From twolfe at sawback.com Wed Nov 1 01:24:59 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:24:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes Message-ID: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> Hi folks, I've been test driving K12LTSP a little, and have done some looking around the lists and googling to see if any resolutions to some issues I've notice are there... and thought I'd run things by this list. 1. A shortcoming in general with Linux is default support for (proprietary) internet multimedia formats. The typical response from K12LTSP supporters seems to be "We decided to not support proprietary formats"... but realistically, I need to provide students with *easy* access, for example, to CBC's website (http://cbc.ca) which has windows formats as its default (*very* limited .ogg support) :( Real Player, Shockwave and Flash are other examples. We can philosophically decide to not support proprietary formats, but in doing so we are also deciding to deny students access to (the bulk of?) internet multimedia information. I believe that these need to be supported by any OS used in an educational setting. Like pdf files, these are just way too entrenched to dismiss, and they should be supported by default. 2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with K12LTSP... but they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different NICs, sound cards, and video cards. Is there any easy way to do this...? Or is it a matter of researching each individual hardware setup to get things rolling? I'm thinking of sinking for a couple dozen $20 network cards so that at least I have that in common. Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems to me to be too much of a hassle. 3. rdesktop -- why isn't this standard with K12LTSP installation? Sure, it's easy enough to yum install rdesktop, but...?? 4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! I see lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but I'm only getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps NIC, and this seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Even then, something like Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with a local hard drive installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? BTW, my Dell SC1425 server works fine so long as I don't use it as an X terminal itself... something to do with the video card, but I'm not worrying about it for now. ...and if any of this has been over-discussed already my apologies, please ignore or refer me off list to the right place for answers. Despite the hurdles I'm pretty interested and optimistic. It seems like an amazing project, though certainly NOT "easy and working, duh?" yet. Regards, Tom Wolfe Morley, Alberta From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Nov 1 02:42:29 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:42:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] GRUB Grrrr In-Reply-To: <43080f460610311528s76cbd5ffnd43b01d5a956b2fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460610311140x1157c999me403563fd2574971@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460610311301o304245a8u904c246affb63b2@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50610311318obe4eb9cua596bb6ee575048d@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460610311528s76cbd5ffnd43b01d5a956b2fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45480995.3070307@rogers.com> Mel Wade wrote: > I get this message when using that: > > "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." > > Mel Hi I had a lot of problems with SATA drives setup as a raid set. They would get out of sync especially after a power outage but a times for no reason at all. On a reboot, the grub menu would display an error similar to the above. I checked the disks with Seagate tools, etc. nothing was wrong. On a hunch, I changed the SATA cables. That was a number of months ago and I have had absolutely no problems since then. Prior to the change I was losing a LVM disk and raid sync at least every few weeks. Tim From kdanb at kdanb.com Wed Nov 1 03:31:00 2006 From: kdanb at kdanb.com (Daniel Button) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:31:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing problem Message-ID: <454814F4.8050209@kdanb.com> Hi, I am running 4.2.1EL that has been upgraded through yum a few times. I have been very pleased with the way it runs. It has been doing a great job for a year and half! Now, my print queue is stopping and print jobs are backing up. I need to go in and manually restart the queue. This has not been 100%. Sometimes it is solved by rebooting the server. The printer is a HP1320 laser printer set up to print from one of the clients. It is set up as a JetDirect printer through cups. It has been working without issue for the past year. I had this problem on the previous server that was K12ltsp running RedHat 9. It had gotten messed by a messy yum conf file. This time around, I have been very careful to not play with the yum conf file. So, my question is has anybody else had a problem with their CUPS print queue stopping? Did anybody find the answer what was causing the queue to stop? I would appreciate any suggestions as to how I can fix my print queue problem. Thanks!! Dan From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 1 05:36:31 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:36:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1162359391.27278.33.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 19:24, Tom Wolfe wrote: > I've been test driving K12LTSP a little, and have done some looking around > the lists and googling to see if any resolutions to some issues I've notice > are there... and thought I'd run things by this list. > > 1. A shortcoming in general with Linux is default support for (proprietary) > internet multimedia formats. The typical response from K12LTSP supporters > seems to be "We decided to not support proprietary formats"... More realistically that's "we can't legally include certain things in the distribution". > but > realistically, I need to provide students with *easy* access, for example, > to CBC's website (http://cbc.ca) which has windows formats as its default > (*very* limited .ogg support) :( Real Player, Shockwave and Flash are other > examples. After installing k12ltsp, did you go into the 'Install additional software" folder? > We can philosophically decide to not support proprietary formats, but in > doing so we are also deciding to deny students access to (the bulk of?) > internet multimedia information. > > I believe that these need to be supported by any OS used in an educational > setting. Like pdf files, these are just way too entrenched to dismiss, and > they should be supported by default. OK, but first convince the people holding the patents to permit free distribution. > 2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with K12LTSP... but > they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different NICs, sound cards, and > video cards. Is there any easy way to do this...? Or is it a matter of > researching each individual hardware setup to get things rolling? I'm > thinking of sinking for a couple dozen $20 network cards so that at least I > have that in common. Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems to me > to be too much of a hassle. Most PCI cards should be detected automatically. The sound on some motherboards - like old Dell Optiplexes - is actually on the ISA bus and not auto-detected so you have to add the right module invocation for each model. > 3. rdesktop -- why isn't this standard with K12LTSP installation? Sure, it's > easy enough to yum install rdesktop, but...?? It should be available running directly on the client if you activate it on an alternate screen. > 4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! 10Mbs is not a good choice for running everything over the network. > I see > lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but I'm only > getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps NIC, and this > seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Have you had a problem finding surplus equipment in that range? PII's should be fine if they are PCI with a decent NIC and video card. > Even then, something like > Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with a local hard drive > installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? For more than a few terminals you need a gig uplink from the server to the switch. The terminal video performance will depend largely on it's video card - no surprises there. > BTW, my Dell SC1425 server works fine so long as I don't use it as an X > terminal itself... something to do with the video card, but I'm not worrying > about it for now. SCSI drives would give better performance. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Wed Nov 1 14:14:21 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:14:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20061101091421.57653588@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:24:59 -0700 "Tom Wolfe" wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've been test driving K12LTSP a little, and have done some looking > around the lists and googling to see if any resolutions to some issues > I've notice are there... and thought I'd run things by this list. > > 1. A shortcoming in general with Linux is default support for > (proprietary) Internet multimedia formats. The typical response from > K12LTSP supporters seems to be "We decided to not support proprietary > formats"... but realistically, I need to provide students with *easy* > access, for example, to CBC's website (http://cbc.ca) which has > windows formats as its default (*very* limited .ogg support) :( Real > Player, Shockwave and Flash are other examples. > This is not a shortcoming of Linux, but a shortcoming (or at least a short sightedness of the manufacturers. Mplayer, and some codecs will take care most multimedia files out there but you mentioned some of the ones that do not work. Real Player -- there is Helix, but I have not tried it. Real Player has released a player for Linux, but if I recall it is out of date. You would have to check. Shockwave -- Talk to adobe on this one :-) Flash -- As you may have noticed, the Linux support here is a full version behind. The Linux version has always been a little behind, but now you may have noticed it is a full version behind. It still works for many sites, but some insist on you having Flash 8, so that can be a pain. The reason it is a full version behind now is that Adobe has decided to rewrite the code for Linux Flash. BIG KUDOS to them for this move, but it does put us at a disadvantage over the short run. (see http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml;jsessionid=T3KZ3F51SMLPOQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleId=192501179 for some details.) > We can philosophically decide to not support proprietary formats, but > in doing so we are also deciding to deny students access to (the bulk > of?) internet multimedia information. > It is not a philosophically issue, but a legal/tech issue. Distros can not ship certain players, so you have to get it yourself (just like in the windows world). Or there just is no player for Linux, and this is an issue outside of the communities control. > I believe that these need to be supported by any OS used in an > educational setting. Like pdf files, these are just way too entrenched > to dismiss, and they should be supported by default. But unlike PDF, they are still CLOSED. At least PDF is an open format. (not as in FLOSS, but as in anyone can use it) > > 2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with > K12LTSP... but they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different > NICs, sound cards, and video cards. Is there any easy way to do > this...? Or is it a matter of researching each individual hardware > setup to get things rolling? I'm thinking of sinking for a couple > dozen $20 network cards so that at least I have that in common. > Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems to me to be too much > of a hassle. I would spend the $20 on standardizing the sound card, assuming your network cards are PCI and they are 100Mbps. Sound is where all your "hassle" will be, not with the network card. As noted, get PCI cards, and get ones that are well supported in Linux. An easy way to do what? With video and audio, you can use the "auto" option in your lts.conf and most will automatically be detected. (after that, I would find out exact what cards the "auto" option did find, and then change your config file. This will make the boot process faster, and you don't have to do all the leg work in finding all the card info). With the booting from floppies... guess that depends on what you are doing. If your clients have a hard drive, you could use this: http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/ This is what I do here. Another option would be buy NICs with bootroms, but I am pretty sure that is more then 20 buck each. You could also check the BOIS of the machines, some might be able to boot from the network to start with (if they have the NIC on board I assume). As for booting from Floppy (if that is the road you must use) -- But the Universal boot floppy in the drive, then pull the drive back 1 set of holes. Put a cover plate over the hole(s) (or maybe some duct tape). Hassle gone. Now just like haveing a Hard Drive. > > 3. rdesktop -- why isn't this standard with K12LTSP installation? > Sure, it's easy enough to yum install rdesktop, but...?? > Why doesn't Windows come with Quicktime standard? Sure it's easy enough to exe install Quicktime, but...?? Come on, is this really an issue for you? > 4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! > I see lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but > I'm only getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps > NIC, and this seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Even > then, something like Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with > a local hard drive installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? I have a PI client, 64 MB RAM and a 2MB RAM Sis Video card. Not the fastest of my clients, but for email, web, abiword, solitaire, and it does just as well as the others. Now I am useing IceWM and ROX and not Gnome/KDE but that is more a user decision then a hardware decision. Another client is a 233MHz processor, 128MB RAM and a 4MB RAM video card. Works just as well as my fastest client. That one is the same as above, but has a 500MHz processor. Your real issue here is the network speed. You REALLY need to use 100Mbps - 10 is just TOO slow. I've done it, and it works, but I would not want to do it for a long time and with 20+ clients. (I did it as a proof of concept with 1 off the shelf PC as the server, and 10 old PCs as the clients. Then as we got the money, we did the various upgrades needed. STARTING with the network backbone.) And if you are going to have 20 clients, you need Gig at the switch. Have you tried Celestria on the PII as a native app (i.e. not LTSP). I am pretty sure that 90% of distros out there on a PII or less will choke. Believe me, I have tried. It talks a special distro to may my PI work as a stand alone. > > BTW, my Dell SC1425 server works fine so long as I don't use it as an > X terminal itself... something to do with the video card, but I'm not > worrying about it for now. > > ...and if any of this has been over-discussed already my apologies, > please ignore or refer me off list to the right place for answers. > > Despite the hurdles I'm pretty interested and optimistic. It seems > like an amazing project, though certainly NOT "easy and working, duh?" > yet. K12LTSP has to be one of the most "easy and working" distros I have seen. (And I have worked with all of the big names, and many of the little guys as well). But you have to come at it with the right knowledge and equipment. Would you send an American football player into an Australian Rules Football game? Nope. They are both football, both sports, but each require a different set of knowledge and/or special equipment. Same with the Windows World and the Linux world. Both are OS's, both use i386 architecture, but they require a different set of knowledge and/or special equipment. > > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > Morley, Alberta > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 1 16:05:02 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 08:05:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing problem In-Reply-To: <454814F4.8050209@kdanb.com> References: <454814F4.8050209@kdanb.com> Message-ID: <4548C5AE.8090005@paasda.org> I never found out what was causing the stop... I suspected it was the thin client it was attached to hanging. so someone posted to use 'enable' command as a cron job... enable LibraryHP4050 for example...and I just have that run ever 5 minutes or so...no problems since... but I actually include ALL printers attached to thin clients...those that have their own print servers(Jet direct cards or others) I don't worry about... --Huck Daniel Button wrote: > Hi, > > I am running 4.2.1EL that has been upgraded through yum a few times. > I have been very pleased with the way it runs. It has been doing a > great job for a year and half! > > Now, my print queue is stopping and print jobs are backing up. I > need to go in and manually restart the queue. This has not been 100%. > Sometimes it is solved by rebooting the server. The printer is a HP1320 > laser printer set up to print from one of the clients. It is set up as > a JetDirect printer through cups. It has been working without issue for > the past year. I had this problem on the previous server that was > K12ltsp running RedHat 9. It had gotten messed by a messy yum conf > file. This time around, I have been very careful to not play with the > yum conf file. > So, my question is has anybody else had a problem with their CUPS > print queue stopping? Did anybody find the answer what was causing the > queue to stop? I would appreciate any suggestions as to how I can fix > my print queue problem. > > Thanks!! > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 1 16:09:53 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 08:09:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] windows machines on LTSP subnet Message-ID: <4548C6D1.7060300@paasda.org> Yesterday was the first time I attempted to put a windows machine attached to the same subnet as my thin clients. It failed. The machine receives an IP address the same as the thin clients...but no routing takes place to get traffic from eth0 on the LTSP server TO eth1 which has access to the rest of the world... Do I merely need to set up a 'route' on the LTSP server to allow Windows machines to have Internet connectivity? --Huck From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Nov 1 16:24:44 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:24:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Printer resetting Message-ID: Some time, (actually several times) I have seen messages come through here about what to do to reset a printer queue or whatever when a printer just quits working. It was some command that can be issued and put in a cron jpb that runs every so often to reset it and keep it working. Anyone who has that info, please forward to me. Thanks! I dug through my saved emails but failed to turn that info up Doug Simpson Technology Specialist Classified Know-Nothing DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 1 16:40:34 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:40:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] windows machines on LTSP subnet In-Reply-To: <4548C6D1.7060300@paasda.org> References: <4548C6D1.7060300@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4548CE02.7090608@maltzen.net> I ran into this last year on version 4.x. As I recall, the problem was the server wasn't doing NAT, probably caused by my messing with & turning off iptables after boot. Check /proc/net/ip_conntrack which should show your NAT activity. In my case, I think the file was flat-out missing, but running 'service nat start' fixed it IIRC. Petre Huck wrote: > Yesterday was the first time I attempted to put a windows machine > attached to the same subnet as my thin clients. It failed. The machine > receives an IP address the same as the thin clients...but no routing > takes place to get traffic from eth0 on the LTSP server TO eth1 which > has access to the rest of the world... > > Do I merely need to set up a 'route' on the LTSP server to allow Windows > machines to have Internet connectivity? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From twolfe at sawback.com Wed Nov 1 16:51:04 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:51:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: <20061101091421.57653588@localhost.localdomain> References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> <20061101091421.57653588@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: WOW, thanks Kevin for the excellent, detailed response. Your answers will go a long way to helping me get things running. I still believe the decision to go or not go with an OS that limits student access to information is a philosophical decision. The legal and technical issues unfortunately influence the decision of whether to implement something like K12LTSP. Right now my decision is going to hinge on whether I can get Firefox to work smoothly with sites like http://cbc.ca. I'll give MPlayer a shot first. I'll post to the list with the results of my efforts. I've gone through this in the past with my personal OS, which is FreeBSD, and I recall it was a bit of a chore but I think with Linux it will be easier. Misc: - booting from hard drives & buying sound cards instead of NICs, great suggestions - NICs with bootroms, btw, run for $19.95 at http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/100007.html?id=GvPmiYkN ... but I like the hard drive boot idea with a wizzy/tomsrtbt floppy or cd - rdesktop, OK, you win...K12LTSP seems so complete in so many respects, and I forgot what we were using for comparison... :) - Shockwave -- I've added my name to a petition & emailed them, for what it's worth - Network speed - yes, I've noticed with a 100 Mbps card the PI is quite acceptable for office-type tasks and even tuxpaint, childsplay, etc. Thanks again, Tom Wolfe Morley, Alberta On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Gentgeen wrote: > On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:24:59 -0700 > "Tom Wolfe" wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > I've been test driving K12LTSP a little, and have done some looking > > around the lists and googling to see if any resolutions to some issues > > I've notice are there... and thought I'd run things by this list. > > > > 1. A shortcoming in general with Linux is default support for > > (proprietary) Internet multimedia formats. The typical response from > > K12LTSP supporters seems to be "We decided to not support proprietary > > formats"... but realistically, I need to provide students with *easy* > > access, for example, to CBC's website (http://cbc.ca) which has > > windows formats as its default (*very* limited .ogg support) :( Real > > Player, Shockwave and Flash are other examples. > > > > This is not a shortcoming of Linux, but a shortcoming (or at least a > short sightedness of the manufacturers. Mplayer, and some codecs will > take care most multimedia files out there but you mentioned some of the > ones that do not work. > > Real Player -- there is Helix, but I have not tried it. Real Player has > released a player for Linux, but if I recall it is out of date. You > would have to check. > > Shockwave -- Talk to adobe on this one :-) > > Flash -- As you may have noticed, the Linux support here is a full > version behind. The Linux version has always been a little behind, but > now you may have noticed it is a full version behind. It still works > for many sites, but some insist on you having Flash 8, so that can be a > pain. The reason it is a full version behind now is that Adobe has > decided to rewrite the code for Linux Flash. BIG KUDOS to them for this > move, but it does put us at a disadvantage over the short run. (see > http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml;jsessionid=T3KZ3F51SMLPOQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleId=192501179 > for some details.) > > > > We can philosophically decide to not support proprietary formats, but > > in doing so we are also deciding to deny students access to (the bulk > > of?) internet multimedia information. > > > > It is not a philosophically issue, but a legal/tech issue. Distros can > not ship certain players, so you have to get it yourself (just like in > the windows world). Or there just is no player for Linux, and this is > an issue outside of the communities control. > > > I believe that these need to be supported by any OS used in an > > educational setting. Like pdf files, these are just way too entrenched > > to dismiss, and they should be supported by default. > > But unlike PDF, they are still CLOSED. At least PDF is an open format. > (not as in FLOSS, but as in anyone can use it) > > > > > 2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with > > K12LTSP... but they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different > > NICs, sound cards, and video cards. Is there any easy way to do > > this...? Or is it a matter of researching each individual hardware > > setup to get things rolling? I'm thinking of sinking for a couple > > dozen $20 network cards so that at least I have that in common. > > Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems to me to be too much > > of a hassle. > > I would spend the $20 on standardizing the sound card, assuming your > network cards are PCI and they are 100Mbps. Sound is where all your > "hassle" will be, not with the network card. As noted, get PCI cards, > and get ones that are well supported in Linux. > > An easy way to do what? With video and audio, you can use the "auto" > option in your lts.conf and most will automatically be detected. (after > that, I would find out exact what cards the "auto" option did find, and > then change your config file. This will make the boot process faster, > and you don't have to do all the leg work in finding all the card info). > > With the booting from floppies... guess that depends on what you are > doing. If your clients have a hard drive, you could use this: > http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/ > This is what I do here. Another option would be buy NICs with bootroms, > but I am pretty sure that is more then 20 buck each. You could also > check the BOIS of the machines, some might be able to boot from the > network to start with (if they have the NIC on board I assume). > > As for booting from Floppy (if that is the road you must use) -- But the > Universal boot floppy in the drive, then pull the drive back 1 set of > holes. Put a cover plate over the hole(s) (or maybe some duct tape). > Hassle gone. Now just like haveing a Hard Drive. > > > > > 3. rdesktop -- why isn't this standard with K12LTSP installation? > > Sure, it's easy enough to yum install rdesktop, but...?? > > > > Why doesn't Windows come with Quicktime standard? Sure it's easy enough > to exe install Quicktime, but...?? > > Come on, is this really an issue for you? > > > 4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! > > I see lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but > > I'm only getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps > > NIC, and this seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Even > > then, something like Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with > > a local hard drive installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? > > I have a PI client, 64 MB RAM and a 2MB RAM Sis Video card. Not the > fastest of my clients, but for email, web, abiword, solitaire, and it > does just as well as the others. Now I am useing IceWM and ROX and not > Gnome/KDE but that is more a user decision then a hardware decision. > > Another client is a 233MHz processor, 128MB RAM and a 4MB RAM video > card. Works just as well as my fastest client. That one is the same as > above, but has a 500MHz processor. > > Your real issue here is the network speed. You REALLY need to use > 100Mbps - 10 is just TOO slow. I've done it, and it works, but I would > not want to do it for a long time and with 20+ clients. (I did it as a > proof of concept with 1 off the shelf PC as the server, and 10 old PCs > as the clients. Then as we got the money, we did the various upgrades > needed. STARTING with the network backbone.) And if you are going to > have 20 clients, you need Gig at the switch. > > Have you tried Celestria on the PII as a native app (i.e. not LTSP). > I am pretty sure that 90% of distros out there on a PII or less will > choke. Believe me, I have tried. It talks a special distro to may > my PI work as a stand alone. > > > > > BTW, my Dell SC1425 server works fine so long as I don't use it as an > > X terminal itself... something to do with the video card, but I'm not > > worrying about it for now. > > > > ...and if any of this has been over-discussed already my apologies, > > please ignore or refer me off list to the right place for answers. > > > > Despite the hurdles I'm pretty interested and optimistic. It seems > > like an amazing project, though certainly NOT "easy and working, duh?" > > yet. > > K12LTSP has to be one of the most "easy and working" distros I have > seen. (And I have worked with all of the big names, and many of the > little guys as well). But you have to come at it with the right > knowledge and equipment. Would you send an American football player > into an Australian Rules Football game? Nope. They are both football, > both sports, but each require a different set of knowledge and/or > special equipment. Same with the Windows World and the Linux world. > Both are OS's, both use i386 architecture, but they require a different > set of knowledge and/or special equipment. > > > > > Regards, > > Tom Wolfe > > Morley, Alberta > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > -- > http://gentgeen.homelinux.org > > ############################################################# > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 1 16:56:59 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 08:56:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] windows machines on LTSP subnet In-Reply-To: <4548CE02.7090608@maltzen.net> References: <4548C6D1.7060300@paasda.org> <4548CE02.7090608@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4548D1DB.6030404@paasda.org> Interesting... chkconfig shows NAT to be going in runlevels 2345. I have no iptables rules when I do an 'iptables -L' no firewalling on the LTSP server it's behind the school's firewall. Here is a line from ip_conntrack : tcp 6 44 TIME_WAIT src=10.1.3.35 dst=209.104.35.15 sport=49647 dport=80 packets=6 bytes=1413 src=209.104.35.15 dst=10.1.3.35 sport=80 dport=49647 packets=6 bytes=760 [ASSURED] mark=0 use=1 --Huck Petre Scheie wrote: > I ran into this last year on version 4.x. As I recall, the problem was > the server wasn't doing NAT, probably caused by my messing with & > turning off iptables after boot. Check /proc/net/ip_conntrack which > should show your NAT activity. In my case, I think the file was > flat-out missing, but running 'service nat start' fixed it IIRC. > > Petre > > Huck wrote: >> Yesterday was the first time I attempted to put a windows machine >> attached to the same subnet as my thin clients. It failed. The machine >> receives an IP address the same as the thin clients...but no routing >> takes place to get traffic from eth0 on the LTSP server TO eth1 which >> has access to the rest of the world... >> >> Do I merely need to set up a 'route' on the LTSP server to allow >> Windows machines to have Internet connectivity? >> >> --Huck >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 1 17:02:55 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:02:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> <20061101091421.57653588@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4548D33F.2060902@mesd.k12.or.us> Tom Wolfe wrote: > I still believe the decision to go or not go with an OS that limits > student access to information is a philosophical decision. The legal and > technical issues unfortunately influence the decision of whether to > implement something like K12LTSP. By that rationale, other operating systems set fairly strict limits on student access to information as well. Consider the limitations of DRM (you can only listen to/view this media on certain devices) and proprietary software (you cannot see how this software works, participate in it's development, or give it to your friends). -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Nov 1 17:46:15 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:46:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school=?ISO-8859-1?Q? purposes?= In-Reply-To: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Hi folks, > >I've been test driving K12LTSP a little, and have done some looking around >the lists and googling to see if any resolutions to some issues I've >notice >are there... and thought I'd run things by this list. > >1. A shortcoming in general with Linux is default support for >(proprietary) >internet multimedia formats. The typical response from K12LTSP supporters >seems to be "We decided to not support proprietary formats"... but >realistically, I need to provide students with *easy* access, for example, >to CBC's website (http://cbc.ca) which has windows formats as its default >(*very* limited .ogg support) :( Real Player, Shockwave and Flash are >other >examples. > >We can philosophically decide to not support proprietary formats, but in >doing so we are also deciding to deny students access to (the bulk of?) >internet multimedia information. Ain't always philosophical....in some cases it's illegal....thus by not putting them into the distro...it's left up to the individual to decide what is right and what is wrong. You can install 99% of the codecs you need. The win32 codecs will solve your issues in most cases. We are able to play most any content. > >I believe that these need to be supported by any OS used in an educational >setting. Like pdf files, these are just way too entrenched to dismiss, and >they should be supported by default. > >2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with K12LTSP... >but >they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different NICs, sound cards, >and >video cards. Is there any easy way to do this...? Or is it a matter of >researching each individual hardware setup to get things rolling? I'm >thinking of sinking for a couple dozen $20 network cards so that at least >I >have that in common. Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems to >me >to be too much of a hassle. Booting with floppies is a piece of cake. In fact, it's easier to make a floppy than it is to put in a NIC. The Universal Boot Floppy (included with K12LTSP) will boot almost anything. > > >3. rdesktop -- why isn't this standard with K12LTSP installation? Sure, >it's >easy enough to yum install rdesktop, but...?? Not sure this is the case with rdesktop, but in some cases....the development of a program is such that it never stands still....thus it makes sense to simply let the user install it and therefore get the latest version in the repository > > >4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! I >see >lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but I'm only >getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps NIC, and this >seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Even then, something >like >Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with a local hard drive >installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? First of all, a Pentium III is OLD hardware. (we don't have anything less than P4's anymore) We had PIII's and PII's but then we just ended up with way too many....so we weeded out. Nonetheless, if you are going to use PII's and below, you'll probably need to use a lightweight window manager like IceWM. (We use it even with powerful thin-clients as it's a lot faster and more configurable) OpenOffice and the like will be deathly slow on 10baseT....use something like Abiword and gnumeric on those machines....or upgrade the NIC. Celestia crawls on any thin-client because it's so video intensive. Until we get local apps set up so its easy to use....Celestia is impractical. Use KStars....that runs fine and is actually educationally "more sound". > > >BTW, my Dell SC1425 server works fine so long as I don't use it as an X >terminal itself... something to do with the video card, but I'm not >worrying >about it for now. Next, is the server beefy enough? Are you using gigabit NICs going to gigabit switches or ports? > > >...and if any of this has been over-discussed already my apologies, please >ignore or refer me off list to the right place for answers. No problem....this is how we all learn :-) Ask away! :-) > > >Despite the hurdles I'm pretty interested and optimistic. It seems like an >amazing project, though certainly NOT "easy and working, duh?" yet. Everyone's situation is different...for some it's a breeze as they have a bunch of the same hardware, a good clean network, and a powerful server.....for others, they may be trying to cobble things together. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From twolfe at sawback.com Wed Nov 1 18:10:42 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:10:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school=?ISO-8859-1?Q? purposes?= In-Reply-To: References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: Thanks David for a few more ideas to add to the mix. The server is powerful -- lots of RAM (3 GB) and a Gigabit card. I plan to use a switch that will have at least one port with a Gigabit, and 100 Mbps NICs is obviously going to be mandatory for the clients! Regards, Tom Wolfe On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >Hi folks, > > > >I've been test driving K12LTSP a little, and have done some looking around > >the lists and googling to see if any resolutions to some issues I've > >notice > >are there... and thought I'd run things by this list. > > > >1. A shortcoming in general with Linux is default support for > >(proprietary) > >internet multimedia formats. The typical response from K12LTSP supporters > >seems to be "We decided to not support proprietary formats"... but > >realistically, I need to provide students with *easy* access, for example, > >to CBC's website (http://cbc.ca) which has windows formats as its default > >(*very* limited .ogg support) :( Real Player, Shockwave and Flash are > >other > >examples. > > > >We can philosophically decide to not support proprietary formats, but in > >doing so we are also deciding to deny students access to (the bulk of?) > >internet multimedia information. > > Ain't always philosophical....in some cases it's illegal....thus by not > putting them into the distro...it's left up to the individual to decide > what is right and what is wrong. You can install 99% of the codecs you > need. The win32 codecs will solve your issues in most cases. We are able > to play most any content. > > > > >I believe that these need to be supported by any OS used in an educational > >setting. Like pdf files, these are just way too entrenched to dismiss, and > >they should be supported by default. > > > >2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with K12LTSP... > >but > >they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different NICs, sound cards, > >and > >video cards. Is there any easy way to do this...? Or is it a matter of > >researching each individual hardware setup to get things rolling? I'm > >thinking of sinking for a couple dozen $20 network cards so that at least > >I > >have that in common. Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems to > >me > >to be too much of a hassle. > > > Booting with floppies is a piece of cake. In fact, it's easier to make a > floppy than it is to put in a NIC. The Universal Boot Floppy (included > with K12LTSP) will boot almost anything. > > > > > >3. rdesktop -- why isn't this standard with K12LTSP installation? Sure, > >it's > >easy enough to yum install rdesktop, but...?? > > Not sure this is the case with rdesktop, but in some cases....the > development of a program is such that it never stands still....thus it > makes sense to simply let the user install it and therefore get the latest > version in the repository > > > > > >4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! I > >see > >lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but I'm only > >getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps NIC, and this > >seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Even then, something > >like > >Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with a local hard drive > >installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? > > First of all, a Pentium III is OLD hardware. (we don't have anything less > than P4's anymore) We had PIII's and PII's but then we just ended up with > way too many....so we weeded out. Nonetheless, if you are going to use > PII's and below, you'll probably need to use a lightweight window manager > like IceWM. (We use it even with powerful thin-clients as it's a lot > faster and more configurable) OpenOffice and the like will be deathly > slow on 10baseT....use something like Abiword and gnumeric on those > machines....or upgrade the NIC. Celestia crawls on any thin-client > because it's so video intensive. Until we get local apps set up so its > easy to use....Celestia is impractical. Use KStars....that runs fine and > is actually educationally "more sound". > > > > > >BTW, my Dell SC1425 server works fine so long as I don't use it as an X > >terminal itself... something to do with the video card, but I'm not > >worrying > >about it for now. > > Next, is the server beefy enough? Are you using gigabit NICs going to > gigabit switches or ports? > > > > > >...and if any of this has been over-discussed already my apologies, please > >ignore or refer me off list to the right place for answers. > > No problem....this is how we all learn :-) Ask away! :-) > > > > > >Despite the hurdles I'm pretty interested and optimistic. It seems like an > >amazing project, though certainly NOT "easy and working, duh?" yet. > > Everyone's situation is different...for some it's a breeze as they have a > bunch of the same hardware, a good clean network, and a powerful > server.....for others, they may be trying to cobble things together. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Nov 1 18:13:58 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:13:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] windows machines on LTSP subnet In-Reply-To: <4548D1DB.6030404@paasda.org> References: <4548C6D1.7060300@paasda.org> <4548CE02.7090608@maltzen.net> <4548D1DB.6030404@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1162404838.25593.32.camel@localhost> Huck: You need to: 1. check iptables with: iptables -L -t nat 2. check ip_forwarding with: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 3. If ip_forwarding is off (0), you should both turn it on now with: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and on reboot, by setting "net/ipv4/ip_forward=1" in /etc/sysctl.conf 4. Check that you are passing the "option routers" and "option domain-name-servers" in your dhcpd.conf. If not, add them with the IP of the LTSP box for "option routers" and the ips of the DNS servers on your network to "option domain-name-servers" -- dont forget to restart dhcpd! Then, it should all work. -Gadi On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 08:56 -0800, Huck wrote: > Interesting... chkconfig shows NAT to be going in runlevels 2345. > > I have no iptables rules when I do an 'iptables -L' no firewalling on > the LTSP server it's behind the school's firewall. > > Here is a line from ip_conntrack : > tcp 6 44 TIME_WAIT src=10.1.3.35 dst=209.104.35.15 sport=49647 > dport=80 packets=6 bytes=1413 src=209.104.35.15 dst=10.1.3.35 sport=80 > dport=49647 packets=6 bytes=760 [ASSURED] mark=0 use=1 > > --Huck > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > I ran into this last year on version 4.x. As I recall, the problem was > > the server wasn't doing NAT, probably caused by my messing with & > > turning off iptables after boot. Check /proc/net/ip_conntrack which > > should show your NAT activity. In my case, I think the file was > > flat-out missing, but running 'service nat start' fixed it IIRC. > > > > Petre > > > > Huck wrote: > >> Yesterday was the first time I attempted to put a windows machine > >> attached to the same subnet as my thin clients. It failed. The machine > >> receives an IP address the same as the thin clients...but no routing > >> takes place to get traffic from eth0 on the LTSP server TO eth1 which > >> has access to the rest of the world... > >> > >> Do I merely need to set up a 'route' on the LTSP server to allow > >> Windows machines to have Internet connectivity? > >> > >> --Huck > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 1 18:56:33 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:56:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] windows machines on LTSP subnet In-Reply-To: <1162404838.25593.32.camel@localhost> References: <4548C6D1.7060300@paasda.org> <4548CE02.7090608@maltzen.net> <4548D1DB.6030404@paasda.org> <1162404838.25593.32.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4548EDE1.30503@paasda.org> iptables -L -t nat Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination MASQUERADE all -- anywhere anywhere MASQUERADE all -- anywhere anywhere ip_forward is '1'... my dhcpd.conf looks like this (vitals): ddns-update-style none; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; option routers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254, 10.1.3.1; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; 10.1.3.1 is my router to the outside world... eth1 on the LTSP machine is 10.1.3.35... Still no luck though...I can ping 10.1.3.35 from the windows machine now but not 10.1.3.1. Thanks, --Huck Gideon Romm wrote: > Huck: > > You need to: > > 1. check iptables with: iptables -L -t nat > 2. check ip_forwarding with: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > 3. If ip_forwarding is off (0), you should both turn it on now with: > > echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > and on reboot, by setting "net/ipv4/ip_forward=1" in /etc/sysctl.conf > > 4. Check that you are passing the > "option routers" and "option domain-name-servers" in your dhcpd.conf. > If not, add them with the IP of the LTSP box for "option routers" and > the ips of the DNS servers on your network to "option > domain-name-servers" -- dont forget to restart dhcpd! > > Then, it should all work. > > -Gadi From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 19:45:22 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:45:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] windows machines on LTSP subnet In-Reply-To: <4548EDE1.30503@paasda.org> References: <4548C6D1.7060300@paasda.org> <4548CE02.7090608@maltzen.net> <4548D1DB.6030404@paasda.org> <1162404838.25593.32.camel@localhost> <4548EDE1.30503@paasda.org> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0611011145kc7f7a4g93b38a0ee4e3bdca@mail.gmail.com> I've seen that problem happen lately . In my case the DNS settings are not being sent to the client. I set them manually and it works fine. On 11/1/06, Huck wrote: > iptables -L -t nat > > Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) > target prot opt source destination > MASQUERADE all -- anywhere anywhere > MASQUERADE all -- anywhere anywhere > > ip_forward is '1'... > > my dhcpd.conf looks like this (vitals): > > ddns-update-style none; > option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; > option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; > option routers 192.168.0.254; > option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254, 10.1.3.1; > option domain-name "ltsp"; > option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > option option-128 code 128 = string; > option option-129 code 129 = text; > > shared-network WORKSTATIONS { > subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.0.254; > > > > 10.1.3.1 is my router to the outside world... eth1 on the LTSP machine > is 10.1.3.35... > > Still no luck though...I can ping 10.1.3.35 from the windows machine now > but not 10.1.3.1. > > Thanks, > > --Huck > > Gideon Romm wrote: > > Huck: > > > > You need to: > > > > 1. check iptables with: iptables -L -t nat > > 2. check ip_forwarding with: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > 3. If ip_forwarding is off (0), you should both turn it on now with: > > > > echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > > > and on reboot, by setting "net/ipv4/ip_forward=1" in /etc/sysctl.conf > > > > 4. Check that you are passing the > > "option routers" and "option domain-name-servers" in your dhcpd.conf. > > If not, add them with the IP of the LTSP box for "option routers" and > > the ips of the DNS servers on your network to "option > > domain-name-servers" -- dont forget to restart dhcpd! > > > > Then, it should all work. > > > > -Gadi > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmccaa at tiu11.org Wed Nov 1 21:33:48 2006 From: rmccaa at tiu11.org (Bob McCaa) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:33:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Grade Book Message-ID: <454912BC.1030202@tiu11.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 K12OSN: Our District has been using Lettergrade(www.jasminetech.com) as our grade book for almost 4 years. Due to some recent changes in the company, we may be forced to use a different product, perhaps as soon as Summer 2007. When our Assistant Business Manager approached me with this news, I saw it as an opportunity to push Open Source solutions on him. I theorized that it may be worth our while to look at the possibility of using an open source grade book that provided us with the features we require. Rather than pay a company to provide support, we can instead place that money into development staff who can provide us with the customization we require while placing code back into the open source community. We're looking at SchoolTool.org. What are some other open source Student Information and Gradebook systems? Bob McCaa -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFSRK73zXhtRrNjggRAr6QAJ966+UysjAzk2xzrMSEQry+ecJoLQCfRhHZ Zi4knyoCBeRR9WPTLi2DWww= =kn8U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 1 21:36:17 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:36:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> <20061101091421.57653588@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1162416977.3076.28.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 11:51 -0500, Tom Wolfe wrote: > I still believe the decision to go or not go with an OS that limits > student access to information is a philosophical decision. In most cases the OS doesn't limit anything even it it doesn't provide it out of the box. I'd argue that limiting student exposure to just one OS is more relevant as a philosophical decisions go. > The legal and > technical issues unfortunately influence the decision of whether to > implement something like K12LTSP. You can use the same thin clients as terminals to another OS - at the same time if you want. > Right now my decision is going to hinge on whether I can get Firefox to > work smoothly with sites like http://cbc.ca. I'll give MPlayer a shot > first. I'll post to the list with the results of my efforts. I've gone > through this in the past with my personal OS, which is FreeBSD, and I > recall it was a bit of a chore but I think with Linux it will be easier. Most places aren't going to have the bandwidth to do internet streaming video to a roomful of computers at once, thin client or not. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 1 22:04:26 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:04:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Grade Book In-Reply-To: <454912BC.1030202@tiu11.org> References: <454912BC.1030202@tiu11.org> Message-ID: <454919EA.3060001@maltzen.net> Have a look at Open Admin: http://richtech.ca/openadmin/ Bob McCaa wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > K12OSN: > > Our District has been using Lettergrade(www.jasminetech.com) as our > grade book for almost 4 years. Due to some recent changes in the > company, we may be forced to use a different product, perhaps as soon as > Summer 2007. > > When our Assistant Business Manager approached me with this news, I saw > it as an opportunity to push Open Source solutions on him. I theorized > that it may be worth our while to look at the possibility of using an > open source grade book that provided us with the features we require. > Rather than pay a company to provide support, we can instead place that > money into development staff who can provide us with the customization > we require while placing code back into the open source community. > > We're looking at SchoolTool.org. What are some other open source > Student Information and Gradebook systems? > > Bob McCaa > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFFSRK73zXhtRrNjggRAr6QAJ966+UysjAzk2xzrMSEQry+ecJoLQCfRhHZ > Zi4knyoCBeRR9WPTLi2DWww= > =kn8U > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From twolfe at sawback.com Wed Nov 1 22:25:17 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 17:25:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: <20061101091421.57653588@localhost.localdomain> References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> <20061101091421.57653588@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: ...can you recommend an inexpensive sound card that will work out of the box? thanks again, Tom Wolfe Morley, Alberta On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Gentgeen wrote: > On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:24:59 -0700 > "Tom Wolfe" wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > I've been test driving K12LTSP a little, and have done some looking > > around the lists and googling to see if any resolutions to some issues > > I've notice are there... and thought I'd run things by this list. > > > > 1. A shortcoming in general with Linux is default support for > > (proprietary) Internet multimedia formats. The typical response from > > K12LTSP supporters seems to be "We decided to not support proprietary > > formats"... but realistically, I need to provide students with *easy* > > access, for example, to CBC's website (http://cbc.ca) which has > > windows formats as its default (*very* limited .ogg support) :( Real > > Player, Shockwave and Flash are other examples. > > > > This is not a shortcoming of Linux, but a shortcoming (or at least a > short sightedness of the manufacturers. Mplayer, and some codecs will > take care most multimedia files out there but you mentioned some of the > ones that do not work. > > Real Player -- there is Helix, but I have not tried it. Real Player has > released a player for Linux, but if I recall it is out of date. You > would have to check. > > Shockwave -- Talk to adobe on this one :-) > > Flash -- As you may have noticed, the Linux support here is a full > version behind. The Linux version has always been a little behind, but > now you may have noticed it is a full version behind. It still works > for many sites, but some insist on you having Flash 8, so that can be a > pain. The reason it is a full version behind now is that Adobe has > decided to rewrite the code for Linux Flash. BIG KUDOS to them for this > move, but it does put us at a disadvantage over the short run. (see > http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml;jsessionid=T3KZ3F51SMLPOQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleId=192501179 > for some details.) > > > > We can philosophically decide to not support proprietary formats, but > > in doing so we are also deciding to deny students access to (the bulk > > of?) internet multimedia information. > > > > It is not a philosophically issue, but a legal/tech issue. Distros can > not ship certain players, so you have to get it yourself (just like in > the windows world). Or there just is no player for Linux, and this is > an issue outside of the communities control. > > > I believe that these need to be supported by any OS used in an > > educational setting. Like pdf files, these are just way too entrenched > > to dismiss, and they should be supported by default. > > But unlike PDF, they are still CLOSED. At least PDF is an open format. > (not as in FLOSS, but as in anyone can use it) > > > > > 2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with > > K12LTSP... but they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different > > NICs, sound cards, and video cards. Is there any easy way to do > > this...? Or is it a matter of researching each individual hardware > > setup to get things rolling? I'm thinking of sinking for a couple > > dozen $20 network cards so that at least I have that in common. > > Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems to me to be too much > > of a hassle. > > I would spend the $20 on standardizing the sound card, assuming your > network cards are PCI and they are 100Mbps. Sound is where all your > "hassle" will be, not with the network card. As noted, get PCI cards, > and get ones that are well supported in Linux. > > An easy way to do what? With video and audio, you can use the "auto" > option in your lts.conf and most will automatically be detected. (after > that, I would find out exact what cards the "auto" option did find, and > then change your config file. This will make the boot process faster, > and you don't have to do all the leg work in finding all the card info). > > With the booting from floppies... guess that depends on what you are > doing. If your clients have a hard drive, you could use this: > http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/ > This is what I do here. Another option would be buy NICs with bootroms, > but I am pretty sure that is more then 20 buck each. You could also > check the BOIS of the machines, some might be able to boot from the > network to start with (if they have the NIC on board I assume). > > As for booting from Floppy (if that is the road you must use) -- But the > Universal boot floppy in the drive, then pull the drive back 1 set of > holes. Put a cover plate over the hole(s) (or maybe some duct tape). > Hassle gone. Now just like haveing a Hard Drive. > > > > > 3. rdesktop -- why isn't this standard with K12LTSP installation? > > Sure, it's easy enough to yum install rdesktop, but...?? > > > > Why doesn't Windows come with Quicktime standard? Sure it's easy enough > to exe install Quicktime, but...?? > > Come on, is this really an issue for you? > > > 4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! > > I see lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but > > I'm only getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps > > NIC, and this seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Even > > then, something like Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with > > a local hard drive installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? > > I have a PI client, 64 MB RAM and a 2MB RAM Sis Video card. Not the > fastest of my clients, but for email, web, abiword, solitaire, and it > does just as well as the others. Now I am useing IceWM and ROX and not > Gnome/KDE but that is more a user decision then a hardware decision. > > Another client is a 233MHz processor, 128MB RAM and a 4MB RAM video > card. Works just as well as my fastest client. That one is the same as > above, but has a 500MHz processor. > > Your real issue here is the network speed. You REALLY need to use > 100Mbps - 10 is just TOO slow. I've done it, and it works, but I would > not want to do it for a long time and with 20+ clients. (I did it as a > proof of concept with 1 off the shelf PC as the server, and 10 old PCs > as the clients. Then as we got the money, we did the various upgrades > needed. STARTING with the network backbone.) And if you are going to > have 20 clients, you need Gig at the switch. > > Have you tried Celestria on the PII as a native app (i.e. not LTSP). > I am pretty sure that 90% of distros out there on a PII or less will > choke. Believe me, I have tried. It talks a special distro to may > my PI work as a stand alone. > > > > > BTW, my Dell SC1425 server works fine so long as I don't use it as an > > X terminal itself... something to do with the video card, but I'm not > > worrying about it for now. > > > > ...and if any of this has been over-discussed already my apologies, > > please ignore or refer me off list to the right place for answers. > > > > Despite the hurdles I'm pretty interested and optimistic. It seems > > like an amazing project, though certainly NOT "easy and working, duh?" > > yet. > > K12LTSP has to be one of the most "easy and working" distros I have > seen. (And I have worked with all of the big names, and many of the > little guys as well). But you have to come at it with the right > knowledge and equipment. Would you send an American football player > into an Australian Rules Football game? Nope. They are both football, > both sports, but each require a different set of knowledge and/or > special equipment. Same with the Windows World and the Linux world. > Both are OS's, both use i386 architecture, but they require a different > set of knowledge and/or special equipment. > > > > > Regards, > > Tom Wolfe > > Morley, Alberta > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > -- > http://gentgeen.homelinux.org > > ############################################################# > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 23:34:56 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:34:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> <20061101091421.57653588@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 11/1/06, Tom Wolfe wrote: > > ...can you recommend an inexpensive sound card that will work out of the > box? Ensoniq AudioPCI Soundblaster 128 PCI thanks again, > Tom Wolfe > Morley, Alberta > > > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Gentgeen wrote: > > > On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:24:59 -0700 > > "Tom Wolfe" wrote: > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > I've been test driving K12LTSP a little, and have done some looking > > > around the lists and googling to see if any resolutions to some issues > > > I've notice are there... and thought I'd run things by this list. > > > > > > 1. A shortcoming in general with Linux is default support for > > > (proprietary) Internet multimedia formats. The typical response from > > > K12LTSP supporters seems to be "We decided to not support proprietary > > > formats"... but realistically, I need to provide students with *easy* > > > access, for example, to CBC's website (http://cbc.ca) which has > > > windows formats as its default (*very* limited .ogg support) :( Real > > > Player, Shockwave and Flash are other examples. > > > > > > > This is not a shortcoming of Linux, but a shortcoming (or at least a > > short sightedness of the manufacturers. Mplayer, and some codecs will > > take care most multimedia files out there but you mentioned some of the > > ones that do not work. > > > > Real Player -- there is Helix, but I have not tried it. Real Player has > > released a player for Linux, but if I recall it is out of date. You > > would have to check. > > > > Shockwave -- Talk to adobe on this one :-) > > > > Flash -- As you may have noticed, the Linux support here is a full > > version behind. The Linux version has always been a little behind, but > > now you may have noticed it is a full version behind. It still works > > for many sites, but some insist on you having Flash 8, so that can be a > > pain. The reason it is a full version behind now is that Adobe has > > decided to rewrite the code for Linux Flash. BIG KUDOS to them for this > > move, but it does put us at a disadvantage over the short run. (see > > > http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml;jsessionid=T3KZ3F51SMLPOQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleId=192501179 > > for some details.) > > > > > > > We can philosophically decide to not support proprietary formats, but > > > in doing so we are also deciding to deny students access to (the bulk > > > of?) internet multimedia information. > > > > > > > It is not a philosophically issue, but a legal/tech issue. Distros can > > not ship certain players, so you have to get it yourself (just like in > > the windows world). Or there just is no player for Linux, and this is > > an issue outside of the communities control. > > > > > I believe that these need to be supported by any OS used in an > > > educational setting. Like pdf files, these are just way too entrenched > > > to dismiss, and they should be supported by default. > > > > But unlike PDF, they are still CLOSED. At least PDF is an open format. > > (not as in FLOSS, but as in anyone can use it) > > > > > > > > 2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with > > > K12LTSP... but they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different > > > NICs, sound cards, and video cards. Is there any easy way to do > > > this...? Or is it a matter of researching each individual hardware > > > setup to get things rolling? I'm thinking of sinking for a couple > > > dozen $20 network cards so that at least I have that in common. > > > Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems to me to be too much > > > of a hassle. > > > > I would spend the $20 on standardizing the sound card, assuming your > > network cards are PCI and they are 100Mbps. Sound is where all your > > "hassle" will be, not with the network card. As noted, get PCI cards, > > and get ones that are well supported in Linux. > > > > An easy way to do what? With video and audio, you can use the "auto" > > option in your lts.conf and most will automatically be detected. (after > > that, I would find out exact what cards the "auto" option did find, and > > then change your config file. This will make the boot process faster, > > and you don't have to do all the leg work in finding all the card info). > > > > With the booting from floppies... guess that depends on what you are > > doing. If your clients have a hard drive, you could use this: > > http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/ > > This is what I do here. Another option would be buy NICs with bootroms, > > but I am pretty sure that is more then 20 buck each. You could also > > check the BOIS of the machines, some might be able to boot from the > > network to start with (if they have the NIC on board I assume). > > > > As for booting from Floppy (if that is the road you must use) -- But the > > Universal boot floppy in the drive, then pull the drive back 1 set of > > holes. Put a cover plate over the hole(s) (or maybe some duct tape). > > Hassle gone. Now just like haveing a Hard Drive. > > > > > > > > 3. rdesktop -- why isn't this standard with K12LTSP installation? > > > Sure, it's easy enough to yum install rdesktop, but...?? > > > > > > > Why doesn't Windows come with Quicktime standard? Sure it's easy enough > > to exe install Quicktime, but...?? > > > > Come on, is this really an issue for you? > > > > > 4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! > > > I see lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but > > > I'm only getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps > > > NIC, and this seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Even > > > then, something like Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with > > > a local hard drive installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? > > > > I have a PI client, 64 MB RAM and a 2MB RAM Sis Video card. Not the > > fastest of my clients, but for email, web, abiword, solitaire, and it > > does just as well as the others. Now I am useing IceWM and ROX and not > > Gnome/KDE but that is more a user decision then a hardware decision. > > > > Another client is a 233MHz processor, 128MB RAM and a 4MB RAM video > > card. Works just as well as my fastest client. That one is the same as > > above, but has a 500MHz processor. > > > > Your real issue here is the network speed. You REALLY need to use > > 100Mbps - 10 is just TOO slow. I've done it, and it works, but I would > > not want to do it for a long time and with 20+ clients. (I did it as a > > proof of concept with 1 off the shelf PC as the server, and 10 old PCs > > as the clients. Then as we got the money, we did the various upgrades > > needed. STARTING with the network backbone.) And if you are going to > > have 20 clients, you need Gig at the switch. > > > > Have you tried Celestria on the PII as a native app (i.e. not LTSP). > > I am pretty sure that 90% of distros out there on a PII or less will > > choke. Believe me, I have tried. It talks a special distro to may > > my PI work as a stand alone. > > > > > > > > BTW, my Dell SC1425 server works fine so long as I don't use it as an > > > X terminal itself... something to do with the video card, but I'm not > > > worrying about it for now. > > > > > > ...and if any of this has been over-discussed already my apologies, > > > please ignore or refer me off list to the right place for answers. > > > > > > Despite the hurdles I'm pretty interested and optimistic. It seems > > > like an amazing project, though certainly NOT "easy and working, duh?" > > > yet. > > > > K12LTSP has to be one of the most "easy and working" distros I have > > seen. (And I have worked with all of the big names, and many of the > > little guys as well). But you have to come at it with the right > > knowledge and equipment. Would you send an American football player > > into an Australian Rules Football game? Nope. They are both football, > > both sports, but each require a different set of knowledge and/or > > special equipment. Same with the Windows World and the Linux world. > > Both are OS's, both use i386 architecture, but they require a different > > set of knowledge and/or special equipment. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Tom Wolfe > > > Morley, Alberta > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://gentgeen.homelinux.org > > > > ############################################################# > > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > > company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Nov 2 00:48:04 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:48:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <45494044.4020008@rogers.com> Hi Tom > 2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with K12LTSP... but > they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different NICs, sound cards, and > video cards. Is there any easy way to do this...? Or is it a matter of > researching each individual hardware setup to get things rolling? I'm > thinking of sinking for a couple dozen $20 network cards so that at least I > have that in common. Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems to me > to be too much of a hassle. Since you are in Alberta, take a look at http://vfxweb.com for Network cards. They have used 3com cards for as little as 4.00 and often have PXE bootable cards for fairly cheap. They also sell a number of sound cards for pretty cheap. I have some experience with network cards, floppies, boot roms etc. I would say it is a reliability/cost tradeoff. Boot floppies are cheapest but not always reliable. Even if the floppy works, it may be misplaced. These days I go with PXE, Etherboot Roms, Floppy in that order. PXE does not alway work reliably and I have several PCs that use PXE to download Etheboot because the PXE rom will not boot a kernel but will boot Etherboot. I have a rom programmer but the 3com 3c905C is usable as a cheap eprom programmer. You can often reclaim good rom chips from hardware that you are tossing... > 4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! I see > lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but I'm only > getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps NIC, and this > seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Even then, something like > Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with a local hard drive > installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? 10 Mbps is pretty much useless especially as a lot of 10 Mbps "switches" are just hubs which means everyone is sharing the 10 Mbps. I have used as little as a 486 but you don't really want to. We don't currently accept donations of hardware less than a PII but mostly is is just an attempt to slowly move forward. If you can avoid it, you don't want to deal with ISA and old video cards and monitors. You want any piece of hardware you have to be useable without configuration when you plug it in. Old monitors/videocards do not always sync automatically so I just avoid the really old (circa 1995) stuff now. > Despite the hurdles I'm pretty interested and optimistic. It seems like an > amazing project, though certainly NOT "easy and working, duh?" yet. Linux thin clients are by far one of the best ways to really increase reliability and decrease support requirements. It takes a little work to tweak it but essentially runs itself after that... Tim From sergio at turbocorp.com Thu Nov 2 01:39:07 2006 From: sergio at turbocorp.com (Sergio Chaves) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:39:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash 9 is out and works great! Message-ID: <200611012039.08392.sergio@turbocorp.com> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html -- "Let us never forget that what we are is more important than what we do." --James Hudson Taylor" ---- . . . . v Sergio Chaves v /(_)\ Linux User #221305 /(_)\ ^ ^ ^ ^ From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Nov 2 01:54:16 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:54:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Printer resetting Message-ID: <60218.74.38.37.29.1162432456.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Doug, I have good luck simply doing a ,in a terminal, " service cups restart "( as root). This seems to "revitalize" any stuck/zombied/braindead printer. Also ,I like "pictures". Use "http://localhost:631" in your web browser address bar, to get to your cups web GUI,and rifle through it and see what appears to be "stopped".. This has helped me immensly,with printer hang ups. I'm sure there is a more concise way of viewing printer ques to be more "scientific" about things,but i tend to get rough with things to get them cured.:) Take Care, Barry Cisna westcentral school From robark at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 02:03:44 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:03:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] server/client matrix for LTSP ? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611011607y28997468y75a8ceaf6b5bb3c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611011607y28997468y75a8ceaf6b5bb3c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/1/06, john wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm running ltsp 4.2 on Ubuntu 6.016 LTS and trying to figure out how much > server/ram to budget for. Has anyone ever done a matrix that says x number > of clients = this kind of server robustness? I've seen this > http://www.k12ltsp.org/casestudy.html but it'd be great to have something > a little more concise Not set in stone but this easy to remember cpu: 100mhz/client memory: 100mb/client Thanks! > > John > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for all the help, Todd From karisue at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 03:48:48 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 21:48:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Grade Book In-Reply-To: <454912BC.1030202@tiu11.org> References: <454912BC.1030202@tiu11.org> Message-ID: How about Miller Group's Centre? www.miller-group.net ~kari On 11/1/06, Bob McCaa wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > K12OSN: > > Our District has been using Lettergrade(www.jasminetech.com) as our > grade book for almost 4 years. Due to some recent changes in the > company, we may be forced to use a different product, perhaps as soon as > Summer 2007. > > When our Assistant Business Manager approached me with this news, I saw > it as an opportunity to push Open Source solutions on him. I theorized > that it may be worth our while to look at the possibility of using an > open source grade book that provided us with the features we require. > Rather than pay a company to provide support, we can instead place that > money into development staff who can provide us with the customization > we require while placing code back into the open source community. > > We're looking at SchoolTool.org. What are some other open source > Student Information and Gradebook systems? > > Bob McCaa > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFFSRK73zXhtRrNjggRAr6QAJ966+UysjAzk2xzrMSEQry+ecJoLQCfRhHZ > Zi4knyoCBeRR9WPTLi2DWww= > =kn8U > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 04:11:40 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:11:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Grade Book In-Reply-To: <454912BC.1030202@tiu11.org> References: <454912BC.1030202@tiu11.org> Message-ID: <92de6c880611012011ocd0180co772c9370f0644008@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bob, SchoolTool is a bit behind where we wanted to be with our gradebook. Essentially, our gradebook developer left with no warning this spring, and as we're trying to do a sophisticated gradebook, it was impossible to quickly replace him and make our fall deadline. We've reorganized and are pressing forward now with two full time developers working directly with two schools to finally finish and deploy a "complete" SchoolTool. Also we're working on an update to the website, which should be up real soon now. As Dan Berger might have told you, I live in Rhode Island now, but my family goes back about 150 years in Huntingdon County including a couple generations of teachers, so I have some additional inspiration for helping you with SchoolTool if I can. Realistically, though, it comes down to what developer capacity you actually have locally. SchoolTool is pure Python, and pretty heavy-duty Python at that. You'd need to have a good Python hacker on staff to get SchoolTool customized for your needs by next year (in the longer run, of course, you won't, but that polish will take a while). OTOH, Open Admin and Centre are PHP, which is more common. Anyhow, if you have any particular questions, feel free to contact me directly. Tom Hoffman SchoolTool Project Manager On 11/1/06, Bob McCaa wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > K12OSN: > > Our District has been using Lettergrade(www.jasminetech.com) as our > grade book for almost 4 years. Due to some recent changes in the > company, we may be forced to use a different product, perhaps as soon as > Summer 2007. > > When our Assistant Business Manager approached me with this news, I saw > it as an opportunity to push Open Source solutions on him. I theorized > that it may be worth our while to look at the possibility of using an > open source grade book that provided us with the features we require. > Rather than pay a company to provide support, we can instead place that > money into development staff who can provide us with the customization > we require while placing code back into the open source community. > > We're looking at SchoolTool.org. What are some other open source > Student Information and Gradebook systems? > > Bob McCaa > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFFSRK73zXhtRrNjggRAr6QAJ966+UysjAzk2xzrMSEQry+ecJoLQCfRhHZ > Zi4knyoCBeRR9WPTLi2DWww= > =kn8U > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rgarza28 at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 05:00:04 2006 From: rgarza28 at gmail.com (Ray Garza) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:00:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1162443604.13729.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Holy bat something! A $1000 router for the small lab? Doesn't anyone in that dept know any linux/BSD? How about a small $100 router from CompUSA or someplace like that? Could have done it for free with OpenBSD and a used PC. Oh, well. I guess they wanted something to manage. Hey, at least your on your way for some fun. :) Do you mind sharing as to what were their real concerns? Was it close to what you thought they were? -ray On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 22:23 -0500, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > Hey all, > > We met with the district this afternoon and, after much discussion, > they agreed to let us use the thin clients as long as we bought a > hardware firewall to insulate us from the network. They're > comfortable with one brand (FortiNet) so we're looking at an extra > $1000 or so. > > They're going to get us a quote, so I'll keep you updated about where > we are. > > Thanks for all the help, > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Thu Nov 2 14:31:26 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:31:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: <45494044.4020008@rogers.com> References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> <45494044.4020008@rogers.com> Message-ID: <454A013E.1070905@maltzen.net> Hey Tim, 1. Can you (or anyone else) elaborate on how you get PXE to download and run Etherboot? I've got some machines that have PXE, but, as you say, they won't boot. 2. How do you use the 3c905c as an eprom programmer? I assume you load a full linux on the host system and run some sort of utility? Thanks. Petre Timothy Legge wrote: > Hi Tom > >> 2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with >> K12LTSP... but >> they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different NICs, sound >> cards, and >> video cards. Is there any easy way to do this...? Or is it a matter of >> researching each individual hardware setup to get things rolling? I'm >> thinking of sinking for a couple dozen $20 network cards so that at >> least I >> have that in common. Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems >> to me >> to be too much of a hassle. > > Since you are in Alberta, take a look at http://vfxweb.com for Network > cards. They have used 3com cards for as little as 4.00 and often have > PXE bootable cards for fairly cheap. > > They also sell a number of sound cards for pretty cheap. > > I have some experience with network cards, floppies, boot roms etc. I > would say it is a reliability/cost tradeoff. Boot floppies are cheapest > but not always reliable. Even if the floppy works, it may be misplaced. > > These days I go with PXE, Etherboot Roms, Floppy in that order. PXE > does not alway work reliably and I have several PCs that use PXE to > download Etheboot because the PXE rom will not boot a kernel but will > boot Etherboot. > > I have a rom programmer but the 3com 3c905C is usable as a cheap eprom > programmer. You can often reclaim good rom chips from hardware that you > are tossing... > >> 4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! >> I see >> lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but I'm only >> getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps NIC, and this >> seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Even then, something >> like >> Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with a local hard drive >> installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? > > 10 Mbps is pretty much useless especially as a lot of 10 Mbps "switches" > are just hubs which means everyone is sharing the 10 Mbps. I have used > as little as a 486 but you don't really want to. > > We don't currently accept donations of hardware less than a PII but > mostly is is just an attempt to slowly move forward. > > If you can avoid it, you don't want to deal with ISA and old video cards > and monitors. You want any piece of hardware you have to be useable > without configuration when you plug it in. Old monitors/videocards do > not always sync automatically so I just avoid the really old (circa > 1995) stuff now. > >> Despite the hurdles I'm pretty interested and optimistic. It seems >> like an >> amazing project, though certainly NOT "easy and working, duh?" yet. > > Linux thin clients are by far one of the best ways to really increase > reliability and decrease support requirements. It takes a little work > to tweak it but essentially runs itself after that... > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From stegil at hotmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:32:46 2006 From: stegil at hotmail.com (Steve Gilmore) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:32:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district References: Message-ID: I agree with Ray G that a good BSD will perform equally well at almost 0$ . All you need is a spare PC a few nic cards. Monowall was the 1st firewall I used but have since migrated to PFsense a fork of Monowall. It has a few more features.Both have web interfaces for configuration/monitoring and great community support. http://m0n0.ch/wall/ http://www.pfsense.com/ Cheers SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd O'Bryan" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:23 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district > Hey all, > > We met with the district this afternoon and, after much discussion, they > agreed to let us use the thin clients as long as we bought a hardware > firewall to insulate us from the network. They're comfortable with one > brand (FortiNet) so we're looking at an extra $1000 or so. > > They're going to get us a quote, so I'll keep you updated about where we > are. > > Thanks for all the help, > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:46:40 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:46:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] server/client matrix for LTSP ? In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50611011607y28997468y75a8ceaf6b5bb3c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50611020746n797a829dk2604bea8a60f2dee@mail.gmail.com> Ok, Thanks Robert. That helps. Anyone have any opinion about running ltsp with "local apps" enabled for some Firefox and the like? 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It has a few more features.Both have web interfaces for > configuration/monitoring and great community support. > http://m0n0.ch/wall/ > http://www.pfsense.com/ > > Cheers > SteveG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd O'Bryan" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:23 PM > Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district > > > > Hey all, > > > > We met with the district this afternoon and, after much > discussion, they > > agreed to let us use the thin clients as long as we bought a hardware > > firewall to insulate us from the network. 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URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 2 15:53:19 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 07:53:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0611020749mbf0ef9bo31032fc33a1eeb97@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0611020749mbf0ef9bo31032fc33a1eeb97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <454A146F.3060203@paasda.org> Shall I give you a quote for a pfsense firewall "device" then ship you an old P3 with 256mb of ram and a couple NICS? ;) could even manage to find something rack-mountable I'm sure =) > > Hey all, > > > > We met with the district this afternoon and, after much > discussion, they > > agreed to let us use the thin clients as long as we bought > a hardware > > firewall to insulate us from the network. They're comfortable > with one > > brand (FortiNet) so we're looking at an extra $1000 or so. > > > > They're going to get us a quote, so I'll keep you updated about > where we > > are. > > > > Thanks for all the help, > > Todd From steven at simplycircus.com Thu Nov 2 15:58:17 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:58:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, BSD makes for a great firewall. But BSD won't solve his problem. The FortiNet firewall makes the upstream techs happy, then I say its a small price to pay. As K12LTSP useage grows Todd can easily place more and more K112LTSP servers and other linux workstations and servers behind this firewall until the whole school is behind it. And it will then be very difficult for district to tell you your interfearing with their operations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Steve Gilmore > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:33 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Meeting with district > > > I agree with Ray G that a good BSD will perform equally well at > almost 0$ . > All you need is a spare PC a few nic cards. > Monowall was the 1st firewall I used but have since migrated to PFsense a > fork of Monowall. It has a few more features.Both have web interfaces for > configuration/monitoring and great community support. > http://m0n0.ch/wall/ > http://www.pfsense.com/ > > Cheers > SteveG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd O'Bryan" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:23 PM > Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district > > > > Hey all, > > > > We met with the district this afternoon and, after much > discussion, they > > agreed to let us use the thin clients as long as we bought a hardware > > firewall to insulate us from the network. They're comfortable with one > > brand (FortiNet) so we're looking at an extra $1000 or so. > > > > They're going to get us a quote, so I'll keep you updated about > where we > > are. > > > > Thanks for all the help, > > Todd > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From twolfe at sawback.com Thu Nov 2 16:04:34 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:04:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If his upstream techs are paranoid of the idea of Todd's setup I have to wonder about their security in general. What's to prevent some kid from firing up his/her own DHCP server or worse on any of the other computers (or plug into a random ethernet port with his/her own machine) elsewhere in their system not protected by one of these cheesy "hardware" firewalls...? Tom On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Steven Santos wrote: > Yes, BSD makes for a great firewall. But BSD won't solve his problem. The > FortiNet firewall makes the upstream techs happy, then I say its a small > price to pay. > > As K12LTSP useage grows Todd can easily place more and more K112LTSP servers > and other linux workstations and servers behind this firewall until the > whole school is behind it. And it will then be very difficult for district > to tell you your interfearing with their operations. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > Mail: PO BOX 620753 > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 781-799-4938 > eFax: 309-214-0899 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > > Behalf Of Steve Gilmore > > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:33 AM > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Meeting with district > > > > > > I agree with Ray G that a good BSD will perform equally well at > > almost 0$ . > > All you need is a spare PC a few nic cards. > > Monowall was the 1st firewall I used but have since migrated to PFsense a > > fork of Monowall. It has a few more features.Both have web interfaces for > > configuration/monitoring and great community support. > > http://m0n0.ch/wall/ > > http://www.pfsense.com/ > > > > Cheers > > SteveG > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Todd O'Bryan" > > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:23 PM > > Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > We met with the district this afternoon and, after much > > discussion, they > > > agreed to let us use the thin clients as long as we bought a hardware > > > firewall to insulate us from the network. They're comfortable with one > > > brand (FortiNet) so we're looking at an extra $1000 or so. > > > > > > They're going to get us a quote, so I'll keep you updated about > > where we > > > are. > > > > > > Thanks for all the help, > > > Todd > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Nov 2 16:09:22 2006 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:09:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Homedir Permissions Message-ID: <4549C3D2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> I just noticed that there are quite a few homedirs with incoorect owners assigned to them. /home/user1 has user2 as the owner, which causes owner1 not able to log in. I have them authenticating against an Active Directory win2k3 server. has anyone else had this problem? From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 2 16:24:08 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:24:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] curriculum mapping Message-ID: <454A1BA8.10009@paasda.org> anyone found any OSS for this? Rubicon Atlas is well...over-priced... a very nice product though if you have a district willing to fork over the dinero. --Huck From gumprechtm at msad3.org Thu Nov 2 16:26:24 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 11:26:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Homedir Permissions In-Reply-To: <4549C3D2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <4549C3D2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <454A1C30.4080408@msad3.org> Yes, When I used two or more methods of entering usernames. I missed a setup step of starting id number in the webmin ldap samba and that re-used ids already assigned to other users, which, when they logged in put them in the wrong directory. Also when I tried directory administrator, same kind of deal happened. I found sticking to the command line is the best policy for me personally. Mark Daniel Kuecker wrote: > I just noticed that there are quite a few homedirs with incoorect > owners assigned to them. /home/user1 has user2 as the owner, which > causes owner1 not able to log in. I have them authenticating against an > Active Directory win2k3 server. has anyone else had this problem? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org From micha at arava.co.il Thu Nov 2 16:29:19 2006 From: micha at arava.co.il (Micha Silver) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:29:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] server/client matrix for LTSP ? In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50611011607y28997468y75a8ceaf6b5bb3c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <454A1CDF.1060003@arava.co.il> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > On 11/1/06, *john* > wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm running ltsp 4.2 on Ubuntu 6.016 LTS and trying to figure out > how much server/ram to budget for. Has anyone ever done a matrix > that says x number of clients = this kind of server robustness? > I've seen this http://www.k12ltsp.org/casestudy.html but it'd be > great to have something a little more concise > > > Not set in stone but this easy to remember > > cpu: 100mhz/client > memory: 100mb/client > A friend of mine has done benchmarking and claims that the price/performance curve is at a minimum with 10 clients per server, using very basic "entry level" servers: any Pent IV with 2 GB RAM and SATA disks. (This combination is cheapest, he claims, only when you don't have to pay for multiple server licenses from a certain well known software manufacturer...) Can anyone verify or contradict his idea? Thanks, Micha > > Thanks! > > John > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 2 16:38:41 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:38:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] server/client matrix for LTSP ? In-Reply-To: <454A1CDF.1060003@arava.co.il> References: <2be970b50611011607y28997468y75a8ceaf6b5bb3c0@mail.gmail.com> <454A1CDF.1060003@arava.co.il> Message-ID: <454A1F11.5000800@paasda.org> I just setup a P3 800 with 512mb of ram to fiddle with at a small school...4 clients running firefox brought it down in a hurry..all processor...didn't touch swap actually until I booted a 5th and 6th client. That was using the FC5 release from a couple months ago. I would stick with the 100/100/1 rule ;) 100Mh and 100 MB per client...my problem has ALWAYS been bandwidth...how can I get a larger pipe? bonding nics, load balancing..etc. --Huck From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Nov 2 16:58:08 2006 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:58:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Homedir Permissions In-Reply-To: <454A1C30.4080408@msad3.org> References: <4549C3D2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <454A1C30.4080408@msad3.org> Message-ID: <4549CF40.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Thanks for the suggestions, but I do not create any users on the thin client. they authenticate from windows. the homedirs are created from mkhomedir. >>> Mark Gumprecht 11/02/06 10:26 AM >>> Yes, When I used two or more methods of entering usernames. I missed a setup step of starting id number in the webmin ldap samba and that re-used ids already assigned to other users, which, when they logged in put them in the wrong directory. Also when I tried directory administrator, same kind of deal happened. I found sticking to the command line is the best policy for me personally. Mark Daniel Kuecker wrote: > I just noticed that there are quite a few homedirs with incoorect > owners assigned to them. /home/user1 has user2 as the owner, which > causes owner1 not able to log in. I have them authenticating against an > Active Directory win2k3 server. has anyone else had this problem? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 17:18:15 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:18:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200611021318.15569.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Thursday 02 November 2006 11:58, Steven Santos wrote: > Yes, BSD makes for a great firewall. But BSD won't solve his problem. The > FortiNet firewall makes the upstream techs happy, then I say its a small > price to pay. > > As K12LTSP useage grows Todd can easily place more and more K112LTSP > servers and other linux workstations and servers behind this firewall until > the whole school is behind it. And it will then be very difficult for > district to tell you your interfearing with their operations. > I concur with your assessment. The real problem he faced was bureaucratic, not technical. It might be worth the effort to get "them" to agree to monitor that firewall closely and present a report on what "problems" they discovered and to modify their ad-hoc connection policy based on the outcome, so that others in the district don't end up each spending $1000 for something they don't need. I thought it would be useful to post a link to a pre-assembled, fanless, monowall solution for $215 (hardware for 3 LANs and software pre-installed): http://www.netgate.com/product_info.php?cPath=60&products_id=209 It *might* be worthwile to counter-propose this "commercial" product (but then again it might not, you don't want to piss anyone off). You could buy 10 of these for one Fortinet, *and* there is widespread support for monowall. The same hardware can support pfSense or IPCop, but not from the vendor, it is based on the PC Engines WRAP 1E-2 board. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 18:12:07 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:12:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/1/06, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > Hey all, > > We met with the district this afternoon and, after much discussion, > they agreed to let us use the thin clients as long as we bought a > hardware firewall to insulate us from the network. They're > comfortable with one brand (FortiNet) so we're looking at an extra > $1000 or so. I thought I remembered the name FortiNet from somewhere. They were one of the first batch of companies to be found to violate the GPL. Be a real cold day before I give them a dime. See http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5684880.html Darryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twolfe at sawback.com Thu Nov 2 18:35:00 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:35:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> <20061101091421.57653588@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: OK, I've tried a couple of Ensoniq sound cards: Ensoniq ES1371 (on board PCI) Ensoniq ES5880 (PCI card) ... neither is working for me. Both work under DamnSmallLinux. Does my server need to have a sound card? Because it doesn't. Sorry if that's a stupid question... Regards, Tom Wolfe On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 11/1/06, Tom Wolfe wrote: > > > > ...can you recommend an inexpensive sound card that will work out of the > > box? > > > > Ensoniq AudioPCI > Soundblaster 128 PCI > > > thanks again, > > Tom Wolfe > > Morley, Alberta > > > > > > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Gentgeen wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:24:59 -0700 > > > "Tom Wolfe" wrote: > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > > I've been test driving K12LTSP a little, and have done some looking > > > > around the lists and googling to see if any resolutions to some issues > > > > I've notice are there... and thought I'd run things by this list. > > > > > > > > 1. A shortcoming in general with Linux is default support for > > > > (proprietary) Internet multimedia formats. The typical response from > > > > K12LTSP supporters seems to be "We decided to not support proprietary > > > > formats"... but realistically, I need to provide students with *easy* > > > > access, for example, to CBC's website (http://cbc.ca) which has > > > > windows formats as its default (*very* limited .ogg support) :( Real > > > > Player, Shockwave and Flash are other examples. > > > > > > > > > > This is not a shortcoming of Linux, but a shortcoming (or at least a > > > short sightedness of the manufacturers. Mplayer, and some codecs will > > > take care most multimedia files out there but you mentioned some of the > > > ones that do not work. > > > > > > Real Player -- there is Helix, but I have not tried it. Real Player has > > > released a player for Linux, but if I recall it is out of date. You > > > would have to check. > > > > > > Shockwave -- Talk to adobe on this one :-) > > > > > > Flash -- As you may have noticed, the Linux support here is a full > > > version behind. The Linux version has always been a little behind, but > > > now you may have noticed it is a full version behind. It still works > > > for many sites, but some insist on you having Flash 8, so that can be a > > > pain. The reason it is a full version behind now is that Adobe has > > > decided to rewrite the code for Linux Flash. BIG KUDOS to them for this > > > move, but it does put us at a disadvantage over the short run. (see > > > > > http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml;jsessionid=T3KZ3F51SMLPOQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleId=192501179 > > > for some details.) > > > > > > > > > > We can philosophically decide to not support proprietary formats, but > > > > in doing so we are also deciding to deny students access to (the bulk > > > > of?) internet multimedia information. > > > > > > > > > > It is not a philosophically issue, but a legal/tech issue. Distros can > > > not ship certain players, so you have to get it yourself (just like in > > > the windows world). Or there just is no player for Linux, and this is > > > an issue outside of the communities control. > > > > > > > I believe that these need to be supported by any OS used in an > > > > educational setting. Like pdf files, these are just way too entrenched > > > > to dismiss, and they should be supported by default. > > > > > > But unlike PDF, they are still CLOSED. At least PDF is an open format. > > > (not as in FLOSS, but as in anyone can use it) > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with > > > > K12LTSP... but they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different > > > > NICs, sound cards, and video cards. Is there any easy way to do > > > > this...? Or is it a matter of researching each individual hardware > > > > setup to get things rolling? I'm thinking of sinking for a couple > > > > dozen $20 network cards so that at least I have that in common. > > > > Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems to me to be too much > > > > of a hassle. > > > > > > I would spend the $20 on standardizing the sound card, assuming your > > > network cards are PCI and they are 100Mbps. Sound is where all your > > > "hassle" will be, not with the network card. As noted, get PCI cards, > > > and get ones that are well supported in Linux. > > > > > > An easy way to do what? With video and audio, you can use the "auto" > > > option in your lts.conf and most will automatically be detected. (after > > > that, I would find out exact what cards the "auto" option did find, and > > > then change your config file. This will make the boot process faster, > > > and you don't have to do all the leg work in finding all the card info). > > > > > > With the booting from floppies... guess that depends on what you are > > > doing. If your clients have a hard drive, you could use this: > > > http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/ > > > This is what I do here. Another option would be buy NICs with bootroms, > > > but I am pretty sure that is more then 20 buck each. You could also > > > check the BOIS of the machines, some might be able to boot from the > > > network to start with (if they have the NIC on board I assume). > > > > > > As for booting from Floppy (if that is the road you must use) -- But the > > > Universal boot floppy in the drive, then pull the drive back 1 set of > > > holes. Put a cover plate over the hole(s) (or maybe some duct tape). > > > Hassle gone. Now just like haveing a Hard Drive. > > > > > > > > > > > 3. rdesktop -- why isn't this standard with K12LTSP installation? > > > > Sure, it's easy enough to yum install rdesktop, but...?? > > > > > > > > > > Why doesn't Windows come with Quicktime standard? Sure it's easy enough > > > to exe install Quicktime, but...?? > > > > > > Come on, is this really an issue for you? > > > > > > > 4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! > > > > I see lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but > > > > I'm only getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps > > > > NIC, and this seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Even > > > > then, something like Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with > > > > a local hard drive installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? > > > > > > I have a PI client, 64 MB RAM and a 2MB RAM Sis Video card. Not the > > > fastest of my clients, but for email, web, abiword, solitaire, and it > > > does just as well as the others. Now I am useing IceWM and ROX and not > > > Gnome/KDE but that is more a user decision then a hardware decision. > > > > > > Another client is a 233MHz processor, 128MB RAM and a 4MB RAM video > > > card. Works just as well as my fastest client. That one is the same as > > > above, but has a 500MHz processor. > > > > > > Your real issue here is the network speed. You REALLY need to use > > > 100Mbps - 10 is just TOO slow. I've done it, and it works, but I would > > > not want to do it for a long time and with 20+ clients. (I did it as a > > > proof of concept with 1 off the shelf PC as the server, and 10 old PCs > > > as the clients. Then as we got the money, we did the various upgrades > > > needed. STARTING with the network backbone.) And if you are going to > > > have 20 clients, you need Gig at the switch. > > > > > > Have you tried Celestria on the PII as a native app (i.e. not LTSP). > > > I am pretty sure that 90% of distros out there on a PII or less will > > > choke. Believe me, I have tried. It talks a special distro to may > > > my PI work as a stand alone. > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, my Dell SC1425 server works fine so long as I don't use it as an > > > > X terminal itself... something to do with the video card, but I'm not > > > > worrying about it for now. > > > > > > > > ...and if any of this has been over-discussed already my apologies, > > > > please ignore or refer me off list to the right place for answers. > > > > > > > > Despite the hurdles I'm pretty interested and optimistic. It seems > > > > like an amazing project, though certainly NOT "easy and working, duh?" > > > > yet. > > > > > > K12LTSP has to be one of the most "easy and working" distros I have > > > seen. (And I have worked with all of the big names, and many of the > > > little guys as well). But you have to come at it with the right > > > knowledge and equipment. Would you send an American football player > > > into an Australian Rules Football game? Nope. They are both football, > > > both sports, but each require a different set of knowledge and/or > > > special equipment. Same with the Windows World and the Linux world. > > > Both are OS's, both use i386 architecture, but they require a different > > > set of knowledge and/or special equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Tom Wolfe > > > > Morley, Alberta > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://gentgeen.homelinux.org > > > > > > ############################################################# > > > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > > > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > > > company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Nov 2 18:45:17 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 12:45:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> <20061101091421.57653588@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <454A3CBD.8090806@maltzen.net> No, you don't need a sound card in the server. When the client boots up, before starting X, you should see some messages about the loading of the sound server; are you? What messages do you see? Also, have you specified ESD or NASD in lts.conf? NASD never works for me; ESD does, but only under Gnome. Petre Tom Wolfe wrote: > OK, I've tried a couple of Ensoniq sound cards: > Ensoniq ES1371 (on board PCI) > Ensoniq ES5880 (PCI card) > ... neither is working for me. Both work under DamnSmallLinux. > > Does my server need to have a sound card? Because it doesn't. Sorry if > that's a stupid question... > > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> On 11/1/06, Tom Wolfe wrote: >>> ...can you recommend an inexpensive sound card that will work out of the >>> box? >> >> >> Ensoniq AudioPCI >> Soundblaster 128 PCI >> >> >> thanks again, >>> Tom Wolfe >>> Morley, Alberta >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Gentgeen wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:24:59 -0700 >>>> "Tom Wolfe" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi folks, >>>>> >>>>> I've been test driving K12LTSP a little, and have done some looking >>>>> around the lists and googling to see if any resolutions to some issues >>>>> I've notice are there... and thought I'd run things by this list. >>>>> >>>>> 1. A shortcoming in general with Linux is default support for >>>>> (proprietary) Internet multimedia formats. The typical response from >>>>> K12LTSP supporters seems to be "We decided to not support proprietary >>>>> formats"... but realistically, I need to provide students with *easy* >>>>> access, for example, to CBC's website (http://cbc.ca) which has >>>>> windows formats as its default (*very* limited .ogg support) :( Real >>>>> Player, Shockwave and Flash are other examples. >>>>> >>>> This is not a shortcoming of Linux, but a shortcoming (or at least a >>>> short sightedness of the manufacturers. Mplayer, and some codecs will >>>> take care most multimedia files out there but you mentioned some of the >>>> ones that do not work. >>>> >>>> Real Player -- there is Helix, but I have not tried it. Real Player has >>>> released a player for Linux, but if I recall it is out of date. You >>>> would have to check. >>>> >>>> Shockwave -- Talk to adobe on this one :-) >>>> >>>> Flash -- As you may have noticed, the Linux support here is a full >>>> version behind. The Linux version has always been a little behind, but >>>> now you may have noticed it is a full version behind. It still works >>>> for many sites, but some insist on you having Flash 8, so that can be a >>>> pain. The reason it is a full version behind now is that Adobe has >>>> decided to rewrite the code for Linux Flash. BIG KUDOS to them for this >>>> move, but it does put us at a disadvantage over the short run. (see >>>> >>> http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml;jsessionid=T3KZ3F51SMLPOQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleId=192501179 >>>> for some details.) >>>> >>>> >>>>> We can philosophically decide to not support proprietary formats, but >>>>> in doing so we are also deciding to deny students access to (the bulk >>>>> of?) internet multimedia information. >>>>> >>>> It is not a philosophically issue, but a legal/tech issue. Distros can >>>> not ship certain players, so you have to get it yourself (just like in >>>> the windows world). Or there just is no player for Linux, and this is >>>> an issue outside of the communities control. >>>> >>>>> I believe that these need to be supported by any OS used in an >>>>> educational setting. Like pdf files, these are just way too entrenched >>>>> to dismiss, and they should be supported by default. >>>> But unlike PDF, they are still CLOSED. At least PDF is an open format. >>>> (not as in FLOSS, but as in anyone can use it) >>>> >>>>> 2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with >>>>> K12LTSP... but they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different >>>>> NICs, sound cards, and video cards. Is there any easy way to do >>>>> this...? Or is it a matter of researching each individual hardware >>>>> setup to get things rolling? I'm thinking of sinking for a couple >>>>> dozen $20 network cards so that at least I have that in common. >>>>> Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems to me to be too much >>>>> of a hassle. >>>> I would spend the $20 on standardizing the sound card, assuming your >>>> network cards are PCI and they are 100Mbps. Sound is where all your >>>> "hassle" will be, not with the network card. As noted, get PCI cards, >>>> and get ones that are well supported in Linux. >>>> >>>> An easy way to do what? With video and audio, you can use the "auto" >>>> option in your lts.conf and most will automatically be detected. (after >>>> that, I would find out exact what cards the "auto" option did find, and >>>> then change your config file. This will make the boot process faster, >>>> and you don't have to do all the leg work in finding all the card info). >>>> >>>> With the booting from floppies... guess that depends on what you are >>>> doing. If your clients have a hard drive, you could use this: >>>> http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/ >>>> This is what I do here. Another option would be buy NICs with bootroms, >>>> but I am pretty sure that is more then 20 buck each. You could also >>>> check the BOIS of the machines, some might be able to boot from the >>>> network to start with (if they have the NIC on board I assume). >>>> >>>> As for booting from Floppy (if that is the road you must use) -- But the >>>> Universal boot floppy in the drive, then pull the drive back 1 set of >>>> holes. Put a cover plate over the hole(s) (or maybe some duct tape). >>>> Hassle gone. Now just like haveing a Hard Drive. >>>> >>>>> 3. rdesktop -- why isn't this standard with K12LTSP installation? >>>>> Sure, it's easy enough to yum install rdesktop, but...?? >>>>> >>>> Why doesn't Windows come with Quicktime standard? Sure it's easy enough >>>> to exe install Quicktime, but...?? >>>> >>>> Come on, is this really an issue for you? >>>> >>>>> 4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! >>>>> I see lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but >>>>> I'm only getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps >>>>> NIC, and this seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Even >>>>> then, something like Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with >>>>> a local hard drive installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? >>>> I have a PI client, 64 MB RAM and a 2MB RAM Sis Video card. Not the >>>> fastest of my clients, but for email, web, abiword, solitaire, and it >>>> does just as well as the others. Now I am useing IceWM and ROX and not >>>> Gnome/KDE but that is more a user decision then a hardware decision. >>>> >>>> Another client is a 233MHz processor, 128MB RAM and a 4MB RAM video >>>> card. Works just as well as my fastest client. That one is the same as >>>> above, but has a 500MHz processor. >>>> >>>> Your real issue here is the network speed. You REALLY need to use >>>> 100Mbps - 10 is just TOO slow. I've done it, and it works, but I would >>>> not want to do it for a long time and with 20+ clients. (I did it as a >>>> proof of concept with 1 off the shelf PC as the server, and 10 old PCs >>>> as the clients. Then as we got the money, we did the various upgrades >>>> needed. STARTING with the network backbone.) And if you are going to >>>> have 20 clients, you need Gig at the switch. >>>> >>>> Have you tried Celestria on the PII as a native app (i.e. not LTSP). >>>> I am pretty sure that 90% of distros out there on a PII or less will >>>> choke. Believe me, I have tried. It talks a special distro to may >>>> my PI work as a stand alone. >>>> >>>>> BTW, my Dell SC1425 server works fine so long as I don't use it as an >>>>> X terminal itself... something to do with the video card, but I'm not >>>>> worrying about it for now. >>>>> >>>>> ...and if any of this has been over-discussed already my apologies, >>>>> please ignore or refer me off list to the right place for answers. >>>>> >>>>> Despite the hurdles I'm pretty interested and optimistic. It seems >>>>> like an amazing project, though certainly NOT "easy and working, duh?" >>>>> yet. >>>> K12LTSP has to be one of the most "easy and working" distros I have >>>> seen. (And I have worked with all of the big names, and many of the >>>> little guys as well). But you have to come at it with the right >>>> knowledge and equipment. Would you send an American football player >>>> into an Australian Rules Football game? Nope. They are both football, >>>> both sports, but each require a different set of knowledge and/or >>>> special equipment. Same with the Windows World and the Linux world. >>>> Both are OS's, both use i386 architecture, but they require a different >>>> set of knowledge and/or special equipment. >>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Tom Wolfe >>>>> Morley, Alberta >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://gentgeen.homelinux.org >>>> >>>> ############################################################# >>>> Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem >>>> your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad >>>> company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Arkiletian >> Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada >> Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ >> C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 19:04:01 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:04:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200611021504.01788.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Thursday 02 November 2006 14:12, Darryl Palmer wrote: > On 11/1/06, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > We met with the district this afternoon and, after much discussion, > > they agreed to let us use the thin clients as long as we bought a > > hardware firewall to insulate us from the network. They're > > comfortable with one brand (FortiNet) so we're looking at an extra > > $1000 or so. > > I thought I remembered the name FortiNet from somewhere. They were one of > the first batch of companies to be found to violate the GPL. Be a real > cold day before I give them a dime. See > http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5684880.html > > Darryl > This is ironic. The district tech office wants to firewall this huge "security risk" of a Linux machine, by using a Linux-based firewall. Meanwhile they express no concern for the security risks presented by Windows. LOL This might make good ammunition for presenting alternatives that are also based on open source kernels: IPCop is linux based, monowall and pfSense are FreeBSD based. All 3 projects are better "corporate citizens" than Fortinet has proven to be. Cost aside, Fortinet would be my last choice. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From twolfe at sawback.com Thu Nov 2 19:11:21 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:11:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: <454A3CBD.8090806@maltzen.net> References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> <20061101091421.57653588@localhost.localdomain> <454A3CBD.8090806@maltzen.net> Message-ID: OK, this is what comes up: starting syslogd Running Sound Server es1371: version v0.32 time 19:56:37 Jul 4 2006 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0e.0[A] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10 es1371: found chip, vendor id 0x1274 device id 0x5880 revision 0x02 es1371: found es1371, rev 2 at io 0xb800 irq 10 ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: 0x8384:0x7609 (SigmaTel STAC9721/23) - accepting connections on port 16001 /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy Starting Ibuscd... ...etc. ... btw, where is this log (for connecting clients) kept? So it looks like there is a resource conflict or something. Any suggestions? I'll see if I can mess with the IRQs in the bios or something. But this is a pain... like I said, these cards work without fiddling with DamnSmallLinux. Regards, Tom Wolfe On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > No, you don't need a sound card in the server. > > When the client boots up, before starting X, you should see some messages about the > loading of the sound server; are you? What messages do you see? > > Also, have you specified ESD or NASD in lts.conf? NASD never works for me; ESD does, > but only under Gnome. > > Petre > > Tom Wolfe wrote: > > OK, I've tried a couple of Ensoniq sound cards: > > Ensoniq ES1371 (on board PCI) > > Ensoniq ES5880 (PCI card) > > ... neither is working for me. Both work under DamnSmallLinux. > > > > Does my server need to have a sound card? Because it doesn't. Sorry if > > that's a stupid question... > > > > Regards, > > Tom Wolfe > > > > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > >> On 11/1/06, Tom Wolfe wrote: > >>> ...can you recommend an inexpensive sound card that will work out of the > >>> box? > >> > >> > >> Ensoniq AudioPCI > >> Soundblaster 128 PCI > >> > >> > >> thanks again, > >>> Tom Wolfe > >>> Morley, Alberta > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Gentgeen wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:24:59 -0700 > >>>> "Tom Wolfe" wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi folks, > >>>>> > >>>>> I've been test driving K12LTSP a little, and have done some looking > >>>>> around the lists and googling to see if any resolutions to some issues > >>>>> I've notice are there... and thought I'd run things by this list. > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. A shortcoming in general with Linux is default support for > >>>>> (proprietary) Internet multimedia formats. The typical response from > >>>>> K12LTSP supporters seems to be "We decided to not support proprietary > >>>>> formats"... but realistically, I need to provide students with *easy* > >>>>> access, for example, to CBC's website (http://cbc.ca) which has > >>>>> windows formats as its default (*very* limited .ogg support) :( Real > >>>>> Player, Shockwave and Flash are other examples. > >>>>> > >>>> This is not a shortcoming of Linux, but a shortcoming (or at least a > >>>> short sightedness of the manufacturers. Mplayer, and some codecs will > >>>> take care most multimedia files out there but you mentioned some of the > >>>> ones that do not work. > >>>> > >>>> Real Player -- there is Helix, but I have not tried it. Real Player has > >>>> released a player for Linux, but if I recall it is out of date. You > >>>> would have to check. > >>>> > >>>> Shockwave -- Talk to adobe on this one :-) > >>>> > >>>> Flash -- As you may have noticed, the Linux support here is a full > >>>> version behind. The Linux version has always been a little behind, but > >>>> now you may have noticed it is a full version behind. It still works > >>>> for many sites, but some insist on you having Flash 8, so that can be a > >>>> pain. The reason it is a full version behind now is that Adobe has > >>>> decided to rewrite the code for Linux Flash. BIG KUDOS to them for this > >>>> move, but it does put us at a disadvantage over the short run. (see > >>>> > >>> http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml;jsessionid=T3KZ3F51SMLPOQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleId=192501179 > >>>> for some details.) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> We can philosophically decide to not support proprietary formats, but > >>>>> in doing so we are also deciding to deny students access to (the bulk > >>>>> of?) internet multimedia information. > >>>>> > >>>> It is not a philosophically issue, but a legal/tech issue. Distros can > >>>> not ship certain players, so you have to get it yourself (just like in > >>>> the windows world). Or there just is no player for Linux, and this is > >>>> an issue outside of the communities control. > >>>> > >>>>> I believe that these need to be supported by any OS used in an > >>>>> educational setting. Like pdf files, these are just way too entrenched > >>>>> to dismiss, and they should be supported by default. > >>>> But unlike PDF, they are still CLOSED. At least PDF is an open format. > >>>> (not as in FLOSS, but as in anyone can use it) > >>>> > >>>>> 2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with > >>>>> K12LTSP... but they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different > >>>>> NICs, sound cards, and video cards. Is there any easy way to do > >>>>> this...? Or is it a matter of researching each individual hardware > >>>>> setup to get things rolling? I'm thinking of sinking for a couple > >>>>> dozen $20 network cards so that at least I have that in common. > >>>>> Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems to me to be too much > >>>>> of a hassle. > >>>> I would spend the $20 on standardizing the sound card, assuming your > >>>> network cards are PCI and they are 100Mbps. Sound is where all your > >>>> "hassle" will be, not with the network card. As noted, get PCI cards, > >>>> and get ones that are well supported in Linux. > >>>> > >>>> An easy way to do what? With video and audio, you can use the "auto" > >>>> option in your lts.conf and most will automatically be detected. (after > >>>> that, I would find out exact what cards the "auto" option did find, and > >>>> then change your config file. This will make the boot process faster, > >>>> and you don't have to do all the leg work in finding all the card info). > >>>> > >>>> With the booting from floppies... guess that depends on what you are > >>>> doing. If your clients have a hard drive, you could use this: > >>>> http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/ > >>>> This is what I do here. Another option would be buy NICs with bootroms, > >>>> but I am pretty sure that is more then 20 buck each. You could also > >>>> check the BOIS of the machines, some might be able to boot from the > >>>> network to start with (if they have the NIC on board I assume). > >>>> > >>>> As for booting from Floppy (if that is the road you must use) -- But the > >>>> Universal boot floppy in the drive, then pull the drive back 1 set of > >>>> holes. Put a cover plate over the hole(s) (or maybe some duct tape). > >>>> Hassle gone. Now just like haveing a Hard Drive. > >>>> > >>>>> 3. rdesktop -- why isn't this standard with K12LTSP installation? > >>>>> Sure, it's easy enough to yum install rdesktop, but...?? > >>>>> > >>>> Why doesn't Windows come with Quicktime standard? Sure it's easy enough > >>>> to exe install Quicktime, but...?? > >>>> > >>>> Come on, is this really an issue for you? > >>>> > >>>>> 4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! > >>>>> I see lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but > >>>>> I'm only getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps > >>>>> NIC, and this seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Even > >>>>> then, something like Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with > >>>>> a local hard drive installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? > >>>> I have a PI client, 64 MB RAM and a 2MB RAM Sis Video card. Not the > >>>> fastest of my clients, but for email, web, abiword, solitaire, and it > >>>> does just as well as the others. Now I am useing IceWM and ROX and not > >>>> Gnome/KDE but that is more a user decision then a hardware decision. > >>>> > >>>> Another client is a 233MHz processor, 128MB RAM and a 4MB RAM video > >>>> card. Works just as well as my fastest client. That one is the same as > >>>> above, but has a 500MHz processor. > >>>> > >>>> Your real issue here is the network speed. You REALLY need to use > >>>> 100Mbps - 10 is just TOO slow. I've done it, and it works, but I would > >>>> not want to do it for a long time and with 20+ clients. (I did it as a > >>>> proof of concept with 1 off the shelf PC as the server, and 10 old PCs > >>>> as the clients. Then as we got the money, we did the various upgrades > >>>> needed. STARTING with the network backbone.) And if you are going to > >>>> have 20 clients, you need Gig at the switch. > >>>> > >>>> Have you tried Celestria on the PII as a native app (i.e. not LTSP). > >>>> I am pretty sure that 90% of distros out there on a PII or less will > >>>> choke. Believe me, I have tried. It talks a special distro to may > >>>> my PI work as a stand alone. > >>>> > >>>>> BTW, my Dell SC1425 server works fine so long as I don't use it as an > >>>>> X terminal itself... something to do with the video card, but I'm not > >>>>> worrying about it for now. > >>>>> > >>>>> ...and if any of this has been over-discussed already my apologies, > >>>>> please ignore or refer me off list to the right place for answers. > >>>>> > >>>>> Despite the hurdles I'm pretty interested and optimistic. It seems > >>>>> like an amazing project, though certainly NOT "easy and working, duh?" > >>>>> yet. > >>>> K12LTSP has to be one of the most "easy and working" distros I have > >>>> seen. (And I have worked with all of the big names, and many of the > >>>> little guys as well). But you have to come at it with the right > >>>> knowledge and equipment. Would you send an American football player > >>>> into an Australian Rules Football game? Nope. They are both football, > >>>> both sports, but each require a different set of knowledge and/or > >>>> special equipment. Same with the Windows World and the Linux world. > >>>> Both are OS's, both use i386 architecture, but they require a different > >>>> set of knowledge and/or special equipment. > >>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Tom Wolfe > >>>>> Morley, Alberta > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> K12OSN mailing list > >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>> For more info see > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> http://gentgeen.homelinux.org > >>>> > >>>> ############################################################# > >>>> Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > >>>> your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > >>>> company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> K12OSN mailing list > >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>> For more info see > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Robert Arkiletian > >> Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > >> Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > >> C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From codezilla at email.com Thu Nov 2 19:11:58 2006 From: codezilla at email.com (Patrick Haggood) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:11:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1162494718.32001.22.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 12:12 -0600, Darryl Palmer wrote: > On 11/1/06, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > Hey all, > > We met with the district this afternoon and, after much > discussion, > they agreed to let us use the thin clients as long as we > bought a > hardware firewall to insulate us from the network. They're > comfortable with one brand (FortiNet) so we're looking at an > extra > $1000 or so. > > I thought I remembered the name FortiNet from somewhere. They were > one of the first batch of companies to be found to violate the GPL. > Be a real cold day before I give them a dime. See > http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5684880.html > > Darryl > Might they let you consider Smoothwall? http://www.smoothwall.org/ From twolfe at sawback.com Thu Nov 2 19:23:55 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:23:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: <454A3CBD.8090806@maltzen.net> References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> <20061101091421.57653588@localhost.localdomain> <454A3CBD.8090806@maltzen.net> Message-ID: OK, this is what came up: starting syslogd Running Sound Server es1371: version v0.32 time 19:56:37 Jul 4 2006 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0e.0[A] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10 es1371: found chip, vendor id 0x1274 device id 0x5880 revision 0x02 es1371: found es1371, rev 2 at io 0xb800 irq 10 ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: 0x8384:0x7609 (SigmaTel STAC9721/23) - accepting connections on port 16001 /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy Starting Ibuscd... ...etc. ... btw, where is this log (for connecting clients) kept? So it looks like there was a resource conflict or something. So I checked in the bios and slots 3 (NIC) and 6 (sound card) shared the same resourced. I switched the sound card to a different slot. Now I'm not getting the "Device or resource busy" error, but still no sound. I'm using esd and gnome desktop. And as I mentioned this same system boots happily with sound under DamnSmallLinux. Regards, Tom Wolfe On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > No, you don't need a sound card in the server. > > When the client boots up, before starting X, you should see some messages about the > loading of the sound server; are you? What messages do you see? > > Also, have you specified ESD or NASD in lts.conf? NASD never works for me; ESD does, > but only under Gnome. > > Petre > > Tom Wolfe wrote: > > OK, I've tried a couple of Ensoniq sound cards: > > Ensoniq ES1371 (on board PCI) > > Ensoniq ES5880 (PCI card) > > ... neither is working for me. Both work under DamnSmallLinux. > > > > Does my server need to have a sound card? Because it doesn't. Sorry if > > that's a stupid question... > > > > Regards, > > Tom Wolfe > > > > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > >> On 11/1/06, Tom Wolfe wrote: > >>> ...can you recommend an inexpensive sound card that will work out of the > >>> box? > >> > >> > >> Ensoniq AudioPCI > >> Soundblaster 128 PCI > >> > >> > >> thanks again, > >>> Tom Wolfe > >>> Morley, Alberta > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Gentgeen wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:24:59 -0700 > >>>> "Tom Wolfe" wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi folks, > >>>>> > >>>>> I've been test driving K12LTSP a little, and have done some looking > >>>>> around the lists and googling to see if any resolutions to some issues > >>>>> I've notice are there... and thought I'd run things by this list. > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. A shortcoming in general with Linux is default support for > >>>>> (proprietary) Internet multimedia formats. The typical response from > >>>>> K12LTSP supporters seems to be "We decided to not support proprietary > >>>>> formats"... but realistically, I need to provide students with *easy* > >>>>> access, for example, to CBC's website (http://cbc.ca) which has > >>>>> windows formats as its default (*very* limited .ogg support) :( Real > >>>>> Player, Shockwave and Flash are other examples. > >>>>> > >>>> This is not a shortcoming of Linux, but a shortcoming (or at least a > >>>> short sightedness of the manufacturers. Mplayer, and some codecs will > >>>> take care most multimedia files out there but you mentioned some of the > >>>> ones that do not work. > >>>> > >>>> Real Player -- there is Helix, but I have not tried it. Real Player has > >>>> released a player for Linux, but if I recall it is out of date. You > >>>> would have to check. > >>>> > >>>> Shockwave -- Talk to adobe on this one :-) > >>>> > >>>> Flash -- As you may have noticed, the Linux support here is a full > >>>> version behind. The Linux version has always been a little behind, but > >>>> now you may have noticed it is a full version behind. It still works > >>>> for many sites, but some insist on you having Flash 8, so that can be a > >>>> pain. The reason it is a full version behind now is that Adobe has > >>>> decided to rewrite the code for Linux Flash. BIG KUDOS to them for this > >>>> move, but it does put us at a disadvantage over the short run. (see > >>>> > >>> http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml;jsessionid=T3KZ3F51SMLPOQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleId=192501179 > >>>> for some details.) