From milanofabio at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 00:14:15 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:14:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome and KDE menu modification for groups Message-ID: <35c1344c0602281614w24745c0dn3bec0a7bc80ef109@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Does anybody know how to configure Gnome and KDE Appication menu's so that you can control different configurations for different user groups. thanks From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed Mar 1 00:27:32 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:27:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome and KDE menu modification for groups In-Reply-To: <35c1344c0602281614w24745c0dn3bec0a7bc80ef109@mail.gmail.com> References: <35c1344c0602281614w24745c0dn3bec0a7bc80ef109@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4404EA74.20800@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Fabio Milano wrote: > Hi, > > Does anybody know how to configure Gnome and KDE Appication menu's so > that you can control different configurations for different user > groups. > > thanks > > ____ KioskTool. It't KDE-specific, but is very mature and has been a relied-upon tool for me for a few years now. You can use it to modify a whole lot more than just menus, also. I hear a rumor that Gnome is getting going with something similar, but haven't seen much about it. Cheers, Mike From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Wed Mar 1 00:32:00 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:32:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] log viewer Message-ID: <879B1993-0D90-4153-875E-83AFC6A1E9D5@independence.k12.ia.us> Greetings, in my laziness, I'm wondering if their is a gui-based log viewer that is installed by default in ltsp 4.4? It seems to me there used to be a log viewer, but I sure can't find it. If there is not one installed by default, does anyone have any recommendations for one? I'm to lazy to keep manually having to look at /var/log files!! Thanks, Brad From milanofabio at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 01:12:02 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:12:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome and KDE menu modification for groups In-Reply-To: <4404EA74.20800@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <35c1344c0602281614w24745c0dn3bec0a7bc80ef109@mail.gmail.com> <4404EA74.20800@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <35c1344c0602281712u10f3ff17h96df45097e4dca95@mail.gmail.com> thanks Mike, This looks perfect! You have any good How-To sites Thanks, Fabio On 2/28/06, Mike Ely wrote: > Fabio Milano wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Does anybody know how to configure Gnome and KDE Appication menu's so > > that you can control different configurations for different user > > groups. > > > > thanks > > > > ____ > > KioskTool. It't KDE-specific, but is very mature and has been a > relied-upon tool for me for a few years now. You can use it to modify a > whole lot more than just menus, also. > > I hear a rumor that Gnome is getting going with something similar, but > haven't seen much about it. > > Cheers, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Mar 1 02:19:10 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:19:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome and KDE menu modification for groups In-Reply-To: <4404EA74.20800@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <35c1344c0602281614w24745c0dn3bec0a7bc80ef109@mail.gmail.com> <4404EA74.20800@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1141179550.18853.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mike, Gnome has Sabayon (http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/developing.html). We actually use both Sabayon for Gnome and KioskTool for KDE. -Paul On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 16:27 -0800, Mike Ely wrote: > Fabio Milano wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Does anybody know how to configure Gnome and KDE Appication menu's so > > that you can control different configurations for different user > > groups. > > > > thanks > > > > ____ > > KioskTool. It't KDE-specific, but is very mature and has been a > relied-upon tool for me for a few years now. You can use it to modify a > whole lot more than just menus, also. > > I hear a rumor that Gnome is getting going with something similar, but > haven't seen much about it. > > Cheers, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Mar 1 03:09:47 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:09:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OT-BackupPC Errors - fixed Message-ID: <4405107B.2050000@snarlnet.com> > > >On Thu, 2006-23-02 at 10:47 -0800, Carl Keil wrote: > > >>> I thought you all should be reminded, when in doubt reboot. (That was >>> is my Windows troubleshooting mantra. I guess it can apply to Linux too.) >> >> > >I don't concur. I have found that rebooting a Linux server to fix a >problem is usually entertained by those less experienced with Linux >distro administration. > >Anyway, that PIPE error you've been seeing with BackupPC will most >likely rear it's head again: when, I can't say. But, it's almost always >caused by the timeout setting in your main config.pl file being too low. >Change $Conf{ClientTimeout} to a higher value to, say, 72000 (20 hours). > >Check out BackupPC's mailing list. There are many posts there from >people who have experienced the same problem. > >Regards, > >Ranbir > I'll defer to your linux wisdom. I prefaced my comment by saying I was desperate for a solution. You can only take my word that I googled *for days* to no avail before posting my request for help. I will look at the setting you suggest and I thank you for your general troubleshooting advice and the specifics about my case. ck From william at fragakis.com Wed Mar 1 03:21:44 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:21:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <20060228163052.AC5A573703@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060228163052.AC5A573703@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <683f185461117ddd87ef3017d0175fd8@fragakis.com> This is my beef with Renaissance Learning web version- they use Flash for the simplest of tests. Then the browser goes into conniptions if it doesn't properly list the Adobe Reader plugin. The test doesn't do anything special and they use a pdf when they could simply generate print-friendly html. I think, though, the biggest reason to keep to proprietary architectures is the "Wizard of Oz" effect. As long as schools believe that the big wizard is behind the scenes pulling levers, they'll pay big bucks for the testing suites not realizing that the actual diminuitive wizard is using some .net apparatus when php session cookies could do the same thing for a whole lot less money. Or worse, realizing that they could write the stuff themselves. I suspect that within 5-10 yrs, we'll see OSS alternatives to much of this in the way that Wikipedia has overwhelmed Britannica. regards, William > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > What I don't understand is why we can't use something similar to > Moodle to > deliver tests? Worried about server overload? Assign one server to > "x" > schools.....or schedule the test so everyone isn't taking it at once. > There are a myriad of things that could be done in that manner. PHP, > Perl, MySQL....have any of these testing folks ever heard of this > stuff? > !!! (Can anyone tell I'm pissed?) > > *Stepping off soapbox* > > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 1 03:21:54 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:21:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <54122.72.36.4.216.1141159997.squirrel@webx1.neonova.net> References: <200602281630.k1SGUhHJ018899@mx1.redhat.com> <34944.65.199.96.2.1141153163.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <54122.72.36.4.216.1141159997.squirrel@webx1.neonova.net> Message-ID: <48211.70.196.45.73.1141183314.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Tue, February 28, 2006 3:53 pm, Ken Grant wrote: > Jim: > > Do the browsers cache all content and temp files in the user's home > directory? Yes, by default they do. For large installations, I prefer to set their cache size to zero, and then use a squid proxy to do the caching for me. Then, everybody benefits. Jim. > > Ken > >> On Tue, February 28, 2006 12:04 pm, Steve Hargadon wrote: >>> I'm talking to Harcourt about using a customized locked-down Firefox >>> LiveCD >>> as an option for administering their tests. >> >> How would that work for the thin clients? >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >>> >>> If anyone has contacts at any other testing firms I will contact them >>> with the same proposal. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> -- >>> Steve Hargadon >>> steve at hargadon.com >>> 916-899-1400 direct >>> >>> www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) >>> www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) >>> www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) >>> www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) >>> www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer >>> Reuse) www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software >>> in Schools) _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kevin at twofoos.com Wed Mar 1 03:28:21 2006 From: kevin at twofoos.com (Kevin) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:28:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Login/Startup Scripts in IceWM In-Reply-To: <20060228170045.EA78B73727@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060228170045.EA78B73727@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <440514D5.2060006@twofoos.com> Greetings all. I am having a spot of trouble as the subject indicates. I would like to have a script run for a particular user at login. I have no dificulties doing so until I make IceWM the desktop manager. My setup is the current release of k12ltsp, local user accounts, and autologin based on MAC using KDE. I can get the script to run as any user except when under IceWM (by placing a copy inside ~/.kde/Autorun). The IceWM documentation indicates that the creation of a "startup" script file is the proper way of doing what I want. I have placed said file in all of the different directories that IceWM searches to no avail. The file is properly formatted, owned, and permissioned. I have used instances of IceWM with ~/.icewm/, /usr/share/icewm, and whatever the other directory is. I came across some documentation about putting a call to a script in initrc but this got me nowhere as well. I'm hoping someone can guide me, beer's on me for any that can =) ============== Kevin Lisowski Technology Dept. Bethel School District #403 253.683.6983 klisowski at bethelsd.org From robark at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 04:11:55 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:11:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Login/Startup Scripts in IceWM In-Reply-To: <440514D5.2060006@twofoos.com> References: <20060228170045.EA78B73727@hormel.redhat.com> <440514D5.2060006@twofoos.com> Message-ID: On 2/28/06, Kevin wrote: > Greetings all. I am having a spot of trouble as the subject indicates. > I would like to have a script run for a particular user at login. I > have no dificulties doing so until I make IceWM the desktop manager. > Try putting it in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM For a particular user if [ $UID -eq userid ];then exec /pathtoyourscript/script fi of course put your own userid (ex. 525) and your scipt path -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 04:17:31 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:17:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome and KDE menu modification for groups In-Reply-To: <1141179550.18853.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <35c1344c0602281614w24745c0dn3bec0a7bc80ef109@mail.gmail.com> <4404EA74.20800@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1141179550.18853.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 2/28/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > Mike, > > Gnome has Sabayon > (http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/developing.html). We actually use > both Sabayon for Gnome and KioskTool for KDE. Unfortunately, from what I've read Sabayon does not work with anything older than FC4. Anyone get Sabayon to work with Centos 4 based k12ltsp (4.2.xEL) ? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Mar 1 07:12:06 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:12:06 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB and printing problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44054946.7040204@orcon.net.nz> Everything is on the same subnet / network There are no routers or firewalls between them. I can ping by ip address. Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Are all the computers that you want to reach are all in the same > broadcast network? > Are there any routers or firewalls setup between them? > The fact that you cannot ping them by name may only be a name > resolution problem, can you ping them by IP? > > > > >>> krsnendu at orcon.net.nz 2006-02-27 21:30:44 >>> > I am having problems printing to printers attached to windows computers > on the network. > > Behind this problem seems to be some SMB inconsistencies. > When I go to Nautilus or Konqueror I can correctly browse all the > computers and shares in the workgroup. > But when I type findsmb from the command line I can only see k12ltsp, > office and one teacher's laptop is shown 4 times. > It shows twice for each ip address (wireless and wired). My laptop is > not shown and one other teachers laptop is not shown although they show > fine in nautilus. > When I go to set up a printer using printconfig-gui I try to browse for > my laptop but it is not shown. Only the ones shown by findsmb are > listed. I tried entering the share info directly by that didn't work > either. > I can ping my computer because I have listed it in etc/hosts > I cannot ping any other computers by name even though they are listed > under findsmb. > > When I type smbstatus my computer is listed but it says $IPC whereas the > other computers say School Int before it. I am not sure if that is > relevant or not. > > Hope someone can point me in the right direction to try to work this out. > > I am using K12ltsp 4.2.1 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From asanchez at qindel.es Wed Mar 1 11:55:35 2006 From: asanchez at qindel.es (Alejandro Sanchez Acosta) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:55:35 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Persistence caching with rdesktop Message-ID: <1141214136.18177.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, Here implementing LTSP in an office the rdesktop sessions with Terminal Server are so slow. I'm trying to use persistence caching (-P) but the version is so old (1.3.1). Is there a newer LTSP version with K12LTSP? Anyway using the latest version in another clients, the rdesktop sessions are still slow, but it enhances a little the windows refresh. Testing the RDP client in Windows works fine, so I dont understand where can be the problem. I'm installing LTSP in the office and first the users need windows (with open source applications) to start the migration in a future to the Linux session. I need also benchmarks trying differences between using VNC/FreeNX and the X protocol. VNC connection to the server is faster, but there is a bottleneck when you try from a X environment in the thin clients. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Best regards, Alejandro. From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Mar 1 12:40:44 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:40:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] smoothwall revisited Message-ID: <51921.70.33.151.214.1141216844.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Having banged my noggin for a week or is it a month..thought id holler for help..Ive bastardized a smoothwall2 install to support ldap authentication,tweaked the denied page to add a bypass link and linked that to a simople cgi script that prompts for username and pw..and can manipulate the values given..The misssing piece is injecting that into dansguardian s check for bypass ability..Anyone autopsied dansguardian to the point they can access this function.. BAsic requirements...transparent proxy..one filter group..bypass ability.. Any ideas..comments..insults..ramblings..even answers appreciated..chuck From bramkamp at team-datentechnik.de Wed Mar 1 12:48:23 2006 From: bramkamp at team-datentechnik.de (Daniel Bramkamp) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:48:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - NFS/CIFS In-Reply-To: <4402E47C.8080504@msad3.org> References: <20060225210901.w8bxk7by0w0sgo00@teamdat.dyndns.org> <4402E47C.8080504@msad3.org> Message-ID: <20060301134823.pv2g3939wk4sskg0@linux-smb.team-gmh.local> Quoting Mark Gumprecht : > One problem I had was with having spanning tree enabled on my managed > switches. If you have spanning tree enabled, shut it off on the runs > to your server. This will kill the 45 to 60 second reconnect time > that the switch uses to determine if there is a loop on that line. > The wiring in the building was not installed by any standard. I have > legs of the network which will drop for a second or so and come back > on line. Run lengths, refrigerators, florencent lights, etc. all add > to the issue of noise. I pulled fiber between the mdf and idfs ( I > use those terms very loosly for this network), to cure the 500' + > issues, so I only had to turn it off for the copper drop runs. > HTH > Mark Thanks for the suggestion. I think I finally found the problem. Some users log in as "User" instead of "user". This seems to work because the LDAP uid attribute is case insensitive while the memberUid attribute is case sensitive (which is stupid if you ask me). "id User" returns different results for group membership than "id user" does when executed as root. When I log in as "user" at the console and do "id User" the membership is correct. When I log in via GDM the membership is wrong again. This is very weird and I am not quite sure why the problem only happens ocassionally. I instructed the users to login as "user". Furthermore there is a PAM module available which only accepts lower case usernames. I will monitor this for a while. Your suggestion regarding the switches might be the reason for some other oddities am experiencing there. I do have managed switches and spanning tree is turned on so I am going to turn it off and see if it cures that. Thanks again. -- Daniel Bramkamp From petre at maltzen.net Wed Mar 1 14:00:21 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:00:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome and KDE menu modification for groups In-Reply-To: <1141179550.18853.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <35c1344c0602281614w24745c0dn3bec0a7bc80ef109@mail.gmail.com> <4404EA74.20800@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1141179550.18853.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4405A8F5.3020407@maltzen.net> Is Sabayon the tool I'd use to turn off the screensaver/keyboard-lock for all users? Petre Paul VanGundy wrote: > Mike, > > Gnome has Sabayon > (http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/developing.html). We actually use > both Sabayon for Gnome and KioskTool for KDE. > > -Paul > > > On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 16:27 -0800, Mike Ely wrote: >> Fabio Milano wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Does anybody know how to configure Gnome and KDE Appication menu's so >>> that you can control different configurations for different user >>> groups. >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> ____ >> KioskTool. It't KDE-specific, but is very mature and has been a >> relied-upon tool for me for a few years now. You can use it to modify a >> whole lot more than just menus, also. >> >> I hear a rumor that Gnome is getting going with something similar, but >> haven't seen much about it. >> >> Cheers, >> Mike >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Wed Mar 1 14:55:37 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:55:37 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20SMB=20=20and=20prin?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ting=20problems?= Message-ID: Hum, I'm not familiar with smbstatus or findsmb, can you access all the share with smbclient? What about the permissions of the shared windows printers, are they accessible to all? >>> krsnendu at orcon.net.nz 2006-03-01 02:12:06 >>> Everything is on the same subnet / network There are no routers or firewalls between them. I can ping by ip address. Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Are all the computers that you want to reach are all in the same > broadcast network? > Are there any routers or firewalls setup between them? > The fact that you cannot ping them by name may only be a name > resolution problem, can you ping them by IP? > > > > >>> krsnendu at orcon.net.nz 2006-02-27 21:30:44 >>> > I am having problems printing to printers attached to windows computers > on the network. > > Behind this problem seems to be some SMB inconsistencies. > When I go to Nautilus or Konqueror I can correctly browse all the > computers and shares in the workgroup. > But when I type findsmb from the command line I can only see k12ltsp, > office and one teacher's laptop is shown 4 times. > It shows twice for each ip address (wireless and wired). My laptop is > not shown and one other teachers laptop is not shown although they show > fine in nautilus. > When I go to set up a printer using printconfig-gui I try to browse for > my laptop but it is not shown. Only the ones shown by findsmb are > listed. I tried entering the share info directly by that didn't work > either. > I can ping my computer because I have listed it in etc/hosts > I cannot ping any other computers by name even though they are listed > under findsmb. > > When I type smbstatus my computer is listed but it says $IPC whereas the > other computers say School Int before it. I am not sure if that is > relevant or not. > > Hope someone can point me in the right direction to try to work this out. > > I am using K12ltsp 4.2.1 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Mar 1 15:05:32 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:05:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Persistence caching with rdesktop In-Reply-To: <1141214136.18177.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1141214136.18177.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: LTSP 1.31? If that's true...boy is that OLD! K12LTSP 4.41 uses LTSP 4.1 I believe. Are you using Gigabit (1000baseT) at the server and the switch? It will make a HUGE difference. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 at 6:55 AM +0000 wrote: >Hi, > > Here implementing LTSP in an office the rdesktop sessions with Terminal >Server are so slow. I'm trying to use persistence caching (-P) but the >version is so old (1.3.1). Is there a newer LTSP version with K12LTSP? >Anyway using the latest version in another clients, the rdesktop >sessions are still slow, but it enhances a little the windows refresh. > > Testing the RDP client in Windows works fine, so I dont understand >where can be the problem. I'm installing LTSP in the office and first >the users need windows (with open source applications) to start the >migration in a future to the Linux session. > > I need also benchmarks trying differences between using VNC/FreeNX and >the X protocol. VNC connection to the server is faster, but there is a >bottleneck when you try from a X environment in the thin clients. > > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > >Best regards, >Alejandro. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Wed Mar 1 15:16:07 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:16:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Persistence caching with rdesktop In-Reply-To: References: <1141214136.18177.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4405BAB7.8060801@maltzen.net> I think he meant rdesktop version 1.3.1. David Trask wrote: > LTSP 1.31? If that's true...boy is that OLD! K12LTSP 4.41 uses LTSP 4.1 > I believe. Are you using Gigabit (1000baseT) at the server and the > switch? It will make a HUGE difference. > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, March 01, 2006 at 6:55 AM +0000 wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Here implementing LTSP in an office the rdesktop sessions with Terminal >> Server are so slow. I'm trying to use persistence caching (-P) but the >> version is so old (1.3.1). Is there a newer LTSP version with K12LTSP? >> Anyway using the latest version in another clients, the rdesktop >> sessions are still slow, but it enhances a little the windows refresh. >> >> Testing the RDP client in Windows works fine, so I dont understand >> where can be the problem. I'm installing LTSP in the office and first >> the users need windows (with open source applications) to start the >> migration in a future to the Linux session. >> >> I need also benchmarks trying differences between using VNC/FreeNX and >> the X protocol. VNC connection to the server is faster, but there is a >> bottleneck when you try from a X environment in the thin clients. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. >> >> Best regards, >> Alejandro. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Mar 1 15:28:22 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:28:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Persistence caching with rdesktop In-Reply-To: <4405BAB7.8060801@maltzen.net> References: <1141214136.18177.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <4405BAB7.8060801@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 at 10:16 AM +0000 wrote: >I think he meant rdesktop version 1.3.1. ahhhhh....got it David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dale.quigg at aspentech.com Wed Mar 1 17:15:10 2006 From: dale.quigg at aspentech.com (Quigg, Dale) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:15:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smoothwall revisited Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:40:44 -0500 (EST) > From: cliebow at midmaine.com > Subject: [K12OSN] smoothwall revisited > > Having banged my noggin for a week or is it a month..thought id > holler for help..Ive bastardized a smoothwall2 install to support > ldap authentication,tweaked the denied page to add a bypass link > and linked that to a simople cgi script that prompts for username > and pw..and can manipulate the values given..The misssing piece > is injecting that into dansguardian s check for bypass ability.. > Anyone autopsied dansguardian to the point they can access this > function.. > BAsic requirements...transparent proxy..one filter group.. > bypass ability.. > Any ideas..comments..insults..ramblings..even answers appreciated Hi Chuck, This is likely not much help, but is there a reason you are not using the built in dansguardianf1.conf settings Bypass = Bypasskey = HTH, Dale From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Mar 1 18:55:44 2006 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:55:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB and printing problems In-Reply-To: <20060301170047.EE1DF731F3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060301170047.EE1DF731F3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1141239344.25387.7.camel@phoenix.hhp> Are these Windows XP/2000 machines? If so, you have to authenticate as some user in order to view any shares on the machine (the printer wizard may be pruning systems that it cannot list printer shares, which would be the XP based systems). I've had to manually add the shares for XP/2000 machines to K12LTSP... it required a username/password combination. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 12:00 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:12:06 +1300 > From: Krsnendu Dasa > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SMB and printing problems > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <44054946.7040204 at orcon.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Everything is on the same subnet / network > There are no routers or firewalls between them. > I can ping by ip address. > > Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > > > Are all the computers that you want to reach are all in the same > > broadcast network? > > Are there any routers or firewalls setup between them? > > The fact that you cannot ping them by name may only be a name > > resolution problem, can you ping them by IP? > > > > > > > > >>> krsnendu at orcon.net.nz 2006-02-27 21:30:44 >>> > > I am having problems printing to printers attached to windows > computers > > on the network. > > > > Behind this problem seems to be some SMB inconsistencies. > > When I go to Nautilus or Konqueror I can correctly browse all the > > computers and shares in the workgroup. > > But when I type findsmb from the command line I can only see > k12ltsp, > > office and one teacher's laptop is shown 4 times. > > It shows twice for each ip address (wireless and wired). My laptop > is > > not shown and one other teachers laptop is not shown although they > show > > fine in nautilus. > > When I go to set up a printer using printconfig-gui I try to browse > for > > my laptop but it is not shown. Only the ones shown by findsmb are > > listed. I tried entering the share info directly by that didn't > work > > either. > > I can ping my computer because I have listed it in etc/hosts > > I cannot ping any other computers by name even though they are > listed > > under findsmb. > > > > When I type smbstatus my computer is listed but it says $IPC whereas > the > > other computers say School Int before it. 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Message-ID: Is anyone running vsftpd for students to access their files from their homes (ie. residences) ? Wondering how much of a security risk this is? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 12:15:40 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:15:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] log viewer In-Reply-To: <879B1993-0D90-4153-875E-83AFC6A1E9D5@independence.k12.ia.us> References: <879B1993-0D90-4153-875E-83AFC6A1E9D5@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603020415h3c68f539qa8c6be0a126045e2@mail.gmail.com> Yep, you should be able to use 'system-logviewer' on a side note I've been using Splunk lately and I really like it. www.splunk.com On 2/28/06, Brad Johnson wrote: > > Greetings, > > in my laziness, I'm wondering if their is a gui-based log viewer that > is installed by default in ltsp 4.4? It seems to me there used to be > a log viewer, but I sure can't find it. If there is not one > installed by default, does anyone have any recommendations for one? > I'm to lazy to keep manually having to look at /var/log files!! > > Thanks, > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 12:27:54 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:27:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603020427u2b6f8d03wb8fb50a56babbeaf@mail.gmail.com> FTP is a security risk due to the fact that the username and password are transmitted in clear text as well as all the data sent. To avoid this just use SSH. SSH encrypts everthing. For windows clients to connect have students use WinSCP. There are also OSX gui clients for SSH transfers as well. SSH is installed by default. There should be nothing to install or configure. When users log int they will be taken to thier home directory. Jack On 3/2/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Is anyone running vsftpd for students to access their files from their > homes (ie. residences) ? > > Wondering how much of a security risk this is? > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From petre at maltzen.net Thu Mar 2 14:36:09 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:36:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit vs 100Mbit improvement for LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440702D9.4030806@maltzen.net> While it depends on the apps you're running--tuxtype has been shown to consume about 73Mb of network bandwidth, but I think that's the except rather than the rule--the consensus is that the ideal configuration would be to have a gigabit card in the server connected to a gig port in the switch, and have the clients connect at 100Mb which is plenty for them. OTOH, I'm a bit surprised to hear of problems with only five or six terminals, assuming you're using a switch with 100Mb ports. Petre light being wrote: > I have a network with only six five terminals, but it seems that already > the video performance has a bottleneck somewhere... perhaps the 100Mbit/s > > Has anyone seen there to be a marked improvement on switching to > 1000Mbit/s ??? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Thu Mar 2 14:54:13 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:54:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] log viewer In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0603020415h3c68f539qa8c6be0a126045e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <879B1993-0D90-4153-875E-83AFC6A1E9D5@independence.k12.ia.us> <81e6a9bf0603020415h3c68f539qa8c6be0a126045e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ok, guys, I'm feeling really silly, but I don't have system-logviewer installed, although I have the icons for it. Further, when I try to yum install system-logviewer, I get no results. Can somebody point me in the right direction for installing this? Thanks so much, Brad On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:15 AM, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > Yep, you should be able to use 'system-logviewer' > > on a side note I've been using Splunk lately and I really like it. > www.splunk.com > > On 2/28/06, Brad Johnson < bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us> > wrote:Greetings, > > in my laziness, I'm wondering if their is a gui-based log viewer that > is installed by default in ltsp 4.4? It seems to me there used to be > a log viewer, but I sure can't find it. If there is not one > installed by default, does anyone have any recommendations for one? > I'm to lazy to keep manually having to look at /var/log files!! > > Thanks, > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Thu Mar 2 15:43:56 2006 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:43:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] memory leak in Centos 4.1 Message-ID: I've posted this message before and one of you was kind enough to reply. We have a K12LTSP server running Centos 4.1 EL, the kernel is 2.6.9-11.ELsmp, over a four to five week period of time all the memory gets "eaten up" and we have to reboot. 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Wouldn't run without one. -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 16:17:23 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:17:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit vs 100Mbit improvement for LTSP In-Reply-To: <44071A8A.7030505@chelseaeagles.org> References: <44071A8A.7030505@chelseaeagles.org> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603020817g1774c5dk4f1024de9fd8a820@mail.gmail.com> I agree that putting gig is going to help on the terminals overall but I've seen video performance vary widely across the board depending on the video card used in the terminal. I've found older pci ATI cards work pretty well. I'd take a look at the video subsystem also. You will get improved performance on the terminals by using gig but you might just end up masking the 'real' problem. Eventually it will rear its head again someday. Jack On 3/2/06, Mark Goodridge wrote: > > light being wrote: > > I have a network with only six five terminals, but it seems that already > > the video performance has a bottleneck somewhere... perhaps the > 100Mbit/s > > > > Has anyone seen there to be a marked improvement on switching to > > 1000Mbit/s ??? > > Absolutely. I put a gigabit switch between my server and four thin > clients and the improvement was very significant. Wouldn't run without > one. > > -- > Mark Goodridge > The Computer Guy > Chelsea Elementary School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 16:58:17 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:58:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0603020427u2b6f8d03wb8fb50a56babbeaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <81e6a9bf0603020427u2b6f8d03wb8fb50a56babbeaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/2/06, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > FTP is a security risk due to the fact that the username and password are > transmitted in clear text as well as all the data sent. To avoid this just > use SSH. SSH encrypts everthing. For windows clients to connect have > students use WinSCP. There are also OSX gui clients for SSH transfers as > well. SSH is installed by default. There should be nothing to install or > configure. When users log int they will be taken to thier home directory. Yes I really like WinSCP. However, I'm hesitant to allow ssh access as this also provides the ability to run programs on the server. Kids could use Putty or MSYS. I just want to allow students to download/upload files. I know ftp passwords are not secure but I don't think this would really be a huge issue. I'm curious if anybody has done this? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Mar 2 17:11:05 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:11:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44072729.5070706@inlandlakes.org> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Is anyone running vsftpd for students to access their files from their > homes (ie. residences) ? Yes, I do. It's probably a big risk, but it is outweighed by the benefit (for me). I also provide "webftp" so that they can upload/download files via a webpage as well. (FTP was too complicated for many of our staff members... don't get me started...) I actually *did* have problems with SSH access to the outside, because many kids had guessable passwords. I had a few accounts compromised, and was running some zombie apps due to the SSH access. It was a wonderful day. (note heavy sarcasm) I've liked FTP access a lot. It also allows external updating of web pages much easier too. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu Mar 2 17:21:26 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:21:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: <44072729.5070706@inlandlakes.org> References: <44072729.5070706@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <44072996.8090007@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > I also provide "webftp" so that they can upload/download files via a > webpage as well. (FTP was too complicated for many of our staff > members... don't get me started...) > > I actually *did* have problems with SSH access to the outside, because > many kids had guessable passwords. I had a few accounts compromised, > and was running some zombie apps due to the SSH access. It was a > wonderful day. (note heavy sarcasm) > Agreed. Sometimes it's better to set something like WebDAV up or simple .htaccess auth than to go whole hog - all my normal user accounts have their shell variable set to /bin/false, for just the reason Shawn expresses above. Giving the kids shell access is a short trip to hell IMO. I'd personally avoid FTP for the same reason as ssh - a shell's a shell. Cheers, MIke From chan at sacredsf.org Thu Mar 2 18:12:44 2006 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:12:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0603020427u2b6f8d03wb8fb50a56babbeaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <81e6a9bf0603020427u2b6f8d03wb8fb50a56babbeaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4407359C.6050803@sacredsf.org> re: using SSH for file transfers A couple of questions. First, are there any good, hopefully free or Open Source, GUI clients for Mac OSX? Second, in general, what's a good way to set up something like a chroot jail for these SSH users? I don't want people to wander around the file system. -- -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu Mar 2 18:29:40 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:29:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: <4407359C.6050803@sacredsf.org> References: <81e6a9bf0603020427u2b6f8d03wb8fb50a56babbeaf@mail.gmail.com> <4407359C.6050803@sacredsf.org> Message-ID: <44073994.1090206@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Hoover Chan wrote: > re: using SSH for file transfers > > A couple of questions. First, are there any good, hopefully free or Open > Source, GUI clients for Mac OSX? Yes, I use one called FuGu, works pretty well: http://rsug.itd.umich.edu/software/fugu/ > > Second, in general, what's a good way to set up something like a chroot > jail for these SSH users? I don't want people to wander around the file > system. That's fairly distribution-dependant. Also, you want to be sure that you have a clear understanding of what you're going to give people access to in terms of what's on that server. Anytime you give shell access to users, there's the chance of their accounts being misused - the unix shell is a powerful tool, even in a very limited chroot environment. I'd recommend against it. Nonetheless, if you are set that this is what you want to do, I'm sure we could help you with more information - such as which distribution you're using. Cheers, Mike From JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us Thu Mar 2 18:52:43 2006 From: JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us (Jeffrey Myers) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:52:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] GDM.conf Timed Login and setting up mulitple users Message-ID: <1249B1B01D2A444490F78C240418EA5401578C75@dcedcf05.dccentral> _____ _____ From: Jeffrey Myers [mailto:JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:39 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] GDM.conf Timed Login and setting up mulitple users Is there a way to edit the GDM.conf to specify multiple timed user login's? I have seen the documentation out there for KDM. Under the Auto Login with KDM, you specify the host and Auto Login. [X-ws004:0-Core] AutoLoginEnable=true AutoLogin=username Can you do this with the GDM.conf for timed login? I am trying to configure 3 different users with different profiles. I have edited the dhcpd.conf file to specify a static address to a specific MAC. That works great, but I just cant figure out how to edit the GDM.conf file. Thanks for your help group. JEFFREY M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 19:57:50 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:57:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting directory or chrooting for sftp users? Message-ID: <2be970b50603021157r787234a5t25f6fd1400ad8a9e@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, We we're working on a LAMP based web server. We have several teachers who maintain their own webpages. I am looking for a way to have them login via SFTP but show up in their web directory rather than in /home. Is their a place in ssh_config or their bash profile that I can control their starting directory. Would it be difficult to chroot them into /var/www/html/their_directory? Your sage advice would be very much appreciated. John From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Thu Mar 2 20:17:06 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:17:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting directory or chrooting for sftp users? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603021157r787234a5t25f6fd1400ad8a9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603021157r787234a5t25f6fd1400ad8a9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603021517.06536.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Thursday March 02 2006 2:57 pm, john wrote: > Hi all, > > We we're working on a LAMP based web server. We have several teachers > who maintain their own webpages. I am looking for a way to have them > login via SFTP but show up in their web directory rather than in > /home. > > Is their a place in ssh_config or their bash profile that I can > control their starting directory. Would it be difficult to chroot them > into /var/www/html/their_directory? > > Your sage advice would be very much appreciated. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see There are chroot patches for OpenSSH. rssh also support chroot. Finally, there are apps like jail, pam_chroot, and chrootjail. HTH. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 21:19:10 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:19:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: <44072996.8090007@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <44072729.5070706@inlandlakes.org> <44072996.8090007@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 3/2/06, Mike Ely wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > > I also provide "webftp" so that they can upload/download files via a > > webpage as well. (FTP was too complicated for many of our staff > > members... don't get me started...) > > > > I actually *did* have problems with SSH access to the outside, because > > many kids had guessable passwords. I had a few accounts compromised, > > and was running some zombie apps due to the SSH access. It was a > > wonderful day. (note heavy sarcasm) > > > > Agreed. Sometimes it's better to set something like WebDAV up or simple > .htaccess auth than to go whole hog - all my normal user accounts have > their shell variable set to /bin/false, for just the reason Shawn > expresses above. Giving the kids shell access is a short trip to hell IMO. > > I'd personally avoid FTP for the same reason as ssh - a shell's a shell. I didn't know FTP was a shell. I just looked closely at the menu of gftp and I noticed Remote-> "Send SITE command" Never used this. I'm assuming you can use this to execute stuff. Hmm. I thought that FTP was only a risk due to someone sniffing a password and (worse case scenario) deleting all the files of another student. I did not think there could be any danger to the OS. But if you can execute stuff then you could upload and execute a fork bomb or a memory hog of some kind. Why do they call it *very secure* FTP. There must be a way to make it more secure. My ISP gives all it's customers FTP access. SSH is out because you can't use SCP without a shell. And I too think a shell is too powerful for some external hacker. So that leaves the other suggestions of WebDAV and .htaccess. I have no experience with either. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From lighthumor at hotmail.com Thu Mar 2 20:55:26 2006 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:55:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit vs 100Mbit improvement for LTSP In-Reply-To: <440702D9.4030806@maltzen.net> Message-ID: We have no real problems with the responsiveness of the terminals, at 100Mbit - but I would like to improve it, make it as similar to a real workstation as possible. As its a cybercafe, most everyone uses Firefox and Gaim or AMSN. They are customers - they pay, and could go elsewhere if they don't like it for whatever reason. Flash and Java on some pages is slow. Any webpage with video or animation. I would like to allow the occasional simple game, also, but that would quickly kill the bandwidth. But as we're in brazil and everything costs 3x as much, NXserver is more within our actual realm of possibilities it seems. . >From: Petre Scheie >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] gigabit vs 100Mbit improvement for LTSP >While it depends on the apps you're running--tuxtype has been shown to >consume about 73Mb of network bandwidth, but I think that's the except >rather than the rule--the consensus is that the ideal configuration would >be to have a gigabit card in the server connected to a gig port in the >switch, and have the clients connect at 100Mb which is plenty for them. >OTOH, I'm a bit surprised to hear of problems with only five or six >terminals, assuming you're using a switch with 100Mb ports. > >Petre > >light being wrote: >>I have a network with only six five terminals, but it seems that already >>the video performance has a bottleneck somewhere... perhaps the 100Mbit/s From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 2 21:54:42 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:54:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: References: <44072729.5070706@inlandlakes.org> <44072996.8090007@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <440769A2.4000307@mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I didn't know FTP was a shell. I just looked closely at the menu of > gftp and I noticed Remote-> "Send SITE command" > Never used this. I'm assuming you can use this to execute stuff. SITE is the prefix to run commands specific to a given FTP server's implementation, not to run arbitrary shell commands. Local users can SITE CHMOD to make files executable, but I'm not sure that they could actually execute them on their own w/o a shell, barring the use of SITE EXEC, which I don't think vsftpd supports (wu-ftpd does). FWIW, SITE can be disabled in vsftpd.conf. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 22:01:43 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:01:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting directory or chrooting for sftp users? In-Reply-To: <200603021517.06536.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <2be970b50603021157r787234a5t25f6fd1400ad8a9e@mail.gmail.com> <200603021517.06536.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603021401x78e0e680w9ff0f72c2cf3c261@mail.gmail.com> Why not just serve the users own web pages out of thier home directories? You just need to turn this switch on in the Apache config. On 3/2/06, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > On Thursday March 02 2006 2:57 pm, john wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > We we're working on a LAMP based web server. We have several teachersy > > who maintain their own webpages. I am looking for a way to have them > > login via SFTP but show up in their web directory rather than in > > /home. > > > > Is their a place in ssh_config or their bash profile that I can > > control their starting directory. Would it be difficult to chroot them > > into /var/www/html/their_directory? > > > > Your sage advice would be very much appreciated. > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > There are chroot patches for OpenSSH. rssh also support chroot. 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You will notice a considerable difference with gigabit David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Mar 2 22:05:45 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:05:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit vs 100Mbit improvement for LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, March 2, 2006 at 3:55 PM +0000 wrote: >We have no real problems with the responsiveness of the terminals, at >100Mbit - but I would like to improve it, make it as similar to a real >workstation as possible. > >As its a cybercafe, most everyone uses Firefox and Gaim or AMSN. They >are >customers - they pay, and could go elsewhere if they don't like it for >whatever reason. > >Flash and Java on some pages is slow. Any webpage with video or >animation. >I would like to allow the occasional simple game, also, but that would >quickly kill the bandwidth. > >But as we're in brazil and everything costs 3x as much, NXserver is more >within our actual realm of possibilities it seems. . You will notice a considerable difference with gigabit David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 22:07:21 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:07:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit vs 100Mbit improvement for LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <440702D9.4030806@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603021407p5049e36dm1f2c1386d62b65ff@mail.gmail.com> I think your problem might be the java games eating up your cpu. In the lab setup I ran the cpu was almost 100 all the time when kids were online playing games. Usually java was the culprit. The computer teacher (a windows guy) was absolutely amazed that the system was able to take the pounding it did and not go down. I think I converted him from the dark side that year. :) On 3/2/06, light being wrote: > > We have no real problems with the responsiveness of the terminals, at > 100Mbit - but I would like to improve it, make it as similar to a real > workstation as possible. > > As its a cybercafe, most everyone uses Firefox and Gaim or AMSN. They are > customers - they pay, and could go elsewhere if they don't like it for > whatever reason. > > Flash and Java on some pages is slow. 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URL: From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 22:30:22 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:30:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: <440769A2.4000307@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44072729.5070706@inlandlakes.org> <44072996.8090007@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <440769A2.4000307@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 3/2/06, Dan Young wrote: > > SITE is the prefix to run commands specific to a given FTP server's > implementation, not to run arbitrary shell commands. > > Local users can SITE CHMOD to make files executable, but I'm not sure > that they could actually execute them on their own w/o a shell, barring > the use of SITE EXEC, which I don't think vsftpd supports (wu-ftpd does). > > FWIW, SITE can be disabled in vsftpd.conf. So, if a user if jailed to their home then the worst security breach FTP will allow is someone stealing another persons password. Deleting or stealing files of another. Okay what about FTPS (SSL FTP)? Will SFTP (ssh ftp) work if you disable users shells (eg /bin/false) ? I know SCP needs a shell. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 2 22:50:52 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:50:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting directory or chrooting for sftp users? In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0603021401x78e0e680w9ff0f72c2cf3c261@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603021157r787234a5t25f6fd1400ad8a9e@mail.gmail.com> <200603021517.06536.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <81e6a9bf0603021401x78e0e680w9ff0f72c2cf3c261@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141339852.22335.78.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 16:01, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > Why not just serve the users own web pages out of thier home > directories? You just need to turn this switch on in the Apache > config. Or if you don't like the ~user syntax in the URLs you can just put symlinks in the main web site pointing to user's home directories or appropriate subdirectories. This is easy to set up but you do have to be careful about things that should stay on the web site after a particular user is gone. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 2 22:55:21 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:55:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: References: <44072729.5070706@inlandlakes.org> <44072996.8090007@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <440769A2.4000307@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1141340121.22335.83.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 16:30, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > So, if a user if jailed to their home then the worst security breach > FTP will allow is someone stealing another persons password. Deleting > or stealing files of another. Or putting trojan executables in the directories which the real user may run later. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 23:12:56 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:12:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060302231256.95240.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Robert Arkiletian wrote: > SSH is out because you can't use SCP without a > shell. And I too think > a shell is too powerful for some external hacker. > There is a shell called scponly http://www.sublimation.org/scponly/ I've never used it, but it's supposed to address the need for a very basic shell for using scp, without giving too many other features that could be used for evil... -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 23:22:47 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:22:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: <20060302231256.95240.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060302231256.95240.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 3/2/06, Rob Owens wrote: > There is a shell called scponly > http://www.sublimation.org/scponly/ > I've never used it, but it's supposed to address the > need for a very basic shell for using scp, without > giving too many other features that could be used for > evil... Nice. scponly looks promising. Thanks for the link. :) I'll try it out. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 23:27:02 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:27:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] SMB and printing problems In-Reply-To: <44054946.7040204@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <20060302232702.76084.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In fstab, are you specifying the filesystem type as smbfs or as cifs? I ran into problems on newer versions of windows where I needed to use cifs in order to see fileshares. Hmm, I just realized that there's no place to specify cifs for a printer... But I think the problem could be related. Newer versions of Windows (or maybe it depends on the settings) require you to authenticate as a user *before* it lets you browse shares and printers. If I remember correctly, I had to enter my info like this in Ubuntu's printer gui: host: MyWindowsDomain printer: user.password at server/PrinterName username, password: (I can't remember if I left these blank or entered the proper information) Hope this gives you some clues. -Rob > > >>> krsnendu at orcon.net.nz 2006-02-27 21:30:44 >>> > > I am having problems printing to printers attached > to windows computers > > on the network. > > > > Behind this problem seems to be some SMB > inconsistencies. > > When I go to Nautilus or Konqueror I can correctly > browse all the > > computers and shares in the workgroup. > > But when I type findsmb from the command line I > can only see k12ltsp, > > office and one teacher's laptop is shown 4 times. > > It shows twice for each ip address (wireless and > wired). My laptop is > > not shown and one other teachers laptop is not > shown although they show > > fine in nautilus. > > When I go to set up a printer using > printconfig-gui I try to browse for > > my laptop but it is not shown. Only the ones shown > by findsmb are > > listed. I tried entering the share info directly > by that didn't work > > either. > > I can ping my computer because I have listed it in > etc/hosts > > I cannot ping any other computers by name even > though they are listed > > under findsmb. > > > > When I type smbstatus my computer is listed but it > says $IPC whereas the > > other computers say School Int before it. I am not > sure if that is > > relevant or not. > > > > Hope someone can point me in the right direction > to try to work this out. > > > > I am using K12ltsp 4.2.1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Mar 3 00:04:44 2006 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:04:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4407881C.1010807@stmarys-school.org> Ya know, this is something I have wanted to do for too long now. I never quite make the time or have found just the right way to go about it. I looked real hard at all the php groupware offerings a few times and came real close to deploying a couple of times but I was never quite comfortable with the idea. The last time I was looking into it someone suggested using squirrel mail with its file manager plugin. http://www.squirrelmail.org/plugin_view.php?id=120 One advantage is the interface is somewhat familiar to most users. Set up a separate squirrel mail server that is self contained (only allow sending mail with in the local machine) migrate the account names, use generic password and let the students change it to something other than their real password. John Robert Arkiletian wrote: >Is anyone running vsftpd for students to access their files from their >homes (ie. residences) ? > >Wondering how much of a security risk this is? >-- >Robert Arkiletian >C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 01:02:29 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 06:32:29 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] memory leak in Centos 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20603021702ld6c6c0fv@mail.gmail.com> On 02/03/06, DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > > I've posted this message before and one of you was kind enough to reply. We > have a K12LTSP server running Centos 4.1 EL, the kernel is 2.6.9-11.ELsmp, > over a four to five week period of time all the memory gets "eaten up" and > we have to reboot. Is there a new kernel or kernel patch which will take > care of this? Not certain that this is what you are looking for but.... I am not right now on k12 machine but there is a PURGE setting in /etc/defaults/k12??? that needs to be set to YES. When a user logs off all his processes are pruged freeing up resources. With that set we were able to run for 90+ days till a power outage killed us. Or you can run a script to kill all user processes at midnight when no one is about. Look up archives for such a script. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From william at fragakis.com Fri Mar 3 12:40:32 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 07:40:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: <20060302170046.A5DFE73288@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060302170046.A5DFE73288@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <6818089026f42df42e47dec9329bde73@fragakis.com> I'm interested in this as well as we are about to at least give local access the same way to files. btw, Robert, I set up a launcher with the command konqueror sftp://192.168.address.offileserver and pushed it to the desktops. this gives them an easy interface where they just have to enter their username and password to log in. we use generic logins in the classrooms or it'd drive everyone nuts logging off and on - we are in a k-5 environment. this is a lot easier than using the nautilus "connect to server" because it correctly prompts for a secure log in vs. anonymous ie avoiding the pull down menu. That wouldn't be hard to do with older kids but I don't want to have to explain that to a 9 yr old. regards, William On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:00 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:52:26 -0800 > From: "Robert Arkiletian" > Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Is anyone running vsftpd for students to access their files from their > homes (ie. residences) ? > > Wondering how much of a security risk this is? > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 3 14:14:53 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:14:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] automatic logout after inactivity time Message-ID: <44084F5D.9030403@maltzen.net> Is there a way to have terminals automatically logoff after a certain amount of inactivity time? Digging through the archives, I saw that David Trask and Caleb Wagnon talked about trying to use idled to do this; was that successful? It looks like idled hasn't been updated in about ten years; is there any other way to achieve this? Petre From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Mar 3 14:26:30 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:26:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Registration for Northeast Linux Symposium is READY Message-ID: (if you receive duplicates I apologize as I am working from several lists...and some are older) *Also....please help us tell people! Distribute far and wide....feel free to submit to any mailing list you wish...share with your colleagues! :-) Hi all! Finally Matt and I have worked out all the bugs and the new 2006 registration system is up and running for the 2006 Edition of the Northeast Linux Symposium. One major change is that this year there are TWO symposia....the one at Gould Academy and a new one to be held at UNH (University of New Hampshire). Both will be exciting opportunities to learn more about Linux, Open Source, Open Source in the classroom, and much more! Register for one or the other...OR BOTH :-) Matt and I have worked hard negotiating with both Gould and UNH to keep the price very reasonable and still provide the awesome experience that you've come to expect. Nice rooms, great food (seriously...ask anyone who has attended in the past...the food is incredible), fantastic camaraderie, and a great learning experience. We help to take away the pressure by making the symposium "all-inclusive" (room, meals, and conference are all included in one price) thus helping you to get away from the "real world" and be able to immerse yourself and really enjoy your experience with us. Come alone or even better...bring a team from your school, company, or district. An explanation of the symposia is available on our site www.nelinux.net We are working to finalize the sessions are are currently seeking any ideas you may have as to what you'd like to learn more about. We already have some awesome presenters lined up as well as some special events. So.... Northeast Linux Symposium 2006 (not just about Linux, but Free and Open Source as well!) Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine USA (June 17 - 20) arrive p.m. of 17th University of New Hampshire in Durham, NH USA (July 16th - 19th) arrive p.m. of 16th For more information and to register please visit www.nelinux.net Register early! Hope to see you there! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Mar 3 14:26:30 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:26:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Registration for Northeast Linux Symposium is READY Message-ID: (if you receive duplicates I apologize as I am working from several lists...and some are older) *Also....please help us tell people! Distribute far and wide....feel free to submit to any mailing list you wish...share with your colleagues! :-) Hi all! Finally Matt and I have worked out all the bugs and the new 2006 registration system is up and running for the 2006 Edition of the Northeast Linux Symposium. One major change is that this year there are TWO symposia....the one at Gould Academy and a new one to be held at UNH (University of New Hampshire). Both will be exciting opportunities to learn more about Linux, Open Source, Open Source in the classroom, and much more! Register for one or the other...OR BOTH :-) Matt and I have worked hard negotiating with both Gould and UNH to keep the price very reasonable and still provide the awesome experience that you've come to expect. Nice rooms, great food (seriously...ask anyone who has attended in the past...the food is incredible), fantastic camaraderie, and a great learning experience. We help to take away the pressure by making the symposium "all-inclusive" (room, meals, and conference are all included in one price) thus helping you to get away from the "real world" and be able to immerse yourself and really enjoy your experience with us. Come alone or even better...bring a team from your school, company, or district. An explanation of the symposia is available on our site www.nelinux.net We are working to finalize the sessions are are currently seeking any ideas you may have as to what you'd like to learn more about. We already have some awesome presenters lined up as well as some special events. So.... Northeast Linux Symposium 2006 (not just about Linux, but Free and Open Source as well!) Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine USA (June 17 - 20) arrive p.m. of 17th University of New Hampshire in Durham, NH USA (July 16th - 19th) arrive p.m. of 16th For more information and to register please visit www.nelinux.net Register early! Hope to see you there! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Mar 3 14:48:58 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:48:58 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] automatic logout after inactivity time In-Reply-To: <44084F5D.9030403@maltzen.net> References: <44084F5D.9030403@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200603031448.58582.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Friday 03 Mar 2006 14:14, Petre Scheie wrote: > Is there a way to have terminals automatically logoff after a certain > amount of inactivity time? Digging through the archives, I saw that David > Trask and Caleb Wagnon talked about trying to use idled to do this; was > that successful? It looks like idled hasn't been updated in about ten > years; is there any other way to achieve this? This question pops up quite often and (AFAIK) no one has come up with a definitive solution. LOGMON (www.logmon.com) can be used to do what you want. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From moquist at majen.net Fri Mar 3 15:12:28 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:12:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Anyone provide ftp access to students? (Shawn Powers) In-Reply-To: <20060303143028.457D673047@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060303143028.457D673047@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060303151228.GB18026@majen.net> Here's a crazy idea. I've been working lately on an electronic portfolio module for Moodle, and along the way I ran smack-dab into the need for a robust and featurful file-management system in Moodle. There wasn't one, and they knew they needed one, they just hadn't gotten to it yet, and they weren't going to have time for quite a while. So I wrote one. My "repository" Moodle module (still under http://moodle.org/download/modules/portfolio.zip) adds a "File keeper" block to your site, through which all Moodle users can store files in a typical filesystem-like tree with quite flexible ACL support for selective publication (read-access) and sharing (read-write access). (There is also versioning, and all deletions go into the "trash".) This is *not* FTP, but what it does allow kids to do is store their things in Moodle, and then access those files from wherever they are. OTOH, one of the major additional developments we're planning to add to this module is either an FTP server or WebDAV support, so that users can drag 'n drop files UP into Moodle -- and *that* really would be addressing the FTP question more directly. The module isn't production ready at this point because some features are incomplete -- for example, there is no interface for the administrator to "empty the trash". But it's close-to-ready for some serious testing, and I think it might meet the same needs as FTP for some folks, so if you're interested the discussion of the portfolio project is at http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=38736 and I'd love to hear your thoughts. Also, you can try out the File keeper block on our demo site: http://portfolio.spdc.org/portfolio/ (Just create an account and do what you can to break the File keeper. :) ) I'm wide-open to any ideas about how we can make this a stronger alternative to FTP itself, even though that wasn't the original motivation for the work. --matt -- http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Petre From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Mar 3 15:41:06 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:41:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? In-Reply-To: <20060302231256.95240.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060302231256.95240.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200603031041.07250.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Thursday March 02 2006 6:12 pm, Rob Owens wrote: > --- Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > SSH is out because you can't use SCP without a > > shell. And I too think > > a shell is too powerful for some external hacker. > > There is a shell called scponly > http://www.sublimation.org/scponly/ > I've never used it, but it's supposed to address the > need for a very basic shell for using scp, without > giving too many other features that could be used for > evil... > > -Rob > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I use proftpd (secure using chroot; there are instructions for doing ftp over ssh, but they appear cumbersome for the client [I could be wrong about that, but it looks like it to me], and eay to configure, especially if you're familiar with httpd.conf directives) and scponly. Works great, and I sleep easier at night. Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Mar 3 15:53:51 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:53:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] have sound working on Imac Indigo's Message-ID: <57582.216.24.126.68.1141401231.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello List, Just thought Id throw this out. I havent really heard of anyone having sound working on Macs? I have sound working fine on Imac Indigos( shiney cased Macs) now. I tested with xmms, flash enabled sites, and tuxtype2. If,when booting up ,after the usb lines you will get your mac soundcard detection ,same as PC bootup. If you see Powermac Screamer detected as your soundcard the following config in /added to /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/ lts.conf will make this soundcard work. It appears that on the Bondis( dull colored Macs) the soundcard is initialized correctly,,but there is no sound output?.K12LTSP/FC3 detects the card as a Powemac Burgandy. this card will NOT work. SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" VOLUME = 99 X4_MODULE_01 = glx SMODULE_01 = "soundcore.o" SMODULE_02 = "dmasound_pmac.o" SMODULE_03 = "dmasound_core.o" Hope this helps someone. Thank You, Barry Cisna From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 3 16:01:42 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:01:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how to turn off nautilus under IceWM--SOLVED In-Reply-To: <4408625E.6090301@maltzen.net> References: <4408625E.6090301@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44086866.1050301@maltzen.net> Answering my own question, the file that launches icewm and nautilus and opens the users home directory at login time is /usr/bin/icewm-start. To turn off the automatic opening of the user's home directory is still the same: change the 'nautilus &' line to 'nautilus -n &'. I'll update the wiki. Petre Scheie wrote: > I want to modify the launch of nautilus under IceWM so that it doesn't > automatically open the user's home directory upon login. This used to > be configured in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM back in the 2.x days > (according to the wiki page, which I wrote). But in 4.4.1 there is no > such file; matter of fact, the only thing in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/ is a > file called 'Reset your desktop'. I can't even find the config file > that tells gdm to list IceWM as one of the login options. It's been a > while since I fooled around with IceWM on K12. Where is this stuff > configured nowadays? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Fri Mar 3 16:09:19 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:09:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] log viewer In-Reply-To: References: <879B1993-0D90-4153-875E-83AFC6A1E9D5@independence.k12.ia.us> <81e6a9bf0603020415h3c68f539qa8c6be0a126045e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431D63E0-9BE8-4B90-844C-6718192932E6@independence.k12.ia.us> On Mar 2, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Brad Johnson wrote: > Ok, guys, I'm feeling really silly, but I don't have system- > logviewer installed, although I have the icons for it. Further, > when I try to yum install system-logviewer, I get no results. Can > somebody point me in the right direction for installing this? > > Thanks so much, > > Brad > > On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:15 AM, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > >> Yep, you should be able to use 'system-logviewer' >> >> on a side note I've been using Splunk lately and I really like >> it. www.splunk.com >> >> On 2/28/06, Brad Johnson < bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us> >> wrote:Greetings, >> >> in my laziness, I'm wondering if their is a gui-based log viewer that >> is installed by default in ltsp 4.4? It seems to me there used to be >> a log viewer, but I sure can't find it. If there is not one >> installed by default, does anyone have any recommendations for one? >> I'm to lazy to keep manually having to look at /var/log files!! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> I'll answer my own question in case any one else is curious. Apparently, system-logviewer was removed from FC4, but you can still locate and download rpms from FC3, and the rpm seems to work fine. Brad From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Mar 3 16:34:39 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:34:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] how to turn off nautilus under IceWM--SOLVED In-Reply-To: <44086866.1050301@maltzen.net> References: <4408625E.6090301@maltzen.net> <44086866.1050301@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4408701F.1070609@paasda.org> Is the ONLY thing this does is stop the users' home dir from opening on login? I've never tweaked with nautilus...not sure what it's purpose is. --Huck Petre Scheie wrote: > Answering my own question, the file that launches icewm and nautilus and > opens the users home directory at login time is /usr/bin/icewm-start. > To turn off the automatic opening of the user's home directory is still > the same: change the 'nautilus &' line to 'nautilus -n &'. I'll update > the wiki. > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> I want to modify the launch of nautilus under IceWM so that it doesn't >> automatically open the user's home directory upon login. This used to >> be configured in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM back in the 2.x days >> (according to the wiki page, which I wrote). But in 4.4.1 there is no >> such file; matter of fact, the only thing in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/ is >> a file called 'Reset your desktop'. I can't even find the config file >> that tells gdm to list IceWM as one of the login options. It's been a >> while since I fooled around with IceWM on K12. Where is this stuff >> configured nowadays? >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 3 17:13:53 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:13:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how to turn off nautilus under IceWM--SOLVED In-Reply-To: <4408701F.1070609@paasda.org> References: <4408625E.6090301@maltzen.net> <44086866.1050301@maltzen.net> <4408701F.1070609@paasda.org> Message-ID: <44087951.2020407@maltzen.net> As far as I know, that's the only thing it does. According to a man page I found on nautilus -n is the same as --no-default-window which means " Only create windows for explicitly specified URIs." There are other switches too--see http://linux.com.hk/penguin/man/1/nautilus.html IceWM calls Nautilus so users can have icons on the desktop. I think Eric is the one who configures IceWM to do this when he bundles IceWM into K12LTSP; I don't think Fedora comes with IceWM by default (?). Some people turn off Nautilus because it's a bit of a resource hog, and they want the leanest system possible thus choosing IceWM. I've looked using some other lighter packages to provide desktop icons for IceWM over the years, they all seemed to have some quirks that I didn't want to put up with. And in the intervening years, hardware has gotten so cheap, at least in the US, that it's become less and less of an issue. But IceWM is still on the menu, I have some users who like it, but the consensus is that the home folder opening upon login is annoying, so I want to turn that part off, but not lose the desktop icons. Petre Huck wrote: > Is the ONLY thing this does is stop the users' home dir from opening on > login? I've never tweaked with nautilus...not sure what it's purpose is. > --Huck > > Petre Scheie wrote: >> Answering my own question, the file that launches icewm and nautilus >> and opens the users home directory at login time is >> /usr/bin/icewm-start. To turn off the automatic opening of the user's >> home directory is still the same: change the 'nautilus &' line to >> 'nautilus -n &'. I'll update the wiki. >> >> Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> I want to modify the launch of nautilus under IceWM so that it >>> doesn't automatically open the user's home directory upon login. >>> This used to be configured in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM back in the >>> 2.x days (according to the wiki page, which I wrote). But in 4.4.1 >>> there is no such file; matter of fact, the only thing in >>> /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/ is a file called 'Reset your desktop'. I >>> can't even find the config file that tells gdm to list IceWM as one >>> of the login options. It's been a while since I fooled around with >>> IceWM on K12. Where is this stuff configured nowadays? >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Mar 3 17:32:46 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:32:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] how to turn off nautilus under IceWM--SOLVED In-Reply-To: <44087951.2020407@maltzen.net> References: <4408625E.6090301@maltzen.net> <44086866.1050301@maltzen.net> <4408701F.1070609@paasda.org> <44087951.2020407@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44087DBE.5040307@paasda.org> Well...this is what I thought... I thought it turned off the homedir window opening..but I thought it also caused a loss of icons on the desktop...am I wrong? I would be VERY happy to be wrong... Having a meeting today about 'slowness' with ltsp machines in library today...it's gigabit and total number of stations on network is about 40 with a dual 3ghz 4 gig of ram scsi hd's server...that has been plug'n away for a couple years now. if disable'n nautilus is the key to freeing up some resources then great ;) I fear that it's multi-media being accessed by browsers of the web causing the slowdowns though.. --Huck Petre Scheie wrote: > As far as I know, that's the only thing it does. According to a man > page I found on nautilus -n is the same as --no-default-window which > means " Only create windows for explicitly specified URIs." There are > other switches too--see http://linux.com.hk/penguin/man/1/nautilus.html > > IceWM calls Nautilus so users can have icons on the desktop. I think > Eric is the one who configures IceWM to do this when he bundles IceWM > into K12LTSP; I don't think Fedora comes with IceWM by default (?). > Some people turn off Nautilus because it's a bit of a resource hog, and > they want the leanest system possible thus choosing IceWM. I've looked > using some other lighter packages to provide desktop icons for IceWM > over the years, they all seemed to have some quirks that I didn't want > to put up with. And in the intervening years, hardware has gotten so > cheap, at least in the US, that it's become less and less of an issue. > But IceWM is still on the menu, I have some users who like it, but the > consensus is that the home folder opening upon login is annoying, so I > want to turn that part off, but not lose the desktop icons. > > Petre > > Huck wrote: > >> Is the ONLY thing this does is stop the users' home dir from opening >> on login? I've never tweaked with nautilus...not sure what it's >> purpose is. >> --Huck >> >> Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> Answering my own question, the file that launches icewm and nautilus >>> and opens the users home directory at login time is >>> /usr/bin/icewm-start. To turn off the automatic opening of the >>> user's home directory is still the same: change the 'nautilus &' line >>> to 'nautilus -n &'. I'll update the wiki. >>> >>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>> >>>> I want to modify the launch of nautilus under IceWM so that it >>>> doesn't automatically open the user's home directory upon login. >>>> This used to be configured in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM back in >>>> the 2.x days (according to the wiki page, which I wrote). But in >>>> 4.4.1 there is no such file; matter of fact, the only thing in >>>> /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/ is a file called 'Reset your desktop'. I >>>> can't even find the config file that tells gdm to list IceWM as one >>>> of the login options. It's been a while since I fooled around with >>>> IceWM on K12. Where is this stuff configured nowadays? >>>> >>>> Petre >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Mar 3 14:26:30 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:26:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Registration for Northeast Linux Symposium is READY Message-ID: (if you receive duplicates I apologize as I am working from several lists...and some are older) *Also....please help us tell people! Distribute far and wide....feel free to submit to any mailing list you wish...share with your colleagues! :-) Hi all! Finally Matt and I have worked out all the bugs and the new 2006 registration system is up and running for the 2006 Edition of the Northeast Linux Symposium. One major change is that this year there are TWO symposia....the one at Gould Academy and a new one to be held at UNH (University of New Hampshire). Both will be exciting opportunities to learn more about Linux, Open Source, Open Source in the classroom, and much more! Register for one or the other...OR BOTH :-) Matt and I have worked hard negotiating with both Gould and UNH to keep the price very reasonable and still provide the awesome experience that you've come to expect. Nice rooms, great food (seriously...ask anyone who has attended in the past...the food is incredible), fantastic camaraderie, and a great learning experience. We help to take away the pressure by making the symposium "all-inclusive" (room, meals, and conference are all included in one price) thus helping you to get away from the "real world" and be able to immerse yourself and really enjoy your experience with us. Come alone or even better...bring a team from your school, company, or district. An explanation of the symposia is available on our site www.nelinux.net We are working to finalize the sessions are are currently seeking any ideas you may have as to what you'd like to learn more about. We already have some awesome presenters lined up as well as some special events. So.... Northeast Linux Symposium 2006 (not just about Linux, but Free and Open Source as well!) Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine USA (June 17 - 20) arrive p.m. of 17th University of New Hampshire in Durham, NH USA (July 16th - 19th) arrive p.m. of 16th For more information and to register please visit www.nelinux.net Register early! Hope to see you there! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 17:40:12 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (RiE) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:40:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PHP regular expression question. Message-ID: <69b790a80603030940g337c2449xc9004f0be4d121de@mail.gmail.com> I know, it's off topic, there are just so many knowledgable people here, someone will have the answer. I have a string. It could look like: (I added the under_score to break it so it won't display as a link in email.) "blah blah blah link... Other link here: link... Other link here: " optionally, add in '...' like this: "blah blah blah link... Other link here: ..." Thanks. From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 3 17:42:50 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:42:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how to turn off nautilus under IceWM--SOLVED In-Reply-To: <44087DBE.5040307@paasda.org> References: <4408625E.6090301@maltzen.net> <44086866.1050301@maltzen.net> <4408701F.1070609@paasda.org> <44087951.2020407@maltzen.net> <44087DBE.5040307@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4408801A.3060804@maltzen.net> The icewm-start script has this line: nautilus & which will call nautilus giving users desktop icons and opening their home directory automatically when they login. If you change it to nautilus -n & they still get desktop icons but their home folder won't automatically be opened when they login. This doesn't save on resources, only gets rid of the annoyance. To save on resources, you can turn off nautilus altogether: # nautilus & but then you lose the desktop icons. OTOH, if you're using IceWM, you can put everything they need down on the toolbar; having desktop icons or not seems trivial to me, but we all we all have users who seem to get really worked up over it if they disappear. If you want a lightweight desktop with icons, have a look at rox-filer. Unfortunately, I don't think it's in the default yum repositories. With all that said, if you're system has been working fine, and just slowed down in recent months, I'd agree that the problem is probably the apps, not the desktop environment. But perhaps switching environments will help. Huck wrote: > Well...this is what I thought... > I thought it turned off the homedir window opening..but I thought it > also caused a loss of icons on the desktop...am I wrong? I would be VERY > happy to be wrong... > Having a meeting today about 'slowness' with ltsp machines in library > today...it's gigabit and total number of stations on network is about 40 > with a dual 3ghz 4 gig of ram scsi hd's server...that has been plug'n > away for a couple years now. if disable'n nautilus is the key to freeing > up some resources then great ;) > I fear that it's multi-media being accessed by browsers of the web > causing the slowdowns though.. > > --Huck > > Petre Scheie wrote: >> As far as I know, that's the only thing it does. According to a man >> page I found on nautilus -n is the same as --no-default-window which >> means " Only create windows for explicitly specified URIs." There are >> other switches too--see http://linux.com.hk/penguin/man/1/nautilus.html >> >> IceWM calls Nautilus so users can have icons on the desktop. I think >> Eric is the one who configures IceWM to do this when he bundles IceWM >> into K12LTSP; I don't think Fedora comes with IceWM by default (?). >> Some people turn off Nautilus because it's a bit of a resource hog, >> and they want the leanest system possible thus choosing IceWM. I've >> looked using some other lighter packages to provide desktop icons for >> IceWM over the years, they all seemed to have some quirks that I >> didn't want to put up with. And in the intervening years, hardware >> has gotten so cheap, at least in the US, that it's become less and >> less of an issue. But IceWM is still on the menu, I have some users >> who like it, but the consensus is that the home folder opening upon >> login is annoying, so I want to turn that part off, but not lose the >> desktop icons. >> >> Petre >> >> Huck wrote: >> >>> Is the ONLY thing this does is stop the users' home dir from opening >>> on login? I've never tweaked with nautilus...not sure what it's >>> purpose is. >>> --Huck >>> >>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>> >>>> Answering my own question, the file that launches icewm and nautilus >>>> and opens the users home directory at login time is >>>> /usr/bin/icewm-start. To turn off the automatic opening of the >>>> user's home directory is still the same: change the 'nautilus &' >>>> line to 'nautilus -n &'. I'll update the wiki. >>>> >>>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>>> >>>>> I want to modify the launch of nautilus under IceWM so that it >>>>> doesn't automatically open the user's home directory upon login. >>>>> This used to be configured in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM back in >>>>> the 2.x days (according to the wiki page, which I wrote). But in >>>>> 4.4.1 there is no such file; matter of fact, the only thing in >>>>> /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/ is a file called 'Reset your desktop'. I >>>>> can't even find the config file that tells gdm to list IceWM as one >>>>> of the login options. It's been a while since I fooled around with >>>>> IceWM on K12. Where is this stuff configured nowadays? >>>>> >>>>> Petre >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Mar 3 18:13:23 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:13:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] how to turn off nautilus under IceWM--SOLVED In-Reply-To: <4408801A.3060804@maltzen.net> References: <4408625E.6090301@maltzen.net> <44086866.1050301@maltzen.net> <4408701F.1070609@paasda.org> <44087951.2020407@maltzen.net> <44087DBE.5040307@paasda.org> <4408801A.3060804@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44088743.8040507@paasda.org> yes the environment has been IceWM from the onset... firefox sometimes seems to take a LOT of resources and openoffice as well... and if 15 kids log on at the same time and all start a session of OpenOffice...oh talk about a crawl... From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Mar 3 18:32:17 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:32:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone provide ftp access to students? Message-ID: <200603031332.18320.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Is this of any use to those looking to do ftp? I've tried it, it works well, I believe it's customizable to your needs, and its free for non-commercial use. http://sftp.thinfile.com/sftp/ Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Mar 3 19:59:43 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:59:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] memory issues Message-ID: <4408A02F.1030502@paasda.org> top - 11:34:14 up 23:45, 1 user, load average: 6.18, 5.67, 3.73 Tasks: 323 total, 5 running, 318 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 12.7% us, 6.4% sy, 0.1% ni, 76.9% id, 0.0% wa, 0.2% hi, 3.6% si Mem: 4153708k total, 4094596k used, 59112k free, 479060k buffers Swap: 2040244k total, 0k used, 2040244k free, 2787320k cached 1 user is a lie of course there are at least 12 people logged in... I don't see any reason for this much memory to be getting sucked up though...they are all running firefox AND/OR openoffice writer. any ideas? I remember seeing a long while ago some cmd-line tool to track memory usage ever-so-often...I've searched the archives and google'd without luck finding it. anyone remember? thought it was like "memd" or something --Huck From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 3 20:00:13 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:00:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] memory issues In-Reply-To: <4408A02F.1030502@paasda.org> References: <4408A02F.1030502@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4408A04D.3000207@maltzen.net> What does free show? Top doesn't seem to show how much RAM is allocated to cache (hmm, never noticed that before). Free does. Remember, for efficiency, Linux allocates most of unused RAM to file caching under the theory that it's wasteful to have memory standing around not be used. Here's what free shows on one of my systems: total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2010576 1946448 64128 0 160108 1009868 -/+ buffers/cache: 776472 1234104 Swap: 2096472 8 2096464 The memory used shows nearly all of the 2GB, 1946448K, in the server being used; but it also shows that 1009868K of that is devoted to cache. As demand for more memory for apps goes up, the kernel will take memory used for caching and devote to the apps. In your case, your swap used is still 0 which is what you want. In other words, you have enough RAM. Petre Huck wrote: > top - 11:34:14 up 23:45, 1 user, load average: 6.18, 5.67, 3.73 > Tasks: 323 total, 5 running, 318 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 12.7% us, 6.4% sy, 0.1% ni, 76.9% id, 0.0% wa, 0.2% hi, > 3.6% si > Mem: 4153708k total, 4094596k used, 59112k free, 479060k buffers > Swap: 2040244k total, 0k used, 2040244k free, 2787320k cached > > > 1 user is a lie of course there are at least 12 people logged in... > I don't see any reason for this much memory to be getting sucked up > though...they are all running firefox AND/OR openoffice writer. > > any ideas? I remember seeing a long while ago some cmd-line tool to > track memory usage ever-so-often...I've searched the archives and > google'd without luck finding it. anyone remember? thought it was like > "memd" or something > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 20:06:42 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:06:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scribus Message-ID: <464c38cc0603031206s3975da35lbb5ab2a96a1c0d3b@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone had any experience runnning the Aqua version of Scribus on OS X. I downloaded it and it is just slllooowwww. I am on a G4 ibook, but it just doesn't cut it. I am using the X11 version through Fink, but that is at version 1.2. The Aqua version is up to the latest build. I am guessing the slowness is just related to the free QT tools they are using to do it. Anybody else having any luck with this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Mar 3 20:18:50 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:18:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] memory issues In-Reply-To: <4408A04D.3000207@maltzen.net> References: <4408A02F.1030502@paasda.org> <4408A04D.3000207@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4408A4AA.4010806@paasda.org> total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 4153708 4059868 93840 0 498456 2761424 -/+ buffers/cache: 799988 3353720 Swap: 2040244 0 2040244 that's my free...I know I got enough ram..but when 8 kids open of OO writer or calc all at once...talk about a lagged system...then again I think maybe it has to do with network saturation by one or two browers do'n multi-media things. Petre Scheie wrote: > What does free show? Top doesn't seem to show how much RAM is allocated > to cache (hmm, never noticed that before). Free does. Remember, for > efficiency, Linux allocates most of unused RAM to file caching under the > theory that it's wasteful to have memory standing around not be used. > Here's what free shows on one of my systems: > > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 2010576 1946448 64128 0 160108 1009868 > -/+ buffers/cache: 776472 1234104 > Swap: 2096472 8 2096464 > > The memory used shows nearly all of the 2GB, 1946448K, in the server > being used; but it also shows that 1009868K of that is devoted to > cache. As demand for more memory for apps goes up, the kernel will take > memory used for caching and devote to the apps. In your case, your swap > used is still 0 which is what you want. In other words, you have enough > RAM. > > Petre > > Huck wrote: > >> top - 11:34:14 up 23:45, 1 user, load average: 6.18, 5.67, 3.73 >> Tasks: 323 total, 5 running, 318 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie >> Cpu(s): 12.7% us, 6.4% sy, 0.1% ni, 76.9% id, 0.0% wa, 0.2% hi, >> 3.6% si >> Mem: 4153708k total, 4094596k used, 59112k free, 479060k buffers >> Swap: 2040244k total, 0k used, 2040244k free, 2787320k cached >> >> >> 1 user is a lie of course there are at least 12 people logged in... >> I don't see any reason for this much memory to be getting sucked up >> though...they are all running firefox AND/OR openoffice writer. >> >> any ideas? I remember seeing a long while ago some cmd-line tool to >> track memory usage ever-so-often...I've searched the archives and >> google'd without luck finding it. anyone remember? thought it was like >> "memd" or something >> >> --Huck >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robark at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 20:09:50 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:09:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] memory issues In-Reply-To: <4408A04D.3000207@maltzen.net> References: <4408A02F.1030502@paasda.org> <4408A04D.3000207@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 3/3/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > What does free show? Top doesn't seem to show how much RAM is allocated to cache (hmm, Yes it does. top says 2.7G is cached. I wouldn't worry about the memory unless you start using swap. In this example swap is 0k used. > > top - 11:34:14 up 23:45, 1 user, load average: 6.18, 5.67, 3.73 > > Tasks: 323 total, 5 running, 318 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > > Cpu(s): 12.7% us, 6.4% sy, 0.1% ni, 76.9% id, 0.0% wa, 0.2% hi, > > 3.6% si > > Mem: 4153708k total, 4094596k used, 59112k free, 479060k buffers > > Swap: 2040244k total, 0k used, 2040244k free, 2787320k cached -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Fri Mar 3 21:05:21 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:05:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PHP regular expression question. In-Reply-To: <69b790a80603030940g337c2449xc9004f0be4d121de@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80603030940g337c2449xc9004f0be4d121de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141419921.3357.32.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 09:40 -0800, RiE wrote: > I know, it's off topic, there are just so many knowledgable people > here, someone will have the answer. > I have a string. It could look like: (I added the under_score to > break it so it won't display as a link in email.) > "blah blah blah link... Other link here: > > Yes, the string could have an incomplete tag at the end. What would > be the solution to get rid of the last incomplete tag. It could be an > image tag, it could be an 'A HREF" tag. > It's acceptable to yield the string: > "blah blah blah link... Other link here: " > If what you're trying to accomplish is getting rid of any incomplete tags at the end of the string, a regex like this ought to work to detect the situation:: /<[^>]*$/ In order to extract a fixed up string you'll want something like this:: if (preg_match('/(.*)<[^>]*$/', $string, $matches) { $newstring = $matches[1] . '...'; } else { $newstring = $string; } This does not take care of the case where a tag that requires closing is left open at the end of the string (ie: "Blah ... foo"; "Blah ... Break me"; etc) Solving that requires that your php script knows a little bit about the proper structure of html. -Toshio > optionally, add in '...' like this: > "blah blah blah link... Other link here: ..." > > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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'...'; > } else { > $newstring = $string; > } > > This does not take care of the case where a tag that requires closing is > left open at the end of the string (ie: "Blah ... > foo"; "Blah ...
Break me"; > etc) Solving that requires that your php script knows a little bit > about the proper structure of html. > I wan't thinking about the unmatched tags(but I should have). I'm trying to take an RSS feed, grab the summary and display just a portion of it. some of the summaries are the entire content, I was trying to grab just 300 characters or so. One of the test feeds happened to have a link right at 300 that was being chopped in two.. I don't care about links or image in my summary, maybe I'll just drop all <..> tags, plus one on the end if it's truncated <.. Thanks, I'll play around with it later. I wasn't sure about the /<[^>]*$/ part.. Roger From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 3 23:32:44 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:32:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Anyone provide ftp access to students? (Shawn Powers) In-Reply-To: <20060303151228.GB18026@majen.net> References: <20060303143028.457D673047@hormel.redhat.com> <20060303151228.GB18026@majen.net> Message-ID: <1141428764.14393.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 09:12, Matt Oquist wrote: > I'm wide-open to any ideas about how we can make this a stronger > alternative to FTP itself, even though that wasn't the original > motivation for the work. Did you look at the up/download facility under 'applications' in usermin or the java applet file manager in the 'others' category? You wouldn't have to enable the other tools if you only want file xfer. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From william at fragakis.com Sat Mar 4 17:18:59 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:18:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how to turn off nautilus under IceWM--SOLVED In-Reply-To: <20060304170024.8298173407@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060304170024.8298173407@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Look into using Abiword. It's much lighter weight than OO and loads very fast. Most folks don't use all the features of something like OO, they just want to type. Our kids love it because of its speed. regards, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com On Mar 4, 2006, at 12:00 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:13:23 -0800 > From: Huck > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] how to turn off nautilus under IceWM--SOLVED > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <44088743.8040507 at paasda.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > yes the environment has been IceWM from the onset... > > firefox sometimes seems to take a LOT of resources and openoffice as > well... > > and if 15 kids log on at the same time and all start a session of > OpenOffice...oh talk about a crawl... > From robark at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 23:21:17 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 15:21:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released Message-ID: The next version of Fl_TeacherTool is now available from http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ This version is NOT available through yum as it contains experimental new features. The new features in this version, Monitor and Control, are experimental since the vnc module, libgcc, libstdc++ libraries are not built inside the LBE. Please follow the INSTALL instructions in the tarball or my website to enable the new features. As usual let me know if you encounter any bugs. PS The time to collect user data sometimes takes a long time (up to 60sec). The program is not frozen. Also, in this version I have not discarded any console output messages. So if you don't want lots of output to your console launch it like this /usr/local/sbin/Fl_TeacherTool > /dev/null 2>&1 Enjoy! -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Sun Mar 5 15:45:09 2006 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:45:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] List Down? Message-ID: <200603051615.k25GFKgN022224@mx1.redhat.com> Is the list down? Haven't gotten anything in a couple of days -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From austinsr at uindy.edu Sun Mar 5 17:45:54 2006 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn Austin) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:45:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] List Down? In-Reply-To: <200603051615.k25GFKgN022224@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200603051615.k25GFKgN022224@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <440B23D2.7040402@uindy.edu> It could just be a slow weekend. Liam Marshall wrote: > > Is the list down? Haven?t gotten anything in a couple of days > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Shawn Austin Client Services University of Indianapolis 788-3362 From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sun Mar 5 19:27:18 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 13:27:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Nic Teaming Nic Bonding thoughts Message-ID: <61044.70.96.69.243.1141586838.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello List, Could anyone give their thoughts on, nic bonding /teaming with using K12LTSP? Just wondering if this concept in the real world actually nets a network much more bandwidth? Was thinking of possibly setting up nic teaming on one of our servers if anyone, that has actually used this setup, has found noticable gains in network throughput. We seem to have very decent bandwidth but it doesnt hurt to try some new things along the way. I wondered if this would be more headaches than it is worth. Take Care, Barry Cisna From dhbarr at gozelle.com Sun Mar 5 23:13:51 2006 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:13:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Nic Teaming Nic Bonding thoughts In-Reply-To: <61044.70.96.69.243.1141586838.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <61044.70.96.69.243.1141586838.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: On 3/5/06, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Could anyone give their thoughts on, nic bonding /teaming with using K12LTSP? > Just wondering if this concept in the real world actually nets a network > much more bandwidth? Was thinking of possibly setting up nic teaming on > one of our servers if anyone, that has actually used this setup, has found > noticable gains in network throughput. I seem to recall from my clustering days that channel bonding can be useful, up to a point. http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/Projects/MP_Lite/dox_channel_bonding.html > We seem to have very decent bandwidth but it doesnt hurt to try some new > things along the way. I wondered if this would be more headaches than it > is worth. That seems to be the study I recall, and basically I remember coming away with "More than 3 bonded channels is a waste." and "The cost is somewhat more than GigaE but significantly less than 10gE or Myrinet". Hope this helps answer your question, at least somewhat. -dhbarr. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Mar 6 13:03:17 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:03:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] parse error in /etc/lts.conf line=32 In-Reply-To: References: <440B26BA.8050404@laposte.net> Message-ID: Sorry, I forgot to send this to the list the first time. On Mar 5, 2006, at 3:49 PM, Burke Almquist wrote: > It works at home because you only have one client. > In a multiclient situation you have multiple clients thinking they > are cdi2. Does this make any sense to you?? > The client's /etc/hosts file in in /opt/ltsp/../etc on the server, > wherever you installed LTSP's root folder on your server. Your > clients are getting their root file system over readonly NFS. As a > general rule you don't want anything other than localhost on the > 127.0.0.1 line of /etc/hosts. > > >> Burke Almquist a ?crit : >>> The cdi2 entry shoudn't be next to the localhost IP in the >>> client's etc hosts file. >>> It should be the same on both. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 6 15:09:40 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:09:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060306150825.M76501@winonacotter.org> On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 15:21:17 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote > The next version of Fl_TeacherTool is now available from Very cool. Thanks for all of your work. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Mar 6 15:31:13 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 07:31:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Scribus In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0603031206s3975da35lbb5ab2a96a1c0d3b@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0603031206s3975da35lbb5ab2a96a1c0d3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141659074.9775.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 15:06 -0500, Timothy Hart wrote: > Has anyone had any experience runnning the Aqua version of Scribus on > OS X. I downloaded it and it is just slllooowwww. I am on a G4 ibook, > but it just doesn't cut it. I am using the X11 version through Fink, > but that is at version 1.2. The Aqua version is up to the latest > build. I am guessing the slowness is just related to the free QT tools > they are using to do it. Anybody else having any luck with this? I had the same experience. The solution I ended up with was having the user use Inkscape instead of scribus. Since the "page layout" they are doing is mostly pictures with just a little text (instead of mostly text with a few pictures) Inkscape seems to be a better tool for the job anyway. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Mar 6 16:28:00 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:28:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scribus In-Reply-To: <1141659074.9775.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <464c38cc0603031206s3975da35lbb5ab2a96a1c0d3b@mail.gmail.com> <1141659074.9775.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, March 06, 2006 at 10:31 AM +0000 wrote: >I had the same experience. The solution I ended up with was having the >user use Inkscape instead of scribus. Since the "page layout" they are >doing is mostly pictures with just a little text (instead of mostly text >with a few pictures) Inkscape seems to be a better tool for the job >anyway. There's a native OS X version of Inkscape that doesn't require X 11? If so....where? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Mar 6 16:45:04 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:45:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scribus In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0603031206s3975da35lbb5ab2a96a1c0d3b@mail.gmail.com> <1141659074.9775.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <464c38cc0603060845p441071ama18e637efdf3c9c3@mail.gmail.com> Not that I know of. It just doesn't require fink to install it. As far as I know. On 3/6/06, David Trask wrote: > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, March 06, 2006 at 10:31 AM +0000 wrote: > >I had the same experience. The solution I ended up with was having the > >user use Inkscape instead of scribus. Since the "page layout" they are > >doing is mostly pictures with just a little text (instead of mostly text > >with a few pictures) Inkscape seems to be a better tool for the job > >anyway. > > There's a native OS X version of Inkscape that doesn't require X 11? If > so....where? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Mon Mar 6 17:10:22 2006 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:10:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Scribus Message-ID: <20060306171022.48cbc884@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> There is an aqua version of Scribus however. Maybe it will be faster. http://aqua.scribus.net/ Peace, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Always remember you're unique just like everyone else. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From robark at gmail.com Mon Mar 6 18:26:05 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:26:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released In-Reply-To: <20060306150825.M76501@winonacotter.org> References: <20060306150825.M76501@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On 3/6/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 15:21:17 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote > > The next version of Fl_TeacherTool is now available from > > Very cool. Thanks for all of your work. Thanks. If 0.30 is relatively stable then my next goal is to see if it's possible to port it to Edubuntu and Skolelinux. Not sure if it's possible though because I don't know how similar they are to K12LTSP. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us Mon Mar 6 20:27:02 2006 From: JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us (Jeffrey Myers) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:27:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] GDM.conf Timed Login and setting up mulitple users Message-ID: <1249B1B01D2A444490F78C240418EA5401578C7B@dcedcf05.dccentral> _____ _____ From: Jeffrey Myers [mailto:JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:39 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] GDM.conf Timed Login and setting up mulitple users Is there a way to edit the GDM.conf to specify multiple timed user login's? I have seen the documentation out there for KDM. Under the Auto Login with KDM, you specify the host and Auto Login. [X-ws004:0-Core] AutoLoginEnable=true AutoLogin=username Can you do this with the GDM.conf for timed login? I am trying to configure 3 different users with different profiles. I have edited the dhcpd.conf file to specify a static address to a specific MAC. That works great, but I just cant figure out how to edit the GDM.conf file. Thanks for your help group. JEFFREY M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 6 20:40:36 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:40:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] GDM.conf Timed Login and setting up mulitple users In-Reply-To: <1249B1B01D2A444490F78C240418EA5401578C7B@dcedcf05.dccentral> References: <1249B1B01D2A444490F78C240418EA5401578C7B@dcedcf05.dccentral> Message-ID: <440C9E44.4000909@maltzen.net> There was some discussion along these lines over on the LTSP mailing list. Have a look in the archives covering the past three or four days. Jeffrey Myers wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Jeffrey Myers [mailto:JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us] > *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2006 1:39 PM > *To:* k12osn at redhat.com > *Subject:* [K12OSN] GDM.conf Timed Login and setting up mulitple users > > > > Is there a way to edit the GDM.conf to specify multiple timed user > login's? I have seen the documentation out there for KDM. Under the > Auto Login with KDM, you specify the host and Auto Login. > > > > [X-ws004:0-Core] > > AutoLoginEnable=true > > AutoLogin=username > > > > Can you do this with the GDM.conf for timed login? I am trying to > configure 3 different users with different profiles. I have edited the > dhcpd.conf file to specify a static address to a specific MAC. That > works great, but I just cant figure out how to edit the GDM.conf file. > Thanks for your help group. > > > > **JEFFREY M** > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Mar 6 23:08:11 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:08:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Nic Teaming Nic Bonding thoughts In-Reply-To: <61044.70.96.69.243.1141586838.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <61044.70.96.69.243.1141586838.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <1141686492.10165.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 13:27 -0600, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello List, > > Could anyone give their thoughts on, nic bonding /teaming with using K12LTSP? > Just wondering if this concept in the real world actually nets a network > much more bandwidth? Was thinking of possibly setting up nic teaming on > one of our servers if anyone, that has actually used this setup, has found > noticable gains in network throughput. > We seem to have very decent bandwidth but it doesnt hurt to try some new > things along the way. I wondered if this would be more headaches than it > is worth. I've used NIC bonding in the past for high-demand NAS servers where Gb equipment wasn't available. I "tied" 3 NICs together and got significant throughput boosts, for little headache. I don't remember the numbers exactly, but it was pretty impressive for an effectively $0 upgrade. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Mar 6 23:20:29 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:20:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] recommended repositories for 4.4.1? Message-ID: <1141687229.10165.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am having a variety of update issues on my 4.4.1 servers. I believe that most of them stem from the repositories I have been using. Does a list of recommended repos (yum or apt) for use with K12LTSP exist anywhere? Also, being a Debian / Ubuntu user at heart, I gravitate towards using apt (or synaptic) for updates and installing applications. Does using apt instead of or with yum have a tendency to "break stuff"? I know Fedora has deprecated the use of apt in favor of yum, but I've always had the impression they could safely be used interchangeably as long repos were kept reasonably in sync. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Mar 7 00:11:31 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:11:31 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Video player with ESD support for ltsp ? Message-ID: <440CCFB3.5040500@orcon.net.nz> Mplayer works fine for me. Here is a repost. Visit this site. http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mplayer-fedora.html#intro To use the gui type gmplayer from commandline. Then to use the volume controls etc. Right click and choose skin browser. Select any and the controls will come up. If the volume is still to quiet you can use the eq to bump up the volume more. Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Could you share your building information, cause we're hitting the > same problems. :-) > > Kevin > > On 8-feb-06, at 03:57, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > >> No worries. I worked it out. >> There is a guide for linking the fonts in the Fedora Mplayer guide. >> When using the gui there is a volume control that works. And even an >> eq. Cool. >> Now we just have to work out how to adjust the volume in programs >> like Tuxmath that have no volume control. >> >> Krsnendu Dasa wrote: >> >>> I bit the bullet and installed from source. Pretty easy actually. >>> The only problem is an error message saying: >>> < >>> New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. 2 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0 >>> >>> Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). >>> subtitle font: load_sub_face failed. >>> >>>> >>> >>> What's that about? How can I fix it? >>> >>> Ailso s there anyway to change the volume thru the software? I have >>> got headphones with volume controls, but sometimes I like to use >>> the built in speaker and it would be good be able to adjust the >>> volume. This is true for all applications. >>> Shawn Powers wrote: >>> >>>> Krsnendu Dasa wrote: >>>> >>>>> In the gui, if I go to sound config there is no esd driver (only >>>>> oss, alsa, mpg etc.) should there be? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ahh, wherever you got mplayer from, it wasn't compiled with esd >>>> support. Bummer. You'll either have to recompile it yourself >>>> (not as hard as it sounds), or find a source with more audio >>>> support built in. >>>> >>>> Sorry. :( >>>> >>>> -Shawn From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 00:31:21 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:31:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released In-Reply-To: References: <20060306150825.M76501@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560603061631x4d0a83dfv251be73135680b30@mail.gmail.com> Hey Robert, Thanks and sorry for the silliness. I forgot that in addition to the fltk.i386.rpm that I also built a 64 bit version from scratch. I'm stuck on the monitoring part however. from the instructions: > #/usr/bin/vncpasswd > > Choose a password and copy the password file into >the ltsp-tree > > #cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ > > Now you must copy the vnc-module and some >libraries into the ltsp-tree: > > #cp /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so >/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ > #cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ I believe I did all this for Fl_TT 2. The files are there. Strangely, lts.conf and bulid_x4_cfg were already edited. I think these instuctions must have been up for a while and I've just been eagerly awaiting your release. >The next cp creates a backup of the original >libgcc_s.so.1 library. > > #cp /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 >/opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1.original With this part i have a link to a shared library libgcc_s-3.4.3-20050228.so.1. So I copied the library, made the symbolic link from libgcc_s.so.1 and ran ldconfig. Some other things that I think might be noteworthy: In the main TT window pids for all users show up as 1 or 2. When you hit the view button all the processes show up though. When I try to monitor I get: main: unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111) In the command line I also get a lot of: warning, got duplicate tcp line. Do you have any Ideas? Thanks so much Robert! Peter On 3/6/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/6/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 15:21:17 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote > > > The next version of Fl_TeacherTool is now available from > > > > Very cool. Thanks for all of your work. > > Thanks. If 0.30 is relatively stable then my next goal is to see if > it's possible to port it to Edubuntu and Skolelinux. Not sure if it's > possible though because I don't know how similar they are to K12LTSP. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Mar 7 01:54:36 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:54:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released Message-ID: <60043.70.96.69.243.1141696476.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello Robert, I went to the link listed in your post,and i see version 0.21 as the version available? Were am i "missing clicking"?... Id like to give the new FL_TT a spin. Version 0.21 has worked like a champ BTW. Thanks again, Take Care, Barry Cisna From robark at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 02:28:59 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:28:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released In-Reply-To: <60043.70.96.69.243.1141696476.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <60043.70.96.69.243.1141696476.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: On 3/6/06, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello Robert, > > I went to the link listed in your post,and i see version 0.21 as the > version available? > Were am i "missing clicking"?... Hmm. This is my site http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ I've had 0.30 up for over 2 days. The only thing I can think of is your browser has cached my old page. Try hitting refresh. F5 Let me know if you still can't get it. I'll send it to you. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Mar 7 03:15:37 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:15:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Register early for NELS at Gould Academy and UNH Message-ID: Just a note to register early for this years Northeast Linux Symposium at Gould Academy (and also at UNH). I realize the registration page asks for a PO number....it always has, but even if you don't have the PO yet, but plan to attend....register anyway and then simply send me the PO. (UNH handles the registrations for that conference so you'll be sending it to them...not me....however I will continue to handle the Gould registrations) It is very helpful to Matt and I to get people registered early so we can begin fine-tuning our plans and financial arrangements. So....hope you can join us this year! Register early at http://www.nelinux.net David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From robark at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 03:59:25 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:59:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released In-Reply-To: <9bd317560603061631x4d0a83dfv251be73135680b30@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060306150825.M76501@winonacotter.org> <9bd317560603061631x4d0a83dfv251be73135680b30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/6/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > > #cp /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so >/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ > > #cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ > > I believe I did all this for Fl_TT 2. The files are there. There are 3 files. The vnc module, libgcc, libstdc++ The libgcc one already exists but needs to be replaced. That's why I say to save the original. > Strangely, lts.conf and bulid_x4_cfg were already edited. I think > these instuctions must have been up for a while and I've just been > eagerly awaiting your release. Yes, they have been posted before a couple times on the list. > > >The next cp creates a backup of the original >libgcc_s.so.1 library. > > > > #cp /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 >/opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1.original I assume you know there is no ">" in the above line > > With this part i have a link to a shared library > libgcc_s-3.4.3-20050228.so.1. So I copied the library, made the > symbolic link from libgcc_s.so.1 and ran ldconfig. You should not need to run ldconfig. Not sure about this version of libgcc_s_3.4.3-200..... I do not see it in k12ltsp 4.2.1EL. Follow my instructions on the site exactly. I have tried to be explicit. Don't forget to reboot the clients. Just to verify, if anyone else has had success with my instructions could you post a verification. Some other things > that I think might be noteworthy: In the main TT window pids for all > users show up as 1 or 2. Weird. I don't get this. I'm going to keep an eye on this if others also report this. I hope this is not occuring with everyone. When you hit the view button all the > processes show up though. When I try to monitor I get: > > main: unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111) Yeah. This means you did not setup the files in step 4 correctly. I suspect since you editing things before this that you may have skipped a step or copied something incorrectly. > > In the command line I also get a lot of: > > warning, got duplicate tcp line. No big deal. This is okay, it just means the uniq filter from netstat came up with duplicate lines. This is normal. I chose not to throw away any messages with this version. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From lighthumor at hotmail.com Tue Mar 7 09:42:27 2006 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 04:42:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] oldest feasible client pc? p166 reasonable? Message-ID: I installed a P166 as a client that for some reason seems ridiculously slow, even doing odd things. What's the oldest client that's actually reasonable to use normally? Long ago I had read tall stories about 486 and 386 clients, but nowadays it seems that the Celeron-300 / 32mb ram I have is about actual minimum... even they crash unless I enable the NFS-swapping in fact. Ideally I am noticing the a client needs a 400mhz CPU and some 64mb ram... Is there some thinner kernel or X.org to use somewhere that is still practical? Seems there is some fat to cut in these kernel images. From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 12:19:14 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:49:14 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] oldest feasible client pc? p166 reasonable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20603070419j3ce7c66w@mail.gmail.com> On 07/03/06, light being wrote: > I installed a P166 as a client that for some reason seems ridiculously slow, > even doing odd things. > > What's the oldest client that's actually reasonable to use normally? > > Long ago I had read tall stories about 486 and 386 clients, but nowadays it > seems that the Celeron-300 / 32mb ram I have is about actual minimum... > even they crash unless I enable the NFS-swapping in fact. > P166 32 mb (better with 64mb) but with PCI 100mbps network card works reasonably fast and is working in my office right now. Normally you should have additional PCI display ard with its own 2mb vidRAM. Worst I have driven a 486 but with X it was SLOW. Non-GUI mode works equally fast on 386. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Mar 7 12:31:02 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 06:31:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released Message-ID: <41341.172.28.8.55.1141734662.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello Robert, Sorry, Stupid me forgot to refresh my web browser when i returned to your fl_teachertool page. That's why i was still seeing the oldie version 0.21 as being avaiable. Did i ever say i was a rocket scientist? Thanks for the work on fl_tt! Take Care, Barry Cisna From veewee77 at alltel.net Tue Mar 7 13:15:34 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:15:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] oldest feasible client pc? p166 reasonable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440D8776.3020600@alltel.net> Memory is the big thing. 