From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon May 1 05:24:18 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Next Release In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Andrae Findlator wrote: > When is the next k12ltsp release date? There is no firm date, it will be released once we have finished removing the show-stopping bugs. Probably pretty soon, give or take a little while ;-) I'll have a new beta build ready in the next day or two. > Can accsnmp (printer page tracking) be a part of the package? > This will not be part of K12LTSP 5.0.0. Given enough demand, it might be added to a later release. -Eric From william at fragakis.com Mon May 1 13:18:48 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:18:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0beta software changes Message-ID: <1146489528.24048.27.camel@server.ltsp> Hi, I've been playing with the beta and have come across a few "issues": 1) Did I miss something or is TuxPaint no longer a default install? It is highly used at our school if that matters. 2) Many of the programs that go full screen (eg Childsplay, GCompris) go out of the resolution range of a 1024 x 768 lcd - haven't tested it on something larger. It can be hacked to run in windowed mode but these programs ran in full screen well in 4.4.x. They run fine on a crt, though. 3) The Fedora updates kill all sorts of things - I ran yum extender last night and had the infamous grey screen X for the first time. It rewrote the kdmrc and xdm-config files. Should I just stick to updating from the k12 site? All the hard work is much appreciated. We may have some very good news in the next couple of days from this neck of the woods regarding K12LTSP which will demonstrate what an impact this effort has on education. We originally adopted K12LTSP to solve some technical issues not realizing the most profound impact would be how completely the teachers would integrate technology into their daily curriculum. Regards, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com From petre at maltzen.net Mon May 1 14:25:32 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:25:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44561A5C.6040105@maltzen.net> For K12LTSP, you can find the version in /etc/k12ltsp-release. Petre JohnG wrote: > I've installed K12LTSP 5 beta 4 and it works great. I also installed > LTSP-4.2 as per the instructions and everything seems to be working fine. > > Probably silly newbie questions, but how can I tell which version(s) is > installed on an LTSP server? Also how can I tell which version a client > is running? Is there something to look for when it's booting up? Which > version did beta 4 have? > > Thanks in advance! > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces redhat com [mailto:k12osn-bounces redhat com] On Behalf > Of Jim McQuillan > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:20 AM > To: ltsp-discuss lists sourceforge net; ltsp-announce lists sourceforge net; > Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Updates now available for LTSP-4.2 > > The following updates are now available: > > o ltspcfg version 0.16 (part of ltsp-utils-0.25) > - Added the proper location for the kdmrc file for > Kubuntu-breezy. > - Added 'ddns-update-style' line in dhcpd.conf.sample, for FC5. > - Fixed configuration of kdm and gdm for many distros, including > Ubuntu Breezy & Dapper and Fedora Core 5. > - Fixed 'Enable' detection of Xdmcp for kdm. > > o vidlist > - Added several i810 entries for proper auto-detection of > i810 chipsets. > - Added several nv entries for proper auto-detection of > nvidia chipsets. > > o startx > - Changed behaviour of the 'XRAMPERC' option to default > to 100. Also, if it is set to 100, then it won't do > the 'ulimit' command. This was causing problems with > i810 chipsets on 64mb or lower machines. > > o Linux kernel 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 > - Added sis7019 audio driver. > - Removed savage framebuffer driver. This caused problems > for Xorg. > - Fixed problem with booting the kernel on Jammin-125 > workstations. > > > If you are interested in installing these updates, you should first > install the > newest ltsp-utils package, availabe at: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 > > Then, run 'ltspadmin' and choose the updated packages you wish to install. > > Enjoy the updates. Scott Balneaves and I are heading down to Brazil > later today, to speak at FISL-7.0 in Porto Alegre. > > http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/?q=en > > Ciao, > > Jim McQuillan > jam Ltsp org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN redhat com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Mon May 1 14:42:46 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:42:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0beta software changes In-Reply-To: <1146489528.24048.27.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1146489528.24048.27.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <44561E66.9050105@maltzen.net> William Fragakis wrote: > Hi, > I've been playing with the beta and have come across a few "issues": > 1) Did I miss something or is TuxPaint no longer a default install? It > is highly used at our school if that matters. On my beta1 installation, tuxpaint-config and tuxpaing-stamps were installed, but the tuxpaint package itself was missing. A 'yum install tuxpaint' fixed it, but the fact that it wasn't installed by default is a bug I think. > > All the hard work is much appreciated. We may have some very good news > in the next couple of days from this neck of the woods regarding K12LTSP > which will demonstrate what an impact this effort has on education. We > originally adopted K12LTSP to solve some technical issues not realizing > the most profound impact would be how completely the teachers would > integrate technology into their daily curriculum. > I'd REALLY like to hear about this! Petre From ed at edplese.com Mon May 1 17:59:30 2006 From: ed at edplese.com (Ed Plese) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:59:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NWEA Testing with K12LTSP and/or MS Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060501175930.GA14633@orion.universe> On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 10:23:18AM -0400, David Trask wrote: > Anyone out there doing NWEA Testing with K12LTSP (linux) and/or MS > Terminal Server 2003. Our district is looking at using the NWEA and > unfortunately (actually fortunately) all I have in my lab is K12LTSP > terminals, but they do have the ability to connect to the Windows Terminal > Server. Anyone with any experience doing this? I just tested the NWEA client on a MS 2003 Terminal Server and it seems to run just fine. The client is actually quite nice to deal with since you can just run it from a network share and don't actually have to install it on every PC. Another post in this thread asked about needing sound for NWEA and as far as I know, none of the NWEA tests utilize sound at all. I did a quick test of it under Wine and it seems to work fine too. The text shows up as boxes in a couple unimportant areas, but other than that it works fine. Ed Plese From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon May 1 18:40:51 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:40:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: KOHA ILS Message-ID: <200605011911.k41JBEpC025786@mx3.redhat.com> All, Has anyone on this list installed Koha before? More specifically on Ubuntu or Red Hat? We are looking at using Koha for our online library database but we are finding almost no support for installation or maintaining. 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URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon May 1 20:00:52 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 15:00:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how to create etherboot CD In-Reply-To: <1139602515.31143.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <43ECACD7.2010902@maltzen.net> <43ECE8FF.8050309@maltzen.net> <1139602515.31143.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1146513651.4205.72.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 14:15, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > I hacked someone else's CD image, don't remember the exact details (it > > > is in the archives...). > > > > > > Give this a spin: > > > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/eb_pci.iso > > > > > > -Eric > > > > Well, that works a bit better than my CDs: FreeDOS seems to load, and I get the screen > > full of dots (is this the tftp stage?), ending in 'done'. But then the next line says > > 'Issuing RESET:' and it just hangs there. > > That one works for me in an old Capuccino mini-book PC. The dots > should be the tftp part and after the 'done' you should get > something like > mknbi-1.4.0/first32.c (GPP) > Top of ramdisk is 0X07EE0000. > Revisiting this topic: this disk seems to no longer work with the 5.0.0 beta. The mini-book might be related to the i810 problem others have mentioned, but it is also failing in a Dell Optiplex gx1 that will boot with either PXE or an etherboot floppy from the 5.0.0 server. It appears to load the kernel, probes a few things and stops at: Using IPI Shortcut mode RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(1,0) -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon May 1 20:17:57 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:17:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problems Message-ID: Since the totem player in K12LTSP 4.4.1 doesn't work I uninstalled it and then went to the gnome page to find out how to install it so it will work. The gnome page said to use yum install totem-gstreamer. When yum gets down to looking for totem-gstreamer I get the following: No Match for argument: totem-gstreamer I have tried taking the gstreamer part off and that gets me the same old non functioning situation. Any suggestions to cure this critter would be appreciated Thanks, Pat From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon May 1 22:16:55 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 15:16:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0beta software changes In-Reply-To: <1146489528.24048.27.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1146489528.24048.27.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <445688D7.9020605@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> William Fragakis wrote: > Hi, > I've been playing with the beta and have come across a few "issues": > 1) Did I miss something or is TuxPaint no longer a default install? It > is highly used at our school if that matters. I believe this was already fixed. I'll check again on my next test install. > 2) Many of the programs that go full screen (eg Childsplay, GCompris) go > out of the resolution range of a 1024 x 768 lcd - haven't tested it on > something larger. It can be hacked to run in windowed mode but these > programs ran in full screen well in 4.4.x. They run fine on a crt, > though. I'll add testing this to my todo list. > 3) The Fedora updates kill all sorts of things - I ran yum extender last > night and had the infamous grey screen X for the first time. It rewrote > the kdmrc and xdm-config files. The KDE packages were just updated. The new GNOME (gdm) configuration is resilient to upgrades, but KDE (kdm) still appears to run the risk of having its configuration replaced. If you run into a problem with KDM, running this script should fix it: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/kdmrc-update.pl > Should I just stick to updating from the k12 site? The k12ltsp repo contains all of the packages from core & updates, so restricting yum/yumex to just the k12ltsp repo does not change much. > All the hard work is much appreciated. We may have some very good news > in the next couple of days from this neck of the woods regarding K12LTSP > which will demonstrate what an impact this effort has on education. We > originally adopted K12LTSP to solve some technical issues not realizing > the most profound impact would be how completely the teachers would > integrate technology into their daily curriculum. I can't wait to hear about it ;-) -Eric From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon May 1 23:23:33 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: KOHA ILS In-Reply-To: <200605011911.k41JBEpC025786@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605011911.k41JBEpC025786@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <35927.70.58.177.105.1146525813.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > Has anyone on this list installed Koha before? More specifically on Ubuntu > or Red Hat? We are looking at using Koha for our online library database > but > we are finding almost no support for installation or maintaining. Thanks > in > advance. We are using it experimentally for our alternative HS library. It is running on a Gentoo machine, however. What problem are you having specifically? As I recall, I just followed the instructions on the website to get it up and running. -- -Regards- Quentin Hartman Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon V (541)767-3778 F (541)767-3041 www.slane.k12.or.us From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon May 1 23:45:43 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 19:45:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: KOHA ILS In-Reply-To: <35927.70.58.177.105.1146525813.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> References: <200605011911.k41JBEpC025786@mx3.redhat.com> <35927.70.58.177.105.1146525813.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <464c38cc0605011645u4cab1a82k95a8fcd68121c33@mail.gmail.com> I installed it once on a Mepis box. As Quentin said, I pretty much just followed the directions and had no trouble. I didn't really put that much on the system for records, but it looked pretty cool to me. Tim On 5/1/06, Quentin Hartman wrote: > > Paul VanGundy wrote: > > All, > > > > Has anyone on this list installed Koha before? More specifically on Ubuntu > > or Red Hat? We are looking at using Koha for our online library database > > but > > we are finding almost no support for installation or maintaining. Thanks > > in > > advance. > > We are using it experimentally for our alternative HS library. It is > running on a Gentoo machine, however. What problem are you having > specifically? As I recall, I just followed the instructions on the website > to get it up and running. > > -- > -Regards- > > Quentin Hartman > Technology Coordinator > South Lane School District > Cottage Grove, Oregon > V (541)767-3778 > F (541)767-3041 > www.slane.k12.or.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dackerman at apnts.org Mon May 1 23:53:08 2006 From: dackerman at apnts.org (David Ackerman) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 07:53:08 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: KOHA ILS In-Reply-To: <200605011911.k41JBEpC025786@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001001c66d7a$69d80400$fa00a8c0@DAGATEWAY> Paul, We use Koha on Ubuntu 5.04 for our OPAC. I've embedded it into my own design. It works well if the database is setup right. Installing Koha was one of the first things I ever did with linux and so I struggled for several weeks (now I could do it real quick). The websites will provide good help. What I recall were some problems: 1. Get all modules installed (these will be listed on install) 2. Getting the ports right (8000 and 8080) 3. Getting mysql set up right 4. Getting file permissions right After I got it installed, the biggest problem I had was with the MARC records. This is what libraries use to catalog books, and since I am not a librarian, here was another learning curve. Our library uses Athena for circulation, but we cannot afford to purchase the internet module, so I export the database from Athena, modify a few records with Marcedit, and then import to Koha. The most difficult part is getting the MARC and Koha database to work how you want. We do not use the circulation part of Koha because Athena does that, but we could use it to barcode, circulation, reserve, etc. If you want to see our finished product, go to http://learn.apnts.com.ph:8000 . As far as maintenance, I just import fresh records every month or two. There are some nice features I have not figured out, mostly having to do with importing cataloging records from the internet (called z something or other), but a true librarian could probably figure it out. There are other programs out there (Openbiblio is one), but in my limited experience and knowledge I found Koha the best and most flexible. I could look up the websites I used if you would like these, but a Google search will be adequate. There were a couple I found really useful. David Ackerman Asia-Pacific Nazarene Theological Seminary Philippines _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul VanGundy Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:41 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: [K12OSN] OT: KOHA ILS All, Has anyone on this list installed Koha before? More specifically on Ubuntu or Red Hat? We are looking at using Koha for our online library database but we are finding almost no support for installation or maintaining. Thanks in advance. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 2 01:28:51 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Fix for i810 terminals on LTSP 4.2/K12LTSP 5.0 beta Message-ID: I built new ltsp_i386 packages for K12LTSP 5.0 to test out a fix for i810-based terminals that were not working. It works for me, hopefully it will work for you ;-) I added the packages to the 5.0 beta repositories, just run "yum update" to install them. With any luck, I'll have new 5.0 beta ISOs out later tonight. -Eric From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue May 2 14:32:51 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 09:32:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problems Message-ID: <47383.172.28.8.56.1146580371.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hi Pat, It is able to get the native totem player to actually work. You have to add about 3-4 gstreamer add ons in order for it to do anything. If you like email me offlist and Ill give you our ftp site were you can down the rpms, to install for totem to work, We actually use Xine & Mplayer here at school, to play video streams etc. what build of K12LTSP are you on? Hope this helps a little. Barry Cisna From robert.pogson at gmail.com Tue May 2 17:51:56 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 11:51:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple heads... Message-ID: <1146592316.26018.36.camel@beast> I am cheap. I am looking at NTAVO 6010P terminals booting PXE. With LTSP 4.2, it is easy to set up two virtual terminals for logins. So far, I have only PS/2 mouse and keyboard working with one monitor. I expect I will be able to use a second keyboard and mouse by USB and a second monitor by an available PCI slot. Has anyone done this? There is plenty of CPU power and 128 MB RAM. The box of the 6010P uses less than 20 watts but has two fans, one on the CPU and one on the power supply/case. I suspect the fans are only useful if a hot video card and hard drive is added. Does anyone run these fanless? I blocked the case fan and had only a 3 degree rise in temperatures. I cannot seem to find tech specs. Robert Pogson http://www.skyweb.ca/~alicia/LTSP.pdf -- A problem is an opportunity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There is plenty of CPU power and > 128 MB RAM. > > The box of the 6010P uses less than 20 watts but has two fans, one on the > CPU and one on the power supply/case. I suspect the fans are only useful if > a hot video card and hard drive is added. Does anyone run these fanless? I > blocked the case fan and had only a 3 degree rise in temperatures. I cannot > seem to find tech specs. > > Robert Pogson > http://www.skyweb.ca/~alicia/LTSP.pdf > > -- > A problem is an opportunity. > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBEV5w8pCvFxuIOxAURAuI2AJwPgpaSu6Xq4QSz9Uxe0GYhVPi0fwCcDqA0 > sw1S8fu4zErs2Fg35byXGNU= > =28KG > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Tue May 2 17:14:40 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 13:14:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple heads... In-Reply-To: <1146592316.26018.36.camel@beast> References: <1146592316.26018.36.camel@beast> Message-ID: <44579380.9040504@McQuil.com> pogson wrote: > I am cheap. I am looking at NTAVO 6010P terminals booting PXE. With > LTSP 4.2, it is easy to set up two virtual terminals for logins. So > far, I have only PS/2 mouse and keyboard working with one monitor. I > expect I will be able to use a second keyboard and mouse by USB and a > second monitor by an available PCI slot. Has anyone done this? There > is plenty of CPU power and 128 MB RAM. This is not something that LTSP has support for. There are various solutions out there, to allow you to connect multiple keyboards, mice and monitors to a single box, but none of those methods are integrated into LTSP. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > The box of the 6010P uses less than 20 watts but has two fans, one on > the CPU and one on the power supply/case. I suspect the fans are only > useful if a hot video card and hard drive is added. Does anyone run > these fanless? I blocked the case fan and had only a 3 degree rise in > temperatures. I cannot seem to find tech specs. > > Robert Pogson > http://www.skyweb.ca/~alicia/LTSP.pdf > > -- > A problem is an opportunity. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue May 2 21:53:33 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:53:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fix for i810 terminals on LTSP 4.2/K12LTSP 5.0 beta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4457D4DD.3030205@saskforestcentre.ca> Eric Harrison wrote: > > I built new ltsp_i386 packages for K12LTSP 5.0 to test out a fix for > i810-based terminals that were not working. It works for me, hopefully > it will work for you ;-) After my RPM DB problems and all, I ended up reinstalling my Beta5 machine, because it wasn't doing updates. I just reinstalled, more or less the defaults, did a yum upgrade, and up pops my i810 terminal. Thanks, Eric. It works. Angus Carr. From robark at gmail.com Tue May 2 23:45:25 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:45:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Need script help for fl_teachertool Message-ID: I can find the ip of a client I am sitting at with cat /etc/hosts | grep `echo $DISPLAY | cut -d: -f1` | cut -f1 problem is if I run this command from the server I get Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... Try `grep --help' for more information. What I want is 192.168.0.254 Any ideas? -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 3 00:45:19 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 17:45:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #5 Message-ID: <4457FD1F.5060003@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #5 has been uploaded. This includes another huge set of updates. A preliminary fix for i810-based terminals is included, they should work out-of-the-box now. Let us know if you are still having problems! Gcompris was just added to Fedora Extras, this now replaces K12LTSP-maintained Gcompris packages. Many of the package names have been changed, but it will upgrade cleanly. The "lock screen" feature of fl_teachertool works again. squidGuard is once again installed by default. The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta installed you can simply run "yum update". Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . -Eric From robark at gmail.com Wed May 3 01:44:15 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:44:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Need script help for fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/2/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I can find the ip of a client I am sitting at with > > cat /etc/hosts | grep `echo $DISPLAY | cut -d: -f1` | cut -f1 > > problem is if I run this command from the server I get > > Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... > Try `grep --help' for more information. Found a solution. cat /etc/hosts | grep -w `echo $DISPLAY | sed -e 's/:/ /g' | awk '{print $1}'` | cut -f1 which returns 127.0.0.1 and that works in my code. I'm wondering are the client hostnames of ws253.ltsp ws252.ltsp ws251.ltsp etc... always 192.168.0.253 192.168.0.252 192.168.0.251 etc... if they always match like this then I don't need to look in /etc/hosts -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 3 01:47:21 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Need script help for fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 May 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I can find the ip of a client I am sitting at with > > cat /etc/hosts | grep `echo $DISPLAY | cut -d: -f1` | cut -f1 > > problem is if I run this command from the server I get > > Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... > Try `grep --help' for more information. > > What I want is 192.168.0.254 > > Any ideas? You are probably testing this while logged directly into the server, as opposed to from a terminal. From the console, the DISPLAY will be ":0.0" If you run that through "cut -d: -f1", you'll get an empty line "" which will cause grep to return the help message you see. Try running the commands one by one: echo $DISPLAY echo $DISPLAY | cut -d: -f1 -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 3 02:33:40 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Need script help for fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 May 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 5/2/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> I can find the ip of a client I am sitting at with >> >> cat /etc/hosts | grep `echo $DISPLAY | cut -d: -f1` | cut -f1 >> >> problem is if I run this command from the server I get >> >> Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... >> Try `grep --help' for more information. > > Found a solution. > > cat /etc/hosts | grep -w `echo $DISPLAY | sed -e 's/:/ /g' | awk > '{print $1}'` | cut -f1 > > which returns 127.0.0.1 and that works in my code. Same problem as the earlier code, just by luck it happens to give the answer you were expecting (took me a little while to figure out why ;-) If you run the sub command (echo $DISPLAY |sed -e 's/:/ /g'|awk '{print $1}') by itself, you'll see that the output is "0.0". "0.0" just happens to match "127.0.0.1", even when you use the "-w" with grep: # echo 127.0.0.1 | grep -w 0.0 127.0.0.1 The trick is that grep considers "." as a "non-word constituent character". Note the last sentence from that section of the grep man page: -w, --word-regexp Select only those lines containing matches that form whole words. The test is that the matching substring must either be at the beginning of the line, or preceded by a non-word con- stituent character. Similarly, it must be either at the end of the line or followed by a non-word constituent character. Word- constituent characters are letters, digits, and the underscore. Thus anything with ".0.0." in it will match "0.0". This should work better for you: getent hosts | grep ^`echo $DISPLAY | sed -e 's/:/ /g'\ | awk '{print $1}'` | cut -f1 BUT, this is all very convoluted. It has the feeling of approaching a problem in the wrong way. What is the context of what you are working on? There may be a cleaner solution. > I'm wondering are the client hostnames of > > ws253.ltsp > ws252.ltsp > ws251.ltsp > etc... > > always > > 192.168.0.253 > 192.168.0.252 > 192.168.0.251 > etc... Those are just the defaults, they can be changed. -Eric From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Wed May 3 08:03:19 2006 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 03:03:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] performance issues Message-ID: <445863C7.6070204@stmaurice.mb.ca> I have a dual zeon 3.06 GHz server, currently with 4 80 Gb SATA drives connected to a MegaRaid 4 port raid controller set for raid 0. I have currently 2 Gb of RAM. Workstations are almost exclusively IBM 300PLs which are thin clients, onboard video, sound, nic, etc They are a little slow when 30+ workstations all load StarOffice 7 at the same time, or when they log out. I am planning on upgrading memory from 2 to 4 Gb, and increase the backbone to Gb, but this upgrade will most likely not happen till summer. In the mean time, is there anything I can do to increase performance? Non of the workstations have hard drives, and their memory is 96 Mb each. I have tried enabling swapfiles with not much perceivable difference. What is the deal with running apps locally? And how do I/Can I do it? Enquiring minds want to know. Thanks From robark at gmail.com Wed May 3 03:39:06 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:39:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Need script help for fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/2/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > Thus anything with ".0.0." in it will match "0.0". > > > This should work better for you: > > getent hosts | grep ^`echo $DISPLAY | sed -e 's/:/ /g'\ | awk '{print $1}'` | cut -f1 Thanks Eric, interesting and clear explanation. But sitting at the server this returns nothing. I need something. 127.0.0.1 works for me. Explained below. > > > BUT, this is all very convoluted. It has the feeling of approaching a problem > in the wrong way. What is the context of what you are working on? There may > be a cleaner solution. thanks to you and Jim giving me tips at LinuxFest I was able to speed up fl_teachertool amazingly. It's FAST now :) Using the -n like you suggested netstat -t -e -n | grep :6000 | sed -e 's/:/ /g' | awk '{print $9,$6}' | sort | uniq works perfect and like lightning compared to having a dns lookup for every line of output. So now I have ip's instead of hostnames of all clients. This is fine BUT I use the $DISPLAY env variable to omit the terminal machine a teacher (running fl_TT) is sitting at (for obvious reasons like logging yourself out) So I have to omit the teacher terminal by omitting the ip which matches the $DISPLAY. That's why 127.0.0.1 works. Since none of the terminals have this ip none are omitted (which is what I want when someone runs fl_TT from the server). This line cat /etc/hosts | grep `echo $DISPLAY | cut -d: -f1` | cut -f1 works when running fl_TT on a terminal but not properly if the teacher runs fl_TT on the server (as you noticed) Long story short. Basically I just need fl_teachertool to figure out the ip of the terminal which it's running on and if running on the server it needs to give me an ip which none of the terminals would have eg. 192.168.0.254 or 127.0.0.1 so no match to omit is found. The only method of determining the ip of the terminals I know of is to get the $DISPLAY var and find it's corresponding ip in /etc/hosts (since I can't assume ws222.ltsp is 192.168.0.222). If you know an easier way I'd love to hear it. Hope this is not as clear as mud. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Wed May 3 03:48:24 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:48:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] performance issues In-Reply-To: <445863C7.6070204@stmaurice.mb.ca> References: <445863C7.6070204@stmaurice.mb.ca> Message-ID: On 5/3/06, Liam Marshall wrote: > I have a dual zeon 3.06 GHz server, currently with 4 80 Gb SATA drives > connected to a MegaRaid 4 port raid controller set for raid 0. I have > currently 2 Gb of RAM. > > Workstations are almost exclusively IBM 300PLs which are thin clients, > onboard video, sound, nic, etc > > They are a little slow when 30+ workstations all load StarOffice 7 at > the same time, or when they log out. Can't do much to speed up 30+ students all starting OOo at the SAME time. It's going to be slow on pretty much any server. The trick is to get the students to start OOo at slightly different times. Like "okay this half of the class start now" then 1 min later "now the rest of you". Once the app is launched the load drops way down. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robert.pogson at gmail.com Wed May 3 04:00:20 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (robert pogson) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 22:00:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple heads... Message-ID: <6e87faa70605022100n7481ea5cs79876c130cf497f@mail.gmail.com> Thank you, John for your kind words. I found a PCI video card laying around but the box would not boot with it plugged in. Apparently it is a dud. I will have to buy one to try. I did manage to get two login screens showing at once from different VTs and I can login in two users at once, one on each VT, but they use the same mouse and keyboard acting on the screen being displayed. I may have to make up my own XF86Config to define the two "screens". This is a big effort for one client, but I hope to equip a whole school with approximately 100 simultaneous users so this would cut the number of thin client machines by 50, perhaps saving $10000 that we can spend on the server or peripherals. GNU/LInux/LTSP/K12LTSP just lets us put the money in the right places. Besides, it is fun. ;-) John wrote: "Nice piece on LTSP and rationals for using FOSS." Jim McQuillan wrote: "This is not something that LTSP has support for. There are various solutions out there, to allow you to connect multiple keyboards, mice and monitors to a single box, but none of those methods are integrated into LTSP. Jim McQuillan jam Ltsp org" -- Robert Pogson Have server, will travel... From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 3 04:38:53 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Need script help for fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 May 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 5/2/06, Eric Harrison wrote: >> Thus anything with ".0.0." in it will match "0.0". >> >> >> This should work better for you: >> >> getent hosts | grep ^`echo $DISPLAY | sed -e 's/:/ /g'\ | awk >> '{print $1}'` | cut -f1 > > Thanks Eric, interesting and clear explanation. But sitting at the > server this returns nothing. I need something. 127.0.0.1 works for me. > Explained below. It is supposed to return nothing, since returning "127.0.0.1" happened to be a bug ;-) How about running the command and checking to see if there was a value returned. If not, they are logged into the server so you should use the IP addresses of the server? # /sbin/ifconfig | grep "inet addr:" | cut -d: -f2 | cut -d" " -f1 192.168.0.254 10.10.100.3 127.0.0.1 -Eric >> >> BUT, this is all very convoluted. It has the feeling of approaching a >> problem >> in the wrong way. What is the context of what you are working on? There may >> be a cleaner solution. > > thanks to you and Jim giving me tips at LinuxFest I was able to speed > up fl_teachertool amazingly. It's FAST now :) > Using the -n like you suggested > > netstat -t -e -n | grep :6000 | sed -e 's/:/ /g' | awk '{print $9,$6}' > | sort | uniq > > works perfect and like lightning compared to having a dns lookup for > every line of output. So now I have ip's instead of hostnames of all > clients. This is fine BUT I use the $DISPLAY env variable to omit the > terminal machine a teacher (running fl_TT) is sitting at (for obvious > reasons like logging yourself out) So I have to omit the teacher > terminal by omitting the ip which matches the $DISPLAY. That's why > 127.0.0.1 works. Since none of the terminals have this ip none are > omitted (which is what I want when someone runs fl_TT from the > server). > This line > > cat /etc/hosts | grep `echo $DISPLAY | cut -d: -f1` | cut -f1 > > works when running fl_TT on a terminal but not properly if the teacher > runs fl_TT on the server (as you noticed) > > Long story short. Basically I just need fl_teachertool to figure out > the ip of the terminal which it's running on and if running on the > server it needs to give me an ip which none of the terminals would > have eg. 192.168.0.254 or 127.0.0.1 so no match to omit is found. The > only method of determining the ip of the terminals I know of is to get > the $DISPLAY var and find it's corresponding ip in /etc/hosts (since I > can't assume ws222.ltsp is 192.168.0.222). If you know an easier way > I'd love to hear it. > > Hope this is not as clear as mud. > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Wed May 3 06:06:33 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:06:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Need script help for fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/2/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > It is supposed to return nothing, since returning "127.0.0.1" happened to > be a bug ;-) > > How about running the command and checking to see if there was a value > returned. If not, they are logged into the server so you should use the > IP addresses of the server? Hmmm. Sounds simple enough. I'll give it a shot tomorrow and let you know how it goes. Night. > > # /sbin/ifconfig | grep "inet addr:" | cut -d: -f2 | cut -d" " -f1 > 192.168.0.254 > 10.10.100.3 > 127.0.0.1 -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From sbarar at gmail.com Wed May 3 06:23:20 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:53:20 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] performance issues In-Reply-To: References: <445863C7.6070204@stmaurice.mb.ca> Message-ID: <774593a20605022323u452428b4s10d437a0ae4e4c61@mail.gmail.com> On 03/05/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 5/3/06, Liam Marshall wrote: > > I have a dual zeon 3.06 GHz server, currently with 4 80 Gb SATA drives > > connected to a MegaRaid 4 port raid controller set for raid 0. I have > > currently 2 Gb of RAM. > > > > Workstations are almost exclusively IBM 300PLs which are thin clients, > > onboard video, sound, nic, etc > > > > They are a little slow when 30+ workstations all load StarOffice 7 at > > the same time, or when they log out. > > Can't do much to speed up 30+ students all starting OOo at the SAME > time. It's going to be slow on pretty much any server. [SNIP] IMHO likely bottleneck is SATA drive. Is the /tmp also on RAID0? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed May 3 10:18:27 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 06:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Need script help for fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38371.70.33.151.214.1146651507.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> robert:beautiful job on tt..trying it out today..chuck > On 5/2/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> I can find the ip of a client I am sitting at with >> >> cat /etc/hosts | grep `echo $DISPLAY | cut -d: -f1` | cut -f1 >> >> problem is if I run this command from the server I get >> >> Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... >> Try `grep --help' for more information. > > Found a solution. > > cat /etc/hosts | grep -w `echo $DISPLAY | sed -e 's/:/ /g' | awk > '{print $1}'` | cut -f1 > > which returns 127.0.0.1 and that works in my code. > > I'm wondering are the client hostnames of > > ws253.ltsp > ws252.ltsp > ws251.ltsp > etc... > > always > > 192.168.0.253 > 192.168.0.252 > 192.168.0.251 > etc... > > if they always match like this then I don't need to look in /etc/hosts > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ramonklown at pop.com.br Wed May 3 12:11:12 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:11:12 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Need script help for fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10111.200.222.204.108.1146658272.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed May 3 13:22:42 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:22:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Need script help for fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 9:44 PM +0000 wrote: >Found a solution. > >cat /etc/hosts | grep -w `echo $DISPLAY | sed -e 's/:/ /g' | awk >'{print $1}'` | cut -f1 > >which returns 127.0.0.1 and that works in my code. > >I'm wondering are the client hostnames of > >ws253.ltsp >ws252.ltsp >ws251.ltsp >etc... > >always > >192.168.0.253 >192.168.0.252 >192.168.0.251 >etc... > >if they always match like this then I don't need to look in /etc/hosts One of the problems becomes this....if anyone has set up their range to go beyond 255 then the numbers do increase, but do not revert back to zero....for example.....I use the 10.0.x.x range....so 10.0.0.1 would be ws001.ltsp BUT...10.0.1.0 would be ws256.ltsp and 10.0.1.1 would be ws257.ltsp....etc. This is especially true with those of us who use our K12LTSP servers in single NIC mode and use them as the DHCP servers for our networks. Just a heads up to give you something to consider as you continue along with fl_teachertool . (I'm loving the latest fl_teachertool....can't wait to see what's next!) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From trond at maehlum.net Wed May 3 13:32:24 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:32:24 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool and vnc in ltsp4.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4458B0E8.5050306@maehlum.net> Is there any hope of getting the vnc-module to work in ltsp4.2? We use LTSP4.1 with the "hack" of copying vnc.so into /opt/ltsp... the way it's documented on Robert's site. We tried this hack in LTSP4.2, but it does not work. We use the "Remote control" function every day. For us this is now a major showstopper for upgrading to LTSP4.2, which is too bad because of the new improvements... Is there hope? Best Regards Trond Maehlum From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 3 14:14:09 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:14:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question Message-ID: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> I have been trying to get more familiar with DSL for repairing infested Windows machines and as a mobile Linux desktop. The main problem I have been having at this point is that all drives that I mount via the mount tool end up being "read only filesystems". External USB hard drives and thumb drives, and the most important, the local Windows drive. I have searched google and I can find no help. What I want to do most is be able to modify the files on the Windows FAT32 or NTFS drive. Does anyone have any suggestions? Even the right syntax to mount the filesystems via command as su would be helpful. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From swift at msad52.org Wed May 3 14:21:27 2006 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 10:21:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] User accounts failing login from ldap/samba server to k12ltsp Message-ID: I have been having some login problems to my k12ltsp network. Let me explain my setup. Samba/LDAP server doing all authenticating (windows computers as well as k12ltsp). The problem is that some students cannot log into k12ltsp but they can log into a windows machine. This has been affecting students sporadically. One day a student can log in fine and then the next day it will not log them on to k12ltsp but will on a windows machine. This has been happening all year but is getting worse now. Some things I have tried: Reset their password (made no difference) Chown their home directory (occasionally this would work) Any Ideas? Why might this be happening? Thanks for the help Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From jam at mcquil.com Wed May 3 14:17:56 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool and vnc in ltsp4.2 In-Reply-To: <4458B0E8.5050306@maehlum.net> References: <4458B0E8.5050306@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Trond, what is the 'vnc-module'? Is it an Xorg thing, or a vnc thing? Give me some pointers, and I'll see if I can integrate it into an update for LTSP-4.2. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, May 3, 2006 9:32 am, Trond M?hlum wrote: > Is there any hope of getting the vnc-module to work in ltsp4.2? We use > LTSP4.1 with the "hack" of copying vnc.so into /opt/ltsp... the way it's > documented on Robert's site. > > We tried this hack in LTSP4.2, but it does not work. We use the "Remote > control" function every day. For us this is now a major showstopper for > upgrading to LTSP4.2, which is too bad because of the new > improvements... Is there hope? > > Best Regards > Trond Maehlum > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed May 3 14:23:29 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:23:29 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> References: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4458BCE1.2050904@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I have been trying to get more familiar with DSL for repairing infested > Windows machines and as a mobile Linux desktop. The main problem I have been > having at this point is that all drives that I mount via the mount tool end up > being "read only filesystems". External USB hard drives and thumb drives, and > the most important, the local Windows drive. I have searched google and I can > find no help. What I want to do most is be able to modify the files on the > Windows FAT32 or NTFS drive. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? Even the right syntax to mount the > filesystems via command as su would be helpful. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > Hope I'm not teaching you to "suck eggs" but this is my 2cents !!!! *grin* NTFS is NEARLY always mount as read only as it's not recommended to mount them RW because it's really easy to corrupt a NTFS drive Try fdisk -l to list everything But to mount something like Fat32 you could try mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/win Usually workout what /dev device it is my `tail` /var/log/messages as you plugin the USB device Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed May 3 14:25:11 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:25:11 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] User accounts failing login from ldap/samba server to k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4458BD47.4010707@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Randall Swift wrote: > I have been having some login problems to my k12ltsp network. Let me > explain my setup. > Samba/LDAP server doing all authenticating (windows computers as well as > k12ltsp). > The problem is that some students cannot log into k12ltsp but they can log > into a windows machine. This has been affecting students sporadically. One > day a student can log in fine and then the next day it will not log them > on to k12ltsp but will on a windows machine. This has been happening all > year but is getting worse now. Some things I have tried: > Reset their password (made no difference) > Chown their home directory (occasionally this would work) > Any Ideas? Why might this be happening? > Thanks for the help > > > Randy Swift > Network Administrator > Leavitt Area High School > Turner, Maine 04282 > (207)225-3533 > swift at msad52.k12.me.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Do you have ncsd running ?? Got to the point one day when I couldn't even login as root, so had to use webmin to restart nscd , I like webmin *grin* Had loads of problems with this so turned it off Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed May 3 14:52:51 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 10:52:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] User accounts failing login from ldap/samba server to=?ISO-8859-1?Q? k12ltsp?= In-Reply-To: <4458BD47.4010707@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <4458BD47.4010707@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: Randy....check to see if nscd is running....if it is...consider disabling it and then restarting ldap, smb, etc. You don't need nscd for an installation of your size and I can honestly say that nscd had some serious bugs in the releases that came out last summer....kept crashing for no reason. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 at 10:25 AM +0000 wrote: >Randall Swift wrote: >> I have been having some login problems to my k12ltsp network. Let me >> explain my setup. >> Samba/LDAP server doing all authenticating (windows computers as well as >> k12ltsp). >> The problem is that some students cannot log into k12ltsp but they can >log >> into a windows machine. This has been affecting students sporadically. >One >> day a student can log in fine and then the next day it will not log them >> on to k12ltsp but will on a windows machine. This has been happening all >> year but is getting worse now. Some things I have tried: >> Reset their password (made no difference) >> Chown their home directory (occasionally this would work) >> Any Ideas? Why might this be happening? >> Thanks for the help >> >> >> Randy Swift >> Network Administrator >> Leavitt Area High School >> Turner, Maine 04282 >> (207)225-3533 >> swift at msad52.k12.me.us >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >Do you have ncsd running ?? Got to the point one day when I couldn't even >login as root, so had to >use webmin to restart nscd , I like webmin *grin* > >Had loads of problems with this so turned it off > >Brian > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed May 3 14:57:36 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 10:57:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool and vnc in ltsp4.2 In-Reply-To: <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: Jim, I think what he is referring to is the vnc-reflector piece that is built in to fl_teachertool.....AFAIK it's simply a vnc thing, but robark can tell you more. jam at mcquil.com on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 at 10:17 AM +0000 wrote: >Trond, > >what is the 'vnc-module'? Is it an Xorg thing, or a vnc thing? > >Give me some pointers, and I'll see if I can integrate it into an update >for LTSP-4.2. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >On Wed, May 3, 2006 9:32 am, Trond M?hlum wrote: >> Is there any hope of getting the vnc-module to work in ltsp4.2? We use >> LTSP4.1 with the "hack" of copying vnc.so into /opt/ltsp... the way it's >> documented on Robert's site. >> >> We tried this hack in LTSP4.2, but it does not work. We use the "Remote >> control" function every day. For us this is now a major showstopper for >> upgrading to LTSP4.2, which is too bad because of the new >> improvements... Is there hope? >> >> Best Regards >> Trond Maehlum >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Wed May 3 15:16:27 2006 From: sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:16:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: a little slow when 30+ workstations all load StarOffice 7 at the same time In-Reply-To: <20060503145137.811EE72F9B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060503145137.811EE72F9B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1146669387.7241.247.camel@localhost> > > They are a little slow when 30+ workstations all load StarOffice 7 > at > > the same time, or when they log out. > > Can't do much to speed up 30+ students all starting OOo at the SAME > time. It's going to be slow on pretty much any server. > > The trick is to get the students to start OOo at slightly different > times. Like "okay this half of the class start now" then 1 min later > "now the rest of you". Once the app is launched the load drops way > down. My first thought was perhaps a wrapper script around Star Office that inserts a randomly weighted pause of up to 10 seconds before starting up SOffice? This would be annoying, however, in normal use, so something a little more sophisticated that could log how many apps were attempting to startup in the last 5 or 10 seconds, and implement some sort of waiting queue before starting additional copies, might be better. Has anyone ever benchmarked how long it takes to start 30 sequential copies of SOffice, vs just banging go on 30 machines at the same time? A generic app queue control might be a really good thing for making a K12LTSP server work better with low amounts of RAM. Or does one already exist? Sean Harbour Northwest Regional ESD 503-614-1448 sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 3 15:42:53 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:42:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool and vnc in ltsp4.2 In-Reply-To: <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <4458B0E8.5050306@maehlum.net> <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <4458CF7D.4060404@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim McQuillan wrote: > Trond, > > what is the 'vnc-module'? Is it an Xorg thing, or a vnc thing? > > Give me some pointers, and I'll see if I can integrate it into an update > for LTSP-4.2. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > VNC needs to be built within the LBE. The VNC source includes a X extension: $ rpm -ql vnc-server | grep xorg /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libvnc.so http://www.realvnc.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi -Eric > > On Wed, May 3, 2006 9:32 am, Trond M?hlum wrote: >> Is there any hope of getting the vnc-module to work in ltsp4.2? We use >> LTSP4.1 with the "hack" of copying vnc.so into /opt/ltsp... the way it's >> documented on Robert's site. >> >> We tried this hack in LTSP4.2, but it does not work. We use the "Remote >> control" function every day. For us this is now a major showstopper for >> upgrading to LTSP4.2, which is too bad because of the new >> improvements... Is there hope? >> >> Best Regards >> Trond Maehlum >> From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed May 3 16:25:54 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 04:25:54 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple server setup Message-ID: <4458D992.2090401@orcon.net.nz> I would like advice how best to set up my multiple servers to run different applications. At present I have a low end IPCOP machine running Dansguardian. I also have 2 identical AMD 2500XP machines GB Lan. One of them is running K12LTSP 4.2.1 (about to be upgraded to the latest v5.0.0) The other one was used as a Windows Xp machine for multimedia/design. I have 3 identical hard drives 120 GB SATA: One has got WinXP on it. One has got K12LTSP 4.2.1 on it. The other one is free. Options: I was thinking of keeping one as K12LTSP and the otherone as backuppc server on Ubuntu. I also want to use asterisk,Koha library software and a bell automation software. Should these also go on the K12LTSP server, or will it hit the performance of LTSP? I was also thinking of install VMserver and running asterisk and backuppc as virtual machines any advice? Also would putting /home nfs mounted on another server improve the performance of K12LTSP? I am considering getting a bigger HD for backup (also have a few WINXP laptops to backup) I am also considering another server if necessary. Thanks. Krsnendu dasa From steve at sierra-computer.com Wed May 3 17:17:58 2006 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 10:17:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS error after upgrade to ltsp 4.2 Message-ID: <4458E5C6.2050805@sierra-computer.com> I just upgraded our test server to ltsp 4.2. The server is currently running K12LTSP 4.2.3EL. After installing ltsp 4.2 and running ltspadmin I restarted dhcpd. When I tried to boot a terminal I received these errors: mount: 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386 failed, reason given by server: Permission denied NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address mount: Mounting 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument Error! Failed to mount the root directory via NFS! If I go back to the dhcpd.conf and change the root path back to the original directory and restart dhcpd everything works fine. Maybe I missed something in the install of version 4.2 but I cannot find it. The instructions mention to update the "filename" but I do not know what to change it to. Steve Knopik From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Wed May 3 17:33:46 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:33:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] iCal Message-ID: <69b790a80605031033h62784e05k47b3e0a337bc406b@mail.gmail.com> Anybody get Linux setup to be an iCal server? We have a couple of schools that want to use iCal for their calendaring software, no choice on my part. If it will work, I'd rather have linux be the server instead of OSX. From trond at maehlum.net Wed May 3 18:14:13 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:14:13 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool and vnc in ltsp4.2 In-Reply-To: <4458CF7D.4060404@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4458B0E8.5050306@maehlum.net> <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <4458CF7D.4060404@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4458F2F5.8090008@maehlum.net> Eric Harrison skrev: > Jim McQuillan wrote: >> Trond, >> >> what is the 'vnc-module'? Is it an Xorg thing, or a vnc thing? >> >> Give me some pointers, and I'll see if I can integrate it into an update >> for LTSP-4.2. >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> > > VNC needs to be built within the LBE. The VNC source includes a X extension: > > $ rpm -ql vnc-server | grep xorg > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libvnc.so > > > http://www.realvnc.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi > I would be more than happy to do this myself, but I haven't got the first clue about how to do it... How do one do this? Trond > -Eric > >> On Wed, May 3, 2006 9:32 am, Trond M?hlum wrote: >>> Is there any hope of getting the vnc-module to work in ltsp4.2? We use >>> LTSP4.1 with the "hack" of copying vnc.so into /opt/ltsp... the way it's >>> documented on Robert's site. >>> >>> We tried this hack in LTSP4.2, but it does not work. We use the "Remote >>> control" function every day. For us this is now a major showstopper for >>> upgrading to LTSP4.2, which is too bad because of the new >>> improvements... Is there hope? >>> >>> Best Regards >>> Trond Maehlum >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed May 3 18:15:02 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:15:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] iCal Message-ID: <20060503111502.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c1f3f121b0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Roger, Have they looked at the calendar function included in eGroupware? I think that it is pretty robust and it runs on Linux. Just a thought. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] iCal > From: Roger > Date: Wed, May 03, 2006 12:33 pm > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > > Anybody get Linux setup to be an iCal server? > > We have a couple of schools that want to use iCal for their > calendaring software, no choice on my part. If it will work, I'd > rather have linux be the server instead of OSX. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Wed May 3 18:16:38 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:16:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] iCal In-Reply-To: <20060503111502.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c1f3f121b0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060503111502.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c1f3f121b0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <69b790a80605031116u5f568544h1d8b1e59f6e0e8d9@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Roger, > > Have they looked at the calendar function included in eGroupware? I > think that it is pretty robust and it runs on Linux. > I have no choice for desktop. They want iCal, nothing else. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Wed May 3 17:37:17 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:37:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Office XP on k12ltsp Message-ID: <200605031816.k43IGmLq026349@mx3.redhat.com> Hello List, I would like some suggestion on how to run Office XP on the k12ltsp server. I know it comes with Openoffice pre-installed, but I am trying to introduce Linux to my school and one of the requirements is that it should be able to run windows applications. I am setting up a lab of 30 thin clients, with three different servers which have been loaned to me for testing purpose. What software do you recommend I use to run Microsoft office on Linux? Thank you Mark Sarria Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed May 3 18:19:12 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:19:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Office XP on k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <200605031816.k43IGmLq026349@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605031816.k43IGmLq026349@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4458F420.2090000@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Crossover Office. Works fine for stuff other than outlook and access. I've been using it for years, and it's good enough. http://www.codeweavers.com/ Mike Mark Sarria wrote: > Hello List, > > I would like some suggestion on how to run Office XP on the k12ltsp server. > I know it comes with Openoffice pre-installed, but I am trying to introduce > Linux to my school and one of the requirements is that it should be able to > run windows applications. I am setting up a lab of 30 thin clients, with > three different servers which have been loaned to me for testing purpose. > > What software do you recommend I use to run Microsoft office on Linux? > > Thank you > > Mark Sarria > Sylmar High School > LAUSD > (818) 367-0299 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From trond at maehlum.net Wed May 3 18:18:56 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:18:56 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool and vnc in ltsp4.2 In-Reply-To: <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <4458B0E8.5050306@maehlum.net> <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <4458F410.8010506@maehlum.net> Jim McQuillan skrev: > Trond, > > what is the 'vnc-module'? Is it an Xorg thing, or a vnc thing? > > Give me some pointers, and I'll see if I can integrate it into an update > for LTSP-4.2. We use the "hack" below to do this in ltsp4.1. We have centrally placed servers at city hall. Our schools connect to the servers via fiber. We centrally manage 9 schools this way. The "Control" function of TeacherTool, like Citrix' shadow-function, is very useful for troubleshooting and aiding teachers and students from our office. Our setup depends on this and in LTSP4.1 it works using the how-to below Trond here: 4. Optional: Step 4 is only required to enable the experimental support to Monitor and Control. Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf Fine the line X4_MODULE_01=glx. On the next line insert: X4_MODULE_02 = vnc Then edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg and add the following between (Secton "Screen") and (EndSubSection), so it looks like this: Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "My Video Card" Monitor "My Monitor" DefaultDepth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} Subsection "Display" Depth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} Modes ${MODE[*]} #========================================= # Added to enable Monitor/Control in Fl_TeacherTool Option "httpdir" "/usr/share/vnc/classes" Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd" Option "rfbport" "5900" Option "usevnc" #========================================= EndSubSection EndSection Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this command as root: #/usr/bin/vncpasswd Choose a password and copy the password file into the ltsp-tree #cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ Now you must copy the vnc-module and some libraries into the ltsp-tree: #cp /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ #cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ The next cp creates a backup of the original libgcc_s.so.1 library. #cp /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1.original So, if you want, you can always restore things to their original state. You can now overwrite the library knowing you have saved the original. #cp /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/ Reboot the clients or just reset X by hitting Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and the new Monitor/Control buttons in Fl_TeacherTool should work.@ > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Wed, May 3, 2006 9:32 am, Trond M?hlum wrote: >> Is there any hope of getting the vnc-module to work in ltsp4.2? We use >> LTSP4.1 with the "hack" of copying vnc.so into /opt/ltsp... the way it's >> documented on Robert's site. >> >> We tried this hack in LTSP4.2, but it does not work. We use the "Remote >> control" function every day. For us this is now a major showstopper for >> upgrading to LTSP4.2, which is too bad because of the new >> improvements... Is there hope? >> >> Best Regards >> Trond Maehlum >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From m3freak at rogers.com Wed May 3 16:33:10 2006 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 12:33:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] performance issues In-Reply-To: <445863C7.6070204@stmaurice.mb.ca> References: <445863C7.6070204@stmaurice.mb.ca> Message-ID: <1146673990.4998.79.camel@krs> On Wed, 2006-03-05 at 03:03 -0500, Liam Marshall wrote: > I have a dual zeon 3.06 GHz server, currently with 4 80 Gb SATA drives > connected to a MegaRaid 4 port raid controller set for raid 0. I have > currently 2 Gb of RAM. Why are you using RAID 0? RAID 0 gives tremendous speed, but there isn't any fault tolerance. RAID 1, or even RAID 5, would be a much better option. I personally have never recommended or implemented SATA drives in Linux terminal servers. I just don't trust SATA drivers enough to put them in. I prefer using SCSI 15K RPM drives - not sure if SATA drives are available at that speed. At 2 GB of RAM for 30 users, you're probably on or over the threshold of swapping to disk. That's usually BAD on a Linux terminal server. Other than that, your hardware looks fine. > Workstations are almost exclusively IBM 300PLs which are thin clients, > onboard video, sound, nic, etc That looks good. You mention 96MB in the thin client further down in your message - that's more than enough. > They are a little slow when 30+ workstations all load StarOffice 7 at > the same time, or when they log out. That's a massive load. That being said, a properly configured server should be able to handle that fairly well. For example: - stop all non-essential services - fast disks (at least 10K RPM, 15K RPM is better) - zero to minimal swapping - enough RAM (at least 50 MB per user + 500 MB for the distro) > I am planning on upgrading memory from 2 to 4 Gb, and increase the > backbone to Gb, but this upgrade will most likely not happen till > summer. The RAM upgrade will help, most certainly. > In the mean time, is there anything I can do to increase > performance? Non of the workstations have hard drives, and their memory > is 96 Mb each. I have tried enabling swapfiles with not much > perceivable difference. I think your bottleneck is: - RAM - slow disks - too much load You could investigate with any number of tools, such as vmstat. Fire up all 30 thin clients and have them load StarOffice. Watch vmstat while all that is going on - you'll quickly see where your problems lie. > What is the deal with running apps locally? > And how do I/Can I do it? You run an app, such as Firefox, on the thin client. It's a great way to take some load off the server, yet still be able to manage thin clients from one location. The caveat is the thin client has to be powerful enough to run the application. In your case, you'll have to upgrade the RAM to at least 128MB. The CPU might be too slow - not sure. I've never liked setting up local apps with LTSP. It used to be too much of a pain in the butt. Recently, I think it's been made easier. Though, I haven't tried in a couple of years. I find that another Linux thin client project, Thinstation, handles this much better. Actually, I now prefer Thinstation over LTSP, period. I stopped using and recommending LTSP to clients in the first half of 2005 after spending a lot of time looking into Thinstation. Anyway, I hope this was of some help. Regards, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Linux 2.6.16-1.2096_FC4 i686 GNU/Linux 11:45:29 up 5:15, 3 users, load average: 0.18, 0.19, 0.18 From les at futuresource.com Wed May 3 18:46:30 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:46:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iCal In-Reply-To: <69b790a80605031116u5f568544h1d8b1e59f6e0e8d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060503111502.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c1f3f121b0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <69b790a80605031116u5f568544h1d8b1e59f6e0e8d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1146681990.2993.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 13:16, Roger wrote: > On 5/3/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > Roger, > > > > Have they looked at the calendar function included in eGroupware? I > > think that it is pretty robust and it runs on Linux. > > > > I have no choice for desktop. They want iCal, nothing else. I thought it just used webdav to publish the file - the server shouldn't need to know about the contents, although this looks like it might do both: http://phpicalendar.net/documentation/index.php/About -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Wed May 3 18:50:12 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NFS error after upgrade to ltsp 4.2 In-Reply-To: <4458E5C6.2050805@sierra-computer.com> References: <4458E5C6.2050805@sierra-computer.com> Message-ID: <37134.68.250.145.129.1146682212.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Steve, After installing LTSP-4.2, you'll need to do the following: 1) Copy your lts.conf file from /opt/ltsp/i386/etc to /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386 2) Add "/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386" to your /etc/exports file 3) run 'exportfs -ra' to update the nfs daemon 4) Modify your dhcpd.conf file as follows: a) Change the 'filename' parameter to point to the new kernel, it should be '/lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-2/pxelinux.0' for PXE booting and '/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2' for Etherboot booting b) Change the root-path entry to point to '/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386' 5) Restart dhcpd That should take care of it. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, May 3, 2006 1:17 pm, Steve Knopik wrote: > I just upgraded our test server to ltsp 4.2. The server is currently > running K12LTSP 4.2.3EL. After installing ltsp 4.2 and running ltspadmin > I restarted dhcpd. When I tried to boot a terminal I received these > errors: > > mount: 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386 failed, reason given by server: > Permission denied > NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address > mount: Mounting 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386 on /mnt failed: Invalid > argument > > Error! Failed to mount the root directory via NFS! > > If I go back to the dhcpd.conf and change the root path back to the > original directory and restart dhcpd everything works fine. > > Maybe I missed something in the install of version 4.2 but I cannot find > it. > > The instructions mention to update the "filename" but I do not know what > to change it to. > > Steve Knopik > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Wed May 3 18:55:16 2006 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:55:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Office XP on k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <200605031816.k43IGmLq026349@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605031816.k43IGmLq026349@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200605031155.16791.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> On Wednesday 03 May 2006 10:37, Mark Sarria wrote: > I would like some suggestion on how to run Office XP on the k12ltsp server. > I know it comes with Openoffice pre-installed, but I am trying to introduce > Linux to my school and one of the requirements is that it should be able to > run windows applications. I am setting up a lab of 30 thin clients, with > three different servers which have been loaned to me for testing purpose. > > What software do you recommend I use to run Microsoft office on Linux? Agreed; Crossover is a good choice for primarily Office, and a small handful of other apps written for Windows. Moving very far outside of that handful often gets tricky, and you'll find it important to manage expectations carefully. Best of luck! -- Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions (866) 465-8636 www.safedesk.com From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Wed May 3 19:28:22 2006 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:28:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] iCal In-Reply-To: <1146681990.2993.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20060503111502.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c1f3f121b0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <69b790a80605031116u5f568544h1d8b1e59f6e0e8d9@mail.gmail.com> <1146681990.2993.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <44590456.9000506@physics.isu.edu> Les Mikesell wrote: > > >>I have no choice for desktop. They want iCal, nothing else. >> >> > >I thought it just used webdav to publish the file - the server >shouldn't need to know about the contents, although this looks >like it might do both: >http://phpicalendar.net/documentation/index.php/About > > > I have set this up before on an Linux apache server with webdav enabled and ran into the following problems.. Data corruption/data loss when access with multiple clients at the same time. The calendars get corrupted. (but this may be related to using beta mozilla calendar/sunbird clients on windows and Linux in addition to iCal on Mac.) iCal didn't support SSL, (i think think that has been remedied in a recent upgrade, but I'm not sure) Phpicalendar is good or showing a web view, but watch it for frequent security updates.. Don't let this discourage you, it worked, I just wasn't patient enough to work all the bugs out. It may work great if you are only using iCal, and don't need SSL. If you are looking for a shared calendar system, test carefully or take frequent backups. Hope this helps, Ben From les at futuresource.com Wed May 3 19:34:06 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 14:34:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iCal In-Reply-To: <44590456.9000506@physics.isu.edu> References: <20060503111502.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c1f3f121b0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <69b790a80605031116u5f568544h1d8b1e59f6e0e8d9@mail.gmail.com> <1146681990.2993.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44590456.9000506@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <1146684845.2993.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 14:28, Ben Nickell wrote: > > > I have set this up before on an Linux apache server with webdav enabled > and ran into the following problems.. > > Data corruption/data loss when access with multiple clients at the same > time. The calendars get corrupted. (but this may be related to using > beta mozilla calendar/sunbird clients on windows and Linux in addition > to iCal on Mac.) Did you have multiple users that were allowed to write to the same file? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From scott at hosef.org Wed May 3 19:39:34 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:39:34 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Office XP on k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <200605031155.16791.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> References: <200605031816.k43IGmLq026349@mx3.redhat.com> <200605031155.16791.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Message-ID: <445906F6.5080204@hosef.org> Curt Craig wrote: > On Wednesday 03 May 2006 10:37, Mark Sarria wrote: >> I would like some suggestion on how to run Office XP on the k12ltsp server. >> I know it comes with Openoffice pre-installed, but I am trying to introduce >> Linux to my school and one of the requirements is that it should be able to >> run windows applications. I am setting up a lab of 30 thin clients, with >> three different servers which have been loaned to me for testing purpose. >> >> What software do you recommend I use to run Microsoft office on Linux? > > Agreed; Crossover is a good choice for primarily Office, and a small handful > of other apps written for Windows. Moving very far outside of that handful > often gets tricky, and you'll find it important to manage expectations > carefully. > > Best of luck! I don't think that you will find a development team any more willing to help than the Crossover folks. They have made repeated pleas to this list for feedback on what applications to focus on. Either stating your needed applications here or emailing them directly will keep the ball rolling. --scott From steve at sierra-computer.com Wed May 3 20:10:32 2006 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:10:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS error after upgrade to ltsp 4.2 In-Reply-To: <37134.68.250.145.129.1146682212.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <4458E5C6.2050805@sierra-computer.com> <37134.68.250.145.129.1146682212.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <44590E38.1040806@sierra-computer.com> Thanks Jim That took care of it. Everything is working. Steve Knopik Jim McQuillan wrote: >Steve, > >After installing LTSP-4.2, you'll need to do the following: > > 1) Copy your lts.conf file from /opt/ltsp/i386/etc to /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386 > 2) Add "/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386" to your /etc/exports file > 3) run 'exportfs -ra' to update the nfs daemon > 4) Modify your dhcpd.conf file as follows: > a) Change the 'filename' parameter to point to the new kernel, > it should be '/lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-2/pxelinux.0' for PXE booting > and '/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2' for Etherboot booting > b) Change the root-path entry to point to '/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386' > 5) Restart dhcpd > >That should take care of it. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > > >On Wed, May 3, 2006 1:17 pm, Steve Knopik wrote: > > >>I just upgraded our test server to ltsp 4.2. The server is currently >>running K12LTSP 4.2.3EL. After installing ltsp 4.2 and running ltspadmin >>I restarted dhcpd. When I tried to boot a terminal I received these >>errors: >> >>mount: 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386 failed, reason given by server: >>Permission denied >>NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address >>mount: Mounting 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386 on /mnt failed: Invalid >>argument >> >>Error! Failed to mount the root directory via NFS! >> >>If I go back to the dhcpd.conf and change the root path back to the >>original directory and restart dhcpd everything works fine. >> >>Maybe I missed something in the install of version 4.2 but I cannot find >>it. >> >>The instructions mention to update the "filename" but I do not know what >>to change it to. >> >>Steve Knopik >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From robark at gmail.com Wed May 3 20:25:44 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:25:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Need script help for fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/2/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 2 May 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > On 5/2/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> This should work better for you: > >> > >> getent hosts | grep ^`echo $DISPLAY | sed -e 's/:/ /g'\ | awk > >> '{print $1}'` | cut -f1 > > Well this didn't work either. Not sure what the ^ is for but the problem has been solved a different way. I just used echo $DISPLAY with this I get wsXXX.ltsp:0.0 on a terminal or :0.0 on the server then I just use C++ to throw away anything after the : So I either have the wsXXX.ltsp or nothing. However, (and this was the problem before) you can't grep for nothing. So if it's nothing I replace it with "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" which will never match anything in /etc/hosts (as I want). Then I used getent hosts | grep -w line | awk '{print $1}' where line is either xxxxxxxxxxxxxx or wsXXX.ltsp. So it works perfect now. Expect Fl_TT 0.31 VERY soon with much improved speed :) -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Wed May 3 20:33:34 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:33:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Need script help for fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/3/06, David Trask wrote: > One of the problems becomes this....if anyone has set up their range to go > beyond 255 then the numbers do increase, but do not revert back to > zero....for example.....I use the 10.0.x.x range....so 10.0.0.1 would be > ws001.ltsp BUT...10.0.1.0 would be ws256.ltsp and 10.0.1.1 would be > ws257.ltsp....etc. This is especially true with those of us who use our > K12LTSP servers in single NIC mode and use them as the DHCP servers for > our networks. Just a heads up to give you something to consider as you > continue along with fl_teachertool . (I'm loving the latest > fl_teachertool....can't wait to see what's next!) Thanks David. I was going to settle for the easy way out and be content with omitting anything which matched ".0.0." as Eric stated. But after reading your post I quickly decided to do it a more robust way. A little more work but it should work for any setup now. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Wed May 3 20:34:43 2006 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 14:34:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] iCal In-Reply-To: <1146684845.2993.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20060503111502.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c1f3f121b0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <69b790a80605031116u5f568544h1d8b1e59f6e0e8d9@mail.gmail.com> <1146681990.2993.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44590456.9000506@physics.isu.edu> <1146684845.2993.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <445913E3.5000109@physics.isu.edu> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 14:28, Ben Nickell wrote: > > >>I have set this up before on an Linux apache server with webdav enabled >>and ran into the following problems.. >> >>Data corruption/data loss when access with multiple clients at the same >>time. The calendars get corrupted. (but this may be related to using >>beta mozilla calendar/sunbird clients on windows and Linux in addition >>to iCal on Mac.) >> >> > >Did you have multiple users that were allowed to write to the >same file? > > More the like same user from multiple systems. For example, they would have mozilla calendar on windows at home and Linux at work, iCal on a mac laptop. They wouldn't shut down the home or work ones. I think they had them configured to synchronize automatically, so often it would result in the file being accessed by 2 clients at once an corrupting the ical file. Maybe this was because of bugs in Mozilla Calendar synchronization, because I didn't think webdav should allow that. Ben From robark at gmail.com Wed May 3 20:40:37 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:40:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool and vnc in ltsp4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: On 5/3/06, David Trask wrote: > Jim, > > I think what he is referring to is the vnc-reflector piece that is built > in to fl_teachertool.....AFAIK it's simply a vnc thing, but robark can > tell you more. It doesn't affect the vnc-reflector. Everything except Monitor and Control still works fine in k12ltsp 5.0. Eric even fixed the Lock feature by adding xscreensaver back in. Thanks Eric. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us Wed May 3 20:45:30 2006 From: JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us (Jeffrey Myers) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:45:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Office XP on k12ltsp Message-ID: <42E1B58A4412104282AF23584937C3BA0C1B90@dcedcf03.dccentral> Try this Mark Wine is a program that allows Linux users to use Windows programs. Wine sets up a fake windows file system on your Linux partition and enables you to load programs that will only run on a Windows platform. Programs such as your training CD's, or Excel, Word, Internet Explorer. Wine has not yet been perfected it does have some problems. But it does give Linux users an opportunity to use some of their must have programs that only operate in Windows. http://www.winehq.com/ -----Original Message----- From: R. Scott Belford [mailto:scott at hosef.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:40 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Office XP on k12ltsp Curt Craig wrote: > On Wednesday 03 May 2006 10:37, Mark Sarria wrote: >> I would like some suggestion on how to run Office XP on the k12ltsp server. >> I know it comes with Openoffice pre-installed, but I am trying to introduce >> Linux to my school and one of the requirements is that it should be able to >> run windows applications. I am setting up a lab of 30 thin clients, with >> three different servers which have been loaned to me for testing purpose. >> >> What software do you recommend I use to run Microsoft office on Linux? > > Agreed; Crossover is a good choice for primarily Office, and a small handful > of other apps written for Windows. Moving very far outside of that handful > often gets tricky, and you'll find it important to manage expectations > carefully. > > Best of luck! I don't think that you will find a development team any more willing to help than the Crossover folks. They have made repeated pleas to this list for feedback on what applications to focus on. Either stating your needed applications here or emailing them directly will keep the ball rolling. --scott _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Wed May 3 21:02:46 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:02:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool and vnc in ltsp4.2 In-Reply-To: <4458CF7D.4060404@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4458B0E8.5050306@maehlum.net> <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <4458CF7D.4060404@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 5/3/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > Trond, > > > > what is the 'vnc-module'? Is it an Xorg thing, or a vnc thing? > > > > Give me some pointers, and I'll see if I can integrate it into an update > > for LTSP-4.2. > > VNC needs to be built within the LBE. The VNC source includes a X extension: > > $ rpm -ql vnc-server | grep xorg > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libvnc.so > > > http://www.realvnc.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi > In addition to libvnc.so we also need libstdc++.so.6 libgcc_s.so.1 to be built inside the LBE. I think it may put a small increase in load on the clients since they would have the capability of running a vnc server. However, this would only affect people who enable X4_MODULE_02 = vnc in lts.conf So it would not affect others by default. I may ask the list how many people would the like Monitor and Control feature to get a sense of the demand. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 3 21:07:54 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:07:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool and vnc in ltsp4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <4458B0E8.5050306@maehlum.net> <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <4458CF7D.4060404@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060503210410.M44457@winonacotter.org> > I may ask the list how many people would the like Monitor and Control > feature to get a sense of the demand. To anyone coming from a mac world where we had Network Assistant or ARD, it is a necessity, even those who use VNC or PC Anywhere on Windows. For central management to help out users anywhere it is an awesome tool. Especially in schools. I use it all of the time, a user calls and needs help with problem X, I can either walk there if they are in the same building, drive there if they are not, or simply connect to their machine and walk them through it over the phone without leaving the office. This feature makes our jobs far more efficient. For those who don't use this, they really should start, it makes life much easier. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Wed May 3 21:12:30 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:12:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool and vnc in ltsp4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <4458B0E8.5050306@maehlum.net> <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <4458CF7D.4060404@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44591CBE.6060109@maltzen.net> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > I may ask the list how many people would the like Monitor and Control > feature to get a sense of the demand. > -- Even if you don't ask, I'll put in my two cents: YES, I want the Monitor & Control. And thanks for all the work you're putting into this. It's a great tool. Petre From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Wed May 3 21:20:17 2006 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] kernel-2.6.16-1.2107_FC5.i686.rpm boot problem In-Reply-To: <20060503210410.M44457@winonacotter.org> References: <4458B0E8.5050306@maehlum.net> <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <4458CF7D.4060404@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060503210410.M44457@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1180.24.2.210.202.1146691217.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Today, May 3, I (re)built another samba server using the standard FC5 CD's and did a yum update only to not be able to boot with the above updated kernel. Last successful boot was yesterday with the 2096 kernel. It hangs while bringing up the graphical boot screen with an "X" that moves around with the mouse The server is a Dell SC420. I have no idea whether hyperthreading is active on it. Who do I report this to? Mark Orenstein East Granby (CT) School System From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed May 3 21:38:58 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:38:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <4458BCE1.2050904@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> <4458BCE1.2050904@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: Check out the captive NTFS project. It works for mounting XP systems rw. Take a look at the SystemRescueCD. You have to mount the NTFS drive read-only first to get the drivers from windows, then you use those drivers to remount it rw. On May 3, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Brian Chivers wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> I have been trying to get more familiar with DSL for repairing >> infested >> Windows machines and as a mobile Linux desktop. The main problem >> I have been >> having at this point is that all drives that I mount via the mount >> tool end up >> being "read only filesystems". External USB hard drives and thumb >> drives, and >> the most important, the local Windows drive. I have searched >> google and I can >> find no help. What I want to do most is be able to modify the >> files on the >> Windows FAT32 or NTFS drive. Does anyone have any suggestions? >> Even the right syntax to mount the >> filesystems via command as su would be helpful. >> Thanks, >> Jim Kronebusch >> Cotter Tech Department >> 507-453-5188 > Hope I'm not teaching you to "suck eggs" but this is my 2cents !!!! > *grin* > > NTFS is NEARLY always mount as read only as it's not recommended to > mount them RW because it's really easy to corrupt a NTFS drive > > Try fdisk -l to list everything > > But to mount something like Fat32 you could try > > mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/win > > Usually workout what /dev device it is my `tail` /var/log/messages > as you plugin the USB device > > Brian > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not > necessarily the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 3 21:46:02 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060503214602.9634.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> FAT32 is no problem, but NTFS is a different story. Look into Captive NTFS or NTFS using Fuse (see this link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=142481) DSL is a Knoppix derivative, and Knoppix allows you to right-click on a mounted drive and choose "Change read/write mode" or something to that effect. You could try that. Or you could mount the drive with the following command: mount -o rw /dev/hda1 /mnt/my_hard_drive make sure that the directory /mnt/my_hard_drive exists before attempting to mount to that directory. You might want to check out the manpage for "mount" to see if there are any other options worth passing, other than rw (for read-write). -Rob --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I have been trying to get more familiar with DSL for > repairing infested > Windows machines and as a mobile Linux desktop. The > main problem I have been > having at this point is that all drives that I mount > via the mount tool end up > being "read only filesystems". External USB hard > drives and thumb drives, and > the most important, the local Windows drive. I have > searched google and I can > find no help. What I want to do most is be able to > modify the files on the > Windows FAT32 or NTFS drive. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? Even the right > syntax to mount the > filesystems via command as su would be helpful. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Wed May 3 22:25:24 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:25:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] iCal In-Reply-To: <445913E3.5000109@physics.isu.edu> References: <20060503111502.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c1f3f121b0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <69b790a80605031116u5f568544h1d8b1e59f6e0e8d9@mail.gmail.com> <1146681990.2993.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44590456.9000506@physics.isu.edu> <1146684845.2993.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <445913E3.5000109@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <92de6c880605031525l77d262ffmae3d9d4e02907490@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/06, Ben Nickell wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > > >On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 14:28, Ben Nickell wrote: > > > > > >>I have set this up before on an Linux apache server with webdav enabled > >>and ran into the following problems.. > >> > >>Data corruption/data loss when access with multiple clients at the same > >>time. The calendars get corrupted. (but this may be related to using > >>beta mozilla calendar/sunbird clients on windows and Linux in addition > >>to iCal on Mac.) > >> > >> > > > >Did you have multiple users that were allowed to write to the > >same file? > > > > > More the like same user from multiple systems. For example, they would > have mozilla calendar on windows at home and Linux at work, iCal on a > mac laptop. They wouldn't shut down the home or work ones. I think > they had them configured to synchronize automatically, so often it would > result in the file being accessed by 2 clients at once an corrupting the > ical file. Maybe this was because of bugs in Mozilla Calendar > synchronization, because I didn't think webdav should allow that. The problem is that there isn't a standard method of handling this kind of iCalendar file publication. iCal takes the simple/safe route of assuming that only one client is going to publish and all the rest will subscribe. It makes no attempt to synchonize of do anything sophisticated at all. If you publish from iCal, it overwrites whatever is there. If you publish from two different instances, it simply isn't going to work. It isn't designed to work that way. OTOH, Mozilla Calendar is designed to do a naive sync. Before overwriting a calendar, it checks for changes and tries to not overwrite them. This is inherently unreliable for complex cases (not to mention that Mozilla can't seem to finish a calendaring client in general). Reliably syncing multiple calendars is actually a fairly difficult problem. Note that there is now a standard called CalDAV which lays out how calendaring via WebDAV is supposed to work, but it isn't really supported yet. If I were you, I would try to impress upon them the limitations of iCal's implementation. It places the burden on the user not to screw up their calendars. The user is responsible for only posting changes from one computer. If they don't like that, they're going to need to use some other system, and a web based system is going to be by far the easiest to deal with. --Tom From caldodge at gmail.com Wed May 3 22:33:39 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:33:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] kernel-2.6.16-1.2107_FC5.i686.rpm boot problem In-Reply-To: <1180.24.2.210.202.1146691217.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <4458B0E8.5050306@maehlum.net> <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <4458CF7D.4060404@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060503210410.M44457@winonacotter.org> <1180.24.2.210.202.1146691217.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0605031533h739352bbo6c8d0e4e05fc3b64@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/06, mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > Today, May 3, I (re)built another samba server using the standard FC5 CD's > and did a yum update only to not be able to boot with the above updated > kernel. Last successful boot was yesterday with the 2096 kernel. It > hangs while bringing up the graphical boot screen with an "X" that moves > around with the mouse > > The server is a Dell SC420. I have no idea whether hyperthreading is > active on it. > > Who do I report this to? Not sure - but I guess I need to find out, too. I rebooted my server this morning (Athlon64 on an Nforce3 motherboard running FC5 in 32-bit mode), and it had some weird networking issues. As near as I can tell, ICMP (ping) and UDP were working fine, but TCP was not. I rebooted to the 2096 kernel and the server was happy. I suppose the problem _could_ be some hardware incompatibility with the new kernel, since my NIC is an embedded Nvidia one. I just rebooted my laptop (P4-based Celeron with Intel NIC) to the same kernel, and it's networking just fine. At any rate, it looks like your best bet is to post to the general Fedora mailing list (go to http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list, join list, then send message to fedora-list at redhat.com). Calvin From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Wed May 3 22:43:23 2006 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:43:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] iCal In-Reply-To: <92de6c880605031525l77d262ffmae3d9d4e02907490@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060503111502.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c1f3f121b0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <69b790a80605031116u5f568544h1d8b1e59f6e0e8d9@mail.gmail.com> <1146681990.2993.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44590456.9000506@physics.isu.edu> <1146684845.2993.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <445913E3.5000109@physics.isu.edu> <92de6c880605031525l77d262ffmae3d9d4e02907490@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4459320B.8050403@physics.isu.edu> >> >> > >> > >> More the like same user from multiple systems. For example, they would >> have mozilla calendar on windows at home and Linux at work, iCal on a >> mac laptop. They wouldn't shut down the home or work ones. I think >> they had them configured to synchronize automatically, so often it would >> result in the file being accessed by 2 clients at once an corrupting the >> ical file. Maybe this was because of bugs in Mozilla Calendar >> synchronization, because I didn't think webdav should allow that. > > > The problem is that there isn't a standard method of handling this > kind of iCalendar file publication. iCal takes the simple/safe route > of assuming that only one client is going to publish and all the rest > will subscribe. It makes no attempt to synchonize of do anything > sophisticated at all. If you publish from iCal, it overwrites > whatever is there. If you publish from two different instances, it > simply isn't going to work. It isn't designed to work that way. > > OTOH, Mozilla Calendar is designed to do a naive sync. Before > overwriting a calendar, it checks for changes and tries to not > overwrite them. This is inherently unreliable for complex cases (not > to mention that Mozilla can't seem to finish a calendaring client in > general). > > Reliably syncing multiple calendars is actually a fairly difficult > problem. Note that there is now a standard called CalDAV which lays > out how calendaring via WebDAV is supposed to work, but it isn't > really supported yet. > > If I were you, I would try to impress upon them the limitations of > iCal's implementation. It places the burden on the user not to screw > up their calendars. The user is responsible for only posting changes > from one computer. If they don't like that, they're going to need to > use some other system, and a web based system is going to be by far > the easiest to deal with. > > --Tom > Tom, Thanks your informative response. That makes perfect sense and mirrors my experience exactly. I mirror Tom's recommendation for a web based service. phpicalandar can't display calendars on the web the you publish with iCal, and others can subscribe, just make sure to publish from only one location. Google calendar sure is nice, especially if you use gmail, but so far lacks the ability to synchronize devices, though you can export an ical file. I have really been trying to avoid Outlook (almost entirely successfully so far) the organizations I work with. It is getting harder and harder because of all the devices that only sync with Outlook. Grrrrrr. Ben From caldodge at gmail.com Wed May 3 22:48:21 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:48:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] kernel-2.6.16-1.2107_FC5.i686.rpm boot problem In-Reply-To: <1180.24.2.210.202.1146691217.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <4458B0E8.5050306@maehlum.net> <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <4458CF7D.4060404@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060503210410.M44457@winonacotter.org> <1180.24.2.210.202.1146691217.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0605031548l23b2f00dp6f2a9d31ac356172@mail.gmail.com> FWIW, I just checked the fedora-list archives, and found quite a few complaints about network and graphic problems with the new kernel. I'd suggest you go back to the 2096 kernel, and hope a new kernel comes out soon. Calvin From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed May 3 23:44:06 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:44:06 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Office XP on k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <42E1B58A4412104282AF23584937C3BA0C1B90@dcedcf03.dccentral> References: <42E1B58A4412104282AF23584937C3BA0C1B90@dcedcf03.dccentral> Message-ID: <44594046.8080409@orcon.net.nz> You could also try running WinXP as a virtual machine under vmware. Or Win4Lin ( I think server edition is better for LTSP.) Alernatively you could use one of your servers as a windows terminal server and rdesktop into it. Vmware server could be a good option if you want to use that server for other things also. Krsnendu dasa Jeffrey Myers wrote: >Try this Mark > > >Wine is a program that allows Linux users to use Windows programs. Wine sets >up a fake windows file system on your Linux partition and enables you to >load programs that will only run on a Windows platform. Programs such as >your training CD's, or Excel, Word, Internet Explorer. Wine has not yet been >perfected it does have some problems. But it does give Linux users an >opportunity to use some of their must have programs that only operate in >Windows. > >http://www.winehq.com/ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: R. Scott Belford [mailto:scott at hosef.org] >Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:40 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Office XP on k12ltsp > >Curt Craig wrote: > > >>On Wednesday 03 May 2006 10:37, Mark Sarria wrote: >> >> >>>I would like some suggestion on how to run Office XP on the k12ltsp >>> >>> >server. > > >>>I know it comes with Openoffice pre-installed, but I am trying to >>> >>> >introduce > > >>>Linux to my school and one of the requirements is that it should be able >>> >>> >to > > >>>run windows applications. I am setting up a lab of 30 thin clients, with >>>three different servers which have been loaned to me for testing purpose. >>> >>>What software do you recommend I use to run Microsoft office on Linux? >>> >>> >>Agreed; Crossover is a good choice for primarily Office, and a small >> >> >handful > > >>of other apps written for Windows. Moving very far outside of that >> >> >handful > > >>often gets tricky, and you'll find it important to manage expectations >>carefully. >> >>Best of luck! >> >> > >I don't think that you will find a development team any more willing to >help than the Crossover folks. They have made repeated pleas to this >list for feedback on what applications to focus on. Either stating your >needed applications here or emailing them directly will keep the ball >rolling. > >--scott > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jjjggg at hotmail.com Wed May 3 23:38:46 2006 From: jjjggg at hotmail.com (JohnG) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:38:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound demons :-( Message-ID: I'm trying to get sound working on a new K12LTSP install. It worked great on another server at 4.4.1 by only changing a couple of settings in the lts.conf file, but not on this one at either 4.4.1 or the latest 5.0 betas. It doesn't seem to have either the nasd or the esd deamons. I installed the rpm as specified at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#NASD_and_ESD but to no avail. There is no sound card on the server. Nasd or esd does not show up in a "ps aux" on either the server or client and a whereis can't find them either. What am I doing wrong? How do I fine these demon deamons and get them installed and running on the server (if that's my problem). Thanks in advance for any help. Oh, and 5.0 beta 4 and beta 5 are looking really good, thanks for all the great work! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjjggg at hotmail.com Thu May 4 00:18:46 2006 From: jjjggg at hotmail.com (JohnG) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:18:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Search the achives Message-ID: Am I going crazy or did there used to exist a search function for the archives? I can't seem to find it now, thanks. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu May 4 01:38:31 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> References: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44595B17.4020009@alltel.net> Here is how to fix that. . . First off, you must run commands as root, which isnte really available on DSL, so put sudo in front of every commend you run. Examle: sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 will mount the first IDE hard drive and shoud give you access to it. Just remember to issue sudo before every command. Works for me. Exception: NTFS filesystems. DSL doesn't have support to write to NTFS filesystems yet. (I have never needed to write there, just usually recover data from crashed drives.) Doug Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I have been trying to get more familiar with DSL for repairing infested >Windows machines and as a mobile Linux desktop. The main problem I have been >having at this point is that all drives that I mount via the mount tool end up >being "read only filesystems". External USB hard drives and thumb drives, and >the most important, the local Windows drive. I have searched google and I can >find no help. What I want to do most is be able to modify the files on the >Windows FAT32 or NTFS drive. > >Does anyone have any suggestions? Even the right syntax to mount the >filesystems via command as su would be helpful. > >Thanks, > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 > > > > From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu May 4 01:44:42 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:44:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Office XP on k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <200605031816.k43IGmLq026349@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605031816.k43IGmLq026349@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44595C8A.3050801@alltel.net> One of the *MAIN* reasons for using the K12LTSP project is cost in my opinion and to force it to run winders software puts you right back in the box. . . Paying M$ for software. . . You'd still have to pay for licenses and CALs for the M$ stuff, when OOo works just fine for 99% of what you will ever do in classes. JMHO - YMMV Doug Mark Sarria wrote: >Hello List, > >I would like some suggestion on how to run Office XP on the k12ltsp server. >I know it comes with Openoffice pre-installed, but I am trying to introduce >Linux to my school and one of the requirements is that it should be able to >run windows applications. I am setting up a lab of 30 thin clients, with >three different servers which have been loaned to me for testing purpose. > >What software do you recommend I use to run Microsoft office on Linux? > >Thank you > >Mark Sarria >Sylmar High School >LAUSD >(818) 367-0299 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu May 4 02:16:48 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:16:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Office XP on k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <44594046.8080409@orcon.net.nz> References: <42E1B58A4412104282AF23584937C3BA0C1B90@dcedcf03.dccentral> <44594046.8080409@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 at 7:44 PM +0000 wrote: >You could also try running WinXP as a virtual machine under vmware. >Or Win4Lin ( I think server edition is better for LTSP.) >Alernatively you could use one of your servers as a windows terminal >server and rdesktop into it. Vmware server could be a good option if you >want to use that server for other things also I use one server as a Windows Terminal server for this purpose and have a menu item on the Linux desktop that runs rdesktop and thus runs Windows. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca Thu May 4 03:02:02 2006 From: onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca (Onatawahtaw) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenAdmin Web-based School Administration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060504030202.35206.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just thought I'd make a quick plug for OpenAdmin (http://richtech.ca/openadmin/) in case anyone is looking for this type of program. OpenAdmin is an opensource (GPL) School Administration system that handles student demographic information, attendance, teacher day book, teacher grade book, report cards. It is mainly divided into three main sections: the admin section(for administrators/secretaries), the teacher section, and another section for parent/student viewing of marks/attendance/report cards. It is all web-based which makes it very easy for anyone to access. While it does take a bit of initial setup installing perl modules and configuring apache etc. it is still fairly easy to do. The scripts are all written in perl and can easily be modified by anyone with the know-how. We have tested the system this year and are relatively pleased with it (though of course with anything there's always room for improvement), we plan to implement it this Fall. There is a demo site at richtech.ca/openadmin for those who are interested in having a peek at it. I think it would even be a good idea to implement something like this into K12LTSP. But, hey, that's only my $0.00002 cents worth ;) Anyhow, I hope this information helps someone, -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From robert.pogson at gmail.com Thu May 4 04:59:58 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:59:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: a little slow when 30+ workstations all load StarOffice 7 at the same time In-Reply-To: <20060503160036.A2BF77366E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060503160036.A2BF77366E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1146718798.24796.41.camel@beast> On Wed, 2006-03-05 at 12:00 -0400, Sean wrote: > > > They are a little slow when 30+ workstations all load StarOffice 7 > > at > > > the same time, or when they log out. > > > > Can't do much to speed up 30+ students all starting OOo at the SAME > > time. It's going to be slow on pretty much any server. > > > > The trick is to get the students to start OOo at slightly different > > times. Like "okay this half of the class start now" then 1 min later > > "now the rest of you". Once the app is launched the load drops way > > down. > > My first thought was perhaps a wrapper script around Star Office that > inserts a randomly weighted pause of up to 10 seconds before starting > up SOffice? This would be annoying, however, in normal use, so > something > a little more sophisticated that could log how many apps were > attempting > to startup in the last 5 or 10 seconds, and implement some sort of > waiting queue before starting additional copies, might be better. Has > anyone ever benchmarked how long it takes to start 30 sequential > copies > of SOffice, vs just banging go on 30 machines at the same time? > > A generic app queue control might be a really good thing for making a > K12LTSP server work better with low amounts of RAM. Or does one > already > exist? > > Sean Harbour How long is this taking? My server takes about 2s/client to load OO1.1.3. I think it is a little faster to have everyone load at once rather than sequentially because some things can be done in parallel. In general LTSP is most productive when the server is going flat out with no waiting. Mine does not swap so the executable stays in RAM. I use RAID 1 so disk seeks are done in parallel, too. I tried an experiment today by creating a bunch of windows with xnest and making a script to load OO for a dozen different users but I got my xauth all messed up. I am not very good with all those parameters... As near as I can tell it is a little faster to load in parallel. I was able to compare two users v one user loading OO from separate clients. It was 2s for one user and 3s for two. One has to purge existing soffice processes to make sure the system does not simply open another window to soffice. That just takes a second. Abiword starts a new process every time and takes less than a second. I made a loop of thirty starts and Abiword takes about 24s to make 30 processes and open 30 windows while soffice takes just 30s to open 30 windows from one process because these were all by the same user: date>>junk;for (( f=0;f<30;f ++));do /var/chroot32/usr/bin/oowriter&done;date>>junk; top -b -u nobody >>junk;date With the Abiword test, it takes a couple of seconds before significant CPU utilization happens because stuff is being copied whereas with soffice, the cpu runs hard immediately opening windows. Give or take a few seconds everything could be done in less than a minute on my system. The variation in the time it takes users to login might spread things out a bit, though. Here are the CPU utilizations for soffice opening windows in 3s steps of real time: Wed May 3 22:39:49 CST 2006 Wed May 3 22:39:54 CST 2006 It took 5s to get soffice started 5 times and top started. grep id junk gave this: Cpu(s): 2.7% us, 0.2% sy, 0.1% ni, 96.8% id, 0.2% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si Cpu(s): 92.7% us, 7.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si Cpu(s): 73.5% us, 16.6% sy, 0.0% ni, 5.0% id, 5.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si Cpu(s): 68.3% us, 17.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 14.3% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si Cpu(s): 57.1% us, 11.9% sy, 0.0% ni, 30.4% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 0.3% si Cpu(s): 67.9% us, 12.3% sy, 9.9% ni, 9.9% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si Cpu(s): 48.7% us, 9.7% sy, 16.3% ni, 18.7% id, 6.7% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si Cpu(s): 3.0% us, 0.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 96.3% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si I have seen systems take 7s to load OO but they had serious bottlenecks like not enough RAM or very slow processors. I am using AMD64 3000 with 2gB RAM and three hard drives in RAID 1 so I am rarely busy. I am designing a system for a new high school. I am looking at four such processors and 6 gB of RAM for 100 users. That should be fun. -- A problem is an opportunity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssanders at coin.org Thu May 4 04:23:27 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 23:23:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <44595B17.4020009@alltel.net> References: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> <44595B17.4020009@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1146716608.13822.62.camel@bofh.ltsp> I am a tremendous fan of bootable Debian/Knoppix live CD's. DSL is great for older systems that do not have much RAM. You can switch to root in DSL from a terminal window with: sudo su no password needed. Some apps ask you for a root PW. As root in a terminal, just enter passwd and you will be prompted to create/change the password. Now you can run whatever app was needing root permissions. I forget what the name of the file manager app is in DSL, but I once figured it out, then ran it as root from a terminal, and I wasn't as limited in whatever it was I was trying to do at the time. Some Knoppix variants give you a root terminal window with Ctl-Alt F2 it seems (haven't tried that in awhile). Writing to NTFS from Linux has traditionally been dangerous. Recent Knoppix discs would let you write a file *back* to NTFS, but not create or write a filesize that was different. Very latest versions (Knoppix 4.0.2 or so) have CaptiveNTFS which allegedly has full NTFS write access. I have honestly never used it, but I understand one of the basic problems is Microsoft's proprietary drivers have been hard to reverse engineer accurately and safely. CaptiveNTFS uses the Microsoft drivers residing on the HD of the machine you have booted to, so no need for the distribution legal problems. This is assuming the filesystem in intact enough for you to use it. Knoppix discs with KDE usually have desktop icons for the partitions it finds. You can mount them for viewing and read/write (right-click, look for Actions, I think) graphically from the desktop. But if you are trying to rescue a borken Windows machine, why risk anything? Data never seems so valuable as when you know it's on there, but the box won't boot! You mention using external USB disks and keys to rescue information, this is the absolute best way to go. To make it easy, the rescue media should be formatted FAT32, that way it's easy to read/write with both Linux and Windows. If you can sudo su in DSL and get the file manager running as root, that may be easiest. Otherwise you would have to manually mount the rescue drive with something like this: root at knoppix# mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/hda5 /mnt/hda5 (I just used ext3 because I can't remember what the correct Windows one is). I rarely manually mount Windows disks for rescue anymore, I usually use external HD/USB key or FTP to another system using Midnight Commander. It's on most Knoppix discs, it's like the old DOS Norton Commander on steroids! You can first view all the recognized partitions with: cat /etc/fstab I did a simple Flash tutorial on doing this, using http://s-t-d.org (a security-based Knoppix, based on the old 3.2 version): http://204.202.9.122/~ssanders/index2.html There was no need to manually mount the drive, and in this example I used one of the two panes of Midnight Commander to be an FTP link to another machine on my network. It could have just as easily (easier, probably) to make that pane another drive or USB key. If the data is critical and/or the hardware may be failing, the most important to do is first image the drive onto another one. With NEITHER DRIVE MOUNTED, run dd like this: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb The if parameter is always the source drive (the one you are trying to rescue) DO NOT MIX THE if AND of PARAMETERS! You will have just destroyed your data with a perfect copy of a blank HD.... Leaning towards digital forensics methods, you can use the dd command with switches to make the copied drive an image file, and tell it to not stop on errors (like a badly damaged drive). Setting the blocksize to a larger value than the default 512 can help performance as well: dd if=/dev/hda of=rescued_disk.img bs=65536 conv=noerror,sync /dev/hdb (or rescued_disk.img) now is a perfect clone of the original. I have recovered literally hundreds of gigs of data using Knoppix discs. Ironically, the biggest failure I had was trying it on a recent K12LTSP server! The Logical Volume Management filesystem does not (easily) work well with Knoppix. Any Windows machine is fairly simple to rescue using combinations of these methods. Since hard drives are so cheap now, I have come to greatly prefer a USB drive. No more opening strange cases and futzing around with drive jumpers to allow a new drive, or on old PC's having a drive that the BIOS perhaps won't recognize properly. It's pretty easy to get a Windows box so mangled up that it won't boot, but the data is still there. Be sure to virus-scan possibly infected files before restoring them on another Windows machine! True data-recovery companies get hundreds of dollars per hour to get data from damaged drives. This stuff is magic to Joe Average Windows User, and Linux makes it fairly easy. From william at fragakis.com Thu May 4 04:27:31 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 00:27:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] performance issues In-Reply-To: <20060503145137.C97D373081@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060503145137.C97D373081@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1146716851.6419.78.camel@server.ltsp> my $.02 more ram and make sure you have gig ethernet going to the clients. The clients can be on 10/100 but the connection between the server and switch should be gig. Oddly enough, you may find performance improves with RAID 1. RAID 1 is slower for writes (since you do that twice) but reads are easier such as loading a program since you can read the same info in two locations. We run a 10k SATA software RAID on a server with about 30 clients with no problem. Never tried to open 30 copies of OO at once though. We also started using AbiWord for word-processing (we do K-5) since it does just fine for their needs and loads much faster. Kids love the instant gratification RAM will allow you to make sure you don't swap when loading multiple instances of StarOffice. You might take a look at your resources (ie RAM, network, processor) when loading and see where the bottle neck is. On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 10:51 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 03:03:19 -0500 > From: Liam Marshall > Subject: [K12OSN] performance issues > To: "Support Schools." > Message-ID: <445863C7.6070204 at stmaurice.mb.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I have a dual zeon 3.06 GHz server, currently with 4 80 Gb SATA > drives > connected to a MegaRaid 4 port raid controller set for raid 0. I > have > currently 2 Gb of RAM. > > Workstations are almost exclusively IBM 300PLs which are thin > clients, > onboard video, sound, nic, etc > > They are a little slow when 30+ workstations all load StarOffice 7 at > the same time, or when they log out. > > I am planning on upgrading memory from 2 to 4 Gb, and increase the > backbone to Gb, but this upgrade will most likely not happen till > summer. In the mean time, is there anything I can do to increase > performance? Non of the workstations have hard drives, and their > memory > is 96 Mb each. I have tried enabling swapfiles with not much > perceivable difference. What is the deal with running apps locally? > And how do I/Can I do it? > > Enquiring minds want to know. > > Thanks From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu May 4 08:27:26 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:27:26 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple server setup In-Reply-To: <4458D992.2090401@orcon.net.nz> References: <4458D992.2090401@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <200605040827.26801.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 03 May 2006 16:25, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I would like advice how best to set up my multiple servers to run > different applications. > At present I have a low end IPCOP machine running Dansguardian. > I also have 2 identical AMD 2500XP machines GB Lan. One of them is > running K12LTSP 4.2.1 (about to be upgraded to the latest v5.0.0) > The other one was used as a Windows Xp machine for multimedia/design. > I have 3 identical hard drives 120 GB SATA: One has got WinXP on it. One > has got K12LTSP 4.2.1 on it. The other one is free. > > Options: > I was thinking of keeping one as K12LTSP and the otherone as backuppc > server on Ubuntu. > > I also want to use asterisk,Koha library software and a bell automation > software. Should these also go on the K12LTSP server, or will it hit the > performance of LTSP? > > I was also thinking of install VMserver and running asterisk and > backuppc as virtual machines any advice? > > Also would putting /home nfs mounted on another server improve the > performance of K12LTSP? > I am considering getting a bigger HD for backup (also have a few WINXP > laptops to backup) > I am also considering another server if necessary. We run a bunch of LTSP servers. One part of the school runs 6 servers with 120 clients connecting to them. We have another LTSP setup with 2 servers and 30 clients. We have plenty of room to grow. All of the users home directories live on a separate server, which has RAID 5 disks. This is nfs mounted on all the other servers. This server also handles authentication via NIS. The performance hit due to this arrangement is not noticable, ie logons and home dir access doesn't seem any slower than when we had one box doing everything (with less users obviously). We have a backup server, also with RAID 5, in a different part of the school to the home directory server. Nightly the home dirs are copied to this via rsync and then this box is backed up to tape. In theory, if the home dir box died, we could use this backup box to service the home dirs. We run Koha on a separate server which lives in the library. This is also backup nightly via rsync to the backup box. We leave the backup of the teachers XP laptops to the teachers themselves and if they don't back it up and we have to reinstall it (which we do sometimes), then that is their problem not ours. We do, of course, try to get the files off before we re-install the laptop, but if we can't then too bad. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu May 4 08:56:03 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:56:03 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Search the achives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200605040856.03358.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 04 May 2006 00:18, JohnG wrote: > Am I going crazy or did there used to exist a search function for the > archives? I can't seem to find it now, thanks. > > John No you aren't going crazy. The search vanished several months ago. What you can do is use google eg "jetdirect site:www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn" -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu May 4 09:10:53 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:10:53 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools Message-ID: (This email is written with many concepts explained that may already be familiar to you because I am sending this as an open letter to readers from a wide range of backgrounds and interest groups). I write with heavy heart and a good dose of old-fashioned rage at the injustice meted out to the next generation. Okay, that's maybe a bit over the top, but I encountered a ludicrous situation that came to a head today at my local government primary school of around 75 students (K-7), located in a rural area of Western Australia. It's under-funded and under-resourced, as you would imagine. Through contacts I have in the local Linux user group (PLUG), I had tapped into a supply of up to 15 PII PCs about to be cast-off by a large company. They were more than happy to donate the lot, plus spares, and deliver them more than 100km to our school. These PCs are useless for running any recent version of Microsoft, but they are great for running Linux. I presented a proposal to our school Principal of the concept of making use of these computers in a teaching lab, utilising one or two of their high-end desktops as a server. The latter part of the concept was a short-term solution and I aimed to beg, borrow or steal a purpose-built server once I got the lab up and running, and proven. I also was going to donate my time to setup the system and administer it and asked nothing of the school staff in this regard. Underpinning the concept was that it was to be a K12LTSP lab, since I have been following the project for about three years and run a small setup at home for my kids. For those who don't know, K12LTSP is an offshoot of the LTS Project that allows low-end PCs to be used as thin (i.e., no hard drive) clients running off a central Linux server. Another, similar Linux project is 'Edubuntu', which is based on Ubuntu Linux, itself based on Debian Linux. Those of you in the know will realise that there are other projects out there that do similar things and also are tailored for an educational setting, but K12LTSP is the one with which I am most familiar. The beauty of any of these projects is that all the software is very worthy and it is FREE and you get to recycle old PCs, which not only saves them from polluting at landfill but also means that the hardware is usually FREE. Moreover, you can run a large PC lab (30 or more PCs, or clients) with only one server to administer instead of lots of separate PCs with their own operating system. See these links for more information if you're not already familiar with these software projects: http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html http://www.ltsp.org/ http://www.edubuntu.org/ Despite being cash-strapped, the school did have some cash to spare for incidentals so I was going to be able to buy some missing bits, like basic networking gear. I was even prepared that the lab be isolated from the rest of their system with no access to their existing server and internet link (the reason for this will be soon be apparent). Well, today I was told that thanks, but no thanks. Apparently, higher powers in head office dictate that every computer located in any government school across the whole State MUST run Microsoft - even if the hardware on which it runs is donated. Also, every computer in the school must be powerful enough to run XP. It simplifies administration and help-desk support, you see. That's despite the fact that no one from head office ever comes near the school's PCs, and despite the fact that the school can't afford to have more than about one working PC for every six students in the school because of the hardware requirements of XP. I should point out that the ratio is an estimate, since I've only anecdotal evidence of how many PCs are used regularly in the school. If I've erred, I believe I've been generous regarding the ratio of students per PC. As you would imagine, I was aghast at being told this today. I incredulously stated to the Principal and the school administrator that "it is our responsibility to teach our children computing, not Microsoft". But my pleas fell on deaf ears because they are bound by head office policy, apparently. I don't write this open letter to serve as a means to 'vent my spleen' and rant like some Linux zealot at a ridiculous situation. Instead, I ask that recipients consider the implications of it and then act. If you are able to contact someone who may have some influence, or know someone who knows someone else who may have influence, I want to see if we might effect a change in education policy to stop this happening in West Australian government schools. Just where are our tax dollars being spent in education? Into the pockets of Microsoft and Intel, I think. I see the use of free software and recycled hardware as another opportunity to better our next generation, yet it is being shot down by FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) emanating from the halls of (educational) power. The teachers here at the 'coal face' don't seem to mind too much because "we don't have to pay any licensing fees out of our budget - head office pays". I was dumbfounded that such an attitude can exist. Contact me if you have any ideas or similar sad stories to relate. Regards, Gavin Chester 962 Williams Rd (PO Box 62), Dwellingup, Western Australia. 6213. Tel: (08) 9538 1102 E-mail#1: mailto:sales at ecosolutions.com.au E-mail#2: mailto:gc at gwchester.com From sbarar at gmail.com Thu May 4 10:44:08 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:14:08 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20605040344v3faac60fu110efc5b03f9936f@mail.gmail.com> On 04/05/06, Gavin Chester wrote: > (This email is written with many concepts explained that may already be > familiar to you because I am sending this as an open letter to readers from > a wide range of backgrounds and interest groups). [SNIP] Look in archieves and you will see many sad commentaries. The worst was a Florida district that was laying off teachers as they did not have budget but were spending happily on systems (read M$$$$) instead!!! I appreciate your rant (and rage) nothing but mark copies to all we can. More power to all OSS. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu May 4 11:18:47 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools In-Reply-To: <774593a20605040344v3faac60fu110efc5b03f9936f@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20605040344v3faac60fu110efc5b03f9936f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50977.70.33.151.214.1146741527.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> makes me appreciate the open-minded approach we have in my districts..chuck From les at futuresource.com Thu May 4 12:30:14 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 07:30:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <1146716608.13822.62.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> <44595B17.4020009@alltel.net> <1146716608.13822.62.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <1146745814.20683.