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> We can philosophically decide to not support proprietary formats, but > >>>>> in doing so we are also deciding to deny students access to (the bulk > >>>>> of?) internet multimedia information. > >>>>> > >>>> It is not a philosophically issue, but a legal/tech issue. Distros can > >>>> not ship certain players, so you have to get it yourself (just like in > >>>> the windows world). Or there just is no player for Linux, and this is > >>>> an issue outside of the communities control. > >>>> > >>>>> I believe that these need to be supported by any OS used in an > >>>>> educational setting. Like pdf files, these are just way too entrenched > >>>>> to dismiss, and they should be supported by default. > >>>> But unlike PDF, they are still CLOSED. At least PDF is an open format. > >>>> (not as in FLOSS, but as in anyone can use it) > >>>> > >>>>> 2. Sound -- I have about 25 workstations I'd like to use with > >>>>> K12LTSP... but they are all pretty diverse platforms: many different > >>>>> NICs, sound cards, and video cards. Is there any easy way to do > >>>>> this...? Or is it a matter of researching each individual hardware > >>>>> setup to get things rolling? I'm thinking of sinking for a couple > >>>>> dozen $20 network cards so that at least I have that in common. > >>>>> Besides, booting workstations with floppies seems to me to be too much > >>>>> of a hassle. > >>>> I would spend the $20 on standardizing the sound card, assuming your > >>>> network cards are PCI and they are 100Mbps. Sound is where all your > >>>> "hassle" will be, not with the network card. As noted, get PCI cards, > >>>> and get ones that are well supported in Linux. > >>>> > >>>> An easy way to do what? With video and audio, you can use the "auto" > >>>> option in your lts.conf and most will automatically be detected. (after > >>>> that, I would find out exact what cards the "auto" option did find, and > >>>> then change your config file. This will make the boot process faster, > >>>> and you don't have to do all the leg work in finding all the card info). > >>>> > >>>> With the booting from floppies... guess that depends on what you are > >>>> doing. If your clients have a hard drive, you could use this: > >>>> http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/ > >>>> This is what I do here. Another option would be buy NICs with bootroms, > >>>> but I am pretty sure that is more then 20 buck each. You could also > >>>> check the BOIS of the machines, some might be able to boot from the > >>>> network to start with (if they have the NIC on board I assume). > >>>> > >>>> As for booting from Floppy (if that is the road you must use) -- But the > >>>> Universal boot floppy in the drive, then pull the drive back 1 set of > >>>> holes. Put a cover plate over the hole(s) (or maybe some duct tape). > >>>> Hassle gone. Now just like haveing a Hard Drive. > >>>> > >>>>> 3. rdesktop -- why isn't this standard with K12LTSP installation? > >>>>> Sure, it's easy enough to yum install rdesktop, but...?? > >>>>> > >>>> Why doesn't Windows come with Quicktime standard? Sure it's easy enough > >>>> to exe install Quicktime, but...?? > >>>> > >>>> Come on, is this really an issue for you? > >>>> > >>>>> 4. K12LTSP on Pentium I & II / 10 Mbps networks -- slow and unusable! > >>>>> I see lots of people talking about using old hardware with K12LTSP but > >>>>> I'm only getting acceptable performance from PIII/500+ MHz 100 Mbps > >>>>> NIC, and this seems to me to be a minimum hardware requirement. Even > >>>>> then, something like Celestia crawls compared to the way it does with > >>>>> a local hard drive installation. Any tips? Am I missing something? > >>>> I have a PI client, 64 MB RAM and a 2MB RAM Sis Video card. Not the > >>>> fastest of my clients, but for email, web, abiword, solitaire, and it > >>>> does just as well as the others. Now I am useing IceWM and ROX and not > >>>> Gnome/KDE but that is more a user decision then a hardware decision. > >>>> > >>>> Another client is a 233MHz processor, 128MB RAM and a 4MB RAM video > >>>> card. Works just as well as my fastest client. That one is the same as > >>>> above, but has a 500MHz processor. > >>>> > >>>> Your real issue here is the network speed. You REALLY need to use > >>>> 100Mbps - 10 is just TOO slow. I've done it, and it works, but I would > >>>> not want to do it for a long time and with 20+ clients. (I did it as a > >>>> proof of concept with 1 off the shelf PC as the server, and 10 old PCs > >>>> as the clients. Then as we got the money, we did the various upgrades > >>>> needed. STARTING with the network backbone.) And if you are going to > >>>> have 20 clients, you need Gig at the switch. > >>>> > >>>> Have you tried Celestria on the PII as a native app (i.e. not LTSP). > >>>> I am pretty sure that 90% of distros out there on a PII or less will > >>>> choke. Believe me, I have tried. It talks a special distro to may > >>>> my PI work as a stand alone. > >>>> > >>>>> BTW, my Dell SC1425 server works fine so long as I don't use it as an > >>>>> X terminal itself... something to do with the video card, but I'm not > >>>>> worrying about it for now. > >>>>> > >>>>> ...and if any of this has been over-discussed already my apologies, > >>>>> please ignore or refer me off list to the right place for answers. > >>>>> > >>>>> Despite the hurdles I'm pretty interested and optimistic. It seems > >>>>> like an amazing project, though certainly NOT "easy and working, duh?" > >>>>> yet. > >>>> K12LTSP has to be one of the most "easy and working" distros I have > >>>> seen. (And I have worked with all of the big names, and many of the > >>>> little guys as well). But you have to come at it with the right > >>>> knowledge and equipment. Would you send an American football player > >>>> into an Australian Rules Football game? Nope. They are both football, > >>>> both sports, but each require a different set of knowledge and/or > >>>> special equipment. Same with the Windows World and the Linux world. > >>>> Both are OS's, both use i386 architecture, but they require a different > >>>> set of knowledge and/or special equipment. > >>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Tom Wolfe > >>>>> Morley, Alberta > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> K12OSN mailing list > >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>> For more info see > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> http://gentgeen.homelinux.org > >>>> > >>>> ############################################################# > >>>> Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > >>>> your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > >>>> company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> K12OSN mailing list > >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>> For more info see > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Robert Arkiletian > >> Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > >> Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > >> C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Nov 2 19:30:38 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:30:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Printer resetting In-Reply-To: <60218.74.38.37.29.1162432456.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <60218.74.38.37.29.1162432456.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: This rarely works. I have to actually use webmin, stop the schedular, empty /var/spool/cups, service restart cups and service restart smb and then it may work. Many times it doesn't unless I fool with it for a while. . . I actually haven't nailed it down to what actually does get it working again. Sometimes it will not work for one or two but the rest are fine. Sometimes they all work fine. Printers are just voodoo-science . . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist Classified Know-Nothing DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Doug, > > I have good luck simply doing a ,in a terminal, " service cups restart "( > as root). This seems to "revitalize" any stuck/zombied/braindead printer. > Also ,I like "pictures". Use "http://localhost:631" in your web browser > address bar, to get to your cups web GUI,and rifle through it and see what > appears to be "stopped".. This has helped me immensly,with printer hang > ups. > I'm sure there is a more concise way of viewing printer ques to be more > "scientific" about things,but i tend to get rough with things to get them > cured.:) > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Nov 2 19:37:20 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:37:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Homedir Permissions In-Reply-To: <4549C3D2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <4549C3D2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: How that happens is: A user is deleted using AD and then another user with the same name gets added. But the user's home directory was *not* automatically removed during the deletion of that other user so the new user gets the old user's home directory. Best thing to do it to always remember to delete or rename a user's home directory after you dselete the user. Been There. . . Done That! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist Classified Know-Nothing DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > I just noticed that there are quite a few homedirs with incoorect > owners assigned to them. /home/user1 has user2 as the owner, which > causes owner1 not able to log in. I have them authenticating against an > Active Directory win2k3 server. has anyone else had this problem? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mel at melwade.com Thu Nov 2 19:37:53 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:37:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Kerberos Message-ID: <43080f460611021137m1bbf3320x799ff795f20312db@mail.gmail.com> When trying to test my kerberos connection I get this response: kinit(v5): KDC reply did not match expectations while getting initial credentials Any ideas. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Nov 2 19:39:12 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:39:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Homedir Permissions In-Reply-To: <454A1C30.4080408@msad3.org> References: <4549C3D2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <454A1C30.4080408@msad3.org> Message-ID: Well, if we were speaking of samba, yes, when a user is deleted from linux it is not automatically deleted from samba as well. You have to take them out of the smbpasswd file manually (how I do it to be sure) and then set up a new user, even with the same username. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist Classified Know-Nothing DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Yes, > When I used two or more methods of entering usernames. I missed a setup step > of starting id number in the webmin ldap samba and that re-used ids already > assigned to other users, which, when they logged in put them in the wrong > directory. Also when I tried directory administrator, same kind of deal > happened. I found sticking to the command line is the best policy for me > personally. > Mark > > Daniel Kuecker wrote: >> I just noticed that there are quite a few homedirs with incoorect >> owners assigned to them. /home/user1 has user2 as the owner, which >> causes owner1 not able to log in. I have them authenticating against an >> Active Directory win2k3 server. has anyone else had this problem? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > -- > ?Mark Gumprecht > MSAD3 > Unity, Maine 04988 > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Nov 2 19:43:05 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:43:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Homedir Permissions In-Reply-To: <4549CF40.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <4549C3D2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <454A1C30.4080408@msad3.org> <4549CF40.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: The best way to add users if you want a GUI is to use webmin and tell it to sync unix and samba users. Also, you can tell it to convert unix users to samba users and it will do the ones that aren't done yet. But for me, I have written a script that adds users in one commandline and it adds them to linux, samba and also puts in their full name and sets both passwords (linux and samba) all from a single commandline. Works GREAT for me. You just must make sure there are no users in there with the same username as the one you are adding because my script doesn't check existence first. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist Classified Know-Nothing DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Thanks for the suggestions, but I do not create any users on the thin client. they authenticate from windows. the homedirs are created from mkhomedir. > >>>> Mark Gumprecht 11/02/06 10:26 AM >>> > Yes, > When I used two or more methods of entering usernames. I missed a setup > step of starting id number in the webmin ldap samba and that re-used ids > already assigned to other users, which, when they logged in put them in > the wrong directory. Also when I tried directory administrator, same > kind of deal happened. I found sticking to the command line is the best > policy for me personally. > Mark > > Daniel Kuecker wrote: >> I just noticed that there are quite a few homedirs with incoorect >> owners assigned to them. /home/user1 has user2 as the owner, which >> causes owner1 not able to log in. I have them authenticating against an >> Active Directory win2k3 server. has anyone else had this problem? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > -- > ?Mark Gumprecht > MSAD3 > Unity, Maine 04988 > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jwhite at codeweavers.com Thu Nov 2 20:08:30 2006 From: jwhite at codeweavers.com (Jeremy White) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:08:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district In-Reply-To: <1162494718.32001.22.camel@localhost> References: <1162494718.32001.22.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <454A503E.3070405@codeweavers.com> > Might they let you consider Smoothwall? > http://www.smoothwall.org/ Uh. Guys, I think you're missing the point. He *won*. It's going to cost him $1,000, and swallowing a perhaps stupid firewall requirement, but he got what he needed. Rocking the boat now would be dumb. He has to install a piece of equipment to give his IT folks warm fuzzies, and then they'll let him be. Once it's in and working, and they see how nice it is, then maybe he'll have some credibility, and maybe he can offer advice on firewalls. Of course, another $1.48 and you've got a cup of coffee... Cheers, Jeremy From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Nov 2 20:14:20 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:14:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kerberos In-Reply-To: <43080f460611021137m1bbf3320x799ff795f20312db@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611021137m1bbf3320x799ff795f20312db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061102151420.dbcsra097gg4c8s8@neatmail.unh.edu> Mel, Make sure that you have all of the information needed in krb.conf and that it is correct. Make sure your clocks are approximate (usually setting up NTP on Linux to go to your domain controller solves any timing issues). Also, are you trying to use authentication against a Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 Server? -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Quoting Mel Wade : > When trying to test my kerberos connection I get this response: > > kinit(v5): KDC reply did not match expectations while getting initial > credentials > > Any ideas. > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > www.melwade.com > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 2 20:31:52 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 12:31:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 BETA #3 Message-ID: <454A55B8.90105@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Where's BETA#2 you ask? I uploaded it yesterday, but noted a few small things I wanted to fix before announcing it. So here we are, BETA #3 ;-) >From an install perspective, this one should be pretty solid. I've done a fair amount of testing and am pretty confident that it should work as advertised. I have not done much testing on the various applications. I would especially love for people to test a variety of terminals. Please test this on a non-production server and let us know the good, the bad, and the ugly. Please do try this out and please do let me know how it went. Even a simple "no problems" is very helpful! NOTE: if you have BETA1 installed, there is a small "yum update" glitch that I'll fix real-soon-now (I'd do it right now, but I have to go catch a plane). The quick fix is to run this command before running "yum update": rpm -e --nodeps perl-Net_SSLeay BETA3 ISO images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ . BETA3 SO images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ . *untested* BETA3 DVD images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . *untested* BETA3 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ . -Eric From jeremy.schubert at cssd.ab.ca Thu Nov 2 21:14:25 2006 From: jeremy.schubert at cssd.ab.ca (Jeremy Schubert) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:14:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Automotive shop software Message-ID: <3BA2908BFE3D0843BCB549B66B40AC9103FC04B0@s096-a0801-02.admin.cssd.ab.ca> On our school's Windoze network we use a program called Mitchell OnDemand for our mechanics program. Basically, the program feeds the students details of how to fix various vehicles. Does anyone know of a Linux based program like that? Jeremy Schubert Cell: 403-510-2872 Voice: 403-252-7541 (Ext 392) Fax: 403-640-0116 jeremy.schubert at cssd.ab.ca Proud member of the Grandin IT Team If we're not on time, we're late. (And no, we're never early!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samps at unplugd.com Thu Nov 2 22:21:20 2006 From: samps at unplugd.com (Samps) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:51:20 +1030 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 BETA #3 In-Reply-To: <454A55B8.90105@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <454A55B8.90105@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200611030851.20902.samps@unplugd.com> On Friday 03 November 2006 07:01, Eric Harrison wrote: > Where's BETA#2 you ask? Eric, I noticed that beta 1 discs were named like: K12LTSP-6.0.0-BETA1-disc1.iso beta 2 had a slightly longer name: K12LTSP-6.0.0-32bit-BETA2-disc1.iso and beta 3 is a variation of the l;ast one: K12LTSP-6.0.0-BETA3-32bit-disc1.iso Is there any reason for changing the naming convention between the betas? I'm not criticising you for doing it, I am just curious why...? thanks for your hard work Samps From codezilla at email.com Thu Nov 2 22:29:31 2006 From: codezilla at email.com (Patrick Haggood) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:29:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Meeting with district In-Reply-To: <454A503E.3070405@codeweavers.com> References: <1162494718.32001.22.camel@localhost> <454A503E.3070405@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: <1162506571.32001.25.camel@localhost> Duh. Of course you're right. (climbing off soapbox, tossing rotton tomatoes into nearest trash can and "The End Is Near" sign into recycle bin) On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 14:08 -0600, Jeremy White wrote: > > Might they let you consider Smoothwall? > > http://www.smoothwall.org/ > > Uh. Guys, I think you're missing the point. > He *won*. It's going to cost him $1,000, and swallowing > a perhaps stupid firewall requirement, but he got what he needed. From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 23:55:38 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:55:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] is sabayon an active project? Message-ID: <2be970b50611021555q47db72a6ke2eb3b9d8ea4c2a3@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Does anyone know if Sabayon is under active development? The Sabayon list looks pretty slow. Most of the stuff I see online is at 15-24 months old. I am especially interested in good documentation of Sabayon as it currently exists. If this isn't a viable project for configuring default user profiles under GDM what else would folks suggest? Here's what I have found so far for Sabayon: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/sabayon http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/ Thanks! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jones.yeates at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 00:04:13 2006 From: jones.yeates at gmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:04:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a remote mail server and letting apache have access to it Message-ID: <7739b50611021604k60458f59x240afff502b450e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I apologize if this is the wrong place to be asking this. I've been searching on the web for answers and I can't seem to find any. A friend told me about this list serve and thought I'd give it a try. I had php,mysql and apache running on a Windows box last year and I have just changed it to a Linux box this year. 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I'm looking for something easy to setup and maintain, is smbldap installer right for me, or am I better off rolling my own, disabling roaming profiles, or using them and only selectively adding windows boxes to that "domain"? Any wisdom? Thanks in advance, Ben Nickell Systems Administrator Idaho State University From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 3 02:31:00 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 18:31:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061103023100.72530.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Tom Wolfe wrote: > Right now my decision is going to hinge on whether I > can get Firefox to > work smoothly with sites like http://cbc.ca. I'll > give MPlayer a shot > first. You should consider the fact that if for instance 10 websites you deem "necessary" only work with Windows, then those 10 websites are costing you $XXXX.XX (however much money it would cost you to implement a Windows solution). Perhaps a written complaint to those websites would be in order... -Rob ____________________________________________________________________________________ Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Nov 3 03:21:07 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 23:21:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: <454A013E.1070905@maltzen.net> References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> <45494044.4020008@rogers.com> <454A013E.1070905@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <454AB5A3.9040806@rogers.com> Petre Scheie wrote: > Hey Tim, > 1. Can you (or anyone else) elaborate on how you get PXE to download and > run Etherboot? I've got some machines that have PXE, but, as you say, > they won't boot. I have attached the group that I added to the my dhcpd.conf. The sis.pxe file is an Etherboot driver that has been compiled as a pxe image. On http://www.romomatic.net choose PXE as the output format. > 2. How do you use the 3c905c as an eprom programmer? I assume you load > a full linux on the host system and run some sort of utility? I have also attached a README from etherboot/etherboot-5.4/contrib/3c90xutil/README There are probably more details on the Etherboot site... TIm -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: pxe URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: README URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 3 03:41:42 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 21:41:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a remote mail server and letting apache have access to it In-Reply-To: <7739b50611021604k60458f59x240afff502b450e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7739b50611021604k60458f59x240afff502b450e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1162525302.3284.91.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 18:04, jones yeates wrote: > Hi, > > I apologize if this is the wrong place to be asking this. I've been > searching on the web for answers and I can't seem to find any. A > friend told me about this list serve and thought I'd give it a try. > > I had php,mysql and apache running on a Windows box last year and I > have just changed it to a Linux box this year. Everything works > except for my abiity to send mail that I have generated through my php > script. > > I do not want my Linux server to act as a mail server. There is one > in my school board and I would like to just send mail through there. > I noticed that in Linux I have to send it to a program that will > re-route the message appropriately. I was also able to have a > different domain name appear in the e-mail's subject section, so that > the kids could not track it back to my server. > > So basically what I would like is: > - send e-mails through php/apache > - not have the server's domain name appear in the "from" part of the > e-mail or even in the subject > - have a different domain name appear in the e-mail message > - just relay all messages to the school board's mail server > - I don't want to use the mail server feature on my server other than > to forward e-mails to the school board's mail server > > I have installed Fedora Core 5 > - php 5.1.4 > - mysql 5.0.22 > - apache 2.2.2 > - sendmail > > I have entered: define('confTRUSTED_USERS','apache'); into the > sendmail.mc file and tried to do a make -C /etc/mail and it doesn't > seem to work. If it is working there is a huge delay (for days). > > I can get mail or mailx to send messages but not through apache. > > Does anyone know how to set this up? If you set: define(`SMART_HOST',`your.forwarding.server') in sendmail.mc it will forward outbound messages through the designated server, and MASQUERADE_AS(`host.domain') will rewrite the headers on outbound mail to the specified name. You should be able to see the messages logged in /var/log/maillog - if the web app is handing them to sendmail. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 04:05:05 2006 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:05:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] One user gets sound -- rest do not? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I hope everyone is doing well. In my struggle to get sound working in our lab, I noticed that the issue is no longer that of hardware (since we've got many identical machines) but that of users. I have one specific user who can get sound to work fine. But another user on the same machine get no sound. I've looked at their settings as best I could (through webmin and by using the id username command, and they are identical. But clearly there is a difference. What could it be?? I'm using K12LTSP based on FC3 Thank you Joseph From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 3 04:07:57 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:07:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: <454A013E.1070905@maltzen.net> References: <200611010225.kA12PCnS001707@mx1.redhat.com> <45494044.4020008@rogers.com> <454A013E.1070905@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1162526876.3284.95.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 08:31, Petre Scheie wrote: > Hey Tim, > 1. Can you (or anyone else) elaborate on how you get PXE to download and run Etherboot? > I've got some machines that have PXE, but, as you say, they won't boot. Older machines may have bugs in the bios - see if there is an update available. Dell is particularly good about keeping them online for older boxes. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mel at melwade.com Fri Nov 3 06:43:23 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:43:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Share as Linux Home Folder Message-ID: <43080f460611022243v5f9f5e2aje73b7ef41e4de056@mail.gmail.com> I have my K12LTSP Authenticating with my AD. Now I need the Linux Home Folder to be mapped to their windows home folder. Any late night pointers? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joshua Chessman Network Manager M.S.A.D. #61 jchessman at sad61.k12.me.us From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Fri Nov 3 14:53:57 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:53:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] One user gets sound -- rest do not? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061103095357.1ddfa5c0@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:05:05 -0500 "Joseph Bishay" wrote: > Hello, > > I hope everyone is doing well. > > In my struggle to get sound working in our lab, I noticed that the > issue is no longer that of hardware (since we've got many identical > machines) but that of users. > > I have one specific user who can get sound to work fine. But another > user on the same machine get no sound. > > I've looked at their settings as best I could (through webmin and by > using the id username command, and they are identical. But clearly > there is a difference. What could it be?? > > I'm using K12LTSP based on FC3 > EASY FIX: Are all users in the right group? HARDER FIX: Does it work if you power down the system before the new user logs in? I have an issue with my LTSP install that goes like this: A) User 1 logs in -- Sound is OK B) User 1 logs out | | ------------------------ | | User 2 logs in User 1 logs in again | | No Sound Sound Powering down and giving the user a "clean" login away works. I have tried and tried to fix it, but spent more time then it was worth to me. So now I just live with it. If this is your case, search the K12LTSP and the LTSP lists for my email address to see what others suggested. -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 15:04:26 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:04:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Laptop query In-Reply-To: <454B160F.4010308@sancharnet.in> References: <454B160F.4010308@sancharnet.in> Message-ID: <200611031104.26483.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Hi all. This is a bit off-topic, but I am considering giving myself an early Xmas present: a new laptop. I will be running Fedora Core on it and will be getting enough RAM to act as an LTSP server for *demonstrations* only. For serveral reasons (one of which is on-island support) I have tenetively settled on the Dell Inspiron e1505. My criteria are: - reasonable cost - driver support in Fedora Core (including wifi with Intel Pro) My questions are these: does anyone out there have experience running Linux on this box? If so, which video card are you using (Intel 950 , ATI Mobility, or nVidia Geforce)? I am not overly concerned with video speed, just compatibility with x.org and being able to run full resolution and color depth with stability. I am more concerned with saving money. I want to avoid the nVidia binary driver too. I have been very happy with my old Gateway Solo 9300 running Fedora Core 5, but it is getting long in the tooth and doesn't have the horsepower for the role I want this new laptop to play. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From nhamilton at tcse.us Fri Nov 3 14:58:42 2006 From: nhamilton at tcse.us (Nathan Hamilton) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:58:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] new lab Message-ID: <05EAEBE39866FB479CF6C5FF88B144E515B27F@pandora.Tricounty.local> I have recently inherited a new Lab that had been set up with LTSP - v4.1. I have been informed that some of the applications wouldn't open on the workstations. I went to check it out and noticed that it wasn't that they weren't opening but they were opening up on the server as opposed to the workstation. I even had an instance where an app. Opened on the server would pop up over on one of the workstations. I'm extremely new to this type of setup and have been reading and reading for some help on this. Any suggestions on what I should check out and/or change to help resolve this issue?? Thanks so much!! Nathan J. Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jahnigl at hotmail.com Fri Nov 3 15:00:55 2006 From: jahnigl at hotmail.com (Lance Jahnig) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 09:00:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync K12LTSP repository In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From: "Joshua Chessman" >Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: [K12OSN] rsync K12LTSP repository >Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 09:48:27 -0500 > >Greetings All- > >I have four LTSP servers running in my district and instead of sending >each one out to update from the Internet I'd like to create a local >repository. I've been trying to rsync the data down from >http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/ to no avail. Does >anyone have any hints they can pass along? > >Thanks! > >"Those who say it can't be done should not interrupt those who are busy >doing it!" > >Joshua Chessman >Network Manager >M.S.A.D. #61 >jchessman at sad61.k12.me.us > This is the script that I use. #!/bin/sh DATE=`/bin/date +%Y-%m-%d` OUTDIR='/tmp' MIRROR=/var/ftp/k12ltsp-5.0.0 [ -d $OUTDIR ] || mkdir -p $OUTDIR OUTFILE=$OUTDIR/mirrior-output-$DATE.txt /bin/nice /usr/bin/rsync --verbose --progress --stats --archive --partial --delete --exclude iso/ k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit-all/ $MIRROR >> $OUTFILE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And a local.repo file that looks like this. [local] name=local baseurl=ftp://INTERNAL.SERVER/k12ltsp-5.0.0 gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 3 15:55:44 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 09:55:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a remote mail server and letting apache have access to it In-Reply-To: <1162525302.3284.91.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <7739b50611021604k60458f59x240afff502b450e@mail.gmail.com> <1162525302.3284.91.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <454B6680.3030104@maltzen.net> You can also test your sendmail configuration by sending messages via sendmail from the command line: /usr/lib/sendmail -v person at somehost.com Subject: testing sendmail Put the body of your message here. To send the message, put a dot (a period) on a line by itself, like the one that follows this line. . You'll see sendmail forward the message to itself, and then you can check the log to see if it's forwarding it to your SMARTHOST. Send the message to yourself at an outside address to see what actually ends up in the message. Petre Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 18:04, jones yeates wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I apologize if this is the wrong place to be asking this. I've been >> searching on the web for answers and I can't seem to find any. A >> friend told me about this list serve and thought I'd give it a try. >> >> I had php,mysql and apache running on a Windows box last year and I >> have just changed it to a Linux box this year. Everything works >> except for my abiity to send mail that I have generated through my php >> script. >> >> I do not want my Linux server to act as a mail server. There is one >> in my school board and I would like to just send mail through there. >> I noticed that in Linux I have to send it to a program that will >> re-route the message appropriately. I was also able to have a >> different domain name appear in the e-mail's subject section, so that >> the kids could not track it back to my server. >> >> So basically what I would like is: >> - send e-mails through php/apache >> - not have the server's domain name appear in the "from" part of the >> e-mail or even in the subject >> - have a different domain name appear in the e-mail message >> - just relay all messages to the school board's mail server >> - I don't want to use the mail server feature on my server other than >> to forward e-mails to the school board's mail server >> >> I have installed Fedora Core 5 >> - php 5.1.4 >> - mysql 5.0.22 >> - apache 2.2.2 >> - sendmail >> >> I have entered: define('confTRUSTED_USERS','apache'); into the >> sendmail.mc file and tried to do a make -C /etc/mail and it doesn't >> seem to work. If it is working there is a huge delay (for days). >> >> I can get mail or mailx to send messages but not through apache. >> >> Does anyone know how to set this up? > > If you set: > define(`SMART_HOST',`your.forwarding.server') > in sendmail.mc it will forward outbound messages through > the designated server, and > MASQUERADE_AS(`host.domain') > will rewrite the headers on outbound mail to the > specified name. > > You should be able to see the messages logged in > /var/log/maillog - if the web app is handing them to > sendmail. > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 3 16:11:59 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 08:11:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Laptop query In-Reply-To: <200611031104.26483.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <454B160F.4010308@sancharnet.in> <200611031104.26483.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <454B6A4F.60604@mesd.k12.or.us> John Lucas wrote: > My questions are these: does anyone out there have experience running Linux on > this box? If so, which video card are you using (Intel 950 , ATI Mobility, or > nVidia Geforce)? Intel is the only option for fully-functional free drivers. See: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ P.S. When you want to start a new topic, send a new message to k12osn at redhat.com rather than replying to a another message and changing the subject line. Threaded mail readers think you're still talking about biometrics. Thanks! -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 16:15:38 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:15:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Share as Linux Home Folder In-Reply-To: <43080f460611022243v5f9f5e2aje73b7ef41e4de056@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611022243v5f9f5e2aje73b7ef41e4de056@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50611030815y49281f8alcb52382221a33946@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mel, Consider looking into pam_mount. There's some good howto's out there. See if the pam_mount section on this link helps: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fit_Linux_into_Active_Directory John On 11/2/06, Mel Wade wrote: > > I have my K12LTSP Authenticating with my AD. Now I need the Linux Home > Folder to be mapped to their windows home folder. Any late night pointers? > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > www.melwade.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 3 16:32:15 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:32:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Pavillion Message-ID: <454B6F0F.5030706@maltzen.net> Is anyone using a recent model HP Pavillion for a server? We're looking at buying a bunch of a1600n models for use as classroom K12LTSP servers. My two concerns are the ethernet chip and the SATA controller and disk. I ask because last year I bought a Compaq (forget the model) for use as a K12LTSP 4.2 server for a small office. It had a Marvel ethernet chip and SATA, but during the installation Fedora (Core 4) couldn't see the ethernet port and I had a dickens of a time getting it to see the SATA drive (I'm not even sure I did get the drive working). I ended up taking it back, and after a shouting match with the store manager, got them to give me full credit, that is, no restocking fee, toward building my own box. Normally, I do build my own, but in this case, brand-name hardware will make acceptance easier. I'm hoping that FC5-based K12LTSP 5 will have better luck. (I've noticed Ubuntu usually does not work with the wireless chip on the latest Compaq laptops.) I plan to go to Best Buy and run the FC5 Live CD in the Pavillion, but if anyone is already running this or a similar system, it would be reassuring. Petre From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 3 16:34:15 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 08:34:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync K12LTSP repository In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454B6F87.4030300@mesd.k12.or.us> Joshua Chessman wrote: > I have four LTSP servers running in my district and instead of sending > each one out to update from the Internet I'd like to create a local > repository. I've been trying to rsync the data down from > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/ to no avail. Does > anyone have any hints they can pass along? Lance included a nice script in his reply. I just wanted to note that you can always browse the rsync repositories with: rsync rsync://k12ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us and then drill down further: rsync rsync://k12ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit-all/ rsync rsync://k12ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit-all/i386/ etc... -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Fri Nov 3 16:49:16 2006 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:49:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer resetting In-Reply-To: <60218.74.38.37.29.1162432456.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <60218.74.38.37.29.1162432456.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <454B730C.606@mail.sumner.k12.me.us> Great link to local host - didn't know it existed. Just reading the boards for tidbits of information like this has helped me many times. Thanks!!! Larry cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Doug, > > I have good luck simply doing a ,in a terminal, " service cups restart "( > as root). This seems to "revitalize" any stuck/zombied/braindead printer. > Also ,I like "pictures". Use "http://localhost:631" in your web browser > address bar, to get to your cups web GUI,and rifle through it and see what > appears to be "stopped".. This has helped me immensly,with printer hang > ups. > I'm sure there is a more concise way of viewing printer ques to be more > "scientific" about things,but i tend to get rough with things to get them > cured.:) > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jones.yeates at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 17:34:39 2006 From: jones.yeates at gmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:34:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a remote mail server and letting apache have access to it In-Reply-To: <1162525302.3284.91.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <7739b50611021604k60458f59x240afff502b450e@mail.gmail.com> <1162525302.3284.91.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <7739b50611030934h3b4c2696j243df40058bfc264@mail.gmail.com> I've tried the MASQUERADE_AS(`host.domain') before and I tried again and it still comes up with the server domain name in the from section. I also tried making the following changes in sendmail.mc: - changed: dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(mydomainalias.com)dnl to: MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(host.domain)dnl - changed: dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl to: FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl The result is still the same. I can see the server name in the from address. I don't know if it matters, but I have the /etc/hosts file where I put the ip address of the server and the name of the server. Should that be changed or removed from that file? I also tried the mail -s subject -v dest_email at address and the masquerade name does not show up at all. I have been doing the make -C /etc/mail every time I make a change. (Just in case you thought I forgot to do that.) Also, I don't know how to get it to trust apache. I've been doing all of my tests at the command line. I still can't mail through apache. ---------------------------- On 11/2/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 18:04, jones yeates wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I apologize if this is the wrong place to be asking this. I've been > > searching on the web for answers and I can't seem to find any. A > > friend told me about this list serve and thought I'd give it a try. > > > > I had php,mysql and apache running on a Windows box last year and I > > have just changed it to a Linux box this year. Everything works > > except for my abiity to send mail that I have generated through my php > > script. > > > > I do not want my Linux server to act as a mail server. There is one > > in my school board and I would like to just send mail through there. > > I noticed that in Linux I have to send it to a program that will > > re-route the message appropriately. I was also able to have a > > different domain name appear in the e-mail's subject section, so that > > the kids could not track it back to my server. > > > > So basically what I would like is: > > - send e-mails through php/apache > > - not have the server's domain name appear in the "from" part of the > > e-mail or even in the subject > > - have a different domain name appear in the e-mail message > > - just relay all messages to the school board's mail server > > - I don't want to use the mail server feature on my server other than > > to forward e-mails to the school board's mail server > > > > I have installed Fedora Core 5 > > - php 5.1.4 > > - mysql 5.0.22 > > - apache 2.2.2 > > - sendmail > > > > I have entered: define('confTRUSTED_USERS','apache'); into the > > sendmail.mc file and tried to do a make -C /etc/mail and it doesn't > > seem to work. 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Thanks so much!! > Sounds very strange. My advice. Re-install the latest k12ltsp from scratch. You will learn more and feel more comfortable with the setup. It's really not that hard. Follow the instructions here http://k12ltsp.org/clients.html for booting the clients. As long as you have 2 nics in the server and can figure out which is eth0 and eth1 your okay. Everything should just work. Nathan J. Hamilton > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any suggestions on what I should check out > and/or change to help resolve this issue?? Thanks so much!! Any chance the same user account is being used on all of those logins? This will not work right on the GNOME desktop (and probably on others). -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From maggardcomputing at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 18:53:14 2006 From: maggardcomputing at gmail.com (Shawn Maggard) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 12:53:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting from Windows Message-ID: <27c92d660611031053h619beb2fmef6324ae7310ba1f@mail.gmail.com> Hi. I was wondering if it would be possible to setup a ltsp server, and have clients on the same LAN use a Windows client to access the terminal, like nxclient. The goal here would be that a classroom already full of Windows 98/2000 machines could stay the way they are and just sort of run a "trial" period with k12ltsp, and keep all original documents and apps they are already using in Winders. 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I was wondering if it would be possible to setup a ltsp server, and have > clients on the same LAN use a Windows client to access the terminal, like > nxclient. The goal here would be that a classroom already full of Windows > 98/2000 machines could stay the way they are and just sort of run a "trial" > period with k12ltsp, and keep all original documents and apps they are > already using in Winders. Would nxclient be the way you would set this up or > is there a better way? > > Thanks! > > Shawn > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Nov 3 19:15:31 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:15:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting from Windows In-Reply-To: References: <27c92d660611031053h619beb2fmef6324ae7310ba1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <454B9553.5050201@paasda.org> Yes you could do something like that with NXclient... so they could experience the Linux side of Life on their Microsoft machines. --Huck From maggardcomputing at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 19:25:37 2006 From: maggardcomputing at gmail.com (Shawn Maggard) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 14:25:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting from Windows In-Reply-To: <454B9553.5050201@paasda.org> References: <27c92d660611031053h619beb2fmef6324ae7310ba1f@mail.gmail.com> <454B9553.5050201@paasda.org> Message-ID: <27c92d660611031125w56db9b9cqd5e3e54fed53dfa@mail.gmail.com> I think nxclient is the way to go for now, since this would be soley introducing the linux desktop into the classroom. That way everything still works with Windows how it did before and there aren't any problems :D Shawn On 11/3/06, Huck wrote: > > Yes you could do something like that with NXclient... > so they could experience the Linux side of Life on their Microsoft > machines. > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I needed to "compile"? the mc file by doing a m4 /usr/share/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf (I was compiling it by doing: mail -C /etc/mail/) I checked the /var/log/maillog file and got this error when I tried to e-mail through apache: Nov 3 11:34:36 serverName sendmail[8338]: My unqualified host name (serverName) unknown; sleeping for retry I don't understand why its unqualified. It is listed as a trusted user. I still can't get the masquerade to work. ------------------------------------------------ On 11/3/06, jones yeates wrote: > > I've tried the MASQUERADE_AS(`host.domain') before and I tried again and > it still comes up with the server domain name in the from section. I also > tried making the following changes in sendmail.mc : > > - changed: dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(mydomainalias.com)dnl > to: MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(host.domain)dnl > - changed: dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl > to: FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl > > The result is still the same. I can see the server name in the from > address. > > I don't know if it matters, but I have the /etc/hosts file where I put the > ip address of the server and the name of the server. Should that be changed > or removed from that file? > > I also tried the mail -s subject -v dest_email at address and the masquerade > name does not show up at all. > > I have been doing the make -C /etc/mail every time I make a change. (Just > in case you thought I forgot to do that.) > > Also, I don't know how to get it to trust apache. I've been doing all of > my tests at the command line. I still can't mail through apache. > > ---------------------------- > > On 11/2/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 18:04, jones yeates wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I apologize if this is the wrong place to be asking this. I've been > > > searching on the web for answers and I can't seem to find any. A > > > friend told me about this list serve and thought I'd give it a try. > > > > > > I had php,mysql and apache running on a Windows box last year and I > > > have just changed it to a Linux box this year. Everything works > > > except for my abiity to send mail that I have generated through my php > > > script. > > > > > > I do not want my Linux server to act as a mail server. There is one > > > in my school board and I would like to just send mail through there. > > > I noticed that in Linux I have to send it to a program that will > > > re-route the message appropriately. I was also able to have a > > > different domain name appear in the e-mail's subject section, so that > > > the kids could not track it back to my server. > > > > > > So basically what I would like is: > > > - send e-mails through php/apache > > > - not have the server's domain name appear in the "from" part of the > > > e-mail or even in the subject > > > - have a different domain name appear in the e-mail message > > > - just relay all messages to the school board's mail server > > > - I don't want to use the mail server feature on my server other than > > > to forward e-mails to the school board's mail server > > > > > > I have installed Fedora Core 5 > > > - php 5.1.4 > > > - mysql 5.0.22 > > > - apache 2.2.2 > > > - sendmail > > > > > > I have entered: define('confTRUSTED_USERS','apache'); into the > > > sendmail.mc file and tried to do a make -C /etc/mail and it doesn't > > > seem to work. If it is working there is a huge delay (for days). > > > > > > I can get mail or mailx to send messages but not through apache. > > > > > > Does anyone know how to set this up? > > > > If you set: > > define(`SMART_HOST',`your.forwarding.server') > > in sendmail.mc it will forward outbound messages through > > the designated server, and > > MASQUERADE_AS(`host.domain') > > will rewrite the headers on outbound mail to the > > specified name. > > > > You should be able to see the messages logged in > > /var/log/maillog - if the web app is handing them to > > sendmail. > > > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But another > > user on the same machine get no sound. > > > > I've looked at their settings as best I could (through webmin and by > > using the id username command, and they are identical. But clearly > > there is a difference. What could it be?? > > > > I'm using K12LTSP based on FC3 > > > > EASY FIX: Are all users in the right group? > > HARDER FIX: > > Does it work if you power down the system before the new user logs in? > > I have an issue with my LTSP install that goes like this: > > A) User 1 logs in -- Sound is OK > B) User 1 logs out > | > | > ------------------------ > | | > User 2 logs in User 1 logs in again > | | > No Sound Sound > > > Powering down and giving the user a "clean" login away works. > > I have tried and tried to fix it, but spent more time then it was worth > to me. 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I'll > > give MPlayer a shot > > first. > > > You should consider the fact that if for instance 10 > websites you deem "necessary" only work with Windows, > then those 10 websites are costing you $XXXX.XX > (however much money it would cost you to implement a > Windows solution). Perhaps a written complaint to > those websites would be in order... > > -Rob From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 22:21:41 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 14:21:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu/LTSP 4.2 how to configure sound for ntavo 6020 ? Message-ID: <2be970b50611031421l6bd74036s5901b530b28cc128@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I built LTSP from source by grabbing the tarball from ltsp.org. I am testing LTSP 4.2 with an Ntavo 6020. I am trying to get sound working and wonder if anyone can help me figure this out? Seems like some folks have this working out of the box and I wonder what I am doing wrong. Here's my lts.conf [Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.254 XSERVER = auto X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USE_XFS = N SCREEN_01 = startx SOUND = Y VOLUME = 75 Thanks for any help you can give! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maggardcomputing at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 22:54:35 2006 From: maggardcomputing at gmail.com (Shawn Maggard) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 14:54:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Installation issues Message-ID: <27c92d660611031454j4aa9187cp4777c8f8c47888b8@mail.gmail.com> Ok, I have downloaded all 6 iso files and burned them off. I started the installer and it said something about a missing file and rebooted, then I got to the GUI and thought it was just a glitch. But, it would hang on certain things along the install screens (needing a restart) and the farthest I have got is where it says "checking dependencies on selected packages." I have re-burned the 1st iso to make sure it wasn't a bad cd or burn, but I keep getting stuck at 72% of the dependencies thing, even in the text-based install. Mobo is a Soyo Dragon and video is FX5200 I believe. Any thoughts or suggestions would be helpful.. am I right in thinking maybe I should re-download the 1st iso? Thanks, Shawn BTW when it first comes up saying checking dependencies, it stays at 2% for about 20 minutes, then continues again and stops at 72%, and after about 25 minutes the cd-rom spins up again and reads, but it stops again and stays at 72%... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tapache finally shows up in > the sendmail.cf file. I needed to "compile"? the mc file by doing a > > m4 /usr/share/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf > > (I was compiling it by doing: mail -C /etc/mail/) > > I checked the /var/log/maillog file and got this error when I tried to > e-mail through apache: > > Nov 3 11:34:36 serverName sendmail[8338]: My unqualified host name > (serverName) unknown; sleeping for retry > > I don't understand why its unqualified. It is listed as a trusted user. > I still can't get the masquerade to work. > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > On 11/3/06, jones yeates wrote: > > > > I've tried the MASQUERADE_AS(`host.domain') before and I tried again and > > it still comes up with the server domain name in the from section. I also > > tried making the following changes in sendmail.mc : > > > > - changed: dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(mydomainalias.com)dnl > > to: MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(host.domain )dnl > > - changed: dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl > > to: FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl > > > > The result is still the same. I can see the server name in the from > > address. > > > > I don't know if it matters, but I have the /etc/hosts file where I put > > the ip address of the server and the name of the server. Should that be > > changed or removed from that file? > > > > I also tried the mail -s subject -v dest_email at address and the > > masquerade name does not show up at all. > > > > I have been doing the make -C /etc/mail every time I make a change. > > (Just in case you thought I forgot to do that.) > > > > Also, I don't know how to get it to trust apache. I've been doing all > > of my tests at the command line. I still can't mail through apache. > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > On 11/2/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 18:04, jones yeates wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I apologize if this is the wrong place to be asking this. I've been > > > > searching on the web for answers and I can't seem to find any. A > > > > friend told me about this list serve and thought I'd give it a try. > > > > > > > > I had php,mysql and apache running on a Windows box last year and I > > > > have just changed it to a Linux box this year. Everything works > > > > except for my abiity to send mail that I have generated through my > > > php > > > > script. > > > > > > > > I do not want my Linux server to act as a mail server. There is one > > > > in my school board and I would like to just send mail through there. > > > > > > > I noticed that in Linux I have to send it to a program that will > > > > re-route the message appropriately. I was also able to have a > > > > different domain name appear in the e-mail's subject section, so > > > that > > > > the kids could not track it back to my server. > > > > > > > > So basically what I would like is: > > > > - send e-mails through php/apache > > > > - not have the server's domain name appear in the "from" part of the > > > > > > > e-mail or even in the subject > > > > - have a different domain name appear in the e-mail message > > > > - just relay all messages to the school board's mail server > > > > - I don't want to use the mail server feature on my server other > > > than > > > > to forward e-mails to the school board's mail server > > > > > > > > I have installed Fedora Core 5 > > > > - php 5.1.4 > > > > - mysql 5.0.22 > > > > - apache 2.2.2 > > > > - sendmail > > > > > > > > I have entered: define('confTRUSTED_USERS','apache'); into the > > > > sendmail.mc file and tried to do a make -C /etc/mail and it doesn't > > > > seem to work. If it is working there is a huge delay (for days). > > > > > > > > I can get mail or mailx to send messages but not through apache. > > > > > > > > Does anyone know how to set this up? > > > > > > If you set: > > > define(`SMART_HOST',`your.forwarding.server') > > > in sendmail.mc it will forward outbound messages through > > > the designated server, and > > > MASQUERADE_AS(`host.domain') > > > will rewrite the headers on outbound mail to the > > > specified name. > > > > > > You should be able to see the messages logged in > > > /var/log/maillog - if the web app is handing them to > > > sendmail. > > > > > > -- > > > Les Mikesell > > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From petre at maltzen.net Sat Nov 4 02:31:44 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:31:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Installation issues In-Reply-To: <27c92d660611031454j4aa9187cp4777c8f8c47888b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <27c92d660611031454j4aa9187cp4777c8f8c47888b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <454BFB90.5060007@maltzen.net> Check the md5sum on the iso files before you go to the trouble of downloading them again. That is, at a prompt, type md5sum k12ltsp-5.0-disc1.iso (or whatever the iso file name is.) It will take several seconds, but then spit back a number; compare that number to the one listed in the MD5sum file on the download page. Petre Shawn Maggard wrote: > Ok, I have downloaded all 6 iso files and burned them off. I started the > installer and it said something about a missing file and rebooted, then > I got to the GUI and thought it was just a glitch. But, it would hang > on certain things along the install screens (needing a restart) and the > farthest I have got is where it says "checking dependencies on selected > packages." I have re-burned the 1st iso to make sure it wasn't a bad cd > or burn, but I keep getting stuck at 72% of the dependencies thing, even > in the text-based install. > > Mobo is a Soyo Dragon and video is FX5200 I believe. > > Any thoughts or suggestions would be helpful.. am I right in thinking > maybe I should re-download the 1st iso? > > Thanks, > Shawn > > BTW when it first comes up saying checking dependencies, it stays at 2% > for about 20 minutes, then continues again and stops at 72%, and after > about 25 minutes the cd-rom spins up again and reads, but it stops again > and stays at 72%... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From twolfe at sawback.com Sat Nov 4 02:36:59 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 21:36:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP missing some important stuff for our school purposes In-Reply-To: <1162571616.6208.13.camel@tobryan1-desktop> References: <20061103023100.72530.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1162571616.6208.13.camel@tobryan1-desktop> Message-ID: More than tax "supported", it's Canada's national broadcaster. The fact that they provide two ogg streams (vs dozens of wma) shows that at least someone there is aware of the issue. Calling an MP is a good idea, Tom On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > Isn't the CBC tax-supported, at least partially? Seems like they should > be required to provide content in open-source formats when available. > > Maybe a call to your MP is in order. > > Todd > > On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 18:31 -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > > --- Tom Wolfe wrote: > > > > > Right now my decision is going to hinge on whether I > > > can get Firefox to > > > work smoothly with sites like http://cbc.ca. I'll > > > give MPlayer a shot > > > first. > > > > > > You should consider the fact that if for instance 10 > > websites you deem "necessary" only work with Windows, > > then those 10 websites are costing you $XXXX.XX > > (however much money it would cost you to implement a > > Windows solution). Perhaps a written complaint to > > those websites would be in order... > > > > -Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Sat Nov 4 03:10:14 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:10:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a remote mail server and letting apache have access to it In-Reply-To: <7739b50611031141u4837107fi1eb5328844a0354@mail.gmail.com> References: <7739b50611021604k60458f59x240afff502b450e@mail.gmail.com> <1162525302.3284.91.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611030934h3b4c2696j243df40058bfc264@mail.gmail.com> <7739b50611031141u4837107fi1eb5328844a0354@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1162609813.6121.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 13:41, jones yeates wrote: > I finally got the trusted user thing to work. Tapache finally shows > up in the sendmail.cf file. I needed to "compile"? the mc file by > doing a > > m4 /usr/share/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf > > (I was compiling it by doing: mail -C /etc/mail/) All you should have to do is: service sendmail restart or 'make' in the /etc/mail directory (which is automatically done by the init script when sendmail starts. > I checked the /var/log/maillog file and got this error when I tried to > e-mail through apache: > > Nov 3 11:34:36 serverName sendmail[8338]: My unqualified host name > (serverName) unknown; sleeping for retry > > I don't understand why its unqualified. It is listed as a trusted > user. > I still can't get the masquerade to work. Sendmail can't resolve your machine's name in DNS. Set your hostname to a fully qualified domain name or specify the name, or if that can't be done, use define(`confDOMAIN_NAME',`')dnl This has nothing to do with trusted users, which are allowed to specify a From: other than themselves without having a Sender: line inserted. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From maggardcomputing at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 03:25:21 2006 From: maggardcomputing at gmail.com (Shawn Maggard) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 21:25:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Installation issues In-Reply-To: <454BFB90.5060007@maltzen.net> References: <27c92d660611031454j4aa9187cp4777c8f8c47888b8@mail.gmail.com> <454BFB90.5060007@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <27c92d660611031925w9ee8263pdf2e0758a7fae275@mail.gmail.com> Well, I'm not sure what happened, but the md5sums were correct and I just tried and tried again and now I finally have it installed - wohhoo!! Now I just have to figure out how to connect to it..... Thanks for all of your help!! Shawn On 11/3/06, Peter Scheie wrote: > > Check the md5sum on the iso files before you go to the trouble of > downloading them again. That is, at a prompt, type > > md5sum k12ltsp-5.0-disc1.iso > > (or whatever the iso file name is.) It will take several seconds, but > then spit back a number; compare that number to the one listed in the > MD5sum file on the download page. > > Petre > > Shawn Maggard wrote: > > Ok, I have downloaded all 6 iso files and burned them off. I started the > > installer and it said something about a missing file and rebooted, then > > I got to the GUI and thought it was just a glitch. But, it would hang > > on certain things along the install screens (needing a restart) and the > > farthest I have got is where it says "checking dependencies on selected > > packages." I have re-burned the 1st iso to make sure it wasn't a bad cd > > or burn, but I keep getting stuck at 72% of the dependencies thing, even > > in the text-based install. > > > > Mobo is a Soyo Dragon and video is FX5200 I believe. > > > > Any thoughts or suggestions would be helpful.. am I right in thinking > > maybe I should re-download the 1st iso? > > > > Thanks, > > Shawn > > > > BTW when it first comes up saying checking dependencies, it stays at 2% > > for about 20 minutes, then continues again and stops at 72%, and after > > about 25 minutes the cd-rom spins up again and reads, but it stops again > > and stays at 72%... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Plz suggest regards Nataraj From harish.pillay at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 04:41:52 2006 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 12:41:52 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Biometrics Reader for Schools In-Reply-To: <454C1592.2000100@sancharnet.in> References: <454C1592.2000100@sancharnet.in> Message-ID: > Is there any bio-metric reader supported by Ltsp for finger print > identification? > > My school is planning to identify students and record their in/out-time > using finger print scanning. Presently, I have a LTSP client on 486 at > the security gates. All the vendors interviewed are providing Windows > only solutions. I do not have experience with it, but perhaps this URL would have enough info to help: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_fingerprint_reader Harish From maggardcomputing at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 04:57:05 2006 From: maggardcomputing at gmail.com (Shawn Maggard) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 22:57:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] /dev/dsp permission denied Message-ID: <27c92d660611032057m7dc51a01p522b758e9ac12e5c@mail.gmail.com> Hi. I'm sure this has already been answered, but I haven't been able to find the solution. When I login with nxclient, I get at the startup "/dev/dsp permission denied, continuing but using null". I have tried changing the dsp to 755 and 777 but still no go. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks, Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Connecting from Windows I think nxclient is the way to go for now, since this would be soley introducing the linux desktop into the classroom. That way everything still works with Windows how it did before and there aren't any problems :D Shawn On 11/3/06, Huck wrote: Yes you could do something like that with NXclient... so they could experience the Linux side of Life on their Microsoft machines. --Huck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see < http://www.k12os.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ernst at hisplace.net Sat Nov 4 12:06:03 2006 From: ernst at hisplace.net (Ernst) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 23:06:03 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing Message-ID: <200611042306.03558.ernst@hisplace.net> Hi, I have set up K12LTSP server (LTSP_KERNEL_VERSION=2.6.17.3-ltsp-1) and two diskless workstaions. To one workstation a USB printer is connected. I have added to lts.conf: [00:40:63:E9:86:25] # MODULE_01 = usb-ohci # Error: module not found # MODULE_02 = printer # module not found PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = U # P-Parallel, S-Serial, U-USB PRINTER_0_PORT = 9100 # tcp/ip port: defaults to 9100 PRINTER_0_SPEED = 9600 # baud rate: defaults to 9600 PRINTER_0_FLOWCTRL = S # Flow control: S-Software (XON/XOFF), # H-Hardware (CTS/RTS) PRINTER_0_PARITY = N # Parity: N-None, E-Even, O-Odd # (defaults to 'N') PRINTER_0_DATABITS = 8 # Databits: 5,6,7,8 (defaults to 8) PRINTER_0_WRITE_ONLY = N # defaults to N SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = shell Then I need to tell the server to send print jobs to that workstation (ws253). For this I try to add a cups printer in the KDE print managing tool. The printer starts printing: POST /printers/ HTP/1.1 Content-Length: 162 Content-Type: application/ipp Host: 192.168.0.253 User-Agent: Cups/1.2.4 Expect: 100-continue .... followed by some gibberish. Seems to me like this was a message intended for the cups daemon on the workstation. But instead the printer (a HP PSC 2110) prints it out. Sorry about this question. Certainly this has been described somewhere. But til now I did not find out how to configure the printer. Regards Ernst Arnold From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 12:20:25 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 08:20:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Biometrics Reader for Schools In-Reply-To: References: <454C1592.2000100@sancharnet.in> Message-ID: <200611040820.25450.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Saturday 04 November 2006 00:41, Harish Pillay wrote: > > Is there any bio-metric reader supported by Ltsp for finger print > > identification? > > > > My school is planning to identify students and record their in/out-time > > using finger print scanning. Presently, I have a LTSP client on 486 at > > the security gates. All the vendors interviewed are providing Windows > > only solutions. > > I do not have experience with it, but perhaps this URL would have > enough info to help: > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_fingerprint_reader > This seems to be specific to the integrated fingerprint scanner in the IBM Thinkpad laptop computer. Nice to know they have Linux support, but if biometrics are going to be used througout the enterprise, there has to be a central database and just getting a reader to scan is neccessary but not sufficient for the purpose. There is a lot of system integration (and expense) involved in such systems. I would have serious cost/benefit questions if I were involved, particularly if one of those costs was to lock the school into a single computing platform in order to support it. What happens at upgrade time? If this is a single-purpose solution (campus entry/exit), then it would be less restrictive, but the benefit (single authoritative authentication source) would also be reduced. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Nov 4 17:50:16 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 11:50:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu/LTSP 4.2 how to configure sound for ntavo 6020 ? Message-ID: <1162662616.9882.11.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> John, Here are a few things that can kill sound on any Linux OS/K12LTSP. so, do the following: Wrong perms on a couple files & using the wrong sound daemon globally. correct by doing the following: terminal > su - press ENTER> (root password)press ENTER>, root#~]chmod -c 777 /dev/dsp " " " " /dev/mixer ^ two things to do, Next go to SYSTEM>Preferences> More Preferences> Mulitimedia Systems Selector,, change the OUTPUT to ESD -_Enligthenment Sound Daemon, then do a Test Sound, you should get the sound Sine wave. If this works you should get sound for all clients. If you dont get sound here ,your esd package is clobbered:(.. Hope this helps a little. Barry Cisna westcentral school From maggardcomputing at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 19:04:51 2006 From: maggardcomputing at gmail.com (Shawn Maggard) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 13:04:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting from Windows In-Reply-To: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34C8F24@server.CumnorHouse.local> References: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34C8F24@server.CumnorHouse.local> Message-ID: <27c92d660611041104q141b370esb068d76c697e4ab8@mail.gmail.com> After doing a "yum install freenx", installing the client on Windows and copying over the .key file to the /home/user and also importing it into the client, logging in from Windows and getting a terminal is as easy as double clicking the desktop shortcut. I have only tried this on the LAN and also using the external address which works too (just forward to port 22 or whatever freenx is listening on) and so far I have to say that I am extremely impressed with how smooth everything is. My only complaint is that it's Fedora! :P P.S. my test users so far can't get sound, they get /dev/dsp permission denied.... On 11/4/06, Theo Turner wrote: > > I'm using this method as well. The big advantage I have found is that > sound works without any hassle over compatible hardware as windows handles > the drivers. To make access simple I have created an LTSP user on windows > and changed the shell to a customized replacement. This way they only have > two options, open NX or Log Off. They can now logon to a linux desktop in > 15seconds right from the windows logon screen. And that is record time for > windows! > > > > Theo Turner > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On > Behalf Of *Shawn Maggard > *Sent:* 03 November 2006 19:26 > *To:* Support list for open source software in schools. > *Subject:* Re: [K12OSN] Connecting from Windows > > > > I think nxclient is the way to go for now, since this would be soley > introducing the linux desktop into the classroom. 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URL: From bigjeep95 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 4 22:19:45 2006 From: bigjeep95 at hotmail.com (Casey Mynott) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:19:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6 automated java install Message-ID: Hey all, Is anyone having a problem with the automoated java install. Mine seems broken. Thanks for any info! ;) Casey _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Nov 5 01:06:41 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:06:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6 automated java install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454D3921.5090807@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Casey Mynott wrote: > Hey all, > > Is anyone having a problem with the automoated java install. Mine seems broken. Thanks for any info! ;) > > Casey > I'm rebuilding the 6.0 repositories. Try it again in a half-hour or so. If it still doesn't work, I'll fix it tomorrow (we're just finishing up the LTSP developers conference and I won't have net access again until tomorrow...) -Eric From bigjeep95 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 5 02:02:48 2006 From: bigjeep95 at hotmail.com (Casey Mynott) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:02:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6 automated java install Message-ID: Hey Eric, Thanks for the info! I thought it might have been my install. ;) Casey ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:06:41 -0800 > From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6 automated java install > > Casey Mynott wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > Is anyone having a problem with the automoated java install. Mine seems broken. Thanks for any info! ;) > > > > Casey > > > > > I'm rebuilding the 6.0 repositories. Try it again in a half-hour or so. > > If it still doesn't work, I'll fix it tomorrow (we're just finishing up > the LTSP developers conference and I won't have net access again until > tomorrow...) > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From jones.yeates at gmail.com Sun Nov 5 09:26:10 2006 From: jones.yeates at gmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 01:26:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a remote mail server and letting apache have access to it In-Reply-To: <1162609813.6121.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <7739b50611021604k60458f59x240afff502b450e@mail.gmail.com> <1162525302.3284.91.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611030934h3b4c2696j243df40058bfc264@mail.gmail.com> <7739b50611031141u4837107fi1eb5328844a0354@mail.gmail.com> <1162609813.6121.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <7739b50611050126r157df78fl1e5c2f1f4da1c3f7@mail.gmail.com> Whenever I do a make and I have the confTRUSTED_USERS it compiles fine but then it won't restart sendmail properly. I will try the confDOMAIN on (Monday), but I am not clear as to why I need a long address for the server for apache to work that is running on the same machine. On 11/3/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 13:41, jones yeates wrote: > > I finally got the trusted user thing to work. Tapache finally shows > > up in the sendmail.cf file. I needed to "compile"? the mc file by > > doing a > > > > m4 /usr/share/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > > > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf > > > > (I was compiling it by doing: mail -C /etc/mail/) > > All you should have to do is: > service sendmail restart > or 'make' in the /etc/mail directory (which is automatically > done by the init script when sendmail starts. > > > I checked the /var/log/maillog file and got this error when I tried to > > e-mail through apache: > > > > Nov 3 11:34:36 serverName sendmail[8338]: My unqualified host name > > (serverName) unknown; sleeping for retry > > > > I don't understand why its unqualified. It is listed as a trusted > > user. > > I still can't get the masquerade to work. > > Sendmail can't resolve your machine's name in DNS. Set > your hostname to a fully qualified domain name or > specify the name, or if that can't be done, use > define(`confDOMAIN_NAME',`')dnl > > This has nothing to do with trusted users, which are allowed > to specify a From: other than themselves without having > a Sender: line inserted. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are following an example, note the direction of each of the single quotes. But, all the trusted user setting does is omit adding a Sender: header to point out cases where the From: and real user don't match. You probably want it for this case but the mail will go through either way. > I will try the confDOMAIN on (Monday), but I am not clear as to why I > need a long address for the server for apache to work that is running > on the same machine. Sendmail is an internet mailer. It wants to resolve names using proper internet conventions and fully qualified domain names are the only thing usable on the internet. It is also going to try to resolve the destination addresses so it can apply any IP based restrictions or mappings in your access and other configuration files, even though it it will defer actual delivery to your specified smarthost, so make sure you have access to public DNS on this box. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mel at melwade.com Sun Nov 5 21:29:54 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:29:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Sessions? - SonicWall Message-ID: <43080f460611051329n1e5ade14l1acdacb57ebf55b5@mail.gmail.com> I've run into a unique problem. I have my K12LTSP setup and authenticating off the AD server. Whew! We use a SonicWall firewall and we have it setup to require user login (via SonicWall's LDAP connection to the AD). What happens is that if you go to a web site, it redirects to the SonicWall login screen. Once logged in a popup comes up that keeps them authenticated and the main screen moves on to the requested site. When I login as on a LTSP client, it does uses the authentication that I had logged into as root on the console... Not good. Does anyone have an idea why this may be happening? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Sun Nov 5 21:36:07 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:36:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Shared Sessions? - SonicWall In-Reply-To: <43080f460611051329n1e5ade14l1acdacb57ebf55b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611051329n1e5ade14l1acdacb57ebf55b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460611051336s1b9fb8a9obb2e23be343ffaf9@mail.gmail.com> It also has a problem the other way around--if i'm signed in on a client I don't have to sign in on as root on the console. I only have one client setup right now, but I think its safe to assume that it would be a problem for all clients. Once one is signed in the others can browse based on their login. Mel On 11/5/06, Mel Wade wrote: > > I've run into a unique problem. > > I have my K12LTSP setup and authenticating off the AD server. Whew! > > We use a SonicWall firewall and we have it setup to require user login > (via SonicWall's LDAP connection to the AD). What happens is that if you go > to a web site, it redirects to the SonicWall login screen. Once logged in a > popup comes up that keeps them authenticated and the main screen moves on to > the requested site. When I login as on a LTSP client, it does uses the > authentication that I had logged into as root on the console... Not good. > Does anyone have an idea why this may be happening? > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > www.melwade.com -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Nov 5 21:42:48 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:42:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] RealPlayer 10 K12LTSP v5 Message-ID: <59830.127.0.0.1.1162762968.squirrel@server1> Hello K12LTSP'ers Does anyone have RealPlayer 10 working on K12LTSP v5? I have never been able to get Xine or MPlayer to work on embedded .ra , .ram files in web pages. I DO get video but never any sound. From what I've read RP10 relies on esd NOT being the default sound daemon. I even tried installing RP8 and doing a couple of manual cludges to play embedded .ra .ram files and still no joy. Anyone else went through this head scratching before me? I'm all Googled out..If I could get this working nicely the campers , will be happier campers. I'll attach my Mozilla "about:plugins" file: Installed plug-ins Find more information about browser plug-ins at mozilla.org. Help for installing plug-ins is available from plugindoc.mozdev.org. Shockwave Flash File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 7.0 r68 MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player spl Yes Helix DNA Plugin: RealPlayer G2 Plug-In Compatible File name: nphelix.so Helix DNA Plugin: RealPlayer G2 Plug-In Compatible version 0.4.0.622 built with gcc 3.2.0 on Jul 18 2006 MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin RealPlayer Plugin Metafile rpm Yes MozPlugger 1.7.3 handles QuickTime Windows Media Player Plugin File name: mozplugger.so MozPlugger version 1.7.3, written by Fredrik H?binette and Louis Bavoil . For documentation on how to configure mozplugger, check the man page. (type man mozplugger) Configuration file: /etc/mozpluggerrc Helper binary: mozplugger-helper Controller binary: mozplugger-controller MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled video/mpeg MPEG animation mpeg,mpg,mpe Yes video/x-mpeg MPEG animation mpeg,mpg,mpe Yes video/x-mpeg2 MPEG2 animation mpv2,mp2ve Yes video/mp4 MPEG4 animation mp4 Yes video/msvideo AVI animation avi Yes video/x-msvideo AVI animation avi Yes video/fli FLI animation fli,flc Yes video/x-fli FLI animation fli,flc Yes application/x-mplayer2 Windows Media wmv,asf,mov Yes video/x-ms-asf Windows Media asf,asx,wma,wax,wmv,wvx Yes video/x-ms-wmv Windows Media wmv Yes application/x-quicktimeplayer Quicktime animation mov Yes image/x-macpaint Quicktime animation pntg,mov Yes video/quicktime Quicktime animation mov,qt Yes video/x-quicktime Quicktime animation mov,qt Yes video/x-theora OGG stream with video ogg Yes video/theora OGG stream with video ogg Yes video/ogg OGG stream with video ogg Yes video/x-ogg OGG stream with video 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application/vnd.sun.xml.math OpenOffice Math 6.0 documents sxm Yes application/so7_vnd.sun.xml.math StarOffice 7.0 Math documents sxm Yes application/vnd.stardivision.math StarMath 5.x documents smf Yes application/x-starmath StarMath 4.x documents smf Yes Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0_05-b05 File name: libjavaplugin_oji.so Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0_05 MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/x-java-vm Java Yes application/x-java-applet Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.2 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.3 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.4 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.5 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.5.0_05 Java Yes application/x-java-bean Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.2 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.3 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.3.1 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.4 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.1 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.2 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.5 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.5.0_05 Java Yes Thanks, Barry Cisna wsetcentral school From ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca Mon Nov 6 14:42:32 2006 From: ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca (Ryan Hackl) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:42:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "Locking Down" user preferences Message-ID: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57C5@mail1.lskysd.ca> G'day, all! I've got K12LTSP working with thin clients in classrooms throughout the school. Students user settings are modified at log in (via a script) so that when they log in, their homepage and proxy settings are set to access the web via our dansguardian/squid server. Trouble is, students who have found where this setting is are able to change the proxy setting for their current log in, and this isn't so good. I know in Windows (2003, which we also have running in the school), there is a "Group Policy Object" that allows the administrator to "lock out" users from the 'Internet Properties' setting in IE. Is there such a resource for K12LTSP, so I can lock-out, or "hide" the "Preferences" control panel in Firefox? Thanks for any suggestions! - Ryan Hackl Spiritwood High School -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Mon Nov 6 14:56:38 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:56:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Sessions? - SonicWall In-Reply-To: <43080f460611051329n1e5ade14l1acdacb57ebf55b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Nov 2006, Mel Wade wrote: > I've run into a unique problem. > > I have my K12LTSP setup and authenticating off the AD server. Whew! > > We use a SonicWall firewall and we have it setup to require user login (via > SonicWall's LDAP connection to the AD). What happens is that if you go to a > web site, it redirects to the SonicWall login screen. Once logged in a > popup comes up that keeps them authenticated and the main screen moves on to > the requested site. When I login as on a LTSP client, it does uses the > authentication that I had logged into as root on the console... Not good. > Does anyone have an idea why this may be happening? > Mel, the problem is not unique at all and what's more, it might well be called "a feature, not a bug". The terminals are network devices on their own, but the -applications- run on the server and it is the server that the SonicWall sees. That is why it is happening. What to do about it is a question you have not asked, but I'll tray to answer it anyway: Don't use SonicWall authentication, use SquidGuard instead and authenticate to the server that runs Squid. julius From mel at melwade.com Mon Nov 6 15:05:16 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:05:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Sessions? - SonicWall In-Reply-To: References: <43080f460611051329n1e5ade14l1acdacb57ebf55b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460611060705q3c9f6cf6p9d21f747f1d65008@mail.gmail.com> Unfortunately, that's not an option now... I just love "features!" On 11/6/06, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Nov 2006, Mel Wade wrote: > > > I've run into a unique problem. > > > > I have my K12LTSP setup and authenticating off the AD server. Whew! > > > > We use a SonicWall firewall and we have it setup to require user login > (via > > SonicWall's LDAP connection to the AD). What happens is that if you go > to a > > web site, it redirects to the SonicWall login screen. Once logged in a > > popup comes up that keeps them authenticated and the main screen moves > on to > > the requested site. When I login as on a LTSP client, it does uses the > > authentication that I had logged into as root on the console... Not > good. > > Does anyone have an idea why this may be happening? > > > Mel, the problem is not unique at all and what's more, it might well be > called "a feature, not a bug". The terminals are network devices on their > own, but the -applications- run on the server and it is the server that > the SonicWall sees. That is why it is happening. > > What to do about it is a question you have not asked, but I'll tray to > answer it anyway: Don't use SonicWall authentication, use SquidGuard > instead and authenticate to the server that runs Squid. > julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From nhamilton at tcse.us Mon Nov 6 15:13:49 2006 From: nhamilton at tcse.us (Nathan Hamilton) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:13:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] new lab Message-ID: <05EAEBE39866FB479CF6C5FF88B144E515B341@pandora.Tricounty.local> Yes, this was probably the case. I was logged in as administrator when I was checking them out and I'm sure that the teachers were logging kids in under the same username when they were trying it as well. Is it possible to connect this lab to one of or several of the networked printers throughout the building? I plan on putting a printer In the lab itself but until then am curious if it is possible to connect to a printer on a windows server 2003 network. Also, once the local printer is installed will it be possible to have other cpu's outside of the Fedora lab to print to that printer?? Thanks again. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Young Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 12:42 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] new lab Nathan Hamilton wrote: > I have recently inherited a new Lab that had been set up with LTSP - > v4.1. I have been informed that some of the applications wouldn't open > on the workstations. I went to check it out and noticed that it wasn't > that they weren't opening but they were opening up on the server as > opposed to the workstation. I even had an instance where an app. Opened > on the server would pop up over on one of the workstations. I'm > extremely new to this type of setup and have been reading and reading > for some help on this. Any suggestions on what I should check out > and/or change to help resolve this issue?? Thanks so much!! Any chance the same user account is being used on all of those logins? This will not work right on the GNOME desktop (and probably on others). -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 15:45:50 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:45:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Sessions? - SonicWall In-Reply-To: <43080f460611060706r4136a822w621e8628045f787b@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611051329n1e5ade14l1acdacb57ebf55b5@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611060705q3c9f6cf6p9d21f747f1d65008@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611060706r4136a822w621e8628045f787b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/6/06, Mel Wade wrote: > > somewhere I saw a setting that prevents shared resources. It was in a > K12LSTP config file, but now I can't find the file. It's intent was to > prevent people from signing one twice with the same username. Can anyone > tell me where that file is? Hello, Was this to try and solve your original problem? Because it will not. The root problem is that SonicWall is trying to identify people by the network address and/or ethernet machine address that the connections are coming from. Because all the copies of your web browser are actually being ran on your LTSP server, they all have are coming from the same place as far as SonicWall is concerened. To solve this you can do 1 of two things. 1) Run the web browsers locally on each thin client. This will take up tons of resources, at least for Firefox, but if you have the memory to spare then this will fix it. 2) See if you can incorporate the Internet standard AUTH User Identification Service with SonicWall. The Linux server name is identd and it runs on TCP port 113. What this will do is allow someone to query the server and get the user ID number of the user that is attached to a TCP connection. Darryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Mon Nov 6 16:05:06 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:05:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Sessions? - SonicWall In-Reply-To: References: <43080f460611051329n1e5ade14l1acdacb57ebf55b5@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611060705q3c9f6cf6p9d21f747f1d65008@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611060706r4136a822w621e8628045f787b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460611060805y7e1c8915v4857d98fde07e5a9@mail.gmail.com> It was a stab at it, but I wanted to restrict that anyway... I've got on e-mail into a lead SonicWall tech about this.... It may not do any good... Mel On 11/6/06, Darryl Palmer wrote: > > On 11/6/06, Mel Wade wrote: > > > > somewhere I saw a setting that prevents shared resources. It was in a > > K12LSTP config file, but now I can't find the file. It's intent was to > > prevent people from signing one twice with the same username. Can anyone > > tell me where that file is? > > > Hello, > > Was this to try and solve your original problem? Because it will not. > The root problem is that SonicWall is trying to identify people by the > network address and/or ethernet machine address that the connections are > coming from. Because all the copies of your web browser are actually being > ran on your LTSP server, they all have are coming from the same place as far > as SonicWall is concerened. To solve this you can do 1 of two things. > > 1) Run the web browsers locally on each thin client. This will take up > tons of resources, at least for Firefox, but if you have the memory to spare > then this will fix it. > > 2) See if you can incorporate the Internet standard AUTH User > Identification Service with SonicWall. The Linux server name is identd and > it runs on TCP port 113. What this will do is allow someone to query the > server and get the user ID number of the user that is attached to a TCP > connection. > > Darryl > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Nov 6 16:10:40 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:10:40 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] "Locking Down" user preferences In-Reply-To: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57C5@mail1.lskysd.ca> References: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57C5@mail1.lskysd.ca> Message-ID: <454F5E80.5020407@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> CCK Wizard is your friend here :-) http://www.mozilla.org/projects/cck/firefox/ Brian Chivers Ryan Hackl wrote: > G'day, all! > > I've got K12LTSP working with thin clients in classrooms throughout the > school. Students user settings are modified at log in (via a script) so > that when they log in, their homepage and proxy settings are set to > access the web via our dansguardian/squid server. > > Trouble is, students who have found where this setting is are able to > change the proxy setting for their current log in, and this isn't so good. > > I know in Windows (2003, which we also have running in the school), > there is a "Group Policy Object" that allows the administrator to "lock > out" users from the 'Internet Properties' setting in IE. > > Is there such a resource for K12LTSP, so I can lock-out, or "hide" the > "Preferences" control panel in Firefox? > > Thanks for any suggestions! > > - Ryan Hackl > Spiritwood High School > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 16:40:50 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:40:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] new lab In-Reply-To: <05EAEBE39866FB479CF6C5FF88B144E515B341@pandora.Tricounty.local> References: <05EAEBE39866FB479CF6C5FF88B144E515B341@pandora.Tricounty.local> Message-ID: On 11/6/06, Nathan Hamilton wrote: > > Yes, this was probably the case. I was logged in as administrator when > I was checking them out and I'm sure that the teachers were logging kids > in under the same username when they were trying it as well. > > Is it possible to connect this lab to one of or several of the networked > printers throughout the building? I plan on putting a printer In the > lab itself but until then am curious if it is possible to connect to a > printer on a windows server 2003 network. Also, once the local printer > is installed will it be possible to have other cpu's outside of the > Fedora lab to print to that printer?? Thanks again. To use CUPS/Samba to connect to a printer running on Windows server 2003, you need to install the Print Services for UNIX. It should be a windows component that you can add using the add/remove function of the control panel. Windows Server 2003 should be able to connect to your Unix printer using SMB (Samba). Darryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 17:12:08 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 10:12:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British Columbia Message-ID: I've been absent from the list for a couple of months- just lurking since getting K12LTSP5 up on a number of boxes, and I want to bring everyone up to date. My school, Prince Charles Secondary, in Creston, is now running 3 K12LTSP servers with a total of about 120 thin clients. I deliver high-end Cad and several other apps through crossover- everything else FOSS. A week or so ago my principal brought in a sub teacher for me and I went to visit Kamloops where EVERY elementary and middle school runs ltsp and high schools, I understand, have moved to ltsp or are moving over soon. I visited the IT Manager and head Tech there for several hours and was amazed how they ran each school. Each school server runs linux with ltsp buried into a vserver. All higher functions run in the host- ltsp on the vserver. Their mail, fax, backups ... everything is linux. Several school homepage use Moodle with other schools moving their old home pages to a customized moodle. All schools use FreeNX for logons from home- so do I now! I'm still the only school in our district running K12LTSP. Last year, sitting on the Tech Committee, in was told that Prince Charles Secondary would be allowed to remain linux. Later I was told that we were being moved to windows... standardization... So much for committee decision. Our school is the only school to have fully functional computers EveryDay. Our number of computers is still growing in our school WITHOUT a budget... Our technician has said that there is no way our school would run as well as it dows it we used windows. We can't switch over to windows without $100,000.00. A principal from nearby came to visit our school on two occations last May to see how well our system worked. He arranged for me to purchase a server for K12LTSP and I scoped out 25 HPt5515 clients for 120 a piece- total price of under $4000.00. The lead teach found out- went to the Superintendent -did I say our school district is millions in debt?? and stopped the linux lab from happening. THEN turned around and spent $30,000.00 on a windows lab instead... Oh well- end rant. As we are still in debt Prince Charles Secondary won't move to windows. We offer so much with our system now it would take an army of technicians months to make the same things happen in windows and that is accordinbg to my local technician. Thanks everyone for an awesome system. Try out FreeNX! _________________________________________________________________ Not only does Windows Live? OneCare? provide all-in-one PC care to keep your computer protected and well-maintained, but it also makes creating backup files a breeze. Try it today! http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionid=b2456790-90e6-4d28-9219-5d7207d94d45&mkt=en-ca From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 18:07:54 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 07:07:54 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British Columbia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 07/11/06, Jim Christiansen wrote: _________________________________________________________________ > Not only does Windows Live? OneCare? provide all-in-one PC care to keep > your > computer protected and well-maintained, but it also makes creating backup > files a breeze. Try it today! > > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionid=b2456790-90e6-4d28-9219-5d7207d94d45&mkt=en-ca > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Ironic signature you have! :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Nov 6 18:20:47 2006 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:20:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new lab Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646842@hhpmail.media.local> Nathan, If you setup a printer to print under K12LTSP and have samba file sharing enabled on the K12LTSP server, you can access it from other Windows based systems. Preferably you will want to get a working samba configuration going in order to use the printer. Printers that you add via CUPS or redhat-config-printer will automatically appear under SAMBA for that server (after a short period of time). As you can see, there are a couple of ways to do this (getting the printer to be used by outside Windows based systems). You can also specify windows based printers and add them as printers to your K12LTSP installation. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org ------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:40:50 -0600 From: "Darryl Palmer" Subject: Re: [K12OSN] new lab To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On 11/6/06, Nathan Hamilton wrote: > > Yes, this was probably the case. I was logged in as administrator when > I was checking them out and I'm sure that the teachers were logging kids > in under the same username when they were trying it as well. > > Is it possible to connect this lab to one of or several of the networked > printers throughout the building? I plan on putting a printer In the > lab itself but until then am curious if it is possible to connect to a > printer on a windows server 2003 network. Also, once the local printer > is installed will it be possible to have other cpu's outside of the > Fedora lab to print to that printer?? Thanks again. To use CUPS/Samba to connect to a printer running on Windows server 2003, you need to install the Print Services for UNIX. It should be a windows component that you can add using the add/remove function of the control panel. Windows Server 2003 should be able to connect to your Unix printer using SMB (Samba). Darryl From mel at melwade.com Mon Nov 6 19:38:03 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:38:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] User Settings/Desktop Lockdown Message-ID: <43080f460611061138x307a825bsf97b3cedef16f200@mail.gmail.com> How can I lock down users settings like wallpaper, etc? I've read that there is a script somewhere for this but I can't find it... -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 19:20:03 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 12:20:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British Columbia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah- What a killer. I didn't even know this got added as a signature- I didn't ask for it! . I've been slowly moving over to gmail... Time to speed the move up. From: "Krsnendu Dasa" To: jim at linux.ca, "Support list for open source software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British Columbia Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 07:07:54 +1300 On 07/11/06, Jim Christiansen wrote: _________________________________________________________________ >Not only does Windows Live? OneCare? provide all-in-one PC care to keep >your >computer protected and well-maintained, but it also makes creating backup >files a breeze. Try it today! > >http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionid=b2456790-90e6-4d28-9219-5d7207d94d45&mkt=en-ca > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > Ironic signature you have! :-) _________________________________________________________________ Buy, Load, Play. The new Sympatico / MSN Music Store works seamlessly with Windows Media Player. Just Click PLAY. http://musicstore.sympatico.msn.ca/content/viewer.aspx?cid=SMS_Sept192006 From twolfe at sawback.com Mon Nov 6 20:06:42 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:06:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] sound... still not working Message-ID: OK, I've gone through the suggestions folks have kindly passed on, and the ltsp & K12ltsp sound pages (below) and I'm totally stumped. For example: - I've tried from KDE to change the sound settings to enable network sound - I've added the -public flag to the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound file, etc. - I'm using a very common and popular sound card (Ensoniq ES1370 AudioPCI, see lspci output below) as suggested The pages I've used as reference: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WorkstationSound http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound lspci on a workstation console (I uncommented the line in lts.conf that gives me a terminal with ctrl-alt-F2) produces the following: sawback2 at dyyme% cat lspci.txt 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03) 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03) 0000:00:04.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) 0000:00:04.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) 0000:00:04.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) 0000:00:04.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02) 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08) 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200 AGP (rev 03) Here is the relevant excerpt from lts.conf on the server (/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf): # enable sound by default SOUND = Y # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on x86_64) SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" # default sound volume VOLUME = 75 ... I've tried both esd and nasd with kde, gnome, and icewm in all combinations. Here's a sample output of esdplay after trying to play a sound: [root at server Desktop]# esdplay lose.wav ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such device ALSA lib confmisc.c:1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such device ALSA lib conf.c:3961:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device ALSA lib pcm.c:2099:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such device ALSA lib confmisc.c:1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such device ALSA lib conf.c:3961:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device ALSA lib pcm.c:2099:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default [root at server Desktop]# ... Gnome displays the speaker icon in the top right with a red slash; clicking on it brings up an error stating that it can't find any elements and/or devices to control Any helpful tips for me? I've given up on the "it's easy, it works" and am starting to feel more "duh?" than anything. Thanks, Tom Wolfe From robark at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 20:35:02 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:35:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British Columbia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/6/06, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > I've been absent from the list for a couple of months- just lurking since > getting K12LTSP5 up on a number of boxes, and I want to bring everyone up > to > date. My school, Prince Charles Secondary, in Creston, is now running 3 > K12LTSP servers with a total of about 120 thin clients. I deliver > high-end > Cad and several other apps through crossover- everything else FOSS. > > A week or so ago my principal brought in a sub teacher for me and I went > to > visit Kamloops where EVERY elementary and middle school runs ltsp and high > schools, I understand, have moved to ltsp or are moving over soon. I > visited the IT Manager and head Tech there for several hours and was > amazed > how they ran each school. Hi Jim, I am from Vancouver BC. Glad to hear you are in Creston BC. I also know about Kamloops. They are the model district which we should all be following. Here is there Linux site http://www.sd73.bc.ca/district-operations.php/page/linux-in-education/ Each school server runs linux with ltsp buried into a vserver. All higher > functions run in the host- ltsp on the vserver. Their mail, fax, backups > ... everything is linux. Several school homepage use Moodle with other > schools moving their old home pages to a customized moodle. All schools > use > FreeNX for logons from home- so do I now! > > I'm still the only school in our district running K12LTSP. Last year, As am I. There is one other for Adult Ed. However, many of the private schools around Vancouver use Linux. sitting on the Tech Committee, in was told that Prince Charles Secondary > would be allowed to remain linux. Later I was told that we were being > moved > to windows... standardization... So much for committee decision. Our > school is the only school to have fully functional computers > EveryDay. Our > number of computers is still growing in our school WITHOUT a > budget... Our > technician has said that there is no way our school would run as well as > it > dows it we used windows. We can't switch over to windows without Would your principal allow you to keep the labs? $100,000.00. A principal from nearby came to visit our school on two > occations last May to see how well our system worked. He arranged for me > to > purchase a server for K12LTSP and I scoped out 25 HPt5515 clients for 120 > a > piece- total price of under $4000.00. The lead teach found out- went to > the Superintendent -did I say our school district is millions in debt?? > and > stopped the linux lab from happening. THEN turned around and spent > $30,000.00 on a windows lab instead... Oh well- end rant. I am curious if the lead tech or any of the lower techs have Linux/Unix skills? As we are still in debt Prince Charles Secondary won't move to windows. We > offer so much with our system now it would take an army of technicians > months to make the same things happen in windows and that is accordinbg to > my local technician. Many have experienced similar situations. You are not alone. Don't give up. If you like send me your phone number privately and I'll call you. Maybe we can start an alliance for FOSS in Education in BC. If we can site X many teachers or schools using it in BC, then our voice will be stronger. Thanks everyone for an awesome system. Try out FreeNX! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Not only does Windows Live? OneCare? provide all-in-one PC care to keep > your > computer protected and well-maintained, but it also makes creating backup > files a breeze. Try it today! > > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionid=b2456790-90e6-4d28-9219-5d7207d94d45&mkt=en-ca > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 20:36:51 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:36:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Sessions? - SonicWall In-Reply-To: References: <43080f460611051329n1e5ade14l1acdacb57ebf55b5@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611060705q3c9f6cf6p9d21f747f1d65008@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611060706r4136a822w621e8628045f787b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560611061236v313e824cq231987d1a9d9af0f@mail.gmail.com> > 1) Run the web browsers locally on each thin client. This will take up > tons of resources, at least for Firefox, but if you have the memory to spare > then this will fix it. Our principal wants logging of squidguard blocked attempts per user. I told him that I thought authenticating to squidguard with ldap was possible. Do you think I would have to run firefox locally too? Thanks, Peter On 11/6/06, Darryl Palmer wrote: > On 11/6/06, Mel Wade wrote: > > somewhere I saw a setting that prevents shared resources. It was in a > K12LSTP config file, but now I can't find the file. It's intent was to > prevent people from signing one twice with the same username. Can anyone > tell me where that file is? > > > Hello, > > Was this to try and solve your original problem? Because it will not. The > root problem is that SonicWall is trying to identify people by the network > address and/or ethernet machine address that the connections are coming > from. Because all the copies of your web browser are actually being ran on > your LTSP server, they all have are coming from the same place as far as > SonicWall is concerened. To solve this you can do 1 of two things. > > 1) Run the web browsers locally on each thin client. This will take up > tons of resources, at least for Firefox, but if you have the memory to spare > then this will fix it. > > 2) See if you can incorporate the Internet standard AUTH User Identification > Service with SonicWall. The Linux server name is identd and it runs on TCP > port 113. What this will do is allow someone to query the server and get > the user ID number of the user that is attached to a TCP connection. > > Darryl > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 6 20:41:25 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:41:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] sound... still not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454F9DF5.5070804@maltzen.net> Have a look at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 I have some Dell Laptops with a Maestro3 chip for which sound worked under LTSP 4.1, but wouldn't work under 4.2. After adding Gadi's package AND changing maestro3 to snd-maestro3 in audiolist, sound worked. Consider jumping on #LTSP on IRC where you can get help in realtime (which is what I did). Petre Tom Wolfe wrote: > OK, I've gone through the suggestions folks have kindly passed on, and the > ltsp & K12ltsp sound pages (below) and I'm totally stumped. For example: > - I've tried from KDE to change the sound settings to enable network sound > - I've added the -public flag to the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound file, > etc. > - I'm using a very common and popular sound card (Ensoniq ES1370 AudioPCI, > see lspci output below) as suggested > > The pages I've used as reference: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WorkstationSound > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound > > lspci on a workstation console (I uncommented the line in lts.conf that > gives me a terminal with ctrl-alt-F2) produces the following: > sawback2 at dyyme% cat lspci.txt > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03) > 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03) > 0000:00:04.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) > 0000:00:04.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) > 0000:00:04.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) > 0000:00:04.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02) > 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08) > 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] > 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200 AGP (rev 03) > > Here is the relevant excerpt from lts.conf on the server > (/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf): > # enable sound by default > SOUND = Y > # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on x86_64) > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" > > # default sound volume > VOLUME = 75 > > ... I've tried both esd and nasd with kde, gnome, and icewm in all > combinations. Here's a sample output of esdplay after trying to play a > sound: > [root at server Desktop]# esdplay lose.wav > ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib confmisc.c:1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib conf.c:3961:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device > ALSA lib pcm.c:2099:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default > ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib confmisc.c:1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib conf.c:3961:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device > ALSA lib pcm.c:2099:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default > [root at server Desktop]# > > ... Gnome displays the speaker icon in the top right with a red slash; > clicking on it brings up an error stating that it can't find any elements > and/or devices to control > > Any helpful tips for me? > > I've given up on the "it's easy, it works" and am starting to feel more > "duh?" than anything. > > Thanks, > Tom Wolfe > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 21:16:56 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:16:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Sessions? - SonicWall In-Reply-To: <9bd317560611061236v313e824cq231987d1a9d9af0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611051329n1e5ade14l1acdacb57ebf55b5@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611060705q3c9f6cf6p9d21f747f1d65008@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611060706r4136a822w621e8628045f787b@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560611061236v313e824cq231987d1a9d9af0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/6/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > 1) Run the web browsers locally on each thin client. This will take up > > tons of resources, at least for Firefox, but if you have the memory to > spare > > then this will fix it. > > Our principal wants logging of squidguard blocked attempts per user. > I told him that I thought authenticating to squidguard with ldap was > possible. Do you think I would have to run firefox locally too? Squid and squidguard can use auth/identd to identify the user. You need to run a service on your server to make it work. What the service will do is respond to queries on what username is connected with a TCP connection. For example let's say you have two users, Bob and Sue, that are trying to go to a web site. Because you are using LTSP, firefox will run from the server, let's say it is at 192.168.0.1. Your proxy is on another firewall machine at 192.168.0.2 and it is running on port 80. Using only internet address or ethernet MAC address, there is no way for the proxy to distinguish between Bob and Sue because both of their versions of firefox have its network connection originating from the same server at address 192.168.0.1. What Auth/Identd does is make a service avaiable on your server. This service will listen in for requests of connection information and tell the requester what user is associated with that network connection. When Bob started Firefox on the server, firefox grabbed a local-port of 5010 to open a network connection. When Sue started Firefox on the server, she was given another port, let's say 6198. What your proxy server can now do is send a request in the form of , where local port is the port on the proxy server, and foreign-port is the port on the origin server, here the LTSP server. So when the proxy sends a request like: 80, 5010 It will get a response like: 80, 5010 : USERID : BOB If on the other hand the request was 80, 6198 It would be: 80, 6198 : USERID : SUE (Both of the local ports are 80 because this is the port you selected for your proxy service to run on) The way that auth/identd will know the difference between Bob and Sue, is that Bob's version of Firefox was started under the linux userid "BOB" and Sue's version was started under the linux userid "SUE". If you set up your clients to have all the same usernames, then even auth/identd won't do much for you. Darryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twolfe at sawback.com Mon Nov 6 23:18:42 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:18:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] sound... still not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: .... and to follow that last post up, a few other strange things are going on: 1. esdplay soundfile.wav -- pauses as if it's playing something, and exits normally, but no sound 2. totem -- fails with error "could not open resource for writing" 3. other sound players seem to be playing but no sound. Only the test sounds from the sound control panel produce any output... and only after I start up esd on the local workstation. Regards, Tom Wolfe On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Tom Wolfe wrote: > OK, I've gone through the suggestions folks have kindly passed on, and the > ltsp & K12ltsp sound pages (below) and I'm totally stumped. For example: > - I've tried from KDE to change the sound settings to enable network sound > - I've added the -public flag to the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound file, > etc. > - I'm using a very common and popular sound card (Ensoniq ES1370 AudioPCI, > see lspci output below) as suggested > > The pages I've used as reference: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WorkstationSound > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound > > lspci on a workstation console (I uncommented the line in lts.conf that > gives me a terminal with ctrl-alt-F2) produces the following: > sawback2 at dyyme% cat lspci.txt > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03) > 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03) > 0000:00:04.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) > 0000:00:04.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) > 0000:00:04.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) > 0000:00:04.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02) > 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08) > 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] > 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200 AGP (rev 03) > > Here is the relevant excerpt from lts.conf on the server > (/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf): > # enable sound by default > SOUND = Y > # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on x86_64) > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" > > # default sound volume > VOLUME = 75 > > ... I've tried both esd and nasd with kde, gnome, and icewm in all > combinations. Here's a sample output of esdplay after trying to play a > sound: > [root at server Desktop]# esdplay lose.wav > ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib confmisc.c:1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib conf.c:3961:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device > ALSA lib pcm.c:2099:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default > ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib confmisc.c:1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib conf.c:3961:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device > ALSA lib pcm.c:2099:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default > [root at server Desktop]# > > ... Gnome displays the speaker icon in the top right with a red slash; > clicking on it brings up an error stating that it can't find any elements > and/or devices to control > > Any helpful tips for me? > > I've given up on the "it's easy, it works" and am starting to feel more > "duh?" than anything. > > Thanks, > Tom Wolfe > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From twolfe at sawback.com Mon Nov 6 23:19:37 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:19:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] sound... still not working (fwd) Message-ID: I sent this by mistake only to Petre... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:10:40 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Wolfe To: Petre Scheie Subject: Re: [K12OSN] sound... still not working Hi folks, Thanks Petre for the leads. I'm not sure that the symbiont hack did anything. However, I have made a little progress. I can sourt of get some sound if I use the local console to fire up esd. After doing this, I can get a couple of sounds via the System>Preferences>Sound Preferences>Sounds> check "Enable software sound mixing" and "Play system sounds". ..but only logoff and logon files open... so I can't say I'm making much progress. KDE is the same kind of thing, but I can play a few more of the system sounds. Any tips? Regards, Tom Wolfe On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > Have a look at > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 > > I have some Dell Laptops with a Maestro3 chip for which sound worked under LTSP 4.1, but > wouldn't work under 4.2. After adding Gadi's package AND changing maestro3 to > snd-maestro3 in audiolist, sound worked. Consider jumping on #LTSP on IRC where you can > get help in realtime (which is what I did). > > Petre > > Tom Wolfe wrote: > > OK, I've gone through the suggestions folks have kindly passed on, and the > > ltsp & K12ltsp sound pages (below) and I'm totally stumped. For example: > > - I've tried from KDE to change the sound settings to enable network sound > > - I've added the -public flag to the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound file, > > etc. > > - I'm using a very common and popular sound card (Ensoniq ES1370 AudioPCI, > > see lspci output below) as suggested > > > > The pages I've used as reference: > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WorkstationSound > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound > > > > lspci on a workstation console (I uncommented the line in lts.conf that > > gives me a terminal with ctrl-alt-F2) produces the following: > > sawback2 at dyyme% cat lspci.txt > > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03) > > 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03) > > 0000:00:04.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) > > 0000:00:04.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) > > 0000:00:04.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) > > 0000:00:04.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02) > > 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08) > > 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] > > 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200 AGP (rev 03) > > > > Here is the relevant excerpt from lts.conf on the server > > (/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf): > > # enable sound by default > > SOUND = Y > > # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on x86_64) > > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > > # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" > > > > # default sound volume > > VOLUME = 75 > > > > ... I've tried both esd and nasd with kde, gnome, and icewm in all > > combinations. Here's a sample output of esdplay after trying to play a > > sound: > > [root at server Desktop]# esdplay lose.wav > > ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' > > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver > > returned error: No such device > > ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings > > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat > > returned error: No such device > > ALSA lib confmisc.c:1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name > > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer > > returned error: No such device > > ALSA lib conf.c:3961:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device > > ALSA lib pcm.c:2099:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default > > ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' > > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver > > returned error: No such device > > ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings > > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat > > returned error: No such device > > ALSA lib confmisc.c:1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name > > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer > > returned error: No such device > > ALSA lib conf.c:3961:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device > > ALSA lib pcm.c:2099:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default > > [root at server Desktop]# > > > > ... Gnome displays the speaker icon in the top right with a red slash; > > clicking on it brings up an error stating that it can't find any elements > > and/or devices to control > > > > Any helpful tips for me? > > > > I've given up on the "it's easy, it works" and am starting to feel more > > "duh?" than anything. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom Wolfe > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From bigjeep95 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 23:04:11 2006 From: bigjeep95 at hotmail.com (Casey Mynott) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:04:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British Columbia Message-ID: Hey Robert! FOSS alliance? Sounds like a revolution. Just kidding. In all seriousness, I think that is an awesome idea. I wonder what we would need to make that fly...???? Casey Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:35:02 -0800From: robark at gmail.comTo: jim at linux.ca; k12osn at redhat.comSubject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British ColumbiaCC: On 11/6/06, Jim Christiansen wrote: I've been absent from the list for a couple of months- just lurking sincegetting K12LTSP5 up on a number of boxes, and I want to bring everyone up todate. My school, Prince Charles Secondary, in Creston, is now running 3 K12LTSP servers with a total of about 120 thin clients. I deliver high-endCad and several other apps through crossover- everything else FOSS.A week or so ago my principal brought in a sub teacher for me and I went to visit Kamloops where EVERY elementary and middle school runs ltsp and highschools, I understand, have moved to ltsp or are moving over soon. Ivisited the IT Manager and head Tech there for several hours and was amazed how they ran each school. Hi Jim,I am from Vancouver BC. Glad to hear you are in Creston BC. I also know about Kamloops. They are the model district which we should all be following. Here is there Linux sitehttp://www.sd73.bc.ca/district-operations.php/page/linux-in-education/ Each school server runs linux with ltsp buried into a vserver. All higherfunctions run in the host- ltsp on the vserver. Their mail, fax, backups ... everything is linux. Several school homepage use Moodle with otherschools moving their old home pages to a customized moodle. All schools useFreeNX for logons from home- so do I now!I'm still the only school in our district running K12LTSP. Last year, As am I. There is one other for Adult Ed. However, many of the private schools around Vancouver use Linux. sitting on the Tech Committee, in was told that Prince Charles Secondarywould be allowed to remain linux. Later I was told that we were being moved to windows... standardization... So much for committee decision. Ourschool is the only school to have fully functional computers EveryDay. Ournumber of computers is still growing in our school WITHOUT a budget... Our technician has said that there is no way our school would run as well as itdows it we used windows. We can't switch over to windows without Would your principal allow you to keep the labs? $100,000.00. A principal from nearby came to visit our school on twooccations last May to see how well our system worked. He arranged for me to purchase a server for K12LTSP and I scoped out 25 HPt5515 clients for 120 apiece- total price of under $4000.00. The lead teach found out- went tothe Superintendent -did I say our school district is millions in debt?? and stopped the linux lab from happening. THEN turned around and spent$30,000.00 on a windows lab instead... Oh well- end rant. I am curious if the lead tech or any of the lower techs have Linux/Unix skills? As we are still in debt Prince Charles Secondary won't move to windows. Weoffer so much with our system now it would take an army of technicians months to make the same things happen in windows and that is accordinbg tomy local technician. Many have experienced similar situations. You are not alone. Don't give up. If you like send me your phone number privately and I'll call you. Maybe we can start an alliance for FOSS in Education in BC. If we can site X many teachers or schools using it in BC, then our voice will be stronger. Thanks everyone for an awesome system. Try out FreeNX!