64MB minimum. Less will work, but the client may reboot itself sometimes for no apparent reason. Other than that, even 486 will work usably for general purpose stuff. I use them for general stuff around the house here with little or no problems. Doug light being wrote: > I installed a P166 as a client that for some reason seems ridiculously > slow, even doing odd things. > > What's the oldest client that's actually reasonable to use normally? > > Long ago I had read tall stories about 486 and 386 clients, but > nowadays it seems that the Celeron-300 / 32mb ram I have is about > actual minimum... even they crash unless I enable the NFS-swapping in > fact. > > Ideally I am noticing the a client needs a 400mhz CPU and some 64mb > ram... > > Is there some thinner kernel or X.org to use somewhere that is still > practical? > > Seems there is some fat to cut in these kernel images. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 7 13:23:21 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 08:23:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] oldest feasible client pc? p166 reasonable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440D8949.40502@McQuil.com> light being wrote: > I installed a P166 as a client that for some reason seems ridiculously > slow, even doing odd things. > > What's the oldest client that's actually reasonable to use normally? > > Long ago I had read tall stories about 486 and 386 clients, but > nowadays it seems that the Celeron-300 / 32mb ram I have is about > actual minimum... even they crash unless I enable the NFS-swapping in > fact. I still consider that anything with a PCI bus and at least 16mb of ram is a suitable LTSP thin client. You'd definately need NFS swap for that low amount of ram. The reason I say 'PCI bus' is so that you can have a PCI video card. The ISA video cards are way too slow. Even 10mbit network cards are fine. BUT, you have to keep in mind that 'SLOW' is a relative and subjective thing. Sure, a 16mb 166-Pentium will seem slow to somebody who is used to a 1Ghz thin client with 256mb of ram and a fancy video card. BUT, that 16mb 166-pentium will be running way faster than it would if you had left Win95 on it. For an awful lot of people, slow is better than nothing at all. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Ideally I am noticing the a client needs a 400mhz CPU and some 64mb > ram... > > Is there some thinner kernel or X.org to use somewhere that is still > practical? > > Seems there is some fat to cut in these kernel images. > From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 13:31:25 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:31:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Does LTSP need DNS to work? Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603070531y35d2ac10ue56a6b65bf8b0e97@mail.gmail.com> We are contemplating incorporating LTSP in a corparate LAN. Since the default host file on the LTSP server has all the entries for the clients I think the answer is that DNS is not nessasary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Since the > default host file on the LTSP server has all the entries for the > clients I think the answer is that DNS is not nessasary. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Mar 7 13:36:46 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 08:36:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] oldest feasible client pc? p166 reasonable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440D8C6E.4060403@inlandlakes.org> light being wrote: > I installed a P166 as a client that for some reason seems ridiculously > slow, even doing odd things. Every teacher in my district uses a P133 with 32MB of RAM. I have NFS swap turned on, and they have 100mbit cards (and 2MB video cards, 1MB just doesn't work well). They work very well. If you have to use the old XF86_SVGA video driver, then OpenOffice menus are unbearably slow (at least in K12LTSP 4.0.1), but other than that they are very usable. I haven't noticed any speed problems at all... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 7 13:54:00 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:54:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Does LTSP need DNS to work? In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0603070531y35d2ac10ue56a6b65bf8b0e97@mail.gmail.com> References: <81e6a9bf0603070531y35d2ac10ue56a6b65bf8b0e97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141739640.8434.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 07:31, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > We are contemplating incorporating LTSP in a corparate LAN. Since the > default host file on the LTSP server has all the entries for the > clients I think the answer is that DNS is not nessasary. The default setup also runs as a DNS server and will work for public addresses as long as it can reach the internet. If there is an existing DNS server that maintains private addresses on the LAN (or an Active Directory server) you can include that server as a 'forwarder' in the k12ltsp config or you can make it a slave (secondary) for any local domains. Or, you can change /etc/resolv.conf to point to an existing server and modify /etc/dhcpd.conf to give it out to clients as well. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 7 13:59:13 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:59:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] oldest feasible client pc? p166 reasonable? In-Reply-To: <440D8C6E.4060403@inlandlakes.org> References: <440D8C6E.4060403@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1141739953.8434.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 07:36, Shawn Powers wrote: > light being wrote: > > I installed a P166 as a client that for some reason seems ridiculously > > slow, even doing odd things. > > Every teacher in my district uses a P133 with 32MB of RAM. I have NFS > swap turned on, and they have 100mbit cards (and 2MB video cards, 1MB > just doesn't work well). > > They work very well. If you have to use the old XF86_SVGA video driver, > then OpenOffice menus are unbearably slow (at least in K12LTSP 4.0.1), > but other than that they are very usable. I haven't noticed any speed > problems at all... I'd expect to see big differences in speed based on the type of video card especially in things like dragging windows around which some cards do as a block move internally and some require the CPU to do the work and send over the network again. However, I don't have any idea which cards are best other than hearing the Matrox versions available back then were good. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Mar 7 14:07:19 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:07:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] oldest feasible client pc? p166 reasonable? In-Reply-To: <1141739953.8434.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <440D8C6E.4060403@inlandlakes.org> <1141739953.8434.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <440D9397.9070903@inlandlakes.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > I'd expect to see big differences in speed based on the type > of video card especially in things like dragging windows > around which some cards do as a block move internally and > some require the CPU to do the work and send over the network > again. However, I don't have any idea which cards are best > other than hearing the Matrox versions available back then > were good. We have all cirrus logic cards, and the 1MB models are not usable (in order to use the cirrus driver, the resolution drops to 640x480). The 2MB models are fine, and run at 1024x768 without issue. The newer thin clients we have, with ATI Mach64 cards do have a smoother "feel" to them, but both are very functional. Video driver has been the biggest guideline for me regarding older thin clients. The CPU and memory really haven't been an issue -- it's those video cards and X drivers... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Mar 7 15:32:47 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:32:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! You have essentially discovered the holy grail of classroom management in computers! The new TeacherTool essentially does all the same things as the commercial programs like Apple Remote Desktop and the various PC offerings. I just installed and tried it and was very happy with what it does! You ROCK! Now...with regard to the "two server" issue....I have discovered another program called "fanout" which allows me to run ssh and thus commands (non-interactive) on two servers at once. I can now use a script I wrote called "stop" to log off and entire class of users on both servers with only one command being execute from a terminal on one server. More info here: http://www.stearns.org/fanout/README.html It would require the setup in that the servers would need "keys" but once that was done maybe there's a way to get Fl_TeacherTool to run some things on more than one server? Just an idea. If you go to LinuxWorld Boston....I want to buy you a beer! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Mar 7 15:34:32 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:34:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] using fanout to execute one command on multiple servers Message-ID: I have discovered another program called "fanout" which allows me to run ssh and thus commands (non-interactive) on two servers at once. I can now use a script I wrote called "stop" to log off and entire class of users on both servers with only one command being execute from a terminal on one server. More info here: http://www.stearns.org/fanout/README.html You could use it to do things like kill firefox on a whole bunch of servers at once....or to launch scripts...etc. Very cool! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ewong at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Mar 7 16:51:15 2006 From: ewong at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Edmond Wong) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:51:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and clustering Message-ID: <440DBA03.4060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Hi, at work we have a few older machines in the range of P2's and P3's and no money for a server. So I was considering building a cluster to run K12LTSP. My question is does K12LTSP benefit from being run on a cluster? I've found articles on how to setup K12LTSP with OpenMosix or Beowulf, but no one confirming the results of doing it. It will definitely be better than running it on a single computer, but does K12LTSP scale well enough on a cluster that it can replace a good server? From JRuff at Sihope.com Tue Mar 7 18:59:42 2006 From: JRuff at Sihope.com (John G. Ruff) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:59:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and clustering In-Reply-To: <440DBA03.4060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <440DBA03.4060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <1141757982.6163.62.camel@JohnRuff.Updates4You.com> I have no idea about the clusters, but how about using the P3 systems as "terminal servers" and a single system as the network shared disk drive? The P3s would serve as many clients as they can handle and the /home directory is on the single shared drive. For minimal cost gigabit networking could be used between these servers to increase throughput. jr On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 09:51 -0700, Edmond Wong wrote: > Hi, at work we have a few older machines in the range of P2's and P3's > and no money for a server. So I was considering building a cluster to > run K12LTSP. My question is does K12LTSP benefit from being run on a > cluster? I've found articles on how to setup K12LTSP with OpenMosix or > Beowulf, but no one confirming the results of doing it. It will > definitely be better than running it on a single computer, but does > K12LTSP scale well enough on a cluster that it can replace a good server? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 19:26:16 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:26:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/7/06, David Trask wrote: > Wow! You have essentially discovered the holy grail of classroom > management in computers! The new TeacherTool essentially does all the > same things as the commercial programs like Apple Remote Desktop and the > various PC offerings. I just installed and tried it and was very happy > with what it does! You ROCK! Thanks David. I appreciate your encouragement. Hopefully, the experimental status of the Monitor/Control feature will be removed when the required vnc module and gcc/c++ libs are built inside the ltsp-tree. > > Now...with regard to the "two server" issue....I have discovered another > program called "fanout" which allows me to run ssh and thus commands > (non-interactive) on two servers at once. I can now use a script I wrote > called "stop" to log off and entire class of users on both servers with > only one command being execute from a terminal on one server. More info > here: > > http://www.stearns.org/fanout/README.html I'll check it out. The next few months are going to be a little busy for me as my wife and I are expecting our second child at the end of May. Maybe after things settle down (in the fall) I'll look into adding multiple server support. I'm also hoping to try Edubuntu and see if i can make a port. > > It would require the setup in that the servers would need "keys" but once > that was done maybe there's a way to get Fl_TeacherTool to run some things > on more than one server? Just an idea. > Yeah, I looked into using ssh keys before. I'm postive it's possible. But it would mean pretty much modifying most of my code and lots of testing. I need TIME. Something I don't have much of right now. > If you go to LinuxWorld Boston....I want to buy you a beer! :-) > Thanks. I live in Vancouver. Boston is too far for me. If there is one on the west coast in the future I'll take you up on it. Although, I would prefer a cappiccino :-) -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 22:04:43 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:04:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560603071404i26e9ef7aoa828966aafe67734@mail.gmail.com> Hey Robert, i got your chat after you signed off. To answer your question, not yet. I'm not really sure where I've gone wrong. Did I ever tell you that to get vnc broadcasting I had to borrow vnc.so from a 32-bit install? Maybe that has something to do with it. And maybe Eric can test Fl_TT on his el4 x86_64 setup. I guess the first suspect is the libgcc inconsistency. > Not sure about this version of > libgcc_s_3.4.3-200..... > I do not see it in k12ltsp 4.2.1EL This is from our server which is EL4.2 x86_64 with LTSP installed on top. [root at mail ~]# ls -l /lib | grep libgcc -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 30792 Jun 9 2005 libgcc_s-3.4.3-20050228.so.1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Sep 7 13:33 libgcc_s.so.1 -> libgcc_s-3.4.3-20050228.so.1 [root at k12linux admin]# rpm -qa | grep libgcc libgcc-3.4.3-22.1 compat-libgcc-296-2.96-132.7.2 libgcc-3.4.3-22.1 I guess I should update to the latest libgcc. I wonder if I can just update this one without updating everything? I've been meaning to do full backup and do an update. Maybe this is the time. Thanks, Peter On 3/7/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/7/06, David Trask wrote: > > Wow! You have essentially discovered the holy grail of classroom > > management in computers! The new TeacherTool essentially does all the > > same things as the commercial programs like Apple Remote Desktop and the > > various PC offerings. I just installed and tried it and was very happy > > with what it does! You ROCK! > > Thanks David. I appreciate your encouragement. Hopefully, the > experimental status of the Monitor/Control feature will be removed > when the required vnc module and gcc/c++ libs are built inside the > ltsp-tree. > > > > > Now...with regard to the "two server" issue....I have discovered another > > program called "fanout" which allows me to run ssh and thus commands > > (non-interactive) on two servers at once. I can now use a script I wrote > > called "stop" to log off and entire class of users on both servers with > > only one command being execute from a terminal on one server. More info > > here: > > > > http://www.stearns.org/fanout/README.html > > I'll check it out. The next few months are going to be a little busy > for me as my wife and I are expecting our second child at the end of > May. Maybe after things settle down (in the fall) I'll look into > adding multiple server support. I'm also hoping to try Edubuntu and > see if i can make a port. > > > > > It would require the setup in that the servers would need "keys" but once > > that was done maybe there's a way to get Fl_TeacherTool to run some things > > on more than one server? Just an idea. > > > > Yeah, I looked into using ssh keys before. I'm postive it's possible. > But it would mean pretty much modifying most of my code and lots of > testing. I need TIME. Something I don't have much of right now. > > > If you go to LinuxWorld Boston....I want to buy you a beer! :-) > > > > Thanks. I live in Vancouver. Boston is too far for me. If there is one > on the west coast in the future I'll take you up on it. Although, I > would prefer a cappiccino :-) > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 23:06:39 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:06:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released In-Reply-To: <9bd317560603071404i26e9ef7aoa828966aafe67734@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560603071404i26e9ef7aoa828966aafe67734@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/7/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Robert, > i got your chat after you signed off. To answer your question, not > yet. I'm not really sure where I've gone wrong. Did I ever tell you > that to get vnc broadcasting I had to borrow vnc.so from a 32-bit > install? Maybe that has something to do with it. And maybe Eric can > test Fl_TT on his el4 x86_64 setup. I guess the first suspect is the > libgcc inconsistency. > I also suspect it's because you are running 64bit. Since, I copied the vnc.so, libgcc and libstdc++ from outside the ltsp-tree (the main OS) it worked because both are 32 bit. But if your ltsp-tree LBE is 32bit and the main OS is 64bit then you can't copy them. Although, I have no experience with x86_64 so I could be totally wrong. > I guess I should update to the latest libgcc. I wonder if I can just > update this one without updating everything? I've been meaning to do > full backup and do an update. Maybe this is the time. > My advice is don't start changing to many things around. Sometimes you may make things worse. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 8 00:04:38 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:04:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP Message-ID: <440E1F96.9090406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> After beating my head against the monitor for a couple of weeks, I made a big break-through today on producing a Fedora Core 5 version of K12LTSP. (based on FC5 test 3) This is very rough around the edges and has many obvious, glaring bugs. But with a little TLC, it has been known to boot a terminal or two. If you are one of those crazy and foolish types that like to wreak your computer with known-broken, pre-alpha software, here is where I have placed the voodoo: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . Notes: Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next build. Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux. I'll fix this in the next build as well. I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they work or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are broken. I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have no idea if they work or not. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 253 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Mar 8 01:27:19 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:27:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Local Apps How many use this? Message-ID: <61358.70.96.69.243.1141781239.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello List, Just wondering how many are running local apps, on their clients? Has anyone done any stats, as far as can you run x more clients on a particular server by running local apps on cleints that have enough soup to get the job done? We havent delved into local apps, but thought it may be something worth giving a shot, if someone has postive things to say , "in the real world" as far as benefits of it. I guess one reason is, it seems now that I have been tinkering with Imacs as thin clients, it seems the Mac's pulls down the servers more, for the same number of clients, vesus, PC's. Maybe its my imagination.? Would it be the Mac kernel. takes more I/O's? Dont have a clue, I guess? Any comments, appreciated. Take Care, Barry Cisna From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 01:41:44 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 07:11:44 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and clustering In-Reply-To: <440DBA03.4060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <440DBA03.4060005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <774593a20603071741g4099453cw@mail.gmail.com> On 07/03/06, Edmond Wong wrote: > Hi, at work we have a few older machines in the range of P2's and P3's > and no money for a server. So I was considering building a cluster to > run K12LTSP. My question is does K12LTSP benefit from being run on a > cluster? I've found articles on how to setup K12LTSP with OpenMosix or > Beowulf, but no one confirming the results of doing it. It will > definitely be better than running it on a single computer, but does > K12LTSP scale well enough on a cluster that it can replace a good server? K12LTSP can be clustered with OpenMosix and you can use the graphic tools in OpenMosix to see the lloads and processes being transefrred. Problem is that the appliations you want to run should be "aware". In the past I had build this cluster of a P4 and two P3's but an OpenOffice document that was open died the moment it got shifted from one node to another on the cluster. I did not get chance to go much deeper on this due to hardware not being available. If you do go ahead and get to a useability point do post your experience. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Mar 8 04:56:59 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:56:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Multimedia on Thin Clients Message-ID: <440E641B.50009@snarlnet.com> Hi, I'd like to be able to view more types of video clips on my thin clients. Is anyone here having luck with mpeg video with sound? I'd like to store video clips on the server and view them on the clients. I'd be creating the video from scratch so I can use whatever codecs work. If you've got video clips playing I'd like to know: what k12ltsp version what window manager/desktop environment what video player and version what audio settings what video settings what format are the videos - what audio and video codecs any special tricks you did to make it work. I suppose that's too much to ask, but I'm really curious about how to get video playing on my TC's. I haven't had any luck at all using mplayer, realplayer or xine. Gnome or KDE on the latest stabe k12ltsp distro. ck From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 11:25:35 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 03:25:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Multimedia on Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <440E641B.50009@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <20060308112535.66397.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to be able to view more types of video > clips on my thin > clients. Is anyone here having luck with mpeg video > with sound? I'd > like to store video clips on the server and view > them on the clients. > I'd be creating the video from scratch so I can use > whatever codecs > work. If you've got video clips playing I'd like to > know: > > what k12ltsp version > what window manager/desktop environment > what video player and version > what audio settings > what video settings > what format are the videos - what audio and video > codecs > any special tricks you did to make it work. > > I suppose that's too much to ask, but I'm really > curious about how to > get video playing on my TC's. I haven't had any > luck at all using > mplayer, realplayer or xine. Gnome or KDE on the > latest stabe k12ltsp > distro. > > ck Carl, Try videolan (aka VLC), which is available via yum/yumex in either extras or livna (I forget which). I never could get mplayer to work on thin clients (I was trying to play wmv and quicktime files)... it kept locking up the thin client sessions. VLC worked really well for all movie file types once I got the video settings right. (Setting the video output module to "simple directmedia layer" worked for me.) This is on K12LTSP 4.4.1 in GNOME, with audio already working on the thin client (via ESD). I haven't tried VLC yet in KDE. David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 8 13:36:08 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:36:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Multimedia on Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <440E641B.50009@snarlnet.com> References: <440E641B.50009@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <98766F0C-1701-41DD-9A37-613FCF7EB2E6@inlandlakes.org> On Mar 7, 2006, at 11:56 PM, Carl Keil wrote: > what k12ltsp version 4.0.1 -- I didn't upgrade last summer. I took the, "if it works, don't fix it" approach. I'll be upgrading this coming summer, but we have 4.0.1 until then. > what window manager/desktop environment IceWM. I was concerned about server load and network speed. I have about 125-150 thin client booting from one server, and I didn't want to waste bandwidth and CPU cycles on KDE or Gnome. Plus, IceWM looks really nice! > what video player and version mplayer. I think a pre-1 version, but I'm not positive. (I just checked, it's: MPlayer 1.0pre7-3.3.2) > what audio settings esd sound, specified in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf (ao=esd) > what video settings in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf (vo=xvidix,xv,x11) > what format are the videos Pretty much any format. I had to download a special "codec set" in order to play things like Apple Quicktime Trailers. I think it was called w32codecs or something. I downloaded it from the mplayer website, and had to install it in the /usr/lib/win32. That location may be arbitrary, I don't remember. > any special tricks you did to make it work. I did have to complile it in order to get esd support. Also, I installed (via compile again I think... maybe I got an rpm somewhere) mplayerplug-in so that embedded video works in firefox. It's awesome. Seriously. With long video clips, the audio can lag a bit behind the video, but it's possible that could be fixed with tweaking, I dunno. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From atmlogic at kmts.ca Wed Mar 8 14:01:21 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:01:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin In-Reply-To: <440D9397.9070903@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <200603081501.k28F1tbk007547@mx1.redhat.com> I would like to deploy this to a small school for a K-4 enviroment...(20-30 Client) I think its important to have sound at this level, so that is one part. Now... If they are starting with nothing, should they try to round up a whole load of mix and match PC's or go all, brand new thin clinets? If new and thin... What do you recommend? Wyse, Compaq, Dell? Thanks, From bvangurp at pvhs.sad31.k12.me.us Wed Mar 8 16:37:03 2006 From: bvangurp at pvhs.sad31.k12.me.us (Barry Van Gurp) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:37:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up the dummy print queue Message-ID: <000801c642ce$8840eb90$6405a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> Would like some specifics on how to setup a dummy print queue, the one that has been mentioned in several postings. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Barry Van Gurp MSAD 31, Howland Maine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Mar 8 16:51:29 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:51:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin In-Reply-To: <200603081501.k28F1tbk007547@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200603081501.k28F1tbk007547@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1141836689.12814.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 08:01 -0600, ATM Logic wrote: > I would like to deploy this to a small school for a K-4 enviroment...(20-30 > Client) > If sound is important, I would suggest going with an IceWM or Gnome desktop environment and esd sound. I know David Trask and other of my friends up in Maine will probably advocate nasd rather than esd, but you will get great support either way from this list. > I think its important to have sound at this level, so that is one part. > Now... If they are starting with nothing, should they try to round up a > whole load of mix and match PC's or go all, brand new thin clinets? If new > and thin... What do you recommend? Wyse, Compaq, Dell? > If you are planning on having a lab for many years and are starting fresh, you will save yourself a lot of time and aggravation going with new thin clients. It will also impress parents/teachers/kids/decision makers a lot more. That said, if you don't have the budget and would like to reuse old equipment, note that if sound is important, make sure that all the sound cards are PCI (*not* ISA) and that they work well in Linux. In terms of diskless thin client products, you can check out: 1. DisklessWorkstations.com (owned/operated by LTSP founders Jim McQuillan and Ron Colcernian) 2. DisklessThinClients.com ( a brand new store operated by Symbio Technologies - also a member of the core LTSP development team, but stocked with thin clients from many manufacturers. There is a nice compare feature - if I do say so myself - where you can compare a variety of models side-by-side ) Hopefully, that should get you started. Cheers, -Gideon > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed Mar 8 16:58:53 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 08:58:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin In-Reply-To: <1141836689.12814.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200603081501.k28F1tbk007547@mx1.redhat.com> <1141836689.12814.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <440F0D4D.6040206@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Gideon Romm wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 08:01 -0600, ATM Logic wrote: >> I would like to deploy this to a small school for a K-4 enviroment...(20-30 >> Client) >> > > If sound is important, I would suggest going with an IceWM or Gnome > desktop environment and esd sound. I know David Trask and other of my > friends up in Maine will probably advocate nasd rather than esd, but you > will get great support either way from this list. > Just a quick side-note to this: ESD will work with KDE as well as Gnome and IceWM, which should provide more choice to you in your deployment. The following link works perfectly on my SuSE-based LTSP system without any rebuilding, and I get all the advantages of KDE along with sound. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#aRts Cheers, Mike From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Mar 8 17:22:18 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:22:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Multimedia on Thin Clients Message-ID: <33847.172.28.8.55.1141838538.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hi Carl, We are running mostly K12LTSP v. 4.2.0 but also video works on 4.4.1 as well. I wound up RPMing everything and installed both Mplayer as well as Xine-ui Xine works fine with embedded video,and plays all video formats,as Shawn mentioned. WE use Mplayer to play video "locally". I can give you our ftp site,,if you like as i have all the RPMs on there and you could download them all, There are several,you have to install to make it all work. Let me know. Hope this helps. Barry Cisna From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Mar 8 17:26:38 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:26:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Webcam on thin clients Message-ID: <34971.172.28.8.55.1141838798.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, Could anyone give any tips on if anyone has gotten USB webcam's to work on thin clients? I would like to try for testing through Gnomemeeting to our Distance Learning TV / H324. I can connect fine through Gnoemeeting with it , no probs. Im not sure a USB cam will be detected correctly through a thin client? im guessing by adding some modules in lts.conf file it could be hacked enough to make it happen. Anyone tryed this? K12LTSP v 4.2.0 Take Care, Barry Cisna From moquist at majen.net Wed Mar 8 17:34:57 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:34:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: K12LTSP and clustering (Edmond Wong) In-Reply-To: <20060308170037.B1BFF741B0@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060308170037.B1BFF741B0@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060308173457.GA10038@majen.net> > From: Edmond Wong > Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and clustering > Hi, at work we have a few older machines in the range of P2's and P3's > and no money for a server. So I was considering building a cluster to > run K12LTSP. My question is does K12LTSP benefit from being run on a > cluster? I've found articles on how to setup K12LTSP with OpenMosix or > Beowulf, but no one confirming the results of doing it. It will > definitely be better than running it on a single computer, but does > K12LTSP scale well enough on a cluster that it can replace a good server? At the Ubuntu Below Zero conference we heard a presentation by Ivan Krstic, who is using OpenSSI clustering to serve LTSP in a Croatian hospital. I don't know what came of it, but it looked at the time like Edubuntu may be heading toward making clustering available OOTB, and OpenSSI was at least under consideration. If I were to look into clustering LTSP, OpenSSI is probably where I'd start. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Mar 8 17:42:35 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:42:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin In-Reply-To: <200603081501.k28F1tbk007547@mx1.redhat.com> References: <440D9397.9070903@inlandlakes.org> <200603081501.k28F1tbk007547@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <55332.169.244.70.146.1141839755.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> if you can manage disklessworkstaions.com machines..that is the way to go since its existence is principally to fund ltsp.. the support is excellent since the principal authors of ltsp developed these machines and know em inside and out..chyuck From robark at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 18:13:34 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:13:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up the dummy print queue In-Reply-To: <000801c642ce$8840eb90$6405a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> References: <000801c642ce$8840eb90$6405a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> Message-ID: On 3/8/06, Barry Van Gurp wrote: > > > Would like some specifics on how to setup a dummy print queue, the one that > has been mentioned in several postings. Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. use system-config-printer choose to add a new printer when you get to "queue type" click "custom device" and type in /dev/null Then if you want make it default. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Mar 8 18:30:02 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:30:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up the dummy print queue In-Reply-To: References: <000801c642ce$8840eb90$6405a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> Message-ID: <440F22AA.7080900@paasda.org> Just an FYI by making that default it trains them to SELECT a printer =) so if you have multiple labs they aren't printing to Lab A's printer because you have it setup as the default. Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/8/06, Barry Van Gurp wrote: > >> >>Would like some specifics on how to setup a dummy print queue, the one that >>has been mentioned in several postings. Any suggestions would be greatly >>appreciated. > > > use system-config-printer > choose to add a new printer > when you get to "queue type" click "custom device" and type in /dev/null > Then if you want make it default. > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From bthomas at psysolutions.com Wed Mar 8 18:21:01 2006 From: bthomas at psysolutions.com (Brad Thomas) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:21:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up the dummy print queue In-Reply-To: <440F22AA.7080900@paasda.org> References: <000801c642ce$8840eb90$6405a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> <440F22AA.7080900@paasda.org> Message-ID: <440F208D.4010204@psysolutions.com> Thanks for sending that. I couldn't figure out why someone would want a que like that. Makes sense now though and something that I can certainly use here. Huck wrote: > Just an FYI > > by making that default it trains them to SELECT a printer =) > so if you have multiple labs they aren't printing to Lab A's printer > because you have it setup as the default. > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> On 3/8/06, Barry Van Gurp wrote: >> >>> >>> Would like some specifics on how to setup a dummy print queue, the >>> one that >>> has been mentioned in several postings. Any suggestions would be >>> greatly >>> appreciated. >> >> >> >> use system-config-printer >> choose to add a new printer >> when you get to "queue type" click "custom device" and type in /dev/null >> Then if you want make it default. >> -- >> Robert Arkiletian >> C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 18:22:43 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:22:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Multimedia on Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <98766F0C-1701-41DD-9A37-613FCF7EB2E6@inlandlakes.org> References: <440E641B.50009@snarlnet.com> <98766F0C-1701-41DD-9A37-613FCF7EB2E6@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On 3/8/06, Shawn Powers wrote: > IceWM. I was concerned about server load and network speed. I have > about 125-150 thin client booting from one server, and I didn't want > to waste bandwidth and CPU cycles on KDE or Gnome. Plus, IceWM looks > really nice! Do you mind me asking the specs (cpu, ram , drives, mb ) of your server that supports 150 clients simultaneously? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 8 18:23:36 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:23:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Multimedia on Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <33847.172.28.8.55.1141838538.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <33847.172.28.8.55.1141838538.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <440F2128.3040607@inlandlakes.org> cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > I wound up RPMing everything and installed both Mplayer as well as Xine-ui > Xine works fine with embedded video,and plays all video formats,as Shawn Do you have a problem with audio/video not being in sync? I've never used Xine-ui for embedded video (or at all for that matter), so I'm curious if that makes it better. Do you use Xine or mplayer, or both? What is the dividing line in what application gets used? (Sorry to drill you, I'm just curious how someone else did it. :) -Shawn, who would like those RPMs as summer break approaches... -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 8 18:26:32 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:26:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Webcam on thin clients In-Reply-To: <34971.172.28.8.55.1141838798.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <34971.172.28.8.55.1141838798.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <440F21D8.4030802@inlandlakes.org> cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > im guessing by adding some modules in lts.conf file it could > be hacked enough to make it happen. > Anyone tryed this? Hmm... I'm thinking that gnomemeeting (or whatever it's new name is) would have to be a local app or some such thing. If it were a local app, it should see the USB device. I'm not sure loading the right modules in lts.conf would be enough (although it would be needed I'm sure), because the USB device wouldn't be a "local" device to gnomemeeting running on the server. I've never done local apps before, so I don't know if that's feasible, but I'm not sure how sound would work either, if you're using ESD plus wanting local sound... Good luck! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 8 18:38:03 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:38:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] My server (Was: Multimedia on Thin Clients) In-Reply-To: References: <440E641B.50009@snarlnet.com> <98766F0C-1701-41DD-9A37-613FCF7EB2E6@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <440F248B.9050902@inlandlakes.org> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Do you mind me asking the specs (cpu, ram , drives, mb ) of your > server that supports 150 clients simultaneously? No problem -- but it's important to realize that about half of that many are being used at one time (I'm guessing), and some are just used to start an rdesktop session. They are all booted up, and I haven't noticed any terrible slow downs yet. I have a Dual Xeon 3.2Ghz machine with 2MB cache. The drives are SCSI U320 in a Raid5 array (hardware RAID), and the /home directory is mounted via NFS over the second gigabit ethernet adapter. It has 6GB of RAM, but since I'm running a stock 4.0.1 install, only 4GB is recognized. A big plus is that the /home directory is mounted from that second ethernet port -- so all /home traffic is separate from all LTSP traffic. I use a very spartan IceWM desktop, and don't load nautilus by default. It is a button on the toolbar, so users can browse their files with it, but it doesn't automatically load. Also, I use XDM rather than KDM or GDM -- I'm not sure if that lessens the load any, but it sure leaves it simple. Just a login box with no choices. :) It's actually worked so well that I haven't felt a need to upgrade. I will upgrade this summer, because I plan to move my user accounts onto an OSX server, and authenticate from it. (This is to accomodate my eMacs, not because there is anything wrong with my current NIS authentication scheme) On a comical note, I've had to reinstall the Windows Terminal Server twice. It went live at the same time the LTSP box did. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Mar 8 18:50:43 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:50:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec Message-ID: I was reading an article about a test conducted by Symantec (Maker of Norton AV...and other stuff) and this paragraph caught my eye.... Windows XP Professional, said Symantec, stays safe just one hour and 12 seconds, while the Windows 2000 Server (with SP4) made it an hour and 17 minutes. An unpatched Windows Server 2003 system lasted somewhat longer. In contrast, unpatched Linux installations of both Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 and SuSE Linux 9 Desktop were never compromised during their month-and-a-half exposure to attackers. The entire article is here http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20060308/tc_cmp/181501722;_ylt=AhJkTGJ9tXH5Y5Q8lrKhf1kjtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA-- David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From robark at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 20:16:04 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:16:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] My server (Was: Multimedia on Thin Clients) In-Reply-To: <440F248B.9050902@inlandlakes.org> References: <440E641B.50009@snarlnet.com> <98766F0C-1701-41DD-9A37-613FCF7EB2E6@inlandlakes.org> <440F248B.9050902@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On 3/8/06, Shawn Powers wrote: > > I have a Dual Xeon 3.2Ghz machine with 2MB cache. The drives are SCSI > U320 in a Raid5 array (hardware RAID), and the /home directory is > mounted via NFS over the second gigabit ethernet adapter. It has 6GB of > RAM, but since I'm running a stock 4.0.1 install, only 4GB is recognized. Thanks Shawn. I think the smp kernel that comes with 4.2.2EL can handle upto 64G of ram. I have 4G. With RH9 it saw 3.6G, with Centos 4 it sees all 4. RH9 had a bigmem kernel which was smp enabled but the 2.6 kernels have a hugemem kernel. But then Centos does not have hugemem, just smp (which acts like hugemem) so it can see upto 64G. Mind you these 32bit kernels use tricks to access addresses over 3.6G. True x86_64 does not have the performance hit that these tricks require. Not to mention be able to address a *GIGANTIC* amount of ram. > I use a very spartan IceWM desktop, and don't load nautilus by default. > It is a button on the toolbar, so users can browse their files with > it, but it doesn't automatically load. Also, I use XDM rather than KDM > or GDM -- I'm not sure if that lessens the load any, but it sure leaves > it simple. Just a login box with no choices. :) Did you follow the xdm chooser how to in the wiki http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AXdmChooser Wondering how you made xdm default? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 8 20:42:37 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:42:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] My server (Was: Multimedia on Thin Clients) In-Reply-To: References: <440E641B.50009@snarlnet.com> <98766F0C-1701-41DD-9A37-613FCF7EB2E6@inlandlakes.org> <440F248B.9050902@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <70B8F003-B536-46E6-AA55-A3902AECD6A0@inlandlakes.org> On Mar 8, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Did you follow the xdm chooser how to in the wiki No, I only have the one server -- so no choices needed. ;) > Wondering how you made xdm default? It's been almost 2 years now... but I think I just removed the rpms for KDM and GDM, then mangled the Xsession file to log in and use IceWM (no choices, just hard coded IceWM) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 21:27:06 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:27:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560603071404i26e9ef7aoa828966aafe67734@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560603081327g77157b8ave3dd8b3b1be480bb@mail.gmail.com> I have ssh keys set up so that I can ssh into my terminal locally. I'm trying to get some specific info as to why vnc.so isn't loading at startup. So when i ssh in to the terminal and do insmod vnc.so i I get this: -sh-2.05b$ insmod /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so: ELF file /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so not a relocatable object -sh-2.05b$ What does this mean? Thanks! Peter On 3/7/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/7/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Hey Robert, > > i got your chat after you signed off. To answer your question, not > > yet. I'm not really sure where I've gone wrong. Did I ever tell you > > that to get vnc broadcasting I had to borrow vnc.so from a 32-bit > > install? Maybe that has something to do with it. And maybe Eric can > > test Fl_TT on his el4 x86_64 setup. I guess the first suspect is the > > libgcc inconsistency. > > > > I also suspect it's because you are running 64bit. Since, I copied the > vnc.so, libgcc and libstdc++ from outside the ltsp-tree (the main OS) > it worked because both are 32 bit. But if your ltsp-tree LBE is 32bit > and the main OS is 64bit then you can't copy them. Although, I have no > experience with x86_64 so I could be totally wrong. > > > I guess I should update to the latest libgcc. I wonder if I can just > > update this one without updating everything? I've been meaning to do > > full backup and do an update. Maybe this is the time. > > > > My advice is don't start changing to many things around. Sometimes you > may make things worse. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thepiano at telenet.be Wed Mar 8 21:37:53 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:37:53 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Web and mailserver Message-ID: <64662A5D-7037-4C5F-91C1-C5FB636C0608@telenet.be> Hello, a question completly offlist but quite urgent as our main server is a little dying..... What kind of a setup would you prefer as web/mail and ftp server? At this moment we're running a collocated server (as it is located for free). (intel celeron 2.53 with 512 RAM and two HD RAID 80 Gb) Th use of the server is primary email for about 500 accounts, and a lot of photo-based websites, some of them with flash video) (example-site: http://sint-lutgardis.be ) One of my headmasters (who's in charge for IT) would love too see us going back to a providerbased webhosting, or at least using a dedicated service. What are your experiences with web/mail serving? (our schools in belgium do not have T3 lines ;-) we only have ADSL with 384 Kb upload) Your input will be highly appreciated. Kindly Regards, Kevin Verheyen IT Departement SG RUPEL Belgium kevin at sint-lutgardis.be From robark at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 23:19:50 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:19:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released In-Reply-To: <9bd317560603081327g77157b8ave3dd8b3b1be480bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560603071404i26e9ef7aoa828966aafe67734@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560603081327g77157b8ave3dd8b3b1be480bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/8/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I have ssh keys set up so that I can ssh into my terminal locally. > I'm trying to get some specific info as to why vnc.so isn't loading at > startup. So when i ssh in to the terminal and do insmod vnc.so i I > get this: > > -sh-2.05b$ insmod /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so > /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so: ELF file > /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so not a relocatable object > -sh-2.05b$ > > What does this mean? I don't think you can load vnc.so that way. vnc.so is an X11 module. It gets loaded when the client starts X. My site has instructions how to load it. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Mar 8 23:29:42 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:29:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Webcam on thin clients Message-ID: <1141860582.3367.3.camel@server1.cisna> Hi Shawn, Ive been able to actually get Gnomemeeting working on a thin client, to connect to our Polycom/NetTV h324 no probs, without even running local apps. I need to find a webcam/usb which i know we have one somewere in the pile, to see if i can get the thin to detect it. If I have any success Ill post back here. I didnt know if anyone had tried this and could steer me in some direction. Take Care, Barry Cisna From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Mar 9 09:00:55 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:00:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603090900.55202.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 08 Mar 2006 18:50, David Trask wrote: > I was reading an article about a test conducted by Symantec (Maker of > Norton AV...and other stuff) and this paragraph caught my eye.... > > Windows XP Professional, said Symantec, stays safe just one hour and 12 > seconds, while the > Windows 2000 Server (with SP4) made it an hour and 17 minutes. An > unpatched Windows Server 2003 system lasted somewhat longer. I'm surprised the XP box lasted that long. I've been re-installing a bunch of our XP boxes this week, the sequence being install XP, install the NIC drivers, install A/V software, activate, patch, install office, etc, etc. In 3 of the 4 cases, the box has becomee infected before I can install the A/V software (which is being installed from a shared drive). These boxes are being infected within the first few seconds of them being able to talk to the network. I've taken great delight in showing this to the staff - some are finally realising that M$ is insecure and Linux is very secure. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From nik at phihong.com.br Thu Mar 9 10:17:05 2006 From: nik at phihong.com.br (Nik Bold) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:17:05 -0300 Subject: RES: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec In-Reply-To: <200603090900.55202.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <000101c64362$9e6c1fe0$6f01a8c0@phihong.brasil> I wouldn?t be so happy!!! You have an infected machine on your local network!! -----Mensagem original----- De: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de Martin Woolley Enviada em: quinta-feira, 9 de mar?o de 2006 06:01 Para: Support list for opensource software in schools. Assunto: Re: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec On Wednesday 08 Mar 2006 18:50, David Trask wrote: > I was reading an article about a test conducted by Symantec (Maker of > Norton AV...and other stuff) and this paragraph caught my eye.... > > Windows XP Professional, said Symantec, stays safe just one hour and 12 > seconds, while the > Windows 2000 Server (with SP4) made it an hour and 17 minutes. An > unpatched Windows Server 2003 system lasted somewhat longer. I'm surprised the XP box lasted that long. I've been re-installing a bunch of our XP boxes this week, the sequence being install XP, install the NIC drivers, install A/V software, activate, patch, install office, etc, etc. In 3 of the 4 cases, the box has becomee infected before I can install the A/V software (which is being installed from a shared drive). These boxes are being infected within the first few seconds of them being able to talk to the network. I've taken great delight in showing this to the staff - some are finally realising that M$ is insecure and Linux is very secure. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Mar 9 14:02:23 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:02:23 -0500 Subject: RES: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec In-Reply-To: <000101c64362$9e6c1fe0$6f01a8c0@phihong.brasil> References: <000101c64362$9e6c1fe0$6f01a8c0@phihong.brasil> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, March 9, 2006 at 5:17 AM +0000 wrote: >I wouldn?t be so happy!!! You have an infected machine on your local >network!! No kidding! That was his point! ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Mar 9 14:02:23 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:02:23 -0500 Subject: RES: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec In-Reply-To: <000101c64362$9e6c1fe0$6f01a8c0@phihong.brasil> References: <000101c64362$9e6c1fe0$6f01a8c0@phihong.brasil> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, March 9, 2006 at 5:17 AM +0000 wrote: >I wouldn?t be so happy!!! You have an infected machine on your local >network!! No kidding! That was his point! ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From nik at phihong.com.br Thu Mar 9 14:12:42 2006 From: nik at phihong.com.br (Nik Bold) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:12:42 -0300 Subject: RES: RES: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c64383$87ed4b10$6f01a8c0@phihong.brasil> It just proves that the virus is well written :-) -----Mensagem original----- De: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] Em nome de David Trask Enviada em: quinta-feira, 9 de mar?o de 2006 11:02 Para: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Assunto: Re: RES: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, March 9, 2006 at 5:17 AM +0000 wrote: >I wouldn?t be so happy!!! You have an infected machine on your local >network!! No kidding! That was his point! ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From atmlogic at kmts.ca Thu Mar 9 14:50:46 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:50:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin In-Reply-To: <1141836689.12814.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200603091451.k29EpHTW031176@mx1.redhat.com> Thanks for the reply's One of the other reasons I ask is we can pick up about 50 or so IBM's preloaded with XP Home for about the cost of a ThinClient (about $200ish) They are 1.8G with 256Mb. My thought is to grab them up, and have a load of spares... HOWEVER they make that much more noise, and are already 2-3 years old... -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Gideon Romm Sent: March 8, 2006 10:51 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 08:01 -0600, ATM Logic wrote: > I would like to deploy this to a small school for a K-4 > enviroment...(20-30 > Client) > If sound is important, I would suggest going with an IceWM or Gnome desktop environment and esd sound. I know David Trask and other of my friends up in Maine will probably advocate nasd rather than esd, but you will get great support either way from this list. > I think its important to have sound at this level, so that is one part. > Now... If they are starting with nothing, should they try to round up > a whole load of mix and match PC's or go all, brand new thin clinets? > If new and thin... What do you recommend? Wyse, Compaq, Dell? > If you are planning on having a lab for many years and are starting fresh, you will save yourself a lot of time and aggravation going with new thin clients. It will also impress parents/teachers/kids/decision makers a lot more. That said, if you don't have the budget and would like to reuse old equipment, note that if sound is important, make sure that all the sound cards are PCI (*not* ISA) and that they work well in Linux. In terms of diskless thin client products, you can check out: 1. DisklessWorkstations.com (owned/operated by LTSP founders Jim McQuillan and Ron Colcernian) 2. DisklessThinClients.com ( a brand new store operated by Symbio Technologies - also a member of the core LTSP development team, but stocked with thin clients from many manufacturers. There is a nice compare feature - if I do say so myself - where you can compare a variety of models side-by-side ) Hopefully, that should get you started. Cheers, -Gideon > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Thu Mar 9 15:14:16 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:14:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin In-Reply-To: <200603091451.k29EpHTW031176@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200603091451.k29EpHTW031176@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44104648.7080807@maltzen.net> Not too mention the fact that managing 50 Windows machines (fat clients) is A LOT more work than managing 50 thin clients. With thin clients, you manage one box, the server. With 50 Windows boxes, you'll have *50 times* the workload. That's not an exaggeration. So, the Windows boxes will cost you a lot more than just the initial purchase. Or did you mean that you'd use the IBM's as thin clients? ATM Logic wrote: > Thanks for the reply's One of the other reasons I ask is we can pick up > about 50 or so IBM's preloaded with XP Home for about the cost of a > ThinClient (about $200ish) They are 1.8G with 256Mb. My thought is to grab > them up, and have a load of spares... HOWEVER they make that much more > noise, and are already 2-3 years old... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Gideon Romm > Sent: March 8, 2006 10:51 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin > > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 08:01 -0600, ATM Logic wrote: >> I would like to deploy this to a small school for a K-4 >> enviroment...(20-30 >> Client) >> > > If sound is important, I would suggest going with an IceWM or Gnome desktop > environment and esd sound. I know David Trask and other of my friends up in > Maine will probably advocate nasd rather than esd, but you will get great > support either way from this list. > >> I think its important to have sound at this level, so that is one part. >> Now... If they are starting with nothing, should they try to round up >> a whole load of mix and match PC's or go all, brand new thin clinets? >> If new and thin... What do you recommend? Wyse, Compaq, Dell? >> > > If you are planning on having a lab for many years and are starting fresh, > you will save yourself a lot of time and aggravation going with new thin > clients. It will also impress parents/teachers/kids/decision makers a lot > more. > > That said, if you don't have the budget and would like to reuse old > equipment, note that if sound is important, make sure that all the sound > cards are PCI (*not* ISA) and that they work well in Linux. > > In terms of diskless thin client products, you can check out: > > 1. DisklessWorkstations.com (owned/operated by LTSP founders Jim McQuillan > and Ron Colcernian) 2. DisklessThinClients.com ( a brand new store operated > by Symbio Technologies - also a member of the core LTSP development team, > but stocked with thin clients from many manufacturers. There is a nice > compare feature - if I do say so myself - where you can compare a variety of > models side-by-side ) > > Hopefully, that should get you started. > > Cheers, > > -Gideon > >> Thanks, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From roy at mpk.com Thu Mar 9 15:12:52 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:12:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <440E1F96.9090406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200603091559.k29FxSAP030857@mx3.redhat.com> Eric, I installed this yesterday. There seems to be a problem with dhcpd. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling dhcpd but with no luck. Is it ok to run the ltspcfg? I did click the check box as you suggested. This is what gets installed that is ltsp: - caching-nameserver-ltsp 7.3-5.k12ltsp.4.2.2 - dhcp-ltsp-config 0.0.5-k12ltsp.4.2.1 - k12ltsp-backgrounds 4.4.0-0 - k12ltsp-core 4.4.0-2 - k12ltsp-education 4.4.2-0 - k12ltsp-extras 4.4.0-1 - k12ltsp-release 4.4.2-0 - k12ltsp-scripts 0.0.1-0.4.2 - k12ltsp-utils 4.4.2-1 - ltsp-config 0.0.33-k12ltsp.5.0.0 - ltsp-desktop-reset 0.0.3-1.k12ltsp.4.1 - ltsp_esound_i386 0.7-k12ltsp.4.2.2EL - ltsp-esound-server 0.7-k12ltsp.0.4.2 - ltsp_floppyd 4.2.1-1.k12ltsp.4.2 - ltsp_i386 4.1.99.cvs022706-0.k12ltsp.0.0.1 - ltsp_ppc 4.0.0-0.k12ltsp.2.4.2 - ltsp_x_vesa 3.0-1.k12ltsp.2.3.0 - vnc-ltsp-config 4.0-3 Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:05 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP After beating my head against the monitor for a couple of weeks, I made a big break-through today on producing a Fedora Core 5 version of K12LTSP. (based on FC5 test 3) This is very rough around the edges and has many obvious, glaring bugs. But with a little TLC, it has been known to boot a terminal or two. If you are one of those crazy and foolish types that like to wreak your computer with known-broken, pre-alpha software, here is where I have placed the voodoo: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . Notes: Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next build. Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux. I'll fix this in the next build as well. I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they work or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are broken. I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have no idea if they work or not. -Eric From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Mar 9 16:26:12 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:26:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] flashplayer 8 enabled sites Message-ID: <36467.172.28.8.55.1141921572.squirrel@172.28.8.55> hello List, Has anyone run into how to get flashplayer 8 enabled sites to work on Mozilla Firefox? This is the first flash site Ive run into that flahplayer didnt work in. It is www iditarod com . it does say on their site it requires Flash #8. Of course the latest flash version being shown (same as if you download) from this site),,is flash #7 for firefox.. One of the teachers that uses K12LTSP here would dearly like to get this to work. Kinda frustrating... Anyone know of a fixup for this? K12LTSP 4.2.0 Take Care Barry Cisna From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Mar 9 16:46:26 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:46:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin In-Reply-To: <200603091451.k29EpHTW031176@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200603091451.k29EpHTW031176@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44105BE2.9070104@paasda.org> Remove HD's, and any extra case fans...Keep just the CPU fan..PXE boot to the server and your life is golden and mostly quiet ;) You should be able to get old used hardware that will function just as well for a thin client for closer to the $50-$75 range...MAYBE as high as $100(I still think a donation drive is best, done by students =)... Also...thin clients are a LOT smaller than those IBMs, workspace constraints? --Huck ATM Logic wrote: > Thanks for the reply's One of the other reasons I ask is we can pick up > about 50 or so IBM's preloaded with XP Home for about the cost of a > ThinClient (about $200ish) They are 1.8G with 256Mb. My thought is to grab > them up, and have a load of spares... HOWEVER they make that much more > noise, and are already 2-3 years old... > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Mar 9 16:50:03 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:50:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec In-Reply-To: <200603090900.55202.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <200603090900.55202.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <44105CBB.7020708@paasda.org> I find this methodology odd. #1 why not use an imaging method...plenty of free ones out there if you can't affoard Ghost. #2 why are you connecting it to THE network before it's fully patched/installed, segment a part for installs only? Martin Woolley wrote: > On Wednesday 08 Mar 2006 18:50, David Trask wrote: > >>I was reading an article about a test conducted by Symantec (Maker of >>Norton AV...and other stuff) and this paragraph caught my eye.... >> >>Windows XP Professional, said Symantec, stays safe just one hour and 12 >>seconds, while the >>Windows 2000 Server (with SP4) made it an hour and 17 minutes. An >>unpatched Windows Server 2003 system lasted somewhat longer. > > > I'm surprised the XP box lasted that long. I've been re-installing a bunch of > our XP boxes this week, the sequence being install XP, install the NIC > drivers, install A/V software, activate, patch, install office, etc, etc. In > 3 of the 4 cases, the box has becomee infected before I can install the A/V > software (which is being installed from a shared drive). These boxes are > being infected within the first few seconds of them being able to talk to the > network. I've taken great delight in showing this to the staff - some are > finally realising that M$ is insecure and Linux is very secure. > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Thu Mar 9 16:55:55 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:55:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] flashplayer 8 enabled sites In-Reply-To: <36467.172.28.8.55.1141921572.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <36467.172.28.8.55.1141921572.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <44105E1B.6000202@saskforestcentre.ca> cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: >hello List, > >Has anyone run into how to get flashplayer 8 enabled sites to work on >Mozilla Firefox? This is the first flash site Ive run into that flahplayer >didnt work in. It is www iditarod com . it does say on their site it >requires Flash #8. >Of course the latest flash version being shown (same as if you download) >from this site),,is flash #7 for firefox.. >One of the teachers that uses K12LTSP here would dearly like to get this >to work. >Kinda frustrating... >Anyone know of a fixup for this? > > For doing such things, you might install WINE, the Windows Firefox, and then the flash 8 plugin for Windows. That can work for the unusual site, but it's not really stable enough for day-to-day stuff. Angus. From trey at fastmail.fm Thu Mar 9 17:16:16 2006 From: trey at fastmail.fm (Trey Sizemore) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:16:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Web and mailserver In-Reply-To: <64662A5D-7037-4C5F-91C1-C5FB636C0608@telenet.be> References: <64662A5D-7037-4C5F-91C1-C5FB636C0608@telenet.be> Message-ID: <20060309171615.GA13332@chameleon> On Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:37PM, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello, > > a question completly offlist but quite urgent as our main server is a little dying..... > > What kind of a setup would you prefer as web/mail and ftp server? > At this moment we're running a collocated server (as it is located for free). (intel celeron 2.53 with 512 RAM and two HD RAID 80 Gb) > Th use of the server is primary email for about 500 accounts, and a lot of photo-based websites, some of them with flash video) > (example-site: http://sint-lutgardis.be ) > > One of my headmasters (who's in charge for IT) would love too see us going back to a providerbased webhosting, or at least using a dedicated service. > > What are your experiences with web/mail serving? > (our schools in belgium do not have T3 lines ;-) we only have ADSL with 384 Kb upload) > > Your input will be highly appreciated. > > Kindly Regards, > > Kevin Verheyen > IT Departement SG RUPEL > Belgium > kevin at sint-lutgardis.be > Not sure I understand the question...are you looking for recommendations for web hosting providers? Or are you looking for experiences with web/mail using a provider. I've had very good success with the providers I've used for hosting of these services. Relatively small downtime. -- Cheers, Trey ---- How much does it cost to entice a dope-smoking UNIX system guru to Dayton? -- Brian Boyle, UNIX/WORLD's First Annual Salary Survey Linux chameleon 2.6.13-15-default i686 GNU/Linux 12:14pm up 1 day 15:04, 4 users, load average: 0.55, 0.58, 0.49 From atmlogic at kmts.ca Thu Mar 9 17:35:41 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:35:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin In-Reply-To: <44104648.7080807@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200603091736.k29Ha9Yl029966@mx1.redhat.com> Ooops... Should have made that more clear... What I was talking about was taking the Cheap Fat Clients, removing the HDD and having them boot from CD to the terminal server. (Or getting boot Rom's or something.... But Yes, using the cheap systems as thin clients, and I have 50 available, but only will need about 20-30 tops. ---Thanks Not too mention the fact that managing 50 Windows machines (fat clients) is A LOT more work than managing 50 thin clients. With thin clients, you manage one box, the server. With 50 Windows boxes, you'll have *50 times* the workload. That's not an exaggeration. So, the Windows boxes will cost you a lot more than just the initial purchase. Or did you mean that you'd use the IBM's as thin clients? ATM Logic wrote: > Thanks for the reply's One of the other reasons I ask is we can pick > up about 50 or so IBM's preloaded with XP Home for about the cost of a > ThinClient (about $200ish) They are 1.8G with 256Mb. My thought is to > grab them up, and have a load of spares... HOWEVER they make that much > more noise, and are already 2-3 years old... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Gideon Romm > Sent: March 8, 2006 10:51 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin > > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 08:01 -0600, ATM Logic wrote: >> I would like to deploy this to a small school for a K-4 >> enviroment...(20-30 >> Client) >> > > If sound is important, I would suggest going with an IceWM or Gnome > desktop environment and esd sound. I know David Trask and other of my > friends up in Maine will probably advocate nasd rather than esd, but > you will get great support either way from this list. > >> I think its important to have sound at this level, so that is one part. >> Now... If they are starting with nothing, should they try to round up >> a whole load of mix and match PC's or go all, brand new thin clinets? >> If new and thin... What do you recommend? Wyse, Compaq, Dell? >> > > If you are planning on having a lab for many years and are starting > fresh, you will save yourself a lot of time and aggravation going with > new thin clients. It will also impress parents/teachers/kids/decision > makers a lot more. > > That said, if you don't have the budget and would like to reuse old > equipment, note that if sound is important, make sure that all the > sound cards are PCI (*not* ISA) and that they work well in Linux. > > In terms of diskless thin client products, you can check out: > > 1. DisklessWorkstations.com (owned/operated by LTSP founders Jim > McQuillan and Ron Colcernian) 2. DisklessThinClients.com ( a brand new > store operated by Symbio Technologies - also a member of the core LTSP > development team, but stocked with thin clients from many > manufacturers. There is a nice compare feature - if I do say so > myself - where you can compare a variety of models side-by-side ) > > Hopefully, that should get you started. > > Cheers, > > -Gideon > >> Thanks, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From k12osn at perusion.com Thu Mar 9 17:43:55 2006 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:43:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Reading comprehension tests for k12ltsp Message-ID: <20060309174355.GA7408@bill.heins.net> Does anyone know of any open-source testing programs for reading level? My cooperating teacher is wanting to implement a program for that next year, and I wasn't able to find anything with a quick Google search. I would think one might input a paper-based test series into Moodle, but I guess I don't know what is available on paper either. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Being against torture ought to be sort of a bipartisan thing. -- Karl Lehenbauer From atmlogic at kmts.ca Thu Mar 9 17:39:21 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:39:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Video issue under MS Virtual Server 2005 In-Reply-To: <200603091559.k29FxSAP030857@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200603091746.k29HkMiW001185@mx1.redhat.com> Yes... I know its just all wrong to be running Linux under windows... But... Well... I am rapidly running out of test boxes :) My issue is this during the install it detected S3 video (no clue from where) but since the install graphics looked great, I said ok, carry on. However now as soon as I get to the GUI the screen is just a mess of what looks like OLD OLD OLD CGA and faint lines... And streched... Just a mess... How can I stop the load of the GUI and "re-select" a new video setup? Thanks. From trond at maehlum.net Thu Mar 9 18:51:40 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:51:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq EVO as thinclient, which sound module? Message-ID: <4410793C.40103@maehlum.net> We have Windows lab with HP/Compaq EVO towers. We would like to be able to boot them as terminals for teaching purposes. The do boot fine, but we can't get the soundcard to play. As far as we can see the drivers in use in Win2K is Audiomax and AC97. We have a lot of other terminals booting with sound. We only load the module "sb" for a few who terminals. 90% autodetect sound and play. When booting the HP's we see that the audioserver loads and listens for connections on port 16001 or something. It also says something about failing /dev/dsp. Other terminals boot fine with sound from the same server. Does anyone know which module to use for onboard soundmax card? We have tried sb, ac97,ac97_codec and soundcore. None of them did the trick. We use K12LTSP4.4.0 and esd if that should matter. Best Regards Trond Maehlum From petre at maltzen.net Thu Mar 9 18:54:20 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:54:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NAT not starting on bootup Message-ID: <441079DC.9070104@maltzen.net> The power went out this morning and when it came back on the K12LTSP server booted with no problems, and the thin clients were able to connect as normal. But I also have some Windows boxes on the same network and they get their addresses from the LTSP server and treat it (the server) as the default gateway, which was working. So far, so good. But the Windows boxes couldn't connect to the internet. After poking around a bit I concluded that NAT wasn't running: there was no /proc/net/ipconntrack file. The /etc/init.d/nat script doesn't support the 'status' switch, so I just ran 'service nat start', /proc/net/ipconntrack appeared, and the Windows boxes were able to get to the internet. I noticed the same problem a couple months ago when I first installed the server at the site, that NAT was not working after bootup. chkconfig shows NAT to be on for runlevels 2-5. What would cause it to not start at boot? Petre From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Mar 9 20:13:32 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:13:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Multimedia on Thin Clients Message-ID: <44108C6C.7030208@snarlnet.com> I would very much like access to those rpms. Methinks that would save a lot of time and guesswork. Thanks so much. ck PS Are you using gnome or kde? esd or nasd? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Carl, We are running mostly K12LTSP v. 4.2.0 but also video works on 4.4.1 as well. I wound up RPMing everything and installed both Mplayer as well as Xine-ui Xine works fine with embedded video,and plays all video formats,as Shawn mentioned. WE use Mplayer to play video "locally". I can give you our ftp site,,if you like as i have all the RPMs on there and you could download them all, There are several,you have to install to make it all work. Let me know. Hope this helps. Barry Cisna From lachlan.simpson at wilderness.org.au Thu Mar 9 23:04:39 2006 From: lachlan.simpson at wilderness.org.au (Lachlan Simpson) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:04:39 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin In-Reply-To: <200603091451.k29EpHTW031176@mx1.redhat.com> References: <1141836689.12814.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44114F37.29371.46AA938F@lachlan.simpson.wilderness.org.au> Hola, I would also add as someone who uses Limux, Mac OSX and Windows XP/Server 2000 - and you need to give this serious consideration - XP on 256 MB RAM is going to cause you more literal headaches from people saying "why is this so sloooooooooooow?". Even MS recommends 512MB RAM for XP. I would definitely move them to ltsp. gluck L. From: "ATM Logic" To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin Date sent: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:50:46 -0600 Send reply to: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Thanks for the reply's One of the other reasons I ask is we can pick up > about 50 or so IBM's preloaded with XP Home for about the cost of a > ThinClient (about $200ish) They are 1.8G with 256Mb. My thought is to grab > them up, and have a load of spares... HOWEVER they make that much more > noise, and are already 2-3 years old... --- Lachlan Simpson, National Database & IT Support Officer National Office The Wilderness Society 57E Brisbane Street, Hobart TAS 7000, AUSTRALIA lachlan.simpson at wilderness.org.au Ph (03) 6270 1798 http://www.wilderness.org.au From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 23:27:45 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:27:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting with NO Thin Clients to PC or to Thin In-Reply-To: <200603091736.k29Ha9Yl029966@mx1.redhat.com> References: <44104648.7080807@maltzen.net> <200603091736.k29Ha9Yl029966@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: On 3/9/06, ATM Logic wrote: > Ooops... Should have made that more clear... What I was talking about was > taking the Cheap Fat Clients, removing the HDD and having them boot from CD > to the terminal server. (Or getting boot Rom's or something.... But Yes, Save yourself the headache and *don't* use the cdrom to boot. Kids can take them. Use the cd's as frisbees. Play "how fast can you push the cdrom button". Stuff things in the cdrom tray. etc etc etc..... Use pxe boot roms. unplug cdrom power connector. No headaches. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 01:54:19 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:54:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting directory or chrooting for sftp users? In-Reply-To: <1141339852.22335.78.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <2be970b50603021157r787234a5t25f6fd1400ad8a9e@mail.gmail.com> <200603021517.06536.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <81e6a9bf0603021401x78e0e680w9ff0f72c2cf3c261@mail.gmail.com> <1141339852.22335.78.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50603091754x40e8043bj69cdf2f4051ce91a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to all, After looking at all the options I am going the symlink route. I didn't feel comfortable building ssh from source, since I don't know if FC4 would be "mad" that I was using a different version than the one found in the FC4 yum repository. The non standard release versioning is one thing I don't like about RH/FC, but I guess I shouldn't be a whiner. It would be great if ssh had a jail function available w/o a patch, though. John On 3/2/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 16:01, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > Why not just serve the users own web pages out of thier home > > directories? You just need to turn this switch on in the Apache > > config. > > Or if you don't like the ~user syntax in the URLs you can > just put symlinks in the main web site pointing to user's > home directories or appropriate subdirectories. This is > easy to set up but you do have to be careful about things > that should stay on the web site after a particular user > is gone. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ahodson at elp.rr.com Fri Mar 10 05:26:38 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:26:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell 4600 w/8 Gigs Memory - where is it? Message-ID: Greetings This may sound strange but in one of the labs we have in El Paso ISD (TX) we have a Dell 4600 with 8 Gigs of ram, and yet the system monitor tells me that the CPU is working nearly at 100% capacity constantly... My question is, how can I configure this monster so that the load is shared by the gargantuan amount of memory? It seems like if more than 30 users log in, the system starts crawling... I've tried the SMP kernel also, and it doesn't seem to help... Somehow I am not making proper use of the available memory - any way of pre-loading some applications (say openoffice and firefox) so that they stay in ram and are available right away for all students? Any suggestions/clarifications are much appreciated Alan Hodson aahodson at episd dot org http://links.epid.org -=o=- From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Mar 10 08:30:39 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:30:39 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec In-Reply-To: <44105CBB.7020708@paasda.org> References: <200603090900.55202.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <44105CBB.7020708@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200603100830.39733.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 09 Mar 2006 16:50, Huck wrote: > I find this methodology odd. > #1 why not use an imaging method...plenty of free ones out there if you > can't affoard Ghost. For the few machines involved, it is not worth the effort of preparing a ghost image. Also, experience has shown ghosting cripples the network. > #2 why are you connecting it to THE network before it's fully > patched/installed, segment a part for installs only? I'd like to know how to patch it without connecting to the network. The only way I can think of doing it would be via a dial up line, which is hardly an option. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From Audun.Wangen at kongsvinger.kommune.no Fri Mar 10 09:37:33 2006 From: Audun.Wangen at kongsvinger.kommune.no (Audun Wangen) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:37:33 +0100 Subject: SV: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec Message-ID: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > On Thursday 09 Mar 2006 16:50, Huck wrote: >> I find this methodology odd. >> #1 why not use an imaging method...plenty of free ones out there if >> you can't affoard Ghost. > For the few machines involved, it is not worth the effort of > preparing a ghost image. Also, experience has shown ghosting > cripples the network. This is what I experienced too. The images are static and will soon contain outdated drivers and software, and you will use just as long upgrading as you would installing from scratch. As for other issues I found that good SID changers are hard to come by. It is also suggested that you only use imaging on "clean systems", e.g. only OS and drivers. Frankly I believe unattended installation is a much better approach to that, and it is much more flexible. >> #2 why are you connecting it to THE network before it's fully >> patched/installed, segment a part for installs only? > I'd like to know how to patch it without connecting to the network. > The only way I can think of doing it would be via a dial up line, > which is hardly an option. WSUS is probably what you are looking for: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/updateservices/default.mspx Then you can make a network segment with access only to WSUS. I recommend it for the performance gain too, because Microsoft's Windows Update service is really slow. Sorry, this is getting a little off topic, but i couldn't help myself :). -- Regards Audun Wangen ICT Kongsvinger kommune Norway From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Fri Mar 10 10:03:47 2006 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:03:47 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell 4600 w/8 Gigs Memory - where is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44114F03.2000400@tclcommunications.co.nz> Does not compute..om. DELL 4600 is a 2.8 Ghz P4 desktop machine with max memory of 2g bytes??? A pig in a Poke Alan A Hodson wrote: > Greetings > > This may sound strange but in one of the labs we have in El Paso ISD > (TX) we have a Dell 4600 with 8 Gigs of ram, and yet the system > monitor tells me that the CPU is working nearly at 100% capacity > constantly... My question is, how can I configure this monster so that > the load is shared by the gargantuan amount of memory? It seems like > if more than 30 users log in, the system starts crawling... I've tried > the SMP kernel also, and it doesn't seem to help... Somehow I am not > making proper use of the available memory - any way of pre-loading > some applications (say openoffice and firefox) so that they stay in > ram and are available right away for all students? > > Any suggestions/clarifications are much appreciated > > Alan Hodson > aahodson at episd dot org > http://links.epid.org > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Mar 10 12:58:57 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 06:58:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Windows side effects Message-ID: <1141995537.1189.6.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello K12LTSP'ers, Beware, this is the way you may become if you use 100% Winders! This is our little video server. I sent this wmv stream to a couple of people for testing their newly installed Mplayer& Xine setups, on K12LTSP,and they got a kick out of it. You may too. TGIF. http://216.24.126.73/developers Take Care,, Barry Cisna From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Mar 10 13:13:58 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:13:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec In-Reply-To: <200603100830.39733.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <200603090900.55202.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <44105CBB.7020708@paasda.org> <200603100830.39733.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <2228D61E-A933-41F0-83D2-36B87C0F6F59@mindfirestudios.com> One of the big hassles with ghosting is for NT machines and all the software that needs to be activated/reactivated if you change the SID. I know that this is a problem for XP unless you use a sysprep setup, but that makes it more difficult to take care of the programs. Unless you have an enterprise type key you can use universally it's a big hassle. On Mar 10, 2006, at 2:30 AM, Martin Woolley wrote: > On Thursday 09 Mar 2006 16:50, Huck wrote: >> I find this methodology odd. >> #1 why not use an imaging method...plenty of free ones out there >> if you >> can't affoard Ghost. > For the few machines involved, it is not worth the effort of > preparing a ghost > image. Also, experience has shown ghosting cripples the network. >> #2 why are you connecting it to THE network before it's fully >> patched/installed, segment a part for installs only? > I'd like to know how to patch it without connecting to the > network. The only > way I can think of doing it would be via a dial up line, which is > hardly an > option. > > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Mar 10 13:16:16 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:16:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell 4600 w/8 Gigs Memory - where is it? Message-ID: <1141996576.1189.13.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hi Alan, Without running the 64 bit version of K12LTSP, the maximum, the memory the OS can "see" is 4 gigs. In others words, your 8 gigs of ram is being "reduced" to 4 gigs:(.I read this somewere. I didnt know this till recently.Something worth going to the trouble of,,is setting up to run local applications,if your clients are any good at all. It WILL make a difference in offloading some things from server to the clients memory. Are you using gig backbone to 10/100 MB room switches? Even with 100MB backbone, you should have very good perfomance, with only 30 clients with that machine.Unless you are consecutivly running say Tuxtype on those clients. Take Care. Barry CIsna From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Mar 10 13:39:50 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:39:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell 4600 w/8 Gigs Memory - where is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C1FC71D-0EC3-470E-81C5-89DF0A3D5947@mindfirestudios.com> First, are you hitting swap?? If not then its probably not a memory problem. A pegged out CPU may be just that, not an indicator of insufficient memory. More memory isn't going to help if the CPU is the bottleneck. (Though I'll bet you aren't using all of the memory unless you are using bigmem kernel or a x86-64 kernel). Second, What version of K12LTSP are you running ? What kind of apps is it running, desktop environment, services? What kind of CPU(s) are you using, and what kernel is the server running (version, arch, SMP, bigmem?). Basically, we need more/different information. On Mar 9, 2006, at 11:26 PM, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Greetings > > This may sound strange but in one of the labs we have in El Paso > ISD (TX) we have a Dell 4600 with 8 Gigs of ram, and yet the system > monitor tells me that the CPU is working nearly at 100% capacity > constantly... My question is, how can I configure this monster so > that the load is shared by the gargantuan amount of memory? It > seems like if more than 30 users log in, the system starts > crawling... I've tried the SMP kernel also, and it doesn't seem to > help... Somehow I am not making proper use of the available memory > - any way of pre-loading some applications (say openoffice and > firefox) so that they stay in ram and are available right away for > all students? > > Any suggestions/clarifications are much appreciated > > Alan Hodson > aahodson at episd dot org > http://links.epid.org > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Fri Mar 10 14:32:28 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:32:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT- has anyone used the new 3ware 9550sx Message-ID: I'm looking into bying this controler in raid 5 mode with 4X SATA2 drives. Does anyone any comments on this hardware? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone know what the cause is? As far as I know the Mac client is working okay (but I'm not onsite at the moment so I can't be certain). Petre From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Fri Mar 10 16:43:14 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:43:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT- has anyone used the new 3ware 9550sx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4411ACA2.5070103@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > I'm looking into bying this controler in raid 5 mode with 4X SATA2 drives. Does anyone any comments on this hardware? > Mark me as highly interested in this as well... From robark at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 17:49:37 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:49:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell 4600 w/8 Gigs Memory - where is it? In-Reply-To: <1141996576.1189.13.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1141996576.1189.13.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: On 3/10/06, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hi Alan, > > Without running the 64 bit version of K12LTSP, the maximum, the memory > the OS can "see" is 4 gigs. In others words, your 8 gigs of ram is being > "reduced" to 4 gigs:(.I read this somewere. I didnt know this till I think 32bit K12LTSP 4.2.2EL smp kernel can see upto 64G. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Mar 10 18:12:00 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:12:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec In-Reply-To: <2228D61E-A933-41F0-83D2-36B87C0F6F59@mindfirestudios.com> References: <200603090900.55202.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <44105CBB.7020708@paasda.org> <200603100830.39733.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <2228D61E-A933-41F0-83D2-36B87C0F6F59@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <4411C170.2080708@paasda.org> Ahh guess that's where I'm lucky... we got the enterpris type key through oetc.org I guess being in Oregon does have at least one advantage ;) I still don't like the weather though =) I ghost an entire XP-Pro lab that authenticates via the K12LTSP server using SAMBA as the domain controller...and it takes less than 30 minutes to do 25 machines..(that includes changing their computernames manually as I haven't figured out how to do that automagically) With MS-OFFICE 2003, Macromedia Suite, Adobe Suite and that's about it. Burke Almquist wrote: > One of the big hassles with ghosting is for NT machines and all the > software that needs to be activated/reactivated if you change the SID. > I know that this is a problem for XP unless you use a sysprep setup, > but that makes it more difficult to take care of the programs. > Unless you have an enterprise type key you can use universally it's a > big hassle. > > On Mar 10, 2006, at 2:30 AM, Martin Woolley wrote: > >> On Thursday 09 Mar 2006 16:50, Huck wrote: >> >>> I find this methodology odd. >>> #1 why not use an imaging method...plenty of free ones out there if you >>> can't affoard Ghost. >> >> For the few machines involved, it is not worth the effort of >> preparing a ghost >> image. Also, experience has shown ghosting cripples the network. >> >>> #2 why are you connecting it to THE network before it's fully >>> patched/installed, segment a part for installs only? >> >> I'd like to know how to patch it without connecting to the network. >> The only >> way I can think of doing it would be via a dial up line, which is >> hardly an >> option. >> >> -- >> Regards >> Martin Woolley >> ICT Support >> Handsworth Grammar School >> Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna >> >> >> ************************************************************* >> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >> and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity >> to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email >> in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org >> >> The views expressed within this email are those of the >> individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation >> ************************************************************* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 18:30:01 2006 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:30:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Material for Marketing ltsp? Message-ID: Hello, I am looking for material which can be used to market or sell the idea of ltsp to schools (or generally which can be adapted to schools). I think I recall reading online that such material exists, but a quick search through the email archives didn't turn up anything. I'm interested in anything really - presentations, papers, slideshows, case-studies, etc. that you may have produced or come across. thank you. Joseph From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Mar 10 18:42:43 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:42:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Material for Marketing ltsp? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4411C8A3.6000206@paasda.org> might be some on the wiki..don't have the url handy...but it might be on the k12lstp.org website Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > I am looking for material which can be used to market or sell the idea > of ltsp to schools (or generally which can be adapted to schools). I > think I recall reading online that such material exists, but a quick > search through the email archives didn't turn up anything. > > I'm interested in anything really - presentations, papers, slideshows, > case-studies, etc. that you may have produced or come across. > > thank you. > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From bkovach at logrog.net Fri Mar 10 18:33:34 2006 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:33:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Material for Marketing ltsp? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58582.216.229.68.126.1142015614.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> My response is ... 4 work orders in 2 years. 92 clients and 600 students. Try those kind of numbers in a windas lab. BK > Hello, > > I am looking for material which can be used to market or sell the idea > of ltsp to schools (or generally which can be adapted to schools). I > think I recall reading online that such material exists, but a quick > search through the email archives didn't turn up anything. > > I'm interested in anything really - presentations, papers, slideshows, > case-studies, etc. that you may have produced or come across. > > thank you. > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- "I don't know" isn't a penalty or an excuse. It's an opportunity. From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Fri Mar 10 18:49:31 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:49:31 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20OT-=20has=20anyone?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20used=20the=20new=203ware=209550sx?= Message-ID: I have found this information on a forum: ------------------ We've also tested these cards running Debian stable with a 2.6.15 kernel (the 9550SX support was added in 2.6.13 or 2.6.14). In 32-bit mode, everything works wonderfully. Haven't tested 64-bit yet. ------------------------------ They got this hardware going in BSD. >>> mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us 2006-03-10 11:43:14 >>> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > I'm looking into bying this controler in raid 5 mode with 4X SATA2 drives. Does anyone any comments on this hardware? > Mark me as highly interested in this as well... _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmrogers at hgresa.org Fri Mar 10 18:59:40 2006 From: dmrogers at hgresa.org (David M. Rogers) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:59:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12osn Server with one NIC Message-ID: <4411CC9C.20706@hgresa.org> Hello all, I am working on a project and encountered a roadblock. In the past, I have pulled this off but now need some assistance. I am attempting to build a k12osn server with only one NIC. I will be using a separate DHCP server. In the past, I was able to enter a line in the dhcpd.conf file similar to this: tftp=/opt/ltsp/i386 (This is not exact, I am not in the office so I can't check my notes) What I would like to do is use the rom-o-matic boot disk and place the tftp info in the configuration when creating the disk. I have tried several variations and keep coming up with the error: TFTP error 1 file not found. The path I am using is: /tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.9-ltsp-3 (again, this might be exactly correct, don't have my notes) The complete statement in the rom-o-matic config is: tftp=192.168.1.200://tftpboot/lts/vmlinux-2.6.9-ltsp-3 I even tried to enter a line in the dhcp.conf (I am using dnsmasq for dhcp and found an example on the web) but it gave the same error. I ran out of time to research, and will be out of the office for several days. I thought I ask for help so that when I get back in the office, maybe someone will have responded. So the question, what line should I place in the rom-o-matic tftp config to point to the correct file for remote booting? Thanks in advance for the replies. P.S. I am very excited, after years of pushing opensource, Linux and Linux terminal servers, we finally have some schools interested. Hence the reason for my crash course. I have been on other projects for the last year and my Linux research has been lacking. -- Thanks, David David M. Rogers, Technical Specialist http://www.hgresaettc.org (478)-374-2240 ext. 116 Office (478)-374-0861 FAX Heart of Georgia RESA ETTC 1141 Cochran Highway Eastman, GA 31023 csrracing.net ************************************************ If you are not the intended recipient of this email, delete the message immediately. From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 10 19:04:37 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:04:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "respawning too fast" in log files In-Reply-To: <4411A542.1090708@maltzen.net> References: <4411A542.1090708@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1142017477.6487.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 10:11, Petre Scheie wrote: > I'm seeing a bunch of this in /var/log/messages: > > ws220.ltsp init: Id "s2" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > Mar 10 10:05:55 ws220.ltsp init: Id "s4" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > Mar 10 10:05:55 ws220.ltsp init: Id "s5" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > Mar 10 10:05:56 ws220.ltsp init: Id "s3" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > Mar 10 10:05:56 ws220.ltsp init: Id "s8" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > Mar 10 10:05:57 ws220.ltsp init: Id "s7" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > Mar 10 10:05:57 ws220.ltsp init: Id "s9" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > Mar 10 10:05:57 ws220.ltsp init: Id "s6" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > Mar 10 10:05:58 ws220.ltsp init: Id "sa" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > Mar 10 10:05:58 ws220.ltsp init: Id "sb" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > Mar 10 10:05:58 ws220.ltsp init: Id "sc" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > > I think this is being caused by the lone Mac thin client I have on the network. Anyone > know what the cause is? As far as I know the Mac client is working okay (but I'm not > onsite at the moment so I can't be certain). If you look at /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/inittab you'll see the identifiers and what they are trying to run - in this case /etc/screen_session. I'm not sure why it would fail, though. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 10 19:37:32 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:37:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec In-Reply-To: <4411C170.2080708@paasda.org> References: <200603090900.55202.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <44105CBB.7020708@paasda.org> <200603100830.39733.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <2228D61E-A933-41F0-83D2-36B87C0F6F59@mindfirestudios.com> <4411C170.2080708@paasda.org> Message-ID: I image XP computers all the time using KNOPPIX and heve never had any issues with it as far as anything but computer names (which takes on a short time to fix on each after you image it. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Huck wrote: > Ahh guess that's where I'm lucky... > we got the enterpris type key through oetc.org > I guess being in Oregon does have at least one advantage ;) > I still don't like the weather though =) > I ghost an entire XP-Pro lab that authenticates via the K12LTSP server > using SAMBA as the domain controller...and it takes less than 30 minutes > to do 25 machines..(that includes changing their computernames manually > as I haven't figured out how to do that automagically) > With MS-OFFICE 2003, Macromedia Suite, Adobe Suite and that's about it. > > > Burke Almquist wrote: > > One of the big hassles with ghosting is for NT machines and all the > > software that needs to be activated/reactivated if you change the SID. > > I know that this is a problem for XP unless you use a sysprep setup, > > but that makes it more difficult to take care of the programs. > > Unless you have an enterprise type key you can use universally it's a > > big hassle. > > > > On Mar 10, 2006, at 2:30 AM, Martin Woolley wrote: > > > >> On Thursday 09 Mar 2006 16:50, Huck wrote: > >> > >>> I find this methodology odd. > >>> #1 why not use an imaging method...plenty of free ones out there if you > >>> can't affoard Ghost. > >> > >> For the few machines involved, it is not worth the effort of > >> preparing a ghost > >> image. Also, experience has shown ghosting cripples the network. > >> > >>> #2 why are you connecting it to THE network before it's fully > >>> patched/installed, segment a part for installs only? > >> > >> I'd like to know how to patch it without connecting to the network. > >> The only > >> way I can think of doing it would be via a dial up line, which is > >> hardly an > >> option. > >> > >> -- > >> Regards > >> Martin Woolley > >> ICT Support > >> Handsworth Grammar School > >> Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > >> > >> > >> ************************************************************* > >> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > >> and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > >> to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > >> in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > >> > >> The views expressed within this email are those of the > >> individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > >> ************************************************************* > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 19:35:28 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:35:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT- has anyone used the new 3ware 9550sx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/10/06, Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > > I'm looking into bying this controler in raid 5 mode with 4X SATA2 drives. > Does anyone any comments on this hardware? I don't have any experience with that controller but I know the LSI MegaRAID 300 - 8x SATA2 PCI-X works with k12lsp 4.2.2EL out of the box. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From richard at richardljohnson.com Fri Mar 10 19:50:25 2006 From: richard at richardljohnson.com (Richard L. Johnson) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:50:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows vs. Linux test by Symantec In-Reply-To: References: <200603090900.55202.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <44105CBB.7020708@paasda.org> <200603100830.39733.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <2228D61E-A933-41F0-83D2-36B87C0F6F59@mindfirestudios.com> <4411C170.2080708@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4411D881.6040608@richardljohnson.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Mar 10 20:15:16 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:15:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE vs Etherboot Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D7D1@MAILBE2.westat.com> The two cheapest clients disklessworkstations.com sells (LTSP Term 150 and 150e) differ only in that one boots via PXE while the other uses Etherboot. Is the Etherboot version is worth an aditional $15? Why would I want one over the other? Anyone using these have any experiences, good, bad, or ugly? Same question relative to the LTSP Term J-225. -- Henry From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Mar 10 21:53:45 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:53:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell 4600 w/8 Gigs Memory - where is it? Message-ID: <1142027625.3249.12.camel@server1.cisna> Hello again Alan, I had to leave earlier when i was posting. Something you could look for, is when running top look for if any zombie processes,are appearing. About three years ago i had a server that was always running with the cpu maxed, but still had lots of spare memory. After lots of wrangling around i found in the logs ssh was trying to authenticate to this server from another that i was doing an rsync to-from.Long story short it was just lots of zombie processes,,, was causing our server this delima. It only had to have about 2-3 zombie processes, and a noticeable slow down occured, This was on an old dual processor 350MHZ,server, when i was first getting into ltsp 3 years ago. Also, trying doing the old reboot routine, and watch how long a period of time it is before this server starts really slowing down. you may see in this same time frame zombie processes occuring. You know the drill it may be even easier to save all your home folder files for students and give the 1-2 re-install routine. Maybe even trying going back one FC say from 4 back to 3, or try EL version of K12LTSP. I haven't really helped much in doing a troubleshoot, but you know someone else had a similar problem, is all. Take Care, Barry Cisna From lighthumor at hotmail.com Fri Mar 10 22:27:18 2006 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:27:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] terminal local devices - floppy, cdrom, usb - "export local devices with samba" Message-ID: Our terminals all have some floppy issues, keep saying they have no access rights... MtoolsFM is not happy. It appears there are better options anyhow. Nobody ever really liked using MtoolsFM, the interface is different for user-people. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientLocalDevices This page mentions ThinStation and PXES "export local devices with samba". It seems that if both of them use it, it's most likely the most feasible method... Anyone done this? From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Mar 11 02:37:27 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:37:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal local devices - floppy, cdrom, usb - "export local devices with samba" Message-ID: <61788.70.96.69.243.1142044647.squirrel@216.24.126.68> What version of K12LTSP. are you using? I thought MToolsFM was about as simple and foolproof as you could get as far as transfering from your home folder to usb drive or floppy for students. From what you are describing you may may perms,on your home folders not right,If you have floppy access enabled in the lts.conf file that's really all you need and floppy usb/pen drive access should work,if you are using v 4.4.1 K12LTSP. if using older version you will only get floppy access unless you do some hacking. do the following in a terminal. chmod -c -R 644 /home/* see if that cures your access denied prob. Take Care, Barry Cisna From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Mar 11 12:51:20 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:51:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT- has anyone used the new 3ware 9550sx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All of the 3ware cards do true hardware RAID out of box on linux. They are one of the few companies that does IDE/ATA/SATA RAID in hardware and they have a good reputation for linux support too, drivers are part of the main kernel. On Mar 10, 2006, at 1:35 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/10/06, Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: >> >> I'm looking into bying this controler in raid 5 mode with 4X SATA2 >> drives. >> Does anyone any comments on this hardware? > > I don't have any experience with that controller but I know the LSI > MegaRAID 300 - 8x SATA2 PCI-X works with k12lsp 4.2.2EL out of the > box. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Mar 11 13:18:14 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 07:18:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cron job for ltsp _ esd_hack Message-ID: <1142083094.2098.4.camel@server1.cisna> Hello List, Could somebody tell me why ,if I have the ltsp_esd_sound_hack to =YES in the /networking/ltsp file ,and that is enabled in the default cron jobs list to run hourly(default), why the /tmp/.esd & the /tmp/.esd/socket file isnt being created? I finally made my own cron job to do the same thing , but im just curious why the default esd fixup,,isnt working? heres a paste of my 4.2. K12ltsp ltsp_esd_sound_hack script #!/bin/sh . /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp if [ "$FLASH_SOUND_HACK" = "YES" ] then if [ ! -d /tmp/.esd ] then mkdir /tmp/.esd touch /tmp/.esd/socket chmod a+rwx /tmp/.esd chmod a+rw /tmp/.esd/socket fi fi Take Care, Barry Cisna From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Mar 11 14:13:43 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:13:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cron job for ltsp _ esd_hack Message-ID: <1142086423.3259.4.camel@server1.cisna> Hello List, Sorry, stupid me answered my own question. I had to edit the /etc/cron.hourly ltsp_esd_hack.sh >From : if [ "$FLASH_SOUND_HACK" = "YES" ] to : if [ "$REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS" = "YES" ] to correspond with the /etc/sysconfig k12ltsp.conf file. All works well now. Take Care, Barry Cisna From ssanders at coin.org Sat Mar 11 17:49:16 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:49:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] printing bandwidth on client In-Reply-To: <4411CC9C.20706@hgresa.org> References: <4411CC9C.20706@hgresa.org> Message-ID: <1142099356.31787.1.camel@bofh.ltsp> Hi all, For sheer convenience (and I was given a nice network printer that works) I am going to put a printer at a terminal location for the first time. I have the printer working as a standalone network printer with no problem. It only has a USB or ethernet connection. The terminal where it will be located is an old PII/233 with 64mb ram. It has nice video, and works great as a terminal. I think it only has old USB 1.0, which was probably the problem when I tried to get client USB keys working locally on it. Questions: Is there any difference in network traffic by having the printer standalone on the network as compared to being connected to the terminal? There is only one cable drop in that room, and would require a hub/switch to share the connection. That network segment is 100mbit, with a gigabit switch upstream aggregating the other traffic to the server. USB 2.0 multi-USB cards are cheap of course, and would be easy to add to the client. Would this be better in any manner for printing? That terminal is reliable and always powered on, so that won't affect the availability of the printer. Does having a local printer on the client need more RAM or CPU? TIA From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Mar 11 17:52:12 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:52:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NAT not starting on bootup In-Reply-To: <441079DC.9070104@maltzen.net> References: <441079DC.9070104@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Check the logs at startup, if it is failing to start, or crashing right after boot, it should give you an idea why. Does it say anything. On Mar 9, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Petre Scheie wrote: > The power went out this morning and when it came back on the > K12LTSP server booted with no problems, and the thin clients were > able to connect as normal. But I also have some Windows boxes on > the same network and they get their addresses from the LTSP server > and treat it (the server) as the default gateway, which was > working. So far, so good. But the Windows boxes couldn't connect > to the internet. After poking around a bit I concluded that NAT > wasn't running: there was no /proc/net/ipconntrack file. The /etc/ > init.d/nat script doesn't support the 'status' switch, so I just > ran 'service nat start', /proc/net/ipconntrack appeared, and the > Windows boxes were able to get to the internet. > > I noticed the same problem a couple months ago when I first > installed the server at the site, that NAT was not working after > bootup. chkconfig shows NAT to be on for runlevels 2-5. What > would cause it to not start at boot? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Mar 11 17:54:55 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:54:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] printing bandwidth on client In-Reply-To: <1142099356.31787.1.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <4411CC9C.20706@hgresa.org> <1142099356.31787.1.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <385551EA-70DE-451F-8F83-EC81F40C8E70@mindfirestudios.com> Why attach it to a terminal if it is a network enabled printer?? On Mar 11, 2006, at 11:49 AM, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > Hi all, > For sheer convenience (and I was given a nice network printer that > works) I am going to put a printer at a terminal location for the > first > time. I have the printer working as a standalone network printer > with no > problem. It only has a USB or ethernet connection. > > The terminal where it will be located is an old PII/233 with 64mb ram. > It has nice video, and works great as a terminal. I think it only has > old USB 1.0, which was probably the problem when I tried to get client > USB keys working locally on it. > > Questions: > Is there any difference in network traffic by having the printer > standalone on the network as compared to being connected to the > terminal? There is only one cable drop in that room, and would > require a hub/switch to share the connection. That network segment is > 100mbit, with a gigabit switch upstream aggregating the other traffic > to the server. > > USB 2.0 multi-USB cards are cheap of course, and would be easy to add > to the client. Would this be better in any manner for printing? That > terminal is reliable and always powered on, so that won't affect the > availability of the printer. > > Does having a local printer on the client need more RAM or CPU? > TIA > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Sat Mar 11 22:02:27 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:02:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] printing bandwidth on client In-Reply-To: <1142099356.31787.1.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <4411CC9C.20706@hgresa.org> <1142099356.31787.1.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <441348F3.2020002@McQuil.com> I'd have no problem suggesting that you just connect the printer to the thin client. Print jobs are generally not that large. Even if they are a couple of megabytes in size, it isn't that big a deal on the network. Unless the printer is constantly printing, but even then, the bottleneck will be the printer itself, and not the network connection. I seriously doubt the users would even notice it. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org ssanders at coin.org wrote: > Hi all, > For sheer convenience (and I was given a nice network printer that > works) I am going to put a printer at a terminal location for the first > time. I have the printer working as a standalone network printer with no > problem. It only has a USB or ethernet connection. > > The terminal where it will be located is an old PII/233 with 64mb ram. > It has nice video, and works great as a terminal. I think it only has > old USB 1.0, which was probably the problem when I tried to get client > USB keys working locally on it. > > Questions: > Is there any difference in network traffic by having the printer > standalone on the network as compared to being connected to the > terminal? There is only one cable drop in that room, and would > require a hub/switch to share the connection. That network segment is > 100mbit, with a gigabit switch upstream aggregating the other traffic > to the server. > > USB 2.0 multi-USB cards are cheap of course, and would be easy to add > to the client. Would this be better in any manner for printing? That > terminal is reliable and always powered on, so that won't affect the > availability of the printer. > > Does having a local printer on the client need more RAM or CPU? > TIA > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Sun Mar 12 00:57:39 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:57:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NAT not starting on bootup In-Reply-To: References: <441079DC.9070104@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44137203.1050600@maltzen.net> Here's a snippet from /var/log/messages. Notice on line 11 that it mentions ip_conntrack, which suggests that the NAT startup script ran as it should. There's no further mention of ip_conntrack until the time that I ran the script again manually about 90 minutes later. So, it would seem that something knocked it down. Since I started it manually, it's been fine. This is consistent with what I saw the last time I booted the machine, that once I run the startup script manually, NAT stays up. Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: EXT3 FS on sda3, internal journal Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev sda1, type ext3), uses xattr Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Adding 2096472k swap on /dev/sda2. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:2096472k Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev binfmt_misc, type binfmt_misc), uses genfs_contexts Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Netfilter messages via NETLINK v0.30. Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: ip_conntrack version 2.4 (8192 buckets, 65536 max) - 232 bytes per conntrack Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev rpc_pipefs, type rpc_pipefs), uses genfs_contexts Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Bluetooth: Core ver 2.8 Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 31 Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.8 Burke Almquist wrote: > Check the logs at startup, if it is failing to start, or crashing right > after boot, it should give you an idea why. Does it say anything. > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> The power went out this morning and when it came back on the K12LTSP >> server booted with no problems, and the thin clients were able to >> connect as normal. But I also have some Windows boxes on the same >> network and they get their addresses from the LTSP server and treat >> it (the server) as the default gateway, which was working. So far, >> so good. But the Windows boxes couldn't connect to the internet. >> After poking around a bit I concluded that NAT wasn't running: there >> was no /proc/net/ipconntrack file. The /etc/ init.d/nat script >> doesn't support the 'status' switch, so I just ran 'service nat >> start', /proc/net/ipconntrack appeared, and the Windows boxes were >> able to get to the internet. >> >> I noticed the same problem a couple months ago when I first installed >> the server at the site, that NAT was not working after bootup. >> chkconfig shows NAT to be on for runlevels 2-5. What would cause it >> to not start at boot? >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbarar at gmail.com Sun Mar 12 01:08:07 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 06:38:07 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] NAT not starting on bootup In-Reply-To: <44137203.1050600@maltzen.net> References: <441079DC.9070104@maltzen.net> <44137203.1050600@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a20603111708k68398106h@mail.gmail.com> On 12/03/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > Here's a snippet from /var/log/messages. Notice on line 11 that it > mentions ip_conntrack, which suggests that the NAT startup script ran as [HUGE SNIP] Hope ip_forwarding is enabled. Just check what out put you get from cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward If it is 0 then you need to set IP_FORWARDING=1 in /etc/sysconfig (?? not sure since not sitting on k12 system) -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Mar 12 01:47:08 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:47:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] printing bandwidth on client In-Reply-To: <441348F3.2020002@McQuil.com> References: <4411CC9C.20706@hgresa.org> <1142099356.31787.1.camel@bofh.ltsp> <441348F3.2020002@McQuil.com> Message-ID: Whoops, I missed the part about only having one network drop in the room. That's a good reason to hook it up to the thin client. The only thing about that is that the thin client would need to stay on in order for people to print to it. On Mar 11, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Jim McQuillan wrote: > I'd have no problem suggesting that you just connect the printer to > the thin client. >> Is there any difference in network traffic by having the printer >> standalone on the network as compared to being connected to the >> terminal? There is only one cable drop in that room, and would >> require a hub/switch to share the connection. That network segment is >> 100mbit, with a gigabit switch upstream aggregating the other traffic >> to the server. >> From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Mar 12 01:50:43 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:50:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NAT not starting on bootup In-Reply-To: <44137203.1050600@maltzen.net> References: <441079DC.9070104@maltzen.net> <44137203.1050600@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <5E394458-D20E-48D6-8896-342EBFD8C073@mindfirestudios.com> ip_contrack means that iptables has been started, but not necessarily nat. Does that nat service have it's own script in init.d and is it executable? I know that nat and iptables were separate scripts on older versions of K12LTSP. On Mar 11, 2006, at 6:57 PM, Petre Scheie wrote: > Here's a snippet from /var/log/messages. Notice on line 11 that it > mentions ip_conntrack, which suggests that the NAT startup script > ran as it should. There's no further mention of ip_conntrack until > the time that I ran the script again manually about 90 minutes > later. So, it would seem that something knocked it down. Since I > started it manually, it's been fine. This is consistent with what > I saw the last time I booted the machine, that once I run the > startup script manually, NAT stays up. > > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: EXT3 FS on sda3, internal journal > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: kjournald starting. Commit > interval 5 seconds > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with > ordered data mode. > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev sda1, > type ext3), uses xattr > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, > type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Adding 2096472k swap on /dev/ > sda2. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:2096472k > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev > binfmt_misc, type binfmt_misc), uses genfs_contexts > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 > Netfilter core team > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Netfilter messages via NETLINK > v0.30. > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: ip_conntrack version 2.4 (8192 > buckets, 65536 max) - 232 bytes per conntrack > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev > rpc_pipefs, type rpc_pipefs), uses genfs_contexts > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Bluetooth: Core ver 2.8 > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 31 > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Bluetooth: HCI device and > connection manager initialized > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Bluetooth: HCI socket layer > initialized > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.8 > > > Burke Almquist wrote: >> Check the logs at startup, if it is failing to start, or crashing >> right after boot, it should give you an idea why. Does it say >> anything. >> On Mar 9, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Petre Scheie wrote: >>> The power went out this morning and when it came back on the >>> K12LTSP server booted with no problems, and the thin clients >>> were able to connect as normal. But I also have some Windows >>> boxes on the same network and they get their addresses from the >>> LTSP server and treat it (the server) as the default gateway, >>> which was working. So far, so good. But the Windows boxes >>> couldn't connect to the internet. After poking around a bit I >>> concluded that NAT wasn't running: there was no /proc/net/ >>> ipconntrack file. The /etc/ init.d/nat script doesn't support >>> the 'status' switch, so I just ran 'service nat start', /proc/ >>> net/ipconntrack appeared, and the Windows boxes were able to get >>> to the internet. >>> >>> I noticed the same problem a couple months ago when I first >>> installed the server at the site, that NAT was not working after >>> bootup. chkconfig shows NAT to be on for runlevels 2-5. What >>> would cause it to not start at boot? >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Mar 12 01:55:17 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:55:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NAT not starting on bootup In-Reply-To: <5E394458-D20E-48D6-8896-342EBFD8C073@mindfirestudios.com> References: <441079DC.9070104@maltzen.net> <44137203.1050600@maltzen.net> <5E394458-D20E-48D6-8896-342EBFD8C073@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <29F0069E-72B7-4EC4-AEDC-B48D5E4D7CA9@mindfirestudios.com> I wonder if nat isn't somehow trying to start before iptables or another supporting service, causing it to fail. Does it have any startup dependancies? On Mar 11, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Burke Almquist wrote: > ip_contrack means that iptables has been started, but not > necessarily nat. > Does that nat service have it's own script in init.d and is it > executable? > I know that nat and iptables were separate scripts on older > versions of K12LTSP. > > On Mar 11, 2006, at 6:57 PM, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> Here's a snippet from /var/log/messages. Notice on line 11 that >> it mentions ip_conntrack, which suggests that the NAT startup >> script ran as it should. There's no further mention of >> ip_conntrack until the time that I ran the script again manually >> about 90 minutes later. So, it would seem that something knocked >> it down. Since I started it manually, it's been fine. This is >> consistent with what I saw the last time I booted the machine, >> that once I run the startup script manually, NAT stays up. From fdc31 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 12 01:26:19 2006 From: fdc31 at yahoo.com (dean c) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:26:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] unsubscribe fdc31@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <44137203.1050600@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060312012619.85717.qmail@web35407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> FDC31 at YAHOO.COM UNSUBSCRIBE fdc31 at yahoo.com fdc31 at yahoo.com UNSUBSCRIBE --- Petre Scheie wrote: > Here's a snippet from /var/log/messages. Notice on > line 11 that it > mentions ip_conntrack, which suggests that the NAT > startup script ran as > it should. There's no further mention of > ip_conntrack until the time > that I ran the script again manually about 90 > minutes later. So, it > would seem that something knocked it down. Since I > started it manually, > it's been fine. This is consistent with what I saw > the last time I > booted the machine, that once I run the startup > script manually, NAT > stays up. > > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: EXT3 FS on sda3, > internal journal > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: kjournald > starting. Commit interval > 5 seconds > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: EXT3 FS on sda1, > internal journal > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted > filesystem with > ordered data mode. > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: SELinux: > initialized (dev sda1, type > ext3), uses xattr > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: SELinux: > initialized (dev tmpfs, type > tmpfs), uses transition SIDs > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Adding 2096472k > swap on /dev/sda2. > Priority:-1 extents:1 across:2096472k > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: SELinux: > initialized (dev > binfmt_misc, type binfmt_misc), uses genfs_contexts > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: ip_tables: (C) > 2000-2002 Netfilter > core team > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Netfilter > messages via NETLINK v0.30. > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: ip_conntrack > version 2.4 (8192 > buckets, 65536 max) - 232 bytes per conntrack > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: SELinux: > initialized (dev rpc_pipefs, > type rpc_pipefs), uses genfs_contexts > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Bluetooth: Core > ver 2.8 > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: NET: Registered > protocol family 31 > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Bluetooth: HCI > device and connection > manager initialized > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Bluetooth: HCI > socket layer initialized > Mar 9 10:09:07 kelley4gov kernel: Bluetooth: L2CAP > ver 2.8 > > > Burke Almquist wrote: > > Check the logs at startup, if it is failing to > start, or crashing right > > after boot, it should give you an idea why. Does > it say anything. > > > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > >> The power went out this morning and when it came > back on the K12LTSP > >> server booted with no problems, and the thin > clients were able to > >> connect as normal. But I also have some Windows > boxes on the same > >> network and they get their addresses from the > LTSP server and treat > >> it (the server) as the default gateway, which was > working. So far, > >> so good. But the Windows boxes couldn't connect > to the internet. > >> After poking around a bit I concluded that NAT > wasn't running: there > >> was no /proc/net/ipconntrack file. The /etc/ > init.d/nat script > >> doesn't support the 'status' switch, so I just > ran 'service nat > >> start', /proc/net/ipconntrack appeared, and the > Windows boxes were > >> able to get to the internet. > >> > >> I noticed the same problem a couple months ago > when I first installed > >> the server at the site, that NAT was not working > after bootup. > >> chkconfig shows NAT to be on for runlevels 2-5. > What would cause it > >> to not start at boot? > >> > >> Petre > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ssanders at coin.org Sun Mar 12 08:08:40 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:08:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] printing bandwidth on client In-Reply-To: <385551EA-70DE-451F-8F83-EC81F40C8E70@mindfirestudios.com> References: <4411CC9C.20706@hgresa.org> <1142099356.31787.1.camel@bofh.ltsp> <385551EA-70DE-451F-8F83-EC81F40C8E70@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <1142150920.6876.17.camel@bofh.ltsp> It is a large room, and USB cable length = about 5 meters? A local connection would require more than that. I know there are USB Repeaters, but I have no experience with them. I'm still wondering if there is more load on the client with a local printer as far as CPU/ram, as compared to a network printer. Ethereal or tcpdump would solve the bandwidth part of my question, I know. The client is always on, availability is not a problem. The print jobs are low volume, and appear to be below 10 Mbytes. thanx From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Mon Mar 13 04:23:30 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:23:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Printers stop in cups k12ltsp 4.4.1 Message-ID: I have been reviewing the k12 archives for this problem which I have seen the same problem in archive with no answer. I have networked HP Laserjet 4000n and Lexmark 240N print queues on the K12 Ltsp 4.4.1 server. What happens is the print queues stop when the printer runs out of paper. Then the queues do not restart until I go into the cups interface and start the print queues. Also, I have the HP Laserjet 4000n queue on Redhat ES 3.0 as samba print queue and I do not have this problem. I think there is a problem with Fedora's implementation of cups. I did yum update which had cups update, but this did not help. Any ideas? Thanks -Glenn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 07:24:35 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 02:24:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Printers stop in cups k12ltsp 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560603122324y43be1812t9fe9970be5e5e388@mail.gmail.com> Hey Glenn, Put this or, something like it, in your crontab. Other people have more elegant ways of doing it but i find that this works: */10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable [printer1] [printer2] ..... Peter On 3/12/06, Glenn Arnold wrote: > > > > I have been reviewing the k12 archives for this problem which I have seen > the same problem in archive with no answer. I have networked HP Laserjet > 4000n and Lexmark 240N print queues on the K12 Ltsp 4.4.1 server. What > happens is the print queues stop when the printer runs out of paper. Then > the queues do not restart until I go into the cups interface and start the > print queues. Also, I have the HP Laserjet 4000n queue on Redhat ES 3.0 as > samba print queue and I do not have this problem. I think there is a > problem with Fedora's implementation of cups. I did yum update which had > cups update, but this did not help. Any ideas? > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Mar 13 13:54:17 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:54:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] eMac video driver question Message-ID: <1142258057.18613.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello List, Wondering if anyone has done an PPC install of any Linux distro onto an eMac hard drive? The reason being, Id like to find out what video driver Linux uses on these beasts? Ive tryed all combinations of Radeon xyz drivers, which i think these boxes have for video incorporated, into an XF86Config-4 file and still have no joy. In other words Id like to do a fixup very much the same as the XF86Config-4.indigo file that works on Bondi & Indigo iMac's. Anyone have any ideas on this? K12LTSP 4.2.0 Take Care, Barry Cisna From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Mar 13 14:00:02 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:00:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] eMac video driver question In-Reply-To: <1142258057.18613.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <200603131432.k2DEWAZF016825@mx1.redhat.com> Barry, I'm 99% sure Macs use ATI graphic cards for video. Recently I loaded Ubuntu 5.10 onto an older eMac we had laying around (about 4 years old) and video worked perfectly without any tweaking. What distro are you trying to load onto the eMac? I notice you said you had been struggling to get video working, but what distro were you working with? -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Barry Cisna Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:54 AM To: K12OSN Subject: [K12OSN] eMac video driver question Hello List, Wondering if anyone has done an PPC install of any Linux distro onto an eMac hard drive? The reason being, Id like to find out what video driver Linux uses on these beasts? Ive tryed all combinations of Radeon xyz drivers, which i think these boxes have for video incorporated, into an XF86Config-4 file and still have no joy. In other words Id like to do a fixup very much the same as the XF86Config-4.indigo file that works on Bondi & Indigo iMac's. Anyone have any ideas on this? K12LTSP 4.2.0 Take Care, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Mar 13 15:04:49 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:04:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] eMac video driver question Message-ID: <1142262289.24409.15.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Paul, I should have made my post clearer, I guess. Im trying to get the eMac's setup to be thin clients as we inherited about 40 imac's, emac's as our school consolidated over this past summer with another school.There is such a hodge podge of software on these machines I thought turning them into K12LTSP thin clients would be a good fit for these machines. they would make very nice thin client boxes me thinks. We have these all located in one room and I have the imacs booting up fine both Indigo & Bondi models. The emacs will boot fine but fail at the Xserver:(. Id like to get the emacs working as well so that room would be 100% K12LTSP, which would be a good selling point/pitch for K12LTSP at our school.What i was wanting to find out was what video driver Linux id's the video card as in eMac's through a hard drive install. Then I can possibly cobble up something in a new XF86Config-4.emac file that relates to a "hard drive" install of Linux. >From what ive read on emac spec sheets is the emacs have an ati Radeon 7200, 9600 something. I'm not really at all familiar with mac stuff,,or i should say fairly new Mac stuff. I guess i could look in the Mac control panel thingie but i thought an actual hard drive install of Linux on these would be a more accurate driver config ,as far as making the XF86Config file work. Does this make sense? We are using K12LTSP 4.2.0 and Ive added the PPC rpm to it. Take Care, Barry Cisna From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 13 15:19:17 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:19:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NAT not starting on bootup In-Reply-To: <29F0069E-72B7-4EC4-AEDC-B48D5E4D7CA9@mindfirestudios.com> References: <441079DC.9070104@maltzen.net> <44137203.1050600@maltzen.net> <5E394458-D20E-48D6-8896-342EBFD8C073@mindfirestudios.com> <29F0069E-72B7-4EC4-AEDC-B48D5E4D7CA9@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <44158D75.1080509@maltzen.net> Okay, I think I know what might be happening: Because of some changes in the network layout after the server was built, iptables has never worked quite right; specifically, it interferes with the Windows boxes' ability to talk to Samba on the server. So, while it's still set to 'on' in chkconfig, I've been turning it off after a boot. This means the NAT stuff, which is just some parameters fed into iptables and is done after /etc/init.d/iptables is run, goes away, too. That would explain why starting NAT manually works until the next reboot. So, I can either fix iptables or set it to 'off' in chkconfig, and then I think everything will be okay. Thanks Burke, it was your mention of NAT starting before iptables (it doesn't--but it could) that gave me the clue as to what was happening. Petre Burke Almquist wrote: > I wonder if nat isn't somehow trying to start before iptables or another > supporting service, causing it to fail. Does it have any startup > dependancies? > > On Mar 11, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Burke Almquist wrote: > >> ip_contrack means that iptables has been started, but not necessarily >> nat. >> Does that nat service have it's own script in init.d and is it >> executable? >> I know that nat and iptables were separate scripts on older versions >> of K12LTSP. >> >> On Mar 11, 2006, at 6:57 PM, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> Here's a snippet from /var/log/messages. Notice on line 11 that it >>> mentions ip_conntrack, which suggests that the NAT startup script ran >>> as it should. There's no further mention of ip_conntrack until the >>> time that I ran the script again manually about 90 minutes later. >>> So, it would seem that something knocked it down. Since I started it >>> manually, it's been fine. This is consistent with what I saw the >>> last time I booted the machine, that once I run the startup script >>> manually, NAT stays up. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 13 15:23:55 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:23:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] printing bandwidth on client In-Reply-To: References: <4411CC9C.20706@hgresa.org> <1142099356.31787.1.camel@bofh.ltsp> <441348F3.2020002@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <44158E8B.8090104@maltzen.net> Not to play the 'money is no object' card, but you could pick up a little 5-port switch for under $20, and plug the network drop, the terminal, and the printer into it. That way, you don't have to have the terminal on for the printer to be available. I generally prefer the 'whatever costs the least amount of cash' approach, but that isn't always the top priority. Petre Burke Almquist wrote: > Whoops, I missed the part about only having one network drop in the > room. That's a good reason to hook it up to the thin client. The only > thing about that is that the thin client would need to stay on in order > for people to print to it. > > On Mar 11, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Jim McQuillan wrote: > >> I'd have no problem suggesting that you just connect the printer to >> the thin client. >>> Is there any difference in network traffic by having the printer >>> standalone on the network as compared to being connected to the >>> terminal? There is only one cable drop in that room, and would >>> require a hub/switch to share the connection. That network segment is >>> 100mbit, with a gigabit switch upstream aggregating the other traffic >>> to the server. >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 13 15:26:22 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:26:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Printers stop in cups k12ltsp 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44158F1E.7030209@maltzen.net> I've just noticed this happening recently, too, with my 4.4.1 server. And it was not a problem with my 3.1.2 server (FC2? FC3?) Petre Glenn Arnold wrote: > I have been reviewing the k12 archives for this problem which I have > seen the same problem in archive with no answer. I have networked HP > Laserjet 4000n and Lexmark 240N print queues on the K12 Ltsp 4.4.1 > server. What happens is the print queues stop when the printer runs out > of paper. Then the queues do not restart until I go into the cups > interface and start the print queues. Also, I have the HP Laserjet > 4000n queue on Redhat ES 3.0 as samba print queue and I do not have this > problem. I think there is a problem with Fedora?s implementation of > cups. I did yum update which had cups update, but this did not help. > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From trond at maehlum.net Mon Mar 13 15:48:34 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?windows-1252?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:48:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Printers stop in cups k12ltsp 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <44158F1E.7030209@maltzen.net> References: <44158F1E.7030209@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44159452.7050202@maehlum.net> Petre Scheie skrev: > I've just noticed this happening recently, too, with my 4.4.1 server. > And it was not a problem with my 3.1.2 server (FC2? FC3?) We too had a problem with this. It happened often on FC4. We grew tired of this, and installed a seperate printserver on Debian. It acts as a cupsserver and our K12LTSPservers are set up as cupsclients. Problem solved. Regards Trond Maehlum > Petre > > Glenn Arnold wrote: >> I have been reviewing the k12 archives for this problem which I have >> seen the same problem in archive with no answer. I have networked HP >> Laserjet 4000n and Lexmark 240N print queues on the K12 Ltsp 4.4.1 >> server. What happens is the print queues stop when the printer runs >> out of paper. Then the queues do not restart until I go into the cups >> interface and start the print queues. Also, I have the HP Laserjet >> 4000n queue on Redhat ES 3.0 as samba print queue and I do not have >> this problem. I think there is a problem with Fedora?s implementation >> of cups. I did yum update which had cups update, but this did not >> help. Any ideas? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> -Glenn >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From william at fragakis.com Mon Mar 13 17:33:41 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:33:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: eMac video driver question In-Reply-To: <20060313170031.2754673CCC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060313170031.2754673CCC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4e93d87361d06d0e3399992b29c3991f@fragakis.com> Not that I don't love K12LTSP... (and not that I don't have a 1ghz eMac overclocked to 1.4 ;-) ) the old CRT imacs should be "clientized" (and not that I'm not typing on a G3 400 imac at the moment, either) but some of the eMacs may be of great use as video/music stations with Garage Band, iMovie, etc. We'd love to have a couple of eMacs ourselves to do this on but funds don't permit it. It may make much more sense to use them that way than something equivalent to an old Dell Optiplex. If you are absolutely strapped for funds or donated PCs, I'm sure they'd make great clients in the all in one form factor. But they do other things extremely well, too. regards, William On Mar 13, 2006, at 12:00 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:04:49 -0600 > From: Barry Cisna > Subject: [K12OSN] eMac video driver question > To: K12OSN > Message-ID: <1142262289.24409.15.camel at hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Paul, > > I should have made my post clearer, I guess. > Im trying to get the eMac's setup to be thin clients as we inherited > about 40 imac's, emac's as our school consolidated over this past > summer > with another school.There is such a hodge podge of software on these > machines I thought turning them into K12LTSP thin clients would be a > good fit for these machines. they would make very nice thin client > boxes > me thinks. We have these all located in one room and I have the imacs > booting up fine both Indigo & Bondi models. The emacs will boot fine > but > fail at the Xserver:(. Id like to get the emacs working as well so that > room would be 100% K12LTSP, which would be a good selling point/pitch > for K12LTSP at our school.What i was wanting to find out was what video > driver Linux id's the video card as in eMac's through a hard drive > install. Then I can possibly cobble up something in a new > XF86Config-4.emac file that relates to a "hard drive" install of Linux. >> From what ive read on emac spec sheets is the emacs have an ati Radeon > 7200, 9600 something. I'm not really at all familiar with mac stuff,,or > i should say fairly new Mac stuff. I guess i could look in the Mac > control panel thingie but i thought an actual hard drive install of > Linux on these would be a more accurate driver config ,as far as making > the XF86Config file work. > Does this make sense? > We are using K12LTSP 4.2.0 and Ive added the PPC rpm to it. > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > From fdc31 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 13 17:22:13 2006 From: fdc31 at yahoo.com (dean c) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:22:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Network Printers stop in cups k12ltsp 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060313172213.87577.qmail@web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> unsubscribe fdc31 at yahoo.com --- Glenn Arnold wrote: > I have been reviewing the k12 archives for this > problem which I have > seen the same problem in archive with no answer. I > have networked HP > Laserjet 4000n and Lexmark 240N print queues on the > K12 Ltsp 4.4.1 > server. What happens is the print queues stop when > the printer runs out > of paper. Then the queues do not restart until I go > into the cups > interface and start the print queues. Also, I have > the HP Laserjet > 4000n queue on Redhat ES 3.0 as samba print queue > and I do not have this > problem. I think there is a problem with Fedora's > implementation of > cups. I did yum update which had cups update, but > this did not help. > Any ideas? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon Mar 13 20:28:56 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:28:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: eMac video driver question In-Reply-To: <4e93d87361d06d0e3399992b29c3991f@fragakis.com> References: <20060313170031.2754673CCC@hormel.redhat.com> <4e93d87361d06d0e3399992b29c3991f@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <4415D608.6070408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> I would also agree. The eMacs are much to valuable machines to just have as thin clients. One can use any old clunker for that, but an eMac is about a 2.4Ghz processor. They make great video editing machines. Let the students loose on iMovie, iPhoto and iDVD and without much instruction those kids will produce fantastic stuff - stuff you CANNOT do on a thin client attached to LTSP. I would collect any old PII/PIII or less and connect that to the LTSP, but leave the eMacs as stand alone workstations configuring them to connect to the Samba file shares on the LTSP server. They will do that very easily. When on the desktop hit Apple-K to connect ... type in the IP address of your file server. Make the connection. Make an alias of the connection it created on the desktop. Clik on that alias and hit Apple-I (info) lock that alias so it cannot easily be deleted. Leave it on the desktop for any student to login and save their work to the server. Much to simple, much to elegant, much to powerful to use as a thin client. greetings Joe Guenther William Fragakis wrote: > Not that I don't love K12LTSP... > > (and not that I don't have a 1ghz eMac overclocked to 1.4 ;-) ) > > the old CRT imacs should be "clientized" (and not that I'm not typing > on a G3 400 imac at the moment, either) > > but some of the eMacs may be of great use as video/music stations with > Garage Band, iMovie, etc. We'd love to have a couple of eMacs > ourselves to do this on but funds don't permit it. It may make much > more sense to use them that way than something equivalent to an old > Dell Optiplex. If you are absolutely strapped for funds or donated > PCs, I'm sure they'd make great clients in the all in one form factor. > But they do other things extremely well, too. > > regards, > William > > > On Mar 13, 2006, at 12:00 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:04:49 -0600 >> From: Barry Cisna >> Subject: [K12OSN] eMac video driver question >> To: K12OSN >> Message-ID: <1142262289.24409.15.camel at hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> Paul, >> >> I should have made my post clearer, I guess. >> Im trying to get the eMac's setup to be thin clients as we inherited >> about 40 imac's, emac's as our school consolidated over this past summer >> with another school.There is such a hodge podge of software on these >> machines I thought turning them into K12LTSP thin clients would be a >> good fit for these machines. they would make very nice thin client boxes >> me thinks. We have these all located in one room and I have the imacs >> booting up fine both Indigo & Bondi models. The emacs will boot fine but >> fail at the Xserver:(. Id like to get the emacs working as well so that >> room would be 100% K12LTSP, which would be a good selling point/pitch >> for K12LTSP at our school.What i was wanting to find out was what video >> driver Linux id's the video card as in eMac's through a hard drive >> install. Then I can possibly cobble up something in a new >> XF86Config-4.emac file that relates to a "hard drive" install of Linux. >>> From what ive read on emac spec sheets is the emacs have an ati Radeon >> 7200, 9600 something. I'm not really at all familiar with mac stuff,,or >> i should say fairly new Mac stuff. I guess i could look in the Mac >> control panel thingie but i thought an actual hard drive install of >> Linux on these would be a more accurate driver config ,as far as making >> the XF86Config file work. >> Does this make sense? >> We are using K12LTSP 4.2.0 and Ive added the PPC rpm to it. >> >> Take Care, >> >> Barry Cisna >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:4415ad1a274471990514295! > > From piritarodo at hotmail.com Mon Mar 13 19:42:37 2006 From: piritarodo at hotmail.com (Alejandro Mel) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:42:37 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] help with a server please Message-ID: Hello First of all nice to meet you Iam from Argentina and have to set a server for a internet cafe. The customers are going to use Staroffice, abiword, Firefox, sometimes MP3 playback and rarely wath some divx video. So I considered the possibility of building the internet cafe with LTSP which I realized that it has lots of advantages and I will save a big amount of money. I bought very cheap second hand 20 compaq deskpro 233Mhx mmx 32MB Floppy and 2mb S3 video card and 3COM 100Mbit netcard Regarding the network, I am thinking of buying a 24 port switch with one/two 1GBIT port for the server The only thing I can t decide is the SERVER because Iam a little confused. Iam going to tell you what I have in mind..... tell me wrong things, changes , etc...etc etc ( you should take into account I LIVE IN ARGENTINA, SO THE HARDWARE HERE IS VERY EXPENSIVE AND SOMETIMES NEW HARDWARE IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO GET IT) AMD SEMPRON 3000+ 1GB KINGSTON/CORSAIR DUAL cas 2.5 WESTERN DIGITAL 76 GB RAPTOR 10K A POWERFULL POWER SUPPLY 500W TOPOWER UPS FOR MORE STABILITY what do you think about RAID 0 with two raptor wd??? ECC CAS2 MEMORY is wasting money??? _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en l?nea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.latam.msn.com/ From fdc31 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 13 21:45:27 2006 From: fdc31 at yahoo.com (dean c) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:45:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Network Printers stop in cups k12ltsp 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <20060313172213.87577.qmail@web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060313214527.51846.qmail@web35407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> unsubscribe fdc31 at yahoo.com --- dean c wrote: > > unsubscribe fdc31 at yahoo.com > --- Glenn Arnold > wrote: > > > I have been reviewing the k12 archives for this > > problem which I have > > seen the same problem in archive with no answer. > I > > have networked HP > > Laserjet 4000n and Lexmark 240N print queues on > the > > K12 Ltsp 4.4.1 > > server. What happens is the print queues stop > when > > the printer runs out > > of paper. Then the queues do not restart until I > go > > into the cups > > interface and start the print queues. Also, I > have > > the HP Laserjet > > 4000n queue on Redhat ES 3.0 as samba print queue > > and I do not have this > > problem. I think there is a problem with Fedora's > > implementation of > > cups. I did yum update which had cups update, but > > this did not help. > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 22:29:19 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:29:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560603071404i26e9ef7aoa828966aafe67734@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560603081327g77157b8ave3dd8b3b1be480bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560603131429s4bfce633h8a9a530bc79afbbc@mail.gmail.com> Hey Robert, Success!!! I got rid of vnc-server.x86_64 and installed vnc-server.i386. I was wondering, are we meant to manually enter the vnc password every time we monitor or control? Mine asks and i'm wondering if this is the intended behavior. You rock!! Peter On 3/8/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/8/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I have ssh keys set up so that I can ssh into my terminal locally. > > I'm trying to get some specific info as to why vnc.so isn't loading at > > startup. So when i ssh in to the terminal and do insmod vnc.so i I > > get this: > > > > -sh-2.05b$ insmod /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so > > /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so: ELF file > > /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so not a relocatable object > > -sh-2.05b$ > > > > What does this mean? > > I don't think you can load vnc.so that way. > vnc.so is an X11 module. It gets loaded when the client starts X. > My site has instructions how to load it. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From fdc31 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 13 21:46:24 2006 From: fdc31 at yahoo.com (dean c) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:46:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] help with a server please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060313214624.92567.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> unsubscribe fdc31 at yahoo.com --- Alejandro Mel wrote: > Hello > First of all nice to meet you > Iam from Argentina and have to set a server for a > internet cafe. The > customers are going to use Staroffice, abiword, > Firefox, sometimes MP3 > playback and rarely wath some divx video. > > So I considered the possibility of building the > internet cafe with LTSP > which I realized that it has lots of advantages and > I will save a big amount > of money. > > I bought very cheap second hand 20 compaq deskpro > 233Mhx mmx 32MB Floppy > and 2mb S3 video card and 3COM 100Mbit netcard > > Regarding the network, I am thinking of buying a 24 > port switch with one/two > 1GBIT port for the server > > The only thing I can t decide is the SERVER because > Iam a little confused. > Iam going to tell you what I have in mind..... tell > me wrong things, changes > , etc...etc etc > > ( you should take into account I LIVE IN ARGENTINA, > SO THE HARDWARE HERE IS > VERY EXPENSIVE AND SOMETIMES NEW HARDWARE IS > DIFFICULT FOR ME TO GET IT) > > AMD SEMPRON 3000+ > 1GB KINGSTON/CORSAIR DUAL cas 2.5 > WESTERN DIGITAL 76 GB RAPTOR 10K > A POWERFULL POWER SUPPLY 500W TOPOWER > UPS FOR MORE STABILITY > > what do you think about RAID 0 with two raptor wd??? > ECC CAS2 MEMORY is > wasting money??? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Charla con tus amigos en l?nea mediante MSN > Messenger: > http://messenger.latam.msn.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 01:32:55 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:02:55 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] help with a server please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20603131732n4f031667n@mail.gmail.com> On 14/03/06, Alejandro Mel wrote: > > I bought very cheap second hand 20 compaq deskpro 233Mhx mmx 32MB Floppy > and 2mb S3 video card and 3COM 100Mbit netcard > > Regarding the network, I am thinking of buying a 24 port switch with one/two > 1GBIT port for the server > > The only thing I can t decide is the SERVER because Iam a little confused. > Iam going to tell you what I have in mind..... tell me wrong things, changes > , etc...etc etc > > AMD SEMPRON 3000+ > 1GB KINGSTON/CORSAIR DUAL cas 2.5 > WESTERN DIGITAL 76 GB RAPTOR 10K > A POWERFULL POWER SUPPLY 500W TOPOWER > UPS FOR MORE STABILITY > > what do you think about RAID 0 with two raptor wd??? ECC CAS2 MEMORY is > wasting money??? With 20 clients in cyber cafe I strongly recommend go for SCSI drives. I know they are expensive but worth every penny spent else with 20 users (or even 10+) disk(s) will start becoming performance bottleneck. If you can bump the RAM to 2gb it would be good or you will see lot of swap happening. In fact the first priority is RAM and then SCSI drive. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From drloomis at cox-internet.com Tue Mar 14 02:14:19 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:14:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] re: NAT not starting on bootup Message-ID: <441626FB.503@cox-internet.com> Petre, Your problem with Windows and samba shares suggests that you have not opened ports 137, 138 & 139 for tcp and udp traffic. The following is what I have on my K12LTSP 4.2.1 server and samba shares are all accessible from Windows pcs. -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 137 --syn -j ACCEPT -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 138 --syn -j ACCEPT -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 139 --syn -j ACCEPT -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 137 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 138 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 139 -j ACCEPT With the above added to your /etc/sysconfig/iptables file you should not have to turn it off to access smb shares. Dan From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Mar 14 02:45:01 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:45:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] help with a server please In-Reply-To: <774593a20603131732n4f031667n@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20603131732n4f031667n@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44162E2D.8070508@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Tue Mar 14 02:45:27 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:45:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] help with a server please In-Reply-To: <44162E2D.8070508@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <774593a20603131732n4f031667n@mail.gmail.com> <44162E2D.8070508@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <44162E47.1080402@rogueriver.k12.or.us> On a somewhat related note, I can't help but wonder if a single Sempron of any stripe is going to be enough to churn the numbers. If there's any way at all that you can manage an athlon, I think you'll be much happier. Cheers, Mike Joe Guenther wrote: > Yes, by all means go with 2 Gb of RAM. > Another option to SCSI is SATA RAID 1 - striping. This way you have 2 drives > serving files. I have a dual 2.4Ghz Xeon, 4 GB RAM and 2 SATA drive on RAID 1 > serving 25 clients (have had up to 37 clients all doing diploma exams on > OpenOffice and printing without the slightest hicup). I do not do any user home > directory storage on the LTSP box but have the student authenticate and store > their files on a Novell 6.5 server. I do not think SCSI is worth the cost > today. I think there are good SATA RAID controllers and good SATA drives that > are just SO MUCH cheaper than scsi, that I cannot justify scsi just for ltsp in > a school or internet cafe environment. You get HUGE sata drives for very little > money - put them on a good sata RAID controller and you will not tell the > difference without some very very serious testing. I vote for sata! > > Joe Guenther > > Sudev Barar wrote: >> On 14/03/06, Alejandro Mel wrote: >> >>> I bought very cheap second hand 20 compaq deskpro 233Mhx mmx 32MB Floppy >>> and 2mb S3 video card and 3COM 100Mbit netcard >>> >>> Regarding the network, I am thinking of buying a 24 port switch with one/two >>> 1GBIT port for the server >>> >>> The only thing I can t decide is the SERVER because Iam a little confused. >>> Iam going to tell you what I have in mind..... tell me wrong things, changes >>> , etc...etc etc >>> >>> AMD SEMPRON 3000+ >>> 1GB KINGSTON/CORSAIR DUAL cas 2.5 >>> WESTERN DIGITAL 76 GB RAPTOR 10K >>> A POWERFULL POWER SUPPLY 500W TOPOWER >>> UPS FOR MORE STABILITY >>> >>> what do you think about RAID 0 with two raptor wd??? ECC CAS2 MEMORY is >>> wasting money??? >>> >> >> With 20 clients in cyber cafe I strongly recommend go for SCSI drives. >> I know they are expensive but worth every penny spent else with 20 >> users (or even 10+) disk(s) will start becoming performance >> bottleneck. If you can bump the RAM to 2gb it would be good or you >> will see lot of swap happening. In fact the first priority is RAM and >> then SCSI drive. >> -- >> Sudev Barar >> Learning Linux >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> !DSPAM:44161d5580747915514021! >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Tue Mar 14 03:12:25 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:12:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Printers stop in cups k12ltsp 4.4.1 Message-ID: Thanks Peter! That is what I needed! -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Peter Hartmann [mailto:ascensiontech at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:25 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Network Printers stop in cups k12ltsp 4.4.1 Hey Glenn, Put this or, something like it, in your crontab. Other people have more elegant ways of doing it but i find that this works: */10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable [printer1] [printer2] ..... Peter On 3/12/06, Glenn Arnold wrote: > > > > I have been reviewing the k12 archives for this problem which I have seen > the same problem in archive with no answer. I have networked HP Laserjet > 4000n and Lexmark 240N print queues on the K12 Ltsp 4.4.1 server. What > happens is the print queues stop when the printer runs out of paper. Then > the queues do not restart until I go into the cups interface and start the > print queues. Also, I have the HP Laserjet 4000n queue on Redhat ES 3.0 as > samba print queue and I do not have this problem. I think there is a > problem with Fedora's implementation of cups. I did yum update which had > cups update, but this did not help. Any ideas? > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Mar 14 04:32:21 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:32:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] eMac video driver question In-Reply-To: <1142258057.18613.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1142258057.18613.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: Just installed Ubuntu PPC on an eMac.....works flawlessly "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, March 13, 2006 at 8:54 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello List, > >Wondering if anyone has done an PPC install of any Linux distro onto an >eMac hard drive? The reason being, Id like to find out what video driver >Linux uses on these beasts? Ive tryed all combinations of Radeon xyz >drivers, which i think these boxes have for video incorporated, into an >XF86Config-4 file and still have no joy. >In other words Id like to do a fixup very much the same as the >XF86Config-4.indigo file that works on Bondi & Indigo iMac's. >Anyone have any ideas on this? > > >K12LTSP 4.2.0 > >Take Care, > >Barry Cisna > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Mar 14 04:32:21 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:32:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] eMac video driver question In-Reply-To: <1142258057.18613.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1142258057.18613.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: Just installed Ubuntu PPC on an eMac.....works flawlessly "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, March 13, 2006 at 8:54 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello List, > >Wondering if anyone has done an PPC install of any Linux distro onto an >eMac hard drive? The reason being, Id like to find out what video driver >Linux uses on these beasts? Ive tryed all combinations of Radeon xyz >drivers, which i think these boxes have for video incorporated, into an >XF86Config-4 file and still have no joy. >In other words Id like to do a fixup very much the same as the >XF86Config-4.indigo file that works on Bondi & Indigo iMac's. >Anyone have any ideas on this? > > >K12LTSP 4.2.0 > >Take Care, > >Barry Cisna > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 14 04:53:42 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:53:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <440E1F96.9090406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <440E1F96.9090406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: I've been fighting a flu bug, have not got much done recently. I finished a new build based on today's rawhide, which should be pretty close to what the final FC5 should look like. This build fixes some bugs, and for good measure adds a few new ones. Hopefully I'll have a largely bug-free version ready in the near future. Until then... > This is very rough around the edges and has many obvious, glaring bugs. > But with a little TLC, it has been known to boot a terminal or two. > > If you are one of those crazy and foolish types that like to wreak your > computer with known-broken, pre-alpha software, here is where I have > placed the voodoo: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . > New Notes: DHCP now works. The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a feature, not a bug. Updated Notes: > Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next build. Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora install, you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't automate this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in order to turn of "LTSP". > Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux. I'll fix this in the > next build as well. Didn't get around to fixing this one, it is still broken. Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux or your terminals will fail to boot. > I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they work > or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are broken. Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a dependancy, likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts up without error. > I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have no > idea if they work or not. Upgrades are currently broken. I know how I broke it, I'll unbreak it in the next build ;-) -Eric From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Mar 14 12:18:20 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:18:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] eMac video driver question Message-ID: <55994.172.28.8.55.1142338700.squirrel@172.28.8.55> David, Could you check on your fresh install of Ubuntu, and tell me what video driver/module it has used on your emac? Maybe I can take that and hack it into an XF68Config-4 file and get video through K12LTSP,on an emac this way. Possibly " ls pci" from a terminal.or you may know something more accurate? Thanks, Barry Cisna From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Mar 14 12:31:02 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:31:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] eMac video driver question Message-ID: <56054.172.28.8.55.1142339462.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, I agree with everyone here in that Mac does have some easy to use Video editing product. But We've been using( on thin clients) Cinerella , Blender, Mencoder, Gimp,you can plug in your dig cam through gimp for instance and you dont have to chase down drivers/installl...yada,,yada,as you end up doing with Mac or Winders. Gimp will simply "work"with any usb/firewire interface cam you plug in, and the thing I like about this stuff it is so, crossplatformable( new word). No proprietary movie formats with this stuff. Export your vid to whatever vidoe format suits your fancy.Mov,AVI, WMV,MPEG-2,Mpeg3,mpeg4,VBR,OGG,etc. Plus this stuff is so much more extensible,than Imovie,etc.In 3 months there are new versions out you can update to the latest codecs,etc, and no charge! These progs are not as wizardry as Mac progs but kids can find out real quick the inner workings of programs if they are interested in this kind of stuff. Just my 2cents. Take care, Barry Cisna From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Mar 14 12:39:08 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:39:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OSticket a good trouble ticket prog Message-ID: <56085.172.28.8.55.1142339948.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, I'm not sure, I may have thrown this out some time back. Just thought it may help someone else out. We setup OSticket here last year and has worked out very well for us,in that teachers use this to report probs,to. Osticket is very easy to setup,and interfaces with sendmail and Postfix very easily. It is a program that everyone at our school actually uses,due to the fact it is very simple & reliable. As long as you have http/php/mysql running you are good to go with this prog. If you dont have something like this in place id suggest giving it a try. I beleive OSticket, is currently stale but you can still download the latest version,from different ftp http sites. Just thought this might be an idea for someone out there that can never remeber what some individual tells you in the hallway ,their problem, then 5 minutes later you have completely forgot about what they said. Hope this helps. Take care, Barry Cisna From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Tue Mar 14 13:01:33 2006 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:01:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OSticket a good trouble ticket prog In-Reply-To: <56085.172.28.8.55.1142339948.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <56085.172.28.8.55.1142339948.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <1142341294.9279.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Another good one is "Hot Open Tickets" http://hotopentickets.sourceforge.net/index.html which allows web access to the MySQL database. Can assign rights to users, limiting what they can do. I use this for one High School and three Grammar Schools. Kids and administrators can see what action has been taken on their Trouble Call, plus my "to-do" list stays current. If the Trouble Call is not on the list - I don't work on it. This helps in preventing the hallway requests when I'm in a building. Larry On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 06:39 -0600, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello List, > > I'm not sure, I may have thrown this out some time back. > Just thought it may help someone else out. We setup OSticket here last > year and has worked out very well for us,in that teachers use this to > report probs,to. Osticket is very easy to setup,and interfaces with > sendmail and Postfix very easily. It is a program that everyone at our > school actually uses,due to the fact it is very simple & reliable. > As long as you have http/php/mysql running you are good to go with this prog. > If you dont have something like this in place id suggest giving it a try. > I beleive OSticket, is currently stale but you can still download the > latest version,from different ftp http sites. > Just thought this might be an idea for someone out there that can never > remeber what some individual tells you in the hallway ,their problem, then > 5 minutes later you have completely forgot about what they said. > Hope this helps. > > Take care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue Mar 14 13:41:45 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:41:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OSticket a good trouble ticket prog In-Reply-To: <56085.172.28.8.55.1142339948.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <56085.172.28.8.55.1142339948.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <4416C819.4070406@msad3.org> I've been using IRM http://www.stackworks.net/view.php/irm/index.html I've been using version 1.5.4 for a while. It runs on windows and linux. Besides doing the tickets, it does software tracking to machine and counts licenses, as long as you put them in. I have not been able to get the "email ticket update" function to work and I believe it is because it is on a windows2.3k server. I'm looking to move it to a linux server and update to 1.5.7 in my free time. YUK,YUK,YUK. It is short on documentation, but if you go this route, Email me and I'll do what I can. Mark cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: >Hello List, > >I'm not sure, I may have thrown this out some time back. >Just thought it may help someone else out. We setup OSticket here last >year and has worked out very well for us,in that teachers use this to >report probs,to. Osticket is very easy to setup,and interfaces with >sendmail and Postfix very easily. It is a program that everyone at our >school actually uses,due to the fact it is very simple & reliable. >As long as you have http/php/mysql running you are good to go with this prog. >If you dont have something like this in place id suggest giving it a try. >I beleive OSticket, is currently stale but you can still download the >latest version,from different ftp http sites. >Just thought this might be an idea for someone out there that can never >remeber what some individual tells you in the hallway ,their problem, then >5 minutes later you have completely forgot about what they said. >Hope this helps. > >Take care, > >Barry Cisna > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 14 14:34:44 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:34:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OSticket a good trouble ticket prog In-Reply-To: <4416C819.4070406@msad3.org> References: <56085.172.28.8.55.1142339948.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <4416C819.4070406@msad3.org> Message-ID: <1142346884.16169.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 07:41, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I've been using IRM > http://www.stackworks.net/view.php/irm/index.html Don't forget Request Tracker: http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/. It can be a little tricky to set up but is very flexible and dependable once you get it running. There is also an asset tracker add on that ties to inventory. There may be a VMware appliance version available soon to eliminate the trouble of installing all of the perl module dependencies. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Tue Mar 14 15:48:33 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:48:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OSticket a good trouble ticket prog In-Reply-To: <1142346884.16169.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <56085.172.28.8.55.1142339948.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <4416C819.4070406@msad3.org> <1142346884.16169.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4416E5D1.8010804@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 07:41, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> I've been using IRM >> http://www.stackworks.net/view.php/irm/index.html > > Don't forget Request Tracker: http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/. > It can be a little tricky to set up but is very flexible and > dependable once you get it running. There is also an > asset tracker add on that ties to inventory. There may > be a VMware appliance version available soon to eliminate > the trouble of installing all of the perl module dependencies. > The "trickiness level" really depends on your distro. Someone put in a TON of work getting RT working on Debian Sarge, so installing it for me was a matter of issuing the command "apt-get install request-tracker" and then agreeing to a lengthy list of prerequisites. Time from that command to having it configured with several queues, correct permissions, and integrated with my postfix and apache: about 3 hours. Aside from being very useful to me, one of the best moments of my RT setup came a couple of months later, when I was showing our setup to another education tech person (an ESD guy, actually), and his eyes grew wide as he said over and over "It can do THAT?" Turns out they'd spent well into five digits on a system that required IE6 for techs to look at tickets entered into the system, didn't automatically email a reply to ticket creators, didn't allow emails to pass through the system and be entered into the ticket tracking, and didn't allow internal comments. I didn't know what to say to him. Cheers, Mike From lighthumor at hotmail.com Tue Mar 14 15:10:50 2006 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:10:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] terminal local devices - floppy, cdrom, usb - "export local devices In-Reply-To: <61788.70.96.69.243.1142044647.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: We're on k12ltsp 4.2.1, and I haven't updated or modified much of it. I'm just downloading 4.4.1 now to see if it cures this, and I also want to try using USB on the clients. The MtoolsFM actually works, most of the time... however for some reason, after failing to read a corrupted floppy, it starts giving 'access denied' messages, on all subsequent floppies. The real trouble is, first I explain to the users that this isn't windows, then show them how to access the floppies, then I never know if it's the floppy that's bad, or the error, or a dirty drive, or... I can't get people to stop bringing floppies, that's not an option. People are not too sophisticated, they have no pendrives, no internet. I'll be trying that command, too. Thanks Barry! >From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us >Subject: [K12OSN] terminal local devices - floppy, cdrom, usb - "export >local devices with samba" >What version of K12LTSP. are you using? >I thought MToolsFM was about as simple and foolproof as you could get as >far as transfering from your home folder to usb drive or floppy for >students. From what you are describing you may may perms,on your home >folders not right,If you have floppy access enabled in the lts.conf file >that's really all you need and floppy usb/pen drive access should work,if >you are using v 4.4.1 K12LTSP. if using older version you will only get >floppy access unless you do some hacking. >do the following in a terminal. > >chmod -c -R 644 /home/* > >see if that cures your access denied prob. > >Take Care, > >Barry Cisna From GeorgeM at bps.k12.mt.us Tue Mar 14 17:32:19 2006 From: GeorgeM at bps.k12.mt.us (George Miller) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:32:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on school software.. Message-ID: Hi: I'm very interested in the K12LTSP thin client software for our school's labs. One question that keeps coming up is: "How do you folks use Accelerated Reading, Star Reading, Star Math and Accelerated Math?" Our district makes heavy use of these programs, and I check with their developers and they will not run under Linux, they will run on Windows thin client setup. I would appreciate hearing what you do if you need to use these programs. thank you, George From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Mar 14 17:37:48 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:37:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on school software.. Message-ID: <20060314103748.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.368b587a18.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> The current suite of Renaissance Place is web based and can be run on any client using a browser. We are currently using it with FireFox. Even if you don't plan to go to thinclients, I would highly recommend considering upgrading to Renaissance Place. I keep all of the data from my schools on one web server. The management of the product and all updates are just done on one box. This is soooooo much easier than the desktop version. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "I would rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than ride in a car with Ted Kennedy." > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Question on school software.. > From: "George Miller" > Date: Tue, March 14, 2006 11:32 am > To: > > Hi: > I'm very interested in the K12LTSP thin client software for our school's labs. > > One question that keeps coming up is: "How do you folks use Accelerated Reading, Star Reading, Star Math and Accelerated Math?" > > Our district makes heavy use of these programs, and I check with their developers and they will not run under Linux, they will run > on Windows thin client setup. > > I would appreciate hearing what you do if you need to use these programs. > > thank you, > > George > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Mar 14 17:51:42 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:51:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tftp problem on client after IP change on server Message-ID: <20060314105142.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.89a37d8f43.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> When I change the IP address of my LTSP server, single NIC, and boot a client, the client hangs at TFTP.... I have checked the following files to make sure that the IP address is updated: /etc/exports /etc/hosts.allow /etc/rc.d/init.d/nat /etc/hosts /etc/dhcpd.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/hosts-update.sh /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/setup-update.sh Is there any where else that I need to check???? Thanks, Ron " I would rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than ride in a car with Ted Kennedy." Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Mar 14 17:59:23 2006 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:59:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <20060303143028.558B573049@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060303143028.558B573049@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1142359163.20401.0.camel@discovery.hhp> Jeff, Don't know if you need this still, but: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/GDM%20auto-login%20with% 20specific%20users%20to%20specific%20terminals or I've done a modification of the script that allows you to specify what user logs into what terminal (ie: the username != hostname). Henry On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 09:30 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > From: Jeffrey Myers [mailto:JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us] > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:39 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] GDM.conf Timed Login and setting up mulitple users > > > > Is there a way to edit the GDM.conf to specify multiple timed user > login's? > I have seen the documentation out there for KDM. Under the Auto Login > with > KDM, you specify the host and Auto Login. > > > > [X-ws004:0-Core] > > AutoLoginEnable=true > > AutoLogin=username > > > > Can you do this with the GDM.conf for timed login? I am trying to > configure > 3 different users with different profiles. I have edited the > dhcpd.conf > file to specify a static address to a specific MAC. That works great, > but I > just cant figure out how to edit the GDM.conf file. Thanks for your > help > group. > > > > JEFFREY M > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Mar 14 18:17:33 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:17:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Question on school software.. Message-ID: <52264.172.28.8.55.1142360253.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello George, Ive gotten AR,AM,SR,SM all to run under Wine program.If you're not real familiar with Linux, Wine is a "Windows Emulator". The downside to this is learning how to install windows progs via wine. You also have to setup icons for each user which is a downside if your trying to get this all setup in a hurry.Its not an instant install in other words, but these programs will actually function via wine. I'm sure you've run into the file locking crud and all that ,that goes along with AR and the rest.You then just direct the program to your data location same as installing on a winders box. As RM mentioned from what Ive heard, the way to go is the Renassaince Place update for all your progs that rolls them all into one database. The cost is not real great & is based on number of students as well as what programs you actualy want to use via RP, is how the update pricing works. We have not done this, and I wish the people in charge here would do this. I think in the long run you'd find the management with Rennasaince progs easier once you get familiar with K12LTSP,and the wine program, if you choose to not go with the RP update/ web browsered route. Hope this helps. Barry Cisna From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue Mar 14 18:26:23 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:26:23 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSticket a good trouble ticket prog In-Reply-To: <20060314170037.95CDA736B3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060314170037.95CDA736B3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1142360784.3971.10.camel@rolston.localdomain> Thanks Barry and the rest who replied, I was searching for job tracking / trouble ticket software yesterday. Do you have a URL for OSTicket. A bit OT here, hopefully someone on the list can point me in the right direction. I've been looking for good OSS business accounting software. So far the most suitable seem to be Quasar, and SQL-ledger. Does anyone know of something that will handle small to medium sized businesses, in a service industry, that has built in ticket tracking / job notes? Is it a matter of using two separate products and working on linking them somehow? Thanks for your time folks, Bert Rolston From roy at mpk.com Tue Mar 14 18:41:51 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:41:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603141854.k2EIsU1u028781@mx3.redhat.com> Eric, The install fails at video. I tried "linux text" and the same results. This worked with your previous version on 3-7. Hope your felling better. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:54 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP I've been fighting a flu bug, have not got much done recently. I finished a new build based on today's rawhide, which should be pretty close to what the final FC5 should look like. This build fixes some bugs, and for good measure adds a few new ones. Hopefully I'll have a largely bug-free version ready in the near future. Until then... > This is very rough around the edges and has many obvious, glaring bugs. > But with a little TLC, it has been known to boot a terminal or two. > > If you are one of those crazy and foolish types that like to wreak your > computer with known-broken, pre-alpha software, here is where I have > placed the voodoo: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . > New Notes: DHCP now works. The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a feature, not a bug. Updated Notes: > Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next build. Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora install, you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't automate this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in order to turn of "LTSP". > Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux. I'll fix this in the > next build as well. Didn't get around to fixing this one, it is still broken. Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux or your terminals will fail to boot. > I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they work > or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are broken. Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a dependancy, likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts up without error. > I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have no > idea if they work or not. Upgrades are currently broken. I know how I broke it, I'll unbreak it in the next build ;-) -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From roy at mpk.com Tue Mar 14 19:41:14 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:41:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603142008.k2EK822i019809@mx1.redhat.com> Eric, I figured it out. It was my nvraid. FC5t3 no longer supports nv_sata during install. With your first set it failed after I selected keyboard. This I understood because the next step was druid. It's just kinda of odd it failed with the newer set as the video was loading. Sorry for the confusion. Roy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:54 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP I've been fighting a flu bug, have not got much done recently. I finished a new build based on today's rawhide, which should be pretty close to what the final FC5 should look like. This build fixes some bugs, and for good measure adds a few new ones. Hopefully I'll have a largely bug-free version ready in the near future. Until then... > This is very rough around the edges and has many obvious, glaring bugs. > But with a little TLC, it has been known to boot a terminal or two. > > If you are one of those crazy and foolish types that like to wreak your > computer with known-broken, pre-alpha software, here is where I have > placed the voodoo: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . > New Notes: DHCP now works. The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a feature, not a bug. Updated Notes: > Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next build. Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora install, you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't automate this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in order to turn of "LTSP". > Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux. I'll fix this in the > next build as well. Didn't get around to fixing this one, it is still broken. Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux or your terminals will fail to boot. > I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they work > or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are broken. Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a dependancy, likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts up without error. > I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have no > idea if they work or not. Upgrades are currently broken. I know how I broke it, I'll unbreak it in the next build ;-) -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 20:19:22 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:19:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200603142008.k2EK822i019809@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200603142008.k2EK822i019809@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603141219n43a77c09j911653393cdbc1fd@mail.gmail.com> I've installed this on a old Dell 530 and it seemed to go fine but it would not boot. Grub never appeared so it probably did not write the boot sector properly. Not sure if this is hardware or not because this is an old machine. I also installed this on a newer Dell 670. I went with all the defaults. After the first boot I disabled the firewall and SELinux and rebooted. I tried to PXE boot a laptop known to work but it never gets the image. The last message in the log is *tftp client does not accept options* but I don't think this is a problem from what I've been reading. DHCP seems to work fine because I get offeres and the pxe device gets an ip. So far none of my terminals have booted. I'm going to install 4.4.1 and see if any differences appear. Jack On 3/14/06, Roy wrote: > > Eric, > > I figured it out. It was my nvraid. FC5t3 no longer supports nv_sata > during > install. With your first set it failed after I selected keyboard. This I > understood because the next step was druid. It's just kinda of odd it > failed > with the newer set as the video was loading. Sorry for the confusion. > > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:54 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > > > I've been fighting a flu bug, have not got much done recently. I finished > a new build based on today's rawhide, which should be pretty close to what > the final FC5 should look like. This build fixes some bugs, and for good > measure adds a few new ones. Hopefully I'll have a largely bug-free > version > ready in the near future. Until then... > > > > This is very rough around the edges and has many obvious, glaring bugs. > > But with a little TLC, it has been known to boot a terminal or two. > > > > If you are one of those crazy and foolish types that like to wreak your > > computer with known-broken, pre-alpha software, here is where I have > > placed the voodoo: > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . > > > > > New Notes: > > DHCP now works. > > The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. > > Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a > feature, > not a bug. > > > Updated Notes: > > > Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next > build. > > Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora > install, > you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't > automate > this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in order > to turn of "LTSP". > > > Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux. I'll fix this in the > > next build as well. > > Didn't get around to fixing this one, it is still broken. Be sure to > select "Permissive" mode for SELinux or your terminals will fail to boot. > > > I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they work > > or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are > broken. > > Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a dependancy, > likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts > up without error. > > > I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have no > > idea if they work or not. > > Upgrades are currently broken. 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URL: From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 21:57:09 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:57:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0603141219n43a77c09j911653393cdbc1fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603142008.k2EK822i019809@mx1.redhat.com> <81e6a9bf0603141219n43a77c09j911653393cdbc1fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603141357v2eda9a27i252dcfeb3a366cbc@mail.gmail.com> I've installed 4.4.1 and booted the laptop terminal via PXE that would not boot on FC5. On the FC5 install the message on the screen of the terminal is: trying to boot from: pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A800 pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A80 pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A8 pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0 pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default Then it stops Jack On 3/14/06, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > I've installed this on a old Dell 530 and it seemed to go fine but it > would not boot. Grub never appeared so it probably did not write the boot > sector properly. Not sure if this is hardware or not because this is an old > machine. > > I also installed this on a newer Dell 670. I went with all the defaults. > After the first boot I disabled the firewall and SELinux and rebooted. I > tried to PXE boot a laptop known to work but it never gets the image. The > last message in the log is > > *tftp client does not accept options* > > but I don't think this is a problem from what I've been reading. DHCP > seems to work fine because I get offeres and the pxe device gets an ip. So > far none of my terminals have booted. I'm going to install 4.4.1 and see > if any differences appear. > > Jack > > On 3/14/06, Roy wrote: > > > > Eric, > > > > I figured it out. It was my nvraid. FC5t3 no longer supports nv_sata > > during > > install. With your first set it failed after I selected keyboard. This I > > understood because the next step was druid. It's just kinda of odd it > > failed > > with the newer set as the video was loading. Sorry for the confusion. > > > > Roy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > Behalf > > Of Eric Harrison > > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:54 PM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > > > > > > I've been fighting a flu bug, have not got much done recently. I > > finished > > a new build based on today's rawhide, which should be pretty close to > > what > > the final FC5 should look like. This build fixes some bugs, and for good > > > > measure adds a few new ones. Hopefully I'll have a largely bug-free > > version > > ready in the near future. Until then... > > > > > > > This is very rough around the edges and has many obvious, glaring > > bugs. > > > But with a little TLC, it has been known to boot a terminal or two. > > > > > > If you are one of those crazy and foolish types that like to wreak > > your > > > computer with known-broken, pre-alpha software, here is where I have > > > placed the voodoo: > > > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . > > > > > > > > > New Notes: > > > > DHCP now works. > > > > The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. > > > > Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a > > feature, > > not a bug. > > > > > > Updated Notes: > > > > > Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next > > build. > > > > Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora > > install, > > you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't > > automate > > this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in > > order > > to turn of "LTSP". > > > > > Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux. I'll fix this in the > > > next build as well. > > > > Didn't get around to fixing this one, it is still broken. Be sure to > > select "Permissive" mode for SELinux or your terminals will fail to > > boot. > > > > > I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they > > work > > > or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are > > broken. > > > > Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a dependancy, > > likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts > > up without error. > > > > > I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have > > no > > > idea if they work or not. > > > > Upgrades are currently broken. I know how I broke it, I'll unbreak it > > in the next build ;-) > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 22:16:55 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:16:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Report from CUE.org "Open Source Pavilion" in Palm Springs Message-ID: We've just returned home from the CUE.org (Computer Using Educators) show in Palm Springs, California--where Open Source "took the show by storm..." (an inside joke for those at the show, given the incredible wind storm on Thursday night and the snowstorm Saturday!). But certainly having 75 computers running Open Source software was a significant event, and our "Open Source Pavilion" was considered a great success by all involved, especially the show organizers. As part of a plan both to showcase Open Source software, and to simplify the show's evaluation process, the Open Source Pavilion was used as the exclusive evaluation area during the last part of the show, where attendees filled out an online evaluation and then received a show t-shirt in return. The show organizers had used words like "chaos" and "madness" to describe the frenzied hordes that would descend and do anything for a free t-shirt, but using the Open Source Pavilion turned out to provide a fast, streamlined, and calm experience for all involved. The Open Source Pavilion was also host to eight presentations on Open Source software (see www.cue.org/conference/opensource), three of which (two on moodle, one on blogging and podcasting) attracted crowds so large that even bringing in more chairs could not accommodate all who wanted to attend. In a significant move, our Open Source sessions were listed in the general conference brochure along with all the other sessions, and our visibility was quite high, as we were mentioned by several of the regular speakers in their talks. We ran 32 laptops with our EZWebPC software (a CD-based Linux operating system that just runs a web browser) in an "email garden" formation with access to a printer. The laptops, used IBM's with no hard drives and generously provided by Computers & Education (http://www.crc.org/info/index.html), were frequently in heavy use and appreciated by many. We then ran 43 old desktop Dell Optiplexes in a lab/lecture setting, each converted to thin-client use and booting from our "NetBooter" device. These thin clients then connected with either of two Linux servers, one running Fedora Core, and the other running Ubuntu. It was quite something to have 75 stable, reliable computers set up and running in such quick fashion. At our hosting tables in the Pavilion we had available free copies of the OpenCD and Ubuntu, and lots of reading material. Many participants had lots of questions, and some few said that they only came to the show to see our Pavilion. We've been asked to provide a similar (although not quite so expansive) area at the NECC 2006 show in San Diego in July, where our speakers will also be included in the general program bulletin. As well, CUE.org wanted to make sure we could come back next year. (Which will be a lot easier, now that we have all the ethernet cabling built!) All in all, a good showing! Also: I was part of an interview on Open Source software in schools during the show, a webcast of which can be found at http://www.kidzonline.org/webcast/webcast.html?id=191 -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer Reuse) www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software in Schools) From jwhite at winehq.org Tue Mar 14 23:02:06 2006 From: jwhite at winehq.org (Jeremy White) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:02:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Partner in crime on an LTSP/Wine pitch? Message-ID: <44174B6E.3060706@winehq.org> Hi Folks, I was talking to a helpful person at OETC, and he suggested that I prepare a blurb/survey about the use of Linux in education, and work to get it published in some larger scale national mailings, such as those put out by ISTE. The back story is that I'm trying to drum up enough gathered interest on the part of a school/district/region in making a move to Linux that they would be willing to help sponsor some limited work on Wine to fix up the applications they need. This is a bit of a personal mission for me; I believe that Linux, and particularly LTSP, are a wicked cool solution for schools, and I would like to see more schools using it. Where Wine can be instrumental in making that happen, I'd like to help. The challenge is that, while Wine is an amazing technology, if often doesn't work. And if there was 1 killer app, then we could just focus on making it run. But as Dan discovered, there is no killer app in education; it's all over the map. But, undaunted, I press on, looking for some vicious or even mildly dangerous apps . So the plan is something like this: The blurb would be briefly educational about all the goodness in LTSP and Wine, and encourage folks to fill out the survey. The survey would try to triage some sense of how much interest there is in Linux, what the awareness level is for LTSP, what are the obstacles to educators, and what Windows apps they crave. Hopefully it'll also give them pointers to places for more help (e.g. this list). My thinking is that this blurb would be authored from a community perspective; ideally from someone @k12ltsp.org and from jwhite at winehq.org. I was hoping I could find a partner in crime who would be willing to work with me on this pitch, and help assemble the LTSP portion. Any takers? Feel free to email me off list. Cheers, Jeremy From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 23:09:12 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:09:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm: nautilus won't start after update Message-ID: <9bd317560603141509u5e751e89ib79bfaebb9ca1f1a@mail.gmail.com> This may have been covered but after a long overdue yum update our IceWM settings have changed. Nautilus won't start at login so there's no desktop(!) I went to see if nautilus -n & was still in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM but it seems that that file looks very different than is used to. Now it's just : #!/bin/sh exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession icewm I tried adding "exec /usr/bin/nautilus -n &" but no go. Little help? Thanks, Peter From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Mar 15 00:35:43 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:35:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSticket a good trouble ticket prog Message-ID: <1142382943.18425.11.camel@server1.cisna> Hi Bert, Here is the URL for OSticket: www osticket com It has been sitting stagnant for about 5 months,now and i see they are about to push out version 2.0 If you like I'll up the version we use to our ftp server and you can down it from there. Matter of fact i think this originates from your neck of the woods. Their logo shows a kangaroo! If you have Apache/php/MySQL, and sendmail or Postfix, and qmail works as well (although ive never setup that one), working you are there. Email me off list and ill give you the ftp url.. Thanks to every as well for giving there setups for trouble ticket systems. Its always nice to know who is building the best mousetrap! Take Care, Barry From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 02:34:52 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:34:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "press enter to login" Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603141834l1fa54fd1u84b0193433a8e9f0@mail.gmail.com> I'm demoing LTSP to managment here tommorow. Some of the terminals will go directly to a W2k3 Terminal server via the setting in "lts.conf" That works fine but just before X fires up the terminal prompts the user to "press enter to login". Can I get around this and just have the terminal go directly in? I'm not complaining but it would just be alot smoother to have it bypass that requirement. Anybody have any hints for me on that one? I'll be demoing on 4.4.1 Thanks, Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 15 02:38:19 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:38:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0603141357v2eda9a27i252dcfeb3a366cbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603142008.k2EK822i019809@mx1.redhat.com> <81e6a9bf0603141219n43a77c09j911653393cdbc1fd@mail.gmail.com> <81e6a9bf0603141357v2eda9a27i252dcfeb3a366cbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > I've installed 4.4.1 and booted the laptop terminal via PXE that would not > boot on FC5. > > On the FC5 install the message on the screen of the terminal is: > > trying to boot from: > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A800 > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A80 > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A8 > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0 > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default > > Then it stops > > Jack Now that is wacky, I can't figure out a way to replicate that exact output. Can you run this command: rpm -V ltsp_i386-kernel and post any output? Other things to try: Have you tried more than one terminal? Preferably a different make/model of terminal, just in case it is a problem with one specific make/model. Is it possible to copy "/tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0" from the K12LTSP 4.4.2 install to /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0 on the FC5 test install? -Eric > On 3/14/06, Jack Palmadesso wrote: >> >> I've installed this on a old Dell 530 and it seemed to go fine but it >> would not boot. Grub never appeared so it probably did not write the boot >> sector properly. Not sure if this is hardware or not because this is an old >> machine. >> >> I also installed this on a newer Dell 670. I went with all the defaults. >> After the first boot I disabled the firewall and SELinux and rebooted. I >> tried to PXE boot a laptop known to work but it never gets the image. The >> last message in the log is >> >> *tftp client does not accept options* >> >> but I don't think this is a problem from what I've been reading. DHCP >> seems to work fine because I get offeres and the pxe device gets an ip. So >> far none of my terminals have booted. I'm going to install 4.4.1 and see >> if any differences appear. >> >> Jack >> >> On 3/14/06, Roy wrote: >>> >>> Eric, >>> >>> I figured it out. It was my nvraid. FC5t3 no longer supports nv_sata >>> during >>> install. With your first set it failed after I selected keyboard. This I >>> understood because the next step was druid. It's just kinda of odd it >>> failed >>> with the newer set as the video was loading. Sorry for the confusion. >>> >>> Roy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Eric Harrison >>> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:54 PM >>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP >>> >>> >>> I've been fighting a flu bug, have not got much done recently. I >>> finished >>> a new build based on today's rawhide, which should be pretty close to >>> what >>> the final FC5 should look like. This build fixes some bugs, and for good >>> >>> measure adds a few new ones. Hopefully I'll have a largely bug-free >>> version >>> ready in the near future. Until then... >>> >>> >>>> This is very rough around the edges and has many obvious, glaring >>> bugs. >>>> But with a little TLC, it has been known to boot a terminal or two. >>>> >>>> If you are one of those crazy and foolish types that like to wreak >>> your >>>> computer with known-broken, pre-alpha software, here is where I have >>>> placed the voodoo: >>>> >>>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ >>>> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . >>>> >>> >>> >>> New Notes: >>> >>> DHCP now works. >>> >>> The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. >>> >>> Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a >>> feature, >>> not a bug. >>> >>> >>> Updated Notes: >>> >>>> Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next >>> build. >>> >>> Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora >>> install, >>> you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't >>> automate >>> this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in >>> order >>> to turn of "LTSP". >>> >>>> Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux. I'll fix this in the >>>> next build as well. >>> >>> Didn't get around to fixing this one, it is still broken. Be sure to >>> select "Permissive" mode for SELinux or your terminals will fail to >>> boot. >>> >>>> I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they >>> work >>>> or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are >>> broken. >>> >>> Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a dependancy, >>> likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts >>> up without error. >>> >>>> I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have >>> no >>>> idea if they work or not. >>> >>> Upgrades are currently broken. I know how I broke it, I'll unbreak it >>> in the next build ;-) >>> >>> -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 15 02:52:32 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:52:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] tftp problem on client after IP change on server In-Reply-To: <20060314105142.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.89a37d8f43.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060314105142.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.89a37d8f43.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > When I change the IP address of my LTSP server, single NIC, and boot a > client, the client hangs at TFTP.... > > I have checked the following files to make sure that the IP address is > updated: > > /etc/exports > /etc/hosts.allow > /etc/rc.d/init.d/nat > /etc/hosts > /etc/dhcpd.conf > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/hosts-update.sh > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/setup-update.sh > > Is there any where else that I need to check???? A few ideas off the top of my head: * Since you have a single NIC, perhaps firewall rules are biting you? Check /etc/sysconfig/iptables * is TFTP turned on? # chkconfig --list tftp if it says it is off, run: # chkconfig tftp on # service xinetd reload * Are the TFTP and DHCP servers now seperate? The clients will try to TFTP their boot image from the DCHP server unless a "next-server" is specified in dhcpd.conf -Eric From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 02:58:04 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:58:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <200603142008.k2EK822i019809@mx1.redhat.com> <81e6a9bf0603141219n43a77c09j911653393cdbc1fd@mail.gmail.com> <81e6a9bf0603141357v2eda9a27i252dcfeb3a366cbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603141858o7c869f5we0f5140fa2c6ba24@mail.gmail.com> I thought it was pretty strange too. How ever I am using that very same laptop that would not boot in our lab wFC5 on my 4.4.1 install at home. I have some other machines I want to try out. I'll send the in what you asked for tommorow. Heres one last thing I just thought of. I installed the server on a Dell 670 64 bit workstation. The processors are dual EMT 64 back from last April or so. Maybe the arch is throwing something off because I installed the 32 bit version of FC5 Jack On 3/14/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > > I've installed 4.4.1 and booted the laptop terminal via PXE that would > not > > boot on FC5. > > > > On the FC5 install the message on the screen of the terminal is: > > > > trying to boot from: > > > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A800 > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A80 > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A8 > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0 > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default > > > > Then it stops > > > > Jack > > Now that is wacky, I can't figure out a way to replicate that exact > output. > > Can you run this command: > > rpm -V ltsp_i386-kernel > > and post any output? > > > Other things to try: > > Have you tried more than one terminal? Preferably a different make/model > of terminal, just in case it is a problem with one specific make/model. > > Is it possible to copy "/tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0" from the K12LTSP > 4.4.2 > install to /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0 on the FC5 test install? > > -Eric > > > On 3/14/06, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > >> > >> I've installed this on a old Dell 530 and it seemed to go fine but it > >> would not boot. Grub never appeared so it probably did not write the > boot > >> sector properly. Not sure if this is hardware or not because this is > an old > >> machine. > >> > >> I also installed this on a newer Dell 670. I went with all the > defaults. > >> After the first boot I disabled the firewall and SELinux and > rebooted. I > >> tried to PXE boot a laptop known to work but it never gets the > image. The > >> last message in the log is > >> > >> *tftp client does not accept options*< > http://www.google.com/search?q=tftp+client+does+not+accept+options&hl=en> > >> > >> but I don't think this is a problem from what I've been reading. DHCP > >> seems to work fine because I get offeres and the pxe device gets an > ip. So > >> far none of my terminals have booted. I'm going to install 4.4.1 and > see > >> if any differences appear. > >> > >> Jack > >> > >> On 3/14/06, Roy wrote: > >>> > >>> Eric, > >>> > >>> I figured it out. It was my nvraid. FC5t3 no longer supports nv_sata > >>> during > >>> install. With your first set it failed after I selected keyboard. This > I > >>> understood because the next step was druid. It's just kinda of odd it > >>> failed > >>> with the newer set as the video was loading. Sorry for the confusion. > >>> > >>> Roy > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > >>> Behalf > >>> Of Eric Harrison > >>> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:54 PM > >>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > >>> > >>> > >>> I've been fighting a flu bug, have not got much done recently. I > >>> finished > >>> a new build based on today's rawhide, which should be pretty close to > >>> what > >>> the final FC5 should look like. This build fixes some bugs, and for > good > >>> > >>> measure adds a few new ones. Hopefully I'll have a largely bug-free > >>> version > >>> ready in the near future. Until then... > >>> > >>> > >>>> This is very rough around the edges and has many obvious, glaring > >>> bugs. > >>>> But with a little TLC, it has been known to boot a terminal or two. > >>>> > >>>> If you are one of those crazy and foolish types that like to wreak > >>> your > >>>> computer with known-broken, pre-alpha software, here is where I have > >>>> placed the voodoo: > >>>> > >>>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ > >>>> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> New Notes: > >>> > >>> DHCP now works. > >>> > >>> The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. > >>> > >>> Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a > >>> feature, > >>> not a bug. > >>> > >>> > >>> Updated Notes: > >>> > >>>> Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next > >>> build. > >>> > >>> Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora > >>> install, > >>> you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't > >>> automate > >>> this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in > >>> order > >>> to turn of "LTSP". > >>> > >>>> Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux. I'll fix this in the > >>>> next build as well. > >>> > >>> Didn't get around to fixing this one, it is still broken. Be sure to > >>> select "Permissive" mode for SELinux or your terminals will fail to > >>> boot. > >>> > >>>> I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they > >>> work > >>>> or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are > >>> broken. > >>> > >>> Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a > dependancy, > >>> likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts > >>> up without error. > >>> > >>>> I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have > >>> no > >>>> idea if they work or not. > >>> > >>> Upgrades are currently broken. I know how I broke it, I'll unbreak it > >>> in the next build ;-) > >>> > >>> -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Mar 15 03:22:42 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:22:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tftp problem on client after IP change on server Message-ID: <20060314202242.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.7e5d951773.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Thanks Eric. I will check. No, the server performs both functions, TFTP and DHCP. Funny thing is I reloaded 4.4.1 on the box. The default IP address that is in the DHCP conf is 192.168.0.254 even though I configured the box for 192.168.2.5 during setup. I changed the address in DCHP conf to match the NIC and it is doing the same thing. The client gets an IP address and starts trying to TFTP the image without any success. I will check the other things that you mentioned out. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] tftp problem on client after IP change on server > From: Eric Harrison > Date: Tue, March 14, 2006 8:52 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > > When I change the IP address of my LTSP server, single NIC, and boot a > > client, the client hangs at TFTP.... > > > > I have checked the following files to make sure that the IP address is > > updated: > > > > /etc/exports > > /etc/hosts.allow > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/nat > > /etc/hosts > > /etc/dhcpd.conf > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/hosts-update.sh > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/setup-update.sh > > > > Is there any where else that I need to check???? > > A few ideas off the top of my head: > > * Since you have a single NIC, perhaps firewall rules are biting you? > Check /etc/sysconfig/iptables > > * is TFTP turned on? > > # chkconfig --list tftp > > if it says it is off, run: > > # chkconfig tftp on > # service xinetd reload > > * Are the TFTP and DHCP servers now seperate? The clients will try to TFTP > their boot image from the DCHP server unless a "next-server" is specified > in dhcpd.conf > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Mar 15 03:28:49 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:28:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tftp problem on client after IP change on server Message-ID: <20060314202849.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.991dd055d9.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Well, TFTP isn't running. Hmmm, could be the problem. Why doesn't TFTP get setup to start automatically??? If TFTP isn't in my list of services, how do I configure the box to start it automatically?? Sorry for the trivial questions. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] tftp problem on client after IP change on server > From: Eric Harrison > Date: Tue, March 14, 2006 8:52 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > > When I change the IP address of my LTSP server, single NIC, and boot a > > client, the client hangs at TFTP.... > > > > I have checked the following files to make sure that the IP address is > > updated: > > > > /etc/exports > > /etc/hosts.allow > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/nat > > /etc/hosts > > /etc/dhcpd.conf > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/hosts-update.sh > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/setup-update.sh > > > > Is there any where else that I need to check???? > > A few ideas off the top of my head: > > * Since you have a single NIC, perhaps firewall rules are biting you? > Check /etc/sysconfig/iptables > > * is TFTP turned on? > > # chkconfig --list tftp > > if it says it is off, run: > > # chkconfig tftp on > # service xinetd reload > > * Are the TFTP and DHCP servers now seperate? The clients will try to TFTP > their boot image from the DCHP server unless a "next-server" is specified > in dhcpd.conf > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 03:44:44 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:44:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: icewm: nautilus won't start after update In-Reply-To: <9bd317560603141919i4c6c45a2v1408df419f98d619@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560603141509u5e751e89ib79bfaebb9ca1f1a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560603141919i4c6c45a2v1408df419f98d619@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560603141944i6e7d8aaeq6249abfe824b02eb@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, i got it. I see that nautilus -n & goes before exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession icewm. Peter On 3/14/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Eric, > I guess icewm has changed a bit. Can you give me a hand with this? > Hope you're feeling better! > > > Thanks, > Peter > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Peter Hartmann > Date: Mar 14, 2006 6:09 PM > Subject: icewm: nautilus won't start after update > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > This may have been covered but after a long overdue yum update our > IceWM settings have changed. Nautilus won't start at login so there's > no desktop(!) I went to see if nautilus -n & was still in > /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM but it seems that that file looks very > different than is used to. Now it's just : > > #!/bin/sh > exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession icewm > > > I tried adding "exec /usr/bin/nautilus -n &" but no go. > > > Little help? > > Thanks, > Peter > From nathan at grandvache.com Wed Mar 15 04:38:46 2006 From: nathan at grandvache.com (Nathan Shaffer) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:38:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Partner in crime on an LTSP /Wine pitch Message-ID: While I don't have the time to be a "partner in crime", I just wanted to mention that we utilize wine in our LTSP servers to run the Accelerated Reader program. (see http://www.renlearn.com/) It allows the students to take AR tests anywhere LTSP is installed and works great except for the 10 second screen blackout when it sends the test results to the printers. (don't quite know why it does that....) The license that the school has is for a Win/Mac site license. Also helped keep the individual workstation installs to a minimum. Good luck. Nathan Shaffer St John the Apostle School Oregon City, OR nshaffer at sja.pvt.k12.or.us From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Mar 15 05:16:21 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:16:21 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSticket a good trouble ticket prog (Barry R Cisna) In-Reply-To: <20060315025817.4DF2E736C2@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060315025817.4DF2E736C2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1142399782.5002.59.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Barry, Thanks for that. I'm at the info gathering stage right now. By the time I need it v2.0 may be out. I'll contact you if the new version is delayed, and I'm at the point of installing. Thanks, Bert > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:35:43 -0600 > From: Barry R Cisna > Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSticket a good trouble ticket prog > To: K12LTSP-listserve > Message-ID: <1142382943.18425.11.camel at server1.cisna> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi Bert, > Here is the URL for OSticket: > > www osticket com > > It has been sitting stagnant for about 5 months,now and i see they are > about to push out version 2.0 > If you like I'll up the version we use to our ftp server and you can > down it from there. > Matter of fact i think this originates from your neck of the woods. > Their logo shows a kangaroo! > If you have Apache/php/MySQL, and sendmail or Postfix, and qmail works > as well (although ive never setup that one), working you are there. > Email me off list and ill give you the ftp url.. > Thanks to every as well for giving there setups for trouble ticket > systems. Its always nice to know who is building the best mousetrap! > > Take Care, > > Barry > > From roy at mpk.com Wed Mar 15 05:38:45 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:38:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603150613.k2F6DvsJ027980@mx3.redhat.com> I get almost the same thing except mine ends with: "Could not find kernel image: linux" "Boot:" I also turned off the firewall and selinux. I will be up late if you would like me to try something. By the way I tried "rpm -V ltsp_i386-kernel" with no results. roy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:38 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > I've installed 4.4.1 and booted the laptop terminal via PXE that would not > boot on FC5. > > On the FC5 install the message on the screen of the terminal is: > > trying to boot from: > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A800 > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A80 > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A8 > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0 > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default > > Then it stops > > Jack Now that is wacky, I can't figure out a way to replicate that exact output. Can you run this command: rpm -V ltsp_i386-kernel and post any output? Other things to try: Have you tried more than one terminal? Preferably a different make/model of terminal, just in case it is a problem with one specific make/model. Is it possible to copy "/tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0" from the K12LTSP 4.4.2 install to /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0 on the FC5 test install? -Eric > On 3/14/06, Jack Palmadesso wrote: >> >> I've installed this on a old Dell 530 and it seemed to go fine but it >> would not boot. Grub never appeared so it probably did not write the boot >> sector properly. Not sure if this is hardware or not because this is an old >> machine. >> >> I also installed this on a newer Dell 670. I went with all the defaults. >> After the first boot I disabled the firewall and SELinux and rebooted. I >> tried to PXE boot a laptop known to work but it never gets the image. The >> last message in the log is >> >> *tftp client does not accept options* >> >> but I don't think this is a problem from what I've been reading. DHCP >> seems to work fine because I get offeres and the pxe device gets an ip. So >> far none of my terminals have booted. I'm going to install 4.4.1 and see >> if any differences appear. >> >> Jack >> >> On 3/14/06, Roy wrote: >>> >>> Eric, >>> >>> I figured it out. It was my nvraid. FC5t3 no longer supports nv_sata >>> during >>> install. With your first set it failed after I selected keyboard. This I >>> understood because the next step was druid. It's just kinda of odd it >>> failed >>> with the newer set as the video was loading. Sorry for the confusion. >>> >>> Roy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Eric Harrison >>> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:54 PM >>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP >>> >>> >>> I've been fighting a flu bug, have not got much done recently. I >>> finished >>> a new build based on today's rawhide, which should be pretty close to >>> what >>> the final FC5 should look like. This build fixes some bugs, and for good >>> >>> measure adds a few new ones. Hopefully I'll have a largely bug-free >>> version >>> ready in the near future. Until then... >>> >>> >>>> This is very rough around the edges and has many obvious, glaring >>> bugs. >>>> But with a little TLC, it has been known to boot a terminal or two. >>>> >>>> If you are one of those crazy and foolish types that like to wreak >>> your >>>> computer with known-broken, pre-alpha software, here is where I have >>>> placed the voodoo: >>>> >>>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ >>>> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . >>>> >>> >>> >>> New Notes: >>> >>> DHCP now works. >>> >>> The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. >>> >>> Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a >>> feature, >>> not a bug. >>> >>> >>> Updated Notes: >>> >>>> Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next >>> build. >>> >>> Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora >>> install, >>> you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't >>> automate >>> this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in >>> order >>> to turn of "LTSP". >>> >>>> Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux. I'll fix this in the >>>> next build as well. >>> >>> Didn't get around to fixing this one, it is still broken. Be sure to >>> select "Permissive" mode for SELinux or your terminals will fail to >>> boot. >>> >>>> I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they >>> work >>>> or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are >>> broken. >>> >>> Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a dependancy, >>> likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts >>> up without error. >>> >>>> I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have >>> no >>>> idea if they work or not. >>> >>> Upgrades are currently broken. I know how I broke it, I'll unbreak it >>> in the next build ;-) >>> >>> -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 07:08:32 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:08:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 Released In-Reply-To: <9bd317560603131429s4bfce633h8a9a530bc79afbbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560603071404i26e9ef7aoa828966aafe67734@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560603081327g77157b8ave3dd8b3b1be480bb@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560603131429s4bfce633h8a9a530bc79afbbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/13/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Robert, > Success!!! I got rid of vnc-server.x86_64 and installed > vnc-server.i386. I was wondering, are we meant to manually enter the Awesome. That's great. > vnc password every time we monitor or control? Mine asks and i'm > wondering if this is the intended behavior. Yes it is. For the time being. > > > You rock!! Thanks. : ) -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 12:50:23 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:50:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200603150613.k2F6DvsJ027980@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603150613.k2F6DvsJ027980@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603150450r5eaf9e2fhfbb464f6e9885711@mail.gmail.com> Ok, I just tried another terminal that I know works on 4.4.1 but does not work on FC5. I also booted an Ubuntu workstation from behind the FC5 server. I was able to get a DHCP address but I was unable to reach the public network from behind the server. NAT was up and running. Nothing in the logs except for the DHCP offers/acks The network config on the server was: public interface: configured via DHCP LTSP interface: installation defaults (192.168.0.254 static) I'll be tackling this later. I need to get something up and running today so I'm installing 4.4.2 Jack On 3/15/06, Roy wrote: > > I get almost the same thing except mine ends with: > "Could not find kernel image: linux" > "Boot:" > I also turned off the firewall and selinux. I will be up late if you would > like me to try something. By the way I tried "rpm -V ltsp_i386-kernel" > with > no results. > > roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:38 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > > I've installed 4.4.1 and booted the laptop terminal via PXE that would > not > > boot on FC5. > > > > On the FC5 install the message on the screen of the terminal is: > > > > trying to boot from: > > > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A800 > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A80 > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A8 > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0 > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default > > > > Then it stops > > > > Jack > > Now that is wacky, I can't figure out a way to replicate that exact > output. > > Can you run this command: > > rpm -V ltsp_i386-kernel > > and post any output? > > > Other things to try: > > Have you tried more than one terminal? Preferably a different make/model > of terminal, just in case it is a problem with one specific make/model. > > Is it possible to copy "/tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0" from the K12LTSP > 4.4.2 > install to /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0 on the FC5 test install? > > -Eric > > > On 3/14/06, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > >> > >> I've installed this on a old Dell 530 and it seemed to go fine but it > >> would not boot. Grub never appeared so it probably did not write the > boot > >> sector properly. Not sure if this is hardware or not because this is > an > old > >> machine. > >> > >> I also installed this on a newer Dell 670. I went with all the > defaults. > >> After the first boot I disabled the firewall and SELinux and > rebooted. I > >> tried to PXE boot a laptop known to work but it never gets the image. > The > >> last message in the log is > >> > >> *tftp client does not accept > options*< > http://www.google.com/search?q=tftp+client+does+not+accept+options& > hl=en> > >> > >> but I don't think this is a problem from what I've been reading. DHCP > >> seems to work fine because I get offeres and the pxe device gets an ip. > So > >> far none of my terminals have booted. I'm going to install 4.4.1 and > see > >> if any differences appear. > >> > >> Jack > >> > >> On 3/14/06, Roy wrote: > >>> > >>> Eric, > >>> > >>> I figured it out. It was my nvraid. FC5t3 no longer supports nv_sata > >>> during > >>> install. With your first set it failed after I selected keyboard. This > I > >>> understood because the next step was druid. It's just kinda of odd it > >>> failed > >>> with the newer set as the video was loading. Sorry for the confusion. > >>> > >>> Roy > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > >>> Behalf > >>> Of Eric Harrison > >>> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:54 PM > >>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > >>> > >>> > >>> I've been fighting a flu bug, have not got much done recently. I > >>> finished > >>> a new build based on today's rawhide, which should be pretty close to > >>> what > >>> the final FC5 should look like. This build fixes some bugs, and for > good > >>> > >>> measure adds a few new ones. Hopefully I'll have a largely bug-free > >>> version > >>> ready in the near future. Until then... > >>> > >>> > >>>> This is very rough around the edges and has many obvious, glaring > >>> bugs. > >>>> But with a little TLC, it has been known to boot a terminal or two. > >>>> > >>>> If you are one of those crazy and foolish types that like to wreak > >>> your > >>>> computer with known-broken, pre-alpha software, here is where I have > >>>> placed the voodoo: > >>>> > >>>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ > >>>> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> New Notes: > >>> > >>> DHCP now works. > >>> > >>> The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. > >>> > >>> Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a > >>> feature, > >>> not a bug. > >>> > >>> > >>> Updated Notes: > >>> > >>>> Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next > >>> build. > >>> > >>> Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora > >>> install, > >>> you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't > >>> automate > >>> this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in > >>> order > >>> to turn of "LTSP". > >>> > >>>> Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux. I'll fix this in the > >>>> next build as well. > >>> > >>> Didn't get around to fixing this one, it is still broken. Be sure to > >>> select "Permissive" mode for SELinux or your terminals will fail to > >>> boot. > >>> > >>>> I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they > >>> work > >>>> or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are > >>> broken. > >>> > >>> Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a > dependancy, > >>> likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts > >>> up without error. > >>> > >>>> I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have > >>> no > >>>> idea if they work or not. > >>> > >>> Upgrades are currently broken. I know how I broke it, I'll unbreak it > >>> in the next build ;-) > >>> > >>> -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Wed Mar 15 16:23:55 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:23:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Fedora Core 3, do I need to change update repo in yum? Message-ID: <44183F9B.9050703@maltzen.net> I have a k12ltsp version 4.2.1 system, which is based on Fedora Core 3. Does RH still handle the updates for that release? Or is it considered to be part of Fedora Legacy now? More to the point, do I need to change my /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo file to point somewhere else? When I run yum, it says everything is up to date; but it occurs to me that if the Fedora project is no longer handling updates for this 'older' release, then I might be missing updates because I'm no longer looking in the right place for them. Petre From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 15 16:32:18 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:32:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Fedora Core 3, do I need to change update repo in yum? In-Reply-To: <44183F9B.9050703@maltzen.net> References: <44183F9B.9050703@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44184192.4060203@mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > I have a k12ltsp version 4.2.1 system, which is based on Fedora Core 3. > Does RH still handle the updates for that release? Or is it considered > to be part of Fedora Legacy now? More to the point, do I need to change > my /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo file to point somewhere else? > When I run yum, it says everything is up to date; but it occurs to me > that if the Fedora project is no longer handling updates for this > 'older' release, then I might be missing updates because I'm no longer > looking in the right place for them. FC3 moved to Legacy support when FC5-test2 was released. That's the pattern; FC(n) goes to legacy when FC(n+2)-test2 is released. I don't think the repository is included by default; you'll need top enable it yourself. Updates to several packages have been released, including httpd, openssh, and firefox. The Fedora Legacy project has a package that will add their repo to yum. It's all in their docs: http://www.fedoralegacy.org/docs/yum-fc3.php As I understand it, FC5 will be the first Fedora release to include the Legacy repository by default. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From fdc31 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 16:35:19 2006 From: fdc31 at yahoo.com (dean c) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:35:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] UNSUBSCRIBE fdc31@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <44184192.4060203@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060315163519.97579.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> unsubscribe fdc31 at yahoo.com --- Dan Young wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > > I have a k12ltsp version 4.2.1 system, which is > based on Fedora Core 3. > > Does RH still handle the updates for that release? > Or is it considered > > to be part of Fedora Legacy now? More to the > point, do I need to change > > my /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo file to > point somewhere else? > > When I run yum, it says everything is up to date; > but it occurs to me > > that if the Fedora project is no longer handling > updates for this > > 'older' release, then I might be missing updates > because I'm no longer > > looking in the right place for them. > > FC3 moved to Legacy support when FC5-test2 was > released. That's the > pattern; FC(n) goes to legacy when FC(n+2)-test2 is > released. > > I don't think the repository is included by default; > you'll need top > enable it yourself. Updates to several packages have > been released, > including httpd, openssh, and firefox. > > The Fedora Legacy project has a package that will > add their repo to yum. > It's all in their docs: > http://www.fedoralegacy.org/docs/yum-fc3.php > > As I understand it, FC5 will be the first Fedora > release to include the > Legacy repository by default. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 18:15:08 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:15:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] WINE with LTSP (was Partner in crime on an LTSP /Wine pitch) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060315181508.88022.qmail@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Nathan Shaffer wrote: > While I don't have the time to be a "partner in > crime", I just wanted > to mention that we utilize wine in our LTSP servers > to run the > Accelerated Reader program. (see > http://www.renlearn.com/) It allows > the students to take AR tests anywhere LTSP is > installed and works > great except for the 10 second screen blackout when > it sends the test > results to the printers. (don't quite know why it > does that....) The > license that the school has is for a Win/Mac site > license. Also > helped keep the individual workstation installs to a > minimum. > > Good luck. > > Nathan Shaffer > St John the Apostle School > Oregon City, OR > nshaffer at sja.pvt.k12.or.us Nathan, How do you have WINE configured on your LTSP server? Do you have a single WINE setup that's shared among all logged-in users, so you'd only need to install a Windows software package once? If so, how did you do that? David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 18:06:53 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:06:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] UNSUBSCRIBE fdc31@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <20060315163519.97579.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <44184192.4060203@mesd.k12.or.us> <20060315163519.97579.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560603151006x5c68375dpc02d8fcb90faabde@mail.gmail.com> Dude, that's not how you do it. Go here: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn On 3/15/06, dean c wrote: > > unsubscribe fdc31 at yahoo.com > --- Dan Young wrote: > > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > > I have a k12ltsp version 4.2.1 system, which is > > based on Fedora Core 3. > > > Does RH still handle the updates for that release? > > Or is it considered > > > to be part of Fedora Legacy now? More to the > > point, do I need to change > > > my /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo file to > > point somewhere else? > > > When I run yum, it says everything is up to date; > > but it occurs to me > > > that if the Fedora project is no longer handling > > updates for this > > > 'older' release, then I might be missing updates > > because I'm no longer > > > looking in the right place for them. > > > > FC3 moved to Legacy support when FC5-test2 was > > released. That's the > > pattern; FC(n) goes to legacy when FC(n+2)-test2 is > > released. > > > > I don't think the repository is included by default; > > you'll need top > > enable it yourself. Updates to several packages have > > been released, > > including httpd, openssh, and firefox. > > > > The Fedora Legacy project has a package that will > > add their repo to yum. > > It's all in their docs: > > http://www.fedoralegacy.org/docs/yum-fc3.php > > > > As I understand it, FC5 will be the first Fedora > > release to include the > > Legacy repository by default. > > > > -- > > Dan Young > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 19:09:06 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:09:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s Message-ID: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, We have a 6-7 OLD 486 Compaq Prolinea net1/33s computers with 10mbit integrated nics that I would like to turn in to thin clients. The bios doesn't support pxe AFAIK so I am looking for a rom image on rom-o-matic http://rom-o-matic.net/latest-development-release/?nic= that wil work with the nic with part # "HP/COMPAQ - 160778-001" link: http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-Compaq_160778_001 I have googled and found nada. ANY ideas at this point would be appreciated. Thanks! John From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Mar 15 19:44:17 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:44:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1631CF01-CA37-4B3D-A148-0495520AC07D@mindfirestudios.com> Yes, get 10/100 pci NICS. On Mar 15, 2006, at 1:09 PM, john wrote: > Hi all, > > We have a 6-7 OLD 486 Compaq Prolinea net1/33s computers with 10mbit > integrated nics that I would like to turn in to thin clients. The bios > doesn't support pxe AFAIK so I am looking for a rom image on > rom-o-matic http://rom-o-matic.net/latest-development-release/?nic= > > that wil work with the nic with part # "HP/COMPAQ - 160778-001" > link: http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-Compaq_160778_001 > > I have googled and found nada. ANY ideas at this point would be > appreciated. > > Thanks! > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Mar 15 20:51:01 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:51:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> John: if the card/motherboard has a bootrom socket boot the sucker into knoppix-live ubuntu live..dsl live and get a pci id. if it has a pci slot free you "may" be able to put a bootroomed card in and boot from it..some will boot some wont...chuck From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Mar 15 20:53:19 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:53:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EL4.2.3x_64 install with sata Message-ID: <1142455999.3295.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello List, Just trying my first install of EL4.2.3 ( CentOS4) and i cant get the OS to see my sata hard drives? This is on an Gigabyte board with integrated sata/RAID. This is of course the 64 bit version. Ive googled out and havent really found anyone having probs with sata hard drives and CentOS. I can put in my FC3 or FC4 disks and they detect the sata drives no probs. I guess i'm green at CentOS,and 64 bit installs. Ive tried both network & CD installs and neither sees the drives. Anyone have any ideas on this setup? Thanks, Barry Cisna From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 20:53:26 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:53:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0603150450r5eaf9e2fhfbb464f6e9885711@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603150613.k2F6DvsJ027980@mx3.redhat.com> <81e6a9bf0603150450r5eaf9e2fhfbb464f6e9885711@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603151253j718b41fbq3f90f48b25541e96@mail.gmail.com> I've installed FC5 on a new i386 arch machine (Dell 450 Xeon) and I'm getting the same results with PXE. rpm -V ltsp_i386-kernel results in: SM5....T /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0 Terminals are not booting at all on FC5 with PXE or BootRoms on floppy. Bootroms never make it past searching for server (DHCP) so I don't think the problem is with PXE These same terminals boot in 4.4.1 and 4.4.2. I'll keep working on it. Jack On 3/15/06, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > Ok, I just tried another terminal that I know works on 4.4.1 but does not > work on FC5. I also booted an Ubuntu workstation from behind the FC5 > server. I was able to get a DHCP address but I was unable to reach the > public network from behind the server. NAT was up and running. Nothing in > the logs except for the DHCP offers/acks The network config on the server > was: > > public interface: configured via DHCP > LTSP interface: installation defaults (192.168.0.254 static) > > I'll be tackling this later. I need to get something up and running today > so I'm installing 4.4.2 > > Jack > > > On 3/15/06, Roy wrote: > > > > I get almost the same thing except mine ends with: > > "Could not find kernel image: linux" > > "Boot:" > > I also turned off the firewall and selinux. I will be up late if you > > would > > like me to try something. By the way I tried "rpm -V ltsp_i386-kernel" > > with > > no results. > > > > roy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com ] On > > Behalf > > Of Eric Harrison > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:38 PM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > > > > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > > > > I've installed 4.4.1 and booted the laptop terminal via PXE that would > > not > > > boot on FC5. > > > > > > On the FC5 install the message on the screen of the terminal is: > > > > > > trying to boot from: > > > > > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A800 > > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A80 > > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A8 > > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0A > > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C0 > > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/C > > > pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default > > > > > > Then it stops > > > > > > Jack > > > > Now that is wacky, I can't figure out a way to replicate that exact > > output. > > > > Can you run this command: > > > > rpm -V ltsp_i386-kernel > > > > and post any output? > > > > > > Other things to try: > > > > Have you tried more than one terminal? Preferably a different make/model > > of terminal, just in case it is a problem with one specific make/model. > > > > Is it possible to copy "/tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0" from the K12LTSP > > 4.4.2 > > install to /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0 on the FC5 test install? > > > > -Eric > > > > > On 3/14/06, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > >> > > >> I've installed this on a old Dell 530 and it seemed to go fine but it > > >> would not boot. Grub never appeared so it probably did not write the > > boot > > >> sector properly. Not sure if this is hardware or not because this is > > an > > old > > >> machine. > > >> > > >> I also installed this on a newer Dell 670. I went with all the > > defaults. > > >> After the first boot I disabled the firewall and SELinux and > > rebooted. I > > >> tried to PXE boot a laptop known to work but it never gets the image. > > > > The > > >> last message in the log is > > >> > > >> *tftp client does not accept > > options* > > > hl=en> > > >> > > >> but I don't think this is a problem from what I've been reading. > > DHCP > > >> seems to work fine because I get offeres and the pxe device gets an > > ip. > > So > > >> far none of my terminals have booted. I'm going to install 4.4.1 and > > see > > >> if any differences appear. > > >> > > >> Jack > > >> > > >> On 3/14/06, Roy wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Eric, > > >>> > > >>> I figured it out. It was my nvraid. FC5t3 no longer supports nv_sata > > >>> during > > >>> install. With your first set it failed after I selected keyboard. > > This I > > >>> understood because the next step was druid. It's just kinda of odd > > it > > >>> failed > > >>> with the newer set as the video was loading. Sorry for the > > confusion. > > >>> > > >>> Roy > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > > On > > >>> Behalf > > >>> Of Eric Harrison > > >>> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:54 PM > > >>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] First crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> I've been fighting a flu bug, have not got much done recently. I > > >>> finished > > >>> a new build based on today's rawhide, which should be pretty close > > to > > >>> what > > >>> the final FC5 should look like. This build fixes some bugs, and for > > good > > >>> > > >>> measure adds a few new ones. Hopefully I'll have a largely bug-free > > >>> version > > >>> ready in the near future. Until then... > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> This is very rough around the edges and has many obvious, glaring > > >>> bugs. > > >>>> But with a little TLC, it has been known to boot a terminal or two. > > >>>> > > >>>> If you are one of those crazy and foolish types that like to wreak > > >>> your > > >>>> computer with known-broken, pre-alpha software, here is where I > > have > > >>>> placed the voodoo: > > >>>> > > >>>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ > > >>>> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> New Notes: > > >>> > > >>> DHCP now works. > > >>> > > >>> The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. > > >>> > > >>> Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a > > >>> feature, > > >>> not a bug. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Updated Notes: > > >>> > > >>>> Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next > > > > >>> build. > > >>> > > >>> Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora > > >>> install, > > >>> you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't > > >>> automate > > >>> this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in > > >>> order > > >>> to turn of "LTSP". > > >>> > > >>>> Be sure to select "Permissive" mode for SELinux. I'll fix this in > > the > > >>>> next build as well. > > >>> > > >>> Didn't get around to fixing this one, it is still broken. Be sure to > > >>> select "Permissive" mode for SELinux or your terminals will fail to > > >>> boot. > > >>> > > >>>> I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they > > >>> work > > >>>> or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few > > are > > >>> broken. > > >>> > > >>> Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a > > dependancy, > > >>> likely that some feature doesn't work. 