[K12OSN] Advocacy: barriers to adoption (was LTSP presentation to Ed tech
Petre Scheie
petre at maltzen.net
Thu Oct 12 13:42:44 UTC 2006
The site licenses, such as the one Alberta has I suspect, are based on MS's Software
Assurance Policy, which they brought out a few years ago. They' also offered
significant discounts to schools on those policies. If you look at the wording of the
policy, you'll find something quite insidious: The cost is calculated on the total
number of PCs the licensee has, whether they are x86/Windows, or Macs, or Linux boxes,
whether they use MS software or not. This is a brilliant move for MS that is bad for
everyone else, because it removes any advantage a school might get by even _trying_ an
alternative. You could propose, say, OOo, in just a lab to cut licensing costs by 30
machines. Except with SAP, you don't save any money because you're paying for MS Office
whether you use it or not. THAT was one of MS's primary goals with SAP, to remove any
motivation for even trying something else.
People in my office say "We can use SQL server for a project and not have to pay for it
because we have a site license." Fools. We pay for it, in the site license, which we
settle up each year, in which they look at how many machines we have running MS stuff.
It may not come out of that particular department's budget, but the company still pays
for it. MS isn't a charity, and like any business, ultimately they're after your money.
There's nothing wrong with that, as that's the way business works. But if you use
their stuff, one way or another, you'll pay for it.
Petre
Joe Guenther wrote:
> I really agree with David Trask... My presentation is not full of FOSS
> evangelism. That is NOT why I use an open source solution. I use it
> because it works the best. What OTHER solution is there to use old
> iMacs as thin clients? you tell me! We could setup a Windows terminal
> server, as suggested by our School Division Director of IT, but then we
> would have to buy clients. We use this solution because it works with
> our existing workstations. AND because it is economical to "license"
> AND it does all we need it to do.
>
> One of the things that really scews the MS vs Linux comparison here in
> Alberta is that the the Alberta government has entered into a site
> license agreement for all computers in all schools. Thus it costs us
> nothing!! to install MS Office. IF that were not the case, then the
> OpenOffice and Linux desktop debate would be much more interesting. As
> it is the cost comparison is not nearly as crass as it otherwise would
> be. But regardless of that, I use the LTSP because it is a just plain
> great solution to the problems we faced in our division.
>
> Joe Guenther
>
>
> David Trask wrote:
>> Maine has their annual big tech conference this Friday and there are
>> several Open Source offerings for folks to attend....and guess what? This
>> year I am not presenting! Why is this important? It shows how far we've
>> come....the movement has spread beyond just a select few....and has now
>> reached the others. The biggest thing I have learned over the past few
>> years is "Just do it". Don't spend too much time making a big deal about
>> it....or pontificating about the value of FOSS or projecting a "holier
>> than thou" attitude about FOSS. Simply start using it as if it were any
>> other piece of software. Conduct workshops on how to use it...just like
>> anything else....and then when folks ask about how much it costs or how to
>> get it....then explain briefly a little bit about FOSS and so forth, but
>> not too much....as it's human nature to assume "Free" is substandard. WE
>> as linux geeks...understand the concept, many do not. They can be won
>> over, but it's a slow process. Once you understand that....then and only
>> then can you begin "winning" them over. You'll eventually see things get
>> to a point where there will be a paradigm shift in thinking and suddenly
>> there will be more widespread adoption. Maine has a one-to-one laptop
>> program that is now in it's second round (5th year). We have Apple iBooks
>> for every 7th and 8th grader in the entire state. It's a program that has
>> worked wonders for us here in Maine. Not every state or district has had
>> the same success, but I attribute some of the success to the attitude
>> behind technology in our state in the first place. The image that was
>> created for the laptop project this time around (we are on our second
>> full-scale deployment...as the laptops are part of a 4 year lease
>> program...we are in our 5th year...so this year we have all new laptops)
>> has a number of Open Source titles on it. NeoOffice, GIMP, Cyberduck, and
>> a bunch more. Now think about this...the image was created by the project
>> team (Apple folks and state DOE folks) based on input and lessons learned
>> from the past. We have come a long way. Now every 7th and 8th grader in
>> Maine is using FOSS on a daily basis....no one made a big deal out of
>> it....it just happened. This is cool....now kids are downloading and
>> installing OpenOffice on their home computers to be more compatible with
>> NeoOffice (mac version of OO). When I present at conferences about
>> LTSP....I tell folks...don't ask for permission and go before the school
>> board etc.....just do it....roll out an LTSP lab....let it show everyone
>> how it works and saves money and build on that success. If you make a big
>> deal out of it...folks will become naturally defensive, but if you install
>> it with little fanfare and simply show that it works without interfering
>> with the general flow of things....you'll turn heads....slowly, but
>> they'll start to see...."hey, this can work". As for the vendors and the
>> sour looks....in Maine...more and more vendors are realizing that if they
>> don't develop Linux versions....they're going to get left behind. It's
>> amazing how many vendors each year show up at this conference with a new
>> attitude and a new product line geared toward Linux. Just like in Field
>> of Dreams....build it and they will come (or come around).