_________________________________________________________________ Not only does Windows Live? OneCare? provide all-in-one PC care to keep yourcomputer protected and well-maintained, but it also makes creating backupfiles a breeze. 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URL: From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 00:25:14 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:25:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Shared Sessions? - SonicWall In-Reply-To: <9bd317560611061236v313e824cq231987d1a9d9af0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611051329n1e5ade14l1acdacb57ebf55b5@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611060705q3c9f6cf6p9d21f747f1d65008@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611060706r4136a822w621e8628045f787b@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560611061236v313e824cq231987d1a9d9af0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/6/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > 1) Run the web browsers locally on each thin client. This will take up > > tons of resources, at least for Firefox, but if you have the memory to > spare > > then this will fix it. > > Our principal wants logging of squidguard blocked attempts per user. > I told him that I thought authenticating to squidguard with ldap was > possible. Do you think I would have to run firefox locally too? > > Thanks, > Peter > Geez, I typed that long tecno-babble response and didn't really answer the question. You can use LDAP two ways, you can either have the kids log on to the terminals using LDAP, or you can have the kids logon when they start up the browser. AFAIK, if you use LDAP just for browser authentication then Squid will just authenticate ONCE. The problem you get into is that the first person to do the LDAP authentication sets the username/password for everyone on the machine. To allow the kids to logon to the terminals you can use the smbldap tools to make the same groups/users on the server. But then the kids will need to logon to the terminals to use them at all. If you want the kids just to use their logon for the Internet and not have to logon to start the terminals, then the only way to do it is to install firefox locally. Darryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jones.yeates at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 02:14:35 2006 From: jones.yeates at gmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:14:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a remote mail server and letting apache have access to it In-Reply-To: <1162758596.26297.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <7739b50611021604k60458f59x240afff502b450e@mail.gmail.com> <1162525302.3284.91.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611030934h3b4c2696j243df40058bfc264@mail.gmail.com> <7739b50611031141u4837107fi1eb5328844a0354@mail.gmail.com> <1162609813.6121.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611050126r157df78fl1e5c2f1f4da1c3f7@mail.gmail.com> <1162758596.26297.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <7739b50611061814l10cff43bk9e1f7514973ad00d@mail.gmail.com> I finally got the confTRUSTED_USER thing to work (well it never crashed when I tried to restart it). I added: define(`confDOMAIN_NAME',`SERVER_SHORT_NAME.DOMAIN_NAME')dnl I also changed /etc/hosts and added SERVER_SHORT_NAME.DOMAIN_NAME to it, along with the ip address and the SERVER_SHORT_NAME. The IP address that I'm using is the one I see on ifconfig, not the one that is seen on a website that shows your computer's ip address. I get this error: Nov 6 18:07:46 [SERVER_SHORT_NAME] sendmail[3774]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(apache): can not chdir(/var/spool/clientmqueue/): Permission denied I can access the DNS server. I am basing that on the fact that I can access websites on the Linux server. Is there a command that I can use to determine the hostname of my server and if it is setup in the DNS properly? On 11/5/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 03:26, jones yeates wrote: > > Whenever I do a make and I have the confTRUSTED_USERS it compiles fine > > but then it won't restart sendmail properly. > > This is probably a syntax error - m4 syntax is kind of obscure. > If you are following an example, note the direction of each > of the single quotes. But, all the trusted user setting does > is omit adding a Sender: header to point out cases where the From: > and real user don't match. You probably want it for this case > but the mail will go through either way. > > > I will try the confDOMAIN on (Monday), but I am not clear as to why I > > need a long address for the server for apache to work that is running > > on the same machine. > > Sendmail is an internet mailer. It wants to resolve names > using proper internet conventions and fully qualified domain > names are the only thing usable on the internet. It is also > going to try to resolve the destination addresses so it can > apply any IP based restrictions or mappings in your access > and other configuration files, even though it it will defer > actual delivery to your specified smarthost, so make sure > you have access to public DNS on this box. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 7 02:56:32 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:56:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a remote mail server and letting apache have access to it In-Reply-To: <7739b50611061814l10cff43bk9e1f7514973ad00d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7739b50611021604k60458f59x240afff502b450e@mail.gmail.com> <1162525302.3284.91.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611030934h3b4c2696j243df40058bfc264@mail.gmail.com> <7739b50611031141u4837107fi1eb5328844a0354@mail.gmail.com> <1162609813.6121.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611050126r157df78fl1e5c2f1f4da1c3f7@mail.gmail.com> <1162758596.26297.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611061814l10cff43bk9e1f7514973ad00d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1162868191.32619.24.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 20:14, jones yeates wrote: > I also changed /etc/hosts and added SERVER_SHORT_NAME.DOMAIN_NAME to > it, along with the ip address and the SERVER_SHORT_NAME. The IP > address that I'm using is the one I see on ifconfig, not the one that > is seen on a website that shows your computer's ip address. > > I get this error: > Nov 6 18:07:46 [SERVER_SHORT_NAME] sendmail[3774]: NOQUEUE: > SYSERR(apache): can not chdir(/var/spool/clientmqueue/): Permission > denied ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ new problem Did you turn off setuid on sendmail? It should run as user smmsp for submissions as specified in /etc/mail/submit.cf and ls -ld /var/spool/clientmqueue should show: drwxrwx--- 2 smmsp smmsp 4096 Nov 6 17:00 /var/spool/clientmqueue > I can access the DNS server. I am basing that on the fact that I can > access websites on the Linux server. > > Is there a command that I can use to determine the hostname of my > server and if it is setup in the DNS properly? Normally you should be able to use nslookup with both your fully qualified domain name and IP address to see if the values returned are correct, but if you are behind NAT you need a local DNS server to have the 'internal' addresses. A hosts file entry will usually work, although sendmail will try for an MX record and will use one it finds in DNS in preference to the same name in /etc/hosts. But, get permissions right before worrying about this part. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 03:05:05 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:05:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu/LTSP 4.2 how to configure sound for ntavo 6020 ? In-Reply-To: <1162662616.9882.11.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> References: <1162662616.9882.11.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <2be970b50611061905x6b97efc3oae150cf13dae48c6@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Berry, I'll look into this. John On 11/4/06, Barry R Cisna wrote: > > John, > Here are a few things that can kill sound on any Linux OS/K12LTSP. > so, do the following: > Wrong perms on a couple files & using the wrong sound daemon globally. > correct by doing the following: > > terminal > su - press ENTER> (root password)press ENTER>, > root#~]chmod -c 777 /dev/dsp > " " " " /dev/mixer > > ^ two things to do, > > Next go to SYSTEM>Preferences> More Preferences> Mulitimedia Systems > Selector,, change the OUTPUT to ESD -_Enligthenment Sound Daemon, then > do a Test Sound, you should get the sound Sine wave. If this works you > should get sound for all clients. If you dont get sound here ,your esd > package is clobbered:(.. > > Hope this helps a little. > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tkathan at charter.net Mon Nov 6 22:41:57 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:41:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cannot save word doc to USB K12LTSP Message-ID: <528038693.1162852917374.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> I am getting an error when trying to save Word docs to my USB flash drive, 512 megs. The error reported is "General input/output error while accessing /home/jkathan/Desktop/USB_DISK_desktop/Grades 1-2 report card.doc" I can save other files to it, either in Windows or linux. I checked the file permissions and gave full access to the file. Any ideas? Does this error message ring any bells? I bet its something really silly. From robark at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 03:37:46 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:37:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British Columbia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/6/06, Casey Mynott wrote: > > Hey Robert! > > FOSS alliance? Sounds like a revolution. Just kidding. In all seriousness, > I think that is an awesome idea. I wonder what we would need to make that > fly...???? > Well for the moment simply knowing which schools are running Linux would be a help for all of us. Unfortunately, not everyone who is using Linux is on this list. So I suppose someone or some group would need to contact each district and inquire if any schools had implemented it. Casey > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:35:02 -0800 > From: robark at gmail.com > To: jim at linux.ca; k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British Columbia > CC: > > > > On 11/6/06, *Jim Christiansen* wrote: > > I've been absent from the list for a couple of months- just lurking since > getting K12LTSP5 up on a number of boxes, and I want to bring everyone up > to > date. My school, Prince Charles Secondary, in Creston, is now running 3 > K12LTSP servers with a total of about 120 thin clients. I deliver > high-end > Cad and several other apps through crossover- everything else FOSS. > > A week or so ago my principal brought in a sub teacher for me and I went > to > visit Kamloops where EVERY elementary and middle school runs ltsp and high > schools, I understand, have moved to ltsp or are moving over soon. I > visited the IT Manager and head Tech there for several hours and was > amazed > how they ran each school. > > > > Hi Jim, > I am from Vancouver BC. Glad to hear you are in Creston BC. I also know > about Kamloops. They are the model district which we should all be > following. Here is there Linux site > http://www.sd73.bc.ca/district-operations.php/page/linux-in-education/ > > > > Each school server runs linux with ltsp buried into a vserver. All higher > functions run in the host- ltsp on the vserver. Their mail, fax, backups > ... everything is linux. Several school homepage use Moodle with other > schools moving their old home pages to a customized moodle. All schools > use > FreeNX for logons from home- so do I now! > > I'm still the only school in our district running K12LTSP. Last year, > > > > As am I. There is one other for Adult Ed. However, many of the private > schools around Vancouver use Linux. > > > sitting on the Tech Committee, in was told that Prince Charles Secondary > would be allowed to remain linux. Later I was told that we were being > moved > to windows... standardization... So much for committee decision. Our > school is the only school to have fully functional computers > EveryDay. Our > number of computers is still growing in our school WITHOUT a > budget... Our > technician has said that there is no way our school would run as well as > it > dows it we used windows. We can't switch over to windows without > > > Would your principal allow you to keep the labs? > > > $100,000.00. A principal from nearby came to visit our school on two > occations last May to see how well our system worked. He arranged for me > to > purchase a server for K12LTSP and I scoped out 25 HPt5515 clients for 120 > a > piece- total price of under $4000.00. The lead teach found out- went to > the Superintendent -did I say our school district is millions in debt?? > and > stopped the linux lab from happening. THEN turned around and spent > $30,000.00 on a windows lab instead... Oh well- end rant. > > > > I am curious if the lead tech or any of the lower techs have Linux/Unix > skills? > > > As we are still in debt Prince Charles Secondary won't move to > windows. We > offer so much with our system now it would take an army of technicians > months to make the same things happen in windows and that is accordinbg to > my local technician. > > > Many have experienced similar situations. You are not alone. Don't give > up. If you like send me your phone number privately and I'll call you. Maybe > we can start an alliance for FOSS in Education in BC. If we can site X many > teachers or schools using it in BC, then our voice will be stronger. > > Thanks everyone for an awesome system. 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URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Nov 7 05:56:38 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:56:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] hosed grub... Message-ID: <45502016.3090203@paasda.org> I hosed grub somehow on my LTSP box... and now when the server boots it hangs at GRUB and beeps with a constant BEEEEEEEEEEP I did this when restoring some directories I had fubar'd earlier in the day. any ideas? I can boot with 'linux rescue' ... and chroot /mnt/sysimage but it's 10pm so I'm going home and will arrive early to see if I can find a solution. TIA! --Huck From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 7 06:51:43 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:51:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] hosed grub... In-Reply-To: <45502016.3090203@paasda.org> References: <45502016.3090203@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1162882303.849.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 23:56, Huck wrote: > I hosed grub somehow on my LTSP box... > and now when the server boots it hangs at > > GRUB > > and beeps with a constant BEEEEEEEEEEP > > I did this when restoring some directories I had fubar'd earlier in the day. > > any ideas? I can boot with 'linux rescue' ... and chroot /mnt/sysimage > but it's 10pm so I'm going home and will arrive early to see if I can > find a solution. After the chroot, the simple thing to try would be grub-install. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From william at fragakis.com Tue Nov 7 14:33:21 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:33:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British Columbia In-Reply-To: <20061107021441.6E8F4734B4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061107021441.6E8F4734B4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1162910001.6293.68.camel@server.ltsp> Yep, FreeNX rocks. That's the way I manage our servers and did my work while away this weekend (via a laptop on a wireless hotel network). On to your major issue: You must go outside the system to achieve results at this point. Start with local gov't officials (mayor, city or area council, school board) and even up to province (state) level. They must come see the school, see and hear the story. You must, if you can, get the story in the media. Nobody likes their tax dollars getting pissed away just because... "we want to standardize". That much money buys books, playground equipment, a couple of teachers, special ed tools and a lot of other things. I don't think they want to tell parents they can't have X because they've decided to "standardize". The media love those stories and administrators hate the harsh daylight resulting. Document, video, any way else you know to record what is happening so they can't say it's not working. Have the teachers let the admins know, they need to keep LTSP. Also, emphasize this isn't about changing platforms but losing great applications, stability, security (and still can't believe parents aren't in a snit about the privacy holes in Windows because of malware). And, make it known that the kids your students will be competing with in the States, Asia, Europe and Africa for jobs are using Linux not Windows. You can't change closed minds but their bosses can ;-). Best of luck, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 21:14 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 10:12:08 -0700 > From: "Jim Christiansen" > Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British Columbia > To: k12osn at redhat.com, jim at christiansens.ca > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > I've been absent from the list for a couple of months- just lurking > since > getting K12LTSP5 up on a number of boxes, and I want to bring everyone > up to > date. My school, Prince Charles Secondary, in Creston, is now running > 3 > K12LTSP servers with a total of about 120 thin clients. I deliver > high-end > Cad and several other apps through crossover- everything else FOSS. > > A week or so ago my principal brought in a sub teacher for me and I > went to > visit Kamloops where EVERY elementary and middle school runs ltsp and > high > schools, I understand, have moved to ltsp or are moving over soon. I > visited the IT Manager and head Tech there for several hours and was > amazed > how they ran each school. [snip] > I'm still the only school in our district running K12LTSP. Last > year, > sitting on the Tech Committee, in was told that Prince Charles > Secondary > would be allowed to remain linux. Later I was told that we were being > moved > to windows... standardization... So much for committee decision. > Our > school is the only school to have fully functional computers EveryDay. > Our > number of computers is still growing in our school WITHOUT a budget... > Our > technician has said that there is no way our school would run as well > as it > dows it we used windows. We can't switch over to windows without > $100,000.00. A principal from nearby came to visit our school on two > occations last May to see how well our system worked. He arranged for > me to > purchase a server for K12LTSP and I scoped out 25 HPt5515 clients for > 120 a > piece- total price of under $4000.00. The lead teach found out- went > to > the Superintendent -did I say our school district is millions in > debt?? and > stopped the linux lab from happening. THEN turned around and spent > $30,000.00 on a windows lab instead... Oh well- end rant. > > As we are still in debt Prince Charles Secondary won't move to > windows. We > offer so much with our system now it would take an army of > technicians > months to make the same things happen in windows and that is > accordinbg to > my local technician. > > Thanks everyone for an awesome system. Try out FreeNX! From djaques at corbett.k12.or.us Tue Nov 7 14:46:10 2006 From: djaques at corbett.k12.or.us (Derek Jaques) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 06:46:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Error Message Message-ID: <45509C32.7050103@corbett.k12.or.us> I have been adding users to our system using an LDAP server with no problems until recently. Now when I add users I get a funky error message. user's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and have 644 permission. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and not write able by other users. Any ideas? Thank you, Derek Jaques Corbett High School From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Nov 7 15:29:04 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 07:29:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Nic Bonding Errors in dmesg Message-ID: <4550A640.50601@paasda.org> I get the following: [snip] e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex bonding: Error: found a client with no channel in the client's hash table bonding: Error: found a client with no channel in the client's hash table bonding: Error: found a client with no channel in the client's hash table bonding: Error: found a client with no channel in the client's hash table bonding: Error: found a client with no channel in the client's hash table bonding: Error: found a client with no channel in the client's hash table e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex bonding: bond0: link status definitely up for interface eth0. bonding: bond0: making interface eth0 the new active one. bonding: bond0: link status definitely down for interface eth0, disabling it bonding: bond0: now running without any active interface ! e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex bonding: bond0: link status definitely up for interface eth1. bonding: bond0: making interface eth1 the new active one. bonding: bond0: link status definitely down for interface eth1, disabling it bonding: bond0: now running without any active interface ! [/snip] and if I'm in a terminal...the bonding: Error: found a client with no channel in the client's hash table spams the screen repeatedly then catches it's breath and does it again... --Huck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 7 17:47:51 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:47:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Error Message In-Reply-To: <45509C32.7050103@corbett.k12.or.us> References: <45509C32.7050103@corbett.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4550C6C7.9080905@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I have seen this with NFS mounted /home. Try editing /etc/gdm/custom.conf and add this line to the "[security]" section: RelaxPermissions=1 You need to restart GDM for this to take affect. You can either reboot or run "gdm-restart" - either way it kick off all of your users, so you'll want to do it after-hours. -Eric Derek Jaques wrote: > I have been adding users to our system using an LDAP server with no > problems until recently. Now when I add users I get a funky error message. > > user's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default > session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and > have 644 permission. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and > not write able by other users. > > Any ideas? > Thank you, > > > Derek Jaques > Corbett High School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mel at melwade.com Tue Nov 7 17:51:21 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:51:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Error Message In-Reply-To: <4550C6C7.9080905@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45509C32.7050103@corbett.k12.or.us> <4550C6C7.9080905@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43080f460611070951s7a76f449p2c463cf7a0bb402a@mail.gmail.com> Is there a how to on setting up a NFS mounted home? On 11/7/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > I have seen this with NFS mounted /home. > > Try editing /etc/gdm/custom.conf and add this line to the "[security]" > section: > > RelaxPermissions=1 > > You need to restart GDM for this to take affect. You can either reboot > or run "gdm-restart" - either way it kick off all of your users, so > you'll want to do it after-hours. > > -Eric > > > Derek Jaques wrote: > > I have been adding users to our system using an LDAP server with no > > problems until recently. Now when I add users I get a funky error > message. > > > > user's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default > > session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and > > have 644 permission. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and > > not write able by other users. > > > > Any ideas? > > Thank you, > > > > > > Derek Jaques > > Corbett High School > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toddobryan at mac.com Tue Nov 7 18:54:47 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:54:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... Message-ID: <1162925687.4698.1.camel@tobryan1-desktop> Hey all, A new wrinkle. We priced all of our server stuff at NewEgg, but now I find out that NewEgg won't take a purchase order and our purchasing department won't send them a check. Anybody know a reasonably priced company that will accept a school P.O. that you're happy with? Thanks, Todd From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Nov 7 19:06:27 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:06:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <1162925687.4698.1.camel@tobryan1-desktop> References: <1162925687.4698.1.camel@tobryan1-desktop> Message-ID: daktech.com or bytespeed.com "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Hey all, > >A new wrinkle. We priced all of our server stuff at NewEgg, but now I >find out that NewEgg won't take a purchase order and our purchasing >department won't send them a check. > >Anybody know a reasonably priced company that will accept a school P.O. >that you're happy with? > >Thanks, >Todd > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From moliveri at rb60.com Tue Nov 7 19:00:13 2006 From: moliveri at rb60.com (Mike Oliveri) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:00:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <1162925687.4698.1.camel@tobryan1-desktop> Message-ID: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0921@rbexfe.rb60.local> I've been working with MNJ Technologies this year and have been very happy: www.mnjtech.com My rep is Mike Licht -- mlicht at mnjtech.com They're basically looking to compete with CDW and the like. You might also want to try Tiger Direct. I forget the name of their back end, but they do large sales, too. You might have to file some paper work to do POs. My rep there is Kathleen Zukovich -- Kathleen.Zukovich at tigerdirect.com The majority of my parts and similar purchases actually go through Tiger. We use an Amex card most of the time, but again, I'm pretty sure you can get set up to do purchase orders. Take care, Mike Oliveri Tech Cooridnator Roanoke-Benson CUSD #60 moliveri at rb60.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Todd O'Bryan Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:55 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... Hey all, A new wrinkle. We priced all of our server stuff at NewEgg, but now I find out that NewEgg won't take a purchase order and our purchasing department won't send them a check. Anybody know a reasonably priced company that will accept a school P.O. that you're happy with? Thanks, Todd _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ericbrow at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 19:08:35 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:08:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0921@rbexfe.rb60.local> References: <1162925687.4698.1.camel@tobryan1-desktop> <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0921@rbexfe.rb60.local> Message-ID: I use MWave.com. Their prices are often pretty good, and they will give a small educational discount. Good selection, they take a PO, and turn-around time is pretty good. I know they can be a little more expensive, but cdwg.com is also very good. Your sales rep is your best resource with them. Mine actually answers the phone most of the time personally. If I leave a voicemail, he's back with me usually in about 15 minutes. You should get a quote from them because the price will be lower. They are good about answering general questions, knowing what's a good product to suit your needs, which ones have complaints, what's on sale, what's about to be discontinued. Finally, I managed to piece together a really decent server with monarchcomputer.com. I put together a dual 4800+ amd machine with 4gb ram and 1.2 TB hard drive space for just a hair over $3000 last year. They were also very helpful. Good Luck Eric On 11/7/06, Mike Oliveri wrote: > I've been working with MNJ Technologies this year and have been very > happy: www.mnjtech.com > > My rep is Mike Licht -- mlicht at mnjtech.com > > They're basically looking to compete with CDW and the like. > > You might also want to try Tiger Direct. I forget the name of their back > end, but they do large sales, too. You might have to file some paper > work to do POs. My rep there is Kathleen Zukovich -- > Kathleen.Zukovich at tigerdirect.com > > The majority of my parts and similar purchases actually go through > Tiger. We use an Amex card most of the time, but again, I'm pretty sure > you can get set up to do purchase orders. > > Take care, > Mike Oliveri > Tech Cooridnator > Roanoke-Benson CUSD #60 > moliveri at rb60.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Todd O'Bryan > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:55 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... > > Hey all, > > A new wrinkle. We priced all of our server stuff at NewEgg, but now I > find out that NewEgg won't take a purchase order and our purchasing > department won't send them a check. > > Anybody know a reasonably priced company that will accept a school P.O. > that you're happy with? > > Thanks, > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From caldodge at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 19:24:50 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:24:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0921@rbexfe.rb60.local> References: <1162925687.4698.1.camel@tobryan1-desktop> <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0921@rbexfe.rb60.local> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0611071124v621e0cb3n146cb85706525b4c@mail.gmail.com> On 11/7/06, Mike Oliveri wrote: > You might also want to try Tiger Direct. I forget the name of their back > end, but they do large sales, too. You might have to file some paper > work to do POs. My rep there is Kathleen Zukovich -- > Kathleen.Zukovich at tigerdirect.com I'd buy relatively simple components from Tigerdirect (RAM or hard drives), but I'd shy away from items like motherboards or complete systems. Why? Because if such items are DOA, my experience is that you'll get no satisfaction from Tigerdirect. In my case, they referred me to the manufacturer (that's why "direct" is in the name), and the manufacturer did not respond to emails OR voicemails. So I ended up salvaging the CPUs and RAM from the 2 computers, and tossing out the rest of the components. YMMV, of course. Calvin Dodge From jones.yeates at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 19:35:18 2006 From: jones.yeates at gmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:35:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a remote mail server and letting apache have access to it In-Reply-To: <1162868191.32619.24.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <7739b50611021604k60458f59x240afff502b450e@mail.gmail.com> <1162525302.3284.91.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611030934h3b4c2696j243df40058bfc264@mail.gmail.com> <7739b50611031141u4837107fi1eb5328844a0354@mail.gmail.com> <1162609813.6121.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611050126r157df78fl1e5c2f1f4da1c3f7@mail.gmail.com> <1162758596.26297.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611061814l10cff43bk9e1f7514973ad00d@mail.gmail.com> <1162868191.32619.24.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <7739b50611071135w5ec3378dkd11ead52975e4ace@mail.gmail.com> Hi, ls -ld /var/spool/clientmqueue resulted in: drwxrwx--- 2 smmsp smmsp 4096 Nov 7 04:02 /var/spool/clientmqueue -- so that's good. -- I tried to include apache as a member of the smmsp group and it still didn't work. So I removed apache from the group. None of the nslookup commands were successful. I tried it with the server's short name, full name (including domain name) and ip address. Results are shown below. nslookup SHORTNAME resulted in: ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 10.32.140.1, trying next server Server: 172.17.6.1 Address: 172.17.6.1#53 ** server can't find SHORTNAME: SERVFAIL nslookup SHORTNAME.DOMAINNAME Server: 10.32.140.1 Address: 10.32.140.1#53 ** server can't find SHORTNAME.DOMAINNAME: NXDOMAIN nslookup IP.AD.DRE.SS Server: 172.17.6.1 Address: 172.17.6.1#53 ** server can't find 208.129.32.10.in-addr.arpa: NXDOMAIN -------------------------------- I am not sure if I turned setuid off on sendmail. I don't know where I can see if it is set on or off. It didn't seem to say anything in the sendmail.cf file or the sendmail.mc file. I am behind a NAT and I guess I should run a DNS server on this machine? I was thinking of just having the server's ip address and name in the server. I don't understand why it is not accessing /etc/hosts to see a list of names/ip addresses. I looked in sendmail.cf and it had this: # my official domain name # ... define this only if sendmail cannot automatically determine your domain DjSHORTNAME.DOMAINNAME # this is equivalent to setting class "t" Ft/etc/mail/trusted-users Troot Tdaemon Tuucp Tapache On 11/6/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 20:14, jones yeates wrote: > > > I also changed /etc/hosts and added SERVER_SHORT_NAME.DOMAIN_NAME to > > it, along with the ip address and the SERVER_SHORT_NAME. The IP > > address that I'm using is the one I see on ifconfig, not the one that > > is seen on a website that shows your computer's ip address. > > > > I get this error: > > Nov 6 18:07:46 [SERVER_SHORT_NAME] sendmail[3774]: NOQUEUE: > > SYSERR(apache): can not chdir(/var/spool/clientmqueue/): Permission > > denied > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ new problem > > Did you turn off setuid on sendmail? It should run as user smmsp > for submissions as specified in /etc/mail/submit.cf and > ls -ld /var/spool/clientmqueue > should show: > drwxrwx--- 2 smmsp smmsp 4096 Nov 6 17:00 /var/spool/clientmqueue > > > I can access the DNS server. I am basing that on the fact that I can > > access websites on the Linux server. > > > > Is there a command that I can use to determine the hostname of my > > server and if it is setup in the DNS properly? > > Normally you should be able to use nslookup with both your > fully qualified domain name and IP address to see if the > values returned are correct, but if you are behind NAT you > need a local DNS server to have the 'internal' addresses. > A hosts file entry will usually work, although sendmail will > try for an MX record and will use one it finds in DNS in > preference to the same name in /etc/hosts. > > But, get permissions right before worrying about this part. > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 7 21:09:45 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:09:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a remote mail server and letting apache have access to it In-Reply-To: <7739b50611071135w5ec3378dkd11ead52975e4ace@mail.gmail.com> References: <7739b50611021604k60458f59x240afff502b450e@mail.gmail.com> <1162525302.3284.91.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611030934h3b4c2696j243df40058bfc264@mail.gmail.com> <7739b50611031141u4837107fi1eb5328844a0354@mail.gmail.com> <1162609813.6121.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611050126r157df78fl1e5c2f1f4da1c3f7@mail.gmail.com> <1162758596.26297.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611061814l10cff43bk9e1f7514973ad00d@mail.gmail.com> <1162868191.32619.24.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611071135w5ec3378dkd11ead52975e4ace@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1162933786.15139.36.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 11:35 -0800, jones yeates wrote: > ls -ld /var/spool/clientmqueue resulted in: > drwxrwx--- 2 smmsp smmsp 4096 Nov 7 04:02 /var/spool/clientmqueue > > -- so that's good. > -- I tried to include apache as a member of the smmsp group and it > still didn't work. So I removed apache from the group. Why is it running as apache at that point? Sendmail should be running as user smmsp when it writes the queue file. > None of the nslookup commands were successful. I tried it with the > server's short name, full name (including domain name) and ip address. > Results are shown below. > > nslookup SHORTNAME resulted in: > ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 10.32.140.1, trying next server > Server: 172.17.6.1 > Address: 172.17.6.1#53 What are you expecting to happen here? Is the machine supposed to be in an official or unofficial DNS domain? If it is, then /etc/resolv.conf should have the domain name to add to your hostname and it should resolve. > ** server can't find SHORTNAME: SERVFAIL > > nslookup SHORTNAME.DOMAINNAME > Server: 10.32.140.1 > Address: 10.32.140.1#53 > > ** server can't find SHORTNAME.DOMAINNAME: NXDOMAIN And in this form you add the domain yourself. > nslookup IP.AD.DRE.SS > Server: 172.17.6.1 > Address: 172.17.6.1#53 > > ** server can't find 208.129.32.10.in-addr.arpa: NXDOMAIN > -------------------------------- If this is a public IP address the reverse lookup must be configured by the owner of the range. If it is private, your local server must be configured to be the primary server for the appropriate in-addr.arpa zone(s). Anyway an entry in /etc/hosts for the address/name will keep sendmail happy. > I am not sure if I turned setuid off on sendmail. I don't know where > I can see if it is set on or off. It didn't seem to say anything in > the sendmail.cf file or the sendmail.mc file. Fedora uses a set of symlinks to manage alternative mailers. Things should look like: # ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail -> /etc/alternatives/mta # ls -l /etc/alternatives/mta /etc/alternatives/mta -> /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail -rwxr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 806456 Jul 20 05:23 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail So it's not setuid - it is setgid and uses the group smmsp permissions to write the queue file which should still work. > I am behind a NAT and I guess I should run a DNS server on this > machine? I was thinking of just having the server's ip address and > name in the server. I don't understand why it is not > accessing /etc/hosts to see a list of names/ip addresses. It will for most things. Nslookup specifically uses DNS. Sendmail normally looks for MX records first, but as long as that fails it will fall back to A records or the hosts file. But, you have to get the queue file written before you'll know what happens next. > I looked in sendmail.cf and it had this: > > # my official domain name > # ... define this only if sendmail cannot automatically determine your > domain > DjSHORTNAME.DOMAINNAME > > # this is equivalent to setting class "t" > Ft/etc/mail/trusted-users > Troot > Tdaemon > Tuucp > Tapache These should match what you set in sendmail.mc - and that's where you should change them if needed. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 7 23:11:57 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:11:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Error Message In-Reply-To: <45509C32.7050103@corbett.k12.or.us> References: <45509C32.7050103@corbett.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <455112BD.80302@mesd.k12.or.us> Derek Jaques wrote: > I have been adding users to our system using an LDAP server with no > problems until recently. Now when I add users I get a funky error message. > > user's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default > session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and > have 644 permission. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and > not write able by other users. Can you do this running as that user: ls -ld $HOME ls -l $HOME/.dmrc Thanks, -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From son.c.to at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 01:08:55 2006 From: son.c.to at gmail.com (Sonny To) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:08:55 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ekiga/gnomemeeting/skype with terminal server Message-ID: <527986330611071708gff714cy4d378463b8f13115@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone gotten videoconferencing with ekiga/gnomemeeting to work? If so please share your experience. what hardware will work with K12Linux? How about skype on Linux? thanks, Sonny From I.Derks at translucent.nl Wed Nov 8 08:04:45 2006 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 09:04:45 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Nic Bonding Errors in dmesg In-Reply-To: <4550A640.50601@paasda.org> References: <4550A640.50601@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1162973085.3233.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Check if the bonding aliases are configured properly. 1) cat /etc/modprobe.conf alias bond0 bonding options bonding mode=6 miimon=100 updelay=15000 alias eth0 e1000 alias eth1 e1000 alias net-pf-10 off alias scsi_hostadapter ips alias usb-controller ohci-hcd 2) cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-bond0 DEVICE=bond0 BOOTPROTO=none ONBOOT=yes NETWORK=192.168.0.0 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 IPADDR=192.168.0.253 USERCTL=no 3) cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes HWADDR=[fill-in-macaddress-here first interface] MASTER=bond0 SLAVE=yes USERCTL=no BOOTPROTO=none 4) cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 DEVICE=eth1 BOOTPROTO=none HWADDR=[fill-in-macaddres second interface here] ONBOOT=yes TYPE=Ethernet MASTER=bond0 SLAVE=yes USERCTL=no succes.... Grtz Immanuel On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 07:29 -0800, Huck wrote: > I get the following: > > [snip] > e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex > e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex > bonding: Error: found a client with no channel in the client's hash table > bonding: Error: found a client with no channel in the client's hash table > bonding: Error: found a client with no channel in the client's hash table > bonding: Error: found a client with no channel in the client's hash table > bonding: Error: found a client with no channel in the client's hash table > bonding: Error: found a client with no channel in the client's hash table > e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex > e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex > bonding: bond0: link status definitely up for interface eth0. > bonding: bond0: making interface eth0 the new active one. > bonding: bond0: link status definitely down for interface eth0, disabling it > bonding: bond0: now running without any active interface ! > e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex > bonding: bond0: link status definitely up for interface eth1. > bonding: bond0: making interface eth1 the new active one. > bonding: bond0: link status definitely down for interface eth1, disabling it > bonding: bond0: now running without any active interface ! > [/snip] > > and if I'm in a terminal...the bonding: Error: found a client with no > channel in the client's hash table > > spams the screen repeatedly then catches it's breath and does it again... > > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Immanuel Derks Translucent Systems From guess.who at freesurf.fr Wed Nov 8 11:09:46 2006 From: guess.who at freesurf.fr (LarryT) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:09:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] enable root login from remote-terminal Message-ID: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> Hi all, I have recently installed K12LTSP 5.0. Login as root from remote terminal seens to be disable. Since my servers are not in the same place where i am, i would like to know how i could enable the root login from remote terminal, please . THX. Larry From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 12:02:52 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:32:52 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] enable root login from remote-terminal In-Reply-To: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> References: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> Message-ID: <774593a20611080402j40f67f7an78d41f4e5e8f38fa@mail.gmail.com> On 08/11/06, LarryT wrote: > Hi all, > I have recently installed K12LTSP 5.0. Login as root from remote > terminal seens to be disable. Since my servers are not in the same place > where i am, i would like to know how i could enable the root login from > remote terminal, please . 1. Should not be. Is port 22 being blocked by firewall? Usually that is the case. 2. Can you log in as another user? If yes set up that user in sudo list and after login run root commands as sudo. HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar From son.c.to at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 13:00:34 2006 From: son.c.to at gmail.com (Sonny To) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:00:34 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] enable root login from remote-terminal In-Reply-To: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> References: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> Message-ID: <527986330611080500u461d167cgd36a9d39731971a3@mail.gmail.com> u should not enable it. its a security risk. ssh into the server as a regular user and su to root On 11/8/06, LarryT wrote: > Hi all, > I have recently installed K12LTSP 5.0. Login as root from remote > terminal seens to be disable. Since my servers are not in the same place > where i am, i would like to know how i could enable the root login from > remote terminal, please . > > THX. > > Larry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 8 13:09:01 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 05:09:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0611071124v621e0cb3n146cb85706525b4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've dealt with Tigerdirect twice and had terrible service both times. In addition to that, of the 4 rebates I submitted for products I ordered from them (rebates which were included in Tiger's advertised price for the components) I received zero. -Rob --- Calvin Dodge wrote: > I'd buy relatively simple components from > Tigerdirect (RAM or hard > drives), but I'd shy away from items like > motherboards or complete > systems. Why? Because if such items are DOA, my > experience is that > you'll get no satisfaction from Tigerdirect. > > In my case, they referred me to the manufacturer > (that's why "direct" > is in the name), and the manufacturer did not > respond to emails OR > voicemails. > > So I ended up salvaging the CPUs and RAM from the 2 > computers, and > tossing out the rest of the components. > > YMMV, of course. > > Calvin Dodge > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From haysja at sages.us Wed Nov 8 14:33:35 2006 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 08:33:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4551EABF.8000401@sages.us> I deal with GlobalGoved, they are part of Tiger Direct. We have a salesperson assigned to us and I can't be any happier with the service we get from them. They are reasonably priced. We have several of their servers - Systemax - here and we like them. I have a couple rackmounts from them that I would recommend for K12LTSP. Don't build your own. By the time you get all the parts, you may have saved $100 but then have all that time and effort to get it fixed. Contact GlobalGovEd and set up an account. You won't be sorry. Rob Owens wrote: > I've dealt with Tigerdirect twice and had terrible > service both times. In addition to that, of the 4 > rebates I submitted for products I ordered from them > (rebates which were included in Tiger's advertised > price for the components) I received zero. > > -Rob > > --- Calvin Dodge wrote: > >> I'd buy relatively simple components from >> Tigerdirect (RAM or hard >> drives), but I'd shy away from items like >> motherboards or complete >> systems. Why? Because if such items are DOA, my >> experience is that >> you'll get no satisfaction from Tigerdirect. >> >> In my case, they referred me to the manufacturer >> (that's why "direct" >> is in the name), and the manufacturer did not >> respond to emails OR >> voicemails. >> >> So I ended up salvaging the CPUs and RAM from the 2 >> computers, and >> tossing out the rest of the components. >> >> YMMV, of course. >> >> Calvin Dodge >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Cheap talk? > Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > http://voice.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator Monticello CUSD#25 #2 Sage Drive Monticello, IL 61856 (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 haysja at sages.us -------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moliveri at rb60.com Wed Nov 8 14:37:04 2006 From: moliveri at rb60.com (Mike Oliveri) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:37:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ekiga/gnomemeeting/skype with terminal server In-Reply-To: <527986330611071708gff714cy4d378463b8f13115@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E09B3@rbexfe.rb60.local> Skype works like a champ on Linux. Can't speak about it working over K12LTSP, though. I would think if you got sound working you'll be okay, but keep in mind the added bandwidth if you're going to have more than a couple people on Skype simultaneously. Mike -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Sonny To Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:09 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] ekiga/gnomemeeting/skype with terminal server Has anyone gotten videoconferencing with ekiga/gnomemeeting to work? If so please share your experience. what hardware will work with K12Linux? How about skype on Linux? thanks, Sonny _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 15:11:03 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:11:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ekiga/gnomemeeting/skype with terminal server In-Reply-To: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E09B3@rbexfe.rb60.local> References: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E09B3@rbexfe.rb60.local> Message-ID: <200611081111.03615.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:37, Mike Oliveri wrote: > Skype works like a champ on Linux. Can't speak about it working over > K12LTSP, though. I would think if you got sound working you'll be okay, > but keep in mind the added bandwidth if you're going to have more than a > couple people on Skype simultaneously. > > Mike > In order to use Skype with K12LTSP you would have to get the microphone input working. Getting sound (output) to work over ESD is fairly straightforward, but I for one don't know how you would get sound (input) working between terminal and server. Running local applications on the terminal could provide two-way sound, but that has it's own complications. If anyone knows how to get two-way sound without local applications on the terminal, I would be overjoyed to hear how it is done. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From guess.who at freesurf.fr Wed Nov 8 15:30:21 2006 From: guess.who at freesurf.fr (LarryT) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:30:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] enable root login from remote-terminal In-Reply-To: <774593a20611080402j40f67f7an78d41f4e5e8f38fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> <774593a20611080402j40f67f7an78d41f4e5e8f38fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4551F80D.9060603@freesurf.fr> Yes Sudev, i can login as all users but not as root. But i will try what John said. tHX Larry Sudev Barar wrote: > On 08/11/06, LarryT wrote: >> Hi all, >> I have recently installed K12LTSP 5.0. Login as root from remote >> terminal seens to be disable. Since my servers are not in the same place >> where i am, i would like to know how i could enable the root login from >> remote terminal, please . > > > 1. Should not be. Is port 22 being blocked by firewall? Usually that > is the case. > 2. Can you log in as another user? If yes set up that user in sudo > list and after login run root commands as sudo. > > HTH > From twolfe at sawback.com Wed Nov 8 14:33:10 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 07:33:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> I deal with Dell, who has always been accommodating with PO's and even ship without PO's on our Net-30 day account here in (normally but not now) sunny Alberta. I've also dealt with Tiger Direct for simple parts and have thought their service was totally fine (but use an air miles credit card and haven't had to deal with the rebate/return end of things yet...). Dell is the same as Tiger Direct though with respect to misc non-Dell-branded items like hard drives, etc: if you have a warranty issue you need to go straight to the manufacturer. ...btw I've given up on the sound for now but am going ahead with the lab. It's about 50-50 the teachers who want sound vs the teachers who don't want sound! Regards, Tom Wolfe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rob Owens Sent: November 8, 2006 06:09 To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] So close.... I've dealt with Tigerdirect twice and had terrible service both times. In addition to that, of the 4 rebates I submitted for products I ordered from them (rebates which were included in Tiger's advertised price for the components) I received zero. -Rob From ericbrow at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 15:41:26 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:41:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is that they will often quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public walking in off the street. Our principal has even resorted to using his personal credit card and purchasing computers to save several hundreds of dollars per machine. We've tried multiple methods of trying to get them to cut us a better deal, but they just won't cooperate very well with us here in Iowa. Eric On 11/8/06, Tom Wolfe wrote: > I deal with Dell, who has always been accommodating with PO's and even ship > without PO's on our Net-30 day account here in (normally but not now) sunny > Alberta. > > I've also dealt with Tiger Direct for simple parts and have thought their > service was totally fine (but use an air miles credit card and haven't had > to deal with the rebate/return end of things yet...). Dell is the same as > Tiger Direct though with respect to misc non-Dell-branded items like hard > drives, etc: if you have a warranty issue you need to go straight to the > manufacturer. > > ...btw I've given up on the sound for now but am going ahead with the lab. > It's about 50-50 the teachers who want sound vs the teachers who don't want > sound! > > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Rob Owens > Sent: November 8, 2006 06:09 > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] So close.... > > I've dealt with Tigerdirect twice and had terrible > service both times. In addition to that, of the 4 > rebates I submitted for products I ordered from them > (rebates which were included in Tiger's advertised > price for the components) I received zero. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From guess.who at freesurf.fr Wed Nov 8 15:47:57 2006 From: guess.who at freesurf.fr (LarryT) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:47:57 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] enable root login from remote-terminal In-Reply-To: <200611080806.32121.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> <200611080806.32121.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4551FC2D.2090006@freesurf.fr> In both kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp i changed the two lines with *true*, but i still have the same "admin is not allowed to login..." Do i need to restart anything for it works ? Regards, Larry John Lucas wrote: > On Wednesday 08 November 2006 07:09, you wrote: >> Hi all, >> I have recently installed K12LTSP 5.0. Login as root from remote >> terminal seens to be disable. Since my servers are not in the same place >> where i am, i would like to know how i could enable the root login from >> remote terminal, please . >> > > You don't say which login manager you are using. I use KDM and in order to > allow root logins I had to manually edit the /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc file and > change *two* lines from: > > AllowRootLogin=false > to > AllowRootLogin=true > > This line appears *twice* in the file, so change both instances. > > If you are using GDM or XDM, then the exact change will be different, but > their configuration is where the change is made. > From guess.who at freesurf.fr Wed Nov 8 15:50:10 2006 From: guess.who at freesurf.fr (LarryT) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:50:10 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] enable root login from remote-terminal In-Reply-To: <527986330611080500u461d167cgd36a9d39731971a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> <527986330611080500u461d167cgd36a9d39731971a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4551FCB2.3040908@freesurf.fr> Sonny, To push icons to all users desktop, and enable fr language to some soft (mozilla or thunderbird, OOo) i need to run those soft as root... afaik (but i may be wrong) :-/ Regards, Larry Sonny To wrote: > u should not enable it. its a security risk. ssh into the server as a > regular user and su to root > > > On 11/8/06, LarryT wrote: >> Hi all, >> I have recently installed K12LTSP 5.0. Login as root from remote >> terminal seens to be disable. Since my servers are not in the same place >> where i am, i would like to know how i could enable the root login from >> remote terminal, please . >> >> THX. >> >> Larry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From marrandy at chaossolutions.org Wed Nov 8 15:51:12 2006 From: marrandy at chaossolutions.org (marrandy) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:51:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:41, Eric Brown wrote: > Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is that they will often > quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public walking in off the > street. Our principal has even resorted to using his personal credit > card and purchasing computers to save several hundreds of dollars per > machine. > > We've tried multiple methods of trying to get them to cut us a better > deal, but they just won't cooperate very well with us here in Iowa. > > Eric How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) of dollars per machine ? What 'machine' are you talking about ? -- Regards...Martin From son.c.to at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 15:53:44 2006 From: son.c.to at gmail.com (Sonny To) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 23:53:44 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] enable root login from remote-terminal In-Reply-To: <4551FCB2.3040908@freesurf.fr> References: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> <527986330611080500u461d167cgd36a9d39731971a3@mail.gmail.com> <4551FCB2.3040908@freesurf.fr> Message-ID: <527986330611080753x31f481cbo8be591f64b4e6ec8@mail.gmail.com> there's probably a commandline way to do that, but I dont know it. If there isn't there should be a commandline way to do that. If you really have to log into root remotely, install vncserver. start vncserver, then connect to it securely using ssh port forwarding. On 11/8/06, LarryT wrote: > Sonny, > To push icons to all users desktop, and enable fr language to some soft > (mozilla or thunderbird, OOo) i need to run those soft as root... afaik > (but i may be wrong) :-/ > > Regards, > Larry > > Sonny To wrote: > > u should not enable it. its a security risk. ssh into the server as a > > regular user and su to root > > > > > > On 11/8/06, LarryT wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> I have recently installed K12LTSP 5.0. Login as root from remote > >> terminal seens to be disable. Since my servers are not in the same place > >> where i am, i would like to know how i could enable the root login from > >> remote terminal, please . > >> > >> THX. > >> > >> Larry > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 8 16:04:48 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 08:04:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] enable root login from remote-terminal In-Reply-To: <4551FC2D.2090006@freesurf.fr> References: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> <200611080806.32121.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <4551FC2D.2090006@freesurf.fr> Message-ID: <45520020.5020209@mesd.k12.or.us> LarryT wrote: > In both kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp i changed the two lines with *true*, but i > still have the same "admin is not allowed to login..." > Do i need to restart anything for it works ? Hmm, gdm has gdm-restart and gdm-safe-restart, but I don't know what the equivalent is for kdm. As long as nobody is logged in, you could do this from the console: # telinit 3 # telinit 5 I wish Fedora ran the display manager as a service in /etc/rc.d/init.d (like Ubuntu) instead of from inittab. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dhbarr at gozelle.com Wed Nov 8 16:12:58 2006 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:12:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> Message-ID: On 11/8/06, marrandy wrote: > On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:41, Eric Brown wrote: > > Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is that they will often > > quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public walking in off the > > street. Our principal has even resorted to using his personal credit > > card and purchasing computers to save several hundreds of dollars per > > machine. > How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) of dollars per machine ? > > What 'machine' are you talking about ? Typically it's not so much (in my experience) that Dell explicitly charges edu/npo -more-, per se. It's just that their pricing structure is heavily dependent on deep discounts, not all of which apply for a particular config in the home/smb/premiere sites. When I was in the nonprofit sector, I would typically end up a) determining what spec machine I wanted, b) carting it up in home and small business desktop and workstation lines, and c) sending the lowest of those four quotes to my representative who would typically match or beat it. It was a tedious process, but could frequently get my desktop orders down several hundred. When you're buying $300 desktops and slapping charity licensing on them though, the wiggle room is fairly small. -dhbarr. From accessys at smart.net Wed Nov 8 16:22:00 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:22:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> Message-ID: biggest problem I have with Dell is they will not sell me a machine without software installed, this is especially a problem with laptops I am 100% windoze free and just don't want to be bothered with licenses etc etc etc. M$ sees the sale and assumes you have bought a license. might be part of the problem with pricing, schools charged more for the software license by M$ Bob On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, David H. Barr wrote: > > On 11/8/06, marrandy wrote: > > On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:41, Eric Brown wrote: > > > Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is that they will often > > > quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public walking in off the > > > street. Our principal has even resorted to using his personal credit > > > card and purchasing computers to save several hundreds of dollars per > > > machine. > > > How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) of dollars per machine ? > > > > What 'machine' are you talking about ? > > Typically it's not so much (in my experience) that Dell explicitly > charges edu/npo -more-, per se. It's just that their pricing > structure is heavily dependent on deep discounts, not all of which > apply for a particular config in the home/smb/premiere sites. > > When I was in the nonprofit sector, I would typically end up a) > determining what spec machine I wanted, b) carting it up in home and > small business desktop and workstation lines, and c) sending the > lowest of those four quotes to my representative who would typically > match or beat it. > > It was a tedious process, but could frequently get my desktop orders > down several hundred. When you're buying $300 desktops and slapping > charity licensing on them though, the wiggle room is fairly small. > > -dhbarr. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO RESPONSE WILL EVER BE GIVEN TO ANY MESSAGE VIA EARTHLINK +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 8 16:25:12 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:25:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] enable root login from remote-terminal In-Reply-To: <45520020.5020209@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> <200611080806.32121.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <4551FC2D.2090006@freesurf.fr> <45520020.5020209@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <455204E8.4050701@maltzen.net> Dan Young wrote: > LarryT wrote: >> In both kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp i changed the two lines with *true*, but i >> still have the same "admin is not allowed to login..." >> Do i need to restart anything for it works ? > > Hmm, gdm has gdm-restart and gdm-safe-restart, but I don't know what the > equivalent is for kdm. As long as nobody is logged in, you could do this > from the console: > > # telinit 3 > # telinit 5 > > I wish Fedora ran the display manager as a service in /etc/rc.d/init.d > (like Ubuntu) instead of from inittab. > Actually, I've noticed that with KDM, root can't login directly even on the console, at least with the default settings. I'll need to figure out how to get around this at some point, but haven't had the time so far. Also, I've posted about how the login screen, aka the KDM greeter, doesn't seem to respond to changes made in the Control Center in KDE. To switch from GDM to KDM, make the change in /etc/sysconfig/desktop and then run gdm-stop; gdm will stop, but then kdm will automatically be started. Petre From ericbrow at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 16:36:58 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:36:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> Message-ID: >How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) of dollars per machine ? > >What 'machine' are you talking about ? It varies depending on the computer we're looking for, and what specials are being offered. For example, at the beginning of the year, I was pricing 4 computers that were going to be used for video editing, so they needed to have some better specifications than the normal workstation. Using school pricing, the computers came to around $3100 per machine. Home user pricing came to $2800 per machine. I ended up purchasing parts from mwave.com, and built slightly better computers for under $1200 each. I had students assist me in assembly, and turned it into a learning project as well. Last year, I remember specifically a $500 price difference on Dell's website for a laptop we were considering. I think it may have to do with the fact that this pricing is under a state negoated contract, and most gropus in education in our state are in very deep with Apple, and have been for decades. I've attended a state educational technology conference the last few years, and each year, Apple is the largest vendor. This year, we even had a writer for MacWorld spread his pro-mac propaganda as a keynote address. I've had to fight to keep apple out of my classroom more than most others have had to fight to keep Windows out. Eric On 11/8/06, marrandy wrote: > On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:41, Eric Brown wrote: > > Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is that they will often > > quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public walking in off the > > street. Our principal has even resorted to using his personal credit > > card and purchasing computers to save several hundreds of dollars per > > machine. > > > > We've tried multiple methods of trying to get them to cut us a better > > deal, but they just won't cooperate very well with us here in Iowa. > > > > Eric > > > > How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) of dollars per machine ? > > What 'machine' are you talking about ? > > -- > Regards...Martin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From marrandy at chaossolutions.org Wed Nov 8 16:39:25 2006 From: marrandy at chaossolutions.org (marrandy) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:39:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> Message-ID: <200611081139.26131.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> On Wednesday 08 November 2006 11:36, Eric Brown wrote: > It varies depending on the computer we're looking for, and what > specials are being offered. For example, at the beginning of the > year, I was pricing 4 computers that were going to be used for video > editing, so they needed to have some better specifications than the > normal workstation. Using school pricing, the computers came to > around $3100 per machine. Home user pricing came to $2800 per > machine. I ended up purchasing parts from mwave.com, and built > slightly better computers for under $1200 each. I had students assist > me in assembly, and turned it into a learning project as well. > > Last year, I remember specifically a $500 price difference on Dell's > website for a laptop we were considering. > > I think it may have to do with the fact that this pricing is under a > state negoated contract, and most gropus in education in our state are > in very deep with Apple, and have been for decades. I've attended a > state educational technology conference the last few years, and each > year, Apple is the largest vendor. This year, we even had a writer > for MacWorld spread his pro-mac propaganda as a keynote address. I've > had to fight to keep apple out of my classroom more than most others > have had to fight to keep Windows out. > > Eric Thanks Eric. Good information to be aware of. Regards...Martin -- Regards...Martin From dhbarr at gozelle.com Wed Nov 8 16:45:44 2006 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:45:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> Message-ID: On 11/8/06, Accessys at smart.net wrote: > On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, David H. Barr wrote: > > > > > On 11/8/06, marrandy wrote: > > > On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:41, Eric Brown wrote: > > > > Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is that they will often > > > > quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public walking in off the > > > > street. Our principal has even resorted to using his personal credit > > > > card and purchasing computers to save several hundreds of dollars per > > > > machine. > > > > > How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) of dollars per machine ? > > > What 'machine' are you talking about ? > > > > When I was in the nonprofit sector, I would typically end up a) > > determining what spec machine I wanted, b) carting it up in home and > > small business desktop and workstation lines, and c) sending the > > lowest of those four quotes to my representative who would typically > > match or beat it. > > biggest problem I have with Dell is they will not sell me a machine > without software installed, this is especially a problem with laptops They -will- sell you a system without a software license, but they will -also- charge you extra for the favor. http://www.dell.com/nseries for the freeDOS systems (nothing installed). The cheapest machine you can get there is about $329 with no floppy or optical: celeron, 256MB, 80GB The cheapest machine you can get elsewhere is about $279 with optical and Windows, sans floppy: sempron, 512MB, 80GB My working theory is that Dell gets a kickback from companies that make all the pre-installed garbage one has to wipe off first thing. -dhbarr. From accessys at smart.net Wed Nov 8 16:54:52 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:54:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, David H. Barr wrote: > On 11/8/06, Accessys at smart.net wrote: > > > > biggest problem I have with Dell is they will not sell me a machine > > without software installed, this is especially a problem with laptops > > They -will- sell you a system without a software license, but they > will -also- charge you extra for the favor. the problem is these are all desktops, I can get Desktops fairly easy from a number of places but try finding a laptop, was getting thinkpads from IBM, but the new owners are not even returning my e-mail. call and get a "I'll have to get back to you on that" but they never do. haven't said no, just haven't said anything. (and it was a MAJOR cost saving from IBM, about $500) Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO RESPONSE WILL EVER BE GIVEN TO ANY MESSAGE VIA EARTHLINK +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From nils at breun.nl Wed Nov 8 17:04:59 2006 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:04:59 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> Message-ID: Bob wrote: > On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, David H. Barr wrote: > >> On 11/8/06, Accessys at smart.net wrote: >>> >>> biggest problem I have with Dell is they will not sell me a machine >>> without software installed, this is especially a problem with >>> laptops >> >> They -will- sell you a system without a software license, but they >> will -also- charge you extra for the favor. > > the problem is these are all desktops, I can get Desktops fairly > easy from > a number of places but try finding a laptop, was getting thinkpads > from > IBM, but the new owners are not even returning my e-mail. call and > get a > "I'll have to get back to you on that" but they never do. haven't said > no, just haven't said anything. (and it was a MAJOR cost saving > from IBM, > about $500) Have you guys seen this story on Slashdot today? Dell Customer Gets Windows Refund http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/08/1358207 Nils Breunese. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 8 17:07:50 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:07:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> Message-ID: <45520EE6.2090703@maltzen.net> David H. Barr wrote: > On 11/8/06, Accessys at smart.net wrote: > >> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, David H. Barr wrote: >> >> > >> > On 11/8/06, marrandy wrote: >> > > On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:41, Eric Brown wrote: >> > > > Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is that they will often >> > > > quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public walking in off >> the >> > > > street. Our principal has even resorted to using his personal >> credit >> > > > card and purchasing computers to save several hundreds of >> dollars per >> > > > machine. >> > >> > > How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) of dollars per >> machine ? >> > > What 'machine' are you talking about ? >> > >> > When I was in the nonprofit sector, I would typically end up a) >> > determining what spec machine I wanted, b) carting it up in home and >> > small business desktop and workstation lines, and c) sending the >> > lowest of those four quotes to my representative who would typically >> > match or beat it. >> >> biggest problem I have with Dell is they will not sell me a machine >> without software installed, this is especially a problem with laptops > > They -will- sell you a system without a software license, but they > will -also- charge you extra for the favor. > > http://www.dell.com/nseries for the freeDOS systems (nothing installed). > > The cheapest machine you can get there is about $329 with no floppy or > optical: celeron, 256MB, 80GB > The cheapest machine you can get elsewhere is about $279 with optical > and Windows, sans floppy: sempron, 512MB, 80GB > > My working theory is that Dell gets a kickback from companies that > make all the pre-installed garbage one has to wipe off first thing. > > -dhbarr. > It's not really a kickback, but rather a price break: MS's standard deal with OEMs is "We'll give you a better discount on Windows if you install nothing but Windows, and offer no other operating systems. We'll even help pay for your magazine ads if you include the phrase 'We recommend Microsoft Windows XP' in the ads. And, as this is a business/trade secret, you are not allowed to disclose this deal, and if you do, you will lose access to all discounts on MS products." These kind of deals came to light during the anti-trust trial. Since computer dealers see mostly demand for Windows anyway, and live with pretty slim margins, accepting this arrangement makes sense. (I saw a blog recently that started by asking if the reader knew the difference between a web browser and an office suite, and it dawned on me that most people, being non-technical, don't.) The OEMs are in it for the money. But it's not good for computing, and it's not good for everyone at large. Petre From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 17:38:11 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 06:38:11 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] enable root login from remote-terminal In-Reply-To: <455204E8.4050701@maltzen.net> References: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> <200611080806.32121.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <4551FC2D.2090006@freesurf.fr> <45520020.5020209@mesd.k12.or.us> <455204E8.4050701@maltzen.net> Message-ID: In Gnome there is a setting for logins that allows you to login to a GUI as root. Check the option allow root login from terminal or something like that. In the same control panel you can change the picture for the terminal login screen etc. I am guessing this is what you are after. On 09/11/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Dan Young wrote: > > LarryT wrote: > >> In both kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp i changed the two lines with *true*, but i > >> still have the same "admin is not allowed to login..." > >> Do i need to restart anything for it works ? > > > > Hmm, gdm has gdm-restart and gdm-safe-restart, but I don't know what the > > equivalent is for kdm. As long as nobody is logged in, you could do this > > from the console: > > > > # telinit 3 > > # telinit 5 > > > > I wish Fedora ran the display manager as a service in /etc/rc.d/init.d > > (like Ubuntu) instead of from inittab. > > > Actually, I've noticed that with KDM, root can't login directly even on > the console, at > least with the default settings. I'll need to figure out how to get > around this at some > point, but haven't had the time so far. Also, I've posted about how the > login screen, > aka the KDM greeter, doesn't seem to respond to changes made in the > Control Center in KDE. > > To switch from GDM to KDM, make the change in /etc/sysconfig/desktop and > then run > gdm-stop; gdm will stop, but then kdm will automatically be started. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick.hadgis at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 17:38:53 2006 From: nick.hadgis at gmail.com (Nick Hadgis) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 09:38:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> Message-ID: <4552162D.5060808@gmail.com> Accessys at smart.net wrote: > biggest problem I have with Dell is they will not sell me a machine > without software installed, this is especially a problem with laptops > > I am 100% windoze free and just don't want to be bothered with licenses > etc etc etc. M$ sees the sale and assumes you have bought a license. > might be part of the problem with pricing, schools charged more for the > software license by M$ > > Bob > Check out this article: Dell customer gets Windows refund http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/110706-dell-windows.html > > > On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, David H. Barr wrote: > > >> On 11/8/06, marrandy wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:41, Eric Brown wrote: >>> >>>> Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is that they will often >>>> quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public walking in off the >>>> street. Our principal has even resorted to using his personal credit >>>> card and purchasing computers to save several hundreds of dollars per >>>> machine. >>>> >>> How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) of dollars per machine ? >>> >>> What 'machine' are you talking about ? >>> >> Typically it's not so much (in my experience) that Dell explicitly >> charges edu/npo -more-, per se. It's just that their pricing >> structure is heavily dependent on deep discounts, not all of which >> apply for a particular config in the home/smb/premiere sites. >> >> When I was in the nonprofit sector, I would typically end up a) >> determining what spec machine I wanted, b) carting it up in home and >> small business desktop and workstation lines, and c) sending the >> lowest of those four quotes to my representative who would typically >> match or beat it. >> >> It was a tedious process, but could frequently get my desktop orders >> down several hundred. When you're buying $300 desktops and slapping >> charity licensing on them though, the wiggle room is fairly small. >> >> -dhbarr. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > NO RESPONSE WILL EVER BE GIVEN TO ANY MESSAGE VIA EARTHLINK > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 8 17:50:31 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:50:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] enable root login from remote-terminal In-Reply-To: References: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> <200611080806.32121.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <4551FC2D.2090006@freesurf.fr> <45520020.5020209@mesd.k12.or.us> <455204E8.4050701@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <455218E7.8030308@maltzen.net> I think control over whether root can login or not is handled by the Display Manager, be it GDM or KDM, not the Desktop (Gnome, KDE). I think you're correct that there is such a setting for GDM, and Gnome gives one access to that setting. But if KDM is being used, I don't think setting that option while in Gnome will have any effect. And so far, I've not been able to find where that setting is under KDM. Petre Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > In Gnome there is a setting for logins that allows you to login to a GUI as > root. Check the option allow root login from terminal or something like > that. In the same control panel you can change the picture for the terminal > login screen etc. > > I am guessing this is what you are after. > > On 09/11/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >> Dan Young wrote: >> > LarryT wrote: >> >> In both kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp i changed the two lines with *true*, >> but i >> >> still have the same "admin is not allowed to login..." >> >> Do i need to restart anything for it works ? >> > >> > Hmm, gdm has gdm-restart and gdm-safe-restart, but I don't know what >> the >> > equivalent is for kdm. As long as nobody is logged in, you could do >> this >> > from the console: >> > >> > # telinit 3 >> > # telinit 5 >> > >> > I wish Fedora ran the display manager as a service in /etc/rc.d/init.d >> > (like Ubuntu) instead of from inittab. >> > >> Actually, I've noticed that with KDM, root can't login directly even on >> the console, at >> least with the default settings. I'll need to figure out how to get >> around this at some >> point, but haven't had the time so far. Also, I've posted about how the >> login screen, >> aka the KDM greeter, doesn't seem to respond to changes made in the >> Control Center in KDE. >> >> To switch from GDM to KDM, make the change in /etc/sysconfig/desktop and >> then run >> gdm-stop; gdm will stop, but then kdm will automatically be started. >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From twolfe at sawback.com Wed Nov 8 17:52:03 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:52:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: Dell will always beat the public web pricing (for me, and I assume they will do the same for others too!) I have asked my sales rep to always ensure this is the case and periodically check up on him. Occasionally I notice he's slipped but 90% of the time he's on the ball; what more can you ask? And, 90% of the time he's BELOW the web pricing, like for a D820 and D420 I recently ordered: he knocked almost $1K off the combined total (which came to almost $5K in the end, that's about 17% discount) if you can believe it. His pricing always includes, for example, the shipping and handling and enviro fees which are not necessarily evident up-front on the web pricing... I have had my struggles with Dell, but I can say the same about all vendors. Regards, Tom Wolfe On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Eric Brown wrote: > Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is that they will often > quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public walking in off the > street. Our principal has even resorted to using his personal credit > card and purchasing computers to save several hundreds of dollars per > machine. > > We've tried multiple methods of trying to get them to cut us a better > deal, but they just won't cooperate very well with us here in Iowa. > > Eric > > On 11/8/06, Tom Wolfe wrote: > > I deal with Dell, who has always been accommodating with PO's and even ship > > without PO's on our Net-30 day account here in (normally but not now) sunny > > Alberta. > > > > I've also dealt with Tiger Direct for simple parts and have thought their > > service was totally fine (but use an air miles credit card and haven't had > > to deal with the rebate/return end of things yet...). Dell is the same as > > Tiger Direct though with respect to misc non-Dell-branded items like hard > > drives, etc: if you have a warranty issue you need to go straight to the > > manufacturer. > > > > ...btw I've given up on the sound for now but am going ahead with the lab. > > It's about 50-50 the teachers who want sound vs the teachers who don't want > > sound! > > > > Regards, > > Tom Wolfe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > > Of Rob Owens > > Sent: November 8, 2006 06:09 > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] So close.... > > > > I've dealt with Tigerdirect twice and had terrible > > service both times. In addition to that, of the 4 > > rebates I submitted for products I ordered from them > > (rebates which were included in Tiger's advertised > > price for the components) I received zero. > > > > -Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From shane.sammons at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 17:52:25 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:52:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! Message-ID: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> Hi all I am new to this stuff, so forgive me if I am making a basic mistakes. I setup a server and spent some time in irc.freenode.net getting some help in #ltsp. Long story short got a server and a thin client working great with a crossover cable connecting Eth0 to Eth0 server -> client. So now I decided to move it to the basement with a switch to attach other systems and see how it does. I am using a dell Plug and Play switch (think its model 2240, i know its a 2000x series, not the managed). I have no touched ANY settings in this switch, it has worked in our network as a fill in when we lost a managed switch. I plugged my server into port 24, and my client into port 1 (neither are shared and I have tried others as well). When I boot the server, I get an error on eth1 as I have no network connection down the basement. That is the only error I get during boot of the server. I then run tail -f /var/log/messages on a terminal as root to ensure my client is getting an address. I then use my floppy to boot a Dell 233 GX1 with 64MB of ram. It starts to boot, gets its DHCP address and tail shows this. For awhile it was slow (I was using a normal cat5 cable at this time on the server) then it would start to boot and I would receive this error: Error! dhcpcd failed! Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! So, I thought perhaps it was a bad cable, replaced both on the client and server, same thing (still normal cat5). Next I decided to try normal on the client and crossover on the server (both still plugged to the switch). The switch is auto sensing and gave me a link light, re-booted the client and watched the tail. Same thing, got my address etc. Same error. Only difference was it was a little quicker at points most specifically obtaining a DHCP address. So, finally I decided to go back to the cross over direct from client to server. This works perfect, no error! Does anyone know what this could be other then a bad NIC? It is the only thing I can guess as this switch is known good, I have tried other ports, and the client starts to boot off the server and then just dies. Considering I tried other cables and they are manufactured not made in house there is a lesser chance they could all be bad. Also, just a side question, does anyone host forums for this project, cause I really can't stand mailing lists, they are antiquated and disorganized and as far as I can see unsearchable. If not, I might start a topic about offer to host one so we can sort and categorize topics, sticky things, and make common answers and guides. Thanks, Shane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 8 17:57:11 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 09:57:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> Message-ID: <45521A77.8040802@paasda.org> Example...they had 'deals' for Dimension 5150's with free 19" LCD's.. for $600...but would not sell them to the school for that price... This has happened twice in my dealings with Dell... I did get 2 sweet rack mounts 1U and 2U servers from them for a great price for their configuration though. --Huck marrandy wrote: > On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:41, Eric Brown wrote: >> Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is that they will often >> quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public walking in off the >> street. Our principal has even resorted to using his personal credit >> card and purchasing computers to save several hundreds of dollars per >> machine. >> >> We've tried multiple methods of trying to get them to cut us a better >> deal, but they just won't cooperate very well with us here in Iowa. >> >> Eric > > > > How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) of dollars per machine ? > > What 'machine' are you talking about ? > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Nov 8 17:56:56 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:56:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <4552162D.5060808@gmail.com> References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> <4552162D.5060808@gmail.com> Message-ID: We always buy Dell servers and never have OS installed. I do all my own installs of the OS. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist Classified Know-Nothing DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Nick Hadgis wrote: > Accessys at smart.net wrote: >> biggest problem I have with Dell is they will not sell me a machine >> without software installed, this is especially a problem with laptops >> >> I am 100% windoze free and just don't want to be bothered with licenses >> etc etc etc. M$ sees the sale and assumes you have bought a license. >> might be part of the problem with pricing, schools charged more for the >> software license by M$ >> >> Bob >> > > Check out this article: > Dell customer gets Windows refund > > http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/110706-dell-windows.html > > >> >> >> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, David H. Barr wrote: >> >> >>> On 11/8/06, marrandy wrote: >>> >>>> On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:41, Eric Brown wrote: >>>> >>>>> Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is that they will often >>>>> quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public walking in off the >>>>> street. Our principal has even resorted to using his personal credit >>>>> card and purchasing computers to save several hundreds of dollars per >>>>> machine. >>>>> >>>> How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) of dollars per machine >>>> ? >>>> >>>> What 'machine' are you talking about ? >>>> >>> Typically it's not so much (in my experience) that Dell explicitly >>> charges edu/npo -more-, per se. It's just that their pricing >>> structure is heavily dependent on deep discounts, not all of which >>> apply for a particular config in the home/smb/premiere sites. >>> >>> When I was in the nonprofit sector, I would typically end up a) >>> determining what spec machine I wanted, b) carting it up in home and >>> small business desktop and workstation lines, and c) sending the >>> lowest of those four quotes to my representative who would typically >>> match or beat it. >>> >>> It was a tedious process, but could frequently get my desktop orders >>> down several hundred. When you're buying $300 desktops and slapping >>> charity licensing on them though, the wiggle room is fairly small. >>> >>> -dhbarr. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> NO RESPONSE WILL EVER BE GIVEN TO ANY MESSAGE VIA EARTHLINK >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >> safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob >> NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net >> NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers >> NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right >> *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# >> THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be >> privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From guess.who at freesurf.fr Wed Nov 8 17:59:23 2006 From: guess.who at freesurf.fr (LarryT) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 18:59:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] enable root login from remote-terminal [solved] In-Reply-To: References: <4551BAFA.8040906@freesurf.fr> <200611080806.32121.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <4551FC2D.2090006@freesurf.fr> <45520020.5020209@mesd.k12.or.us> <455204E8.4050701@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45521AFB.3050105@freesurf.fr> Nice shot ! Exactly : Fedora/system/admin/login screen then security and check "Allow remote system admin login" thank you ! REgards, Larry Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > In Gnome there is a setting for logins that allows you to login to a GUI > as root. Check the option allow root login from terminal or something > like that. In the same control panel you can change the picture for the > terminal login screen etc. > > I am guessing this is what you are after. > > On 09/11/06, *Petre Scheie* > wrote: > > Dan Young wrote: > > LarryT wrote: > >> In both kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp i changed the two lines with > *true*, but i > >> still have the same "admin is not allowed to login..." > >> Do i need to restart anything for it works ? > > > > Hmm, gdm has gdm-restart and gdm-safe-restart, but I don't know > what the > > equivalent is for kdm. As long as nobody is logged in, you could > do this > > from the console: > > > > # telinit 3 > > # telinit 5 > > > > I wish Fedora ran the display manager as a service in > /etc/rc.d/init.d > > (like Ubuntu) instead of from inittab. > > > Actually, I've noticed that with KDM, root can't login directly even > on the console, at > least with the default settings. I'll need to figure out how to get > around this at some > point, but haven't had the time so far. Also, I've posted about how > the login screen, > aka the KDM greeter, doesn't seem to respond to changes made in the > Control Center in KDE. > > To switch from GDM to KDM, make the change in /etc/sysconfig/desktop > and then run > gdm-stop; gdm will stop, but then kdm will automatically be started. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From chan at sacredsf.org Wed Nov 8 18:42:21 2006 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:42:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] ekiga/gnomemeeting/skype with terminal server In-Reply-To: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E09B3@rbexfe.rb60.local> References: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E09B3@rbexfe.rb60.local> Message-ID: re: Skype It's not entirely clear from the site. Is the conference call feature free or one of the paid features? -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Director of Technology Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From mel at melwade.com Wed Nov 8 18:54:26 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:54:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> Message-ID: <43080f460611081054m1937d395y5301ab523343de7a@mail.gmail.com> Good advice. One of the big reasons to buy through the corporate channel is that you get corporate support vs. home support. Big difference is service. Mel On 11/8/06, David H. Barr wrote: > > On 11/8/06, marrandy wrote: > > On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:41, Eric Brown wrote: > > > Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is that they will often > > > quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public walking in off the > > > street. Our principal has even resorted to using his personal credit > > > card and purchasing computers to save several hundreds of dollars per > > > machine. > > > How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) of dollars per machine > ? > > > > What 'machine' are you talking about ? > > Typically it's not so much (in my experience) that Dell explicitly > charges edu/npo -more-, per se. It's just that their pricing > structure is heavily dependent on deep discounts, not all of which > apply for a particular config in the home/smb/premiere sites. > > When I was in the nonprofit sector, I would typically end up a) > determining what spec machine I wanted, b) carting it up in home and > small business desktop and workstation lines, and c) sending the > lowest of those four quotes to my representative who would typically > match or beat it. > > It was a tedious process, but could frequently get my desktop orders > down several hundred. When you're buying $300 desktops and slapping > charity licensing on them though, the wiggle room is fairly small. > > -dhbarr. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 8 19:04:31 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:04:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45522A3F.9050906@maltzen.net> Shane Sammons wrote: > Also, just a side question, does anyone host forums for this project, cause > I really can't stand mailing lists, they are antiquated and disorganized > and > as far as I can see unsearchable. If not, I might start a topic about offer > to host one so we can sort and categorize topics, sticky things, and make > common answers and guides. > > Thanks, > Shane > Both www.k12ltsp.org and www.ltsp.org already have wikis to which anyone can post answers, guides, etc., and everyone is encouraged to add to it. Searching the mailing list is simple via google; there's even a mention of how to do it on the K12LTSP wiki (http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/How%20to%20search%20the%20mailing%20list%20archives) The problem with forums is you have to actively go to them to interact with the project; mailing lists allow the project to be sent to you passively, so to speak. The question has come up before, but so far most people have opted to stay with the mailing list. Nevertheless, you are welcome to setup such a forum, but I'm not sure you'll attract the critical mass of people (I'd love to be proven wrong). Petre From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 8 19:23:19 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:23:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163013799.24034.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 12:52 -0500, Shane Sammons wrote: > I plugged my server into port 24, and my client into port 1 (neither > are shared and I have tried others as well). When I boot the server, I > get an error on eth1 as I have no network connection down the > basement. That is the only error I get during boot of the server. I > then run tail -f /var/log/messages on a terminal as root to ensure my > client is getting an address. I then use my floppy to boot a Dell 233 > GX1 with 64MB of ram. It starts to boot, gets its DHCP address and > tail shows this. For awhile it was slow (I was using a normal cat5 > cable at this time on the server) then it would start to boot and I > would receive this error: > Error! dhcpcd failed! > Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! This sounds like a bad switch to me - can you borrow something else to try? The only difference you should see between a switch and a crossover cable is a slight delay as the switch does spanning-tree when a connection comes up. However, this should affect getting an address if anything, not loading the kernel. By the way, a GX1 should boot via PXE without the floppy if you do a flash bios update (download from the dell support site). I guess there could be a problem with the NIC negotiation with the switch. Can you tell if you are getting a 100M, full duplex connection from the switch lights? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Wed Nov 8 19:29:56 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:29:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611081329.56260.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> This is how I would TS the problem. You might have a cabling problem with the cable that goes down to the basement or a switch probelm. I would get the client, server and switch and two verified cables together on ONE table and hook it as client -> switch -> server and try it again. If it connects then bad cable going down to basement, else bad switch. -ray On Wednesday 08 November 2006 11:52, Shane Sammons wrote: > Hi all I am new to this stuff, so forgive me if I am making a basic > mistakes. > > I setup a server and spent some time in irc.freenode.net getting some help > in #ltsp. Long story short got a server and a thin client working great > with a crossover cable connecting Eth0 to Eth0 server -> client. > > So now I decided to move it to the basement with a switch to attach other > systems and see how it does. I am using a dell Plug and Play switch (think > its model 2240, i know its a 2000x series, not the managed). I have no > touched ANY settings in this switch, it has worked in our network as a fill > in when we lost a managed switch. > > I plugged my server into port 24, and my client into port 1 (neither are > shared and I have tried others as well). When I boot the server, I get an > error on eth1 as I have no network connection down the basement. That is > the only error I get during boot of the server. I then run tail -f > /var/log/messages on a terminal as root to ensure my client is getting an > address. I then use my floppy to boot a Dell 233 GX1 with 64MB of ram. It > starts to boot, gets its DHCP address and tail shows this. For awhile it > was slow (I was using a normal cat5 cable at this time on the server) then > it would start to boot and I would receive this error: > Error! dhcpcd failed! > Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > > So, I thought perhaps it was a bad cable, replaced both on the client and > server, same thing (still normal cat5). Next I decided to try normal on the > client and crossover on the server (both still plugged to the switch). The > switch is auto sensing and gave me a link light, re-booted the client and > watched the tail. Same thing, got my address etc. Same error. Only > difference was it was a little quicker at points most specifically > obtaining a DHCP address. > > So, finally I decided to go back to the cross over direct from client to > server. This works perfect, no error! Does anyone know what this could be > other then a bad NIC? It is the only thing I can guess as this switch is > known good, I have tried other ports, and the client starts to boot off the > server and then just dies. Considering I tried other cables and they are > manufactured not made in house there is a lesser chance they could all be > bad. > > Also, just a side question, does anyone host forums for this project, cause > I really can't stand mailing lists, they are antiquated and disorganized > and as far as I can see unsearchable. If not, I might start a topic about > offer to host one so we can sort and categorize topics, sticky things, and > make common answers and guides. > > Thanks, > Shane From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Wed Nov 8 19:29:20 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:29:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611081329.20835.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> This is how I would TS the problem. You might have a cabling problem with the cable that goes down to the basement or a switch probelm. I would get the client, server and switch and two verified cables together on ONE table and hook it as client -> switch -> server and try it again. If it connects then bad cable going down to basement, else bad switch. -ray On Wednesday 08 November 2006 11:52, Shane Sammons wrote: > Hi all I am new to this stuff, so forgive me if I am making a basic > mistakes. > > I setup a server and spent some time in irc.freenode.net getting some help > in #ltsp. Long story short got a server and a thin client working great > with a crossover cable connecting Eth0 to Eth0 server -> client. > > So now I decided to move it to the basement with a switch to attach other > systems and see how it does. I am using a dell Plug and Play switch (think > its model 2240, i know its a 2000x series, not the managed). I have no > touched ANY settings in this switch, it has worked in our network as a fill > in when we lost a managed switch. > > I plugged my server into port 24, and my client into port 1 (neither are > shared and I have tried others as well). When I boot the server, I get an > error on eth1 as I have no network connection down the basement. That is > the only error I get during boot of the server. I then run tail -f > /var/log/messages on a terminal as root to ensure my client is getting an > address. I then use my floppy to boot a Dell 233 GX1 with 64MB of ram. It > starts to boot, gets its DHCP address and tail shows this. For awhile it > was slow (I was using a normal cat5 cable at this time on the server) then > it would start to boot and I would receive this error: > Error! dhcpcd failed! > Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > > So, I thought perhaps it was a bad cable, replaced both on the client and > server, same thing (still normal cat5). Next I decided to try normal on the > client and crossover on the server (both still plugged to the switch). The > switch is auto sensing and gave me a link light, re-booted the client and > watched the tail. Same thing, got my address etc. Same error. Only > difference was it was a little quicker at points most specifically > obtaining a DHCP address. > > So, finally I decided to go back to the cross over direct from client to > server. This works perfect, no error! Does anyone know what this could be > other then a bad NIC? It is the only thing I can guess as this switch is > known good, I have tried other ports, and the client starts to boot off the > server and then just dies. Considering I tried other cables and they are > manufactured not made in house there is a lesser chance they could all be > bad. > > Also, just a side question, does anyone host forums for this project, cause > I really can't stand mailing lists, they are antiquated and disorganized > and as far as I can see unsearchable. If not, I might start a topic about > offer to host one so we can sort and categorize topics, sticky things, and > make common answers and guides. > > Thanks, > Shane From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Wed Nov 8 19:23:40 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:23:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611081323.40592.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> This is how I would TS the problem. You might have a cabling problem with the cable that goes down to the basement or a switch probelm. I would get the client, server and switch and two verified cables together on ONE table and hook it as client -> switch -> server and try it again. If it connects then bad cable going down to basement, else bad switch. -ray On Wednesday 08 November 2006 11:52, Shane Sammons wrote: > Hi all I am new to this stuff, so forgive me if I am making a basic > mistakes. > > I setup a server and spent some time in irc.freenode.net getting some help > in #ltsp. Long story short got a server and a thin client working great > with a crossover cable connecting Eth0 to Eth0 server -> client. > > So now I decided to move it to the basement with a switch to attach other > systems and see how it does. I am using a dell Plug and Play switch (think > its model 2240, i know its a 2000x series, not the managed). I have no > touched ANY settings in this switch, it has worked in our network as a fill > in when we lost a managed switch. > > I plugged my server into port 24, and my client into port 1 (neither are > shared and I have tried others as well). When I boot the server, I get an > error on eth1 as I have no network connection down the basement. That is > the only error I get during boot of the server. I then run tail -f > /var/log/messages on a terminal as root to ensure my client is getting an > address. I then use my floppy to boot a Dell 233 GX1 with 64MB of ram. It > starts to boot, gets its DHCP address and tail shows this. For awhile it > was slow (I was using a normal cat5 cable at this time on the server) then > it would start to boot and I would receive this error: > Error! dhcpcd failed! > Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > > So, I thought perhaps it was a bad cable, replaced both on the client and > server, same thing (still normal cat5). Next I decided to try normal on the > client and crossover on the server (both still plugged to the switch). The > switch is auto sensing and gave me a link light, re-booted the client and > watched the tail. Same thing, got my address etc. Same error. Only > difference was it was a little quicker at points most specifically > obtaining a DHCP address. > > So, finally I decided to go back to the cross over direct from client to > server. This works perfect, no error! Does anyone know what this could be > other then a bad NIC? It is the only thing I can guess as this switch is > known good, I have tried other ports, and the client starts to boot off the > server and then just dies. Considering I tried other cables and they are > manufactured not made in house there is a lesser chance they could all be > bad. > > Also, just a side question, does anyone host forums for this project, cause > I really can't stand mailing lists, they are antiquated and disorganized > and as far as I can see unsearchable. If not, I might start a topic about > offer to host one so we can sort and categorize topics, sticky things, and > make common answers and guides. > > Thanks, > Shane From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Wed Nov 8 19:34:24 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:34:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <200611081323.40592.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> <200611081323.40592.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <200611081334.24922.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Opps, Sorry for the multiple posts. I had Kmail configured incorrectly for sending. On Wednesday 08 November 2006 13:23, Ray Garza wrote: > This is how I would TS the problem. > > You might have a cabling problem with the cable that goes down to the > basement or a switch probelm. I would get the client, server and switch and > two verified cables together on ONE table and hook it as client -> switch > -> server and try it again. If it connects then bad cable going down to > basement, else bad switch. > > -ray > > On Wednesday 08 November 2006 11:52, Shane Sammons wrote: > > Hi all I am new to this stuff, so forgive me if I am making a basic > > mistakes. > > > > I setup a server and spent some time in irc.freenode.net getting some > > help in #ltsp. Long story short got a server and a thin client working > > great with a crossover cable connecting Eth0 to Eth0 server -> client. > > > > So now I decided to move it to the basement with a switch to attach other > > systems and see how it does. I am using a dell Plug and Play switch > > (think its model 2240, i know its a 2000x series, not the managed). I > > have no touched ANY settings in this switch, it has worked in our network > > as a fill in when we lost a managed switch. > > > > I plugged my server into port 24, and my client into port 1 (neither are > > shared and I have tried others as well). When I boot the server, I get an > > error on eth1 as I have no network connection down the basement. That is > > the only error I get during boot of the server. I then run tail -f > > /var/log/messages on a terminal as root to ensure my client is getting an > > address. I then use my floppy to boot a Dell 233 GX1 with 64MB of ram. It > > starts to boot, gets its DHCP address and tail shows this. For awhile it > > was slow (I was using a normal cat5 cable at this time on the server) > > then it would start to boot and I would receive this error: > > Error! dhcpcd failed! > > Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > > > > So, I thought perhaps it was a bad cable, replaced both on the client and > > server, same thing (still normal cat5). Next I decided to try normal on > > the client and crossover on the server (both still plugged to the > > switch). The switch is auto sensing and gave me a link light, re-booted > > the client and watched the tail. Same thing, got my address etc. Same > > error. Only difference was it was a little quicker at points most > > specifically obtaining a DHCP address. > > > > So, finally I decided to go back to the cross over direct from client to > > server. This works perfect, no error! Does anyone know what this could be > > other then a bad NIC? It is the only thing I can guess as this switch is > > known good, I have tried other ports, and the client starts to boot off > > the server and then just dies. Considering I tried other cables and they > > are manufactured not made in house there is a lesser chance they could > > all be bad. > > > > Also, just a side question, does anyone host forums for this project, > > cause I really can't stand mailing lists, they are antiquated and > > disorganized and as far as I can see unsearchable. If not, I might start > > a topic about offer to host one so we can sort and categorize topics, > > sticky things, and make common answers and guides. > > > > Thanks, > > Shane > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From shane.sammons at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 19:34:45 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:34:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <45522A3F.9050906@maltzen.net> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> <45522A3F.9050906@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <3610bbec0611081134o10a6c378jf31e0b7ddfe89e1a@mail.gmail.com> Petre, Thanks for the side questions feedback. I will consider it, as I think it could be proactively organized and help develop good Wiki articles and such. I see the point where a mailing list lets you sit in just your email client, which makes it easy to interact with. But I do know you can "subscribe" to specific forums topics and such. So perhaps I will give it a shot, as I would like to help for once with a project in some way, and I am not a great programmer or anything. P.S. Hopefully the Google tip will let me find an answer to my question, because it is driving me nuts, perhaps I can switch NICs and see. On 11/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Shane Sammons wrote: > > Also, just a side question, does anyone host forums for this project, > cause > > I really can't stand mailing lists, they are antiquated and disorganized > > and > > as far as I can see unsearchable. If not, I might start a topic about > offer > > to host one so we can sort and categorize topics, sticky things, and > make > > common answers and guides. > > > > Thanks, > > Shane > > > Both www.k12ltsp.org and www.ltsp.org already have wikis to which anyone > can post > answers, guides, etc., and everyone is encouraged to add to it. Searching > the mailing > list is simple via google; there's even a mention of how to do it on the > K12LTSP wiki > ( > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/How%20to%20search%20the%20mailing%20list%20archives > ) > > The problem with forums is you have to actively go to them to interact > with the project; > mailing lists allow the project to be sent to you passively, so to > speak. The question > has come up before, but so far most people have opted to stay with the > mailing list. > Nevertheless, you are welcome to setup such a forum, but I'm not sure > you'll attract the > critical mass of people (I'd love to be proven wrong). > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shane.sammons at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 19:57:54 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:57:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611081134o10a6c378jf31e0b7ddfe89e1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> <45522A3F.9050906@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611081134o10a6c378jf31e0b7ddfe89e1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3610bbec0611081157v633545ffka7fa2cf1c57cdf6b@mail.gmail.com> Ray and Les: Ray I updated the bios to A10 from A01, PXE failed to get DHCP, I will have write down the error. When I said I moved it down the basement, I mean all of it, the switch sits on the TC and the server sits under the table. Both the TC Mon, Key, and Mouse are next to the servers. I am 99.9% sure that switch is 100% because we just got 3coms about 30 days again to "fix" the network as they could be managed and vlan properly, but the Dells were joining an MDF (where this one was from) and an IDF via Fiber SCF (or SFC) transceivers, and this switch in the MDF fed into our passport over a cross over. I will try with a 10T Hub I have, and if I can grab my little 5 port 10/100 Switch I can try with that. As for the link connectvity, yes the switch shows "green" which is the 100Mb connectivy, Orange is 10. I will run back down and see what else I can write down and give you...sucks I have no network connection down there, tried to run one, but the cable was too short and I have no cable here(yet I have the crimper and ends :P ). On 11/8/06, Shane Sammons wrote: > > Petre, > Thanks for the side questions feedback. I will consider it, as I think it > could be proactively organized and help develop good Wiki articles and such. > I see the point where a mailing list lets you sit in just your email client, > which makes it easy to interact with. But I do know you can "subscribe" to > specific forums topics and such. So perhaps I will give it a shot, as I > would like to help for once with a project in some way, and I am not a great > programmer or anything. > > P.S. Hopefully the Google tip will let me find an answer to my question, > because it is driving me nuts, perhaps I can switch NICs and see. > > On 11/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > > Shane Sammons wrote: > > > Also, just a side question, does anyone host forums for this project, > > cause > > > I really can't stand mailing lists, they are antiquated and > > disorganized > > > and > > > as far as I can see unsearchable. If not, I might start a topic about > > offer > > > to host one so we can sort and categorize topics, sticky things, and > > make > > > common answers and guides. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Shane > > > > > Both www.k12ltsp.org and www.ltsp.org already have wikis to which anyone > > can post > > answers, guides, etc., and everyone is encouraged to add to > > it. Searching the mailing > > list is simple via google; there's even a mention of how to do it on the > > K12LTSP wiki > > ( > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/How%20to%20search%20the%20mailing%20list%20archives > > ) > > > > The problem with forums is you have to actively go to them to interact > > with the project; > > mailing lists allow the project to be sent to you passively, so to > > speak. The question > > has come up before, but so far most people have opted to stay with the > > mailing list. > > Nevertheless, you are welcome to setup such a forum, but I'm not sure > > you'll attract the > > critical mass of people (I'd love to be proven wrong). > > > > Petre > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 8 20:20:55 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:20:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611081157v633545ffka7fa2cf1c57cdf6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> <45522A3F.9050906@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611081134o10a6c378jf31e0b7ddfe89e1a@mail.gmail.com> <3610bbec0611081157v633545ffka7fa2cf1c57cdf6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45523C27.2020205@maltzen.net> I would go straight to trying the little five port 10/100 switch. It's easy, there's no (mis-)configuration to get in the way, and they almost always work in my experience. 10/100/1000 switches are another matter. Petre Shane Sammons wrote: > Ray and Les: > > Ray I updated the bios to A10 from A01, PXE failed to get DHCP, I will have > write down the error. > > When I said I moved it down the basement, I mean all of it, the switch sits > on the TC and the server sits under the table. Both the TC Mon, Key, and > Mouse are next to the servers. > > I am 99.9% sure that switch is 100% because we just got 3coms about 30 days > again to "fix" the network as they could be managed and vlan properly, but > the Dells were joining an MDF (where this one was from) and an IDF via > Fiber > SCF (or SFC) transceivers, and this switch in the MDF fed into our passport > over a cross over. I will try with a 10T Hub I have, and if I can grab my > little 5 port 10/100 Switch I can try with that. > > As for the link connectvity, yes the switch shows "green" which is the > 100Mb > connectivy, Orange is 10. > > I will run back down and see what else I can write down and give > you...sucks > I have no network connection down there, tried to run one, but the cable > was > too short and I have no cable here(yet I have the crimper and ends :P ). > > On 11/8/06, Shane Sammons wrote: >> >> Petre, >> Thanks for the side questions feedback. I will consider it, as I think it >> could be proactively organized and help develop good Wiki articles and >> such. >> I see the point where a mailing list lets you sit in just your email >> client, >> which makes it easy to interact with. But I do know you can >> "subscribe" to >> specific forums topics and such. So perhaps I will give it a shot, as I >> would like to help for once with a project in some way, and I am not a >> great >> programmer or anything. >> >> P.S. Hopefully the Google tip will let me find an answer to my question, >> because it is driving me nuts, perhaps I can switch NICs and see. >> >> On 11/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >> > >> > Shane Sammons wrote: >> > > Also, just a side question, does anyone host forums for this project, >> > cause >> > > I really can't stand mailing lists, they are antiquated and >> > disorganized >> > > and >> > > as far as I can see unsearchable. If not, I might start a topic about >> > offer >> > > to host one so we can sort and categorize topics, sticky things, and >> > make >> > > common answers and guides. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Shane >> > > >> > Both www.k12ltsp.org and www.ltsp.org already have wikis to which >> anyone >> > can post >> > answers, guides, etc., and everyone is encouraged to add to >> > it. Searching the mailing >> > list is simple via google; there's even a mention of how to do it on >> the >> > K12LTSP wiki >> > ( >> > >> http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/How%20to%20search%20the%20mailing%20list%20archives >> >> > ) >> > >> > The problem with forums is you have to actively go to them to interact >> > with the project; >> > mailing lists allow the project to be sent to you passively, so to >> > speak. The question >> > has come up before, but so far most people have opted to stay with the >> > mailing list. >> > Nevertheless, you are welcome to setup such a forum, but I'm not sure >> > you'll attract the >> > critical mass of people (I'd love to be proven wrong). >> > >> > Petre >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 20:49:34 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:49:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients with 256Mb? Message-ID: <9bd317560611081249s3ad8bd8cpc35dfb8ac681ed1d@mail.gmail.com> any one have some suggestions for thin clients that come with 256 ram? Looking ahead to muekow and local apps. or should we be thinking about even more than 256 for that purpose? Thanks, Peter From shane.sammons at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 21:07:04 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:07:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <45523C27.2020205@maltzen.net> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> <45522A3F.9050906@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611081134o10a6c378jf31e0b7ddfe89e1a@mail.gmail.com> <3610bbec0611081157v633545ffka7fa2cf1c57cdf6b@mail.gmail.com> <45523C27.2020205@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <3610bbec0611081307j1b784887ofd2e3aab1d8936d3@mail.gmail.com> Well it seems i found the problem...now I need someone's help with why. The switch is actually a Dell Power Connect 3324. It is working fine, however it appears the switch issues an error and resets the switch somehow, and it seems to be when the client tries to connect to the server. Here is the console output of the switch. Could anyone suggest what to look at on the server? I used a 10 Port 10Mb Asante Hub and it worked fine. Segment where the error occurs on the Dell Switch Console: 01-Jan-2000 01:01:46 %STP-W-PORTSTATUS: 1/e1: STP status Forwarding 01-Jan-2000 01:01:46 %STP-W-PORTSTATUS: 1/e13: STP status Forwarding 01-Jan-2000 01:01:58 %LINK-W-Down: 1/e13 01-Jan-2000 01:02:00 %LINK-I-Up: 1/e13 01-Jan-2000 01:02:09 %TFTP-A-TftpTxERROR: An error message was sent: 0 01-Jan-2000 01:02:10 %LINK-W-Down: 1/e13 01-Jan-2000 01:02:12 %LINK-I-Up: 1/e13 ************************************************** ***************** SYSTEM RESET ***************** ************************************************** ===End the Log Above=== Right now this is only a trial of it, but I have these switches is other places and would like to know that they can be used as I have 2 free and the are 10/100 switches with 2 10/100/1000 Connectors or SFP modules. On 11/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > I would go straight to trying the little five port 10/100 switch. It's > easy, there's no > (mis-)configuration to get in the way, and they almost always work in my > experience. > 10/100/1000 switches are another matter. > > Petre > > Shane Sammons wrote: > > Ray and Les: > > > > Ray I updated the bios to A10 from A01, PXE failed to get DHCP, I will > have > > write down the error. > > > > When I said I moved it down the basement, I mean all of it, the switch > sits > > on the TC and the server sits under the table. Both the TC Mon, Key, and > > Mouse are next to the servers. > > > > I am 99.9% sure that switch is 100% because we just got 3coms about 30 > days > > again to "fix" the network as they could be managed and vlan properly, > but > > the Dells were joining an MDF (where this one was from) and an IDF via > > Fiber > > SCF (or SFC) transceivers, and this switch in the MDF fed into our > passport > > over a cross over. I will try with a 10T Hub I have, and if I can grab > my > > little 5 port 10/100 Switch I can try with that. > > > > As for the link connectvity, yes the switch shows "green" which is the > > 100Mb > > connectivy, Orange is 10. > > > > I will run back down and see what else I can write down and give > > you...sucks > > I have no network connection down there, tried to run one, but the cable > > was > > too short and I have no cable here(yet I have the crimper and ends :P ). > > > > On 11/8/06, Shane Sammons wrote: > >> > >> Petre, > >> Thanks for the side questions feedback. I will consider it, as I think > it > >> could be proactively organized and help develop good Wiki articles and > >> such. > >> I see the point where a mailing list lets you sit in just your email > >> client, > >> which makes it easy to interact with. But I do know you can > >> "subscribe" to > >> specific forums topics and such. So perhaps I will give it a shot, as I > >> would like to help for once with a project in some way, and I am not a > >> great > >> programmer or anything. > >> > >> P.S. Hopefully the Google tip will let me find an answer to my > question, > >> because it is driving me nuts, perhaps I can switch NICs and see. > >> > >> On 11/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> > > >> > Shane Sammons wrote: > >> > > Also, just a side question, does anyone host forums for this > project, > >> > cause > >> > > I really can't stand mailing lists, they are antiquated and > >> > disorganized > >> > > and > >> > > as far as I can see unsearchable. If not, I might start a topic > about > >> > offer > >> > > to host one so we can sort and categorize topics, sticky things, > and > >> > make > >> > > common answers and guides. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > Shane > >> > > > >> > Both www.k12ltsp.org and www.ltsp.org already have wikis to which > >> anyone > >> > can post > >> > answers, guides, etc., and everyone is encouraged to add to > >> > it. Searching the mailing > >> > list is simple via google; there's even a mention of how to do it on > >> the > >> > K12LTSP wiki > >> > ( > >> > > >> > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/How%20to%20search%20the%20mailing%20list%20archives > >> > >> > ) > >> > > >> > The problem with forums is you have to actively go to them to > interact > >> > with the project; > >> > mailing lists allow the project to be sent to you passively, so to > >> > speak. The question > >> > has come up before, but so far most people have opted to stay with > the > >> > mailing list. > >> > Nevertheless, you are welcome to setup such a forum, but I'm not sure > >> > you'll attract the > >> > critical mass of people (I'd love to be proven wrong). > >> > > >> > Petre > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > K12OSN mailing list > >> > K12OSN at redhat.com > >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> > For more info see > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 8 21:16:09 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:16:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611081307j1b784887ofd2e3aab1d8936d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> <45522A3F.9050906@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611081134o10a6c378jf31e0b7ddfe89e1a@mail.gmail.com> <3610bbec0611081157v633545ffka7fa2cf1c57cdf6b@mail.gmail.com> <45523C27.2020205@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611081307j1b784887ofd2e3aab1d8936d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45524919.1070202@mesd.k12.or.us> Shane Sammons wrote: > Well it seems i found the problem...now I need someone's help with why. The > switch is actually a Dell Power Connect 3324. It is working fine, > however it ... > 01-Jan-2000 01:02:09 %TFTP-A-TftpTxERROR: An error message was sent: 0 > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed Nov 8 21:37:11 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:37:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <45524919.1070202@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> <45522A3F.9050906@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611081134o10a6c378jf31e0b7ddfe89e1a@mail.gmail.com> <3610bbec0611081157v633545ffka7fa2cf1c57cdf6b@mail.gmail.com> <45523C27.2020205@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611081307j1b784887ofd2e3aab1d8936d3@mail.gmail.com> <45524919.1070202@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45524E07.90304@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shane.sammons at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 21:49:33 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:49:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <45524E07.90304@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> <45522A3F.9050906@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611081134o10a6c378jf31e0b7ddfe89e1a@mail.gmail.com> <3610bbec0611081157v633545ffka7fa2cf1c57cdf6b@mail.gmail.com> <45523C27.2020205@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611081307j1b784887ofd2e3aab1d8936d3@mail.gmail.com> <45524919.1070202@mesd.k12.or.us> <45524E07.90304@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <3610bbec0611081349r10f56423g55179bda30fd13b9@mail.gmail.com> I honestly can't say, I searched the documentation CD for its IP address, and I did not notice a default one, only how to use the console to change it. I am home now, so I can not do anything with it, but perhaps I can try adjusting the factory default IP to a new IP and see if that makes a difference. Any other reason it could cause a whole switch to reboot? On 11/8/06, Joe Guenther wrote: > > I also use the same Dell switch for my LTSP install. I had the same DHCP > failure until I set every port in the Dell switch to fast link. The switch > is checking for spanning tree redundant links or circular paths. thus by > the time the switch is done its checking, the dhcp has given up and quit. > Set all the ports connected to end devices to fast link ... under the > spanning tree configuration ... and life will be good again. > > Joe Guenther > LANtech - Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > Dan Young wrote: > > Shane Sammons wrote: > > Well it seems i found the problem...now I need someone's help with why. The > switch is actually a Dell Power Connect 3324. It is working fine, > however it > > ... > > 01-Jan-2000 01:02:09 %TFTP-A-TftpTxERROR: An error message was sent: 0 > > http://www.google.com/search?q=TFTP+A+TftpTxERROR > > The only hits are on the Dell forums in regards to failed TFTP uploads > to the switch itself. > > Does the IP of the switch conflict with the IP of the terminal? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From accessys at smart.net Thu Nov 9 01:10:02 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:10:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: References: <20061108130901.74608.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200611081532.kA8FWuG2026454@mx3.redhat.com> <200611081051.12723.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> <4552162D.5060808@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: > We always buy Dell servers and never have OS installed. almost all servers are avaliable without OS, but try getting a laptop Bob > > I do all my own installs of the OS. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > Classified Know-Nothing > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Nick Hadgis wrote: > > > Accessys at smart.net wrote: > >> biggest problem I have with Dell is they will not sell me a machine > >> without software installed, this is especially a problem with laptops > >> > >> I am 100% windoze free and just don't want to be bothered with licenses > >> etc etc etc. M$ sees the sale and assumes you have bought a license. > >> might be part of the problem with pricing, schools charged more for the > >> software license by M$ > >> > >> Bob > >> > > > > Check out this article: > > Dell customer gets Windows refund > > > > http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/110706-dell-windows.html > > > > > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, David H. Barr wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On 11/8/06, marrandy wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:41, Eric Brown wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is that they will often > >>>>> quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public walking in off the > >>>>> street. Our principal has even resorted to using his personal credit > >>>>> card and purchasing computers to save several hundreds of dollars per > >>>>> machine. > >>>>> > >>>> How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) of dollars per machine > >>>> ? > >>>> > >>>> What 'machine' are you talking about ? > >>>> > >>> Typically it's not so much (in my experience) that Dell explicitly > >>> charges edu/npo -more-, per se. It's just that their pricing > >>> structure is heavily dependent on deep discounts, not all of which > >>> apply for a particular config in the home/smb/premiere sites. > >>> > >>> When I was in the nonprofit sector, I would typically end up a) > >>> determining what spec machine I wanted, b) carting it up in home and > >>> small business desktop and workstation lines, and c) sending the > >>> lowest of those four quotes to my representative who would typically > >>> match or beat it. > >>> > >>> It was a tedious process, but could frequently get my desktop orders > >>> down several hundred. When you're buying $300 desktops and slapping > >>> charity licensing on them though, the wiggle room is fairly small. > >>> > >>> -dhbarr. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >>> > >> > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> NO RESPONSE WILL EVER BE GIVEN TO ANY MESSAGE VIA EARTHLINK > >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > >> safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >> ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > >> NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > >> NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > >> NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > >> *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > >> THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > >> privileged. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Thu Nov 9 14:41:35 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:41:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611081349r10f56423g55179bda30fd13b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> <45524E07.90304@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <3610bbec0611081349r10f56423g55179bda30fd13b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611090841.35844.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Does the Dell Switch have a "console" port in the back? My Cisco switches do and I can use a special serial cable to connect to it via hyperterminal (windowz) without knowing the ip address. -ray On Wednesday 08 November 2006 15:49, Shane Sammons wrote: > I honestly can't say, I searched the documentation CD for its IP address, > and I did not notice a default one, only how to use the console to change > it. I am home now, so I can not do anything with it, but perhaps I can try > adjusting the factory default IP to a new IP and see if that makes a > difference. > > Any other reason it could cause a whole switch to reboot? > > On 11/8/06, Joe Guenther wrote: > > I also use the same Dell switch for my LTSP install. I had the same DHCP > > failure until I set every port in the Dell switch to fast link. The > > switch is checking for spanning tree redundant links or circular paths. > > thus by the time the switch is done its checking, the dhcp has given up > > and quit. Set all the ports connected to end devices to fast link ... > > under the spanning tree configuration ... and life will be good again. > > > > Joe Guenther > > LANtech - Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > > > > Dan Young wrote: > > > > Shane Sammons wrote: > > > > Well it seems i found the problem...now I need someone's help with why. > > The switch is actually a Dell Power Connect 3324. It is working fine, > > however it > > > > ... > > > > 01-Jan-2000 01:02:09 %TFTP-A-TftpTxERROR: An error message was sent: 0 > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=TFTP+A+TftpTxERROR > > > > The only hits are on the Dell forums in regards to failed TFTP uploads > > to the switch itself. > > > > Does the IP of the switch conflict with the IP of the terminal? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see From fhkms at adelphia.net Thu Nov 9 14:42:08 2006 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (fhkms at adelphia.net) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 9:42:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] floppy issues on fc5 and k12ltsp Message-ID: <31163500.1163083328060.JavaMail.root@web29> Hi all, I have the latest stable version of k12ltsp running on my small school network. In the past, I have handled the floppy drive situation by manipulating this file: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf I would remove the # from the string: #Rcfile_01 =floppyd With this latest version of k12ltsp, I have floppy icons popping up on users workstations desktops, as well as folders that say "floppy". I'm confused. What has changed? I would like to get back to the point where students either have mtools on their desktop, or where only the floppy drive on the server works, so students have to go through me to save things to floppy (prefered). I'm not big on the command line, or with using a text editor. Thanks for any help. Will From petre at maltzen.net Thu Nov 9 15:01:00 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:01:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] floppy issues on fc5 and k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <31163500.1163083328060.JavaMail.root@web29> References: <31163500.1163083328060.JavaMail.root@web29> Message-ID: <455342AC.3090205@maltzen.net> Much has changed, and it's a good thing! ;-) In LTSP 4.2, which K12LTSP 5.x is based on, the Local Device Access system was completely re-written. Now, things like USB sticks 'just work'--you plug them in and an icon appears on the desktop; you unplug them, and the icon disappears. Same for CDs (non-music) and floppies. Are your clients booting via etherboot floppies by chance? If so, users will automatically see an floppy icon on the desktop because there's floppy disk in the drive. You can turn this off if you don't want floppy access on the client. If you're not using etherboot floppies, you should just be able to put a floppy disk in the client's drive and the icon will appear on the desktop. When you're done writing to the floppy, just pop it out and the icon should disappear. Petre fhkms at adelphia.net wrote: > Hi all, > > I have the latest stable version of k12ltsp running on my small school network. In the past, I have handled the floppy drive situation by manipulating this file: > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > I would remove the # from the string: #Rcfile_01 =floppyd > > With this latest version of k12ltsp, I have floppy icons popping up on users workstations desktops, as well as folders that say "floppy". I'm confused. What has changed? I would like to get back to the point where students either have mtools on their desktop, or where only the floppy drive on the server works, so students have to go through me to save things to floppy (prefered). I'm not big on the command line, or with using a text editor. Thanks for any help. > > Will > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 16:13:21 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:13:21 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: smbd dead but pid file exists In-Reply-To: <200610180614.58079.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <200610180614.58079.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: I found that I couldn't use the .gz files but if I extracted them ldif file inside and use that it works. On 18/10/06, John Lucas wrote: > > The error message (No DB_CONFIG file ...) may result from an ownership > problem > with /var/lib/ldap and/or the files within it. The directory or certain > key > files may belong to "root" when they should belong to "ldap". What happens > is > that slapd can't write the index files or update the db files. Try: > > chown -R ldap.ldap /var/lib/ldap > > Then restart slapd. > > Are you certain that the LDIF files are corrupt? Have you manually > inspected > them? What form does the corruption take? > > On Wednesday 18 October 2006 01:38, you wrote: > > It seems that all my automatically created ldif backup files are > corrupted. > > I have never been able to back up from them. I have only ever been able > to > > back up from the ldif file I manually created when I backed up my old > > server before transfering to the current one. Why would that be? > > > > On 18/10/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > > I tried to reinstall smbldap and slapadd my backup but I got this > error > > > message and I can't start ldap now. > > > > > > [root at k12ltsp ldap]# slapadd -l /var/smbldap-backups/smbldap.ldif.4.gz > > > bdb_db_open: Warning - No DB_CONFIG file found in directory > > > /var/lib/ldap: (2) > > > Expect poor performance for suffix dc=harekrishna,dc=school,dc=nz. > > > str2entry: entry -1 has no dn > > > slapadd: could not parse entry (line=34) > > > > > > On 18/10/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > > > My ldif file got corrupted again. I reinstalled it using rm / > slapadd / > > > > chown ldap etc. > > > > That seemed to go okay but now smb doesn't work with the above > message. > > > > My windows users can't access important files. > > > > The smb.conf file I had before was overwritten by a generic one so I > > > > copied my original file back in its place. > > > > I can stop and restart smb but it always reads "smbd dead but pid > file > > > > exists" > > > > > > > > What should I do? > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/| > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) > | > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 9 16:46:23 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:46:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Question for Postfix Experts Message-ID: <20061109163417.M33622@winonacotter.org> I currently have a postfix server configured to read local unix accounts for valid recipients with "local_recipient_maps = unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps". Email and file serving currently run on the same box. Samba, Netatalk, and Postfix all look at the same local user accounts to determine who is able to log in. This server has both Staff and Students on it. In the past we have provided file services and email to everyone. We now want to discontinue email for students, but still provide file serving. If at all possible I would still like to keep everyone on the same box all still using the local accounts (easy for me to keep track of with only one userbase). So now the question, is there a way to tell Postfix to look not only at local user accounts, but to also look at their assigned group? My thought is then I could tell postfix that only the "Staff" group is allowed to send or receive mail and the "Student" group...as far as postfix was concerned...wouldn't exist. And since all users would still exist in the local unix database file sharing would work as always, and I could still get away with managing a single userbase. I know this would be easy if I switched to Virtual Users as I have on other servers, just in this case it would be best I believe if the above idea is an option. I did find that there is a "unix:group.byname" option but I have not found anything that states this directive could be used for the above. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 9 20:18:32 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:18:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) Message-ID: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> Let's say I have a group called "Staff" in /etc/group with users x,y and z. How would I create a script that would grab the users from the group "Staff" and create a new file "/etc/mailusers" with all the users listed separately on their own line? Example: Script reads /etc/group for the line matching Staff (I can pull that with "grep Staff /etc/group) and the result is - Staff:x:501:jim,tommy,john Then builds the new file named /etc/mailusers which is formatted like so - jim tommy john Make sense? I would think this to be possible. My thought is this would answer my postfix question earlier. I could set "local_recipient_maps=hash:/etc/mailusers" and then have this script run after any changes in Webmin to the users module. The script would also have a line at the end that ran "postmap /etc/mailusers" to update the database. Sound feasible Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From moliveri at rb60.com Thu Nov 9 20:23:26 2006 From: moliveri at rb60.com (Mike Oliveri) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:23:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0B95@rbexfe.rb60.local> This might be too easy, but give this a shot. Copy /etc/group to a new file and delete all the other lines until you have your comma-delimited group of users. Then use sed to turn all of the commas into newlines (/n). sed s/\,/\/n/g newfile >> /etc/mailusers I've escaped the comma just in case. The forward slash for the newline does have to be escaped, though. That's off the top of my head. I'm fuzzy on such things. Might want to experiment with a different output file first! :) Take care, Mike -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:19 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) Let's say I have a group called "Staff" in /etc/group with users x,y and z. How would I create a script that would grab the users from the group "Staff" and create a new file "/etc/mailusers" with all the users listed separately on their own line? Example: Script reads /etc/group for the line matching Staff (I can pull that with "grep Staff /etc/group) and the result is - Staff:x:501:jim,tommy,john Then builds the new file named /etc/mailusers which is formatted like so - jim tommy john Make sense? I would think this to be possible. My thought is this would answer my postfix question earlier. I could set "local_recipient_maps=hash:/etc/mailusers" and then have this script run after any changes in Webmin to the users module. The script would also have a line at the end that ran "postmap /etc/mailusers" to update the database. Sound feasible Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 9 20:29:32 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:29:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0B95@rbexfe.rb60.local> References: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0B95@rbexfe.rb60.local> Message-ID: <20061109202846.M7911@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:23:26 -0600, Mike Oliveri wrote > This might be too easy, but give this a shot. Copy /etc/group to a > new file and delete all the other lines until you have your comma-delimited > group of users. > > Then use sed to turn all of the commas into newlines (/n). > > sed s/\,/\/n/g newfile >> /etc/mailusers > > I've escaped the comma just in case. The forward slash for the > newline does have to be escaped, though. > > That's off the top of my head. I'm fuzzy on such things. Might want > to experiment with a different output file first! :) I get the following error, working on figuring out what it means. [root at file ~]# sed s/\,/\/n/g group >> /root/mailusers sed: -e expression #1, char 6: unknown option to `s' Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From moliveri at rb60.com Thu Nov 9 20:33:39 2006 From: moliveri at rb60.com (Mike Oliveri) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:33:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <20061109202846.M7911@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0B9B@rbexfe.rb60.local> I forgot ' around the substitution string. Just did some testing. But now the other problem is it actually puts /n instead of a linebreak in there. Digging... Mike -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:30 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:23:26 -0600, Mike Oliveri wrote > This might be too easy, but give this a shot. Copy /etc/group to a new > file and delete all the other lines until you have your > comma-delimited group of users. > > Then use sed to turn all of the commas into newlines (/n). > > sed s/\,/\/n/g newfile >> /etc/mailusers > > I've escaped the comma just in case. The forward slash for the newline > does have to be escaped, though. > > That's off the top of my head. I'm fuzzy on such things. Might want to > experiment with a different output file first! :) I get the following error, working on figuring out what it means. [root at file ~]# sed s/\,/\/n/g group >> /root/mailusers sed: -e expression #1, char 6: unknown option to `s' Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From moliveri at rb60.com Thu Nov 9 20:36:26 2006 From: moliveri at rb60.com (Mike Oliveri) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:36:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <20061109202846.M7911@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0B9D@rbexfe.rb60.local> Got it. Don't escape the slash in the newline after all. Duh. Sorry! sed 's/,/\n/g' filename >> /root/whatever Take care, Mike -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:30 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:23:26 -0600, Mike Oliveri wrote > This might be too easy, but give this a shot. Copy /etc/group to a new > file and delete all the other lines until you have your > comma-delimited group of users. > > Then use sed to turn all of the commas into newlines (/n). > > sed s/\,/\/n/g newfile >> /etc/mailusers > > I've escaped the comma just in case. The forward slash for the newline > does have to be escaped, though. > > That's off the top of my head. I'm fuzzy on such things. Might want to > experiment with a different output file first! :) I get the following error, working on figuring out what it means. [root at file ~]# sed s/\,/\/n/g group >> /root/mailusers sed: -e expression #1, char 6: unknown option to `s' Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Nov 9 20:53:50 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:53:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <20061109202846.M7911@winonacotter.org> References: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0B95@rbexfe.rb60.local> <20061109202846.M7911@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44209.169.244.70.148.1163105630.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Jim you could use your grep command then use cut with a delimiter of: like -d":" and pick the fields you need with -f cat /etc/groups|grep mail| cut -d ":" -f2 some permutation of that From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 9 20:48:48 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:48:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0B9D@rbexfe.rb60.local> References: <20061109202846.M7911@winonacotter.org> <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0B9D@rbexfe.rb60.local> Message-ID: <20061109204445.M48387@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:36:26 -0600, Mike Oliveri wrote > Got it. Don't escape the slash in the newline after all. Duh. Sorry! > > sed 's/,/\n/g' filename >> /root/whatever Cool. Thanks, that gets me much closer to the final result. Now I just need to bundle it all into one script. Here is what I have so far for sed: sed -e 's/,/\n/g' -e 's/staff:x:501://g' /etc/group >> /etc/mailusers Now I just need to add the postmap stuff. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 9 21:21:06 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:21:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> References: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <45539BC2.4030300@mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Let's say I have a group called "Staff" in /etc/group with users x,y and z. > How would I create a script that would grab the users from the group "Staff" > and create a new file "/etc/mailusers" with all the users listed separately on > their own line? getent group Staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed 's/,/\n/g' > /etc/mailusers -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 9 21:34:15 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:34:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <45539BC2.4030300@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> <45539BC2.4030300@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20061109213201.M48788@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:21:06 -0800, Dan Young wrote > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Let's say I have a group called "Staff" in /etc/group with users x,y and z. > > How would I create a script that would grab the users from the group "Staff" > > and create a new file "/etc/mailusers" with all the users listed separately on > > their own line? > > getent group Staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed 's/,/\n/g' > /etc/mailusers Here is the current script with the cleaned up command to work with the group file directly. #!/bin/sh rm -f /root/mailusers getent group staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed -e 's/,/@winonacotter.org OK,/g' -e 's/,/\n/g' > /etc/mailusers postmap hash:/etc/mailusers But I still have the problem with the last user not getting the "@winonacotter.org OK" appended. I am stumped with that right now. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 9 21:48:10 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:48:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <20061109213201.M48788@winonacotter.org> References: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> <45539BC2.4030300@mesd.k12.or.us> <20061109213201.M48788@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4553A21A.9060904@mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:21:06 -0800, Dan Young wrote >> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>> Let's say I have a group called "Staff" in /etc/group with users x,y and z. >>> How would I create a script that would grab the users from the group "Staff" >>> and create a new file "/etc/mailusers" with all the users listed separately on >>> their own line? >> getent group Staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed 's/,/\n/g' > /etc/mailusers > > Here is the current script with the cleaned up command to work with the group > file directly. > > #!/bin/sh > rm -f /root/mailusers > getent group staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed -e 's/,/@winonacotter.org OK,/g' -e > 's/,/\n/g' > /etc/mailusers > postmap hash:/etc/mailusers > > But I still have the problem with the last user not getting the > "@winonacotter.org OK" appended. I am stumped with that right now. The last user in the group doesn't have a comma after their name to be substituted w/ "@winonacotter.org OK". How about: #!/bin/sh if [-f /etc/mailusers]; then rm -f /etc/mailusers; fi touch /etc/mailusers MAILUSERS=$(getent group staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed 's/,/ /g') for EACH in $MAILUSERS; do echo "$EACH at winonacotter.org OK" >> /etc/mailusers; done -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 9 21:53:26 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:53:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <20061109213201.M48788@winonacotter.org> References: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> <45539BC2.4030300@mesd.k12.or.us> <20061109213201.M48788@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20061109214908.M42551@winonacotter.org> This is what the script really looks like at this point: #!/bin/sh rm -f /root/mailusers getent group staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed -e 's/,/@winonacotter.org OK,/g' -e 's/,/\n/g' > /root/mailusers postmap hash:/root/mailusers The getent is all on one line, it just wraps with my mail client. I will change /root/mailusers to /etc/mailusers when things run perfect. Thanks again for everyone's help. I just need to figure out how to append the extra stuff to the last user. Is there a command that will echo text to the end of a file? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 9 21:56:06 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:56:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <20061109214908.M42551@winonacotter.org> References: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> <45539BC2.4030300@mesd.k12.or.us> <20061109213201.M48788@winonacotter.org> <20061109214908.M42551@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4553A3F6.4090104@paasda.org> CAT man cat Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Thanks again for everyone's help. I just need to figure out how to append the > extra stuff to the last user. Is there a command that will echo text to the > end of a file? > From scott at remc1.org Thu Nov 9 21:56:39 2006 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:56:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <20061109214908.M42551@winonacotter.org> References: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> <45539BC2.4030300@mesd.k12.or.us> <20061109213201.M48788@winonacotter.org> <20061109214908.M42551@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4553A417.60808@remc1.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Thanks again for everyone's help. I just need to figure out how to append the > extra stuff to the last user. Is there a command that will echo text to the > end of a file? > the >> appends to the end of a file echo whatevertext >> filename From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 9 22:11:56 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:11:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <4553A21A.9060904@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> <45539BC2.4030300@mesd.k12.or.us> <20061109213201.M48788@winonacotter.org> <4553A21A.9060904@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20061109220408.M98503@winonacotter.org> > The last user in the group doesn't have a comma after their name to > be substituted w/ "@winonacotter.org OK". How about: > > #!/bin/sh > if [-f /etc/mailusers]; then rm -f /etc/mailusers; fi > touch /etc/mailusers > MAILUSERS=$(getent group staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed 's/,/ /g') > for EACH in $MAILUSERS; do > echo "$EACH at winonacotter.org OK" >> /etc/mailusers; > done Awesome....it works! Here is the final result: #!/bin/sh rm -f /etc/mailusers MAILUSERS=$(getent group staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed 's/,/\n/g') for EACH in $MAILUSERS; do echo "$EACH at winonacotter.org OK" >> /etc/mailusers; done postmap hash:/etc/mailusers For some reason the "if [-f" for removal wasn't working, I got a "line 2: [-f: command not found". So for testing purposes I just dumped that portion for simpler method. Should the command just be "if [/etc/mailusers]; then rm -f /etc/mailusers; fi"? Anyhow when things weren't working I dumped the touch portion as well since I didn't know what it did. I figured if the rm command ran, touch wouldn't be able to find /etc/mailusers anyhow. Any suggestions to improve would be great, but for now, it works! Thanks again to everyone. This will make it very easy to keep our current configuration and be able to remove students from our email offerings. I will now modify my Webmin Users and Groups module config and add the above script into the "Command to run after making changes" field. If the new user is added to the "staff" group they will be added to the /etc/mailusers file, if not they will just get file services. I suppose I might have to add a /etc/init.d/postfix/reload as well to read the new hash file. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 9 22:14:34 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:14:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <20061109220408.M98503@winonacotter.org> References: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> <45539BC2.4030300@mesd.k12.or.us> <20061109213201.M48788@winonacotter.org> <4553A21A.9060904@mesd.k12.or.us> <20061109220408.M98503@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4553A84A.5040406@mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > For some reason the "if [-f" for removal wasn't working, I got a "line 2: [-f: > command not found". So for testing purposes I just dumped that portion for > simpler method. Should the command just be "if [/etc/mailusers]; then rm -f > /etc/mailusers; fi"? Just a dumb typo on my part, should be "[ -f /etc/mailusers ]". I missed the space --^ -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 9 22:20:59 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:20:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <20061109220408.M98503@winonacotter.org> References: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> <45539BC2.4030300@mesd.k12.or.us> <20061109213201.M48788@winonacotter.org> <4553A21A.9060904@mesd.k12.or.us> <20061109220408.M98503@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4553A9CB.9000200@paasda.org> touch /etc/mailusers creates the file 'mailusers' in /etc --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> The last user in the group doesn't have a comma after their name to >> be substituted w/ "@winonacotter.org OK". How about: >> >> #!/bin/sh >> if [-f /etc/mailusers]; then rm -f /etc/mailusers; fi >> touch /etc/mailusers >> MAILUSERS=$(getent group staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed 's/,/ /g') >> for EACH in $MAILUSERS; do >> echo "$EACH at winonacotter.org OK" >> /etc/mailusers; >> done > Anyhow when things weren't working I dumped the touch portion as well since I > didn't know what it did. I figured if the rm command ran, touch wouldn't be > able to find /etc/mailusers anyhow. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 9 22:33:07 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:33:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <4553A9CB.9000200@paasda.org> References: <20061109201149.M71564@winonacotter.org> <45539BC2.4030300@mesd.k12.or.us> <20061109213201.M48788@winonacotter.org> <4553A21A.9060904@mesd.k12.or.us> <20061109220408.M98503@winonacotter.org> <4553A9CB.9000200@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4553ACA3.6060609@mesd.k12.or.us> Huck wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> Anyhow when things weren't working I dumped the touch portion as well >> since I >> didn't know what it did. I figured if the rm command ran, touch >> wouldn't be >> able to find /etc/mailusers anyhow. > > touch /etc/mailusers > > creates the file 'mailusers' in /etc Shoot, I've sent you astray here. You need that /etc/mailusers rewritten every time. Don't do the conditional [ -f ] , just delete /etc/mailusers every time. Otherwise, you'll just keep appending all the group members every time this runs; not good. The touch is redundant too, since the ">>" to append will create the file if it doesn't exist. Sorry for the misdirection... #!/bin/sh rm -f /etc/mailusers MAILUSERS=$(getent group staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed 's/,/ /g') for EACH in $MAILUSERS; do echo "$EACH at winonacotter.org OK" >> /etc/mailusers; done postmap hash:/etc/mailusers -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 22:51:11 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:51:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] attaching clients to lcd Message-ID: <9bd317560611091451o199b2ae3re9ff66c573370621@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone offer suggestions of ways to connect thin clients to lcd monitors, whether it's built into the client, lcd or a separate mechanism? Thanks! Peter From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 9 22:55:22 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:55:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] attaching clients to lcd In-Reply-To: <9bd317560611091451o199b2ae3re9ff66c573370621@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560611091451o199b2ae3re9ff66c573370621@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4553B1DA.3070709@paasda.org> VESA mounts on the LCD's... you can usually get brackets for production thin clients that mount the client to the bracket which is screwed into the 4 holes of the VESA mount(I think that's what they are calling it)... Affirmative's YeStation Mini from affirmative.net is one such solution... HP has one as well... Not sure if disklessworkstations offers a bracket or not --Huck Peter Hartmann wrote: > Can anyone offer suggestions of ways to connect thin clients to lcd > monitors, whether it's built into the client, lcd or a separate > mechanism? > > Thanks! > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 23:36:38 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:36:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone point me at/send me the contents of opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/ Message-ID: <2be970b50611091536y4cc247d0u10c4c475e7f05cf0@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I am running LTSP on Ubuntu 6.06 and wondered if someone could point me at or send me the user config scripts used in k12ltsp. I think these usually live in /*opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux*/ I don't have a k12ltsp server running right now and I Google didn't show me anything online in this regard. Thanks! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 9 23:46:36 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:46:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone point me at/send me the contents of opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/ In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611091536y4cc247d0u10c4c475e7f05cf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611091536y4cc247d0u10c4c475e7f05cf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4553BDDC.4080701@mesd.k12.or.us> john wrote: > Hi all, > > I am running LTSP on Ubuntu 6.06 and wondered if someone could point me at > or send me the user config scripts used in k12ltsp. I think these usually > live in /*opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux*/ I don't have a k12ltsp server > running right now and I Google didn't show me anything online in this > regard. From: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us:/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/i386/SRPMS/ Get: ltsp_config-0.0.38-k12ltsp.5.0.1.src.rpm RPM is in the Ubuntu repository. You should be able to install the source RPM and get them from the resulting tarball. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 10 00:06:17 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:06:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <45521A77.8040802@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20061110000617.50467.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Speaking of Dell, I've heard and read (but never experienced it first hand) that some of their hardware is only upgradeable with other Dell hardware. Sometimes because of physical size, sometimes because the BIOS doesn't allow non-Dell stuff. Can anybody confirm this or give further details? And what about Gateway or other Dell-like manufacturers? I imagine they all do the same thing, but I don't know for sure. -Rob --- Huck wrote: > Example...they had 'deals' for Dimension 5150's with > free 19" LCD's.. > for $600...but would not sell them to the school for > that price... > This has happened twice in my dealings with Dell... > > I did get 2 sweet rack mounts 1U and 2U servers from > them for a great > price for their configuration though. > > --Huck > > marrandy wrote: > > On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:41, Eric Brown > wrote: > >> Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is > that they will often > >> quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public > walking in off the > >> street. Our principal has even resorted to using > his personal credit > >> card and purchasing computers to save several > hundreds of dollars per > >> machine. > >> > >> We've tried multiple methods of trying to get > them to cut us a better > >> deal, but they just won't cooperate very well > with us here in Iowa. > >> > >> Eric > > > > > > > > How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) > of dollars per machine ? > > > > What 'machine' are you talking about ? > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 10 00:38:03 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:38:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone point me at/send me the contents of opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/ In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611091536y4cc247d0u10c4c475e7f05cf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611091536y4cc247d0u10c4c475e7f05cf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4553C9EB.6020405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> john wrote: > Hi all, > > I am running LTSP on Ubuntu 6.06 and wondered if someone could point me > at or send me the user config scripts used in k12ltsp. I think these > usually live in /*opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux* / I don't have a k12ltsp > server running right now and I Google didn't show me anything online in > this regard. > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux* are specific to K12LTSP, you don't want to use them on Ubuntu. If you are using Ubuntu's LTSP, the equivalent script is: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup If you are using LTSP from ltsp.org, run ltspadmin -Eric From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 03:38:37 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:38:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] attaching clients to lcd In-Reply-To: <4553B1DA.3070709@paasda.org> References: <9bd317560611091451o199b2ae3re9ff66c573370621@mail.gmail.com> <4553B1DA.3070709@paasda.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560611091938x3f3c3222i4b733bc450c1feb5@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Huck. > Not sure if disklessworkstations offers a bracket or not they said no. :( Peter On 11/9/06, Huck wrote: > VESA mounts on the LCD's... > you can usually get brackets for production thin clients that mount the > client to the bracket which is screwed into the 4 holes of the VESA > mount(I think that's what they are calling it)... > > Affirmative's YeStation Mini from affirmative.net is one such solution... > HP has one as well... > > Not sure if disklessworkstations offers a bracket or not > > --Huck > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Can anyone offer suggestions of ways to connect thin clients to lcd > > monitors, whether it's built into the client, lcd or a separate > > mechanism? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Fri Nov 10 04:50:16 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:50:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network reset ignores MACs Message-ID: <1163134216.17927.119.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> The hardware: x2 dual-core Opteron 285 x2 Tigon Gbit NICs on mainboard x2 dual port Intel e1000 cards in PCI-X slots K12LTSP v. 5 w/ 2.6.18 kernel 64 bit The issue: During the setup of the clients, printers and teachers machines behind the K12LTSP server, I need to add the teachers machines on a static NAT for LANDesk (yeah, I know...) access by the central office. There is one ethernet port used to access the school LAN on this type of machine (of the remaining 5, 1 is a dedicated connection to the NFS server for /home, the other 4 are bonded for serving the thin clients through 24 port Gbit switches to up to 20 classrooms per server). I am using virtual ethernet ports and iptables rules. The only way I can find to get a virtual port to start is to restart the network service entirely. OK, it's down for just a few seconds. That's an improvement over the current setup :) What I am seeing is the "service network restart" is not "clean". One restart, we have had issues with ethx becoming ethy or ethz. Yet we have the mac addresses listed in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethx. So we added rules in /etc/udev/rules.d (generated a new rules files and put in "KERNEL="eth*",SYSFS{address}=="MAC ADDRESS HERE",NAME="ethx"" for all of the 6 ports. We even ordered the aliases in /etc/modprobe.conf to be in the proper order. If we take down the network and then try to remove the modules with rmmod, the command returns no errors, but the module is still showing loaded with lsmod. We noticed that is took exactly the number of network restarts to remove the modules using rmmod. So it looked like each network restart added alink to the modules. Yet the module still showed a 0 for the "used by" column. Then we did all this again after a reboot and realized that what we had seen was an anomaly of counting. It took 2 rmmod's for the tg3 and 4 for the e1000. We have 2 Tigon (tg3) and 4 Intel NICS (e1000). Yet with the networking off, it seems there should be no more connection to the modules and they should just unload (I'm sending this to the kernel list shortly after I grep through list for anything similar). So why is this an issue? Because for reasons unknown, sometimes when the network is restarted during the teacher machine integration with the K12LTSP servers, the networking setup ignores the device numbers and MAC addresses and comes up a random mess. It doesn't clear up by just stopping networking and removing the modules and restarting networking. We have to keep pulling out the modules until they are _really_ unloaded and then restart networking. 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The cost per piece came out to be $120 plus shipping. They will give it for lower price in bulk sales. JFYI I have no interest with the supplier. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Another post pointed me out to a manufacturer in Taiwan but they will not talk of less than 100 pieces. From moliveri at rb60.com Fri Nov 10 14:21:04 2006 From: moliveri at rb60.com (Mike Oliveri) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:21:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <4553ACA3.6060609@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0BC8@rbexfe.rb60.local> Why not just use > instead of >>? > should replace the file rather than append, and then you wouldn't need to remove the file, either. Mike -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Young Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:33 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) Huck wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> Anyhow when things weren't working I dumped the touch portion as well >> since I didn't know what it did. I figured if the rm command ran, >> touch wouldn't be able to find /etc/mailusers anyhow. > > touch /etc/mailusers > > creates the file 'mailusers' in /etc Shoot, I've sent you astray here. You need that /etc/mailusers rewritten every time. Don't do the conditional [ -f ] , just delete /etc/mailusers every time. Otherwise, you'll just keep appending all the group members every time this runs; not good. The touch is redundant too, since the ">>" to append will create the file if it doesn't exist. Sorry for the misdirection... #!/bin/sh rm -f /etc/mailusers MAILUSERS=$(getent group staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed 's/,/ /g') for EACH in $MAILUSERS; do echo "$EACH at winonacotter.org OK" >> /etc/mailusers; done postmap hash:/etc/mailusers -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rmccaa at tiu11.org Fri Nov 10 15:19:26 2006 From: rmccaa at tiu11.org (Bob McCaa) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:19:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Biometrics Reader for Schools In-Reply-To: <200611040820.25450.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <454C1592.2000100@sancharnet.in> <200611040820.25450.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4554987E.8010107@tiu11.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have a Thinkpad T43p with the biometric reader and I fought with that tutorial for about 2-3 weeks without success. I'm not sure that it's ready for a production environment. John Lucas wrote: > On Saturday 04 November 2006 00:41, Harish Pillay wrote: >>> Is there any bio-metric reader supported by Ltsp for finger print >>> identification? >>> >>> My school is planning to identify students and record their in/out-time >>> using finger print scanning. Presently, I have a LTSP client on 486 at >>> the security gates. All the vendors interviewed are providing Windows >>> only solutions. >> I do not have experience with it, but perhaps this URL would have >> enough info to help: >> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_fingerprint_reader >> > > This seems to be specific to the integrated fingerprint scanner in the IBM > Thinkpad laptop computer. Nice to know they have Linux support, but if > biometrics are going to be used througout the enterprise, there has to be a > central database and just getting a reader to scan is neccessary but not > sufficient for the purpose. There is a lot of system integration (and > expense) involved in such systems. > > I would have serious cost/benefit questions if I were involved, particularly > if one of those costs was to lock the school into a single computing platform > in order to support it. What happens at upgrade time? If this is a > single-purpose solution (campus entry/exit), then it would be less > restrictive, but the benefit (single authoritative authentication source) > would also be reduced. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFVJh+3zXhtRrNjggRAgIPAKDdXCsxMch3YAIv5gGSR06XHrAhlACdEtJO HG1hz0Djlc1CZgxiFB7Jeyg= =kPYD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Nov 10 15:28:32 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:28:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] cifs mounting win2003 shares problem Message-ID: <40220.172.28.8.55.1163172512.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello All, Has anyone experienced problems mounting Windows 2003 server shares via CIFS? I can mount shares on Windows 2000 server fine, but can not get any windows 2003 server shares to mount via CIFS. I m trying to get some backups setup for various directories from windows after installing/updating K12LTSP v5 on a couple of our linux servers.Now that smbfs has been depredicated,CIFS seems to be the only option. K12LTSP v5 Ive googled out but cant find any 1..2..3.. howtos/fixups,on how to do this. Thanks, Barry Cisna westcentral school From caldodge at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 15:50:35 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:50:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <20061110000617.50467.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45521A77.8040802@paasda.org> <20061110000617.50467.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0611100750l71d2a7e4t76f2c95af770f02c@mail.gmail.com> On 11/9/06, Rob Owens wrote: > Speaking of Dell, I've heard and read (but never > experienced it first hand) that some of their hardware > is only upgradeable with other Dell hardware. > Sometimes because of physical size, sometimes because > the BIOS doesn't allow non-Dell stuff. Can anybody > confirm this or give further details? > Well, I'm aware of two Dell hardware issues. The first one is reasonably well-known. Around 1998 Dell switched power lines in their motherboard connectors and power supplies. The connector looked exactly the same, but if you plugged a non-Dell power supply in, the typical result was death for the power supply and motherboard. It was thought Dell did this to achieve hardware "lock-in", forcing people to go to Dell for replacement power supplies. It didn't work, since other suppliers (www.pcpowercooling.com, for example) came out with Dell-compatible supplies. The second hardware issue is one which applied to one model, but might illustrate the sort of mindset at Dell. A user decided to put a better soundcard in his Dell, and then found the computer wouldn't boot up. Apparently the BIOS needed something from the original soundcard, or simply required that soundcard to be there. So, I'd say you can replace RAM in a Dell (IIRC, they used to charge through the nose for RAM, and might still do so), but I don't think I'd count on being able to replace anything else (you might very well be able, but don't bet your life on it). While we're having this server discussion, I thought I'd throw in a plug for ABMX (www.abmx.com). A customer of mine bought a couple of 4U _quiet_ Athlon64 servers from them, and has been happy with them since (they're much quieter than the little Cisco router which inhabits the same room). I don't know how their multi-CPU servers compare on pricing, and I don't know if they take POs. But I can vouch for their reliability and quietude. If you buy one, be sure to install FC6 or the latest respin of FC5, since the original FC5 kernel didn't recognize their Intel gigabit NICs. Calvin From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 10 16:13:14 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:13:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0BC8@rbexfe.rb60.local> References: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0BC8@rbexfe.rb60.local> Message-ID: <4554A51A.9010203@mesd.k12.or.us> Mike Oliveri wrote: > Why not just use > instead of >>? > should replace the file rather than > append, and then you wouldn't need to remove the file, either. Yeah that's better, just have to move the redirection out of the loop: #!/bin/sh MAILUSERS=$(getent group staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed 's/,/ /g') for EACH in $MAILUSERS; do echo "$EACH at winonacotter.org OK" done > /etc/mailusers postmap hash:/etc/mailusers -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 17:36:52 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:36:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone point me at/send me the contents of opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/ In-Reply-To: <4553C9EB.6020405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <2be970b50611091536y4cc247d0u10c4c475e7f05cf0@mail.gmail.com> <4553C9EB.6020405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <2be970b50611100936x572ec5feo60d42d64b2c8bb30@mail.gmail.com> Thanks all! I guess what I was looking for was the set of scripts that folks like Eric have written that ease adminstration. Like setting all users OO preferences to .doc , or resetting users desktops. Are those located in sp_config-0.0.38-k12ltsp.5.0.1.src.rpm ? Again, thanks! John On 11/9/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > john wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I am running LTSP on Ubuntu 6.06 and wondered if someone could point me > > at or send me the user config scripts used in k12ltsp. I think these > > usually live in /*opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux* / I don't have a k12ltsp > > server running right now and I Google didn't show me anything online in > > this regard. > > > > > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux* are specific to K12LTSP, you don't want > to use them on Ubuntu. > > > If you are using Ubuntu's LTSP, the equivalent script is: > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup > > > If you are using LTSP from ltsp.org, run ltspadmin > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I m trying to get some > backups setup for various directories from windows after > installing/updating K12LTSP v5 on a couple of our linux servers.Now that > smbfs has been depredicated,CIFS seems to be the only option. > > K12LTSP v5 > Ive googled out but cant find any 1..2..3.. howtos/fixups,on how to do > this. > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 10 17:56:13 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:56:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <20061110000617.50467.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061110000617.50467.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4554BD3D.9060202@maltzen.net> Depends on what you want upgrade. Hard drives are all the same; memory can be tricky sometimes. Years ago (before Linux was a glint in Linus's eye), I had to schedule downtime for a Compaq server to install a floppy drive. The appointed hour of 2am came, I shut the server down, opened the case--and discovered that Compaq used a non-standard size floppy drive. The drive I had would not fit in the space. I ran down to the machine shop and fashioned a hi-tech mounting bracket out of plywood, and was able to complete the job in the alloted window. But I doubted then and now that Compaq's floppy is significantly better than the off-the-shelf model I had. Petre Rob Owens wrote: > Speaking of Dell, I've heard and read (but never > experienced it first hand) that some of their hardware > is only upgradeable with other Dell hardware. > Sometimes because of physical size, sometimes because > the BIOS doesn't allow non-Dell stuff. Can anybody > confirm this or give further details? > > And what about Gateway or other Dell-like > manufacturers? I imagine they all do the same thing, > but I don't know for sure. > > -Rob > > --- Huck wrote: > >> Example...they had 'deals' for Dimension 5150's with >> free 19" LCD's.. >> for $600...but would not sell them to the school for >> that price... >> This has happened twice in my dealings with Dell... >> >> I did get 2 sweet rack mounts 1U and 2U servers from >> them for a great >> price for their configuration though. >> >> --Huck >> >> marrandy wrote: >>> On Wednesday 08 November 2006 10:41, Eric Brown >> wrote: >>>> Our problem with dealing with Dell directly is >> that they will often >>>> quote us higher prices than if we were Joe Public >> walking in off the >>>> street. Our principal has even resorted to using >> his personal credit >>>> card and purchasing computers to save several >> hundreds of dollars per >>>> machine. >>>> >>>> We've tried multiple methods of trying to get >> them to cut us a better >>>> deal, but they just won't cooperate very well >> with us here in Iowa. >>>> Eric >>> >>> >>> How do you save several hundreds ($600/$700/$800) >> of dollars per machine ? >>> What 'machine' are you talking about ? >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 19:25:45 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:25:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [FOLLOW UP] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Anyone tried this thinclient? In-Reply-To: <774593a20611100548o7c728075n30873d85c055e7f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20608301702n1d86a459m9976ebc6af434e7a@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20611100548o7c728075n30873d85c055e7f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611101525.46025.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Friday 10 November 2006 09:48, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 31/08/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > On 25/08/06, Matthew Closson wrote: > > > Just curious if anyone has tried these as LTSP terminals and what your > > > opinion of them is? Thanks, > > > -Matt- > > The Nohrtec MicroClient Jr. $120.00 > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6828123924.html > > > Matthew, > > Interested me enough to order a couple of them. Will post experience > > once I get them. > > Got two numbers and tested them out. Worked wonderfully. The cost per > piece came out to be $120 plus shipping. They will give it for lower > price in bulk sales. > > JFYI I have no interest with the supplier. > I'm glad this worked out for you, but I have at tale about the Mfg. Several years ago I ordered one of this company's other products (NohrTec Multi Client). It took *8 months* to come directly from Bankok and it's X client never worked (RDP did work). It boots an embedded Linux from flashram and had clients for RDP, ICA, VNC and X. Too bad I wanted to use it for LTSP. I plan to re-cycle the chassis, perhaps burn Monowall or IPCop onto another flash drive (if I can use USB NICs for the 2nd and 3rd interface). Caveat Emptor. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From caldodge at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 20:01:03 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:01:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <4554BD3D.9060202@maltzen.net> References: <20061110000617.50467.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4554BD3D.9060202@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0611101201m143c0d34gd55542ee4a7f1f5f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/10/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > Depends on what you want upgrade. Hard drives are all the same; memory can be tricky > sometimes. If you're looking to upgrade Dell memory, Crucial.com is probably a safe bet. Their RAM is typically a little more expensive than other brands, but they're generally considered best by the people I trust (Robert Bruce Thompson, Jerry Pournelle). As anecdotal evidence, I present a RAM review I saw a couple of years ago. The publication doing the review was benchmarking a number of brands of RAM (10? 15?) in a number of Athlon motherboards, and a few of the systems wouldn't boot up with some brands of RAM. Only _one_ brand worked in every motherboard - Crucial. So when I put together a system, I figure it reduces the headache potential if I use Crucial RAM exclusively. Calvin From k12osn at deltacfax.com Fri Nov 10 20:33:53 2006 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:33:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mondoarchive in K12LTSP 4.4.1 Message-ID: <4554E231.1010103@deltacfax.com> K12LTSP 4.4.1 A new installation, w/ 'yum update' to collect all the recent updates. I don't know who to thank, but I'm really, really pleased to see Mondo available and installed on K12LTSP. This has been one of my favorite backup tools for several years. We are running mondo-2.10-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1. I've tried four times to make a backup set, and each time it fails when I boot off the first CD to verify (compare). I get complaints scrolling by that it can't find various commands (grep: not found, portmap: not found, loadkeys: not found, mount: not found, etc.) It leaves me in single user with a BusyBox prompt. I've used CDs and CD-RWs. I've tried different combination of answers on the gui screens (yes/no my CD uses burn-proof, yes/no my kernel is sane - I would sure hope FC4 would have a sane kernel, but I even tried lying). I tried it from the command line as well. No joy in Mudville. Has anyone gotten Mondo to work on K12LTSP 4.4.1? When running from the command line I saw an interesting message go by. Something to the effect that "Linux says 2.6 has a broken ide-scsi module. Proceed at your own risk ..." Basically the CDs are getting written, but when I boot to verify they bomb out. thanks, -tim From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Nov 10 21:50:32 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:50:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] cifs mounting win2003 shares problem Message-ID: <44353.127.0.0.1.1163195432.squirrel@server1> Hi John, Did you recompile K12LTSP v5 from the source kernel with smbfs support? I didnt really want to go to the trouble to do this as ive never attempted this> I guess if this works it would be worth the trouble. I have no probs getting the same FC5/K12LTSP v5 servers to do cifs mounts on win2k servers,but win2003 is a no go. For example in Webmin when i do the cifs mount then you can view avaiable files shares on any of the doamin servers,it always says " no shared folders",,on any of the win 2003 servers. Im not sure a good way to troubleshoot this scenario,either. Thanks for the reply. Barry Cisna westcentral school From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 10 22:03:33 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:03:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cifs mounting win2003 shares problem In-Reply-To: <44353.127.0.0.1.1163195432.squirrel@server1> References: <44353.127.0.0.1.1163195432.squirrel@server1> Message-ID: <4554F735.4010605@maltzen.net> Hmmm. I seem to recall reading on this list a year or two ago of some problems unique to Win2003. This probably won't help you, but I'll toss it out as a longshot: http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-April/msg00312.html Likewise, use google to search the mailing list archive; e.g.: windows 2003 shares site:www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn HTH Petre Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hi John, > > Did you recompile K12LTSP v5 from the source kernel with smbfs support? > I didnt really want to go to the trouble to do this as ive never attempted > this> I guess if this works it would be worth the trouble. > I have no probs getting the same FC5/K12LTSP v5 servers to do cifs mounts > on win2k servers,but win2003 is a no go. For example in Webmin when i do > the cifs mount then you can view avaiable files shares on any of the > doamin servers,it always says " no shared folders",,on any of the win 2003 > servers. > Im not sure a good way to troubleshoot this scenario,either. > Thanks for the reply. > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Nov 10 22:18:30 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:18:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] cifs mounting win2003 shares problem In-Reply-To: <4554F735.4010605@maltzen.net> References: <44353.127.0.0.1.1163195432.squirrel@server1> <4554F735.4010605@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <33292.76.179.82.249.1163197110.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ dont forget the archives here for ltsp-discuss From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 10 22:12:25 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:12:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cifs mounting win2003 shares problem In-Reply-To: <44353.127.0.0.1.1163195432.squirrel@server1> References: <44353.127.0.0.1.1163195432.squirrel@server1> Message-ID: <1163196746.11165.78.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 15:50 -0600, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Did you recompile K12LTSP v5 from the source kernel with smbfs support? > I didnt really want to go to the trouble to do this as ive never attempted > this> I guess if this works it would be worth the trouble. > I have no probs getting the same FC5/K12LTSP v5 servers to do cifs mounts > on win2k servers,but win2003 is a no go. For example in Webmin when i do > the cifs mount then you can view avaiable files shares on any of the > doamin servers,it always says " no shared folders",,on any of the win 2003 > servers. > Im not sure a good way to troubleshoot this scenario,either. > Thanks for the reply. Between at least some versions of Windows and samba you have to go into the \HKLM\System\Currentcontrolset\Services\Netlogon\Parameters and set the Requiresignorseal entry to 0 on the windows side. I've seen these instructions for windows as the client - there may be something else when it is the server. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 10 23:08:14 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:08:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0611100750l71d2a7e4t76f2c95af770f02c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061110230814.46456.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh, I just remembered 2 experiences I had replacing some Dell hardware. 1) I replaced a DVD drive in a 8-month-old desktop. I got an NEC drive on newegg.com for much cheaper than I could have from Dell, and it worked fine. 2) I replaced a Broadcom onboard wifi card in a Dell laptop with one that is recognized by Linux. The antenna wires were so short on the laptop that they wouldn't reach my new card. I had to take apart *everything* and re-route the wires to make them reach. After that it worked fine. -Rob --- Calvin Dodge wrote: > On 11/9/06, Rob Owens wrote: > > Speaking of Dell, I've heard and read (but never > > experienced it first hand) that some of their > hardware > > is only upgradeable with other Dell hardware. > > Sometimes because of physical size, sometimes > because > > the BIOS doesn't allow non-Dell stuff. Can > anybody > > confirm this or give further details? > > > > Well, I'm aware of two Dell hardware issues. > > The first one is reasonably well-known. Around 1998 > Dell switched > power lines in their motherboard connectors and > power supplies. The > connector looked exactly the same, but if you > plugged a non-Dell power > supply in, the typical result was death for the > power supply and > motherboard. > > It was thought Dell did this to achieve hardware > "lock-in", forcing > people to go to Dell for replacement power supplies. > It didn't work, > since other suppliers (www.pcpowercooling.com, for > example) came out > with Dell-compatible supplies. > > The second hardware issue is one which applied to > one model, but might > illustrate the sort of mindset at Dell. A user > decided to put a > better soundcard in his Dell, and then found the > computer wouldn't > boot up. Apparently the BIOS needed something from > the original > soundcard, or simply required that soundcard to be > there. > > So, I'd say you can replace RAM in a Dell (IIRC, > they used to charge > through the nose for RAM, and might still do so), > but I don't think > I'd count on being able to replace anything else > (you might very well > be able, but don't bet your life on it). > > > While we're having this server discussion, I thought > I'd throw in a > plug for ABMX (www.abmx.com). A customer of mine > bought a couple of > 4U _quiet_ Athlon64 servers from them, and has been > happy with them > since (they're much quieter than the little Cisco > router which > inhabits the same room). I don't know how their > multi-CPU servers > compare on pricing, and I don't know if they take > POs. But I can vouch > for their reliability and quietude. > > If you buy one, be sure to install FC6 or the latest > respin of FC5, > since the original FC5 kernel didn't recognize their > Intel gigabit > NICs. > > Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Nov 10 23:49:44 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:49:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <200611090841.35844.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> <45524E07.90304@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <3610bbec0611081349r10f56423g55179bda30fd13b9@mail.gmail.com> <200611090841.35844.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <45551018.6020503@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrandy at chaossolutions.org Fri Nov 10 23:56:02 2006 From: marrandy at chaossolutions.org (marrandy) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:56:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] So close.... In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0611101201m143c0d34gd55542ee4a7f1f5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061110000617.50467.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4554BD3D.9060202@maltzen.net> <824a5f7a0611101201m143c0d34gd55542ee4a7f1f5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611101856.02534.marrandy@chaossolutions.org> On Friday 10 November 2006 15:01, Calvin Dodge wrote: > On 11/10/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Depends on what you want upgrade. Hard drives are all the same; memory > > can be tricky sometimes. > > If you're looking to upgrade Dell memory, Crucial.com is probably a > safe bet. Their RAM is typically a little more expensive than other > brands, but they're generally considered best by the people I trust > (Robert Bruce Thompson, Jerry Pournelle). What I do is go to kingston. Lookup the memory in their memory/system thingy. Copy the code for the memory to zipzoomfly, egghead etc. and pick the best deal. Why Kingston ? If the price is comparable, they have a lifetime guarantee on it. But, in the end, it's up to you. -- Regards...Martin From lists.john at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 01:00:14 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:00:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cifs mounting win2003 shares problem In-Reply-To: <44353.127.0.0.1.1163195432.squirrel@server1> References: <44353.127.0.0.1.1163195432.squirrel@server1> Message-ID: <2be970b50611101700t51d83c64jb84d6a9746b2decc@mail.gmail.com> Hi Barry, I didn't recompile the kernel and I am using Ubuntu LTS 6.06 so things might be a little different. I think that there is a way to see if cifs support is enabled in the kernel but I am not sure how to do that. Also I think that Samba needs to be compiled with CIFS support and I am not sure how to find that out, either. Anyone know? John On 11/10/06, Barry R Cisna wrote: > > Hi John, > > Did you recompile K12LTSP v5 from the source kernel with smbfs support? > I didnt really want to go to the trouble to do this as ive never attempted > this> I guess if this works it would be worth the trouble. > I have no probs getting the same FC5/K12LTSP v5 servers to do cifs mounts > on win2k servers,but win2003 is a no go. For example in Webmin when i do > the cifs mount then you can view avaiable files shares on any of the > doamin servers,it always says " no shared folders",,on any of the win 2003 > servers. > Im not sure a good way to troubleshoot this scenario,either. > Thanks for the reply. > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shane.sammons at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 03:11:06 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:11:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <45551018.6020503@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> <45524E07.90304@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <3610bbec0611081349r10f56423g55179bda30fd13b9@mail.gmail.com> <200611090841.35844.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <45551018.6020503@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <3610bbec0611101911s207aad27wd54eb551343b6351@mail.gmail.com> Yes it does, and I can configure it, that is actually how I got the error out of it and found the switch is rebooting itself with a transmissions error. I googled for the default IP to see if that is problem, I will check on Monday about a firmware update as well. I will keep you all up to date, and thanks. On 11/10/06, Joe Guenther wrote: > > Yes, you need to connect to the switch the first time with a console > cable ... configure its ip address, give it a user name/password. Then you > can connect to it via a web browser. > This initial setup is documented in the the documentation booklet you got > with the switch. > > > Ray Garza wrote: > > Does the Dell Switch have a "console" port in the back? My Cisco switches do > and I can use a special serial cable to connect to it via hyperterminal > (windowz) without knowing the ip address. > > -ray > > On Wednesday 08 November 2006 15:49, Shane Sammons wrote: > > I honestly can't say, I searched the documentation CD for its IP address, > and I did not notice a default one, only how to use the console to change > it. I am home now, so I can not do anything with it, but perhaps I can try > adjusting the factory default IP to a new IP and see if that makes a > difference. > > Any other reason it could cause a whole switch to reboot? > > On 11/8/06, Joe Guenther wrote: > > I also use the same Dell switch for my LTSP install. I had the same DHCP > failure until I set every port in the Dell switch to fast link. The > switch is checking for spanning tree redundant links or circular paths. > thus by the time the switch is done its checking, the dhcp has given up > and quit. Set all the ports connected to end devices to fast link ... > under the spanning tree configuration ... and life will be good again. > > Joe Guenther > LANtech - Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > Dan Young wrote: > > Shane Sammons wrote: > > Well it seems i found the problem...now I need someone's help with why. > The switch is actually a Dell Power Connect 3324. It is working fine, > however it > > ... > > 01-Jan-2000 01:02:09 %TFTP-A-TftpTxERROR: An error message was sent: 0 > > http://www.google.com/search?q=TFTP+A+TftpTxERROR > > The only hits are on the Dell forums in regards to failed TFTP uploads > to the switch itself. > > Does the IP of the switch conflict with the IP of the terminal? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Nov 11 14:44:16 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:44:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <4554A51A.9010203@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0BC8@rbexfe.rb60.local> <4554A51A.9010203@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20061111144303.M84901@winonacotter.org> > > Why not just use > instead of >>? > should replace the file rather than > > append, and then you wouldn't need to remove the file, either. > > Yeah that's better, just have to move the redirection out of the loop: > > #!/bin/sh > MAILUSERS=$(getent group staff | cut -d':' -f4 | sed 's/,/ /g') > for EACH in $MAILUSERS; do > echo "$EACH at winonacotter.org OK" > done > /etc/mailusers > postmap hash:/etc/mailusers Thanks again everyone for all your help. I will implement the new script and the Postfix changes over the Thanksgiving break. Once again.... THIS LIST ROCKS!!! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jones.yeates at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 16:00:46 2006 From: jones.yeates at gmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:00:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a remote mail server and letting apache have access to it In-Reply-To: <1162758596.26297.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <7739b50611021604k60458f59x240afff502b450e@mail.gmail.com> <1162525302.3284.91.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611030934h3b4c2696j243df40058bfc264@mail.gmail.com> <7739b50611031141u4837107fi1eb5328844a0354@mail.gmail.com> <1162609813.6121.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <7739b50611050126r157df78fl1e5c2f1f4da1c3f7@mail.gmail.com> <1162758596.26297.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <7739b50611110800j3220ea4du7332cd99eb5b6bd@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for all of your help. I solved the problem. It wasn't a DNS problem or even a sendmail problem. It was a php problem. I had found a site that had incorrect information on it and was using it. Basically you just get sendmail.mc to do all the admin stuff like SMTP server, masquerading. Then php calls sendmail, and that's where you can change the from address using -f from at address as one of the options. I had -s for the SMTP server, which was very wrong. I couldn't understand why sendmail used -s for the SMTP server address and mail was using -s for the subject. Just thought sendmail was weird. So in the end the options that I used in the sendmail_path was -t -i -f from at address Thanks again for all of your help. On 11/5/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 03:26, jones yeates wrote: > > Whenever I do a make and I have the confTRUSTED_USERS it compiles fine > > but then it won't restart sendmail properly. > > This is probably a syntax error - m4 syntax is kind of obscure. > If you are following an example, note the direction of each > of the single quotes. But, all the trusted user setting does > is omit adding a Sender: header to point out cases where the From: > and real user don't match. You probably want it for this case > but the mail will go through either way. > > > I will try the confDOMAIN on (Monday), but I am not clear as to why I > > need a long address for the server for apache to work that is running > > on the same machine. > > Sendmail is an internet mailer. It wants to resolve names > using proper internet conventions and fully qualified domain > names are the only thing usable on the internet. It is also > going to try to resolve the destination addresses so it can > apply any IP based restrictions or mappings in your access > and other configuration files, even though it it will defer > actual delivery to your specified smarthost, so make sure > you have access to public DNS on this box. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 17:21:25 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:51:25 +0530 Subject: [Slightly OT] Re: [K12OSN] How about a scripting question :-) In-Reply-To: <20061111144303.M84901@winonacotter.org> References: <97E96531BC48B6439B5F81F6F24B92945E0BC8@rbexfe.rb60.local> <4554A51A.9010203@mesd.k12.or.us> <20061111144303.M84901@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <774593a20611110921k3e97cb32l2da4697b1be9f20f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > THIS LIST ROCKS!!! > Oh ummm...Tell us something new....This list is full of people who reach out and help ;-) -- Regards, Sudev Barar From pnelson.k12 at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 17:35:19 2006 From: pnelson.k12 at gmail.com (Paul Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 09:35:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [FOLLOW UP] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Anyone tried this thinclient? In-Reply-To: <774593a20611100548o7c728075n30873d85c055e7f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20608301702n1d86a459m9976ebc6af434e7a@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20611100548o7c728075n30873d85c055e7f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <508f42dc0611110935pb134f1cue5e5c4d1fde4e1d5@mail.gmail.com> snip........ > Got two numbers and tested them out. Worked wonderfully. The cost per > piece came out to be $120 plus shipping. They will give it for lower > price in bulk sales. > Do they pxe boot or did you have to do anything special to have them come up on a LTSP network? - - Paul From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Nov 13 02:06:57 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:06:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network reset ignores MACs In-Reply-To: <1163134216.17927.119.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1163134216.17927.119.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1163383617.21291.133.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> To reply to my lengthy post with a solution: The hardware is an HP DL385 system. The onboard Tigon NICs are where the problem is. I have not resolved whether the issue is with the chipset that controls the PCI bus or the Tigon chips themselves. If I removed all references to the ethX ordering from all files and just loaded the drivers, the tigon NICs ALWAYS presented themselves as eth0 and eth1. OK. That makes sense as they are earlier in the PCI bus tree and the kernel will find them before the add on cards. The solution to this situation was to simply renumber the ethX devices and let the Tigons be eth0 and eth1. The files /etc/modules.conf were setup for "alias eth0 tg3" and "alias eth1 tg3" and we still put the MAC address into the used rules in a new filed called 06-net_persistent_name.rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ . The system has been rebooted and the network restarted multiple times and no more renumbering of devices and the modules unload from a stopped network with one call to rmmod tg3 && rmmod e1000 . Apparently the driver doesn't like to remap the number on up. The e1000's are much more flexible. I did not have this issue on my test system which uses Broadcom NICs on the mainboard and e1000's for the add-on NICs. Whew! On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 23:50 -0500, James P. Kinney III wrote: > The hardware: > x2 dual-core Opteron 285 > x2 Tigon Gbit NICs on mainboard > x2 dual port Intel e1000 cards in PCI-X slots > > K12LTSP v. 5 w/ 2.6.18 kernel 64 bit > > The issue: > > During the setup of the clients, printers and teachers machines behind > the K12LTSP server, I need to add the teachers machines on a static NAT > for LANDesk (yeah, I know...) access by the central office. There is one > ethernet port used to access the school LAN on this type of machine (of > the remaining 5, 1 is a dedicated connection to the NFS server > for /home, the other 4 are bonded for serving the thin clients through > 24 port Gbit switches to up to 20 classrooms per server). I am using > virtual ethernet ports and iptables rules. > > The only way I can find to get a virtual port to start is to restart the > network service entirely. OK, it's down for just a few seconds. That's > an improvement over the current setup :) > > What I am seeing is the "service network restart" is not "clean". One > restart, we have had issues with ethx becoming ethy or ethz. Yet we have > the mac addresses listed in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethx. > > So we added rules in /etc/udev/rules.d (generated a new rules files and > put in "KERNEL="eth*",SYSFS{address}=="MAC ADDRESS HERE",NAME="ethx"" > for all of the 6 ports. We even ordered the aliases > in /etc/modprobe.conf to be in the proper order. > > If we take down the network and then try to remove the modules with > rmmod, the command returns no errors, but the module is still showing > loaded with lsmod. We noticed that is took exactly the number of network > restarts to remove the modules using rmmod. So it looked like each > network restart added alink to the modules. Yet the module still showed > a 0 for the "used by" column. > > Then we did all this again after a reboot and realized that what we had > seen was an anomaly of counting. It took 2 rmmod's for the tg3 and 4 for > the e1000. We have 2 Tigon (tg3) and 4 Intel NICS (e1000). Yet with the > networking off, it seems there should be no more connection to the > modules and they should just unload (I'm sending this to the kernel list > shortly after I grep through list for anything similar). > > So why is this an issue? > > Because for reasons unknown, sometimes when the network is restarted > during the teacher machine integration with the K12LTSP servers, the > networking setup ignores the device numbers and MAC addresses and comes > up a random mess. It doesn't clear up by just stopping networking and > removing the modules and restarting networking. We have to keep pulling > out the modules until they are _really_ unloaded and then restart > networking. > > But the strangest part of all is when ifconfig will change and show that > what was an e1000 NIC is now a tg3 NIC. dmesg shows the tg3 is now > trying to be the ethx of 2 of the e1000 NICs. And no "wrong module" > errors appear anywhere. > > We are _very_ close to tagging the hardware as flaky. It was not my > hardware choice but it's what I have to work with (HP DL385) and I have > 33 to install. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 02:38:28 2006 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:38:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] using Apple Open Directory for authentication In-Reply-To: <4540140D.8020806@maltzen.net> References: <4540140D.8020806@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 10/25/06, Peter Scheie wrote: > The tricky part: The district uses Apple Open Directory for user > authentication and some sort of centralized storage. Is anyone using > this with K12LTSP? For the storage, we'll just NFS-mount the users' > home directories, but for that to work we've got to have the K12LTSP > servers pointing to the AOD for authentication. I'm not a Mac person > and I'm not familiar with AOD. As I understand it, it's basically LDAP, > and I suspect I just need to do some PAM configuration to point to it. > Can anyone offer any advice on this or point to any how-to's? Thanks. This is the same way we run it. I wrote up some stuff in the wiki: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AIntegrateWithOSX -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://ryancollins.org/ Humor - http://rightfullyso.com/ From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 13 14:23:10 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:23:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Schedulling software In-Reply-To: <8C8D35C8A26F779-CA4-AB47@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8D35C8A26F779-CA4-AB47@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <45587FCE.4080109@maltzen.net> You might have a look at Zimbra (www.zimbra.com). It's a whole email/shared calendar/groupware package that competes with Exchange, so it might be overkill for what you want. OTOH, it's free, it's linux, and you've got nothing to lose in trying it. It got a nice front-page write-up in the WSJ today. Petr bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have any good links/ recommendations for open source > schedulling software? > We're trying to do some community planning with a number of different > volunteers for different shifts and the "spreadsheet" approach doesn't > quite cut it. > > thks > norbert > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail* > > -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 13 14:34:42 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:34:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] network reset ignores MACs In-Reply-To: <1163383617.21291.133.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1163134216.17927.119.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <1163383617.21291.133.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <45588282.1090402@maltzen.net> You mention putting aliases in /etc/modules.conf; did you really use that file or is that a typo which should have been /etc/modprobe.conf? I ask because 1) I thought modules.conf went away as of FC4, replaced by modprobe.conf; 2) Recently, on a test server, the onboard 100mb NIC was being seen as eth0 and the 1gb add-in card NIC was showing up as eth1, and I wanted them the other way around. I *thought* it would be just a matter of changing the aliases in /etc/modprobe.conf. But after changing modprobe.conf, neither NIC would work properly, and were still acting like they had their old settings. I eventually got it to work by changing the aliases via system-config-network, with the resulting /etc/modprobe.conf looking like...what it looked like when I edited the file by hand. Perhaps system-config-network makes some other changes, too (?). Petre James P. Kinney III wrote: > To reply to my lengthy post with a solution: > > The hardware is an HP DL385 system. The onboard Tigon NICs are where the > problem is. I have not resolved whether the issue is with the chipset > that controls the PCI bus or the Tigon chips themselves. > > If I removed all references to the ethX ordering from all files and just > loaded the drivers, the tigon NICs ALWAYS presented themselves as eth0 > and eth1. OK. That makes sense as they are earlier in the PCI bus tree > and the kernel will find them before the add on cards. > > The solution to this situation was to simply renumber the ethX devices > and let the Tigons be eth0 and eth1. The files /etc/modules.conf were > setup for "alias eth0 tg3" and "alias eth1 tg3" and we still put the MAC > address into the used rules in a new filed called > 06-net_persistent_name.rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ . The system has been > rebooted and the network restarted multiple times and no more > renumbering of devices and the modules unload from a stopped network > with one call to rmmod tg3 && rmmod e1000 . > > Apparently the driver doesn't like to remap the number on up. The > e1000's are much more flexible. I did not have this issue on my test > system which uses Broadcom NICs on the mainboard and e1000's for the > add-on NICs. > > Whew! > > On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 23:50 -0500, James P. Kinney III wrote: >> The hardware: >> x2 dual-core Opteron 285 >> x2 Tigon Gbit NICs on mainboard >> x2 dual port Intel e1000 cards in PCI-X slots >> >> K12LTSP v. 5 w/ 2.6.18 kernel 64 bit >> >> The issue: >> >> During the setup of the clients, printers and teachers machines behind >> the K12LTSP server, I need to add the teachers machines on a static NAT >> for LANDesk (yeah, I know...) access by the central office. There is one >> ethernet port used to access the school LAN on this type of machine (of >> the remaining 5, 1 is a dedicated connection to the NFS server >> for /home, the other 4 are bonded for serving the thin clients through >> 24 port Gbit switches to up to 20 classrooms per server). I am using >> virtual ethernet ports and iptables rules. >> >> The only way I can find to get a virtual port to start is to restart the >> network service entirely. OK, it's down for just a few seconds. That's >> an improvement over the current setup :) >> >> What I am seeing is the "service network restart" is not "clean". One >> restart, we have had issues with ethx becoming ethy or ethz. Yet we have >> the mac addresses listed in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethx. >> >> So we added rules in /etc/udev/rules.d (generated a new rules files and >> put in "KERNEL="eth*",SYSFS{address}=="MAC ADDRESS HERE",NAME="ethx"" >> for all of the 6 ports. We even ordered the aliases >> in /etc/modprobe.conf to be in the proper order. >> >> If we take down the network and then try to remove the modules with >> rmmod, the command returns no errors, but the module is still showing >> loaded with lsmod. We noticed that is took exactly the number of network >> restarts to remove the modules using rmmod. So it looked like each >> network restart added alink to the modules. Yet the module still showed >> a 0 for the "used by" column. >> >> Then we did all this again after a reboot and realized that what we had >> seen was an anomaly of counting. It took 2 rmmod's for the tg3 and 4 for >> the e1000. We have 2 Tigon (tg3) and 4 Intel NICS (e1000). Yet with the >> networking off, it seems there should be no more connection to the >> modules and they should just unload (I'm sending this to the kernel list >> shortly after I grep through list for anything similar). >> >> So why is this an issue? >> >> Because for reasons unknown, sometimes when the network is restarted >> during the teacher machine integration with the K12LTSP servers, the >> networking setup ignores the device numbers and MAC addresses and comes >> up a random mess. It doesn't clear up by just stopping networking and >> removing the modules and restarting networking. We have to keep pulling >> out the modules until they are _really_ unloaded and then restart >> networking. >> >> But the strangest part of all is when ifconfig will change and show that >> what was an e1000 NIC is now a tg3 NIC. dmesg shows the tg3 is now >> trying to be the ethx of 2 of the e1000 NICs. And no "wrong module" >> errors appear anywhere. >> >> We are _very_ close to tagging the hardware as flaky. It was not my >> hardware choice but it's what I have to work with (HP DL385) and I have >> 33 to install. >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Nov 13 15:08:27 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:08:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network reset ignores MACs In-Reply-To: <45588282.1090402@maltzen.net> References: <1163134216.17927.119.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <1163383617.21291.133.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <45588282.1090402@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1163430507.21291.246.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> It was /etc/modprobe.conf. I mis-remembered back to the old days of 2.2-2.4 kernels. :) On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 08:34 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > You mention putting aliases in /etc/modules.conf; did you really use that file or is > that a typo which should have been /etc/modprobe.conf? I ask because 1) I thought > modules.conf went away as of FC4, replaced by modprobe.conf; 2) Recently, on a test > server, the onboard 100mb NIC was being seen as eth0 and the 1gb add-in card NIC was > showing up as eth1, and I wanted them the other way around. I *thought* it would be > just a matter of changing the aliases in /etc/modprobe.conf. But after changing > modprobe.conf, neither NIC would work properly, and were still acting like they had > their old settings. I eventually got it to work by changing the aliases via > system-config-network, with the resulting /etc/modprobe.conf looking like...what it > looked like when I edited the file by hand. Perhaps system-config-network makes some > other changes, too (?). > > Petre > > James P. Kinney III wrote: > > To reply to my lengthy post with a solution: > > > > The hardware is an HP DL385 system. The onboard Tigon NICs are where the > > problem is. I have not resolved whether the issue is with the chipset > > that controls the PCI bus or the Tigon chips themselves. > > > > If I removed all references to the ethX ordering from all files and just > > loaded the drivers, the tigon NICs ALWAYS presented themselves as eth0 > > and eth1. OK. That makes sense as they are earlier in the PCI bus tree > > and the kernel will find them before the add on cards. > > > > The solution to this situation was to simply renumber the ethX devices > > and let the Tigons be eth0 and eth1. The files /etc/modules.conf were > > setup for "alias eth0 tg3" and "alias eth1 tg3" and we still put the MAC > > address into the used rules in a new filed called > > 06-net_persistent_name.rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ . The system has been > > rebooted and the network restarted multiple times and no more > > renumbering of devices and the modules unload from a stopped network > > with one call to rmmod tg3 && rmmod e1000 . > > > > Apparently the driver doesn't like to remap the number on up. The > > e1000's are much more flexible. I did not have this issue on my test > > system which uses Broadcom NICs on the mainboard and e1000's for the > > add-on NICs. > > > > Whew! > > > > On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 23:50 -0500, James P. Kinney III wrote: > >> The hardware: > >> x2 dual-core Opteron 285 > >> x2 Tigon Gbit NICs on mainboard > >> x2 dual port Intel e1000 cards in PCI-X slots > >> > >> K12LTSP v. 5 w/ 2.6.18 kernel 64 bit > >> > >> The issue: > >> > >> During the setup of the clients, printers and teachers machines behind > >> the K12LTSP server, I need to add the teachers machines on a static NAT > >> for LANDesk (yeah, I know...) access by the central office. There is one > >> ethernet port used to access the school LAN on this type of machine (of > >> the remaining 5, 1 is a dedicated connection to the NFS server > >> for /home, the other 4 are bonded for serving the thin clients through > >> 24 port Gbit switches to up to 20 classrooms per server). I am using > >> virtual ethernet ports and iptables rules. > >> > >> The only way I can find to get a virtual port to start is to restart the > >> network service entirely. OK, it's down for just a few seconds. That's > >> an improvement over the current setup :) > >> > >> What I am seeing is the "service network restart" is not "clean". One > >> restart, we have had issues with ethx becoming ethy or ethz. Yet we have > >> the mac addresses listed in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethx. > >> > >> So we added rules in /etc/udev/rules.d (generated a new rules files and > >> put in "KERNEL="eth*",SYSFS{address}=="MAC ADDRESS HERE",NAME="ethx"" > >> for all of the 6 ports. We even ordered the aliases > >> in /etc/modprobe.conf to be in the proper order. > >> > >> If we take down the network and then try to remove the modules with > >> rmmod, the command returns no errors, but the module is still showing > >> loaded with lsmod. We noticed that is took exactly the number of network > >> restarts to remove the modules using rmmod. So it looked like each > >> network restart added alink to the modules. Yet the module still showed > >> a 0 for the "used by" column. > >> > >> Then we did all this again after a reboot and realized that what we had > >> seen was an anomaly of counting. It took 2 rmmod's for the tg3 and 4 for > >> the e1000. We have 2 Tigon (tg3) and 4 Intel NICS (e1000). Yet with the > >> networking off, it seems there should be no more connection to the > >> modules and they should just unload (I'm sending this to the kernel list > >> shortly after I grep through list for anything similar). > >> > >> So why is this an issue? > >> > >> Because for reasons unknown, sometimes when the network is restarted > >> during the teacher machine integration with the K12LTSP servers, the > >> networking setup ignores the device numbers and MAC addresses and comes > >> up a random mess. It doesn't clear up by just stopping networking and > >> removing the modules and restarting networking. We have to keep pulling > >> out the modules until they are _really_ unloaded and then restart > >> networking. > >> > >> But the strangest part of all is when ifconfig will change and show that > >> what was an e1000 NIC is now a tg3 NIC. dmesg shows the tg3 is now > >> trying to be the ethx of 2 of the e1000 NICs. And no "wrong module" > >> errors appear anywhere. > >> > >> We are _very_ close to tagging the hardware as flaky. It was not my > >> hardware choice but it's what I have to work with (HP DL385) and I have > >> 33 to install. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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Thanks, Peter From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 18:10:41 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:10:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone point me at/send me the contents of opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/ In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611100936x572ec5feo60d42d64b2c8bb30@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611091536y4cc247d0u10c4c475e7f05cf0@mail.gmail.com> <4553C9EB.6020405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <2be970b50611100936x572ec5feo60d42d64b2c8bb30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50611131010k7be506dfl534fe409d7ef3362@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, Well I downloaded the rpm's but I don't have any tools on Ubuntu to extract them. So I can't tell if this is where the scripts for pushing stuff to users desktops is or not. Can anyone just zip up the scripts they are using with k12ltsp and send them to me? It would be much appreciated. Thanks, John On 11/10/06, john wrote: > > Thanks all! I guess what I was looking for was the set of scripts that > folks like Eric have written that ease adminstration. Like setting all users > OO preferences to .doc , or resetting users desktops. Are those located in > sp_config- 0.0.38-k12ltsp.5.0.1.src.rpm ? > > Again, thanks! > > John > > On 11/9/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > john wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I am running LTSP on Ubuntu 6.06 and wondered if someone could point > > me > > > at or send me the user config scripts used in k12ltsp. I think these > > > usually live in /*opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux* / I don't have a > > k12ltsp > > > server running right now and I Google didn't show me anything online > > in > > > this regard. > > > > > > > > > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux* are specific to K12LTSP, you don't want > > to use them on Ubuntu. > > > > > > If you are using Ubuntu's LTSP, the equivalent script is: > > > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup > > > > > > If you are using LTSP from ltsp.org, run ltspadmin > > > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Nov 13 18:46:54 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:46:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone point me at/send me the contents of=?ISO-8859-1?Q? opt/ltsp/templates?= In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611131010k7be506dfl534fe409d7ef3362@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611091536y4cc247d0u10c4c475e7f05cf0@mail.gmail.com> < > <4553C9EB.6020405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <2be970b50611100936x572ec5feo60d42d64b2c8bb30@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50611131010k7be506dfl534fe409d7ef3362@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Hello all, > >Well I downloaded the rpm's but I don't have any tools on Ubuntu to >extract them. So I can't tell if this is where the scripts for pushing >stuff to users desktops is or not. Can anyone just zip up the scripts >they are using with k12ltsp and send them to me? > >It would be much appreciated. > >Thanks, > >John As Eric pointed out in an earlier post....you can't use them in Ubuntu....the paths are all different.....you can only use them on Fedora at this point. Now....one other note (and not that you should do this in this case, but you can install some rpm's on Ubuntu (or pretty much any Debian based system) by using "alien". You would run something alien k12ltpspackage.rpm and that will convert the rpm into a deb file. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Nov 13 18:48:50 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:48:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NYC Professional Development for Teachers : OSS In-Reply-To: <9bd317560611130949l12d0799elab82594422767b5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560611130949l12d0799elab82594422767b5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >I'm looking for someone to teach our teachers some open source >software. Perhaps Gimp, OpenOffice, Ktoon, scribus etc. in the New >York City area. Does anyone here do that or know someone who does >that? > >Thanks, >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Stay tuned....we will be offering just what you're looking for with NELS 2007 (name to be changed) (http://www.nelinux.net. We have 3 of them planned for this year....one in Maine, one at UNH, and a new one in Washinton DC. > David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 19:00:43 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:00:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NYC Professional Development for Teachers : OSS In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560611130949l12d0799elab82594422767b5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560611131100t620f39d0oba8788661d457a08@mail.gmail.com> That's awesome(!)...I will stay tuned. But just to clarify I'm actually looking for a local person/group to come in several times a year. Peter Hartmann On 11/13/06, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >I'm looking for someone to teach our teachers some open source > >software. Perhaps Gimp, OpenOffice, Ktoon, scribus etc. in the New > >York City area. Does anyone here do that or know someone who does > >that? > > > >Thanks, > >Peter > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > Stay tuned....we will be offering just what you're looking for with NELS > 2007 (name to be changed) (http://www.nelinux.net. We have 3 of them > planned for this year....one in Maine, one at UNH, and a new one in > Washinton DC. > > > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From caldodge at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 19:01:36 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:01:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Schedulling software In-Reply-To: <45587FCE.4080109@maltzen.net> References: <8C8D35C8A26F779-CA4-AB47@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com> <45587FCE.4080109@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0611131101l6d86ca01m3414e26c5bb62767@mail.gmail.com> On 11/13/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > You might have a look at Zimbra (www.zimbra.com). It's a whole email/shared > calendar/groupware package that competes with Exchange, so it might be overkill for what > you want. OTOH, it's free, it's linux, and you've got nothing to lose in trying it. It > got a nice front-page write-up in the WSJ today. We've (my employer) been using it for a while, and it works for us. We've just enabled simple document creation/sharing, so I can't tell you how well that works. But if I create an appointment with other employees, they get an email notice which they can respond to on the Zimbra email web page, OR with Outlook if that's their preferred email client. If you go that route, I'd suggest you dedicate a machine to it, since Zimbra takes a lot of RAM (and CPU at startup), and it takes over a number of ports, since it has email and web services built-in. We have it on a leased server with 512 megs of RAM and a 2.5 GHz Celeron (P4-type), and it seems to work fine on that system. Calvin From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 19:04:22 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:04:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem setting up sound for thin clients: ALSA instead of ESD?! Message-ID: <2be970b50611131104r7525b70fyd0d56bb4ca3fa0da@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I am trying to set up LTSP to use ESD so that I can have sound on my thin clients. However when I do: esdplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav I get the following message: ja at ltsp:~$ esdplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such device ALSA lib confmisc.c:1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such device ALSA lib conf.c:3962:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device ALSA lib pcm.c:2102:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such device ALSA lib confmisc.c:1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such device ALSA lib conf.c:3962:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device ALSA lib pcm.c:2102:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default So I am obviously using ALSA instead of ESD. My question is, how do I use ESD? My lts.conf looks like: [Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.254 XSERVER = auto X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USE_XFS = N SCREEN_01 = startx SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = esd VOLUME = 75 Weirdly enough, doing ps aux | grep esd and ps aux | grep alsa shows no sound daemons running. Your wisdom would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can anyone just zip up the scripts > >they are using with k12ltsp and send them to me? > > > >It would be much appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > > > >John > > As Eric pointed out in an earlier post....you can't use them in > Ubuntu....the paths are all different.....you can only use them on Fedora > at this point. Now....one other note (and not that you should do this in > this case, but you can install some rpm's on Ubuntu (or pretty much any > Debian based system) by using "alien". You would run something > alien k12ltpspackage.rpm and that will convert the rpm into a deb file. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shane.sammons at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 19:08:57 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:08:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611101911s207aad27wd54eb551343b6351@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> <45524E07.90304@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <3610bbec0611081349r10f56423g55179bda30fd13b9@mail.gmail.com> <200611090841.35844.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <45551018.6020503@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <3610bbec0611101911s207aad27wd54eb551343b6351@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3610bbec0611131108q596afb5bibd337d3471c515ba@mail.gmail.com> Ok I have successfully trouble shot the switch. Thanks to a handy fine with Google, and not being able to find what they are talking about I got 2 older switch an Intel 510T (I know...bad reports on this..works though) and a 3com 10T Super Stack II 1100 Switch. It would seem the Dell PowerConnect 3324 and 3348 suffer from a LONG delay in negotiations or something. I tried disabling auto negotiation and a setting its MDIX mode to no avail. I have given up on this switch. If anyone would like to read more of what I found it was here: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Q_21738490.html If anyone else with better networking skills and troubleshoot the switch that would be great. For now I have enough old switches to make my testing enviroment. Thanks for the help so far. Should we call this resolved or unfixable. BTW, I did update to the latest firmware, which is actually software. If anyone would like to know the versions let me know. I have just packed it up and will use it in a non-boot network enviroment. On 11/10/06, Shane Sammons wrote: > > Yes it does, and I can configure it, that is actually how I got the error > out of it and found the switch is rebooting itself with a transmissions > error. I googled for the default IP to see if that is problem, I will check > on Monday about a firmware update as well. > > I will keep you all up to date, and thanks. > > On 11/10/06, Joe Guenther wrote: > > > > Yes, you need to connect to the switch the first time with a console > > cable ... configure its ip address, give it a user name/password. Then you > > can connect to it via a web browser. > > This initial setup is documented in the the documentation booklet you > > got with the switch. > > > > > > Ray Garza wrote: > > > > Does the Dell Switch have a "console" port in the back? My Cisco switches do > > and I can use a special serial cable to connect to it via hyperterminal > > (windowz) without knowing the ip address. > > > > -ray > > > > On Wednesday 08 November 2006 15:49, Shane Sammons wrote: > > > > I honestly can't say, I searched the documentation CD for its IP address, > > and I did not notice a default one, only how to use the console to change > > it. I am home now, so I can not do anything with it, but perhaps I can try > > adjusting the factory default IP to a new IP and see if that makes a > > difference. > > > > Any other reason it could cause a whole switch to reboot? > > > > On 11/8/06, Joe Guenther > > wrote: > > > > I also use the same Dell switch for my LTSP install. I had the same DHCP > > failure until I set every port in the Dell switch to fast link. The > > switch is checking for spanning tree redundant links or circular paths. > > thus by the time the switch is done its checking, the dhcp has given up > > and quit. Set all the ports connected to end devices to fast link ... > > under the spanning tree configuration ... and life will be good again. > > > > Joe Guenther > > LANtech - Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > > > > Dan Young wrote: > > > > Shane Sammons wrote: > > > > Well it seems i found the problem...now I need someone's help with why. > > The switch is actually a Dell Power Connect 3324. It is working fine, > > however it > > > > ... > > > > 01-Jan-2000 01:02:09 %TFTP-A-TftpTxERROR: An error message was sent: 0 > > > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=TFTP+A+TftpTxERROR > > > > The only hits are on the Dell forums in regards to failed TFTP uploads > > to the switch itself. > > > > Does the IP of the switch conflict with the IP of the terminal? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From shane.sammons at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 19:33:57 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:33:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum Message-ID: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everyone, I had a little side questions about a forum in a previous question. However, I wanted to be a member here for at least a week to see the flow and organization of stuff here. Now I have decided it is time to ask your thoughts and opinions on forums. Not to replace the mailing list, but to offer a more interactive, community driven, better organized, and active resource to add to the items K12LTSP and such might have. I think a lot of good can come from it, but only if many people agree and willing to use it. I am willing to host it and provide a license I have or use a free forum like phpBB or Simple Machine. I have a lifetime Invision Power Board license that I am not using anymore and can easily place on a subdomain of the site I registered it with. I think vBulletin would be a great board to have, and I know the XML based mods for it make it VERY easy to add awesome features to, I just don't have a license for that one. So that said, what are your thoughts and reasons pro or con. Mine Pro: *We can organize, categorize, and sub-forums things Think of things broken down like Client Setup -> Brand -> Model with topic for each system, how much cleaner could it be? *Its able to be searched, no need to use Google, though we all love it, you need not take an extra step *We can rank members, give awards (special ranks), and if modded even more potentially *We can moderators to help manage posts and topics, editing, and more is available. *It is database driven, which we can export and move elsewhere is the time comes *It is convertible, most major forums convert between each other without topics loss *Member groups allows easy identification of developers, contributors, company reps, etc. and can be optional *You can still "subscribe" to topics and forums to still get email updates of events. *We can make guides and topic solutions that can be submitted to the Wiki *Because of categories the community can have "other" topics to help branch out beyond the scope mailing list Here are the pros I can think of: Requires Internet browser, can't just use your email. Will likely require a login, at least in most areas. Likely to confuse people as its like the mailing list and might be thought of as just "one more web page to visit" Requires community interaction and support to operate adequately. Loads the server as all users are connected to a single point, not their inbox. Well hopefully that is a good start, and you can all share with me. I would like to help this project out, and I feel a forum is the one area I can contribute. However, I just want to make sure it is a valid option and choice to help out with. Thanks, Shane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 13 19:35:09 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:35:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem setting up sound for thin clients: ALSA instead of ESD?! In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611131104r7525b70fyd0d56bb4ca3fa0da@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611131104r7525b70fyd0d56bb4ca3fa0da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4558C8ED.7010207@maltzen.net> You may need to install Gideon Romm's esd-alsa package. See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 Petre john wrote: > Hi all, > > I am trying to set up LTSP to use ESD so that I can have sound on my > thin clients. However when I do: > esdplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav > > I get the following message: > > ja at ltsp:~$ esdplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav > ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' > ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function > snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device > ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings > ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib confmisc.c:1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name > ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib conf.c:3962:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device > ALSA lib pcm.c:2102:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default > ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' > ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function > snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device > ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings > ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib confmisc.c:1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name > ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer > returned error: No such device > ALSA lib conf.c:3962:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device > ALSA lib pcm.c:2102:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default > > So I am obviously using ALSA instead of ESD. My question is, how do I > use ESD? My lts.conf looks like: > [Default] > SERVER = 192.168.0.254 > XSERVER = auto > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > USE_XFS = N > SCREEN_01 = startx > SOUND = Y > SOUND_DAEMON = esd > VOLUME = 75 > > Weirdly enough, doing ps aux | grep esd and > ps aux | grep alsa shows no sound daemons running. > > Your wisdom would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > > John > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From k12osn at deltacfax.com Mon Nov 13 19:42:21 2006 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:42:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mondoarchive in K12LTSP 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <4554E231.1010103@deltacfax.com> References: <4554E231.1010103@deltacfax.com> Message-ID: <4558CA9D.6060709@deltacfax.com> Tim Born wrote: > Has anyone gotten Mondo to work on K12LTSP 4.4.1? > I'm the *only* one backing up my system with Mondo ?? OK, I'll bite. What else makes bare-metal recovery CDs on K12LTSP? -tim From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 13 19:53:19 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:53:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mondoarchive in K12LTSP 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <4558CA9D.6060709@deltacfax.com> References: <4554E231.1010103@deltacfax.com> <4558CA9D.6060709@deltacfax.com> Message-ID: <4558CD2F.7010805@maltzen.net> mkcdrec Tim Born wrote: > Tim Born wrote: > >> Has anyone gotten Mondo to work on K12LTSP 4.4.1? >> > I'm the *only* one backing up my system with Mondo ?? > > OK, I'll bite. What else makes bare-metal recovery CDs on K12LTSP? > > -tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 20:05:05 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:05:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/13/06, Shane Sammons wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I had a little side questions about a forum in a previous question. > However, I wanted to be a member here for at least a week to see the flow > and organization of stuff here. > > Now I have decided it is time to ask your thoughts and opinions on forums. > Not to replace the mailing list, but to offer a more interactive, community > driven, better organized, and active resource to add to the items K12LTSP > and such might have. I think a lot of good can come from it, but only if > many people agree and willing to use it. > My vote is NO. Let me quickly go through your list of Pros: > *We can organize, categorize, and sub-forums things > Think of things broken down like Client Setup -> Brand -> Model with topic > for each system, how much cleaner could it be? > We should capture information and put it on a Wiki. A set of messages/problems do not necessarily fit one category, or is not posed in such a way to fit an existing category, but can be post-edited to follow some hierarchy. If someone is having severe issues and can't categorize it as being their client, their server, or their switch, then most issues will originally end up in a catch all group anyway, or worse the wrong group. > *Its able to be searched, no need to use Google, though we all love it, > you need not take an extra step > K12OSN can be searched also from the mailing list webpage I thought? If not, then is using Google really that hard? Some people may not realize there is a mailing list and by using Google they can find it, it will be much harder if Google can't spider our forum boards as easily. > *We can rank members, give awards (special ranks), and if modded even more > potentially > I don't see a need for this. Most people on the list are naturally helpful and don't have to be tossed trinkets such as a rank or award to help others out. > *We can moderators to help manage posts and topics, editing, and more is > available. > I for one am bogged down as it is with all the Linux and educational FOSS mailing lists I am on and I don't know if there are too many people that will raise their hands to do more work. I also believe in the free and open flow of information, without moderators. > *It is database driven, which we can export and move elsewhere is the time > comes *It is convertible, most major forums convert between each other without > topics loss These really don't count. You assume we want a forum to begin with so not losing the information and converting the forum data to another forum system is a good thing. > *Member groups allows easy identification of developers, contributors, > company reps, etc. and can be optional Just have people add it to their signatures, but please no more then 6 lines or 200 characters. > *You can still "subscribe" to topics and forums to still get email updates > of events. > This could be useful. > *We can make guides and topic solutions that can be submitted to the Wiki Nothing stopping us from doing it now. > *Because of categories the community can have "other" topics to help > branch out beyond the scope mailing list There are already other mailing lists and associations out there. To think that we can take something that is very technical and branch out and get more members might be harder then you think. 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URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 13 20:21:46 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:21:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] mondoarchive in K12LTSP 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <4554E231.1010103@deltacfax.com> References: <4554E231.1010103@deltacfax.com> Message-ID: <4558D3DA.1060001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Tim Born wrote: > K12LTSP 4.4.1 > A new installation, w/ 'yum update' to collect all the recent updates. > > I don't know who to thank, but I'm really, really pleased to see Mondo > available and installed on K12LTSP. > This has been one of my favorite backup tools for several years. > > We are running mondo-2.10-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1. > I've tried four times to make a backup set, and each time it fails when > I boot off the first CD to verify (compare). > I get complaints scrolling by that it can't find various commands (grep: > not found, portmap: not found, loadkeys: not found, mount: not found, etc.) > It leaves me in single user with a BusyBox prompt. > I've used CDs and CD-RWs. I've tried different combination of answers > on the gui screens (yes/no my CD uses burn-proof, yes/no my kernel is sane > - I would sure hope FC4 would have a sane kernel, but I even tried > lying). I tried it from the command line as well. No joy in Mudville. > > Has anyone gotten Mondo to work on K12LTSP 4.4.1? > > When running from the command line I saw an interesting message go by. > Something to the effect that "Linux says 2.6 has a broken ide-scsi > module. Proceed at your own risk ..." > > Basically the CDs are getting written, but when I boot to verify they > bomb out. > > thanks, > -tim This may be the same issue that can cause install disk verifies to fail (falsely). Try appending "ide=nodma" to the boot options when booting the restore cd. -Eric From steven at simplycircus.com Mon Nov 13 20:56:43 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:56:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Shane, This has been discussed here before. The bottom line with it is that it just wouldn't fit with everyones current workflow nearly as well as an email list does. My vote for changing to a forums set-up would be a no. Something like PHPBB and Mail2Forums was sugested, allowing everyone the best of both worlds, but no one ever did anything with it. While my vote for changing to a forum is a no, I think a forum could add a lot. If you are gun-ho about this, if you have the time to put into this, the technical skill to do this, and you really wanted to create a site that would start to change peoples minds, you would have to offer them content that they will use and that is easier than what they currently do. Here are some ideas for you to think about: - a single board with feeds to/from all of the various LTSP mailing lists (Ltsp-discuss, Ltsp-developer, Ltsp-announce, Ltsp-translations. - a google coop search for LTSP specific websites. - set up a bot to allow automated captures of irc.freenode.net #ltsp and #ltsp-docs conversations and then have the transcripts automatically posted to the site (politics of that are up to you to figure out...). - a news blog or newsletter type thing for LTSP, with news summeries from the various lists, IRC's and CVS changes. - an updated a set of key links to good LTSP websites. - set up a "K12LTSP-Teachers" forum, and answer questions in that forum (hard questions can easily be forwarded to this list for more technical help) - set up torrents for all K12LTSP ISO's - Try to figure out other ways to get LTSP content on such a site that would draw people in and help enhance the community, rather than trying to change it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Shane Sammons Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:34 PM To: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum Hi Everyone, I had a little side questions about a forum in a previous question. However, I wanted to be a member here for at least a week to see the flow and organization of stuff here. Now I have decided it is time to ask your thoughts and opinions on forums. Not to replace the mailing list, but to offer a more interactive, community driven, better organized, and active resource to add to the items K12LTSP and such might have. I think a lot of good can come from it, but only if many people agree and willing to use it. I am willing to host it and provide a license I have or use a free forum like phpBB or Simple Machine. I have a lifetime Invision Power Board license that I am not using anymore and can easily place on a subdomain of the site I registered it with. I think vBulletin would be a great board to have, and I know the XML based mods for it make it VERY easy to add awesome features to, I just don't have a license for that one. So that said, what are your thoughts and reasons pro or con. Mine Pro: *We can organize, categorize, and sub-forums things Think of things broken down like Client Setup -> Brand -> Model with topic for each system, how much cleaner could it be? *Its able to be searched, no need to use Google, though we all love it, you need not take an extra step *We can rank members, give awards (special ranks), and if modded even more potentially *We can moderators to help manage posts and topics, editing, and more is available. *It is database driven, which we can export and move elsewhere is the time comes *It is convertible, most major forums convert between each other without topics loss *Member groups allows easy identification of developers, contributors, company reps, etc. and can be optional *You can still "subscribe" to topics and forums to still get email updates of events. *We can make guides and topic solutions that can be submitted to the Wiki *Because of categories the community can have "other" topics to help branch out beyond the scope mailing list Here are the pros I can think of: Requires Internet browser, can't just use your email. Will likely require a login, at least in most areas. Likely to confuse people as its like the mailing list and might be thought of as just "one more web page to visit" Requires community interaction and support to operate adequately. Loads the server as all users are connected to a single point, not their inbox. Well hopefully that is a good start, and you can all share with me. I would like to help this project out, and I feel a forum is the one area I can contribute. However, I just want to make sure it is a valid option and choice to help out with. Thanks, Shane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Nov 13 21:15:32 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:15:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree...a wiki is a better idea, but it must be added to. The problem with a forum is that someone with the answer actually has to go there and post an answer to a question. The mailing list....while a bit unorganized will get much quicker results. A more active wiki....like the Ubuntu wiki will give us a place to put more permanent help. Just my $.02 Darryl_Palmer_Jr at acm.org writes: >On 11/13/06, Shane Sammons <[ mailto:shane.sammons at gmail.com >]shane.sammons at gmail.com> wrote: > > >Hi Everyone, > >I had a little side questions about a forum in a previous question. >However, I wanted to be a member here for at least a week to see the flow >and organization of stuff here. > >Now I have decided it is time to ask your thoughts and opinions on >forums. Not to replace the mailing list, but to offer a more interactive, >community driven, better organized, and active resource to add to the >items K12LTSP and such might have. I think a lot of good can come from >it, but only if many people agree and willing to use it. > > >My vote is NO. > >Let me quickly go through your list of Pros: > > > > >*We can organize, categorize, and sub-forums things >Think of things broken down like Client Setup -> Brand -> Model with >topic for each system, how much cleaner could it be? > > >We should capture information and put it on a Wiki. A set of >messages/problems do not necessarily fit one category, or is not posed in >such a way to fit an existing category, but can be post-edited to follow >some hierarchy. If someone is having severe issues and can't categorize >it as being their client, their server, or their switch, then most issues >will originally end up in a catch all group anyway, or worse the wrong >group. > > > >*Its able to be searched, no need to use Google, though we all love it, >you need not take an extra step > >K12OSN can be searched also from the mailing list webpage I thought? If >not, then is using Google really that hard? Some people may not realize >there is a mailing list and by using Google they can find it, it will be >much harder if Google can't spider our forum boards as easily. > > > > >*We can rank members, give awards (special ranks), and if modded even >more potentially > >I don't see a need for this. Most people on the list are naturally >helpful and don't have to be tossed trinkets such as a rank or award to >help others out. > > > >*We can moderators to help manage posts and topics, editing, and more is >available. > >I for one am bogged down as it is with all the Linux and educational FOSS >mailing lists I am on and I don't know if there are too many people that >will raise their hands to do more work. I also believe in the free and >open flow of information, without moderators. > > > >*It is database driven, which we can export and move elsewhere is the >time comes > > >*It is convertible, most major forums convert between each other without >topics loss > >These really don't count. You assume we want a forum to begin with so >not losing the information and converting the forum data to another forum >system is a good thing. > > > >*Member groups allows easy identification of developers, contributors, >company reps, etc. and can be optional > >Just have people add it to their signatures, but please no more then 6 >lines or 200 characters. > > > > >*You can still "subscribe" to topics and forums to still get email >updates of events. > >This could be useful. > > > >*We can make guides and topic solutions that can be submitted to the Wiki > >Nothing stopping us from doing it now. > > > >*Because of categories the community can have "other" topics to help >branch out beyond the scope mailing list > >There are already other mailing lists and associations out there. To >think that we can take something that is very technical and branch out >and get more members might be harder then you think. Hosting for other >groups or creating an umbrella association may be better, but then we >already have SchoolForge. > >Darryl > _______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From skossakoski at sau16.org Mon Nov 13 21:09:15 2006 From: skossakoski at sau16.org (Steve Kossakoski) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:09:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NYC Professional Development for Teachers : OSS Message-ID: Peter, The Seacoast Professional Development Center in Exeter, NH can deliver instruction by web conference and Skype or via video conferencing. Let me know "off-list" if you're interested. http://www.spdc.org also http://www.k12opensource.org Steve skossakoski at sau16.org. I'm looking for someone to teach our teachers some open source software. Perhaps Gimp, OpenOffice, Ktoon, scribus etc. in the New York City area. Does anyone here do that or know someone who does that? Thanks, Peter From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 13 21:15:22 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:15:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> Yes, I wish the k12ltsp wiki had a *prominent* link right on the first page of k12ltsp.org. OTOH, Ubuntu has Canonical driving it; k12ltsp just has...us. ;-) Petre David Trask wrote: > I agree...a wiki is a better idea, but it must be added to. The problem > with a forum is that someone with the answer actually has to go there and > post an answer to a question. The mailing list....while a bit unorganized > will get much quicker results. A more active wiki....like the Ubuntu > wiki will give us a place to put more permanent help. Just my $.02 > > Darryl_Palmer_Jr at acm.org writes: >> On 11/13/06, Shane Sammons <[ mailto:shane.sammons at gmail.com >> ]shane.sammons at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I had a little side questions about a forum in a previous question. >> However, I wanted to be a member here for at least a week to see the flow >> and organization of stuff here. >> >> Now I have decided it is time to ask your thoughts and opinions on >> forums. Not to replace the mailing list, but to offer a more interactive, >> community driven, better organized, and active resource to add to the >> items K12LTSP and such might have. I think a lot of good can come from >> it, but only if many people agree and willing to use it. >> >> >> My vote is NO. >> >> Let me quickly go through your list of Pros: >> >> >> >> >> *We can organize, categorize, and sub-forums things >> Think of things broken down like Client Setup -> Brand -> Model with >> topic for each system, how much cleaner could it be? >> >> >> We should capture information and put it on a Wiki. A set of >> messages/problems do not necessarily fit one category, or is not posed in >> such a way to fit an existing category, but can be post-edited to follow >> some hierarchy. If someone is having severe issues and can't categorize >> it as being their client, their server, or their switch, then most issues >> will originally end up in a catch all group anyway, or worse the wrong >> group. >> >> >> >> *Its able to be searched, no need to use Google, though we all love it, >> you need not take an extra step >> >> K12OSN can be searched also from the mailing list webpage I thought? If >> not, then is using Google really that hard? Some people may not realize >> there is a mailing list and by using Google they can find it, it will be >> much harder if Google can't spider our forum boards as easily. >> >> >> >> >> *We can rank members, give awards (special ranks), and if modded even >> more potentially >> >> I don't see a need for this. Most people on the list are naturally >> helpful and don't have to be tossed trinkets such as a rank or award to >> help others out. >> >> >> >> *We can moderators to help manage posts and topics, editing, and more is >> available. >> >> I for one am bogged down as it is with all the Linux and educational FOSS >> mailing lists I am on and I don't know if there are too many people that >> will raise their hands to do more work. I also believe in the free and >> open flow of information, without moderators. >> >> >> >> *It is database driven, which we can export and move elsewhere is the >> time comes >> >> >> *It is convertible, most major forums convert between each other without >> topics loss >> >> These really don't count. You assume we want a forum to begin with so >> not losing the information and converting the forum data to another forum >> system is a good thing. >> >> >> >> *Member groups allows easy identification of developers, contributors, >> company reps, etc. and can be optional >> >> Just have people add it to their signatures, but please no more then 6 >> lines or 200 characters. >> >> >> >> >> *You can still "subscribe" to topics and forums to still get email >> updates of events. >> >> This could be useful. >> >> >> >> *We can make guides and topic solutions that can be submitted to the Wiki >> >> Nothing stopping us from doing it now. >> >> >> >> *Because of categories the community can have "other" topics to help >> branch out beyond the scope mailing list >> >> There are already other mailing lists and associations out there. To >> think that we can take something that is very technical and branch out >> and get more members might be harder then you think. Hosting for other >> groups or creating an umbrella association may be better, but then we >> already have SchoolForge. >> >> Darryl >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Nov 13 21:47:25 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:47:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] login box dont get a "beep" Message-ID: <1163454445.1893.4.