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URL: From haynest at mchsi.com Wed Mar 15 21:48:17 2006 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:48:17 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] UNSUBSCRIBE fdc31@yahoo.com Message-ID: <031520062148.12694.44188BA10003287000003196219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF9B9C0A02970E08@mchsi.com> Please go to the link at the bottom of each email from the list if you want to unsubscribe. The link is https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > unsubscribe fdc31 at yahoo.com > --- Dan Young wrote: > > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > > I have a k12ltsp version 4.2.1 system, which is > > based on Fedora Core 3. > > > Does RH still handle the updates for that release? > > Or is it considered > > > to be part of Fedora Legacy now? More to the > > point, do I need to change > > > my /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo file to > > point somewhere else? > > > When I run yum, it says everything is up to date; > > but it occurs to me > > > that if the Fedora project is no longer handling > > updates for this > > > 'older' release, then I might be missing updates > > because I'm no longer > > > looking in the right place for them. > > > > FC3 moved to Legacy support when FC5-test2 was > > released. That's the > > pattern; FC(n) goes to legacy when FC(n+2)-test2 is > > released. > > > > I don't think the repository is included by default; > > you'll need top > > enable it yourself. Updates to several packages have > > been released, > > including httpd, openssh, and firefox. > > > > The Fedora Legacy project has a package that will > > add their repo to yum. > > It's all in their docs: > > http://www.fedoralegacy.org/docs/yum-fc3.php > > > > As I understand it, FC5 will be the first Fedora > > release to include the > > Legacy repository by default. > > > > -- > > Dan Young > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lists.john at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 22:03:43 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:03:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Thanks for your replies. These machines don't have any PCI slots, and I haven't dug up any ISA based 3COMs or the like yet. Chuck I don't understand the bootrom socket advice can you explain that to me a bit. Thanks, John On 3/15/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > John: if the card/motherboard has a bootrom socket boot the sucker into > knoppix-live ubuntu live..dsl live and get a pci id. > if it has a pci slot free you "may" be able to put a bootroomed card in > and boot from it..some will boot some wont...chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Mar 16 00:00:21 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:00:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4418AA95.2050907@rogers.com> john wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for your replies. These machines don't have any PCI slots, and > I haven't dug up any ISA based 3COMs or the like yet. > > Chuck I don't understand the bootrom socket advice can you explain > that to me a bit. Hi The 3c515 is the only ISA based 10/100 card known to work with linux. The good news is that I wrote the Etherboot driver for it and I also implemented ISA_PNP to support the cards on old compaq PCs. Now the bad news. ISA cards are not really capable of 100 Mbs. 10/100 means that it connects to a 100 Mbs network it is not the throughput. For various reasons the ISA bus has an upper limit nowhere near 100 Mbs. However, that being said, the card may allow you to make use of otherwise useless hardware. Search ebay for 3c515 and you will find several available. Tim From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 00:36:07 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:36:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] EL4.2.3x_64 install with sata In-Reply-To: <1142455999.3295.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1142455999.3295.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <9bd317560603151636j77950084qaf80fbd1a5f9c64d@mail.gmail.com> have you tried "linux expert" at the boot prompt? P On 3/15/06, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Just trying my first install of EL4.2.3 ( CentOS4) and i cant get the OS > to see my sata hard drives? This is on an Gigabyte board with integrated > sata/RAID. This is of course the 64 bit version. Ive googled out and > havent really found anyone having probs with sata hard drives and > CentOS. I can put in my FC3 or FC4 disks and they detect the sata drives > no probs. I guess i'm green at CentOS,and 64 bit installs. > Ive tried both network & CD installs and neither sees the drives. > Anyone have any ideas on this setup? > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu Mar 16 01:20:11 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:20:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <4418AA95.2050907@rogers.com> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> <4418AA95.2050907@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4418BD4B.3050809@alltel.net> Depending on waht you wish to do with the thin clients, 10MB may be enough. For Internet research, word processing and many other applications commonly done on computers, 10MB woirks well. Forget video and hi-res graphic games and etc, but for general purpose, let 'er fly! Doug Timothy Legge wrote: > john wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Thanks for your replies. These machines don't have any PCI slots, and >> I haven't dug up any ISA based 3COMs or the like yet. >> >> Chuck I don't understand the bootrom socket advice can you explain >> that to me a bit. > > > Hi > > The 3c515 is the only ISA based 10/100 card known to work with linux. > The good news is that I wrote the Etherboot driver for it and I also > implemented ISA_PNP to support the cards on old compaq PCs. > > Now the bad news. ISA cards are not really capable of 100 Mbs. > 10/100 means that it connects to a 100 Mbs network it is not the > throughput. For various reasons the ISA bus has an upper limit nowhere > near 100 Mbs. > > However, that being said, the card may allow you to make use of > otherwise useless hardware. Search ebay for 3c515 and you will find > several available. > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 00:55:15 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:55:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer working with Fedora but Not Centos Message-ID: <9bd317560603151655q4494c47cwc398eabb4b2dcb59@mail.gmail.com> We have a Lanier printer that works perfectly (using pxlmono) under FC3 but won't work with the server using Centos4.2. The cups version on Centos is even newer than on Fedora. What can I do to troubelshoot this? Thanks so much! Peter From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu Mar 16 01:15:33 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:15:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4418BC35.5040604@alltel.net> john wrote: >Hi all, > >Thanks for your replies. These machines don't have any PCI slots, and >I haven't dug up any ISA based 3COMs or the like yet. > >Chuck I don't understand the bootrom socket advice can you explain >that to me a bit. > >Thanks, > >John > >On 3/15/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > >>John: if the card/motherboard has a bootrom socket boot the sucker into >>knoppix-live ubuntu live..dsl live and get a pci id. >>if it has a pci slot free you "may" be able to put a bootroomed card in >>and boot from it..some will boot some wont...chuck >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Likely, you can look on that old motherboard and find the chipset for the NIC that is on it and get the number and find native drivers for that chipset. This isan integrated NIC right? Once you find the chipset, you can then go to rom-0-matic and get a bootrom for it. Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 05:54:03 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:54:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Soliciting Contributions for "Open Source In Education" Book Message-ID: ISTE, the International Society for Technology in Education (www.iste.org), has asked me to coordinate the writing of a book on Open Source Software in Education, which they will publish. I'm interested in: 1. Ideas, feedback, brainstorming, etc. What topics should be covered in this book? What specific programs? Who is the audience? Are there books already written that we should look at? 2. Contributors. Would you like to contribute? Can you think of someone I should make sure has a chance to contribute? Please post this to any other lists you feel could help in this effort. Thank you. Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer Reuse) www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software in Schools) From gumprechtm at msad3.org Thu Mar 16 11:40:26 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:40:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] EL4.2.3x_64 install with sata In-Reply-To: <1142455999.3295.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1142455999.3295.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <44194EAA.4080605@msad3.org> Hey Barry, I have a dell SC420 64 bit machine that is running EL4.2.2 without any problems. You could try an install of that version. On a side, I did get caught earlier on a 32 bit machine with sata drives because of the bios settings for the sata mode of operation. Mark Barry Cisna wrote: >Hello List, > >Just trying my first install of EL4.2.3 ( CentOS4) and i cant get the OS >to see my sata hard drives? This is on an Gigabyte board with integrated >sata/RAID. This is of course the 64 bit version. Ive googled out and >havent really found anyone having probs with sata hard drives and >CentOS. I can put in my FC3 or FC4 disks and they detect the sata drives >no probs. I guess i'm green at CentOS,and 64 bit installs. >Ive tried both network & CD installs and neither sees the drives. >Anyone have any ideas on this setup? > >Thanks, > >Barry Cisna > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Mar 16 12:31:45 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:31:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EL4.2.3x_64 install with sata Message-ID: <1142512305.9390.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello Peter, Thanks for the suggestion in using "linux expert" install of EL4.2.3. This did let me find out that the "sata_uli" is not even listed as an available driver to load as a sata driver.Seems odd. It appears pretty much all other chip vendors sata drivers are installable,other than the ULI chipset ,which this new board has:( I even tried loading the generic ahci sata driver but no joy. Oh well, now im onto trying K12LTSP 4.4.2_86x64 beta1! We'll see how that gig goes. Thanks Barry Cisna From ddwelley at msad54.org Thu Mar 16 15:30:09 2006 From: ddwelley at msad54.org (Dan Dwelley) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:30:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache webserver question Message-ID: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027317F0@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Hello all, I'm hoping someone will have some thoughts on the following: I'm running Apache 2 with mod_ssl on FC4. My non-ssl side has two Virtual Hosts running on port 80. (no issues here) BUT when I enable ssl on port 443 with a Virtual Host (same as one of the non-ssl virtual Hosts ...only port 443)...the ssl side works but it disables the non-ssl side. In summery...Apache allows me to have either ssl or non-ssl but not both. I know this must be something simple but I cannot see the wrench in the machinery. Thanks in advance! Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 16 15:39:11 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:39:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache webserver question In-Reply-To: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027317F0@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> References: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027317F0@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <1142523551.16365.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 09:30, Dan Dwelley wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm hoping someone will have some thoughts on the following: > > I'm running Apache 2 with mod_ssl on FC4. My non-ssl side has two > Virtual Hosts running on port 80. (no issues here) > BUT when I enable ssl on port 443 with a Virtual Host (same as one of > the non-ssl virtual Hosts ...only port 443)...the ssl side works but > it disables the non-ssl side. > In summery...Apache allows me to have either ssl or non-ssl but not > both. I know this must be something simple but I cannot see the wrench > in the machinery. The first virtual host in the config becomes the default site for requests that don't exactly match a specified ServerName or ServerAlias. If you added the port 443 entry at the top it's possible that your port 80 entry wasn't really matching but was invoked anyway as a default when it was the first one. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 16:14:30 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:14:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <4418BC35.5040604@alltel.net> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> <4418BC35.5040604@alltel.net> Message-ID: <2be970b50603160814y5e7f1b30v43e186dd7f3f9b04@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Thanks for the helpful advice! Tim, It _seems_ like 3COM Etherlink III's are supported in ISA mode. Am I misunderstanding the list of supported hardware. I have managed to scare some of those up. John On 3/15/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > john wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for your replies. These machines don't have any PCI slots, and > I haven't dug up any ISA based 3COMs or the like yet. > > Chuck I don't understand the bootrom socket advice can you explain > that to me a bit. > > Thanks, > > John > > On 3/15/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > > John: if the card/motherboard has a bootrom socket boot the sucker into > knoppix-live ubuntu live..dsl live and get a pci id. > if it has a pci slot free you "may" be able to put a bootroomed card in > and boot from it..some will boot some wont...chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > Likely, you can look on that old motherboard and find the chipset for the > NIC that is on it and get the number and find native drivers for that > chipset. This isan integrated NIC right? Once you find the chipset, you > can then go to rom-0-matic and get a bootrom for it. > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Mar 16 16:41:16 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:41:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603160814y5e7f1b30v43e186dd7f3f9b04@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> <4418BC35.5040604@alltel.net> <2be970b50603160814y5e7f1b30v43e186dd7f3f9b04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4419952C.2020002@maltzen.net> I think Tim was trying to say that the 3c515 is the only supported ISA 10/100mb card, since 100mb to the client is usually recommended, and that even then, because of ISA bus limitations, you won't get 100mb. (There weren't many 100mb ISA cards made for just this reason.) You are correct, that Etherlink IIIs will work, but only at 10mb, although that can be adequate as others have said. I still have a few 10mb Etherlink IIIs in use. However, while most switches will drop to 10mb if that's what the NIC speed is, I have found that with later releases of LTSP the terminals/clients have trouble booting when connected this way. As such, if I have 10mb cards in my clients, I make it a point to connect them to a 10mb hub (yes, I still have some of those) which then connects to my main 100mb switch. Plus, I had to put some special settings, courtesy of Jim McQ, into /etc/dhcpd.conf (which you have to do anyway with ISA cards). Here's the relevant chunk from dhcpd.conf: host wendolene { hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; fixed-address 172.26.18.5; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; } It's the "MOPTS=..." part that is necessary anymore with 10mb clients. HTH Petre john wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for the helpful advice! > > Tim, It _seems_ like 3COM Etherlink III's are supported in ISA mode. > Am I misunderstanding the list of supported hardware. I have managed > to scare some of those up. > > John > > On 3/15/06, Doug Simpson wrote: >> john wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Thanks for your replies. These machines don't have any PCI slots, and >> I haven't dug up any ISA based 3COMs or the like yet. >> >> Chuck I don't understand the bootrom socket advice can you explain >> that to me a bit. >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> On 3/15/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: >> >> >> John: if the card/motherboard has a bootrom socket boot the sucker into >> knoppix-live ubuntu live..dsl live and get a pci id. >> if it has a pci slot free you "may" be able to put a bootroomed card in >> and boot from it..some will boot some wont...chuck >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> Likely, you can look on that old motherboard and find the chipset for the >> NIC that is on it and get the number and find native drivers for that >> chipset. This isan integrated NIC right? Once you find the chipset, you >> can then go to rom-0-matic and get a bootrom for it. >> >> Doug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 17:31:47 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:31:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <4419952C.2020002@maltzen.net> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> <4418BC35.5040604@alltel.net> <2be970b50603160814y5e7f1b30v43e186dd7f3f9b04@mail.gmail.com> <4419952C.2020002@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <2be970b50603160931i73d5a101vc24ba4d58ebd156a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Petre! The clarification and advice was very helpful. John On 3/16/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > I think Tim was trying to say that the 3c515 is the only supported ISA 10/100mb card, > since 100mb to the client is usually recommended, and that even then, because of ISA bus > limitations, you won't get 100mb. (There weren't many 100mb ISA cards made for just this > reason.) You are correct, that Etherlink IIIs will work, but only at 10mb, although that > can be adequate as others have said. I still have a few 10mb Etherlink IIIs in use. > However, while most switches will drop to 10mb if that's what the NIC speed is, I have > found that with later releases of LTSP the terminals/clients have trouble booting when > connected this way. As such, if I have 10mb cards in my clients, I make it a point to > connect them to a 10mb hub (yes, I still have some of those) which then connects to my > main 100mb switch. Plus, I had to put some special settings, courtesy of Jim McQ, into > /etc/dhcpd.conf (which you have to do anyway with ISA cards). Here's the relevant chunk > from dhcpd.conf: > > host wendolene { > hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; > fixed-address 172.26.18.5; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; > } > > It's the "MOPTS=..." part that is necessary anymore with 10mb clients. HTH > > Petre > > john wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Thanks for the helpful advice! > > > > Tim, It _seems_ like 3COM Etherlink III's are supported in ISA mode. > > Am I misunderstanding the list of supported hardware. I have managed > > to scare some of those up. > > > > John > > > > On 3/15/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > >> john wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Thanks for your replies. These machines don't have any PCI slots, and > >> I haven't dug up any ISA based 3COMs or the like yet. > >> > >> Chuck I don't understand the bootrom socket advice can you explain > >> that to me a bit. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> John > >> > >> On 3/15/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> John: if the card/motherboard has a bootrom socket boot the sucker into > >> knoppix-live ubuntu live..dsl live and get a pci id. > >> if it has a pci slot free you "may" be able to put a bootroomed card in > >> and boot from it..some will boot some wont...chuck > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > >> Likely, you can look on that old motherboard and find the chipset for the > >> NIC that is on it and get the number and find native drivers for that > >> chipset. This isan integrated NIC right? Once you find the chipset, you > >> can then go to rom-0-matic and get a bootrom for it. > >> > >> Doug > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Thu Mar 16 18:27:17 2006 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:27:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Smoothwall Message-ID: Has anyone on this list used Smoothwall for a DHCP server in conjunction with K12LTSP on a single LAN segment? 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And if you are a tech with half a brain you can install Ren > Place yourself contrary to what their sales and tech people will tell > you. I had no issues installing it myself on a clean win2k server install. > With regard to this, I'm looking at the option of the remotely-hosted version versus hosting our own. How much hardware does it need? We really can't afford the outlay for a dedicated windows server just to support one application, and only have a single (underutilized) 2k3 server license in this Samba shop. Cheers, Mike Ely From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 19:12:37 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:12:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603160931i73d5a101vc24ba4d58ebd156a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> <4418BC35.5040604@alltel.net> <2be970b50603160814y5e7f1b30v43e186dd7f3f9b04@mail.gmail.com> <4419952C.2020002@maltzen.net> <2be970b50603160931i73d5a101vc24ba4d58ebd156a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50603161112l4916ba4dg654e1b130ea5b4a6@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Sadly I am not having much luck getting this going. The BIOS on the Compaq Net1/33S doesn't recognize the 3COM 3C509 (which I sort of expected since I assume ISA doesn't do PnP), and there doesn't appear to be a way to assign it an I/O address and an interupt. I don't even get link on the hub when I plug it in. In the hope that the Etherboot CD could provide enough information to get me going I tried the 3c509 image from a boot floppy but the message I got was: Probing PCI nic pci_init: no Bios32 detected Probing ISA nic [3x509] Any ideas? Thank you for sticking with me on this. John On 3/16/06, john wrote: > Thanks Petre! > > The clarification and advice was very helpful. > > John > > On 3/16/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > I think Tim was trying to say that the 3c515 is the only supported ISA 10/100mb card, > > since 100mb to the client is usually recommended, and that even then, because of ISA bus > > limitations, you won't get 100mb. (There weren't many 100mb ISA cards made for just this > > reason.) You are correct, that Etherlink IIIs will work, but only at 10mb, although that > > can be adequate as others have said. I still have a few 10mb Etherlink IIIs in use. > > However, while most switches will drop to 10mb if that's what the NIC speed is, I have > > found that with later releases of LTSP the terminals/clients have trouble booting when > > connected this way. As such, if I have 10mb cards in my clients, I make it a point to > > connect them to a 10mb hub (yes, I still have some of those) which then connects to my > > main 100mb switch. Plus, I had to put some special settings, courtesy of Jim McQ, into > > /etc/dhcpd.conf (which you have to do anyway with ISA cards). Here's the relevant chunk > > from dhcpd.conf: > > > > host wendolene { > > hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; > > fixed-address 172.26.18.5; > > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > option option-129 "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; > > } > > > > It's the "MOPTS=..." part that is necessary anymore with 10mb clients. HTH > > > > Petre > > > > john wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Thanks for the helpful advice! > > > > > > Tim, It _seems_ like 3COM Etherlink III's are supported in ISA mode. > > > Am I misunderstanding the list of supported hardware. I have managed > > > to scare some of those up. > > > > > > John > > > > > > On 3/15/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > >> john wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> Thanks for your replies. These machines don't have any PCI slots, and > > >> I haven't dug up any ISA based 3COMs or the like yet. > > >> > > >> Chuck I don't understand the bootrom socket advice can you explain > > >> that to me a bit. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> John > > >> > > >> On 3/15/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> John: if the card/motherboard has a bootrom socket boot the sucker into > > >> knoppix-live ubuntu live..dsl live and get a pci id. > > >> if it has a pci slot free you "may" be able to put a bootroomed card in > > >> and boot from it..some will boot some wont...chuck > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see > > >> > > >> > > >> Likely, you can look on that old motherboard and find the chipset for the > > >> NIC that is on it and get the number and find native drivers for that > > >> chipset. This isan integrated NIC right? Once you find the chipset, you > > >> can then go to rom-0-matic and get a bootrom for it. > > >> > > >> Doug > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see > > >> > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Mar 16 19:26:24 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:26:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:EL4.2.3x_64 install with sata Message-ID: <1142537184.17221.3.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello List, Just thought id do a follow up post. I was able to install K12LTSP 4.2.2x86_64 on this server without a hitch. What I have surmised is, the sata_uli driver/module is not on the EL4.2.3 iso's. SO id say EL4.2.3 will install on about any chipsetted motherboard, other than an uli chipset motherboard, which is what this server board has:(.. Take Care,, Barry Cisna From petre at maltzen.net Thu Mar 16 19:31:11 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:31:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603161112l4916ba4dg654e1b130ea5b4a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> <4418BC35.5040604@alltel.net> <2be970b50603160814y5e7f1b30v43e186dd7f3f9b04@mail.gmail.com> <4419952C.2020002@maltzen.net> <2be970b50603160931i73d5a101vc24ba4d58ebd156a@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50603161112l4916ba4dg654e1b130ea5b4a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4419BCFF.2030805@maltzen.net> Are the IRQ (interrupt) and IO settings on the card set the same as what the boot floppy expects? I recall having to dink around with the interrupt settings on the card I have to get it to work. And I think the 3c509 used a software configuration tool to set those (instead of jumpers). If you need the software utility, I think I might still have a copy at home. Or if you're impatient, you can go to http://pigtail.net/LRP/printsrv/ (which is a how-to on using old PCs and ISA NICs to build a print server) and follow the link for the 'detective disk' for the 3c509, where you'll find a file that you can dd to a floppy and then boot from that floppy into the config utility for the card. Petre john wrote: > Hi All, > > Sadly I am not having much luck getting this going. The BIOS on the > Compaq Net1/33S doesn't recognize the 3COM 3C509 (which I sort of > expected since I assume ISA doesn't do PnP), and there doesn't appear > to be a way to assign it an I/O address and an interupt. I don't even > get link on the hub when I plug it in. > > In the hope that the Etherboot CD could provide enough information to > get me going I tried the 3c509 image from a boot floppy but the > message I got was: > > Probing PCI nic > pci_init: no Bios32 detected > > Probing ISA nic > [3x509] > > > Any ideas? > > Thank you for sticking with me on this. > > John > > On 3/16/06, john wrote: >> Thanks Petre! >> >> The clarification and advice was very helpful. >> >> John >> >> On 3/16/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >>> I think Tim was trying to say that the 3c515 is the only supported ISA 10/100mb card, >>> since 100mb to the client is usually recommended, and that even then, because of ISA bus >>> limitations, you won't get 100mb. (There weren't many 100mb ISA cards made for just this >>> reason.) You are correct, that Etherlink IIIs will work, but only at 10mb, although that >>> can be adequate as others have said. I still have a few 10mb Etherlink IIIs in use. >>> However, while most switches will drop to 10mb if that's what the NIC speed is, I have >>> found that with later releases of LTSP the terminals/clients have trouble booting when >>> connected this way. As such, if I have 10mb cards in my clients, I make it a point to >>> connect them to a 10mb hub (yes, I still have some of those) which then connects to my >>> main 100mb switch. Plus, I had to put some special settings, courtesy of Jim McQ, into >>> /etc/dhcpd.conf (which you have to do anyway with ISA cards). Here's the relevant chunk >>> from dhcpd.conf: >>> >>> host wendolene { >>> hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; >>> fixed-address 172.26.18.5; >>> filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; >>> option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; >>> option option-129 "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; >>> } >>> >>> It's the "MOPTS=..." part that is necessary anymore with 10mb clients. HTH >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> john wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the helpful advice! >>>> >>>> Tim, It _seems_ like 3COM Etherlink III's are supported in ISA mode. >>>> Am I misunderstanding the list of supported hardware. I have managed >>>> to scare some of those up. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On 3/15/06, Doug Simpson wrote: >>>>> john wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your replies. These machines don't have any PCI slots, and >>>>> I haven't dug up any ISA based 3COMs or the like yet. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck I don't understand the bootrom socket advice can you explain >>>>> that to me a bit. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> On 3/15/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John: if the card/motherboard has a bootrom socket boot the sucker into >>>>> knoppix-live ubuntu live..dsl live and get a pci id. >>>>> if it has a pci slot free you "may" be able to put a bootroomed card in >>>>> and boot from it..some will boot some wont...chuck >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Likely, you can look on that old motherboard and find the chipset for the >>>>> NIC that is on it and get the number and find native drivers for that >>>>> chipset. This isan integrated NIC right? Once you find the chipset, you >>>>> can then go to rom-0-matic and get a bootrom for it. >>>>> >>>>> Doug >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From JRuff at Sihope.com Thu Mar 16 19:44:42 2006 From: JRuff at Sihope.com (John G. Ruff) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:44:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603161112l4916ba4dg654e1b130ea5b4a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> <4418BC35.5040604@alltel.net> <2be970b50603160814y5e7f1b30v43e186dd7f3f9b04@mail.gmail.com> <4419952C.2020002@maltzen.net> <2be970b50603160931i73d5a101vc24ba4d58ebd156a@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50603161112l4916ba4dg654e1b130ea5b4a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1142538282.16428.146.camel@JohnRuff.Updates4You.com> Most ISA cards need to be manually configured. Early ones with jumpers, later ones with DOS software. The program name is 3C5X9CFG.EXE and should be on the diskette that came with the card. It can be downloaded from the 3Com website, probably here: http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/nic/3c509.htm Normal setting are: I/O Base: 0300x IRQ: 10 Cable Type: Auto Which may or not be appropriate in any particular situation. jr On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 11:12 -0800, john wrote: > Hi All, > > Sadly I am not having much luck getting this going. The BIOS on the > Compaq Net1/33S doesn't recognize the 3COM 3C509 (which I sort of > expected since I assume ISA doesn't do PnP), and there doesn't appear > to be a way to assign it an I/O address and an interupt. I don't even > get link on the hub when I plug it in. > > In the hope that the Etherboot CD could provide enough information to > get me going I tried the 3c509 image from a boot floppy but the > message I got was: > > Probing PCI nic > pci_init: no Bios32 detected > > Probing ISA nic > [3x509] > > > Any ideas? > > Thank you for sticking with me on this. > > John > > On 3/16/06, john wrote: > > Thanks Petre! > > > > The clarification and advice was very helpful. > > > > John > > > > On 3/16/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > I think Tim was trying to say that the 3c515 is the only supported ISA 10/100mb card, > > > since 100mb to the client is usually recommended, and that even then, because of ISA bus > > > limitations, you won't get 100mb. (There weren't many 100mb ISA cards made for just this > > > reason.) You are correct, that Etherlink IIIs will work, but only at 10mb, although that > > > can be adequate as others have said. I still have a few 10mb Etherlink IIIs in use. > > > However, while most switches will drop to 10mb if that's what the NIC speed is, I have > > > found that with later releases of LTSP the terminals/clients have trouble booting when > > > connected this way. As such, if I have 10mb cards in my clients, I make it a point to > > > connect them to a 10mb hub (yes, I still have some of those) which then connects to my > > > main 100mb switch. Plus, I had to put some special settings, courtesy of Jim McQ, into > > > /etc/dhcpd.conf (which you have to do anyway with ISA cards). Here's the relevant chunk > > > from dhcpd.conf: > > > > > > host wendolene { > > > hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; > > > fixed-address 172.26.18.5; > > > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > > option option-129 "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; > > > } > > > > > > It's the "MOPTS=..." part that is necessary anymore with 10mb clients. HTH > > > > > > Petre > > > > > > john wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the helpful advice! > > > > > > > > Tim, It _seems_ like 3COM Etherlink III's are supported in ISA mode. > > > > Am I misunderstanding the list of supported hardware. I have managed > > > > to scare some of those up. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > On 3/15/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > >> john wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > > > >> > > > >> Thanks for your replies. These machines don't have any PCI slots, and > > > >> I haven't dug up any ISA based 3COMs or the like yet. > > > >> > > > >> Chuck I don't understand the bootrom socket advice can you explain > > > >> that to me a bit. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> > > > >> John > > > >> > > > >> On 3/15/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> John: if the card/motherboard has a bootrom socket boot the sucker into > > > >> knoppix-live ubuntu live..dsl live and get a pci id. > > > >> if it has a pci slot free you "may" be able to put a bootroomed card in > > > >> and boot from it..some will boot some wont...chuck > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > >> For more info see > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > >> For more info see > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Likely, you can look on that old motherboard and find the chipset for the > > > >> NIC that is on it and get the number and find native drivers for that > > > >> chipset. This isan integrated NIC right? Once you find the chipset, you > > > >> can then go to rom-0-matic and get a bootrom for it. > > > >> > > > >> Doug > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > >> For more info see > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From atmlogic at kmts.ca Thu Mar 16 18:46:38 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:46:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Brodcasting to Wireless 2.4 connections... In-Reply-To: <4419AEA2.3060800@frederic.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: <200603161949.k2GJn26W010371@mx3.redhat.com> Say... If I hook the "green" to an Access Point, if someone with a laptop connects to it, will it let them surf/mail etc? I am hoping that I can turn this OFF, and force them to login to the server to get mail/suft etc. This way the TS is also like an authentication box as well... I have an Idea to use the K12LTSP in a community of about 200 or so PPL that currantly have no internet. I want to setup a K12LT and then start passing out the wireless cards and CD's or even preconfigured thin clients that can somehow hook to the wireless network for booting. Anyone have any thoughts on this? From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Mar 16 20:12:28 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:12:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossgrade between centos 4 and FC4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11A71CDE-D1A6-4EF9-B537-C81E7EA70306@mindfirestudios.com> Nope, you could do and clean install and copy things over, but you can't just run the upgrade. On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello, > > is there a possibility to upgrade from the centos EL version of > K12LTSP to the Fedora Core based version? > Are there contra-indications? > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 20:37:17 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:37:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: "press enter to login" In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0603141834l1fa54fd1u84b0193433a8e9f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <81e6a9bf0603141834l1fa54fd1u84b0193433a8e9f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603161237o63ec876dlae3b4ad7d9de2163@mail.gmail.com> Forget it. I now realize that it is nessasary to have "press enter to login" appear so as not to be constantly knocking on a W2k terminal servers door constantly. If a user get a terminal server login but does not do anything for few minutes then the terminal server rightly kicks the user off. when the user it kicked off it would be "rude" to just have the server automatically try and go back to the login screen when nobody was probably at the terminal to begin with. On 3/14/06, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > I'm demoing LTSP to managment here tommorow. Some of the terminals will > go directly to a W2k3 Terminal server via the setting in "lts.conf" That > works fine but just before X fires up the terminal prompts the user to " > press enter to login". Can I get around this and just have the terminal > go directly in? I'm not complaining but it would just be alot smoother to > have it bypass that requirement. Anybody have any hints for me on that > one? I'll be demoing on 4.4.1 > > Thanks, > Jack > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Mar 16 21:39:49 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:39:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p._:_Re:_[K12OSN]_OT-_has_anyone_used_the_new_3ware_95?= 50sx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21850.163.41.16.249.1142545189.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > I have found this information on a forum: > ------------------ > We've also tested these cards running Debian stable with a 2.6.15 kernel > (the 9550SX support was added in 2.6.13 or 2.6.14). In 32-bit mode, > everything works wonderfully. Haven't tested 64-bit yet. > ------------------------------ > They got this hardware going in BSD. I have a 3ware 9000 series card (don't remember precisely which model ATM) running 8 SATA drives in raid 5 with a hot spare in hot-swap cages for my backup server. It has been rock solid since I put it up about 6 months ago. It's running Debian testing. About the only downside I can see is that their management software is readily available as Debian packages as far as I can see, so installing that was a little tricky-ish. -- -Regards- Quentin Hartman Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon V (541)767-3778 F (541)767-3041 www.slane.k12.or.us From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 21:55:50 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:55:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <1142538282.16428.146.camel@JohnRuff.Updates4You.com> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> <4418BC35.5040604@alltel.net> <2be970b50603160814y5e7f1b30v43e186dd7f3f9b04@mail.gmail.com> <4419952C.2020002@maltzen.net> <2be970b50603160931i73d5a101vc24ba4d58ebd156a@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50603161112l4916ba4dg654e1b130ea5b4a6@mail.gmail.com> <1142538282.16428.146.camel@JohnRuff.Updates4You.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50603161355p6fb15f87m1a21d5a0b58dec4c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Petre and John, I downloaded the card config tool and messed around trying I/O: I/O Base: 0300x IRQ: 10 and I/O Base: 0310x IRQ: 11 no joy, though. I randomly toggled some other settings (optimize for server, no modem, PnP off) but no change in the etherboot message. Is there a way to find out what I/O address and IRQ the 3C509 etherboot image is looking for? Perhaps it's neither of the above? John On 3/16/06, John G. Ruff wrote: > Most ISA cards need to be manually configured. Early ones with jumpers, > later ones with DOS software. The program name is 3C5X9CFG.EXE and > should be on the diskette that came with the card. It can be downloaded > from the 3Com website, probably here: > > http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/nic/3c509.htm > > Normal setting are: > > I/O Base: 0300x > IRQ: 10 > Cable Type: Auto > > Which may or not be appropriate in any particular situation. > > jr > > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 11:12 -0800, john wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Sadly I am not having much luck getting this going. The BIOS on the > > Compaq Net1/33S doesn't recognize the 3COM 3C509 (which I sort of > > expected since I assume ISA doesn't do PnP), and there doesn't appear > > to be a way to assign it an I/O address and an interupt. I don't even > > get link on the hub when I plug it in. > > > > In the hope that the Etherboot CD could provide enough information to > > get me going I tried the 3c509 image from a boot floppy but the > > message I got was: > > > > Probing PCI nic > > pci_init: no Bios32 detected > > > > Probing ISA nic > > [3x509] > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thank you for sticking with me on this. > > > > John > > > > On 3/16/06, john wrote: > > > Thanks Petre! > > > > > > The clarification and advice was very helpful. > > > > > > John > > > > > > On 3/16/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > > I think Tim was trying to say that the 3c515 is the only supported ISA 10/100mb card, > > > > since 100mb to the client is usually recommended, and that even then, because of ISA bus > > > > limitations, you won't get 100mb. (There weren't many 100mb ISA cards made for just this > > > > reason.) You are correct, that Etherlink IIIs will work, but only at 10mb, although that > > > > can be adequate as others have said. I still have a few 10mb Etherlink IIIs in use. > > > > However, while most switches will drop to 10mb if that's what the NIC speed is, I have > > > > found that with later releases of LTSP the terminals/clients have trouble booting when > > > > connected this way. As such, if I have 10mb cards in my clients, I make it a point to > > > > connect them to a 10mb hub (yes, I still have some of those) which then connects to my > > > > main 100mb switch. Plus, I had to put some special settings, courtesy of Jim McQ, into > > > > /etc/dhcpd.conf (which you have to do anyway with ISA cards). Here's the relevant chunk > > > > from dhcpd.conf: > > > > > > > > host wendolene { > > > > hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; > > > > fixed-address 172.26.18.5; > > > > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > > > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > > > option option-129 "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; > > > > } > > > > > > > > It's the "MOPTS=..." part that is necessary anymore with 10mb clients. HTH > > > > > > > > Petre > > > > > > > > john wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the helpful advice! > > > > > > > > > > Tim, It _seems_ like 3COM Etherlink III's are supported in ISA mode. > > > > > Am I misunderstanding the list of supported hardware. I have managed > > > > > to scare some of those up. > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > On 3/15/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > >> john wrote: > > > > >> Hi all, > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks for your replies. These machines don't have any PCI slots, and > > > > >> I haven't dug up any ISA based 3COMs or the like yet. > > > > >> > > > > >> Chuck I don't understand the bootrom socket advice can you explain > > > > >> that to me a bit. > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > >> > > > > >> John > > > > >> > > > > >> On 3/15/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> John: if the card/motherboard has a bootrom socket boot the sucker into > > > > >> knoppix-live ubuntu live..dsl live and get a pci id. > > > > >> if it has a pci slot free you "may" be able to put a bootroomed card in > > > > >> and boot from it..some will boot some wont...chuck > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > >> For more info see > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > >> For more info see > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Likely, you can look on that old motherboard and find the chipset for the > > > > >> NIC that is on it and get the number and find native drivers for that > > > > >> chipset. This isan integrated NIC right? Once you find the chipset, you > > > > >> can then go to rom-0-matic and get a bootrom for it. > > > > >> > > > > >> Doug > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > >> For more info see > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Mar 16 21:57:56 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:57:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: "press enter to login" In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0603161237o63ec876dlae3b4ad7d9de2163@mail.gmail.com> References: <81e6a9bf0603141834l1fa54fd1u84b0193433a8e9f0@mail.gmail.com> <81e6a9bf0603161237o63ec876dlae3b4ad7d9de2163@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1142546276.9211.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Jack- This behavior has been changed since LTSP v. 4.1.1 (I'm not sure what version you are using). In the latest version of LTSP, a wrapper script is called that launches rdesktop again when it dies, so that it does not kill the xserver. I can dig up the wrapper script and send it to you if you like. Or, if you can, update to the latest version. Regards, -Gideon On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 15:37 -0500, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > Forget it. I now realize that it is nessasary to have "press enter to > login" appear so as not to be constantly knocking on a W2k terminal > servers door constantly. If a user get a terminal server login but > does not do anything for few minutes then the terminal server rightly > kicks the user off. when the user it kicked off it would be "rude" to > just have the server automatically try and go back to the login screen > when nobody was probably at the terminal to begin with. > > On 3/14/06, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > I'm demoing LTSP to managment here tommorow. Some of the > terminals will go directly to a W2k3 Terminal server via the > setting in "lts.conf" That works fine but just before X fires > up the terminal prompts the user to "press enter to login". > Can I get around this and just have the terminal go directly > in? I'm not complaining but it would just be alot smoother to > have it bypass that requirement. Anybody have any hints for > me on that one? I'll be demoing on 4.4.1 > > Thanks, > > Jack > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Mar 16 22:47:47 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:47:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: "press enter to login" In-Reply-To: <1142546276.9211.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <81e6a9bf0603141834l1fa54fd1u84b0193433a8e9f0@mail.gmail.com> <81e6a9bf0603161237o63ec876dlae3b4ad7d9de2163@mail.gmail.com> <1142546276.9211.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1142549267.9211.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I figured I'd just send them along to the list. 1. Back up your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screen.d/rdesktop file 2. Replace with the attached rdesktop-screen (remember to chmod 755) 3. place the rdesktop.wrapper file in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin (also, chmod 755) Let 'er rip! -Gideon PS: Usual caveats about listening to some guy on the listserv apply (in terms of the computers coming to life and destroying the world on you...) On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 16:57 -0500, Gideon Romm wrote: > Jack- > > This behavior has been changed since LTSP v. 4.1.1 (I'm not sure what > version you are using). In the latest version of LTSP, a wrapper script > is called that launches rdesktop again when it dies, so that it does not > kill the xserver. > > I can dig up the wrapper script and send it to you if you like. Or, if > you can, update to the latest version. > > Regards, > > -Gideon > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 15:37 -0500, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > Forget it. I now realize that it is nessasary to have "press enter to > > login" appear so as not to be constantly knocking on a W2k terminal > > servers door constantly. If a user get a terminal server login but > > does not do anything for few minutes then the terminal server rightly > > kicks the user off. when the user it kicked off it would be "rude" to > > just have the server automatically try and go back to the login screen > > when nobody was probably at the terminal to begin with. > > > > On 3/14/06, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > I'm demoing LTSP to managment here tommorow. Some of the > > terminals will go directly to a W2k3 Terminal server via the > > setting in "lts.conf" That works fine but just before X fires > > up the terminal prompts the user to "press enter to login". > > Can I get around this and just have the terminal go directly > > in? I'm not complaining but it would just be alot smoother to > > have it bypass that requirement. Anybody have any hints for > > me on that one? I'll be demoing on 4.4.1 > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jack > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rdesktop.wrapper Type: application/x-shellscript Size: 56 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, ck From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Mar 17 01:03:32 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:03:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603161355p6fb15f87m1a21d5a0b58dec4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> <36260.169.244.70.148.1142455861.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> <4418BC35.5040604@alltel.net> <2be970b50603160814y5e7f1b30v43e186dd7f3f9b04@mail.gmail.com> <4419952C.2020002@maltzen.net> <2be970b50603160931i73d5a101vc24ba4d58ebd156a@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50603161112l4916ba4dg654e1b130ea5b4a6@mail.gmail.com> <1142538282.16428.146.camel@JohnRuff.Updates4You.com> <2be970b50603161355p6fb15f87m1a21d5a0b58dec4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441A0AE4.7000704@rogers.com> Hi Etherboot looks for a the card at an io address it doesn't care too much which address or irq is used as long as the it is not in use by other hardware. My first advice though would be to disable the on board nic if you can. However, you may want to open up the case and see if you can identify it. Compaq has used the tlan card but I forget whether the EB tlan driver supports isa (I did not have one to test). If you are able to boot a knoppix cd you may be able to find the on board nic driver. Otherwise send me a digital pic of the motherboard, I can often distinguish unmarked nics. Tim john wrote: > Hi Petre and John, > > I downloaded the card config tool and messed around trying I/O: > > I/O Base: 0300x > IRQ: 10 > > and > > I/O Base: 0310x > IRQ: 11 > > no joy, though. > > I randomly toggled some other settings (optimize for server, no modem, > PnP off) but no change in the etherboot message. > > Is there a way to find out what I/O address and IRQ the 3C509 > etherboot image is looking for? Perhaps it's neither of the above? > > John > > On 3/16/06, John G. Ruff wrote: > >>Most ISA cards need to be manually configured. Early ones with jumpers, >>later ones with DOS software. The program name is 3C5X9CFG.EXE and >>should be on the diskette that came with the card. It can be downloaded >>from the 3Com website, probably here: >> >>http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/nic/3c509.htm >> >>Normal setting are: >> >> I/O Base: 0300x >> IRQ: 10 >> Cable Type: Auto >> >>Which may or not be appropriate in any particular situation. >> >>jr >> >> >>On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 11:12 -0800, john wrote: >> >>>Hi All, >>> >>>Sadly I am not having much luck getting this going. The BIOS on the >>>Compaq Net1/33S doesn't recognize the 3COM 3C509 (which I sort of >>>expected since I assume ISA doesn't do PnP), and there doesn't appear >>>to be a way to assign it an I/O address and an interupt. I don't even >>>get link on the hub when I plug it in. >>> >>>In the hope that the Etherboot CD could provide enough information to >>>get me going I tried the 3c509 image from a boot floppy but the >>>message I got was: >>> >>>Probing PCI nic >>>pci_init: no Bios32 detected >>> >>>Probing ISA nic >>>[3x509] >>> >>> >>>Any ideas? >>> >>>Thank you for sticking with me on this. >>> >>>John >>> >>>On 3/16/06, john wrote: >>> >>>>Thanks Petre! >>>> >>>>The clarification and advice was very helpful. >>>> >>>>John >>>> >>>>On 3/16/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >>>> >>>>>I think Tim was trying to say that the 3c515 is the only supported ISA 10/100mb card, >>>>>since 100mb to the client is usually recommended, and that even then, because of ISA bus >>>>>limitations, you won't get 100mb. (There weren't many 100mb ISA cards made for just this >>>>>reason.) You are correct, that Etherlink IIIs will work, but only at 10mb, although that >>>>>can be adequate as others have said. I still have a few 10mb Etherlink IIIs in use. >>>>>However, while most switches will drop to 10mb if that's what the NIC speed is, I have >>>>>found that with later releases of LTSP the terminals/clients have trouble booting when >>>>>connected this way. As such, if I have 10mb cards in my clients, I make it a point to >>>>>connect them to a 10mb hub (yes, I still have some of those) which then connects to my >>>>>main 100mb switch. Plus, I had to put some special settings, courtesy of Jim McQ, into >>>>>/etc/dhcpd.conf (which you have to do anyway with ISA cards). Here's the relevant chunk >>>>>from dhcpd.conf: >>>>> >>>>>host wendolene { >>>>> hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; >>>>> fixed-address 172.26.18.5; >>>>> filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; >>>>> option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; >>>>> option option-129 "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; >>>>> } >>>>> >>>>>It's the "MOPTS=..." part that is necessary anymore with 10mb clients. HTH >>>>> >>>>>Petre >>>>> >>>>>john wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for the helpful advice! >>>>>> >>>>>>Tim, It _seems_ like 3COM Etherlink III's are supported in ISA mode. >>>>>>Am I misunderstanding the list of supported hardware. I have managed >>>>>>to scare some of those up. >>>>>> >>>>>>John >>>>>> >>>>>>On 3/15/06, Doug Simpson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> john wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks for your replies. These machines don't have any PCI slots, and >>>>>>>I haven't dug up any ISA based 3COMs or the like yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Chuck I don't understand the bootrom socket advice can you explain >>>>>>>that to me a bit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>John >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On 3/15/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John: if the card/motherboard has a bootrom socket boot the sucker into >>>>>>>knoppix-live ubuntu live..dsl live and get a pci id. >>>>>>>if it has a pci slot free you "may" be able to put a bootroomed card in >>>>>>>and boot from it..some will boot some wont...chuck >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>For more info see >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>For more info see >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Likely, you can look on that old motherboard and find the chipset for the >>>>>>>NIC that is on it and get the number and find native drivers for that >>>>>>>chipset. This isan integrated NIC right? Once you find the chipset, you >>>>>>>can then go to rom-0-matic and get a bootrom for it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>For more info see >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From atmlogic at kmts.ca Fri Mar 17 01:43:54 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:43:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Brodcasting to Wireless 2.4 connections... In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0603161301u6ca20a67p6af08db93b9e75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603170246.k2H2kqCK019838@mx3.redhat.com> Ok... I guess what I should be asking is this... If you have a setup such as this... Internet | IP COP+ | K12LTSP | 24 Port Switch | | WirelessAP Classroom | 100' Tower If I have this setup, I would like to have the users "in the community" to be able to access the K12LTS 'IF' they paid for a subscription, and got a user/pass. However if they did not, yet could still access the AP they cannot take advantage of the wireless network to access the internet... They may be able to "connect" however it would be the same as connecting the the network at the airport... Totally useless unless you pay for a card. (Or have Ethereal installed :) I have been looking at other things such as NoCat, as well as off the shelf boxes like NOMADIX however, its always nice to just do one stop shopping :) Any more thoughts? I am not sure how I would set up the 2nd card if I hooked up a 2nd nic... How to I "tell" it not to do any more than "allow" local connections maybe? Thanks.. Hi there, You could hook your AP to a second network adaptor on the K12LTSP server. It's then only able to get access out from there. I used to have my network setup like that at home. Rgds, Jon On 3/16/06, ATM Logic wrote: Say... If I hook the "green" to an Access Point, if someone with a laptop connects to it, will it let them surf/mail etc? I am hoping that I can turn this OFF, and force them to login to the server to get mail/suft etc. This way the TS is also like an authentication box as well... I have an Idea to use the K12LTSP in a community of about 200 or so PPL that currantly have no internet. I want to setup a K12LT and then start passing out the wireless cards and CD's or even preconfigured thin clients that can somehow hook to the wireless network for booting. Anyone have any thoughts on this? _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see < http://www.k12os.org > From ddwelley at msad54.org Fri Mar 17 03:10:09 2006 From: ddwelley at msad54.org (Dan Dwelley) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:10:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache webserver question References: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027317F0@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> <1142523551.16365.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027F430F@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Thanks Les. Port 443 is not added to the top. When using mod_ssl with Apache, The ssl side of things is configured in the ssl.conf file rather than the httpd.conf file. The virtual Hosts are defined by IP:port number and the servername is refined within the Virtual Hosts by domaine name:port. I've never seen this type of behavior in a webserver. Thanks again! Dan -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Les Mikesell Sent: Thu 3/16/2006 10:39 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Apache webserver question On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 09:30, Dan Dwelley wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm hoping someone will have some thoughts on the following: > > I'm running Apache 2 with mod_ssl on FC4. My non-ssl side has two > Virtual Hosts running on port 80. (no issues here) > BUT when I enable ssl on port 443 with a Virtual Host (same as one of > the non-ssl virtual Hosts ...only port 443)...the ssl side works but > it disables the non-ssl side. > In summery...Apache allows me to have either ssl or non-ssl but not > both. I know this must be something simple but I cannot see the wrench > in the machinery. The first virtual host in the config becomes the default site for requests that don't exactly match a specified ServerName or ServerAlias. If you added the port 443 entry at the top it's possible that your port 80 entry wasn't really matching but was invoked anyway as a default when it was the first one. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3523 bytes Desc: not available URL: From opensource at whitenitro.com Fri Mar 17 03:34:56 2006 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:34:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Determining version number Message-ID: <15181e757fe4d574e13237cb3c253412@whitenitro.com> How do I determine the version of a running K12LTSP server and the version of the underlying LTSP? ("Is it 4.1 or 4.1.1?") From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 17 05:36:33 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:36:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache webserver question In-Reply-To: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027F430F@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> References: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027317F0@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> <1142523551.16365.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027F430F@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <1142573793.27564.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 21:10, Dan Dwelley wrote: > Thanks Les. Port 443 is not added to the top. When using mod_ssl with Apache, The ssl side of things is configured in the ssl.conf file rather than the httpd.conf file. The virtual Hosts are defined by IP:port number and the servername is refined within the Virtual Hosts by domaine name:port. > > I've never seen this type of behavior in a webserver. You can't actually do named virtual hosts right for https since you have to present the correct certificate for the host before the client will send the headers that include the desired hostname. But, you still should be able to get a default https server and named http virtual servers working at the same time. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 13:46:55 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:46:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: "press enter to login" In-Reply-To: <1142549267.9211.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <81e6a9bf0603141834l1fa54fd1u84b0193433a8e9f0@mail.gmail.com> <81e6a9bf0603161237o63ec876dlae3b4ad7d9de2163@mail.gmail.com> <1142546276.9211.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1142549267.9211.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603170546l2267c0vd26822efc313cae8@mail.gmail.com> Thanks a bunch. You must have been reading my mind or something because I am very interested in these wrapper scripts. I have been lucky enough to demo LTSP for the company I work for and I'd like to have the ability to launch other applicatons like Citrix for example for certain terminals. Some people want Linux, some want a Windows terminal server and some want Citrix. LTSP can fit the bill on all of these with a few servers and lots of old hardware nobody wants to use. Thanks again Jack On 3/16/06, Gideon Romm wrote: > > I figured I'd just send them along to the list. > > 1. Back up your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screen.d/rdesktop file > 2. Replace with the attached rdesktop-screen (remember to chmod 755) > 3. place the rdesktop.wrapper file in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin (also, > chmod 755) > > Let 'er rip! > > -Gideon > > PS: Usual caveats about listening to some guy on the listserv apply (in > terms of the computers coming to life and destroying the world on > you...) > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 16:57 -0500, Gideon Romm wrote: > > Jack- > > > > This behavior has been changed since LTSP v. 4.1.1 (I'm not sure what > > version you are using). In the latest version of LTSP, a wrapper script > > is called that launches rdesktop again when it dies, so that it does not > > kill the xserver. > > > > I can dig up the wrapper script and send it to you if you like. Or, if > > you can, update to the latest version. > > > > Regards, > > > > -Gideon > > > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 15:37 -0500, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > > Forget it. I now realize that it is nessasary to have "press enter to > > > login" appear so as not to be constantly knocking on a W2k terminal > > > servers door constantly. If a user get a terminal server login but > > > does not do anything for few minutes then the terminal server rightly > > > kicks the user off. when the user it kicked off it would be "rude" to > > > just have the server automatically try and go back to the login screen > > > when nobody was probably at the terminal to begin with. > > > > > > On 3/14/06, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > > I'm demoing LTSP to managment here tommorow. Some of the > > > terminals will go directly to a W2k3 Terminal server via the > > > setting in "lts.conf" That works fine but just before X fires > > > up the terminal prompts the user to "press enter to login". > > > Can I get around this and just have the terminal go directly > > > in? I'm not complaining but it would just be alot smoother to > > > have it bypass that requirement. Anybody have any hints for > > > me on that one? I'll be demoing on 4.4.1 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > www.symbio-technologies.com > www.thesymbiont.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Fri Mar 17 16:16:50 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:16:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: "press enter to login" In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0603170546l2267c0vd26822efc313cae8@mail.gmail.com> References: <81e6a9bf0603141834l1fa54fd1u84b0193433a8e9f0@mail.gmail.com> <81e6a9bf0603161237o63ec876dlae3b4ad7d9de2163@mail.gmail.com> <1142546276.9211.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1142549267.9211.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <81e6a9bf0603170546l2267c0vd26822efc313cae8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1142612210.4806.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Jack- No problem. If you can, please post your version of K12LTSP, just so any future person searching these archives with the same problem will be able to find the solution easier. Cheers, -Gideon On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 08:46 -0500, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > Thanks a bunch. You must have been reading my mind or something > because I am very interested in these wrapper scripts. I have been > lucky enough to demo LTSP for the company I work for and I'd like to > have the ability to launch other applicatons like Citrix for example > for certain terminals. Some people want Linux, some want a Windows > terminal server and some want Citrix. LTSP can fit the bill on all of > these with a few servers and lots of old hardware nobody wants to use. > > Thanks again > Jack > > On 3/16/06, Gideon Romm wrote: > I figured I'd just send them along to the list. > > 1. Back up your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screen.d/rdesktop file > 2. Replace with the attached rdesktop-screen (remember to > chmod 755) > 3. place the rdesktop.wrapper file > in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin (also, > chmod 755) > > Let 'er rip! > > -Gideon > > PS: Usual caveats about listening to some guy on the listserv > apply (in > terms of the computers coming to life and destroying the world > on > you...) > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 16:57 -0500, Gideon Romm wrote: > > Jack- > > > > This behavior has been changed since LTSP v. 4.1.1 (I'm not > sure what > > version you are using). In the latest version of LTSP, a > wrapper script > > is called that launches rdesktop again when it dies, so that > it does not > > kill the xserver. > > > > I can dig up the wrapper script and send it to you if you > like. Or, if > > you can, update to the latest version. > > > > Regards, > > > > -Gideon > > > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 15:37 -0500, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > > Forget it. I now realize that it is nessasary to have > "press enter to > > > login" appear so as not to be constantly knocking on a W2k > terminal > > > servers door constantly. If a user get a terminal server > login but > > > does not do anything for few minutes then the terminal > server rightly > > > kicks the user off. when the user it kicked off it would > be "rude" to > > > just have the server automatically try and go back to the > login screen > > > when nobody was probably at the terminal to begin with. > > > > > > On 3/14/06, Jack Palmadesso > wrote: > > > I'm demoing LTSP to managment here tommorow. Some > of the > > > terminals will go directly to a W2k3 Terminal > server via the > > > setting in "lts.conf" That works fine but just > before X fires > > > up the terminal prompts the user to "press enter > to login". > > > Can I get around this and just have the terminal > go directly > > > in? I'm not complaining but it would just be alot > smoother to > > > have it bypass that requirement. Anybody have any > hints for > > > me on that one? I'll be demoing on 4.4.1 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > www.symbio-technologies.com > www.thesymbiont.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 17 16:24:05 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:24:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Determining version number In-Reply-To: <15181e757fe4d574e13237cb3c253412@whitenitro.com> References: <15181e757fe4d574e13237cb3c253412@whitenitro.com> Message-ID: <441AE2A5.5070708@maltzen.net> 'cat /etc/issue' will tell you which version of Fedora. 'cat /etc/k12ltsp-release' will tell you which version of K12LTSP. Petre Bryant Patten wrote: > How do I determine the version of a running K12LTSP server and the > version of the underlying LTSP? ("Is it 4.1 or 4.1.1?") > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri Mar 17 16:33:37 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:33:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Brodcasting to Wireless 2.4 connections... In-Reply-To: <200603170246.k2H2kqCK019838@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603170246.k2H2kqCK019838@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <441AE4E1.5040102@saskforestcentre.ca> ATM Logic wrote: >Ok... I guess what I should be asking is this... > >If you have a setup such as this... > > Internet > | > IP COP+ > | > K12LTSP > | > 24 Port Switch > | | > WirelessAP Classroom > | > 100' Tower > > >If I have this setup, I would like to have the users "in the community" to >be able to access the K12LTS 'IF' they paid for a subscription, and got a >user/pass. However if they did not, yet could still access the AP they >cannot take advantage of the wireless network to access the internet... They >may be able to "connect" however it would be the same as connecting the the >network at the airport... Totally useless unless you pay for a card. (Or >have Ethereal installed :) > >I have been looking at other things such as NoCat, as well as off the shelf >boxes like NOMADIX however, its always nice to just do one stop shopping :) > >Any more thoughts? I am not sure how I would set up the 2nd card if I >hooked up a 2nd nic... How to I "tell" it not to do any more than "allow" >local connections maybe? > >Thanks.. > > > > >Hi there, > >You could hook your AP to a second network adaptor on the K12LTSP server. >It's then only able to get access out from there. > >I used to have my network setup like that at home. > >Rgds, > >Jon > > >On 3/16/06, ATM Logic wrote: > > Say... If I hook the "green" to an Access Point, if someone with a >laptop > connects to it, will it let them surf/mail etc? I am hoping that I >can turn > this OFF, and force them to login to the server to get mail/suft >etc. This > way the TS is also like an authentication box as well... > > I have an Idea to use the K12LTSP in a community of about 200 or so >PPL that > currantly have no internet. I want to setup a K12LT and then start >passing > out the wireless cards and CD's or even preconfigured thin clients >that can > somehow hook to the wireless network for booting. > > Anyone have any thoughts on this? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org > > > > What we've done here is to put a monowall (http://m0n0.ch/wall/) box (yet another old PC) as a firewall between the AP and the switch. We use a captive portal for the wireless subnet. It forces a login before you can use the connection. We're authenticating local users, and handing out connections as needed. This is very similar to the coffee shop approach. If the user then wants into out main network, they have to use a VPN over the wireless network. That way, we can provide a wireless hotspot to local users, and still maintain our security. We do have a "guest" login. The total cost is just the electricity we pipe into the machine. Angus Carr. From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Fri Mar 17 16:59:45 2006 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:59:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ReadNaturally and WINE In-Reply-To: <20060317010420.95FC673CC8@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060317010420.95FC673CC8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <441AEB01.1080808@frederic.k12.wi.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The hardware seems fairly reasonable, I purchased a server for it (although it will be running a few other items as well) but didn't spend all that much. I went with a P4 2.66 GHz with 1 GB RAM and a 160 GB SATA 7200 RPM HDD. I am using a win2k server lic I had laying around so no cost there. I am expecting to accomidate an active load of about 15 to 20 kids at a time (I'm using MSDE which only supports a limited number of connections). I think this setup should do. Of course this is for an elementary school with only 240 students (we have only 536 students total in the district). I haven't load tested the server but I expect it will run ok. I have already put in suggestions of them switching it to php and making a db that is compatible with mysql/postgresql and the ability to use apache. But I encourage others to do the same, maybe they will listen. I will try to remember to let the list know how it goes when I put it into production, still waiting on the AR quizzes and I need to transfer the users and data from the old system yet. > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:52:43 -0800 > From: Mike Ely > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ReadNaturally and WINE > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <4419B3FB.4060903 at rogueriver.k12.or.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Justin Paulsen wrote: > > >>>BTW, We are in the process of moving from STAR Math, STAR Reading, and >>>Reading counts to RenPlace STAR Math, STAR Reading, and Accelerated >>>Reader. And if you are a tech with half a brain you can install Ren >>>Place yourself contrary to what their sales and tech people will tell >>>you. I had no issues installing it myself on a clean win2k server install. >>> > > With regard to this, I'm looking at the option of the remotely-hosted > version versus hosting our own. How much hardware does it need? We > really can't afford the outlay for a dedicated windows server just to > support one application, and only have a single (underutilized) 2k3 > server license in this Samba shop. > > Cheers, > Mike Ely - -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District 1-715-327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEGusATAEpO2FJQr4RAkdeAJ97tYYUCrKGNoaQNZHrKQ/RrkbHvwCeJxuo g+8m+s5u8HdDCWVp/k3hlwA= =12ku -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: paulsenj.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Mar 17 17:57:59 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:57:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] only a certain number of clients login Message-ID: <20060317105759.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.dfba137859.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I am sure that there must be some setting which is preventing more clients ability to boot. I get to a certain number maybe 16 or so and then the next client that tries to boot stops before the login screen comes up. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 18:03:23 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:03:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] only a certain number of clients login In-Reply-To: <20060317105759.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.dfba137859.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060317105759.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.dfba137859.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On 3/17/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I am sure that there must be some setting which is preventing more > clients ability to boot. I get to a certain > number maybe 16 or so and then the next client that tries to boot stops > before the login screen comes up. Ron: Look in your login screen setup, for the XDMCP tab, and then the setting for maximum remote sessions. (I'm on Ubuntu thin client, but I think it's the same for FC). Once you change that, you need to restart GDM, and how you do that will depend on what distribution you are running... I'll let someone more technical give you correct steps for that! Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer Reuse) www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software in Schools) From julius at turtle.com Fri Mar 17 18:05:04 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:05:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenVPN slow Message-ID: Dear Folks, I am forced to use OpenVPN, now that CIPE is gone. I've run into an effective show stopper - the connections are slow: double to quadruple time of similar CIPE connections. Any suggestions on how to speed things up are very welcome. Thanks, julius From atmlogic at kmts.ca Fri Mar 17 19:24:26 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:24:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Brodcasting to Wireless 2.4 connections... In-Reply-To: <441AE4E1.5040102@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <200603171927.k2HJRTVd008292@mx3.redhat.com> Thanks Angus, Wow, your on all the good lists :) That looks much more along the lines of what I need... Now its all about the testing :) ---Andrew ATM Logic -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Angus Carr Sent: March 17, 2006 10:34 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Brodcasting to Wireless 2.4 connections... ATM Logic wrote: >Ok... I guess what I should be asking is this... > >If you have a setup such as this... > > Internet > | > IP COP+ > | > K12LTSP > | > 24 Port Switch > | | > WirelessAP Classroom > | > 100' Tower > > >If I have this setup, I would like to have the users "in the community" >to be able to access the K12LTS 'IF' they paid for a subscription, and >got a user/pass. However if they did not, yet could still access the >AP they cannot take advantage of the wireless network to access the >internet... They may be able to "connect" however it would be the same >as connecting the the network at the airport... Totally useless unless >you pay for a card. (Or have Ethereal installed :) > >I have been looking at other things such as NoCat, as well as off the >shelf boxes like NOMADIX however, its always nice to just do one stop >shopping :) > >Any more thoughts? I am not sure how I would set up the 2nd card if I >hooked up a 2nd nic... How to I "tell" it not to do any more than "allow" >local connections maybe? > >Thanks.. > > > > >Hi there, > >You could hook your AP to a second network adaptor on the K12LTSP server. >It's then only able to get access out from there. > >I used to have my network setup like that at home. > >Rgds, > >Jon > > >On 3/16/06, ATM Logic wrote: > > Say... If I hook the "green" to an Access Point, if someone with a >laptop > connects to it, will it let them surf/mail etc? I am hoping that I >can turn > this OFF, and force them to login to the server to get mail/suft etc. >This > way the TS is also like an authentication box as well... > > I have an Idea to use the K12LTSP in a community of about 200 or so >PPL that > currantly have no internet. I want to setup a K12LT and then start >passing > out the wireless cards and CD's or even preconfigured thin clients >that can > somehow hook to the wireless network for booting. > > Anyone have any thoughts on this? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org > > > > What we've done here is to put a monowall (http://m0n0.ch/wall/) box (yet another old PC) as a firewall between the AP and the switch. We use a captive portal for the wireless subnet. It forces a login before you can use the connection. We're authenticating local users, and handing out connections as needed. This is very similar to the coffee shop approach. If the user then wants into out main network, they have to use a VPN over the wireless network. That way, we can provide a wireless hotspot to local users, and still maintain our security. We do have a "guest" login. The total cost is just the electricity we pipe into the machine. Angus Carr. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 22:31:19 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:31:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: "press enter to login" another successful demonstration Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603171431x73e60dc2m9a40d21de18a09@mail.gmail.com> I'm using 4.1.1 K12LTSP with all the latest updates via yum. I did an LTSP demonstration today to a head of IT. He was "very impressed" with the speed of the whole system. I'm now slated to give a demonstration to the whole IT dept in Orlando next month. I've heard lots of people on here in the past doing the same thing so I'll be drawing on that work at little for the short presentation. I chose hardware that we currently own but could not give away to users if we tried. An old machine to us is a Dell GX200 (p3 900 128mb ram). Of course it all ran like a dream. I booted 3 terminals at the same time. The server CPU never went above 4% and when it did it was only for a second. One terminal went to a Linux login and two others were redirected to a w2k3 terminal server. I wanted to boot one to a Citrix application but did not have time to fully incorporate the Citrix client into the LTSP server scripts. Thanks to Romm I should be able to finish that soon. I'll post on the Wiki when I get it going properly. Still some bugs to work out. Jack On 3/17/06, Gideon Romm wrote: > > Jack- > > No problem. If you can, please post your version of K12LTSP, just so > any future person searching these archives with the same problem will be > able to find the solution easier. > > Cheers, > > -Gideon > > On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 08:46 -0500, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > Thanks a bunch. You must have been reading my mind or something > > because I am very interested in these wrapper scripts. I have been > > lucky enough to demo LTSP for the company I work for and I'd like to > > have the ability to launch other applicatons like Citrix for example > > for certain terminals. Some people want Linux, some want a Windows > > terminal server and some want Citrix. LTSP can fit the bill on all of > > these with a few servers and lots of old hardware nobody wants to use. > > > > Thanks again > > Jack > > > > On 3/16/06, Gideon Romm wrote: > > I figured I'd just send them along to the list. > > > > 1. Back up your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screen.d/rdesktop file > > 2. Replace with the attached rdesktop-screen (remember to > > chmod 755) > > 3. place the rdesktop.wrapper file > > in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin (also, > > chmod 755) > > > > Let 'er rip! > > > > -Gideon > > > > PS: Usual caveats about listening to some guy on the listserv > > apply (in > > terms of the computers coming to life and destroying the world > > on > > you...) > > > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 16:57 -0500, Gideon Romm wrote: > > > Jack- > > > > > > This behavior has been changed since LTSP v. 4.1.1 (I'm not > > sure what > > > version you are using). In the latest version of LTSP, a > > wrapper script > > > is called that launches rdesktop again when it dies, so that > > it does not > > > kill the xserver. > > > > > > I can dig up the wrapper script and send it to you if you > > like. Or, if > > > you can, update to the latest version. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -Gideon > > > > > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 15:37 -0500, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > > > Forget it. I now realize that it is nessasary to have > > "press enter to > > > > login" appear so as not to be constantly knocking on a W2k > > terminal > > > > servers door constantly. If a user get a terminal server > > login but > > > > does not do anything for few minutes then the terminal > > server rightly > > > > kicks the user off. when the user it kicked off it would > > be "rude" to > > > > just have the server automatically try and go back to the > > login screen > > > > when nobody was probably at the terminal to begin with. > > > > > > > > On 3/14/06, Jack Palmadesso > > wrote: > > > > I'm demoing LTSP to managment here tommorow. Some > > of the > > > > terminals will go directly to a W2k3 Terminal > > server via the > > > > setting in "lts.conf" That works fine but just > > before X fires > > > > up the terminal prompts the user to "press enter > > to login". > > > > Can I get around this and just have the terminal > > go directly > > > > in? I'm not complaining but it would just be alot > > smoother to > > > > have it bypass that requirement. Anybody have any > > hints for > > > > me on that one? I'll be demoing on 4.4.1 > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > > > www.symbio-technologies.com > > www.thesymbiont.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer > ltsp at symbio-technologies.com > > Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: > > www.DisklessWorkstations.com > www.DisklessThinClients.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Fri Mar 17 23:59:58 2006 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:59:58 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Question on school software.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603171859.58994.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Hi George, I setup a Windows 2003 terminal server. The K12LTSP clients can use rdesktop to connect and run a windows terminal solution, then I run Accelarated Reader from there. Peace, John On Tuesday 14 March 2006 12:32, George Miller wrote: > Hi: > I'm very interested in the K12LTSP thin client software for our school's > labs. > > One question that keeps coming up is: "How do you folks use Accelerated > Reading, Star Reading, Star Math and Accelerated Math?" > > Our district makes heavy use of these programs, and I check with their > developers and they will not run under Linux, they will run on Windows > thin client setup. > > I would appreciate hearing what you do if you need to use these programs. > > thank you, > > George > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Thanks, John From sbetts at msad52.org Sat Mar 18 00:45:45 2006 From: sbetts at msad52.org (Sharon Betts) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:45:45 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Question on school software.. In-Reply-To: <200603171859.58994.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200603171859.58994.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: We did the same thing -- but I sure hated those Windows terminal CALs that I had to buy. UGH. Sharon jhansknecht at hanstech.com on Friday, March 17, 2006 at 6:59 PM -0500 wrote: >Hi George, > >I setup a Windows 2003 terminal server. The K12LTSP clients can use >rdesktop >to connect and run a windows terminal solution, then I run Accelarated >Reader >from there. > >Peace, > >John > >On Tuesday 14 March 2006 12:32, George Miller wrote: >> Hi: >> I'm very interested in the K12LTSP thin client software for our school's >> labs. >> >> One question that keeps coming up is: "How do you folks use Accelerated >> Reading, Star Reading, Star Math and Accelerated Math?" >> >> Our district makes heavy use of these programs, and I check with their >> developers and they will not run under Linux, they will run on Windows >> thin client setup. >> >> I would appreciate hearing what you do if you need to use these >programs. >> >> thank you, >> >> George >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > >-- >Thanks, > >John > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org No generation in history has ever been so thoroughly prepared for the industrial age. -- David Warlick Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. From jam at mcquil.com Sat Mar 18 01:09:51 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:09:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World - Boston - Here we come Message-ID: <441B5DDF.8080603@McQuil.com> It's LinuxWorld time again :) On Tuesday, April 4th, we will be invading the Boston Convention and Exhibition Center. We've got the usual booth lined up for LTSP in the .Org pavilion, and if you happen to be in the area at that time, and have a few hours to spare, we'd love to have you spend some time at the booth. We've done this many times before , and it's always a great adventure, and the LTSP booth has typically been one of the busiest in the whole exhibit hall. The show starts on Tuesday morning, April 4th, and goes until 4:00pm on Thursday, April 6th. The full schedule is: Tuesday, Apr 4th 10:00am - 5:00pm Wednesday, Apr 5th 10:00am - 5:00pm Thursday, Apr 6th 10:00am - 4:00pm We're also planning the traditional LTSP dinner for Wednesday evening, so you sure don't want to miss that. In addition, Marty Connor will be there at the Etherboot booth, so you can stop by and thank him for the Rom-o-matic site that he maintains. If you need passes to get into the exhibit hall, just send me an email, and I can email them out to you. So, it's a great opportunity to meet fellow LTSP users and developers. Plus, the best news of all..... We'll be releasing LTSP-4.2 at the show !!!!! If you are interested, and would like to be a part of the adventure, then please send me an email to: volunteers at LTSP.org If you can't make it to Boston, we'll also be at the LinuxWorld in San Francisco August 15-17th. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From ramonklown at pop.com.br Sat Mar 18 01:44:28 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:44:28 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache webserver question In-Reply-To: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027317F0@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> References: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027317F0@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <55526.201.50.203.174.1142646268.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Sat Mar 18 15:30:25 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:30:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] UDP checksum error on client when loading kernel Message-ID: <441C2791.9080701@maltzen.net> I've got a Compaq Presario 5838 that I'm trying to setup as a client. It's got a PCI ethernet card in it, for which I've been trying to use one of the MTD80x boot images from rom-o-matic. The client gets an IP address, and starts to load the kernel, but then I get a UDP checksum error, as follows: Loading 172.26.18.18;/lts.vmlinuz.ltsp....(NBI).....UDP checksum error.. and it just keeps repeating the error. I tried a Realtek-based ethernet card in the machine and it worked just fine, so I suspect it's something funky with this card. Puppy linux works just fine with it, using a 'fealnx' ethernet driver. Any suggestions for a boot floppy? Do I need to add some custom options to the file I get from rom-o-matic? Petre From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Mar 18 19:00:15 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:00:15 -0600 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Question on school software.. In-Reply-To: References: <200603171859.58994.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <1E7FEAF4-34C4-4CF0-A1C7-2EBE931D3D84@mindfirestudios.com> That's the advantage of the newer web-based versions of RenLearn's stuff. You still need a windows server, but at least you don't need to buy CALs and TSCALS if the RenLearn stuff is your only windows bound application. On Mar 17, 2006, at 6:45 PM, Sharon Betts wrote: > We did the same thing -- but I sure hated those Windows terminal > CALs that > I had to buy. > UGH. > Sharon > > jhansknecht at hanstech.com on Friday, March 17, 2006 at 6:59 PM -0500 > wrote: >> Hi George, >> >> I setup a Windows 2003 terminal server. The K12LTSP clients can use >> rdesktop >> to connect and run a windows terminal solution, then I run >> Accelarated >> Reader >> from there. >> >> Peace, >> >> John >> >> On Tuesday 14 March 2006 12:32, George Miller wrote: >>> Hi: >>> I'm very interested in the K12LTSP thin client software for our >>> school's >>> labs. >>> >>> One question that keeps coming up is: "How do you folks use >>> Accelerated >>> Reading, Star Reading, Star Math and Accelerated Math?" >>> >>> Our district makes heavy use of these programs, and I check with >>> their >>> developers and they will not run under Linux, they will run on >>> Windows >>> thin client setup. >>> >>> I would appreciate hearing what you do if you need to use these >> programs. >>> >>> thank you, >>> >>> George >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 > 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 > 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org > No generation in history has ever been so thoroughly prepared for the > industrial age. -- David Warlick > > > Information contained in this message is privileged and > confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or > copy, > this message. If you have received this message in error, please > delete > this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Mar 18 22:16:44 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:16:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] UDP checksum error on client when loading kernel Message-ID: <1142720204.22684.12.camel@server1.cisna> Petre, I run into the same problem you are having with your HP's many moons ago. After many minutes/hours, ugh ,trying to get some of these older HP's to work, with the native,onboard nics im relatively certain, that it is something to do with the HP Bios in these older boxes are not flexible enough to do IRQ sharing correctly at BIOS level ,hence the ethernet cards start/try to work but then runs out of IRQ allocation when they actually start to bootup causing the cards to get stupid and chokes. I do remeber messing with every conceviable setting in the bios changing things,just trying to see if i could get these old machines to work with the builtin nics. No Joy. Best bet is just to buy $5 realtek8139 nic's and stuff one in each one of these box's and save yourself a lot of time and frustration. As I remeber you cant even disable the onboard nic in the bios settings but realtek pci nics should operate corrctly in these machines.I guess its the old "been there done that" deal. Take Care, Barry Cisna From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Mar 19 01:23:38 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:23:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NELS flyer posted on the site Message-ID: Hi all, Hope this finds you well and anticipating springtime (Tuesday!). Matt and I are both speaking at a conference in Massachussetts on Monday and we felt that it was time for us to put together a flyer to better show what NELS (Northeast Linux Symposium) is all about! Some of you have also asked us for a brochure of some sort to show your staff members and so forth. This is our first try at a flyer and we welcome your feedback :-) You can download the flyer on the NELS site at http://www.nelinux.net (it's in PDF format)...or if you happen to be at MassCUE on Monday...grab one from us! Reminder to register ASAP for NELS 2006! We hope you can join us this year for what is shaping up to be a very exciting conference! Details are falling into place and we'll have some great sessions for all abilty levels and positions (admins, teachers, netadmins, sysadmins, vendors...etc) Not to mention the fresh Maine and NH air....great accomodations...and fantastic dining experience (seriously the food is awesome!)....and great camaraderie! Sign up as soon as you can (even if you don't have a PO number yet....you can send that later) so we can get an accurate count (and so we can move forward with the planning). Sign up at http://www.nelinux.net (if you have any problems...email me at dtrask at vcsvikings.org ) *we've moved some things around so there are some name resolution issues (DNS) that may be lingering, but we think we have them licked* Sign up at http://www.nelinux.net David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ssanders at coin.org Sun Mar 19 10:14:39 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 04:14:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Brodcasting to Wireless 2.4 connections... In-Reply-To: <200603161949.k2GJn26W010371@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603161949.k2GJn26W010371@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1142763279.10289.21.camel@bofh.ltsp> On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 12:46 -0600, ATM Logic wrote: > I have an Idea to use the K12LTSP in a community of about 200 or so PPL that > currantly have no internet. I want to setup a K12LT and then start passing > out the wireless cards and CD's or even preconfigured thin clients that can > somehow hook to the wireless network for booting. > > Anyone have any thoughts on this? Booting over 802.11x can work, but probably not for 200 clients. I do this on my home network, but it is shared bandwidth on wireless. A 100 foot tower requires it's own set of problems to work out. You cannot run feedline/coax on 2.4 ghz for 100+ feet without reducing the effective radiated power by a factor of a zillion (or so). Putting the radio at the top of the tower will reduce this problem, it's easy to run Cat5 to the radio and have a few feet of feedline/coax. Look around at the guys who do this type of thing for ideas: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/wisp From drloomis at cox-internet.com Sun Mar 19 14:19:25 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:19:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Motherboard Recommendation Message-ID: <441D686D.8010002@cox-internet.com> I have been using a Tyan S2460 with dual Athlon-MP 1600s as server for our computer lab for about 5 years. Lately, it is begun to overheat and lock up at random. It may be time to consider replacement of the motherboard with a newer model. I would probably reuse the existing Antec 1040 server case, perhaps adding a new PS and replacing the old 36gb SCSI HD with a new one. The old PC2100 memory would probably have to go as well. I already have an Adaptec 29160 SCSI card. As I ponder such a scenario, looking at the bewildering array of MB choices available I am feeling a bit overwhelmed. Should I consider another dual-cpu MB or can the new dual-core models provide equivalent capacity for handling multiple clients/processes. Our lab supports twelve clients now, but more may be added in the near future. At present, cpus in the 2.8ghz range seem to be attractively priced while providing more than adequate processing power. The architecture choices all seem to be mostly 64bit now, although the server would most likely run in 32bit mode for the near future. I am open to suggestions based on actual, hands-on experience with some of the newer motherboards currently available. I am not looking for the latest and greatest . . . just something stable and dependabld with decent performance running Tuxtype, wordprocessing, gimp and web surfing. Dan From computoman at yahoo.com Sun Mar 19 17:19:58 2006 From: computoman at yahoo.com (Eddie) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:19:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] client login oicture Message-ID: <20060319171958.75833.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com> I am sure it is relly easy, but is there any way to change the picture on the client graphical login? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun Mar 19 17:28:03 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:28:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] client login oicture In-Reply-To: <20060319171958.75833.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060319171958.75833.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <441D94A3.4080905@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Eddie wrote: > I am sure it is relly easy, but is there any way to > change the picture on the client graphical login? If you switch the login manager to KDM, it's rather easy from the KDE Control Center: click on System Administration, then Login Manager, and click on the Administrator Mode button to obtain root privs for the module. There are options to change the background image, logo, and even the text that users are presented with. Cheers, Mike From dhhoward at comcast.net Sun Mar 19 17:30:03 2006 From: dhhoward at comcast.net (Daniel Howard) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:30:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 25, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <20060319170023.301F473C9D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060319170023.301F473C9D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <441D951B.1030200@comcast.net> We use Accel. Reader, Accel. Math, Star Reader, and Star Math, all purely web based, and we pay RenLearn to host the server so we don't have to mess with it. William can tell you all the details, only issue I know we had is the fact that you have to install Adobe Reader and Macromedia Flash Player on the LTSP servers. Accel. Math can also be done on screen now without need for the scanners (and associated Windows S/W), although you still have to print out the tests for students to work out with pencil on paper, and then they click the multiple choice answers on screen. Now if we could just get Macromedia to do a Linux plugin for Shockwave, which several educational websites use... Can this group mount a mass request to Macromedia? Daniel > Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:00:15 -0600 > From: Burke Almquist > Subject: Re: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Question on school software.. > > That's the advantage of the newer web-based versions of RenLearn's stuff. You still need a windows server, but at least you don't need to buy CALs and TSCALS if the RenLearn stuff is your only windows bound application. > > On Mar 17, 2006, at 6:45 PM, Sharon Betts wrote: > >> We did the same thing -- but I sure hated those Windows terminal CALs that I had to buy. UGH. Sharon >> >> jhansknecht at hanstech.com on Friday, March 17, 2006 at 6:59 PM -0500 wrote: >> >>> Hi George, >>> I setup a Windows 2003 terminal server. The K12LTSP clients can use >>> rdesktop to connect and run a windows terminal solution, then I run Accelarated Reader from there. >>> From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun Mar 19 18:49:36 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:49:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Support for a KDE-centric branch? Message-ID: <441DA7C0.6090102@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Hello list, A lot of the questions I see in here have to do with issues of customizing or locking down various aspects of the desktop, login manager, etc. The sad fact is that Gnome is *terrible* where this is concerned - the basic Gnome philosophy seems to be that reduction of complexity is always a positive outcome. While this may or may not be true for Grandma, it is far from what an LTSP administrator is going to need - one of the great benefits of an LTSP system is that you can make very specific changes on one server and have that change propagate to N number of desktops. My experience over the years is that KDE is a much better fit for deploying LTSP systems in almost any environment, but particularly in K12 labs. With KDE, you get the advantages that the desktop environment provides, while still being able to access GTK based applications, and you'll also have a better file browser and browse dialog and more mature desktop lockdown tools. I'm sure that there are other people in here who feel this way. I'm willing to put in work to create a base distribution for K12 people wishing to deploy LTSP in an easy fashion, a K12LTSP (KDE Edition) if you will, with all the educational software and ease-of-setup gained through the very hard work put in by K12LTSP, and all the advantages of the KDE environment. My idea right now is to use OpenSuSE as the base distribution, as it's currently my hands-down favorite where KDE distros are concerned, although I'd be very willing to do this on Kubuntu, provided a timeline exists to work out some of the quirks in the Ubuntu method of doing LTSP. I'd also want to see what sort of management tools are coming forward - YaST is in the end a very effective and easy tool to learn to use, and so far I haven't seen anything like it out there. The point here is not to copy K12LTSP feature-for-feature, but rather to create a fully-integrated KDE-centric learning environment for LTSP systems that is easy to install, maintain, and use. Where intersections exist in the versions, so much the better, but that's not necessarily the goal of this project. Anyway, how about it? Anyone willing to pitch in with me to help out with packaging and installer? If the distro is to be OpenSuSE, I'm pretty sure the autoinstaller feature in YaST can be used to build ourselves a distro in short order. The tricky bits would be integration of LTSP into the base install, which would involve creation of a YaST module and making sure that gets launched during the install process. Neither of those tasks are terribly difficult. Other important discussion would involve selection of packages, defaults, etc. If this discussion gains any traction, I'll create some web space and various tools (svn, etc) for us to get started on. Let me know. Cheers, Mike Ely From les at futuresource.com Sun Mar 19 19:21:34 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:21:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Motherboard Recommendation In-Reply-To: <441D686D.8010002@cox-internet.com> References: <441D686D.8010002@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <1142796094.21821.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 08:19, Daniel Loomis wrote: > I have been using a Tyan S2460 with dual Athlon-MP 1600s as server for > our computer lab for about 5 years. Lately, it is begun to overheat and > lock up at random. It may be time to consider replacement of the > motherboard with a newer model. If that is the only problem, you might try replacing the CPU fans and maybe the power supply first. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Mar 19 19:34:44 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:34:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Support for a KDE-centric branch? In-Reply-To: <441DA7C0.6090102@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <441DA7C0.6090102@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1142796885.4071.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mike, I personally like Gnome. I started out with KDE but now prefer Gnome. To each his or her own as they say. However, instead of trying to make a KDE centric LTSP distro, after you install K12LTSP just set the DefaultSession to KDE... Second, KDE has a larger footprint then Gnome traditionally because of the extra eye candy so it will require more from a sysadmin's server. Users that are limited might not want to go to KDE. If you're really stretched thin server wise use IceWM (least favorite for me, but again to each his or her own). I guess I am saying this, I don't personally see the point in creating K12LTSP (or a distro like it) that just has KDE on it when after you install K12LTSP you can just change the DefaultSession to KDE...You know what I mean? By no means is this meant to discourage you, it's just my look on the idea. On your side, there is Edubuntu which is just like K12LTSP but on the Ubuntu distro with the Gnome desktop manager. So why not a Kedubuntu (example name) that would hold the KDE desktop manager and serve up LTSP? -Paul On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 10:49 -0800, Mike Ely wrote: > Hello list, > > A lot of the questions I see in here have to do with issues of > customizing or locking down various aspects of the desktop, login > manager, etc. The sad fact is that Gnome is *terrible* where this is > concerned - the basic Gnome philosophy seems to be that reduction of > complexity is always a positive outcome. While this may or may not be > true for Grandma, it is far from what an LTSP administrator is going to > need - one of the great benefits of an LTSP system is that you can make > very specific changes on one server and have that change propagate to N > number of desktops. > > My experience over the years is that KDE is a much better fit for > deploying LTSP systems in almost any environment, but particularly in > K12 labs. With KDE, you get the advantages that the desktop environment > provides, while still being able to access GTK based applications, and > you'll also have a better file browser and browse dialog and more mature > desktop lockdown tools. > > I'm sure that there are other people in here who feel this way. I'm > willing to put in work to create a base distribution for K12 people > wishing to deploy LTSP in an easy fashion, a K12LTSP (KDE Edition) if > you will, with all the educational software and ease-of-setup gained > through the very hard work put in by K12LTSP, and all the advantages of > the KDE environment. > > My idea right now is to use OpenSuSE as the base distribution, as it's > currently my hands-down favorite where KDE distros are concerned, > although I'd be very willing to do this on Kubuntu, provided a timeline > exists to work out some of the quirks in the Ubuntu method of doing > LTSP. I'd also want to see what sort of management tools are coming > forward - YaST is in the end a very effective and easy tool to learn to > use, and so far I haven't seen anything like it out there. > > The point here is not to copy K12LTSP feature-for-feature, but rather to > create a fully-integrated KDE-centric learning environment for LTSP > systems that is easy to install, maintain, and use. Where intersections > exist in the versions, so much the better, but that's not necessarily > the goal of this project. > > Anyway, how about it? Anyone willing to pitch in with me to help out > with packaging and installer? If the distro is to be OpenSuSE, I'm > pretty sure the autoinstaller feature in YaST can be used to build > ourselves a distro in short order. The tricky bits would be integration > of LTSP into the base install, which would involve creation of a YaST > module and making sure that gets launched during the install process. > Neither of those tasks are terribly difficult. Other important > discussion would involve selection of packages, defaults, etc. > > If this discussion gains any traction, I'll create some web space and > various tools (svn, etc) for us to get started on. Let me know. > > Cheers, > Mike Ely > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Sun Mar 19 19:40:06 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:40:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] client login oicture In-Reply-To: <441D94A3.4080905@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <20060319171958.75833.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com> <441D94A3.4080905@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1142797205.21821.43.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 11:28, Mike Ely wrote: > > I am sure it is relly easy, but is there any way to > > change the picture on the client graphical login? > If you switch the login manager to KDM, it's rather easy from the KDE > Control Center: click on System Administration, then Login Manager, and > click on the Administrator Mode button to obtain root privs for the > module. There are options to change the background image, logo, and > even the text that users are presented with. Or stick with GDM and run 'gdmconfig' as root. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun Mar 19 20:05:09 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:05:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Support for a KDE-centric branch? In-Reply-To: <1142796885.4071.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <441DA7C0.6090102@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1142796885.4071.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <441DB975.2040103@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Paul, These are all valid points, and allow me to clarify things a bit: First off, the problem with just changing DefaultSession has everything to do with distro: Red Hat, for various reasons, has elected to put their primary focus into developing for Gnome. That means that where any desktop integration exists at all in FC4/RHEL/CentOS/etc, it's going to work better in Gnome. Red Hat has in fact been sharply criticized for the changes it makes to KDE when it distributes it, and I agree with many of these criticisms. As far as the "eye candy" argument, that's not really factual. In the one instance I had where I was thrashing an LTSP server, I simply selected a much simpler but still very attractive window decoration theme (called "Web" if you're interested), and performance jumped back to expected values. Eye candy in KDE is completely controllable, and equivalent effects in both desktops require equivalent resources. Current iterations of Gnome are just as heavy as KDE - so if you're going to run a server that can handle either, might as well work with the one you like more on its own merits. If you aren't able to put the hardware in place to make this happen, then I agree wholeheartedly that IceWM or similar is the way to go. Setting up Edubuntu and installing KDE on it isn't a bad option, although my personal take on it is that it may suffer from some of the same problems here as doing KDE on FC4 - Ubuntu was Gnome to begin with, and although Kubuntu has come a long way, it's not as "finished" in the small details as other KDE distros. Ultimately, I think we're stuck with a distribution problem: the distros have thrown their weight behind either KDE or Gnome, with very few of them being truly agnostic. This makes sense, as it's a lot of work to tie together the pieces of a window manager into a sensible theory of operation, no matter which one you choose. My belief is that a lot of the distros go with Gnome because it provides a lower barrier to entry - you can find a lot more c programmers than c++ programmers, etc. This does not mean Gnome is better or worse than KDE (although Linus Torvalds would disagree on that point, vehemently), just that Gnome is easier to learn to write to. The result is unsurprising: a user interface that was written to scratch the itch of newly-minted coders. Either way, I think KDE has a lot to offer here: kiosktool is mature and has a lot more to it than sabayon, which is fairly new (kiosktool works over the top of an underlying API that is very feature-complete, providing even more control). kdeedu has a rich set of teaching and edutainment tools. The KDE control center is very powerful and provides granular control over the entire desktop environment in a very intuitive and accessible way - set it up side-by-side next to gconf, and see what I mean. And speaking of accessibility, KDE has a very well-developed and mature accessibility toolset integrated right in. I think what I may need to do here is just build an alpha version, and put it out there. People who already prefer KDE aren't going to care about any of the above, as they already agree with me that KDE is better. People who prefer Gnome aren't going to care, either, as they will most likely just think I'm wrong. It's the people who are constantly on this list thrashing about looking for the hidden tool or dialog in Gnome because that's all that is available to them when the fix would be easy and obvious in KDE that I'm trying to help here. Mike Paul VanGundy wrote: > Mike, > > I personally like Gnome. I started out with KDE but now prefer Gnome. To > each his or her own as they say. However, instead of trying to make a > KDE centric LTSP distro, after you install K12LTSP just set the > DefaultSession to KDE... Second, KDE has a larger footprint then Gnome > traditionally because of the extra eye candy so it will require more > from a sysadmin's server. Users that are limited might not want to go to > KDE. If you're really stretched thin server wise use IceWM (least > favorite for me, but again to each his or her own). > > I guess I am saying this, I don't personally see the point in creating > K12LTSP (or a distro like it) that just has KDE on it when after you > install K12LTSP you can just change the DefaultSession to KDE...You know > what I mean? By no means is this meant to discourage you, it's just my > look on the idea. On your side, there is Edubuntu which is just like > K12LTSP but on the Ubuntu distro with the Gnome desktop manager. So why > not a Kedubuntu (example name) that would hold the KDE desktop manager > and serve up LTSP? > > -Paul > > > > On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 10:49 -0800, Mike Ely wrote: >> Hello list, >> >> A lot of the questions I see in here have to do with issues of >> customizing or locking down various aspects of the desktop, login >> manager, etc. The sad fact is that Gnome is *terrible* where this is >> concerned - the basic Gnome philosophy seems to be that reduction of >> complexity is always a positive outcome. While this may or may not be >> true for Grandma, it is far from what an LTSP administrator is going to >> need - one of the great benefits of an LTSP system is that you can make >> very specific changes on one server and have that change propagate to N >> number of desktops. >> >> My experience over the years is that KDE is a much better fit for >> deploying LTSP systems in almost any environment, but particularly in >> K12 labs. With KDE, you get the advantages that the desktop environment >> provides, while still being able to access GTK based applications, and >> you'll also have a better file browser and browse dialog and more mature >> desktop lockdown tools. >> >> I'm sure that there are other people in here who feel this way. I'm >> willing to put in work to create a base distribution for K12 people >> wishing to deploy LTSP in an easy fashion, a K12LTSP (KDE Edition) if >> you will, with all the educational software and ease-of-setup gained >> through the very hard work put in by K12LTSP, and all the advantages of >> the KDE environment. >> >> My idea right now is to use OpenSuSE as the base distribution, as it's >> currently my hands-down favorite where KDE distros are concerned, >> although I'd be very willing to do this on Kubuntu, provided a timeline >> exists to work out some of the quirks in the Ubuntu method of doing >> LTSP. I'd also want to see what sort of management tools are coming >> forward - YaST is in the end a very effective and easy tool to learn to >> use, and so far I haven't seen anything like it out there. >> >> The point here is not to copy K12LTSP feature-for-feature, but rather to >> create a fully-integrated KDE-centric learning environment for LTSP >> systems that is easy to install, maintain, and use. Where intersections >> exist in the versions, so much the better, but that's not necessarily >> the goal of this project. >> >> Anyway, how about it? Anyone willing to pitch in with me to help out >> with packaging and installer? If the distro is to be OpenSuSE, I'm >> pretty sure the autoinstaller feature in YaST can be used to build >> ourselves a distro in short order. The tricky bits would be integration >> of LTSP into the base install, which would involve creation of a YaST >> module and making sure that gets launched during the install process. >> Neither of those tasks are terribly difficult. Other important >> discussion would involve selection of packages, defaults, etc. >> >> If this discussion gains any traction, I'll create some web space and >> various tools (svn, etc) for us to get started on. Let me know. >> >> Cheers, >> Mike Ely >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From atmlogic at kmts.ca Sun Mar 19 22:08:35 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:08:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Brodcasting to Wireless 2.4 connections... In-Reply-To: <1142763279.10289.21.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <200603192237.k2JMblOJ017477@mx3.redhat.com> No worries on the tower, I have all of that sorted out, and yes the radio is at the top.. We have had a signal reach out and touch someone at about 11.4KM so far, and have a permanent link running at 10.2KM on a 900Mhz signal. It's the authentication part that I am looking for mostly. I want users to use the LTSP when they have setup an account, however have Zero use of the signal if they have not. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of ssanders at coin.org Sent: March 19, 2006 4:15 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Brodcasting to Wireless 2.4 connections... On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 12:46 -0600, ATM Logic wrote: > I have an Idea to use the K12LTSP in a community of about 200 or so > PPL that currantly have no internet. I want to setup a K12LT and then > start passing out the wireless cards and CD's or even preconfigured > thin clients that can somehow hook to the wireless network for booting. > > Anyone have any thoughts on this? Booting over 802.11x can work, but probably not for 200 clients. I do this on my home network, but it is shared bandwidth on wireless. A 100 foot tower requires it's own set of problems to work out. You cannot run feedline/coax on 2.4 ghz for 100+ feet without reducing the effective radiated power by a factor of a zillion (or so). Putting the radio at the top of the tower will reduce this problem, it's easy to run Cat5 to the radio and have a few feet of feedline/coax. Look around at the guys who do this type of thing for ideas: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/wisp _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 20 00:32:38 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:32:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Brodcasting to Wireless 2.4 connections... In-Reply-To: <200603192237.k2JMblOJ017477@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603192237.k2JMblOJ017477@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1142814755.22576.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 16:08, ATM Logic wrote: > No worries on the tower, I have all of that sorted out, and yes the radio is > at the top.. We have had a signal reach out and touch someone at about > 11.4KM so far, and have a permanent link running at 10.2KM on a 900Mhz > signal. It's the authentication part that I am looking for mostly. I want > users to use the LTSP when they have setup an account, however have Zero use > of the signal if they have not. I don't know if this would work for ltsp type connections but I see it mentioned occasionally regarding wireless authentication: http://nocat.net/. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ssanders at coin.org Mon Mar 20 00:54:22 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:54:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Brodcasting to Wireless 2.4 connections... In-Reply-To: <200603192237.k2JMblOJ017477@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603192237.k2JMblOJ017477@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1142816062.2903.5.camel@bofh.ltsp> It's good you have the tower/radio part in place, because that's usually the expensive and physically difficult part! 900mhz is great for burning through trees and has good range, but remember it has a smaller pipe than 2.4ghz which will make it serve less people. LTSP is running the whole desktop, GUI and applications through the network, so I still think that you won't be able to serve 200 people on the bandwidth available. I would suggest joining the WISP forum and check with them. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Mar 20 02:07:12 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:07:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] shockwave on linux Message-ID: <20060319190712.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.065d0eaf0e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> It appears to me that people are able to view shockwave files from Linux. Here is a link that talks about it. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?postid=829025 Hope that helps. I haven't run into any sites that use shockwave, mostly flash which works great. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From atmlogic at kmts.ca Mon Mar 20 03:52:12 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:52:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Brodcasting to Wireless 2.4 connections... In-Reply-To: <1142816062.2903.5.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <200603200454.k2K4sjwj008175@mx1.redhat.com> I agree that I may not be able to serve 200 People at one moment, however I suspect I would never have 200 all at one moment... Much in the same way that the Dialup ISP's "over sell" their lines.. It should all work out, and I suspect I will have a mix of 900Mhz, 2.4, and Some 5G The perk of the 2.4 is the price. If it all comes together, I may also use the 5G as a backhaul line to clusters of homes. I really want to make use of the NoCat.net's NoCatAuth and NoCatSplash... But I think I have a good handful of ideas to get sorted out and... Perhaps when the weather is nice I may be ready to get things up the tower :) As a perk I have a nice tower right in my own back yard to play/test with. If I can get something working I will let the list know... I think I am going for a bit of a mix of. IP Cop with Cop+ M0n0 Wall or NoCat with NoCatAuth and NoCatSplash Then one or More K12LTSP boxes depending on the login. Thanks for the inputs, a few Ideas have been almost Exactly what I am looking for... I would be working on it right now, but I have a MS Box that is fairly mshosed (Raid5 that 'lost' its partitions...) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of ssanders at coin.org Sent: March 19, 2006 6:54 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Brodcasting to Wireless 2.4 connections... It's good you have the tower/radio part in place, because that's usually the expensive and physically difficult part! 900mhz is great for burning through trees and has good range, but remember it has a smaller pipe than 2.4ghz which will make it serve less people. LTSP is running the whole desktop, GUI and applications through the network, so I still think that you won't be able to serve 200 people on the bandwidth available. I would suggest joining the WISP forum and check with them. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From thepiano at telenet.be Mon Mar 20 10:13:00 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:13:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Local cdrom Message-ID: <6B85331C-7511-4AA6-A2BA-5EB2960E9B28@telenet.be> Hello, I'm having trouble to access a local cdrom drive in my clients. I'm using the automounnt methode, with the two LDA-Automount scripts. Strange thing: I can access my floppy drive and use any file on the disk. But when trying to use the cdromdrive, it just starts spinning for 3 secs or so, but nothing happens. Any idea? Hanne From fhkms at adelphia.net Mon Mar 20 14:00:55 2006 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (fhkms at adelphia.net) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 9:00:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] anonymous surfing/IM Message-ID: <16342135.1142863255232.JavaMail.root@web15> I would like to set up our network so that our ip address is not shown. I would like this to be with viewing websites, and with Gaim. How do I do this. I have a k12ltsp network, that runs through ipcop with Dansguardian. I also have stand alone windows computers and fedora core 4 computer on the lan. Thanks! From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 20 15:03:13 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:03:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] client login oicture In-Reply-To: <1142797205.21821.43.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20060319171958.75833.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com> <441D94A3.4080905@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1142797205.21821.43.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <441EC431.7070202@maltzen.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 11:28, Mike Ely wrote: >>> I am sure it is relly easy, but is there any way to >>> change the picture on the client graphical login? > >> If you switch the login manager to KDM, it's rather easy from the KDE >> Control Center: click on System Administration, then Login Manager, and >> click on the Administrator Mode button to obtain root privs for the >> module. There are options to change the background image, logo, and >> even the text that users are presented with. > > Or stick with GDM and run 'gdmconfig' as root. > ...which can be accessed via the Desktop/System Settings/Login Screen menu. From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 20 15:18:15 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:18:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] anonymous surfing/IM In-Reply-To: <16342135.1142863255232.JavaMail.root@web15> References: <16342135.1142863255232.JavaMail.root@web15> Message-ID: <441EC7B7.6090107@maltzen.net> Assuming you are talking about hiding the public address that all your computers use via NAT, you can't--how would webservers know where to send the files you request if your public address isn't contained in the request? Now you could setup a VPN tunnel from your site to another address which then acts as a proxy and sends your requests out to the requested sites. If you google for 'anonymizer' you'll find some services that provide similar proxying. But I'm not sure how you'd set that up system-wide. It that seems like a lot of fussing for not much gain. What is it you're really trying to accomplish? fhkms at adelphia.net wrote: > I would like to set up our network so that our ip address is not shown. I would like this to be with viewing websites, and with Gaim. How do I do this. I have a k12ltsp network, that runs through ipcop with Dansguardian. I also have stand alone windows computers and fedora core 4 computer on the lan. Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From fhkms at adelphia.net Mon Mar 20 15:29:03 2006 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (fhkms at adelphia.net) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:29:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] anonymous surfing/IM Message-ID: <9627855.1142868543473.JavaMail.root@web15> I'd like to use Gaim for yahoo messenger, and surf the net, without my ip address being broadcasted out in cyberland. This is done from a standalone fedora core 4 laptop on my desk. the kids use k12, and everything goes through ipcop. I believe I use a proxy with Ipcop now. But, how can I hide my ip address from adelphia? From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Mar 20 16:49:06 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:49:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 5 Released Message-ID: <1142873346.28656.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, Just an FYI, Fedora Core 5 has been released. -Paul From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Mar 20 17:10:25 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:10:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] anonymous surfing/IM In-Reply-To: <9627855.1142868543473.JavaMail.root@web15> References: <9627855.1142868543473.JavaMail.root@web15> Message-ID: It is my understanding that no matter what you do, your ultimate connection to the Internet has a number and that number will be out on the web. Not your computer (unless you have a public IP address on it) but actually your router's "WAN" or outside connection. I use GAIM at home ( and sometimes at school for tech support purposes) because it will talk all the popular protocols and never once has anyone been able to get to my computer with anything other than my router's WAN address and then only specific ports are allowed through it. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 fhkms at adelphia.net wrote: > I'd like to use Gaim for yahoo messenger, and surf the net, without my ip address being broadcasted out in cyberland. This is done from a standalone fedora core 4 laptop on my desk. the kids use k12, and everything goes through ipcop. I believe I use a proxy with Ipcop now. But, how can I hide my ip address from adelphia? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 20 17:11:39 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:11:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 5 Released In-Reply-To: <1142873346.28656.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1142873346.28656.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <441EE24B.6080507@maltzen.net> Saw this in the release notes: "GNOME 2.12 has removed the terminal option from the desktop context menu. nautilus-open-terminal in Fedora Extras repository provides a enhanced replacement for those who require it." Do I understand this correctly, that there isn't a terminal app in Gnome's menu anymore? That seems hard to believe, so I must be mistaken. The notes then describe using yum to install nautilus-open-terminal. But...how does one use yum without a terminal? Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > Just an FYI, Fedora Core 5 has been released. > > -Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Mar 20 17:15:44 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:15:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 5 Released In-Reply-To: <441EE24B.6080507@maltzen.net> References: <1142873346.28656.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <441EE24B.6080507@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1142874944.29567.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Petre, Yum extender. -Paul On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 11:11 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > Saw this in the release notes: > > "GNOME 2.12 has removed the terminal option from the desktop context menu. > nautilus-open-terminal in Fedora Extras repository provides a enhanced replacement for > those who require it." > > Do I understand this correctly, that there isn't a terminal app in Gnome's menu anymore? > That seems hard to believe, so I must be mistaken. The notes then describe using yum > to install nautilus-open-terminal. But...how does one use yum without a terminal? > > Paul VanGundy wrote: > > All, > > > > Just an FYI, Fedora Core 5 has been released. > > > > -Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Mon Mar 20 17:23:48 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:23:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 5 Released In-Reply-To: <441EE24B.6080507@maltzen.net> References: <1142873346.28656.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <441EE24B.6080507@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1142875429.3464.7.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 11:11 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > Saw this in the release notes: > > "GNOME 2.12 has removed the terminal option from the desktop context menu. > nautilus-open-terminal in Fedora Extras repository provides a enhanced replacement for > those who require it." > > Do I understand this correctly, that there isn't a terminal app in Gnome's menu anymore? > That seems hard to believe, so I must be mistaken. The notes then describe using yum > to install nautilus-open-terminal. But...how does one use yum without a terminal? > No. There is no longer a terminal entry in the right-click-on-desktop menu. There *is* a terminal entry in the main menus. If it is the same as FC4, it's Applications::System Tools::Terminal. I usually create a panel button for this anyway. Additionally, there is a nautilus plugin in Fedora Extras (nautilus-actions) that allows you to add a nautilus-right-click-menu entry for the terminal or any other program. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 20 17:26:13 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:26:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 5 Released In-Reply-To: <441EE24B.6080507@maltzen.net> References: <1142873346.28656.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <441EE24B.6080507@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <441EE5B5.4000508@mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > "GNOME 2.12 has removed the terminal option from the desktop context > menu. nautilus-open-terminal in Fedora Extras repository provides a > enhanced replacement for those who require it." The new GNOME release is 2.14. > Do I understand this correctly, that there isn't a terminal app in > Gnome's menu anymore? That seems hard to believe, so I must be > mistaken. The notes then describe using yum to install > nautilus-open-terminal. But...how does one use yum without a terminal? It's still available via Applications/Accessories/Terminal. It's just no longer in the Nautilus right-click menu. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 20 17:29:08 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:29:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 5 Released In-Reply-To: <1142874944.29567.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1142873346.28656.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <441EE24B.6080507@maltzen.net> <1142874944.29567.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <441EE664.2040803@maltzen.net> Oh, I know that yum is accessible from the menus. One thing I left out from the notes is that the instructions for installing the terminal are shown like this: You can install it using the following command: yum install nautilus-open-terminal So, the notes suggest using a command-line to install a command-line. Perhaps this is one of those recursive programmer jokes. Humor aside, I question the wisdom of not including a terminal by default in a Unix-like system as I think most people would expect one without needing to manually install it. But perhaps I'm just old fashioned. Paul VanGundy wrote: > Petre, > > Yum extender. > > -Paul > > On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 11:11 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: >> Saw this in the release notes: >> >> "GNOME 2.12 has removed the terminal option from the desktop context menu. >> nautilus-open-terminal in Fedora Extras repository provides a enhanced replacement for >> those who require it." >> >> Do I understand this correctly, that there isn't a terminal app in Gnome's menu anymore? >> That seems hard to believe, so I must be mistaken. The notes then describe using yum >> to install nautilus-open-terminal. But...how does one use yum without a terminal? >> >> Paul VanGundy wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> Just an FYI, Fedora Core 5 has been released. >>> >>> -Paul >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 20 17:36:07 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:36:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 5 Released In-Reply-To: <1142875429.3464.7.camel@localhost> References: <1142873346.28656.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <441EE24B.6080507@maltzen.net> <1142875429.3464.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <441EE807.4030706@maltzen.net> Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 11:11 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: >> Saw this in the release notes: >> >> "GNOME 2.12 has removed the terminal option from the desktop context menu. >> nautilus-open-terminal in Fedora Extras repository provides a enhanced replacement for >> those who require it." >> >> Do I understand this correctly, that there isn't a terminal app in Gnome's menu anymore? >> That seems hard to believe, so I must be mistaken. The notes then describe using yum >> to install nautilus-open-terminal. But...how does one use yum without a terminal? >> > No. > > There is no longer a terminal entry in the right-click-on-desktop menu. > > There *is* a terminal entry in the main menus. If it is the same as > FC4, it's Applications::System Tools::Terminal. I usually create a > panel button for this anyway. > > Additionally, there is a nautilus plugin in Fedora Extras > (nautilus-actions) that allows you to add a nautilus-right-click-menu > entry for the terminal or any other program. > > -Toshio Okay, that makes more sense. I never use the right-click-menu to start a terminal; like you, I create a panel button for it. See, I knew I was misunderstanding what the notes said. ;-) Thanks for the clarification. Petre From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 20 18:50:45 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:50:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 5 Released In-Reply-To: <1142875429.3464.7.camel@localhost> References: <1142873346.28656.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <441EE24B.6080507@maltzen.net> <1142875429.3464.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1142880645.22238.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 11:23, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > There is no longer a terminal entry in the right-click-on-desktop menu. > > There *is* a terminal entry in the main menus. If it is the same as > FC4, it's Applications::System Tools::Terminal. I usually create a > panel button for this anyway. You can just drag the menu item onto the desktop or quick launch panel or both. > Additionally, there is a nautilus plugin in Fedora Extras > (nautilus-actions) that allows you to add a nautilus-right-click-menu > entry for the terminal or any other program. I hope they've modified it so that it starts in current directory for the nautilus window. It never made much sense to have graphical navigation without the ability to give commands after you get there. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 19:52:04 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:52:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: "press enter to login" In-Reply-To: <1142612210.4806.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <81e6a9bf0603141834l1fa54fd1u84b0193433a8e9f0@mail.gmail.com> <81e6a9bf0603161237o63ec876dlae3b4ad7d9de2163@mail.gmail.com> <1142546276.9211.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1142549267.9211.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <81e6a9bf0603170546l2267c0vd26822efc313cae8@mail.gmail.com> <1142612210.4806.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603201152r6b3948aaqa9a275b2afa4ab81@mail.gmail.com> I'm using version 4.1.1 K12LTSP I'm having some trouble getting the Citrix client to come up properly. I used the script you sent Gideon but I get nothing by the "gray sceen" I can see that X is coming up ok but where can I look to get more information about what is going wrong? I can look in the /tmp/info directory on the terminal but there is not much in there. What I'd really like to see is a file someplace that tells me what was executed at the end of this whole process. Here is a copy of my citrix-screen file: #!/bin/sh # # citrix # # citrix screen script for the linux terminal server project. # This script lives in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screen.d directory # # Call it through lts.conf with the `SCREEN_xx = citrix` option. # # You can pass options to citrix 2 different ways. # # 1) Place all of the options you want after the 'citrix' setting # on the screen_script. # # For example: # # SCREEN_01 = citrix -u jam w2kserver.ltsp.org # # # 2) Place the citrix options in the CITRIX_OPTIONS option # and the name or IP address of the rdp server in # the CITRIX_SERVER option. # # For example: # # CITRIX_OPTIONS = "-f -u jam" # CITRIX_SERVER = w2kserver.ltsp.org # SCREEN_01 = citrix # PATH=/bin:$PATH; export PATH . /etc/ltsp_functions # # Get the lts.conf entries # eval `/bin/getltscfg -a` CITRIX_OPTIONS=${CITRIX_OPTIONS:-""} reg_info CITRIX_SERVER reg_info CITRIX_OPTIONS TTY=`/usr/bin/basename \`/usr/bin/tty\`` XFCFG=/tmp/XF86Config.${TTY} export TTY CITRIX_OPTIONS="${CITRIX_OPTIONS} $* ${CITRIX_SERVER}" # # Setup the DISP variable # export DISP=:$(expr ${TTY} - 1).0 ################################################################################ # # Setup the XF86Config file # XSERVER=${XSERVER:-"auto"} if [ "${XSERVER}" = "auto" ]; then echo "Scanning for video card" XSERVER=`/sbin/pci_scan /etc/vidlist` if [ -z "${XSERVER}" ]; then echo echo " ERROR: Auto probe of the video card failed !" echo " You need to specify the proper X server in lts.conf" echo echo -n "Press to continue " read CMD exit 1 fi fi if [ "${XSERVER}" = "i810" ]; then if [ ! -f /tmp/i810_loaded ]; then modprobe agpgart >/tmp/i810_loaded fi fi if [ ! -z "${XF86CONFIG_FILE}" ]; then # # If XF86CONFIG_FILE is defined in the lts.conf file, then # it points to an XF86Config file that is pre-made for a workstation # if [ -f /etc/${XF86CONFIG_FILE} ]; then cp /etc/${XF86CONFIG_FILE} ${XFCFG} else echo echo "Error! - ${XF86CONFIG_FILE} - File not found!" echo fi else # # Build the XF86Config file from entries in the lts.conf file # If it starts with 'XF86_', then we use XFree86 3.3.6. Otherwise, # we use Xorg # case ${XSERVER} in XF86_*) /etc/build_x3_cfg ${XSERVER} >${XFCFG} ;; *) /etc/build_x4_cfg ${XSERVER} >${XFCFG} ;; esac fi ################################################################################ # # Figure out how to run the X server # case ${XSERVER} in XF86_*) XBINARY="${XSERVER}" XOPTS="" ;; Xvesa) XBINARY="Xvesa" case "${X_MODE_0}" in 1280x1024) XOPTS="-shadow -mode 0x011A" ;; 1024x768) XOPTS="-shadow -mode 0x0117" ;; 800x600) XOPTS="-shadow -mode 0x0114" ;; 640x480) XOPTS="-shadow -mode 0x0111" ;; *) XOPTS="-shadow -mode 0x0117" ;; esac ;; *) XBINARY="Xorg" XOPTS="" ;; esac ACCESS_CONTROL=${DISABLE_ACCESS_CONTROL:-"N"} if [ "${ACCESS_CONTROL}" = "Y" ]; then ACC_CTRL="-ac" else ACC_CTRL="" fi clear echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo -n " Press to Login " read if [ -w /proc/progress ]; then /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit /usr/bin/citrix.wrapper \ -log "" \ ${CITRIX_OPTIONS} \ -- /usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY}\ ${DISP} \ -xf86config ${XFCFG} \ vt${TTY} >/dev/null 2>&1 else /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit /usr/bin/citrix.wrapper \ -f "" \ ${CITRIX_OPTIONS} \ -- /usr/X11R6/bin/${XBINARY}\ ${DISP} \ -xf86config ${XFCFG} \ vt${TTY} fi Here is the other relavent file citrix-wrapper: #!/bin/sh while true; do /usr/lib/ICAClient/wfcmgr "$@" done I know the client works because I can execute it manually from the command line on the server. Jack ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 3/17/06, Gideon Romm wrote: > > Jack- > > No problem. If you can, please post your version of K12LTSP, just so > any future person searching these archives with the same problem will be > able to find the solution easier. > > Cheers, > > -Gideon > > On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 08:46 -0500, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > Thanks a bunch. You must have been reading my mind or something > > because I am very interested in these wrapper scripts. I have been > > lucky enough to demo LTSP for the company I work for and I'd like to > > have the ability to launch other applicatons like Citrix for example > > for certain terminals. Some people want Linux, some want a Windows > > terminal server and some want Citrix. LTSP can fit the bill on all of > > these with a few servers and lots of old hardware nobody wants to use. > > > > Thanks again > > Jack > > > > On 3/16/06, Gideon Romm wrote: > > I figured I'd just send them along to the list. > > > > 1. Back up your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screen.d/rdesktop file > > 2. Replace with the attached rdesktop-screen (remember to > > chmod 755) > > 3. place the rdesktop.wrapper file > > in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin (also, > > chmod 755) > > > > Let 'er rip! > > > > -Gideon > > > > PS: Usual caveats about listening to some guy on the listserv > > apply (in > > terms of the computers coming to life and destroying the world > > on > > you...) > > > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 16:57 -0500, Gideon Romm wrote: > > > Jack- > > > > > > This behavior has been changed since LTSP v. 4.1.1 (I'm not > > sure what > > > version you are using). In the latest version of LTSP, a > > wrapper script > > > is called that launches rdesktop again when it dies, so that > > it does not > > > kill the xserver. > > > > > > I can dig up the wrapper script and send it to you if you > > like. Or, if > > > you can, update to the latest version. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -Gideon > > > > > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 15:37 -0500, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > > > Forget it. I now realize that it is nessasary to have > > "press enter to > > > > login" appear so as not to be constantly knocking on a W2k > > terminal > > > > servers door constantly. If a user get a terminal server > > login but > > > > does not do anything for few minutes then the terminal > > server rightly > > > > kicks the user off. when the user it kicked off it would > > be "rude" to > > > > just have the server automatically try and go back to the > > login screen > > > > when nobody was probably at the terminal to begin with. > > > > > > > > On 3/14/06, Jack Palmadesso > > wrote: > > > > I'm demoing LTSP to managment here tommorow. Some > > of the > > > > terminals will go directly to a W2k3 Terminal > > server via the > > > > setting in "lts.conf" That works fine but just > > before X fires > > > > up the terminal prompts the user to "press enter > > to login". > > > > Can I get around this and just have the terminal > > go directly > > > > in? I'm not complaining but it would just be alot > > smoother to > > > > have it bypass that requirement. Anybody have any > > hints for > > > > me on that one? I'll be demoing on 4.4.1 > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > > > www.symbio-technologies.com > > www.thesymbiont.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer > ltsp at symbio-technologies.com > > Support LTSP! 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URL: From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 20 20:31:53 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:31:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 5 Released In-Reply-To: <1142880645.22238.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1142873346.28656.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <441EE24B.6080507@maltzen.net> <1142875429.3464.7.camel@localhost> <1142880645.22238.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <441F1139.6080205@mesd.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 11:23, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >>Additionally, there is a nautilus plugin in Fedora Extras >>(nautilus-actions) that allows you to add a nautilus-right-click-menu >>entry for the terminal or any other program. I found the "Open in Terminal" in nautilus-open-terminal from Extras. > I hope they've modified it so that it starts in current directory > for the nautilus window. It never made much sense to have > graphical navigation without the ability to give commands > after you get there. That seems to be how it functions. Right-click in a folder, Open in Terminal, and the pwd is that folder. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 22:16:41 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:16:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] configuring user menu's under icewm and gnome Message-ID: <2be970b50603201416p7202ad03m90f5c2e31a7eca09@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Hopefully an easy question here. I want to give our users just a subset of the available applications, and I want to do this with both IceWm and Gnome. I downloaded and compiled MenuMaker but it didn't go out and create a big list of menu items that I could edit, perhaps I didn't understand what it was supposed to do, or perhaps its too old? 1) where can I edit menu's globally for IceWM. What tool do folks use to query the list of available apps and then selectively make them available. Easy, fast, simple is the preference. 2) Same as above for Gnome. Thanks! John From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 22:20:39 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:20:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] need bootrom/etherboot for Compaq net1/33s In-Reply-To: <441A0AE4.7000704@rogers.com> References: <2be970b50603151109q78f6888i2128e53a527749ea@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50603151403h9117b7cl6e47fa87a5c104a2@mail.gmail.com> <4418BC35.5040604@alltel.net> <2be970b50603160814y5e7f1b30v43e186dd7f3f9b04@mail.gmail.com> <4419952C.2020002@maltzen.net> <2be970b50603160931i73d5a101vc24ba4d58ebd156a@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50603161112l4916ba4dg654e1b130ea5b4a6@mail.gmail.com> <1142538282.16428.146.camel@JohnRuff.Updates4You.com> <2be970b50603161355p6fb15f87m1a21d5a0b58dec4c@mail.gmail.com> <441A0AE4.7000704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50603201420qeeb9f13mf5dc3bdffd87bcf5@mail.gmail.com> HI Timothy, Thanks for the response. I spent a day messing with this and can't afford to spend more time. I'm moving to clients that I know I can boot via PXE. John On 3/16/06, Timothy Legge wrote: > Hi > > Etherboot looks for a the card at an io address it doesn't care too much > which address or irq is used as long as the it is not in use by other > hardware. > > My first advice though would be to disable the on board nic if you can. > However, you may want to open up the case and see if you can identify > it. Compaq has used the tlan card but I forget whether the EB tlan > driver supports isa (I did not have one to test). > > If you are able to boot a knoppix cd you may be able to find the on > board nic driver. Otherwise send me a digital pic of the motherboard, I > can often distinguish unmarked nics. > > Tim > > > john wrote: > > Hi Petre and John, > > > > I downloaded the card config tool and messed around trying I/O: > > > > I/O Base: 0300x > > IRQ: 10 > > > > and > > > > I/O Base: 0310x > > IRQ: 11 > > > > no joy, though. > > > > I randomly toggled some other settings (optimize for server, no modem, > > PnP off) but no change in the etherboot message. > > > > Is there a way to find out what I/O address and IRQ the 3C509 > > etherboot image is looking for? Perhaps it's neither of the above? > > > > John > > > > On 3/16/06, John G. Ruff wrote: > > > >>Most ISA cards need to be manually configured. Early ones with jumpers, > >>later ones with DOS software. The program name is 3C5X9CFG.EXE and > >>should be on the diskette that came with the card. It can be downloaded > >>from the 3Com website, probably here: > >> > >>http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/nic/3c509.htm > >> > >>Normal setting are: > >> > >> I/O Base: 0300x > >> IRQ: 10 > >> Cable Type: Auto > >> > >>Which may or not be appropriate in any particular situation. > >> > >>jr > >> > >> > >>On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 11:12 -0800, john wrote: > >> > >>>Hi All, > >>> > >>>Sadly I am not having much luck getting this going. The BIOS on the > >>>Compaq Net1/33S doesn't recognize the 3COM 3C509 (which I sort of > >>>expected since I assume ISA doesn't do PnP), and there doesn't appear > >>>to be a way to assign it an I/O address and an interupt. I don't even > >>>get link on the hub when I plug it in. > >>> > >>>In the hope that the Etherboot CD could provide enough information to > >>>get me going I tried the 3c509 image from a boot floppy but the > >>>message I got was: > >>> > >>>Probing PCI nic > >>>pci_init: no Bios32 detected > >>> > >>>Probing ISA nic > >>>[3x509] > >>> > >>> > >>>Any ideas? > >>> > >>>Thank you for sticking with me on this. > >>> > >>>John > >>> > >>>On 3/16/06, john wrote: > >>> > >>>>Thanks Petre! > >>>> > >>>>The clarification and advice was very helpful. > >>>> > >>>>John > >>>> > >>>>On 3/16/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>I think Tim was trying to say that the 3c515 is the only supported ISA 10/100mb card, > >>>>>since 100mb to the client is usually recommended, and that even then, because of ISA bus > >>>>>limitations, you won't get 100mb. (There weren't many 100mb ISA cards made for just this > >>>>>reason.) You are correct, that Etherlink IIIs will work, but only at 10mb, although that > >>>>>can be adequate as others have said. I still have a few 10mb Etherlink IIIs in use. > >>>>>However, while most switches will drop to 10mb if that's what the NIC speed is, I have > >>>>>found that with later releases of LTSP the terminals/clients have trouble booting when > >>>>>connected this way. As such, if I have 10mb cards in my clients, I make it a point to > >>>>>connect them to a 10mb hub (yes, I still have some of those) which then connects to my > >>>>>main 100mb switch. Plus, I had to put some special settings, courtesy of Jim McQ, into > >>>>>/etc/dhcpd.conf (which you have to do anyway with ISA cards). Here's the relevant chunk > >>>>>from dhcpd.conf: > >>>>> > >>>>>host wendolene { > >>>>> hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; > >>>>> fixed-address 172.26.18.5; > >>>>> filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > >>>>> option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > >>>>> option option-129 "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; > >>>>> } > >>>>> > >>>>>It's the "MOPTS=..." part that is necessary anymore with 10mb clients. HTH > >>>>> > >>>>>Petre > >>>>> > >>>>>john wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>Hi all, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Thanks for the helpful advice! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Tim, It _seems_ like 3COM Etherlink III's are supported in ISA mode. > >>>>>>Am I misunderstanding the list of supported hardware. I have managed > >>>>>>to scare some of those up. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>John > >>>>>> > >>>>>>On 3/15/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> john wrote: > >>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Thanks for your replies. These machines don't have any PCI slots, and > >>>>>>>I haven't dug up any ISA based 3COMs or the like yet. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Chuck I don't understand the bootrom socket advice can you explain > >>>>>>>that to me a bit. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Thanks, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>John > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>On 3/15/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> John: if the card/motherboard has a bootrom socket boot the sucker into > >>>>>>>knoppix-live ubuntu live..dsl live and get a pci id. > >>>>>>>if it has a pci slot free you "may" be able to put a bootroomed card in > >>>>>>>and boot from it..some will boot some wont...chuck > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>>>>For more info see > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>>>>For more info see > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Likely, you can look on that old motherboard and find the chipset for the > >>>>>>>NIC that is on it and get the number and find native drivers for that > >>>>>>>chipset. This isan integrated NIC right? Once you find the chipset, you > >>>>>>>can then go to rom-0-matic and get a bootrom for it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Doug > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>>>>For more info see > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>>>For more info see > >>>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>>For more info see > >>>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From drloomis at cox-internet.com Mon Mar 20 23:35:05 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:35:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Motherboard Recommendation Message-ID: <441F3C29.8060300@cox-internet.com> Mike, Thanks for the suggestions on fixing the old Tyan S2460 server. I changed out the power supply with a new 400w model from Antec, but no help there. I just purchased new heatsinks, fans and a tube of Arctic Silver to install on the old beast. For now I have only been able to keep the server going by removing it from the case and letting it run "naked" i.e. without benefit of case. I would still like to receive recommendations for a new MB. We are talking about doing trying to do some video editing on thin clients and the extra horsepower would be very useful. I have also considered using openmosix to cluster several boxes together for more horsepower. I just don't know if any of the popular video editing suites are multithreaded. Dan From piritarodo at hotmail.com Tue Mar 21 00:57:04 2006 From: piritarodo at hotmail.com (Alejandro Mel) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:57:04 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Program to send messages between terminals Message-ID: Hi guys.... I am lookng for a program for My K12LTSP Red hat Fedora core 4 that enable server/terminals to send simple text messages over the LAN. I would apreciatte your prompt help] Thanks a lot _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en l?nea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.latam.msn.com/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 21 02:02:15 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:02:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Program to send messages between terminals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441F5EA7.5020600@paasda.org> man xmessage --Huck Alejandro Mel wrote: > > Hi guys.... I am lookng for a program for My K12LTSP Red hat Fedora core > 4 that enable server/terminals to send simple text messages over the LAN. > > I would apreciatte your prompt help] > > Thanks a lot > > _________________________________________________________________ > Charla con tus amigos en l?nea mediante MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.latam.msn.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 01:21:43 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:51:43 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] configuring user menu's under icewm and gnome In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603201416p7202ad03m90f5c2e31a7eca09@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603201416p7202ad03m90f5c2e31a7eca09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20603201721r76a77d6bw@mail.gmail.com> On 21/03/06, john wrote: > Hopefully an easy question here. I want to give our users just a > subset of the available applications, and I want to do this with both > IceWm and Gnome. I downloaded and compiled MenuMaker but it didn't go > out and create a big list of menu items that I could edit, perhaps I > didn't understand what it was supposed to do, or perhaps its too old? > > 1) where can I edit menu's globally for IceWM. What tool do folks use > to query the list of available apps and then selectively make them > available. Easy, fast, simple is the preference. To find program paths read $man locate Use locate in combination with grep to find out the program path and name. Edit the menu file of IceWM and add lines to it. Usually this is at /usr/share/icewm/menu The syntax of file is failry easy. Any line that is commented out does not apper in menu. And best of all you do not have to log out and in again to see the effect of changes -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From robark at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 03:23:36 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:23:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] configuring user menu's under icewm and gnome In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603201416p7202ad03m90f5c2e31a7eca09@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603201416p7202ad03m90f5c2e31a7eca09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/20/06, john wrote: > > 1) where can I edit menu's globally for IceWM. What tool do folks use > to query the list of available apps and then selectively make them > available. Easy, fast, simple is the preference. Check out the icewm.org documentation section > > 2) Same as above for Gnome. Sabayon and Pesselus if running FC4 (k12ltsp 4.4.x) or newer . -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 03:48:22 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:48:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Motherboard Recommendation In-Reply-To: <441F3C29.8060300@cox-internet.com> References: <441F3C29.8060300@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: On 3/20/06, Daniel Loomis wrote: > I would still like to receive recommendations for a new MB. We are > talking about doing trying to do some video editing on thin clients and > the extra horsepower would be very useful. I have also considered using I say stick with Tyan. Tyan makes nice dual Opteron boards. Only advice would be to stick with AMD chipsets. Don't know much about the newer combo AMD/Nvidia pci-e chipset Opteron boards from Tyan. The older AMD only chipset based boards are well supported. If you can afford dual core cpu great but personally I don't think they are worth double the cost of a single core. Also, since each cpu has it's own mem controller the 2.6 kernel can take advantage of NUMA. (as long as you don't go dual core). Some of these boards also come with Adaptec dual channel scsi controllers. Although, the nicer LSI scsi controller ones are only on the quad board$ or on the newer nvidia. If you want to go SATA go for an LSI 8x 300 pci-x or a 3ware card. BTW seagate's NL35 line of SATA drives are nice. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 21 04:34:04 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:34:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Motherboard Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <441F3C29.8060300@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <7749D7CE-C7AA-4D73-9610-74B1159C186A@mesd.k12.or.us> On Mar 20, 2006, at 7:48 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/20/06, Daniel Loomis wrote: >> I would still like to receive recommendations for a new MB. We are >> talking about doing trying to do some video editing on thin >> clients and >> the extra horsepower would be very useful. I have also considered >> using > > I say stick with Tyan. Tyan makes nice dual Opteron boards. Only > advice would be to stick with AMD chipsets. Don't know much about the > newer combo AMD/Nvidia pci-e chipset Opteron boards from Tyan. We've got a two-way dual-core Opteron box using the nVidia CK804 (nForce 4, I think) chipset that works just great w/ CentOS 4.2, FWIW. -- Dan Young Technology Services Multnomah ESD From robark at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 06:51:43 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:51:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Motherboard Recommendation In-Reply-To: <7749D7CE-C7AA-4D73-9610-74B1159C186A@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <441F3C29.8060300@cox-internet.com> <7749D7CE-C7AA-4D73-9610-74B1159C186A@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 3/20/06, Dan Young wrote: > We've got a two-way dual-core Opteron box using the nVidia CK804 > (nForce 4, I think) chipset that works just great w/ CentOS 4.2, FWIW. Good to know. I'll bet it's the S2895. Are you using the on-board Nvidia SATA II controller ? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From kovalcik at orion-design.com Tue Mar 21 13:22:06 2006 From: kovalcik at orion-design.com (Thomas Kovalcik) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:22:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base Message-ID: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> Hi, The school I work with wants to provide an email service for parents instead of sending paper home with the kids. They are looking to set up a database of parents email and being able to send mailing out to specific grades/groups (1st, 3rd, chorus, etc.). Has anyone found a good solution for this? Open source is preferred and I would love something that uses Open Office as I still have some MS Office holdouts in the office. Thanks -- Thomas Kovalcik Orion Design Technologies 122 Mast Road Lee, NH 03824 (603)659-9800 x104 kovalcik at orion-design.com From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 13:26:46 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:26:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base In-Reply-To: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> References: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0603210526i5016c71doe657158b52e64d2f@mail.gmail.com> What type of email system do you have now. I am sure it must have some type of mailing list capabilities. You could always consider some other type of distribution. A CMS maybe with logins for parents. When you say use OpenOffice are you referring to the format the documents would be in? I would recommend making them PDF and not worrying about it if so. On 3/21/06, Thomas Kovalcik wrote: > > Hi, > > The school I work with wants to provide an email service for parents > instead of sending paper home with the kids. They are looking to set up > a database of parents email and being able to send mailing out to > specific grades/groups (1st, 3rd, chorus, etc.). Has anyone found a good > solution for this? Open source is preferred and I would love something > that uses Open Office as I still have some MS Office holdouts in the > office. > > Thanks > > -- > Thomas Kovalcik > Orion Design Technologies > 122 Mast Road > Lee, NH 03824 > (603)659-9800 x104 > kovalcik at orion-design.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Mar 21 13:27:36 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:27:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit k12ltsp Firefox fixups Message-ID: <1142947656.332.13.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello List, After doing my first ever install of FC4x86_64 /K12LTSP 4.4.2, I thought i'd report on a couple things that will work in Firefox. I've read so many reports of people not getting Firefox to work with Flash-plugin and java. The version of Firefox that is in the K12LTSP v 4.4.2 distro is the 32 bit version so this is a big plus. The regular install of the common flashplayer v 7 that works fine on 32 bit versions will NOT work,this is a bin file. Also the flash-plugin rpm that has worked on 32 bit k12ltsp will not work either. To get flashplayer installed on 64 bit k12ltsp, simply go to a flash enabled site-- www 123greetings com -- and choose to download the flashplugin this way. After installing simply close Firefox , then reopen it, and you'll have flash working along with sound if you have sound enabled in your lts.conf file. Now to the java part. I installed all of the optional Java packages when i initially installed the OS. After that I tried to install the jre-1.5.0 k12ltsp & the j2re k12ltsp- plugin as i have done in the past. No joy, I got the dependency **ll routine. So I had to get rough and install both of those packages with the "--nodeps" switch", which i do not like to do. There after i done my test of checking if java was working in the web browser by doing webmin then going to file mananger, & wala java is working! Hope this gives some hope that were contemplating installing 64 bit as i wanted to.. Take Care,, Barry Cisna From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 21 13:38:41 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:38:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base In-Reply-To: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> References: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> Message-ID: <1142948321.30051.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 07:22, Thomas Kovalcik wrote: > The school I work with wants to provide an email service for parents > instead of sending paper home with the kids. They are looking to set up > a database of parents email and being able to send mailing out to > specific grades/groups (1st, 3rd, chorus, etc.). Has anyone found a good > solution for this? Open source is preferred and I would love something > that uses Open Office as I still have some MS Office holdouts in the > office. Mailman is probably the most popular list manager, running a lot of internet mail lists including this one, It provides a web interface for management and some user interaction. Click the link at the bottom of this message to see the user side and the link to archived copies. You can specify that only certain addresses may send or that all messages must be approved by the list manager. You probably should stick to plain text messages though, and just use links to a web page if you need images or html because you won't know the capabilities of the user's mailer. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Tue Mar 21 13:40:25 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:40:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base In-Reply-To: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> References: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> Message-ID: <200603210840.25552.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Tuesday March 21 2006 8:22 am, Thomas Kovalcik wrote: > Hi, > > The school I work with wants to provide an email service for parents > instead of sending paper home with the kids. They are looking to set up > a database of parents email and being able to send mailing out to > specific grades/groups (1st, 3rd, chorus, etc.). Has anyone found a good > solution for this? Open source is preferred and I would love something > that uses Open Office as I still have some MS Office holdouts in the > office. > > Thanks > > -- > Thomas Kovalcik > Orion Design Technologies > 122 Mast Road > Lee, NH 03824 > (603)659-9800 x104 > kovalcik at orion-design.com > Why don't you consider a mailing list program. Check Freshmeat (http://freshmeat.net) for lots of possibilities. Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From scott at remc1.org Tue Mar 21 14:11:08 2006 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:11:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base In-Reply-To: <1142948321.30051.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> <1142948321.30051.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4420097C.90700@remc1.org> > Mailman is probably the most popular list manager, I would second Mailman. We use it here for lots of lists, it works great (even on old hardware), and its simple enough for people other than me to maintain the lists. Management of the lists is all web based and straight forward.....Adding/removing addresses is all clicky clicky. From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 21 15:45:12 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:45:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Motherboard Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <441F3C29.8060300@cox-internet.com> <7749D7CE-C7AA-4D73-9610-74B1159C186A@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44201F88.7080405@mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/20/06, Dan Young wrote: > >>We've got a two-way dual-core Opteron box using the nVidia CK804 >>(nForce 4, I think) chipset that works just great w/ CentOS 4.2, FWIW. > > Good to know. I'll bet it's the S2895. Are you using the on-board > Nvidia SATA II controller ? dmidecode says it's an S2892. We're using an LSI MegaRAID SATA 300-8X card. The appropriate kernel module (sata_nv) for the nVidia SATA is present and loads however. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 21 16:07:04 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:07:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base In-Reply-To: <4420097C.90700@remc1.org> References: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> <1142948321.30051.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4420097C.90700@remc1.org> Message-ID: <20060321160645.M67903@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:11:08 -0500, Scott Sherrill wrote > > Mailman is probably the most popular list manager, > I would second Mailman. We use it here for lots of lists, it works > great (even on old hardware), and its simple enough for people other > than me to maintain the lists. Management of the lists is all web > based and straight forward.....Adding/removing addresses is all > clicky clicky. Another vote for mailman. We use it for everything here as well. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Mar 21 16:11:55 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:11:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base In-Reply-To: <4420097C.90700@remc1.org> References: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> <1142948321.30051.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4420097C.90700@remc1.org> Message-ID: <442025CB.4010805@inlandlakes.org> Scott Sherrill wrote: > Management of the lists is all web based > and straight forward.....Adding/removing addresses is all clicky clicky. While I'm a huge fan of mailman too -- sometimes adding lists is a pain in the arse. With my sendmail install, I need to manually add a big list of aliases to my /etc/aliases file and run 'newaliases' before the list will work. Last year, I used postfix (and will again next year!) and it automatically interfaced with it, which was much nicer. The good news is that I don't add lists often, and all the other administration stuff is "clicky clicky" :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From k12ltsp at hermon.net Tue Mar 21 17:16:12 2006 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:16:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Conflicts Message-ID: Hi everyone! We have setup autologins using the KDM at the elementary school, and I've just discovered that the DHCP server is providing multiple IP's to different boxes! Here's what we did: In the K-3 classrooms, since students don't have their own accounts yet, we created accounts specific for each terminal. Then, we setup autologin for the terminals in the KDMRC file as such: [X-ws104.ltsp:0-Core] AutoLoginEnable=true AutoLoginUser=room6b NoPassEnable=true NoPassUsers=room6b Next, we made a special entry for the Mac address of the terminal into the dhcpd file as such: host ws104 { hardware ethernet 00:50:8B:4E:72:1F; fixed-address 192.168.0.104; } Then, we restarted dhcpd and at least for a few weeks, we didn't notice any problems until a few days ago. Now, terminals are freezing up in random locations. It appears that the DHCP server provided a reserved IP address to one of the terminals. Here is the result: (From IFCONFIG): HWaddr: 00:06:25:05:A4:D9 inet addr: 192.168.0.104 Does anyone know what we are doing wrong and how we can fix this? Thanks! Alan Hermon School Department From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 21 17:27:52 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:27:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base In-Reply-To: <442025CB.4010805@inlandlakes.org> References: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> <1142948321.30051.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4420097C.90700@remc1.org> <442025CB.4010805@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1142962071.9474.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 10:11, Shawn Powers wrote: > Scott Sherrill wrote: > > Management of the lists is all web based > > and straight forward.....Adding/removing addresses is all clicky clicky. > > While I'm a huge fan of mailman too -- sometimes adding lists is a pain > in the arse. With my sendmail install, I need to manually add a big > list of aliases to my /etc/aliases file and run 'newaliases' before the > list will work. It's only a problem if you aren't used to command lines and editing config files. The trick is to run the command to add the new list in one window while you edit /etc/aliases in another. Then just copy/paste the entries the command generates into the other window with a highlight/middle-click. There is also a webmin module at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=50590 but I haven't tried it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From edward at netday.org.za Tue Mar 21 17:32:16 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:32:16 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Conflicts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan Did you make sure you adjusted your bootp range in dhcpd.conf to exclude the fixed addresses that you used? ed On 21 Mar 2006, at 7:16 PM, k12ltsp wrote: > Hi everyone! > > We have setup autologins using the KDM at the elementary school, > and I've > just discovered that the DHCP server is providing multiple IP's to > different boxes! > > Here's what we did: > > In the K-3 classrooms, since students don't have their own accounts > yet, > we created accounts specific for each terminal. Then, we setup > autologin > for the terminals in the KDMRC file as such: > > [X-ws104.ltsp:0-Core] > AutoLoginEnable=true > AutoLoginUser=room6b > NoPassEnable=true > NoPassUsers=room6b > > Next, we made a special entry for the Mac address of the terminal > into the > dhcpd file as such: > > host ws104 { > hardware ethernet 00:50:8B:4E:72:1F; > fixed-address 192.168.0.104; > } > > Then, we restarted dhcpd and at least for a few weeks, we didn't > notice > any problems until a few days ago. Now, terminals are freezing up in > random locations. It appears that the DHCP server provided a > reserved IP > address to one of the terminals. Here is the result: > > (From IFCONFIG): > HWaddr: 00:06:25:05:A4:D9 > inet addr: 192.168.0.104 > > Does anyone know what we are doing wrong and how we can fix this? > > Thanks! > Alan > Hermon School Department > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2423 bytes Desc: not available URL: From k12ltsp at hermon.net Tue Mar 21 18:01:57 2006 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:01:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Problems Message-ID: Hi Ed! I figured it out. Your'e right. I just noticed that there is an excluded range from 1 to 100 in the block that I didn't use. I am starting to configure all the terminals with reservations to use IP's within this block. Thanks again! From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 21 18:46:54 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:46:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base In-Reply-To: <1142962071.9474.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> <1142948321.30051.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4420097C.90700@remc1.org> <442025CB.4010805@inlandlakes.org> <1142962071.9474.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20060321184340.M60134@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:27:52 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote > On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 10:11, Shawn Powers wrote: > > Scott Sherrill wrote: > > > Management of the lists is all web based > > > and straight forward.....Adding/removing addresses is all clicky clicky. > > > > While I'm a huge fan of mailman too -- sometimes adding lists is a pain > > in the arse. With my sendmail install, I need to manually add a big > > list of aliases to my /etc/aliases file and run 'newaliases' before the > > list will work. > > It's only a problem if you aren't used to command lines and > editing config files. The trick is to run the command to add > the new list in one window while you edit /etc/aliases in > another. Then just copy/paste the entries the command generates > into the other window with a highlight/middle-click. I simply run the newlist command in the command line. Then use the Mailman web administration to manage settings and copy/paste subscribers. Once you get the hang of it things are very smooth. However I do keep a separate database of subscribers currently as well, then I run queries to generate the lists to paste in the the web side. I only do this because of other information I need to keep track of. Eventually I would like to move to a link on the website that shows a list of possible mailing lists to join for our school and leave it up to the parents to join themselves taking us completely out of the loop. Mailman makes this approach possible. Then there is no interaction required on the administrators side other than moderation. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mpribik at zoznam.sk Tue Mar 21 19:48:01 2006 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:48:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base References: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> Message-ID: <003b01c64d20$5ee53650$0500a8c0@Marian> Openwebmail is very useful with nice graphic user interface and is Open source. http://openwebmail.org Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Kovalcik" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base > Hi, > > The school I work with wants to provide an email service for parents > instead of sending paper home with the kids. They are looking to set up > a database of parents email and being able to send mailing out to > specific grades/groups (1st, 3rd, chorus, etc.). Has anyone found a good > solution for this? Open source is preferred and I would love something > that uses Open Office as I still have some MS Office holdouts in the > office. > > Thanks > > -- > Thomas Kovalcik > Orion Design Technologies > 122 Mast Road > Lee, NH 03824 > (603)659-9800 x104 > kovalcik at orion-design.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mr_usa_ron at yahoo.com Tue Mar 21 19:48:07 2006 From: mr_usa_ron at yahoo.com (ron kiani) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:48:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Is there any easy how to manual for server and terminal available? In-Reply-To: <1142538282.16428.146.camel@JohnRuff.Updates4You.com> Message-ID: <20060321194807.45259.qmail@web52313.mail.yahoo.com> I am having such a hard time in getting the K12LTSP working. I have finally downloaded and installed the main server. Now the instructions in LTSP project for setting up the terminal are quite confusing to me and I am not sure if there is a direct step by step method for setting up a workstation is available. I want to use a CD boot method and not sure what to do next. I have struggled thorugh the installation of the server and couldn't even find any documentation for it either. Please help stir me in the right direction as I am so lost here :(. Thanks a bunch. Ron ======================================================================== All information, project design and details provided or disclosed to the subcontractor, partner, reseller and or the third party vendor are confidential and are the property of InfoWire Business Solution. This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. 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I assume that support for tcp_wrappers was built into the rpm package but I don't know how to check this, the binary has been stripped of comments. I don't have any way to start and stop xinetd as a service since its not linked from /etc/init.d/ can anyone set me straight here? When I do /etc/init.d/vsftpd start i get a message saying ok then when I do /etc/init.d/vsftpd status I get: /etc/init.d/vsftpd status vsftpd dead but subsys locked Your help is greatly appreciated. -------- Here's my /etc/xinetd.d/vsftpd file default: on # description: The vsftpd FTP server serves FTP connections. It uses \ # normal, unencrypted usernames and passwords for authentication. service ftp { disable = no socket_type = stream wait = no user = root server = /usr/sbin/vsftpd nice = 10 } and here's my vsftpd.conf file # Allow anonymous FTP? (Beware - allowed by default if you comment this out). anonymous_enable=NO # # Uncomment this to allow local users to log in. local_enable=YES # # Uncomment this to enable any form of FTP write command. write_enable=YES # # Default umask for local users is 077. You may wish to change this to 022, # if your users expect that (022 is used by most other ftpd's) local_umask=022 # # Uncomment this to allow the anonymous FTP user to upload files. This only # has an effect if the above global write enable is activated. Also, you will # obviously need to create a directory writable by the FTP user. #anon_upload_enable=YES # # Uncomment this if you want the anonymous FTP user to be able to create # new directories. #anon_mkdir_write_enable=YES # # Activate directory messages - messages given to remote users when they # go into a certain directory. dirmessage_enable=YES # # Activate logging of uploads/downloads. xferlog_enable=YES # # Make sure PORT transfer connections originate from port 20 (ftp-data). connect_from_port_20=YES # # If you want, you can arrange for uploaded anonymous files to be owned by # a different user. Note! Using "root" for uploaded files is not # recommended! #chown_uploads=YES #chown_username=whoever # # You may override where the log file goes if you like. The default is shown # below. #xferlog_file=/var/log/vsftpd.log # # If you want, you can have your log file in standard ftpd xferlog format xferlog_std_format=YES # # You may change the default value for timing out an idle session. #idle_session_timeout=600 # # You may change the default value for timing out a data connection. #data_connection_timeout=120 # # It is recommended that you define on your system a unique user which the # ftp server can use as a totally isolated and unprivileged user. #nopriv_user=ftpsecure # # Enable this and the server will recognise asynchronous ABOR requests. Not # recommended for security (the code is non-trivial). Not enabling it, # however, may confuse older FTP clients. #async_abor_enable=YES # # By default the server will pretend to allow ASCII mode but in fact ignore # the request. Turn on the below options to have the server actually do ASCII # mangling on files when in ASCII mode. # Beware that turning on ascii_download_enable enables malicious remote parties # to consume your I/O resources, by issuing the command "SIZE /big/file" in # ASCII mode. # These ASCII options are split into upload and download because you may wish # to enable ASCII uploads (to prevent uploaded scripts etc. from breaking), # without the DoS risk of SIZE and ASCII downloads. ASCII mangling should be # on the client anyway.. #ascii_upload_enable=YES #ascii_download_enable=YES # # You may fully customise the login banner string: ftpd_banner=Welcome to VISD FTP service. # # You may specify a file of disallowed anonymous e-mail addresses. Apparently # useful for combatting certain DoS attacks. #deny_email_enable=YES # (default follows) #banned_email_file=/etc/vsftpd/banned_emails # # You may specify an explicit list of local users to chroot() to their home # directory. If chroot_local_user is YES, then this list becomes a list of # users to NOT chroot(). #chroot_list_enable=YES # (default follows) #chroot_list_file=/etc/vsftpd/chroot_list # # You may activate the "-R" option to the builtin ls. This is disabled by # default to avoid remote users being able to cause excessive I/O on large # sites. However, some broken FTP clients such as "ncftp" and "mirror" assume # the presence of the "-R" option, so there is a strong case for enabling it. #ls_recurse_enable=YES pam_service_name=vsftpd userlist_enable=YES #enable for standalone mode #listen=YES tcp_wrappers=YES Here's my /etc/pam.d/vsftpd file [root at localhost ~]# cat /etc/pam.d/vsftpd #%PAM-1.0 auth required pam_listfile.so item=user sense=deny file=/etc/vsftpd/ftpusers onerr=succeed auth required pam_stack.so service=system-auth auth required pam_shells.so account required pam_stack.so service=system-auth session required pam_stack.so service=system-auth From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 21 21:20:10 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:20:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help, please: can't get VSFTP to work In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603211302l694be5dcs87c5c94c26a2225e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603211302l694be5dcs87c5c94c26a2225e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44206E0A.6070506@maltzen.net> Not to change the subject, but rather than fooling around with an FTP daemon, use ssh instead. It included the sftp daemon, and if you can ssh into the box, sftp should work with no further configuration. On the client side, assuming people are coming from Windows, have them use WinSCP or FileZilla (although FileZilla has a bug that prevents the DOS-to-Unix conversion of ASCII mode from working). Plain FTP passes IDs and PWs in clear text which is frowned upon for security reasons. Petre john wrote: > Hi all, > > I haven't been able to get vsftp to run under FC4 and I was wondering > if anyone had any clues for me or had had similar issues. > > I am trying to get it to run under xinet.d so that I can use > tcpwrappers in order that VSFTP honor my hosts.allow hosts.deny files. > The default rpm package for FC4 uses pam for authentication and I > haven't made any alterations to /etc/pam/vsftpd. > > I assume that support for tcp_wrappers was built into the rpm package > but I don't know how to check this, the binary has been stripped of > comments. > > I don't have any way to start and stop xinetd as a service since its > not linked from /etc/init.d/ can anyone set me straight here? > > When I do /etc/init.d/vsftpd start i get a message saying ok > then when I do /etc/init.d/vsftpd status I get: > > /etc/init.d/vsftpd status > vsftpd dead but subsys locked > > Your help is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > -------- > > > Here's my /etc/xinetd.d/vsftpd file > > default: on > # description: The vsftpd FTP server serves FTP connections. It uses \ > # normal, unencrypted usernames and passwords for authentication. > service ftp > { > disable = no > socket_type = stream > wait = no > user = root > server = /usr/sbin/vsftpd > nice = 10 > } > > and here's my vsftpd.conf file > > > # Allow anonymous FTP? (Beware - allowed by default if you comment this out). > anonymous_enable=NO > # > # Uncomment this to allow local users to log in. > local_enable=YES > # > # Uncomment this to enable any form of FTP write command. > write_enable=YES > # > # Default umask for local users is 077. You may wish to change this to 022, > # if your users expect that (022 is used by most other ftpd's) > local_umask=022 > # > # Uncomment this to allow the anonymous FTP user to upload files. This only > # has an effect if the above global write enable is activated. Also, you will > # obviously need to create a directory writable by the FTP user. > #anon_upload_enable=YES > # > # Uncomment this if you want the anonymous FTP user to be able to create > # new directories. > #anon_mkdir_write_enable=YES > # > # Activate directory messages - messages given to remote users when they > # go into a certain directory. > dirmessage_enable=YES > # > # Activate logging of uploads/downloads. > xferlog_enable=YES > # > # Make sure PORT transfer connections originate from port 20 (ftp-data). > connect_from_port_20=YES > # > # If you want, you can arrange for uploaded anonymous files to be owned by > # a different user. Note! Using "root" for uploaded files is not > # recommended! > #chown_uploads=YES > #chown_username=whoever > # > # You may override where the log file goes if you like. The default is shown > # below. > #xferlog_file=/var/log/vsftpd.log > # > # If you want, you can have your log file in standard ftpd xferlog format > xferlog_std_format=YES > # > # You may change the default value for timing out an idle session. > #idle_session_timeout=600 > # > # You may change the default value for timing out a data connection. > #data_connection_timeout=120 > # > # It is recommended that you define on your system a unique user which the > # ftp server can use as a totally isolated and unprivileged user. > #nopriv_user=ftpsecure > # > # Enable this and the server will recognise asynchronous ABOR requests. Not > # recommended for security (the code is non-trivial). Not enabling it, > # however, may confuse older FTP clients. > #async_abor_enable=YES > # > # By default the server will pretend to allow ASCII mode but in fact ignore > # the request. Turn on the below options to have the server actually do ASCII > # mangling on files when in ASCII mode. > # Beware that turning on ascii_download_enable enables malicious remote parties > # to consume your I/O resources, by issuing the command "SIZE /big/file" in > # ASCII mode. > # These ASCII options are split into upload and download because you may wish > # to enable ASCII uploads (to prevent uploaded scripts etc. from breaking), > # without the DoS risk of SIZE and ASCII downloads. ASCII mangling should be > # on the client anyway.. > #ascii_upload_enable=YES > #ascii_download_enable=YES > # > # You may fully customise the login banner string: > ftpd_banner=Welcome to VISD FTP service. > # > # You may specify a file of disallowed anonymous e-mail addresses. Apparently > # useful for combatting certain DoS attacks. > #deny_email_enable=YES > # (default follows) > #banned_email_file=/etc/vsftpd/banned_emails > # > # You may specify an explicit list of local users to chroot() to their home > # directory. If chroot_local_user is YES, then this list becomes a list of > # users to NOT chroot(). > #chroot_list_enable=YES > # (default follows) > #chroot_list_file=/etc/vsftpd/chroot_list > # > # You may activate the "-R" option to the builtin ls. This is disabled by > # default to avoid remote users being able to cause excessive I/O on large > # sites. However, some broken FTP clients such as "ncftp" and "mirror" assume > # the presence of the "-R" option, so there is a strong case for enabling it. > #ls_recurse_enable=YES > > pam_service_name=vsftpd > userlist_enable=YES > #enable for standalone mode > #listen=YES > tcp_wrappers=YES > > > Here's my /etc/pam.d/vsftpd file > > [root at localhost ~]# cat /etc/pam.d/vsftpd > #%PAM-1.0 > auth required pam_listfile.so item=user sense=deny > file=/etc/vsftpd/ftpusers onerr=succeed > auth required pam_stack.so service=system-auth > auth required pam_shells.so > account required pam_stack.so service=system-auth > session required pam_stack.so service=system-auth > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Tue Mar 21 21:39:11 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:39:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] software repos Message-ID: <4420727F.5050809@independence.k12.ia.us> Greetings everyone, I have a silly question...do you all use the majority of the yum repos listed in k12ltsp, or do you shy away from using them? I'd like to upgrade to Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5x, and the newest gnome, but I'm a little scared to cause any problems? Share your thoughts. Thanks, Brad Johnson From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 21:50:47 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:50:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Help, please: can't get VSFTP to work In-Reply-To: <44206E0A.6070506@maltzen.net> References: <2be970b50603211302l694be5dcs87c5c94c26a2225e@mail.gmail.com> <44206E0A.6070506@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <2be970b50603211350y77a1b7cfx8a3c861743b1452@mail.gmail.com> Hi Petre, I agree with you on all counts. Sadly, this box has to allow a teacher access via ftp because the teacher wants to manage his website via an OS9.x ver. of Pagemill which doesn't support sftp. John On 3/21/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > Not to change the subject, but rather than fooling around with an FTP daemon, use ssh > instead. It included the sftp daemon, and if you can ssh into the box, sftp should work > with no further configuration. On the client side, assuming people are coming from > Windows, have them use WinSCP or FileZilla (although FileZilla has a bug that prevents > the DOS-to-Unix conversion of ASCII mode from working). Plain FTP passes IDs and PWs in > clear text which is frowned upon for security reasons. > > Petre > > john wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I haven't been able to get vsftp to run under FC4 and I was wondering > > if anyone had any clues for me or had had similar issues. > > > > I am trying to get it to run under xinet.d so that I can use > > tcpwrappers in order that VSFTP honor my hosts.allow hosts.deny files. > > The default rpm package for FC4 uses pam for authentication and I > > haven't made any alterations to /etc/pam/vsftpd. > > > > I assume that support for tcp_wrappers was built into the rpm package > > but I don't know how to check this, the binary has been stripped of > > comments. > > > > I don't have any way to start and stop xinetd as a service since its > > not linked from /etc/init.d/ can anyone set me straight here? > > > > When I do /etc/init.d/vsftpd start i get a message saying ok > > then when I do /etc/init.d/vsftpd status I get: > > > > /etc/init.d/vsftpd status > > vsftpd dead but subsys locked > > > > Your help is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > Here's my /etc/xinetd.d/vsftpd file > > > > default: on > > # description: The vsftpd FTP server serves FTP connections. It uses \ > > # normal, unencrypted usernames and passwords for authentication. > > service ftp > > { > > disable = no > > socket_type = stream > > wait = no > > user = root > > server = /usr/sbin/vsftpd > > nice = 10 > > } > > > > and here's my vsftpd.conf file > > > > > > # Allow anonymous FTP? (Beware - allowed by default if you comment this out). > > anonymous_enable=NO > > # > > # Uncomment this to allow local users to log in. > > local_enable=YES > > # > > # Uncomment this to enable any form of FTP write command. > > write_enable=YES > > # > > # Default umask for local users is 077. You may wish to change this to 022, > > # if your users expect that (022 is used by most other ftpd's) > > local_umask=022 > > # > > # Uncomment this to allow the anonymous FTP user to upload files. This only > > # has an effect if the above global write enable is activated. Also, you will > > # obviously need to create a directory writable by the FTP user. > > #anon_upload_enable=YES > > # > > # Uncomment this if you want the anonymous FTP user to be able to create > > # new directories. > > #anon_mkdir_write_enable=YES > > # > > # Activate directory messages - messages given to remote users when they > > # go into a certain directory. > > dirmessage_enable=YES > > # > > # Activate logging of uploads/downloads. > > xferlog_enable=YES > > # > > # Make sure PORT transfer connections originate from port 20 (ftp-data). > > connect_from_port_20=YES > > # > > # If you want, you can arrange for uploaded anonymous files to be owned by > > # a different user. Note! Using "root" for uploaded files is not > > # recommended! > > #chown_uploads=YES > > #chown_username=whoever > > # > > # You may override where the log file goes if you like. The default is shown > > # below. > > #xferlog_file=/var/log/vsftpd.log > > # > > # If you want, you can have your log file in standard ftpd xferlog format > > xferlog_std_format=YES > > # > > # You may change the default value for timing out an idle session. > > #idle_session_timeout=600 > > # > > # You may change the default value for timing out a data connection. > > #data_connection_timeout=120 > > # > > # It is recommended that you define on your system a unique user which the > > # ftp server can use as a totally isolated and unprivileged user. > > #nopriv_user=ftpsecure > > # > > # Enable this and the server will recognise asynchronous ABOR requests. Not > > # recommended for security (the code is non-trivial). Not enabling it, > > # however, may confuse older FTP clients. > > #async_abor_enable=YES > > # > > # By default the server will pretend to allow ASCII mode but in fact ignore > > # the request. Turn on the below options to have the server actually do ASCII > > # mangling on files when in ASCII mode. > > # Beware that turning on ascii_download_enable enables malicious remote parties > > # to consume your I/O resources, by issuing the command "SIZE /big/file" in > > # ASCII mode. > > # These ASCII options are split into upload and download because you may wish > > # to enable ASCII uploads (to prevent uploaded scripts etc. from breaking), > > # without the DoS risk of SIZE and ASCII downloads. ASCII mangling should be > > # on the client anyway.. > > #ascii_upload_enable=YES > > #ascii_download_enable=YES > > # > > # You may fully customise the login banner string: > > ftpd_banner=Welcome to VISD FTP service. > > # > > # You may specify a file of disallowed anonymous e-mail addresses. Apparently > > # useful for combatting certain DoS attacks. > > #deny_email_enable=YES > > # (default follows) > > #banned_email_file=/etc/vsftpd/banned_emails > > # > > # You may specify an explicit list of local users to chroot() to their home > > # directory. If chroot_local_user is YES, then this list becomes a list of > > # users to NOT chroot(). > > #chroot_list_enable=YES > > # (default follows) > > #chroot_list_file=/etc/vsftpd/chroot_list > > # > > # You may activate the "-R" option to the builtin ls. This is disabled by > > # default to avoid remote users being able to cause excessive I/O on large > > # sites. However, some broken FTP clients such as "ncftp" and "mirror" assume > > # the presence of the "-R" option, so there is a strong case for enabling it. > > #ls_recurse_enable=YES > > > > pam_service_name=vsftpd > > userlist_enable=YES > > #enable for standalone mode > > #listen=YES > > tcp_wrappers=YES > > > > > > Here's my /etc/pam.d/vsftpd file > > > > [root at localhost ~]# cat /etc/pam.d/vsftpd > > #%PAM-1.0 > > auth required pam_listfile.so item=user sense=deny > > file=/etc/vsftpd/ftpusers onerr=succeed > > auth required pam_stack.so service=system-auth > > auth required pam_shells.so > > account required pam_stack.so service=system-auth > > session required pam_stack.so service=system-auth > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 21 22:06:04 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:06:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help, please: can't get VSFTP to work In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603211350y77a1b7cfx8a3c861743b1452@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603211302l694be5dcs87c5c94c26a2225e@mail.gmail.com> <44206E0A.6070506@maltzen.net> <2be970b50603211350y77a1b7cfx8a3c861743b1452@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <442078CC.4050604@maltzen.net> Ah, the old 'I want to use the same tool I've always used' customer. This teacher's website is not on a publicly exposed box, right? That is, this is just for internal use, right? Otherwise, tell him it's like buying a sports car with the windows permanently rolled down, and parking it in a bad neighborhood: it's just asking to be compromised. With that said--I've been in similar situations--is xinetd installed? If you run 'chkconfig --list xinetd' what do you get? If nothing, try running 'rpm -qa |grep xinetd'; if that comes up empty, then xinetd isn't installed. Then use yum to install it. If it IS installed, try running 'service xinetd status' to see if it's running or not; run 'service xinetd start' if it isn't. Once that's running, look in /etc/xinetd.d/ for a config file for vsftpd. If there is a file there for it, look inside the file; most files placed in /etc/xinetd.d/ have a 'Disable = yes' setting by default, that you need to change to 'Disable = no', and then restart/reload xinetd. HTH. Petre john wrote: > Hi Petre, > > I agree with you on all counts. Sadly, this box has to allow a teacher > access via ftp because the teacher wants to manage his website via an > OS9.x ver. of Pagemill which doesn't support sftp. > > John > > On 3/21/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >> Not to change the subject, but rather than fooling around with an FTP daemon, use ssh >> instead. It included the sftp daemon, and if you can ssh into the box, sftp should work >> with no further configuration. On the client side, assuming people are coming from >> Windows, have them use WinSCP or FileZilla (although FileZilla has a bug that prevents >> the DOS-to-Unix conversion of ASCII mode from working). Plain FTP passes IDs and PWs in >> clear text which is frowned upon for security reasons. >> >> Petre >> >> john wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I haven't been able to get vsftp to run under FC4 and I was wondering >>> if anyone had any clues for me or had had similar issues. >>> >>> I am trying to get it to run under xinet.d so that I can use >>> tcpwrappers in order that VSFTP honor my hosts.allow hosts.deny files. >>> The default rpm package for FC4 uses pam for authentication and I >>> haven't made any alterations to /etc/pam/vsftpd. >>> >>> I assume that support for tcp_wrappers was built into the rpm package >>> but I don't know how to check this, the binary has been stripped of >>> comments. >>> >>> I don't have any way to start and stop xinetd as a service since its >>> not linked from /etc/init.d/ can anyone set me straight here? >>> >>> When I do /etc/init.d/vsftpd start i get a message saying ok >>> then when I do /etc/init.d/vsftpd status I get: >>> >>> /etc/init.d/vsftpd status >>> vsftpd dead but subsys locked >>> >>> Your help is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- >>> >>> >>> Here's my /etc/xinetd.d/vsftpd file >>> >>> default: on >>> # description: The vsftpd FTP server serves FTP connections. It uses \ >>> # normal, unencrypted usernames and passwords for authentication. >>> service ftp >>> { >>> disable = no >>> socket_type = stream >>> wait = no >>> user = root >>> server = /usr/sbin/vsftpd >>> nice = 10 >>> } >>> >>> and here's my vsftpd.conf file >>> >>> >>> # Allow anonymous FTP? (Beware - allowed by default if you comment this out). >>> anonymous_enable=NO >>> # >>> # Uncomment this to allow local users to log in. >>> local_enable=YES >>> # >>> # Uncomment this to enable any form of FTP write command. >>> write_enable=YES >>> # >>> # Default umask for local users is 077. You may wish to change this to 022, >>> # if your users expect that (022 is used by most other ftpd's) >>> local_umask=022 >>> # >>> # Uncomment this to allow the anonymous FTP user to upload files. This only >>> # has an effect if the above global write enable is activated. Also, you will >>> # obviously need to create a directory writable by the FTP user. >>> #anon_upload_enable=YES >>> # >>> # Uncomment this if you want the anonymous FTP user to be able to create >>> # new directories. >>> #anon_mkdir_write_enable=YES >>> # >>> # Activate directory messages - messages given to remote users when they >>> # go into a certain directory. >>> dirmessage_enable=YES >>> # >>> # Activate logging of uploads/downloads. >>> xferlog_enable=YES >>> # >>> # Make sure PORT transfer connections originate from port 20 (ftp-data). >>> connect_from_port_20=YES >>> # >>> # If you want, you can arrange for uploaded anonymous files to be owned by >>> # a different user. Note! Using "root" for uploaded files is not >>> # recommended! >>> #chown_uploads=YES >>> #chown_username=whoever >>> # >>> # You may override where the log file goes if you like. The default is shown >>> # below. >>> #xferlog_file=/var/log/vsftpd.log >>> # >>> # If you want, you can have your log file in standard ftpd xferlog format >>> xferlog_std_format=YES >>> # >>> # You may change the default value for timing out an idle session. >>> #idle_session_timeout=600 >>> # >>> # You may change the default value for timing out a data connection. >>> #data_connection_timeout=120 >>> # >>> # It is recommended that you define on your system a unique user which the >>> # ftp server can use as a totally isolated and unprivileged user. >>> #nopriv_user=ftpsecure >>> # >>> # Enable this and the server will recognise asynchronous ABOR requests. Not >>> # recommended for security (the code is non-trivial). Not enabling it, >>> # however, may confuse older FTP clients. >>> #async_abor_enable=YES >>> # >>> # By default the server will pretend to allow ASCII mode but in fact ignore >>> # the request. Turn on the below options to have the server actually do ASCII >>> # mangling on files when in ASCII mode. >>> # Beware that turning on ascii_download_enable enables malicious remote parties >>> # to consume your I/O resources, by issuing the command "SIZE /big/file" in >>> # ASCII mode. >>> # These ASCII options are split into upload and download because you may wish >>> # to enable ASCII uploads (to prevent uploaded scripts etc. from breaking), >>> # without the DoS risk of SIZE and ASCII downloads. ASCII mangling should be >>> # on the client anyway.. >>> #ascii_upload_enable=YES >>> #ascii_download_enable=YES >>> # >>> # You may fully customise the login banner string: >>> ftpd_banner=Welcome to VISD FTP service. >>> # >>> # You may specify a file of disallowed anonymous e-mail addresses. Apparently >>> # useful for combatting certain DoS attacks. >>> #deny_email_enable=YES >>> # (default follows) >>> #banned_email_file=/etc/vsftpd/banned_emails >>> # >>> # You may specify an explicit list of local users to chroot() to their home >>> # directory. If chroot_local_user is YES, then this list becomes a list of >>> # users to NOT chroot(). >>> #chroot_list_enable=YES >>> # (default follows) >>> #chroot_list_file=/etc/vsftpd/chroot_list >>> # >>> # You may activate the "-R" option to the builtin ls. This is disabled by >>> # default to avoid remote users being able to cause excessive I/O on large >>> # sites. However, some broken FTP clients such as "ncftp" and "mirror" assume >>> # the presence of the "-R" option, so there is a strong case for enabling it. >>> #ls_recurse_enable=YES >>> >>> pam_service_name=vsftpd >>> userlist_enable=YES >>> #enable for standalone mode >>> #listen=YES >>> tcp_wrappers=YES >>> >>> >>> Here's my /etc/pam.d/vsftpd file >>> >>> [root at localhost ~]# cat /etc/pam.d/vsftpd >>> #%PAM-1.0 >>> auth required pam_listfile.so item=user sense=deny >>> file=/etc/vsftpd/ftpusers onerr=succeed >>> auth required pam_stack.so service=system-auth >>> auth required pam_shells.so >>> account required pam_stack.so service=system-auth >>> session required pam_stack.so service=system-auth >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 22 03:11:36 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:11:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Is there any easy how to manual for server and terminal available? In-Reply-To: <20060321194807.45259.qmail@web52313.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060321194807.45259.qmail@web52313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1142997095.31172.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 13:48, ron kiani wrote: > I am having such a hard time in getting the K12LTSP working. I have > finally downloaded and installed the main server. Now the instructions > in LTSP project for setting up the terminal are quite confusing to me > and I am not sure if there is a direct step by step method for setting > up a workstation is available. I want to use a CD boot method and not > sure what to do next. You can boot most PC's with this floppy image: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy/ or this iso: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/eb_pci.iso or if the PC supports PXE booting, just remove the hard disk cable or set PXE first in the bios boot sequence. The only tricky part is finding which of the 2 server NICs to use for the clients. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From piritarodo at hotmail.com Wed Mar 22 02:33:46 2006 From: piritarodo at hotmail.com (Alejandro Mel) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 02:33:46 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] is this possible in KDE?????? Message-ID: Hello I have RedHat Fedora 4 LTSP 4.1 on server and KDE for the terminals. I want to build a "default" desktop different from the one that comes "by default" with KDE for the new users created, (for example high graphics details, the wallpaper car.jpg, NOT DEFAULT.PNG, remove some icons from the bar, etc) so the admin create a new account, then the user login the system and finds a different desktop than the default KDE. I tried to edit /etc/kde/desktop.conf(changed the wallpaper...) but without luck, because I created a new user and when he logged in found the DEFAULT.PNG fuck wallpaper... please help me I want to know the filenames I have to edit so my clients load different desktop config than DEFAULT Thanks a lottttt _________________________________________________________________ Las mejores tiendas, los precios mas bajos, entregas en todo el mundo, YupiMSN Compras: http://latam.msn.com/compras/ From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed Mar 22 03:26:26 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:26:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] is this possible in KDE?????? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4420C3E2.1080500@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Alejandro, First off, have you tried using kiosktool? It's quite handy for such things. If that doesn't work, you will want to look for kdeglobals and kdesktoprc, all of which should be in skel dirs. Let me know if the above is not enough to help. Cheers, Mike Ely Alejandro Mel wrote: > Hello > > I have RedHat Fedora 4 LTSP 4.1 on server and KDE for the terminals. > > I want to build a "default" desktop different from the one that comes > "by default" with KDE > > for the new users created, (for example high graphics details, the > wallpaper car.jpg, NOT DEFAULT.PNG, remove some icons from the bar, etc) > so the admin create a new account, then the user login the system and > finds a different desktop than the default KDE. > > I tried to edit /etc/kde/desktop.conf(changed the wallpaper...) but > without luck, because I created a new user and when he logged in found > the DEFAULT.PNG fuck wallpaper... please help me > > I want to know the filenames I have to edit so my clients load different > desktop config than DEFAULT > > Thanks a lottttt > > _________________________________________________________________ > Las mejores tiendas, los precios mas bajos, entregas en todo el mundo, > YupiMSN Compras: http://latam.msn.com/compras/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ddwelley at msad54.org Wed Mar 22 12:20:28 2006 From: ddwelley at msad54.org (Dan Dwelley) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:20:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 5 Released Message-ID: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027317FB@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> So...does the updated nautilus work any better then the one in FC4? Seems more often than not, nautilus crashes and needs to be restarted. This is not a big deal most of the time...but when I do use the GUI and browse the file folders... -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:29 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 5 Released Oh, I know that yum is accessible from the menus. One thing I left out from the notes is that the instructions for installing the terminal are shown like this: You can install it using the following command: yum install nautilus-open-terminal So, the notes suggest using a command-line to install a command-line. Perhaps this is one of those recursive programmer jokes. Humor aside, I question the wisdom of not including a terminal by default in a Unix-like system as I think most people would expect one without needing to manually install it. But perhaps I'm just old fashioned. Paul VanGundy wrote: > Petre, > > Yum extender. > > -Paul > > On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 11:11 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: >> Saw this in the release notes: >> >> "GNOME 2.12 has removed the terminal option from the desktop context menu. >> nautilus-open-terminal in Fedora Extras repository provides a >> enhanced replacement for those who require it." >> >> Do I understand this correctly, that there isn't a terminal app in Gnome's menu anymore? >> That seems hard to believe, so I must be mistaken. The notes then >> describe using yum to install nautilus-open-terminal. But...how does one use yum without a terminal? >> >> Paul VanGundy wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> Just an FYI, Fedora Core 5 has been released. >>> >>> -Paul >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Wed Mar 22 13:42:27 2006 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:42:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Is there any easy how to manual for server and terminal available? In-Reply-To: <20060321194807.45259.qmail@web52313.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060321194807.45259.qmail@web52313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44215443.8070208@chelseaeagles.org> ron kiani wrote: > I am having such a hard time in getting the K12LTSP working. I have finally downloaded and installed the main server. Now the instructions in LTSP project for setting up the terminal are quite confusing to me and I am not sure if there is a direct step by step method for setting up a workstation is available. I want to use a CD boot method and not sure what to do next. In my experience, you only have two ways to boot the thin client (terminals), either a PXE (network boot) or from a boot floppy. > > I have struggled thorugh the installation of the server and couldn't even find any documentation for it either. Please help stir me in the right direction as I am so lost here :(. Thanks a bunch. > > Ron Ron, Don't ya just love it. Everyone telling you how simple a Linux project is and they you get killed the first step out of the box? I'm testing the K12LTSP lab concept and I've posted some notes at http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose/doku.php see the article k12ltspsetup Also try http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html http://k12os.org/ http://www.ltsp.org/ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ I have a four station K12LTSP lab working in a distant classroom. So far (since Thanksgiving) I have made four support calls - three times the server shut down because of power failures and one kid trashed her profile so totally that I created a new one. For the amount of time these computers are on and the skill level of the students using them (4th grade), they are the nearest thing to a trouble-free computer system going. Good luck -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Mar 22 15:04:16 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:04:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Xen in FC5...what does this mean for us? Message-ID: Hey folks.... I see now that XEN virtualization is built in to Fedora Core 5.....I'm curious as to folks ideas and suggestions on how this can be leveraged to help us in K12LTSP......ideas? Thoughts? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Mar 22 15:35:32 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:35:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Xen Message-ID: <20060322083532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.265cc6fa2e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Has anyone in this group used Xen? Any problems running multiple OS on one server? It sure seems like a great way to support both Linux and Windows environments. It could provide a way to slowly ween users off of Windows. Seems like something worth trying. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From petre at maltzen.net Wed Mar 22 16:19:36 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:19:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Xen in FC5...what does this mean for us? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44217918.2030909@maltzen.net> Virtualization is good for hardware consolidation; if you need two OSs you can do it on one box, whereas it used to be that you needed one box for each OS. Considering that the problem most people on this list encounter is that the number of clients starts to exceed the hardware's ability to support all those clients, I don't see much value for this group in virtualization, not for a few years anyway*. Virtualization is multiple OSs on one box, clustering is using multiple boxes to form one OS. I think clustering will be of more interest to LTSP. *If you had a mainframe with multiple processors and, say, 512GB of RAM, it might make sense to run multiple virtual servers, each dedicated to one application used in your LTSP environment. You get the advantage that you can add and remove apps without potentially breaking the user environment or other apps. It's the same as using dedicated app servers now, as Largo, FL does, but without all the 'extra' hardware of a separate box for each application. That way, a bad or piggish app is even more separated from all the other apps and the desktop environment; in short, a more solid architecture. But machines of this caliber aren't cheap, and I don't know that virtualization on Intel/x86 architecture is solid enough that I'd be willing to bet my whole environment on it. Petre David Trask wrote: > Hey folks.... > > I see now that XEN virtualization is built in to Fedora Core 5.....I'm > curious as to folks ideas and suggestions on how this can be leveraged to > help us in K12LTSP......ideas? Thoughts? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Mar 22 15:43:36 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:43:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Xen In-Reply-To: <20060322083532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.265cc6fa2e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <200603221624.k2MGOrw7019054@mx1.redhat.com> Ron, I've heard that OpenVZ (http://openvz.org/) is much better than Xen. However, I have no experience with OpenVZ. It's another option though. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of rmcdaniel at indata.us Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:36 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Xen Has anyone in this group used Xen? Any problems running multiple OS on one server? It sure seems like a great way to support both Linux and Windows environments. It could provide a way to slowly ween users off of Windows. Seems like something worth trying. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 22 17:10:16 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:10:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Xen In-Reply-To: <20060322083532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.265cc6fa2e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060322083532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.265cc6fa2e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <442184F8.7080100@mesd.k12.or.us> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Has anyone in this group used Xen? Any problems running multiple OS on > one server? It sure seems like a great way to support both Linux and > Windows environments. It could provide a way to slowly ween users off > of Windows. Seems like something worth trying. To support OSs not yet ported to Xen (e.g. Windows) requires either Intel's VT (Vanderpool) or AMD's Pacifica technology. Not too many of those around right now, but that will change soon. Wikipedia says it's present in "Pentium 4 6x2, Pentium D 9xx, Xeon 7xxx and Core Duo processors, though in the latter case it is sometimes disabled in the BIOS." cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep vt OSs ported to Xen (Linux, NetBSD) can run on existing i386 hardware via paravirtualization. I've used it briefly on FC5 hosting FC5. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed Mar 22 17:13:58 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:13:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Xen In-Reply-To: <200603221624.k2MGOrw7019054@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200603221624.k2MGOrw7019054@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <442185D6.6060503@rogueriver.k12.or.us> My experience has been more with Xen - the things I've been hearing about virtuozzo are not positive, so I've avoided it. Currently I'm running things on UML (User Mode Linux) and VMWare, both of which are allright, although UML is definitely being deprecated with the maturing of Xen. Virtuozzo (commercialized openvz) would be somewhere along the lines of UML, with a higher amount of processing overhead and resultant lower number of nodes per host than Xen. On the other hand, Xen needs either a modified kernel or virtualization technology on the CPU (certain versions of Itanic 2, for example) in order to run, so there's something to be said for using something else. In the context of LTSP servers, I'd thought for a while about whether virtualization would be a good fit, and my feeling is that it isn't. The main reason for this is twofold: First off, any hypervisor(ish) solution is going to cause overhead on the server. Second off, Linux is designed to be a multiuser operating system from the ground up, and ultimately LTSP is XDMCP with a bit of chrooting, all of which is a "core competency" for linux. I've been using virtualization for things like one-off servers that don't like a cluttered environment, or servers that are prone to fail spectacularly but don't need a lot of hardware. The first case is pretty obvious, and the second case is really nice when you don't want to buy bespoke hardware for a service but don't want that service knocking over an entire server full of other stuff when it implodes. Hope all that helps, Mike Paul VanGundy wrote: > Ron, > > I've heard that OpenVZ (http://openvz.org/) is much better than Xen. > However, I have no experience with OpenVZ. It's another option though. > > -Paul > > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of rmcdaniel at indata.us > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:36 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Xen > > Has anyone in this group used Xen? Any problems running multiple OS on one > server? It sure seems like a great way to support both Linux and Windows > environments. It could provide a way to slowly ween users off of Windows. > Seems like something worth trying. > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jarod at jxxtech.net Wed Mar 22 17:37:52 2006 From: jarod at jxxtech.net (Jarod Watkins) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:37:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP Message-ID: <44218B70.6090702@jxxtech.net> So with all this talk about Fedora Core 5, has anyone gotten LTSP to run on it? Because i downloaded FC5 last night and tried a clean install of LTSP, and ran into problems. Maybe i did something wrong, but i was just wondering if anyone had any luck so far. Thanks! Jarod Watkins 252.908.0853 jarod at jxxtech.net www.jxxtech.net Indemand Solutions for an Ondemand World From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 22 18:13:44 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:13:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Xen In-Reply-To: <20060322083532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.265cc6fa2e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060322083532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.265cc6fa2e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1143051223.26221.47.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 09:35, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Has anyone in this group used Xen? Any problems running multiple OS on > one server? It sure seems like a great way to support both Linux and > Windows environments. It could provide a way to slowly ween users off > of Windows. Seems like something worth trying. Xen requires a modified kernel for the guest OS while the modification to windows is possible it is not available. However, VMware has released a free version of VMware server that will run under Linux and support windows guests. If your server is already CPU bound with thin clients it probably won't work well anyway. The place I expect it to be useful is to allow getting rid of any old windows boxes you have around running some rarely used program. For one or a few users you could run a dedicated virtual machine using the included remote console for access. The memory isn't shared between machines so it probably wouldn't be practical to give many clients their own virtual machine. However if you have a server that only handles a few thin clients you could also run a windows server under vmware with terminal services providing access to window apps, using rdesktop on the client. The VMware server is currently a beta release but seems pretty solid and is supposed to remain free even after general release. http://www.vmware.com. If nothing else, it is a great tool for trying experimental software since the things you install in a guest don't affect the host. You can even create a new virtual machine and without installing anything it will network boot as a thin client. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From chan at sacredsf.org Wed Mar 22 18:49:41 2006 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:49:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base In-Reply-To: <003b01c64d20$5ee53650$0500a8c0@Marian> References: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> <003b01c64d20$5ee53650$0500a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: How does Open WebMail compare to Squirrelmail? -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, M.Pribik wrote: > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:48:01 +0100 > From: M.Pribik > Reply-To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mail data base > Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:44:22 -0700 > Resent-From: chan at sacredsf.org > Resent-To: hchan at albert.sacredsf.org > > Openwebmail is very useful with nice graphic user interface and is Open > source. > > http://openwebmail.org > Marian > > From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 22 18:51:51 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:51:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Xen In-Reply-To: <442184F8.7080100@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060322083532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.265cc6fa2e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <442184F8.7080100@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44219CC7.1040207@mesd.k12.or.us> Dan Young wrote: > cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep vt Doh! Should be vmx, not vt. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From stegil at hotmail.com Wed Mar 22 19:06:40 2006 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:06:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS for backup Message-ID: If any of you would like to try out this new NAS alternative, please remember it's beta. It's a fork of the Monowall firewall/router based on FreeBSD. I have been testing it out and it seems very promising. It has a web based administration and raid support. Yes, unfortunately it's not really a command line but GUI based. :) http://www.freenas.org/ cheers SteveG From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 22 21:42:43 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:42:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP In-Reply-To: <44218B70.6090702@jxxtech.net> References: <44218B70.6090702@jxxtech.net> Message-ID: <4421C4D3.6000603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jarod Watkins wrote: > So with all this talk about Fedora Core 5, has anyone gotten LTSP to run > on it? Because i downloaded FC5 last night and tried a clean install of > LTSP, and ran into problems. Maybe i did something wrong, but i was just > wondering if anyone had any luck so far. Thanks! > It only took me a few minutes to get the LTSP packages from FC4 to work on FC5, but it did require some minor tweaking. FC5 has the shiny new modular X setup that has all of the bits located in different places than they were in the past + it has a shiny new version of GNOME which has a different configuration setup for GDM. For the FC5-based version of K12LTSP, I'm going to use the soon-to-be-released LTSP version 4.2. I hope to have a beta ready this weekend, I only have a small handful of show-stoppers I need to resolve... -Eric From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Mar 22 22:31:13 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:31:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Xen Message-ID: <20060322153113.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.967cf75729.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I wasn't aware that it required the Intel VT to work with Windows. I was thinking that I could take one of my existing servers, like a Linux DC and load Xen so that I could run 1 or 2 Windows apps. I wouldn't consider running it on a LTSP server due to the heavy load from the clients. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Xen > From: "Paul VanGundy" > Date: Wed, March 22, 2006 9:43 am > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > > Ron, > > I've heard that OpenVZ (http://openvz.org/) is much better than Xen. > However, I have no experience with OpenVZ. It's another option though. > > -Paul > > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of rmcdaniel at indata.us > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:36 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Xen > > Has anyone in this group used Xen? Any problems running multiple OS on one > server? It sure seems like a great way to support both Linux and Windows > environments. It could provide a way to slowly ween users off of Windows. > Seems like something worth trying. > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Mar 22 22:49:03 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:49:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP Message-ID: <20060322224600.XIUT17006.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> Check the list archive, Eric put out an early k12 build based on FC5 Test 3. Eric, Will the final build of the next k12 version use ltsp4.2 ? Luis > > From: Jarod Watkins > Date: 2006/03/22 Wed AM 09:37:52 PST > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP > > So with all this talk about Fedora Core 5, has anyone gotten LTSP to run > on it? Because i downloaded FC5 last night and tried a clean install of > LTSP, and ran into problems. Maybe i did something wrong, but i was just > wondering if anyone had any luck so far. Thanks! > > > Jarod Watkins > 252.908.0853 > jarod at jxxtech.net > www.jxxtech.net > Indemand Solutions for an Ondemand World > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Mar 22 22:49:16 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:49:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP Message-ID: <20060322224916.FYQI17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> Check the list archive, Eric put out an early k12 build based on FC5 Test 3. Eric, Will the final build of the next k12 version use ltsp4.2 ? Luis > > From: Jarod Watkins > Date: 2006/03/22 Wed AM 09:37:52 PST > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP > > So with all this talk about Fedora Core 5, has anyone gotten LTSP to run > on it? Because i downloaded FC5 last night and tried a clean install of > LTSP, and ran into problems. Maybe i did something wrong, but i was just > wondering if anyone had any luck so far. Thanks! > > > Jarod Watkins > 252.908.0853 > jarod at jxxtech.net > www.jxxtech.net > Indemand Solutions for an Ondemand World > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From atmlogic at kmts.ca Thu Mar 23 01:10:50 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:10:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS for backup - OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603230113.k2N1DPOx026555@mx1.redhat.com> Interesting, do you know how it compairs to NASLite http://www.serverelements.com/naslite.php ? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of steve gilmore Sent: March 22, 2006 1:07 PM To: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] NAS for backup If any of you would like to try out this new NAS alternative, please remember it's beta. It's a fork of the Monowall firewall/router based on FreeBSD. I have been testing it out and it seems very promising. It has a web based administration and raid support. Yes, unfortunately it's not really a command line but GUI based. :) http://www.freenas.org/ cheers SteveG _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Thu Mar 23 05:31:38 2006 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:31:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue Message-ID: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> I administer a network at a K-12 school in Winnipeg Manitoba. I also teach grades 9-12 computer classes, while other teachers use the lab for their classes. I am currently running K12LTSP (ver 4.4.1 I believe) on a dual xeon 3.06 MHz computer with 4-80 Gb SATA drives configured on a megaraid-4 controller raid 1+0. 2 nics, and 1 is even a gigabyte nic, but all the switches involved in my network are 10/100, so it is not being utilized All applications are run from this one server, except I have a stand alone box that does nothing except host our school?s mail. Currently connecting 35 thin clients which run a variety of applications the most important of which are StarOffice 7 applications, Firefox for surfing/research/ etc, and NetBeans 3.6 IDE for java programming, and KTOUCH. Elementary classes use such things as TuxPaint, TuxType. When I teach, I frequently run into situations where the kids are doing/accessing the same thing at virtually the same time. For example, they might all try to start StarOffice Text at more or less the same time. Regardless of the app, near simultaneous execution of the program bogs down network. Once in, most apps perform well enough, some notable ones do not, like NetBeans. (it is fine with 5-10 but a pig when 20 use it at the same time.) And at the end of any class, when 30 ish users all try to log out, the log out process itself is quite slow. I am looking for ways to increase speed/traffic throughput. This is what I plan to do. Please tell me if I am on the right track. Run DSL modem into a 8 port 10/100/1000 switch. Plug a Linksys router into switch to grab the outside IP. Plug the slower 10/100 nic from the server into the Linksys router (internet is limited anyway, so a gigabyte connection would be wasted, right) Run the gigabyte nic from the server into the gigabyte switch. Upgrade my lab switches to 10/100 ?s but with Gigabyte backbones, which I will use to connect them to the Gigabyte switch Any expansion in the school will use switches with gigabyte backbones to connect to the main, all gigabyte switch I planned to do this because from my reading of this list, and others, I had gathered/assumed that this would have a significant positive impact on speed/throughput. But today I talked to someone who told me that this won?t help all that much because my biggest problem/bottleneck is not the lack of a Gigabyte backbone, but is the hard drive accessbottleneck on the server The solution I was planning above is far less expensive than say adding a few more servers to do clustering. I have the ok for the Gigabyte solution, but doubt I would get the funds for the clustering option, or have the space currently, to host the extra boxes. (space is that tight!) Will my plan help at all? Or am I wasting time/money. Please advice. Advice/opinions are welcome __________________________________________ I am Homer of Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is fut......Hmmmm....DONUTS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 3/22/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jarod at jxxtech.net Thu Mar 23 08:02:02 2006 From: jarod at jxxtech.net (Jarod Watkins) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:02:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP In-Reply-To: <4421C4D3.6000603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44218B70.6090702@jxxtech.net> <4421C4D3.6000603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <442255FA.4080901@jxxtech.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > Jarod Watkins wrote: >> So with all this talk about Fedora Core 5, has anyone gotten LTSP to >> run on it? Because i downloaded FC5 last night and tried a clean >> install of LTSP, and ran into problems. Maybe i did something wrong, >> but i was just wondering if anyone had any luck so far. Thanks! >> > > It only took me a few minutes to get the LTSP packages from FC4 to > work on FC5, but it did require some minor tweaking. FC5 has the shiny > new modular X setup that has all of the bits located in different > places than they were in the past + it has a shiny new version of > GNOME which has a different configuration setup for GDM. > > For the FC5-based version of K12LTSP, I'm going to use the > soon-to-be-released LTSP version 4.2. I hope to have a beta ready this > weekend, I only have a small handful of show-stoppers I need to > resolve... > > -Eric If you don't mind, would you tell me what you did? i really would like to get FC5 setup if i could! Thanks! From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Mar 23 13:05:48 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:05:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP Message-ID: <20060323060548.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0dabb3dee0.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Thanks for all of your hard work Eric! Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP > From: Eric Harrison > Date: Wed, March 22, 2006 3:42 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Jarod Watkins wrote: > > So with all this talk about Fedora Core 5, has anyone gotten LTSP to run > > on it? Because i downloaded FC5 last night and tried a clean install of > > LTSP, and ran into problems. Maybe i did something wrong, but i was just > > wondering if anyone had any luck so far. Thanks! > > > > It only took me a few minutes to get the LTSP packages from FC4 to work > on FC5, but it did require some minor tweaking. FC5 has the shiny new > modular X setup that has all of the bits located in different places > than they were in the past + it has a shiny new version of GNOME which > has a different configuration setup for GDM. > > For the FC5-based version of K12LTSP, I'm going to use the > soon-to-be-released LTSP version 4.2. I hope to have a beta ready this > weekend, I only have a small handful of show-stoppers I need to resolve... > > -Eric > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 23 13:29:31 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:29:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> References: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> Message-ID: <1143120570.5809.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 23:31, Liam Marshall wrote: > I planned to do this because from my reading of this list, and others, > I had gathered/assumed that this would have a significant positive > impact on speed/throughput. But today I talked to someone who told me > that this won???t help all that much because my biggest > problem/bottleneck is not the lack of a Gigabyte backbone, but is the > hard drive accessbottleneck on the server Keep in mind that you only read the disk once for any number of clients that want something within a reasonable length of time because of disk caching. Your server should have at least 4 gigs of ram and the gig uplink will make a substantial difference. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From stegil at hotmail.com Thu Mar 23 14:39:55 2006 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:39:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS for backup - OT References: <200603230113.k2N1DPOx026555@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: I also use NASlite. NASlite is a more mature product. It has a lot of limitations, but simplicity of use. Freenas seems to overcome the limits of NASlite. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ATM Logic" To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:10 PM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NAS for backup - OT > Interesting, do you know how it compairs to NASLite > http://www.serverelements.com/naslite.php ? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of steve gilmore > Sent: March 22, 2006 1:07 PM > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] NAS for backup > > If any of you would like to try out this new NAS alternative, please > remember it's beta. > It's a fork of the Monowall firewall/router based on FreeBSD. I have been > testing it out and it seems very promising. > It has a web based administration and raid support. Yes, unfortunately > it's > not really a command line but GUI based. :) > > http://www.freenas.org/ > > cheers > SteveG > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Mar 23 15:28:32 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:28:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> References: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> Message-ID: You are on the right track....the gig card (serving the apps to the terminals) needs to come out of the server and go into a gig port on a switch.....after that you can go 100baseT....at least the data coming from the server is at full speed. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, March 23, 2006 at 12:31 AM +0000 wrote: >I administer a network at a K-12 school in Winnipeg Manitoba. I also >teach grades 9-12 computer classes, while other teachers use the lab for >their classes. > >I am currently running K12LTSP (ver 4.4.1 I believe) on a dual xeon 3.06 >MHz computer with 4-80 Gb SATA drives configured on a megaraid-4 >controller raid 1+0. 2 nics, and 1 is even a gigabyte nic, but all the >switches involved in my network are 10/100, so it is not being utilized > >All applications are run from this one server, except I have a stand >alone box that does nothing except host our school?s mail. Currently >connecting 35 thin clients which run a variety of applications the most >important of which are StarOffice 7 applications, Firefox for >surfing/research/ etc, and NetBeans 3.6 IDE for java programming, and >KTOUCH. Elementary classes use such things as TuxPaint, TuxType. > >When I teach, I frequently run into situations where the kids are >doing/accessing the same thing at virtually the same time. For example, >they might all try to start StarOffice Text at more or less the same >time. Regardless of the app, near simultaneous execution of the program >bogs down network. Once in, most apps perform well enough, some notable >ones do not, like NetBeans. (it is fine with 5-10 but a pig when 20 use >it at the same time.) And at the end of any class, when 30 ish users all >try to log out, the log out process itself is quite slow. > >I am looking for ways to increase speed/traffic throughput. This is what >I plan to do. Please tell me if I am on the right track. > >Run DSL modem into a 8 port 10/100/1000 switch. >Plug a Linksys router into switch to grab the outside IP. Plug the >slower 10/100 nic from the server into the Linksys router (internet is >limited anyway, so a gigabyte connection would be wasted, right) >Run the gigabyte nic from the server into the gigabyte switch. >Upgrade my lab switches to 10/100 ?s but with Gigabyte backbones, which I >will use to connect them to the Gigabyte switch >Any expansion in the school will use switches with gigabyte backbones to >connect to the main, all gigabyte switch > >I planned to do this because from my reading of this list, and others, I >had gathered/assumed that this would have a significant positive impact >on speed/throughput. But today I talked to someone who told me that this >won?t help all that much because my biggest problem/bottleneck is not the >lack of a Gigabyte backbone, but is the hard drive accessbottleneck on >the server > > The solution I was planning above is far less expensive than say adding >a few more servers to do clustering. I have the ok for the Gigabyte >solution, but doubt I would get the funds for the clustering option, or >have the space currently, to host the extra boxes. (space is that >tight!) Will my plan help at all? Or am I wasting time/money. > >Please advice. Advice/opinions are welcome >__________________________________________ >I am Homer of Borg. You will be assimilated. >Resistance is fut......Hmmmm....DONUTS! > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 3/22/2006 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Mar 23 15:28:32 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:28:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> References: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> Message-ID: You are on the right track....the gig card (serving the apps to the terminals) needs to come out of the server and go into a gig port on a switch.....after that you can go 100baseT....at least the data coming from the server is at full speed. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, March 23, 2006 at 12:31 AM +0000 wrote: >I administer a network at a K-12 school in Winnipeg Manitoba. I also >teach grades 9-12 computer classes, while other teachers use the lab for >their classes. > >I am currently running K12LTSP (ver 4.4.1 I believe) on a dual xeon 3.06 >MHz computer with 4-80 Gb SATA drives configured on a megaraid-4 >controller raid 1+0. 2 nics, and 1 is even a gigabyte nic, but all the >switches involved in my network are 10/100, so it is not being utilized > >All applications are run from this one server, except I have a stand >alone box that does nothing except host our school?s mail. Currently >connecting 35 thin clients which run a variety of applications the most >important of which are StarOffice 7 applications, Firefox for >surfing/research/ etc, and NetBeans 3.6 IDE for java programming, and >KTOUCH. Elementary classes use such things as TuxPaint, TuxType. > >When I teach, I frequently run into situations where the kids are >doing/accessing the same thing at virtually the same time. For example, >they might all try to start StarOffice Text at more or less the same >time. Regardless of the app, near simultaneous execution of the program >bogs down network. Once in, most apps perform well enough, some notable >ones do not, like NetBeans. (it is fine with 5-10 but a pig when 20 use >it at the same time.) And at the end of any class, when 30 ish users all >try to log out, the log out process itself is quite slow. > >I am looking for ways to increase speed/traffic throughput. This is what >I plan to do. Please tell me if I am on the right track. > >Run DSL modem into a 8 port 10/100/1000 switch. >Plug a Linksys router into switch to grab the outside IP. Plug the >slower 10/100 nic from the server into the Linksys router (internet is >limited anyway, so a gigabyte connection would be wasted, right) >Run the gigabyte nic from the server into the gigabyte switch. >Upgrade my lab switches to 10/100 ?s but with Gigabyte backbones, which I >will use to connect them to the Gigabyte switch >Any expansion in the school will use switches with gigabyte backbones to >connect to the main, all gigabyte switch > >I planned to do this because from my reading of this list, and others, I >had gathered/assumed that this would have a significant positive impact >on speed/throughput. But today I talked to someone who told me that this >won?t help all that much because my biggest problem/bottleneck is not the >lack of a Gigabyte backbone, but is the hard drive accessbottleneck on >the server > > The solution I was planning above is far less expensive than say adding >a few more servers to do clustering. I have the ok for the Gigabyte >solution, but doubt I would get the funds for the clustering option, or >have the space currently, to host the extra boxes. (space is that >tight!) Will my plan help at all? Or am I wasting time/money. > >Please advice. Advice/opinions are welcome >__________________________________________ >I am Homer of Borg. You will be assimilated. >Resistance is fut......Hmmmm....DONUTS! > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 3/22/2006 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 23 17:18:11 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:18:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base In-Reply-To: References: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> <003b01c64d20$5ee53650$0500a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <20060323171032.M69398@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:49:41 -0800 (PST), Hoover Chan wrote > How does Open WebMail compare to Squirrelmail? I run both. I have OpenWebMail at a couple sites and Squirrelmail and some others. I really like the look of OW (OpenWebMail), very finished and a little more eye candy. Also it is a more complete package out of the box. Now Squirrelmail by default isn't very pretty and doesn't have very many features. However it is infinitely configurable and has many,many modules available. It also has more options for interfacing with a database backend and working with virtual domains. I have also noticed the OW carries more overhead when processing or checking mail than SM (squirrel mail). If you want a very polished out of the box setup with good features and don't need to handle more than a few hundred clients on a single domain on a single box, I say openwebmail. If you want to be able to pick and choose where the eye candy goes and what features are available while having more features to choose from, or need to handle multiple domains and thousands of users, and aren't afraid to dig into many config files to make it work, I say squirrelmail. I love both, now. I didn't a year ago. I used think squirrelmail was like driving a Yugo. Now I see that squirrelmail is like looking at a Yugo, but having enough options available to turn it into a car from "Pimp my Ride". Openwebmail is like just buying a nice Buick, not as many options, but very nice and good enough for most. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 23 17:25:30 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:25:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail data base In-Reply-To: References: <441FFDFE.6090902@orion-design.com> <003b01c64d20$5ee53650$0500a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <20060323171907.M63067@winonacotter.org> Looking back I think this topic took three paths: 1. Database backend for tracking parents email addresses (OpenOffice Base etc.) 2. What to use as a mass mailing generator (Mailman etc.) 3. What to use as a webmail client to offer email to parents (Squirrelmail, Openwebmail etc) I just wanted to quick clarify that so we didn't loose the original poster with a bunch of info. Keep in mind if what you really want to achieve is not just mass mailing parents from a list of existing addresses, but to actually provide them email accounts and mass mail those (what is indicated by path #3), you will also need to setup a email server for your webmail to sit on top of and still relies on some for of option #2 even if it is just a large alias group. This opens up a whole new topic and a plethora of options. It can also open you up to a ton more user calls and questions from parents that you may not be equipped to handle. I hope that helps straighten this messed up thread out :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 23 18:23:21 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:23:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS for backup - OT In-Reply-To: <200603230113.k2N1DPOx026555@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200603230113.k2N1DPOx026555@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1143138201.12234.28.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 19:10, ATM Logic wrote: >> http://www.freenas.org/ > Interesting, do you know how it compairs to NASLite > http://www.serverelements.com/naslite.php ? Or the Centos-based openfiler? http://www.openfiler.com/ I'd expect that to make a great home directory server especially with LDAP authentication. The 2.x version in beta is based on Centos 4.x. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Thu Mar 23 18:50:13 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:50:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP In-Reply-To: <442255FA.4080901@jxxtech.net> References: <44218B70.6090702@jxxtech.net> <4421C4D3.6000603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <442255FA.4080901@jxxtech.net> Message-ID: <1143139813.3433.18.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 03:02 -0500, Jarod Watkins wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > > For the FC5-based version of K12LTSP, I'm going to use the > > soon-to-be-released LTSP version 4.2. I hope to have a beta ready this > > weekend, I only have a small handful of show-stoppers I need to > > resolve... > > > > -Eric > If you don't mind, would you tell me what you did? i really would like > to get FC5 setup if i could! Thanks! I was able to get a separate FC5 Terminal server (ie: The PXE/tftp/nfs root still running on the original K12LTSP server but a new FC5 test server running on the same network and serving gdm to the clients) very easily. It even has selinux enabled :-) If you want to go this route for testing 1) Do an FC5 install on a separate machine. 2) Configure gdm on the FC5 server to serve xdmcp on the network. 3) On the ltsp server, change /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf: set the SCREEN_XX (where XX is the number of the screen you're changing) to startx on the FC5 box. Something like this: In the [Default] section: SCREEN_01 = "startx -query 192.168.5.254" Will make your first VT (open an X session with the server at 192.168.5.254 [which is where I have my FC5 server.] Of course, you probably don't want to change things for all your users without testing first, so instead of [Default] use a section with the name of your workstation. And instead of SCREEN_01 use SCREEN_02. Then you can access the new server on the second VT by hitting Ctrl-Alt-F2 (and the SCREEN_01 definition using Ctrl-Alt-F1) I have my home directories on an nfs server and authentication served via ldap (set up to connect to ldap while installing the FC5 server) so I set those up before reconfiguring the ltsp server. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu Mar 23 19:04:05 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:04:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: LTSP Frappr map missing? Message-ID: <4422F125.20104@maltzen.net> Anyone else having trouble finding the LTSP map that Steve Hargadon started on Frappr? My bookmark doesn't work anymore, and I don't see it listed under the site's Groups. Petre From thepiano at telenet.be Thu Mar 23 19:13:36 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:13:36 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP In-Reply-To: <20060323060548.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0dabb3dee0.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060323060548.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0dabb3dee0.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <6F44B40B-5E31-412F-8A0E-E3A2F85F930B@telenet.be> Thnx from Belgium tooo ;-) Op 23-mrt-06, om 14:05 heeft rmcdaniel at indata.us het volgende geschreven: > Thanks for all of your hard work Eric! > > > Ron > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP >> From: Eric Harrison >> Date: Wed, March 22, 2006 3:42 pm >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> >> Jarod Watkins wrote: >>> So with all this talk about Fedora Core 5, has anyone gotten LTSP >>> to run >>> on it? Because i downloaded FC5 last night and tried a clean >>> install of >>> LTSP, and ran into problems. Maybe i did something wrong, but i >>> was just >>> wondering if anyone had any luck so far. Thanks! >>> >> >> It only took me a few minutes to get the LTSP packages from FC4 to >> work >> on FC5, but it did require some minor tweaking. FC5 has the shiny new >> modular X setup that has all of the bits located in different places >> than they were in the past + it has a shiny new version of GNOME >> which >> has a different configuration setup for GDM. >> >> For the FC5-based version of K12LTSP, I'm going to use the >> soon-to-be-released LTSP version 4.2. I hope to have a beta ready >> this >> weekend, I only have a small handful of show-stoppers I need to >> resolve... >> >> -Eric >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 20:46:23 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:46:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> References: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> Message-ID: On 3/22/06, Liam Marshall wrote: > I am currently running K12LTSP (ver 4.4.1 I believe) on a dual xeon 3.06 MHz > computer with 4-80 Gb SATA drives configured on a megaraid-4 controller raid > 1+0. 2 nics, and 1 is even a gigabyte nic, but all the switches involved in > my network are 10/100, so it is not being utilized I wonder how your RAID 1+0 SATA would fair against a RAID 1 on a pair of 15K rpm SCSI drives. My guess is that the scsi setup would be much better. Other issue could be your mem controllers FSB bottleneck. Your Xeons are working with your single mem controller at 533Mhz or 800Mhz depending on the age of your system. Opterons (with dedicated built in mem controllers) have a much better memory throughput and latency then the Xeons. But I still think the hard drives speed is your problem. > > > When I teach, I frequently run into situations where the kids are > doing/accessing the same thing at virtually the same time. For example, IMO it's a disk access speed issue. > they might all try to start StarOffice Text at more or less the same time. > Regardless of the app, near simultaneous execution of the program bogs down > network. Once in, most apps perform well enough, some notable ones do not, > like NetBeans. (it is fine with 5-10 but a pig when 20 use it at the same Netbeans is a Java app. Memory hog and slow. Try using another IDE written in C or C++ like Anjuta or Kdevelop. Personally I like Anjuta. Not sure if you will get the same integration for building java apps as netbeans though. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 20:56:31 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:56:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP In-Reply-To: <4421C4D3.6000603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44218B70.6090702@jxxtech.net> <4421C4D3.6000603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 3/22/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > For the FC5-based version of K12LTSP, I'm going to use the > soon-to-be-released LTSP version 4.2. I hope to have a beta ready this > weekend, I only have a small handful of show-stoppers I need to resolve... What new features / enhancements are in LTSP 4.2? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Thu Mar 23 21:20:49 2006 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:20:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> Message-ID: <4scqte$1pap3t@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> If I was to get permission to spend money for a clustering option, which apps from my original post would you suggest to run on an appserver? More importantly, how do I set up an appserver? Pointing me to a how to would be great. __________________________________________ I am Homer of Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is fut......Hmmmm....DONUTS! _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Liam Marshall Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:32 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue I administer a network at a K-12 school in Winnipeg Manitoba. I also teach grades 9-12 computer classes, while other teachers use the lab for their classes. I am currently running K12LTSP (ver 4.4.1 I believe) on a dual xeon 3.06 MHz computer with 4-80 Gb SATA drives configured on a megaraid-4 controller raid 1+0. 2 nics, and 1 is even a gigabyte nic, but all the switches involved in my network are 10/100, so it is not being utilized All applications are run from this one server, except I have a stand alone box that does nothing except host our school's mail. Currently connecting 35 thin clients which run a variety of applications the most important of which are StarOffice 7 applications, Firefox for surfing/research/ etc, and NetBeans 3.6 IDE for java programming, and KTOUCH. Elementary classes use such things as TuxPaint, TuxType. When I teach, I frequently run into situations where the kids are doing/accessing the same thing at virtually the same time. For example, they might all try to start StarOffice Text at more or less the same time. Regardless of the app, near simultaneous execution of the program bogs down network. Once in, most apps perform well enough, some notable ones do not, like NetBeans. (it is fine with 5-10 but a pig when 20 use it at the same time.) And at the end of any class, when 30 ish users all try to log out, the log out process itself is quite slow. I am looking for ways to increase speed/traffic throughput. This is what I plan to do. Please tell me if I am on the right track. Run DSL modem into a 8 port 10/100/1000 switch. Plug a Linksys router into switch to grab the outside IP. Plug the slower 10/100 nic from the server into the Linksys router (internet is limited anyway, so a gigabyte connection would be wasted, right) Run the gigabyte nic from the server into the gigabyte switch. Upgrade my lab switches to 10/100 's but with Gigabyte backbones, which I will use to connect them to the Gigabyte switch Any expansion in the school will use switches with gigabyte backbones to connect to the main, all gigabyte switch I planned to do this because from my reading of this list, and others, I had gathered/assumed that this would have a significant positive impact on speed/throughput. But today I talked to someone who told me that this won't help all that much because my biggest problem/bottleneck is not the lack of a Gigabyte backbone, but is the hard drive accessbottleneck on the server The solution I was planning above is far less expensive than say adding a few more servers to do clustering. I have the ok for the Gigabyte solution, but doubt I would get the funds for the clustering option, or have the space currently, to host the extra boxes. (space is that tight!) Will my plan help at all? Or am I wasting time/money. Please advice. Advice/opinions are welcome __________________________________________ I am Homer of Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is fut......Hmmmm....DONUTS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 3/22/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Mar 23 22:19:55 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:19:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: References: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> Message-ID: <45755.70.33.151.214.1143152395.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> you have one of the fathers of ltsp right in Winipeg if you need a hand..Look up Scottie on irc #ltsp freenode.net...chuck From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 22:38:17 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:08:17 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: References: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> Message-ID: <774593a20603231438n2267f8e4n@mail.gmail.com> > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Thursday, March 23, 2006 at 12:31 AM +0000 wrote: > >I am currently running K12LTSP (ver 4.4.1 I believe) on a dual xeon 3.06 > >MHz computer with 4-80 Gb SATA drives configured on a megaraid-4 > >controller raid 1+0. 2 nics, and 1 is even a gigabyte nic, but all the > >switches involved in my network are 10/100, so it is not being utilized Are SATA drives upto speed? Me thinks that this here is your likely bottleneck. IMHO while it is true that program libs space is common users data or temp files need to read/written for all users and here SCSI drives would shine. Run something like iptraf to see what max I/O rates are achieved on the "local" ethernet card to determine if network is really the problem. Similarly some thins like xosview or disk specific I/O ststus program would show how much read writes are occuring. I run "munin" and see daily/weekly stats to see bottlenecks. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 23:10:11 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:10:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP In-Reply-To: <20060323060548.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0dabb3dee0.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060323060548.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0dabb3dee0.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603231510m1d03566aoba34a8dce0eb1e84@mail.gmail.com> Eric, I did a clean install on several boxes (64 bit and 32 bit) all had the same problem. No terminals would boot with PXE or the floppy. My earlier posts have the details. I took the defaults for the all the installs I did last week. I even tried to do a just an FC5 install (not K12LTSP) but that failed to even install. Finally last night I downloaded the new ISOs from redhat. I just finished installing FC5 a few minutes ago. Its looks good so far. Jack On 3/23/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > Thanks for all of your hard work Eric! > > > Ron > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP > > From: Eric Harrison > > Date: Wed, March 22, 2006 3:42 pm > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > Jarod Watkins wrote: > > > So with all this talk about Fedora Core 5, has anyone gotten LTSP to > run > > > on it? Because i downloaded FC5 last night and tried a clean install > of > > > LTSP, and ran into problems. Maybe i did something wrong, but i was > just > > > wondering if anyone had any luck so far. Thanks! > > > > > > > It only took me a few minutes to get the LTSP packages from FC4 to work > > on FC5, but it did require some minor tweaking. FC5 has the shiny new > > modular X setup that has all of the bits located in different places > > than they were in the past + it has a shiny new version of GNOME which > > has a different configuration setup for GDM. > > > > For the FC5-based version of K12LTSP, I'm going to use the > > soon-to-be-released LTSP version 4.2. I hope to have a beta ready this > > weekend, I only have a small handful of show-stoppers I need to > resolve... > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 23:14:18 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:14:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: References: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603231514s400e5881qa6caa5785fdd6cbd@mail.gmail.com> I'd say you are on the right track also. You didn't say how much RAM you had. If you can fit more then do it. Jack On 3/23/06, David Trask wrote: > > You are on the right track....the gig card (serving the apps to the > terminals) needs to come out of the server and go into a gig port on a > switch.....after that you can go 100baseT....at least the data coming from > the server is at full speed. > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Thursday, March 23, 2006 at 12:31 AM +0000 wrote: > >I administer a network at a K-12 school in Winnipeg Manitoba. I also > >teach grades 9-12 computer classes, while other teachers use the lab for > >their classes. > > > >I am currently running K12LTSP (ver 4.4.1 I believe) on a dual xeon 3.06 > >MHz computer with 4-80 Gb SATA drives configured on a megaraid-4 > >controller raid 1+0. 2 nics, and 1 is even a gigabyte nic, but all the > >switches involved in my network are 10/100, so it is not being utilized > > > >All applications are run from this one server, except I have a stand > >alone box that does nothing except host our school's mail. Currently > >connecting 35 thin clients which run a variety of applications the most > >important of which are StarOffice 7 applications, Firefox for > >surfing/research/ etc, and NetBeans 3.6 IDE for java programming, and > >KTOUCH. Elementary classes use such things as TuxPaint, TuxType. > > > >When I teach, I frequently run into situations where the kids are > >doing/accessing the same thing at virtually the same time. For example, > >they might all try to start StarOffice Text at more or less the same > >time. Regardless of the app, near simultaneous execution of the program > >bogs down network. Once in, most apps perform well enough, some notable > >ones do not, like NetBeans. (it is fine with 5-10 but a pig when 20 use > >it at the same time.) And at the end of any class, when 30 ish users all > >try to log out, the log out process itself is quite slow. > > > >I am looking for ways to increase speed/traffic throughput. This is what > >I plan to do. Please tell me if I am on the right track. > > > >Run DSL modem into a 8 port 10/100/1000 switch. > >Plug a Linksys router into switch to grab the outside IP. Plug the > >slower 10/100 nic from the server into the Linksys router (internet is > >limited anyway, so a gigabyte connection would be wasted, right) > >Run the gigabyte nic from the server into the gigabyte switch. > >Upgrade my lab switches to 10/100 's but with Gigabyte backbones, which I > >will use to connect them to the Gigabyte switch > >Any expansion in the school will use switches with gigabyte backbones to > >connect to the main, all gigabyte switch > > > >I planned to do this because from my reading of this list, and others, I > >had gathered/assumed that this would have a significant positive impact > >on speed/throughput. But today I talked to someone who told me that this > >won't help all that much because my biggest problem/bottleneck is not the > >lack of a Gigabyte backbone, but is the hard drive accessbottleneck on > >the server > > > > The solution I was planning above is far less expensive than say adding > >a few more servers to do clustering. I have the ok for the Gigabyte > >solution, but doubt I would get the funds for the clustering option, or > >have the space currently, to host the extra boxes. (space is that > >tight!) Will my plan help at all? Or am I wasting time/money. > > > >Please advice. Advice/opinions are welcome > >__________________________________________ > >I am Homer of Borg. You will be assimilated. > >Resistance is fut......Hmmmm....DONUTS! > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 3/22/2006 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Fri Mar 24 01:17:29 2006 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:17:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> Message-ID: <4scqte$1pd8dt@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> If I was to get permission to spend money for a clustering option, which apps from my original post would you suggest to run on an appserver? More importantly, how do I set up an appserver? Pointing me to a how to would be great. __________________________________________ I am Homer of Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is fut......Hmmmm....DONUTS! _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Liam Marshall Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:32 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue I administer a network at a K-12 school in Winnipeg Manitoba. I also teach grades 9-12 computer classes, while other teachers use the lab for their classes. I am currently running K12LTSP (ver 4.4.1 I believe) on a dual xeon 3.06 MHz computer with 4-80 Gb SATA drives configured on a megaraid-4 controller raid 1+0. 2 nics, and 1 is even a gigabyte nic, but all the switches involved in my network are 10/100, so it is not being utilized All applications are run from this one server, except I have a stand alone box that does nothing except host our school?s mail. Currently connecting 35 thin clients which run a variety of applications the most important of which are StarOffice 7 applications, Firefox for surfing/research/ etc, and NetBeans 3.6 IDE for java programming, and KTOUCH. Elementary classes use such things as TuxPaint, TuxType. When I teach, I frequently run into situations where the kids are doing/accessing the same thing at virtually the same time. For example, they might all try to start StarOffice Text at more or less the same time. Regardless of the app, near simultaneous execution of the program bogs down network. Once in, most apps perform well enough, some notable ones do not, like NetBeans. (it is fine with 5-10 but a pig when 20 use it at the same time.) And at the end of any class, when 30 ish users all try to log out, the log out process itself is quite slow. I am looking for ways to increase speed/traffic throughput. This is what I plan to do. Please tell me if I am on the right track. Run DSL modem into a 8 port 10/100/1000 switch. Plug a Linksys router into switch to grab the outside IP. Plug the slower 10/100 nic from the server into the Linksys router (internet is limited anyway, so a gigabyte connection would be wasted, right) Run the gigabyte nic from the server into the gigabyte switch. Upgrade my lab switches to 10/100 ?s but with Gigabyte backbones, which I will use to connect them to the Gigabyte switch Any expansion in the school will use switches with gigabyte backbones to connect to the main, all gigabyte switch I planned to do this because from my reading of this list, and others, I had gathered/assumed that this would have a significant positive impact on speed/throughput. But today I talked to someone who told me that this won?t help all that much because my biggest problem/bottleneck is not the lack of a Gigabyte backbone, but is the hard drive accessbottleneck on the server The solution I was planning above is far less expensive than say adding a few more servers to do clustering. I have the ok for the Gigabyte solution, but doubt I would get the funds for the clustering option, or have the space currently, to host the extra boxes. (space is that tight!) Will my plan help at all? Or am I wasting time/money. Please advice. Advice/opinions are welcome __________________________________________ I am Homer of Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is fut......Hmmmm....DONUTS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 3/22/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.0/290 - Release Date: 3/23/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.0/290 - Release Date: 3/23/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Mar 24 02:23:13 2006 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:23:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Xen in FC5...what does this mean for us? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44235811.30201@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >Hey folks.... > >I see now that XEN virtualization is built in to Fedora Core 5.....I'm >curious as to folks ideas and suggestions on how this can be leveraged to >help us in K12LTSP......ideas? Thoughts? > > XEN has low overhead, but I don't see how it could improve what LTSP does for providing applications to end-users. The best use I can think of for XEN in an educational environment would be on a server hosting guest linux machines for each student or team of students to be root and learn linux sysadmin skills. Each XEN guest machine would be a sandbox a student could break, that could be restored by copying a base guest system image file, without impacting other students. And it would not require dedicating a computer to each student or team to provide them that isolation. Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #804005699817957 From piritarodo at hotmail.com Fri Mar 24 03:42:55 2006 From: piritarodo at hotmail.com (Alejandro Mel) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:42:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] sound in 10 terminals is it possible??? Message-ID: First of all I have to say I really appreciate the very useful answers that everybody send me for example thanks a lot to Huck and Mike Mendly who are always helping me.... In this opportunity Iam writing in order to ask about SOUND in ltsp... I know I can playback mp3 in terminals , but I want to know if I can install for example 7 sound cards in 7 terrminals, and for example 3 terminals want to play mp3 and the other 4 are just browsing the web, doing sound conference with msn listening flash animations....I have to say I know I need a powerfull server to carry out these sort of tasks, I am thinking on a p4 2.8Ghz with 2GB RAM and raid 0 sata It is possible to install that amount of sound cards in the net (7-10 soundcards)????? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Amor: busca tu ? naranja http://latam.msn.com/amor/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 24 04:47:54 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:47:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: LTSP Frappr map missing? In-Reply-To: <4422F125.20104@maltzen.net> References: <4422F125.20104@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > Anyone else having trouble finding the LTSP map that Steve Hargadon started on > Frappr? My bookmark doesn't work anymore, and I don't see it listed under the > site's Groups. > > Petre Either of these works for me: http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp http://k12ltsp.com/ -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 24 04:59:34 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:59:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP In-Reply-To: <442255FA.4080901@jxxtech.net> References: <44218B70.6090702@jxxtech.net> <4421C4D3.6000603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <442255FA.4080901@jxxtech.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Jarod Watkins wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> It only took me a few minutes to get the LTSP packages from FC4 to work on >> FC5, but it did require some minor tweaking. FC5 has the shiny new modular X >> setup that has all of the bits located in different places than they were in >> the past + it has a shiny new version of GNOME which has a different >> configuration setup for GDM. >> >> For the FC5-based version of K12LTSP, I'm going to use the >> soon-to-be-released LTSP version 4.2. I hope to have a beta ready this >> weekend, I only have a small handful of show-stoppers I need to resolve... >> >> -Eric > If you don't mind, would you tell me what you did? i really would like to get > FC5 setup if i could! Thanks! I give it a good solid 80% chance that I'll have usable (but still very beta) ISO images uploaded in the next 12 hours. I just worked through one of the show-stoppers[1] and am banging on another right now. To give instructions on the hacks I did earlier, I'd have to do a fresh install and try to repeat the processes - which would take me an hour or two. I think it is a better use of my time getting out a decent set of install disks ;-) -Eric [1] Thanks Shahms, your guess was right. The package-order generation utility does appear to treat packages with "kernel" in their name differently. Renaming ltsp_i386-kernel to ltsp_i386-boot made the weirdness go away. From william at fragakis.com Fri Mar 24 05:19:26 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:19:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cron to kill users or group? In-Reply-To: <200603240451.k2O4pVxZ012723@listman.util.phx.redhat.com> References: <200603240451.k2O4pVxZ012723@listman.util.phx.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, An issue we frequently have is that repeated instances of programs orphaned eventually bring down a server. It arises from a couple of situations: 1) a client crashing then gets rebooted or 2) multiple instances of a program are opened (eg TuxPaint) instead of using an already open program. The second type is the more difficult because we have a lot of young kids and in a special situation, special needs kids - so we want something transparent to them. We'd rather sort the problem out on the server side than "educate" them since exploring the computer is so much fun for them. I've found scripts that kill a certain user, I've found scripts that kill certain processes but what I'd like is something that ends all the regular user processes, say, at midnight and let's the clients "refresh" without having to reboot or log back in. I don't want to restart the server every night - well, because it's a server and we love our uptime. Is anyone using anything to end the processes for a certain group, say, as a cron job? TIAA William Fragakis Morris Brandon Elementary Side note: AbiWord is so screaming fast to launch and lightweight- any thought about making it part of the default install? Not that it's hard to add but it is so much faster than OO. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 06:44:25 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:44:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: LTSP Frappr map missing? In-Reply-To: <4422F125.20104@maltzen.net> References: <4422F125.20104@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 3/23/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > Anyone else having trouble finding the LTSP map that Steve Hargadon started on Frappr? > My bookmark doesn't work anymore, and I don't see it listed under the site's Groups. > www.k12ltsp.com forwards there. I just tried it. Good to go. -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer Reuse) www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software in Schools) From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 06:47:37 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:47:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP.com Map Almost to 400! Message-ID: The frappr map for Linux thin-client installations is closing in on 400... I really think we should be able to be at 1,000 relatively soon. Does anyone have contact with the groups in: Spain Chile Brazil (Telecentros) If so, adding their installations would make a significant addition. Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer Reuse) www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software in Schools) From nadavkav at netvision.net.il Fri Mar 24 08:39:16 2006 From: nadavkav at netvision.net.il (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:39:16 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: LTSP Frappr map missing? In-Reply-To: <4422F125.20104@maltzen.net> References: <4422F125.20104@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200603241039.16705.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> i think it's : http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp Nadav :-) On Thursday 23 March 2006 21:04, Petre Scheie wrote: > Anyone else having trouble finding the LTSP map that Steve Hargadon started > on Frappr? My bookmark doesn't work anymore, and I don't see it listed > under the site's Groups. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 12:07:24 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:37:24 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: <4scqte$1pap3t@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> References: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> <4scqte$1pap3t@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> Message-ID: <774593a20603240407i18698c7cg@mail.gmail.com> On 24/03/06, Liam Marshall wrote: > > I know I am stickler for this sort of thing but bottom / inline post will make thread most readable. And so would plain text posting ;-) > If I was to get permission to spend money for a clustering option, which > apps from my original post would you suggest to run on an appserver? > A app server would be better idea in theory. But if disk access is the constrain then it is not going away only moving to another server. > More importantly, how do I set up an appserver? Pointing me to a how to > would be great. > Look around archives of this list and you will find pointers. Though personally I have not set up such till date. Max I did was to mount /home from another server through NFS. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Mar 24 12:28:43 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:28:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual CD prgram for linux Message-ID: <1143203323.16091.10.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello list, Does anyone know of a virtual CD program for linux? This could then be accessed by thin clients. Ive googled out and haven't really come up with anything. I'm wanting to possibly set something like this up then see if I can get certain Winders CD's put into this progarm to see if they would run through wine.This may be a good way to run some winders programs and wean people away from Winders in time. I'm afraid trying to install native Winders Virtual CD via wine, I'm going to run into lots of showstopper, caveats. It seems these programs are dodgey at best anyway depending how the installer is setup on the Cd's you are trying to img/load into Virt CD. I have moons ago gotten some to run fairly reliably.Example Encarta, Streets&Trips,Ancestor.I dont think VMWare would be a good fit for all i am wanting to do? Any ideas? Take Care, Barry Cisna From jam at mcquil.com Fri Mar 24 13:17:49 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:17:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <44218B70.6090702@jxxtech.net> <4421C4D3.6000603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4423F17D.3000706@McQuil.com> Robert, Take a look at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/22/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> For the FC5-based version of K12LTSP, I'm going to use the >> soon-to-be-released LTSP version 4.2. I hope to have a beta ready this >> weekend, I only have a small handful of show-stoppers I need to resolve... >> > > What new features / enhancements are in LTSP 4.2? > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 24 14:35:44 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:35:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <44218B70.6090702@jxxtech.net> <4421C4D3.6000603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/22/06, Eric Harrison wrote: >> For the FC5-based version of K12LTSP, I'm going to use the >> soon-to-be-released LTSP version 4.2. I hope to have a beta ready this >> weekend, I only have a small handful of show-stoppers I need to resolve... > > What new features / enhancements are in LTSP 4.2? http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42#New_features_of_LTSP_4_2 -Eric From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 24 14:53:00 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:53:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: References: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> Message-ID: <442407CC.9060800@maltzen.net> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/22/06, Liam Marshall wrote: >> I am currently running K12LTSP (ver 4.4.1 I believe) on a dual xeon 3.06 MHz >> computer with 4-80 Gb SATA drives configured on a megaraid-4 controller raid >> 1+0. 2 nics, and 1 is even a gigabyte nic, but all the switches involved in >> my network are 10/100, so it is not being utilized > > I wonder how your RAID 1+0 SATA would fair against a RAID 1 on a pair > of 15K rpm SCSI drives. My guess is that the scsi setup would be much > better. Other issue could be your mem controllers FSB bottleneck. > Your Xeons are working with your single mem controller at 533Mhz or > 800Mhz depending on the age of your system. Opterons (with dedicated > built in mem controllers) have a much better memory throughput and > latency then the Xeons. But I still think the hard drives speed is > your problem. > I had similar thoughts about whether he should try a pair of mirrored (RAID 1) 15k RPM disks. On pricewatch.com I found 18GB 15k RPM Compaq disks for less than $50 including shipping. So, perhaps you could get two of those, install them on a separate box and use that box as an app server for, say, OOo, just to test it to see if it loads any better. Petre From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 24 15:08:05 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:08:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: <4scqte$1pap3t@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> References: <4scqte$1pap3t@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> Message-ID: <44240B55.3030607@maltzen.net> Clustering and app servers are different things. An app server just means you dedicate a server to providing one application. Since X Windows allows programs to run on one machine and display on another, this is quite easy to do (hey, maybe someone could build a system where all the apps run on one server and the clients could even get their operating system from that server! What?...Oh, never mind. ;-)) Clustering means have a bunch of machines act as a single system. It's good for redundancy and problems that lend themselves to parallel processing, but I think their use in LTSP settings has had mixed results at best. Setting up an app server is pretty simple: -Install the same version of k12ltsp on the app server as you have on your terminal server, to keep things simple. -Create the same user IDs on the app server as exist on the terminal server. -NFS export the /home directory from the terminal server. -Mount that /home directory under /home on the app server. -Generate SSH keys for all users using the ssh-keygen program, and copy the id_rsa.pub file into the authorized_keys file in each users ~/.ssh/ directory. -Setup an icon that calls the app on the app server thusly: ssh appserver ooffice -Push this icon to all users. Gavin Spurgeon wrote a simple how-to on app servers a while back. There's a link to it on the front page of the K12LTSP wiki. HTH Petre Liam Marshall wrote: > If I was to get permission to spend money for a clustering option, which > apps from my original post would you suggest to run on an appserver? > > > > More importantly, how do I set up an appserver? Pointing me to a how to > would be great. > > > > __________________________________________ > > I am Homer of Borg. You will be assimilated. > > Resistance is fut......Hmmmm....DONUTS! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On > Behalf Of *Liam Marshall > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:32 PM > *To:* k12osn at redhat.com > *Subject:* [K12OSN] Performance Issue > > > > I administer a network at a K-12 school in Winnipeg Manitoba. I also > teach grades 9-12 computer classes, while other teachers use the lab for > their classes. > > > > I am currently running K12LTSP (ver 4.4.1 I believe) on a dual xeon 3.06 > MHz computer with 4-80 Gb SATA drives configured on a megaraid-4 > controller raid 1+0. 2 nics, and 1 is even a gigabyte nic, but all the > switches involved in my network are 10/100, so it is not being utilized > > > > All applications are run from this one server, except I have a stand > alone box that does nothing except host our school?s mail. Currently > connecting 35 thin clients which run a variety of applications the most > important of which are StarOffice 7 applications, Firefox for > surfing/research/ etc, and NetBeans 3.6 IDE for java programming, and > KTOUCH. Elementary classes use such things as TuxPaint, TuxType. > > > > When I teach, I frequently run into situations where the kids are > doing/accessing the same thing at virtually the same time. For example, > they might all try to start StarOffice Text at more or less the same > time. Regardless of the app, near simultaneous execution of the program > bogs down network. Once in, most apps perform well enough, some notable > ones do not, like NetBeans. (it is fine with 5-10 but a pig when 20 use > it at the same time.) And at the end of any class, when 30 ish users > all try to log out, the log out process itself is quite slow. > > > > I am looking for ways to increase speed/traffic throughput. This is > what I plan to do. Please tell me if I am on the right track. > > > > Run DSL modem into a 8 port 10/100/1000 switch. > > Plug a Linksys router into switch to grab the outside IP. Plug the > slower 10/100 nic from the server into the Linksys router (internet is > limited anyway, so a gigabyte connection would be wasted, right) > > Run the gigabyte nic from the server into the gigabyte switch. > > Upgrade my lab switches to 10/100 ?s but with Gigabyte backbones, which > I will use to connect them to the Gigabyte switch > > Any expansion in the school will use switches with gigabyte backbones to > connect to the main, all gigabyte switch > > > > I planned to do this because from my reading of this list, and others, I > had gathered/assumed that this would have a significant positive impact > on speed/throughput. But today I talked to someone who told me that > this won?t help all that much because my biggest problem/bottleneck is > not the lack of a Gigabyte backbone, but is the hard drive > accessbottleneck on the server > > > > The solution I was planning above is far less expensive than say adding > a few more servers to do clustering. I have the ok for the Gigabyte > solution, but doubt I would get the funds for the clustering option, or > have the space currently, to host the extra boxes. (space is that > tight!) Will my plan help at all? Or am I wasting time/money. > > > > Please advice. Advice/opinions are welcome > > __________________________________________ > > I am Homer of Borg. You will be assimilated. > > Resistance is fut......Hmmmm....DONUTS! > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 3/22/2006 > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.0/290 - Release Date: 3/23/2006 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.0/290 - Release Date: 3/23/2006 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 24 16:21:38 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:21:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <440E1F96.9090406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44241C92.2040106@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I have uploaded a second test build of what will eventually become K12LTSP 5.0. Same rules apply: this is not fully baked, don't expect it to actually work, if it does happen to work don't use it in production, and all of those other scary warnings. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . New New Notes: This build is based on the official FC5 + all released updates. Previous builds were based on FC5 test 3 or RawHide. I think I have the SELinux/NFS issues ironed out. The default "enforcing" mode should now work. This build uses a month-old version of LTSP from CVS, not all of the shiny new features are there. Packages for the latest-and-greatest LTSP from CVS should be available soon, I just have a couple of packaging building issues to fix. > New Notes: > > DHCP now works. DHCP now works (really this time) > The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. All of the "Add Additional Software" links work, except one of them (can't remember which one ;-). Just a repository issue, will be fixed real-soon-now. Still on the TODO list: > Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a feature, > not a bug. >> Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next >> build. > Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora > install, > you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't automate > this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in order > to turn of "LTSP". >> I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they work >> or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are >> broken. > > > Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a dependancy, > likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts > up without error. > >> I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have no >> idea if they work or not. > -Eric From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 24 17:32:26 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:32:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: LTSP Frappr map missing? In-Reply-To: References: <4422F125.20104@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44242D2A.5030406@maltzen.net> Oh sure, now it's working. ;-) Noticing the the 'pins' have changed, I wonder if that had anything to do with it not working last night (and I tried it from home and from work. Hmmm: my wife's office couldn't get to their outsourced web-based DB last night, either; perhaps there was something funny with DNS in Minneapolis last night.) Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> Anyone else having trouble finding the LTSP map that Steve Hargadon >> started on Frappr? My bookmark doesn't work anymore, and I don't see >> it listed under the site's Groups. >> >> Petre > > Either of these works for me: > > http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp > http://k12ltsp.com/ > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 18:03:42 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:03:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cron to kill users or group? In-Reply-To: References: <200603240451.k2O4pVxZ012723@listman.util.phx.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hello William, You can take one of the scripts that you already found and modify the call to "ps" to display only the jobs you are interested in, for example: To call ps and display only the jobs for the group "students" use ps -G students So one simple script would be: kill `ps -G students | awk '{print$1}'` Darryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 24 18:24:31 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:24:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cron to kill users or group? In-Reply-To: References: <200603240451.k2O4pVxZ012723@listman.util.phx.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4424395F.4020502@maltzen.net> I've been considering something like this: for x in `cat file-of-IDs-to-be-logged-off` do pkill -u $x done for similar reasons. Put the above in a script, call it via root's cron in the middle of the night, and when people arrive in the morning, everyone and their sessions will have been reset. The reason to use a file for the IDs is that you don't want to kill every ID that has things running, for example, root, apache, yourself perhaps, etc. So, in the file you just put your users' IDs. HTH. Petre William Fragakis wrote: > Hi, > An issue we frequently have is that repeated instances of programs > orphaned eventually bring down a server. It arises from a couple of > situations: 1) a client crashing then gets rebooted or 2) multiple > instances of a program are opened (eg TuxPaint) instead of using an > already open program. The second type is the more difficult because we > have a lot of young kids and in a special situation, special needs kids > - so we want something transparent to them. We'd rather sort the problem > out on the server side than "educate" them since exploring the computer > is so much fun for them. I've found scripts that kill a certain user, > I've found scripts that kill certain processes but what I'd like is > something that ends all the regular user processes, say, at midnight and > let's the clients "refresh" without having to reboot or log back in. I > don't want to restart the server every night - well, because it's a > server and we love our uptime. > > Is anyone using anything to end the processes for a certain group, say, > as a cron job? > > TIAA > William Fragakis > Morris Brandon Elementary > > Side note: AbiWord is so screaming fast to launch and lightweight- any > thought about making it part of the default install? Not that it's hard > to add but it is so much faster than OO. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Fri Mar 24 19:49:18 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:49:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cron to kill users or group? In-Reply-To: References: <200603240451.k2O4pVxZ012723@listman.util.phx.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44244D3E.8090400@rogueriver.k12.or.us> William Fragakis wrote: > Hi, > An issue we frequently have is that repeated instances of programs > orphaned eventually bring down a server. It arises from a couple of > situations: 1) a client crashing then gets rebooted or 2) multiple > instances of a program are opened (eg TuxPaint) instead of using an > already open program. The second type is the more difficult because we > have a lot of young kids and in a special situation, special needs kids > - so we want something transparent to them. We'd rather sort the problem > out on the server side than "educate" them since exploring the computer > is so much fun for them. I've found scripts that kill a certain user, > I've found scripts that kill certain processes but what I'd like is > something that ends all the regular user processes, say, at midnight and > let's the clients "refresh" without having to reboot or log back in. I > don't want to restart the server every night - well, because it's a > server and we love our uptime. > > Is anyone using anything to end the processes for a certain group, say, > as a cron job? > > TIAA > William Fragakis > Morris Brandon Elementary > Yes, there is - the program is called "slay" and it's actually a pretty simple shell script. With Debian, just apt-get install slay, and I'm guessing redhat will have it in a yum repository. As far as getting it into cron, it's just a matter of slaying by username with whatever signal you want to pass the processes: usage: slay [-signal] name [name...] Kills all processes belonging to any of the given names. Use -clean as a signal name to kill with TERM first and then with KILL. I once wrote a program called "slayer" to keep generic student accounts off my LTSP lab (because Firefox and OpenOffice don't like multiple instances with the same user account) - it went something like this: #!/bin/sh while true; do sleep 10s slay done Heavy metal references aside, I'm sure you could get something similar into your crontab without much difficulty. Cheers, Mike From jarod at jxxtech.net Fri Mar 24 18:00:00 2006 From: jarod at jxxtech.net (Jarod Watkins) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:00:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <44218B70.6090702@jxxtech.net> <4421C4D3.6000603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <442255FA.4080901@jxxtech.net> Message-ID: <2E206460-58D9-43D0-9A82-58D38AF48666@jxxtech.net> On Mar 23, at 11:59 PM[Mar 23] , Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Jarod Watkins wrote: > >> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> It only took me a few minutes to get the LTSP packages from FC4 >>> to work on FC5, but it did require some minor tweaking. FC5 has >>> the shiny new modular X setup that has all of the bits located in >>> different places than they were in the past + it has a shiny new >>> version of GNOME which has a different configuration setup for GDM. >>> For the FC5-based version of K12LTSP, I'm going to use the soon- >>> to-be-released LTSP version 4.2. I hope to have a beta ready this >>> weekend, I only have a small handful of show-stoppers I need to >>> resolve... >>> -Eric >> If you don't mind, would you tell me what you did? i really would >> like to get FC5 setup if i could! Thanks! > > I give it a good solid 80% chance that I'll have usable (but still > very beta) > ISO images uploaded in the next 12 hours. I just worked through one > of the > show-stoppers[1] and am banging on another right now. > > To give instructions on the hacks I did earlier, I'd have to do a > fresh > install and try to repeat the processes - which would take me an > hour or > two. I think it is a better use of my time getting out a decent set of > install disks ;-) > > -Eric > > [1] Thanks Shahms, your guess was right. The package-order > generation utility > does appear to treat packages with "kernel" in their name > differently. > Renaming ltsp_i386-kernel to ltsp_i386-boot made the weirdness > go away. Hey no problem, i can always take a peek at what you edited and learn for myself! Thanks for all your hard work and I look forward to seeing those disks! From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 24 20:54:03 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:54:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: <774593a20603240407i18698c7cg@mail.gmail.com> References: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> <4scqte$1pap3t@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> <774593a20603240407i18698c7cg@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060324205156.M42389@winonacotter.org> > > More importantly, how do I set up an appserver? Pointing me to a how to > > would be great. I have not tried the tutorial here but read it a few times. Seems very complete and easy to follow. I think this would be one of your best starts. It was written a few versions of K12ltsp ago but I assume the concepts are mostly the same. If you have any trouble I am sure you can use the contact page to get ahold of Gavin Spurgeon. He wrote the tutorials and used to be part of this list, if not still. http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/appserverI.htm -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 24 21:14:30 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:14:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] test message -- ignore Message-ID: This is a test message that you can ignore. I'm sending it from a different location as my messages don't seem to be getting to the list. Petre From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Mar 24 21:21:02 2006 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah S.) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:21:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual CD prgram for linux Message-ID: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FAD74585@rebekah.bible.edu> You can make an ISO and mount it where ever you like using a command like mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/iso /path/to/mnt/ Is that what you mean? JSR/ > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Barry Cisna > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:29 AM > To: K12OSN > Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual CD prgram for linux > > Hello list, > > Does anyone know of a virtual CD program for linux? This could then be > accessed by thin clients. Ive googled out and haven't really come up > with anything. I'm wanting to possibly set something like this up then > see if I can get certain Winders CD's put into this progarm to see if > they would run through wine.This may be a good way to run some winders > programs and wean people away from Winders in time. I'm afraid trying to > install native Winders Virtual CD via wine, I'm going to run into lots > of showstopper, caveats. It seems these programs are dodgey at best > anyway depending how the installer is setup on the Cd's you are trying > to img/load into Virt CD. I have moons ago gotten some to run fairly > reliably.Example Encarta, Streets&Trips,Ancestor.I dont think VMWare > would be a good fit for all i am wanting to do? > Any ideas? > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 21:52:33 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:52:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <44241C92.2040106@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <440E1F96.9090406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44241C92.2040106@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603241352j371759ddu15185ccf2954a4e2@mail.gmail.com> I'll give it a crack tonight. Thanks On 3/24/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > I have uploaded a second test build of what will eventually become > K12LTSP 5.0. Same rules apply: this is not fully baked, don't expect it > to actually work, if it does happen to work don't use it in production, > and all of those other scary warnings. > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . > > > > New New Notes: > > > This build is based on the official FC5 + all released updates. Previous > builds were based on FC5 test 3 or RawHide. > > I think I have the SELinux/NFS issues ironed out. The default > "enforcing" mode should now work. > > This build uses a month-old version of LTSP from CVS, not all of the > shiny new features are there. Packages for the latest-and-greatest LTSP > from CVS should be available soon, I just have a couple of packaging > building issues to fix. > > > > > New Notes: > > > > DHCP now works. > > DHCP now works (really this time) > > > The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. > > All of the "Add Additional Software" links work, except one of them > (can't remember which one ;-). Just a repository issue, will be fixed > real-soon-now. > > > Still on the TODO list: > > > Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a > feature, > > not a bug. > > >> Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next > >> build. > > Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora > > install, > > you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't > automate > > this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in > order > > to turn of "LTSP". > > >> I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they > work > >> or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are > >> broken. > > > > > > Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a dependancy, > > likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts > > up without error. > > > >> I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have > no > >> idea if they work or not. > > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But if disk access is the >constrain then it is not going away only moving to another server. > > > If a lot of clients are using and app like say Openoffice, wouldn't moving that app to its own server reduce disk overhead on the ltsp server. Same thing with /home on another server. Wouldn't this free up the HD on the LTSP server to focus on serving X sessions? Krsnendu dasa From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 24 22:53:36 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:53:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cron to kill users or group? In-Reply-To: <44244D3E.8090400@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <200603240451.k2O4pVxZ012723@listman.util.phx.redhat.com> <44244D3E.8090400@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44247870.50306@mesd.k12.or.us> Mike Ely wrote: > Yes, there is - the program is called "slay" and it's actually a pretty > simple shell script. With Debian, just apt-get install slay, and I'm > guessing redhat will have it in a yum repository. I'm not familiar with slay. How would that differ from: # pkill -u username -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From roy at mpk.com Fri Mar 24 22:24:07 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:24:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <44241C92.2040106@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200603242256.k2OMuKeE013666@mx1.redhat.com> Eric, Awesome! I'm trying it right now. Is this 64bit? One thing I am bummed out about is the way they broke the sata_nv. This is preventing me from installing my raid with the FC5 code. I have been using the soft array for my "/home" drive. It used to work on FC5t2. Do you know any tricks on how I can select a different driver when I do "linux noprobe"? Sorry to bother you with this but I am not getting any answers from my bug posting. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:22 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP I have uploaded a second test build of what will eventually become K12LTSP 5.0. Same rules apply: this is not fully baked, don't expect it to actually work, if it does happen to work don't use it in production, and all of those other scary warnings. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . New New Notes: This build is based on the official FC5 + all released updates. Previous builds were based on FC5 test 3 or RawHide. I think I have the SELinux/NFS issues ironed out. The default "enforcing" mode should now work. This build uses a month-old version of LTSP from CVS, not all of the shiny new features are there. Packages for the latest-and-greatest LTSP from CVS should be available soon, I just have a couple of packaging building issues to fix. > New Notes: > > DHCP now works. DHCP now works (really this time) > The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. All of the "Add Additional Software" links work, except one of them (can't remember which one ;-). Just a repository issue, will be fixed real-soon-now. Still on the TODO list: > Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a feature, > not a bug. >> Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next >> build. > Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora > install, > you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't automate > this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in order > to turn of "LTSP". >> I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they work >> or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are >> broken. > > > Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a dependancy, > likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts > up without error. > >> I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have no >> idea if they work or not. > -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 24 23:07:02 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:07:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual CD prgram for linux In-Reply-To: <1143203323.16091.10.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1143203323.16091.10.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <1143241622.30557.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 06:28, Barry Cisna wrote: > Does anyone know of a virtual CD program for linux? This could then be > accessed by thin clients. Ive googled out and haven't really come up > with anything. I'm wanting to possibly set something like this up then > see if I can get certain Winders CD's put into this progarm to see if > they would run through wine.This may be a good way to run some winders > programs and wean people away from Winders in time. I'm afraid trying to > install native Winders Virtual CD via wine, I'm going to run into lots > of showstopper, caveats. It seems these programs are dodgey at best > anyway depending how the installer is setup on the Cd's you are trying > to img/load into Virt CD. I have moons ago gotten some to run fairly > reliably.Example Encarta, Streets&Trips,Ancestor.I dont think VMWare > would be a good fit for all i am wanting to do? > Any ideas? Most programs don't really care if their data is on a CD or not, so you can just copy the contents of the CD to an appropriate subdirectory on the server. Only copy protected CD's or ones with music tracks would need the extra functions of virtual CD. You can also dd the whole CD into an iso image file and mount it with a loopback mount, but that is more complicated unless you are planning to make copies of the iso. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Mar 24 23:17:25 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:17:25 -0700 Subject: Eric- Re: [K12OSN] FC 5 and LTSP Message-ID: Hi Eric- I'm at home again with another knee reconstruction and have unmedicated time on my hands here. I was about to install the FC5 64 bit DVD and then push ltsp 4.1 onto it. The LTSP guys on IRC told me you're setting up the new ltsp4.2... I'ld love to test run the 4.2, so I've got my wife's home backed up and am ready to go with it whenever you need a few test dumbies! Drop me a line- Jim jim at linux.ca >Eric Harrison wrote: >>It only took me a few minutes to get the LTSP packages from FC4 to work on >>FC5, but it did require some minor tweaking... From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Fri Mar 24 23:44:41 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:44:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cron to kill users or group? In-Reply-To: <44247870.50306@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200603240451.k2O4pVxZ012723@listman.util.phx.redhat.com> <44244D3E.8090400@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <44247870.50306@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44248469.5050007@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Dan Young wrote: > Mike Ely wrote: >> Yes, there is - the program is called "slay" and it's actually a pretty >> simple shell script. With Debian, just apt-get install slay, and I'm >> guessing redhat will have it in a yum repository. > > I'm not familiar with slay. How would that differ from: > > # pkill -u username > It's a little more verbose, a lot more amusing, and works for me: http://dante.rogueriver.k12.or.us/misc/slay.txt (uses kill with flags rather than pkill) Cheers, Mike From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Mar 25 00:21:12 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:21:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] using vnc to server i have to add xhost +localhost Message-ID: <1143246072.13958.18.camel@server1.cisna> Hello List, Now that Ive updated a couple of our servers to FC4-K12LTSP 4.4.1 when doing server mait using vnc, to access most of the "system" menu items before they will show up i have to do a xhost +localhost then they will work fine. I ment to say they always show up in the menu items but they will not actually open until i do a commandline " xhost +localhost". I finally setup a cron job to do this hourly, but im sure there is a reason for this that i am too stupid to figure how to do the correct fix for this. Also, there is no restart as root. I read long ago, how to add the restart & shutdown into the menu as root and i could not find were you add these entries for this to appear in the log off menu? Thanks, Barry Cisna From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Mar 25 01:11:51 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:11:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Where to find K12LTSP rpms for Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: I'm reading the posts backwards and just found your message... How do I just find the latest ltsp/k12ltsp packages built from the CVS LTSP4.2? I've already got a FC5 64 bit dvd... Thanks Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------- After beating my head against the monitor for a couple of weeks, I made a big break-through today on producing a Fedora Core 5 version of K12LTSP. (based on FC5 test 3) This is very rough around the edges and has many obvious, glaring bugs. But with a little TLC, it has been known to boot a terminal or two. If you are one of those crazy and foolish types that like to wreak your computer with known-broken, pre-alpha software, here is where I have placed the voodoo: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . From ramonklown at pop.com.br Sat Mar 25 01:51:06 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:51:06 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Performance Issue In-Reply-To: <774593a20603240407i18698c7cg@mail.gmail.com> References: <4scqte$1p3dj6@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net><4scqte$1pap3t@wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net> <774593a20603240407i18698c7cg@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54108.200.217.246.89.1143251466.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 02:34:50 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:34:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cron to kill users or group? In-Reply-To: <4424395F.4020502@maltzen.net> References: <200603240451.k2O4pVxZ012723@listman.util.phx.redhat.com> <4424395F.4020502@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 3/24/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > I've been considering something like this: > > for x in `cat file-of-IDs-to-be-logged-off` > do > pkill -u $x > done How about something like this for x in `last | grep 'still logged in' | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq` do pkill -u $x done -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From piritarodo at hotmail.com Sat Mar 25 02:56:26 2006 From: piritarodo at hotmail.com (Alejandro Mel) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:56:26 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] alive ip in lan Message-ID: Hello everybody..... First of all thanks alot for your answers I want to know if exists an X application under RedHat fedora 4 that can show ONLINE LAN IPS, for example if I have 10 pcs in my lan a program that show 10 pc pictures showing which are alive and wich not.... and if it is possible not only tellme is alive but also tellme who has logged into the KDE..... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Amor: busca tu ? naranja http://latam.msn.com/amor/ From caldodge at fpcc.net Sat Mar 25 03:44:28 2006 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:44:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200603242256.k2OMuKeE013666@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200603242256.k2OMuKeE013666@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4424BC9C.6070409@fpcc.net> Roy wrote: > Eric, > > Awesome! I'm trying it right now. Is this 64bit? > > One thing I am bummed out about is the way they broke the sata_nv. This is > preventing me from installing my raid with the FC5 code. I have been using > the soft array for my "/home" drive. It used to work on FC5t2. Do you know > any tricks on how I can select a different driver when I do "linux noprobe"? > Sorry to bother you with this but I am not getting any answers from my bug > posting. Have you tried adding "noapic"? That worked for me. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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By the time you get to this post, you will have read that currently there are no LTSP4.2 CVS packages - I'm still working on them ;-) -Eric From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 04:34:10 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:04:10 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] alive ip in lan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20603242034v10cadfd2l@mail.gmail.com> On 25/03/06, Alejandro Mel wrote: > Hello everybody..... First of all thanks alot for your answers > > I want to know if exists an X application under RedHat fedora 4 that can > show ONLINE LAN IPS, for example if I have 10 pcs in my lan a program that > show 10 pc pictures showing which are alive and wich not.... and if it is > possible not only tellme is alive but also tellme who has logged into the > KDE..... Not a GUI but iptraf can do this with added advantage of showing bandwidth usage. EtherApe can be another GUI approach. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 04:40:20 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:10:20 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] cron to kill users or group? In-Reply-To: References: <200603240451.k2O4pVxZ012723@listman.util.phx.redhat.com> <4424395F.4020502@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a20603242040q66448731j@mail.gmail.com> On 25/03/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/24/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > How about something like this > > for x in `last | grep 'still logged in' | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq` > do > pkill -u $x > done > This woul knock off even terminal / ssh sessions. Maybe you need to add in string: grep ws|grep ltsp| Assuming your domain is ltsp and you have used naming convention of ws001....ws200... etc. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From rmcdaniel at indata.us Sat Mar 25 04:42:23 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:42:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] alive ip in lan Message-ID: <20060324214223.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.ee3cae8cba.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Nagios is also another nice net manager. Here is a list of some available. http://loll.sourceforge.net/linux/links/Networking/Network_Management/ Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] alive ip in lan > From: "Sudev Barar" > Date: Fri, March 24, 2006 10:34 pm > To: correo at meltech.com.ar, "Support list for opensource software in > schools." > > On 25/03/06, Alejandro Mel wrote: > > Hello everybody..... First of all thanks alot for your answers > > > > I want to know if exists an X application under RedHat fedora 4 that can > > show ONLINE LAN IPS, for example if I have 10 pcs in my lan a program that > > show 10 pc pictures showing which are alive and wich not.... and if it is > > possible not only tellme is alive but also tellme who has logged into the > > KDE..... > > Not a GUI but iptraf can do this with added advantage of showing > bandwidth usage. > EtherApe can be another GUI approach. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From roy at mpk.com Sat Mar 25 04:22:18 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:22:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <4424BC9C.6070409@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <200603250450.k2P4ok1p018061@mx3.redhat.com> I appreciate the tip but it's an issue with a change that Fedora made in their kernel and sata_nv. I tried it just in case but no luck. Help! Maybe I will have to switch back to Edubuntu. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Calvin Dodge Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:44 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP Roy wrote: > Eric, > > Awesome! I'm trying it right now. Is this 64bit? > > One thing I am bummed out about is the way they broke the sata_nv. This is > preventing me from installing my raid with the FC5 code. I have been using > the soft array for my "/home" drive. It used to work on FC5t2. Do you know > any tricks on how I can select a different driver when I do "linux noprobe"? > Sorry to bother you with this but I am not getting any answers from my bug > posting. Have you tried adding "noapic"? That worked for me. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Sat Mar 25 14:12:04 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:12:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual-Core opterons? Message-ID: Greetings, Does anyone have any experience using the newer dual-core opterons in their ltsp servers? My most recent servers have all been dual processor opterons, but as opposed to spending $180 for a single core opteron, I can spend roughly $330 for the dual-core versions. I'm thinking that two dual-core opterons would offer incredible performance in our lab of approx 30 clients. Any thoughts or advice? Thanks, Brad Johnson From smooge at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 20:28:31 2006 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:28:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual-Core opterons? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80d7e4090603251228x438d92dcxd20815d8efe6dbe@mail.gmail.com> On 3/25/06, Brad Johnson wrote: > Greetings, > > Does anyone have any experience using the newer dual-core opterons in > their ltsp servers? My most recent servers have all been dual > processor opterons, but as opposed to spending $180 for a single core > opteron, I can spend roughly $330 for the dual-core versions. I'm > thinking that two dual-core opterons would offer incredible > performance in our lab of approx 30 clients. Any thoughts or advice? > My experience with dual core(DC) has been mostly limited to dealing with motherboards not understanding DC very well. Lots of BIOS updates and odd hangs and such that turn out to be dual core issues. I would make sure that you get a mother board/upstream manufacturer that has a good guarentee with DC. > Thanks, > > Brad Johnson > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Mar 25 22:37:16 2006 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:37:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <44241C92.2040106@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <440E1F96.9090406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44241C92.2040106@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <8C81E73CDC092B2-E78-C160@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> Hi Eric, Once again you and the team deserve congrats for a great job FC5 installed without error on a dual boot system, fast sleek environment. Now that's just a first impression but WOW thks norbert -----Original Message----- From: Eric Harrison To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:21:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP I have uploaded a second test build of what will eventually become K12LTSP 5.0. Same rules apply: this is not fully baked, don't expect it to actually work, if it does happen to work don't use it in production, and all of those other scary warnings. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . New New Notes: This build is based on the official FC5 + all released updates. Previous builds were based on FC5 test 3 or RawHide. I think I have the SELinux/NFS issues ironed out. The default "enforcing" mode should now work. This build uses a month-old version of LTSP from CVS, not all of the shiny new features are there. Packages for the latest-and-greatest LTSP from CVS should be available soon, I just have a couple of packaging building issues to fix. > New Notes: > > DHCP now works. DHCP now works (really this time) > The "Add Additional Software" links are broken. All of the "Add Additional Software" links work, except one of them (can't remember which one ;-). Just a repository issue, will be fixed real-soon-now. Still on the TODO list: > Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a feature, > not a bug. >> Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next >> build. > Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora > install, > you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't automate > this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in order > to turn of "LTSP". >> I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they work >> or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are >> broken. > > > Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a dependancy, > likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts > up without error. > >> I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have no >> idea if they work or not. > -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com From robark at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 22:38:59 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:38:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual-Core opterons? In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090603251228x438d92dcxd20815d8efe6dbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e4090603251228x438d92dcxd20815d8efe6dbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/25/06, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > My experience with dual core(DC) has been mostly limited to dealing > with motherboards not understanding DC very well. Lots of BIOS updates > and odd hangs and such that turn out to be dual core issues. I would > make sure that you get a mother board/upstream manufacturer that has a > good guarentee with DC. Another point is stable DC support has only recently been added to the linux kernel. Use a k12ltsp distro based on Centos 4.2 or later (4.3 just came out) or the soon to be released FC5. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From chuck at ckollars.org Sat Mar 25 22:50:45 2006 From: chuck at ckollars.org (Chuck Kollars) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:50:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] create Samba homedirs automagically Message-ID: <4425C945.9D67A1F5@ckollars.org> I (apparently like lots of others:-) had problems creating homedirs before they were needed by Samba in our combined middle/high school. Scripts that used to work in a simpler environment (only one Samba fileserver which was also the sole Domain Controller) didn't always work in more complex environments (more than one Samba fileserver, BDCs as well as PDC). And seemingly cleverer techniques (ex: the PHP exec(...) function) didn't work either. The reason? In a multi-server environment the computer I'm working on (for example the LDAP master) isn't necessarily the computer where the homedir needs to exist. I could have made it work by turning off most security and invoking something like `rsh/rlogin` all over the place, but doing that seemed way too reckless and risky for even a mildly security-conscious network. I solved my problem by configuring Samba to "create" any homedirs it finds it needs when the first logon to that share occurs (sort of a "just in time" solution). Although this is neither rocket science nor new, I couldn't find any code to "borrow" and so had to roll my own. To save some effort for the next person who faces the same problem I faced, here's the code that works for me: ========== relevant line in smb.conf ================== ... [homes] ... root preexec = /usr/local/sbin/folderhomeuser-initial.sh %u ... ========== new script folderhomeuser-initial.sh ========== #!/bin/bash ## Input arguments ## username (required) ## other assumed inputs: ## directory and contents /sambahome/sambahomeskel set up exactly the way ## it's wanted, including permissions/acls ## OUTPUT STATUS VALUES ## 0 - no error ## 1 - help (probably because invalid arguments) ## 2 - invalid username ## 3 - user's home directory already exists if [[ $# -ne 1 || "$1" =~ '^[-\.?"/\/]' ]]; then echo "usage: `basename $0` username" echo " Create new/empty home directory." echo " Can be run meaningfully only by root." exit 1 fi function firstword () { echo $1 } function thirdword () { echo $3 } function sixthword () { echo $6 } function gethomedir () { HOMEDIR=`eval echo ~$1` if [ `expr "$HOMEDIR" : '\(.\)'` = '~' ]; then echo "username $1 is not valid" return 2 fi # strip trailing slash if it exists HOMEDIR=${HOMEDIR%/} echo $HOMEDIR } function makeparentdirs () { ONE=${1%/} # strip any trailing slash that might mess up follow RE PARENT=`expr "$ONE" : '\(.*\)/'` mkdir -p $PARENT } PRIMARYGROUP=`id -g $1` HOMEDIR=`gethomedir $1` RETCODE=$? if [ $RETCODE -ne 0 ]; then echo $HOMEDIR; exit $RETCODE; fi if [ -e $HOMEDIR ]; then echo "$HOMEDIR (home for $1) already exists" exit 2 fi makeparentdirs $HOMEDIR cp -r -p /sambahome/sambahomeskel $HOMEDIR # although we know this won't work right if there's a trailing slash on # HOMEDIR, we can confidently assume it's not the case since gethomedir # never returns such a result chown -R $1:$PRIMARYGROUP $HOMEDIR # we assume permissions/acls were already correct on the skeleton, because # although we could set permissions/acls here we don't because it's too slow logger -p daemon.info "successfully created and populated $HOMEDIR for $1" echo "$HOMEDIR (home for $1) created and populated" exit 0 (The coding style of the script isn't all that great; improvements are clearly possible. The upside is it does work.) (Note this creates new homedirs with whatever initial content you desire by copying a template [similar to /etc/skel which is used for local logins], specifically in this case /sambahome/sambahomeskel].) (Note this setup assumes that scripts can find a user's Samba home directory path from the *nix side without any help from Samba, even if the user is defined in LDAP and even if the user isn't able to directly logon to the *nix system. This will be true so long as you've used `authconfig --enableldap` so your /etc/nsswitch.conf specifies both "files" and "ldap" on its "passwd" line. Provided this is true, you can just use the `bash` tilde shortand [~username] to find a user's homedir. It should also be possible [although arguably less flexible:-] to eliminate this assumption and instead have Samba pass the home directory path to the script as a calling argument.) I hope this helps somebody. Enjoy! -- Chuck Kollars -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Mar 26 00:16:09 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:16:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] create Samba homedirs automagically In-Reply-To: <4425C945.9D67A1F5@ckollars.org> References: <4425C945.9D67A1F5@ckollars.org> Message-ID: <34342.70.33.151.214.1143332169.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Hmmm:never really thought about it..my useradd script makes homedirs when the user is added...simply cause the filreserver is nfs mounted to ldapserver..interesting way to do it though..chuck From petre at maltzen.net Sun Mar 26 01:40:01 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:40:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Is mDNSresponder installed as part of LTSP? Message-ID: <4425F0F1.7090309@maltzen.net> Is mDNSresponder installed as part of LTSP? Or is just part of a stock Fedora install? More to the point, what is its purpose? Petre From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Mar 26 04:48:59 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:48:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Is mDNSresponder installed as part of LTSP? In-Reply-To: <4425F0F1.7090309@maltzen.net> References: <4425F0F1.7090309@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Mar 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > Is mDNSresponder installed as part of LTSP? Or is just part of a stock Fedora > install? It is part of stock Fedora (replaced with "avahi" in FC5) > More to the point, what is its purpose? $ rpm -qif /etc/init.d/mDNSResponder URL : http://www.porchdogsoft.com/products/howl/ Summary : multicast DNS implementation Description : Howl is a cross-platform port of Apple's "Rendezvous" (multicast DNS) service discovery and IP autoconfiguration. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Mar 26 05:38:39 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:38:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <44241C92.2040106@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <440E1F96.9090406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44241C92.2040106@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: > I have uploaded a second test build of what will eventually become K12LTSP > 5.0. Same rules apply: this is not fully baked, don't expect it to actually > work, if it does happen to work don't use it in production, and all of those > other scary warnings. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . I finished my big LTSP package reorg. Standard rules apply, this is a first build using non-officially-released software. Assume big ugly bugs. For the couple of people who asked for just the LTSP rpm packages, I copied them here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ I have not tried to install them on a stock install of FC5, if they break you get to keep both pieces ;-) > Still on the TODO list: > >> Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a feature, >> not a bug. > >>> Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next build. >> Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora >> install, >> you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't automate >> this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in order >> to turn of "LTSP". > > >> I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they work >>> or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are >>> broken. >> >> >> Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a dependancy, >> likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts >> up without error. >> >>> I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have no >>> idea if they work or not. From dackerman at apnts.org Sun Mar 26 08:00:15 2006 From: dackerman at apnts.org (David Ackerman) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:00:15 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggestions on Server Deployment Message-ID: <000101c650ab$55b8c540$0300a8c0@DAGATEWAY> We have been using K12ltsp for 4 clients for a few months, with no major problems. We want to expand things now and need some advice. 1) We want to provide email for our students. 2) We want to provide network folders for students. 3) We want to filter internet traffic to the student network (which will mostly be Windows computers). We have very little money, so K12ltsp is a nice option. We are also looking at doing some of the above with an additional Ubuntu server, but this would be mean two servers and the problem of network folders, filtering and backup. Can we do all of the above with one K12LTSP server? What potential problems are there of having an email server and LTSP on the same computer? Can the clients cause the whole system to hang, thus email is not working? Can K12 also filter Windows machines hooked up to it? How effective will K12 be as an email server and LTSP server? Any advice would be helpful as we take our next steps. Thanks, David Asia-Pacific Nazarene Theological Seminary Philippines -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Sun Mar 26 15:27:43 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:27:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Is mDNSresponder installed as part of LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <4425F0F1.7090309@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4426B2EF.80204@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 25 Mar 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> Is mDNSresponder installed as part of LTSP? Or is just part of a >> stock Fedora install? > > > It is part of stock Fedora (replaced with "avahi" in FC5) > >> More to the point, what is its purpose? > > > $ rpm -qif /etc/init.d/mDNSResponder > > URL : http://www.porchdogsoft.com/products/howl/ > Summary : multicast DNS implementation > Description : > Howl is a cross-platform port of Apple's "Rendezvous" (multicast DNS) > service discovery and IP autoconfiguration. > > -Eric > So...how does that fit in with the dhcp and dns services running on my server? If the only machines on the network are being served just fine by my server's dhcp, and I don't have devices randomly joining the network, can I turn mDNSresponder (and nifd) off? From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Mar 26 16:00:45 2006 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:00:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <440E1F96.9090406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44241C92.2040106@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <8C81F0593467770-87C-2EB6@mblkn-m05.sysops.aol.com> Hi Eric, Just a simple question for wireless, I'm using a d-link dwl-g650 rev B & it needs the madwifi drivers but I can't find them anymore is there a replacement or something built into the FC5 to better support wireless? thks norbert -----Original Message----- From: Eric Harrison To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:38:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > I have uploaded a second test build of what will eventually become K12LTSP > 5.0. Same rules apply: this is not fully baked, don't expect it to actually > work, if it does happen to work don't use it in production, and all of those > other scary warnings. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5/ . I finished my big LTSP package reorg. Standard rules apply, this is a first build using non-officially-released software. Assume big ugly bugs. For the couple of people who asked for just the LTSP rpm packages, I copied them here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ I have not tried to install them on a stock install of FC5, if they break you get to keep both pieces ;-) > Still on the TODO list: > >> Currently "root" cannot log in from a terminal. This is arguably a feature, >> not a bug. > >>> Be sure to check the "LTSP" box. Minor bug, I'll fix it in the next build. >> Fixed, but now the reverse problem exists. If you do a normal Fedora >> install, >> you have to select "Custom" and uncheck the "LTSP" box. If I can't automate >> this, I can at least make it so you don't have to select "Custom" in order >> to turn of "LTSP". > > >> I have not checked any of the applications, I have no idea if they work >>> or not. Several reported missing dependencies, so at least a few are >>> broken. >> >> >> Tuxpaint is missing. Scribus starts up, but it is missing a dependancy, >> likely that some feature doesn't work. Everything else at least starts >> up without error. >> >>> I have not tried doing a normal Fedora install nor an upgrade. I have no >>> idea if they work or not. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com From piritarodo at hotmail.com Sun Mar 26 17:47:20 2006 From: piritarodo at hotmail.com (Alejandro Mel) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:47:20 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Online games in LTSP ????? Message-ID: What kind of online good games for linux Can I use in LTSP 4.4.1 Red Hat Fedora 4 ?????? I have the default games that come with the O.S for example Black Jack, poker, mines, etc... But Iam looking for better games ONLINE if possible, and that I can setup the SOUND FOR EACH THIN CLIENT TERMINAL.... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Amor: busca tu ? naranja http://latam.msn.com/amor/ From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Mar 26 19:24:16 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:24:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] python error with Teachertool Message-ID: <57046.70.33.151.214.1143401056.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Anyone explain whats missing causing this error..besides the ovious notion that black is an unusual color?? raceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/Teach2.py", line 375, in ? TeacherTool(Tkinter.Tk()) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1569, in __init__ self.tk = _tkinter.create(screenName, baseName, className, interactive, wantobjects, useTk, sync, use) _tkinter.TclError: this isn't a Tk applicationunknown color name "Black" From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Mar 26 21:28:13 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:28:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Online games in LTSP ????? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1143408493.3063.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Alejandro, Online games? Maybe I am missing something, but normally online games are platform independent. Some require Flash but Windows, Linux and Mac have Flash versions available for their respective platform. -Paul On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 17:47 +0000, Alejandro Mel wrote: > What kind of online good games for linux Can I use in LTSP 4.4.1 Red Hat > Fedora 4 ?????? > > I have the default games that come with the O.S for example Black Jack, > poker, mines, etc... > > But Iam looking for better games ONLINE if possible, and that I can setup > the SOUND FOR EACH THIN CLIENT TERMINAL.... > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Amor: busca tu ? naranja http://latam.msn.com/amor/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 27 01:04:10 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:04:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Is mDNSresponder installed as part of LTSP? In-Reply-To: <4426B2EF.80204@maltzen.net> References: <4425F0F1.7090309@maltzen.net> <4426B2EF.80204@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44273A0A.8070707@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> Is mDNSresponder installed as part of LTSP? Or is just part of a >>> stock Fedora install? >> >> >> >> It is part of stock Fedora (replaced with "avahi" in FC5) >> >>> More to the point, what is its purpose? >> >> >> >> $ rpm -qif /etc/init.d/mDNSResponder >> >> URL : http://www.porchdogsoft.com/products/howl/ >> Summary : multicast DNS implementation >> Description : >> Howl is a cross-platform port of Apple's "Rendezvous" (multicast DNS) >> service discovery and IP autoconfiguration. >> >> -Eric >> > So...how does that fit in with the dhcp and dns services running on my > server? If the only machines on the network are being served just fine > by my server's dhcp, and I don't have devices randomly joining the > network, can I turn mDNSresponder (and nifd) off? > Yes, if you have no need or desire for "Rendezvous" support, you can turn it off. -Eric From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Mar 27 04:27:43 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:27:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Dual-Core opterons? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43815.70.58.177.105.1143433663.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Brad Johnson wrote: > Greetings, > > Does anyone have any experience using the newer dual-core opterons in > their ltsp servers? My most recent servers have all been dual > processor opterons, but as opposed to spending $180 for a single core > opteron, I can spend roughly $330 for the dual-core versions. I'm > thinking that two dual-core opterons would offer incredible > performance in our lab of approx 30 clients. Any thoughts or advice? I have two servers, each running a single Dual Core Opto 270 since september. They are rock solid and quite speedy, and if I need more speed I still have an empty socket to populate. I am running them in Tyan K8SE boards, I don't remember precisely what model at the moment. If you would like more specifics, ask me off list and I'd be happy to share. -- -Regards- Quentin Hartman Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon V (541)767-3778 F (541)767-3041 www.slane.k12.or.us From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Mar 27 12:37:06 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:37:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] RealBasic as an add on to K12LTSP Message-ID: <33402.172.28.8.55.1143463026.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, I just thought this may be of benefit to some, on trying to get some "techie" kids interested in K12LTSP / Linux. I installed RealBasic on the K12LTSP servers here, and some of the kids that are intersted, deeply, in programming,and Webpages design have really taken a liking to it. It is in RPM format for lazy people like me, so intsall is about a 2 minute "chore",:) REALbasic 2006r1 is current version. I didnt even have any dependency **ll to go through to get it to install. The "un" professional version/ freebie pretty much has all most students are ever going to use, and you can download examples ,for them to see how to get started. Some of these kids have been using MS$$ Visual Basic,and yes it is kinda out dated ,but its a starting point. Hope this helps in pushing out the K12LTSP, word! Good Day, Barry Cisna From jefferydouglaswaddell at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 12:46:20 2006 From: jefferydouglaswaddell at gmail.com (Jeff Waddell) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 05:46:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Traveling up the US West Coast Message-ID: <8a44f71c0603270446g63861c3al32a7c833e84bc0ae@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I've not been very active in this list of late, however I'm still very much into all things open source/linux/education/children/home schooling/road schooling related. My family and I will be traveling up the West Coast for various reasons and if I can combine that with meeting some people about things like edubuntu, debian-edu, ubuntu, ltsp, k12ltsp, I would like to. If you have computer labs available I can do demonstrations. Please look at http://spunge.org/~jwaddell/ourpath.html to see if you might be on our path and are interested in setting something up. As you can see on the given url I'm intending to go to the LinuxFest Northwest in Bellingham, Washington. I hope to do a presentation or have booth there, however I've not committed to anything yet, as our path often leads us to unexpected places and timing goes out the window....and I don't yet have access to the machines to do the type of ltsp lab demonstration I'd like to do. Anyway, if any of you on this list are planning on doing a presentation/being there I'd like to discuss it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drloomis at cox-internet.com Mon Mar 27 13:16:31 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:16:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Madwifi wireless driver Message-ID: <4427E5AF.3070107@cox-internet.com> Norbert, Madwifi rpms are notoriously out of date. It is best to download the latest sources from cvs, compile and install. I have a script that automates the task if you are interested. I can send it to you offlist. Dan From stegil at hotmail.com Mon Mar 27 13:17:14 2006 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:17:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Online games in LTSP ????? References: Message-ID: Try http://www.miniclip.com/ Especially Runescape. But You need Java. SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alejandro Mel" To: Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Online games in LTSP ????? > > What kind of online good games for linux Can I use in LTSP 4.4.1 Red Hat > Fedora 4 ?????? > > I have the default games that come with the O.S for example Black Jack, > poker, mines, etc... > > But Iam looking for better games ONLINE if possible, and that I can setup > the SOUND FOR EACH THIN CLIENT TERMINAL.... > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Amor: busca tu ? naranja http://latam.msn.com/amor/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Mon Mar 27 13:17:52 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:17:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Traveling up the US West Coast In-Reply-To: <8a44f71c0603270446g63861c3al32a7c833e84bc0ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a44f71c0603270446g63861c3al32a7c833e84bc0ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4427E600.1010002@McQuil.com> Jeff, WOW !!! It's all about the journey. I love that. I'll be at NW Linux Fest at the end of April, with Eric Harrison. It would be great if we could hook up, and talk about Linux, LTSP, Traveling, and whatever else there is to talk about. Have a safe trip, and I hope to see you in Washington. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Jeff Waddell wrote: > Hey, > > I've not been very active in this list of late, however I'm still very > much into all things open source/linux/education/children/home > schooling/road schooling related. My family and I will be traveling > up the West Coast for various reasons and if I can combine that with > meeting some people about things like edubuntu, debian-edu, ubuntu, > ltsp, k12ltsp, I would like to. If you have computer labs available I > can do demonstrations. Please look at > http://spunge.org/~jwaddell/ourpath.html > to see if you might be on > our path and are interested in setting something up. As you can see > on the given url I'm intending to go to the LinuxFest Northwest in > Bellingham, Washington. I hope to do a presentation or have booth > there, however I've not committed to anything yet, as our path often > leads us to unexpected places and timing goes out the window....and I > don't yet have access to the machines to do the type of ltsp lab > demonstration I'd like to do. Anyway, if any of you on this list are > planning on doing a presentation/being there I'd like to discuss it. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Mar 27 13:34:04 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:34:04 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] RealBasic as an add on to K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <33402.172.28.8.55.1143463026.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <33402.172.28.8.55.1143463026.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <10124.200.222.204.15.1143466444.squirrel@popmail10.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JRuff at Sihope.com Mon Mar 27 13:56:42 2006 From: JRuff at Sihope.com (John G. Ruff) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:56:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RealBasic as an add on to K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <10124.200.222.204.15.1143466444.squirrel@popmail10.pop.com.br> References: <33402.172.28.8.55.1143463026.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <10124.200.222.204.15.1143466444.squirrel@popmail10.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <1143467802.18365.651.camel@JohnRuff.Updates4You.com> Or Gambas ( http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ ), a BASIC IDE Or the Lazarus IDE for Free Pascal ( http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/ ) jr On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 10:34 -0300, Ramon wrote: > RealBasic is a good idea but it's not open source software. Try > showing your kids a bit of C++. > > http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hello List, > > I just thought this may be of benefit to some, on trying to get some > "techie" kids interested in K12LTSP / Linux. I installed RealBasic on > the > K12LTSP servers here, and some of the kids that are intersted, deeply, > in > programming,and Webpages design have really taken a liking to it. It > is in > RPM format for lazy people like me, so intsall is about a 2 minute > "chore",:) > REALbasic 2006r1 is current version. > I didnt even have any dependency **ll to go through to get it to > install. > The "un" professional version/ freebie pretty much has all most > students > are ever going to use, and you can download examples ,for them to see > how > to get started. > Some of these kids have been using MS$$ Visual Basic,and yes it is > kinda > out dated ,but its a starting point. > Hope this helps in pushing out the K12LTSP, word! > > Good Day, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 27 14:45:35 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:45:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cron to kill users or group? In-Reply-To: References: <200603240451.k2O4pVxZ012723@listman.util.phx.redhat.com> <4424395F.4020502@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4427FA8F.7050102@maltzen.net> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/24/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >> I've been considering something like this: >> >> for x in `cat file-of-IDs-to-be-logged-off` >> do >> pkill -u $x >> done > > > How about something like this > > for x in `last | grep 'still logged in' | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq` > do > pkill -u $x > done > That would certainly work, but in my case there are some users, power users if you will, that I don't want to kick off. A bunch of the IDs on my system are shared, almost kiosk-like, and those are the ones I want to reset. Plus, I like the idea of killing only those IDs I explicity specify, to avoid any unforeseen consequences. If I had hundreds of these IDs that needed to be pkilled, I might feel different; but even then, I think I'd just spend a bit of time refining the list of those IDs and stick with the 'kill only those I say' approach. From robark at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 16:33:57 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:33:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RealBasic as an add on to K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <10124.200.222.204.15.1143466444.squirrel@popmail10.pop.com.br> References: <33402.172.28.8.55.1143463026.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <10124.200.222.204.15.1143466444.squirrel@popmail10.pop.com.br> Message-ID: On 3/27/06, Ramon wrote: > > > RealBasic is a good idea but it's not open source software. Try showing your > kids a bit of C++. > > http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/ I have used Anjuta for teaching C++ for 2 years and it has been great. I teach procedural in the first year then jump into OOP in the senior course. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From lighthumor at hotmail.com Mon Mar 27 17:28:14 2006 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:28:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ethernet bandwidth monitor? Message-ID: Since LTSP is so bandwidth-intensive, Id like to do some tests with the bandwidth, as well as monitor it occasionally. What are the programs I need to do those? Ethereal? Anything friendlier? I have no idea how much is being used when, in reality. How many terminals can a single server's ethernet manage at 100Mbits/s ? The biggest enemy seems to be Flash. From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 27 18:22:55 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:22:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ethernet bandwidth monitor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1143483775.32637.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 11:28, light being wrote: > Since LTSP is so bandwidth-intensive, Id like to do some tests with the > bandwidth, as well as monitor it occasionally. > > What are the programs I need to do those? Ethereal? Anything friendlier? Ntop (http://www.ntop.org) will summarize usage in various ways looking at actual packets going through the interface. If your switch supports port monitoring, you can track things on other machines. Cacti (http://www.cacti.net) will maintain graphs of bandwidth, CPU, and memory use - or anything else you can monitor with snmp, including router and switch traffic. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 18:29:03 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:29:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ethernet bandwidth monitor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/27/06, light being wrote: > Since LTSP is so bandwidth-intensive, Id like to do some tests with the > bandwidth, as well as monitor it occasionally. > > What are the programs I need to do those? Ethereal? Anything friendlier? I have used iptraf -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 27 19:15:01 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:15:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Boston - LTSP 4.2 release Message-ID: <20060327191252.M783@winonacotter.org> Can I ask what distro LTSP 4.2 will be showcased on? I can't wait, the new features look awesome. The new/expanded local device support will be huge. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Mar 27 20:30:07 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:30:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] RealBasic as an add on to K12LTSP Message-ID: <39470.172.28.8.55.1143491407.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, Thanks for all the responses on various programming alternatives out an about. This is how you find out who has the latest greatest mousetrap at present. These all sound great for various situations in a school setting. Ill check some of these out to see what could fit in here. Even KTurtle gets some votes from some of the beginers here.:) Barry Cisna From jam at mcquil.com Mon Mar 27 20:30:32 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:30:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Boston - LTSP 4.2 release In-Reply-To: <20060327191252.M783@winonacotter.org> References: <20060327191252.M783@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44284B68.8060103@McQuil.com> Jim, We'll be showing LTSP_4.2 on Ubuntu Breezy. It should run equally well on Fedora FC4 and FC5, although some tweaks to ltspcfg may be needed for FC5. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Jim. Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Can I ask what distro LTSP 4.2 will be showcased on? I can't wait, the new > features look awesome. The new/expanded local device support will be huge. > > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Mar 27 20:33:15 2006 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:33:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Running K12LTSP under VMWare ESX Message-ID: <1143491595.22360.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> I was at FETC last week and was amazed at the number of FL public school districts consolidating to VMWare. I am going to try to put in a fiber- channel SAN this summer and connect my 2 fastest servers up to it (one of which is my k12ltsp box). I already have a license for GSX, so I am considering an upgrade to ESX for one machine and possibly another license for ESX on the other server. I need to provide MS Terminal Services, K12LTSP services as well as domain controller/exchange/etc (I am trapped with Exchange, no way out). Anyone run K12LTSP under VMware ESX? I've got about max 15-20 users running nowadays. The boxes are Hyperthreaded Xeons (2 cpu), with one box 4 Gigs of ram (I might increase) and the other 2 (I'm going to push that one to 8 gigs). On the flip side I'll probably have some IBM xSeries server memory for sale this summer. =) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 20:45:24 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:45:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO Message-ID: <2be970b50603271245m48775dcere1a37d1993a93fb8@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be done? Thanks in advance! John From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Mar 27 20:59:40 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:59:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603271245m48775dcere1a37d1993a93fb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603271245m48775dcere1a37d1993a93fb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4428523C.7090801@paasda.org> On your window's installation: tools->options->load/save-> there are 4 sections: General VBA Properties Microsoft Office HTML Compatibility The GENERAL and Microsoft OFFICE sections are the two you will want to edit. The options are self-explanatory on each of the pages. --Huck john wrote: > Hi all, > > This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for > information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt > for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain > user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their > save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be > done? > > Thanks in advance! > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 21:11:59 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:11:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO In-Reply-To: <4428523C.7090801@paasda.org> References: <2be970b50603271245m48775dcere1a37d1993a93fb8@mail.gmail.com> <4428523C.7090801@paasda.org> Message-ID: <2be970b50603271311i795ba36evc3a44f4a66af9564@mail.gmail.com> Hi Huck, Thanks, however, I need this to work for ALL users, regardless of whether they have ever logged on to a particular machine running XP, and it needs to happen automatically e.g. just like it does under k12ltsp. I appreciate the response! John On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > On your window's installation: > > tools->options->load/save-> > > there are 4 sections: > General > VBA Properties > Microsoft Office > HTML Compatibility > > The GENERAL and Microsoft OFFICE sections are the two you will want to > edit. The options are self-explanatory on each of the pages. > > --Huck > > john wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for > > information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt > > for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain > > user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their > > save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be > > done? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Mar 27 21:19:54 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:19:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603271311i795ba36evc3a44f4a66af9564@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603271245m48775dcere1a37d1993a93fb8@mail.gmail.com> <4428523C.7090801@paasda.org> <2be970b50603271311i795ba36evc3a44f4a66af9564@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <442856FA.4030100@paasda.org> Perhaps you can do it for ONE user... then copy the folder "user" in C:\Documents and Settings\dhuckaby\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2\ to all of the other users, in a login script maybe? --Huck john wrote: > Hi Huck, > > Thanks, however, I need this to work for ALL users, regardless of > whether they have ever logged on to a particular machine running XP, > and it needs to happen automatically e.g. just like it does under > k12ltsp. > > I appreciate the response! > > John > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: >> On your window's installation: >> >> tools->options->load/save-> >> >> there are 4 sections: >> General >> VBA Properties >> Microsoft Office >> HTML Compatibility >> >> The GENERAL and Microsoft OFFICE sections are the two you will want to >> edit. The options are self-explanatory on each of the pages. >> >> --Huck >> >> john wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for >>> information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt >>> for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain >>> user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their >>> save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be >>> done? >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> John >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Mar 27 21:35:00 2006 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:35:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Madwifi wireless driver In-Reply-To: <4427E5AF.3070107@cox-internet.com> References: <4427E5AF.3070107@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <8C81FFD6FA7A974-246C-1598@mblkn-m05.sysops.aol.com> Hi Dan, Yes please! I've had nothing but problems trying to get the D-link to work. Please send it to my company address nbedoucha at xtlabs.org thank you norbert -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Loomis To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:16:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Madwifi wireless driver Norbert, Madwifi rpms are notoriously out of date. It is best to download the latest sources from cvs, compile and install. I have a script that automates the task if you are interested. I can send it to you offlist. Dan _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Mar 27 23:04:29 2006 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:04:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603271245m48775dcere1a37d1993a93fb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603271245m48775dcere1a37d1993a93fb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44286F7D.60305@stmarys-school.org> You can create a new XP default user with the settings you want. Not only will this set the file types but also the initial set up and registration process too. The downside of doing it this way is the initial log on for each new user takes a little longer and it wastes disk storage. I have not looked into it since last August there might be a better way of doing this now. Actually there always has been, it's K12LTSP! :-) john wrote: >Hi all, > >This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for >information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt >for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain >user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their >save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be >done? > >Thanks in advance! > >John > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 23:09:51 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:09:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO In-Reply-To: <442856FA.4030100@paasda.org> References: <2be970b50603271245m48775dcere1a37d1993a93fb8@mail.gmail.com> <4428523C.7090801@paasda.org> <2be970b50603271311i795ba36evc3a44f4a66af9564@mail.gmail.com> <442856FA.4030100@paasda.org> Message-ID: <2be970b50603271509o56fa1c52s598305cdcd833db5@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, That's what I am thinking as well. As i read the OO forums I see that other folks have been wanting a global parameter accessable from the option menu for a while. I guess the OO devs/Sun aren't interested in doing this. I guess it's complex enough that normal hackers aren't able to add a widget to this? Dunno. \ Anyway here's what I ended up doing. I wrote a little .bat file and stuck it on a hidden share on the network: xcopy /E /Y "\\my_server\hide$\OpenOffice.org2\*.*" "%userprofile%\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2" That seemed to do the trick. Thanks Huck. John On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > Perhaps you can do it for ONE user... > then copy the folder "user" in C:\Documents and > Settings\dhuckaby\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2\ > to all of the other users, in a login script maybe? > > --Huck > > john wrote: > > Hi Huck, > > > > Thanks, however, I need this to work for ALL users, regardless of > > whether they have ever logged on to a particular machine running XP, > > and it needs to happen automatically e.g. just like it does under > > k12ltsp. > > > > I appreciate the response! > > > > John > > > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > >> On your window's installation: > >> > >> tools->options->load/save-> > >> > >> there are 4 sections: > >> General > >> VBA Properties > >> Microsoft Office > >> HTML Compatibility > >> > >> The GENERAL and Microsoft OFFICE sections are the two you will want to > >> edit. The options are self-explanatory on each of the pages. > >> > >> --Huck > >> > >> john wrote: > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for > >>> information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt > >>> for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain > >>> user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their > >>> save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be > >>> done? > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance! > >>> > >>> John > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steven at simplycircus.com Mon Mar 27 23:26:42 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:26:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603271509o56fa1c52s598305cdcd833db5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I wonder if you could accomplish this with a domain policy? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of john Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:10 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO Yeah, That's what I am thinking as well. As i read the OO forums I see that other folks have been wanting a global parameter accessable from the option menu for a while. I guess the OO devs/Sun aren't interested in doing this. I guess it's complex enough that normal hackers aren't able to add a widget to this? Dunno. \ Anyway here's what I ended up doing. I wrote a little .bat file and stuck it on a hidden share on the network: xcopy /E /Y "\\my_server\hide$\OpenOffice.org2\*.*" "%userprofile%\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2" That seemed to do the trick. Thanks Huck. John On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > Perhaps you can do it for ONE user... > then copy the folder "user" in C:\Documents and > Settings\dhuckaby\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2\ > to all of the other users, in a login script maybe? > > --Huck > > john wrote: > > Hi Huck, > > > > Thanks, however, I need this to work for ALL users, regardless of > > whether they have ever logged on to a particular machine running XP, > > and it needs to happen automatically e.g. just like it does under > > k12ltsp. > > > > I appreciate the response! > > > > John > > > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > >> On your window's installation: > >> > >> tools->options->load/save-> > >> > >> there are 4 sections: > >> General > >> VBA Properties > >> Microsoft Office > >> HTML Compatibility > >> > >> The GENERAL and Microsoft OFFICE sections are the two you will want to > >> edit. The options are self-explanatory on each of the pages. > >> > >> --Huck > >> > >> john wrote: > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for > >>> information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt > >>> for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain > >>> user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their > >>> save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be > >>> done? > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance! > >>> > >>> John > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From steven at simplycircus.com Mon Mar 27 23:52:57 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:52:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603271509o56fa1c52s598305cdcd833db5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Google just turned up this: Open Office 2.0/StarOffice8 do not make it easy to configure defaults. The first time any user opens the program on a given computer they are greeted with a EULA, and series of configuration screens. File save formats will default to OpenDoc. One possible solution is to use scripting to copy the setup.xcu file from a fully configured user to the profile of each user. This approach turns out to be rather clumsy. A solution that works involves modifying the installation files so that OO2/StarOffice8 sets up and configures each user with the desired defaults. I posted one possible solution to the OpenOffice.org forum on November 9th. Link here: http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.p html?t=24737&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid =5c103f13a5f7aa0f198eb26452b22b36 The following is for Windows System admins who want to maintain their sanity while transitioning users from MS Office to OpenOffice2 or StarOffice8. The idea is to introduce OO/Star without requiring an immediate switch to a new document format and to allow users to begin using OO2 or StarOffice8 without having to accept a license agreement and answer questions they may not know how to answer. Depending whether you are using StarOffice8 or OpenOffice.org 2.0 - Do the following on workstation after a a fresh installation of OO2 or StarOffice8:: Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice 8\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: ((OR)) Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org 2.0\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: 2005-11-05T18:30:11< /value> true In C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice 8\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup ((O R)) In C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org 2.0\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup Locate file: Setup-calc.xcu Replace " calc8" with "MS Excel 97" Locate file: Setup-impress.xcu Replace " impress8" with " MS PowerPoint 97" Locate file: Setup-writer.xcu Replace "writerglobal8" with " MS Word 97" **see note below** Replace "writer8" with " MS Word 97" After this is done, I suggest storing the modified files with the OO/StarOffice8 installation (CD, Network share etc.). Write a post-installation batch file to replace these files on target computers immediately after installation. You may want to change out the respective files in the installation .cab files in the distribution. Doing so will eliminate the need for a post-installation script. The result is that all users of the target computer (new and existing) will not be prompted for user information on first use and will have the default file format set for compatibility with Microsoft Office 97/2000/XP. (This does not prevent the user from changing the default file save format any time she chooses) Then go forth - install and evangelize! Sell your users on the fact that OO/StarOffice8 is an *upgrade* from MS office. After about a year, go back and switch to OpenDoc and the battle is won. **note** I still have lingering questions about changing the ext.GlobalDocument ooSetupFactoryDefaultFilter from "writerglobal8" to "MS Word 97. It would be good for someone to test this to see if it is the right thing to do. . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of john Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:10 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO Yeah, That's what I am thinking as well. As i read the OO forums I see that other folks have been wanting a global parameter accessable from the option menu for a while. I guess the OO devs/Sun aren't interested in doing this. I guess it's complex enough that normal hackers aren't able to add a widget to this? Dunno. \ Anyway here's what I ended up doing. I wrote a little .bat file and stuck it on a hidden share on the network: xcopy /E /Y "\\my_server\hide$\OpenOffice.org2\*.*" "%userprofile%\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2" That seemed to do the trick. Thanks Huck. John On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > Perhaps you can do it for ONE user... > then copy the folder "user" in C:\Documents and > Settings\dhuckaby\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2\ > to all of the other users, in a login script maybe? > > --Huck > > john wrote: > > Hi Huck, > > > > Thanks, however, I need this to work for ALL users, regardless of > > whether they have ever logged on to a particular machine running XP, > > and it needs to happen automatically e.g. just like it does under > > k12ltsp. > > > > I appreciate the response! > > > > John > > > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > >> On your window's installation: > >> > >> tools->options->load/save-> > >> > >> there are 4 sections: > >> General > >> VBA Properties > >> Microsoft Office > >> HTML Compatibility > >> > >> The GENERAL and Microsoft OFFICE sections are the two you will want to > >> edit. The options are self-explanatory on each of the pages. > >> > >> --Huck > >> > >> john wrote: > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for > >>> information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt > >>> for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain > >>> user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their > >>> save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be > >>> done? > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance! > >>> > >>> John > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From toddobryan at mac.com Tue Mar 28 00:13:02 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:13:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RealBasic as an add on to K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1143467802.18365.651.camel@JohnRuff.Updates4You.com> References: <33402.172.28.8.55.1143463026.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <10124.200.222.204.15.1143466444.squirrel@popmail10.pop.com.br> <1143467802.18365.651.camel@JohnRuff.Updates4You.com> Message-ID: <0823C7CC-7FCE-4643-A83F-909AAE24946D@mac.com> Check out PythonCard, too... http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net Todd On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:56 AM, John G. Ruff wrote: > Or Gambas ( http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ ), a BASIC IDE > > Or the Lazarus IDE for Free Pascal > ( http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/ ) > > jr > > > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 10:34 -0300, Ramon wrote: >> RealBasic is a good idea but it's not open source software. Try >> showing your kids a bit of C++. >> >> http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/ >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----------- >> Hello List, >> >> I just thought this may be of benefit to some, on trying to get some >> "techie" kids interested in K12LTSP / Linux. I installed RealBasic on >> the >> K12LTSP servers here, and some of the kids that are intersted, >> deeply, >> in >> programming,and Webpages design have really taken a liking to it. It >> is in >> RPM format for lazy people like me, so intsall is about a 2 minute >> "chore",:) >> REALbasic 2006r1 is current version. >> I didnt even have any dependency **ll to go through to get it to >> install. >> The "un" professional version/ freebie pretty much has all most >> students >> are ever going to use, and you can download examples ,for them to see >> how >> to get started. >> Some of these kids have been using MS$$ Visual Basic,and yes it is >> kinda >> out dated ,but its a starting point. >> Hope this helps in pushing out the K12LTSP, word! >> >> Good Day, >> >> Barry Cisna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Mar 28 00:32:51 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:32:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1143505971.15292.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, The best way to accomplish what you want is to use the default user method mentioned in an earlier email. That is how we do it in our school district and it works flawlessly. There is no group policy option to my knowledge. This is one issue in OpenOffice I would seriously like to see resolved. However, on another note, there is a way to manage Firefox via group policy the way you manage IE. -Paul On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 18:52 -0500, Steven Santos wrote: > Google just turned up this: > > Open Office 2.0/StarOffice8 do not make it easy to configure defaults. The > first time any user opens the program on a given computer they are greeted > with a EULA, and series of configuration screens. File save formats will > default to OpenDoc. One possible solution is to use scripting to copy the > setup.xcu file from a fully configured user to the profile of each user. > This approach turns out to be rather clumsy. A solution that works involves > modifying the installation files so that OO2/StarOffice8 sets up and > configures each user with the desired defaults. > > I posted one possible solution to the OpenOffice.org forum on November 9th. > Link here: > > http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.p > html?t=24737&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid > =5c103f13a5f7aa0f198eb26452b22b36 > > The following is for Windows System admins who want to maintain their sanity > while transitioning users from MS Office to OpenOffice2 or StarOffice8. The > idea is to introduce OO/Star without requiring an immediate switch to a new > document format and to allow users to begin using OO2 or StarOffice8 without > having to accept a license agreement and answer questions they may not know > how to answer. > > Depending whether you are using StarOffice8 or OpenOffice.org 2.0 - Do the > following on workstation after a a fresh installation of OO2 or > StarOffice8:: > > Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice > 8\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: > ((OR)) > Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org > 2.0\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: > > > 2005-11-05T18:30:11< /value> > > > > true > > > In C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice > 8\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup > ((O R)) > In C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org > 2.0\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup > > Locate file: Setup-calc.xcu > Replace " calc8" with "MS Excel 97" > > Locate file: Setup-impress.xcu > Replace " impress8" with " MS PowerPoint 97" > > Locate file: Setup-writer.xcu > Replace "writerglobal8" with " MS Word 97" **see note below** > Replace "writer8" with " MS Word 97" > > After this is done, I suggest storing the modified files with the > OO/StarOffice8 > installation (CD, Network share etc.). Write a post-installation batch file > to replace these files on target computers immediately after installation. > > You may want to change out the respective files in the installation .cab > files in the distribution. Doing so will eliminate the need for a > post-installation script. > > The result is that all users of the target computer (new and existing) will > not be prompted for user information on first use and will have the > default file format set for compatibility with Microsoft Office 97/2000/XP. > (This does not prevent the user from changing the default file save format > any time she chooses) > > Then go forth - install and evangelize! > Sell your users on the fact that OO/StarOffice8 is an *upgrade* from MS > office. > After about a year, go back and switch to OpenDoc and the battle is won. > > **note** > > I still have lingering questions about changing the ext.GlobalDocument > ooSetupFactoryDefaultFilter from "writerglobal8" to "MS Word 97. > It would be good for someone to test this to see if it is the right > thing to do. . > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > Mail: PO BOX 620753 > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 781-799-4938 > eFax: 309-214-0899 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of john > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:10 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO > > > Yeah, > > That's what I am thinking as well. As i read the OO forums I see that > other folks have been wanting a global parameter accessable from the > option menu for a while. I guess the OO devs/Sun aren't interested in > doing this. I guess it's complex enough that normal hackers aren't > able to add a widget to this? Dunno. \ > > Anyway here's what I ended up doing. I wrote a little .bat file and > stuck it on a hidden share on the network: > > xcopy /E /Y "\\my_server\hide$\OpenOffice.org2\*.