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 23:23, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > I am a tremendous fan of bootable Debian/Knoppix live CD's. DSL is great > for older systems that do not have much RAM. Note that you can boot knoppix without starting X on low ram boxes too. Just type 'knoppix 2' at the boot prompt. Besides using it as a rescue/diagnostic tool, you can also use it to run as a thin terminal on boxes that ltsp won't boot like laptops with pcmcia network cards even if they don't have enough ram to run a knoppix desktop locally. Boot with 'knoppix 2', then at the shell prompt: 'X -query server'. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 4 13:56:26 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:56:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: References: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> <4458BCE1.2050904@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20060504135505.M62043@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 3 May 2006 16:38:58 -0500, Burke Almquist wrote > Check out the captive NTFS project. It works for mounting XP systems > rw. Take a look at the SystemRescueCD. You have to mount the NTFS > drive read-only first to get the drivers from windows, then you use > those drivers to remount it rw. I took a look at captive a couple days ago. I think it needs kernel 2.6 to work and DSL runs 2.4. Would I be better with Knoppix? Does that run a newer kernel? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 4 14:11:09 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:11:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <1146716608.13822.62.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> <44595B17.4020009@alltel.net> <1146716608.13822.62.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <20060504140606.M42859@winonacotter.org> Wow! Thanks to everyone for the input here. I am trying to train myself and a couple of tech to use some type of liveCD linux to troubleshoot Windows machines. We waste a lot of time repairing Windows boxes to a state good enough to backup/recover data. Sometimes all we want to do is save data, other times it would be nice to quick modify a corrupt boot.ini and reboot the machine and go home. That is why I am looking for multiple forms of access and backup. All of these suggestions have been great. I think for my purpose I will work mostly with Knoppix, I think the newer kernel and ready installed captive on the newest version will accomplish all of the tasks I am looking for. I figured there would be a more appropriate list to post this to somewhere, but I have yet to find a list that can answer such broad topics with such accuracy as this one. And not get slammed in the meantime. I think this list should get nominated for best open source list of the year :-) Thanks again. Jim Kronebusch -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From accessys at smart.net Thu May 4 14:19:22 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <20060504140606.M42859@winonacotter.org> References: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> <44595B17.4020009@alltel.net> <1146716608.13822.62.camel@bofh.ltsp> <20060504140606.M42859@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2006, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Wow! Thanks to everyone for the input here. I am trying to train myself and > a couple of tech to use some type of liveCD linux to troubleshoot Windows > machines. We waste a lot of time repairing Windows boxes to a state good just a quick last minute thought, another live CD is Mepis. (www.mepis.org) this is a Debian based live CD. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 4 14:49:19 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:49:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: a little slow when 30+ workstations all load StarOffice 7 at the same time In-Reply-To: <1146718798.24796.41.camel@beast> References: <20060503160036.A2BF77366E@hormel.redhat.com> <1146718798.24796.41.camel@beast> Message-ID: One thing you may be able to do to help this is: On the *server* load a copy of OOo and just leave it running. This way the shared stuff is already in RAM and subsequent users loads will come up faster. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 3 May 2006, pogson wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-05 at 12:00 -0400, Sean wrote: > > > > > They are a little slow when 30+ workstations all load StarOffice 7 > > > at > > > > the same time, or when they log out. > > > > > > Can't do much to speed up 30+ students all starting OOo at the SAME > > > time. It's going to be slow on pretty much any server. > > > > > > The trick is to get the students to start OOo at slightly different > > > times. Like "okay this half of the class start now" then 1 min later > > > "now the rest of you". Once the app is launched the load drops way > > > down. > > > > My first thought was perhaps a wrapper script around Star Office that > > inserts a randomly weighted pause of up to 10 seconds before starting > > up SOffice? This would be annoying, however, in normal use, so > > something > > a little more sophisticated that could log how many apps were > > attempting > > to startup in the last 5 or 10 seconds, and implement some sort of > > waiting queue before starting additional copies, might be better. Has > > anyone ever benchmarked how long it takes to start 30 sequential > > copies > > of SOffice, vs just banging go on 30 machines at the same time? > > > > A generic app queue control might be a really good thing for making a > > K12LTSP server work better with low amounts of RAM. Or does one > > already > > exist? > > > > Sean Harbour > > How long is this taking? My server takes about 2s/client to load > OO1.1.3. I think it is a little faster to have everyone load at once > rather than sequentially because some things can be done in parallel. In > general LTSP is most productive when the server is going flat out with > no waiting. Mine does not swap so the executable stays in RAM. I use > RAID 1 so disk seeks are done in parallel, too. > > I tried an experiment today by creating a bunch of windows with xnest > and making a script to load OO for a dozen different users but I got my > xauth all messed up. I am not very good with all those parameters... As > near as I can tell it is a little faster to load in parallel. I was able > to compare two users v one user loading OO from separate clients. It was > 2s for one user and 3s for two. One has to purge existing soffice > processes to make sure the system does not simply open another window to > soffice. That just takes a second. Abiword starts a new process every > time and takes less than a second. I made a loop of thirty starts and > Abiword takes about 24s to make 30 processes and open 30 windows while > soffice takes just 30s to open 30 windows from one process because these > were all by the same user: > date>>junk;for (( f=0;f<30;f > ++));do /var/chroot32/usr/bin/oowriter&done;date>>junk; top -b -u nobody > >>junk;date > With the Abiword test, it takes a couple of seconds before significant > CPU utilization happens because stuff is being copied whereas with > soffice, the cpu runs hard immediately opening windows. Give or take a > few seconds everything could be done in less than a minute on my system. > The variation in the time it takes users to login might spread things > out a bit, though. > > Here are the CPU utilizations for soffice opening windows in 3s steps of > real time: > Wed May 3 22:39:49 CST 2006 > Wed May 3 22:39:54 CST 2006 > It took 5s to get soffice started 5 times and top started. grep id junk > gave this: > Cpu(s): 2.7% us, 0.2% sy, 0.1% ni, 96.8% id, 0.2% wa, 0.0% hi, > 0.0% si > Cpu(s): 92.7% us, 7.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, > 0.0% si > Cpu(s): 73.5% us, 16.6% sy, 0.0% ni, 5.0% id, 5.0% wa, 0.0% hi, > 0.0% si > Cpu(s): 68.3% us, 17.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 14.3% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, > 0.0% si > Cpu(s): 57.1% us, 11.9% sy, 0.0% ni, 30.4% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, > 0.3% si > Cpu(s): 67.9% us, 12.3% sy, 9.9% ni, 9.9% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, > 0.0% si > Cpu(s): 48.7% us, 9.7% sy, 16.3% ni, 18.7% id, 6.7% wa, 0.0% hi, > 0.0% si > Cpu(s): 3.0% us, 0.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 96.3% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, > 0.0% si > > > I have seen systems take 7s to load OO but they had serious bottlenecks > like not enough RAM or very slow processors. I am using AMD64 3000 with > 2gB RAM and three hard drives in RAID 1 so I am rarely busy. I am > designing a system for a new high school. I am looking at four such > processors and 6 gB of RAM for 100 users. That should be fun. > -- > A problem is an opportunity. > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 4 14:57:04 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:57:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You are not alone! We have lots of computers laying around that could be used for this, and I already have the servers configured for it, but they (administration at our local school) won't allow it to be utilized. "Throw money at it, it'll work!" seems to be the philosophy. M$ costs a *lot* of money unless you illegally pirate it (we don't here) but even with the newer versions, pirating is getting harder (GOOD! If you are going to succomb to the master, PAY HIM his due!). I am a strong advocate for K12LTSP in schools, especially with money getting tighter all the time. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 4 May 2006, Gavin Chester wrote: > (This email is written with many concepts explained that may already be > familiar to you because I am sending this as an open letter to readers from > a wide range of backgrounds and interest groups). > > I write with heavy heart and a good dose of old-fashioned rage at the > injustice meted out to the next generation. Okay, that's maybe a bit over > the top, but I encountered a ludicrous situation that came to a head today > at my local government primary school of around 75 students (K-7), located > in a rural area of Western Australia. It's under-funded and > under-resourced, as you would imagine. > > Through contacts I have in the local Linux user group (PLUG), I had tapped > into a supply of up to 15 PII PCs about to be cast-off by a large company. > They were more than happy to donate the lot, plus spares, and deliver them > more than 100km to our school. These PCs are useless for running any recent > version of Microsoft, but they are great for running Linux. I presented a > proposal to our school Principal of the concept of making use of these > computers in a teaching lab, utilising one or two of their high-end desktops > as a server. The latter part of the concept was a short-term solution and I > aimed to beg, borrow or steal a purpose-built server once I got the lab up > and running, and proven. I also was going to donate my time to setup the > system and administer it and asked nothing of the school staff in this > regard. > > Underpinning the concept was that it was to be a K12LTSP lab, since I have > been following the project for about three years and run a small setup at > home for my kids. For those who don't know, K12LTSP is an offshoot of the > LTS Project that allows low-end PCs to be used as thin (i.e., no hard drive) > clients running off a central Linux server. Another, similar Linux project > is 'Edubuntu', which is based on Ubuntu Linux, itself based on Debian Linux. > Those of you in the know will realise that there are other projects out > there that do similar things and also are tailored for an educational > setting, but K12LTSP is the one with which I am most familiar. The beauty > of any of these projects is that all the software is very worthy and it is > FREE and you get to recycle old PCs, which not only saves them from > polluting at landfill but also means that the hardware is usually FREE. > Moreover, you can run a large PC lab (30 or more PCs, or clients) with only > one server to administer instead of lots of separate PCs with their own > operating system. See these links for more information if you're not > already familiar with these software projects: > http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html > http://www.ltsp.org/ > http://www.edubuntu.org/ > > Despite being cash-strapped, the school did have some cash to spare for > incidentals so I was going to be able to buy some missing bits, like basic > networking gear. I was even prepared that the lab be isolated from the rest > of their system with no access to their existing server and internet link > (the reason for this will be soon be apparent). Well, today I was told that > thanks, but no thanks. Apparently, higher powers in head office dictate > that every computer located in any government school across the whole State > MUST run Microsoft - even if the hardware on which it runs is donated. > Also, every computer in the school must be powerful enough to run XP. It > simplifies administration and help-desk support, you see. That's despite > the fact that no one from head office ever comes near the school's PCs, and > despite the fact that the school can't afford to have more than about one > working PC for every six students in the school because of the hardware > requirements of XP. I should point out that the ratio is an estimate, since > I've only anecdotal evidence of how many PCs are used regularly in the > school. If I've erred, I believe I've been generous regarding the ratio of > students per PC. > > As you would imagine, I was aghast at being told this today. I > incredulously stated to the Principal and the school administrator that "it > is our responsibility to teach our children computing, not Microsoft". But > my pleas fell on deaf ears because they are bound by head office policy, > apparently. I don't write this open letter to serve as a means to 'vent my > spleen' and rant like some Linux zealot at a ridiculous situation. Instead, > I ask that recipients consider the implications of it and then act. If you > are able to contact someone who may have some influence, or know someone who > knows someone else who may have influence, I want to see if we might effect > a change in education policy to stop this happening in West Australian > government schools. Just where are our tax dollars being spent in > education? Into the pockets of Microsoft and Intel, I think. > > I see the use of free software and recycled hardware as another opportunity > to better our next generation, yet it is being shot down by FUD (fear, > uncertainty and doubt) emanating from the halls of (educational) power. The > teachers here at the 'coal face' don't seem to mind too much because "we > don't have to pay any licensing fees out of our budget - head office pays". > I was dumbfounded that such an attitude can exist. Contact me if you have > any ideas or similar sad stories to relate. > > Regards, > > Gavin Chester > > 962 Williams Rd (PO Box 62), Dwellingup, Western Australia. 6213. > Tel: (08) 9538 1102 > E-mail#1: mailto:sales at ecosolutions.com.au > E-mail#2: mailto:gc at gwchester.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From accessys at smart.net Thu May 4 15:05:36 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: > You are not alone! > > We have lots of computers laying around that could be used for this, and I > already have the servers configured for it, but they (administration at > our local school) won't allow it to be utilized. yeah I have a similar problem with a small BROKE parochial high school in Baltimore. one thing I have considered is an "after school computer club" that uses the "old" computers and just quietly let em run during the school day for "club" members to use in their free time..?? Bob > > "Throw money at it, it'll work!" seems to be the philosophy. > > M$ costs a *lot* of money unless you illegally pirate it (we don't here) > but even with the newer versions, pirating is getting harder (GOOD! If you > are going to succomb to the master, PAY HIM his due!). > > I am a strong advocate for K12LTSP in schools, especially with money > getting tighter all the time. > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 4 May 2006, Gavin Chester wrote: > > > (This email is written with many concepts explained that may already be > > familiar to you because I am sending this as an open letter to readers from > > a wide range of backgrounds and interest groups). > > > > I write with heavy heart and a good dose of old-fashioned rage at the > > injustice meted out to the next generation. Okay, that's maybe a bit over > > the top, but I encountered a ludicrous situation that came to a head today > > at my local government primary school of around 75 students (K-7), located > > in a rural area of Western Australia. It's under-funded and > > under-resourced, as you would imagine. > > > > Through contacts I have in the local Linux user group (PLUG), I had tapped > > into a supply of up to 15 PII PCs about to be cast-off by a large company. > > They were more than happy to donate the lot, plus spares, and deliver them > > more than 100km to our school. These PCs are useless for running any recent > > version of Microsoft, but they are great for running Linux. I presented a > > proposal to our school Principal of the concept of making use of these > > computers in a teaching lab, utilising one or two of their high-end desktops > > as a server. The latter part of the concept was a short-term solution and I > > aimed to beg, borrow or steal a purpose-built server once I got the lab up > > and running, and proven. I also was going to donate my time to setup the > > system and administer it and asked nothing of the school staff in this > > regard. > > > > Underpinning the concept was that it was to be a K12LTSP lab, since I have > > been following the project for about three years and run a small setup at > > home for my kids. For those who don't know, K12LTSP is an offshoot of the > > LTS Project that allows low-end PCs to be used as thin (i.e., no hard drive) > > clients running off a central Linux server. Another, similar Linux project > > is 'Edubuntu', which is based on Ubuntu Linux, itself based on Debian Linux. > > Those of you in the know will realise that there are other projects out > > there that do similar things and also are tailored for an educational > > setting, but K12LTSP is the one with which I am most familiar. The beauty > > of any of these projects is that all the software is very worthy and it is > > FREE and you get to recycle old PCs, which not only saves them from > > polluting at landfill but also means that the hardware is usually FREE. > > Moreover, you can run a large PC lab (30 or more PCs, or clients) with only > > one server to administer instead of lots of separate PCs with their own > > operating system. See these links for more information if you're not > > already familiar with these software projects: > > http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html > > http://www.ltsp.org/ > > http://www.edubuntu.org/ > > > > Despite being cash-strapped, the school did have some cash to spare for > > incidentals so I was going to be able to buy some missing bits, like basic > > networking gear. I was even prepared that the lab be isolated from the rest > > of their system with no access to their existing server and internet link > > (the reason for this will be soon be apparent). Well, today I was told that > > thanks, but no thanks. Apparently, higher powers in head office dictate > > that every computer located in any government school across the whole State > > MUST run Microsoft - even if the hardware on which it runs is donated. > > Also, every computer in the school must be powerful enough to run XP. It > > simplifies administration and help-desk support, you see. That's despite > > the fact that no one from head office ever comes near the school's PCs, and > > despite the fact that the school can't afford to have more than about one > > working PC for every six students in the school because of the hardware > > requirements of XP. I should point out that the ratio is an estimate, since > > I've only anecdotal evidence of how many PCs are used regularly in the > > school. If I've erred, I believe I've been generous regarding the ratio of > > students per PC. > > > > As you would imagine, I was aghast at being told this today. I > > incredulously stated to the Principal and the school administrator that "it > > is our responsibility to teach our children computing, not Microsoft". But > > my pleas fell on deaf ears because they are bound by head office policy, > > apparently. I don't write this open letter to serve as a means to 'vent my > > spleen' and rant like some Linux zealot at a ridiculous situation. Instead, > > I ask that recipients consider the implications of it and then act. If you > > are able to contact someone who may have some influence, or know someone who > > knows someone else who may have influence, I want to see if we might effect > > a change in education policy to stop this happening in West Australian > > government schools. Just where are our tax dollars being spent in > > education? Into the pockets of Microsoft and Intel, I think. > > > > I see the use of free software and recycled hardware as another opportunity > > to better our next generation, yet it is being shot down by FUD (fear, > > uncertainty and doubt) emanating from the halls of (educational) power. The > > teachers here at the 'coal face' don't seem to mind too much because "we > > don't have to pay any licensing fees out of our budget - head office pays". > > I was dumbfounded that such an attitude can exist. Contact me if you have > > any ideas or similar sad stories to relate. > > > > Regards, > > > > Gavin Chester > > > > 962 Williams Rd (PO Box 62), Dwellingup, Western Australia. 6213. > > Tel: (08) 9538 1102 > > E-mail#1: mailto:sales at ecosolutions.com.au > > E-mail#2: mailto:gc at gwchester.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO response will ever be given to anyone using earthlink.net +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 4 15:05:57 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:05:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share Message-ID: Hi guys! I can usually get samba caressed into doing what I want it to do, but I have a problem that is eluding me. It is probably simple, but I just can't get it to work. . . I have a linux/samba server and I need a share set up that will allow connections and give R/W access without requiring a login. In other words, I need this to just be a dumb share, accessible to all, writeable by all, but not requiring usernames and passwords. I will be setting the host.allow to only allow certain computers to use it, but I need this to work. What will I need in the share definitions in /etc/samba/smb.conf I have tried this an other. . . [generic] path = /samba/generic guest = yes read only = no browseable = no force create mode = 0777 and the path is set to RWX for everyone on the /samba/generic directory. Still requires a login to access the share. . . Any ideas? This is basically for a temporary place to place files to move between networks since the server in question sits between the two networks as a firewall. Thanks in advance! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 4 15:07:30 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:07:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian school In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have considered this, too, but infrastructure would have to be purchased and they'd figure out what I was up to. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 4 May 2006, Access Systems wrote: > On Thu, 4 May 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > You are not alone! > > > > We have lots of computers laying around that could be used for this, and I > > already have the servers configured for it, but they (administration at > > our local school) won't allow it to be utilized. > > yeah I have a similar problem with a small BROKE parochial high school in > Baltimore. > > one thing I have considered is an "after school computer club" that > uses the "old" computers and just quietly let em run during the school day > for "club" members to use in their free time..?? > > Bob > > > > > > "Throw money at it, it'll work!" seems to be the philosophy. > > > > M$ costs a *lot* of money unless you illegally pirate it (we don't here) > > but even with the newer versions, pirating is getting harder (GOOD! If you > > are going to succomb to the master, PAY HIM his due!). > > > > I am a strong advocate for K12LTSP in schools, especially with money > > getting tighter all the time. > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > On Thu, 4 May 2006, Gavin Chester wrote: > > > > > (This email is written with many concepts explained that may already be > > > familiar to you because I am sending this as an open letter to readers from > > > a wide range of backgrounds and interest groups). > > > > > > I write with heavy heart and a good dose of old-fashioned rage at the > > > injustice meted out to the next generation. Okay, that's maybe a bit over > > > the top, but I encountered a ludicrous situation that came to a head today > > > at my local government primary school of around 75 students (K-7), located > > > in a rural area of Western Australia. It's under-funded and > > > under-resourced, as you would imagine. > > > > > > Through contacts I have in the local Linux user group (PLUG), I had tapped > > > into a supply of up to 15 PII PCs about to be cast-off by a large company. > > > They were more than happy to donate the lot, plus spares, and deliver them > > > more than 100km to our school. These PCs are useless for running any recent > > > version of Microsoft, but they are great for running Linux. I presented a > > > proposal to our school Principal of the concept of making use of these > > > computers in a teaching lab, utilising one or two of their high-end desktops > > > as a server. The latter part of the concept was a short-term solution and I > > > aimed to beg, borrow or steal a purpose-built server once I got the lab up > > > and running, and proven. I also was going to donate my time to setup the > > > system and administer it and asked nothing of the school staff in this > > > regard. > > > > > > Underpinning the concept was that it was to be a K12LTSP lab, since I have > > > been following the project for about three years and run a small setup at > > > home for my kids. For those who don't know, K12LTSP is an offshoot of the > > > LTS Project that allows low-end PCs to be used as thin (i.e., no hard drive) > > > clients running off a central Linux server. Another, similar Linux project > > > is 'Edubuntu', which is based on Ubuntu Linux, itself based on Debian Linux. > > > Those of you in the know will realise that there are other projects out > > > there that do similar things and also are tailored for an educational > > > setting, but K12LTSP is the one with which I am most familiar. The beauty > > > of any of these projects is that all the software is very worthy and it is > > > FREE and you get to recycle old PCs, which not only saves them from > > > polluting at landfill but also means that the hardware is usually FREE. > > > Moreover, you can run a large PC lab (30 or more PCs, or clients) with only > > > one server to administer instead of lots of separate PCs with their own > > > operating system. See these links for more information if you're not > > > already familiar with these software projects: > > > http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html > > > http://www.ltsp.org/ > > > http://www.edubuntu.org/ > > > > > > Despite being cash-strapped, the school did have some cash to spare for > > > incidentals so I was going to be able to buy some missing bits, like basic > > > networking gear. I was even prepared that the lab be isolated from the rest > > > of their system with no access to their existing server and internet link > > > (the reason for this will be soon be apparent). Well, today I was told that > > > thanks, but no thanks. Apparently, higher powers in head office dictate > > > that every computer located in any government school across the whole State > > > MUST run Microsoft - even if the hardware on which it runs is donated. > > > Also, every computer in the school must be powerful enough to run XP. It > > > simplifies administration and help-desk support, you see. That's despite > > > the fact that no one from head office ever comes near the school's PCs, and > > > despite the fact that the school can't afford to have more than about one > > > working PC for every six students in the school because of the hardware > > > requirements of XP. I should point out that the ratio is an estimate, since > > > I've only anecdotal evidence of how many PCs are used regularly in the > > > school. If I've erred, I believe I've been generous regarding the ratio of > > > students per PC. > > > > > > As you would imagine, I was aghast at being told this today. I > > > incredulously stated to the Principal and the school administrator that "it > > > is our responsibility to teach our children computing, not Microsoft". But > > > my pleas fell on deaf ears because they are bound by head office policy, > > > apparently. I don't write this open letter to serve as a means to 'vent my > > > spleen' and rant like some Linux zealot at a ridiculous situation. Instead, > > > I ask that recipients consider the implications of it and then act. If you > > > are able to contact someone who may have some influence, or know someone who > > > knows someone else who may have influence, I want to see if we might effect > > > a change in education policy to stop this happening in West Australian > > > government schools. Just where are our tax dollars being spent in > > > education? Into the pockets of Microsoft and Intel, I think. > > > > > > I see the use of free software and recycled hardware as another opportunity > > > to better our next generation, yet it is being shot down by FUD (fear, > > > uncertainty and doubt) emanating from the halls of (educational) power. The > > > teachers here at the 'coal face' don't seem to mind too much because "we > > > don't have to pay any licensing fees out of our budget - head office pays". > > > I was dumbfounded that such an attitude can exist. Contact me if you have > > > any ideas or similar sad stories to relate. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Gavin Chester > > > > > > 962 Williams Rd (PO Box 62), Dwellingup, Western Australia. 6213. > > > Tel: (08) 9538 1102 > > > E-mail#1: mailto:sales at ecosolutions.com.au > > > E-mail#2: mailto:gc at gwchester.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > NO response will ever be given to anyone using earthlink.net > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu May 4 15:21:22 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:21:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Cosmetics Questions Message-ID: <200605041521.k44FLAZf001550@mx3.redhat.com> Hello List, Is it possible to change the image on the login screen that displays on the thin clients? We would like to use our school crest. Thank you Mark Sarria Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 4 15:21:49 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 08:21:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <445A1C0D.9000202@paasda.org> No way to get a windows terminal server in place and let them use Rdesktop huh?...just to show that they can run all of the windows software from the clients? --Huck Gavin Chester wrote: > (This email is written with many concepts explained that may already be > familiar to you because I am sending this as an open letter to readers from > a wide range of backgrounds and interest groups). > > I write with heavy heart and a good dose of old-fashioned rage at the > injustice meted out to the next generation. Okay, that's maybe a bit over > the top, but I encountered a ludicrous situation that came to a head today > at my local government primary school of around 75 students (K-7), located > in a rural area of Western Australia. It's under-funded and > under-resourced, as you would imagine. > > Through contacts I have in the local Linux user group (PLUG), I had tapped > into a supply of up to 15 PII PCs about to be cast-off by a large company. > They were more than happy to donate the lot, plus spares, and deliver them > more than 100km to our school. These PCs are useless for running any recent > version of Microsoft, but they are great for running Linux. I presented a > proposal to our school Principal of the concept of making use of these > computers in a teaching lab, utilising one or two of their high-end desktops > as a server. The latter part of the concept was a short-term solution and I > aimed to beg, borrow or steal a purpose-built server once I got the lab up > and running, and proven. I also was going to donate my time to setup the > system and administer it and asked nothing of the school staff in this > regard. > > Underpinning the concept was that it was to be a K12LTSP lab, since I have > been following the project for about three years and run a small setup at > home for my kids. For those who don't know, K12LTSP is an offshoot of the > LTS Project that allows low-end PCs to be used as thin (i.e., no hard drive) > clients running off a central Linux server. Another, similar Linux project > is 'Edubuntu', which is based on Ubuntu Linux, itself based on Debian Linux. > Those of you in the know will realise that there are other projects out > there that do similar things and also are tailored for an educational > setting, but K12LTSP is the one with which I am most familiar. The beauty > of any of these projects is that all the software is very worthy and it is > FREE and you get to recycle old PCs, which not only saves them from > polluting at landfill but also means that the hardware is usually FREE. > Moreover, you can run a large PC lab (30 or more PCs, or clients) with only > one server to administer instead of lots of separate PCs with their own > operating system. See these links for more information if you're not > already familiar with these software projects: > http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html > http://www.ltsp.org/ > http://www.edubuntu.org/ > > Despite being cash-strapped, the school did have some cash to spare for > incidentals so I was going to be able to buy some missing bits, like basic > networking gear. I was even prepared that the lab be isolated from the rest > of their system with no access to their existing server and internet link > (the reason for this will be soon be apparent). Well, today I was told that > thanks, but no thanks. Apparently, higher powers in head office dictate > that every computer located in any government school across the whole State > MUST run Microsoft - even if the hardware on which it runs is donated. > Also, every computer in the school must be powerful enough to run XP. It > simplifies administration and help-desk support, you see. That's despite > the fact that no one from head office ever comes near the school's PCs, and > despite the fact that the school can't afford to have more than about one > working PC for every six students in the school because of the hardware > requirements of XP. I should point out that the ratio is an estimate, since > I've only anecdotal evidence of how many PCs are used regularly in the > school. If I've erred, I believe I've been generous regarding the ratio of > students per PC. > > As you would imagine, I was aghast at being told this today. I > incredulously stated to the Principal and the school administrator that "it > is our responsibility to teach our children computing, not Microsoft". But > my pleas fell on deaf ears because they are bound by head office policy, > apparently. I don't write this open letter to serve as a means to 'vent my > spleen' and rant like some Linux zealot at a ridiculous situation. Instead, > I ask that recipients consider the implications of it and then act. If you > are able to contact someone who may have some influence, or know someone who > knows someone else who may have influence, I want to see if we might effect > a change in education policy to stop this happening in West Australian > government schools. Just where are our tax dollars being spent in > education? Into the pockets of Microsoft and Intel, I think. > > I see the use of free software and recycled hardware as another opportunity > to better our next generation, yet it is being shot down by FUD (fear, > uncertainty and doubt) emanating from the halls of (educational) power. The > teachers here at the 'coal face' don't seem to mind too much because "we > don't have to pay any licensing fees out of our budget - head office pays". > I was dumbfounded that such an attitude can exist. Contact me if you have > any ideas or similar sad stories to relate. > > Regards, > > Gavin Chester > > 962 Williams Rd (PO Box 62), Dwellingup, Western Australia. 6213. > Tel: (08) 9538 1102 > E-mail#1: mailto:sales at ecosolutions.com.au > E-mail#2: mailto:gc at gwchester.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 4 15:30:14 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 10:30:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <445A1E06.9090101@maltzen.net> You may be running into a conflict with the security=user setting, if that's what smb.conf is set to. You could change it to security=share, but that might have some negative effects on your other shares, so test it before you commit to it. Another possibility is the guest account isn't setup or the map-to-guest parameter isn't set right. I tend to use SWAT for configuring Samba, and the onscreen help for these is pretty thorough. Petre Doug Simpson wrote: > Hi guys! > > I can usually get samba caressed into doing what I want it to do, but I > have a problem that is eluding me. > > It is probably simple, but I just can't get it to work. . . > > I have a linux/samba server and I need a share set up that will allow > connections and give R/W access without requiring a login. > > In other words, I need this to just be a dumb share, accessible to all, > writeable by all, but not requiring usernames and passwords. > > I will be setting the host.allow to only allow certain computers to use > it, but I need this to work. > > What will I need in the share definitions in /etc/samba/smb.conf > > I have tried this an other. . . > > [generic] > path = /samba/generic > guest = yes > read only = no > browseable = no > force create mode = 0777 > > and the path is set to RWX for everyone on the /samba/generic directory. > > Still requires a login to access the share. . . > > Any ideas? > > This is basically for a temporary place to place files to move between > networks since the server in question sits between the two networks as a > firewall. > > Thanks in advance! > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu May 4 15:30:37 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 10:30:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 10:05, Doug Simpson wrote: > I have a linux/samba server and I need a share set up that will allow > connections and give R/W access without requiring a login. If you want completely public access you have to set security = share Otherwise it needs to identify the user at the connection level before it can even see the share that is open. > In other words, I need this to just be a dumb share, accessible to all, > writeable by all, but not requiring usernames and passwords. If 'all' really means all computers logged into a domain you can use security = server and password server = yourPDC and access will be transparent. If 'all' includes computers not in a domain, then you need to change the security level to share. > I will be setting the host.allow to only allow certain computers to use > it, but I need this to work. > > What will I need in the share definitions in /etc/samba/smb.conf > > I have tried this an other. . . > > [generic] > path = /samba/generic > guest = yes > read only = no > browseable = no > force create mode = 0777 > > and the path is set to RWX for everyone on the /samba/generic directory. > > Still requires a login to access the share. . . > > Any ideas? You also may need to have guest account = to some user that exists in the password file and you might want to add a 'force user =' to the share. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Thu May 4 15:32:07 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:32:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <20060504135505.M62043@winonacotter.org> References: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> <4458BCE1.2050904@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20060504135505.M62043@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On 5/4/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Wed, 3 May 2006 16:38:58 -0500, Burke Almquist wrote > > Check out the captive NTFS project. It works for mounting XP systems > > rw. Take a look at the SystemRescueCD. You have to mount the NTFS > > drive read-only first to get the drivers from windows, then you use > > those drivers to remount it rw. > > I took a look at captive a couple days ago. I think it needs kernel 2.6 to > work and DSL runs 2.4. Would I be better with Knoppix? Does that run a newer > kernel? Take a look at DSL-N it has a 2.6 kernel although it's not final yet. http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-n/ -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 4 15:33:14 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 10:33:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Cosmetics Questions In-Reply-To: <200605041521.k44FLAZf001550@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605041521.k44FLAZf001550@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <445A1EBA.2040809@maltzen.net> Yes: Assuming you're running Gnome, go to Desktop/System Settings/Login Screen and you can configure it under the Standard Greeter tab. Petre Mark Sarria wrote: > Hello List, > Is it possible to change the image on the login screen that displays on the > thin clients? We would like to use our school crest. > > Thank you > > Mark Sarria > Sylmar High School > LAUSD > (818) 367-0299 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Thu May 4 15:44:27 2006 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:44:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Cosmetics Questions In-Reply-To: <200605041521.k44FLAZf001550@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605041521.k44FLAZf001550@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <445A215B.90301@chelseaeagles.org> Mark Sarria wrote: > Hello List, > Is it possible to change the image on the login screen that displays on the > thin clients? We would like to use our school crest. Yes, I've done it and posted the procedure at http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose/doku.php?id=k12ltspsetup Scroll down to Changing the Picture in the Login Page. If you have any questions, let me know. Pretty straight forward. -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From robark at gmail.com Thu May 4 15:40:46 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:40:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <20060504140606.M42859@winonacotter.org> References: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> <44595B17.4020009@alltel.net> <1146716608.13822.62.camel@bofh.ltsp> <20060504140606.M42859@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On 5/4/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Wow! Thanks to everyone for the input here. I am trying to train myself and > a couple of tech to use some type of liveCD linux to troubleshoot Windows > machines. We waste a lot of time repairing Windows boxes to a state good > enough to backup/recover data. Sometimes all we want to do is save data, > other times it would be nice to quick modify a corrupt boot.ini and reboot the > machine and go home. That is why I am looking for multiple forms of access > and backup. > DSL is great I make all my CS students buy usb sticks and put DSL on them. The thin clients in the class become stand alone boxes so I can teach them some sys admin stuff in Linux. They love it. I teach them stuff like nfs, mounting local drives, ssh, scp etc.. They can even use the vnc client (to connect to the server using their usernames) or even rdp. All their work is persistent. I pitch it as "Look at my laptop" and I take out my usb stick. Huge cool factor. :) -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 4 15:46:26 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:46:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: <445A1E06.9090101@maltzen.net> References: <445A1E06.9090101@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Noted, and considered. . . security = doesn't make it do what I want. I will just about have to use it in security = server mode because the share has a root pre-exec that creates a folder in the share on-the-fly based on the user's login name as needed and then deletes it when the user logs off with a postexec. I wonder if I joined this server to the domain if it would work as expected because authentication would take place on the (Winders) server, instead of having to authenticate to the linus/samba one. . . May pursue it from that angle, too. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 4 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > You may be running into a conflict with the security=user setting, if that's what > smb.conf is set to. You could change it to security=share, but that might have some > negative effects on your other shares, so test it before you commit to it. Another > possibility is the guest account isn't setup or the map-to-guest parameter isn't set > right. I tend to use SWAT for configuring Samba, and the onscreen help for these is > pretty thorough. > > Petre > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > Hi guys! > > > > I can usually get samba caressed into doing what I want it to do, but I > > have a problem that is eluding me. > > > > It is probably simple, but I just can't get it to work. . . > > > > I have a linux/samba server and I need a share set up that will allow > > connections and give R/W access without requiring a login. > > > > In other words, I need this to just be a dumb share, accessible to all, > > writeable by all, but not requiring usernames and passwords. > > > > I will be setting the host.allow to only allow certain computers to use > > it, but I need this to work. > > > > What will I need in the share definitions in /etc/samba/smb.conf > > > > I have tried this an other. . . > > > > [generic] > > path = /samba/generic > > guest = yes > > read only = no > > browseable = no > > force create mode = 0777 > > > > and the path is set to RWX for everyone on the /samba/generic directory. > > > > Still requires a login to access the share. . . > > > > Any ideas? > > > > This is basically for a temporary place to place files to move between > > networks since the server in question sits between the two networks as a > > firewall. > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 4 15:47:39 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:47:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: I will try it this way. . . The thing I am trying to get around is the need to set up all the users on the linux/samba server just for this purpose. . . Let me try it that way. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 4 May 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 10:05, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > I have a linux/samba server and I need a share set up that will allow > > connections and give R/W access without requiring a login. > > If you want completely public access you have to set > security = share > Otherwise it needs to identify the user at the connection > level before it can even see the share that is open. > > > In other words, I need this to just be a dumb share, accessible to all, > > writeable by all, but not requiring usernames and passwords. > > If 'all' really means all computers logged into a domain you > can use > security = server > and > password server = yourPDC > and access will be transparent. > If 'all' includes computers not in a domain, then you need > to change the security level to share. > > > I will be setting the host.allow to only allow certain computers to use > > it, but I need this to work. > > > > What will I need in the share definitions in /etc/samba/smb.conf > > > > I have tried this an other. . . > > > > [generic] > > path = /samba/generic > > guest = yes > > read only = no > > browseable = no > > force create mode = 0777 > > > > and the path is set to RWX for everyone on the /samba/generic directory. > > > > Still requires a login to access the share. . . > > > > Any ideas? > > You also may need to have > guest account = > to some user that exists in the password file and you > might want to add a 'force user =' to the share. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 4 16:00:36 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:00:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: I am wanting a dumb share available without having to have usernames and passwords entered on the linux server, but still have the smb set up with security = server. . Not possible is it? I guess I will just have to add the users on the linux server. . . RATS! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 4 May 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 10:05, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > I have a linux/samba server and I need a share set up that will allow > > connections and give R/W access without requiring a login. > > If you want completely public access you have to set > security = share > Otherwise it needs to identify the user at the connection > level before it can even see the share that is open. > > > In other words, I need this to just be a dumb share, accessible to all, > > writeable by all, but not requiring usernames and passwords. > > If 'all' really means all computers logged into a domain you > can use > security = server > and > password server = yourPDC > and access will be transparent. > If 'all' includes computers not in a domain, then you need > to change the security level to share. > > > I will be setting the host.allow to only allow certain computers to use > > it, but I need this to work. > > > > What will I need in the share definitions in /etc/samba/smb.conf > > > > I have tried this an other. . . > > > > [generic] > > path = /samba/generic > > guest = yes > > read only = no > > browseable = no > > force create mode = 0777 > > > > and the path is set to RWX for everyone on the /samba/generic directory. > > > > Still requires a login to access the share. . . > > > > Any ideas? > > You also may need to have > guest account = > to some user that exists in the password file and you > might want to add a 'force user =' to the share. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 4 16:01:36 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:01:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: No deal. . . Will work on it from other angles. . . Thanks! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 4 May 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: > I will try it this way. . . The thing I am trying to get around is the > need to set up all the users on the linux/samba server just for this > purpose. . . > > Let me try it that way. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 4 May 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 10:05, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > > I have a linux/samba server and I need a share set up that will allow > > > connections and give R/W access without requiring a login. > > > > If you want completely public access you have to set > > security = share > > Otherwise it needs to identify the user at the connection > > level before it can even see the share that is open. > > > > > In other words, I need this to just be a dumb share, accessible to all, > > > writeable by all, but not requiring usernames and passwords. > > > > If 'all' really means all computers logged into a domain you > > can use > > security = server > > and > > password server = yourPDC > > and access will be transparent. > > If 'all' includes computers not in a domain, then you need > > to change the security level to share. > > > > > I will be setting the host.allow to only allow certain computers to use > > > it, but I need this to work. > > > > > > What will I need in the share definitions in /etc/samba/smb.conf > > > > > > I have tried this an other. . . > > > > > > [generic] > > > path = /samba/generic > > > guest = yes > > > read only = no > > > browseable = no > > > force create mode = 0777 > > > > > > and the path is set to RWX for everyone on the /samba/generic directory. > > > > > > Still requires a login to access the share. . . > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > You also may need to have > > guest account = > > to some user that exists in the password file and you > > might want to add a 'force user =' to the share. > > > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu May 4 16:08:02 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:08:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1146758882.17312.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 11:00, Doug Simpson wrote: > I am wanting a dumb share available without having to have usernames and > passwords entered on the linux server, but still have the smb set up with > security = server. . > > Not possible is it? > > I guess I will just have to add the users on the linux server. . . RATS! I think if you use winbindd authentication on the linux side the users would be there automatically. Otherwise all you need is the 'adduser' step. You don't have to assign passwords on the Linux side. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 4 16:09:45 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:09:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Is there a way to make samba add users on-the-fly as needed including password? If so, I could set that up and when they logged in it would create their account. And, if it can be set to creat-on-the-fly, then it should be able to be set to delete-on-the-fly as well, cleaning up whatever mess that is created by the user when they were on there. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 4 May 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: > I will try it this way. . . The thing I am trying to get around is the > need to set up all the users on the linux/samba server just for this > purpose. . . > > Let me try it that way. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 4 May 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 10:05, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > > I have a linux/samba server and I need a share set up that will allow > > > connections and give R/W access without requiring a login. > > > > If you want completely public access you have to set > > security = share > > Otherwise it needs to identify the user at the connection > > level before it can even see the share that is open. > > > > > In other words, I need this to just be a dumb share, accessible to all, > > > writeable by all, but not requiring usernames and passwords. > > > > If 'all' really means all computers logged into a domain you > > can use > > security = server > > and > > password server = yourPDC > > and access will be transparent. > > If 'all' includes computers not in a domain, then you need > > to change the security level to share. > > > > > I will be setting the host.allow to only allow certain computers to use > > > it, but I need this to work. > > > > > > What will I need in the share definitions in /etc/samba/smb.conf > > > > > > I have tried this an other. . . > > > > > > [generic] > > > path = /samba/generic > > > guest = yes > > > read only = no > > > browseable = no > > > force create mode = 0777 > > > > > > and the path is set to RWX for everyone on the /samba/generic directory. > > > > > > Still requires a login to access the share. . . > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > You also may need to have > > guest account = > > to some user that exists in the password file and you > > might want to add a 'force user =' to the share. > > > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 4 16:11:57 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:11:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: <1146758882.17312.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146758882.17312.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: So if I put adduser in there on the share using root preexec then it will create the unix account and that will allow samba to connect and use a share created by the user withh adduser? Don't you have to run smbpasswd -a also? I will try it with just adduser first and see what happens. . . Thanks! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 4 May 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 11:00, Doug Simpson wrote: > > I am wanting a dumb share available without having to have usernames and > > passwords entered on the linux server, but still have the smb set up with > > security = server. . > > > > Not possible is it? > > > > I guess I will just have to add the users on the linux server. . . RATS! > > I think if you use winbindd authentication on the linux side > the users would be there automatically. Otherwise all you > need is the 'adduser' step. You don't have to assign passwords > on the Linux side. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Thu May 4 16:16:29 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:16:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/4/06, Gavin Chester wrote: > (This email is written with many concepts explained that may already be > familiar to you because I am sending this as an open letter to readers from > a wide range of backgrounds and interest groups). > I have 2 comments: 1) This is a prime example why it's important to EDUCATE our youth regarding Linux and OSS. 2) When I deployed k12ltsp I left WinNT on the drives of the clients. Nobody uses it but this satisfied people who still wanted Windows on the boxes. If you still want to boot from the HD just make a tiny partition for booting k12ltp -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 4 16:19:29 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:19:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146758882.17312.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <445A2991.9000506@paasda.org> a quote from Ch. 4 of the 'Using Samba' book from O'Reilly. add user script: There are two ways in which add user script can be used. When the Samba server is set up as a PDC, it can be assigned to a command that will run on the Samba server to add a Win NT/2k/XP computer acct to Samba's passwd db. When the user on the Win System changes the computer's settings to join a domain, he is asked for the username and password of a user who has admin rights on the domain controller. Samba auths this user and then runs the 'add user script' with root perms. When Samba is configured as a domain member server, the 'add user script' can be assigned to a command to add a user to the system. This allows Win clients to add users that can access shares on the Samba system without requiring an admin to create the account manually on the Samba host. delete user script: There are times when users are automatically delted from the domain, and the 'delte user script' can be assigned to a command that removes a user from the Samba host as a Win server would do. However, you might not want this to happen because the Unix user might need the acct for reasons other than use with Samba, so be careful. Not sure how helpful that is... but that's what the book says ;) --Huck caveat...I use the first method of the 'add user script' to add machines to the domain...but the users already exist in my scenario they aren't dynamically created and deleted. Doug Simpson wrote: > So if I put adduser in there on the share using root preexec then it will > create the unix account and that will allow samba to connect and use a > share created by the user withh adduser? > > Don't you have to run smbpasswd -a also? > > I will try it with just adduser first and see what happens. . . > > Thanks! > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 4 May 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 11:00, Doug Simpson wrote: >>> I am wanting a dumb share available without having to have usernames and >>> passwords entered on the linux server, but still have the smb set up with >>> security = server. . >>> >>> Not possible is it? >>> >>> I guess I will just have to add the users on the linux server. . . RATS! >> I think if you use winbindd authentication on the linux side >> the users would be there automatically. Otherwise all you >> need is the 'adduser' step. You don't have to assign passwords >> on the Linux side. >> >> -- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robark at gmail.com Thu May 4 16:23:19 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:23:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba PDC article Message-ID: Thought people on the list might find this interesting. ======snip===== Learn about using a UNIX system as a primary domain controller (PDC) and file repository, including an anonymous, read-only shared area accessible by anyone with a Web browser. To be a good citizen on your local network, you need to integrate your favorite UNIX system with the networking features of client systems, generally running Windows XP or Mac OS X. This makes it easier for the users of those workstations to take advantage of the centralized authentication and storage facilities you can provide. =======snip====== http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-unixothers/?ca=dgr-lnxw07Unix4WinMAc -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu May 4 16:25:44 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:25:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover Office - K12ltsp Message-ID: <200605041626.k44GQ0ae020368@mx3.redhat.com> Hello List, I have crossover office server version installed (Demo version of course) on a sand box server. I am able to open windows application like word and excel on the server, but can not open the application on my thin clients. The Windows Application folder is available in the menu, and I click on the word icon to open access the program, but nothing happens. Any suggestions? Mark Sarria Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 From les at futuresource.com Thu May 4 16:26:38 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:26:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146758882.17312.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1146759998.17312.40.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 11:11, Doug Simpson wrote: > So if I put adduser in there on the share using root preexec then it will > create the unix account and that will allow samba to connect and use a > share created by the user withh adduser? > > Don't you have to run smbpasswd -a also? That's to save a samba-compatible version of the password. It is not necessary if you are using 'password server = somePDC'. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 4 16:27:59 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:27:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: References: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> <44595B17.4020009@alltel.net> <1146716608.13822.62.camel@bofh.ltsp> <20060504140606.M42859@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060504162555.M21035@winonacotter.org> > DSL is great I make all my CS students buy usb sticks and put DSL on > them. The thin clients in the class become stand alone boxes so I can > teach them some sys admin stuff in Linux. They love it. I teach them > stuff like nfs, mounting local drives, ssh, scp etc.. They can even > use the vnc client (to connect to the server using their usernames) > or even rdp. All their work is persistent. I pitch it as "Look at > my laptop" and I take out my usb stick. Huge cool factor. :) I will check out the DSL-N. I have been unsuccessful booting from usb. Do you have any instructions? Maybe my hardware just isn't new enough to support it. At this point I was able to do everything I need in Knoppix after adding captive-nfs. Very slick. But I really like the speed of DSL and the ability to customize everthing and store those changes on USB. Maybe the DSL-N is what I need. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 4 16:28:38 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:28:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: <445A2991.9000506@paasda.org> References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146758882.17312.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <445A2991.9000506@paasda.org> Message-ID: I will try to go this route. . .Don't have O'Reilly's book, but do have another samba manual from someone else. . .Somewhere around here. . . May visit samba.org, too. . . Thanks for all your help guys! I'll leave you alone with it now. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 4 May 2006, Huck wrote: > a quote from Ch. 4 of the 'Using Samba' book from O'Reilly. > > add user script: > > There are two ways in which add user script can be used. When the Samba > server is set up as a PDC, it can be assigned to a command that will run > on the Samba server to add a Win NT/2k/XP computer acct to Samba's > passwd db. When the user on the Win System changes the computer's > settings to join a domain, he is asked for the username and password of > a user who has admin rights on the domain controller. Samba auths this > user and then runs the 'add user script' with root perms. > > When Samba is configured as a domain member server, the 'add user > script' can be assigned to a command to add a user to the system. This > allows Win clients to add users that can access shares on the Samba > system without requiring an admin to create the account manually on the > Samba host. > > delete user script: > > There are times when users are automatically delted from the domain, and > the 'delte user script' can be assigned to a command that removes a user > from the Samba host as a Win server would do. However, you might not > want this to happen because the Unix user might need the acct for > reasons other than use with Samba, so be careful. > > > Not sure how helpful that is... but that's what the book says ;) > > --Huck > caveat...I use the first method of the 'add user script' to add machines > to the domain...but the users already exist in my scenario they aren't > dynamically created and deleted. > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > So if I put adduser in there on the share using root preexec then it will > > create the unix account and that will allow samba to connect and use a > > share created by the user withh adduser? > > > > Don't you have to run smbpasswd -a also? > > > > I will try it with just adduser first and see what happens. . . > > > > Thanks! > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > On Thu, 4 May 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 11:00, Doug Simpson wrote: > >>> I am wanting a dumb share available without having to have usernames and > >>> passwords entered on the linux server, but still have the smb set up with > >>> security = server. . > >>> > >>> Not possible is it? > >>> > >>> I guess I will just have to add the users on the linux server. . . RATS! > >> I think if you use winbindd authentication on the linux side > >> the users would be there automatically. Otherwise all you > >> need is the 'adduser' step. You don't have to assign passwords > >> on the Linux side. > >> > >> -- > >> Les Mikesell > >> les at futuresource.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu May 4 16:29:15 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:29:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover Office - K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <200605041626.k44GQ0ae020368@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605041626.k44GQ0ae020368@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <445A2BDB.5020903@rogueriver.k12.or.us> What do the logs say? It's entirely possible that you need to muck about with the LTSP kernel to get this working... Mark Sarria wrote: > Hello List, > > I have crossover office server version installed (Demo version of course) on > a sand box server. I am able to open windows application like word and excel > on the server, but can not open the application on my thin clients. The > Windows Application folder is available in the menu, and I click on the word > icon to open access the program, but nothing happens. > > Any suggestions? > > Mark Sarria > Sylmar High School > LAUSD > (818) 367-0299 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 4 16:32:21 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:32:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146758882.17312.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <445A2991.9000506@paasda.org> Message-ID: <445A2C95.7090305@paasda.org> http://www.faqs.org/docs/samba/ch04.html it's online for free :) 2nd edition anyway...happy reading! --Huck Doug Simpson wrote: > I will try to go this route. . .Don't have O'Reilly's book, but do have > another samba manual from someone else. . .Somewhere around here. . . > > May visit samba.org, too. . . > > Thanks for all your help guys! > > I'll leave you alone with it now. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 4 May 2006, Huck wrote: > >> a quote from Ch. 4 of the 'Using Samba' book from O'Reilly. >> >> add user script: >> >> There are two ways in which add user script can be used. When the Samba >> server is set up as a PDC, it can be assigned to a command that will run >> on the Samba server to add a Win NT/2k/XP computer acct to Samba's >> passwd db. When the user on the Win System changes the computer's >> settings to join a domain, he is asked for the username and password of >> a user who has admin rights on the domain controller. Samba auths this >> user and then runs the 'add user script' with root perms. >> >> When Samba is configured as a domain member server, the 'add user >> script' can be assigned to a command to add a user to the system. This >> allows Win clients to add users that can access shares on the Samba >> system without requiring an admin to create the account manually on the >> Samba host. >> >> delete user script: >> >> There are times when users are automatically delted from the domain, and >> the 'delte user script' can be assigned to a command that removes a user >> from the Samba host as a Win server would do. However, you might not >> want this to happen because the Unix user might need the acct for >> reasons other than use with Samba, so be careful. >> >> >> Not sure how helpful that is... but that's what the book says ;) >> >> --Huck >> caveat...I use the first method of the 'add user script' to add machines >> to the domain...but the users already exist in my scenario they aren't >> dynamically created and deleted. >> >> Doug Simpson wrote: >>> So if I put adduser in there on the share using root preexec then it will >>> create the unix account and that will allow samba to connect and use a >>> share created by the user withh adduser? >>> >>> Don't you have to run smbpasswd -a also? >>> >>> I will try it with just adduser first and see what happens. . . >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Doug Simpson >>> Technology Specialist >>> DeQueen Public Schools >>> DeQueen, AR 71832 >>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Tux for President! >>> >>> On Thu, 4 May 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 11:00, Doug Simpson wrote: >>>>> I am wanting a dumb share available without having to have usernames and >>>>> passwords entered on the linux server, but still have the smb set up with >>>>> security = server. . >>>>> >>>>> Not possible is it? >>>>> >>>>> I guess I will just have to add the users on the linux server. . . RATS! >>>> I think if you use winbindd authentication on the linux side >>>> the users would be there automatically. Otherwise all you >>>> need is the 'adduser' step. You don't have to assign passwords >>>> on the Linux side. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Les Mikesell >>>> les at futuresource.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 4 16:33:30 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:33:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: <1146759998.17312.40.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146758882.17312.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146759998.17312.40.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Ok, thanks. . . that didn't work, either, though. . . Still working on it. . . I will post to the list when I get it working how I did it for those interested. . . I will also explain the purpose for all this when I get it working and you'll hopefully understand it. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 4 May 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 11:11, Doug Simpson wrote: > > So if I put adduser in there on the share using root preexec then it will > > create the unix account and that will allow samba to connect and use a > > share created by the user withh adduser? > > > > Don't you have to run smbpasswd -a also? > > That's to save a samba-compatible version of the password. It > is not necessary if you are using 'password server = somePDC'. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 4 16:36:57 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:36:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <445A2DA9.6040104@maltzen.net> Before you get too far away from your original plan, I think you might be able to have a wide-open share with security=server, as I just tried it on my RH8/Samba 2.2.7 box and it worked. The key was setting the 'map to guest' parameter to Bad Password (and making sure you have the guest/nobody account all setup). The default for 'map to guest' is Never, meaning if a invalid PW is submitted, the request is rejected. Changing it to Bad Password means it will then map the request to guest which should allow access to the share. There is a caveat: Since this setting is global, not at the share level, I'm not sure what it will do for homedir access. And the SWAT help adds this caution: "Note that this can cause problems as it means that any user incorrectly typing their password will be silently logged on as "guest" - and will not know the reason they cannot access files they think they should - there will have been no message given to them that they got their password wrong. Helpdesk services will hate you if you set the map to guest parameter this way :-)." But it may do what you want. HTH. Petre Doug Simpson wrote: > No deal. . . > > Will work on it from other angles. . . > > Thanks! > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 4 May 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: > >> I will try it this way. . . The thing I am trying to get around is the >> need to set up all the users on the linux/samba server just for this >> purpose. . . >> >> Let me try it that way. . . >> >> Doug Simpson >> Technology Specialist >> DeQueen Public Schools >> DeQueen, AR 71832 >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> Tux for President! >> >> On Thu, 4 May 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 10:05, Doug Simpson wrote: >>> >>>> I have a linux/samba server and I need a share set up that will allow >>>> connections and give R/W access without requiring a login. >>> If you want completely public access you have to set >>> security = share >>> Otherwise it needs to identify the user at the connection >>> level before it can even see the share that is open. >>> >>>> In other words, I need this to just be a dumb share, accessible to all, >>>> writeable by all, but not requiring usernames and passwords. >>> If 'all' really means all computers logged into a domain you >>> can use >>> security = server >>> and >>> password server = yourPDC >>> and access will be transparent. >>> If 'all' includes computers not in a domain, then you need >>> to change the security level to share. >>> >>>> I will be setting the host.allow to only allow certain computers to use >>>> it, but I need this to work. >>>> >>>> What will I need in the share definitions in /etc/samba/smb.conf >>>> >>>> I have tried this an other. . . >>>> >>>> [generic] >>>> path = /samba/generic >>>> guest = yes >>>> read only = no >>>> browseable = no >>>> force create mode = 0777 >>>> >>>> and the path is set to RWX for everyone on the /samba/generic directory. >>>> >>>> Still requires a login to access the share. . . >>>> >>>> Any ideas? >>> You also may need to have >>> guest account = >>> to some user that exists in the password file and you >>> might want to add a 'force user =' to the share. >>> >>> -- >>> Les Mikesell >>> les at futuresource.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu May 4 16:40:59 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:40:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146758882.17312.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146759998.17312.40.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1146760858.17312.48.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 11:33, Doug Simpson wrote: > Ok, thanks. . . that didn't work, either, though. . . > > Still working on it. . . Can you be more specific about what doesn't work? If you set: security = server and password server = yourPDC Samba should allow anyone who has a linux account and a domain account of the same name to log in with their domain password. Failed attempts should be logged under /var/log/samba/. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Thu May 4 16:44:32 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:44:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <20060504162555.M21035@winonacotter.org> References: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> <44595B17.4020009@alltel.net> <1146716608.13822.62.camel@bofh.ltsp> <20060504140606.M42859@winonacotter.org> <20060504162555.M21035@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On 5/4/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > DSL is great I make all my CS students buy usb sticks and put DSL on > > them. The thin clients in the class become stand alone boxes so I can > > teach them some sys admin stuff in Linux. They love it. I teach them > > stuff like nfs, mounting local drives, ssh, scp etc.. They can even > > use the vnc client (to connect to the server using their usernames) > > or even rdp. All their work is persistent. I pitch it as "Look at > > my laptop" and I take out my usb stick. Huge cool factor. :) > > I will check out the DSL-N. I have been unsuccessful booting from usb. Do > you have any instructions? Maybe my hardware just isn't new enough to support it. > > At this point I was able to do everything I need in Knoppix after adding > captive-nfs. Very slick. But I really like the speed of DSL and the ability > to customize everthing and store those changes on USB. Maybe the DSL-N is > what I need. If using usb sticks DSL-N is really meant for newer machines that have the bios boot option USB-HDD. Old boxes don't have this boot option. Regular DSL has the ability to boot the usb stick from a boot floppy which has the kernel on it. While running DSL right click on desktop and (I think) under tools find make usb boot floppy. The problem with DSL-N is that the 2.6 kernel is too big to fit on a floppy. For the sys admin stuff you are doing I think knoppix may be better. But for kids DSL is great on old client boxes. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu May 4 16:58:20 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:58:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool and vnc in ltsp4.2 In-Reply-To: <44591CBE.6060109@maltzen.net> References: <4458B0E8.5050306@maehlum.net> <44539.68.250.145.129.1146665876.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <4458CF7D.4060404@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44591CBE.6060109@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560605040958j71db43a6s4bc5b1cb8dd05e79@mail.gmail.com> > Even if you don't ask, I'll put in my two cents: YES, I want the Monitor & Control. And > thanks for all the work you're putting into this. It's a great tool. Here here!!! We love it, thank you! Peter On 5/3/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > I may ask the list how many people would the like Monitor and Control > > feature to get a sense of the demand. > > -- > Even if you don't ask, I'll put in my two cents: YES, I want the Monitor & Control. And > thanks for all the work you're putting into this. It's a great tool. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Thu May 4 16:59:44 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060504165944.39717.qmail@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Doug, I think I once read in some Samba documentation that it's possible to configure Samba in its smb.conf to run two file servers on one machine. If this is possible, perhaps you could then configure the second file server with the "security=share" option. David Whitmer Media and Technology Director Calvary Schools of Holland ----- Original Message ---- From: Doug Simpson To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2006 12:33:30 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] open samba share Ok, thanks. . . that didn't work, either, though. . . Still working on it. . . I will post to the list when I get it working how I did it for those interested. . . I will also explain the purpose for all this when I get it working and you'll hopefully understand it. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu May 4 17:01:03 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 01:01:03 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Gavin Chester >Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:11 >To: Gavin Chester >Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools > > >(This email is written with many concepts explained that may already be >familiar to you because I am sending this as an open letter to >readers from >a wide range of backgrounds and interest groups). Thanks for the empathic and helpful responses to my previously posted open letter. A lead from my local Linux user group put me onto a State govt. authority that was recently established to encourage other govt. depts. to consider FOSS. This group is called 'OpenSource WA' http://www.opensource.wa.gov.au/ To quote from their website: "OpenSource WA is an economic development initiative of the Western Australian Department of Industry and Resources ... The Department of Industry and Resources has commenced a number of initiatives to maximise the use of innovative software applications within Western Australia. These initiatives include: * Working in partnership with other key government agencies to investigate the potential opportunities afforded by the use of innovative software systems to drive interoperability and other efficiencies; * Establishing the Open Source Demonstration Centre within the Innovation Centre at Technology Park, Bentley. This centre provides an environment where software users and developers can evaluate both proprietary and Open Source software." I have emailed key people within and associated with this authority asking their advice on influencing the Dept of Education into considering FOSS in their curriculum, or at least finding out if the official position is tolerant of independent FOSS initiatives in schools. I will report further if this gets a foot in the door in West Australian education. Bring it on ;-) Regards, Gavin Chester 962 Williams Rd (PO Box 62), Dwellingup, Western Australia. 6213. Tel: (08) 9538 1102 E-mail#1: mailto:sales at ecosolutions.com.au E-mail#2: mailto:gc at gwchester.com From robark at gmail.com Thu May 4 17:13:54 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:13:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/4/06, Gavin Chester wrote: > (This email is written with many concepts explained that may already be > familiar to you because I am sending this as an open letter to readers from > a wide range of backgrounds and interest groups). I forgot! Gavin you may have some help from these guys in Australia. They have published a fantastic pdf of FOSS here http://www.osv.org.au/index.cgi?tid=155 http://www.osv.org.au/index.cgi?tid=1 Open Source Victoria is an Industry Cluster consisting of over 80 Victorian firms and developers which provide services and technology related to Free and Open Source Software (FOSS.) Open Source Victoria offers marketing, advocacy and information referral services, and aims to raise the profile of FOSS in Victoria and work with other similar organisations across *Australia*. OSV believes that Open Source technologies are able to deliver the best value-for-money platform and application software available. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu May 4 16:37:33 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:37:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover Office - K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <445A2BDB.5020903@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200605041715.k44HFLLN012494@mx1.redhat.com> Where would the log file be located? I looked in the /opt/cxoffice and did not find any logs there. Mark Sarria Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Ely [mailto:mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:29 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Crossover Office - K12ltsp What do the logs say? It's entirely possible that you need to muck about with the LTSP kernel to get this working... Mark Sarria wrote: > Hello List, > > I have crossover office server version installed (Demo version of course) on > a sand box server. I am able to open windows application like word and excel > on the server, but can not open the application on my thin clients. The > Windows Application folder is available in the menu, and I click on the word > icon to open access the program, but nothing happens. > > Any suggestions? > > Mark Sarria > Sylmar High School > LAUSD > (818) 367-0299 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jwhite at codeweavers.com Thu May 4 17:35:21 2006 From: jwhite at codeweavers.com (Jeremy White) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:35:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover Office - K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <200605041715.k44HFLLN012494@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200605041715.k44HFLLN012494@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <445A3B59.6020900@codeweavers.com> Hi Mark, You might also want to snag a demo version of CrossOver Pro, as that will work fine with LTSP, so long as you kick it into 'managed multi user mode'. You'll need to write us directly at sales at codeweavers.com to ask for the demo, but we'll supply it cheerfully. Also, if you're using FC5, you'll want to wait a few weeks and get a rev to 5.0.3 of CrossOver; FC5 has a kernel vm split that does nasty and bad things to Wine. Cheers, Jeremy Mark Sarria wrote: > Where would the log file be located? > > I looked in the /opt/cxoffice and did not find any logs there. > > Mark Sarria > Sylmar High School > LAUSD > (818) 367-0299 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Ely [mailto:mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us] > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:29 AM > To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in > schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Crossover Office - K12ltsp > > What do the logs say? It's entirely possible that you need to muck > about with the LTSP kernel to get this working... > > Mark Sarria wrote: > >>Hello List, >> >>I have crossover office server version installed (Demo version of course) > > on > >>a sand box server. I am able to open windows application like word and > > excel > >>on the server, but can not open the application on my thin clients. The >>Windows Application folder is available in the menu, and I click on the > > word > >>icon to open access the program, but nothing happens. >> >>Any suggestions? >> >>Mark Sarria >>Sylmar High School >>LAUSD >>(818) 367-0299 >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu May 4 18:02:10 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover Office - K12ltsp Message-ID: <30402205.2771146765730903.JavaMail.root@mail> Most linux programs put their logfiles in /var/log/ Cheers, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sarria To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2006 9:37:33 AM GMT-0800 Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Crossover Office - K12ltsp Where would the log file be located? I looked in the /opt/cxoffice and did not find any logs there. Mark Sarria Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Ely [mailto:mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:29 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Crossover Office - K12ltsp What do the logs say? It's entirely possible that you need to muck about with the LTSP kernel to get this working... Mark Sarria wrote: > Hello List, > > I have crossover office server version installed (Demo version of course) on > a sand box server. I am able to open windows application like word and excel > on the server, but can not open the application on my thin clients. The > Windows Application folder is available in the menu, and I click on the word > icon to open access the program, but nothing happens. > > Any suggestions? > > Mark Sarria > Sylmar High School > LAUSD > (818) 367-0299 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robert.pogson at gmail.com Thu May 4 19:18:10 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:18:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools In-Reply-To: <20060504160040.96CC673C62@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060504160040.96CC673C62@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1146770290.24796.59.camel@beast> I teach in a different place almost every year and travel with my server, a switch, and cables. I dust off the rejects piled up in storage and run my classroom. Usually no one asks and I do not tell. Two years ago, I wired all the classrooms in the high school (it was only two rooms...) and the students left the regular XP lab to the K-9 students. Last year was a disaster, though. Another school had just converted to XP and they went out of their way to make LTSP difficult in the lab. I had to reconfigure my networking twice to keep things going. At one point they introduced a 30 s delay to clients that switched on. I was getting DHCP timeouts... I was using ThinStation with busybox and no adjustable wait (fixed 10s) so I had to change all my boot discs, my DHCP server and routing. On top of that techs had to travel 300 miles for service and could not keep the lab machines going. They were locked and I had no key. I used 10 year old PCs as clients to fill the gap. On top of that all the XP clients in the school had unreliable logins and difficulty printing so I was doing two jobs. I finally quit. This year I am planning to go to a school just built and having a budget already set for XP. At the interview I suggested we could double the number of clients for the same money and have all the bells and whistles... I should know today whether I have the contract for consulting and teaching in the new school. On this point, I think smaller is better. There is just less inertia in the system. Techs who manage more than a thousand PCs do not want to manage 900 XP machines and 100 Linux boxes. I usually can dual boot a lab with a boot disc for my classes with LTSP and the default is XP. The point that XP was obsolete when it was introduced and no replacement in sight is having some weight. This is the year for Linux opportunities and it will only get better as tax payers and governments become more aware of Linux. 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I am familiar with the laws and how they are applied, but I am not a programmer so am left searching for what little is avaliable, and it isn't much. "special ed" is a lucrative market and the software is expensive and limited but there is almost nothing in FOSS. before we can expect many public school systems or governments to adopt open source this issue has to be addressed. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu May 4 18:26:48 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools Message-ID: <3349071.2931146767208799.JavaMail.root@mail> Yowch. I'm listening to all these sob stories, and it makes me really grateful for what I have. I inherited a network in a small rural school district that already ran linux at the backend: our domain is an NT-style samba domain running on a debian box. Our mail/groupware server runs linux. So do our fileservers. The LTSP lab was a natural extension of that. Much of the above was a matter of neccessity: we can't afford to pay Microsoft or Novell for their servers - not when you factor in the cost of CALs, and the inevitable upgrades that would be required. Plus, I don't have to administer Exchange anymore! You have no idea how nice this is for me. I suspect Robert was spot-on when he stated that "small is better." In this district, I answer directly to the Superintendent of Schools, who would be the first to admit that he knows little about computers. What this means for me is that so long as things work, the question of how they work is up to me. Just a thought for those of you who may be job-hunting... Cheers, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: pogson To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2006 12:18:10 PM GMT-0800 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools I teach in a different place almost every year and travel with my server, a switch, and cables. I dust off the rejects piled up in storage and run my classroom. Usually no one asks and I do not tell. Two years ago, I wired all the classrooms in the high school (it was only two rooms...) and the students left the regular XP lab to the K-9 students. Last year was a disaster, though. Another school had just converted to XP and they went out of their way to make LTSP difficult in the lab. I had to reconfigure my networking twice to keep things going. At one point they introduced a 30 s delay to clients that switched on. I was getting DHCP timeouts... I was using ThinStation with busybox and no adjustable wait (fixed 10s) so I had to change all my boot discs, my DHCP server and routing. On top of that techs had to travel 300 miles for service and could not keep the lab machines going. They were locked and I had no key. I used 10 year old PCs as clients to fill the gap. On top of that all the XP clients in the school had unreliable logins and difficulty printing so I was doing two jobs. I finally quit. This year I am planning to go to a school just built and having a budget already set for XP. At the interview I suggested we could double the number of clients for the same money and have all the bells and whistles... I should know today whether I have the contract for consulting and teaching in the new school. On this point, I think smaller is better. There is just less inertia in the system. Techs who manage more than a thousand PCs do not want to manage 900 XP machines and 100 Linux boxes. I usually can dual boot a lab with a boot disc for my classes with LTSP and the default is XP. The point that XP was obsolete when it was introduced and no replacement in sight is having some weight. This is the year for Linux opportunities and it will only get better as tax payers and governments become more aware of Linux. School systems will be dragged into the 21st C. -- A problem is an opportunity. From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu May 4 18:39:58 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:39:58 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1852.199.216.98.50.1146767998.squirrel@199.216.98.50> Dear all, After having read all the comments, I have a few comments to counter the rage. First, I have already setup 3 LTSP labs in this school Division. They run well. They save us a swack of cash. BUT they are not a complete solution. There are still Windows apps that we must run. They do little for our audio/video editing users. They run on old hardware that physically dies and has to be constantly rotated ... speak you need a constant supply of old stuff to keep the labs running. Generally that is not a problem, EXCEPT it takes time and support. And that brings one of the primary arguments for single platform networks - support. Not all places have the support time and know-how to setup and run Linux. Remember the initial cost of the computer is only about 50% of the total cost of ownership. Support costs contribute significantly to a large fleet of computers. That is the magic touch that managers are trying to get by demanding a single platform environment. This is not Microsoft's fault. It is the fact that there are many developers/manufacturers that will not port their software to Linux. They won't until Linux becomes dominant on the desktop - which will not happen until they start to develop for Linux ... and around and around we go. Fortunately my school division is open to using FOSS and has allowed LTSP to thrive in a few cases. (They have also played with Sun terminals, but wish they had stuck with LTSP instead of Sun terminals ... more options on the Linux platform.) We are also moving to standardize more ... away from multiple OS & platforms to a more unified environment. Having to support Windows, Novell, Mac OS X/9/8/7, Solaris, Linux, OpenBSD & AS\400 I understand the extra effort, time and cost that this precludes to get so many different platforms to inter-operate. So although I feel you pain, I also understand the direction of large environments to go single platform. Joe Guenther On Thu, May 4, 2006 3:10 am, Gavin Chester said: > (This email is written with many concepts explained that may already be > familiar to you because I am sending this as an open letter to readers > from > a wide range of backgrounds and interest groups). > > I write with heavy heart and a good dose of old-fashioned rage at the > injustice meted out to the next generation. Okay, that's maybe a bit over > the top, but I encountered a ludicrous situation that came to a head today > at my local government primary school of around 75 students (K-7), located > in a rural area of Western Australia. It's under-funded and > under-resourced, as you would imagine. > > Through contacts I have in the local Linux user group (PLUG), I had tapped > into a supply of up to 15 PII PCs about to be cast-off by a large company. > They were more than happy to donate the lot, plus spares, and deliver them > more than 100km to our school. These PCs are useless for running any > recent > version of Microsoft, but they are great for running Linux. I presented a > proposal to our school Principal of the concept of making use of these > computers in a teaching lab, utilising one or two of their high-end > desktops > as a server. The latter part of the concept was a short-term solution and > I > aimed to beg, borrow or steal a purpose-built server once I got the lab up > and running, and proven. I also was going to donate my time to setup the > system and administer it and asked nothing of the school staff in this > regard. > > Underpinning the concept was that it was to be a K12LTSP lab, since I have > been following the project for about three years and run a small setup at > home for my kids. For those who don't know, K12LTSP is an offshoot of the > LTS Project that allows low-end PCs to be used as thin (i.e., no hard > drive) > clients running off a central Linux server. Another, similar Linux > project > is 'Edubuntu', which is based on Ubuntu Linux, itself based on Debian > Linux. > Those of you in the know will realise that there are other projects out > there that do similar things and also are tailored for an educational > setting, but K12LTSP is the one with which I am most familiar. The beauty > of any of these projects is that all the software is very worthy and it is > FREE and you get to recycle old PCs, which not only saves them from > polluting at landfill but also means that the hardware is usually FREE. > Moreover, you can run a large PC lab (30 or more PCs, or clients) with > only > one server to administer instead of lots of separate PCs with their own > operating system. See these links for more information if you're not > already familiar with these software projects: > http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html > http://www.ltsp.org/ > http://www.edubuntu.org/ > > Despite being cash-strapped, the school did have some cash to spare for > incidentals so I was going to be able to buy some missing bits, like basic > networking gear. I was even prepared that the lab be isolated from the > rest > of their system with no access to their existing server and internet link > (the reason for this will be soon be apparent). Well, today I was told > that > thanks, but no thanks. Apparently, higher powers in head office dictate > that every computer located in any government school across the whole > State > MUST run Microsoft - even if the hardware on which it runs is donated. > Also, every computer in the school must be powerful enough to run XP. It > simplifies administration and help-desk support, you see. That's despite > the fact that no one from head office ever comes near the school's PCs, > and > despite the fact that the school can't afford to have more than about one > working PC for every six students in the school because of the hardware > requirements of XP. I should point out that the ratio is an estimate, > since > I've only anecdotal evidence of how many PCs are used regularly in the > school. If I've erred, I believe I've been generous regarding the ratio > of > students per PC. > > As you would imagine, I was aghast at being told this today. I > incredulously stated to the Principal and the school administrator that > "it > is our responsibility to teach our children computing, not Microsoft". > But > my pleas fell on deaf ears because they are bound by head office policy, > apparently. I don't write this open letter to serve as a means to 'vent > my > spleen' and rant like some Linux zealot at a ridiculous situation. > Instead, > I ask that recipients consider the implications of it and then act. If > you > are able to contact someone who may have some influence, or know someone > who > knows someone else who may have influence, I want to see if we might > effect > a change in education policy to stop this happening in West Australian > government schools. Just where are our tax dollars being spent in > education? Into the pockets of Microsoft and Intel, I think. > > I see the use of free software and recycled hardware as another > opportunity > to better our next generation, yet it is being shot down by FUD (fear, > uncertainty and doubt) emanating from the halls of (educational) power. > The > teachers here at the 'coal face' don't seem to mind too much because "we > don't have to pay any licensing fees out of our budget - head office > pays". > I was dumbfounded that such an attitude can exist. Contact me if you have > any ideas or similar sad stories to relate. > > Regards, > > Gavin Chester > > 962 Williams Rd (PO Box 62), Dwellingup, Western Australia. 6213. > Tel: (08) 9538 1102 > E-mail#1: mailto:sales at ecosolutions.com.au > E-mail#2: mailto:gc at gwchester.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:4459c59a33891143784823! > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = Lantech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From Darryl_Palmer_Jr at acm.org Thu May 4 18:50:39 2006 From: Darryl_Palmer_Jr at acm.org (Darryl Palmer) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:50:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lack of access In-Reply-To: References: <30402205.2771146765730903.JavaMail.root@mail> Message-ID: It is true that there is not many choices as with Microsoft or Apple, but there is more then just EmacSpeak out there. A good webiste that tries to list the major choices for linux is at http://trace.wisc.edu/world/computer_access/multi/sharewar.htm. Darryl Palmer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjjggg at hotmail.com Thu May 4 18:01:54 2006 From: jjjggg at hotmail.com (JohnG) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:01:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Sound demons :-( Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnG To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: Sound demons :-( I'm trying to get sound working on a new K12LTSP install. It worked great on another server at 4.4.1 by only changing a couple of settings in the lts.conf file, but not on this one at either 4.4.1 or the latest 5.0 betas. It doesn't seem to have either the nasd or the esd deamons. I installed the rpm as specified at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#NASD_and_ESD but to no avail. There is no sound card on the server. Nasd or esd does not show up in a "ps aux" on either the server or client and a whereis can't find them either. What am I doing wrong? How do I fine these demon deamons and get them installed and running on the server (if that's my problem). Thanks in advance for any help. Oh, and 5.0 beta 4 and beta 5 are looking really good, thanks for all the great work! John I also checked the /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin directory, I found esd but no nasd. Running esd from root I get "no such card" and "device not found" errors. An echo of $AUDIOSERVER on the client return ws252.ltsp:0.0 and $LD_PRELOAD returns /lib/libaudooss.so.1.0. auinfo returns an error message that it can't connect to the audio server. The client I am using has sound when I hook it up to the other 4.4.1 server. I've tried every combination in lts.conf that I could think of, I've read the wikis, searched the archives, and googled. Any direction or debugging tips would be appreciated, this is so frustrating. I don't know if it would make a difference, but I can't throw a sound card into the server because it's PCI-X and all I have are PCI and ISA cards. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu May 4 19:00:29 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 14:00:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lack of access In-Reply-To: References: <30402205.2771146765730903.JavaMail.root@mail> Message-ID: <1146769228.22794.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 13:25, Access Systems wrote: > one of the major gaps in Open source software that is just barely being > addressed is stopping it's use in a number of places. Is anyone following the verson of Ubuntu in testing? I see they've added accessibility options to the install menus: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/dapperbeta#head-fa96e091d354f53754e2c044e4a5f21b19de58ea -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Thu May 4 19:06:26 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:06:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lack of access In-Reply-To: References: <30402205.2771146765730903.JavaMail.root@mail> Message-ID: <92de6c880605041206y1d084898je67845b560087162@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/06, Access Systems wrote: > > one of the major gaps in Open source software that is just barely being > addressed is stopping it's use in a number of places. the State of Mass > wanted to go entirely open source for all state functions, but people with > disabilities have openly opposed it and have threatened court action > because there is insufficient access to adaptible software. yes if you > are a "Geek" you can make Emacspeak work but that is about all that is > avaliable for visually impaired users and they are the ones with money > and clout. GNOME has Gnopernicus, and I imagine KDE has an accesibility project. But my understanding is that overall accessibility support still has many gaps on Linux, from the installation process on down the line. This page is interesting: http://www.novell.com/products/accessibility/vpat_sles9.html#softwaredetails Joe Average Hacker simply doesn't know much about these issues (including myself), so it is a tough nut for OSS. However, the corporate players, Sun, IBM, Novell, Canonical all make investments in accessibility. I would contend that one big turning point which we have not yet reached (but we will!) is when governments realize that they can come out ahead by banding together and funding work to solve these problems themselves rather than waiting around for someone else to do it. --Tom From accessys at smart.net Thu May 4 19:21:44 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] lack of access In-Reply-To: <92de6c880605041206y1d084898je67845b560087162@mail.gmail.com> References: <30402205.2771146765730903.JavaMail.root@mail> <92de6c880605041206y1d084898je67845b560087162@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2006, Tom Hoffman wrote: > On 5/4/06, Access Systems wrote: > > one of the major gaps in Open source software that is just barely being > > addressed is stopping it's use in a number of places. the State of Mass > > wanted to go entirely open source for all state functions, but people with > > disabilities have openly opposed it and have threatened court action > > GNOME has Gnopernicus, and I imagine KDE has an accesibility project. they do > But my understanding is that overall accessibility support still has > many gaps on Linux, from the installation process on down the line. installation is almost impossible for a visually impaired person. > This page is interesting: > http://www.novell.com/products/accessibility/vpat_sles9.html#softwaredetails another good site is http://leb.net/blinux/ > > Joe Average Hacker simply doesn't know much about these issues > (including myself), so it is a tough nut for OSS. However, the > corporate players, Sun, IBM, Novell, Canonical all make investments in > accessibility. unfortunately the big players don't see a large enough market (where have I heard that before) > > I would contend that one big turning point which we have not yet > reached (but we will!) is when governments realize that they can come > out ahead by banding together and funding work to solve these problems > themselves rather than waiting around for someone else to do it. are you talking about USA governments??? they would rather spend the money that is why JAWS at 500-800 dollars a copy is doing so well. same with things like Dragon dictate, and the other adaptive softwares that are used in government offices. and until the lawmakers use it and the advisors to the lawmakers use it, there will likely be little leading from the top, and it is much harder to push from the bottom. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Thu May 4 19:26:55 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:26:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Filter testing script Message-ID: <92de6c880605041226w74a2a84ya7f1a1de778a00ea@mail.gmail.com> I've written a simple Python script that could be used to test filtering software. Basically, it just reads a list of URL's from a text file, makes the requests, and outputs the results--HTTP code, end URL, and page title--into a CSV file. It doesn't analyze the results itself. I'd be interested in any feedback or suggestions from actual school IT folks. The script and instructions are here: http://tuttlesvc.teacherhosting.com/filtrchekr/filtrchekr.py A short sample list of sites is here: http://tuttlesvc.teacherhosting.com/filtrchekr/sites.txt --Tom From lighthumor at hotmail.com Thu May 4 18:57:41 2006 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 14:57:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] downloading 5.0 beta - any mirrors for /testing ? Message-ID: For whatever reason my ISP is download very slow - around 12KB/s - from ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing. I noticed download are much faster - some 200KB/s - from some local FTP sites. Don't know what's the problem. Any other mirrors for /testing ??? I still haven't been able to test any of it. I have .iso images for 4.2.1, old stuff... I took days to *almost* get all the beta4 .iso images, and -- poof! here is beta5! From drloomis at cox-internet.com Thu May 4 19:41:40 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 14:41:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with Flash detection Message-ID: <445A58F4.5010407@cox-internet.com> All of a sudden flash-enabled websites that our younger children like to visit like noggin.com and cartoonnetwork.com are coming up with errors or getting stuck at a blue screen with the text: "Detecting Flash..." at the top. Others come up saying that the version of Flash is not supported. When I go to the Macromedia Flash test sites everything works just fine. Has there been a recent change in the way Flash detection software is being implemented? Most use some form of embedded javascript. The problems occur in any version of Firefox from 1.0.7 through 1.5.0.2, all recent versions of konqueror, and Mozilla running on Linux. On a WindowsXP laptop running Firefox 1.5.0.2 everything works as it should. What is strange is that everything was working fine about a week ago (last of April). Dan -------------- next part -------------- Outgoing mail scanned by Fortigate Anti-Virus From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu May 4 23:08:35 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <1146716608.13822.62.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <20060504230835.31084.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Jim, if you really want to see an old computer fly, boot Damn Small Linux with the "toram" option. The whole cd loads into RAM and runs from there. Supposedly it works with as low as 128 Megs. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dalen at czexan.net Thu May 4 23:12:20 2006 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 18:12:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] downloading 5.0 beta - any mirrors for /testing ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <445A8A54.3080003@czexan.net> light being wrote: > For whatever reason my ISP is download very slow - around 12KB/s - from > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing. > > I noticed download are much faster - some 200KB/s - from some local FTP > sites. Don't know what's the problem. > > Any other mirrors for /testing ??? You could try downloading via rsync to see if it downloads faster rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . You could also try and download FC5 iso's from another mirror such as mirrors.kernel.org and then rename them as they are in testing and rerun rsync from k12 again to update the iso files with the latest updates. From drloomis at cox-internet.com Thu May 4 23:40:03 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 18:40:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash Problems Message-ID: <445A90D3.2070409@cox-internet.com> Flash plugin has suddenly started having problems on some of the sites our younger users access. Sites like noggin.com and cartoonnetwork.com evidently have switched to Flash v.8x. Some things still work, but it appears Flash 8 is quickly going to be the norm. What is worse, a lot of sites have imbedded flash detection routines in their home pages that hang if something less than v.8 is installed. With the Linux version of Flash stuck at 7.0 we are once again the poor step-sisters in the world. I understand that Macromedia is working on a Linux Flash 8.5, but could not find out when it will be out. Dan From steve at sierra-computer.com Thu May 4 23:57:28 2006 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:57:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Creating a link on the desktop Message-ID: <445A94E8.4000702@sierra-computer.com> I am building a new server with K12LTSP 4.2.3EL. I am trying to create a link on the desktop to connect to our web based accounting software. When I create the link to "http://192.168.1.165/nolapro/" Firefox opens "http://localhost/nolapro". Our webserver is on another server, so localhost will not work. Anyone have any ideas why the link is trying to open localhost on the new server instead of going to the IP address that has been put into the saved link. This only happens to this link only. I have another link on the desktop to our web based calendar and it works fine. Steve Knopik From steve at sierra-computer.com Fri May 5 00:02:15 2006 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 17:02:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Creating a link on the desktop In-Reply-To: <445A94E8.4000702@sierra-computer.com> References: <445A94E8.4000702@sierra-computer.com> Message-ID: <445A9607.7010100@sierra-computer.com> I just found out that it does the same thing on our Fedora C3 server. Steve Knopik Steve Knopik wrote: > I am building a new server with K12LTSP 4.2.3EL. I am trying to create > a link on the desktop to connect to our web based accounting software. > When I create the link to "http://192.168.1.165/nolapro/" Firefox > opens "http://localhost/nolapro". Our webserver is on another server, > so localhost will not work. > > Anyone have any ideas why the link is trying to open localhost on the > new server instead of going to the IP address that has been put into > the saved link. > > This only happens to this link only. I have another link on the > desktop to our web based calendar and it works fine. > > Steve Knopik > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From julius at turtle.com Fri May 5 00:33:15 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] open samba share In-Reply-To: <1146758882.17312.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1146756637.17312.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1146758882.17312.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <3637.192.168.1.4.1146789195.squirrel@192.168.1.4> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 11:00, Doug Simpson wrote: >> I am wanting a dumb share available without having to have usernames and >> passwords entered on the linux server, but still have the smb set up >> with >> security = server. . >> >> Not possible is it? >> >> I guess I will just have to add the users on the linux server. . . RATS! > > I think if you use winbindd authentication on the linux side > the users would be there automatically. Otherwise all you > need is the 'adduser' step. You don't have to assign passwords > on the Linux side. > There is another way to "skin this kitty" - in the smb.conf have a line like this: include = /etc/opt/samba/smb.conf.%L now you can have multiple conf files with whatever security setting on the file / share name level thusly: # #smb.conf.tnhpub #images for public viewing #new style - password not required security = share guest account = smbnull #============================ Share Definitions ============================== [images] comment = Image Directory browseable = yes public = yes writable = no path = /a2/images and another: #smb.conf.turtle - old style, password required # security = user #============================ Share Definitions ============================== [homes] comment = Home Directories browseable = no valid users = %S writable = no [ups] comment = Home Directory browseable = no valid users = fedex writable = yes path = /mnt/fedex/ups for my efforts i get 2 separate shares: "turtle" and "tnhpub" user and share security respectively. julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEWp1L2LhlZOaj6vURAtk+AJ9hmNcwdFuvuuZoVIF9Gsw7Zi+dOgCfTjhI Od4bKeFJ23IdRukDsMoRIbw= =XFQC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From opensource at whitenitro.com Fri May 5 00:50:42 2006 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:50:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian - OSV In-Reply-To: <20060504180223.B7E9F73ABA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060504180223.B7E9F73ABA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On May 4, 2006, at 2:02 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > I forgot! Gavin you may have some help from these guys in Australia. > They have published a fantastic pdf of FOSS here > http://www.osv.org.au/index.cgi?tid=155 > > http://www.osv.org.au/index.cgi?tid=1 > > Open Source Victoria is an Industry Cluster consisting of over 80 > Victorian firms and developers which provide services and technology > related to Free and Open Source Software (FOSS.) Open Source Victoria > offers marketing, advocacy and information referral services, and aims > to raise the profile of FOSS in Victoria and work with other similar > organisations across *Australia*. Gavin - Here is a link to a published, paper version of the pdf document mentioned above: http://www.lulu.com/content/286873 [color version] http://www.lulu.com/content/286933 [black and white version] I invited an OSV team member to the Open Source and Education conference in New Zealand last January. After seeing their awesome presentation, I got their permission to publish their document in paper form. With its full color screen shots, it makes a fantastic 'leave behind' after your presentation. It is sort of like a great christmas gift catalogue where everything is free! Bryant From ssanders at coin.org Fri May 5 05:33:56 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 00:33:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <20060504162555.M21035@winonacotter.org> References: <20060503125750.M39479@winonacotter.org> <44595B17.4020009@alltel.net> <1146716608.13822.62.camel@bofh.ltsp> <20060504140606.M42859@winonacotter.org> <20060504162555.M21035@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1146807237.13822.70.camel@bofh.ltsp> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 11:27 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > At this point I was able to do everything I need in Knoppix after adding > captive-nfs. Very slick. But I really like the speed of DSL and the ability > to customize everthing and store those changes on USB. Maybe the DSL-N is > what I need. Nearly all recent Knoppix variants have the ability to store settings, and optionally create a persistent home directory on writable media. This can be a USB stick, a section of a mounted internal or external (usb) hard drive, CF/SD cards that it can see or even a floppy disk. A floppy is fine for storing settings and being portable, but it's pretty small for a home directory. I love DSL for the speed, and the ability to run on ancient hardware. I like more full Knoppix variants for wider variety of apps to run. It can be a hassle if you want to load up very many instances of DSL up with lots of stuff. I forget now, but once it seemed I had a need for a powerpoint player on a very old laptop, and it was difficult getting something to run well on DSL. Examine your needs, check a few out, and choose what works best for you. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri May 5 06:12:54 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:12:54 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian schools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Robert, Thanks for your helpful reply, and those of others. In the case of your specific suggestion, your email may have crossed mine in the posting because you can read in one of my posts that I had been directed toward the equivalent agency in my own State as the type of agency that you mention in your post. Seems that a well intentioned, small local effort has to be escalated into being part of a State-wide lobbying effort advocating FOSS in govt. That's life :-| regards, Gavin >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian >Sent: Friday, 5 May 2006 01:14 >To: sales at ecosolutions.com.au; Support list for OpenSource software in >schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Microsoft's insidious domination in Australian >schools > > >On 5/4/06, Gavin Chester wrote: >> (This email is written with many concepts explained that may >already be >> familiar to you because I am sending this as an open letter >to readers from >> a wide range of backgrounds and interest groups). > >I forgot! Gavin you may have some help from these guys in Australia. >They have published a fantastic pdf of FOSS here >http://www.osv.org.au/index.cgi?tid=155 > >http://www.osv.org.au/index.cgi?tid=1 > > Open Source Victoria is an Industry Cluster consisting of over 80 >Victorian firms and developers which provide services and technology >related to Free and Open Source Software (FOSS.) Open Source Victoria >offers marketing, advocacy and information referral services, and aims >to raise the profile of FOSS in Victoria and work with other similar >organisations across *Australia*. > >OSV believes that Open Source technologies are able to deliver the >best value-for-money platform and application software available. > > >-- >Robert Arkiletian >Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 >C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri May 5 12:19:27 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:19:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Creating a link on the desktop In-Reply-To: <445A94E8.4000702@sierra-computer.com> References: <445A94E8.4000702@sierra-computer.com> Message-ID: <36FB9CA9-74D7-4770-B992-AC61FF4D43A6@mindfirestudios.com> Sounds like a DNS/hosts issue?? On May 4, 2006, at 6:57 PM, Steve Knopik wrote: > I am building a new server with K12LTSP 4.2.3EL. I am trying to > create a link on the desktop to connect to our web based accounting > software. When I create the link to "http://192.168.1.165/nolapro/" > Firefox opens "http://localhost/nolapro". Our webserver is on > another server, so localhost will not work. > > Anyone have any ideas why the link is trying to open localhost on > the new server instead of going to the IP address that has been put > into the saved link. > > This only happens to this link only. I have another link on the > desktop to our web based calendar and it works fine. > > Steve Knopik > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From swift at msad52.org Fri May 5 12:40:09 2006 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 08:40:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] windows server manager to work with Samba/LDAP server Message-ID: I have been experimenting with windows server manager as a gui to work with machine accounts remotely to my samba/ldap box. I can see the machines and I can also remove machines from the domain. However, I cannot add machines to the domain (access denied). I am logged on with a domain admin account. Is anyone using this scenario that can help me out or is this option just not going to work? Thanks Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From julius at turtle.com Fri May 5 14:55:23 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - VOIP one way sound problem Message-ID: <50629.216.216.171.3.1146840923.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Folks, this is off topic, but since some of you run the same software and equipment ... I have a problem connecting remote IP Mitel phones to Mitel 3300 pbx. Everything seems hunky-dory, the phones find the pbx, download software and happily give dial tone. unfortunately when you use them to call, the voice goes only one way - from the remote phone to the call receipient, nothing the other way. The only comment I get from the vendor techis is that it is "a gateway problem", nothing more specific. Any advice happily received. I did find when googling that there exist ip-conntrack-nat patches for SIP packet tracking. Anybody using them? Should we ask Eric to compile them in? thanks, julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEW2db2LhlZOaj6vURAt5MAJwKUKoloAJEfI69IDKB1nS+GUh/HQCfQ/vD SAyuVlOorHc0FHkgp+Zb8SI= =tYr5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 5 14:58:56 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:58:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Creating a link on the desktop In-Reply-To: <36FB9CA9-74D7-4770-B992-AC61FF4D43A6@mindfirestudios.com> References: <445A94E8.4000702@sierra-computer.com> <36FB9CA9-74D7-4770-B992-AC61FF4D43A6@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <445B6830.2010802@maltzen.net> Although you would think specifying the address would work. Nevertheless, try putting a hostname for the address in /etc/hosts and then use that hostname in the link. You may need to use the fully qualified name of the host. Petre Burke Almquist wrote: > Sounds like a DNS/hosts issue?? > > On May 4, 2006, at 6:57 PM, Steve Knopik wrote: > >> I am building a new server with K12LTSP 4.2.3EL. I am trying to create >> a link on the desktop to connect to our web based accounting software. >> When I create the link to "http://192.168.1.165/nolapro/" Firefox >> opens "http://localhost/nolapro". Our webserver is on another server, >> so localhost will not work. >> >> Anyone have any ideas why the link is trying to open localhost on the >> new server instead of going to the IP address that has been put into >> the saved link. >> >> This only happens to this link only. I have another link on the >> desktop to our web based calendar and it works fine. >> >> Steve Knopik >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From smooge at gmail.com Fri May 5 15:49:09 2006 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:49:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash Problems In-Reply-To: <445A90D3.2070409@cox-internet.com> References: <445A90D3.2070409@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <80d7e4090605050849i2b0fb02aga5f47f85f0e65874@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/06, Dr. Daniel Loomis wrote: > Flash plugin has suddenly started having problems on some of the sites > our younger users access. Sites like noggin.com and cartoonnetwork.com > evidently have switched to Flash v.8x. Some things still work, but it > appears Flash 8 is quickly going to be the norm. What is worse, a lot > of sites have imbedded flash detection routines in their home pages that > hang if something less than v.8 is installed. > > With the Linux version of Flash stuck at 7.0 we are once again the poor > step-sisters in the world. I understand that Macromedia is working on a > Linux Flash 8.5, but could not find out when it will be out. Yeah.. having that problem at home. The Flash 8.5 may be out by the end of the year is what I have heard through the grape vine but that could be highly off. -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From inscription at metmcreations.com Fri May 5 16:26:33 2006 From: inscription at metmcreations.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sylvain_Messier_-_M=26M_CR=C9ATIONS/CONSULTA?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?TIONS?=) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 12:26:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO file number 6 of Beta 5 to big! Message-ID: <445B7CB9.1070708@metmcreations.com> The ISO file no 6 (K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta 5 32bit ) is to large (710MB vs 702MB) to burn on 700mb standard CDR!!! Any suggestions? Thanks! Sylvain Messier From les at futuresource.com Fri May 5 16:32:08 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 11:32:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO file number 6 of Beta 5 to big! In-Reply-To: <445B7CB9.1070708@metmcreations.com> References: <445B7CB9.1070708@metmcreations.com> Message-ID: <1146846728.4442.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 11:26, Sylvain Messier - M&M CR?ATIONS/CONSULTATIONS wrote: > The ISO file no 6 (K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta 5 32bit ) is to large (710MB vs > 702MB) to burn on 700mb standard CDR!!! > > Any suggestions? Download all the iso images to a directory that you have exported via NFS. Burn only the first disk. Enter linux askmethod at the boot prompt and pick nfs as the method. As long as it's not your first Linux box this way is much faster and easier since you don't have to wait around and swap CDs during the install. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri May 5 16:32:18 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:32:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - VOIP one way sound problem In-Reply-To: <50629.216.216.171.3.1146840923.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <50629.216.216.171.3.1146840923.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <9bd317560605050932n4ca70830s267037497de2d1a9@mail.gmail.com> > I did find when googling that there exist ip-conntrack-nat patches for SIP > packet tracking. Anybody using them? Should we ask Eric to compile them > in? By this do you mean that your ltsp server is your external router or just that the phones get their ip from the ltsp server? What sort of port forwarding do you have to your pbx (assuming that your pbx is using voip to call the outside world) What's the layout like? Peter On 5/5/06, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dear Folks, > this is off topic, but since some of you run the same software and > equipment ... > I have a problem connecting remote IP Mitel phones to Mitel 3300 pbx. > Everything seems hunky-dory, the phones find the pbx, download software > and happily give dial tone. unfortunately when you use them to call, the > voice goes only one way - from the remote phone to the call receipient, > nothing the other way. > The only comment I get from the vendor techis is that it is "a gateway > problem", nothing more specific. > > Any advice happily received. > > I did find when googling that there exist ip-conntrack-nat patches for SIP > packet tracking. Anybody using them? Should we ask Eric to compile them > in? > > thanks, julius > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEW2db2LhlZOaj6vURAt5MAJwKUKoloAJEfI69IDKB1nS+GUh/HQCfQ/vD > SAyuVlOorHc0FHkgp+Zb8SI= > =tYr5 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri May 5 17:23:48 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:23:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] downloading 5.0 beta - any mirrors for /testing ? In-Reply-To: <445A8A54.3080003@czexan.net> References: <445A8A54.3080003@czexan.net> Message-ID: <445B8A24.4020703@paasda.org> odd..I'm getting a no route to host error on k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us can't ping either.. --Huck Dale Sykora wrote: > light being wrote: >> For whatever reason my ISP is download very slow - around 12KB/s - >> from ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing. >> >> I noticed download are much faster - some 200KB/s - from some local >> FTP sites. Don't know what's the problem. >> >> Any other mirrors for /testing ??? > You could try downloading via rsync to see if it downloads faster > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > You could also try and download FC5 iso's from another mirror such as > mirrors.kernel.org and then rename them as they are in testing and rerun > rsync from k12 again to update the iso files with the latest updates. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Fri May 5 17:34:42 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:34:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: [sf-uk-discuss] Open Source Accessibility site launched In-Reply-To: <20060505163909.7E5A21F804A@mail.ukpost.com> References: <20060505163909.7E5A21F804A@mail.ukpost.com> Message-ID: <92de6c880605051034m6258c093k8c7c3c9a5d572891@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Steve Lee Date: May 5, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: [sf-uk-discuss] Open Source Accessibility site launched To: "sf-uk-discuss at googlegroups.com" The Open Source Assistive Technology Software (OATS) project web site has now been offically launched. http://www.oatsoft.org It aims to improve Accessibility and Assistive Technology provison by bringing users and developers together over Open Source tools and will provide a one stop shop for users. The collaborative community principles that underpin Open Source development are being used to improve existing OATS solutions and fuel innovation. The BCS Open Source Specialist Group are supporting the project and will be holding a meeting dedicated to it in August. OATSoft site: http://www.oatsoft.org Press release: http://tinyurl.com/ggszs In Computer Weekly: http://tinyurl.com/f8rh7 BCS OSSG: http://ossg.bcs.org/ Steve Lee --------- schoolforge.org.uk fullmeasure.co.uk --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Schoolforge-UK Discussions" group. To post to this group, send email to sf-uk-discuss at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sf-uk-discuss-unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sf-uk-discuss -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From julius at turtle.com Fri May 5 17:36:41 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - VOIP one way sound problem In-Reply-To: <9bd317560605050932n4ca70830s267037497de2d1a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <50629.216.216.171.3.1146840923.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <9bd317560605050932n4ca70830s267037497de2d1a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <55354.216.216.171.3.1146850601.squirrel@216.216.171.3> >> I did find when googling that there exist ip-conntrack-nat patches for >> SIP >> packet tracking. Anybody using them? Should we ask Eric to compile them >> in? > > By this do you mean that your ltsp server is your external router or > just that the phones get their ip from the ltsp server? What sort of > port forwarding do you have to your pbx (assuming that your pbx is > using voip to call the outside world) What's the layout like? > > > > Peter > >> Dear Folks, >> this is off topic, but since some of you run the same software and >> equipment ... >> I have a problem connecting remote IP Mitel phones to Mitel 3300 pbx. >> Everything seems hunky-dory, the phones find the pbx, download software >> and happily give dial tone. unfortunately when you use them to call, the >> voice goes only one way - from the remote phone to the call receipient, >> nothing the other way. >> The only comment I get from the vendor techis is that it is "a gateway >> problem", nothing more specific. >> >> Any advice happily received. >> >> I did find when googling that there exist ip-conntrack-nat patches for >> SIP >> packet tracking. Anybody using them? Should we ask Eric to compile them >> in? >> >> the k12 servers sit as routers / firewalls as well. so you have a server with public address, nat to 192.168.34.0, hp procurve switch with 2 vlans, the one for the phones is 192.168.33.0/25. all works well locally. Remote site sits on natted interface (comcast foolishness), connected to first site over openvpn. the internal network 192.168.12.0/24, connected over tun0, the voice network is 192.168.33.0/25 - the "other half". no problems pinging and such, the phones do a happy and fast tftp to the pbx at firs site. the sound goes only one way - from remote phone to call receipient. very annoying. turned off iptables, made sure source natting is ok, to no avail. grrrr. julius From lighthumor at hotmail.com Fri May 5 16:49:37 2006 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 12:49:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO file number 6 of Beta 5 In-Reply-To: <1146846728.4442.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: >From: Les Mikesell > > The ISO file no 6 (K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta 5 32bit ) is to large (710MB vs > > 702MB) to burn on 700mb standard CDR!!! > > Any suggestions? > >Download all the iso images to a directory that you have >exported via NFS. Burn only the first disk. Enter >linux askmethod >at the boot prompt and pick nfs as the method. As long >as it's not your first Linux box this way is much faster >and easier since you don't have to wait around and swap >CDs during the install. I burned the first CD, and put all the ISO images on a FAT partition, or on a separate hard drive. Then used the 'linux askmethod' option and gave it a partition /dev/hda2 or whatever. It's much faster indeed. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 5 17:45:20 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] downloading 5.0 beta - any mirrors for /testing ? In-Reply-To: <445B8A24.4020703@paasda.org> References: <445A8A54.3080003@czexan.net> <445B8A24.4020703@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 May 2006, Huck wrote: > odd..I'm getting a no route to host error on k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us > can't ping either.. > > --Huck I'm at a conference today... the server had a scsi bus error and was rebooted. It is doing a filesystem check right now and will be back online in a bit (it is huge file system, fsck's take a long, long time). -Eric > Dale Sykora wrote: >> light being wrote: >>> For whatever reason my ISP is download very slow - around 12KB/s - from >>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing. >>> >>> I noticed download are much faster - some 200KB/s - from some local FTP >>> sites. Don't know what's the problem. >>> >>> Any other mirrors for /testing ??? >> You could try downloading via rsync to see if it downloads faster >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . >> You could also try and download FC5 iso's from another mirror such as >> mirrors.kernel.org and then rename them as they are in testing and rerun >> rsync from k12 again to update the iso files with the latest updates. >> >> From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri May 5 17:47:26 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:47:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] downloading 5.0 beta - any mirrors for /testing ? In-Reply-To: References: <445A8A54.3080003@czexan.net> <445B8A24.4020703@paasda.org> Message-ID: <445B8FAE.8040104@paasda.org> Kewlio, thank's for the heads-up... =) --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 5 May 2006, Huck wrote: > >> odd..I'm getting a no route to host error on k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us >> can't ping either.. >> >> --Huck > > I'm at a conference today... the server had a scsi bus error and was > rebooted. It is doing a filesystem check right now and will be back > online in a bit (it is huge file system, fsck's take a long, long time). > > -Eric > > >> Dale Sykora wrote: >>> light being wrote: >>>> For whatever reason my ISP is download very slow - around 12KB/s - >>>> from ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing. >>>> >>>> I noticed download are much faster - some 200KB/s - from some local >>>> FTP sites. Don't know what's the problem. >>>> >>>> Any other mirrors for /testing ??? >>> You could try downloading via rsync to see if it downloads faster >>> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . >>> You could also try and download FC5 iso's from another mirror such as >>> mirrors.kernel.org and then rename them as they are in testing and >>> rerun rsync from k12 again to update the iso files with the latest >>> updates. >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Fri May 5 17:51:18 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 12:51:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - VOIP one way sound problem In-Reply-To: <55354.216.216.171.3.1146850601.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <50629.216.216.171.3.1146840923.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <9bd317560605050932n4ca70830s267037497de2d1a9@mail.gmail.com> <55354.216.216.171.3.1146850601.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <1146851478.4442.24.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 12:36, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > the k12 servers sit as routers / firewalls as well. so you have a server > with public address, nat to 192.168.34.0, hp procurve switch with 2 vlans, > the one for the phones is 192.168.33.0/25. all works well locally. Remote > site sits on natted interface (comcast foolishness), connected to first > site over openvpn. the internal network 192.168.12.0/24, connected over > tun0, the voice network is 192.168.33.0/25 - the "other half". no problems > pinging and such, the phones do a happy and fast tftp to the pbx at firs > site. the sound goes only one way - from remote phone to call receipient. > very annoying. turned off iptables, made sure source natting is ok, to no > avail. I thought you needed a sip proxy for NATed connections: http://www.nongnu.org/partysip/#natsupport -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lighthumor at hotmail.com Fri May 5 17:14:42 2006 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:14:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ftp server too busy? Message-ID: is the FTP server too busy ? or does my ISP hate me? [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ ping k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us PING k12ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us (198.236.66.49) 56(84) bytes of data. --- k12ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2998ms [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ ftp k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us ftp: connect: No route to host ftp> ftp> ftp> quit [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ traceroute k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us traceroute to k12ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us (198.236.66.49), 30 hops max, 38 byte packe ts 1 ws001.ltsp (192.168.0.1) 0.400 ms 0.154 ms 0.229 ms 2 10.10.0.1 (10.10.0.1) 32.112 ms 10.309 ms 9.603 ms 3 c999999.virtua.com.br (x.x.x.x) 13.942 ms 11.346 ms 11.236 ms 4 ge-1-3-0.407.ar2.GRU1.gblx.net (67.17.156.225) 337.213 ms 416.190 ms 337. 982 ms 5 ge3-1-10G.ar4.NYC1.gblx.net (67.17.104.186) 334.001 ms 315.536 ms 244.625 ms 6 te13-0-0.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.11.137) 153.408 ms 723.234 ms 6 14.326 ms 7 p14-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.1.165) 511.531 ms 318.097 ms 161.316 ms 8 p12-0.core01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.202) 372.932 ms 309.494 ms 205.857 ms 9 p5-0.core01.den01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.29) 230.962 ms 354.110 ms 234 .279 ms 10 p6-0.core01.smf01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.197) 223.862 ms 372.171 ms 319.170 ms 11 p2-0.core01.pdx01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.126) 327.825 ms 344.241 ms 364.836 ms 12 38.112.9.26 (38.112.9.26) 406.732 ms 398.198 ms 389.721 ms 13 mesd-metro-gw.mesd.k12.or.us (198.236.64.253) 844.528 ms 730.573 ms 528.678 ms 14 fw11x.mesd.k12.or.us (198.236.64.11) 437.646 ms 410.411 ms 427.269 ms 15 * * * 16 * [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri May 5 18:06:59 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 11:06:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ftp server too busy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <445B9443.1030108@paasda.org> Eric just shared fsck'n the filesys... it'll be back online when done ;) light being wrote: > is the FTP server too busy ? or does my ISP hate me? > > [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ ping k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us > PING k12ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us (198.236.66.49) 56(84) bytes of data. > > --- k12ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us ping statistics --- > 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2998ms > > [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ ftp k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us > ftp: connect: No route to host > ftp> > ftp> > ftp> quit > [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ > > [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ traceroute k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us > traceroute to k12ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us (198.236.66.49), 30 hops max, 38 > byte packe ts > 1 ws001.ltsp (192.168.0.1) 0.400 ms 0.154 ms 0.229 ms > 2 10.10.0.1 (10.10.0.1) 32.112 ms 10.309 ms 9.603 ms > 3 c999999.virtua.com.br (x.x.x.x) 13.942 ms 11.346 ms 11.236 ms > 4 ge-1-3-0.407.ar2.GRU1.gblx.net (67.17.156.225) 337.213 ms 416.190 > ms 337. 982 ms > 5 ge3-1-10G.ar4.NYC1.gblx.net (67.17.104.186) 334.001 ms 315.536 ms > 244.625 ms > 6 te13-0-0.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.11.137) 153.408 ms > 723.234 ms 6 14.326 ms > 7 p14-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.1.165) 511.531 ms > 318.097 ms 161.316 ms > 8 p12-0.core01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.202) 372.932 ms > 309.494 ms 205.857 ms > 9 p5-0.core01.den01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.29) 230.962 ms > 354.110 ms 234 .279 ms > 10 p6-0.core01.smf01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.197) 223.862 ms > 372.171 ms 319.170 ms > 11 p2-0.core01.pdx01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.126) 327.825 ms > 344.241 ms 364.836 ms > 12 38.112.9.26 (38.112.9.26) 406.732 ms 398.198 ms 389.721 ms > 13 mesd-metro-gw.mesd.k12.or.us (198.236.64.253) 844.528 ms 730.573 > ms 528.678 ms > 14 fw11x.mesd.k12.or.us (198.236.64.11) 437.646 ms 410.411 ms > 427.269 ms > 15 * * * > 16 * > [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robert.pogson at gmail.com Fri May 5 19:22:57 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:22:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Creating a link on the desktop In-Reply-To: <20060505145910.7D68373588@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060505145910.7D68373588@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1146856978.24796.146.camel@beast> On Thu, 04 May 2006 16:57:28 -0700 Steve Knopik wrote: "I am building a new server with K12LTSP 4.2.3EL. I am trying to create a link on the desktop to connect to our web based accounting software. When I create the link to "http://192.168.1.165/nolapro/" Firefox opens "http://localhost/nolapro". Our webserver is on another server, so localhost will not work." I have had this happen a few times when I make a link on a dynamic page like because I have misconfigured the PHP script to be localhost relative. You can usually configure the IP address of the server in the script or the name of the machine if your /etc/hosts or local DNS is set up for it. It is not that your link icon is not right. It is that the dynamic page your script produces is spitting out localhost. This could be a security feature, preventing access to anyone not on the same server. I often run all my servers on the LTSP machine so localhost works for thin clients but not thick ones or intruders. Is nolapro working for thick clients? If not, this is likely the cause. 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From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 5 20:04:25 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ftp server too busy? In-Reply-To: <445B9443.1030108@paasda.org> References: <445B9443.1030108@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 May 2006, Huck wrote: > Eric just shared fsck'n the filesys... > it'll be back online when done ;) I just got an update... the fsck bombed out, hitting an unexpected in- consistancy. It was restarted with a "fsck -y ..." about an hour and a half a go. -Eric > light being wrote: >> is the FTP server too busy ? or does my ISP hate me? >> >> [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ ping k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us >> PING k12ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us (198.236.66.49) 56(84) bytes of data. >> >> --- k12ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us ping statistics --- >> 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2998ms >> >> [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ ftp k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us >> ftp: connect: No route to host >> ftp> >> ftp> >> ftp> quit >> [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ >> >> [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ traceroute k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us >> traceroute to k12ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us (198.236.66.49), 30 hops max, 38 byte >> packe ts >> 1 ws001.ltsp (192.168.0.1) 0.400 ms 0.154 ms 0.229 ms >> 2 10.10.0.1 (10.10.0.1) 32.112 ms 10.309 ms 9.603 ms >> 3 c999999.virtua.com.br (x.x.x.x) 13.942 ms 11.346 ms 11.236 ms >> 4 ge-1-3-0.407.ar2.GRU1.gblx.net (67.17.156.225) 337.213 ms 416.190 ms >> 337. 982 ms >> 5 ge3-1-10G.ar4.NYC1.gblx.net (67.17.104.186) 334.001 ms 315.536 ms >> 244.625 ms >> 6 te13-0-0.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.11.137) 153.408 ms 723.234 ms >> 6 14.326 ms >> 7 p14-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.1.165) 511.531 ms 318.097 >> ms 161.316 ms >> 8 p12-0.core01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.202) 372.932 ms 309.494 >> ms 205.857 ms >> 9 p5-0.core01.den01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.29) 230.962 ms 354.110 ms >> 234 .279 ms >> 10 p6-0.core01.smf01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.197) 223.862 ms 372.171 >> ms 319.170 ms >> 11 p2-0.core01.pdx01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.126) 327.825 ms 344.241 >> ms 364.836 ms >> 12 38.112.9.26 (38.112.9.26) 406.732 ms 398.198 ms 389.721 ms >> 13 mesd-metro-gw.mesd.k12.or.us (198.236.64.253) 844.528 ms 730.573 ms >> 528.678 ms >> 14 fw11x.mesd.k12.or.us (198.236.64.11) 437.646 ms 410.411 ms 427.269 ms >> 15 * * * >> 16 * >> [term2 at ltspserv ~]$ >> From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri May 5 20:13:05 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 14:13:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] fusemount fails on 2nd login Message-ID: <445BB1D1.7010503@saskforestcentre.ca> I've got k12ltsp beta4 plus updates. I think that makes in beta5, right? I log in on a terminal. I plug in a USB device, it shows up on the desktop. No problem. I unplug the USB device, and the icon goes away. I log off... I log in again, as the same user on the same terminal. I plug in a USB device, it doesn't show up on the desktop. Problem. I restart the terminal, I log in on a terminal. I plug in a USB device, it shows up on the desktop. No problem. Hmmm. What's going on? Any clues? Angus Carr. From les at futuresource.com Fri May 5 20:26:24 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 15:26:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ftp server too busy? In-Reply-To: References: <445B9443.1030108@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1146860784.4442.94.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 15:04, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Eric just shared fsck'n the filesys... > > it'll be back online when done ;) > > I just got an update... the fsck bombed out, hitting an unexpected in- > consistancy. It was restarted with a "fsck -y ..." about an hour and > a half a go. Ah, the joys of ext2/3 filesystems and an fsck that refuses to fix a lot of things automatically... I don't think I've ever actually lost much data, but lots of times I have had to manually hit 'y' hundreds of times to get through the fsck run. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From milanofabio at gmail.com Fri May 5 20:50:10 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:50:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository Message-ID: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Is anyone else having problem connecting to http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2EL-32bit thanks, Fabio From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 5 21:01:29 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 16:01:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> Yes: Eric reported a disk crash, followed by a slow fsck, earlier today. Petre Fabio Milano wrote: > Hi, > > Is anyone else having problem connecting to > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2EL-32bit > > thanks, > Fabio > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 5 23:52:07 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 16:52:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > Yes: Eric reported a disk crash, followed by a slow fsck, earlier today. > > Petre > > Fabio Milano wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is anyone else having problem connecting to >> >> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2EL-32bit >> >> thanks, >> Fabio >> The server is back online. Yikes it can take a long time to fsck a couple TB of data (twice ;-) -Eric From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 5 23:52:34 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Damn Small Linux (DSL) Question In-Reply-To: <1146807237.13822.70.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <20060505235234.21863.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is an excellent book called Knoppix Hacks. It details how to set up a persistent home directory, among other things. I highly recommend that book. -Rob --- ssanders at coin.org wrote: > On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 11:27 -0500, Jim Kronebusch > wrote: > > > At this point I was able to do everything I need > in Knoppix after adding > > captive-nfs. Very slick. But I really like the > speed of DSL and the ability > > to customize everthing and store those changes on > USB. Maybe the DSL-N is > > what I need. > > Nearly all recent Knoppix variants have the ability > to store settings, > and optionally create a persistent home directory on > writable media. > This can be a USB stick, a section of a mounted > internal or external > (usb) hard drive, CF/SD cards that it can see or > even a floppy disk. A > floppy is fine for storing settings and being > portable, but it's pretty > small for a home directory. > > I love DSL for the speed, and the ability to run on > ancient hardware. I > like more full Knoppix variants for wider variety of > apps to run. It can > be a hassle if you want to load up very many > instances of DSL up with > lots of stuff. I forget now, but once it seemed I > had a need for a > powerpoint player on a very old laptop, and it was > difficult getting > something to run well on DSL. Examine your needs, > check a few out, and > choose what works best for you. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From milanofabio at gmail.com Sat May 6 00:04:53 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:04:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] jta and j2sdk Message-ID: <35c1344c0605051704w44177ac6x6e6c04b2c89da486@mail.gmail.com> Hi anybody have experience installing jta and j2sdk trying to setup Tomcat 5 thanks From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat May 6 00:09:45 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 19:09:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT: Any VideoLan Guru's? Message-ID: <1146874185.4417.14.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hello List, Wondering if anyone in the list has much experience using (VLC) videolan-client? I'm possibly going to broadcast our school's high school graduation in a couple of weeks, for grandpa & grandma to watch at home, and wonder what kind of head scratchers i will run into. I'm planning on only streaming 320 x 240 x 15 fps and 125 kbps. Maybe i should possibly even drop down lower for people that may still be on dial-up? I don't care much about video quality as long as the audio comes across solid. Does anyone know how to calculate how many connections can connect before the server / T1 line becomes saturated?. I'm wondering about doing the entry to allow maybe 50 connections max, or is this too many? Don't have a clue on this. All i've tried doing is streaming "helper" video clips on our LAN. If this would actually work this would be a good "points getter" for Linux:). I'm going to stream from a single 2.0 ghz with 2 gigs of ram with SCSI drives 100 meg nics. Dont have a clue if anyone at all will even try and use the darn thing,really. Should i possibly just do audio to be safe. Hmmm... so many questions. Am I shooting myself in the foot on this gig?:). Any ideas welcome. Barry Cisna From luisarauz at gmail.com Sat May 6 10:38:21 2006 From: luisarauz at gmail.com (Luis Arauz) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 05:38:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FL_teachertool & Edubuntu Message-ID: <37b143d30605060338x197f92a9s3fb616ff36a90d50@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone gotten Teachertool to work with edubuntu Dapper? If so how did you do it? Ive been able to install the app and get it up and running but it doesnt recognize any of the users as being on. It keeps saying "No users logged in." and then opens up the interface. I know that Robert Arkiletian has mentioned that he wants to port it over to EDubuntu but he doesnt know how different it is from LTSP. 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URL: From jam at mcquil.com Sat May 6 13:58:27 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FL_teachertool & Edubuntu In-Reply-To: <37b143d30605060338x197f92a9s3fb616ff36a90d50@mail.gmail.com> References: <37b143d30605060338x197f92a9s3fb616ff36a90d50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42634.217.19.180.79.1146923907.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Sat, May 6, 2006 6:38 am, Luis Arauz wrote: > Has anyone gotten Teachertool to work with edubuntu Dapper? If so how did > you do it? The biggest difference between the way Ubuntu has implented LTSP and how we've been doing it, is they don't use Xdmcp. They use a local display manager that they've named 'LDM' == Ltsp Display Manager. It's just a gui wrapper around ssh. You enter your username and password, and LDM passes them on to ssh, which then invokes the xsession script on the server. the Xsession script then launches gnome. At this point, the DISPLAY env variable is something like 'localhost:10.0'. So, Robert's technique of looking for 'ws001:0.0' breaks when using Ubuntu's ltsp. I'm sure there are other things in Ubuntu-ltsp that can cause problems for Teachertool, but that's the big one. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Ive been able to install the app and get it up and running but it doesnt > recognize any of the users > as being on. It keeps saying "No users logged in." and then opens up the > interface. > > I know that Robert Arkiletian has mentioned that he wants to port it over > to > EDubuntu but he doesnt know > how different it is from LTSP. > > Is it possible to use Ubuntu and the LTSP packages to have teachertool > working? > > Thanks for any help you can offer > Luis > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From k12osn at perusion.com Sat May 6 15:47:05 2006 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 11:47:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ftp server too busy? In-Reply-To: <1146860784.4442.94.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <445B9443.1030108@paasda.org> <1146860784.4442.94.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20060506154705.GA8493@bill.heins.net> Quoting Les Mikesell (les at futuresource.com): > On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 15:04, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > Eric just shared fsck'n the filesys... > > > it'll be back online when done ;) > > > > I just got an update... the fsck bombed out, hitting an unexpected in- > > consistancy. It was restarted with a "fsck -y ..." about an hour and > > a half a go. > > Ah, the joys of ext2/3 filesystems and an fsck that refuses to fix > a lot of things automatically... I don't think I've ever actually > lost much data, but lots of times I have had to manually hit 'y' > hundreds of times to get through the fsck run. > I just use "fsck -y". -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. -- Francis Bacon From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Sat May 6 16:12:12 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:12:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Amanda Backup Message-ID: <200605061612.k46GCYEf001889@mx3.redhat.com> Does anyone have a working Amanda configuration to backup to disk instead of tape? Mark Sarria Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 From petre at maltzen.net Sat May 6 16:35:19 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 11:35:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <445CD047.1080002@maltzen.net> Not sure if this is related or not, but I tried to run yum update on my 5.0 beta 1 box and got this error: ---> Downloading header for k12ltsp-release to pack into transaction set. http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/RPMS/updates/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch .rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 16:32:34 GMT Server: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) Content-Length: 363 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Trying other mirror. Error: failure: RPMS/updates/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. ??? Petre Eric Harrison wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > >>Yes: Eric reported a disk crash, followed by a slow fsck, earlier today. >> >>Petre >> >>Fabio Milano wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>Is anyone else having problem connecting to >>> >>>http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2EL-32bit >>> >>>thanks, >>>Fabio >>> > > > > The server is back online. Yikes it can take a long time to fsck a > couple TB of data (twice ;-) > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Sat May 6 16:49:42 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 11:49:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Amanda Backup In-Reply-To: <200605061612.k46GCYEf001889@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605061612.k46GCYEf001889@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1146934181.28746.42.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 11:12, Mark Sarria wrote: > Does anyone have a working Amanda configuration to backup to disk instead of > tape? If you define a tape and just don't make it available, amanda will leave the backups in your holding disk space and it knows how to restore from there. They have recently added a cleaner way to do it, but if you are only going to use disk storage I'd recommend backuppc instead of amanda. It uses compression and duplicate pooling to get about 10x more than you would expect on a disk. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From les at futuresource.com Sat May 6 16:53:32 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 11:53:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ftp server too busy? In-Reply-To: <20060506154705.GA8493@bill.heins.net> References: <445B9443.1030108@paasda.org> <1146860784.4442.94.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20060506154705.GA8493@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <1146934412.28746.47.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 10:47, Mike Heins wrote: > Quoting Les Mikesell (les at futuresource.com): > > On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 15:04, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > > Eric just shared fsck'n the filesys... > > > > it'll be back online when done ;) > > > > > > I just got an update... the fsck bombed out, hitting an unexpected in- > > > consistancy. It was restarted with a "fsck -y ..." about an hour and > > > a half a go. > > > > Ah, the joys of ext2/3 filesystems and an fsck that refuses to fix > > a lot of things automatically... I don't think I've ever actually > > lost much data, but lots of times I have had to manually hit 'y' > > hundreds of times to get through the fsck run. > > > > I just use "fsck -y". Maybe they've changed it, but at least in older versions that would only fix some things and others would require a manual run. On a machine that was busy when it crashed I'd often have to do it by hand. This was mostly with ext2 filesystems - ext3 seems fairly likely to come out ok with just the journal replay and no fsck. -- Les Mikesell les at gmail.com From robark at gmail.com Sat May 6 17:39:19 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 10:39:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FL_teachertool & Edubuntu In-Reply-To: <37b143d30605060338x197f92a9s3fb616ff36a90d50@mail.gmail.com> References: <37b143d30605060338x197f92a9s3fb616ff36a90d50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/6/06, Luis Arauz wrote: > > Has anyone gotten Teachertool to work with edubuntu Dapper? If so how did > you do it? Not possible yet. I need to customize Fl_TT to run on Edubuntu. > > Ive been able to install the app and get it up and running but it doesnt > recognize any of the users > as being on. It keeps saying "No users logged in." and then opens up the > interface. I use netstat to collect username and ip info. I suspect that doesn't work on Edubuntu. I am just about to release 0.31 for k12ltsp in the next few days. I'm finished pretty much, just testing now. Big thanks to Eric H. and Jim M. for giving me tips to speed up version 0.31. > > I know that Robert Arkiletian has mentioned that he wants to port it over to > EDubuntu but he doesnt know > how different it is from LTSP. I'm going to install Edubuntu 6.06 beta 2 this weekend. I'll see if I can start the port. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Sat May 6 17:46:13 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 13:46:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] non SMP kernel Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0605061046i51e1ccafn43cfa53c77856f1d@mail.gmail.com> I've upgraded to the latest LTSP FC5 (Beta 5) and I've noticed the the SMP kernel gets loaded. When I load the kernel-dev headers via: yum install kernel-devel they don't match. My problem is that I'm trying to load up VMware server but in order to do so I need to have it compile a kernel module. When it tries to build the module I get the error that the kernel sources don't match the currently running kernel. Here is the error: The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.16-1.2111_FC5) does not match your running kernel (version 2.6.16-1.2111_FC5smp). Even if the module were to compile successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. How do I load the non-SMP kernel. Is it avaialble for K12LTSP ? My system is just a single Intel 3.0 ghz. Jack From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat May 6 21:03:29 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 14:03:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: <445CD047.1080002@maltzen.net> References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445CD047.1080002@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <445D0F21.4050903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > Not sure if this is related or not, but I tried to run yum update on my > 5.0 beta 1 box and got this error: > > ---> Downloading header for k12ltsp-release to pack into transaction set. > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/RPMS/updates/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch > .rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Sat, > 06 May 2006 16:32:34 GMT > Server: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) > Content-Length: 363 > Connection: close > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: RPMS/updates/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch.rpm from > k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > > ??? > > Petre Clearing out your yum cache should fix you up: yum clean all yum update -Eric > Eric Harrison wrote: >> Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> Yes: Eric reported a disk crash, followed by a slow fsck, earlier today. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> Fabio Milano wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Is anyone else having problem connecting to >>>> >>>> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2EL-32bit >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> Fabio >>>> >> >> >> >> The server is back online. Yikes it can take a long time to fsck a >> couple TB of data (twice ;-) >> >> >> -Eric >> From petre at maltzen.net Sat May 6 21:50:06 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 16:50:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: <445D0F21.4050903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445CD047.1080002@maltzen.net> <445D0F21.4050903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <445D1A0E.1030507@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > >>Not sure if this is related or not, but I tried to run yum update on my >>5.0 beta 1 box and got this error: >> >>---> Downloading header for k12ltsp-release to pack into transaction set. >>http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/RPMS/updates/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch >> .rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Sat, >>06 May 2006 16:32:34 GMT >>Server: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) >>Content-Length: 363 >>Connection: close >>Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >>Trying other mirror. >>Error: failure: RPMS/updates/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch.rpm from >>k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. >> >>??? >> >>Petre > > > Clearing out your yum cache should fix you up: > > yum clean all > yum update > > -Eric That's an improvement, but now I'm getting this: Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-es is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-pt is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-hu is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-eu is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-flags is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-nl is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-sv is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-libs is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-da is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: ltsp_ltspswapd is needed by package ltsp_i386 Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-ru is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-fr is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: libassetml is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-it is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-de is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-fi is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-en is needed by package k12ltsp-education Error: Missing Dependency: ltsp_ltspfs is needed by package ltsp_i386 From petre at maltzen.net Sat May 6 21:53:23 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 16:53:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: <445D1A0E.1030507@maltzen.net> References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445CD047.1080002@maltzen.net> <445D0F21.4050903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445D1A0E.1030507@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <445D1AD3.6090908@maltzen.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> Not sure if this is related or not, but I tried to run yum update on my >>> 5.0 beta 1 box and got this error: >>> >>> ---> Downloading header for k12ltsp-release to pack into transaction >>> set. >>> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/RPMS/updates/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch >>> >>> .rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Sat, >>> 06 May 2006 16:32:34 GMT >>> Server: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) >>> Content-Length: 363 >>> Connection: close >>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >>> Trying other mirror. >>> Error: failure: RPMS/updates/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch.rpm from >>> k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. >>> >>> ??? >>> >>> Petre >> >> >> >> Clearing out your yum cache should fix you up: >> >> yum clean all >> yum update >> >> -Eric > > > That's an improvement, but now I'm getting this: > > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-es is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-pt is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-hu is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-eu is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-flags is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-nl is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-sv is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-libs is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-da is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: ltsp_ltspswapd is needed by package ltsp_i386 > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-ru is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-fr is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: libassetml is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-it is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-de is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-fi is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-en is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: ltsp_ltspfs is needed by package ltsp_i386 > I should perhaps mention that I'm trying to update from Beta 1. Petre From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat May 6 22:26:22 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 15:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: <445D1A0E.1030507@maltzen.net> References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445CD047.1080002@maltzen.net> <445D0F21.4050903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445D1A0E.1030507@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Eric Harrison wrote: >> Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> Not sure if this is related or not, but I tried to run yum update on my >>> 5.0 beta 1 box and got this error: Hmmm, this might be bug #188926 since the gcompris-* packages are in both the K12LTSP and the Fedora Extra repositories. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=188926 Try running this command: yum --disablerepo=extras update -Eric > That's an improvement, but now I'm getting this: > > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-es is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-pt is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-hu is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-eu is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-flags is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-nl is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-sv is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-libs is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-da is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: ltsp_ltspswapd is needed by package ltsp_i386 > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-ru is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-fr is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: libassetml is needed by package k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-it is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-de is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-fi is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: gcompris-sound-en is needed by package > k12ltsp-education > Error: Missing Dependency: ltsp_ltspfs is needed by package ltsp_i386 > From robark at gmail.com Sat May 6 23:03:28 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 16:03:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FL_teachertool & Edubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <37b143d30605060338x197f92a9s3fb616ff36a90d50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/6/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I'm going to install Edubuntu 6.06 beta 2 this weekend. I'll see if I > can start the port. > Installed 6.06 beta 2 I get the login screen and I am able to login but no desktop. Just a light brown screen. All I can do is kill X. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat May 6 23:51:11 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 19:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FL_teachertool & Edubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <37b143d30605060338x197f92a9s3fb616ff36a90d50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60835.70.33.151.214.1146959471.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> can you do like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg..i ha to set mine to vesa to get started...chhuck > On 5/6/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> I'm going to install Edubuntu 6.06 beta 2 this weekend. I'll see if I >> can start the port. >> > > Installed 6.06 beta 2 > I get the login screen and I am able to login but no desktop. Just a > light brown screen. All I can do is kill X. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Sun May 7 02:52:28 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:52:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] non SMP kernel In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0605061046i51e1ccafn43cfa53c77856f1d@mail.gmail.com> References: <81e6a9bf0605061046i51e1ccafn43cfa53c77856f1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1146970348.29869.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 12:46, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > I've upgraded to the latest LTSP FC5 (Beta 5) and I've noticed the the > SMP kernel gets loaded. When I load the kernel-dev headers via: > > yum install kernel-devel > > they don't match. My problem is that I'm trying to load up VMware > server but in order to do so I need to have it compile a kernel > module. When it tries to build the module I get the error that the > kernel sources don't match the currently running kernel. > > Here is the error: > The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.16-1.2111_FC5) does not match your > running kernel (version 2.6.16-1.2111_FC5smp). Even if the module were to > compile successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. > > How do I load the non-SMP kernel. Is it avaialble for K12LTSP ? My > system is just a single Intel 3.0 ghz. Hyperthreading will make that look like 2 processors. I had the same problem and think what fixed it was: yum remove kernel-devel kernel-smp-devel followed by yum install kernel-devel kernel-smp-devel but I'm not sure why that made a difference. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From robark at gmail.com Sun May 7 03:59:05 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 20:59:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FL_teachertool & Edubuntu In-Reply-To: <60835.70.33.151.214.1146959471.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <37b143d30605060338x197f92a9s3fb616ff36a90d50@mail.gmail.com> <60835.70.33.151.214.1146959471.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: On 5/6/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > can you do like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg..i ha to set mine to vesa to > get started...chhuck I tried it. I am more used to editing xorg.conf by hand (from slackware days). In any case it made no difference. X seems to start, just no desktop. I get a perfect blank brown screen. I can move my mouse but that's it. I started another virtual console and ran #apt-get update to which I discovered my eth0 was not setup properly. The docs state to set your nic to 192.168.0.254. I found this confusing since I thought this would be my internal network nic ip. Apparently it's not. Surprised they don't just instruct us to let dhcp to set the external nic like k12ltsp does. Hence, edubuntu install seems to require a net connection since it seems like my install got borked. The "getting started" docs don't differentiate between 2 nics eth0 and eth1. Is there a console based tool to setup the network interfaces like in fedora? -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dackerman at apnts.org Sun May 7 12:04:53 2006 From: dackerman at apnts.org (dackerman at apnts.org) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:04:53 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Bandwidth limiting with Squid with K12 Message-ID: <1147003493.445de26596533@mail.reachone.com> I think K12ltsp will work well for us (after tyring Ubuntu with ltsp). I am setting up squid for squidguard and dansguardian. Is there anything I need to do with the k12ltsp 5 beta5 to activate these? I also want to use squid to limit bandwidth because the ltsp server will also be used as a file server and internet gateway for about 50 residential students. I don't want them to hog the bandwidth. What should I do for this? I have seen directions at http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/firewalls/Bandwidth-Limiting-HOWTO/ and it says to uninstall squid and then reinstall and some other directions. Has anyone done this with squid with K12? I don't want to break the system because I do not know much about IP tables, etc. I just copy what is there. If anyone has a squid.conf I could copy, that would really be great, or can give me specific directions for setting this up. Thanks. These are really important projects for us, and we are in first grade trying to read college books. DAvid From petre at maltzen.net Sun May 7 12:16:51 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 07:16:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445CD047.1080002@maltzen.net> <445D0F21.4050903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445D1A0E.1030507@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <445DE533.2010404@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 6 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> >> Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>> >>>> Not sure if this is related or not, but I tried to run yum update on my >>>> 5.0 beta 1 box and got this error: > > > Hmmm, this might be bug #188926 since the gcompris-* packages are in > both the K12LTSP and the Fedora Extra repositories. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=188926 > > Try running this command: > > yum --disablerepo=extras update > Nope, I still get the same error. Petre From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun May 7 14:11:21 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 10:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FL_teachertool & Edubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <37b143d30605060338x197f92a9s3fb616ff36a90d50@mail.gmail.com> <60835.70.33.151.214.1146959471.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <51803.70.33.151.214.1147011081.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> is it possible it is monitor settings vert refresh set too high? i dont know if xvidtune from a live cd is possible ib dapper From dackerman at apnts.org Sun May 7 14:24:11 2006 From: dackerman at apnts.org (dackerman at apnts.org) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 22:24:11 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling Dansguardian on Beta 5 Message-ID: <1147011851.445e030b59509@mail.reachone.com> In addition to my earlier question about bandwidth, I have been searching the internet for hours with no clear answers about the following. How can I enable Dansguardian and Squidguard on 5.0 beta 5? Squidguard works by default but Dansguardian fails to start. I have read something about ports and iptables, but several different things. Can anyone just layout the commands simple and clear? I need it so any computer using the internet through the k12 server will be filtered (not just thin clients). As far as I read, it takes ip forwarding (so I don't have to configure browsers or have people bypass proxy). I found notes on the following: 1. httpd.conf Listen 8080 2. dansguardian.conf filterport=8080 3. squid.conf Listen 3128 4. iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --d port 3128 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080 I am not sure if this is all I need to do or if the above are the right commands. Help . . . Is it really necessary to run both filters, or is Squidguard good enough for most schools? David From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun May 7 14:24:43 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 07:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: <445DE533.2010404@maltzen.net> References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445CD047.1080002@maltzen.net> <445D0F21.4050903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445D1A0E.1030507@maltzen.net> <445DE533.2010404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Sat, 6 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> >>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> >>>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>>> >>>>> Not sure if this is related or not, but I tried to run yum update on my >>>>> 5.0 beta 1 box and got this error: >> >> >> Hmmm, this might be bug #188926 since the gcompris-* packages are in >> both the K12LTSP and the Fedora Extra repositories. >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=188926 >> >> Try running this command: >> >> yum --disablerepo=extras update >> > Nope, I still get the same error. > > Petre > Hmmm. Ok, first lets make sure that we minimize that this as a yum bug by updating the the latest package: yum install yum Once that is installed, then try updating again: yum clean all yum update If any of these give you an error, can you post the whole output? -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun May 7 14:54:46 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 07:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling Dansguardian on Beta 5 In-Reply-To: <1147011851.445e030b59509@mail.reachone.com> References: <1147011851.445e030b59509@mail.reachone.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 May 2006 dackerman at apnts.org wrote: > In addition to my earlier question about bandwidth, I have been searching the > internet for hours with no clear answers about the following. How can I enable > Dansguardian and Squidguard on 5.0 beta 5? One of my goals for K12LTSP 5.0 was to integrate DansGuardian into K12LTSP to the same degree that squidGuard is. It is mostly done, I'll see if I can finish it off this morning. I'll post a short HOWTO when it is done (but don't hold your breath that it will be done today ;-) > Squidguard works by default but > Dansguardian fails to start. I have read something about ports and iptables, > but several different things. Can anyone just layout the commands simple and > clear? I need it so any computer using the internet through the k12 server > will be filtered (not just thin clients). As far as I read, it takes ip > forwarding (so I don't have to configure browsers or have people bypass proxy). Here is the K12LTSP wiki page on transparent proxying: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering%3AIntegration > I found notes on the following: > 1. httpd.conf Listen 8080 This is definately wrong, no modifications to Apache (httpd) are needed. You can not have two services listening on the same port, this is probably why DansGuardian will not start. > 2. dansguardian.conf filterport=8080 > 3. squid.conf Listen 3128 These are defaults. > 4. iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --d port 3128 -j REDIRECT > --to-port 8080 This is the command that I will add to the K12LTSP DansGuardian package: /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080 Be sure to read the web filtering integration page for all of the gotchas and limitations of transparent proxies: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering%3AIntegration > I am not sure if this is all I need to do or if the above are the right > commands. Help . . . > Is it really necessary to run both filters, or is Squidguard good enough for > most schools? The current stable version of DansGuardian is only missing one feature from K12LTSP: the ability to force on "safe mode" for Google searches. This will change in the near future, the development version of DansGuardian adds this feature. The SquidGuard vs DansGuardian wiki page is a bit aged, but still mostly accurate: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering%3ASquidGuardVsDansGuardian -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun May 7 15:12:16 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 08:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Bandwidth limiting with Squid with K12 In-Reply-To: <1147003493.445de26596533@mail.reachone.com> References: <1147003493.445de26596533@mail.reachone.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 May 2006 dackerman at apnts.org wrote: > I think K12ltsp will work well for us (after tyring Ubuntu with ltsp). I am > setting up squid for squidguard and dansguardian. Is there anything I need to > do with the k12ltsp 5 beta5 to activate these? > > I also want to use squid to limit bandwidth because the ltsp server will also be > used as a file server and internet gateway for about 50 residential students. I > don't want them to hog the bandwidth. What should I do for this? I have seen > directions at > http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/firewalls/Bandwidth-Limiting-HOWTO/ > and it says to uninstall squid and then reinstall and some other directions. > Has anyone done this with squid with K12? I don't want to break the system > because I do not know much about IP tables, etc. I just copy what is there. > If anyone has a squid.conf I could copy, that would really be great, or can > give me specific directions for setting this up. Thanks. These are really > important projects for us, and we are in first grade trying to read college > books. > > DAvid > You do not need to reinstall squid, the version in K12LTSP includes the delay pools feature. Note that the document you linked to is from 2001. That is ancient, much of it will not apply to a recent Linux distro (kinda like using Windows 3.1 documentation to work on Windows XP) As for configuring delay pools, it is pretty well documented in squid's example config file: /etc/squid/squid.conf.defaults Here is a simple example that you can append to /etc/squid/squid.conf delay_pools 0 delay_class 1 2 delay_access 1 allow all delay_parameters 1 -1/-1 8000/8000 What this does is limit all users going to all web sites to a maximum of 64kbps. See the additional examples in /etc/squid/squid.conf.defaults if you want to do something more complicated. -Eric From robark at gmail.com Sun May 7 16:17:05 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 09:17:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FL_teachertool & Edubuntu In-Reply-To: <51803.70.33.151.214.1147011081.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <37b143d30605060338x197f92a9s3fb616ff36a90d50@mail.gmail.com> <60835.70.33.151.214.1146959471.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <51803.70.33.151.214.1147011081.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: On 5/7/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > is it possible it is monitor settings vert refresh set too high? i dont > know if xvidtune from a live cd is possible ib dapper No the it's not the vert refresh. Thanks for trying to help chuck. I think I'm going to wait for Edubuntu 6.06 final. The server I'm trying to install it on is fairly new. It's a dual core Pent D on a i945 MB and an newer ATI Radeon and SATA. I have had no probs running FC5 on it. Anyway I spent most of the day yesterday trying to install Edubuntu beta 2 on it. I just don't have the time to spend days on, what should be, a simple install. I think Oliver Grawert started dev on TeachersPet for Edubuntu which is similar to FL_TeacherTool. Perhaps he is close to finishing it. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dhhoward at comcast.net Sun May 7 16:32:02 2006 From: dhhoward at comcast.net (Daniel Howard) Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 12:32:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] what is the maximum number of clients per serve] Message-ID: <445E2102.2050204@comcast.net> Folks, next year we're going to move to an enterprise model from our current model of one server per class, and try to minimize the number of servers in the school, but shoot for a 2:1 student to PC ratio. A school like ours with on the order of 700 kids would then have 350 clients. Assuming server cost is not an issue, and we separate the boot, authentication/file storage, and application servers, what kind of monster servers would we need, and how many clients could each serve? It's an elementary school, so high levels of graphics and animation will be involved (Flash web sites, Tuxtype, etc.). For word processing, we can stick with Abiword if OpenOffice causes the answer to change drastically. TIA, Daniel From luisarauz at gmail.com Sun May 7 16:55:07 2006 From: luisarauz at gmail.com (Luis Arauz) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 11:55:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FL_teachertool & Edubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <37b143d30605060338x197f92a9s3fb616ff36a90d50@mail.gmail.com> <60835.70.33.151.214.1146959471.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <51803.70.33.151.214.1147011081.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <37b143d30605070955m6a92d8c4v3248cb5053697d5@mail.gmail.com> Ok good to know its not just me. so if i use the LTSP source from ltsp.org on ubuntu i should be just fine using teachertool. but if I use the LTSP in the Ubuntu repositories thats MUEKOW not straight LTSP right? As far as your problem, I had the same thing with the brown screen. Turned out to be a problem with ssh. You need to upgrade to the 4.3+ version of openssh-server then you need to $ sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys reboot the client, then login Also seems that sometimes you will not be able to log in to a second account right after logging off of a previous one. Seems to be a problem with how sshd handles IPv6. add AddressFamily inet to /etc/ssh/sshd_config then restart the ssh server. That took care of the log in problems For more info check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto Let me know how this works out for you Thanks for your help. I look forward to the update Luis On 5/7/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 5/7/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > is it possible it is monitor settings vert refresh set too high? i dont > > know if xvidtune from a live cd is possible ib dapper > > No the it's not the vert refresh. Thanks for trying to help chuck. I > think I'm going to wait for Edubuntu 6.06 final. The server I'm trying > to install it on is fairly new. It's a dual core Pent D on a i945 MB > and an newer ATI Radeon and SATA. I have had no probs running FC5 on > it. Anyway I spent most of the day yesterday trying to install > Edubuntu beta 2 on it. I just don't have the time to spend days on, > what should be, a simple install. I think Oliver Grawert started dev > on TeachersPet for Edubuntu which is similar to FL_TeacherTool. > Perhaps he is close to finishing it. > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun May 7 17:19:07 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling Dansguardian on Beta 5 In-Reply-To: References: <1147011851.445e030b59509@mail.reachone.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 May 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 7 May 2006 dackerman at apnts.org wrote: > >> In addition to my earlier question about bandwidth, I have been searching >> the >> internet for hours with no clear answers about the following. How can I >> enable >> Dansguardian and Squidguard on 5.0 beta 5? Keep in mind this is all in beta, it may not work as advertised ;-) I added a new DansGuardian package to the 5.0 beta repositories, you can install it with: yum install DansGuardian Once installed, make sure you have squid and dansguardian turned on and running: /sbin/service squid restart /sbin/service dansguardian restart /sbin/chkconfig squid on /sbin/chkconfig dansguardian on There is a new service, transparent-proxying-dg, that does the transparent proxying magic for Dans Guardian: /sbin/serivce transparent-proxying-dg start /sbin/chkconfig transparent-proxying-dg on This version of DansGuardian also uses the squidGuard blacklists and automatically updates itself from the K12LTSP blacklists every night. The blacklists for DansGuardian are in /var/blacklists/ This is kept seperate from the squidGuard blacklists (/var/squidGuard/blacklists) because DansGuardian needs the lists to be randomly sorted. You can add sites to block/unblock by editing /var/blacklists/local-block/* and /var/blacklists/local-ok/* and running /etc/cron.daily/dansguardian If you run into difficulties, especially getting transparent proxying to work, be sure to read the K12LTSP wiki page on integrating a web filter into your network: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering%3AIntegration -Eric From petre at maltzen.net Sun May 7 17:49:36 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 12:49:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445CD047.1080002@maltzen.net> <445D0F21.4050903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445D1A0E.1030507@maltzen.net> <445DE533.2010404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <445E3330.5080503@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 7 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 6 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>> >>>>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Not sure if this is related or not, but I tried to run yum update >>>>>> on my >>>>>> 5.0 beta 1 box and got this error: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hmmm, this might be bug #188926 since the gcompris-* packages are in >>> both the K12LTSP and the Fedora Extra repositories. >>> >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=188926 >>> >>> Try running this command: >>> >>> yum --disablerepo=extras update >>> >> Nope, I still get the same error. >> >> Petre >> > > Hmmm. Ok, first lets make sure that we minimize that this as a yum bug by > updating the the latest package: > > yum install yum > > Once that is installed, then try updating again: > > yum clean all > yum update > > If any of these give you an error, can you post the whole output? > > -Eric After running 'yum install yum' and 'yum clean all', I'm getting a new error when I run 'yum update'. Here's the whole output as requested: [root at elk ~]# yum update Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories livna [1/6] livna 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 core [2/6] core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 k12ltsp [3/6] k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates [4/6] updates 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 webmin [5/6] webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras [6/6] extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 97 kB 00:00 livna : ################################################## 295/295 Added 295 new packages, deleted 0 old in 11.74 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 767 kB 00:05 core : ################################################## 2207/2207 Added 2207 new packages, deleted 0 old in 64.37 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:35 k12ltsp : ################################################## 3455/3455 Added 3455 new packages, deleted 0 old in 108.02 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 313 kB 00:02 updates : ################################################## 1000/1000 Added 1000 new packages, deleted 0 old in 36.99 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 969 B 00:00 webmin : ################################################## 2/2 Added 2 new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.07 seconds ftp://mirror.newnanutilities.org/pub/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp error] 421 There are too many connected users, please try later. Trying other mirror. primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:13 http://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum Trying other mirror. primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 958 kB 00:06 ftp://fedora.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core-extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum Trying other mirror. primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:06 http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/fedora.redhat/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum Trying other mirror. primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:06 ftp://fedora.bu.edu/fedora/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum Trying other mirror. http://mirror.clarkson.edu/pub/distributions/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 17:40:58 GMT Server: Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat) Content-Length: 352 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Trying other mirror. primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:07 http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum Trying other mirror. primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 01:22 http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum Trying other mirror. Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from extras: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. Thanks Eric. From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun May 7 18:56:19 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 14:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FL_teachertool & Edubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <37b143d30605060338x197f92a9s3fb616ff36a90d50@mail.gmail.com> <60835.70.33.151.214.1146959471.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <51803.70.33.151.214.1147011081.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <55696.70.33.151.214.1147028179.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> the dapper machine is also a dell with an ati radeon x600? (from memory..ill lookfor xorg.conf..but i know it is temporarily using vesa driver From onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca Sun May 7 22:35:16 2006 From: onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca (Onatawahtaw) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 15:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Admin for Schools 1.98 released! In-Reply-To: <1146874185.4417.14.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <20060507223516.45566.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Les Richardson has just released a new version (1.98) of Open Admin. Some new features include: transcripts with multi-year retention, attendance scanning for automatic creation of discipline entries and form letters for home mailings, enhancements to the gradebook, and some minor bug fixes. The address is: richtech.ca/openadmin. God bless, -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun May 7 23:22:41 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 19:22:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Dansguardian HowTo Message-ID: <1147044161.15020.1.camel@pluto> All, Does anyone know of any good and detailed Dansguardian HowTos? I was on the Dansguardian website but would like to see something more detailed. Thanks. -Paul From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon May 8 00:40:00 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 19:40:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Dansguardian HowTo Message-ID: <1147048800.22431.18.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hello Paul, I found that it is good to get a good understanding of how DG does it "redirecting" as far as proxy ports etc. The bottom line is just install DG via whatever the latest rpm is for your K12ltsp version. (It is in the K12LTSP iso's) for whatever version of K12LTSP you are using. Then the next key element is make sure you have Webmin installed. Next download the DG module for Webmin. This makes it so easy to manage and learn whats inside of DG. I never would have figured out the inner workings of DG without the use of Webmin, and the DG Webmin module. All you need to do once installing the DG rpm is start Squid in server services then start DG via Webmin /Bootup- services. and DG will start doing its thing, providing you have the correct DG proxy number entered on your K12LTSP server for the clients to filter through. It would be something like port 8080 in your webbrowser. Now to test to see if DG is actually functioning type in ---.badboys.com You should get access denied. One thing to keep in mind if you decide to download a blacklist set,then enable all of these in DG you can shoot yourself in the foot, as these can be very restrictive. I done this a year ago and was stopping lots of research sites,that teachers were wanting access to:(.I finally just went with the default DG install and this seems adaquate for a school scenario which is mostly weighted phraselists. Let me know if you run into any snags. The school that our school consolidated with this past school year, was running sonicwall that they had just purchased the year previous. The guy in charge of their network said, after seeing how DG was setup at our school Sonciwall was a nightmare &( and a money pit), from the get go. We have been using DG for three years now, Very solid,and easy, with Webmin,is all i can say.It even works with our Webmail/Squirrelmail as far as will block nasty language in emails that are sent, for instance. Kinda cool. Hope this helps a little. Have a good week. Barry Cisna From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon May 8 01:20:27 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 19:20:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Smart boards Message-ID: <445E9CDB.70105@elp.rr.com> 1. Where can I acquire the driver/software .rpm package that will allow me to use a smart board connected to a terminal? 2. where can I find instructions for doing the needed installation quirks to make the smart board work correctly? Thanks Pat From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Mon May 8 02:10:57 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 19:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel headers needed In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0605060655y2ebac631we0752c744fb41039@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060508021057.55999.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jack, You probably need to install the so-called VMware any-any update to get VMware server to run. I used it to get VMware server to run on one K12LTSP, and VMware player running on another K12LTSP computer (both running FC4). The short version is to do the following: 1) follow VMware's Linux installation instructions... but before running "vmware-config.pl", install the any-any update 2) installing the any-any update: * download the latest any-any patch from ftp://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware * the patch file name takes the form "vmware-any-any-update###.tar.gz", where "###" is a sequential release number * unpack * enter the unpacked directory and run "./runme.pl" 3) if "runme.pl" didn't kick off "vmware-config.pl", then run it and continue on in VMware's insallation instructions For details on this patch, go to the following link: http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=26693&tstart=0 VMware's Linux installation instructions are at: http://www.vmware.com/support/server/doc/releasenotes_server_beta.html#linuxinstall HTH, David Whitmer Media and Technology Director Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) ----- Original Message ---- From: Jack Palmadesso To: K12OSN at redhat.com Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2006 9:55:14 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel headers needed I'm playing around with a copy of VMware server but to properly configure it I need the kernel headers. Fedora seems to have changed thinngs around a bit. I cannot find the "kernel-sources". After checking it seems I need the SRC RPM file and build it myself. Can anybody point me to the proper yum syntax to get what I need? I'm running KLTSP FC5 with the latest updates. Jack _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From william at fragakis.com Mon May 8 05:10:21 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 01:10:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] server sizing... again In-Reply-To: <20060507160025.3DC9B73314@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060507160025.3DC9B73314@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1147065021.28309.37.camel@server.ltsp> I know this subject has been done to death (and I've read the wiki). Our experience has been on the smaller side of things- our biggest server is a dual core P4 4 gb ram with a software RAID 1 with 2 10k SATA drives. We have about 40 clients on it. But, we are being asked as a "Skunkworks" project (hush-hush for the moment) to come up with some true enterprise server configs. Assuming we offload the /opt/lts and /home directories elsewhere, how many clients can we load onto something like a dual core opteron (say, 280 with 4 gb RAM)? The server will be in a K-5 environment and used to do a lot of graphics intensive applications such as Flash-based web sites, TuxMath, etc. The users won't be concurrent. But the performance has to be "snappy". If this goes well, big things may come afterwards. So, we want to get it right the first time. Can we go 60 or 80 clients without problems? Would going to two dual core CPUS help significantly? (Adds about $1000 to the cost) Regards, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com From sbarar at gmail.com Mon May 8 09:05:54 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:35:54 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] server sizing... again In-Reply-To: <1147065021.28309.37.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20060507160025.3DC9B73314@hormel.redhat.com> <1147065021.28309.37.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <774593a20605080205v3cd95fd3i8232332e10a6b336@mail.gmail.com> On 08/05/06, William Fragakis wrote: > The server will be in a K-5 environment and used to do a lot of graphics > intensive applications such as Flash-based web sites, TuxMath, etc. The > users won't be concurrent. But the performance has to be "snappy". If > this goes well, big things may come afterwards. So, we want to get it > right the first time. > > Can we go 60 or 80 clients without problems? > > Would going to two dual core CPUS help significantly? (Adds about $1000 > to the cost) KISS: Dual core dual Xeon CPU MoBo wih as much RAM and fastest SCSI's Raid5 That said recently we have tried setting up two servers with dhcpd load balancing on the same network. Things have been pretty good for last three days in office environment. Users have started feeling the difference and no longer chorus of system is soooo slow today is being heard. Head for LTSP wiki for details. If the skunk works needs to be positive I would rather go with this approach and add number of servers based on thumb rule of one server per 10~20 people supported by a fast scsi raid5 server for NFS mounts for /home directory. Would further add a subnet of 1000mbps network for servers to talk to each other. Builds in a bit of redundancy also allowing for one server to be taken off for wahetever once in a while without users howling. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From thepiano at telenet.be Mon May 8 09:22:58 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:22:58 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE group on LTSP 4.2 in ldap.. In-Reply-To: <44436.169.244.70.148.1144442505.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <4436BA98.9060203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44436.169.244.70.148.1144442505.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <588B5FAD-7021-4A83-B400-8BE952CD2A3C@telenet.be> Could you share the little script please? Op 7-apr-06, om 22:41 heeft cliebow at midmaine.com het volgende geschreven: > I wrote a little script to add the group to ldap..inserted meself in > it..and that works fine..still having a prob with libfuse ..i had to > compile fuse so libraries were in the wrong place...David if you > want it > to alter for you setup i have it ..chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon May 8 11:22:06 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 06:22:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to kill rogue imap-login processes? Message-ID: <1147087326.11721.9.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello List, Was wondering if anyone might have any ideas on how to kill rogue, dovecot imap-login processes on a server? This is not a big deal but I found that our email server by running top has not been restarted in 35 days, & it does seem just a tad sluggish,as compared to the way it usually runs. By running the system monitor/processes GUI it shows almost 300 imap-login processes at about 4.5 MB of memory each. I guess I've probably just never noticed this before. I'm sure the problem will be if someone IS actually logged into the server via Squirrelmail, and running a script to kill these processes I will catch all kinds of ---- with people saying " the email server kicked me off":(.If I look at cpu and memory on this server cpu usage is only 5% and memory has only used about half available. Possible cron job of some sort ? Don't know how to go about it. Using K12LTSP v 4.1.1 TIA Barry Cisna From dackerman at apnts.org Mon May 8 11:36:32 2006 From: dackerman at apnts.org (David Ackerman) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:36:32 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling Dansguardian on Beta 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c67293$acf6c410$9866a8c0@DAGATEWAY> Thanks for the excellent help, exactly what I needed. I got the ltsp server to filter Windows machines connected to it by changing the proxy in Internet Explorer to the server IP and then port 8080 and it works (without this no connection). However, I could not get the thin clients to filter as well. I had some other problems with clients today (this is a fresh install this weekend). I got to boot a Neoware Capio 620 which I reprogrammed the DOM with etherboot; it works fine. But, I could not get my main thin clients to boot. Half way through the start ups, I get this error: RAMDISK: couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. Kernel panic-not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (1,). These are Pentium III (either 733 or 566) with S3 Trio3d 2/x video cards. They worked with Ubuntu with LTSP a few days ago (I gave this up for K12LTSP). What is the difference and what can I do to fix this? When I get this figured out, I have met all our local goals for a student network. Really awesome. David -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:19 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Enabling Dansguardian on Beta 5 On Sun, 7 May 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 7 May 2006 dackerman at apnts.org wrote: > >> In addition to my earlier question about bandwidth, I have been searching >> the >> internet for hours with no clear answers about the following. How can I >> enable >> Dansguardian and Squidguard on 5.0 beta 5? Keep in mind this is all in beta, it may not work as advertised ;-) I added a new DansGuardian package to the 5.0 beta repositories, you can install it with: yum install DansGuardian Once installed, make sure you have squid and dansguardian turned on and running: /sbin/service squid restart /sbin/service dansguardian restart /sbin/chkconfig squid on /sbin/chkconfig dansguardian on There is a new service, transparent-proxying-dg, that does the transparent proxying magic for Dans Guardian: /sbin/serivce transparent-proxying-dg start /sbin/chkconfig transparent-proxying-dg on This version of DansGuardian also uses the squidGuard blacklists and automatically updates itself from the K12LTSP blacklists every night. The blacklists for DansGuardian are in /var/blacklists/ This is kept seperate from the squidGuard blacklists (/var/squidGuard/blacklists) because DansGuardian needs the lists to be randomly sorted. You can add sites to block/unblock by editing /var/blacklists/local-block/* and /var/blacklists/local-ok/* and running /etc/cron.daily/dansguardian If you run into difficulties, especially getting transparent proxying to work, be sure to read the K12LTSP wiki page on integrating a web filter into your network: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering%3AIntegration -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon May 8 11:49:31 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 07:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE group on LTSP 4.2 in ldap.. In-Reply-To: <588B5FAD-7021-4A83-B400-8BE952CD2A3C@telenet.be> References: <4436BA98.9060203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44436.169.244.70.148.1144442505.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <588B5FAD-7021-4A83-B400-8BE952CD2A3C@telenet.be> Message-ID: <29951.169.244.70.148.1147088971.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> kevin: you'll have to put in your own SID and group nmber..I told you it was little 8~)..it cold be augmented by auto-getting the SID..and next group id from sambaDomainName if you need to get fancy..chuck From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon May 8 12:01:43 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 07:01:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server sizing... again In-Reply-To: <774593a20605080205v3cd95fd3i8232332e10a6b336@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060507160025.3DC9B73314@hormel.redhat.com> <1147065021.28309.37.camel@server.ltsp> <774593a20605080205v3cd95fd3i8232332e10a6b336@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C143E7C-B01E-4DB3-BDF1-78E9C214063B@mindfirestudios.com> Just make sure /home is on fast SCSI drives in RAID 1, 5, or 10. Actually, the box with NFS /home and NIS/LDAP doesn't need too much horsepower in terms of RAM or CPU. 1-2 GB of RAM and a standard Athlon 64 ought to be more than enough, unless you have a gigantic setup. It's going to be primarily disk and network bound. All the servers need GIGEthernet. The LTSP servers (not the NFS/NIS machine) can get by with software RAID 1 on IDE/SATA disks (you don't even really need 10k rpm drives here, save that money and spend it on more RAM). Here you want dual core/ dual processor and lots of RAM. It's basically an app server. Users aren't writing to the actual disks here, the only writing is happening in /var in the temp files and logs. From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon May 8 12:13:54 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 07:13:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Smart boards Message-ID: <1147090434.11721.18.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hi John, In regards to your Smart Board question, I tried two years ago to get the Smart Board software to work on Linux/K12LTSP, & to make a long story short it never did work:(. I even done a default install of an old Linux Mandrake version that the Smart Technology software was suppose to support. Again, long story short, it did not work either. Lots of hours spent trying and re-trying, still no joy. I even tried running the Windows version via Wine, and got close but no go.The problem seems to be with all of the tray icon stuff for SB software is what is the killer from what i can gather. If you are running K12LTSP v4.1.1 the RHEL version of the linux software at Smart Technolgy's site will install. Don't know why that is? The version specified for just plain old linux will not uncompress due to it is an Java compressed bin file and dies while trying to decompress it. I tried soft linking ,unlinking, relinking,,,yada yada. If you have any success please post it here. Take Care, Barry Cisna From thepiano at telenet.be Mon May 8 13:42:46 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:42:46 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE group on LTSP 4.2 in ldap.. In-Reply-To: <29951.169.244.70.148.1147088971.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <4436BA98.9060203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44436.169.244.70.148.1144442505.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <588B5FAD-7021-4A83-B400-8BE952CD2A3C@telenet.be> <29951.169.244.70.148.1147088971.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <6CAB5CCE-B88C-461E-8996-622AA4B95B30@telenet.be> forgot the attach? Kevin Op 8-mei-06, om 13:49 heeft cliebow at midmaine.com het volgende geschreven: > kevin: you'll have to put in your own SID and group nmber..I told > you it > was little 8~)..it cold be augmented by auto-getting the SID..and next > group id from sambaDomainName if you need to get fancy..chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Mon May 8 14:43:04 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 17:43:04 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] TFTP problem, same problem again In-Reply-To: <774593a20605080205v3cd95fd3i8232332e10a6b336@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060507160025.3DC9B73314@hormel.redhat.com> <1147065021.28309.37.camel@server.ltsp> <774593a20605080205v3cd95fd3i8232332e10a6b336@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060508174304.7l65xy2oglwsw008@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Sorry to disturb you folks again, but I'm in trouble. I have been using k12ltsp for some years home (3-4 ws) with no problems. Actually nearly none maintenance has been needed. Now I installed 4.4.1 on an old 4 x Xeon 450 MHz / 2Gb ram server in our IT-lab. Actually I have installed it three times... For some reason every time I got the same problem: workstations will get IP from server but then its stucks to "TFTP........" and nothing happens. Now I wrote down every thing I did and I now when the problem shows. When I added about 300 users by Webmin, booting does not work any more. The strange thing, I added about 20 and it worked, but after those 300, it did not work. My linux-knowledge is very little. I'm thinking that for some reason the path to ltsp-kernel and initrd is somehow lost. And I don,t what file I should check. Or am I able to do the thing with Webmin. Could give me a hint? With this kowledge my only way to it is 1) install again 2) not to use webmin. P.S. I have not used webmin before. mikkoj From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon May 8 14:57:18 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:57:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Server 2003 device CAL question Message-ID: <9bd317560605080757h5f348572jdf3166a8f56f872c@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for the OT question, but does rdesktop run locally? Just wondering if one needs device CALs for all seats or just one for the server. Wishfull thinking.... Thanks, Peter From les at futuresource.com Mon May 8 15:05:33 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 10:05:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server sizing... again In-Reply-To: <774593a20605080205v3cd95fd3i8232332e10a6b336@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060507160025.3DC9B73314@hormel.redhat.com> <1147065021.28309.37.camel@server.ltsp> <774593a20605080205v3cd95fd3i8232332e10a6b336@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1147100732.31135.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 04:05, Sudev Barar wrote: > KISS: Dual core dual Xeon CPU MoBo wih as much RAM and fastest SCSI's Raid5 > > That said recently we have tried setting up two servers with dhcpd > load balancing on the same network. Things have been pretty good for > last three days in office environment. Users have started feeling the > difference and no longer chorus of system is soooo slow today is being > heard. Head for LTSP wiki for details. An interesting variation here would be to move home directories and authentication to a central machine and add a server or two to the backbone network but continue to use classroom servers wherever you have a concentration of clients and a convenient location to park the local server and switch. In this scenario the local servers can all be clones with no individual configuration required so you eliminate local maintenance and if you have some spare capacity on the backbone servers you could just change the local switch connection to use them if a local server fails. That seems like a safer way to go if you already have some number of classroom servers. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Mon May 8 15:07:54 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:07:54 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] TFTP problem, same problem again In-Reply-To: <20060508174304.7l65xy2oglwsw008@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> References: <20060507160025.3DC9B73314@hormel.redhat.com> <1147065021.28309.37.camel@server.ltsp> <774593a20605080205v3cd95fd3i8232332e10a6b336@mail.gmail.com> <20060508174304.7l65xy2oglwsw008@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: <20060508180754.sfbyepgz2aokwo0s@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> > Actually I have installed it three times... For some reason every > time I got the > same problem: workstations will get IP from server but then its stucks to > "TFTP........" and nothing happens. > > Now I wrote down every thing I did and I now when the problem shows. When I > added about 300 users by Webmin, booting does not work any more. The strange > thing, I added about 20 and it worked, but after those 300, it did not work. My own first idea is to tun K12Linux-LTSP-Initialize, but have not any idea where it gets the configuration. Or how about running ltspcfg? Yours, mikkoj From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon May 8 15:22:04 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:22:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: Server 2003 device CAL question In-Reply-To: <9bd317560605080757h5f348572jdf3166a8f56f872c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560605080757h5f348572jdf3166a8f56f872c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560605080822x2e6a30b8hc89933648c1ced12@mail.gmail.com> Sorry i see that this was covered. On 5/8/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Sorry for the OT question, but does rdesktop run locally? Just > wondering if one needs device CALs for all seats or just one for the > server. Wishfull thinking.... > > Thanks, > Peter > From k12ltsp at hermon.net Mon May 8 15:48:13 2006 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 11:48:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Timeout Setting Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'd like to know if anyone knows how we can turn off the screen timeout that occurs when there's no activity on a terminal. We are using K12LTSP version 4.2.1. Here's what we are doing: We have installed a Safari Montage server for our district (http://www.safarimontage.com). Basically, it's a web server that hosts a library of thousands of educational titles, such as NOVA, PBS, etc.. that students at their terminal can access and play full screen. We have several terminals connected to projectors that are used by teachers to play these videos. They are hi-quality WMV video streams which are played through MPlayerPlug-in. However, while the video plays, the screen timeout feature gets in the way. The video stops along with the audio, and someone has to head back to the terminal, and move the mouse to get it going again. Does anyone know how this feature can be turned off? Thank you! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Owen Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From robark at gmail.com Mon May 8 16:01:37 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:01:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Timeout Setting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/8/06, k12ltsp wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to know if anyone knows how we can turn off the screen timeout > that occurs when there's no activity on a terminal. We are using K12LTSP > version 4.2.1. Here's what we are doing: > However, while the video plays, the screen timeout feature gets in the > way. The video stops along with the audio, and someone has to head back to > the terminal, and move the mouse to get it going again. > > Does anyone know how this feature can be turned off? if it's xscreensaver try "xscreensaver-demo" if it's the monitor going into power saving mode then try editing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and change the dpms suspend time line # Video drivers for the terminals XSERVER = auto # XFree 4 drivers: ati cirrus cyrix fbdev i128 i740 i810 mga # neomagic nv r128 radeon rendition s3 s3virge savage # siliconmotion sis tdfx tga trident tseng vesa vga # XFree 3 drivers: XF86_FBDev XF86_S3 XF86_S3V XF86_SVGA # XF86_VGA16 XFree86 Xvesa X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 X_DPMS = Y X_DPMS_SUSPENDTIME = 15 X4_MODULE_01 = glx X4_MODULE_02 = vnc # add the GLX module by default, blender and the like need it -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon May 8 10:40:11 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 04:40:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] fusermount error on CRC error Message-ID: <445F200B.5070007@saskforestcentre.ca> I had a problem with a CD-RW on an older client drive- I tried to read a file, and it failed. Then the drive stopped responding to the system. I popped over to a screen VC, and got a CRC error report on the console. I put the disc into a drive on a non-terminal machine, and the file got a CRC error too, which rules out the hardware, I suppose. But this other machine (a windows machine) was still able to read the disc after the CRC error. I suspect the fusermount program is ok, as it can still read other media on the same terminal. The problem is most likely with the program doing the local reading ( I think, anyway). Just another bug report, I don't know what to do, but I would like to recover more gracefully. Any thoughts? Angus Carr. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon May 8 16:59:11 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:59:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware: SSI EEB 3.0 form factor? Message-ID: <9bd317560605080959u5ee04201p1b0dfa4d951c4ccf@mail.gmail.com> Does anybody know what this SSI EEB 3.0 form factor is all about? The plug layout looks like ATX to me. Trying to figure out if it'll fit in this case: http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?SCriteria=BA22345&CartID=done&nextloc= Kinda weird that Newegg isn't selling rackmount server cases. Thanks! From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Mon May 8 17:34:47 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:34:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Amanda Backup In-Reply-To: <1146934181.28746.42.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200605081823.k48INsBR027933@mx1.redhat.com> I am trying to install BackUpPC using the apt-get install command. I am getting errors Failed to Fetch Mirror file List: Any suggestions? Mark Sarria Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 -----Original Message----- From: Les Mikesell [mailto:les at futuresource.com] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 9:50 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Amanda Backup On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 11:12, Mark Sarria wrote: > Does anyone have a working Amanda configuration to backup to disk instead of > tape? If you define a tape and just don't make it available, amanda will leave the backups in your holding disk space and it knows how to restore from there. They have recently added a cleaner way to do it, but if you are only going to use disk storage I'd recommend backuppc instead of amanda. It uses compression and duplicate pooling to get about 10x more than you would expect on a disk. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From robert.pogson at gmail.com Mon May 8 19:50:16 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 14:50:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Smart boards In-Reply-To: <20060417160034.7FA2473492@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060417160034.7FA2473492@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1147117816.26851.45.camel@beast> "John P. Conlon" wrote: 1. Where can I acquire the driver/software .rpm package that will allow me to use a smart board connected to a terminal? 2. where can I find instructions for doing the needed installation quirks to make the smart board work correctly? Thanks Pat http://www.smarttech.com/support/software/index.asp I haven't tried this with Linux as I find I prefer to sit at a console and use Gromit to draw on a white screen with a projector and a mouse. I suppose it depends on the presenter and the audience which is best. I try to do as much as possible on the monitors with the projector just being an enlarged version of the screen. When I first saw the interactive whiteboards demonstrated, I thought they took considerable skill and practice (like weather people) to do well. When we can do almost everything with the usual tools. I have been in classes where it was definitely a no-no to turn one's back on the audience to glance at the whiteboard. I have not heard of any FLOSS for Smartboards. Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon May 8 19:59:48 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 14:59:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Amanda Backup In-Reply-To: <200605081823.k48INsBR027933@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200605081823.k48INsBR027933@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1147118388.31135.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 12:34, Mark Sarria wrote: > I am trying to install BackUpPC using the apt-get install command. I am > getting errors > > Failed to Fetch Mirror file List: > > Any suggestions? What OS distribution are you using? It is only packaged for apt-get on debian/ubuntu as far as I know. There is an RPM package in the Centos testing repository that should work for Centos 4.x or the k12ltsp EL versions. Otherwise installing it manually from http://backuppc.sourceforge.net isn't all that hard. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Mon May 8 20:08:32 2006 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:08:32 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Office XP on k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <200605031816.k43IGmLq026349@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605031816.k43IGmLq026349@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200605081608.33218.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Wednesday 03 May 2006 13:37, Mark Sarria wrote: > I would like some suggestion on how to run Office XP on the k12ltsp server. > I know it comes with Openoffice pre-installed, but I am trying to introduce > Linux to my school and one of the requirements is that it should be able to > run windows applications. I am setting up a lab of 30 thin clients, with > three different servers which have been loaned to me for testing purpose. > I guess it doesn't count for running Office XP on linux but an alternative is to run office on a windows terminal server and use the linux 'rdesktop' windows terminal client. -- Thanks, John Hansknecht Director of Technology University of Detroit Jesuit High School & Academy phone: 313-927-2321 email: john.hansknecht at uofdjesuit.org From cwt137 at yahoo.com Mon May 8 20:23:09 2006 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] jta and j2sdk In-Reply-To: <35c1344c0605051704w44177ac6x6e6c04b2c89da486@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060508202309.82827.qmail@web37209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, If you would like to install Sun's jdk, then don't use their rpm. It migth conflict with gcj. Follow the instructions here, http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/JPackage_Java_for_FC4 to install sun's jdk. As far as I know, you don't have to install jta to get tomcat5 to work. Chris ----- Original Message ---- From: Fabio Milano To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Friday, May 5, 2006 5:04:53 PM Subject: [K12OSN] jta and j2sdk Hi anybody have experience installing jta and j2sdk trying to setup Tomcat 5 thanks _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From vceder at canterburyschool.org Mon May 8 20:41:21 2006 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 16:41:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Smart boards In-Reply-To: <1147090434.11721.18.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1147090434.11721.18.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <445FACF1.2060601@canterburyschool.org> The RHEL version of the official SmartTech software also installs on Ubuntu Breezy and Dapper, whereas the generic version does not (due to a hard coded dependency on an old library). The generic version did install on Ubuntu Hoary, as I recall. I would be very interested (to the point of paying actual $$) in a FOSS driver that makes the SmartBoard appear as a tablet or touch pad to X11. Anyone have any ideas on that? I've tried to get their Windows SDK out of SmartTech for several months now, but they don't answer emails on the subject. Vern Barry Cisna wrote: > Hi John, > > In regards to your Smart Board question, I tried two years ago to get > the Smart Board software to work on Linux/K12LTSP, & to make a long > story short it never did work:(. I even done a default install of an old > Linux Mandrake version that the Smart Technology software was suppose to > support. Again, long story short, it did not work either. Lots of hours > spent trying and re-trying, still no joy. I even tried running the > Windows version via Wine, and got close but no go.The problem seems to > be with all of the tray icon stuff for SB software is what is the killer > from what i can gather. > If you are running K12LTSP v4.1.1 the RHEL version of the linux software > at Smart Technolgy's site will install. Don't know why that is? The > version specified for just plain old linux will not uncompress due to it > is an Java compressed bin file and dies while trying to decompress it. I > tried soft linking ,unlinking, relinking,,,yada yada. > If you have any success please post it here. > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From petre at maltzen.net Mon May 8 20:45:47 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:45:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server sizing... again In-Reply-To: <774593a20605080205v3cd95fd3i8232332e10a6b336@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060507160025.3DC9B73314@hormel.redhat.com> <1147065021.28309.37.camel@server.ltsp> <774593a20605080205v3cd95fd3i8232332e10a6b336@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <445FADFB.4000305@maltzen.net> Sudev Barar wrote: > On 08/05/06, William Fragakis wrote: >> The server will be in a K-5 environment and used to do a lot of graphics >> intensive applications such as Flash-based web sites, TuxMath, etc. The >> users won't be concurrent. But the performance has to be "snappy". If >> this goes well, big things may come afterwards. So, we want to get it >> right the first time. >> >> Can we go 60 or 80 clients without problems? >> >> Would going to two dual core CPUS help significantly? (Adds about $1000 >> to the cost) > > KISS: Dual core dual Xeon CPU MoBo wih as much RAM and fastest SCSI's Raid5 > > That said recently we have tried setting up two servers with dhcpd > load balancing on the same network. Things have been pretty good for > last three days in office environment. Users have started feeling the > difference and no longer chorus of system is soooo slow today is being > heard. Head for LTSP wiki for details. > > If the skunk works needs to be positive I would rather go with this > approach and add number of servers based on thumb rule of one server > per 10~20 people supported by a fast scsi raid5 server for NFS mounts > for /home directory. Would further add a subnet of 1000mbps network > for servers to talk to each other. > Builds in a bit of redundancy also allowing for one server to be taken > off for wahetever once in a while without users howling. > You might also look into using application servers, where you dedicate a server to, say, OpenOffice.org. With this approach, dedicating each app to its own server, the City of Largo, FL was supporting 240 users on a pair of 900mhz terminal servers five years ago. No apps ran on the terminal servers, just the desktop. That way, if you have a hoggish application, you can focus your dollars/hardware on that app, and either way it doesn't affect the performance of the other apps. Petre From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Mon May 8 20:11:40 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:11:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Amanda Backup In-Reply-To: <1147118388.31135.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200605082116.k48LG2jN005340@mx1.redhat.com> I am running Fedora Core 4. I will attempt to install using the version supplied on the website. Mark Sarria Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 -----Original Message----- From: Les Mikesell [mailto:les at futuresource.com] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:00 PM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Amanda Backup On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 12:34, Mark Sarria wrote: > I am trying to install BackUpPC using the apt-get install command. I am > getting errors > > Failed to Fetch Mirror file List: > > Any suggestions? What OS distribution are you using? It is only packaged for apt-get on debian/ubuntu as far as I know. There is an RPM package in the Centos testing repository that should work for Centos 4.x or the k12ltsp EL versions. Otherwise installing it manually from http://backuppc.sourceforge.net isn't all that hard. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Mon May 8 23:48:20 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:48:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.31 released Message-ID: No new features. But significant speed increase in collecting user data. http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ Note: Monitor and Control feature does not work with k12ltsp 5.0 Fl_TeacherTool needs the vnc X extension module built inside the LBE. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From lighthumor at hotmail.com Mon May 8 23:25:42 2006 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 19:25:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] installing from FTP server - recommended? Message-ID: Is is a good idea to install directly from the public FTP server? Downloading the ISO for six whole CD's doesnt seem exactly necessary for a standard LTSP installation... Will I be able to use the downloaded RPM's for another install, in other words, do they get downloaded and saved in some re-usable way and place? From robert.pogson at gmail.com Tue May 9 01:43:38 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:43:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Dansguardian HowTo Message-ID: <1147139018.26851.60.camel@beast> Barry R Cisna wrote: ... "DG will start doing its thing, providing you have the correct DG proxy number entered on your K12LTSP server for the clients to filter through. It would be something like port 8080 in your webbrowser. " ... I did it the hard way with config files. My recollection is that the key point was access control. You do not want students to change proxy settings in the browser to get around the filter. You can set your firewall to only accept port 80 requests from the user for squid. You can set access control for squid to only accept port 3128 requests from dansguardian. Then only port 8080 to dansguardian can get out. You can firewall to allow a privileged user like yourself to buypass dansguardian to permit .iso downloads and the like. You can also do this with port forwarding at the firewall but it made my head spin. It should be possible to configure a default user for settings like proxy and have everything done for users added afterward. In the lab, it is no problem to give instructions and have users set their browser, but you need automation for other users in the building. GNOME has such configuration tools but you must be consistent in creating users through GNOME to have it all work. I like to use the command line so I can create a file of user data and run a script over it. There is a mechanism in useradd to clone a home directory. -- A problem is an opportunity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Barry Cisna From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue May 9 01:20:40 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:20:40 -0700 Subject: [SPAM] [K12OSN] installing from FTP server - recommended? Message-ID: <20060508182040.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.3b9ef5df17.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I believe that just a standard LTSP server install only requires the first 3 CD's. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [SPAM] [K12OSN] installing from FTP server - recommended? > From: "light being" > Date: Mon, May 08, 2006 6:25 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Is is a good idea to install directly from the public FTP server? > > Downloading the ISO for six whole CD's doesnt seem exactly necessary for a > standard LTSP installation... > > Will I be able to use the downloaded RPM's for another install, in other > words, do they get downloaded and saved in some re-usable way and place? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Tue May 9 04:44:48 2006 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:44:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly Off Topic (Hardware Question) Message-ID: <002701c67323$4ec28ba0$6500a8c0@liamhp> I am using K12LTSP for a thin client environment. 30+ workstations, being upgraded during summer into almost 60 workstations, but they aren't my question My server has an ASUS PC-DL Deluxe (Intel Dual Xeon 3.06) I had 4-512Mb DDR sticks (speed 3200) for a total of 2 Gb RAM. Was experiencing slow performance when all workstations start StarOffice and other cases like logging out or into workstations. So I ordered 4 1 Gb DDR sticks (also 3200s) for a total of 4 Gb which is the max the board can take according to specs. Only two sticks came in on Thursday last week so being the impatient type I grabbed them and installed them and left 2 of the 512MB sticks in for a total of 3 Gb. Bios reported 3 Gb and System Monitor as well as TOP reported 3 Gb. All good so far and I did notice an increase in performance, (no need to sequentially start StarOffice, or stagger logout) I thought great, now when the other 2 Gb arrives things will get even better. Well they came in today and I installed at the end of the school day. Powered up, not looking in bios. Got into the OS went to TOP and System Monitor and saw it only reporting 3.5 Gb RAM? Couldn't figure it out. Swapped memory, tested through bios, individually, each 1 Gb stick reported 1 Gb available minus 640K base memory. Any 2 sticks paired showed 2 Gb minus 640K base memory. Put in 3 sticks and it reports 3 Gb minus 640K base memory. Put the 4th stick in and lost almost 525 Mb worth of the total as being available. Doesn't matter what order the sticks go in, or what bank they are in. They work fine until all 4 1Gb sticks are in place. Went into bios and tried to tweak a little, setting DRAM speed, disabling video cache, etc. Managed to get about 128 to 200 Mb clawed back and available. That is probably all cache disabling and reserved AGP aperture shrinking( from default 128 down to 4) I also flashed the bios to the latest I could find (pcdl1009.bin) No appreciable difference Anyone have any ideas? I am at a loss. 3.6ish Gb is better than 2, but I paid for 4. Any ideas on how I can get it all, or most? 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You can stream it from http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060501 if you aren't set up for podcasts. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Tue May 9 05:41:34 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:41:34 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] TFTP problem, same problem again In-Reply-To: <1147140848.11624.9.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> References: <1147140848.11624.9.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <20060509084134.3i9toc8wie1w84wc@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Hi Barry and others! This is what I get with the tail command: May 9 08:36:57 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:16:35:7d:83:db via eth0 May 9 08:36:58 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.248 to 00:16:35:7d:83:db via eth0 May 9 08:36:59 server dhcpd: Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases file. May 9 08:36:59 server dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file. May 9 08:36:59 server dhcpd: Wrote 8 leases to leases file. May 9 08:36:59 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.248 (192.168.0.254) from 00:16:35:7d:83:db via eth0 May 9 08:36:59 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.248 to 00:16:35:7d:83:db via eth0 May 9 08:36:59 server in.tftpd[21976]: no user nobody: Permission denied May 9 08:37:01 server in.tftpd[21977]: no user nobody: Permission denied May 9 08:37:05 server in.tftpd[21978]: no user nobody: Permission denied May 9 08:37:11 server in.tftpd[21979]: no user nobody: Permission denied May 9 08:37:19 server in.tftpd[21981]: no user nobody: Permission denied Lainaus Barry R Cisna : > Hello Mikko, > > While trying to boot the client machine, at the server open a terminal & > type in the following: > > tail -f /var/log/messages > > post back here what kind of message is were the client is exactly > stopping at. > Also have you tried booting up another client machine? In other words > have you tried more than one client machine to boot up from this server? > Also adding the users via Webmin should not prevent the actual client > machines to boot up. It could have possibly messed up the actual login > of users, but not booting the client machines to a login prompt. > Did you do a default install from the K12LTSP CD ISO's? > Hope this helps a little. > > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue May 9 05:49:12 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 00:49:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TFTP problem, same problem again In-Reply-To: <20060509084134.3i9toc8wie1w84wc@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> References: <1147140848.11624.9.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> <20060509084134.3i9toc8wie1w84wc@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: <1147153751.15012.64.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 00:41, Mikko Jordman wrote: > May 9 08:37:19 server in.tftpd[21981]: no user nobody: Permission denied Most installations have an /etc/passwd file entry like: nobody:x:99:99:Nobody:/:/sbin/nologin Among other things, that is the default user id used by the tftpd program when it runs. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Tue May 9 06:17:08 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:17:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly Off Topic (Hardware Question) In-Reply-To: <002701c67323$4ec28ba0$6500a8c0@liamhp> References: <002701c67323$4ec28ba0$6500a8c0@liamhp> Message-ID: On 5/8/06, Liam Marshall wrote: > Anyone have any ideas? > > > > I am at a loss. 3.6ish Gb is better than 2, but I paid for 4. Any ideas on > how I can get it all, or most? What am I missing? Your machine is fine. The limit for a 32 bit kernel is ~3.6G. Try running a 32 bit hugemem kernel or an smp kernel that supports over 4G (32 bit RHEL4 smp kernels do) and you will see all your ram. But there will be a small penalty for addressing over 32 address space. That's what 64 bit kernels are for. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From trond at maehlum.net Tue May 9 07:03:01 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:03:01 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.31 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44603EA5.2030200@maehlum.net> Robert Arkiletian skrev: > No new features. But significant speed increase in collecting user data. Excellent! > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > Note: Monitor and Control feature does not work with k12ltsp 5.0 > Fl_TeacherTool needs the vnc X extension module built inside the LBE. Once again, I am unable to to use 5.0 because of this. I will however upgrade to fl_TT on our present servers running LTSP4.1. I can not say this too often... The "control-function" is a _must have_ for us. Good job Robert! Regards Trond Maehlum > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From surendra at zustek.com Tue May 9 10:58:39 2006 From: surendra at zustek.com (Surendra) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:28:39 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Reg ... Memory calculation Message-ID: <200605091147.k49BlYqC019050@mx1.redhat.com> Hi Team, I want calculate the total used memory by the process wise. Can you please let me know how to calculate? Thanks, Surendra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brr at brr.no Tue May 9 11:48:39 2006 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:48:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> Hello! My test of K12LSP-5.0.0-BETA 6 gave me following problems: - NFS not auto started. Had to start the service manually. - Java in Firefox does not work. Everything seems ok in "about:plugins", but no web page with Java is showed. - Default language set to Norwegian, but Firefox shows up with English language. - Tried to define Norwegian keyboard at the client computer. Thrown out to the login picture. Not possible to log in again with that user. - I miss Arial and Times New Roman as default choice in OpenOffice.org Writer. Firefox gives me the following error with first start up: "Firefox could not install this item because "install.rdf" (provided by the item) is not well-formed or does not exist. Please contact the author about this problem." Bjorn Roger Rasmussen Norway *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) From veewee77 at alltel.net Tue May 9 11:55:31 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 06:55:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] installing from FTP server - recommended? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44608333.2080405@alltel.net> Actually, you *could* do the install that way, but it would likely take you longer than just downloading the CDs and installing that way. While it does have some "cool factor", I wouldn't try it. . . Doug light being wrote: > Is is a good idea to install directly from the public FTP server? > > Downloading the ISO for six whole CD's doesnt seem exactly necessary > for a standard LTSP installation... > > Will I be able to use the downloaded RPM's for another install, in > other words, do they get downloaded and saved in some re-usable way > and place? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 9 12:59:53 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:59:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] installing from FTP server - recommended? In-Reply-To: <44608333.2080405@alltel.net> References: <44608333.2080405@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060509125546.M84807@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 09 May 2006 06:55:31 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote > Actually, you *could* do the install that way, but it would likely > take you longer than just downloading the CDs and installing that way. > > While it does have some "cool factor", I wouldn't try it. . . > > Doug > > light being wrote: > > > Is is a good idea to install directly from the public FTP server? > > > > Downloading the ISO for six whole CD's doesnt seem exactly necessary > > for a standard LTSP installation... > > > > Will I be able to use the downloaded RPM's for another install, in > > other words, do they get downloaded and saved in some re-usable way > > and place? I think your best bet would be to download the ISO's to a local linux box. You can then share the directory containing the ISO's to the network via NFS. Then burn disc1 only. Now you can boot up with disc1 and at the prompt instead of simply hitting enter you can enter "linux askmethod". This will bring you to a menu where you can choose NFS install and then type in the IP of your NFS server. Then everything will install from the NFS share without prompting for CDs. Then in the future when there is an update you simply rename your old iso's to whatever the new ones are called, and rsync. This will save you the pile of burned CD versions, give you the quickest unattended install, and save you time in the future downloading when new versions are released. Hope that helps -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Tue May 9 13:23:01 2006 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:23:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly Off Topic (Hardware Question) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c6736b$b28603e0$7600a8c0@liamhp> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:17 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Slightly Off Topic (Hardware Question) On 5/8/06, Liam Marshall wrote: > Anyone have any ideas? > > > > I am at a loss. 3.6ish Gb is better than 2, but I paid for 4. Any ideas on > how I can get it all, or most? What am I missing? Your machine is fine. The limit for a 32 bit kernel is ~3.6G. Try running a 32 bit hugemem kernel or an smp kernel that supports over 4G (32 bit RHEL4 smp kernels do) and you will see all your ram. But there will be a small penalty for addressing over 32 address space. That's what 64 bit kernels are for. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 If that is true, is that a linux kernel issue? I put the memory into an old dumpy Windows Millenium machine and it recognized 4032Mb RAM. That has to be bios/motherboard related, although I would have thought the asus server board I am using would be better than the one in the Millenium machine. The ASUS board can't report close to 4 Gb even in the bios, before it ever gets to the kernel From petre at maltzen.net Tue May 9 14:03:58 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:03:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly Off Topic (Hardware Question) In-Reply-To: <000001c6736b$b28603e0$7600a8c0@liamhp> References: <000001c6736b$b28603e0$7600a8c0@liamhp> Message-ID: <4460A14E.8070106@maltzen.net> Liam Marshall wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Robert Arkiletian > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:17 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Slightly Off Topic (Hardware Question) > > On 5/8/06, Liam Marshall wrote: >> Anyone have any ideas? >> >> >> >> I am at a loss. 3.6ish Gb is better than 2, but I paid for 4. Any ideas > on >> how I can get it all, or most? What am I missing? > > Your machine is fine. The limit for a 32 bit kernel is ~3.6G. Try > running a 32 bit hugemem kernel or an smp kernel that supports over 4G > (32 bit RHEL4 smp kernels do) and you will see all your ram. But there > will be a small penalty for addressing over 32 address space. That's > what 64 bit kernels are for. > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > If that is true, is that a linux kernel issue? I put the memory into an old > dumpy Windows Millenium machine and it recognized 4032Mb RAM. That has to > be bios/motherboard related, although I would have thought the asus server > board I am using would be better than the one in the Millenium machine. The > ASUS board can't report close to 4 Gb even in the bios, before it ever gets > to the kernel > FWIW, I've got some Compaq ProLiant servers with 4GB of RAM in them and free reports the total RAM as 3921896, which seems a bit more than 3.6GB. Running RHAS 3, with SMP but not bigmem kernel. Or is this one of those '3.6GB is not 3.6 x 1000 but 3.6 x 1024' situations? Petre From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue May 9 15:24:40 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:24:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Join us at NELS this year! You too deserve professional development! Message-ID: Standard;Hello all! I hope this finds you healthy and enjoying the spring weather as the school years winds down and businesses and organizations begin preparing for the summer months. Summer is often a time of rejuvenation...not only in mind and body, but for technology as well! While the users are on vacation (either the long school vacation or shorter vacations taken by organization or company employees) the IT folks (who never seem to get a vacation :-) ) take the opportunity to refresh the infrastructure and upgrade their skills. That's why I'm writing today. All too often many folks think of the technology director, coordinator, teacher, IT guy/gal....etc...as the ?go to? person when things go wrong or whatever. They are also expected to stand guard as if something will go wrong during school closing, grading, upgrades, etc. Unfortunately, this is a ?reactive? way of thinking rather than a ?proactive? way of thinking. This thinking also makes it difficult for IT folks to upgrade their own skills by attending professional development workshops and conferences. I have been very fortunate in changing this way of thinking in my own school department. I have had lots of opportunities to attend conferences and so forth over the past few years. The administrators and staff have learned that the more I know, the more stable and effective things become with regard to IT in our school. I have done everything I can to ensure that things will remain up and running while I am away, but nothing is ever foolproof. With that in mind, the staff and administration has accepted that if something happens....they'll survive....just as they did before computers were the norm. Getting folks to accept this makes things a lot easier on everyone and allows your IT staff to grow and innovate to make things even better. I can honestly say that for the past two years...nothing significant has happened while I've been away. Why? Because through all I've learned, I've been able to make the system stable and manageable (and redundant) to ensure it stays up and running without my input. So where is this all going? Once again we are offering an excellent opportunity for IT teachers, directors, coordinators, technicians...etc. to gather and learn more about some fantastic ways to better deliver services to your users. The Northeast Linux Symposium in now in it's fourth year! Now the name is a little misleading as it's not just about Linux, but about Free and Open Source software and ideas for nearly all platforms. Mixed networks are pretty much the norm in todays schools and in many companies as well. Many of the sessions we offer show you how to tie it all together with things like single sign-on, common data storage, web based technologies, and much more! Classroom teachers can learn all about some really great programs and techniques that will help them in the classroom without affecting their already slim budget. Remember...you too....need the opportunity for quality professional development! This year we're offering two great opportunities for learning and professional growth. NELS at Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine on June 17th - 20th and NELS at the University of New Hampshire in Durham, New Hampshire on July 16th ? 19th. Each has a unique focus and each will offer you a great opportunity to learn in a hands-on environment among friends and colleagues. Please visit the NELS web site at [ http://www.nelinux.net/ ]http://www.nelinux.net for more information about sessions and how to register! Register soon as housing will be filling up and the first NELS conference is only about a month away! Remember...we make it easy...food, housing, and conference are all included! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Tue May 9 15:36:11 2006 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:36:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly Off Topic (Hardware Question) In-Reply-To: <4460A14E.8070106@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <002d01c6737e$4c81b400$7600a8c0@liamhp> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:04 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Slightly Off Topic (Hardware Question) Liam Marshall wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Robert Arkiletian > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:17 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Slightly Off Topic (Hardware Question) > > On 5/8/06, Liam Marshall wrote: >> Anyone have any ideas? >> >> >> >> I am at a loss. 3.6ish Gb is better than 2, but I paid for 4. Any ideas > on >> how I can get it all, or most? What am I missing? > > Your machine is fine. The limit for a 32 bit kernel is ~3.6G. Try > running a 32 bit hugemem kernel or an smp kernel that supports over 4G > (32 bit RHEL4 smp kernels do) and you will see all your ram. But there > will be a small penalty for addressing over 32 address space. That's > what 64 bit kernels are for. > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > If that is true, is that a linux kernel issue? I put the memory into an old > dumpy Windows Millenium machine and it recognized 4032Mb RAM. That has to > be bios/motherboard related, although I would have thought the asus server > board I am using would be better than the one in the Millenium machine. The > ASUS board can't report close to 4 Gb even in the bios, before it ever gets > to the kernel > FWIW, I've got some Compaq ProLiant servers with 4GB of RAM in them and free reports the total RAM as 3921896, which seems a bit more than 3.6GB. Running RHAS 3, with SMP but not bigmem kernel. Or is this one of those '3.6GB is not 3.6 x 1000 but 3.6 x 1024' situations? Petre I did the math this way. My bios reports in k so 1024x1024 will give 1 Gb value expressed as K, then I multiply by the number of 1 gb sticks I put in to arrive at the theoretical total value of memory in machine expressed in K, then I minus the 640K base memory to arrive at the theoretical available memory. My bios reports plus or minus a few measly k of my calculated value if I have any 1, 2, or 3 of the 1 Gb sticks in at a time, in any order but the moment I put all 4 in at the same time, the bios reports a loss of approximately 537600 K from what I calculate it to be According to my calculations I should see 1024x1024x4= 4194304K total memory minus 640K base memory equals 4193664 Instead the bios reports 3656064 From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue May 9 15:45:27 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:45:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> Message-ID: <4460B917.9080900@saskforestcentre.ca> I have also had the same java error, and the install.rdf error, on Beta 5. I was trying to do a yum update this morning, and it fails, unable to find fuse-libs: ================================ ---> Downloading header for fuse-libs to pack into transaction set. http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/RPMS/updates/fuse-libs-2.5.3-1.fc5.i386.rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:34:03 GMT Server: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) Content-Length: 358 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Trying other mirror. Error: failure: RPMS/updates/fuse-libs-2.5.3-1.fc5.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. ============================= I checked with firefox, and the files really aren't there. I started excluding things, if only to make a list, and to get an update, I had to exclude several files: yum --exclude=fuse-libs --exclude=fuse --exclude=pygame --exclude=yumex update Cheers, Angus Carr. Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > Hello! > > My test of K12LSP-5.0.0-BETA 6 gave me following problems: > > - NFS not auto started. Had to start the service manually. > - Java in Firefox does not work. Everything seems ok in > "about:plugins", but no web page with Java is showed. > - Default language set to Norwegian, but Firefox shows up with English > language. > - Tried to define Norwegian keyboard at the client computer. Thrown > out to the login picture. Not possible to log in again with that user. > - I miss Arial and Times New Roman as default choice in OpenOffice.org > Writer. > > Firefox gives me the following error with first start up: > > "Firefox could not install this item because "install.rdf" (provided > by the item) is not well-formed or does not exist. Please contact the > author about this problem." > > Bjorn Roger Rasmussen > Norway From robark at gmail.com Tue May 9 16:57:31 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:57:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool 0.31 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/8/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > No new features. But significant speed increase in collecting user data. > > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > Note: Monitor and Control feature does not work with k12ltsp 5.0 > Fl_TeacherTool needs the vnc X extension module built inside the LBE. Ahhh!! I just found a gremlin bug that only sometimes rears it's ugly head. Killed it. But now I have to release 0.32. To be released later today. Please hold off on 0.31. The bug had to do with not checking for an established connection with netstat. So I was sometimes getting a duplicate entry when the state of the socket was something other than established. Fixed by modifying this line netstat -t -e -n | grep :6000 | sed -e 's/:/ /g' | awk '{print $9,$6}' | sort | uniq to netstat -t -e -n | grep :6000 | grep -w ESTABLISHED | sed -e 's/:/ /g' | awk '{print $9,$6}' | sort | uniq -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 9 17:04:21 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:04:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> Message-ID: <4460CB95.1020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > Hello! Thanks for the bug reports! > My test of K12LSP-5.0.0-BETA 6 gave me following problems: > > - NFS not auto started. Had to start the service manually. Strange one, I have not seen this. Will see if I can reproduce it. > - Java in Firefox does not work. Everything seems ok in "about:plugins", > but no web page with Java is showed. Confirmed. No immediately obvious solution, I'll keep banging on it. > - Default language set to Norwegian, but Firefox shows up with English > language. This is a general FC5 bug. I'll see if I can reproduce it, but you might want to open up a bug report yourself: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla > - Tried to define Norwegian keyboard at the client computer. Thrown out > to the login picture. Not possible to log in again with that user. I'm not sure how to reproduce this one, since I don't have a Norwegian keyboard handy ;-) Just to make sure I understand correct, you set the keyboard layout to Norwegian in lts.conf and experienced the problem logging in from a terminal? I see that there are several Norwegian locals, which one are you using? Can the locked-out user login on the console? > - I miss Arial and Times New Roman as default choice in OpenOffice.org > Writer. Upstream FC5 issue as well. Want to open a bug report? http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla > Firefox gives me the following error with first start up: > > "Firefox could not install this item because "install.rdf" (provided by > the item) is not well-formed or does not exist. Please contact the > author about this problem." This is also an upstream bug in the latest FC5 firefox package (looks like it is caused by a bad plugin). It only occurs the first time a new user starts firefox, you won't see this if you have previously ran an earlier firefox package. I'll check in a bit to see if this has been filed in bugzilla, it not I'll open a new ticket. -Eric From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue May 9 17:11:35 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:11:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to kill rogue imap-login processes? In-Reply-To: <1147087326.11721.9.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1147087326.11721.9.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <8347B8A2-C61C-4E0F-81E3-70341ECCAB4E@mindfirestudios.com> I know that outlook/outlook express behave badly in this regard, opening a bunch of imap connections and never closing them. There might be a config variable for fixing this in the imap server too. I just don't remember what it is. On May 8, 2006, at 6:22 AM, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Was wondering if anyone might have any ideas on how to kill rogue, > dovecot imap-login processes on a server? This is not a big deal > but I > found that our email server by running top has not been restarted > in 35 > days, & it does seem just a tad sluggish,as compared to the way it > usually runs. By running the system monitor/processes GUI it shows > almost 300 imap-login processes at about 4.5 MB of memory each. I > guess > I've probably just never noticed this before. I'm sure the problem > will > be if someone IS actually logged into the server via Squirrelmail, and > running a script to kill these processes I will catch all kinds of > ---- > with people saying " the email server kicked me off":(.If I look at > cpu > and memory on this server cpu usage is only 5% and memory has only > used > about half available. > Possible cron job of some sort ? Don't know how to go about it. > Using K12LTSP v 4.1.1 > > TIA > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 9 17:13:58 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:13:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 In-Reply-To: <4460B917.9080900@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> <4460B917.9080900@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <4460CDD6.8020207@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Angus Carr wrote: > I have also had the same java error, and the install.rdf error, on Beta 5. > > I was trying to do a yum update this morning, and it fails, unable to > find fuse-libs: > ================================ > ---> Downloading header for fuse-libs to pack into transaction set. > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/RPMS/updates/fuse-libs-2.5.3-1.fc5.i386.rpm: > [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:34:03 GMT > Server: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) > Content-Length: 358 > Connection: close > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: RPMS/updates/fuse-libs-2.5.3-1.fc5.i386.rpm from > k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > ============================= > I checked with firefox, and the files really aren't there. I started > excluding things, if only to make a list, and to get an update, I had to > exclude several files: > > yum --exclude=fuse-libs --exclude=fuse --exclude=pygame --exclude=yumex > update > With the beta builds, packages tend to get moved around a lot. This is good from a development viewpoint since it helps keep organized, but it is bad from a caching perspective. Caches can go stale quickly. With the beta builds in particular, if you run into a yum error the first thing you should do is clear our your cache: yum clean all and then try again. -Eric From robark at gmail.com Tue May 9 17:22:12 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:22:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Thin client article Message-ID: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1958716,00.asp Surpised they don't even mention LTSP. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From brr at brr.no Tue May 9 17:31:48 2006 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 19:31:48 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 In-Reply-To: <4460CB95.1020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> <4460CB95.1020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509192026.026eedf8@brr.no> > > - Tried to define Norwegian keyboard at the client computer. Thrown out > > to the login picture. Not possible to log in again with that user. > >I'm not sure how to reproduce this one, since I don't have a Norwegian >keyboard handy ;-) > >Just to make sure I understand correct, you set the keyboard layout to >Norwegian in lts.conf and experienced the problem logging in from a >terminal? I tried to boot a thin client computer without doing any configuration in lts.conf. I booted the thin client and logged in with a normal user (not root). Tried to set Norwegian keyboard in "personal settings" (don't remember the menu choice exactly and don't have any Linux machine at the moment). I don't think it has anything to do with especially Norwegian. It seems to lock the computer whatever choice I did in the "keyboard chooser program". I did not try to do a console login. But I think that should work ok. A litte moment before you see the desktop after login the computer loops and you again see the login screen. If I delete the user and add the same user again in user management everythin is ok. I find the bugzilla thing to FC a little difficult to use. So I hope someone with more experience regarding the use of the bugzilla system publish FC specific problems. And Norwegian is my language. My English "stinks". Bjorn Roger Rasmussen, Norway *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) From accessys at smart.net Tue May 9 17:58:29 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Thin client article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1958716,00.asp > > Surpised they don't even mention LTSP. why surprised, we didn't pay them or send them freebies, it almost looks like M$ wrote the ad copy Bob > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO response will ever be given to anyone using earthlink.net +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 9 18:00:14 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:00:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509192026.026eedf8@brr.no> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> <4460CB95.1020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <7.0.1.0.2.20060509192026.026eedf8@brr.no> Message-ID: <4460D8AE.40101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > >> > - Tried to define Norwegian keyboard at the client computer. Thrown out >> > to the login picture. Not possible to log in again with that user. >> >> I'm not sure how to reproduce this one, since I don't have a Norwegian >> keyboard handy ;-) >> >> Just to make sure I understand correct, you set the keyboard layout to >> Norwegian in lts.conf and experienced the problem logging in from a >> terminal? > > I tried to boot a thin client computer without doing any configuration > in lts.conf. I booted the thin client and logged in with a normal user > (not root). Tried to set Norwegian keyboard in "personal settings" > (don't remember the menu choice exactly and don't have any Linux machine > at the moment). I don't think it has anything to do with especially > Norwegian. It seems to lock the computer whatever choice I did in the > "keyboard chooser program". > > I did not try to do a console login. But I think that should work ok. A > litte moment before you see the desktop after login the computer loops > and you again see the login screen. If I delete the user and add the > same user again in user management everythin is ok. Thanks for the clarification, I can now reproduce this bug. I'm working on it right now and will file a bug report. > I find the bugzilla thing to FC a little difficult to use. So I hope > someone with more experience regarding the use of the bugzilla system > publish FC specific problems. > > And Norwegian is my language. My English "stinks". Your English is much better than my Norwegian ;-) -Eric From thepiano at telenet.be Tue May 9 18:03:22 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 20:03:22 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 In-Reply-To: <4460D8AE.40101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> <4460CB95.1020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <7.0.1.0.2.20060509192026.026eedf8@brr.no> <4460D8AE.40101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: I did installed the 5.0 build last afternoon, reproducing all bugs listed today. but one more: Booting my clients gives me a fatal X server error: FATAL: module agppart missing All clinets are P1 compaqs SFF, booting perfectly allright in 4.4.1, on LTSP 4.1 AND 4.2 any idea ? Kevin From thepiano at telenet.be Tue May 9 18:10:57 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 20:10:57 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, fuse and ldap Message-ID: Hello, yesterday I tried to setup LTSP 4.2 on one of my production servers, but I was running into trouble using local disk access. Only the root user could manage to setup his shares. All other users failed. I'm using SMBLDAP as backend server with home dirs mounted over nfs. I'm getting access denied errors, even after setting permissions on the fuse script files to 777 ANy idea? Kevin From jam at mcquil.com Tue May 9 18:25:52 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, fuse and ldap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45567.217.194.73.226.1147199152.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Tue, May 9, 2006 2:10 pm, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello, > > yesterday I tried to setup LTSP 4.2 on one of my production servers, > but I was running into trouble using local disk access. > Only the root user could manage to setup his shares. All other users > failed. > > I'm using SMBLDAP as backend server with home dirs mounted over nfs. > > I'm getting access denied errors, even after setting permissions on > the fuse script files to 777 "Access Denied" doesn't mean the scripts don't have the right permissions. The script is running. It's the mounted directory that is probably giving you trouble. Have you added the user to the 'fuse' group, like it says in the instructions, and the troubleshooting guide? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > ANy idea? > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thepiano at telenet.be Tue May 9 18:34:13 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 20:34:13 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, fuse and ldap In-Reply-To: <45567.217.194.73.226.1147199152.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <45567.217.194.73.226.1147199152.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <88215C30-63A5-4AA7-A95C-41B2A4198ECE@telenet.be> Any help how to add ldap users to the local fuse group? Op 9-mei-06, om 20:25 heeft Jim McQuillan het volgende geschreven: > On Tue, May 9, 2006 2:10 pm, Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> Hello, >> >> yesterday I tried to setup LTSP 4.2 on one of my production servers, >> but I was running into trouble using local disk access. >> Only the root user could manage to setup his shares. All other users >> failed. >> >> I'm using SMBLDAP as backend server with home dirs mounted over nfs. >> >> I'm getting access denied errors, even after setting permissions on >> the fuse script files to 777 > > "Access Denied" doesn't mean the scripts don't have the right > permissions. > The script is running. It's the mounted directory that is probably > giving you trouble. > > Have you added the user to the 'fuse' group, like it says in the > instructions, and the troubleshooting guide? > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > >> >> ANy idea? >> >> Kevin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From henryhartley at westat.com Tue May 9 19:08:33 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:08:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO file number 6 of Beta 5 Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D91C@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Friday, May 05, 2006 12:50 PM light being wrote: >> >> >From: Les Mikesell >> > > The ISO file no 6 (K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta 5 32bit ) is to large >> > > (710MB vs 702MB) to burn on 700mb standard CDR!!! >> > > Any suggestions? >> > >> >Download all the iso images to a directory that you have >> >exported via NFS. Burn only the first disk. Enter >> >linux askmethod >> >at the boot prompt and pick nfs as the method. As long >> >as it's not your first Linux box this way is much faster >> >and easier since you don't have to wait around and swap >> >CDs during the install. >> >> I burned the first CD, and put all the ISO images on a FAT >> partition, or on a separate hard drive. Then used the 'linux >> askmethod' option and gave it a partition /dev/hda2 or >> whatever. It's much faster indeed. That's all well and good but I actually need the CDs to install it on a stand alone, non-networked machine. I mean, I suppose I could put everything on a drive, open up the machine and mount it but that seems a bit silly since that's sort of what CDs are for. Any REAL answers to this problem, rather than work-arounds? I'd prefer seven CDs to six where the last one doesn't work. -- Henry From thepiano at telenet.be Tue May 9 19:12:41 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:12:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO file number 6 of Beta 5 In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D91C@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D91C@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <288A13D0-C5CB-4E25-AE25-C150866C1870@telenet.be> you could dl beta 6 which has no too big disks Kevin Op 9-mei-06, om 21:08 heeft Henry Hartley het volgende geschreven: > On Friday, May 05, 2006 12:50 PM light being wrote: >>> >>>> From: Les Mikesell >>>>> The ISO file no 6 (K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta 5 32bit ) is to large >>>>> (710MB vs 702MB) to burn on 700mb standard CDR!!! >>>>> Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> Download all the iso images to a directory that you have >>>> exported via NFS. Burn only the first disk. Enter >>>> linux askmethod >>>> at the boot prompt and pick nfs as the method. As long >>>> as it's not your first Linux box this way is much faster >>>> and easier since you don't have to wait around and swap >>>> CDs during the install. >>> >>> I burned the first CD, and put all the ISO images on a FAT >>> partition, or on a separate hard drive. Then used the 'linux >>> askmethod' option and gave it a partition /dev/hda2 or >>> whatever. It's much faster indeed. > > That's all well and good but I actually need the CDs to install it > on a > stand alone, non-networked machine. I mean, I suppose I could put > everything on a drive, open up the machine and mount it but that > seems a > bit silly since that's sort of what CDs are for. Any REAL answers to > this problem, rather than work-arounds? I'd prefer seven CDs to six > where the last one doesn't work. > > -- > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Tue May 9 18:36:40 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, fuse and ldap In-Reply-To: <88215C30-63A5-4AA7-A95C-41B2A4198ECE@telenet.be> References: <45567.217.194.73.226.1147199152.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <88215C30-63A5-4AA7-A95C-41B2A4198ECE@telenet.be> Message-ID: <39017.217.194.73.226.1147199800.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Tue, May 9, 2006 2:34 pm, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Any help how to add ldap users to the local fuse group? sorry, i'm not as well versed in ldap things as many other people on this list are. Hopefully someone else will step forward with the magic bullet for that one. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > > Op 9-mei-06, om 20:25 heeft Jim McQuillan het volgende geschreven: > >> On Tue, May 9, 2006 2:10 pm, Kevin Verheyen wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> yesterday I tried to setup LTSP 4.2 on one of my production servers, >>> but I was running into trouble using local disk access. >>> Only the root user could manage to setup his shares. All other users >>> failed. >>> >>> I'm using SMBLDAP as backend server with home dirs mounted over nfs. >>> >>> I'm getting access denied errors, even after setting permissions on >>> the fuse script files to 777 >> >> "Access Denied" doesn't mean the scripts don't have the right >> permissions. >> The script is running. It's the mounted directory that is probably >> giving you trouble. >> >> Have you added the user to the 'fuse' group, like it says in the >> instructions, and the troubleshooting guide? >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >>> >>> ANy idea? >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From henryhartley at westat.com Tue May 9 19:31:32 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:31:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO file number 6 of Beta 5 Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D91D@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:13 PM Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> >> you could dl beta 6 which has no too big disks >> Yeah, that works. Thanks. -- Henry From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 9 19:54:21 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 12:54:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] X server crash, was: K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 In-Reply-To: <4460D8AE.40101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> <4460CB95.1020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <7.0.1.0.2.20060509192026.026eedf8@brr.no> <4460D8AE.40101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4460F36D.2060706@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: >>>> - Tried to define Norwegian keyboard at the client computer. Thrown out >>>> to the login picture. Not possible to log in again with that user. >>> I'm not sure how to reproduce this one, since I don't have a Norwegian >>> keyboard handy ;-) >>> >>> Just to make sure I understand correct, you set the keyboard layout to >>> Norwegian in lts.conf and experienced the problem logging in from a >>> terminal? >> I tried to boot a thin client computer without doing any configuration >> in lts.conf. I booted the thin client and logged in with a normal user >> (not root). Tried to set Norwegian keyboard in "personal settings" >> (don't remember the menu choice exactly and don't have any Linux machine >> at the moment). I don't think it has anything to do with especially >> Norwegian. It seems to lock the computer whatever choice I did in the >> "keyboard chooser program". >> >> I did not try to do a console login. But I think that should work ok. A >> litte moment before you see the desktop after login the computer loops >> and you again see the login screen. If I delete the user and add the >> same user again in user management everythin is ok. > > Thanks for the clarification, I can now reproduce this bug. I'm working > on it right now and will file a bug report. Hey Jim, This appears to be a problem with the LTSP X server. Whatever /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon does whacks the display (signal 11). I've verified that it crashes the X server on LTSP 4.2, LTSP 4.1, and Ubuntu 5.10 (X11 6.8.2 started with X -query 192.168.0.254). No problems logging into the console, Xnest, from another FC5 box (X -query 192.168.0.254), or vncviewer. Any ideas on how to debug this? Appended is a the output of strace on gnome-settings-daemon, if that is useful. -Eric > [pid 5468] <... waitpid resumed> [{WIFEXITED(s) && WEXITSTATUS(s) == 0}], 0) = 5473 > [pid 5468] --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) --- > [pid 5468] waitpid(-1, [{WIFEXITED(s) && WEXITSTATUS(s) == 0}], WNOHANG) = 5472 > [pid 5468] write(17, "", 0) = 0 > [pid 5468] write(17, "\21\0\0\0`\25\0\0\0\0\0\0", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] sigreturn() = ? (mask now []) > [pid 5468] open("/tmp/file1tzYU2", O_RDONLY) = 18 > [pid 5468] fstat64(18, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=11912, ...}) = 0 > [pid 5468] mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7f57000 > [pid 5468] read(18, "\17mkx\26\10\377\7\177\0\0\0\6\0\1\0d\0D\0\4\0\1\0\270"..., 4096) = 4096 > [pid 5468] _llseek(18, 0, [0], SEEK_SET) = 0 > [pid 5468] read(18, "\17mkx\26\10\377\7\177\0\0\0\6\0\1\0d\0D\0\4\0\1\0\270"..., 4096) = 4096 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\7\0\0\0NumLock\0", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0)\2\0\0\0\0p\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\3\0\0\0AltL", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0*\2\0\0\0\0q\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\n\0\0\0LevelThree\0\0", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0+\2\0\0\0\0r\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\n\0\0\0ScrollLock\0\0", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0,\2\0\0\0\0w\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\t\0\0\0LevelFivek\0\0", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0-\2\0\0\0\0]\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\5\0\0\0AltGrFiv", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0.\2\0\0\0\0s\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0Meta", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0/\2\0\0\0\0t\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\5\0\0\0SuperFiv", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0000\2\0\0\0\0u\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\5\0\0\0HyperFiv", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0001\2\0\0\0\0v\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] _llseek(18, 4096, [4096], SEEK_SET) = 0 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\10\0\27\0\0\0xfree86+aliases(qwerty)\0", 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c700, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0002\2\0\0\0\0x\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] _llseek(18, 4096, [4096], SEEK_SET) = 0 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\10\0\0\0complete", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0003\2\0\0\0\0y\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\t\0\0\0ONE_LEVELlia", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0004\2\0\0\0\0z\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\3\0\0\0Any_", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0005\2\0\0\0\0{\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\t\0\0\0TWO_LEVELlia", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0006\2\0\0\0\0|\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0Base", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0007\2\0\0\0\0}\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\5\0\0\0ShiftEVE", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0008\2\0\0\0\0~\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\n\0\0\0ALPHABETICia", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0009\2\0\0\0\0\177\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0Caps", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0:\2\0\0\0\0\200\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\6\0\0\0KEYPADET", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0;\2\0\0\0\0\201\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\6\0\0\0NumberET", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0<\2\0\0\0\0\202\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\t\0\0\0SHIFT+ALTCia", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0=\2\0\0\0\0\203\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\t\0\0\0Shift+AltCia", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0>\2\0\0\0\0\204\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\10\0\0\0PC_BREAK", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0?\2\0\0\0\0\205\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\7\0\0\0ControlK", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0@\2\0\0\0\0\206\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\10\0\0\0PC_SYSRQ", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0A\2\0\0\0\0\207\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\6\0\0\0Level3RQ", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0B\2\0\0\0\0\213\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\10\0\0\0CTRL+ALT", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0C\2\0\0\0\0\210\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\10\0\0\0Ctrl+Alt", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0D\2\0\0\0\0\211\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\v\0\0\0THREE_LEVELa", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0E\2\0\0\0\0\212\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\5\0\0\0Shift_LE", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0F\2\0\0\0\0~\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\v\0\0\0EIGHT_LEVELa", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0G\2\0\0\0\0^\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\10\0\0\0Alt Base", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0H\2\0\0\0\0\215\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\t\0\0\0Shift AltELa", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0I\2\0\0\0\0\216\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\1\0\0\0Xhif", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0J\2\0\0\0\0_\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\7\0\0\0X Shiftl", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0K\2\0\0\0\0`\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\n\0\0\0X Alt BaseLa", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0L\2\0\0\0\0a\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\v\0\0\0X Shift Alta", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0M\2\0\0\0\0b\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\10\0\26\0\0\0EIGHT_LEVEL_ALPHABETIC)\0", 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0N\2\0\0\0\0c\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\n\0\0\0X Alt BaseL_", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0O\2\0\0\0\0a\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\t\0\32\0\0\0EIGHT_LEVEL_SEMIALPHABET"..., 36) = 36 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0P\2\0\0\0\0d\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\n\0\0\0FOUR_LEVELL_", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0Q\2\0\0\0\0\214\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\10\0\25\0\0\0FOUR_LEVEL_ALPHABETICBET", 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0R\2\0\0\0\0\217\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\t\0\0\0Shift AltL_A", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0S\2\0\0\0\0\216\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\t\0\31\0\0\0FOUR_LEVEL_SEMIALPHABETI"..., 36) = 36 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0T\2\0\0\0\0\220\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\7\0\21\0\0\0FOUR_LEVEL_KEYPADPHA", 28) = 28 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0U\2\0\0\0\0\221\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\n\0\0\0Alt Number_K", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0V\2\0\0\0\0\222\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\v\0\"\0\0\0SEPARATE_CAPS_AND_SHIFT_"..., 44) = 44 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0W\2\0\0\0\0\223\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\n\0\0\0AltGr BaseAP", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0X\2\0\0\0\0\224\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\v\0\0\0Shift AltGrP", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6d0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0Y\2\0\0\0\0\225\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] _llseek(18, 4096, [4096], SEEK_SET) = 0 > [pid 5468] read(18, "\377\1\377\1\7\0\377\377\377\377\0\0\332\377\0\0\377\1"..., 4096) = 4096 > [pid 5468] _llseek(18, 8192, [8192], SEEK_SET) = 0 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\v\0$\0\0\0pc(pc105)+us+no:2+group("..., 44) = 44 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6a0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0Z\2\0\0\0\0e\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\6\0\0\0Norway05", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6a0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0[\2\0\0\0\0f\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335G\10"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\1\10\0\25\0\0\0FOUR_LEVEL_ALPHABETICup(", 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6a0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0\\\2\0\0\0\0\217\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] read(18, "RL+ALT\0\0\276\377\0\0\1\376\10\20\2\1\0\1\10\0CTRL+AL"..., 4096) = 3720 > [pid 5468] _llseek(18, 11912, [11912], SEEK_SET) = 0 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\t\0\0\0Caps LockL_A", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c6f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0]\2\0\0\0\0\230\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] _llseek(18, 11912, [11912], SEEK_SET) = 0 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\t\0\0\0pc(pc105)L_A", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0^\2\0\0\0\0\236\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0NORM", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0_\2\0\0\0\0\237\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0BKSP", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0`\2\0\0\0\0\240\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0TABK", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0a\2\0\0\0\0\241\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0BKSL", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0b\2\0\0\0\0\242\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0RTRN", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0c\2\0\0\0\0\243\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0CAPS", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0d\2\0\0\0\0\244\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0LFSH", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0e\2\0\0\0\0\245\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0RTSH", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0f\2\0\0\0\0\246\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0MODK", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0g\2\0\0\0\0\247\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0SMOD", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0h\2\0\0\0\0\250\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0SPCE", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0i\2\0\0\0\0\251\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\3\0\0\0KP0E", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0j\2\0\0\0\0\252\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0KPAD", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0k\2\0\0\0\0\253\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\4\0\0\0LEDS", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0l\2\0\0\0\0\254\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\3\0\3\0\0\0LEDS", 12) = 12 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0m\2\0\0\0\0\255\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\10\0\0\0Function", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0n\2\0\0\0\0\256\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\5\0\0\0Alphaion", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0o\2\0\0\0\0\257\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\7\0\0\0Editingn", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0p\2\0\0\0\0\260\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\6\0\0\0Keypadgn", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c1f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0q\2\0\0\0\0\261\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\4\0\10\0\0\0LedPanel", 16) = 16 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c130, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0r\2\0\0\0\0\262\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\t\0\0\0Caps LockL_A", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c130, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0s\2\0\0\0\0\230\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\5\0\f\0\0\0NumLockLabel", 20) = 20 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c130, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0t\2\0\0\0\0\263\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\6\0\r\0\0\0CapsLockLabelPHA", 24) = 24 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c130, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0u\2\0\0\0\0\264\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\20\0\6\0\17\0\0\0ScrollLockLabelA", 24) = 24 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c130, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "\1\0v\2\0\0\0\0\265\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\335"..., 32) = 32 > [pid 5468] close(18) = 0 > [pid 5468] munmap(0xb7f57000, 4096) = 0 > [pid 5468] unlink("/tmp/file1tzYU2") = 0 > [pid 5468] unlink("/tmp/fileSJFcdL") = 0 > [pid 5468] write(3, "\222\t\317\4\0\1\377\0\3\0\10\377\0\21\10\370\342\1\10"..., 11172) = 11172 > [pid 5468] read(3, 0xbfd5c900, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) > [pid 5468] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 > [pid 5468] read(3, "", 32) = 0 > [pid 5468] write(2, "The application \'gnome-settings-"..., 171The application 'gnome-settings-daemon' lost its connection to the display ws253.ltsp:0.0; > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > the application. > ) = 171 From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 9 20:05:57 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:05:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, fuse and ldap In-Reply-To: <88215C30-63A5-4AA7-A95C-41B2A4198ECE@telenet.be> References: <45567.217.194.73.226.1147199152.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <88215C30-63A5-4AA7-A95C-41B2A4198ECE@telenet.be> Message-ID: <4460F625.3080702@mesd.k12.or.us> Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Any help how to add ldap users to the local fuse group? Hmm, so usermod can't add non-local users to groups. I just "vigr" and add them to the group by hand. Works fine. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From thepiano at telenet.be Tue May 9 20:17:24 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:17:24 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, fuse and ldap In-Reply-To: <4460F625.3080702@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45567.217.194.73.226.1147199152.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <88215C30-63A5-4AA7-A95C-41B2A4198ECE@telenet.be> <4460F625.3080702@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <28658CE0-72CC-4E2F-AABD-B743E6BD23A3@telenet.be> Explain to me :-) please Op 9-mei-06, om 22:05 heeft Dan Young het volgende geschreven: > Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> Any help how to add ldap users to the local fuse group? > > Hmm, so usermod can't add non-local users to groups. I just "vigr" and > add them to the group by hand. Works fine. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue May 9 19:13:34 2006 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:13:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Creating Network Attached Storage Message-ID: <4460E9DE.2000608@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, Recently a colleague asked me if I knew of any turn-key,open-source NAS systems out there. The first thing I thought of was a cheap, white-box PC with a handful of drives, a network card and Damn Small Linux configured for Samba, NFS, FTP, etc. I thought, however, that I would appeal to the collective wisdom of the list to see if anyone knows of (or has the know-how to create) a simple, graphical NAS solution. Any thoughts? -- C-ya, Mark ____ Better to understand a little than to misunderstand a lot. From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Tue May 9 20:28:18 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Creating Network Attached Storage In-Reply-To: <4460E9DE.2000608@honeygroveisd.net> References: <4460E9DE.2000608@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <47092.70.56.21.59.1147206498.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > Recently a colleague asked me if I knew of any turn-key,open-source > NAS systems out there. The first thing I thought of was a cheap, > white-box PC with a handful of drives, a network card and Damn Small > Linux configured for Samba, NFS, FTP, etc. I thought, however, that I > would appeal to the collective wisdom of the list to see if anyone knows > of (or has the know-how to create) a simple, graphical NAS solution. > Any thoughts? This forum thread collects a number of options: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/458996.html If they only need NAS functionality and maybe a dhcp server, the Infrant ReadyNAS products are quite good, though a little costly. May be worth it if they are in fact looking for something turn-key. The biggest selling points they have for me are rsync support and the ability to "grow" raid arrays without destroying data. Pretty compelling stuff. -- -Regards- Quentin Hartman Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon V (541)767-3778 F (541)767-3041 www.slane.k12.or.us From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 9 20:31:13 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:31:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, fuse and ldap In-Reply-To: <28658CE0-72CC-4E2F-AABD-B743E6BD23A3@telenet.be> References: <45567.217.194.73.226.1147199152.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <88215C30-63A5-4AA7-A95C-41B2A4198ECE@telenet.be> <4460F625.3080702@mesd.k12.or.us> <28658CE0-72CC-4E2F-AABD-B743E6BD23A3@telenet.be> Message-ID: <4460FC11.5080600@mesd.k12.or.us> Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Op 9-mei-06, om 22:05 heeft Dan Young het volgende geschreven: > >> Kevin Verheyen wrote: >>> Any help how to add ldap users to the local fuse group? >> >> Hmm, so usermod can't add non-local users to groups. I just "vigr" and >> add them to the group by hand. Works fine. > > Explain to me :-) please su - vigr # Locks /etc/group, then uses default editor to edit group file # directly. Change "fuse:x::" to "fuse:x:," # where is your ldap user. It will prompt to edit # /etc/gshadow also. Do the same thing in /etc/gshadow. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 9 20:33:08 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:33:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Creating Network Attached Storage In-Reply-To: <4460E9DE.2000608@honeygroveisd.net> References: <4460E9DE.2000608@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <4460FC84.6030500@mesd.k12.or.us> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > Recently a colleague asked me if I knew of any turn-key,open-source > NAS systems out there. The first thing I thought of was a cheap, > white-box PC with a handful of drives, a network card and Damn Small > Linux configured for Samba, NFS, FTP, etc. I thought, however, that I > would appeal to the collective wisdom of the list to see if anyone knows > of (or has the know-how to create) a simple, graphical NAS solution. http://www.openfiler.com/about/ It's a browser-based NAS OS, built on top of CentOS. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From stegil at hotmail.com Tue May 9 20:37:18 2006 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:37:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Creating Network Attached Storage References: <4460E9DE.2000608@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: NASlite (linux) is pretty stable. No raid or security.Easy to setup. from serverelements.com. FreeNAS (freebsd) is a liitle new , ok for single drives , don't use the raid - it's not stable yet. Yes security. Easy to medium setup. from freenas.com Openfiler (linux) seems pretty stable raid seems stable. Yes security . You need a server for authentication. advanced knowledge for setup. from openfiler.com cheers SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Cockrell" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Creating Network Attached Storage > Hello all, > Recently a colleague asked me if I knew of any turn-key,open-source NAS > systems out there. The first thing I thought of was a cheap, white-box PC > with a handful of drives, a network card and Damn Small Linux configured > for Samba, NFS, FTP, etc. I thought, however, that I would appeal to the > collective wisdom of the list to see if anyone knows of (or has the > know-how to create) a simple, graphical NAS solution. Any thoughts? > > -- > > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > Better to understand a little than to misunderstand a lot. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 9 20:39:23 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:39:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 In-Reply-To: <4460CB95.1020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> <4460CB95.1020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4460FDFB.6080103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: >> Firefox gives me the following error with first start up: >> >> "Firefox could not install this item because "install.rdf" (provided by >> the item) is not well-formed or does not exist. Please contact the >> author about this problem." > > This is also an upstream bug in the latest FC5 firefox package (looks > like it is caused by a bad plugin). It only occurs the first time a new > user starts firefox, you won't see this if you have previously ran an > earlier firefox package. > > I'll check in a bit to see if this has been filed in bugzilla, it not > I'll open a new ticket. > This one has been filed already: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=189278 I will build a new package that excludes the broken language pack. -Eric From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue May 9 20:50:52 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, fuse and ldap In-Reply-To: <28658CE0-72CC-4E2F-AABD-B743E6BD23A3@telenet.be> References: <45567.217.194.73.226.1147199152.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <88215C30-63A5-4AA7-A95C-41B2A4198ECE@telenet.be> <4460F625.3080702@mesd.k12.or.us> <28658CE0-72CC-4E2F-AABD-B743E6BD23A3@telenet.be> Message-ID: <18007.169.244.70.148.1147207852.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Kevin :you want to create an ldif that looks like this dn: cn=fuse, ou=Group, dc=ehs,dc=ellsworthschools,dc=org gidNumber: 2069 sambaSID: S-1-5-21-3781802711-710701864-1625986258-2069 memberUid: cliebow memberUid: someotherdude sambaGroupType: 2 objectClass: posixGroup objectClass: sambaGroupMapping cn: fuse #where every user has a memberUid: theirname field in it..you can do this in bash by reading some parameters from smb.conf #!/bin/bash #######collect info from smb.conf and set variables############## dn=`grep admin /etc/samba/smb.conf|cut -d " " -f5` suffix=`grep "ldap suffix" /etc/samba/smb.conf|cut -d " " -f4` netbiosname=`grep netbios /etc/samba/smb.conf|cut -d "=" -f2` shortened=`grep workgroup /etc/samba/smb.conf|cut -d "=" -f2` FILENAME=`date '+%m%d%y'` SID=`net getlocalsid | cut -d":" -f2 |cut -c2-` fileserver=puffin pw=`cat /etc/ldap.secret` ########inputs password############## echo "THIS IS THE ADD Group SCRIPT FOR $shortened" echo echo echo echo "here is ldap password-> $pw" echo echo "here is ldap suffix-> $dn" echo echo "here is the suffix-> $suffix" echo echo "here is the date-> $FILENAME" echo echo "here is the workgroup name-> $shortened" echo echo "here is the netbiosname-> $netbiosname" echo echo "Here is your fileserver-> $fileserver" echo echo "Does everything look ok (yes/no)" echo echo "Looking up all Students" rm /tmp/gropu.ldif cat <> /tmp/gropu.ldif dn: cn=fuse, ou=Group, dc=ehs,dc=ellsworthschools,dc=org sambaSID: S-1-5-21-3781802711-710701864-1625986258-2069 gidNumber: 2069 sambaGroupType: 2 objectClass: posixGroup objectClass: sambaGroupMapping cn: fuse EOF # then find all users by ldapsearch for allusers ##########Looks up all students####################################################### echo "collecting up existing student names" ldapsearch -LL -x -h localhost -b "ou=People,$suffix" -D "$dn" -w "$pw" -s sub "(objectClass=sambaSamAccount)" | grep cn: | cut -f2 -d ":"|cut -c2- >/tmp/Students #nOW READ ALL USERS FROM /tmp/students cat /tmp/Students | while read line; do echo "memberUid: $line">>/tmp/gropu.ldif done #finally ldadpadd the whole mess ldapadd -x -c -h localhost -D "$dn" -w "$pw" -f /tmp/gropu.ldif Sorry best i could do in five minutes..chuck From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue May 9 20:49:26 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:49:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Creating Network Attached Storage In-Reply-To: <4460E9DE.2000608@honeygroveisd.net> References: <4460E9DE.2000608@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: DSL would work if you could get NFS on it. For this purpose, though, I would just do a very minimal debian install and add nfs support and export the whole drive as NFS. Could likely be run on an old P or PII (maybe even a 486 if it would support the drives and enough RAM and the load wasn't rediculous). I would do something like this. . . /dev/hda1 /boot 200M /dev/hda2 /swap (twice memory size) /dev/hda3 / 200M (debian for this will fit nicely) /dev/hda4 /nfsmaster rest of the drive space on first drive /dev/hdb1 /nfsmaster/dir1 /dev/hdc1 /nfsmaster/dir2 (keep on for as many drives as you have) then on the main server: make a directory: /nfsmaster and mount //NAS/nfsmaster /nasmaster (appropriate commandline switches) This way, every drive from the NAS will show up under /nasmaster on the main server. No graphical anything needed after that. . . boot it, wait a bit and boot the main server that is mounting the NFS from it. Don't waste the resources to X on a NAS that you may never have to touch unless power fails or something. . . Only thing you may want to install on it is webmin which would allow you to manage it with a graphical web browser from anywhere on your campus (or otherwhere) but doesn't require X on the NAS. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 9 May 2006, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > Recently a colleague asked me if I knew of any turn-key,open-source > NAS systems out there. The first thing I thought of was a cheap, > white-box PC with a handful of drives, a network card and Damn Small > Linux configured for Samba, NFS, FTP, etc. I thought, however, that I > would appeal to the collective wisdom of the list to see if anyone knows > of (or has the know-how to create) a simple, graphical NAS solution. > Any thoughts? > > -- > > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > Better to understand a little than to misunderstand a lot. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thepiano at telenet.be Tue May 9 20:56:37 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:56:37 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, fuse and ldap In-Reply-To: <18007.169.244.70.148.1147207852.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <45567.217.194.73.226.1147199152.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <88215C30-63A5-4AA7-A95C-41B2A4198ECE@telenet.be> <4460F625.3080702@mesd.k12.or.us> <28658CE0-72CC-4E2F-AABD-B743E6BD23A3@telenet.be> <18007.169.244.70.148.1147207852.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: Do i do this before i install fuse? Op 9-mei-06, om 22:50 heeft cliebow at midmaine.com het volgende geschreven: > Kevin > :you want to create an ldif that looks like this > dn: cn=fuse, ou=Group, dc=ehs,dc=ellsworthschools,dc=org > gidNumber: 2069 > sambaSID: S-1-5-21-3781802711-710701864-1625986258-2069 > memberUid: cliebow > memberUid: someotherdude > sambaGroupType: 2 > objectClass: posixGroup > objectClass: sambaGroupMapping > cn: fuse > > #where every user has a memberUid: theirname field in it..you can > do this > in bash by reading some parameters from smb.conf > > #!/bin/bash > > #######collect info from smb.conf and set variables############## > dn=`grep admin /etc/samba/smb.conf|cut -d " " -f5` > suffix=`grep "ldap suffix" /etc/samba/smb.conf|cut -d " " -f4` > netbiosname=`grep netbios /etc/samba/smb.conf|cut -d "=" -f2` > shortened=`grep workgroup /etc/samba/smb.conf|cut -d "=" -f2` > FILENAME=`date '+%m%d%y'` > SID=`net getlocalsid | cut -d":" -f2 |cut -c2-` > fileserver=puffin > pw=`cat /etc/ldap.secret` > ########inputs password############## > echo "THIS IS THE ADD Group SCRIPT FOR $shortened" > echo > echo > echo > echo "here is ldap password-> $pw" > echo > echo "here is ldap suffix-> $dn" > echo > echo "here is the suffix-> $suffix" > echo > echo "here is the date-> $FILENAME" > echo > echo "here is the workgroup name-> $shortened" > echo > echo "here is the netbiosname-> $netbiosname" > echo > echo "Here is your fileserver-> $fileserver" > echo > echo "Does everything look ok (yes/no)" > echo > echo "Looking up all Students" > rm /tmp/gropu.ldif > cat <> /tmp/gropu.ldif > dn: cn=fuse, ou=Group, dc=ehs,dc=ellsworthschools,dc=org > sambaSID: S-1-5-21-3781802711-710701864-1625986258-2069 > gidNumber: 2069 > sambaGroupType: 2 > objectClass: posixGroup > objectClass: sambaGroupMapping > cn: fuse > EOF > # then find all users by ldapsearch for allusers > > ##########Looks up all > students####################################################### > echo "collecting up existing student names" > ldapsearch -LL -x -h localhost -b "ou=People,$suffix" -D "$dn" -w > "$pw" -s > sub "(objectClass=sambaSamAccount)" | grep cn: | cut -f2 -d ":"|cut > -c2- >> /tmp/Students > > #nOW READ ALL USERS FROM /tmp/students > cat /tmp/Students | while read line; do > echo "memberUid: $line">>/tmp/gropu.ldif > done > > #finally ldadpadd the whole mess > ldapadd -x -c -h localhost -D "$dn" -w "$pw" -f /tmp/gropu.ldif > > > Sorry best i could do in five minutes..chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue May 9 22:52:00 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2, fuse and ldap In-Reply-To: References: <45567.217.194.73.226.1147199152.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <88215C30-63A5-4AA7-A95C-41B2A4198ECE@telenet.be> <4460F625.3080702@mesd.k12.or.us> <28658CE0-72CC-4E2F-AABD-B743E6BD23A3@telenet.be> <18007.169.244.70.148.1147207852.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <57823.70.33.151.214.1147215120.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> not nexessary to..can be an afterthought..usually is with me 8~) > Do i do this before i install fuse? srick in an exithere and ther and work throughit a bit at a time..O donr kjknow for sure how your database is set up..chcuck From robark at gmail.com Tue May 9 23:05:37 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:05:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool 0.31 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/9/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Ahhh!! I just found a gremlin bug that only sometimes rears it's ugly > head. Killed it. But now I have to release 0.32. To be released later > today. Please hold off on 0.31. released version 0.32 -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 10 02:28:46 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 19:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool 0.31 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 5/9/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >> Ahhh!! I just found a gremlin bug that only sometimes rears it's ugly >> head. Killed it. But now I have to release 0.32. To be released later >> today. Please hold off on 0.31. > > released version 0.32 Packages are available at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ I'll add them to the repositories tomorrow after I've had a chance to verify that they actually work ;-) -Eric From sbarar at gmail.com Wed May 10 02:22:55 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:52:55 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Sun Ray as thin client? Message-ID: <774593a20605091922u4d32eec4ud89ee786de168374@mail.gmail.com> A quick question: Any one used Sun Ray thin clients on LTSP? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From victor at hiplik.com.hk Wed May 10 03:31:40 2006 From: victor at hiplik.com.hk (Victor) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:31:40 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 In-Reply-To: <4460FDFB.6080103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> <4460CB95.1020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4460FDFB.6080103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1147231900.2504.15.camel@VictorNoteLinux> I also encounter the same problem as mentioned in email below. The Java does not start. Another problem is about the Adobe Reader. When I click a web link to open a pdf file, the Adobe Reader will make Firefox crash and close Firefox. I checked with "about:plugins" and everything is there. Although I upgrade Firefox to the latest version 1.5.0.2-1.2.fc5.k12ltsp.5.0.0b, the problems are still not solved. As a new version (1.5.0.3) of Firefox is released, I download firefox-1.5.0.3.tar.gz and decompress the file. I rename the original Firefox directory in /usr/lib from firefox-1.5.0.2 to firefox-1.5.0.2-Backup and then put the decompress new version of Firefox to /usr/lib with the folder name "firefox-1.5.0.2". It seems that the new version 1.5.0.3 solves both Java and Adobe Reader problems. Victor ? ??2006-05-09 ? 13:39 -0700?Eric Harrison ??? > Eric Harrison wrote: > > Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > > >> Firefox gives me the following error with first start up: > >> > >> "Firefox could not install this item because "install.rdf" (provided by > >> the item) is not well-formed or does not exist. Please contact the > >> author about this problem." > > > > This is also an upstream bug in the latest FC5 firefox package (looks > > like it is caused by a bad plugin). It only occurs the first time a new > > user starts firefox, you won't see this if you have previously ran an > > earlier firefox package. > > > > I'll check in a bit to see if this has been filed in bugzilla, it not > > I'll open a new ticket. > > > > This one has been filed already: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=189278 > > > > I will build a new package that excludes the broken language pack. > > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As if you don't have enough testing to do. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 10 05:03:21 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 In-Reply-To: <1147231900.2504.15.camel@VictorNoteLinux> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> <4460CB95.1020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4460FDFB.6080103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1147231900.2504.15.camel@VictorNoteLinux> Message-ID: Thanks for the help Victor! I did a bunch of testing and found that Java & Acrobat work just fine on all versions of Firefox I tested except the K12LTSP-specific packages. I will rebuild the K12LTSP packages tomorrow to see if I can figure out exactly what is going wrong with the build process... (reason #2,454,239 why I try to avoid customizing packages ;-) -Eric On Wed, 10 May 2006, Victor wrote: > I also encounter the same problem as mentioned in email below. The Java > does not start. Another problem is about the Adobe Reader. When I > click a web link to open a pdf file, the Adobe Reader will make Firefox > crash and close Firefox. I checked with "about:plugins" and everything > is there. Although I upgrade Firefox to the latest version > 1.5.0.2-1.2.fc5.k12ltsp.5.0.0b, the problems are still not solved. > > As a new version (1.5.0.3) of Firefox is released, I download > firefox-1.5.0.3.tar.gz and decompress the file. I rename the original > Firefox directory in /usr/lib from firefox-1.5.0.2 to > firefox-1.5.0.2-Backup and then put the decompress new version of > Firefox to /usr/lib with the folder name "firefox-1.5.0.2". > > It seems that the new version 1.5.0.3 solves both Java and Adobe Reader > problems. > > Victor > > ??? ??????2006-05-09 ??? 13:39 -0700???Eric Harrison ????????? > >> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> Bj??rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: >> >>>> Firefox gives me the following error with first start up: >>>> >>>> "Firefox could not install this item because "install.rdf" (provided by >>>> the item) is not well-formed or does not exist. Please contact the >>>> author about this problem." >>> >>> This is also an upstream bug in the latest FC5 firefox package (looks >>> like it is caused by a bad plugin). It only occurs the first time a new >>> user starts firefox, you won't see this if you have previously ran an >>> earlier firefox package. >>> >>> I'll check in a bit to see if this has been filed in bugzilla, it not >>> I'll open a new ticket. >>> >> >> This one has been filed already: >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=189278 >> >> >> >> I will build a new package that excludes the broken language pack. >> >> >> -Eric >> -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brr at brr.no Wed May 10 12:21:26 2006 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:21:26 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Todays test of K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6-32bit Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060510141448.025499f0@brr.no> Hello! Startet my K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 computer today and run yum update whick upgraded the Firefox installation. The result of the upgrade: - Norwegian menus etc. ok in Firefox. - No problems with showing PDF, but Evience PDF Viewer shows the files and not Acrobat Reader. - Still problems with Java (Java installed, but web pages with Java / Java scripts does not work). - Right mouse botton together with Flash pages crashes Firefox. Bjorn Roger Rasmussen Norway *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) From atmlogic at kmts.ca Wed May 10 13:33:42 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:33:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Creating Network Attached Storage In-Reply-To: <4460E9DE.2000608@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <016801c67436$5b4f56a0$f800a8c0@ATMLogic.local> NASLite is fantastic, used it for a few years now works as Samba Share or FTP. Lots of Free / Simple NAS products on the market now, depends mostly on how much, and what type of storage you want. NASLite runs off a floppy, USB, or if you have to, CD. Because of the floppy, you can start a system, and have a full 4 hard drives free. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Cockrell Sent: May 9, 2006 2:14 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Creating Network Attached Storage Hello all, Recently a colleague asked me if I knew of any turn-key,open-source NAS systems out there. The first thing I thought of was a cheap, white-box PC with a handful of drives, a network card and Damn Small Linux configured for Samba, NFS, FTP, etc. I thought, however, that I would appeal to the collective wisdom of the list to see if anyone knows of (or has the know-how to create) a simple, graphical NAS solution. Any thoughts? -- C-ya, Mark ____ Better to understand a little than to misunderstand a lot. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed May 10 14:23:56 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:23:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Creating Network Attached Storage In-Reply-To: <016801c67436$5b4f56a0$f800a8c0@ATMLogic.local> References: <016801c67436$5b4f56a0$f800a8c0@ATMLogic.local> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 at 9:33 AM +0000 wrote: >NASLite is fantastic, used it for a few years now works as Samba Share or >FTP. > >Lots of Free / Simple NAS products on the market now, depends mostly on >how >much, and what type of storage you want. NASLite runs off a floppy, USB, >or >if you have to, CD. Because of the floppy, you can start a system, and >have >a full 4 hard drives free. > > >Andrew FreeNAS is also pretty cool and has more features such as user accounts...etc. I use NASLIte at home....very cool David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed May 10 14:23:56 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:23:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Creating Network Attached Storage In-Reply-To: <016801c67436$5b4f56a0$f800a8c0@ATMLogic.local> References: <016801c67436$5b4f56a0$f800a8c0@ATMLogic.local> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 at 9:33 AM +0000 wrote: >NASLite is fantastic, used it for a few years now works as Samba Share or >FTP. > >Lots of Free / Simple NAS products on the market now, depends mostly on >how >much, and what type of storage you want. NASLite runs off a floppy, USB, >or >if you have to, CD. Because of the floppy, you can start a system, and >have >a full 4 hard drives free. > > >Andrew FreeNAS is also pretty cool and has more features such as user accounts...etc. I use NASLIte at home....very cool David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Wed May 10 15:09:33 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:09:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Creating Network Attached Storage In-Reply-To: References: <016801c67436$5b4f56a0$f800a8c0@ATMLogic.local> Message-ID: <1147273773.7203.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 09:23, David Trask wrote: > >NASLite is fantastic, used it for a few years now works as Samba Share or > >FTP. > > > >Lots of Free / Simple NAS products on the market now, depends mostly on > >how > >much, and what type of storage you want. NASLite runs off a floppy, USB, > >or > >if you have to, CD. Because of the floppy, you can start a system, and > >have > >a full 4 hard drives free. > > > FreeNAS is also pretty cool and has more features such as user > accounts...etc. I use NASLIte at home....very cool And openfiler is probably the opposite end of the feature spectrum with growable LVM's, snapshots, iscsi, etc. but all manged with a web interface. It requires an external LDAP server or domain controller for authentication but might make the perfect system for central home directories if you already have that. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 10 16:26:42 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:26:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Switching to the Firefox Customization Kit Message-ID: <44621442.60202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> The Firefox Customization Kit was recently released: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/cck/firefox/ I just tested it out and it will do all of the modifications that are currently done in the K12LTSP firefox package. This is a much better way to modify firefox. I'm studying the beagle package right now (which includes a pre-packaged Firefox extention). Once I finish learning all of the prerequisite magic, I'll put out a test package. -Eric From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Wed May 10 16:43:04 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:43:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article Message-ID: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OR_BALLMER_OREGON_OROL-?SITE=OREUG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT This is the Register Guard feed from an Oregonlive.com story. Oregonlive.com requires registration. The link above does not. """ Microsoft CEO downplays Linux-Oregon connection PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- Microsoft Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer is less than impressed with a rival computer software developer based in Oregon. The state is a hub for the Linux open source software - the chief rival to Microsoft Windows. """ Looks like Eric is on the front lines. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed May 10 17:01:19 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:01:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 In-Reply-To: <4460CDD6.8020207@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> <4460B917.9080900@saskforestcentre.ca> <4460CDD6.8020207@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44621C5F.60904@saskforestcentre.ca> Eric Harrison wrote: > Angus Carr wrote: > >> I have also had the same java error, and the install.rdf error, on Beta 5. >> >> I was trying to do a yum update this morning, and it fails, unable to >> find fuse-libs: >> ================================ >> ---> Downloading header for fuse-libs to pack into transaction set. >> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/RPMS/updates/fuse-libs-2.5.3-1.fc5.i386.rpm: >> [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:34:03 GMT >> Server: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) >> Content-Length: 358 >> Connection: close >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >> Trying other mirror. >> Error: failure: RPMS/updates/fuse-libs-2.5.3-1.fc5.i386.rpm from >> k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. >> ============================= >> I checked with firefox, and the files really aren't there. I started >> excluding things, if only to make a list, and to get an update, I had to >> exclude several files: >> >> yum --exclude=fuse-libs --exclude=fuse --exclude=pygame --exclude=yumex >> update >> >> > > > With the beta builds, packages tend to get moved around a lot. This is > good from a development viewpoint since it helps keep organized, but it > is bad from a caching perspective. Caches can go stale quickly. > > With the beta builds in particular, if you run into a yum error the > first thing you should do is clear our your cache: > > yum clean all > > and then try again. > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > Wow. I think I've read "yum clean all" here before... You'd think I'd learn, eh? Cheers, Angus Carr. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 10 17:44:53 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:44:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060510174256.M92262@winonacotter.org> > Microsoft CEO downplays Linux-Oregon connection Kind of funny. If MS didn't see open source as a threat, first they wouldn't be talking about and second, they wouldn't feel a need to slam it :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed May 10 19:22:26 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:22:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Squid/Dansguardian but who did it? Message-ID: <200605101952.k4AJqila002266@mx3.redhat.com> All, We have Squid and Dansguardian on an Ubuntu box at one of our schools. However, if we have an incident how can we tell who the user was? We can see the IP addresses, but it's not logging the users that are logged on and surfing the web. Is there a utility or tool I can use for this? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 10 19:53:45 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:53:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <20060510174256.M92262@winonacotter.org> References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> <20060510174256.M92262@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <446244C9.1080207@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> Microsoft CEO downplays Linux-Oregon connection > > Kind of funny. If MS didn't see open source as a threat, first they wouldn't > be talking about and second, they wouldn't feel a need to slam it :-) > http://www.faqs.org/docs/jargon/G/GandhiCon.html -Eric From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed May 10 20:00:39 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:00:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <20060510174256.M92262@winonacotter.org> References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> <20060510174256.M92262@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: What is the news story associated with this? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 10 May 2006, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Microsoft CEO downplays Linux-Oregon connection > > Kind of funny. If MS didn't see open source as a threat, first they wouldn't > be talking about and second, they wouldn't feel a need to slam it :-) > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 10 20:01:05 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:01:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Squid/Dansguardian but who did it? In-Reply-To: <200605101952.k4AJqila002266@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605101952.k4AJqila002266@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44624681.1080800@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > We have Squid and Dansguardian on an Ubuntu box at one of our schools. > However, if we have an incident how can we tell who the user was? We can see > the IP addresses, but it's not logging the users that are logged on and > surfing the web. Is there a utility or tool I can use for this? Any guidance > would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > 1) if you require logging into to the desktop (say to a Samba server), you can compare timestamps/IPs to find the guilty party 2) require authentication to the proxy server 3) I know some use ident, have not done this myself -Eric From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed May 10 20:02:03 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:02:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Squid/Dansguardian but who did it? In-Reply-To: <200605101952.k4AJqila002266@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605101952.k4AJqila002266@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <446246BB.7090709@rogueriver.k12.or.us> You'll have to figure out which machine it was, and then look at the audit logs (you have those turned on, right?) on that machine. Or just use the thumbscrews ;-) Mike Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > We have Squid and Dansguardian on an Ubuntu box at one of our schools. > However, if we have an incident how can we tell who the user was? We can > see the IP addresses, but it's not logging the users that are logged on > and surfing the web. Is there a utility or tool I can use for this? Any > guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed May 10 20:04:06 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:04:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Squid/Dansguardian but who did it? In-Reply-To: <44624681.1080800@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200605101952.k4AJqila002266@mx3.redhat.com> <44624681.1080800@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44624736.9060900@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Our IPCop/SquidGuard box offers AD and LDAP authentication, but given the fact that people would be logging in as BUILDINGNAME-Student, it'd be pointless, other than to annoy staff by forcing them to login to the internet after logging into their computers. I reiterate my thumbscrews recommendation (figuratively speaking of course). Mike Eric Harrison wrote: > Paul VanGundy wrote: >> All, >> >> We have Squid and Dansguardian on an Ubuntu box at one of our schools. >> However, if we have an incident how can we tell who the user was? We can see >> the IP addresses, but it's not logging the users that are logged on and >> surfing the web. Is there a utility or tool I can use for this? Any guidance >> would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. >> >> -Paul >> > > 1) if you require logging into to the desktop (say to a Samba server), > you can compare timestamps/IPs to find the guilty party > > 2) require authentication to the proxy server > > 3) I know some use ident, have not done this myself > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Wed May 10 20:17:35 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:17:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> <20060510174256.M92262@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <69b790a80605101317o5a927b1ah243f68dcdd44b1b3@mail.gmail.com> On 5/10/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > What is the news story associated with this? > if you follow the link above to ap.org/whatever/... it has the full story I saw. I tried going to oregonlive.com, but the link required registration. I didn't want to bother with it. I think they just want some basic demographics. Like I said, the link above should be in the open. The gist of it is, Ballmer was in Portland to give a local university some $$$. From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed May 10 20:22:16 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:22:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <69b790a80605101317o5a927b1ah243f68dcdd44b1b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> <20060510174256.M92262@winonacotter.org> <69b790a80605101317o5a927b1ah243f68dcdd44b1b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44624B78.8030706@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Roger wrote: > On 5/10/06, Doug Simpson wrote: >> What is the news story associated with this? >> > if you follow the link above to ap.org/whatever/... > it has the full story I saw. I tried going to oregonlive.com, but the > link required registration. I didn't want to bother with it. I think > they just want some basic demographics. Just do what I do - tell them you're a 99-year-old shopkeeper from zipcode 12345 with no high school diploma and that you make over $250,000 a year. If enough people did that, they'd eventually find a different way of annoying people. Mike From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed May 10 20:22:21 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:22:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <69b790a80605101317o5a927b1ah243f68dcdd44b1b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> <20060510174256.M92262@winonacotter.org> <69b790a80605101317o5a927b1ah243f68dcdd44b1b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44624B7D.3030700@alltel.net> I didn't see any link, hence the question. . . Thanks Roger wrote: > On 5/10/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > >> What is the news story associated with this? >> > if you follow the link above to ap.org/whatever/... > it has the full story I saw. I tried going to oregonlive.com, but the > link required registration. I didn't want to bother with it. I think > they just want some basic demographics. Like I said, the link above > should be in the open. The gist of it is, Ballmer was in Portland to > give a local university some $$$. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Wed May 10 20:30:18 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:30:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <44624B7D.3030700@alltel.net> References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> <20060510174256.M92262@winonacotter.org> <69b790a80605101317o5a927b1ah243f68dcdd44b1b3@mail.gmail.com> <44624B7D.3030700@alltel.net> Message-ID: <69b790a80605101330p67233ec9x9633a9a3bfe774a9@mail.gmail.com> On 5/10/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > I didn't see any link, hence the question. . . > > Thanks > http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OR_BALLMER_OREGON_OROL-?SITE=OREUG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT I'm not sure how to create clickable links in gmail. The URL is above. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 10 22:42:33 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:42:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Switching to the Firefox Customization Kit In-Reply-To: <44621442.60202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44621442.60202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44626C59.2080402@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > The Firefox Customization Kit was recently released: > > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/cck/firefox/ > > > I just tested it out and it will do all of the modifications that are > currently done in the K12LTSP firefox package. This is a much better way > to modify firefox. > > I'm studying the beagle package right now (which includes a pre-packaged > Firefox extention). Once I finish learning all of the prerequisite > magic, I'll put out a test package. > > -Eric Okay, I think I got it. Here is a "use at your own risk" test package: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/k12ltsp-firefox-0.1-0.k12ltsp.5.0.0.i386.rpm I have more things I want to do to this, but I might not get to it for a day or two. At the very minimum, the bookmarks need to be updated. I'm also thinking about splitting this into two packages. The logic for taking a firefox extension (xpi) and installing it globally appears to be generic, it should be able to be used with any extension. I'm thinking about making it into a script and packaging it separately so it will be easy for people to load their own global extensions. -Eric From andy at spitcomp.com Wed May 10 22:53:35 2006 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:53:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Squid/Dansguardian but who did it? In-Reply-To: <200605101952.k4AJqila002266@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605101952.k4AJqila002266@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3DCAF948-AF70-4D93-BA5F-D3E7078815EA@spitcomp.com> proxy authentication works for me -- we saw a 60% drop in web traffic after we turned it on at one client site and the number of "problems" dropped from frequent to almost zero, after the first (intentionally) public disclosure logged event problems to drop to zero -- who wants to been seen as dumb enough to type in a user name and password and then still do something they shouldn't ion the web!. If anyone moans about having to type a password, give them a couple of log files and tell them to start looking through them. Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On May 10, 2006, at 3:22 PM, Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > We have Squid and Dansguardian on an Ubuntu box at one of our > schools. However, if we have an incident how can we tell who the > user was? We can see the IP addresses, but it's not logging the > users that are logged on and surfing the web. Is there a utility or > tool I can use for this? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed May 10 22:58:55 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:58:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Squid/Dansguardian but who did it? Message-ID: <1147301936.20596.13.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hi Paul, Up until 3 years ago we did have setup to were, like Mike E, mentioned here, each user had an internet login( besides your domain login). This was all setup through our firewall appliance which was a homebrew Linux from a company close to us,that have several of these firewall/viruswall appliances out in this area to schools. It was setup though ncsa authentication. I finally talked the higher ups into doing away with it. It would definatly show you in the logs( and would email the admin user), who tripped the filter and how many times,etc. Of course if the student knows how to take out the proxy number in Internet Explorer, they are home free anyway:(. If you are using DG in conjunction with Webmin & the DG module for Webmin its farily simple to find the machine name/number then do a "last" command, to be kind of kludgey way if you want to nail an individual. Do a search for ncsa authentication on how to tie in this auth method along with Squid and DG if you want to give this approach a spin. Take Care, Barry Cisna From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu May 11 01:34:32 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:34:32 +0800 Subject: another article - RE: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <446244C9.1080207@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Eric Harrison >Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 03:54 >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: News article > > >Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>> Microsoft CEO downplays Linux-Oregon connection >> >> Kind of funny. If MS didn't see open source as a threat, >first they wouldn't >> be talking about and second, they wouldn't feel a need to slam it :-) >> > >http://www.faqs.org/docs/jargon/G/GandhiCon.html > >-Eric MS are also seeing the writing on the wall, clearly they are preparing for the end of their existing cash-cow: ---article quote and link below-------------- Microsoft Sees Future as Media Network By James Lewin Last week, Microsoft quietly announced that it was planning to evolve from a software company into a media network. People aren't exactly drooling to get the upcoming, delayed version of Windows. Apache recently put another nail in Microsoft's IIS by becoming the leading choice for secured web sites. Firefox looks like it could follow Apache, inexorably eating away at Microsoft's share of the browser market. Companies are deploying Linux servers as alternatives to not just Unix, but Windows. Organizations are even looking at alternatives to Office. Read the full article here: http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a147075a75998253a3 From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu May 11 02:33:18 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:33:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <69b790a80605101330p67233ec9x9633a9a3bfe774a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> <20060510174256.M92262@winonacotter.org> <69b790a80605101317o5a927b1ah243f68dcdd44b1b3@mail.gmail.com> <44624B7D.3030700@alltel.net> <69b790a80605101330p67233ec9x9633a9a3bfe774a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4462A26E.9010604@alltel.net> This is funny! Read on with commentary Story - - - Microsoft CEO downplays Linux-Oregon connection PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- Microsoft Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer is less than impressed with a rival computer software developer based in Oregon. Comment - Why *would* he be impressed? The state is a hub for the Linux open source software - the chief rival to Microsoft Windows. Open source software, developed by a Finnish programmer named Linus Torvalds who now lives just south of Portland, is shared by its developers while Microsoft charges licensing fees for Windows. Ballmer said open source may have a role in the technology world, but it's not leading the way. Comment - If you ran a gas station would you tell everyone that they can get free gas over at another station? "There's no innovation that we've seen come out of - at least Linux," Ballmer said Tuesday. "Linux is a clone of a 30-years-old operating system (called Unix)." Coimment - The *entire linux thing* is innovation! Sure it may be a clone of a 30-year-old OS, but it has had that long to evolve and become robust, stable, and extremely versatile. M$ keeps trying new things every couple of years all with the same result. . . buggy, unstable software. Ballmer was in Oregon to help dedicate Portland State University's new engineering building. Microsoft donated $200,000 toward a $53 million upgrade of PSU's Maseeh College of Engineering and Computer Science, which includes the new $35 million engineering building and a new Microsoft lab in the engineering school. Comment - Hold the phone! M$ donated $200,000 to this project? That is 3/1000ths of 1 percent! Microsoft's involvement in the new facility coincides with growing fervor in Oregon around open source software. Comment - running scared, perhaps? Intel and IBM base their Linux development work in Oregon, and last year Google Inc. donated $350,000 to support open source research at Oregon State and PSU. Comment - Google donated more than M$ and they aren't in the OS business at all! Those developments caught Microsoft's attention, said Pamela Gesme Miller, the engineering school's external relations director, who solicited Microsoft's involvement in the new building. "I think it kind of woke them up and they said, open source is taking over Oregon," Miller said. "Microsoft wants to be a player. They're thinking they've ignored Oregon a little too long." Comment - Ignored? They're right next door, practically! On Tuesday, Ballmer said Microsoft already is heavily involved in Oregon. He pointed to a company-sponsored study that calculated Microsoft technology generates $3 billion in spending annually in the state. Comment - A sizeable portion of that spending is for M$ licensing. . .And the study was sponsored by. . . Although Microsoft employs only about 100 people in Oregon directly, Ballmer said the company has 2,700 business partners in the state, individual contractors and IT companies that employ about 13,000 people developing software and providing technology services using Microsoft products. Comment - It takes that many to keep it working? Open source activity pales in comparison, Ballmer said. Comment - not if you keep in mind that FOSS is a worldwide operation, and yet fixes, patches and updates come out very fast in FOSS but in M$ you have to wait until they "get around to it" unless enough people scream. "We make a much bigger economic impact in Oregon," he said. "Open source doesn't come from a company. It comes from the ether. That's part of its gestalt. Comment - This is also it greatest advantage. It is not profit-based. "But the only physical presence it appears to have anywhere in the world happens to be here in Oregon. So I suspect that contributes to the buzz factor." Comment - Ballmer has been under a rock for the last 15 years. . . JMO - YMMV Roger wrote: > On 5/10/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > >> I didn't see any link, hence the question. . . >> >> Thanks >> > http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OR_BALLMER_OREGON_OROL-?SITE=OREUG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT > > > I'm not sure how to create clickable links in gmail. 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Name: spacer.gif Type: image/gif Size: 49 bytes Desc: not available URL: From m3freak at rogers.com Thu May 11 04:10:02 2006 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:10:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] what is the maximum number of clients per serve] In-Reply-To: <445E2102.2050204@comcast.net> References: <445E2102.2050204@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1147320603.4652.53.camel@krs> On Sun, 2006-07-05 at 12:32 -0400, Daniel Howard wrote: > Folks, next year we're going to move to an enterprise model from our > current model of one server per class, and try to minimize the number of > servers in the school, but shoot for a 2:1 student to PC ratio. A > school like ours with on the order of 700 kids would then have 350 > clients. Assuming server cost is not an issue, and we separate the > boot, authentication/file storage, and application servers, what kind of > monster servers would we need, and how many clients could each serve? > It's an elementary school, so high levels of graphics and animation will > be involved (Flash web sites, Tuxtype, etc.). For word processing, we > can stick with Abiword if OpenOffice causes the answer to change > drastically. Don't put more than about 60 thin clients on a server. It's not a limit of the hardware - you can build a massive server to support many more thin clients. The problem is that the server becomes a single point of failure. If you don't want to knock out hundreds of thin clients in one go, keep the numbers per server below what you feel is a reasonable level. If you do want to put 100 or more thin clients on a server, you would most certainly need to set up a redundant server to take over if the master dies. There are lots of options for high availability, etc., in the Linux/OSS world. Clustering is another option. Considering the applications you want to use, your server will most certainly be loaded. Application servers can help, but in my humble opinion, they defeat the purpose of a thin client environment: you end up having to maintain multiple servers. I'd much rather build a server cluster and run everything from the "same box" instead of splitting apps across different dedicated machines. Anyway, those are my thoughts on this. I've built thin client solutions for school boards, and private companies, so I'm speaking from experience. Well, for the most part, anyway. I haven't built a Linux terminal server cluster yet, though it would be immensely fun! :) HTH, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Linux 2.6.16-1.2108_FC4 i686 GNU/Linux 23:50:45 up 17:20, 3 users, load average: 0.40, 0.55, 0.47 From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu May 11 08:40:33 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:40:33 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <4462A26E.9010604@alltel.net> References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> <69b790a80605101330p67233ec9x9633a9a3bfe774a9@mail.gmail.com> <4462A26E.9010604@alltel.net> Message-ID: <200605110840.34078.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 11 May 2006 02:33, Doug Simpson wrote: > "There's no innovation that we've seen come out of - at least Linux," > Ballmer said Tuesday. "Linux is a clone of a 30-years-old operating > system (called Unix)." I reckon M$ has stifled innovation. When I started working in computing in 1979, I worked on IBM 370s and ICL 2900s, which were common machines. Ten years later, I was working with PCs running Windows and the big irons were all but consigned to history. Another 15 years on and I am still working with PCs running Windoze. I think the PC came out in 1983 and Windows was launched in 1985; ie it's 20 years old. Linux (1992) is really the fresh faced kid on the block. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu May 11 11:54:51 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 06:54:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing heqq Message-ID: <4463260B.1010407@alltel.net> I have several servers running FCx and I have a few questions about printing. First off, where can I find the files it spools to be printed? I looked in /var/spool/cups and find files in there and delete them, but they remain in the print manager and eventually say aborted. Where else are they? Using cups. Another thing that hapens is if a print job gets jammed and/or the printer goes offline for any reason, it jams up the print processes and nothing I do seems to be able to get the printer back to working. The last time this happened it took me two weeks to get it to work again and I can't remember what I did to fix it. Sometimes I have had to completely uninstall the printer and then completely re-install it, but that won't even work this time. Kudzu finds it and configures it but I cannot get it to print. What else can I try or do? This computer here at home isn't the only one this happens to. Thanks! Doug From swift at msad52.org Thu May 11 13:12:15 2006 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:12:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Squid/Dansguardian but who did it? In-Reply-To: <200605101952.k4AJqila002266@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605101952.k4AJqila002266@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: We are authenticating to the firewal with pam-auth to track students if need be. I do not have the time to track ip addresses. It also allows me to "lock out" students who are not allowed on the internet (yes, we have parents that do not want their kids on the internet). Since we have done this there have been no issues with students. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 at 3:22 PM -0500 wrote: >All, > >We have Squid and Dansguardian on an Ubuntu box at one of our schools. >However, if we have an incident how can we tell who the user was? We can >see the IP addresses, but it's not logging the users that are logged on >and surfing the web. Is there a utility or tool I can use for this? Any >guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > >-Paul > >-- >Paul VanGundy >Information Technology Director >Epping High School >Epping Middle School >P: 603.679.5472 >F: 603.679.2966 >[ mailto:vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us ]vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >Registered Linux User #398783 > _______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From les at futuresource.com Thu May 11 13:48:21 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:48:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <200605110840.34078.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> <69b790a80605101330p67233ec9x9633a9a3bfe774a9@mail.gmail.com> <4462A26E.9010604@alltel.net> <200605110840.34078.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <1147355301.26689.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 03:40, Martin Woolley wrote: > On Thursday 11 May 2006 02:33, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > "There's no innovation that we've seen come out of - at least Linux," > > Ballmer said Tuesday. "Linux is a clone of a 30-years-old operating > > system (called Unix)." > > I reckon M$ has stifled innovation. When I started working in computing in > 1979, I worked on IBM 370s and ICL 2900s, which were common machines. Ten > years later, I was working with PCs running Windows and the big irons were > all but consigned to history. Another 15 years on and I am still working > with PCs running Windoze. I think the PC came out in 1983 and Windows was > launched in 1985; ie it's 20 years old. Linux (1992) is really the fresh > faced kid on the block. You are missing a large and painful chunk of history here. The PC's of the 80's ran MSDOS which does next to nothing and what displaced the mainframes was a set of unrelated and innovative applications like visicalc, wordperfect, and dbase. This was all driven by pricing compared to mainframes and the other potential competitor which was unix. The PCs back then did not have enough power to run unix and didn't do too well with windows either until the mid-90's. Networking was mostly Novell netware because it took less client memory than the competing IBM PC-NET which was the original netbios that grew into windows networking. But even before the PC, Radio Shack/Tandy was shipping something that would: http://oldcomputers.net/trs80ii.html and it became at one point the largest installed unix (xenix) base. It was really horrible hardware though and didn't evolve very well. An assortment of other companies had much more expensive unix boxes but price-wise they couldn't compete with PCs. The turning point came when PCs became capable of running either windows or unix. The 386 sort-of worked and the 486 wasn't bad although still not great at X and graphics especially with the amount of memory you could afford then. The problem then was that AT&T owned unix and was selling it for about $1,000 per machine. They didn't quite get the concept of one (or more) machines per user - and it was configured to only work with their own overpriced hardware. Around 1993/4, Dell sold a nice version of SysVr4 Unix that worked with most generic hardware - still in the $1,000 range for the OS, but it made a nice server. Then when Windows95 was released, this version mysteriously went away. If you read any of the transcripts of the vendor testimony from the Microsoft antitrust trial you can probably guess why. Then when windows NT came out at $3-400 per server the fact that it barely worked didn't matter, it was so much cheaper that there wasn't any choice. Linux was around by then, but so buggy that it wasn't a reasonable option. FreeBSD was also around but in the middle of an AT&T lawsuit about their right to distribute it. AT&T later lost but that gave Linux its lead over the *bsd's. So, Linux may appear as the new contender, but it is the applications that count and application development really has been continuous across the versions of unix and linux. Unlike your transition from the mainframe through msdos and various versions of windows, anything you had written in C, shell, or perl in the 80's under unix could be running virtually unchanged today on linux. I've always believed that if there had been a version of commercial unix priced reasonably for personal use (perhaps like OSX today) and it had been allowed to survive Microsoft's anticompetitive activities, application development would have had a gracefully evolving base over the last several decades instead of the disruptive turmoil it has been though. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 11 13:54:42 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:54:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What programming languages are people teaching in K12LTSP environment Message-ID: <44634222.7070208@maltzen.net> At my kids' school, the two computer teachers are trying to get money for upgrading their computer lab for next fall. They've calculated that they need ~$32k to replace 25 machines with 3ghz P4s with 1GB RAM; they also want to replace the CRTs with flat panels to reduce the heat in the room, which is problem. They're being told there isn't that much money available. I suggested that they look at buying/building a beefy LTSP server and use the existing machines as clients. One of their hesitations has to do with programming: they teach a class on Flash, which I expect would be impossible to do on Linux. They also teach Java which would not be a problem on Linux. My question is what programming classes are people giving using their LTSP environments? While I question the value of teaching Flash programming at the high school level, I think an argument can be made for it in the sense that people & businesses do like to use the things it provides. But I think if I can suggest alternatives--and I don't mean just a replacement for Flash, but rather a list of languages that other schools are teaching--it might make a difference. Petre From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Thu May 11 13:55:59 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 06:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Squid/Dansguardian but who did it? In-Reply-To: <200605101952.k4AJqila002266@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060511135559.73148.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul, We use CensorNet to provide our web filtering. It runs an authenticating proxy forcing students to enter their personal username & password before letting them onto the Internet. CensorNet has a nice web-based front-end letting you generate web activity reports by username (among other parameters). It also runs its own firewall (iptables) to prevent students from doing the old change-the-browser's-proxy-port-to-bypass-the-filter trick. David Whitmer Media and Technology Director Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul VanGundy To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:22:26 PM Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Squid/Dansguardian but who did it? All, We have Squid and Dansguardian on an Ubuntu box at one of our schools. However, if we have an incident how can we tell who the user was? We can see the IP addresses, but it's not logging the users that are logged on and surfing the web. Is there a utility or tool I can use for this? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From timothy.hart at gmail.com Thu May 11 14:00:33 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:00:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What programming languages are people teaching in K12LTSP environment In-Reply-To: <44634222.7070208@maltzen.net> References: <44634222.7070208@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <464c38cc0605110700l5d685717n5b0a005c322c9ec4@mail.gmail.com> Python is always my favorite. Starlogo is another to use. I wish there was a real version of Flash for Linux. I guess the questions they need to answer is how important is Flash and Actionscript in the curriculum? Would http://f4l.sourceforge.net/ (a stipped down swf creator) do what they need? Are the old machines really that old, or do they just want to update to get the latest version of flash? On 5/11/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > At my kids' school, the two computer teachers are trying to get money for > upgrading > their computer lab for next fall. They've calculated that they need ~$32k > to replace 25 > machines with 3ghz P4s with 1GB RAM; they also want to replace the CRTs > with flat panels > to reduce the heat in the room, which is problem. They're being told > there isn't that > much money available. > > I suggested that they look at buying/building a beefy LTSP server and use > the existing > machines as clients. One of their hesitations has to do with programming: > they teach a > class on Flash, which I expect would be impossible to do on Linux. They > also teach Java > which would not be a problem on Linux. My question is what programming > classes are > people giving using their LTSP environments? While I question the value > of teaching > Flash programming at the high school level, I think an argument can be > made for it in > the sense that people & businesses do like to use the things it > provides. But I think > if I can suggest alternatives--and I don't mean just a replacement for > Flash, but rather > a list of languages that other schools are teaching--it might make a > difference. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 11 14:14:53 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:14:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What programming languages are people teaching in K12LTSP environment In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0605110700l5d685717n5b0a005c322c9ec4@mail.gmail.com> References: <44634222.7070208@maltzen.net> <464c38cc0605110700l5d685717n5b0a005c322c9ec4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <446346DD.4010400@maltzen.net> I think the machines are about five years old. Interestingly, they sometimes refer to them as 'stolen': they were donated by some fellow, from his company--except his company didn't know they were donating them. They've had to replace two or three power supplies this past year. They have a reputation for crashing a lot, but I suspect that's a software issue--W2K--rather than hardware. Python seems like a good idea; what do you use for curriculum? I'll have a look at the f4l on sourceforge. Petre Timothy Hart wrote: > Python is always my favorite. Starlogo is another to use. I wish there > was a real version of Flash for Linux. I guess the questions they need > to answer is how important is Flash and Actionscript in the curriculum? > Would http://f4l.sourceforge.net/ (a stipped down swf creator) do what > they need? Are the old machines really that old, or do they just want to > update to get the latest version of flash? > > On 5/11/06, *Petre Scheie* > wrote: > > At my kids' school, the two computer teachers are trying to get > money for upgrading > their computer lab for next fall. They've calculated that they need > ~$32k to replace 25 > machines with 3ghz P4s with 1GB RAM; they also want to replace the > CRTs with flat panels > to reduce the heat in the room, which is problem. They're being > told there isn't that > much money available. > > I suggested that they look at buying/building a beefy LTSP server > and use the existing > machines as clients. One of their hesitations has to do with > programming: they teach a > class on Flash, which I expect would be impossible to do on > Linux. They also teach Java > which would not be a problem on Linux. My question is what > programming classes are > people giving using their LTSP environments? While I question the > value of teaching > Flash programming at the high school level, I think an argument can > be made for it in > the sense that people & businesses do like to use the things it > provides. But I think > if I can suggest alternatives--and I don't mean just a replacement > for Flash, but rather > a list of languages that other schools are teaching--it might make a > difference. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From aahodson at episd.org Thu May 11 14:18:38 2006 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:18:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query Message-ID: Hi gang Just installed K12LTSP V5 Beta 6-32 bit (sounds SO impressive) on a Dell 4600, and tried searching for the correct way to make ALL my clients boot iceWM... I can't say I have a REAL clear picture of how to go about it - there are leads, but when trying to find directories and file names, they are just not updated. My query is: Is there an updated HOW TO for making iceWM the V5 default, and removing the login choices? I know Eric and others will be dealing with some of the minor tweaks via yum updates, making this distro mature by (US) summer's end, ready for Fall's school opening dates - I also know I am not alone in making this request. Cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX -=o=- From yorick at xtra.co.nz Thu May 11 14:41:38 2006 From: yorick at xtra.co.nz (Graham) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 02:41:38 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <1147355301.26689.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> <69b790a80605101330p67233ec9x9633a9a3bfe774a9@mail.gmail.com> <4462A26E.9010604@alltel.net> <200605110840.34078.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <1147355301.26689.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <44634D22.9060302@xtra.co.nz> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 03:40, Martin Woolley wrote: > > >>On Thursday 11 May 2006 02:33, Doug Simpson wrote: >> >> >> >>>"There's no innovation that we've seen come out of - at least Linux," >>>Ballmer said Tuesday. "Linux is a clone of a 30-years-old operating >>>system (called Unix)." >>> >>> >>I reckon M$ has stifled innovation. When I started working in computing in >>1979, I worked on IBM 370s and ICL 2900s, which were common machines. Ten >>years later, I was working with PCs running Windows and the big irons were >>all but consigned to history. Another 15 years on and I am still working >>with PCs running Windoze. I think the PC came out in 1983 and Windows was >>launched in 1985; ie it's 20 years old. Linux (1992) is really the fresh >>faced kid on the block. >> >> > >You are missing a large and painful chunk of history here. The >PC's of the 80's ran MSDOS which does next to nothing and what >displaced the mainframes was a set of unrelated and innovative >applications like visicalc, wordperfect, and dbase. This was >all driven by pricing compared to mainframes and the other >potential competitor which was unix. The PCs back then did >not have enough power to run unix and didn't do too well >with windows either until the mid-90's. Networking was >mostly Novell netware because it took less client memory >than the competing IBM PC-NET which was the original netbios >that grew into windows networking. But even before >the PC, Radio Shack/Tandy was shipping something that >would: http://oldcomputers.net/trs80ii.html and it became >at one point the largest installed unix (xenix) base. It >was really horrible hardware though and didn't evolve >very well. An assortment of other companies had much more >expensive unix boxes but price-wise they couldn't compete >with PCs. The turning point came when PCs became capable >of running either windows or unix. The 386 sort-of worked >and the 486 wasn't bad although still not great at X and >graphics especially with the amount of memory you could >afford then. The problem then was that AT&T owned unix and >was selling it for about $1,000 per machine. They didn't >quite get the concept of one (or more) machines per >user - and it was configured to only work with their own >overpriced hardware. Around 1993/4, Dell sold a nice version >of SysVr4 Unix that worked with most generic hardware - still >in the $1,000 range for the OS, but it made a nice server. >Then when Windows95 was released, this version mysteriously >went away. If you read any of the transcripts of the >vendor testimony from the Microsoft antitrust trial you >can probably guess why. Then when windows NT came out at >$3-400 per server the fact that it barely worked didn't matter, >it was so much cheaper that there wasn't any choice. Linux >was around by then, but so buggy that it wasn't a reasonable >option. FreeBSD was also around but in the middle of an >AT&T lawsuit about their right to distribute it. AT&T >later lost but that gave Linux its lead over the *bsd's. >So, Linux may appear as the new contender, but it is the >applications that count and application development >really has been continuous across the versions of unix >and linux. Unlike your transition from the mainframe through >msdos and various versions of windows, anything you had >written in C, shell, or perl in the 80's under unix could >be running virtually unchanged today on linux. I've always >believed that if there had been a version of commercial >unix priced reasonably for personal use (perhaps like >OSX today) and it had been allowed to survive Microsoft's >anticompetitive activities, application development would >have had a gracefully evolving base over the last several >decades instead of the disruptive turmoil it has been though. > > > I suppose you have to be an old bugger, but Les is so right. Yes in latter days you can certainly find fault with MS's business practices in terms of maintaining the Monopoly, but it was IBM, SCO, HP, SGI and their greed and shortsightedness that basically handed the monopoly to MS on a plate. All of the above had there own *ixes in the eighties. IBM had AIX, SCO-Xenix, HP - HPUX and SGI IRIX... All priced way out of range of the average PC User. Heh at least they're still significant... In the late sixties I worked for NCR! :) -- "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz From accessys at smart.net Thu May 11 14:49:41 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <44634D22.9060302@xtra.co.nz> References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> <69b790a80605101330p67233ec9x9633a9a3bfe774a9@mail.gmail.com> <4462A26E.9010604@alltel.net> <200605110840.34078.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <1147355301.26689.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <44634D22.9060302@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2006, Graham wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > >On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 03:40, Martin Woolley wrote: B> >>On Thursday 11 May 2006 02:33, Doug Simpson wrote: > >>>"There's no innovation that we've seen come out of - at least Linux," > >>>Ballmer said Tuesday. "Linux is a clone of a 30-years-old operating > >>>system (called Unix)." > > > >You are missing a large and painful chunk of history here. The > >PC's of the 80's ran MSDOS which does next to nothing and what > > > I suppose you have to be an old bugger, but Les is so right. Yes in > latter days you can certainly find fault with MS's business practices in > terms of maintaining the Monopoly, but it was IBM, SCO, HP, SGI and > their greed and shortsightedness that basically handed the monopoly to > MS on a plate. All of the above had there own *ixes in the eighties. > IBM had AIX, SCO-Xenix, HP - HPUX and SGI IRIX... All priced way out of > range of the average PC User. Heh at least they're still > significant... 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 11 15:27:13 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:27:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <69b790a80605101317o5a927b1ah243f68dcdd44b1b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> <20060510174256.M92262@winonacotter.org> <69b790a80605101317o5a927b1ah243f68dcdd44b1b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <446357D1.6050404@paasda.org> yeah oregonlive.com is the newspaper's website... they want your demographics so they can harass you to buy their newspaper ;) Roger wrote: > On 5/10/06, Doug Simpson wrote: >> What is the news story associated with this? >> > if you follow the link above to ap.org/whatever/... > it has the full story I saw. I tried going to oregonlive.com, but the > link required registration. I didn't want to bother with it. I think > they just want some basic demographics. Like I said, the link above > should be in the open. The gist of it is, Ballmer was in Portland to > give a local university some $$$. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robert.pogson at gmail.com Thu May 11 15:30:20 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:30:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Squid/Dansguardian but who did it? In-Reply-To: <20060511134828.F2F1D73417@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060511134828.F2F1D73417@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1147361420.26851.93.camel@beast> Barry R Cisna wrote: Of course if the student knows how to take out the proxy number in Internet Explorer, they are home free anyway:(. You can prevent that by transparent proxy. You can also force use of the proxy by having the firewall on the LTSP server and blocking port 80 access unless it comes from squid. You can set up squid ACL to prevent access to port 3128 by anyone but the dansguardian user. The only port left is 8080 to get into dansguardian. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 11 15:48:31 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:48:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Alan Hodson wrote: > Hi gang > > Just installed K12LTSP V5 Beta 6-32 bit (sounds SO impressive) on a > Dell 4600, and tried searching for the correct way to make ALL my > clients boot iceWM... I can't say I have a REAL clear picture of how to > go about it - there are leads, but when trying to find directories and > file names, they are just not updated. > > My query is: Is there an updated HOW TO for making iceWM the V5 > default, and removing the login choices? I know Eric and others will be > dealing with some of the minor tweaks via yum updates, making this > distro mature by (US) summer's end, ready for Fall's school opening > dates - I also know I am not alone in making this request. > > Cheers > > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > -=o=- I think this works... (untested ;-) Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf In the [daemon] section, add this line: DefaultSession=icewm.desktop and then run gdm-restart (NOTE: this kicks off all users who are logged in!) or gdm-safe-restart (NOTE: changes will not take affect until all users are logged out) The session configuration files are now in /usr/share/xsessions/ if you want to completely remove the Gnome/KDE/etc sessions. -Eric From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu May 11 17:15:45 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:15:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Squid/Dansguardian but who did it? In-Reply-To: <1147361420.26851.93.camel@beast> References: <20060511134828.F2F1D73417@hormel.redhat.com> <1147361420.26851.93.camel@beast> Message-ID: <44637141.2020003@rogueriver.k12.or.us> pogson wrote: > > Barry R Cisna > wrote: > > /Of course if the student knows how to take out the proxy number in/ > /Internet Explorer, they are home free anyway:(./ > > You can prevent that by transparent proxy. > > You can also force use of the proxy by having the firewall on the LTSP > server and blocking port 80 access unless it comes from squid. You can > set up squid ACL to prevent access to port 3128 by anyone but the > dansguardian user. The only port left is 8080 to get into dansguardian. > That's the way to go IMHO, and not just for the LTSP lab. Around here, we've actually gone to the point of blocking all outbound ports districtwide and whitelisting only those ports that are needed for a particular purpose - 443 and the occasional odd port that some website has been set up on that someone in the district uses. This eliminates access to various IM applications and other problematic matters, such as outbound propigation of email viruses, as only the mailserver is allowed to use port 25. Port 80 and 8080 get redirected through the proxy, which eliminates the need to have each client set up to use the (transparent) proxy, and also makes it pretty much impossible to avoid it. Again, auth is a piece I've looked at, but given that students don't yet have their own network accounts, it'd be pointless. Mike From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu May 11 18:05:42 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:05:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger Message-ID: I've got an IPCop box that all of my students pass through to get to internet and have been using the Dansgardian plugin for years. My Principal came to me a few days ago and asked why I've openned up msn web messenger to the students. This had been blocked for some time by using the editable phrase, url, and site lists. Now, several problematic students have figured out how to get msn web messenger running on their clients again... I've looked at their history files and just can't figure out how to stop web messenger and what url they are using to get it going. Does anyone here know how to stop webmessenger? Thanks, Jim From robark at gmail.com Thu May 11 18:09:56 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:09:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What programming languages are people teaching in K12LTSP environment In-Reply-To: <44634222.7070208@maltzen.net> References: <44634222.7070208@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 5/11/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > I suggested that they look at buying/building a beefy LTSP server and use the existing > machines as clients. One of their hesitations has to do with programming: they teach a > class on Flash, which I expect would be impossible to do on Linux. They also teach Java > which would not be a problem on Linux. My question is what programming classes are > people giving using their LTSP environments? While I question the value of teaching > Flash programming at the high school level, I think an argument can be made for it in I teach C++ with Anjuta IDE and do FLTK ( Fl_TeacherTool is coded with FLTK) with my seniors . FLTK is pretty easy to learn if you know C++. Next year I may try to get them to stick with vim. If you go Java and want to use a popular Java IDE's make sure you have a strong server as some Java IDE's are slow and bloated. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 11 18:10:50 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:10:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44637E2A.9000203@paasda.org> block meebo.com ;) --Huck Jim Christiansen wrote: > I've got an IPCop box that all of my students pass through to get to > internet and have been using the Dansgardian plugin for years. My > Principal came to me a few days ago and asked why I've openned up msn > web messenger to the students. This had been blocked for some time by > using the editable phrase, url, and site lists. Now, several > problematic students have figured out how to get msn web messenger > running on their clients again... I've looked at their history files > and just can't figure out how to stop web messenger and what url they > are using to get it going. > > Does anyone here know how to stop webmessenger? > > Thanks, Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robert.pogson at gmail.com Thu May 11 18:17:26 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:17:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 27, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <20060511160035.F049D736A4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060511160035.F049D736A4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1147371446.26851.127.camel@beast> On Thu, 2006-11-05 at 12:00 -0400, Petre Scheie wrote: What programming languages are people teaching in K12LTSP environment I believe PASCAL is a great first language. I use FreePascal from http://www.freepascal.org. It can be used for procedural and OOP. I like PASCAL because it was designed for the purpose and has a rather small vocabulary. Students do not need much more than the compiler and a simple text editor like vim or gedit. For preparing students for the workplace, C would be better, but it could be put in an intermediate or advanced course. A first course should get them excited about programming, not overwhelm them. With databases, I use MySQL. I also teach HTML with a simple text editor and Bluefish. HTML is just the beginner's level. That extends with PHP, javascript and CGI scripts. Pascal is good for writing CGI scripts because it has simple, powerful string handling. To set up servers, one pretty well has to introduce students to BASH. Starting in grade 9 or 10 and extending to grade 12, these languages will turn ordinary mortals into rabid computer geeks. I think it is important to start as early as possible and do easy stuff at first. Keep it simple and use lots of examples. I have used the curriculum in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, in Canada. Alberta is the best. They have a large number of Career and Technology Studies modules. Related to computers, one finds material on graphics, computer hardware, networking and programming. The idea is to bring teachers knowledgeable and excited about the field together with students who do not know what to do with themselves and to give the students the idea that they can do magic. I was once teaching a class in networking. The topic was ethernet cabling and I was getting students to assemble cables. A student visited the class on some errand and asked to join. She became the superstar being able to install PCs, networks and servers without ever having touched hardware before or having any idea that this might be in her future. The modules are flexible. Students are evaluated on accomplishments and keen students can finish a module and go onto the next. See http://www.education.gov.ab.ca/k_12/curriculum/bySubject/cts/ The strands I have used are Information Processing, Electrotechnologies and Communication Studies. Saskatchewan's curriculum is decent but not as extensive. Manitoba has finally done a re-write from ancient articles and is getting close. With the Alberta curriculum, a student could accomplish all the objectives of the Manitoba curriculum for Computer Science in one semester. Manitoba spends a year on warm fuzzy things, a year on introductory topics and a year doing the real stuff. I think they must be trying to bore the keen students to death... The main differences are that the Alberta curriculum assumes the teacher is knowlegeable and on fire permitting many things to be done in parallel. That is, you teach the warm fuzzies about computers while students write their first game or search engine. Manitoba seems to assume the teacher is learning along with students and must plod. I wrote them and did not receive a reply... I will be teaching in Manitoba this year, and my students will not fall asleep. I will assume the Manitoba curriculum is the minimum standard. -- A problem is an opportunity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william at fragakis.com Thu May 11 18:27:44 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:27:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What programming languages are people teaching in K12LTSP environment In-Reply-To: <20060511160035.F049D736A4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060511160035.F049D736A4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1147372064.9714.4.camel@server.ltsp> That's about how much it's ended up costing to K12LTSP our whole school. Flash would be the bug-a-boo but it sounds like they are doing some web stuff so if the OSS version of Flash works for you, add php and mysql (of course, not a language per se) into the mix. regards, William On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:54:42 -0500 > From: Petre Scheie > Subject: [K12OSN] What programming languages are people teaching in > K12LTSP environment > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <44634222.7070208 at maltzen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > At my kids' school, the two computer teachers are trying to get money > for upgrading > their computer lab for next fall. They've calculated that they need ~ > $32k to replace 25 > machines with 3ghz P4s with 1GB RAM; they also want to replace the > CRTs with flat panels > to reduce the heat in the room, which is problem. They're being told > there isn't that > much money available. > > I suggested that they look at buying/building a beefy LTSP server and > use the existing > machines as clients. One of their hesitations has to do with > programming: they teach a > class on Flash, which I expect would be impossible to do on Linux. > They also teach Java > which would not be a problem on Linux. My question is what > programming classes are > people giving using their LTSP environments? While I question the > value of teaching > Flash programming at the high school level, I think an argument can be > made for it in > the sense that people & businesses do like to use the things it > provides. But I think > if I can suggest alternatives--and I don't mean just a replacement for > Flash, but rather > a list of languages that other schools are teaching--it might make a > difference. > > Petre From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 11 18:31:48 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:31:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What programming languages are people teaching in K12LTSP environment In-Reply-To: <44634222.7070208@maltzen.net> References: <44634222.7070208@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44638314.3030305@mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > I suggested that they look at buying/building a beefy LTSP server and > use the existing machines as clients. One of their hesitations has to > do with programming: they teach a class on Flash, which I expect would > be impossible to do on Linux. They also teach Java which would not be a > problem on Linux. My question is what programming classes are people > giving using their LTSP environments? While I question the value of > teaching Flash programming at the high school level, I think an argument > can be made for it in the sense that people & businesses do like to use > the things it provides. I'd argue that beyond it's usefulness as a teaching tool, the language doesn't matter. Focus on pedagogy, not market-share. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/28 -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From caldodge at gmail.com Thu May 11 18:36:44 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:36:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What programming languages are people teaching in K12LTSP environment In-Reply-To: <1147372064.9714.4.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20060511160035.F049D736A4@hormel.redhat.com> <1147372064.9714.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0605111136p2b87fc44m96e3006a2ea33942@mail.gmail.com> On 5/11/06, William Fragakis wrote: > That's about how much it's ended up costing to K12LTSP our whole school. > > Flash would be the bug-a-boo but it sounds like they are doing some web > stuff so if the OSS version of Flash works for you, add php and mysql > (of course, not a language per se) into the mix. At the risk of sounding pedantic, Flash isn't OSS. I'm pretty sure it's free as in beer, not speech (which is one reaons why no 64-bit Linux version is available). Calvin From william at fragakis.com Thu May 11 18:37:14 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:37:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp flexibility In-Reply-To: <20060511134828.F2F1D73417@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060511134828.F2F1D73417@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1147372634.9714.11.camel@server.ltsp> If we want to quickly "adjust" the dhcp.conf file (or lts.conf file for that matter) is there a syntax for commenting out a section between a certain markup? I know that # does a line but I'm looking for something to the equivalent in php /* ..... */ which comments out everything in between. Say, I'd like to set up a bunch of ip addresses in a dhcp.conf but comment them out until I need to activate that section. TIAA, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu May 11 18:44:33 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:44:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp flexibility In-Reply-To: <1147372634.9714.11.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20060511134828.F2F1D73417@hormel.redhat.com> <1147372634.9714.11.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <44638611.9040400@rogueriver.k12.or.us> If I recall correctly, there's no "comment block" convention for config files, which are essentially shellscripts. If you really have a huge block, my suggestion would be to use Kate or some other text editor to do the editing, as you can drag-comment large sections of text that way, then copy the conf back to the original location (be sure you backup and get correct file permissions!). Mike William Fragakis wrote: > If we want to quickly "adjust" the dhcp.conf file (or lts.conf file for > that matter) is there a syntax for commenting out a section between a > certain markup? > > I know that # does a line but I'm looking for something to the > equivalent in php /* ..... */ which comments out everything in between. > > Say, I'd like to set up a bunch of ip addresses in a dhcp.conf but > comment them out until I need to activate that section. > > TIAA, > William Fragakis > morrisbrandon.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu May 11 19:03:47 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:03:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp flexibility In-Reply-To: <1147372634.9714.11.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20060511134828.F2F1D73417@hormel.redhat.com> <1147372634.9714.11.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1147374226.27557.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 13:37, William Fragakis wrote: > If we want to quickly "adjust" the dhcp.conf file (or lts.conf file for > that matter) is there a syntax for commenting out a section between a > certain markup? > > I know that # does a line but I'm looking for something to the > equivalent in php /* ..... */ which comments out everything in between. > > Say, I'd like to set up a bunch of ip addresses in a dhcp.conf but > comment them out until I need to activate that section. One way that may or may not make sense in terms of editing is to group the optional parts in separate files and comment or uncomment include "path/to/file" statements in dhcpd.conf to control usage. Or you can learn to use vi commands like :.,/pattern/s/^/#/ (that says "from the current line through the one containing pattern, add a # at the beginning of the line). The language isn't all that obscure and works the same way for all commands so it is simple to learn and re-use. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca Thu May 11 19:06:43 2006 From: ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca (Ryan Hackl) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:06:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenBiblio -- Non-Admin log in? Message-ID: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A5712@mail1.lskysd.ca> Hello everyone! I'm testing out the OpenBiblio library system package. It looks very intuitive and helpful. But I was wondering one thing: is there currently a version that has the ability for non-admin users (such as "students") to log in and search for items? If not, does anyone know if that's a future direction for the software? Thanks a bunch for the responses. Ryan Hackl IT Services Living Sky School Division North Battleford, SK CANADA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu May 11 19:14:02 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:14:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenBiblio -- Non-Admin log in? Message-ID: <20060511121402.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.448e5ad26f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Hey Ryan, Have you checked out KOHA? It looks even better than OpenBiblio. http://www.koha.org/ Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] OpenBiblio -- Non-Admin log in? > From: "Ryan Hackl" > Date: Thu, May 11, 2006 2:06 pm > To: > > > Hello everyone! > > I'm testing out the OpenBiblio library system package. It looks very intuitive and helpful. But I was wondering one thing: is there currently a version that has the ability for non-admin users (such as "students") to log in and search for items? If not, does anyone know if that's a future direction for the software? > > Thanks a bunch for the responses. > > Ryan Hackl > IT Services > Living Sky School Division > North Battleford, SK CANADA > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Thu May 11 19:17:23 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:17:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: News article In-Reply-To: <1147355301.26689.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <69b790a80605100943q1c877632tfe8addbb1f321473@mail.gmail.com> <69b790a80605101330p67233ec9x9633a9a3bfe774a9@mail.gmail.com> <4462A26E.9010604@alltel.net> <200605110840.34078.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <1147355301.26689.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 5/11/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > You are missing a large and painful chunk of history here. The > PC's of the 80's ran MSDOS which does next to nothing and what > displaced the mainframes was a set of unrelated and innovative > applications like visicalc, wordperfect, and dbase. This was > all driven by pricing compared to mainframes and the other > potential competitor which was unix. The PCs back then did > not have enough power to run unix and didn't do too well > with windows either until the mid-90's. Networking was > mostly Novell netware because it took less client memory > than the competing IBM PC-NET which was the original netbios > that grew into windows networking. But even before > the PC, Radio Shack/Tandy was shipping something that > would: http://oldcomputers.net/trs80ii.html and it became > at one point the largest installed unix (xenix) base. It > was really horrible hardware though and didn't evolve > very well. An assortment of other companies had much more > expensive unix boxes but price-wise they couldn't compete > with PCs. The turning point came when PCs became capable > of running either windows or unix. The 386 sort-of worked > and the 486 wasn't bad although still not great at X and > graphics especially with the amount of memory you could > afford then. The problem then was that AT&T owned unix and > was selling it for about $1,000 per machine. They didn't > quite get the concept of one (or more) machines per > user - and it was configured to only work with their own > overpriced hardware. Around 1993/4, Dell sold a nice version > of SysVr4 Unix that worked with most generic hardware - still > in the $1,000 range for the OS, but it made a nice server. > Then when Windows95 was released, this version mysteriously > went away. If you read any of the transcripts of the > vendor testimony from the Microsoft antitrust trial you > can probably guess why. Then when windows NT came out at > $3-400 per server the fact that it barely worked didn't matter, > it was so much cheaper that there wasn't any choice. Linux > was around by then, but so buggy that it wasn't a reasonable > option. FreeBSD was also around but in the middle of an > AT&T lawsuit about their right to distribute it. AT&T > later lost but that gave Linux its lead over the *bsd's. > So, Linux may appear as the new contender, but it is the > applications that count and application development > really has been continuous across the versions of unix > and linux. Unlike your transition from the mainframe through > msdos and various versions of windows, anything you had > written in C, shell, or perl in the 80's under unix could > be running virtually unchanged today on linux. I've always > believed that if there had been a version of commercial > unix priced reasonably for personal use (perhaps like > OSX today) and it had been allowed to survive Microsoft's > anticompetitive activities, application development would > have had a gracefully evolving base over the last several > decades instead of the disruptive turmoil it has been though. Les, you are a veritable gold mine of information. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://fltk.org/links.php?V269 C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 11 19:20:35 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:20:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What programming languages are people teaching in K12LTSP environment In-Reply-To: <44638314.3030305@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44634222.7070208@maltzen.net> <44638314.3030305@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44638E83.7000500@mesd.k12.or.us> Dan Young wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: >> I suggested that they look at buying/building a beefy LTSP server and >> use the existing machines as clients. One of their hesitations has to >> do with programming: they teach a class on Flash, which I expect would >> be impossible to do on Linux. They also teach Java which would not be a >> problem on Linux. My question is what programming classes are people >> giving using their LTSP environments? While I question the value of >> teaching Flash programming at the high school level, I think an argument >> can be made for it in the sense that people & businesses do like to use >> the things it provides. > > I'd argue that beyond it's usefulness as a teaching tool, the language > doesn't matter. Focus on pedagogy, not market-share. > > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/28 Oops, forgot to mention a recommendation: yum install plt-scheme "DrScheme is an interactive, integrated, graphical programming environment for the MzScheme programming language, and the MrEd windowing toolbox." and take a look at: http://www.plt-scheme.org/software/drscheme/learning.html and: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu May 11 20:15:32 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:15:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger Message-ID: Hi Huck, meebo and a ton of other access urls are blocked. Also, a student came to me and told me that the way they get in is then they get a blocked url and the dansgardian block page comes up, they change the blocked url to a secure http site by adding the s (https://...) and then they get into a working browser with messenger. I'll have to grab their browsing history somehow before they delete it to take a look. Jim ======================================= Re: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger * From: Huck * To: jim linux ca, "Support list for opensource software in schools." * Cc: * Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger * Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:10:50 -0700 block meebo.com ;) --Huck Jim Christiansen wrote: I've got an IPCop box that all of my students pass through to get to internet and have been using the Dansgardian plugin for years. My Principal came to me a few days ago and asked why I've openned up msn web messenger to the students. This had been blocked for some time by using the editable phrase, url, and site lists. Now, several problematic students have figured out how to get msn web messenger running on their clients again... I've looked at their history files and just can't figure out how to stop web messenger and what url they are using to get it going. Does anyone here know how to stop webmessenger? Thanks, Jim From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu May 11 20:55:00 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:55:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4463A4A4.60802@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Yeah, that's a common enough trick. I'm struggling with it, too. The option I haven't taken yet is to whitelist sites that can be used with port 443, but I'm leaning in that direction. On a related note, the supers here are talking about setting web access up as a whitelist-only situation. While this seems insane at first, it's pretty much what's already happening anyhow. Ideally, what I'd much rather see is the state to step forward and fund schools to the point that we don't have stuff like this happening - invariably it turns out to be due to inadequate supervision, whether that's because high school students have actual free periods (shockingly, they tend to get into the most trouble when they're scheduled to be at school but not anywhere in particular), or because middle school teachers are seeing 45 students in their classes... Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi Huck, > > meebo and a ton of other access urls are blocked. Also, a student came > to me and told me that the way they get in is then they get a blocked > url and the dansgardian block page comes up, they change the blocked url > to a secure http site by adding the s (https://...) and then they get > into a working browser with messenger. > > I'll have to grab their browsing history somehow before they delete it > to take a look. > > Jim > > ======================================= > Re: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger > > * From: Huck > * To: jim linux ca, "Support list for opensource software in > schools." > * Cc: > * Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger > * Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:10:50 -0700 > > block meebo.com ;) > > --Huck > > Jim Christiansen wrote: > > I've got an IPCop box that all of my students pass through to get to > internet and have been using the Dansgardian plugin for years. My > Principal came to me a few days ago and asked why I've openned up msn > web messenger to the students. This had been blocked for some time by > using the editable phrase, url, and site lists. Now, several problematic > students have figured out how to get msn web messenger running on their > clients again... I've looked at their history files and just can't > figure out how to stop web messenger and what url they are using to get > it going. > > Does anyone here know how to stop webmessenger? > > Thanks, Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca Thu May 11 23:19:23 2006 From: ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca (Ryan Hackl) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:19:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenBiblio -- Non-Admin log in? References: <20060511121402.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.448e5ad26f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A5714@mail1.lskysd.ca> We'd looked at that earlier and thought that it was more than we needed. Plus, we liked the simple interface that OpenBiblio provides. We may need to look at koha again... - Ryan ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of rmcdaniel at indata.us Sent: Thu 5/11/2006 1:14 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] OpenBiblio -- Non-Admin log in? Hey Ryan, Have you checked out KOHA? It looks even better than OpenBiblio. http://www.koha.org/ Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] OpenBiblio -- Non-Admin log in? > From: "Ryan Hackl" > Date: Thu, May 11, 2006 2:06 pm > To: > > > Hello everyone! > > I'm testing out the OpenBiblio library system package. It looks very intuitive and helpful. But I was wondering one thing: is there currently a version that has the ability for non-admin users (such as "students") to log in and search for items? If not, does anyone know if that's a future direction for the software? > > Thanks a bunch for the responses. > > Ryan Hackl > IT Services > Living Sky School Division > North Battleford, SK CANADA > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If printer is paused, then enables it again Answer to the second question: After deleting files from /var/spool/squid (and not the tmp directory) you must restart cups: service cups restart This link is to page in estonian but blue lines and bold text are english commands anyway. http://www.vvpk.vil.ee/linux/index.php?artikli_id=17&nupu_nimipealkirjas=Printer Olle Niit Doug Simpson wrote: > I have several servers running FCx and I have a few questions about > printing. > > First off, where can I find the files it spools to be printed? > > I looked in /var/spool/cups and find files in there and delete them, > but they remain in the print manager and eventually say aborted. 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I chroot to extracted_fs and removed or added packages with apt-get. Now I get the idea of running a window manager while in the chroot environment by typing startx. This just results with an error (so does init 5). What do I have to setup to get a window manager running? Is an X server running in a chroot environment? Can it run? Did I conmit the usual newbie mistake? Please advise. I need to get a customized CD working for a project teaching kids chess using a Linux live CD. Thanks in advance. Real proto aka Latin Luv 241 latinluv241 at gmail dot com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toddobryan at mac.com Fri May 12 10:02:56 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 06:02:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT, slightly: loading OS remotely, running locally Message-ID: I have a lab of 30 relatively recent P4's with 512MB of RAM, decent hard drives, etc. In terms of running fast, they're great. In terms of maintenance, they're a nightmare. Having to re-install software on all of them or re-image the lab when I discover a permissions problem I've mis-set (and on Windows, that's way too common) is a huge pain. So, I was thinking, what if I had a central server that wasn't responsible for *running* all the programs on the local machines, but did serve the OS to them through PXE and hosted a common filesystem (including /home and /usr). Updates would occur once, students would be able to access their files from anywhere in the lab, and I could still boot Windows from the hard drive if I needed to. (I've also thought about setting up an image and having it auto- update itself using rsync or something from a central repository as a way of automating system updates, but that seems slightly dicier.) Anyway, has anyone done anything (or heard of anyone doing anything) similar? Thanks, Todd From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Fri May 12 12:40:31 2006 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp-release conflict with livna-release In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1158.24.2.210.202.1147437631.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> I tried to install pine which is in the livna repository. but it is not found. [root at boesrv01 ~]# yum install pine Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Install Process Setting up repositories core [1/6] core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 k12ltsp [2/6] k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates [3/6] updates 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 macromedia [4/6] macromedia 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 webmin [5/6] webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras [6/6] extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 311 kB 00:00 updates : ################################################## 984/984 Added 21 new packages, deleted 13 old in 2.40 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:03 extras : ################################################## 3168/3168 Added 114 new packages, deleted 64 old in 6.43 seconds Parsing package install arguments No Match for argument: pine Nothing to do I then tried to install the livna rpm package so I can access the repository in yum. I get the following error message. [root at boesrv01 ~]# rpm -ivh http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm Retrieving http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] file /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo from install of livna-release-5-4 conflicts with file from package k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d I see that there is an /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo on my server Is there a problem accessing livna with k12ltsp-release? Regards Mark Orenstein East Granby (CT,USA) School System From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 12 13:05:17 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:05:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT, slightly: loading OS remotely, running locally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060512125601.M84625@winonacotter.org> > So, I was thinking, what if I had a central server that wasn't > responsible for *running* all the programs on the local machines, > but did serve the OS to them through PXE and hosted a common > filesystem > (including /home and /usr). Updates would occur once, students would > be able to access their files from anywhere in the lab, and I could > still boot Windows from the hard drive if I needed to. > > (I've also thought about setting up an image and having it auto- > update itself using rsync or something from a central repository as > a way of automating system updates, but that seems slightly dicier.) It sounds like you want something similar to OSX Netboot but running windows. Just for clarification it sounds like you want an ISO image of your "gold" Windows machine setup sitting on a server and somehow expanded sort of like a live CD onto your local machines. This image would in no way touch your local hard drives, they wouldn't even be needed. This image would be set to use SAMBA/LDAP or something similar to authenticate and auto mount their roaming profiles and home directories on login. Sound right? I know you can do everything else, but I don't know how you would boot the ISO from over a network. Sounds interesting. Could a live image be place on a server and booted with a boot floppy or local script to simply expand a network share with net use commands or similar and function as if it ran from a local CDROM? Or would there simply be too much lag with the network involved? Of course, has anyone ever seen a Windows live CD :-) Maybe you just need to look more into better ghosting options. What do you use now? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From victor at hiplik.com.hk Fri May 12 13:37:36 2006 From: victor at hiplik.com.hk (Victor) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:37:36 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp-release conflict with livna-release In-Reply-To: <1158.24.2.210.202.1147437631.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <1158.24.2.210.202.1147437631.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <44648FA0.7050203@hiplik.com.hk> Hi Mark, You can simply download the livna-release-5.rpm and then decompress the file. You will then have the following files: /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-livna Copy the above 2 files to /etc/yum.repos.d and /etc/pki/rpm-gpg You will then able to access the livna repo from yum. I do the same as above in Fedora 5 and it works for me. Regards, Victor mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us ??: > I tried to install pine which is in the livna repository. but it is not > found. > > [root at boesrv01 ~]# yum install pine > Loading "installonlyn" plugin > Setting up Install Process > Setting up repositories > core [1/6] > core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > k12ltsp [2/6] > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > updates [3/6] > updates 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > macromedia [4/6] > macromedia 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > webmin [5/6] > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > extras [6/6] > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 311 kB 00:00 > updates : ################################################## 984/984 > Added 21 new packages, deleted 13 old in 2.40 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:03 > extras : ################################################## 3168/3168 > Added 114 new packages, deleted 64 old in 6.43 seconds > Parsing package install arguments > No Match for argument: pine > Nothing to do > > > > I then tried to install the livna rpm package so I can access the > repository in yum. I get the following error message. > > [root at boesrv01 ~]# rpm -ivh http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm > Retrieving http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm > Preparing... ########################################### > [100%] > file /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo from install of livna-release-5-4 > conflicts with file from package k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d > > I see that there is an /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo on my server > > > Is there a problem accessing livna with k12ltsp-release? > > Regards > Mark Orenstein > East Granby (CT,USA) School System > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 12 13:40:09 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:40:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: <445E3330.5080503@maltzen.net> References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445CD047.1080002@maltzen.net> <445D0F21.4050903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445D1A0E.1030507@maltzen.net> <445DE533.2010404@maltzen.net> <445E3330.5080503@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44649039.6070906@maltzen.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Sun, 7 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 6 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Not sure if this is related or not, but I tried to run yum update >>>>>>> on my >>>>>>> 5.0 beta 1 box and got this error: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hmmm, this might be bug #188926 since the gcompris-* packages are in >>>> both the K12LTSP and the Fedora Extra repositories. >>>> >>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=188926 >>>> >>>> Try running this command: >>>> >>>> yum --disablerepo=extras update >>>> >>> Nope, I still get the same error. >>> >>> Petre >>> >> >> Hmmm. Ok, first lets make sure that we minimize that this as a yum bug by >> updating the the latest package: >> >> yum install yum >> >> Once that is installed, then try updating again: >> >> yum clean all >> yum update >> >> If any of these give you an error, can you post the whole output? >> >> -Eric > > After running 'yum install yum' and 'yum clean all', I'm getting a new > error when I run 'yum update'. Here's the whole output as requested: > [root at elk ~]# yum update > Loading "installonlyn" plugin > Setting up Update Process > Setting up repositories > livna [1/6] > livna 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > core [2/6] > core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > k12ltsp [3/6] > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > updates [4/6] > updates 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > webmin [5/6] > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > extras [6/6] > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 97 kB 00:00 > livna : ################################################## 295/295 > Added 295 new packages, deleted 0 old in 11.74 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 767 kB 00:05 > core : ################################################## 2207/2207 > Added 2207 new packages, deleted 0 old in 64.37 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:35 > k12ltsp : ################################################## 3455/3455 > Added 3455 new packages, deleted 0 old in 108.02 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 313 kB 00:02 > updates : ################################################## 1000/1000 > Added 1000 new packages, deleted 0 old in 36.99 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 969 B 00:00 > webmin : ################################################## 2/2 > Added 2 new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.07 seconds > ftp://mirror.newnanutilities.org/pub/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: > [Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp error] 421 There are too many connected > users, please try later. > Trying other mirror. > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:13 > http://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: > [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum > Trying other mirror. > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 958 kB 00:06 > ftp://fedora.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core-extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: > [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum > Trying other mirror. > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:06 > http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/fedora.redhat/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: > [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum > Trying other mirror. > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:06 > ftp://fedora.bu.edu/fedora/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno > -1] Metadata file does not match checksum > Trying other mirror. > http://mirror.clarkson.edu/pub/distributions/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: > [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 17:40:58 GMT > Server: Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat) > Content-Length: 352 > Connection: close > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > Trying other mirror. > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:07 > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: > [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum > Trying other mirror. > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 01:22 > http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: > [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from extras: [Errno 256] No more > mirrors to try. > > Thanks Eric. > I'm still getting this same error. Any suggestions? Petre From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 12 15:01:58 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp-release conflict with livna-release In-Reply-To: <1158.24.2.210.202.1147437631.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <1158.24.2.210.202.1147437631.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2006 mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > I tried to install pine which is in the livna repository. but it is not > found. > > [root at boesrv01 ~]# yum install pine > Loading "installonlyn" plugin > Setting up Install Process > Setting up repositories > core [1/6] > core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > k12ltsp [2/6] > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > updates [3/6] > updates 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > macromedia [4/6] > macromedia 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > webmin [5/6] > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > extras [6/6] > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 311 kB 00:00 > updates : ################################################## 984/984 > Added 21 new packages, deleted 13 old in 2.40 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:03 > extras : ################################################## 3168/3168 > Added 114 new packages, deleted 64 old in 6.43 seconds > Parsing package install arguments > No Match for argument: pine > Nothing to do > > > > I then tried to install the livna rpm package so I can access the > repository in yum. I get the following error message. > > [root at boesrv01 ~]# rpm -ivh http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm > Retrieving http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm > Preparing... ########################################### > [100%] > file /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo from install of livna-release-5-4 > conflicts with file from package k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d > > I see that there is an /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo on my server > > > Is there a problem accessing livna with k12ltsp-release? > > Regards > Mark Orenstein > East Granby (CT,USA) School System > As you note, the livna repository is already installed, it is just disabled by default. Edit /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo and change enabled=0 to enabled=1 -Eric From opensource at whitenitro.com Fri May 12 15:37:19 2006 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:37:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OpenBiblio -- Non-Admin log in? In-Reply-To: <20060512130539.47F647301E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060512130539.47F647301E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3f09b17ac3306d45f2681d8e16462155@whitenitro.com> On May 12, 2006, at 9:05 AM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > But I was wondering one thing: is there currently a version that has > the ability for non-admin users (such as "students") to log in and > search for items? If not, does anyone know if that's a future > direction for the software? Ryan - I had a similar request from a librarian after I installed a copy of OpenBiblio. Have you checked out the (too small) OPAC link at the bottom of each page? This provides the capability to search the catalogue without requiring someone to log in. I think this library has set this OPAC (Online Public Access Catalog) page as the default home page on the library machines so students can just walk up and do a search. BTW - I demoed both KOHA and OpenBiblio and they chose OpenBiblio for the simpler interface and ease of setup. It is a small, rural elementary school with ~250 students. Koha is great but it seems to really shine in a multi-branch installation. Bryant White Nitro, LLC From moquist at majen.net Fri May 12 17:19:19 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:19:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: What programming languages are people teaching in K12LTSP environment (Petre Scheie) In-Reply-To: <20060512130539.2F7AD73019@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060512130539.2F7AD73019@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060512171919.GB20284@majen.net> At least you didn't mention VisualBasic, which strikes me as one of the worst possible first languages to learn. I must admit that Flash comes in a close second, though I hadn't considered it before. If _programming_ is really what they're trying to teach, then the kids need to learn analytic skills and structured programming concepts, and NOT spend their time evaluating different shades of color and tweaking precisely where their GUI elements are, etc. I greatly fear that starting kids out in any visual environment makes it far too easy for everyone to become distracted by unimportant visual things and neglect the much more important conceptual things. Just yesterday, a (non-programmer) math teacher at the high school where my wife teaches pointed out that the math department, NOT the business department, is the best place for the computer science classes in a high school. The link to Shuttleworth's April 26th entry that Dan posted is great (thanks, Dan!). Jeff Elkner, of Yorktown High School in Arlington, VA, has been teaching Python to his students since 2000. He's even written a book on this entitled "How to Think Like a Computer Scientist: Learning with Python". See: http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/pyBiblio/ http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCS/python/english This open letter to educational institutions addresses this topic as well, and provides some arguments for teaching any Open Source language instead of any proprietary language: http://tinyurl.com/eaa99 This is a topic dear to me (I'm a software engineer with a CS degree who is concerned for public education) and I hope this discussion is helpful to you. Lastly, I'll mention that Jeff Elkner will be at the UNH NorthEast Linux Symposium this year, and he's delivering a keynote entitled "Learning and Teaching with Free Software: A Twelve Year Journey That's Only Just Beginning". I'm sure he'd be happy to discuss this issue with anyone in person at the conference. http://nelinux.net :) --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Fri May 12 18:08:37 2006 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp-release conflict with livna-release In-Reply-To: References: <1158.24.2.210.202.1147437631.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <1718.24.2.210.202.1147457317.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> > > As you note, the livna repository is already installed, it is just > disabled by default. > > Edit /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo and change enabled=0 to enabled=1 > > -Eric > Thanks Eric, It worked when enabled. Mark From toddobryan at mac.com Fri May 12 20:07:43 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:07:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT, slightly: loading OS remotely, running locally In-Reply-To: <20060512125601.M84625@winonacotter.org> References: <20060512125601.M84625@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On May 12, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> So, I was thinking, what if I had a central server that wasn't >> responsible for *running* all the programs on the local machines, >> but did serve the OS to them through PXE and hosted a common >> filesystem >> (including /home and /usr). Updates would occur once, students would >> be able to access their files from anywhere in the lab, and I could >> still boot Windows from the hard drive if I needed to. >> >> (I've also thought about setting up an image and having it auto- >> update itself using rsync or something from a central repository as >> a way of automating system updates, but that seems slightly dicier.) > > It sounds like you want something similar to OSX Netboot but > running windows. Actually, I was thinking Linux or something. We don't have a powerful enough server to do thin terminals, but do have machines that are capable of holding their own. I just don't want 30 copies of the OS. (And I don't want any copies of Windows if I don't have to have them.) Todd From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 12 20:32:36 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: <44649039.6070906@maltzen.net> References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445CD047.1080002@maltzen.net> <445D0F21.4050903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445D1A0E.1030507@maltzen.net> <445DE533.2010404@maltzen.net> <445E3330.5080503@maltzen.net> <44649039.6070906@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: >> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> On Sun, 7 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: >>> >>>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 6 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not sure if this is related or not, but I tried to run yum update on >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> 5.0 beta 1 box and got this error: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hmmm, this might be bug #188926 since the gcompris-* packages are in >>>>> both the K12LTSP and the Fedora Extra repositories. >>>>> >>>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=188926 >>>>> >>>>> Try running this command: >>>>> >>>>> yum --disablerepo=extras update >>>>> >>>> Nope, I still get the same error. >>>> >>>> Petre >>>> >>> >>> Hmmm. Ok, first lets make sure that we minimize that this as a yum bug by >>> updating the the latest package: >>> >>> yum install yum >>> >>> Once that is installed, then try updating again: >>> >>> yum clean all >>> yum update >>> >>> If any of these give you an error, can you post the whole output? >>> >>> -Eric >> >> After running 'yum install yum' and 'yum clean all', I'm getting a new error >> when I run 'yum update'. Here's the whole output as requested: >> [root at elk ~]# yum update >> Loading "installonlyn" plugin >> Setting up Update Process >> Setting up repositories >> livna [1/6] >> livna 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >> core [2/6] >> core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 >> k12ltsp [3/6] >> k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 >> updates [4/6] >> updates 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >> webmin [5/6] >> webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >> extras [6/6] >> extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 >> Reading repository metadata in from local files >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 97 kB 00:00 >> livna : ################################################## 295/295 >> Added 295 new packages, deleted 0 old in 11.74 seconds >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 767 kB 00:05 >> core : ################################################## 2207/2207 >> Added 2207 new packages, deleted 0 old in 64.37 seconds >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:35 >> k12ltsp : ################################################## 3455/3455 >> Added 3455 new packages, deleted 0 old in 108.02 seconds >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 313 kB 00:02 >> updates : ################################################## 1000/1000 >> Added 1000 new packages, deleted 0 old in 36.99 seconds >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 969 B 00:00 >> webmin : ################################################## 2/2 >> Added 2 new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.07 seconds >> ftp://mirror.newnanutilities.org/pub/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: >> [Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp error] 421 There are too many connected users, >> please try later. >> Trying other mirror. >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:13 >> http://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: >> [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum >> Trying other mirror. >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 958 kB 00:06 >> ftp://fedora.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core-extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: >> [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum >> Trying other mirror. >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:06 >> http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/fedora.redhat/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: >> [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum >> Trying other mirror. >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:06 >> ftp://fedora.bu.edu/fedora/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] >> Metadata file does not match checksum >> Trying other mirror. >> http://mirror.clarkson.edu/pub/distributions/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: >> [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 17:40:58 GMT >> Server: Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat) >> Content-Length: 352 >> Connection: close >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >> Trying other mirror. >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 00:07 >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: >> [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum >> Trying other mirror. >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 MB 01:22 >> http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: >> [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum >> Trying other mirror. >> Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from extras: [Errno 256] No more >> mirrors to try. >> >> Thanks Eric. >> > I'm still getting this same error. Any suggestions? > > Petre Any chance that you have a caching proxy server? Maybe that cache is stale? Assuming that is the issue, and you can't flush out the proxy cache, I'd try setting up a single FTP repository and try updating off of that. Such as: /etc/yum.repos.d/test.repo [test] name=test baseurl=ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/ gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test enabled=0 gpgcheck=1 and then I'd run: yum --enablerepo=test --disablerepo=updates --disablerepo=k12ltsp --disablerepo=core --disablerepo=extras --disablerepo=webmin --disablerepo=macromedia update -Eric From les at futuresource.com Fri May 12 20:34:55 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:34:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT, slightly: loading OS remotely, running locally In-Reply-To: References: <20060512125601.M84625@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1147466095.12026.54.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 15:07, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > > > It sounds like you want something similar to OSX Netboot but > > running windows. > > Actually, I was thinking Linux or something. We don't have a powerful > enough server to do thin terminals, but do have machines that are > capable of holding their own. I just don't want 30 copies of the OS. > (And I don't want any copies of Windows if I don't have to have them.) Something like this? http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ (I haven't tried it...) -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 12 20:39:09 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:39:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT, slightly: loading OS remotely, running locally In-Reply-To: References: <20060512125601.M84625@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060512203457.M8765@winonacotter.org> > Actually, I was thinking Linux or something. We don't have a > powerful enough server to do thin terminals, but do have machines > that are capable of holding their own. I just don't want 30 copies > of the OS. > (And I don't want any copies of Windows if I don't have to have them.) That sounds more feasible. I thought you still wanted Windows. I don't know the particulars but I think the following might work for you in your lab. I have seen out here users who have made their "gold" linux system image with all the customizations and apps and put a read only copy of the image locally on the machine. So everytime the machine boots it pulls the fresh image from the local hard drive similar to that of a live CD, the user can mess with it all they want but the next reboot puts it back to square one. That wouldn't require a server for the OS but would still allow you to NFS mount /home and authenticate however you want while managing a single image. You could blow the image around with g4u or many other options I have seen mentioned. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 12 20:40:10 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:40:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT, slightly: loading OS remotely, running locally In-Reply-To: <1147466095.12026.54.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20060512125601.M84625@winonacotter.org> <1147466095.12026.54.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20060512203949.M23792@winonacotter.org> > Something like this? > http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ > (I haven't tried it...) That looks cool! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mo_luscre at mogadore.net Fri May 12 22:08:15 2006 From: mo_luscre at mogadore.net (Anthony Luscre) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:08:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen shots, handouts, etc. needed for presentation Message-ID: <4465074F.8090808@mogadore.net> This June, I will be doing 3 presentations on K12LTSP at our state technology group's summer workshops. I have gather material from a number of web sources and my personal experiences over the last 4 years, but would like to get more information from other users. I wil be preparing a small booklet on the subject and will be glad to share the finished product with anyone interested. If you have any presentations, handouts, etc. that you used in the past, please forward them to me (almost any file format is fine). Also I am looking for screen shots or a way to create screen shots of the installation screens. I can capture screen shots once everything is up and running, but not sure how to get them during setup. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Since I always believe in give something when you ask others for something, here are link some of my previous presentation booklets (even though they are not Linux oriented) http://www.mogadore.net/searching, http://www.mogadore.net/spreadsheets, http://www.mogadore.net/ttm (preparing technology training materials), Thanks Anthony -- -----Anthony A. Luscre------ ---Director of Technology--- ---Mogadore Local Schools--- -----Mogadore, Ohio--------- http://www.mogadore.net/tech Visit our Homepage http:/www.mogadore.net Visit our Portal http://www.mogadore.net/portal_pages.html From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 12 22:14:12 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox extensions Message-ID: I have a "second draft" of the K12LTSP client customization kit extension for 5.0.0 beta. There is an updated version of firefox available, you can install that first if you really want to make sure that the "new magic" works ;-) yum install firefox Before making any other modifications, you can see that Java works, the Acrobat plugin works, etc. Now to install the new K12LTSP firefox extension, run: yum install k12ltsp-firefox-extension This will set the homepage to Google, adds bookmarks, set the memory-saving configuration parameters, etc. The bookmarks are a little messed up, but that is easy enough to fix in the next build. All looks great! Now you can test Java to find that.... drum roll please.... It doesn't work. If I do every change by hand, it works. If I compile the changes in or load them as an extension, it breaks. Sigh, enough banging my head against the monitor on this one today. I have not tested the shiny new global XPI extension loader beyond the k12ltsp-firefox-extension. It works for that, likely will work for other extensions. Usage: 1) download an extension (XPI) and save it somewhere, such as /tmp/test.xpi 2) run: /usr/sbin/firefox-extension-loader /tmp/test.xpi 3) restart your browser, click on the Tools menu, then Extensions. You should see the new extension listed. To remove the k12ltsp-firefox-extension, you need to remove the RPM (rpm -e k12ltsp-firefox-extension) AND you need to manually remove the extension directory: rm -rfv /usr/lib/firefox*/extensions/k12ltsp* I'll figure out clean way to make removals work when I get back to working on this... -Eric From ssanders at coin.org Fri May 12 22:36:34 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:36:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen shots, handouts, etc. needed for presentation In-Reply-To: <4465074F.8090808@mogadore.net> References: <4465074F.8090808@mogadore.net> Message-ID: <1147473394.28788.12.camel@bofh.ltsp> The vmware server is now free for Linux and Windows. You should be able to get the vmware server running, then start a K12LTSP install. Since there is an operating system "really" running in the background, you should be able grab screenshots along the way. You have to sign up with a valid email address for them to email you a key. http://vmware.com I created a vmware image to be a client also, it works very well. From robark at gmail.com Sat May 13 05:58:44 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:58:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Video of RMS, Bruce Perens, Mark Shuttleworth Message-ID: Not sure if people have seen this yet. I just found it so I thought I'd post the link. It's from Nov 2005 http://www.apdip.net/news/eventatwsisvdo -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ssanders at coin.org Sat May 13 07:20:46 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 02:20:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen shots, handouts, etc. needed for presentation In-Reply-To: <1147473394.28788.12.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <4465074F.8090808@mogadore.net> <1147473394.28788.12.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <1147504846.28788.16.camel@bofh.ltsp> Sorry, that would be http://www.vmware.com I left out the www in the last post. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat May 13 09:29:45 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 04:29:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: What programming languages are people teaching in K12LTSP environment (Petre Scheie) In-Reply-To: <20060512171919.GB20284@majen.net> References: <20060512130539.2F7AD73019@hormel.redhat.com> <20060512171919.GB20284@majen.net> Message-ID: <9C797154-A616-4D4D-9B64-89523C2021F7@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I know exactly what you mean. My first programming class was a high school qbasic class. But it was taught as a math class by a math teacher, not as part of the business department. I think the math department is better equipped to teach those skills. > Just yesterday, a (non-programmer) math teacher at the high school > where my wife teaches pointed out that the math department, NOT the > business department, is the best place for the computer science > classes in a high school. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkRlpwkACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTKaACfeHkSiCKsubWt/ir2fuCOD3rA A7cAnAjgs1r3GkX4F5HGquOI5xEwoJlo =tLDu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat May 13 11:28:02 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 07:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Video of RMS, Bruce Perens, Mark Shuttleworth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35269.70.33.151.214.1147519682.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> very refreshing to have a video just "work"!!chuck From petre at maltzen.net Sat May 13 21:23:13 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 16:23:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445CD047.1080002@maltzen.net> <445D0F21.4050903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445D1A0E.1030507@maltzen.net> <445DE533.2010404@maltzen.net> <445E3330.5080503@maltzen.net> <44649039.6070906@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44664E41.2080502@maltzen.net> >> I'm still getting this same error. Any suggestions? >> >> Petre > > > Any chance that you have a caching proxy server? Maybe that cache is > stale? > > Assuming that is the issue, and you can't flush out the proxy cache, I'd > try setting up a single FTP repository and try updating off of that. > Such as: > > /etc/yum.repos.d/test.repo > > [test] > name=test > baseurl=ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/ > gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test > enabled=0 > gpgcheck=1 > > > and then I'd run: > > yum --enablerepo=test --disablerepo=updates --disablerepo=k12ltsp > --disablerepo=core --disablerepo=extras --disablerepo=webmin > --disablerepo=macromedia update > > > -Eric > Something has gone wrong with my test server, the one where yum update won't work, such that now clients can't even load a kernel. So, I think I'll bag this whole installation and start over, i.e., re-install the server. The ISO images I have are from beta 1; can I just do an rsync to update them to the latest beta (6?)? What's the syntax to do so? Petre From robert.pogson at gmail.com Sat May 13 21:37:08 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 16:37:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen shots, handouts, etc. needed for presentation In-Reply-To: <20060513160036.A7A7C73226@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060513160036.A7A7C73226@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1147556228.26851.179.camel@beast> On Sat, 2006-13-05 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: Anthony Luscre wrote: > "This June, I will be doing 3 presentations on K12LTSP at our state > technology group's summer workshops. > I have gather material from a number of web sources and my personal > experiences over the last 4 years, but would like to get more > information from other users." Next week, I will be making a presentation to an education authority with a new high school opening in the fall. I will post a link here. About the screen shots. I used the BOCHS ( http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ ) emulator to do that. It did everything but set up the network correctly, so I could not manage a screenshot of that. Warning... BOCHS is much slower than my AMD64. I took hours to do a 20 minute install, but the pictures were worth it. Unfortunately, that was EdUbuntu for a magazine article not yet published. Here is a presentation generally about introducing GNU/Linux and K12LTSP to folks who had never seen it before: http://alicia.home.skyweb.ca/presentation_Jan_2005.sxi It is localized in time and locale but you are free to edit it with OpenOffice. -- A problem is an opportunity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sun May 14 03:00:54 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 21:00:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query [Caveat Emptor] In-Reply-To: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: If I was paying for this product, the title may be appropriate... For the life in me, I cannot get this beta version to properly boot the thin clients (eth0) - the tail commands hangs, and it appears as though there is no DHCP signal being generated... Took off ALL security to no avail... is anybody else having this problem? What should I be looking for? > > > Just installed K12LTSP V5 Beta 6-32 bit (sounds SO impressive) on >a Dell 4600, and tried searching for the correct way to make ALL my >clients boot iceWM... I can't say I have a REAL clear picture of how >to go about it ... > > Alan Hodson >> El Paso ISD, TX >> -=o=- > >I think this works... (untested ;-) > >Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf > >In the [daemon] section, add this line: > > DefaultSession=icewm.desktop > >-Eric This part seems OK - now if I could get the clients to boot... Cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX -=o=- From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sun May 14 03:08:39 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 21:08:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I overheard a lively discussion about trying to block all the proxy sites that network gurus are having to deal with... I am sure glad it's not my job... I am not sure if IPCop and/or Dansguardian are providing the right corks for this overflowing dam... Good luck ALan -=o=- >I've got an IPCop box that all of my students pass through to get to >internet and have been using the Dansgardian plugin for years. My >Principal came to me a few days ago and asked why I've openned up >msn web messenger to the students. This had been blocked for some >time by using the editable phrase, url, and site lists. Now, >several problematic students have figured out how to get msn web >messenger running on their clients again... I've looked at their >history files and just can't figure out how to stop web messenger >and what url they are using to get it going. > >Does anyone here know how to stop webmessenger? > >Thanks, Jim > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From toddobryan at mac.com Sun May 14 03:50:20 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 23:50:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some of my students have figured out how to set up their own web proxies on their home machines. Not very hard if your ISP gives you a static IP address. My guess is that these would be almost impossible to stop completely, but it sure would be nice to know what strategies people use for these kinds of problems. Todd On May 13, 2006, at 11:08 PM, Alan A Hodson wrote: > I overheard a lively discussion about trying to block all the proxy > sites that network gurus are having to deal with... I am sure glad > it's not my job... I am not sure if IPCop and/or Dansguardian are > providing the right corks for this overflowing dam... > Good luck > ALan > -=o=- > > >> I've got an IPCop box that all of my students pass through to get >> to internet and have been using the Dansgardian plugin for years. >> My Principal came to me a few days ago and asked why I've openned >> up msn web messenger to the students. This had been blocked for >> some time by using the editable phrase, url, and site lists. Now, >> several problematic students have figured out how to get msn web >> messenger running on their clients again... I've looked at their >> history files and just can't figure out how to stop web messenger >> and what url they are using to get it going. >> >> Does anyone here know how to stop webmessenger? >> >> Thanks, Jim From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun May 14 05:47:24 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 22:47:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4466C46C.30901@rogueriver.k12.or.us> I've found that communicating the problem to teaching staff helps considerably. Knowing that the students shouldn't be doing helps them considerably when supervising. I'm of the firm position at this point that there's no technological solution to this problem that's going to be very effective. I figure if entire nations spend billions of dollars to filter Internet traffic and fail, we don't stand a chance. The problem is really a social one and is better addressed as such. Mike Todd O'Bryan wrote: > Some of my students have figured out how to set up their own web > proxies on their home machines. Not very hard if your ISP gives you a > static IP address. My guess is that these would be almost impossible to > stop completely, but it sure would be nice to know what strategies > people use for these kinds of problems. > > Todd > > On May 13, 2006, at 11:08 PM, Alan A Hodson wrote: > >> I overheard a lively discussion about trying to block all the proxy >> sites that network gurus are having to deal with... I am sure glad >> it's not my job... I am not sure if IPCop and/or Dansguardian are >> providing the right corks for this overflowing dam... >> Good luck >> ALan >> -=o=- >> >> >>> I've got an IPCop box that all of my students pass through to get to >>> internet and have been using the Dansgardian plugin for years. My >>> Principal came to me a few days ago and asked why I've openned up >>> msn web messenger to the students. This had been blocked for some >>> time by using the editable phrase, url, and site lists. Now, >>> several problematic students have figured out how to get msn web >>> messenger running on their clients again... I've looked at their >>> history files and just can't figure out how to stop web messenger >>> and what url they are using to get it going. >>> >>> Does anyone here know how to stop webmessenger? >>> >>> Thanks, Jim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun May 14 13:58:22 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 06:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060514135822.36089.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 1) You don't need a static IP -- you can get a dynamic dns from dyndns.org and run a program on your home computer such as ddclient that keeps the name resolved to whatever your current IP address is. 2) I think it's actually pretty cool that some of the kids are figuring this stuff out. You should get those kids into more computer classes, if you ask me. Try to get them to use their skills for good instead of evil, so to speak. -Rob --- Todd O'Bryan wrote: > Some of my students have figured out how to set up > their own web > proxies on their home machines. Not very hard if > your ISP gives you a > static IP address. My guess is that these would be > almost impossible > to stop completely, but it sure would be nice to > know what strategies > people use for these kinds of problems. > > Todd > > On May 13, 2006, at 11:08 PM, Alan A Hodson wrote: > > > I overheard a lively discussion about trying to > block all the proxy > > sites that network gurus are having to deal > with... I am sure glad > > it's not my job... I am not sure if IPCop and/or > Dansguardian are > > providing the right corks for this overflowing > dam... > > Good luck > > ALan > > -=o=- > > > > > >> I've got an IPCop box that all of my students > pass through to get > >> to internet and have been using the Dansgardian > plugin for years. > >> My Principal came to me a few days ago and asked > why I've openned > >> up msn web messenger to the students. This had > been blocked for > >> some time by using the editable phrase, url, and > site lists. Now, > >> several problematic students have figured out how > to get msn web > >> messenger running on their clients again... I've > looked at their > >> history files and just can't figure out how to > stop web messenger > >> and what url they are using to get it going. > >> > >> Does anyone here know how to stop webmessenger? > >> > >> Thanks, Jim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun May 14 14:00:09 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query [Caveat Emptor] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060514140009.86714.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are you sure you don't have the network cards reversed? (Only one nic is going to serve dhcp requests--make sure it's the one that's connected to the thin clients) -Rob --- Alan A Hodson wrote: > If I was paying for this product, the title may be > appropriate... > > For the life in me, I cannot get this beta version > to properly boot > the thin clients (eth0) - the tail commands hangs, > and it appears as > though there is no DHCP signal being generated... > Took off ALL > security to no avail... is anybody else having this > problem? What > should I be looking for? > > > > > > > Just installed K12LTSP V5 Beta 6-32 bit (sounds > SO impressive) on > >a Dell 4600, and tried searching for the correct > way to make ALL my > >clients boot iceWM... I can't say I have a REAL > clear picture of how > >to go about it ... > > > Alan Hodson > >> El Paso ISD, TX > >> -=o=- > > > >I think this works... (untested ;-) > > > >Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf > > > >In the [daemon] section, add this line: > > > > DefaultSession=icewm.desktop > > > >-Eric > > This part seems OK - now if I could get the clients > to boot... > Cheers > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun May 14 14:07:30 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 5 status Message-ID: <20060514140730.17064.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is there somewhere I can get a list of existing bugs in K12LTSP beta 5? I know Eric usually fixes the bugs pretty quick, so maybe there are no outstanding bugs. I'm thinking of installing beta 5 on a demo machine but I'm not sure exactly what I'll be getting myself into, since lately I haven't been able to follow this list as closely as I'd like to. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sun May 14 16:29:50 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 10:29:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query [Caveat Emptor] In-Reply-To: <20060514140009.86714.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060514140009.86714.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1147624190.3227.3.camel@HodsonNet1> I am able to use the internet, which I generally use as an indicator that eth1 is seeing the right DNS... the other card is a built in gigabit card that in all other installs acts as eth0... also says i'm ok there. Thanks for the suggestion alan -=o=- On Sun, 2006-05-14 at 07:00 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > Are you sure you don't have the network cards > reversed? (Only one nic is going to serve dhcp > requests--make sure it's the one that's connected to > the thin clients) > > -Rob > > --- Alan A Hodson wrote: > > > If I was paying for this product, the title may be > > appropriate... > > > > For the life in me, I cannot get this beta version > > to properly boot > > the thin clients (eth0) - the tail commands hangs, > > and it appears as > > though there is no DHCP signal being generated... > > Took off ALL > > security to no avail... is anybody else having this > > problem? What > > should I be looking for? > > > > > > > > > > > Just installed K12LTSP V5 Beta 6-32 bit (sounds > > SO impressive) on > > >a Dell 4600, and tried searching for the correct > > way to make ALL my > > >clients boot iceWM... I can't say I have a REAL > > clear picture of how > > >to go about it ... > > > > Alan Hodson > > >> El Paso ISD, TX > > >> -=o=- > > > > > >I think this works... (untested ;-) > > > > > >Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf > > > > > >In the [daemon] section, add this line: > > > > > > DefaultSession=icewm.desktop > > > > > >-Eric > > > > This part seems OK - now if I could get the clients > > to boot... > > Cheers > > Alan Hodson > > El Paso ISD, TX > > -=o=- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Sun May 14 17:35:53 2006 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:35:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem connecting to K12EL4.2 repository In-Reply-To: <44664E41.2080502@maltzen.net> References: <35c1344c0605051350l578eb76ex63c68bd24973d076@mail.gmail.com> <445BBD29.7090103@maltzen.net> <445BE527.2090906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445CD047.1080002@maltzen.net> <445D0F21.4050903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <445D1A0E.1030507@maltzen.net> <445DE533.2010404@maltzen.net> <445E3330.5080503@maltzen.net> <44649039.6070906@maltzen.net> <44664E41.2080502@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44676A79.2080006@physics.isu.edu> > Something has gone wrong with my test server, the one where yum update > won't work, such that now clients can't even load a kernel. So, I think > I'll bag this whole installation and start over, i.e., re-install the > server. The ISO images I have are from beta 1; can I just do an rsync > to update them to the latest beta (6?)? What's the syntax to do so? > > Petre > Petre, Rename (or copy if you want to keep the old ones) all the existing iso's so they have the same filenames as the new ones and then run one of the rsync commands below. Do this from discs 1-6 mv K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA1-32bit-disc1.iso K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6-32bit-disc1.iso (should be on one line) Choose which version of rsync For 32bit rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . Here is a more thorough and more generic explanation from the wiki.. http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/UseRsync Many bytes have changed between beta 1 and 6, but it will still same you some bandwidth and time. Hope this helps, Ben From toddobryan at mac.com Sun May 14 18:14:00 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger In-Reply-To: <20060514135822.36089.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060514135822.36089.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31E3188F-D7C8-4796-A6E0-173818DC9B05@mac.com> On May 14, 2006, at 9:58 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > 1) You don't need a static IP -- you can get a > dynamic dns from dyndns.org and run a program on your > home computer such as ddclient that keeps the name > resolved to whatever your current IP address is. > > 2) I think it's actually pretty cool that some of the > kids are figuring this stuff out. You should get > those kids into more computer classes, if you ask me. > Try to get them to use their skills for good instead > of evil, so to speak. > In a way, that's the most annoying thing. They're not using their skills for evil. They're using them to get to their email account, or to access a web forum on programming (the district blocks all forums and wikis as a matter of policy). Heck, I even found one guy using his home proxy to access wxpython.sourceforge.net so he could read documentation about a GUI program he was writing. (They had blocked sourceforge as a "File Sharing" site.) I explained that we could request they unblock the site and told him to let me know when sites he needed were blocked instead of taking matters into his own hands, but I can understand their frustration. The problem comes in when they stop by MySpace or some other inappropriate spot on the way to something educational. Todd From robark at gmail.com Sun May 14 19:14:42 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 12:14:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5 Pirut replaces system-config-packages Message-ID: How does one instruct pirut to grab the rpm's from the installation cdrom's instead of downloading everything? system-config-packages use to just prompt for the cd's. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sun May 14 21:09:11 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:09:11 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] usb printer troubleshooting Message-ID: <1147640952.19412.24.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Hope ya all had a good weekend. I know this subject has been rehashed a zillion times ,but I'm stumped. Thats why I m here:). Would someone be able to give me a new angle on how to troubleshoot local usb attached printers. All of a sudden now none of the usb attached printers will work on any of the clients. Only thing i've changed recently is I added the hplip package to all of our servers, but I DO know these printers did work for a many weeks after installing this package. The same client machines with the printers attached to them will still print to our networked printers( HP 4100's). I can telnet to each of these printers( locally attached), fine, but when i type some stuff in a terminal and do the CTL-C or whatever it is to spit the page out nothing happens. If i use the cups admin web GUI the printers all show "accepting jobs". I've reread the ltsp wiki on this and I m not sure what has happened to kill the lpr or whatever to these printers. If i do a modprobe printer at a terminal as user joe schmoe should i see the locally attached printer, I'm guessing hp932c or similar? Not sure on this? also the same for lsmod? When the client machines bootup I am seeing the printer as a usblp0 or something similar so my connections are good ( I think). I'm thinking i should be able to simply do a : telnet terminalipaddress 9100 then i see the connected to ^^^^ start typing some stuff in a terminal then press CTL-C( cant remember second hotkey), and i should have text on the page? I'm probably missing something here , in this combo:). Ive always used the redhat-config-printer gui to add the printers to these machines using the jetdirect protocol. I just last week tried just the socket://ws005:9100 as well in the CUPS web GUI, still no joy. K12LTSP v 4.1.1 Any info/comments/laughs/i told you so's appreciated. Barry Cisna From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sun May 14 22:58:19 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:58:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query [Caveat Emptor] In-Reply-To: References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> I also have had massive difficulties getting the DHCP on the latest 5.0.0 to run stable. I have tried beta 1, 4 and 5. It seemed as though (for some unknown reason to me) that if there was one little mistake or glitch in the dhcp.conf ... there was NO way I could get the dhcp to run after that. A "simple" reinstall fixed that issue for me a couple of times. I finally have a beta5 setup working .... now if only it hold together long enough for me to demo this a major tech get-together on May 19th!!! The dhcp is suspect in my mind in this latest Fedora 5 ... nothing to prove or substantiate it other than hours of kicking at it to get dhcp to work stable and consistently. Joe Guenther Alan A Hodson wrote: > If I was paying for this product, the title may be appropriate... > > For the life in me, I cannot get this beta version to properly boot > the thin clients (eth0) - the tail commands hangs, and it appears as > though there is no DHCP signal being generated... Took off ALL > security to no avail... is anybody else having this problem? What > should I be looking for? > > >> >> > Just installed K12LTSP V5 Beta 6-32 bit (sounds SO impressive) on >> a Dell 4600, and tried searching for the correct way to make ALL my >> clients boot iceWM... I can't say I have a REAL clear picture of how >> to go about it ... >> > Alan Hodson >>> El Paso ISD, TX >>> -=o=- >> >> I think this works... (untested ;-) >> >> Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf >> >> In the [daemon] section, add this line: >> >> DefaultSession=icewm.desktop >> >> -Eric > > This part seems OK - now if I could get the clients to boot... > Cheers > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:44669e37151912787611067! > From sbarar at gmail.com Mon May 15 01:07:53 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 06:37:53 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] usb printer troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <1147640952.19412.24.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> References: <1147640952.19412.24.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <774593a20605141807n6f93d873sa81b72ecda210f96@mail.gmail.com> On 15/05/06, Barry R Cisna wrote: > telnet terminalipaddress 9100 > then i see the connected to ^^^^ > start typing some stuff in a terminal then press CTL-C( cant remember > second hotkey), and i should have text on the page? I'm probably missing > something here , in this combo:). IMHO try "cat filename > lpr -P printername" Even in shell you are conected to server and all comands have to be based on path thru server. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jam at mcquil.com Mon May 15 01:15:12 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:15:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] usb printer troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <774593a20605141807n6f93d873sa81b72ecda210f96@mail.gmail.com> References: <1147640952.19412.24.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> <774593a20605141807n6f93d873sa81b72ecda210f96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4467D620.5060507@McQuil.com> Sudev Barar wrote: > On 15/05/06, Barry R Cisna wrote: >> telnet terminalipaddress 9100 >> then i see the connected to ^^^^ >> start typing some stuff in a terminal then press CTL-C( cant remember >> second hotkey), and i should have text on the page? I'm probably missing >> something here , in this combo:). > > IMHO try "cat filename > lpr -P printername" No, I really think you mean '|' instead of '>'. The example given above will result in a file in the current directory named 'lpr'. It should be like this: cat filename | lpr -P printername Or: lpr -P printername filename No need to involve an additional process (cat). Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > Even in shell you are conected to server and all comands have to be > based on path thru server. > > HTH From sbarar at gmail.com Mon May 15 03:10:22 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:40:22 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] usb printer troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <4467D620.5060507@McQuil.com> References: <1147640952.19412.24.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> <774593a20605141807n6f93d873sa81b72ecda210f96@mail.gmail.com> <4467D620.5060507@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <774593a20605142010i7d1bc905wd9354694b3754891@mail.gmail.com> On 15/05/06, Jim McQuillan wrote: > No, I really think you mean '|' instead of '>'. > yep my mistake. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From veewee77 at alltel.net Mon May 15 11:48:11 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 06:48:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing heqq In-Reply-To: <44642163.6030409@paalalinn.com> References: <4463260B.1010407@alltel.net> <44642163.6030409@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <44686A7B.7080601@alltel.net> This didn't have any effect on this printer. Frustrating. .. . I worry everytime I attempt to rint anything because if that thing jams, it is weeks before I get it working again. . . And after doing so much stuff, I never know exactly what it is that gets it going again. Doug Olle Niit wrote: > For startingi paused printer again after paper out error I have little > script, whitch I run every minute in my school. > > > The script is there, save it as /root/startagain.sh: > >#!/bin/bash >/usr/bin/enable `/usr/bin/lpstat -p | /bin/grep disabled | /usr/bin/cut -f 2 -d " "` > > > You must make it executable, so this command is *chmod +x > /root/startagain.sh* > > And with *crontab -u root -e* write this line: > >0-59 * * * * /root/startagain.sh > > > It executables then once per minute shis script. If printer is paused, > then enables it again > > > Answer to the second question: > After deleting files from /var/spool/squid (and not the tmp directory) > you must restart cups: > service cups restart > > This link is to page in estonian but blue lines and bold text are > english commands anyway. > http://www.vvpk.vil.ee/linux/index.php?artikli_id=17&nupu_nimipealkirjas=Printer > > Olle Niit > > > Doug Simpson wrote: > >> I have several servers running FCx and I have a few questions about >> printing. >> >> First off, where can I find the files it spools to be printed? >> >> I looked in /var/spool/cups and find files in there and delete them, >> but they remain in the print manager and eventually say aborted. >> Where else are they? >> >> Using cups. >> >> Another thing that hapens is if a print job gets jammed and/or the >> printer goes offline for any reason, it jams up the print processes >> and nothing I do seems to be able to get the printer back to working. >> The last time this happened it took me two weeks to get it to work >> again and I can't remember what I did to fix it. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks > Olle Niit wrote: > >> For startingi paused printer again after paper out error I have >> little script, whitch I run every minute in my school. >> >> >> The script is there, save it as /root/startagain.sh: >> >>#!/bin/bash >>/usr/bin/enable `/usr/bin/lpstat -p | /bin/grep disabled | /usr/bin/cut -f 2 -d " "` >> >> >> You must make it executable, so this command is *chmod +x >> /root/startagain.sh* >> >> And with *crontab -u root -e* write this line: >> >>0-59 * * * * /root/startagain.sh >> >> >> It executables then once per minute shis script. If printer is >> paused, then enables it again >> >> >> Answer to the second question: >> After deleting files from /var/spool/squid (and not the tmp >> directory) you must restart cups: >> service cups restart >> >> This link is to page in estonian but blue lines and bold text are >> english commands anyway. >> http://www.vvpk.vil.ee/linux/index.php?artikli_id=17&nupu_nimipealkirjas=Printer >> >> Olle Niit >> >> >> Doug Simpson wrote: >> >>> I have several servers running FCx and I have a few questions about >>> printing. >>> >>> First off, where can I find the files it spools to be printed? >>> >>> I looked in /var/spool/cups and find files in there and delete them, >>> but they remain in the print manager and eventually say aborted. >>> Where else are they? >>> >>> Using cups. >>> >>> Another thing that hapens is if a print job gets jammed and/or the >>> printer goes offline for any reason, it jams up the print processes >>> and nothing I do seems to be able to get the printer back to >>> working. The last time this happened it took me two weeks to get it >>> to work again and I can't remember what I did to fix it. >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon May 15 11:35:33 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 06:35:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] usb printer troubleshooting Message-ID: <1147692933.14077.6.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello Sudev & Jim OK, I guess i'm a little slow. I don't quite understand what I should be seeing here? if i have a text file named "dog" and i send this to local printer "printer1" I should after sending the print job, type in a terminal the following:? lpr -P printername filename lpr -P printer1 dog is this correct? if this correct syntax what should i be seeing thereafter? Also if i do a ' ps ax | grep lpr' i get nothing returned, i'm guessing this is an xinetd process that will not show up through ps? What about doing the telnet to the printer then typing in a terminal directly to the printer?I guess i need a : step1. step2. step3. duh me.. Thanks for the help. Barry Cisna From webmaster at vol.org Mon May 15 13:18:25 2006 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:18:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What programming languages are people teaching in K12LTSP environment In-Reply-To: <44634222.7070208@maltzen.net> References: <44634222.7070208@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1147699105.2376.3.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 08:54, Petre Scheie wrote: > My question is what programming classes are people giving using their LTSP environments? I use UCBLogo to teach Logo to 7th grade students. I use the instant feedback of turtle graphics to get them interested and then teach them to solve problems by writing small programs. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org This message has been scanned by the Internet Service Departments Virus/Spam filter. From sbarar at gmail.com Mon May 15 15:18:19 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:48:19 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] usb printer troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <1147692933.14077.6.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1147692933.14077.6.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <774593a20605150818w1444b767x9d56e8eb4ca3355b@mail.gmail.com> On 15/05/06, Barry Cisna wrote: > seeing here? if i have a text file named "dog" and i send this to local > printer "printer1" I should after sending the print job, type in a > terminal the following:? > lpr -P printername filename > lpr -P printer1 dog > If you have already sent the file to print throught editor then nothing. However if you already have a file that you want to print you need not open the same in editor and then give print command. You can: $cat |lpr -P OR $lpr -P > if this correct syntax what should i be seeing thereafter? Nothing. If all's well you will see command prompt "$" or whatever. AT command line you can see the rpint queue by: $lpq -P -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon May 15 16:14:48 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:14:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query [Caveat Emptor] In-Reply-To: <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Interesting. I've beat up DHCP on my test installs and have not seen a problem. What exactly were you trying to change? Also, did you guys do fresh installs or upgrades? -Eric Joe Guenther wrote: > I also have had massive difficulties getting the DHCP on the latest > 5.0.0 to run stable. I have tried beta 1, 4 and 5. It seemed as though > (for some unknown reason to me) that if there was one little mistake or > glitch in the dhcp.conf ... there was NO way I could get the dhcp to run > after that. A "simple" reinstall fixed that issue for me a couple of > times. I finally have a beta5 setup working .... now if only it hold > together long enough for me to demo this a major tech get-together on > May 19th!!! The dhcp is suspect in my mind in this latest Fedora 5 ... > nothing to prove or substantiate it other than hours of kicking at it to > get dhcp to work stable and consistently. > > Joe Guenther > > Alan A Hodson wrote: >> If I was paying for this product, the title may be appropriate... >> >> For the life in me, I cannot get this beta version to properly boot >> the thin clients (eth0) - the tail commands hangs, and it appears as >> though there is no DHCP signal being generated... Took off ALL >> security to no avail... is anybody else having this problem? What >> should I be looking for? >> >> >>> >>> > Just installed K12LTSP V5 Beta 6-32 bit (sounds SO impressive) on >>> a Dell 4600, and tried searching for the correct way to make ALL my >>> clients boot iceWM... I can't say I have a REAL clear picture of how >>> to go about it ... >>> > Alan Hodson >>>> El Paso ISD, TX >>>> -=o=- >>> >>> I think this works... (untested ;-) >>> >>> Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf >>> >>> In the [daemon] section, add this line: >>> >>> DefaultSession=icewm.desktop >>> >>> -Eric >> >> This part seems OK - now if I could get the clients to boot... >> Cheers >> Alan Hodson >> El Paso ISD, TX >> -=o=- >> From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon May 15 16:23:27 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:23:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 5 status In-Reply-To: <20060514140730.17064.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060514140730.17064.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4468AAFF.2060709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Rob Owens wrote: > Is there somewhere I can get a list of existing bugs > in K12LTSP beta 5? I know Eric usually fixes the bugs > pretty quick, so maybe there are no outstanding bugs. > > > I'm thinking of installing beta 5 on a demo machine > but I'm not sure exactly what I'll be getting myself > into, since lately I haven't been able to follow this > list as closely as I'd like to. > > -Rob > I'm currently working on two big show-stoppers: 1) Modifications to Firefox (change home page, book marks, etc) breaks some plugins, including Java and Adobe Acrobat. 2) At least one application (gnome-settings-daemon) causes the X server on the terminal to crash. -Eric From ahodson at elp.rr.com Mon May 15 16:55:13 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:55:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query [Caveat Emptor] In-Reply-To: <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Mine was a fresh install, and in the old install (4.4.1) eth0 was working fine... cheers alan -=o=- ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Harrison Date: Monday, May 15, 2006 10:19 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query [Caveat Emptor] To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Interesting. I've beat up DHCP on my test installs and have not > seen a > problem. > > What exactly were you trying to change? > > Also, did you guys do fresh installs or upgrades? > > -Eric > > Joe Guenther wrote: > > I also have had massive difficulties getting the DHCP on the latest > > 5.0.0 to run stable. I have tried beta 1, 4 and 5. It seemed as > though> (for some unknown reason to me) that if there was one > little mistake or > > glitch in the dhcp.conf ... there was NO way I could get the dhcp > to run > > after that. A "simple" reinstall fixed that issue for me a > couple of > > times. I finally have a beta5 setup working .... now if only it > hold> together long enough for me to demo this a major tech get- > together on > > May 19th!!! The dhcp is suspect in my mind in this latest Fedora > 5 ... > > nothing to prove or substantiate it other than hours of kicking > at it to > > get dhcp to work stable and consistently. > > > > Joe Guenther > > > > Alan A Hodson wrote: > >> If I was paying for this product, the title may be appropriate... > >> > >> For the life in me, I cannot get this beta version to properly boot > >> the thin clients (eth0) - the tail commands hangs, and it > appears as > >> though there is no DHCP signal being generated... Took off ALL > >> security to no avail... is anybody else having this problem? What > >> should I be looking for? > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > Just installed K12LTSP V5 Beta 6-32 bit (sounds SO > impressive) on > >>> a Dell 4600, and tried searching for the correct way to make > ALL my > >>> clients boot iceWM... I can't say I have a REAL clear picture > of how > >>> to go about it ... > >>> > Alan Hodson > >>>> El Paso ISD, TX > >>>> -=o=- > >>> > >>> I think this works... (untested ;-) > >>> > >>> Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf > >>> > >>> In the [daemon] section, add this line: > >>> > >>> DefaultSession=icewm.desktop > >>> > >>> -Eric > >> > >> This part seems OK - now if I could get the clients to boot... > >> Cheers > >> Alan Hodson > >> El Paso ISD, TX > >> -=o=- > >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From johnny at msad41.us Mon May 15 17:35:55 2006 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:35:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query [Caveat Emptor] In-Reply-To: <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1147714555.4468bbfb937ab@www.msad41.us> Hello Eric, Just jumping in here...I couldn't boot either pc or ppc clients until I shut off the firewall (I disabled selinux on the install)...The process would hang on the "tftp" part of the boot process....I did a straight K12LTSP install and nothing else...not sure why it's affecting the K12 side of the networking but apparently is.....eth0 and eth1 are on the correct cards and I don't recall having any problems with card recognition after the install.... Anyhow, after shutting off the firewall all clients are booting fine except my Ibooks need the xserver specified...hope this helps...J Quoting Eric Harrison : > > Interesting. I've beat up DHCP on my test installs and have not seen a > problem. > > What exactly were you trying to change? > > Also, did you guys do fresh installs or upgrades? > > -Eric > > Joe Guenther wrote: > > I also have had massive difficulties getting the DHCP on the latest > > 5.0.0 to run stable. I have tried beta 1, 4 and 5. It seemed as though > > (for some unknown reason to me) that if there was one little mistake or > > glitch in the dhcp.conf ... there was NO way I could get the dhcp to run > > after that. A "simple" reinstall fixed that issue for me a couple of > > times. I finally have a beta5 setup working .... now if only it hold > > together long enough for me to demo this a major tech get-together on > > May 19th!!! The dhcp is suspect in my mind in this latest Fedora 5 ... > > nothing to prove or substantiate it other than hours of kicking at it to > > get dhcp to work stable and consistently. > > > > Joe Guenther > > > > Alan A Hodson wrote: > >> If I was paying for this product, the title may be appropriate... > >> > >> For the life in me, I cannot get this beta version to properly boot > >> the thin clients (eth0) - the tail commands hangs, and it appears as > >> though there is no DHCP signal being generated... Took off ALL > >> security to no avail... is anybody else having this problem? What > >> should I be looking for? > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > Just installed K12LTSP V5 Beta 6-32 bit (sounds SO impressive) on > >>> a Dell 4600, and tried searching for the correct way to make ALL my > >>> clients boot iceWM... I can't say I have a REAL clear picture of how > >>> to go about it ... > >>> > Alan Hodson > >>>> El Paso ISD, TX > >>>> -=o=- > >>> > >>> I think this works... (untested ;-) > >>> > >>> Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf > >>> > >>> In the [daemon] section, add this line: > >>> > >>> DefaultSession=icewm.desktop > >>> > >>> -Eric > >> > >> This part seems OK - now if I could get the clients to boot... > >> Cheers > >> Alan Hodson > >> El Paso ISD, TX > >> -=o=- > >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon May 15 18:20:01 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:20:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4468C651.7010006@mesd.k12.or.us> Todd O'Bryan wrote: > Some of my students have figured out how to set up their own web proxies > on their home machines. Not very hard if your ISP gives you a static IP > address. My guess is that these would be almost impossible to stop > completely, but it sure would be nice to know what strategies people use > for these kinds of problems. Some proxies are obscuring sub-URLs, using myspace as an example: zlfcnpr - myspace; ROT13 bXlzcGFjZ - myspace; base64, not padded* 15c3BhY2 - myspace; base64, padded w/ 1 char* teXNwYWNl - myspace; base64, padded w/ 2 char* This should reveal those: egrep '(zlfcnpr|bXlzcGFjZ|15c3BhY2|teXNwYWNl)' \ /var/log/squid/access.log * The base64 encoded versions are approximate; they may match on 'myspacf', etc. You can use openssl to play around with encoding: [dyoung at ltsp ~]$ echo myspace | openssl base64 bXlzcGFjZQo= [dyoung at ltsp ~]$ echo myspacea | openssl base64 bXlzcGFjZWEK [dyoung at ltsp ~]$ echo amyspacea | openssl base64 YW15c3BhY2VhCg== [dyoung at ltsp ~]$ echo /myspace/ | openssl base64 L215c3BhY2UvCg== Or decoding: [dyoung at ltsp ~]$ echo aHR0cDovL211c2ljcGxheWVyLm15c3BhY2UuY29t | \ > openssl base64 -d; echo http://musicplayer.myspace.com -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From william at fragakis.com Mon May 15 18:59:33 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:59:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What programming languages are people teaching in K12LTSP environment In-Reply-To: <20060512130539.47F647301E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060512130539.47F647301E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1147719573.9714.131.camel@server.ltsp> http://www.osflash.org/ http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ you were risking being pedantic ;-) (just teasing) wf On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 09:05 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:36:44 -0600 > From: "Calvin Dodge" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] What programming languages are people teaching > in K12LTSP environment > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: > <824a5f7a0605111136p2b87fc44m96e3006a2ea33942 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 5/11/06, William Fragakis wrote: > > That's about how much it's ended up costing to K12LTSP our whole > school. > > > > Flash would be the bug-a-boo but it sounds like they are doing some > web > > stuff so if the OSS version of Flash works for you, add php and > mysql > > (of course, not a language per se) into the mix. > > At the risk of sounding pedantic, Flash isn't OSS. 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URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon May 15 19:57:13 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Transferring user accounts In-Reply-To: <003301c67856$e892c050$6405a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> References: <003301c67856$e892c050$6405a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> Message-ID: <30889.169.244.70.148.1147723033.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> it sounds likenot finding a homedir...dont suppose id someuser might help you track it down..comparing to perms of homedir?chuck From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon May 15 20:25:35 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:25:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query [Caveat Emptor] In-Reply-To: <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4468E3BF.7040503@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon May 15 20:32:47 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:32:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger In-Reply-To: <4466C46C.30901@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <4466C46C.30901@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4468E56F.8010902@chinooksedge.ab.ca> You are exactly right on that! Supervision is the key to this battle. And that brings it back to the core issue. The core issue is not the chat content (as it would be the content of playboy.com) but the waste of time. Thus teachers need to deal with this waste of time, just like they do other time wasters in the classroom. This is not a technical issue, it is a social issue as you state. But besides that we have gone from using IPcop with DansGuardian to Astaro Security (www.astaro.com) which uses a far more sophisticated filter . http://www.iss.net/products_services/webfilter/ It used to be known as cobion www.cobion.com That together with some neat packet filter rules, snort packet detection, allows us to be a bit more thorough in those cases where we need to be. Joe Guenther Mike Ely wrote: > I've found that communicating the problem to teaching staff helps > considerably. Knowing that the students shouldn't be doing helps them > considerably when supervising. > > I'm of the firm position at this point that there's no technological > solution to this problem that's going to be very effective. I figure > if entire nations spend billions of dollars to filter Internet traffic > and fail, we don't stand a chance. The problem is really a social one > and is better addressed as such. > > Mike > > Todd O'Bryan wrote: >> Some of my students have figured out how to set up their own web >> proxies on their home machines. Not very hard if your ISP gives you >> a static IP address. My guess is that these would be almost >> impossible to stop completely, but it sure would be nice to know >> what strategies people use for these kinds of problems. >> >> Todd >> >> On May 13, 2006, at 11:08 PM, Alan A Hodson wrote: >> >>> I overheard a lively discussion about trying to block all the proxy >>> sites that network gurus are having to deal with... I am sure glad >>> it's not my job... I am not sure if IPCop and/or Dansguardian are >>> providing the right corks for this overflowing dam... >>> Good luck >>> ALan >>> -=o=- >>> >>> >>>> I've got an IPCop box that all of my students pass through to get >>>> to internet and have been using the Dansgardian plugin for years. >>>> My Principal came to me a few days ago and asked why I've openned >>>> up msn web messenger to the students. This had been blocked for >>>> some time by using the editable phrase, url, and site lists. Now, >>>> several problematic students have figured out how to get msn web >>>> messenger running on their clients again... I've looked at their >>>> history files and just can't figure out how to stop web messenger >>>> and what url they are using to get it going. >>>> >>>> Does anyone here know how to stop webmessenger? >>>> >>>> Thanks, Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:4466c540247091474114371! > > From veewee77 at alltel.net Mon May 15 22:11:06 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:11:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Transferring user accounts In-Reply-To: <003301c67856$e892c050$6405a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> References: <003301c67856$e892c050$6405a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> Message-ID: <4468FC7A.6000601@alltel.net> How did you "copy" the stuff? If you just set up the users on the new server and copied their data over, if the user IDs and group IDs aren't the same as they were and if the user's directories and folders aren't assigned to the correct users, this causes much grief. Doug Barry Van Gurp wrote: > Good day, > > I'm having an time transferring user accounts to a different server. > Copied all the files appropriate, but when attempting to login, keep > getting the message about 10 second and the login screen reappears. > > Have attempted to find via "Howto", but search isn't coming up with > anything that would assist. Can anyone direct me to a location that > would provide assistance? > > Barry Van Gurp > MSAD #31, Howland > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon May 15 22:58:17 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 5 status In-Reply-To: <4468AAFF.2060709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060515225817.36987.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info. Sounds like it's good enough for me to try. My original question still stands, however. Is there some webpage I can look at to check on the status of the beta, so I don't have to ask on the list? Or is asking on the list the best bet right now? Thanks for all your hard work, Eric. -Rob --- Eric Harrison wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > > Is there somewhere I can get a list of existing > bugs > > in K12LTSP beta 5? I know Eric usually fixes the > bugs > > pretty quick, so maybe there are no outstanding > bugs. > > > > > > I'm thinking of installing beta 5 on a demo > machine > > but I'm not sure exactly what I'll be getting > myself > > into, since lately I haven't been able to follow > this > > list as closely as I'd like to. > > > > -Rob > > > > > I'm currently working on two big show-stoppers: > > 1) Modifications to Firefox (change home page, book > marks, etc) breaks > some plugins, including Java and Adobe Acrobat. > > 2) At least one application (gnome-settings-daemon) > causes the X server > on the terminal to crash. > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon May 15 23:04:10 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger In-Reply-To: <31E3188F-D7C8-4796-A6E0-173818DC9B05@mac.com> Message-ID: <20060515230410.41054.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Todd O'Bryan wrote: > On May 14, 2006, at 9:58 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > > > 1) You don't need a static IP -- you can get a > > dynamic dns from dyndns.org and run a program on > your > > home computer such as ddclient that keeps the name > > resolved to whatever your current IP address is. > > > > 2) I think it's actually pretty cool that some of > the > > kids are figuring this stuff out. You should get > > those kids into more computer classes, if you ask > me. > > Try to get them to use their skills for good > instead > > of evil, so to speak. > > > > In a way, that's the most annoying thing. They're > not using their > skills for evil. They're using them to get to their > email account, or > to access a web forum on programming (the district > blocks all forums > and wikis as a matter of policy). Heck, I even found > one guy using > his home proxy to access wxpython.sourceforge.net so > he could read > documentation about a GUI program he was writing. > (They had blocked > sourceforge as a "File Sharing" site.) I explained > that we could > request they unblock the site and told him to let me > know when sites > he needed were blocked instead of taking matters > into his own hands, > but I can understand their frustration. > > The problem comes in when they stop by MySpace or > some other > inappropriate spot on the way to something > educational. > > Todd Sometimes it's the thrill of getting away with something that drives people's creativity. (Kind of like me running my car on waste cooking oil -- part of my policy of sticking it to the man). I guess you just have to enforce punishments for going to the inappropriate sites and accept the fact that you can't stop them with technology--you've gotta stop them with good old fashioned threats! Good luck! -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon May 15 23:08:59 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] network install from RPMS? Message-ID: <20060515230859.63836.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know you can do a network install using the iso files. Can you do a network install using the RPMS? It would be nice to be able to use the same set of files for both a local repository and for network installs. Thanks -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Mon May 15 23:25:40 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:25:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] network install from RPMS? In-Reply-To: <20060515230859.63836.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060515230859.63836.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44690DF4.7020502@rogueriver.k12.or.us> I know SuSE has the ability to setup a network install repository - in fact, I rely upon it. Since RedHat is not so different from SuSE architecturally, I can't see why it wouldn't. Mike Rob Owens wrote: > I know you can do a network install using the iso > files. Can you do a network install using the RPMS? > It would be nice to be able to use the same set of > files for both a local repository and for network > installs. > > Thanks > > -Rob > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Mon May 15 23:36:17 2006 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:36:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] network install from RPMS? In-Reply-To: <20060515230859.63836.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060515230859.63836.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44691071.8010203@physics.isu.edu> Rob Owens wrote: >I know you can do a network install using the iso >files. Can you do a network install using the RPMS? >It would be nice to be able to use the same set of >files for both a local repository and for network >installs. > >Thanks > >-Rob > > > Yes you can.. at least in previous versions You either need to extract the RPMs off the CD's or mirror a network repository. (using rsync or something similar) If you are running apache, and but the files in a directory under it's document root, (usually /var/www/html) you can do a http install from there. You can also do installs via ftp, but it has been since redhat 6 since I've done that, so the memory is fuzzy. That might get you started. I can give more specific instructions or dig up some links tomorrow if that is not enough. Best Regards, Ben From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue May 16 01:17:16 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:17:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Transferring user accounts Message-ID: <1147742236.12915.11.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hello Barry, The easiest way I've found to transfer user accounts,is to use Webmin. if you are unfamiliar with webmin it will be a chore the first few times to export your users from your current server , then transfer this file via rsync to your new server,then import them via webmin in your new server. It would probably be worth your time to learn how to transfer users this way ,in the long run. You will still have your user ID #'s etc, but lots of times the users will end up in the wrong secondary groups if you have them assigned such,,after transfering them via webmin. Ive never figured out how to straighten this out, myself? The situation you are in now i would simply rename your group/passwd/shadow/gshadow/ files to ---orig,then do the Webmin import method and I m sure you'll be logging in with your users from your old server. Hope this helps a little. Barry Cisna From petre at maltzen.net Tue May 16 02:50:01 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:50:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query [Caveat Emptor] In-Reply-To: <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44693DD9.1010003@maltzen.net> My two cents: I'm not sure if mine is a dhcp problem, but my Beta1 test server was working week or so ago. It's on the same subnet as my production server, so when I want to work on the new version, I turn off dhcpd on the production box, turn on dhcpd on the test server, and then boot whatever clients I'm testing with. I did this the other day, but all my clients hang at the point where they try to load the kernel. xinetd is running, which I believe is what launches tftpd for passing the kernel to the client. I've got one client with an i810 video which has never fully booted. I think i810 problems were fixed in a later beta, so I'm just going to re-install. Petre Eric Harrison wrote: > Interesting. I've beat up DHCP on my test installs and have not seen a > problem. > > What exactly were you trying to change? > > Also, did you guys do fresh installs or upgrades? > > -Eric > > Joe Guenther wrote: > >>I also have had massive difficulties getting the DHCP on the latest >>5.0.0 to run stable. I have tried beta 1, 4 and 5. It seemed as though >>(for some unknown reason to me) that if there was one little mistake or >>glitch in the dhcp.conf ... there was NO way I could get the dhcp to run >>after that. A "simple" reinstall fixed that issue for me a couple of >>times. I finally have a beta5 setup working .... now if only it hold >>together long enough for me to demo this a major tech get-together on >>May 19th!!! The dhcp is suspect in my mind in this latest Fedora 5 ... >>nothing to prove or substantiate it other than hours of kicking at it to >>get dhcp to work stable and consistently. >> >>Joe Guenther >> >>Alan A Hodson wrote: >> >>>If I was paying for this product, the title may be appropriate... >>> >>>For the life in me, I cannot get this beta version to properly boot >>>the thin clients (eth0) - the tail commands hangs, and it appears as >>>though there is no DHCP signal being generated... Took off ALL >>>security to no avail... is anybody else having this problem? What >>>should I be looking for? >>> >>> >>> >>>> > Just installed K12LTSP V5 Beta 6-32 bit (sounds SO impressive) on >>>>a Dell 4600, and tried searching for the correct way to make ALL my >>>>clients boot iceWM... I can't say I have a REAL clear picture of how >>>>to go about it ... >>>> > Alan Hodson >>>> >>>>> El Paso ISD, TX >>>>> -=o=- >>>> >>>>I think this works... (untested ;-) >>>> >>>>Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf >>>> >>>>In the [daemon] section, add this line: >>>> >>>> DefaultSession=icewm.desktop >>>> >>>>-Eric >>> >>>This part seems OK - now if I could get the clients to boot... >>>Cheers >>>Alan Hodson >>>El Paso ISD, TX >>>-=o=- >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 16 05:27:40 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query [Caveat Emptor] In-Reply-To: <44693DD9.1010003@maltzen.net> References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44693DD9.1010003@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > My two cents: I'm not sure if mine is a dhcp problem, but my Beta1 test server > was working week or so ago. It's on the same subnet as my production server, > so when I want to work on the new version, I turn off dhcpd on the production > box, turn on dhcpd on the test server, and then boot whatever clients I'm > testing with. I did this the other day, but all my clients hang at the point > where they try to load the kernel. xinetd is running, which I believe is what > launches tftpd for passing the kernel to the client. Sounds like a bug that has already been fixed: yum install dhcp-ltsp-config or you can edit /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf and add this line towards the top of the file: (changing 192.168.0.254 to your server's IP address, if that is different, of course) next-server 192.168.0.254; > I've got one client with an i810 video which has never fully booted. I think > i810 problems were fixed in a later beta, so I'm just going to re-install. As far as I know, the i810 video problems are fixed in the latest version. If there is someone lurking that has an i810 terminal that still won't boot, please speak up ;-) -Eric > Petre > > Eric Harrison wrote: >> Interesting. I've beat up DHCP on my test installs and have not seen a >> problem. >> >> What exactly were you trying to change? >> >> Also, did you guys do fresh installs or upgrades? >> >> -Eric >> >> Joe Guenther wrote: >> >>> I also have had massive difficulties getting the DHCP on the latest >>> 5.0.0 to run stable. I have tried beta 1, 4 and 5. It seemed as though >>> (for some unknown reason to me) that if there was one little mistake or >>> glitch in the dhcp.conf ... there was NO way I could get the dhcp to run >>> after that. A "simple" reinstall fixed that issue for me a couple of >>> times. I finally have a beta5 setup working .... now if only it hold >>> together long enough for me to demo this a major tech get-together on >>> May 19th!!! The dhcp is suspect in my mind in this latest Fedora 5 ... >>> nothing to prove or substantiate it other than hours of kicking at it to >>> get dhcp to work stable and consistently. >>> >>> Joe Guenther >>> >>> Alan A Hodson wrote: >>> >>>> If I was paying for this product, the title may be appropriate... >>>> >>>> For the life in me, I cannot get this beta version to properly boot >>>> the thin clients (eth0) - the tail commands hangs, and it appears as >>>> though there is no DHCP signal being generated... Took off ALL >>>> security to no avail... is anybody else having this problem? What >>>> should I be looking for? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> > Just installed K12LTSP V5 Beta 6-32 bit (sounds SO impressive) on >>>>> a Dell 4600, and tried searching for the correct way to make ALL my >>>>> clients boot iceWM... I can't say I have a REAL clear picture of how >>>>> to go about it ... >>>>> > Alan Hodson >>>>> >>>>>> El Paso ISD, TX >>>>>> -=o=- >>>>> >>>>> I think this works... (untested ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf >>>>> >>>>> In the [daemon] section, add this line: >>>>> >>>>> DefaultSession=icewm.desktop >>>>> >>>>> -Eric >>>> >>>> This part seems OK - now if I could get the clients to boot... >>>> Cheers >>>> Alan Hodson >>>> El Paso ISD, TX >>>> -=o=- From aahodson at episd.org Tue May 16 15:17:17 2006 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:17:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP V5 saga Message-ID: No thin clients are coming up yet: [root at ThunderdomeNet ~]# netstat -an | fgrep -w 67 udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:67 0.0.0.0:* It doesn't appear to be a DHCP issue - changed cable... perhaps the card went bad. Any other suggestions? Alan Hodson El Paso ISD. TX -=o=- Alan A Hodson MEd. oF: 915-887-6871 fX: 915-779-4100 aahodson at episd.org http://links.episd.org/ Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away -=o=- From pfaffman at relaxpc.com Tue May 16 16:11:14 2006 From: pfaffman at relaxpc.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:11:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Stopping web messenger In-Reply-To: <20060515230410.41054.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <31E3188F-D7C8-4796-A6E0-173818DC9B05@mac.com> <20060515230410.41054.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <932609800605160911r19e6256bkf9af41759396ac39@mail.gmail.com> On 5/15/06, Rob Owens wrote: > I guess you just have to enforce punishments for going > to the inappropriate sites and accept the fact that > you can't stop them with technology--you've gotta stop > them with good old fashioned threats! Perhaps i've been out of the classroom for too long, but it would seem simple enough to restrict those caught doing something "bad" from using the Internet for some period of time. One school where I've got a K12LTSP box has block all ports other than 80 (and maybe https) so I can't ssh out anymore. I've been working on an argument that schools should give up on offering any apps or services and letting things like gmail, writely and so on do it for them. Of course all of these sites are blocked by filters. -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville http://learn.occ.utk.edu/ +1-865-974-0497 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue May 16 17:26:12 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:26:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP V5 saga In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you running SELinux? If so try turning it off David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue May 16 17:26:12 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:26:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP V5 saga In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you running SELinux? If so try turning it off David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Tue May 16 18:22:24 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:22:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 5B6-32bit query [Caveat Emptor] In-Reply-To: References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44693DD9.1010003@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <446A1860.6050908@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 15 May 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> My two cents: I'm not sure if mine is a dhcp problem, but my Beta1 >> test server was working week or so ago. It's on the same subnet as my >> production server, so when I want to work on the new version, I turn >> off dhcpd on the production box, turn on dhcpd on the test server, and >> then boot whatever clients I'm testing with. I did this the other >> day, but all my clients hang at the point where they try to load the >> kernel. xinetd is running, which I believe is what launches tftpd for >> passing the kernel to the client. > > Sounds like a bug that has already been fixed: > > yum install dhcp-ltsp-config > Yeah, except I already have dhcp-ltsp-config installed and... > or you can edit /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf and add this line towards the top > of the file: (changing 192.168.0.254 to your server's IP address, if that > is different, of course) > > next-server 192.168.0.254; > ...I already have this set in the config file. As I said, it was working, but when I tried it the other day, after a week or so of not using the beta server, the clients couldn't get a kernel anymore. But I'm going to re-install anyway, so my situation isn't worth worrying about. I just mentioned it since others were reporting dhcp problems. > >> I've got one client with an i810 video which has never fully booted. >> I think i810 problems were fixed in a later beta, so I'm just going to >> re-install. > > As far as I know, the i810 video problems are fixed in the latest version. > If there is someone lurking that has an i810 terminal that still won't > boot, > please speak up ;-) > I hope to install the latest beta (6?) this weekend. I'll let the list know if it doesn't fix the problem with my iPaq. Petre From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue May 16 18:55:22 2006 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:55:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RDP Question Message-ID: <446A201A.4040608@honeygroveisd.net> I've never done it before, but I understand that the RDP client built into K12LTSP can connect seamlessly with a Windows Terminal Server. How well does sound work using this setup? If I want to load all those goofy little games that the elementary teachers swear they can't live without, will all the honks and whistles play like they do on Windows? I'm trying to rid myself of a bunch of clunky old Win98 machines that ONLY exist to run those "must have" games. Any input would be welcome, especially if you have first-hand experience with this sort of thing. Thanks. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "If you're going through hell, keep going." -- Winston Churchill From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 16 21:34:28 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] network install from RPMS? In-Reply-To: <44691071.8010203@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <20060516213428.41490.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So the network install pretty much works the same whether you put the isos or the RPMS on your local web server? (I hope that's what you're telling me, because that's what I was hoping to hear!) Thanks. -Rob --- Ben Nickell wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > > >I know you can do a network install using the iso > >files. Can you do a network install using the > RPMS? > >It would be nice to be able to use the same set of > >files for both a local repository and for network > >installs. > > > >Thanks > > > >-Rob > > > > > > > > Yes you can.. at least in previous versions > > You either need to extract the RPMs off the CD's or > mirror a network > repository. (using rsync or something similar) > > If you are running apache, and but the files in a > directory under it's > document root, (usually /var/www/html) you can do a > http install from > there. You can also do installs via ftp, but it has > been since redhat 6 > since I've done that, so the memory is fuzzy. > > That might get you started. I can give more specific > instructions or dig > up some links tomorrow if that is not enough. > > Best Regards, > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue May 16 22:03:48 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:03:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] iMac booting intermittant Message-ID: <446A4C44.6080504@chinooksedge.ab.ca> When trying to boot an iMac on the K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta5 with all updates, I somtimes get the /pci/mac-io/ethernet::-1,yaboot.conf: Unknown or corrupt filesystem Can't open config file Welcome to yaboot version 1.3.10 Enter "help" to get some basic usage information boot: _ Then it just sits there. Occasionally it will boot properly. This will be a REAL SHOWSTOPPER as I have been asked to demo this to Alberta zone 5 & 6 school division technology meeting. I can boot an iBook by holding down the N key on boot. A big part of this demo is to show how to recycle old junkers ... we have a ton of old iMacs that run great IF/WHEN they boot. please help! Joe Guenther From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Tue May 16 22:16:05 2006 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:16:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] network install from RPMS? In-Reply-To: <20060516213428.41490.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060516213428.41490.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <446A4F25.4000605@physics.isu.edu> Yes My experience is you can only do an NFS install from the ISOs, but using the RPMs you can install via http or ftp. What I do is burn the first ISO image,boot from it an type 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt. Choose http install, make sure it has an IP address and point it at the directory where you put the RPMs. These links may help. Let me know if you need more guidance. Ben Rob Owens wrote: >So the network install pretty much works the same >whether you put the isos or the RPMS on your local web >server? (I hope that's what you're telling me, >because that's what I was hoping to hear!) > >Thanks. > >-Rob > >--- Ben Nickell >wrote: > > > >>Rob Owens wrote: >> >> >> >>>I know you can do a network install using the iso >>>files. Can you do a network install using the >>> >>> >>RPMS? >> >> >>>It would be nice to be able to use the same set of >>>files for both a local repository and for network >>>installs. >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>>-Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Yes you can.. at least in previous versions >> >>You either need to extract the RPMs off the CD's or >>mirror a network >>repository. (using rsync or something similar) >> >>If you are running apache, and but the files in a >>directory under it's >>document root, (usually /var/www/html) you can do a >>http install from >>there. You can also do installs via ftp, but it has >>been since redhat 6 >>since I've done that, so the memory is fuzzy. >> >>That might get you started. I can give more specific >>instructions or dig >>up some links tomorrow if that is not enough. >> >>Best Regards, >>Ben >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 16 22:30:26 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:30:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] iMac booting intermittant In-Reply-To: <446A4C44.6080504@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <446A4C44.6080504@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <446A5282.9070308@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Joe Guenther wrote: > When trying to boot an iMac on the K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta5 with all updates, > I somtimes get the > > /pci/mac-io/ethernet::-1,yaboot.conf: Unknown or corrupt filesystem > Can't open config file > Welcome to yaboot version 1.3.10 > Enter "help" to get some basic usage information > boot: _ > > Then it just sits there. Occasionally it will boot properly. This will > be a REAL SHOWSTOPPER as I have been asked to demo this to Alberta zone > 5 & 6 school division technology meeting. I can boot an iBook by > holding down the N key on boot. A big part of this demo is to show how > to recycle old junkers ... we have a ton of old iMacs that run great > IF/WHEN they boot. > > please help! > Joe Guenther > I just tested on my junker iMac and I think it is an SELinux labeling issue. Try turning off SELinux and see if the problem goes away: echo 0 > /selinux/enforce When I get the chance, I'll rebuild the package to fix this issue the correct way... -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 16 23:58:37 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:58:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] iMac booting intermittant In-Reply-To: <446A5282.9070308@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <446A4C44.6080504@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <446A5282.9070308@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <446A672D.8070702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > Joe Guenther wrote: >> When trying to boot an iMac on the K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta5 with all updates, >> I somtimes get the >> >> /pci/mac-io/ethernet::-1,yaboot.conf: Unknown or corrupt filesystem >> Can't open config file >> Welcome to yaboot version 1.3.10 >> Enter "help" to get some basic usage information >> boot: _ >> >> Then it just sits there. Occasionally it will boot properly. This will >> be a REAL SHOWSTOPPER as I have been asked to demo this to Alberta zone >> 5 & 6 school division technology meeting. I can boot an iBook by >> holding down the N key on boot. A big part of this demo is to show how >> to recycle old junkers ... we have a ton of old iMacs that run great >> IF/WHEN they boot. >> >> please help! >> Joe Guenther >> > > I just tested on my junker iMac and I think it is an SELinux labeling > issue. Try turning off SELinux and see if the problem goes away: > > echo 0 > /selinux/enforce > > When I get the chance, I'll rebuild the package to fix this issue the > correct way... > I got back to doing a little more testing. It is definitely NOT SELinux related, just happened to be pure luck that it worked earlier when I turned off enforcing mode. It appears that the problem was that I was using a cross-over cable to connect the iMac to the server. When I connected them both to a switch, the iMac boots every time. Any chance that you were using a cross-over cable as well? If you are using a managed switch, is Spanning Tree turned off? -Eric From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 17 01:10:44 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] network install from RPMS? In-Reply-To: <446A4F25.4000605@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <20060517011044.43994.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Excellent. I'll give it a try when my laptop arrives in a couple weeks. Thanks for all the info. -Rob --- Ben Nickell wrote: > > Yes > > > My experience is you can only do an NFS install from > the ISOs, but using > the RPMs you can install via http or ftp. > > What I do is burn the first ISO image,boot from it > an type 'linux > askmethod' at the boot prompt. Choose http > install, make sure it has > an IP address and point it at the directory where > you put the RPMs. > > > These links may help. > > > > > > > Let me know if you need more guidance. > > Ben > > Rob Owens wrote: > > >So the network install pretty much works the same > >whether you put the isos or the RPMS on your local > web > >server? (I hope that's what you're telling me, > >because that's what I was hoping to hear!) > > > >Thanks. > > > >-Rob > > > >--- Ben Nickell > >wrote: > > > > > > > >>Rob Owens wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I know you can do a network install using the iso > >>>files. Can you do a network install using the > >>> > >>> > >>RPMS? > >> > >> > >>>It would be nice to be able to use the same set > of > >>>files for both a local repository and for network > >>>installs. > >>> > >>>Thanks > >>> > >>>-Rob > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Yes you can.. at least in previous versions > >> > >>You either need to extract the RPMs off the CD's > or > >>mirror a network > >>repository. (using rsync or something similar) > >> > >>If you are running apache, and but the files in a > >>directory under it's > >>document root, (usually /var/www/html) you can do > a > >>http install from > >>there. You can also do installs via ftp, but it > has > >>been since redhat 6 > >>since I've done that, so the memory is fuzzy. > >> > >>That might get you started. I can give more > specific > >>instructions or dig > >>up some links tomorrow if that is not enough. > >> > >>Best Regards, > >>Ben > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed May 17 02:01:24 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:01:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP V5 saga/SLES-9... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1147831284.3265.4.camel@HodsonNet1> On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 13:26 -0400, David Trask wrote: > Are you running SELinux? If so try turning it off > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 I am *SO* desperate I not only took off SELinux but the firewall as well, to no avail. I am using a crossover cable into a switch - again, it's worked before... I am about to try SLES-9-i386-RC5... how does one load the K12LTSP apps into it? Anybody running it? Cheers Alan -=o=- From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed May 17 02:03:06 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:03:06 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] iMac booting intermittant In-Reply-To: <446A672D.8070702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <446A4C44.6080504@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <446A5282.9070308@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <446A672D.8070702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <60058.199.216.98.34.1147831386.squirrel@199.216.98.34> Eric, Thanks for doing that testing for me. I went right back to school after supper (I live in the same town as the schools I service) and tested your theory. I was using an el-cheapo router/4 port switch (Gnet IP104) to isolate this test set from the rest of my network. I had changed the network cable and it worked. On the next try that new cable did not work again. At that point I paniced. Now when I got back, I changed the router/switch and both my iMac junkers booted immediately. I am in fact writing this on a bondi blue first generation iMAc with 32Mb RAM (took the Hdd out too, so all it will do is netboot). All works fantastic - at least when it boots consistently. Thanks for testing on your end to help isolate my problem. Wow, what a great community. I never cease to marvel at how the whole open source community holds together. One would never get that from an Oracle / Microsoft / Sun corporation. I will use this little incident as one of the stories in my presentation on Friday. This K12LTSP community is another one of the reasons to do Linux in school. In fact we have moved to using the K12LTSP disro as the sole distro in our division ... whether for a Samba server, an Apache web server or Tomcat app server. We have a number of the CentOS installs running, and a number of Fedora installs where the desktop is primary. Our thinking was - close to redhat that we were familiar with - an excellent update repository infrastructure - and the LTSP capability is nice to have in the background when running a samba server. There is then nothing stopping us from simply starting to boot thin clients besides the other desktops.. ... no extra work. So let me say a BIG thanks to you personally Eric. We have never met, but yet you have done so much for my tech career. (I started using K12LTSP around version 3 when in Germany about 6 years ago) THANKS!! :-)) Joe Guenther Chinook's Edge School Division Alberta, Canada On Tue, May 16, 2006 5:58 pm, Eric Harrison said: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> Joe Guenther wrote: >>> When trying to boot an iMac on the K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta5 with all >>> updates, >>> I somtimes get the >>> >>> /pci/mac-io/ethernet::-1,yaboot.conf: Unknown or corrupt filesystem >>> Can't open config file >>> Welcome to yaboot version 1.3.10 >>> Enter "help" to get some basic usage information >>> boot: _ >>> >>> Then it just sits there. Occasionally it will boot properly. This >>> will >>> be a REAL SHOWSTOPPER as I have been asked to demo this to Alberta zone >>> 5 & 6 school division technology meeting. I can boot an iBook by >>> holding down the N key on boot. A big part of this demo is to show how >>> to recycle old junkers ... we have a ton of old iMacs that run great >>> IF/WHEN they boot. >>> >>> please help! >>> Joe Guenther >>> >> >> I just tested on my junker iMac and I think it is an SELinux labeling >> issue. Try turning off SELinux and see if the problem goes away: >> >> echo 0 > /selinux/enforce >> >> When I get the chance, I'll rebuild the package to fix this issue the >> correct way... >> > > I got back to doing a little more testing. It is definitely NOT SELinux > related, just happened to be pure luck that it worked earlier when I > turned off enforcing mode. > > It appears that the problem was that I was using a cross-over cable to > connect the iMac to the server. When I connected them both to a switch, > the iMac boots every time. > > Any chance that you were using a cross-over cable as well? If you are > using a managed switch, is Spanning Tree turned off? > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:446a67f7231541940217895! > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = Lantech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From carl at snarlnet.com Wed May 17 04:21:41 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:21:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Outdoor Thin Client (and possibly wireless) Message-ID: <446AA4D5.3060207@snarlnet.com> Hi Folks, 2 Possibly related questions. Preamble: The reason I installed a K12ltsp server in my house was so that when the time came I could plop a $0-$50 computer anywhere in the house and have a decent workstation. My kids use the one in the living room and I use it and the one in the kitchen to play music via mp3's. I also use the clients to surf the web and check email, etc. I am planning on deploying thin clients in the kids' rooms when they ask for them. Anyway, with the nice whether I'm suddenly struck with the overpowering urge to put a client out in the backyard - mainly for tunes while I'm gardening, cooking, entertaining and hanging out. I want it to be a permanent installation with an amp and speakers. What are the pitfalls of doing this? I have no budget for the project, but I was going to try to get a cheap cabinet or something (and weatherproof it to the best of my ability) to serve as a "shed" for it. But it can't have a flat panel or nice cpu, or be a laptop. Does anyone have any advice for somebody about to attempt such a thing? ("Don't." Perhaps) I don't want to electrocute anyone, start a fire or hurt my network, etc. There's already GFCI electrical outlet right where I want to put it. The second question is, does anyone know when fedora (and therefore k12ltsp ) is going to support "G" wireless cards? I installed Fedora via my trusty K12ltsp 4.4.2 disks on a friends laptop, but now we're finding it impossible to get wifi working. I even tried the ndis (IIRC) wrapper but I couldn't find the kernel source in the install to recompile it. (Probably a sign from the scandanavian gods that I shouldn't attempt such a thing.) I'm also wondering if a wireless "G" thin client is possible, therefore simplifying the outdoor scenario. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. ck From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed May 17 15:21:08 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:21:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More news on NELS 2006! Message-ID: Hello Everyone! Hope this finds you happy, healthy, and dry ;-) It's finally sunny out today and that prompted me to write. :-) First, the registrations for NELS at Gould Academy and NELS at UNH are still coming in....I hope that you'll be among them! One new thing that I'm kinda' excited about is the addition of some vendor/sponsors for this years Symposia. Matt and I actually wrestled a little with this idea and finally came to the conclusion that certain vendors can really enhance our offerings at NELS and bring some unique information to the participants. Vendors will be given the opportunity to showcase their service or products at a special presentation session and some of them are also our instructors for various sessions! We currently have the folks from Wicked Good Software (you may be familiar with their product Web2School) who will be attending and meeting with us to discuss the possibility of ?Open Sourcing? their product! This is exciting and you get to be a part of it! They'll also show their Student Information System which now has a Linux server version and a Linux client! We also have the folks from ?The Symbiont? [ http://www.thesymbiont.com/ ]http://www.thesymbiont.com/ who will be showing their Open Source product, The Symbiont, as well as demoing their ?boot appliance?....very cool....read about it on their site and prepared to be amazed! Gideon, from The Symbiont, is also a major contributor to the development of LTSP and K12LTSP and very interested in education. We recently met with the guys from Resara.com (a local NH company) that has a ?drop in? Linux terminal system that is designed to easily integrate into your Windows domain or Active Directory network. I was quite impressed! They'll be giving a demo of this set up as well as presenting in our Windows/Linux authentication session! They bring a lot of knowledge about Windows and Linux to the conference! Things are shaping up nicely, but this is also crunch time for Matt and I as we prepare for NELS at Gould Academy. If you have registered, but not yet sent a PO or check, please do so right away. Our bill is due on June 19th and we're just a coupla' guys putting on a conference who have no money....just like you :-) If you have submitted your PO....thank you, but also put a little pressure on your business office to get the check to us by early June. Any help you can give is appreciated. If you are paying by check and will be bringing one with you to the conference....simply email me and let me know ([ mailto:dtrask at vcsvikings.org ]dtrask at vcsvikings.org). The UNH edition of NELS is also shaping up nicely! You'll see the vendor/sponsors mentioned above as well as the folks from SchoolTool who will be developing their software with our input right before our eyes! This is very cool! I'm also excited about all the cool things that people will learn about how to make system administration very easy! I'm hoping to participate in those sessions myself! One nice difference between UNH and Gould? UNH is handling the registrations for that conference...and they take plastic! You can register online with your credit card if you wish....or you can use a PO as well. UNH is handling the PO's and so forth (they will invoice you) so direct your questions to them with regard to payment. Joanne Lewis-McCoy at UNH is handling our registrations, so if you have questions...drop her a line [ mailto:Joanne.Lewis-McCoy at unh.edu ]Joanne.Lewis-McCoy at unh.edu Both registration sites can be accessed from the main NELS (Northeast Linux Symposium) site at [ http://www.nelinux.net/ ]http://www.nelinux.net It's getting closer, so if you plan to attend either conference, particularly the one at Gould Academy (June 17-20) please register ASAP and get your name on the list. (if you don't know the PO number at the time of registration....no problem....just send it as soon as you do know) (also a reminder that Maine ACTEM members can request up to $400 in professional development funds to attend either conference! Visit [ http://www.actem.org/ ]www.actem.org for more info(only costs $10 to join!)....some of you have written to me to let me know that you have done this....that's pretty cool!) Stay warm and dry....have fun...and get ready for summer...'cause here it comes! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed May 17 16:12:45 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:12:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Outdoor Thin Client (and possibly wireless) In-Reply-To: <446AA4D5.3060207@snarlnet.com> References: <446AA4D5.3060207@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <446B4B7D.3050708@saskforestcentre.ca> Carl Keil wrote: > Hi Folks, > > 2 Possibly related questions. > > Preamble: The reason I installed a K12ltsp server in my house was so > that when the time came I could plop a $0-$50 computer anywhere in the > house and have a decent workstation. My kids use the one in the > living room and I use it and the one in the kitchen to play music via > mp3's. I also use the clients to surf the web and check email, etc. > I am planning on deploying thin clients in the kids' rooms when they > ask for them. > Anyway, with the nice whether I'm suddenly struck with the > overpowering urge to put a client out in the backyard - mainly for > tunes while I'm gardening, cooking, entertaining and hanging out. I > want it to be a permanent installation with an amp and speakers. What > are the pitfalls of doing this? I have no budget for the project, but > I was going to try to get a cheap cabinet or something (and > weatherproof it to the best of my ability) to serve as a "shed" for > it. But it can't have a flat panel or nice cpu, or be a laptop. Does > anyone have any advice for somebody about to attempt such a thing? > ("Don't." Perhaps) I don't want to electrocute anyone, start a fire > or hurt my network, etc. There's already GFCI electrical outlet right > where I want to put it. > > The second question is, does anyone know when fedora (and therefore > k12ltsp ) is going to support "G" wireless cards? I installed Fedora > via my trusty K12ltsp 4.4.2 disks on a friends laptop, but now we're > finding it impossible to get wifi working. I even tried the ndis > (IIRC) wrapper but I couldn't find the kernel source in the install to > recompile it. (Probably a sign from the scandanavian gods that I > shouldn't attempt such a thing.) > > I'm also wondering if a wireless "G" thin client is possible, > therefore simplifying the outdoor scenario. > Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. > > ck It sounds like you want a MythTV station, using a remote to run the thing, and putting a display buried somewhere. I keep meaning to set up a laptop as a piece of furniture running MythTV so I can do something similar in "non-computerised" spaces in my house. I looked at wireless, but since I can't reliably boot from wireless, that's just not going to happen- it needs a local filesystem to boot from. The media can all be streamed off the main machine, over 802.11b at 11MB, frankly. It's rare that that won't work. The media is put to the screen locally. I don't want the machine to be a general purpose machine, but have an icon to jump to the server using VNC or some other form of network screen sharing. If I need to do real work in another room, I can hook up a wire, or whatever, and use another laptop. Those are my thoughts on the subject, anyway. Angus Carr. From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed May 17 17:28:24 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:28:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB, CD on client Message-ID: <446B5D38.30105@chinooksedge.ab.ca> In the process of testing a new 5.0.0 (beta5 with the latest updates) configuration for a demo on Friday, I have noticed that the USB mounting is not consistent. I can plug in a USB stick and it will mount properly. The CD will also mount properly. This is SO SLICK! This is a fantastic feature. BUT once I pull out the USB stick it will not mount again, nor will a CD mount again. Logging out and logging in again does not seem to help. I have to physically shutdown the client and restart for the USB stick to mount again. Am I doing something wrong? Is there an un-mount or eject function that I am missing for the USB stick? Is it my hardware? Joe Guenther From thepiano at telenet.be Wed May 17 18:47:14 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:47:14 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB, CD on client In-Reply-To: <446B5D38.30105@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <446B5D38.30105@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <83FBEFCB-4176-43AF-9DAD-A521A53421BE@telenet.be> same problem in beta 6, reproduced several times. Hanne Op 17-mei-06, om 19:28 heeft Joe Guenther het volgende geschreven: > In the process of testing a new 5.0.0 (beta5 with the latest > updates) configuration for a demo on Friday, I have noticed that > the USB mounting is not consistent. I can plug in a USB stick and > it will mount properly. The CD will also mount properly. This is > SO SLICK! This is a fantastic feature. > > BUT once I pull out the USB stick it will not mount again, nor will > a CD mount again. Logging out and logging in again does not seem to > help. I have to physically shutdown the client and restart for the > USB stick to mount again. Am I doing something wrong? Is there an > un-mount or eject function that I am missing for the USB stick? Is > it my hardware? > > Joe Guenther > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed May 17 19:23:17 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:23:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] local USB, CD on client In-Reply-To: <83FBEFCB-4176-43AF-9DAD-A521A53421BE@telenet.be> References: <446B5D38.30105@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <83FBEFCB-4176-43AF-9DAD-A521A53421BE@telenet.be> Message-ID: <446B7825.60001@saskforestcentre.ca> I have a similar problem in beta 6, and it is consistent that the first session logged in at a station will get the USB Key, but after that user logs out, nobody can get it, including the first user. On terminal reboot, it's available again. I occasionally have a problem with the first time I plug in the key on a terminal- it won't find it and make the desktop icon. After I wait a minute, I unplug and replug, and it works. In general terms, though the usb keys work very well. I'd like to mount terminal hard drives, too. Angus Carr. Kevin Verheyen wrote: > same problem in beta 6, > > reproduced several times. > > Hanne > > Op 17-mei-06, om 19:28 heeft Joe Guenther het volgende geschreven: > >> In the process of testing a new 5.0.0 (beta5 with the latest updates) >> configuration for a demo on Friday, I have noticed that the USB >> mounting is not consistent. I can plug in a USB stick and it will >> mount properly. The CD will also mount properly. This is SO SLICK! >> This is a fantastic feature. >> >> BUT once I pull out the USB stick it will not mount again, nor will a >> CD mount again. Logging out and logging in again does not seem to >> help. I have to physically shutdown the client and restart for the >> USB stick to mount again. Am I doing something wrong? Is there an >> un-mount or eject function that I am missing for the USB stick? Is >> it my hardware? >> >> Joe Guenther From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 17 19:21:48 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:21:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repository update for K12LTSP 4.2.x Message-ID: <446B77CC.5040700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Dan pointed out to me this morning that the K12LTSP 4.2.x (FC3) repositories were not working properly. While fixing that bug, I also updated the k12ltsp-release package to include the Fedora Legacy repositories. All you should need to do is install the k12ltsp-release package: yum install k12ltsp-release and then do your updates as usual: yum update Fedora Legacy does use a different GPG key, which may cause you problems. In theory this key should auto-load, but the older versions of yum are not quite as slick as the latest version when it comes to auto-installing GPG keys. If you run into problems about a missing key, you can run this command to fix it: rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY -Eric From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed May 17 21:06:41 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:06:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot Message-ID: <20060517140641.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f0b165f639.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I cannot remeber what the command is to set the number of clients that are allowed to boot off of the server. Please help... thanks, ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From webace98 at gmail.com Wed May 17 21:10:22 2006 From: webace98 at gmail.com (Mary Jo Spencer) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:10:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Crash K12LTSP 4.2.0-2 smp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings everyone. I have been lurking on this mailing list for quite some time. I started last spring with 3 grade 3 classrooms set up with banks of K12ltsp thin clients and this year expanded to 15 classrooms grades 3-5. We have been using the same server all along though I did add memory to a total of 5.9 gb on a Dual Xenon PowerEdge 2600 with scsi drives. Originally the techs upgraded the kernel to 2.6.10-1.770_FC3smp and updated a bit of other K12ltsp software. I have been working on setting up a second server and almost had everything all set but before I got it deployed, our main server crashed in the middle of the day - at the time it crashed there was about 4.2 gb memory in use and the CPU usage was about 20% (this was down from 5.2 gb and 65% utilization for while a half hr earlier). All the thin clients froze showing black screen with some colored blocks. The server would not respond to direct keyboard input or mouse so I just powered it down and restarted it. After restarting and going throught the disk check it has been ok but I am worried about it crashing again because I don't know why it crashed in the first place. Here is what it shows in var/log/messages: May 11 10:13:08 SMS-K12LTSP kernel: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00004330 May 11 10:13:08 SMS-K12LTSP kernel: printing eip: May 11 10:13:08 SMS-K12LTSP kernel: c02a469d May 11 10:13:08 SMS-K12LTSP kernel: *pde = 138be001 May 11 10:13:08 SMS-K12LTSP kernel: Oops: 0000 [#1] May 11 10:13:08 SMS-K12LTSP kernel: SMP May 11 10:13:08 SMS-K12LTSP kernel: Modules linked in: ipt_MASQUERADE iptable_nat ip_conntrack ip_tables nfsd exportfs lockd parport_pc lp parport autofs4 i2c_dev i2c_core sunrpc video button battery ac md5 ipv6 uhci_hcd hw_random e1000 floppy sg dm_snapshot dm_zero dm_mirror ext3 jbd dm_mod megaraid_mbox megaraid_mm sd_mod scsi_mod According to the system map in /boot c02a469d corresponds to inet_ioctl Here is some of what showed up in dmesg after the server booted: Linux version 2.6.10-1.770_FC3smp (bhcompile at porky.build.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.4.2 20041017 (Red Hat 3.4.2-6.fc3)) #1 SMP Thu Feb 24 14:20:06 EST 2005 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 00000000000a0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 00000000f7fd0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 00000000f7fd0000 - 00000000f7fdfc00 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 00000000f7fdfc00 - 00000000f7fff000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec90000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee10000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000ffb00000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000100000000 - 00000001c8000000 (usable) 6400MB HIGHMEM available. 896MB LOWMEM available. found SMP MP-table at 000fe710 Using x86 segment limits to approximate NX protection On node 0 totalpages: 1867776 DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1 Normal zone: 225280 pages, LIFO batch:16 HighMem zone: 1638400 pages, LIFO batch:16 DMI 2.3 present. Using APIC driver default ACPI: RSDP (v000 DELL ) @ 0x000fdc20 ACPI: RSDT (v001 DELL PE2600 0x00000001 MSFT 0x0100000a) @ 0x000fdc34 ACPI: FADT (v001 DELL PE2600 0x00000001 MSFT 0x0100000a) @ 0x000fdc64 ACPI: MADT (v001 DELL PE2600 0x00000001 MSFT 0x0100000a) @ 0x000fdcd8 ACPI: SPCR (v001 DELL PE2600 0x00000001 MSFT 0x0100000a) @ 0x000fdd96 ACPI: DSDT (v001 DELL PE2600 0x00000001 MSFT 0x0100000a) @ 0x00000000 ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x808 ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee00000 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) Processor #0 15:2 APIC version 20 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x02] lapic_id[0x06] enabled) Processor #6 15:2 APIC version 20 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x03] lapic_id[0x01] enabled) Processor #1 15:2 APIC version 20 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x04] lapic_id[0x07] enabled) Processor #7 15:2 APIC version 20 ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x01] high edge lint[0x1]) <<<<3 more of thse for the two cpu's>>>> ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x08] address[0xfec00000] gsi_base[0]) IOAPIC[0]: apic_id 8, version 32, address 0xfec00000, GSI 0-23 ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x09] address[0xfec80000] gsi_base[24]) IOAPIC[1]: apic_id 9, version 32, address 0xfec80000, GSI 24-47 ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x0a] address[0xfec81000] gsi_base[72]) IOAPIC[2]: apic_id 10, version 32, address 0xfec81000, GSI 72-95 ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x0b] address[0xfec82000] gsi_base[120]) IOAPIC[3]: apic_id 11, version 32, address 0xfec82000, GSI 120-143 ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x0c] address[0xfec82800] gsi_base[144]) IOAPIC[4]: apic_id 12, version 32, address 0xfec82800, GSI 144-167 ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2 dfl dfl) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 9 global_irq 9 high level) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 10 global_irq 10 high edge) ACPI: IRQ0 used by override. ACPI: IRQ2 used by override. ACPI: IRQ9 used by override. ACPI: IRQ10 used by override. Enabling APIC mode: Flat. Using 5 I/O APICs Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information Built 1 zonelists Kernel command line: ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet mapped APIC to ffffd000 (fee00000) mapped IOAPIC to ffffc000 (fec00000) mapped IOAPIC to ffffb000 (fec80000) mapped IOAPIC to ffffa000 (fec81000) mapped IOAPIC to ffff9000 (fec82000) mapped IOAPIC to ffff8000 (fec82800) Initializing CPU#0 CPU 0 irqstacks, hard=c03ca000 soft=c03aa000 PID hash table entries: 4096 (order: 12, 65536 bytes) Detected 2393.112 MHz processor. Using pmtmr for high-res timesource Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Memory: 7273988k/7471104k available (1780k kernel code, 64932k reserved, 718k data, 204k init, 6422336k highmem) Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. Calibrating delay loop... 4734.97 BogoMIPS (lpj=2367488) Security Framework v1.0.0 initialized SELinux: Initializing. SELinux: Starting in permissive mode selinux_register_security: Registering secondary module capability Capability LSM initialized as secondary Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) CPU: After generic identify, caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: After vendor identify, caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 8K CPU: L2 cache: 512K CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 CPU: After all inits, caps: bfebf3ff 00000000 00000000 00000080 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU0: Intel P4/Xeon Extended MCE MSRs (12) available CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. CPU0: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz stepping 09 per-CPU timeslice cutoff: 1462.91 usecs. task migration cache decay timeout: 2 msecs. Booting processor 1/1 eip 3000 CPU 1 irqstacks, hard=c03cb000 soft=c03ab000 Initializing CPU#1 Calibrating delay loop... 4767.74 BogoMIPS (lpj=2383872) CPU: After generic identify, caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: After vendor identify, caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 8K CPU: L2 cache: 512K CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 CPU: After all inits, caps: bfebf3ff 00000000 00000000 00000080 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#1. CPU1: Intel P4/Xeon Extended MCE MSRs (12) available CPU1: Thermal monitoring enabled CPU1: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz stepping 09 Booting processor 2/6 eip 3000 CPU 2 irqstacks, hard=c03cc000 soft=c03ac000 Initializing CPU#2 Calibrating delay loop... 4767.74 BogoMIPS (lpj=2383872) CPU: After generic identify, caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: After vendor identify, caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 8K CPU: L2 cache: 512K CPU: Physical Processor ID: 3 CPU: After all inits, caps: bfebf3ff 00000000 00000000 00000080 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#2. <<>>>>>> Total of 4 processors activated (19038.20 BogoMIPS). ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs ..TIMER: vector=0x31 pin1=2 pin2=-1 checking TSC synchronization across 4 CPUs: passed. Brought up 4 CPUs checking if image is initramfs... it is Freeing initrd memory: 1022k freed NET: Registered protocol family 16 PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfc6ce, last bus=11 PCI: Using configuration type 1 mtrr: v2.0 (20020519) ACPI: Subsystem revision 20041105 ACPI: Interpreter enabled ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (00:00) PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) PCI: Ignoring BAR0-3 of IDE controller 0000:00:1f.1 PCI: Transparent bridge - 0000:00:1e.0 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI1._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI2.P2PA._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI2.P2PB._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI3.P2PC._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI3.P2PD._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI4.P2PE._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI4.P2PE.ZION._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI4.P2PF._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK0] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 *11 12 14) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK1] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 11 12 14) *0, disabled. ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK2] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 11 12 14) *0, disabled. ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK3] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 11 12 14) *0, disabled. ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK8] (IRQs 3 4 *5 6 7 9 11 12 14) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK9] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 11 12 14) *0, disabled. ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 *11 12 14) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 11 12 14) *0, disabled. Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay pnp: PnP ACPI init pnp: PnP ACPI: found 11 devices usbcore: registered new driver usbfs usbcore: registered new driver hub PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing ** PCI interrupts are no longer routed automatically. If this ** causes a device to stop working, it is probably because the ** driver failed to call pci_enable_device(). As a temporary ** workaround, the "pci=routeirq" argument restores the old ** behavior. If this argument makes the device work again, ** please email the output of "lspci" to bjorn.helgaas at hp.com ** so I can fix the driver. pnp: 00:0a: ioport range 0x800-0x87f could not be reserved pnp: 00:0a: ioport range 0x880-0x8bf has been reserved pnp: 00:0a: ioport range 0x8c0-0x8df has been reserved pnp: 00:0a: ioport range 0xc00-0xc1f has been reserved pnp: 00:0a: ioport range 0xca2-0xca7 has been reserved pnp: 00:0a: ioport range 0xc20-0xc2f has been reserved apm: BIOS not found. audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) audit(1147342842.883:0): initialized highmem bounce pool size: 64 pages Total HugeTLB memory allocated, 0 VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes) SELinux: Registering netfilter hooks Initializing Cryptographic API ksign: Installing public key data Loading keyring - Added public key C1F2FA57F7EECD64 - User ID: Red Hat, Inc. (Kernel Module GPG key) pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... isapnp: No Plug & Play device found Real Time Clock Driver v1.12 Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 76 ports, IRQ sharing enabled ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A io scheduler noop registered io scheduler anticipatory registered io scheduler deadline registered io scheduler cfq registered RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 16384K size 1024 blocksize divert: not allocating divert_blk for non-ethernet device lo Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx ICH3: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:1f.1 PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:1f.1 (0005 -> 0007) ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.1[A]: no GSI - using IRQ 0 ICH3: chipset revision 2 ICH3: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0xfc00-0xfc07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0xfc08-0xfc0f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio Probing IDE interface ide0... hda: HL-DT-STCD-RW/DVD-ROM GCC-4243N, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive elevator: using anticipatory as default io scheduler ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 Probing IDE interface ide1... Probing IDE interface ide1... hda: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33) Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide usbcore: registered new driver hiddev usbcore: registered new driver usbhid drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core driver mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 input: ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1 md: md driver 0.90.1 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 NET: Registered protocol family 2 IP: routing cache hash table of 32768 buckets, 512Kbytes TCP: Hash tables configured (established 262144 bind 43690) Initializing IPsec netlink socket NET: Registered protocol family 1 NET: Registered protocol family 17 ACPI wakeup devices: PCI0 PCI1 PCI2 P2PA P2PB PCI3 P2PC P2PD PCI4 P2PE P2PF ACPI: (supports S0 S4 S5) CPU0: domain 0: span 00000003 groups: 00000001 00000002 domain 1: span 0000000f groups: 00000003 0000000c <<>> Freeing unused kernel memory: 204k freed SCSI subsystem initialized megaraid cmm: 2.20.2.3 (Release Date: Thu Dec 9 19:02:14 EST 2004) megaraid: 2.20.4.1 (Release Date: Thu Nov 4 17:44:59 EST 2004) megaraid: probe new device 0x1028:0x000e:0x1028:0x0123: bus 8:slot 8:func 0 ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:08:08.0[A] -> GSI 120 (level, low) -> IRQ 169 megaraid: fw version:[2.48] bios version:[1.06] scsi0 : LSI Logic MegaRAID driver scsi[0]: scanning scsi channel 0 [Phy 0] for non-raid devices Vendor: PE/PV Model: 1x6 SCSI BP Rev: 1.1 Type: Processor ANSI SCSI revision: 02 scsi[0]: scanning scsi channel 1 [Phy 1] for non-raid devices scsi[0]: scanning scsi channel 2 [virtual] for logical drives Vendor: MegaRAID Model: LD0 RAID1 39900R Rev: 2.48 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 SCSI device sda: 286515200 512-byte hdwr sectors (146696 MB) sda: asking for cache data failed sda: assuming drive cache: write through SCSI device sda: 286515200 512-byte hdwr sectors (146696 MB) sda: asking for cache data failed sda: assuming drive cache: write through sda: sda1 sda2 Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 2, id 0, lun 0 device-mapper: 4.3.0-ioctl (2004-09-30) initialised: dm-devel at redhat.com EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem. EXT3-fs: write access will be enabled during recovery. kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: dm-0: orphan cleanup on readonly fs ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 494579 ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 524510 ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 524509 EXT3-fs: dm-0: 3 orphan inodes deleted EXT3-fs: recovery complete. EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. SELinux: Disabled at runtime. SELinux: Unregistering netfilter hooks Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0, type 3 Attached scsi generic sg1 at scsi0, channel 2, id 0, lun 0, type 0 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306 Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - version 5.5.4-k2-NAPI Copyright (c) 1999-2004 Intel Corporation. ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:02.0[A] -> GSI 24 (level, low) -> IRQ 177 divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0 e1000: eth0: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:03:01.0[A] -> GSI 28 (level, low) -> IRQ 185 ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 e1000: eth1: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team hw_random hardware driver 1.0.0 loaded USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2 ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 193 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: UHCI Host Controller PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.0 to 64 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: irq 193, io base 0xbce0 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected md: Autodetecting RAID arrays. md: autorun ... md: ... autorun DONE. usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 NET: Registered protocol family 10 Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c032a200(lo) IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver divert: not allocating divert_blk for non-ethernet device sit0 ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team hiddev96: USB HID v1.10 Device [American Power Conversion Back-UPS RS 1500 FW:8.g9 .D USB FW:g9] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2 e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex eth0: no IPv6 routers present ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] ibm_acpi: ec object not found EXT3 FS on dm-0, internal journal kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Adding 2031608k swap on /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01. Priority:-1 extents:1 So any idea why it crashed?? Is 5.9 gb memory too much for this kernel? Are there other config that should be changed? I have now deployed the second server (mounting /home from server1) so that should help keep the load down on the main server but what else can I do to keep from crashing again??? Thanks, Mary Jo Spencer, Technology Coordinator, Stratham Memorial School, Stratham, New Hampshire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 17 21:30:45 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:30:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot In-Reply-To: <20060517140641.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f0b165f639.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060517140641.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f0b165f639.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <446B9605.9060602@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I cannot remeber what the command is to set the number of clients that > are allowed to boot off of the server. Please help... > There is no (should be no) software limit to the number of clients that you can boot. What problems are you seeing and which version of K12LTSP are you working on? -Eric From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed May 17 21:46:42 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:46:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot Message-ID: <20060517144642.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5407e7aea9.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I have already run into this once, just can't remember the command to bring up the configuration interface that controlled how many terminals were booting off of the LTSP server. I think that it would allow around 15. It may be a WM tool that allows so many clients to run the specific WM. I am going to try and dig up the command in past emails. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot > From: Eric Harrison > Date: Wed, May 17, 2006 4:30 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > I cannot remeber what the command is to set the number of clients that > > are allowed to boot off of the server. Please help... > > > > There is no (should be no) software limit to the number of clients that > you can boot. > > What problems are you seeing and which version of K12LTSP are you > working on? > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed May 17 21:57:43 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:57:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot In-Reply-To: <20060517144642.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5407e7aea9.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060517144642.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5407e7aea9.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <446B9C57.7050905@paasda.org> in dchp.conf hand out a range of only 15 IP addresses ;) that aughta solve your problem. --Huck rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I have already run into this once, just can't remember the command to > bring up the configuration interface that controlled how many terminals > were booting off of the LTSP server. I think that it would allow around > 15. It may be a WM tool that allows so many clients to run the specific > WM. I am going to try and dig up the command in past emails. > > > Ron > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot >> From: Eric Harrison >> Date: Wed, May 17, 2006 4:30 pm >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> >> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >>> I cannot remeber what the command is to set the number of clients that >>> are allowed to boot off of the server. Please help... >>> >> There is no (should be no) software limit to the number of clients that >> you can boot. >> >> What problems are you seeing and which version of K12LTSP are you >> working on? >> >> >> -Eric >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed May 17 22:04:21 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:04:21 -0700 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot Message-ID: <20060517150421.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.1afcf160c2.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I found what I had to change before. It is the login screen setup, on the XDMCP tab, and then the setting for maximum remote sessions needs to changed to a greater number. I couldn't find this in the WIKI when I searched. I am not sure if I am missing something when I am loading LTSP on the server. I am surprised that there aren't more questions regarding this problem. Maybe it's just me;) Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot > From: Huck > Date: Wed, May 17, 2006 4:57 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > in dchp.conf > hand out a range of only 15 IP addresses ;) > that aughta solve your problem. > > --Huck > > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > I have already run into this once, just can't remember the command to > > bring up the configuration interface that controlled how many terminals > > were booting off of the LTSP server. I think that it would allow around > > 15. It may be a WM tool that allows so many clients to run the specific > > WM. I am going to try and dig up the command in past emails. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot > >> From: Eric Harrison > >> Date: Wed, May 17, 2006 4:30 pm > >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >> > >> > >> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > >>> I cannot remeber what the command is to set the number of clients that > >>> are allowed to boot off of the server. Please help... > >>> > >> There is no (should be no) software limit to the number of clients that > >> you can boot. > >> > >> What problems are you seeing and which version of K12LTSP are you > >> working on? > >> > >> > >> -Eric > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 17 21:53:42 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:53:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot In-Reply-To: <20060517144642.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5407e7aea9.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060517144642.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5407e7aea9.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <446B9B66.9070109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I missed updating MaxSessions in gdm.conf in the 5.0 beta (I assume that is what you are working on). Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and in the "[xdmcp]" section add: MaxSessions=250 You need to restart GDM for this to be active. -Eric rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I have already run into this once, just can't remember the command to > bring up the configuration interface that controlled how many terminals > were booting off of the LTSP server. I think that it would allow around > 15. It may be a WM tool that allows so many clients to run the specific > WM. I am going to try and dig up the command in past emails. > > > Ron > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot >> From: Eric Harrison >> Date: Wed, May 17, 2006 4:30 pm >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> >> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >>> I cannot remeber what the command is to set the number of clients that >>> are allowed to boot off of the server. Please help... >>> >> There is no (should be no) software limit to the number of clients that >> you can boot. >> >> What problems are you seeing and which version of K12LTSP are you >> working on? >> >> >> -Eric >> From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed May 17 22:24:48 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:24:48 -0700 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot In-Reply-To: <20060517150421.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.1afcf160c2.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060517150421.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.1afcf160c2.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <446BA2B0.4060507@paasda.org> haven't got the spare hardware to test 5.0 out yet ;) Next month...2 new servers..then I'll do the Happy Huck dance =) --Huck rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I found what I had to change before. It is the login screen setup, on > the XDMCP tab, and then the setting for maximum remote sessions needs > to changed to a greater number. I couldn't find this in the WIKI when > I searched. I am not sure if I am missing something when I am loading > LTSP on the server. I am surprised that there aren't more questions > regarding this problem. Maybe it's just me;) > > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot >> From: Huck >> Date: Wed, May 17, 2006 4:57 pm >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> >> in dchp.conf >> hand out a range of only 15 IP addresses ;) >> that aughta solve your problem. >> >> --Huck >> >> >> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >>> I have already run into this once, just can't remember the command to >>> bring up the configuration interface that controlled how many terminals >>> were booting off of the LTSP server. I think that it would allow around >>> 15. It may be a WM tool that allows so many clients to run the specific >>> WM. I am going to try and dig up the command in past emails. >>> >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> >>> Ronald R. McDaniel >>> Conecuh County Schools >>> (251) 578-7073 x26 >>> (251) 238-1890 cell >>> 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc >>> rmcdaniel at indata.us >>> >>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot >>>> From: Eric Harrison >>>> Date: Wed, May 17, 2006 4:30 pm >>>> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>>> >>>> >>>> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >>>>> I cannot remeber what the command is to set the number of clients that >>>>> are allowed to boot off of the server. Please help... >>>>> >>>> There is no (should be no) software limit to the number of clients that >>>> you can boot. >>>> >>>> What problems are you seeing and which version of K12LTSP are you >>>> working on? >>>> >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed May 17 22:45:29 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:45:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash install not working Message-ID: <446BA789.9020901@chinooksedge.ab.ca> another little fly in the soup of the 5.0.0 demo setup ... When the Get Flash icon is clicked in the Install Additional software ... then loads a terminal to download and install Macromedia Flash ... it ends with an error ERROR: something went wrong with 'up2date -i --nosig flash-plugin' Aborting :-( I have already done yum clean all This has happened repeatedly over the last week. I have not been able to install Flash on my new 5.0.0 beta demo system. It would be nice to have this functional for my demo on Friday afternoon Joe Guenther From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 17 22:57:00 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Outdoor Thin Client (and possibly wireless) In-Reply-To: <446AA4D5.3060207@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <20060517225700.29543.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I "weatherized" a set of indoor speakers by covering up the bass ports with fiberglass windows screen, in order to keep out bugs and birds when I mounted the speakers under my deck. I used silicone to adhere it to the speaker, and I used fiberglass only because it was available in black to match the speaker cabinet. Anyway, you should probably do something similar for your outdoor thin client. If it's going to be in a shed-like enclosure, you probably don't need to do anything else. Make sure there's plenty of ventilation, though, especially if you're using a CRT monitor. Angus mentioned MythTV. I use MythTV and it really is great. I think it might be overkill for your outdoor machine, though. You can set up a computer with a remote control to control xmms (and I imagine you can do it on a thin client as well). I have a similar setup as you in my home. Thin clients everywhere, primarily for music. One cool trick for parties is you can set up a streaming music server and have each client play the same streaming playlist. This gives you the same "soundtrack" in every room of your house (you do have a thin client in every room, don't you? doesn't everybody?) -Rob --- Carl Keil wrote: > Hi Folks, > > 2 Possibly related questions. > > Preamble: The reason I installed a K12ltsp server > in my house was so > that when the time came I could plop a $0-$50 > computer anywhere in the > house and have a decent workstation. My kids use > the one in the living > room and I use it and the one in the kitchen to play > music via mp3's. I > also use the clients to surf the web and check > email, etc. I am > planning on deploying thin clients in the kids' > rooms when they ask for > them. > > Anyway, with the nice whether I'm suddenly struck > with the overpowering > urge to put a client out in the backyard - mainly > for tunes while I'm > gardening, cooking, entertaining and hanging out. I > want it to be a > permanent installation with an amp and speakers. > What are the pitfalls > of doing this? I have no budget for the project, > but I was going to try > to get a cheap cabinet or something (and > weatherproof it to the best of > my ability) to serve as a "shed" for it. But it > can't have a flat panel > or nice cpu, or be a laptop. Does anyone have any > advice for somebody > about to attempt such a thing? ("Don't." Perhaps) > I don't want to > electrocute anyone, start a fire or hurt my network, > etc. There's > already GFCI electrical outlet right where I want to > put it. > > The second question is, does anyone know when fedora > (and therefore > k12ltsp ) is going to support "G" wireless cards? I > installed Fedora > via my trusty K12ltsp 4.4.2 disks on a friends > laptop, but now we're > finding it impossible to get wifi working. I even > tried the ndis > (IIRC) wrapper but I couldn't find the kernel source > in the install to > recompile it. (Probably a sign from the > scandanavian gods that I > shouldn't attempt such a thing.) > > I'm also wondering if a wireless "G" thin client is > possible, therefore > simplifying the outdoor scenario. > > Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Roy at mpk.com Wed May 17 23:11:14 2006 From: Roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:11:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fix for i810 terminals on LTSP 4.2/K12LTSP 5.0 beta In-Reply-To: <4457D4DD.3030205@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <200605172342.k4HNgpwS003096@mx3.redhat.com> It works!!! Thanks Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Angus Carr Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:54 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Fix for i810 terminals on LTSP 4.2/K12LTSP 5.0 beta Eric Harrison wrote: > > I built new ltsp_i386 packages for K12LTSP 5.0 to test out a fix for > i810-based terminals that were not working. It works for me, hopefully > it will work for you ;-) After my RPM DB problems and all, I ended up reinstalling my Beta5 machine, because it wasn't doing updates. I just reinstalled, more or less the defaults, did a yum upgrade, and up pops my i810 terminal. Thanks, Eric. It works. Angus Carr. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed May 17 23:19:16 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:19:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot Message-ID: <20060517161916.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0cf3bdddcd.wbe@email.secureserver.net> exactly, thanks Eric. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot > From: Eric Harrison > Date: Wed, May 17, 2006 4:53 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > I missed updating MaxSessions in gdm.conf in the 5.0 beta (I assume that > is what you are working on). > > Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and in the "[xdmcp]" section add: > > MaxSessions=250 > > You need to restart GDM for this to be active. > > -Eric > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > I have already run into this once, just can't remember the command to > > bring up the configuration interface that controlled how many terminals > > were booting off of the LTSP server. I think that it would allow around > > 15. It may be a WM tool that allows so many clients to run the specific > > WM. I am going to try and dig up the command in past emails. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [K12OSN] default number of clients able to boot > >> From: Eric Harrison > >> Date: Wed, May 17, 2006 4:30 pm > >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >> > >> > >> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > >>> I cannot remeber what the command is to set the number of clients that > >>> are allowed to boot off of the server. Please help... > >>> > >> There is no (should be no) software limit to the number of clients that > >> you can boot. > >> > >> What problems are you seeing and which version of K12LTSP are you > >> working on? > >> > >> > >> -Eric > >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From visentind at hdsb.ca Thu May 18 01:20:23 2006 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:20:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) Message-ID: Howdy Folks, I've been experimenting with Fl_TeacherTool (brilliant Rob!) but cannot monitor the LTSP clients. I cannot even use the vncviewer to view clients. In all cases I get a "connection refused (111)" error. I've run vncpasswd and copied files etc. as per instructions but to no avail. Suggestions? Dan Visentin Head of Business/Computers/IT contact M. M. Robinson H.S. "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From visentind at hdsb.ca Thu May 18 01:43:14 2006 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:43:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mounting a windows share during login through samba Message-ID: In our school we have a few windows labs (with one windows server) and two K12LTSP labs (a total of 56 machines running from one dual opteron server). I would like the students to access their windows personal drive space on the windows server in a seemless manner during the login process on the LTSP client. Each student has a shared mapped resource on the windows domain with the share name based on their username (ie 1smithbri$). I'm a newbie in terms of Linux login scripts so I think I need to do an smbmount but would like the script to use the client's username and password from the login process. Could someone point me in the right direction... Dan Visentin Head of Business/Computers/IT contact M. M. Robinson H.S. "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dalen at czexan.net Thu May 18 02:11:39 2006 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:11:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Outdoor Thin Client (and possibly wireless) In-Reply-To: <446AA4D5.3060207@snarlnet.com> References: <446AA4D5.3060207@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <446BD7DB.2080607@czexan.net> Carl Keil wrote: > Hi Folks, > Anyway, with the nice whether I'm suddenly struck with the overpowering > urge to put a client out in the backyard - mainly for tunes while I'm > gardening, cooking, entertaining and hanging out. I want it to be a > permanent installation with an amp and speakers. Carl, I'll throw out a couple of other ideas. Get a low power fm transmitter connected to audio line out on your streaming server. Then use a stereo receiver to tune into the channel. A friend of mine built a heathkit fm transmitter and used it to play Christmas music for cars that drove by his house looking at his lights/display/etc... Another option would be a networked audio receiver (slimp3 or similar) and powered speakers. Thanks, Dale From les at futuresource.com Thu May 18 02:39:54 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:39:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Outdoor Thin Client (and possibly wireless) In-Reply-To: <446BD7DB.2080607@czexan.net> References: <446AA4D5.3060207@snarlnet.com> <446BD7DB.2080607@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1147919994.32767.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 21:11, Dale Sykora wrote: > > Anyway, with the nice whether I'm suddenly struck with the overpowering > > urge to put a client out in the backyard - mainly for tunes while I'm > > gardening, cooking, entertaining and hanging out. I want it to be a > > permanent installation with an amp and speakers. > > Carl, > I'll throw out a couple of other ideas. Get a low power fm transmitter > connected to audio line out on your streaming server. Then use a stereo > receiver to tune into the channel. A friend of mine built a heathkit fm > transmitter and used it to play Christmas music for cars that drove by > his house looking at his lights/display/etc... They do make wireless speakers if all you want is remote speakers... Or, wireless A/V transmitters/receivers like: http://www.x10.com/entertainment/audio_systems.html#mp3_anywhere if you have a remote amplifier. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca Thu May 18 03:12:57 2006 From: onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca (Onatawahtaw) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Flash install not working In-Reply-To: <446BA789.9020901@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <20060518031257.53547.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've used easyubuntu (on Ubuntu of course), but take a look at the following program, it might work wonders for you: http://easylinux.info/wiki/Fedora_frog Hope this helps, -Kevin --- Joe Guenther wrote: > another little fly in the soup of the 5.0.0 demo > setup ... > > When the Get Flash icon is clicked in the Install > Additional software > ... then loads a terminal to download and install > Macromedia Flash ... > it ends with an error > > ERROR: something went wrong with 'up2date -i --nosig > flash-plugin' > Aborting :-( > > I have already done > yum clean all > > This has happened repeatedly over the last week. I > have not been able to > install Flash on my new 5.0.0 beta demo system. It > would be nice to > have this functional for my demo on Friday afternoon > > Joe Guenther > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ssanders at coin.org Thu May 18 03:16:03 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:16:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Outdoor Thin Client (and possibly wireless) In-Reply-To: <446BD7DB.2080607@czexan.net> References: <446AA4D5.3060207@snarlnet.com> <446BD7DB.2080607@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1147922163.14933.45.camel@bofh.ltsp> I'll go along with Dale on this one. I am a music guy, and something like this is what I have dreamed of for years. I have not used Myth, but I think it would be overkill as well. Basically, I use Madman http://madman.sourceforge.net/ to stream music to the thin clients. I appear to have to use ESD/Gnome instead of ALSA, but this is my main need for audio so that is not a problem. Any thin client in any room (and the garage) can listen to it's own playlist from the common pool of music. A great thing about Madman, is that it is just a 'music manager'. It depends on correct tags, and feeds choices to XMMS in a live playlist. If I want to hear Reggae from 1974 and older, it's just a few clicks away. If I want to hear every song with the word 'angel' in the Artist/Title/Album/Year/Genre/Comments fields it's just a few clicks away. This is all well and good for indoors, but I wanted outdoor choices as well. Madman won't sync multiple clients but can send as many audio streams as you have local bandwidth for. What I did was research low-power (legal) FM transmitters to play through some/many FM radios. Tune every FM radio in the house to the same station, and that gives you the luxury of independent volume levels. The legal limit is I think 100mw (that's only 1/10 of a watt). There are a plethora of *very* low power FM transmitters around, because of the glut of iPods and many portable MP3/CD players. These are mostly intended for vehicle use, where the transmit range is from the car seat two or three feet to the FM antenna of the car radio. These are all over Ebay and your local *Mart on bubble cards for USD $3 on up. A hundredth of a watt won't work for outdoor/home entertainment. After searching a lot, I decided on a C. Crane FM transmitter. It has an external whip antenna, runs the full legal limit of transmit power and has a completely tunable frequency range. Many (most?) of the tiny, antenna-free cheapies have three preset transmit frequencies. You find the one that is least interference-free and use it. It also has .5 increments, so it can tune more precisely than most digital FM receivers. If you search online for XMFan you can find discussion of a potentiometer inside that can be turned up. This is for testing only of the wider Frequency range, of course... The C. Crane is pricey at abt USD $70 retail. For about USD $500 you can get a Ramsey kit that will transmit two watts, and pretty much break every FCC Part 15 law there is. I found mine on Ebay for USD $25, rarely used. The tiny antenna-free transmitters often only operate on AA or AAA batts, the C. Crane has a 12vdv jack as well. So, my outdoor music arrangement consists of putting the C. Crane Transmitter on whatever thin client with a soundcard that is physically closest to the outdoor area. Tune every radio in the house, every car in the driveway, every jambox you can put in the yard to the same freq, and enjoy what you want to hear, at varying volume levels. This is all well and good, but does not address the wifi remote control you mentioned? A nice feature of Madman is that is can optionally run a local web server, and anyoneo on your LAN can connect to it with a browser and search/play/manipulate the playlist. I don't understand the need for a *.G wifi card, unless that's all you have. You can get 200mw *.b wifi cards for USD $9 if you shop around. You don't need the extra bandwidth at all for this use. Boot to a Knoppix disk in a laptop for the deck/garden/patio, and learn how to get wifi working on it with whatever card you are using. Connect to the Madman web server, and you can control the playlist from anywhere within your wifi range (which easily will be greater than the FM broadcast range). There are lots of outdoor speaker choices, if you want something semi-permanent. Build your outdoor enclosure, put a garage-sale FM receiver inside it, and go to Worst Buy or Ebay and get some outdoor speakers. Or you could boot the laptop with 'knoppix 2', get your wifi card working, then at the shell prompt: 'X -query server'. This will give you a regular K12LTSP client login over wifi. From les at futuresource.com Thu May 18 03:43:12 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:43:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Outdoor Thin Client (and possibly wireless) In-Reply-To: <1147922163.14933.45.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <446AA4D5.3060207@snarlnet.com> <446BD7DB.2080607@czexan.net> <1147922163.14933.45.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <1147923792.32767.32.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 22:16, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > Basically, I use Madman http://madman.sourceforge.net/ to stream music > to the thin clients. Another approach would be to use videolan client as both client and server - even if you are just playing audio. It can stream multicast and any number of clients could receive copies simultaneously. Playlist management is just so-so compared to some of the other players, though, but it is as happy playing DVD's as mp3's. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu May 18 04:01:55 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:01:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash install not working In-Reply-To: <20060518031257.53547.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060518031257.53547.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <446BF1B3.9010204@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Thu May 18 06:19:05 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:19:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/17/06, Dan Visentin wrote: > > Howdy Folks, > > I've been experimenting with Fl_TeacherTool (brilliant Rob!) but cannot > monitor the LTSP clients. I cannot even use the vncviewer to view clients. > In all cases I get a "connection refused (111)" error. I've run vncpasswd > and copied files etc. as per instructions but to no avail. > What version of k12ltsp are you using? k12ltsp 5.0 does not work with the monitor/control feature of fl_TT because there is no vnc X extension module compiled in the LBE. I developed fl_TT using k12ltsp 4.2.1EL. Although NO version of k12ltsp has the required module compiled in the LBE, out of sheer luck the required files when copied from the host OS seem to work in 4.2.1EL. That's why I labeled them experimental. PS most lists prefer plain text instead of html -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca Thu May 18 06:48:07 2006 From: onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca (Onatawahtaw) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Flash install not working In-Reply-To: <446BF1B3.9010204@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <20060518064807.65313.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> well, I have not used this program, but I would assume that it gets placed in the main mozilla directory (plug-ins probably), so all users should have automatic use of it. Best way is to try and see. :) -Kevin --- Joe Guenther wrote: --------------------------------- Now that looks very interesting. Would one have to install the flashplugin for each user? or will installing it once install flash for alluser accounts? Joe Guenther Onatawahtaw wrote: I've used easyubuntu (on Ubuntu of course), but take alook at the following program, it might work wondersfor you:http://easylinux.info/wiki/Fedora_frogHope this helps,-Kevin--- Joe Guenther wrote: another little fly in the soup of the 5.0.0 demosetup ...When the Get Flash icon is clicked in the InstallAdditional software ... then loads a terminal to download and installMacromedia Flash ... it ends with an errorERROR: something went wrong with 'up2date -i --nosigflash-plugin'Aborting :-(I have already done yum clean allThis has happened repeatedly over the last week. Ihave not been able to install Flash on my new 5.0.0 beta demo system. Itwould be nice to have this functional for my demo on Friday afternoonJoe Guenther_______________________________________________K12OSN mailing listK12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osnFor more info see __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Seems to be an authentication problem but not sure. PS - I have to use this mail client (FirstClass) for all Board related mail (regulated policy) so apologies for the html text... I can't set the client to do otherwise... Dan Visentin Head of Business/Computers/IT contact M. M. Robinson H.S. "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Thu May 18 20:09:44 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 08:09:44 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] file permissions for different groups? Message-ID: <446CD488.2090901@orcon.net.nz> I have a directory with files inside. I want staff to be able to view it but not write. I want admin group to be able to read or write. Noone else should be able to access it. How do I do that? Also I have a WinXP user who copies files to our samba server. Every time he copies something it is rw only for owner not group. How do I set it up so that when he copies files it is always rw for admin group? Thanks. Krsnendu dasa From aust_txv at access-k12.org Thu May 18 20:15:07 2006 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (Tom Ventresco) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:15:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Way OT: Track all web activity on my network with logging and reports In-Reply-To: References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <446CD5CB.4090507@access-k12.org> Hi, First we implemented about 100 thins this year in 2 buildings. The state of Ohio is even recognizing thin client technology from a funding stand point. Huge huge thank you to Jim and all the people that make K12LTSP possible. Nutshell - 4 servers ( 3.2 GIG P4 with 4gig of RAM and 15k SCSI 320 harddrives (key)) ICEwm, OpenOffice, FireFox, AbiWord, and Email. Oh nvu as well. No down days 100% reliable. Last year I had 3 requests to produce web activity logs of students across a 5000 student district. This year that number has jumped to 87 requests from admins, parents, and law enforcement. I need help. My student (aka super star) created a transparent proxy squid/Dans filter box and its main purpose is to force SafeSearch On google, it works well. I want to force every user on the network to authenticate to use the, filter and block web content, block downloads via extensions, and log activity weekly and archive it. Is this possible with a Squid/Dans setup. I might want to cache individual's cache for this thing called "evidence." About 1400 possible nodes. Would you go multiple boxes ( one at each building ) or one big mean server. The District is on a star topology so one big server is possible. Thank you for your time, Tom Ventresco From les at futuresource.com Thu May 18 20:38:48 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:38:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] file permissions for different groups? In-Reply-To: <446CD488.2090901@orcon.net.nz> References: <446CD488.2090901@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <1147984728.28654.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 15:09, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I have a directory with files inside. > I want staff to be able to view it but not write. > I want admin group to be able to read or write. > Noone else should be able to access it. > > How do I do that? Move it under another directory owned by a group containing all the members of the staff and admin groups and a mode that gives rx permission only to group, none to other. Then the existing directory can be group admin, rwx for group, rx for other and the files group admin, rw group, r other (other in this case being limited to the set that can get past that upper directory). > Also I have a WinXP user who copies files to our samba server. Every > time he copies something it is rw only for owner not group. How do I set > it up so that when he copies files it is always rw for admin group? Samba has it's own settings. In the share definition in /etc/samba/smb.conf you can force group = admin force create mode = 0775 force directory mode = 0775 -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu May 18 20:41:45 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:41:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Way OT: Track all web activity on my network with logging and reports In-Reply-To: <446CD5CB.4090507@access-k12.org> References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <446CD5CB.4090507@access-k12.org> Message-ID: <446CDC09.8090101@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Squid can be configured to force auth against things like LDAP - it's no longer transparent, but each user has to have a login in order to go out to the internet. Depending on how your proxy is set up, you can get a fair amount of detail from the logs. I wouldn't recommend trying to segregate caches per user - the logs of who was authenticated and went where will likely be enough for the evidence folks, and trying to cache all that will be a storage and performance nightmare. One decent machine can handle 1400 nodes without any trouble - iptables is very, very efficient - your bottlenecks will be generating logs and rendering them into something useful. I'm using a SunFire x2100 for 500 nodes, running ipcop with extremely high logging detail as well as ntop, urlfilter (similar to dansguardian, based upon squidguard), VPN etc etc, and the output from the 'uptime' command on the machine at the time of this writing is: 13:38:21 up 25 days, 15:48, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.09, 0.12 As you can see, it's not even breaking a sweat. This uptime includes lots of state-mandated online testing and students doing stuff like downloading music (until I spotted them), so it's been passing plenty of traffic. You could probably get by with such a machine, which costs about a grand when well-configured, or go with something similar or slightly beefier. Good luck finding time to respond to all those log requests... Mike Tom Ventresco wrote: > Hi, > First we implemented about 100 thins this year in 2 buildings. The > state of Ohio is even recognizing thin client technology from a funding > stand point. Huge huge thank you to Jim and all the people that make > K12LTSP possible. Nutshell - 4 servers ( 3.2 GIG P4 with 4gig of RAM > and 15k SCSI 320 harddrives (key)) ICEwm, OpenOffice, FireFox, AbiWord, > and Email. Oh nvu as well. No down days 100% reliable. > > Last year I had 3 requests to produce web activity logs of students > across a 5000 student district. This year that number has jumped to 87 > requests from admins, parents, and law enforcement. I need help. My > student (aka super star) created a transparent proxy squid/Dans filter > box and its main purpose is to force SafeSearch On google, it works > well. I want to force every user on the network to authenticate to > use the, filter and block web content, block downloads via extensions, > and log activity weekly and archive it. Is this possible with a > Squid/Dans setup. I might want to cache individual's cache for this > thing called "evidence." About 1400 possible nodes. Would you go > multiple boxes ( one at each building ) or one big mean server. The > District is on a star topology so one big server is possible. Thank you > for your time, > Tom Ventresco > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu May 18 20:51:11 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:51:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Way OT: Track all web activity on my network with logging and reports In-Reply-To: <446CD5CB.4090507@access-k12.org> References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <446CD5CB.4090507@access-k12.org> Message-ID: <1147985470.28654.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 15:15, Tom Ventresco wrote: > Last year I had 3 requests to produce web activity logs of students > across a 5000 student district. This year that number has jumped to 87 > requests from admins, parents, and law enforcement. I hope you are able to charge back the cost of the time and server use to whoever is making these requests. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Thu May 18 21:13:29 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:13:29 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] file permissions for different groups? In-Reply-To: <1147984728.28654.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <446CD488.2090901@orcon.net.nz> <1147984728.28654.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <446CE379.9050706@orcon.net.nz> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 15:09, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > >>I have a directory with files inside. >>I want staff to be able to view it but not write. >>I want admin group to be able to read or write. >>Noone else should be able to access it. >> >>How do I do that? >> >> > >Move it under another directory owned by a group containing >all the members of the staff and admin groups and a mode >that gives rx permission only to group, none to other. Then >the existing directory can be group admin, rwx for group, >rx for other and the files group admin, rw group, r other >(other in this case being limited to the set that can get past >that upper directory). > > > >>Also I have a WinXP user who copies files to our samba server. Every >>time he copies something it is rw only for owner not group. How do I set >>it up so that when he copies files it is always rw for admin group? >> >> > >Samba has it's own settings. In the share definition in >/etc/samba/smb.conf you can >force group = admin >force create mode = 0775 >force directory mode = 0775 > > > Thanks. From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Thu May 18 21:50:06 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:50:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Outdoor Thin Client (and possibly wireless) In-Reply-To: <446AA4D5.3060207@snarlnet.com> References: <446AA4D5.3060207@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <20060518175006.1da66677@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 16 May 2006 21:21:41 -0700 Carl Keil wrote: > Hi Folks, > > 2 Possibly related questions. > > Preamble: The reason I installed a K12ltsp server in my house was so > that when the time came I could plop a $0-$50 computer anywhere in the > > house and have a decent workstation. My kids use the one in the > living room and I use it and the one in the kitchen to play music via > mp3's. I also use the clients to surf the web and check email, etc. > I am planning on deploying thin clients in the kids' rooms when they > ask for them. > I have done the same thing in my home. (but with LTSP and Debian - started with K12LTSP when I first did it in the classroom). Have 3 computers that act as clients for the kids and wife, and then my machine is also the server. The best part, the clients are all "throw aways" from friends and families. Anyway... Someone mentioned MythTV ... My suggestion would be GeexBoX. GeexBoX has a lower software need. and since it can boot from the CD, will be able to use some wireless cards. Check the site and get a wireless card that will work. Then you might have to change the ISO some. Then you can set up your outdoor computer, and leave the CD in the machine. When you turn on the machine, it will boot off the CD, then with a keyboard or a remote you can navigate the menu and play music, video, picture slide shows, etc. Any media you might want. -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu May 18 23:19:02 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Outdoor Thin Client (and possibly wireless) In-Reply-To: <1147923792.32767.32.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20060518231902.24062.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Let's not forget the extremely low-tech method of hooking up 2 sets of speakers to an indoor receiver (and mounting one of the sets of speakers outside). -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 19 00:16:00 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] boot menu for LTSP? Message-ID: <20060519001600.82985.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is there any way to configure LTSP to show the thin client a grub-like menu of boot choices? I recently discovered that both Fedora and Ubuntu have special pxeboot images that you can use to boot off a server and perform a network install of the operating system. I'd like for my server to provide me with a choice of 1) booting LTSP, 2) net-installing Fedora, or 3) net-installing Ubuntu. Is it possible? I know I could hand-configure dhcpd.conf to provide the network install kernels each time I want to use them, but it would be really nice to simply choose them from a boot menu. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jam at mcquil.com Fri May 19 00:21:46 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 20:21:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] boot menu for LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20060519001600.82985.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060519001600.82985.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <446D0F9A.3050109@McQuil.com> Rob Owens wrote: > Is there any way to configure LTSP to show the thin > client a grub-like menu of boot choices? > > Sure, pxelinux.0 offers that ability. It's more like lilo that grub, but it still works. You'd have to look for some docs on pxelinux to see how to setup the config file, but as I recall, it's not all that hard. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > I recently discovered that both Fedora and Ubuntu have > special pxeboot images that you can use to boot off a > server and perform a network install of the operating > system. I'd like for my server to provide me with a > choice of 1) booting LTSP, 2) net-installing Fedora, > or 3) net-installing Ubuntu. > > Is it possible? I know I could hand-configure > dhcpd.conf to provide the network install kernels each > time I want to use them, but it would be really nice > to simply choose them from a boot menu. > > -Rob > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri May 19 11:31:56 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 06:31:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] shell script to remove contents of several files Message-ID: <1148038316.2123.6.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello All, Due to the fact ,that I am not smart enough, would someone be able to give an example of a shell script that would remove the contents of each users, email folder,( but of course leave the user's folder on the system). I'm wanting to "clean out" everyone's email at the end of the school year. In other words something like delete contents of /var/mail/allusers. I'm not sure of correct syntax of "rm" or "shred" Thanks again, Barry Cisna From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri May 19 11:53:53 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 07:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] shell script to remove contents of several files In-Reply-To: <1148038316.2123.6.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1148038316.2123.6.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <59560.70.33.151.214.1148039633.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> you could cd /var /mail or something and ls>/tmp/users to get a list of people then read em one at a time cat /tmp/users|while read userdude ;do rm -rf some stuff from $userdude echo "removing junkies from $userdude" done roub but you can adapt iy to suit > Hello All, > > Due to the fact ,that I am not smart enough, would someone be able to > give an example of a shell script that would remove the contents of each > users, email folder,( but of course leave the user's folder on the > system). I'm wanting to "clean out" everyone's email at the end of the > school year. > In other words something like delete contents > of /var/mail/allusers. > I'm not sure of correct syntax of "rm" or "shred" > > Thanks again, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From olle at paalalinn.com Fri May 19 12:38:28 2006 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:38:28 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] shell script to remove contents of several files In-Reply-To: <1148038316.2123.6.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1148038316.2123.6.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <446DBC44.6080800@paalalinn.com> My example, save it to filename.txt and chmod +x filename.txt and modify it to your needs. copy all lines between ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ #!/bin/sh # # A simple script to remove all you want to remove. # cd /home for user in `ls -d *` do echo "Deleting all old office from user folder $user" cd $user rm -r -f .rhopenoffice1.1 rm -r -f .openoffice rm -r -f OpenOffice rm -r -f OpenOffice.org1.1.0 rm -r -f OpenOffice.org1.1.1 rm -r -f OpenOffice.org1.1.2 rm -r -f OpenOffice.org1.1.3 cd .. done -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Cisna wrote: >Hello All, > >Due to the fact ,that I am not smart enough, would someone be able to >give an example of a shell script that would remove the contents of each >users, email folder,( but of course leave the user's folder on the >system). I'm wanting to "clean out" everyone's email at the end of the >school year. >In other words something like delete contents >of /var/mail/allusers. >I'm not sure of correct syntax of "rm" or "shred" > >Thanks again, > >Barry Cisna > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 19 13:30:59 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 08:30:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] shell script to remove contents of several files In-Reply-To: <1148038316.2123.6.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1148038316.2123.6.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <446DC893.5060702@maltzen.net> If each user's mail is stored in a single file that is the same name as the user ID--that is, Bob's mail file is called bob--you could do something like this: for x in $(ls /var/mail/allusers/) do >/var/mail/allusers/${x} done This will reduce each file in /var/mail/allusers/ to zero bytes (notice the > at the beginning of the third line) without removing the file itself. If each user's mail is made up of multiple files stored within a single respective directory--that is, Bob's mail is multiple files stored in /var/mail/allusers/bob--you could do this: for x in $(ls /var/mail/allusers/) do rm -rf /var/mail/allusers/${x}/* done I avoid using cd commands with rm because if the cd command fails on one directory--say the directory has spaces or other unusual characteristics--it won't prevent the rm command from running and it could mistakenly wipe out your whole parent directory; better to use the full path in the rm command. Petre Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello All, > > Due to the fact ,that I am not smart enough, would someone be able to > give an example of a shell script that would remove the contents of each > users, email folder,( but of course leave the user's folder on the > system). I'm wanting to "clean out" everyone's email at the end of the > school year. > In other words something like delete contents > of /var/mail/allusers. > I'm not sure of correct syntax of "rm" or "shred" > > Thanks again, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aust_txv at access-k12.org Fri May 19 14:45:37 2006 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (Tom Ventresco) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:45:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Way OT: Track all web activity on my network with logging and reports In-Reply-To: <446CDC09.8090101@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <446CD5CB.4090507@access-k12.org> <446CDC09.8090101@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <446DDA11.2040007@access-k12.org> >> running ipcop >>I hope you are able to charge back the cost of the time and server use to whoever is making these requests. Thanks Mike and Les. I use IPCop now in locations where I need a little "separation." I honestly had no idea that IPCop could scale that big. LOL "charge back..." you guys picked up on the time issue way to quickly :). I am going to test out my current box (squid/Dans) and an IPCop box before school gets out. If you see a huge mushroom cloud in the area of northeast Ohio you will know the experiment did not go very well. :D Thank you, Tom Ventresco From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri May 19 15:05:44 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:05:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Way OT: Track all web activity on my network with logging=?ISO-8859-1?Q? and_?= report In-Reply-To: <446CD5CB.4090507@access-k12.org> References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > < > <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> < > <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <446CD5CB.4090507@access-k12.org> Message-ID: SME server with the dungog-dansguardian module can already do this. Yes....the dungog module does cost, but it's wicked reasonable and it's solely to support a guy for his "coding" time. SME server is a CentOS server....no GUI...uses a web interface....very slick...I use a bunch of them. The interface for DG is awesome! And....there is a log reader parser that is very slick. You can easily set it up so that all users need to log in to authenticate to use the internet....and you can do this by groups as well.....I have a staff group, a student group, and an admin (unfiltered) group. You can also unfilter workstations or ban workstations and users...etc. You can filter by groups in a manner where one group is filtered more harshly than another. I have mine set up so all users need to log in to use the internet. This makes tracking very easy. It is also set up so that everything is transparently proxied no matter what....however if they have browser settings (proxy) then they can log in to the internet and browse according to their user groups privileges. Otherwise if the machine does not have browser settings then they are filtered at the "default" level....and my default is VERY harshly filtered to make people WANT to log in. But either way...I'm covered. The blacklists are Eric's publicly exported blacklists. SME server is free http://www.contribs.org (very cool server....does a lot of things).....the dungog module is quite cheap....http://www.dungog.net/sme and sets up easy via YUM As for the logging....I can go into the system....type in a username.....a time period....and get a list of all activity....denied activity...allowed....etc. very nice to have.....this year we used it once to get ourselves off the hook....a parent accused us of letting a kid get on to naughty sites and save pics to a disk. That didn't fit as neither the laptops or the thin-clients have disk drives, but I was able essentially prove that he'd never visited that site at school....he eventually admitted to doing it at home. :-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 4:15 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi, >First we implemented about 100 thins this year in 2 buildings. The >state of Ohio is even recognizing thin client technology from a funding >stand point. Huge huge thank you to Jim and all the people that make >K12LTSP possible. Nutshell - 4 servers ( 3.2 GIG P4 with 4gig of RAM >and 15k SCSI 320 harddrives (key)) ICEwm, OpenOffice, FireFox, AbiWord, >and Email. Oh nvu as well. No down days 100% reliable. > >Last year I had 3 requests to produce web activity logs of students >across a 5000 student district. This year that number has jumped to 87 >requests from admins, parents, and law enforcement. I need help. My >student (aka super star) created a transparent proxy squid/Dans filter >box and its main purpose is to force SafeSearch On google, it works >well. I want to force every user on the network to authenticate to >use the, filter and block web content, block downloads via extensions, >and log activity weekly and archive it. Is this possible with a >Squid/Dans setup. I might want to cache individual's cache for this >thing called "evidence." About 1400 possible nodes. Would you go >multiple boxes ( one at each building ) or one big mean server. The >District is on a star topology so one big server is possible. >Thank you for your time, >Tom Ventresco David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri May 19 15:12:13 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:12:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Way OT: Track all web activity on my network with logging and report In-Reply-To: References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <446CD5CB.4090507@access-k12.org> Message-ID: <464c38cc0605190812x5a7acf86gddc84189dafb468e@mail.gmail.com> I would have to agree and add my positive feedback to both SME and dungog. But most importantly I had to laugh out loud that David called it "wicked reasonable." Wicked funny. I love being from Maine. ;) On 5/19/06, David Trask wrote: > SME server with the dungog-dansguardian module can already do this. > Yes....the dungog module does cost, but it's wicked reasonable and it's > solely to support a guy for his "coding" time. SME server is a CentOS > server....no GUI...uses a web interface....very slick...I use a bunch of > them. The interface for DG is awesome! And....there is a log reader > parser that is very slick. You can easily set it up so that all users > need to log in to authenticate to use the internet....and you can do this > by groups as well.....I have a staff group, a student group, and an admin > (unfiltered) group. You can also unfilter workstations or ban > workstations and users...etc. You can filter by groups in a manner where > one group is filtered more harshly than another. I have mine set up so > all users need to log in to use the internet. This makes tracking very > easy. It is also set up so that everything is transparently proxied no > matter what....however if they have browser settings (proxy) then they can > log in to the internet and browse according to their user groups > privileges. Otherwise if the machine does not have browser settings then > they are filtered at the "default" level....and my default is VERY harshly > filtered to make people WANT to log in. But either way...I'm covered. > The blacklists are Eric's publicly exported blacklists. SME server is > free http://www.contribs.org (very cool server....does a lot of > things).....the dungog module is quite cheap....http://www.dungog.net/sme > and sets up easy via YUM > > As for the logging....I can go into the system....type in a username.....a > time period....and get a list of all activity....denied > activity...allowed....etc. very nice to have.....this year we used it > once to get ourselves off the hook....a parent accused us of letting a kid > get on to naughty sites and save pics to a disk. That didn't fit as > neither the laptops or the thin-clients have disk drives, but I was able > essentially prove that he'd never visited that site at school....he > eventually admitted to doing it at home. :-) > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 4:15 PM +0000 wrote: > >Hi, > >First we implemented about 100 thins this year in 2 buildings. The > >state of Ohio is even recognizing thin client technology from a funding > >stand point. Huge huge thank you to Jim and all the people that make > >K12LTSP possible. Nutshell - 4 servers ( 3.2 GIG P4 with 4gig of RAM > >and 15k SCSI 320 harddrives (key)) ICEwm, OpenOffice, FireFox, AbiWord, > >and Email. Oh nvu as well. No down days 100% reliable. > > > >Last year I had 3 requests to produce web activity logs of students > >across a 5000 student district. This year that number has jumped to 87 > >requests from admins, parents, and law enforcement. I need help. My > >student (aka super star) created a transparent proxy squid/Dans filter > >box and its main purpose is to force SafeSearch On google, it works > >well. I want to force every user on the network to authenticate to > >use the, filter and block web content, block downloads via extensions, > >and log activity weekly and archive it. Is this possible with a > >Squid/Dans setup. I might want to cache individual's cache for this > >thing called "evidence." About 1400 possible nodes. Would you go > >multiple boxes ( one at each building ) or one big mean server. The > >District is on a star topology so one big server is possible. > >Thank you for your time, > >Tom Ventresco > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aust_txv at access-k12.org Fri May 19 15:35:40 2006 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (Tom Ventresco) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:35:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Way OT: Track all web activity on my network with logging=?ISO-8859-1?Q? and_?= report In-Reply-To: References: <44635CCF.209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4467B60B.2070904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <4468A8F8.40502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <446CD5CB.4090507@access-k12.org> Message-ID: <446DE5CC.4030704@access-k12.org> David Trask wrote: >SME server with the dungog-dansguardian module can already do this. >Yes....the dungog module does cost, but it's wicked reasonable and it's >solely to support a guy for his "coding" time. SME server is a CentOS >server....no GUI...uses a web interface....very slick... > > David you already sold me on the SME server 2 years ago, I still use it in 2 buildings :) And I certainly don't mind mixing free and paid for software - I prefer it. I will add SME to the test bench. I have yet to try out the SME 7 CentOS. Thank you, Tom Ventresco From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Fri May 19 15:46:22 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 08:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Way OT: Track all web activity on my network with logging and report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060519154622.82905.qmail@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You might also want to check out Censornet (www.censornet.com) which also uses Dansguardian for its filtering. Also no gui... it uses a web-based interface. Ours is configured to force everyone to authenicate before allowing Internet access. Through its web interface, you can generate web activity reports for specific users, specific sites, or just a list any accesses to banned/filtered-out sites. Another feature I like is that it by default blocks network adapter MACs that it doesn't recognize. David Whitmer Media and Technology Director Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) From les at futuresource.com Fri May 19 16:23:28 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:23:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] boot menu for LTSP? In-Reply-To: <446D0F9A.3050109@McQuil.com> References: <20060519001600.82985.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <446D0F9A.3050109@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <1148055808.10173.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 19:21, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > > Is there any way to configure LTSP to show the thin > > client a grub-like menu of boot choices? > > > > > > Sure, pxelinux.0 offers that ability. > > It's more like lilo that grub, but it still works. > > You'd have to look for some docs on pxelinux to see how to setup the > config file, but as I recall, it's not all that hard. Is there a way to do this when booting from an etherboot floppy? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From veewee77 at alltel.net Fri May 19 17:13:09 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:13:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] shell script to remove contents of several files In-Reply-To: <1148038316.2123.6.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1148038316.2123.6.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <446DFCA5.7060803@alltel.net> Don't actually try this until you get a second opinion, but. . . find /home/*/mail/ -name * -exec rm -rf {} \; This should find every mail directory under /home and drop into the mail folder there and rm -f the contents. This will likely clear address books and everything, so use with caution. . . This assumes you are running linux and are using pine conventions for mail (We use NeoMail which uses pine conventions). Any others with other opinions? A way to test the script to see if it finds the right stuff is to run the find and don't add the -exec and on. Doug Barry Cisna wrote: >Hello All, > >Due to the fact ,that I am not smart enough, would someone be able to >give an example of a shell script that would remove the contents of each >users, email folder,( but of course leave the user's folder on the >system). I'm wanting to "clean out" everyone's email at the end of the >school year. >In other words something like delete contents >of /var/mail/allusers. >I'm not sure of correct syntax of "rm" or "shred" > >Thanks again, > >Barry Cisna > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dgough at papcs.com Fri May 19 16:58:53 2006 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:58:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Way OT: Track all web activity on my network with logging and report In-Reply-To: <446DE5CC.4030704@access-k12.org> Message-ID: I'm a huge fan of Censornet. We've used it for 3 years in our school. I've had it running on basic workstation hardware ranging from a 500MHz P3 with 512MB of ram and an ide drive to a 2.4MHz P4 with a gig of ram and a scsi drive. It's been solid aside from a few know bugs that were corrected quickly, and the auditing abilities are truly great. We have 400 workstations and probably half of them are on the internet and any given time. There has never been any performance issues attributable to the Censornet server. Hope that helps. Doug Gough Pacific Academy http://pacificacademy.net On 5/19/06 8:35 AM, "Tom Ventresco" wrote: > David Trask wrote: > >> SME server with the dungog-dansguardian module can already do this. >> Yes....the dungog module does cost, but it's wicked reasonable and it's >> solely to support a guy for his "coding" time. SME server is a CentOS >> server....no GUI...uses a web interface....very slick... >> >> > David you already sold me on the SME server 2 years ago, I still use it > in 2 buildings :) And I certainly don't mind mixing free and paid for > software - I prefer it. I will add SME to the test bench. 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URL: From trond at maehlum.net Fri May 19 20:54:11 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 22:54:11 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446E3073.4070706@maehlum.net> Robert Arkiletian skrev: > On 5/17/06, Dan Visentin wrote: >> >> Howdy Folks, >> >> I've been experimenting with Fl_TeacherTool (brilliant Rob!) but cannot >> monitor the LTSP clients. I cannot even use the vncviewer to view >> clients. >> In all cases I get a "connection refused (111)" error. I've run >> vncpasswd >> and copied files etc. as per instructions but to no avail. >> > > What version of k12ltsp are you using? k12ltsp 5.0 does not work with > the monitor/control feature of fl_TT because there is no vnc X > extension module compiled in the LBE. I developed fl_TT using k12ltsp > 4.2.1EL. Although NO version of k12ltsp has the required module > compiled in the LBE, out of sheer luck the required files when copied > from the host OS seem to work in 4.2.1EL. That's why I labeled them > experimental. Robert and Dan, This also works on K12LTSP 4.4.x. It seems that it will work on all installations of LTSP4.1 that I have tried. Sadly, it does not work on LTSP4.2 for now. I am one of many (I think) that will not let go of this feature. I have tried it on the new Ubuntu and Skolelinux ltsp as well. I would suspect it to be much easier when you can chroot into the ltsp-tree and apt-get install vnc4server. Sadly I haven't been able to get it working there either. There's too many changes in ltsp, so the how-to doesn't apply to get the vncserver started at login on the terminal. Regards Trond Maehlum > PS most lists prefer plain text instead of html From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 19 21:46:53 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] boot menu for LTSP? In-Reply-To: <1148055808.10173.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20060519214653.45328.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Les, The latest version of rom-o-matic states in the release notes that PXE network booting is now supported. I assume this means the answer to your question is yes, but I could be wrong. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > Is there a way to do this when booting from an > etherboot > floppy? > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From robark at gmail.com Fri May 19 22:07:34 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:07:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: <446E3073.4070706@maehlum.net> References: <446E3073.4070706@maehlum.net> Message-ID: On 5/19/06, Trond M?hlum wrote: > Robert Arkiletian skrev: > > On 5/17/06, Dan Visentin wrote: > >> > >> Howdy Folks, > >> > >> I've been experimenting with Fl_TeacherTool (brilliant Rob!) but cannot > >> monitor the LTSP clients. I cannot even use the vncviewer to view > >> clients. > >> In all cases I get a "connection refused (111)" error. I've run > >> vncpasswd > >> and copied files etc. as per instructions but to no avail. > >> > > > > What version of k12ltsp are you using? k12ltsp 5.0 does not work with > > the monitor/control feature of fl_TT because there is no vnc X > > extension module compiled in the LBE. I developed fl_TT using k12ltsp > > 4.2.1EL. Although NO version of k12ltsp has the required module > > compiled in the LBE, out of sheer luck the required files when copied > > from the host OS seem to work in 4.2.1EL. That's why I labeled them > > experimental. > > Robert and Dan, > > This also works on K12LTSP 4.4.x. It seems that it will work on all > installations of LTSP4.1 that I have tried. Sadly, it does not work on > LTSP4.2 for now. I am one of many (I think) that will not let go of this > feature. > > I have tried it on the new Ubuntu and Skolelinux ltsp as well. I would > suspect it to be much easier when you can chroot into the ltsp-tree and > apt-get install vnc4server. Sadly I haven't been able to get it working > there either. There's too many changes in ltsp, so the how-to doesn't > apply to get the vncserver started at login on the terminal. > Hopefully Eric or Jim will provide an rpm to add the necessary libraries to the LBE, if enough people request it. Fl_TT is useful for more than just teachers. Perhaps Jim will decide to add it to LTSP as it does provide a solution for some of the desired future functionality of LTSP's roadmap. eg broadcasting, shadowing, etc -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 19 22:53:24 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:53:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: <446E3073.4070706@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 5/19/06, Trond M?hlum wrote: >> Robert Arkiletian skrev: >> > On 5/17/06, Dan Visentin wrote: >> >> >> >> Howdy Folks, >> >> >> >> I've been experimenting with Fl_TeacherTool (brilliant Rob!) but >> cannot >> >> monitor the LTSP clients. I cannot even use the vncviewer to view >> >> clients. >> >> In all cases I get a "connection refused (111)" error. I've run >> >> vncpasswd >> >> and copied files etc. as per instructions but to no avail. >> >> >> > >> > What version of k12ltsp are you using? k12ltsp 5.0 does not work with >> > the monitor/control feature of fl_TT because there is no vnc X >> > extension module compiled in the LBE. I developed fl_TT using k12ltsp >> > 4.2.1EL. Although NO version of k12ltsp has the required module >> > compiled in the LBE, out of sheer luck the required files when copied >> > from the host OS seem to work in 4.2.1EL. That's why I labeled them >> > experimental. >> >> Robert and Dan, >> >> This also works on K12LTSP 4.4.x. It seems that it will work on all >> installations of LTSP4.1 that I have tried. Sadly, it does not work on >> LTSP4.2 for now. I am one of many (I think) that will not let go of this >> feature. >> >> I have tried it on the new Ubuntu and Skolelinux ltsp as well. I would >> suspect it to be much easier when you can chroot into the ltsp-tree and >> apt-get install vnc4server. Sadly I haven't been able to get it working >> there either. There's too many changes in ltsp, so the how-to doesn't >> apply to get the vncserver started at login on the terminal. >> > > Hopefully Eric or Jim will provide an rpm to add the necessary > libraries to the LBE, if enough people request it. > Fl_TT is useful for more than just teachers. Perhaps Jim will decide > to add it to LTSP as it does provide a solution for some of the > desired future functionality of LTSP's roadmap. eg broadcasting, > shadowing, etc I managed to build a working binary. Still much work to do in order to package it up & provide patches for Jim & the LTSP crew. But for those of you who want to test it out, here is the quick-and-dirty instructions: ============================================================= 4. Optional: Step 4 is only required to enable the experimental support to Monitor and Control. Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf Fine the line X4_MODULE_01=glx and change it to: X4_MODULE_01 = vnc Then edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg and add the following between (Secton "Screen") and (EndSubSection), so it looks like this: Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "My Video Card" Monitor "My Monitor" DefaultDepth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} Subsection "Display" Depth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} Modes ${MODE[*]} #========================================= # Added to enable Monitor/Control in Fl_TeacherTool Option "httpdir" "/usr/share/vnc/classes" Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd" Option "rfbport" "5900" Option "usevnc" #========================================= EndSubSection EndSection Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this command as root: #/usr/bin/vncpasswd Choose a password and copy the password file into the ltsp-tree #cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ Now you must copy the vnc-module into the ltsp-tree: # cd /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ # wget ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/vnc-for-ltsp42/vnc.so Reboot the clients and the new Monitor/Control buttons in Fl_TeacherTool should work. From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sat May 20 01:21:55 2006 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:21:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] shell script to remove contents of several files Message-ID: <1148088116.587.10.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Thanks to everyone that gave suggestions on my request. I tried all of the scripts, and couldn't get any of the scripts to remove the contents of each user's email file under their email folder. I tried modding each script to just remove for one user as well and still no joy. This is the path where the email directory/file resides: /var/mail/userxyz/userxyz.file One file holds all the "stuff" for emails. I'm not sure how postfix/doevcot writes the files into the home folders either? I know there is an .imap folder as well which i dont think needs to be touched to do what I am wanting to do. This is FC3 build of K12LTSP. Thanks again, Barry Cisna From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat May 20 02:08:19 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:08:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] shell script to remove contents of several files Message-ID: <1148090900.8007.1.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Thanks to everyone that gave suggestions on my request. I tried all of the scripts, and couldn't get any of the scripts to remove the contents of each user's email file under their email folder. I tried modding each script to just remove for one user as well and still no joy. This is the path where the email directory/file resides: /var/mail/userxyz/userxyz.file One file holds all the "stuff" for emails. I'm not sure how postfix/doevcot writes the files into the home folders either? I know there is an .imap folder as well which i dont think needs to be touched to do what I am wanting to do. This is FC3 build of K12LTSP. Thanks again, Barry Cisna From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat May 20 10:42:27 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 06:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] shell script to remove contents of several files In-Reply-To: <1148090900.8007.1.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> References: <1148090900.8007.1.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <55656.24.91.63.45.1148121747.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> fwiw. #!/bin/bash ls -l /var/mail>/tmp/users exit #see if you get all users like that then remove the exit cat /tmp/users|while read usedude;do echo $userdude ls /var/mail/$userdude/$userdude.* sleep 5 done exit #check this to see which file needs removing then replace the * with the sufix.run again to be sure it picks out the right file thenremove the exit # when you are sure it picks the right file put this in theloop #rm /var/mail/$userdude/$userdude.correctsuffix #this is not pretty or elegant or efficient but gives you a lt of control what happens From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat May 20 12:17:05 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 07:17:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] shell script to remove contents of several files Message-ID: <1148127425.18696.6.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hello Cliebow, Thanks for the scripts. The first script, only dumps >root< as the "users" into the tmp folder? I tried this as root & as user joeschmoe.I'm dead in the water ,thereafter. I'll keep fingers crossed!. Have a good weekend. Stay away from the puter for a while:). Barry Cisna From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat May 20 13:36:57 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 08:36:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client Message-ID: <1148132217.18696.23.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Howdy All, Just thought I'd throw this out. Maybe most have seen/heard of these ?This rig looks like it would be the cat's meow for a school scenario. All three models are PoE compliant,This would be a God's send in itself, if you are like our school with "not enough power outlets" in each room.All would have to be done is have all PoE compliant switches,which can be had for about $310 for a 24 port with gig uplinks.Get rid of all of the power cord mumbo-jumbo/spaghetti. Think of it ,no knobs or edges or buttons for the kids to tear off :) The only trick would be to see if the AMD Alchemy video would be able to work? I talked to a distributor for these and he told me they are now available in the states. They were having troubles with the voltages,on the prototypes brought here to the states, as these are manufactured in the Middle East. He told me that his company fitted these ,several hundred into a new corporate offices,and works very well. But they were RDP'ing to WTS server. they only require 5w of power which would be sweet as well. 0 noise & probably almost 0 heat output. It's worth taking a look at it, when you have time. http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/ Take Care, Barry Cisna From robark at gmail.com Sat May 20 16:11:02 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:11:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client In-Reply-To: <1148132217.18696.23.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> References: <1148132217.18696.23.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: On 5/20/06, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Howdy All, > > Just thought I'd throw this out. Maybe most have seen/heard of > these ?This rig looks like it would be the cat's meow for a school > scenario. All three models are PoE compliant,This would be a God's send > in itself, if you are like our school with "not enough power outlets" in > each room.All would have to be done is have all PoE compliant > switches,which can be had for about $310 for a 24 port with gig > uplinks.Get rid of all of the power cord mumbo-jumbo/spaghetti. > Think of it ,no knobs or edges or buttons for the kids to tear off :) > The only trick would be to see if the AMD Alchemy video would be able to > work? I talked to a distributor for these and he told me they are now > available in the states. They were having troubles with the voltages,on > the prototypes brought here to the states, as these are manufactured in > the Middle East. He told me that his company fitted these ,several > hundred into a new corporate offices,and works very well. But they were > RDP'ing to WTS server. > they only require 5w of power which would be sweet as well. 0 noise & > probably almost 0 heat output. > It's worth taking a look at it, when you have time. > > http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/ Pretty cool. Too bad they are geared towards RDP and Windows. Also don't forget you still need a power outlet for your monitor power cord. Plus, I would guess most classrooms ethernet jacks are not close enough to the workstation so that the keyboard, mouse and video cable would reach the users. You would probably need extensions for all of the above, creating a cable mess again. But they are nice in terms of theft prevention. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Sat May 20 16:22:24 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:22:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <446E3073.4070706@maehlum.net> <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 5/19/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > I managed to build a working binary. Still much work to do in order to > package it up & provide patches for Jim & the LTSP crew. > > But for those of you who want to test it out, here is the > quick-and-dirty instructions: > > ============================================================= > > 4. Optional: Step 4 is only required to enable the experimental support > to Monitor and Control. > > Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > Fine the line X4_MODULE_01=glx and change it to: > > X4_MODULE_01 = vnc > > Then edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > and add the following between (Secton "Screen") and > (EndSubSection), so it looks > like this: > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "My Video Card" > Monitor "My Monitor" > DefaultDepth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} > Subsection "Display" > Depth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} > Modes ${MODE[*]} > #========================================= > # Added to enable Monitor/Control in Fl_TeacherTool > Option "httpdir" "/usr/share/vnc/classes" > Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd" > Option "rfbport" "5900" > Option "usevnc" > #========================================= > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this > command as root: > > #/usr/bin/vncpasswd > > Choose a password and copy the password file into the ltsp-tree > > #cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ > > Now you must copy the vnc-module into the ltsp-tree: > > # cd /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ > # wget ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/vnc-for-ltsp42/vnc.so > > Reboot the clients and the new Monitor/Control buttons in > Fl_TeacherTool should work. Awesome! Thanks Eric. I'll try it out. If people are able to use the control/monitor feature without issue then I will release another version of fl_TT that removes the experimental labeling. Thanks again Eric. K12LTSP seems to have the magic that other LTSP distros are aspiring towards. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From trond at maehlum.net Sat May 20 16:55:05 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 18:55:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <446E3073.4070706@maehlum.net> <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <446F49E9.1070502@maehlum.net> Eric Harrison skrev: > Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On 5/19/06, Trond M?hlum wrote: >>> Robert Arkiletian skrev: >>>> On 5/17/06, Dan Visentin wrote: >>>>> Howdy Folks, >>>>> >>>>> I've been experimenting with Fl_TeacherTool (brilliant Rob!) but >>> cannot >>>>> monitor the LTSP clients. I cannot even use the vncviewer to view >>>>> clients. >>>>> In all cases I get a "connection refused (111)" error. I've run >>>>> vncpasswd >>>>> and copied files etc. as per instructions but to no avail. >>>>> >>>> What version of k12ltsp are you using? k12ltsp 5.0 does not work with >>>> the monitor/control feature of fl_TT because there is no vnc X >>>> extension module compiled in the LBE. I developed fl_TT using k12ltsp >>>> 4.2.1EL. Although NO version of k12ltsp has the required module >>>> compiled in the LBE, out of sheer luck the required files when copied >>>> from the host OS seem to work in 4.2.1EL. That's why I labeled them >>>> experimental. >>> Robert and Dan, >>> >>> This also works on K12LTSP 4.4.x. It seems that it will work on all >>> installations of LTSP4.1 that I have tried. Sadly, it does not work on >>> LTSP4.2 for now. I am one of many (I think) that will not let go of this >>> feature. >>> >>> I have tried it on the new Ubuntu and Skolelinux ltsp as well. I would >>> suspect it to be much easier when you can chroot into the ltsp-tree and >>> apt-get install vnc4server. Sadly I haven't been able to get it working >>> there either. There's too many changes in ltsp, so the how-to doesn't >>> apply to get the vncserver started at login on the terminal. >>> >> Hopefully Eric or Jim will provide an rpm to add the necessary >> libraries to the LBE, if enough people request it. >> Fl_TT is useful for more than just teachers. Perhaps Jim will decide >> to add it to LTSP as it does provide a solution for some of the >> desired future functionality of LTSP's roadmap. eg broadcasting, >> shadowing, etc > > > I managed to build a working binary. Still much work to do in order to > package it up & provide patches for Jim & the LTSP crew. > > But for those of you who want to test it out, here is the > quick-and-dirty instructions: > > ============================================================= > > 4. Optional: Step 4 is only required to enable the experimental support > to Monitor and Control. > > Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > Fine the line X4_MODULE_01=glx and change it to: > > X4_MODULE_01 = vnc > > Then edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > and add the following between (Secton "Screen") and > (EndSubSection), so it looks > like this: > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "My Video Card" > Monitor "My Monitor" > DefaultDepth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} > Subsection "Display" > Depth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} > Modes ${MODE[*]} > #========================================= > # Added to enable Monitor/Control in Fl_TeacherTool > Option "httpdir" "/usr/share/vnc/classes" > Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd" > Option "rfbport" "5900" > Option "usevnc" > #========================================= > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this > command as root: > > #/usr/bin/vncpasswd > > Choose a password and copy the password file into the ltsp-tree > > #cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ > > Now you must copy the vnc-module into the ltsp-tree: > > # cd /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ > # wget ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/vnc-for-ltsp42/vnc.so > > Reboot the clients and the new Monitor/Control buttons in > Fl_TeacherTool should work. EXCELLENT! :) Can't wait to try this out on monday. Trond > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Sat May 20 17:35:01 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:35:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: <446E3073.4070706@maehlum.net> <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060520133501.5f047c98.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Sat, 20 May 2006 09:22:24 -0700 "Robert Arkiletian" wrote: > On 5/19/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I managed to build a working binary. Still much work to do in order to > > package it up & provide patches for Jim & the LTSP crew. > > > Awesome! Thanks Eric. I'll try it out. If people are able to use the > control/monitor feature without issue then I will release another > version of fl_TT that removes the experimental labeling. > > Thanks again Eric. K12LTSP seems to have the magic that other LTSP > distros are aspiring towards. > Thanks Eric and Robert! I saw Eric's announcement last evening and tried it out at home. Everything seems to work except for keyboard input when in Control mode, mouse input is fine. For example, I began this reply from the terminal, launched Fl_teachertool as root from the server and took control of the terminal. I added a few words to the reply, then launched a command line Gnome terminal. At that point, I lost keyboard input for all applications on the terminal desktop and it doesn't return when I close the Gnome terminal. Jesse McDonnell From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Sat May 20 21:23:43 2006 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 16:23:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New Release News? Message-ID: <200605202153.k4KLrt5m016774@mx3.redhat.com> I am currently running K12LTSP 4.4.1 with 30+ clients. Over the summer gonna add almost 30 more clients. Is there a new version due out soon? Hopefully, one that addresses little nagging concerns like sound on thin clients? Right now it is a crap shoot as far as sound goes. I have wiki'd till the cows come home and tried all kinds of suggestions, but it still comes and goes, mostly goes (the sound that is) I have looked into Edubuntu as an alternative but nothing beats K12LTSP for ease/automatic set up. From nothing to thin clients connecting in about an hour, most of that sitting and waiting on installs. Then just tweaking. I would love to get rid of the floppy access ftp thing though. Just give the kids access to the local floppies and cds and hot swapped flash drives directly -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 5/19/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat May 20 23:24:34 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 18:24:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New Release News? Message-ID: <1148167474.30479.6.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hello Liam, Let us know what your clients are lacking in the sound department. We've been using 4.4.1 K12LTSP for a few months now on 3 servers and have no sound probs on clients. I'll try and help you out if you can give some details,on what is dying,or whatever on clients that sound is not solid on. Are you using all pci based sound cards on all of your client boxes? Even if you are stuck with using ISA cards to "use up" the extra stuff you have laying around isa sound cards will work especially sound blaster based isa cards. It just takes a little more grunt work to get them to work is all.You should be able to get sound in flash, as well as video like wmv,mov,ogg etc, as well. Take it easy, Barry Cisna From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Sun May 21 00:56:59 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 17:56:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New Release News? In-Reply-To: <200605202153.k4KLrt5m016774@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605202153.k4KLrt5m016774@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43C5CF17-34B9-44A6-ACD4-BBAFCEDD39FC@mesd.k12.or.us> On May 20, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Liam Marshall wrote: > I am currently running K12LTSP 4.4.1 with 30+ clients. Over the > summer gonna add almost 30 more clients. Is there a new version > due out soon? The version based on FC5 is in beta right now. > Hopefully, one that addresses little nagging concerns like sound on > thin clients? Right now it is a crap shoot as far as sound goes. > I have wiki?d till the cows come home and tried all kinds of > suggestions, but it still comes and goes, mostly goes (the sound > that is) Don't know that the sound setup has changed at all with the new release. > I would love to get rid of the floppy access ftp thing though. > Just give the kids access to the local floppies and cds and hot > swapped flash drives directly Local storage devices is the big new feature for this release. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From tlegge at rogers.com Sun May 21 03:05:19 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 00:05:19 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Automatically Resize Photos for your users Message-ID: <446FD8EF.6070606@rogers.com> Hi This is slightly off topic but I thought it might be of use to someone and might generate a few improvements. I have places a copy of a script that I wrote at: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Automatically%20Resize%20Photos%20for%20Users What it does ============ It automatically resizes photos for my users. With this script, they can simply copy their digital camera photos to a directory in their home directory. When the script runs via cron it will use ImageMagick's convert utility to shrink the photo to the default size (1024x768) with a quality of 75 and delete the original. It will automatically create the required directories if they do not exist Why? ==== Some users are not comfortable with using ImageMagick and few of the available gui tools are as fast at resizing multiple files. With this script, the users simply drop the files in place, waits a few minutes and the cron job resizes the files for them. It also has the added benefit of reducing the storage requirements for photos Potential issues ================ The script automatically deletes the original. This is by design don't complain to me if you lose original work. ToDo? ====== The script currently meets my needs but I would probably add the ability for the user to specify a default size, quality, photo directory and the option of keeping the originals via a config file in their home directory Hopefully it will be of some use to someone else. So far in my testing, it works for me and the half dozen users I tested it on. Read the script (its not difficult) and understand what it does before you use it... Regards Tim From haynest at mchsi.com Sun May 21 10:56:06 2006 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 06:56:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum download In-Reply-To: <43C5CF17-34B9-44A6-ACD4-BBAFCEDD39FC@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200605211129.k4LBTUUd026585@mx3.redhat.com> Greetings... If I do a default 4.4.1 LTSP install, which CDs will I need? There is no point in downloading all 5 CD's if I don't have to. Regards... Tom From dhhoward at comcast.net Sun May 21 13:28:43 2006 From: dhhoward at comcast.net (Daniel Howard) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 09:28:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Converting 600 old laptops into K12LTSP thin clients for 1:1 ratio at a middle school Message-ID: <44706B0B.8060506@comcast.net> K12LTSP Folk, I've know of a school that has over 600 older laptops (either Win98 or Win2k) for a 1:1 grant-funded study in 2000 that now only has 50 functional units, assumedly due to viruses, upgrading OS w/o adding more memory, lack of support, etc. We want to consider converting these into K12LTSP thin clients using our laptop cart idea, but I wanted to make sure we were considering all options. We could probably load Linux OS directly onto each laptop and keep them as stand-alone units so the kids could take them home as the original model proposed, but the support issue (number of PCs to support) along with the need to plug them in to power daily in the classrooms and either plug network in or log on wirelessly makes that less desirable. I'd rather see the kids stay after school for a few hours to do homework on them when necessary and reduce the number of PCs to support by a factor of 50 by turning them all into thin clients that stay at the school. Are there any other ideas out there for what to do to revive 600 drunken laptops? Regards, Daniel From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sun May 21 14:18:34 2006 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 10:18:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Converting 600 old laptops into K12LTSP thin clients for 1:1 ratio at a middle school In-Reply-To: <44706B0B.8060506@comcast.net> References: <44706B0B.8060506@comcast.net> Message-ID: <447076BA.6070803@gwi.net> Daniel Howard wrote: > Are there any other ideas out there for what to do to revive 600 > drunken laptops? > If these laptops are all the same or very similar hardware you could consider setting up an imaged or kickstart installation for them to simply re-build when someone messes them up rather than troubleshooting. That is not to say you shouldn't go the K12LTSP route. But you could also consider having loaners with a loaded OS for students to sign out and take home. You would definitely want a local rsync of any yum repositories you use. And if you use kickstart then you should consider building an updated installation tree with most of the updates incorporated. Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #804005699817957 From robark at gmail.com Sun May 21 16:53:59 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 09:53:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: <20060520133501.5f047c98.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <446E3073.4070706@maehlum.net> <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060520133501.5f047c98.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 5/20/06, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > Thanks Eric and Robert! I saw Eric's announcement last evening and tried it out at home. > > Everything seems to work except for keyboard input when in Control mode, mouse input is fine. For example, I began this reply from the terminal, launched Fl_teachertool as root from the server and took control of the terminal. I added a few words to the reply, then launched a command line Gnome terminal. At that point, I lost keyboard input for all applications on the terminal desktop and it doesn't return when I close the Gnome terminal. Have you noticed this behavior on previous versions of k12ltsp (4.x). Wondering if it only occurs with the new vnc.so on k12ltsp 5.0? -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Sun May 21 18:11:54 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:11:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: <446E3073.4070706@maehlum.net> <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060520133501.5f047c98.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060521141154.304c9a01.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:53:59 -0700 "Robert Arkiletian" wrote: > On 5/20/06, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > Thanks Eric and Robert! I saw Eric's announcement last evening and tried it out at home. > > > > Everything seems to work except for keyboard input when in Control mode, mouse input is fine. For example, I began this reply from the terminal, launched Fl_teachertool as root from the server and took control of the terminal. I added a few words to the reply, then launched a command line Gnome terminal. At that point, I lost keyboard input for all applications on the terminal desktop and it doesn't return when I close the Gnome terminal. > > Have you noticed this behavior on previous versions of k12ltsp (4.x). > Wondering if it only occurs with the new vnc.so on k12ltsp 5.0? Robert, This is the first time I tried the Control and Monitor feature. I installed TeacherTool before on earlier k12ltsp setups to see how it would work but since I run K12LTSP at home I didn't have any reason to worry about monitor and control. Something that I noticed after posting yesterday, Broadcast also won't accept keyboard input. I click Broadcast on the server and the gdm login box launches but it won't accept keyboard input. Let me know if there's anything you'd like me to try to help determine if the problem is unique to my setup or if it's related to the new vnc.so. Thanks! Jesse McDonnell From robark at gmail.com Sun May 21 21:51:35 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:51:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: <20060521141154.304c9a01.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <446E3073.4070706@maehlum.net> <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060520133501.5f047c98.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060521141154.304c9a01.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 5/21/06, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:53:59 -0700 > "Robert Arkiletian" wrote: > > > On 5/20/06, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > > Thanks Eric and Robert! I saw Eric's announcement last evening and tried it out at home. > > > > > > Everything seems to work except for keyboard input when in Control mode, mouse input is fine. For example, I began this reply from the terminal, launched Fl_teachertool as root from the server and took control of the terminal. I added a few words to the reply, then launched a command line Gnome terminal. At that point, I lost keyboard input for all applications on the terminal desktop and it doesn't return when I close the Gnome terminal. > > > > Have you noticed this behavior on previous versions of k12ltsp (4.x). > > Wondering if it only occurs with the new vnc.so on k12ltsp 5.0? > > Robert, > > This is the first time I tried the Control and Monitor feature. I installed TeacherTool before on earlier k12ltsp setups to see how it would work but since I run K12LTSP at home I didn't have any reason to worry about monitor and control. > > Something that I noticed after posting yesterday, Broadcast also won't accept keyboard input. I click Broadcast on the server and the gdm login box launches but it won't accept keyboard input. Try clicking in the login box before you start typing. I know this sounds obvious but sometimes I forget to set the keyboard focus into the box before I type and get what you are describing. Unlike a regular gdm login, keyboard focus is not autmatically given to the login box when broadcasting. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun May 21 22:38:13 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:38:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Request for comments Message-ID: <4470EBD5.4030004@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Hi list, I've written a brief article on the risks of using IIS for school-based webapps, and would love to have input and feedback from this group in any form. Post is here: http://www.taupehat.com/index.php?title=friends_don_t_let_friends_use_iis_for_we&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 Cheers, Mike Ely From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Mon May 22 00:36:07 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:36:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: <446E3073.4070706@maehlum.net> <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060520133501.5f047c98.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060521141154.304c9a01.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060521203607.6f2a92bd.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Sun, 21 May 2006 14:51:35 -0700 "Robert Arkiletian" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Everything seems to work except for keyboard input when in Control mode, mouse input is fine. For example, I began this reply from the terminal, launched Fl_teachertool as root from the server and took control of the terminal. I added a few words to the reply, then launched a command line Gnome terminal. At that point, I lost keyboard input for all applications on the terminal desktop and it doesn't return when I close the Gnome terminal. > > > > > > Have you noticed this behavior on previous versions of k12ltsp (4.x). > > > Wondering if it only occurs with the new vnc.so on k12ltsp 5.0? > > > > Robert, > > > > This is the first time I tried the Control and Monitor feature. I installed TeacherTool before on earlier k12ltsp setups to see how it would work but since I run K12LTSP at home I didn't have any reason to worry about monitor and control. > > > > Something that I noticed after posting yesterday, Broadcast also won't accept keyboard input. I click Broadcast on the server and the gdm login box launches but it won't accept keyboard input. > > Try clicking in the login box before you start typing. I know this > sounds obvious but sometimes I forget to set the keyboard focus into > the box before I type and get what you are describing. Unlike a > regular gdm login, keyboard focus is not autmatically given to the > login box when broadcasting. Robert, Tried Broadcast mode, had keyboard focus and it still wouldn't accept input even though there was a flashing curser in the login box. Closed the TeacherTool session and tried again, and yes, this time it worked. I tried to see if starting and restarting would work in the Control mode also, but now it wouldn't accept any keyboard input, period. You'll remember that initially I had keyboard input in Control mode and it vanished after I open a terminal window. Seems like that was coincidence. Jesse From robark at gmail.com Mon May 22 03:45:06 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:45:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: <20060521203607.6f2a92bd.