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hello listers,, This is a very minor thing ,but on the servers that i have updated to K12LTSP v5 we no longer get the customary "beep" when the client has booted up,and the login box appears? Is this by design? Is there a way to re-enable this as it has been in previous versions of K12LTSP? I shouldnt even bother with it, I'm sure. Thanks, Barry Cisna westcentral school From RSTAMPS at bentonville.k12.ar.us Mon Nov 13 21:54:17 2006 From: RSTAMPS at bentonville.k12.ar.us (STAMPS, RANE) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:54:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] User already logged in prompt Message-ID: Hi, I am running Fedora Core 5 with LTSP 4.2 and I have set up an environment for kinder guarders to play educational games. Well to be convenient for the teacher and my self, I set up one user for all 7 classrooms. So the thin pxe's to the server and they login using the same account and it puts up a prompt that says "User is already Logged in." then with buttons that say "Login anyways" and "Cancel". Is anyone aware of a way to hide this prompt or disable it. Thank you, Rane Stamps _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shane.sammons at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 21:55:39 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:55:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <3610bbec0611131355x4a65129dje67fda7fffc17950@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the input so far. I don't think I would want the mailing list to stop or be replaced. I see your points, and like you all have said, if I feel like there should be one to do it. I do agree with the points, and I guess it is pro's and con's on everything. I will see what features I can easily do with forums, which I can not. I am not the well up on things like the torrents, but I am sure I can find out information easily. As for the forums > wiki, I hate the K12 Wiki, phpwiki just looks so blah...I think that is my problem with most things...I hate massive lists, I am very hierarchy and tree oriented. Plus, I like step by step instructions and details, things a Wiki can be great for, but Wiki articles should be clean, clear, and refined. I feel a forum can do that part, were a mailing list goes on and on. Again, thanks, and I will see how I feel and how others way in at. Hopefully if I do get a forum up I can put aside enough time to contribute good topics and set it up with some useful initial information. Hopefully I can help make the community stronger, as I am just starting out with K12LTSP I will likely be making many mistakes and discoveries on my own, so I hope I leech knowledge and give something back. Be it forums, or if I decide not to that, perhaps we can get the Wiki together better. On 11/13/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Yes, I wish the k12ltsp wiki had a *prominent* link right on the first > page of > k12ltsp.org. OTOH, Ubuntu has Canonical driving it; k12ltsp just has...us. > ;-) > > Petre > > David Trask wrote: > > I agree...a wiki is a better idea, but it must be added to. The problem > > with a forum is that someone with the answer actually has to go there > and > > post an answer to a question. The mailing list....while a bit > unorganized > > will get much quicker results. A more active wiki....like the Ubuntu > > wiki will give us a place to put more permanent help. Just my $.02 > > > > Darryl_Palmer_Jr at acm.org writes: > >> On 11/13/06, Shane Sammons <[ mailto:shane.sammons at gmail.com > >> ]shane.sammons at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> I had a little side questions about a forum in a previous question. > >> However, I wanted to be a member here for at least a week to see the > flow > >> and organization of stuff here. > >> > >> Now I have decided it is time to ask your thoughts and opinions on > >> forums. Not to replace the mailing list, but to offer a more > interactive, > >> community driven, better organized, and active resource to add to the > >> items K12LTSP and such might have. I think a lot of good can come from > >> it, but only if many people agree and willing to use it. > >> > >> > >> My vote is NO. > >> > >> Let me quickly go through your list of Pros: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> *We can organize, categorize, and sub-forums things > >> Think of things broken down like Client Setup -> Brand -> Model with > >> topic for each system, how much cleaner could it be? > >> > >> > >> We should capture information and put it on a Wiki. A set of > >> messages/problems do not necessarily fit one category, or is not posed > in > >> such a way to fit an existing category, but can be post-edited to > follow > >> some hierarchy. If someone is having severe issues and can't > categorize > >> it as being their client, their server, or their switch, then most > issues > >> will originally end up in a catch all group anyway, or worse the wrong > >> group. > >> > >> > >> > >> *Its able to be searched, no need to use Google, though we all love it, > >> you need not take an extra step > >> > >> K12OSN can be searched also from the mailing list webpage I > thought? If > >> not, then is using Google really that hard? Some people may not > realize > >> there is a mailing list and by using Google they can find it, it will > be > >> much harder if Google can't spider our forum boards as easily. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> *We can rank members, give awards (special ranks), and if modded even > >> more potentially > >> > >> I don't see a need for this. Most people on the list are naturally > >> helpful and don't have to be tossed trinkets such as a rank or award to > >> help others out. > >> > >> > >> > >> *We can moderators to help manage posts and topics, editing, and more > is > >> available. > >> > >> I for one am bogged down as it is with all the Linux and educational > FOSS > >> mailing lists I am on and I don't know if there are too many people > that > >> will raise their hands to do more work. I also believe in the free and > >> open flow of information, without moderators. > >> > >> > >> > >> *It is database driven, which we can export and move elsewhere is the > >> time comes > >> > >> > >> *It is convertible, most major forums convert between each other > without > >> topics loss > >> > >> These really don't count. You assume we want a forum to begin with so > >> not losing the information and converting the forum data to another > forum > >> system is a good thing. > >> > >> > >> > >> *Member groups allows easy identification of developers, contributors, > >> company reps, etc. and can be optional > >> > >> Just have people add it to their signatures, but please no more then 6 > >> lines or 200 characters. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> *You can still "subscribe" to topics and forums to still get email > >> updates of events. > >> > >> This could be useful. > >> > >> > >> > >> *We can make guides and topic solutions that can be submitted to the > Wiki > >> > >> Nothing stopping us from doing it now. > >> > >> > >> > >> *Because of categories the community can have "other" topics to help > >> branch out beyond the scope mailing list > >> > >> There are already other mailing lists and associations out there. To > >> think that we can take something that is very technical and branch out > >> and get more members might be harder then you think. Hosting for other > >> groups or creating an umbrella association may be better, but then we > >> already have SchoolForge. > >> > >> Darryl > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Director > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 13 22:09:16 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:09:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] User already logged in prompt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4558ED0C.7090007@maltzen.net> Having multiple users log in with the same ID is generally a bad idea, because of the problems you're running into. For kindergartners, it would be better to setup the clients to automatically login. To do so, you have to do a small bit of configuration for each client machine, but I don't think it's too hard. Credit where credit is due: Morris Brandon Elementary in Atlanta does this. William Fragakis, who set it up, sent the following to me on configuring it: here's the links to the auto-logins BIG WARNING - something breaks in ver. 5 so that default desktop gets you an Xterm session which you then have to exit and ask to get GNOME/KDE back. It would help if I took the 5 minutes to look at the kdmrc from a clean Ver. 5 install but haven't got around to it. Did get a box from Ver 5 to Ver 6b over the weekend - it takes a little while (it is 1.3 ghz Via C3, not very speedy). downloads: http://morrisbrandon.com/index.php?name=BeeBoard&tid=2 It's under "Server Files" he'll need the "desktop" file and either the kdmrc_closed_server or kdmrc_desktop_server depending whether the server also serves as a desktop. closed_desktop is for a server that isn't a desktop. Of course, rename them kdmrc At the bottom of the file is the mod - change our usernames bee1, etc. for whatever you chose. Also note that below that for the desktop server, we have it auto login as bee1 [X-:0-Core] # Enable automatic login on this display. USE WITH EXTREME CARE! # Default is false AutoLoginEnable=true # The user to log in automatically. NEVER specify root! # let's use bee1 as the regular user of the server AutoLoginUser=bee1 Just comment out those two lines if that isn't the behaviour you want. Also, mind that we use fixed IPs so we know which workstations are going to come us ws001, etc. Hope this helps direct links: http://morrisbrandon.com/classrooms/admin/BeeBoard/Server%20Files/desktop http://morrisbrandon.com/classrooms/admin/BeeBoard/Server%20Files/kdmrc_closed_server http://morrisbrandon.com/classrooms/admin/BeeBoard/Server%20Files/kdmrc_desktop_server Petre STAMPS, RANE wrote: > Hi, > > > > I am running Fedora Core 5 with LTSP 4.2 and I have set up > an environment for kinder guarders to play educational games. Well to > be convenient for the teacher and my self, I set up one user for all 7 > classrooms. So the thin pxe?s to the server and they login using the > same account and it puts up a prompt that says ?User is already Logged > in.? then with buttons that say ?Login anyways? and ?Cancel?. Is > anyone aware of a way to hide this prompt or disable it. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Rane Stamps > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mel at melwade.com Mon Nov 13 22:13:30 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:13:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Lockdown and Default Settings Message-ID: <43080f460611131413k447aa13bj62c4f0845c73502f@mail.gmail.com> I'm getting ready to roll out our new K12LSTP system, but still need to lock things down so that settings like wallpaper, etc. can't be changed by the user. Can someone point me in the right direction for these changes? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon Nov 13 22:33:28 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:33:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611131355x4a65129dje67fda7fffc17950@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611131355x4a65129dje67fda7fffc17950@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163457209.29095.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 16:55 -0500, Shane Sammons wrote: > As for the forums > wiki, I hate the K12 Wiki, phpwiki just looks so > blah... I don't think you understand the concept of a wiki. If you don't like something, change it. > Again, thanks, and I will see how I feel and how others way in at. > Hopefully if I do get a forum up I can put aside enough time to > contribute good topics and set it up with some useful initial > information. Try joining a few dozen mailing lists and forums before you decide which you like better. Forums become very cumbersome when you have more than a couple of interests. What I've been doing with mailing lists (just not this one yet) is move them to a gmail account which I've set up to permit POP access but to save an archive copy. That way I read/reply in my normal mailer and can delete as I go, but if I ever want to backtrack or search for old messages I can use the gmail web access to do it across all my lists at once. The price is right (free), they screen spam, and you get 2 gigs of archive space. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhbarr at gozelle.com Mon Nov 13 22:41:32 2006 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:41:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <1163457209.29095.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611131355x4a65129dje67fda7fffc17950@mail.gmail.com> <1163457209.29095.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 11/13/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 16:55 -0500, Shane Sammons wrote: > > Again, thanks, and I will see how I feel and how others way in at. > > Hopefully if I do get a forum up I can put aside enough time to > > contribute good topics and set it up with some useful initial > > information. > Try joining a few dozen mailing lists and forums before you decide > which you like better. Forums become very cumbersome when you have > more than a couple of interests. Ding! I can't imagine trying to keep up with 5 forums. But staying current with 5 mailing lists is no problem, because it's all in my inbox (and sorted by rules) when I have time to sit down and scan through. Also, the messages downloadd without my direct interaction, whereas the forum concept requires continual page loads and reloads. No offline mode for forums, either. And users who are more hops away from the server will see these effects magnified. All in all, the mailing list is the best we have (that I know of) at this time. -dhbarr. From les at futuresource.com Mon Nov 13 22:42:57 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:42:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1163457778.29095.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 15:15 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > Yes, I wish the k12ltsp wiki had a *prominent* link right on the first page of > k12ltsp.org. OTOH, Ubuntu has Canonical driving it; k12ltsp just has...us. ;-) I think it would be even better if www.k12ltsp.org went directly to the wiki page. I always use http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ to refer someone to the project. (Seems to be broken right now, though...). Personally, I like twiki better, but they do most of the same things. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Mon Nov 13 22:48:04 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:48:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mondoarchive in K12LTSP 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <4558CA9D.6060709@deltacfax.com> References: <4554E231.1010103@deltacfax.com> <4558CA9D.6060709@deltacfax.com> Message-ID: <1163458085.29095.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 13:42 -0600, Tim Born wrote: > > Has anyone gotten Mondo to work on K12LTSP 4.4.1? > > > I'm the *only* one backing up my system with Mondo ?? > > OK, I'll bite. What else makes bare-metal recovery CDs on K12LTSP? You can recover from a tar image and a bootable CD like your install CD or Knoppix with just a little extra work - probably less than making the bootable recovery CD. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Mon Nov 13 23:04:57 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:04:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0611131108q596afb5bibd337d3471c515ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611080952n1d3b98a7r1a41942259f635f1@mail.gmail.com> <45524E07.90304@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <3610bbec0611081349r10f56423g55179bda30fd13b9@mail.gmail.com> <200611090841.35844.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <45551018.6020503@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <3610bbec0611101911s207aad27wd54eb551343b6351@mail.gmail.com> <3610bbec0611131108q596afb5bibd337d3471c515ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163459098.29095.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 14:08 -0500, Shane Sammons wrote: > Ok I have successfully trouble shot the switch. Thanks to a handy fine > with Google, and not being able to find what they are talking about I > got 2 older switch an Intel 510T (I know...bad reports on this..works > though) and a 3com 10T Super Stack II 1100 Switch. > > It would seem the Dell PowerConnect 3324 and 3348 suffer from a LONG > delay in negotiations or something. I tried disabling auto negotiation > and a setting its MDIX mode to no avail. I have given up on this > switch. If anyone would like to read more of what I found it was here: > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Q_21738490.html It isn't the speed/duplex negotiations that take time, it is spanning-tree where it tries to determine if there are additional switches creating loops in the connections. I think Dell actually follows the spec for timing. Did you get to a point where you can use the switch web interface for administration? If so, expand, the 'switch' navigation links on the left, then 'spanning tree', then select global settings and change the STP operation mode from 'Classic' to 'Rapid STP'. If that still doesn't work and you are sure you won't connect other switches (i.e. this is just the client side of a 2-nic setup) you can disable it completely. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 23:10:01 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:10:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Lockdown and Default Settings In-Reply-To: <43080f460611131413k447aa13bj62c4f0845c73502f@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611131413k447aa13bj62c4f0845c73502f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50611131510w32f90078kd0d59fcd5dd50a14@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mel, Sabayon and pesselus (may already be installed on systems using gnome) used together seem to do it for Gnome Desktops. I can't really figure out if these projects are under active development however. http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/ http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1082 John On 11/13/06, Mel Wade wrote: > > I'm getting ready to roll out our new K12LSTP system, but still need to > lock things down so that settings like wallpaper, etc. can't be changed by > the user. > > Can someone point me in the right direction for these changes? > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sound seems like a VERY difficult nut to crack. I see lots of requests that never seem to have resolutions on this list. Is there anyone here who feels like they REALLY understand whats going on with remote sound? This isn't a challenge, just a question, because I feel very much in the dark (and of course if you say 'YES' I am going to start asking you questions! :-) Should I take this to the LTSP list or the LTSP IRC channel? Thanks, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 13 23:47:29 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:47:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 BETA4, soon to be followed up with BETA5.... Message-ID: <45590411.9010507@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I just finished uploading BETA #4 and spotted two problems: 1) I didn't fix the perl-Net_SSLeay upgrade bug 2) Fedora just released new OpenOffice.org packages (which are huge!) So unless you have a really fast network connection, you probably want to skip this download. Tomorrow I'll upload BETA5 which will include these two fixes. If fixed a number of minor bugs in BETA4, such as removing the "Suspend" option from every user's desktop. The only real noticeable change is that the "Education" category has been split in two. Now there is "Eduction (K-5)" which includes tuxtype, tuxpaint, gcompris, etc for the younger kids, and there is "Education (6-12)" which includes gperiodic, qcad, etc for the older kids. Oh, I also changed the default desktop background. BETA4 ISO images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ . BETA4 SO images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ . BETA4 DVD images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . BETA4 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ . From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 14 00:22:51 2006 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:22:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611131540m27ce105agc72abb5901f17b5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611131540m27ce105agc72abb5901f17b5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45590C5B.8000806@earthlink.net> Here is a document that might help explain some of the concepts -- sometimes rjune is on the LTSP IRC channel: http://www.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/ltsp/audio/HOWTO-arts.html Our guru, who is also on this list, Calvin Dodge, has sound working very well on our servers, I only occasionally have to specify a sound card setting in the lts.conf file for older machines, but recently we have been using quite a few Dell GX150s everything just works now. Maybe Calvin will join in here with some explanation? Rita Gibson RMSELTech john wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been hacking at my sound issue for the better part of 3 days > now and I hope someone can point me in the right direction. > > -problem 1: sound only for root and only on the server itself > -problem 2: thin clients don't see ANY sound card (in Gnome) under > Preferences>Sound unless I do chmod -R 777 /dev/dsp and chmod -R 777 > /dev/snd and then they ONLY see the servers Sound card after reboot. > Sound has NEVER worked for ANY of the several clients I have tried to > use. > > Sound seems like a VERY difficult nut to crack. I see lots of requests > that never seem to have resolutions on this list. Is there anyone here > who feels like they REALLY understand whats going on with remote > sound? This isn't a challenge, just a question, because I feel very > much in the dark (and of course if you say 'YES' I am going to start > asking you questions! :-) > > Should I take this to the LTSP list or the LTSP IRC channel? > > Thanks, > > John > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 02:24:39 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:54:39 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <1163457778.29095.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> <1163457778.29095.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <774593a20611131824s45d2cd6va0b48f7c99e4005c@mail.gmail.com> On 14/11/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 15:15 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Yes, I wish the k12ltsp wiki had a *prominent* link right on the first page of > > k12ltsp.org. OTOH, Ubuntu has Canonical driving it; k12ltsp just has...us. ;-) > > I think it would be even better if www.k12ltsp.org went directly to the [SNIP] My $0.02 worth - No Broadcasts, like mailing list, is much better in increasing knowledge as it also brings to me issues that may not be on fire today but could be a situation in future or a trend that I am not even aware of. For example I just am replaying mails on this list on backup's and trying to see if backuppc offers better user control without involving IT support like we have to using rsync...and so on. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 03:11:05 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:11:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? In-Reply-To: <45590C5B.8000806@earthlink.net> References: <2be970b50611131540m27ce105agc72abb5901f17b5b@mail.gmail.com> <45590C5B.8000806@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2be970b50611131911m4fa185cn7069caefa5cba5f4@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Rita. I'll look this over! John On 11/13/06, Rita Gibson wrote: > > Here is a document that might help explain some of the concepts -- > sometimes rjune is on the LTSP IRC channel: > > http://www.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/ltsp/audio/HOWTO-arts.html > > Our guru, who is also on this list, Calvin Dodge, has sound working very > well on our servers, I only occasionally have to specify a sound card > setting in the lts.conf file for older machines, but recently we have > been using quite a few Dell GX150s everything just works now. Maybe > Calvin will join in here with some explanation? > > Rita Gibson > RMSELTech > > john wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I have been hacking at my sound issue for the better part of 3 days > > now and I hope someone can point me in the right direction. > > > > -problem 1: sound only for root and only on the server itself > > -problem 2: thin clients don't see ANY sound card (in Gnome) under > > Preferences>Sound unless I do chmod -R 777 /dev/dsp and chmod -R 777 > > /dev/snd and then they ONLY see the servers Sound card after reboot. > > Sound has NEVER worked for ANY of the several clients I have tried to > > use. > > > > Sound seems like a VERY difficult nut to crack. I see lots of requests > > that never seem to have resolutions on this list. Is there anyone here > > who feels like they REALLY understand whats going on with remote > > sound? This isn't a challenge, just a question, because I feel very > > much in the dark (and of course if you say 'YES' I am going to start > > asking you questions! :-) > > > > Should I take this to the LTSP list or the LTSP IRC channel? > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Nov 14 03:21:44 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:21:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? Message-ID: <58675.127.0.0.1.1163474505.squirrel@server1> Hi John, You did not mention what version of K12ltsp/ltsp you are running? Are you using esd as the default sound daemon? DO you have ALL pci cards in your client machines? Ive found a good starting spot to troubleshoot this,,is to install XMMS. This is easy and consistent to test sound on. Once you have your sound working on ALL clients through XMMS,, then graduate to Flash/ Rhythmbox,Totem, Xine, Mplayer etc. But the BIG thing is use XMMS and as the sound output for xmms /preferences to test sound on each client. If you dont do this, you'll end up doing many days of head scratching as it sounds you have been doing. Do you check to make sure all client machines are set in System>Preferences>More Preferences> Multimedia systems selector set to esd,and do you get the Syn "humm' when doing atest or what error do you get? You are right in that on v5 of k12ltsp( if this is the version of k12ltsp you are using) you have to chmod 755 the /dev/dsp and the /dev/mixer to get sound working for "everyone".If you like email me off list and i will help in more detail. Lots of little things that will work easier such as using totem-xine,rather than the default totem,,which uses gstreamer sound .For flash sound you still may need to do the " mkdir /tmp/.esd , then touch /tmp/.esd/socket" once in a while to keep it working,etc. Ive been doing this gig since early versions of k12ltsp,,and still dont know much,,though:)..but sound works on everything cept RealPlayer10:(..which does not have esd support.. Barry Cisna westcentral school cisna-barry wc235.k12.il.us From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 14 03:56:45 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:56:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <774593a20611131824s45d2cd6va0b48f7c99e4005c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> <1163457778.29095.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <774593a20611131824s45d2cd6va0b48f7c99e4005c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163476604.6235.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 20:24, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 14/11/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 15:15 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Yes, I wish the k12ltsp wiki had a *prominent* link right on the first page of > > > k12ltsp.org. OTOH, Ubuntu has Canonical driving it; k12ltsp just has...us. ;-) > > > > I think it would be even better if www.k12ltsp.org went directly to the > > [SNIP] > > My $0.02 worth - No > Broadcasts, like mailing list, is much better in increasing knowledge > as it also brings to me issues that may not be on fire today but could > be a situation in future or a trend that I am not even aware of. The combination is even better when things that come up and are answered on the list are summarized on the wiki for easier reference. > For example I just am replaying mails on this list on backup's and > trying to see if backuppc offers better user control without involving > IT support like we have to using rsync...and so on. It does, but you can only map machines to 'owners' who are allowed to access the backups of their own machines through the web interface. It doesn't go user level on multiuser machines, although I suppose you could use the alias feature to make each home directory look like a different machine if you wanted to go to the trouble. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 14 05:24:18 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:24:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <1163457209.29095.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611131355x4a65129dje67fda7fffc17950@mail.gmail.com> <1163457209.29095.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <45595302.2020707@mesd.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: >> Again, thanks, and I will see how I feel and how others way in at. >> Hopefully if I do get a forum up I can put aside enough time to >> contribute good topics and set it up with some useful initial >> information. > > Try joining a few dozen mailing lists and forums before you decide > which you like better. Forums become very cumbersome when you have > more than a couple of interests. FWIW Les, I agree about forums not scaling and personally hate the idea of anything that would balkanize F/OSS in education efforts. Speaking just for myself, forums are out for that reason only. Having said that, the typical geek interaction with mailing lists (e.g. filtering on the List-Id header or similar) is _not_ very welcoming or obvious to the newcomer. I suppose I could blame the poor mailing list support in popular MUAs, but I can't help but wonder how many folks run away screaming the first time their INBOXes fill up from joining a high-traffic list (imagine (fedora|ubuntu)-users lists for example). Maybe I'd like to see perhaps pointers to the GMANE interface, as that's effectively a BB-type interface to most popular lists. Frankly, I like that the conversations on K12OSN don't usually get too "meta" and mostly focus on rocking with regard to free software in schools. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From genfil at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 12:00:41 2006 From: genfil at gmail.com (Jean Phil) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:00:41 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] esssolo1 linux driver Message-ID: My thin client's soundcard is not working properly. On boot up it has a fatal error. Module esssolo1 not found. Does any know where I can download and how to install it. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william at fragakis.com Tue Nov 14 13:15:17 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:15:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] User already logged in prompt In-Reply-To: <20061114031115.36325732C2@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061114031115.36325732C2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1163510117.15761.7.camel@server.ltsp> Petre is very kind but I've not in decades had an original thought. I nicked this off the ltsp wiki or something similar, iirc. regards, William On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 22:11 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:09:16 -0600 > From: Petre Scheie > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] User already logged in prompt > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <4558ED0C.7090007 at maltzen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Having multiple users log in with the same ID is generally a bad idea, > because of the > problems you're running into. For kindergartners, it would be better > to setup the > clients to automatically login. To do so, you have to do a small bit > of configuration > for each client machine, but I don't think it's too hard. > > Credit where credit is due: Morris Brandon Elementary in Atlanta does > this. William > Fragakis, who set it up, sent the following to me on configuring it: From william at fragakis.com Tue Nov 14 13:33:59 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:33:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? In-Reply-To: <20061114031115.36325732C2@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061114031115.36325732C2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1163511239.15761.21.camel@server.ltsp> I don't understand it but I can point provide you with a bit of insight gleaned from my bumps and bruises. the ltsp wiki audio section can be very helpful btw. On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 22:11 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all, > > I have been hacking at my sound issue for the better part of 3 days > now and > I hope someone can point me in the right direction. > > -problem 1: sound only for root and only on the server itself > -problem 2: thin clients don't see ANY sound card (in Gnome) under > Preferences>Sound unless I do chmod -R 777 /dev/dsp and chmod -R 777 > /dev/snd and then they ONLY see the servers Sound card after reboot. > Sound because (drum roll....), remember, unless you are doing local apps, everything is running on the server, so when running sound card detection, you are running it on the server. > has NEVER worked for ANY of the several clients I have tried to use. > > Sound seems like a VERY difficult nut to crack. Not really. We have 8 yr old Compaq desktops and brand new thin clients with sound. If you are using GNOME, make sure you are using esd in lts.conf and commented out nasd. When the client boots, right before the display is enabled, see if it recognizes and initiates (right word?) the sound card. If it only says something like sound card not detected, choose correct sound module or something similar (my coffee and memory haven't kicked in this morning) you need to list the sound card in the lts.conf file. Most Sound Blaster cards are auto recognized though. If yours isn't, google around as lots of folks have posted various permutations especially with laptops which seem particularly finicky as clients. Many older PCs with built-in sound actually use the ISA configuration that's commented out in lts.conf even though the motherboard has only PCI slots. We were wonderfully surprised when a bunch of old Compaqs barked to life with their little built-in speakers recently. If all else fails, cheap $5 SB-compatible PCI cards from newegg.com work fine. Once you have the sound card recognized, then go on each client and (again, drum roll) enable sound in the preferences. It's easy to miss this step. Also, look at the ltsp wiki and understand how to turn sound on with Flash. It's well explained there. You don't really need to understand the idea of sound servers, etc to get sound working. Understanding it does give you an idea of the challenge the ltsp develops had when they began, though. Regards, William > I see lots of requests that > never seem to have resolutions on this list. Is there anyone here who > feels > like they REALLY understand whats going on with remote sound? This > isn't a > challenge, just a question, because I feel very much in the dark (and > of > course if you say 'YES' I am going to start asking you questions! :-) > > Should I take this to the LTSP list or the LTSP IRC channel? > > Thanks, > > John From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Nov 14 13:45:16 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:45:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <45595302.2020707@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611131355x4a65129dje67fda7fffc17950@mail.gmail.com> <1163457209.29095.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <45595302.2020707@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9BA405C5-FB3F-40C1-AFA8-E7FC9C86A499@mindfirestudios.com> I have to say that I agree. The COMBINATION of a wiki and mailing list seems to be better than using a forum. But a forum would be better than either a mailing list or wiki alone. The major weakness of the mailing list is that it not easy to search, as it tends to be chronological, and have a lot of noise compared to a forum. But the wiki is even better at solving this than a forum/BB would be. The major weakness of the wiki is that it doesn't do the realtime Q&A like a forum or mailing list. IMHO the mailing list is better for fast Q&A than a forum, since all the conversations are pushed out rather than pulled. That's why a combination of the wiki/ mailinglist obviates the need to do a web forum for me. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 14 14:03:14 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:03:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? In-Reply-To: <58675.127.0.0.1.1163474505.squirrel@server1> References: <58675.127.0.0.1.1163474505.squirrel@server1> Message-ID: <4559CCA2.3040106@maltzen.net> Actually, if possible, keep the discussion on the list. Questions about sound come up frequently, and the more discussion there is on the list, the easier it will be for people to find answers when searching the archives. Petre Barry R Cisna wrote: If you > like email me off list and i will help in more detail. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 14 14:07:39 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:07:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] esssolo1 linux driver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4559CDAB.8070702@maltzen.net> Can you boot a knoppix disk on your thin client? If so, does sound work with that? If so, run lspci to see what sound driver knoppix is using, then report back to the list. Petre Jean Phil wrote: > My thin client's soundcard is not working properly. On boot up it has a > fatal error. Module esssolo1 not found. Does any know where I can > download and how to install it. Thanks! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From k12osn at deltacfax.com Tue Nov 14 14:36:12 2006 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:36:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mondoarchive in K12LTSP 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <4558CD2F.7010805@maltzen.net> References: <4554E231.1010103@deltacfax.com> <4558CA9D.6060709@deltacfax.com> <4558CD2F.7010805@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4559D45C.4000806@deltacfax.com> mkcdrec does not appear to be part of K12LTSP 4.4.1 >[root at zorro ~]# yum search mkcdrec >Searching Packages: >Setting up repositories >Reading repository metadata in from local files >No Matches found >[root at zorro ~]# apropos mkcdrec >mkcdrec: nothing appropriate >[root at zorro ~]# > Petre Scheie wrote: > mkcdrec > > Tim Born wrote: > >> Tim Born wrote: >> >>> Has anyone gotten Mondo to work on K12LTSP 4.4.1? >>> >> I'm the *only* one backing up my system with Mondo ?? >> >> OK, I'll bite. What else makes bare-metal recovery CDs on K12LTSP? >> >> -tim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From k12osn at deltacfax.com Tue Nov 14 14:49:04 2006 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:49:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mondoarchive in K12LTSP 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <4558D3DA.1060001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4554E231.1010103@deltacfax.com> <4558D3DA.1060001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4559D760.2090507@deltacfax.com> Eric Harrison wrote: >Tim Born wrote: > > >>... >> >>Has anyone gotten Mondo to work on K12LTSP 4.4.1? >> >> > >This may be the same issue that can cause install disk verifies to fail >(falsely). > >Try appending "ide=nodma" to the boot options when booting the restore cd. > >-Eric > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Tried that option last night with no success. Didn't seem to make any difference. Found an error /var/log/mindi.log that must have been created during the backup: > Warning - /lib/liblvm does not exist; cannot be LDD'd. > This warning only affects you if you are using LVM. That concerns me since we ARE using LVM. Installed latest FC4 RPMs for mondo & mindi to see if they work any better. Backing up still in progress. I will let you know. At this point mondo I see that mondo-2.2.0-2 seems to know about IDE CDROMs, which is new. -tim From william at fragakis.com Tue Nov 14 14:51:29 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new account and Flash In-Reply-To: <20061114031115.36325732C2@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061114031115.36325732C2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1163515889.16782.9.camel@server.ltsp> Hello all, I have a quirk that I can't figure out. Ideas welcome. We set up a new account on a ver 5 server (updated from ver. 4). While every other account on the server can use Flash in Firefox, the new one can't. I even put the plug ins in a local folder /home/thisuser/.mozilla...etc and that didn't work. Looking at the pluginreg.dat file, nothing at a cursory look seems amiss. Any ideas? Again, all the existing accounts use Flash fine but new accounts (I've tried this a couple of times) can't. Even if I copy an entire .mozilla file from another user and change the permissions to this user, it won't work. Sign me, Perplexed in the South (William) btw, FreeNX and Teacher_Tool rock as remote management tools. But you knew that already... From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 14:58:42 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:58:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Nancy E. Willard Audio Interview on Internet Safety In-Reply-To: <4210487.1163516270877.JavaMail.root@bla21.blogger.com> References: <4210487.1163516270877.JavaMail.root@bla21.blogger.com> Message-ID: http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/NancyWillard.mp3 http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/NancyWillard.ogg Over the last several months, I've watched Nancy'sconsistent, warning voice on the educational technology email lists. I'm sure this is not an easy role--at a time when the read-write web is challenging educators to find creative ways to take advantage in schools of technologies that have become so engaging to our youth outside of school , Nancy keeps talking about hard topics of safe internet use, filtering, online predators, disinhibition , and cyberbullying . Arranging an interview time with Nancy was difficult--she is the parent of three children, and working on finishing two books--but we finally caught up last week. I was particularly interested in her concerns about how online sexual predation is taught, which she says is often based on the myth that the youth who go to meet an online predator are unaware of what is actually going to take place. Nancy is also appropriately harsh on the inappropriate marketing of sexuality to young women, and she agreed with my concerns (we both have thirteen-year-old daughters) about how the movies and media have really promoted aggressive sexuality by young women in the last decade. And she discusses cyber-bullying, which I hadn't really had any direct experience with, but which she describes as very real and very serious. My wife generally has not had a great deal of interest in my interview series (c'mon, isn't everyone excited about educational technology?), but she listened to this interview from start to finish. Our thanks to Nancy for caring. 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I think the real flaw of a forum is that while it is easier for someone starting out and barely interested in computer-related topics to post their questions there, the answers are more likely to come from people who found them because they are watching an assortment of related mail lists and don't have time to bounce around through forums. > The major weakness of the mailing list is that it not easy to search, > as it tends to be chronological, and have a lot of noise compared to > a forum. I've never seen a forum that was any better at being searched. The sound/noise ratio also doesn't seem better to me. If there is less noise it is because there is less general interest. > The major weakness of the wiki is that it doesn't do the > realtime Q&A like a forum or mailing list. That's a weakness in the wiki users, not the platform which lets you make it whatever you want it to be. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From meelis at nlib.ee Tue Nov 14 16:28:26 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:28:26 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com><4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net><3610bbec0611131355x4a65129dje67fda7fffc17950@mail.gmail.com><1163457209.29095.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com><45595302.2020707@mesd.k12.or.us><9BA405C5-FB3F-40C1-AFA8-E7FC9C86A499@mindfirestudios.com> <1163520401.6002.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <009201c70809$e92f7d80$c60e10ac@melka> One more positive side about forums is that I can subscribe to a topic that I want to follow. In mailing list there is no option for that if we won't count delete button ;) If you get about 50 e-mails in 24 hours (60% of them at the time I'm sleeping) then it's a lot of work to filter out the things I want to read and things I do not. :) Meelis From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 14 16:37:58 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:37:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <45595302.2020707@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611131355x4a65129dje67fda7fffc17950@mail.gmail.com> <1163457209.29095.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <45595302.2020707@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1163522279.6002.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 21:24 -0800, Dan Young wrote: > Having said that, the typical geek interaction with mailing lists (e.g. > filtering on the List-Id header or similar) is _not_ very welcoming or > obvious to the newcomer. I suppose I could blame the poor mailing list > support in popular MUAs, but I can't help but wonder how many folks run > away screaming the first time their INBOXes fill up from joining a > high-traffic list (imagine (fedora|ubuntu)-users lists for example). > > Maybe I'd like to see perhaps pointers to the GMANE interface, as that's > effectively a BB-type interface to most popular lists. Frankly, I like > that the conversations on K12OSN don't usually get too "meta" and mostly > focus on rocking with regard to free software in schools. My suggestion is: get a free gmail account and subscribe with it. If you like their web interface you are all set. If you don't, configure it to permit POP access and archive the messages as downloaded via pop. Then you can add it as an account in your favorite mailer (evolution or outlook express work great) and delete anything you don't want to answer immediately. If you need to recall it or search, pop into the gmail web interface and use their search which is probably better than your MUA anyway. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 14 16:51:54 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:51:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <009201c70809$e92f7d80$c60e10ac@melka> References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611131355x4a65129dje67fda7fffc17950@mail.gmail.com> <1163457209.29095.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <45595302.2020707@mesd.k12.or.us> <9BA405C5-FB3F-40C1-AFA8-E7FC9C86A499@mindfirestudios.com> <1163520401.6002.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <009201c70809$e92f7d80$c60e10ac@melka> Message-ID: <1163523115.6002.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 18:28 +0200, Meelis Mihhailov wrote: > One more positive side about forums is that I can subscribe to a topic that > I want to follow. In mailing list there is no option for that if we won't > count delete button ;) So what happens when someone starts a new topic with a question that you can answer - but you aren't watching it? > If you get about 50 e-mails in 24 hours (60% of them at the time I'm > sleeping) then it's a lot of work to filter out the things I want to read > and things I do not. :) Your mailer will thread the topics and can sort them into folders automatically if you want. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From meelis at nlib.ee Tue Nov 14 17:07:09 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:07:09 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com><4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net><3610bbec0611131355x4a65129dje67fda7fffc17950@mail.gmail.com><1163457209.29095.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com><45595302.2020707@mesd.k12.or.us><9BA405C5-FB3F-40C1-AFA8-E7FC9C86A499@mindfirestudios.com><1163520401.6002.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com><009201c70809$e92f7d80$c60e10ac@melka> <1163523115.6002.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <00b901c7080f$52124850$c60e10ac@melka> > So what happens when someone starts a new topic with a question > that you can answer - but you aren't watching it? > One can then subscibe to a certain forum to monitor threads he/she can answer :) I can visit a forum aswell and see new answers to a topic or even a new thread. For me it's not a big problem to use about 10 minutes of my worktime for this. :) > > Your mailer will thread the topics and can sort them into folders > automatically if you want. > Yes this is an option but it does not work for me. I'm an "inbox is my only place" type person but for others it's a good solution :) Meelis From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 17:22:38 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:22:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <00b901c7080f$52124850$c60e10ac@melka> References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611131355x4a65129dje67fda7fffc17950@mail.gmail.com> <1163457209.29095.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <45595302.2020707@mesd.k12.or.us> <9BA405C5-FB3F-40C1-AFA8-E7FC9C86A499@mindfirestudios.com> <1163520401.6002.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <009201c70809$e92f7d80$c60e10ac@melka> <1163523115.6002.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <00b901c7080f$52124850$c60e10ac@melka> Message-ID: <69b790a80611140922s12cab251i72f11f99e94e0f64@mail.gmail.com> On 11/14/06, Meelis Mihhailov wrote: > Yes this is an option but it does not work for me. I'm an "inbox is my only > place" type person but for others it's a good solution :) I have way too many mailing lists I'm subscribed to. There's no way I could do it with just the inbox. From william at fragakis.com Tue Nov 14 17:34:43 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:34:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <20061114170023.DD13D73A53@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061114170023.DD13D73A53@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1163525683.21209.17.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 12:00 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Consider digest mode. Quickly scan the topics you want to read and chuck the rest. There are usually 10-15 posts per digest that I receive unless it's a slow day. I vote elist and wiki. Forums are great for hobbyists but a lot of us have schools to admin and need the collective brainpower when disaster strikes. I host a couple of forums, I'm a forum kind of guy, which are great but for this task, I must say, the list works better. A wiki would better organize our collective experience than having it spread about 10 different threads and the poor newbie hamstrung because they didn't enter a good search string. For example, if they search audio, to get audio going, every thread that someone posted a portion of their lts.conf would show up, too, even if those topics were about screen resolutions. regards, William > One more positive side about forums is that I can subscribe to a topic > that > I want to follow. In mailing list there is no option for that if we > won't > count delete button ;) > > If you get about 50 e-mails in 24 hours (60% of them at the time I'm > sleeping) then it's a lot of work to filter out the things I want to > read > and things I do not. :) > > Meelis > > From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Tue Nov 14 18:41:33 2006 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:41:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Ticket tracker Message-ID: <455A0DDD.70806@physics.isu.edu> I would like to install a simple ticket tracking system. I've follow the periodic discussions about them here with interest, and decided I'd try request-tracker or irm, both of which have been recommended here and while they may be a bit of overkill, they look like they fit my needs well. The problem is, I don't really like to install and maintain them outside the packaging system, and the debian packages in the Ubuntu LTS universe repository have old dependencies. Irm wants to uninstall php5 apache module and use php4. Maybe this isn't such a big deal, but looking to the future since this is a new server. Request tracker wants apache1, exim, and a whole page of perl modules. Neither of these are ideal to me as this is a multi-use webserver and I'm trying to consolidate servers so I don't want to limit myself. Sound like I'm just making it to hard as usual. I'm thinking of VMware or I'm open to other alternatives, but the overriding feature I'm looking for is that it is easy to use, maintain and upgrade because I'd like to use it for the long term. Anyone have something that works for them in such a scenario? Thanks in advance, Ben Nickell From william at fragakis.com Tue Nov 14 18:37:40 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:37:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: new account and Flash In-Reply-To: <20061114170023.DD13D73A53@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061114170023.DD13D73A53@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1163529460.21209.27.camel@server.ltsp> Answered my own question: permissions were incorrect in /home/someuser/.mozilla/firefox needed to be 755 I was working from home via FreeNX -> Vnc -> Teacher_Tool. I think I scared the wits out of some poor kid when I was launching applications in this account. Regards, William > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:29 -0500 > From: William Fragakis > Subject: [K12OSN] new account and Flash > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1163515889.16782.9.camel at server.ltsp> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hello all, > I have a quirk that I can't figure out. Ideas welcome. We set up a new > account on a ver 5 server (updated from ver. 4). While every other > account on the server can use Flash in Firefox, the new one can't. I > even put the plug ins in a local folder /home/thisuser/.mozilla...etc > and that didn't work. Looking at the pluginreg.dat file, nothing at a > cursory look seems amiss. [snip > Sign me, > Perplexed in the South > (William) > > btw, FreeNX and Teacher_Tool rock as remote management tools. But you > knew that already... > From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 14 19:05:44 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:05:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <00b901c7080f$52124850$c60e10ac@melka> References: <3610bbec0611131133w73e46a5fkcbb5c908153fdf2d@mail.gmail.com> <4558E06A.3050603@maltzen.net> <3610bbec0611131355x4a65129dje67fda7fffc17950@mail.gmail.com> <1163457209.29095.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <45595302.2020707@mesd.k12.or.us> <9BA405C5-FB3F-40C1-AFA8-E7FC9C86A499@mindfirestudios.com> <1163520401.6002.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <009201c70809$e92f7d80$c60e10ac@melka> <1163523115.6002.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <00b901c7080f$52124850$c60e10ac@melka> Message-ID: <1163531145.6002.72.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 19:07 +0200, Meelis Mihhailov wrote: > > So what happens when someone starts a new topic with a question > > that you can answer - but you aren't watching it? > > > > One can then subscibe to a certain forum to monitor threads he/she can > answer :) > I can visit a forum aswell and see new answers to a topic or even a new > thread. For me it's not a big problem to use about 10 minutes of my worktime > for this. :) I can hit delete on email subject lines that I don't want to see hundreds of times in way less than 10 minutes. I don't see a win here. > > Your mailer will thread the topics and can sort them into folders > > automatically if you want. > > > > Yes this is an option but it does not work for me. I'm an "inbox is my only > place" type person but for others it's a good solution :) I don't see how you mesh that with wanting to go somewhere else for certain things. But I still recommend a gmail account for the mail list. It will automatically thread the unread messages when you use their web interface - and google does know how to do searches... -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From shane.sammons at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 19:09:31 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:09:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <1163525683.21209.17.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20061114170023.DD13D73A53@hormel.redhat.com> <1163525683.21209.17.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <3610bbec0611141109m479aa1dct2455bede025518c@mail.gmail.com> Ok, so hearing all the opinions, I tried using the K12LTSP wiki (powered by phpwiki). I do not know if it is phpWiki or what, but I created my username (that took awhile as it doesn't have good instructions). Then I wanted to create a nice page on the Dell GX1's so I could start a nice Wiki page on that... Well lets just say I will be starting a new topic soon if I get the mediaWiki (the thing that powers Wikipedia) working on a test server. I absolutely think the phpwiki is horrible, and think things could be better somewhere. Since everyone seems used to mailing lists (which I hate...because I hate email and all the work involved in cleaning/organizing..gmail helps...still 20-30 emails a day ICK!) I would like to persue the Wiki side if possible. So, I guess I will see how branched out this community/mail list is. I found it via K12LTSP, so I am not sure if I should try and get a better wiki going for that or what. I will see once I am sure I can get a "better" wiki running. Thanks again for you inputs. On 11/14/06, William Fragakis wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 12:00 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > Consider digest mode. Quickly scan the topics you want to read and chuck > the rest. There are usually 10-15 posts per digest that I receive unless > it's a slow day. > > I vote elist and wiki. Forums are great for hobbyists but a lot of us > have schools to admin and need the collective brainpower when disaster > strikes. I host a couple of forums, I'm a forum kind of guy, which are > great but for this task, I must say, the list works better. > > A wiki would better organize our collective experience than having it > spread about 10 different threads and the poor newbie hamstrung because > they didn't enter a good search string. For example, if they search > audio, to get audio going, every thread that someone posted a portion of > their lts.conf would show up, too, even if those topics were about > screen resolutions. > > regards, > William > > > One more positive side about forums is that I can subscribe to a topic > > that > > I want to follow. In mailing list there is no option for that if we > > won't > > count delete button ;) > > > > If you get about 50 e-mails in 24 hours (60% of them at the time I'm > > sleeping) then it's a lot of work to filter out the things I want to > > read > > and things I do not. :) > > > > Meelis > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karisue at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 19:12:56 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:12:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Lost electricity / Lost SMBLDAP Message-ID: Hi, Yesterday, my building lost electricity. The server was not plugged in to the UPS, so the server and all the workstations lost power. When the electricity went back on, none of the computers would login to the server. I have a Ubuntu server and Edubuntu fat clients that authenticate with the Oquist / Trask SMBLDAP script. Any ideas on where I can start hunting this problem down? Thanks, Kari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 19:18:23 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (David Knight) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:18:23 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Lost electricity / Lost SMBLDAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This has happened to me a few times. The following email from David Trask helped me a lot. I found that I couldn't restore from ldif.gz files, but if I extracted them first it worked. Hope this helps. Krsnendu >>David Trask wrote<< If you can ssh in, then you can fix ldap. If you have a relatively recent version of smbldap-installer installed then you can find your backups here at /var/smbldap-backups Look for the most recent date To fix the corrupt ldap: service ldap stop (just to be sure) cd /var/lib/ldap rm -Rf * (clean that sucker out) slapadd -l /var/smbldap-backups/latest-file.ldif (wait for a few secs and hold your breath) Once it's done.... cd /var/lib/ldap chown -R ldap:ldap * then start 'er up! service ldap start and if I were you...also restart smb and nscd (if you use it) Now beyond that, you may have other issues, but that's the start....keep us posted David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 On 15/11/06, Kari Matthews wrote: > > Hi, > > > Yesterday, my building lost electricity. The server was not plugged in to > the UPS, so the server and all the workstations lost power. When the > electricity went back on, none of the computers would login to the server. > > I have a Ubuntu server and Edubuntu fat clients that authenticate with the > Oquist / Trask SMBLDAP script. > > Any ideas on where I can start hunting this problem down? > > Thanks, > Kari > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Nov 14 19:27:00 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:27:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Lost electricity / Lost SMBLDAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50275.169.244.70.148.1163532420.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> chances are your ldap database got corrupt....check to see if slapd( is running..it prob wont start if corrupt..grab your latest slapcat copy of the database.. move the corrupt out of the way with something like mv /var/lib/ldap /var/lib/ldap.corrupt slapadd -l yourbackupfile..then set perms on the new /var/lib/ldap to be like the old corrupt one restart ldap and hopefully you'll be in business..chuck From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 19:20:33 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:20:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? In-Reply-To: <4559CCA2.3040106@maltzen.net> References: <58675.127.0.0.1.1163474505.squirrel@server1> <4559CCA2.3040106@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <2be970b50611141120t967e0bbk9f3cd939b60c62ef@mail.gmail.com> Ok. I am in the process of replying to Barry's questions but I think I REALLY need to know the answer to a couple of things to proceed. 1) How can I get a dmesg for clients? I see some sort of error message for sound shooting by when booting thin clients, but I can't find any logs anywhere. That is very problematic. WHERE are errors logged for clients using LTSP? I tried adding: SCREEN_02 = shell (as suggested by some of the HOWTo's as a troubleshooting step) in lts.conf but I wasn't able to get a prompt by hitting F2 once I rebooted. I don't know why lts.conf doesn't honor it. 2) ESD doesn't appear to run unless I do: esd -port 16001 &. Then when I do ps aux | grep esd I see: ja 8729 0.0 0.0 2948 480 ? Ss 10:53 0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps ja 9256 0.0 0.1 3216 1568 ? SL 10:55 0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps root 11614 0.0 0.1 3216 1780 pts/1 SL 11:12 0:00 esd -port 16001 root 11860 0.0 0.0 2884 820 pts/0 S+ 11:13 0:00 grep esd However when I do: netstat -an | grep 16001 I don't see anything. I feel like the client isn't able to connect to the sound server, but I can't figure out where to gather more information. Hope this looks familiar to someone. Thanks for all of your collective help! John On 11/14/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Actually, if possible, keep the discussion on the list. Questions about > sound come up > frequently, and the more discussion there is on the list, the easier it > will be for > people to find answers when searching the archives. > > Petre > > Barry R Cisna wrote: > If you > > like email me off list and i will help in more detail. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 14 19:22:39 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:22:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Lost electricity / Lost SMBLDAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061114192239.14078.qmail@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Kari Matthews wrote: > Hi, > > > Yesterday, my building lost electricity. The server > was not plugged in to > the UPS, so the server and all the workstations lost > power. When the > electricity went back on, none of the computers > would login to the server. > > I have a Ubuntu server and Edubuntu fat clients that > authenticate with the > Oquist / Trask SMBLDAP script. > > Any ideas on where I can start hunting this problem > down? > > Thanks, > Kari > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Kari, Something similar had happened to me a few months ago. My guess is that the LDAP database got corrupted because the service didn't shutdown properly. That's what had happened to me. I'm not able to look up the exact steps I followed right now, but generally I: * stopped the LDAP service * deleted the current LDAP database * imported into LDAP the most recent backup of that database * started the LDAP service And then everyone was able to log in okay. I hope this helps! David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland www.calvaryschoolsholland.org ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 14 19:27:55 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:27:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611141120t967e0bbk9f3cd939b60c62ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <58675.127.0.0.1.1163474505.squirrel@server1> <4559CCA2.3040106@maltzen.net> <2be970b50611141120t967e0bbk9f3cd939b60c62ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455A18BB.4080505@maltzen.net> john wrote: > Ok. I am in the process of replying to Barry's questions but I think I > REALLY need to know the answer to a couple of things to proceed. > > 1) How can I get a dmesg for clients? I see some sort of error message > for sound shooting by when booting thin clients, but I can't find any > logs anywhere. That is very problematic. WHERE are errors logged for > clients using LTSP? I tried adding: > SCREEN_02 = shell > (as suggested by some of the HOWTo's as a troubleshooting step) > in lts.conf but I wasn't able to get a prompt by hitting F2 once I > rebooted. I don't know why lts.conf doesn't honor it. Set SCREEN_01 = shell in your lts.conf. This will bring your terminal to a command prompt rather than loading X and the GUI stuff. Thus, you should be able to see the error messages related to sound. Petre From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 14 19:28:53 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:28:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Ticket tracker In-Reply-To: <455A0DDD.70806@physics.isu.edu> References: <455A0DDD.70806@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <1163532534.6002.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 11:41 -0700, Ben Nickell wrote: > I would like to install a simple ticket tracking system. I've follow > the periodic discussions about them here with interest, and decided I'd > try request-tracker or irm, both of which have been recommended here > and while they may be a bit of overkill, they look like they fit my > needs well. > > The problem is, I don't really like to install and maintain them outside > the packaging system, and the debian packages in the Ubuntu LTS universe > repository have old dependencies. Irm wants to uninstall php5 apache > module and use php4. Maybe this isn't such a big deal, but looking to > the future since this is a new server. Request tracker wants apache1, > exim, and a whole page of perl modules. Neither of these are ideal to > me as this is a multi-use webserver and I'm trying to consolidate > servers so I don't want to limit myself. Sound like I'm just making it > to hard as usual. If you run it under fastcgi instead of mod_perl you remove the apache version dependencies. That probably doesn't help with the ubuntu/debian package though but the only really hard part is getting all the perl modules installed. > I'm thinking of VMware or I'm open to other alternatives, but the > overriding feature I'm looking for is that it is easy to use, maintain > and upgrade because I'd like to use it for the long term. Anyone have > something that works for them in such a scenario? I've been hoping someone would build a downloadable vmware appliance. Meanwhile I'm using a hand-installed version from these instructions: http://wiki.bestpractical.com/index.cgi?RHEL4InstallGuide on the EL (centos-based) version of k12ltsp. It runs as a virtual host with fastcgi and doesn't bother any of the other vhosts or require a special apache. If you were going to dedicate a box or run under vmware, I'd probably go with the RPM-installed mod_perl version here instead: http://wiki.bestpractical.com/index.cgi?RPMInstall -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue Nov 14 20:39:02 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:39:02 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <20061114170024.108DD73B20@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061114170024.108DD73B20@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1163536742.4287.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 12:00 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to > k12osn at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > k12osn-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > k12osn-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? > (Barry R Cisna) > 2. Re: Opinions on a Forum (Les Mikesell) > 3. Re: Opinions on a Forum (Dan Young) > 4. esssolo1 linux driver (Jean Phil) > 5. Re: User already logged in prompt (William Fragakis) > 6. Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? > (William Fragakis) > 7. Re: Opinions on a Forum (Burke Almquist) > 8. Re: Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? > (Petre Scheie) > 9. Re: esssolo1 linux driver (Petre Scheie) > 10. Re: mondoarchive in K12LTSP 4.4.1 (Tim Born) > 11. Re: mondoarchive in K12LTSP 4.4.1 (Tim Born) > 12. new account and Flash (William Fragakis) > 13. Nancy E. Willard Audio Interview on Internet Safety > (Steve Hargadon) > 14. Re: Opinions on a Forum (Les Mikesell) > 15. Re: Opinions on a Forum (Meelis Mihhailov) > 16. Re: Opinions on a Forum (Les Mikesell) > 17. Re: Opinions on a Forum (Les Mikesell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:21:44 -0600 (CST) > From: Barry R Cisna > Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote > sound? > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <58675.127.0.0.1.1163474505.squirrel at server1> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi John, > > You did not mention what version of K12ltsp/ltsp you are running? Are you > using esd as the default sound daemon? DO you have ALL pci cards in your > client machines? Ive found a good starting spot to troubleshoot this,,is > to install XMMS. This is easy and consistent to test sound on. Once you > have your sound working on ALL clients through XMMS,, then graduate to > Flash/ Rhythmbox,Totem, Xine, Mplayer etc. But the BIG thing is use XMMS > and as the sound output for xmms /preferences to test sound on each > client. If you dont do this, you'll end up doing many days of head > scratching as it sounds you have been doing. Do you check to make sure all > client machines are set in System>Preferences>More Preferences> Multimedia > systems selector set to esd,and do you get the Syn "humm' when doing > atest or what error do you get? You are right in that on v5 of k12ltsp( if > this is the version of k12ltsp you are using) you have to chmod 755 the > /dev/dsp and the /dev/mixer to get sound working for "everyone".If you > like email me off list and i will help in more detail. Lots of little > things that will work easier such as using totem-xine,rather than the > default totem,,which uses gstreamer sound .For flash sound you still may > need to do the " mkdir /tmp/.esd , then touch /tmp/.esd/socket" once in a > while to keep it working,etc. Ive been doing this gig since early versions > of k12ltsp,,and still dont know much,,though:)..but sound works on > everything cept RealPlayer10:(..which does not have esd support.. > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > cisna-barry wc235.k12.il.us > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:56:45 -0600 > From: Les Mikesell > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1163476604.6235.19.camel at les-home.futuresource.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 20:24, Sudev Barar wrote: > > On 14/11/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 15:15 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > > Yes, I wish the k12ltsp wiki had a *prominent* link right on the first page of > > > > k12ltsp.org. OTOH, Ubuntu has Canonical driving it; k12ltsp just has...us. ;-) > > > > > > I think it would be even better if www.k12ltsp.org went directly to the > > > > [SNIP] > > > > My $0.02 worth - No > > Broadcasts, like mailing list, is much better in increasing knowledge > > as it also brings to me issues that may not be on fire today but could > > be a situation in future or a trend that I am not even aware of. > > The combination is even better when things that come up and > are answered on the list are summarized on the wiki for > easier reference. > > > For example I just am replaying mails on this list on backup's and > > trying to see if backuppc offers better user control without involving > > IT support like we have to using rsync...and so on. > > It does, but you can only map machines to 'owners' who are > allowed to access the backups of their own machines through > the web interface. It doesn't go user level on multiuser > machines, although I suppose you could use the alias feature > to make each home directory look like a different machine > if you wanted to go to the trouble. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:24:18 -0800 > From: Dan Young > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <45595302.2020707 at mesd.k12.or.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Les Mikesell wrote: > >> Again, thanks, and I will see how I feel and how others way in at. > >> Hopefully if I do get a forum up I can put aside enough time to > >> contribute good topics and set it up with some useful initial > >> information. > > > > Try joining a few dozen mailing lists and forums before you decide > > which you like better. Forums become very cumbersome when you have > > more than a couple of interests. > > FWIW Les, I agree about forums not scaling and personally hate the idea > of anything that would balkanize F/OSS in education efforts. Speaking > just for myself, forums are out for that reason only. > > Having said that, the typical geek interaction with mailing lists (e.g. > filtering on the List-Id header or similar) is _not_ very welcoming or > obvious to the newcomer. I suppose I could blame the poor mailing list > support in popular MUAs, but I can't help but wonder how many folks run > away screaming the first time their INBOXes fill up from joining a > high-traffic list (imagine (fedora|ubuntu)-users lists for example). > > Maybe I'd like to see perhaps pointers to the GMANE interface, as that's > effectively a BB-type interface to most popular lists. Frankly, I like > that the conversations on K12OSN don't usually get too "meta" and mostly > focus on rocking with regard to free software in schools. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:00:41 +0800 > From: "Jean Phil" > Subject: [K12OSN] esssolo1 linux driver > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > My thin client's soundcard is not working properly. On boot up it has a > fatal error. Module esssolo1 not found. Does any know where I can download > and how to install it. Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20061114/4a063334/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:15:17 -0500 > From: William Fragakis > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] User already logged in prompt > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1163510117.15761.7.camel at server.ltsp> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Petre is very kind but I've not in decades had an original thought. I > nicked this off the ltsp wiki or something similar, iirc. > > regards, > William > > On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 22:11 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 7 > > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:09:16 -0600 > > From: Petre Scheie > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] User already logged in prompt > > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > > Message-ID: <4558ED0C.7090007 at maltzen.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > > Having multiple users log in with the same ID is generally a bad idea, > > because of the > > problems you're running into. For kindergartners, it would be better > > to setup the > > clients to automatically login. To do so, you have to do a small bit > > of configuration > > for each client machine, but I don't think it's too hard. > > > > Credit where credit is due: Morris Brandon Elementary in Atlanta does > > this. William > > Fragakis, who set it up, sent the following to me on configuring it: > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:33:59 -0500 > From: William Fragakis > Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote > sound? > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1163511239.15761.21.camel at server.ltsp> > Content-Type: text/plain > > I don't understand it but I can point provide you with a bit of insight > gleaned from my bumps and bruises. the ltsp wiki audio section can be > very helpful btw. > > On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 22:11 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have been hacking at my sound issue for the better part of 3 days > > now and > > I hope someone can point me in the right direction. > > > > -problem 1: sound only for root and only on the server itself > > -problem 2: thin clients don't see ANY sound card (in Gnome) under > > Preferences>Sound unless I do chmod -R 777 /dev/dsp and chmod -R 777 > > /dev/snd and then they ONLY see the servers Sound card after reboot. > > Sound > because (drum roll....), remember, unless you are doing local apps, > everything is running on the server, so when running sound card > detection, you are running it on the server. > > > has NEVER worked for ANY of the several clients I have tried to use. > > > > Sound seems like a VERY difficult nut to crack. > Not really. We have 8 yr old Compaq desktops and brand new thin clients > with sound. If you are using GNOME, make sure you are using esd in > lts.conf and commented out nasd. > > When the client boots, right before the display is enabled, see if it > recognizes and initiates (right word?) the sound card. If it only says > something like sound card not detected, choose correct sound module or > something similar (my coffee and memory haven't kicked in this morning) > you need to list the sound card in the lts.conf file. Most Sound Blaster > cards are auto recognized though. If yours isn't, google around as lots > of folks have posted various permutations especially with laptops which > seem particularly finicky as clients. Many older PCs with built-in sound > actually use the ISA configuration that's commented out in lts.conf even > though the motherboard has only PCI slots. We were wonderfully surprised > when a bunch of old Compaqs barked to life with their little built-in > speakers recently. > > If all else fails, cheap $5 SB-compatible PCI cards from newegg.com work > fine. > > Once you have the sound card recognized, then go on each client and > (again, drum roll) enable sound in the preferences. It's easy to miss > this step. Also, look at the ltsp wiki and understand how to turn sound > on with Flash. It's well explained there. > > You don't really need to understand the idea of sound servers, etc to > get sound working. Understanding it does give you an idea of the > challenge the ltsp develops had when they began, though. > > Regards, > William > > > I see lots of requests that > > never seem to have resolutions on this list. Is there anyone here who > > feels > > like they REALLY understand whats going on with remote sound? This > > isn't a > > challenge, just a question, because I feel very much in the dark (and > > of > > course if you say 'YES' I am going to start asking you questions! :-) > > > > Should I take this to the LTSP list or the LTSP IRC channel? > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:45:16 -0600 > From: Burke Almquist > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <9BA405C5-FB3F-40C1-AFA8-E7FC9C86A499 at mindfirestudios.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I have to say that I agree. The COMBINATION of a wiki and mailing > list seems to be better than using a forum. But a forum would be > better than either a mailing list or wiki alone. > > The major weakness of the mailing list is that it not easy to search, > as it tends to be chronological, and have a lot of noise compared to > a forum. But the wiki is even better at solving this than a forum/BB > would be. The major weakness of the wiki is that it doesn't do the > realtime Q&A like a forum or mailing list. IMHO the mailing list is > better for fast Q&A than a forum, since all the conversations are > pushed out rather than pulled. That's why a combination of the wiki/ > mailinglist obviates the need to do a web forum for me. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:03:14 -0600 > From: Petre Scheie > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote > sound? > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <4559CCA2.3040106 at maltzen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Actually, if possible, keep the discussion on the list. Questions about sound come up > frequently, and the more discussion there is on the list, the easier it will be for > people to find answers when searching the archives. > > Petre > > Barry R Cisna wrote: > If you > > like email me off list and i will help in more detail. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:07:39 -0600 > From: Petre Scheie > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] esssolo1 linux driver > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <4559CDAB.8070702 at maltzen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Can you boot a knoppix disk on your thin client? If so, does sound work with that? If > so, run lspci to see what sound driver knoppix is using, then report back to the list. > > Petre > > Jean Phil wrote: > > My thin client's soundcard is not working properly. On boot up it has a > > fatal error. Module esssolo1 not found. Does any know where I can > > download and how to install it. Thanks! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:36:12 -0600 > From: Tim Born > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] mondoarchive in K12LTSP 4.4.1 > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > , petre at maltzen.net > Message-ID: <4559D45C.4000806 at deltacfax.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > mkcdrec does not appear to be part of K12LTSP 4.4.1 > > >[root at zorro ~]# yum search mkcdrec > >Searching Packages: > >Setting up repositories > >Reading repository metadata in from local files > >No Matches found > >[root at zorro ~]# apropos mkcdrec > >mkcdrec: nothing appropriate > >[root at zorro ~]# > > > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > > mkcdrec > > > > Tim Born wrote: > > > >> Tim Born wrote: > >> > >>> Has anyone gotten Mondo to work on K12LTSP 4.4.1? > >>> > >> I'm the *only* one backing up my system with Mondo ?? > >> > >> OK, I'll bite. What else makes bare-metal recovery CDs on K12LTSP? > >> > >> -tim > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:49:04 -0600 > From: Tim Born > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] mondoarchive in K12LTSP 4.4.1 > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > , eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us > Message-ID: <4559D760.2090507 at deltacfax.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > >Tim Born wrote: > > > > > >>... > >> > >>Has anyone gotten Mondo to work on K12LTSP 4.4.1? > >> > >> > > > >This may be the same issue that can cause install disk verifies to fail > >(falsely). > > > >Try appending "ide=nodma" to the boot options when booting the restore cd. > > > >-Eric > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > Tried that option last night with no success. Didn't seem to make any > difference. > > Found an error /var/log/mindi.log that must have been created during the > backup: > > > Warning - /lib/liblvm does not exist; cannot be LDD'd. > > This warning only affects you if you are using LVM. > > That concerns me since we ARE using LVM. > > Installed latest FC4 RPMs for mondo & mindi to see if they work any better. > Backing up still in progress. I will let you know. > At this point mondo I see that mondo-2.2.0-2 seems to know about IDE > CDROMs, which is new. > > -tim > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:51:29 -0500 > From: William Fragakis > Subject: [K12OSN] new account and Flash > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1163515889.16782.9.camel at server.ltsp> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hello all, > I have a quirk that I can't figure out. Ideas welcome. We set up a new > account on a ver 5 server (updated from ver. 4). While every other > account on the server can use Flash in Firefox, the new one can't. I > even put the plug ins in a local folder /home/thisuser/.mozilla...etc > and that didn't work. Looking at the pluginreg.dat file, nothing at a > cursory look seems amiss. > > Any ideas? Again, all the existing accounts use Flash fine but new > accounts (I've tried this a couple of times) can't. Even if I copy an > entire .mozilla file from another user and change the permissions to > this user, it won't work. > > Sign me, > Perplexed in the South > (William) > > btw, FreeNX and Teacher_Tool rock as remote management tools. But you > knew that already... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:58:42 -0800 > From: "Steve Hargadon" > Subject: [K12OSN] Nancy E. Willard Audio Interview on Internet Safety > To: schoolforge-discuss at schoolforge.net, "Support list for open source > software in schools." > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/NancyWillard.mp3 > http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/NancyWillard.ogg > > Over > the last several months, I've watched > Nancy'sconsistent, warning voice > on the educational technology email lists. I'm > sure this is not an easy role--at a time when the read-write web is > challenging educators to find creative ways to take advantage in schools of > technologies that have become so engaging to our youth outside of school , > Nancy keeps talking about hard topics of safe internet use, filtering, > online predators, disinhibition , > and cyberbullying . > > Arranging an interview time with Nancy was difficult--she is the parent of > three children, and working on finishing two books--but we finally caught up > last week. I was particularly interested in her concerns about how online > sexual predation is taught, which she says is often based on the myth that > the youth who go to meet an online predator are unaware of what is actually > going to take place. Nancy is also appropriately harsh on the inappropriate > marketing of sexuality to young women, and she agreed with my concerns (we > both have thirteen-year-old daughters) about how the movies and media have > really promoted aggressive sexuality by young women in the last decade. And > she discusses cyber-bullying, which I hadn't really had any direct > experience with, but which she describes as very real and very serious. > > My wife generally has not had a great deal of interest in my interview > series (c'mon, isn't everyone excited about educational technology?), but > she listened to this interview from start to finish. Our thanks to Nancy for > caring. > > EdTechLive.com Interview > Series > > Listen > to the WebCast in MP3 > format > > * *Listen to WebCast in Vorbis OGG > format > *Subscribe to this AudioCast: > * > > Not sure how to listen MP3/OGG files? Use the free > VLC Media Player --works on Linux, Windows, and > Mac. > > -- > Steve Hargadon > steve at hargadon.com > 916-899-1400 direct > > www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) > www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) > www.EdTechLive.com (Podcasts, Workshops, & Conferences) > www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) > www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) > www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) > www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) > www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20061114/548a8158/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:06:41 -0600 > From: Les Mikesell > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1163520401.6002.7.camel at moola.futuresource.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 07:45 -0600, Burke Almquist wrote: > > I have to say that I agree. The COMBINATION of a wiki and mailing > > list seems to be better than using a forum. But a forum would be > > better than either a mailing list or wiki alone. > > I think the real flaw of a forum is that while it is easier for > someone starting out and barely interested in computer-related > topics to post their questions there, the answers are more likely > to come from people who found them because they are watching an > assortment of related mail lists and don't have time to bounce > around through forums. > > > The major weakness of the mailing list is that it not easy to search, > > as it tends to be chronological, and have a lot of noise compared to > > a forum. > > I've never seen a forum that was any better at being searched. The > sound/noise ratio also doesn't seem better to me. If there is less > noise it is because there is less general interest. > > > The major weakness of the wiki is that it doesn't do the > > realtime Q&A like a forum or mailing list. > > That's a weakness in the wiki users, not the platform which lets > you make it whatever you want it to be. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:28:26 +0200 > From: "Meelis Mihhailov" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum I would say No to a forum. For the same reasons that others have given. SNIP..... You can always use the digest option to keep the number of messages down. Admittedly digest replies aren't as prompt as individual messages. My 2c worth. Bert > If you get about 50 e-mails in 24 hours (60% of them at the time I'm > sleeping) then it's a lot of work to filter out the things I want to read > and things I do not. :) > > Meelis > > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Nov 14 20:44:46 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:44:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? Message-ID: <55734.172.28.8.55.1163537086.squirrel@172.28.8.55> John, You never mentioned. When the client boots up. Do you see were soundcard "X" has been detected correctly/ shortly after usb lines...? Do you have PCI soundcards/onboard sound on these clinets? If so what make/brand? If they are not detected at bootup and intialized you'll never get sound,regardless of ,,what configs are changed. Barry From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Nov 14 20:45:37 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:45:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? Message-ID: <55809.172.28.8.55.1163537137.squirrel@172.28.8.55> John, You never mentioned. When the client boots up. Do you see were soundcard "X" has been detected correctly/ shortly after usb lines...? Do you have PCI soundcards/onboard sound on these clinets? If so what make/brand? If they are not detected at bootup and intialized you'll never get sound,regardless of ,,what configs are changed. Barry From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 14 20:54:17 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:54:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <1163536742.4287.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061114170024.108DD73B20@hormel.redhat.com> <1163536742.4287.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <455A2CF9.500@mesd.k12.or.us> Bert Rolston wrote: > I would say No to a forum. For the same reasons that others have given. > > SNIP..... > > You can always use the digest option to keep the number of messages > down. > > Admittedly digest replies aren't as prompt as individual messages. > > My 2c worth. Only had to scroll through 670 lines to find your reply. ;-) That's another strike against digests. Well, that and they break threading too. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 14 20:55:04 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:55:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] wiki down? Message-ID: <455A2D28.908@maltzen.net> The wiki seems to be unavailable at the moment... From meelis at nlib.ee Tue Nov 14 20:56:43 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:56:43 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinions on a Forum References: <20061114170023.DD13D73A53@hormel.redhat.com> <1163525683.21209.17.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <059f01c7082f$640e91b0$0301a8c0@lammas> > Consider digest mode. Quickly scan the topics you want to read and chuck > the rest. There are usually 10-15 posts per digest that I receive unless > it's a slow day. > Hmm ... I'll give it a try. Thanks :) > I vote elist and wiki. Forums are great for hobbyists but a lot of us > have schools to admin and need the collective brainpower when disaster > strikes. I host a couple of forums, I'm a forum kind of guy, which are > great but for this task, I must say, the list works better. > It seems that actually both ... forums and lists have their own pros and cons. It only depends on the way how people are used to communicate. A big % of users in this list are used to this kind of system and it makes a moving to forums a bit hard. I have nothing against this mailing list beacause even if there will be no forum, community still works and people help each other :) This is what actually matters ;) > A wiki would better organize our collective experience than having it > spread about 10 different threads and the poor newbie hamstrung because > they didn't enter a good search string. For example, if they search > audio, to get audio going, every thread that someone posted a portion of > their lts.conf would show up, too, even if those topics were about > screen resolutions. > Wiki is a good solution if there is a group of people ready to repair mistakes that may occur in articles. A lot of writing and reading :) but the result might be more than satisfying if tutorials and tricks will be added :) Meelis From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 21:04:29 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:04:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? In-Reply-To: <55809.172.28.8.55.1163537137.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <55809.172.28.8.55.1163537137.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <2be970b50611141304h21ffcf81j1566f3e1b9ea3fdf@mail.gmail.com> Hi Barry et al, After setting screen_01 = shell I am able to see the following: i810_audio: Resetting connection 0 ac97__codec: AC97 Audio Codec, id: ADS64 (Analog Devices AD1881) i810_audio: AC'97 codec 0 unable to map surround DAC's (or DAC's not present), total channels = 2 ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' ALSA lib conf.c3493:(snd_config_evalutate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: no such device ALSA lib conf.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: no such device etc,etc,etc: I did dmesg > dmesg.txt and collected only a partial transcription of the above. I have no idea where the rest of these messages are going. Boy would it be nice to have a place where this stuff was logged. Is there and option under ltsp.conf (not lts.conf) to set logging?) It goes on from there, but I had to transcribe it by hand since I can't find it with locate dmesg.txt once I boot into a GUI session. I am using a Compaq Ipaq with an I810 chipset and and Ntavo 6020 p with a Realtek chipset. My understanding is that the the i810 chipset is PCI based. It is on board. I believe the NTAVO chipset is PCI based as well. Thanks for your questions! John On 11/14/06, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > > John, > > You never mentioned. > When the client boots up. Do you see were soundcard "X" has been detected > correctly/ shortly after usb lines...? > Do you have PCI soundcards/onboard sound on these clinets? If so what > make/brand? If they are not detected at bootup and intialized you'll never > get sound,regardless of ,,what configs are changed. > > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Nov 14 21:30:34 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:30:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Lost electricity / Lost SMBLDAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup...easy...assuming you are using a relatively recent version of smbldap_installer (last year or so.....actually if you are using it on an Ubuntu Server you should be ok...Ubuntu support came in later versions).....go here and read the section on disaster recovery http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Hi, > > >Yesterday, my building lost electricity. The server was not plugged in >to the UPS, so the server and all the workstations lost power. When the >electricity went back on, none of the computers would login to the >server. > >I have a Ubuntu server and Edubuntu fat clients that authenticate with >the Oquist / Trask SMBLDAP script. > >Any ideas on where I can start hunting this problem down? > >Thanks, >Kari > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Nov 14 22:09:42 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:09:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote sound? Message-ID: <50053.127.0.0.1.1163542182.squirrel@server1> Hi John, there's your problem with your intel i810 sound. I know even when installing Winderz,,on this chipset if you dont install the proprietary Intel chipset software peice the onboard sound& NIC etc,will never work:(. Ditch this client for now and try your Ntavo box, the realtek soundchip should initialize correctly at bootup. Like I say,when the client is booting,after several lines of usb.... you should see the kernel try and initailize your soundcard, aka: sound soundblaster, or realtek with a few lines of irg/dma,etc.if it says error at this point,, no sound ever.with this particular soundcard.Also this is kind of a hillbilly troubleshoot but turn your speakers all the way up,and when bootup reaches this point,you should hear a diffinate "pop" sound. this indicates that your sound card has been detected/initialized. If you NEVER hear the pop from your speakers at bootup,your sound is NEVER going to work,period! But,, if you heard the pop your sound should work,At this point go through the steps,,i mentioned in my earlier post. Your dmesg output you posted diffentaly indicates your intel soundcard didnt do the initialize,and hence,, no soundy:(.. Dig through your old PC's even P1's and pop in any pci soundcard,,and go through them all till you hear the distinctive "pop" at bootup,,then you are going to have sound out of this box,so you know what you should be seeing/hearing. Ask you friend for an old discarded pc,,with pci soundcard if thats what it takes. After you "hear" what you should be hearing then you should eventually be able to add to your lts.conf file some lines for your intel i810 box,and get that sound card to "live".. Ive found its much less headache to use cheapo soundcards,PCI instead of doing all the adding lines to lts.conf... Hope this helps. Barry Cisna westcentral school From k12osn at deltacfax.com Tue Nov 14 22:16:33 2006 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:16:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mondoarchive in K12LTSP 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <4559D760.2090507@deltacfax.com> References: <4554E231.1010103@deltacfax.com> <4558D3DA.1060001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4559D760.2090507@deltacfax.com> Message-ID: <455A4041.4080508@deltacfax.com> Tim Born wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Tim Born wrote: >> >> >>> ... >>> >>> Has anyone gotten Mondo to work on K12LTSP 4.4.1? >>> >> >> >> This may be the same issue that can cause install disk verifies to fail >> (falsely). >> >> Try appending "ide=nodma" to the boot options when booting the >> restore cd. >> >> -Eric >> > Tried that option last night with no success. Didn't seem to make any > difference. > > Found an error /var/log/mindi.log that must have been created during > the backup: > >> Warning - /lib/liblvm does not exist; cannot be LDD'd. >> This warning only affects you if you are using LVM. > > > That concerns me since we ARE using LVM. > > Installed latest FC4 RPMs for mondo & mindi to see if they work any > better. > Backing up still in progress. I will let you know. At this point > mondo I see that mondo-2.2.0-2 seems to know about IDE CDROMs, which > is new. > > -tim Updated mondo on my server to see if the newer version would make a backup: wget ftp://ftp.mondorescue.org/fedora/4/mindi-1.2.0-2.fc4.i386.rpm wget ftp://ftp.mondorescue.org/fedora/4/mindi-busybox-1.2.1-2.fc4.i386.rpm wget ftp://ftp.mondorescue.org/fedora/4/mondo-2.2.0-2.fc4.i386.rpm rpm -Uhv --force *.rpm Needed to force it since these RPMs are tied to k12ltsp-utils and I didn't want to uninstall it. Also, the version number used in K12LTSP doesn't appear to be the same versioning scheme used by the developers, so RPM thought that mindi-1.10-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 was newer than mindi-1.2.0-2.fc4. As far as I can tell there was no mindi-1.10.* Backup worked perfectly and verified just fine. Can't prove it, but I believe the version of mondo that is in k12ltsp 4.4.1 does not handle LVM properly, although this new version does. Mystery solved. -tim From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Nov 14 22:26:02 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:26:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Ticket tracker Message-ID: <39662.127.0.0.1.1163543162.squirrel@server1> Hi Ben, We have used OSticket for three years now.It is in mothballs right now,as far as development.The site claims to be "coming out" with a new release but this has been said for one year now. But,, it very simple..effective.easy to setup. I couldnt think of anything it "doesnt" do that we'd like it to do. I have simply left the first version we setup,in place,and never updated. If you like i can give you our ftp site and you can download the version that works great for us,,or simply do a google for OSticket and see what their site has to say. Youll have to dig in the forums there that someone has posted,for a version that is posted to download it. The price is right:)...free.... Hope this helps. Barry Cisna westcentral school From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue Nov 14 22:29:35 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:29:35 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <20061114205703.115C873783@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061114205703.115C873783@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1163543376.4287.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi List, Sooner or later a pet hate comes up to bite me. :-) My fault for not checking if I had removed ALL MATERIAL BEFORE my reply. DOH! SUBCAC - Stuff Up Between Chair And Computer Cheers, Bert > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:54:17 -0800 > From: Dan Young > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Opinions on a Forum > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <455A2CF9.500 at mesd.k12.or.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Bert Rolston wrote: > > I would say No to a forum. For the same reasons that others have given. > > > > SNIP..... > > > > You can always use the digest option to keep the number of messages > > down. > > > > Admittedly digest replies aren't as prompt as individual messages. > > > > My 2c worth. > > Only had to scroll through 670 lines to find your reply. ;-) That's > another strike against digests. Well, that and they break threading too. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Nov 14 23:18:10 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:18:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] mtv In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4416.76.179.82.249.1163546290.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> wanna share what you got out of Mt View??? From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 01:07:20 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (David Knight) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:07:20 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with booting Compaq Deskpro client Message-ID: I have a heap of Compaq SF Deskpros working fine. I have just found one with an unusual problem. After flashing the bios to get PXE booting to work everything seemed fine until the last step when I get this error message: Fatal server error: xf86MapVidMem: Could not map framebuffer )0x41000000,0x400000) (Cannot allocate memory) Can anyone help me? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Nov 15 01:33:20 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:33:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Opinions on a Forum In-Reply-To: <1163543376.4287.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061114205703.115C873783@hormel.redhat.com> <1163543376.4287.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <38229.192.168.0.125.1163554400.squirrel@www.localnetsolutions.com> > Hi List, > > > > SUBCAC - Stuff Up Between Chair And Computer > > Cheers, > Bert PEBKAC - Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair ID10t (verbal "eye dee ten tee" code used for service call when someone does something _really_ braindead with a computer) When written on an invoice is is listed as "EROR CODE: ID-10-T" :) From akisakye at ucu.ac.ug Wed Nov 15 06:07:58 2006 From: akisakye at ucu.ac.ug (Kisakye Alex) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:07:58 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Lost electricity / Lost SMBLDAP References: Message-ID: <004901c7087c$695a4900$cec8a8c0@sword> HI, Same here, I run into this problems a couple of times, I followed the solution that David Knight has shared and was able to login in again ALex ----- Original Message ----- From: David Knight To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Lost electricity / Lost SMBLDAP This has happened to me a few times. The following email from David Trask helped me a lot. I found that I couldn't restore from ldif.gz files, but if I extracted them first it worked. Hope this helps. Krsnendu >>David Trask wrote<< If you can ssh in, then you can fix ldap. If you have a relatively recent version of smbldap-installer installed then you can find your backups here at /var/smbldap-backups Look for the most recent date To fix the corrupt ldap: service ldap stop (just to be sure) cd /var/lib/ldap rm -Rf * (clean that sucker out) slapadd -l /var/smbldap-backups/latest-file.ldif (wait for a few secs and hold your breath) Once it's done.... cd /var/lib/ldap chown -R ldap:ldap * then start 'er up! service ldap start and if I were you...also restart smb and nscd (if you use it) Now beyond that, you may have other issues, but that's the start....keep us posted David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 On 15/11/06, Kari Matthews wrote: Hi, Yesterday, my building lost electricity. The server was not plugged in to the UPS, so the server and all the workstations lost power. When the electricity went back on, none of the computers would login to the server. I have a Ubuntu server and Edubuntu fat clients that authenticate with the Oquist / Trask SMBLDAP script. Any ideas on where I can start hunting this problem down? Thanks, Kari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When the >> electricity went back on, none of the computers >> would login to the server. >> >> I have a Ubuntu server and Edubuntu fat clients that >> authenticate with the >> Oquist / Trask SMBLDAP script. >> >> Any ideas on where I can start hunting this problem >> down? >> >> Thanks, >> Kari >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > Kari, > > Something similar had happened to me a few months ago. > My guess is that the LDAP database got corrupted > because the service didn't shutdown properly. That's > what had happened to me. > > I'm not able to look up the exact steps I followed > right now, but generally I: > * stopped the LDAP service > * deleted the current LDAP database > * imported into LDAP the most recent backup of that > database > * started the LDAP service > > And then everyone was able to log in okay. > > I hope this helps! > > David Whitmer > > Director of Media & Technology > Calvary Schools of Holland > www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Barry Cisna westcentral school From bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com Wed Nov 15 15:26:01 2006 From: bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com (bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:26:01 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware authentication and PAM Message-ID: <111520061526.4189.455B318900004A7F0000105D219791280203010CD2079C080C03BFCDCFCECE02019C020801060D@mchsi.com> Greetings Everyone, I haven't posted for quite some time, but I still follow the list with regularity. On to my problem. In my new school system, we use Netware 6 for authentication, home folders, etc. I would like to be able to take LTSP and authenticate to the netware servers, following using the information from the following article: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/6019.html I have successfully been able to do this using Ubuntu with a standalone installation of LTSP. I would prefer to use K12LTSP built on Fedora, as I believe it to be more fully featured. For the life of me, I cannot get ncpfs to compile on Fedora. I've used gcc4x, gcc34, gcc32. It will compile fine on Ubuntu using either gcc 34 or gcc32. Any tips or ideas on what is happening? I apologize in advance if this email comes through as HTML, I'm using the web interface of my home email client. Regards, Brad From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Wed Nov 15 15:36:08 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:36:08 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Netware=20authentication?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20and=20PAM?= In-Reply-To: <111520061526.4189.455B318900004A7F0000105D219791280203010CD2079C080C03BFCDCFCECE02019C020801060D@mchsi.com> References: <111520061526.4189.455B318900004A7F0000105D219791280203010CD2079C080C03BFCDCFCECE02019C020801060D@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <455AED98020000BB00001561@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Have you seen these wiki themes? http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/InterOperability As for recompiling, i only did it at the once, i use rpm modules for the job now. My last installment still used a old copy of ncpfs and ncputils on K12ltsp v4.4.1 (fedora 4 i beleive). If you want to try these rpm with Fedora 5, contact me offline and i will upload them to you. Guy Lessard Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais Qu?bec, Canada >>> 2006-11-15 10:26:01 >>> Greetings Everyone, I haven't posted for quite some time, but I still follow the list with regularity. On to my problem. In my new school system, we use Netware 6 for authentication, home folders, etc. I would like to be able to take LTSP and authenticate to the netware servers, following using the information from the following article: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/6019.html I have successfully been able to do this using Ubuntu with a standalone installation of LTSP. I would prefer to use K12LTSP built on Fedora, as I believe it to be more fully featured. For the life of me, I cannot get ncpfs to compile on Fedora. I've used gcc4x, gcc34, gcc32. It will compile fine on Ubuntu using either gcc 34 or gcc32. Any tips or ideas on what is happening? I apologize in advance if this email comes through as HTML, I'm using the web interface of my home email client. Regards, Brad _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 15:59:30 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:59:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware authentication and PAM In-Reply-To: <111520061526.4189.455B318900004A7F0000105D219791280203010CD2079C080C03BFCDCFCECE02019C020801060D@mchsi.com> References: <111520061526.4189.455B318900004A7F0000105D219791280203010CD2079C080C03BFCDCFCECE02019C020801060D@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200611151159.30772.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> NCPFS is in the k12ltsp yum repository (version 2.2.6-2) so the source RPMs should be available from the download site (and mirrors). I don't know what options the binaries were compiled with, but it is possible that they might already be suitable, in which case you could install them with: yum install ncpfs If not then the source RPMs should allow you to set the needed options. On Wednesday 15 November 2006 11:26, bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com wrote: > Greetings Everyone, > > I haven't posted for quite some time, but I still follow the list with > regularity. On to my problem. In my new school system, we use Netware 6 > for authentication, home folders, etc. I would like to be able to take > LTSP and authenticate to the netware servers, following using the > information from the following article: > > http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/6019.html > > I have successfully been able to do this using Ubuntu with a standalone > installation of LTSP. I would prefer to use K12LTSP built on Fedora, as I > believe it to be more fully featured. For the life of me, I cannot get > ncpfs to compile on Fedora. I've used gcc4x, gcc34, gcc32. It will > compile fine on Ubuntu using either gcc 34 or gcc32. Any tips or ideas on > what is happening? I apologize in advance if this email comes through as > HTML, I'm using the web interface of my home email client. > > Regards, > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From nadavkav at netvision.net.il Wed Nov 15 16:17:36 2006 From: nadavkav at netvision.net.il (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:17:36 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] User Settings/Desktop Lockdown In-Reply-To: <43080f460611061138x307a825bsf97b3cedef16f200@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611061138x307a825bsf97b3cedef16f200@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611151817.36979.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> On Monday 06 November 2006 21:38, Mel Wade wrote: > How can I lock down users settings like wallpaper, etc? I've read that > there is a script somewhere for this but I can't find it... if you're using KDE you can use the KioskTool to lock down features in the Desktop. it's in kde extragear or kde-apps.com ( i think ) or yum install kiosktool (apt-get...) From nadavkav at netvision.net.il Wed Nov 15 16:24:20 2006 From: nadavkav at netvision.net.il (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:24:20 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] mondoarchive in K12LTSP 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <455A4041.4080508@deltacfax.com> References: <4554E231.1010103@deltacfax.com> <4559D760.2090507@deltacfax.com> <455A4041.4080508@deltacfax.com> Message-ID: <200611151824.20285.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> On Wednesday 15 November 2006 00:16, Tim Born wrote: > Tim Born wrote: > > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Tim Born wrote: > >>> ... > >>> > >>> Has anyone gotten Mondo to work on K12LTSP 4.4.1? > >> > >> This may be the same issue that can cause install disk verifies to fail > >> (falsely). > >> > >> Try appending "ide=nodma" to the boot options when booting the > >> restore cd. > >> > >> -Eric > > > > Tried that option last night with no success. Didn't seem to make any > > difference. > > > > Found an error /var/log/mindi.log that must have been created during > > > > the backup: > >> Warning - /lib/liblvm does not exist; cannot be LDD'd. > >> This warning only affects you if you are using LVM. > > > > That concerns me since we ARE using LVM. > > > > Installed latest FC4 RPMs for mondo & mindi to see if they work any > > better. > > Backing up still in progress. I will let you know. At this point > > mondo I see that mondo-2.2.0-2 seems to know about IDE CDROMs, which > > is new. > > > > -tim > > Updated mondo on my server to see if the newer version would make a backup: > > wget ftp://ftp.mondorescue.org/fedora/4/mindi-1.2.0-2.fc4.i386.rpm > wget ftp://ftp.mondorescue.org/fedora/4/mindi-busybox-1.2.1-2.fc4.i386.rpm > wget ftp://ftp.mondorescue.org/fedora/4/mondo-2.2.0-2.fc4.i386.rpm > > rpm -Uhv --force *.rpm > > Needed to force it since these RPMs are tied to k12ltsp-utils and I > didn't want to uninstall it. > Also, the version number used in K12LTSP doesn't appear to be the same > versioning scheme used by the developers, > so RPM thought that mindi-1.10-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 was newer than > mindi-1.2.0-2.fc4. > As far as I can tell there was no mindi-1.10.* > > Backup worked perfectly and verified just fine. > Can't prove it, but I believe the version of mondo that is in k12ltsp > 4.4.1 does not handle LVM properly, although this new version does. > just read your thread :-) and i'd like to confirm that k12ltsp repositories have a buggy version and maybe out dated too of mondo. i had the same errors. and after getting the latest release from mondo org the problems were solved. i suggest updating the repos rpm with latest version from mondo org. > Mystery solved. > > -tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nadavkav at netvision.net.il Wed Nov 15 16:31:07 2006 From: nadavkav at netvision.net.il (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:31:07 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Ticket tracker In-Reply-To: <1163532534.6002.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <455A0DDD.70806@physics.isu.edu> <1163532534.6002.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200611151831.07213.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> try using creator.zoho.com they have many online ajax applications. including ticket tracker, online word proccesor, spread sheet, presentations... On Tuesday 14 November 2006 21:28, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 11:41 -0700, Ben Nickell wrote: > > I would like to install a simple ticket tracking system. I've follow > > the periodic discussions about them here with interest, and decided I'd > > try request-tracker or irm, both of which have been recommended here > > and while they may be a bit of overkill, they look like they fit my > > needs well. > > > > The problem is, I don't really like to install and maintain them outside > > the packaging system, and the debian packages in the Ubuntu LTS universe > > repository have old dependencies. Irm wants to uninstall php5 apache > > module and use php4. Maybe this isn't such a big deal, but looking to > > the future since this is a new server. Request tracker wants apache1, > > exim, and a whole page of perl modules. Neither of these are ideal to > > me as this is a multi-use webserver and I'm trying to consolidate > > servers so I don't want to limit myself. Sound like I'm just making it > > to hard as usual. > > If you run it under fastcgi instead of mod_perl you remove the apache > version dependencies. That probably doesn't help with the ubuntu/debian > package though but the only really hard part is getting all the perl > modules installed. > > > I'm thinking of VMware or I'm open to other alternatives, but the > > overriding feature I'm looking for is that it is easy to use, maintain > > and upgrade because I'd like to use it for the long term. Anyone have > > something that works for them in such a scenario? > > I've been hoping someone would build a downloadable vmware appliance. > Meanwhile I'm using a hand-installed version from these instructions: > http://wiki.bestpractical.com/index.cgi?RHEL4InstallGuide > on the EL (centos-based) version of k12ltsp. It runs as a virtual > host with fastcgi and doesn't bother any of the other vhosts or > require a special apache. > > If you were going to dedicate a box or run under vmware, I'd probably > go with the RPM-installed mod_perl version here instead: > http://wiki.bestpractical.com/index.cgi?RPMInstall From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Nov 15 16:52:26 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:52:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: In house youtube type thing? Message-ID: <35716BD0-B3E7-40C9-8B98-C1CE542A33A1@inlandlakes.org> This isn't K12LTSP specific, but my "cutting edge" classroom wants to use their K12LTSP server to import video from their digital camcorder, and post the classroom videos (poem readings, etc) to their website. Does anyone know of an in-house LAMP type package for converting and hosting video? Ideally it would work like youtube, google video, etc, so that it would easily play for parents at home embedded into the pages. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ericbrow at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 16:59:48 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:59:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: In house youtube type thing? In-Reply-To: <35716BD0-B3E7-40C9-8B98-C1CE542A33A1@inlandlakes.org> References: <35716BD0-B3E7-40C9-8B98-C1CE542A33A1@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Funny you should ask at this time. I had considered doing something similar very recently. In the end, I decided to let YouTube consume the bandwidth since they're set up for it. I created an account in YouTube, and then I post links to our videos on a personal site, rather than having someone remember the links. Our network here is not what it should, and I didn't want to turn users off waiting for content to be delivered. I'm not sure if it works for video, but I use a FOSS program at home to share music with my children called netjuke, which can be found at sourceforge. It works great for audio files. If you're curious, you're welcome to check out links to our videos at http://www.keokukhigh.net. My students put a lot of work into the videos. Good luck, Eric On 11/15/06, Shawn Powers wrote: > This isn't K12LTSP specific, but my "cutting edge" classroom wants to use > their K12LTSP server to import video from their digital camcorder, and post > the classroom videos (poem readings, etc) to their website. > > Does anyone know of an in-house LAMP type package for converting and hosting > video? Ideally it would work like youtube, google video, etc, so that it > would easily play for parents at home embedded into the pages. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 15 18:10:12 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:10:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Ticket tracker In-Reply-To: <200611151831.07213.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> References: <455A0DDD.70806@physics.isu.edu> <1163532534.6002.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <200611151831.07213.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <1163614213.15108.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 18:31 +0200, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > try using creator.zoho.com > they have many online ajax applications. including ticket tracker, online word > proccesor, spread sheet, presentations... Has anyone looked at trac (http://trac.edgewall.org/)? Seems to be in the fedora repositories and maintained. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lists.john at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 18:10:37 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:10:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] What is the limitations of free nx compared to nx server. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2be970b50611151010xf36ab22pb80ca4ff38810fbd@mail.gmail.com> HI Glenn, Did you ever get this up and running? I'd be interested in hearing how its working, whether you liked it or not, problems etc? Thanks! John On 10/30/06, Glenn Arnold wrote: > > Well, one reason I want to do this with NX client is to keep the > consentience of office programs. Also, NX client compress X over sshwhich improves performance and security over dialup and broadband. The > students use what ever comes with their pc from computer manufacturer, so I > have to fight with Corel, Microsoft Works, and other word processing > programs. Plus, there is no confusion where the student saves his work > floppy, pen drive, or home drive. Then I do not have to deal with bad > floppies and pen drives. Another thing using the NX client might help a > student if his computer is infected with a lot of virus or spyware. The > NX Client might run good enough to allow him to work on school projects were > the student might not be able to run a word processor or spreadsheet program > in the computers current infected state. My biggest concern is someone > compromising a student account using the terminal server to explorer the > network for more targets to hack. That is one thing I would have to > minimize before letting students connect from home. > > > > -Glenn > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Ramon [mailto:ramonklown at pop.com.br] > *Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2006 9:19 AM > *To:* Support list for open source software in schools. > *Cc:* Support list for open source software in schools. > *Subject:* RE: [K12OSN] What is the limitations of free nx compared to nx > server. > > > > Actually the acess to files from outside the school should be made through > a website or a webdav. Providing a freenx account wouldn't do any good to > your bandwidth. > > Best, > > Ramon Lima > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for the info Theo! 200 sessions is more than enough for my > needs. > > Thanks > -Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Theo Turner [mailto:Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com] > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 5:24 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] What is the limitations of free nx compared to nx > server. > > Looking in the config file the default limit is 200, but this must also > be hardware dependant as to whether the machine can cope with this many. > I am considering the idea of allowing remote access in using NX as well. > > Theo > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Glenn Arnold > Sent: 30 October 2006 05:01 > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] What is the limitations of free nx compared to nx > server. > > I have installed freenx on K12LTSP 5.0 and would like to know is there > any limitations on how many concurrent users with the fedora 5 version > of freenx? I know nomachine's version of freenx it only allows for two > concurrent session with their freenx server. Does anybody allow students > to remote into the ltsp server from their home using nomachine client? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then the GLPI has built into the program the ability to import all the machines and inventory from ocs reports. Mark Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 18:31 +0200, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > >> try using creator.zoho.com >> they have many online ajax applications. including ticket tracker, online word >> proccesor, spread sheet, presentations... >> > > Has anyone looked at trac (http://trac.edgewall.org/)? Seems to be in > the fedora repositories and maintained. > > -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Nov 15 19:39:42 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:39:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd problems Message-ID: Greetings from west Texas Can anybody help me find a way to re-install the dhcpd service in a (RH 5.0.32V) K12ltsp server? I've tried everything I know to make the service active again (power failure result), and all is well but the 30 student thin-client lab... I've even contemplated a complete re-install, but there are wiser and more knowlegdable colleagues out there... HELP! Cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From lists.john at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 19:44:11 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:44:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp/OO: how to have users save .doc .xls .ppt by default ?? Message-ID: <2be970b50611151144t561713fbo170b8afa481ff6c3@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I thought this had come up before, but now I can't find it in the archives. I want all of my ltsp users to save as .doc .xls .ppt by default. The question I present to you is: how is this done? I am running Ubuntu LTS 6.06, LTSP 4.2 Thanks in advance for your ideas! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 15 20:09:28 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:09:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455B73F8.1040004@maltzen.net> Please elaborate: The dhcpd package is still installed, correct? So, re-installation isn't really necessary, correct? Can you start the dhcp daemon? Do you see any errors in /var/log/messages? Etc. Petre ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Greetings from west Texas > > Can anybody help me find a way to re-install the dhcpd service in a (RH > 5.0.32V) K12ltsp server? > I've tried everything I know to make the service active again (power > failure result), and all is well but the 30 student thin-client lab... > I've even contemplated a complete re-install, but there are wiser and > more knowlegdable colleagues out there... HELP! > Cheers > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > http://links.episd.org/ > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From william at fragakis.com Wed Nov 15 20:24:15 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:24:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote In-Reply-To: <20061115170021.62B6F738B0@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061115170021.62B6F738B0@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1163622255.26886.58.camel@server.ltsp> John, i810s do work. I think we have a bunch of them running. Of course, the NTavo will be easier straight out of the box assuming the 6020P isn't much different than the 6010P I'm using right now. Silly question. It appears that the modules are being loaded. Have you enabled sound on the clients in preferences and made sure that under Volume Control, you haven't muted something? If your i810s aren't working or recognized, stick these into your lts.conf SMODULE_01 = i810_audio.o SMODULE_02 = ac97_codec.o we have IBM R41 laptops using i810 chipsets up as clients and sound works fine. I feel like I've seen a number of other clients boot up with i810s recognized and had sound. Regards, William On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 12:00 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:09:42 -0600 (CST) > From: Barry R Cisna > Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote > sound? > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <50053.127.0.0.1.1163542182.squirrel at server1> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi John, > > there's your problem with your intel i810 sound. I know even when > installing Winderz,,on this chipset if you dont install the > proprietary > Intel chipset software peice the onboard sound& NIC etc,will never > work:(. > Ditch this client for now and try your Ntavo box, the realtek > soundchip > should initialize correctly at bootup. From milanofabio at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 20:57:19 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:57:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta5 close to Final? Message-ID: <35c1344c0611151257n6e8e043ag75e2bfaa2f837eb3@mail.gmail.com> I was wondering how close FC6 Beta5 is to being final If I install Beta5 now, is it simply a yum update to go from Beta5 to the final release. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 15 23:05:11 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:05:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta5 close to Final? In-Reply-To: <35c1344c0611151257n6e8e043ag75e2bfaa2f837eb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <35c1344c0611151257n6e8e043ag75e2bfaa2f837eb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455B9D27.5030901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Fabio Milano wrote: > I was wondering how close FC6 Beta5 is to being final Hopefully very close. It would be even closer if I was not the only person doing testing ;-) > If I install Beta5 now, is it simply a yum update to go from Beta5 to > the final release. Yes, that will be the case. -Eric From milanofabio at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 23:21:05 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:21:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta5 close to Final? In-Reply-To: <455B9D27.5030901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <35c1344c0611151257n6e8e043ag75e2bfaa2f837eb3@mail.gmail.com> <455B9D27.5030901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <35c1344c0611151521o4916dd14ya90d3f039b0d7805@mail.gmail.com> I will be more than willing to help with any testing. I will be doing an install with the following config: - Software RAID 1 with spare and monitoring - UPS APCsmart - Custom lockdown desktop for users (gonna try Gnome, but might just use ICEW instead) - TeacherTool - Crossover Office Server Edition (worth a try) - Different SSH port - Clients will be VIA EPIA boards If there is anything specific you want me to test let me know! Server Spec: Intel S5000vsa and Xeon Woodcrest - Fabs On 11/15/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > Fabio Milano wrote: > > I was wondering how close FC6 Beta5 is to being final > > Hopefully very close. It would be even closer if I was not the only > person doing testing ;-) > > > If I install Beta5 now, is it simply a yum update to go from Beta5 to > > the final release. > > Yes, that will be the case. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 23:23:37 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:23:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote In-Reply-To: <1163622255.26886.58.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20061115170021.62B6F738B0@hormel.redhat.com> <1163622255.26886.58.