>>
>>
>> "Support list for open source software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com>
>> writes:
>>
>>> I'd like to add what Robert has said.
>>>
>>> I just came from ITEC (Iowa Technology and Education Connection). I
>>> looked and looked for open source seminars there, and really only
>>> heard 3 where open source software was mentioned, Moodle being the
>>> only FOSS project to have its own seminar. The rest only had open
>>> source mentioned in passing. Most vendors got a sour look on their
>>> face when I mentioned open source, with the exception of the people
>>> selling the web/mail/spam/virus filter appliances. Of course their
>>> stuff was built on open source, but they packaged it all together to
>>> work nicely.
>>>
>>> In one seminar, entitled "The Great OS War of 2007", the speaker
>>> mentioned Linux at the very tail end of his seminar, saying that it
>>> was "still in development" and "comparable to Mac OS8 or Windows 95 in
>>> its development stage". I really didn't agree with that last comment,
>>> but here's the "expert" (actually, this guy was a Mac fanatic) giving
>>> his opinion as fact to everyone that Linux "may be ready by 2009".
>>>
>>> It discouraged me so much that I intend to do 2 presentations, one on
>>> FOSS in general (with an emphasis on mostly cross-platform
>>> applications), and another on K12LTSP.
>>>
>>> [my turn on the soapbox]
>>> While I know shame isn't always the best motivator, I intend to share
>>> my opinion that any district that DOESN'T adopt open source software
>>> obviously has too much money to waste. Most of those here in Iowa are
>>> rather pragmatic, and if you can get something that does what you want
>>> for a good price, you get it. If it's free, even better. To me, its
>>> like a smoker who complains about not having enough money for
>>> rent/gas/food/children's school supplies. Perhaps if they were
>>> smarter about how they spend their money, re-consider what's really
>>> necessairy and what isn't, they would have the money to cover
>>> necessairy things. If we weren't addicted to commercial software, we
>>> can accomplish the job, and still have money for things that are
>>> needed like that new roof for the high school, an upgraded electrical
>>> system, new plumbing, that new addition to the grade school (all
>>> things our district currently needs to pay for).
>>> [/end soapbox]
>>>
>>> So consider any reply you make to this thread as one that I may
>>> potentially be discussing at ITEC 2007. I'm always up for more good
>>> ways to convince people FOSS is the way.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On 10/11/06, Robert Arkiletian <robark at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/11/06, Joe Guenther <jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been asked to do a 1hr presentation about LTSP to the Alberta
>>>>> Technology Leaders for Education Conference. www.alte.ca I had done
>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>> similar presentation last year regionally and thus was recommended and
>>>>> now asked to do one for the all Alberta conference. So its neat to see
>>>>> other tech leaders take notice.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will be bringing a small "server," a couple of old PC's and an old
>>>>> tray load iMac as a demonstration on how to use LTSP to "recycle" old
>>>>> workstations. In our school division there are hundreds of old iMacs
>>>>> that are now too slow, too old of an OS to be very useful anymore. But
>>>>> they continue to litter our computer labs. They make GREAT ltsp
>>>>> clients! So for about $110/workstation you can have a modern up2date,
>>>>> blazing fast computer lab again. You thought the $100 laptop was only
>>>>> for poor communities in India and Africa. We can accomplish the same
>>>>> value for your buck with LTSP.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have already done 3 computer labs in my area of the school division.