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <446E3073.4070706@maehlum.net> <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060520133501.5f047c98.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060521141154.304c9a01.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060521203607.6f2a92bd.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 5/21/06, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > Robert, > > Tried Broadcast mode, had keyboard focus and it still wouldn't accept input even though there was a flashing curser in the login box. Closed the TeacherTool session and tried again, and yes, this time it worked. > > I tried to see if starting and restarting would work in the Control mode also, but now it wouldn't accept any keyboard input, period. You'll remember that initially I had keyboard input in Control mode and it vanished after I open a terminal window. Seems like that was coincidence. Try reseting the broadcast-monitor-control feature. It's under file menu. Or just hit F9 (same thing). See if that fixes things. Make sure you are running fl_TT as root. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Mon May 22 09:00:18 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:00:18 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Icewm as default In-Reply-To: <446D0F9A.3050109@McQuil.com> References: <20060519001600.82985.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <446D0F9A.3050109@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <20060522120018.tgpac42rswu4gso0@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Hi, need for help again: There are some good instructions on using IceWM on wiki. However, I can't get IceWM to be the default. I can get all the other options away from menu. Has it it something to do with Nautilus=NO and Sessions=NO, this is thew it is just now and that,s the way I would like to have it. ROX-filer as file manager etc. mikkoj Finland From haynest at mchsi.com Mon May 22 10:06:33 2006 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 06:06:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum download In-Reply-To: <200605211129.k4LBTUUd026585@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200605221038.k4MAcJga005479@mx3.redhat.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Thomas E. Haynes > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:56 AM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum download > > Greetings... > > If I do a default 4.4.1 LTSP install, which CDs will I need? > > There is no point in downloading all 5 CD's if I don't have to. It's bad form to reply to your own message, but I downloaded CD's 1 and 2 and started the install. It warned me it would take CD's 1-4, so I downloaded those as well and have ltsp installed. Regards... Tom From nsantiago at caclv.org Mon May 22 15:38:54 2006 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Nicholas Santiago) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mailing List Manager Message-ID: <4126.172.17.200.2.1148312334.squirrel@172.17.3.20> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon May 22 21:55:27 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:55:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Freeswan VPN Message-ID: <4472334F.3070807@paasda.org> http://www.freeswan.org/ Anyone out there using this as a VPN solution to allow staff access to the local network from home? One of our staff members who normally does quite a bit of work during the summer will be having surgery and I've been asked to make it so that she can access the Student Management Server from home. This server is behind the firewall NAT'd and is a MAC running MacSchool from Chancery. --Huck From julius at turtle.com Mon May 22 22:40:07 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Freeswan VPN In-Reply-To: <4472334F.3070807@paasda.org> References: <4472334F.3070807@paasda.org> Message-ID: <2846.192.168.1.4.1148337607.squirrel@192.168.1.4> > http://www.freeswan.org/ > > Anyone out there using this as a VPN solution to allow staff access to > the local network from home? > > One of our staff members who normally does quite a bit of work during > the summer will be having surgery and I've been asked to make it so that > she can access the Student Management Server from home. > > This server is behind the firewall NAT'd and is a MAC running MacSchool > from Chancery. I'm using OpenVPN, which was suggested on FreeSWAN site - this is the replacement with current development. The software is not obvious to set up, but not very difficult, it works well and runs on Linux, Mac and Winows. julius From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Mon May 22 22:55:51 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:55:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: <446E3073.4070706@maehlum.net> <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060520133501.5f047c98.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060521141154.304c9a01.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060521203607.6f2a92bd.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060522185551.1f7a28a4.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Sun, 21 May 2006 20:45:06 -0700 "Robert Arkiletian" wrote: > On 5/21/06, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > Robert, > > > > Tried Broadcast mode, had keyboard focus and it still wouldn't accept input even though there was a flashing curser in the login box. Closed the TeacherTool session and tried again, and yes, this time it worked. > > > > I tried to see if starting and restarting would work in the Control mode also, but now it wouldn't accept any keyboard input, period. You'll remember that initially I had keyboard input in Control mode and it vanished after I open a terminal window. Seems like that was coincidence. > > Try reseting the broadcast-monitor-control feature. It's under file > menu. Or just hit F9 (same thing). See if that fixes things. Make > sure you are running fl_TT as root. Robert, Just tried resetting after I lose keyboard input and it closes and relaunches TeacherTool. The password dialog box comes up when I select Control and accepts keystrokes. This dialog box always accepts keyboard input I had keyboard input in Sylpheed (mail program) but then lost it after launching a terminal. Tried launching a terminal first and had input in the terminal, switched to Sylpheed, no input. Shutdown TeacherTool, killed off all instances of vnc (ps -ef | grep vnc) and on subsequent launches I had no keyboard input. It seems to be a random problem and I cannot see a pattern to when I have and when I don't have keyboard input. Do you think this may be an aberration peculiar to my setup? I don't need Control and Broadcast but I'm happy to do more tests if it will help make TeacherTool more robust. Thanks for your help so far. Jesse From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon May 22 23:11:45 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:11:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Freeswan VPN Message-ID: <1148339506.31728.9.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hello Luck, I am using Openswan as a vpn between our main campus to two other buildings in our newly formed school district as of this year. It is pretty easy to setup & like everything else in this biz, until you get it to actually work one time, you don't really no the seqeunce you should be seeing as far as making a sucssesful connection. In setting up openswan I did use a lot of the help documentation from the Freeswan website for making variuos connections. What you will want to do is make a "roadwarrior" connection available for this individual so they can access your school server from home. Once you get a sucssesful setup, thereafter it is a rock solid connection , I have found. Barry Cisna From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon May 22 23:27:12 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:27:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mailing List Manager Message-ID: <1148340432.31728.25.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hello Nicholas, I've just recently setup mailman, to be used next year at our school. It is going to be used solely for the daily announcements that the 4 secretaries send out each day between the three school buildings. Now that I look back I wish i would have had this going for this past school year. It makes the daily mundane announcements very archivable,and cuts down on all the staff's email "clutter". It is easy to setup if you just follow the redhat install 1.2.3. guide that installs with mailman.This way the staff/teachers can view the announcements at home as well, without having to setup anything on their home pc. No having to tell each teacher how to configuring OE or Outlook 200 + times:). Another thing you might want to consider, depending on what you are intending on using your mail list manger is possibly Moodle. It is a little more "hip" looking and has some added features and is very easy to setup as well. It has a pretty cool message board built into it. Moodle may be more than what you need though. I'm afraid it would be a little too confusing for what we would be using it for at our school.We have to keep things as basic as basic can be,otherwise the cast gets too frustrated. Too many places to click on ,on it:) Good luck. Barry Cisna From robark at gmail.com Tue May 23 00:00:20 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:00:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: <20060522185551.1f7a28a4.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060520133501.5f047c98.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060521141154.304c9a01.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060521203607.6f2a92bd.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060522185551.1f7a28a4.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 5/22/06, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > Try reseting the broadcast-monitor-control feature. It's under file > > menu. Or just hit F9 (same thing). See if that fixes things. Make > > sure you are running fl_TT as root. > > Robert, > > Just tried resetting after I lose keyboard input and it closes and relaunches TeacherTool. The reset (F9) does not kill TeacherTool. Only the processes running vnc. >The password dialog box comes up when I select Control and accepts keystrokes. This dialog box always accepts keyboard input Yes. This is realvnc asking for the password for vncviewer to allow you to take "Control". > > I had keyboard input in Sylpheed (mail program) but then lost it after launching a terminal. Tried launching a terminal first and had input in the terminal, switched to Sylpheed, no input. Shutdown TeacherTool, killed off all instances of vnc (ps -ef | grep vnc) and on subsequent launches I had no keyboard input. I don't have a k12ltsp 5.0 system at home I can test right now. So I can't verify this behavior. > > It seems to be a random problem and I cannot see a pattern to when I have and when I don't have keyboard input. Do you think this may be an aberration peculiar to my setup? I don't need Control and Broadcast but I'm happy to do more tests if it will help make TeacherTool more robust. Broadcast does not use the new vnc.so Eric made. I have verified broadcast works with k12ltsp 5.0 at Linuxfest NW. If both Broadcast and Control don't work for you I suspect you either have not installed things correctly or your system has gremlins in it. :) -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From petre at maltzen.net Tue May 23 00:05:19 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:05:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: LTSP/K12LTSP Conference in Minneapolis, June 15 & 16 Message-ID: <447251BF.2020506@maltzen.net> All- Just a reminder that everyone is invited to the North Central Linux Symposium, consisting of 'TuXlabs for Schools' and 'Advanced Topics in LTSP', being held in Minneapolis, MN, on June 15 & 16. The first day we will be pitching and demonstrating K12LTSP to schools and educators from across Minnesota; the second day we'll be hearing from Jim McQuillan & Scott Balneaves on the latest release of LTSP, and from Chris Hertel from the Samba Project on various remote storage methods. It's a chance to promote LTSP in education, and to meet face to face with fellow LTSP users. Visit www.nclinux.net for details. Hope you can come. Petre From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Tue May 23 01:40:45 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:40:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060520133501.5f047c98.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060521141154.304c9a01.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060521203607.6f2a92bd.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060522185551.1f7a28a4.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060522214045.3fd7fd4f.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Mon, 22 May 2006 17:00:20 -0700 "Robert Arkiletian" wrote: > On 5/22/06, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > It seems to be a random problem and I cannot see a pattern to when I have and when I >don't have keyboard input. Do you think this may be an aberration peculiar to my setup? I >don't need Control and Broadcast but I'm happy to do more tests if it will help make >TeacherTool more robust. > > > Broadcast does not use the new vnc.so Eric made. I have verified > broadcast works with k12ltsp 5.0 at Linuxfest NW. If both Broadcast > and Control don't work for you I suspect you either have not installed > things correctly or your system has gremlins in it. :) > To see if it's the gremlins or if I'd goofed on the installation, I went back over the installation instructions in Eric's email and compared them to the ones on your website. Whereas the instructions on your website say to *add* X4_MODULE_02 = vnc, the instructions in Eric's email say to change X4_MODULE_01 = glx to X4_MODULE_01 = vnc. I added in the X4_MODULE_02 line and, voila! - Broadcast no longer has a keyboard input problem. The problem of random loss of keyboard input is still present in Control mode - so the gremlins are still there! Jesse From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue May 23 00:15:30 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:15:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client Message-ID: <20060522171529.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e60c11e046.wbe@email.secureserver.net> These are cool. I sent an email telling them that they should configure the clients to use PXE or Etherboot in addition to RDP and Citrix. Perhaps if several from this list sent emails, they might listen and modify them a little. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [SPAM] [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client > From: Barry R Cisna > Date: Sat, May 20, 2006 8:36 am > To: K12LTSP-listserve > > Howdy All, > > Just thought I'd throw this out. Maybe most have seen/heard of > these ?This rig looks like it would be the cat's meow for a school > scenario. All three models are PoE compliant,This would be a God's send > in itself, if you are like our school with "not enough power outlets" in > each room.All would have to be done is have all PoE compliant > switches,which can be had for about $310 for a 24 port with gig > uplinks.Get rid of all of the power cord mumbo-jumbo/spaghetti. > Think of it ,no knobs or edges or buttons for the kids to tear off :) > The only trick would be to see if the AMD Alchemy video would be able to > work? I talked to a distributor for these and he told me they are now > available in the states. They were having troubles with the voltages,on > the prototypes brought here to the states, as these are manufactured in > the Middle East. He told me that his company fitted these ,several > hundred into a new corporate offices,and works very well. But they were > RDP'ing to WTS server. > they only require 5w of power which would be sweet as well. 0 noise & > probably almost 0 heat output. > It's worth taking a look at it, when you have time. > > http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/ > > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 23 03:19:37 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: <20060522214045.3fd7fd4f.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <446E4C64.2080700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060520133501.5f047c98.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060521141154.304c9a01.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060521203607.6f2a92bd.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060522185551.1f7a28a4.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060522214045.3fd7fd4f.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 May 2006, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > To see if it's the gremlins or if I'd goofed on the installation, > I went back over the installation instructions in Eric's email and > compared them to the ones on your website. Whereas the instructions > on your website say to *add* X4_MODULE_02 = vnc, the instructions in > Eric's email say to change X4_MODULE_01 = glx to X4_MODULE_01 = vnc. > I added in the X4_MODULE_02 line and, voila! - Broadcast no longer > has a keyboard input problem. I went back and double checked this and Robert's docs are correct, mine was wrong. It should be: X4_MODULE_01 = glx X4_MODULE_02 = vnc -Eric From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue May 23 10:48:57 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:48:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client In-Reply-To: <20060522171529.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e60c11e046.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060522171529.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e60c11e046.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4472E899.3020302@msad3.org> I checked out their site and came across a windows CE vs Linux terminal... it was less than impressive. Neat concept, but the company doesn't seem to think much of LTS. http://www.chippc.com/library/files/presentation/Linux%20TC%203.ppt mark rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > These are cool. I sent an email telling them that they should configure > the clients to use PXE or Etherboot in addition to RDP and Citrix. > Perhaps if several from this list sent emails, they might listen and > modify them a little. > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [SPAM] [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client >> From: Barry R Cisna >> Date: Sat, May 20, 2006 8:36 am >> To: K12LTSP-listserve >> >> Howdy All, >> >> Just thought I'd throw this out. Maybe most have seen/heard of >> these ?This rig looks like it would be the cat's meow for a school >> scenario. All three models are PoE compliant,This would be a God's send >> in itself, if you are like our school with "not enough power outlets" in >> each room.All would have to be done is have all PoE compliant >> switches,which can be had for about $310 for a 24 port with gig >> uplinks.Get rid of all of the power cord mumbo-jumbo/spaghetti. >> Think of it ,no knobs or edges or buttons for the kids to tear off :) >> The only trick would be to see if the AMD Alchemy video would be able to >> work? I talked to a distributor for these and he told me they are now >> available in the states. They were having troubles with the voltages,on >> the prototypes brought here to the states, as these are manufactured in >> the Middle East. He told me that his company fitted these ,several >> hundred into a new corporate offices,and works very well. But they were >> RDP'ing to WTS server. >> they only require 5w of power which would be sweet as well. 0 noise & >> probably almost 0 heat output. >> It's worth taking a look at it, when you have time. >> >> http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/ >> >> >> Take Care, >> >> Barry Cisna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Subject: Re: [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client I checked out their site and came across a windows CE vs Linux terminal... it was less than impressive. Neat concept, but the company doesn't seem to think much of LTS. http://www.chippc.com/library/files/presentation/Linux%20TC%203.ppt mark rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: These are cool. I sent an email telling them that they should configure the clients to use PXE or Etherboot in addition to RDP and Citrix. Perhaps if several from this list sent emails, they might listen and modify them a little. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [SPAM] [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client From: Barry R Cisna Date: Sat, May 20, 2006 8:36 am To: K12LTSP-listserve Howdy All, Just thought I'd throw this out. Maybe most have seen/heard of these ?This rig looks like it would be the cat's meow for a school scenario. All three models are PoE compliant,This would be a God's send in itself, if you are like our school with "not enough power outlets" in each room.All would have to be done is have all PoE compliant switches,which can be had for about $310 for a 24 port with gig uplinks.Get rid of all of the power cord mumbo-jumbo/spaghetti. Think of it ,no knobs or edges or buttons for the kids to tear off :) The only trick would be to see if the AMD Alchemy video would be able to work? I talked to a distributor for these and he told me they are now available in the states. They were having troubles with the voltages,on the prototypes brought here to the states, as these are manufactured in the Middle East. He told me that his company fitted these ,several hundred into a new corporate offices,and works very well. But they were RDP'ing to WTS server. they only require 5w of power which would be sweet as well. 0 noise & probably almost 0 heat output. It's worth taking a look at it, when you have time. http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/ Take Care, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon at spriggs.org.uk Tue May 23 12:42:12 2006 From: jon at spriggs.org.uk (Jon Spriggs) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:42:12 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client In-Reply-To: <200605231228.k4NCSiNU030508@mx1.redhat.com> References: <4472E899.3020302@msad3.org> <200605231228.k4NCSiNU030508@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0605230542v2f955935x930527139f4c3152@mail.gmail.com> Well, there are kinda some reasons for that. Basically, it looks like they are only looking at embedded devices, so they are saying that from a development perspective. Having said that, I'm not endorsing or approving the document they've written, and I'd certainly like to discuss with them issues they've mentioned in this document, asking for some proof, besides some quotes from the Wyse development that I'm guessing they've pulled straight from the Microsoft website, mostly revolving around the "viruses" object, and the assumption that !=MSIE is a bad thing!!! Anyway, I'll drop them a note, and see what they have to say. Jon "The Nice Guy" On 5/23/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > That presentation is misleading and has some false statements in it. For > example, I have no issues incorporating LTSP into my current MS > infrastructure. I also noticed that all of the resources for this > presentation were from Microsoft....... > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > ________________________________ > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Mark Gumprecht > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:49 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client > > > I checked out their site and came across a windows CE vs Linux terminal... > it was less than impressive. Neat concept, but the company doesn't seem to > think much of LTS. > http://www.chippc.com/library/files/presentation/Linux%20TC%203.ppt > mark > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > These are cool. I sent an email telling them that they should configure > the clients to use PXE or Etherboot in addition to RDP and Citrix. > Perhaps if several from this list sent emails, they might listen and > modify them a little. > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [SPAM] [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client > From: Barry R Cisna > Date: Sat, May 20, 2006 8:36 am > To: K12LTSP-listserve > > Howdy All, > > Just thought I'd throw this out. Maybe most have seen/heard of > these ?This rig looks like it would be the cat's meow for a school > scenario. All three models are PoE compliant,This would be a God's send > in itself, if you are like our school with "not enough power outlets" in > each room.All would have to be done is have all PoE compliant > switches,which can be had for about $310 for a 24 port with gig > uplinks.Get rid of all of the power cord mumbo-jumbo/spaghetti. > Think of it ,no knobs or edges or buttons for the kids to tear off :) > The only trick would be to see if the AMD Alchemy video would be able to > work? I talked to a distributor for these and he told me they are now > available in the states. They were having troubles with the voltages,on > the prototypes brought here to the states, as these are manufactured in > the Middle East. He told me that his company fitted these ,several > hundred into a new corporate offices,and works very well. But they were > RDP'ing to WTS server. > they only require 5w of power which would be sweet as well. 0 noise & > probably almost 0 heat output. > It's worth taking a look at it, when you have time. > > http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/ > > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > MSAD3 > Unity, Maine 04988 > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Tue May 23 13:07:57 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:07:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client In-Reply-To: <4472E899.3020302@msad3.org> References: <20060522171529.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e60c11e046.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <4472E899.3020302@msad3.org> Message-ID: <4473092D.6070100@maltzen.net> Well, that was one of the worst and most sophomoric presentations I've ever seen. I think the key to the whole thing is the last slide. Petre Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I checked out their site and came across a windows CE vs Linux > terminal... it was less than impressive. Neat concept, but the company > doesn't seem to think much of LTS. > http://www.chippc.com/library/files/presentation/Linux%20TC%203.ppt > mark > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >> These are cool. I sent an email telling them that they should configure >> the clients to use PXE or Etherboot in addition to RDP and Citrix. >> Perhaps if several from this list sent emails, they might listen and >> modify them a little. >> >> >> >> Ronald R. McDaniel >> Conecuh County Schools >> (251) 578-7073 x26 >> (251) 238-1890 cell >> 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc >> rmcdaniel at indata.us >> >> >> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: [SPAM] [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client >>> From: Barry R Cisna >>> Date: Sat, May 20, 2006 8:36 am >>> To: K12LTSP-listserve >>> >>> Howdy All, >>> >>> Just thought I'd throw this out. Maybe most have seen/heard of >>> these ?This rig looks like it would be the cat's meow for a school >>> scenario. All three models are PoE compliant,This would be a God's send >>> in itself, if you are like our school with "not enough power outlets" in >>> each room.All would have to be done is have all PoE compliant >>> switches,which can be had for about $310 for a 24 port with gig >>> uplinks.Get rid of all of the power cord mumbo-jumbo/spaghetti. >>> Think of it ,no knobs or edges or buttons for the kids to tear off :) >>> The only trick would be to see if the AMD Alchemy video would be able to >>> work? I talked to a distributor for these and he told me they are now >>> available in the states. They were having troubles with the voltages,on >>> the prototypes brought here to the states, as these are manufactured in >>> the Middle East. He told me that his company fitted these ,several >>> hundred into a new corporate offices,and works very well. But they were >>> RDP'ing to WTS server. >>> they only require 5w of power which would be sweet as well. 0 noise & >>> probably almost 0 heat output. >>> It's worth taking a look at it, when you have time. >>> >>> http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/ >>> >>> >>> Take Care, >>> >>> Barry Cisna >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > -- > ?Mark Gumprecht > MSAD3 > Unity, Maine 04988 > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lewis at pcc.com Tue May 23 13:16:22 2006 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:16:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell Dimension 3100/E310 and LTSP 4.4.2 Message-ID: <0CC7816B-3A25-4D22-A219-C449917436C3@pcc.com> Long time no post. Once again Dell computers are driving me nuts. Has anyone had any luck getting a Dell 3100/E310 to boot in LTSP? I am having problems with video. The video card is not getting recognized. I have set the video memory to 8M and tried each of the drivers by setting them in lts.conf. This product uses an integrated chipset (intel 82915G/GV/910GL) Any idea? (besides throwing the unit in the river) Thanks Lewis From visentind at hdsb.ca Tue May 23 13:31:19 2006 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:31:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) Message-ID: =================================================== Eric Harrison writes: I managed to build a working binary. Still much work to do in order to package it up & provide patches for Jim & the LTSP crew. ==================================================== Made the changes today and it works beautifully!! THANKS Rob and Eric!! Dan Visentin Head of Business/Computers/IT contact M. M. Robinson H.S. "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyr at wizzy.com Tue May 23 14:29:21 2006 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:29:21 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell Dimension 3100/E310 and LTSP 4.4.2 In-Reply-To: <0CC7816B-3A25-4D22-A219-C449917436C3@pcc.com> References: <0CC7816B-3A25-4D22-A219-C449917436C3@pcc.com> Message-ID: <20060523142921.GC8434@wizzy.com> On Tue, 23 May 2006, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Once again Dell computers are driving me nuts. > > Has anyone had any luck getting a Dell 3100/E310 to boot in LTSP? I > am having problems with video. The video card is not getting > recognized. I have set the video memory to 8M and tried each of the > drivers by setting them in lts.conf. > > This product uses an integrated chipset (intel 82915G/GV/910GL) I would try :- # lspci # lspci -n And posting the results here. I would stick a hard drive in, install Ubuntu or some other recent Linux distro that uses Xorg, and see if you have better luck. If you do, /sbin/lsmod will show any modules loaded, and the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file could (at last resort) be used from lts.conf. Cheers, Andy! From jon at spriggs.org.uk Tue May 23 15:06:59 2006 From: jon at spriggs.org.uk (Jon Spriggs) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:06:59 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0605230542v2f955935x930527139f4c3152@mail.gmail.com> References: <4472E899.3020302@msad3.org> <200605231228.k4NCSiNU030508@mx1.redhat.com> <96df2e0b0605230542v2f955935x930527139f4c3152@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0605230806v3a8bda7fsa0ef4d752e553bcb@mail.gmail.com> Message sent: Dear Sir/Madam, I am writing with regards to documents on your website which refer to the Open Source operating system Linux in relation with Embedded PC devices, and I'm wondering whether someone could revise these documents written in 2004, as many items mentioned in these documents appear inaccurate or have no reference to solid sources which can corroborate the information. I'm referring to the web page at http://www.chippc.com/support/kbase/answer.asp?ID=CKB00063 and the powerpoint presentation at http://www.chippc.com/library/files/presentation/Linux%20TC%203.ppt One concern I have in the PPT, is with the item which says (Slide 12, item 1) Claim: "You can get the source code" Truth: "Yeh, good luck. Ask Wyse or Neoware for the source code and see what you get. Note: MS provides CE .NET source code to selected vendors" If you require the source code for the linux kernel, or any applications which are statically linked against GNU General Public Licenced (GPL) code, and you are unable to locate this code, then there is a licencing issue which needs to be addressed by the Free Software Foundation who will attempt to resolve this licence issue. If you are referring to an application which they have written in-house, which is not licenced under an "Open Source Licence" such as the GPL, then they are not obliged to release the code for this software. All of the common Linux thin-client stack is released under various GPL-friendly licences (kernel, X-Windows, rdesktop), although (I believe) the Citrix client is not released under a GPL-friendly licence, it is available as a free download for Linux. I'm also concerned by the comments about Open Source Security, both in the web page and the PPT. In the web page it says "Vulnerability to Viruses" "HIGH" followed with the comment "Linux is not standardized and not secured." In the PPT it says "You have less viruses risks" "Much easier to develop viruses to open-source OS. Security is big problem!" While it is easier to develop a virus in an open source OS, it is also easier to identify flawed code and prevent it from running, or identify it. A search on "Linux/" in the Sophos virus definitions returns 4 pages. The same search for "W32/" returns over 600 pages today. It is stated in the PPT (Slide 7 - Claim 1) ""Linux will run on any platform" - So why do I need 196 MB of flash and 128 MB of RAM to run it on a Thin-client?", then on the web page, specify 64Mb flash. I'm not certain about Linux Embedded, but Linux on the desktop will run X Windows on a 386 chip, with 8Mb Ram from a floppy disk. The ThinStation package will run from an 8Mb ISO image and over PXE. Slide 26 shows "Local browser" Linux "Bad ? Netscape / Mozzila" - Windows CE "Good - IE 6.0 Embedded" - Why is Mozilla and Netscape considered "bad"? when there are more security vunerabilities introduced by Internet Explorer than Mozilla? It's also slightly worrying that the last slide on your PPT shows only Microsoft resources, no impartial views? Reviews from other websites? I've only addressed the main issues that I'm uncomfortable with, but all these pages seem to show is re-badged Microsoft sales information. Your products were suggested today on a fairly high-profile Linux Terminal Services mailing list, but immediately slated as soon as these pages were turned up. I hope you can look into either reviewing these documents, or removing them entirely, as they are not at all beneficial to you or your business. Regards, Jon Spriggs On 5/23/06, Jon Spriggs wrote: > Well, there are kinda some reasons for that. > > Basically, it looks like they are only looking at embedded devices, so > they are saying that from a development perspective. Having said that, > I'm not endorsing or approving the document they've written, and I'd > certainly like to discuss with them issues they've mentioned in this > document, asking for some proof, besides some quotes from the Wyse > development that I'm guessing they've pulled straight from the > Microsoft website, mostly revolving around the "viruses" object, and > the assumption that !=MSIE is a bad thing!!! > > Anyway, I'll drop them a note, and see what they have to say. > > Jon "The Nice Guy" > > On 5/23/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > > > > That presentation is misleading and has some false statements in it. For > > example, I have no issues incorporating LTSP into my current MS > > infrastructure. I also noticed that all of the resources for this > > presentation were from Microsoft....... > > > > -Paul > > > > -- > > Paul VanGundy > > Information Technology Director > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5472 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > Behalf Of Mark Gumprecht > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:49 AM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client > > > > > > I checked out their site and came across a windows CE vs Linux terminal... > > it was less than impressive. Neat concept, but the company doesn't seem to > > think much of LTS. > > http://www.chippc.com/library/files/presentation/Linux%20TC%203.ppt > > mark > > > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > These are cool. I sent an email telling them that they should configure > > the clients to use PXE or Etherboot in addition to RDP and Citrix. > > Perhaps if several from this list sent emails, they might listen and > > modify them a little. > > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [SPAM] [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client > > From: Barry R Cisna > > Date: Sat, May 20, 2006 8:36 am > > To: K12LTSP-listserve > > > > Howdy All, > > > > Just thought I'd throw this out. Maybe most have seen/heard of > > these ?This rig looks like it would be the cat's meow for a school > > scenario. All three models are PoE compliant,This would be a God's send > > in itself, if you are like our school with "not enough power outlets" in > > each room.All would have to be done is have all PoE compliant > > switches,which can be had for about $310 for a 24 port with gig > > uplinks.Get rid of all of the power cord mumbo-jumbo/spaghetti. > > Think of it ,no knobs or edges or buttons for the kids to tear off :) > > The only trick would be to see if the AMD Alchemy video would be able to > > work? I talked to a distributor for these and he told me they are now > > available in the states. They were having troubles with the voltages,on > > the prototypes brought here to the states, as these are manufactured in > > the Middle East. He told me that his company fitted these ,several > > hundred into a new corporate offices,and works very well. But they were > > RDP'ing to WTS server. > > they only require 5w of power which would be sweet as well. 0 noise & > > probably almost 0 heat output. > > It's worth taking a look at it, when you have time. > > > > http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/ > > > > > > Take Care, > > > > Barry Cisna > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > > Mark Gumprecht > > MSAD3 > > Unity, Maine 04988 > > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > From visentind at hdsb.ca Tue May 23 15:23:21 2006 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:23:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) Message-ID: Ooops... spoke too soon... Monitor and Control work now but Broadcast doesn't. I get a "connect: Connection refused Unable to connect to VNC server error." I have X4_MODULE_01 = glx and X4_MODULE_02=vnc in lts.conf Any suggestions on what I should check to get Broadcast to work? Dan Visentin Head of Business/Computers/IT contact M. M. Robinson H.S. "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." ----- Original Message ----- =================================================== Eric Harrison writes: I managed to build a working binary. Still much work to do in order to package it up & provide patches for Jim & the LTSP crew. ==================================================== Made the changes today and it works beautifully!! THANKS Rob and Eric!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue May 23 15:54:52 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:54:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0605230806v3a8bda7fsa0ef4d752e553bcb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4472E899.3020302@msad3.org> <200605231228.k4NCSiNU030508@mx1.redhat.com> <96df2e0b0605230542v2f955935x930527139f4c3152@mail.gmail.com> <96df2e0b0605230806v3a8bda7fsa0ef4d752e553bcb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060523115452.2a8a7b1b@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 23 May 2006 16:06:59 +0100 "Jon Spriggs" wrote: > Message sent: > > Dear Sir/Madam, > > I am writing with regards to documents on your website which refer to > the Open Source operating system Linux in relation with Embedded PC > devices, and I'm wondering whether someone could revise these > documents written in 2004, as many items mentioned in these documents > appear inaccurate or have no reference to solid sources which can > corroborate the information. > [SNIPPED] > I hope you can look into either reviewing these documents, or removing > them entirely, as they are not at all beneficial to you or your > business. > > Regards, > > Jon Spriggs > Very well done :-) I would be interested in what their reply is, if there is one at all! Kevin -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From les at futuresource.com Tue May 23 17:00:33 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:00:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> <4460CB95.1020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4460FDFB.6080103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1147231900.2504.15.camel@VictorNoteLinux> Message-ID: <1148403632.24320.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Did anyone notice that Request Tracker is packaged in the extras repostory for fedora FC5? If you are using the k12ltsp-5.x beta and need a heavy duty helpdesk trouble ticket app, it is now as easy as 'yum install rt3' and following the instructions in /usr/share/doc/rt3-3.4.5/README.fedora. There is still a little fiddling to get the mail gateway and authentication to work the way you want but the bazillion perl module dependencies are installed automatically. http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/features.html for more info. It has also been done for Centos but not in the stock repositories. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 23 17:13:22 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:13:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA6 In-Reply-To: <1148403632.24320.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509133757.026db960@brr.no> <4460CB95.1020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4460FDFB.6080103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1147231900.2504.15.camel@VictorNoteLinux> <1148403632.24320.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <447342B2.4040802@paasda.org> yay someone out there is a pimp! ;) this will come in VERY handy! --Huck Les Mikesell wrote: > Did anyone notice that Request Tracker is packaged in the > extras repostory for fedora FC5? If you are using the > k12ltsp-5.x beta and need a heavy duty helpdesk trouble > ticket app, it is now as easy as 'yum install rt3' and > following the instructions in > /usr/share/doc/rt3-3.4.5/README.fedora. There is still > a little fiddling to get the mail gateway and authentication > to work the way you want but the bazillion perl module > dependencies are installed automatically. > > http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/features.html for more info. > > It has also been done for Centos but not in the stock > repositories. > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 23 17:46:05 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:46:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Silly rsync question Message-ID: <20060523174306.M99148@winonacotter.org> I can't seem to find my notes for syntax to rsync my /home to another drive. We purchased a new PowerVault 220S and are moving from a SATA RAID over to this to fix speed issues. I want to rsync /home to /powervault, then unmount /home and /powervault and remount /powervault as /home, make sense? Anyhow I issued "rsync -av /home /powervault" and it is creating /powervault/home/allmydata, and I want /powervault/allmydata. What switch or trailing slashes am I missing? Thanks Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 23 17:52:36 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:52:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Silly rsync question In-Reply-To: <20060523174306.M99148@winonacotter.org> References: <20060523174306.M99148@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44734BE4.6050600@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I can't seem to find my notes for syntax to rsync my /home to another drive. > We purchased a new PowerVault 220S and are moving from a SATA RAID over to > this to fix speed issues. I want to rsync /home to /powervault, then unmount > /home and /powervault and remount /powervault as /home, make sense? Anyhow I > issued "rsync -av /home /powervault" and it is creating > /powervault/home/allmydata, and I want /powervault/allmydata. What switch or > trailing slashes am I missing? > > Thanks > > Jim > You need a trailing slash after /home rsync -av /home/ /powervault -Eric From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 23 17:59:52 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:59:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Silly rsync question In-Reply-To: <44734BE4.6050600@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060523174306.M99148@winonacotter.org> <44734BE4.6050600@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060523175920.M3699@winonacotter.org> > You need a trailing slash after /home > > rsync -av /home/ /powervault > > -Eric Thanks Eric, I new it was something silly like that :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Tue May 23 18:19:28 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:19:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Silly rsync question In-Reply-To: <20060523175920.M3699@winonacotter.org> References: <20060523174306.M99148@winonacotter.org> <44734BE4.6050600@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060523175920.M3699@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1148408368.24320.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 12:59, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You need a trailing slash after /home > > > > rsync -av /home/ /powervault > > > Thanks Eric, I new it was something silly like that :-) I always do it like: cd /home rsync -av . /powervault so I don't have to remember when to use the trailing / or not. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From support at 499pc.net Tue May 23 18:58:53 2006 From: support at 499pc.net (Charles Hale) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Silly rsync question In-Reply-To: <20060523174306.M99148@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060523185853.74185.qmail@web313.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You have to issue the following. Get to your /home directory: cd /home once there change your rsync command to: rsync -av . /powervault Chuck Hale Jim Kronebusch wrote: I can't seem to find my notes for syntax to rsync my /home to another drive. We purchased a new PowerVault 220S and are moving from a SATA RAID over to this to fix speed issues. I want to rsync /home to /powervault, then unmount /home and /powervault and remount /powervault as /home, make sense? Anyhow I issued "rsync -av /home /powervault" and it is creating /powervault/home/allmydata, and I want /powervault/allmydata. What switch or trailing slashes am I missing? Thanks Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From robark at gmail.com Tue May 23 21:44:15 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:44:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/23/06, Dan Visentin wrote: > > Ooops... spoke too soon... > > Monitor and Control work now but Broadcast doesn't. > > I get a "connect: Connection refused Unable to connect to VNC server > error." > > I have X4_MODULE_01 = glx and X4_MODULE_02=vnc in lts.conf > > Any suggestions on what I should check to get Broadcast to work? I'm assuming you installed fl_TT with yum on k12ltsp 5.0. The two packages from the 5.0 repo ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ which broadcasting depends are vncreflector-1.2.4-0.k12ltsp.5.0.0.i386.rpm source http://sourceforge.net/projects/vnc-reflector/ teachertool-tightvnc-1.2.9-2.k12ltsp.4.4.2.i386.rpm source http://www.tightvnc.com/download.html the first one is obviously the reflector, which looks like Eric built it for 5.0. The teachertool-tightvnc is actually just tightvnc's vncviewer. We had to rename it to teachertool-vncviewer to resolve the name conflict between the realvnc vncviewer which is used for control/monitor. I wonder if the teachertool-tightvnc package was compiled under FC5, since it says 4.4.2? Try downloading the source tarball, unpack it, cd to the dir, and compile it with xmkmf make World then mv the vncviewer binary as teachertool-vncviewer to /usr/bin let us know if that solves the problem. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 24 05:09:29 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] new LTSP 4.2 test packages with the VNC module built in Message-ID: The good news: I finally figured out a way to get the vnc X11 extension module to build consistently inside the LTSP build environment. I sent Jim the patch, hopefully the LTSP guys will find it useful as well. I added the patched ltsp_i386 packages to the 5.0 beta repositories, you should be able to run "yum update" in about 20 minutes or so to install the new package. There are still two steps required before the fl_teachertool monitor/ control features work: 1) add the following line to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.cfg X4_MODULE_02 = vnc 2) make a password for the vnc-session. Run this command as root: # /usr/bin/vncpasswd Choose a password and copy the password file into the ltsp-tree # cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ Now for the bad news.... I ported all of the FC5 patches to the xorg server and added them to the new ltsp_i386 packages as well. Since the FC5 xorg server does not crash when the keyboard preferences are changed, I was hoping this would fix the LTSP xorg server as well. It does not :-( This is still a show-stopping bug. -Eric From jon at spriggs.org.uk Wed May 24 08:56:50 2006 From: jon at spriggs.org.uk (Jon Spriggs) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:56:50 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] the cat's meow -- thin client In-Reply-To: <20060523115452.2a8a7b1b@localhost.localdomain> References: <4472E899.3020302@msad3.org> <200605231228.k4NCSiNU030508@mx1.redhat.com> <96df2e0b0605230542v2f955935x930527139f4c3152@mail.gmail.com> <96df2e0b0605230806v3a8bda7fsa0ef4d752e553bcb@mail.gmail.com> <20060523115452.2a8a7b1b@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0605240156i6b95b8cj7f90b05c0e890704@mail.gmail.com> The response is: Dear sir, thank you for taking the time and effort reveiwing our documents on the website. we will recheck their contents and validity and improve as we find necessary. kind regards, Ronit _________________________________________ Ronit Pasternak Chip PC Marcom & HF On 5/23/06, Gentgeen wrote: > On Tue, 23 May 2006 16:06:59 +0100 > "Jon Spriggs" wrote: > > > Message sent: > > > > Dear Sir/Madam, > > > > I am writing with regards to documents on your website which refer to > > the Open Source operating system Linux in relation with Embedded PC > > devices, and I'm wondering whether someone could revise these > > documents written in 2004, as many items mentioned in these documents > > appear inaccurate or have no reference to solid sources which can > > corroborate the information. > > > > [SNIPPED] > > > I hope you can look into either reviewing these documents, or removing > > them entirely, as they are not at all beneficial to you or your > > business. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jon Spriggs > > > > > Very well done :-) > > I would be interested in what their reply is, if there is one at all! > > Kevin > > > > -- > http://gentgeen.homelinux.org > > ############################################################# > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From visentind at hdsb.ca Wed May 24 14:59:49 2006 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:59:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) Message-ID: ============================================================== Robert Arkiletian writes: I'm assuming you installed fl_TT with yum on k12ltsp 5.0. The two packages from the 5.0 repo ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ ============================================================== No, we're running FC4, k12ltsp v 4.4.1 (i believe). Perhaps this piece of information might help: I ran Fl_TeacherTool from a personal directory (logged in as root) and found the following log file... reflector.log The error messages are the same and consist of: 24/05/06 09:38:47 + Starting VNC Reflector 1.2.4 24/05/06 09:38:47 - Switched to the background mode 24/05/06 09:38:47 * No client password file, assuming no authentication 24/05/06 09:38:47 * Host password not specified, assuming no auth 24/05/06 09:38:47 + Connecting to localhost, port 5901 24/05/06 09:38:47 ! Could not connect: Connection refused 24/05/06 09:38:47 + Terminating So, maybe it can't find the password file? Dan Visentin Head of Business/Computers/IT contact M. M. Robinson H.S. "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Wed May 24 17:17:37 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:17:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/24/06, Dan Visentin wrote: > > No, we're running FC4, k12ltsp v 4.4.1 (i believe). > Perhaps this piece of information might help: > I ran Fl_TeacherTool from a personal directory (logged in as root) and Hmm. Personal directory? > found the following > log file... reflector.log > > The error messages are the same and consist of: > > 24/05/06 09:38:47 + Starting VNC Reflector 1.2.4 > 24/05/06 09:38:47 - Switched to the background mode > 24/05/06 09:38:47 * No client password file, assuming no authentication > 24/05/06 09:38:47 * Host password not specified, assuming no auth > 24/05/06 09:38:47 + Connecting to localhost, port 5901 > 24/05/06 09:38:47 ! Could not connect: Connection refused > 24/05/06 09:38:47 + Terminating > > So, maybe it can't find the password file? No password is required for the broadcasting. You only need to be root. I'm going to try to guess your problem. You downloaded and compiled fl_tt but did not run #make install. Hence, the HOST_INFO_FILE is not copied to the correct place. Try running #make install and see if that solves the problem. BTW if you install fl_tt with yum, HOST_INFO_FILE gets copied to /etc/fl_teachertool/. If you install from my source tarball HOST_INFO_FILE gets copied to /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool Let me know if this solves the problem. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Wed May 24 17:38:32 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:38:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: BTW Dan I hope you are using the latest 0.32 version of fl_tt. I'm not sure if the yum repos have 0.32 yet but it's a lost faster at collecting user data than previous versions. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Wed May 24 21:18:36 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:18:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new LTSP 4.2 test packages with the VNC module built in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060524171836.6211b5e0.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Tue, 23 May 2006 22:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Eric Harrison wrote: > > The good news: > > I finally figured out a way to get the vnc X11 extension module to build > consistently inside the LTSP build environment. I sent Jim the patch, > hopefully the LTSP guys will find it useful as well. > > > I added the patched ltsp_i386 packages to the 5.0 beta repositories, > you should be able to run "yum update" in about 20 minutes or so to > install the new package. > Saw this while drinking my first cup of coffee this morning and thought, let me try it. Did a yum *upgrade* instead of update and now my clients won't boot. Shouldn't be so eager before I wake up properly. The client fails at line 74 of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit with "modprobe - command not found" then fails to connect to the swap server, and finally with the message "stat of /dev/tty1 failed: no such file or directory" and "stat of /dev/tty2 failed: no such etc" If I turn off NBD swap it still fails with the "stat of /dev/tty1 failed" message. Any pointers on how to fix this? Thanks, Jesse From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 24 21:30:43 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:30:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new LTSP 4.2 test packages with the VNC module built in In-Reply-To: <20060524171836.6211b5e0.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <20060524171836.6211b5e0.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4474D083.6060306@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jesse McDonnell wrote: > On Tue, 23 May 2006 22:09:29 -0700 (PDT) > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> The good news: >> >> I finally figured out a way to get the vnc X11 extension module to build >> consistently inside the LTSP build environment. I sent Jim the patch, >> hopefully the LTSP guys will find it useful as well. >> >> >> I added the patched ltsp_i386 packages to the 5.0 beta repositories, >> you should be able to run "yum update" in about 20 minutes or so to >> install the new package. >> > > Saw this while drinking my first cup of coffee this morning and thought, let me try it. Did a yum *upgrade* instead of update and now my clients won't boot. Shouldn't be so eager before I wake up properly. > > The client fails at line 74 of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit with "modprobe - command not found" then fails to connect to the swap server, and finally with the message "stat of /dev/tty1 failed: no such file or directory" and "stat of /dev/tty2 failed: no such etc" > > If I turn off NBD swap it still fails with the "stat of /dev/tty1 failed" message. > > Any pointers on how to fix this? > > Thanks, > > Jesse > Doh! A fine example of a brown-bag release :-( I did test this before I uploaded it, I have no idea how my terminal managed to boot... I found the problem, but it takes a while to build new packages. In the meantime, you can revert to the old package. The 32bit repository has been back-rev'd, the 64bit repository should be done in 10 minutes or so... rpm -e --nodeps ltsp_i386 yum clean all yum install ltsp_i386 -Eric From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Wed May 24 21:43:30 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:43:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new LTSP 4.2 test packages with the VNC module built in In-Reply-To: <20060524171836.6211b5e0.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <20060524171836.6211b5e0.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060524174330.2ccef93b.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Wed, 24 May 2006 17:18:36 -0400 Jesse McDonnell wrote: > On Tue, 23 May 2006 22:09:29 -0700 (PDT) > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > The good news: > > > > I finally figured out a way to get the vnc X11 extension module to build > > consistently inside the LTSP build environment. I sent Jim the patch, > > hopefully the LTSP guys will find it useful as well. > > > > > > I added the patched ltsp_i386 packages to the 5.0 beta repositories, > > you should be able to run "yum update" in about 20 minutes or so to > > install the new package. > > > > Saw this while drinking my first cup of coffee this morning and thought, let me try it. Did a yum *upgrade* instead of update and now my clients won't boot. Shouldn't be so eager before I wake up properly. > > The client fails at line 74 of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit with "modprobe - command not found" then fails to connect to the swap server, and finally with the message "stat of /dev/tty1 failed: no such file or directory" and "stat of /dev/tty2 failed: no such etc" > > If I turn off NBD swap it still fails with the "stat of /dev/tty1 failed" message. > > Any pointers on how to fix this? > An addendum to my own posting: now that I'm catching more of the boot messages with nbd swap off I see it's failing even earlier with starting udev at line 30 of rc.sysinit: gives error message "/sbin/udev: no such file or directory" Looks like I've hosed the root file system on the client. I tried running the ltsp-initialize script and restarting the server but no joy. Jesse From dprentice at sstar.com Wed May 24 21:48:18 2006 From: dprentice at sstar.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:48:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hello, I'm sure this has been dealt with before, but I can't figure out how to search the archives. Is there an easy way on K12LTSP to prevent students from logging on to myspace.com? I've heard so many potential dangers that I don't want them accessing it from school. Thanks, Dave Prentice From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed May 24 21:51:02 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:51:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4474D546.8050406@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Dave Prentice wrote: > Hello, > I'm sure this has been dealt with before, but I can't figure out how to > search the archives. Is there an easy way on K12LTSP to prevent students > from logging on to myspace.com? I've heard so many potential dangers > that I don't want them accessing it from school. > Thanks, > Dave Prentice > It really depends on what you have for a gateway. That's the place you should block it. Another trick I use is to tell my internal DNS server that the ipaddress for any myspace.com address is 127.0.0.1 - works rather well =] Mike From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed May 24 21:53:01 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:53:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: <4474D546.8050406@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> <4474D546.8050406@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4474D5BD.7060801@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Mike Ely wrote: > Dave Prentice wrote: >> Hello, >> I'm sure this has been dealt with before, but I can't figure out how >> to search the archives. Is there an easy way on K12LTSP to prevent >> students from logging on to myspace.com? I've heard so many potential >> dangers that I don't want them accessing it from school. >> Thanks, >> Dave Prentice >> > > It really depends on what you have for a gateway. That's the place you > should block it. Another trick I use is to tell my internal DNS server > that the ipaddress for any myspace.com address is 127.0.0.1 - works > rather well =] > Ergh, self-referential reply. Anyhow, you can add the 127.0.0.1 entry to /etc/hosts on the LTSP server to the same effect. From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Wed May 24 22:00:53 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:00:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new LTSP 4.2 test packages with the VNC module built in In-Reply-To: <4474D083.6060306@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060524171836.6211b5e0.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <4474D083.6060306@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060524180053.391d345c.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Wed, 24 May 2006 14:30:43 -0700 Eric Harrison wrote: > Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > On Tue, 23 May 2006 22:09:29 -0700 (PDT) > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >> The good news: > >> > >> I finally figured out a way to get the vnc X11 extension module to build > >> consistently inside the LTSP build environment. I sent Jim the patch, > >> hopefully the LTSP guys will find it useful as well. > >> > >> > >> I added the patched ltsp_i386 packages to the 5.0 beta repositories, > >> you should be able to run "yum update" in about 20 minutes or so to > >> install the new package. > >> > > > > Saw this while drinking my first cup of coffee this morning and thought, let me try it. Did a yum *upgrade* instead of update and now my clients won't boot. Shouldn't be so eager before I wake up properly. > > > > The client fails at line 74 of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit with "modprobe - command not found" then fails to connect to the swap server, and finally with the message "stat of /dev/tty1 failed: no such file or directory" and "stat of /dev/tty2 failed: no such etc" > > > > If I turn off NBD swap it still fails with the "stat of /dev/tty1 failed" message. > > > > Any pointers on how to fix this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jesse > > > > > Doh! A fine example of a brown-bag release :-( > > I did test this before I uploaded it, I have no idea how my terminal > managed to boot... > > I found the problem, but it takes a while to build new packages. In the > meantime, you can revert to the old package. The 32bit repository has > been back-rev'd, the 64bit repository should be done in 10 minutes or so... > > rpm -e --nodeps ltsp_i386 > yum clean all > yum install ltsp_i386 That did it, I'm back in business. Thanks, Eric! As has been said here many many times, you couldn't pay for support this good. Jesse From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed May 24 22:17:46 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:17:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] new LTSP 4.2 test packages with the VNC module built in In-Reply-To: <20060524174330.2ccef93b.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <20060524171836.6211b5e0.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <20060524174330.2ccef93b.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4474DB8A.7040106@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 24 22:45:48 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:45:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4474E21C.9030607@mesd.k12.or.us> Dave Prentice wrote: > I'm sure this has been dealt with before, but I can't figure out how to > search the archives. For a rough search, you can google for: k12osn > Is there an easy way on K12LTSP to prevent students > from logging on to myspace.com? I've heard so many potential dangers > that I don't want them accessing it from school. I think the best way to do this is to contact your upstream filtering provider (if any), talk to your school policymakers, and see how it fits with the larger policy towards filtering. Conventional wisdom say you're as likely to be sued for overzealous filtering as under... Having said that, this will install and start the filtering that ships with K12LTSP, including: yum install squid squidGuard add the domains you must block to to: /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/domains chkconfig squid on chkconfig squidGuard on chkconfig transparent-proxying on /etc/init.d/squid start /etc/init.d/squidGuard start /etc/init.d/transparent-proxying start -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 24 23:27:41 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:27:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new LTSP 4.2 test packages with the VNC module built in In-Reply-To: <4474D083.6060306@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060524171836.6211b5e0.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <4474D083.6060306@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4474EBED.6010109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> The package rebuild has completed and has been tested. The server is pretty busy at the moment, the repositories may take longer than usual to rebuild. The fixed package should appear by 5:00pm PDT. -Eric Eric Harrison wrote: > Jesse McDonnell wrote: >> On Tue, 23 May 2006 22:09:29 -0700 (PDT) >> Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> The good news: >>> >>> I finally figured out a way to get the vnc X11 extension module to build >>> consistently inside the LTSP build environment. I sent Jim the patch, >>> hopefully the LTSP guys will find it useful as well. >>> >>> >>> I added the patched ltsp_i386 packages to the 5.0 beta repositories, >>> you should be able to run "yum update" in about 20 minutes or so to >>> install the new package. >>> >> Saw this while drinking my first cup of coffee this morning and thought, let me try it. Did a yum *upgrade* instead of update and now my clients won't boot. Shouldn't be so eager before I wake up properly. >> >> The client fails at line 74 of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit with "modprobe - command not found" then fails to connect to the swap server, and finally with the message "stat of /dev/tty1 failed: no such file or directory" and "stat of /dev/tty2 failed: no such etc" >> >> If I turn off NBD swap it still fails with the "stat of /dev/tty1 failed" message. >> >> Any pointers on how to fix this? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jesse >> > > > Doh! A fine example of a brown-bag release :-( > > I did test this before I uploaded it, I have no idea how my terminal > managed to boot... > > I found the problem, but it takes a while to build new packages. In the > meantime, you can revert to the old package. The 32bit repository has > been back-rev'd, the 64bit repository should be done in 10 minutes or so... > > rpm -e --nodeps ltsp_i386 > yum clean all > yum install ltsp_i386 > > > -Eric > From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed May 24 23:56:41 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:56:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4474F2B9.9070009@alltel.net> One easy way to do this is to go into the /etc/hosts file and add these sites at the end. examples: 127.0.0.1 myspace.com 127.0.0.1 www.myspace.com 127.0.0.1 what.ever.else.com Do not disturb the first 127.0.0.1 line in there!!!! It has to be there and correct for some things to work right. What this will do os cause the server to oint attemped connections to the localhost. If you have a webserver running, it will show your local site. . . Quick and dirty, but you will drive yourself nutz trying to keep up with all the variations of sites. . . There are places you can get lists of thousands of entries to ut in the /etc/hosts file that will do this very effectively. If I can remember, I will look that info u later. . . Doug Dave Prentice wrote: > Hello, > I'm sure this has been dealt with before, but I can't figure out how > to search the archives. Is there an easy way on K12LTSP to prevent > students from logging on to myspace.com? I've heard so many potential > dangers that I don't want them accessing it from school. > Thanks, > Dave Prentice > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu May 25 00:06:26 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 20:06:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: <4474E21C.9030607@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> < > <4474E21C.9030607@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 at 6:45 PM +0000 wrote: > Conventional wisdom say you're >as likely to be sued for overzealous filtering as under... Actually schools are not under any obligation to provide any internet access at all. You can block the bejeepers out of stuff and there's really nothing anyone can do about it ...except get mad. On the other hand....if you provide access and don't filter....especially in compliance with CIPA....then you can get into deep "doo-doo" David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu May 25 12:51:20 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:51:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] tomcat installation how to? Message-ID: <1148561480.11273.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello All, Does anyone have a good step.1 step.2 step.3 on how to get tomcat and all the zillion other deps required installed on FC3 and FC4 and get it to actually work out of the box? This is my first venture into doing tomcat. Im getting all sorts of java related errors when trying to start tomcat,having tried all sorts of different java packages to co-exist with tomcat. Reason being, Id like to try the opennms package that looks like a good network discovery tool, and i've went word for word from the install guide there but still no joy:( I'm thinking maybe i should just stick with ntop which has wprked out very well for us. Thanks, Barry Cisna From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu May 25 13:26:34 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:26:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] tomcat installation how to? In-Reply-To: <1148561480.11273.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1148561480.11273.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <4475B08A.1040304@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello All, > > Does anyone have a good step.1 step.2 step.3 on how to get tomcat and > all the zillion other deps required installed on FC3 and FC4 and get it > to actually work out of the box? > This is my first venture into doing tomcat. > Im getting all sorts of java related errors when trying to start > tomcat,having tried all sorts of different java packages to co-exist > with tomcat. > Reason being, Id like to try the opennms package that looks like a good > network discovery tool, and i've went word for word from the install > guide there but still no joy:( > I'm thinking maybe i should just stick with ntop which has wprked out > very well for us. > Thanks, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I've got TomCat / OpenNMS running on a Fedora 3 system. I'll try and dig out any note's I have that I used. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 25 13:28:07 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:28:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4475B0E7.7070905@maltzen.net> To search the mailing list archives for messages about myspace, go to google and enter myspace site:www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn I've posted a note about how to do this on the wiki, since it's come up before. Special thanks to Martin Woolley for pointing out how to do this. Petre Dave Prentice wrote: > Hello, > I'm sure this has been dealt with before, but I can't figure out how to > search the archives. Is there an easy way on K12LTSP to prevent students > from logging on to myspace.com? I've heard so many potential dangers > that I don't want them accessing it from school. > Thanks, > Dave Prentice > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From austinsr at uindy.edu Thu May 25 13:44:21 2006 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn Austin) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:44:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE question Message-ID: <4475B4B5.10908@uindy.edu> Hello all, I have been testing the newest beta of K12ltsp and have enjoyed the addition of fuse to this, but I have hit a stumbling block with it. I have successfully gotten fuse working through Gnome so far, but I was hoping there would be a way to use it from shell screen on the station. When I browse to the /tmp/drives directory, I can see the mount point, but cannot access any of the content unless I do so from Gnome. Has anyone tried doing anything like this and gotten it to work? Thanks, -- Shawn Austin Client Services University of Indianapolis From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 25 14:38:32 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:38:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE question In-Reply-To: <4475B4B5.10908@uindy.edu> References: <4475B4B5.10908@uindy.edu> Message-ID: <4475C168.5080004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Shawn Austin wrote: > Hello all, > > I have been testing the newest beta of K12ltsp and have enjoyed the > addition of fuse to this, but I have hit a stumbling block with it. > > I have successfully gotten fuse working through Gnome so far, but I was > hoping there would be a way to use it from shell screen on the station. > > When I browse to the /tmp/drives directory, I can see the mount point, > but cannot access any of the content unless I do so from Gnome. > > Has anyone tried doing anything like this and gotten it to work? > > Thanks, > The ltspfs mount point is the "Drives" directory in your home directory: cd ~/Drives/ -Eric From nick.hadgis at gmail.com Thu May 25 15:02:46 2006 From: nick.hadgis at gmail.com (Nick Hadgis) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:02:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tomcat installation how to? In-Reply-To: <1148561480.11273.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1148561480.11273.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <400d33020605250802m7a0b3996q558ef7d11db0b44f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Barry, I installed OpenNMS on Centos 4 minimal install following these instructions, which should not be much different for FC3/4: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-October/013376.html I think the trick is to install Java with the .bin file, not the rpm. The road block I ran into was initializing the postgresql db, but I found those instructions here: https://www.metnet.navy.mil/~hofschnr/GridExtension/Grid-Extension-install.html -Nick On 5/25/06, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello All, > > Does anyone have a good step.1 step.2 step.3 on how to get tomcat and > all the zillion other deps required installed on FC3 and FC4 and get it > to actually work out of the box? > This is my first venture into doing tomcat. > Im getting all sorts of java related errors when trying to start > tomcat,having tried all sorts of different java packages to co-exist > with tomcat. > Reason being, Id like to try the opennms package that looks like a good > network discovery tool, and i've went word for word from the install > guide there but still no joy:( > I'm thinking maybe i should just stick with ntop which has wprked out > very well for us. > Thanks, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 25 15:06:54 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:06:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> < > <4474E21C.9030607@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4475C80E.3060206@mesd.k12.or.us> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, May 24, 2006 at 6:45 PM +0000 wrote: >> Conventional wisdom say you're >> as likely to be sued for overzealous filtering as under... > > Actually schools are not under any obligation to provide any internet > access at all. You can block the bejeepers out of stuff and there's > really nothing anyone can do about it ...except get mad. On the other > hand....if you provide access and don't filter....especially in compliance > with CIPA....then you can get into deep "doo-doo" Certainly you must adhere to the laws/regulations as they apply to your community. I think there's probably a large continuum between "blocking the bejeepers out of stuff" and not filtering. Somewhere in there is the "right solution". ;-) -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From austinsr at uindy.edu Thu May 25 15:13:48 2006 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn Austin) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:13:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FUSE question In-Reply-To: <4475C168.5080004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4475B4B5.10908@uindy.edu> <4475C168.5080004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4475C9AC.6050104@uindy.edu> Thanks for the response Eric. Here is a bit of background on what I was trying to accomplish. The problem is that I am not running startx on any of the SCREEN_0* for these clients. The only screen that is accessable is SCREEN_01 which is running the rdesktop screen script on the local machine. The session is all running from the local machine and there is only the local root user running on the client. The only place that I found any reference to the mounted drives was in the /tmp directory, but I cant seem to access that data on the drives, so I cannot map a local devices for rdesktop to share with the windows TS. Thanks again, Shawn Austin Eric Harrison wrote: > Shawn Austin wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I have been testing the newest beta of K12ltsp and have enjoyed the >> addition of fuse to this, but I have hit a stumbling block with it. >> >> I have successfully gotten fuse working through Gnome so far, but I was >> hoping there would be a way to use it from shell screen on the station. >> >> When I browse to the /tmp/drives directory, I can see the mount point, >> but cannot access any of the content unless I do so from Gnome. >> >> Has anyone tried doing anything like this and gotten it to work? >> >> Thanks, >> >> > > The ltspfs mount point is the "Drives" directory in your home directory: > > cd ~/Drives/ > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Shawn Austin Client Services University of Indianapolis 788-3362 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 25 15:35:35 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:35:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> < > <4474E21C.9030607@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4475CEC7.7080409@paasda.org> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, May 24, 2006 at 6:45 PM +0000 wrote: >> Conventional wisdom say you're >> as likely to be sued for overzealous filtering as under... > > Actually schools are not under any obligation to provide any internet > access at all. You can block the bejeepers out of stuff and there's > really nothing anyone can do about it ...except get mad. On the other > hand....if you provide access and don't filter....especially in compliance > with CIPA....then you can get into deep "doo-doo" > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 Especially if you utilize E-Rate funds ;) From chan at sacredsf.org Thu May 25 16:22:46 2006 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: <4474F2B9.9070009@alltel.net> References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> <4474F2B9.9070009@alltel.net> Message-ID: Interesting tactic. Another one along the same lines, if you have access to your own DNS servers and can create virtual Web hosts, is to have them point to a real place, your own, with a message about why they were directed there. -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 On Wed, 24 May 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: > Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:56:41 -0500 > From: Doug Simpson > Reply-To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:55:00 -0700 > Resent-From: chan at sacredsf.org > Resent-To: hchan at albert.sacredsf.org > > One easy way to do this is to go into the /etc/hosts file and add these sites > at the end. > > examples: > > 127.0.0.1 myspace.com > 127.0.0.1 www.myspace.com > 127.0.0.1 what.ever.else.com > > > Do not disturb the first 127.0.0.1 line in there!!!! It has to be there and > correct for some things to work right. > > What this will do os cause the server to oint attemped connections to the > localhost. If you have a webserver running, it will show your local site. . > . > > Quick and dirty, but you will drive yourself nutz trying to keep up with all > the variations of sites. . . > > There are places you can get lists of thousands of entries to ut in the > /etc/hosts file that will do this very effectively. If I can remember, I > will look that info u later. . . > > Doug > > > Dave Prentice wrote: > >> Hello, >> I'm sure this has been dealt with before, but I can't figure out how to >> search the archives. Is there an easy way on K12LTSP to prevent students >> from logging on to myspace.com? I've heard so many potential dangers that I >> don't want them accessing it from school. >> Thanks, >> Dave Prentice >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbetts at msad52.org Thu May 25 16:41:04 2006 From: sbetts at msad52.org (Sharon Betts) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:41:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Final Call for Open Source Presenters at NECC 2006 (also looking In-Reply-To: References: <1144107494.2680.14.camel@server1.cisna> < > < > < > < > Message-ID: Hello Gentlemen, Steve, I am very impressed at the great lineup of speakers for open source at NECC. Is there anything I can do to help prepare for the "Birds of a Feather"? It seems that the open-bug is finally taking hold and I think the session will fly on its own. Looking forward to hearing from you and meeting you in San Diego, Sharon "Steve Hargadon" on Thursday, April 06, 2006 at 12:58 AM -0500 wrote: >I get back in town next week. That week or anytime there after would >be good for me. > >Steve > >On 4/5/06, Sharon Betts wrote: >> Very interesting. I am really tied up with local budgets and plans for >> another presentation. Can we plan a time to really put together the >panel >> format? >> Sharon >> >> chan at sacredsf.org on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 at 2:52 PM -0500 wrote: >> >My NECC presentation touches on social networking and talks about some >> >Open Source tools but it'll be redundant and partly not directly >relevant >> >to the Open Source sessions. >> > >> >-------------------------------------------------- >> >Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org >> >Technology Network Coordinator >> >Schools of the Sacred Heart >> >2222 Broadway St. >> >San Francisco, CA 94115 >> > >> > >> >On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Steve Hargadon wrote: >> > >> >> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:29:18 -0700 >> >> From: Steve Hargadon >> >> To: chan at sacredsf.org, >> >> Support list for opensource software in schools. > >> >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Final Call for Open Source Presenters at NECC >> >2006 (also >> >> looking for students!) >> >> Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:27:08 -0700 >> >> Resent-From: chan at sacredsf.org >> >> Resent-To: hchan at albert.sacredsf.org >> >> >> >> No, that's what we're generating right now. So far have blogging (2 >> >> people), podcasting, social networking, moodle (2 or three session), >> >> general intro. >> >> >> >> Got any ideas? >> >> >> >> On 4/4/06, Hoover Chan wrote: >> >>> Is there a list of presentations? >> >>> >> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >> >>> Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org >> >>> Technology Network Coordinator >> >>> Schools of the Sacred Heart >> >>> 2222 Broadway St. >> >>> San Francisco, CA 94115 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> K12OSN mailing list >> >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >>> For more info see >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Steve Hargadon >> >> steve at hargadon.com >> >> 916-899-1400 direct >> >> >> >> www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) >> >> www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) >> >> www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) >> >> www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) >> >> www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer >> >Reuse) >> >> www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software in >> >Schools) >> >> >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >K12OSN at redhat.com >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >For more info see >> >> >> >> Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 >> 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 >> 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org >> No generation in history has ever been so thoroughly prepared for the >> industrial age. -- David Warlick >> >> >> Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. >If >> you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, >> this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete >> this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. >> >> >> >> >> > > >-- >Steve Hargadon >steve at hargadon.com >916-899-1400 direct > >www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) >www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) >www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) >www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) >www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer Reuse) >www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software in Schools) > Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org No generation in history has ever been so thoroughly prepared for the industrial age. -- David Warlick If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please do not disclose, use, or copy it. If you have received this message in error, please delete this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. From les at futuresource.com Thu May 25 17:19:44 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (les) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:19:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] tomcat installation how to? In-Reply-To: <1148561480.11273.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1148561480.11273.5.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <1148577584.2701.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 07:51 -0500, Barry Cisna wrote: > Does anyone have a good step.1 step.2 step.3 on how to get tomcat and > all the zillion other deps required installed on FC3 and FC4 and get it > to actually work out of the box? It might be easier to install FC5 or the k12ltsp-5.0.0 beta where tomcat is already packaged. I haven't used it, but 'yum search' shows it in the repositories. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu May 25 17:23:00 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:23:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] new LTSP 4.2 test packages with the VNC module built in In-Reply-To: <4474EBED.6010109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060524171836.6211b5e0.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <4474D083.6060306@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4474EBED.6010109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4475E7F4.6010708@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Thu May 25 17:26:03 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:26:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> <4474F2B9.9070009@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> Nice idea, set the host file to 192.168.xx.xx (or what ever internal network IP) and set up an old P1 as the webserver there. The have the index.html page explain what is going on and why. A lot nicer then the "localhost" IP. Question though -- if the kid actually know that myspace.com=63.208.226.43 wouldn't he/she be able to bypass the host file/DNS entry? Gentgeen On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Hoover Chan wrote: > Interesting tactic. > > Another one along the same lines, if you have access to your own DNS > servers and can create virtual Web hosts, is to have them point to a > real place, your own, with a message about why they were directed > there. > > -------------------------------------------------- > Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org > Technology Network Coordinator > Schools of the Sacred Heart > 2222 Broadway St. > San Francisco, CA 94115 > > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > One easy way to do this is to go into the /etc/hosts file and add > > these sites at the end. > > > > examples: > > > > 127.0.0.1 myspace.com > > 127.0.0.1 www.myspace.com > > 127.0.0.1 what.ever.else.com > > > > > > Do not disturb the first 127.0.0.1 line in there!!!! It has to be > > there and correct for some things to work right. > > > > What this will do os cause the server to oint attemped connections > > to the localhost. If you have a webserver running, it will show > > your local site. . . > > > > Quick and dirty, but you will drive yourself nutz trying to keep up > > with all the variations of sites. . . > > > > There are places you can get lists of thousands of entries to ut in > > the /etc/hosts file that will do this very effectively. If I can > > remember, I will look that info u later. . . > > > > Doug > > > > > > Dave Prentice wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> I'm sure this has been dealt with before, but I can't figure out > >how to > search the archives. Is there an easy way on K12LTSP to > >prevent students > from logging on to myspace.com? I've heard so > >many potential dangers that I > don't want them accessing it from > >school. > Thanks, > >> Dave Prentice > >> -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 25 17:29:02 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:29:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> <4474F2B9.9070009@alltel.net> <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4475E95E.1040501@paasda.org> ahh gotta love those kids who figured out 'dig' or 'nslookup' ;) Gentgeen wrote: > Nice idea, set the host file to 192.168.xx.xx (or what ever internal > network IP) and set up an old P1 as the webserver there. The have the > index.html page explain what is going on and why. A lot nicer then the > "localhost" IP. > > Question though -- if the kid actually know that > myspace.com=63.208.226.43 wouldn't he/she be able to bypass the host > file/DNS entry? > > Gentgeen > > On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT) > Hoover Chan wrote: >> Interesting tactic. >> >> Another one along the same lines, if you have access to your own DNS >> servers and can create virtual Web hosts, is to have them point to a >> real place, your own, with a message about why they were directed >> there. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org >> Technology Network Coordinator >> Schools of the Sacred Heart >> 2222 Broadway St. >> San Francisco, CA 94115 >> >> >> On Wed, 24 May 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: >> >>> One easy way to do this is to go into the /etc/hosts file and add >>> these sites at the end. >>> >>> examples: >>> >>> 127.0.0.1 myspace.com >>> 127.0.0.1 www.myspace.com >>> 127.0.0.1 what.ever.else.com >>> >>> >>> Do not disturb the first 127.0.0.1 line in there!!!! It has to be >>> there and correct for some things to work right. >>> >>> What this will do os cause the server to oint attemped connections >>> to the localhost. If you have a webserver running, it will show >>> your local site. . . >>> >>> Quick and dirty, but you will drive yourself nutz trying to keep up >>> with all the variations of sites. . . >>> >>> There are places you can get lists of thousands of entries to ut in >>> the /etc/hosts file that will do this very effectively. If I can >>> remember, I will look that info u later. . . >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> Dave Prentice wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> I'm sure this has been dealt with before, but I can't figure out >>> how to > search the archives. Is there an easy way on K12LTSP to >>> prevent students > from logging on to myspace.com? I've heard so >>> many potential dangers that I > don't want them accessing it from >>> school. > Thanks, >>>> Dave Prentice >>>> > > > From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu May 25 17:29:09 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:29:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> <4474F2B9.9070009@alltel.net> <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4475E965.9090800@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Gentgeen wrote: > Nice idea, set the host file to 192.168.xx.xx (or what ever internal > network IP) and set up an old P1 as the webserver there. The have the > index.html page explain what is going on and why. A lot nicer then the > "localhost" IP. > > Question though -- if the kid actually know that > myspace.com=63.208.226.43 wouldn't he/she be able to bypass the host > file/DNS entry? > Fix that in iptables: iptables -I INPUT -s 63.208.226.43 -j REJECT Mike From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 25 17:30:10 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:30:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> <4474F2B9.9070009@alltel.net> <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4475E9A2.4080707@mesd.k12.or.us> Gentgeen wrote: > Nice idea, set the host file to 192.168.xx.xx (or what ever internal > network IP) and set up an old P1 as the webserver there. The have the > index.html page explain what is going on and why. A lot nicer then the > "localhost" IP. > > Question though -- if the kid actually know that > myspace.com=63.208.226.43 wouldn't he/she be able to bypass the host > file/DNS entry? Sure, or go to one of a thousand different web proxies. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu May 25 17:34:07 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:34:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: <4475E9A2.4080707@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> <4474F2B9.9070009@alltel.net> <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> <4475E9A2.4080707@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4475EA8F.2010006@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Dan Young wrote: > Gentgeen wrote: >> Nice idea, set the host file to 192.168.xx.xx (or what ever internal >> network IP) and set up an old P1 as the webserver there. The have the >> index.html page explain what is going on and why. A lot nicer then the >> "localhost" IP. >> >> Question though -- if the kid actually know that >> myspace.com=63.208.226.43 wouldn't he/she be able to bypass the host >> file/DNS entry? > > Sure, or go to one of a thousand different web proxies. > You can catch the vast majority of those with a scant few regexes tested against the URL: (nph-proxy.[cgi|pl]) (nph-proxya.[cgi|pl]) (nph-proxyb.[cgi|pl]) (nph-surf.[cgi|pl]) (nph-one.[cgi|pl]) (nph-teste.[cgi|pl]) That'll work until the kids figure out to rename the path to their proxy. Then you'll have to use deeper inspection. Mike From mobilemike at gmail.com Thu May 25 17:37:39 2006 From: mobilemike at gmail.com (Mike Karolow) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:37:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <6d45a3890605251037u39122345v96d03f82e5190780@mail.gmail.com> > Hello, > I'm sure this has been dealt with before, but I can't figure out how to > search the archives. Is there an easy way on K12LTSP to prevent students > from logging on to myspace.com? I've heard so many potential dangers that I > don't want them accessing it from school. > Thanks, > Dave Prentice Can DansGuard or somthing simmilar to regex matchin on page contents? Couldn't you then block any page that had some unique string found only in the source of myspace? Something like "http://x.myspace.com/js/css/master.css"? Or, is this too expensive on the proxy? - Mike Karolow From olle at paalalinn.com Thu May 25 17:43:06 2006 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:43:06 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> <4474F2B9.9070009@alltel.net> <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4475ECAA.60604@paalalinn.com> Gentgeen wrote: >Question though -- if the kid actually know that >myspace.com=63.208.226.43 wouldn't he/she be able to bypass the host >file/DNS entry? > >Gentgeen > > Example make file /root/denied where you write in something like that: route add -host xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx reject make this executable with chmod +x /root/denied and edit file /etc/inittab and add this line: ke:345:once:/root/denied Now nice little reboot to test it and... BUT: it doesn't help when kid can use some freely available proxy server. But if you find out that proxi server address, you can blok it too. I use this kind script in firewall to block www.runescape.com all 7 ip addresses or more... Olle Niit From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 25 18:02:12 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:02:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: <4475EA8F.2010006@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> <4474F2B9.9070009@alltel.net> <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> <4475E9A2.4080707@mesd.k12.or.us> <4475EA8F.2010006@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4475F124.9000202@mesd.k12.or.us> Mike Ely wrote: > Dan Young wrote: >> Sure, or go to one of a thousand different web proxies. >> > > You can catch the vast majority of those with a scant few regexes tested > against the URL: > > (nph-proxy.[cgi|pl]) > (nph-proxya.[cgi|pl]) > (nph-proxyb.[cgi|pl]) > (nph-surf.[cgi|pl]) > (nph-one.[cgi|pl]) > (nph-teste.[cgi|pl]) > > That'll work until the kids figure out to rename the path to their > proxy. Then you'll have to use deeper inspection. Yeah, grep is your friend. What I was getting at is that there may be a point of diminishing returns, where an "arms race" will push the kids who _will_ get to where they want to go further underground. Then you lose your auditing capability. Just as an example, have you seen this? http://torpark.nfshost.com/ I noted earlier that I've also seen several lately with obscured URLs, i.e. base64 encoding or ROT13. I ran across one today that seemed to use a substitution cipher, with the key embedded as part of the URL. Whee fun! -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu May 25 18:10:45 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:10:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: <4475F124.9000202@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> <4474F2B9.9070009@alltel.net> <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> <4475E9A2.4080707@mesd.k12.or.us> <4475EA8F.2010006@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <4475F124.9000202@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4475F325.1040200@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Dan Young wrote: > Mike Ely wrote: >> Dan Young wrote: >>> Sure, or go to one of a thousand different web proxies. >>> >> You can catch the vast majority of those with a scant few regexes tested >> against the URL: >> >> (nph-proxy.[cgi|pl]) >> (nph-proxya.[cgi|pl]) >> (nph-proxyb.[cgi|pl]) >> (nph-surf.[cgi|pl]) >> (nph-one.[cgi|pl]) >> (nph-teste.[cgi|pl]) >> >> That'll work until the kids figure out to rename the path to their >> proxy. Then you'll have to use deeper inspection. > > Yeah, grep is your friend. > > What I was getting at is that there may be a point of diminishing > returns, where an "arms race" will push the kids who _will_ get to where > they want to go further underground. Then you lose your auditing > capability. Just as an example, have you seen this? > > http://torpark.nfshost.com/ > > I noted earlier that I've also seen several lately with obscured URLs, > i.e. base64 encoding or ROT13. I ran across one today that seemed to use > a substitution cipher, with the key embedded as part of the URL. Whee fun! > Absolutely. The technology to obfuscate will always win over our blocking given a determined attacker. Supervision is key... From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 25 19:11:42 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:11:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new LTSP 4.2 test packages with the VNC module built in In-Reply-To: <4475E7F4.6010708@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <20060524171836.6211b5e0.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <4474D083.6060306@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4474EBED.6010109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4475E7F4.6010708@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <4476016E.5000104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Joe Guenther wrote: > Eric, > > fine fine work!! The yum update worked perfectly. The Macromedia Flash install > worked perfectly. The PC clients boot perfectly, the iMac clients boot > perfectly. Uum, this is getting very close to a production ready beta, from the > things that I have tried and tested. Well done. > > One little itty bitty fly in the ointment .... when one uses a different IP > address for the server thatn192.168.0.254 (I use a 10.x.100.1) the LTSP > initialize script passes the that IP address on to the proper config files - > etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf, etc/exports, etc/hosts, opt/ltsp/etc/lts.conf but it > does NOT pass that address on to the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf. The X session > on an iMac client will not work until you go and change the ip address in that > file. I know about it and make the change during my initial install, but there > may be users that use PC and then try a PPC client, only to not have it work. Of > course this is all based on the change of the server IP address to use something > other than the standard 192.168.0.254 Yes indeed, that needs to be fixed. I should have it done tomorrow. Thanks for catching it ;-) > Just a little tip - but otherwise an incredible piece of work on the new betas. > I have followed the beta process more closely this time as I was in the middle > of a demo setup and wanted to demonstrate the new local mounting of USB / > CD-rom. The first couple of betas were a bit rough, but this is looking finely > polished already. Hat's off to you Eric! > > Joe Guenther I now just need to figure out this stinking problem with the keyboard preferences crashing terminals! -Eric > > Eric Harrison wrote: >> The package rebuild has completed and has been tested. >> >> The server is pretty busy at the moment, the repositories may take >> longer than usual to rebuild. The fixed package should appear by 5:00pm PDT. >> >> -Eric >> >> >> Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> Jesse McDonnell wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 23 May 2006 22:09:29 -0700 (PDT) >>>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> The good news: >>>>> >>>>> I finally figured out a way to get the vnc X11 extension module to build >>>>> consistently inside the LTSP build environment. I sent Jim the patch, >>>>> hopefully the LTSP guys will find it useful as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I added the patched ltsp_i386 packages to the 5.0 beta repositories, >>>>> you should be able to run "yum update" in about 20 minutes or so to >>>>> install the new package. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Saw this while drinking my first cup of coffee this morning and thought, let me try it. Did a yum *upgrade* instead of update and now my clients won't boot. Shouldn't be so eager before I wake up properly. >>>> >>>> The client fails at line 74 of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit with "modprobe - command not found" then fails to connect to the swap server, and finally with the message "stat of /dev/tty1 failed: no such file or directory" and "stat of /dev/tty2 failed: no such etc" >>>> >>>> If I turn off NBD swap it still fails with the "stat of /dev/tty1 failed" message. >>>> >>>> Any pointers on how to fix this? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Jesse >>>> >>>> >>> Doh! A fine example of a brown-bag release :-( >>> >>> I did test this before I uploaded it, I have no idea how my terminal >>> managed to boot... >>> >>> I found the problem, but it takes a while to build new packages. In the >>> meantime, you can revert to the old package. The 32bit repository has >>> been back-rev'd, the 64bit repository should be done in 10 minutes or so... >>> >>> rpm -e --nodeps ltsp_i386 >>> yum clean all >>> yum install ltsp_i386 >>> >>> >>> -Eric >>> >>> >> From jam at mcquil.com Thu May 25 19:50:28 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] new LTSP 4.2 test packages with the VNC module built in In-Reply-To: <4476016E.5000104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060524171836.6211b5e0.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <4474D083.6060306@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4474EBED.6010109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4475E7F4.6010708@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <4476016E.5000104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <42295.68.250.145.129.1148586628.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Thu, May 25, 2006 3:11 pm, Eric Harrison wrote: > Joe Guenther wrote: >> Eric, >> >> fine fine work!! The yum update worked perfectly. The Macromedia Flash >> install >> worked perfectly. The PC clients boot perfectly, the iMac clients boot >> perfectly. Uum, this is getting very close to a production ready beta, >> from the >> things that I have tried and tested. Well done. >> >> One little itty bitty fly in the ointment .... when one uses a different >> IP >> address for the server thatn192.168.0.254 (I use a 10.x.100.1) the LTSP >> initialize script passes the that IP address on to the proper config >> files - >> etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf, etc/exports, etc/hosts, opt/ltsp/etc/lts.conf >> but it >> does NOT pass that address on to the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf. The X >> session >> on an iMac client will not work until you go and change the ip address >> in that >> file. I know about it and make the change during my initial install, >> but there >> may be users that use PC and then try a PPC client, only to not have it >> work. Of >> course this is all based on the change of the server IP address to use >> something >> other than the standard 192.168.0.254 > > Yes indeed, that needs to be fixed. I should have it done tomorrow. > > Thanks for catching it ;-) > >> Just a little tip - but otherwise an incredible piece of work on the new >> betas. >> I have followed the beta process more closely this time as I was in the >> middle >> of a demo setup and wanted to demonstrate the new local mounting of USB >> / >> CD-rom. The first couple of betas were a bit rough, but this is looking >> finely >> polished already. Hat's off to you Eric! >> >> Joe Guenther > > I now just need to figure out this stinking problem with the keyboard > preferences crashing terminals! X.org just released 7.1. I'm thinking it would make sense to move from 6.9 to 7.1, and then see if the crashing still occurs. The only problem is, it's a HUGE jump because 6.9 was the monolithic X build, while 7.1 is the new modular build. I suspect we'll have about 30 package.def files to handle the entire build. Fortunately, it will make individual updates to the Xservers much easier. *Maybe* I'll have a chance this weekend to work on that stuff. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > -Eric > >> >> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> The package rebuild has completed and has been tested. >>> >>> The server is pretty busy at the moment, the repositories may take >>> longer than usual to rebuild. The fixed package should appear by 5:00pm >>> PDT. >>> >>> -Eric >>> >>> >>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> >>>> Jesse McDonnell wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2006 22:09:29 -0700 (PDT) >>>>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The good news: >>>>>> >>>>>> I finally figured out a way to get the vnc X11 extension module to >>>>>> build >>>>>> consistently inside the LTSP build environment. I sent Jim the >>>>>> patch, >>>>>> hopefully the LTSP guys will find it useful as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I added the patched ltsp_i386 packages to the 5.0 beta repositories, >>>>>> you should be able to run "yum update" in about 20 minutes or so to >>>>>> install the new package. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Saw this while drinking my first cup of coffee this morning and >>>>> thought, let me try it. Did a yum *upgrade* instead of update and now >>>>> my clients won't boot. Shouldn't be so eager before I wake up >>>>> properly. >>>>> >>>>> The client fails at line 74 of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit with >>>>> "modprobe - command not found" then fails to connect to the swap >>>>> server, and finally with the message "stat of /dev/tty1 failed: no >>>>> such file or directory" and "stat of /dev/tty2 failed: no such etc" >>>>> >>>>> If I turn off NBD swap it still fails with the "stat of /dev/tty1 >>>>> failed" message. >>>>> >>>>> Any pointers on how to fix this? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Jesse >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Doh! A fine example of a brown-bag release :-( >>>> >>>> I did test this before I uploaded it, I have no idea how my terminal >>>> managed to boot... >>>> >>>> I found the problem, but it takes a while to build new packages. In >>>> the >>>> meantime, you can revert to the old package. The 32bit repository has >>>> been back-rev'd, the 64bit repository should be done in 10 minutes or >>>> so... >>>> >>>> rpm -e --nodeps ltsp_i386 >>>> yum clean all >>>> yum install ltsp_i386 >>>> >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> >>>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jritchie at bible.edu Thu May 25 20:10:25 2006 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah S.) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:10:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com Message-ID: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA45547E@rebekah.bible.edu> To take this a different direction, I'd like to voice an opinion that while filtering is critical, some form of education in web ethics and security should be considered equally critical. They should have the knowledge to protect themselves and then we don't just shrug off the legal issues, but equip the students with tools to protect themselves no matter what network they are on. They'll appreciate it better also. JSR/ -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dave Prentice Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:48 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com Hello, I'm sure this has been dealt with before, but I can't figure out how to search the archives. Is there an easy way on K12LTSP to prevent students from logging on to myspace.com? I've heard so many potential dangers that I don't want them accessing it from school. Thanks, Dave Prentice _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jritchie at bible.edu Thu May 25 20:15:21 2006 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah S.) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:15:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No Technology Can Stop These Students Message-ID: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA45547F@rebekah.bible.edu> I thought this list might be able to take special pleasure in this email message I received from a fellow tech friend. The names have been generalized to protect this innocent. JSR/ -------------------------- Year end note: In spite of all the efforts made by the Technology Department to keep the high school computer system secure, we have failed. We have created system policies that force you to periodically change your passwords. Other system policies require a minimum number of characters in your password. We have purchased firewalls and switches with the highest level of security built into them. We regularly check system log files checking for unusual system activity. We have spent hours setting up and testing the restrictions we have applied to students so that teacher files and online grades are secure. But to my disappointment I have discovered that some students are easily circumventing our security. They are able to log onto any computer on campus and have access to teacher files and faculty Share Data folders. I know what you are thinking..."with the great Technology Department we have at the high school I know they will be able to stop this threat." I am sorry to say that there is no technology available or no amount of money that can stop these ingenious students. But, we have identified the student profile of these students that are able to enter and exit our computer system in stealth mode. All these students have one thing in common... * * * * * * * * * * * * * They have a parent that work here. PLEASE DO NOT GIVE YOUR PASSWORD TO YOUR KIDS! Have a great summer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crobinson at usd440.com Thu May 25 21:05:58 2006 From: crobinson at usd440.com (Charlie Robinson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:05:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com References: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA45547E@rebekah.bible.edu> Message-ID: <004201c6803f$07979f30$b585d940@PC0410> Take it another step, while you are at it. Use the analogy that the Internet is like an automobile, you don't drive it without proper instruction, practice, and passing a battery of knowledge and demonstration tests. Kansas does not require students to pass a proficiency exam to use the Internet, but I'm not so certain that they shouldn't. Charlie Robinson Intel MT - Systems Administrator USD440 Halstead-Bentley Halstead, KS From steven at simplycircus.com Thu May 25 21:30:19 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:30:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perhaps direct them to a school hosted social networking site? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Hoover Chan > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:23 PM > To: Doug Simpson > Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com > > > Interesting tactic. > > Another one along the same lines, if you have access to your own DNS > servers and can create virtual Web hosts, is to have them point to a real > place, your own, with a message about why they were directed there. > > -------------------------------------------------- > Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org > Technology Network Coordinator > Schools of the Sacred Heart > 2222 Broadway St. > San Francisco, CA 94115 > > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:56:41 -0500 > > From: Doug Simpson > > Reply-To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com > > Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:55:00 -0700 > > Resent-From: chan at sacredsf.org > > Resent-To: hchan at albert.sacredsf.org > > > > One easy way to do this is to go into the /etc/hosts file and > add these sites > > at the end. > > > > examples: > > > > 127.0.0.1 myspace.com > > 127.0.0.1 www.myspace.com > > 127.0.0.1 what.ever.else.com > > > > > > Do not disturb the first 127.0.0.1 line in there!!!! It has to > be there and > > correct for some things to work right. > > > > What this will do os cause the server to oint attemped > connections to the > > localhost. If you have a webserver running, it will show your > local site. . > > . > > > > Quick and dirty, but you will drive yourself nutz trying to > keep up with all > > the variations of sites. . . > > > > There are places you can get lists of thousands of entries to ut in the > > /etc/hosts file that will do this very effectively. If I can > remember, I > > will look that info u later. . . > > > > Doug > > > > > > Dave Prentice wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> I'm sure this has been dealt with before, but I can't figure > out how to > >> search the archives. Is there an easy way on K12LTSP to > prevent students > >> from logging on to myspace.com? I've heard so many potential > dangers that I > >> don't want them accessing it from school. > >> Thanks, > >> Dave Prentice > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 25 22:22:43 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:22:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Freeswan VPN In-Reply-To: <1148339506.31728.9.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> References: <1148339506.31728.9.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <44762E33.3080008@paasda.org> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello Luck, > > I am using Openswan as a vpn between our main campus to two other > buildings in our newly formed school district as of this year. It is > pretty easy to setup & like everything else in this biz, until you get > it to actually work one time, you don't really no the seqeunce you > should be seeing as far as making a sucssesful connection. In setting up > openswan I did use a lot of the help documentation from the Freeswan > website for making variuos connections. > What you will want to do is make a "roadwarrior" connection available > for this individual so they can access your school server from home. > Once you get a sucssesful setup, thereafter it is a rock solid > connection , I have found. > > > Barry Cisna Barry, Everything I've read on freeswan HAS thoroughly confused me =) It appears from what I gleaned that there must be TWO endpoints and each endpoint must be running Linux. Maybe I'm missing something on the 'roadwarrior' side...but with the examples I saw it was 'install linux on laptop and ipsec, make a keypair and some other jazz and voila' Do you have links to the web resources you used to set it up by chance? I've scoured freeswan.net, which only added to my confusion. Thanks, --Huck From chan at sacredsf.org Thu May 25 22:37:15 2006 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> <4474F2B9.9070009@alltel.net> <20060525132603.4d14f1eb@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Yes, if the person knew the actual IP address, the simple DNS trick wouldn't work. At that point, your best bet might be to revise the access control list for the router. -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 On Thu, 25 May 2006, Gentgeen wrote: > Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:26:03 -0400 > From: Gentgeen > To: chan at sacredsf.org, > Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:24:07 -0700 > Resent-From: chan at sacredsf.org > Resent-To: hchan at albert.sacredsf.org > > > Nice idea, set the host file to 192.168.xx.xx (or what ever internal > network IP) and set up an old P1 as the webserver there. The have the > index.html page explain what is going on and why. A lot nicer then the > "localhost" IP. > > Question though -- if the kid actually know that > myspace.com=63.208.226.43 wouldn't he/she be able to bypass the host > file/DNS entry? > > Gentgeen > > On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT) > Hoover Chan wrote: >> Interesting tactic. >> >> Another one along the same lines, if you have access to your own DNS >> servers and can create virtual Web hosts, is to have them point to a >> real place, your own, with a message about why they were directed >> there. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org >> Technology Network Coordinator >> Schools of the Sacred Heart >> 2222 Broadway St. >> San Francisco, CA 94115 >> >> >> On Wed, 24 May 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: >> >>> One easy way to do this is to go into the /etc/hosts file and add >>> these sites at the end. >>> >>> examples: >>> >>> 127.0.0.1 myspace.com >>> 127.0.0.1 www.myspace.com >>> 127.0.0.1 what.ever.else.com >>> >>> >>> Do not disturb the first 127.0.0.1 line in there!!!! It has to be >>> there and correct for some things to work right. >>> >>> What this will do os cause the server to oint attemped connections >>> to the localhost. If you have a webserver running, it will show >>> your local site. . . >>> >>> Quick and dirty, but you will drive yourself nutz trying to keep up >>> with all the variations of sites. . . >>> >>> There are places you can get lists of thousands of entries to ut in >>> the /etc/hosts file that will do this very effectively. If I can >>> remember, I will look that info u later. . . >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> Dave Prentice wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> I'm sure this has been dealt with before, but I can't figure out >>> how to > search the archives. Is there an easy way on K12LTSP to >>> prevent students > from logging on to myspace.com? I've heard so >>> many potential dangers that I > don't want them accessing it from >>> school. > Thanks, >>>> Dave Prentice >>>> > > > > -- > http://gentgeen.homelinux.org > > ############################################################# > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > From ssanders at coin.org Fri May 26 02:12:34 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:12:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to block myspace.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060524160041.76F6B732A4@hormel.redhat.com> <4474F2B9.9070009@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1148609554.14763.31.camel@bofh.ltsp> Here is some info on accessing blocked web pages. http://www.accessit.v33.org/ You may want to block http://kp1.no-ip.org as well. From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 02:36:31 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] X starts, but turns off before GDM Message-ID: <20060526023631.36710.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm having a problem with one thin client. It is *not* the gray screen issue. What I'm getting is X looks like it's starting up, complete with the mouse "icon" that indicates working, then the thin client beeps and the screen goes black. Then automatically X attempts to start again, and the same thing happens over and over. I have a RIVA 128 video card, and I had to manually set the XSERVER = XF86_SVGA to get as far as I am. Perhaps that's not correct? Any ideas of what my problem could be? Lots of other clients boot fine off of this same server. Thanks. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sbarar at gmail.com Fri May 26 02:41:32 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:11:32 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] X starts, but turns off before GDM In-Reply-To: <20060526023631.36710.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060526023631.36710.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <774593a20605251941u4dda4cc2sbb59a6f172d9f9ee@mail.gmail.com> On 26/05/06, Rob Owens wrote: > I have a RIVA 128 video card, and I had to manually > set the XSERVER = XF86_SVGA to get as far as I am. > Perhaps that's not correct? > Try XSERVER=vesa and try at a lower resolution. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 02:37:58 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] default lts.conf ? Message-ID: <20060526023758.50650.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Could somebody please post the default lts.conf file that comes with K12LTSP? Thanks -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From robark at gmail.com Fri May 26 04:47:38 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:47:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] X starts, but turns off before GDM In-Reply-To: <20060526023631.36710.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060526023631.36710.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/25/06, Rob Owens wrote: > I'm having a problem with one thin client. It is > *not* the gray screen issue. What I'm getting is X > looks like it's starting up, complete with the mouse > "icon" that indicates working, then the thin client > beeps and the screen goes black. Then automatically X > attempts to start again, and the same thing happens > over and over. > > I have a RIVA 128 video card, and I had to manually > set the XSERVER = XF86_SVGA to get as far as I am. > Perhaps that's not correct? > > Any ideas of what my problem could be? Lots of other > clients boot fine off of this same server. All my clients are RIVA 128. I bet you are trying to run them at 16 bit color. Xorg or Xfree86 don't support 16 bit color for this card. I have to run them at 24 bit color in lts.conf. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri May 26 12:56:08 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:56:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] were are phantom users located? Message-ID: <1148648168.15103.9.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello All, After batch deleting most all of our students for the years end, with the use of webmin,( to clear out files etc) I then "rebuilt" the userlist for upcoming schoo lyear, and readded the users to each of our servers. But one of the servers , when i readd the users with webmin shows " duplicate user "( as if the user is added already) and of course does not add this user? Ive looked through the passwd file,and they are surely not listed there. I even went so far as to totally delete webmin,,thinking the users were cached in webmin somehow from adding to the other servers. Were could webmin be seeing these users as existing? I did get all of my rebuilt list added to 3 other servers , with no probs. I searched webmin mailing list and couldn't find any hits on this. I did also delete the users from the samba password file as well,thinking this was causing the prob, still no joy. K12LTSP v 4.2.1 Thanks, Barry Cisna From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri May 26 13:01:25 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:01:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] were are phantom users located? In-Reply-To: <1148648168.15103.9.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1148648168.15103.9.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: It could be that the user in question is listed twice in the file you are batch adding. . . Been there, done that. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 26 May 2006, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello All, > > After batch deleting most all of our students for the years end, with > the use of webmin,( to clear out files etc) I then "rebuilt" the > userlist for upcoming schoo lyear, and readded the users to each of our > servers. But one of the servers , when i readd the users with webmin > shows " duplicate user "( as if the user is added already) and of course > does not add this user? Ive looked through the passwd file,and they are > surely not listed there. I even went so far as to totally delete > webmin,,thinking the users were cached in webmin somehow from adding to > the other servers. > Were could webmin be seeing these users as existing? I did get all of my > rebuilt list added to 3 other servers , with no probs. > I searched webmin mailing list and couldn't find any hits on this. > I did also delete the users from the samba password file as > well,thinking this was causing the prob, still no joy. > > K12LTSP v 4.2.1 > > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 26 13:23:57 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:23:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] were are phantom users located? In-Reply-To: <1148648168.15103.9.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1148648168.15103.9.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <4477016D.3050305@maltzen.net> Perhaps webmin, when removing user IDs from /etc/password, somehow failed to also remove the corresponding IDs in /etc/shadow (?). Petre Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello All, > > After batch deleting most all of our students for the years end, with > the use of webmin,( to clear out files etc) I then "rebuilt" the > userlist for upcoming schoo lyear, and readded the users to each of our > servers. But one of the servers , when i readd the users with webmin > shows " duplicate user "( as if the user is added already) and of course > does not add this user? Ive looked through the passwd file,and they are > surely not listed there. I even went so far as to totally delete > webmin,,thinking the users were cached in webmin somehow from adding to > the other servers. > Were could webmin be seeing these users as existing? I did get all of my > rebuilt list added to 3 other servers , with no probs. > I searched webmin mailing list and couldn't find any hits on this. > I did also delete the users from the samba password file as > well,thinking this was causing the prob, still no joy. > > K12LTSP v 4.2.1 > > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 13:43:28 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] were are phantom users located? In-Reply-To: <1148648168.15103.9.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <20060526134328.3814.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do home directories still exist for the deleted users? Perhaps webmin is picking up on this? --- Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello All, > > After batch deleting most all of our students for > the years end, with > the use of webmin,( to clear out files etc) I then > "rebuilt" the > userlist for upcoming schoo lyear, and readded the > users to each of our > servers. But one of the servers , when i readd the > users with webmin > shows " duplicate user "( as if the user is added > already) and of course > does not add this user? Ive looked through the > passwd file,and they are > surely not listed there. I even went so far as to > totally delete > webmin,,thinking the users were cached in webmin > somehow from adding to > the other servers. > Were could webmin be seeing these users as existing? > I did get all of my > rebuilt list added to 3 other servers , with no > probs. > I searched webmin mailing list and couldn't find any > hits on this. > I did also delete the users from the samba password > file as > well,thinking this was causing the prob, still no > joy. > > K12LTSP v 4.2.1 > > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 13:38:04 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] X starts, but turns off before GDM In-Reply-To: <774593a20605251941u4dda4cc2sbb59a6f172d9f9ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060526133804.34785.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, I forgot about that option. It worked. -Rob --- Sudev Barar wrote: > On 26/05/06, Rob Owens wrote: > > I have a RIVA 128 video card, and I had to > manually > > set the XSERVER = XF86_SVGA to get as far as I am. > > Perhaps that's not correct? > > > > Try XSERVER=vesa and try at a lower resolution. > > HTH > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dbm at us.ibm.com Fri May 26 14:47:50 2006 From: dbm at us.ibm.com (Dave Murray) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:47:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dave Murray/Rochester/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 05/26/2006 and will not return until 05/30/2006. I will be out of the office and will not be checking messages. From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 13:42:00 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] X starts, but turns off before GDM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060526134200.42314.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 5/25/06, Rob Owens wrote: > > I'm having a problem with one thin client. It is > > *not* the gray screen issue. What I'm getting is > X > > looks like it's starting up, complete with the > mouse > > "icon" that indicates working, then the thin > client > > beeps and the screen goes black. Then > automatically X > > attempts to start again, and the same thing > happens > > over and over. > > > > I have a RIVA 128 video card, and I had to > manually > > set the XSERVER = XF86_SVGA to get as far as I am. > > Perhaps that's not correct? > > > > Any ideas of what my problem could be? Lots of > other > > clients boot fine off of this same server. > > All my clients are RIVA 128. I bet you are trying to > run them at 16 > bit color. Xorg or Xfree86 don't support 16 bit > color for this card. I > have to run them at 24 bit color in lts.conf. > I fixed my problem with XSERVER = vesa, but I'd still like to know how you deal with these video cards. I seem to recall an error message at one point about "depth 16". How do I stop it from trying to run at 16 bit color? Do you use XSERVER = vesa, or XSERVER = auto? Do you need a special mode line? I don't fully understand the mode lines... Thanks -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri May 26 15:01:47 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:01:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] were are phantom users located? Message-ID: <1148655708.6654.4.