*" > "%userprofile%\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2" > > That seemed to do the trick. > > Thanks Huck. > > John > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > > Perhaps you can do it for ONE user... > > then copy the folder "user" in C:\Documents and > > Settings\dhuckaby\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2\ > > to all of the other users, in a login script maybe? > > > > --Huck > > > > john wrote: > > > Hi Huck, > > > > > > Thanks, however, I need this to work for ALL users, regardless of > > > whether they have ever logged on to a particular machine running XP, > > > and it needs to happen automatically e.g. just like it does under > > > k12ltsp. > > > > > > I appreciate the response! > > > > > > John > > > > > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > > >> On your window's installation: > > >> > > >> tools->options->load/save-> > > >> > > >> there are 4 sections: > > >> General > > >> VBA Properties > > >> Microsoft Office > > >> HTML Compatibility > > >> > > >> The GENERAL and Microsoft OFFICE sections are the two you will want to > > >> edit. The options are self-explanatory on each of the pages. > > >> > > >> --Huck > > >> > > >> john wrote: > > >>> Hi all, > > >>> > > >>> This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for > > >>> information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt > > >>> for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain > > >>> user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their > > >>> save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be > > >>> done? > > >>> > > >>> Thanks in advance! > > >>> > > >>> John > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> K12OSN mailing list > > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>> For more info see > > >>> > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 00:32:35 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:32:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50603271509o56fa1c52s598305cdcd833db5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50603271632rec104b0j6d665ffb8d59704d@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Steven, I am surprised that no one has "scratched this itch" with a widget/menu plug-in. I can only surmise that it's not easy to get involved with the OO project. I wish someone would fork it and dump Java while they're at it. Ah but that's a rant for a different day. :-) John On 3/27/06, Steven Santos wrote: > Google just turned up this: > > Open Office 2.0/StarOffice8 do not make it easy to configure defaults. The > first time any user opens the program on a given computer they are greeted > with a EULA, and series of configuration screens. File save formats will > default to OpenDoc. One possible solution is to use scripting to copy the > setup.xcu file from a fully configured user to the profile of each user. > This approach turns out to be rather clumsy. A solution that works involves > modifying the installation files so that OO2/StarOffice8 sets up and > configures each user with the desired defaults. > > I posted one possible solution to the OpenOffice.org forum on November 9th. > Link here: > > http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.p > html?t=24737&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid > =5c103f13a5f7aa0f198eb26452b22b36 > > The following is for Windows System admins who want to maintain their sanity > while transitioning users from MS Office to OpenOffice2 or StarOffice8. The > idea is to introduce OO/Star without requiring an immediate switch to a new > document format and to allow users to begin using OO2 or StarOffice8 without > having to accept a license agreement and answer questions they may not know > how to answer. > > Depending whether you are using StarOffice8 or OpenOffice.org 2.0 - Do the > following on workstation after a a fresh installation of OO2 or > StarOffice8:: > > Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice > 8\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: > ((OR)) > Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org > 2.0\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: > > > 2005-11-05T18:30:11< /value> > > > > true > > > In C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice > 8\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup > ((O R)) > In C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org > 2.0\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup > > Locate file: Setup-calc.xcu > Replace " calc8" with "MS Excel 97" > > Locate file: Setup-impress.xcu > Replace " impress8" with " MS PowerPoint 97" > > Locate file: Setup-writer.xcu > Replace "writerglobal8" with " MS Word 97" **see note below** > Replace "writer8" with " MS Word 97" > > After this is done, I suggest storing the modified files with the > OO/StarOffice8 > installation (CD, Network share etc.). Write a post-installation batch file > to replace these files on target computers immediately after installation. > > You may want to change out the respective files in the installation .cab > files in the distribution. Doing so will eliminate the need for a > post-installation script. > > The result is that all users of the target computer (new and existing) will > not be prompted for user information on first use and will have the > default file format set for compatibility with Microsoft Office 97/2000/XP. > (This does not prevent the user from changing the default file save format > any time she chooses) > > Then go forth - install and evangelize! > Sell your users on the fact that OO/StarOffice8 is an *upgrade* from MS > office. > After about a year, go back and switch to OpenDoc and the battle is won. > > **note** > > I still have lingering questions about changing the ext.GlobalDocument > ooSetupFactoryDefaultFilter from "writerglobal8" to "MS Word 97. > It would be good for someone to test this to see if it is the right > thing to do. . > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > Mail: PO BOX 620753 > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 781-799-4938 > eFax: 309-214-0899 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of john > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:10 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO > > > Yeah, > > That's what I am thinking as well. As i read the OO forums I see that > other folks have been wanting a global parameter accessable from the > option menu for a while. I guess the OO devs/Sun aren't interested in > doing this. I guess it's complex enough that normal hackers aren't > able to add a widget to this? Dunno. \ > > Anyway here's what I ended up doing. I wrote a little .bat file and > stuck it on a hidden share on the network: > > xcopy /E /Y "\\my_server\hide$\OpenOffice.org2\*.*" > "%userprofile%\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2" > > That seemed to do the trick. > > Thanks Huck. > > John > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > > Perhaps you can do it for ONE user... > > then copy the folder "user" in C:\Documents and > > Settings\dhuckaby\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2\ > > to all of the other users, in a login script maybe? > > > > --Huck > > > > john wrote: > > > Hi Huck, > > > > > > Thanks, however, I need this to work for ALL users, regardless of > > > whether they have ever logged on to a particular machine running XP, > > > and it needs to happen automatically e.g. just like it does under > > > k12ltsp. > > > > > > I appreciate the response! > > > > > > John > > > > > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > > >> On your window's installation: > > >> > > >> tools->options->load/save-> > > >> > > >> there are 4 sections: > > >> General > > >> VBA Properties > > >> Microsoft Office > > >> HTML Compatibility > > >> > > >> The GENERAL and Microsoft OFFICE sections are the two you will want to > > >> edit. The options are self-explanatory on each of the pages. > > >> > > >> --Huck > > >> > > >> john wrote: > > >>> Hi all, > > >>> > > >>> This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for > > >>> information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt > > >>> for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain > > >>> user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their > > >>> save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be > > >>> done? > > >>> > > >>> Thanks in advance! > > >>> > > >>> John > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> K12OSN mailing list > > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>> For more info see > > >>> > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 00:36:35 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:36:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO In-Reply-To: <1143505971.15292.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143505971.15292.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2be970b50603271636m419f5f22i2559188e87f548ad@mail.gmail.com> Hi Paul, Thanks for the info. I am not familiar with the concept of a "default user" in a domain setting. Do you mean set up a new user account, tweak stuff the way you want, then move the resultant ant OO profile to some shared location, then call it with a script? Sorry for my ignorance on this. I've heard that there is a GPO for FF, but I haven't seen it. Got a Link? John On 3/27/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > The best way to accomplish what you want is to use the default user > method mentioned in an earlier email. That is how we do it in our school > district and it works flawlessly. There is no group policy option to my > knowledge. This is one issue in OpenOffice I would seriously like to see > resolved. However, on another note, there is a way to manage Firefox via > group policy the way you manage IE. > > -Paul > > > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 18:52 -0500, Steven Santos wrote: > > Google just turned up this: > > > > Open Office 2.0/StarOffice8 do not make it easy to configure defaults. The > > first time any user opens the program on a given computer they are greeted > > with a EULA, and series of configuration screens. File save formats will > > default to OpenDoc. One possible solution is to use scripting to copy the > > setup.xcu file from a fully configured user to the profile of each user. > > This approach turns out to be rather clumsy. A solution that works involves > > modifying the installation files so that OO2/StarOffice8 sets up and > > configures each user with the desired defaults. > > > > I posted one possible solution to the OpenOffice.org forum on November 9th. > > Link here: > > > > http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.p > > html?t=24737&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid > > =5c103f13a5f7aa0f198eb26452b22b36 > > > > The following is for Windows System admins who want to maintain their sanity > > while transitioning users from MS Office to OpenOffice2 or StarOffice8. The > > idea is to introduce OO/Star without requiring an immediate switch to a new > > document format and to allow users to begin using OO2 or StarOffice8 without > > having to accept a license agreement and answer questions they may not know > > how to answer. > > > > Depending whether you are using StarOffice8 or OpenOffice.org 2.0 - Do the > > following on workstation after a a fresh installation of OO2 or > > StarOffice8:: > > > > Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice > > 8\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: > > ((OR)) > > Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org > > 2.0\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: > > > > > > 2005-11-05T18:30:11< /value> > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > In C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice > > 8\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup > > ((O R)) > > In C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org > > 2.0\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup > > > > Locate file: Setup-calc.xcu > > Replace " calc8" with "MS Excel 97" > > > > Locate file: Setup-impress.xcu > > Replace " impress8" with " MS PowerPoint 97" > > > > Locate file: Setup-writer.xcu > > Replace "writerglobal8" with " MS Word 97" **see note below** > > Replace "writer8" with " MS Word 97" > > > > After this is done, I suggest storing the modified files with the > > OO/StarOffice8 > > installation (CD, Network share etc.). Write a post-installation batch file > > to replace these files on target computers immediately after installation. > > > > You may want to change out the respective files in the installation .cab > > files in the distribution. Doing so will eliminate the need for a > > post-installation script. > > > > The result is that all users of the target computer (new and existing) will > > not be prompted for user information on first use and will have the > > default file format set for compatibility with Microsoft Office 97/2000/XP. > > (This does not prevent the user from changing the default file save format > > any time she chooses) > > > > Then go forth - install and evangelize! > > Sell your users on the fact that OO/StarOffice8 is an *upgrade* from MS > > office. > > After about a year, go back and switch to OpenDoc and the battle is won. > > > > **note** > > > > I still have lingering questions about changing the ext.GlobalDocument > > ooSetupFactoryDefaultFilter from "writerglobal8" to "MS Word 97. > > It would be good for someone to test this to see if it is the right > > thing to do. . > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Steven Santos > > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > > Mail: PO BOX 620753 > > Newton, MA 02462 > > Phone: 781-799-4938 > > eFax: 309-214-0899 > > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > > Behalf Of john > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:10 PM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO > > > > > > Yeah, > > > > That's what I am thinking as well. As i read the OO forums I see that > > other folks have been wanting a global parameter accessable from the > > option menu for a while. I guess the OO devs/Sun aren't interested in > > doing this. I guess it's complex enough that normal hackers aren't > > able to add a widget to this? Dunno. \ > > > > Anyway here's what I ended up doing. I wrote a little .bat file and > > stuck it on a hidden share on the network: > > > > xcopy /E /Y "\\my_server\hide$\OpenOffice.org2\*.*" > > "%userprofile%\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2" > > > > That seemed to do the trick. > > > > Thanks Huck. > > > > John > > > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > > > Perhaps you can do it for ONE user... > > > then copy the folder "user" in C:\Documents and > > > Settings\dhuckaby\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2\ > > > to all of the other users, in a login script maybe? > > > > > > --Huck > > > > > > john wrote: > > > > Hi Huck, > > > > > > > > Thanks, however, I need this to work for ALL users, regardless of > > > > whether they have ever logged on to a particular machine running XP, > > > > and it needs to happen automatically e.g. just like it does under > > > > k12ltsp. > > > > > > > > I appreciate the response! > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > > > >> On your window's installation: > > > >> > > > >> tools->options->load/save-> > > > >> > > > >> there are 4 sections: > > > >> General > > > >> VBA Properties > > > >> Microsoft Office > > > >> HTML Compatibility > > > >> > > > >> The GENERAL and Microsoft OFFICE sections are the two you will want to > > > >> edit. The options are self-explanatory on each of the pages. > > > >> > > > >> --Huck > > > >> > > > >> john wrote: > > > >>> Hi all, > > > >>> > > > >>> This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for > > > >>> information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt > > > >>> for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain > > > >>> user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their > > > >>> save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be > > > >>> done? > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks in advance! > > > >>> > > > >>> John > > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> K12OSN mailing list > > > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > > > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > >>> For more info see > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > >> For more info see > > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Mar 28 00:51:24 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:51:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Running K12LTSP under VMWare ESX In-Reply-To: <1143491595.22360.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <1143491595.22360.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <4428888C.6030307@rogers.com> Henry Burroughs wrote: > I was at FETC last week and was amazed at the number of FL public school > districts consolidating to VMWare. I am going to try to put in a > fiber-channel SAN this summer and connect my 2 fastest servers up to it > (one of which is my k12ltsp box). I already have a license for GSX, so > I am considering an upgrade to ESX for one machine and possibly another > license for ESX on the other server. I need to provide MS Terminal > Services, K12LTSP services as well as domain controller/exchange/etc (I > am trapped with Exchange, no way out). Anyone run K12LTSP under VMware > ESX? I've got about max 15-20 users running nowadays. The boxes are > Hyperthreaded Xeons (2 cpu), with one box 4 Gigs of ram (I might > increase) and the other 2 (I'm going to push that one to 8 gigs). I have not run K12LTSP on ESX server but we run a significant testing environment on an ESX server consisting of multiple MSSQL database servers, MQueue servers, Linux, J2EE servers etc. I forget the count but I imagine one ESX server is hosting 50 virtual servers. The resonse time on most servers is remarkable. As I have seen it, tuning and configuration is important and can cause huge increases in performance. We are planning to move away from our GSX servers and would recommend ESX. The ESX performance difference and ability to cope with more servers compared to GSX is amazing. We may however evaluate the GSX replacement since it will run on Linux it may not be as constrained as GSX. We have however noted that a few of our servers cope better on physical boxes (even fairly low end physical boxes) but that is the exception. I hope this helps. Tim From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 28 01:34:09 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:34:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Running K12LTSP under VMWare ESX In-Reply-To: <4428888C.6030307@rogers.com> References: <1143491595.22360.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> <4428888C.6030307@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1143509649.2098.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 18:51, Timothy Legge wrote: > We are planning to move away from our GSX servers and would recommend > ESX. The ESX performance difference and ability to cope with more > servers compared to GSX is amazing. We may however evaluate the GSX > replacement since it will run on Linux it may not be as constrained as GSX. The GSX replacement will have the advantage of being free - and will probably work OK when you run the services that need the best performance directly on the host. -- Les Mikesell les at gmail.com From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Mar 28 03:08:30 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:08:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO Message-ID: <1143515310.18178.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> John, Sure. Here is the link to the Firefox version that can be managed via Active Directory GPOs: http://www.frontmotion.com/Firefox/ As far as setting up the default user, go to this website: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/desktopdeployment/articles/102505ev.mspx and scroll down to the part that says "Understanding the Default Profile". That should point you in the right direction. -Paul On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 16:36 -0800, john wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Thanks for the info. I am not familiar with the concept of a "default > user" in a domain setting. Do you mean set up a new user account, > tweak stuff the way you want, then move the resultant ant OO profile > to some shared location, then call it with a script? Sorry for my > ignorance on this. > > I've heard that there is a GPO for FF, but I haven't seen it. Got a Link? > > John > > On 3/27/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > All, > > > > The best way to accomplish what you want is to use the default user > > method mentioned in an earlier email. That is how we do it in our school > > district and it works flawlessly. There is no group policy option to my > > knowledge. This is one issue in OpenOffice I would seriously like to see > > resolved. However, on another note, there is a way to manage Firefox via > > group policy the way you manage IE. > > > > -Paul > > > > > > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 18:52 -0500, Steven Santos wrote: > > > Google just turned up this: > > > > > > Open Office 2.0/StarOffice8 do not make it easy to configure defaults. The > > > first time any user opens the program on a given computer they are greeted > > > with a EULA, and series of configuration screens. File save formats will > > > default to OpenDoc. One possible solution is to use scripting to copy the > > > setup.xcu file from a fully configured user to the profile of each user. > > > This approach turns out to be rather clumsy. A solution that works involves > > > modifying the installation files so that OO2/StarOffice8 sets up and > > > configures each user with the desired defaults. > > > > > > I posted one possible solution to the OpenOffice.org forum on November 9th. > > > Link here: > > > > > > http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.p > > > html?t=24737&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid > > > =5c103f13a5f7aa0f198eb26452b22b36 > > > > > > The following is for Windows System admins who want to maintain their sanity > > > while transitioning users from MS Office to OpenOffice2 or StarOffice8. The > > > idea is to introduce OO/Star without requiring an immediate switch to a new > > > document format and to allow users to begin using OO2 or StarOffice8 without > > > having to accept a license agreement and answer questions they may not know > > > how to answer. > > > > > > Depending whether you are using StarOffice8 or OpenOffice.org 2.0 - Do the > > > following on workstation after a a fresh installation of OO2 or > > > StarOffice8:: > > > > > > Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice > > > 8\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: > > > ((OR)) > > > Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org > > > 2.0\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: > > > > > > > > > 2005-11-05T18:30:11< /value> > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > In C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice > > > 8\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup > > > ((O R)) > > > In C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org > > > 2.0\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup > > > > > > Locate file: Setup-calc.xcu > > > Replace " calc8" with "MS Excel 97" > > > > > > Locate file: Setup-impress.xcu > > > Replace " impress8" with " MS PowerPoint 97" > > > > > > Locate file: Setup-writer.xcu > > > Replace "writerglobal8" with " MS Word 97" **see note below** > > > Replace "writer8" with " MS Word 97" > > > > > > After this is done, I suggest storing the modified files with the > > > OO/StarOffice8 > > > installation (CD, Network share etc.). Write a post-installation batch file > > > to replace these files on target computers immediately after installation. > > > > > > You may want to change out the respective files in the installation .cab > > > files in the distribution. Doing so will eliminate the need for a > > > post-installation script. > > > > > > The result is that all users of the target computer (new and existing) will > > > not be prompted for user information on first use and will have the > > > default file format set for compatibility with Microsoft Office 97/2000/XP. > > > (This does not prevent the user from changing the default file save format > > > any time she chooses) > > > > > > Then go forth - install and evangelize! > > > Sell your users on the fact that OO/StarOffice8 is an *upgrade* from MS > > > office. > > > After about a year, go back and switch to OpenDoc and the battle is won. > > > > > > **note** > > > > > > I still have lingering questions about changing the ext.GlobalDocument > > > ooSetupFactoryDefaultFilter from "writerglobal8" to "MS Word 97. > > > It would be good for someone to test this to see if it is the right > > > thing to do. . > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Steven Santos > > > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > > > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > > > Mail: PO BOX 620753 > > > Newton, MA 02462 > > > Phone: 781-799-4938 > > > eFax: 309-214-0899 > > > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > > > Behalf Of john > > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:10 PM > > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO > > > > > > > > > Yeah, > > > > > > That's what I am thinking as well. As i read the OO forums I see that > > > other folks have been wanting a global parameter accessable from the > > > option menu for a while. I guess the OO devs/Sun aren't interested in > > > doing this. I guess it's complex enough that normal hackers aren't > > > able to add a widget to this? Dunno. \ > > > > > > Anyway here's what I ended up doing. I wrote a little .bat file and > > > stuck it on a hidden share on the network: > > > > > > xcopy /E /Y "\\my_server\hide$\OpenOffice.org2\*.*" > > > "%userprofile%\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2" > > > > > > That seemed to do the trick. > > > > > > Thanks Huck. > > > > > > John > > > > > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > > > > Perhaps you can do it for ONE user... > > > > then copy the folder "user" in C:\Documents and > > > > Settings\dhuckaby\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2\ > > > > to all of the other users, in a login script maybe? > > > > > > > > --Huck > > > > > > > > john wrote: > > > > > Hi Huck, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, however, I need this to work for ALL users, regardless of > > > > > whether they have ever logged on to a particular machine running XP, > > > > > and it needs to happen automatically e.g. just like it does under > > > > > k12ltsp. > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate the response! > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > > > > >> On your window's installation: > > > > >> > > > > >> tools->options->load/save-> > > > > >> > > > > >> there are 4 sections: > > > > >> General > > > > >> VBA Properties > > > > >> Microsoft Office > > > > >> HTML Compatibility > > > > >> > > > > >> The GENERAL and Microsoft OFFICE sections are the two you will want to > > > > >> edit. The options are self-explanatory on each of the pages. > > > > >> > > > > >> --Huck > > > > >> > > > > >> john wrote: > > > > >>> Hi all, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for > > > > >>> information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt > > > > >>> for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain > > > > >>> user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their > > > > >>> save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be > > > > >>> done? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Thanks in advance! > > > > >>> > > > > >>> John > > > > >>> > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > >>> K12OSN mailing list > > > > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > >>> For more info see > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > >> For more info see > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > From steven at simplycircus.com Tue Mar 28 03:22:52 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:22:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO In-Reply-To: <1143505971.15292.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I know it is possible to do with group policies. The trick is in applying the policies. I know that the openofficetechnology.com folks have a comercial product that does this fairly well, but they had to build their own policy interpeter to make it work. I wonder how hard it would be to develop an OSS tool that would do this for both Windows and Linux? Would sure seem to fit the bill, and the information is available. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Paul VanGundy Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 7:33 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO All, The best way to accomplish what you want is to use the default user method mentioned in an earlier email. That is how we do it in our school district and it works flawlessly. There is no group policy option to my knowledge. This is one issue in OpenOffice I would seriously like to see resolved. However, on another note, there is a way to manage Firefox via group policy the way you manage IE. -Paul On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 18:52 -0500, Steven Santos wrote: > Google just turned up this: > > Open Office 2.0/StarOffice8 do not make it easy to configure defaults. The > first time any user opens the program on a given computer they are greeted > with a EULA, and series of configuration screens. File save formats will > default to OpenDoc. One possible solution is to use scripting to copy the > setup.xcu file from a fully configured user to the profile of each user. > This approach turns out to be rather clumsy. A solution that works involves > modifying the installation files so that OO2/StarOffice8 sets up and > configures each user with the desired defaults. > > I posted one possible solution to the OpenOffice.org forum on November 9th. > Link here: > > http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.p > html?t=24737&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid > =5c103f13a5f7aa0f198eb26452b22b36 > > The following is for Windows System admins who want to maintain their sanity > while transitioning users from MS Office to OpenOffice2 or StarOffice8. The > idea is to introduce OO/Star without requiring an immediate switch to a new > document format and to allow users to begin using OO2 or StarOffice8 without > having to accept a license agreement and answer questions they may not know > how to answer. > > Depending whether you are using StarOffice8 or OpenOffice.org 2.0 - Do the > following on workstation after a a fresh installation of OO2 or > StarOffice8:: > > Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice > 8\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: > ((OR)) > Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org > 2.0\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: > > > 2005-11-05T18:30:11< /value> > > > > true > > > In C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice > 8\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup > ((O R)) > In C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org > 2.0\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup > > Locate file: Setup-calc.xcu > Replace " calc8" with "MS Excel 97" > > Locate file: Setup-impress.xcu > Replace " impress8" with " MS PowerPoint 97" > > Locate file: Setup-writer.xcu > Replace "writerglobal8" with " MS Word 97" **see note below** > Replace "writer8" with " MS Word 97" > > After this is done, I suggest storing the modified files with the > OO/StarOffice8 > installation (CD, Network share etc.). Write a post-installation batch file > to replace these files on target computers immediately after installation. > > You may want to change out the respective files in the installation .cab > files in the distribution. Doing so will eliminate the need for a > post-installation script. > > The result is that all users of the target computer (new and existing) will > not be prompted for user information on first use and will have the > default file format set for compatibility with Microsoft Office 97/2000/XP. > (This does not prevent the user from changing the default file save format > any time she chooses) > > Then go forth - install and evangelize! > Sell your users on the fact that OO/StarOffice8 is an *upgrade* from MS > office. > After about a year, go back and switch to OpenDoc and the battle is won. > > **note** > > I still have lingering questions about changing the ext.GlobalDocument > ooSetupFactoryDefaultFilter from "writerglobal8" to "MS Word 97. > It would be good for someone to test this to see if it is the right > thing to do. . > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > Mail: PO BOX 620753 > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 781-799-4938 > eFax: 309-214-0899 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of john > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:10 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO > > > Yeah, > > That's what I am thinking as well. As i read the OO forums I see that > other folks have been wanting a global parameter accessable from the > option menu for a while. I guess the OO devs/Sun aren't interested in > doing this. I guess it's complex enough that normal hackers aren't > able to add a widget to this? Dunno. \ > > Anyway here's what I ended up doing. I wrote a little .bat file and > stuck it on a hidden share on the network: > > xcopy /E /Y "\\my_server\hide$\OpenOffice.org2\*.*" > "%userprofile%\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2" > > That seemed to do the trick. > > Thanks Huck. > > John > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > > Perhaps you can do it for ONE user... > > then copy the folder "user" in C:\Documents and > > Settings\dhuckaby\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2\ > > to all of the other users, in a login script maybe? > > > > --Huck > > > > john wrote: > > > Hi Huck, > > > > > > Thanks, however, I need this to work for ALL users, regardless of > > > whether they have ever logged on to a particular machine running XP, > > > and it needs to happen automatically e.g. just like it does under > > > k12ltsp. > > > > > > I appreciate the response! > > > > > > John > > > > > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > > >> On your window's installation: > > >> > > >> tools->options->load/save-> > > >> > > >> there are 4 sections: > > >> General > > >> VBA Properties > > >> Microsoft Office > > >> HTML Compatibility > > >> > > >> The GENERAL and Microsoft OFFICE sections are the two you will want to > > >> edit. The options are self-explanatory on each of the pages. > > >> > > >> --Huck > > >> > > >> john wrote: > > >>> Hi all, > > >>> > > >>> This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for > > >>> information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt > > >>> for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain > > >>> user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their > > >>> save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be > > >>> done? > > >>> > > >>> Thanks in advance! > > >>> > > >>> John > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> K12OSN mailing list > > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>> For more info see > > >>> > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From chuck at ckollars.org Tue Mar 28 03:34:09 2006 From: chuck at ckollars.org (Chuck Kollars) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:34:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO References: <20060328002954.5592F7306F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4428AEB1.8446136C@ckollars.org> > >This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for > >information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt > >for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? > > The best way to accomplish what you want is to use the default user > method mentioned in an earlier email. > If you want to know exactly what the "default user" method is or how to do it, or want to know a little more about how you can take advantage of Windoze-specific procedures, peruse http://www.ckollars.org/defaultuser.html -Chuck Kollars -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chuck at ckollars.org Tue Mar 28 03:43:42 2006 From: chuck at ckollars.org (Chuck Kollars) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:43:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] pGina experiences? Message-ID: <4428B0EE.AFE158B6@ckollars.org> More than a year has passed since the flurry of interest in pGina on this list ...so what do those of you who've used pGina think now? What's the biggest advantage of pGina over the built-in gina that comes with Windows? What environment(s) is pGina best suited for? What does pGina do best? What is pGina's biggest weakness? Do you still use pGina? What "plug-in" do you use with pGina? Do you think ongoing support for pGina and the plug-in you use (and the LDAPAuth plug-in) is sufficient? tia! -Chuck Kollars From luis.montes at cox.net Tue Mar 28 03:52:38 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:52:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603271632rec104b0j6d665ffb8d59704d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603271509o56fa1c52s598305cdcd833db5@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50603271632rec104b0j6d665ffb8d59704d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4428B306.3020801@cox.net> Dumping java at this point would be a really bad idea. Sun was able to put together a decent Access replacement because of the java database connectivity layer. They are the ones footing the bill for development and should pick whatever tools to develop in that they see fit. If anything, more effort should be put into what Redhat is doing to ensure that the GCJ/GNU Classpath java stack works will with the open office code. Fedora's implementation is 100% open source and it is usable, but there are still some bugs to work out. Back on topic, OpenOffice 1.x had the ability to read an environmental variable to globally set MS formats as the default. I'm sure the removal of this in 2.0 was no accident. Why not just make sure that OpenOffice is the default app to open .doc files? Let the office suite write to ODFs by default, the proliferation of this format is a good thing. Luis john wrote: >Thanks Steven, > >I am surprised that no one has "scratched this itch" with a >widget/menu plug-in. I can only surmise that it's not easy to get >involved with the OO project. I wish someone would fork it and dump >Java while they're at it. Ah but that's a rant for a different day. >:-) > >John > >On 3/27/06, Steven Santos wrote: > > >>Google just turned up this: >> >>Open Office 2.0/StarOffice8 do not make it easy to configure defaults. The >>first time any user opens the program on a given computer they are greeted >>with a EULA, and series of configuration screens. File save formats will >>default to OpenDoc. One possible solution is to use scripting to copy the >>setup.xcu file from a fully configured user to the profile of each user. >>This approach turns out to be rather clumsy. A solution that works involves >>modifying the installation files so that OO2/StarOffice8 sets up and >>configures each user with the desired defaults. >> >>I posted one possible solution to the OpenOffice.org forum on November 9th. >>Link here: >> >>http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.p >>html?t=24737&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid >>=5c103f13a5f7aa0f198eb26452b22b36 >> >>The following is for Windows System admins who want to maintain their sanity >>while transitioning users from MS Office to OpenOffice2 or StarOffice8. The >>idea is to introduce OO/Star without requiring an immediate switch to a new >>document format and to allow users to begin using OO2 or StarOffice8 without >>having to accept a license agreement and answer questions they may not know >>how to answer. >> >>Depending whether you are using StarOffice8 or OpenOffice.org 2.0 - Do the >>following on workstation after a a fresh installation of OO2 or >>StarOffice8:: >> >>Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice >>8\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: >>((OR)) >>Add these lines to "C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org >>2.0\share\registry\data\org\openoffice\Setup.xcu" at line 38: >> >> >>2005-11-05T18:30:11< /value> >> >> >> >>true >> >> >>In C:\Program Files\Sun\StarOffice >>8\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup >>((O R)) >>In C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org >>2.0\share\registry\modules\org\openoffice\Setup >> >> Locate file: Setup-calc.xcu >> Replace " calc8" with "MS Excel 97" >> >> Locate file: Setup-impress.xcu >> Replace " impress8" with " MS PowerPoint 97" >> >> Locate file: Setup-writer.xcu >> Replace "writerglobal8" with " MS Word 97" **see note below** >> Replace "writer8" with " MS Word 97" >> >>After this is done, I suggest storing the modified files with the >>OO/StarOffice8 >>installation (CD, Network share etc.). Write a post-installation batch file >>to replace these files on target computers immediately after installation. >> >>You may want to change out the respective files in the installation .cab >>files in the distribution. Doing so will eliminate the need for a >>post-installation script. >> >>The result is that all users of the target computer (new and existing) will >>not be prompted for user information on first use and will have the >>default file format set for compatibility with Microsoft Office 97/2000/XP. >>(This does not prevent the user from changing the default file save format >>any time she chooses) >> >>Then go forth - install and evangelize! >>Sell your users on the fact that OO/StarOffice8 is an *upgrade* from MS >>office. >>After about a year, go back and switch to OpenDoc and the battle is won. >> >>**note** >> >> I still have lingering questions about changing the ext.GlobalDocument >> ooSetupFactoryDefaultFilter from "writerglobal8" to "MS Word 97. >> It would be good for someone to test this to see if it is the right >> thing to do. . >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Steven Santos >>Director, Simply Circus, Inc. >>Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com >> Mail: PO BOX 620753 >> Newton, MA 02462 >>Phone: 781-799-4938 >> eFax: 309-214-0899 >> Web: www.SimplyCircus.com >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>Behalf Of john >>Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:10 PM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO >> >> >>Yeah, >> >>That's what I am thinking as well. As i read the OO forums I see that >>other folks have been wanting a global parameter accessable from the >>option menu for a while. I guess the OO devs/Sun aren't interested in >>doing this. I guess it's complex enough that normal hackers aren't >>able to add a widget to this? Dunno. \ >> >>Anyway here's what I ended up doing. I wrote a little .bat file and >>stuck it on a hidden share on the network: >> >>xcopy /E /Y "\\my_server\hide$\OpenOffice.org2\*.*" >>"%userprofile%\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2" >> >>That seemed to do the trick. >> >>Thanks Huck. >> >>John >> >>On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: >> >> >>>Perhaps you can do it for ONE user... >>>then copy the folder "user" in C:\Documents and >>>Settings\dhuckaby\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2\ >>>to all of the other users, in a login script maybe? >>> >>>--Huck >>> >>>john wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hi Huck, >>>> >>>>Thanks, however, I need this to work for ALL users, regardless of >>>>whether they have ever logged on to a particular machine running XP, >>>>and it needs to happen automatically e.g. just like it does under >>>>k12ltsp. >>>> >>>>I appreciate the response! >>>> >>>>John >>>> >>>>On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>On your window's installation: >>>>> >>>>>tools->options->load/save-> >>>>> >>>>>there are 4 sections: >>>>>General >>>>>VBA Properties >>>>>Microsoft Office >>>>>HTML Compatibility >>>>> >>>>>The GENERAL and Microsoft OFFICE sections are the two you will want to >>>>>edit. The options are self-explanatory on each of the pages. >>>>> >>>>>--Huck >>>>> >>>>>john wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>>This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for >>>>>>information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt >>>>>>for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain >>>>>>user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their >>>>>>save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be >>>>>>done? >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks in advance! >>>>>> >>>>>>John >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From veewee77 at alltel.net Tue Mar 28 13:10:19 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:10:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Madwifi wireless driver In-Reply-To: <8C81FFD6FA7A974-246C-1598@mblkn-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <4427E5AF.3070107@cox-internet.com> <8C81FFD6FA7A974-246C-1598@mblkn-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <442935BB.7000906@alltel.net> Please send to me, as well. . . Thanks Doug bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi Dan, > > Yes please! I've had nothing but problems trying to get the D-link to > work. Please send it to my company address nbedoucha at xtlabs.org > > thank you > norbert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Loomis > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Sent: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:16:31 -0600 > Subject: [K12OSN] Madwifi wireless driver > > Norbert, > > Madwifi rpms are notoriously out of date. It is best to download the > latest sources from cvs, compile and install. I have a script that > automates the task if you are interested. I can send it to you offlist. > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ___________________________________________________ > Try the New Netscape Mail Today! > Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List > http://mail.netscape.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From trond at maehlum.net Tue Mar 28 13:25:02 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:25:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] No keyboard when X starts. In-Reply-To: <442935BB.7000906@alltel.net> References: <4427E5AF.3070107@cox-internet.com> <8C81FFD6FA7A974-246C-1598@mblkn-m05.sysops.aol.com> <442935BB.7000906@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4429392E.5040901@maehlum.net> I have run into a strange problem. We have about 500 terminals running. They are custom made, VIA based mini-itx terminals. They work fine, sound and all. Now the manufacturer has upgraded the hardware somewhat, new mainboard and faster cpu. They seem to boot fine, but here's the thing: If I connect ps2 keyboard+usbmouse (like we usually do), the keyboard dies when X starts. If I connect ps2 keyboard and ps2 mouse, everything works fine. But they get delivered with usbmouse... I got 70 of these today and I would like to get them up and running. The old type works like before running off the same server. We run K12LTSP4.4.0 (or is it 4.4.1?) with 2.4.26-ltsp kernel. The interesting part of lts.conf is pasted below. Can anyone help me sort this out? # Mice drivers for the terminals X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" # Mouse protocols: ExplorerPS/2 GlidePoint GlidePointPS/2 # IMPS/2 IntelliMouse Microsoft MouseManPlusPS/2 # NetMousePS/2 NetScrollPS/2 PS/2 ThinkingMouse # ThinkingMousePS/2 usb X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS = "off" # Keyboards XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)" XkbModel = "pc101" XkbLayout = "no" Best Regards Trond Maehlum From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 28 13:44:35 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:44:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Boston - LTSP 4.2 release In-Reply-To: <44284B68.8060103@McQuil.com> References: <20060327191252.M783@winonacotter.org> <44284B68.8060103@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <20060328134047.M38640@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:30:32 -0500, Jim McQuillan wrote > Jim, > > We'll be showing LTSP_4.2 on Ubuntu Breezy. It should run equally > well on Fedora FC4 and FC5, although some tweaks to ltspcfg may be > needed for FC5. Actually I was hoping you would say it was going to be on Ubuntu. I have switched to Kubuntu on all my desktops now and love it. I want to try the new LTSP 4.2 on Kubuntu Breezy, but I was worried about how putting 4.2 on top of Breezy would affect the built in LTSP stuff. Do I need to remove anything or can I simply slam 4.2 on top and go? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 13:59:40 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:59:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No keyboard when X starts. In-Reply-To: <4429392E.5040901@maehlum.net> References: <4427E5AF.3070107@cox-internet.com> <8C81FFD6FA7A974-246C-1598@mblkn-m05.sysops.aol.com> <442935BB.7000906@alltel.net> <4429392E.5040901@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560603280559v604ba056tb8fabd44c6319081@mail.gmail.com> Try this: X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 5 X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" On 3/28/06, Trond M?hlum wrote: > I have run into a strange problem. We have about 500 terminals running. > They are custom made, VIA based mini-itx terminals. They work fine, > sound and all. > > Now the manufacturer has upgraded the hardware somewhat, new mainboard > and faster cpu. They seem to boot fine, but here's the thing: > > If I connect ps2 keyboard+usbmouse (like we usually do), the keyboard > dies when X starts. > > If I connect ps2 keyboard and ps2 mouse, everything works fine. But they > get delivered with usbmouse... I got 70 of these today and I would like > to get them up and running. > > The old type works like before running off the same server. We run > K12LTSP4.4.0 (or is it 4.4.1?) with 2.4.26-ltsp kernel. The interesting > part of lts.conf is pasted below. Can anyone help me sort this out? > > > # Mice drivers for the terminals > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" > X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" > # Mouse protocols: ExplorerPS/2 GlidePoint GlidePointPS/2 > # IMPS/2 IntelliMouse Microsoft MouseManPlusPS/2 > # NetMousePS/2 NetScrollPS/2 PS/2 ThinkingMouse > # ThinkingMousePS/2 usb > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS = "off" > > # Keyboards > XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)" > XkbModel = "pc101" > XkbLayout = "no" > > > Best Regards > Trond Maehlum > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Mar 28 13:32:13 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:32:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum Message-ID: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> All, As I walked in to work today I was approached by the computer teacher talking about curriculum and changing it. I asked what he was talking about and he had said since we have all moved to OpenOffice in our district there was talk of him needing to change his curriculum. He isn't very happy about that so I am emailing to see if anyone on this list would be willing to share lesson plans, curriculum or anything educational to help our computer teacher's out in our district. I can understand the frustration and am trying to help them as much as possible. Do any of you teach OpenOffice in your computer classes/district? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, March 27, 2006 at 2:15 PM +0000 wrote: >Can I ask what distro LTSP 4.2 will be showcased on? I can't wait, the >new >features look awesome. The new/expanded local device support will be >huge. > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >Department, and is believed to be clean. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Mar 28 14:27:12 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:27:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum Message-ID: <20060328072712.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.1bd0866d6d.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Paul, I don't know if you have already seen these, but here is a link to Oo tutorials delivered in HTML or Flash. http://www.learnopenoffice.org/tutorials.htm Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum > From: "Paul VanGundy" > Date: Tue, March 28, 2006 7:32 am > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > > > All, > > As I walked in to work today I was approached by the computer teacher talking about curriculum and changing it. I asked what he was talking about and he had said since we have all moved to OpenOffice in our district there was talk of him needing to change his curriculum. He isn't very happy about that so I am emailing to see if anyone on this list would be willing to share lesson plans, curriculum or anything educational to help our computer teacher's out in our district. I can understand the frustration and am trying to help them as much as possible. Do any of you teach OpenOffice in your computer classes/district? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Mar 28 14:29:35 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:29:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum Message-ID: <20060328072935.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2613078254.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Paul, Here are some more tutorials on Oo. http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org/ Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum > From: "Paul VanGundy" > Date: Tue, March 28, 2006 7:32 am > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > > > All, > > As I walked in to work today I was approached by the computer teacher talking about curriculum and changing it. I asked what he was talking about and he had said since we have all moved to OpenOffice in our district there was talk of him needing to change his curriculum. He isn't very happy about that so I am emailing to see if anyone on this list would be willing to share lesson plans, curriculum or anything educational to help our computer teacher's out in our district. I can understand the frustration and am trying to help them as much as possible. Do any of you teach OpenOffice in your computer classes/district? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Mar 28 14:36:55 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:36:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum Message-ID: <20060328073655.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2262f2d0c9.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Paul, Here is something that may be of some help. http://ooextras.sourceforge.net/ Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum > From: "Paul VanGundy" > Date: Tue, March 28, 2006 7:32 am > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > > > All, > > As I walked in to work today I was approached by the computer teacher talking about curriculum and changing it. I asked what he was talking about and he had said since we have all moved to OpenOffice in our district there was talk of him needing to change his curriculum. He isn't very happy about that so I am emailing to see if anyone on this list would be willing to share lesson plans, curriculum or anything educational to help our computer teacher's out in our district. I can understand the frustration and am trying to help them as much as possible. Do any of you teach OpenOffice in your computer classes/district? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From accessys at smart.net Tue Mar 28 14:46:05 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:46:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Boston - LTSP 4.2 release In-Reply-To: References: <20060327191252.M783@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, David Trask wrote: > ....will you be joining us again at LW in Boston? It was > great meeting you and Mike last year. Hope you can come. what are the dates???? 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Mar 28 14:47:50 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:47:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum Message-ID: <20060328074750.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9b42e0f3db.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Paul, One more. http://www.openoffice-support.net/ Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum > From: "Paul VanGundy" > Date: Tue, March 28, 2006 7:32 am > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > > > All, > > As I walked in to work today I was approached by the computer teacher talking about curriculum and changing it. I asked what he was talking about and he had said since we have all moved to OpenOffice in our district there was talk of him needing to change his curriculum. He isn't very happy about that so I am emailing to see if anyone on this list would be willing to share lesson plans, curriculum or anything educational to help our computer teacher's out in our district. I can understand the frustration and am trying to help them as much as possible. Do any of you teach OpenOffice in your computer classes/district? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Mar 28 14:49:40 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:49:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum In-Reply-To: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: Arrrggghhhh! (Nothing about you Paul....just the attitude of the computer teacher you mention) "Teach concepts....not applications!" I have no idea why this teacher (and I too am a teacher) feels the need to alter his/her curriculum to suit and application. Typing a document on OO in 95% the same as in MSWord. I teach all of 'em. Abiword, OO, StarOffice (I know it's no different than OO...I just intro that fact), MS Word (via Terminal Server)....so in the end....the kids simply use whatever is most available to them at the time (usually OO, but some kids prefer the speed of AbiWord). (this teacher would benefit from the "teacher track" at the Gould Academy NELS http://www.nelinux.net as we'll be discussing this very topic and also working with and sharing ideas for lesson plans...etc. using Open Source apps....regardless of platform) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 8:32 AM +0000 wrote: >As I walked in to work today I was approached by the computer teacher >talking about curriculum and changing it. I asked what he was talking >about and he had said since we have all moved to OpenOffice in our >district there was talk of him needing to change his curriculum. He isn't >very happy about that so I am emailing to see if anyone on this list >would be willing to share lesson plans, curriculum or anything >educational to help our computer teacher's out in our district. I can >understand the frustration and am trying to help them as much as >possible. Do any of you teach OpenOffice in your computer >classes/district? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. >Thanks in advance. > David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 28 14:51:47 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:51:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum In-Reply-To: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44294D83.9000303@maltzen.net> FWIW, I have run into similar resistance. Solveig Haugland, author of one of the definitive books on OOo, does have training manuals, workbooks, etc. for use in teaching OOo classes. You can find them at www.getopenoffice.org. They're not free, but they don't cost very much either. Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > As I walked in to work today I was approached by the computer teacher > talking about curriculum and changing it. I asked what he was talking > about and he had said since we have all moved to OpenOffice in our > district there was talk of him needing to change his curriculum. He > isn't very happy about that so I am emailing to see if anyone on this > list would be willing to share lesson plans, curriculum or anything > educational to help our computer teacher's out in our district. I can > understand the frustration and am trying to help them as much as > possible. Do any of you teach OpenOffice in your computer > classes/district? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Mar 28 14:52:04 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:52:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Boston - LTSP 4.2 release In-Reply-To: References: <20060327191252.M783@winonacotter.org> < > Message-ID: April 3-6 http://www.linuxworldexpo.com "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 9:46 AM +0000 wrote: >On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, David Trask wrote: > >> ....will you be joining us again at LW in Boston? It was >> great meeting you and Mike last year. Hope you can come. > >what are the dates???? > >Bob > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right >*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# >THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be >privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From accessys at smart.net Tue Mar 28 14:54:50 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:54:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Boston - LTSP 4.2 release In-Reply-To: References: <20060327191252.M783@winonacotter.org> < > Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, David Trask wrote: > April 3-6 Bummer, I have to be in Boston May 5th for work...... Bob > > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 9:46 AM +0000 wrote: > >On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, David Trask wrote: > > > >> ....will you be joining us again at LW in Boston? 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From ericbrow at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 15:03:04 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:03:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum In-Reply-To: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: I hope I'm not stating the obvious, but I don't think the curriculum should say stuff like "Use the Microsoft Wizard to make a business letter", but should say things like "Students will learn how to make the business letter." The only thing that should change in the business teachers operations is learning that what they want may be under Tools instead of Insert, or that a particular button may be on the left instead of above. As a math teacher, I do not teach how to do calculus using the TI-86, I teach calculus. We use some tools to help us do that. One tool is the TI-86. I think that if the curriculum in the business department is Word Processing Using Word, it does need to be re-written to say Word Processing (Period). The particular tool your district is using is OO, which, in terms of the final end product (like a business letter), is indistingushable from a letter produced using a typewriter, ClarisWorks, or Microsoft word. I'm currently fighting this in my district. What's funny, the individual who wrote the curriculum that I'm following thinks I should be teaching using Apple, and refuses to allow me to spend any $$ on anything unless it goes to Apple. I had to purchase my K12LTSP server from ebay using my own funds. That's the approach I'd use in my argument. When you can back that up with money saved, I don't see how they can logically keep their position. Eric On 3/28/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > All, > > As I walked in to work today I was approached by the computer teacher > talking about curriculum and changing it. I asked what he was talking about > and he had said since we have all moved to OpenOffice in our district there > was talk of him needing to change his curriculum. He isn't very happy about > that so I am emailing to see if anyone on this list would be willing to > share lesson plans, curriculum or anything educational to help our computer > teacher's out in our district. I can understand the frustration and am > trying to help them as much as possible. Do any of you teach OpenOffice in > your computer classes/district? Any and all information would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > -- > > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Mar 28 15:30:55 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:30:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum Message-ID: <39863.172.28.8.55.1143559855.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, Thanks for eveyone sharing what they have had to overcome in just trying to get the Opensource programs initiated into their schools. Im very much in the same boat at the school i am at , in that the last superintendent was very receptive to Linux,due to the $$ savings and availabilty of help from message boards like this one,and it being a "community effort". We have a new superintedent this year due to the fact that our school and another school "up the road" merged,there for, the new school board,etc. The first words from the new superintendent when trying to explain the benefits of Opensource/Linux was "Well weather you like it or not Its a Microsoft world out there". Need I say more?:(. Bottom line around here is "well its, free but how long will OOo stay free",,or something similar. this was another question about Linux/ K12LTSP viabilty. Im sure you all have had the same frustration, in diffenrent ways when "preaching" about Linux/ K12LTSP. As said earlier kids will pickup very quickly on the "bells and whistles" of each app, but certain teachers just have the same mundain routine, sort of like,, "We should have Apples to do such and such". But then again .I m just a lowly peon in the scheme of things:) Just my 2 cents. Barry Cisna From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 15:32:51 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:32:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions Message-ID: <9bd317560603280732w18575ffdjf9ddffb92cc359f5@mail.gmail.com> Forgive me if these are silly questions, but I'm trying to figure out the possible different ways that people implement smb/ldap with ltsp. Do people tend to have their smb/ldap machines also be file servers for /home? Will one machine suffice in that configuration or should one have a backup domain controller? Does anyone keep dedicated machines just for authentication and is that possible? With a single ltsp server, wouldn't that involve smb or nfs mounting /home back on the ltsp server and for linux terminal sessions would the server 'know' that it was actually hosting /home and not bother to use the network for file access or would there be some network overhead in doing it that way. I'm feeling around in the dark here - shed some light? Thanks, Peter From webmaster at vol.org Tue Mar 28 15:42:46 2006 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:42:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum In-Reply-To: References: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1143560566.27235.42.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 09:03, Eric Brown wrote: > The only thing that should change in the business teachers operations > is learning that what they want may be under Tools instead of Insert, > or that a particular button may be on the left instead of above. Have you seen any of the screenshots floating around for the beta versions of Office 12? http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/ui/overview.mspx The interface has been almost completely redesigned. I've not used it so I can't say how well it works, but people who hate OpenOffice due to things not being where they expect are in for a very rude awakening when Office 12 is forced upon them. I believe this will be an advantage for OpenOffice unless OO copies the new Office interface. OO will then have more in common with well-known MS Office versions than the newest version of MS Office. > As a math teacher, I do not teach how to do calculus using the TI-86, > I teach calculus. We use some tools to help us do that. One tool is > the TI-86. I think that if the curriculum in the business department > is Word Processing Using Word, it does need to be re-written to say > Word Processing (Period). A tactic that I've successfully used in past arguments such as this is to demonstrate that the basic concepts of using office type applications has not changed since the introduction of the Apple Lisa. I've actually used a Mac SE running a 1986 version of Microsoft Works to prove my point. Older versions of various programs and operating systems can easily be installed in emulators such as QEMU or virtual machines such as VMware. I enjoy watching reactions to my copy of Windows 1.01 running under QEMU! -- george kocke http://www.vol.org From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Mar 28 15:46:50 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:46:50 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum In-Reply-To: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: Curriculum being: Word Processing (learning word processing, not learning M$ Word) OpenOffice does that. Spreadsheet (learning how to use a spreadsheet, not M$ Excel) OpenOffice does that, too. Presentation (learning how to create a presentation, not M$ PowerPoint) OpenOffice does that, once again. Database (learning how to set up a database, not learning M$ Access) Not again. . . OpenOffice 2.x does this stuff well. . . Curriculum wouldn't have to be changed much, just modified slightly for the differences in the programs. Teaching kids how to use one vendor's product handicaps them anyway. Learn M$ Word and you are lost in something else that you may find out in the real world. Learn the basics of "word processing" and you can figure it out on just about any word processing program. Same with the other programs. It is actually pretty easy (yet takes a bit of time) to use the same books you taught "M$ Word" from and generalize the information to work with just about anything else to teach "word processing". Some do some tasks easier or better than others, but the point is, learn the concepts, not one vendor's way of doing things. The kids will be better off if they learn "word processing" not how to make a document with one certain program. What happens when M$ changed their software with the next version? Guess what? Everything is different. Curriculum changes anyway. Teach general concepts and it won't matter what tool you use you can still get the job done. A ratchet wrench will tighten a bolt and so will a box-end wrench. The thing you need to remember is "righty-tighty, lefty-loosey". No matter the tool, that is how you tighten a bolt. Word, Wordpad, Corel WordPerfect, Abiword, OpenOffice Writer, Lotus, and a host of other programs are "tools" to do word processing. The thing to remember is "this is how a Business letter looks" or "this is how a personal letter looks", or "this is why a document is formatted just so", and etc. JMHO, YMMV Have a great day! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > As I walked in to work today I was approached by the computer teacher > talking about curriculum and changing it. I asked what he was talking about > and he had said since we have all moved to OpenOffice in our district there > was talk of him needing to change his curriculum. He isn't very happy about > that so I am emailing to see if anyone on this list would be willing to > share lesson plans, curriculum or anything educational to help our computer > teacher's out in our district. I can understand the frustration and am > trying to help them as much as possible. Do any of you teach OpenOffice in > your computer classes/district? Any and all information would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > From jjmorin at winthropschools.org Tue Mar 28 15:51:38 2006 From: jjmorin at winthropschools.org (Jon Morin) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:51:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: PowerGrade authentication failure Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone happen to use PowerGrade accross a firewall? We use PowerSchool and PowerGrade in our district grade school, middle school, and high school. PowerSchool currently works for everyone. Teachers at the middle school and high school can connect PowerGrade to the PowerSchool server (located at the high school, with an external IP address), but the grade school folks cannot. We are getting "An error occurred when attempting to contact the PowerSchool server: Authentication attempt failed -2014" I'm guessing that this is probably a firewall thing. There is an SME Linux router at the grade school, and maybe a port is being blocked or something? I'm not a firewall wiz, so any help or pointers in the right direction would be appreciated. Thanks, Jon From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Tue Mar 28 15:53:20 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:53:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions In-Reply-To: <9bd317560603280732w18575ffdjf9ddffb92cc359f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560603280732w18575ffdjf9ddffb92cc359f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52022.70.58.177.105.1143561200.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Peter Hartmann wrote: > Forgive me if these are silly questions, but I'm trying to figure out > the possible different ways that people implement smb/ldap with ltsp. There are many ways to do this, it's taken me awhile to settle on a setup that works for me. > Do people tend to have their smb/ldap machines also be file servers > for /home? You certainly can, and this is probably the easiest way to set things up. I like to have multiple DNS names point at the same machine, one for each service. That way, I can seperate those services out on to other machines if I need to without reconfiguring everything. Will one machine suffice in that configuration or should > one have a backup domain controller? It depends on how many computers you are going to be supporting, and how much downtime is acceptible to you. The Samba folks make _very_ conservative suggestions with regard to how many computers should be supported by one PDC. I seem to recall suggestions in the ballpark of 50 per auth server. I am currently running several hundred from one auth/file server and performance seems fine. Note though that this server is _not_ doing ltsp, samba, dhcp, and ldap. Does anyone keep dedicated > machines just for authentication and is that possible? Yes some people do this and it is possible. You can create LDAP slaves who replicate from the master server. The official samba howto and "by example" books go into this. www.samba.org With a single > ltsp server, wouldn't that involve smb or nfs mounting /home back on > the ltsp server and for linux terminal sessions would the server > 'know' that it was actually hosting /home and not bother to use the > network for file access or would there be some network overhead in > doing it that way. I'm not quite sure I'm following your logic here, so please correct any incorrect assumptions I'm making. It sounds like you have everything (ltsp, samba, ldap, dhcp, etc.) all running on the same server. Is that correct? If so, then, no there is not any sort of network mounting that needs to happen. If you mean that you have home directories on one server and LTSP on another, then yes, an nfs mount is needed. The server doesn't care where or how /home is connected. If there is a remote network drive mounted there, it uses that, if there isn't, it doesn't. I have a presentation I did on LTSP up at http://www.slane.k12.or.us/index.pl/oss . There is a diagram of my setup about 3/4 of the way through it that might help illustrate things for you. -- -Regards- Quentin Hartman Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon V (541)767-3778 F (541)767-3041 www.slane.k12.or.us From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 28 15:56:03 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:56:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum In-Reply-To: <39863.172.28.8.55.1143559855.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <39863.172.28.8.55.1143559855.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <44295C93.6030805@maltzen.net> Just one problem with the "It's a MS world out there": It's not true. Yes, there are many Windows computers in the world, but there are also many Macintoshes, there are many places where WordPerfect is the word processor, there are many places where Novell Netware is the file server, there are many places where Lotus Notes is the email system, and so on. People who say it's an MS world are mostly revealing that they don't know much about the computing world and that they are essentially afraid of their computer in that they won't be able to make it work if things aren't exactly as they expect. As has been pointed out on this list many times, these fear-driven statements come from adults, not the kids; the kids quickly adapt to whatever is put in front of them. While they haven't abandoned MS Office (yet), I did get my school to write its standards to say that kids should learn 'word processing' instead of 'MS Word' and so on, by pointing out that ten years ago Word Perfect and Lotus 123 were the dominant apps in most businesses, and that, as David has pointed out, the kids should be learning the concepts, not the specific implementations which change with each new version. Petre cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello List, > > Thanks for eveyone sharing what they have had to overcome in just trying > to get the Opensource programs initiated into their schools. Im very much > in the same boat at the school i am at , in that the last superintendent > was very receptive to Linux,due to the $$ savings and availabilty of help > from message boards like this one,and it being a "community effort". We > have a new superintedent this year due to the fact that our school and > another school "up the road" merged,there for, the new school board,etc. > The first words from the new superintendent when trying to explain the > benefits of Opensource/Linux was "Well weather you like it or not Its a > Microsoft world out there". Need I say more?:(. Bottom line around here is > "well its, free but how long will OOo stay free",,or something similar. > this was another question about Linux/ K12LTSP viabilty. Im sure you all > have had the same frustration, in diffenrent ways when "preaching" about > Linux/ K12LTSP. > As said earlier kids will pickup very quickly on the "bells and whistles" > of each app, but certain teachers just have the same mundain routine, > sort of like,, "We should have Apples to do such and such". > But then again .I m just a lowly peon in the scheme of things:) > Just my 2 cents. > > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Mar 28 16:22:40 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:22:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions In-Reply-To: <9bd317560603280732w18575ffdjf9ddffb92cc359f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560603280732w18575ffdjf9ddffb92cc359f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: First...go here and download smbldap-installer (makes the whole process very easy). http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/ In the "getting started" section be sure to download the latest version from the original server (majen.net/smbldap). What I do. I have multiple K12LTSP servers. These servers have no /home and no users. All my users and /home live on the Samba/LDAP server. The Samba/LDAP server is also the PDC serving roaming profiles for the Windows side of things. Very efficient...easy to backup and works great. Make sure you have gigabit all around between the servers. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 10:32 AM +0000 wrote: >Forgive me if these are silly questions, but I'm trying to figure out >the possible different ways that people implement smb/ldap with ltsp. > Do people tend to have their smb/ldap machines also be file servers >for /home? Will one machine suffice in that configuration or should >one have a backup domain controller? Does anyone keep dedicated >machines just for authentication and is that possible? With a single >ltsp server, wouldn't that involve smb or nfs mounting /home back on >the ltsp server and for linux terminal sessions would the server >'know' that it was actually hosting /home and not bother to use the >network for file access or would there be some network overhead in >doing it that way. I'm feeling around in the dark here - shed some >light? > > > > > >Thanks, >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Mar 28 16:31:58 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:31:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions Message-ID: <20060328093158.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.05ccead38b.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> David, Is that an internal site. I keep getting "connection refused" when trying to connect. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions > From: "David Trask" > Date: Tue, March 28, 2006 10:22 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > First...go here and download smbldap-installer (makes the whole > process very easy). > > http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/ > > In the "getting started" section be sure to download the latest version > from the original server (majen.net/smbldap). > > What I do. I have multiple K12LTSP servers. These servers have no /home > and no users. All my users and /home live on the Samba/LDAP server. The > Samba/LDAP server is also the PDC serving roaming profiles for the Windows > side of things. Very efficient...easy to backup and works great. Make > sure you have gigabit all around between the servers. > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 10:32 AM +0000 wrote: > >Forgive me if these are silly questions, but I'm trying to figure out > >the possible different ways that people implement smb/ldap with ltsp. > > Do people tend to have their smb/ldap machines also be file servers > >for /home? Will one machine suffice in that configuration or should > >one have a backup domain controller? Does anyone keep dedicated > >machines just for authentication and is that possible? With a single > >ltsp server, wouldn't that involve smb or nfs mounting /home back on > >the ltsp server and for linux terminal sessions would the server > >'know' that it was actually hosting /home and not bother to use the > >network for file access or would there be some network overhead in > >doing it that way. I'm feeling around in the dark here - shed some > >light? > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > >Peter > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 28 16:46:49 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:46:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Dog Food Message-ID: <44296879.3020700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I just upgraded our terminal server at work to the K12LTSP 5.0 beta. So far, so good. I had a little wackiness with my LDAP config where it won't connect to servers by host name, only IP address. All of the other FC5 boxes we have around work just fine, probably a simple misconfig that I'll chase down later. Some of the user profiles (mine & Dan's) were broken and had to be nuked (the "Reset Desktop" session should do the trick). Other than that, it was smooth sailing ;-) -Eric From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 28 16:54:47 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:54:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Dog Food In-Reply-To: <44296879.3020700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44296879.3020700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44296A57.5020203@mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > Some of the user profiles (mine & Dan's) were broken and had to be nuked > (the "Reset Desktop" session should do the trick). Tracked this down to ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/%gconf.xml Nuking that will reset your background and fonts, but keep taskbar launchers, theme. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Mar 28 17:33:48 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:33:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions In-Reply-To: <20060328093158.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.05ccead38b.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060328093158.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.05ccead38b.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 11:31 AM +0000 wrote: >David, > >Is that an internal site. I keep getting "connection refused" when >trying to connect. > > >Ron > > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-7073 x26 >(251) 238-1890 cell >1*4238*104 SouthernLinc >rmcdaniel at indata.us We're having internet issues.....keep trying > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions >> From: "David Trask" >> Date: Tue, March 28, 2006 10:22 am >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> >> First...go here and download smbldap-installer (makes the whole >> process very easy). >> >> http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/ >> >> In the "getting started" section be sure to download the latest version >> from the original server (majen.net/smbldap). >> >> What I do. I have multiple K12LTSP servers. These servers have no >/home >> and no users. All my users and /home live on the Samba/LDAP server. >The >> Samba/LDAP server is also the PDC serving roaming profiles for the >Windows >> side of things. Very efficient...easy to backup and works great. Make >> sure you have gigabit all around between the servers. >> >> >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >on >> Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 10:32 AM +0000 wrote: >> >Forgive me if these are silly questions, but I'm trying to figure out >> >the possible different ways that people implement smb/ldap with ltsp. >> > Do people tend to have their smb/ldap machines also be file servers >> >for /home? Will one machine suffice in that configuration or should >> >one have a backup domain controller? Does anyone keep dedicated >> >machines just for authentication and is that possible? With a single >> >ltsp server, wouldn't that involve smb or nfs mounting /home back on >> >the ltsp server and for linux terminal sessions would the server >> >'know' that it was actually hosting /home and not bother to use the >> >network for file access or would there be some network overhead in >> >doing it that way. I'm feeling around in the dark here - shed some >> >light? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Thanks, >> >Peter >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >K12OSN at redhat.com >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >For more info see >> >> >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Director >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Tue Mar 28 18:25:14 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:25:14 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions] Message-ID: <1143570314.9710.20.camel@techstation.dequesoutpost.com> -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Quentin Hartman Reply-To: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us To: Peter Hartmann Subject: Re: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:24:06 -0800 On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 12:49 -0500, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Quentin, > Thanks for writing. > > > You certainly can, and this is probably the easiest way to set things up. > > I like to have multiple DNS names point at the same machine, one for each > > service. That way, I can seperate those services out on to other machines > > if I need to without reconfiguring everything. > > That's a great idea. Just out of curiousity, what would, or could, > you farm out if you needed to? For instance, I am planning on putting LDAP on a dedicated machine this summer. We are putting up more and more services that authenticate to our LDAP directory, so I fear that it is going to become too much of a drag on the machine it is on now. So, I setup a base server (I plan on using Ubuntu) and then load up and configure ldap. Replicate the directory over, update DNS to point to the new server, and I'm done. Nothing else has to change. You can do this with any service. Do you only have one DNS server, but want to easily support up to three for failover? Configure your clients to use NS0, NS1, and NS2, but make NS1 and NS2 aliases to NS0. In reality they all point to the same machine, but once you get your additional DNS servers up, just change the DNS config, and you're done. You can do this with just about anything. I have follett.slane.k12.or.us for our library system, irm.* for our inventory / trouble ticket system, ntp.* for time service, mysql.* for DB, and several others all pointing to a single machine which is also called maple.* . By doing it this way, migrating those services to other machines is dead simple. If I had used the "real" server name (maple.* in this case) rather than the service name, it would be more difficult to split out if I only wanted to move one service. > > > > It sounds like you have everything > > (ltsp, samba, ldap, dhcp, etc.) > > Well, right now all those, with the exception of ldap (since we're > still with linux auth), are on the same server. I didn't explain > well enough. Can one have just ldap and not a smb fileserver on a > dedicated machine? That's the mounting would come in back to the > ltsp, file,dhcp server. Why? FIle servers arent cheap and I wouldn't > be messing with the ltsp server other than telling it how to > authenicate, right?. You can have LDAP on a dedicated machine, no problem. If you just put LDAP on a dedicated machine, you only need to tell the LTSP server to authenticate to it. Everything else stays the same. > (it's working and that's how I like it :) ) I > could easily revert to linux auth if things went south right?. I > hope that's making more sense. As long as you keep you smb.conf sections that are for linux auth, it's easy. In my setup, I actually kept those portions in my config (commented out, of course) for quite some time. I wanted to make sure I had an easy fall back if LDAP didn't work out. I just built two blocks in the config, one for ldap and one for linux, then (un)comented as needed to switch back and forth. I noticed that someone suggested using the smbldap-installer script. That's probably a good start, though after I used it on some test equipment I ended up doing the setup by hand. My config is much larger and more complex than that script is designed to handle, but it was good for learning if nothing else. From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 28 18:48:11 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:48:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Boston - LTSP 4.2 release In-Reply-To: References: <20060327191252.M783@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <442984EB.30603@McQuil.com> David, I think that Ogra has managed to shave about 30 seconds off the boot time for a thin client, using Ubuntu's LTSP packages. It's still about twice as long as standard LTSP boot time though. Jim. David Trask wrote: > Two questions: > > Jim Kronebusch....will you be joining us again at LW in Boston? It was > great meeting you and Mike last year. Hope you can come. > > Jim MacQuillan: Any more word on how LTSP is working in Dapper? Is it > booting faster....etc? Or should we be planning to run "traditional" > installs of LTSP on top of Edubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu....etc. I'm trying > to decide on whether to stay with the FC based K12LTSP for the fall of > this year....or move over to an Ubuntu based deployment....especially now > that Samba/LDAP is working fine in Ubuntu. > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, March 27, 2006 at 2:15 PM +0000 wrote: > >> Can I ask what distro LTSP 4.2 will be showcased on? I can't wait, the >> new >> features look awesome. The new/expanded local device support will be >> huge. >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >> Department, and is believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > From robark at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 18:49:45 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:49:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Dog Food In-Reply-To: <44296879.3020700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44296879.3020700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 3/28/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I just upgraded our terminal server at work to the K12LTSP 5.0 beta. So > far, so good. Super! Looking forward to trying it out Eric. I hear the new Anaconda installer finally handles software RAID 1 correctly by installing grub to both drives. Can anyone confirm this? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 28 18:21:55 2006 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:21:55 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Xen in FC5...what does this mean for us? Message-ID: <200603282010.k2SKAlM22367@downeast.net> Hey Chris..hows it going! no complaints here..chuck > David Trask wrote: > > >Hey folks.... > > > >I see now that XEN virtualization is built in to Fedora Core 5.....I'm > >curious as to folks ideas and suggestions on how this can be leveraged to > >help us in K12LTSP......ideas? Thoughts? > > > > > XEN has low overhead, but I don't see how it could improve what LTSP > does for providing applications to end-users. > > The best use I can think of for XEN in an educational environment would > be on a server hosting guest linux machines for each student or team of > students to be root and learn linux sysadmin skills. Each XEN guest > machine would be a sandbox a student could break, that could be restored > by copying a base guest system image file, without impacting other > students. And it would not require dedicating a computer to each > student or team to provide them that isolation. > > Chris > > -- > "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net > Chris Johnson, RHCE #804005699817957 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From roy at mpk.com Tue Mar 28 18:38:00 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:38:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200603250450.k2P4ok1p018061@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200603281911.k2SJBWAV030415@mx1.redhat.com> I was finally able to find the solution for getting around the sata_nv issue. I ran "linux nodmraid" and it installed fine. But now it fails on the reboot. It freezes at "Starting udev:". So I installed FC5 (non K12) and of course ran the "linux nodmraid" and it installed fine and rebooted fine. What could be different in your K12 release? Is there any way you could tell me what packages you add that may cause this in my situation? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Roy Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:22 PM To: caldodge at fpcc.net; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP I appreciate the tip but it's an issue with a change that Fedora made in their kernel and sata_nv. I tried it just in case but no luck. Help! Maybe I will have to switch back to Edubuntu. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Calvin Dodge Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:44 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP Roy wrote: > Eric, > > Awesome! I'm trying it right now. Is this 64bit? > > One thing I am bummed out about is the way they broke the sata_nv. This is > preventing me from installing my raid with the FC5 code. I have been using > the soft array for my "/home" drive. It used to work on FC5t2. Do you know > any tricks on how I can select a different driver when I do "linux noprobe"? > Sorry to bother you with this but I am not getting any answers from my bug > posting. Have you tried adding "noapic"? That worked for me. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 28 19:16:36 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:16:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200603281911.k2SJBWAV030415@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200603281911.k2SJBWAV030415@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44298B94.2060301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Roy wrote: > I was finally able to find the solution for getting around the sata_nv > issue. I ran "linux nodmraid" and it installed fine. But now it fails on the > reboot. It freezes at "Starting udev:". So I installed FC5 (non K12) and of > course ran the "linux nodmraid" and it installed fine and rebooted fine. > What could be different in your K12 release? Is there any way you could tell > me what packages you add that may cause this in my situation? > > Thanks > On the stock FC5 install, can you run "yum upgrade" to install all of the latest patches and then reboot? The K12LTSP install includes all of the latest FC5 patches. -Eric From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 28 19:16:57 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:16:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Dog Food In-Reply-To: <44296A57.5020203@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44296879.3020700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44296A57.5020203@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44298BA9.80106@mesd.k12.or.us> Dan Young wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> Some of the user profiles (mine & Dan's) were broken and had to be nuked >> (the "Reset Desktop" session should do the trick). > > Tracked this down to ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/%gconf.xml > > Nuking that will reset your background and fonts, but keep taskbar > launchers, theme. Oops, not quite. Problem returned at next login. I had to remove ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome to resolve for subsequent logins. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 28 19:19:56 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:19:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Dog Food In-Reply-To: <44296879.3020700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44296879.3020700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44298C5C.1030805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > I just upgraded our terminal server at work to the K12LTSP 5.0 beta. So > far, so good. > > I had a little wackiness with my LDAP config where it won't connect to > servers by host name, only IP address. All of the other FC5 boxes we > have around work just fine, probably a simple misconfig that I'll chase > down later. I found the problem, it was puking on a nisplus entry in /etc/nsswitch.conf. Removing all of the references to nisplus in /etc/nsswitch.com resolved the mystery DNS lookup problem. -Eric From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Mar 28 18:52:38 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:52:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Authconfig in FC5 Message-ID: <200603281925.k2SJPFRk018431@mx3.redhat.com> All, Anyone know why authconfig changed in FC5? Just curious -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes, there are many Windows computers in the world, but there are also many Macintoshes, there are many places where WordPerfect is the word processor, there are many places where Novell Netware is the file server, there are many places where Lotus Notes is the email system, and so on. People who say it's an MS world are mostly revealing that they don't know much about the computing world and that they are essentially afraid of their computer in that they won't be able to make it work if things aren't exactly as they expect. As has been pointed out on this list many times, these fear-driven statements come from adults, not the kids; the kids quickly adapt to whatever is put in front of them. While they haven't abandoned MS Office (yet), I did get my school to write its standards to say that kids should learn 'word processing' instead of 'MS Word' and so on, by pointing out that ten years ago Word Perfect and Lotus 123 were the dominant apps in most businesses, and that, as David has pointed out, the kids should be learning the concepts, not the specific implementations which change with each new version. Petre cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello List, > > Thanks for eveyone sharing what they have had to overcome in just > trying to get the Opensource programs initiated into their schools. Im > very much in the same boat at the school i am at , in that the last > superintendent was very receptive to Linux,due to the $$ savings and > availabilty of help from message boards like this one,and it being a > "community effort". We have a new superintedent this year due to the > fact that our school and another school "up the road" merged,there for, the new school board,etc. > The first words from the new superintendent when trying to explain the > benefits of Opensource/Linux was "Well weather you like it or not Its > a Microsoft world out there". Need I say more?:(. Bottom line around > here is "well its, free but how long will OOo stay free",,or something similar. > this was another question about Linux/ K12LTSP viabilty. Im sure you > all have had the same frustration, in diffenrent ways when "preaching" > about Linux/ K12LTSP. > As said earlier kids will pickup very quickly on the "bells and whistles" > of each app, but certain teachers just have the same mundain routine, > sort of like,, "We should have Apples to do such and such". > But then again .I m just a lowly peon in the scheme of things:) Just > my 2 cents. > > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From austinsr at uindy.edu Tue Mar 28 19:31:31 2006 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn Austin) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:31:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Authconfig in FC5 In-Reply-To: <200603281925.k2SJPFRk018431@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603281925.k2SJPFRk018431@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44298F13.6060001@uindy.edu> Paul, I would guess so that it would be used as the backend for the Authentication program that is in the System -> Administration menu. Shawn Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > Anyone know why authconfig changed in FC5? Just curious > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Mar 28 19:43:51 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:43:51 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum In-Reply-To: <1143560566.27235.42.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> <1143560566.27235.42.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <10114.200.222.204.15.1143575031.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Mar 28 20:28:09 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:28:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560603280732w18575ffdjf9ddffb92cc359f5@mail.gmail.com> <,> Message-ID: Our internet is back up.....so now the site for smbldap-installer should work. http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 11:22 AM +0000 wrote: >First...go here and download smbldap-installer (makes the whole >process very easy). > >http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/ > >In the "getting started" section be sure to download the latest version >from the original server (majen.net/smbldap). > >What I do. I have multiple K12LTSP servers. These servers have no /home >and no users. All my users and /home live on the Samba/LDAP server. The >Samba/LDAP server is also the PDC serving roaming profiles for the Windows >side of things. Very efficient...easy to backup and works great. Make >sure you have gigabit all around between the servers. > > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 10:32 AM +0000 wrote: >>Forgive me if these are silly questions, but I'm trying to figure out >>the possible different ways that people implement smb/ldap with ltsp. >> Do people tend to have their smb/ldap machines also be file servers >>for /home? Will one machine suffice in that configuration or should >>one have a backup domain controller? Does anyone keep dedicated >>machines just for authentication and is that possible? With a single >>ltsp server, wouldn't that involve smb or nfs mounting /home back on >>the ltsp server and for linux terminal sessions would the server >>'know' that it was actually hosting /home and not bother to use the >>network for file access or would there be some network overhead in >>doing it that way. I'm feeling around in the dark here - shed some >>light? >> >> >> >> >> >>Thanks, >>Peter >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:29:41 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions] In-Reply-To: <1143570314.9710.20.camel@techstation.dequesoutpost.com> References: <1143570314.9710.20.camel@techstation.dequesoutpost.com> Message-ID: Also bear in mind as you research this, that Samba 4 will change everything once again. Samba 4 will have it's own LDAP packaged right along with it. In the end this should be an excellent thing, but will mean we have to rewrite all the how-to's again :-) qhartman at lane.k12.or.us on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 1:25 PM +0000 wrote: >-------- Forwarded Message -------- >From: Quentin Hartman >Reply-To: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us >To: Peter Hartmann >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:24:06 -0800 > >On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 12:49 -0500, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> Hey Quentin, >> Thanks for writing. >> >> > You certainly can, and this is probably the easiest way to set things >up. >> > I like to have multiple DNS names point at the same machine, one for >each >> > service. That way, I can seperate those services out on to other >machines >> > if I need to without reconfiguring everything. >> >> That's a great idea. Just out of curiousity, what would, or could, >> you farm out if you needed to? > >For instance, I am planning on putting LDAP on a dedicated machine this >summer. We are putting up more and more services that authenticate to >our LDAP directory, so I fear that it is going to become too much of a >drag on the machine it is on now. So, I setup a base server (I plan on >using Ubuntu) and then load up and configure ldap. Replicate the >directory over, update DNS to point to the new server, and I'm done. >Nothing else has to change. > >You can do this with any service. Do you only have one DNS server, but >want to easily support up to three for failover? Configure your clients >to use NS0, NS1, and NS2, but make NS1 and NS2 aliases to NS0. In >reality they all point to the same machine, but once you get your >additional DNS servers up, just change the DNS config, and you're done. > >You can do this with just about anything. I have follett.slane.k12.or.us >for our library system, irm.* for our inventory / trouble ticket system, >ntp.* for time service, mysql.* for DB, and several others all pointing >to a single machine which is also called maple.* . By doing it this way, >migrating those services to other machines is dead simple. If I had used >the "real" server name (maple.* in this case) rather than the service >name, it would be more difficult to split out if I only wanted to move >one service. > >> >> >> > It sounds like you have everything >> > (ltsp, samba, ldap, dhcp, etc.) >> >> Well, right now all those, with the exception of ldap (since we're >> still with linux auth), are on the same server. I didn't explain >> well enough. Can one have just ldap and not a smb fileserver on a >> dedicated machine? That's the mounting would come in back to the >> ltsp, file,dhcp server. Why? FIle servers arent cheap and I wouldn't >> be messing with the ltsp server other than telling it how to >> authenicate, right?. > > >You can have LDAP on a dedicated machine, no problem. If you just put >LDAP on a dedicated machine, you only need to tell the LTSP server to >authenticate to it. Everything else stays the same. > >> (it's working and that's how I like it :) ) I >> could easily revert to linux auth if things went south right?. I >> hope that's making more sense. > >As long as you keep you smb.conf sections that are for linux auth, it's >easy. In my setup, I actually kept those portions in my config >(commented out, of course) for quite some time. I wanted to make sure I >had an easy fall back if LDAP didn't work out. I just built two blocks >in the config, one for ldap and one for linux, then (un)comented as >needed to switch back and forth. > >I noticed that someone suggested using the smbldap-installer script. >That's probably a good start, though after I used it on some test >equipment I ended up doing the setup by hand. My config is much larger >and more complex than that script is designed to handle, but it was good >for learning if nothing else. > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 21:30:39 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:30:39 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions] In-Reply-To: References: <1143570314.9710.20.camel@techstation.dequesoutpost.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50603281330y681be906r4f3fc462577e0f02@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone gotten clients using ldap authentication on Linux to authenticate against active directory? I'd be interested to know if such a thing were possible. I've pretty much given up on winbind at this point. john On 3/28/06, David Trask wrote: > Also bear in mind as you research this, that Samba 4 will change > everything once again. Samba 4 will have it's own LDAP packaged right > along with it. In the end this should be an excellent thing, but will > mean we have to rewrite all the how-to's again :-) > > > qhartman at lane.k12.or.us on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 1:25 PM +0000 wrote: > >-------- Forwarded Message -------- > >From: Quentin Hartman > >Reply-To: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us > >To: Peter Hartmann > >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions > >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:24:06 -0800 > > > >On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 12:49 -0500, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >> Hey Quentin, > >> Thanks for writing. > >> > >> > You certainly can, and this is probably the easiest way to set things > >up. > >> > I like to have multiple DNS names point at the same machine, one for > >each > >> > service. That way, I can seperate those services out on to other > >machines > >> > if I need to without reconfiguring everything. > >> > >> That's a great idea. Just out of curiousity, what would, or could, > >> you farm out if you needed to? > > > >For instance, I am planning on putting LDAP on a dedicated machine this > >summer. We are putting up more and more services that authenticate to > >our LDAP directory, so I fear that it is going to become too much of a > >drag on the machine it is on now. So, I setup a base server (I plan on > >using Ubuntu) and then load up and configure ldap. Replicate the > >directory over, update DNS to point to the new server, and I'm done. > >Nothing else has to change. > > > >You can do this with any service. Do you only have one DNS server, but > >want to easily support up to three for failover? Configure your clients > >to use NS0, NS1, and NS2, but make NS1 and NS2 aliases to NS0. In > >reality they all point to the same machine, but once you get your > >additional DNS servers up, just change the DNS config, and you're done. > > > >You can do this with just about anything. I have follett.slane.k12.or.us > >for our library system, irm.* for our inventory / trouble ticket system, > >ntp.* for time service, mysql.* for DB, and several others all pointing > >to a single machine which is also called maple.* . By doing it this way, > >migrating those services to other machines is dead simple. If I had used > >the "real" server name (maple.* in this case) rather than the service > >name, it would be more difficult to split out if I only wanted to move > >one service. > > > >> > >> > >> > It sounds like you have everything > >> > (ltsp, samba, ldap, dhcp, etc.) > >> > >> Well, right now all those, with the exception of ldap (since we're > >> still with linux auth), are on the same server. I didn't explain > >> well enough. Can one have just ldap and not a smb fileserver on a > >> dedicated machine? That's the mounting would come in back to the > >> ltsp, file,dhcp server. Why? FIle servers arent cheap and I wouldn't > >> be messing with the ltsp server other than telling it how to > >> authenicate, right?. > > > > > >You can have LDAP on a dedicated machine, no problem. If you just put > >LDAP on a dedicated machine, you only need to tell the LTSP server to > >authenticate to it. Everything else stays the same. > > > >> (it's working and that's how I like it :) ) I > >> could easily revert to linux auth if things went south right?. I > >> hope that's making more sense. > > > >As long as you keep you smb.conf sections that are for linux auth, it's > >easy. In my setup, I actually kept those portions in my config > >(commented out, of course) for quite some time. I wanted to make sure I > >had an easy fall back if LDAP didn't work out. I just built two blocks > >in the config, one for ldap and one for linux, then (un)comented as > >needed to switch back and forth. > > > >I noticed that someone suggested using the smbldap-installer script. > >That's probably a good start, though after I used it on some test > >equipment I ended up doing the setup by hand. My config is much larger > >and more complex than that script is designed to handle, but it was good > >for learning if nothing else. > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 22:37:27 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:37:27 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions] In-Reply-To: References: <1143570314.9710.20.camel@techstation.dequesoutpost.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560603281437n60f1cadete053001f6ad3d0ad@mail.gmail.com> Hey David, Thank you and Matt for your work on the smbldap installer! Any idea what the ETA of Samba 4 is? Looking at the addingusers page I don't see anything about adding existing linux users. Did I miss it? If it's not possible with the smbldap script do you or does anyone else know if the installer script can be used in conjunction with migrate_passwd.pl tool found here?: http://www.padl.com/OSS/MigrationTools.html It's taken everyone SO long to remember their usernames and passwords!! I shudder at the thought of starting over. Thanks, Peter On 3/28/06, David Trask wrote: > Also bear in mind as you research this, that Samba 4 will change > everything once again. Samba 4 will have it's own LDAP packaged right > along with it. In the end this should be an excellent thing, but will > mean we have to rewrite all the how-to's again :-) > > > qhartman at lane.k12.or.us on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 1:25 PM +0000 wrote: > >-------- Forwarded Message -------- > >From: Quentin Hartman > >Reply-To: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us > >To: Peter Hartmann > >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions > >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:24:06 -0800 > > > >On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 12:49 -0500, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >> Hey Quentin, > >> Thanks for writing. > >> > >> > You certainly can, and this is probably the easiest way to set things > >up. > >> > I like to have multiple DNS names point at the same machine, one for > >each > >> > service. That way, I can seperate those services out on to other > >machines > >> > if I need to without reconfiguring everything. > >> > >> That's a great idea. Just out of curiousity, what would, or could, > >> you farm out if you needed to? > > > >For instance, I am planning on putting LDAP on a dedicated machine this > >summer. We are putting up more and more services that authenticate to > >our LDAP directory, so I fear that it is going to become too much of a > >drag on the machine it is on now. So, I setup a base server (I plan on > >using Ubuntu) and then load up and configure ldap. Replicate the > >directory over, update DNS to point to the new server, and I'm done. > >Nothing else has to change. > > > >You can do this with any service. Do you only have one DNS server, but > >want to easily support up to three for failover? Configure your clients > >to use NS0, NS1, and NS2, but make NS1 and NS2 aliases to NS0. In > >reality they all point to the same machine, but once you get your > >additional DNS servers up, just change the DNS config, and you're done. > > > >You can do this with just about anything. I have follett.slane.k12.or.us > >for our library system, irm.* for our inventory / trouble ticket system, > >ntp.* for time service, mysql.* for DB, and several others all pointing > >to a single machine which is also called maple.* . By doing it this way, > >migrating those services to other machines is dead simple. If I had used > >the "real" server name (maple.* in this case) rather than the service > >name, it would be more difficult to split out if I only wanted to move > >one service. > > > >> > >> > >> > It sounds like you have everything > >> > (ltsp, samba, ldap, dhcp, etc.) > >> > >> Well, right now all those, with the exception of ldap (since we're > >> still with linux auth), are on the same server. I didn't explain > >> well enough. Can one have just ldap and not a smb fileserver on a > >> dedicated machine? That's the mounting would come in back to the > >> ltsp, file,dhcp server. Why? FIle servers arent cheap and I wouldn't > >> be messing with the ltsp server other than telling it how to > >> authenicate, right?. > > > > > >You can have LDAP on a dedicated machine, no problem. If you just put > >LDAP on a dedicated machine, you only need to tell the LTSP server to > >authenticate to it. Everything else stays the same. > > > >> (it's working and that's how I like it :) ) I > >> could easily revert to linux auth if things went south right?. I > >> hope that's making more sense. > > > >As long as you keep you smb.conf sections that are for linux auth, it's > >easy. In my setup, I actually kept those portions in my config > >(commented out, of course) for quite some time. I wanted to make sure I > >had an easy fall back if LDAP didn't work out. I just built two blocks > >in the config, one for ldap and one for linux, then (un)comented as > >needed to switch back and forth. > > > >I noticed that someone suggested using the smbldap-installer script. > >That's probably a good start, though after I used it on some test > >equipment I ended up doing the setup by hand. My config is much larger > >and more complex than that script is designed to handle, but it was good > >for learning if nothing else. > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From yorick at xtra.co.nz Tue Mar 28 23:12:22 2006 From: yorick at xtra.co.nz (Graham) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:12:22 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum In-Reply-To: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4429C2D6.1070404@xtra.co.nz> Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > As I walked in to work today I was approached by the computer teacher > talking about curriculum and changing it. I asked what he was talking > about and he had said since we have all moved to OpenOffice in our > district there was talk of him needing to change his curriculum. He > isn't very happy about that so I am emailing to see if anyone on this > list would be willing to share lesson plans, curriculum or anything > educational to help our computer teacher's out in our district. I can > understand the frustration and am trying to help them as much as > possible. Do any of you teach OpenOffice in your computer > classes/district? Any and all information would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 Hi Paul, Tutorials and teacher resources are available at www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org Assessment and certification resources and some lesson plans at www.theingots.org Cheers -- Graham Lauder, INGOTs Moderator New Zealand INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org graham.lauder at theingots.org.nz Member: OpenDocument Fellowship www.opendocumentfellowship.org OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html From roy at mpk.com Tue Mar 28 23:46:11 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:46:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <44298B94.2060301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200603282341.k2SNfm6T021705@mx3.redhat.com> Eric, I reinstalled FC5 and did a yum upgrade as you requested and it came up fine. What else do you think it can be? Is there any way I can install k12 on top of FC5 myself? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:17 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP Roy wrote: > I was finally able to find the solution for getting around the sata_nv > issue. I ran "linux nodmraid" and it installed fine. But now it fails on the > reboot. It freezes at "Starting udev:". So I installed FC5 (non K12) and of > course ran the "linux nodmraid" and it installed fine and rebooted fine. > What could be different in your K12 release? Is there any way you could tell > me what packages you add that may cause this in my situation? > > Thanks > On the stock FC5 install, can you run "yum upgrade" to install all of the latest patches and then reboot? The K12LTSP install includes all of the latest FC5 patches. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 29 00:21:46 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:21:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200603282341.k2SNfm6T021705@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603282341.k2SNfm6T021705@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4429D31A.6040805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Roy wrote: > Eric, > > I reinstalled FC5 and did a yum upgrade as you requested and it came up > fine. What else do you think it can be? Off-hand, I can not think of any reason why you would have a problem with udev with one and not the other. I'll take a look at it later tonight. > Is there any way I can install k12 > on top of FC5 myself? It will be possible real-soon-now. I have a couple more clean-ups to finish before this will work correctly. -Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:17 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > > Roy wrote: >> I was finally able to find the solution for getting around the sata_nv >> issue. I ran "linux nodmraid" and it installed fine. But now it fails on > the >> reboot. It freezes at "Starting udev:". So I installed FC5 (non K12) and > of >> course ran the "linux nodmraid" and it installed fine and rebooted fine. >> What could be different in your K12 release? Is there any way you could > tell >> me what packages you add that may cause this in my situation? >> >> Thanks >> > > On the stock FC5 install, can you run "yum upgrade" to install all of > the latest patches and then reboot? > > The K12LTSP install includes all of the latest FC5 patches. > > > -Eric > From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 02:04:09 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:34:09 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] silly ldap questions In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560603280732w18575ffdjf9ddffb92cc359f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20603281804y2d48ec5bk4d3936f296d30112@mail.gmail.com> On 28/03/06, David Trask wrote: > What I do. I have multiple K12LTSP servers. These servers have no /home > and no users. All my users and /home live on the Samba/LDAP server. The > Samba/LDAP server is also the PDC serving roaming profiles for the Windows > side of things. Very efficient...easy to backup and works great. Make > sure you have gigabit all around between the servers. > Going slightly OT here... I have tried mounting a common /home through NFS and running two ltsp servers. I am facing issues of hang and terminal freeze. Is there any settings of time out etc for NFS? Right now two servers and /home server are on 100mbps connections. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From william at fragakis.com Wed Mar 29 03:09:10 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:09:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum In-Reply-To: <20060328191139.6D03C7322C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060328191139.6D03C7322C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <677ce5942663757a9e4d13c8ce0b7e47@fragakis.com> Yet another problem - when this arises, please note that the millions of students in India, China, Africa, Europe and elsewhere probably aren't using M'soft and it's these students that our students will be competing against, not Johnny down the street. Please don't take this as a slam on any of those countries/regions mentioned. It's not. Dell (as one example they'd be familiar with) hires in Texas, India, Ireland and elsewhere. If you want a job with Dell, you had better be as good as any kid from any of those places. Fifteen years ago, IBM owned the PC business. Now they don't even make a stick of hardware. Pity the poor child back then that had to learn only to use Lotus on an IBM PC running DOS because that's what everyone "uses". He'd be graduating now from college ready to... deliver pizza? I know I'm preaching to the choir but these are points that make open minded people stop a moment and think. The ones with closed minds you can't reach anyway.... regards, William On Mar 28, 2006, at 2:11 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:56:03 -0600 > From: Petre Scheie > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <44295C93.6030805 at maltzen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Just one problem with the "It's a MS world out there": It's not true. > Yes, there are > many Windows computers in the world, but there are also many > Macintoshes, there are many > places where WordPerfect is the word processor, there are many places > where Novell > Netware is the file server, there are many places where Lotus Notes is > the email system, > and so on. People who say it's an MS world are mostly revealing that > they don't know > much about the computing world and that they are essentially afraid of > their computer in > that they won't be able to make it work if things aren't exactly as > they expect. As has > been pointed out on this list many times, these fear-driven statements > come from adults, > not the kids; the kids quickly adapt to whatever is put in front of > them. > > While they haven't abandoned MS Office (yet), I did get my school to > write its standards > to say that kids should learn 'word processing' instead of 'MS Word' > and so on, by > pointing out that ten years ago Word Perfect and Lotus 123 were the > dominant apps in > most businesses, and that, as David has pointed out, the kids should > be learning the > concepts, not the specific implementations which change with each new > version. > > Petre > > cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: >> Hello List, >> >> Thanks for eveyone sharing what they have had to overcome in just >> trying >> to get the Opensource programs initiated into their schools. Im very >> much >> in the same boat at the school i am at , in that the last >> superintendent >> was very receptive to Linux,due to the $$ savings and availabilty of >> help >> from message boards like this one,and it being a "community effort". >> We >> have a new superintedent this year due to the fact that our school and >> another school "up the road" merged,there for, the new school >> board,etc. >> The first words from the new superintendent when trying to explain the >> benefits of Opensource/Linux was "Well weather you like it or not Its >> a >> Microsoft world out there". Need I say more?:(. Bottom line around >> here is >> "well its, free but how long will OOo stay free",,or something >> similar. >> this was another question about Linux/ K12LTSP viabilty. Im sure you >> all >> have had the same frustration, in diffenrent ways when "preaching" >> about >> Linux/ K12LTSP. >> As said earlier kids will pickup very quickly on the "bells and >> whistles" >> of each app, but certain teachers just have the same mundain routine, >> sort of like,, "We should have Apples to do such and such". >> But then again .I m just a lowly peon in the scheme of things:) >> Just my 2 cents. >> >> >> Barry Cisna >> >> ___ From roy at mpk.com Wed Mar 29 04:25:24 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:25:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <4429D31A.6040805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200603290456.k2T4uuEv030068@mx1.redhat.com> Awesome! Can't wait -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:22 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP Roy wrote: > Eric, > > I reinstalled FC5 and did a yum upgrade as you requested and it came up > fine. What else do you think it can be? Off-hand, I can not think of any reason why you would have a problem with udev with one and not the other. I'll take a look at it later tonight. > Is there any way I can install k12 > on top of FC5 myself? It will be possible real-soon-now. I have a couple more clean-ups to finish before this will work correctly. -Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:17 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > > Roy wrote: >> I was finally able to find the solution for getting around the sata_nv >> issue. I ran "linux nodmraid" and it installed fine. But now it fails on > the >> reboot. It freezes at "Starting udev:". So I installed FC5 (non K12) and > of >> course ran the "linux nodmraid" and it installed fine and rebooted fine. >> What could be different in your K12 release? Is there any way you could > tell >> me what packages you add that may cause this in my situation? >> >> Thanks >> > > On the stock FC5 install, can you run "yum upgrade" to install all of > the latest patches and then reboot? > > The K12LTSP install includes all of the latest FC5 patches. > > > -Eric > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From moquist at majen.net Wed Mar 29 05:04:59 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:04:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OpenOffice Curriculum In-Reply-To: <20060328191139.3DD79731F2@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060328191139.3DD79731F2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060329050459.GA26047@majen.net> Others have already posted some great URLs and helpful sentiments, so all I'm going to add is a link to an open letter I've written to give people a starting point when they contact their area schools. It's not really going to help you, Paul, but others may find it useful, and I'm sure some folks on this list could add some good arguments to it. It's on the Software Freedom Day wiki, but a TinyURL is prettier: http://tinyurl.com/eaa99 --matt > From: "Paul VanGundy" > All, > > As I walked in to work today I was approached by the computer teacher talking about curriculum and changing it. I asked what he was talking about and he had said since we have all moved to OpenOffice in our district there was talk of him needing to change his curriculum. He isn't very happy about that so I am emailing to see if anyone on this list would be willing to share lesson plans, curriculum or anything educational to help our computer teacher's out in our district. I can understand the frustration and am trying to help them as much as possible. Do any of you teach OpenOffice in your computer classes/district? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > -Paul -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 29 05:46:54 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:46:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <4429D31A.6040805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200603282341.k2SNfm6T021705@mx3.redhat.com> <4429D31A.6040805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > Roy wrote: >> Is there any way I can install k12 >> on top of FC5 myself? > > It will be possible real-soon-now. I have a couple more clean-ups to > finish before this will work correctly. Okay, this *might* work ;-) it might also eat your server, so don't try this on a production system... *testing* only for the moment. This is for the 32bit version only, 64bit version will be ready soon. 1) Install FC5 Take all of the default settings, except: eth0: IP=192.168.0.254 Mask=255.255.255.0 eth1: DHCP firewall rules: trust eth0 2) install the k12ltsp-release package. The final location of this file will change, for the current test-release, this will work: rpm -Uhv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0.i386.rpm 3) install the K12LTSP meta-packages: yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras 4) run the following command: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize 5) cross your fingers and reboot your server 6) test it out... -Eric From trond at maehlum.net Wed Mar 29 07:51:47 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:51:47 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] No keyboard when X starts. In-Reply-To: <9bd317560603280559v604ba056tb8fabd44c6319081@mail.gmail.com> References: <4427E5AF.3070107@cox-internet.com> <8C81FFD6FA7A974-246C-1598@mblkn-m05.sysops.aol.com> <442935BB.7000906@alltel.net> <4429392E.5040901@maehlum.net> <9bd317560603280559v604ba056tb8fabd44c6319081@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <442A3C93.6080102@maehlum.net> Peter Hartmann wrote: > Try this: > > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 5 > X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" > That made no difference. I can get the terminal going by adding a usb/ps2 connector to the mouse, but then I lose the wheel... This is very strange. Trond > On 3/28/06, Trond M?hlum wrote: > >>I have run into a strange problem. We have about 500 terminals running. >>They are custom made, VIA based mini-itx terminals. They work fine, >>sound and all. >> >>Now the manufacturer has upgraded the hardware somewhat, new mainboard >>and faster cpu. They seem to boot fine, but here's the thing: >> >>If I connect ps2 keyboard+usbmouse (like we usually do), the keyboard >>dies when X starts. >> >>If I connect ps2 keyboard and ps2 mouse, everything works fine. But they >>get delivered with usbmouse... I got 70 of these today and I would like >>to get them up and running. >> >>The old type works like before running off the same server. We run >>K12LTSP4.4.0 (or is it 4.4.1?) with 2.4.26-ltsp kernel. The interesting >>part of lts.conf is pasted below. Can anyone help me sort this out? >> >> >># Mice drivers for the terminals >> X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" >> X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" >> # Mouse protocols: ExplorerPS/2 GlidePoint GlidePointPS/2 >> # IMPS/2 IntelliMouse Microsoft MouseManPlusPS/2 >> # NetMousePS/2 NetScrollPS/2 PS/2 ThinkingMouse >> # ThinkingMousePS/2 usb >> X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" >> X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" >> X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 >> X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 >> X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 >> X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 >> USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS = "off" >> >> # Keyboards >> XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)" >> XkbModel = "pc101" >> XkbLayout = "no" >> >> >>Best Regards >>Trond Maehlum >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ernfran at gecpalau.com Wed Mar 29 08:11:45 2006 From: ernfran at gecpalau.com (Ernie L. Fran) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:11:45 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] No keyboard when X starts. References: <4427E5AF.3070107@cox-internet.com> <8C81FFD6FA7A974-246C-1598@mblkn-m05.sysops.aol.com> <442935BB.7000906@alltel.net><4429392E.5040901@maehlum.net><9bd317560603280559v604ba056tb8fabd44c6319081@mail.gmail.com> <442A3C93.6080102@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <000d01c65308$6d4e4e50$0c0010ac@WSERNIE> Try adding the module for the usb mouse in lts.conf. Are you using a differrent kernel, like the 2.6? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trond M?hlum" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] No keyboard when X starts. > Peter Hartmann wrote: >> Try this: >> >> X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" >> X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" >> X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 >> X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 5 >> X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" >> > > That made no difference. I can get the terminal going by adding a usb/ps2 > connector to the mouse, but then I lose the wheel... > > This is very strange. > > Trond > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From per at qvtech.cc Wed Mar 29 10:25:31 2006 From: per at qvtech.cc (Per Qvindesland) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:25:31 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] RPC perhaps slightly off OT Message-ID: <442A609B.3050002@qvtech.cc> Hello All, Sorry this one might be slightly ot but I am not sure where to turn to, I have a ldc controlling my network and a windoze 2003 server, I joined the 2003 machine to the ldc domain without any problems I also edited the registry on the 2003 machine and changed things like requiresignorseal and requirestrongkey now most people can log into the domain on the 2003 machine but for some odd reason not all, the error message is: A remote procedure call (RPC) protocol error occurred, I would have thought that since I already had changed the keys in the registry that this would not be any issue anymore but apparently there is still some issues with it . Could anyone help me out here or point me in the right direction? 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Make >> sure you have gigabit all around between the servers. >> > > Going slightly OT here... > I have tried mounting a common /home through NFS and running two ltsp > servers. I am facing issues of hang and terminal freeze. Is there any > settings of time out etc for NFS? Right now two servers and /home > server are on 100mbps connections. > > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I've created a webpage about setting up a slave LDAP servers to reduce load on our main server. Have a look at http://www.chivers.info/Samba3-OpenLDAP-slave-server-config.html Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From ddwelley at msad54.org Wed Mar 29 12:18:41 2006 From: ddwelley at msad54.org (Dan Dwelley) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:18:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Madwifi wireless driver Message-ID: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D79402731809@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Ditto here if you could! -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Doug Simpson Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:10 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Madwifi wireless driver Please send to me, as well. . . Thanks Doug bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi Dan, > > Yes please! I've had nothing but problems trying to get the D-link to > work. Please send it to my company address nbedoucha at xtlabs.org > > thank you > norbert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Loomis > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Sent: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:16:31 -0600 > Subject: [K12OSN] Madwifi wireless driver > > Norbert, > > Madwifi rpms are notoriously out of date. It is best to download the > latest sources from cvs, compile and install. I have a script that > automates the task if you are interested. I can send it to you offlist. > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ___________________________________________________ > Try the New Netscape Mail Today! > Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List > http://mail.netscape.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Mar 29 12:43:20 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 06:43:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] sometimes a gray screen with x to rdp Message-ID: <1143636200.20763.11.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello List, Could someone possibly shed some light on how to troubleshoot this scenario. Sometimes, and it does not happen very often, on one of our K12LTSP servers, when trying to do the CTL+ALT+F2 at the K12LTSP login to direct to the Windows terminal server the clients that are connected to this server get the gray screen with X after getting the "Press enter to login"( to the windows terminal server). It never does this to the actual K12LTSP server login. It only happens on this particular server. A simple reboot of this K12LTSP server fixes the problem, but i was just trying to pin down what service has actually died, that requires a reboot to bring it back from the dead. I m guessing its something to do the gdm,or X (version) maybe? I was wanting to maybe just restart some service without having to restart the server while other people are logged into K12LTSP. I have went through the nicely detailed "gray screen with X" troubleshooter on the LTSP wiki, by Jim M but everything pans out fine with all the diagnostics that i gathered from that how to. Any thoughts, ideas? Barry Cisna From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Mar 29 12:53:46 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:53:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sometimes a gray screen with x to rdp In-Reply-To: <1143636200.20763.11.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <200603291258.k2TCwIAW025515@mx1.redhat.com> Barry, Perhaps XDMCP? -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Barry Cisna Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:43 AM To: K12OSN Subject: [K12OSN] sometimes a gray screen with x to rdp Hello List, Could someone possibly shed some light on how to troubleshoot this scenario. Sometimes, and it does not happen very often, on one of our K12LTSP servers, when trying to do the CTL+ALT+F2 at the K12LTSP login to direct to the Windows terminal server the clients that are connected to this server get the gray screen with X after getting the "Press enter to login"( to the windows terminal server). It never does this to the actual K12LTSP server login. It only happens on this particular server. A simple reboot of this K12LTSP server fixes the problem, but i was just trying to pin down what service has actually died, that requires a reboot to bring it back from the dead. I m guessing its something to do the gdm,or X (version) maybe? I was wanting to maybe just restart some service without having to restart the server while other people are logged into K12LTSP. I have went through the nicely detailed "gray screen with X" troubleshooter on the LTSP wiki, by Jim M but everything pans out fine with all the diagnostics that i gathered from that how to. Any thoughts, ideas? Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Mar 29 14:17:56 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:17:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <200603282341.k2SNfm6T021705@mx3.redhat.com> <4429D31A.6040805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <442A9714.2020006@saskforestcentre.ca> Is there a GPG key to install too? There is on the wiki version of this set of instructions... http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/AMD64%20Installation Angus. Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Roy wrote: > > >>> Is there any way I can install k12 >>> on top of FC5 myself? >> >> >> It will be possible real-soon-now. I have a couple more clean-ups to >> finish before this will work correctly. > > > Okay, this *might* work ;-) it might also eat your server, so don't > try this on a production system... *testing* only for the moment. > > This is for the 32bit version only, 64bit version will be ready soon. > > 1) Install FC5 > > Take all of the default settings, except: > > eth0: IP=192.168.0.254 Mask=255.255.255.0 > eth1: DHCP > > firewall rules: trust eth0 > > 2) install the k12ltsp-release package. The final location of this file > will change, for the current test-release, this will work: > > rpm -Uhv > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0.i386.rpm > > > > 3) install the K12LTSP meta-packages: > > yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras > > 4) run the following command: > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize > > 5) cross your fingers and reboot your server > > 6) test it out... > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Mar 29 15:16:19 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:16:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] winbind authconfig files In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603281330y681be906r4f3fc462577e0f02@mail.gmail.com> References: <1143570314.9710.20.camel@techstation.dequesoutpost.com> <2be970b50603281330y681be906r4f3fc462577e0f02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <28248.169.244.70.148.1143645379.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> we used winbind for authentication of ltsp users for several years..my configs are on wiki.ltsp.org if it is any help to you..chuck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 29 15:21:37 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:21:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <442A9714.2020006@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <200603282341.k2SNfm6T021705@mx3.redhat.com> <4429D31A.6040805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <442A9714.2020006@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <442AA601.2060408@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Angus Carr wrote: > > Is there a GPG key to install too? > There is on the wiki version of this set of instructions... > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/AMD64%20Installation > > Angus. You can manually install the keys as per the link above, but with the newer versions of yum it will fetch the right keys for you. -Eric > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> Roy wrote: >> >> >>>> Is there any way I can install k12 >>>> on top of FC5 myself? >>> >>> >>> It will be possible real-soon-now. I have a couple more clean-ups to >>> finish before this will work correctly. >> >> >> Okay, this *might* work ;-) it might also eat your server, so don't >> try this on a production system... *testing* only for the moment. >> >> This is for the 32bit version only, 64bit version will be ready soon. >> >> 1) Install FC5 >> >> Take all of the default settings, except: >> >> eth0: IP=192.168.0.254 Mask=255.255.255.0 >> eth1: DHCP >> >> firewall rules: trust eth0 >> >> 2) install the k12ltsp-release package. The final location of this file >> will change, for the current test-release, this will work: >> >> rpm -Uhv >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0.i386.rpm >> >> >> >> 3) install the K12LTSP meta-packages: >> >> yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras >> >> 4) run the following command: >> >> /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize >> >> 5) cross your fingers and reboot your server >> >> 6) test it out... >> >> >> -Eric >> > From roy at mpk.com Wed Mar 29 15:11:09 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:11:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603291539.k2TFdEaT019724@mx1.redhat.com> Eric, I have 64 bit so I look forward to your 64 bit version. Would it help you at all if I tested the 32bit? Roy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:47 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > Roy wrote: >> Is there any way I can install k12 >> on top of FC5 myself? > > It will be possible real-soon-now. I have a couple more clean-ups to > finish before this will work correctly. Okay, this *might* work ;-) it might also eat your server, so don't try this on a production system... *testing* only for the moment. This is for the 32bit version only, 64bit version will be ready soon. 1) Install FC5 Take all of the default settings, except: eth0: IP=192.168.0.254 Mask=255.255.255.0 eth1: DHCP firewall rules: trust eth0 2) install the k12ltsp-release package. The final location of this file will change, for the current test-release, this will work: rpm -Uhv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RP MS/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0.i386.rpm 3) install the K12LTSP meta-packages: yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras 4) run the following command: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize 5) cross your fingers and reboot your server 6) test it out... -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ericbrow at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 15:40:49 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:40:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: samba and dhcp write-up Message-ID: Hello all, I'm probably going to expose my ignorance here, but I'm hoping for some feedback as well as possibly sharing some knowledge I've gained. I have just completed my MS in IT. For my thesis, I did a write-up of a project where I had a Linux file server act as a windows domain controller for a lab of XP machines, with roaming profiles and all. This was a pretty big project for me as my personal linux gurus had heard of such a thing being done, but they have never gone about it themselves. I also had no personal expirence with configuring Samba or DHCP. If you'd like to take a look, the PDF can be found at http://www.keokukhigh.net/thesis.pdf (about .5 MB) The more informative stuff is probably in the last half of the paper. I welcome any questions, comments, and constructive insults. Off list would probably be best. Thanks, Eric Brown From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 16:16:18 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:16:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sometimes a gray screen with x to rdp In-Reply-To: <200603291258.k2TCwIAW025515@mx1.redhat.com> References: <1143636200.20763.11.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> <200603291258.k2TCwIAW025515@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0603290816i3ed4cb6bg1730f5dcd5ecc961@mail.gmail.com> I had the same problem. For me it turned out to be DNS. Specify the Windows Terminial Server by IP instead of name and see what happens. Jack On 3/29/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > Barry, > > Perhaps XDMCP? > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of Barry Cisna > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:43 AM > To: K12OSN > Subject: [K12OSN] sometimes a gray screen with x to rdp > > Hello List, > > Could someone possibly shed some light on how to troubleshoot this > scenario. > Sometimes, and it does not happen very often, on one of our K12LTSP > servers, > when trying to do the CTL+ALT+F2 at the K12LTSP login to direct to the > Windows terminal server the clients that are connected to this server get > the gray screen with X after getting the "Press enter to login"( to the > windows terminal server). It never does this to the actual K12LTSP server > login. It only happens on this particular server. > A simple reboot of this K12LTSP server fixes the problem, but i was just > trying to pin down what service has actually died, that requires a reboot > to > bring it back from the dead. I m guessing its something to do the gdm,or X > (version) maybe? I was wanting to maybe just restart some service without > having to restart the server while other people are logged into K12LTSP. > I have went through the nicely detailed "gray screen with X" > troubleshooter on the LTSP wiki, by Jim M but everything pans out fine > with > all the diagnostics that i gathered from that how to. > Any thoughts, ideas? > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 29 16:52:51 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:52:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200603291539.k2TFdEaT019724@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200603291539.k2TFdEaT019724@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <442ABB63.4090006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Roy wrote: > Eric, > > I have 64 bit so I look forward to your 64 bit version. Would it help you at > all if I tested the 32bit? > > Roy No, wait a bit. I managed to mess up the install on my laptop (Athlon64), so finishing the 64bit installer just bumped to the top of my priority list ;-) Assuming no serious gotchas, the 64bit build should be caught up with the 32bit build within the next couple of hours... -Eric From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Mar 29 19:17:44 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:17:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <442ABB63.4090006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200603291539.k2TFdEaT019724@mx1.redhat.com> <442ABB63.4090006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <442ADD58.9080304@saskforestcentre.ca> Eric Harrison wrote: >Roy wrote: > > >>Eric, >> >>I have 64 bit so I look forward to your 64 bit version. Would it help you at >>all if I tested the 32bit? >> >>Roy >> >> > >No, wait a bit. I managed to mess up the install on my laptop >(Athlon64), so finishing the 64bit installer just bumped to the top of >my priority list ;-) > >Assuming no serious gotchas, the 64bit build should be caught up with >the 32bit build within the next couple of hours... > > >-Eric > > Woohoo! Now I can deal with my system (64bit fc4 + k12ltsp) which won't do yum update properly. I'm psyched. I appreciate you sharing your good work, Eric. Thanks. Angus. From robark at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 20:06:25 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:06:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] No keyboard when X starts. In-Reply-To: <442A3C93.6080102@maehlum.net> References: <4427E5AF.3070107@cox-internet.com> <8C81FFD6FA7A974-246C-1598@mblkn-m05.sysops.aol.com> <442935BB.7000906@alltel.net> <4429392E.5040901@maehlum.net> <9bd317560603280559v604ba056tb8fabd44c6319081@mail.gmail.com> <442A3C93.6080102@maehlum.net> Message-ID: On 3/28/06, Trond M?hlum wrote: > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Try this: > > > > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" > > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 5 > > X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" > > > > That made no difference. I can get the terminal going by adding a > usb/ps2 connector to the mouse, but then I lose the wheel... > > This is very strange. Trond, I usually use the usb/ps2 connector with usb mice and they work just like a regular ps2. You should not lose the wheel. My settings are pretty much the same as Peter's: # Mice drivers for the terminals X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 5 USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS = "off" X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 5 X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From milanofabio at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 20:19:58 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:19:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script or Samba PDC setup Message-ID: <35c1344c0603291219h6326d338ta575ddb4a05dee2a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, What is the difference between using Samba/LDAP script by David Trask, or installing Samba and configuring it as a PDC. http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/smbldap/ Thanks From lists.john at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 20:57:34 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:57:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] setting .doc globally for OO In-Reply-To: <2be970b50603271509o56fa1c52s598305cdcd833db5@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50603271245m48775dcere1a37d1993a93fb8@mail.gmail.com> <4428523C.7090801@paasda.org> <2be970b50603271311i795ba36evc3a44f4a66af9564@mail.gmail.com> <442856FA.4030100@paasda.org> <2be970b50603271509o56fa1c52s598305cdcd833db5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50603291257o6b44fa89wa0373d9094e607e7@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Here's a follow up to the "set default OO settings for domain users" issue, in case someone else finds this useful. The only OO file we needed to change was Setup.xcu. 1) We opened notepad put in the following text and saved it as Setup.xcu cs true 2005-10-17T12:36:36 true 48,67,760,492;4;0,0,0,0; MS Word 97 48,67,760,509;4;0,0,0,0; MS Excel 97 MS PowerPoint 97 We got help from http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=9372 2) We made a hidden share on the server with the following path: \\my_server_name\hide$\OpenOffice.org2\user\registry\data\org\openoffice 3) Then we wrote a login script called OO.bat with this slightly modified script: xcopy /E /Y "\\my_server_name\hide$\OpenOffice.org2\* " "%userprofile%\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2\" (The first version of my script wasn't quite right.) 4) We threw the script into c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Start Up\ When the new user log's on for the first time, they get the right "Save As" settings under OO and don't have to mess with the Setup screens. HTH, John On 3/27/06, john wrote: > Yeah, > > That's what I am thinking as well. As i read the OO forums I see that > other folks have been wanting a global parameter accessable from the > option menu for a while. I guess the OO devs/Sun aren't interested in > doing this. I guess it's complex enough that normal hackers aren't > able to add a widget to this? Dunno. \ > > Anyway here's what I ended up doing. I wrote a little .bat file and > stuck it on a hidden share on the network: > > xcopy /E /Y "\\my_server\hide$\OpenOffice.org2\*.*" > "%userprofile%\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2" > > That seemed to do the trick. > > Thanks Huck. > > John > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > > Perhaps you can do it for ONE user... > > then copy the folder "user" in C:\Documents and > > Settings\dhuckaby\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2\ > > to all of the other users, in a login script maybe? > > > > --Huck > > > > john wrote: > > > Hi Huck, > > > > > > Thanks, however, I need this to work for ALL users, regardless of > > > whether they have ever logged on to a particular machine running XP, > > > and it needs to happen automatically e.g. just like it does under > > > k12ltsp. > > > > > > I appreciate the response! > > > > > > John > > > > > > On 3/27/06, Huck wrote: > > >> On your window's installation: > > >> > > >> tools->options->load/save-> > > >> > > >> there are 4 sections: > > >> General > > >> VBA Properties > > >> Microsoft Office > > >> HTML Compatibility > > >> > > >> The GENERAL and Microsoft OFFICE sections are the two you will want to > > >> edit. The options are self-explanatory on each of the pages. > > >> > > >> --Huck > > >> > > >> john wrote: > > >>> Hi all, > > >>> > > >>> This isn't really a question about k12LTSP, rather a request for > > >>> information about how to set a global preference for .doc .xls .ppt > > >>> for all users of Open Office on Windows XP? That is. i want ANY domain > > >>> user to be able to log on to any computer with OO 2.x and have their > > >>> save preferences automagically set to MS formats. Can this actually be > > >>> done? > > >>> > > >>> Thanks in advance! > > >>> > > >>> John > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> K12OSN mailing list > > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>> For more info see > > >>> > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Mar 29 23:41:10 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:41:10 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] nautilus smbldap - user access in commandline but not nautilus Message-ID: <442B1B16.6040001@orcon.net.nz> I created a user initially with primary group of staff. Then I changed it to admin. The user was able to access files with permission for the admin group only on the command line. In nautilus the the user was denied access. After a while I tried running konqueror from the command line. I got access. I tried running nautilus from the command line. I got access. I tried running nautilus from the desktop again. This time it worked. Any idea why it took time for the desktop to catchup with the change of ownership of the user? nscd was off all the time. From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Thu Mar 30 00:29:28 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:29:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] nautilus smbldap - user access in commandline but not nautilus In-Reply-To: <442B1B16.6040001@orcon.net.nz> References: <442B1B16.6040001@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <1143678569.3269.12.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 11:41 +1200, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I created a user initially with primary group of staff. > Then I changed it to admin. > The user was able to access files with permission for the admin group > only on the command line. > In nautilus the the user was denied access. > After a while I tried running konqueror from the command line. I got access. > I tried running nautilus from the command line. I got access. > I tried running nautilus from the desktop again. This time it worked. > > Any idea why it took time for the desktop to catchup with the change of > ownership of the user? > nscd was off all the time. I think groups are assigned at the start of a login session. So, for instance, if you open up a command line as a user and change the user's group to the new group, that command line instance will also fail to belong to the new group. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From piritarodo at hotmail.com Wed Mar 29 23:56:50 2006 From: piritarodo at hotmail.com (Alejandro Mel) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:56:50 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] video and mp3 Message-ID: Hello Everybody I want to know what server I have to buy if I want my terminals clients (pentium 233MMX 64MB RAM 2MB VIDEO) to playback divx movies from the server... and mp3 too I tested this with a non-server pc (Duron 1.8 GHz) with 2 clients playing a movie and waas just fine.... What do que think about it???? I used Xine and want to find one for mp3.. any idea?? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Amor: busca tu ? naranja http://latam.msn.com/amor/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 30 06:51:29 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:51:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <442ABB63.4090006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200603291539.k2TFdEaT019724@mx1.redhat.com> <442ABB63.4090006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > Assuming no serious gotchas, the 64bit build should be caught up with > the 32bit build within the next couple of hours... So it took more than a couple hours... I have a build that *looks* right, but I don't have any way of testing it at the momemt. If someone wants to be bold and see what type of damage it does... Follow these instructions: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/AMD64%20Installation but grab the k12ltsp-release package from here instead: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/x86_64/Fedora/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0.x86_64.rpm Also, if you want flash & java to work in firefox, remove the 64bit version and install the 32bit version: (only works after installing the k12ltsp-release package) rpm -e firefox.x86_64 yum install firefox.i386 I'll post links to the full ISOs sometime tomorrow after I've had the chance to check to see if they work or not. -Eric From roy at mpk.com Thu Mar 30 08:35:29 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 02:35:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603300901.k2U91pVA015811@mx3.redhat.com> Eric, During the install it claimed I didn't have python-reportlab and stopped. I added that and ran the install and then everything went fine. I rebooted the server and booted a client and it gets its ip address (192.168.0.253) but I am getting the classic error: Trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/??? Any ideas? I'm sure it's something obvious. I've had this error before way back when with on an older version but don't remember the final resolution. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:51 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > Assuming no serious gotchas, the 64bit build should be caught up with > the 32bit build within the next couple of hours... So it took more than a couple hours... I have a build that *looks* right, but I don't have any way of testing it at the momemt. If someone wants to be bold and see what type of damage it does... Follow these instructions: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/AMD64%20Installation but grab the k12ltsp-release package from here instead: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/x86_64/Fedora/ RPMS/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0.x86_64.rpm Also, if you want flash & java to work in firefox, remove the 64bit version and install the 32bit version: (only works after installing the k12ltsp-release package) rpm -e firefox.x86_64 yum install firefox.i386 I'll post links to the full ISOs sometime tomorrow after I've had the chance to check to see if they work or not. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From roy at mpk.com Thu Mar 30 08:35:29 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 02:35:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603300901.k2U91pVB015811@mx3.redhat.com> I looked at the older posts and ran "rpm -V ltsp_i386-kernel" and get the following: "package ltsp_i386-kernel is not installed" I will keep digging -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:51 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > Assuming no serious gotchas, the 64bit build should be caught up with > the 32bit build within the next couple of hours... So it took more than a couple hours... I have a build that *looks* right, but I don't have any way of testing it at the momemt. If someone wants to be bold and see what type of damage it does... Follow these instructions: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/AMD64%20Installation but grab the k12ltsp-release package from here instead: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/x86_64/Fedora/ RPMS/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0.x86_64.rpm Also, if you want flash & java to work in firefox, remove the 64bit version and install the 32bit version: (only works after installing the k12ltsp-release package) rpm -e firefox.x86_64 yum install firefox.i386 I'll post links to the full ISOs sometime tomorrow after I've had the chance to check to see if they work or not. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Thu Mar 30 10:46:13 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:46:13 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Old server hardware In-Reply-To: <4429D31A.6040805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200603282341.k2SNfm6T021705@mx3.redhat.com> <4429D31A.6040805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060330134613.jr3j4j2dduhc88o0@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> I could get an old server HP NET SERVER LXR 8000 / 4x450 mhz XEON / 2.5 GB RAM / 2x 18GB HDD Could it be used for a LTSP-server for a few terminals? If so, how many terminals and what limitations? Larger disks etc ... Yours, Mikko Jordman, Finland From andyr at wizzy.com Thu Mar 30 11:12:29 2006 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:12:29 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Using dnsmasq instead of dhcpd / named In-Reply-To: References: <20060213092104.GA20213@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <20060330111229.GI7564@wizzy.com> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Jason Maas wrote: > Hi Andy, > > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > > Main benefits are that dnsmasq will proxy requests to my ISP > > nameserver, instead of starting dns lookups from . (root). > > Dnsmasq is indeed a very nice little program, but just in case anyone was > wondering BIND can also be configured to behave that way. Look in your > favorite BIND documentation for info about the 'forwarders' option which > [usually, depending on your distro] goes in the named.conf file. [ resurrecting an old thread, and crossposting ] However, dnsmasq can use the ISP-supplied nameserver - it seems the 'forwarders' option needs a fixed assignment ? Since I am putting together a CD for others to use, not just myself, I cannot use a static allocation without some ugly sed/named restart stuff. In case anyone else has some good ideas, and risking some off-topicness, this is my problem :- * I have a server in a Thin Client lab, that handles ltsp boot (handing off to other application server(s)), courier webmail, wwwoffle web cache, and a dialup connection to rest-of-world. Dialup!! Yes, this is Africa. * Dialup is done overnight, as allowing a school lab to surf during school hours would be a monumental waste of time. * Upon dialup, my server fetches the school email (BSMTP over UUCP) and scoops some websites, as selected by the school administrator. All this happens unattended. My main problem is that a raft of things are kicked off after dialup (UUCP, ntpdate, dyndns update, web scoop) and 'named' is a truck standing in the middle of the highway getting off to a slow start. I need local name services within the school (reverse lookup for clients, access to application servers) so I need a nameserver while offline, and I have been using bind. Often what happens is that named is too slow, lookups time out, and my dialup is for naught. How can I speed up lookups right after dialup ? Cheers, Andy! http://wizzy.org.za/ http://www.wizzydigital.org/ From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Mar 30 12:26:56 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 06:26:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] video and mp3 Message-ID: <1143721616.6906.10.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hi Alejandro, There is such a broad spectrum, of variables, when trying to decide on what is "big enough" when choosing sever specs. With the prices going way down on 64 bit processors id choose an AMD 64 bit of some sort . You can look at it like you are running two processors, for the price of one, other than you don't have the failover capacity of two cpu's. Nowadays you ought to start out with 4 gigs of ram,along with sata drives as i think scsi is almost buying new old technology,even though they do a good job. the trouble you will run into more than anything is having your network becoming saturated if doing video to several terminals. Think about putting some money into 1 gig switches for your backbone,along with new server sizing. Ive had about 20 clients doing flash, which seems to eat bandwidth more than streaming video,and was using 56-60 megs on them alone, to give you a simple example. You need to setup your video/mp3 server,streaming to low bitrates to start out with anyway, and then step up,if x number of clients run ok, with your first bitrate settings. Hope this helps a little, Barry Cisna From ericbrow at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 12:33:59 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 06:33:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Old server hardware In-Reply-To: <20060330134613.jr3j4j2dduhc88o0@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> References: <200603282341.k2SNfm6T021705@mx3.redhat.com> <4429D31A.6040805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060330134613.jr3j4j2dduhc88o0@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: Mikko, My server is a 4x550Mhz, 3gb ram. I run 20 clients off of mine on a daily basis. For a presentation, I ran six workstations from a server with 2x350Mhz, 1gb ram. I think you'll be fine for a handfull of stations. Personally, I'd push it just to see how far it would go. I think it might surprise you. Eric Brown On 3/30/06, Mikko Jordman wrote: > I could get an old server > HP NET SERVER LXR 8000 / 4x450 mhz XEON / 2.5 GB RAM / 2x 18GB HDD > > Could it be used for a LTSP-server for a few terminals? If so, how many > terminals and what limitations? Larger disks etc ... > > Yours, Mikko Jordman, Finland > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Thu Mar 30 12:52:33 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:52:33 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Old server hardware In-Reply-To: References: <200603282341.k2SNfm6T021705@mx3.redhat.com> <4429D31A.6040805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060330134613.jr3j4j2dduhc88o0@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: <2791.80.186.167.90.1143723153.squirrel@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Thanks for your quick answer! mikkoj > Mikko, > > My server is a 4x550Mhz, 3gb ram. I run 20 clients off of mine on a > daily basis. For a presentation, I ran six workstations from a server > with 2x350Mhz, 1gb ram. I think you'll be fine for a handfull of > stations. Personally, I'd push it just to see how far it would go. I > think it might surprise you. > > Eric Brown > > On 3/30/06, Mikko Jordman wrote: >> I could get an old server >> HP NET SERVER LXR 8000 / 4x450 mhz XEON / 2.5 GB RAM / 2x 18GB HDD >> >> Could it be used for a LTSP-server for a few terminals? If so, how many >> terminals and what limitations? Larger disks etc ... >> >> Yours, Mikko Jordman, Finland >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From trond at maehlum.net Thu Mar 30 13:11:41 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:11:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP5 test In-Reply-To: References: <200603291539.k2TFdEaT019724@mx1.redhat.com> <442ABB63.4090006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <442BD90D.1020109@maehlum.net> I installed the testversion of K12LTSP5 today. I like what I see, our problems with K12LSTP4.4.x seem to have bee fixed. The most annoying thing here was the wait from icewm's starmenu loaded until nautilus showed the desktop. Now it's really fast. Our strange usbmouse+ps2 keyboard which I told the list about a couple of days ago, has also been fixed in K12LTSP5. I cannot get mplayerplug-in to play anything in Firefox, but that's something I expect to sort out. Now, Eric, you mentioned that this build did not include all the hot new features of LTSP4.2. One of the tings I look forward to is ltspfs and usb-sticks showing up on the desktop automatically, instead of using the samba-approach which we use today. Is this one of the features that is not yet implemented? If it is, or when it does, will it be as simple as adding 'HOTPLUG = Y' to lts.conf? Also, will this testversion be yum upgrade'able to K12LTSP5 or will a new fresh install of the final version be necessary? Kind Regards Trond Maehlum From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Mar 30 13:24:27 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:24:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script or Samba PDC setup In-Reply-To: <35c1344c0603291219h6326d338ta575ddb4a05dee2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <35c1344c0603291219h6326d338ta575ddb4a05dee2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 at 3:19 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi, > >What is the difference between using Samba/LDAP script by David Trask, >or installing Samba and configuring it as a PDC. > >http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/smbldap/ > >Thanks > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see A lot. Mostly the ability to set up a seperate server as the Samba/LDAP server and point both K12LTSP/Linux servers and Windows machines/servers to it.....you essentially would have "2 doors going into the same room". Everything can be pointed to a common home directory regardless of Linux or windows.....(this is a great feature...especially in school with mixed platforms). Wanna' set up a new K12LTSP server? Simply set it up (no users necessary) and use authconfig to point it to the Samba/LDAP server to authenticate. Wanna' add a Windows Terminal server? No problem....simply set it up and join it to the domain (the Samba/LDAP box is the PDC). One username and one password...regardless of Linux or Windows. Samba to authenticate to the Windows side.....LDAP to authenticate the Linux/Mac OS X side. smbldap-installer also comes with a slew of handy scripts to add users in bulk, create unique usernames....etc. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ahodson at elp.rr.com Thu Mar 30 13:32:03 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 06:32:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome *AND* IcWM in K12LTSP 4.4.2 Message-ID: Hi list Somehow I have managed to slow down a server's performance by having both Gnome and IceWM running at the same time, and forcing the students to log off twice, etc. I need some direction in how to completely eliminate IceWM from coming up and getting in the way of every user... At one point I remember going to /etc/X11/dgm/gdm.conf and changing the default, but I've since restored the original value... Help! Cheers Alan A Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org aahodson at episd dot org -=o=- From gumprechtm at msad3.org Thu Mar 30 14:04:40 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:04:40 -0500 Subject: Thanks Re: [K12OSN] scripting trash removal In-Reply-To: <43DE86A0.7070904@maltzen.net> References: <43DA64DC.6070207@msad3.org> <1138564950.3616.5.camel@localhost> <43DD2022.4080702@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <43DE86A0.7070904@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <442BE578.3090803@msad3.org> Thanks to all who helped me get this. Cache removal #!/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." find /home/${x}/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache/* -exec rm -Rf {} \; done Trash removal older than 7 days #!/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." find /home/${x}/.Trash -atime +7 -exec rm -f {} \; done Mark Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Mike Ely wrote: > >> Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 13:22 -0500, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >>> >>>> Dave was nice to send me this for clearing cache >>>> >>>> !#/bin/bash >>>> for x in `ls /home`; do >>>> echo "Doing $x ..." >>>> cd /home/${x}/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache >>>> rm -Rf * >>>> done >>>> >>>> Ok that works just fine. Soooo, If that works for cache, with a >>>> little mod like this >>>> >>>> !#/bin/bash >>>> for x in `ls /home`; do >>>> echo "Doing $x ..." >>>> cd /home/${x}/.Trash >>>> rm -Rf * >>>> done >>> >>> >>> >>> You've probably already considered this but just in case: >>> >>> Deleting cache files should be relatively transparent to an end-user >>> (It >>> affects their performance somewhat but they shouldn't lose data.) >>> Deleting the contents on .Trash is unexpectedly circumventing the way >>> the Trash works (to be able to recover deleted files.) >>> >>> If you hadn't already considered that, you might want to implement >>> aging >>> of the Trash (like the tmpwatch program for /tmp) or user quotas (so >>> the >>> user has to empty the Trash themselves in order to stay under quota.) >>> >>> -Toshio >> >> >> >> That's a good point. However, the vast majority of users do not use >> their Trash (or Recycle Bin) correctly at all. I'm sure many in here >> can recount numerous times where they found a user with a couple of >> gigs of general rubbish in their trash. Most people delete stuff and >> never ever empty. Yeah, there was that one lady who freaked when I >> emptied her trash (it's almost a nervous habit for me when sitting >> down at a desktop). Apparently she was actually using it as a folder >> to store stuff. D'oh! >> >> Mike >> > Taking the above into consideration, how about this: > > !#/bin/bash > for x in `ls /home`; do > echo "Doing $x ..." > find /home/${x}/.Trash -atime +30 -exec rm -f {}\; > done > > This will search each user's ~/.Trash directory for files that have > not been accessed for at least 30 days and delete any it finds. If a > user has no .Trash directory, it just spits out an error. If you > want to test it just to make sure it's going to remove the correct > files, replace the 'rm -f' part with, say, 'ls -l' and it will just > display the files. Once you're sure it will pick the correct files, > change back to 'rm -f'. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 30 14:39:43 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 06:39:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP5 test In-Reply-To: <442BD90D.1020109@maehlum.net> References: <200603291539.k2TFdEaT019724@mx1.redhat.com> <442ABB63.4090006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <442BD90D.1020109@maehlum.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, [ISO-8859-1] Trond M?hlum wrote: > I installed the testversion of K12LTSP5 today. I like what I see, our problems > with K12LSTP4.4.x seem to have bee fixed. The most annoying thing here was the > wait from icewm's starmenu loaded until nautilus showed the desktop. Now it's > really fast. Our strange usbmouse+ps2 keyboard which I told the list about a > couple of days ago, has also been fixed in K12LTSP5. > > I cannot get mplayerplug-in to play anything in Firefox, but that's something > I expect to sort out. I'll check into it. Note-to-self: 64bit FC5 probably needs the 32bit version of mplayerplug-in if the 32bit browser is used. > Now, Eric, you mentioned that this build did not include all the hot new > features of LTSP4.2. One of the tings I look forward to is ltspfs and > usb-sticks showing up on the desktop automatically, instead of using the > samba-approach which we use today. Is this one of the features that is not yet > implemented? Until the last build, I was using a month-old CVS version of LTSP. Many features were missing. The current build uses a couple-day-old CVS version of LTSP, so it is much closer to what the final LTSP 4.2 will include. Jim & crew are hoping have LTSP 4.2 feature-complete by tomorrow. > If it is, or when it does, will it be as simple as adding 'HOTPLUG = Y' to > lts.conf? The parameter will be LOCAL_STORAGE=Y It may take a little more than that for it to work, this is still being hacked on. In a perfect world, just LOCAL_STORAGE=Y will be all that is required. > Also, will this testversion be yum upgrade'able to K12LTSP5 or will a new > fresh install of the final version be necessary? I'm ~99% sure that it will be yum upgrade'able. *All* of my desktops, my work terminal, my home desktop, and my laptop are running the K12LTSP5 test. I have a strong incentive to make sure a reinstall is not required. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 30 14:41:27 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 06:41:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200603300901.k2U91pVB015811@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603300901.k2U91pVB015811@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Roy wrote: > I looked at the older posts and ran "rpm -V ltsp_i386-kernel" and get the > following: > > "package ltsp_i386-kernel is not installed" > > I will keep digging In K12LTSP5, ltsp_i386-kernel has been replaced with ltsp_i386-boot -Eric From lighthumor at hotmail.com Thu Mar 30 14:50:56 2006 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:50:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP5 test / ltspfs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From: Eric Harrison >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP5 test >>hot new features of LTSP4.2. One of the tings I look forward to is ltspfs >>and usb-sticks showing up on the desktop automatically, instead of using >>the samba-approach which we use today. Is this one of the features that is >>not yet implemented? > >Until the last build, I was using a month-old CVS version of LTSP. Many >features were missing. The current build uses a couple-day-old CVS >version of LTSP, so it is much closer to what the final LTSP 4.2 will >include. Jim & crew are hoping have LTSP 4.2 feature-complete by tomorrow. > >>If it is, or when it does, will it be as simple as adding 'HOTPLUG = Y' to >>lts.conf? > >The parameter will be LOCAL_STORAGE=Y > >It may take a little more than that for it to work, this is still being >hacked on. In a perfect world, just LOCAL_STORAGE=Y will be all that is >required. yay! marvelous! From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Mar 30 16:58:35 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:58:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP Message-ID: Hi Eric, Thanks for all of the work. I too have have had the same error today from your most recent post for 64bit fc5 + k12ltsp:: Error: Missing Dependency: python < 0:2.4 is needed by package python-reportlab And, using the rpms you posted 2 days ago also had the clients fail at Trying to load: pxelinux.cf. Thanks again, Jim ---------------------------------------------------------- Eric, During the install it claimed I didn't have python-reportlab and stopped. I added that and ran the install and then everything went fine. I rebooted the server and booted a client and it gets its ip address (192.168.0.253) but I am getting the classic error: Trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/??? Any ideas? I'm sure it's something obvious. I've had this error before way back when with on an older version but don't remember the final resolution. Thanks From milanofabio at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 18:21:37 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:21:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script or Samba PDC setup In-Reply-To: References: <35c1344c0603291219h6326d338ta575ddb4a05dee2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35c1344c0603301021n4ffee2bft406225b29141ce8b@mail.gmail.com> Amazing! If I were to setup a seperate server just for Samba/LDAP authentication and have LTSP and Windows Terminal sever authenticate to it with about 100 users, what type of server would I be looking at (CPU, RAM, etc..) Thanks On 3/30/06, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, March 29, 2006 at 3:19 PM +0000 wrote: > >Hi, > > > >What is the difference between using Samba/LDAP script by David Trask, > >or installing Samba and configuring it as a PDC. > > > >http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/smbldap/ > > > >Thanks > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > A lot. Mostly the ability to set up a seperate server as the Samba/LDAP > server and point both K12LTSP/Linux servers and Windows machines/servers > to it.....you essentially would have "2 doors going into the same room". > Everything can be pointed to a common home directory regardless of Linux > or windows.....(this is a great feature...especially in school with mixed > platforms). Wanna' set up a new K12LTSP server? Simply set it up (no > users necessary) and use authconfig to point it to the Samba/LDAP server > to authenticate. Wanna' add a Windows Terminal server? No > problem....simply set it up and join it to the domain (the Samba/LDAP box > is the PDC). One username and one password...regardless of Linux or > Windows. Samba to authenticate to the Windows side.....LDAP to > authenticate the Linux/Mac OS X side. > > smbldap-installer also comes with a slew of handy scripts to add users in > bulk, create unique usernames....etc. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Mar 30 18:37:20 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:37:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I've just grabbed the pyth-reportlab from a mirror and installed it separately- ver- python-reportlab-1.20-3.fc4.noarch and ran yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils k12ltsp-education again- It is working now. Jim --------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Christiansen" Reply-To: jim at linux.ca To: k12osn at redhat.com CC: jim at linux.ca Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:58:35 -0700 Hi Eric, Thanks for all of the work. I too have have had the same error today from your most recent post for 64bit fc5 + k12ltsp:: Error: Missing Dependency: python < 0:2.4 is needed by package python-reportlab And, using the rpms you posted 2 days ago also had the clients fail at Trying to load: pxelinux.cf. Thanks again, Jim ---------------------------------------------------------- Eric, During the install it claimed I didn't have python-reportlab and stopped. I added that and ran the install and then everything went fine. I rebooted the server and booted a client and it gets its ip address (192.168.0.253) but I am getting the classic error: Trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/??? Any ideas? I'm sure it's something obvious. I've had this error before way back when with on an older version but don't remember the final resolution. Thanks From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Mar 30 19:43:04 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:43:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK- now that all of the 139 packages have downloaded I have the following error: warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 Public key for gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-49.x86_64.rpm is not installed Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) is already installed The GPG keys listed for the "K12LTSP" repository are already installed but they are not correct for this package. Check that the correct key URLs are configured for this repository. Jim --------------------------------------------------------- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 30 19:57:47 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:57:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442C383B.7050202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Christiansen wrote: > OK- now that all of the 139 packages have downloaded I have the > following error: > > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > Public key for gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-49.x86_64.rpm is not installed > Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) > is already installed > > > The GPG keys listed for the "K12LTSP" repository are already installed > but they are not correct for this package. > Check that the correct key URLs are configured for this repository. > > > > Jim Run this command and then run yum again: rpm -ihv /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* -Eric From chuck at ckollars.org Thu Mar 30 20:02:11 2006 From: chuck at ckollars.org (Chuck Kollars) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:02:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] pGina? Message-ID: <442C3943.C58C6DEC@ckollars.org> Somebody suggested to me that we look into pGina. But as of yet I've no idea what it is or why we should look at it. What is pGina, and why should I care? thanks! -Chuck Kollars From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Mar 30 20:05:11 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:05:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <442C383B.7050202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: After running rpm -ihv /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* I just have the following below with a flasshing cursor until I control c it- [root at christiansens ~]# rpm -ihv /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* Retrieving http://freshrpms.net/ error: open of The failed: No such file or directory error: open of following failed: No such file or directory error: open of public failed: No such file or directory error: open of key failed: No such file or directory error: open of can failed: No such file or directory error: open of be failed: No such file or directory error: open of used failed: No such file or directory error: open of to failed: No such file or directory error: open of verify failed: No such file or directory error: open of RPM failed: No such file or directory error: open of packages failed: No such file or directory error: open of built failed: No such file or directory error: open of and failed: No such file or directory error: open of signed failed: No such file or directory error: open of by failed: No such file or directory error: open of Red failed: No such file or directory error: open of Hat, failed: No such file or directory error: open of Inc. failed: No such file or directory error: open of using failed: No such file or directory error: open of `rpm failed: No such file or directory Cheers, Jim ------------------------------------------------ From: Eric Harrison To: jim at linux.ca,"Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:57:47 -0800 Jim Christiansen wrote: > OK- now that all of the 139 packages have downloaded I have the > following error: > > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > Public key for gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-49.x86_64.rpm is not installed > Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) > is already installed > > > The GPG keys listed for the "K12LTSP" repository are already installed > but they are not correct for this package. > Check that the correct key URLs are configured for this repository. > > > > Jim Run this command and then run yum again: rpm -ihv /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* -Eric From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Mar 30 20:07:36 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:07:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] pGina? Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D846@MAILBE2.westat.com> Chuck Kollars wrote: >> >> Somebody suggested to me that we look into pGina. But as of >> yet I've no idea what it is or why we should look at it. What >> is pGina, and why should I care? >From their website: "As it stands, the Microsoft Windows NT/2000/XP client operating system only provides a single method of user authentication. This method calls for the availability of a machine running the Microsoft Windows Server operating system. While this method may work very well in several situations, it does not work at all in others. Should someone be looking to bring the Windows operating system into an environment where user authentication is currently being handled by something other than a Windows server, it is an extremely difficult task to allow for this single method of authentication." http://pgina.xpasystems.com/ -- Henry From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 30 20:14:40 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:14:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442C3C30.90408@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Ack! I'm doing too many things at one time... This is the correct command: rpm --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* -Eric Jim Christiansen wrote: > After running rpm -ihv /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/*KEY* > /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* I just have the following below with a > flasshing cursor until I control c it- > > [root at christiansens ~]# rpm -ihv /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/*KEY* > /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > Retrieving http://freshrpms.net/ > error: open of The failed: No such file or directory > error: open of following failed: No such file or directory > error: open of public failed: No such file or directory > error: open of key failed: No such file or directory > error: open of can failed: No such file or directory > error: open of be failed: No such file or directory > error: open of used failed: No such file or directory > error: open of to failed: No such file or directory > error: open of verify failed: No such file or directory > error: open of RPM failed: No such file or directory > error: open of packages failed: No such file or directory > error: open of built failed: No such file or directory > error: open of and failed: No such file or directory > error: open of signed failed: No such file or directory > error: open of by failed: No such file or directory > error: open of Red failed: No such file or directory > error: open of Hat, failed: No such file or directory > error: open of Inc. failed: No such file or directory > error: open of using failed: No such file or directory > error: open of `rpm failed: No such file or directory > > Cheers, Jim > > ------------------------------------------------ > > From: Eric Harrison > To: jim at linux.ca,"Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:57:47 -0800 > > Jim Christiansen wrote: >> OK- now that all of the 139 packages have downloaded I have the >> following error: >> >> warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID > 4f2a6fd2 >> Public key for gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-49.x86_64.rpm is not installed >> Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY >> GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) >> is already installed >> >> >> The GPG keys listed for the "K12LTSP" repository are already installed >> but they are not correct for this package. >> Check that the correct key URLs are configured for this repository. >> >> >> >> Jim > > > Run this command and then run yum again: > > rpm -ihv /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > > -Eric > > > From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 30 20:15:12 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:15:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] pGina? In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D846@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D846@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <442C3C50.4080904@mesd.k12.or.us> Henry Hartley wrote: > Chuck Kollars wrote: >>> Somebody suggested to me that we look into pGina. But as of >>> yet I've no idea what it is or why we should look at it. What >>> is pGina, and why should I care? > >>From their website: > > "As it stands, the Microsoft Windows NT/2000/XP client operating system > only provides a single method of user authentication. This method calls > for the availability of a machine running the Microsoft Windows Server > operating system. While this method may work very well in several > situations, it does not work at all in others. Should someone be looking > to bring the Windows operating system into an environment where user > authentication is currently being handled by something other than a > Windows server, it is an extremely difficult task to allow for this > single method of authentication." > > http://pgina.xpasystems.com/ You could think of it like PAM for Windows. You can choose alternate authentication sources, like LDAP, RADIUS, or slashdot.org (silly, but true) instead of a Windows Domain or local accounts. Many different authentication sources are possible via plugins. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 30 20:17:44 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:17:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442C3CE8.6030601@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Christiansen wrote: > Well, I've just grabbed the pyth-reportlab from a mirror and installed > it separately- ver- python-reportlab-1.20-3.fc4.noarch > > and ran yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils > k12ltsp-education again- It is working now. > > Jim > --------------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jim Christiansen" > Reply-To: jim at linux.ca > To: k12osn at redhat.com > CC: jim at linux.ca > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:58:35 -0700 > > Hi Eric, > > Thanks for all of the work. I too have have had the same error today > from your most recent post for 64bit fc5 + k12ltsp:: > > Error: Missing Dependency: python < 0:2.4 is needed by package > python-reportlab > That is strange, FC5 64bit should require python-reportlab-1.20-5.fc5 Was this an upgrade to FC5 64bit or a fresh install? What version of python & architecture of python do you have installed? rpm -q --qf="%{NAME}.%{ARCH}\n" python -Eric From roy at mpk.com Thu Mar 30 20:39:05 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:39:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <442C3CE8.6030601@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200603302034.k2UKYJwm003116@mx3.redhat.com> Eric, You're a popular guy. I had the same results. Mine was a fresh 64bit install and I had to add the python-reportlab as I reported at 3:00 am ; ). But that's no biggie it was easy to figure out and to complete the install. My main concern right now is to get the clients to connect. Any ideas on what could be wrong. Is there anything else I can try? I am happy to reinstall or whatever else you would like me to do. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 2:18 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP Jim Christiansen wrote: > Well, I've just grabbed the pyth-reportlab from a mirror and installed > it separately- ver- python-reportlab-1.20-3.fc4.noarch > > and ran yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils > k12ltsp-education again- It is working now. > > Jim > --------------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jim Christiansen" > Reply-To: jim at linux.ca > To: k12osn at redhat.com > CC: jim at linux.ca > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:58:35 -0700 > > Hi Eric, > > Thanks for all of the work. I too have have had the same error today > from your most recent post for 64bit fc5 + k12ltsp:: > > Error: Missing Dependency: python < 0:2.4 is needed by package > python-reportlab > That is strange, FC5 64bit should require python-reportlab-1.20-5.fc5 Was this an upgrade to FC5 64bit or a fresh install? What version of python & architecture of python do you have installed? rpm -q --qf="%{NAME}.%{ARCH}\n" python -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Mar 30 20:39:04 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:39:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <442C3C30.90408@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: 2 things- 1) The answer to your last email- [root at christiansens ~]# rpm -q --qf="%{NAME}.%{ARCH}\n" python python.x86_64 on a FC5 64bit fresh install 2) After running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize- twice- the dhcpd.conf file is empty!! # # DHCP Server Configuration file. # see /usr/share/doc/dhcp*/dhcpd.conf.sample # I'll try to pop my old one in- I haven't check the lts.cong yet... From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 30 20:46:54 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:46:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442C43BE.4050006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Christiansen wrote: > 2 things- > > 1) The answer to your last email- > > [root at christiansens ~]# rpm -q --qf="%{NAME}.%{ARCH}\n" python > python.x86_64 > > on a FC5 64bit fresh install I'm burning new discs right now. I'll test this shortly... > 2) After running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize- > twice- the dhcpd.conf file is empty!! > # > # DHCP Server Configuration file. > # see /usr/share/doc/dhcp*/dhcpd.conf.sample > # > > I'll try to pop my old one in- I haven't check the lts.cong yet... > > > The new-and-improved DHCP config file is /etc/dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp This is specified in /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd: DHCPDARGS=" -cf /etc/dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp" The same magic is done with named.conf as well... (Note-to-self: I'm inconsistent between the two, I should rename /etc/dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf) -Eric From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Mar 30 21:05:21 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:05:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <442C43BE.4050006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Hi Eric, Same prob as Roy- the client can't get past trying to load pxelinux.cfg... Is there any chance of you creating a DVD iso of k12LTSP 5.0? Thanks, Jim ---------------------------------------------- Jim Christiansen wrote: > 2 things- > > 1) The answer to your last email- > > [root at christiansens ~]# rpm -q --qf="%{NAME}.%{ARCH}\n" python > python.x86_64 > > on a FC5 64bit fresh install I'm burning new discs right now. I'll test this shortly... > 2) After running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize- > twice- the dhcpd.conf file is empty!! > # > # DHCP Server Configuration file. > # see /usr/share/doc/dhcp*/dhcpd.conf.sample > # > > I'll try to pop my old one in- I haven't check the lts.cong yet... > > > The new-and-improved DHCP config file is /etc/dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp This is specified in /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd: DHCPDARGS=" -cf /etc/dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp" The same magic is done with named.conf as well... (Note-to-self: I'm inconsistent between the two, I should rename /etc/dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf) -Eric From margus at yx.ee Thu Mar 30 21:08:19 2006 From: margus at yx.ee (Margus Veer) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:08:19 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <442C43BE.4050006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <013d01c6543e$12909a90$2200a8c0@marx> New features of LTSP-4.2 And in that's plase: Fetch all the source tarballs cd lbe ./build_all --fetch I have error: Crosscomp-scr: Gcc MUST be between 3.2 and 3.4 !! What I must to ?! From jam at mcquil.com Thu Mar 30 21:16:56 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:16:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <013d01c6543e$12909a90$2200a8c0@marx> References: <442C43BE.4050006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <013d01c6543e$12909a90$2200a8c0@marx> Message-ID: <60282.68.250.145.129.1143753416.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Thu, March 30, 2006 4:08 pm, Margus Veer wrote: > > > New features of LTSP-4.2 > And in that's plase: > Fetch all the source tarballs > > cd lbe > ./build_all --fetch > > I have error: > Crosscomp-scr: > > Gcc MUST be between 3.2 and 3.4 !! You need to install a version of GCC that is between 3.2 and 3.4 You should be able to install that, without removing whatever version your system has. I don't know what distro you are using, but I'm using Ubuntu and Debian, and for those, it's a simple 'apt-get install gcc-3.4'. Also, if you can just wait until next tuesday (Apr 4th), LTSP-4.2 will be released, and you can just do a binary installation. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > What I must to ?! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From roy at mpk.com Thu Mar 30 20:48:19 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:48:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603302122.k2ULMLU7015925@mx3.redhat.com> I noticed that too and used the dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp file and still had the same results -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Christiansen Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 2:39 PM To: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us; jim at linux.ca; k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP 2 things- 1) The answer to your last email- [root at christiansens ~]# rpm -q --qf="%{NAME}.%{ARCH}\n" python python.x86_64 on a FC5 64bit fresh install 2) After running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize- twice- the dhcpd.conf file is empty!! # # DHCP Server Configuration file. # see /usr/share/doc/dhcp*/dhcpd.conf.sample # I'll try to pop my old one in- I haven't check the lts.cong yet... _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From roy at mpk.com Thu Mar 30 21:14:02 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:14:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603302124.k2ULOYS0009914@mx1.redhat.com> Yes Eric, when are you coming over to help me install this. LOL Just teasing ; ) Eric, we appreciate all you work your doing. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Christiansen Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:05 PM To: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us; jim at linux.ca; k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP Hi Eric, Same prob as Roy- the client can't get past trying to load pxelinux.cfg... Is there any chance of you creating a DVD iso of k12LTSP 5.0? Thanks, Jim ---------------------------------------------- Jim Christiansen wrote: > 2 things- > > 1) The answer to your last email- > > [root at christiansens ~]# rpm -q --qf="%{NAME}.%{ARCH}\n" python > python.x86_64 > > on a FC5 64bit fresh install I'm burning new discs right now. I'll test this shortly... > 2) After running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize- > twice- the dhcpd.conf file is empty!! > # > # DHCP Server Configuration file. > # see /usr/share/doc/dhcp*/dhcpd.conf.sample > # > > I'll try to pop my old one in- I haven't check the lts.cong yet... > > > The new-and-improved DHCP config file is /etc/dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp This is specified in /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd: DHCPDARGS=" -cf /etc/dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp" The same magic is done with named.conf as well... (Note-to-self: I'm inconsistent between the two, I should rename /etc/dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf) -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From margus at yx.ee Thu Mar 30 21:27:27 2006 From: margus at yx.ee (Margus Veer) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:27:27 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <60282.68.250.145.129.1143753416.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <013e01c65440$bef22c20$2200a8c0@marx> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim McQuillan Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:17 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP On Thu, March 30, 2006 4:08 pm, Margus Veer wrote: > > > New features of LTSP-4.2 > And in that's plase: > Fetch all the source tarballs > > cd lbe > ./build_all --fetch > > I have error: > Crosscomp-scr: > > Gcc MUST be between 3.2 and 3.4 !! You need to install a version of GCC that is between 3.2 and 3.4 Thats I Allready undrestand and whn but apt-get install gcc = gcc ia already the newest version From jam at mcquil.com Thu Mar 30 21:38:29 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:38:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <013e01c65440$bef22c20$2200a8c0@marx> References: <60282.68.250.145.129.1143753416.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <013e01c65440$bef22c20$2200a8c0@marx> Message-ID: <50859.68.250.145.129.1143754709.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Thu, March 30, 2006 4:27 pm, Margus Veer wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of Jim McQuillan > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:17 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Cc: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > > On Thu, March 30, 2006 4:08 pm, Margus Veer wrote: >> >> >> New features of LTSP-4.2 >> And in that's plase: >> Fetch all the source tarballs >> >> cd lbe >> ./build_all --fetch >> >> I have error: >> Crosscomp-scr: >> >> Gcc MUST be between 3.2 and 3.4 !! > > You need to install a version of GCC that is between 3.2 and 3.4 > > Thats I Allready undrestand and whn but apt-get install gcc > = gcc ia already the newest version NO NO NO I didn't say 'apt-get install gcc' I said 'apt-get install gcc-3.4' You have to ASK for the right package, to get version 3.4 of the gcc compiler. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 30 23:30:31 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:30:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: <200603302122.k2ULMLU7015925@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603302122.k2ULMLU7015925@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <442C6A17.3010403@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I just finished an install of FC5 64 bit and can confirm that something is broken with TFTP. Now to go figure out how to fix it ;-) -Eric Roy wrote: > I noticed that too and used the dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp file and still had the > same results > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Jim Christiansen > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 2:39 PM > To: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us; jim at linux.ca; k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP > > 2 things- > > 1) The answer to your last email- > > [root at christiansens ~]# rpm -q --qf="%{NAME}.%{ARCH}\n" python > python.x86_64 > > on a FC5 64bit fresh install > > 2) After running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize- > twice- the dhcpd.conf file is empty!! > # > # DHCP Server Configuration file. > # see /usr/share/doc/dhcp*/dhcpd.conf.sample > # > > I'll try to pop my old one in- I haven't check the lts.cong yet... > > > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Mar 30 23:44:42 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:44:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: XDMCP and DHCP Message-ID: <1143762282.10824.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, Ok, I am getting pretty frustrated with a current issue I am facing. I am currently working on an Ubuntu LTSP installation and have everything installed and configured except for XDMCP. When I use ltspcfg it says XDMCP isn't installed. I have xdm and all the libs installed which is what I read to do. I go back into ltspcfg and it still says it isn't installed. What am I missing to get XDMCP installed? Does *anyone* have any idea what I am missing or where I can go? Also, it appears as though my DHCP server isn't picking up terminal dhcp requests. I have it configured properly (what I've read from the LTSP tutorial off of LTSP.org) and allow booting and bootp. I have checked and double checked but it isn't picking up. Any and all ideas, websites, tutorials, thoughts, suggestions, pretty much anything is welcome at this time and would be *greatly* appreciated. Thanks in advance. -Paul From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 31 00:38:26 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:38:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: <442C6A17.3010403@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200603302122.k2ULMLU7015925@mx3.redhat.com> <442C6A17.3010403@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <442C7A02.9080203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > I just finished an install of FC5 64 bit and can confirm that something > is broken with TFTP. Now to go figure out how to fix it ;-) > > -Eric > Out of all the terminals we have laying around here, only one won't boot off the test FC5 64bit server. The problem terminal fetches /tftp/pxe/pxelinux.0 just fine. When it goes to fetch its config file, it tries to retrieve it from the IP address 0.0.0.0. It will boot off the FC5 32bit server, which uses exactly the same pxelinux.0. Just for kicks, I replaced the /tftp/pxe/pxelinux.0 file from a K12LTSP 4.4 server - no joy there either. I replaced the tftpd-server and xinetd packages with the 32 bit versions, with no change. Perhaps a problem with a specific PXE bios and the 2.6.16 x86_64 kernel? Interesting problem.... -Eric From milanofabio at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 00:44:53 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:44:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Mouse and Keyboard Message-ID: <35c1344c0603301644q4292eb49kef6d14dffb9e1a2d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Anyone have any suggestions for a "good quality" 3button+ Mouse and Keyboard combo, that works well with K12LTSP Centos 4.2 thin clients. Anyone have experience with Wireless Mice and thin clients? Thnks From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 00:48:16 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:18:16 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: XDMCP and DHCP In-Reply-To: <1143762282.10824.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143762282.10824.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <774593a20603301648q398f1c6aj81bff4905857f2f8@mail.gmail.com> On 31/03/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > Ok, I am getting pretty frustrated with a current issue I am facing. I > am currently working on an Ubuntu LTSP installation and have everything > installed and configured except for XDMCP. When I use ltspcfg it says > XDMCP isn't installed. I have xdm and all the libs installed which is > what I read to do. I go back into ltspcfg and it still says it isn't > installed. What am I missing to get XDMCP installed? Does *anyone* have > any idea what I am missing or where I can go? > ltspcfg has bug and reports xdmcp service wrongly. Goto ltsp how to and do command line checks as listed. > Also, it appears as though my DHCP server isn't picking up terminal dhcp > requests. I have it configured properly (what I've read from the LTSP > tutorial off of LTSP.org) and allow booting and bootp. I have checked > and double checked but it isn't picking up. > Is the service dhcpd started? Which file contains dhcpd configuration? Was this ltsp install on top of Ubuntu or Synaptic install from Ubuntu site? The latter is broken. And also which tftpd you have installed? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From ramonklown at pop.com.br Fri Mar 31 00:49:15 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:49:15 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP5 test / ltspfs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46324.200.165.176.231.1143766155.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Mar 31 02:10:55 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:10:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: XDMCP and DHCP In-Reply-To: <774593a20603301648q398f1c6aj81bff4905857f2f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1143762282.10824.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <774593a20603301648q398f1c6aj81bff4905857f2f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1143771055.14764.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sudev, I used apt-get to install ltsp-utils then used ltspadmin to install all of the LTSP packages. The DHCP service has been installed and is running and TFTP is installed and running. -Paul On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 06:18 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 31/03/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > Ok, I am getting pretty frustrated with a current issue I am facing. I > > am currently working on an Ubuntu LTSP installation and have everything > > installed and configured except for XDMCP. When I use ltspcfg it says > > XDMCP isn't installed. I have xdm and all the libs installed which is > > what I read to do. I go back into ltspcfg and it still says it isn't > > installed. What am I missing to get XDMCP installed? Does *anyone* have > > any idea what I am missing or where I can go? > > > > ltspcfg has bug and reports xdmcp service wrongly. Goto ltsp how to > and do command line checks as listed. > > > > Also, it appears as though my DHCP server isn't picking up terminal dhcp > > requests. I have it configured properly (what I've read from the LTSP > > tutorial off of LTSP.org) and allow booting and bootp. I have checked > > and double checked but it isn't picking up. > > > > Is the service dhcpd started? Which file contains dhcpd configuration? > Was this ltsp install on top of Ubuntu or Synaptic install from Ubuntu > site? The latter is broken. And also which tftpd you have installed? > > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 31 02:10:12 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:10:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: <442C7A02.9080203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200603302122.k2ULMLU7015925@mx3.redhat.com> <442C6A17.3010403@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <442C7A02.9080203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> I just finished an install of FC5 64 bit and can confirm that something >> is broken with TFTP. Now to go figure out how to fix it ;-) >> >> -Eric >> I tried the broken terminal on a fresh install of FC5 32bit and I saw the same problem, so it is not a 64bit-specific issue. The FC5 32bit server at work does not do DHCP, that is done on a different server. I downgraded my test server from DHCP 3.0.3 (FC5) to 3.0.2 (FC4) and sure enough the broken terminal will boot. Looks like a bug in DHCP 3.0.3. Now I just need to figure out a way to file a useful bug report ;-) -Eric From jam at mcquil.com Fri Mar 31 02:16:07 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:16:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: References: <200603302122.k2ULMLU7015925@mx3.redhat.com> <442C6A17.3010403@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <442C7A02.9080203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <442C90E7.8010508@McQuil.com> Eric, Have you seen this: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP I think it explains the problem you are having with DHCP 3.0.3 Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> I just finished an install of FC5 64 bit and can confirm that something >>> is broken with TFTP. Now to go figure out how to fix it ;-) >>> >>> -Eric >>> > > I tried the broken terminal on a fresh install of FC5 32bit and I > saw the same problem, so it is not a 64bit-specific issue. > > The FC5 32bit server at work does not do DHCP, that is done on a > different server. > > I downgraded my test server from DHCP 3.0.3 (FC5) to 3.0.2 (FC4) and > sure enough the broken terminal will boot. Looks like a bug in DHCP > 3.0.3. > > Now I just need to figure out a way to file a useful bug report ;-) > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 02:22:14 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:22:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: References: <200603302122.k2ULMLU7015925@mx3.redhat.com> <442C6A17.3010403@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <442C7A02.9080203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 3/30/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > I tried the broken terminal on a fresh install of FC5 32bit and I > saw the same problem, so it is not a 64bit-specific issue. > > The FC5 32bit server at work does not do DHCP, that is done on a > different server. > > I downgraded my test server from DHCP 3.0.3 (FC5) to 3.0.2 (FC4) and > sure enough the broken terminal will boot. Looks like a bug in DHCP 3.0.3. > > Now I just need to figure out a way to file a useful bug report ;-) I've been watching this whole issue Eric. My hat's off to you man! You ROCK! -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 31 02:30:25 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:30:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: <442C90E7.8010508@McQuil.com> References: <200603302122.k2ULMLU7015925@mx3.redhat.com> <442C6A17.3010403@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <442C7A02.9080203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <442C90E7.8010508@McQuil.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Eric, > > Have you seen this: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP > > I think it explains the problem you are having with DHCP 3.0.3 > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org That is exactly the problem. Thanks Jim, I own you one (or six ;-) -Eric > Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>> I just finished an install of FC5 64 bit and can confirm that something >>>> is broken with TFTP. Now to go figure out how to fix it ;-) >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> >> >> I tried the broken terminal on a fresh install of FC5 32bit and I >> saw the same problem, so it is not a 64bit-specific issue. >> >> The FC5 32bit server at work does not do DHCP, that is done on a >> different server. >> >> I downgraded my test server from DHCP 3.0.3 (FC5) to 3.0.2 (FC4) and >> sure enough the broken terminal will boot. Looks like a bug in DHCP 3.0.3. >> >> Now I just need to figure out a way to file a useful bug report ;-) >> >> -Eric From roy at mpk.com Fri Mar 31 03:00:32 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:00:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603310255.k2V2tgAq029816@mx3.redhat.com> Eric, Sorry for my ignorance but now that the culprit is found how can we fix it? By the way I reinstalled K12-fc5 using your 1-6.iso files you posted today and it rebooted fine. If you recall the previous version froze at udev. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:30 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Eric, > > Have you seen this: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP > > I think it explains the problem you are having with DHCP 3.0.3 > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org That is exactly the problem. Thanks Jim, I own you one (or six ;-) -Eric > Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>> I just finished an install of FC5 64 bit and can confirm that something >>>> is broken with TFTP. Now to go figure out how to fix it ;-) >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> >> >> I tried the broken terminal on a fresh install of FC5 32bit and I >> saw the same problem, so it is not a 64bit-specific issue. >> >> The FC5 32bit server at work does not do DHCP, that is done on a >> different server. >> >> I downgraded my test server from DHCP 3.0.3 (FC5) to 3.0.2 (FC4) and >> sure enough the broken terminal will boot. Looks like a bug in DHCP 3.0.3. >> >> Now I just need to figure out a way to file a useful bug report ;-) >> >> -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 31 03:11:02 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:11:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: <200603310255.k2V2tgAq029816@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603310255.k2V2tgAq029816@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Roy wrote: > Eric, > > Sorry for my ignorance but now that the culprit is found how can we fix it? > By the way I reinstalled K12-fc5 using your 1-6.iso files you posted today > and it rebooted fine. If you recall the previous version froze at udev. I just finished building a new package and tested it. Wait about 15 minutes and run "yum update". That should install a new dhcp-ltsp-config package. Once it is installed, restart dhcp (/sbin/service dhcpd restart) and try booting your terminal. As for your udev problem, there was a kernel update that fixed some problems related to AMD64/EM64T. I haven't looked into it, but that is a decent bet that is what fixed it. -Eric From roy at mpk.com Fri Mar 31 03:25:28 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:25:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603310320.k2V3Kdft011397@mx1.redhat.com> Ah, that makes sense. When you told me to try update the fresh install and it rebooted it was already on a update past your first build. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:11 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Roy wrote: > Eric, > > Sorry for my ignorance but now that the culprit is found how can we fix it? > By the way I reinstalled K12-fc5 using your 1-6.iso files you posted today > and it rebooted fine. If you recall the previous version froze at udev. I just finished building a new package and tested it. Wait about 15 minutes and run "yum update". That should install a new dhcp-ltsp-config package. Once it is installed, restart dhcp (/sbin/service dhcpd restart) and try booting your terminal. As for your udev problem, there was a kernel update that fixed some problems related to AMD64/EM64T. I haven't looked into it, but that is a decent bet that is what fixed it. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From roy at mpk.com Fri Mar 31 03:40:12 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:40:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603310342.k2V3geiM008282@mx3.redhat.com> It installed but I got this error (1/2): yumex-0.99.15-1.0. 100% |=========================| 396 kB 01:25 (2/2): wpa_supplicant-0.4 100% |=========================| 237 kB 00:00 warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 Public key for wpa_supplicant-0.4.8-6.fc5.x86_64.rpm is not installed Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) is already installed The GPG keys listed for the "K12LTSP" repository are already installed but they are not correct for this package. Check that the correct key URLs are configured for this repository. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:11 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Roy wrote: > Eric, > > Sorry for my ignorance but now that the culprit is found how can we fix it? > By the way I reinstalled K12-fc5 using your 1-6.iso files you posted today > and it rebooted fine. If you recall the previous version froze at udev. I just finished building a new package and tested it. Wait about 15 minutes and run "yum update". That should install a new dhcp-ltsp-config package. Once it is installed, restart dhcp (/sbin/service dhcpd restart) and try booting your terminal. As for your udev problem, there was a kernel update that fixed some problems related to AMD64/EM64T. I haven't looked into it, but that is a decent bet that is what fixed it. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 31 03:57:40 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:57:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: <200603310342.k2V3geiM008282@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603310342.k2V3geiM008282@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Roy wrote: > It installed but I got this error > > (1/2): yumex-0.99.15-1.0. 100% |=========================| 396 kB 01:25 > (2/2): wpa_supplicant-0.4 100% |=========================| 237 kB 00:00 > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > Public key for wpa_supplicant-0.4.8-6.fc5.x86_64.rpm is not installed > Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) is > already installed > > > The GPG keys listed for the "K12LTSP" repository are already installed but > they are not correct for this package. > Check that the correct key URLs are configured for this repository. That bug will be fixed real-soon-now as well. This command will fix you up: rpm --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* -Eric From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Fri Mar 31 03:57:56 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:57:56 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Finding lost directory Message-ID: <442CA8C4.3020703@orcon.net.nz> HELP! A very important directory has disappeared from our server, (with our student database). Is there anyway of looking for files that have been accidentally moved/deleted etc? From roy at mpk.com Fri Mar 31 04:13:23 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:13:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603310408.k2V48Wsb013513@mx3.redhat.com> IT WORKS!!! And holy sh*t it came up fast. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:58 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Roy wrote: > It installed but I got this error > > (1/2): yumex-0.99.15-1.0. 100% |=========================| 396 kB 01:25 > (2/2): wpa_supplicant-0.4 100% |=========================| 237 kB 00:00 > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > Public key for wpa_supplicant-0.4.8-6.fc5.x86_64.rpm is not installed > Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) is > already installed > > > The GPG keys listed for the "K12LTSP" repository are already installed but > they are not correct for this package. > Check that the correct key URLs are configured for this repository. That bug will be fixed real-soon-now as well. This command will fix you up: rpm --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 04:17:37 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:47:37 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: XDMCP and DHCP In-Reply-To: <1143771055.14764.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143762282.10824.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <774593a20603301648q398f1c6aj81bff4905857f2f8@mail.gmail.com> <1143771055.14764.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <774593a20603302017i21ea82f3x72428943ca942318@mail.gmail.com> On 31/03/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > Sudev, > > I used apt-get to install ltsp-utils then used ltspadmin to install all > of the LTSP packages. The DHCP service has been installed and is running > and TFTP is installed and running. > That is why you are running into problems. The ltsp in repository is Ubuntu's version which is broken (see archives for Jim's explanation) Just do a complete uninstall. Get ltsp package from ltsp.org and install that. Before this you may have to install individual services like tftphpa, xdmcp, dhcp3 etc.. which you can do with apt or synaptic. Then run ltspcfg or ltspadmin HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From roy at mpk.com Fri Mar 31 05:07:23 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:07:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603310503.k2V53f8r024005@mx3.redhat.com> I couldn't remember, is this considered 4.2. The reason I ask is that I am unable to use USB keys. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:58 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Roy wrote: > It installed but I got this error > > (1/2): yumex-0.99.15-1.0. 100% |=========================| 396 kB 01:25 > (2/2): wpa_supplicant-0.4 100% |=========================| 237 kB 00:00 > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > Public key for wpa_supplicant-0.4.8-6.fc5.x86_64.rpm is not installed > Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) is > already installed > > > The GPG keys listed for the "K12LTSP" repository are already installed but > they are not correct for this package. > Check that the correct key URLs are configured for this repository. That bug will be fixed real-soon-now as well. This command will fix you up: rpm --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Mar 31 08:33:00 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:33:00 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Finding lost directory In-Reply-To: <442CA8C4.3020703@orcon.net.nz> References: <442CA8C4.3020703@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <200603310833.00660.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Friday 31 Mar 2006 03:57, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > HELP! > A very important directory has disappeared from our server, (with our > student database). Is there anyway of looking for files that have been > accidentally moved/deleted etc? Do you have a backup? If so recover from it. If not, I fear it is too late. It IS possible to recover deleted files following the instructions at http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/browse_thread/thread/89854392c7ddba14/f5c731a28f009db8 and I have done in on a couple of occasions. However, the sucess of recovery is directly related to how much has changed on the filesystem. You need to unmount is as soon as the file has been deleted, unless you have a very quiet box and servers are rarely inactive. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Mar 31 11:25:04 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:25:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: XDMCP and DHCP In-Reply-To: <1143771055.14764.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143762282.10824.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <774593a20603301648q398f1c6aj81bff4905857f2f8@mail.gmail.com> <1143771055.14764.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <60520.70.33.151.214.1143804304.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Paul. fwiw: i never trust the xdmcp response in ltspadmin..and just edit the files that need editting...Xaccess and gdm.conf/kdmrc.... From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Mar 31 12:58:54 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:58:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Old server hardware In-Reply-To: <20060330134613.jr3j4j2dduhc88o0@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> References: <200603282341.k2SNfm6T021705@mx3.redhat.com> <4429D31A.6040805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060330134613.jr3j4j2dduhc88o0@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: <8155F261-5A22-4369-AAF3-1D75B19CCD17@mindfirestudios.com> Machines like this (good disk I/O, and RAM, MultiCPUs but not fast) are great machines to set up as the LDAP/NFS homes server. I'd use a cheep workstation (dual core AMD for example) and a couple GIGs of RAM to do the terminal/app serving. That way you only have to buy the spendy SCSI disks once. Segregate your LTSP traffic from your NFS/ LDAP/internet, traffic and use gigabit connections in as many places as you can on the backbones. The only link that doesn't really use gigabit capability is the last leg from the client to the switch. On Mar 30, 2006, at 4:46 AM, Mikko Jordman wrote: > I could get an old server > HP NET SERVER LXR 8000 / 4x450 mhz XEON / 2.5 GB RAM / 2x 18GB HDD > > Could it be used for a LTSP-server for a few terminals? If so, how > many > terminals and what limitations? Larger disks etc ... > > Yours, Mikko Jordman, Finland > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Mar 31 13:08:07 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:08:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: XDMCP and DHCP In-Reply-To: <60520.70.33.151.214.1143804304.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <1143762282.10824.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <774593a20603301648q398f1c6aj81bff4905857f2f8@mail.gmail.com> <1143771055.14764.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <60520.70.33.151.214.1143804304.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <1143810488.14257.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ah ok. You're right, my XDMCP is working after all and ltspcfg just isn't showing properly. Now it's just my DHCP server that won't answer request from terminal clients. Going to try a fresh install like Sudev suggested. -Paul On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 06:25 -0500, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > Paul. > fwiw: i never trust the xdmcp response in ltspadmin..and just edit the > files that need editting...Xaccess and gdm.conf/kdmrc.... From roy at mpk.com Fri Mar 31 16:03:00 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:03:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200603311558.k2VFw9ca027300@mx1.redhat.com> Eric, On the previous versions my sound worked but it not working on this one. I checked the lts.conf and I did see sound=y. I'll play around module setting to see if can get one client to work. In the past I only needed to do this for client with oddball sound cards. Thanks If I haven't said it already, awesome work dude. Super fast! -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:58 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Roy wrote: > It installed but I got this error > > (1/2): yumex-0.99.15-1.0. 100% |=========================| 396 kB 01:25 > (2/2): wpa_supplicant-0.4 100% |=========================| 237 kB 00:00 > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > Public key for wpa_supplicant-0.4.8-6.fc5.x86_64.rpm is not installed > Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) is > already installed > > > The GPG keys listed for the "K12LTSP" repository are already installed but > they are not correct for this package. > Check that the correct key URLs are configured for this repository. That bug will be fixed real-soon-now as well. This command will fix you up: rpm --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Mar 31 16:46:57 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:46:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] So...who's going to LinuxWorld in Boston? Message-ID: So....Who's going to LinuxWorld in Boston? I'm curious so I can keep a lookout for ya'. I'll be working the LTSP booth much of the time. Send me a note if you'll be in town on Monday...or whenever and want to get together for a beer....I'll send you my cell #. I'll be arriving in Boston on Monday late afternoon early evening. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From mlast at sd64.bc.ca Fri Mar 31 17:27:02 2006 From: mlast at sd64.bc.ca (Maurice Last) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:27:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] using yum to update k12ltsp Message-ID: <442D6666.3030902@sd64.bc.ca> I ran "yum update" on one of our servers (k12ltsp 4.2.0) and it broke the users gnome desktops- a bunch of error messages on login and no menu/task bars. Is there a quick fix for this? thanks -- Maurice Last ICT Curriculum Implementation Coordinator, Electronic Systems Coordinator, and Teacher Gulf Islands Secondary School and School District 64 (Gulf Islands) Saltspring Island BC Canada From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Mar 31 17:32:35 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (sysadmin ) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:32:35 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Wireless presenter on a thin client Message-ID: <200603311832.AA1639514346@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Has anyone got one to work? Here is our scenario. Teachers have thin clients on their desks, to which is connected a projector via a VGA splitter. This all works fine; they can show via the projector, what is on their screens. One of the teachers wants to be able to walk around and control this mouse, to show the boys what to click on. Our clients have PS/2 mice and USB ports and we noticed that if you plug a USB mouse in, it works fine - having two mice on a client is great fun :-) Next we tried a wireless mouse (normal PC type) with a USB receiver and this too worked fine, except the range was very limited. Finally we purchased one of these www.targus.com/uk/ product_details.asp?sku=AMP02EU and plugged it in. The mouse pointed can be moved vertically but not horizontally. On a stand alone linux box it works perfectly. Is this a client problem, or a problem with the device? We were expecting it just to work, especially as USB mice do. Help! -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From roy at mpk.com Fri Mar 31 18:00:34 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:00:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: <200603311558.k2VFw9ca027300@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200603311755.k2VHtcRF003682@mx1.redhat.com> I played around with lts.conf and I got one of my audios to work so far (I just uncommented the smodule_01. I still have one client that won't boot that used too. It doesn't like the video. I also noticed that I am getting a named.conf error when the server loads. I checked the message log and it says the named.conf is missing. I did a locate for a sample named.conf file and couldn't find anything. Could you send one I can use? Does anyone know where the log file is for the clients? Like dmesg. If I can see this it will make it much easier to troubleshoot the audio and video issues. Roy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Roy Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:03 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP Eric, On the previous versions my sound worked but it not working on this one. I checked the lts.conf and I did see sound=y. I'll play around module setting to see if can get one client to work. In the past I only needed to do this for client with oddball sound cards. Thanks If I haven't said it already, awesome work dude. Super fast! -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:58 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Roy wrote: > It installed but I got this error > > (1/2): yumex-0.99.15-1.0. 100% |=========================| 396 kB 01:25 > (2/2): wpa_supplicant-0.4 100% |=========================| 237 kB 00:00 > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > Public key for wpa_supplicant-0.4.8-6.fc5.x86_64.rpm is not installed > Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) is > already installed > > > The GPG keys listed for the "K12LTSP" repository are already installed but > they are not correct for this package. > Check that the correct key URLs are configured for this repository. That bug will be fixed real-soon-now as well. This command will fix you up: rpm --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Fri Mar 31 18:52:09 2006 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:52:09 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Suggestions on Server Deployment In-Reply-To: <000101c650ab$55b8c540$0300a8c0@DAGATEWAY> References: <000101c650ab$55b8c540$0300a8c0@DAGATEWAY> Message-ID: <200603311352.09440.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Sunday 26 March 2006 03:00, David Ackerman wrote: > We have been using K12ltsp for 4 clients for a few months, with no major > problems. We want to expand things now and need some advice. > > 1) We want to provide email for our students. > > 2) We want to provide network folders for students. > > 3) We want to filter internet traffic to the student network (which > will mostly be Windows computers). > > We have very little money, so K12ltsp is a nice option. We are also > looking at doing some of the above with an additional Ubuntu server, but > this would be mean two servers and the problem of network folders, > filtering and backup. > > Can we do all of the above with one K12LTSP server? What potential > problems are there of having an email server and LTSP on the same computer? > Can the clients cause the whole system to hang, thus email is not working? > Can K12 also filter Windows machines hooked up to it? How effective will > K12 be as an email server and LTSP server? Hi David, There is a lot of detail missing here for anyone to provide feedback. Please provide some details on the hardware in your server, how many email accounts, how many Windows PC's will be routed through the server, how many terminals do you intend to use. Please note however as a general statement anytime you add multiple applications/uses to a single server you increase the risk of what you lose when an outage occurs. So while the hardware of your server may support loading all of these applications, you still increase your risks of the cost of an outage. These risks can be counter by building a hardware reliable server (RAID, dual power supplies, etc.) Peace, John Hansknecht From chuck at ckollars.org Fri Mar 31 18:58:55 2006 From: chuck at ckollars.org (Chuck Kollars) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:58:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server hard drives: SCSI or SATA? Message-ID: <442D7BEF.3D359884@ckollars.org> I'm pricing hardware for a new file server for our combined middle/high school, and I've notice that SATA hard drives are much much much cheaper than SCSI hard drives. The conventional wisdom used to be that SCSI was preferred for file servers because the drives were quite a bit more reliable. BUT somebody told me the mechanical parts of all hard drives are now exactly the same (only one manufacturing line) and only the interface electronics are different. - Are SCSI drives really worth the additional cost? - Why do most servers still prefer to configure SCSI? - If only the electronics are different, why are very high speed (10,000rpm and above) drives almost always SCSI? - How could I arrange to use SATA drives yet get the very high reliability I need? thanks! -- Chuck Kollars From JRuff at Sihope.com Fri Mar 31 19:07:45 2006 From: JRuff at Sihope.com (John G. Ruff) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:07:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server hard drives: SCSI or SATA? In-Reply-To: <442D7BEF.3D359884@ckollars.org> References: <442D7BEF.3D359884@ckollars.org> Message-ID: <1143832065.16423.386.camel@JohnRuff.Updates4You.com> The SATA drives that are equivalent to SCSI quality will have the same drive size (74, 136, 272 Gb), higher RPMs and generally 5 year warranties. The 7200 RPM SATA drives are mostly equivalent to IDE / ATA / PATA drives with 1 - 3 year warranties. jr On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 13:58 -0500, Chuck Kollars wrote: > I'm pricing hardware for a new file server for our combined middle/high school, and I've notice that SATA hard drives are much much much cheaper than SCSI hard drives. > > The conventional wisdom used to be that SCSI was preferred for file servers because the drives were quite a bit more reliable. BUT somebody told me the mechanical parts of all hard drives are now exactly the same (only one manufacturing line) and only the interface electronics are different. > > - Are SCSI drives really worth the additional cost? > - Why do most servers still prefer to configure SCSI? > - If only the electronics are different, why are very high speed (10,000rpm and above) drives almost always SCSI? > - How could I arrange to use SATA drives yet get the very high reliability I need? > > > thanks! > -- > Chuck Kollars > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 31 19:18:23 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:18:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Curriculum In-Reply-To: <44294D83.9000303@maltzen.net> References: <200603281420.k2SEKXNA029979@mx3.redhat.com> <44294D83.9000303@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <442D807F.2030704@maltzen.net> One more: VisiBooks just announced some classroom training books for OOo. I saw the announcement at http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20060329104106859 Visi is at http://visibooks.com Petre Petre Scheie wrote: > FWIW, I have run into similar resistance. Solveig Haugland, author of > one of the definitive books on OOo, does have training manuals, > workbooks, etc. for use in teaching OOo classes. You can find them at > www.getopenoffice.org. They're not free, but they don't cost very much > either. > > Paul VanGundy wrote: >> All, >> >> As I walked in to work today I was approached by the computer teacher >> talking about curriculum and changing it. I asked what he was talking >> about and he had said since we have all moved to OpenOffice in our >> district there was talk of him needing to change his curriculum. He >> isn't very happy about that so I am emailing to see if anyone on this >> list would be willing to share lesson plans, curriculum or anything >> educational to help our computer teacher's out in our district. I can >> understand the frustration and am trying to help them as much as >> possible. Do any of you teach OpenOffice in your computer >> classes/district? Any and all information would be greatly >> appreciated. Thanks in advance. >> >> -Paul >> >> -- >> Paul VanGundy >> Information Technology Director >> Epping High School >> Epping Middle School >> P: 603.679.5472 >> F: 603.679.2966 >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >> Registered Linux User #398783 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 31 19:31:01 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:31:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] server hard drives: SCSI or SATA? In-Reply-To: <442D7BEF.3D359884@ckollars.org> References: <442D7BEF.3D359884@ckollars.org> Message-ID: <442D8375.4080502@mesd.k12.or.us> Chuck Kollars wrote: > The conventional wisdom used to be that SCSI was preferred for file > servers because the drives were quite a bit more reliable. BUT > somebody told me the mechanical parts of all hard drives are now > exactly the same (only one manufacturing line) and only the interface > electronics are different. IME, the real benefit of SCSI is significantly higher random I/O under load. In a RAID setup, the MTBF of individual drives is less important. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Mar 31 19:33:21 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:33:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <442C43BE.4050006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Hi Eric, OK, the tftp is up and the clients all work as k12ltsp4.x. Sound on the clients works with out making any changes to conf files. If I do recall correctly, there was a script (perl??) that rewrote the dhcpd.conf (ok, now dhcpd.k12ltsp.conf :-) that looked at the ip the server was set to and altered it accordingly. My systems have always been 192.168.1.x and this time the k12ltsp-initialize didn't make these changes. I just had to do the changes to the dhcpd.k12ltsp.conf myself. I did try the lts.conf switch LOCAL_STORAGE = Y but the usb access doesn't appear to work yet. This is just to let you know. April 4th is coming soon and with that perhaps the last shiney new changes for ltsp and a bigger wiki for the ltsp4.2. Thanks for the help and all of your efforts, Jim ---------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Harrison To: jim at linux.ca,"Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Second crack at a FC5-based build of K12LTSP Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:46:54 -0800 Jim Christiansen wrote: > 2 things- > > 1) The answer to your last email- > > [root at christiansens ~]# rpm -q --qf="%{NAME}.%{ARCH}\n" python > python.x86_64 > > on a FC5 64bit fresh install I'm burning new discs right now. I'll test this shortly... > 2) After running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize- > twice- the dhcpd.conf file is empty!! > # > # DHCP Server Configuration file. > # see /usr/share/doc/dhcp*/dhcpd.conf.sample > # > > I'll try to pop my old one in- I haven't check the lts.cong yet... > > > The new-and-improved DHCP config file is /etc/dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp This is specified in /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd: DHCPDARGS=" -cf /etc/dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp" The same magic is done with named.conf as well... (Note-to-self: I'm inconsistent between the two, I should rename /etc/dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf) -Eric From ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it Fri Mar 31 20:00:12 2006 From: ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it (antonello) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:00:12 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] booting terminal client from hd Message-ID: <442D8A4C.70804@yahoo.it> I think I must have read somewhere in this list about the possibility of installing the boot sequence on a minimal hd in the thin client, thus avoiding the use of floppies or bootable nics. Any ideas? Would you be so kind to give me the URL where I can browse the mailing-list archives as well? My hd crashed times ago and I lost almost two years messages... TIA Antonello p.s. we are almost ready to get into production a new ltsp lab in a secondary school here in Italy: you'll get news on frappr map. From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Mar 31 20:08:19 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:08:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] booting terminal client from hd Message-ID: <1143835699.26068.6.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> HI Antonello, Google for " eb_to_hd " file. this will do exactly what you are wanting to do. if you can't find it email me and ill give you our school ftp site, you can down the file from there. you will temporarily have to hook up a cd to each client machine to setup the HD from the eb_to_hd bootable cd that you will create from this file. It's very easy to use once you get the hang of the 3 steps,to setup your HD with the etherboot code to be your etherboot device. Hope this helps. Barry Cisna From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 31 20:11:18 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:11:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] booting terminal client from hd In-Reply-To: <442D8A4C.70804@yahoo.it> References: <442D8A4C.70804@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <442D8CE6.8020407@mesd.k12.or.us> antonello wrote: > I think I must have read somewhere in this list about the possibility of > installing the boot sequence on a minimal hd in the thin client, thus > avoiding the use of floppies or bootable nics. > Any ideas? You could install GRUB or LILO and use etherboot images from here: http://rom-o-matic.net > Would you be so kind to give me the URL where I can browse the > mailing-list archives as well? My hd crashed times ago and I lost almost > two years messages... Linked to via the footer of every message on the list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn click on K12OSN Archives to go here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/ -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From robark at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 20:16:06 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:16:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] booting terminal client from hd In-Reply-To: <442D8A4C.70804@yahoo.it> References: <442D8A4C.70804@yahoo.it> Message-ID: On 3/31/06, antonello wrote: > I think I must have read somewhere in this list about the possibility of > installing the boot sequence on a minimal hd in the thin client, thus > avoiding the use of floppies or bootable nics. > Any ideas? > > Would you be so kind to give me the URL where I can browse the http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ABooting%3AClient%3ALiLo > mailing-list archives as well? My hd crashed times ago and I lost almost > two years messages... that's why I use gmail -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it Fri Mar 31 20:42:30 2006 From: ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it (antonello) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:42:30 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] booting terminal client from hd In-Reply-To: <1143835699.26068.6.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1143835699.26068.6.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <442D9436.5050904@yahoo.it> Barry Cisna ha scritto: > HI Antonello, > > Google for " eb_to_hd " file. > this will do exactly what you are wanting to do. > if you can't find it email me and ill give you our school ftp site, you > can down the file from there. > you will temporarily have to hook up a cd to each client machine to > setup the HD from the eb_to_hd bootable cd that you will create from > this file. > It's very easy to use once you get the hang of the 3 steps,to setup your > HD with the etherboot code to be your etherboot device. > Hope this helps. > > Barry Cisna > > I found your thread of march 2005 in the list and it pointed me to http://etherboot.anadex.de/ is that the right thing? I downloaded the floppy image (not a CD thus). I'll test it tomorrow in the lab. thanks a million Antonello From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Mar 31 21:02:48 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:02:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Test FC5 and K12ltsp - Firefox and Mozilla unstable 32 or 64 bit installed on am Message-ID: Well, now that the FC5 and K12 test rpms have been married together my one test system is have browsers crash all over the place... The problem first showed up as soon as the clients were running. I uninstalled the 64 bit Firefox then installed the 32 bit as Eric suggested and it crashes just as well as the 64 bit versions.... This isn't just a firefox problem; Mozilla also crashes while browsing. Anyone else with this trouble? Jim From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Mar 31 21:05:46 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:05:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO wish Message-ID: Hi Eric, How difficult would it be to put together a DVD iso for the next FC5 K12LTSP?? Hoping this isn't one of those last straws thrown at a camel's back ;-) Jim From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 31 21:10:42 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:10:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Test FC5 and K12ltsp - Firefox and Mozilla unstable 32 or 64 bit installed on am In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442D9AD2.6060005@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Christiansen wrote: > Well, now that the FC5 and K12 test rpms have been married together my > one test system is have browsers crash all over the place... > > The problem first showed up as soon as the clients were running. I > uninstalled the 64 bit Firefox then installed the 32 bit as Eric > suggested and it crashes just as well as the 64 bit versions.... This > isn't just a firefox problem; Mozilla also crashes while browsing. > > Anyone else with this trouble? > > Jim > I have not seen browser stability problems in the last couple days since I upgraded my terminal server to FC5. If both Firefox and Mozilla are crashing, perhaps you have a bad plugin? The flash plugin in particular needs test latest version to work with Firefox 1.5. Run "/usr/sbin/get.flash" just to be sure you have the latest-n-greatest. typing in "about:plugins" into the browser will list what plugins you have and what version they are. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 31 21:19:43 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:19:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO wish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442D9CEF.2030708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi Eric, > > How difficult would it be to put together a DVD iso for the next FC5 > K12LTSP?? > > Hoping this isn't one of those last straws thrown at a camel's back ;-) > > Jim > Making a DVD iso is easy. The main problem has been the storage space. I have not decided if I'll make DVDs for K12LTSP 5.0, although I am currently leaning towards yes. K12linux.mesd.k12.or.us is on a new server that has quite a bit of free space, but that space goes real fast when each build takes up +20Gigs... -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 31 21:29:10 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:29:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: <200603310503.k2V53f8r024005@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200603310503.k2V53f8r024005@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <442D9F26.7060503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Roy wrote: > I couldn't remember, is this considered 4.2. The reason I ask is that I am > unable to use USB keys. LTSP 4.2 is not finished yet, the K12LTSP 5.0 test builds are using the LTSP CVS development code. Having the USB key/remote storage device support will also require modifications to the host OS (K12LTSP-land rather than LTSP-land) for it to work out-of-the-box. I'm working on that magic now. Remote storage is working on my server here at work. I can access my USB key and the CDrom in Dan's terminal both work. It requires running a couple of commands on both the terminal and on the server, it doesn't "just happen" quite yet. -Eric From ramonklown at pop.com.br Fri Mar 31 21:49:18 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:49:18 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Wireless presenter on a thin client In-Reply-To: <200603311832.AA1639514346@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <200603311832.AA1639514346@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <35716.201.8.82.54.1143841758.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Mar 31 21:12:35 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:12:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] booting terminal client from hd Message-ID: Hi Antonello, What I have done in my school is install atleast a small local linux on the computer. I and my students practically never use it but I like having it on the system. Then, I also add an etherboot option to the local computer's grub to boot to the K12 server. This is used 99.9% of the time and is the default boot option. There is a good wiki writeup on the ltsp.org webiste. Jim From roy at mpk.com Fri Mar 31 22:35:52 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:35:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP In-Reply-To: <442D9F26.7060503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200603312231.k2VMV2cR026613@mx1.redhat.com> Ok cool. I appreciate the detailed reply. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:29 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FC5 DHCP problem, was: FC5 64bit & TFTP Roy wrote: > I couldn't remember, is this considered 4.2. The reason I ask is that I am > unable to use USB keys. LTSP 4.2 is not finished yet, the K12LTSP 5.0 test builds are using the LTSP CVS development code. Having the USB key/remote storage device support will also require modifications to the host OS (K12LTSP-land rather than LTSP-land) for it to work out-of-the-box. I'm working on that magic now. Remote storage is working on my server here at work. I can access my USB key and the CDrom in Dan's terminal both work. It requires running a couple of commands on both the terminal and on the server, it doesn't "just happen" quite yet. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From roy at mpk.com Fri Mar 31 22:35:52 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:35:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Test FC5 and K12ltsp - Firefox and Mozilla unstable32 or 64 bit installed on am In-Reply-To: <442D9AD2.6060005@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200603312231.k2VMV2cQ026613@mx1.redhat.com> I've had no trouble with FC5 64bit browsers on clients and my kids have been hammering at it since last night. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:11 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Test FC5 and K12ltsp - Firefox and Mozilla unstable32 or 64 bit installed on am Jim Christiansen wrote: > Well, now that the FC5 and K12 test rpms have been married together my > one test system is have browsers crash all over the place... > > The problem first showed up as soon as the clients were running. I > uninstalled the 64 bit Firefox then installed the 32 bit as Eric > suggested and it crashes just as well as the 64 bit versions.... This > isn't just a firefox problem; Mozilla also crashes while browsing. > > Anyone else with this trouble? > > Jim > I have not seen browser stability problems in the last couple days since I upgraded my terminal server to FC5. If both Firefox and Mozilla are crashing, perhaps you have a bad plugin? The flash plugin in particular needs test latest version to work with Firefox 1.5. Run "/usr/sbin/get.flash" just to be sure you have the latest-n-greatest. typing in "about:plugins" into the browser will list what plugins you have and what version they are. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From piritarodo at hotmail.com Fri Mar 31 22:31:53 2006 From: piritarodo at hotmail.com (Alejandro Mel) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:31:53 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet cafe Message-ID: hello everybody.... Iam planing to set an internet cafe entire with LTSP... but I have some doubts At first I deceided to buy a 24 port + 2 gigabit switch but ir is very expensive here... so I found that I can set a BRIDGE with for example 3/4 good 3com cards... with same ip..... so I can divide the server bandwith and connect to each nic a 8 port 100mbit switch.... waht do you think about it???? What about the soft for monitoring the terminals..... I saw Symbiont Suite, but is not GPL/GNU another free option??? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Amor: busca tu ? naranja http://latam.msn.com/amor/ From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 23:44:51 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:44:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Finding lost directory In-Reply-To: <200603310833.00660.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <442CA8C4.3020703@orcon.net.nz> <200603310833.00660.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <2be970b50603311544r58aeec12t9a3cd5fcc1273212@mail.gmail.com> You might also read this article for some background and tips. http://linux.sys-con.com/read/117909.htm HTH, John On 3/31/06, Martin Woolley wrote: > On Friday 31 Mar 2006 03:57, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > HELP! > > A very important directory has disappeared from our server, (with our > > student database). Is there anyway of looking for files that have been > > accidentally moved/deleted etc? > > Do you have a backup? If so recover from it. If not, I fear it is too late. > It IS possible to recover deleted files following the instructions at > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/browse_thread/thread/89854392c7ddba14/f5c731a28f009db8 > and I have done in on a couple of occasions. However, the sucess of recovery > is directly related to how much has changed on the filesystem. You need to > unmount is as soon as the file has been deleted, unless you have a very quiet > box and servers are rarely inactive. > > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. 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