>>>>> I am working on joining 2 more schools with fibre and then they both
>>>>>
>>> get
>>>
>>>>> their old iMac labs upgraded to LTSP from a single server.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any presentation ideas & sucess stories & gotcha's are always welcome
>>>>>
>>>> Demo FL_TeacherTool and let them know that many others in Canada like
>>>> myself are using K12LTSP successfully. Remember the number one benefit
>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>> not cost savings on initial systems purchase but on ease/cost of
>>>> maintenance.
>>>> *************But be sure to explain FOSS carefully.**************
>>>>
>>>> *steps on soapbox*
>>>> After listening to Steve Hargadon podcast interview of Maddog.
>>>> k12opensource.com
>>>> I remembered my conversation with our districts IT admin.
>>>> I think the main issue holding back adoption is getting people to
>>>>
>>> really
>>>
>>>> understand and BELIEVE in FOSS.
>>>> The response I got back was that the "Open Source development model
>>>>
>>> was not
>>>
>>>> something the district could rely upon".
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever tried explaining FOSS to someone who has never heard of
>>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>> before?
>>>>
>>>> After about TEN minutes of explaining they may understand the
>>>> constructs/rules by which it operates but I would be very surprised if
>>>>
>>> they
>>>
>>>> understood the implications and consequences. I think part of the reason
>>>> Cath and Bazzar was so revolutionary was that it was the first
>>>>
>>> explanation
>>>
>>>> of this seemingly counter intuitive phenomenon. Problem is most people
>>>>
>>> will
>>>
>>>> not read it, I haven't even read every word of The C and B. Most people
>>>>
>>> when
>>>
>>>> they hear the word "Free" immediatley think "Nothing is free!" or as ESR
>>>> puts it "It must be cheap/shoddy quality". The first question I usually
>>>>
>>> get
>>>
>>>> is "if it's free how do they make money?". Convincing people in
>>>>
>>> positions of
>>>
>>>> power (who are not FOSS savvy) that the development model is reliable
>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>> robust is difficult especially when they are not directly paying money
>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>> the software. I've heard comments like "what if the devs decide to stop
>>>>
>>> work
>>>
>>>> on the project? Then where are we left?" If you already have thought
>>>>
>>> about
>>>
>>>> this question (which I don't believe everyone in FOSS has) you can reply
>>>> that the developers are usually the people who need the software the
>>>>
>>> most so
>>>
>>>> they have a vested interest in seeing continued development. Also since
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> devs are also (usually) users of the software there is good
>>>>
>>> communication
>>>
>>>> between users and devs. In the FOSS world this close relationship
>>>>
>>> between
>>>
>>>> users and devs produces great software as it's in a continual state of
>>>> improvment directed by user requests/desires. So FOSS development DOES
>>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>> direction: The best kind.
>>>> In addition the potential to participate in FOSS should not be
>>>>
>>> overlooked
>>>
>>>> (as it usually is). Imagine if a school district says "we need this
>>>>
>>> feature"
>>>
>>>> so they hire a dev (or pay an existing dev in the project) to add it
>>>>
>>> and in
>>>
>>>> the process provide that feature to everyone else on the planet.
>>>>
>>> Sometimes
>>>
>>>> this opportunity gets a response of "Why should we pay for something
>>>>
>>> others
>>>
>>>> will benefit from?" But remind them it also means others improvments
>>>>
>>> will
>>>
>>>> become your benefits. In the regular business world this IDEA is not
>>>> something which is not second nature as most businesses work on a "Dog
>>>>
>>> eat
>>>
>>>> dog, everyone for themselves attitude". This doesn't work in FOSS.
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line. It's not easy to truly understand and believe in FOSS.
>>>>
>>> It's
>>>
>>>> taken me years to discover it's full potential. THIS is, in my opinion,
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> biggest barrier of adoption.
>>>> *steps off soapbox*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Joe Guenther
>>>>> LANtech - Didsbury Schools
>>>>> Chinook's Edge School Div. #73
>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> Robert Arkiletian
>>>> Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada
>>>> Fl_TeacherTool
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>>
>>
>> David N. Trask
>> Technology Teacher/Director
>> Vassalboro Community School
>> dtrask at vcsvikings.org
>> (207)923-3100
>>
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