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <2be970b50611151523s280fecd7if604d8670c8beeb6@mail.gmail.com> Thanks William, I've set aside my IPAQ for know and am concentrating on the NTAVO 6020A. I've made a tiny bit of progress and I am going to post that next. I appreciate the tip, and once I've got the 6020A working, I'll return to the IPAQ. John On 11/15/06, William Fragakis wrote: > > John, > > i810s do work. I think we have a bunch of them running. > > Of course, the NTavo will be easier straight out of the box assuming the > 6020P isn't much different than the 6010P I'm using right now. > > Silly question. It appears that the modules are being loaded. Have you > enabled sound on the clients in preferences and made sure that under > Volume Control, you haven't muted something? > > If your i810s aren't working or recognized, stick these into your > lts.conf > > SMODULE_01 = i810_audio.o > SMODULE_02 = ac97_codec.o > > we have IBM R41 laptops using i810 chipsets up as clients and sound > works fine. I feel like I've seen a number of other clients boot up with > i810s recognized and had sound. > > Regards, > William > > On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 12:00 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:09:42 -0600 (CST) > > From: Barry R Cisna > > Subject: [K12OSN] Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote > > sound? > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Message-ID: <50053.127.0.0.1.1163542182.squirrel at server1> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Hi John, > > > > there's your problem with your intel i810 sound. I know even when > > installing Winderz,,on this chipset if you dont install the > > proprietary > > Intel chipset software peice the onboard sound& NIC etc,will never > > work:(. > > Ditch this client for now and try your Ntavo box, the realtek > > soundchip > > should initialize correctly at bootup. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 23:46:21 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:46:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] A tiny bit of sucess! Was: Do anyone here REALLY understand LTSP and remote Message-ID: <2be970b50611151546n70befc68m9e390434337effe1@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, I finally made a little bit of progress and got the LTSP to see the NTAVO 6020A's RealTek soundcard. I figured out that I wasn't using true PXEboot, rather the onboard XDMCP client which wasn't using lts.conf for config. Once I figured that out, and enabled pxe boot by hitting delete at the boot prompt and configuring the lan client and bootrom, I got a true PXE boot. Sound still isn't working correctly but the clients dmesg gets me more information. The relevant portion is below. I don't know if this indicates a problem with ALSA or if the line reading "ac97_codec: AC97 codec, id: ALG96 (Unknown):" is what I should focus on. One annoyance is that after configuring pam to use winbind and pam_mount I can't log on to a gui on the machine or at a terminal so I can't just go in as root and look at System>Preferences>Sound to see if everything is set up correctly. Anyway here's what I got. My lts.conf file is below this dmesg output. Thanks to all of you for all of the great ideas and help you have extended! ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 11 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.1[B] -> Link [LNKB] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 PCI: VIA IRQ fixup for 0000:00:10.1, from 5 to 11 uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: UHCI Host Controller uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: irq 11, io base 0x0000d800 usb usb3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.2[C] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.2: UHCI Host Controller uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4 uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.2: irq 11, io base 0x0000dc00 usb usb4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice hub 4-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 4-0:1.0: 2 ports detected ohci_hcd: 2005 April 22 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI) usb 2-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice input: Logitech Optical USB Mouse as /class/input/input2 usbcore: registered new driver usbmouse drivers/usb/input/usbmouse.c: v1.6:USB HID Boot Protocol mouse driver usbcore: registered new driver usbkbd drivers/usb/input/usbkbd.c: :USB HID Boot Protocol keyboard driver usbcore: registered new driver hiddev usbcore: registered new driver usbhid drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver Via 686a/8233/8235 audio driver 1.9.1-ac4-2.5 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:11.5[C] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 via82cxxx: Six channel audio available PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:11.5 to 64 ac97_codec: AC97 codec, id: ALG96 (Unknown) via82cxxx: Codec rate locked at 48Khz via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xE400, IRQ 11 -accepting connections on port 16001 ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' ALSA lib conf.c3493:(snd_config_evalutate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: no such device ALSA lib conf.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: no such device ALSA lib confmisc.c.1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name ALSA lib conf.c.3493:(snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such device ALSA lib confg.c.3962:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No Such Device Alsa lib pcm.c:2099:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode Output of lts.conf: [Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.254 XSERVER = auto X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USE_XFS = N SCREEN_01 = shell # SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = shell SYSLOG_HOST = 192.168.0.254 SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = esd VOLUME = 75 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Thu Nov 16 00:13:21 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:13:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta5 close to Final? In-Reply-To: <455B9D27.5030901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <35c1344c0611151257n6e8e043ag75e2bfaa2f837eb3@mail.gmail.com> <455B9D27.5030901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20061115191321.b92990c7.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:05:11 -0800 Eric Harrison wrote: > Fabio Milano wrote: > > I was wondering how close FC6 Beta5 is to being final > > Hopefully very close. It would be even closer if I was not the only > person doing testing ;-) Eric, I'm running 4.2 update 3. I'm a home setup but I'd be happy to do some testing. Will a yum upgrade work and do I need to change any of the repositories? Thanks again for all your work! Jesse From robark at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 01:31:31 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:31:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Uninteruptable Power Supply UPS with Linux In-Reply-To: References: <824a5f7a0610161110kc64dac5p7add6c2ce352243a@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0610161204i7d16e33dx1cdd0ebcb7da20b1@mail.gmail.com> <1161054458.7862.229.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: Thought I would just thank the list for the help to setup my UPS. Today we had a power outage. One week after I setup my UPS. I got a 1500VA Back-UPS (not the expensive Smart ones). So I had to set the shutdown timeout in the conf file. Hadn't even gotten around to testing it yet. Worked like a charm doing a clean shutdown today . Talk about luck. BTW just wondering. Is there any benefit to using ext3 filesystem in a software RAID1? I know that ext3 is journalled but with a mirror what's the point if one of the drives completes a write but the other doesn't (due to power loss). Won't the array still be corrupted? Anyone with experience? On 10/16/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > On 10/16/06, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 13:04 -0600, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > > On 10/16/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you recommend usb over serial? > > > > > > The cheaper APCs don't do true serial communication (i.e., sending > > > data to the computer). Instead, they set certain signals (like CTS, > > > IIRC) to indicate their condition. > > > > It even more complicated than that. The different models transmit > > differing amounts of data. Whether the data port is serial or usb makes > > no difference. The Back-UPS vs the Smart-UPS have a large amount of > > functionality difference. The Backups is simpler and has only a timer > > function. Once it goes on battery, the timer starts. At the end of the > > timer, it send the shutdown command to the host. > > > > The smartups has much more of a command set. It supports battery > > condition testing and and can signal a power down when the battery falls > > > > below a certain level. More importantly, it can hold of on powering back > > up until the battery has reached a certain minimum runtime level. > > > > On my current install, we have Smart-UPS XL 3000VA RM 3U models that > > have both serial and USB connectors. The same data is on both ports. > > > > One nice thing about these (and all Linux systems can be setup to do > > this) is when the shutdown command is issued, the apcupsd can be told to > > > > also send it to a group of other machines. In my current case, there are > > several servers that run off the UPS in the rack. If the UPS is going > > down that powers the main login/NFS-/home machine, every other server > > will need to also shut down as they will have nothing they can do. If a > > UPS signals to a boot/app server the remaining app servers can stay up. > > > > So the UPS is told power back up when the AC as back and the batteries > > are back up to enough time to allow a partially booted system to shut > > down gracefully. The first box up is the NFS server. It will then tickle > > the other machines with Wake-on LAN calls (as soon as I can finish that > > process). > > > > Wow nice info James. Thanks. I really like the fact that one box can tell > the others to shutdown also. Is this done by setting up ssh keys? There must > be some kind of auth required. > > > > > > > USB allows for real communication with the host computer, and I > > > _believe_ that means real data gets sent to that host. For example, > > > here's the output of "apcaccess" on my workstation: > > > > > > APC : 001,034,0890 > > > DATE : Mon Oct 16 12:59:50 MDT 2006 > > > HOSTNAME : source-server.prosocial.local > > > RELEASE : 3.12.4 > > > VERSION : 3.12.4 (19 August 2006) redhat > > > UPSNAME : source-server.prosocial.local > > > CABLE : USB Cable > > > MODEL : Back-UPS NS 600 > > > UPSMODE : Stand Alone > > > STARTTIME: Fri Oct 13 13:05:46 MDT 2006 > > > STATUS : ONLINE > > > LINEV : 118.0 Volts > > > LOADPCT : 0.0 Percent Load Capacity > > > BCHARGE : 100.0 Percent > > > TIMELEFT : 42.8 Minutes > > > MBATTCHG : 5 Percent > > > MINTIMEL : 3 Minutes > > > MAXTIME : 0 Seconds > > > LOTRANS : 088.0 Volts > > > HITRANS : 139.0 Volts > > > ALARMDEL : Always > > > BATTV : 13.5 Volts > > > LASTXFER : Low line voltage > > > NUMXFERS : 0 > > > TONBATT : 0 seconds > > > CUMONBATT: 0 seconds > > > XOFFBATT : N/A > > > STATFLAG : 0x07000008 Status Flag > > > MANDATE : 2005-12-26 > > > SERIALNO : 3B0601X00177 > > > BATTDATE : 2000-00-00 > > > NOMBATTV : 12.0 > > > FIRMWARE : 18.w1 .D USB FW:w1 > > > APCMODEL : Back-UPS NS 600 > > > END APC : Mon Oct 16 12:59:51 MDT 2006 > > > > > > > > > I'm reasonably certain a serial signal-only connection can't convey > > > that much information to the host (I've no great emotional stake in > > > this, and won't complain if somebody can post similar output from a > > > signal-only UPS). > > > > > > > > > > > I am using the CentOS 4 based k12ltsp. > > > > > > RPMs are available for RHEL3 at the apcupsd site > > > ( > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=54413&package_id=73150 > > ). > > > I think that's the closest match to CentOS 4 (being directly descended > > > > > from RHEL4). > > > > > > Calvin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > -- > > James P. Kinney III > > CEO & Director of Engineering > > Local Net Solutions,LLC > > 770-493-8244 > > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu Nov 16 01:41:43 2006 From: glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:41:43 -0500 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20Uninteruptable=20Powe?= =?UTF-8?Q?r=20Supply=20UPS=20with=20Linux?= Message-ID: <455B7B87020000BB000015B5@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> >From my limited experience, either the second disk gets all of the information in it's journal and will eventually get back in synch with the first disk or the information did not all get into the journal and the disk will be out of synch. From this second scenario, either the miror gets in synch by itself or the second disk gets kicked out of the array and you wil have to manually resynch "rebuild" the second disk. Just a simple one line command. Guy Lessard Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais Qu?bec, Canada >>> "Robert Arkiletian" 15/11/06 20:31 >>> Thought I would just thank the list for the help to setup my UPS. Today we had a power outage. One week after I setup my UPS. I got a 1500VA Back-UPS (not the expensive Smart ones). So I had to set the shutdown timeout in the conf file. Hadn't even gotten around to testing it yet. Worked like a charm doing a clean shutdown today . Talk about luck. BTW just wondering. Is there any benefit to using ext3 filesystem in a software RAID1? I know that ext3 is journalled but with a mirror what's the point if one of the drives completes a write but the other doesn't (due to power loss). Won't the array still be corrupted? Anyone with experience? On 10/16/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > On 10/16/06, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 13:04 -0600, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > > On 10/16/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you recommend usb over serial? > > > > > > The cheaper APCs don't do true serial communication (i.e., sending > > > data to the computer). Instead, they set certain signals (like CTS, > > > IIRC) to indicate their condition. > > > > It even more complicated than that. The different models transmit > > differing amounts of data. Whether the data port is serial or usb makes > > no difference. The Back-UPS vs the Smart-UPS have a large amount of > > functionality difference. The Backups is simpler and has only a timer > > function. Once it goes on battery, the timer starts. At the end of the > > timer, it send the shutdown command to the host. > > > > The smartups has much more of a command set. It supports battery > > condition testing and and can signal a power down when the battery falls > > > > below a certain level. More importantly, it can hold of on powering back > > up until the battery has reached a certain minimum runtime level. > > > > On my current install, we have Smart-UPS XL 3000VA RM 3U models that > > have both serial and USB connectors. The same data is on both ports. > > > > One nice thing about these (and all Linux systems can be setup to do > > this) is when the shutdown command is issued, the apcupsd can be told to > > > > also send it to a group of other machines. In my current case, there are > > several servers that run off the UPS in the rack. If the UPS is going > > down that powers the main login/NFS-/home machine, every other server > > will need to also shut down as they will have nothing they can do. If a > > UPS signals to a boot/app server the remaining app servers can stay up. > > > > So the UPS is told power back up when the AC as back and the batteries > > are back up to enough time to allow a partially booted system to shut > > down gracefully. The first box up is the NFS server. It will then tickle > > the other machines with Wake-on LAN calls (as soon as I can finish that > > process). > > > > Wow nice info James. Thanks. I really like the fact that one box can tell > the others to shutdown also. Is this done by setting up ssh keys? There must > be some kind of auth required. > > > > > > > USB allows for real communication with the host computer, and I > > > _believe_ that means real data gets sent to that host. For example, > > > here's the output of "apcaccess" on my workstation: > > > > > > APC : 001,034,0890 > > > DATE : Mon Oct 16 12:59:50 MDT 2006 > > > HOSTNAME : source-server.prosocial.local > > > RE : source-server.prosocial.local > > > CABLE : USB Cable > > > MODEL : Back-UPS NS 600 > > > UPSMODE : Stand Alone > > > STARTTIME: Fri Oct 13 13:05:46 MDT 2006 > > > STATUS : ONLINE > > > LINEV : 118.0 Volts > > > LOADPCT : 0.0 Percent Load Capacity > > > BCHARGE : 100.0 Percent > > > TIMELEFT : 42.8 Minutes > > > MBATTCHG : 5 Percent > > > MINTIMEL : 3 Minutes > > > MAXTIME : 0 Seconds > > > LOTRANS : 088.0 Volts > > > HITRANS : 139.0 Volts > > > ALARMDEL : Always > > > BATTV : 13.5 Volts > > > LASTXFER : Low line voltage > > > NUMXFERS : 0 > > > TONBATT : 0 seconds > > > CUMONBATT: 0 seconds > > > XOFFBATT : N/A > > > STATFLAG : 0x07000008 Status Flag > > > MANDATE : 2005-12-26 > > > SERIALNO : 3B0601X00177 > > > BATTDATE : 2000-00-00 > > > NOMBATTV : 12.0 > > > FIRMWARE : 18.w1 .D USB FW:w1 > > > APCMODEL : Back-UPS NS 600 > > > END APC : Mon Oct 16 12:59:51 MDT 2006 > > > > > > > > > I'm reasonably certain a serial signal-only connection can't convey > > > that much information to the host (I've no great emotional stake in > > > this, and won't complain if somebody can post similar output from a > > > signal-only UPS). > > > > > > > > > > > I am using the CentOS 4 based k12ltsp. > > > > > > RPMs are available for RHEL3 at the apcupsd site > > > ( > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=54413&package_id=73150 > > ). > > > I think that's the closest match to CentOS 4 (being directly descended > > > > > from RHEL4). > > > > > > Calvin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > -- > > James P. Kinney III > > CEO & Director of Engineering > > Local Net Solutions,LLC > > 770-493-8244 > > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Nov 16 02:45:47 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:45:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What's coming in edubuntu...report from UDS Mtn View Message-ID: Hi all! Chuck Liebow asked about what happened at UDS Mountain View. So...I figured I'd let you know! Rather than write a very long email here....I'll simply direct you to my blog post at http://dtrask.wordpress.com where I explained everything I know in detail. One thing I can say is that Edubuntu has come of age....and the next release is going to be awesome! Now...don't feel like you'll be dissing Eric if you decide to try and use Edubuntu....after all...he was there at Mtn. View....actively participating in the development of Edubuntu. We are all one big happy family....it's OK. I won't tell you what he runs on his laptop....although he had to get a new laptop in SF....but I'll let him tell you why ;-) I would also like to encourage many of you to also join the Edubuntu list....as there are many folks over there who are going to need our help with their "new" Edubuntu deployments. I'm on both lists and help out whenever I can. So pitch in if you can. More info on the Edubuntu site. Feel free to comment on the contents of my blog article...let's discuss the awesome stuff that's on the way! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ahodson at elp.rr.com Thu Nov 16 02:40:39 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:40:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd problems In-Reply-To: <455B73F8.1040004@maltzen.net> References: <455B73F8.1040004@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1163644839.3781.18.camel@HodsonNet1> I should have called this post "How do I recover from a dhcpd failure?" and hope to build a step by step 'What to check for' wiki help file, or one called 'how to prevent dhcpd failure' - it's exasperating! dhcpd was installed, but 'service dhcpd start' would yield 'failed' - after many attempts at tweaking the greatly changed dhpcd.config file, I decided to use yumex to remove 'dhcp' and 'dhcp-ltsp-config' and re-install them via yumex install. The service is now running, and 'chkconfig --level 2345 dhcpd on' took care of starting it, but the thin clients are still generating a 'no dhcp' error. Tried a cross over cable to eliminate possible switch malfunctions to no avail. I did not have a chance to look at the /var/log/messages, but if I did, what info would help me? Thanks Petre for all you do to help the group. cheers alan -=o=- On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 14:09 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > Please elaborate: The dhcpd package is still installed, correct? So, re-installation > isn't really necessary, correct? Can you start the dhcp daemon? Do you see any errors > in /var/log/messages? Etc. > > Petre > > ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > > Greetings from west Texas > > > > Can anybody help me find a way to re-install the dhcpd service in a (RH > > 5.0.32V) K12ltsp server? > > I've tried everything I know to make the service active again (power > > failure result), and all is well but the 30 student thin-client lab... > > I've even contemplated a complete re-install, but there are wiser and > > more knowlegdable colleagues out there... HELP! > > Cheers > > Alan Hodson > > El Paso ISD, TX > > http://links.episd.org/ > > -=o=- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 02:54:33 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:54:33 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Problem with booting Compaq Deskpro client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Should I try new memory?? On 15/11/06, David Knight wrote: > > I have a heap of Compaq SF Deskpros working fine. I have just found one > with an unusual problem. > After flashing the bios to get PXE booting to work everything seemed fine > until the last step when I get this error message: > > Fatal server error: > xf86MapVidMem: Could not map framebuffer )0x41000000,0x400000) (Cannot > allocate memory) > > Can anyone help me? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karisue at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 03:47:51 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:47:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What's coming in edubuntu...report from UDS Mtn View In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey David, Great post. Sounds like a cool conference! I am really looking forward to Fiesty. I inherited a Linux server at my school 2 years ago. I knew nothing about linux -- now I'm in love. I just wish I had more time to learn the ins and outs. Example: I posted a couple of days ago about my corrupted LDAP database that resulted from the school losing electricity. Well, it was worse than that. There must have been some kind of power surge b/c I lost my backups and essentially have to start over on this server. I teach math at the community college a couple nights a week -- I was sad b/c I had to leave that server today to go to my "other job." Even though it's down and no one can login, learning about samba, ldap, and the smbldap script is really fascinating. I know I'll figure it all out. It's addictive. Linux, when you get into it, is such a cool choice for schools. I love open source for schools -- it's great to have a solution that is bullet-proof, has good support, and is essentially free. And the more schools participate in its development, advancement, and use, the more products like Edubuntu and its community will improve. I am not a coder, either. I have never written more than small scripts for websites and dos bat files and such. I don't even have a computer background. I just wish there was more I could do as a non-developer to support the linux community, particularly that sub-culture that supports schools. ~kari (3-8 religion teacher and sysadmin -- how's THAT for a combination?) On 11/15/06, David Trask wrote: > > Hi all! > > Chuck Liebow asked about what happened at UDS Mountain View. So...I > figured I'd let you know! Rather than write a very long email > here....I'll simply direct you to my blog post at > http://dtrask.wordpress.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Nov 16 04:46:50 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:46:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What's coming in edubuntu...report from UDS Mtn View In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >I am not a coder, either. I have never written more than small scripts >for websites and dos bat files and such. I don't even have a computer >background. I just wish there was more I could do as a non-developer to >support the linux community, particularly that sub-culture that supports >schools. Just keep doin' whatcha' doin' and spread the word! People like you ROCK! We need even more :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Nov 16 06:53:23 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:53:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] A tiny bit of sucess! Was: Do anyone here REALLY, understand LTSP and remote Message-ID: <455C0AE3.9020709@snarlnet.com> Can I ask a stupid question? Are you trying out sound on the client by logging in as root or a regular user? From what I understand you can't do it as root. ck >Message: 12 >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:46:21 -0800 >From: "john " >Subject: [K12OSN] A tiny bit of sucess! Was: Do anyone here REALLY > understand LTSP and remote >To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >Message-ID: > <2be970b50611151546n70befc68m9e390434337effe1 at mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hello all, > >I finally made a little bit of progress and got the LTSP to see the NTAVO >6020A's RealTek soundcard. I figured out that I wasn't using true PXEboot, >rather the onboard XDMCP client which wasn't using lts.conf for config. Once >I figured that out, and enabled pxe boot by hitting delete at the boot >prompt and configuring the lan client and bootrom, I got a true PXE boot. >Sound still isn't working correctly but the clients dmesg gets me more >information. The relevant portion is below. I don't know if this indicates a >problem with ALSA or if the line reading "ac97_codec: AC97 codec, id: ALG96 >(Unknown):" is what I should focus on. > >One annoyance is that after configuring pam to use winbind and pam_mount I >can't log on to a gui on the machine or at a terminal so I can't just go in >as root and look at System>Preferences>Sound to see if everything is set up >correctly. > >Anyway here's what I got. My lts.conf file is below this dmesg output. >Thanks to all of you for all of the great ideas and help you have extended! > >ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 11 >ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.1[B] -> Link [LNKB] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> >IRQ 11 >PCI: VIA IRQ fixup for 0000:00:10.1, from 5 to 11 >uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: UHCI Host Controller >uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 >uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: irq 11, io base 0x0000d800 >usb usb3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice >hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found >hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected >ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.2[C] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> >IRQ 11 >uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.2: UHCI Host Controller >uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4 >uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.2: irq 11, io base 0x0000dc00 >usb usb4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice >hub 4-0:1.0: USB hub found >hub 4-0:1.0: 2 ports detected >ohci_hcd: 2005 April 22 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI) >usb 2-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 >usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice >input: Logitech Optical USB Mouse as /class/input/input2 >usbcore: registered new driver usbmouse >drivers/usb/input/usbmouse.c: v1.6:USB HID Boot Protocol mouse driver >usbcore: registered new driver usbkbd >drivers/usb/input/usbkbd.c: :USB HID Boot Protocol keyboard driver >usbcore: registered new driver hiddev >usbcore: registered new driver usbhid >drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver >Via 686a/8233/8235 audio driver 1.9.1-ac4-2.5 >ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:11.5[C] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> >IRQ 11 >via82cxxx: Six channel audio available >PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:11.5 to 64 >ac97_codec: AC97 codec, id: ALG96 (Unknown) >via82cxxx: Codec rate locked at 48Khz >via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xE400, IRQ 11 >-accepting connections on port 16001 >ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' >ALSA lib conf.c3493:(snd_config_evalutate) function snd_func_card_driver >returned error: no such device >ALSA lib conf.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings >ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat >returned error: no such device >ALSA lib confmisc.c.1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name >ALSA lib conf.c.3493:(snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned >error: No such device >ALSA lib confg.c.3962:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No Such Device >Alsa lib pcm.c:2099:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default >rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode > > >Output of lts.conf: > > >[Default] > SERVER = 192.168.0.254 > XSERVER = auto > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > USE_XFS = N > SCREEN_01 = shell ># SCREEN_01 = startx > SCREEN_02 = shell >SYSLOG_HOST = 192.168.0.254 >SOUND = Y >SOUND_DAEMON = esd >VOLUME = 75 >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20061115/4f5bf1f1/attachment.html > >------------------------------ > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 16 06:53:34 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:53:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] What's coming in edubuntu...report from UDS Mtn View In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455C0AEE.5080208@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David Trask wrote: > Hi all! > > Chuck Liebow asked about what happened at UDS Mountain View. > So...I > figured I'd let you know! Rather than write a very long email > here....I'll simply direct you to my blog post at > http://dtrask.wordpress.com where I explained everything I know in detail. > One thing I can say is that Edubuntu has come of age....and the next > release is going to be awesome! Now...don't feel like you'll be dissing > Eric if you decide to try and use Edubuntu....after all...he was there at > Mtn. View....actively participating in the development of Edubuntu. We > are all one big happy family....it's OK. Not only did I help, I also learned a new trick or two along the way ;-) The only thing I learned at UDS Mountain View that will be incorporated into K12LTSP 6.0 is breaking up the education applications into two meta packages (one for younger kids, one for older kids). Everything else I'll include in the "muekow" K12LTSP build I've been working on (after I finish K12LTSP 6.0, of course). K12LTSP development stuff from UDS-MV: * made a lot of changes to my "muekow" build to jive with Edubuntu (still need to add LDM, but otherwise I'm pretty close) * ported ogra's rough draft of LTSP management gui to Fedora * I banged on Student Control Panel a little bit, it runs on Fedora but currently only works with LDM (which K12LTSP doesn't include as of yet). Should be easy to patch to work with LDM or XDMCP (the current K12LTSP method). * Pulseaudio by default -> the sound guys at UDS-MV say that this will greatly improve thin-client audio * probably more, but it's late and my brain is shutting down ;-) > I won't tell you what he runs on his laptop.... K12LTSP 6.0.0-64bit, of course! On a secondary partition, I have the latest Edubuntu installed. Last and least, I have a small WinXP partition. (I've even booted into XP once just to verify that it works ;-) > although he had to get a new laptop in SF....but I'll let > him tell you why ;-) As a general rule of thumb, laptops work better if you don't spill water on them... -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 16 07:08:25 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:08:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd problems In-Reply-To: <1163644839.3781.18.camel@HodsonNet1> References: <455B73F8.1040004@maltzen.net> <1163644839.3781.18.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: <455C0E69.7050901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Alan Hodson wrote: > I should have called this post "How do I recover from a dhcpd failure?" > and hope to build a step by step 'What to check for' wiki help file, or > one called 'how to prevent dhcpd failure' - it's exasperating! > > dhcpd was installed, but 'service dhcpd start' would yield 'failed' - > after many attempts at tweaking the greatly changed dhpcd.config file, I > decided to use yumex to remove 'dhcp' and 'dhcp-ltsp-config' and > re-install them via yumex install. The service is now running, and > 'chkconfig --level 2345 dhcpd on' took care of starting it, but the thin > clients are still generating a 'no dhcp' error. Tried a cross over cable > to eliminate possible switch malfunctions to no avail. I did not have a > chance to look at the /var/log/messages, but if I did, what info would > help me? > > Thanks Petre for all you do to help the group. > > cheers > alan > -=o=- Here is a quick run-down of how DHCP works in K12LTSP (verisons 5 and 6) * You need the dhcpd and dhcp-ltsp-config packages installed (as you noted) * The dhcp-ltsp-config package installs the config file as "/etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf" and edits /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd to point to that file: DHCPDARGS=" -cf /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf" * the default /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf file expects the default K12LTSP installation configuration: - two network cards in the server - eth0 on the server has the IP address of 192.168.0.254 and netmask of 255.255.255.0 If you have changed from the defaults, you will need to edit this file to match your configuration. Let us know how you've deviated from the defaults and we should be able to double-check that your config file is correct. That's about it. NOTE: since you mention that you re-installed the dhcp-k12ltsp-conf package, your old config file was probably saved as /etc/dhcp-k12ltsp.conf.rpmsave NOTE#2: This is what /var/log/messages looks like when your IP address on eth0 does not jive with the IP ranges listed in /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth0 (10.10.100.7). > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth0. If this is not what > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: you want, please write a subnet declaration > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: to which interface eth0 is attached. ** > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: If you did not get this software from ftp.isc.org, please > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: get the latest from ftp.isc.org and install that before > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: requesting help. > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: If you did get this software from ftp.isc.org and have not > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: yet read the README, please read it before requesting help. > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: If you intend to request help from the dhcp-server at isc.org > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: mailing list, please read the section on the README about > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: submitting bug reports and requests for help. > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: Please do not under any circumstances send requests for > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: help directly to the authors of this software - please > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: send them to the appropriate mailing list as described in > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: the README file. > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: exiting. > Nov 15 23:05:04 server dhcpd: dhcpd startup failed -Eric > On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 14:09 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: >> Please elaborate: The dhcpd package is still installed, correct? So, re-installation >> isn't really necessary, correct? Can you start the dhcp daemon? Do you see any errors >> in /var/log/messages? Etc. >> >> Petre >> >> ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: >>> Greetings from west Texas >>> >>> Can anybody help me find a way to re-install the dhcpd service in a (RH >>> 5.0.32V) K12ltsp server? >>> I've tried everything I know to make the service active again (power >>> failure result), and all is well but the 30 student thin-client lab... >>> I've even contemplated a complete re-install, but there are wiser and >>> more knowlegdable colleagues out there... HELP! >>> Cheers >>> Alan Hodson >>> El Paso ISD, TX >>> http://links.episd.org/ >>> -=o=- From nadavkav at netvision.net.il Thu Nov 16 12:04:04 2006 From: nadavkav at netvision.net.il (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:04:04 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp/OO: how to have users save .doc .xls .ppt by =?utf-8?q?default=09=3F=3F?= In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611151144t561713fbo170b8afa481ff6c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611151144t561713fbo170b8afa481ff6c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611161404.04648.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> it's in the options-->load save-->General-->default file formats set each category ( example: writer saves document to .doc files ) On Wednesday 15 November 2006 21:44, john wrote: > Hi all, > > I thought this had come up before, but now I can't find it in the archives. > I want all of my ltsp users to save as .doc .xls .ppt by default. The > question I present to you is: how is this done? > > I am running Ubuntu LTS 6.06, LTSP 4.2 > > Thanks in advance for your ideas! > > John From petre at maltzen.net Thu Nov 16 14:50:52 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:50:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Problem with booting Compaq Deskpro client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455C7ACC.9080900@maltzen.net> Just to clarify, do you get this error when X tries to start or before? It looks like an X error. Assuming that's the case, you could try setting XSERVER = "vesa" in your lts.conf file. I've had some Compaqs that only seemed happy with that setting. Just a shot in the dark. Petre Krsnendu dasa wrote: > Should I try new memory?? > > On 15/11/06, *David Knight* > wrote: > > I have a heap of Compaq SF Deskpros working fine. I have just found > one with an unusual problem. > After flashing the bios to get PXE booting to work everything seemed > fine until the last step when I get this error message: > > Fatal server error: > xf86MapVidMem: Could not map framebuffer )0x41000000,0x400000) > (Cannot allocate memory) > > Can anyone help me? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 16 15:41:27 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:41:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd problems In-Reply-To: <455C0E69.7050901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <455B73F8.1040004@maltzen.net> <1163644839.3781.18.camel@HodsonNet1> <455C0E69.7050901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20061116153703.M37078@winonacotter.org> > If you have changed from the defaults, you will need to edit this > file to match your configuration. Let us know how you've deviated > from the defaults and we should be able to double-check that your > config file is correct. I think that posting your dhcp config files along with your ifcfg-ethx network-scripts and a statement of which interface each network is connected to would be plenty of information for someone to find out what is wrong here. Not a bad idea to actually check MAC addresses to verify which card each network segement is on. I have had card detection flip flop on me before after updates and really throw confusion into the mix. I like to pop the case cover, look at the MAC physically printed on the NIC, then compare it to the actual ifcfg-ethx files to be certain I know which card was detected and what IP it is assigned. The best way in my opinion to know for sure. If you do that you can be sure the person looking over your config files has the best possible data to troubleshoot. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 16 16:06:35 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:06:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What's coming in edubuntu...report from UDS Mtn View In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061116155920.M22810@winonacotter.org> > site. Feel free to comment on the contents of my blog > article...let's discuss the awesome stuff that's on the way! :-) Hey Dave, thanks for the update. Very cool stuff on its way, and a lot of those things are requests I hear often from teachers. Good thing your invited along to give an excellent perspective. Thanks for your dedication. Hopefully I'll be able to make it to Boston this year so you can fill me in personally about what is going on.....of course you'll have another chance to head out this way to 2nd annual North Central Linux Symposium :-) I hear planning is already under way! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Nov 16 16:27:59 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:27:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] What's coming in edubuntu...report from UDS Mtn View In-Reply-To: <20061116155920.M22810@winonacotter.org> References: <20061116155920.M22810@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <46226.169.244.70.147.1163694479.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Jim: NO linuxworld Boston..... From karisue at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 16:35:55 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:35:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What's coming in edubuntu...report from UDS Mtn View In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, what is the Edubuntu list? ~kari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 16:36:53 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:36:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp/OO: how to have users save .doc .xls .ppt by default ?? In-Reply-To: <200611161404.04648.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> References: <2be970b50611151144t561713fbo170b8afa481ff6c3@mail.gmail.com> <200611161404.04648.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <2be970b50611160836t18f04b89ya03f52e1bf42bb8b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Nadav, Thanks, I should have said that I want to do this for ALL users automatically. Sorry to be unclear about my question and thanks for your response. John On 11/16/06, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > it's in the options-->load save-->General-->default file formats > set each category ( example: writer saves document to .doc files ) > > On Wednesday 15 November 2006 21:44, john wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I thought this had come up before, but now I can't find it in the > archives. > > I want all of my ltsp users to save as .doc .xls .ppt by default. The > > question I present to you is: how is this done? > > > > I am running Ubuntu LTS 6.06, LTSP 4.2 > > > > Thanks in advance for your ideas! > > > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 16:36:05 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:36:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp/OO: how to set ALL users to save .doc .xls .ppt by default ?? Message-ID: <2be970b50611160836s16ceff34lc658ee5c2492300b@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I thought this had come up before, and in fact I am pretty sure that k12ltsp has a little tool for this, but I can't find anything in the Archives. I want ALL of my ltsp users to save as .doc .ppt .xls by default. Since I am running Ubuntu LTS 6.06 with LTSP 4.2 I guess I can't take advantage of the K12 scripts?? Thanks for your ideas! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Nov 16 16:40:19 2006 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:40:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server Message-ID: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Hello all! I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 running with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no local user accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the pam_mount to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under /home/user/X: everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the windows share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user cannot access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it list the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i followed the instructions from the following site. please help, the students at my school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot access the windows home folder. http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal-services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html Thank you, Daniel Kuecker Technology Coordinator Shenandoah Community Schools (712) 246-1581 From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 16:43:44 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:43:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] A tiny bit of sucess! Was: Do anyone here REALLY, understand LTSP and remote In-Reply-To: <455C0AE3.9020709@snarlnet.com> References: <455C0AE3.9020709@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50611160843o7a3b185dv6e053a82a96da154@mail.gmail.com> Hi Karl, Not stupid. Thanks for asking! I am logging in as a regular user when trying out sound. John On 11/15/06, Carl Keil wrote: > > Can I ask a stupid question? Are you trying out sound on the client by > logging in as root or a regular user? From what I understand you can't > do it as root. > > ck > > >Message: 12 > >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:46:21 -0800 > >From: "john " > >Subject: [K12OSN] A tiny bit of sucess! Was: Do anyone here REALLY > > understand LTSP and remote > >To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > >Message-ID: > > <2be970b50611151546n70befc68m9e390434337effe1 at mail.gmail.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Hello all, > > > >I finally made a little bit of progress and got the LTSP to see the NTAVO > >6020A's RealTek soundcard. I figured out that I wasn't using true > PXEboot, > >rather the onboard XDMCP client which wasn't using lts.conf for config. > Once > >I figured that out, and enabled pxe boot by hitting delete at the boot > >prompt and configuring the lan client and bootrom, I got a true PXE boot. > >Sound still isn't working correctly but the clients dmesg gets me more > >information. The relevant portion is below. I don't know if this > indicates a > >problem with ALSA or if the line reading "ac97_codec: AC97 codec, id: > ALG96 > >(Unknown):" is what I should focus on. > > > >One annoyance is that after configuring pam to use winbind and pam_mount > I > >can't log on to a gui on the machine or at a terminal so I can't just go > in > >as root and look at System>Preferences>Sound to see if everything is set > up > >correctly. > > > >Anyway here's what I got. My lts.conf file is below this dmesg output. > >Thanks to all of you for all of the great ideas and help you have > extended! > > > >ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 11 > >ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.1[B] -> Link [LNKB] -> GSI 11 (level, low) > -> > >IRQ 11 > >PCI: VIA IRQ fixup for 0000:00:10.1, from 5 to 11 > >uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: UHCI Host Controller > >uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 > >uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: irq 11, io base 0x0000d800 > >usb usb3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > >hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found > >hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected > >ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.2[C] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 11 (level, low) > -> > >IRQ 11 > >uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.2: UHCI Host Controller > >uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4 > >uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.2: irq 11, io base 0x0000dc00 > >usb usb4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > >hub 4-0:1.0: USB hub found > >hub 4-0:1.0: 2 ports detected > >ohci_hcd: 2005 April 22 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver > (PCI) > >usb 2-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 > >usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > >input: Logitech Optical USB Mouse as /class/input/input2 > >usbcore: registered new driver usbmouse > >drivers/usb/input/usbmouse.c: v1.6:USB HID Boot Protocol mouse driver > >usbcore: registered new driver usbkbd > >drivers/usb/input/usbkbd.c: :USB HID Boot Protocol keyboard driver > >usbcore: registered new driver hiddev > >usbcore: registered new driver usbhid > >drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver > >Via 686a/8233/8235 audio driver 1.9.1-ac4-2.5 > >ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:11.5[C] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 11 (level, low) > -> > >IRQ 11 > >via82cxxx: Six channel audio available > >PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:11.5 to 64 > >ac97_codec: AC97 codec, id: ALG96 (Unknown) > >via82cxxx: Codec rate locked at 48Khz > >via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xE400, IRQ 11 > >-accepting connections on port 16001 > >ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' > >ALSA lib conf.c3493:(snd_config_evalutate) function snd_func_card_driver > >returned error: no such device > >ALSA lib conf.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings > >ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat > >returned error: no such device > >ALSA lib confmisc.c.1072:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name > >ALSA lib conf.c.3493:(snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer > returned > >error: No such device > >ALSA lib confg.c.3962:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No Such Device > >Alsa lib pcm.c:2099:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default > >rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode > > > > > >Output of lts.conf: > > > > > >[Default] > > SERVER = 192.168.0.254 > > XSERVER = auto > > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" > > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > > USE_XFS = N > > SCREEN_01 = shell > ># SCREEN_01 = startx > > SCREEN_02 = shell > >SYSLOG_HOST = 192.168.0.254 > >SOUND = Y > >SOUND_DAEMON = esd > >VOLUME = 75 > >-------------- next part -------------- > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >URL: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20061115/4f5bf1f1/attachment.html > > > >------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 16:49:51 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:49:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <2be970b50611160849r39525102s1059b03ca3238c76@mail.gmail.com> Hi Daniel, You might want to take a look at the Troubleshooting section of the Samba Howto: http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/troubleshooting.html John On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > > Hello all! > I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 running > with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no local user > accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the pam_mount > to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under /home/user/X: > everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the windows > share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user cannot > access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it list > the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i followed the > instructions from the following site. please help, the students at my > school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot access the > windows home folder. > > > http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal-services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html > > > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246-1581 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Nov 16 17:51:37 2006 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:51:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the local unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? Thank you, Daniel Kuecker Technology Coordinator Shenandoah Community Schools (712) 246-1581 >>> "Daniel Kuecker" 11/16/06 10:40 AM >>> Hello all! I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 running with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no local user accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the pam_mount to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under /home/user/X: everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the windows share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user cannot access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it list the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i followed the instructions from the following site. please help, the students at my school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot access the windows home folder. http://math.univ- lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal- services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html Thank you, Daniel Kuecker Technology Coordinator Shenandoah Community Schools (712) 246- 1581 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 16 18:00:16 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:00:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <455CA730.3000607@mesd.k12.or.us> Daniel Kuecker wrote: > I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the local > unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? What's your /etc/nsswitch.conf look like? Do you have winbind in the passwd, group, and shadow lines? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 18:03:59 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:03:59 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Problem with booting Compaq Deskpro client In-Reply-To: <455C7ACC.9080900@maltzen.net> References: <455C7ACC.9080900@maltzen.net> Message-ID: it boots to shell fine. Only when startx problem starts. I'll try your suggestion. On 17/11/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Just to clarify, do you get this error when X tries to start or > before? It looks like > an X error. Assuming that's the case, you could try setting > > XSERVER = "vesa" > > in your lts.conf file. I've had some Compaqs that only seemed happy with > that setting. > Just a shot in the dark. > > Petre > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > Should I try new memory?? > > > > On 15/11/06, *David Knight* > > wrote: > > > > I have a heap of Compaq SF Deskpros working fine. I have just found > > one with an unusual problem. > > After flashing the bios to get PXE booting to work everything seemed > > fine until the last step when I get this error message: > > > > Fatal server error: > > xf86MapVidMem: Could not map framebuffer )0x41000000,0x400000) > > (Cannot allocate memory) > > > > Can anyone help me? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Nov 16 18:14:37 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:14:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] A tiny bit of sucess! Was: Do anyone here REALLY, understand LTSP and remote Message-ID: <60806.172.28.8.55.1163700877.squirrel@172.28.8.55> John, When you boot your Nvato, client box, ( with speakers turned all way up), do you ever hear a "pop" when the modules for soundcard are trying to load? This comes right after you see several lines of usb.... If you do definatley hear a pop you should get sound from this particular soundcard, then you have a permissions thing set wrong on /dev/dsp & or /dev/mixer. do "chmod 777 /dev/dsp" and "chmod 777 /dev/mixer" [these may not exist if your server has no soundcard.] and "chmod 777 /opt/ltsp/i386/dev/dsp" & "chmod 777 /opt/ltsp/i386/dev/mixer" open xmms ( you'll have to rpm this in ) click prefernces> then sound output,change to **esd**. select /usr/share/sounds for a directory to play sounds out of, so you have some various sound formats to play, see if you get sound "waves" in xmms. Also see if you get sound out of SYSTEM>PREFERENECES>MORE PREFERENCES>SOund Multimedia select change to esd on click "test". You should hear the syn sound. Let us know your findings,, Barry Cisna westcentral school From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Nov 16 18:30:21 2006 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:30:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <455CA730.3000607@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455CA730.3000607@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <455C59DD.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> my /etc/nsswitch.conf shows: passwd: files winbind shadow: files winbind group: files winbind Thank you, Daniel Kuecker Technology Coordinator Shenandoah Community Schools (712) 246-1581 >>> Dan Young 11/16/06 12:00 PM >>> Daniel Kuecker wrote: > I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the local > unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? What's your /etc/nsswitch.conf look like? Do you have winbind in the passwd, group, and shadow lines? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503- 257- 1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it Thu Nov 16 18:10:13 2006 From: ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it (antonello) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:10:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] server configuration Message-ID: <455CA985.2030901@yahoo.it> I'm going to set up a new k12 lab and looking for the new server configuration. Some dealers proposed a pentium dual-core setting. Server BIOS Pentium-4 serie SC5295/UP Chassis + M/B Intel Server, CPU Pentium4 925/3,0 dual core, 1Gb RAM, HDD 250Gb S/ATA-II serie WD Caviar, DVD ROM Server BIOS XEON serie 5000 dual core Chassis e M/B Intel Server, CPU XEON 3,0/5050 dual core, 1Gb RAM, HDD 250Gb S/ATA-II serie WD Caviar, DVD ROM (no problem with RAM: I'll raise it to 4Gb) As a matter of fact I tried to install linux on a dual-core desktop only once short time ago and it was really disappointing: any version of ubuntu (from 5.04 to 6.06) didn't even start, that was the same with the 64 bit version, and with the latest knoppix. The only distro I managed to install was a quite old knoppix (3.6) with 2.4 kernel. Has anyone out there already tried to set up a server with the CPUs above? Any problem? Is it worthwhile compared to a "normal" XEON (XEON 3,0 /Fsb 800 BOX)? TIA Antonello From william at fragakis.com Thu Nov 16 18:59:05 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:59:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A tiny bit of sucess! Was: Do anyone here REALLY, understand LTSP and remote In-Reply-To: <20061116170026.B8E307360D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061116170026.B8E307360D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1163703545.2772.2.camel@server.ltsp> root runs sound fine on a client using GNOME and ESD (lest someone read this in the future and think not) in Ver. 5 John, under Sustem -> Preferences -> Sound is "Enable Software Sound Mixing (ESD)" checked? regards, William On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 12:00 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:53:23 -0800 > From: Carl Keil > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] A tiny bit of sucess! Was: Do anyone here > REALLY, understand LTSP and remote > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <455C0AE3.9020709 at snarlnet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Can I ask a stupid question? Are you trying out sound on the client > by > logging in as root or a regular user? From what I understand you > can't > do it as root. > > ck > > >Message: 12 > >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:46:21 -0800 > >From: "john " > >Subject: [K12OSN] A tiny bit of sucess! Was: Do anyone here REALLY > > understand LTSP and remote > >To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > >Message-ID: > > <2be970b50611151546n70befc68m9e390434337effe1 at mail.gmail.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Hello all, > > > >I finally made a little bit of progress and got the LTSP to see the > NTAVO > >6020A's RealTek soundcard. I figured out that I wasn't using true > PXEboot, > >rather the onboard XDMCP client which wasn't using lts.conf for > config. Once > >I figured that out, and enabled pxe boot by hitting delete at the > boot > >prompt and configuring the lan client and bootrom, I got a true PXE > boot. > >Sound still isn't working correctly but the clients dmesg gets me > more > >information. The relevant portion is below. I don't know if this > indicates a > >problem with ALSA or if the line reading "ac97_codec: AC97 codec, > id: ALG96 > >(Unknown):" is what I should focus on. From milanofabio at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 19:04:46 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:04:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Uninteruptable Power Supply UPS with Linux In-Reply-To: References: <824a5f7a0610161110kc64dac5p7add6c2ce352243a@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0610161204i7d16e33dx1cdd0ebcb7da20b1@mail.gmail.com> <1161054458.7862.229.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <35c1344c0611161104g6e460280x86ca051b774e8a50@mail.gmail.com> To add my two cents in I have read that USB connections overtime can lose there signal. So its best to use the Serial connection if you got one. Thats probably why the APCSMART come with Serial connections, and the cheaper APCBackup ones don't. -Fabs On 11/15/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Thought I would just thank the list for the help to setup my UPS. Today we > had a power outage. One week after I setup my UPS. I got a 1500VA Back-UPS > (not the expensive Smart ones). So I had to set the shutdown timeout in the > conf file. Hadn't even gotten around to testing it yet. Worked like a charm > doing a clean shutdown today . Talk about luck. > > BTW just wondering. Is there any benefit to using ext3 filesystem in a > software RAID1? I know that ext3 is journalled but with a mirror what's the > point if one of the drives completes a write but the other doesn't (due to > power loss). Won't the array still be corrupted? Anyone with experience? > > > On 10/16/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 10/16/06, James P. Kinney III < jkinney at localnetsolutions.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 13:04 -0600, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > > > On 10/16/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you recommend usb over serial? > > > > > > > > The cheaper APCs don't do true serial communication (i.e., sending > > > > data to the computer). Instead, they set certain signals (like CTS, > > > > IIRC) to indicate their condition. > > > > > > It even more complicated than that. The different models transmit > > > differing amounts of data. Whether the data port is serial or usb makes > > > no difference. The Back-UPS vs the Smart-UPS have a large amount of > > > functionality difference. The Backups is simpler and has only a timer > > > function. Once it goes on battery, the timer starts. At the end of the > > > timer, it send the shutdown command to the host. > > > > > > The smartups has much more of a command set. It supports battery > > > condition testing and and can signal a power down when the battery falls > > > below a certain level. More importantly, it can hold of on powering back > > > up until the battery has reached a certain minimum runtime level. > > > > > > On my current install, we have Smart-UPS XL 3000VA RM 3U models that > > > have both serial and USB connectors. The same data is on both ports. > > > > > > One nice thing about these (and all Linux systems can be setup to do > > > this) is when the shutdown command is issued, the apcupsd can be told to > > > also send it to a group of other machines. In my current case, there are > > > several servers that run off the UPS in the rack. If the UPS is going > > > down that powers the main login/NFS-/home machine, every other server > > > will need to also shut down as they will have nothing they can do. If a > > > UPS signals to a boot/app server the remaining app servers can stay up. > > > > > > So the UPS is told power back up when the AC as back and the batteries > > > are back up to enough time to allow a partially booted system to shut > > > down gracefully. The first box up is the NFS server. It will then tickle > > > the other machines with Wake-on LAN calls (as soon as I can finish that > > > process). > > > > > > > > Wow nice info James. Thanks. I really like the fact that one box can tell > the others to shutdown also. Is this done by setting up ssh keys? There must > be some kind of auth required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > USB allows for real communication with the host computer, and I > > > > _believe_ that means real data gets sent to that host. For example, > > > > here's the output of "apcaccess" on my workstation: > > > > > > > > APC : 001,034,0890 > > > > DATE : Mon Oct 16 12:59:50 MDT 2006 > > > > HOSTNAME : source-server.prosocial.local > > > > RELEASE : 3.12.4 > > > > VERSION : 3.12.4 (19 August 2006) redhat > > > > UPSNAME : source-server.prosocial.local > > > > CABLE : USB Cable > > > > MODEL : Back-UPS NS 600 > > > > UPSMODE : Stand Alone > > > > STARTTIME: Fri Oct 13 13:05:46 MDT 2006 > > > > STATUS : ONLINE > > > > LINEV : 118.0 Volts > > > > LOADPCT : 0.0 Percent Load Capacity > > > > BCHARGE : 100.0 Percent > > > > TIMELEFT : 42.8 Minutes > > > > MBATTCHG : 5 Percent > > > > MINTIMEL : 3 Minutes > > > > MAXTIME : 0 Seconds > > > > LOTRANS : 088.0 Volts > > > > HITRANS : 139.0 Volts > > > > ALARMDEL : Always > > > > BATTV : 13.5 Volts > > > > LASTXFER : Low line voltage > > > > NUMXFERS : 0 > > > > TONBATT : 0 seconds > > > > CUMONBATT: 0 seconds > > > > XOFFBATT : N/A > > > > STATFLAG : 0x07000008 Status Flag > > > > MANDATE : 2005-12-26 > > > > SERIALNO : 3B0601X00177 > > > > BATTDATE : 2000-00-00 > > > > NOMBATTV : 12.0 > > > > FIRMWARE : 18.w1 .D USB FW:w1 > > > > APCMODEL : Back-UPS NS 600 > > > > END APC : Mon Oct 16 12:59:51 MDT 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm reasonably certain a serial signal-only connection can't convey > > > > that much information to the host (I've no great emotional stake in > > > > this, and won't complain if somebody can post similar output from a > > > > signal-only UPS). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am using the CentOS 4 based k12ltsp. > > > > > > > > RPMs are available for RHEL3 at the apcupsd site > > > > > (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=54413&package_id=73150 > ). > > > > I think that's the closest match to CentOS 4 (being directly descended > > > > from RHEL4). > > > > > > > > Calvin > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > -- > > > James P. Kinney III > > > CEO & Director of Engineering > > > Local Net Solutions,LLC > > > 770-493-8244 > > > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > > > > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > > > > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Robert Arkiletian > > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > > Fl_TeacherTool > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 20:28:01 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:28:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com> What does wbinfo -u and wbinfo -g show you? Also before you can getent -u or -g you'll need to have a valid kerberos ticket. Take a look at this and see if this helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto John On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the local > unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246-1581 > > > > >>> "Daniel Kuecker" 11/16/06 10:40 AM > >>> > > Hello all! > I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 running > with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no local user > accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the > pam_mount > to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under /home/user/X: > everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the windows > share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user cannot > access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it list > the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i followed the > instructions from the following site. please help, the students at my > school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot access > the > windows home folder. > > http://math.univ- lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal- > services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html > > > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246- 1581 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Nov 16 20:50:40 2006 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:50:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> it shows the following: [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo -g BUILTIN\administrators BUILTIN\users Domain Computers Domain Controllers Schema Admins Enterprise Admins Domain Admins Domain Users Domain Guests Group Policy Creator Owners DnsUpdateProxy Staff Students food 8gradecomp [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo -u | more 14guylynn angerothm 10shelzach 13garcsaul 12dunnkend 09jackmich 09thedbrys 16laturobe hastingst 16balddill 10poeryan 15studkins i am looking at that page now. also when i do kinit user i get the following: [root at hsthin ~]# kinit public kinit(v5): Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm while getting initial credentials Thank you, Daniel Kuecker Technology Coordinator Shenandoah Community Schools (712) 246-1581 >>> "john " 11/16/06 2:28 PM >>> What does wbinfo - u and wbinfo - g show you? Also before you can getent - u or - g you'll need to have a valid kerberos ticket. Take a look at this and see if this helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto John On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the local > unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > >>> "Daniel Kuecker" 11/16/06 10:40 AM > >>> > > Hello all! > I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 running > with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no local user > accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the > pam_mount > to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under /home/user/X: > everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the windows > share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user cannot > access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it list > the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i followed the > instructions from the following site. please help, the students at my > school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot access > the > windows home folder. > > http://math.univ- lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal- > services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html > > > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246- 1581 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From SRGrodeon at mckendree.edu Thu Nov 16 21:03:45 2006 From: SRGrodeon at mckendree.edu (Grodeon, Steve R) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:03:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps Message-ID: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49104@se01.mckendree.edu> I am using ltsp 4.2 at my school and have everything setup very nice. The only issue I am having is that flash apps are fairly laggy, especially when more than one user is on. I am more specifically referring to flash games, as this is a college and many people like to play flash games. We have a 100mps network and all the thin clients have ati video cards that get detected fine. They work fine on the actual server itself so I'm not sure if it's a network issue or what. -Steve Grodeon- From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 21:36:39 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:36:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com> <455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <2be970b50611161336g71ff5d60r201f453cf97ac85c@mail.gmail.com> Go ahead and request a new ticket as outline in the Ubuntu howto I passed along. Make sure to list your domain in ALL CAPS. Also can you post your smb.conf file? John On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > it shows the following: > > [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo -g > BUILTIN\administrators > BUILTIN\users > Domain Computers > Domain Controllers > Schema Admins > Enterprise Admins > Domain Admins > Domain Users > Domain Guests > Group Policy Creator Owners > DnsUpdateProxy > Staff > Students > food > 8gradecomp > > > [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo -u | more > 14guylynn > angerothm > 10shelzach > 13garcsaul > 12dunnkend > 09jackmich > 09thedbrys > 16laturobe > hastingst > 16balddill > 10poeryan > 15studkins > > > i am looking at that page now. > also when i do kinit user i get the following: > > [root at hsthin ~]# kinit public > kinit(v5): Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm > while getting initial credentials > > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246-1581 > > > > >>> "john " 11/16/06 2:28 PM >>> > What does wbinfo - u and wbinfo - g show you? Also before you can > getent - u > or - g you'll need to have a valid kerberos ticket. Take a look at > this and > see if this helps: > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto > > John > > On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > > > I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the > local > > unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > Technology Coordinator > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > > > >>> "Daniel Kuecker" 11/16/06 10:40 > AM > > >>> > > > > Hello all! > > I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 running > > with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no local > user > > accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the > > pam_mount > > to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under > /home/user/X: > > everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the > windows > > share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user > cannot > > access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it > list > > the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i followed > the > > instructions from the following site. please help, the students at > my > > school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot access > > the > > windows home folder. > > > > http://math.univ- lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal- > > services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > Technology Coordinator > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Nov 16 22:08:20 2006 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:08:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611161336g71ff5d60r201f453cf97ac85c@mail.gmail.com> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com> <455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161336g71ff5d60r201f453cf97ac85c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455C8CF4.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> thanks for your help, btw! this is the response for requesting the ticket: [root at hsthin ~]# kinit kinit(v5): Client not found in Kerberos database while getting initial credentials [root at hsthin ~]# cat /etc/samba/smb.conf [global] workgroup = SHEN server string = Samba Server printcap name = /etc/printcap load printers = yes log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log max log size = 50 security = ads socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 dns proxy = no idmap uid = 16777216-33554431 idmap gid = 16777216-33554431 template shell = /bin/bash winbind use default domain = yes password server = thor.shen.local realm = SHEN.LOCAL wins server = thor.shen.local template homedir = /home/%U logon home = 192.168.0.11\%u Thank you, Daniel Kuecker Technology Coordinator Shenandoah Community Schools (712) 246-1581 >>> "john " 11/16/06 3:36 PM >>> Go ahead and request a new ticket as outline in the Ubuntu howto I passed along. Make sure to list your domain in ALL CAPS. Also can you post your smb.conf file? John On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > it shows the following: > > [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - g > BUILTIN\administrators > BUILTIN\users > Domain Computers > Domain Controllers > Schema Admins > Enterprise Admins > Domain Admins > Domain Users > Domain Guests > Group Policy Creator Owners > DnsUpdateProxy > Staff > Students > food > 8gradecomp > > > [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - u | more > 14guylynn > angerothm > 10shelzach > 13garcsaul > 12dunnkend > 09jackmich > 09thedbrys > 16laturobe > hastingst > 16balddill > 10poeryan > 15studkins > > > i am looking at that page now. > also when i do kinit user i get the following: > > [root at hsthin ~]# kinit public > kinit(v5): Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm > while getting initial credentials > > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > >>> "john " 11/16/06 2:28 PM >>> > What does wbinfo - u and wbinfo - g show you? Also before you can > getent - u > or - g you'll need to have a valid kerberos ticket. Take a look at > this and > see if this helps: > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto > > John > > On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > > > I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the > local > > unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > Technology Coordinator > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > > > >>> "Daniel Kuecker" 11/16/06 10:40 > AM > > >>> > > > > Hello all! > > I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 running > > with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no local > user > > accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the > > pam_mount > > to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under > /home/user/X: > > everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the > windows > > share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user > cannot > > access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it > list > > the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i followed > the > > instructions from the following site. please help, the students at > my > > school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot access > > the > > windows home folder. > > > > http://math.univ- lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal- > > services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > Technology Coordinator > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 22:25:12 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:25:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <455C8CF4.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com> <455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161336g71ff5d60r201f453cf97ac85c@mail.gmail.com> <455C8CF4.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <2be970b50611161425x24a7d778y1aa19ca44129c3eb@mail.gmail.com> Hi Daniel, You may wish to have: winbind enum users = yes winbind enum groups = yes in your smb.conf. I think this will allow you to use getent to list users and groups. Here's the reference I am looking at: http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/idmapper.html#id2609582 I hope this helps. John On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > thanks for your help, btw! > > this is the response for requesting the ticket: > > [root at hsthin ~]# kinit > kinit(v5): Client not found in Kerberos database while getting initial > credentials > > [root at hsthin ~]# cat /etc/samba/smb.conf > [global] > workgroup = SHEN > server string = Samba Server > printcap name = /etc/printcap > load printers = yes > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > max log size = 50 > security = ads > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > dns proxy = no > idmap uid = 16777216-33554431 > idmap gid = 16777216-33554431 > template shell = /bin/bash > winbind use default domain = yes > password server = thor.shen.local > realm = SHEN.LOCAL > wins server = thor.shen.local > template homedir = /home/%U > > logon home = 192.168.0.11\%u > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246-1581 > > > > >>> "john " 11/16/06 3:36 PM >>> > Go ahead and request a new ticket as outline in the Ubuntu howto I > passed > along. Make sure to list your domain in ALL CAPS. Also can you post > your > smb.conf file? > > John > > On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > > > it shows the following: > > > > [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - g > > BUILTIN\administrators > > BUILTIN\users > > Domain Computers > > Domain Controllers > > Schema Admins > > Enterprise Admins > > Domain Admins > > Domain Users > > Domain Guests > > Group Policy Creator Owners > > DnsUpdateProxy > > Staff > > Students > > food > > 8gradecomp > > > > > > [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - u | more > > 14guylynn > > angerothm > > 10shelzach > > 13garcsaul > > 12dunnkend > > 09jackmich > > 09thedbrys > > 16laturobe > > hastingst > > 16balddill > > 10poeryan > > 15studkins > > > > > > i am looking at that page now. > > also when i do kinit user i get the following: > > > > [root at hsthin ~]# kinit public > > kinit(v5): Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm > > while getting initial credentials > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > Technology Coordinator > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > > > >>> "john " 11/16/06 2:28 PM >>> > > What does wbinfo - u and wbinfo - g show you? Also before you can > > getent - u > > or - g you'll need to have a valid kerberos ticket. Take a look at > > this and > > see if this helps: > > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto > > > > John > > > > On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > > > > > I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the > > local > > > unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > > Technology Coordinator > > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> "Daniel Kuecker" 11/16/06 > 10:40 > > AM > > > >>> > > > > > > Hello all! > > > I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 > running > > > with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no local > > user > > > accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the > > > pam_mount > > > to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under > > /home/user/X: > > > everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the > > windows > > > share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user > > cannot > > > access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it > > list > > > the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i followed > > the > > > instructions from the following site. please help, the students at > > my > > > school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot > access > > > the > > > windows home folder. > > > > > > http://math.univ- lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal- > > > services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > > Technology Coordinator > > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 16 22:38:47 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:38:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] What's coming in edubuntu...report from UDS Mtn View In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <283922.90716.qm@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Speaking of mailing lists, at some point will it be a good idea to merge the K12LTSP and Edubuntu mailing lists? -Rob --- David Trask wrote: > Hi all! > > Chuck Liebow asked about what happened at UDS > Mountain View. So...I > figured I'd let you know! Rather than write a very > long email > here....I'll simply direct you to my blog post at > http://dtrask.wordpress.com where I explained > everything I know in detail. > One thing I can say is that Edubuntu has come of > age....and the next > release is going to be awesome! Now...don't feel > like you'll be dissing > Eric if you decide to try and use Edubuntu....after > all...he was there at > Mtn. View....actively participating in the > development of Edubuntu. We > are all one big happy family....it's OK. I won't > tell you what he runs on > his laptop....although he had to get a new laptop in > SF....but I'll let > him tell you why ;-) I would also like to > encourage many of you to also > join the Edubuntu list....as there are many folks > over there who are going > to need our help with their "new" Edubuntu > deployments. I'm on both lists > and help out whenever I can. So pitch in if you > can. More info on the > Edubuntu site. Feel free to comment on the contents > of my blog > article...let's discuss the awesome stuff that's on > the way! :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link $420k for $1,399/mo. Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From petre at maltzen.net Thu Nov 16 22:17:54 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:17:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps In-Reply-To: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49104@se01.mckendree.edu> References: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49104@se01.mckendree.edu> Message-ID: <455CE392.5010906@maltzen.net> Does your server have a gigabit card for connecting to the clients? You need gigabit *in the server* if you have more than five or six clients. The clients can each be 100mb. Use a switch with 24 100mb ports and one or two gigabit ports ($100 at newegg.com) and plug the server into the gigabit port. Petre Grodeon, Steve R wrote: > I am using ltsp 4.2 at my school and have everything setup very nice. The only issue I am having is that flash apps are fairly laggy, especially when more than one user is on. I am more specifically referring to flash games, as this is a college and many people like to play flash games. We have a 100mps network and all the thin clients have ati video cards that get detected fine. They work fine on the actual server itself so I'm not sure if it's a network issue or what. > > -Steve Grodeon- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Nov 16 22:57:53 2006 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:57:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611161425x24a7d778y1aa19ca44129c3eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com> <455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161336g71ff5d60r201f453cf97ac85c@mail.gmail.com> <455C8CF4.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161425x24a7d778y1aa19ca44129c3eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455C9891.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Great! that fixed the wbinfo stuff, but when i log on as a student and access the homedir on the windows share, it still shows uucp as the woner and wheel as the group... ;-( any other thoughts? I really appreciate it! Thank you, Daniel Kuecker Technology Coordinator Shenandoah Community Schools (712) 246-1581 >>> "john " 11/16/06 4:25 PM >>> Hi Daniel, You may wish to have: winbind enum users = yes winbind enum groups = yes in your smb.conf. I think this will allow you to use getent to list users and groups. Here's the reference I am looking at: http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba- HOWTO- Collection/idmapper.html#id2609582 I hope this helps. John On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > thanks for your help, btw! > > this is the response for requesting the ticket: > > [root at hsthin ~]# kinit > kinit(v5): Client not found in Kerberos database while getting initial > credentials > > [root at hsthin ~]# cat /etc/samba/smb.conf > [global] > workgroup = SHEN > server string = Samba Server > printcap name = /etc/printcap > load printers = yes > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > max log size = 50 > security = ads > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > dns proxy = no > idmap uid = 16777216- 33554431 > idmap gid = 16777216- 33554431 > template shell = /bin/bash > winbind use default domain = yes > password server = thor.shen.local > realm = SHEN.LOCAL > wins server = thor.shen.local > template homedir = /home/%U > > logon home = 192.168.0.11\%u > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > >>> "john " 11/16/06 3:36 PM >>> > Go ahead and request a new ticket as outline in the Ubuntu howto I > passed > along. Make sure to list your domain in ALL CAPS. Also can you post > your > smb.conf file? > > John > > On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > > > it shows the following: > > > > [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - g > > BUILTIN\administrators > > BUILTIN\users > > Domain Computers > > Domain Controllers > > Schema Admins > > Enterprise Admins > > Domain Admins > > Domain Users > > Domain Guests > > Group Policy Creator Owners > > DnsUpdateProxy > > Staff > > Students > > food > > 8gradecomp > > > > > > [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - u | more > > 14guylynn > > angerothm > > 10shelzach > > 13garcsaul > > 12dunnkend > > 09jackmich > > 09thedbrys > > 16laturobe > > hastingst > > 16balddill > > 10poeryan > > 15studkins > > > > > > i am looking at that page now. > > also when i do kinit user i get the following: > > > > [root at hsthin ~]# kinit public > > kinit(v5): Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm > > while getting initial credentials > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > Technology Coordinator > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > > > >>> "john " 11/16/06 2:28 PM >>> > > What does wbinfo - u and wbinfo - g show you? Also before you can > > getent - u > > or - g you'll need to have a valid kerberos ticket. Take a look at > > this and > > see if this helps: > > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto > > > > John > > > > On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > > > > > I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the > > local > > > unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > > Technology Coordinator > > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> "Daniel Kuecker" 11/16/06 > 10:40 > > AM > > > >>> > > > > > > Hello all! > > > I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 > running > > > with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no local > > user > > > accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the > > > pam_mount > > > to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under > > /home/user/X: > > > everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the > > windows > > > share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user > > cannot > > > access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it > > list > > > the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i followed > > the > > > instructions from the following site. please help, the students at > > my > > > school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot > access > > > the > > > windows home folder. > > > > > > http://math.univ- lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal- > > > services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > > Technology Coordinator > > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Nov 16 23:02:26 2006 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:02:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611161425x24a7d778y1aa19ca44129c3eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com> <455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161336g71ff5d60r201f453cf97ac85c@mail.gmail.com> <455C8CF4.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161425x24a7d778y1aa19ca44129c3eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455C99A2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> i still get: # kinit kinit(v5): Client not found in Kerberos database while getting initial credentials and i noticed when i do a wbinfo -u, it shows the USER, but doesn't have the DOMAIN\USER format Thank you, Daniel Kuecker Technology Coordinator Shenandoah Community Schools (712) 246-1581 >>> "john " 11/16/06 4:25 PM >>> Hi Daniel, You may wish to have: winbind enum users = yes winbind enum groups = yes in your smb.conf. I think this will allow you to use getent to list users and groups. Here's the reference I am looking at: http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba- HOWTO- Collection/idmapper.html#id2609582 I hope this helps. John On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > thanks for your help, btw! > > this is the response for requesting the ticket: > > [root at hsthin ~]# kinit > kinit(v5): Client not found in Kerberos database while getting initial > credentials > > [root at hsthin ~]# cat /etc/samba/smb.conf > [global] > workgroup = SHEN > server string = Samba Server > printcap name = /etc/printcap > load printers = yes > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > max log size = 50 > security = ads > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > dns proxy = no > idmap uid = 16777216- 33554431 > idmap gid = 16777216- 33554431 > template shell = /bin/bash > winbind use default domain = yes > password server = thor.shen.local > realm = SHEN.LOCAL > wins server = thor.shen.local > template homedir = /home/%U > > logon home = 192.168.0.11\%u > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > >>> "john " 11/16/06 3:36 PM >>> > Go ahead and request a new ticket as outline in the Ubuntu howto I > passed > along. Make sure to list your domain in ALL CAPS. Also can you post > your > smb.conf file? > > John > > On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > > > it shows the following: > > > > [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - g > > BUILTIN\administrators > > BUILTIN\users > > Domain Computers > > Domain Controllers > > Schema Admins > > Enterprise Admins > > Domain Admins > > Domain Users > > Domain Guests > > Group Policy Creator Owners > > DnsUpdateProxy > > Staff > > Students > > food > > 8gradecomp > > > > > > [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - u | more > > 14guylynn > > angerothm > > 10shelzach > > 13garcsaul > > 12dunnkend > > 09jackmich > > 09thedbrys > > 16laturobe > > hastingst > > 16balddill > > 10poeryan > > 15studkins > > > > > > i am looking at that page now. > > also when i do kinit user i get the following: > > > > [root at hsthin ~]# kinit public > > kinit(v5): Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm > > while getting initial credentials > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > Technology Coordinator > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > > > >>> "john " 11/16/06 2:28 PM >>> > > What does wbinfo - u and wbinfo - g show you? Also before you can > > getent - u > > or - g you'll need to have a valid kerberos ticket. Take a look at > > this and > > see if this helps: > > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto > > > > John > > > > On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > > > > > I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the > > local > > > unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > > Technology Coordinator > > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> "Daniel Kuecker" 11/16/06 > 10:40 > > AM > > > >>> > > > > > > Hello all! > > > I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 > running > > > with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no local > > user > > > accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the > > > pam_mount > > > to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under > > /home/user/X: > > > everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the > > windows > > > share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user > > cannot > > > access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it > > list > > > the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i followed > > the > > > instructions from the following site. please help, the students at > > my > > > school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot > access > > > the > > > windows home folder. > > > > > > http://math.univ- lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal- > > > services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > > Technology Coordinator > > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 16 23:09:11 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:09:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <455C99A2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com> <455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161336g71ff5d60r201f453cf97ac85c@mail.gmail.com> <455C8CF4.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161425x24a7d778y1aa19ca44129c3eb@mail.gmail.com> <455C99A2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <455CEF97.8090307@mesd.k12.or.us> Isn't that due to this in your smb.conf? winbind use default domain = yes -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 Daniel Kuecker wrote: > i still get: > # kinit > kinit(v5): Client not found in Kerberos database while getting initial > credentials > > and i noticed when i do a wbinfo -u, it shows the USER, but doesn't > have the DOMAIN\USER format > > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246-1581 > > > >>>> "john " 11/16/06 4:25 PM >>> > Hi Daniel, > > You may wish to have: > > winbind enum users = yes > winbind enum groups = yes > > in your smb.conf. I think this will allow you to use getent to list > users > and groups. Here's the reference I am looking at: > > http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba- HOWTO- > Collection/idmapper.html#id2609582 > > I hope this helps. > > John > > On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: >> thanks for your help, btw! >> >> this is the response for requesting the ticket: >> >> [root at hsthin ~]# kinit >> kinit(v5): Client not found in Kerberos database while getting > initial >> credentials >> >> [root at hsthin ~]# cat /etc/samba/smb.conf >> [global] >> workgroup = SHEN >> server string = Samba Server >> printcap name = /etc/printcap >> load printers = yes >> log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log >> max log size = 50 >> security = ads >> socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 >> dns proxy = no >> idmap uid = 16777216- 33554431 >> idmap gid = 16777216- 33554431 >> template shell = /bin/bash >> winbind use default domain = yes >> password server = thor.shen.local >> realm = SHEN.LOCAL >> wins server = thor.shen.local >> template homedir = /home/%U >> >> logon home = 192.168.0.11\%u >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Daniel Kuecker >> Technology Coordinator >> Shenandoah Community Schools >> (712) 246- 1581 >> >> >> >>>>> "john " 11/16/06 3:36 PM >>> >> Go ahead and request a new ticket as outline in the Ubuntu howto I >> passed >> along. Make sure to list your domain in ALL CAPS. Also can you post >> your >> smb.conf file? >> >> John >> >> On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: >>> it shows the following: >>> >>> [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - g >>> BUILTIN\administrators >>> BUILTIN\users >>> Domain Computers >>> Domain Controllers >>> Schema Admins >>> Enterprise Admins >>> Domain Admins >>> Domain Users >>> Domain Guests >>> Group Policy Creator Owners >>> DnsUpdateProxy >>> Staff >>> Students >>> food >>> 8gradecomp >>> >>> >>> [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - u | more >>> 14guylynn >>> angerothm >>> 10shelzach >>> 13garcsaul >>> 12dunnkend >>> 09jackmich >>> 09thedbrys >>> 16laturobe >>> hastingst >>> 16balddill >>> 10poeryan >>> 15studkins >>> >>> >>> i am looking at that page now. >>> also when i do kinit user i get the following: >>> >>> [root at hsthin ~]# kinit public >>> kinit(v5): Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested > realm >>> while getting initial credentials >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Daniel Kuecker >>> Technology Coordinator >>> Shenandoah Community Schools >>> (712) 246- 1581 >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> "john " 11/16/06 2:28 PM >>> >>> What does wbinfo - u and wbinfo - g show you? Also before you > can >>> getent - u >>> or - g you'll need to have a valid kerberos ticket. Take a look > at >>> this and >>> see if this helps: >>> >>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto >>> >>> John >>> >>> On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: >>>> I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the >>> local >>>> unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Daniel Kuecker >>>> Technology Coordinator >>>> Shenandoah Community Schools >>>> (712) 246- 1581 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> "Daniel Kuecker" 11/16/06 >> 10:40 >>> AM >>>> Hello all! >>>> I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 >> running >>>> with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no > local >>> user >>>> accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the >>>> pam_mount >>>> to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under >>> /home/user/X: >>>> everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the >>> windows >>>> share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user >>> cannot >>>> access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it >>> list >>>> the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i > followed >>> the >>>> instructions from the following site. please help, the students > at >>> my >>>> school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot >> access >>>> the >>>> windows home folder. >>>> >>>> http://math.univ- lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal- >>>> services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Daniel Kuecker >>>> Technology Coordinator >>>> Shenandoah Community Schools >>>> (712) 246- 1581 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Nov 16 23:14:40 2006 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:14:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <455CEF97.8090307@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com> <455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161336g71ff5d60r201f453cf97ac85c@mail.gmail.com> <455C8CF4.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161425x24a7d778y1aa19ca44129c3eb@mail.gmail.com> <455C99A2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><455C99A2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455CEF97.8090307@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <455C9C80.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> I do not know, the few places I have looked at show DOMAIN\USER. maybe they were not setup to use default domain. Thank you, Daniel Kuecker Technology Coordinator Shenandoah Community Schools (712) 246-1581 >>> Dan Young 11/16/06 5:09 PM >>> Isn't that due to this in your smb.conf? winbind use default domain = yes -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503- 257- 1562 Daniel Kuecker wrote: > i still get: > # kinit > kinit(v5): Client not found in Kerberos database while getting initial > credentials > > and i noticed when i do a wbinfo - u, it shows the USER, but doesn't > have the DOMAIN\USER format > > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246- 1581 > > > >>>> "john " 11/16/06 4:25 PM >>> > Hi Daniel, > > You may wish to have: > > winbind enum users = yes > winbind enum groups = yes > > in your smb.conf. I think this will allow you to use getent to list > users > and groups. Here's the reference I am looking at: > > http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba- HOWTO- > Collection/idmapper.html#id2609582 > > I hope this helps. > > John > > On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: >> thanks for your help, btw! >> >> this is the response for requesting the ticket: >> >> [root at hsthin ~]# kinit >> kinit(v5): Client not found in Kerberos database while getting > initial >> credentials >> >> [root at hsthin ~]# cat /etc/samba/smb.conf >> [global] >> workgroup = SHEN >> server string = Samba Server >> printcap name = /etc/printcap >> load printers = yes >> log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log >> max log size = 50 >> security = ads >> socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 >> dns proxy = no >> idmap uid = 16777216- 33554431 >> idmap gid = 16777216- 33554431 >> template shell = /bin/bash >> winbind use default domain = yes >> password server = thor.shen.local >> realm = SHEN.LOCAL >> wins server = thor.shen.local >> template homedir = /home/%U >> >> logon home = 192.168.0.11\%u >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Daniel Kuecker >> Technology Coordinator >> Shenandoah Community Schools >> (712) 246- 1581 >> >> >> >>>>> "john " 11/16/06 3:36 PM >>> >> Go ahead and request a new ticket as outline in the Ubuntu howto I >> passed >> along. Make sure to list your domain in ALL CAPS. Also can you post >> your >> smb.conf file? >> >> John >> >> On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: >>> it shows the following: >>> >>> [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - g >>> BUILTIN\administrators >>> BUILTIN\users >>> Domain Computers >>> Domain Controllers >>> Schema Admins >>> Enterprise Admins >>> Domain Admins >>> Domain Users >>> Domain Guests >>> Group Policy Creator Owners >>> DnsUpdateProxy >>> Staff >>> Students >>> food >>> 8gradecomp >>> >>> >>> [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - u | more >>> 14guylynn >>> angerothm >>> 10shelzach >>> 13garcsaul >>> 12dunnkend >>> 09jackmich >>> 09thedbrys >>> 16laturobe >>> hastingst >>> 16balddill >>> 10poeryan >>> 15studkins >>> >>> >>> i am looking at that page now. >>> also when i do kinit user i get the following: >>> >>> [root at hsthin ~]# kinit public >>> kinit(v5): Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested > realm >>> while getting initial credentials >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Daniel Kuecker >>> Technology Coordinator >>> Shenandoah Community Schools >>> (712) 246- 1581 >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> "john " 11/16/06 2:28 PM >>> >>> What does wbinfo - u and wbinfo - g show you? Also before you > can >>> getent - u >>> or - g you'll need to have a valid kerberos ticket. Take a look > at >>> this and >>> see if this helps: >>> >>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto >>> >>> John >>> >>> On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: >>>> I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the >>> local >>>> unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Daniel Kuecker >>>> Technology Coordinator >>>> Shenandoah Community Schools >>>> (712) 246- 1581 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> "Daniel Kuecker" 11/16/06 >> 10:40 >>> AM >>>> Hello all! >>>> I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 >> running >>>> with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no > local >>> user >>>> accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the >>>> pam_mount >>>> to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under >>> /home/user/X: >>>> everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the >>> windows >>>> share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user >>> cannot >>>> access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it >>> list >>>> the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i > followed >>> the >>>> instructions from the following site. please help, the students > at >>> my >>>> school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot >> access >>>> the >>>> windows home folder. >>>> >>>> http://math.univ- lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal- >>>> services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Daniel Kuecker >>>> Technology Coordinator >>>> Shenandoah Community Schools >>>> (712) 246- 1581 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 23:52:57 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:52:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server In-Reply-To: <455C9C80.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com> <455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161336g71ff5d60r201f453cf97ac85c@mail.gmail.com> <455C8CF4.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50611161425x24a7d778y1aa19ca44129c3eb@mail.gmail.com> <455C99A2.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <455CEF97.8090307@mesd.k12.or.us> <455C9C80.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <2be970b50611161552y572fec93xc8ad8c22c68a3f35@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dan, I think the comment re: default domain is correct. I use that option and I don't see users in Domain\user format. When I request a kerberos ticket I have to make sure and do my FQDN in all caps so YOURDOMAINCONTROLLER.YOURDOMAIN.ORG john On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > I do not know, the few places I have looked at show DOMAIN\USER. maybe > they were not setup to use default domain. > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246-1581 > > > > >>> Dan Young 11/16/06 5:09 PM >>> > Isn't that due to this in your smb.conf? > > winbind use default domain = yes > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503- 257- 1562 > > > Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > i still get: > > # kinit > > kinit(v5): Client not found in Kerberos database while getting > initial > > credentials > > > > and i noticed when i do a wbinfo - u, it shows the USER, but doesn't > > have the DOMAIN\USER format > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Daniel Kuecker > > Technology Coordinator > > Shenandoah Community Schools > > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > > > > >>>> "john " 11/16/06 4:25 PM >>> > > Hi Daniel, > > > > You may wish to have: > > > > winbind enum users = yes > > winbind enum groups = yes > > > > in your smb.conf. I think this will allow you to use getent to list > > users > > and groups. Here's the reference I am looking at: > > > > http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba- HOWTO- > > Collection/idmapper.html#id2609582 > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > John > > > > On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > >> thanks for your help, btw! > >> > >> this is the response for requesting the ticket: > >> > >> [root at hsthin ~]# kinit > >> kinit(v5): Client not found in Kerberos database while getting > > initial > >> credentials > >> > >> [root at hsthin ~]# cat /etc/samba/smb.conf > >> [global] > >> workgroup = SHEN > >> server string = Samba Server > >> printcap name = /etc/printcap > >> load printers = yes > >> log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > >> max log size = 50 > >> security = ads > >> socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > >> dns proxy = no > >> idmap uid = 16777216- 33554431 > >> idmap gid = 16777216- 33554431 > >> template shell = /bin/bash > >> winbind use default domain = yes > >> password server = thor.shen.local > >> realm = SHEN.LOCAL > >> wins server = thor.shen.local > >> template homedir = /home/%U > >> > >> logon home = 192.168.0.11\%u > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thank you, > >> > >> Daniel Kuecker > >> Technology Coordinator > >> Shenandoah Community Schools > >> (712) 246- 1581 > >> > >> > >> > >>>>> "john " 11/16/06 3:36 PM >>> > >> Go ahead and request a new ticket as outline in the Ubuntu howto I > >> passed > >> along. Make sure to list your domain in ALL CAPS. Also can you post > >> your > >> smb.conf file? > >> > >> John > >> > >> On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > >>> it shows the following: > >>> > >>> [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - g > >>> BUILTIN\administrators > >>> BUILTIN\users > >>> Domain Computers > >>> Domain Controllers > >>> Schema Admins > >>> Enterprise Admins > >>> Domain Admins > >>> Domain Users > >>> Domain Guests > >>> Group Policy Creator Owners > >>> DnsUpdateProxy > >>> Staff > >>> Students > >>> food > >>> 8gradecomp > >>> > >>> > >>> [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo - u | more > >>> 14guylynn > >>> angerothm > >>> 10shelzach > >>> 13garcsaul > >>> 12dunnkend > >>> 09jackmich > >>> 09thedbrys > >>> 16laturobe > >>> hastingst > >>> 16balddill > >>> 10poeryan > >>> 15studkins > >>> > >>> > >>> i am looking at that page now. > >>> also when i do kinit user i get the following: > >>> > >>> [root at hsthin ~]# kinit public > >>> kinit(v5): Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested > > realm > >>> while getting initial credentials > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thank you, > >>> > >>> Daniel Kuecker > >>> Technology Coordinator > >>> Shenandoah Community Schools > >>> (712) 246- 1581 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> "john " 11/16/06 2:28 PM >>> > >>> What does wbinfo - u and wbinfo - g show you? Also before > you > > can > >>> getent - u > >>> or - g you'll need to have a valid kerberos ticket. Take a > look > > at > >>> this and > >>> see if this helps: > >>> > >>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto > >>> > >>> John > >>> > >>> On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > >>>> I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the > >>> local > >>>> unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thank you, > >>>> > >>>> Daniel Kuecker > >>>> Technology Coordinator > >>>> Shenandoah Community Schools > >>>> (712) 246- 1581 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> "Daniel Kuecker" 11/16/06 > >> 10:40 > >>> AM > >>>> Hello all! > >>>> I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 > >> running > >>>> with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no > > local > >>> user > >>>> accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the > >>>> pam_mount > >>>> to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under > >>> /home/user/X: > >>>> everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the > >>> windows > >>>> share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user > >>> cannot > >>>> access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it > >>> list > >>>> the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i > > followed > >>> the > >>>> instructions from the following site. please help, the students > > at > >>> my > >>>> school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot > >> access > >>>> the > >>>> windows home folder. > >>>> > >>>> http://math.univ- lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal- > >>>> services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thank you, > >>>> > >>>> Daniel Kuecker > >>>> Technology Coordinator > >>>> Shenandoah Community Schools > >>>> (712) 246- 1581 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> K12OSN mailing list > >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>> For more info see > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> K12OSN mailing list > >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>> For more info see > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In my ancient version....the script is located in: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh here, I'll post the contents too just for fun: #!/bin/sh # this script changes the default formats to .doc/.xls/.ppt rather than the # native OpenOffice.org formats. Yes, that's ugly - but it makes a huge # difference in the integration of OOo into MS dominate environments. #FILE="/usr/lib/openoffice/share/config/registry/instance/org/openoffice/Office/TypeDetection.xml" FILE="/usr/lib/ooo-1.1/share/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/TypeDetection.xcu" [ -f $FILE ] || exit perl -i.ltsp -p -e " s/5,calc_MS_Excel_97,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument,,67,,0,/5,calc_MS_Excel_97,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument,,323,,0,/; s/1,calc_StarOffice_XML_Calc,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument,,295,,6200,,/2,calc_StarOffice_XML_Calc,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument,,55,,6200,,/; s/3,impress_MS_PowerPoint_97,com.sun.star.presentation.PresentationDocument,,67,emp,0,,/3,impress_MS_PowerPoint_97,com.sun.star.presentation.PresentationDocument,,323,emp,0,,/; s/3,writer_MS_Word_97,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument,,67,CWW8,0,,/3,writer_MS_Word_97,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument,,323,CWW8,0,,/; s/1,writer_StarOffice_XML_Writer,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument,,268435751,CXML,6200,,/1,writer_StarOffice_XML_Writer,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument,,268435495,CXML,6200,,/; " $FILE --Huck john wrote: > Doesn't anyone know how to make this happen. I thought this was a solved > issue? > > John > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From SRGrodeon at mckendree.edu Fri Nov 17 00:04:43 2006 From: SRGrodeon at mckendree.edu (Grodeon, Steve R) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:04:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps References: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49104@se01.mckendree.edu> <455CE392.5010906@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49105@se01.mckendree.edu> I checked just to make sure everything was as i thought; our server is connected to a gigabit switch which hooks into a 100mps switch in the lab. Our server is connected at 1gbps and the clients are 100mbps. But the thing is, we can even notice lag when one client is connected, 2 clients make the computer practically unusable for flash games. Our server is a brand new dual core with fairly high end specs if that helps. -Steve Grodeon- -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Petre Scheie Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 4:17 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps Does your server have a gigabit card for connecting to the clients? You need gigabit *in the server* if you have more than five or six clients. The clients can each be 100mb. Use a switch with 24 100mb ports and one or two gigabit ports ($100 at newegg.com) and plug the server into the gigabit port. Petre Grodeon, Steve R wrote: > I am using ltsp 4.2 at my school and have everything setup very nice. The only issue I am having is that flash apps are fairly laggy, especially when more than one user is on. I am more specifically referring to flash games, as this is a college and many people like to play flash games. We have a 100mps network and all the thin clients have ati video cards that get detected fine. They work fine on the actual server itself so I'm not sure if it's a network issue or what. > > -Steve Grodeon- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Our server is connected at 1gbps and the clients are 100mbps. But the thing is, we can even notice lag when one client is connected, 2 clients make the computer practically unusable for flash games. Our server is a brand new dual core with fairly high end specs if that helps. > > > -Steve Grodeon- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Petre Scheie > Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 4:17 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps > > Does your server have a gigabit card for connecting to the clients? You need gigabit > *in the server* if you have more than five or six clients. The clients can each be > 100mb. Use a switch with 24 100mb ports and one or two gigabit ports ($100 at > newegg.com) and plug the server into the gigabit port. > > Petre > > Grodeon, Steve R wrote: >> I am using ltsp 4.2 at my school and have everything setup very nice. The only issue I am having is that flash apps are fairly laggy, especially when more than one user is on. I am more specifically referring to flash games, as this is a college and many people like to play flash games. We have a 100mps network and all the thin clients have ati video cards that get detected fine. They work fine on the actual server itself so I'm not sure if it's a network issue or what. >> >> -Steve Grodeon- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From genfil at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 10:51:46 2006 From: genfil at gmail.com (Jean Phil) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:51:46 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Cam on Thin Client Message-ID: Has anybody tried to used a webcam on a thin client particularly I want to use with gyach and gnomemeeting. I tried but I was not sucessful. Any howtos? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Nov 17 13:56:07 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:56:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbmount creates unknow file under mnt Message-ID: <44654.172.28.8.55.1163771767.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, I have setup several samba mount points to backup various databases from winders 2003 servers to this linux server/ K12LTSP v5. What is happening is once i go past (5) mountpoints EX: /mnt/bu1 /mnt/bu2 /mnt/bu3 and so on, after the 5th /mnt/xx ,when i create the smbmount( Via Webmin), it turns the /mnt/bu6 [folder] to an " unknown file" type when viewing it in Nautilus. Also of course when i setup my file backup ( via Webmin) when i select this samba mount ,it has a ? mark and of course will not allow the backup to take place. I looked at both /etc/fstab.conf & /etc/mtab.conf and they all look fine,no whitespaces,,etc. has anyone else run into this? Couldnt google it out.. K12LTSP v5-default install no updates; Winders 2003 server ( to mount shares) Thanks, Barry Cisna westcentral school From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 17 14:30:11 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:30:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps In-Reply-To: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49105@se01.mckendree.edu> References: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49104@se01.mckendree.edu> <455CE392.5010906@maltzen.net> <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49105@se01.mckendree.edu> Message-ID: <455DC773.2070307@maltzen.net> I suspect the bottleneck is in the 100mb-switch-to-gigabit-switch link, which will only be 100mb, meaning the clients are all sharing a single 100mb link. You really need a switch that integrates a gigabit port with the 100mb ports in a single fabric. To test the theory, try plugging your clients into the gigabit switch. Make sure they get a 100mb connection. Most switches will automatically drop to the max speed of the client, but I've seen some cheap gig switches, e.g., Netgear, not do so and cause problems for the clients. Petre Grodeon, Steve R wrote: > I checked just to make sure everything was as i thought; our server is connected to a gigabit switch which hooks into a 100mps switch in the lab. Our server is connected at 1gbps and the clients are 100mbps. But the thing is, we can even notice lag when one client is connected, 2 clients make the computer practically unusable for flash games. Our server is a brand new dual core with fairly high end specs if that helps. > > > -Steve Grodeon- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Petre Scheie > Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 4:17 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps > > Does your server have a gigabit card for connecting to the clients? You need gigabit > *in the server* if you have more than five or six clients. The clients can each be > 100mb. Use a switch with 24 100mb ports and one or two gigabit ports ($100 at > newegg.com) and plug the server into the gigabit port. > > Petre > > Grodeon, Steve R wrote: >> I am using ltsp 4.2 at my school and have everything setup very nice. The only issue I am having is that flash apps are fairly laggy, especially when more than one user is on. I am more specifically referring to flash games, as this is a college and many people like to play flash games. We have a 100mps network and all the thin clients have ati video cards that get detected fine. They work fine on the actual server itself so I'm not sure if it's a network issue or what. >> >> -Steve Grodeon- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 17 14:36:46 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:36:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Cam on Thin Client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455DC8FE.4070602@maltzen.net> There was some question about this recently on the LTSP mailing list, but I don't think it went anywhere. Check the archives. I'd think that at a minimum you'd have to get local apps working in order for the camera to be detected on the client. Remember that in the default LTSP setup, the applications that appear on the client are actually running on the server. Petre Jean Phil wrote: > Has anybody tried to used a webcam on a thin client particularly I want > to use with gyach and gnomemeeting. I tried but I was not sucessful. Any > howtos? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Nov 17 15:26:54 2006 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:26:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tweak to make failover work with ldap.conf and Active Directory Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D784207ABD8A@hhpmail.media.local> If you have multiple Active Directory (AD) servers using Services for Unix, failover won't really work if the PDC is offline. The reason is the nss_ldap libraries use REFERALS ON and even if you specify the secondary ldap server in the config file, it will keep trying to connect to the primary ldap server (which might be offline). Add the line: Referrals no ----------------- For example, this is my ldap.conf file: host columbia liberty referrals no timelimit 5 bind_timelimit 5 bind_policy soft base dc=hhp,dc=hhprep,dc=org binddn #### bindpw #### scope sub ssl no pam_filter objectClass=User nss_base_passwd dc=hhp,dc=hhprep,dc=org?sub nss_base_shadow dc=hhp,dc=hhprep,dc=org?sub nss_base_group dc=hhp,dc=hhprep,dc=org?sub nss_map_objectclass posixAccount user nss_map_objectclass shadowAccount user nss_map_objectclass posixGroup group nss_map_attribute gecos name nss_map_attribute homeDirectory unixHomeDirectory nss_map_attribute uniqueMember member pam_member_attribute member Apparently if you tweak the 2 timelimits, you can reduce the delay between choosing servers. Hope this helps! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Nov 17 15:54:37 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:54:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps In-Reply-To: <455CFF2B.3020907@paasda.org> References: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49104@se01.mckendree.edu> < > <455CE392.5010906@maltzen.net> < > <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49105@se01.mckendree.edu> <455CFF2B.3020907@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >That server is connecting to the switch at 10/100 speeds not 10/100/1000 >... so you are maxing out at 1 ;) 2 going full bore will slow >considerably...as it is 140 which is a bit over the 100 ... sorry...need >a Gig-E port on that switch... checkout the amer.com SR24G2 I think I >got the model right. > >--Huck Yes...the model is right SR24G2....it is a 26 port switch....24 of them are 100baseT and 2 of them are gigabit...since it's integrated in the same switch....you come out of the server from the gigabit card to a gigabit port and then feed the 100baseT side. I have several SR24G2's on my network and they work like a charm. The price is VERY reasonable. Flash will cause lots of issues with your CPU, but it shouldn't be as slow as you've described. I'm able to have my entire lab on Flash web sites and it's acceptable. You can do some experiments to see where the bottleneck is. One idea is to hook your clients directly into the gigabit switch....make sure they negotiate down to 100 base T though...some switches won't do that. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 15:53:02 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:53:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps In-Reply-To: References: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49104@se01.mckendree.edu> <455CE392.5010906@maltzen.net> <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49105@se01.mckendree.edu> <455CFF2B.3020907@paasda.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560611170753v14497da1u2120448a5602460e@mail.gmail.com> what 's the best way to tell if you're saturated server side? I wonder if we need nore nics in our bond0. thanks, Peter On 11/17/06, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >That server is connecting to the switch at 10/100 speeds not 10/100/1000 > >... so you are maxing out at 1 ;) 2 going full bore will slow > >considerably...as it is 140 which is a bit over the 100 ... sorry...need > >a Gig-E port on that switch... checkout the amer.com SR24G2 I think I > >got the model right. > > > >--Huck > > > Yes...the model is right SR24G2....it is a 26 port switch....24 of them > are 100baseT and 2 of them are gigabit...since it's integrated in the same > switch....you come out of the server from the gigabit card to a gigabit > port and then feed the 100baseT side. I have several SR24G2's on my > network and they work like a charm. The price is VERY reasonable. Flash > will cause lots of issues with your CPU, but it shouldn't be as slow as > you've described. I'm able to have my entire lab on Flash web sites and > it's acceptable. You can do some experiments to see where the bottleneck > is. One idea is to hook your clients directly into the gigabit > switch....make sure they negotiate down to 100 base T though...some > switches won't do that. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From william at fragakis.com Fri Nov 17 16:03:59 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:03:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps In-Reply-To: <20061117152520.BF1E073606@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061117152520.BF1E073606@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1163779439.3263.18.camel@server.ltsp> 1) All flash or a specific page? We've seen some pages bring pretty fast servers close to their knees they are so bloated and hi rez. If it's a "heavy" page, try using medium or low quality by right clicking on the animation. 2) If all flash, something else is wrong, as we run a ton of it. How many clients hang off the lab switch? regards, William > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:04:43 -0600 > From: "Grodeon, Steve R" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49105 at se01.mckendree.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I checked just to make sure everything was as i thought; our server is > connected to a gigabit switch which hooks into a 100mps switch in the > lab. Our server is connected at 1gbps and the clients are 100mbps. > But the thing is, we can even notice lag when one client is connected, > 2 clients make the computer practically unusable for flash games. Our > server is a brand new dual core with fairly high end specs if that > helps. > > > -Steve Grodeon- From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 17 16:20:49 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:20:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps In-Reply-To: <9bd317560611170753v14497da1u2120448a5602460e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49104@se01.mckendree.edu> <455CE392.5010906@maltzen.net> <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49105@se01.mckendree.edu> <455CFF2B.3020907@paasda.org> <9bd317560611170753v14497da1u2120448a5602460e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163780449.22630.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 10:53 -0500, Peter Hartmann wrote: > what 's the best way to tell if you're saturated server side? I > wonder if we need nore nics in our bond0. If you run a graphing tool like cacti (http://www.cacti.net/) you can watch bandwith, cpu, and memory usage and see trends over time intervals. Or for a real-time view, run gkrellm. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nadavkav at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 16:28:52 2006 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:28:52 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp/OO: how to have users save .doc .xls .ppt by default ?? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611160836t18f04b89ya03f52e1bf42bb8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611151144t561713fbo170b8afa481ff6c3@mail.gmail.com> <200611161404.04648.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> <2be970b50611160836t18f04b89ya03f52e1bf42bb8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4219988b0611170828s5a7ab291sc3b4e1520790e3db@mail.gmail.com> here is what i do... i have user sandbox, in which i configure open office, kde, gnome, firefox, opera... and then i drag the /home/sandbox/.openoffice2 folder (for example) with all the configurations onto the icon which copies the content of this folder to all users (one of the script icons on the desktop, that comes with the default install) . and that's it. all the users get what ever i set for user sandbox. i also lock down the desktop with kde's kiosktool. so none of the students can change anything. works great :-) and very easy too. On 11/16/06, john wrote: > > Hi Nadav, > > Thanks, I should have said that I want to do this for ALL users > automatically. Sorry to be unclear about my question and thanks for your > response. > > John > > On 11/16/06, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > > > it's in the options-->load save-->General-->default file formats > > set each category ( example: writer saves document to .doc files ) > > > > On Wednesday 15 November 2006 21:44, john wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I thought this had come up before, but now I can't find it in the > > archives. > > > I want all of my ltsp users to save as .doc .xls .ppt by default. The > > > question I present to you is: how is this done? > > > > > > I am running Ubuntu LTS 6.06, LTSP 4.2 > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your ideas! > > > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"iptraf -g" is nice too. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 16:57:33 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:57:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp/OO: how to have users save .doc .xls .ppt by default ?? In-Reply-To: <4219988b0611170828s5a7ab291sc3b4e1520790e3db@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611151144t561713fbo170b8afa481ff6c3@mail.gmail.com> <200611161404.04648.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> <2be970b50611160836t18f04b89ya03f52e1bf42bb8b@mail.gmail.com> <4219988b0611170828s5a7ab291sc3b4e1520790e3db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50611170857r57699101y3cf84d5439e38509@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Nadav. I am using Ubuntu LTS 6.06 and LTSP 4.2, not K12LTSP. So I don't have those neat scripts to copy stuff to all users profiles. I think that they would be fairly easy to port to Ubuntu, but so far, I haven't been able to find sample of the k12ltsp scripts. I appreciate your help! John On 11/17/06, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > here is what i do... > i have user sandbox, in which i configure open office, kde, gnome, > firefox, opera... > and then i drag the /home/sandbox/.openoffice2 folder (for example) with > all the configurations onto the icon which copies the content of this folder > to all users (one of the script icons on the desktop, that comes with the > default install) . and that's it. all the users get what ever i set for user > sandbox. > > i also lock down the desktop with kde's kiosktool. so none of the students > can change anything. > > works great :-) and very easy too. > > On 11/16/06, john wrote: > > > > Hi Nadav, > > > > Thanks, I should have said that I want to do this for ALL users > > automatically. Sorry to be unclear about my question and thanks for your > > response. > > > > John > > > > On 11/16/06, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > > > > > it's in the options-->load save-->General-->default file formats > > > set each category ( example: writer saves document to .doc files ) > > > > > > On Wednesday 15 November 2006 21:44, john wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I thought this had come up before, but now I can't find it in the > > > archives. > > > > I want all of my ltsp users to save as .doc .xls .ppt by default. > > > The > > > > question I present to you is: how is this done? > > > > > > > > I am running Ubuntu LTS 6.06, LTSP 4.2 > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your ideas! > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 16:58:50 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:58:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP! Making OpenOffice default to .doc for all LTSP users In-Reply-To: <455CFBEE.2070603@paasda.org> References: <2be970b50611161554n26bf7730gb1b4e2d74d532870@mail.gmail.com> <455CFBEE.2070603@paasda.org> Message-ID: <2be970b50611170858i5e43f668m3ddb12eac7aa1a7c@mail.gmail.com> Thank you VERY much Huck. I'll try it out. And at least it gives me something to work with. This is what I was hoping someone would post. John On 11/16/06, Huck wrote: > > yeah there's a script... > in K12LTSP...if you install LTSP on top of another distro I don't think > Eric's scripts come with that..but I might be wrong... > > In my ancient version....the script is located in: > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh > > here, I'll post the contents too just for fun: > #!