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello again, Thanks for all of the invisable user suggestions. I've looked through my adduser batch file for webmin,and this is the same one that successfully added users to 3 other servers. There are no duplicate entries, the id's look like they are in tact, and the users that are shown as "dulpicates" do not have home folders residing on this server. I double checked both the passwd & the shadow, gshadow file and they look empty in the right spots. Still scratching head. Thanks, Barry From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri May 26 15:30:00 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:30:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] X starts, but turns off before GDM In-Reply-To: <20060526134200.42314.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060526134200.42314.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44771EF8.1060907@saskforestcentre.ca> >> All my clients are RIVA 128. I bet you are trying to >> run them at 16 >> bit color. Xorg or Xfree86 don't support 16 bit >> color for this card. I >> have to run them at 24 bit color in lts.conf. >> >> > > I fixed my problem with XSERVER = vesa, but I'd still > like to know how you deal with these video cards. I > seem to recall an error message at one point about > "depth 16". How do I stop it from trying to run at 16 > bit color? Do you use XSERVER = vesa, or XSERVER = > auto? Do you need a special mode line? I don't fully > understand the mode lines... > > Thanks > > -Rob > Google for "X_COLOR_DEPTH", which is a parameter in lts.conf. That's about all you need to set, either globally or by station. From http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/lts_ig_v2.3/lts_ig_v2.3-9.html: *X_COLOR_DEPTH* This is the number of bits to use for the color depth. Possible values are *8*, *15*, *16*, *24* and *32*. 8 bits will give 256 colors, 16 will give 65536 colors, 24 will give 16 million colors and 32 bits will give 4.2 billion colors! Not all X servers support all of these values. The default value for this is *16* From henryhartley at westat.com Fri May 26 18:36:39 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:36:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting 4.2.3 EL (32-bit) Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D990@MAILBE2.westat.com> I've downloaded the four ISO files and burned CDs for K12LTSP 4.2.3 EL (32-bit). Everything went smoothly but my machine doesn't want to boot from CD #1. When I look on the CD is seems to have all the same files I see here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/i386 (and specifically in the isolinux directory, which I assume is pretty vital here). The machine boots fine from other CDs. It sounds like I have a bad burn but I thought I'd check here first. Is this CD suppose to be bootable? When I attempt to boot from disc 1, I get the following three lines: ISOLINUX 2.11 2004-08-16 Copyright (C) 1994-2004 H. Peter Anvin Could not find kernel image: linux boot: -- Henry Hartley From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 26 19:08:49 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:08:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting 4.2.3 EL (32-bit) In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D990@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D990@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <44775241.9060809@maltzen.net> Run md5sum K12LTSP-4.2.3EL-32bit-disc1.iso in the directory where you have the ISO files. It may take a few minutes. When it finishes, it should spit out this number: 32d786ea5eaf063f4b997de3be4791da If it isn't EXACTLY that number, your ISO file is no good, and you'll need to redownload (would rsync work in this case?). If it is good, try burning another disk at a slower speed, with a different drive, etc. Petre Henry Hartley wrote: > I've downloaded the four ISO files and burned CDs for K12LTSP 4.2.3 EL > (32-bit). Everything went smoothly but my machine doesn't want to boot > from CD #1. When I look on the CD is seems to have all the same files I > see here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/i386 > (and specifically in the isolinux directory, which I assume is pretty > vital here). The machine boots fine from other CDs. It sounds like I > have a bad burn but I thought I'd check here first. Is this CD suppose > to be bootable? > > When I attempt to boot from disc 1, I get the following three lines: > > ISOLINUX 2.11 2004-08-16 Copyright (C) 1994-2004 H. Peter Anvin > Could not find kernel image: linux > boot: > From veewee77 at alltel.net Fri May 26 19:38:59 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:38:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting 4.2.3 EL (32-bit) In-Reply-To: <44775241.9060809@maltzen.net> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D990@MAILBE2.westat.com> <44775241.9060809@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44775953.8020609@alltel.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > Run > > md5sum K12LTSP-4.2.3EL-32bit-disc1.iso > > in the directory where you have the ISO files. It may take a few > minutes. When it finishes, it should spit out this number: > > 32d786ea5eaf063f4b997de3be4791da > > If it isn't EXACTLY that number, your ISO file is no good, and you'll > need to redownload (would rsync work in this case?). If it is good, > try burning another disk at a slower speed, with a different drive, etc. > Also, you did burn as an ISO not just the contents, right? DS > Petre > > Henry Hartley wrote: > >> I've downloaded the four ISO files and burned CDs for K12LTSP 4.2.3 EL >> (32-bit). Everything went smoothly but my machine doesn't want to boot >> from CD #1. When I look on the CD is seems to have all the same files I >> see here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/i386 >> (and specifically in the isolinux directory, which I assume is pretty >> vital here). The machine boots fine from other CDs. It sounds like I >> have a bad burn but I thought I'd check here first. Is this CD suppose >> to be bootable? >> When I attempt to boot from disc 1, I get the following three lines: >> >> ISOLINUX 2.11 2004-08-16 Copyright (C) 1994-2004 H. Peter Anvin >> Could not find kernel image: linux >> boot: >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From henryhartley at westat.com Fri May 26 20:50:07 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:50:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting 4.2.3 EL (32-bit) Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D992@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Fri, May 26, 2006 3:09 PM Petre Scheie wrote: >> Henry Hartley wrote: >> > I've downloaded the four ISO files and burned CDs for K12LTSP >> > 4.2.3 EL (32-bit). Everything went smoothly but my machine >> > doesn't want to boot from CD #1. > >> Run >> md5sum K12LTSP-4.2.3EL-32bit-disc1.iso I checked the md5sums before burning the CDs and they were all good. I guess I'll burn another disc and see what happens. -- Henry From henryhartley at westat.com Fri May 26 20:51:50 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:51:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting 4.2.3 EL (32-bit) Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D993@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Fri, May 26, 2006 3:39 PM Doug Simpson wrote: >> Also, you did burn as an ISO not just the contents, right? Yes. Now that I think about it, though, I didn't check the little box that says "Finalize Disc" or whatever. Should I? -- Henry From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri May 26 20:58:41 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:58:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting 4.2.3 EL (32-bit) In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D993@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D993@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1148677121.5681.13.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 16:51 -0400, Henry Hartley wrote: > On Fri, May 26, 2006 3:39 PM Doug Simpson wrote: > > >> Also, you did burn as an ISO not just the contents, right? > > Yes. Now that I think about it, though, I didn't check the little > box that says "Finalize Disc" or whatever. Should I? Yes. I'm not sure that it will fix things in this case, but _not_ doing that is a common cause of all sorts of weirdness in burned discs. > -- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 21:02:39 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] X starts, but turns off before GDM In-Reply-To: <44771EF8.1060907@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <20060526210239.55556.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Angus Carr wrote: > > >> All my clients are RIVA 128. I bet you are trying > to > >> run them at 16 > >> bit color. Xorg or Xfree86 don't support 16 bit > >> color for this card. I > >> have to run them at 24 bit color in lts.conf. > >> > >> > > > > I fixed my problem with XSERVER = vesa, but I'd > still > > like to know how you deal with these video cards. > I > > seem to recall an error message at one point about > > "depth 16". How do I stop it from trying to run > at 16 > > bit color? Do you use XSERVER = vesa, or XSERVER > = > > auto? Do you need a special mode line? I don't > fully > > understand the mode lines... > > > > Thanks > > > > -Rob > > > > Google for "X_COLOR_DEPTH", which is a parameter in > lts.conf. That's > about all you need to set, either globally or by > station. > > From > http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/lts_ig_v2.3/lts_ig_v2.3-9.html: > *X_COLOR_DEPTH* > > This is the number of bits to use for the color > depth. Possible > values are *8*, *15*, *16*, *24* and *32*. 8 > bits will give 256 > colors, 16 will give 65536 colors, 24 will give > 16 million colors > and 32 bits will give 4.2 billion colors! Not > all X servers support > all of these values. The default value for this > is *16* Thanks, that took care of it. But now I've got another question. What is the down side of using the vesa driver. The reason I ask is because keeping XSERVER=auto, and setting X_COLOR_DEPTH=15 gives me worse looking graphics than XSERVER=vesa and leaving X_COLOR_DEPTH alone. Is vesa bad at motion? -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 21:29:20 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] "network boot" in the bios Message-ID: <20060526212920.19039.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a few P2's that I'm using as thin clients. They have the option of "network boot" in the bios, in the "boot order" section. When I enable this, some of them boot over the network, and some just hang. I assume it's related to the model of network card I have installed (they are not the originals that came with these computers). So my question is, how do I know if a network card is capable of booting over the network? Just to clarify, I'm talking about *not* using a boot floppy. Thanks for all the help. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Fri May 26 21:41:31 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:41:31 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] "network boot" in the bios In-Reply-To: <20060526212920.19039.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060526212920.19039.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4477760B.5090305@orcon.net.nz> Sometimes a bios flash update can fix these kind of problems. Rob Owens wrote: >I have a few P2's that I'm using as thin clients. >They have the option of "network boot" in the bios, in >the "boot order" section. When I enable this, some of >them boot over the network, and some just hang. I >assume it's related to the model of network card I >have installed (they are not the originals that came >with these computers). > >So my question is, how do I know if a network card is >capable of booting over the network? Just to clarify, >I'm talking about *not* using a boot floppy. > >Thanks for all the help. > >-Rob > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From petre at maltzen.net Sat May 27 01:13:24 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:13:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 7: i810 and firewall problems Message-ID: <4477A7B4.4040409@maltzen.net> I rsync-ed my ISO files today to beta 7 and re-installed my test server. I'm seeing two problems still: 1. The firewall is still blocking tftp access for the clients if the default network subnet, 192.168.0.x is used. I'm using 172.26.18.x and tftp failed. Turning off the firewall allowed the clients to boot. 2. I have an iPaq with i810 video and X still refuses to start. I can go in and create a custom setup in lts.conf, although I was hoping the latest release would work by default. Does anyone know what settings I need to make i810 work? I seem to recall Robert saying something about needing to set color depth to 24 bits or some such, but I could be mistaken. Petre From jam at mcquil.com Sat May 27 01:15:28 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:15:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 7: i810 and firewall problems In-Reply-To: <4477A7B4.4040409@maltzen.net> References: <4477A7B4.4040409@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4477A830.3020402@McQuil.com> Petre, try this: XSERVER = i810 X_VIDEORAM = 4096 Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Petre Scheie wrote: > I rsync-ed my ISO files today to beta 7 and re-installed my test > server. I'm seeing two problems still: > > 1. The firewall is still blocking tftp access for the clients if the > default network subnet, 192.168.0.x is used. I'm using 172.26.18.x > and tftp failed. Turning off the firewall allowed the clients to boot. > > 2. I have an iPaq with i810 video and X still refuses to start. I > can go in and create a custom setup in lts.conf, although I was hoping > the latest release would work by default. Does anyone know what > settings I need to make i810 work? I seem to recall Robert saying > something about needing to set color depth to 24 bits or some such, > but I could be mistaken. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Sat May 27 03:12:18 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:42:18 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] X starts, but turns off before GDM In-Reply-To: <20060526210239.55556.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <44771EF8.1060907@saskforestcentre.ca> <20060526210239.55556.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <774593a20605262012r17c6ca42u167d825d12313e92@mail.gmail.com> On 27/05/06, Rob Owens wrote: > Thanks, that took care of it. But now I've got > another question. What is the down side of using the > vesa driver. The reason I ask is because keeping > XSERVER=auto, and setting X_COLOR_DEPTH=15 gives me > worse looking graphics than XSERVER=vesa and leaving > X_COLOR_DEPTH alone. Is vesa bad at motion? Personally vesa works for my use. People say that it is slow but I have yet to experience a "fast" display vis-avis vesa. Even the laptop I am on is actually using vesa setting and I find no difference between this or i810 setting, which is actull the chip set in this laptop. X_COLOR_DEPTH at 24 would be better. Lower the number worse the display rendering. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From victor at hiplik.com.hk Sat May 27 03:29:08 2006 From: victor at hiplik.com.hk (Victor) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 11:29:08 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] "network boot" in the bios In-Reply-To: <20060526212920.19039.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060526212920.19039.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4477C784.7040205@hiplik.com.hk> As far as I know, there are at least two kinds of "network boot" in the bios, i.e.e the PXE (Preboot eXecution Environment from Intel) and RPL (remote procedure load). For LTSP, it supports PXE. For Novell network, it supports RPL. I have tried PXE booting on network cards, sis900 and rtl8139. Basically I think LTSP can support any network card which is preset to PXE network boot. Therefore, you should first check out whether the P2's can support PXE booting. Victor Rob Owens wrote: > I have a few P2's that I'm using as thin clients. > They have the option of "network boot" in the bios, in > the "boot order" section. When I enable this, some of > them boot over the network, and some just hang. I > assume it's related to the model of network card I > have installed (they are not the originals that came > with these computers). > > So my question is, how do I know if a network card is > capable of booting over the network? Just to clarify, > I'm talking about *not* using a boot floppy. > > Thanks for all the help. > > -Rob > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thepiano at telenet.be Sat May 27 07:35:11 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:35:11 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 7: i810 and firewall problems In-Reply-To: <4477A830.3020402@McQuil.com> References: <4477A7B4.4040409@maltzen.net> <4477A830.3020402@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <6F2A3A11-2591-4F42-9B3C-47F5F72AE4AF@telenet.be> or enable USE_NBD_SWAP, this worked for me too. Hanne Op 27-mei-06, om 03:15 heeft Jim McQuillan het volgende geschreven: > Petre, > > try this: > > XSERVER = i810 > X_VIDEORAM = 4096 > > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Petre Scheie wrote: >> I rsync-ed my ISO files today to beta 7 and re-installed my test >> server. I'm seeing two problems still: >> >> 1. The firewall is still blocking tftp access for the clients if >> the default network subnet, 192.168.0.x is used. I'm using >> 172.26.18.x and tftp failed. Turning off the firewall allowed the >> clients to boot. >> >> 2. I have an iPaq with i810 video and X still refuses to start. >> I can go in and create a custom setup in lts.conf, although I was >> hoping the latest release would work by default. Does anyone know >> what settings I need to make i810 work? I seem to recall Robert >> saying something about needing to set color depth to 24 bits or >> some such, but I could be mistaken. >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Sat May 27 12:56:59 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 07:56:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 7: i810 and firewall problems In-Reply-To: <4477A830.3020402@McQuil.com> References: <4477A7B4.4040409@maltzen.net> <4477A830.3020402@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <44784C9B.3010500@maltzen.net> I tried Jim's suggestion below, along with Kevin's suggestion to turn on USE_NBD_SWAP, but it still fails to start X, with the same error: (EE) I810(0): Less than 6MB of AGP memory is available. Cannot proceed. (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found Oh, and there was a word missing in my original message. I meant to say that tftp doesn't work/is blocked by the firewall if one does not use the default network subnet of 192.168.0.x. Petre Jim McQuillan wrote: > Petre, > > try this: > > XSERVER = i810 > X_VIDEORAM = 4096 > > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> I rsync-ed my ISO files today to beta 7 and re-installed my test >> server. I'm seeing two problems still: >> >> 1. The firewall is still blocking tftp access for the clients if the >> default network subnet, 192.168.0.x is used. I'm using 172.26.18.x >> and tftp failed. Turning off the firewall allowed the clients to boot. >> >> 2. I have an iPaq with i810 video and X still refuses to start. I >> can go in and create a custom setup in lts.conf, although I was hoping >> the latest release would work by default. Does anyone know what >> settings I need to make i810 work? I seem to recall Robert saying >> something about needing to set color depth to 24 bits or some such, >> but I could be mistaken. >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Sat May 27 12:58:47 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:58:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 7: i810 and firewall problems In-Reply-To: <44784C9B.3010500@maltzen.net> References: <4477A7B4.4040409@maltzen.net> <4477A830.3020402@McQuil.com> <44784C9B.3010500@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44784D07.1070604@McQuil.com> Petre, How much ram do you have in the client? Try: X_VIDEORAM = 3072 Jim. Petre Scheie wrote: > I tried Jim's suggestion below, along with Kevin's suggestion to turn > on USE_NBD_SWAP, but it still fails to start X, with the same error: > > (EE) I810(0): Less than 6MB of AGP memory is available. Cannot proceed. > (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. > Fatal server error: > no screens found > > Oh, and there was a word missing in my original message. I meant to > say that tftp doesn't work/is blocked by the firewall if one does not > use the default network subnet of 192.168.0.x. > > Petre > > Jim McQuillan wrote: >> Petre, >> >> try this: >> >> XSERVER = i810 >> X_VIDEORAM = 4096 >> >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >> >> Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> I rsync-ed my ISO files today to beta 7 and re-installed my test >>> server. I'm seeing two problems still: >>> >>> 1. The firewall is still blocking tftp access for the clients if >>> the default network subnet, 192.168.0.x is used. I'm using >>> 172.26.18.x and tftp failed. Turning off the firewall allowed the >>> clients to boot. >>> >>> 2. I have an iPaq with i810 video and X still refuses to start. I >>> can go in and create a custom setup in lts.conf, although I was >>> hoping the latest release would work by default. Does anyone know >>> what settings I need to make i810 work? I seem to recall Robert >>> saying something about needing to set color depth to 24 bits or some >>> such, but I could be mistaken. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Sat May 27 13:11:09 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:11:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 7: i810 and firewall problems In-Reply-To: <44784D07.1070604@McQuil.com> References: <4477A7B4.4040409@maltzen.net> <4477A830.3020402@McQuil.com> <44784C9B.3010500@maltzen.net> <44784D07.1070604@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <44784FED.3050801@maltzen.net> 32MB ram in client I tried 'X_VIDEORAM = 3072' and got a slightly different error: xf86MapVidMem: Could not mmap framebuffer (ox44000000, 0x4000000) (Cannot allocate memory) I then tried setting 'XSERVER = vesa' and that DOES work! Previously, setting it to vesa would give me the login screen, but after putting in a valid ID & PW, the desktop would never come up. But vesa seems to be working okay now. Any problems with using that? For performance reasons it presumably would be desireable to use i810; but with only 32MB, and the iPaq apparently wanting to carve video RAM out of that, perhaps that doesn't leave enough for the rest of the system (although I recall reading that the memory requirements in 4.2 were less than in 4.1). Petre Jim McQuillan wrote: > Petre, > > How much ram do you have in the client? > > Try: > > X_VIDEORAM = 3072 > > Jim. > > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> I tried Jim's suggestion below, along with Kevin's suggestion to turn >> on USE_NBD_SWAP, but it still fails to start X, with the same error: >> >> (EE) I810(0): Less than 6MB of AGP memory is available. Cannot proceed. >> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. >> Fatal server error: >> no screens found >> >> Oh, and there was a word missing in my original message. I meant to >> say that tftp doesn't work/is blocked by the firewall if one does not >> use the default network subnet of 192.168.0.x. >> >> Petre >> >> Jim McQuillan wrote: >> >>> Petre, >>> >>> try this: >>> >>> XSERVER = i810 >>> X_VIDEORAM = 4096 >>> >>> >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org >>> >>> >>> >>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>> >>>> I rsync-ed my ISO files today to beta 7 and re-installed my test >>>> server. I'm seeing two problems still: >>>> >>>> 1. The firewall is still blocking tftp access for the clients if >>>> the default network subnet, 192.168.0.x is used. I'm using >>>> 172.26.18.x and tftp failed. Turning off the firewall allowed the >>>> clients to boot. >>>> >>>> 2. I have an iPaq with i810 video and X still refuses to start. I >>>> can go in and create a custom setup in lts.conf, although I was >>>> hoping the latest release would work by default. Does anyone know >>>> what settings I need to make i810 work? I seem to recall Robert >>>> saying something about needing to set color depth to 24 bits or some >>>> such, but I could be mistaken. >>>> >>>> Petre >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From khsgdunc at gmail.com Sat May 27 19:45:01 2006 From: khsgdunc at gmail.com (Geof Duncan) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:45:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.3 EL?? Message-ID: <424bb7280605271245s51e69db3t44106349ac3830da@mail.gmail.com> Okay, I've been a reader of this list for a while, I've experimented some with K12LTSP, but, not yet been brave enough to give it a real whirl yet. I've gotten a brand new server that I'm hoping to put K12LTSP on for next year. But before attempting, I figured I'd throw out a question. I've noticed that the k12lsp site mentions that it is based on Fedora (I'm assuming FC4, here). Judging from a recent post I'm seeing that there's a version based on what I assume is probably White Box or CentOS. Maybe RHEL??? Aside from the obvious name differences and kernel updates or so. What's the difference between this version and the current one listed on k12ltsp.org? Am I confused or just misinformed? Clueless... ------- Geof C. Duncan, IC3,A+,CCNA,CCAI Lead Technology Instructor/Contact Knightdale High School http://knightdalehs.wcpss.net/teachers/duncan http://ibiblio.org/gdunc/ "Home of the Knights" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Sat May 27 20:31:04 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:31:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.3 EL?? In-Reply-To: <424bb7280605271245s51e69db3t44106349ac3830da@mail.gmail.com> References: <424bb7280605271245s51e69db3t44106349ac3830da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1148761864.17072.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2006-05-27 at 14:45, Geof Duncan wrote: > I've been a reader of this list for a while, I've experimented some > with K12LTSP, but, not yet been brave enough to give it a real whirl > yet. I've gotten a brand new server that I'm hoping to put K12LTSP on > for next year. But before attempting, I figured I'd throw out a > question. > > I've noticed that the k12lsp site mentions that it is based on Fedora > (I'm assuming FC4, here). Judging from a recent post I'm seeing that > there's a version based on what I assume is probably White Box or > CentOS. Maybe RHEL??? > > Aside from the obvious name differences and kernel updates or so. > What's the difference between this version and the current one listed > on k12ltsp.org? Am I confused or just misinformed? The web site is always hopelessly out of date. You should always start here: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ for information and here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/ when looking for available versions. The ones with EL in the name are Centos based. If you have time to test, you probably want to look in the testing subdirectory for the latest which would currently be the 5.0.0 versions based on fedora FC5 since by the time you get everything working it will likely be stable and have the latest of everything. If you don't like surprises and can live with older versions of applications, go with either the latest stable fedora based version (based on FC4) or the latest EL version. In any case, do a 'yum update' after the install and fairly often thereafter to pick up the bugfix updates. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon May 29 15:36:22 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:36:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] user disk quota discrepency ? Message-ID: <1148916983.15980.17.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Hope everyone had a good Memorial Day weekend. Andretti luck at Indy again. Can anyone here, give me some insight on why when I right click on a users home folder and do properties, i get 54 mb's but when i do a 'quota -v username' the quota amount is almost 250 mb's? By simply veiwing the amounts of this users files including hidden files the 54 mb's appears to be correct.I've read up as much as i know how to on disk quotas and still am confused as to why there is this much difference. I'm trying to get mail quotas setup on squirrelmail for our next school year for everyone. I never tried implementing this ,this year but i think it would be good to let people know via the "check_ quota" plugin that can be added to squirrelmail. Also postfix,which we are using as the pop server defaults to 50 mb's per user,which i think is sufficient for a school scenario. But with the differences i need to "over allocate" each users homefolder/mailbox by almost 200% , and then of course ,everything shows up wonky in mailbox used, in the squirrelmail, graph for being used, amount.? BTW: I've figured out it is nothing to do with the check_quota plugin of SM. Is there something to do with inodes/blocks,,blah,,blah,, that factors into this? I'm clueless:) Take Care, Barry Cisna From visentind at hdsb.ca Mon May 29 18:51:11 2006 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:51:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) Message-ID: ============================================================== Robert Arkiletian writes: No password is required for the broadcasting. You only need to be root. I'm going to try to guess your problem. You downloaded and compiled fl_tt but did not run #make install. Hence, the HOST_INFO_FILE is not copied to the correct place. Try running #make install and see if that solves the problem. BTW if you install fl_tt with yum, HOST_INFO_FILE gets copied to /etc/fl_teachertool/. If you install from my source tarball HOST_INFO_FILE gets copied to /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool Let me know if this solves the problem. ============================================================== Well Robert, I tried everything. It all seems intact and I'm pretty sure that the problem is with vncreflector. I've uninstalled everything using yum erase (vnc, vncreflector, fl_teachertool, vnc-ltsp-config, etc) and then did a yum install for everything that I uninstalled. I also recompliled the sorce for v.32 and now have both v.21 and .32 on the system. The HOST_INFO_FILE is present and permissions are properly set. I get the same errors in the log. If I run vncserver -v 6 HOST_INFO_FILE, I get the following in the reflector.log file: 29/05/06 14:19:21 + Starting VNC Reflector 1.2.4 29/05/06 14:19:21 - Switched to the background mode 29/05/06 14:19:21 Our machine is little endian 29/05/06 14:19:21 : Looking for passwords in the file "passwd" 29/05/06 14:19:21 * No client password file, assuming no authentication 29/05/06 14:19:21 * Host password not specified, assuming no auth 29/05/06 14:19:21 + Connecting to localhost, port 5901 29/05/06 14:19:21 + Connection established 29/05/06 14:19:21 - Remote RFB Protocol version is 3.7 29/05/06 14:19:21 * Protocol sub-version does not match (ignoring) 29/05/06 14:19:21 : VNC authentication requested by host 29/05/06 14:19:21 Received random challenge 29/05/06 14:19:21 Sending DES-encrypted response 29/05/06 14:19:21 ! Authentication failed 29/05/06 14:19:21 * Closing connection to host 29/05/06 14:19:21 + Terminating It would seem that there needs to be some authentication of some sort for vncreflector . installed software: vnc-4.1.1-11.fc4.i386.rpm vnc-debuginfo-4.1.1-11.fc4.i386.rpm vnc-ltsp-config-4.0-3.noarch.rpm vnc-server-4.1.1-11.fc4.i386.rpm vncreflector-1.2.4-0.k12ltsp.4.4.2.i386.rp teachertool-0.0.1-k12ltsp.0.4.0.noarch.rpm teachertool-tightvnc-1.2.9-2.k12ltsp.4.4.2.i386.rpm Fl_TeacherTool v.32 Dan Visentin Head of Business/Computers/IT contact M. M. Robinson H.S. "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." vnc-4.1.1-11.f -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Okay, first I deleted reflector.log from my home dir then I ran /usr/bin/vncreflector -v 6 /etc/fl_teachertool/HOST_INFO_FILE afterwards my reflector.log in my home dir showed this: 29/05/06 14:14:19 + Starting VNC Reflector 1.2.4 29/05/06 14:14:19 - Switched to the background mode 29/05/06 14:14:19 Our machine is little endian 29/05/06 14:14:19 : Looking for passwords in the file "passwd" 29/05/06 14:14:19 * No client password file, assuming no authentication 29/05/06 14:14:19 * Host password not specified, assuming no auth 29/05/06 14:14:19 + Connecting to localhost, port 5901 29/05/06 14:14:19 + Connection established 29/05/06 14:14:19 - Remote RFB Protocol version is 3.8 29/05/06 14:14:19 * Protocol sub-version does not match (ignoring) //this is where things go differently for me 29/05/06 14:14:19 + No authentication required at host side 29/05/06 14:14:19 : Requesting non-shared session 29/05/06 14:14:19 + Remote desktop geometry is 800x600 29/05/06 14:14:19 - Remote desktop name: x11 29/05/06 14:14:19 : Setting up pixel format 29/05/06 14:14:19 Sending SetPixelFormat message 29/05/06 14:14:19 : Requesting Hextile encoding 29/05/06 14:14:19 Sending SetEncodings message 29/05/06 14:14:19 + Activating new host connection 29/05/06 14:14:19 : (Re)allocated framebuffer, 1920000 bytes 29/05/06 14:14:19 : (Re)allocated cache for encoded data, 492100 bytes 29/05/06 14:14:19 : Requesting full framebuffer update etc..... -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Mon May 29 21:31:38 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:31:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: forgot to mention if want to restart vncreflector, delete the vncreflector process by finding it's PID like this ps -ef | grep [v]ncreflector then just kill the PID -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From visentind at hdsb.ca Mon May 29 22:19:37 2006 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:19:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) Message-ID: Yes, it looks like a vncreflector program. Broadcasting was working great a couple of weeks ago and it would seem that somehow I broke it or did something when hacking around trying to get monitor/control to work. I think I tried to install a later version of vnc and stuff like that. I also ran into a problem trying to install tightvnc as well.... it complained about the version of vnc and vnc-ltsp-config if I recall properly. At any rate, it looks like I'll have to try and figure out what the problem is with vncreflector. Dan Visentin Head of Business/Computers/IT contact M. M. Robinson H.S. "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Mon May 29 23:24:54 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:24:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/29/06, Dan Visentin wrote: > > Yes, it looks like a vncreflector program. Broadcasting was working great > a couple of weeks ago and it would seem that somehow I broke it or did > something when hacking around trying to get monitor/control to work. I > think I tried to install a later version of vnc and stuff like that. I also > ran into a problem trying to install tightvnc as well.... it complained Why did you try to install tightvnc? Eric has made an rpm with the tightvnc viewer. It's called teachertool-tightvnc. Be careful NOT to install tightvnc and realvnc together. They have binaries which have the same names. I can't seem to reproduce your situation. The only thing which sets off a bell in the control/monitor instructions is running vncpasswd. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From dubcanada at gmail.com Mon May 29 23:13:27 2006 From: dubcanada at gmail.com (Steven Perks) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:13:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Blender Issue Message-ID: Hello There, We are running a computer club system and one of our members wants to use blender. So we got it (Mr. C) and installed it and the nvidia drivers and it worked fine on both the terminal and the clients. But when we came back a few days after some kids installed xfrisk, and some more stuff and suddenly it does not work anymore. The errors we get are Using Python version 2.4 Could not find platform independent libraries Could not find platform dependent libraries Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "ws075.ltsp:0.0". ERROR: Unable to open Blender window It used to just be the GLX missing error but after we tried to fix it we got some more errors. Any advice or help will be GREATLY apprecitated. - Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From visentind at hdsb.ca Tue May 30 02:19:40 2006 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:19:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) Message-ID: ============================================================== Robert Arkiletian writes: Why did you try to install tightvnc? Eric has made an rpm with the tightvnc viewer. It's called teachertool-tightvnc. Be careful NOT to install tightvnc and realvnc together. They have binaries which have the same names. I can't seem to reproduce your situation. The only thing which sets off a bell in the control/monitor instructions is running vncpasswd. ============================================================== Oh, just foolish experimentation I guess ;) I was thinking the teachertool-tightvnc viewer required a tightvnc server or something like that. I understand things better now and am trying "restore" things to where the system should be. I certainly still have a lot to learn! For instance, the vncviewer now on the system is a May 11, 2006 build. It works but I wonder if installing a vncserver beta has caused this problem. I tried erasing it and reinstalling vnc from yum and the k12ltsp repos but I still get the same build. I imagine it's a simple thing for those who know what they are doing but I guess I'm destined to learn the hard way ;). I tend to just try things because of a lack of time to really devote to it and do the reading. At any rate, I know the problems I'm experiencing are due to something I did and isn't a bug in Fl_TT or Eric's vnc.so and the monitoring and control features are excellent. btw... another great feature to add, if you are so inclined, is another button to shutdown all the workstations remotely using /usr/sbin/ltspinfo --host=wsXXX --shutdown (or --reboot). I'm considering modifying the sourcecode for fun (I know that's dangerous... but what the heck!). At any rate, I appreciate your looking into these problems created by my follies! Dan Visentin Head of Business/Computers/IT contact M. M. Robinson H.S. "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." vnc-4.1.1-11.f -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Tue May 30 03:57:06 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:57:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting clients down: was tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) Message-ID: On 5/29/06, Dan Visentin wrote: > > btw... another great feature to add, if you are so inclined, is another > button to shutdown all the workstations remotely using /usr/sbin/ltspinfo > --host=wsXXX --shutdown (or --reboot). I'm considering modifying the > sourcecode for fun (I know that's dangerous... but what the heck!). > At any rate, I appreciate your looking into these problems created by my > follies! > Thank you Dan !!!!!!!! I always wanted this feature to be in fl_tt. I had actually asked this question on the list last year Dec 19th. I got no replies and figured it wasn't possible. Rest assured the next version will have this feature (now that I know it can be done). No more walking around shutting systems off by hand. :) Now if only there was a way to boot them remotely. sigh. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 30 04:50:41 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting clients down: was tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 29 May 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 5/29/06, Dan Visentin wrote: >> >> btw... another great feature to add, if you are so inclined, is another >> button to shutdown all the workstations remotely using /usr/sbin/ltspinfo >> --host=wsXXX --shutdown (or --reboot). I'm considering modifying the >> sourcecode for fun (I know that's dangerous... but what the heck!). >> At any rate, I appreciate your looking into these problems created by my >> follies! >> > > Thank you Dan !!!!!!!! > I always wanted this feature to be in fl_tt. I had actually asked this > question on the list last year Dec 19th. I got no replies and figured > it wasn't possible. Rest assured the next version will have this > feature (now that I know it can be done). No more walking around > shutting systems off by hand. :) > Now if only there was a way to boot them remotely. sigh. You have to enable an undocumented setting in lts.conf for this to work (hint: grep SHUTDOWN /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/*). The reason this feature is undocumented and disabled by default is that there is NO AUTHENTICATION yet. That means your kids can shutdown/reboot any terminal they please if they figure this out :-( -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 30 04:52:23 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Blender Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 29 May 2006, Steven Perks wrote: > Hello There, > > We are running a computer club system and one of our members wants to use > blender. So we got it (Mr. C) and installed it and the nvidia drivers and it > worked fine on both the terminal and the clients. But when we came back a > few days after some kids installed xfrisk, and some more stuff and suddenly > it does not work anymore. The errors we get are > > Using Python version 2.4 > Could not find platform independent libraries > Could not find platform dependent libraries > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "ws075.ltsp:0.0". > ERROR: Unable to open Blender window > > It used to just be the GLX missing error but after we tried to fix it we got > some more errors. Any advice or help will be GREATLY apprecitated. Make sure you have glx enabled in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf X4_MODULE_01 = glx -Eric From robark at gmail.com Tue May 30 05:10:52 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:10:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting clients down: was tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 29 May 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > On 5/29/06, Dan Visentin wrote: > >> > >> btw... another great feature to add, if you are so inclined, is another > >> button to shutdown all the workstations remotely using /usr/sbin/ltspinfo > >> --host=wsXXX --shutdown (or --reboot). I'm considering modifying the > >> sourcecode for fun (I know that's dangerous... but what the heck!). > >> At any rate, I appreciate your looking into these problems created by my > >> follies! > >> > > > > Thank you Dan !!!!!!!! > > I always wanted this feature to be in fl_tt. I had actually asked this > > question on the list last year Dec 19th. I got no replies and figured > > it wasn't possible. Rest assured the next version will have this > > feature (now that I know it can be done). No more walking around > > shutting systems off by hand. :) > > Now if only there was a way to boot them remotely. sigh. > > You have to enable an undocumented setting in lts.conf for this to work > (hint: grep SHUTDOWN /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/*). yes, I know. I already did it. > > The reason this feature is undocumented and disabled by default is that > there is NO AUTHENTICATION yet. That means your kids can shutdown/reboot > any terminal they please if they figure this out :-( > What if you change the permission of ltspinfo to 754? -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 30 05:30:26 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting clients down: was tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 29 May 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 5/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Mon, 29 May 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >> > On 5/29/06, Dan Visentin wrote: >> >> >> >> btw... another great feature to add, if you are so inclined, is another >> >> button to shutdown all the workstations remotely using /usr/sbin/ltspinfo >> >> --host=wsXXX --shutdown (or --reboot). I'm considering modifying the >> >> sourcecode for fun (I know that's dangerous... but what the heck!). >> >> At any rate, I appreciate your looking into these problems created by my >> >> follies! >> >> >> > >> > Thank you Dan !!!!!!!! >> > I always wanted this feature to be in fl_tt. I had actually asked this >> > question on the list last year Dec 19th. I got no replies and figured >> > it wasn't possible. Rest assured the next version will have this >> > feature (now that I know it can be done). No more walking around >> > shutting systems off by hand. :) >> > Now if only there was a way to boot them remotely. sigh. >> >> You have to enable an undocumented setting in lts.conf for this to work >> (hint: grep SHUTDOWN /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/*). > > yes, I know. I already did it. > >> >> The reason this feature is undocumented and disabled by default is that >> there is NO AUTHENTICATION yet. That means your kids can shutdown/reboot >> any terminal they please if they figure this out :-( >> > > What if you change the permission of ltspinfo to 754? It would break a bunch of stuff yet will not fix this specific problem... No matter how you slice it or dice it, the "shutdown" feature is currently at best secured by obscurity. Security by obscurity is no security at all, especially when it is all in plain text. Just to make the point perfectly clear, there is currently no way to secure or restrict this specific feature. I highly recommend that this is NOT ADDED to fl_tt or in any way encourage people to use it. It is not an accident that this is disabled and undocumented. -Eric From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Tue May 30 06:59:55 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:59:55 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] New server build In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060529205955.2a5f0675@trunks> Hi! Our old single processor ltsp server just died and I got the okay from our school to rebuild a new server. Budget is under $2k. It's been a while and I havent been keeping up with the dual amd motherboard and setups. Anyone know the latest and greatest mobo combo with dual amd64x2 that will work with without any problems with the k12ltsp distro? Thanks! Btw- This server is going to be for 15 clients. Wilson From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue May 30 07:53:19 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:53:19 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problems on dialup Message-ID: <1148975599.16578.144.camel@server.ltsp> I recently took a BIG jump in newness of both my server and my K12LTSP version and am having trouble with yum continually timing out. For the time being I'm still on dialup. (Aside: I was using a cast-off PII 450MHz dual Xeon before, but I just invested in a 2nd-hand PIV 2.66MHz dual Xeon with U320 SCSI RAID. Yeeha! Funny, while some things fly on the new server, some things are only slightly faster. Depends on how CPU intensive that task is, obviously, since both servers had/have 2Gb of RAM). I have a stock-standard 4.4.1 K12LTSP install, and using the supplied yum conf files and repos. I've had to disable the K12 repo entirely because it never works for me, and when trying to run yum to upgrade or install new apps more often than not the other repos also time out and the operation fails with messages such as: ------------------------------ Trying other mirror. primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 312 kB 01:14 http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/extras/4/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno 4] Socket Error: timed out Trying other mirror ------------------------------ .. and so, and so on for all repos until no more mirrors left. Sometimes I get a 404 error, such as: -------------------------- http://ftp.lug.ro/fedora/linux/extras/4/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 03:04:45 GMT -------------------------- ... and sometimes I get this yum (not network) error: ----------------------------------- //var/cache/yum/base/repomd.xml:84: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: html line 3 and body ^ //var/cache/yum/base/repomd.xml:85: parser error : Extra content at the end of the document ^ Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: base Error importing repomd.xml from base: Error: could not parse file //var/cache/yum/base/repomd.xml --------------------------------- Can anyone shed any light on this? Or, is dialup always going to be a problem with my new install? I had occasional trouble with my old yum setup, but never as consistently bad as this. So far I've only managed a couple of new apps installed with yum. Regards, Gavin. From sbarar at gmail.com Tue May 30 08:40:30 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:10:30 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] New server build In-Reply-To: <20060529205955.2a5f0675@trunks> References: <20060529205955.2a5f0675@trunks> Message-ID: <774593a20605300140y170fa428md7eab3d84ed9bf48@mail.gmail.com> On 30/05/06, Wilson Chan wrote: > > Btw- This server is going to be for 15 clients. > Do you really need dual AMD64 for 15 clients...I have been serving up to 35 sessions (some times slows down) using single AMD64 with 2gb RAM. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Tue May 30 09:11:03 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:11:03 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] New server build In-Reply-To: <774593a20605300140y170fa428md7eab3d84ed9bf48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060529231103.4266e5f5@trunks> It doesnt have to be dual procs. If others have run single AMD64x2's and 2-4GB of ram then i'd like to hear your build list. Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Sudev Barar To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:40:30 -1000 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New server build > On 30/05/06, Wilson Chan wrote: > > > > Btw- This server is going to be for 15 clients. > > > > Do you really need dual AMD64 for 15 clients...I have been serving up > to 35 sessions (some times slows down) using single AMD64 with 2gb > RAM. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbarar at gmail.com Tue May 30 09:42:20 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:12:20 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] New server build In-Reply-To: <20060529231103.4266e5f5@trunks> References: <774593a20605300140y170fa428md7eab3d84ed9bf48@mail.gmail.com> <20060529231103.4266e5f5@trunks> Message-ID: <774593a20605300242l13358aa9w8c9c318464008160@mail.gmail.com> On 30/05/06, Wilson Chan wrote: > It doesnt have to be dual procs. If others have run single AMD64x2's and 2-4GB of ram then i'd like to hear your build list. > Inline or bottom posting preferred ;-) One server is AMD64-1800 2xSATA80gb RAID1 2gbRAM MSI Mother board. Second server is same but 2x72SCSI drives. Both boxes are standard desktop MoBo's and have been running like a champ for over a year. SCSI scores when you are looking at more than 15 concurrent users. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue May 30 13:05:01 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:05:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NELS conference only 2.5 weeks away! Message-ID: (Just added! It is now possible to pay via credit card to register for NELS at Gould Academy! Email me for more details at dtrask at vcsvikings.org) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi all! Hope you had a restful and fun Memorial Weekend. For many of us this is the final push to the end of the school year and for some organizations it is the last few weeks before the summer vacation season kicks in and things change at the office. Matt and I are well on our way with all the plans for the Northeast Linux Symposium at Gould Academy on June 17th-20th. Things are shaping up very nicely and we're really looking forward to seeing all of you! If you have not registered....we hope you will! http://www.nelinux.net Just a few highlights: Hands-on sessions where you learn by doing....with guidance Lively discussions about topics that apply to your situation A chance to really talk to people and learn from them Fantastic Food (I cannot overstate this...ask anyone who's been before) Great presenters new "users" track designed for end users and classroom teachers a few really interesting vendor/sponsors with products you may find very useful a chance to see and participate in the "Open Sourcing" of a software product! and so much more! In these uncertain times....it is more important to learn more about free and open source solutions that may be able to help us more effectively manage our networks and continue to offer access to our users. We hope you'll join us and learn more! Visit http://www.nelinux.net for more information and to register! Register soon so we can get you on the list. :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Tue May 30 15:12:28 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:12:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New server build In-Reply-To: <20060529205955.2a5f0675@trunks> References: <20060529205955.2a5f0675@trunks> Message-ID: <1149001948.6035.0.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 20:59 -1000, Wilson Chan wrote: > Hi! > > Our old single processor ltsp server just died and I got the okay from our school to rebuild a new server. Budget is under $2k. It's been a while and I havent been keeping up with the dual amd motherboard and setups. Anyone know the latest and greatest mobo combo with dual amd64x2 that will work with without any problems with the k12ltsp distro? Thanks! I've had great luck with the Tyan Thunder line of mobos. I've tried several different models, and they've all been great. -- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Tue May 30 15:13:52 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:13:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New server build In-Reply-To: <20060529231103.4266e5f5@trunks> References: <20060529231103.4266e5f5@trunks> Message-ID: <1149002032.6035.2.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 23:11 -1000, Wilson Chan wrote: > It doesnt have to be dual procs. If others have run single AMD64x2's and 2-4GB of ram then i'd like to hear your build list. The servers I referred to in my previous post are all running dual core Opterons. One of them is running as many as 50 clients at a time and it's been doing fine. -- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue May 30 15:21:24 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:21:24 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problems on dialup In-Reply-To: <1148975599.16578.144.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1148975599.16578.144.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1149002484.16578.230.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 15:53 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: -snip- > > I have a stock-standard 4.4.1 K12LTSP install, and using the supplied > yum conf files and repos. I've had to disable the K12 repo entirely > because it never works for me, and when trying to run yum to upgrade or > install new apps more often than not the other repos also time out and > the operation fails with messages such as: > > ------------------------------ > Trying other mirror. > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 312 kB > 01:14 > http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/extras/4/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno 4] Socket Error: timed out > Trying other mirror > ------------------------------ > > .. and so, and so on for all repos until no more mirrors left. > > Sometimes I get a 404 error, such as: -snip- > Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: base > Error importing repomd.xml from base: Error: could not parse > file //var/cache/yum/base/repomd.xml > --------------------------------- > > > Can anyone shed any light on this? Or, is dialup always going to be a > problem with my new install? I had occasional trouble with my old yum > setup, but never as consistently bad as this. So far I've only managed > a couple of new apps installed with yum. > I looked into this some more and followed the directions given at the foot of this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Mirrors to add a local mirrors for fedora-extras, at least. Now I consistently get an error that yum failed to parse the XML file: ------------------- cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: extras Error importing repomd.xml from extras: Error: could not parse file //var/cache/yum/extras/repomd.xml ------------------- I even tried reverting to using apt, but of course it doesn't come setup with decent repos anymore. When I did configure the livna repo, apt just wanted to remove packages to be able to add new ones. I am NOT going down that path again, so forget it, apt :-( Gavin. From robark at gmail.com Tue May 30 16:09:19 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:09:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting clients down: was tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > What if you change the permission of ltspinfo to 754? > > It would break a bunch of stuff yet will not fix this specific problem... > > > No matter how you slice it or dice it, the "shutdown" feature is currently > at best secured by obscurity. Security by obscurity is no security at all, > especially when it is all in plain text. > > Just to make the point perfectly clear, there is currently no way to > secure or restrict this specific feature. I highly recommend that this is > NOT ADDED to fl_tt or in any way encourage people to use it. > > It is not an accident that this is disabled and undocumented. I understand Eric. I will NOT add this feature. It's dropped. Sorry if I got some peoples hopes up. Thanks for letting me know about the issues concerning this before I spent time on it. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Tue May 30 16:09:19 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:09:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting clients down: was tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > What if you change the permission of ltspinfo to 754? > > It would break a bunch of stuff yet will not fix this specific problem... > > > No matter how you slice it or dice it, the "shutdown" feature is currently > at best secured by obscurity. Security by obscurity is no security at all, > especially when it is all in plain text. > > Just to make the point perfectly clear, there is currently no way to > secure or restrict this specific feature. I highly recommend that this is > NOT ADDED to fl_tt or in any way encourage people to use it. > > It is not an accident that this is disabled and undocumented. I understand Eric. I will NOT add this feature. It's dropped. Sorry if I got some peoples hopes up. Thanks for letting me know about the issues concerning this before I spent time on it. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From dubcanada at gmail.com Tue May 30 16:49:46 2006 From: dubcanada at gmail.com (Steven Perks) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:49:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Blender Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, We did all this. I think there may be something wrong with GLX. As it worked perfectly before but after they installed some "Development" RPM's and some games and such it stopped working. I think one of those files may be corrupted or something happened to it as to why it is not loading. Is there a way we can reinstall GLX or fix it or confirm it does not work? As the date was also reset along with a few other things. Which sets me to believe something was changed. Thanks for you time! - Steve On 5/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Mon, 29 May 2006, Steven Perks wrote: > > > Hello There, > > > > We are running a computer club system and one of our members wants to > use > > blender. So we got it (Mr. C) and installed it and the nvidia drivers > and it > > worked fine on both the terminal and the clients. But when we came back > a > > few days after some kids installed xfrisk, and some more stuff and > suddenly > > it does not work anymore. The errors we get are > > > > Using Python version 2.4 > > Could not find platform independent libraries > > Could not find platform dependent libraries > > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > > Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "ws075.ltsp:0.0". > > ERROR: Unable to open Blender window > > > > It used to just be the GLX missing error but after we tried to fix it we > got > > some more errors. Any advice or help will be GREATLY apprecitated. > > Make sure you have glx enabled in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > X4_MODULE_01 = glx > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 30 17:04:29 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:04:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problems on dialup In-Reply-To: <1149002484.16578.230.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1148975599.16578.144.camel@server.ltsp> <1149002484.16578.230.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <447C7B1D.7030007@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Have you tried increasing the timeout value? It defaults to 30 seconds, which may be too short for dial-up. Try editing /etc/yum.conf and add something like: timeout=180 -Eric Gavin Chester wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 15:53 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > > -snip- > >> I have a stock-standard 4.4.1 K12LTSP install, and using the supplied >> yum conf files and repos. I've had to disable the K12 repo entirely >> because it never works for me, and when trying to run yum to upgrade or >> install new apps more often than not the other repos also time out and >> the operation fails with messages such as: >> >> ------------------------------ >> Trying other mirror. >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 312 kB >> 01:14 >> http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/extras/4/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno 4] Socket Error: timed out >> Trying other mirror >> ------------------------------ >> >> .. and so, and so on for all repos until no more mirrors left. >> >> Sometimes I get a 404 error, such as: > > -snip- > >> Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: base >> Error importing repomd.xml from base: Error: could not parse >> file //var/cache/yum/base/repomd.xml >> --------------------------------- >> >> >> Can anyone shed any light on this? Or, is dialup always going to be a >> problem with my new install? I had occasional trouble with my old yum >> setup, but never as consistently bad as this. So far I've only managed >> a couple of new apps installed with yum. >> > > I looked into this some more and followed the directions given at the > foot of this page: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Mirrors > to add a local mirrors for fedora-extras, at least. > > Now I consistently get an error that yum failed to parse the XML file: > > ------------------- > cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: extras > Error importing repomd.xml from extras: Error: could not parse > file //var/cache/yum/extras/repomd.xml > ------------------- > > I even tried reverting to using apt, but of course it doesn't come setup > with decent repos anymore. When I did configure the livna repo, apt > just wanted to remove packages to be able to add new ones. I am NOT > going down that path again, so forget it, apt :-( > > Gavin. > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 30 17:11:28 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:11:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Blender Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447C7CC0.4070300@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Steven Perks wrote: > Hello, > > We did all this. I think there may be something wrong with GLX. As it > worked > perfectly before but after they installed some "Development" RPM's and some > games and such it stopped working. I think one of those files may be > corrupted or something happened to it as to why it is not loading. Is there > a way we can reinstall GLX or fix it or confirm it does not work? As the > date was also reset along with a few other things. Which sets me to believe > something was changed. > > Thanks for you time! > > - Steve This command will tell you the order that packages were installed (most recent first): rpm -qa --last | less Off the top of my head, I'd expect to find that either the X11 packages (xorg-x11-*) or the Mesa packages (mesa-libGL*) were replaced. Another useful option for rpm is to verify all of the installed packages: rpm -Va That might give a hint as to what has been broken. -Eric > On 5/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> On Mon, 29 May 2006, Steven Perks wrote: >> >> > Hello There, >> > >> > We are running a computer club system and one of our members wants to >> use >> > blender. So we got it (Mr. C) and installed it and the nvidia drivers >> and it >> > worked fine on both the terminal and the clients. But when we came back >> a >> > few days after some kids installed xfrisk, and some more stuff and >> suddenly >> > it does not work anymore. The errors we get are >> > >> > Using Python version 2.4 >> > Could not find platform independent libraries >> > Could not find platform dependent libraries >> > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] >> > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback >> > Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "ws075.ltsp:0.0". >> > ERROR: Unable to open Blender window >> > >> > It used to just be the GLX missing error but after we tried to fix >> it we >> got >> > some more errors. Any advice or help will be GREATLY apprecitated. >> >> Make sure you have glx enabled in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf >> >> X4_MODULE_01 = glx >> >> >> -Eric >> >> From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 30 17:23:46 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:23:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting clients down: was tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447C7FA2.1030100@paasda.org> No way to code in a wrapper in the TeacherTool app to get a passwd even if it is a static passwd that is set in a config file or something? To use that option. --Huck Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 5/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: >> > What if you change the permission of ltspinfo to 754? >> >> It would break a bunch of stuff yet will not fix this specific problem... >> >> >> No matter how you slice it or dice it, the "shutdown" feature is >> currently >> at best secured by obscurity. Security by obscurity is no security at >> all, >> especially when it is all in plain text. >> >> Just to make the point perfectly clear, there is currently no way to >> secure or restrict this specific feature. I highly recommend that this is >> NOT ADDED to fl_tt or in any way encourage people to use it. >> >> It is not an accident that this is disabled and undocumented. > > I understand Eric. I will NOT add this feature. It's dropped. Sorry if > I got some peoples hopes up. Thanks for letting me know about the > issues concerning this before I spent time on it. > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue May 30 17:57:39 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:57:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] X starts, but turns off before GDM In-Reply-To: <20060526210239.55556.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060526210239.55556.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <447C8793.4030504@saskforestcentre.ca> Rob Owens wrote: > --- Angus Carr wrote: > > >> >> >>>> All my clients are RIVA 128. I bet you are trying >>>> >> to >> >>>> run them at 16 >>>> bit color. Xorg or Xfree86 don't support 16 bit >>>> color for this card. I >>>> have to run them at 24 bit color in lts.conf. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I fixed my problem with XSERVER = vesa, but I'd >>> >> still >> >>> like to know how you deal with these video cards. >>> >> I >> >>> seem to recall an error message at one point about >>> "depth 16". How do I stop it from trying to run >>> >> at 16 >> >>> bit color? Do you use XSERVER = vesa, or XSERVER >>> >> = >> >>> auto? Do you need a special mode line? I don't >>> >> fully >> >>> understand the mode lines... >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> >> Google for "X_COLOR_DEPTH", which is a parameter in >> lts.conf. That's >> about all you need to set, either globally or by >> station. >> >> From >> >> > http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/lts_ig_v2.3/lts_ig_v2.3-9.html: > >> *X_COLOR_DEPTH* >> >> This is the number of bits to use for the color >> depth. Possible >> values are *8*, *15*, *16*, *24* and *32*. 8 >> bits will give 256 >> colors, 16 will give 65536 colors, 24 will give >> 16 million colors >> and 32 bits will give 4.2 billion colors! Not >> all X servers support >> all of these values. The default value for this >> is *16* >> > > Thanks, that took care of it. But now I've got > another question. What is the down side of using the > vesa driver. The reason I ask is because keeping > XSERVER=auto, and setting X_COLOR_DEPTH=15 gives me > worse looking graphics than XSERVER=vesa and leaving > X_COLOR_DEPTH alone. Is vesa bad at motion? > > My experience with vesa modes is that they are less accelerated, as they are designed for broad compatibility. There is some acceleration, but not for motion video. By default (on i810 machines, anyway) I get an awful-looking desktop with vesa, but 16-bit 1024x768 on the i810 driver (or auto). I suggest you try X_COLOR_DEPTH=24, given that the card you have won't do 16 bit. It sounds like it is going to 8bit colour, which is only vaguely describable as colour... :-) The VESA driver will work, but the riva driver will work better. The riva driver should do all the 2D acceleration the vesa driver will do and more- 3D, movies, performance. Angus. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue May 30 18:01:45 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 02:01:45 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problems on dialup In-Reply-To: <447C7B1D.7030007@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1148975599.16578.144.camel@server.ltsp> <1149002484.16578.230.camel@server.ltsp> <447C7B1D.7030007@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1149012105.28704.10.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 10:04 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > Have you tried increasing the timeout value? It defaults to 30 seconds, > which may be too short for dial-up. Try editing /etc/yum.conf and add > something like: > > timeout=180 > > -Eric Eric, brilliant as usual! :-) I was going to ask "how do I increase the timeout" but you answered it for me anyway. That timeout setting has done the trick on this slow dialup connection and serves as a 'heads up' to anyone else similarly suffering. Now, I just have to tackle that issue of the XML file not parsing correctly when I use the repo 'extras'. Perhaps the first thing I should do is restore the original repo file by removing my pasted-in Australian mirror for that repo. See how I go :-) > Gavin Chester wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 15:53 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > > > > -snip- > > > >> I have a stock-standard 4.4.1 K12LTSP install, and using the supplied > >> yum conf files and repos. I've had to disable the K12 repo entirely > >> because it never works for me, and when trying to run yum to upgrade or > >> install new apps more often than not the other repos also time out and > >> the operation fails with messages such as: > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> Trying other mirror. > >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 312 kB > >> 01:14 > >> http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/extras/4/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno 4] Socket Error: timed out > >> Trying other mirror > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> .. and so, and so on for all repos until no more mirrors left. > >> > >> Sometimes I get a 404 error, such as: > > > > -snip- > > > >> Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: base > >> Error importing repomd.xml from base: Error: could not parse > >> file //var/cache/yum/base/repomd.xml > >> --------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> Can anyone shed any light on this? Or, is dialup always going to be a > >> problem with my new install? I had occasional trouble with my old yum > >> setup, but never as consistently bad as this. So far I've only managed > >> a couple of new apps installed with yum. > >> > > > > I looked into this some more and followed the directions given at the > > foot of this page: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Mirrors > > to add a local mirrors for fedora-extras, at least. > > > > Now I consistently get an error that yum failed to parse the XML file: > > > > ------------------- > > cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: extras > > Error importing repomd.xml from extras: Error: could not parse > > file //var/cache/yum/extras/repomd.xml > > ------------------- > > > > I even tried reverting to using apt, but of course it doesn't come setup > > with decent repos anymore. When I did configure the livna repo, apt > > just wanted to remove packages to be able to add new ones. I am NOT > > going down that path again, so forget it, apt :-( > > > > Gavin. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue May 30 18:25:57 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 02:25:57 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problems on dialup In-Reply-To: <447C6A4B.20700@deltacfax.com> References: <1148975599.16578.144.camel@server.ltsp> <1149002484.16578.230.camel@server.ltsp> <447C6A4B.20700@deltacfax.com> Message-ID: <1149013557.28704.11.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 10:52 -0500, Tim Born wrote: > Gavin Chester wrote: > > >I looked into this some more and followed the directions given at the > >foot of this page: > >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Mirrors > >to add a local mirrors for fedora-extras, at least. > > > >Now I consistently get an error that yum failed to parse the XML file: > > > >------------------- > >cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: extras > >Error importing repomd.xml from extras: Error: could not parse > >file //var/cache/yum/extras/repomd.xml > >------------------- > > > >I even tried reverting to using apt, but of course it doesn't come setup > >with decent repos anymore. When I did configure the livna repo, apt > >just wanted to remove packages to be able to add new ones. I am NOT > >going down that path again, so forget it, apt :-( > > > >Gavin > > > From your description I'm assuming you have a local mirror that you > created by cloning some other repo. > The error you report sounds like the index of meta info for the repo has > not been built. > Pls verify that you have a repodmd.xml file at that location. > Thanks, Tim. I realised after your response that wording of my posting was misleading on a computer forum :-O. When I said a "local" mirror I meant in the geographical sense, not in the computer sense of being on local media. Sorry. The file exists in the directory I cited. I only avoid that error by excluding that particular repo, 'extras'. I'll look into it some more, if I can. Gavin. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 30 18:26:23 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:26:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting clients down: was tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: <447C7FA2.1030100@paasda.org> References: <447C7FA2.1030100@paasda.org> Message-ID: <447C8E4F.8070002@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Huck wrote: > No way to code in a wrapper in the TeacherTool app to get a passwd even > if it is a static passwd that is set in a config file or something? To > use that option. > > --Huck The problem is not on the server side, it is on the terminal side. Adding a password, etc to applications running on the server-side doesn't fix the problem. Here is an example. Let's abuse a terminal, say one with the IP address 192.168.0.10 Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and append: [192.168.0.10] ALLOW_SHUTDOWN = Y and reboot the terminal. Now run this command logged in as any random user logged into any random terminal: echo shutdown | nc 192.168.0.10 9200 So say you ban the use of netcat (nc). Well then, let's just use telnet: $ telnet 192.168.0.10 9200 Trying 192.168.0.10... Connected to 192.168.0.10. Escape character is '^]'. shutdown Etc, etc. All you have to do is connect to TCP port 9200 on a terminal and type "shutdown" (or "reboot"). That's all there is to it. Note that there is no username or password required, there is no logging of who did the dastardly deed, no firewall protection for the terminals' port 9200, simply no protection what-so-ever. Hopefully that clearly illustrates why enabling ALLOW_SHUTDOWN is currently a REALLY BAD IDEA in most environments (especially in the environments targeted by K12LTSP). -Eric > Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On 5/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: >>> > What if you change the permission of ltspinfo to 754? >>> >>> It would break a bunch of stuff yet will not fix this specific >>> problem... >>> >>> >>> No matter how you slice it or dice it, the "shutdown" feature is >>> currently >>> at best secured by obscurity. Security by obscurity is no security at >>> all, >>> especially when it is all in plain text. >>> >>> Just to make the point perfectly clear, there is currently no way to >>> secure or restrict this specific feature. I highly recommend that >>> this is >>> NOT ADDED to fl_tt or in any way encourage people to use it. >>> >>> It is not an accident that this is disabled and undocumented. >> >> I understand Eric. I will NOT add this feature. It's dropped. Sorry if >> I got some peoples hopes up. Thanks for letting me know about the >> issues concerning this before I spent time on it. >> > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 30 18:29:14 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:29:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problems on dialup In-Reply-To: <1149012105.28704.10.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1148975599.16578.144.camel@server.ltsp> <1149002484.16578.230.camel@server.ltsp> <447C7B1D.7030007@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1149012105.28704.10.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <447C8EFA.2030903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Gavin Chester wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 10:04 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: >> Have you tried increasing the timeout value? It defaults to 30 seconds, >> which may be too short for dial-up. Try editing /etc/yum.conf and add >> something like: >> >> timeout=180 >> >> -Eric > > Eric, brilliant as usual! :-) I was going to ask "how do I increase the > timeout" but you answered it for me anyway. That timeout setting has > done the trick on this slow dialup connection and serves as a 'heads up' > to anyone else similarly suffering. > > Now, I just have to tackle that issue of the XML file not parsing > correctly when I use the repo 'extras'. Perhaps the first thing I > should do is restore the original repo file by removing my pasted-in > Australian mirror for that repo. See how I go :-) I'm guessing that the XML parsing issue will be resolved by increasing the timeout. The parsing error is probably due to the fact that you downloaded PART of the file before it timed out. -Eric >> Gavin Chester wrote: >>> On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 15:53 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: >>> >>> -snip- >>> >>>> I have a stock-standard 4.4.1 K12LTSP install, and using the supplied >>>> yum conf files and repos. I've had to disable the K12 repo entirely >>>> because it never works for me, and when trying to run yum to upgrade or >>>> install new apps more often than not the other repos also time out and >>>> the operation fails with messages such as: >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Trying other mirror. >>>> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 312 kB >>>> 01:14 >>>> http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/extras/4/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno 4] Socket Error: timed out >>>> Trying other mirror >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> .. and so, and so on for all repos until no more mirrors left. >>>> >>>> Sometimes I get a 404 error, such as: >>> -snip- >>> >>>> Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: base >>>> Error importing repomd.xml from base: Error: could not parse >>>> file //var/cache/yum/base/repomd.xml >>>> --------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> Can anyone shed any light on this? Or, is dialup always going to be a >>>> problem with my new install? I had occasional trouble with my old yum >>>> setup, but never as consistently bad as this. So far I've only managed >>>> a couple of new apps installed with yum. >>>> >>> I looked into this some more and followed the directions given at the >>> foot of this page: >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Mirrors >>> to add a local mirrors for fedora-extras, at least. >>> >>> Now I consistently get an error that yum failed to parse the XML file: >>> >>> ------------------- >>> cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: extras >>> Error importing repomd.xml from extras: Error: could not parse >>> file //var/cache/yum/extras/repomd.xml >>> ------------------- >>> >>> I even tried reverting to using apt, but of course it doesn't come setup >>> with decent repos anymore. When I did configure the livna repo, apt >>> just wanted to remove packages to be able to add new ones. I am NOT >>> going down that path again, so forget it, apt :-( >>> >>> Gavin. >>> From dubcanada at gmail.com Tue May 30 17:32:22 2006 From: dubcanada at gmail.com (Steven Perks) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:32:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Blender Issue In-Reply-To: <447C7CC0.4070300@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <447C7CC0.4070300@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Hello, Alright.. I did that.. The RPM -va gave me no info since I haven't the clue what any of that stuff means.. Like the T and the L's lol.. Anyways.. When I run glxinfo I get this still Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "ws075.ltsp:0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "ws075.ltsp:0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "ws075.ltsp:0.0". Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "ws075.ltsp:0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "ws075.ltsp:0.0". 0x21 16 tc 1 0 0 c . . 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "ws075.ltsp:0.0". Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "ws075.ltsp:0.0". 0x22 16 dc 1 0 0 c . . 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None Same error for Blender. Could reinstalling GLX work? - Steve On 5/30/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Steven Perks wrote: > > Hello, > > > > We did all this. I think there may be something wrong with GLX. As it > > worked > > perfectly before but after they installed some "Development" RPM's and > some > > games and such it stopped working. I think one of those files may be > > corrupted or something happened to it as to why it is not loading. Is > there > > a way we can reinstall GLX or fix it or confirm it does not work? As the > > date was also reset along with a few other things. Which sets me to > believe > > something was changed. > > > > Thanks for you time! > > > > - Steve > > > This command will tell you the order that packages were installed (most > recent first): > > rpm -qa --last | less > > Off the top of my head, I'd expect to find that either the X11 packages > (xorg-x11-*) or the Mesa packages (mesa-libGL*) were replaced. > > > Another useful option for rpm is to verify all of the installed packages: > > rpm -Va > > That might give a hint as to what has been broken. > > -Eric > > > On 5/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, 29 May 2006, Steven Perks wrote: > >> > >> > Hello There, > >> > > >> > We are running a computer club system and one of our members wants to > >> use > >> > blender. So we got it (Mr. C) and installed it and the nvidia drivers > >> and it > >> > worked fine on both the terminal and the clients. But when we came > back > >> a > >> > few days after some kids installed xfrisk, and some more stuff and > >> suddenly > >> > it does not work anymore. The errors we get are > >> > > >> > Using Python version 2.4 > >> > Could not find platform independent libraries > >> > Could not find platform dependent libraries > >> > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > >> > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > >> > Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "ws075.ltsp:0.0". > >> > ERROR: Unable to open Blender window > >> > > >> > It used to just be the GLX missing error but after we tried to fix > >> it we > >> got > >> > some more errors. Any advice or help will be GREATLY apprecitated. > >> > >> Make sure you have glx enabled in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > >> > >> X4_MODULE_01 = glx > >> > >> > >> -Eric > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue May 30 18:42:07 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:42:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: /etc/hosts autoupdate Message-ID: <200605301925.k4UJP3eM008447@mx3.redhat.com> All, Is there a way for /etc/hosts to be automatically updated when DHCP gives a lease to a client? So in /etc/hosts it will say something like this: 172.26.50.25 blah.sa456.k12.nh.us blah After the computer "blah" requested a lease and DHCP acknowledged instead of the usual: 172.26.50.25 ws005.ltsp ws005 Just curious. Thanks. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping School District P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Tue May 30 19:35:37 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 12:35:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: /etc/hosts autoupdate In-Reply-To: <200605301925.k4UJP3eM008447@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605301925.k4UJP3eM008447@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1149017738.6035.43.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 14:42 -0400, Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > Is there a way for /etc/hosts to be automatically updated when DHCP > gives a lease to a client? So in /etc/hosts it will say something like > this: > > 172.26.50.25 blah.sa456.k12.nh.us blah > > After the computer "blah" requested a lease and DHCP acknowledged > instead of the usual: > > 172.26.50.25 ws005.ltsp ws005 > > Just curious. Thanks. Depending what exactly you are trying to accomplish, It might be better to do this via dynamic DNS. this will give you a good start: http://www.ops.ietf.org/dns/dynupd/secure-ddns-howto.html -- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From caldodge at gmail.com Tue May 30 19:32:59 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:32:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: /etc/hosts autoupdate In-Reply-To: <200605301925.k4UJP3eM008447@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605301925.k4UJP3eM008447@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0605301232h6f080347v46ef47ad2e114622@mail.gmail.com> On 5/30/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > Is there a way for /etc/hosts to be automatically updated when DHCP gives a > lease to a client? So in /etc/hosts it will say something like this: I don't know about software to update /etc/hosts, but this feature IS available in DNS. Basically, you: 1) tell DHCP what the ddns-update domain is, and where the server is (and, possibly, a cryptographic key to authenticate the DHCP server to DNS) 2) tell the name server to accept updates from the DHCP server (make sure name server can write to its data directory (/var/named, or /var/named/chroot/var/named if bind-chroot is installed). After that, client names should go into forward and reverse DNS zones once they get an IP address from DHCP. Calvin From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 30 20:46:08 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:46:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting clients down: was tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: <447C8E4F.8070002@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <447C7FA2.1030100@paasda.org> <447C8E4F.8070002@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <447CAF10.2030008@paasda.org> that clarifies a lot actually ;) --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: > Huck wrote: >> No way to code in a wrapper in the TeacherTool app to get a passwd even >> if it is a static passwd that is set in a config file or something? To >> use that option. >> >> --Huck > > The problem is not on the server side, it is on the terminal side. > Adding a password, etc to applications running on the server-side > doesn't fix the problem. > > Here is an example. Let's abuse a terminal, say one with the IP address > 192.168.0.10 > > Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and append: > > [192.168.0.10] > ALLOW_SHUTDOWN = Y > > > and reboot the terminal. > > Now run this command logged in as any random user logged into any random > terminal: > > echo shutdown | nc 192.168.0.10 9200 > > > So say you ban the use of netcat (nc). Well then, let's just use telnet: > > $ telnet 192.168.0.10 9200 > Trying 192.168.0.10... > Connected to 192.168.0.10. > Escape character is '^]'. > shutdown > > > Etc, etc. All you have to do is connect to TCP port 9200 on a terminal > and type "shutdown" (or "reboot"). That's all there is to it. Note that > there is no username or password required, there is no logging of who > did the dastardly deed, no firewall protection for the terminals' port > 9200, simply no protection what-so-ever. > > Hopefully that clearly illustrates why enabling ALLOW_SHUTDOWN is > currently a REALLY BAD IDEA in most environments (especially in the > environments targeted by K12LTSP). > > > -Eric > > >> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>> On 5/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: >>>>> What if you change the permission of ltspinfo to 754? >>>> It would break a bunch of stuff yet will not fix this specific >>>> problem... >>>> >>>> >>>> No matter how you slice it or dice it, the "shutdown" feature is >>>> currently >>>> at best secured by obscurity. Security by obscurity is no security at >>>> all, >>>> especially when it is all in plain text. >>>> >>>> Just to make the point perfectly clear, there is currently no way to >>>> secure or restrict this specific feature. I highly recommend that >>>> this is >>>> NOT ADDED to fl_tt or in any way encourage people to use it. >>>> >>>> It is not an accident that this is disabled and undocumented. >>> I understand Eric. I will NOT add this feature. It's dropped. Sorry if >>> I got some peoples hopes up. Thanks for letting me know about the >>> issues concerning this before I spent time on it. >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue May 30 21:37:08 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] remote CUPS administration Message-ID: <35355.199.216.98.50.1149025028.squirrel@199.216.98.50> I have a library printer that for some unknown reason will have print jobs that get stuck in the queue. I notice it when they call me on my cell phone ... it won't print in the library, or I look and find print jobs accumulating for the past 2 days. SO how can I make it possible for the librarian to access the LTSP server's CUPS web interface from her XP workstation? 1) with the current cupsd.conf I can access the site:631, but get a 403 forbidden ... you don't have permission to accesss the resource on the server. At this point I have googled around and have not found the solution. Has anyone here overcome the same issue and be willing to offer some advice to get me going in the right direction? 2) login should be something other than root. I suspect I need to put a user login on the system that is then part of the sys group. = = = = cupsd.conf = = = = AuthType Basic AuthClass System ## Restrict access to local domain #Order Deny,Allow #Deny From All Order Allow,Deny Allow from ALL Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 #Encryption Required # # End of "$Id: cupsd.conf.in,v 1.16 2004/08/18 17:53:47 mike Exp $". # # Lines below are automatically generated - DO NOT EDIT Order Deny,Allow #Deny From All Allow from ALL Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 AuthType None Order Deny,Allow #Deny From All Allow from ALL Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 AuthType None Order Deny,Allow #Deny From All Allow from ALL Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 AuthType None Order Deny,Allow #Deny From All Allow from ALL Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 AuthType None Browsing On BrowseProtocols cups BrowseOrder Deny,Allow BrowseAllow from 10.10.*.* BrowseAllow from @LOCAL Listen 127.0.0.1:631 Listen 10.10.100.3:631 thanks Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = Lantech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 30 21:43:44 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:43:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] remote CUPS administration In-Reply-To: <35355.199.216.98.50.1149025028.squirrel@199.216.98.50> References: <35355.199.216.98.50.1149025028.squirrel@199.216.98.50> Message-ID: <447CBC90.2040200@paasda.org> someone mentioned this: */10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 30 21:44:21 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:44:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] remote CUPS administration In-Reply-To: <35355.199.216.98.50.1149025028.squirrel@199.216.98.50> References: <35355.199.216.98.50.1149025028.squirrel@199.216.98.50> Message-ID: <447CBCB5.8040304@paasda.org> forgot to mention that this: */10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable SKIPPY libraryhp FRY TAYLOR was to go into your cron... with 'crontab -e' to edit it. From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue May 30 21:46:29 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:46:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] remote CUPS administration In-Reply-To: <447CBC90.2040200@paasda.org> References: <35355.199.216.98.50.1149025028.squirrel@199.216.98.50> <447CBC90.2040200@paasda.org> Message-ID: <3714.199.216.98.50.1149025589.squirrel@199.216.98.50> The librarian only has a windows XP machine on her desk. She needs to access the printers and the jobs via the web interface. A command line even if she had a linux terminal, would be asking too much of her limited computer ability, but a web interface may work. There are times when the printer needs to be re-enabled, but there are also times when print jobs need to be purged ... but thanks for the quick reply. Joe On Tue, May 30, 2006 3:43 pm, Huck said: > someone mentioned this: > > */10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:447cbc71244234040911306! > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = Lantech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 30 21:52:18 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:52:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] remote CUPS administration In-Reply-To: <3714.199.216.98.50.1149025589.squirrel@199.216.98.50> References: <35355.199.216.98.50.1149025028.squirrel@199.216.98.50> <447CBC90.2040200@paasda.org> <3714.199.216.98.50.1149025589.squirrel@199.216.98.50> Message-ID: <447CBE92.5040002@paasda.org> maybe you can use putty with an ssh tunnel to forward the 631 port for cups' web interface to her..and make a 'printeradmin' group that has access...and make a user within that group for her...? with my librarian I actually gave her an account on the K12LTSP box and she could connect via one of the clients in the library and made a script that purged the que and enabled the printer...and placed a 'laucher' on her desktop. Sorry to be of so little help. --Huck Joe Guenther wrote: > The librarian only has a windows XP machine on her desk. She needs to > access the printers and the jobs via the web interface. A command line > even if she had a linux terminal, would be asking too much of her limited > computer ability, but a web interface may work. > > There are times when the printer needs to be re-enabled, but there are > also times when print jobs need to be purged ... but thanks for the quick > reply. > > Joe > > On Tue, May 30, 2006 3:43 pm, Huck said: >> someone mentioned this: >> >> */10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> !DSPAM:447cbc71244234040911306! >> >> > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Lantech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue May 30 22:11:50 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:11:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] remote CUPS administration In-Reply-To: <35355.199.216.98.50.1149025028.squirrel@199.216.98.50> References: <35355.199.216.98.50.1149025028.squirrel@199.216.98.50> Message-ID: <42521C4D-8AC1-463E-A528-6745EC77759E@mindfirestudios.com> There are two things that have to be done. You need the web interface (admin part) to listen on the lan and not just localhost. Her login needs to allow her to manage print jobs for others. man cupsd.conf might help From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 30 22:14:43 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:14:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] remote CUPS administration In-Reply-To: <35355.199.216.98.50.1149025028.squirrel@199.216.98.50> References: <35355.199.216.98.50.1149025028.squirrel@199.216.98.50> Message-ID: <447CC3D3.6030309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Joe Guenther wrote: > I have a library printer that for some unknown reason will have print jobs > that get stuck in the queue. I notice it when they call me on my cell > phone ... it won't print in the library, or I look and find print jobs > accumulating for the past 2 days. > > SO how can I make it possible for the librarian to access the LTSP > server's CUPS web interface from her XP workstation? > > 1) with the current cupsd.conf I can access the site:631, but get a 403 > forbidden ... you don't have permission to accesss the resource on the > server. At this point I have googled around and have not found the > solution. Has anyone here overcome the same issue and be willing to offer > some advice to get me going in the right direction? > > 2) login should be something other than root. I suspect I need to put a > user login on the system that is then part of the sys group. I've seen it done this way... edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and add a "SystemGroup" line, such as: SystemGroup printadmin Then you can create a "printadmin" group and add the librarian to that group. If you are a gui-person: System->Administration->Users and Groups. If you are a command-line person: groupadd printadmin usermod -a -G printadmin Finally reload cups... /sbin/service cups reload -Eric > = = = = cupsd.conf = = = = > > AuthType Basic > AuthClass System > > ## Restrict access to local domain > #Order Deny,Allow > #Deny From All > Order Allow,Deny > Allow from ALL > Allow From 127.0.0.1 > Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 > > #Encryption Required > > > # > # End of "$Id: cupsd.conf.in,v 1.16 2004/08/18 17:53:47 mike Exp $". > # > # Lines below are automatically generated - DO NOT EDIT > > Order Deny,Allow > #Deny From All > Allow from ALL > Allow From 127.0.0.1 > Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 > AuthType None > > > Order Deny,Allow > #Deny From All > Allow from ALL > Allow From 127.0.0.1 > Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 > AuthType None > > > Order Deny,Allow > #Deny From All > Allow from ALL > Allow From 127.0.0.1 > Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 > AuthType None > > > Order Deny,Allow > #Deny From All > Allow from ALL > Allow From 127.0.0.1 > Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 > AuthType None > > Browsing On > BrowseProtocols cups > BrowseOrder Deny,Allow > BrowseAllow from 10.10.*.* > BrowseAllow from @LOCAL > Listen 127.0.0.1:631 > Listen 10.10.100.3:631 > > > thanks > Joe Guenther > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Lantech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 30 23:05:06 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] did network install, do I still need to yum update? Message-ID: <20060530230506.175.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The subject says it all. I did a network install of 5.0.0 Beta (by rsyncing the entire tree locally), and it looks like my system is telling me that there are updates available. I was under the impression that doing a network install automatically got you the most up to date packages, but maybe I'm wrong. Or is it a Beta thing? -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 30 23:08:31 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:08:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] did network install, do I still need to yum update? In-Reply-To: <20060530230506.175.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060530230506.175.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <447CD06F.6020108@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Rob Owens wrote: > The subject says it all. I did a network install of > 5.0.0 Beta (by rsyncing the entire tree locally), and > it looks like my system is telling me that there are > updates available. I was under the impression that > doing a network install automatically got you the most > up to date packages, but maybe I'm wrong. Or is it a > Beta thing? > > -Rob > There is no difference between doing a network install and installing off of ISOs - you get the same packages either way. -Eric From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 30 23:11:58 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] X starts, but turns off before GDM In-Reply-To: <447C8793.4030504@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <20060530231158.25414.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Angus Carr wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > > --- Angus Carr wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >>>> All my clients are RIVA 128. I bet you are > trying > >>>> > >> to > >> > >>>> run them at 16 > >>>> bit color. Xorg or Xfree86 don't support 16 bit > >>>> color for this card. I > >>>> have to run them at 24 bit color in lts.conf. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> I fixed my problem with XSERVER = vesa, but I'd > >>> > >> still > >> > >>> like to know how you deal with these video > cards. > >>> > >> I > >> > >>> seem to recall an error message at one point > about > >>> "depth 16". How do I stop it from trying to run > >>> > >> at 16 > >> > >>> bit color? Do you use XSERVER = vesa, or > XSERVER > >>> > >> = > >> > >>> auto? Do you need a special mode line? I don't > >>> > >> fully > >> > >>> understand the mode lines... > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> -Rob > >>> > >>> > >> Google for "X_COLOR_DEPTH", which is a parameter > in > >> lts.conf. That's > >> about all you need to set, either globally or by > >> station. > >> > >> From > >> > >> > > > http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/lts_ig_v2.3/lts_ig_v2.3-9.html: > > > >> *X_COLOR_DEPTH* > >> > >> This is the number of bits to use for the > color > >> depth. Possible > >> values are *8*, *15*, *16*, *24* and *32*. 8 > >> bits will give 256 > >> colors, 16 will give 65536 colors, 24 will > give > >> 16 million colors > >> and 32 bits will give 4.2 billion colors! Not > >> all X servers support > >> all of these values. The default value for > this > >> is *16* > >> > > > > Thanks, that took care of it. But now I've got > > another question. What is the down side of using > the > > vesa driver. The reason I ask is because keeping > > XSERVER=auto, and setting X_COLOR_DEPTH=15 gives > me > > worse looking graphics than XSERVER=vesa and > leaving > > X_COLOR_DEPTH alone. Is vesa bad at motion? > > > > > > My experience with vesa modes is that they are less > accelerated, as they > are designed for broad compatibility. There is some > acceleration, but > not for motion video. > By default (on i810 machines, anyway) I get an > awful-looking desktop > with vesa, but 16-bit 1024x768 on the i810 driver > (or auto). > I suggest you try X_COLOR_DEPTH=24, given that the > card you have won't > do 16 bit. It sounds like it is going to 8bit > colour, which is only > vaguely describable as colour... :-) > The VESA driver will work, but the riva driver will > work better. The > riva driver should do all the 2D acceleration the > vesa driver will do > and more- 3D, movies, performance. > > Angus. Wow, it worked! I thought that when Robert said this card wouldn't do 16 bit color, that it also meant the card wouldn't do anything better than 16 bit--but I was wrong. Thanks for the suggestion. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 30 23:55:57 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Excellent Service (was "Re: did network install, do I still need to yum update?") In-Reply-To: <447CD06F.6020108@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060530235557.61115.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just wanted to point out that I posted a question to this list and in less than 3 and a half minutes, I received an answer from the top guy on this project. It's almost unbelievable. Where else can you get this kind of service? Thanks Eric and everyone else who make this software and this support mechanism work so well. -Rob --- Eric Harrison wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > > The subject says it all. I did a network install > of > > 5.0.0 Beta (by rsyncing the entire tree locally), > and > > it looks like my system is telling me that there > are > > updates available. I was under the impression > that > > doing a network install automatically got you the > most > > up to date packages, but maybe I'm wrong. Or is > it a > > Beta thing? > > > > -Rob > > > > > There is no difference between doing a network > install and installing > off of ISOs - you get the same packages either way. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed May 31 02:14:55 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 02:14:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] howto restore desktop settings Message-ID: <1149041695.3899.6.camel@server.ltsp> I have lost all my desktop tweaks for both KDE and Xfce by accidentally choosing 'reset desktop' at the session login screen (GDM?). Groan. How do I restore my customised settings? I know they are all there, but they appear gone when logging in. For example, evolution treats me like a new user, whereas I can see in my /home that the two accounts I had setup and received mail on are still there. I know it's one of those fundamental things one should know, but I've never been in this spot before, so .... Help!! Gavin. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed May 31 02:21:32 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:21:32 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] howto edit GDM menu Message-ID: <1149042092.3899.12.camel@server.ltsp> This is a supplementary question to my last post about undoing a 'reset desktop'. Where do I look to edit the login session menu that GDM offers on the stock K12LTSP install? In my GDM menu I have always seen repeats of session options (eg., more than one IceWM) and I want to remove that dreaded 'reset desktop' option altogether. Begone, I say! ;-) Gavin From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed May 31 07:12:34 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:12:34 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] How would this be for a K12LTSP server - Pentium D 805? Message-ID: <447D41E2.4030605@orcon.net.nz> I would like to upgrade my AMD 2500XP desktop running as a server for as cheaply as possible. This review at Tom's Hardware says that the Pentium D is very good value for money. Would it make a good cpu for a K12 server? http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/page44.html In this small server article Tom's Hardware seems to think it would do the job well. http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/10/19/the_best_platform_for_small_business_server_2003/page2.html If I went with this chip can anyone recommend a motherboard to go along with it. I guess it would need gigabit LAN, SATA2 raid and capacity for at least 3 GB of RAM. Any recommendations? Krsnendu dasa From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed May 31 11:26:46 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:26:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: /etc/hosts autoupdate In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0605301232h6f080347v46ef47ad2e114622@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200605311202.k4VC2EhY008221@mx3.redhat.com> All, Thanks for the advice. We currently have an Active Directory infrastructure in our district. Those that have an AD infrastructure know that the ADS needs DNS. So we have DNS running on the server that has Active Directory installed and a backup DNS it replicates with on a Windows 2000 Advanced Server. Here are my next questions: 1. Can I have Bind be a secondary DNS and replicate from the primary DNS that is installed on the Active Directory server? 2. How will this effect my thin clients? 3. What's the difference between BIND and BIND-CHROOT? Thanks again. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping School District P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Calvin Dodge Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:33 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: /etc/hosts autoupdate On 5/30/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > Is there a way for /etc/hosts to be automatically updated when DHCP > gives a lease to a client? So in /etc/hosts it will say something like this: I don't know about software to update /etc/hosts, but this feature IS available in DNS. Basically, you: 1) tell DHCP what the ddns-update domain is, and where the server is (and, possibly, a cryptographic key to authenticate the DHCP server to DNS) 2) tell the name server to accept updates from the DHCP server (make sure name server can write to its data directory (/var/named, or /var/named/chroot/var/named if bind-chroot is installed). After that, client names should go into forward and reverse DNS zones once they get an IP address from DHCP. Calvin _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed May 31 14:56:20 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:56:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: /etc/hosts autoupdate In-Reply-To: <200605311202.k4VC2EhY008221@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200605311202.k4VC2EhY008221@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1149087381.4991.15.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 07:26 -0400, Paul VanGundy wrote: > 1. Can I have Bind be a secondary DNS and replicate from the primary DNS > that is installed on the Active Directory server? Not sure, it would depend on how MS's DNS replicates its information. I would guess that it probably would work, assuming MS stuck to the RFC's, but I've never done it. > 2. How will this effect my thin clients? Well, assuming they are still getting their hostnames assigned correctly, I don't think it would affect them directly at all. Assuming your routing/firewalling/NAT'ing is setup to allow it, they would be accessible via hostname from outside the thinclient network, but other than that, it shouldn't change their behavior. Though again, I have not ever put my installations into this sort of configuration, so I could be wrong... > 3. What's the difference between BIND and BIND-CHROOT? BIND-CHROOT installs bind in a "chroot jail", meaning that it is sort of "trapped" in a sub-section of the system, only allowing it to access the resources it needs to do its job, and nothing else. It applies the principle of least privilege that is often used when assigning users permissions to the bind daemon. It greatly increases security, but it also introduces a pretty big jump in complexity. Unless your server is going to be right on the Internet, or some other similarly hostile environment, I wouldn't bother with it. But then again, it's an interesting exercise, so if you have the time, it's a worthwhile thing to become familiar with. -- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From robark at gmail.com Wed May 31 17:03:04 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:03:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How would this be for a K12LTSP server - Pentium D 805? In-Reply-To: <447D41E2.4030605@orcon.net.nz> References: <447D41E2.4030605@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: On 5/31/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I would like to upgrade my AMD 2500XP desktop running as a server for as > cheaply as possible. > This review at Tom's Hardware says that the Pentium D is very good value > for money. Would it make a good cpu for a K12 server? Yes I think it would. Although an AMD x2 might be better but more expensive. This cpu looks like it can be OC easily. BTW I prefer Anandtech website. Also if you can wait Intel is coming out with their Conroe cpu in a few months. It's called Core 2 Duo. > > If I went with this chip can anyone recommend a motherboard to go along > with it. I guess it would need gigabit LAN, SATA2 raid and capacity for > at least 3 GB of RAM. Any recommendations? If you want a cheap and good MB look at the ASUS P5LD2-VM it's got a i945G chipset so it has built in video plus the gigabit nic is Intel not Marvell. Intel seems to have better driver support in the kernel as compared to Marvell. But I would verify the Intel nic is supported. Plus the southbridge supports 4 SATA2 drives with ncq. BUT currently the linux kernel does not have production ncq support. http://linux-ata.org/sata-status.html#ahci But it's nice to have it for the future. So make sure you get SATA2 drives with ncq. My advice is get a couple Seagates and mirror them. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Wed May 31 17:06:35 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:06:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How would this be for a K12LTSP server - Pentium D 805? In-Reply-To: References: <447D41E2.4030605@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: Oh ya. If you are going to OC them make sure you get nice ram. The FSB on this 805 D cpu is 533mhz not 800mhz that's why it's cheap. -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Wed May 31 17:46:54 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:46:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How would this be for a K12LTSP server - Pentium D 805? In-Reply-To: References: <447D41E2.4030605@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: On 5/31/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Oh ya. If you are going to OC them make sure you get nice ram. The FSB > on this 805 D cpu is 533mhz not 800mhz that's why it's cheap. One more thing. Be aware these Pent D chips suck A LOT of power, even more if you OC. They get really HOT and require much cooling and a good PSU. That's probably the main reason Intel is dropping the P4 Netburst architecture. Take a look at the forum on this chip here www.ncix.com -- Robert Arkiletian Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From moquist at majen.net Wed May 31 17:50:45 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:50:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OT: /etc/hosts autoupdate (Paul VanGundy) In-Reply-To: <20060531160033.475B8733B4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060531160033.475B8733B4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060531175045.GA10830@majen.net> > 1. Can I have Bind be a secondary DNS and replicate from the primary DNS > that is installed on the Active Directory server? Sure. In fact, you can ditch Windows DNS entirely and go with Bind exclusively. O'Reilly's "DNS and BIND" has a great section that explains exactly what's going on with AD & DNS, and how you can set up Bind to do DNS for AD. It takes some messing around the first time you do it (especially if you're learning about AD at the same time), but I set up several schools a year ago with Bind (serving as primary and secondary) and they've been working fine. > 2. How will this effect my thin clients? If DNS is properly configured, it shouldn't affect your thin clients either way. Typically you just have all the thin clients in the hosts file on the server, though. > 3. What's the difference between BIND and BIND-CHROOT? 'chroot' is the command that CHanges ROOT to a specified directory. Many services can be run in 'chroot' mode, and doing so provides added insurance that they cannot be compromised and start messing about with files elsewhere in your filesystem. For example, if you chroot your bind service to /chroot, then it can't touch anything under /etc because it can't even see it. For that bind process, the root directory (/) is what *you* see as /chroot. Make sense? --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed May 31 18:04:03 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:04:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OT: /etc/hosts autoupdate (Paul VanGundy) In-Reply-To: <20060531175045.GA10830@majen.net> Message-ID: <200605311836.k4VIaMUh018623@mx1.redhat.com> Matt and All, I understand all of the below now. The same way you can jail a DHCP server....However, I guess I didn't explain myself well at all. I will try to explain what I want to do better.... We have Ubuntu 6.06 with LTSP running and authenticating against a Windows ADS for both usernames and passwords. When a computer contacts the DHCP server on the Ubuntu box it gives it a name of ws005.ltsp (an example). Well, I want an entry to be made in /etc/hosts that has the computers REAL name. So if computer.network.local contacts the Ubuntu DHCP server and it gives it a lease of 172.21.25.26 then a entry will be made in /etc/hosts that computer.network.local has 172.21.25.26 (example). See what I want? I want something like DDNS. I understand that. That is why I was asking how can I make it so I can get this to happen? Does LTSP solely rely on /etc/hosts for hosts information? Can you make LTSP use a DNS database? I hope I'm making sense. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matt Oquist Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:51 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OT: /etc/hosts autoupdate (Paul VanGundy) > 1. Can I have Bind be a secondary DNS and replicate from the primary > DNS that is installed on the Active Directory server? Sure. In fact, you can ditch Windows DNS entirely and go with Bind exclusively. O'Reilly's "DNS and BIND" has a great section that explains exactly what's going on with AD & DNS, and how you can set up Bind to do DNS for AD. It takes some messing around the first time you do it (especially if you're learning about AD at the same time), but I set up several schools a year ago with Bind (serving as primary and secondary) and they've been working fine. > 2. How will this effect my thin clients? If DNS is properly configured, it shouldn't affect your thin clients either way. Typically you just have all the thin clients in the hosts file on the server, though. > 3. What's the difference between BIND and BIND-CHROOT? 'chroot' is the command that CHanges ROOT to a specified directory. Many services can be run in 'chroot' mode, and doing so provides added insurance that they cannot be compromised and start messing about with files elsewhere in your filesystem. For example, if you chroot your bind service to /chroot, then it can't touch anything under /etc because it can't even see it. For that bind process, the root directory (/) is what *you* see as /chroot. Make sense? --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed May 31 19:11:37 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:11:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] users and groups,were are they hiding? Message-ID: <1149102697.28306.16.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello All, I posted this question a few days ago, and am still wrangling with this. I am unable to re-add an updated userlist via Webmin to one of our servers.( This same userlist added fine to three other servers identical to this sever). Webmin says that the users 'im wanting to add back after deleting ALL users,some already exist( this amounts to about 650 users),,I get "duplicate user already exists, not adding" on most users when Webmin adds this userlist. and some users do get re-added.I'm not really wanting to manually re-add 650 usernames/id#'s etc,ugh. What I have found since my first post is, When I right click on a users, home folder> do properties, that did re-add,and go view users/& group permissions to change them,, ALL of the users are in fact listed as an available user to change permission to. My question is were is Linux users & groups picking up these users from? They are diffinetly not listed in the users and groups GUI,as they are not listed in the files. Thought i should mention this i have manually deleted all home folders thinking this may have been the culprit . I thought possibly the users were being seen via samba but i've drilled through the user/password files of samba and nothing exists there ,either.I deleted all of the /var/samba/cache files as well. This sounds kind of confusing,I m sure. Anyone have any ideas? FC3 K12LTSP 4.2.1 Thanks, Barry Cisna From lighthumor at hotmail.com Wed May 31 18:27:35 2006 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:27:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] zeiberbude cybercafe manager install? Message-ID: Has anyone suceeded in installing Zeiberbude, a cybercafe manager, or something similar? From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 31 19:38:52 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:38:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] howto edit GDM menu In-Reply-To: <1149126292.15672.7.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1149042092.3899.12.camel@server.ltsp> <1149126292.15672.7.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <447DF0CC.5000709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Gavin Chester wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 10:21 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: >> This is a supplementary question to my last post about undoing a 'reset >> desktop'. Where do I look to edit the login session menu that GDM >> offers on the stock K12LTSP install? >> >> In my GDM menu I have always seen repeats of session options (eg., more >> than one IceWM) and I want to remove that dreaded 'reset desktop' option >> altogether. Begone, I say! ;-) > > I fixed the related GDM issue in my other post, but still couldn't find > anyway to pare down the session offerings listed in the GDM menu. > > Gavin > The location of the Session configuration files has changed over time. You'll find them in one of these directories: /etc/X11/dm/Sessions/ /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/ /usr/share/apps/switchdesk/ /usr/share/xsessions/ Each session type is contained in its own file. Depending on the version of K12LTSP, you'll have one or more of the following files. Deleting them all will make the "Reset your desktop" session disappear: /etc/X11/dm/Sessions/Reset.desktop /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/Reset your desktop /usr/share/apps/switchdesk/Xclients.reset_desktop /usr/share/xsessions/reset.desktop -Eric From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed May 31 20:06:44 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:06:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Picasa...also now on LInux! Message-ID: First, if you've never used Picasa (a photo album/editing program from Google) then you need to give it a try....it rocks! I've been using it for some time now...and I love it. I tell folks to avoid installing the software that comes with their digital camera and simply use Picasa....it's so much better. The editing tools are cool....the cataloging is automatic like iPhoto...only more so....and I love the ease with which I can share my photos online with any one of many services like Kodak EasyShare Gallery, Walmart, RitzPhoto, Shutterfly, Snapfish, and many others. Simply select the pics....click "order prints" (a bit of a misnomer) and it will create an online album for you to share using whatever service you use (most are free...I use the Kodak EasyShare Gallery). It's free program and it's available from Google. BUT...the best part? It's now available for Linux! And it looks and works....exactly the same as the Windows version. I installed it on my Ubuntu laptop.....it's very slick. I just hooked up my digital camera....it recognized it right away and away we go! Very cool. If you've longed for something that approaches the ease of iPhoto on Windows or Linux....this is it! http://picasa.google.com/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jritchie at bible.edu Wed May 31 20:21:16 2006 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah S.) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:21:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Picasa...also now on LInux! Message-ID: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA4554B2@rebekah.bible.edu> How does it work with Flickr? That's the one service I do you and would be interested, but I hear Picasa doesn't work with Flickr. Thanks, JSR/ -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:07 PM To: ACTEMLIST at LISTS.MAINE.EDU Subject: [K12OSN] Picasa...also now on LInux! First, if you've never used Picasa (a photo album/editing program from Google) then you need to give it a try....it rocks! I've been using it for some time now...and I love it. I tell folks to avoid installing the software that comes with their digital camera and simply use Picasa....it's so much better. The editing tools are cool....the cataloging is automatic like iPhoto...only more so....and I love the ease with which I can share my photos online with any one of many services like Kodak EasyShare Gallery, Walmart, RitzPhoto, Shutterfly, Snapfish, and many others. Simply select the pics....click "order prints" (a bit of a misnomer) and it will create an online album for you to share using whatever service you use (most are free...I use the Kodak EasyShare Gallery). It's free program and it's available from Google. BUT...the best part? It's now available for Linux! And it looks and works....exactly the same as the Windows version. I installed it on my Ubuntu laptop.....it's very slick. I just hooked up my digital camera....it recognized it right away and away we go! Very cool. If you've longed for something that approaches the ease of iPhoto on Windows or Linux....this is it! http://picasa.google.com/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From accessys at smart.net Wed May 31 20:26:09 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Picasa...also now on LInux! In-Reply-To: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA4554B2@rebekah.bible.edu> References: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA4554B2@rebekah.bible.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 May 2006, Ritchie, Josiah S. wrote: > How does it work with Flickr? That's the one service I do you and would > be interested, but I hear Picasa doesn't work with Flickr. heck does it allow you to rearrange the photos in the album or in the folder. neither F-Stop or DigiKam seem to allow this. Bob > > Thanks, > JSR/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of David Trask > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:07 PM > To: ACTEMLIST at LISTS.MAINE.EDU > Subject: [K12OSN] Picasa...also now on LInux! > > First, if you've never used Picasa (a photo album/editing program from > Google) then you need to give it a try....it rocks! I've been using it > for some time now...and I love it. I tell folks to avoid installing the > software that comes with their digital camera and simply use > Picasa....it's so much better. The editing tools are cool....the > cataloging is automatic like iPhoto...only more so....and I love the > ease > with which I can share my photos online with any one of many services > like > Kodak EasyShare Gallery, Walmart, RitzPhoto, Shutterfly, Snapfish, and > many others. Simply select the pics....click "order prints" (a bit of a > misnomer) and it will create an online album for you to share using > whatever service you use (most are free...I use the Kodak EasyShare > Gallery). It's free program and it's available from Google. BUT...the > best part? It's now available for Linux! And it looks and > works....exactly the same as the Windows version. I installed it on my > Ubuntu laptop.....it's very slick. I just hooked up my digital > camera....it recognized it right away and away we go! Very cool. > > If you've longed for something that approaches the ease of iPhoto on > Windows or Linux....this is it! > > http://picasa.google.com/ > > > > David N. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From caldodge at gmail.com Wed May 31 20:29:53 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:29:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Picasa...also now on LInux! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <824a5f7a0605311329w4606ed73g7db2804e3ae8d59e@mail.gmail.com> On 5/31/06, David Trask wrote: > First, if you've never used Picasa (a photo album/editing program from > Google) then you need to give it a try....it rocks! I've been using it I've been using the Linux version since this was announced, and am enjoying it quite a bit. One caveat for K12LTSP users - this is from the FAQ for the Linux version: (http://picasa.google.com/linux/faq.html) > Q: Will Picasa work over a remote X11 connection? > Yes, but you won't enjoy it. Picasa is a very graphics-intensive application > and, as such, may not work well over remote links. It won't work well over > a dedicated gigabit link, either. Calvin From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 20:34:09 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Picasa...also now on LInux! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060531203409.67633.qmail@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I installed it on my home's K12LTSP server over the weekend. I agree, it works pretty much just like the Windows version, which I, too, like. I even tried running Picasa on a thin client. The first time I started it up, I believe it complained about remote X not being supported and that I needed to change some device permissions. I made those changes, and it work really well on the thin client. I didn't try actually editing any images, though Picasa did catalog over 1000 photos from my hard drive. I have NOT tried having multiple thin clients running it simultaneously. To me, another great aspect of Picasa on Linux is its WINE tie-in. There are details at WINE's web site, www.winehq.com. Hopefully, this will encourage other companies to port their Windows apps to Linux. David Whitmer Media & Technology Director Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) ----- Original Message ---- From: David Trask To: ACTEMLIST at LISTS.MAINE.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:06:44 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Picasa...also now on LInux! First, if you've never used Picasa (a photo album/editing program from Google) then you need to give it a try....it rocks! I've been using it for some time now...and I love it. I tell folks to avoid installing the software that comes with their digital camera and simply use Picasa....it's so much better. The editing tools are cool....the cataloging is automatic like iPhoto...only more so....and I love the ease with which I can share my photos online with any one of many services like Kodak EasyShare Gallery, Walmart, RitzPhoto, Shutterfly, Snapfish, and many others. Simply select the pics....click "order prints" (a bit of a misnomer) and it will create an online album for you to share using whatever service you use (most are free...I use the Kodak EasyShare Gallery). It's free program and it's available from Google. BUT...the best part? It's now available for Linux! And it looks and works....exactly the same as the Windows version. I installed it on my Ubuntu laptop.....it's very slick. I just hooked up my digital camera....it recognized it right away and away we go! Very cool. If you've longed for something that approaches the ease of iPhoto on Windows or Linux....this is it! http://picasa.google.com/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 22:43:31 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] "network boot" in the bios In-Reply-To: <4477C784.7040205@hiplik.com.hk> Message-ID: <20060531224331.97201.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The computers in question support PXE in the bios. However, they're using "regular" network cards that I got from the junk pile. The network cards are not preset to boot PXE, but when it is selected in the bios to boot from the LAN, they do. The thing is that some of the computers don't boot from the network, even though I set the bios to boot from the LAN. My question is: do the network cards need to have special support for PXE in order to boot PXE? Or does the bios do all the work, so to speak? -Rob --- Victor wrote: > As far as I know, there are at least two kinds of > "network boot" in the > bios, i.e.e the PXE (Preboot eXecution Environment > from Intel) and RPL > (remote procedure load). For LTSP, it supports PXE. > For Novell > network, it supports RPL. > > I have tried PXE booting on network cards, sis900 > and rtl8139. > Basically I think LTSP can support any network card > which is preset to > PXE network boot. Therefore, you should first check > out whether the > P2's can support PXE booting. > > Victor > > Rob Owens wrote: > > I have a few P2's that I'm using as thin clients. > > They have the option of "network boot" in the > bios, in > > the "boot order" section. When I enable this, > some of > > them boot over the network, and some just hang. I > > assume it's related to the model of network card I > > have installed (they are not the originals that > came > > with these computers). > > > > So my question is, how do I know if a network card > is > > capable of booting over the network? Just to > clarify, > > I'm talking about *not* using a boot floppy. > > > > Thanks for all the help. > > > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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