/bin/sh > > # this script changes the default formats to .doc/.xls/.ppt rather than > the > # native OpenOffice.org formats. Yes, that's ugly - but it makes a huge > # difference in the integration of OOo into MS dominate environments. > > > #FILE="/usr/lib/openoffice/share/config/registry/instance/org/openoffice/Office/TypeDetection.xml" > FILE="/usr/lib/ooo-1.1 > /share/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/TypeDetection.xcu" > > [ -f $FILE ] || exit > > perl -i.ltsp -p -e " > > s/5,calc_MS_Excel_97,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument > ,,67,,0,/5,calc_MS_Excel_97,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument > ,,323,,0,/; > > s/1,calc_StarOffice_XML_Calc,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument > ,,295,,6200,,/2,calc_StarOffice_XML_Calc, > com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument,,55,,6200,,/; > > > s/3,impress_MS_PowerPoint_97, > com.sun.star.presentation.PresentationDocument > ,,67,emp,0,,/3,impress_MS_PowerPoint_97, > com.sun.star.presentation.PresentationDocument,,323,emp,0,,/; > > > s/3,writer_MS_Word_97,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument > ,,67,CWW8,0,,/3,writer_MS_Word_97,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument > ,,323,CWW8,0,,/; > > s/1,writer_StarOffice_XML_Writer,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument > ,,268435751,CXML,6200,,/1,writer_StarOffice_XML_Writer, > com.sun.star.text.TextDocument,,268435495,CXML,6200,,/; > " $FILE > > > --Huck > > > > john wrote: > > Doesn't anyone know how to make this happen. I thought this was a solved > > issue? > > > > John > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Nov 17 17:02:37 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:02:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP! Making OpenOffice default to .doc for all LTSP users In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611170858i5e43f668m3ddb12eac7aa1a7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611161554n26bf7730gb1b4e2d74d532870@mail.gmail.com> <455CFBEE.2070603@paasda.org> <2be970b50611170858i5e43f668m3ddb12eac7aa1a7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455DEB2D.9020006@paasda.org> Oh I wish I could claim that state of guru-ness but NONE of the credit is due me. Eric Harrison is The Man ;) --Huck john wrote: > Thank you VERY much Huck. I'll try it out. And at least it gives me > something to work with. This is what I was hoping someone would post. > > John From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 17 17:05:58 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:05:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update can't find valud baseurl Message-ID: <455DEBF6.20004@maltzen.net> When I run yum update I get this error: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: updates fedora-updates.repo is pointing to mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=updates-released-$releasever&arch=$basearch Is that no longer a valid URL? Petre From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 17 17:15:50 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:15:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update can't find valud baseurl In-Reply-To: <455DEBF6.20004@maltzen.net> References: <455DEBF6.20004@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <455DEE46.2050603@maltzen.net> Answering my own question, yes, it appears the url is not valid. However, the one above it in the repo file, which was commented out, works: mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/updates-released-fc$releasever I don't recall that I added the URL below (although I may have). Anyone know which is the current default? Petre Scheie wrote: > When I run yum update I get this error: > > Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: updates > > fedora-updates.repo is pointing to > > mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=updates-released-$releasever&arch=$basearch > > > Is that no longer a valid URL? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 17:42:59 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:42:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP! Making OpenOffice default to .doc for all LTSP users In-Reply-To: <455DEB2D.9020006@paasda.org> References: <2be970b50611161554n26bf7730gb1b4e2d74d532870@mail.gmail.com> <455CFBEE.2070603@paasda.org> <2be970b50611170858i5e43f668m3ddb12eac7aa1a7c@mail.gmail.com> <455DEB2D.9020006@paasda.org> Message-ID: <2be970b50611170942j1e2e8730x461e6569d9d796e9@mail.gmail.com> Agreed! John On 11/17/06, Huck wrote: > > Oh I wish I could claim that state of guru-ness but NONE of the credit > is due me. > > Eric Harrison is The Man ;) > > --Huck > > john wrote: > > Thank you VERY much Huck. I'll try it out. And at least it gives me > > something to work with. This is what I was hoping someone would post. > > > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> References: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> Message-ID: <455E0236.5010007@paasda.org> squid and dansguardian ?? or squidguard... for time controls...you could do it many ways... multiple config files with a cron running one at 3:30pm and one at 7am.. or maybe some fancier script when invoked checks the time and loads the appropriate config file. --Huck Kisakye Alex wrote: > Hi all, > Am looking for an open source toool to control the usage of the school > network, by say blocking all requests for yahoo and other websites > during school time and weive access after school hours, and if possible > can i log which pc or user is accessing restricted sites? > > Anybody have an idea which open source tool I can use? > thanks > > ALex > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From twolfe at sawback.com Fri Nov 17 18:40:35 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:40:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] network control? In-Reply-To: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> References: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> Message-ID: IPCop seems an obvious choice. I've added the URLFILTER plugin which provides the functionality you're talking about, see http://www.urlfilter.net/. Copfilter is another choice, see http://copfilter.org/. See the excellent how-tos at http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_linux_firewall_ipcop ...or the docs with IPCop Regards, Tom Wolfe On Fri, 17 Nov 2006, Kisakye Alex wrote: > Hi all, Am looking for an open source toool to control the usage of the > school network, by say blocking all requests for yahoo and other > websites during school time and weive access after school hours, and if > possible can i log which pc or user is accessing restricted sites? > > Anybody have an idea which open source tool I can use? > thanks > > ALex From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 18:40:35 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:40:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network control? In-Reply-To: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> References: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> Message-ID: <464c38cc0611171040peb21835r2e3bb3004391dabb@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like you need danguardian (http://dansguardian.org/). Plop a firewall (ipcop or smeserver are nice) on your choke point and you are all set. Tim On 11/17/06, Kisakye Alex wrote: > > Hi all, > Am looking for an open source toool to control the usage of the school > network, by say blocking all requests for yahoo and other websites during > school time and weive access after school hours, and if possible can i log > which pc or user is accessing restricted sites? > > Anybody have an idea which open source tool I can use? > thanks > > ALex > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twolfe at sawback.com Fri Nov 17 18:41:56 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:41:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] network control? In-Reply-To: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> References: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> Message-ID: I should have added that IPCop requires a dedicated machine (any older Pentium class should do). Whereas the other options like squidguard, dansguardian will work with your ltsp server, Tom Wolfe On Fri, 17 Nov 2006, Kisakye Alex wrote: > Hi all, > Am looking for an open source toool to control the usage of the school network, by say blocking all requests for yahoo and other websites during school time and weive access after school hours, and if possible can i log which pc or user is accessing restricted sites? > > Anybody have an idea which open source tool I can use? > thanks > > ALex From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Nov 17 18:52:15 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:52:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] network control? In-Reply-To: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> References: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Hi all, >Am looking for an open source toool to control the usage of the school >network, by say blocking all requests for yahoo and other websites during >school time and weive access after school hours, and if possible can i >log which pc or user is accessing restricted sites? > >Anybody have an idea which open source tool I can use? >thanks > >ALex_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see DansGuardian....I use it at my school....does everything you're asking about. > David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 17 18:54:07 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:54:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] network control? Message-ID: <20061117185408.32349.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- > From: Kisakye Alex > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:36:57 PM > Subject: [K12OSN] network control? > > Hi all, > Am looking for an open source toool to control the usage of the school network, by say blocking all requests for yahoo and other websites during school time and weive access after school hours, and if possible can i log which pc or user is accessing restricted sites? > > Anybody have an idea which open source tool I can use? > thanks > > ALex Alex, Try checking out CensorNet (www.censornet.com). Like IPCop, it requires a dedicated PC. It runs Dansguardian and Squidguard, with a web-based interface for maintenance and reports. It also logs web access by username. We've been using it for several years. David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: dwblue02 at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Compare mortgage rates for today. Get up to 5 free quotes. Www2.nextag.com From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 19:27:42 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:27:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] network control? In-Reply-To: <455E0236.5010007@paasda.org> References: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> <455E0236.5010007@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200611171527.42872.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Any solution incorporating the Squid proxy can use Squid's access control rules to allow or disallow access based on time of day; see the squid documentation. One big advantage of running something like IPCop with URLFilter (which is Squid based) is that it can perform transparent proxying, meaning that it can't be bypassed by "turning off" proxy use in the browser. Running it on dedicated hardware means that LTSP resources won't be impacted (network bandwidth, CPU, disk, and RAM) by performing double duty as a proxy/content filter as well as an LTSP compute server. n Friday 17 November 2006 14:40, Huck wrote: > squid and dansguardian ?? > or squidguard... > for time controls...you could do it many ways... > multiple config files with a cron running one at 3:30pm and one at 7am.. > or maybe some fancier script when invoked checks the time and loads the > appropriate config file. > > --Huck > > Kisakye Alex wrote: > > Hi all, > > Am looking for an open source toool to control the usage of the school > > network, by say blocking all requests for yahoo and other websites > > during school time and weive access after school hours, and if possible > > can i log which pc or user is accessing restricted sites? > > > > Anybody have an idea which open source tool I can use? > > thanks > > > > ALex > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Fri Nov 17 20:04:16 2006 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:04:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] network control? In-Reply-To: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> References: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> Message-ID: <455DC160.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> I have found endian firewall great, with all those integrated. the community version is free http://www.endian.it Thank you, Daniel Kuecker Technology Coordinator Shenandoah Community Schools (712) 246-1581 >>> "Kisakye Alex" 11/17/06 12:36 PM >>> Hi all, Am looking for an open source toool to control the usage of the school network, by say blocking all requests for yahoo and other websites during school time and weive access after school hours, and if possible can i log which pc or user is accessing restricted sites? Anybody have an idea which open source tool I can use? thanks ALex From albertocastillo at hotmail.com Fri Nov 17 20:36:59 2006 From: albertocastillo at hotmail.com (albertocastillo at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:36:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Califica mi foto en "SEXY o NO?" 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From ahodson at elp.rr.com Fri Nov 17 21:17:22 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:17:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: dhcpd problems II Message-ID: Hi gang Back at the server, and after checking eth0/IP Addresses (ok) I am getting: CLIENT MAC ADDRESS: (UNIQUE) CLIENT IP: 192.168.0.2## MASK 255,255,255.0 DHCP IP:192.168.0.254 GATEWAY IP: 192.168.0.254 PXE-T01: FILE NOT FOUND PXE-E3B: FTFT ERROR - FILE NOT FOUND PXE-M0F: EXITING PXE ROM DISK BOOT FAILURE - INSERT SYSTEM DISK... from all the tin clients, but iMacs booting from the same network configuration load!!! Not sure which of the many conf files to post... an exact directory/name would be helpful. cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD. TX -=o=- From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 21:33:04 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:33:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Blogs Message-ID: <69b790a80611171333r4dfae452s9ea4b99126f09655@mail.gmail.com> anybody have any good blog software they can recommend? I took a quick look at wordpressmu, not sure it will be what I want. Ideally, we'd install the software at the district level, then have 1 blog per school. The students would have their articles published under their school blog. LDAP Authentication either native, or via a plugin is almost a neccesity. I tried out wordpress last year for a couple of schools, but manually creating the accounts for LDAP to work, and having to tweak each installation files to get them to run would be a pain for setting up a bunch of schools. From twolfe at sawback.com Fri Nov 17 22:22:53 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:22:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Good News; and How-tos on configuring K12LTSP logons to Active Directory Message-ID: Good news: I've got a functioning lab of 20 ancient machines composed of 1996 IBM 350s and a bunch of custom PIII machines from the late 1990s. The principal is psyched and the teachers are psyched. It's quite the sight, all of that ancient hardware spitting out a KDE desktop. I'm planning on adding another 15-workstation lab on the other side of the school powered by the same server, we'll see how that works. No sound yet, I gave up the fight last week and am hoping for divine intervention on that one. Teachers seem far less discouraged by that than I though. Now I just have to get things moving with domain logons and home directories. Can anyone suggest a helpful how-to on configuring K12LTSP logons to Active Directory...? Or should I just hit the samba docs? I've already got authentication working, and I think I just need to configure the pam.d configs. Regards, Tom Wolfe From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 22:57:23 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:57:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Good News; and How-tos on configuring K12LTSP logons to Active Directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2be970b50611171457o76c91f87tc993e35807f142dd@mail.gmail.com> Hi Tom, Take a look at this doc. It uses ubuntu, but for the most part it's agnostic in terms of flavor. The pam.d section is very good. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto After your users can authenticate with their Windows domain credentials Basically: 1) install pam_mount 2) Leave all of the stuff at the top alone and at the bottom of the file configure /etc/security/pam_mount.conf to look something like: volume * smbfs FILE_SERVER DIRECTORY_W-STND_SHARES /home/WINDOWS/&/.windowsShare uid=&,gid=&,dmask=750,workgroup=YOUR_WIN_DOMAIN - - This file will: a) look for the fileserver by name or ip (i added to file server to my /etc/hosts file just to be sure). b) mount the shared directory c) mount the share whereever you want it to be in this case in /home/WINDOWS/domain_user/.hiddenfile (pam_mount will auto-magically create this if it doesn't exist, I believe) d) Then I use a little script to in /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default to create a shortcut on the desktop which points to the hidden windows share. It's not quite right yet, but you can try it out: #!/bin/sh zd=/home/WINDOWS/$USER/Desktop/ZDrive if [ ! -L $zd ] then rm -f /home/VANGUARD/$USER/Desktop/ZDrive ln -s $HOME/.windowsShare/*/$USER $zd fi Hope this helps. John On 11/17/06, Tom Wolfe wrote: > > Good news: I've got a functioning lab of 20 ancient machines composed of > 1996 IBM 350s and a bunch of custom PIII machines from the late 1990s. The > principal is psyched and the teachers are psyched. It's quite the sight, > all of that ancient hardware spitting out a KDE desktop. I'm planning on > adding another 15-workstation lab on the other side of the school powered > by the same server, we'll see how that works. > > No sound yet, I gave up the fight last week and am hoping for divine > intervention on that one. Teachers seem far less discouraged by that than > I though. > > Now I just have to get things moving with domain logons and home > directories. > > Can anyone suggest a helpful how-to on configuring K12LTSP logons to > Active Directory...? Or should I just hit the samba docs? I've already got > authentication working, and I think I just need to configure the pam.d > configs. > > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 17 23:22:50 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:22:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: dhcpd problems II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455E444A.7070204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Hi gang > > Back at the server, and after checking eth0/IP Addresses (ok) I am getting: > > CLIENT MAC ADDRESS: (UNIQUE) > CLIENT IP: 192.168.0.2## > MASK 255,255,255.0 DHCP IP:192.168.0.254 > GATEWAY IP: 192.168.0.254 > PXE-T01: FILE NOT FOUND > PXE-E3B: FTFT ERROR - FILE NOT FOUND > PXE-M0F: EXITING PXE ROM > DISK BOOT FAILURE - INSERT SYSTEM DISK... > from all the tin clients, but iMacs booting from the same network > configuration load!!! > > Not sure which of the many conf files to post... an exact directory/name > would be helpful. > cheers > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD. TX > -=o=- > Hi Alan, Here is a quick brain-dump on how the TFTP part works (this is much more fun that the budget document I'm supposed to be be working on ;-) Debugging: 1. make sure the ltsp boot package is installed & have not been modified: (all is well if there is no output) rpm -V ltsp_i386-boot 2. Make sure tftp & xinetd are enabled and active: /sbin/chkconfig tftp on /sbin/chkconfig xinetd on /sbin/service xinetd reload 3. Make sure that the PXE section of /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf is correct. It should look like this: # Intel PXE elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } 4. Make sure that the "next-server" line in /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf has the correct IP of your server. The default is: next-server 192.168.0.254; 5. Iptables could be a problem, but it unlikely since the Mac clients boot The theory: 1. Client sends out a BOOTP request with the vendor class identifier set to "PXEClient" 2. the DHCP server responds, including such information as the client's IP address, the IP address of the server (next-server), and the name of the boot file (filename) [NOTE: the filename is usually relative to /tftpboot/, a filename of "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0" is /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0 on the server ] 3. the client fetches its boot file (filename) from the server (next-server) via TFTP. [NOTE: your clients are not making it past #3 ] 4. In the case of PXE, the bootfile then downloads a config file from ./pxelinux.cfg/ (the default file is "default" ;-). The config file tells PXE where to fetch the kernel, initial ram disk, kernel parameters, etc. The default "default" file for K12LTSP is: prompt 0 label linux kernel vmlinuz.ltsp append root=/dev/ram0 rw initrd=initramfs.gz which tells PXE to download vmlinuz.ltsp and initramfs.gz via TFTP from the same server & directory it found pxelinux.0 -Eric From ahodson at elp.rr.com Fri Nov 17 23:07:26 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:07:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: dhcpd problems III Message-ID: Is this the tell-all config file? # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd # # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. # default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; option routers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254; next-server 192.168.0.254; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; option option-221 code 221 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; # trick from Peter Rundle # newer Macs if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # really old iMacs elsif substring (option option-221, 0, 5) = "Apple" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # Intel PXE elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } # default to an i386 BOOTP image else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; } else { option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; } } } # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; fixed-address 192.168.0.1; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; } host ws002 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; fixed-address 192.168.0.2; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=ne"; } host ws003 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:28:B2; fixed-address 192.168.0.3; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } Thanks for the help! Alan El Paso TX -=o=- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Nov 18 00:28:04 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:28:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: dhcpd problems III In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455E5394.3080307@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Is this the tell-all config file? > Yes, that matches the default config file. Poking around a bit more, here is a way to test TFTP from the command line. This works from the server, but it would be a better test if you had a Linux laptop or the like to plug into the terminals' private network and test from there. If you'll remember from previous email, the files a terminal fetches via TFTP are (relative to /tftpboot/): /lts/pxe/pxelinux.0 /lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default /lts/pxe/vmlinuz.ltsp /lts/pxe/initramfs.gz So all we have to do is use the command line tftp client to verify that they can all indeed be fetched via TFTP: tftp -v 192.168.0.254 -c get /lts/pxe/pxelinux.0 tftp -v 192.168.0.254 -c get /lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default tftp -v 192.168.0.254 -c get /lts/pxe/vmlinuz.ltsp tftp -v 192.168.0.254 -c get /lts/pxe/initramfs.gz -Eric From dhuckaby at paasda.org Sat Nov 18 01:12:00 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:12:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: dhcpd problems III In-Reply-To: <455E5394.3080307@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <455E5394.3080307@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <455E5DE0.6010302@paasda.org> I had a dhcpd error on the clients...and what finally fixed it for me (I have no clue WHY...) but was re-mounting?(terminology) the NFS filesystem/shares? wish I could find the site that discussed it thought it was on a wiki somewhere. --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: > ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: >> Is this the tell-all config file? >> > > > Yes, that matches the default config file. > > > Poking around a bit more, here is a way to test TFTP from the command line. > > This works from the server, but it would be a better test if you had a > Linux laptop or the like to plug into the terminals' private network and > test from there. If you'll remember from previous email, the files a > terminal fetches via TFTP are (relative to /tftpboot/): > > /lts/pxe/pxelinux.0 > /lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default > /lts/pxe/vmlinuz.ltsp > /lts/pxe/initramfs.gz > > > So all we have to do is use the command line tftp client to verify that > they can all indeed be fetched via TFTP: > > tftp -v 192.168.0.254 -c get /lts/pxe/pxelinux.0 > tftp -v 192.168.0.254 -c get /lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default > tftp -v 192.168.0.254 -c get /lts/pxe/vmlinuz.ltsp > tftp -v 192.168.0.254 -c get /lts/pxe/initramfs.gz > > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From son.c.to at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 03:00:40 2006 From: son.c.to at gmail.com (Sonny To) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:00:40 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Blogs In-Reply-To: <69b790a80611171333r4dfae452s9ea4b99126f09655@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80611171333r4dfae452s9ea4b99126f09655@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <527986330611171900x255f730esb4650deaff7efe0d@mail.gmail.com> I like snipsnap. it combines blog with wiki. Its written in java and can be deployed on apache tomcat or run as a standalone. it can use file base storage or database. I prefer the file base storage cuz u dont have to install anything extra. On 11/18/06, Roger wrote: > anybody have any good blog software they can recommend? I took a > quick look at wordpressmu, not sure it will be what I want. > Ideally, we'd install the software at the district level, then have 1 > blog per school. The students would have their articles published > under their school blog. LDAP Authentication either native, or via a > plugin is almost a neccesity. > > I tried out wordpress last year for a couple of schools, but manually > creating the accounts for LDAP to work, and having to tweak each > installation files to get them to run would be a pain for setting up a > bunch of schools. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From SRGrodeon at mckendree.edu Sat Nov 18 03:37:47 2006 From: SRGrodeon at mckendree.edu (Grodeon, Steve R) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:37:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps References: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49104@se01.mckendree.edu> < > <455CE392.5010906@maltzen.net> < > <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49105@se01.mckendree.edu> <455CFF2B.3020907@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49109@se01.mckendree.edu> I have tried many of your suggestions, and just to verify, my server is hooked into a gigabit port in our switch and I am 100% sure the server is running gigabit. Dmesg | grep Mbps reported 1000 Mbps link. When we play flash games on 2 or 3 computers while having a 4th run some network monitoring software, I can see the network utilization jump to the roof, while the cpu usage and RAM are fairly low. We found that 3 playing at once was completely unusable for one person. I haven't tried running them at lower resolutions as somebody had suggested, but i sure thought it could handle more than 2 thin clients. We did try a pretty large variety of games and they all had similair problems. And I don't seem to have any trouble with anything other than flash games, I have tested many different apps that worked seemingly flawlessly, although none were real video intensive. If it helps, I tried switching to IceWM instead of Gnome and it seemed to help a little bit, but not enough to make a real difference here. -Steve Grodeon- -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of David Trask Sent: Fri 11/17/2006 9:54 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >That server is connecting to the switch at 10/100 speeds not 10/100/1000 >... so you are maxing out at 1 ;) 2 going full bore will slow >considerably...as it is 140 which is a bit over the 100 ... sorry...need >a Gig-E port on that switch... checkout the amer.com SR24G2 I think I >got the model right. > >--Huck Yes...the model is right SR24G2....it is a 26 port switch....24 of them are 100baseT and 2 of them are gigabit...since it's integrated in the same switch....you come out of the server from the gigabit card to a gigabit port and then feed the 100baseT side. I have several SR24G2's on my network and they work like a charm. The price is VERY reasonable. Flash will cause lots of issues with your CPU, but it shouldn't be as slow as you've described. I'm able to have my entire lab on Flash web sites and it's acceptable. You can do some experiments to see where the bottleneck is. One idea is to hook your clients directly into the gigabit switch....make sure they negotiate down to 100 base T though...some switches won't do that. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4326 bytes Desc: not available URL: From son.c.to at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 03:48:36 2006 From: son.c.to at gmail.com (Sonny To) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:48:36 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] network control? In-Reply-To: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> References: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> Message-ID: <527986330611171948v69ab98c7sb22a26d941519861@mail.gmail.com> I'm working on a Java web proxy called Omniproxy that can do what you need. At first I looked into using squid, but it didn't have the flexibility that I need. What I needed was full control of manipulating Http request and response using a scripting language like python or ruby. You could for example write a python or ruby script to examine the http request for the destination host and if its to yahoo during school time, send an error message back to the browser. You can also write a script to manipulate the Http response from the server before it gets to the web browser. Find more about http://www.diningphilosophers.net/twiki/bin/view/Main/Omniproxy Its not well documented yet, but I plan to do that soon. The web proxy is only one part of the solution. You need to write some firewall rules to redirect http traffic to the proxy. On 11/18/06, Kisakye Alex wrote: > > > Hi all, > Am looking for an open source toool to control the usage of the school > network, by say blocking all requests for yahoo and other websites during > school time and weive access after school hours, and if possible can i log > which pc or user is accessing restricted sites? > > Anybody have an idea which open source tool I can use? > thanks > > ALex > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Nov 18 04:33:11 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:33:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps In-Reply-To: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49109@se01.mckendree.edu> References: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49109@se01.mckendree.edu> Message-ID: That's weird....because typically with Flash it's your CPU that should be high "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >I have tried many of your suggestions, and just to verify, my server is >hooked into a gigabit port in our switch and I am 100% sure the server is >running gigabit. Dmesg | grep Mbps reported 1000 Mbps link. When we >play flash games on 2 or 3 computers while having a 4th run some network >monitoring software, I can see the network utilization jump to the roof, >while the cpu usage and RAM are fairly low. We found that 3 playing at >once was completely unusable for one person. I haven't tried running >them at lower resolutions as somebody had suggested, but i sure thought >it could handle more than 2 thin clients. We did try a pretty large >variety of games and they all had similair problems. > >And I don't seem to have any trouble with anything other than flash >games, I have tested many different apps that worked seemingly >flawlessly, although none were real video intensive. If it helps, I >tried switching to IceWM instead of Gnome and it seemed to help a little >bit, but not enough to make a real difference here. > >-Steve Grodeon- > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of David Trask >Sent: Fri 11/17/2006 9:54 AM >To: Support list for open source software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps > >"Support list for open source software in schools." >writes: >>That server is connecting to the switch at 10/100 speeds not 10/100/1000 >>... so you are maxing out at 1 ;) 2 going full bore will slow >>considerably...as it is 140 which is a bit over the 100 ... sorry...need >>a Gig-E port on that switch... checkout the amer.com SR24G2 I think I >>got the model right. >> >>--Huck > > >Yes...the model is right SR24G2....it is a 26 port switch....24 of them >are 100baseT and 2 of them are gigabit...since it's integrated in the same >switch....you come out of the server from the gigabit card to a gigabit >port and then feed the 100baseT side. I have several SR24G2's on my >network and they work like a charm. The price is VERY reasonable. Flash >will cause lots of issues with your CPU, but it shouldn't be as slow as >you've described. I'm able to have my entire lab on Flash web sites and >it's acceptable. You can do some experiments to see where the bottleneck >is. One idea is to hook your clients directly into the gigabit >switch....make sure they negotiate down to 100 base T though...some >switches won't do that. > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From SRGrodeon at mckendree.edu Sat Nov 18 04:51:29 2006 From: SRGrodeon at mckendree.edu (Grodeon, Steve R) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:51:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps References: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D49109@se01.mckendree.edu> Message-ID: <4C108C60563E1B4C9C158EF168D40BD002D4910C@se01.mckendree.edu> Our server is a brand new Pentium D dual core, it was around 20% on each cpu or so with 3 going. It didn't occur to me until just now that I am running this over xen, could that have something to do with the problem? It's supposed to be extremely lightweight. -Steve Grodeon- -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of David Trask Sent: Fri 11/17/2006 10:33 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps That's weird....because typically with Flash it's your CPU that should be high "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >I have tried many of your suggestions, and just to verify, my server is >hooked into a gigabit port in our switch and I am 100% sure the server is >running gigabit. Dmesg | grep Mbps reported 1000 Mbps link. When we >play flash games on 2 or 3 computers while having a 4th run some network >monitoring software, I can see the network utilization jump to the roof, >while the cpu usage and RAM are fairly low. We found that 3 playing at >once was completely unusable for one person. I haven't tried running >them at lower resolutions as somebody had suggested, but i sure thought >it could handle more than 2 thin clients. We did try a pretty large >variety of games and they all had similair problems. > >And I don't seem to have any trouble with anything other than flash >games, I have tested many different apps that worked seemingly >flawlessly, although none were real video intensive. If it helps, I >tried switching to IceWM instead of Gnome and it seemed to help a little >bit, but not enough to make a real difference here. > >-Steve Grodeon- > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of David Trask >Sent: Fri 11/17/2006 9:54 AM >To: Support list for open source software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Some trouble with flash apps > >"Support list for open source software in schools." >writes: >>That server is connecting to the switch at 10/100 speeds not 10/100/1000 >>... so you are maxing out at 1 ;) 2 going full bore will slow >>considerably...as it is 140 which is a bit over the 100 ... sorry...need >>a Gig-E port on that switch... checkout the amer.com SR24G2 I think I >>got the model right. >> >>--Huck > > >Yes...the model is right SR24G2....it is a 26 port switch....24 of them >are 100baseT and 2 of them are gigabit...since it's integrated in the same >switch....you come out of the server from the gigabit card to a gigabit >port and then feed the 100baseT side. I have several SR24G2's on my >network and they work like a charm. The price is VERY reasonable. Flash >will cause lots of issues with your CPU, but it shouldn't be as slow as >you've described. I'm able to have my entire lab on Flash web sites and >it's acceptable. You can do some experiments to see where the bottleneck >is. One idea is to hook your clients directly into the gigabit >switch....make sure they negotiate down to 100 base T though...some >switches won't do that. > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4594 bytes Desc: not available URL: From veewee77 at alltel.net Sat Nov 18 14:32:46 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:32:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] network control? In-Reply-To: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> References: <005001c70a77$5f97fa50$cec8a8c0@sword> Message-ID: <455F198E.9030106@alltel.net> Dnsmasq does that. . . google it. Kisakye Alex wrote: > Hi all, > Am looking for an open source toool to control the usage of the school > network, by say blocking all requests for yahoo and other websites > during school time and weive access after school hours, and if > possible can i log which pc or user is accessing restricted sites? > > Anybody have an idea which open source tool I can use? > thanks > > ALex > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nadavkav at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 17:58:02 2006 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:58:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp/OO: how to have users save .doc .xls .ppt by default ?? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611170857r57699101y3cf84d5439e38509@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611151144t561713fbo170b8afa481ff6c3@mail.gmail.com> <200611161404.04648.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> <2be970b50611160836t18f04b89ya03f52e1bf42bb8b@mail.gmail.com> <4219988b0611170828s5a7ab291sc3b4e1520790e3db@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50611170857r57699101y3cf84d5439e38509@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4219988b0611180958r7648029cv56879b03befc27f7@mail.gmail.com> ok, so here is a place i put all my ltsp related configuration files, which i use on different installed ltsp sites. http://groworganic.info/ltsp/ ( http://groworganic.info/ltsp/usr/local/bin/ is a folder of some nice scripts) and to be specific... this one is the script that i have a .desktop link to it placed on my root Desktop. http://groworganic.info/ltsp/usr/local/bin/push-folder-to-users (it's a bash script) so, as i wrote, i open a file manager (konqueror), navigate to the configuration folder of my choice and drag & drop it on the icon link (to the script). i put the script in /usr/local/bin . and the rest is history :-) On 11/17/06, john wrote: > > Thanks Nadav. I am using Ubuntu LTS 6.06 and LTSP 4.2, not K12LTSP. So I > don't have those neat scripts to copy stuff to all users profiles. I think > that they would be fairly easy to port to Ubuntu, but so far, I haven't been > able to find sample of the k12ltsp scripts. I appreciate your help! > > John > > On 11/17/06, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > > > here is what i do... > > i have user sandbox, in which i configure open office, kde, gnome, > > firefox, opera... > > and then i drag the /home/sandbox/.openoffice2 folder (for example) with > > all the configurations onto the icon which copies the content of this folder > > to all users (one of the script icons on the desktop, that comes with the > > default install) . and that's it. all the users get what ever i set for user > > sandbox. > > > > i also lock down the desktop with kde's kiosktool. so none of the > > students can change anything. > > > > works great :-) and very easy too. > > > > On 11/16/06, john wrote: > > > > > > Hi Nadav, > > > > > > Thanks, I should have said that I want to do this for ALL users > > > automatically. Sorry to be unclear about my question and thanks for your > > > response. > > > > > > John > > > > > > On 11/16/06, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > > > > > > > it's in the options-->load save-->General-->default file formats > > > > set each category ( example: writer saves document to .doc files ) > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 15 November 2006 21:44, john wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > I thought this had come up before, but now I can't find it in the > > > > archives. > > > > > I want all of my ltsp users to save as .doc .xls .ppt by default. > > > > The > > > > > question I present to you is: how is this done? > > > > > > > > > > I am running Ubuntu LTS 6.06, LTSP 4.2 > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your ideas! > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 19:55:16 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:55:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp/OO: how to have users save .doc .xls .ppt by default ?? In-Reply-To: <4219988b0611180958r7648029cv56879b03befc27f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611151144t561713fbo170b8afa481ff6c3@mail.gmail.com> <200611161404.04648.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> <2be970b50611160836t18f04b89ya03f52e1bf42bb8b@mail.gmail.com> <4219988b0611170828s5a7ab291sc3b4e1520790e3db@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50611170857r57699101y3cf84d5439e38509@mail.gmail.com> <4219988b0611180958r7648029cv56879b03befc27f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50611181155r4199f525w6180b4002f94dd0e@mail.gmail.com> Thank you Very Much Nadav. I really appreciate you sharing these with me. I've downloaded them and I'll start looking through them next week. Best regards! John On 11/18/06, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > ok, so here is a place i put all my ltsp related configuration files, > which i use on different installed ltsp sites. > http://groworganic.info/ltsp/ (http://groworganic.info/ltsp/usr/local/bin/is a folder of some nice scripts) > > and to be specific... > this one is the script that i have a .desktop link to it placed on my root > Desktop. > http://groworganic.info/ltsp/usr/local/bin/push-folder-to-users (it's a > bash script) > > so, as i wrote, i open a file manager (konqueror), navigate to the > configuration folder of my choice and drag & drop it on the icon link (to > the script). i put the script in /usr/local/bin . > and the rest is history :-) > > On 11/17/06, john wrote: > > > > Thanks Nadav. I am using Ubuntu LTS 6.06 and LTSP 4.2, not K12LTSP. So I > > don't have those neat scripts to copy stuff to all users profiles. I think > > that they would be fairly easy to port to Ubuntu, but so far, I haven't been > > able to find sample of the k12ltsp scripts. I appreciate your help! > > > > John > > > > On 11/17/06, Nadav Kavalerchik < nadavkav at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > here is what i do... > > > i have user sandbox, in which i configure open office, kde, gnome, > > > firefox, opera... > > > and then i drag the /home/sandbox/.openoffice2 folder (for example) > > > with all the configurations onto the icon which copies the content of this > > > folder to all users (one of the script icons on the desktop, that comes with > > > the default install) . and that's it. all the users get what ever i set for > > > user sandbox. > > > > > > i also lock down the desktop with kde's kiosktool. so none of the > > > students can change anything. > > > > > > works great :-) and very easy too. > > > > > > On 11/16/06, john wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Nadav, > > > > > > > > Thanks, I should have said that I want to do this for ALL users > > > > automatically. Sorry to be unclear about my question and thanks for your > > > > response. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > On 11/16/06, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > > > > > > > > > it's in the options-->load save-->General-->default file formats > > > > > set each category ( example: writer saves document to .doc files ) > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 15 November 2006 21:44, john wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought this had come up before, but now I can't find it in > > > > > the archives. > > > > > > I want all of my ltsp users to save as .doc .xls .ppt by > > > > > default. The > > > > > > question I present to you is: how is this done? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am running Ubuntu LTS 6.06, LTSP 4.2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your ideas! > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 20:06:24 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:06:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Success!!! was: A tiny bit of success! Was: Do anyone here REALLY, understand LTSP and remote Message-ID: <2be970b50611181206s3a6b849enfc6e9a71e658f09@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Sound is finally working for both my Ntavo 6020A thin client and for my Compaq Ipaq's with the 1810 chipset. This little package seems to be what did the trick: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 At least it what got stuff finally working for me after I had gone through the steps here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound For folks who come after with similar problems, I am running Ubuntu LTS 6.06and LTSP 4.2 My thanks to all for the assistance! I really appreciate it. I am jazzed! John On 11/16/06, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us < cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us> wrote: > > John, > > When you boot your Nvato, client box, ( with speakers turned all way up), > do you ever hear a "pop" when the modules for soundcard are trying to > load? This comes right after you see several lines of usb.... > If you do definatley hear a pop you should get sound from this particular > soundcard, then you have a permissions thing set wrong on /dev/dsp & or > /dev/mixer. > > do "chmod 777 /dev/dsp" and "chmod 777 /dev/mixer" [these may not exist > if your server has no soundcard.] > and "chmod 777 /opt/ltsp/i386/dev/dsp" & "chmod 777 > /opt/ltsp/i386/dev/mixer" > > open xmms ( you'll have to rpm this in ) click prefernces> then sound > output,change to **esd**. > select /usr/share/sounds for a directory to play sounds out of, so you > have some various sound formats to play, > see if you get sound "waves" in xmms. > Also see if you get sound out of SYSTEM>PREFERENECES>MORE > PREFERENCES>SOund Multimedia select change to esd on click "test". You > should hear the syn sound. > > Let us know your findings,, > Barry Cisna > > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Sun Nov 19 22:29:22 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:29:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Error! dhcpcd failed! Message-ID: <43080f460611191429r1efdc397o115f1786b3d18095@mail.gmail.com> I'm having a problem like Shane's in the previous thread. I had DHCP running. Now I come back to work on the server again and it starts the boot (floppy network boot) begins loading and stops after loading the mouse and gives me the ERROR! dhcpd failed! message. I was running an a simple 5 port switch and I have tried several different switches to no avail.* * -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Mon Nov 20 00:03:04 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:03:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Error! dhcpcd failed! In-Reply-To: <43080f460611191429r1efdc397o115f1786b3d18095@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611191429r1efdc397o115f1786b3d18095@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460611191603g7ed26871pf9db558f50124ab4@mail.gmail.com> I solved this problem myself. I had an onboard NIC and a 3com NIC installed. The onboard NIC had been disabled in the BIOS but somehow had turned back on. The boot initialized from the 3com NIC as directed by the boot floppy but then once the boot initialized the onboard took over - and obviously, couldn't get an IP address since no network cable was plugged into that port. Mel On 11/19/06, Mel Wade wrote: > > I'm having a problem like Shane's in the previous thread. > > I had DHCP running. Now I come back to work on the server again and it > starts the boot (floppy network boot) begins loading and stops after loading > the mouse and gives me the ERROR! dhcpd failed! message. > > I was running an a simple 5 port switch and I have tried several different > switches to no avail.* > * > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Mon Nov 20 02:36:30 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:36:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP 6 and fl_teachertool Message-ID: <43080f460611191836ia78d106m9f93d8843c489c33@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying FL TeacherTool in 6 Beta 5 and getting a VNC error 111. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 02:37:37 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:07:37 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool Message-ID: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> Is the source for Teachers Tool available some where? I would like to put one software engineering student who is going to join us for six months on job training to modify this to integrate with Ubuntu. Or may be it is already integrated with Edubuntu? -- Regards, Sudev Barar From mel at melwade.com Mon Nov 20 03:08:58 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:08:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LSTP 6 and fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: <43080f460611191836ia78d106m9f93d8843c489c33@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611191836ia78d106m9f93d8843c489c33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460611191908y14c7bc1cqa7c4d36d72250795@mail.gmail.com> I see that the following is not configured: 4. This step is required to enable support for the Monitor and Control feature. Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf Find the line X4_MODULE_01=glx. On the next line insert: X4_MODULE_02 = vnc Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this command as root: #/usr/bin/vncpasswd Choose a password and copy the password file into the ltsp-tree and Then edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg and add the following between (Secton "Screen") and (EndSubSection), so it looks like this: Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "My Video Card" Monitor "My Monitor" DefaultDepth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} Subsection "Display" Depth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} Modes ${MODE[*]} #========================================= # Added to enable Monitor/Control in Fl_TeacherTool Option "httpdir" "/usr/share/vnc/classes" Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd" Option "rfbport" "5900" Option "usevnc" #========================================= EndSubSection EndSection and there must be something else, since it still doesn't work. Mel On 11/19/06, Mel Wade wrote: > > I'm trying FL TeacherTool in 6 Beta 5 and getting a VNC error 111. > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 20 04:34:03 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:34:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool In-Reply-To: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Sudev Barar wrote: > Is the source for Teachers Tool available some where? I would like to > put one software engineering student who is going to join us for six > months on job training to modify this to integrate with Ubuntu. Or may > be it is already integrated with Edubuntu? > The source is on the Fl_TeacherTool web page, http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ Here is the direct link to the current version: http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/Fl_TeacherTool-0.34-src.tar.gz As for Edubuntu, they have "Student Control Panel" which has many of the features of Fl_TeacherTool. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 20 04:47:14 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:47:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LSTP 6 and fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: <43080f460611191908y14c7bc1cqa7c4d36d72250795@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611191836ia78d106m9f93d8843c489c33@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611191908y14c7bc1cqa7c4d36d72250795@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45613352.6040708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> This works on my K12LTSP 6.0 server at work. I'll double check from a clean install tomorrow. See notes below... Mel Wade wrote: > I see that the following is not configured: > > 4. This step is required to enable support for the Monitor and Control > feature. > > > Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > Find the line X4_MODULE_01=glx. On the next line insert: > > X4_MODULE_02 = vnc The "X4_MODULE_02 = vnc" line is commented out by default. Make sure to uncomment it. > > > Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this > command as root: > > #/usr/bin/vncpasswd > > Choose a password and copy the password file into the ltsp-tree Be sure to copy it to the right place. You didn't include it in your cut-and-paste from the Fl_TeacherTool docs, so just to be sure.... #cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ > and This part of the instructions are not required for K12LTSP 5.0 and later. Don't modify build_x4_cfg ... > Then edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > and add the following between (Secton "Screen") and > (EndSubSection), so it looks > like this: > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "My Video Card" > Monitor "My Monitor" > DefaultDepth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} > Subsection "Display" > Depth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} > Modes ${MODE[*]} > #========================================= > # Added to enable Monitor/Control in Fl_TeacherTool > Option "httpdir" "/usr/share/vnc/classes" > Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd" > Option "rfbport" "5900" > Option "usevnc" > #========================================= > EndSubSection > EndSection > > and there must be something else, since it still doesn't work. > > Mel > > On 11/19/06, *Mel Wade* < mel at melwade.com > wrote: > > I'm trying FL TeacherTool in 6 Beta 5 and getting a VNC error 111. > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." > - BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 20 04:56:47 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:56:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 BETA6 (just about there!) Message-ID: <4561358F.2070908@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I made a couple more small changes. I missed disabling the software update notification to all users (thanks for catching that Paul!). I hopefully fixed the mess I made with the Mondo/Mindi packages (K12LTSP 4 & 5 packages coming soon). This is lookin' pretty good to me. I would have named this one release-candidate #1, but I need to do a little more testing. My goal is to finish up the testing of this build tomorrow & rename this RC1 if I don't find any show-stoppers. Then I'll let you guys bang on it over the week (Thanks Giving holiday here in the US). If all is still well, these will the final 6.0 release. -Eric BETA6 ISO images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ . BETA6 SO images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ . BETA6 DVD images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . BETA6 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ . From mel at melwade.com Mon Nov 20 05:14:52 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:14:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LSTP 6 and fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: <45613352.6040708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460611191836ia78d106m9f93d8843c489c33@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611191908y14c7bc1cqa7c4d36d72250795@mail.gmail.com> <45613352.6040708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43080f460611192114ifaacb6bie911bee2cdc7a8ed@mail.gmail.com> This is all a bit confusing to me. I installed the fl_teachertool, but evidently from what you are saying there are a number of undocumented configuration steps that must me made after installation. Everything I heard was this was easy install and use, but I guess there is more. What else is unwritten? Mel On 11/19/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > This works on my K12LTSP 6.0 server at work. > > I'll double check from a clean install tomorrow. > > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thepiano at telenet.be Mon Nov 20 07:48:46 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Hanne Verheyen) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:48:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] [XPOST] Sound - flash Message-ID: Hello, I urgently need someone who is willing to investigate some time in devoloping the pulse-audio drivers for ltsp. I'm willing to invest some money in this project, as I need to have flash 9 sound VERY urgently. Many The projects results would be oss and will be contributed to the ltsp development off course. Anyone? Hanne From nadavkav at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 08:07:06 2006 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:07:06 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] [XPOST] Sound - flash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4219988b0611200007l100ace43i4cc2bf19abfe375d@mail.gmail.com> just to let you know tha... their is an oss interface addon, for the flash 9 beta which enable sound through esd (as the flash 7 does). in case you want to use that and hold the development for a while. it was posted here on the list before. here is a link to it... http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flash_Player:Additional_Interface_Support_for_Linux but, don't let it stop you from developing pulse-audio interface. i think we all love to use it. nadav :-) On 11/20/06, Hanne Verheyen wrote: > > Hello, > > I urgently need someone who is willing to investigate some time in > devoloping the pulse-audio drivers for ltsp. > I'm willing to invest some money in this project, as I need to have > flash 9 sound VERY urgently. > Many > > The projects results would be oss and will be contributed to the ltsp > development off course. > > Anyone? > > Hanne > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hanne Op 20-nov-06, om 09:07 heeft Nadav Kavalerchik het volgende geschreven: > just to let you know tha... their is an oss interface addon, for > the flash 9 beta which enable sound through esd (as the flash 7 > does). in case you want to use that and hold the development for a > while. > > it was posted here on the list before. here is a link to it... > http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ > Flash_Player:Additional_Interface_Support_for_Linux > > but, don't let it stop you from developing pulse-audio interface. i > think we all love to use it. > > nadav :-) > > On 11/20/06, Hanne Verheyen wrote: > Hello, > > I urgently need someone who is willing to investigate some time in > devoloping the pulse-audio drivers for ltsp. > I'm willing to invest some money in this project, as I need to have > flash 9 sound VERY urgently. > Many > > The projects results would be oss and will be contributed to the ltsp > development off course. > > Anyone? > > Hanne > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hanne Op 20-nov-06, om 12:17 heeft Hanne Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > does anyone has some more info about the compilation process?? > Anyone having sound yet? > > Hanne > > > Op 20-nov-06, om 09:07 heeft Nadav Kavalerchik het volgende > geschreven: > >> just to let you know tha... their is an oss interface addon, for >> the flash 9 beta which enable sound through esd (as the flash 7 >> does). in case you want to use that and hold the development for a >> while. >> >> it was posted here on the list before. here is a link to it... >> http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ >> Flash_Player:Additional_Interface_Support_for_Linux >> >> but, don't let it stop you from developing pulse-audio interface. >> i think we all love to use it. >> >> nadav :-) >> >> On 11/20/06, Hanne Verheyen wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I urgently need someone who is willing to investigate some time in >> devoloping the pulse-audio drivers for ltsp. >> I'm willing to invest some money in this project, as I need to have >> flash 9 sound VERY urgently. >> Many >> >> The projects results would be oss and will be contributed to the ltsp >> development off course. >> >> Anyone? >> >> Hanne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 20 14:36:13 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:36:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LSTP 6 and fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: <43080f460611192114ifaacb6bie911bee2cdc7a8ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611191836ia78d106m9f93d8843c489c33@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611191908y14c7bc1cqa7c4d36d72250795@mail.gmail.com> <45613352.6040708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43080f460611192114ifaacb6bie911bee2cdc7a8ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4561BD5D.4060000@maltzen.net> fl_teachertool is installed by default in K12LTSP 5, and I assume it's the same in version 6, so you shouldn't have to install anything. It does work out of the box, but for a couple of features, monitoring and controlling the client machines, there are some additional steps related to password setting that have to be done manually as root. Short of somehow launching an interactive tool, which no one has yet written, at the server's first boot, I can't think of a simple way to automate this. These manual steps are few and easy and are listed on the fl_teachertool homepage. If you'd like to write a README.fl_teachertool pointing to those additional steps, perhaps that could be included in the Documentation folder on root's desktop. Petre Mel Wade wrote: > This is all a bit confusing to me. I installed the fl_teachertool, but > evidently from what you are saying there are a number of undocumented > configuration steps that must me made after installation. Everything I > heard was this was easy install and use, but I guess there is more. > What else is unwritten? > > Mel > > On 11/19/06, *Eric Harrison* > wrote: > > > This works on my K12LTSP 6.0 server at work. > > I'll double check from a clean install tomorrow. > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Nov 20 14:43:54 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:43:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool In-Reply-To: <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: > >As for Edubuntu, they have "Student Control Panel" which has many of the >features of Fl_TeacherTool. And was adopted as a spec for Fiesty (due in April) with much more functionality. So....in essence working to adopt FL_Teachertool for Ubuntu will be duplication of efforts already underway. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Mon Nov 20 14:37:43 2006 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:37:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Ubuntu Message-ID: <45616957.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> I am currently using K12LTSP 5 and am curios as to how it compares to ubuntu as a LTSP.? I have tried using edubuntu as a desktop, but it seems I always have some flaky things happen (don't ask me what, I do not remember). Can you guys/gals provide feedback on your experiences? Thank you, Daniel Kuecker Technology Coordinator Shenandoah Community Schools (712) 246-1581 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Nov 20 14:54:42 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:54:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <45616957.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45616957.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: > >I am currently using K12LTSP 5 and am curios as to how it compares to >ubuntu as a LTSP.? I have tried using edubuntu as a desktop, but it >seems I always have some flaky things happen (don't ask me what, I do >not remember). Can you guys/gals provide feedback on your experiences? Are you using the latest (Edgy Eft) version of Edubuntu? There are MAJOR differences between that one and the earlier (Dapper or 6.06 LTS) release. You should try Edgy (6.10).....otherwise...Fiesty Fawn will also have some major enhancements (7.04...due in April '07 hence the version name) K12LTSP is a mature distro....Edubuntu is getting there fast....there's a lot of effort being put into developing the LTSP part of Edubuntu. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 14:51:48 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:21:48 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool In-Reply-To: References: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <774593a20611200651v795ef6b5v404c85e082aae939@mail.gmail.com> On 20/11/06, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > > > >As for Edubuntu, they have "Student Control Panel" which has many of the > >features of Fl_TeacherTool. > > > And was adopted as a spec for Fiesty (due in April) with much more > functionality. So....in essence working to adopt FL_Teachertool for > Ubuntu will be duplication of efforts already underway. > Thanks Eric and David. So now for some other back burner projects. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From jahnigl at hotmail.com Mon Nov 20 15:20:32 2006 From: jahnigl at hotmail.com (Lance Jahnig) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:20:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [XPOST] Sound - flash In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From: Hanne Verheyen >Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] [XPOST] Sound - flash >Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:47:42 +0100 > >The problem is SOLVED !!!! hiehaa > >follow the solution described below. >and start firefox > >esddsp firefox.... > >question: how do i change the link in the gnome menu so all users will see >firefox, but the command says esddsp firefox? > >Hanne > > >Op 20-nov-06, om 12:17 heeft Hanne Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > >>does anyone has some more info about the compilation process?? >>Anyone having sound yet? >> >>Hanne >> >> >>Op 20-nov-06, om 09:07 heeft Nadav Kavalerchik het volgende geschreven: >> >>>just to let you know tha... their is an oss interface addon, for the >>>flash 9 beta which enable sound through esd (as the flash 7 does). in >>>case you want to use that and hold the development for a while. >>> >>>it was posted here on the list before. here is a link to it... >>>http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ >>>Flash_Player:Additional_Interface_Support_for_Linux >>> >>>but, don't let it stop you from developing pulse-audio interface. i >>>think we all love to use it. >>> >>>nadav :-) >>> >>>On 11/20/06, Hanne Verheyen wrote: >>>Hello, >>> >>>I urgently need someone who is willing to investigate some time in >>>devoloping the pulse-audio drivers for ltsp. >>>I'm willing to invest some money in this project, as I need to have >>>flash 9 sound VERY urgently. >>>Many >>> >>>The projects results would be oss and will be contributed to the ltsp >>>development off course. >>> >>>Anyone? >>> >>>Hanne look at the following file /usr/share/applications/mozilla-firefox.desktop and modify the Exec line _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=WLMTAG From mel at melwade.com Mon Nov 20 15:31:06 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 07:31:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LSTP 6 and fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: <4561BD5D.4060000@maltzen.net> References: <43080f460611191836ia78d106m9f93d8843c489c33@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611191908y14c7bc1cqa7c4d36d72250795@mail.gmail.com> <45613352.6040708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43080f460611192114ifaacb6bie911bee2cdc7a8ed@mail.gmail.com> <4561BD5D.4060000@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43080f460611200731o1f84d454o6833ea894fa8d44c@mail.gmail.com> It would be helpful to know that there are additional steps... It would be useful to have a readme that was placed on the root desktop or someplace obvious so new people like me wouldn't be guessing... The instructions on the web site are written from the perspective of a manual install which in K12LTSP is really isn't... Mel On 11/20/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > fl_teachertool is installed by default in K12LTSP 5, and I assume it's the > same in > version 6, so you shouldn't have to install anything. It does work out of > the box, but > for a couple of features, monitoring and controlling the client machines, > there are some > additional steps related to password setting that have to be done manually > as root. > Short of somehow launching an interactive tool, which no one has yet > written, at the > server's first boot, I can't think of a simple way to automate > this. These manual steps > are few and easy and are listed on the fl_teachertool homepage. If you'd > like to write > a README.fl_teachertool pointing to those additional steps, perhaps that > could be > included in the Documentation folder on root's desktop. > > Petre > > Mel Wade wrote: > > This is all a bit confusing to me. I installed the fl_teachertool, but > > evidently from what you are saying there are a number of undocumented > > configuration steps that must me made after installation. Everything I > > heard was this was easy install and use, but I guess there is more. > > What else is unwritten? > > > > Mel > > > > On 11/19/06, *Eric Harrison* > > wrote: > > > > > > This works on my K12LTSP 6.0 server at work. > > > > I'll double check from a clean install tomorrow. > > > > > > > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > > BF Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 20 15:36:11 2006 From: sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 07:36:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: blocking all requests for yahoo and other websites during school time In-Reply-To: <20061118170031.04551732CC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061118170031.04551732CC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1164036971.5757.172.camel@sharbour-desktop> That functionality has been available with squidGuard for at least 6 years. It has very good documentation as well. While it would be a good tool for K12LTSP as it is relatively well supported with the Squid proxy, putting it in place for an entire school requires making the proxy server the only http route out of the network for all clients. You can then either run the proxy in transparent mode which requires no client settings, or configure all clients to use your proxy. I think there are exceptions if you use Cisco routers with WCCP capability and configure squid to act as a Cisco Cache Engine. I was not aware that dnsmasq had similar capabilities. Doing this function at the DNS server would be simpler overall, but it seems to me that it would have the disadvantage of being easily bypassed by configuring a client to use an external proxy by IP address, not name, completely bypassing any local DNS control. - Sean Harbour On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 12:00 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:32:46 -0600 > From: Doug Simpson > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] network control? > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <455F198E.9030106 at alltel.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dnsmasq does that. . . > > google it. > > Kisakye Alex wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Am looking for an open source toool to control the usage of the > school > > network, by say blocking all requests for yahoo and other websites > > during school time and weive access after school hours, and if > > possible can i log which pc or user is accessing restricted sites? > > > > Anybody have an idea which open source tool I can use? > > thanks > > > > ALex > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ From edward at netday.org.za Mon Nov 20 16:11:56 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:11:56 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <45616957.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45616957.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <200611201811.56973.edward@netday.org.za> I've tested Edubuntu (up to an including 6.10) and I have installed K12LTSP into near 60 rural school computer labs all over South Africa in the most extreme of conditions. Edubuntu: fine if you're a Linux hobbyist and prepared to play around to get even basic thin client up and working. OK as a fat client desktop, but nowhere near enterprise ready. It's no good if you want to do multiple, identical deployments with minimal effort. Despite my best efforts (and I use kubuntu as my regular desktop) Edubuntu is just way too buggy. K12LTSP: if you want to just install and walk away with a stable, working system *almost* regardless of workstation configuration then choose K12LTSP. My need is that a teacher with only the most basic of PC literacy in a rural African village should be able to reinstall the system in the event of a catastrophic system failure, such as a hard drive crash. This is not yet possible on Edubuntu, while it is the case with K12LTSP. K12LTSP is especially well suited to ease of multiple site rollouts in such a scenario. Of course, the hard-core customisation option is still there if you want it - it is Linux after all. If you're facing a choice between these two, there's no contest. Maybe in a year or two Edubuntu will get there, since it certainly has shown progress in some areas. cheers ed On Monday 20 November 2006 16:37, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > I am currently using K12LTSP 5 and am curios as to how it compares to > ubuntu as a LTSP.? I have tried using edubuntu as a desktop, but it > seems I always have some flaky things happen (don't ask me what, I do > not remember). Can you guys/gals provide feedback on your experiences? > > > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246-1581 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 16:14:56 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:14:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool In-Reply-To: <774593a20611200651v795ef6b5v404c85e082aae939@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <774593a20611200651v795ef6b5v404c85e082aae939@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50611200814h30f1319fv817d5cc75a181830@mail.gmail.com> Or have your student work with the Fiesty team to push the work along! 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URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 20 16:38:39 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:38:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LSTP 6 and fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: <43080f460611200731o1f84d454o6833ea894fa8d44c@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611191836ia78d106m9f93d8843c489c33@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611191908y14c7bc1cqa7c4d36d72250795@mail.gmail.com> <45613352.6040708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43080f460611192114ifaacb6bie911bee2cdc7a8ed@mail.gmail.com> <4561BD5D.4060000@maltzen.net> <43080f460611200731o1f84d454o6833ea894fa8d44c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4561DA0F.5000001@maltzen.net> That's why we have a wiki and a mailing list. :-) The thing to know, which you may not since I don't think you were on the list yet at the time, is that monitor and control were only recently added to fl_teachertool; it used to be a real pain to make it work. And it was only shortly before that that Robert Arkiletian wrapped up the rather moribund pieces of teachertool in his fl/tk code and turned it into a easily useful tool. Just a couple years ago, there really wasn't any tool for client monitoring. You just happened to come in at the stage where it's mostly setup but not yet entirely automatic. New users' perspectives are very important to this project, and your point about having to guess as to whether everything is already setup is well taken. With that in mind, assuming you have now gotten it all working, I invite you to go to the wiki -- http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ -- and create a page documenting the problems you ran into and how you fixed them. Hopefully, and likely, this will help someone else later on. Petre Mel Wade wrote: > It would be helpful to know that there are additional steps... It would > be useful to have a readme that was placed on the root desktop or > someplace obvious so new people like me wouldn't be guessing... The > instructions on the web site are written from the perspective of a > manual install which in K12LTSP is really isn't... > > Mel > > On 11/20/06, *Petre Scheie* > wrote: > > fl_teachertool is installed by default in K12LTSP 5, and I assume > it's the same in > version 6, so you shouldn't have to install anything. It does work > out of the box, but > for a couple of features, monitoring and controlling the client > machines, there are some > additional steps related to password setting that have to be done > manually as root. > Short of somehow launching an interactive tool, which no one has yet > written, at the > server's first boot, I can't think of a simple way to automate > this. These manual steps > are few and easy and are listed on the fl_teachertool homepage. If > you'd like to write > a README.fl_teachertool pointing to those additional steps, perhaps > that could be > included in the Documentation folder on root's desktop. > > Petre > > Mel Wade wrote: > > This is all a bit confusing to me. I installed the > fl_teachertool, but > > evidently from what you are saying there are a number of undocumented > > configuration steps that must me made after > installation. Everything I > > heard was this was easy install and use, but I guess there is more. > > What else is unwritten? > > > > Mel > > > > On 11/19/06, *Eric Harrison* < eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > This works on my K12LTSP 6.0 server at work. > > > > I'll double check from a clean install tomorrow. > > > > > > > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men > do." - > > BF Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mel at melwade.com Mon Nov 20 17:30:30 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:30:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LSTP 6 and fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: <4561DA0F.5000001@maltzen.net> References: <43080f460611191836ia78d106m9f93d8843c489c33@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611191908y14c7bc1cqa7c4d36d72250795@mail.gmail.com> <45613352.6040708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43080f460611192114ifaacb6bie911bee2cdc7a8ed@mail.gmail.com> <4561BD5D.4060000@maltzen.net> <43080f460611200731o1f84d454o6833ea894fa8d44c@mail.gmail.com> <4561DA0F.5000001@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43080f460611200930q1b4fe331t8393c24b8311a79@mail.gmail.com> I'll be glad to add to the Wiki once I get things running... I'm still getting the 111 error. I'm currently running the tool on the console as root. The console is running in on VMware's Virutal Server. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 17:55:15 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:55:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 BETA6 (just about there!) In-Reply-To: <4561358F.2070908@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4561358F.2070908@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0611200955n1e1ae738i551f8c035b3a6eb0@mail.gmail.com> Is anybody else having problems with the "boot.iso" cd image not burning correctly? I've been unable to boot with it after making 2 attempts. On 11/19/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I made a couple more small changes. I missed disabling the software > update notification to all users (thanks for catching that Paul!). I > hopefully fixed the mess I made with the Mondo/Mindi packages (K12LTSP 4 > & 5 packages coming soon). > > This is lookin' pretty good to me. I would have named this one > release-candidate #1, but I need to do a little more testing. My goal is > to finish up the testing of this build tomorrow & rename this RC1 if I > don't find any show-stoppers. Then I'll let you guys bang on it over the > week (Thanks Giving holiday here in the US). If all is still well, these > will the final 6.0 release. > > -Eric > > BETA6 ISO images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > > BETA6 SO images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > > > BETA6 DVD images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, > Athlon, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . > > > BETA6 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ . > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From toddobryan at mac.com Mon Nov 20 18:39:05 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:39:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <45616957.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45616957.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <1164047945.9825.8.camel@200-8143-202-01.Jefferson.ketsds.net> I installed Edubuntu in my lab and it was very flaky...programs crashed, Gnome died, the system would stall during startup, etc. Not sure what was going on, but one of my students tried to trace it down and couldn't because he could never get a list of running processes at the time of the melt-down. In contrast, Ubuntu itself has been very stable, so I think I'm going to use Ubuntu for my thin client lab. Todd On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 08:37 -0600, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > I am currently using K12LTSP 5 and am curios as to how it compares to > ubuntu as a LTSP.? I have tried using edubuntu as a desktop, but it > seems I always have some flaky things happen (don't ask me what, I do > not remember). Can you guys/gals provide feedback on your experiences? From robark at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 18:57:49 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:57:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LSTP 6 and fl_teachertool In-Reply-To: <43080f460611200930q1b4fe331t8393c24b8311a79@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460611191836ia78d106m9f93d8843c489c33@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460611191908y14c7bc1cqa7c4d36d72250795@mail.gmail.com> <45613352.6040708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43080f460611192114ifaacb6bie911bee2cdc7a8ed@mail.gmail.com> <4561BD5D.4060000@maltzen.net> <43080f460611200731o1f84d454o6833ea894fa8d44c@mail.gmail.com> <4561DA0F.5000001@maltzen.net> <43080f460611200930q1b4fe331t8393c24b8311a79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/20/06, Mel Wade wrote: > I'll be glad to add to the Wiki once I get things running... I'm still > getting the 111 error. I'm currently running the tool on the console as > root. The console is running in on VMware's Virutal Server. Below is the specific instructions to enable the control/monitor features of fl_TT for K12LTSP 5.0 or later. These are not done by default for two reasons. One is that passwords are different for everbody. Two is that the x11vnc module is not required by people who are not using fl_TT. I'm not sure exactly how much resources loading the x11vnc module takes up on the client but why enable it if people are not going to use it. Therefore, Eric left it as an option. It's a one line edit. 1) Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and uncomment (remove the "#") from the following line: X4_MODULE_02 = vnc 2) Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this command as root user: /usr/bin/vncpasswd 3) Again as root user copy the password file into the ltsp-tree cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ 4) Important: Reboot your clients If you wish teachers who do not have root password to run fl_TT, then follow the instructions below. Setting Up Fl_TeacherTool to run with sudo: Step 1 Create a group for teachers using "system-config-users". For example 'teachers'. Then add that group to all the users who you wish to run fl_teachertool. Step 2 become root with $su - Then run "visudo". It's a special editor for the sudoers file. Add the following line to the end of the file using vi editing techniques %teachers ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/fl_teachertool make sure that it's not the last line (in other words: don't forget to hit enter) If you don't know vi then just goto the last line and hit the letter "i" for (insert) then type the above line, hit enter, then hit the escape key. Now type :wq (hit enter) this saves and exits. Step 3 If your fellow teachers are not comfortable typing "sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool" then add an alias in file .bashrc (notice it starts with a period) in the home directory of the people who will run the program like this # User specific aliases and functions alias teach='sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' Then they only have to type "teach" or alternatively put a launcher icon with the command sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool on their desktop Enjoy! > -- > > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 19:54:56 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:54:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool In-Reply-To: References: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 11/20/06, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > > > >As for Edubuntu, they have "Student Control Panel" which has many of the > >features of Fl_TeacherTool. Yes, this is why I have not ported fl_TeacherTool to Edubuntu. In addition, Edubuntu has strict requirements for apps being accepted. Namely, they prefer apps be coded in GTK+ not FLTK. GTK+ keeps the GNOME look and feel. > > > And was adopted as a spec for Fiesty (due in April) with much more > functionality. So....in essence working to adopt FL_Teachertool for > Ubuntu will be duplication of efforts already underway. I have read some of the spec for SCP https://wiki.edubuntu.org/StudentControlPanelCompletion and as far as I can tell the extra features which it will have are 1) enabling restrictions on users with pessulus 2) setting up a "group system" where only students who belong to a teacher will show up in the user list 3) Prettier GUI with icons beside processes 4) Plugin mechanism to make it easier to add other features Are there any other extra features in SCP? BTW I have been thinking about #2. This is required for schools with a powerful ltsp server running multiple classrooms. I don't think it's possible to do this properly without filtering by mac addresses. Imagine a student enrolled in 2 different IT classes in different blocks. If teacher Smith has the student in block A and teacher Jones has the student in block B then if the filtering system is simply based on groups, it will fail since he will show up in Smiths block B classlist. So, for the next version of Fl_TT, I thought of having a simple flat file with room #'s associated with MAC addesses. If I can poll and associate a mac address to an ip I can filter the list by reading the flat file. (Doesn't nmap do this?) The advantage of this solution is that if the labs are being used with generic logins (comp1, comp2, etc) it will still work. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 20 20:45:41 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:45:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 BETA6 (just about there!) In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0611200955n1e1ae738i551f8c035b3a6eb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4561358F.2070908@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <81e6a9bf0611200955n1e1ae738i551f8c035b3a6eb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456213F5.3020307@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jack Palmadesso wrote: > Is anybody else having problems with the "boot.iso" cd image not > burning correctly? I've been unable to boot with it after making 2 > attempts. > Odds are pretty good that it is a problem with 1) defective CDRs, 2) burned incorrectly, or 3) corrupt download. 1) I tend to buy the cheapest CDRs I can find when I'm using them for test installs (I can make a lot of coasters). I probably run into this issue more than most people do. 2) If I run into a problem such as a non-bootable image, I pop it back into the drive and take a look at it. More than once my freshly burned CDR will have "boot.iso" as the only file ;-) 3) The boot.iso in K12LTSP 6.0.0 is not modified, it is 100% identical to the FC6 boot.iso. A quick search didn't turn up wide-spread reports of such a problem with FC6. Here are the checksums, if you want to verify that yours are not corrupt: 32bit: 8da928a7f178c0d73acd4be62fbbbf73 boot.iso 64bit: d46b845e52fc615aefde648479debba0 boot.iso -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 20 20:59:03 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:59:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool In-Reply-To: References: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45621717.1080709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 11/20/06, David Trask wrote: >> "Support list for open source software in schools." >> writes: >> > >> >As for Edubuntu, they have "Student Control Panel" which has many of the >> >features of Fl_TeacherTool. > > Yes, this is why I have not ported fl_TeacherTool to Edubuntu. In > addition, Edubuntu has strict requirements for apps being accepted. > Namely, they prefer apps be coded in GTK+ not FLTK. GTK+ keeps the > GNOME look and feel. > >> >> >> And was adopted as a spec for Fiesty (due in April) with much more >> functionality. So....in essence working to adopt FL_Teachertool for >> Ubuntu will be duplication of efforts already underway. > > I have read some of the spec for SCP > https://wiki.edubuntu.org/StudentControlPanelCompletion > and as far as I can tell the extra features which it will have are > > 1) enabling restrictions on users with pessulus > 2) setting up a "group system" where only students who belong to a > teacher will show up in the user list > 3) Prettier GUI with icons beside processes > 4) Plugin mechanism to make it easier to add other features > > Are there any other extra features in SCP? > > BTW I have been thinking about #2. This is required for schools with a > powerful ltsp server running multiple classrooms. I don't think it's > possible to do this properly without filtering by mac addresses. > Imagine a student enrolled in 2 different IT classes in different > blocks. If teacher Smith has the student in block A and teacher Jones > has the student in block B then if the filtering system is simply > based on groups, it will fail since he will show up in Smiths block B > classlist. The simplest scenario I can think up off the top of my head is to allow each teacher to have multiple filters. "Period 1", "Period 2", "Math lab", etc. Perhaps it would be better to think of this as an "attendance list". The teacher creates an "attendance list" that contains all of the students for the class/period/room/or whatever makes sense to them. When the "attendance list" is selected, it pops open a window and the teacher then deselect/select students to match who is actually present in the class. When they select "Ok", we use that as the filter... > So, for the next version of Fl_TT, I thought of having a > simple flat file with room #'s associated with MAC addesses. If I can > poll and associate a mac address to an ip I can filter the list by > reading the flat file. (Doesn't nmap do this?) > The advantage of this solution is that if the labs are being used with > generic logins (comp1, comp2, etc) it will still work. > "/sbin/arp -n" will give you the mapping of IP address-to-MAC addresses. This would be useful to create a filter for a room or lab (i.e. "monitor the Reading Lab") -Eric From robark at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 23:53:26 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:53:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool In-Reply-To: <45621717.1080709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45621717.1080709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 11/20/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 11/20/06, David Trask wrote: > >> "Support list for open source software in schools." > >> writes: > >> > > >> >As for Edubuntu, they have "Student Control Panel" which has many of the > >> >features of Fl_TeacherTool. > > > > Yes, this is why I have not ported fl_TeacherTool to Edubuntu. In > > addition, Edubuntu has strict requirements for apps being accepted. > > Namely, they prefer apps be coded in GTK+ not FLTK. GTK+ keeps the > > GNOME look and feel. > > > >> > >> > >> And was adopted as a spec for Fiesty (due in April) with much more > >> functionality. So....in essence working to adopt FL_Teachertool for > >> Ubuntu will be duplication of efforts already underway. > > > > I have read some of the spec for SCP > > https://wiki.edubuntu.org/StudentControlPanelCompletion > > and as far as I can tell the extra features which it will have are > > > > 1) enabling restrictions on users with pessulus > > 2) setting up a "group system" where only students who belong to a > > teacher will show up in the user list > > 3) Prettier GUI with icons beside processes > > 4) Plugin mechanism to make it easier to add other features > > > > Are there any other extra features in SCP? > > > > BTW I have been thinking about #2. This is required for schools with a > > powerful ltsp server running multiple classrooms. I don't think it's > > possible to do this properly without filtering by mac addresses. > > Imagine a student enrolled in 2 different IT classes in different > > blocks. If teacher Smith has the student in block A and teacher Jones > > has the student in block B then if the filtering system is simply > > based on groups, it will fail since he will show up in Smiths block B > > classlist. > > > The simplest scenario I can think up off the top of my head is to allow > each teacher to have multiple filters. "Period 1", "Period 2", "Math > lab", etc. > > Perhaps it would be better to think of this as an "attendance list". The > teacher creates an "attendance list" that contains all of the students Yes, this was my initial thought also but I changed my mind as it has too many down sides. What if you get new students, or students drop the course? Who is going to maintain the list? Or create it? In addition, what if teachers bring in students who don't have usernames but use comp1, comp2 etc..? It won't work. I think the best solution is to create a list of mac addresses in a lab. Put this list in a flat file with room # (like this) room 306 some:mac: address some:other:mac:address etc.. rooom 307 some:mac: address some:other:mac:address etc... and have fl_TT read the file. When fl_TT initially comes up it list all students on the ltsp server. If you want only your room you type in your room number into the input box and click users. Boom, you only get the kids sitting in your lab. I can do this. Plus the only time you need to update/edit the mac address list is if you replace client computers/nic. > for the class/period/room/or whatever makes sense to them. When the > "attendance list" is selected, it pops open a window and the teacher > then deselect/select students to match who is actually present in the > class. When they select "Ok", we use that as the filter... > > > So, for the next version of Fl_TT, I thought of having a > > simple flat file with room #'s associated with MAC addesses. If I can > > poll and associate a mac address to an ip I can filter the list by > > reading the flat file. (Doesn't nmap do this?) > > The advantage of this solution is that if the labs are being used with > > generic logins (comp1, comp2, etc) it will still work. > > > > "/sbin/arp -n" will give you the mapping of IP address-to-MAC addresses. > > > This would be useful to create a filter for a room or lab (i.e. "monitor > the Reading Lab") > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Nov 21 01:08:06 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:08:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool In-Reply-To: References: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45621717.1080709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1164071286.5183.70.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 15:53 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Yes, this was my initial thought also but I changed my mind as it has > too many down sides. What if you get new students, or students drop > the course? Who is going to maintain the list? Or create it? In > addition, what if teachers bring in students who don't have usernames > but use comp1, comp2 etc..? It won't work. I think the best solution > is to create a list of mac addresses in a lab. Put this list in a flat > file with room # (like this) > > room 306 > some:mac: address > some:other:mac:address > etc.. > > rooom 307 > some:mac: address > some:other:mac:address > etc... > > and have fl_TT read the file. When fl_TT initially comes up it list > all students on the ltsp server. If you want only your room you type > in your room number into the input box and click users. Boom, you only > get the kids sitting in your lab. I can do this. Plus the only time > you need to update/edit the mac address list is if you replace client > computers/nic. Here is the scenario I am implementing (once it's finished the live, online devel/implement phase I'll post it to the wiki). 1. Each machine is named based on the room it it in: i.e. rm102sc12 means room 102 student computer 12 2. During individual student login I test for which machine they are on and use that to set the default printer (The printer in the classroom is named rm102pr01 or similar). 3. The FL_TeacherTool looks to see what host the student is using. The current version displays the IP address. I have changed it back to display the host name. All of my clients have unique hostnames set in /etc/hosts (I have a bit more mangling to do on the setup script and it will hit the wiki as well - post early, post often but don't post crap that takes a propellerhead to use :). 4. Now add the proposed new "filter button" to only display the hosts that match room number foo. If the process is not too complicated, it can be set as an environment variable on the teacher account and autodetected. (I am capturing the teacher machines and placing them in the same room with their students - new machines are likely to be dual boot WinXP Pro and PXE to Linux (YAY!!)) This eliminates creating a new MAC to hosts file and lets the DHCP process handle the settings (with a bit of hand holding) I have written a perl script (to be posted on the wiki in a week or so if it's not too large) that is used to capture the MAC address data from the dhcpd.leases file and convert it into static dhcp data for the dhcp-k12ltsp.conf file. It also handles network printers in the classroom as well as windows teachers machines that must the static NAT for remote access from the central office. I also have a rather specialized bash script that finds the MAC address for the server NICs and sets them up for use (6 NICs per server, 2 types of servers, 100+ thin clients per server) that is geared very specifically for the current install process. This was written because we ran into a nasty problem of NICs renumbering themselves during reboots or restarts (eth0 becomes eth3, etc). BTW: I had an exhibitors booth at the Georgia Educational Technology Conference. We were very excited to see the number of schools that are implementing Linux in many forms and uses. The teachers (many!) that got to play with TeacherTool were nearly drooling! They saw that it replaced the smartboards using the Broadcast feature and just adding a Wacom (or cheaper) pen tablet to the teacher desk. The part they liked to most was the ability to lock the screen when the student was supposed to be doing something else. a side note on teachertool: a teacher asked if it was possible to have voice chat with a selected student to do a one-on-one coaching session using the Control tools. I see the sound stuff is there but we need a way to implement a headset that links through ESD sockets to a remote user and then back to the teacher machine. That would be a killer-ap!!! -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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Edward Thailand From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 21 02:07:38 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:07:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on how to add gnome menus in ICEwm In-Reply-To: <45625BB4.10407@cscoms.com> References: <45625BB4.10407@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <45625F6A.1030000@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Edwardson wrote: > Hi, > > I did an upgrade of my K12-5 to K12-6Beta5 and it's working fine with > some minor problems. Anyway, my question is how do i add gnome menus in > Icewm? Since i used k125 i didn't have success in adding gnome menus in > ICEWM. I'm not much of an expert on IceWM, hopefully someone more experienced will be able to answer in detail. Make sure that the "icewm-menus-gnome2" package is installed. > > Bug Reporting: As i mentioned im testing K12-v6, how can i report bugs? I prefer if people post them here to the list. If you need to make a private bug report, you can email me directly. > Thanks in advance for helping. > Thanks in advance for the bug report ;-) -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 21 02:11:19 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:11:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool In-Reply-To: References: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45621717.1080709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45626047.4050400@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 11/20/06, Eric Harrison wrote: >> Perhaps it would be better to think of this as an "attendance list". The >> teacher creates an "attendance list" that contains all of the students > > Yes, this was my initial thought also but I changed my mind as it has > too many down sides. Why not do both? Depending on the situation, one will be preferable over the other... -Eric From dhhoward at comcast.net Tue Nov 21 02:21:48 2006 From: dhhoward at comcast.net (Daniel Howard) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:21:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Feedback from Georgia Educational Technology Conference and a thought Message-ID: <456262BC.6090900@comcast.net> Open Source Folk, This past week, I gave a talk at the Georgia ETC on Open Source software for schools, and highlighted the Brandon story in particular. Here's my abstract: Session: 190 Title: Reviving Your Older Technology Using Linux Thin Client Software Presenter: Daniel Howard, Georgia Open Source Education Foundation Learn how older computers can be set up as high-performance, virus-free thin client workstations using the K12LTSP Free Open Source Software package (FOSS). The package includes the Linux operating system and dozens of software applications ranging from kindergarten to high school years and beyond, with an emphasis on math, science, and reading. Participants will learn how to freely obtain and install the software, configure their older school PCs as thin clients, and explore the new educational software applications included in the package. Participants will be given a set of installation disks at the end of the workshop, as well as a CD ROM they can use on their own computers that demonstrates how easy Linux and the new educational software applications are to use. And here's a link to the other sessions: http://www.gaetc.org/sessions06/1sessions06.htm I was pleasantly surprised to discover that there were more sessions on Open Source than I predicted (about 15), everything from using Knoppix for fixing Win XP machines(!) to Open Source email and web filtering/security solutions for schools. Every session I attended, and mine, were nicely populated, and as we would expect, there were a lot of schools with old PCs that were not being used due to viruses, bad hard drives, etc. I gave out Knoppix and WinOSS CDs, and K12LTSP DVDs to my attendees, plus we gave out disks at the booth that Jim Kinney set up, where he had a bunch of laptops and new thin clients (including the NTAVOs) on display for folks to play with the software. All in all, a great success, and the buzz about Open Source is definitely getting out here in Georgia. Based on some of the questions I got from school IT and CIO folk, I'd like to pose the following question for our group: Can we put together a complete Open Source solution for schools? We could use both a classroom server model, as well as an enterprise model (fewer, more powerful servers in the MDF/IDF and Gigabit links to classrooms), but I want to include whatever servers and software would be required for all other school functions, including administrative, grading (OpenAdmin), email, web portal/wiki, client support/tracking (Nagios?), etc. Consider the question this way: If a brand new school/district came to us and asked for a complete, turnkey Open Source solution (assuming we got them a Linux consultant to integrate everything), what would we recommend? On a satisfactory note, William just discovered that the SmartBoard interactive whiteboards from Smart Technologies have a Linux version of their software...the revolution continues. Best regards, Daniel -- Daniel Howard President and CEO Georgia Open Source Education Foundation From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 02:40:45 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:10:45 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] [FOLLOW UP] Re: Anyone tried this thinclient? In-Reply-To: <774593a20611112058r62f6157fj38367967d343799f@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20611100548o7c728075n30873d85c055e7f5@mail.gmail.com> <14962155.396281163170162876.JavaMail.root@io.gouldacademy.org> <774593a20611101811m5eabdce6o1b451429b7ef1d4e@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560611111434r3a1e20e5p91169a55b0d1a4b7@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20611112058r62f6157fj38367967d343799f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20611201840j697f00acp9ab475fdc616bb6b@mail.gmail.com> For those interested I have posted few pictures of MicroJr thin client at flickr http://flickr.com/photos/84518106 at N00/sets/72157594385161499/ -- Regards, Sudev Barar From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Nov 21 04:17:19 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:17:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool In-Reply-To: References: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> < > <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > Message-ID: "Robert Arkiletian" writes: >BTW I have been thinking about #2. This is required for schools with a >powerful ltsp server running multiple classrooms. I don't think it's >possible to do this properly without filtering by mac addresses. >Imagine a student enrolled in 2 different IT classes in different >blocks. If teacher Smith has the student in block A and teacher Jones >has the student in block B then if the filtering system is simply >based on groups, it will fail since he will show up in Smiths block B >classlist. So, for the next version of Fl_TT, I thought of having a >simple flat file with room #'s associated with MAC addesses. If I can >poll and associate a mac address to an ip I can filter the list by >reading the flat file. (Doesn't nmap do this?) >The advantage of this solution is that if the labs are being used with >generic logins (comp1, comp2, etc) it will still work. I'm under the impression that this might be able to integrate with LDAP. LDAP will become the default authentication mechanism for Edubuntu. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 21 04:06:10 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:06:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool In-Reply-To: <45626047.4050400@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45621717.1080709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45626047.4050400@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45627B32.5030305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On 11/20/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > >>> Perhaps it would be better to think of this as an "attendance list". The >>> teacher creates an "attendance list" that contains all of the students >> >> Yes, this was my initial thought also but I changed my mind as it has >> too many down sides. > > > Why not do both? Depending on the situation, one will be preferable over > the other... > Back from dinner... here is a bit more verbose description of what I had in mind ;-) I see several different ways it would be useful to get a list of users: 1) get a list of all users that are logged in (current method) 2) get a list of users logged in by location (the terminal MAC address method) 3) get a list of users logged in by group (such as "getent group $GROUP | cut -d: -f4") 4) a list of users (picked from "getent passwd | cut -d: -f1" ?) For #2 & #3, there could be a "add more users" button that calls #4 Each user can save their filters/lists, i.e. Mrs. Smith can create and save her own "Math" filter that includes all users in the math group, an "English tutoring" filter that includes jdoe, ksmith, and gbush, etc, etc. Maybe even allowing combining rules and also allowing negation (i.e. users in the "math" group, but not currently logged into the "reading" lab, plus jdoe and ksmith) Oh, and make it all very easy to use, allow arbitrarily complex filters, and have a compact, simple interface - preferably just a single button that does all of this. ;-) -Eric From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Nov 21 11:25:47 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 06:25:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool In-Reply-To: References: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> < > <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > Message-ID: <2197.76.179.82.249.1164108347.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> easy enough to write a schema to incorporate Any kind of info you might want to query..chuck > "Robert Arkiletian" writes: >>BTW I have been thinking about #2. This is required for schools with a >>powerful ltsp server running multiple classrooms. I don't think it's >>possible to do this properly without filtering by mac addresses. >>Imagine a student enrolled in 2 different IT classes in different >>blocks. If teacher Smith has the student in block A and teacher Jones >>has the student in block B then if the filtering system is simply >>based on groups, it will fail since he will show up in Smiths block B >>classlist. So, for the next version of Fl_TT, I thought of having a >>simple flat file with room #'s associated with MAC addesses. If I can >>poll and associate a mac address to an ip I can filter the list by >>reading the flat file. (Doesn't nmap do this?) >>The advantage of this solution is that if the labs are being used with >>generic logins (comp1, comp2, etc) it will still work. > > > I'm under the impression that this might be able to integrate with LDAP. > LDAP will become the default authentication mechanism for Edubuntu. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 21 14:26:40 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:26:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] [FOLLOW UP] Re: Anyone tried this thinclient? In-Reply-To: <774593a20611201840j697f00acp9ab475fdc616bb6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20611100548o7c728075n30873d85c055e7f5@mail.gmail.com> <14962155.396281163170162876.JavaMail.root@io.gouldacademy.org> <774593a20611101811m5eabdce6o1b451429b7ef1d4e@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560611111434r3a1e20e5p91169a55b0d1a4b7@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20611112058r62f6157fj38367967d343799f@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20611201840j697f00acp9ab475fdc616bb6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45630CA0.9030906@maltzen.net> Have you tested the sound on it? Petre Sudev Barar wrote: > For those interested I have posted few pictures of MicroJr thin client > at flickr > http://flickr.com/photos/84518106 at N00/sets/72157594385161499/ > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 21 14:57:09 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:57:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Posting files to the wiki? Message-ID: <456313C5.4030905@maltzen.net> Near as I can tell, the K12LTSP wiki (phpwiki) has no provision for posting & hosting of files. Is this correct? (I really hope I'm wrong.) The GDM that ships with FC5 is broken, such that autologin does not work correctly. Over on the LTSP mailing list, Andrew Ziem posted a GDM package that is patched to fix the problem. My intent is to write a page on the K12LTSP wiki explaining how to setup autologin, and which contains the patched GDM RPM file. While I could simply post a link to wherever the file is externally hosted, I think we can see the long-term problem with that approach in DaGeek's various How-To's on the front page. If nothing else, I'll post the RPM file to the LTSP wiki and link to that, but I'd like to have it all self-contained on the K12LTSP wiki if possible. Petre From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 15:13:11 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:43:11 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] [FOLLOW UP] Re: Anyone tried this thinclient? In-Reply-To: <45630CA0.9030906@maltzen.net> References: <774593a20611100548o7c728075n30873d85c055e7f5@mail.gmail.com> <14962155.396281163170162876.JavaMail.root@io.gouldacademy.org> <774593a20611101811m5eabdce6o1b451429b7ef1d4e@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560611111434r3a1e20e5p91169a55b0d1a4b7@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20611112058r62f6157fj38367967d343799f@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20611201840j697f00acp9ab475fdc616bb6b@mail.gmail.com> <45630CA0.9030906@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a20611210713m1d1febabj8cf8e554685bc42d@mail.gmail.com> On 21/11/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > Have you tested the sound on it? > > Petre No not yet. Although it does have sound I/O jacks. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From mellax at pm.ee Tue Nov 21 15:13:08 2006 From: mellax at pm.ee (Mella) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:13:08 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP FC5 server + Edubuntu 6.06.1 LTS server = No boot In-Reply-To: <20061119170018.D9C78734EC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061119170018.D9C78734EC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <45631784.9020405@pm.ee> Hello! I'm trying put together FC5 and Edubuntu but no success. Separately, if server is only DHCP server in network, all seems OK. IBM T21 client boot to Edubuntu perfectly. If I shut down this dhcp service and add specific workstation section to FC5 server's dhcp conf, client stops in the mid of boot. I see graphical Edubuntu bootup, then "configuring LTSP", then come messages (see below) an after that i see blank screen with cursor in upper left corner. And that's it. If I try put together 2xFC5 servers with one DHCP server, all working OK. I don't have ideas how continue. dhcp ws section in FC server: host ws192 { next-server 192.168.1.13; # Edubuntu server ip hardware ethernet 00:03:47:0f:cc:9f; fixed-address 192.168.1.192; filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; } Message before blank screen: Setting up LTSP client WARNING: /var/cache/man does not exist WARNING: /etc/hotplug/.run does not exist WARNING: /var/lib/xfree86 does not exist xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.xxxxxxxx um: Read-only file system * INIT: Entering runlevel: 2 [OK] * Starting LTSP client... [OK] Starting NBD client process: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 21 15:44:38 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:44:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP FC5 server + Edubuntu 6.06.1 LTS server = No boot In-Reply-To: <45631784.9020405@pm.ee> References: <20061119170018.D9C78734EC@hormel.redhat.com> <45631784.9020405@pm.ee> Message-ID: <20061121153950.M56735@winonacotter.org> My guess is that the Edubuntu server is based off of the project Muekow LTSP implementation and that the FC5 server is based off the old fashioned LTSP methods. I'll bet that the boot process for the two is different and that is why a single dhcp server is not working for both. I am not familiar the particulars of each method, but I think this would be a good place to start. On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:13:08 +0200, Mella wrote > Hello! > > I'm trying put together FC5 and Edubuntu but no success. > Separately, if server is only DHCP server in network, all seems OK. > IBM T21 client boot to Edubuntu perfectly. If I shut down this dhcp > service and add specific workstation section to FC5 server's dhcp > conf, client stops in the mid of boot. > > I see graphical Edubuntu bootup, then "configuring LTSP", then come > messages (see below) an after that i see blank screen with cursor in > upper left corner. And that's it. > > If I try put together 2xFC5 servers with one DHCP server, all > working OK. > > I don't have ideas how continue. > > dhcp ws section in FC server: > > host ws192 { > next-server 192.168.1.13; # Edubuntu server ip > hardware ethernet 00:03:47:0f:cc:9f; > fixed-address 192.168.1.192; > filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; > option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; > > } > > Message before blank screen: > > Setting up LTSP client > WARNING: /var/cache/man does not exist > WARNING: /etc/hotplug/.run does not exist > WARNING: /var/lib/xfree86 does not exist > xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised > configuration file; > backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.xxxxxxxx > um: Read-only file system > * INIT: Entering runlevel: 2 [OK] > * Starting LTSP client... [OK] > Starting NBD client process: > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 21 16:46:15 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:46:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum hangs after checking extras repo Message-ID: <45632D57.7010401@maltzen.net> I'm trying to install a package with yum, but when I run any yum command--e.g., yum list available, yum install gconf-editor--after it reads the repo metadata for extras, saying it added 5694 new packages, it just hangs. I've tried it a few times, running 'yum clean all' in between, but to no avail. I think it's something on this particular box, because running it on a different server it works just fine. Suggestions? Petre From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 21 17:39:25 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:39:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum hangs after checking extras repo In-Reply-To: <45632D57.7010401@maltzen.net> References: <45632D57.7010401@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <456339CD.30205@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > I'm trying to install a package with yum, but when I run any yum > command--e.g., yum list available, yum install gconf-editor--after it > reads the repo metadata for extras, saying it added 5694 new packages, > it just hangs. I've tried it a few times, running 'yum clean all' in > between, but to no avail. I think it's something on this particular > box, because running it on a different server it works just fine. > Suggestions? > > Petre > 'yum clean all' should fix any type of corruption with yum-specific files. Perhaps it is a problem with rpm? (yum uses rpm on the backend) When anything screwy happens with rpm, I first remove /var/lib/rpm/__db.00* (temporary transaction databases) rm /var/lib/rpm/__db.00* If that doesn't fix it, I rebuild the rpm database: rpm --rebuilddb -Eric From robark at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 18:01:11 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:01:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachers_Tool In-Reply-To: <45627B32.5030305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <774593a20611191837t222a9d94v6624ef81de093ba9@mail.gmail.com> <4561303B.1020801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45621717.1080709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45626047.4050400@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45627B32.5030305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 11/20/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> On 11/20/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >>> Perhaps it would be better to think of this as an "attendance list". The > >>> teacher creates an "attendance list" that contains all of the students > >> > >> Yes, this was my initial thought also but I changed my mind as it has > >> too many down sides. > > > > > > Why not do both? Depending on the situation, one will be preferable over > > the other... > > > > Back from dinner... here is a bit more verbose description of what I had > in mind ;-) > > I see several different ways it would be useful to get a list of users: > > 1) get a list of all users that are logged in (current method) > > 2) get a list of users logged in by location (the terminal MAC address > method) > > 3) get a list of users logged in by group (such as "getent group $GROUP > | cut -d: -f4") > > 4) a list of users (picked from "getent passwd | cut -d: -f1" ?) > > > For #2 & #3, there could be a "add more users" button that calls #4 > > Each user can save their filters/lists, i.e. Mrs. Smith can create and > save her own "Math" filter that includes all users in the math group, an > "English tutoring" filter that includes jdoe, ksmith, and gbush, etc, > etc. Maybe even allowing combining rules and also allowing negation > (i.e. users in the "math" group, but not currently logged into the > "reading" lab, plus jdoe and ksmith) The requests for additional features I have gotten in the past have been for #2. Let me try to get #2 working and test that first I don't want to make too many changes all at once. Incremental steps make debugging much easier. Once I get #2 working I'll post the source so people can test it. > > Oh, and make it all very easy to use, allow arbitrarily complex filters, > and have a compact, simple interface - preferably just a single button > that does all of this. ;-) You forgot to add the ability to transfer raw electro quantum knowledge through reverse mouse osmosis to students cerebrums at 100Mbs. That would be a killer app! Maybe even literally. ;) > > -Eric > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From mel at melwade.com Tue Nov 21 18:21:53 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:21:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 BETA6 (just about there!) In-Reply-To: <4561358F.2070908@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4561358F.2070908@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43080f460611211021l6cd31f01q1f0411034a1d0687@mail.gmail.com> Is there anything special we need to do to update a Beta 5 install to this version? On 11/19/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > I made a couple more small changes. I missed disabling the software > update notification to all users (thanks for catching that Paul!). I > hopefully fixed the mess I made with the Mondo/Mindi packages (K12LTSP 4 > & 5 packages coming soon). > > This is lookin' pretty good to me. I would have named this one > release-candidate #1, but I need to do a little more testing. My goal is > to finish up the testing of this build tomorrow & rename this RC1 if I > don't find any show-stoppers. Then I'll let you guys bang on it over the > week (Thanks Giving holiday here in the US). If all is still well, these > will the final 6.0 release. > > -Eric > > BETA6 ISO images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > > BETA6 SO images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > > > BETA6 DVD images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, > Athlon, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . > > > BETA6 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ . > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 21 18:25:53 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:25:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum hangs after checking extras repo In-Reply-To: <456339CD.30205@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45632D57.7010401@maltzen.net> <456339CD.30205@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <456344B1.1020600@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: >> I'm trying to install a package with yum, but when I run any yum >> command--e.g., yum list available, yum install gconf-editor--after it >> reads the repo metadata for extras, saying it added 5694 new packages, >> it just hangs. I've tried it a few times, running 'yum clean all' in >> between, but to no avail. I think it's something on this particular >> box, because running it on a different server it works just fine. >> Suggestions? >> >> Petre >> > > 'yum clean all' should fix any type of corruption with yum-specific > files. Perhaps it is a problem with rpm? (yum uses rpm on the backend) > > > When anything screwy happens with rpm, I first remove > /var/lib/rpm/__db.00* (temporary transaction databases) > > rm /var/lib/rpm/__db.00* > > If that doesn't fix it, I rebuild the rpm database: > > rpm --rebuilddb > > > > -Eric > Removing the /var/lib/rpm/__db.00* files fixed the problem. Thanks, Eric. Petre From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 21 18:27:22 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:27:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 BETA6 (just about there!) In-Reply-To: <43080f460611211021l6cd31f01q1f0411034a1d0687@mail.gmail.com> References: <4561358F.2070908@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43080f460611211021l6cd31f01q1f0411034a1d0687@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4563450A.8090605@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Mel Wade wrote: > Is there anything special we need to do to update a Beta 5 install to this > version? Nope. If you have Beta 5 installed, just run "yum update" ... -Eric > On 11/19/06, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> >> I made a couple more small changes. I missed disabling the software >> update notification to all users (thanks for catching that Paul!). I >> hopefully fixed the mess I made with the Mondo/Mindi packages (K12LTSP 4 >> & 5 packages coming soon). >> >> This is lookin' pretty good to me. I would have named this one >> release-candidate #1, but I need to do a little more testing. My goal is >> to finish up the testing of this build tomorrow & rename this RC1 if I >> don't find any show-stoppers. Then I'll let you guys bang on it over the >> week (Thanks Giving holiday here in the US). If all is still well, these >> will the final 6.0 release. >> >> -Eric >> >> BETA6 ISO images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ >> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ . >> >> >> BETA6 SO images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ >> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ . >> >> >> >> >> BETA6 DVD images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, >> Athlon, etc) >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ >> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . >> >> >> BETA6 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ >> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ . >> >> >> From djaques at corbett.k12.or.us Tue Nov 21 20:50:04 2006 From: djaques at corbett.k12.or.us (Derek Jaques) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:50:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients Not booting Message-ID: <4563667C.9010701@corbett.k12.or.us> Hello all, Just wondering if anyone has any ideas. I purchased (30) 6030p thin clients from DevonIT. I am currently working with DevonIT to attempt to fix the problem, but we seem to be a little stumped. They had me flash the bios to an older version, but that has not seemed to do anything. I get a TFTP time out error. Here is the message the client gives me: Client MAC ADDR: 00 14 85 DE B3 9F GUID:FFFFFFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF Client IP: 10.37.5.157 MASK: 255.255.0.0 DHCP IP: 198.236.71.35 Gateway IP: 10.37.1.1 PXE-E32: TFTP open time out TFTP... Any ideas? Thank you in advance. Derek Jaques Corbett School District From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 21 21:04:03 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:04:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients Not booting In-Reply-To: <4563667C.9010701@corbett.k12.or.us> References: <4563667C.9010701@corbett.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <456369C3.8080606@maltzen.net> Try going to the #ltsp channel on IRC (irc.freenode.net) and asking there. Petre Derek Jaques wrote: > Hello all, > > Just wondering if anyone has any ideas. I purchased (30) 6030p thin > clients from DevonIT. I am currently working with DevonIT to attempt to > fix the problem, but we seem to be a little stumped. They had me flash > the bios to an older version, but that has not seemed to do anything. I > get a TFTP time out error. Here is the message the client gives me: > > > Client MAC ADDR: 00 14 85 DE B3 9F GUID:FFFFFFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF > Client IP: 10.37.5.157 MASK: 255.255.0.0 DHCP IP: 198.236.71.35 > Gateway IP: 10.37.1.1 > PXE-E32: TFTP open time out > TFTP... > > > Any ideas? > > > Thank you in advance. > > > Derek Jaques > Corbett School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 21 22:07:44 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:07:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 BETA7: small fix for upgrading from FC4 64bit Message-ID: <456378B0.80602@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I found a bug when upgrading from Fedora Core 4 64bit to K12LTSP 6.0.0 64bit. The 32bit version was not affected. The only other change was including the latest official patches that came out since the previous build. -Eric BETA7 ISO images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ . BETA7 SO images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ . BETA7 DVD images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . BETA7 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ . From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 22:38:37 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:38:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients Not booting In-Reply-To: <4563667C.9010701@corbett.k12.or.us> References: <4563667C.9010701@corbett.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200611211838.37481.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Tuesday 21 November 2006 16:50, Derek Jaques wrote: > Hello all, > > Just wondering if anyone has any ideas. I purchased (30) 6030p thin > clients from DevonIT. I am currently working with DevonIT to attempt to > fix the problem, but we seem to be a little stumped. They had me flash > the bios to an older version, but that has not seemed to do anything. I > get a TFTP time out error. Here is the message the client gives me: > > > Client MAC ADDR: 00 14 85 DE B3 9F GUID:FFFFFFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF > Client IP: 10.37.5.157 MASK: 255.255.0.0 DHCP IP: 198.236.71.35 > Gateway IP: 10.37.1.1 > PXE-E32: TFTP open time out > TFTP... > > > Any ideas? > Your clients are on net 10.37 but your server is on 198.236.71. This means there is a router in between. How many hops in between (what kind of latency is involved)? Are there any other clients that are working with the same information (routes etc.)? I assume that the tftp server is the same as the dhcp server or that the "next server" value is set. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com Wed Nov 22 00:36:14 2006 From: bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:36:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need your help, PLEASE! Message-ID: <45639B7E.8060601@mchsi.com> Greetings, This is a continuation of my thread that I started last week. Can someone please try the following on FC5 or FC6 and tell me their results: compile from source code ncpfs, version 2.2.6, located here: ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/linux/ncpfs/ncpfs-2.2.6.tar.gz or get the source rpm and rebuild, using rpmbuild like this: rpmbuild --bb --clean ncpfs.spec using the following rpm: ftp://ftp.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/6/source/SRPMS/ncpfs-2.2.6-5.src.rpm I have spent hours trying to get this to work on Fedora, because the Fedora package, by default, does not have PAM support built-in. I can compile the source fine on Ubuntu, using gcc3.3, but I am at a total loss as to why I cannot compile on Fedora. I have tried gcc4, gcc34, gcc33, gcc32 on Fedora, so I'm at the end of my rope! If someone can try this, then point me in the right direction that would be great. In order to build from source, simply include ./configure --enable-pam --disable-ipx --disable-ipx-tools. If rebuilding the rpm file, you have to edit the spec file, after issuing an rpm -i nameoffile.rpm, then update the spec file to include --enable-pam. PAM headers must also be installed. I am dying to deploy LTSP in our district, and currently this is the only thing that is stopping me. I have to be able to authenticate to our Novell servers, or at least know that I can continue to compile the source code down the road on future version of LTSP. Thanks for any help anyone can provide, and if you have further questions, post them and I'll answer as best as I can. Thanks, Brad From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Nov 22 01:32:57 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:32:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can send, but not receive, emails from clients Message-ID: <4563A8C9.7030101@snarlnet.com> Hi Folks, I mentioned this a while back, but after a complete fresh upgrade (install on new server) to K12ltsp 5.0.0 I'm still having this crazy problem. I can set up my own personal email account in Thunderbird on the client. I can send email, but I can't receive it. I'm using all the same settings that work on my Win2K workstation on the same LAN and it doesn't work. I've tried dropping the firewall completely on the k12ltsp box and it still doesn't work. Has anyone heard of this problem or know how to fix it? One thing that's really wierd with T-Bird is that there's not really any clear place to put the password and it never asks me for one when I try to check my email. There's no error message or anything. What's a procedure to troubleshoot this. I've tried other email programs (2 of them) on the client and I have the same problem. Does my login password on the client need to be the same as the login for my email server? I tried calling my ISP for tech support, linux is not supported and thin clients are literally unheard of. This is driving me crazy AND making me feel like an idiot. Does anyone have any ideas? ck From caldodge at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 03:14:48 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:14:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] I need your help, PLEASE! In-Reply-To: <45639B7E.8060601@mchsi.com> References: <45639B7E.8060601@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0611211914u7f67527cyd34833d653590cac@mail.gmail.com> On 11/21/06, Brad Johnson wrote: > Greetings, > > This is a continuation of my thread that I started last week. Can > someone please try the following on FC5 or FC6 and tell me their results: > > compile from source code ncpfs, version 2.2.6, located here: > ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/linux/ncpfs/ncpfs-2.2.6.tar.gz > > or get the source rpm and rebuild, using rpmbuild like this: > rpmbuild --bb --clean ncpfs.spec > using the following rpm: > ftp://ftp.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/6/source/SRPMS/ncpfs-2.2.6-5.src.rpm I went the RPM route. I found two apparent problems with the files, and _had_ to leave in the ipx stuff (one of the make files was expecting various ipx directories, and bombing out when it didn't find them). Anyway, I made the following changes: 1) in sutil/ncpm_common.c I added the following lines: #ifndef offsetof #define offsetof(type,ident) ((size_t)&(((type*)0)->ident)) #endif 2) in contrib/pam/pam_ncp_auth.c I added: #include The code then compiled, and left its rpms for me to install. Does it work? I don't know, since I have no Netware servers on hand to test it with (haven't touched one since 2000). I hope this helps you. Calvin From bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com Wed Nov 22 03:18:51 2006 From: bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:18:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need your help, PLEASE! In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0611211914u7f67527cyd34833d653590cac@mail.gmail.com> References: <45639B7E.8060601@mchsi.com> <824a5f7a0611211914u7f67527cyd34833d653590cac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4563C19B.2070500@mchsi.com> Calvin Dodge wrote: > On 11/21/06, Brad Johnson wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> This is a continuation of my thread that I started last week. Can >> someone please try the following on FC5 or FC6 and tell me their >> results: >> >> compile from source code ncpfs, version 2.2.6, located here: >> ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/linux/ncpfs/ncpfs-2.2.6.tar.gz >> >> or get the source rpm and rebuild, using rpmbuild like this: >> rpmbuild --bb --clean ncpfs.spec >> using the following rpm: >> ftp://ftp.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/6/source/SRPMS/ncpfs-2.2.6-5.src.rpm >> > > I went the RPM route. > > I found two apparent problems with the files, and _had_ to leave in > the ipx stuff (one of the make files was expecting various ipx > directories, and bombing out when it didn't find them). > > Anyway, I made the following changes: > > 1) in sutil/ncpm_common.c I added the following lines: > > #ifndef offsetof > #define offsetof(type,ident) ((size_t)&(((type*)0)->ident)) > #endif > > 2) in contrib/pam/pam_ncp_auth.c I added: > > #include > > > The code then compiled, and left its rpms for me to install. Does it > work? I don't know, since I have no Netware servers on hand to test it > with (haven't touched one since 2000). > > I hope this helps you. > > Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Thanks Calvin! I'll give it a go tomorrow morning at work and report my results. Thanks! Brad From bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com Wed Nov 22 03:21:33 2006 From: bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:21:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need your help, PLEASE! In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0611211914u7f67527cyd34833d653590cac@mail.gmail.com> References: <45639B7E.8060601@mchsi.com> <824a5f7a0611211914u7f67527cyd34833d653590cac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4563C23D.2090606@mchsi.com> Calvin Dodge wrote: > On 11/21/06, Brad Johnson wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> This is a continuation of my thread that I started last week. Can >> someone please try the following on FC5 or FC6 and tell me their >> results: >> >> compile from source code ncpfs, version 2.2.6, located here: >> ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/linux/ncpfs/ncpfs-2.2.6.tar.gz >> >> or get the source rpm and rebuild, using rpmbuild like this: >> rpmbuild --bb --clean ncpfs.spec >> using the following rpm: >> ftp://ftp.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/6/source/SRPMS/ncpfs-2.2.6-5.src.rpm >> > > I went the RPM route. > > I found two apparent problems with the files, and _had_ to leave in > the ipx stuff (one of the make files was expecting various ipx > directories, and bombing out when it didn't find them). > > Anyway, I made the following changes: > > 1) in sutil/ncpm_common.c I added the following lines: > > #ifndef offsetof > #define offsetof(type,ident) ((size_t)&(((type*)0)->ident)) > #endif > > 2) in contrib/pam/pam_ncp_auth.c I added: > > #include > > > The code then compiled, and left its rpms for me to install. Does it > work? I don't know, since I have no Netware servers on hand to test it > with (haven't touched one since 2000). > > I hope this helps you. > > Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > One more question, Calvin. Are you using gcc4x? From caldodge at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 04:12:56 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:12:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] I need your help, PLEASE! In-Reply-To: <4563C23D.2090606@mchsi.com> References: <45639B7E.8060601@mchsi.com> <824a5f7a0611211914u7f67527cyd34833d653590cac@mail.gmail.com> <4563C23D.2090606@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0611212012w4d0b0949pcfafb121de73537f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/21/06, Brad Johnson wrote: > > > One more question, Calvin. Are you using gcc4x? Gcc 4.1.1 on Fedora Core 6. Calvin From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 22 04:47:56 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:47:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients Not booting In-Reply-To: <200611211838.37481.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <4563667C.9010701@corbett.k12.or.us> <200611211838.37481.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4563D67C.5030503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> John Lucas wrote: > On Tuesday 21 November 2006 16:50, Derek Jaques wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Just wondering if anyone has any ideas. I purchased (30) 6030p thin >> clients from DevonIT. I am currently working with DevonIT to attempt to >> fix the problem, but we seem to be a little stumped. They had me flash >> the bios to an older version, but that has not seemed to do anything. I >> get a TFTP time out error. Here is the message the client gives me: >> >> >> Client MAC ADDR: 00 14 85 DE B3 9F GUID:FFFFFFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF >> Client IP: 10.37.5.157 MASK: 255.255.0.0 DHCP IP: 198.236.71.35 >> Gateway IP: 10.37.1.1 >> PXE-E32: TFTP open time out >> TFTP... >> >> >> Any ideas? >> > > Your clients are on net 10.37 but your server is on 198.236.71. This means > there is a router in between. How many hops in between (what kind of latency > is involved)? Two hops between 198.236.71.x & 10.37.x.x, 0.527 ms latency. If I remember correctly, the fiber run is 50 miles between the two ;-) > Are there any other clients that are working with the same > information (routes etc.)? All the other terminals were working fine. > I assume that the tftp server is the same as the > dhcp server or that the "next server" value is set. The problem turned out to be that the PXE firmware was ignoring the "next-server" option, as such it was trying to fetch pxelinux.0 from the DHCP server rather than the LTSP server (centralized DHCP server on my network, the LTSP server is on Derek's network) I just copied over Derek's /tftpboot/lts/pxe to my DHCP server & turned on TFTP. Quick and dirty fix until the vendor sends him a patch ;-) -Eric From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Nov 22 12:21:50 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:21:50 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Can send, but not receive, emails from clients Message-ID: <32950.172.28.8.55.1164198110.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hi Carl, What are you using as your smtp and pop3 server? By default sendmail only allows 127.0.0.1 ( localhost). you have to delete the 127.0.0.1 in the sendmail M4 file then rebuild sendmail to receive emails externally. maybe give more details of your server setup, to pin it down? Can you remote desktop to an outside of your lan pc,then try to "telnet myserverip 110 & 25" (ports) to see if you get a response. Barry Cisna From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Nov 22 12:52:51 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:52:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Can send, but not receive, emails from clients Message-ID: <33532.172.28.8.55.1164199971.squirrel@172.28.8.55> catl, Forgot to mention. try using your ISP's server address in TBird. NOT your own email server. EG: " smtp . myispmailserver . net ". This should not effect your incoming mail,,though.lots of national isp's are blocking port 25 but usually this is outgoing port. DO you have this currently configured this way in TBird? You can setup Smart Host- directive via M4 config file in sendmail easily if this is the case. this let's your smtp server "pipe" your mail through their mailserver into,out of your mail server. Barry From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Wed Nov 22 15:39:21 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:39:21 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20I=20need=20your=20h?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?elp,=20PLEASE!?= In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0611212012w4d0b0949pcfafb121de73537f@mail.gmail.com> References: <45639B7E.8060601@mchsi.com> <824a5f7a0611211914u7f67527cyd34833d653590cac@mail.gmail.com> <4563C23D.2090606@mchsi.com> <824a5f7a0611212012w4d0b0949pcfafb121de73537f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456428D9020000BB00001771@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> If all else fail, my offer to upload ncpfs/ipxutils/pam_ncp_auth version 2.2.4-1 is still there. These work on Fedora 4 (k12ltsp 4.4.1). Guy Lessard Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais Qu?bec, Canada >>> "Calvin Dodge" 2006-11-21 23:12:56 >>> On 11/21/06, Brad Johnson wrote: > > > One more question, Calvin. Are you using gcc4x? Gcc 4.1.1 on Fedora Core 6. Calvin _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Chuck at Gelm.net Wed Nov 22 20:39:04 2006 From: Chuck at Gelm.net (Chuck Gelm) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:39:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 'Installing LSTP' mail list ? In-Reply-To: <20061122170020.316B17396C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061122170020.316B17396C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4564B568.2010900@Gelm.net> I am having difficulty fulfilling prerequisites and dependencies for LSTP v4.2 for Slackware v11.0. Is there a mail list where LSTP install problems may be discussed. Regards, Chuck From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 22 20:47:06 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:47:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 'Installing LSTP' mail list ? In-Reply-To: <4564B568.2010900@Gelm.net> References: <20061122170020.316B17396C@hormel.redhat.com> <4564B568.2010900@Gelm.net> Message-ID: <4564B74A.5070201@mesd.k12.or.us> Chuck Gelm wrote: > I am having difficulty fulfilling prerequisites and dependencies for > LSTP v4.2 for Slackware v11.0. Is there a mail list where > LSTP install problems may be discussed. https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Nov 22 23:50:23 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:50:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] 'Installing LSTP' mail list ? In-Reply-To: <4564B568.2010900@Gelm.net> References: <20061122170020.316B17396C@hormel.redhat.com> <4564B568.2010900@Gelm.net> Message-ID: <4130.76.179.82.249.1164239423.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> there is a little on slackware on wiki.ltsp.org..i dont know of any dev people using slack for ltsp..but you cana always use irc channel #ltsp on freenode.net Tremendous talent there if you can catch someone..chuck > I am having difficulty fulfilling prerequisites and dependencies for > LSTP v4.2 for Slackware v11.0. Is there a mail list where > LSTP install problems may be discussed. > > Regards, Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Nov 23 01:57:20 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:57:20 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress oo.o 2 files not saving Message-ID: When every we press the save button the program vanishes and the file is not saved. Any clues what could be wrong? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Nov 23 02:06:53 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:36:53 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress oo.o 2 files not saving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20611221806q37fba4a1u1bf69d613d4726cc@mail.gmail.com> On 23/11/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > When every we press the save button the program vanishes and the file is not > saved. Any clues what could be wrong? Toatlly a shot in the dark...in the traget directory where you are saving the file do you write permissions? -- Regards, Sudev Barar From bigjeep95 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 23 07:30:16 2006 From: bigjeep95 at hotmail.com (Casey Mynott) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:30:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British Columbia Message-ID: Hey all, I am trying to setup a bit of a Linux British Columbia, Canada site. Its purpose it just to see who's who and where they are using Linux. So, feel free to pass this on. ;) Check out this VERY simple site! http://www3.telus.net/mynott/linux_bc Casey Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:37:46 -0800From: robark at gmail.comTo: k12osn at redhat.comSubject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British Columbia On 11/6/06, Casey Mynott wrote: Hey Robert! FOSS alliance? Sounds like a revolution. Just kidding. In all seriousness, I think that is an awesome idea. I wonder what we would need to make that fly...???? Well for the moment simply knowing which schools are running Linux would be a help for all of us. Unfortunately, not everyone who is using Linux is on this list. So I suppose someone or some group would need to contact each district and inquire if any schools had implemented it. Casey Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:35:02 -0800From: robark at gmail.comTo: jim at linux.ca; k12osn at redhat.comSubject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP and K12LTSP in British Columbia CC: On 11/6/06, Jim Christiansen wrote: I've been absent from the list for a couple of months- just lurking sincegetting K12LTSP5 up on a number of boxes, and I want to bring everyone up todate. My school, Prince Charles Secondary, in Creston, is now running 3 K12LTSP servers with a total of about 120 thin clients. I deliver high-endCad and several other apps through crossover- everything else FOSS.A week or so ago my principal brought in a sub teacher for me and I went to visit Kamloops where EVERY elementary and middle school runs ltsp and highschools, I understand, have moved to ltsp or are moving over soon. Ivisited the IT Manager and head Tech there for several hours and was amazed how they ran each school. Hi Jim,I am from Vancouver BC. Glad to hear you are in Creston BC. I also know about Kamloops. They are the model district which we should all be following. Here is there Linux sitehttp://www.sd73.bc.ca/district-operations.php/page/linux-in-education/ Each school server runs linux with ltsp buried into a vserver. All higherfunctions run in the host- ltsp on the vserver. Their mail, fax, backups ... everything is linux. Several school homepage use Moodle with other schools moving their old home pages to a customized moodle. All schools useFreeNX for logons from home- so do I now!I'm still the only school in our district running K12LTSP. Last year, As am I. There is one other for Adult Ed. However, many of the private schools around Vancouver use Linux. sitting on the Tech Committee, in was told that Prince Charles Secondarywould be allowed to remain linux. Later I was told that we were being moved to windows... standardization... So much for committee decision. Our school is the only school to have fully functional computers EveryDay. Ournumber of computers is still growing in our school WITHOUT a budget... Our technician has said that there is no way our school would run as well as it dows it we used windows. We can't switch over to windows without Would your principal allow you to keep the labs? $100,000.00. A principal from nearby came to visit our school on twooccations last May to see how well our system worked. He arranged for me to purchase a server for K12LTSP and I scoped out 25 HPt5515 clients for 120 a piece- total price of under $4000.00. The lead teach found out- went tothe Superintendent -did I say our school district is millions in debt?? and stopped the linux lab from happening. THEN turned around and spent $30,000.00 on a windows lab instead... Oh well- end rant. I am curious if the lead tech or any of the lower techs have Linux/Unix skills? As we are still in debt Prince Charles Secondary won't move to windows. Weoffer so much with our system now it would take an army of technicians months to make the same things happen in windows and that is accordinbg to my local technician. Many have experienced similar situations. You are not alone. Don't give up. If you like send me your phone number privately and I'll call you. Maybe we can start an alliance for FOSS in Education in BC. If we can site X many teachers or schools using it in BC, then our voice will be stronger. Thanks everyone for an awesome system. Try out FreeNX!_________________________________________________________________ Not only does Windows Live? OneCare? provide all-in-one PC care to keep your computer protected and well-maintained, but it also makes creating backupfiles a breeze. 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DO you have this currently configured this way in TBird? >You can setup Smart Host- directive via M4 config file in sendmail easily >if this is the case. this let's your smtp server "pipe" your mail through >their mailserver into,out of your mail server. > >Barry > Hey Barry, Thanks for the ideas of things to try. I guess I forgot to mention that this is a straight to the ISP connection. I've set up my account on the thin client exactly like I would/did on my Win2K box. I have sendmail running so that I get nightly emails from my server, but I'm not [intentionally] doing trying to set up this email through the server's actual sendmail. 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URL: From bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com Thu Nov 23 13:48:40 2006 From: bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com (Brad Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:48:40 -0600 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Re=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_I_n?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?eed_your_help=2C_PLEASE!?= In-Reply-To: <456428D9020000BB00001771@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> References: <45639B7E.8060601@mchsi.com> <824a5f7a0611211914u7f67527cyd34833d653590cac@mail.gmail.com> <4563C23D.2090606@mchsi.com> <824a5f7a0611212012w4d0b0949pcfafb121de73537f@mail.gmail.com> <456428D9020000BB00001771@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Message-ID: <4565A6B8.4010607@mchsi.com> Thank you so much for the offer, but I did get it to recompile, thanks to Calvin's tips. Thanks Again! Brad Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > If all else fail, my offer to upload ncpfs/ipxutils/pam_ncp_auth > version 2.2.4-1 is still there. These work on Fedora 4 (k12ltsp 4.4.1). > > Guy Lessard > Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais > Qu?bec, Canada > > >>> "Calvin Dodge" 2006-11-21 23:12:56 >>> > On 11/21/06, Brad Johnson wrote: > > > > > One more question, Calvin. Are you using gcc4x? > > Gcc 4.1.1 on Fedora Core 6. > > Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.13/546 - Release Date: 11/22/2006 9:01 AM > From bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com Thu Nov 23 13:47:43 2006 From: bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com (Brad Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:47:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need your help, PLEASE! In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0611212012w4d0b0949pcfafb121de73537f@mail.gmail.com> References: <45639B7E.8060601@mchsi.com> <824a5f7a0611211914u7f67527cyd34833d653590cac@mail.gmail.com> <4563C23D.2090606@mchsi.com> <824a5f7a0611212012w4d0b0949pcfafb121de73537f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4565A67F.9030809@mchsi.com> Calvin Dodge wrote: > On 11/21/06, Brad Johnson wrote: >> > >> One more question, Calvin. Are you using gcc4x? > > Gcc 4.1.1 on Fedora Core 6. > > Calvin > > Thanks Calvin, your tips worked. I am now successfully authenticating > and mounting my netware homes in K12ltsp. I appreciate your quick > response and willingness to help! Brad From brcisna at eazylivin.net Thu Nov 23 15:00:14 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:00:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer can not bind to ldap server Message-ID: <46694.127.0.0.1.1164294014.squirrel@server1> Hello ALL, I have setup the latest smbldap-installer on a fresh install K12LTSp v5. Everything appeared to go fine via the install script. I then went to Matt Omquist site for more detailed info on post setup hwo to's. ** probelm(s): 1. When i do the /home setup per MaOmq homepage, to be mounted via nfs when i do the "mount -a" i get permission denied. 2. In webmin Ldap module i have in the module config: /etc/ldap.conf for ldap client. For ROOT ldap client password the default is set to /etc/ldap.secrets,,, This doe not exist. Where should i derive the Root ldap password from? (file name),So,, when i do a "validate Ldap server " button,I get the following error message. " Connecting to LDAP server .. .. connection failed : Failed to bind to LDAP server 127.0.0.1 as cn=nssldap,ou=DSA,dc=xyz,dc=net : No password, did you mean noauth or anonymous ? Does the above syntax look correct for the Root Ldap base, etc? Also when trying to join a windows xp client to this samba domain i get simply "Domain does not exist " error. Nothing shows up in samba logs on server pertaining to the client even trying to join. I can ping the server from the client no probs. I used Ethereal to try and determine were net_join_ fails but can not decypher Ethereal? Ideas? Thanks, Barry Cisna westcentral school From brcisna at eazylivin.net Thu Nov 23 15:14:00 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:14:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Can send, but not receive, emails from clients Message-ID: <48534.127.0.0.1.1164294840.squirrel@server1> Hi Carl, If you are wanting to do *ONLY* local delievery,when you went through the TBird setup wizard for your account,you would have to have selected "Local delivery".( To receive ONLY mail from your own server.) If you want to receive mail " from the outside world" for your domain, say,of course you do need to have a pop3 server running as well. If this is the case do a " nmap localhost" in a terminal- as root- to see of you have a port/110 = pop3 port running. If this is want you want use dovecot which is included in K12LTSP. Hope this helps a little... Barry Cisna From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Nov 23 15:26:05 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:26:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer can not bind to ldap server In-Reply-To: <46694.127.0.0.1.1164294014.squirrel@server1> References: <46694.127.0.0.1.1164294014.squirrel@server1> Message-ID: <1485.76.179.82.249.1164295565.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> how about echo myldappw?>/etc/ldap.secret.. From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Nov 23 15:27:52 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:27:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer can not bind to ldap server In-Reply-To: <46694.127.0.0.1.1164294014.squirrel@server1> References: <46694.127.0.0.1.1164294014.squirrel@server1> Message-ID: <1484.76.179.82.249.1164295672.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> oh..and check perms onm that file something like 640..seems like ldap runs as rot in redhat.it might be user ldap like in ubuntu..now > Hello ALL, > > I have setup the latest smbldap-installer on a fresh install K12LTSp v5. > Everything appeared to go fine via the install script. I then went to Matt > Omquist site for more detailed info on post setup hwo to's. > ** probelm(s): > 1. When i do the /home setup per MaOmq homepage, to be mounted via nfs > when i do the "mount -a" i get permission denied. > 2. In webmin Ldap module i have in the module config: /etc/ldap.conf for > ldap client. For ROOT ldap client password the default is set to > /etc/ldap.secrets,,, This doe not exist. Where should i derive the Root > ldap password from? (file name),So,, when i do a "validate Ldap server " > button,I get the following error message. > " Connecting to LDAP server .. > .. connection failed : Failed to bind to LDAP server 127.0.0.1 as > cn=nssldap,ou=DSA,dc=xyz,dc=net : No password, did you mean noauth or > anonymous ? > Does the above syntax look correct for the Root Ldap base, etc? > Also when trying to join a windows xp client to this samba domain i get > simply "Domain does not exist " error. Nothing shows up in samba logs on > server pertaining to the client even trying to join. I can ping the server > from the client no probs. I used Ethereal to try and determine were > net_join_ fails but can not decypher Ethereal? > Ideas? > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From moquist at majen.net Thu Nov 23 18:18:54 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:18:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: smbldap-installer can not bind to ldap server In-Reply-To: <20061123170018.7514A732DF@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061123170018.7514A732DF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20061123181854.GB16228@majen.net> > From: Barry R Cisna > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer can not bind to ldap server > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Matt Omquist "Oquist", no "m". :) > 1. When i do the /home setup per MaOmq homepage, to be mounted via nfs > when i do the "mount -a" i get permission denied. How did you export /home on your NFS server? What is the output of $ cat /etc/exports on the NFS server box? What is the IP address of your NFS client box (the one where you 'mount -a')? > 2. In webmin Ldap module i have in the module config: /etc/ldap.conf for > ldap client. For ROOT ldap client password the default is set to > /etc/ldap.secrets,,, This doe not exist. Where should i derive the Root > ldap password from? (file name),So,, when i do a "validate Ldap server " > button,I get the following error message. > " Connecting to LDAP server .. > .. connection failed : Failed to bind to LDAP server 127.0.0.1 as > cn=nssldap,ou=DSA,dc=xyz,dc=net : No password, did you mean noauth or > anonymous ? You want this bind DN: cn=Manager,dc=xyz,dc=net I recommend edsadmin for a GUI tool; it's painlessly simple to install and use. Just log in with: cn=Manager,dc=xyz,dc=net ...and it works. > Does the above syntax look correct for the Root Ldap base, etc? Your syntax is fine, but your actual data is not. > Also when trying to join a windows xp client to this samba domain i get > simply "Domain does not exist " error. Nothing shows up in samba logs on Have you rebooted the Samba/LDAP server after you configured it? PAM needs to be reinitialized, and the easiest way to do this is to reboot. Then, after you've rebooted, make sure samba is running. One way to test samba (and make sure it's actually responding, and that you can authenticate) is to use smbclient: $ smbclient -U root -L // If that works, then try from a Windows box: Run->\\ Log in as root with your pw, and it should work. -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From paul at vaz.co.uk Thu Nov 23 21:05:15 2006 From: paul at vaz.co.uk (Paul Humphreys) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:05:15 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] NX-nomachine-server Message-ID: <000401c70f43$1327cf30$7700a8c0@devXP> NX-nomachine-server. 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I am seeking to test the claim that NX is > significantly faster (than VNC) when making a remote connection to LTSP from > outside the LAN.) > > With many thanks > > Paul > > Paul Humphreys (a newbie to this group in November 2006, from Oxford UK). > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Nov 23 22:02:44 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 11:02:44 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress oo.o 2 files not saving In-Reply-To: <774593a20611221806q37fba4a1u1bf69d613d4726cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20611221806q37fba4a1u1bf69d613d4726cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That doesn't seem to be the problem. OO.o Impress seems to crash all the time for no good reason. Especially when saving or closing documents. I thought if I update OO.o from version 2.0.2 to 2.0.4 that might help. How do I do that without updating other programs? On 23/11/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > On 23/11/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > When every we press the save button the program vanishes and the file is > not > > saved. Any clues what could be wrong? > > Toatlly a shot in the dark...in the traget directory where you are > saving the file do you write permissions? > > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thewhitmers at gmail.com Thu Nov 23 22:09:10 2006 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David & Sarah Whitmer) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:09:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NX-nomachine-server In-Reply-To: References: <000401c70f43$1327cf30$7700a8c0@devXP> Message-ID: Welcome to the list, Paul! If you're running Fedora Core 5 or 6, you can just use yum to install freenx (FOSS implementation of NX server). Rick Stout's freenx web (mentioned in a prior message in this thread) contains a lot of useful information. A big thing to take notice of is that the freenx rpm for Fedora will generate new ssh keys for freenx; you will need to copy the client key from the server computer to the client computer and import that into the NX client software. I used to use VNC to remotely access our school's Linux servers. Now I use freenx with the Windows NX client software from NoMachine... it is noticeably faster than VNC. David David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: dwblue02 at yahoo.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 05:35:16 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 18:35:16 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] NX web companion installation help wanted Message-ID: I was thinking that it would be cool to install nx web companion so students and staff can access their school desktop through a web browser without need for separately installing nx client, ssh keys etc. I have downloaded the rpm installed it and copied usr/NX/share/plugin to /var/www/html/ When I browse to this directory I see the java download screen, then I get the error-10.gif "Some images can't be downloaded. Please check the Java console for details" Can anyone tell me help me? This may be the wrong place to ask. If so please direct me to a more appropriate forum. I have looked at the following guides but I couldn't really understand them. My understanding of Apache is not great. http://www.nomachine.com/documents/plugin/install.html http://www.nomachine.com/ar/view.php?ar_id=AR05C00209 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pxeboot at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 13:10:39 2006 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 08:10:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NX-nomachine-server In-Reply-To: <000401c70f43$1327cf30$7700a8c0@devXP> References: <000401c70f43$1327cf30$7700a8c0@devXP> Message-ID: Both the nxnode and nxclient are on the Nomachine website. See http://www.nomachine.com/download.php If you scroll down the page, you will see both packages. On 11/23/06, Paul Humphreys wrote: > > NX-nomachine-server. > > I've downloaded the free RED HAT FEDORA RPM-nx-server from > www.nomachine.com and installed it, but without success --- because, on > installation, the RPM-nx-server says it first requires the dependencies of > nx-client and nx-node. But I can't find anywhere an RPM of nx-client or > nx-node which is recognised by nx-server. > > Has anyone experience of installing NX-Server on LTSP Fedora who can spot > where I am going wrong? > > (FYI --- Why NX-server? I am seeking to test the claim that NX is > significantly faster (than VNC) when making a remote connection to LTSP from > outside the LAN.) > > With many thanks > > Paul > > Paul Humphreys (a newbie to this group in November 2006, from Oxford UK). > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes PXE Guru -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stegil at hotmail.com Fri Nov 24 16:41:47 2006 From: stegil at hotmail.com (Steve Gilmore) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 11:41:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can voip be integrated Message-ID: Just a general question concerning voip. Assuming thin client sound was working on each thinstation, could a sip-softphone (ie X-Lite) be used on each station and have a unique number? I guess a pbx gateway software would have to be installed also, something like Asterisk. SteveG From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 24 17:22:20 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 11:22:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] can voip be integrated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45672A4C.5070907@maltzen.net> I think it can be done; there was an article in Linux Journal in the past year or so about it by some fellow who outfitted a call center with sip phones on thin clients. But I don't think it's easy. There has been some discussion of it from time to time on the list; check the archives, perhaps the LTSP mailing list archives, too. I think that the coming improvements in sound in LTSP will help this. Petre Steve Gilmore wrote: > Just a general question concerning voip. > Assuming thin client sound was working on each thinstation, could a > sip-softphone (ie X-Lite) be used on each station and have a unique number? > I guess a pbx gateway software would have to be installed also, > something like Asterisk. > > SteveG > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Nov 25 18:14:08 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 12:14:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] winexe for admining winders machines Message-ID: <49561.127.0.0.1.1164478448.squirrel@server1> Hello list, Just thought Id throw this out. This would seem to be a good fit for anyone using K12LTSP at schools,or whereever.I m sure several are familiar with the pstools by sysinternals ( now owned by MS). If not its easy to use command line tools for pushing out apps to windows machines remoteley. Much the same as AD application installing. There is now a peice out by a gentleman,that has taken it on himself to port psexec to linux, called winexe that runs on linux. Had some troubles getting it all to work initially but now have it down to a science. It's worth having alook at if you have lots of windows boxes are on your network,,and need to put updates ..etc,,,on these machines.. I can admin all the high $$$ winders machines at school from my $10 linux thin client box..:).. I needed something like this ,to initially get the OCSInventory agent installed on these windows machines,so thereafter i could use the OCSInventory application to install apps,,which is all "automated". Much more reliable than using AD to try and install apps which usually choke from the MSI/ Windows installer:(. Do a search for "psexec for linux". You'll get the link were to download this executable. Its a simple tarred file you simply extract to a folder and it'll work No compiling,/dependecies,,yada,,yada,,, Hoep this helps.. Barry Cisna westcentral school From paz_fca at hotmail.com Sat Nov 25 19:02:20 2006 From: paz_fca at hotmail.com (francisca paz castillo) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:02:20 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] header intact Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Sun Nov 26 22:03:12 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:03:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Session Options Message-ID: <43080f460611261403y5e49a000je716f59b5e382e13@mail.gmail.com> At login, users can choose what type of desktop session they would like (gnome, kde, etc.). I want to limit these options but I can't seem to find out how to do this... 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URL: From andyr at wizzy.com Sat Nov 25 23:32:43 2006 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 01:32:43 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <45616957.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <20061125233243.GC16278@wizzy.com> On Mon, 20 Nov 2006, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > > > >I am currently using K12LTSP 5 and am curios as to how it compares to > >ubuntu as a LTSP.? I have tried using edubuntu as a desktop, but it > >seems I always have some flaky things happen (don't ask me what, I do > >not remember). Can you guys/gals provide feedback on your experiences? > > Are you using the latest (Edgy Eft) version of Edubuntu? There are MAJOR > differences between that one and the earlier (Dapper or 6.06 LTS) release. I have only used it in small setups so far, but the Edgy version of Edubuntu is a long way ahead of dapper. A from-scratch install works out of the box, USB sticks as well. Looking under the hood, it has some nice new magic that uses ssh for communication. Some differences from LTSP 4.2 are :- * Client boots, does the nfs mount of the client environment, and runs ldm locally via NFS to collect login information. * X is run locally (of course), but connects via ssh/xsession using the user login. It also has an unsecured (xhost +) TCP connection - it could be run with "nolisten tcp", but is not. xdmcp is gone. * The ssh session uses a /tmp unix socket in master mode, so other ssh sessions from the client can go straight through - in particular the USB signalling uses this. * The client environment is built using the main Edgy packages, allowing packages to be installed in the local environment easily. I use "chroot /opt/ltsp/i386; aptitude install foo" for that. This is the main benefit of the Ubuntu way of doing things. I have not tried local apps / fat diskless clients, as then the client would need to have knowledge of user ids to run processes under, but when NetworkAuthentication arrives this will not be difficult. You could run apps now as (local) root, but they would not have knowledge of the users home directory - for that you need NetworkAuthentication and nfs home directories. There is still a little untidiness with Edgy Edubuntu, but it is far ahead of Dapper Edubuntu (like .. it works) and is obviously the development path. A lot of work has been done here. Cheers, Andy! From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 13:40:47 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:40:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Java install problems Message-ID: <464c38cc0611270540m5226dcc4w637f25ffb3c3ffb8@mail.gmail.com> Hello list, hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving (well those of you who celebrate it). A while back I posted my probelsm installing Java. I am finally getting around to it again and am having the same issues. I am using the script in the "Install additional software" folder. This is happening on two different servers. I have even reinstalled the system since last try with the same results. I posted the output below. This one has a mirror timeout, but sometimes I get a bad header file. Any ideas on a Monday morning? Tim Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Install Process Setting up repositories macromedia [1/6] core [2/6] k12ltsp [3/6] updates [4/6] webmin [5/6] extras [6/6] Reading repository metadata in from local files Parsing package install arguments Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package java-1.5.0-sun-alsa.i586 0:1.5.0.05-1jpp.k12ltsp.4.4.0 set to be up dated ---> Package java-1.5.0-sun-plugin.i586 0:1.5.0.05-1jpp.k12ltsp.4.4.0 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for java-1.5.0-sun to pack into transaction set. java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.05-1 100% |=========================| 21 MB 07:27 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/RPMS/non-free/java-1.5.0-sun- 1.5.0.05-1jpp.k12ltsp.4.4.0.i586.rpm: [Errno 4] Socket Error: timed out Trying other mirror. Error: failure: RPMS/non-free/java- 1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.05-1jpp.k12ltsp.4.4.0.i586.rp m from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. ERROR: something went wrong with 'yum install java-1.5.0-sun java-1.5.0-sun-alsa java-1.5.0-sun-fonts java-1.5.0-sun-plugin' Aborting :-( Press the Enter key to exit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Nov 27 14:53:52 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:53:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Java install problems Message-ID: <36870.172.28.8.55.1164639232.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hi Tim, Do the following for your yum choking: " yum clean all" This will clear your yum cache. DO the java install thing with yum again. I 'm guessing yum will still choke even after doing this. If this happens,still, I'm almost sure it is your firewall blocking your yum, downing your rpms. This resolved this for me some time back, not sure which version of K12LTSP. Applications>Prferences>Network proxy. Go through the network proxy wizard here and enter your firewall Ip number.and this might reslove your problem. Hope this helps.. Barry Cisna westcentral school From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 16:09:55 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:09:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Java install problems In-Reply-To: <36870.172.28.8.55.1164639232.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <36870.172.28.8.55.1164639232.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <464c38cc0611270809o2948373bna50d5d4fb1104af8@mail.gmail.com> Barry, I had tried that before with no luck. I did it again though and it still failed. The output is below. This is the one with the header not complete error I was getting. The firewall thing is out, because this server is now firewall-less at the moment. Shh don't tell anyone. Any other ideas? Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Install Process Setting up repositories macromedia [1/6] macromedia 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 core [2/6] core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 k12ltsp [3/6] k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates [4/6] updates 100% |=========================| 1.2 kB 00:00 webmin [5/6] webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras [6/6] extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 kB 00:00 macromedia: ################################################## 2/2 Added 2 new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.02 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 767 kB 00:17 core : ################################################## 2207/2207 Added 2207 new packages, deleted 0 old in 17.00 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.2 MB 00:16 k12ltsp : ################################################## 3799/3799 Added 3799 new packages, deleted 0 old in 30.08 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 403 kB 00:05 updates : ################################################## 1118/1118 Added 1118 new packages, deleted 0 old in 10.01 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.2 kB 00:00 webmin : ################################################## 4/4 Added 4 new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.04 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.7 MB 00:22 extras : ################################################## 5740/5740 Added 5740 new packages, deleted 0 old in 41.27 seconds Parsing package install arguments Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for java-1.5.0-sun-alsa to pack into transaction set. java-1.5.0-sun-alsa-1.5.0 100% |=========================| 6.0 kB 00:00 ---> Package java-1.5.0-sun-alsa.i586 0:1.5.0.05-1jpp.k12ltsp.4.4.0 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for java-1.5.0-sun-plugin to pack into transaction set. java-1.5.0-sun-plugin-1.5 100% |=========================| 11 kB 00:00 ---> Package java-1.5.0-sun-plugin.i586 0:1.5.0.05-1jpp.k12ltsp.4.4.0 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for java-1.5.0-sun to pack into transaction set. java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.05-1 100% |=========================| 30 MB 07:53 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/RPMS/non-free/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.05-1jpp.k12ltsp.4.4.0.i586.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not complete. Trying other mirror. Error: failure: RPMS/non-free/java- 1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.05-1jpp.k12ltsp.4.4.0.i586.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. ERROR: something went wrong with 'yum install java-1.5.0-sun java-1.5.0-sun-alsa java-1.5.0-sun-fonts java-1.5.0-sun-plugin' Aborting :-( On 11/27/06, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > Do the following for your yum choking: > " yum clean all" > This will clear your yum cache. DO the java install thing with yum again. > I 'm guessing yum will still choke even after doing this. If this > happens,still, I'm almost sure it is your firewall blocking your yum, > downing your rpms. > This resolved this for me some time back, not sure which version of > K12LTSP. > Applications>Prferences>Network proxy. Go through the network proxy wizard > here and enter your firewall Ip number.and this might reslove your > problem. > Hope this helps.. > > Barry Cisna > > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com Mon Nov 27 17:48:27 2006 From: Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com (Theo Turner) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:48:27 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with NX Client on Knoptix Message-ID: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34C8F73@server.CumnorHouse.local> I am using Knoptix as a base system to connect clients to a K12LTSP terminal server using NX Client. The problem is with sound. It just doesn't work. On Knoptix the sound system is running fine but nothing comes trough the client. 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URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 19:46:22 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:46:22 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress oo.o 2 files not saving In-Reply-To: References: <774593a20611221806q37fba4a1u1bf69d613d4726cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Files saved to home directories are causing crashes. Files saved to /home/students seem okay (All students are members of the student group). Permissions problem? Why would it cause the whole program to crash? I think upgrading OpenOffice.org might help. I sent a separate message asking about the recommended (safe) way to upgrade. It is really frustrating, because now the classroom teacher (Principal) is complaining, "Impress is not a good program we should just use Powerpoint yada yada..." He is used to Powerpoint and he is finding the different way Impress works frustrating already, without crashes adding to the bad feeling. On 24/11/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > That doesn't seem to be the problem. OO.o Impress seems to crash all the > time for no good reason. Especially when saving or closing documents. > > I thought if I update OO.o from version 2.0.2 to 2.0.4 that might help. > How do I do that without updating other programs? > > On 23/11/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > > > On 23/11/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > When every we press the save button the program vanishes and the file > > is not > > > saved. Any clues what could be wrong? > > > > Toatlly a shot in the dark...in the traget directory where you are > > saving the file do you write permissions? > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Sudev Barar > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools http://discoverlinux.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------- From caldodge at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 20:01:04 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:01:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <824a5f7a0611271201i540e7835yf8ae451652f314ab@mail.gmail.com> On 11/27/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I am running K12ltsp 5 and want to update OpenOffice.org to the latest > version 2.0.4 (I hope to solve Impress crashing problems that way.) What is > the recommended way to do that? > 1. Use yum install using the Fedora Core 6 repositories? > 2. Download the rpm on OpenOffice.org website and install using rpm -Uvih > *.rpm I'd suggest option 1, since I think that gives you the best chance of having all the libraries which a) are needed by OO and b) are available "off the shelf" in Fedora. You can do this by doing a straight upgrade to Core 6, though that may not work (I've had failures of one sort or another on about 30% of the systems I've tried this on). I'm guessing you should use the K12LTSP 6 beta if you try this route. If you don't try the upgrade, or it doesn't work when you try it, then I'd suggest the following: 1) Install the "fedora-release" package from Core 6. 2) remove any extra yum add-ons (like "yum-fastestmirror") 3) Update the "glibc" packages 4) update rpm 5) update yum 4) Update the rest of the packages. Don't be surprised if yum can't handle such an update, due to dependency issues. If yum DOES barf, you can either remove problem packages OR upgrade a few items at a time (I did the latter) Calvin From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 20:06:34 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:06:34 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice upgrade In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0611271201i540e7835yf8ae451652f314ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <824a5f7a0611271201i540e7835yf8ae451652f314ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 28/11/06, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > On 11/27/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > I am running K12ltsp 5 and want to update OpenOffice.org to the latest > > version 2.0.4 (I hope to solve Impress crashing problems that way.) What > is > > the recommended way to do that? > > 1. Use yum install using the Fedora Core 6 repositories? > > 2. Download the rpm on OpenOffice.org website and install using rpm > -Uvih > > *.rpm > > I'd suggest option 1, since I think that gives you the best chance of > having all the libraries which a) are needed by OO and b) are > available "off the shelf" in Fedora. > > You can do this by doing a straight upgrade to Core 6, though that may > not work (I've had failures of one sort or another on about 30% of the > systems I've tried this on). I'm guessing you should use the K12LTSP 6 > beta if you try this route. > > If you don't try the upgrade, or it doesn't work when you try it, then > I'd suggest the following: > > 1) Install the "fedora-release" package from Core 6. > 2) remove any extra yum add-ons (like "yum-fastestmirror") > 3) Update the "glibc" packages > 4) update rpm > 5) update yum > 4) Update the rest of the packages. I just want OO.org and dependencies. Is that hard? Don't be surprised if yum can't > handle such an update, due to dependency issues. If yum DOES barf, you > can either remove problem packages OR upgrade a few items at a time (I > did the latter) Sounds scary. I don't want to stuff anything up. Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From caldodge at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 21:19:01 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:19:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <824a5f7a0611271201i540e7835yf8ae451652f314ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0611271319g1e16dc3oa47c138241c5b2b7@mail.gmail.com> On 11/27/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > On 28/11/06, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > 3) Update the "glibc" packages > > 4) update rpm > > 5) update yum > > 4) Update the rest of the packages. > > I just want OO.org and dependencies. Is that hard? Well, replace the second "4)" (duh) with "6) update openoffice.org components" That might work, if the dependency tree doesn't break somewhere. You really do have to update glibc, since it has new features (hashing library references for quicker lookups) which almost all Core 6 programs require. Calvin From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 21:24:11 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:24:11 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice upgrade In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0611271319g1e16dc3oa47c138241c5b2b7@mail.gmail.com> References: <824a5f7a0611271201i540e7835yf8ae451652f314ab@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0611271319g1e16dc3oa47c138241c5b2b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Will updating glibc break any other packages in K12ltsp 5? On 28/11/06, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > On 11/27/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > On 28/11/06, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > > 3) Update the "glibc" packages > > > 4) update rpm > > > 5) update yum > > > 4) Update the rest of the packages. > > > > I just want OO.org and dependencies. Is that hard? > > Well, replace the second "4)" (duh) with "6) update openoffice.orgcomponents" > > That might work, if the dependency tree doesn't break somewhere. > > You really do have to update glibc, since it has new features (hashing > library references for quicker lookups) which almost all Core 6 > programs require. > > Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am still struggling with the DHCPD set up in a school's K12LTSP server. After looking and implementing many of the recommendations sent by Eric et all, I am now at the point where the error that the thin clients give is: Could not find the Kernel image: vmlinuz.ltsp TFTP Prefix /lts/pxe Trying ro load pxelinux.cfg/(MAC address) ... t t l pxelinux.cfg/default ---- I created a symbolic link (vmlinuz.ltsp) in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg, to /boot/vmlinux-2.6.17-1.2174_FC5smp, but nothing (good) happens. I know I am closer, but not there yet. Any suggestions? cheers Alan El Paso, TX -=o=- From caldodge at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 21:40:11 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:40:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <824a5f7a0611271201i540e7835yf8ae451652f314ab@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0611271319g1e16dc3oa47c138241c5b2b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0611271340gedd395w6fbe10fdebf70312@mail.gmail.com> On 11/27/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > Will updating glibc break any other packages in K12ltsp 5? I don't believe so. Mind you, I didn't try running many other applications after updating glibc. But no dependencies got in the way, leading me to believe that the new glibc was compatible. I DID see problems with the new yum and the old yum add-ons, which is why I suggested removing them before updating yum. Calvin From caldodge at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 21:48:07 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:48:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCPD saga III In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <824a5f7a0611271348v2f0376ffk506c8f8181fbf70c@mail.gmail.com> On 11/27/06, ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Hello folks > > Hope you all had a nice rest and a wonderful Thanksgiving. > > I am still struggling with the DHCPD set up in a school's K12LTSP server. > ---- > I created a symbolic link (vmlinuz.ltsp) in > /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg, to /boot/vmlinux-2.6.17-1.2174_FC5smp, > but nothing (good) happens. That won't work, since the system kernel is outside the tftp directory, and it probably isn't designed to use the server's filesystem. On my system, /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg is a directory, where all the symbolic links point to /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default. "default" is a text file, which says the kernel is "vmlinuz.ltsp". The symbolic link /tftpboot/lts/pxe/vmlinuz.ltsp points to a "bzImage" file in the same directory. So, does this match your system's pxe files and links? Calvin From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 21:56:17 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:56:17 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <200611271626.22867.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have set terminals to use NBD swap so far it is not being used. I used ltspinfo --host --proc=meminfo Is there a log or something that can show how much swap (if any) was being used over a period of time? On 28/11/06, John Lucas wrote: > > On Monday 27 November 2006 15:41, you wrote: > > I am running K12ltsp 5 and want to update OpenOffice.org to the latest > > version 2.0.4 (I hope to solve Impress crashing problems that way.) What > is > > the recommended way to do that? > > 1. Use yum install using the Fedora Core 6 repositories? > > 2. Download the rpm on OpenOffice.org website and install using rpm > -Uvih > > *.rpm > > Some other method? > > > > This may have nothing to do with your problem, but I had problems with OOo > > Impress on terminals with inadequate RAM. My problem was solved by turning > on > NBD swap to increase effective (virtual) memory used by the X server > running > on the terminal. Impress was terminating whenever I tried to run the > slideshow. 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Bethel School District #403 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 27 22:23:55 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:23:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress oo.o 2 files not saving In-Reply-To: References: <456B590C.7080208@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <456B657B.2080209@mesd.k12.or.us> Krsnendu dasa wrote: > Could you elaborate a bit further. > I am not familiar with strace > Can you explain a bit more about what it could be in the preferences? >From "yum info strace": "The strace program intercepts and records the system calls called and received by a running process. Strace can print a record of each system call, its arguments and its return value. Strace is useful for diagnosing problems and debugging, as well as for instructional purposes." You'll need to "yum install strace" to install it. It's something I try out if a program ever bombs out for no apparent reason. > It seems to happen for all users. It might only affect users on > terminals. I > haven't noticed any problem when logging in through NX, but I haven't > really > tested it. I have enabled nbd swap as it was suggested that might help. So > far it has not been used. If you think it's related to running on the terminals, can you try running from the console? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Nov 27 23:53:53 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:53:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCPD saga III In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2450.76.179.82.249.1164671633.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> next-server??? http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TFTP > Hello folks > > Hope you all had a nice rest and a wonderful Thanksgiving. > > I am still struggling with the DHCPD set up in a school's K12LTSP server. > > After looking and implementing many of the recommendations sent by Eric > et all, I am now at the point where the error that the thin clients give > is: > > Could not find the Kernel image: vmlinuz.ltsp > TFTP Prefix /lts/pxe > Trying ro load pxelinux.cfg/(MAC address) > ... > t t l pxelinux.cfg/default > ---- > I created a symbolic link (vmlinuz.ltsp) in > /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg, to /boot/vmlinux-2.6.17-1.2174_FC5smp, > but nothing (good) happens. > > I know I am closer, but not there yet. Any suggestions? > > cheers > > Alan > El Paso, TX > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ahodson at elp.rr.com Mon Nov 27 22:35:43 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:35:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCPD saga III In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0611271348v2f0376ffk506c8f8181fbf70c@mail.gmail.com> References: <824a5f7a0611271348v2f0376ffk506c8f8181fbf70c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is the content of /tftpboot/lts: total 4576 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 14 11:56 boot -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 861505 Mar 13 2005 initrd-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Nov 27 15:18 pxe -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3788082 Mar 13 2005 vmlinux-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 /tftpboot/lts/boot: total 8 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 14 11:56 bootroms /tftpboot/lts/boot/bootroms: total 116 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 79575 Jul 22 2004 ebnet522.dsk drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 Aug 14 11:56 individual-images -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3277 Jul 22 2004 Readme.txt lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Aug 14 11:56 Universal_Boot_Floppy.dsk -> ebnet522.dsk /tftpboot/lts/boot/bootroms/individual-images: total 6256 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17513 Nov 14 2004 16ab-1101.zdsk -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16137 Nov 14 2004 3c450-1.zdsk -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16908 Nov 14 2004 3c450.zdsk .... 8>< ....too many... -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16190 Nov 14 2004 winbond940.zdsk -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 21959 Nov 14 2004 xircomtulip.zdsk /tftpboot/lts/pxe: total 28 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 68 Nov 27 13:50 initramfs.gz -> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.17-1.2174_FC5-smp-i686/include/config/initramfs -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13100 Nov 27 13:29 pxelinux.0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 27 13:03 pxelinux.cfg lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Nov 27 15:18 vmlinuz.ltsp -> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-1.2239.fc5smp /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg: total 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86 Nov 27 13:03 default As you can see the error might be that I don't have that bzImage...and haven't had much luck finding it either. I am hoping there is a patch or a make/install somewhere... Cheers alan -=o=- ----- Original Message ----- From: Calvin Dodge Date: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:49 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] DHCPD saga III To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > On 11/27/06, ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > > Hello folks > > > > Hope you all had a nice rest and a wonderful Thanksgiving. > > > > I am still struggling with the DHCPD set up in a school's K12LTSP > server. > > ---- > > I created a symbolic link (vmlinuz.ltsp) in > > /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg, to /boot/vmlinux-2.6.17- > 1.2174_FC5smp,> but nothing (good) happens. > > That won't work, since the system kernel is outside the tftp > directory, and it probably isn't designed to use the server's > filesystem. > > On my system, /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg is a directory, where all > the symbolic links point to /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default. > "default" is a text file, which says the kernel is "vmlinuz.ltsp". > The symbolic link /tftpboot/lts/pxe/vmlinuz.ltsp points to a "bzImage" > file in the same directory. > > So, does this match your system's pxe files and links? > > Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 28 00:55:09 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:55:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Session Options In-Reply-To: <456B417D.4070009@discoverlinux.co.uk> References: <456B417D.4070009@discoverlinux.co.uk> Message-ID: <456B88ED.8070703@maltzen.net> There's a page on the wiki that covers this: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/How%20to%20edit%20the%20Session%20menu%20that%20appears%20on%20the%20client%20login%20screen And I don't think you want to run 'rpm -e gdm' as that would remove the Gnome Display Manager, not the 'Gnome desktop manager'. GDM is what gives you the login screen. Now, you could switch from GDM to using KDM, the KDE Display Manager, in which case GDM isn't really necessary. But since none of this has anything to do with the different types of desktop environments that are made available to the user at login via the Session menu, my guess is that fooling around with the Display Manager, whether GDM, KDM, or XDM, isn't going to give you what you want. Petre John Cooper wrote: > Try locating where the desktop files are :- > > locate gnome.desktop > > Fedora core 6 is :- > > /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop is the list of numbered desktops > > To add a new one e.g. > > cp /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/xfce42.desktop > > Edit xfce.desktop and update as > > [Desktop Entry] > Encoding=UTF-8 > Type=XSession > Exec=/usr/local/bin/startxfce4 > TryExec=/usr/local/bin/startxfce4 > Name=Xfce 4.2 > Comment=The Xfce 4.2 Desktop Environment > > Logout to see new menu in "Sessions" > > To remove a desktop, just remove the > /usr/share/xsessions/.desktop. > > To remove the desktop completely e.g. Gnome desktop manager > > rpm -e gdm > > /etc/gdm/Xsession has the list of options, but not sure whether this is > only for when .xsessions doesn't > exist in the home directory. > > John. > > From caldodge at gmail.com Tue Nov 28 01:28:11 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:28:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCPD saga III In-Reply-To: References: <824a5f7a0611271348v2f0376ffk506c8f8181fbf70c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0611271728h378934afideb3dd44dd472a2f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/27/06, ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > As you can see the error might be that I don't have that bzImage...and > haven't had much luck finding it either. I am hoping there is a patch or > a make/install somewhere... > Cheers > alan Rpm says that bzImage file is in the ltsp_i386-boot package. Do you have that package installed? If so, what's the result of "rpm -V ltsp_i386-boot"? Calvin From mel at melwade.com Tue Nov 28 02:59:10 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:59:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Session Options In-Reply-To: <456B88ED.8070703@maltzen.net> References: <456B417D.4070009@discoverlinux.co.uk> <456B88ED.8070703@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43080f460611271859w2b3e39e8vd34e353c8f45905c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the info. I'll give this a whirl. I'm planning on leaving Gnome and removing the others. I don't care if they are there as long as users don't have the option to use them... -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ahodson at elp.rr.com Tue Nov 28 03:39:21 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:39:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCPD saga III In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0611271728h378934afideb3dd44dd472a2f@mail.gmail.com> References: <824a5f7a0611271348v2f0376ffk506c8f8181fbf70c@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0611271728h378934afideb3dd44dd472a2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1164685161.3473.2.camel@HodsonNet1> If memory serves it says "packet not installed" - I've downloaded and installed the rpm package, but it's not being picked up... any yum special-commands I can try? cheers alan -=o=- On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 18:28 -0700, Calvin Dodge wrote: > On 11/27/06, ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > > As you can see the error might be that I don't have that bzImage...and > > haven't had much luck finding it either. I am hoping there is a patch or > > a make/install somewhere... > > Cheers > > alan > > Rpm says that bzImage file is in the ltsp_i386-boot package. Do you > have that package installed? If so, what's the result of "rpm -V > ltsp_i386-boot"? > > Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From caldodge at gmail.com Tue Nov 28 03:56:32 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:56:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCPD saga III In-Reply-To: <1164685161.3473.2.camel@HodsonNet1> References: <824a5f7a0611271348v2f0376ffk506c8f8181fbf70c@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0611271728h378934afideb3dd44dd472a2f@mail.gmail.com> <1164685161.3473.2.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0611271956m585012b1m8aab4bad023e2a4a@mail.gmail.com> On 11/27/06, Alan Hodson wrote: > If memory serves it says "packet not installed" - I've downloaded and > installed the rpm package, but it's not being picked up... any yum > special-commands I can try? You mean you've installed the "ltsp_i386-boot" package? If you installed it, rpm shouldn't be saying "package not installed". What's the result of "rpm -qa |grep ltsp|sort"? Calvin From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Nov 28 13:25:43 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:25:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] samba mount glitch Message-ID: <56988.172.28.8.55.1164720343.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, I posted this a while back and never got any feedback, and cant google out anything on this. Problem: When i do a samba mount on a windows server to the same K12LTSP v-5 machine,once i go past the forth "mount", thereafter all of the newly created mount points,they all come up as "unknown file" in Nautalis.Of course ,trying to "view" these in Nautilas is "undoable". The first four mounts look correct. They are simply viewing as a folder, as they should. This happens on two of our linux servers,in the same way? The fstab.conf file looks correct on both of them. I can delete two of the mount points of each of these servers,,and i can then create a different mountpoint( say from a different windows server),,so i know it is not machine specific. and then they show up correctly. Of course the reason im setting up these mountpoints is to create backups from the windows servers,to the mentioned linux servers as a backup server. Has anyone else experenced this? Thanks, Barry Cisna From yorick at xtra.co.nz Tue Nov 28 14:49:46 2006 From: yorick at xtra.co.nz (Graham) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:49:46 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress oo.o 2 files not saving References: <774593a20611221806q37fba4a1u1bf69d613d4726cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611290349.46277.yorick@xtra.co.nz> On Tuesday 28 November 2006 08:46, Krsnendu dasa wrote: Hi Apologies if this doubles up, my previous got stuck in a moderator queue because I used the wrong email to send it. > Files saved to home directories are causing crashes. Files saved to > /home/students seem okay (All students are members of the student group). > Permissions problem? Why would it cause the whole program to crash? > > I think upgrading OpenOffice.org might help. I sent a separate message > asking about the recommended (safe) way to upgrade. Upgrading is always a good idea, to 2.04 especially, 2.04 does extensions and I think has dual monitor support for impress (Not sure about that, but 2.1, which I use, definitely does.) ?The safest way is to download OOo from downloads.openoffice.org. Uninstall 2.02 then install 2.04. If you are using a distro modified version and update from a YUM repository or via apt-get, then you need to change shortcuts to executables. Versions sourced from OOo downloads ?install into the /opt directory, for some reason some distros change this. ?They also change the executables. for instance Mandrake, ?SuSE and I think RedHat use "ooowriter". ?The same in OOo sourced version is "swriter". > > It is really frustrating, because now the classroom teacher (Principal) is > complaining, "Impress is not a good program we should just use Powerpoint > yada yada..." > He is used to Powerpoint and he is finding the different way Impress works > frustrating already, without crashes adding to the bad feeling. > > On 24/11/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > That doesn't seem to be the problem. OO.o Impress seems to crash all the > > time for no good reason. Especially when saving or closing documents. > > > > I thought if I update OO.o from version 2.0.2 to 2.0.4 that might help. > > How do I do that without updating other programs? OOo is a monolithic code base. Unlike MSO, it is not separate programes, ?it is one. ?That's why you can open any application from any file menu, ?so there is no way of upgrading parts of it. ?Some distributions have tried doing bitza updates to there own versions but that is applying proprietary software norms to Open Source. ?With proprietary software upgrades are things that happen between major releases. ?With OOo there are no upgrades just new releases every month or two User settings in the /home/~username/.openoffice.org2 will remain intact. ? However some distros use a different home directory like /home/~username/.ooo-2.0 or similar. An OOo sourced install will create a ?/home/~username/.openoffice.org2 directory, (without affecting the other) as soon as a user launches the programme. ?This starts the whole new user registration thing which can be somewhat annoying and cause a little trepidation amongst newbies, but as long as they're prepared for it, it shouldn't be an issue. ?However in your case it will prove if the problem is in the user directiories or settings if you're using a non-OOo sourced version -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant "GET DRESSED - GET OOOGEAR" http://www.ooogear.co.nz Promotional gear for the discerning OOo Advocate From opensource at whitenitro.com Tue Nov 28 18:43:07 2006 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:43:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on an intel mac mini? Message-ID: <6483f8ece0e3263fbdf03da9d3c7bb1c@whitenitro.com> Has anyone had any success setting up a K12LTSP/LTSP server on a Macintosh Mini (intel)? I have a client that has some Apple credits and wants to pilot a K12LTSP lab with a couple of machines. Bryant White Nitro, LLC From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 28 19:03:47 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:03:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP vs. Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20061125233243.GC16278@wizzy.com> References: <45616957.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <20061125233243.GC16278@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1164740628.3781.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 01:32 +0200, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > * The client environment is built using the main Edgy packages, allowing > packages to be installed in the local environment easily. I use > "chroot /opt/ltsp/i386; aptitude install foo" for that. A real test for this approach would be to install vlc as a local app and stream multicast video to all the clients at once. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Nov 28 19:46:36 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:46:36 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress oo.o 2 files not saving In-Reply-To: <200611290349.46277.yorick@xtra.co.nz> References: <774593a20611221806q37fba4a1u1bf69d613d4726cc@mail.gmail.com> <200611290349.46277.yorick@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: On 29/11/06, Graham wrote: > > > If you are using a distro modified version and update from a YUM > repository or > via apt-get, then you need to change shortcuts to executables. Versions > sourced from OOo downloads install into the /opt directory, for some > reason > some distros change this. They also change the executables. for instance > Mandrake, SuSE and I think RedHat use "ooowriter". The same in OOo sourced > version is "swriter". How do I change the shortcuts for all users on a multiuser system like K12LTSP. I have about 80 users to update. > > > I thought if I update OO.o from version 2.0.2 to 2.0.4 that might > help. > > > How do I do that without updating other programs? OOo is a monolithic code base. Unlike MSO, it is not separate programes, it > > I meant using yum to update all of OO.o but not firefox, tuxpaint etc. User settings in the /home/~username/.openoffice.org2 will remain intact. > However some distros use a different home directory > like /home/~username/.ooo-2.0 or similar. openoffice.org2.0 in my system. I see that in March I actually did a manual install of OO.o 2 without uninstalling OO.o 1.1 Since I updated to K12LTSP 5 (Fedora Core 5) I now have two settings directories .openoffice.org2.0 and .openoffice.org2 An OOo sourced install will create a /home/~username/.openoffice.org2 > directory, (without affecting the other) as soon as a user launches the > programme. This starts the whole new user registration thing which can be > somewhat annoying and cause a little trepidation amongst newbies, but as > long > as they're prepared for it, it shouldn't be an issue. However in your case > it will prove if the problem is in the user directiories or settings if > you're using a non-OOo sourced version Or it could be that the updated version fixed the problem? That is if the problem is fixed. Here's hoping! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Nov 28 20:04:56 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:04:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on an intel mac mini? In-Reply-To: <6483f8ece0e3263fbdf03da9d3c7bb1c@whitenitro.com> References: <6483f8ece0e3263fbdf03da9d3c7bb1c@whitenitro.com> Message-ID: <40807.169.244.70.146.1164744296.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> jim kronebush i think rigged up a server with osx server..but id rather have a pc of some sort..i hope soon to try a mini as a xlient..keep us apprised what you do..chuck From ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca Tue Nov 28 19:58:14 2006 From: ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca (Ryan Hackl) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:58:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Management for K12LTSP Message-ID: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57D4@mail1.lskysd.ca> Hi! I'm just wondering if there is something for k12ltsp that would work as a print manager, allowing administrators to limit (or track) the number of pages that users print. For instance, does PyKota have an RPM that would be easy to implement in k12ltsp? This would greatly help schools in our area start to control the amount of 'wasted' paper that is currently printed by users... Thanks again! - Ryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Nov 28 20:17:41 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:17:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Management for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57D4@mail1.lskysd.ca> References: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57D4@mail1.lskysd.ca> Message-ID: <456C9965.1090506@paasda.org> Yes it does... Jerome distributes that with paid support only I believe. support is(was) a mere $25/yr I paid back in the day but my version is so old it has cobwebs...but never fails me, so I've not bothered to upgrade... Student server is scheduled for upgrade this summer, it'll happen then. Love the software.. I might have the old version lay'n around in .rpm somewhere if you want mail me offline. --Huck Ryan Hackl wrote: > Hi! > > I'm just wondering if there is something for k12ltsp that would work as > a print manager, allowing administrators to limit (or track) the number > of pages that users print. For instance, does PyKota have an RPM that > would be easy to implement in k12ltsp? > > This would greatly help schools in our area start to control the amount > of 'wasted' paper that is currently printed by users... > > Thanks again! > > - Ryan > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 28 20:17:07 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:17:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on an intel mac mini? In-Reply-To: <6483f8ece0e3263fbdf03da9d3c7bb1c@whitenitro.com> References: <6483f8ece0e3263fbdf03da9d3c7bb1c@whitenitro.com> Message-ID: <20061128200755.M20593@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:43:07 -0500, Bryant Patten wrote > Has anyone had any success setting up a K12LTSP/LTSP server on a > Macintosh Mini (intel)? > > I have a client that has some Apple credits and wants to pilot a > K12LTSP lab with a couple of machines. It looks like you want to use a Mac mini as a server. You can, install a PPC os and then add the LTSP packages to it. I did this and yes, I was able to boot both i386 and PPC clients from it. However, there is a huge downside. I could not get many of the i386 apps to run on the PPC os. Most of the edutainment stuff simply would not run, which sort of defeats the purpose. Better solution, stick with i386 for your server, then try and get mac minis to work as clients if need be. Your biggest hangup will most likely be video on the client. I would install Ubuntu PPC or some other PPC distro on one mac mini as a full install. Then copy the working XF86Config-4 file from it to put on your LTSP server in the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc folder (or where the default location of XF86Config for clients is, that path may not be correct, my memory isn't that hot) and name it as XF86Config-4.macmini (or whatever is relavent to you, just so you can make sense of it) then in your lts.conf under the PPC tree set things to your custom XF86Config file. Of course the mac minis should boot to the i386 server simply by holding down the N key. If you need instructions on how to set them to boot to the network permanently with Firmware commands just let me know. Hope that helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 28 20:36:50 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:36:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on an intel mac mini? In-Reply-To: <20061128200755.M20593@winonacotter.org> References: <6483f8ece0e3263fbdf03da9d3c7bb1c@whitenitro.com> <20061128200755.M20593@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <456C9DE2.10905@mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:43:07 -0500, Bryant Patten wrote >> Has anyone had any success setting up a K12LTSP/LTSP server on a >> Macintosh Mini (intel)? >> >> I have a client that has some Apple credits and wants to pilot a >> K12LTSP lab with a couple of machines. > > It looks like you want to use a Mac mini as a server. You can, install a PPC > os and then add the LTSP packages to it. I did this and yes, I was able to > boot both i386 and PPC clients from it. However, there is a huge downside. I > could not get many of the i386 apps to run on the PPC os. Most of the > edutainment stuff simply would not run, which sort of defeats the purpose. > > Better solution, stick with i386 for your server, then try and get mac minis > to work as clients if need be. I think he just said that his Mac Mini is i386. I'd guess the 2.5" HD in the Mini would be quite a bottleneck, but YMMV. This makes it sound like you have reason to be optimistic about getting it to work: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraOnMactel Try out the K12LTSP 6 beta and let us know what happens! -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From nils at breun.nl Tue Nov 28 20:44:38 2006 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:44:38 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress oo.o 2 files not saving In-Reply-To: References: <774593a20611221806q37fba4a1u1bf69d613d4726cc@mail.gmail.com> <200611290349.46277.yorick@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <94B11DB3-2755-481D-8092-BED7270FCFAF@breun.nl> Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > I thought if I update OO.o from version 2.0.2 to 2.0.4 that > might help. > > > How do I do that without updating other programs? OOo is a > monolithic code base. Unlike MSO, it is not separate programes, it > > I meant using yum to update all of OO.o but not firefox, tuxpaint etc. # yum update openoffice.org-base Currently the latest version for FC5 (K12LTSP5) is 2.0.2-5.19.2. You can check the version you have installed with: # rpm -q openoffice.org Nils Breunese. From nils at breun.nl Tue Nov 28 20:48:41 2006 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:48:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress oo.o 2 files not saving In-Reply-To: <94B11DB3-2755-481D-8092-BED7270FCFAF@breun.nl> References: <774593a20611221806q37fba4a1u1bf69d613d4726cc@mail.gmail.com> <200611290349.46277.yorick@xtra.co.nz> <94B11DB3-2755-481D-8092-BED7270FCFAF@breun.nl> Message-ID: I wrote: > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > >> > > I thought if I update OO.o from version 2.0.2 to 2.0.4 that >> might help. >> > > How do I do that without updating other programs? OOo is a >> monolithic code base. Unlike MSO, it is not separate programes, it >> >> I meant using yum to update all of OO.o but not firefox, tuxpaint >> etc. > > # yum update openoffice.org-base > > Currently the latest version for FC5 (K12LTSP5) is 2.0.2-5.19.2. > You can check the version you have installed with: > > # rpm -q openoffice.org I'm sorry, that last command should read 'rpm -q openoffice.org-base' instead. There is no package called openoffice.org. Nils Breunese. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 28 20:55:19 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:55:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on an intel mac mini? In-Reply-To: <456C9DE2.10905@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <6483f8ece0e3263fbdf03da9d3c7bb1c@whitenitro.com> <20061128200755.M20593@winonacotter.org> <456C9DE2.10905@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20061128205153.M36174@winonacotter.org> > I think he just said that his Mac Mini is i386. I'd guess the 2.5" > HD in the Mini would be quite a bottleneck, but YMMV. > > This makes it sound like you have reason to be optimistic about getting > it to work: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraOnMactel > > Try out the K12LTSP 6 beta and let us know what happens! Stupid me :-) I missed the "intel" portion. Still having trouble thinking of macs as i386. Good luck, I haven't tried anything linux on the intel macs yet. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Nov 28 22:00:23 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:00:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on an intel mac mini? In-Reply-To: <20061128200755.M20593@winonacotter.org> References: <6483f8ece0e3263fbdf03da9d3c7bb1c@whitenitro.com> <20061128200755.M20593@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <2771.76.179.82.249.1164751223.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> jim: i haave kdeedu compiled for mac if it helps you..ktouch kgeography etc.. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Nov 28 22:04:24 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:04:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - IP Phones AsteriskNow Message-ID: <20061128150424.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.d1afbf8dc7.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Anyone wanting to learn and try IP PBX should take a look at the turnkey package that Digium has released, www.asterisknow.org. It loads off of a CD and has a GUI frontend. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 rmcdaniel at indata.us From bigjeep95 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 28 22:07:55 2006 From: bigjeep95 at hotmail.com (Casey Mynott) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:07:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: Hey all, Anyone had any experience with wireless bridges and K12LTSP? Just looking for a good model to go with that won't break the bank. Thanks! Casey _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moquist at majen.net Wed Nov 29 01:07:57 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:07:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gcompris, childsplay, tuxtype in windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061129010757.GA4278@majen.net> I've recently been told that folks are having trouble running gcompris, childsplay, and tuxtype on thin clients because the default fullscreen modes don't always work, and editing the menus system-wide is proving to be a burden. Here are a couple of ways to address this problem: 1. (for Gnome, not sure about KDE but I expect it's similar if not identical...?) Edit /usr/share/applications/.desktop and change the "Exec" line to include the necessary argument. For example, edit fedora-childsplay.desktop to have the following line: Exec=childsplay --window 2. create an application wrapper script This isn't the preferred way to solve this problem, as it will at least break on upgrade, if not break the upgrade. This involves moving the actual application over and putting a same-name wrapper script in its place, so the menu option will execute the wrapper script, which will in turn execute the newly-renamed original application with the requisite argument: $ su - (or "sudo su -" for Ubuntu) $ cd /usr/bin/ $ mv gcompris gcompris.original $ gedit gcompris Make this new 'gcompris' file contain the following: -------------------------------------- #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/gcompris.original -window $* -------------------------------------- $ chmod 755 /usr/bin/gcompris The system menus are configured to execute /usr/bin/gcompris, which is now a wrapper script that executes "gcompris.original -window". IIRC, gcompris needs "-window", but tuxtype and childsplay need "--window". You can easily try this on the command line before you put it in place, and of course you'll want to test it from the menu after you put a solution in place. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 29 01:24:52 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:24:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] gcompris, childsplay, tuxtype in windows In-Reply-To: <20061129010757.GA4278@majen.net> References: <20061129010757.GA4278@majen.net> Message-ID: <456CE164.6070807@paasda.org> or could we just teach the students/staff how to open a terminal and TYPE, 'childsplay --window' ?? sorry I'm a CLI guy ;) Matt Oquist wrote: > I've recently been told that folks are having trouble running > gcompris, childsplay, and tuxtype on thin clients because the > default fullscreen modes don't always work, and editing the menus > system-wide is proving to be a burden. > > Here are a couple of ways to address this problem: > 1. (for Gnome, not sure about KDE but I expect it's similar if not > identical...?) > Edit /usr/share/applications/.desktop and change > the "Exec" line to include the necessary argument. > For example, edit fedora-childsplay.desktop to have the following > line: > Exec=childsplay --window > 2. create an application wrapper script > This isn't the preferred way to solve this problem, as it will at > least break on upgrade, if not break the upgrade. > This involves moving the actual application over and putting > a same-name wrapper script in its place, so the menu option will > execute the wrapper script, which will in turn execute the > newly-renamed original application with the requisite argument: > $ su - (or "sudo su -" for Ubuntu) > $ cd /usr/bin/ > $ mv gcompris gcompris.original > $ gedit gcompris > > Make this new 'gcompris' file contain the following: > > -------------------------------------- > #!/bin/bash > /usr/bin/gcompris.original -window $* > -------------------------------------- > $ chmod 755 /usr/bin/gcompris > > The system menus are configured to execute /usr/bin/gcompris, which > is now a wrapper script that executes "gcompris.original -window". > > IIRC, gcompris needs "-window", but tuxtype and childsplay need > "--window". You can easily try this on the command line before you put > it in place, and of course you'll want to test it from the menu after > you put a solution in place. > > --matt > > -- > Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > http://majen.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Nov 29 03:55:08 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:55:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gcompris, childsplay, tuxtype in windows In-Reply-To: <20061129010757.GA4278@majen.net> References: <20061129010757.GA4278@majen.net> Message-ID: That's the hard way....simply log in as root.....fire up alacarte menu editor (you may need to install it first.... yum install alacarte) and simply edit the command for the menu item by adding the -window switch or whatever is called for at the end of the command. Click close and you're done. :-) Changes made in the GUI as root in K12LTSP in most cases are system wide. (alacarte also works in Ubuntu...etc...it's a Gnome menu editor) "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >I've recently been told that folks are having trouble running >gcompris, childsplay, and tuxtype on thin clients because the >default fullscreen modes don't always work, and editing the menus >system-wide is proving to be a burden. > >Here are a couple of ways to address this problem: >1. (for Gnome, not sure about KDE but I expect it's similar if not > identical...?) > Edit /usr/share/applications/.desktop and change > the "Exec" line to include the necessary argument. > For example, edit fedora-childsplay.desktop to have the following > line: > Exec=childsplay --window >2. create an application wrapper script > This isn't the preferred way to solve this problem, as it will at > least break on upgrade, if not break the upgrade. > This involves moving the actual application over and putting > a same-name wrapper script in its place, so the menu option will > execute the wrapper script, which will in turn execute the > newly-renamed original application with the requisite argument: > $ su - (or "sudo su -" for Ubuntu) > $ cd /usr/bin/ > $ mv gcompris gcompris.original > $ gedit gcompris > >Make this new 'gcompris' file contain the following: > >-------------------------------------- >#!/bin/bash >/usr/bin/gcompris.original -window $* >-------------------------------------- > $ chmod 755 /usr/bin/gcompris > > The system menus are configured to execute /usr/bin/gcompris, which > is now a wrapper script that executes "gcompris.original -window". > >IIRC, gcompris needs "-window", but tuxtype and childsplay need >"--window". You can easily try this on the command line before you put >it in place, and of course you'll want to test it from the menu after >you put a solution in place. > >--matt > >-- >Open Source Software Engineering Consultant >http://majen.net/ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Nov 29 04:50:09 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:50:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can someone explain in more detail how to get sound in flash 9 Message-ID: <456D1181.9010504@snarlnet.com> > > >From: Hanne Verheyen >>Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >>To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] [XPOST] Sound - flash >>Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:47:42 +0100 >> >>The problem is SOLVED !!!! hiehaa >> >>follow the solution described below. >>and start firefox >> >>esddsp firefox.... >> >>question: how do i change the link in the gnome menu so all users will see >>firefox, but the command says esddsp firefox? >> >>Hanne >> >> >>Op 20-nov-06, om 12:17 heeft Hanne Verheyen het volgende geschreven: >> > > >>>>does anyone has some more info about the compilation process?? >>>>Anyone having sound yet? >>>> >>>>Hanne >>>> >>>> >>>>Op 20-nov-06, om 09:07 heeft Nadav Kavalerchik het volgende geschreven: >>>> >> >> >>>>>>just to let you know tha... their is an oss interface addon, for the >>>>>>flash 9 beta which enable sound through esd (as the flash 7 does). in >>>>>>case you want to use that and hold the development for a while. >>>>>> >>>>>>it was posted here on the list before. here is a link to it... >>>>>>http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ >>>>>>Flash_Player:Additional_Interface_Support_for_Linux >>>>>> >>>>>>but, don't let it stop you from developing pulse-audio interface. i >>>>>>think we all love to use it. >>>>>> >>>>>>nadav :-) >>>>>> >>>>>>On 11/20/06, Hanne Verheyen wrote: >>>>>>Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>>I urgently need someone who is willing to investigate some time in >>>>>>devoloping the pulse-audio drivers for ltsp. >>>>>>I'm willing to invest some money in this project, as I need to have >>>>>>flash 9 sound VERY urgently. >>>>>>Many >>>>>> >>>>>>The projects results would be oss and will be contributed to the ltsp >>>>>>development off course. >>>>>> >>>>>>Anyone? >>>>>> >>>>>>Hanne >>> >>> > >look at the following file >/usr/share/applications/mozilla-firefox.desktop > Hi everyone, I've tried to follow this thread and flash gets a little farther now, "buffering..." etc. But still no sound. Can someone walk me through this? I downloaded libflashplayer.so from adobe and installed it in /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.8/plugins and in /usr/lib/flash-plugin/ cc -shared -O2 -Wall -Werror -licuuc -lssl flashsupport.c -o libflashsupport.so ldd libflashplayer.so sudo cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib As best I could. It told me there was no licuuc so I left that out and that -02 was an unrecognized option, so I left that out too. No errors after that. I'm launching firefox as esddsp firefox from the command line, but still no flash sound. Can someone figure out what I should try next? Thanks, ck From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Nov 29 06:38:16 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:38:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Can someone explain in more detail how to get sound in flash 9 (Partial Success!) Message-ID: <456D2AD8.30104@snarlnet.com> Hey Folks! I got it working. The key was to read the correction in the comments on the http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flash_Player:Additional_Interface_Support_for_Linux page. I still can't get `esddsp firefox` to execute from a button or menu though. I modified the exec line of /usr/share/applications/mozilla-firefox.desktop to read esddsp firefox (with and without the %u) what am I missing here? Thanks, ck From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Nov 29 08:42:38 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:42:38 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Management for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57D4@mail1.lskysd.ca> References: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57D4@mail1.lskysd.ca> Message-ID: <200611290842.38816.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 28 November 2006 19:58, Ryan Hackl wrote: > Hi! > > I'm just wondering if there is something for k12ltsp that would work as a > print manager, allowing administrators to limit (or track) the number of > pages that users print. For instance, does PyKota have an RPM that would > be easy to implement in k12ltsp? > > This would greatly help schools in our area start to control the amount of > 'wasted' paper that is currently printed by users... Pykota is not that difficult to implement. There is a dependancy issue, which is not (IMHO) covered well in Jerome Alets documentation. These are covered in my install log here http://www.openhgs.org.uk/it.cgi/PyKota. I have recently upgraded our site to the latest version and there are more dependancy issues, which are detailed in the update log www.openhgs.org.uk/it.cgi/Skinner (the final section). We have seen a significant drop in paper usage since I implemented PyKota, almost 2 years ago. A recent posting to the PyKota mailing list, RPMS will be available soon http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.printing.pykota.user/4374/match=rpms You can also use the standard CUPS printer quota facility to limit the number of pages printed. For example, the command : lpadmin -p colour20 -o job-quota-period=86400 -o job-page-limit=5 limits every user to 5 pages per day on printer colour20. However, you cannot control individual users or groups of users using these CUPS features (AFAIK), so PyKota is a far superior solution. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 10:23:21 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:23:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Management for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200611290842.38816.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57D4@mail1.lskysd.ca> <200611290842.38816.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <200611290623.22075.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Wednesday 29 November 2006 04:42, Martin Woolley wrote: > > Pykota is not that difficult to implement. There is a dependancy issue, > which is not (IMHO) covered well in Jerome Alets documentation. These are > covered in my install log here http://www.openhgs.org.uk/it.cgi/PyKota. I > have recently upgraded our site to the latest version and there are more > dependancy issues, which are detailed in the update log > www.openhgs.org.uk/it.cgi/Skinner (the final section). > > We have seen a significant drop in paper usage since I implemented PyKota, > almost 2 years ago. > > A recent posting to the PyKota mailing list, RPMS will be available soon > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.printing.pykota.user/4374/match=rpms > > You can also use the standard CUPS printer quota facility to limit the > number of pages printed. For example, the command : > lpadmin -p colour20 -o job-quota-period=86400 -o job-page-limit=5 > limits every user to 5 pages per day on printer colour20. However, you > cannot control individual users or groups of users using these CUPS > features (AFAIK), so PyKota is a far superior solution. > Actually you *can* get limited control of individual users and group printing using CUPS. In the KDE "Control Center" under Peripherals/Printers/Properties you can set quotas and set user access to queues. By creating multiple queues with different quotas, then assigning access to each queue though group access, you can have a useful measure of control. It may not be as slick as Pykota, but it's already there if you have KDE installed. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Nov 29 12:36:21 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:36:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] nics fail to start at bootup Message-ID: <53470.172.28.8.55.1164803781.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, After upgrading one of our servers from v. 4.2 to 5.0 the two network cards fail to start at bootup. Its not a big deal but,also the login screen i get " Default Gnome session.xml not found"at the server console.The login box is also garbled.But clients boot perfectly. I can be presented by xdmcp with a choice of servers to log into,,but beings the nic(s) did not initialize i cant "see" any servers. I have to drop to a shell and do a ifup eth0 and ifup eth1,then life is good again, In the network /etc/init.d/network everything is same as a working init script as i checked this through Meld,with a working nic setup. Also the /etc/sysconfig/networking *.conf files all look correct comparing to a working *.conf file from another server. Also the checkmarks are showing in the network gui,,that the nics are to start at bootup. Of course i've never had any trouble like this doing a fresh install of any version of k12ltsp. Seems its an upgrade thing,and im not sure what got hammered to fix it. Anyone,any ideas? Thanks, Barry Cisna westcentral school From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 16:03:18 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:03:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can someone explain in more detail how to get sound in flash 9 In-Reply-To: <456D1181.9010504@snarlnet.com> References: <456D1181.9010504@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560611290803t44b74d54j3dacabe14800186e@mail.gmail.com> I believe there was a typo in the instructions..... I think it was supposed to be 'ldd libflashsupport.so' and then that goes in /usr/lib. BTW i could only get it to work by commenting out the icu and ssl stuff in libflashsupport.c. Good luck! Peter On 11/28/06, Carl Keil wrote: > > > > > >From: Hanne Verheyen > >>Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >> > >>To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] [XPOST] Sound - flash > >>Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:47:42 +0100 > >> > >>The problem is SOLVED !!!! hiehaa > >> > >>follow the solution described below. > >>and start firefox > >> > >>esddsp firefox.... > >> > >>question: how do i change the link in the gnome menu so all users will see > >>firefox, but the command says esddsp firefox? > >> > >>Hanne > >> > >> > >>Op 20-nov-06, om 12:17 heeft Hanne Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > >> > > > > > >>>>does anyone has some more info about the compilation process?? > >>>>Anyone having sound yet? > >>>> > >>>>Hanne > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Op 20-nov-06, om 09:07 heeft Nadav Kavalerchik het volgende geschreven: > >>>> > >> > >> > >>>>>>just to let you know tha... their is an oss interface addon, for the > >>>>>>flash 9 beta which enable sound through esd (as the flash 7 does). in > >>>>>>case you want to use that and hold the development for a while. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>it was posted here on the list before. here is a link to it... > >>>>>>http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ > >>>>>>Flash_Player:Additional_Interface_Support_for_Linux > >>>>>> > >>>>>>but, don't let it stop you from developing pulse-audio interface. i > >>>>>>think we all love to use it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>nadav :-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>On 11/20/06, Hanne Verheyen wrote: > >>>>>>Hello, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I urgently need someone who is willing to investigate some time in > >>>>>>devoloping the pulse-audio drivers for ltsp. > >>>>>>I'm willing to invest some money in this project, as I need to have > >>>>>>flash 9 sound VERY urgently. > >>>>>>Many > >>>>>> > >>>>>>The projects results would be oss and will be contributed to the ltsp > >>>>>>development off course. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Anyone? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Hanne > >>> > >>> > > > >look at the following file > >/usr/share/applications/mozilla-firefox.desktop > > > > Hi everyone, > > I've tried to follow this thread and flash gets a little farther now, > "buffering..." etc. But still no sound. Can someone walk me through this? > > I downloaded libflashplayer.so from adobe and installed it in > /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.8/plugins and in /usr/lib/flash-plugin/ > > cc -shared -O2 -Wall -Werror -licuuc -lssl flashsupport.c -o libflashsupport.so > ldd libflashplayer.so > sudo cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib > > As best I could. It told me there was no licuuc so I left that out and > that -02 was an unrecognized option, so I left that out too. No errors > after that. I'm launching firefox as esddsp firefox from the command > line, but still no flash sound. Can someone figure out what I should > try next? > > Thanks, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nelsda at yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 17:33:28 2006 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:33:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP server won't give non-terminals web access Message-ID: <823254.11161.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was trying to troubleshoot a problem of a dropped internet connection from my K12LTSP server so I temporarally turned off the firewall using the security GUI applet. When I re-enabled the firewall I lost the ability for workstations (not terminals) to connect to the internet. When I turn on squid and redirect the workstations to use the proxy they are always denied access. I decided to rebuild the server with K12LTSP 6b7 and I find that workstations still don't have access to the internet. The server is the gateway and dhcp for the network. What do I need to change and where do I look to change it. Also, I need some direction on where I can find a relatively simple guide to firewall settings and how to securely set up a mail server and web server on my K12LTSP box unless it would be best to dedicate another computer to the job. No more than 10 terminals/workstations are on this network. Thank you. David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 29 17:50:12 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:50:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP server won't give non-terminals web access In-Reply-To: <823254.11161.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <823254.11161.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <456DC854.5090908@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David D. Nelson wrote: > I was trying to troubleshoot a problem of a dropped > internet connection from my K12LTSP server so I > temporarally turned off the firewall using the > security GUI applet. When I re-enabled the firewall I > lost the ability for workstations (not terminals) to > connect to the internet. When I turn on squid and > redirect the workstations to use the proxy they are > always denied access. I decided to rebuild the server > with K12LTSP 6b7 and I find that workstations still > don't have access to the internet. The server is the > gateway and dhcp for the network. All of the IPTables manipulation specific to K12LTSP is setup as services. There is nat (Network Address Translation), iptables-k12ltsp (permit all traffic on eth0, where the terminals are), and transparent-proxying (redirect web traffic to squid/squidGuard). If you have the default setup (terminals on eth0, network/internet access on eth1), you can just make sure that these services are enabled and started. Such as: /sbin/chkconfig nat on /sbin/service nat restart /sbin/chkconfig iptables-k12ltsp on /sbin/service iptables-k12ltsp restart /sbin/chkconfig transparent-proxying on /sbin/service transparent-proxying restart > What do I need to change and where do I look to change > it. Also, I need some direction on where I can find a > relatively simple guide to firewall settings and how > to securely set up a mail server and web server on my > K12LTSP box unless it would be best to dedicate > another computer to the job. No more than 10 > terminals/workstations are on this network. > > Thank you. > > The simplest is to use the built-in tool: System -> Administration -> Security Level and Firewall If you reload the firewall, be sure to restart nat, iptables-k12ltsp, and/or transparent-proxying. -Eric From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 18:38:13 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:38:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Thinking about Thinking and about Educational Commerce--Interviews with Stephen Downes and Larry Augustin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/StephenDownes.mp3 http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/StephenDownes.ogg http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/LarryAugustin.mp3 http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/LarryAugustin.ogg While it becomes clear that Stephen Downes and I have different experiences and different opinions, my interview with him was quite fascinating and also illustrative of a principle about blogging and podcasting that I have been thinking about quite a bit lately. Will Richardson has written and said many times that blogging starts with reading. What that means to me is that when I read other blogs, I am exposed to someone else's ideas, and it starts a creative process where I think about what they have written and can agree, disagree, or expand on their thoughts. Like Doc Searls says, blogging can be like tossing a snowball downhill--if an idea starts to gain speed, it will grow and expand, building on the original idea kernel. The magic of blogging is that it seems to allow for diverse and multiple voices to quickly combine and create innovative, compelling, feedback-rich threads of thought. So for me, blogging is ultimately about thinking, and I love thinking. The interview with Stephen provided me with a lot of opportunity for thinking, and largely because he and I come from fairly different perspectives. Since two of my four children have had some homeschooling, you'll hear me try to mitigate what I think are some of the common perceptions about homeschoolers/homeschooling. But the issue that really has lingered with me for some days is the discussion on commercial companies and the educational system. Granted, folks in Canada are probably more used to government-run solutions than we in the States, but it sorrows me to think--if Stephen is representative--that we have determined that the form and function of for-profit businesses forces them to make decisions which are not in the interests of anyone but themselves. I guess it sorrows me because it has partly become true, but also because we largely don't seem to be able to see beyond some current mindsets about business. There was a time when we really admired certain companies (HP and the "HP Way," for example), and in my mind it's been a long 15 years during which individual stock-trading seems to created a mindset that values only quarterly profits--and believes that profit is the one measure that benefits everyone. Another sad trend in the commercial marketplace over same period of time has been the use of "lock-in" as a customer strategy. Granted, as customers demand lower prices and more value, "lock-in" looks attractive to the supplier because of the costs of marketing and acquiring customers is hard to shoulder on a single low-cost transaction--but it has given the proprietary software industry a pretty bad reputation in some areas, and deservedly so. Placing an emphasis on "lock-in" seems to directly minimize the effort to create a satisfied customer who continues doing business because of their positive experiences. Is there an alternative to "lock-in" when customers want more and more, but to pay less and less? There is a fascinating opportunity for discussion here, especially in light of the other interview I want to point out, one I recorded with Larry Augustin on the business of Open Source, who is an angel investor and is on the board of a number of companies based on Open Source software. Because Free and Open Source software is so much at the heart of both the Internet and Web 2.0, it might seem that some of the core values of the movement would make their way back into the business world. Google may, in many ways, be the great test case of this, with their "don't be evil" motto, the general trust people place in them, and their willingness to give away services. But with increasing power and information will come the temptations and pressures to create financial gain in areas where there won't be general public agreement as to how Google should act. Can they keep to a high road and satisfy all their constituencies? It will be interesting to watch. Some questions: * Do we believe that companies operate only on the pursuit of selfish interests? That would obviously be too broad a generalization, but Stephen gives the impression that no for-profit companies can be trusted. * Do we think that a free market, even with the problems we see today, ultimately produces the best long-term result? * While many talk about "selfish interest" being the driving force behind a free-market economy, might we not argue that "choice" and the freedom to make choices is just as compelling a rationale for the free market, and a better framework for providing moral guidance? * Is a government bureaucracy, like the one Stephen describes to handle all school purchases, just as likely to produce negative results as the free market? What would be lost with centralized decision-making and what would be gained? * Is there an alternative to commercial marketing to schools? Does the shilling of educational technology at trade show exhibition halls help or hurt schools and students? * Does it ultimately come down to just being a good/informed consumer? * What companies have you dealt with in the school market that have been "purpose-driven" or are ones that you trust? Are there many, or are there few? These, and other interviews, can be downloaded or listened to directly at http://edtechlive.wikispaces.com/Recordings+List -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.EdTechLive.com (Podcasts, Workshops, & Conferences) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 00:08:49 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:08:49 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] can't log in with username Message-ID: Out of the blue I can't log in using my regular user name. Every other user can log in. I get the message bash: /home/krsnendu/.bashrc: Permission denied I have check the permissions for /home/krsnendu and .bashrc they both seem the same as every other user. I am not sure what I have done. How do I fix this? I get the feeling that the file is locked somehow but I dont know what to do about it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Subject: [K12OSN] Re: can't log in with username When I try to login with ssh this is what I get. login as: krsnendu krsnendu at hkschool.dyndns.ws's password: Last login: Thu Nov 30 13:15:49 2006 from 124.197.17.180 Could not chdir to home directory /home/krsnendu: Permission denied -bash: /home/krsnendu/.bash_profile: Permission denied On 30/11/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: Out of the blue I can't log in using my regular user name. Every other user can log in. I get the message bash: /home/krsnendu/.bashrc: Permission denied I have check the permissions for /home/krsnendu and .bashrc they both seem the same as every other user. I am not sure what I have done. How do I fix this? I get the feeling that the file is locked somehow but I dont know what to do about it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Every other > user can log in. > I get the message > > bash: /home/krsnendu/.bashrc: Permission denied > I have check the permissions for /home/krsnendu and .bashrc they both seem > the same as every other user. > > I am not sure what I have done. How do I fix this? > I get the feeling that the file is locked somehow but I dont know what to > do about it. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Nov 30 02:18:32 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:18:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: can't log in with username In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4991.76.179.82.249.1164853112.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> check /home..everyone havae permission to enter? 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On 30/11/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > check /home..everyone havae permission to enter? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 30 06:56:17 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:56:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0 32bit with more than 4G of ram Message-ID: <456E8091.3080906@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Fedora Core 6 changes how the kernels are configured. If you install the 32bit version of FC6 on a server with more than 4G of ram, by default it will only be able to access the first 4G. To access more than 4G of ram on a 32bit install, you need to install the kernel-PAE package: yum install kernel-PAE and reboot. The PAE kernel can access up to 64G of ram on a 32bit install. -Eric From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 07:02:23 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:02:23 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Freenx vs NX free version Message-ID: What is the difference between Freenx and NX free edition? Does one have any advantage over the other? Has anyone got the java web companion to work? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 30 15:12:41 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:12:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Scripting Question Message-ID: <20061130150926.M60323@winonacotter.org> I hate to post another scripting question out here again, but you guys are so darn good it would be a shame not to :-) I have a folder full of files, I need a script that deletes any files in that folder that are more than 30 days old. Sort of an automatic pruning. I will start google'ing as well but thought I would throw this out here quick. I would think it would be something like take current date - 30 and then remove any files with a date less than that result. But I have no idea of what syntax to use with dates, usually not as simple as basic math because if variable length months. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From caldodge at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 15:14:45 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:14:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Scripting Question In-Reply-To: <20061130150926.M60323@winonacotter.org> References: <20061130150926.M60323@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0611300714j495dc7f2s5573f86c5e8e9c5a@mail.gmail.com> On 11/30/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I hate to post another scripting question out here again, but you guys are so > darn good it would be a shame not to :-) > > I have a folder full of files, I need a script that deletes any files in that > folder that are more than 30 days old. Sort of an automatic pruning. I will find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -exec rm -f {} ';' Calvin From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 30 16:19:24 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:19:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Scripting Question In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0611300714j495dc7f2s5573f86c5e8e9c5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061130150926.M60323@winonacotter.org> <824a5f7a0611300714j495dc7f2s5573f86c5e8e9c5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456F048C.5030703@mesd.k12.or.us> Calvin Dodge wrote: > On 11/30/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> I hate to post another scripting question out here again, but you guys >> are so >> darn good it would be a shame not to :-) >> >> I have a folder full of files, I need a script that deletes any files >> in that >> folder that are more than 30 days old. Sort of an automatic pruning. >> I will > > find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -exec rm -f {} ';' Fun trivia: xargs is faster than -exec'ing on every file. It will delete the files together with one invocation of "rm" (or in optimally sized chunks if you're deleting _lots_ of files): find /FOLDERNAME -type -f -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 30 16:21:47 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:21:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Scripting Question In-Reply-To: <456F048C.5030703@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20061130150926.M60323@winonacotter.org> <824a5f7a0611300714j495dc7f2s5573f86c5e8e9c5a@mail.gmail.com> <456F048C.5030703@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <456F051B.5040206@mesd.k12.or.us> Dan Young wrote: > Calvin Dodge wrote: >> On 11/30/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>> I hate to post another scripting question out here again, but you guys >>> are so >>> darn good it would be a shame not to :-) >>> >>> I have a folder full of files, I need a script that deletes any files >>> in that >>> folder that are more than 30 days old. Sort of an automatic pruning. >>> I will >> find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -exec rm -f {} ';' > > Fun trivia: xargs is faster than -exec'ing on every file. It will delete > the files together with one invocation of "rm" (or in optimally sized > chunks if you're deleting _lots_ of files): > > find /FOLDERNAME -type -f -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f Oops: find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From nils at breun.nl Thu Nov 30 16:42:19 2006 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:42:19 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Scripting Question In-Reply-To: <456F051B.5040206@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20061130150926.M60323@winonacotter.org> <824a5f7a0611300714j495dc7f2s5573f86c5e8e9c5a@mail.gmail.com> <456F048C.5030703@mesd.k12.or.us> <456F051B.5040206@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Dan Young wrote: >>> find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -exec rm -f {} ';' >> >> Fun trivia: xargs is faster than -exec'ing on every file. It will >> delete >> the files together with one invocation of "rm" (or in optimally sized >> chunks if you're deleting _lots_ of files): >> >> find /FOLDERNAME -type -f -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f > > Oops: > > find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f I don't see the difference. Is it me? Nils. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 30 16:46:18 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:46:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Scripting Question In-Reply-To: References: <20061130150926.M60323@winonacotter.org> <824a5f7a0611300714j495dc7f2s5573f86c5e8e9c5a@mail.gmail.com> <456F048C.5030703@mesd.k12.or.us> <456F051B.5040206@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <456F0ADA.9010704@mesd.k12.or.us> Nils Breunese wrote: > Dan Young wrote: > >>>> find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -exec rm -f {} ';' >>> >>> Fun trivia: xargs is faster than -exec'ing on every file. It will delete >>> the files together with one invocation of "rm" (or in optimally sized >>> chunks if you're deleting _lots_ of files): >>> >>> find /FOLDERNAME -type -f -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f >> >> Oops: >> >> find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f > > I don't see the difference. Is it me? A misplaced hyphen: '-type -f' vs. '-type f' -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 30 16:47:30 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:47:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Scripting Question In-Reply-To: References: <20061130150926.M60323@winonacotter.org> <824a5f7a0611300714j495dc7f2s5573f86c5e8e9c5a@mail.gmail.com> <456F048C.5030703@mesd.k12.or.us> <456F051B.5040206@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1164905250.21082.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 17:42 +0100, Nils Breunese wrote: > >>> find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -exec rm -f {} ';' > >> > >> Fun trivia: xargs is faster than -exec'ing on every file. It will > >> delete > >> the files together with one invocation of "rm" (or in optimally sized > >> chunks if you're deleting _lots_ of files): > >> > >> find /FOLDERNAME -type -f -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f > > > > Oops: > > > > find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f > > I don't see the difference. Is it me? -type f instead of -type -f. When I run this kind of command from the command line I'd first try find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -print and look at the list, using control-C to stop if it is too long, then if it looks like the right list of file, hit up-arrow to recall the command and add the rest of it to actually do the rm's. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 30 18:26:10 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:26:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Scripting Question In-Reply-To: <20061130150926.M60323@winonacotter.org> References: <20061130150926.M60323@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <456F2242.6050504@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I hate to post another scripting question out here again, but you > guys are so darn good it would be a shame not to :-) > > I have a folder full of files, I need a script that deletes any files > in that folder that are more than 30 days old. Sort of an automatic > pruning. I will start google'ing as well but thought I would throw > this out here quick. I would think it would be something like take > current date - 30 and then remove any files with a date less than > that result. But I have no idea of what syntax to use with dates, > usually not as simple as basic math because if variable length > months. > How about using the tmpwatch utility? To delete files & folders in /FOLDER that have not been accessed in the last 30 days: tmpwatch 720 /FOLDER To delete files & folders in /FOLDER that have not been modified in the last 30 days: tmpwatch -mtime 720 /FOLDER -Eric man tmpwatch DESCRIPTION tmpwatch recursively removes files which haven't been accessed for a given number of hours. Normally, it's used to clean up directories which are used for temporary holding space such as /tmp. When changing directories, tmpwatch is very sensitive to possible race conditions and will exit with an error if one is detected. It does not follow symbolic links in the directories it's cleaning (even if a symbolic link is given as its argument), will not switch filesystems, skips lost+found directories owned by the root user, and only removes empty directories regular files, and symbolic links. By default, tmpwatch dates files by their atime (access time), not their mtime (modification time). If files aren't being removed when ls -l implies they should be, use ls -u to examine their atime to see if that explains the problem. If the --atime, --ctime or --mtime options are used in combination, the decision about deleting a file will be based on the maximum of these times. The --dirmtime option implies ignoring atime of directories, even if the --atime option is used. The hours parameter defines the threshold for removing files. If the file has not been accessed for hours hours, the file is removed. Following this, one or more directories may be given for tmpwatch to clean up. From ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca Thu Nov 30 18:50:35 2006 From: ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca (Ryan Hackl) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:50:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid and Exclusion List Message-ID: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57E0@mail1.lskysd.ca> Hi! Squid is working great, but now I need to add a website that won't work if squid is "on". I've tried adding it to the acl, but no success yet. Therefore, what is the correct syntax so I can 'exclude' a certain server from being included in the squid's cache? Thanks (again) - Ryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Thu Nov 30 18:52:41 2006 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:52:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Scripting Question In-Reply-To: <456F0ADA.9010704@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20061130150926.M60323@winonacotter.org> <824a5f7a0611300714j495dc7f2s5573f86c5e8e9c5a@mail.gmail.com> <456F048C.5030703@mesd.k12.or.us> <456F051B.5040206@mesd.k12.or.us> <456F0ADA.9010704@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <239A3719-1A14-4179-8886-154ED24C3221@breun.nl> Dan Young wrote: > Nils Breunese wrote: >> Dan Young wrote: >> >>>>> find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -exec rm -f {} ';' >>>> >>>> Fun trivia: xargs is faster than -exec'ing on every file. It >>>> will delete >>>> the files together with one invocation of "rm" (or in optimally >>>> sized >>>> chunks if you're deleting _lots_ of files): >>>> >>>> find /FOLDERNAME -type -f -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f >>> >>> Oops: >>> >>> find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f >> >> I don't see the difference. Is it me? > > A misplaced hyphen: > '-type -f' vs. '-type f' I think I may have looked at it five times, but I really didn't see it. I was about to run md5sum on those commands... :o) Nils. From thewhitmers at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 19:25:45 2006 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:25:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Freenx vs NX free version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/30/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > What is the difference between Freenx and NX free edition? Does one have any > advantage over the other? > Has anyone got the java web companion to work? > As I understand it, freenx is fully GPL whereas NX free edition is merely free-of-cost. Also, I think NX free edition limits the number of concurrent users. David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 30 20:22:49 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:22:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Scripting Question In-Reply-To: <456F2242.6050504@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20061130150926.M60323@winonacotter.org> <456F2242.6050504@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20061130201908.M39858@winonacotter.org> > How about using the tmpwatch utility? Thanks everyone for the quick responses. I will play with the suggestions a little and see which will work best for my situation. Thanks again everyone. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean.