From yorick at xtra.co.nz Sun Apr 1 13:33:26 2007 From: yorick at xtra.co.nz (Graham) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 01:33:26 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Listens to the Users I guess In-Reply-To: <460C4FBB.5090508@paasda.org> References: <460C4FBB.5090508@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200704020133.26364.yorick@xtra.co.nz> On Friday 30 March 2007 11:46, Huck wrote: > This is actually from a Slashdot comment I received after complaining > that OO doesn't allow audio clips to span more than 1 slide in a > presentation...You too can get your voice heard! I love this FOSS stuff ;) > > 1-Create an account > http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/Join [openoffice.org] [openoffice.org] > > 2-Login and do a search on your bug/pet peeves > > 3-Vote for this bug if it matches your problem. (At this time it has 203 > votes!) > http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=24 969 [openoffice.org] > Yep do all as above. However on this particular issue don't expect lightning reaction. Reason being that this is a _feature_ in OOo of something that is a _bug_ in PowerPoint. There is nothing worse in Powerpoint than having to wait till a sound file finishes before you can change slides. PITA! In Impress, if I want a sound file to run over several slides then I simply change the "slides" to transitions on a single slide. It simply means that all the slides have to share a background. However, as Huck points out, voting does affect the way developers look at individual issues. Proof of this is in one particular issue that became a pet of mine: Getting stylist to remember which type of styles you had selected when you last edited a document. (http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4854) I asked people on OOoforum to vote and that enhancement will now be in 2.3 Oh and as an aside, if you didn't know already, OpenOffice.org 2.2 was released yesterday. version count went: 2.0 2.0.1 2.0.2 2.0.3 2.0.4 2.1 2.2 So how old is your version :) Cheers GL -- "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz From yorick at xtra.co.nz Mon Apr 2 00:27:58 2007 From: yorick at xtra.co.nz (Graham) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:27:58 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Listens to the Users I guess In-Reply-To: References: <460C4FBB.5090508@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200704021227.58648.yorick@xtra.co.nz> On Sunday 01 April 2007 07:11, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > How do you get the sound working in Impress? I wanted to use it but > there was something about a java applet needed... Does the sound work > over ltsp? > The sound works fine in windows. To get sound working in Impress you need JRE (Java Runtime Environment) installed. Some distributions don't install JRE by default, Windows comes with it already installed. You can check by going tools>options>openoffice.org>java to see if a JRE is installed. If it's blank you can go to www.java.com and download it Cheers GL -- "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sun Apr 1 12:33:26 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 07:33:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki In-Reply-To: <1175346832.12187.3.camel@dbserver> References: <1175346832.12187.3.camel@dbserver> Message-ID: <460FA696.1080404@scheie.homedns.org> Vince- I created an empty document called Neoware under the Hardware section of the wiki, at http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Neoware&action=edit To edit a page, you have to login; to login, just make up an ID & PW for yourself and login. If you need more than one page to post your Neoware info, and want help, post back to the list and I or someone else can create additional pages for you. All, there are three documents under Technical with notes about specific clients: A Compaq and a couple of Dells (one of which I wrote). It seems to me that these would be more logically placed under Hardware, so I put links to them under the Hardware section. I think any future documents on clients should arguably go under Hardware, as Technical is more of a miscellaneous catch-all section. However, I've left the three documents mentioned under Technical in case anyone has them bookmarked, etc. Petre Vince Callaway wrote: > Ok, time for a confession. > > I've been working with some form of Unix/Linux for about 20 years. Even > with all that experience I'm clueless about wiki editing. > > If someone would be so kind as to setup a section for Neoware on the > thin clients page I will put up the info on them. I can figure out > basic editing, just not sure how to create a new section. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sun Apr 1 12:44:00 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 07:44:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Intel PXE 0.99b ltsp booting In-Reply-To: <1175347455.12187.13.camel@dbserver> References: <1175347455.12187.13.camel@dbserver> Message-ID: <460FA910.6010003@scheie.homedns.org> Vince- I added this to the wiki, as it's terrific info. Petre Vince Callaway wrote: > I picked up some old intel nic's off ebay. I wanted to see if the built > in pxe would ltsp boot. > > The cards have the 0.99b version of pxe. From what I understand they > are pretty common cards. They are also cheap. I bought a lot of 5 and > with shipping was $8.98 total. That's less than $2 each. > > The good news is they work. A couple of minor changes are needed to the > server. > > In /etc/xinted.d/tftp > > Change the line that reads: > server_args = -s /tftpboot > > to: > server_args = -s /tftpboot -r blksize > > In the file /etc/sysctl.conf > Add this line: > net.ipv4.ip_no_pmtu_disc = 1 > > For those wanting to get away from floppy booting this solution will > work. Just don't everyone hit ebay at once and drive the price up :) > > Also, make sure you don't get the cards that have a boot prom socket. > Those obviously don't have pxe built in. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Apr 1 14:34:48 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:34:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] gdm auto-login Message-ID: <43940.192.168.254.3.1175438088.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Could someone give me a link to a good gdm auto-login howto for V5 K12LTSP. I seen there is a howto on the k12ltsp wiki but I can not get that setup to log a specific user into a specific terminal. Id like to have the: ws001 auto login johndoe ws002 auto login janedoe etc,,, Thanks, Barry Cisna From vince at totalsense.com Sun Apr 1 16:34:00 2007 From: vince at totalsense.com (Vince Callaway) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 09:34:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Intel PXE 0.99b ltsp booting Message-ID: <1175445240.9845.7.camel@dbserver> Thanks for setting this up. I will go in later today and do an update. I found the PROBOOT.EXE utility and updated the cards to the newer boot agent. I had a bit of an issue because floppy drives, windows and DOS disappeared from my home many years ago. I found a cool little tool that lets you pxe boot any boot floppy. It came with the freedos boot image. I was able to pxe boot dos, run the update tool and upgrade the firmware. The newer firmware boots MUCH faster. By this evening I will have all of this on the wiki. From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sun Apr 1 16:47:56 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:47:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gdm auto-login In-Reply-To: <43940.192.168.254.3.1175438088.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <43940.192.168.254.3.1175438088.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <460FE23C.7030008@scheie.homedns.org> With autologin, a specific ID *must* be tied to a given client machine. There are at least four documents on the wiki regarding autologin: Two under Technical, and two under Software. I think the ones under Software are the most recent. I just added this one a month or two ago: http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/A_more_complete_How-To_for_setting_up_autologin_of_clients_using_Gnome_%26_GDM It includes the very important patch to V5's gdm package which is needed to make autologin work. Which document did you look at? Petre Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello All, > > Could someone give me a link to a good gdm auto-login howto for V5 K12LTSP. > I seen there is a howto on the k12ltsp wiki but I can not get that setup > to log a specific user into a specific terminal. > Id like to have the: > ws001 auto login johndoe > ws002 auto login janedoe > > etc,,, > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 16:50:41 2007 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:50:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OpenOffice Listens to the Users I guess Message-ID: <8b88203f0704010950u5add9cbemd0d07959c97f7014@mail.gmail.com> One thing I show students and quite like about Open Office Doc types is how easy it is to extract images from any file- Just unzip it and voila: everything there. 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Thanks everybody. -Rob From rowens at ptd.net Sun Apr 1 17:35:09 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:35:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and Windows DNS Message-ID: <20070401173509.GB12089@clubber.owens.net> Are there any complications with using an LTSP server (which also handles DHCP), but letting a Windows server handle DNS? If this does cause complications, could someone point me to a good how-to for setting up DNS on CentOS (I'll be running K12LTSP 5.0.0EL)? If I do this, would I remove all the "ws00x" lines from /etc/hosts? (I'm assuming you don't need these if you're running DNS). Thanks a bunch. -Rob From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Apr 1 17:59:20 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:59:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and Windows DNS In-Reply-To: <20070401173509.GB12089@clubber.owens.net> References: <20070401173509.GB12089@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <460FF2F8.1040201@cmosnetworks.com> Windows DNS has given us problems at work, so I'm convinced that BIND is the way to go. I've been using it since BIND v8. The best how-to for that is the O'Reilly book "DNS and BIND", which, like pretty much all O'Reilly books, is very easy reading and actually explains how to to DNS in English. Ask pretty much *any* relatively recent (last 10 years) DNS guru how they learned, and they'll probably mention this book. As for CentOS, setting up BIND on CentOS is basically the same as setting it up on any other UNIX-like system. Doesn't really matter if it's Slackware, FreeBSD, Slowaris, whatever. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Rob Owens wrote: > Are there any complications with using an LTSP server (which also > handles DHCP), but letting a Windows server handle DNS? If this does > cause complications, could someone point me to a good how-to for setting > up DNS on CentOS (I'll be running K12LTSP 5.0.0EL)? > > If I do this, would I remove all the "ws00x" lines from /etc/hosts? > (I'm assuming you don't need these if you're running DNS). > > Thanks a bunch. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 19:00:09 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:00:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB-LDAP and WPA-Enterprise Wifi Security Message-ID: <200704011500.09290.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> I have written a "HowTo" that details how to use FreeRADIUS with the domain set up with the "smbldap-installer" script to implement "WPA-Enterprise" Wifi security (aka 802.11i RSN for 802.11). I have put up a "googlepage" http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/hoto%3Awpawithfreeradiusandsmb-ldap Please forgive the URL, google chose it from my (mistyped) title. The system described is a testbed only. It hasn't been field tested at all (anyone have a Wifi network handy?), so caveat emptor. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 22:01:36 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:01:36 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] How important is ram for an ldap /home server? Message-ID: I have bought a Gb lan card, an sata (ncq) card and sata2 hds for an amd athlon 1.2 How much Ram should I get? Does it make much performance difference for a file server like this? From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Mon Apr 2 01:27:50 2007 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:27:50 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Blocked net access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5F48801C-E0B9-11DB-8F88-000393C5DC16@k12.hi.us> On Saturday, January 13, 2007, at 01:56 PM, Nakashima wrote: > On Saturday, January 13, 2007, at 01:14 AM, Nakashima wrote: > >>> John Lucas wrote: >>>> Yes. Unless changes are made, your LTSP server is not set up as a >>>> router and won't pass packets from the "inside" network to the >>>> "outside" network. The terminals run processes on the server, which >>>> has access to both networks, but non-terminals attached to the >>>> "inside" do not have access to the outside. To keep the PCs on the >>>> inside and allow them out, you need to make several changes: >>>> - turn on packet forwarding on the server (make it a router) >>>> - give the server's inside address as a router in the DHCP stanza >>>> for the PCs >>>> - make sure you don't have an IPTables rule preventing forwarding >>>> - make sure your perimeter router knows the route back to the >>>> inside network >>>> - make sure your perimeter firewall allows the inside network to >>>> forward >>>> This is all basic TCP/IP networking 101 and is not specific to LTSP. >>> >>> K12LTSP should come with a script to do all of this, though. Try >>> service nat on >>> to start it and >>> chkconfig nat on >>> to make it start automatically at boot up. Your other routers >>> shouldn't >>> need to know about the eth0 address range because outgoing packets >>> nat to the eth1 address. I thought this was normally set up during >>> a default install. >>> >>> -- >>> Les Mikesell >>> lesmikesell at gmail.com >> >> Thanks John, Dan, and Les, >> I did the following in Terminal >> >> service nat start >> chkconfig nat on >> >> No luck. >> I can ping addresses on the outside from an OS X Mac, but can't get >> to the web with a browser. >> I'm not very technical, so any further help you can provide will be >> greatly appreciated. >> --Peter > > I received a tip to check the DNS settings. I will be doing that on > Tuesday. > Thanks :-) > --Peter Just wanted to finish up the thread. It turned out to be the firewall. Once I disabled the firewall, everything worked. Thanks for all the help. --Peter From daengbo at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 04:17:11 2007 From: daengbo at gmail.com (Daniel Bodanske) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:17:11 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] gdm auto-login In-Reply-To: <460FE23C.7030008@scheie.homedns.org> References: <43940.192.168.254.3.1175438088.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <460FE23C.7030008@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: Wow. That is a cool hack to get around using GDM for per-client autologin. Back in the day, we always just caved in and used KDM, which does it natively. Kudos to your initiative! Dan On 4/2/07, Peter Scheie wrote: > With autologin, a specific ID *must* be tied to a given client machine. > There are at least four documents on the wiki regarding autologin: > Two under Technical, and two under Software. I think the ones under > Software are the most recent. I just added this one a month or two ago: > > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/A_more_complete_How-To_for_setting_up_autologin_of_clients_using_Gnome_%26_GDM > > It includes the very important patch to V5's gdm package which is needed > to make autologin work. Which document did you look at? > > Petre > > Barry Cisna wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > Could someone give me a link to a good gdm auto-login howto for V5 K12LTSP. > > I seen there is a howto on the k12ltsp wiki but I can not get that setup > > to log a specific user into a specific terminal. > > Id like to have the: > > ws001 auto login johndoe > > ws002 auto login janedoe > > > > etc,,, > > > > Thanks, > > > > Barry Cisna > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Mon Apr 2 12:53:35 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:53:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki In-Reply-To: <1175346832.12187.3.camel@dbserver> References: <1175346832.12187.3.camel@dbserver> Message-ID: <200704020753.35968.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Hello Vince, I think you were looking for this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing I use it to train my staff on editing pages. Ray On Saturday 31 March 2007 08:13, Vince Callaway wrote: > Ok, time for a confession. > > I've been working with some form of Unix/Linux for about 20 years. Even > with all that experience I'm clueless about wiki editing. > > If someone would be so kind as to setup a section for Neoware on the > thin clients page I will put up the info on them. I can figure out > basic editing, just not sure how to create a new section. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Mon Apr 2 12:58:36 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:58:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Zoomed Printing Message-ID: <4610FDFC.507@peopleplaces.org> I'm having some trouble w/ printing in K12LTSP 5.0 x86_64. When I change settings to print a selection in Firefox, the page comes out, but Firefox locks up, giving the cascading/mirrored windows effect. When printing full areas or pages, the headers and footers that list the page numbers and address fall 95% outside of the printable area on my HP LaserJet 5P and 2100 printers, so I can only see the bottom 4-5px of the text.. just enough to know something should be there, almost like the page is zoomed at 101%. File->Page Setup shows 100% and this occurs whether 'Shrink to fit' is checked or not. I've changed the margins from .5" all around to .25" all around but this has no effect. Has anyone else seen this? Any ideas? When printing a CUPS test page, it comes out perfectly, showing the 1/4" non-printable areas. I'm not sure whether this behavior is limited to Firefox or not.. I don't know of another application that will let me print so close to the edge as Firefox. Any ideas? Avenues for testing? 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From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Mon Apr 2 13:45:52 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:45:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Removing the "Floppy" desktop icon In-Reply-To: <45C0EF84.7030901@maltzen.net> References: <45C0E5E6.4090807@arava.co.il> <45C0EF84.7030901@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200704020845.52783.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Wednesday 31 January 2007 13:35, Petre Scheie wrote: > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Disabling_local_d >evice_access_fo > Petre, I tried this with the K12LTSP version 6 and it did not work. I still get the floppy Icon on the desktop. Any other place that I can look to disable it? Ray From mel at melwade.com Mon Apr 2 14:23:47 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:23:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Problem Message-ID: <43080f460704020723g6400ccf1rb7b09b98903da337@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to run a yum update on one of my servers and I keep getting this error: [root at webserver ~]# yum update Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories Reading repository metadata in from local files Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for nss to pack into transaction set. http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/updates/nss-3.11.5-0.6.1.fc6.i386.rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 403: Content-type: text/html Trying other mirror. Error: failure: updates/nss-3.11.5-0.6.1.fc6.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. Any idea what the problem might be? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Mon Apr 2 14:40:54 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:40:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gdm auto-login In-Reply-To: References: <43940.192.168.254.3.1175438088.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <460FE23C.7030008@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <461115F6.6000102@scheie.homedns.org> Note that the broken GDM in FC5 has been fixed in FC6, and so setting up autologin under K12LTSP 6 is a bit easier, no patching needed. Petre Daniel Bodanske wrote: > Wow. That is a cool hack to get around using GDM for per-client > autologin. Back in the day, we always just caved in and used KDM, > which does it natively. Kudos to your initiative! > > Dan > > On 4/2/07, Peter Scheie wrote: >> With autologin, a specific ID *must* be tied to a given client machine. >> There are at least four documents on the wiki regarding autologin: >> Two under Technical, and two under Software. I think the ones under >> Software are the most recent. I just added this one a month or two ago: >> >> http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/A_more_complete_How-To_for_setting_up_autologin_of_clients_using_Gnome_%26_GDM >> >> >> It includes the very important patch to V5's gdm package which is needed >> to make autologin work. Which document did you look at? >> >> Petre >> >> Barry Cisna wrote: >> > Hello All, >> > >> > Could someone give me a link to a good gdm auto-login howto for V5 >> K12LTSP. >> > I seen there is a howto on the k12ltsp wiki but I can not get that >> setup >> > to log a specific user into a specific terminal. >> > Id like to have the: >> > ws001 auto login johndoe >> > ws002 auto login janedoe >> > >> > etc,,, >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Barry Cisna >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at scheie.homedns.org Mon Apr 2 14:42:58 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:42:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Removing the "Floppy" desktop icon In-Reply-To: <200704020845.52783.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <45C0E5E6.4090807@arava.co.il> <45C0EF84.7030901@maltzen.net> <200704020845.52783.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <46111672.9090101@scheie.homedns.org> Ray Garza wrote: > On Wednesday 31 January 2007 13:35, Petre Scheie wrote: >> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Disabling_local_d >> evice_access_fo >> > Petre, > > I tried this with the K12LTSP version 6 and it did not work. I still get the > floppy Icon on the desktop. Any other place that I can look to disable it? > > Ray > Are you booting from floppy? From sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org Mon Apr 2 14:42:37 2007 From: sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org (Joshua Sommermeyer) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:42:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Problem In-Reply-To: <43080f460704020723g6400ccf1rb7b09b98903da337@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E113996F4@ex01.crusaders.local> When I had this problem I think it had to do with my firewall or content filter... I changed my gateway to a non-content filtered side and it worked fine... Just a thought anyway _________________________________________ Joshua D. Sommermeyer Assistant Principal - Technology Director Concordia Lutheran High School (o) 281.351.2547 (f) 281.255.8806 www.concordiacrusaders.org sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org +++The Mission of Concordia Lutheran High School is to Build Lives of Excellence upon the Foundation of Christ. +++ ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mel Wade Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:24 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Problem I'm trying to run a yum update on one of my servers and I keep getting this error: [root at webserver ~]# yum update Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories Reading repository metadata in from local files Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for nss to pack into transaction set. http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/updates/nss-3.11.5-0. 6.1.fc6.i386.rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 403: Content-type: text/html Trying other mirror. Error: failure: updates/nss-3.11.5-0.6.1.fc6.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. Any idea what the problem might be? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From mel at melwade.com Mon Apr 2 15:02:31 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:02:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Problem In-Reply-To: <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E113996F4@ex01.crusaders.local> References: <43080f460704020723g6400ccf1rb7b09b98903da337@mail.gmail.com> <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E113996F4@ex01.crusaders.local> Message-ID: <43080f460704020802l3f1fbd3auabe6eac069f3c087@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the tip. I temporarily turned off the content filtering and it went right through. This is the first time I have run into this. I've updated many times before without a problem. On 4/2/07, Joshua Sommermeyer wrote: > > When I had this problem I think it had to do with my firewall or content > filter... I changed my gateway to a non-content filtered side and it > worked fine... > > Just a thought anyway > > _________________________________________ > Joshua D. Sommermeyer > Assistant Principal - Technology Director > Concordia Lutheran High School > (o) 281.351.2547 > (f) 281.255.8806 > www.concordiacrusaders.org > sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org > > +++The Mission of Concordia Lutheran High School is to Build Lives of > Excellence upon the Foundation of Christ. +++ > > > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Mel Wade > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:24 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Problem > > > I'm trying to run a yum update on one of my servers and I keep getting > this error: > > [root at webserver ~]# yum update > Loading "installonlyn" plugin > Setting up Update Process > Setting up repositories > Reading repository metadata in from local files > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Downloading header for nss to pack into transaction set. > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/updates/nss-3.11.5-0. > 6.1.fc6.i386.rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 403: Content-type: text/html > > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: updates/nss-3.11.5-0.6.1.fc6.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: > [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > > Any idea what the problem might be? > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Mon Apr 2 15:10:53 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:10:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Zoomed Printing In-Reply-To: <4610FDFC.507@peopleplaces.org> References: <4610FDFC.507@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <46111CFD.8010204@peopleplaces.org> As a followup, I've found that there are a few root problems. First, when playing with these printing settings, the printer dialogue box locks OFTEN, causing Firefox to crash. Firefox ignores the bottom-margin, set in File->Page Setup. This should dictate how far from the edges that content is printed. It works for top, left and right. When printing, clicking 'properties' for your printer can set the place where the headers/footers print.. I have no idea why this is controlled here and not in Firefox's File->Page Setup, but it does. These are set too low by default (.04), and should be at least .25. So, I've changed the content I need printed (address, page number) to be printed at top, where Firefox respects the margin settings. These settings are defined in prefs.js - How can I populate prefs.js to /etc/skel ? It resides normally in ~user/.mozilla/firefox/{PROFILE_NAME}, which is a Mozilla-generated field. Any ideas? Thanks, Michael Michael Blinn wrote: > I'm having some trouble w/ printing in K12LTSP 5.0 x86_64. > > When I change settings to print a selection in Firefox, the page comes > out, but Firefox locks up, giving the cascading/mirrored windows effect. > > When printing full areas or pages, the headers and footers that list > the page numbers and address fall 95% outside of the printable area on > my HP LaserJet 5P and 2100 printers, so I can only see the bottom > 4-5px of the text.. just enough to know something should be there, > almost like the page is zoomed at 101%. File->Page Setup shows 100% > and this occurs whether 'Shrink to fit' is checked or not. I've > changed the margins from .5" all around to .25" all around but this > has no effect. Has anyone else seen this? Any ideas? > > When printing a CUPS test page, it comes out perfectly, showing the > 1/4" non-printable areas. > > I'm not sure whether this behavior is limited to Firefox or not.. I > don't know of another application that will let me print so close to > the edge as Firefox. Any ideas? Avenues for testing? > > Cheers, > Michael > -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Mon Apr 2 15:07:54 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:07:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Removing the "Floppy" desktop icon In-Reply-To: <46111672.9090101@scheie.homedns.org> References: <45C0E5E6.4090807@arava.co.il> <200704020845.52783.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <46111672.9090101@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <200704021007.55190.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Monday 02 April 2007 09:42, Peter Scheie wrote: > Ray Garza wrote: > > On Wednesday 31 January 2007 13:35, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Disabling_loca > >>l_d evice_access_fo > > > > Petre, > > > > I tried this with the K12LTSP version 6 and it did not work. I still get > > the floppy Icon on the desktop. Any other place that I can look to > > disable it? > > > > Ray > > Are you booting from floppy? > Yes, I'm booting from a floppy. I'm trying to finish setting up KDE in KIOSK mode for our card catalogs and this is one of the few puzzles left to over come. Ray From petehorm at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 16:11:23 2007 From: petehorm at hotmail.com (Pete Horm) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:11:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 3Com Nic's Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I have a test K12LTSP with Fedora 6. I have clients booting via etherboot on port 1067 using the rom-o-matic. Some Nic's like Kingston 110, Kingston 120, Intel, Netgear work fine. I have 3Com Nics that simply don't work. some are 3c905tx, some are 3c905btx. I have tried several rom-o-matic boot drivers but to no avail. I keep getting Error! dhcpd failed kernel panic. I am using the same machine that works with the other NIC's. Any suggestions? Thanks very much. pete From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Apr 2 17:42:27 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 13:42:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 3Com Nic's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46114083.2050700@cmosnetworks.com> I use 3Com NIC's on the standard UDP ports, and they work perfectly. Can you give it a try on the standard ports on a test network? Also, when you do LTSP DHCP, remember that you're actually making *two* DHCP requests, not one. The first is done by the EtherBoot image; that's where you do your TFTP boot and get your kernel/initrd image. The second is done by the GNU/Linux program "dhclient", and that's where you get all the /opt/ltsp/i386 stuff, initialize X11, etc. It sounds like the first DHCP request is indeed working on UDP 1067 (else you wouldn't even get a kernel), but the second request might be trying to go to the standard port (UDP 67). If that happens, and you get a DHCP address from the "other" DHCP server, then you don't get your "root-path" option. If you don't get that, then you can't do your pivot_root, and you get a kernel panic. That would be my first plan of attack for troubleshooting. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Pete Horm wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I have a test K12LTSP with Fedora 6. I have clients booting via > etherboot on port 1067 using the rom-o-matic. Some Nic's like > Kingston 110, Kingston 120, Intel, Netgear work fine. I have 3Com > Nics that simply don't work. some are 3c905tx, some are 3c905btx. I > have tried several rom-o-matic boot drivers but to no avail. I keep > getting Error! dhcpd failed kernel panic. I am using the same > machine that works with the other NIC's. Any suggestions? Thanks > very much. > > pete > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ericbrow at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 18:56:24 2007 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:56:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] moot question Message-ID: I came into school this morning and all the thin clients were looking for a DHCP server. The keyboard and monitor were frozen, so I do a soft reboot, and kept getting the message "Input/output error during write on /dev/sdb" before the reboot would end in a kernel panic. The lights on the hard drives are all showing good. I'm thinking its either a hard drive or scsi controller hardware failure (its a Dell Poweredge 6350). Anything else I could do or check? I'm using this as an excuse to try to get a new server, although I really need to get things up and going again soon since half my classes work off of the terminal server. Eric From peter at scheie.homedns.org Mon Apr 2 20:09:56 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:09:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Removing the "Floppy" desktop icon In-Reply-To: <200704021007.55190.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <45C0E5E6.4090807@arava.co.il> <200704020845.52783.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <46111672.9090101@scheie.homedns.org> <200704021007.55190.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <46116314.3040304@scheie.homedns.org> Ray Garza wrote: > On Monday 02 April 2007 09:42, Peter Scheie wrote: >> Ray Garza wrote: >>> On Wednesday 31 January 2007 13:35, Petre Scheie wrote: >>>> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Disabling_loca >>>> l_d evice_access_fo >>> Petre, >>> >>> I tried this with the K12LTSP version 6 and it did not work. I still get >>> the floppy Icon on the desktop. Any other place that I can look to >>> disable it? >>> >>> Ray >> Are you booting from floppy? >> > Yes, I'm booting from a floppy. I'm trying to finish setting up KDE in KIOSK > mode for our card catalogs and this is one of the few puzzles left to over > come. > > Ray Hmm, seems to work on my ver. 6 system. Try this: Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/scripts/ltsp-device.sh and comment out lines 88-91, like so: # /dev/*/lun0/disc) LTSP_DEVTYPE="floppy" # ;; # /dev/fd*) LTSP_DEVTYPE="floppy" # ;; This is after the fact, in that disabling the floppy in the 15-ltsp-block.rules file should fix it. But I notice that on some of my laptop clients that modifying ltsp-device.sh is also necessary to prevent the floppy icon from appearing because the BIOS reports that there is a floppy drive even if there isn't, since the floppy and CD-ROM can be hot-swapped. Petre From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Apr 2 21:47:09 2007 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:47:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap usage questions In-Reply-To: <20070402160020.E957973308@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070402160020.E957973308@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <461179DD.9090508@honeygroveisd.net> > Subject: > [K12OSN] smbldap usage questions > From: > Rob Owens > Date: > Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:31:52 -0400 > To: > k12osn at redhat.com > > To: > k12osn at redhat.com > > > I've downloaded David Trask's how to and have read up on LDAP in > general. I have a couple questions: > > 1) Is there a document somewhere that explains to dummies like me: > exactly what will I have once I've completed all the steps in the > how-to? > > 2) It seems that there are no modifications necessary to the Windows > clients, is this correct? I was under the impression that I'd need to > install pGina on all the Windows machines. > I've been using this setup for a couple of years now for my 700+ user environment. Everything on the Windows side pretty much works out of the box. Windows machines add to the domain natively and everything else "just works." > 3) Is this setup capable of informing my users that their password will > expire in x days? And are there GUI tools to let my users easily change > their passwords, or will they need to use the command line? > I still use the User Manager For Domains app. from an old NT box to handle user management on the back end and the usual password changing options on the Windows desktops work the same as they would using a Windows PDC. i.e. CTRL+ALT+DEL and select "Change Password." > Thanks everybody. > From rowens at ptd.net Mon Apr 2 21:59:17 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:59:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] moot question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070402215917.GA14926@clubber.owens.net> You might want to make sure that the / partition isn't full. -Rob On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 01:56:24PM -0500, Eric Brown wrote: > I came into school this morning and all the thin clients were looking > for a DHCP server. The keyboard and monitor were frozen, so I do a > soft reboot, and kept getting the message "Input/output error during > write on /dev/sdb" before the reboot would end in a kernel panic. > The lights on the hard drives are all showing good. > > I'm thinking its either a hard drive or scsi controller hardware > failure (its a Dell Poweredge 6350). Anything else I could do or > check? > > I'm using this as an excuse to try to get a new server, although I > really need to get things up and going again soon since half my > classes work off of the terminal server. > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From djaques at corbett.k12.or.us Mon Apr 2 22:02:46 2007 From: djaques at corbett.k12.or.us (Derek Jaques) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:02:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Nautilus Error Message-ID: <46117D86.5030108@corbett.k12.or.us> Hello All, I have a question about an error that a user had today. When they try to log into their account on your k12LTSP v5 server they get an error that says; Nautilus could not create the required folder /home/mackele10(username)/Desktop then it says something about creating that folder or allowing permission to create it. The user had been having no problems for the last 3 months or so. Any ideas? Thank you, Derek Jaques Corbett School District From rowens at ptd.net Mon Apr 2 22:05:25 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:05:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap usage questions In-Reply-To: <461179DD.9090508@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20070402160020.E957973308@hormel.redhat.com> <461179DD.9090508@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20070402220525.GB14926@clubber.owens.net> > >3) Is this setup capable of informing my users that their password will > >expire in x days? And are there GUI tools to let my users easily change > >their passwords, or will they need to use the command line? > > > I still use the User Manager For Domains app. from an old NT box to > handle user management on the back end and the usual password changing > options on the Windows desktops work the same as they would using a > Windows PDC. i.e. CTRL+ALT+DEL and select "Change Password." > >Thanks everybody. That's good to hear. I assume the Linux-based password tools work as well, am I correct? -Rob From ecoblue at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 22:41:51 2007 From: ecoblue at gmail.com (Sabino Sakells) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:41:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Laptop as a thin client Message-ID: <16602b9c0704021541u270555dk7d02173faf7662b8@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I am a Harbor City school student doing a project on LTS, and I was trying to get my HP dv2025nr laptop to work as a thin client. Unfortunately it got through a lot of the set up until it tried to mount /proc, when it said "BIOS32 says PCI NIC, but no PCI NIC????" This laptop is running Windows, and I was to understand that all I had to do was enable network boot, put that at the top of the boot order, and it would work. How would I fix this? I need all the help I can get. -- Sincerly, Sabino -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Mon Apr 2 22:52:53 2007 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:52:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Laptop as a thin client In-Reply-To: <16602b9c0704021541u270555dk7d02173faf7662b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <16602b9c0704021541u270555dk7d02173faf7662b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46118945.8060100@McQuil.com> Sabino, What kind of NIC do you have in the laptop? Is it a PCMCIA card? or is it built-in? What are you using to boot, Etherboot or PXE ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Sabino Sakells wrote: > Hello, I am a Harbor City school student doing a project on LTS, and I was > trying to get my HP dv2025nr laptop to work as a thin client. Unfortunately > it got through a lot of the set up until it tried to mount /proc, when it > said "BIOS32 says PCI NIC, but no PCI NIC????" This laptop is running > Windows, and I was to understand that all I had to do was enable network > boot, put that at the top of the boot order, and it would work. How would I > fix this? I need all the help I can get. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ecoblue at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 23:11:50 2007 From: ecoblue at gmail.com (Sabino Sakells) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:11:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Laptop as a thin client In-Reply-To: <46118945.8060100@McQuil.com> References: <16602b9c0704021541u270555dk7d02173faf7662b8@mail.gmail.com> <46118945.8060100@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <16602b9c0704021611p2a063a10ve101cc218b3e96db@mail.gmail.com> The laptop has a built-in NIC. All the info I could find on it is this : "Integrated 10/100BASE-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector)" I'm just using the laptop's built in network boot. As far as the server, I do not know. On 4/2/07, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > Sabino, > > What kind of NIC do you have in the laptop? > > Is it a PCMCIA card? or is it built-in? > > What are you using to boot, Etherboot or PXE ? > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Sabino Sakells wrote: > > Hello, I am a Harbor City school student doing a project on LTS, and I > was > > trying to get my HP dv2025nr laptop to work as a thin client. > Unfortunately > > it got through a lot of the set up until it tried to mount /proc, when > it > > said "BIOS32 says PCI NIC, but no PCI NIC????" This laptop is running > > Windows, and I was to understand that all I had to do was enable network > > boot, put that at the top of the boot order, and it would work. How > would I > > fix this? I need all the help I can get. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Sincerly, Sabino -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pnelson.k12 at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 23:49:26 2007 From: pnelson.k12 at gmail.com (Paul Nelson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:49:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HP t5xxx clinets and ltsp_i386-boot Message-ID: <508f42dc0704021649q2485983aq52a802513d8caab7@mail.gmail.com> Hello Folks, I have an HP t5000 that works pretty well as a thin-client but I have to keep using an older ltsp_i386_boot kernel to get it to work. The last, known working version (as far as I can tell is ltsp_i386-boot-2.6.16-2.k12ltsp.5.0.0.i386.rpm. This is the same problem described in this old post from last Sept: http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-September/msg00164.html Is there a better fix for this problem? Thanks, ;-) Paul From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Apr 3 00:11:48 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:11:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Nautilus Error In-Reply-To: <46117D86.5030108@corbett.k12.or.us> References: <46117D86.5030108@corbett.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <46119BC4.4020005@scheie.homedns.org> Who is the owner of /home/mackele10(username) and what are the permissions? Does this user have a ~/Desktop folder? Who is the owner and what are the permissions? Petre Derek Jaques wrote: > Hello All, > > I have a question about an error that a user had today. When they > try to log into their account on your k12LTSP v5 server they get an > error that says; > > Nautilus could not create the required folder > /home/mackele10(username)/Desktop > > then it says something about creating that folder or allowing permission > to create it. > > The user had been having no problems for the last 3 months or so. > > > Any ideas? > > > Thank you, > > Derek Jaques > Corbett School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 03:58:43 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:28:43 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] moot question In-Reply-To: <20070402215917.GA14926@clubber.owens.net> References: <20070402215917.GA14926@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <774593a20704022058q115f507arf4659c7c576046b1@mail.gmail.com> On 03/04/07, Rob Owens wrote: > You might want to make sure that the / partition isn't full. > > -Rob > > On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 01:56:24PM -0500, Eric Brown wrote: > > I came into school this morning and all the thin clients were looking > > for a DHCP server. The keyboard and monitor were frozen, so I do a > > soft reboot, and kept getting the message "Input/output error during > > write on /dev/sdb" before the reboot would end in a kernel panic. > > The lights on the hard drives are all showing good. Top and bottom posting is screwing up the flow but still.... Apart from / also look at /tmp. However in such cases you are able to log in to the server as root since a minimum amount of space is never allocated. Also clients should boot but not let any one log in. This could be drive failure / raid failure or dozen of other things. You need to carefully look at logs and see what happend prior to freeze. I've had freeze due to power supply over heating! (posted in past sometime). IAC curious to know your views now that hopefully this has not happend again after you restarted. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Apr 3 06:40:42 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:40:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Nautilus Error In-Reply-To: <46117D86.5030108@corbett.k12.or.us> References: <46117D86.5030108@corbett.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4611F6EA.9030302@cmosnetworks.com> It may well be a permissions issue. Make sure that /home/username actually has permissions set so that "username" is the owner. Just to be save, what I'd do is chown -Rv username /home/username. That ought to nail it. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Derek Jaques wrote: > Hello All, > > I have a question about an error that a user had today. When they > try to log into their account on your k12LTSP v5 server they get an > error that says; > > Nautilus could not create the required folder > /home/mackele10(username)/Desktop > > then it says something about creating that folder or allowing > permission to create it. > > The user had been having no problems for the last 3 months or so. > > > Any ideas? > > > Thank you, > > Derek Jaques > Corbett School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kbailey at mv.k12.nh.us Tue Apr 3 11:34:07 2007 From: kbailey at mv.k12.nh.us (Karen Bailey) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 07:34:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] pushing icons out to desktops Message-ID: We are using samba, kerberos and winbind with k12ltsp 6.0 to authenticate to a Windows 2003 active directory server. When setting this up one of the steps is to create a folder in the home directory with the name of the domain. The process works well for authentication but now I can't use the push icons out to desktops script because it only puts the icons in the home directory. I have tried to edit the scripts path pointing to the domain folder but I have been unsuccessful. Has anyone had a problem like this and if so how do you get around it? Karen M. Bailey Software Support Specialist Merrimack Valley School District kbailey at mv.k12.nh.us From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Tue Apr 3 13:33:56 2007 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:33:56 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs mount /home --again Message-ID: <20070403163356.nw3x4f11p66o88oo@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Hi everybody. I was struggling with firewall and SELinux, now I,m trying without them (both totally off). Now the problem is that when I try to logg to nfs-client server, I get an error "write-protected filesystem" and not able to write to /home/user etc. I added users via Webmin and I,m able to logg locally as user to nfs-server itself. This is what I have in fstab: 10.26.241.2:/home/ /home nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0 This what I have on nfs-server /etc/exports: /home 10.26.241.0/255.255.255.0 (rw) I have something wrong with the rights but I dont know where to look. (I will go and take a linux-course in two weeks...) yours mikkoj From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Apr 3 14:05:28 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:05:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] pushing icons out to desktops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46125F28.3000102@scheie.homedns.org> Does the user's home directory live on the k12ltsp server or on the Windows server? Petre Karen Bailey wrote: > We are using samba, kerberos and winbind with k12ltsp 6.0 to authenticate > to a Windows 2003 active directory server. When setting this up one of > the steps is to create a folder in the home directory with the name of the > domain. The process works well for authentication but now I can't use the > push icons out to desktops script because it only puts the icons in the > home directory. I have tried to edit the scripts path pointing to the > domain folder but I have been unsuccessful. Has anyone had a problem like > this and if so how do you get around it? > > Karen M. Bailey > Software Support Specialist > Merrimack Valley School District > kbailey at mv.k12.nh.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Apr 3 14:05:57 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:05:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs mount /home --again In-Reply-To: <20070403163356.nw3x4f11p66o88oo@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> References: <20070403163356.nw3x4f11p66o88oo@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: to compare: Here's my entry in fstab 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 and my exports entry (I export to 2 servers) /home 10.0.15.253/255.255.240.0(rw,sync,no_root_squash) /home 10.0.14.253/255.255.240.0(rw,sync,no_root_squash) "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Hi everybody. > >I was struggling with firewall and SELinux, now I,m trying without them >(both >totally off). > >Now the problem is that when I try to logg to nfs-client server, I get an >error >"write-protected filesystem" and not able to write to /home/user etc. > >I added users via Webmin and I,m able to logg locally as user to >nfs-server >itself. > >This is what I have in fstab: >10.26.241.2:/home/ /home nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0 > >This what I have on nfs-server /etc/exports: >/home 10.26.241.0/255.255.255.0 (rw) > >I have something wrong with the rights but I dont know where to look. >(I will go and take a linux-course in two weeks...) > >yours >mikkoj > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Apr 3 14:05:57 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:05:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs mount /home --again In-Reply-To: <20070403163356.nw3x4f11p66o88oo@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> References: <20070403163356.nw3x4f11p66o88oo@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: to compare: Here's my entry in fstab 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 and my exports entry (I export to 2 servers) /home 10.0.15.253/255.255.240.0(rw,sync,no_root_squash) /home 10.0.14.253/255.255.240.0(rw,sync,no_root_squash) "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Hi everybody. > >I was struggling with firewall and SELinux, now I,m trying without them >(both >totally off). > >Now the problem is that when I try to logg to nfs-client server, I get an >error >"write-protected filesystem" and not able to write to /home/user etc. > >I added users via Webmin and I,m able to logg locally as user to >nfs-server >itself. > >This is what I have in fstab: >10.26.241.2:/home/ /home nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0 > >This what I have on nfs-server /etc/exports: >/home 10.26.241.0/255.255.255.0 (rw) > >I have something wrong with the rights but I dont know where to look. >(I will go and take a linux-course in two weeks...) > >yours >mikkoj > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Apr 3 15:35:38 2007 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:35:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] kinit: clock skew too great Message-ID: <40807.172.28.8.55.1175614538.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello All, As of Yesterday (time change) over the weekend, or what would have normally been time change this time of year here, on our file server, which is fc3/ k12ltsp we have lost our home drive whne doing a domina login. when trying to rejoin this machine to our ADS domain(windows2003) i am getting "clock skew too great" message error. I have manually made sure both hardware time and systems are identical on the PDC and Fc3 file server. Ive googled but havent found anyone else running into this? i have had this happen a couple times before ,and as you would think the system times had gone beyond the 5 minute difference threshold. Restting the hardware clock always resolved and rejoined to domain no probs. Then the H: drive( home folders drive) appeared again. This time i keep getting: kinit: clock skew too great while initially retreiving credentials." Any ideas? Thanks, Barry Cisna From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Tue Apr 3 15:45:28 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:45:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SafeDesk and LTSP In-Reply-To: <4607EAE8.9010004@cmosnetworks.com> References: <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E11399576@ex01.crusaders.local> <4607EAE8.9010004@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <46123040.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> I have had dealt with them in two different school districts. They are nice, but i felt a little disappointed in the customer service end. It seemed to me that I was a low priority in both cases. I have switched them to K12LTSP in both districts, and have been running smoothly since. >>> "Terrell Prud? Jr." 03/26/07 10:46 AM >>> Hello Joshua, I haven't myself used companies like "SafeDesk" before. But do understand that K12LTSP already *is* a turnkey (or should I say "turndisc"? :- ) ) solution. That's actually the point of K12LTSP; Eric Harrison takes Fedora Core or CentOS, adds the LTSP bits, and throws in a bunch of educational apps. It's a complete, self- contained distribution. When you're done clicking through the installation, boom, you have a working educational LTSP setup. -- TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 -- the ultimate antivirus protection! Joshua Sommermeyer wrote: > > Greetings! > > I have been lurking for some time but have finally downloaded and burned > my set of K12LTSP disks... I am planning a 2 lab installation for next > year and am also talking to a company called "SafeDesk" they offer a > turnkey solution (at a cost) with support and such. Have any of you had > experience with SafeDesk or other 3rd party vendors that package LTSP > and sell their services to schools? > > Thanks! > > > _________________________________________ > Joshua D. Sommermeyer > Assistant Principal - Technology Director > Concordia Lutheran High School > (o) 281.351.2547 > (f) 281.255.8806 > www.concordiacrusaders.org > sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org > > +++The Mission of Concordia Lutheran High School is to Build Lives of > Excellence upon the Foundation of Christ. +++ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Apr 3 15:47:10 2007 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:47:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] kinit: clock skew too great Message-ID: <41345.172.28.8.55.1175615230.squirrel@172.28.8.55> hello, Forgot to mention I do have ntp running on all servers here. When i do ntpdate and ntpdate they show identical times. Barry From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Tue Apr 3 15:53:42 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:53:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] speed question Message-ID: <4612322F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there is a big difference between an 800 mhz and 200 mhz cpu for thin clients? I have devonIT 6020's and they seem to be smoking fast. I just got some eBox-2300 and they are pretty sweet, but they seem awfully slow compared to the devonIT. Is it the CPU difference? Thanks. Daniel From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Apr 3 15:58:39 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:58:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] kinit: clock skew too great In-Reply-To: <40807.172.28.8.55.1175614538.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <40807.172.28.8.55.1175614538.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <461279AF.1040101@cmosnetworks.com> Have you done your yum updates? Have you also checked out that you're using the new timezone info? I know, possibly stupid questions, but even on our network, I found a few stragglers last week. The following is pure conjecture. If both servers are reading the same time, but they're using different timezone info, that might be an issue, since UNIX time is always with respect to UTC (same as GMT). That is, the timezone info that you pointed to during your installation (e. g. EST5EDT) simply tweaks the *real* system date/time setting to display to you, the human. However, the system itself is running on UTC. I'm not sure if this is the problem, but that's what I'd check first. http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6300294422.html --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello All, > > As of Yesterday (time change) over the weekend, or what would have > normally been time change this time of year here, on our file server, > which is fc3/ k12ltsp we have lost our home drive whne doing a domina > login. when trying to rejoin this machine to our ADS domain(windows2003) > i am getting "clock skew too great" message error. > I have manually made sure both hardware time and systems are identical on > the PDC and Fc3 file server. > Ive googled but havent found anyone else running into this? > i have had this happen a couple times before ,and as you would think the > system times had gone beyond the 5 minute difference threshold. Restting > the hardware clock always resolved and rejoined to domain no probs. Then > the H: drive( home folders drive) appeared again. This time i keep > getting: > kinit: clock skew too great while initially retreiving credentials." > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Apr 3 16:09:09 2007 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:09:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap usage questions In-Reply-To: <20070403160024.A076973333@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070403160024.A076973333@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <46127C25.3020607@honeygroveisd.net> > >> I still use the User Manager For Domains app. from an old NT box to >> handle user management on the back end and the usual password changing >> options on the Windows desktops work the same as they would using a >> Windows PDC. i.e. CTRL+ALT+DEL and select "Change Password." >> >>> Thanks everybody. >>> > > That's good to hear. I assume the Linux-based password tools work as > well, am I correct? > > -Rob > > > As far as I know, yes. C-ya, Mark ____ "There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress." -- Mark Twain From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Apr 3 16:11:19 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:11:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] speed question In-Reply-To: <4612322F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <4612322F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <46127CA7.6010103@scheie.homedns.org> I think it's more likely the video subsystem each is using. Some people have reported using old P200 machines but with fast video cards, resulting in great performance. In the case of the 6020 vs. eBox-2300, I, too, have both, and yes, the 2300 is slower. I think it ends up using the vesa video driver, which works but isn't always the fastest. Petre Daniel Kuecker wrote: > I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there is a big difference > between an 800 mhz and 200 mhz cpu for thin clients? I have devonIT > 6020's and they seem to be smoking fast. I just got some eBox-2300 and > they are pretty sweet, but they seem awfully slow compared to the > devonIT. Is it the CPU difference? > > Thanks. > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nils at breun.nl Tue Apr 3 16:06:26 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:06:26 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] kinit: clock skew too great In-Reply-To: <461279AF.1040101@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40807.172.28.8.55.1175614538.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <461279AF.1040101@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <03D65F63-832C-45CA-95AD-BEDA1B66FCA2@breun.nl> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > Have you done your yum updates? Have you also checked out that > you're using the new timezone info? I know, possibly stupid > questions, but even on our network, I found a few stragglers last > week. > > The following is pure conjecture. If both servers are reading the > same time, but they're using different timezone info, that might be > an issue, since UNIX time is always with respect to UTC (same as > GMT). That is, the timezone info that you pointed to during your > installation (e. g. EST5EDT) simply tweaks the *real* system date/ > time setting to display to you, the human. However, the system > itself is running on UTC. I'm not sure if this is the problem, but > that's what I'd check first. It depends, during installation you get to choose whether you want to set your system clock to UTC or not. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's what I *have* seen make a difference, though. The first is the use of 100BaseTX on the client. Yes, you can do it with 10BaseT, but not if you want TuxType or ChildsPlay to actually play smoothly. :-) The second is the need for a good--and FOSS-friendly--video chipset. That means that any nVidious chipsets are *OUT*. Why? They're just too closed, even with their specs, just like ATWhy is in recent years. Either of these issues can make your thin client feel sluggish. Here's a case in point. I got my hands on a recent nVidious card, thought, "hey, plug it in and go!", and discovered that even 2-D performance was D-A-W-G S-L-O-W. The reason was that the universal, but slow, VESA driver got autodetected, since nVidia is definitely *not* FOSS-friendly. Oh, I'm sure that I could've made a manual entry in lts.conf to point to the 2D-only nv driver. But, since I use multiple types of old PC's with multiple video card types, I chose not to play that game and simply went with a video board that actually is F/OSS friendly (ATU Radeon 8500 and previous, Matrox Millenium G400's, and so on). --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Daniel Kuecker wrote: > I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there is a big difference > between an 800 mhz and 200 mhz cpu for thin clients? I have devonIT > 6020's and they seem to be smoking fast. I just got some eBox-2300 and > they are pretty sweet, but they seem awfully slow compared to the > devonIT. Is it the CPU difference? > > Thanks. > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maggardcomputing at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 16:20:13 2007 From: maggardcomputing at gmail.com (Shawn Maggard) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:20:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Laptop as a thin client In-Reply-To: <16602b9c0704021611p2a063a10ve101cc218b3e96db@mail.gmail.com> References: <16602b9c0704021541u270555dk7d02173faf7662b8@mail.gmail.com> <46118945.8060100@McQuil.com> <16602b9c0704021611p2a063a10ve101cc218b3e96db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27c92d660704030920n796d2610j3c3a14cfd46431ab@mail.gmail.com> My HP Pavilion zv6000 laptop PXE boots fine off my server.. just letting you know.. On 4/2/07, Sabino Sakells wrote: > > The laptop has a built-in NIC. All the info I could find on it is this : > "Integrated 10/100BASE-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector)" I'm just using the > laptop's built in network boot. As far as the server, I do not know. > > On 4/2/07, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > > Sabino, > > > > What kind of NIC do you have in the laptop? > > > > Is it a PCMCIA card? or is it built-in? > > > > What are you using to boot, Etherboot or PXE ? > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > Sabino Sakells wrote: > > > Hello, I am a Harbor City school student doing a project on LTS, and I > > was > > > trying to get my HP dv2025nr laptop to work as a thin client. > > Unfortunately > > > it got through a lot of the set up until it tried to mount /proc, when > > it > > > said "BIOS32 says PCI NIC, but no PCI NIC????" This laptop is running > > > Windows, and I was to understand that all I had to do was enable > > network > > > boot, put that at the top of the boot order, and it would work. How > > would I > > > fix this? I need all the help I can get. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Sincerly, > Sabino > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Shawn Maggard Maggard Computing http://maggardcomputing.com 931-629-6258 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Apr 3 16:23:25 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:23:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] kinit: clock skew too great In-Reply-To: <03D65F63-832C-45CA-95AD-BEDA1B66FCA2@breun.nl> References: <40807.172.28.8.55.1175614538.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <461279AF.1040101@cmosnetworks.com> <03D65F63-832C-45CA-95AD-BEDA1B66FCA2@breun.nl> Message-ID: <46127F7D.2000701@cmosnetworks.com> Nils Breunese wrote: > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > >> Have you done your yum updates? Have you also checked out that >> you're using the new timezone info? I know, possibly stupid >> questions, but even on our network, I found a few stragglers last week. >> >> The following is pure conjecture. If both servers are reading the >> same time, but they're using different timezone info, that might be >> an issue, since UNIX time is always with respect to UTC (same as >> GMT). That is, the timezone info that you pointed to during your >> installation (e. g. EST5EDT) simply tweaks the *real* system >> date/time setting to display to you, the human. However, the system >> itself is running on UTC. I'm not sure if this is the problem, but >> that's what I'd check first. > > It depends, during installation you get to choose whether you want to > set your system clock to UTC or not. > > Nils Breunese. > I think you're referring to the oft-called "CMOS clock" in the BIOS. My understanding of it is the following. The installation doesn't ask you to *set* that BIOS clock to UTC. Rather, it asks you if it's *already* set to UTC or not, so the system knows how to adjust its timezone info in software. That's a bit different. When GNU/Linux boots, it does get its initial time setting from the BIOS clock. But after it starts up, the system doesn't ask the BIOS what time it is anymore. You're now depending totally on the software to set your time. Someone, correct me if I'm wrong here. --TP From nils at breun.nl Tue Apr 3 16:30:26 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:30:26 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] kinit: clock skew too great In-Reply-To: <46127F7D.2000701@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40807.172.28.8.55.1175614538.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <461279AF.1040101@cmosnetworks.com> <03D65F63-832C-45CA-95AD-BEDA1B66FCA2@breun.nl> <46127F7D.2000701@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > Nils Breunese wrote: >> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> >>> Have you done your yum updates? Have you also checked out that >>> you're using the new timezone info? I know, possibly stupid >>> questions, but even on our network, I found a few stragglers last >>> week. >>> >>> The following is pure conjecture. If both servers are reading the >>> same time, but they're using different timezone info, that might be >>> an issue, since UNIX time is always with respect to UTC (same as >>> GMT). That is, the timezone info that you pointed to during your >>> installation (e. g. EST5EDT) simply tweaks the *real* system >>> date/time setting to display to you, the human. However, the system >>> itself is running on UTC. I'm not sure if this is the problem, but >>> that's what I'd check first. >> >> It depends, during installation you get to choose whether you want to >> set your system clock to UTC or not. > > I think you're referring to the oft-called "CMOS clock" in the BIOS. > > My understanding of it is the following. The installation doesn't ask > you to *set* that BIOS clock to UTC. Rather, it asks you if it's > *already* set to UTC or not, so the system knows how to adjust its > timezone info in software. That's a bit different. When GNU/Linux > boots, it does get its initial time setting from the BIOS clock. But > after it starts up, the system doesn't ask the BIOS what time it is > anymore. You're now depending totally on the software to set your > time. > > Someone, correct me if I'm wrong here. I believe you're right. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 3 16:37:24 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:37:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] kinit: clock skew too great In-Reply-To: <40807.172.28.8.55.1175614538.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <40807.172.28.8.55.1175614538.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <461282C4.1000904@mesd.k12.or.us> cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > i am getting "clock skew too great" message error. Any chance these are AMD servers? http://h18023.www1.hp.com/support/files/server/us/download/23170.html -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Apr 3 16:45:22 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:45:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Laptop as a thin client In-Reply-To: <27c92d660704030920n796d2610j3c3a14cfd46431ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <16602b9c0704021541u270555dk7d02173faf7662b8@mail.gmail.com> <46118945.8060100@McQuil.com> <16602b9c0704021611p2a063a10ve101cc218b3e96db@mail.gmail.com> <27c92d660704030920n796d2610j3c3a14cfd46431ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461284A2.3020409@cmosnetworks.com> Someone else I know uses HP laptops that PXE-boot (Pentium III-1.1GHz, 512MB DRAM, IIRC). She tells me that they work smashingly well. So, why are such beefy boxes being PXE-booted to LTSP mode?? She does this because the laptops were a donation, and not a singl one of them came with a hard disk. Laptop HD's are still kinda pricey. BTW, *there* is a great case for running the apps locally! --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Shawn Maggard wrote: > My HP Pavilion zv6000 laptop PXE boots fine off my server.. just > letting you know.. > > On 4/2/07, *Sabino Sakells* > wrote: > > The laptop has a built-in NIC. All the info I could find on it is > this : "Integrated 10/100BASE-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector)" > I'm just using the laptop's built in network boot. As far as the > server, I do not know. > > > On 4/2/07, *Jim McQuillan* < jam at mcquil.com > > wrote: > > Sabino, > > What kind of NIC do you have in the laptop? > > Is it a PCMCIA card? or is it built-in? > > What are you using to boot, Etherboot or PXE ? > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Sabino Sakells wrote: > > Hello, I am a Harbor City school student doing a project on > LTS, and I was > > trying to get my HP dv2025nr laptop to work as a thin client. > Unfortunately > > it got through a lot of the set up until it tried to mount > /proc, when it > > said "BIOS32 says PCI NIC, but no PCI NIC????" This laptop is > running > > Windows, and I was to understand that all I had to do was > enable network > > boot, put that at the top of the boot order, and it would > work. How would I > > fix this? I need all the help I can get. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Sincerly, > Sabino > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Shawn Maggard > Maggard Computing > http://maggardcomputing.com > 931-629-6258 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From micha at arava.co.il Tue Apr 3 22:01:37 2007 From: micha at arava.co.il (Micha Silver) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:01:37 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs mount /home --again In-Reply-To: <20070403163356.nw3x4f11p66o88oo@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> References: <20070403163356.nw3x4f11p66o88oo@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: <4612CEC1.2070202@arava.co.il> Mikko Jordman wrote: > Hi everybody. > > I was struggling with firewall and SELinux, now I,m trying without them (both > totally off). > > Now the problem is that when I try to logg to nfs-client server, I get an error > "write-protected filesystem" and not able to write to /home/user etc. > > > > This what I have on nfs-server /etc/exports: > /home 10.26.241.0/255.255.255.0 (rw) > > Try to remove the space between 255.255.255.0 and (rw) The export options must follow the IP address immediately- no spaces after the IP number/mask. (like in David Trask's example) Cheers, Micha From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 02:18:40 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:48:40 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] server In-Reply-To: <002301c77637$52b7bb00$0c15a8c0@wks12> References: <002301c77637$52b7bb00$0c15a8c0@wks12> Message-ID: <774593a20704031918o699af498t46ecb4e76448bdab@mail.gmail.com> On 04/04/07, Good Hope School wrote: > Boot Problerms with floppy boot > I'm using universal bootrom image on floppy and keep getting "x server > failed" message when booting. It appears to be working and pulling down info > from K12LTSP server but then this comes up. So this is shows everything is working fine as far as LTSP is concerned. Now we just have to setup X parameters properly. Please share what your lts.conf file settings are in the global section or specific terminal section. What is RAM in client and what resolution you are trying to set. Also it would be helpful to know how much vedio ram has been set in BIOS of the terminal. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From einfeldt at digitaltippingpoint.com Wed Apr 4 06:04:53 2007 From: einfeldt at digitaltippingpoint.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 23:04:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] small world! help needed for an LTSP lab in San Francisco Message-ID: <4b5781040704032304h778cd020g8b45dd1d5b1a1e58@mail.gmail.com> Wow, it really is a small world after all, isn't it. In 2004, I came up to Oregon to film Paul Nelson and the Riverdale High School for the Digital Tipping Point film. As part of that process, I learned about the power of LTSP labs. I came back to San Francisco and helped build an LTSP lab in a public middle school. Now, here I am back at Paul Nelson's door step asking for some tech support, except that I didn't even plan it that way; a friend of mine who is helping me with this work found this email list and suggested that I contact you for help. As I was signing up, I noticed Paul Nelson's email address as the owner of the list and chuckled. So, on to my problem. We have an LTSP lab with 33 thin clients. We are looking for paid support. We have some money to spend as a result of the California anti-trust suit against Microsoft. We would like to spend it on LTSP support for the lab. I am looking for tips. If there are any providers on this list, especially providers in San Francisco, I would love to hear from you. Coincidentally, Paul and Riverdale High School will be pretty prominent in our film. Our film is about the cultural implications of the global growth of Free Open Source Software (FOSS). This is not a film about computers. It's a film about culture. About how people talk to each other. We have filmed many dignitaries such as Christian Ude (the Mayor of Munich), Hermann-Josef Pelgrim (the Mayor of Schwaebisch Hall), Gilberto Gil (the Culture Minister of Brazil), and Luiz Millan Vazquez de Miguel, (the Extremaduran Minister of Science, Education). The theme of our film is that Free Open Source Software (FOSS) will help foster an explosion of literacy and creativity globally. Our film is the first feature length documentary to be built on-line out of fully forkable footage released under a Creative Commons Attribute-ShareAlike license on the Internet Archive. You can see our raw video here: http://www.archive.org/details.php?identifier=digitaltippingpoint Our keyword search index page is located below. It is the place to go to find specific persons or themes for our footage. http:// tinyurl .com/yluwoc Thanks a lot in advance for any help you can offer for our LTSP problem! -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Apr 4 12:25:39 2007 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:25:39 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] udev In-Reply-To: <461285D3.3090404@cmosnetworks.com> References: <16602b9c0704021541u270555dk7d02173faf7662b8@mail.gmail.com> <461285D3.3090404@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200704041325.39915.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> I am in the process of upgrading our ltsp servers from version 4.2 to version 6.0.0. Before the upgrades, fout of the servers where running FC3 and four running FC4, with all eight running ltsp 4.2. Of course, after the upgrade they all run FC6 and ltsp 6.0.0. On what were the FC3 servers, thin client access of usb memory sticks works fine. On what was the FC4 servers, it doesn't. When we insert a memory stick into the thin client, we see the usb icon on the desktop, but when we click it, there are no files displayed. If I have a thin client served by what was an FC3 server, we see the following messages in /var/log/messages (on the server): Apr 4 12:50:04 ws076.ltsp root: udev detected add of disk Apr 4 12:50:35 ws076.ltsp root: udev detected remove of disk These messages are absent on those servers where usb memory stick access isn't working. Obviously we have something different between the servers but I can't figure out what it is. Has anyone any ideas of how to resolve this issue? Thanks in advance. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From nils at breun.nl Wed Apr 4 12:28:12 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:28:12 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] udev In-Reply-To: <200704041325.39915.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <16602b9c0704021541u270555dk7d02173faf7662b8@mail.gmail.com> <461285D3.3090404@cmosnetworks.com> <200704041325.39915.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: Martin Woolley wrote: > I am in the process of upgrading our ltsp servers from version 4.2 > to version > 6.0.0. Before the upgrades, fout of the servers where running FC3 > and four > running FC4, with all eight running ltsp 4.2. Of course, after the > upgrade > they all run FC6 and ltsp 6.0.0. Eh, not exactly. K12LTSP 6.0.0 still includes LTSP 4.2 AFAIK. 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I really must say that I found these 2 sentences absolutely beautiful - poetic even :-) I don't have an answer, but good luck to you with your LTSP and your movie. -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Wed Apr 4 13:37:05 2007 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:37:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] So Off-Topic you will not beleive it... (3D/VR World Type System) Message-ID: <001201c776be$5577b200$1400000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List, I no this is SO Off-Topic' but I thought this might be a good place to ask this question... I have been asked what I think about creating a 3D World for use as a virtual Learning Centre..(e.g. a virtual 3D School) so people could come to classes in the same way that people join 'Second Life' and have meetings (like Sun Microsystems do).. But I need this to be an Internal (Server Based) world that I could run on one of my internal Linux servers that I can then set access control on so that only official users could get access to the server/world.. I was part of the Adobe Atmosphere project many years ago, when that was shelved by Adobe and later dropped totally I kinda left that side of things and have not looked back @ 3d World type projects in quite a long time.. So the questions is.... Can anyone suggest a good 3D World system that I could get my teeth into again and make a 3D version of my school... Thank You for your input, Due to this question being So Off-Topic I don't mind if the replies are 'Off-List' Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator Leigh City Technology College gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620501 Fax: 01322 620599 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Systems @ the LeighCTC, and is believed to be clean. From hartt at glenburn.net Wed Apr 4 14:01:50 2007 From: hartt at glenburn.net (Tim Hart) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:01:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] So Off-Topic you will not beleive it... =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=283D/VR_?= World Type=?ISO-8859-1?Q? System=29?= In-Reply-To: <001201c776be$5577b200$1400000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <001201c776be$5577b200$1400000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: You could do that with second life. Just have an island that only you and the people you want able to join the location. Tim From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Apr 4 14:29:26 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:29:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] small world! help needed for an LTSP lab in San Francisco In-Reply-To: <4b5781040704032304h778cd020g8b45dd1d5b1a1e58@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b5781040704032304h778cd020g8b45dd1d5b1a1e58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4613B646.8030806@scheie.homedns.org> Christian- Technology Rescue (www.technologyrescue.com) provides support-for-fee for K12LTSP installations. Steve Hargadon, a regular on this list, is the owner. They're located in Granite Bay. See ya on the Open Document Fellowship list. ;-) Petre Christian Einfeldt wrote: > Wow, it really is a small world after all, isn't it. > > In 2004, I came up to Oregon to film Paul Nelson and the Riverdale High > School for the Digital Tipping Point film. As part of that process, I > learned about the power of LTSP labs. I came back to San Francisco and > helped build an LTSP lab in a public middle school. Now, here I am back > at Paul Nelson's door step asking for some tech support, except that I > didn't even plan it that way; a friend of mine who is helping me with > this work found this email list and suggested that I contact you for > help. As I was signing up, I noticed Paul Nelson's email address as the > owner of the list and chuckled. > > So, on to my problem. We have an LTSP lab with 33 thin clients. We are > looking for paid support. We have some money to spend as a result of > the California anti-trust suit against Microsoft. We would like to > spend it on LTSP support for the lab. I am looking for tips. If there > are any providers on this list, especially providers in San Francisco, I > would love to hear from you. > > Coincidentally, Paul and Riverdale High School will be pretty prominent > in our film. Our film is about the cultural implications of the global > growth of Free Open Source Software (FOSS). This is not a film about > computers. It's a film about culture. About how people talk to each > other. > > We have filmed many dignitaries such as Christian Ude (the Mayor of > Munich), Hermann-Josef Pelgrim (the Mayor of Schwaebisch Hall), Gilberto > Gil (the Culture Minister of Brazil), and Luiz Millan Vazquez de Miguel, > (the Extremaduran Minister of Science, Education). The theme of our > film is that Free Open Source Software (FOSS) will help foster an > explosion of literacy and creativity globally. Our film is the first > feature length documentary to be built on-line out of fully forkable > footage released under a Creative Commons Attribute-ShareAlike license > on the Internet Archive. > > You can see our raw video here: > > http://www.archive.org/details.php?identifier=digitaltippingpoint > > Our keyword search index page is located below. It is the place to go > to find specific persons or themes for our footage. > > http:// tinyurl .com/yluwoc > > Thanks a lot in advance for any help you can offer for our LTSP problem! > > -- > Christian Einfeldt, > Producer, The Digital Tipping Point > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Apr 4 14:34:40 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:34:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] udev In-Reply-To: References: <16602b9c0704021541u270555dk7d02173faf7662b8@mail.gmail.com> <461285D3.3090404@cmosnetworks.com> <200704041325.39915.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <4613B780.4090001@scheie.homedns.org> Nils Breunese wrote: > Martin Woolley wrote: > >> I am in the process of upgrading our ltsp servers from version 4.2 to >> version >> 6.0.0. Before the upgrades, fout of the servers where running FC3 and >> four >> running FC4, with all eight running ltsp 4.2. Of course, after the >> upgrade >> they all run FC6 and ltsp 6.0.0. > > Eh, not exactly. K12LTSP 6.0.0 still includes LTSP 4.2 AFAIK. > > Nils Breunese. > Try the LDA troubleshooting checklist at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting Document all the steps as you go through them. If, after going through the checklist, it's still not working, jump onto #ltsp on IRC and ask for help. The LTSP devs usually hangout there, but to help you they'll need all the output from the checklist steps. Petre From swift at msad52.org Wed Apr 4 15:55:58 2007 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:55:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba/ldap and edubuntu Message-ID: I have inherited some ibooks which I installed edubuntu (6.10) on and I would like them to authenticate to my samba/ldap domain controller. I have google searched but everything is for authenticating to active directory. I have the ibooks joined to the domain but they will not authenticate. Ideas? Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From xmechanic at gilanet.com Wed Apr 4 16:28:51 2007 From: xmechanic at gilanet.com (xmechanic) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:28:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Strange glitch in X on LTSP server Message-ID: <1175704131.23854.11.camel@server.ltsp> I have a demo system setup at the local school here with 2 terminals and a test server with an AMD 1800+ and 512mb of RAM. System is set up with K12LTSP ver. 5.0. Everything is working ok for the most part, but when a client logs off and the terminal goes back to the login screen, the screen on the server goes blank and then comes up with a message that there is already an X-server running on TTY1. I can do ctrl+alt+F7 and get back to my existing desktop, but it would be nice to find a fix for this. Any ideas? Thanks! Dave Land Land Computer Service From alexthepuffin at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 16:35:50 2007 From: alexthepuffin at gmail.com (Alex deVries) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:35:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to access Gnome-mounted servers? Message-ID: Dan Young wrote: > Peter Scheie wrote: >> We put users' public ssh keys onto cat so no password was needed. Then >> we just put an icon on the desktop that calls the script. I imagine the >> wdfs would work similarly. > > How would you handle authentication? Looks like you'd have to pass in a > password either interactively or as an arg to wdfs. > FYI: in afpfs-ng-0.4.1, you don't have to give the password as a parameter (as this is insecure). If you use: afp_client mount -u myusername -p - server:volume /mountpoint It will prompt you for your password. I'm concentrating on getting a gnome-vfs2 implementation for afpfs-ng so that it will all be seamlessly integrated into nautilus. - Alex From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Apr 4 17:08:05 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:08:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Strange glitch in X on LTSP server In-Reply-To: <1175704131.23854.11.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1175704131.23854.11.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4613DB75.6090704@scheie.homedns.org> I've seen this before after making changes to gdm and then running gdm-restart or similar. Rebooting the server at a convenient time (when there are no users) always seems to fix it. Petre xmechanic wrote: > I have a demo system setup at the local school here with 2 terminals and > a test server with an AMD 1800+ and 512mb of RAM. System is set up with > K12LTSP ver. 5.0. Everything is working ok for the most part, but when a > client logs off and the terminal goes back to the login screen, the > screen on the server goes blank and then comes up with a message that > there is already an X-server running on TTY1. I can do ctrl+alt+F7 and > get back to my existing desktop, but it would be nice to find a fix for > this. Any ideas? Thanks! > > Dave Land > Land Computer Service > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Apr 4 17:14:48 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:14:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to access Gnome-mounted servers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4613DD08.4080103@scheie.homedns.org> Alex deVries wrote: > Dan Young wrote: >> Peter Scheie wrote: >>> We put users' public ssh keys onto cat so no password was needed. Then >>> we just put an icon on the desktop that calls the script. I imagine the >>> wdfs would work similarly. >> >> How would you handle authentication? Looks like you'd have to pass in a >> password either interactively or as an arg to wdfs. >> > > FYI: in afpfs-ng-0.4.1, you don't have to give the password as a > parameter (as this is insecure). If you use: > > afp_client mount -u myusername -p - server:volume /mountpoint > > It will prompt you for your password. > > I'm concentrating on getting a gnome-vfs2 implementation for afpfs-ng > so that it will all be seamlessly integrated into nautilus. > > - Alex Is passing it as a parameter really less secure than having afp_client prompt for the password? Where is the vulnerability? In our case we have a script that the users call that pops up a GUI prompt for the PW and then the script passes the PW as a parameter. From a security standpoint, is this really any different than letting afp_client prompt for the PW? Petre From alexthepuffin at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 17:35:22 2007 From: alexthepuffin at gmail.com (Alex deVries) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:35:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to access Gnome-mounted servers? In-Reply-To: <4613DD08.4080103@scheie.homedns.org> References: <4613DD08.4080103@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: On 4/4/07, Peter Scheie wrote: > Is passing it as a parameter really less secure than having afp_client > prompt for the password? Where is the vulnerability? In our case we > have a script that the users call that pops up a GUI prompt for the PW > and then the script passes the PW as a parameter. From a security > standpoint, is this really any different than letting afp_client prompt > for the PW? Yes, putting it on the command line is less secure, it makes it pretty easy to grab. Someone could just get it from the process table, which isn't protected from other users. There are other vulnerabilities in that afpfsd retains the raw password, but that password is only available to that specific user. I'll fix this in a later release, it's not that hard. - Alex From swift at msad52.org Wed Apr 4 18:36:15 2007 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:36:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba/ldap and edubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >I have inherited some ibooks which I installed edubuntu (6.10) on and I >would like them to authenticate to my samba/ldap domain controller. I have >google searched but everything is for authenticating to active directory. >I have the ibooks joined to the domain but they will not authenticate. >Ideas? > >Randy Swift >Network Administrator >Leavitt Area High School >Turner, Maine 04282 >(207)225-3533 >swift at msad52.k12.me.us > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see I figured it out. So now I have a bunch of old ibooks running edubuntu, authenticating to a samba/ldap PDC and mounting their home directory. Life is good!! Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From swift at msad52.org Wed Apr 4 18:36:15 2007 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:36:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba/ldap and edubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >I have inherited some ibooks which I installed edubuntu (6.10) on and I >would like them to authenticate to my samba/ldap domain controller. I have >google searched but everything is for authenticating to active directory. >I have the ibooks joined to the domain but they will not authenticate. >Ideas? > >Randy Swift >Network Administrator >Leavitt Area High School >Turner, Maine 04282 >(207)225-3533 >swift at msad52.k12.me.us > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see I figured it out. So now I have a bunch of old ibooks running edubuntu, authenticating to a samba/ldap PDC and mounting their home directory. Life is good!! Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Wed Apr 4 17:52:46 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:52:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] speed question In-Reply-To: <46127D65.1040600@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4612322F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <46127D65.1040600@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: So as far as video goes, what about onboard Intel? We have a lot of Compaq, Dells, etc, that have Intel chipsets, Intel Video, Intel NIC, all onboard. They seemed to run fine, but say for instance I tried to run one of the science apps, astronomy one I think, it did nothing. Where I could use the same app on my Server which had a different video card. The ones I'm mainly going to be using are iPaq, 500Mhz Celerons, with 256MB, and all onboard Intel stuff(there's no room for pci, or any expansion slots). I want the Lab to be able to do some multimedia stuff, is that going to be an issue, or will I just need to beef up the server? Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of "Terrell Prud? Jr." Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:14 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] speed question If you're running apps locally on the thin client, then yes. Otherwise, I haven't seen one whit of difference. The CPU's on my thin clients range from Pentium-133 to Pentium II-300. Not a single one of them "feels slow." I do MPlayer video and all that good stuff on the thin client, at 640x480, with no framedrops. Remember that, in pure LTSP mode, your CPU is pretty much only running Linux, dhclient, bash, and X11, and you can do that with a 486-33. Here's what I *have* seen make a difference, though. The first is the use of 100BaseTX on the client. Yes, you can do it with 10BaseT, but not if you want TuxType or ChildsPlay to actually play smoothly. :-) The second is the need for a good--and FOSS-friendly--video chipset. That means that any nVidious chipsets are *OUT*. Why? They're just too closed, even with their specs, just like ATWhy is in recent years. Either of these issues can make your thin client feel sluggish. Here's a case in point. I got my hands on a recent nVidious card, thought, "hey, plug it in and go!", and discovered that even 2-D performance was D-A-W-G S-L-O-W. The reason was that the universal, but slow, VESA driver got autodetected, since nVidia is definitely *not* FOSS-friendly. Oh, I'm sure that I could've made a manual entry in lts.conf to point to the 2D-only nv driver. But, since I use multiple types of old PC's with multiple video card types, I chose not to play that game and simply went with a video board that actually is F/OSS friendly (ATU Radeon 8500 and previous, Matrox Millenium G400's, and so on). --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Daniel Kuecker wrote: I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there is a big difference between an 800 mhz and 200 mhz cpu for thin clients? I have devonIT 6020's and they seem to be smoking fast. I just got some eBox-2300 and they are pretty sweet, but they seem awfully slow compared to the devonIT. Is it the CPU difference? Thanks. Daniel _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Barry Cisna From pxeboot at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 22:31:27 2007 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:31:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] kinit: clock skew too great In-Reply-To: <45507.172.28.8.55.1175711603.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <45507.172.28.8.55.1175711603.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: This error means that the time on the kerberos client is out of synch with kerberos server. The kerberos server in this case is your AD controller. I believe, by default, the kerberos server will refuse to issue tickets if the clocks are out of synch by more than 5 minutes. To avoid this problem, you should use the AD controller as the primary ntp source for all AD members. This way your clients are always in synch with the AD controller. To automate this, I setup cron jobs on all Linux AD member servers to execute the following: # /sbin/service ntpd stop; /usr/sbin/ntpdate ; /sbin/service ntpd start The command above stops the ntpd daemon, updates the system time with AD controller then restarts ntpd daemon. On 4/4/07, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > > Hello All, > > Still wrangling with the clock skew too great problem. I have double > checked again,all the servers hardware and system times,& all are within > 2 mins of one another. and have found that if i try to rejoin, all the > K12ltsp servers to our domain, I am getting this error message. Another > thing i have noticed is( I use the "Bind to domain" facility), built in > Webmin. after the try to join AD domain, It returns: ' > get_service_ticket: kerberos_kinit_password WCFILE$@DOMAIN at DOMAIN failed: > Clock skew too great ' . Notice the TWO @DOMAIN entries. i dont remember > seeing this, when joining to domain before? > Anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes PXE Guru -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jand689 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 23:08:42 2007 From: jand689 at yahoo.com (Jim Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] can't get sound on Dell GX1's using K12LTSP v 5 Message-ID: <269310.2411.qm@web90515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've been trying to get sound without success. I have a room full of Dell GX1 computers. According to Dell's specs, and as confirmed with a Knoppix live CD, the sound chip is a CS4236. I have changed my lts.conf to reflect this. here's the relevant section: # enable sound by default SOUND = Y # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on x86_64) SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" # default sound volume VOLUME = 75 ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: SMODULE_01 = "snd-cs4236" # io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" I don't know the io and irq for the card, which is supposedly PnP. The error the clients get at boot is: /dev/dsp: no such file or directory There is no /dev/dsp directory. I have various sound apps installed but obviously they are not working. Help! Jim Anderson, The Cornerstone Residence, Safe Harbors of the Hudson ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Thu Apr 5 00:47:22 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:47:22 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] kinit: clock skew too great In-Reply-To: References: <45507.172.28.8.55.1175711603.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: Conrad Lawes wrote: > This error means that the time on the kerberos client is out of > synch with kerberos server. The kerberos server in this case is > your AD controller. I believe, by default, the kerberos server > will refuse to issue tickets if the clocks are out of synch by > more than 5 minutes. > > To avoid this problem, you should use the AD controller as the > primary ntp source for all AD members. This way your clients are > always in synch with the AD controller. To automate this, I > setup cron jobs on all Linux AD member servers to execute the > following: > > # /sbin/service ntpd stop; /usr/sbin/ntpdate server>; /sbin/service ntpd start > > The command above stops the ntpd daemon, updates the system time > with AD controller then restarts ntpd daemon. I'd say, use your AD server as a time source for ntpd OR don't use ntpd and run ntpdate in a cron job. Running both doesn't make sense to me. Or am I missing something? Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 05:12:08 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:12:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Google Apps free for Schools Message-ID: Some school districts might find this interesting. http://www.google.com/a/edu/ http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/admins/editions_spe.html -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Apr 5 08:50:27 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpIEpyLiI=?=) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:50:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] speed question In-Reply-To: References: <4612322F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <46127D65.1040600@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4614B853.1000705@cmosnetworks.com> I haven't myself used the onboard Intel chipsets on LTSP terminals--my thin clients are a bit old for that--but there's no reason why it shouldn't work just fine. X11 does support the integrated Intel video, including in 3-D mode. However, note that the early onboard Intel graphics did rather suck for performance. That includes the i740 and, to a lesser extent, the i810. What that means is that, if you're using something like, say, MPlayer to watch video on a LTSP terminal, the clips need to be low-res. For the higher-res (i. e. 640x480) video, even an ATI 3D Rage Pro isn't fast enough; I needed to pop in that Matrox Millenium G400. This is on an AMD K6-300 with an AGP slot. That Millenium G400 made *all* the difference. Same with an ATI Radeon 7500 that I've got lying around; that did the trick, too. Your server's video card performance is totally orthogonal; it has nothing to do with what happens on the thin client. Nothing, nada, el-zippo. However, your server's CPU oomph can become an issue, depending on how many simultaneous streams you have going. My server at home, a dual Athlon 1.2GHz, can comfortably handle eight sessions, nine if I push it a little, before I peg both CPU's. But the server's CPU performance is a codec issue, not a video display issue. If you have an 8-core Opteron 2.8GHz monster box that can stream boatloads of simultaneous sessions without breathing hard, but your thin clients have sucky video chips, it's gonna be slow. Bottom line: if you're going to stream video, what your clients need isn't a killer CPU; a Pentium-166 is enough. What they need is a good video chipset. Now, that said, if, in your testing, you find that those clients of yours just don't cut the mustard for video streaming, they're still great for just about every other task, including TuxType and maybe even ChildsPlay. So they don't necessarily need to become expensive doorstops. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Kemp, Levi wrote: > > So as far as video goes, what about onboard Intel? We have a lot of > Compaq, Dells, etc, that have Intel chipsets, Intel Video, Intel NIC, > all onboard. They seemed to run fine, but say for instance I tried to > run one of the science apps, astronomy one I think, it did nothing. > Where I could use the same app on my Server which had a different > video card. The ones I?m mainly going to be using are iPaq, 500Mhz > Celerons, with 256MB, and all onboard Intel stuff(there?s no room for > pci, or any expansion slots). I want the Lab to be able to do some > multimedia stuff, is that going to be an issue, or will I just need to > beef up the server? > > > > Levi Kemp > > Technology Specialist > > Bolivar R-I School District > > 417-328-8943 > > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > *On Behalf Of *"Terrell Prud? Jr." > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:14 AM > *To:* Support list for open source software in schools. > *Subject:* Re: [K12OSN] speed question > > > > If you're running apps locally on the thin client, then yes. > Otherwise, I haven't seen one whit of difference. The CPU's on my > thin clients range from Pentium-133 to Pentium II-300. Not a single > one of them "feels slow." I do MPlayer video and all that good stuff > on the thin client, at 640x480, with no framedrops. Remember that, in > pure LTSP mode, your CPU is pretty much only running Linux, dhclient, > bash, and X11, and you can do that with a 486-33. > > Here's what I *have* seen make a difference, though. The first is the > use of 100BaseTX on the client. Yes, you can do it with 10BaseT, but > not if you want TuxType or ChildsPlay to actually play smoothly. :-) > The second is the need for a good--and FOSS-friendly--video chipset. > That means that any nVidious chipsets are *OUT*. Why? They're just > too closed, even with their specs, just like ATWhy is in recent > years. Either of these issues can make your thin client feel sluggish. > > Here's a case in point. I got my hands on a recent nVidious card, > thought, "hey, plug it in and go!", and discovered that even 2-D > performance was D-A-W-G S-L-O-W. The reason was that the universal, > but slow, VESA driver got autodetected, since nVidia is definitely > *not* FOSS-friendly. Oh, I'm sure that I could've made a manual entry > in lts.conf to point to the 2D-only nv driver. But, since I use > multiple types of old PC's with multiple video card types, I chose not > to play that game and simply went with a video board that actually is > F/OSS friendly (ATU Radeon 8500 and previous, Matrox Millenium G400's, > and so on). > > --TP > > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate > antivirus protection! > > > > Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there is a big difference > between an 800 mhz and 200 mhz cpu for thin clients? I have devonIT > 6020's and they seem to be smoking fast. I just got some eBox-2300 and > they are pretty sweet, but they seem awfully slow compared to the > devonIT. Is it the CPU difference? > > Thanks. > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karisue at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 11:47:08 2007 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:47:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Google Apps free for Schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am using this at my school, and it is fabulous. The teachers especially like the messaging. Now they can msg the secretary or principal instead of walking down there. Highly recommended! kari On 4/5/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Some school districts might find this interesting. > > http://www.google.com/a/edu/ > http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/admins/editions_spe.html > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pxeboot at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 12:12:00 2007 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:12:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] kinit: clock skew too great In-Reply-To: References: <45507.172.28.8.55.1175711603.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: Yes, you're correct. In the example, I provided running the ntpd daemon is not necessary. In my case, our Linux AD member server is also a secondary time source for other Linux systems; hence the ntpd daemon. On 4/4/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > > Conrad Lawes wrote: > > > This error means that the time on the kerberos client is out of > > synch with kerberos server. The kerberos server in this case is > > your AD controller. I believe, by default, the kerberos server > > will refuse to issue tickets if the clocks are out of synch by > > more than 5 minutes. > > > > To avoid this problem, you should use the AD controller as the > > primary ntp source for all AD members. This way your clients are > > always in synch with the AD controller. To automate this, I > > setup cron jobs on all Linux AD member servers to execute the > > following: > > > > # /sbin/service ntpd stop; /usr/sbin/ntpdate > server>; /sbin/service ntpd start > > > > The command above stops the ntpd daemon, updates the system time > > with AD controller then restarts ntpd daemon. > > I'd say, use your AD server as a time source for ntpd OR don't use > ntpd and run ntpdate in a cron job. Running both doesn't make sense > to me. Or am I missing something? > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes PXE Guru -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Apr 5 13:29:34 2007 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:29:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] udev In-Reply-To: <4613B780.4090001@scheie.homedns.org> References: <16602b9c0704021541u270555dk7d02173faf7662b8@mail.gmail.com> <4613B780.4090001@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <200704051429.34785.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> I eventually solved the problem by reloading all of the ltsp rpms. I'm thinking that a config script didn't run as part of the upgrade. When I do find odd is that it happened on every one of the old FC4 servers (ie local usb access failed) but on the old FC3 servers the upgrade worked perfectly. 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If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From peter at scheie.homedns.org Thu Apr 5 13:39:56 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:39:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get sound on Dell GX1's using K12LTSP v 5 In-Reply-To: <269310.2411.qm@web90515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <269310.2411.qm@web90515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4614FC2C.6000900@scheie.homedns.org> You might try Gideon Romm's oss-alsa sound patch at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 I had to use that to get sound working on some Dell Latitude laptops. Petre Jim Anderson wrote: > I've been trying to get sound without success. I have a room full of > Dell GX1 computers. According to Dell's specs, and as confirmed with a > Knoppix live CD, the sound chip is a CS4236. I have changed my lts.conf > to reflect this. here's the relevant section: > > # enable sound by default > SOUND = Y > # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on x86_64) > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" > > # default sound volume > VOLUME = 75 > > ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: > SMODULE_01 = "snd-cs4236" > # io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" > > I don't know the io and irq for the card, which is supposedly PnP. > > The error the clients get at boot is: > /dev/dsp: no such file or directory > > There is no /dev/dsp directory. I have various sound apps installed but > obviously they are not working. > Help! > > Jim Anderson, > The Cornerstone Residence, > Safe Harbors of the Hudson > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" > > at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Thu Apr 5 13:54:47 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:54:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] speed question In-Reply-To: <4614B853.1000705@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4612322F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <46127D65.1040600@cmosnetworks.com> <4614B853.1000705@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Well that's almost disappointing. My boss wants to buy a whole new lab of thin clients and LCD's. I wanted to use my current lab, all the iPaqs, and possibly get new monitors, I'd rather use the money on a server and new network equipment. The problem is then, if I go with our current computers, they probably won't be good enough for the multimedia applications. They are on the i810 chipset, but unfortunately don't support any upgrades aside from memory. So what thin client would someone recommend for use in a multimedia environment? They don't have to be tiny, but the iPaqs are a small form factor pc, about the size of Dell GX150s, and that's all the space I have. I may have to check with the teachers and see if they even let the students do much in there as far as videos go, because I like how well these iPaqs work. Anyone know if you can still buy them, even used? Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of "Terrell Prud? Jr." Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:50 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] speed question I haven't myself used the onboard Intel chipsets on LTSP terminals--my thin clients are a bit old for that--but there's no reason why it shouldn't work just fine. X11 does support the integrated Intel video, including in 3-D mode. However, note that the early onboard Intel graphics did rather suck for performance. That includes the i740 and, to a lesser extent, the i810. What that means is that, if you're using something like, say, MPlayer to watch video on a LTSP terminal, the clips need to be low-res. For the higher-res (i. e. 640x480) video, even an ATI 3D Rage Pro isn't fast enough; I needed to pop in that Matrox Millenium G400. This is on an AMD K6-300 with an AGP slot. That Millenium G400 made *all* the difference. Same with an ATI Radeon 7500 that I've got lying around; that did the trick, too. Your server's video card performance is totally orthogonal; it has nothing to do with what happens on the thin client. Nothing, nada, el-zippo. However, your server's CPU oomph can become an issue, depending on how many simultaneous streams you have going. My server at home, a dual Athlon 1.2GHz, can comfortably handle eight sessions, nine if I push it a little, before I peg both CPU's. But the server's CPU performance is a codec issue, not a video display issue. If you have an 8-core Opteron 2.8GHz monster box that can stream boatloads of simultaneous sessions without breathing hard, but your thin clients have sucky video chips, it's gonna be slow. Bottom line: if you're going to stream video, what your clients need isn't a killer CPU; a Pentium-166 is enough. What they need is a good video chipset. Now, that said, if, in your testing, you find that those clients of yours just don't cut the mustard for video streaming, they're still great for just about every other task, including TuxType and maybe even ChildsPlay. So they don't necessarily need to become expensive doorstops. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Kemp, Levi wrote: So as far as video goes, what about onboard Intel? We have a lot of Compaq, Dells, etc, that have Intel chipsets, Intel Video, Intel NIC, all onboard. They seemed to run fine, but say for instance I tried to run one of the science apps, astronomy one I think, it did nothing. Where I could use the same app on my Server which had a different video card. The ones I'm mainly going to be using are iPaq, 500Mhz Celerons, with 256MB, and all onboard Intel stuff(there's no room for pci, or any expansion slots). I want the Lab to be able to do some multimedia stuff, is that going to be an issue, or will I just need to beef up the server? Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of "Terrell Prud? Jr." Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:14 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] speed question If you're running apps locally on the thin client, then yes. Otherwise, I haven't seen one whit of difference. The CPU's on my thin clients range from Pentium-133 to Pentium II-300. Not a single one of them "feels slow." I do MPlayer video and all that good stuff on the thin client, at 640x480, with no framedrops. Remember that, in pure LTSP mode, your CPU is pretty much only running Linux, dhclient, bash, and X11, and you can do that with a 486-33. Here's what I *have* seen make a difference, though. The first is the use of 100BaseTX on the client. Yes, you can do it with 10BaseT, but not if you want TuxType or ChildsPlay to actually play smoothly. :-) The second is the need for a good--and FOSS-friendly--video chipset. That means that any nVidious chipsets are *OUT*. Why? They're just too closed, even with their specs, just like ATWhy is in recent years. Either of these issues can make your thin client feel sluggish. Here's a case in point. I got my hands on a recent nVidious card, thought, "hey, plug it in and go!", and discovered that even 2-D performance was D-A-W-G S-L-O-W. The reason was that the universal, but slow, VESA driver got autodetected, since nVidia is definitely *not* FOSS-friendly. Oh, I'm sure that I could've made a manual entry in lts.conf to point to the 2D-only nv driver. But, since I use multiple types of old PC's with multiple video card types, I chose not to play that game and simply went with a video board that actually is F/OSS friendly (ATU Radeon 8500 and previous, Matrox Millenium G400's, and so on). --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Daniel Kuecker wrote: I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there is a big difference between an 800 mhz and 200 mhz cpu for thin clients? I have devonIT 6020's and they seem to be smoking fast. I just got some eBox-2300 and they are pretty sweet, but they seem awfully slow compared to the devonIT. Is it the CPU difference? Thanks. 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URL: From xmechanic at gilanet.com Thu Apr 5 14:36:46 2007 From: xmechanic at gilanet.com (xmechanic) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:36:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 38, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <20070405132907.43D5D73488@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070405132907.43D5D73488@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4615097E.7060604@gilanet.com> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Subject: > Re: [K12OSN] Strange glitch in X on LTSP server > From: > Peter Scheie > Date: > Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:08:05 -0500 > To: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > To: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Thanks Petre, I've tried rebooting and I haven't made any changes to gdm. It does this consistently since it was installed. Maybe the servers video drivers are wacky? Card is a nVidia G-Force 6200 AGP 8x, and from past experience on other distributions, nVidia is always pretty well supported. Incidentally, I'm running K desktop on both the server and clients exclusively to reduce the amount of configuration I have to do, so theoretically, gdm wouldn't even be involved, correct?. kdm is the default. > I've seen this before after making changes to gdm and then running > gdm-restart or similar. Rebooting the server at a convenient time > (when there are no users) always seems to fix it. > > Petre > > xmechanic wrote: >> I have a demo system setup at the local school here with 2 terminals and >> a test server with an AMD 1800+ and 512mb of RAM. System is set up with >> K12LTSP ver. 5.0. Everything is working ok for the most part, but when a >> client logs off and the terminal goes back to the login screen, the >> screen on the server goes blank and then comes up with a message that >> there is already an X-server running on TTY1. I can do ctrl+alt+F7 and >> get back to my existing desktop, but it would be nice to find a fix for >> this. Any ideas? Thanks! >> >> Dave Land >> Land Computer Service >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck, is the day they start making vacuum cleaners :-) From peter at scheie.homedns.org Thu Apr 5 15:01:20 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:01:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 38, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <4615097E.7060604@gilanet.com> References: <20070405132907.43D5D73488@hormel.redhat.com> <4615097E.7060604@gilanet.com> Message-ID: <46150F40.4060407@scheie.homedns.org> Using KDE as the default desktop does not necessarily mean kdm is being used instead of gdm. I think that unless you specify kdm, gdm is used even if KDE is set as the default desktop. Both are set in /etc/sysconfig/desktop, thusly: DISPLAYMANAGER="GDM" DESKTOP="GNOME" IIRC, to set kdm as the display manager, you set DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE", and that's not a typo, KDE is specified, not KDM. But it's been a while so test it, don't take my word for it. Not that that really helps your problem. Do you get the same result if the client uses gnome instead of kde? xmechanic wrote: >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Subject: >> Re: [K12OSN] Strange glitch in X on LTSP server >> From: >> Peter Scheie >> Date: >> Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:08:05 -0500 >> To: >> "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >> To: >> "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >> > Thanks Petre, > I've tried rebooting and I haven't made any changes to gdm. It does this > consistently since it was installed. Maybe the servers video drivers are > wacky? Card is a nVidia G-Force 6200 AGP 8x, and from past experience on > other distributions, nVidia is always pretty well supported. > Incidentally, I'm running K desktop on both the server and clients > exclusively to reduce the amount of configuration I have to do, so > theoretically, gdm wouldn't even be involved, correct?. kdm is the default. > >> I've seen this before after making changes to gdm and then running >> gdm-restart or similar. Rebooting the server at a convenient time >> (when there are no users) always seems to fix it. >> >> Petre >> >> xmechanic wrote: >>> I have a demo system setup at the local school here with 2 terminals and >>> a test server with an AMD 1800+ and 512mb of RAM. System is set up with >>> K12LTSP ver. 5.0. Everything is working ok for the most part, but when a >>> client logs off and the terminal goes back to the login screen, the >>> screen on the server goes blank and then comes up with a message that >>> there is already an X-server running on TTY1. I can do ctrl+alt+F7 and >>> get back to my existing desktop, but it would be nice to find a fix for >>> this. Any ideas? Thanks! >>> >>> Dave Land >>> Land Computer Service >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 16:32:50 2007 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:32:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get sound on Dell GX1's using K12LTSP v 5 In-Reply-To: <4614FC2C.6000900@scheie.homedns.org> References: <269310.2411.qm@web90515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4614FC2C.6000900@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <461524B2.602@earthlink.net> > Jim Anderson wrote: >> I've been trying to get sound without success. I have a room full of >> Dell GX1 computers. According to Dell's specs, and as confirmed with >> a Knoppix live CD, the sound chip is a CS4236. I have changed my >> lts.conf to reflect this. here's the relevant section: >> >> # enable sound by default >> SOUND = Y >> # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on >> x86_64) >> SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" >> # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" >> >> # default sound volume >> VOLUME = 75 >> >> ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: >> SMODULE_01 = "snd-cs4236" >> # io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" >> This is the sound chip I use for the GX1's is: SMODULE_01="cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" These are the settings I use for the little diskless workstations from disklessworkstations.com SMODULE_01=soundcore SMODULE_02=ac97_codec SMODULE_03=via82cxxx_audio The Dell GX60 needs to be set to this: SMODULE_01=i810_audio Some old ancient Vectra's that we have use this: SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" Most of the time LTSP automatically detects which sound module to use, but if it doesn't, then so far these are the settings that I have found to work. This would be a typical entry in the lts.conf file for a classroom. I use the lts.conf file for inventory purposes and to track down machines in the building in the event users are doing stuff they shouldn't be doing.... I have a hodge podge of machines, but prefer to look for donated Dell's with PXE capability. My current favorite is the small profile Dell GX60 - 240's as they are plentiful and easy to configure, sound works well. You can buy them pretty cheaply or get them for free from computer recyclers. They are fairly small so they don't take up as much room as the older desktop CPUs. Not quite as hot. #================================================ #Machine 55 -- Sarah's Room [00:b0:d0:25:41:51] USE_NFS_SWAP=Y SWAP_SERVER=192.168.0.254 SMODULE_01="cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" #Machine 56 -- Sarah Bayer's Room [00:10:4b:63:bd:4e] USE_NFS_SWAP=Y SWAP_SERVER=192.168.0.254 #Machine 57 -- Sarah Bayer's Room [00:60:97:64:02:e2] USE_NFS_SWAP=Y SWAP_SERVER=192.168.0.254 SMODULE_01="cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" #Machine 58 -- Sarah Bayer's Room [00:60:97:db:a7:ff] SMODULE_01="cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" On Rita Gibson RMSELTech From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 18:12:04 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:12:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <004201c530bc$39deba10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <4892876105032412521efb8fad@mail.gmail.com> <004201c530bc$39deba10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560704051112l45d680e8lbd8093535317aa14@mail.gmail.com> Hey Jim, did you ever find a solution that met all your requirements? specifically I'm wondering if you found something that would use different filtering rules based on user/group (not just filter/not-filter). Thanks, Peter Hartmann On 3/24/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Feel free to use the how-to I wrote up for our library system > > here in louisiana to get some info. It contains the step by > > step instructions on how I setup squidguard to replace our > > Iprism web filter. > > http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ > > It may have some information that could help out in any way > > you choose to go. > > I've used IP Cop in the past with Dansguardian which worked fine. But > now I may be posed with a scenario that calls on a new solution. > > Next year I'll have a K12LTSP box with SAMBA/LDAP setup to run > authentication for Linux Terminals, OSX, and Windows 2000/XP. > Everything will require logins based on users from the SAMBA/LDAP setup. > Now as far as content filtering goes we are looking towards a system > that will require users to login before accessing the internet at all > (or at least pull the current user from the machine). Then I need it to > hand out custom filtering based off the user group they are assinged to > in the SAMBA/LDAP. So if student1 logs into any machine on campus > before they can browse any page on the internet they either login as > student1 or the content filter pulls the information from the machine > and automatically knows student1 is logged in. Then I need it to look > at student1 and see they are in the Students group and hand out the > filtering rules that apply to the Students group. Or if teacher1 logs > in hand out rules for the Teacher group, etc. > > Then if at all possible I want the ability to break down logs by user > and find out each specific users activity. I may need to know only > attempts to access offending sites, but I may need to be able to find > out every site student1 accessed on a given day. > > If anyone has a solution that provides this please let me know. I don't > really care what distribution it is based off of or what hardware > requirements are. I just want a Open Source solution that works. > > Thanks > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Apr 5 18:16:22 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:16:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] speed question Message-ID: <4614F6A60200007D00003D93@mail.shenandoah.k12.ia.us> I just purchased some of the eBox 2300's. http://www.wdlsystems.com/ebox/ebox.shtml $106/each. THey mounted on the back of LCD panels. I have not had much time to test it, but they seem pretty sweet. I do believe they seem just a hair bit slower than the devinIT systems I bought, but they were $50 cheaper.. and I do not know if the speed difference is worth the money... But I am very happy with the DevonIT 6020's as well. >>> "Kemp, Levi" 04/05/07 8:54 AM >>> Well that's almost disappointing. My boss wants to buy a whole new lab of thin clients and LCD's. I wanted to use my current lab, all the iPaqs, and possibly get new monitors, I'd rather use the money on a server and new network equipment. The problem is then, if I go with our current computers, they probably won't be good enough for the multimedia applications. They are on the i810 chipset, but unfortunately don't support any upgrades aside from memory. So what thin client would someone recommend for use in a multimedia environment? They don't have to be tiny, but the iPaqs are a small form factor pc, about the size of Dell GX150s, and that's all the space I have. I may have to check with the teachers and see if they even let the students do much in there as far as videos go, because I like how well these iPaqs work. Anyone know if you can still buy them, even used? Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of "Terrell Prud? Jr." Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:50 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] speed question I haven't myself used the onboard Intel chipsets on LTSP terminals--my thin clients are a bit old for that--but there's no reason why it shouldn't work just fine. X11 does support the integrated Intel video, including in 3-D mode. However, note that the early onboard Intel graphics did rather suck for performance. That includes the i740 and, to a lesser extent, the i810. What that means is that, if you're using something like, say, MPlayer to watch video on a LTSP terminal, the clips need to be low-res. For the higher-res (i. e. 640x480) video, even an ATI 3D Rage Pro isn't fast enough; I needed to pop in that Matrox Millenium G400. This is on an AMD K6-300 with an AGP slot. That Millenium G400 made *all* the difference. Same with an ATI Radeon 7500 that I've got lying around; that did the trick, too. Your server's video card performance is totally orthogonal; it has nothing to do with what happens on the thin client. Nothing, nada, el-zippo. However, your server's CPU oomph can become an issue, depending on how many simultaneous streams you have going. My server at home, a dual Athlon 1.2GHz, can comfortably handle eight sessions, nine if I push it a little, before I peg both CPU's. But the server's CPU performance is a codec issue, not a video display issue. If you have an 8-core Opteron 2.8GHz monster box that can stream boatloads of simultaneous sessions without breathing hard, but your thin clients have sucky video chips, it's gonna be slow. Bottom line: if you're going to stream video, what your clients need isn't a killer CPU; a Pentium-166 is enough. What they need is a good video chipset. Now, that said, if, in your testing, you find that those clients of yours just don't cut the mustard for video streaming, they're still great for just about every other task, including TuxType and maybe even ChildsPlay. So they don't necessarily need to become expensive doorstops. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Kemp, Levi wrote: So as far as video goes, what about onboard Intel? We have a lot of Compaq, Dells, etc, that have Intel chipsets, Intel Video, Intel NIC, all onboard. They seemed to run fine, but say for instance I tried to rnk, it did nothing. Where I could use the same app on my Server which had a different video card. The ones I'm mainly going to be using are iPaq, 500Mhz Celerons, with 256MB, and all onboard Intel stuff(there's no room for pci, or any expansion slots). I want the Lab to be able to do some multimedia stuff, is that going to be an issue, or will I just need to beef up the server? Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of "Terrell Prud? Jr." Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:14 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] speed question If you're running apps locally on the thin client, then yes. Otherwise, I haven't seen one whit of difference. The CPU's on my thin clients range from Pentium-133 to Pentium II-300. Not a single one of them "feels slow." I do MPlayer video and all that good stuff on the thin client, at 640x480, with no framedrops. Remember that, in pure LTSP mode, your CPU is pretty much only running Linux, dhclient, bash, and X11, and you can do that with a 486-33. Here's what I *have* seen make a difference, though. The first is the use of 100BaseTX on the client. Yes, you can do it with 10BaseT, but not if you want TuxType or ChildsPlay to actually play smoothly. :-) The second is the need for a good--and FOSS-friendly--video chipset. That means that any nVidious chipsets are *OUT*. Why? They're just too closed, even with their specs, just like ATWhy is in recent years. Either of these issues can make your thin client feel sluggish. Here's a case in point. I got my hands on a recent nVidious card, thought, "hey, plug it in and go!", and discovered that even 2-D performance was D-A-W-G S-L-O-W. The reason was that the universal, but slow, VESA driver got autodetected, since nVidia is definitely *not* FOSS-friendly. Oh, I'm sure that I could've made a manual entry in lts.conf to point to the 2D-only nv driver. But, since I use multiple types of old PC's with multiple video card types, I chose not to play that game and simply went with a video board that actually is F/OSS friendly (ATU Radeon 8500 and previous, Matrox Millenium G400's, and so on). --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Daniel Kuecker wrote: I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there is a big difference between an 800 mhz and 200 mhz cpu for thin clients? I have devonIT 6020's and they seem to be smoking fast. I just got some eBox-2300 and they are pretty sweet, but they seem awfully slow compared to the devonIT. Is it the CPU difference? Thanks. Daniel _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ________________________________ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From xmechanic at gilanet.com Thu Apr 5 18:26:30 2007 From: xmechanic at gilanet.com (xmechanic) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:26:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 38, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <20070405160024.E1754736D1@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070405160024.E1754736D1@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <46153F56.5010009@gilanet.com> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 38, Issue 5 > From: > Peter Scheie > Date: > Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:01:20 -0500 > To: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > To: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > I found out that in /etc/sysconfig/desktop there was no reference to the displaymanager=, so I added it and tried DISPLAYMANAGER="KDM" and then DISPLAYMANAGER="GDM", rebooting the server and cycling the terminals between each change and still have the same anomaly. Whenever I logoff a user on one of the terminals, the screen goes blank on the server and then pops up the error message again. I can always do ctrl+alt+F7 and get the screen back, but it seems that there should be some way to get the clients to look at a terminal that's not currently being used (by the server's x-server). Incidently, in answer to your question, it was doing this before I set KDE as the default desktop. Dave Land > Using KDE as the default desktop does not necessarily mean kdm is > being used instead of gdm. I think that unless you specify kdm, gdm > is used even if KDE is set as the default desktop. Both are set in > /etc/sysconfig/desktop, thusly: > > DISPLAYMANAGER="GDM" > DESKTOP="GNOME" > > IIRC, to set kdm as the display manager, you set DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE", > and that's not a typo, KDE is specified, not KDM. But it's been a > while so test it, don't take my word for it. > > Not that that really helps your problem. Do you get the same result > if the client uses gnome instead of kde? > > xmechanic wrote: >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: >>> Re: [K12OSN] Strange glitch in X on LTSP server >>> From: >>> Peter Scheie >>> Date: >>> Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:08:05 -0500 >>> To: >>> "Support list for open source software in schools." >>> >>> To: >>> "Support list for open source software in schools." >>> >>> >> Thanks Petre, >> I've tried rebooting and I haven't made any changes to gdm. It does >> this consistently since it was installed. Maybe the servers video >> drivers are wacky? Card is a nVidia G-Force 6200 AGP 8x, and from >> past experience on other distributions, nVidia is always pretty well >> supported. Incidentally, I'm running K desktop on both the server and >> clients exclusively to reduce the amount of configuration I have to >> do, so theoretically, gdm wouldn't even be involved, correct?. kdm is >> the default. >> >>> I've seen this before after making changes to gdm and then running >>> gdm-restart or similar. Rebooting the server at a convenient time >>> (when there are no users) always seems to fix it. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> xmechanic wrote: >>>> I have a demo system setup at the local school here with 2 >>>> terminals and >>>> a test server with an AMD 1800+ and 512mb of RAM. System is set up >>>> with >>>> K12LTSP ver. 5.0. Everything is working ok for the most part, but >>>> when a >>>> client logs off and the terminal goes back to the login screen, the >>>> screen on the server goes blank and then comes up with a message that >>>> there is already an X-server running on TTY1 I can do ctrl+alt+F7 and >>>> get back to my existing desktop, but it would be nice to find a fix >>>> for >>>> this. Any ideas? Thanks! >>>> >>>> Dave Land >>>> Land Computer Service >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 19:50:18 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:50:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] speed question In-Reply-To: References: <4612322F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <46127D65.1040600@cmosnetworks.com> <4614B853.1000705@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 4/5/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > > > > > Well that's almost disappointing. My boss wants to buy a whole new lab of > thin clients and LCD's. I wanted to use my current lab, all the iPaqs, and > possibly get new monitors, I'd rather use the money on a server and new > network equipment. The problem is then, if I go with our current computers, > they probably won't be good enough for the multimedia applications. They are > on the i810 chipset, but unfortunately don't support any upgrades aside from > memory. So what thin client would someone recommend for use in a multimedia Before you go out and buy all new clients. If I read correctly your current ones are 500Mhz Celerons with 256MB. They *might* be good enough to run Mplayer locally if that's what you mean by multimedia apps. LTSP 5 is supposed to be easier to do local apps and I think K12LTSP 7 is going to use LTSP 5. Even if you have video cards like the Matrox G400 or the Radeon 9200 as Terrell suggests you can't really have a whole lab all watching fullscreen video/sound (headphones) at the same time. It will not only hammer your server trying to decompress 30 video streams simultaneously but also saturate even a gigabit linked eth0, not to mention video/audio sync problems over the network. But you can do this with Mplayer as a local app. Provided you have clients powerful enough. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Thu Apr 5 20:42:34 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:42:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Removing the "Floppy" desktop icon In-Reply-To: <46116314.3040304@scheie.homedns.org> References: <45C0E5E6.4090807@arava.co.il> <200704021007.55190.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <46116314.3040304@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <200704051542.34665.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Hello Petre, I finally was able to get to your last suggestion and it worked. No more floppy icon. :) You may want to add that to the Wiki. Thanks for the tip. I'm almost finished with the KDE Kiosk. I just need to auto logon and set a simple text scroller screen saver and I think I'm done. Ray On Monday 02 April 2007 15:09, Peter Scheie wrote: > Ray Garza wrote: > > On Monday 02 April 2007 09:42, Peter Scheie wrote: > >> Ray Garza wrote: > >>> On Wednesday 31 January 2007 13:35, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>>> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Disabling_lo > >>>>ca l_d evice_access_fo > >>> > >>> Petre, > >>> > >>> I tried this with the K12LTSP version 6 and it did not work. I still > >>> get the floppy Icon on the desktop. Any other place that I can look to > >>> disable it? > >>> > >>> Ray > >> > >> Are you booting from floppy? > > > > Yes, I'm booting from a floppy. I'm trying to finish setting up KDE in > > KIOSK mode for our card catalogs and this is one of the few puzzles left > > to over come. > > > > Ray > > Hmm, seems to work on my ver. 6 system. Try this: Edit > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/scripts/ltsp-device.sh and comment out lines 88-91, > like so: > > # /dev/*/lun0/disc) LTSP_DEVTYPE="floppy" > # ;; > # /dev/fd*) LTSP_DEVTYPE="floppy" > # ;; > > This is after the fact, in that disabling the floppy in the > 15-ltsp-block.rules file should fix it. But I notice that on some of my > laptop clients that modifying ltsp-device.sh is also necessary to prevent > the floppy icon from appearing because the BIOS reports that there is a > floppy drive even if there isn't, since the floppy and CD-ROM can be > hot-swapped. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmccue at uvic.ca Thu Apr 5 21:17:17 2007 From: rmccue at uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:17:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Google Apps free for Schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We had a great discussion here at the University of Victoria about Privacy issues, and outsourcing of e-mail about a month ago. Our discussion focused mainly on Google. What was great about the group participating, is that we not only had IT managers and staff in attendance, but also a Senior University Auditor who has a particular interest in privacy issues. Here are my notes from the meeting: Outsourcing Email Discussion Points *Presentation notes at:* *http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd7xm6g_29323m37* *Privacy Concerns* - How would this relate to recent privacy concerns regarding the BC Government contracting out to US-hosted servers? Very similar. - Can US vendors enter computers hosted in Canada, if the parent company is based in the US? Canadian subsidiaries may be OK in this regard. However, even if the parent company is not from the US, the US Government can request data held by Canadian companies. - Trust is the underlying issue, to meet conditions of contract. Doesn't matter who the host is, the question is whether they can be trusted not to abuse their position of privilege. - Privacy is only a "useful illusion". - Cookies can be considered a form of privacy policy statements. Nothing that is *not* collected. Privacy concerns are not relevant. Privacy issues could be problematic with any hosting arrangement, externally contracted or not. *Ownership of Data* - Google contract ensures users retain ownership of the data, however, Google has control over the data. - Advertising is directly relevant to content of messages, indicating that Google scans the content of messages to generate context sensitive advertising. This advertising can be turned off for currently enrolled students. *Advantages* - Can users delete account? Yes. - Advantages: Logging, spam filter, phone integration, Word->HTML conversion, 2 GB storage. Added functionality: collaborative services. Contrast Sharepoint: no checkout/check-in with Google, but in Google can do co-editing (i.e. two peopled edit the same document at the same time, w/ versioning). *Integration with existing infrastructure and organizational policy* - Does it integrate with LDAP? Yes. Can use @uvic.ca for google and non google accounts. - If an institution were to look at introducing it, what would be the process? - Can an organization legitimately require students to have GMail accounts? Some schools require students to check accounts. - Attractive to management as money-saving measure. Will there be union concerns about contracting out? -- Rich McCue Systems Administrator University of Victoria Faculty of Law http://law.uvic.ca/rmccue +1 250 472 4716 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our authentication is provided via Active Directory on Windows 2003 and currently we provide storage for students on a windows based file-server. My intention is to keep student account management on AD since we'll continue to support a certain segment of windows fat clients which need to authenticate to AD. Because we use group policies to manage our windows clients, it doesn't' seem feasible to create a new student domain on a linux box running samba. My goal is to move our students away from windows based file storage completely and to centralize the winbind.tdb so that it can handle linux to windows uid/gid mapping for all students in the district. I think these goals go hand in hand, since its my understanding that multiple linux file servers, require a single winbind database in order to keep the uid/gid mapping consistent. I am pretty sure that I want to do this by storing my winbind user/pass data on a central ldap server since I see that winbind/SAMBA can use a LDAP backend. I am trying to figure out where and how to start thinking about this. I am not even sure if this is incredibly complex or really straight-forward. 1) Has anyone on this list done something similar 2) If so how successfully? Using what resources etc? 3) I DO need to migrate the current windows directory tree holding student work to a new linux file server. Perhaps it would be as easy as using xcopy or robocopy? But how would I automagically make my linux/samba users own the contents of their migrated directories? 4) I've seen http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LDAP http://www.majen.net/smbldap/ and http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ am I on the right track? Many thanks in advance. I await your replies with bated breath! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at ptd.net Thu Apr 5 23:47:42 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:47:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] need help scaling LTSP: setting up Winbind and LDAP In-Reply-To: <2be970b50704051420s5ba4f771o1c0d90d964beece@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50704051420s5ba4f771o1c0d90d964beece@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070405234742.GC20629@clubber.owens.net> I don't have an answer, but I'm contemplating a similar setup to your proposed one. My question is: If you authenticate to Active Directory, how do students using Linux workstations change their passwords? -Rob On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 02:20:17PM -0700, john wrote: > Hi all, > > I really need advice on scaling our LTSP installation. I hope you'll bear > with me as I ask this rather lengthy question. Your advice and comments will > be invaluable to me! > > Here's some background: > > I've installed three LTSP test servers, at three different schools in our > district. These schools are all located on a square mile campus and > connected via a multi-mode fiber back-haul. Together the LTSP servers > support 30 thin clients, which are available to the 1600 kids across our > small school district. The response has been very positive. I've been given > the go-ahead to scale the project up, replacing as many as 20or 30 > additional aging fat clients per school. > > Our authentication is provided via Active Directory on Windows 2003 and > currently we provide storage for students on a windows based file-server. > My intention is to keep student account management on AD since we'll > continue to support a certain segment of windows fat clients which need to > authenticate to AD. Because we use group policies to manage our windows > clients, it doesn't' seem feasible to create a new student domain on a linux > box running samba. > > My goal is to move our students away from windows based file storage > completely and to centralize the winbind.tdb so that it can handle linux to > windows uid/gid mapping for all students in the district. I think these > goals go hand in hand, since its my understanding that multiple linux file > servers, require a single winbind database in order to keep the uid/gid > mapping consistent. > > I am pretty sure that I want to do this by storing my winbind user/pass data > on a central ldap server since I see that winbind/SAMBA can use a LDAP > backend. I am trying to figure out where and how to start thinking about > this. I am not even sure if this is incredibly complex or really > straight-forward. > > > 1) Has anyone on this list done something similar > > 2) If so how successfully? Using what resources etc? > > 3) I DO need to migrate the current windows directory tree holding student > work to a new linux file server. Perhaps it would be as easy as using xcopy > or robocopy? But how would I automagically make my linux/samba users own the > contents of their migrated directories? > > 4) I've seen http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LDAP > http://www.majen.net/smbldap/ and > http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ > am I on the right track? > > Many thanks in advance. I await your replies with bated breath! > > John > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 00:21:10 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:21:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] speed question In-Reply-To: References: <4612322F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <46127D65.1040600@cmosnetworks.com> <4614B853.1000705@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560704051721h5a685b2csa7fefe2fd6e9a708@mail.gmail.com> > as Terrell suggests you can't > really have a whole lab all watching fullscreen video/sound > (headphones) at the same time. multicasting with vlc can do it, not locally. you almost have to try it to belive how well it works. it's freaky, the audio almost syncs up in a lab of thin clients. you can start it with a custom vlcrc file that will override local settings to use the video and audio output of your choice. Peter On 4/5/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 4/5/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well that's almost disappointing. My boss wants to buy a whole new lab of > > thin clients and LCD's. I wanted to use my current lab, all the iPaqs, and > > possibly get new monitors, I'd rather use the money on a server and new > > network equipment. The problem is then, if I go with our current computers, > > they probably won't be good enough for the multimedia applications. They are > > on the i810 chipset, but unfortunately don't support any upgrades aside from > > memory. So what thin client would someone recommend for use in a multimedia > > Before you go out and buy all new clients. If I read correctly your > current ones are 500Mhz Celerons with 256MB. They *might* be good > enough to run Mplayer locally if that's what you mean by multimedia > apps. LTSP 5 is supposed to be easier to do local apps and I think > K12LTSP 7 is going to use LTSP 5. Even if you have video cards like > the Matrox G400 or the Radeon 9200 as Terrell suggests you can't > really have a whole lab all watching fullscreen video/sound > (headphones) at the same time. It will not only hammer your server > trying to decompress 30 video streams simultaneously but also saturate > even a gigabit linked eth0, not to mention video/audio sync problems > over the network. But you can do this with Mplayer as a local app. > Provided you have clients powerful enough. > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 01:19:52 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:19:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] need help scaling LTSP: setting up Winbind and LDAP In-Reply-To: <20070405234742.GC20629@clubber.owens.net> References: <2be970b50704051420s5ba4f771o1c0d90d964beece@mail.gmail.com> <20070405234742.GC20629@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <2be970b50704051819x2bbd70c4s251124f5c05f8159@mail.gmail.com> That's a good question Rob. I believe the "password chat" switch in smb.confmight be a way to do this. John On 4/5/07, Rob Owens wrote: > > I don't have an answer, but I'm contemplating a similar setup to your > proposed one. My question is: If you authenticate to Active Directory, > how do students using Linux workstations change their passwords? > > -Rob > > On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 02:20:17PM -0700, john wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I really need advice on scaling our LTSP installation. I hope you'll > bear > > with me as I ask this rather lengthy question. Your advice and comments > will > > be invaluable to me! > > > > Here's some background: > > > > I've installed three LTSP test servers, at three different schools in > our > > district. These schools are all located on a square mile campus and > > connected via a multi-mode fiber back-haul. Together the LTSP servers > > support 30 thin clients, which are available to the 1600 kids across our > > small school district. The response has been very positive. I've been > given > > the go-ahead to scale the project up, replacing as many as 20or 30 > > additional aging fat clients per school. > > > > Our authentication is provided via Active Directory on Windows 2003 and > > currently we provide storage for students on a windows based > file-server. > > My intention is to keep student account management on AD since we'll > > continue to support a certain segment of windows fat clients which need > to > > authenticate to AD. Because we use group policies to manage our windows > > clients, it doesn't' seem feasible to create a new student domain on a > linux > > box running samba. > > > > My goal is to move our students away from windows based file storage > > completely and to centralize the winbind.tdb so that it can handle > linux to > > windows uid/gid mapping for all students in the district. I think these > > goals go hand in hand, since its my understanding that multiple linux > file > > servers, require a single winbind database in order to keep the uid/gid > > mapping consistent. > > > > I am pretty sure that I want to do this by storing my winbind user/pass > data > > on a central ldap server since I see that winbind/SAMBA can use a LDAP > > backend. I am trying to figure out where and how to start thinking about > > this. I am not even sure if this is incredibly complex or really > > straight-forward. > > > > > > 1) Has anyone on this list done something similar > > > > 2) If so how successfully? Using what resources etc? > > > > 3) I DO need to migrate the current windows directory tree holding > student > > work to a new linux file server. Perhaps it would be as easy as using > xcopy > > or robocopy? 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URL: From steven at simplycircus.com Fri Apr 6 01:30:43 2007 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:30:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] need help scaling LTSP: setting up Winbind and LDAP In-Reply-To: <2be970b50704051420s5ba4f771o1c0d90d964beece@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Lots of ways to go with this question. Lets start by gathering more info; Can you tell us more about the current computing enviornment on campus? - How many, and of what type (mac, win, unix, other) are the computers you have? - Do you have a managed or unmanaged network? Can you do vLANS? - Do you currently spread your servers out, or are they centralized? Can you tell us more about where your planning to go? - Do you plan a mass migration to an all or mostly linux enviornment? - Are you planning on having multi-media (Mac/Lin/Win fat clients?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of john Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:20 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] need help scaling LTSP: setting up Winbind and LDAP Hi all, I really need advice on scaling our LTSP installation. I hope you'll bear with me as I ask this rather lengthy question. Your advice and comments will be invaluable to me! Here's some background: I've installed three LTSP test servers, at three different schools in our district. These schools are all located on a square mile campus and connected via a multi-mode fiber back-haul. Together the LTSP servers support 30 thin clients, which are available to the 1600 kids across our small school district. The response has been very positive. I've been given the go-ahead to scale the project up, replacing as many as 20or 30 additional aging fat clients per school. Our authentication is provided via Active Directory on Windows 2003 and currently we provide storage for students on a windows based file-server. My intention is to keep student account management on AD since we'll continue to support a certain segment of windows fat clients which need to authenticate to AD. Because we use group policies to manage our windows clients, it doesn't' seem feasible to create a new student domain on a linux box running samba. My goal is to move our students away from windows based file storage completely and to centralize the winbind.tdb so that it can handle linux to windows uid/gid mapping for all students in the district. I think these goals go hand in hand, since its my understanding that multiple linux file servers, require a single winbind database in order to keep the uid/gid mapping consistent. I am pretty sure that I want to do this by storing my winbind user/pass data on a central ldap server since I see that winbind/SAMBA can use a LDAP backend. I am trying to figure out where and how to start thinking about this. I am not even sure if this is incredibly complex or really straight-forward. 1) Has anyone on this list done something similar 2) If so how successfully? Using what resources etc? 3) I DO need to migrate the current windows directory tree holding student work to a new linux file server. Perhaps it would be as easy as using xcopy or robocopy? But how would I automagically make my linux/samba users own the contents of their migrated directories? 4) I've seen http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LDAP http://www.majen.net/smbldap/ and http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ am I on the right track? Many thanks in advance. I await your replies with bated breath! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 6 02:11:51 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:11:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <9bd317560704051112l45d680e8lbd8093535317aa14@mail.gmail.com> References: <4892876105032412521efb8fad@mail.gmail.com> <004201c530bc$39deba10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <9bd317560704051112l45d680e8lbd8093535317aa14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070406020958.M9977@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:12:04 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote > Hey Jim, > did you ever find a solution that met all your requirements? > specifically I'm wondering if you found something that would use > different filtering rules based on user/group (not just > filter/not-filter). Very funny that you ask this question, I was actually revisiting this today as a matter of fact :-) I never found the solution I was looking for before, but today I found the following: http://www.advproxy.net/ It looks like it will do exactly what I was looking for. I may try and implement it over the summer, a little late in the year to try it now. If you give it a try post your results back to the list. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 02:19:06 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:19:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] need help scaling LTSP: setting up Winbind and LDAP In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50704051420s5ba4f771o1c0d90d964beece@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50704051919u579f88c9p66ec99579acf8b98@mail.gmail.com> Hi Steven thanks for your interest. On 4/5/07, Steven Santos wrote: > > Lots of ways to go with this question. Lets start by gathering more > info; > > Can you tell us more about the current computing enviornment on campus? > - How many, and of what type (mac, win, unix, other) are the computers you > have? > We run a mix of WinSP clients, Mac OSX clients, and ltsp based thin clients. - Do you have a managed or unmanaged network? Can you do vLANS? > I am not sure what you mean by a managed network, you'll have to enlighten me. We do have managed switches and routers. We do make extensive use of VLANS and in fact that's how I push the LTSP environment from building to building. - Do you currently spread your servers out, or are they centralized? > Our AD based infrastructure is centralized and our LTSP based servers are local to each school. Can you tell us more about where your planning to go? > - Do you plan a mass migration to an all or mostly linux enviornment? > We're looking toward a time when Linux based thin clients are in the majority for students, with the only remaining Windows or OSX based clients handling special duties like heavy duty graphics rendering (Illustrator, Studio 4d, etc) - Are you planning on having multi-media (Mac/Lin/Win fat clients?) > The multimedia stuff will most likely be handled by dedicated fat clients. Thanks. I look forward to hearing your ideas. As I get farther into the SAMBA documentation it seems like I might be looking at at least two possible solutions: IDMAP_RID with Winbind IDMAP Storage in LDAP Using Winbind which I found explained by John H. Terpstra here: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/idmapper.html Boy to I feel in over my head! John ------------------------------ > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 617-527-0667 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]*On > Behalf Of *john > *Sent:* Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:20 PM > *To:* Support list for open source software in schools. > *Subject:* [K12OSN] need help scaling LTSP: setting up Winbind and LDAP > > Hi all, > > I really need advice on scaling our LTSP installation. I hope you'll bear > with me as I ask this rather lengthy question. Your advice and comments will > be invaluable to me! > > Here's some background: > > I've installed three LTSP test servers, at three different schools in our > district. These schools are all located on a square mile campus and > connected via a multi-mode fiber back-haul. Together the LTSP servers > support 30 thin clients, which are available to the 1600 kids across our > small school district. The response has been very positive. I've been given > the go-ahead to scale the project up, replacing as many as 20or 30 > additional aging fat clients per school. > > Our authentication is provided via Active Directory on Windows 2003 and > currently we provide storage for students on a windows based file-server. > My intention is to keep student account management on AD since we'll > continue to support a certain segment of windows fat clients which need to > authenticate to AD. Because we use group policies to manage our windows > clients, it doesn't' seem feasible to create a new student domain on a linux > box running samba. > > My goal is to move our students away from windows based file storage > completely and to centralize the winbind.tdb so that it can handle linux > to windows uid/gid mapping for all students in the district. I think these > goals go hand in hand, since its my understanding that multiple linux file > servers, require a single winbind database in order to keep the uid/gid > mapping consistent. > > I am pretty sure that I want to do this by storing my winbind user/pass > data on a central ldap server since I see that winbind/SAMBA can use a LDAP > backend. I am trying to figure out where and how to start thinking about > this. I am not even sure if this is incredibly complex or really > straight-forward. > > > 1) Has anyone on this list done something similar > > 2) If so how successfully? Using what resources etc? > > 3) I DO need to migrate the current windows directory tree holding student > work to a new linux file server. Perhaps it would be as easy as using xcopy > or robocopy? But how would I automagically make my linux/samba users own the > contents of their migrated directories? > > 4) I've seen http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LDAP > http://www.majen.net/smbldap/ and > http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ > am I on the right track? > > Many thanks in advance. I await your replies with bated breath! > > John > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 04:06:36 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:06:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] speed question In-Reply-To: <9bd317560704051721h5a685b2csa7fefe2fd6e9a708@mail.gmail.com> References: <4612322F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <46127D65.1040600@cmosnetworks.com> <4614B853.1000705@cmosnetworks.com> <9bd317560704051721h5a685b2csa7fefe2fd6e9a708@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/5/07, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > as Terrell suggests you can't > > really have a whole lab all watching fullscreen video/sound > > (headphones) at the same time. > > multicasting with vlc can do it, not locally. you almost have to try > it to belive how well it works. it's freaky, the audio almost syncs up > in a lab of thin clients. you can start it with a custom vlcrc file > that will override local settings to use the video and audio output of > your choice. I'd love to try this! So you have one set of speakers connected to one client in the class which everyone hears. Any tips or details appreciated Peter. I found this http://tldp.org/REF/VideoLAN-Quickstart/x536.html -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 04:32:58 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:32:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Multicasting video using vlc server/client (WAS: speed question) Message-ID: On 4/5/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 4/5/07, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > as Terrell suggests you can't > > > really have a whole lab all watching fullscreen video/sound > > > (headphones) at the same time. > > > > multicasting with vlc can do it, not locally. you almost have to try > > it to belive how well it works. it's freaky, the audio almost syncs up > > in a lab of thin clients. you can start it with a custom vlcrc file > > that will override local settings to use the video and audio output of > > your choice. > > I'd love to try this! So you have one set of speakers connected to one > client in the class which everyone hears. Any tips or details > appreciated Peter. I found it Peter. It's your "whoohoo!" post from July 27th, 2006. I should have looked in the k12ltsp archive first. I also have the same thought as Les did. Since the vlc server AND the client are running on the same box (k12ltsp) why does the multicast feature of your switch help the broadcast since the server still has to shoot X over the network? (scratches head) > > I found this > http://tldp.org/REF/VideoLAN-Quickstart/x536.html > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 11:02:35 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:02:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multicasting video using vlc server/client (WAS: speed question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560704060402y223fd442m39165bf14c8ae40b@mail.gmail.com> >why does the multicast feature of your switch > help the broadcast since the server still has to shoot X over the > network? (scratches head) I thought it was involved somehow but it's not. I learned that after the post. P On 4/6/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 4/5/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 4/5/07, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > > as Terrell suggests you can't > > > > really have a whole lab all watching fullscreen video/sound > > > > (headphones) at the same time. > > > > > > multicasting with vlc can do it, not locally. you almost have to try > > > it to belive how well it works. it's freaky, the audio almost syncs up > > > in a lab of thin clients. you can start it with a custom vlcrc file > > > that will override local settings to use the video and audio output of > > > your choice. > > > > I'd love to try this! So you have one set of speakers connected to one > > client in the class which everyone hears. Any tips or details > > appreciated Peter. > > I found it Peter. It's your "whoohoo!" post from July 27th, 2006. I > should have looked in the k12ltsp archive first. I also have the same > thought as Les did. Since the vlc server AND the client are running on > the same box (k12ltsp) why does the multicast feature of your switch > help the broadcast since the server still has to shoot X over the > network? (scratches head) > > > > > I found this > > http://tldp.org/REF/VideoLAN-Quickstart/x536.html > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 11:17:54 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:17:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multicasting video using vlc server/client (WAS: speed question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560704060417l603a66a1peeeee6e5ffd4f522@mail.gmail.com> funny that it involves your program.... :) >So you have one set of speakers connected to one > client in the class which everyone hears. No, every client has speakers and the sound from all pretty much sync up. Sounds like a slight delay effect. One issue i noticed is that you can't multicast DVD. I could never get it to work on more than one terminal at a time. i guess you have to rip it first. Peter On 4/6/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 4/5/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 4/5/07, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > > as Terrell suggests you can't > > > > really have a whole lab all watching fullscreen video/sound > > > > (headphones) at the same time. > > > > > > multicasting with vlc can do it, not locally. you almost have to try > > > it to belive how well it works. it's freaky, the audio almost syncs up > > > in a lab of thin clients. you can start it with a custom vlcrc file > > > that will override local settings to use the video and audio output of > > > your choice. > > > > I'd love to try this! So you have one set of speakers connected to one > > client in the class which everyone hears. Any tips or details > > appreciated Peter. > > I found it Peter. It's your "whoohoo!" post from July 27th, 2006. I > should have looked in the k12ltsp archive first. I also have the same > thought as Les did. Since the vlc server AND the client are running on > the same box (k12ltsp) why does the multicast feature of your switch > help the broadcast since the server still has to shoot X over the > network? (scratches head) > > > > > I found this > > http://tldp.org/REF/VideoLAN-Quickstart/x536.html > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Apr 6 11:44:48 2007 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:44:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] nic change dhcp fails now Message-ID: <47004.172.28.8.55.1175859888.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello All, After changing a nic in one of our servers, ( went to a 1000mb nic)on eth0,now dhcp fails to start. I of course added this nic ( after removing in network-config, the original eth0), as eth0. Now dhcpd fails to start. I have looked through the dhcp-k12ltsp.conf file,everything /syntax looks correct. I looked in /etc/sysconfig/network/default/eth0 and that looks correct. The system messages gives error" You must list ddns-config" & "you have not declared a subnet declaration on eth0 or eth1" ( which I have seen in the past and dhcp still works) or something similar. I dont have access to this server right now. I have even copied/pasted a working dhcp-k12ltsp.conf file into this server as well. ( I have in the past edited the dhcp.conf ,and everything looks correct, but dhcp failed then too. Replacing the dhcp.conf fixed the dhcp statup problem. Dont know if it was whitespaces or what at that time. That has been many moons ago,though. I also done an rpm -ivh --force dhcp* and rpm -ivh --force dhcp-k12ltsp-conf* to reinstall the two dhcp rpm's for k12ltsp. K12LTSP v. 5.0 32bit Thanks, Barry Cisna From timlegge at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 12:14:42 2007 From: timlegge at gmail.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:14:42 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get sound on Dell GX1's using K12LTSP v 5 In-Reply-To: <269310.2411.qm@web90515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <269310.2411.qm@web90515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 4/4/07, Jim Anderson wrote: > > I've been trying to get sound without success. I have a room full of DellGX1 computers. According to > Dell's specs, and as confirmed with a Knoppix live CD, the sound chip is a > CS4236. I have changed my lts.conf to reflect this. here's the relevant > section: > I finally got the sound in a Dell with the CS4236 working by disabling the onboard sound and inserting a new $12.00 PCI sound card. After a number of hours I decided that it was no longer worth my time. The ALSA that Peter mentioned recognized the new card immediately and works great. While I welcome Dell's possible entrance into selling Linux, I really hope they contribute what ever is necessary to make their hardware work well... Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timlegge at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 12:23:29 2007 From: timlegge at gmail.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:23:29 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Onboard Network card not working? Message-ID: Hi This is a bizarre little trick that I have now seen work on two on board NICs so I thought I would pass it along. the most recent issue was a dell PC but I believe the other was an ASUS mother board. In both cases, the NIC was not working (no lights, no transmit or receive) and both had worked previously. The solution was to completely unplug all devices and power sources (including Ethernet cable) AND remove the battery from the motherboard. I waited several minutes for the board to discharge (the green light on the motherboard if it had one went out). I inserted the battery, rebooted, set the time and the NIC worked fine. It is a little strange but as I said, it has now fixed two PCs that I know of... Regards Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 15:22:55 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:22:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] nic change dhcp fails now In-Reply-To: <47004.172.28.8.55.1175859888.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <47004.172.28.8.55.1175859888.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <2be970b50704060822j4dda48e8gdae42f68a7a2ee9a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Barry, Just a shot in the dark but if you do ifconfig on eth0 and then compare it to the eth0 specification in /etc/iftab are they the same? If not they should be. John On 4/6/07, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > > Hello All, > > After changing a nic in one of our servers, ( went to a 1000mb nic)on > eth0,now dhcp fails to start. I of course added this nic ( after removing > in network-config, the original eth0), as eth0. Now dhcpd fails to start. > I have looked through the dhcp-k12ltsp.conf file,everything /syntax looks > correct. I looked in /etc/sysconfig/network/default/eth0 and that looks > correct. The system messages gives error" You must list ddns-config" & > "you have not declared a subnet declaration on eth0 or eth1" ( which I > have seen in the past and dhcp still works) or something similar. I dont > have access to this server right now. > I have even copied/pasted a working dhcp-k12ltsp.conf file into this > server as well. ( I have in the past edited the dhcp.conf ,and everything > looks correct, but dhcp failed then too. Replacing the dhcp.conf fixed the > dhcp statup problem. Dont know if it was whitespaces or what at that time. > That has been many moons ago,though. > I also done an rpm -ivh --force dhcp* and rpm -ivh --force > dhcp-k12ltsp-conf* to reinstall the two dhcp rpm's for k12ltsp. > > K12LTSP v. 5.0 32bit > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Apr 6 16:38:14 2007 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:38:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] nic change dhcp fails now Message-ID: <51810.172.28.8.55.1175877494.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hi john, I could not find /etc/iftab file? I did do as you suggested and done a ifconfig eth0 . its does show the correct mac address as listed in the system-network-config GUI. Not sure what to try next? Thanks, Barry Cisna From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 6 17:00:17 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:00:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Multicasting video using vlc server/client (WAS: speed question) In-Reply-To: <9bd317560704060402y223fd442m39165bf14c8ae40b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560704060402y223fd442m39165bf14c8ae40b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46167CA1.4020009@futuresource.com> Peter Hartmann wrote: >> why does the multicast feature of your switch >> help the broadcast since the server still has to shoot X over the >> network? (scratches head) > > I thought it was involved somehow but it's not. I learned that after the > post. > In that scenario it wouldn't be involved but it would syncronize the displays since they all see the same stream. I think this could work for an unlimited number of clients if vlc could run as a local app - and then you would be reading the stream over the network. However, places using the single nic approach and a routed network may have to do some extra work to make the routers handle multicast. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 6 17:12:38 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:12:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get sound on Dell GX1's using K12LTSP v 5 In-Reply-To: References: <269310.2411.qm@web90515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46167F86.8070401@futuresource.com> Timothy Legge wrote: > On 4/4/07, Jim Anderson wrote: >> >> I've been trying to get sound without success. I have a room full of >> DellGX1 computers. According to >> Dell's specs, and as confirmed with a Knoppix live CD, the sound chip >> is a >> CS4236. I have changed my lts.conf to reflect this. here's the relevant >> section: >> > > I finally got the sound in a Dell with the CS4236 working by disabling the > onboard sound and inserting a new $12.00 PCI sound card. After a number of > hours I decided that it was no longer worth my time. The ALSA that Peter > mentioned recognized the new card immediately and works great. > > While I welcome Dell's possible entrance into selling Linux, I really hope > they contribute what ever is necessary to make their hardware work well... Keep in mind that the GX1's are ancient. The only issue with the CS4236 is that it sits on the ISA bus on the motherboard so the PCI scan done by modern linux versions won't find the right settings. If you supply the module parameters it should still work. There is probably some pattern to the MAC address range on these boxes. Is there a way to do a setting in lts.conf that applies to a range instead of a specific address? And one great thing about Dell is that they make bios updates and other downloads available forever. The original GX1 bios had a problem with PXE booting, but you can still get the update to fix it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Apr 6 17:14:18 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:14:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nic change dhcp fails now In-Reply-To: <51810.172.28.8.55.1175877494.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <51810.172.28.8.55.1175877494.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <46167FEA.50902@cmosnetworks.com> That file doesn't seem to exist in Red Hat distros like K12LTSP. What I would do is take a look at /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0. What you're looking for is the MAC address. Then, from a shell prompt, issue "/sbin/ifconfig eth0" and compare the two. If they don't match, then modify ifcfg-eth0 to read the actual MAC address of eth0. You may also have to tweak ifcfg-eth1 in the same way. There's a GUI tool to check this, too. On my system (K12LTSP 4.2EL, the CentOS-based one), it's under System Settings / Network. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hi john, > > I could not find /etc/iftab file? I did do as you suggested and done a > ifconfig eth0 . its does show the correct mac address as listed in the > system-network-config GUI. Not sure what to try next? > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 17:28:25 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:28:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get sound on Dell GX1's using K12LTSP v 5 In-Reply-To: <46167F86.8070401@futuresource.com> References: <269310.2411.qm@web90515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46167F86.8070401@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560704061028h7bd7b16bo19883b9fb65ad653@mail.gmail.com> If you have any more you need to use try this: "cs4232 io=0x220 irq=7 dma=1" Peter On 4/6/07, Les Mikesell wrote: > Timothy Legge wrote: > > On 4/4/07, Jim Anderson wrote: > >> > >> I've been trying to get sound without success. I have a room full of > >> DellGX1 computers. According to > >> Dell's specs, and as confirmed with a Knoppix live CD, the sound chip > >> is a > >> CS4236. I have changed my lts.conf to reflect this. here's the relevant > >> section: > >> > > > > I finally got the sound in a Dell with the CS4236 working by disabling the > > onboard sound and inserting a new $12.00 PCI sound card. After a number of > > hours I decided that it was no longer worth my time. The ALSA that Peter > > mentioned recognized the new card immediately and works great. > > > > While I welcome Dell's possible entrance into selling Linux, I really hope > > they contribute what ever is necessary to make their hardware work well... > > Keep in mind that the GX1's are ancient. The only issue with the CS4236 > is that it sits on the ISA bus on the motherboard so the PCI scan done > by modern linux versions won't find the right settings. If you supply > the module parameters it should still work. There is probably some > pattern to the MAC address range on these boxes. Is there a way to do a > setting in lts.conf that applies to a range instead of a specific address? > > And one great thing about Dell is that they make bios updates and other > downloads available forever. The original GX1 bios had a problem with > PXE booting, but you can still get the update to fix it. > > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From timlegge at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 17:43:14 2007 From: timlegge at gmail.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:43:14 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get sound on Dell GX1's using K12LTSP v 5 In-Reply-To: <46167F86.8070401@futuresource.com> References: <269310.2411.qm@web90515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46167F86.8070401@futuresource.com> Message-ID: > Keep in mind that the GX1's are ancient. The only issue with the CS4236 > is that it sits on the ISA bus on the motherboard so the PCI scan done > by modern linux versions won't find the right settings. If you supply > the module parameters it should still work. There is probably some Yes, and that did work in older LTSP versions. However, even though the sound server started and alsa seemed to recognize the card it just would not work. I imagine given enough time and googling I would have found the answer but it comes down to time and money. I had more money than time... > the module parameters it should still work. There is probably some > pattern to the MAC address range on these boxes. Is there a way to do a > setting in lts.conf that applies to a range instead of a specific address? I believe so, but you would need to read the LTSP docs... > And one great thing about Dell is that they make bios updates and other > downloads available forever. The original GX1 bios had a problem with > PXE booting, but you can still get the update to fix it. That is true, and I was able to take advantage of that as well. But one of the things that I dislike about the older (and maybe newer) dells is that the BIOS is mostly informational. In order to access any of the deeper things I forget what they are at the moment) it requires a dos floppy and a floppy from Dell. That is fine, but finding the floppy that you made last time is an annoyance... Tim From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 17:48:40 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:48:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <20070406020958.M9977@winonacotter.org> References: <4892876105032412521efb8fad@mail.gmail.com> <004201c530bc$39deba10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <9bd317560704051112l45d680e8lbd8093535317aa14@mail.gmail.com> <20070406020958.M9977@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560704061048i3f5c35a1g4b883b6f241f5e6f@mail.gmail.com> Funny you should mention advproxy. :) I just used it in conjunction with 'urlfilter' for a school's firewall. I found that advproxy has a lot of authentication options but passing those on to urlfilter(squidguard) didn't seem possible with the gui. i think this might be job for the squid mailing list. I just can't believe it's not possible. looks like this guy was allowing/disallowing and filtering/not-filtering based on nt group: http://www.squid-cache.org/mail-archive/squid-users/200306/0686.html that's just a step away from what I need. Peter On 4/5/07, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:12:04 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote > > Hey Jim, > > did you ever find a solution that met all your requirements? > > specifically I'm wondering if you found something that would use > > different filtering rules based on user/group (not just > > filter/not-filter). > > Very funny that you ask this question, I was actually revisiting this today as a matter > of fact :-) I never found the solution I was looking for before, but today I found the > following: > > http://www.advproxy.net/ > > It looks like it will do exactly what I was looking for. I may try and implement it > over the summer, a little late in the year to try it now. > > If you give it a try post your results back to the list. > > Jim > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From netman1 at optonline.net Fri Apr 6 21:26:43 2007 From: netman1 at optonline.net (Jim Anderson) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:26:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get sound on Dell GX1's using K12LTSP v 5 In-Reply-To: References: <269310.2411.qm@web90515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46167F86.8070401@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1175894803.7326.16.camel@penguin.anderson.local> I'll be returning to my problem GX1s on Wednesday. Thanks to all who've responded. It seems like some configuration of the CS4232 driver seems to be indicated. Anyone know why I received the "/dev/dsp folder not found" error message? There is no /dev/dsp directory off the main root, but there is an /opt/ltsp/i386/dev/dsp folder. The original CS4236 driver did seem to be loading and gave a folder not found error while looking for dsp. Jim Anderson Cornerstone Residence Safe Harbors of the Hudson On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 14:43 -0300, Timothy Legge wrote: > > Keep in mind that the GX1's are ancient. The only issue with the CS4236 > > is that it sits on the ISA bus on the motherboard so the PCI scan done > > by modern linux versions won't find the right settings. If you supply > > the module parameters it should still work. There is probably some > > Yes, and that did work in older LTSP versions. However, even though > the sound server started and alsa seemed to recognize the card it just > would not work. I imagine given enough time and googling I would have > found the answer but it comes down to time and money. I had more > money than time... > > > the module parameters it should still work. There is probably some > > pattern to the MAC address range on these boxes. Is there a way to do a > > setting in lts.conf that applies to a range instead of a specific address? > > I believe so, but you would need to read the LTSP docs... > > > And one great thing about Dell is that they make bios updates and other > > downloads available forever. The original GX1 bios had a problem with > > PXE booting, but you can still get the update to fix it. > > That is true, and I was able to take advantage of that as well. But > one of the things that I dislike about the older (and maybe newer) > dells is that the BIOS is mostly informational. In order to access > any of the deeper things I forget what they are at the moment) it > requires a dos floppy and a floppy from Dell. > > That is fine, but finding the floppy that you made last time is an annoyance... > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rowens at ptd.net Fri Apr 6 21:34:01 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:34:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Onboard Network card not working? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070406213401.GA24082@clubber.owens.net> Sometimes you can get the board to discharge quickly by pressing the power button after the power cable is removed. -Rob On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 09:23:29AM -0300, Timothy Legge wrote: > Hi > > This is a bizarre little trick that I have now seen work on two on board > NICs so I thought I would pass it along. the most recent issue was a dell > PC but I believe the other was an ASUS mother board. > > In both cases, the NIC was not working (no lights, no transmit or receive) > and both had worked previously. > > The solution was to completely unplug all devices and power sources > (including Ethernet cable) AND remove the battery from the motherboard. I > waited several minutes for the board to discharge (the green light on the > motherboard if it had one went out). I inserted the battery, rebooted, set > the time and the NIC worked fine. > > It is a little strange but as I said, it has now fixed two PCs that I know > of... > > Regards > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 22:26:27 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:26:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] need help scaling LTSP: setting up Winbind and LDAP In-Reply-To: <2be970b50704051919u579f88c9p66ec99579acf8b98@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50704051420s5ba4f771o1c0d90d964beece@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50704051919u579f88c9p66ec99579acf8b98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50704061526s25819323t72fcadab4be82f3@mail.gmail.com> Ok, After some further research it looks do-able. I am looking at two ways to standardize RID?UID/GID mapping either via IDMAP_RID or IDMAP Storage in LDAP. Anyone else doing using either of these approaches? How are other folks scaling? Here's the documents I am working from right now: http://thelazyadmin.com/files/Linux_Ad_Authentication_Using_Winbind.pdf http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/idmapper.html#id339794 On 4/5/07, john wrote: > > > Hi Steven thanks for your interest. > > On 4/5/07, Steven Santos wrote: > > > > > > Lots of ways to go with this question. Lets start by gathering more info; > > > > Can you tell us more about the current computing enviornment on campus? > > - How many, and of what type (mac, win, unix, other) are the computers you have? > > We run a mix of WinSP clients, Mac OSX clients, and ltsp based thin clients. > > > > > > > > - Do you have a managed or unmanaged network? Can you do vLANS? > > I am not sure what you mean by a managed network, you'll have to enlighten me. We do have managed switches and routers. We do make extensive use of VLANS and in fact that's how I push the LTSP environment from building to building. > > > > > > > > - Do you currently spread your servers out, or are they centralized? > > Our AD based infrastructure is centralized and our LTSP based servers are local to each school. > > > > > > > > Can you tell us more about where your planning to go? > > - Do you plan a mass migration to an all or mostly linux enviornment? > > > > > We're looking toward a time when Linux based thin clients are in the majority for students, with the only remaining Windows or OSX based clients handling special duties like heavy duty graphics rendering (Illustrator, Studio 4d, etc) > > > > > > > > - Are you planning on having multi-media (Mac/Lin/Win fat clients?) > > The multimedia stuff will most likely be handled by dedicated fat clients. > > Thanks. I look forward to hearing your ideas. > > As I get farther into the SAMBA documentation it seems like I might be looking at at least two possible solutions: > > IDMAP_RID with Winbind > IDMAP Storage in LDAP Using Winbind > > which I found explained by John H. Terpstra here: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/idmapper.html > > Boy to I feel in over my head! > > John > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Steven Santos > > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > > Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > > Newton, MA 02462 > > Phone: 617-527-0667 > > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of john > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:20 PM > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > Subject: [K12OSN] need help scaling LTSP: setting up Winbind and LDAP > > > > Hi all, > > > > I really need advice on scaling our LTSP installation. I hope you'll bear with me as I ask this rather lengthy question. Your advice and comments will be invaluable to me! > > > > Here's some background: > > > > I've installed three LTSP test servers, at three different schools in our district. These schools are all located on a square mile campus and connected via a multi-mode fiber back-haul. Together the LTSP servers support 30 thin clients, which are available to the 1600 kids across our small school district. The response has been very positive. I've been given the go-ahead to scale the project up, replacing as many as 20or 30 additional aging fat clients per school. > > > > Our authentication is provided via Active Directory on Windows 2003 and currently we provide storage for students on a windows based file-server. My intention is to keep student account management on AD since we'll continue to support a certain segment of windows fat clients which need to authenticate to AD. Because we use group policies to manage our windows clients, it doesn't' seem feasible to create a new student domain on a linux box running samba. > > > > My goal is to move our students away from windows based file storage completely and to centralize the winbind.tdb so that it can handle linux to windows uid/gid mapping for all students in the district. I think these goals go hand in hand, since its my understanding that multiple linux file servers, require a single winbind database in order to keep the uid/gid mapping consistent. > > > > I am pretty sure that I want to do this by storing my winbind user/pass data on a central ldap server since I see that winbind/SAMBA can use a LDAP backend. I am trying to figure out where and how to start thinking about this. I am not even sure if this is incredibly complex or really straight-forward. > > > > > > 1) Has anyone on this list done something similar > > > > 2) If so how successfully? Using what resources etc? > > > > 3) I DO need to migrate the current windows directory tree holding student work to a new linux file server. Perhaps it would be as easy as using xcopy or robocopy? But how would I automagically make my linux/samba users own the contents of their migrated directories? > > > > 4) I've seen http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LDAP > > http://www.majen.net/smbldap/ and http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ > > am I on the right track? > > > > Many thanks in advance. I await your replies with bated breath! > > > > John > > > > > > > > From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 7 02:20:15 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:20:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get sound on Dell GX1's using K12LTSP v 5 In-Reply-To: <1175894803.7326.16.camel@penguin.anderson.local> References: <269310.2411.qm@web90515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46167F86.8070401@futuresource.com> <1175894803.7326.16.camel@penguin.anderson.local> Message-ID: <4616FFDF.8090004@futuresource.com> Jim Anderson wrote: > I'll be returning to my problem GX1s on Wednesday. Thanks to all who've > responded. It seems like some configuration of the CS4232 driver seems > to be indicated. > > Anyone know why I received the "/dev/dsp folder not found" error > message? There is no /dev/dsp directory off the main root, but there is > an /opt/ltsp/i386/dev/dsp folder. The original CS4236 driver did seem > to be loading and gave a folder not found error while looking for dsp. I don't think it gets created at boot time if a sound device is not detected - and since the ISA bus isn't probed, the device won't be found unless you supply the correct options to the module. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 7 05:20:30 2007 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:20:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get sound on Dell GX1's using K12LTSP v 5 In-Reply-To: <4616FFDF.8090004@futuresource.com> References: <269310.2411.qm@web90515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46167F86.8070401@futuresource.com> <1175894803.7326.16.camel@penguin.anderson.local> <4616FFDF.8090004@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <46172A1E.5070201@earthlink.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > Jim Anderson wrote: >> I'll be returning to my problem GX1s on Wednesday. Thanks to all who've >> responded. It seems like some configuration of the CS4232 driver seems >> to be indicated. >> >> Anyone know why I received the "/dev/dsp folder not found" error >> message? There is no /dev/dsp directory off the main root, but there is >> an /opt/ltsp/i386/dev/dsp folder. The original CS4236 driver did seem >> to be loading and gave a folder not found error while looking for dsp. > > I don't think it gets created at boot time if a sound device is not > detected - and since the ISA bus isn't probed, the device won't be > found unless you supply the correct options to the module. > I don't know whether or not you specified the sound module settings in the lts.conf file, but I have at least 50 of the GX1's in our building working with sound and if you use this setting it might work. I have some terminals that auto configure, but most of my equipment is so old, it has to be specified in the lts.conf file: This is the sound configuration for the default lts.conf settings at the beginning of the file: # enable sound by default SOUND = Y # choose either esd or nasd to be the default # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" # default sound volume VOLUME = 100 ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" Then I have to specify the sound module for each GX1 because it cannot auto configure like the newer machines: #GX1 -- [00:c0:4f:37:3d:b3] USE_NFS_SWAP=Y SWAP_SERVER=192.168.0.254 SMODULE_01="cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" Hope this helps. Rita Gibson RMSELTech From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Apr 7 05:20:52 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:20:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] nic change dhcp fails now :Solved Message-ID: <44206.192.168.254.3.1175923252.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, I finaly figured out why dhcp was failing to start after changing the eth0 nic card.( from 10/100 to 1000mb). I had used Webmin to select eth0 as the card to run dhcp on. After lots of head scratching,i found it was in fact the /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd.txt file was altered. Webmin had changed the stock 'DHCPARGS=" -cf /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf"' to DHCPARGS= eth0. BTW: in the system log i was getting error" you need to set ddns-update-style in your dhcp.conf file". So if you ever run into this ..remeber you seen it here:)... Take care, Barry Cisna From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 05:38:39 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:38:39 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Google Apps free for Schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06/04/07, Rich McCue wrote: > Integration with existing infrastructure and organizational policy > > > Does it integrate with LDAP? Yes. Can use @uvic.ca for google and non > google accounts. How do you use google with ldap? From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 05:50:38 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:50:38 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Listens to the Users I guess In-Reply-To: <200704021227.58648.yorick@xtra.co.nz> References: <460C4FBB.5090508@paasda.org> <200704021227.58648.yorick@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: On 02/04/07, Graham wrote: > On Sunday 01 April 2007 07:11, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > How do you get the sound working in Impress? I wanted to use it but > > there was something about a java applet needed... Does the sound work > > over ltsp? > > The sound works fine in windows. > > To get sound working in Impress you need JRE (Java Runtime Environment) > installed. Some distributions don't install JRE by default, Windows comes > with it already installed. > > You can check by going tools>options>openoffice.org>java to see if a JRE is > installed. If it's blank you can go to www.java.com and download it > > Cheers > GL > > > > -- > "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" > http://why.openoffice.org > ISO 26300 compliant > > Graham Lauder, > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > INGOTs Assessor Trainer > (International Grades in Office Technologies) > www.theingots.org.nz > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > JRE is installed but it needs JMF to run the multimedia. I tried installing it but got errors. Not sure what to do now. I am using K12LTSP 6 (Fedora 6) These are my errors. [root at k12ltsp1 install]# sh ./jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin JavaTM Media Framework (JMF) 2.1.x Binary Code License Agreement ... Do you agree to the above license terms? [yes or no] yes Permit recording from an applet? (see readme.html) [yes or no] yes Permit writing local files from an applet? (recommend no, see readme.html) [yes or no] yes Unpacking... tail: cannot open `+309' for reading: No such file or directory Extracting... ./install.sfx.11154: line 1: ==: No such file or directory ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `)' ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: `5???3??n?N?_?^????[UQU599??;????r????_????KK)C{<>???< References: <460C4FBB.5090508@paasda.org> <200704021227.58648.yorick@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <4219988b0704070104va3b11a1mfbd24f28b9fa250e@mail.gmail.com> i had this issue too :-( you need to have the right "tail" version i don't remember which one, but i used http://rpm.pbone.net/ to find the latest for RedHat 4 (not fedora!) . i downloaded it . opened the rpm and got the "tail" app and placed it inside the jre's install folder. and started the jre install again. now it should work. good luck :-) On 4/7/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > On 02/04/07, Graham wrote: > > On Sunday 01 April 2007 07:11, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > How do you get the sound working in Impress? I wanted to use it but > > > there was something about a java applet needed... Does the sound work > > > over ltsp? > > > The sound works fine in windows. > > > > To get sound working in Impress you need JRE (Java Runtime Environment) > > installed. Some distributions don't install JRE by default, Windows > comes > > with it already installed. > > > > You can check by going tools>options>openoffice.org>java to see if a JRE > is > > installed. If it's blank you can go to www.java.com and download it > > > > Cheers > > GL > > > > > > > > -- > > "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" > > http://why.openoffice.org > > ISO 26300 compliant > > > > Graham Lauder, > > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > > > INGOTs Assessor Trainer > > (International Grades in Office Technologies) > > www.theingots.org.nz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > JRE is installed but it needs JMF to run the multimedia. I tried > installing it but got errors. Not sure what to do now. I am using > K12LTSP 6 (Fedora 6) > These are my errors. > > [root at k12ltsp1 install]# sh ./jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin > > JavaTM Media Framework (JMF) 2.1.x > Binary Code License Agreement > ... > Do you agree to the above license terms? [yes or no] > yes > > Permit recording from an applet? (see readme.html) [yes or no] > yes > > Permit writing local files from an applet? (recommend no, see > readme.html) [yes or no] > yes > Unpacking... > tail: cannot open `+309' for reading: No such file or directory > Extracting... > ./install.sfx.11154: line 1: ==: No such file or directory > ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `)' > ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: > > `5???3??n?N?_?^????[UQU599??;????r????_????KK)C{<>???< 88?$??????,????i?????V~?mn.?7w^???,?; M??`? ?A$D????? @ > ??wA' > [root at k12ltsp1 install]# > > When I try to run the install again it just exits immediately. > Can anyone help? (I can show the strace output for anyone who is > interested.) > We are planning to do slideshows this term and sound is considered > essential by the principal. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nadavkav at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 08:08:30 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:08:30 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Listens to the Users I guess In-Reply-To: References: <460C4FBB.5090508@paasda.org> <200704021227.58648.yorick@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <4219988b0704070108g2d53c674x8e0844b23bc6cca7@mail.gmail.com> and some links from my jmf install,too. 1. download and install jmf. (as discribed in: http://www.luniks.net/luniksnet/html/java/jtvd/doc/jmf.html and http://www.ess.sunysb.edu/mzingale/OOo_movies/ ) 2. fc6 fix/patch : http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=561161&messageID=2761833 enjoy :-) On 4/7/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > On 02/04/07, Graham wrote: > > On Sunday 01 April 2007 07:11, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > How do you get the sound working in Impress? I wanted to use it but > > > there was something about a java applet needed... Does the sound work > > > over ltsp? > > > The sound works fine in windows. > > > > To get sound working in Impress you need JRE (Java Runtime Environment) > > installed. Some distributions don't install JRE by default, Windows > comes > > with it already installed. > > > > You can check by going tools>options>openoffice.org>java to see if a JRE > is > > installed. If it's blank you can go to www.java.com and download it > > > > Cheers > > GL > > > > > > > > -- > > "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" > > http://why.openoffice.org > > ISO 26300 compliant > > > > Graham Lauder, > > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > > > INGOTs Assessor Trainer > > (International Grades in Office Technologies) > > www.theingots.org.nz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > JRE is installed but it needs JMF to run the multimedia. I tried > installing it but got errors. Not sure what to do now. I am using > K12LTSP 6 (Fedora 6) > These are my errors. > > [root at k12ltsp1 install]# sh ./jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin > > JavaTM Media Framework (JMF) 2.1.x > Binary Code License Agreement > ... > Do you agree to the above license terms? [yes or no] > yes > > Permit recording from an applet? (see readme.html) [yes or no] > yes > > Permit writing local files from an applet? (recommend no, see > readme.html) [yes or no] > yes > Unpacking... > tail: cannot open `+309' for reading: No such file or directory > Extracting... > ./install.sfx.11154: line 1: ==: No such file or directory > ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `)' > ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: > > `5???3??n?N?_?^????[UQU599??;????r????_????KK)C{<>???< 88?$??????,????i?????V~?mn.?7w^???,?; M??`? ?A$D????? @ > ??wA' > [root at k12ltsp1 install]# > > When I try to run the install again it just exits immediately. > Can anyone help? (I can show the strace output for anyone who is > interested.) > We are planning to do slideshows this term and sound is considered > essential by the principal. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nadavkav at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 08:27:14 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:27:14 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Zoomed Printing In-Reply-To: References: <4610FDFC.507@peopleplaces.org> <46111CFD.8010204@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <4219988b0704070127p260bfb57ieae3aa052fea85d1@mail.gmail.com> here is what i do to have all the users have the same Firefox preferences - setting pref for all users from a single firefox.cfg file ( http://mit.edu/~firefox/www/maintainers/autoconfig.html) (check out section "2 edit all.js" ) and also, a good reading... - manipulate the user.js in main profile folder. (more info: http://www.mozilla.org/catalog/end-user/customizing/briefprefs.html ) On 4/5/07, David Hopkins wrote: > > > > On 4/2/07, Michael Blinn wrote: > > > > > > These settings are defined in prefs.js - How can I populate prefs.js to > > /etc/skel ? It resides normally in > > ~user/.mozilla/firefox/{PROFILE_NAME}, which is a Mozilla-generated > > field. Any ideas? > > > > > On way is to have the script loop over all the subdirectories of > ~user/.mozilla/firefox and push the prefs.js to every one of them. This > is similar to how the push_icons script used to loop over all the > directories in /home (I think it queries for lists of users now instead?) > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sat Apr 7 15:45:08 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:45:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: reply to k12OSN:pushing icons out to desktops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4617BC84.3070203@scheie.homedns.org> Ah, I think I see the problem. The push-icons-to-users-desktops script gets the list of users by parsing /etc/passwd (line 41 in the script); but in your case, your /etc/passwd doesn't contain any user info because that's all stored in the Windows AD. Fortunately, it sounds like you can get a list of all your users by just looking at all the directories in /home/domain, right? Assuming so, try making two modifications: First, comment out line 41 and replace it with this: for i in $(ls /home/domain/) Second, add this line after the 'do' command on line 42 U=/home/domain/${i} So, the end result should look like this: ... # find all of the subdirectories under /home ## getent passwd | cut -d: -f6 | while read U for i in $(ls /home/domain/) do U=/home/domain/${i} # copy new-style Desktop if [ -d "$U"/Desktop/ ]; then ... and so on. Try this and let us know what happens. Petre Karen Bailey wrote: > Petre, > > The home directory is on the k12ltsp server. It is under in a folder > under home with the domain name. ie. /home/domain/users home directories. > Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Karen Bailey > > Does the user's home directory live on the k12ltsp server or on the > Windows server? > > Petre > > Karen Bailey wrote: > > We are using samba, kerberos and winbind with k12ltsp 6.0 to authenticate > to a Windows 2003 active directory server. When setting this up one of > the steps is to create a folder in the home directory with the name of the > domain. The process works well for authentication but now I can't use the > push icons out to desktops script because it only puts the icons in the > home directory. I have tried to edit the scripts path pointing to the > domain folder but I have been unsuccessful. Has anyone had a problem like > this and if so how do you get around it? > > Karen M. Bailey > Software Support Specialist > Merrimack Valley School District > kbailey mv k12 nh us > > Karen M. Bailey > Software Support Specialist > Merrimack Valley School District > kbailey at mv.k12.nh.us > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 03:14:11 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 15:14:11 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Listens to the Users I guess In-Reply-To: <4219988b0704070104va3b11a1mfbd24f28b9fa250e@mail.gmail.com> References: <460C4FBB.5090508@paasda.org> <200704021227.58648.yorick@xtra.co.nz> <4219988b0704070104va3b11a1mfbd24f28b9fa250e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry I am a bit lost. What am I supposed to search for on pbone? On 07/04/07, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > i had this issue too :-( > > you need to have the right "tail" version > > i don't remember which one, but i used http://rpm.pbone.net/ to find the > latest > for RedHat 4 (not fedora!) . i downloaded it . opened the rpm and got the > "tail" app > and placed it inside the jre's install folder. and started the jre install > again. > now it should work. > > good luck :-) > > > > On 4/7/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > On 02/04/07, Graham < yorick at xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > > On Sunday 01 April 2007 07:11, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > > How do you get the sound working in Impress? I wanted to use it but > > > > there was something about a java applet needed... Does the sound work > > > > over ltsp? > > > > The sound works fine in windows. > > > > > > To get sound working in Impress you need JRE (Java Runtime Environment) > > > installed. Some distributions don't install JRE by default, Windows > comes > > > with it already installed. > > > > > > You can check by going tools>options>openoffice.org>java to see if a JRE > is > > > installed. If it's blank you can go to www.java.com and download it > > > > > > Cheers > > > GL > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" > > > http://why.openoffice.org > > > ISO 26300 compliant > > > > > > Graham Lauder, > > > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > > > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > > > > > INGOTs Assessor Trainer > > > (International Grades in Office Technologies) > > > www.theingots.org.nz > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > JRE is installed but it needs JMF to run the multimedia. I tried > > installing it but got errors. Not sure what to do now. I am using > > K12LTSP 6 (Fedora 6) > > These are my errors. > > > > [root at k12ltsp1 install]# sh ./jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin > > > > JavaTM Media Framework (JMF) 2.1.x > > Binary Code License Agreement > > ... > > Do you agree to the above license terms? [yes or no] > > yes > > > > Permit recording from an applet? (see readme.html) [yes or no] > > yes > > > > Permit writing local files from an applet? (recommend no, see > > readme.html) [yes or no] > > yes > > Unpacking... > > tail: cannot open `+309' for reading: No such file or directory > > Extracting... > > ./install.sfx.11154: line 1: ==: No such file or directory > > ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `)' > > ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: > > > `5???3??n?N?_?^????[UQU599??;????r????_????KK)C{<>???< > > 88?$??????,????i?????V~?mn.?7w^???,?; M??`? ?A$D????? > @ > > ??wA' > > [root at k12ltsp1 install]# > > > > When I try to run the install again it just exits immediately. > > Can anyone help? (I can show the strace output for anyone who is > interested.) > > We are planning to do slideshows this term and sound is considered > > essential by the principal. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vince at totalsense.com Sun Apr 8 16:51:01 2007 From: vince at totalsense.com (Vince Callaway) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:51:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linuxfest Northwest Message-ID: <1176051061.3832.8.camel@dbserver> Is anyone on this list going to be at this event? http://linuxfestnorthwest.org From robark at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 20:28:10 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 13:28:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linuxfest Northwest In-Reply-To: <1176051061.3832.8.camel@dbserver> References: <1176051061.3832.8.camel@dbserver> Message-ID: On 4/8/07, Vince Callaway wrote: > Is anyone on this list going to be at this event? > > http://linuxfestnorthwest.org Yes, I am intending on coming Vince. Anyone contact you about doing a K12LTSP or LTSP presentation? -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Apr 9 00:40:05 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:40:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Qemu, VMwareserver with K12LTSP Message-ID: <55499.192.168.254.3.1176079205.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Just wondering if anyone on the list is using either Qemu and or VMWareserver on top of K12LTSP to run winders 2003 server? If so was wondering how performance is in " the real world" of using it? Ive installed Qemu and VMWareserver with XP guest and FC5 as host on a couple of laptops and a couple workstations to test the waters. It seems VMWareserver has a little better performance overall. But Qemu " just works" so easy . I did install the kmod-kqemu accelerator too.Sound, usb, etc works v ery decent. CDrom drives is another thing,though. The bootup times are almost 2.5 mins. These machines were nothing to brag about though. I was thinking of possibly doing this for " the real thing " maybe next school year if someone gives the thumbs up on already having used one of these. I'm sure you'd never get the performance as runnning the OS on a real/seperate server. The upside is after you get your image made ,just make a copy of it somewere on the server,and if say the registry gets hosed,(remember this is winders),dump your running image and copy your saved IMG into place and you are up and going again! The images I wound up with all the MS goodies wound up being only around 1.5 GB's. Would you need ram sticks in the server, stacked up to the ceiling to make this a viable option Anyone have any thoughts? From daengbo at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 00:55:18 2007 From: daengbo at gmail.com (Daniel Bodanske) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:55:18 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] Qemu, VMwareserver with K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <55499.192.168.254.3.1176079205.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <55499.192.168.254.3.1176079205.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: Take a look at VirtualBox. Easy to install. Easy to manage, both from the GUI and the command line. Scripting is not really a problem either. I started using it a month ago and am very happy with the ease and speed. Dan On 4/9/07, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello All, > > Just wondering if anyone on the list is using either Qemu and or > VMWareserver on top of K12LTSP to run winders 2003 server? If so was > wondering how performance is in " the real world" of using it? Ive > installed Qemu and VMWareserver with XP guest and FC5 as host on a couple > of laptops and a couple workstations to test the waters. It seems > VMWareserver has a little better performance overall. But Qemu " just > works" so easy . I did install the kmod-kqemu accelerator too.Sound, usb, > etc works v ery decent. CDrom drives is another thing,though. The bootup > times are almost 2.5 mins. These machines were nothing to brag about > though. I was thinking of possibly doing this for " the real thing " > maybe next school year if someone gives the thumbs up on already having > used one of these. I'm sure you'd never get the performance as runnning > the OS on a real/seperate server. The upside is after you get your image > made ,just make a copy of it somewere on the server,and if say the > registry gets hosed,(remember this is winders),dump your running image > and copy your saved IMG into place and you are up and going again! The > images I wound up with all the MS goodies wound up being only around 1.5 > GB's. > Would you need ram sticks in the server, stacked up to the ceiling to make > this a viable option > Anyone have any thoughts? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vince at totalsense.com Mon Apr 9 03:27:38 2007 From: vince at totalsense.com (Vince Callaway) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:27:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linuxfest Northwest In-Reply-To: References: <1176051061.3832.8.camel@dbserver> Message-ID: <1176089258.9138.7.camel@dbserver> On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 13:28 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Yes, I am intending on coming Vince. Anyone contact you about doing a > K12LTSP or LTSP presentation? > Not sure if I would be any good at putting on a presentation. I've not done one before. I use LTSP in a business environment. My clients are trucking companies. I only have a few installations, but they are working very well. From robark at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 04:38:01 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 21:38:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linuxfest Northwest In-Reply-To: <1176089258.9138.7.camel@dbserver> References: <1176051061.3832.8.camel@dbserver> <1176089258.9138.7.camel@dbserver> Message-ID: On 4/8/07, Vince Callaway wrote: > On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 13:28 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Yes, I am intending on coming Vince. Anyone contact you about doing a > > K12LTSP or LTSP presentation? > > > > Not sure if I would be any good at putting on a presentation. I've not > done one before. > > I use LTSP in a business environment. My clients are trucking > companies. I only have a few installations, but they are working very > well. > My sincere apologies Vince. In a moment of sleep deprivation I got you confused with a coordinator of Linuxfest NW. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Apr 9 13:13:59 2007 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:13:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Qemu, VMwareserver with K12LTSP Message-ID: <54383.172.28.8.55.1176124439.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hi Dan, Could you give some details on the specs of the server you are running Virtulabox on? Also how many concurrent users are connected and what " the feel is", as far as responsiveness? I m sure if I'd try this and it does not seem as snappy as a 3.0 ghz processor local machine everyone will complain to no end:).. You know how it goes. Have you gotten negative/postive responses from users on this setup? Usually you never hear any "positives" until it goes south,,then you hear all kinda negatives pronto!,,:) We have 150 term server licenses so we would be legal in this department. I would be setting 2003 server as guest on one, or two, the k12ltsp servers here. I'll have a look at Virtualbox for sure.I m sure they have rolled features of VMWareserver and Qemu into their own code,and then some ,probably. Both VMWareserver and Qemu do seem easy to setup,and get working as well. Qemu being all commandline driven but has good documentation to get up and running.I think maybe someone has even come up with a GUI to Qemu real recently also. Thanks, Barry Cisna westcentral school From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Mon Apr 9 13:04:07 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:04:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] gconf-editor or gconftool-2 Message-ID: <461A39C7.1030001@peopleplaces.org> I'd like to prevent the gnome-power-manager from starting when my users log in. What is the best way to do this? I've tried using gconf-editor (file->new default, then apps->gnome_settings_daemon->power_manager->start_power_manager=0) but it keeps popping up on login - Is these the proper way or am I doing something incorrectly? Cheers, Michael From peter at scheie.homedns.org Mon Apr 9 13:46:38 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 08:46:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gconf-editor or gconftool-2 In-Reply-To: <461A39C7.1030001@peopleplaces.org> References: <461A39C7.1030001@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <461A43BE.50003@scheie.homedns.org> I ran into this problem, too. Ultimately, I ended up just removing the gnome-power-manager package (rpm -e gnome-power-manager). Petre Michael Blinn wrote: > I'd like to prevent the gnome-power-manager from starting when my users > log in. What is the best way to do this? I've tried using gconf-editor > (file->new default, then > apps->gnome_settings_daemon->power_manager->start_power_manager=0) but > it keeps popping up on login - Is these the proper way or am I doing > something incorrectly? > Cheers, > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Mon Apr 9 15:04:18 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:04:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE AutoLogin Message-ID: <200704091004.18910.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Hey Y'all, I tried to do the autologin for KDE and it didn't work. Here's what I did: K12LTSP 6.0 package user: catalog password: went to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf added: host catalog { hardware ehternet 00:02:2A:BF:FA:27; fixed-address 192.168.0.20; } went to /etc/hosts and changed: 192.168.0.20 catalog.ltsp catalog went to /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp and added at the bottom: [X-catalog:0-Core] AutoLoginEnable=true AutoLoginUser=catalog AutoLoginPass= AutoLoginSession=kde rebooted server and then rebooted client pc and the client pc does not auto login. I know the dhcpd part is working because i can "ping catalog" and get a response back wit the correct IP address. Is there something that I'm missing? Thanks, Ray From peter at scheie.homedns.org Mon Apr 9 15:10:11 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:10:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE AutoLogin In-Reply-To: <200704091004.18910.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200704091004.18910.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <461A5753.5030009@scheie.homedns.org> You mis-typed the word 'ethernet' in your dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf entry. Petre Ray Garza wrote: > Hey Y'all, > > I tried to do the autologin for KDE and it didn't work. Here's what I did: > > K12LTSP 6.0 package > user: catalog > password: > > went to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf added: > > host catalog { > hardware ehternet 00:02:2A:BF:FA:27; > fixed-address 192.168.0.20; > } > > went to /etc/hosts and changed: > 192.168.0.20 catalog.ltsp catalog > > went to /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp and added at the bottom: > [X-catalog:0-Core] > AutoLoginEnable=true > AutoLoginUser=catalog > AutoLoginPass= > AutoLoginSession=kde > > rebooted server and then rebooted client pc and the client pc does not auto > login. I know the dhcpd part is working because i can "ping catalog" and get > a response back wit the correct IP address. > > Is there something that I'm missing? > > Thanks, > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From swift at msad52.org Mon Apr 9 15:05:52 2007 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:05:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] eduduntu and samba/ldap PDC Message-ID: I have edubuntu on an ibook and it is authenticating to my samba/ldap PDC (feora 5). I thought it was also mounting the home directory but it was only creating a local home. I think when I first setup my PDC and ran the installer script I answered no to the question about Linux needing to mount homes. Can I rerun the script or can I edit the smb.conf file to get these ibooks (edubuntu 6.10) to mount the home directory? If I can just edit some files which ones do I change? My PDC is in production and I am leary of rerunning the script. Thoughts? Thanks. Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Mon Apr 9 15:25:13 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:25:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE AutoLogin In-Reply-To: <461A5753.5030009@scheie.homedns.org> References: <200704091004.18910.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <461A5753.5030009@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <200704091025.13756.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Sorry about that, I didn't copy and paste, I just retyped it in while looking at it on the terminal screen. I rechecked the config file to make sure and yes it is spelled correctly in it. Ray On Monday 09 April 2007 10:10, Peter Scheie wrote: > You mis-typed the word 'ethernet' in your dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf entry. > > Petre > > Ray Garza wrote: > > Hey Y'all, > > > > I tried to do the autologin for KDE and it didn't work. Here's what I > > did: > > > > K12LTSP 6.0 package > > user: catalog > > password: > > > > went to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf added: > > > > host catalog { > > hardware ehternet 00:02:2A:BF:FA:27; > > fixed-address 192.168.0.20; > > } > > > > went to /etc/hosts and changed: > > 192.168.0.20 catalog.ltsp catalog > > > > went to /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp and added at the bottom: > > [X-catalog:0-Core] > > AutoLoginEnable=true > > AutoLoginUser=catalog > > AutoLoginPass= > > AutoLoginSession=kde > > > > rebooted server and then rebooted client pc and the client pc does not > > auto login. I know the dhcpd part is working because i can "ping catalog" > > and get a response back wit the correct IP address. > > > > Is there something that I'm missing? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From moquist at majen.net Mon Apr 9 16:54:09 2007 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:54:09 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [K12OSN] eduduntu and samba/ldap PDC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070409165409.GA28692@majen.net> Hi Randy, No, you definitely don't want to rerun the smbldap-installer. You just need to edit /etc/exports on your server and specify that the iBook's IP address can mount /home, and you need to edit /etc/fstab on the iBook and tell it to mount /home from the Samba/LDAP server. The formats of these files are documented all over the Internet and in man pages. :) ('man fstab' and 'man exports') You'll probably need to install nfs-common and portmap on the iBook, and maybe an NFS server on the Samba/LDAP system. --matt > I have edubuntu on an ibook and it is authenticating to my samba/ldap PDC > (feora 5). I thought it was also mounting the home directory but it was > only creating a local home. I think when I first setup my PDC and ran the > installer script I answered no to the question about Linux needing to > mount homes. Can I rerun the script or can I edit the smb.conf file to get > these ibooks (edubuntu 6.10) to mount the home directory? If I can just > edit some files which ones do I change? My PDC is in production and I am > leary of rerunning the script. Thoughts? Thanks. > > Randy Swift > Network Administrator > Leavitt Area High School > Turner, Maine 04282 > (207)225-3533 > swift at msad52.k12.me.us -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From swift at msad52.org Mon Apr 9 21:02:59 2007 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:02:59 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [K12OSN] eduduntu and samba/ldap PDC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, there was nothing in your post. Were you just supporting what Matt said or did you mean to say something? I will not be able to try this till Wednesday, I will keep you posted. Thanks "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >----- Original Message ----- > >Hi Randy, > >No, you definitely don't want to rerun the smbldap-installer. You just >need to edit /etc/exports on your server and specify that the iBook's >IP address can mount /home, and you need to edit /etc/fstab on the >iBook and tell it to mount /home from the Samba/LDAP server. > >The formats of these files are documented all over the Internet and in >man pages. :) ('man fstab' and 'man exports') > >You'll probably need to install nfs-common and portmap on the iBook, >and maybe an NFS server on the Samba/LDAP system. > >--matt > >>> I have edubuntu on an ibook and it is authenticating to my samba/ldap >>PDC >>> (feora 5). I thought it was also mounting the home directory but it was >>> only creating a local home. I think when I first setup my PDC and ran >>the >>> installer script I answered no to the question about Linux needing to >>> mount homes. Can I rerun the script or can I edit the smb.conf file to >>get >>> these ibooks (edubuntu 6.10) to mount the home directory? If I can just >>> edit some files which ones do I change? My PDC is in production and I >>am >>> leary of rerunning the script. Thoughts? Thanks. >>> >>> Randy Swift >>> Network Administrator >>> Leavitt Area High School >>> Turner, Maine 04282 >>> (207)225-3533 >>> swift at msad52.k12.me.us >-- >Open Source Software Engineering Consultant >http://majen.net/ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Tue Apr 10 01:56:50 2007 From: glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:56:50 -0400 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20KDE=20AutoLogin?= Message-ID: <461AB6A2020000BB000039E1@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Are you sure kdm is used?, i have all 3 desktops (kde, gnome and xfce) available but only gdm is used for all three. Guy Lessard Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais Gatineau, Qu?bec Canada >>> Ray Garza 09/04/07 11:25 >>> Sorry about that, I didn't copy and paste, I just retyped it in while looking at it on the terminal screen. I rechecked the config file to make sure and yes it is spelled correctly in it. Ray On Monday 09 April 2007 10:10, Peter Scheie wrote: > You mis-typed the word 'ethernet' in your dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf entry. > > Petre > > Ray Garza wrote: > > Hey Y'all, > > > > I tried to do the autologin for KDE and it didn't work. Here's what I > > did: > > > > K12LTSP 6.0 package > > user: catalog > > password: > > > > went to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf added: > > > > host catalog { > > hardware ehternet 00:02:2A:BF:FA:27; > > fixed-address 192.168.0.20; > > } > > > > went to /etc/hosts and changed: > > 192.168.0.20 catalog.ltsp catalog > > > > went to /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp and added at the bottom: > > [X-catalog:0-Core] > > AutoLoginEnable=true > > AutoLoginUser=catalog > > AutoLoginPass= > > AutoLoginSession=kde > > > > rebooted server and then rebooted client pc and the client pc does not > > auto login. I know the dhcpd part is working because i can "ping catalog" > > and get a response back wit the correct IP address. > > > > Is there something that I'm missing? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Apr 10 02:20:44 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:20:44 -0500 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Re=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_KDE?= =?windows-1252?Q?_AutoLogin?= In-Reply-To: <461AB6A2020000BB000039E1@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> References: <461AB6A2020000BB000039E1@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Message-ID: <461AF47C.2060806@scheie.homedns.org> To elaborate on Guy-Michel's point: The desktop--kde, gnome, icewm, whatever--is independent of which display manager--gdm, kdm, or xdm--is used. Fedora, and thus K12LTSP, defaults to using gdm. This has nothing to do with which desktop is used or is the default. Even if you've set KDE to be the default desktop, unless you've changed the display manager to kdm, the settings you have below won't work. You can use gdm with autologin--there are at least four docs on the wiki on it--and still have KDE be the default desktop. Make sure you are using kdm and the settings below, or gdm and use the settings described on the wiki. Petre Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Are you sure kdm is used?, i have all 3 desktops (kde, gnome and xfce) available but only gdm is used for all three. > > Guy Lessard > Professeur C??GEP de l'Outaouais > Gatineau, Qu??bec > Canada >>>> Ray Garza 09/04/07 11:25 >>> > Sorry about that, I didn't copy and paste, I just retyped it in while looking > at it on the terminal screen. I rechecked the config file to make sure and > yes it is spelled correctly in it. > > Ray > > On Monday 09 April 2007 10:10, Peter Scheie wrote: >> You mis-typed the word 'ethernet' in your dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf entry. >> >> Petre >> >> Ray Garza wrote: >>> Hey Y'all, >>> >>> I tried to do the autologin for KDE and it didn't work. Here's what I >>> did: >>> >>> K12LTSP 6.0 package >>> user: catalog >>> password: >>> >>> went to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf added: >>> >>> host catalog { >>> hardware ehternet 00:02:2A:BF:FA:27; >>> fixed-address 192.168.0.20; >>> } >>> >>> went to /etc/hosts and changed: >>> 192.168.0.20 catalog.ltsp catalog >>> >>> went to /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp and added at the bottom: >>> [X-catalog:0-Core] >>> AutoLoginEnable=true >>> AutoLoginUser=catalog >>> AutoLoginPass= >>> AutoLoginSession=kde >>> >>> rebooted server and then rebooted client pc and the client pc does not >>> auto login. I know the dhcpd part is working because i can "ping catalog" >>> and get a response back wit the correct IP address. >>> >>> Is there something that I'm missing? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Apr 10 02:39:22 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:39:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] best way to distribute bookmarks to users Message-ID: <461AF8DA.4040507@scheie.homedns.org> I swear someone just asked this question, but I can't find it in my archives. What is the best way for teachers to distribute Firefox bookmarks to students' accounts? I suppose I could tell the teacher to get her bookmarks set the way she wants, and then give her a script that copies her ~/.mozilla/firefox/*default/bookmarks.html to the same place for each user. But that seems a bit clumsy. Anyone know a better way? Petre From rgarza28 at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 03:30:02 2007 From: rgarza28 at gmail.com (Donald Duck) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:30:02 -0500 Subject: =?windows-1252?q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Re=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_KDE?= AutoLogin In-Reply-To: <461AF47C.2060806@scheie.homedns.org> References: <461AB6A2020000BB000039E1@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <461AF47C.2060806@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <200704092230.02418.mrduck@rgv.res.rr.com> On Monday 09 April 2007 9:20:44 pm Peter Scheie wrote: > To elaborate on Guy-Michel's point: The desktop--kde, gnome, icewm, > whatever--is independent of which display manager--gdm, kdm, or xdm--is > used. Fedora, and thus K12LTSP, defaults to using gdm. This has > nothing to do with which desktop is used or is the default. Even if > you've set KDE to be the default desktop, unless you've changed the > display manager to kdm, the settings you have below won't work. You can > use gdm with autologin--there are at least four docs on the wiki on > it--and still have KDE be the default desktop. Make sure you are using > kdm and the settings below, or gdm and use the settings described on the > wiki. > That's what I was suspecting and I was in the process of trying to figure which system I was using and switch to KDM. But, now that you mention it I'll try to set up with the docs for GDM. Where is that you can change from GDM to KDM? Is it in the /etc/sysconfig/desktop file? Hopefully I can get this going this week. Thanks, for you input. Ray > Petre > > Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > > Are you sure kdm is used?, i have all 3 desktops (kde, gnome and xfce) > > available but only gdm is used for all three. > > > > Guy Lessard > > Professeur C??GEP de l'Outaouais > > Gatineau, Qu??bec > > Canada > > > >>>> Ray Garza 09/04/07 11:25 >>> > > > > Sorry about that, I didn't copy and paste, I just retyped it in while > > looking at it on the terminal screen. I rechecked the config file to make > > sure and yes it is spelled correctly in it. > > > > Ray > > > > On Monday 09 April 2007 10:10, Peter Scheie wrote: > >> You mis-typed the word 'ethernet' in your dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf entry. > >> > >> Petre > >> > >> Ray Garza wrote: > >>> Hey Y'all, > >>> > >>> I tried to do the autologin for KDE and it didn't work. Here's what I > >>> did: > >>> > >>> K12LTSP 6.0 package > >>> user: catalog > >>> password: > >>> > >>> went to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf added: > >>> > >>> host catalog { > >>> hardware ehternet 00:02:2A:BF:FA:27; > >>> fixed-address 192.168.0.20; > >>> } > >>> > >>> went to /etc/hosts and changed: > >>> 192.168.0.20 catalog.ltsp catalog > >>> > >>> went to /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp and added at the bottom: > >>> [X-catalog:0-Core] > >>> AutoLoginEnable=true > >>> AutoLoginUser=catalog > >>> AutoLoginPass= > >>> AutoLoginSession=kde > >>> > >>> rebooted server and then rebooted client pc and the client pc does not > >>> auto login. I know the dhcpd part is working because i can "ping > >>> catalog" and get a response back wit the correct IP address. > >>> > >>> Is there something that I'm missing? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Ray > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nadavkav at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 07:52:06 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:52:06 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Listens to the Users I guess In-Reply-To: References: <460C4FBB.5090508@paasda.org> <200704021227.58648.yorick@xtra.co.nz> <4219988b0704070104va3b11a1mfbd24f28b9fa250e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4219988b0704100052t7862b831m3a68dc9b04bf424e@mail.gmail.com> search "tail" for RedHat EL 4 and get an RPM package called mini-busybox download it, open it (as if it is an archive) don't install it. and get the application "tail" now, put the tail application on the same folder you have jre install package, and run the install ( it will use the "tail" you just got) On 4/8/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > Sorry I am a bit lost. What am I supposed to search for on pbone? > > On 07/04/07, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > i had this issue too :-( > > > > you need to have the right "tail" version > > > > i don't remember which one, but i used http://rpm.pbone.net/ to find the > > latest > > for RedHat 4 (not fedora!) . i downloaded it . opened the rpm and got > the > > "tail" app > > and placed it inside the jre's install folder. and started the jre > install > > again. > > now it should work. > > > > good luck :-) > > > > > > > > On 4/7/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > On 02/04/07, Graham < yorick at xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > > > On Sunday 01 April 2007 07:11, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > > > How do you get the sound working in Impress? I wanted to use it > but > > > > > there was something about a java applet needed... Does the sound > work > > > > > over ltsp? > > > > > The sound works fine in windows. > > > > > > > > To get sound working in Impress you need JRE (Java Runtime > Environment) > > > > installed. Some distributions don't install JRE by default, Windows > > comes > > > > with it already installed. > > > > > > > > You can check by going tools>options>openoffice.org>java to see if a > JRE > > is > > > > installed. If it's blank you can go to www.java.com and download it > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > GL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" > > > > http://why.openoffice.org > > > > ISO 26300 compliant > > > > > > > > Graham Lauder, > > > > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > > > > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > > > > > > > INGOTs Assessor Trainer > > > > (International Grades in Office Technologies) > > > > www.theingots.org.nz > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > JRE is installed but it needs JMF to run the multimedia. I tried > > > installing it but got errors. Not sure what to do now. I am using > > > K12LTSP 6 (Fedora 6) > > > These are my errors. > > > > > > [root at k12ltsp1 install]# sh ./jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin > > > > > > JavaTM Media Framework (JMF) 2.1.x > > > Binary Code License Agreement > > > ... > > > Do you agree to the above license terms? [yes or no] > > > yes > > > > > > Permit recording from an applet? (see readme.html) [yes or no] > > > yes > > > > > > Permit writing local files from an applet? (recommend no, see > > > readme.html) [yes or no] > > > yes > > > Unpacking... > > > tail: cannot open `+309' for reading: No such file or directory > > > Extracting... > > > ./install.sfx.11154: line 1: ==: No such file or directory > > > ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `)' > > > ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: > > > > > > `5???3??n?N?_?^????[UQU599??;????r????_????KK)C{<>???< > > > > 88?$??????,????i?????V~?mn.?7w^???,?; M??`? ?A$D????? > > @ > > > ??wA' > > > [root at k12ltsp1 install]# > > > > > > When I try to run the install again it just exits immediately. > > > Can anyone help? (I can show the strace output for anyone who is > > interested.) > > > We are planning to do slideshows this term and sound is considered > > > essential by the principal. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nadavkav at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 07:53:54 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:53:54 +0300 Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_R=E9p._:_Re:_[K12OSN]_KDE_AutoLogin?= In-Reply-To: <200704092230.02418.mrduck@rgv.res.rr.com> References: <461AB6A2020000BB000039E1@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <461AF47C.2060806@scheie.homedns.org> <200704092230.02418.mrduck@rgv.res.rr.com> Message-ID: <4219988b0704100053i690fb057m2f332fc69e7c1e53@mail.gmail.com> just add [X-*-Core] NoPassEnable=true NoPassUsers=catalog On 4/10/07, Donald Duck wrote: > > > > On Monday 09 April 2007 9:20:44 pm Peter Scheie wrote: > > To elaborate on Guy-Michel's point: The desktop--kde, gnome, icewm, > > whatever--is independent of which display manager--gdm, kdm, or xdm--is > > used. Fedora, and thus K12LTSP, defaults to using gdm. This has > > nothing to do with which desktop is used or is the default. Even if > > you've set KDE to be the default desktop, unless you've changed the > > display manager to kdm, the settings you have below won't work. You can > > use gdm with autologin--there are at least four docs on the wiki on > > it--and still have KDE be the default desktop. Make sure you are using > > kdm and the settings below, or gdm and use the settings described on the > > wiki. > > > That's what I was suspecting and I was in the process of trying to figure > which system I was using and switch to KDM. But, now that you mention it > I'll > try to set up with the docs for GDM. > > Where is that you can change from GDM to KDM? Is it in > the /etc/sysconfig/desktop file? > > Hopefully I can get this going this week. > > Thanks, for you input. > > Ray > > > Petre > > > > Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > > > Are you sure kdm is used?, i have all 3 desktops (kde, gnome and xfce) > > > available but only gdm is used for all three. > > > > > > Guy Lessard > > > Professeur C??GEP de l'Outaouais > > > Gatineau, Qu?(c)bec > > > Canada > > > > > >>>> Ray Garza 09/04/07 11:25 >>> > > > > > > Sorry about that, I didn't copy and paste, I just retyped it in while > > > looking at it on the terminal screen. I rechecked the config file to > make > > > sure and yes it is spelled correctly in it. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > On Monday 09 April 2007 10:10, Peter Scheie wrote: > > >> You mis-typed the word 'ethernet' in your dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf entry. > > >> > > >> Petre > > >> > > >> Ray Garza wrote: > > >>> Hey Y'all, > > >>> > > >>> I tried to do the autologin for KDE and it didn't work. Here's what > I > > >>> did: > > >>> > > >>> K12LTSP 6.0 package > > >>> user: catalog > > >>> password: > > >>> > > >>> went to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf added: > > >>> > > >>> host catalog { > > >>> hardware ehternet 00:02:2A:BF:FA:27; > > >>> fixed-address 192.168.0.20; > > >>> } > > >>> > > >>> went to /etc/hosts and changed: > > >>> 192.168.0.20 catalog.ltsp catalog > > >>> > > >>> went to /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp and added at the bottom: > > >>> [X-catalog:0-Core] > > >>> AutoLoginEnable=true > > >>> AutoLoginUser=catalog > > >>> AutoLoginPass= > > >>> AutoLoginSession=kde > > >>> > > >>> rebooted server and then rebooted client pc and the client pc does > not > > >>> auto login. I know the dhcpd part is working because i can "ping > > >>> catalog" and get a response back wit the correct IP address. > > >>> > > >>> Is there something that I'm missing? > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> > > >>> Ray > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> K12OSN mailing list > > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>> For more info see > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nadavkav at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 07:54:20 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:54:20 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE AutoLogin In-Reply-To: <200704091025.13756.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200704091004.18910.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <461A5753.5030009@scheie.homedns.org> <200704091025.13756.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <4219988b0704100054m7760610dk2c910d93c05291dc@mail.gmail.com> just add [X-*-Core] NoPassEnable=true NoPassUsers=catalog On 4/9/07, Ray Garza wrote: > > Sorry about that, I didn't copy and paste, I just retyped it in while > looking > at it on the terminal screen. I rechecked the config file to make sure and > yes it is spelled correctly in it. > > Ray > > On Monday 09 April 2007 10:10, Peter Scheie wrote: > > You mis-typed the word 'ethernet' in your dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf entry. > > > > Petre > > > > Ray Garza wrote: > > > Hey Y'all, > > > > > > I tried to do the autologin for KDE and it didn't work. Here's what I > > > did: > > > > > > K12LTSP 6.0 package > > > user: catalog > > > password: > > > > > > went to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf added: > > > > > > host catalog { > > > hardware ehternet 00:02:2A:BF:FA:27; > > > fixed-address 192.168.0.20; > > > } > > > > > > went to /etc/hosts and changed: > > > 192.168.0.20 catalog.ltsp catalog > > > > > > went to /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc and kdmrc.ltsp and added at the bottom: > > > [X-catalog:0-Core] > > > AutoLoginEnable=true > > > AutoLoginUser=catalog > > > AutoLoginPass= > > > AutoLoginSession=kde > > > > > > rebooted server and then rebooted client pc and the client pc does not > > > auto login. I know the dhcpd part is working because i can "ping > catalog" > > > and get a response back wit the correct IP address. > > > > > > Is there something that I'm missing? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at ptd.net Tue Apr 10 11:50:01 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:50:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] best way to distribute bookmarks to users In-Reply-To: <461AF8DA.4040507@scheie.homedns.org> References: <461AF8DA.4040507@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <20070410115001.GA9666@clubber.owens.net> bookmarks.html is actually a simple web page. So you could put a copy of it in a public folder and send everyone a link to it. When they open it in Firefox, they'll see a text-like list of the teacher's links, and they can click on each one to be brought to the corresponding web page. -Rob On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 09:39:22PM -0500, Peter Scheie wrote: > I swear someone just asked this question, but I can't find it in my > archives. What is the best way for teachers to distribute Firefox > bookmarks to students' accounts? I suppose I could tell the teacher to > get her bookmarks set the way she wants, and then give her a script that > copies her ~/.mozilla/firefox/*default/bookmarks.html to the same place > for each user. But that seems a bit clumsy. Anyone know a better way? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From joebaker at dcresearch.com Tue Apr 10 13:52:49 2007 From: joebaker at dcresearch.com (Joe Baker) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:52:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Future LTSP direction: Local Apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <461B96B1.9030004@dcresearch.com> The future is a blend of both technologies. Being able to have the local client run Firefox locally, but being able to spawn an open office document and have it run from a well endowed server that does nothing but run OpenOffice for many users concurrently. What's needed to get there? 1. Gconfd needs to be network enabled instead of just being tied to a file socket. 2. .desktop files need to be more network aware 3. All the machines providing applications need to understand a similar filespace. We are accustomed to the idea of sharing a user's home directory over NFS, but applications like to use /tmp to pass copies of files to one another or /var/tmp to store destop environment variables. I've tried sharing /tmp out across multiple machines -- it's a weird thought and things like X Desktops on the local need to be adjusted so they don't conflict. Gconfd uses something called "orbit" and orbit has the ability to be network enabled. But there needs to be more attention to this subject if we are to be able to use all the computer resources on a network to our best advantage. -Joe Baker IT Administrator NEL Frequency Controls, Inc. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Apr 10 14:16:00 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:16:00 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [K12OSN] eduduntu and samba/ldap PDC In-Reply-To: References: <, > <,> Message-ID: I was simply forwarding what Matt sent me. I also want to add this though. You'll need to add these lines: Here's my entry in fstab (on the K12LTSP server) 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 and my exports entry (on the Samba/LDAP server....I export to 2 K12LTSP servers) /home 10.0.15.253/255.255.240.0(rw,sync,no_root_squash) /home 10.0.14.253/255.255.240.0(rw,sync,no_root_squash) "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >David, there was nothing in your post. Were you just supporting what Matt >said or did you mean to say something? I will not be able to try this till >Wednesday, I will keep you posted. Thanks > > >"Support list for open source software in schools." >writes: >> >> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Director >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>(207)923-3100 >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>Hi Randy, >> >>No, you definitely don't want to rerun the smbldap-installer. You just >>need to edit /etc/exports on your server and specify that the iBook's >>IP address can mount /home, and you need to edit /etc/fstab on the >>iBook and tell it to mount /home from the Samba/LDAP server. >> >>The formats of these files are documented all over the Internet and in >>man pages. :) ('man fstab' and 'man exports') >> >>You'll probably need to install nfs-common and portmap on the iBook, >>and maybe an NFS server on the Samba/LDAP system. >> >>--matt >> >>>> I have edubuntu on an ibook and it is authenticating to my samba/ldap >>>PDC >>>> (feora 5). I thought it was also mounting the home directory but it >was >>>> only creating a local home. I think when I first setup my PDC and ran >>>the >>>> installer script I answered no to the question about Linux needing to >>>> mount homes. Can I rerun the script or can I edit the smb.conf file to >>>get >>>> these ibooks (edubuntu 6.10) to mount the home directory? If I can >just >>>> edit some files which ones do I change? My PDC is in production and I >>>am >>>> leary of rerunning the script. Thoughts? Thanks. >>>> >>>> Randy Swift >>>> Network Administrator >>>> Leavitt Area High School >>>> Turner, Maine 04282 >>>> (207)225-3533 >>>> swift at msad52.k12.me.us >>-- >>Open Source Software Engineering Consultant >>http://majen.net/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > >Randy Swift >Network Administrator >Leavitt Area High School >Turner, Maine 04282 >(207)225-3533 >swift at msad52.k12.me.us > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From joebaker at dcresearch.com Tue Apr 10 15:17:28 2007 From: joebaker at dcresearch.com (Joe Baker) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:17:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Multicasting video using vlc server/client (WAS: speed question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <461BAA88.5070409@dcresearch.com> This has an application for a "Public Address" system also. I've been thinking over the years that there should be some sort of PA system that runs over the network. -Joe Baker From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 10 15:51:32 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:51:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linuxfest Northwest In-Reply-To: <1176051061.3832.8.camel@dbserver> References: <1176051061.3832.8.camel@dbserver> Message-ID: <461BB284.5000304@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Vince Callaway wrote: > Is anyone on this list going to be at this event? > > http://linuxfestnorthwest.org > > I am pretty sure I will be there. -Eric From nadavkav at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 17:27:52 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:27:52 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] best way to distribute bookmarks to users In-Reply-To: <20070410115001.GA9666@clubber.owens.net> References: <461AF8DA.4040507@scheie.homedns.org> <20070410115001.GA9666@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <4219988b0704101027o3410bfd3i90f19e771dc9155f@mail.gmail.com> here is what we do: set pref for all users from a single firefox.cfg file ( http://mit.edu/~firefox/www/maintainers/autoconfig.html) and the files we use... /usr/local/firefox_2/bookmarks.html <<-- you general links :-) /usr/local/firefox_2/ltsp-in-schools.cfg <<-- general configuration for all users /usr/local/firefox_2/defaults/pref/all.js <<-- tells firefox to use ltsp-in-schools.cfg the contents of "all.js" pref('general.config.obscure_value', 0); pref('general.config.filename', 'ltsp-in-schools.cfg'); the contents of "ltsp-in-schools.cfg" // Set Cache Directory //var env_user = getenv("USER"); //var cache_dir = "/var/tmp/MozillaFirefox-" + env_user + "/Cache/"; //lockPref('browser.cache.disk.parent_directory', cache_dir); // Security Settings lockPref("signon.rememberSignons", false); // set local squid as default proxy // squid is probably redirected through ISP's proxy for adult content filtering ! pref("network.proxy.http", "server.ltsp"); pref("network.proxy.http_port", 3128); pref("network.proxy.type",1); // set school's home page pref("browser.startup.page",1); pref('browser.startup.homepage','http://www.google.co.il/'); // clear download bar when browser closes pref("downbar.function.clearOnClose",true); // no crash recovery pref("browser.sessionstore.enabled",false); // adblock pref("extensions.adblockplus.frameobjects",false); pref("extensions.adblockplus.showintoolbar",false); pref("extensions.adblockplus.showsubscriptions",false); pref("extensions.adblockplus.frameobjects",false); // firefox updates pref("extensions.update.enabled",false); pref("extensions.update.notifyUser",false); // language pref("font.language.group","he"); pref("intl.charset.default","ISO-8859-8"); pref("intl.charsetmenu.browser.static","ISO-8859-1, UTF-8, ISO-8859-8-I, ISO-8859-8, windows-1255"); pref("spellchecker.dictionary","he-IL"); // use kmail as email client for mailto: links pref("network.protocol-handler.app.mailto","kmailservice"); // use my fonts to display hebrew with nikod correctly pref("browser.display.use_document_fonts",0); // one bookmarks.html file to all students :-) pref("browser.bookmarks.file","/usr/local/firefox_2/bookmarks.html"); enjoy :-) On 4/10/07, Rob Owens wrote: > > bookmarks.html is actually a simple web page. So you could put a copy of > it in a public folder and send everyone a link to it. When they open it > in Firefox, they'll see a text-like list of the teacher's links, and > they can click on each one to be brought to the corresponding web page. > > -Rob > > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 09:39:22PM -0500, Peter Scheie wrote: > > I swear someone just asked this question, but I can't find it in my > > archives. What is the best way for teachers to distribute Firefox > > bookmarks to students' accounts? I suppose I could tell the teacher to > > get her bookmarks set the way she wants, and then give her a script that > > copies her ~/.mozilla/firefox/*default/bookmarks.html to the same place > > for each user. But that seems a bit clumsy. 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URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Apr 10 18:07:55 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:07:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] speed question In-Reply-To: References: <4612322F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><46127D65.1040600@cmosnetworks.com><4614B853.1000705@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:50 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] speed question > > On 4/5/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well that's almost disappointing. My boss wants to buy a whole new lab > of > > thin clients and LCD's. I wanted to use my current lab, all the iPaqs, > and > > possibly get new monitors, I'd rather use the money on a server and new > > network equipment. The problem is then, if I go with our current > computers, > > they probably won't be good enough for the multimedia applications. They > are > > on the i810 chipset, but unfortunately don't support any upgrades aside > from > > memory. So what thin client would someone recommend for use in a > multimedia > > Before you go out and buy all new clients. If I read correctly your > current ones are 500Mhz Celerons with 256MB. They *might* be good > enough to run Mplayer locally if that's what you mean by multimedia > apps. LTSP 5 is supposed to be easier to do local apps and I think > K12LTSP 7 is going to use LTSP 5. Even if you have video cards like > the Matrox G400 or the Radeon 9200 as Terrell suggests you can't > really have a whole lab all watching fullscreen video/sound > (headphones) at the same time. It will not only hammer your server > trying to decompress 30 video streams simultaneously but also saturate > even a gigabit linked eth0, not to mention video/audio sync problems > over the network. But you can do this with Mplayer as a local app. > Provided you have clients powerful enough. > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Mplayer, Realplayer, and apps like that is what I meant by multimedia. And whatever they might use online such as flash. I wouldn't imagine all 30 clients running at the same time. Even in the open lab there isn't much time available for them to be doing something other then the lesson, or school work. Hopefully these will work out then, it would let me beef up a server enough to handle a bigger load. Even if there is a limit on the network bandwith. Levi From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Tue Apr 10 20:19:04 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:19:04 -0500 Subject: =?windows-1252?q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Re=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_KDE?= AutoLogin In-Reply-To: <461AF47C.2060806@scheie.homedns.org> References: <461AB6A2020000BB000039E1@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <461AF47C.2060806@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <200704101519.04848.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Monday 09 April 2007 21:20, Peter Scheie wrote: > To elaborate on Guy-Michel's point: The desktop--kde, gnome, icewm, > whatever--is independent of which display manager--gdm, kdm, or xdm--is > used. Fedora, and thus K12LTSP, defaults to using gdm. This has > nothing to do with which desktop is used or is the default. Even if > you've set KDE to be the default desktop, unless you've changed the > display manager to kdm, the settings you have below won't work. You can > use gdm with autologin--there are at least four docs on the wiki on > it--and still have KDE be the default desktop. Make sure you are using > kdm and the settings below, or gdm and use the settings described on the > wiki. > > Petre > Well, even though everything looked correct, I just couldn't get KDM to autologin, so, I gave up on it and switched over to GDM. GDM gave me a little trouble but once I verified that the script worked, I was able to get the remote pc to boot and auto login into the correct account. I used the script that was in http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/A_more_complete_How-To_for_setting_up_autologin_of_clients_using_Gnome_&_GDM I changed the script a little to suit my needs and it worked fine. Thanks everyone for your input. Ray From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Apr 10 21:48:08 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:48:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] speed question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My lab handles FLASH with sound no problem. Running K12LTSP 5 with Firefox 2.0.0.3 and Flash 9. I can have 22 units (in my lab, more around school) all running various kids sites like Disney and PBS with no issues.....those sites are FLASH heavy. I do recommend running more than one server if possible and running gigabit from server to switch. I have 2 servers running in dhcp load balance/failover mode...easy to do. "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:50 PM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] speed question >> >> On 4/5/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Well that's almost disappointing. My boss wants to buy a whole new >lab >> of >> > thin clients and LCD's. I wanted to use my current lab, all the >iPaqs, >> and >> > possibly get new monitors, I'd rather use the money on a server and >new >> > network equipment. The problem is then, if I go with our current >> computers, >> > they probably won't be good enough for the multimedia applications. >They >> are >> > on the i810 chipset, but unfortunately don't support any upgrades >aside >> from >> > memory. So what thin client would someone recommend for use in a >> multimedia >> >> Before you go out and buy all new clients. If I read correctly your >> current ones are 500Mhz Celerons with 256MB. They *might* be good >> enough to run Mplayer locally if that's what you mean by multimedia >> apps. LTSP 5 is supposed to be easier to do local apps and I think >> K12LTSP 7 is going to use LTSP 5. Even if you have video cards like >> the Matrox G400 or the Radeon 9200 as Terrell suggests you can't >> really have a whole lab all watching fullscreen video/sound >> (headphones) at the same time. It will not only hammer your server >> trying to decompress 30 video streams simultaneously but also saturate >> even a gigabit linked eth0, not to mention video/audio sync problems >> over the network. But you can do this with Mplayer as a local app. >> Provided you have clients powerful enough. >> >> >> -- >> Robert Arkiletian >> Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada >> Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ >> C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > >Mplayer, Realplayer, and apps like that is what I meant by multimedia. >And whatever they might use online such as flash. I wouldn't imagine all >30 clients running at the same time. Even in the open lab there isn't >much time available for them to be doing something other then the >lesson, or school work. Hopefully these will work out then, it would let >me beef up a server enough to handle a bigger load. Even if there is a >limit on the network bandwith. > >Levi > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From xmechanic at gilanet.com Wed Apr 11 04:20:37 2007 From: xmechanic at gilanet.com (xmechanic) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:20:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 38, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <20070410160024.E43167357E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070410160024.E43167357E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <461C6215.6070905@gilanet.com> > > Subject: > [K12OSN] best way to distribute bookmarks to users > From: > Peter Scheie > Date: > Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:39:22 -0500 > To: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > To: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Petre, That sounds like the most logical way to do it actually. Maybe do a script similar to the 'push icons' script with a launcher on the server desktop, except only have it affect a certain 'group' (i.e. students). Just a thought. :-) Dave Land Land Computer Service > I swear someone just asked this question, but I can't find it in my > archives. What is the best way for teachers to distribute Firefox > bookmarks to students' accounts? I suppose I could tell the teacher > to get her bookmarks set the way she wants, and then give her a script > that copies her ~/.mozilla/firefox/*default/bookmarks.html to the same > place for each user. But that seems a bit clumsy. Anyone know a > better way? > > Petre > > From k12osn at michel.com.au Wed Apr 11 05:21:27 2007 From: k12osn at michel.com.au (Wayne Michel) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:21:27 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] best way to distribute bookmarks to users In-Reply-To: <461AF8DA.4040507@scheie.homedns.org> References: <461AF8DA.4040507@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <461C7057.5030705@michel.com.au> I use the firefox extension Foxmarks and have it running on my own server http://www.foxcloud.com/wiki/Foxmarks:_Using_Your_Own_Server Wayne Peter Scheie wrote: > I swear someone just asked this question, but I can't find it in my > archives. What is the best way for teachers to distribute Firefox > bookmarks to students' accounts? I suppose I could tell the teacher > to get her bookmarks set the way she wants, and then give her a script > that copies her ~/.mozilla/firefox/*default/bookmarks.html to the same > place for each user. But that seems a bit clumsy. Anyone know a > better way? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 08:49:04 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:49:04 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Listens to the Users I guess In-Reply-To: <4219988b0704100052t7862b831m3a68dc9b04bf424e@mail.gmail.com> References: <460C4FBB.5090508@paasda.org> <200704021227.58648.yorick@xtra.co.nz> <4219988b0704070104va3b11a1mfbd24f28b9fa250e@mail.gmail.com> <4219988b0704100052t7862b831m3a68dc9b04bf424e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I was having difficulty installing using the bin file. (the strace output is listed at the end.) I tried putting tail in the same directory as the jmf.bin file. Is this right, or should it go somewhere else (/usr/share/java/...) The following method looked promising so I tried it. http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=50506&view=next Installing using RPMbuild. After setting up .bashrc /etc/profile I was able to get to the stage where the webbrowser diagnostic test came up with "All java build. Native libraries not found." ( I wasn't sure exactly where to put the setenv lines--.bashrc or /etc/profile) I can run JMediaPlayer (using the fix given in the previous email) but it won't open mpg movies or mp3 or ogg or wav or anything I try to open. It is the same with Openoffice Impress. It always says "The format of the selected file is not supported." I have set the classpath to the jmf.jar file. I thought I should try rebuilding the rpm file using the linux optimized zip file. It said something on the Sun website that the all java build doesn't support the sound api. Any suggestions: Should I try to fix and use the .bin installation method, or should I try the rpmbuild method rebuilding the file using linux optimized files? I appreciate the help. I hope to get this sorted soon. Thanks. Krsnendu dasa On 10/04/07, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > search "tail" for RedHat EL 4 and get an RPM package called mini-busybox > download it, open it (as if it is an archive) don't install it. > and get the application "tail" > now, put the tail application on the same folder you have jre install > package, and run the install > ( it will use the "tail" you just got) > > > > On 4/8/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > Sorry I am a bit lost. What am I supposed to search for on pbone? > > > > On 07/04/07, Nadav Kavalerchik < nadavkav at gmail.com> wrote: > > > i had this issue too :-( > > > > > > you need to have the right "tail" version > > > > > > i don't remember which one, but i used http://rpm.pbone.net/ to find the > > > latest > > > for RedHat 4 (not fedora!) . i downloaded it . opened the rpm and got > the > > > "tail" app > > > and placed it inside the jre's install folder. and started the jre > install > > > again. > > > now it should work. > > > > > > good luck :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/7/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > > On 02/04/07, Graham < yorick at xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > > > > On Sunday 01 April 2007 07:11, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > > > > How do you get the sound working in Impress? I wanted to use it > but > > > > > > there was something about a java applet needed... Does the sound > work > > > > > > over ltsp? > > > > > > The sound works fine in windows. > > > > > > > > > > To get sound working in Impress you need JRE (Java Runtime > Environment) > > > > > installed. Some distributions don't install JRE by default, Windows > > > comes > > > > > with it already installed. > > > > > > > > > > You can check by going tools>options> openoffice.org>java to see if > a JRE > > > is > > > > > installed. If it's blank you can go to www.java.com and download it > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > GL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" > > > > > http://why.openoffice.org > > > > > ISO 26300 compliant > > > > > > > > > > Graham Lauder, > > > > > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > > > > > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > > > > > > > > > INGOTs Assessor Trainer > > > > > (International Grades in Office Technologies) > > > > > www.theingots.org.nz > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > JRE is installed but it needs JMF to run the multimedia. I tried > > > > installing it but got errors. Not sure what to do now. I am using > > > > K12LTSP 6 (Fedora 6) > > > > These are my errors. > > > > > > > > [root at k12ltsp1 install]# sh ./jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin > > > > > > > > JavaTM Media Framework (JMF) 2.1.x > > > > Binary Code License Agreement > > > > ... > > > > Do you agree to the above license terms? [yes or no] > > > > yes > > > > > > > > Permit recording from an applet? (see readme.html) [yes or no] > > > > yes > > > > > > > > Permit writing local files from an applet? (recommend no, see > > > > readme.html) [yes or no] > > > > yes > > > > Unpacking... > > > > tail: cannot open `+309' for reading: No such file or directory > > > > Extracting... > > > > ./install.sfx.11154: line 1: ==: No such file or directory > > > > ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `)' > > > > ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: > > > > > > > > `5???3??n?N?_?^????[UQU599??;????r????_????KK)C{<>???< > > > > > > > 88?$??????,????i?????V~?mn.?7w^???,?; M??`? ?A$D????? > > > @ > > > > ??wA' > > > > [root at k12ltsp1 install]# > > > > > > > > When I try to run the install again it just exits immediately. > > > > Can anyone help? (I can show the strace output for anyone who is > > > interested.) > > > > We are planning to do slideshows this term and sound is considered > > > > essential by the principal. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 09:12:24 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:12:24 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Listens to the Users I guess In-Reply-To: References: <460C4FBB.5090508@paasda.org> <200704021227.58648.yorick@xtra.co.nz> <4219988b0704070104va3b11a1mfbd24f28b9fa250e@mail.gmail.com> <4219988b0704100052t7862b831m3a68dc9b04bf424e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Here is the strace output I forgot to include in that last email. [root at k12ltsp1 jmf]# strace sh jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin execve("/bin/sh", ["sh", "jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin"], [/* 43 vars */]) = 0 brk(0) = 0x8445000 access("/etc/ld.so.preload", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY) = 3 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=69439, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 69439, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xb7fa7000 close(3) = 0 open("/lib/libtermcap.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\260\353"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=13276, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7fa6000 mmap2(0x490e000, 14760, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0) = 0x490e000 mmap2(0x4911000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x2) = 0x4911000 close(3) = 0 open("/lib/libdl.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0000\33u"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=16528, ...}) = 0 mmap2(0x751000, 12408, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0) = 0x751000 mmap2(0x753000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x1) = 0x753000 close(3) = 0 open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0p\360_\000"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=1576920, ...}) = 0 mmap2(0x5e9000, 1295780, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0) = 0x5e9000 mmap2(0x720000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x137) = 0x720000 mmap2(0x723000, 9636, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x723000 close(3) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7fa5000 set_thread_area({entry_number:-1 -> 6, base_addr:0xb7fa56c0, limit:1048575, seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0, limit_in_pages:1, seg_not_present:0, useable:1}) = 0 mprotect(0x753000, 4096, PROT_READ) = 0 mprotect(0x720000, 8192, PROT_READ) = 0 mprotect(0x5e5000, 4096, PROT_READ) = 0 munmap(0xb7fa7000, 69439) = 0 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0 open("/dev/tty", O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 close(3) = 0 brk(0) = 0x8445000 brk(0x8466000) = 0x8466000 open("/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=55561840, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 2097152, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xb7da5000 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0xdc0) = 0xb7fb7000 close(3) = 0 getuid32() = 0 getgid32() = 0 geteuid32() = 0 getegid32() = 0 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0 time(NULL) = 1176282650 open("/proc/meminfo", O_RDONLY) = 3 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7fb6000 read(3, "MemTotal: 2074844 kB\nMemFre"..., 1024) = 823 close(3) = 0 munmap(0xb7fb6000, 4096) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGQUIT, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_IGN}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGQUIT, {SIG_IGN}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGQUIT, {SIG_IGN}, {SIG_IGN}, 8) = 0 uname({sys="Linux", node="k12ltsp1.harekrishna.school.nz", ...}) = 0 stat64("/root/install/jmf", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0 stat64(".", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0 getpid() = 27639 open("/usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules.cache", O_RDONLY) = 3 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=25460, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 25460, PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED, 3, 0) = 0xb7fb0000 close(3) = 0 getppid() = 27638 stat64(".", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0 stat64("/usr/kerberos/sbin/sh", 0xbf9b8560) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/usr/kerberos/bin/sh", 0xbf9b8560) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/usr/local/sbin/sh", 0xbf9b8560) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/usr/local/bin/sh", 0xbf9b8560) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/sbin/sh", 0xbf9b8560) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/bin/sh", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=722684, ...}) = 0 access("/bin/sh", X_OK) = 0 access("/bin/sh", R_OK) = 0 stat64("/bin/sh", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=722684, ...}) = 0 access("/bin/sh", X_OK) = 0 access("/bin/sh", R_OK) = 0 getpgrp() = 27638 rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {0x8079d00, [], 0}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0 open("jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 ioctl(3, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0xbf9b8568) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) _llseek(3, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR) = 0 read(3, "", 80) = 0 _llseek(3, 0, [0], SEEK_SET) = 0 getrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE, {rlim_cur=1024, rlim_max=1024}) = 0 dup2(3, 255) = 255 close(3) = 0 fcntl64(255, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 fcntl64(255, F_GETFL) = 0x8000 (flags O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) fstat64(255, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 _llseek(255, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR) = 0 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0 read(255, "", 1) = 0 exit_group(0) = ? Process 27639 detached [root at k12ltsp1 jmf]# From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Apr 11 11:59:31 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:59:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: thoughts on running vista through K12LTSP Message-ID: <36852.216.24.126.67.1176292771.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Our school is wanting to set up a lab full of Vista PC's for the next school year. About 25 PC's. Does anyone here think it would be doable to run Vista via Qemu, Virtualbox, VMWare server? In other words have new thin clients( Ebox 2300's) boot via K12LTSP, then start a VM to Vista? I realize the sound should work if the lts.conf file is modded to run windows sound ,rather than ltsp sound daemon. I'm not sure though about vista, as the sound is redirected via RDP via windows terminal services? Hmmm,,,. I'm thinking youd need x number of copies of Vista licenses,which is not a problem,per seat. Does this sound like " a not so good setup" to anyone here? trying to think/look at what the pitfalls would be so everyone is not frustrated if say Flash or somehting does not work correctly via a VM. Thoughts? Thanks, Barry Cisna westcentral school From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Wed Apr 11 12:33:05 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:33:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot Dell GX110 In-Reply-To: References: <43080f460701211803t6d05ece8ja3c9c5026fb77d5e@mail.gmail.com> <3073.76.179.82.249.1169433770.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <45B50544.5080709@cmosnetworks.com> <45B5085C.7090609@maltzen.net> <45B50D7B.5050102@futuresource.com> <45B5106B.5040103@maltzen.net><45B51CA1.8090903@maltzen.net> <460839D3.20205@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <461CD581.9090401@peopleplaces.org> With these GX110s, do you notice odd xserver crashes (black screen w/ debug output, completely locked), usually related to the vesa driver? This happens quite a lot (once or twice a week) for the two GX110 testers we have but has never happened to any other clients. Alternatively, can I specify a different xserver than vesa to run for these boxes? They're Intel i810 chipsets. Thanks, Michael Kemp, Levi wrote: > Not sure if it matters now, but we have quite a few Dells here, and at > the last place I worked and as far as I can tell most Dells can PXE > boot. I know the GX1, 110, and 150's can. I cannot remember which > dimensions or optiplex's the other place had, but I recall that option > being there. All I can say is that with Dells you need to make sure you > have the latest BIOS because they never have it right the first time. Or > the second. Or the third.. I cannot believe how much hardware went bad > on the 150's before they realized they didn't turn the fans on, which > was A11 I think. > > Levi From vince at totalsense.com Wed Apr 11 12:41:50 2007 From: vince at totalsense.com (Vince Callaway) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:41:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: thoughts on running vista through K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <36852.216.24.126.67.1176292771.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <36852.216.24.126.67.1176292771.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <1176295310.17512.7.camel@dbserver> Here is an article on what you are asking about. http://tinyurl.com/2ccdb2 Microsoft specifically prohibits using normal vista under virtualization. From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Apr 11 12:52:48 2007 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:52:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source library Software In-Reply-To: <461C7057.5030705@michel.com.au> References: <461AF8DA.4040507@scheie.homedns.org> <461C7057.5030705@michel.com.au> Message-ID: I know this question has been posed before, but I'm looking at it again. Any updated feelings of folks on the best options for library software. thanks Shane Shane Stafford Director Information Services Maine School Union 90 (Alton,Bradley,Greenbush,Milford) sstafford at union90.org From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Apr 11 13:07:01 2007 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:07:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source library Software In-Reply-To: References: <461AF8DA.4040507@scheie.homedns.org> <461C7057.5030705@michel.com.au> Message-ID: <200704111407.02079.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 11 April 2007 13:52, Shane Stafford wrote: > I know this question has been posed before, but I'm looking at it again. > Any updated feelings of folks on the best options for library software. > thanks > Shane we use Koha (www.koha.org) Our librarian loves it. We used to use the highly regarded Alice system; she says koha is far superior - much more user friendly and easier to drive. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET Wed Apr 11 13:08:08 2007 From: CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:08:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source library Software Message-ID: I have heard of schools using this... http://www.koha.org Thanks, Chuck Syperski http://pscafe.sf.net >>> staffords at glenburn.net 04/11/07 07:52AM >>> I know this question has been posed before, but I'm looking at it again. Any updated feelings of folks on the best options for library software. thanks Shane Shane Stafford Director Information Services Maine School Union 90 (Alton,Bradley,Greenbush,Milford) sstafford at union90.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Wed Apr 11 13:58:31 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:58:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: thoughts on running vista through K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <36852.216.24.126.67.1176292771.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <36852.216.24.126.67.1176292771.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: Mostly out of curiosity, what are the reasons behind running Vista in the lab? I've seen it on a few PCs and have to say it is way beyond just being a resource hog (pulling have of the RAM on a 1GB system just to run), it doesn't sound like a good idea, but who knows. Levi > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Barry Cisna > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:00 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: thoughts on running vista through K12LTSP > > Hello All, > > Our school is wanting to set up a lab full of Vista PC's for the next > school year. About 25 PC's. Does anyone here think it would be doable to > run Vista via Qemu, Virtualbox, VMWare server? In other words have new > thin clients( Ebox 2300's) boot via K12LTSP, then start a VM to Vista? I > realize the sound should work if the lts.conf file is modded to run > windows sound ,rather than ltsp sound daemon. I'm not sure though about > vista, as the sound is redirected via RDP via windows terminal services? > Hmmm,,,. > I'm thinking youd need x number of copies of Vista licenses,which is not a > problem,per seat. Does this sound like " a not so good setup" to anyone > here? > trying to think/look at what the pitfalls would be so everyone is not > frustrated if say Flash or somehting does not work correctly via a VM. > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Apr 11 14:31:19 2007 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:31:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: thoughts on running vista through K12LTSP Message-ID: <51656.172.28.8.55.1176301879.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Levi, I was just trying to see if anyone had tried running Vista via any VM software. I thought if it were possible to run on top of Linux, such as replacing a fresh IMG for example if the primary IMG gets hosed might be less maintenance,etc. As you stated I m afraid you couldnt get enough ram sticks shoved inside the server to provide the amount of available ram to run many concurrent connections for Vista. I m just curious more than anything if this has been attempted in any school scenarios? The powers that be, would like to have a few pcs ( 20-25),with Vista for next school year,so was just pondering options. Thanks, Barry Cisna From cwagnon at fordyceschools.org Wed Apr 11 14:50:00 2007 From: cwagnon at fordyceschools.org (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:50:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: thoughts on running vista through K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <51656.172.28.8.55.1176301879.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <51656.172.28.8.55.1176301879.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <461CAF34.DE74.0047.0@fordyceschools.org> If I may chime in here....get the "powers that be" one true vista system to play with and watch them recoil. My experience in these parts has been as people get new computers for home they bring them to me to blow away and stick XP on. They were begging for windows XP when it was the new thing. However with Vista my users say to me "We're not going to have to use Vista *here* are we?" They hate all the "stupid security popups" and the "stupid circle cursor that won't go away" =) Thanks Microsoft for becoming so out of touch with your consumers that you are inadvertently promoting alternative operating systems.... There's no way to rationally virtualize vista and get excellent performance. Certainly not in a terminal environment. Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce Schools ____________________ >>> 4/11/2007 9:31 AM >>> Levi, I was just trying to see if anyone had tried running Vista via any VM software. I thought if it were possible to run on top of Linux, such as replacing a fresh IMG for example if the primary IMG gets hosed might be less maintenance,etc. As you stated I m afraid you couldnt get enough ram sticks shoved inside the server to provide the amount of available ram to run many concurrent connections for Vista. I m just curious more than anything if this has been attempted in any school scenarios? The powers that be, would like to have a few pcs ( 20-25),with Vista for next school year,so was just pondering options. Thanks, Barry Cisna From maggardcomputing at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 15:06:42 2007 From: maggardcomputing at gmail.com (Shawn Maggard) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:06:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: thoughts on running vista through K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <461CAF34.DE74.0047.0@fordyceschools.org> References: <51656.172.28.8.55.1176301879.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <461CAF34.DE74.0047.0@fordyceschools.org> Message-ID: <27c92d660704110806h19a2440cu8f25fbb53ebf1fb0@mail.gmail.com> I don't want to turn this into a "Vista blast zone", but several clients here have went out and bought HPs and Dells and brought them to me just to show me the horrible performance and ask to purchase XP. I think Vista will be "better" in about 3 years when the hardware catches up. But for now, I see nothing in it that is worth the upgrade except for drivers that don't exist and horrible performance. On 4/11/07, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > > If I may chime in here....get the "powers that be" one true vista system > to play with and watch them recoil. My experience in these parts has been as > people get new computers for home they bring them to me to blow away and > stick XP on. They were begging for windows XP when it was the new thing. > However with Vista my users say to me "We're not going to have to use Vista > *here* are we?" > > They hate all the "stupid security popups" and the "stupid circle cursor > that won't go away" =) > > Thanks Microsoft for becoming so out of touch with your consumers that you > are inadvertently promoting alternative operating systems.... > > There's no way to rationally virtualize vista and get excellent > performance. Certainly not in a terminal environment. > > > Caleb Wagnon > Technology Coordinator > Fordyce Schools > > ____________________ > > >>> 4/11/2007 9:31 AM >>> > Levi, > > I was just trying to see if anyone had tried running Vista via any VM > software. I thought if it were possible to run on top of Linux, such as > replacing a fresh IMG for example if the primary IMG gets hosed might be > less maintenance,etc. As you stated I m afraid you couldnt get enough ram > sticks shoved inside the server to provide the amount of available ram to > run many concurrent connections for Vista. I m just curious more than > anything if this has been attempted in any school scenarios? The powers > that be, would like to have a few pcs ( 20-25),with Vista for next school > year,so was just pondering options. > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Shawn Maggard Maggard Computing http://maggardcomputing.com 931-629-6258 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Apr 11 15:27:06 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:27:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: thoughts on running vista through K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <461CAF34.DE74.0047.0@fordyceschools.org> References: <51656.172.28.8.55.1176301879.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <461CAF34.DE74.0047.0@fordyceschools.org> Message-ID: <461CFE4A.50207@cmosnetworks.com> I have been ordered to test a certain VPN client on Vista. Here is my verdict: Do not run Vista if you can possibly avoid it. Stay the hell away. Caleb's comments below are all correct, and here's another little tidbit. In order to run it--just the OS, nothing more--you need 512MB. To even *think* of running Microsoft Office on it, you need 1GB. To do anything useful, you need 2GB. One of our vendors just last night described to me how he needed 2GB to run their enterprise apps on Vista. STAY AWAY FROM VISTA. If you're going to give the "powers that be" a real Vista system, then do so...but Caleb's right, let 'em see what it's really like on a real, i. e. _non-fantasy_ system. Give 'em MS Office and whatever else they want...but only in 512MB DRAM. Why? That's all XP needed to be functional, right? Yes, indeed, let them see what it's *really* like. When they complain, just tell 'em it was sold as "Vista ready." I'm always amazed at these non-technical PHB's wanting to tell the techies how to do our jobs...when if we were to tell them how to teach, they would react as if we'd just committed an act of terrorism.... _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Caleb Wagnon wrote: > If I may chime in here....get the "powers that be" one true vista system to play with and watch them recoil. My experience in these parts has been as people get new computers for home they bring them to me to blow away and stick XP on. They were begging for windows XP when it was the new thing. However with Vista my users say to me "We're not going to have to use Vista *here* are we?" > > They hate all the "stupid security popups" and the "stupid circle cursor that won't go away" =) > > Thanks Microsoft for becoming so out of touch with your consumers that you are inadvertently promoting alternative operating systems.... > > There's no way to rationally virtualize vista and get excellent performance. Certainly not in a terminal environment. > > > Caleb Wagnon > Technology Coordinator > Fordyce Schools > > ____________________ > > >>>> 4/11/2007 9:31 AM >>> >>>> > Levi, > > I was just trying to see if anyone had tried running Vista via any VM > software. I thought if it were possible to run on top of Linux, such as > replacing a fresh IMG for example if the primary IMG gets hosed might be > less maintenance,etc. As you stated I m afraid you couldnt get enough ram > sticks shoved inside the server to provide the amount of available ram to > run many concurrent connections for Vista. I m just curious more than > anything if this has been attempted in any school scenarios? The powers > that be, would like to have a few pcs ( 20-25),with Vista for next school > year,so was just pondering options. > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't believe how impossible it is to explain to people that anytime you buy something technological you have basically committed to a new recurring expense just to maintain current levels of service. It's not like buying a new scoreboard or building a new school; it's like replacing a roof. Except that instead of lasting 15 or 20 years before you need a new one, you should expect it to start giving out in 5 or so. OK, enough of that rant; I'm talking to people who *know* what I'm complaining about.) So, we're getting a bunch of new computers. And they have Vista on them. And Office 2007. Which is a problem because all of our applications curriculum uses Office XP. And we can't buy new textbooks for five years because that's when the cycle comes back up. Anyway, you get the point. Oh, and mention thin clients as a way to spend all this state money and you get nowhere because they're not on the state's technology bid list. This is the same state technology department that set up a Windows Exchange Server that is performing so badly that it regularly takes teachers 45 seconds to *delete* an email, never mind actually read it. And that's when you can connect to the webserver at all. They've done the following: deleted all emails in our mailboxes over 30 days old (probably in violation of laws requiring that those emails be archived), deleted old email addresses from the system in place before the new one started, and optimized our inboxes (whatever that means). Perhaps unsurprisingly, things aren't much better, yet. They've taken the system down for another weekend, but we won't know if that did any good until everyone tries to access email after spring break. Can you tell I'm annoyed? Todd On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 10:06 -0500, Shawn Maggard wrote: > I don't want to turn this into a "Vista blast zone", but several > clients here have went out and bought HPs and Dells and brought them > to me just to show me the horrible performance and ask to purchase XP. > I think Vista will be "better" in about 3 years when the hardware > catches up. But for now, I see nothing in it that is worth the upgrade > except for drivers that don't exist and horrible performance. From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Apr 11 16:14:26 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:14:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] best way to distribute bookmarks to users In-Reply-To: <4219988b0704101027o3410bfd3i90f19e771dc9155f@mail.gmail.com> References: <461AF8DA.4040507@scheie.homedns.org> <20070410115001.GA9666@clubber.owens.net> <4219988b0704101027o3410bfd3i90f19e771dc9155f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461D0962.3060808@scheie.homedns.org> Do you know if there is a way to have a 'default' set of bookmarks that everyone gets, but then also allow each user to add his/her own bookmarks? The bookmarks the users add would not be shared, they'd just be individual. It seems to me there would need to be two bookmark files: the default one that everyone gets, and then each user's additional set of bookmarks. Is this possible? Petre Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > here is what we do: > > set pref for all users from a single firefox.cfg file ( > http://mit.edu/~firefox/www/maintainers/autoconfig.html > ) > > and the files we use... > /usr/local/firefox_2/bookmarks.html <<-- you general links :-) > /usr/local/firefox_2/ltsp-in-schools.cfg <<-- general configuration for > all users > /usr/local/firefox_2/defaults/pref/all.js <<-- tells firefox to use > ltsp-in-schools.cfg > > the contents of "all.js" > > pref('general.config.obscure_value', 0); > pref('general.config.filename ', 'ltsp-in-schools.cfg'); > > the contents of "ltsp-in-schools.cfg" > > // Set Cache Directory > //var env_user = getenv("USER"); > //var cache_dir = "/var/tmp/MozillaFirefox-" + env_user + "/Cache/"; > //lockPref('browser.cache.disk.parent_directory', cache_dir); > > // Security Settings > lockPref("signon.rememberSignons", false); > > // set local squid as default proxy > // squid is probably redirected through ISP's proxy for adult content > filtering ! > pref("network.proxy.http", "server.ltsp"); > pref("network.proxy.http_port", 3128); > pref("network.proxy.type",1); > // set school's home page > pref("browser.startup.page ",1); > pref('browser.startup.homepage','http://www.google.co.il/' > ); > // clear download bar when browser closes > pref("downbar.function.clearOnClose ",true); > // no crash recovery > pref("browser.sessionstore.enabled",false); > // adblock > pref("extensions.adblockplus.frameobjects",false); > pref("extensions.adblockplus.showintoolbar ",false); > pref("extensions.adblockplus.showsubscriptions",false); > pref("extensions.adblockplus.frameobjects",false); > // firefox updates > pref("extensions.update.enabled",false); > pref("extensions.update.notifyUser",false); > // language > pref("font.language.group","he"); > pref("intl.charset.default","ISO-8859-8"); > pref("intl.charsetmenu.browser.static ","ISO-8859-1, UTF-8, > ISO-8859-8-I, ISO-8859-8, windows-1255"); > pref("spellchecker.dictionary","he-IL"); > > // use kmail as email client for mailto: links > pref("network.protocol-handler.app.mailto ","kmailservice"); > > // use my fonts to display hebrew with nikod correctly > pref("browser.display.use_document_fonts",0); > > // one bookmarks.html file to all students :-) > pref(" browser.bookmarks.file","/usr/local/firefox_2/bookmarks.html"); > > > enjoy :-) > > > On 4/10/07, *Rob Owens* < rowens at ptd.net > wrote: > > bookmarks.html is actually a simple web page. So you could put a > copy of > it in a public folder and send everyone a link to it. When they open it > in Firefox, they'll see a text-like list of the teacher's links, and > they can click on each one to be brought to the corresponding web page. > > -Rob > > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 09:39:22PM -0500, Peter Scheie wrote: > > I swear someone just asked this question, but I can't find it in my > > archives. What is the best way for teachers to distribute Firefox > > bookmarks to students' accounts? I suppose I could tell the > teacher to > > get her bookmarks set the way she wants, and then give her a > script that > > copies her ~/.mozilla/firefox/*default/bookmarks.html to the same > place > > for each user. But that seems a bit clumsy. Anyone know a > better way? > > > > Petre > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 16:47:12 2007 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:47:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to extract music from flash page Message-ID: <8b88203f0704110947h60c4d739rbe9643e923a95910@mail.gmail.com> I've got a student who has asked how to extract music from a flash driven webpage. We can't even find reference to the file... at http://www.burjdubai.com/ Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steven at simplycircus.com Wed Apr 11 16:53:10 2007 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:53:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to extract music from flash page In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0704110947h60c4d739rbe9643e923a95910@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If its a flash video you can use the VideoDownloader extension to FF, then convert the resulting FLI file to an MPG movie, then extract the audio track from that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Christiansen Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:47 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] How to extract music from flash page I've got a student who has asked how to extract music from a flash driven webpage. We can't even find reference to the file... at http://www.burjdubai.com/ Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toddobryan at mac.com Wed Apr 11 19:02:18 2007 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:02:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Science probes with thin clients Message-ID: <1176318138.10559.3.camel@200-8143-202-01> The chemistry lab down the hall was just renovated thanks to a generous gift from some parents. Unfortunately, the money ran out before the computers could be bought. It's a perfect environment for thin clients, except that one of the big things that the teacher needs is the ability to interface with various kinds of probes and such. He tells me most of them use USB, but that leaves open the question of drivers and whether you can get them working on a thin client. Does anybody use thin clients in science labs with probes and other "science-y" equipment? Any success stories I could share? Thanks, Todd From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Wed Apr 11 19:40:52 2007 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:40:52 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Science=20probes=20with?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20thin=20clients?= In-Reply-To: <1176318138.10559.3.camel@200-8143-202-01> References: <1176318138.10559.3.camel@200-8143-202-01> Message-ID: <461D0184020000BB00003A8E@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Can you get a list of the maque and model of these usb probes? >>> "Todd O'Bryan" 2007-04-11 15:02:18 >>> The chemistry lab down the hall was just renovated thanks to a generous gift from some parents. Unfortunately, the money ran out before the computers could be bought. It's a perfect environment for thin clients, except that one of the big things that the teacher needs is the ability to interface with various kinds of probes and such. He tells me most of them use USB, but that leaves open the question of drivers and whether you can get them working on a thin client. Does anybody use thin clients in science labs with probes and other "science-y" equipment? Any success stories I could share? Thanks, Todd _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 20:24:46 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:24:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Downgrading software (Mysql 5 to Mysql 4) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560704111324n62bd1599x131438e76cdc9fde@mail.gmail.com> Hey Krsnendu, Did you evr solve your problem? I'm having the same difficulty in the installer.pl script: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) Except that I'm using fc4 and mysql-4.1.20-1.FC4.1. Peter On 1/31/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I have written once to this forum and twice to Koha forum without much success. > I am running K12LTSP-6 and I want to install Koha, the library > management system. Unfortunately Koha is not compatible with Mysql 5, > the version of Mysql in the yum repositories for Fedora Core 6. It is > easy enough to uninstall Mysql 5 using yum remove mysql-server but how > do I install version 4? > Do I enable the Fedora Core 4 repository and try to install using yum > or do I download the rpm and try to manually install, or do I build > from source. > When I tried the rpm method it complained of incompatible dependencies > like openssl for example. > > Tips greatly appreciated. I am stuck. > > Thanks. > Krsnendu dasa > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 11 20:44:57 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:44:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Downgrading software (Mysql 5 to Mysql 4) In-Reply-To: <9bd317560704111324n62bd1599x131438e76cdc9fde@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560704111324n62bd1599x131438e76cdc9fde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461D48C9.3020807@mesd.k12.or.us> Peter Hartmann wrote: > On 1/31/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: >> I am running K12LTSP-6 and I want to install Koha, the library >> management system. Unfortunately Koha is not compatible with Mysql 5, >> the version of Mysql in the yum repositories for Fedora Core 6. It is >> easy enough to uninstall Mysql 5 using yum remove mysql-server but how >> do I install version 4? >> Do I enable the Fedora Core 4 repository and try to install using yum >> or do I download the rpm and try to manually install, or do I build >> from source. >> When I tried the rpm method it complained of incompatible dependencies >> like openssl for example. > > Did you evr solve your problem? I'm having the same difficulty in the > installer.pl script: > > ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' > (using password: YES) > > Except that I'm using fc4 and mysql-4.1.20-1.FC4.1. If I were setting up a database that people might be using for a while, I'd probably be putting it on CentOS. As a bonus, CentOS 4 is still on MySQL 4.1, so there you go. Desktops -> Fedora Servers -> CentOS -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From rowens at ptd.net Wed Apr 11 21:01:59 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:01:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop coming up first Message-ID: <20070411210159.GA13773@clubber.owens.net> I came across this unresolved issue in the archives (see below) and I solved it by editing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screens.d/rdesktop and uncommenting the following lines near the bottom of the script: echo -n " Press to Login " read I hope this helps someone. -Rob On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:58:42 -0500, Joe Korzeniewski wrote > Just an observation. Although rdesktop runs like a dream as screen 02, > it has > been my experience that when the terminal boots, it will come up to > the rdp > login screen rather than the login screen for k12ltsp. No matter what > screen I > switch rdesktop to, it still comes up first. I have not personally got > sound > working on rdesktop, but I think I remember seeing it mentioned a > while back > on this list. If you solve the screen hogging issue, please let me > know! I think I actually solved it at last years NCLS, but I don't remember for sure. If it pops into my head I'll post back out to a new thread. If I remember right it actually is on screen 02 when it fires up it just so happens that it is the first session available so it is displayed. I think there was a switch or something to either delay the login of rdesktop so that the LTSP login won the race, or a switch to set screen 01 as the default to be shown. From toddobryan at mac.com Wed Apr 11 21:10:06 2007 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:10:06 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E?= : [K12OSN] Science probes with thin clients In-Reply-To: <461D0184020000BB00003A8E@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> References: <1176318138.10559.3.camel@200-8143-202-01> <461D0184020000BB00003A8E@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Message-ID: <1176325806.10559.32.camel@200-8143-202-01> I'll check with the chemistry teacher tomorrow... On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 15:40 -0400, Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Can you get a list of the maque and model of these usb probes? > > > >>> "Todd O'Bryan" 2007-04-11 15:02:18 >>> > > The chemistry lab down the hall was just renovated thanks to a > generous > gift from some parents. Unfortunately, the money ran out before the > computers could be bought. > > It's a perfect environment for thin clients, except that one of the > big > things that the teacher needs is the ability to interface with various > kinds of probes and such. He tells me most of them use USB, but that > leaves open the question of drivers and whether you can get them > working > on a thin client. > > Does anybody use thin clients in science labs with probes and other > "science-y" equipment? Any success stories I could share? > > Thanks, > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmccue at uvic.ca Wed Apr 11 21:19:01 2007 From: rmccue at uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:19:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Google Apps free for Schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You have to have either an Educational account, or an enterprise account. I don't know the technical details, as our legal clinic has only 15 users and doesn't use LDAP or Active Directory for authentication. Here's a page that describes the Single Sign On (SSO) at a high level: http://code.google.com/apis/apps/sso/saml_reference_implementation.html Rich On 4/6/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > On 06/04/07, Rich McCue wrote: > > Integration with existing infrastructure and organizational policy > > > > > > Does it integrate with LDAP? Yes. Can use @uvic.ca for google and non > > google accounts. > How do you use google with ldap? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Rich McCue Systems Administrator University of Victoria Faculty of Law http://law.uvic.ca/rmccue +1 250 472 4716 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 21:56:33 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:56:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Downgrading software (Mysql 5 to Mysql 4) In-Reply-To: <461D48C9.3020807@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <9bd317560704111324n62bd1599x131438e76cdc9fde@mail.gmail.com> <461D48C9.3020807@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9bd317560704111456n202bc867u4a275422b89f9c4a@mail.gmail.com> yeah except fedora (1,2 or 3) is what's recommended. On 4/11/07, Dan Young wrote: > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > On 1/31/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > >> I am running K12LTSP-6 and I want to install Koha, the library > >> management system. Unfortunately Koha is not compatible with Mysql 5, > >> the version of Mysql in the yum repositories for Fedora Core 6. It is > >> easy enough to uninstall Mysql 5 using yum remove mysql-server but how > >> do I install version 4? > >> Do I enable the Fedora Core 4 repository and try to install using yum > >> or do I download the rpm and try to manually install, or do I build > >> from source. > >> When I tried the rpm method it complained of incompatible dependencies > >> like openssl for example. > > > > Did you evr solve your problem? I'm having the same difficulty in the > > installer.pl script: > > > > ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' > > (using password: YES) > > > > Except that I'm using fc4 and mysql-4.1.20-1.FC4.1. > > If I were setting up a database that people might be using for a while, > I'd probably be putting it on CentOS. > > As a bonus, CentOS 4 is still on MySQL 4.1, so there you go. > > Desktops -> Fedora > Servers -> CentOS > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 11 22:03:04 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:03:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Downgrading software (Mysql 5 to Mysql 4) In-Reply-To: <9bd317560704111456n202bc867u4a275422b89f9c4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560704111324n62bd1599x131438e76cdc9fde@mail.gmail.com> <461D48C9.3020807@mesd.k12.or.us> <9bd317560704111456n202bc867u4a275422b89f9c4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461D5B18.9000309@mesd.k12.or.us> Peter Hartmann wrote: > On 4/11/07, Dan Young wrote: >> If I were setting up a database that people might be using for a while, >> I'd probably be putting it on CentOS. >> >> As a bonus, CentOS 4 is still on MySQL 4.1, so there you go. > > yeah except fedora (1,2 or 3) is what's recommended. RHEL 4 (and CentOS 4 by extension) was largely based on Fedora Core 3. They seem to recommend RHEL (or Debian) if you want a shelf life of longer than 12 months: http://www.kohadocs.org/Installing_Koha_on_Fedora.html#d0e70 -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From opensource at whitenitro.com Wed Apr 11 23:41:14 2007 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:41:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Open Source library Software In-Reply-To: <20070411154903.CAFF673860@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070411154903.CAFF673860@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Apr 11, 2007, at 11:49 AM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > I know this question has been posed before, but I'm looking at it > again. > Any updated feelings of folks on the best options for library > software. > thanks > Shane Hey Shane - I have done a couple of installs of OpenBiblio (http:// obiblio.sourceforge.net/) for small elementary school libraries that didn't have the $10K for the commercial option and felt that Koha was too much for them. I would be happy to answer any questions you have about the OpenBiblio install process. I also know that some of our (VT) smaller schools, with solid Internet access, have outsourced their library automation for a monthly fee to some company in California. Bryant Patten White Nitro, LLC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Apr 12 02:51:07 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:51:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu Edgy Eft on PowerPC server--some problems Message-ID: <461D9E9B.7090209@cmosnetworks.com> OK folks, I finally got around to trying out Edubuntu Edgy Eft on a dual-1.3GHz PowerPC box. I did a default Edubuntu install, no fancy stuff like I normally would do. :-) The server boots fine. The apps--Firefox, OO.o, TuxMath, and so on--work fine. However, it has some problems with the LTSP implementation. 1.) The /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file refers to a TFTP-boot path of /ltsp/i386, where pxelinux.0 is supposed to live. However, this path does not exist at all...anywhere...on the hard disk. Thinking that it might simply be a typo, I even did a "find / -name 'pxelinux.0' -print", and nada. 2.) The /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file points to an option root-path of /opt/ltsp/i386. However, there is only an /opt/ltsp/powerpc, which isn't referenced at all in dhcpd.conf. 3.) There is no apparent way to swap eth0 and eth1 like there is with Red Hat-type distros. The kernel views my 3Com 10/100 NIC as eth0 and the built-in Gig-E interface as eth1; these should be reversed. Yes, this one happens on x86 as well, and I know that Debian has this problem, too. Makes it kinda hard to PXE-boot thin clients when there are no TFTP boot files or pivot_root target. :-) Now, can I manually fix these issues and make the server boot some thin clients? Sure, of course. But for those who are considering using a PowerPC box (e. g. a multi-core Xserve, PowerMac G5, or IBM p-Series) as a LTSP server, be aware that if you use Edubuntu, you will be in for some manual, and non-trivial, tweaking afterwards. Shame, too, because I rather like the power efficiency and flexibility of PowerPC hardware. --TP From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 03:41:43 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:41:43 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Downgrading software (Mysql 5 to Mysql 4) In-Reply-To: <9bd317560704111324n62bd1599x131438e76cdc9fde@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560704111324n62bd1599x131438e76cdc9fde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I ended up going with Debian sarge as a VM in VMware server. Installed relatively easily. Apparently the new version (2.2.8?) of Koha is compatible with MySQL 5 now, but I agree that a library system is probably better on a more stable operating system like Debian so I am happy to have made the move. On 12/04/07, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Krsnendu, > Did you evr solve your problem? I'm having the same difficulty in the > installer.pl script: > > ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' > (using password: YES) > > > > Except that I'm using fc4 and mysql-4.1.20-1.FC4.1. > > > Peter > > > On 1/31/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > I have written once to this forum and twice to Koha forum without much success. > > I am running K12LTSP-6 and I want to install Koha, the library > > management system. Unfortunately Koha is not compatible with Mysql 5, > > the version of Mysql in the yum repositories for Fedora Core 6. It is > > easy enough to uninstall Mysql 5 using yum remove mysql-server but how > > do I install version 4? > > Do I enable the Fedora Core 4 repository and try to install using yum > > or do I download the rpm and try to manually install, or do I build > > from source. > > When I tried the rpm method it complained of incompatible dependencies > > like openssl for example. > > > > Tips greatly appreciated. I am stuck. > > > > Thanks. > > Krsnendu dasa > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Apr 12 07:55:20 2007 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:55:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] best way to distribute bookmarks to users In-Reply-To: <461D0962.3060808@scheie.homedns.org> References: <461AF8DA.4040507@scheie.homedns.org> <4219988b0704101027o3410bfd3i90f19e771dc9155f@mail.gmail.com> <461D0962.3060808@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <200704120855.20380.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 11 April 2007 17:14, Peter Scheie wrote: > Do you know if there is a way to have a 'default' set of bookmarks that > everyone gets, but then also allow each user to add his/her own bookmarks? > The bookmarks the users add would not be shared, they'd just be individual. > It seems to me there would need to be two bookmark files: the default one > that everyone gets, and then each user's additional set of bookmarks. Is > this possible? > > Petre For global bookmarks, what we do is have a desktop shortcut to the attached Perl/Tk script. You also need a file, in our case /usr/local/lib/hgsbookmarks setup as GCSE Revision|http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/ Linux Desktop Manual|http://www.iosn.net/training/end-user-manual OpenOffice Tutorials|http://inpics.net/ etc etc We leave individual booksmarks to the user. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Much to my surprise, I talked my principal into allowing me to get a new server! We're now working off of a used quad P4-2.5 GHz, 8GB Ram server, and it smokes compared to the quad P3-550MHz, 3gb server we were using! I downloaded the latest version of K12LTSP, and it's even eaiser than before. The only one question I have right now is for teachertool. I get a "connection refused" error when trying to monitor or control the workstations. I did some searching of archives, but didn't find the fix. I'm very happy it's now integrated into this distro. Thanks to Eric Harrison and others for continuing to work on this distro. Eric Brown From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Apr 12 15:17:03 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:17:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool in new setup Message-ID: <20070412081703.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.25d807f137.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Take a look at the setup instructions: http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/installationk12ltsp.html Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 (251) 363-3201 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool in new setup > From: "Eric Brown" > Date: Thu, April 12, 2007 9:48 am > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > > Hello all, > > I mailed last week about my server woes, which turned out to be bad > hard drives. Much to my surprise, I talked my principal into allowing > me to get a new server! We're now working off of a used quad P4-2.5 > GHz, 8GB Ram server, and it smokes compared to the quad P3-550MHz, 3gb > server we were using! > > I downloaded the latest version of K12LTSP, and it's even eaiser than > before. The only one question I have right now is for teachertool. I > get a "connection refused" error when trying to monitor or control the > workstations. I did some searching of archives, but didn't find the > fix. > > I'm very happy it's now integrated into this distro. Thanks to Eric > Harrison and others for continuing to work on this distro. > > Eric Brown > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Apr 12 15:44:33 2007 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:44:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool in new setup Message-ID: <57800.172.28.8.55.1176392673.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Eric, I had the exact same prob with one install like this, recently. K12LTSP v.5. This is not a real fix,but I think it will let your teachertool "work" with Monitor/Broadcast. DO; /usr/lib/teachertool-vncviewer --at a terminal You will be prompted for the terminal name you want to monitor ,,,then password you entered for the teachertool setup . You should get a working monitoring window of the terminal you choose. Now try both Monitor & Broadcast within the teachertool GUI. I think it will work for you. The only thing is you have to repeat this with each root login. This was on a default install of K12LTSP v5. with stock teachertool. I think it may be password related,but have not had time to revisit this box. Take Care, Barry Cisna From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Apr 12 15:48:13 2007 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:48:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool in new setup Message-ID: <58050.172.28.8.55.1176392893.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Eric, Correction DO; /usr/bin/teachertool-vncviewer Barry From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 16:42:11 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:12:11 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Science probes with thin clients In-Reply-To: <1176318138.10559.3.camel@200-8143-202-01> References: <1176318138.10559.3.camel@200-8143-202-01> Message-ID: <774593a20704120942y107fcf5s3726913913f19f0f@mail.gmail.com> On 12/04/07, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > The chemistry lab down the hall was just renovated thanks to a generous > gift from some parents. Unfortunately, the money ran out before the > computers could be bought. > > It's a perfect environment for thin clients, except that one of the big > things that the teacher needs is the ability to interface with various > kinds of probes and such. He tells me most of them use USB, but that > leaves open the question of drivers and whether you can get them working > on a thin client. > > Does anybody use thin clients in science labs with probes and other > "science-y" equipment? Any success stories I could share? I was waiting to see if some positive response could be forthcoming. However silence confirm what I suspect that it would be difficult to set up thin clients to take up probe connections. Not impossible but difficult. That said you should be able to run probes from fat desktops and even building a lab full of fat desktops running open source would still mean quite a cost saving. Hoping some one else has a solution for you. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From steven at simplycircus.com Thu Apr 12 16:46:17 2007 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:46:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Science probes with thin clients In-Reply-To: <774593a20704120942y107fcf5s3726913913f19f0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have connected a fair number of scientific tools to Linux (mostly dynos). I have had some that worked, and some that didn't work. Without knowing what scientific tools are involved, we can only guess. _____ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Sudev Barar > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:42 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Science probes with thin clients > > > On 12/04/07, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > The chemistry lab down the hall was just renovated thanks to a generous > > gift from some parents. Unfortunately, the money ran out before the > > computers could be bought. > > > > It's a perfect environment for thin clients, except that one of the big > > things that the teacher needs is the ability to interface with various > > kinds of probes and such. He tells me most of them use USB, but that > > leaves open the question of drivers and whether you can get them working > > on a thin client. > > > > Does anybody use thin clients in science labs with probes and other > > "science-y" equipment? Any success stories I could share? > > I was waiting to see if some positive response could be forthcoming. > However silence confirm what I suspect that it would be difficult to > set up thin clients to take up probe connections. Not impossible but > difficult. > That said you should be able to run probes from fat desktops and even > building a lab full of fat desktops running open source would still > mean quite a cost saving. > Hoping some one else has a solution for you. > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From nadavkav at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 17:32:10 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:32:10 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool in new setup In-Reply-To: <20070412081703.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.25d807f137.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070412081703.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.25d807f137.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4219988b0704121032o1046a24dl120ba63e754ee16e@mail.gmail.com> we had this issue before. look at the archives. you should download the srources of vncreflector , compile and install them. it fixes this issue :-) On 4/12/07, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > Take a look at the setup instructions: > > > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/installationk12ltsp.html > > > Ron > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > (251) 363-3201 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool in new setup > > From: "Eric Brown" > > Date: Thu, April 12, 2007 9:48 am > > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > Hello all, > > > > I mailed last week about my server woes, which turned out to be bad > > hard drives. Much to my surprise, I talked my principal into allowing > > me to get a new server! We're now working off of a used quad P4-2.5 > > GHz, 8GB Ram server, and it smokes compared to the quad P3-550MHz, 3gb > > server we were using! > > > > I downloaded the latest version of K12LTSP, and it's even eaiser than > > before. The only one question I have right now is for teachertool. I > > get a "connection refused" error when trying to monitor or control the > > workstations. 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Jr. wrote: > I will write up a document on this and email it to the list, then. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate > antivirus protection! > > > Huck wrote: >> Terrell...more info please? ;) >> >> --Huck >> >> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >>> Folks, >>> >>> I will first admit that this is somewhat off-topic from K12LTSP. >>> That said, schools could benefit from this. This is definitely >>> applicable for those of you who asked about using K12LTSP as an >>> email server for your students. >>> >>> We all know about the spam problem. Well, over this last week, I >>> have been playing with OpenBSD's spamd as a possible solution. >>> Basically, I put the spamd box in front of my (yes, GNU/Linux) email >>> server. I have now reduced the spam count in my inbox from close to >>> 200 a day down to...five. FIVE. This is without false positives. >>> I have verified that by studying my spamd logs all week and >>> comparing them to my real email server's logs. >>> >>> For those of you with small pipes to the Internet, this is >>> *definitely* something you might want to consider. It saves you >>> some bandwidth. >>> >>> If anyone's interested, let me know. >>> >>> --TP >>> _______________________________ >>> Do you GNU!? >>> Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate >>> antivirus protection! >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Thu Apr 12 18:36:02 2007 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:36:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] simple screensaver In-Reply-To: <200703290958.06373.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200703290958.06373.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <200704121336.03054.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Thursday 29 March 2007 09:58, Ray Garza wrote: > Anyone know of a simple screensaver such as a text scroller or text that > bounces around the screen? I would like to put them on a few card catalogs > so I don't expect them to take up a lot of bandwidth. I searched google and > there doesn't seem to much in the way of screen savers. > > Thanks, > > Ray > Ok I got my Card Catalogs running on K12LTSP 6 and configured it with Kiosk Admin Tool (I use KDE for the desktop). I set up a simple text scroller but all I get are blank screens. It doesn't matter which screensaver I choose, all I get is the blank screen at the end of the timer. I read in a posting that in K12LTSP 6 a blank screen is set by default. How do I go about changing that? I also found in /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/xscreensaver.sh that disables all screensavers. Is that what I modify to fix my problem? Ray From vince at totalsense.com Thu Apr 12 18:26:04 2007 From: vince at totalsense.com (Vince Callaway) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:26:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: just reduced spam by 95% with Free Software In-Reply-To: <461E77FF.3040706@cmosnetworks.com> References: <45BBC838.5060502@cmosnetworks.com> <45BD0311.70804@paasda.org> <45BD5882.8010400@cmosnetworks.com> <461E77FF.3040706@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1176402364.12750.1.camel@dbserver> I use a package called qmail toaster. (qmailtoaster.com) You can download a turn key ISO that uses centos as the OS and installs all the toaster apps. It is REALLY slick. From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Apr 12 21:07:10 2007 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:07:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Open Source library Software In-Reply-To: References: <20070411154903.CAFF673860@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <461E9F7E.2020808@hvja.org> Liblime will host Koha for you or you can buy an appliance from them...they converted all of our data and uploaded and verified it for $1k(our entire budget) after I setup the machine and koha... --Huck Bryant Patten wrote: > > On Apr 11, 2007, at 11:49 AM, k12osn-request at redhat.com > wrote: > >> I know this question has been posed before, but I'm looking at it again. >> >> Any updated feelings of folks on the best options for library >> software. >> >> thanks >> >> Shane >> > > Hey Shane - > > I have done a couple of installs of OpenBiblio > (http://obiblio.sourceforge.net/) for small elementary school > libraries that didn't have the $10K for the commercial option and felt > that Koha was too much for them. I would be happy to answer any > questions you have about the OpenBiblio install process. > > I also know that some of our (VT) smaller schools, with solid > Internet access, have outsourced their library automation for a > monthly fee to some company in California. > > > Bryant Patten > White Nitro, LLC > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Apr 12 20:49:46 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:49:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] version of K12LTSP Message-ID: <20070412134946.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.cd94652cbc.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Please excuse this elementary question. How can you tell what version of K12LTSP is loaded on a server? Thanks Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 (251) 363-3201 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 21:54:54 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:54:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] version of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20070412134946.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.cd94652cbc.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070412134946.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.cd94652cbc.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On 4/12/07, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Please excuse this elementary question. > > How can you tell what version of K12LTSP is loaded on a server? cat /etc/k12ltsp-release -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Apr 13 04:40:25 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:40:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: just reduced spam by 95% with Free Software In-Reply-To: <1176402364.12750.1.camel@dbserver> References: <45BBC838.5060502@cmosnetworks.com> <45BD0311.70804@paasda.org> <45BD5882.8010400@cmosnetworks.com> <461E77FF.3040706@cmosnetworks.com> <1176402364.12750.1.camel@dbserver> Message-ID: <461F09B9.8070209@cmosnetworks.com> Wow...this thing does indeed look slick! Goodness...combine the two and the spammers don't stand a chance, do they? :-) --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Vince Callaway wrote: > I use a package called qmail toaster. (qmailtoaster.com) You can > download a turn key ISO that uses centos as the OS and installs all the > toaster apps. It is REALLY slick. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 12:03:19 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:03:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: just reduced spam by 95% with Free Software In-Reply-To: <461E77FF.3040706@cmosnetworks.com> References: <45BBC838.5060502@cmosnetworks.com> <45BD0311.70804@paasda.org> <45BD5882.8010400@cmosnetworks.com> <461E77FF.3040706@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560704130503u7d71ca80q3cae9493505c4a42@mail.gmail.com> Wait....so how does it deal with false positives? is it that non-spam gets resent and then that makes it through? Thanks, Peter On 4/12/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > Here you go. Hope it helps someone. It's been two and a half months now, > and it sure helped me. > > PART I: > http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/28/1522252&tid=115 > > PART II: > http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/28/1631206 > > --TP > > > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! > > > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > I will write up a document on this and email it to the list, then. > > --TP > > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! > > > Huck wrote: > Terrell...more info please? ;) > > --Huck > > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > > Folks, > > I will first admit that this is somewhat off-topic from K12LTSP. That > said, schools could benefit from this. This is definitely applicable for > those of you who asked about using K12LTSP as an email server for your > students. > > We all know about the spam problem. Well, over this last week, I have been > playing with OpenBSD's spamd as a possible solution. Basically, I put the > spamd box in front of my (yes, GNU/Linux) email server. I have now reduced > the spam count in my inbox from close to 200 a day down to...five. FIVE. > This is without false positives. I have verified that by studying my spamd > logs all week and comparing them to my real email server's logs. > > For those of you with small pipes to the Internet, this is *definitely* > something you might want to consider. It saves you some bandwidth. > > If anyone's interested, let me know. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 13 13:16:42 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:16:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: just reduced spam by 95% with Free Software In-Reply-To: <1176402364.12750.1.camel@dbserver> References: <45BBC838.5060502@cmosnetworks.com> <45BD0311.70804@paasda.org> <45BD5882.8010400@cmosnetworks.com> <461E77FF.3040706@cmosnetworks.com> <1176402364.12750.1.camel@dbserver> Message-ID: <20070413131614.M96476@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:26:04 -0700, Vince Callaway wrote > I use a package called qmail toaster. (qmailtoaster.com) You can > download a turn key ISO that uses centos as the OS and installs all the > toaster apps. It is REALLY slick. Can you post the link to the turn key ISO? I can't seem to find a link to it on the qmailtoaster website. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rowens at ptd.net Fri Apr 13 14:05:37 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (rowens at ptd.net) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:05:37 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS instead of /etc/hosts Message-ID: Sorry for the dumb question, but... I'm installing K12LTSP (1 nic setup) on an existing Windows network (with Active Directory). The LTSP box will be handling DHCP. I *think* it's best for me to use DNS instead of assigning names in /etc/hosts, because I have multiple Windows servers and a handful of standalone Linux boxes. I'll also have some printers attached to the thin clients. Do I need to add DNS entries manually for my entire dynamic IP range? (currently I'm using Windows DNS, by the way). -Rob From vince at totalsense.com Fri Apr 13 14:15:36 2007 From: vince at totalsense.com (Vince Callaway) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:15:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: just reduced spam by 95% with Free Software In-Reply-To: <20070413131614.M96476@winonacotter.org> References: <45BBC838.5060502@cmosnetworks.com> <45BD0311.70804@paasda.org> <45BD5882.8010400@cmosnetworks.com> <461E77FF.3040706@cmosnetworks.com> <1176402364.12750.1.camel@dbserver> <20070413131614.M96476@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <461F9088.4090909@totalsense.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Can you post the link to the turn key ISO? I can't seem to find a link to it on the > qmailtoaster website. > http://qtp.qmailtoaster.com/iso/ From rowens at ptd.net Fri Apr 13 14:21:38 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (rowens at ptd.net) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:21:38 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux boxes can't get to internet Message-ID: I switched DHCP services from my Active Directory domain controller to my LTSP box (still using Windows DNS). Now my standalone Linux boxes can't access the internet or Windows network shares. All the Windows boxes work fine, and the thin clients work fine. Any ideas what I screwed up? -Rob From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 14:36:47 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:06:47 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux boxes can't get to internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20704130736v35572a44ucfae289ff654b916@mail.gmail.com> On 13/04/07, rowens at ptd.net wrote: > I switched DHCP services from my Active Directory domain controller to my LTSP > box (still using Windows DNS). Now my standalone Linux boxes can't access the > internet or Windows network shares. All the Windows boxes work fine, and the > thin clients work fine. Any ideas what I screwed up? > most likely you need to set ip_forward = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf (I am on debian system right now and this may be slightly different in RH?Fedora box) You will need to restart networking after editing this. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Apr 13 14:49:37 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:49:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: just reduced spam by 95% with Free Software In-Reply-To: <9bd317560704130503u7d71ca80q3cae9493505c4a42@mail.gmail.com> References: <45BBC838.5060502@cmosnetworks.com> <45BD0311.70804@paasda.org> <45BD5882.8010400@cmosnetworks.com> <461E77FF.3040706@cmosnetworks.com> <9bd317560704130503u7d71ca80q3cae9493505c4a42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461F9881.3050208@cmosnetworks.com> There are no false positives; that's the beauty of it. OpenBSD spamd doesn't analyze the email content in the way that, say, SpamAssassin would do, so it doesn't care what kind of content is in an email. Rather, it judges whether *the sender itself* is a spammer. Legitimate email from a sender whose IP address isn't blocked by your blacklist will *always* make it through. That's because legitimate email servers always follow RFC 821 and try again after getting initially greylisted. Only mailers that "pump and dump", i. e. send once and don't bother trying again (a quite blatant violation of RFC 821) will not get past a greylist. Who practices this silliness? You guessed it, spammers. There's an important note here. As some people have correctly pointed out, greylisting definitely helps, but it is not *by itself* a complete solution, nor was it meant to be. This is why OpenBSD spamd also includes something called "greytrapping", as well as tarpitting. I make very effective use of greytrapping, and it has cut down my spam so much, it's incredible. The tarpitting also makes quite a few "pump and dump" spammers disconnect the SMTP session and go away. Legitimate mailers will not have a problem, only spammers. The "Part I" link goes into some detail about this. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Peter Hartmann wrote: > Wait....so how does it deal with false positives? is it that non-spam > gets resent and then that makes it through? > > Thanks, > Peter > > On 4/12/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: >> >> Here you go. Hope it helps someone. It's been two and a half >> months now, >> and it sure helped me. >> >> PART I: >> http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/28/1522252&tid=115 >> >> PART II: >> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/28/1631206 >> >> --TP >> >> >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! >> >> >> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> I will write up a document on this and email it to the list, then. >> >> --TP >> >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! >> >> >> Huck wrote: >> Terrell...more info please? ;) >> >> --Huck >> >> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> I will first admit that this is somewhat off-topic from K12LTSP. That >> said, schools could benefit from this. This is definitely applicable >> for >> those of you who asked about using K12LTSP as an email server for your >> students. >> >> We all know about the spam problem. Well, over this last week, I >> have been >> playing with OpenBSD's spamd as a possible solution. Basically, I >> put the >> spamd box in front of my (yes, GNU/Linux) email server. I have now >> reduced >> the spam count in my inbox from close to 200 a day down to...five. >> FIVE. >> This is without false positives. I have verified that by studying my >> spamd >> logs all week and comparing them to my real email server's logs. >> >> For those of you with small pipes to the Internet, this is *definitely* >> something you might want to consider. It saves you some bandwidth. >> >> If anyone's interested, let me know. >> >> --TP >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus >> protection! >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> ________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please wait. ---> Downloading header for xorg-x11-resutils to pack into transaction set. http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/xorg-x11-resutils-7.1-2.fc6.i386.rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 403: Content-type: text/html Trying other mirror. Error: failure: i386/Fedora/RPMS/xorg-x11-resutils-7.1-2.fc6.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root at libraryltsp ~]# -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any ideas what I screwed up? >> > > most likely you need to set ip_forward = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf (I am > on debian system right now and this may be slightly different in > RH?Fedora box) You will need to restart networking after editing this. Here's the general way to do it with any Linux-based system, be it Slackware, Red Hat, *ubuntu, whatever: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward This assumes that your standalone Linux boxes are on the LTSP client subnet. You will also have to turn on IP masquerading, which should already be on by default, I believe. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Apr 13 14:57:06 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:57:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Fail xscreensaver-base In-Reply-To: <43080f460704130751m67ffd5d0r310f114a040cd4d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460704130751m67ffd5d0r310f114a040cd4d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461F9A42.3020704@cmosnetworks.com> A "403" error means "forbidden" or "access denied". It looks like an issue on the yum repository itself, specifically, a permissions issue. Either file permissions or the Web server's settings can cause this. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Mel Wade wrote: > Any ideas why this would be failing? > > [root at libraryltsp ~]# yum install xscreensaver-base > Loading "installonlyn" plugin > Setting up Install Process > Setting up repositories > Reading repository metadata in from local files > Parsing package install arguments > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package xscreensaver-base.i386 1:5.01-6.fc6 set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: xorg-x11-resutils for package: > xscreensaver-base > --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Downloading header for xorg-x11-resutils to pack into transaction > set. > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/xorg-x11-resutils-7.1-2.fc6.i386.rpm > : > [Errno 14] HTTP Error 403: Content-type: text/html > > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: i386/Fedora/RPMS/xorg-x11-resutils-7.1-2.fc6.i386.rpm > from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > [root at libraryltsp ~]# > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mistrz.linux at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 15:12:08 2007 From: mistrz.linux at yahoo.com (EJBoshinski) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Fail xscreensaver-base Message-ID: <748462.13090.qm@web58602.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I was having the same errors yesterday afternoon with that server. Apparently it was offline for awhile. I tried a yum install just a while ago and it completed fine... -ejb ----- Original Message ---- From: Mel Wade To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:51:38 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Fail xscreensaver-base Any ideas why this would be failing? [root at libraryltsp ~]# yum install xscreensaver-base Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Install Process Setting up repositories Reading repository metadata in from local files Parsing package install arguments Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package xscreensaver-base.i386 1:5.01-6.fc6 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: xorg-x11-resutils for package: xscreensaver-base --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for xorg-x11-resutils to pack into transaction set. http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/xorg-x11-resutils-7.1-2.fc6.i386.rpm : [Errno 14] HTTP Error 403: Content-type: text/html Trying other mirror. Error: failure: i386/Fedora/RPMS/xorg-x11-resutils-7.1-2.fc6.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root at libraryltsp ~]# -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 13 15:14:54 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:14:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux boxes can't get to internet In-Reply-To: <461F999A.2050407@cmosnetworks.com> References: <774593a20704130736v35572a44ucfae289ff654b916@mail.gmail.com> <461F999A.2050407@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <461F9E6E.7000505@mesd.k12.or.us> ? wrote: > Sudev Barar wrote: >> most likely you need to set ip_forward = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf (I am >> on debian system right now and this may be slightly different in >> RH?Fedora box) You will need to restart networking after editing this. > > Here's the general way to do it with any Linux-based system, be it > Slackware, Red Hat, *ubuntu, whatever: > > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Eric has a helper initscript to do this installed by default on K12LTSP: service nat start chkconfig --levels 345 nat on -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mel at melwade.com Fri Apr 13 14:59:04 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:59:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Fail xscreensaver-base In-Reply-To: <461F9A42.3020704@cmosnetworks.com> References: <43080f460704130751m67ffd5d0r310f114a040cd4d2@mail.gmail.com> <461F9A42.3020704@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <43080f460704130759n6703907cmebfac9c9af8d4464@mail.gmail.com> Yes. There must be something wrong with the server as I tried a general "yum update" and got the same error on another package. Mel On 4/13/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > A "403" error means "forbidden" or "access denied". It looks like an > issue on the yum repository itself, specifically, a permissions issue. > Either file permissions or the Web server's settings can cause this. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > Mel Wade wrote: > > Any ideas why this would be failing? > > [root at libraryltsp ~]# yum install xscreensaver-base > Loading "installonlyn" plugin > Setting up Install Process > Setting up repositories > Reading repository metadata in from local files > Parsing package install arguments > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package xscreensaver-base.i386 1:5.01-6.fc6 set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: xorg-x11-resutils for package: > xscreensaver-base > --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Downloading header for xorg-x11-resutils to pack into transaction > set. > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/xorg-x11-resutils-7.1-2.fc6.i386.rpm > : [Errno 14] HTTP Error 403: Content-type: text/html > > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: i386/Fedora/RPMS/xorg-x11-resutils-7.1-2.fc6.i386.rpm from > k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > [root at libraryltsp ~]# > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Fri Apr 13 15:48:53 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:48:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: <461F9E6E.7000505@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <774593a20704130736v35572a44ucfae289ff654b916@mail.gmail.com><461F999A.2050407@cmosnetworks.com> <461F9E6E.7000505@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq Proliant 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced it to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left viewing maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution in the installation? Or should I start over and go command line installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again will pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a PCI video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? Levi > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Dan Young > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:15 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux boxes can't get to internet > > ? wrote: > > Sudev Barar wrote: > >> most likely you need to set ip_forward = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf (I am > >> on debian system right now and this may be slightly different in > >> RH?Fedora box) You will need to restart networking after editing this. > > > > Here's the general way to do it with any Linux-based system, be it > > Slackware, Red Hat, *ubuntu, whatever: > > > > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > Eric has a helper initscript to do this installed by default on K12LTSP: > > service nat start > chkconfig --levels 345 nat on > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From tom at pcc.com Fri Apr 13 15:54:11 2007 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:54:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP authentication Message-ID: <461FA7A3.7080602@pcc.com> Hey everybody! I am using K12LTSP v6. on one machine and rhes 3u7 on another exporting /home and auth via LDAP. I changed the LTSP machine to LDAP auth with authconfig. LDAP users can't log onto thin clients, but they can log on to the LTSP virtual terminals. What's wrong? Thanks From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 13 15:54:14 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:54:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: References: <774593a20704130736v35572a44ucfae289ff654b916@mail.gmail.com><461F999A.2050407@cmosnetworks.com> <461F9E6E.7000505@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <461FA7A6.5060806@mesd.k12.or.us> Kemp, Levi wrote: > Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq Proliant > 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced it > to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left viewing > maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution in > the installation? Or should I start over and go command line > installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again will > pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a PCI > video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mel at melwade.com Fri Apr 13 15:55:18 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:55:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Fail xscreensaver-base In-Reply-To: <748462.13090.qm@web58602.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <748462.13090.qm@web58602.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43080f460704130855m52988804g8721f4675e7ed53e@mail.gmail.com> What ports does YUM use? 80? 23? ? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What's /etc/pam.d/gdm look like? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mel at melwade.com Fri Apr 13 16:05:10 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:05:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Ports Message-ID: <43080f460704130905s7e7106e3m83a0b175affd2831@mail.gmail.com> Does Yum use ports other than 80? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 13 16:21:55 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:21:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Ports In-Reply-To: <43080f460704130905s7e7106e3m83a0b175affd2831@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460704130905s7e7106e3m83a0b175affd2831@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461FAE23.5010503@mesd.k12.or.us> Mel Wade wrote: > Does Yum use ports other than 80? If the repository it's pointing at is ftp or http on a non-standard port. No reason you couldn't do: baseurl=http://example.com:8080/foo/ I guess the majority are http on port 80, though. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From tom at pcc.com Fri Apr 13 16:27:33 2007 From: tom at pcc.com (tom at pcc.com) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP authentication In-Reply-To: <461FA873.5000504@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <461FA7A3.7080602@pcc.com> <461FA873.5000504@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <49886.10.10.0.136.1176481653.squirrel@mail2.pcc.com> #%PAM-1.0 auth required pam_env.so auth include system-auth account required pam_nologin.so account include system-auth password include system-auth session optional pam_keyinit.so force revoke session include system-auth session required pam_loginuid.so session optional pam_console.so From mel at melwade.com Fri Apr 13 16:28:24 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:28:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Ports In-Reply-To: <461FAE23.5010503@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460704130905s7e7106e3m83a0b175affd2831@mail.gmail.com> <461FAE23.5010503@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43080f460704130928v21c24620sad6ccad765e85df@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, I'm trying to eliminate any reason for a problem on this end. I have port 80 and 23 open http should work. Must be something in the repostory since yum fails each time with a 503 error. On 4/13/07, Dan Young wrote: > > Mel Wade wrote: > > Does Yum use ports other than 80? > > If the repository it's pointing at is ftp or http on a non-standard > port. No reason you couldn't do: > > baseurl=http://example.com:8080/foo/ > > I guess the majority are http on port 80, though. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You're other messages indicated a 403, not a 503. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 16:50:59 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:50:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS instead of /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2be970b50704130950t17a25efcu3b39c829b5c3caa2@mail.gmail.com> Hi Rob, If you are talking about DNS names for LTSP thin-clients, I am pretty sure that LTSP sets those up for you automagically in dhcpd.conf John On 4/13/07, rowens at ptd.net wrote: > Sorry for the dumb question, but... > > I'm installing K12LTSP (1 nic setup) on an existing Windows network (with > Active Directory). The LTSP box will be handling DHCP. I *think* it's best > for me to use DNS instead of assigning names in /etc/hosts, because I have > multiple Windows servers and a handful of standalone Linux boxes. I'll also > have some printers attached to the thin clients. > > Do I need to add DNS entries manually for my entire dynamic IP range? > (currently I'm using Windows DNS, by the way). > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mel at melwade.com Fri Apr 13 16:51:24 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:51:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Ports In-Reply-To: <461FB121.1020904@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460704130905s7e7106e3m83a0b175affd2831@mail.gmail.com> <461FAE23.5010503@mesd.k12.or.us> <43080f460704130928v21c24620sad6ccad765e85df@mail.gmail.com> <461FB121.1020904@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43080f460704130951h6069408bm294d70b642c28178@mail.gmail.com> Yep. typo. On 4/13/07, Dan Young wrote: > Mel Wade wrote: > > Thanks, I'm trying to eliminate any reason for a problem on this end. I > > have port 80 and 23 open http should work. Must be something in the > > repostory since yum fails each time with a 503 error. > > You're other messages indicated a 403, not a 503. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From mel at melwade.com Fri Apr 13 16:53:16 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:53:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Fail xscreensaver-base In-Reply-To: <27A61C5F-CC9E-4E51-8A2A-D6FA95E68D59@breun.nl> References: <748462.13090.qm@web58602.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <43080f460704130855m52988804g8721f4675e7ed53e@mail.gmail.com> <27A61C5F-CC9E-4E51-8A2A-D6FA95E68D59@breun.nl> Message-ID: <43080f460704130953n3686804eqe0e1eab78d90d563@mail.gmail.com> I'm going through an IPcop firewall with Dansguardian. I think that is where the problem might lie. I just need to find it now. On 4/13/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > Mel Wade wrote: > > > What ports does YUM use? 80? 23? ? > > Depends on the protocols that your repositories use. > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 13 16:55:55 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:55:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Fail xscreensaver-base In-Reply-To: <43080f460704130751m67ffd5d0r310f114a040cd4d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460704130751m67ffd5d0r310f114a040cd4d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461FB61B.2030909@mesd.k12.or.us> Mel Wade wrote: > ---> Downloading header for xorg-x11-resutils to pack into transaction set. > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/xorg-x11-resutils-7.1-2.fc6.i386.rpm > : > [Errno 14] HTTP Error 403: Content-type: text/html The repo was down for a while yesterday. Can you: cd /tmp wget \ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/xorg-x11-resutils-7.1-2.fc6.i386.rpm Sorry for the long line, you get the idea. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 13 19:16:27 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:16:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] open source grading apps Message-ID: <461FD70B.6000500@paasda.org> As often as this topic comes up...I thought I'd share what I stumbled upon today... http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Educational/Teachers_Help/Gradebooks/ --Huck From rowens at ptd.net Fri Apr 13 21:11:57 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:11:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux boxes can't get to internet In-Reply-To: <774593a20704130736v35572a44ucfae289ff654b916@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20704130736v35572a44ucfae289ff654b916@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070413211157.GA18586@clubber.owens.net> On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 08:06:47PM +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 13/04/07, rowens at ptd.net wrote: > >I switched DHCP services from my Active Directory domain controller to my > >LTSP > >box (still using Windows DNS). Now my standalone Linux boxes can't access > >the > >internet or Windows network shares. All the Windows boxes work fine, and > >the > >thin clients work fine. Any ideas what I screwed up? > > > > most likely you need to set ip_forward = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf (I am > on debian system right now and this may be slightly different in > RH?Fedora box) You will need to restart networking after editing this. Boy am I dumb. I had the gateway set to the wrong machine in dhcpd.conf. The strange thing is that the windows machines did not seem to be affected by this. They still had access to the internet. Anyway, it's fixed now. Thanks for the advice. -Rob From rowens at ptd.net Fri Apr 13 21:14:04 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:14:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS instead of /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <2be970b50704130950t17a25efcu3b39c829b5c3caa2@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50704130950t17a25efcu3b39c829b5c3caa2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070413211404.GB18586@clubber.owens.net> Yes, I am talking about the names for the thin clients. But my dhcp server will also be handing out names to windows clients, and some of those windows clients will need to be accessible by hostname (for sharing printers and so forth). The default setup will have all those machines being known as "ws001", etc. by the LTSP server. I expect this will cause trouble, but maybe I'm wrong. -Rob On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:50:59AM -0700, john wrote: > Hi Rob, > > If you are talking about DNS names for LTSP thin-clients, I am pretty > sure that LTSP sets those up for you automagically in dhcpd.conf > > John > > On 4/13/07, rowens at ptd.net wrote: > >Sorry for the dumb question, but... > > > >I'm installing K12LTSP (1 nic setup) on an existing Windows network (with > >Active Directory). The LTSP box will be handling DHCP. I *think* it's > >best > >for me to use DNS instead of assigning names in /etc/hosts, because I have > >multiple Windows servers and a handful of standalone Linux boxes. I'll > >also > >have some printers attached to the thin clients. > > > >Do I need to add DNS entries manually for my entire dynamic IP range? > >(currently I'm using Windows DNS, by the way). > > > >-Rob > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 13 21:29:45 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:29:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS instead of /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <20070413211404.GB18586@clubber.owens.net> References: <2be970b50704130950t17a25efcu3b39c829b5c3caa2@mail.gmail.com> <20070413211404.GB18586@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <461FF649.7050402@futuresource.com> Rob Owens wrote: > Yes, I am talking about the names for the thin clients. But my dhcp > server will also be handing out names to windows clients, and some of > those windows clients will need to be accessible by hostname (for > sharing printers and so forth). The default setup will have all those > machines being known as "ws001", etc. by the LTSP server. I expect this > will cause trouble, but maybe I'm wrong. There is a mechanism for DHCP assigned clients to register their own hostnames into DNS but I've never trusted it and think that if a machine is going to be providing services it should have a static IP and a fixed address in DNS. You can do this without hand-configuring the machines if you make the DNS entries tie the names to addresses, then use host entries in your dhcpd.conf file with: host somename { hardware ethernet 00:30:c1:01:ce:1d; fixed-address somename_from_dns; ... any other options; } That way they will always get the name you associated with the address and you only have to keep track of IP address changes in the DNS zone file. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rowens at ptd.net Fri Apr 13 22:59:52 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:59:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS instead of /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <461FF649.7050402@futuresource.com> References: <2be970b50704130950t17a25efcu3b39c829b5c3caa2@mail.gmail.com> <20070413211404.GB18586@clubber.owens.net> <461FF649.7050402@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20070413225952.GA18784@clubber.owens.net> On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 04:29:45PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > >Yes, I am talking about the names for the thin clients. But my dhcp > >server will also be handing out names to windows clients, and some of > >those windows clients will need to be accessible by hostname (for > >sharing printers and so forth). The default setup will have all those > >machines being known as "ws001", etc. by the LTSP server. I expect this > >will cause trouble, but maybe I'm wrong. > > There is a mechanism for DHCP assigned clients to register their own > hostnames into DNS but I've never trusted it and think that if a machine > is going to be providing services it should have a static IP and a fixed > address in DNS. I've been looking into this a bit, and it looks like there are some complications with having Linux DHCP updating a Windows DNS server. I don't completely understand all the complications, but I guess I'd better avoid that route. > You can do this without hand-configuring the machines > if you make the DNS entries tie the names to addresses, then use host > entries in your dhcpd.conf file with: > > host somename { > hardware ethernet 00:30:c1:01:ce:1d; > fixed-address somename_from_dns; > ... any other options; > } > > That way they will always get the name you associated with the address > and you only have to keep track of IP address changes in the DNS zone file. This is probably what I'll end up doing. In the case of standalone Windows machines with a shared printer attached, do I need to specify a static IP address? I'm under the impression that Windows machines don't use IP address or DNS name to find other Windows machines--I think they use some sort of Microsoft-specific voodoo, but I might be wrong. Thanks for the advice guys. -Rob From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 13 23:17:42 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:17:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS instead of /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <20070413225952.GA18784@clubber.owens.net> References: <2be970b50704130950t17a25efcu3b39c829b5c3caa2@mail.gmail.com> <20070413211404.GB18586@clubber.owens.net> <461FF649.7050402@futuresource.com> <20070413225952.GA18784@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <46200F96.7080904@futuresource.com> Rob Owens wrote: >> That way they will always get the name you associated with the address >> and you only have to keep track of IP address changes in the DNS zone file. > > This is probably what I'll end up doing. In the case of standalone > Windows machines with a shared printer attached, do I need to specify a > static IP address? I'm under the impression that Windows machines don't > use IP address or DNS name to find other Windows machines--I think they > use some sort of Microsoft-specific voodoo, but I might be wrong. Yes, Windows uses some magic to broadcast Netbios names around. Whether it works or not depends on whether you are on the same subnet or have a common WINS server assigned - and it isn't happy if different people choose the same names for their boxes. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From rowens at ptd.net Fri Apr 13 23:47:05 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:47:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS instead of /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <20070413225952.GA18784@clubber.owens.net> References: <2be970b50704130950t17a25efcu3b39c829b5c3caa2@mail.gmail.com> <20070413211404.GB18586@clubber.owens.net> <461FF649.7050402@futuresource.com> <20070413225952.GA18784@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <20070413234705.GA19117@clubber.owens.net> Oh and one more question. For my dynamic dhcp range, I guess I should go into the DNS server and assign hostnames to each IP address in the dynamic range, right? (This would be instead of assigning them in /etc/hosts) Thanks again. -Rob On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 06:59:52PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 04:29:45PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Rob Owens wrote: > > >Yes, I am talking about the names for the thin clients. But my dhcp > > >server will also be handing out names to windows clients, and some of > > >those windows clients will need to be accessible by hostname (for > > >sharing printers and so forth). The default setup will have all those > > >machines being known as "ws001", etc. by the LTSP server. I expect this > > >will cause trouble, but maybe I'm wrong. > > > > There is a mechanism for DHCP assigned clients to register their own > > hostnames into DNS but I've never trusted it and think that if a machine > > is going to be providing services it should have a static IP and a fixed > > address in DNS. > > I've been looking into this a bit, and it looks like there are some > complications with having Linux DHCP updating a Windows DNS server. I > don't completely understand all the complications, but I guess I'd > better avoid that route. > > > You can do this without hand-configuring the machines > > if you make the DNS entries tie the names to addresses, then use host > > entries in your dhcpd.conf file with: > > > > host somename { > > hardware ethernet 00:30:c1:01:ce:1d; > > fixed-address somename_from_dns; > > ... any other options; > > } > > > > That way they will always get the name you associated with the address > > and you only have to keep track of IP address changes in the DNS zone file. > > This is probably what I'll end up doing. In the case of standalone > Windows machines with a shared printer attached, do I need to specify a > static IP address? I'm under the impression that Windows machines don't > use IP address or DNS name to find other Windows machines--I think they > use some sort of Microsoft-specific voodoo, but I might be wrong. > > Thanks for the advice guys. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 14 01:36:27 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:36:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS instead of /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <20070413234705.GA19117@clubber.owens.net> References: <2be970b50704130950t17a25efcu3b39c829b5c3caa2@mail.gmail.com> <20070413211404.GB18586@clubber.owens.net> <461FF649.7050402@futuresource.com> <20070413225952.GA18784@clubber.owens.net> <20070413234705.GA19117@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <4620301B.8020008@futuresource.com> Rob Owens wrote: > Oh and one more question. For my dynamic dhcp range, I guess I should > go into the DNS server and assign hostnames to each IP address in the > dynamic range, right? (This would be instead of assigning them in > /etc/hosts) Yes, the /etc/hosts entries are only know too the server (and the programs the thin clients run there). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 07:59:24 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:59:24 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting sound working in Impress. Was: OpenOffice Listens to the Users I guess Message-ID: I thought it would help to start a new thread for this topic as I didn't get a reply to my last email. The thread is included bottom posted. BTW. I have noticed that sound in impress works in Ubuntu Edgy using gstreamer. Is that also an option in Fedora 6? Thanks. Krsnendu dasa > > > > > JRE is installed but it needs JMF to run the multimedia. I tried > > > > > installing it but got errors. Not sure what to do now. I am using > > > > > K12LTSP 6 (Fedora 6) > > > > > These are my errors. > > > > > > > > > > [root at k12ltsp1 install]# sh ./jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin > > > > > > > > > > JavaTM Media Framework (JMF) 2.1.x > > > > > Binary Code License Agreement > > > > > ... > > > > > Do you agree to the above license terms? [yes or no] > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > Permit recording from an applet? (see readme.html) [yes or no] > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > Permit writing local files from an applet? (recommend no, see > > > > > readme.html) [yes or no] > > > > > yes > > > > > Unpacking... > > > > > tail: cannot open `+309' for reading: No such file or directory > > > > > Extracting... > > > > > ./install.sfx.11154: line 1: ==: No such file or directory > > > > > ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `)' > > > > > ./install.sfx.11154: line 3: > > > > > > > > > > > `5???3??n?N?_?^????[UQU599??;????r????_????KK)C{<>???< > > > > > > > > > > 88?$??????,????i?????V~?mn.?7w^???,?; M??`? ?A$D????? > > > > @ > > > > > ??wA' > > > > > [root at k12ltsp1 install]# > > > > > > > > > > When I try to run the install again it just exits immediately. > > > > > Can anyone help? (I can show the strace output for anyone who is > > > > interested.) > > > > > We are planning to do slideshows this term and sound is considered > > > > > essential by the principal. > > On 10/04/07, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > search "tail" for RedHat EL 4 and get an RPM package called mini-busybox > > download it, open it (as if it is an archive) don't install it. > > and get the application "tail" > > now, put the tail application on the same folder you have jre install > > package, and run the install > > ( it will use the "tail" you just got) On 11/04/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I was having difficulty installing using the bin file. (the strace > output is listed at the end.) > I tried putting tail in the same directory as the jmf.bin file. Is > this right, or should it go somewhere else (/usr/share/java/...) > > > The following method looked promising so I tried it. > http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=50506&view=next > Installing using RPMbuild. > After setting up .bashrc /etc/profile I was able to get to the stage > where the webbrowser diagnostic test came up with "All java build. > Native libraries not found." > ( I wasn't sure exactly where to put the setenv lines--.bashrc or /etc/profile) > > I can run JMediaPlayer (using the fix given in the previous email) but > it won't open mpg movies or mp3 or ogg or wav or anything I try to > open. It is the same with Openoffice Impress. It always says "The > format of the selected file is not supported." I have set the > classpath to the jmf.jar file. > > I thought I should try rebuilding the rpm file using the linux > optimized zip file. It said something on the Sun website that the all > java build doesn't support the sound api. > > Any suggestions: > Should I try to fix and use the .bin installation method, or should I > try the rpmbuild method rebuilding the file using linux optimized > files? > > I appreciate the help. I hope to get this sorted soon. > > Thanks. > Krsnendu dasa Here is the strace output. [root at k12ltsp1 jmf]# strace sh jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin execve("/bin/sh", ["sh", "jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin"], [/* 43 vars */]) = 0 brk(0) = 0x8445000 access("/etc/ld.so.preload", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY) = 3 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=69439, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 69439, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xb7fa7000 close(3) = 0 open("/lib/libtermcap.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\260\353"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=13276, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7fa6000 mmap2(0x490e000, 14760, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0) = 0x490e000 mmap2(0x4911000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x2) = 0x4911000 close(3) = 0 open("/lib/libdl.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0000\33u"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=16528, ...}) = 0 mmap2(0x751000, 12408, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0) = 0x751000 mmap2(0x753000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x1) = 0x753000 close(3) = 0 open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0p\360_\000"..., 512) = 512 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=1576920, ...}) = 0 mmap2(0x5e9000, 1295780, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0) = 0x5e9000 mmap2(0x720000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x137) = 0x720000 mmap2(0x723000, 9636, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x723000 close(3) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7fa5000 set_thread_area({entry_number:-1 -> 6, base_addr:0xb7fa56c0, limit:1048575, seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0, limit_in_pages:1, seg_not_present:0, useable:1}) = 0 mprotect(0x753000, 4096, PROT_READ) = 0 mprotect(0x720000, 8192, PROT_READ) = 0 mprotect(0x5e5000, 4096, PROT_READ) = 0 munmap(0xb7fa7000, 69439) = 0 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0 open("/dev/tty", O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 close(3) = 0 brk(0) = 0x8445000 brk(0x8466000) = 0x8466000 open("/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=55561840, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 2097152, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xb7da5000 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0xdc0) = 0xb7fb7000 close(3) = 0 getuid32() = 0 getgid32() = 0 geteuid32() = 0 getegid32() = 0 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0 time(NULL) = 1176282650 open("/proc/meminfo", O_RDONLY) = 3 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7fb6000 read(3, "MemTotal: 2074844 kB\nMemFre"..., 1024) = 823 close(3) = 0 munmap(0xb7fb6000, 4096) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGQUIT, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_IGN}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGQUIT, {SIG_IGN}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGQUIT, {SIG_IGN}, {SIG_IGN}, 8) = 0 uname({sys="Linux", node="k12ltsp1.harekrishna.school.nz", ...}) = 0 stat64("/root/install/jmf", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0 stat64(".", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0 getpid() = 27639 open("/usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules.cache", O_RDONLY) = 3 fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=25460, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 25460, PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED, 3, 0) = 0xb7fb0000 close(3) = 0 getppid() = 27638 stat64(".", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0 stat64("/usr/kerberos/sbin/sh", 0xbf9b8560) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/usr/kerberos/bin/sh", 0xbf9b8560) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/usr/local/sbin/sh", 0xbf9b8560) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/usr/local/bin/sh", 0xbf9b8560) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/sbin/sh", 0xbf9b8560) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/bin/sh", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=722684, ...}) = 0 access("/bin/sh", X_OK) = 0 access("/bin/sh", R_OK) = 0 stat64("/bin/sh", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=722684, ...}) = 0 access("/bin/sh", X_OK) = 0 access("/bin/sh", R_OK) = 0 getpgrp() = 27638 rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {0x8079d00, [], 0}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0 open("jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 ioctl(3, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0xbf9b8568) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) _llseek(3, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR) = 0 read(3, "", 80) = 0 _llseek(3, 0, [0], SEEK_SET) = 0 getrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE, {rlim_cur=1024, rlim_max=1024}) = 0 dup2(3, 255) = 255 close(3) = 0 fcntl64(255, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 fcntl64(255, F_GETFL) = 0x8000 (flags O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) fstat64(255, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 _llseek(255, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR) = 0 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0 read(255, "", 1) = 0 exit_group(0) = ? Process 27639 detached [root at k12ltsp1 jmf]# From nadavkav at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 08:42:35 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:42:35 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] best way to distribute bookmarks to users In-Reply-To: <200704120855.20380.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <461AF8DA.4040507@scheie.homedns.org> <4219988b0704101027o3410bfd3i90f19e771dc9155f@mail.gmail.com> <461D0962.3060808@scheie.homedns.org> <200704120855.20380.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <4219988b0704140142m6a54ae00w2795e42cb163a088@mail.gmail.com> the bookmarks.html file in the firefox's root folder is copied to all new users and newly made profiles for the first time as template on which any user can add their bookmarks later. __it is done only once ! on a fresh created profile.__ On 4/12/07, Martin Woolley wrote: > > On Wednesday 11 April 2007 17:14, Peter Scheie wrote: > > Do you know if there is a way to have a 'default' set of bookmarks that > > everyone gets, but then also allow each user to add his/her own > bookmarks? > > The bookmarks the users add would not be shared, they'd just be > individual. > > It seems to me there would need to be two bookmark files: the default > one > > that everyone gets, and then each user's additional set of > bookmarks. 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The IBM's have a Cirrus Logic display adapter and I have set the XSERVER to "Cirrus" in my lts.conf file. I have several old Dell 15 inch LCD monitors -- (different models, but all support 1024 x 768 @ 60 hz which is also set in lts.conf)-- I am using with these systems, however, one of them will not boot. When this particular machine, using a Dell 1501 FP LCD monitor, attempts to boot, I get a message that the monitor is entering sleep mode right after my etherboot disk begins to load and it just continues to cycle through this sequence. The same machine will boot with another monitor attached, and this same monitor runs attached to a Windows machine. Sorry if it's a noob question, but does anyone have some advice what to change or correct? Thanks, Bob Hill From sbarar at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 00:44:45 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 06:14:45 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] LCD Monitor Booting Problem In-Reply-To: <46215ADB.4090400@mail.com> References: <46215ADB.4090400@mail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20704141744w14b57887r2b0444199218b25a@mail.gmail.com> On 15/04/07, Bob Hill wrote: > When this particular machine, using a Dell 1501 FP LCD monitor, attempts > to boot, I get a message that the monitor is entering sleep mode right > after my etherboot disk begins to load and it just continues to cycle > through this sequence. The same machine will boot with another monitor > attached, and this same monitor runs attached to a Windows machine. > Sorry if it's a noob question, but does anyone have some advice what to > change or correct? You need to create and edit the section for this particular machine in the lts.conf file, Try with vesa driver first and then work your way up. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From lists.john at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 21:42:33 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:42:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommendations needed for the most server for $4k Message-ID: <2be970b50704151442m4f6590cbu27828e7515733d27@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I've been given the go-ahead to spec a really robust server to serve 60+ thin clients. My budget is 4k and the ideal server would handle (without breaking a sweat) one lab of 18 clients, as well as 30+ individual workstations scattered around the school. I have been looking at offerings from Dell and HP as well as building my own on NewEgg and TigerDirect but still haven't found a really roaring box. I've been concentrating on AMD Duel core, 16 Gig capable mobo's with high performance SATA drives (no backplane). Has anyone purchased the "perfect" server for LTSP recently? I'd really appreciate pointer in the right direction. Thanks, as always, for the sage advice! John From toddobryan at mac.com Mon Apr 16 03:20:58 2007 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:20:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommendations needed for the most server for $4k In-Reply-To: <2be970b50704151442m4f6590cbu27828e7515733d27@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50704151442m4f6590cbu27828e7515733d27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1176693658.5015.12.camel@tobryan1-laptop> If you search the list archives, I'm pretty happy with the server I just built and am almost positive I posted the specs. For about $2000, it was 4GB RAM and two dual-core Opterons. 2 caveats: quieter fans and get lots of RAM. I used SATA drives which have been fine running 30 clients. I also purchased from eWiz.com. They were actually a little cheaper than NewEgg. Todd On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 14:42 -0700, john wrote: > Hi All, > > I've been given the go-ahead to spec a really robust server to serve > 60+ thin clients. My budget is 4k and the ideal server would handle > (without breaking a sweat) one lab of 18 clients, as well as 30+ > individual workstations scattered around the school. > > I have been looking at offerings from Dell and HP as well as building > my own on NewEgg and TigerDirect but still haven't found a really > roaring box. I've been concentrating on AMD Duel core, 16 Gig capable > mobo's with high performance SATA drives (no backplane). > > Has anyone purchased the "perfect" server for LTSP recently? I'd > really appreciate pointer in the right direction. > > Thanks, as always, for the sage advice! > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From minnebo.jordy at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 07:32:48 2007 From: minnebo.jordy at gmail.com (Jordy Minnebo) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:32:48 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe? Message-ID: <103abc3b0704160032l6256c4c4va6cebfa51746419d@mail.gmail.com> Hello Iv'e got a HP t5500 Thin client, how can I boot this client? Ethernet NIC 10/100 Base T Fast Ethernet NIC http://www.square1.nl/solutions/nl/HPmatrix%20-%20nl.htm But how can I boot it? I Don't have a floppy can anybody explain how PXE works? Best Regards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ericbrow at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 11:51:01 2007 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:51:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommendations needed for the most server for $4k In-Reply-To: <1176693658.5015.12.camel@tobryan1-laptop> References: <2be970b50704151442m4f6590cbu27828e7515733d27@mail.gmail.com> <1176693658.5015.12.camel@tobryan1-laptop> Message-ID: I hope this isn't taken as spam, but I just recently purchased a server from Stallard Technologies (http://www.stikc.com/). They sell good used servers for reasonable prices. We just bought a quad Xeon 2.5 GHz machine with 8GB ram for under $3000. This includes a gob of hard drive space and a few gigabit nics. If you go to their website, you can put one together with the options you desire. I think they also have educational pricing if you contact them. I'm only running 20 clients, but they run very quickly. I believe I have the capacity to run a second lab without problems. Eric On 4/15/07, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > If you search the list archives, I'm pretty happy with the server I just > built and am almost positive I posted the specs. For about $2000, it was > 4GB RAM and two dual-core Opterons. > > 2 caveats: quieter fans and get lots of RAM. > > I used SATA drives which have been fine running 30 clients. > > I also purchased from eWiz.com. They were actually a little cheaper than > NewEgg. > > Todd > > On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 14:42 -0700, john wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I've been given the go-ahead to spec a really robust server to serve > > 60+ thin clients. My budget is 4k and the ideal server would handle > > (without breaking a sweat) one lab of 18 clients, as well as 30+ > > individual workstations scattered around the school. > > > > I have been looking at offerings from Dell and HP as well as building > > my own on NewEgg and TigerDirect but still haven't found a really > > roaring box. I've been concentrating on AMD Duel core, 16 Gig capable > > mobo's with high performance SATA drives (no backplane). > > > > Has anyone purchased the "perfect" server for LTSP recently? I'd > > really appreciate pointer in the right direction. > > > > Thanks, as always, for the sage advice! > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pxeboot at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 12:30:24 2007 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:30:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe? In-Reply-To: <103abc3b0704160032l6256c4c4va6cebfa51746419d@mail.gmail.com> References: <103abc3b0704160032l6256c4c4va6cebfa51746419d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: For a detailed explanation of PXE, visit http://www.pxe.ca On 4/16/07, Jordy Minnebo wrote: > > Hello > > Iv'e got a HP t5500 Thin client, how can I boot this client? > > > Ethernet NIC 10/100 Base T Fast Ethernet NIC http://www.square1.nl/solutions/nl/HPmatrix%20-%20nl.htm > > > But how can I boot it? I Don't have a floppy > can anybody explain how PXE works? > > Best Regards > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes PXE Guru -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pxeboot at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 12:35:50 2007 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:35:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe? In-Reply-To: <103abc3b0704160032l6256c4c4va6cebfa51746419d@mail.gmail.com> References: <103abc3b0704160032l6256c4c4va6cebfa51746419d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jordy, I suspect that your thin client already has a PXE Boot Agent onboard. To enable it, simply go into your system BIOS and change the Boot Order (sometimes called Boot Priority) so that MBA or UNDI or Network Boot is listed as the first device. PXE is client/server implementation. So to facilitate a successful PXE network boot requires the presence of a PXE server. For a detailed explanation of PXE, visit http://www.pxe.ca On 4/16/07, Jordy Minnebo wrote: > > Hello > > Iv'e got a HP t5500 Thin client, how can I boot this client? > > > Ethernet NIC 10/100 Base T Fast Ethernet NIC http://www.square1.nl/solutions/nl/HPmatrix%20-%20nl.htm > > > But how can I boot it? I Don't have a floppy > can anybody explain how PXE works? > > Best Regards > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes PXE Guru -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Mon Apr 16 16:08:41 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:08:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Laptops Message-ID: <46235946.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Hello World! I have purchased two Neoware M100 laptops to review. One is linux based, the other windows XPe. These boot off a flash card into a gui where you can setup connections to a remote desktop, nx, or citrix, etc. the advantage is the battery and wireless. can anyone suggest what the best solution would be for this? I am only used to PXE booting and running a thin client that way. Thanks Daniel From tom at pcc.com Mon Apr 16 16:24:54 2007 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:24:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP authentication In-Reply-To: <49886.10.10.0.136.1176481653.squirrel@mail2.pcc.com> References: <461FA7A3.7080602@pcc.com> <461FA873.5000504@mesd.k12.or.us> <49886.10.10.0.136.1176481653.squirrel@mail2.pcc.com> Message-ID: <4623A356.9030403@pcc.com> I rebooted today and all of a sudden it just started working! tom at pcc.com wrote: > #%PAM-1.0 > auth required pam_env.so > auth include system-auth > account required pam_nologin.so > account include system-auth > password include system-auth > session optional pam_keyinit.so force revoke > session include system-auth > session required pam_loginuid.so > session optional pam_console.so > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pnelson.k12 at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 17:03:16 2007 From: pnelson.k12 at gmail.com (Paul Nelson) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:03:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe? In-Reply-To: <103abc3b0704160032l6256c4c4va6cebfa51746419d@mail.gmail.com> References: <103abc3b0704160032l6256c4c4va6cebfa51746419d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <508f42dc0704161003k34462b2ctb662daa5e704a0e5@mail.gmail.com> On 4/16/07, Jordy Minnebo wrote: > > Hello > > Iv'e got a HP t5500 Thin client, how can I boot this client? > snip...... Is it a problem with PXE or is it the problem with the current ltsp_i386-boot package included in K12LTSP? If you're client seems to get its IP address but fails as soon as it boots and installs the via-rhine driver and brings up the card... then you may need to go back to the last known working version that will boot this card. My HP t5000 has this problem. See this post (that went unanswered...) https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-April/msg00035.html Try this simple fix: download ltsp_i386-boot-2.6.16-2.k12ltsp.5.0.0.i386.rpmfrom ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/old-kernel/ and install it with: rpm -Uvh --oldpackage ltsp_i386-boot-2.6.16-2.k12ltsp.5.0.0.i386.rpm This should get your HP txxxx clients up and running. The question I still have is why is this so? Is there something we can do to help repair this broken package? ;-) Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Mon Apr 16 17:49:06 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:49:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: <461FA7A6.5060806@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <774593a20704130736v35572a44ucfae289ff654b916@mail.gmail.com><461F999A.2050407@cmosnetworks.com> <461F9E6E.7000505@mesd.k12.or.us> <461FA7A6.5060806@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Unfortunately Linux Vesa didn't work but I have the Array setup properly now so I don't have as many issues getting it to boot to CD. Occasionally I have to put in a floppy with no boot image so it asks me to put in a System Disk, but that's not a big issue. I'm trying a different video card now, hopefully that will clear this up. I hope that 1Gig of RAM on this 450 server will work ok. I have another 450 CPU in the mail. Is this going to be powerful enough to run many clients? Levi lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Dan Young > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > > Kemp, Levi wrote: > > Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq Proliant > > 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced it > > to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left viewing > > maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution in > > the installation? Or should I start over and go command line > > installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again will > > pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a PCI > > video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? > > Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Mon Apr 16 20:35:18 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:35:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: <461FA7A6.5060806@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <774593a20704130736v35572a44ucfae289ff654b916@mail.gmail.com><461F999A.2050407@cmosnetworks.com> <461F9E6E.7000505@mesd.k12.or.us> <461FA7A6.5060806@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Well, after installing a PCI video card I was able to get through an entire installation. Both NICs were recognized; even the raid array was seen and used as it had been setup for just one drive. I rebooted, the server tried as always to PXE boot then asked me to hit H to boot from the hard drive. At which time it then told me Non-System disk or disk error. There is nothing in the floppy or CD drive, or even the tape drives. Anyone have a thought as to what may have gone wrong? I'm about to give up on this server, I was hoping that with maxing the RAM in it I could get a decent LTSP set up for nearly zero cost as we have more than enough iPaqs for clients and this server is just collecting dust. Levi > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Dan Young > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > > Kemp, Levi wrote: > > Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq Proliant > > 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced it > > to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left viewing > > maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution in > > the installation? Or should I start over and go command line > > installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again will > > pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a PCI > > video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? > > Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From steven at simplycircus.com Mon Apr 16 20:57:51 2007 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:57:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Easy answer: install another boot device. For whatever reason, you can't boot to the RAID array. I have had enough RAID issues in the past to know that sometimes it just won't work. Keep hunting down why, but to make it just work install another boot device. Install a cheep IDE drive, bootable USB stick, something, anything else that you can use to boot to the point that Linux can use that RAID array. _____ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Kemp, Levi > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:35 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > > > Well, after installing a PCI video card I was able to get through an > entire installation. Both NICs were recognized; even the raid array was > seen and used as it had been setup for just one drive. I rebooted, the > server tried as always to PXE boot then asked me to hit H to boot from > the hard drive. At which time it then told me Non-System disk or disk > error. There is nothing in the floppy or CD drive, or even the tape > drives. Anyone have a thought as to what may have gone wrong? I'm about > to give up on this server, I was hoping that with maxing the RAM in it I > could get a decent LTSP set up for nearly zero cost as we have more than > enough iPaqs for clients and this server is just collecting dust. > > Levi > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > Behalf Of Dan Young > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 AM > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > > > > Kemp, Levi wrote: > > > Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq > Proliant > > > 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced it > > > to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left > viewing > > > maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution in > > > the installation? Or should I start over and go command line > > > installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again will > > > pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a PCI > > > video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? > > > > Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". > > > > -- > > Dan Young > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Mon Apr 16 21:54:14 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:54:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well I was hoping to be able to use the faster speeds of the SCSI drives, but I guess I can just use them as storage. Thanks for the advice. Levi > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Steven Santos > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:58 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > > Easy answer: install another boot device. > > For whatever reason, you can't boot to the RAID array. I have had enough > RAID issues in the past to know that sometimes it just won't work. Keep > hunting down why, but to make it just work install another boot device. > Install a cheep IDE drive, bootable USB stick, something, anything else > that > you can use to boot to the point that Linux can use that RAID array. > > _____ > > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 617-527-0667 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > > Behalf Of Kemp, Levi > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:35 PM > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > > > > > > Well, after installing a PCI video card I was able to get through an > > entire installation. Both NICs were recognized; even the raid array was > > seen and used as it had been setup for just one drive. I rebooted, the > > server tried as always to PXE boot then asked me to hit H to boot from > > the hard drive. At which time it then told me Non-System disk or disk > > error. There is nothing in the floppy or CD drive, or even the tape > > drives. Anyone have a thought as to what may have gone wrong? I'm about > > to give up on this server, I was hoping that with maxing the RAM in it I > > could get a decent LTSP set up for nearly zero cost as we have more than > > enough iPaqs for clients and this server is just collecting dust. > > > > Levi > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > > Behalf Of Dan Young > > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 AM > > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > > > > > > Kemp, Levi wrote: > > > > Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq > > Proliant > > > > 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced it > > > > to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left > > viewing > > > > maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution in > > > > the installation? Or should I start over and go command line > > > > installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again will > > > > pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a PCI > > > > video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? > > > > > > Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". > > > > > > -- > > > Dan Young > > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > > 503-257-1562 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Tue Apr 17 03:21:34 2007 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:21:34 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070417062134.019dibbtcc0skssw@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> I think you could boot from a boot manager on an ide drive or usb stick etc pointing to your raid as system disk. I agree with Steven; booting from those old raid arrays is sometimes really difficult. I have on old HP server that was able to boot K12LTSP4, not able with K12LTSP5 and again able with ver6... Mikko Jordman Lainaus "Kemp, Levi" : > Well I was hoping to be able to use the faster speeds of the SCSI > drives, but I guess I can just use them as storage. Thanks for the > advice. > > Levi > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Steven Santos >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:58 PM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >> >> Easy answer: install another boot device. >> >> For whatever reason, you can't boot to the RAID array. I have had > enough >> RAID issues in the past to know that sometimes it just won't work. > Keep >> hunting down why, but to make it just work install another boot > device. >> Install a cheep IDE drive, bootable USB stick, something, anything > else >> that >> you can use to boot to the point that Linux can use that RAID array. >> >> _____ >> >> Steven Santos >> Director, Simply Circus, Inc. >> Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com >> Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road >> Newton, MA 02462 >> Phone: 617-527-0667 >> Web: www.SimplyCircus.com >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >> > Behalf Of Kemp, Levi >> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:35 PM >> > To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >> > >> > >> > Well, after installing a PCI video card I was able to get through an >> > entire installation. Both NICs were recognized; even the raid array > was >> > seen and used as it had been setup for just one drive. I rebooted, > the >> > server tried as always to PXE boot then asked me to hit H to boot > from >> > the hard drive. At which time it then told me Non-System disk or > disk >> > error. There is nothing in the floppy or CD drive, or even the tape >> > drives. Anyone have a thought as to what may have gone wrong? I'm > about >> > to give up on this server, I was hoping that with maxing the RAM in > it I >> > could get a decent LTSP set up for nearly zero cost as we have more > than >> > enough iPaqs for clients and this server is just collecting dust. >> > >> > Levi >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > On >> > > Behalf Of Dan Young >> > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 AM >> > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >> > > >> > > Kemp, Levi wrote: >> > > > Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq >> > Proliant >> > > > 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced > it >> > > > to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left >> > viewing >> > > > maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution > in >> > > > the installation? Or should I start over and go command line >> > > > installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again > will >> > > > pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a > PCI >> > > > video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? >> > > >> > > Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Dan Young >> > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >> > > 503-257-1562 >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > K12OSN mailing list >> > > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > > For more info see >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From seveneleven at lycos.de Tue Apr 17 08:54:25 2007 From: seveneleven at lycos.de (Michael) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:54:25 +0000 Subject: AW: [K12OSN] pb vlc Message-ID: <191918192113635@lycos-europe.com> Hello, Iver got the same problems with vlc. It runs on the server but not on the clients. Have you got an idea ? Michael Stefanjuk > Von: "OLIVIER ROYER" > An: k12osn at redhat.com > Betreff: [K12OSN] pb vlc > Datum: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:20:32 +0100 > Hello > I installed VLC on K12ltsp FC5. > VLC works on the server. But it doesn't work on the thin client. The > application closes immediately. > Who resolved this problem ? > (I want to use VLC to streaming video) > Thanks > > Olivier ROYER > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <>http://www.k12os.org> Benachrichtigung bei E-Mail Empfang! - http://mail.lycos.de/app/lycosinside/setupLI.exe From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 13:07:00 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:07:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] pb vlc In-Reply-To: <191918192113635@lycos-europe.com> References: <191918192113635@lycos-europe.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560704170607m11341c36q45d7c8501e444d1f@mail.gmail.com> Try running vlc from the command line to troubleshoot. Try addding a -v (verbose) to get more info. It's probably defaulting to a video output that isn't working. On the terminals we have to use Simple DirectMedia Layer Output. Peter On 4/17/07, Michael wrote: > Hello, Iver got the same problems with vlc. It runs on the server but not on the clients. Have you got an idea ? > > Michael Stefanjuk > > > > > Von: "OLIVIER ROYER" > > An: k12osn at redhat.com > > Betreff: [K12OSN] pb vlc > > Datum: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:20:32 +0100 > > > Hello > > I installed VLC on K12ltsp FC5. > > VLC works on the server. But it doesn't work on the thin client. The > > application closes immediately. > > Who resolved this problem ? > > (I want to use VLC to streaming video) > > Thanks > > > > Olivier ROYER > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see <>http://www.k12os.org> > > Benachrichtigung bei E-Mail Empfang! - http://mail.lycos.de/app/lycosinside/setupLI.exe > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Apr 17 13:19:52 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:19:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4624C978.7080708@scheie.homedns.org> You will get the faster speed of the SCSI drives: booting from an IDE drive is just to start the process and load the driver for the SCSI array. Use the IDE disk for /boot and put everything else onto the array. You might even be able to get /boot onto the array, but that takes more wrestling with grub. Since /boot isn't really read after the system is up and running, putting that onto the IDE disk would be simplest and still get you what you want. Petre Kemp, Levi wrote: > Well I was hoping to be able to use the faster speeds of the SCSI > drives, but I guess I can just use them as storage. Thanks for the > advice. > > Levi > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Steven Santos >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:58 PM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >> >> Easy answer: install another boot device. >> >> For whatever reason, you can't boot to the RAID array. I have had > enough >> RAID issues in the past to know that sometimes it just won't work. > Keep >> hunting down why, but to make it just work install another boot > device. >> Install a cheep IDE drive, bootable USB stick, something, anything > else >> that >> you can use to boot to the point that Linux can use that RAID array. >> >> _____ >> >> Steven Santos >> Director, Simply Circus, Inc. >> Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com >> Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road >> Newton, MA 02462 >> Phone: 617-527-0667 >> Web: www.SimplyCircus.com >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>> Behalf Of Kemp, Levi >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:35 PM >>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>> >>> >>> Well, after installing a PCI video card I was able to get through an >>> entire installation. Both NICs were recognized; even the raid array > was >>> seen and used as it had been setup for just one drive. I rebooted, > the >>> server tried as always to PXE boot then asked me to hit H to boot > from >>> the hard drive. At which time it then told me Non-System disk or > disk >>> error. There is nothing in the floppy or CD drive, or even the tape >>> drives. Anyone have a thought as to what may have gone wrong? I'm > about >>> to give up on this server, I was hoping that with maxing the RAM in > it I >>> could get a decent LTSP set up for nearly zero cost as we have more > than >>> enough iPaqs for clients and this server is just collecting dust. >>> >>> Levi >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > On >>>> Behalf Of Dan Young >>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 AM >>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>> >>>> Kemp, Levi wrote: >>>>> Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq >>> Proliant >>>>> 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced > it >>>>> to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left >>> viewing >>>>> maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution > in >>>>> the installation? Or should I start over and go command line >>>>> installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again > will >>>>> pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a > PCI >>>>> video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? >>>> Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dan Young >>>> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >>>> 503-257-1562 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Apr 17 13:34:21 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:34:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] are games installed via one or two bundles? Message-ID: <4624CCDD.3010703@scheie.homedns.org> The tech at the school installed K12LTSP 5 on some servers, but left out most of the apps under Edutainment and Games. Fixing the Edutainment section was just a matter of installing the kdeedu package. Is there a similar 'bundle' for the items under Games? At the moment, there's only one item listed there, GCompris, I think. Petre From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Apr 17 14:27:39 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:27:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: <4624C978.7080708@scheie.homedns.org> References: <4624C978.7080708@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: Ok that makes more sense. Now I just need to get an IDE hard drive in that case and use it for /boot and use the SCSI array for /swap and /home. That doesn't sound too complicated, the worst part will be getting the drive in the server. Thanks. Levi > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Peter Scheie > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:20 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > > You will get the faster speed of the SCSI drives: booting from an IDE > drive is just to > start the process and load the driver for the SCSI array. Use the IDE > disk for /boot > and put everything else onto the array. You might even be able to get > /boot onto the > array, but that takes more wrestling with grub. Since /boot isn't really > read after the > system is up and running, putting that onto the IDE disk would be simplest > and still get > you what you want. > > Petre > > Kemp, Levi wrote: > > Well I was hoping to be able to use the faster speeds of the SCSI > > drives, but I guess I can just use them as storage. Thanks for the > > advice. > > > > Levi > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > >> Behalf Of Steven Santos > >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:58 PM > >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. > >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > >> > >> Easy answer: install another boot device. > >> > >> For whatever reason, you can't boot to the RAID array. I have had > > enough > >> RAID issues in the past to know that sometimes it just won't work. > > Keep > >> hunting down why, but to make it just work install another boot > > device. > >> Install a cheep IDE drive, bootable USB stick, something, anything > > else > >> that > >> you can use to boot to the point that Linux can use that RAID array. > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> Steven Santos > >> Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > >> Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > >> Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > >> Newton, MA 02462 > >> Phone: 617-527-0667 > >> Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > >> > >> > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > >>> Behalf Of Kemp, Levi > >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:35 PM > >>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. > >>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > >>> > >>> > >>> Well, after installing a PCI video card I was able to get through an > >>> entire installation. Both NICs were recognized; even the raid array > > was > >>> seen and used as it had been setup for just one drive. I rebooted, > > the > >>> server tried as always to PXE boot then asked me to hit H to boot > > from > >>> the hard drive. At which time it then told me Non-System disk or > > disk > >>> error. There is nothing in the floppy or CD drive, or even the tape > >>> drives. Anyone have a thought as to what may have gone wrong? I'm > > about > >>> to give up on this server, I was hoping that with maxing the RAM in > > it I > >>> could get a decent LTSP set up for nearly zero cost as we have more > > than > >>> enough iPaqs for clients and this server is just collecting dust. > >>> > >>> Levi > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > > On > >>>> Behalf Of Dan Young > >>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 AM > >>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. > >>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > >>>> > >>>> Kemp, Levi wrote: > >>>>> Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq > >>> Proliant > >>>>> 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced > > it > >>>>> to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left > >>> viewing > >>>>> maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution > > in > >>>>> the installation? Or should I start over and go command line > >>>>> installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again > > will > >>>>> pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a > > PCI > >>>>> video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? > >>>> Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Dan Young > >>>> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > >>>> 503-257-1562 > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> K12OSN mailing list > >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>> For more info see > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nils at breun.nl Tue Apr 17 14:38:39 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:38:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] are games installed via one or two bundles? In-Reply-To: <4624CCDD.3010703@scheie.homedns.org> References: <4624CCDD.3010703@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <951896C7-629B-4E43-97F6-9B072BBC47A5@breun.nl> Peter Scheie wrote: > The tech at the school installed K12LTSP 5 on some servers, but > left out most of the apps under Edutainment and Games. Fixing the > Edutainment section was just a matter of installing the kdeedu > package. Is there a similar 'bundle' for the items under Games? At > the moment, there's only one item listed there, GCompris, I think. Install the kdegames package for the KDE desktop. You can install the Gnome games by installing gnome-games. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Apr 17 14:45:08 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:45:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: References: <4624C978.7080708@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <4624DD74.4020705@scheie.homedns.org> Put / on the array, too, as /usr and /var will be where most of the traffic takes place. Petre Kemp, Levi wrote: > Ok that makes more sense. Now I just need to get an IDE hard drive in > that case and use it for /boot and use the SCSI array for /swap and > /home. That doesn't sound too complicated, the worst part will be > getting the drive in the server. Thanks. > > Levi > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Peter Scheie >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:20 AM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >> >> You will get the faster speed of the SCSI drives: booting from an IDE >> drive is just to >> start the process and load the driver for the SCSI array. Use the IDE >> disk for /boot >> and put everything else onto the array. You might even be able to get >> /boot onto the >> array, but that takes more wrestling with grub. Since /boot isn't > really >> read after the >> system is up and running, putting that onto the IDE disk would be > simplest >> and still get >> you what you want. >> >> Petre >> >> Kemp, Levi wrote: >>> Well I was hoping to be able to use the faster speeds of the SCSI >>> drives, but I guess I can just use them as storage. Thanks for the >>> advice. >>> >>> Levi >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > On >>>> Behalf Of Steven Santos >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:58 PM >>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>> >>>> Easy answer: install another boot device. >>>> >>>> For whatever reason, you can't boot to the RAID array. I have had >>> enough >>>> RAID issues in the past to know that sometimes it just won't work. >>> Keep >>>> hunting down why, but to make it just work install another boot >>> device. >>>> Install a cheep IDE drive, bootable USB stick, something, anything >>> else >>>> that >>>> you can use to boot to the point that Linux can use that RAID > array. >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> Steven Santos >>>> Director, Simply Circus, Inc. >>>> Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com >>>> Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road >>>> Newton, MA 02462 >>>> Phone: 617-527-0667 >>>> Web: www.SimplyCircus.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>>>> Behalf Of Kemp, Levi >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:35 PM >>>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, after installing a PCI video card I was able to get through > an >>>>> entire installation. Both NICs were recognized; even the raid > array >>> was >>>>> seen and used as it had been setup for just one drive. I rebooted, >>> the >>>>> server tried as always to PXE boot then asked me to hit H to boot >>> from >>>>> the hard drive. At which time it then told me Non-System disk or >>> disk >>>>> error. There is nothing in the floppy or CD drive, or even the > tape >>>>> drives. Anyone have a thought as to what may have gone wrong? I'm >>> about >>>>> to give up on this server, I was hoping that with maxing the RAM > in >>> it I >>>>> could get a decent LTSP set up for nearly zero cost as we have > more >>> than >>>>> enough iPaqs for clients and this server is just collecting dust. >>>>> >>>>> Levi >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Dan Young >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 AM >>>>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>>>> >>>>>> Kemp, Levi wrote: >>>>>>> Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq >>>>> Proliant >>>>>>> 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced >>> it >>>>>>> to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left >>>>> viewing >>>>>>> maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution >>> in >>>>>>> the installation? Or should I start over and go command line >>>>>>> installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again >>> will >>>>>>> pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a >>> PCI >>>>>>> video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? >>>>>> Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dan Young >>>>>> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >>>>>> 503-257-1562 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rowens at ptd.net Wed Apr 18 00:12:35 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:12:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: pam_mount asks for password twice Message-ID: <20070418001235.GA7231@clubber.owens.net> I just tried pam_mount on Ubuntu 6.06 for the first time and it works great. The only complaint I have is that on gdm login, it asks for the user's password twice. Is this normal behavior, or is there a way around it? Thanks -Rob From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 18 00:29:39 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:29:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repository Broken In-Reply-To: <43080f460704170754u55057dfcl3daba1a1f33cb8a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460704170754u55057dfcl3daba1a1f33cb8a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46256673.9050609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Mel Wade wrote: > It seems that the K12LTSP Repository is not functioning. I've been > trying to update for a few weeks and it keeps crashing on update and > specific installs. Today I renamed the K12LSTP repository file to > disable it and yum started working. > > If I update without the K12LTSP repository will it break my server? I'm > using K12LTSP 6. > I update my own servers off of the K12LTSP repositories, so I usually catch any problems that come up. I ran yum on just about every sever I have in the last 24 hours, I'm fairly sure that they are working ok. The first thing you should try to do is clean our your yum cache: yum clean all Odds are pretty good that will fix it for you. If you still have problems, please reply back and cut-and-paste the error that yum gives. Also, please note if you are using the 32bit or 64bit version of K12LTSP (they use different repositories...) -Eric From mel at melwade.com Wed Apr 18 00:34:56 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:34:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repository Broken In-Reply-To: <46256673.9050609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460704170754u55057dfcl3daba1a1f33cb8a0@mail.gmail.com> <46256673.9050609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43080f460704171734m6f2439a0iedb1c87f74a782ca@mail.gmail.com> I've already tried the Clean command. Here's the error [root at libraryltsp ~]# yum update Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates 100% |=========================| 1.2 kB 00:00 macromedia 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.2 MB 00:08 ################################################## 3786/3786 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 511 kB 00:14 ################################################## 1214/1214 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.7 MB 00:28 ################################################## 5268/5268 Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for ImageMagick to pack into transaction set. http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/updates/ImageMagick-6.2.8 .0-4.fc6.i386.rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 403: Content-type: text/html Trying other mirror. Error: failure: updates/ImageMagick-6.2.8.0-4.fc6.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root at libraryltsp ~]# On 4/17/07, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Mel Wade wrote: > > It seems that the K12LTSP Repository is not functioning. I've been > > trying to update for a few weeks and it keeps crashing on update and > > specific installs. Today I renamed the K12LSTP repository file to > > disable it and yum started working. > > > > If I update without the K12LTSP repository will it break my server? I'm > > using K12LTSP 6. > > > > > I update my own servers off of the K12LTSP repositories, so I usually > catch any problems that come up. I ran yum on just about every sever I > have in the last 24 hours, I'm fairly sure that they are working ok. > > The first thing you should try to do is clean our your yum cache: > > yum clean all > > Odds are pretty good that will fix it for you. > > If you still have problems, please reply back and cut-and-paste the > error that yum gives. > > Also, please note if you are using the 32bit or 64bit version of K12LTSP > (they use different repositories...) > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Wed Apr 18 13:18:28 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:18:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server References: <4624C978.7080708@scheie.homedns.org> <4624DD74.4020705@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: Thanks Petre, I hadn't really paid much attention to the partitioning till now. I finally got an IDE hard drive in, of course now it's stuck recognizing the array as the boot device. Guess I'll have to run the SmartStart CD again. Levi ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Peter Scheie Sent: Tue 4/17/2007 9:45 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Put / on the array, too, as /usr and /var will be where most of the traffic takes place. Petre Kemp, Levi wrote: > Ok that makes more sense. Now I just need to get an IDE hard drive in > that case and use it for /boot and use the SCSI array for /swap and > /home. That doesn't sound too complicated, the worst part will be > getting the drive in the server. Thanks. > > Levi > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Peter Scheie >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:20 AM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >> >> You will get the faster speed of the SCSI drives: booting from an IDE >> drive is just to >> start the process and load the driver for the SCSI array. Use the IDE >> disk for /boot >> and put everything else onto the array. You might even be able to get >> /boot onto the >> array, but that takes more wrestling with grub. Since /boot isn't > really >> read after the >> system is up and running, putting that onto the IDE disk would be > simplest >> and still get >> you what you want. >> >> Petre >> >> Kemp, Levi wrote: >>> Well I was hoping to be able to use the faster speeds of the SCSI >>> drives, but I guess I can just use them as storage. Thanks for the >>> advice. >>> >>> Levi >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > On >>>> Behalf Of Steven Santos >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:58 PM >>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>> >>>> Easy answer: install another boot device. >>>> >>>> For whatever reason, you can't boot to the RAID array. I have had >>> enough >>>> RAID issues in the past to know that sometimes it just won't work. >>> Keep >>>> hunting down why, but to make it just work install another boot >>> device. >>>> Install a cheep IDE drive, bootable USB stick, something, anything >>> else >>>> that >>>> you can use to boot to the point that Linux can use that RAID > array. >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> Steven Santos >>>> Director, Simply Circus, Inc. >>>> Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com >>>> Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road >>>> Newton, MA 02462 >>>> Phone: 617-527-0667 >>>> Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>>>> Behalf Of Kemp, Levi >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:35 PM >>>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, after installing a PCI video card I was able to get through > an >>>>> entire installation. Both NICs were recognized; even the raid > array >>> was >>>>> seen and used as it had been setup for just one drive. I rebooted, >>> the >>>>> server tried as always to PXE boot then asked me to hit H to boot >>> from >>>>> the hard drive. At which time it then told me Non-System disk or >>> disk >>>>> error. There is nothing in the floppy or CD drive, or even the > tape >>>>> drives. Anyone have a thought as to what may have gone wrong? I'm >>> about >>>>> to give up on this server, I was hoping that with maxing the RAM > in >>> it I >>>>> could get a decent LTSP set up for nearly zero cost as we have > more >>> than >>>>> enough iPaqs for clients and this server is just collecting dust. >>>>> >>>>> Levi >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Dan Young >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 AM >>>>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>>>> >>>>>> Kemp, Levi wrote: >>>>>>> Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq >>>>> Proliant >>>>>>> 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced >>> it >>>>>>> to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left >>>>> viewing >>>>>>> maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution >>> in >>>>>>> the installation? Or should I start over and go command line >>>>>>> installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again >>> will >>>>>>> pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a >>> PCI >>>>>>> video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? >>>>>> Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dan Young >>>>>> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >>>>>> 503-257-1562 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see > >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have no problems accessing the file (http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/updates/ImageMagick-6.2.8.0-4.fc6.i386.rpm) that is causing you the error. I checked the web server's logs and there are no 403's, so it didn't come from the web server itself. My first guess would be that you have a proxy server that requires authentication and the "403" error is coming from there. I would, however, assume that this would break other repositories as well. It could also be a firewall issue. If you want to email me (off-list) the IP address of your server, I'll check the firewall logs at this end, make sure there are no routing issues, etc. -Eric > On 4/17/07, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> Mel Wade wrote: >> > It seems that the K12LTSP Repository is not functioning. I've been >> > trying to update for a few weeks and it keeps crashing on update and >> > specific installs. Today I renamed the K12LSTP repository file to >> > disable it and yum started working. >> > >> > If I update without the K12LTSP repository will it break my server? >> I'm >> > using K12LTSP 6. >> > >> >> >> I update my own servers off of the K12LTSP repositories, so I usually >> catch any problems that come up. I ran yum on just about every sever I >> have in the last 24 hours, I'm fairly sure that they are working ok. >> >> The first thing you should try to do is clean our your yum cache: >> >> yum clean all >> >> Odds are pretty good that will fix it for you. >> >> If you still have problems, please reply back and cut-and-paste the >> error that yum gives. >> >> Also, please note if you are using the 32bit or 64bit version of K12LTSP >> (they use different repositories...) >> >> -Eric >> From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Wed Apr 18 15:50:26 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:50:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: References: <4624C978.7080708@scheie.homedns.org> <4624DD74.4020705@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: I hate to reply to myself but I'm at a point where I'm afraid to move forward without some input. I cleared the server again with the SmartStart CD. I reconfigured the array; I went with Raid 5 this time instead of Raid 0. I had already installed the IDE hard drive, but the SmartStart said the server did not support fixed disks on IDE. Well I decided to try installing Fedora anyways, low and behold the HD is present in the drive configuration of the Fedora setup. So basically I'm going to list how it is being setup to see if it is correct. LVM Volume Groups VolGroup00 61376 LogVol00 / ext3 59840 LogVol01 swap 1536 Hard Drives /dev/hdb /dev/hdb1 /boot ext3 102 /dev/hdb2 VolGroup00 LVM PV 9437 /dev/ida/c0d0 /dev/ida/c0d0p1 VolGroup00 LVM PV 52062 I'm not sure if the formatting will stay on that so I apologize now if it is hard to read. As far as I can tell it is doing exactly what I want. The /boot in on the hard drive, the / is on the array, and so is the swap. Is the rest of the hard drive being left alone or added to the / ? If anyone has time to help me on this I'd appreciate it, like I said, I'm still new to Linux in general so I'm still new to drive types other than fat and ntfs. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Kemp, Levi Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:18 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Thanks Petre, I hadn't really paid much attention to the partitioning till now. I finally got an IDE hard drive in, of course now it's stuck recognizing the array as the boot device. Guess I'll have to run the SmartStart CD again. Levi ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Peter Scheie Sent: Tue 4/17/2007 9:45 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Put / on the array, too, as /usr and /var will be where most of the traffic takes place. Petre Kemp, Levi wrote: > Ok that makes more sense. Now I just need to get an IDE hard drive in > that case and use it for /boot and use the SCSI array for /swap and > /home. That doesn't sound too complicated, the worst part will be > getting the drive in the server. Thanks. > > Levi > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Peter Scheie >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:20 AM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >> >> You will get the faster speed of the SCSI drives: booting from an IDE >> drive is just to >> start the process and load the driver for the SCSI array. Use the IDE >> disk for /boot >> and put everything else onto the array. You might even be able to get >> /boot onto the >> array, but that takes more wrestling with grub. Since /boot isn't > really >> read after the >> system is up and running, putting that onto the IDE disk would be > simplest >> and still get >> you what you want. >> >> Petre >> >> Kemp, Levi wrote: >>> Well I was hoping to be able to use the faster speeds of the SCSI >>> drives, but I guess I can just use them as storage. Thanks for the >>> advice. >>> >>> Levi >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > On >>>> Behalf Of Steven Santos >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:58 PM >>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>> >>>> Easy answer: install another boot device. >>>> >>>> For whatever reason, you can't boot to the RAID array. I have had >>> enough >>>> RAID issues in the past to know that sometimes it just won't work. >>> Keep >>>> hunting down why, but to make it just work install another boot >>> device. >>>> Install a cheep IDE drive, bootable USB stick, something, anything >>> else >>>> that >>>> you can use to boot to the point that Linux can use that RAID > array. >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> Steven Santos >>>> Director, Simply Circus, Inc. >>>> Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com >>>> Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road >>>> Newton, MA 02462 >>>> Phone: 617-527-0667 >>>> Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>>>> Behalf Of Kemp, Levi >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:35 PM >>>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, after installing a PCI video card I was able to get through > an >>>>> entire installation. Both NICs were recognized; even the raid > array >>> was >>>>> seen and used as it had been setup for just one drive. I rebooted, >>> the >>>>> server tried as always to PXE boot then asked me to hit H to boot >>> from >>>>> the hard drive. At which time it then told me Non-System disk or >>> disk >>>>> error. There is nothing in the floppy or CD drive, or even the > tape >>>>> drives. Anyone have a thought as to what may have gone wrong? I'm >>> about >>>>> to give up on this server, I was hoping that with maxing the RAM > in >>> it I >>>>> could get a decent LTSP set up for nearly zero cost as we have > more >>> than >>>>> enough iPaqs for clients and this server is just collecting dust. >>>>> >>>>> Levi >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Dan Young >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 AM >>>>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>>>> >>>>>> Kemp, Levi wrote: >>>>>>> Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq >>>>> Proliant >>>>>>> 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced >>> it >>>>>>> to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left >>>>> viewing >>>>>>> maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution >>> in >>>>>>> the installation? Or should I start over and go command line >>>>>>> installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again >>> will >>>>>>> pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a >>> PCI >>>>>>> video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? >>>>>> Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dan Young >>>>>> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >>>>>> 503-257-1562 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see > >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mistrz.linux at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 16:55:06 2007 From: mistrz.linux at yahoo.com (EJBoshinski) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Message-ID: <487049.92856.qm@web58608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Levi, I don't think that this is exactly what you want. If you look closely, you will see that LVM is spanning both your array & the IDE drive ( /dev/hdb is your IDE hardrive and it is showing 2 partitions. You would want it to only have a single partition, /dev/hdb1. Have another go at it and see if you can force the boot partition to consume the entire drive. I don't have the interface in front of me right now, but I "think" you can do a custom partition setup... HTH, -ejb ----- Original Message ---- From: "Kemp, Levi" To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:50:26 AM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server I hate to reply to myself but I?m at a point where I?m afraid to move forward without some input. I cleared the server again with the SmartStart CD. I reconfigured the array; I went with Raid 5 this time instead of Raid 0. I had already installed the IDE hard drive, but the SmartStart said the server did not support fixed disks on IDE. Well I decided to try installing Fedora anyways, low and behold the HD is present in the drive configuration of the Fedora setup. So basically I?m going to list how it is being setup to see if it is correct. LVM Volume Groups VolGroup00 61376 LogVol00 / ext3 59840 LogVol01 swap 1536 Hard Drives /dev/hdb /dev/hdb1 /boot ext3 102 /dev/hdb2 VolGroup00 LVM PV 9437 /dev/ida/c0d0 /dev/ida/c0d0p1 VolGroup00 LVM PV 52062 I?m not sure if the formatting will stay on that so I apologize now if it is hard to read. As far as I can tell it is doing exactly what I want. The /boot in on the hard drive, the / is on the array, and so is the swap. Is the rest of the hard drive being left alone or added to the / ? If anyone has time to help me on this I?d appreciate it, like I said, I?m still new to Linux in general so I?m still new to drive types other than fat and ntfs. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Kemp, Levi Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:18 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Thanks Petre, I hadn't really paid much attention to the partitioning till now. I finally got an IDE hard drive in, of course now it's stuck recognizing the array as the boot device. Guess I'll have to run the SmartStart CD again. Levi From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Peter Scheie Sent: Tue 4/17/2007 9:45 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Put / on the array, too, as /usr and /var will be where most of the traffic takes place. Petre Kemp, Levi wrote: > Ok that makes more sense. Now I just need to get an IDE hard drive in > that case and use it for /boot and use the SCSI array for /swap and > /home. That doesn't sound too complicated, the worst part will be > getting the drive in the server. Thanks. > > Levi > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Peter Scheie >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:20 AM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >> >> You will get the faster speed of the SCSI drives: booting from an IDE >> drive is just to >> start the process and load the driver for the SCSI array. Use the IDE >> disk for /boot >> and put everything else onto the array. You might even be able to get >> /boot onto the >> array, but that takes more wrestling with grub. Since /boot isn't > really >> read after the >> system is up and running, putting that onto the IDE disk would be > simplest >> and still get >> you what you want. >> >> Petre >> >> Kemp, Levi wrote: >>> Well I was hoping to be able to use the faster speeds of the SCSI >>> drives, but I guess I can just use them as storage. Thanks for the >>> advice. >>> >>> Levi >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > On >>>> Behalf Of Steven Santos >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:58 PM >>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>> >>>> Easy answer: install another boot device. >>>> >>>> For whatever reason, you can't boot to the RAID array. I have had >>> enough >>>> RAID issues in the past to know that sometimes it just won't work. >>> Keep >>>> hunting down why, but to make it just work install another boot >>> device. >>>> Install a cheep IDE drive, bootable USB stick, something, anything >>> else >>>> that >>>> you can use to boot to the point that Linux can use that RAID > array. >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> Steven Santos >>>> Director, Simply Circus, Inc. >>>> Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com >>>> Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road >>>> Newton , MA 02462 >>>> Phone: 617-527-0667 >>>> Web: www.SimplyCircus.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>>>> Behalf Of Kemp, Levi >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:35 PM >>>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, after installing a PCI video card I was able to get through > an >>>>> entire installation. Both NICs were recognized; even the raid > array >>> was >>>>> seen and used as it had been setup for just one drive. I rebooted, >>> the >>>>> server tried as always to PXE boot then asked me to hit H to boot >>> from >>>>> the hard drive. At which time it then told me Non-System disk or >>> disk >>>>> error. There is nothing in the floppy or CD drive, or even the > tape >>>>> drives. Anyone have a thought as to what may have gone wrong? I'm >>> about >>>>> to give up on this server, I was hoping that with maxing the RAM > in >>> it I >>>>> could get a decent LTSP set up for nearly zero cost as we have > more >>> than >>>>> enough iPaqs for clients and this server is just collecting dust. >>>>> >>>>> Levi >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Dan Young >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 AM >>>>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>>>> >>>>>> Kemp, Levi wrote: >>>>>>> Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq >>>>> Proliant >>>>>>> 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced >>> it >>>>>>> to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left >>>>> viewing >>>>>>> maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution >>> in >>>>>>> the installation? Or should I start over and go command line >>>>>>> installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again >>> will >>>>>>> pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a >>> PCI >>>>>>> video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? >>>>>> Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dan Young >>>>>> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >>>>>> 503-257-1562 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Wed Apr 18 17:22:47 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:22:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: <487049.92856.qm@web58608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <487049.92856.qm@web58608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes there is a custom settings button. I've got it reading the entire HD as /boot ext 3 and I've split the array into / ext3 and a swap. Does that sound correct? There is only one section now, Hard Drives, and there are no LVM. I'm tentative to continue without input because of the amount of time it takes me to get to this point again. Besides I have other work I can do while I wait for a reply. Thanks again. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of EJBoshinski Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:55 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Levi, I don't think that this is exactly what you want. If you look closely, you will see that LVM is spanning both your array & the IDE drive ( /dev/hdb is your IDE hardrive and it is showing 2 partitions. You would want it to only have a single partition, /dev/hdb1. Have another go at it and see if you can force the boot partition to consume the entire drive. I don't have the interface in front of me right now, but I "think" you can do a custom partition setup... HTH, -ejb ----- Original Message ---- From: "Kemp, Levi" To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:50:26 AM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server I hate to reply to myself but I?m at a point where I?m afraid to move forward without some input. I cleared the server again with the SmartStart CD. I reconfigured the array; I went with Raid 5 this time instead of Raid 0. I had already installed the IDE hard drive, but the SmartStart said the server did not support fixed disks on IDE. Well I decided to try installing Fedora anyways, low and behold the HD is present in the drive configuration of the Fedora setup. So basically I?m going to list how it is being setup to see if it is correct. LVM Volume Groups VolGroup00 61376 LogVol00 / ext3 59840 LogVol01 swap 1536 Hard Drives /dev/hdb /dev/hdb1 /boot ext3 102 /dev/hdb2 VolGroup00 LVM PV 9437 /dev/ida/c0d0 /dev/ida/c0d0p1 VolGroup00 LVM PV 52062 I?m not sure if the formatting will stay on that so I apologize now if it is hard to read. As far as I can tell it is doing exactly what I want. The /boot in on the hard drive, the / is on the array, and so is the swap. Is the rest of the hard drive being left alone or added to the / ? If anyone has time to help me on this I?d appreciate it, like I said, I?m still new to Linux in general so I?m still new to drive types other than fat and ntfs. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Kemp, Levi Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:18 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Thanks Petre, I hadn't really paid much attention to the partitioning till now. I finally got an IDE hard drive in, of course now it's stuck recognizing the array as the boot device. Guess I'll have to run the SmartStart CD again. Levi ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Peter Scheie Sent: Tue 4/17/2007 9:45 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Put / on the array, too, as /usr and /var will be where most of the traffic takes place. Petre Kemp, Levi wrote: > Ok that makes more sense. Now I just need to get an IDE hard drive in > that case and use it for /boot and use the SCSI array for /swap and > /home. That doesn't sound too complicated, the worst part will be > getting the drive in the server. Thanks. > > Levi > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Peter Scheie >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:20 AM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >> >> You will get the faster speed of the SCSI drives: booting from an IDE >> drive is just to >> start the process and load the driver for the SCSI array. Use the IDE >> disk for /boot >> and put everything else onto the array. You might even be able to get >> /boot onto the >> array, but that takes more wrestling with grub. Since /boot isn't > really >> read after the >> system is up and running, putting that onto the IDE disk would be > simplest >> and still get >> you what you want. >> >> Petre >> >> Kemp, Levi wrote: >>> Well I was hoping to be able to use the faster speeds of the SCSI >>> drives, but I guess I can just use them as storage. Thanks for the >>> advice. >>> >>> Levi >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > On >>>> Behalf Of Steven Santos >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:58 PM >>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>> >>>> Easy answer: install another boot device. >>>> >>>> For whatever reason, you can't boot to the RAID array. I have had >>> enough >>>> RAID issues in the past to know that sometimes it just won't work. >>> Keep >>>> hunting down why, but to make it just work install another boot >>> device. >>>> Install a cheep IDE drive, bootable USB stick, something, anything >>> else >>>> that >>>> you can use to boot to the point that Linux can use that RAID > array. >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> Steven Santos >>>> Director, Simply Circus, Inc. >>>> Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com >>>> Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road >>>> Newton , MA 02462 >>>> Phone: 617-527-0667 >>>> Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>>>> Behalf Of Kemp, Levi >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:35 PM >>>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, after installing a PCI video card I was able to get through > an >>>>> entire installation. Both NICs were recognized; even the raid > array >>> was >>>>> seen and used as it had been setup for just one drive. I rebooted, >>> the >>>>> server tried as always to PXE boot then asked me to hit H to boot >>> from >>>>> the hard drive. At which time it then told me Non-System disk or >>> disk >>>>> error. There is nothing in the floppy or CD drive, or even the > tape >>>>> drives. Anyone have a thought as to what may have gone wrong? I'm >>> about >>>>> to give up on this server, I was hoping that with maxing the RAM > in >>> it I >>>>> could get a decent LTSP set up for nearly zero cost as we have > more >>> than >>>>> enough iPaqs for clients and this server is just collecting dust. >>>>> >>>>> Levi >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Dan Young >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 AM >>>>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server >>>>>> >>>>>> Kemp, Levi wrote: >>>>>>> Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq >>>>> Proliant >>>>>>> 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced >>> it >>>>>>> to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left >>>>> viewing >>>>>>> maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution >>> in >>>>>>> the installation? Or should I start over and go command line >>>>>>> installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again >>> will >>>>>>> pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a >>> PCI >>>>>>> video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? >>>>>> Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dan Young >>>>>> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >>>>>> 503-257-1562 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see > >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ________________________________ Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Apr 18 17:24:20 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpIEpyLiI=?=) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:24:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: <487049.92856.qm@web58608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <487049.92856.qm@web58608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46265444.2070204@cmosnetworks.com> I will add to this that I *hate* LVM. Yes, I know it's the RH/Fedora default, but I don't recommend its use unless you know why you need it. If...um...the remnants of dinner ever do happen to enter the air circulatory system, and you need to use a repair disk to fix things, not all repair disks support LVMs. One of my guys found that out the hard way with CentOS; it required a re-install. If you don't know for sure why you need LVM, then you don't need it. Just use manual partitioning; it is very much supported in RH/Fedora/CentOS. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! EJBoshinski wrote: > Levi, > > I don't think that this is exactly what you want. If you look > closely, you will see that LVM is spanning both your array & the IDE > drive ( /dev/hdb is your IDE hardrive and it is showing 2 partitions. > You would want it to only have a single partition, /dev/hdb1. Have > another go at it and see if you can force the boot partition to > consume the entire drive. I don't have the interface in front of me > right now, but I "think" you can do a custom partition setup... > > HTH, > > -ejb > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Kemp, Levi" > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:50:26 AM > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > > I hate to reply to myself but I?m at a point where I?m afraid to move > forward without some input. I cleared the server again with the > SmartStart CD. I reconfigured the array; I went with Raid 5 this time > instead of Raid 0. I had already installed the IDE hard drive, but the > SmartStart said the server did not support fixed disks on IDE. Well I > decided to try installing Fedora anyways, low and behold the HD is > present in the drive configuration of the Fedora setup. So basically > I?m going to list how it is being setup to see if it is correct. > > > > LVM Volume Groups > > VolGroup00 > 61376 > > LogVol00 / > ext3 59840 > > LogVol01 > swap 1536 > > Hard Drives > > /dev/hdb > > /dev/hdb1 /boot > ext3 102 > > /dev/hdb2 VolGroup00 LVM > PV 9437 > > /dev/ida/c0d0 > > /dev/ida/c0d0p1 VolGroup00 LVM > PV 52062 > > > > I?m not sure if the formatting will stay on that so I apologize now if > it is hard to read. As far as I can tell it is doing exactly what I > want. The /boot in on the hard drive, the / is on the array, and so is > the swap. Is the rest of the hard drive being left alone or added to > the / ? If anyone has time to help me on this I?d appreciate it, like > I said, I?m still new to Linux in general so I?m still new to drive > types other than fat and ntfs. > > > > Levi Kemp > > Technology Specialist > > Bolivar R-I School District > > 417-328-8943 > > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > *On Behalf Of *Kemp, Levi > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:18 AM > *To:* Support list for open source software in schools. > *Subject:* RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > > > > Thanks Petre, I hadn't really paid much attention to the partitioning > till now. I finally got an IDE hard drive in, of course now it's stuck > recognizing the array as the boot device. Guess I'll have to run the > SmartStart CD again. > > > > Levi > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Peter Scheie > *Sent:* Tue 4/17/2007 9:45 AM > *To:* Support list for open source software in schools. > *Subject:* Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > > Put / on the array, too, as /usr and /var will be where most of the > traffic takes place. > > Petre > > Kemp, Levi wrote: > > Ok that makes more sense. Now I just need to get an IDE hard drive in > > that case and use it for /boot and use the SCSI array for /swap and > > /home. That doesn't sound too complicated, the worst part will be > > getting the drive in the server. Thanks. > > > > Levi > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > >> Behalf Of Peter Scheie > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:20 AM > >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. > >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > >> > >> You will get the faster speed of the SCSI drives: booting from an IDE > >> drive is just to > >> start the process and load the driver for the SCSI array. Use the IDE > >> disk for /boot > >> and put everything else onto the array. You might even be able to get > >> /boot onto the > >> array, but that takes more wrestling with grub. Since /boot isn't > > really > >> read after the > >> system is up and running, putting that onto the IDE disk would be > > simplest > >> and still get > >> you what you want. > >> > >> Petre > >> > >> Kemp, Levi wrote: > >>> Well I was hoping to be able to use the faster speeds of the SCSI > >>> drives, but I guess I can just use them as storage. Thanks for the > >>> advice. > >>> > >>> Levi > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > > On > >>>> Behalf Of Steven Santos > >>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:58 PM > >>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. > >>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > >>>> > >>>> Easy answer: install another boot device. > >>>> > >>>> For whatever reason, you can't boot to the RAID array. I have had > >>> enough > >>>> RAID issues in the past to know that sometimes it just won't work. > >>> Keep > >>>> hunting down why, but to make it just work install another boot > >>> device. > >>>> Install a cheep IDE drive, bootable USB stick, something, anything > >>> else > >>>> that > >>>> you can use to boot to the point that Linux can use that RAID > > array. > >>>> _____ > >>>> > >>>> Steven Santos > >>>> Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > >>>> Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > >>>> Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > >>>> Newton , MA 02462 > >>>> Phone: 617-527-0667 > >>>> Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > >>>>> Behalf Of Kemp, Levi > >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:35 PM > >>>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. > >>>>> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Well, after installing a PCI video card I was able to get through > > an > >>>>> entire installation. Both NICs were recognized; even the raid > > array > >>> was > >>>>> seen and used as it had been setup for just one drive. I rebooted, > >>> the > >>>>> server tried as always to PXE boot then asked me to hit H to boot > >>> from > >>>>> the hard drive. At which time it then told me Non-System disk or > >>> disk > >>>>> error. There is nothing in the floppy or CD drive, or even the > > tape > >>>>> drives. Anyone have a thought as to what may have gone wrong? I'm > >>> about > >>>>> to give up on this server, I was hoping that with maxing the RAM > > in > >>> it I > >>>>> could get a decent LTSP set up for nearly zero cost as we have > > more > >>> than > >>>>> enough iPaqs for clients and this server is just collecting dust. > >>>>> > >>>>> Levi > >>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > >>> On > >>>>>> Behalf Of Dan Young > >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 AM > >>>>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kemp, Levi wrote: > >>>>>>> Has anyone installed K12LTSP or any distribution on a Compaq > >>>>> Proliant > >>>>>>> 3000 before? I finally got the Array straightened out and forced > >>> it > >>>>>>> to boot to a CD, but now in the installation itself I am left > >>>>> viewing > >>>>>>> maybe 50% of the screen. Is there a way to adjust the resolution > >>> in > >>>>>>> the installation? Or should I start over and go command line > >>>>>>> installation? This is so annoying, making it boot to CD again > >>> will > >>>>>>> pretty much cause me to start over. I'm considering installing a > >>> PCI > >>>>>>> video card, in case that is the issue. Any thoughts? > >>>>>> Either try "linux vesa" or "linux text". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Dan Young > >>>>>> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > >>>>>> 503-257-1562 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>>> For more info see > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> K12OSN mailing list > >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>> For more info see > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> K12OSN mailing list > >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>> For more info see > > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 18 17:48:25 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:48:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: <46265444.2070204@cmosnetworks.com> References: <487049.92856.qm@web58608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <46265444.2070204@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <462659E9.60509@futuresource.com> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > I will add to this that I *hate* LVM. Yes, I know it's the RH/Fedora > default, but I don't recommend its use unless you know why you need it. > If...um...the remnants of dinner ever do happen to enter the air > circulatory system, and you need to use a repair disk to fix things, not > all repair disks support LVMs. One of my guys found that out the hard > way with CentOS; it required a re-install. > I agree about keeping it simple, but... CentOS has it's own rescue mode. Just boot the install CD with 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt. That should have been able to access/repair an LVM install. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mistrz.linux at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 18:25:34 2007 From: mistrz.linux at yahoo.com (EJBoshinski) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Message-ID: <280879.53840.qm@web58610.mail.re3.yahoo.com> From: EJBoshinski To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:58:28 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Levi, The only other thing that I should have mentioned is to make sure that you make the /dev/hdb1 partition as bootable ;-) Otherwise, your desciption sounds - as they say - sane... and it sounds like it should go for you! Good luck !! -ejb ----- Original Message ---- From: "Kemp, Levi" To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:22:47 PM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Yes there is a custom settings button. I?ve got it reading the entire HD as /boot ext 3 and I?ve split the array into / ext3 and a swap. Does that sound correct? There is only one section now, Hard Drives, and there are no LVM. I?m tentative to continue without input because of the amount of time it takes me to get to this point again. Besides I have other work I can do while I wait for a reply. Thanks again. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of EJBoshinski Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:55 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Levi, I don't think that this is exactly what you want. If you look closely, you will see that LVM is spanning both your array & the IDE drive ( /dev/hdb is your IDE hardrive and it is showing 2 partitions. You would want it to only have a single partition, /dev/hdb1. Have another go at it and see if you can force the boot partition to consume the entire drive. I don't have the interface in front of me right now, but I "think" you can do a custom partition setup... HTH, -ejb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Wed Apr 18 20:30:01 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:30:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: <280879.53840.qm@web58610.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <280879.53840.qm@web58610.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well I'm on round three. I'm going with just the array this time, the HD isn't bootable in this server ;-). It's hard to get it to boot a CD sometimes. Anyways, I'm setting up the partitions manually again, if this doesn't work I may try an earlier version. I've read people having no problems with fedora core 4. Is there a previous version of K12LTSP using FC5 or FC4? I'm not ready to give up quite yet! Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of EJBoshinski Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:26 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server From: EJBoshinski To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:58:28 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Levi, The only other thing that I should have mentioned is to make sure that you make the /dev/hdb1 partition as bootable ;-) Otherwise, your desciption sounds - as they say - sane... and it sounds like it should go for you! Good luck !! -ejb ----- Original Message ---- From: "Kemp, Levi" To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:22:47 PM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Yes there is a custom settings button. I?ve got it reading the entire HD as /boot ext 3 and I?ve split the array into / ext3 and a swap. Does that sound correct? There is only one section now, Hard Drives, and there are no LVM. I?m tentative to continue without input because of the amount of time it takes me to get to this point again. Besides I have other work I can do while I wait for a reply. Thanks again. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of EJBoshinski Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:55 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Levi, I don't think that this is exactly what you want. If you look closely, you will see that LVM is spanning both your array & the IDE drive ( /dev/hdb is your IDE hardrive and it is showing 2 partitions. You would want it to only have a single partition, /dev/hdb1. Have another go at it and see if you can force the boot partition to consume the entire drive. I don't have the interface in front of me right now, but I "think" you can do a custom partition setup... HTH, -ejb ________________________________ Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steven at simplycircus.com Wed Apr 18 20:33:58 2007 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:33:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old ServerYou can boot from a CD. Does the server have a USB port? Can you boot from a connected USB flash drive? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Kemp, Levi Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:30 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Well I'm on round three. I'm going with just the array this time, the HD isn't bootable in this server ;-). It's hard to get it to boot a CD sometimes. Anyways, I'm setting up the partitions manually again, if this doesn't work I may try an earlier version. I've read people having no problems with fedora core 4. Is there a previous version of K12LTSP using FC5 or FC4? I'm not ready to give up quite yet! Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of EJBoshinski Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:26 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server From: EJBoshinski To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:58:28 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Levi, The only other thing that I should have mentioned is to make sure that you make the /dev/hdb1 partition as bootable ;-) Otherwise, your desciption sounds - as they say - sane... and it sounds like it should go for you! Good luck !! -ejb ----- Original Message ---- From: "Kemp, Levi" To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:22:47 PM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Yes there is a custom settings button. I?ve got it reading the entire HD as /boot ext 3 and I?ve split the array into / ext3 and a swap. Does that sound correct? There is only one section now, Hard Drives, and there are no LVM. I?m tentative to continue without input because of the amount of time it takes me to get to this point again. Besides I have other work I can do while I wait for a reply. Thanks again. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of EJBoshinski Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:55 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Levi, I don't think that this is exactly what you want. If you look closely, you will see that LVM is spanning both your array & the IDE drive ( /dev/hdb is your IDE hardrive and it is showing 2 partitions. You would want it to only have a single partition, /dev/hdb1. Have another go at it and see if you can force the boot partition to consume the entire drive. I don't have the interface in front of me right now, but I "think" you can do a custom partition setup... HTH, -ejb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at ptd.net Thu Apr 19 11:17:27 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (rowens at ptd.net) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:17:27 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Future LTSP direction: Local Apps Message-ID: There was a discussion a few weeks back regarding what Robert Arkiletian saw at Kamloops school in Canada. Link for reference: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-March/msg00698.html I was trying to remember the name of a certain project I had read about, and I just stumbled across it today: DRBL http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ It stands for Diskless Remote Boot in Linux. Basically, a server is set up which has the operating system, and it PXE boots clients. The clients then run *all* of their applications locally, but with no hard drive (all filesystems are mounted from the server). I thought some of you guys might find it interesting. It requires high performance clients since everything is run locally, but it requires only one installation of the operating system. -Rob From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Apr 19 11:39:48 2007 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:39:48 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Future LTSP direction: Local Apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200704191239.49725.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 19 April 2007 12:17, rowens at ptd.net wrote: > > I was trying to remember the name of a certain project I had read about, > and I just stumbled across it today: DRBL http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ It > stands for Diskless Remote Boot in Linux. Basically, a server is set up > which has the operating system, and it PXE boots clients. The clients then > run *all* of their applications locally, but with no hard drive (all > filesystems are mounted from the server). OT: Here is another alternative http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39286741,00.htm - This is a CD distro, but with remote storage. OK it's not a thin client setup but it could be another way to get Linux onto the desktop using low powered machines. The companies website is www.babeldisc.com Take your CD into a internet cafe, library, etc anywhere in the world, boot the PC from your CD and your files are accessible. Much better than dragging a laptop around with you. Even better if the image was on USB - your system in your pocket. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 16:04:20 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:04:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Future LTSP direction: Local Apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/19/07, rowens at ptd.net wrote: > > There was a discussion a few weeks back regarding what Robert Arkiletian saw > at Kamloops school in Canada. Link for reference: > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-March/msg00698.html > > I was trying to remember the name of a certain project I had read about, and I > just stumbled across it today: DRBL http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ It stands > for Diskless Remote Boot in Linux. Basically, a server is set up which has > the operating system, and it PXE boots clients. The clients then run *all* of > their applications locally, but with no hard drive (all filesystems are > mounted from the server). > Interesting. Thanks for the link. I will pass it on. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 16:41:51 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:41:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: pam_mount asks for password twice In-Reply-To: <20070418001235.GA7231@clubber.owens.net> References: <20070418001235.GA7231@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <2be970b50704190941i41c949b2h56388cd88ff1b5c7@mail.gmail.com> Hi Rob, This can be fixed by editing your pam files. Basically you need to tell pam to accept the first credential that is correct and not to ask again once thats happened. I use winbind and I configured my /etc/pam.d/gdm file to look like this: #%PAM-1.0 auth requisite pam_nologin.so auth required pam_mount.so auth sufficient pam_winbind.so use_first_pass auth sufficient pam_unix.so nullok_secure use_first_pass auth required pam_env.so @include common-auth account sufficient pam_mount.so @include common-account session required pam_limits.so session optional pam_console.so @include common-session @include common-password session optional pam_mount.so It works for me, although I don't fully understand it. :-) John On 4/17/07, Rob Owens wrote: > I just tried pam_mount on Ubuntu 6.06 for the first time and it works > great. The only complaint I have is that on gdm login, it asks for the > user's password twice. Is this normal behavior, or is there a way > around it? > > Thanks > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nadavkav at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 17:21:56 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:21:56 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Future LTSP direction: Local Apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4219988b0704191021u535d17a4j6d01e196ffedaa86@mail.gmail.com> we're using it (booting from USB keys). we gave it to students. here is a SIMPLE install : http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ students have their ENTIRE desktop, favorite apps and document with them all the time! we consider high end hardware with no hard disks as stations we students can plug their OS into. (it's just an experiment with technology and it's not a cheap solution!) On 4/19/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 4/19/07, rowens at ptd.net wrote: > > > > There was a discussion a few weeks back regarding what Robert Arkiletian > saw > > at Kamloops school in Canada. Link for reference: > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-March/msg00698.html > > > > I was trying to remember the name of a certain project I had read about, > and I > > just stumbled across it today: DRBL http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ It > stands > > for Diskless Remote Boot in Linux. Basically, a server is set up which > has > > the operating system, and it PXE boots clients. The clients then run > *all* of > > their applications locally, but with no hard drive (all filesystems are > > mounted from the server). > > > > Interesting. Thanks for the link. I will pass it on. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 17:59:10 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:59:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Future LTSP direction: Local Apps In-Reply-To: <4219988b0704191021u535d17a4j6d01e196ffedaa86@mail.gmail.com> References: <4219988b0704191021u535d17a4j6d01e196ffedaa86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/19/07, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > we're using it (booting from USB keys). we gave it to students. > here is a SIMPLE install : http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ > > students have their ENTIRE desktop, favorite apps and document with them all > the time! > we consider high end hardware with no hard disks as stations we students can > plug their OS into. > (it's just an experiment with technology and it's not a cheap solution!) Thanks. If there are others who have tried DRBL I would be interested in hearing your experience with it. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From dhbarr at gozelle.com Thu Apr 19 19:47:55 2007 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:47:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Clients Behind an LTSP Server Message-ID: Greetings! I've got a default k12ltsp / FC6 install, and my thin clients work wonderfully. I'd like them to daylight as Windows boxes, however, and I'd like it to be as simple as inserting a CD and power cycling to bring up k12. What do I need to configure a) on the Windows side and b) on the server side to make this happen? I've verified that both the server and a client PXE booted from the server can access the web. In addition, a client booted in windows gets a valid DHCP lease but DNS / http won't go through. I trolled the archives for "dual boot", but most threads appear to deal with hard drive partitioning which I've already got licked. I'm 99% certain I need to add a routing rule, but the where and how escape me. Bonus points for linkage to a relevant FAQ or wiki entry with examples ?grin?. Thanks in advance, -dhbarr. From thewhitmers at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 20:00:17 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:00:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Clients Behind an LTSP Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/19/07, David H. Barr wrote: > Greetings! > > I've got a default k12ltsp / FC6 install, and my thin clients work > wonderfully. I'd like them to daylight as Windows boxes, however, and > I'd like it to be as simple as inserting a CD and power cycling to > bring up k12. > > What do I need to configure a) on the Windows side and b) on the > server side to make this happen? I've verified that both the server > and a client PXE booted from the server can access the web. In > addition, a client booted in windows gets a valid DHCP lease but DNS / > http won't go through. > > I trolled the archives for "dual boot", but most threads appear to > deal with hard drive partitioning which I've already got licked. I'm > 99% certain I need to add a routing rule, but the where and how escape > me. Bonus points for linkage to a relevant FAQ or wiki entry with > examples ?grin?. > > Thanks in advance, > -dhbarr. When a client PC is booted up as Windows, a) can it ping a server on the Internet by IP address (e.g. 172.x.y.z) as opposed to server name (e.g. www.google.com)? b) is Windows also getting a valid name server address from the DHCP server? David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: the.whitmers at gmail.com From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 19 20:05:09 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:05:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Clients Behind an LTSP Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4627CB75.3090408@mesd.k12.or.us> David H. Barr wrote: > What do I need to configure a) on the Windows side and b) on the > server side to make this happen? I've verified that both the server > and a client PXE booted from the server can access the web. In > addition, a client booted in windows gets a valid DHCP lease but DNS / > http won't go through. Can you try: service nat start chkconfig nat on -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dhbarr at gozelle.com Thu Apr 19 20:13:37 2007 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:13:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Clients Behind an LTSP Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/19/07, David Whitmer wrote: > On 4/19/07, David H. Barr wrote: > > I've got a default k12ltsp / FC6 install, and my thin clients work > > wonderfully. I'd like them to daylight as Windows boxes, however, and > > I'd like it to be as simple as inserting a CD and power cycling to > > bring up k12. > > > > What do I need to configure a) on the Windows side and b) on the > > server side to make this happen? I've verified that both the server > > and a client PXE booted from the server can access the web. In > > addition, a client booted in windows gets a valid DHCP lease but DNS / > > http won't go through.> > When a client PC is booted up as Windows, > > a) can it ping a server on the Internet by IP address (e.g. 172.x.y.z) > as opposed to server name (e.g. www.google.com)? No, it ping by IP. > b) is Windows also getting a valid name server address from the DHCP server? Windows is getting 10.0.0.1 (eth0) for gateway and dns, and ltsp as dns suffix. This information is the same both for Windows and for the LTSP clients. -dhbarr. From rowens at ptd.net Fri Apr 20 01:21:48 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:21:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Clients Behind an LTSP Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070420012148.GA11030@clubber.owens.net> > >When a client PC is booted up as Windows, > > > >a) can it ping a server on the Internet by IP address (e.g. 172.x.y.z) > >as opposed to server name (e.g. www.google.com)? > > No, it ping by IP. > > >b) is Windows also getting a valid name server address from the DHCP > >server? > > Windows is getting 10.0.0.1 (eth0) for gateway and dns, and ltsp as dns > suffix. > > This information is the same both for Windows and for the LTSP clients. You should check for the following lines in your dhcpd.conf file: option domain-name-servers x.x.x.x; option domain-name "ltsp"; Make sure that the domain-name-servers line points to a valid DNS server on your network. -Rob From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Apr 20 09:22:32 2007 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:22:32 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Future LTSP direction: Local Apps In-Reply-To: References: <4219988b0704191021u535d17a4j6d01e196ffedaa86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1177060952.7422.8.camel@linux.laptop> On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 10:59 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 4/19/07, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > we're using it (booting from USB keys). we gave it to students. > > here is a SIMPLE install : http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ > > > > students have their ENTIRE desktop, favorite apps and document with them all > > the time! > > we consider high end hardware with no hard disks as stations we students can > > plug their OS into. > > (it's just an experiment with technology and it's not a cheap solution!) > > Thanks. > If there are others who have tried DRBL I would be interested in > hearing your experience with it. I'm _about_ to try it, but that is no good to you to know that ;-) What is good to know is that DRBL now have a 'live' or knoppix-style bootable cd version. You can get an iso with any of Xfce, Gnome, or 'standard' desktops. See here for iso download: http://opensource.nchc.org.tw/drbl-live/testing/ HTH Gavin. From gjk_lists at rogers.com Fri Apr 20 10:58:38 2007 From: gjk_lists at rogers.com (Gustav Kramer) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:58:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Clients Behind an LTSP Server In-Reply-To: <20070420012148.GA11030@clubber.owens.net> References: <20070420012148.GA11030@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <1177066718.3517.7.camel@howick.ltsp> On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 21:21 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > > >When a client PC is booted up as Windows, > > > > > >a) can it ping a server on the Internet by IP address (e.g. 172.x.y.z) > > >as opposed to server name (e.g. www.google.com)? > > > > No, it ping by IP. > > > > >b) is Windows also getting a valid name server address from the DHCP > > >server? > > > > Windows is getting 10.0.0.1 (eth0) for gateway and dns, and ltsp as dns > > suffix. > > > > This information is the same both for Windows and for the LTSP clients. > > You should check for the following lines in your dhcpd.conf file: > > option domain-name-servers x.x.x.x; > option domain-name "ltsp"; > > Make sure that the domain-name-servers line points to a valid DNS server > on your network. > > -Rob > Late last year I had a similar problem and found an answer in the archives suggesting checking the firewall settings. Here's and excerpt: "I found while looking at the Linux Firewall module in Webmin that only lo was set to accept any traffic but that eth0 was not. I added a rule to accept any traffic on eth0 and now my internal workstations get through the firewall just fine." Here's the link if you want to follow the whole thread: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-December/msg00062.html It worked for me, YMMV. - gustav From mel at melwade.com Fri Apr 20 11:55:47 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:55:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing Message-ID: <43080f460704200455m65f1c817u811f06f880345295@mail.gmail.com> We are looking for a solution to stop file sharing on student owned computers on our network. Anyone have a solution? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't remember much details but if you look at the distros it should be fairly simple. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri Apr 20 13:17:27 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:17:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing In-Reply-To: <43080f460704200455m65f1c817u811f06f880345295@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460704200455m65f1c817u811f06f880345295@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4628BD67.9020808@scheie.homedns.org> I think you'll have to elaborate on what you want to prevent. Using a web browser is 'file sharing', as is much of computer communication, in that the user's computer requests a file, in this case an html file, from another computer, the web server. If you're talking about bittorrent traffic, you could block ports 6881-6999 on your external firewall. Petre Mel Wade wrote: > We are looking for a solution to stop file sharing on student owned > computers on our network. Anyone have a solution? > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mistrz.linux at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 13:31:57 2007 From: mistrz.linux at yahoo.com (EJBoshinski) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing Message-ID: <574303.33838.qm@web58607.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Depending on the physical topology of your network, without a complete network admission compliance policy it may be nearly impossible to implement. Firewalls typically sit at the network edge and do not mediate internal traffic, thus anything on your local subnet will pass unabated unless a firewall is placed at each congregation point (ie - read switch - however even this is incomlete as any traffic internal to the switch will not encounter the firewall). The only complete solution is to have NAC in place that stipulates rulesets that must be met before access is granted to the network. This is where you can enforce your network policies. If you don't meet our standards, you don't get on.... I did some work on this about a year ago with a MAJOR network gear manufacturer's first step into this market - suffice it to say that the solution at that time was incomplete and convoluted. However in the interim I believe that the technology has improved sufficiently to be able to achieve your desired results. The major hurdle is to get the 'powers that be' to buy into the project and the underlying policies of network access control.... HTH, -ejb ----- Original Message ---- From: Mel Wade To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:55:47 AM Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing We are looking for a solution to stop file sharing on student owned computers on our network. Anyone have a solution? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwagnon at fordyceschools.org Fri Apr 20 13:35:26 2007 From: cwagnon at fordyceschools.org (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:35:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing In-Reply-To: <20070420130527.M87150@winonacotter.org> References: <43080f460704200455m65f1c817u811f06f880345295@mail.gmail.com> <20070420130527.M87150@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <46287B4C.DE74.0047.0@fordyceschools.org> The most secure firewall policy is to always block *every port* by default and only poke holes for what you need. That way you're not scrambling to block the latest threatening ports. This has proven very effective here at cutting out P2P. It's a little work to figure out what ports you need....but it pays for itself over and over again. Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce Schools ____________________ >>> "Jim Kronebusch" 4/20/2007 8:08 AM >>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:55:47 -0700, Mel Wade wrote > We are looking for a solution to stop file sharing on student owned > computers on our network. Anyone have a solution? From mel at melwade.com Fri Apr 20 14:02:37 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:02:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing In-Reply-To: <574303.33838.qm@web58607.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <574303.33838.qm@web58607.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43080f460704200702x37f088f7nd8d9c4d3f447c9d6@mail.gmail.com> This is what I was thinking. I can effectively block P2P from the outside by blocking ports. The real problem is getting a handle on the large amount of file sharing going on within the network. I would really like to have something that would require monitoring software be in place in order to have access to the network. I'm guessing this would have to integrate into the switches themselves. Mel On 4/20/07, EJBoshinski wrote: > > Depending on the physical topology of your network, without a complete > network admission compliance policy it may be nearly impossible to > implement. Firewalls typically sit at the network edge and do not mediate > internal traffic, thus anything on your local subnet will pass unabated > unless a firewall is placed at each congregation point (ie - read switch - > however even this is incomlete as any traffic internal to the switch will > not encounter the firewall). The only complete solution is to have NAC in > place that stipulates rulesets that must be met before access is granted to > the network. This is where you can enforce your network policies. If you > don't meet our standards, you don't get on.... I did some work on this > about a year ago with a MAJOR network gear manufacturer's first step into > this market - suffice it to say that the solution at that time was > incomplete and convoluted. However in the interim I believe that the > technology has improved sufficiently to be able to achieve your desired > results. The major hurdle is to get the 'powers that be' to buy into the > project and the underlying policies of network access control.... > > HTH, > > -ejb > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mel Wade > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:55:47 AM > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > > We are looking for a solution to stop file sharing on student owned > computers on our network. Anyone have a solution? > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------ > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Fri Apr 20 14:26:37 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:26:37 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing In-Reply-To: <4628BD67.9020808@scheie.homedns.org> References: <43080f460704200455m65f1c817u811f06f880345295@mail.gmail.com> <4628BD67.9020808@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <35443EFD-4484-4B85-AB8B-0FA7F786C9B7@breun.nl> Peter Scheie wrote: > I think you'll have to elaborate on what you want to prevent. > Using a web browser is 'file sharing', as is much of computer > communication, in that the user's computer requests a file, in this > case an html file, from another computer, the web server. > > If you're talking about bittorrent traffic, you could block ports > 6881-6999 on your external firewall. Though that won't really block all BitTorrent as it's pretty easy to set the port you want to use in the BitTorrent client. I use 16881 myself for instance. Probably better to block *all* ports by default and only open up the ones that are really needed. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Apr 20 14:51:41 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:51:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing In-Reply-To: <35443EFD-4484-4B85-AB8B-0FA7F786C9B7@breun.nl> References: <43080f460704200455m65f1c817u811f06f880345295@mail.gmail.com> <4628BD67.9020808@scheie.homedns.org> <35443EFD-4484-4B85-AB8B-0FA7F786C9B7@breun.nl> Message-ID: <4628D37D.2070000@cmosnetworks.com> Nils Breunese wrote: > Peter Scheie wrote: > >> I think you'll have to elaborate on what you want to prevent. Using >> a web browser is 'file sharing', as is much of computer >> communication, in that the user's computer requests a file, in this >> case an html file, from another computer, the web server. >> >> If you're talking about bittorrent traffic, you could block ports >> 6881-6999 on your external firewall. > > Though that won't really block all BitTorrent as it's pretty easy to > set the port you want to use in the BitTorrent client. I use 16881 > myself for instance. Probably better to block *all* ports by default > and only open up the ones that are really needed. > > Nils Breunese. > With BitTorrent, it's worse. Remember that we now have not just encrypted BitTorrent, but port-hopping BitTorrent. We have to deal with this, too. Your BitTorrent client finds that can't talk on its "regular" ports (TCP 6881-6999)? Azureus, among others, will randomly port-hop *and* encrypt, specifically to defeat both firewalls *and* protocol analyzers. It's very effective. We "stop" it at the Internet gateway, and we do it with a fairly strict "this is what's 'allowed' outbound" policy. We use a Packeteer to shape everything but TCP 80, TCP 443, and certain other TCP/UDP ports down to, maybe, 10Kb/sec. Thus, when Azureus goes a-port-hoppin, fine! It's limited to 10Kb...shared by EVERYONE. Meanwhile, TCP 80, TCP 443, etc. work at normal multi-megabit speed. Yes, it's a dirty, sneaky, nasty trick...and it works really well. You could do the same thing with a Linux or OpenBSD gateway. A little iptables/pf QoS magic is all you need. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mistrz.linux at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 15:28:12 2007 From: mistrz.linux at yahoo.com (EJBoshinski) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing Message-ID: <665595.49701.qm@web58614.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Essentially this is exactly what a NAC appliance can do for you. I haven't worked on the equipment for over a year, but from what I have seen in the tech rags lately is that they have evolved quite a bit. I worked on a product called Clean Access from Cisco, and one of the scenarios that they had was to install a small authentication module on each end device. When a user would attempt to access the network (via DHCP), the machine would first be matched against whatever policies you would dictate. If it did not pass, the machine would be shunted off to a separate VLAN to remediate the machine into compliance (service packs, hot fixes, AV patches, etc.) before it would allowed on the "normal" internal subnet. There are other offerings out there now besides Cisco, many based on Linux. It was quiet interesting when I first cracked the box to find out that it too was running on Linux - Fedora, if I remember correctly.... The "integration into the switches" is accomplished by using VLANs, so there is a lot more to setting up your logical network topology than just plugging everything together. But in the end, it is quite effective at controlling who and what gets on your internal network. I suggest that you have a google look at NAC, "network admission control" & "network acess control" for more indepth information. Of course, this is all predicated by what your resources are to accomplish this end result ;-) -ejb ----- Original Message ---- From: Mel Wade To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:02:37 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing This is what I was thinking. I can effectively block P2P from the outside by blocking ports. The real problem is getting a handle on the large amount of file sharing going on within the network. I would really like to have something that would require monitoring software be in place in order to have access to the network. I'm guessing this would have to integrate into the switches themselves. Mel On 4/20/07, EJBoshinski wrote: Depending on the physical topology of your network, without a complete network admission compliance policy it may be nearly impossible to implement. Firewalls typically sit at the network edge and do not mediate internal traffic, thus anything on your local subnet will pass unabated unless a firewall is placed at each congregation point (ie - read switch - however even this is incomlete as any traffic internal to the switch will not encounter the firewall). The only complete solution is to have NAC in place that stipulates rulesets that must be met before access is granted to the network. This is where you can enforce your network policies. If you don't meet our standards, you don't get on.... I did some work on this about a year ago with a MAJOR network gear manufacturer's first step into this market - suffice it to say that the solution at that time was incomplete and convoluted. However in the interim I believe that the technology has improved sufficiently to be able to achieve your desired results. The major hurdle is to get the 'powers that be' to buy into the project and the underlying policies of network access control.... HTH, -ejb ----- Original Message ---- From: Mel Wade < mel at melwade.com> To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:55:47 AM Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing We are looking for a solution to stop file sharing on student owned computers on our network. Anyone have a solution? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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I've put up a screen shot here: http://www.kentoncityschools.org/helpdesk/flash.jpg Any ideas? -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools From mel at melwade.com Fri Apr 20 16:52:13 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:52:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing In-Reply-To: <665595.49701.qm@web58614.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <665595.49701.qm@web58614.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43080f460704200952g2a912df7n77203a78dae26a90@mail.gmail.com> Thanks. I'll look into this... Goggling away... It seems there are a number of competitors out there. That's good news as well. I love choices and competition! On 4/20/07, EJBoshinski wrote: > > Essentially this is exactly what a NAC appliance can do for you. I > haven't worked on the equipment for over a year, but from what I have seen > in the tech rags lately is that they have evolved quite a bit. I worked on > a product called Clean Access from Cisco, and one of the scenarios that they > had was to install a small authentication module on each end device. When a > user would attempt to access the network (via DHCP), the machine would first > be matched against whatever policies you would dictate. If it did not pass, > the machine would be shunted off to a separate VLAN to remediate the machine > into compliance (service packs, hot fixes, AV patches, etc.) before it would > allowed on the "normal" internal subnet. There are other offerings out > there now besides Cisco, many based on Linux. It was quiet interesting when > I first cracked the box to find out that it too was running on Linux - > Fedora, if I remember correctly.... > > The "integration into the switches" is accomplished by using VLANs, so > there is a lot more to setting up your logical network topology than just > plugging everything together. But in the end, it is quite effective at > controlling who and what gets on your internal network. I suggest that you > have a google look at NAC, "network admission control" & "network acess > control" for more indepth information. Of course, this is all predicated by > what your resources are to accomplish this end result ;-) > > -ejb > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mel Wade > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:02:37 AM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > > This is what I was thinking. I can effectively block P2P from the outside > by blocking ports. The real problem is getting a handle on the large amount > of file sharing going on within the network. I would really like to have > something that would require monitoring software be in place in order to > have access to the network. I'm guessing this would have to integrate into > the switches themselves. > > Mel > > On 4/20/07, EJBoshinski wrote: > > > > Depending on the physical topology of your network, without a complete > > network admission compliance policy it may be nearly impossible to > > implement. Firewalls typically sit at the network edge and do not mediate > > internal traffic, thus anything on your local subnet will pass unabated > > unless a firewall is placed at each congregation point (ie - read switch - > > however even this is incomlete as any traffic internal to the switch will > > not encounter the firewall). The only complete solution is to have NAC in > > place that stipulates rulesets that must be met before access is granted to > > the network. This is where you can enforce your network policies. If you > > don't meet our standards, you don't get on.... I did some work on this > > about a year ago with a MAJOR network gear manufacturer's first step into > > this market - suffice it to say that the solution at that time was > > incomplete and convoluted. However in the interim I believe that the > > technology has improved sufficiently to be able to achieve your desired > > results. The major hurdle is to get the 'powers that be' to buy into the > > project and the underlying policies of network access control.... > > > > HTH, > > > > -ejb > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Mel Wade < mel at melwade.com> > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:55:47 AM > > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > > > > We are looking for a solution to stop file sharing on student owned > > computers on our network. Anyone have a solution? > > > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > > BF Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------ > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhbarr at gozelle.com Fri Apr 20 20:06:58 2007 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:06:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Clients Behind an LTSP Server In-Reply-To: <1177066718.3517.7.camel@howick.ltsp> References: <20070420012148.GA11030@clubber.owens.net> <1177066718.3517.7.camel@howick.ltsp> Message-ID: On 4/20/07, Gustav Kramer wrote: > On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 21:21 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > > > >When a client PC is booted up as Windows, > > > > > > > >a) can it ping a server on the Internet by IP address (e.g. 172.x.y.z) > > > >as opposed to server name (e.g. www.google.com)? > > > > > > No, it ping by IP. This was meant to say "Yes, it can ping by IP." I have no idea what made me type this. > Late last year I had a similar problem and found an answer in the > archives suggesting checking the firewall settings. Here's and excerpt: > > "I found while looking at the Linux Firewall module in Webmin that only > lo was set to accept any traffic but that eth0 was not. I added a rule > to accept any traffic on eth0 and now my internal workstations get > through the firewall just fine." > > Here's the link if you want to follow the whole thread: > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-December/msg00062.html > > It worked for me, YMMV. My mileage did not, in fact, vary. Thanks for the tip. I installed webmin, added a rule to accept all traffic on eth0, and presto-chango it works. Thanks for all the helpful responses. -dhbarr. From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 22:11:44 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:11:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing In-Reply-To: <43080f460704200702x37f088f7nd8d9c4d3f447c9d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <574303.33838.qm@web58607.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <43080f460704200702x37f088f7nd8d9c4d3f447c9d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200704201811.44204.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Friday 20 April 2007 10:02, Mel Wade wrote: > This is what I was thinking. I can effectively block P2P from the outside > by blocking ports. The real problem is getting a handle on the large > amount of file sharing going on within the network. I would really like to > have something that would require monitoring software be in place in order > to have access to the network. I'm guessing this would have to integrate > into the switches themselves. > There are several technical approaches that come to mind, but they may create more problems than the solve. In order for your users to exchange content then they need to be allowed on the net, so you need to either prevent them from connecting altogether, or you need to be able to allow access only to authenticated users access and be able to monitor them. The first case can be accomplished by "locking down" each switch port by MAC address (for school computers) and disabling open ports (to prevent student computers from being able to connect). This will reduce the usability of the net (student computers can't use the net) and adds to the operational difficulty of moves adds and changes. It also assumes that your switches are "managed" instead of "dumb". The second case assumes that you have an affective acceptable use policy that that clearly identifies what may and may not take place on the network and enforcing any violation. Many managed switches can be set up to require IEEE 802.1X authentication against a RADIUS server and can perform accounting so you know what user is using which port at what times. Many switches also allow any port to be mirrored to a "monitor port" to which you can attach a protocol analyzer (allowing you to spot the "illegal" traffic). This requires active monitoring and enforcment and may not be a good use of your time. If you invested in expensive Layer 3 switches, it might be possible to prevent inter-subnet P2P traffic (in a manner similar to that suggested for the perimeter firwall above), but you would still be faced with intra-segment sharing. Wifi can be implemented using the same IEEE 802.1X authentication and accounting as managed switches. Once the perimeter is controlled (at the firewall) the other measures provide diminishing returns due to the personnel time required for monitoring and enforcement. I can't emphasize enough the vital importance of a clear and enforcable Acceptable Use Policy, without that being understood by all parties, you won't be able to enforce anything. Not all solutions are technical. I don't think there is a "silver bullet" to techincally solve this problem. If ever there is, I predict it will be expensive. > Mel > > On 4/20/07, EJBoshinski wrote: > > Depending on the physical topology of your network, without a complete > > network admission compliance policy it may be nearly impossible to > > implement. Firewalls typically sit at the network edge and do not > > mediate internal traffic, thus anything on your local subnet will pass > > unabated unless a firewall is placed at each congregation point (ie - > > read switch - however even this is incomlete as any traffic internal to > > the switch will not encounter the firewall). The only complete solution > > is to have NAC in place that stipulates rulesets that must be met before > > access is granted to the network. This is where you can enforce your > > network policies. If you don't meet our standards, you don't get on.... > > I did some work on this about a year ago with a MAJOR network gear > > manufacturer's first step into this market - suffice it to say that the > > solution at that time was incomplete and convoluted. However in the > > interim I believe that the technology has improved sufficiently to be > > able to achieve your desired results. The major hurdle is to get the > > 'powers that be' to buy into the project and the underlying policies of > > network access control.... > > > > HTH, > > > > -ejb > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Mel Wade > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:55:47 AM > > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > > > > We are looking for a solution to stop file sharing on student owned > > computers on our network. Anyone have a solution? > > > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > > Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > Check out new cars at Yahoo! > > Autos. >html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNh > >cnM-> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From steven at simplycircus.com Fri Apr 20 22:35:56 2007 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:35:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing In-Reply-To: <200704201811.44204.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have read a lot of what I would call heavy handed technical aproaches to this. What I still don't understand is exactly what kind of file sharing you are trying to prevent, and why. _____ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of John Lucas > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 6:12 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > > > On Friday 20 April 2007 10:02, Mel Wade wrote: > > This is what I was thinking. I can effectively block P2P from > the outside > > by blocking ports. The real problem is getting a handle on the large > > amount of file sharing going on within the network. I would > really like to > > have something that would require monitoring software be in > place in order > > to have access to the network. I'm guessing this would have to > integrate > > into the switches themselves. > > > > There are several technical approaches that come to mind, but > they may create > more problems than the solve. In order for your users to exchange content > then they need to be allowed on the net, so you need to either > prevent them > from connecting altogether, or you need to be able to allow > access only to > authenticated users access and be able to monitor them. > > The first case can be accomplished by "locking down" each switch > port by MAC > address (for school computers) and disabling open ports (to > prevent student > computers from being able to connect). This will reduce the > usability of the > net (student computers can't use the net) and adds to the operational > difficulty of moves adds and changes. It also assumes that your > switches are > "managed" instead of "dumb". > > The second case assumes that you have an affective acceptable use > policy that > that clearly identifies what may and may not take place on the > network and > enforcing any violation. Many managed switches can be set up to > require IEEE > 802.1X authentication against a RADIUS server and can perform > accounting so > you know what user is using which port at what times. Many switches also > allow any port to be mirrored to a "monitor port" to which you > can attach a > protocol analyzer (allowing you to spot the "illegal" traffic). > This requires > active monitoring and enforcment and may not be a good use of > your time. If > you invested in expensive Layer 3 switches, it might be possible > to prevent > inter-subnet P2P traffic (in a manner similar to that suggested for the > perimeter firwall above), but you would still be faced with intra-segment > sharing. > > Wifi can be implemented using the same IEEE 802.1X authentication and > accounting as managed switches. > > Once the perimeter is controlled (at the firewall) the other > measures provide > diminishing returns due to the personnel time required for monitoring and > enforcement. I can't emphasize enough the vital importance of a clear and > enforcable Acceptable Use Policy, without that being understood by all > parties, you won't be able to enforce anything. Not all solutions are > technical. > > I don't think there is a "silver bullet" to techincally solve > this problem. If > ever there is, I predict it will be expensive. > > > Mel > > > > On 4/20/07, EJBoshinski wrote: > > > Depending on the physical topology of your network, without a complete > > > network admission compliance policy it may be nearly impossible to > > > implement. Firewalls typically sit at the network edge and do not > > > mediate internal traffic, thus anything on your local subnet will pass > > > unabated unless a firewall is placed at each congregation point (ie - > > > read switch - however even this is incomlete as any traffic > internal to > > > the switch will not encounter the firewall). The only > complete solution > > > is to have NAC in place that stipulates rulesets that must be > met before > > > access is granted to the network. This is where you can enforce your > > > network policies. If you don't meet our standards, you don't > get on.... > > > I did some work on this about a year ago with a MAJOR network gear > > > manufacturer's first step into this market - suffice it to > say that the > > > solution at that time was incomplete and convoluted. However in the > > > interim I believe that the technology has improved sufficiently to be > > > able to achieve your desired results. The major hurdle is to get the > > > 'powers that be' to buy into the project and the underlying > policies of > > > network access control.... > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > -ejb > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Mel Wade > > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:55:47 AM > > > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > > > > > > We are looking for a solution to stop file sharing on student owned > > > computers on our network. Anyone have a solution? > > > > > > -- > > > Mel Wade > > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether > men do." - BF > > > Skinner > > > http://www.melwade.com _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > > Check out new cars at Yahoo! > > > > Autos. > > >html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGs > DbmV3LWNh > > >cnM-> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mel at melwade.com Fri Apr 20 23:33:26 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:33:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing In-Reply-To: References: <200704201811.44204.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460704201633x174878d7n44cdfd4a80ab7e6b@mail.gmail.com> We have movies, music, etc being shared across the network. I found this product but it starts at about $22k with discount and runs up to about $100k for our application. *http://tinyurl.com/2cqt6y *Great product but too much money. I wish there was an open source solution for NAC. On 4/20/07, Steven Santos wrote: > > I have read a lot of what I would call heavy handed technical aproaches to > this. What I still don't understand is exactly what kind of file sharing > you are trying to prevent, and why. > > > > _____ > > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 617-527-0667 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > > Behalf Of John Lucas > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 6:12 PM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > > > > > > On Friday 20 April 2007 10:02, Mel Wade wrote: > > > This is what I was thinking. I can effectively block P2P from > > the outside > > > by blocking ports. The real problem is getting a handle on the large > > > amount of file sharing going on within the network. I would > > really like to > > > have something that would require monitoring software be in > > place in order > > > to have access to the network. I'm guessing this would have to > > integrate > > > into the switches themselves. > > > > > > > There are several technical approaches that come to mind, but > > they may create > > more problems than the solve. In order for your users to exchange > content > > then they need to be allowed on the net, so you need to either > > prevent them > > from connecting altogether, or you need to be able to allow > > access only to > > authenticated users access and be able to monitor them. > > > > The first case can be accomplished by "locking down" each switch > > port by MAC > > address (for school computers) and disabling open ports (to > > prevent student > > computers from being able to connect). This will reduce the > > usability of the > > net (student computers can't use the net) and adds to the operational > > difficulty of moves adds and changes. It also assumes that your > > switches are > > "managed" instead of "dumb". > > > > The second case assumes that you have an affective acceptable use > > policy that > > that clearly identifies what may and may not take place on the > > network and > > enforcing any violation. Many managed switches can be set up to > > require IEEE > > 802.1X authentication against a RADIUS server and can perform > > accounting so > > you know what user is using which port at what times. Many switches also > > allow any port to be mirrored to a "monitor port" to which you > > can attach a > > protocol analyzer (allowing you to spot the "illegal" traffic). > > This requires > > active monitoring and enforcment and may not be a good use of > > your time. If > > you invested in expensive Layer 3 switches, it might be possible > > to prevent > > inter-subnet P2P traffic (in a manner similar to that suggested for the > > perimeter firwall above), but you would still be faced with > intra-segment > > sharing. > > > > Wifi can be implemented using the same IEEE 802.1X authentication and > > accounting as managed switches. > > > > Once the perimeter is controlled (at the firewall) the other > > measures provide > > diminishing returns due to the personnel time required for monitoring > and > > enforcement. I can't emphasize enough the vital importance of a clear > and > > enforcable Acceptable Use Policy, without that being understood by all > > parties, you won't be able to enforce anything. Not all solutions are > > technical. > > > > I don't think there is a "silver bullet" to techincally solve > > this problem. If > > ever there is, I predict it will be expensive. > > > > > Mel > > > > > > On 4/20/07, EJBoshinski wrote: > > > > Depending on the physical topology of your network, without a > complete > > > > network admission compliance policy it may be nearly impossible to > > > > implement. Firewalls typically sit at the network edge and do not > > > > mediate internal traffic, thus anything on your local subnet will > pass > > > > unabated unless a firewall is placed at each congregation point (ie > - > > > > read switch - however even this is incomlete as any traffic > > internal to > > > > the switch will not encounter the firewall). The only > > complete solution > > > > is to have NAC in place that stipulates rulesets that must be > > met before > > > > access is granted to the network. This is where you can enforce > your > > > > network policies. If you don't meet our standards, you don't > > get on.... > > > > I did some work on this about a year ago with a MAJOR network gear > > > > manufacturer's first step into this market - suffice it to > > say that the > > > > solution at that time was incomplete and convoluted. However in the > > > > interim I believe that the technology has improved sufficiently to > be > > > > able to achieve your desired results. The major hurdle is to get > the > > > > 'powers that be' to buy into the project and the underlying > > policies of > > > > network access control.... > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > > > -ejb > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > From: Mel Wade > > > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:55:47 AM > > > > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > > > > > > > > We are looking for a solution to stop file sharing on student owned > > > > computers on our network. Anyone have a solution? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mel Wade > > > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether > > men do." - BF > > > > Skinner > > > > http://www.melwade.com_______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > > > Check out new cars at Yahoo! > > > > > > Autos. . > > > > > >html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGs > > DbmV3LWNh > > > >cnM-> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > -- > > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > > - Mark Twain > > > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > > | > > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 > http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) > | > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steven at simplycircus.com Fri Apr 20 23:43:38 2007 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:43:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing In-Reply-To: <43080f460704201633x174878d7n44cdfd4a80ab7e6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Is this causing bandwidth problems for your network? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Mel Wade Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:33 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing We have movies, music, etc being shared across the network. I found this product but it starts at about $22k with discount and runs up to about $100k for our application. http://tinyurl.com/2cqt6y Great product but too much money. I wish there was an open source solution for NAC. On 4/20/07, Steven Santos < steven at simplycircus.com> wrote: I have read a lot of what I would call heavy handed technical aproaches to this. What I still don't understand is exactly what kind of file sharing you are trying to prevent, and why. _____ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of John Lucas > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 6:12 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > > > On Friday 20 April 2007 10:02, Mel Wade wrote: > > This is what I was thinking. I can effectively block P2P from > the outside > > by blocking ports. The real problem is getting a handle on the large > > amount of file sharing going on within the network. I would > really like to > > have something that would require monitoring software be in > place in order > > to have access to the network. I'm guessing this would have to > integrate > > into the switches themselves. > > > > There are several technical approaches that come to mind, but > they may create > more problems than the solve. In order for your users to exchange content > then they need to be allowed on the net, so you need to either > prevent them > from connecting altogether, or you need to be able to allow > access only to > authenticated users access and be able to monitor them. > > The first case can be accomplished by "locking down" each switch > port by MAC > address (for school computers) and disabling open ports (to > prevent student > computers from being able to connect). This will reduce the > usability of the > net (student computers can't use the net) and adds to the operational > difficulty of moves adds and changes. It also assumes that your > switches are > "managed" instead of "dumb". > > The second case assumes that you have an affective acceptable use > policy that > that clearly identifies what may and may not take place on the > network and > enforcing any violation. Many managed switches can be set up to > require IEEE > 802.1X authentication against a RADIUS server and can perform > accounting so > you know what user is using which port at what times. Many switches also > allow any port to be mirrored to a "monitor port" to which you > can attach a > protocol analyzer (allowing you to spot the "illegal" traffic). > This requires > active monitoring and enforcment and may not be a good use of > your time. If > you invested in expensive Layer 3 switches, it might be possible > to prevent > inter-subnet P2P traffic (in a manner similar to that suggested for the > perimeter firwall above), but you would still be faced with intra-segment > sharing. > > Wifi can be implemented using the same IEEE 802.1X authentication and > accounting as managed switches. > > Once the perimeter is controlled (at the firewall) the other > measures provide > diminishing returns due to the personnel time required for monitoring and > enforcement. I can't emphasize enough the vital importance of a clear and > enforcable Acceptable Use Policy, without that being understood by all > parties, you won't be able to enforce anything. Not all solutions are > technical. > > I don't think there is a "silver bullet" to techincally solve > this problem. If > ever there is, I predict it will be expensive. > > > Mel > > > > On 4/20/07, EJBoshinski wrote: > > > Depending on the physical topology of your network, without a complete > > > network admission compliance policy it may be nearly impossible to > > > implement. Firewalls typically sit at the network edge and do not > > > mediate internal traffic, thus anything on your local subnet will pass > > > unabated unless a firewall is placed at each congregation point (ie - > > > read switch - however even this is incomlete as any traffic > internal to > > > the switch will not encounter the firewall). The only > complete solution > > > is to have NAC in place that stipulates rulesets that must be > met before > > > access is granted to the network. This is where you can enforce your > > > network policies. If you don't meet our standards, you don't > get on.... > > > I did some work on this about a year ago with a MAJOR network gear > > > manufacturer's first step into this market - suffice it to > say that the > > > solution at that time was incomplete and convoluted. However in the > > > interim I believe that the technology has improved sufficiently to be > > > able to achieve your desired results. The major hurdle is to get the > > > 'powers that be' to buy into the project and the underlying > policies of > > > network access control.... > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > -ejb > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Mel Wade < mel at melwade.com> > > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:55:47 AM > > > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > > > > > > We are looking for a solution to stop file sharing on student owned > > > computers on our network. Anyone have a solution? > > > > > > -- > > > Mel Wade > > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether > men do." - BF > > > Skinner > > > http://www.melwade.com _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > > Check out new cars at Yahoo! > > > > Autos. > > >html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGs > DbmV3LWNh > > >cnM-> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Fri Apr 20 23:46:20 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:46:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing In-Reply-To: References: <43080f460704201633x174878d7n44cdfd4a80ab7e6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460704201646n5bb58585nfd00df204361a681@mail.gmail.com> Yes, and since we are a boarding high school there are safety and legal issues as well as AUP enforcement. On 4/20/07, Steven Santos wrote: > > Is this causing bandwidth problems for your network? > > ------------------------------ > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 617-527-0667 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]*On > Behalf Of *Mel Wade > *Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2007 7:33 PM > *To:* Support list for open source software in schools. > *Subject:* Re: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > > We have movies, music, etc being shared across the network. > > I found this product but it starts at about $22k with discount and runs up > to about $100k for our application. > *http://tinyurl.com/2cqt6y > > *Great product but too much money. I wish there was an open source > solution for NAC. > > On 4/20/07, Steven Santos < steven at simplycircus.com> wrote: > > > > I have read a lot of what I would call heavy handed technical aproaches > > to this. What I still don't understand is exactly what kind of file sharing > > you are trying to prevent, and why. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Steven Santos > > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > > Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > > Newton, MA 02462 > > Phone: 617-527-0667 > > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > > > Behalf Of John Lucas > > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 6:12 PM > > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > > > > > > > > > On Friday 20 April 2007 10:02, Mel Wade wrote: > > > > This is what I was thinking. I can effectively block P2P from > > > the outside > > > > by blocking ports. The real problem is getting a handle on the > > large > > > > amount of file sharing going on within the network. I would > > > really like to > > > > have something that would require monitoring software be in > > > place in order > > > > to have access to the network. I'm guessing this would have to > > > integrate > > > > into the switches themselves. > > > > > > > > > > There are several technical approaches that come to mind, but > > > they may create > > > more problems than the solve. In order for your users to exchange > > content > > > then they need to be allowed on the net, so you need to either > > > prevent them > > > from connecting altogether, or you need to be able to allow > > > access only to > > > authenticated users access and be able to monitor them. > > > > > > The first case can be accomplished by "locking down" each switch > > > port by MAC > > > address (for school computers) and disabling open ports (to > > > prevent student > > > computers from being able to connect). This will reduce the > > > usability of the > > > net (student computers can't use the net) and adds to the operational > > > difficulty of moves adds and changes. It also assumes that your > > > switches are > > > "managed" instead of "dumb". > > > > > > The second case assumes that you have an affective acceptable use > > > policy that > > > that clearly identifies what may and may not take place on the > > > network and > > > enforcing any violation. Many managed switches can be set up to > > > require IEEE > > > 802.1X authentication against a RADIUS server and can perform > > > accounting so > > > you know what user is using which port at what times. Many switches > > also > > > allow any port to be mirrored to a "monitor port" to which you > > > can attach a > > > protocol analyzer (allowing you to spot the "illegal" traffic). > > > This requires > > > active monitoring and enforcment and may not be a good use of > > > your time. If > > > you invested in expensive Layer 3 switches, it might be possible > > > to prevent > > > inter-subnet P2P traffic (in a manner similar to that suggested for > > the > > > perimeter firwall above), but you would still be faced with > > intra-segment > > > sharing. > > > > > > Wifi can be implemented using the same IEEE 802.1X authentication and > > > accounting as managed switches. > > > > > > Once the perimeter is controlled (at the firewall) the other > > > measures provide > > > diminishing returns due to the personnel time required for monitoring > > and > > > enforcement. I can't emphasize enough the vital importance of a clear > > and > > > enforcable Acceptable Use Policy, without that being understood by all > > > > > parties, you won't be able to enforce anything. Not all solutions are > > > technical. > > > > > > I don't think there is a "silver bullet" to techincally solve > > > this problem. If > > > ever there is, I predict it will be expensive. > > > > > > > Mel > > > > > > > > On 4/20/07, EJBoshinski wrote: > > > > > Depending on the physical topology of your network, without a > > complete > > > > > network admission compliance policy it may be nearly impossible to > > > > > implement. Firewalls typically sit at the network edge and do not > > > > > mediate internal traffic, thus anything on your local subnet will > > pass > > > > > unabated unless a firewall is placed at each congregation point > > (ie - > > > > > read switch - however even this is incomlete as any traffic > > > internal to > > > > > the switch will not encounter the firewall). The only > > > complete solution > > > > > is to have NAC in place that stipulates rulesets that must be > > > met before > > > > > access is granted to the network. This is where you can enforce > > your > > > > > network policies. If you don't meet our standards, you don't > > > get on.... > > > > > I did some work on this about a year ago with a MAJOR network gear > > > > > manufacturer's first step into this market - suffice it to > > > say that the > > > > > solution at that time was incomplete and convoluted. However in > > the > > > > > interim I believe that the technology has improved sufficiently to > > be > > > > > able to achieve your desired results. The major hurdle is to get > > the > > > > > 'powers that be' to buy into the project and the underlying > > > policies of > > > > > network access control.... > > > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > > > > > -ejb > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > > From: Mel Wade < mel at melwade.com> > > > > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:55:47 AM > > > > > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > > > > > > > > > > We are looking for a solution to stop file sharing on student > > owned > > > > > computers on our network. Anyone have a solution? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Mel Wade > > > > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether > > > men do." - BF > > > > > Skinner > > > > > http://www.melwade.com_______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > > > > Check out new cars at Yahoo! > > > > > > > > Autos.< > > http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars. > > > > > > > >html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGs > > > DbmV3LWNh > > > > >cnM-> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > > > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > > > - Mark Twain > > > > > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > > > | > > > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 > > http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | > > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST > > (UTC-4) | > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at ptd.net Sat Apr 21 00:38:55 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:38:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing In-Reply-To: <43080f460704201633x174878d7n44cdfd4a80ab7e6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200704201811.44204.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <43080f460704201633x174878d7n44cdfd4a80ab7e6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070421003855.GA13478@clubber.owens.net> How about simply running a cron job that deletes all *.mpg, *.wmv, etc, or deletes all files above a certain filesize, or some combination of both? Then there will be nothing to share. -Rob On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 04:33:26PM -0700, Mel Wade wrote: > We have movies, music, etc being shared across the network. > > I found this product but it starts at about $22k with discount and runs up > to about $100k for our application. > *http://tinyurl.com/2cqt6y > > *Great product but too much money. I wish there was an open source solution > for NAC. > > On 4/20/07, Steven Santos wrote: > > > >I have read a lot of what I would call heavy handed technical aproaches to > >this. What I still don't understand is exactly what kind of file sharing > >you are trying to prevent, and why. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > >Steven Santos > >Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > >Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > >Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > > Newton, MA 02462 > >Phone: 617-527-0667 > > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > >> Behalf Of John Lucas > >> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 6:12 PM > >> To: k12osn at redhat.com > >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > >> > >> > >> On Friday 20 April 2007 10:02, Mel Wade wrote: > >> > This is what I was thinking. I can effectively block P2P from > >> the outside > >> > by blocking ports. The real problem is getting a handle on the large > >> > amount of file sharing going on within the network. I would > >> really like to > >> > have something that would require monitoring software be in > >> place in order > >> > to have access to the network. I'm guessing this would have to > >> integrate > >> > into the switches themselves. > >> > > >> > >> There are several technical approaches that come to mind, but > >> they may create > >> more problems than the solve. In order for your users to exchange > >content > >> then they need to be allowed on the net, so you need to either > >> prevent them > >> from connecting altogether, or you need to be able to allow > >> access only to > >> authenticated users access and be able to monitor them. > >> > >> The first case can be accomplished by "locking down" each switch > >> port by MAC > >> address (for school computers) and disabling open ports (to > >> prevent student > >> computers from being able to connect). This will reduce the > >> usability of the > >> net (student computers can't use the net) and adds to the operational > >> difficulty of moves adds and changes. It also assumes that your > >> switches are > >> "managed" instead of "dumb". > >> > >> The second case assumes that you have an affective acceptable use > >> policy that > >> that clearly identifies what may and may not take place on the > >> network and > >> enforcing any violation. Many managed switches can be set up to > >> require IEEE > >> 802.1X authentication against a RADIUS server and can perform > >> accounting so > >> you know what user is using which port at what times. Many switches also > >> allow any port to be mirrored to a "monitor port" to which you > >> can attach a > >> protocol analyzer (allowing you to spot the "illegal" traffic). > >> This requires > >> active monitoring and enforcment and may not be a good use of > >> your time. If > >> you invested in expensive Layer 3 switches, it might be possible > >> to prevent > >> inter-subnet P2P traffic (in a manner similar to that suggested for the > >> perimeter firwall above), but you would still be faced with > >intra-segment > >> sharing. > >> > >> Wifi can be implemented using the same IEEE 802.1X authentication and > >> accounting as managed switches. > >> > >> Once the perimeter is controlled (at the firewall) the other > >> measures provide > >> diminishing returns due to the personnel time required for monitoring > >and > >> enforcement. I can't emphasize enough the vital importance of a clear > >and > >> enforcable Acceptable Use Policy, without that being understood by all > >> parties, you won't be able to enforce anything. Not all solutions are > >> technical. > >> > >> I don't think there is a "silver bullet" to techincally solve > >> this problem. If > >> ever there is, I predict it will be expensive. > >> > >> > Mel > >> > > >> > On 4/20/07, EJBoshinski wrote: > >> > > Depending on the physical topology of your network, without a > >complete > >> > > network admission compliance policy it may be nearly impossible to > >> > > implement. Firewalls typically sit at the network edge and do not > >> > > mediate internal traffic, thus anything on your local subnet will > >pass > >> > > unabated unless a firewall is placed at each congregation point (ie > >- > >> > > read switch - however even this is incomlete as any traffic > >> internal to > >> > > the switch will not encounter the firewall). The only > >> complete solution > >> > > is to have NAC in place that stipulates rulesets that must be > >> met before > >> > > access is granted to the network. This is where you can enforce > >your > >> > > network policies. If you don't meet our standards, you don't > >> get on.... > >> > > I did some work on this about a year ago with a MAJOR network gear > >> > > manufacturer's first step into this market - suffice it to > >> say that the > >> > > solution at that time was incomplete and convoluted. However in the > >> > > interim I believe that the technology has improved sufficiently to > >be > >> > > able to achieve your desired results. The major hurdle is to get > >the > >> > > 'powers that be' to buy into the project and the underlying > >> policies of > >> > > network access control.... > >> > > > >> > > HTH, > >> > > > >> > > -ejb > >> > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ---- > >> > > From: Mel Wade > >> > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > >> > >> > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:55:47 AM > >> > > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing > >> > > > >> > > We are looking for a solution to stop file sharing on student owned > >> > > computers on our network. Anyone have a solution? > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Mel Wade > >> > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether > >> men do." - BF > >> > > Skinner > >> > > http://www.melwade.com_______________________________________________ > >> > > K12OSN mailing list > >> > > K12OSN at redhat.com > >> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> > > For more info see > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------ > >> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > >> > > Check out new cars at Yahoo! > >> > > > >> Autos. >. > >> > > >> >html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGs > >> DbmV3LWNh > >> > >cnM-> > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > K12OSN mailing list > >> > > K12OSN at redhat.com > >> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> > > For more info see > >> > >> -- > >> "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > >> - Mark Twain > >> > >> | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > >> | > >> | St. Thomas, VI 00802 > >http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | > >| 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) > >| > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rowens at ptd.net Sat Apr 21 00:40:13 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:40:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: pam_mount asks for password twice In-Reply-To: <2be970b50704190941i41c949b2h56388cd88ff1b5c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070418001235.GA7231@clubber.owens.net> <2be970b50704190941i41c949b2h56388cd88ff1b5c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070421004013.GB13478@clubber.owens.net> Thanks. I have it working properly on CentOS 4 now, but Ubuntu 6.06 still asks twice. Perhaps it's a bug in that version of pam_mount. I'll have to look into it some more. -Rob On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 09:41:51AM -0700, john wrote: > Hi Rob, > > This can be fixed by editing your pam files. Basically you need to > tell pam to accept the first credential that is correct and not to ask > again once thats happened. I use winbind and I configured my > /etc/pam.d/gdm file to look like this: > > #%PAM-1.0 > auth requisite pam_nologin.so > auth required pam_mount.so > auth sufficient pam_winbind.so use_first_pass > auth sufficient pam_unix.so nullok_secure use_first_pass > auth required pam_env.so > @include common-auth > account sufficient pam_mount.so > @include common-account > session required pam_limits.so > session optional pam_console.so > @include common-session > @include common-password > session optional pam_mount.so > > It works for me, although I don't fully understand it. :-) > > John > > On 4/17/07, Rob Owens wrote: > >I just tried pam_mount on Ubuntu 6.06 for the first time and it works > >great. The only complaint I have is that on gdm login, it asks for the > >user's password twice. Is this normal behavior, or is there a way > >around it? > > > >Thanks > > > >-Rob > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From vince at totalsense.com Sat Apr 21 03:59:38 2007 From: vince at totalsense.com (Vince Callaway) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:59:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Stopping P2P sharing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1177127978.8838.10.camel@dbserver> On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 18:35 -0400, Steven Santos wrote: > I have read a lot of what I would call heavy handed technical aproaches to this. What I still don't understand is exactly what kind of file sharing you are trying to prevent, and why. The specific problem is with BitTorrent clients. I will only comment on a technical standpoint. These P2P fileshare programs if not setup correctly can completely saturate a network in a short period of time. A small number of clients running at full speed can have the same effect as a denial of service attack. P2P can be setup to work well by having only one client computer. That computer using Azureus can be managed remotely and users can add files remotely. Doing that allows for bandwidth control and scheduling usage for off peak times. If blocking it is a big issue you might check your ISP. Several are employing blocking and throttling technology. I know that Clearwire does. It is something they disclosed AFTER a two year contract was signed. Unfortunately that is a whole separate thread. From phealy at dsta.net Sun Apr 22 02:10:19 2007 From: phealy at dsta.net (Patrick Healy) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:10:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repairing Adobe Reader Plugin for Firefox on K12LTSP 6 Message-ID: <1177207819.13258.6.camel@altair> I just posted the following to the wiki as a reference in case anyone is experiencing a similar problem. -- Patrick Healy Palm Desert High School (Lurker and K12LTSP user since v.1.0 2001) Problem: On upgrade to K12LTSP version 6, the Adobe Reader plugin ceased to work, even with the most updated versions listed below. Links to pdf's would still open in a new window of acroread, but this is different than opening directly within firefox. The main difficulty was that links from within the opened pdf failed to function. The cause of this problem was that the file nppdf.so wasn't being placed in the proper location for firefox plugins, and the automatic install scripts couldn't find the directory (which changes with each upgrade of firefox). The following command fixed the problem. cp /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.10/plugins/ Installed rpm/versions: K12LTSP release 6.0.0-2 Fedora Core release 6 (Zod) AdobeReader_enu-7.0.9-1 acroread-plugin-7.0.8-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 firefox-1.5.0.10-5.fc6 From karisue at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 03:18:12 2007 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:18:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] teleconferencing Message-ID: Hi all, I am looking at solutions for teleconferencing. The goal is to hire one teacher to deliver lessons to a handful of schools (probably 2-5 locations). I am looking now at Polycom (because I have access to one) but also trying to figure out what it would take to put together a FOSS solution (like, Ekiga). Can anyone comment on brands, software, hardware, etc.? Thanks, kari m. -- *~*~*~*~*~* got root? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] teleconferencing > From: "Kari Matthews" > Date: Sat, April 21, 2007 10:18 pm > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Hi all, I am looking at solutions for teleconferencing. The goal is to > hire one teacher to deliver lessons to a handful of schools (probably > 2-5 locations). I am looking now at Polycom (because I have access to > one) but also trying to figure out what it would take to put together > a FOSS solution (like, Ekiga). Can anyone comment on brands, software, > hardware, etc.? Thanks, kari m. -- *~*~*~*~*~* got root?
_______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For > more info see From christopher.voltz at northwoodscatholic.org Mon Apr 23 03:20:31 2007 From: christopher.voltz at northwoodscatholic.org (Christopher Voltz) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:20:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Open Source library Software Message-ID: <462C25FF.8070903@northwoodscatholic.org> Our school has been using OpenBiblio for over two years and it has worked great for us. They completely redid their reporting system which resulted in a loss of some of the reports they used to have but the new reporting system makes generating new reports so easy it hasn't been an issue. I did look at Koha but decided OpenBiblio was better suited to our needs. Christopher ------------------------------------------------------------------------ // * /From/: Bryant Patten * /To/: k12osn redhat com * /Subject/: [K12OSN] Re: Open Source library Software * /Date/: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:41:14 -0400 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Apr 11, 2007, at 11:49 AM, k12osn-request redhat com wrote: > I know this question has been posed before, but I'm looking at it again. > > Any updated feelings of folks on the best options for library software. > > thanks > > Shane > Hey Shane - I have done a couple of installs of OpenBiblio (http://obiblio.sourceforge.net /) for small elementary school libraries that didn't have the $10K for the commercial option and felt that Koha was too much for them. I would be happy to answer any questions you have about the OpenBiblio install process. 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When i do a ' ps aux | grep makedev ' nothing is shown running. I m assuming this runs ' at kernel level'?..dduuhh not sure. Ive also done a few netstat commands to try and figure out what is spawning the makedev processes. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Don't have a clue here. K12ltsp v 4.4.1 Thanks, Barry Cisna From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Apr 23 04:57:57 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:57:57 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] NorthTec MicroClient Jr In-Reply-To: References: <53553.216.24.126.67.1173442674.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <20070309133118.M10929@winonacotter.org> <45F191F7.6090503@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1177304277.27842.337.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 01:04 -0600, Kemp, Levi wrote: > Has anyone used HP's t5125 before? Or any of their thin clients for that matter? They've got a buy 3 get one free offer right now putting that model at about $150 which seemed like an ok deal. I know my boss enjoys the HP network management software on the Proliants he's been getting. Anyone use the Altiris Deployment Solution before? I'm still leaning towards the eBox 2300 or the MicroClient Jr, whichever you prefer it. I and my team installed 2200 of the HP T5125's. They work just fine as far as the software running them "out of the box" (K12LTSP v. 5.0.0). HOWEVER: 1. They have been discontinued 2. The external power brick is expensive to replace 3. The "stand" is very flimsy 4. They have no USB on the front 5. They are not parallel sides so they won't lay flat 6. They are quite warm and can't be stacked if flat. > > Levi > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of "Terrell Prud? Jr." > Sent: Fri 3/9/2007 10:57 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NorthTec MicroClient Jr > > > > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! > > > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 06:17:54 -0600 (CST), Barry Cisna wrote > > > Hello All, > > I've used the MicroClient Jr as my personal computer for about 5 months > now. No complaints at all, Unbox it, go into bios, enable PXE boot, > if you so desire setup its own ws00x in lts.conf and use the > specified video driver( it works fine with the vesa driver too),, > you'll have to compile the sound module on K12LTSP for audio to work, > ,and it works. its that simple I can have 10 web browsers open with > no probs. Java Apps dont drain it either.As was mentioned here full > screen Tuxtype/Tuxmath does NOT work but windowed works fine. Nice > thing is 0 noise!!! and almost 0 heat .Mounted on back of an 19" LCD > monitor. I cant seem to see any to nasay about it honestly. $120 > plus shipping from Bangkok . There is an US reseller now,,I think? > > > Very cool. For the price and the speeds I think I'll trade not being able > to do full screen for some apps. I am looking at buying around 100 machines > for 4 of our labs very soon and this looks very promising. > > Thanks, > Jim > > > > > We use a lot of LCD monitors in my district, very few (if any) of which support TuxType, TuxMath, or ChildsPlay in full-screen mode. Here is my solution: > > 1.) Rename /usr/bin/tuxtype2 (the executable) to, say, "/usr/bin/tuxtype2-bin". > 2.) Write a very small shell script named /usr/bin/tuxtype2 that calls the renamed executable in window mode. > > Kinda like this: > > #!/bin/bash > /usr/bin/tuxtype2-bin --window > > And then, "chmod 755 /usr/bin/tuxtype2". 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Are you running the latest version of rkhunter and did you try the steps mentioned under "Problems running Rootkit Hunter?" on http:// rkhunter.sourceforge.net/ ? There are some issues regarding prelinking and SELinux that can get you false positives. > If I do a' killall makedev ' the proceses still are shown running > in top. > When i do a ' ps aux | grep makedev ' nothing is shown running. I m > assuming this runs ' at kernel level'?..dduuhh not sure. Note that the binary is called MAKEDEV and not makedev. By default grep is case-sensitive. You could use grep's -i switch (for case- insensitive) or look for MAKEDEV instead. > Ive also done a few netstat commands to try and figure out what is > spawning the makedev > processes. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Don't have a clue here. > K12ltsp v 4.4.1 Like 'man MAKEDEV' says: "MAKEDEV is a program that will create the devices in /dev used to interface with drivers in the kernel." I don't think a lot of MAKEDEV processes should be running during normal operation, probably only during boot time? Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Apr 23 13:09:56 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:09:56 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Restart dansguardian on CNv3 Message-ID: <462CB024.6000502@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I think we have a problem with the dansguardian daemon running on our CNv3 box, it keeps running but eating HUGE amounts of CPU cycles and I'd like the restart it with rebooting the whole server Could you tell me if this is possible ? Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From thewhitmers at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 13:22:06 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:22:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Restart dansguardian on CNv3 In-Reply-To: <462CB024.6000502@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <462CB024.6000502@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 4/23/07, Brian Chivers wrote: > I think we have a problem with the dansguardian daemon running on our CNv3 box, it keeps running but > eating HUGE amounts of CPU cycles and I'd like the restart it with rebooting the whole server > > Could you tell me if this is possible ? > > Thanks > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > I think I once saw a patch related to that problem posted on CensorNet's web site. Have you checked there? David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: the.whitmers at gmail.com From Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com Mon Apr 23 13:31:00 2007 From: Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com (Theo Turner) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:31:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Restart dansguardian on CNv3 Message-ID: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34C9116@server.CumnorHouse.local> http://192.168.16.49/restart_service.cgi?id=dansguardian The above URL restarts the dansguardian service. Just change the ip for whatever name or IP you use. Theo Turner -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chivers Sent: 23 April 2007 14:10 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Restart dansguardian on CNv3 I think we have a problem with the dansguardian daemon running on our CNv3 box, it keeps running but eating HUGE amounts of CPU cycles and I'd like the restart it with rebooting the whole server Could you tell me if this is possible ? Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Apr 23 14:02:14 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:02:14 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Restart dansguardian on CNv3 In-Reply-To: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34C9116@server.CumnorHouse.local> References: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34C9116@server.CumnorHouse.local> Message-ID: <462CBC66.4030901@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Thanks, I'll give it a go but looking at what the box is doing I think I'm going to have to bite the bullet & restart the whole thing :-( Brian Theo Turner wrote: > http://192.168.16.49/restart_service.cgi?id=dansguardian > > The above URL restarts the dansguardian service. Just change the ip for > whatever name or IP you use. > > Theo Turner > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Brian Chivers > Sent: 23 April 2007 14:10 > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Restart dansguardian on CNv3 > > I think we have a problem with the dansguardian daemon running on our > CNv3 box, it keeps running but > eating HUGE amounts of CPU cycles and I'd like the restart it with > rebooting the whole server > > Could you tell me if this is possible ? > > Thanks > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From thewhitmers at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 14:37:55 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:37:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: need help configuring web server on Ubuntu Server to allow file uploads Message-ID: Our school has a small public web server (Ubuntu Server 7.04 with its LAMP setup), separate from our main web site, just to play around with learning Apache and related things. I want to configure this web server to allow one of our teachers to easily manage files in one of the web server's folders (e.g. /var/www/classprojects ). By "easy", I mean being able to open up a graphical SSH connection (whether with WinSCP in Windows or "Connect to SSH server" in Gnome) and just drag-and-drop files/folders to copy them to the designated web server folder, and have all the file permissions automatically work so that the general web browsing public would not have any problems viewing whatever this teacher uploads. I have already done a lot of searching, both with Google and in the Ubuntu forums, and feel like I'm getting the runaround, in that the advice I have found so far typically sounds like "just install vsftp" or "just set the file permissions" and then "everything will just work". But it doesn't for me. At least, not so that the file permissions work automatically, i.e., telling the teacher that after uploading the files, their permissions would then need to be changed so the public can view them, would not be acceptable. I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious. But I do not know what. Does anyone have any ideas on what I can or should do to be able to implement my goal? Or maybe a better question might be... What would you all consider to be a "best practice" when configuring a public web server on which you want to allow specific users to be able to upload whatever files they want to the web server, but without requiring that they execute chown/chmod post-upload so the public can view those files? Even just pointing me to an Internet site that would answer my questions would help immensely. Thanks! David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Apr 23 14:45:40 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:45:40 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Future LTSP direction: Local Apps In-Reply-To: <1177060952.7422.8.camel@linux.laptop> References: <4219988b0704191021u535d17a4j6d01e196ffedaa86@mail.gmail.com> <1177060952.7422.8.camel@linux.laptop> Message-ID: <1177339540.27842.367.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> The direction that RedHat/Fedora is gearing up for is "Stateless Linux". http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/StatelessLinuxHOWTO Essentially it is like using a boot CD Linux system (sort-of). It is possible to have multiple different types of run-time environments based on need. Currently, each environment is constructed using tools like cobbler, koan, and puppet. The clients can still PXE boot or use an embedded boot system. They can also either have, or not have disk space for scratch files/tmp areas. It has great potential as it is a system for constructing ones own thin client environment. This will lead to an even broader developer base to do the back-end support for K12LTSP and derivatives. I _don't_ see most schools going "COOL! Now we can roll our own custom environment!" anytime soon. It's a beast of a process. however, in the not too distant future, the ability to add a new package to the user environment will be easy enough and it will not affect the operation of the server itself. The ability to separate server environment from client environment will be a HUGE improvement! -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Mon Apr 23 14:51:29 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:51:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: need help configuring web server on Ubuntu Server to allow file uploads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <462CC7F1.7070709@scheie.homedns.org> If you don't care about the specific URL people have to use to get to that teacher's web files, you could enable the UserDir part in apache. Even if you do care about the URL, i.e., you want to use a specific URL and not ~/public_html, just create a group for /var/www/html on the webserver, set the group sticky bit for /var/www/html so that all files placed there are owned by the group assigned to /var/www/html, and then apache should have no trouble reading the files. Another thing to look at would be writing a script for this teacher that runs sshfs to connect to the web server, and then calls, say, thunar to give GUI access to the mountpoint. To the teacher, it will appear that any file he puts under the mountpoint will end up on the webserver. Petre David Whitmer wrote: > Our school has a small public web server (Ubuntu Server 7.04 with its > LAMP setup), separate from our main web site, just to play around with > learning Apache and related things. > > I want to configure this web server to allow one of our teachers to > easily manage files in one of the web server's folders (e.g. > /var/www/classprojects ). By "easy", I mean being able to open up a > graphical SSH connection (whether with WinSCP in Windows or "Connect > to SSH server" in Gnome) and just drag-and-drop files/folders to copy > them to the designated web server folder, and have all the file > permissions automatically work so that the general web browsing public > would not have any problems viewing whatever this teacher uploads. > > I have already done a lot of searching, both with Google and in the > Ubuntu forums, and feel like I'm getting the runaround, in that the > advice I have found so far typically sounds like "just install vsftp" > or "just set the file permissions" and then "everything will just > work". But it doesn't for me. At least, not so that the file > permissions work automatically, i.e., telling the teacher that after > uploading the files, their permissions would then need to be changed > so the public can view them, would not be acceptable. > > I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious. But I do not know what. > > Does anyone have any ideas on what I can or should do to be able to > implement my goal? > > Or maybe a better question might be... What would you all consider to > be a "best practice" when configuring a public web server on which you > want to allow specific users to be able to upload whatever files they > want to the web server, but without requiring that they execute > chown/chmod post-upload so the public can view those files? > > Even just pointing me to an Internet site that would answer my > questions would help immensely. > > Thanks! > > David Whitmer > Director of Media & Technology > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 23 15:17:21 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:17:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Future LTSP direction: Local Apps In-Reply-To: <1177339540.27842.367.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <4219988b0704191021u535d17a4j6d01e196ffedaa86@mail.gmail.com> <1177060952.7422.8.camel@linux.laptop> <1177339540.27842.367.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <462CCE01.5070401@futuresource.com> James P. Kinney III wrote: > The direction that RedHat/Fedora is gearing up for is "Stateless Linux". > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/StatelessLinuxHOWTO > I _don't_ see most > schools going "COOL! Now we can roll our own custom environment!" > anytime soon. It's a beast of a process. I've always thought the right way to handle this would be a slight variation of openmosix where you could designate one or more dedicated servers that could run applications for anyone but in addition, your own applications would have the option of running on your local machine (only - not other clients)if it offers a reasonable amount of CPU and RAM capacity. However I don't know enough about openmosix to know if it actually has any concepts to associate users and their local machines. You probably don't want your jobs running on some other client that might be rebooted or unplugged at any time. Something like this could automatically balance out the differences between thin and fat clients without much custom tweaking. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From minnebo.jordy at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 16:21:50 2007 From: minnebo.jordy at gmail.com (Jordy Minnebo) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:21:50 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] second NIC to have Internet connection! Message-ID: <103abc3b0704230921x51824dbfv4cb7be8900767011@mail.gmail.com> Hey My thin clients are working properly! But I want Internet on my clients. My server (K12) doenst find my D-link card! :( which brand should work fine ? thx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Mon Apr 23 16:30:01 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:30:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] second NIC to have Internet connection! In-Reply-To: <103abc3b0704230921x51824dbfv4cb7be8900767011@mail.gmail.com> References: <103abc3b0704230921x51824dbfv4cb7be8900767011@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <462CDF09.1060000@scheie.homedns.org> Most if not all of the cheap Realtek rtl8139-based cards should work. Any 3Com or Intel card should work, too, though they'll cost more. Petre Jordy Minnebo wrote: > Hey > > My thin clients are working properly! > But I want Internet on my clients. > My server (K12) doenst find my D-link card! :( > > which brand should work fine ? > > thx > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 23 16:47:27 2007 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:47:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Openmosix & LTSP References: <20070423160023.E8AAD7320D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: >James P. Kinney III wrote: >> The direction that RedHat/Fedora is gearing up for is "Stateless Linux". >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/StatelessLinuxHOWTO >> I _don't_ see most >> schools going "COOL! Now we can roll our own custom environment!" >> anytime soon. It's a beast of a process. >I've always thought the right way to handle this would be a slight >variation of openmosix where you could designate one or more dedicated >servers that could run applications for anyone but in addition, your own >applications would have the option of running on your local machine >(only - not other clients)if it offers a reasonable amount of CPU and >RAM capacity. However I don't know enough about openmosix to know if >it actually has any concepts to associate users and their local >machines. You probably don't want your jobs running on some other client >that might be rebooted or unplugged at any time. Something like this >could automatically balance out the differences between thin and fat >clients without much custom tweaking. >-- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell at gmail.com Les, I've been having the same thoughts you so aptly described about using OpenMosix with LTSP. Like you, I think that the ability to selectively cluster appropriate clients would be a good thing. A first step might be as simple as selectively assigning an OpenMosix enabled boot kernel to certain client machines, with a default kernel for other clients that would not be OpenMosix enabled. Sadly, there doesn't appear to be much movement along the OpenMosix LTSP front these days, some of the info appears to be 4 or 5 years old. I'm going to try and forward these questions to the OpenMosix people and see if I can get a response. Here's some info from the OpenMosix FAQ: http://howto.x-tend.be/openMosixWiki/index.php/FAQ#.27Are_there_any_mailing_lists_for_openMosix.3F.27 ---------------------------------------- 'What kind of impact will Client A see if the LTSP server migrates a process that it is running for Client A to Client B, and Client B suddenly drops off the network?' In the LTSP+openMosix How-To I maintain( http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ltsp-omr4-1.html ), the LTSP clients do not migrate their local processes (basically Xwindows, which is all they really run). All processes originate from the server.: There is a basic difference between hardware failure and shutdown. In case a computer fails, then obviously everything goes down with it, too, but that is to be expected and not different on non-openMosix machines. In case client B shutdown down all foreign processes will be migrated away again and things keep running normally. " ---------------------------------------- So, it appears that the solution right now with OpenMosix to the problem of user initiated reboots is to super glue the power cords to the clients, and make sure the power button only triggers a soft reboot. This isn't going to work for most clients. We need some sort of process affinity so we can optionally migrate heavy apps such as OO to the thick clients that are using them. With this method we should be able to add a lot more clients to any single server, and if Johnny unplugs his power cord it only affects him. Thanks, Sean Harbour sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4289 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robark at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 17:06:34 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:06:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Openmosix & LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <20070423160023.E8AAD7320D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On 4/23/07, Sean Harbour wrote: > > > >James P. Kinney III wrote: > >> The direction that RedHat/Fedora is gearing up for is "Stateless Linux". > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/StatelessLinuxHOWTO > > >> I _don't_ see most > >> schools going "COOL! Now we can roll our own custom environment!" > >> anytime soon. It's a beast of a process. > > >I've always thought the right way to handle this would be a slight > >variation of openmosix where you could designate one or more dedicated > >servers that could run applications for anyone but in addition, your own > >applications would have the option of running on your local machine > >(only - not other clients)if it offers a reasonable amount of CPU and > >RAM capacity. However I don't know enough about openmosix to know if > >it actually has any concepts to associate users and their local > >machines. You probably don't want your jobs running on some other client > >that might be rebooted or unplugged at any time. Something like this > >could automatically balance out the differences between thin and fat > >clients without much custom tweaking. > > >-- > > Les Mikesell > > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > Les, I've been having the same thoughts you so aptly described about using OpenMosix with LTSP. Like you, I think that the ability to selectively cluster appropriate clients would be a good thing. A first step might be as simple as selectively assigning an OpenMosix enabled boot kernel to certain client machines, with a default kernel for other clients that would not be OpenMosix enabled. > > Sadly, there doesn't appear to be much movement along the OpenMosix LTSP front these days, some of the info appears to be 4 or 5 years old. I'm going to try and forward these questions to the OpenMosix people and see if I can get a response. > > Here's some info from the OpenMosix FAQ: > http://howto.x-tend.be/openMosixWiki/index.php/FAQ#.27Are_there_any_mailing_lists_for_openMosix.3F.27 > ---------------------------------------- > > 'What kind of impact will Client A see if the LTSP server migrates a process that it is running for Client A to Client B, and Client B suddenly drops off the network?' > > In the LTSP+openMosix How-To I maintain( http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ltsp-omr4-1.html ), the LTSP clients do not migrate their local processes (basically Xwindows, which is all they really run). All processes originate from the server.: > > There is a basic difference between hardware failure and shutdown. In case a computer fails, then obviously everything goes down with it, too, but that is to be expected and not different on non-openMosix machines. In case client B shutdown down all foreign processes will be migrated away again and things keep running normally. " > > ---------------------------------------- > > So, it appears that the solution right now with OpenMosix to the problem of user initiated reboots is to super glue the power cords to the clients, and make sure the power button only triggers a soft reboot. This isn't going to work for most clients. We need some sort of process affinity so we can optionally migrate heavy apps such as OO to the thick clients that are using them. With this method we should be able to add a lot more clients to any single server, and if Johnny unplugs his power cord it only affects him. Mille Xterm is not the same idea but it's similar in the sense that you have a cluster of app servers. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9097 > > Thanks, > > Sean Harbour > sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 23 17:52:41 2007 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:52:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Openmosix & LTSP References: <20070423160023.E8AAD7320D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: >I've always thought the right way to handle this would be a slight >variation of openmosix where you could designate one or more dedicated >servers that could run applications for anyone but in addition, your own >applications would have the option of running on your local machine >(only - not other clients)if it offers a reasonable amount of CPU and >RAM capacity. However I don't know enough about openmosix to know if >it actually has any concepts to associate users and their local >machines. You probably don't want your jobs running on some other client >that might be rebooted or unplugged at any time. Something like this >could automatically balance out the differences between thin and fat >clients without much custom tweaking. >-- > Les Mikesell There's another scenario that would effectively give most of the advantages of Openmosix, with out the random shutoff penalties. Configure the thicker thin clients as app servers, and limit connections to them from localhost only. They could serve some of the bigger apps such as OO and Gimp via an NFS share from the main server. The icon on the desktop would link to the local app server running on the local workstation. No widespread problems if Johnny shuts off his client. App startup would be more dependant on network speed and local cpu/ram, but it would help share the load over the thick clients, leaving more capacity for thin and thick clients on a single server. This would probably really help the slowdown issue of 40 thin clients starting OO at the same time. I've never seen this done with thin clients, but it should be doable. The really interesting part is that you could use easily use the same technique to make dedicated network bootable "slave" application servers to boost the capacity of your existing K12LTSP server. If anybody is working on this, drop me a line, I may be able to help. Sean Harbour sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3493 bytes Desc: not available URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 23 18:47:34 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:47:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Openmosix & LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <20070423160023.E8AAD7320D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <462CFF46.5010305@futuresource.com> Sean Harbour wrote: > There's another scenario that would effectively give most of the advantages of Openmosix, with > out the random shutoff penalties. > > Configure the thicker thin clients as app servers, and limit connections to them from localhost only. > They could serve some of the bigger apps such as OO and Gimp via an NFS share from the main server. > The icon on the desktop would link to the local app server running on the local workstation. What would be even nicer would be if the application launcher could decide at runtime where to run the application based on a loadbalancer app running on the client. This app could monitor resources advertised on other servers and compare them to its own free resources. It could even be made clever enough to prefer to run many copies of the same app on the same server to maximize shared memory benefits and to run multimedia apps locally to have direct video/audio access. You'd get most of the advantages of mosix without the complications needed to be able to migrate processes. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Apr 23 18:56:09 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:56:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Openmosix & LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <20070423160023.E8AAD7320D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1177354569.27842.387.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 09:47 -0700, Sean Harbour wrote: > > >James P. Kinney III wrote: > >> The direction that RedHat/Fedora is gearing up for is "Stateless Linux". > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/StatelessLinuxHOWTO > > >> I _don't_ see most > >> schools going "COOL! Now we can roll our own custom environment!" > >> anytime soon. It's a beast of a process. > > >I've always thought the right way to handle this would be a slight > >variation of openmosix where you could designate one or more dedicated > >servers that could run applications for anyone but in addition, your own > >applications would have the option of running on your local machine > >(only - not other clients)if it offers a reasonable amount of CPU and > >RAM capacity. However I don't know enough about openmosix to know if > >it actually has any concepts to associate users and their local > >machines. You probably don't want your jobs running on some other client > >that might be rebooted or unplugged at any time. Something like this > >could automatically balance out the differences between thin and fat > >clients without much custom tweaking. > > >-- > > Les Mikesell > > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > Les, I've been having the same thoughts you so aptly described about using OpenMosix with LTSP. Like you, I think that the ability to selectively cluster appropriate clients would be a good thing. A first step might be as simple as selectively assigning an OpenMosix enabled boot kernel to certain client machines, with a default kernel for other clients that would not be OpenMosix enabled. > > Sadly, there doesn't appear to be much movement along the OpenMosix LTSP front these days, some of the info appears to be 4 or 5 years old. I'm going to try and forward these questions to the OpenMosix people and see if I can get a response. > > Here's some info from the OpenMosix FAQ: > http://howto.x-tend.be/openMosixWiki/index.php/FAQ#.27Are_there_any_mailing_lists_for_openMosix.3F.27 > ---------------------------------------- > > 'What kind of impact will Client A see if the LTSP server migrates a process that it is running for Client A to Client B, and Client B suddenly drops off the network?' > > In the LTSP+openMosix How-To I maintain( http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ltsp-omr4-1.html ), the LTSP clients do not migrate their local processes (basically Xwindows, which is all they really run). All processes originate from the server.: > > There is a basic difference between hardware failure and shutdown. In case a computer fails, then obviously everything goes down with it, too, but that is to be expected and not different on non-openMosix machines. In case client B shutdown down all foreign processes will be migrated away again and things keep running normally. " > > ---------------------------------------- > > So, it appears that the solution right now with OpenMosix to the problem of user initiated reboots is to super glue the power cords to the clients, and make sure the power button only triggers a soft reboot. This isn't going to work for most clients. We need some sort of process affinity so we can optionally migrate heavy apps such as OO to the thick clients that are using them. With this method we should be able to add a lot more clients to any single server, and if Johnny unplugs his power cord it only affects him. I have been toying with having the LTSP servers PXE boot from a central server, load everything into a RAM disk, do some per-machine configs based on MAC's, then act a single-system image cluster. The PIA aspect is all apps (at least the heavy weight ones) must be source-code tweaked to have either processor affinity (sadly a compile time option - needs fixing to be a run-time option) or significantly enhanced multi-threading. Some apps like OO do fairly well at the threading, but the process gets migrated all over the available CPU's and that just wastes resources. Other apps like Firefox have rather poor threading and tend to explode when thread cross (Think "Ghostbusters" and "Never cross the streams" :) OpenMosix _does_ have a development section with a 2.6 kernel in it (2.6.18 - I think). But virtualization is the current developer toy so not much is being done in the clustering arena. Much work to do to make any of it really large-scale ready. Dropping this stuff on a 8 socket, dual core Opteron system only means the apps have more CPU's to jump to :( -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rowens at ptd.net Mon Apr 23 21:31:20 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:31:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: need help configuring web server on Ubuntu Server to allow file uploads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070423213120.GA5908@clubber.owens.net> In order for apache to be able to read (and therefore server) files, they much be either readable by the apache user or readable by by everybody. You can't really get around that. apache's DocumentRoot is normally set to /var/www. That means that any files in /var/www will be visible to the apache system (but only readable if the permissions are set appropriately). apache can also follow symlinks (if properly configured), so it can serve files that are not in /var/www -- for instance, /mnt/public_files. However, there needs to be a symlink: /var/www/somename which points to /mnt/public_files. If you let your faculty and students drop files into /mnt/public_files, it's almost certain that they'll be accessible through apache. The only thing that would prevent it is if there were no read permissions on the file. But most Linux systems default to creating files with 755 permissions (rwxr-xr-x), so you should be ok. Still, there will be occasions where the permissions aren't right. I've experience a default of 700 permissions (rwx------) when moving files from my digital camera to my computer. But a cron job could periodically fix all the permissions with this command: chmod -R o+rx /mnt/public_files/* or something similar. -Rob On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 10:37:55AM -0400, David Whitmer wrote: > Our school has a small public web server (Ubuntu Server 7.04 with its > LAMP setup), separate from our main web site, just to play around with > learning Apache and related things. > > I want to configure this web server to allow one of our teachers to > easily manage files in one of the web server's folders (e.g. > /var/www/classprojects ). By "easy", I mean being able to open up a > graphical SSH connection (whether with WinSCP in Windows or "Connect > to SSH server" in Gnome) and just drag-and-drop files/folders to copy > them to the designated web server folder, and have all the file > permissions automatically work so that the general web browsing public > would not have any problems viewing whatever this teacher uploads. > > I have already done a lot of searching, both with Google and in the > Ubuntu forums, and feel like I'm getting the runaround, in that the > advice I have found so far typically sounds like "just install vsftp" > or "just set the file permissions" and then "everything will just > work". But it doesn't for me. At least, not so that the file > permissions work automatically, i.e., telling the teacher that after > uploading the files, their permissions would then need to be changed > so the public can view them, would not be acceptable. > > I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious. But I do not know what. > > Does anyone have any ideas on what I can or should do to be able to > implement my goal? > > Or maybe a better question might be... What would you all consider to > be a "best practice" when configuring a public web server on which you > want to allow specific users to be able to upload whatever files they > want to the web server, but without requiring that they execute > chown/chmod post-upload so the public can view those files? > > Even just pointing me to an Internet site that would answer my > questions would help immensely. > > Thanks! > > David Whitmer > Director of Media & Technology > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From daengbo at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 00:03:25 2007 From: daengbo at gmail.com (Daniel Bodanske) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:03:25 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: need help configuring web server on Ubuntu Server to allow file uploads In-Reply-To: <20070423213120.GA5908@clubber.owens.net> References: <20070423213120.GA5908@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: Look into setting up webdav on the server. If the teacher logs in to the server under webdav, files will automatically have the same owner as Apache. Setting it up is not too difficult. Another option is to export the share under Samba with the teacher as the only acceptable user, then force the webserver user/group for all writes. Dan On 4/24/07, Rob Owens wrote: > In order for apache to be able to read (and therefore server) files, > they much be either readable by the apache user or readable by by > everybody. You can't really get around that. > > apache's DocumentRoot is normally set to /var/www. That means that any > files in /var/www will be visible to the apache system (but only > readable if the permissions are set appropriately). apache can also > follow symlinks (if properly configured), so it can serve files that are > not in /var/www -- for instance, /mnt/public_files. However, there needs > to be a symlink: /var/www/somename which points to /mnt/public_files. > > If you let your faculty and students drop files into /mnt/public_files, > it's almost certain that they'll be accessible through apache. The only > thing that would prevent it is if there were no read permissions on the > file. But most Linux systems default to creating files with 755 > permissions (rwxr-xr-x), so you should be ok. Still, there will be > occasions where the permissions aren't right. I've experience a default > of 700 permissions (rwx------) when moving files from my digital camera > to my computer. But a cron job could periodically fix all the > permissions with this command: > > chmod -R o+rx /mnt/public_files/* > > or something similar. > > -Rob > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 10:37:55AM -0400, David Whitmer wrote: > > Our school has a small public web server (Ubuntu Server 7.04 with its > > LAMP setup), separate from our main web site, just to play around with > > learning Apache and related things. > > > > I want to configure this web server to allow one of our teachers to > > easily manage files in one of the web server's folders (e.g. > > /var/www/classprojects ). By "easy", I mean being able to open up a > > graphical SSH connection (whether with WinSCP in Windows or "Connect > > to SSH server" in Gnome) and just drag-and-drop files/folders to copy > > them to the designated web server folder, and have all the file > > permissions automatically work so that the general web browsing public > > would not have any problems viewing whatever this teacher uploads. > > > > I have already done a lot of searching, both with Google and in the > > Ubuntu forums, and feel like I'm getting the runaround, in that the > > advice I have found so far typically sounds like "just install vsftp" > > or "just set the file permissions" and then "everything will just > > work". But it doesn't for me. At least, not so that the file > > permissions work automatically, i.e., telling the teacher that after > > uploading the files, their permissions would then need to be changed > > so the public can view them, would not be acceptable. > > > > I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious. But I do not know what. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas on what I can or should do to be able to > > implement my goal? > > > > Or maybe a better question might be... What would you all consider to > > be a "best practice" when configuring a public web server on which you > > want to allow specific users to be able to upload whatever files they > > want to the web server, but without requiring that they execute > > chown/chmod post-upload so the public can view those files? > > > > Even just pointing me to an Internet site that would answer my > > questions would help immensely. > > > > Thanks! > > > > David Whitmer > > Director of Media & Technology > > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Apr 24 12:53:27 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:53:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, I got busy again. Nope, no USB support. I can boot from CD though. It is ok, I got lucky last Friday and Yesterday. We had a meeting at my little office and I had just got the parts in for my personal PC which I had already loaded K12LTSP on before they got here. Got to show them the speed of the clients, which I had one with 256MB, and the other with 64MB to show there was no difference. Showed them the Teacher app and how it was comparable to our current Vision software. We also had a call with Ericom about using our older software and came up with the solution to just use TS Client and Rdesktop. We were going to be paying for Terminal Licenses with Ericom or Citrix or any other "solution". So basically I just have to come up with the specs/cost of 2 new servers, one for the open lab and one for the library. After all the work I put into fixing that other one up, we are going to use it as a file server for Windows Updates ;-) . Hopefully we won't need that too much longer. Thanks for the help on trying to get that Compaq working everyone. Levi ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steven Santos Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:34 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server You can boot from a CD. Does the server have a USB port? Can you boot from a connected USB flash drive? ________________________________ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Kemp, Levi Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:30 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Well I'm on round three. I'm going with just the array this time, the HD isn't bootable in this server ;-). It's hard to get it to boot a CD sometimes. Anyways, I'm setting up the partitions manually again, if this doesn't work I may try an earlier version. I've read people having no problems with fedora core 4. Is there a previous version of K12LTSP using FC5 or FC4? I'm not ready to give up quite yet! Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of EJBoshinski Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:26 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server From: EJBoshinski To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:58:28 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Levi, The only other thing that I should have mentioned is to make sure that you make the /dev/hdb1 partition as bootable ;-) Otherwise, your desciption sounds - as they say - sane... and it sounds like it should go for you! Good luck !! -ejb ----- Original Message ---- From: "Kemp, Levi" To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:22:47 PM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Yes there is a custom settings button. I?ve got it reading the entire HD as /boot ext 3 and I?ve split the array into / ext3 and a swap. Does that sound correct? There is only one section now, Hard Drives, and there are no LVM. I?m tentative to continue without input because of the amount of time it takes me to get to this point again. Besides I have other work I can do while I wait for a reply. Thanks again. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of EJBoshinski Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:55 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Levi, I don't think that this is exactly what you want. If you look closely, you will see that LVM is spanning both your array & the IDE drive ( /dev/hdb is your IDE hardrive and it is showing 2 partitions. You would want it to only have a single partition, /dev/hdb1. Have another go at it and see if you can force the boot partition to consume the entire drive. I don't have the interface in front of me right now, but I "think" you can do a custom partition setup... HTH, -ejb ________________________________ Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mistrz.linux at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 13:19:47 2007 From: mistrz.linux at yahoo.com (EJBoshinski) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Message-ID: <332427.88893.qm@web58607.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Congrats Levi !!! Happy to hear that all your efforts panned out and in the end your going to be moving to NEW equipment :-) I haven't worked on Compaq servers for quite awhile, but I do remember that they were very quirky about how they had to configured... not to mention old Compaq DOS... {8-P Again, congratulations on your new toys !!! -ejb ----- Original Message ---- From: "Kemp, Levi" To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:53:27 AM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Sorry, I got busy again. Nope, no USB support. I can boot from CD though. It is ok, I got lucky last Friday and Yesterday. We had a meeting at my little office and I had just got the parts in for my personal PC which I had already loaded K12LTSP on before they got here. Got to show them the speed of the clients, which I had one with 256MB, and the other with 64MB to show there was no difference. Showed them the Teacher app and how it was comparable to our current Vision software. We also had a call with Ericom about using our older software and came up with the solution to just use TS Client and Rdesktop. We were going to be paying for Terminal Licenses with Ericom or Citrix or any other ?solution?. So basically I just have to come up with the specs/cost of 2 new servers, one for the open lab and one for the library. After all the work I put into fixing that other one up, we are going to use it as a file server for Windows Updates ;-) . Hopefully we won?t need that too much longer. Thanks for the help on trying to get that Compaq working everyone. Levi From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steven Santos Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:34 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server You can boot from a CD. Does the server have a USB port? Can you boot from a connected USB flash drive? Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton , MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Kemp, Levi Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:30 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Well I?m on round three. I?m going with just the array this time, the HD isn?t bootable in this server ;-). It?s hard to get it to boot a CD sometimes. Anyways, I?m setting up the partitions manually again, if this doesn?t work I may try an earlier version. I?ve read people having no problems with fedora core 4. Is there a previous version of K12LTSP using FC5 or FC4? I?m not ready to give up quite yet! Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of EJBoshinski Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:26 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server From: EJBoshinski To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:58:28 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Levi, The only other thing that I should have mentioned is to make sure that you make the /dev/hdb1 partition as bootable ;-) Otherwise, your desciption sounds - as they say - sane... and it sounds like it should go for you! Good luck !! -ejb ----- Original Message ---- From: "Kemp, Levi" To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:22:47 PM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Yes there is a custom settings button. I?ve got it reading the entire HD as /boot ext 3 and I?ve split the array into / ext3 and a swap. Does that sound correct? There is only one section now, Hard Drives, and there are no LVM. I?m tentative to continue without input because of the amount of time it takes me to get to this point again. Besides I have other work I can do while I wait for a reply. Thanks again. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of EJBoshinski Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:55 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server Levi, I don't think that this is exactly what you want. If you look closely, you will see that LVM is spanning both your array & the IDE drive ( /dev/hdb is your IDE hardrive and it is showing 2 partitions. You would want it to only have a single partition, /dev/hdb1. Have another go at it and see if you can force the boot partition to consume the entire drive. I don't have the interface in front of me right now, but I "think" you can do a custom partition setup... HTH, -ejb Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thewhitmers at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 13:25:37 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:25:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: need help configuring web server on Ubuntu Server to allow file uploads In-Reply-To: References: <20070423213120.GA5908@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the advice everyone. I ended up creating a symlink from a folder I created in /var/www to the teacher's home folder on that server, then created a cron job to periodically fix the permissions in that folder so Apache could read its contents okay. This process worked really well in my testing. BTW the cron job was definitely needed as files created in Gnome (K12LTSP V5) seem to default to 600 permission instead of 755, at least when I right-clicked on the Desktop and chose "create a new file" from the context menu. Perhaps that's a Gnome thing? For future reference, I'll definitely look into the webdav idea. That might be a better long-term solution, especially when planning for the next school year. Regarding the Samba suggestion... the web server I'm working with here is accessible from the public Internet, though it is behind a separate firewall. If I were to setup Samba on it, even if it were configured to only be accessible from the internal LAN, might I then be exposing the server to security issues from the Internet? Anyway, thanks again everyone! David Whitmer On 4/23/07, Daniel Bodanske wrote: > Look into setting up webdav on the server. If the teacher logs in to > the server under webdav, files will automatically have the same owner > as Apache. Setting it up is not too difficult. > > Another option is to export the share under Samba with the teacher as > the only acceptable user, then force the webserver user/group for all > writes. > > Dan > > On 4/24/07, Rob Owens wrote: > > In order for apache to be able to read (and therefore server) files, > > they much be either readable by the apache user or readable by by > > everybody. You can't really get around that. > > > > apache's DocumentRoot is normally set to /var/www. That means that any > > files in /var/www will be visible to the apache system (but only > > readable if the permissions are set appropriately). apache can also > > follow symlinks (if properly configured), so it can serve files that are > > not in /var/www -- for instance, /mnt/public_files. However, there needs > > to be a symlink: /var/www/somename which points to /mnt/public_files. > > > > If you let your faculty and students drop files into /mnt/public_files, > > it's almost certain that they'll be accessible through apache. The only > > thing that would prevent it is if there were no read permissions on the > > file. But most Linux systems default to creating files with 755 > > permissions (rwxr-xr-x), so you should be ok. Still, there will be > > occasions where the permissions aren't right. I've experience a default > > of 700 permissions (rwx------) when moving files from my digital camera > > to my computer. But a cron job could periodically fix all the > > permissions with this command: > > > > chmod -R o+rx /mnt/public_files/* > > > > or something similar. > > > > -Rob > > > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 10:37:55AM -0400, David Whitmer wrote: > > > Our school has a small public web server (Ubuntu Server 7.04 with its > > > LAMP setup), separate from our main web site, just to play around with > > > learning Apache and related things. > > > > > > I want to configure this web server to allow one of our teachers to > > > easily manage files in one of the web server's folders (e.g. > > > /var/www/classprojects ). By "easy", I mean being able to open up a > > > graphical SSH connection (whether with WinSCP in Windows or "Connect > > > to SSH server" in Gnome) and just drag-and-drop files/folders to copy > > > them to the designated web server folder, and have all the file > > > permissions automatically work so that the general web browsing public > > > would not have any problems viewing whatever this teacher uploads. > > > > > > I have already done a lot of searching, both with Google and in the > > > Ubuntu forums, and feel like I'm getting the runaround, in that the > > > advice I have found so far typically sounds like "just install vsftp" > > > or "just set the file permissions" and then "everything will just > > > work". But it doesn't for me. At least, not so that the file > > > permissions work automatically, i.e., telling the teacher that after > > > uploading the files, their permissions would then need to be changed > > > so the public can view them, would not be acceptable. > > > > > > I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious. But I do not know what. > > > > > > Does anyone have any ideas on what I can or should do to be able to > > > implement my goal? > > > > > > Or maybe a better question might be... What would you all consider to > > > be a "best practice" when configuring a public web server on which you > > > want to allow specific users to be able to upload whatever files they > > > want to the web server, but without requiring that they execute > > > chown/chmod post-upload so the public can view those files? > > > > > > Even just pointing me to an Internet site that would answer my > > > questions would help immensely. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > David Whitmer > > > Director of Media & Technology > > > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > > > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > > > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Apr 24 13:44:48 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:44:48 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: need help configuring web server on Ubuntu Server to allow file uploads In-Reply-To: References: <20070423213120.GA5908@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <1177422288.27842.419.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 09:25 -0400, David Whitmer wrote: > Regarding the Samba suggestion... the web server I'm working with here > is accessible from the public Internet, though it is behind a separate > firewall. If I were to setup Samba on it, even if it were configured > to only be accessible from the internal LAN, might I then be exposing > the server to security issues from the Internet? > > Anyway, thanks again everyone! > > David Whitmer You can set Samba to allow access only from IP addresses than are within your LAN. The web server is set to allow access from anything. There is (or had better be! :) a firewall between your LAN and the web server. That firewall is allowing web traffic to be transmitted to the web server. It should be configured to NOT allow traffic to come into the LAN destined for ANY Windows ports. So the short answer is, yes - you can have safely have the Samba server in your LAN on the same machine as the web server. -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From baci at harborcityschool.org Tue Apr 24 14:46:07 2007 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:46:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Blender missing from yum extender In-Reply-To: <1177422288.27842.419.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <20070423213120.GA5908@clubber.owens.net> <1177422288.27842.419.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1177425967.3410.5.camel@BACI-W> So I was finally getting SDL libs and includes to be recognized from codeblocks for my advanced programming class and in the process I had to remove blender (for deps). On one of my servers, I installed via yum just fine. But on the other, I selected it from the install list and began the process and a student shut off the machine I was using for the root session by accident in the middle of the install...now Yum cant find blender...not on the install list, the update list, the group list or the remove list. I've downloaded the latest version as a tar but now dont know what to do with it...anyone have any idea why it's missing or hidden from yum extender? .. baci From baci at harborcityschool.org Tue Apr 24 14:52:28 2007 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:52:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Blender missing from yum extender In-Reply-To: <1177425967.3410.5.camel@BACI-W> References: <20070423213120.GA5908@clubber.owens.net> <1177422288.27842.419.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <1177425967.3410.5.camel@BACI-W> Message-ID: <1177426348.3410.8.camel@BACI-W> Solved my own issue .. somehow the k12LTSP repo had become disabled On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 09:46 -0500, Chris Bacigalupo wrote: > So I was finally getting SDL libs and includes to be recognized from > codeblocks for my advanced programming class and in the process I had to > remove blender (for deps). On one of my servers, I installed via yum > just fine. But on the other, I selected it from the install list and > began the process and a student shut off the machine I was using for the > root session by accident in the middle of the install...now Yum cant > find blender...not on the install list, the update list, the group list > or the remove list. I've downloaded the latest version as a tar but now > dont know what to do with it...anyone have any idea why it's missing or > hidden from yum extender? > > .. baci > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From xmechanic at gilanet.com Tue Apr 24 18:30:26 2007 From: xmechanic at gilanet.com (xmechanic) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:30:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 38, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: <20070424132009.66394730CA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070424132009.66394730CA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <462E4CC2.7090707@gilanet.com> Greetings Levi, I wish I had seen this earlier before you went through all the headaches on that Proliant boat-anchor. We have a similar Proliant 3000 at our school that was 'donated' by some well-meaning service facility to replace our aging Gateway server. After 2 weeks of config issues, we finally managed to get MS Server 2003 to run on it (only in 256 colors though). It still won't recognize a simple CD-burner, and IDE 'extra storage' drives are out of the question. Definitely not a user-friendly machine, especially when it comes to changing out drives in their infamous integrated drive cage. Oh well, maybe in the near future it will suffice as good support for a welding job for the kids in metal shop, LOL! Glad you ended up with some equipment you can actually use. :-) Dave Land Land Computer Service > Subject: > Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > From: > EJBoshinski > Date: > Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:19:47 -0700 (PDT) > To: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > To: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Congrats Levi !!! > > Happy to hear that all your efforts panned out and in the end your > going to be moving to NEW equipment :-) > > I haven't worked on Compaq servers for quite awhile, but I do remember > that they were very quirky about how they had to configured... not to > mention old Compaq DOS... {8-P > > Again, congratulations on your new toys !!! > > -ejb > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Kemp, Levi" > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:53:27 AM > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > > Sorry, I got busy again. Nope, no USB support. I can boot from CD > though. It is ok, I got lucky last Friday and Yesterday. We had a > meeting at my little office and I had just got the parts in for my > personal PC which I had already loaded K12LTSP on before they got > here. Got to show them the speed of the clients, which I had one with > 256MB, and the other with 64MB to show there was no difference. Showed > them the Teacher app and how it was comparable to our current Vision > software. We also had a call with Ericom about using our older > software and came up with the solution to just use TS Client and > Rdesktop. We were going to be paying for Terminal Licenses with Ericom > or Citrix or any other ?solution?. So basically I just have to come up > with the specs/cost of 2 new servers, one for the open lab and one for > the library. After all the work I put into fixing that other one up, > we are going to use it as a file server for Windows Updates ;-) . > Hopefully we won?t need that too much longer. Thanks for the help on > trying to get that Compaq working everyone. > > > > Levi > From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Apr 24 19:34:56 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:34:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 38, Issue 29 References: <20070424132009.66394730CA@hormel.redhat.com> <462E4CC2.7090707@gilanet.com> Message-ID: It's ok. My boss had this thing collecting dust in the server room so we hauled it over to my place for me to work on. It is going to likely become a Server 2003 Box too, running the Update Service. Have to use it for something now, after we figured out the Array, and made it into a 2x450Mhz with 1GB RAM it would be a shame for it to sit over here with my lunch on it any longer ;-) Have you tried putting a different video card in it? That helped a lot for me considering the onboard video is 1MB even a 4MB card helps, I put in an 8MB card and it was a nice resolution for the Fedora Installer. Good luck. Levi -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of xmechanic Sent: Tue 4/24/2007 1:30 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 38, Issue 29 Greetings Levi, I wish I had seen this earlier before you went through all the headaches on that Proliant boat-anchor. We have a similar Proliant 3000 at our school that was 'donated' by some well-meaning service facility to replace our aging Gateway server. After 2 weeks of config issues, we finally managed to get MS Server 2003 to run on it (only in 256 colors though). It still won't recognize a simple CD-burner, and IDE 'extra storage' drives are out of the question. Definitely not a user-friendly machine, especially when it comes to changing out drives in their infamous integrated drive cage. Oh well, maybe in the near future it will suffice as good support for a welding job for the kids in metal shop, LOL! Glad you ended up with some equipment you can actually use. :-) Dave Land Land Computer Service > Subject: > Re: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > From: > EJBoshinski > Date: > Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:19:47 -0700 (PDT) > To: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > To: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Congrats Levi !!! > > Happy to hear that all your efforts panned out and in the end your > going to be moving to NEW equipment :-) > > I haven't worked on Compaq servers for quite awhile, but I do remember > that they were very quirky about how they had to configured... not to > mention old Compaq DOS... {8-P > > Again, congratulations on your new toys !!! > > -ejb > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Kemp, Levi" > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:53:27 AM > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New installation on an old Server > > Sorry, I got busy again. Nope, no USB support. I can boot from CD > though. It is ok, I got lucky last Friday and Yesterday. We had a > meeting at my little office and I had just got the parts in for my > personal PC which I had already loaded K12LTSP on before they got > here. Got to show them the speed of the clients, which I had one with > 256MB, and the other with 64MB to show there was no difference. Showed > them the Teacher app and how it was comparable to our current Vision > software. We also had a call with Ericom about using our older > software and came up with the solution to just use TS Client and > Rdesktop. We were going to be paying for Terminal Licenses with Ericom > or Citrix or any other "solution". So basically I just have to come up > with the specs/cost of 2 new servers, one for the open lab and one for > the library. After all the work I put into fixing that other one up, > we are going to use it as a file server for Windows Updates ;-) . > Hopefully we won't need that too much longer. Thanks for the help on > trying to get that Compaq working everyone. > > > > Levi > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4877 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Apr 24 19:48:50 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:48:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripting for Linux - RDesktop straight to an app References: <20070424132009.66394730CA@hormel.redhat.com> <462E4CC2.7090707@gilanet.com> Message-ID: Here's is my current situation, we want to use rdesktop to a terminal server for a couple legacy apps. I've seen you can pass the user name and password with -u and -p command line or enter them in using the TSClient. In the TSClient you can also specify an app to open right away, how would you do this on the command line? And if I were to script this, which I'm familiar with only in windows right now, how might I go about using the current users username and password to fill the arguments? We are authenticating to the windows AD so the username and password for the terminal server would be the same. This way I can create links on the students desktops to the program and it would log them into the terminal server and open the app, creating the illusion they are running it local if it is done full screen. Any thoughts on this, it is my first time scripting in Linux. I created what I thought was a script, but it always asks me if I want to Run, View, or Run in Terminal, and I can't have it do that. It works like I want it, except I had to put in the username/password manually, and still open the app. Thanks for the help once again! Levi If at first you don't succeed try try again. And if that doesn't work hit it. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3295 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 20:15:26 2007 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:15:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripting for Linux - RDesktop straight to an app In-Reply-To: References: <20070424132009.66394730CA@hormel.redhat.com> <462E4CC2.7090707@gilanet.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80704241315j6162b5c8v701cf1d1fa9ca2aa@mail.gmail.com> On 4/24/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > Here's is my current situation, we want to use rdesktop to a terminal server for a couple legacy apps. I've seen you can pass the user name and password with -u and -p command line or enter them in using the TSClient. In the TSClient you can also specify an app to open right away, how would you do this on the command line? And if I were to script this, which I'm familiar with only in windows right now, how might I go about using the current users username and password to fill the arguments? We are authenticating to the windows AD so the username and password for the terminal server would be the same. This way I can create links on the students desktops to the program and it would log them into the terminal server and open the app, creating the illusion they are running it local if it is done full screen. Any thoughts on this, it is my first time scripting in Linux. I created what I thought was a script, but it always asks me if I want to Run, View, or Run in Terminal, and I can't have it do that. It works like I want it, except I had to put in the username/password manually, and still open the app. Thanks for the help once again! Do you have the script so that you can run it from the command line? After that, you may need to create a launcher to be able to just double click on an icon. Normally, if it's a shell script, you can access the current name with $USER. So, with a bash script, you would put: rdesktop -u $USER 'server-name' To start an app, for instance Firefox, you'd have to specify the full path to the executable on the command line: rdesktop -u $USER -s "c:\program files\mozilla firefox\firefox.exe" server-name Not sure if you can take the password they've entered and add it to the command line. I think the command line would want the plain text password. -- Roger ~~~~///~~~~ Low cost web-hosting: http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?91357 From rowens at ptd.net Tue Apr 24 22:47:57 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:47:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: need help configuring web server on Ubuntu Server to allow file uploads In-Reply-To: References: <20070423213120.GA5908@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <20070424224757.GA8282@clubber.owens.net> On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 09:03:25AM +0900, Daniel Bodanske wrote: > Look into setting up webdav on the server. If the teacher logs in to > the server under webdav, files will automatically have the same owner > as Apache. Setting it up is not too difficult. > > Another option is to export the share under Samba with the teacher as > the only acceptable user, then force the webserver user/group for all > writes. Samba has a "create mask" and "directory mask" parameter that you can use to ensure that all files and folders created in a samba share have the permissions that you want them to have. -Rob From rowens at ptd.net Tue Apr 24 22:51:28 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:51:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: need help configuring web server on Ubuntu Server to allow file uploads In-Reply-To: References: <20070423213120.GA5908@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <20070424225128.GB8282@clubber.owens.net> I think the bigger security concern is that if there was an exploitable bug in apache, then someone from the internet could gain access to your server and possibly everything else on your LAN. That's a big if, but it's possible. That's the reason some people put the web server on a completely different subnet--if someone hacks the web server, then they've only got the webserver and not your local file storage. -Rob On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 09:25:37AM -0400, David Whitmer wrote: > > Regarding the Samba suggestion... the web server I'm working with here > is accessible from the public Internet, though it is behind a separate > firewall. If I were to setup Samba on it, even if it were configured > to only be accessible from the internal LAN, might I then be exposing > the server to security issues from the Internet? > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 25 00:22:37 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:22:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 EL test #3 Message-ID: <462E9F4D.2080009@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I have a new test build of K12LTSP 5.0 EL, based on the final version of CentOS 5.0 + all released patches. Both 32bit & 64bit builds are available. Unlike the previous test build, this one has had a fair of testing. Odds are greater than 50% that it won't eat your hard drive ;-) -Eric 32bit (i.e. Pentium, Athlon, older Xeons) CDROM: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-32bit-iso/ . DVD: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-32bit-dvd/ . 64bit (i.e. Opteron, Athlon64, newer Xeons) CDROM: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-64bit-iso/ . DVD: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-64bit-dvd/ . From daengbo at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 04:19:19 2007 From: daengbo at gmail.com (Daniel Bodanske) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:19:19 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: need help configuring web server on Ubuntu Server to allow file uploads In-Reply-To: <20070424225128.GB8282@clubber.owens.net> References: <20070423213120.GA5908@clubber.owens.net> <20070424225128.GB8282@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: I still say that webdav is the easiest solution. Look here: Easy: http://bliki.rimuhosting.com/space/knowledgebase/linux/webserver/apache/webdav More complicated: http://www.howtoforge.com/webdav_with_ssl_and_two_factor_authentication Enable WebDAV on the Client http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/WebDAV-IIS.html http://itsinfo.tamu.edu/workshops/handouts/html_handouts/webdav_handout_windowXP.htm Then just connect with a webdav client and input the password. All permissions are automatically correct. Certainly more elegant that a cron job, though I've used those before, as well. Dan On 4/25/07, Rob Owens wrote: > I think the bigger security concern is that if there was an exploitable > bug in apache, then someone from the internet could gain access to your > server and possibly everything else on your LAN. That's a big if, but > it's possible. That's the reason some people put the web server on a > completely different subnet--if someone hacks the web server, then > they've only got the webserver and not your local file storage. > > -Rob > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 09:25:37AM -0400, David Whitmer wrote: > > > > Regarding the Samba suggestion... the web server I'm working with here > > is accessible from the public Internet, though it is behind a separate > > firewall. If I were to setup Samba on it, even if it were configured > > to only be accessible from the internal LAN, might I then be exposing > > the server to security issues from the Internet? > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 10:24:04 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:24:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: need help configuring web server on Ubuntu Server to allow file uploads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200704250624.04834.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> In a similar situation I use WebDAV with LDAP authentication. I use WebDAV *only* under https to encrypt passwords (while not affecting regular port 80 web access). I set up each user with a "public" and a "private" folder. The public folder is read-only for the immediate planet (a regular web site), the private folder is accessible only by the authenticated owner. I have been meaning to write this up as a "How To" but I haven't done it yet, so here are the pieces: excerpt from my "ssl.conf" file (in /etc/httpd/conf.d), a further webdav configuration file (dav-folders.conf in the same directory), and the ".htaccess" file that goes in each directory (there are scripts to create the directory and add the .htaccess file). Sorry for the length. ======================================================================== File: dav-folders.conf # # Public read-only access to WebDAV folders # # Users have read/write access to their own WebDAV # folders within the SSL virtual server (see ssl.conf). # # Private folders are inaccessible from ordinary http browsing. # They are only visible using https, and only by the owner with # authentication (via LDAP). # # The ".htaccess" files used with the SSL virtual server are ignored here. # To assure that this will always be so, we (re-)declare # "AllowOverride None" # # -jrl Jan 2006 # # # Only add the Public folders to the main web folder tree -jrl # Alias /Public /usr/local/WebDAV/Public Alias /Calendars /usr/local/WebDAV/Calendars Alias /FreeBusy /usr/local/WebDAV/FreeBusy Options MultiViews Indexes IncludesNoExec IndexOptions FancyIndexing FoldersFirst AllowOverride None Options MultiViews Indexes IncludesNoExec IndexOptions FancyIndexing FoldersFirst AllowOverride None Options MultiViews Indexes IncludesNoExec IndexOptions FancyIndexing FoldersFirst AllowOverride None Options MultiViews Indexes IncludesNoExec IndexOptions FancyIndexing FoldersFirst AllowOverride None Options MultiViews Indexes IncludesNoExec IndexOptions FancyIndexing FoldersFirst AllowOverride None Options MultiViews Indexes IncludesNoExec IndexOptions FancyIndexing FoldersFirst AllowOverride None ======================================================================== Excerpt from "ssl.conf": # # Private read/write access to WebDAV folders # # Users have read/write access to their own WebDAV # folders within the SSL virtual server. # # Private folders are inaccessible from ordinary http browsing. # They are only visible using https, and only by the owner with # authentication (via LDAP). # # The directives below perform the following: # - bring the WebDAV folders into web tree # - allow browsing (with indexing) # - includes individual user directory info (with auth) # # To provide a scalable authentication strategy, set: # "AllowOverride AuthConfig" to use the local ".htaccess" file to control # who can log in. This file belongs to "root" and is read-only for normal # users. This strategy allows the configuration to be a trivial addition to # folder creation without separate maintenence. # # -jrl Jan 2006 # # Graft folders into web folder tree -jrl # Alias /Private /usr/local/WebDAV/Private Alias /Public /usr/local/WebDAV/Public # Allow WebDAV access to user folders, but not parent folders -jrl # Options MultiViews Indexes IncludesNoExec IndexOptions FancyIndexing FoldersFirst Options MultiViews Indexes IncludesNoExec IndexOptions FancyIndexing FoldersFirst Options MultiViews Indexes IncludesNoExec IndexOptions FancyIndexing FoldersFirst Options MultiViews Indexes IncludesNoExec IndexOptions FancyIndexing FoldersFirst AllowOverride AuthConfig DAV On Order deny,allow Allow from all AuthName DAV AuthType Basic AuthLDAPEnabled on AuthLDAPURL ldap://minibox.uvi.edu/ou=People,dc=minibox,dc=uvi,dc=edu # Access to Public folder itself is controlled in main httpd.conf file -jrl # Options MultiViews Indexes IncludesNoExec IndexOptions FancyIndexing FoldersFirst AllowOverride AuthConfig DAV On Order deny,allow Allow from all AuthName DAV AuthType Basic AuthLDAPEnabled on AuthLDAPURL ldap://minibox.uvi.edu/ou=People,dc=minibox,dc=uvi,dc=edu Options MultiViews Indexes IncludesNoExec IndexOptions FancyIndexing FoldersFirst AllowOverride AuthConfig DAV On Order deny,allow Allow from all AuthName DAV AuthType Basic AuthLDAPEnabled on AuthLDAPURL ldap://minibox.uvi.edu/ou=People,dc=minibox,dc=uvi,dc=edu Options MultiViews Indexes IncludesNoExec IndexOptions FancyIndexing FoldersFirst AllowOverride AuthConfig DAV On Order deny,allow Allow from all AuthName DAV AuthType Basic AuthLDAPEnabled on AuthLDAPURL ldap://minibox.uvi.edu/ou=People,dc=minibox,dc=uvi,dc=edu ======================================================================= File: ".htaccess" require user jlucas ======================================================================= The ".htaccess" file is world readable, but owned by root so in the Apache context it is read-only. A simple bash script created the directory and makes the ".htaccess" and sets ownership and permissions with only the user ID as an argument. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 13:02:40 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:02:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried smbldap installer with Centos 5 ?? Message-ID: <462F5170.8090709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I'm about to start installing several new servers ready for the summer swap and wondered if anyone had tried the smbldap installer script with Centos 5 and if so would share any "gotchas" :-) Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From thewhitmers at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 13:12:29 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:12:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: need help configuring web server on Ubuntu Server to allow file uploads In-Reply-To: References: <20070423213120.GA5908@clubber.owens.net> <20070424225128.GB8282@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: I'm definitely interested in trying the webdav method. Perhaps I'll have time to try that this weekend. Though the current method of using a cron job for fixing permissions is working, it feels too much like a hack for my taste. Besides, I've wanted to try setting up webdav for a long while, and now I've got a good reason to. :) David Whitmer On 4/25/07, Daniel Bodanske wrote: > I still say that webdav is the easiest solution. > > Look here: > Easy: http://bliki.rimuhosting.com/space/knowledgebase/linux/webserver/apache/webdav > More complicated: > http://www.howtoforge.com/webdav_with_ssl_and_two_factor_authentication > > Enable WebDAV on the Client > http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/WebDAV-IIS.html > http://itsinfo.tamu.edu/workshops/handouts/html_handouts/webdav_handout_windowXP.htm > > Then just connect with a webdav client and input the password. All > permissions are automatically correct. Certainly more elegant that a > cron job, though I've used those before, as well. > > Dan > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Apr 25 13:27:45 2007 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:27:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Local Apps. Message-ID: <462F5751.4060901@honeygroveisd.net> Is there a local apps. primer somewhere? I've read about it here on the list, but really wouldn't even know how to get started on defining something as a local application. I did a cursory search on the wiki but didn't find anything. Has anyone documented the process? -- C-ya, Mark ____ Pocahontas appeared on the back of the $20 bill in 1875. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Apr 25 13:42:26 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:42:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 2007 NELS-FOSSED Sessions posted! Message-ID: 2007 FOSSED Sessions (Gould Academy) posted! Hi all! We've been working hard to get everything lined up for another fantastic conference at Gould Academy! The snow is gone, the water is receding, and the session descriptions have been posted! Go to the FOSSED site (link below) or here http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfvj9xq4_12d36hjz to view the session descriptions. You'll notice that there are a LOT more sessions this year. We have listened to you...we are now offering multiple sessions that are shorter as opposed to full-day sessions. We'll have short sessions of up to 2 hours...half-day sessions...and some all-day sessions. You can mix and match....attend what you want to and learn a lot more! If you would like to learn more about something and you don't see it in the session list....let us know! We'll see if we can set up a session for it! Hope you can join us for an incredible learning experience! Some additional things that will be added to the list soon are the Keynotes, roundtables, and evening sessions. (some examples: "Ask the experts: roundtable discussion of issues affecting technology in your school", "Build your own TIVO", Meet Maddog!, and a whole lot more! Don't forget the incredible food as well as the great wine and cheese reception and banquet! Register soon! The conference isn't very far off! For registration and more info: http://www.fossed.com Just a note...if you are planning to attend the UNH or Washington D.C. conferences....those Sessions will be posted very soon. Matt and I are also hopeful that UNH will have their registration link up before the end of the week. Stay tuned! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From tom at pcc.com Wed Apr 25 13:45:50 2007 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:45:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried smbldap installer with Centos 5 ?? In-Reply-To: <462F5170.8090709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <462F5170.8090709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <462F5B8E.3090400@pcc.com> I found that it crashes under Cent 4.4 so I havent bothered with 5 yet. Brian Chivers wrote: > I'm about to start installing several new servers ready for the summer > swap and wondered if anyone had tried the smbldap installer script with > Centos 5 and if so would share any "gotchas" :-) > > Thanks > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 13:56:35 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:56:35 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] What's the differences when you run smbldap pdc and smbldap bdc Message-ID: <462F5E13.0@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> As you will have seen from my previous post I'm doing some planning for some server swaps. One of the major ones is replacing our main Samba / Ldap PDC and splitting off the ldap server to a separate box. Currently the PDC acts as the master ldap server and replicates this to the other servers & the samba servers on these boxs authenticate against themselves in effect acting as standalone servers and when you run testparm on these box's they report back as "Standalone" When we swap things around I'd like to implement BDC's and looking at the doc's for Matt's brilliant installer you just have to run ./smbldap pdc on the pdc to set this up but here's the problem, I need to implement the bdc's before I rebuild the PDC as the box's involved can be swapped out a lot easier then the pdc. I can setup the replication from the master to slave LDAP's ok but wondered what else needs to be done on the to setup the BDC's by hand. I did think about simply running ./smbldap bdc on the bdc's but I'm not sure if this would work as it would know about the relevent values or will the brilliant script ask this :-) Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 14:01:24 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:01:24 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried smbldap installer with Centos 5 ?? In-Reply-To: <462F5B8E.3090400@pcc.com> References: <462F5170.8090709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <462F5B8E.3090400@pcc.com> Message-ID: <462F5F34.5020607@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Tom Astle wrote: > I found that it crashes under Cent 4.4 so I havent bothered with 5 yet. > > Brian Chivers wrote: >> I'm about to start installing several new servers ready for the summer >> swap and wondered if anyone had tried the smbldap installer script >> with Centos 5 and if so would share any "gotchas" :-) >> >> Thanks >> Brian Chivers >> Portsmouth College >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Looking at Matt's website it looks like Centos 4.4 was added in version 3.0-mu :-) ##################################################### 3.0-mu Fri Dec 22 00:05:25 EST 2006 * CentOS 4.4 supported added to distro_data.pm thanks to Ben King! Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From tom at pcc.com Wed Apr 25 14:49:41 2007 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:49:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried smbldap installer with Centos 5 ?? In-Reply-To: <462F5F34.5020607@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <462F5170.8090709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <462F5B8E.3090400@pcc.com> <462F5F34.5020607@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <462F6A85.4010909@pcc.com> I just tried it again and it still crashes. Brian Chivers wrote: > Tom Astle wrote: >> I found that it crashes under Cent 4.4 so I havent bothered with 5 yet. >> >> Brian Chivers wrote: >>> I'm about to start installing several new servers ready for the >>> summer swap and wondered if anyone had tried the smbldap installer >>> script with Centos 5 and if so would share any "gotchas" :-) >>> >>> Thanks >>> Brian Chivers >>> Portsmouth College >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>> >>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > Looking at Matt's website it looks like Centos 4.4 was added in version > 3.0-mu :-) > > ##################################################### > 3.0-mu > Fri Dec 22 00:05:25 EST 2006 > * CentOS 4.4 supported added to distro_data.pm thanks to Ben King! > > > Brian > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Apr 25 14:55:56 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:55:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 EL test #3 Message-ID: <20070425075556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.ea2dbd9f08.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Is this going to be the direction of K12LTSP, using CentOS instead of Fedora? Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 EL test #3 > From: Eric Harrison > Date: Tue, April 24, 2007 7:22 pm > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > I have a new test build of K12LTSP 5.0 EL, based on the final version of > CentOS 5.0 + all released patches. Both 32bit & 64bit builds are > available. > > Unlike the previous test build, this one has had a fair of testing. Odds > are greater than 50% that it won't eat your hard drive ;-) > > -Eric > > 32bit (i.e. Pentium, Athlon, older Xeons) > > CDROM: > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-32bit-iso/ . > > DVD: > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-32bit-dvd/ . > > 64bit (i.e. Opteron, Athlon64, newer Xeons) > > CDROM: > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-64bit-iso/ . > > DVD: > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-EL-64bit-dvd/ . > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 25 15:05:51 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:05:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 EL test #3 In-Reply-To: <20070425075556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.ea2dbd9f08.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070425075556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.ea2dbd9f08.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <462F6E4F.5000003@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Is this going to be the direction of K12LTSP, using CentOS instead of > Fedora? The direction has been to support both RHEL/CentOS and Fedora. The first CentOS-based "EL" version was released about two years ago. -Eric From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 15:09:01 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:09:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried smbldap installer with Centos 5 ?? In-Reply-To: <462F6A85.4010909@pcc.com> References: <462F5170.8090709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <462F5B8E.3090400@pcc.com> <462F5F34.5020607@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <462F6A85.4010909@pcc.com> Message-ID: <462F6F0D.4020107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> *Rude Words* That's not what I wanted to hear :-( Where does it crash ?? I'll install CentOS 5 on a test box and see how I get on, then if I get it working I'll let Matt know so he can "correct" things Thanks Brian Tom Astle wrote: > I just tried it again and it still crashes. > > Brian Chivers wrote: >> Tom Astle wrote: >>> I found that it crashes under Cent 4.4 so I havent bothered with 5 yet. >>> >>> Brian Chivers wrote: >>>> I'm about to start installing several new servers ready for the >>>> summer swap and wondered if anyone had tried the smbldap installer >>>> script with Centos 5 and if so would share any "gotchas" :-) >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Brian Chivers >>>> Portsmouth College >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>> >>>> the views of Portsmouth College >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> Looking at Matt's website it looks like Centos 4.4 was added in >> version 3.0-mu :-) >> >> ##################################################### >> 3.0-mu >> Fri Dec 22 00:05:25 EST 2006 >> * CentOS 4.4 supported added to distro_data.pm thanks to Ben King! >> >> >> Brian >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Apr 25 15:59:46 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:59:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What's the differences when you run smbldap pdc and smbldap bdc In-Reply-To: <462F5E13.0@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <462F5E13.0@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <462F7AF2.6090004@paasda.org> I might be speak'n outta my ___ here...but I believe in your swap process you can create the samba box as a PDC and then change it to a BDC simply by editing the /etc/samba/smb.conf file after you are ready to have both a PDC and a BDC on the network.. http://www.faqs.org/docs/samba/ch04.html that's the samba book from o'reilly online(free) specifically the section on PDC and BDC's...just scroll down a bit --Huck Brian Chivers wrote: > As you will have seen from my previous post I'm doing some planning for > some server swaps. One of the major ones is replacing our main Samba / > Ldap PDC and splitting off the ldap server to a separate box. > > Currently the PDC acts as the master ldap server and replicates this to > the other servers & the samba servers on these boxs authenticate against > themselves in effect acting as standalone servers and when you run > testparm on these box's they report back as "Standalone" > > When we swap things around I'd like to implement BDC's and looking at > the doc's for Matt's brilliant installer you just have to run ./smbldap > pdc on the pdc to set this up but here's the problem, I need to > implement the bdc's before I rebuild the PDC as the box's involved can > be swapped out a lot easier then the pdc. > > I can setup the replication from the master to slave LDAP's ok but > wondered what else needs to be done on the to setup the BDC's by hand. I > did think about simply running ./smbldap bdc on the bdc's but I'm not > sure if this would work as it would know about the relevent values or > will the brilliant script ask this :-) > > Thanks > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 16:21:49 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:21:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried smbldap installer with Centos 5 ?? In-Reply-To: <462F5170.8090709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <462F5170.8090709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200704251221.49292.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 09:02, Brian Chivers wrote: > I'm about to start installing several new servers ready for the summer swap > and wondered if anyone had tried the smbldap installer script with Centos 5 > and if so would share any "gotchas" :-) > Your query prompted me to try it out. I ran smbldap-installer (v3.1) on a CentOS-5 virtual machine (VMware Server v1.0.2) and selected "centos44" as the installation target host. I was able to get SMB-LDAP installed, configured and running *but* the installation script does not work out of the box. I ran into the following problems (and workarounds): 1. Vanilla CentOS-5 does not define the "dag" repository. Fix: That is Dag Wieers repository: http://dag.wieers.com/ 2. Repository has been renamed "rpmforge" Fix: In /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmforge.repo change [rpmforge] to [dag] 3. Still can't get several Perl modules due to version mismatches Fix: use yum to install packages without reference to version numbers 4. The smbldap-tools didn't get installed. Manual installation collides with perl-ldap module. Fix: remove perl-ldap modle with yum. Use yum to get right perl-ldap and then install smbldap-tools. The installer script used a hodge-podge of packages from the "dag" repository (several old Fedora packages for instance). Dag seems to have a suitable "el5" branch that takes care of that, but the scripts need to be updated. As clumsy as this exercise was, it is far simpler than rolling your own and it seems to work if you can get to the end of the configuration step. Those more familiar with "smbldap-installer" may have a more elegant way to fix it. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Apr 25 17:02:20 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:02:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripting for Linux - RDesktop straight to an app In-Reply-To: <69b790a80704241315j6162b5c8v701cf1d1fa9ca2aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070424132009.66394730CA@hormel.redhat.com> <462E4CC2.7090707@gilanet.com> <69b790a80704241315j6162b5c8v701cf1d1fa9ca2aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <462F899C.4030504@scheie.homedns.org> Roger wrote: > On 4/24/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: >> Here's is my current situation, we want to use rdesktop to a terminal >> server for a couple legacy apps. I've seen you can pass the user name >> and password with -u and -p command line or enter them in using the >> TSClient. In the TSClient you can also specify an app to open right >> away, how would you do this on the command line? And if I were to >> script this, which I'm familiar with only in windows right now, how >> might I go about using the current users username and password to fill >> the arguments? We are authenticating to the windows AD so the username >> and password for the terminal server would be the same. This way I can >> create links on the students desktops to the program and it would log >> them into the terminal server and open the app, creating the illusion >> they are running it local if it is done full screen. Any thoughts on >> this, it is my first time scripting in Linux. I created what I thought >> was a script, but it always asks me if I want to Run, View, or Run in >> Terminal, and I > can't have it do that. It works like I want it, except I had to put in > the username/password manually, and still open the app. Thanks for the > help once again! > > > Do you have the script so that you can run it from the command line? > After that, you may need to create a launcher to be able to just > double click on an icon. > > Normally, if it's a shell script, you can access the current name with > $USER. > So, with a bash script, you would put: > rdesktop -u $USER 'server-name' > > To start an app, for instance Firefox, you'd have to specify the full > path to the executable on the command line: > rdesktop -u $USER -s "c:\program files\mozilla firefox\firefox.exe" > server-name > > Not sure if you can take the password they've entered and add it to > the command line. I think the command line would want the plain text > password. > You could write a wrapper script that prompts the user for the password, then passes that pw to the rdesktop command. I like using zenity for creating GUI prompts to users (see the man page). So you could do something like this: PW=`zenity --entry --hide-text --text="Please enter your password"` rdesktop -u $USER -p $PW 'server-name' Put the above lines into a file in. say, /usr/local/bin, make it executable (chmod +x script), and try it from a command line. If that works, then do as Roger suggested and create a launcher that calls the script. Petre From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Apr 25 17:40:51 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:40:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 EL test #3 In-Reply-To: <462F6E4F.5000003@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20070425075556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.ea2dbd9f08.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <462F6E4F.5000003@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <462F92A3.9030609@cmosnetworks.com> Eric Harrison wrote: > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > >> Is this going to be the direction of K12LTSP, using CentOS instead of >> Fedora? >> > > > The direction has been to support both RHEL/CentOS and Fedora. The first > CentOS-based "EL" version was released about two years ago. > > -Eric > > Thank you, Eric. I'm currently running at home--and championing wherever someone will listen--the CentOS version. The reason, of course, is the long-term support nature of CentOS, due to its RHEL parentage. However, when I do my demos, I generally use the Fedora version for the bleeding-edge eye-candy. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12ltsp at hermon.net Wed Apr 25 17:40:57 2007 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:40:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop Fails after Update Message-ID: Hi Everyone, When we did a Yum update on our LTSP servers, running K12LTSP 5, we noticed that rdesktop no longer works on a terminal. Sometimes, we can get to a login screen, or begin the login process, but it will eventually fail with a "Segmentation Fault" error. Has anyone else seen this error with their upgrade? It is happening on all of our servers and isn't isolated. Does anyone know a possible workaround? Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Owen Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Apr 25 17:48:16 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:48:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop Fails after Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <462F9460.8050506@cmosnetworks.com> Did you reboot after your yum update? Depending on what gets updated (certain core libraries, the kernel perhaps, etc.), a reboot is needed to make sure that apps can properly access what just got updated. I have often seen this with Thunderbird and Firefox. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! k12ltsp wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > When we did a Yum update on our LTSP servers, running K12LTSP 5, we > noticed that rdesktop no longer works on a terminal. Sometimes, we can get > to a login screen, or begin the login process, but it will eventually fail > with a "Segmentation Fault" error. > > Has anyone else seen this error with their upgrade? > > It is happening on all of our servers and isn't isolated. > > Does anyone know a possible workaround? > > Thanks! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Alan Owen > Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) > Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department > "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom at pcc.com Wed Apr 25 17:47:44 2007 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:47:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried smbldap installer with Centos 5 ?? In-Reply-To: <200704251221.49292.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <462F5170.8090709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <200704251221.49292.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <462F9440.4080801@pcc.com> These same issues cause the CentOS 4.4 not to work too. John Lucas wrote: > On Wednesday 25 April 2007 09:02, Brian Chivers wrote: >> I'm about to start installing several new servers ready for the summer swap >> and wondered if anyone had tried the smbldap installer script with Centos 5 >> and if so would share any "gotchas" :-) >> > > Your query prompted me to try it out. I ran smbldap-installer (v3.1) on a > CentOS-5 virtual machine (VMware Server v1.0.2) and selected "centos44" as > the installation target host. I was able to get SMB-LDAP installed, > configured and running *but* the installation script does not work out of the > box. I ran into the following problems (and workarounds): > > 1. Vanilla CentOS-5 does not define the "dag" repository. > Fix: That is Dag Wieers repository: http://dag.wieers.com/ > > 2. Repository has been renamed "rpmforge" > Fix: In /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmforge.repo change [rpmforge] to [dag] > > 3. Still can't get several Perl modules due to version mismatches > Fix: use yum to install packages without reference to version numbers > > 4. The smbldap-tools didn't get installed. Manual installation collides with > perl-ldap module. > Fix: remove perl-ldap modle with yum. Use yum to get right perl-ldap and then > install smbldap-tools. > > The installer script used a hodge-podge of packages from the "dag" repository > (several old Fedora packages for instance). Dag seems to have a suitable > "el5" branch that takes care of that, but the scripts need to be updated. > > As clumsy as this exercise was, it is far simpler than rolling your own and it > seems to work if you can get to the end of the configuration step. Those more > familiar with "smbldap-installer" may have a more elegant way to fix it. > From k12ltsp at hermon.net Wed Apr 25 17:49:55 2007 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:49:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop Fails after Update Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Did you reboot after your yum update? Depending on what gets updated >(certain core libraries, the kernel perhaps, etc.), a reboot is needed to >make sure that apps can properly access what just got updated. I have >often seen this with Thunderbird and Firefox. > >--TP Hi! Thank you for the quick response! Yes, all of the servers were restarted. The servers were updated about 2 weeks ago. From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 25 17:53:05 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:53:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 EL test #3 In-Reply-To: <462F92A3.9030609@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20070425075556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.ea2dbd9f08.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <462F6E4F.5000003@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <462F92A3.9030609@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <462F9581.3040005@futuresource.com> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> The direction has been to support both RHEL/CentOS and Fedora. The first >> CentOS-based "EL" version was released about two years ago. >> > > Thank you, Eric. I'm currently running at home--and championing > wherever someone will listen--the CentOS version. The reason, of > course, is the long-term support nature of CentOS, due to its RHEL > parentage. However, when I do my demos, I generally use the Fedora > version for the bleeding-edge eye-candy. For a while after each CentOS release there isn't much difference, so for anyone's 'next' install the CentOS5 version will probably be a good choice. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Apr 25 17:56:46 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:56:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop Fails after Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <462F965E.6070003@cmosnetworks.com> k12ltsp wrote: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >> Did you reboot after your yum update? Depending on what gets updated >> (certain core libraries, the kernel perhaps, etc.), a reboot is needed to >> make sure that apps can properly access what just got updated. I have >> often seen this with Thunderbird and Firefox. >> >> --TP >> > > Hi! > > Thank you for the quick response! Yes, all of the servers were restarted. > The servers were updated about 2 weeks ago. > Hmm...I vaguely recall seeing something like that a year and a half or so back. Here's what I did. Try downloading the rdesktop source code and installing it (it should install into /usr/local by default). Then, try renaming /usr/bin/rdesktop to, say, /usr/bin/rdesktop.orig, and then symlink your new rdesktop to /usr/bin/rdesktop. What we're trying to do here is see if the rdesktop executable got FUBAR'd or if there's some other library that it's looking for but can't find. When you compile it, it will compile specifically for your libraries and shouldn't have any problems. http://www.rdesktop.org/ I just checked, and the current version is v1.5.0. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12ltsp at hermon.net Wed Apr 25 18:16:24 2007 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:16:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop Fails after Update Message-ID: Hello there! Thank you for the suggestion! I have moved the old rdesktop and compiled a new version using the source code at the website you provided. I did notice some improvements, such as it defaulting to a higher color depth. Unfortunately, the issue still follows. There is a segmentation fault that happens when we attempt to login. It's also worth noting that the issue does NOT occur when using rdesktop from console. It only occurs when launched through a terminal. "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Hmm...I vaguely recall seeing something like that a year and a half or so >back. Here's what I did. Try downloading the rdesktop source code and >installing it (it should install into /usr/local by default). Then, try >renaming /usr/bin/rdesktop to, say, /usr/bin/rdesktop.orig, and then >symlink your new rdesktop to /usr/bin/rdesktop. What we're trying to do >here is see if the rdesktop executable got FUBAR'd or if there's some >other library that it's looking for but can't find. When you compile it, >it will compile specifically for your libraries and shouldn't have any >problems. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Apr 25 18:29:11 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:29:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop Fails after Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <462F9DF7.9010402@cmosnetworks.com> Hmm...I've got to head to work, but I'll see if I can find anything out Googling this evening when I get some time. This definitely should not be happening. Hey, waitasec. Not crashing from the console, but it is through the terminals, eh? In that case, we might be seeing an X11 (on the client) issue. Back when I was running UltraSPARC thin clients, I was using a release-candidate set of binaries of XFree86 4.4 (just before the Big Split). See, I had Red Hat Linux 6.2 installed on the Ultra 5 boxes' hard disks, which uses XFree86 3.3.6. The LTSP X11 binaries in /opt/ltsp/sparc were XFree86 4.4rc. TuxType and TuxMath would intermittently crash on me when TFTP-booting in normal LTSP style. However, when I booted RHL 6.2 and had XFree86 3.3.6 do an XDMCP query, then TuxMath ran fine, but TuxType would simply not run at all due to the ancient X11 version. Maybe this is what's biting you as well with rdesktop. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! k12ltsp wrote: > Hello there! > > Thank you for the suggestion! I have moved the old rdesktop and compiled a > new version using the source code at the website you provided. I did > notice some improvements, such as it defaulting to a higher color depth. > > Unfortunately, the issue still follows. There is a segmentation fault that > happens when we attempt to login. It's also worth noting that the issue > does NOT occur when using rdesktop from console. It only occurs when > launched through a terminal. > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >> Hmm...I vaguely recall seeing something like that a year and a half or so >> back. Here's what I did. Try downloading the rdesktop source code and >> installing it (it should install into /usr/local by default). Then, try >> renaming /usr/bin/rdesktop to, say, /usr/bin/rdesktop.orig, and then >> symlink your new rdesktop to /usr/bin/rdesktop. What we're trying to do >> here is see if the rdesktop executable got FUBAR'd or if there's some >> other library that it's looking for but can't find. When you compile it, >> it will compile specifically for your libraries and shouldn't have any >> problems. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 18:55:09 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:55:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried smbldap installer with Centos 5 ?? In-Reply-To: <462F9440.4080801@pcc.com> References: <462F5170.8090709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <200704251221.49292.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <462F9440.4080801@pcc.com> Message-ID: <200704251455.10123.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> If I were deploying on a production system, I would pre-install the needed packages from the most suitable yum repositories (i.e. dag's "el5" if missing from base and extras etc.) and then run the smbldap-installer script *after* installing those packages in order to ensure more straightforward updates in future. The right place to fix this is to update the scripts, but I am not a perl programmer. I think I'll peruse my yum log and make a list ... On Wednesday 25 April 2007 13:47, Tom Astle wrote: > These same issues cause the CentOS 4.4 not to work too. > > John Lucas wrote: > > On Wednesday 25 April 2007 09:02, Brian Chivers wrote: > >> I'm about to start installing several new servers ready for the summer > >> swap and wondered if anyone had tried the smbldap installer script with > >> Centos 5 and if so would share any "gotchas" :-) > > > > Your query prompted me to try it out. I ran smbldap-installer (v3.1) on a > > CentOS-5 virtual machine (VMware Server v1.0.2) and selected "centos44" > > as the installation target host. I was able to get SMB-LDAP installed, > > configured and running *but* the installation script does not work out of > > the box. I ran into the following problems (and workarounds): > > > > 1. Vanilla CentOS-5 does not define the "dag" repository. > > Fix: That is Dag Wieers repository: http://dag.wieers.com/ > > > > 2. Repository has been renamed "rpmforge" > > Fix: In /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmforge.repo change [rpmforge] to [dag] > > > > 3. Still can't get several Perl modules due to version mismatches > > Fix: use yum to install packages without reference to version numbers > > > > 4. The smbldap-tools didn't get installed. Manual installation collides > > with perl-ldap module. > > Fix: remove perl-ldap modle with yum. Use yum to get right perl-ldap and > > then install smbldap-tools. > > > > The installer script used a hodge-podge of packages from the "dag" > > repository (several old Fedora packages for instance). Dag seems to have > > a suitable "el5" branch that takes care of that, but the scripts need to > > be updated. > > > > As clumsy as this exercise was, it is far simpler than rolling your own > > and it seems to work if you can get to the end of the configuration step. > > Those more familiar with "smbldap-installer" may have a more elegant way > > to fix it. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From cbinz at hprd.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 25 19:55:22 2007 From: cbinz at hprd.k12.ar.us (Chad Binz) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:55:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WYSE Thin Clients and K12LTSP Message-ID: <462F6BDB020000410000178D@groupwise.hprd.k12.ar.us> Hello, I am very new to the thinclient setup....as in a few days. I just came to a school district and they are have a lab setup with cirtrix. Anyways they had asked for a different lab setup and I came across the K12LTSP package. What I do have is two great servers, and about 35 WYSE WT3125SE Thin Clients With a Microsoft OS on them. I have downloaded the V6 of K12LTSP and installed it...to the best of my knowledge on a test server. My questions are these: 1.) can any thin client work with this or do you have to have something special setup? 2.) How do thin clients connect exactly?....Is it a preconfiged NIC or something.... 3.) If so, is there some special firmware pageage I would have to download and update? 4.) and last but not least, when a thin client boots up, how do you get to the system admin area to update firmware and such? Anyways, Any pointers would be wonderful. We do not have any existing documentation of the setup we currently have and it is constently causing us grief. I am very excited about the K12LTSP setup and would very much like to implement it. Thanks, Chad Binz From nick.hadgis at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 20:33:20 2007 From: nick.hadgis at gmail.com (Nick Hadgis) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:33:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop Fails after Update In-Reply-To: <462F9DF7.9010402@cmosnetworks.com> References: <462F9DF7.9010402@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <400d33020704251333y5c299c3aye67b53593d3cfa65@mail.gmail.com> I had the same issue on my FC6 workstation (not a K12LTSP client/server). This started happening some time last week, after I performed a yum update. The "Segmentation Fault" error occured at random times, either immediately after I enter my username/password or after working fine for 5-10 minutes. I tried compiled rdesktop (v1.5) from souce and the error still occured. I then compiled rdesktop (v1.4) from source and so far, so good. -Nick On 4/25/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > Hmm...I've got to head to work, but I'll see if I can find anything out > Googling this evening when I get some time. This definitely should not be > happening. > > Hey, waitasec. Not crashing from the console, but it is through the > terminals, eh? In that case, we might be seeing an X11 (on the client) > issue. Back when I was running UltraSPARC thin clients, I was using a > release-candidate set of binaries of XFree86 4.4 (just before the Big > Split). See, I had Red Hat Linux 6.2 installed on the Ultra 5 boxes' hard > disks, which uses XFree86 3.3.6. The LTSP X11 binaries in /opt/ltsp/sparc > were XFree86 4.4rc. TuxType and TuxMath would intermittently crash on me > when TFTP-booting in normal LTSP style. However, when I booted RHL 6.2and had XFree86 > 3.3.6 do an XDMCP query, then TuxMath ran fine, but TuxType would simply > not run at all due to the ancient X11 version. > > Maybe this is what's biting you as well with rdesktop. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > k12ltsp wrote: > > Hello there! > > Thank you for the suggestion! I have moved the old rdesktop and compiled a > new version using the source code at the website you provided. I did > notice some improvements, such as it defaulting to a higher color depth. > > Unfortunately, the issue still follows. There is a segmentation fault that > happens when we attempt to login. It's also worth noting that the issue > does NOT occur when using rdesktop from console. It only occurs when > launched through a terminal. > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > > > Hmm...I vaguely recall seeing something like that a year and a half or so > back. Here's what I did. Try downloading the rdesktop source code and > installing it (it should install into /usr/local by default). Then, try > renaming /usr/bin/rdesktop to, say, /usr/bin/rdesktop.orig, and then > symlink your new rdesktop to /usr/bin/rdesktop. What we're trying to do > here is see if the rdesktop executable got FUBAR'd or if there's some > other library that it's looking for but can't find. When you compile it, > it will compile specifically for your libraries and shouldn't have any > problems. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at hartmanncomputer.com Wed Apr 25 20:34:01 2007 From: peter at hartmanncomputer.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:34:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop Fails after Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560704251334j55e775fcj441d6255723d0913@mail.gmail.com> This happend to me on my laptop. I down graded to 1.4..1-4. we're not alone. On 4/25/07, k12ltsp wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > When we did a Yum update on our LTSP servers, running K12LTSP 5, we > noticed that rdesktop no longer works on a terminal. Sometimes, we can get > to a login screen, or begin the login process, but it will eventually fail > with a "Segmentation Fault" error. > > Has anyone else seen this error with their upgrade? > > It is happening on all of our servers and isn't isolated. > > Does anyone know a possible workaround? > > Thanks! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Alan Owen > Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) > Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department > "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dlindstr at ameritech.net Wed Apr 25 20:47:31 2007 From: dlindstr at ameritech.net (David Lindstrom) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FL_Teachertool - broadcast - localhost Message-ID: <551813.37796.qm@web83607.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi FL_Teachertool is wonderful. The only problem I have is on broadcast. I am using the basic install for K12ltsp 6 - for configuration, I have followed the directions on: http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Setting_up_Fl_TeacherTool_on_K12LTSP_5_or_newer I launched FL_Teachertool with the "teach" command, which uses sudo as in the above instructions. I get this message when I click on the "broadcast" button: Starting in the background, see the log file for errors and other messages. Couldn't convert 'localhost' to host address I get the message whether running on the server box or from a client terminal. My guess is that it is simple configuration. Any ideas? thanks. -dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at ptd.net Wed Apr 25 22:57:44 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:57:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripting for Linux - RDesktop straight to an app In-Reply-To: <462F899C.4030504@scheie.homedns.org> References: <20070424132009.66394730CA@hormel.redhat.com> <462E4CC2.7090707@gilanet.com> <69b790a80704241315j6162b5c8v701cf1d1fa9ca2aa@mail.gmail.com> <462F899C.4030504@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <20070425225744.GA5762@clubber.owens.net> I wonder if it would be possible to get the password from pam_mount. Then, possibly, you might be able to rdesktop w/o even entering the password. I have no idea how it would be done, but maybe somebody smarter than me could chime in with an idea. -Rob On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:02:20PM -0500, Peter Scheie wrote: > You could write a wrapper script that prompts the user for the password, > then passes that pw to the rdesktop command. I like using zenity for > creating GUI prompts to users (see the man page). So you could do > something like this: > > PW=`zenity --entry --hide-text --text="Please enter your password"` > rdesktop -u $USER -p $PW 'server-name' > > Put the above lines into a file in. say, /usr/local/bin, make it executable > (chmod +x script), and try it from a command line. If that works, then do > as Roger suggested and create a launcher that calls the script. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From julius at turtle.com Thu Apr 26 00:13:41 2007 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop Fails after Update In-Reply-To: <462F9DF7.9010402@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, [ISO-8859-1] "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > Hmm...I've got to head to work, but I'll see if I can find anything out > Googling this evening when I get some time. This definitely should not > be happening. > > Hey, waitasec. Not crashing from the console, but it is through the > terminals, eh? In that case, we might be seeing an X11 (on the client) > issue. Back when I was running UltraSPARC thin clients, I was using a > release-candidate set of binaries of XFree86 4.4 (just before the Big > Split). See, I had Red Hat Linux 6.2 installed on the Ultra 5 boxes' > hard disks, which uses XFree86 3.3.6. The LTSP X11 binaries in > /opt/ltsp/sparc were XFree86 4.4rc. TuxType and TuxMath would > intermittently crash on me when TFTP-booting in normal LTSP style. > However, when I booted RHL 6.2 and had XFree86 3.3.6 do an XDMCP query, > then TuxMath ran fine, but TuxType would simply not run at all due to > the ancient X11 version. > > Maybe this is what's biting you as well with rdesktop. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > k12ltsp wrote: > > Hello there! > > > > Thank you for the suggestion! I have moved the old rdesktop and compiled a > > new version using the source code at the website you provided. I did > > notice some improvements, such as it defaulting to a higher color depth. > > > > Unfortunately, the issue still follows. There is a segmentation fault that > > happens when we attempt to login. It's also worth noting that the issue > > does NOT occur when using rdesktop from console. It only occurs when > > launched through a terminal. > > > > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > writes: > > > >> Hmm...I vaguely recall seeing something like that a year and a half or so > >> back. Here's what I did. Try downloading the rdesktop source code and > >> installing it (it should install into /usr/local by default). Then, try > >> renaming /usr/bin/rdesktop to, say, /usr/bin/rdesktop.orig, and then > >> symlink your new rdesktop to /usr/bin/rdesktop. What we're trying to do > >> here is see if the rdesktop executable got FUBAR'd or if there's some > >> other library that it's looking for but can't find. When you compile it, > >> it will compile specifically for your libraries and shouldn't have any > >> problems. > >> Terrel, I am running updated to the gills version K12 6 on 3 servers and a laptop. The issue is new - it came after the yum update a few days ago, but I became aware of it only a few hours ago. The segmentation fault happens on terminals and on the laptop, that is, on the console too. julius From daengbo at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 00:07:52 2007 From: daengbo at gmail.com (Daniel Bodanske) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:07:52 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripting for Linux - RDesktop straight to an app In-Reply-To: <20070425225744.GA5762@clubber.owens.net> References: <20070424132009.66394730CA@hormel.redhat.com> <462E4CC2.7090707@gilanet.com> <69b790a80704241315j6162b5c8v701cf1d1fa9ca2aa@mail.gmail.com> <462F899C.4030504@scheie.homedns.org> <20070425225744.GA5762@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: Have you tried seamless RDP? http://loftninjas.org/blog/2007/01/seamless-rdp-on-ubuntu-edgy-eft-outlook.html The command-line should be the same, though you won't need the stuff about Qemu or VirtualBox. Dan On 4/26/07, Rob Owens wrote: > I wonder if it would be possible to get the password from pam_mount. > Then, possibly, you might be able to rdesktop w/o even entering the > password. > > I have no idea how it would be done, but maybe somebody smarter than me > could chime in with an idea. > > -Rob > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:02:20PM -0500, Peter Scheie wrote: > > You could write a wrapper script that prompts the user for the password, > > then passes that pw to the rdesktop command. I like using zenity for > > creating GUI prompts to users (see the man page). So you could do > > something like this: > > > > PW=`zenity --entry --hide-text --text="Please enter your password"` > > rdesktop -u $USER -p $PW 'server-name' > > > > Put the above lines into a file in. say, /usr/local/bin, make it executable > > (chmod +x script), and try it from a command line. If that works, then do > > as Roger suggested and create a launcher that calls the script. > > > > Petre > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 02:16:52 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:46:52 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] WYSE Thin Clients and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <462F6BDB020000410000178D@groupwise.hprd.k12.ar.us> References: <462F6BDB020000410000178D@groupwise.hprd.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <774593a20704251916u7879cdr96c6cbbb695db78c@mail.gmail.com> On 26/04/07, Chad Binz wrote: > Hello, > I am very new to the thinclient setup....as in a few days. I just > came to a school district and they are have a lab setup with cirtrix. > Anyways they had asked for a different lab setup and I came across the > K12LTSP package. What I do have is two great servers, and about 35 WYSE Welcome. 1.) can any thin client work with this or do you have to have something special setup? Lot of people have reported these clients working with LTSP. Only setup needed is to enable BIOS to PXE boot or if that is not possible use etherboot plugged EPROM or floppy from rom-o-matic site. 2.) How do thin clients connect exactly?....Is it a preconfiged NIC or something.... As above. The NIC needs to be told to seek host which is offering boot files and start boot from there. 3.) If so, is there some special firmware pageage I would have to download and update? Normally no. All you need to do is get into BIOS settings and set first boot device as network boot. Exact description varies from BIOS to BIOS. 4.) and last but not least, when a thin client boots up, how do you get to the system admin area to update firmware and such? At the time of boot try pressing any of following keys "del" "F1" "F2" "F10" generally one of these will take you to BIOS setup area and there you need to do the set as above. May be other who have these thin clients can describe exact key needed. HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar From dlindstr at ameritech.net Thu Apr 26 03:04:30 2007 From: dlindstr at ameritech.net (Dave Lindstrom) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:04:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FL_Teachertool - broadcast - localhost In-Reply-To: <551813.37796.qm@web83607.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <551813.37796.qm@web83607.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <463016BE.1050501@ameritech.net> I knew it had to be too simple. In my /etc/hosts file, I just put "localhost" as an alias for the server ip (last line of file): 192.168.0.254 server.ltsp server localhost I am not sure why this wasn't in the K12ltsp distribution as part of the install. It seems like everyone would have this problem?? -dave David Lindstrom wrote: > Hi > > FL_Teachertool is wonderful. The only problem I have is on > broadcast. I am using the basic install for K12ltsp 6 - for > configuration, I have followed the directions on: > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Setting_up_Fl_TeacherTool_on_K12LTSP_5_or_newer > > I launched FL_Teachertool with the "teach" command, which uses sudo as > in the above instructions. I get this message when I click on the > "broadcast" button: > > Starting in the background, see the log file for errors and other > messages. > Couldn't convert 'localhost' to host address > > I get the message whether running on the server box or from a client > terminal. > > My guess is that it is simple configuration. Any ideas? > > thanks. > > -dave > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From micnet at terra.es Wed Apr 25 14:13:42 2007 From: micnet at terra.es (MIC) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:13:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Install printer on client Message-ID: <005001c78743$ee946650$8000a8c0@desktop> How can I install an HP Deskjet 640C printer on a client so that we can print from the server and the other clients? I'm running K12ltsp Fedora 6. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Apr 26 04:48:33 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpIEpyLiI=?=) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:48:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop Fails after Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46302F21.5060703@cmosnetworks.com> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, [ISO-8859-1] "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > >> Hmm...I've got to head to work, but I'll see if I can find anything out >> Googling this evening when I get some time. This definitely should not >> be happening. >> >> Hey, waitasec. Not crashing from the console, but it is through the >> terminals, eh? In that case, we might be seeing an X11 (on the client) >> issue. Back when I was running UltraSPARC thin clients, I was using a >> release-candidate set of binaries of XFree86 4.4 (just before the Big >> Split). See, I had Red Hat Linux 6.2 installed on the Ultra 5 boxes' >> hard disks, which uses XFree86 3.3.6. The LTSP X11 binaries in >> /opt/ltsp/sparc were XFree86 4.4rc. TuxType and TuxMath would >> intermittently crash on me when TFTP-booting in normal LTSP style. >> However, when I booted RHL 6.2 and had XFree86 3.3.6 do an XDMCP query, >> then TuxMath ran fine, but TuxType would simply not run at all due to >> the ancient X11 version. >> >> Maybe this is what's biting you as well with rdesktop. >> >> --TP >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus >> protection! >> >> >> k12ltsp wrote: >> >>> Hello there! >>> >>> Thank you for the suggestion! I have moved the old rdesktop and compiled a >>> new version using the source code at the website you provided. I did >>> notice some improvements, such as it defaulting to a higher color depth. >>> >>> Unfortunately, the issue still follows. There is a segmentation fault that >>> happens when we attempt to login. It's also worth noting that the issue >>> does NOT occur when using rdesktop from console. It only occurs when >>> launched through a terminal. >>> >>> >>> "Support list for open source software in schools." >>> writes: >>> >>> >>>> Hmm...I vaguely recall seeing something like that a year and a half or so >>>> back. Here's what I did. Try downloading the rdesktop source code and >>>> installing it (it should install into /usr/local by default). Then, try >>>> renaming /usr/bin/rdesktop to, say, /usr/bin/rdesktop.orig, and then >>>> symlink your new rdesktop to /usr/bin/rdesktop. What we're trying to do >>>> here is see if the rdesktop executable got FUBAR'd or if there's some >>>> other library that it's looking for but can't find. When you compile it, >>>> it will compile specifically for your libraries and shouldn't have any >>>> problems. >>>> >>>> > Terrel, > I am running updated to the gills version K12 6 on 3 servers and a > laptop. > The issue is new - it came after the yum update a few days ago, > but I became aware of it only a few hours ago. > The segmentation fault happens on terminals and on the laptop, > that is, on the console too. > julius > For you, it's happening on the console as well? Hmm...that *is* interesting. What version of rdesktop are you running? Could it be that yum update also updated rdesktop to 1.5, and 1.5 might itself be buggy? A couple of other folks have pointed out that "downgrading" from rdesktop 1.5 to 1.4.x seems to make the problem go away. I do happen to be using 1.4.1. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MIC wrote: > How can I install an HP Deskjet 640C printer on a client so that we > can print from the server and the other clients? > I'm running K12ltsp Fedora 6. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 07:05:52 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:05:52 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried smbldap installer with Centos 5 ?? In-Reply-To: <200704251455.10123.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <462F5170.8090709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <200704251221.49292.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <462F9440.4080801@pcc.com> <200704251455.10123.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46304F50.3060309@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Thanks for the pointers guys. What I'll do is have a look though the packages that the installer script uses for CentOS 4.4 and then try to find the relevent packages either via one of the 7 CD's or Yum etc. When I'm done I'll let you guys know so people don't have to reinvent the wheel :-) Brian John Lucas wrote: > If I were deploying on a production system, I would pre-install the needed > packages from the most suitable yum repositories (i.e. dag's "el5" if missing > from base and extras etc.) and then run the smbldap-installer script *after* > installing those packages in order to ensure more straightforward updates in > future. The right place to fix this is to update the scripts, but I am not a > perl programmer. > > I think I'll peruse my yum log and make a list ... > > On Wednesday 25 April 2007 13:47, Tom Astle wrote: >> These same issues cause the CentOS 4.4 not to work too. >> >> John Lucas wrote: >>> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 09:02, Brian Chivers wrote: >>>> I'm about to start installing several new servers ready for the summer >>>> swap and wondered if anyone had tried the smbldap installer script with >>>> Centos 5 and if so would share any "gotchas" :-) >>> Your query prompted me to try it out. I ran smbldap-installer (v3.1) on a >>> CentOS-5 virtual machine (VMware Server v1.0.2) and selected "centos44" >>> as the installation target host. I was able to get SMB-LDAP installed, >>> configured and running *but* the installation script does not work out of >>> the box. I ran into the following problems (and workarounds): >>> >>> 1. Vanilla CentOS-5 does not define the "dag" repository. >>> Fix: That is Dag Wieers repository: http://dag.wieers.com/ >>> >>> 2. Repository has been renamed "rpmforge" >>> Fix: In /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmforge.repo change [rpmforge] to [dag] >>> >>> 3. Still can't get several Perl modules due to version mismatches >>> Fix: use yum to install packages without reference to version numbers >>> >>> 4. The smbldap-tools didn't get installed. Manual installation collides >>> with perl-ldap module. >>> Fix: remove perl-ldap modle with yum. Use yum to get right perl-ldap and >>> then install smbldap-tools. >>> >>> The installer script used a hodge-podge of packages from the "dag" >>> repository (several old Fedora packages for instance). Dag seems to have >>> a suitable "el5" branch that takes care of that, but the scripts need to >>> be updated. >>> >>> As clumsy as this exercise was, it is far simpler than rolling your own >>> and it seems to work if you can get to the end of the configuration step. >>> Those more familiar with "smbldap-installer" may have a more elegant way >>> to fix it. >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 07:06:49 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:06:49 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] What's the differences when you run smbldap pdc and smbldap bdc In-Reply-To: <462F7AF2.6090004@paasda.org> References: <462F5E13.0@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <462F7AF2.6090004@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46304F89.20907@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Well looking at that it's only one line that is different PDC domain master = yes BDC domain master = no Brian Huck wrote: > I might be speak'n outta my ___ here...but I believe in your swap > process you can create the samba box as a PDC and then change it to a > BDC simply by editing the /etc/samba/smb.conf file after you are ready > to have both a PDC and a BDC on the network.. > http://www.faqs.org/docs/samba/ch04.html > > that's the samba book from o'reilly online(free) specifically the > section on PDC and BDC's...just scroll down a bit > > --Huck > > > Brian Chivers wrote: >> As you will have seen from my previous post I'm doing some planning >> for some server swaps. One of the major ones is replacing our main >> Samba / Ldap PDC and splitting off the ldap server to a separate box. >> >> Currently the PDC acts as the master ldap server and replicates this >> to the other servers & the samba servers on these boxs authenticate >> against themselves in effect acting as standalone servers and when you >> run testparm on these box's they report back as "Standalone" >> >> When we swap things around I'd like to implement BDC's and looking at >> the doc's for Matt's brilliant installer you just have to run >> ./smbldap pdc on the pdc to set this up but here's the problem, I need >> to implement the bdc's before I rebuild the PDC as the box's involved >> can be swapped out a lot easier then the pdc. >> >> I can setup the replication from the master to slave LDAP's ok but >> wondered what else needs to be done on the to setup the BDC's by hand. >> I did think about simply running ./smbldap bdc on the bdc's but I'm >> not sure if this would work as it would know about the relevent values >> or will the brilliant script ask this :-) >> >> Thanks >> Brian Chivers >> Portsmouth College >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From rowens at ptd.net Thu Apr 26 13:01:16 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (rowens at ptd.net) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:01:16 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: printing to a Windows-only printer Message-ID: I've got a Panasonic printer that only has Windows drivers. I've got the drivers installed on a Windows machine, and the printer is shared. Can I print to this printer from Linux? I'm thinking that if I connect to the shared printer, then the Windows machine will provide the driver. But when I go to set up the SMB printer in Linux, it asks me for the make and model. Is there a way to get around this? Thanks for any advice you have. -Rob From samvillauel at yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 13:15:46 2007 From: samvillauel at yahoo.com (Samuel Villamizar) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Default TuxPaint Folder Message-ID: <938992.34729.qm@web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Could someone tell me where is the default folder where TuxPaint saves the image files (.png) that the students create?. Also, where do I go to make a global change for all TuxPaint users? I would like to save all of the student's TuxPaint files in the Desktop or in their Home folder. Thank you very much. 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Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From samvillauel at yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 13:24:08 2007 From: samvillauel at yahoo.com (Samuel Villamizar) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Not full screen, just a window Message-ID: <770428.99785.qm@web36411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am having a problem with Tux Typing, by default it opens in full screen mode and I get this warning: "Cannot Display This Video Mode" at this point I need to press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace and log back in Is it possible to make a global change to all users, so that ALL applications open in a Window by default? not in full screen mode? I f this is not possible (a global change) where do I go to make the change in Tux Typing? (change it from Full screen to window mode) Thank you very much for all your help. Sam Villamizar --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thewhitmers at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 13:43:45 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:43:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] software for making animated GIF images Message-ID: One of my school's teachers would like to teach our 8th and 12th grade students how to make simple animations that could be embedded/played in a web page. She envisions having the students draw/import about 6 pictures and then have those playback as an animation, kind of like a flipbook animation. She feels animated GIF images would satisfy her request, though she is open to trying something else as long as there is not a steep learning curve. I know GIMP can export an image as an animated GIF. But I'm a little concerned about the load on our server from having 16 students simultaneously running GIMP (K12LTSP V5). Do any of you know of any other free software that can easily create animated GIF files? Or perhaps that could generate a flash animation from stringing together 6 image files? Or even web sites that could do this? (e.g. I know of a few web sites allowing digital photo editing.) The main thing for us is that it be relatively easy to use and would work on K12LTSP V5. Thanks in advance! David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com From steven at simplycircus.com Thu Apr 26 13:49:59 2007 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:49:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: printing to a Windows-only printer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A long time ago I used to have to deal with such a situation. The work around I used was to share a folder on the windows box, and use a PDF printer to place a PDF file of the print job on the windows box. Then, on the windows box I would run a script ever 60 seconds that would look for any .PDF files, print them, and then delete the PDF file. _____ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of rowens at ptd.net > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:01 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: printing to a Windows-only printer > > > > I've got a Panasonic printer that only has Windows drivers. I've got the > drivers installed on a Windows machine, and the printer is shared. Can I > print to this printer from Linux? I'm thinking that if I connect to the > shared printer, then the Windows machine will provide the driver. > But when I > go to set up the SMB printer in Linux, it asks me for the make > and model. Is > there a way to get around this? > > Thanks for any advice you have. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From peter at scheie.homedns.org Thu Apr 26 14:31:01 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:31:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FL_Teachertool - broadcast - localhost In-Reply-To: <463016BE.1050501@ameritech.net> References: <551813.37796.qm@web83607.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <463016BE.1050501@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <4630B7A5.50302@scheie.homedns.org> I'm not sure why you're having a problem. On my k12ltsp 5 & 6 servers, the only thing that resolves to localhost is 127.0.0.1. 192.168.0.254 only resolves to server.ltsp. I *did* have a problem with broadcast not working, but I fixed that by compiling my own vncreflector. But I don't recall what, if any, error message I was getting with the stock FC vncreflector. Petre Dave Lindstrom wrote: > I knew it had to be too simple. In my /etc/hosts file, I just put > "localhost" as an alias for the server ip (last line of file): > > 192.168.0.254 server.ltsp server localhost > > I am not sure why this wasn't in the K12ltsp distribution as part of the > install. It seems like everyone would have this problem?? > > -dave > > David Lindstrom wrote: >> Hi >> >> FL_Teachertool is wonderful. The only problem I have is on >> broadcast. I am using the basic install for K12ltsp 6 - for >> configuration, I have followed the directions on: >> >> http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Setting_up_Fl_TeacherTool_on_K12LTSP_5_or_newer >> >> >> I launched FL_Teachertool with the "teach" command, which uses sudo as >> in the above instructions. I get this message when I click on the >> "broadcast" button: >> >> Starting in the background, see the log file for errors and other >> messages. >> Couldn't convert 'localhost' to host address >> >> I get the message whether running on the server box or from a client >> terminal. >> >> My guess is that it is simple configuration. Any ideas? >> >> thanks. >> >> -dave >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at scheie.homedns.org Thu Apr 26 14:42:17 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:42:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Not full screen, just a window In-Reply-To: <770428.99785.qm@web36411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <770428.99785.qm@web36411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4630BA49.1010307@scheie.homedns.org> TuxType is really /usr/bin/tuxtype2, which is a binary file. You can have it launch in a window by using the -w parameter. To make it that way for everyone, cd into /usr/bin/, change tuxtype2 to, say, tuxtype2.bin. Then create a script in /usr/bin/ called tuxtype2 that has this line in it: /usr/bin/tuxtype2.bin -w Make the script executable (chmod +x scriptname). Now, whenever anyone clicks on the menu selection for TuxType, it will come up in a window. HTH. Petre Samuel Villamizar wrote: > I am having a problem with Tux Typing, by default it opens in full > screen mode and I get this warning: > "Cannot Display This Video Mode" > at this point I need to press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace and log back in > > Is it possible to make a global change to all users, so that ALL > applications open in a Window by default? not in full screen mode? I f > this is not possible (a global change) where do I go to make the change > in Tux Typing? (change it from Full screen to window mode) > > Thank you very much for all your help. > Sam Villamizar > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From william at fragakis.com Thu Apr 26 16:38:39 2007 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:38:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Not full screen, just a window In-Reply-To: <20070426160024.C722E7325B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070426160024.C722E7325B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1177605519.3260.37.camel@server.ltsp> There is another way go to /usr/share/applications/ find your tuxtype icon right click click "Launcher" like Petre said, change the command to: tuxtype2 -w if you have to text edit the file /usr/share/applications/fedora-tuxtype2.desktop change the Exec line to: Exec=tuxtype2 this trick works for tuxpaint and GCompris,too, but for Childsplay, you'll need to use: childsplay --window regards, William On Thu, 2007-04-26 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:42:17 -0500 > From: Peter Scheie > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Not full screen, just a window > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <4630BA49.1010307 at scheie.homedns.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > TuxType is really /usr/bin/tuxtype2, which is a binary file. You can > have it launch in > a window by using the -w parameter. To make it that way for everyone, > cd into > /usr/bin/, change tuxtype2 to, say, tuxtype2.bin. Then create a > script in /usr/bin/ > called tuxtype2 that has this line in it: > > /usr/bin/tuxtype2.bin -w > > Make the script executable (chmod +x scriptname). Now, whenever > anyone clicks on the > menu selection for TuxType, it will come up in a window. HTH. > > Petre From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Apr 26 16:46:45 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:46:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Install printer on client In-Reply-To: <005001c78743$ee946650$8000a8c0@desktop> References: <005001c78743$ee946650$8000a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <4630D775.9000203@paasda.org> [00:90:dc:03:83:f1] XSERVER = sis PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_O_TYPE = P PRINTER_O_PORT = 9100 the first line is the mac address of the thin client.. the second line specifies which XSERVER to use... the rest is the printer info...pretty standard for all machines I've put parallel printers onto...then http://localhost:631 and add the printer as an ipp printer attached to the client..might need to scour the IP-address of the client, or the ws041 name that LTSP gives it. --Huck MIC wrote: > How can I install an HP Deskjet 640C printer on a client so that we can > print from the server and the other clients? > I'm running K12ltsp Fedora 6. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pnelson.k12 at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 18:13:15 2007 From: pnelson.k12 at gmail.com (Paul Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:13:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] software for making animated GIF images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <508f42dc0704261113t77ebf130hbfbc21ece08ebc77@mail.gmail.com> On 4/26/07, David Whitmer wrote: snip...... > > I know GIMP can export an image as an animated GIF. But I'm a little > concerned about the load on our server from having 16 students > simultaneously running GIMP (K12LTSP V5). Gimp does very well with K12LTSP and lots of users. Here's a link to a howto for doing the annimated gifs: http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us/~pnelson/graphics/Grok/node80.html and one fun example: http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us/~pnelson/graphics/alien.gif Give it a try, I think it will be fine unless you have a slow server with limited memory. ;-) Paul From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Apr 26 18:38:33 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:38:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] software for making animated GIF images In-Reply-To: <508f42dc0704261113t77ebf130hbfbc21ece08ebc77@mail.gmail.com> References: <508f42dc0704261113t77ebf130hbfbc21ece08ebc77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4630F1A9.4000307@paasda.org> nice Gimp tutorial site Paul! You've done a fine job of breaking down all of the complexities that keep people like me away from messing with graphics creation and manipulation! Kudos! --Huck Paul Nelson wrote: > On 4/26/07, David Whitmer wrote: > snip...... >> >> I know GIMP can export an image as an animated GIF. But I'm a little >> concerned about the load on our server from having 16 students >> simultaneously running GIMP (K12LTSP V5). > > Gimp does very well with K12LTSP and lots of users. Here's a link to a > howto for doing the annimated gifs: > http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us/~pnelson/graphics/Grok/node80.html and > one fun example: > http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us/~pnelson/graphics/alien.gif > > Give it a try, I think it will be fine unless you have a slow server > with limited memory. > > ;-) Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From thewhitmers at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 18:41:15 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:41:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] software for making animated GIF images In-Reply-To: <508f42dc0704261113t77ebf130hbfbc21ece08ebc77@mail.gmail.com> References: <508f42dc0704261113t77ebf130hbfbc21ece08ebc77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Paul! The howto looks like it'd be really helpful. I'll probably try it out tonight. David Whitmer On 4/26/07, Paul Nelson wrote: > On 4/26/07, David Whitmer wrote: > snip...... > > > > I know GIMP can export an image as an animated GIF. But I'm a little > > concerned about the load on our server from having 16 students > > simultaneously running GIMP (K12LTSP V5). > > Gimp does very well with K12LTSP and lots of users. Here's a link to a > howto for doing the annimated gifs: > http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us/~pnelson/graphics/Grok/node80.html and > one fun example: > http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us/~pnelson/graphics/alien.gif > > Give it a try, I think it will be fine unless you have a slow server > with limited memory. > > ;-) Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From moquist at majen.net Thu Apr 26 19:12:05 2007 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:12:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: What's the differences when you run smbldap pdc and smbldap bdc (Brian Chivers) In-Reply-To: <20070426160024.AE7757321F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070426160024.AE7757321F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20070426191205.GA10958@majen.net> A BDC replicates the LDAP database from the master LDAP server, so there are LDAP configuration changes in addition to pure samba configuration changes such as domain master = yes/no. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From cbinz at hprd.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 26 20:34:52 2007 From: cbinz at hprd.k12.ar.us (Chad Binz) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:34:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WYSE Thin Clients and K12LTSP Message-ID: <4630C69C02000041000017A5@groupwise.hprd.k12.ar.us> Alright, I just go off the phone with teh WYSE Support and was told that the thin clients I have do not support PXE. The Clients I have are WYSE model number WT3125SE. I have the K12LTSP server installed, but am not sure how to get these clients of mine to connect. Thanks In advance, Chad From k12ltsp at hermon.net Thu Apr 26 21:03:19 2007 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:03:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop Fails after Update Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >For you, it's happening on the console as well? Hmm...that *is* >interesting. What version of rdesktop are you running? Could it be that >yum update also updated rdesktop to 1.5, and 1.5 might itself be buggy? >A couple of other folks have pointed out that "downgrading" from rdesktop >1.5 to 1.4.x seems to make the problem go away. I do happen to be using >1.4.1 Hi! We are using rdesktop-1.4.1-3.2.1 on all 8 of our K12LTSP servers and have the segmentation fault error. Also, upgrading by source code to 5 produces the same error for us anyway. We can use it on console however, but not on terminal. From rowens at ptd.net Thu Apr 26 21:15:47 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:15:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: printing to a Windows-only printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070426211547.GA7827@clubber.owens.net> Thanks for the idea. I know nothing about scripting in Windows. Could you give me an example or maybe some good links so I can teach myself? -Rob On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 09:49:59AM -0400, Steven Santos wrote: > A long time ago I used to have to deal with such a situation. The work > around I used was to share a folder on the windows box, and use a PDF > printer to place a PDF file of the print job on the windows box. Then, on > the windows box I would run a script ever 60 seconds that would look for any > .PDF files, print them, and then delete the PDF file. > > _____ > > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 617-527-0667 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > > Behalf Of rowens at ptd.net > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:01 AM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: printing to a Windows-only printer > > > > > > > > I've got a Panasonic printer that only has Windows drivers. I've got the > > drivers installed on a Windows machine, and the printer is shared. Can I > > print to this printer from Linux? I'm thinking that if I connect to the > > shared printer, then the Windows machine will provide the driver. > > But when I > > go to set up the SMB printer in Linux, it asks me for the make > > and model. Is > > there a way to get around this? > > > > Thanks for any advice you have. > > > > -Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From twolfe at sawback.com Thu Apr 26 21:29:41 2007 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Update on Morley's K12LTSP situation Message-ID: Hi folks, I've been quiet for a few months on this list but thought I'd share what's going on here in Morley, Alberta, Canada. We now have a single K12LTSP server (dual processor Xeon 64-bit with 8 GB RAM, K12LTSP 6.0) beaming out on a 1 gig switch to a total of 4 different labs: a 10-station lab, an 18-station lab, a 7-station lab, and a 2-station lab. They all have remote desktop (alt-F4) to a terminal server "just in case". And miraculously they now all have Flash (nspluginwrapper) and sound (and even better, flash WITH sound! - pulseaudio). User logons seamlessly connect with Active Directory, including a desktop link to their mounted windows document folders. It's awesome, and it smokes: very fast and clean user experience. Our clients are a hodge-podge, the very best ones being a bunch of PIII IBM Netvistas. Excellent machines, and so easy to configure for PXE it's ridiculous. I also have a bunch of old IBM P1 machines that do fine, except they are a little slow and the video craps out on them now and then. SO that's where I'm at. We have another 20 Netvistas and about 10 Dell GX110 PIIIs (also very capable machines) waiting to find a home. Thanks again for all the help you folks provided back in December and January when I was getting things up and running. If there is anyone else nearby with or thinking of starting a K12LTSP lab, drop me a line. Regards, Tom Wolfe Morley, AB (40 mins west of Calgary, 10 mins east of the Rockies) From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Apr 26 21:35:43 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:35:43 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] WYSE Thin Clients and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <4630C69C02000041000017A5@groupwise.hprd.k12.ar.us> References: <4630C69C02000041000017A5@groupwise.hprd.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1177623343.27842.434.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Bad news: Those terminals will not work. They were designed for using Windows CE. They have WinCE loaded on a flash device inside and that's about all they will do with out some hardware hacking to replace the WinCE image with a Linux image. On Thu, 2007-04-26 at 15:34 -0500, Chad Binz wrote: > Alright, I just go off the phone with teh WYSE Support and was told that > the thin clients I have do not support PXE. The Clients I have are WYSE > model number WT3125SE. I have the K12LTSP server installed, but am not > sure how to get these clients of mine to connect. > Thanks In advance, > Chad > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From daengbo at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 00:03:52 2007 From: daengbo at gmail.com (Daniel Bodanske) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:03:52 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] WYSE Thin Clients and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1177623343.27842.434.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <4630C69C02000041000017A5@groupwise.hprd.k12.ar.us> <1177623343.27842.434.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: If you are committed to using this kind of setup, look at XRDP ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/xrdp ), which will allow the WYSE clients to connect to a linux server via RDP. On 4/27/07, James P. Kinney III wrote: > Bad news: Those terminals will not work. They were designed for using > Windows CE. They have WinCE loaded on a flash device inside and that's > about all they will do with out some hardware hacking to replace the > WinCE image with a Linux image. > > On Thu, 2007-04-26 at 15:34 -0500, Chad Binz wrote: > > Alright, I just go off the phone with teh WYSE Support and was told that > > the thin clients I have do not support PXE. The Clients I have are WYSE > > model number WT3125SE. I have the K12LTSP server installed, but am not > > sure how to get these clients of mine to connect. > > Thanks In advance, > > Chad > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > James P. Kinney III > CEO & Director of Engineering > Local Net Solutions,LLC > 770-493-8244 > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Fri Apr 27 00:51:41 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:51:41 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1177635101.27842.442.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Thu, 2007-04-26 at 16:20 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I want to make fl-tt better. Is there any way to get a clients > DISPLAY > and > XAUTHORITY > environment variables if you are root? > > Is XAUTHORITY always =/home/username/.Xauthority ? I think this is correct. I have never seen any other location for .Xauthority > Is DISPLAY always =wsXXX.ltsp:0.0 where XXX is the last part of the ip? That is K12LTSP/LTSP specific. If another naming scheme is in use, this will not be the case. In the Atlanta Public Schools pilot roll-out, the thin clients are named rmXXXscYY where XXX is the room number and YY is a sequential counter within each room. This scheme is used so lpoptions can be run on login to set the default printer (which uses a similar naming scheme: rmXXXprYY). Also the 0.0 may change is more than one X screen is running. Odds of that are slim, but real. If the standard X session in on screen "F2" and a rdesktop session on "F1", the screen number may be 1.0 (I'm rusty on the counting so don't take my word on this - I _think_ rdesktop uses an X screen.) > > Thanks > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The /touch:A set the archive attribute adfter it printed printpdf /f:'c:\networkprint\print.txt' /touch:A # Delete all pdf files that have the archive attribute set del c:\networkprint\*.pdf /Q /A:A # Delete the list of files to print... del c:\networkprint\print.txt ==end== I don't have a copy of it, but I know that we eventually added in some error control - that is when a file failed to print, the script moved that to another directory, and printed a list of the files it failed to print. _____ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 5:16 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: printing to a Windows-only printer > > > Thanks for the idea. I know nothing about scripting in Windows. Could > you give me an example or maybe some good links so I can teach myself? > > -Rob > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 09:49:59AM -0400, Steven Santos wrote: > > A long time ago I used to have to deal with such a situation. The work > > around I used was to share a folder on the windows box, and use a PDF > > printer to place a PDF file of the print job on the windows > box. Then, on > > the windows box I would run a script ever 60 seconds that would > look for any > > .PDF files, print them, and then delete the PDF file. > > > > _____ > > > > Steven Santos > > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > > Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > > Newton, MA 02462 > > Phone: 617-527-0667 > > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > > > Behalf Of rowens at ptd.net > > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:01 AM > > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: printing to a Windows-only printer > > > > > > > > > > > > I've got a Panasonic printer that only has Windows drivers. > I've got the > > > drivers installed on a Windows machine, and the printer is > shared. Can I > > > print to this printer from Linux? I'm thinking that if I > connect to the > > > shared printer, then the Windows machine will provide the driver. > > > But when I > > > go to set up the SMB printer in Linux, it asks me for the make > > > and model. Is > > > there a way to get around this? > > > > > > Thanks for any advice you have. > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From b_bprimal at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 04:05:33 2007 From: b_bprimal at yahoo.com (bhaskar prasad Rimal) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Install printer on client In-Reply-To: <4630D775.9000203@paasda.org> Message-ID: <816590.69526.qm@web33915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a CANON LBP 2900 Printer on Fedora core 5 , K12LTSP , i have a problem ,how to configure printer on server as well as client Bhaskar Huck wrote: [00:90:dc:03:83:f1] XSERVER = sis PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_O_TYPE = P PRINTER_O_PORT = 9100 the first line is the mac address of the thin client.. the second line specifies which XSERVER to use... the rest is the printer info...pretty standard for all machines I've put parallel printers onto...then http://localhost:631 and add the printer as an ipp printer attached to the client..might need to scour the IP-address of the client, or the ws041 name that LTSP gives it. --Huck MIC wrote: > How can I install an HP Deskjet 640C printer on a client so that we can > print from the server and the other clients? > I'm running K12ltsp Fedora 6. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 06:33:12 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:03:12 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Install printer on client In-Reply-To: <816590.69526.qm@web33915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4630D775.9000203@paasda.org> <816590.69526.qm@web33915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <774593a20704262333s1d45dadfp1253ec954ca07e13@mail.gmail.com> On 27/04/07, bhaskar prasad Rimal wrote: > I have a CANON LBP 2900 Printer on Fedora core 5 , K12LTSP , i have a > problem ,how to configure printer on server as well as client > If you are havng problems configuring this printer on server then first get this done, Some printers just do not work under Linux. Google and linuxprinting.org are good resources to find out which work and which do not. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Apr 27 07:41:08 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:41:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: What's the differences when you run smbldap pdc and smbldap bdc (Brian Chivers) In-Reply-To: <20070426191205.GA10958@majen.net> References: <20070426160024.AE7757321F@hormel.redhat.com> <20070426191205.GA10958@majen.net> Message-ID: <4631A914.5090304@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Matt Oquist wrote: > A BDC replicates the LDAP database from the master LDAP server, so > there are LDAP configuration changes in addition to pure samba > configuration changes such as domain master = yes/no. > > --matt > > -- > Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > http://majen.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Thanks Matt, what I didn't realise is that I've almost set-up BDC's before on our existing systems just made them standalone servers. I'll have a play on a test box and see what the other differences are but I think it's just the domain master line & then need to think about nfs mounts for /homes & profiles (see my other question *grin*) Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri Apr 27 14:23:47 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:23:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46320773.4090102@scheie.homedns.org> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I want to make fl-tt better. Is there any way to get a clients > DISPLAY > and > XAUTHORITY > environment variables if you are root? > > Is XAUTHORITY always =/home/username/.Xauthority ? I think so. Years ago, I wrote a script that we use on our dozens of HP-UX boxen that sets XAUTHORITY for root by looking at /home/username/.Xauthority for whoever just su'ed to root, and it has always worked flawlessly. So, I think you'd be safe making that assumption. > Is DISPLAY always =wsXXX.ltsp:0.0 where XXX is the last part of the ip? Close, maybe close enough: Unless you do something funny in dhcpd.conf and/or the /etc/hosts file, that convention should be reliable. However, I'm not sure the ltsp domain part is reliable. If, during installation, the server's hostname is set to, say, fourthgrade.isd234.edu, the clients' DISPLAY may end up wsXXX.isd234.edu. Or it may not; I'm not certain this is a problem, but I seem to recall running into it before (and I'm not at an installation that I can verify with ATM). Even if I'm correct, you probably can use an environment variable. It would be best, however, if people would check their setups and report to the list as to whether changing the server's domain affects the clients' domain (I hope I'm wrong and this is a non-issue). The other part to note is that DISPLAY may show just a single 0 rather than a 0.0 after the colon (:). Petre From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri Apr 27 14:28:56 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:28:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463208A8.2060700@scheie.homedns.org> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I want to make fl-tt better. Is there any way to get a clients > DISPLAY > and > XAUTHORITY > environment variables if you are root? > > Is XAUTHORITY always =/home/username/.Xauthority ? I think so. Years ago, I wrote a script that we use on our dozens of HP-UX boxen that sets XAUTHORITY for root by looking at /home/username/.Xauthority for whoever just su'ed to root, and it has always worked flawlessly. So, I think you'd be safe making that assumption. (We also modified /etc/profile to record each user's $DISPLAY value to ~/.display so that root could read it and set his own DISPLAY to that same value, so that GUI apps over SSH worked properly.) > Is DISPLAY always =wsXXX.ltsp:0.0 where XXX is the last part of the ip? Close, maybe close enough: Unless you do something funny in dhcpd.conf and/or the /etc/hosts file, that convention should be reliable. However, I'm not sure the ltsp domain part is reliable. If, during installation, the server's hostname is set to, say, fourthgrade.isd234.edu, the clients' DISPLAY may end up wsXXX.isd234.edu. Or it may not; I'm not certain this is a problem, but I seem to recall running into it before (and I'm not at an installation that I can verify with ATM). Even if I'm correct, you probably can use an environment variable. It would be best, however, if people would check their setups and report to the list as to whether changing the server's domain affects the clients' domain (I hope I'm wrong and this is a non-issue). The other part to note is that DISPLAY may show just a single 0 rather than a 0.0 after the colon (:). So, what sort of improvement(s) do you have in mind? ;-) Petre From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 27 15:12:35 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:12:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop Fails after Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463212E3.8020003@mesd.k12.or.us> k12ltsp wrote: > When we did a Yum update on our LTSP servers, running K12LTSP 5, we > noticed that rdesktop no longer works on a terminal. Sometimes, we can get > to a login screen, or begin the login process, but it will eventually fail > with a "Segmentation Fault" error. > > Has anyone else seen this error with their upgrade? > > It is happening on all of our servers and isn't isolated. > > Does anyone know a possible workaround? I saw an FC6 update for rdesktop go out yesterday with this changelog: * Thu Apr 26 2007 David Zeuthen - 1.5.0-2 - Fix segfault triggered by X11 update (#236006) Looks like it's an rdesktop bug. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Apr 27 15:39:46 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:39:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NELS - FOSSED conference FAQ's Message-ID: Answers to all your questions about the conference (and if they aren't answered...email me and I'll answer them personally!) :-) Also, the Gould session descriptions are posted here: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfvj9xq4_12d36hjz The document below is also available here: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfvj9xq4_13fq52z6 NELS/FOSSED FAQ's 1. When is it? There are three conferences this year. The granddaddy of them all is at Gould Academy in Bethel Maine USA on June 19th - 22nd. The 19th is an arrival date...folks begin arriving in the late afternoon of the 19th, check into the dorms, and get ready to begin the next morning. The second one is being held July 8th - 11th at The University of New Hampshire in Durham, NH USA. Once again, the 8th is an arrival date with the actual sessions beginning the morning of the 9th. The last one will be at Gallaudet University in Washington D.C. USA on August 5-8. Arrival is on the 5th. 2. What is it? Five years ago, David Trask and Derek Dresser were approached about organizing a professional development opportunity for school technology folks who wanted to learn more about using Linux and Open Source in schools. The first two years, the conference was simply know as the "Linux conference at Gould". In 2004, MattOquist replaced Derek as the co-director of what became the Northeast Linux Symposium. NELS continued to grow steadily over the next couple years, offering hands-on sessions, fantastic keynote speakers, and a chance for folks to spend some quality time together learning, discussing, and networking. (Not to mention, the food at Gould is simply incredible) In 2006, Matt and David introduced a "Teacher Track" with sessions designed for the regular classroom teacher. The "Teacher Track" was so successful at Gould Academy that it was hastily implemented (and thus full!) at the inauguralUNH conference in July of 2006. This success has indicated that Open Source and Linux "has arrived" and as a result our new name reflects that status. The Northeast Linux Symposium is now known as the Free & Open Source Software in Education Conference (orFOSSED for short). We will still continue to offer the same great Linux sessions focusing on the "techie" side of things, but now we'll also be offering many sessions for the other half of the "team"....the classroom teachers who'll be using the technology! 3. Who are the presenters? That list is currently being finalized, but I can tell you that from years past and from this year's commitments...we have a great group of professionals ready to bring the content to life. Each year, the conference becomes more well known and this has a tendency to attract some fantastic presenters. Another great bonus is that as people attend from year to year and learn more...they become some of our best presenters in future years. One example is Deborah White. Deb is a classroom teacher who attended the "Teacher Track", returned to her school and implemented some of what she learned, and is going to share all of that along with her experiences! We look for fun, dynamic presenters who really know their stuff! Each year it just gets better and better! 4. I don't have Linux in my school...how can this benefit me? There are several ways you can benefit! If you are a classroom teacher, the "classroom teacher sessions" are essentially "platform agnostic". Much of what you'll learn will be cross-platform or web-based. Imagine having a whole suite of applications for your classroom that the kids can also install at home...regardless of what kind of computer they have! That's pretty powerful. One of our presenters this year is the man who "wrote the book" (literally...and you'll be getting a copy of it...too) on Free and Open Source Software for Schools. Come and learn. Network with other teachers who are doing the same thing you are...get some great ideas...AND getrecertification credits in the process! (Credits from USM...will require a small fee for those needing a transcript) If you are a techie or an IT person...great! Come and learn how Linux can make life a lot easier and save you money in the process. Become more marketable in the IT world by adding Linux knowledge to your arsenal. Learn how you can integrate Linux into your existing network infrastructure! Knowledge is power...come get some! 4a. My school doesn't get out until late in June...I'm not sure I can/should attend. (Gould only) The date of the Gould conference was actually set last summer. We did manage to get away from Fathers Day weekend this year. Unfortunately, we are unable to have it later in the summer due to the fact that other organizations and camps will be at Gould at that time. That being said, YOU are entitled to professional development! I have learned over the years that the folks at school will get along fine in my absence...and if anything goes wrong....it can wait until I get back. So don't let that deter you...come, relax, and learn...everyone will be better off in the end. In some cases you may wish to attend theUNH conference instead. 5. What's included in the price? Virtually everything! We want this to be a stress-free learning experience for you. We want you to "hang-out" and get to know each other and really begin those great conversations about technology in your schools. Many schools bring "teams" of people from all levels to learn together. So...we have included everything. Rooms (nice dorm rooms that rival some hotels), Meals (you will be amazed), Snacks and drinks, a wine and cheese reception, and a fantastic banquet on the second night of the conference. All that, plus the actual hands-on learning experience from an amazing group of presenters. Join us and forget the rest of the world as you immerse yourself in technology and learning! 6. What do I need to bring? Each year we get better and better at this. We have eliminated the need for installations this year, thus leading to more productive learning time. (there will be opportunities for installation for those who wish to do so...and for those who wish to configure their own hardware) Our generous sponsors will be providing hardware this year that will allow us to explore and learn without having to install anything ahead of time...it'll be all ready for you. We do recommend that you bring a laptop. As you might expect, the entire conference, including the dorm rooms, is wireless. You will have access to the Internet as well as our internal conference network. If you are a classroom teacher in the "classroom teacher sessions", bring whatever laptop you wish to use...especially if you are anMLTI teacher. As I mentioned above, the sessions will be cross-platform. In the tech sessions, you may wish to bring a machine to play with...or perhaps another laptop that you can use to "explore" with. We'll post a list of personal items you should bring a week or so before the conference. 7. How do I pay for the conference? If you are paying out of your company or school budget, then a purchase order is the most common method. If you are planning to attend, but do not have a purchase order yet...no problem. Please go ahead and register, and simply send us the purchase order or purchase order number when you have it. If you wish you can pay by check...or if you have a school/company/personal credit card and would like to pay by that method, register first and then send us an email at copperdoggy at gmail.com or dtrask at vcsvikings.org letting me know that you'd like to pay with a credit card. I will then send you a link to a secure server with instructions on how to make the transaction. The transaction is actually handled viaPayPal, but you do not need a PayPal account. Many folks have used this method in the past. For those of you who are ACTEM members (mostly Maine attendees), you can request up to $400 in professional development funds. This is a reimbursement upon completion of the conference. You would simply pay for the conference and thenACTEM will reimburse you...and they do it very quickly...most people have their reimbursement check a week later. Visit the professiona development section of the ACTEM web page http://www.actem.org/Pages/ACTEM_ProDev/index for more information. If you have any questions please call Dennis Kunces, ACTEM Professional Development Coordinator at 624-6815 or email him at dennis.kunces at maine.gov. You do need to apply for the funds ahead of time...so contact Dennis as soon as you can. Many people have used this in the past...it's a great membership benefit. If you are not anACTEM member...it's only $10 to join! Visit the ACTEM web page today at http://www.actem.org We're very flexible. If you are paying yourself and will be getting reimbursed...we can hold your check up until the date of the conference or even perhaps a few days after so that you will not be without the money very long. Feel free to contact us...we want you to be able to attend and will work with you to allow that to happen :-) 8. Will I be able to get any credits/CEU's? Yes. For the past several years we have offered recertification credits. Jerry Holt has graciously offered to handle this again this year. The credits are offered by the University of Southern Maine (for the Gould conference....UNH and Gallaudet are still pending). There is a processing fee for those who are requesting credits from USM. This is a fantastic way to get some needed credits/CEU's and to learn a lot at the same time! 9. Can I attend any session I want? Can I attend another conference? Yes and yes! The sessions are set up so that you can attend any one you want. If you are a techie who would like to attend a "Classroom Teacher Session" just to learn a little more about what's going on "out there"....by all means...feel free! If you are a classroom teacher with a bit of a geek streak in you and you'd like to attend one of the more advanced sessions....please do! Freedom. Freedom in software, freedom in learning....that's what we're all about. If you'd like to attend another one of our conferences in order to experience more sessions...you can do that too! We had several folks last year who attended both the Maine and New Hampshire conferences. If you are a veteran of the Gould Academy conference and feel you'd like to try one of the others this year....please do. :-) 10. Where can I get more information and register? We have a web site (it's actually a Moodle site) located at http://www.fossed.com You can get more info and to register. If you have any questions along the way...don't hesitate to ask! :-) Hope to see you this summer! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From pnelson.k12 at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 15:42:55 2007 From: pnelson.k12 at gmail.com (Paul Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:42:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] software for making animated GIF images In-Reply-To: <4630F1A9.4000307@paasda.org> References: <508f42dc0704261113t77ebf130hbfbc21ece08ebc77@mail.gmail.com> <4630F1A9.4000307@paasda.org> Message-ID: <508f42dc0704270842o4ad8b212o8ab642a76f823817@mail.gmail.com> On 4/26/07, Huck wrote: > nice Gimp tutorial site Paul! > You've done a fine job of breaking down all of the complexities that > keep people like me away from messing with graphics creation and > manipulation! Kudos! > > --Huck Just to be clear, I didn't create the tutorial, it's Grokking the Gimp: http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/ Even though it's a few versions older, it's still a great resource. ;-) Paul From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Apr 27 16:11:49 2007 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:11:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried smbldap installer with Centos 5 ?? In-Reply-To: <46304F50.3060309@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <462F5170.8090709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <463220C5.5000002@htt-consult.com> Brian Chivers wrote: > Thanks for the pointers guys. > > What I'll do is have a look though the packages that the installer > script uses for CentOS 4.4 and then try to find the relevent packages > either via one of the 7 CD's or Yum etc. > > When I'm done I'll let you guys know so people don't have to reinvent > the wheel :-) It would be nice if you are able to actually change the script and get it out. I have already built my Centos 5 box ready to install. Right now I am fighting on another Centos 5 box that is the DNS server. It turns out that RedHat 'altered' how BIND is installed with Enterprise 5, and on Bugzilla, they are saying that what they did is ok and asking for the particular bug report to be closed. I think I have enough figured out so that now I can just get the chrooted files where I want them and then set up the proper sym lins to /etc. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=234508 It is interesting to see how the Centos community is finding things that RedHat will have to fix before their customers hit them.... > > Brian > > John Lucas wrote: >> If I were deploying on a production system, I would pre-install the >> needed packages from the most suitable yum repositories (i.e. dag's >> "el5" if missing from base and extras etc.) and then run the >> smbldap-installer script *after* installing those packages in order >> to ensure more straightforward updates in future. The right place to >> fix this is to update the scripts, but I am not a perl programmer. >> >> I think I'll peruse my yum log and make a list ... >> >> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 13:47, Tom Astle wrote: >>> These same issues cause the CentOS 4.4 not to work too. >>> >>> John Lucas wrote: >>>> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 09:02, Brian Chivers wrote: >>>>> I'm about to start installing several new servers ready for the >>>>> summer >>>>> swap and wondered if anyone had tried the smbldap installer script >>>>> with >>>>> Centos 5 and if so would share any "gotchas" :-) >>>> Your query prompted me to try it out. I ran smbldap-installer >>>> (v3.1) on a >>>> CentOS-5 virtual machine (VMware Server v1.0.2) and selected >>>> "centos44" >>>> as the installation target host. I was able to get SMB-LDAP installed, >>>> configured and running *but* the installation script does not work >>>> out of >>>> the box. I ran into the following problems (and workarounds): >>>> >>>> 1. Vanilla CentOS-5 does not define the "dag" repository. >>>> Fix: That is Dag Wieers repository: http://dag.wieers.com/ >>>> >>>> 2. Repository has been renamed "rpmforge" >>>> Fix: In /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmforge.repo change [rpmforge] to [dag] >>>> >>>> 3. Still can't get several Perl modules due to version mismatches >>>> Fix: use yum to install packages without reference to version >>>> numbers >>>> >>>> 4. The smbldap-tools didn't get installed. Manual installation >>>> collides >>>> with perl-ldap module. >>>> Fix: remove perl-ldap modle with yum. Use yum to get right >>>> perl-ldap and >>>> then install smbldap-tools. >>>> >>>> The installer script used a hodge-podge of packages from the "dag" >>>> repository (several old Fedora packages for instance). Dag seems to >>>> have >>>> a suitable "el5" branch that takes care of that, but the scripts >>>> need to >>>> be updated. >>>> >>>> As clumsy as this exercise was, it is far simpler than rolling your >>>> own >>>> and it seems to work if you can get to the end of the configuration >>>> step. >>>> Those more familiar with "smbldap-installer" may have a more >>>> elegant way >>>> to fix it. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Apr 27 16:25:16 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:25:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone tried smbldap installer with Centos 5 ?? In-Reply-To: <463220C5.5000002@htt-consult.com> References: <46304F50.3060309@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <463220C5.5000002@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <2794.192.168.200.34.1177691116.squirrel@webport> I've got a nice empty test box setup on the bench with all the Centos disk ready to have a go one Monday. I'm starting with a basic i386 install before I move to the actual servers that I'm going to use the x86_64 version on I'll let you know how I get on. Brian > Brian Chivers wrote: >> Thanks for the pointers guys. >> >> What I'll do is have a look though the packages that the installer >> script uses for CentOS 4.4 and then try to find the relevent packages >> either via one of the 7 CD's or Yum etc. >> >> When I'm done I'll let you guys know so people don't have to reinvent >> the wheel :-) > It would be nice if you are able to actually change the script and get > it out. > > I have already built my Centos 5 box ready to install. Right now I am > fighting on another Centos 5 box that is the DNS server. It turns out > that RedHat 'altered' how BIND is installed with Enterprise 5, and on > Bugzilla, they are saying that what they did is ok and asking for the > particular bug report to be closed. > > I think I have enough figured out so that now I can just get the > chrooted files where I want them and then set up the proper sym lins to > /etc. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=234508 > > It is interesting to see how the Centos community is finding things that > RedHat will have to fix before their customers hit them.... > > >> >> Brian >> >> John Lucas wrote: >>> If I were deploying on a production system, I would pre-install the >>> needed packages from the most suitable yum repositories (i.e. dag's >>> "el5" if missing from base and extras etc.) and then run the >>> smbldap-installer script *after* installing those packages in order >>> to ensure more straightforward updates in future. The right place to >>> fix this is to update the scripts, but I am not a perl programmer. >>> >>> I think I'll peruse my yum log and make a list ... >>> >>> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 13:47, Tom Astle wrote: >>>> These same issues cause the CentOS 4.4 not to work too. >>>> >>>> John Lucas wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday 25 April 2007 09:02, Brian Chivers wrote: >>>>>> I'm about to start installing several new servers ready for the >>>>>> summer >>>>>> swap and wondered if anyone had tried the smbldap installer script >>>>>> with >>>>>> Centos 5 and if so would share any "gotchas" :-) >>>>> Your query prompted me to try it out. I ran smbldap-installer >>>>> (v3.1) on a >>>>> CentOS-5 virtual machine (VMware Server v1.0.2) and selected >>>>> "centos44" >>>>> as the installation target host. I was able to get SMB-LDAP >>>>> installed, >>>>> configured and running *but* the installation script does not work >>>>> out of >>>>> the box. I ran into the following problems (and workarounds): >>>>> >>>>> 1. Vanilla CentOS-5 does not define the "dag" repository. >>>>> Fix: That is Dag Wieers repository: http://dag.wieers.com/ >>>>> >>>>> 2. Repository has been renamed "rpmforge" >>>>> Fix: In /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmforge.repo change [rpmforge] to [dag] >>>>> >>>>> 3. Still can't get several Perl modules due to version mismatches >>>>> Fix: use yum to install packages without reference to version >>>>> numbers >>>>> >>>>> 4. The smbldap-tools didn't get installed. Manual installation >>>>> collides >>>>> with perl-ldap module. >>>>> Fix: remove perl-ldap modle with yum. Use yum to get right >>>>> perl-ldap and >>>>> then install smbldap-tools. >>>>> >>>>> The installer script used a hodge-podge of packages from the "dag" >>>>> repository (several old Fedora packages for instance). Dag seems to >>>>> have >>>>> a suitable "el5" branch that takes care of that, but the scripts >>>>> need to >>>>> be updated. >>>>> >>>>> As clumsy as this exercise was, it is far simpler than rolling your >>>>> own >>>>> and it seems to work if you can get to the end of the configuration >>>>> step. >>>>> Those more familiar with "smbldap-installer" may have a more >>>>> elegant way >>>>> to fix it. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Fri Apr 27 17:19:13 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:19:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox crashes Message-ID: <46323091.4010201@peopleplaces.org> This errors do not occur on my thick FC5/FC6 installation. I have a reproducible crash in Firefox.i386 with flash9 on my x86_64 K12LTSP5 box. I've run it through gdb using the command "/usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.4/run-mozilla.sh --debug ./firefox-bin" and it returned the following text upon error: The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. (Details: serial 309724 error_code 11 request_code 53 minor_code 0) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) I then ran the command with "/usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.4/run-mozilla.sh --debug ./firefox-bin --sync", with no changes, and then tried 'set args --sync' in gdb prior to running it, but either the arguments aren't taking or I'm doing something incorrectly. The only change is in the (Details line, where the second time it printed "(Details: serial 539995 error_code 11 request_code 53 minor_code 0)". This box has 8GB RAM. At the time of the crash, I have 2.5GB of RAM free on the box. 0 swapped of course. I don't believe the 'insufficient resources' claim ;) Googling this message gives me the following semi-useless info: * "I got an error msg like that once, the "This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)...' and I found out the problem was with the default font I had selected to use on xchat. My user had no reading access to it, so after I fixed that it magically worked fine, as usual Very Happy" * http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2007-03/thread.html#70 Any suggestions for where to go from here? Cheers, Michael Blinn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: icon_biggrin.gif Type: image/gif Size: 172 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robark at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 17:32:10 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:32:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <1177635101.27842.442.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1177635101.27842.442.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: On 4/26/07, James P. Kinney III wrote: > On Thu, 2007-04-26 at 16:20 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > I want to make fl-tt better. Is there any way to get a clients > > DISPLAY > > and > > XAUTHORITY > > environment variables if you are root? > > > > Is XAUTHORITY always =/home/username/.Xauthority ? > > I think this is correct. I have never seen any other location > for .Xauthority > > Is DISPLAY always =wsXXX.ltsp:0.0 where XXX is the last part of the ip? > > That is K12LTSP/LTSP specific. If another naming scheme is in use, this > will not be the case. In the Atlanta Public Schools pilot roll-out, the > thin clients are named rmXXXscYY where XXX is the room number and YY is > a sequential counter within each room. This scheme is used so lpoptions > can be run on login to set the default printer (which uses a similar > naming scheme: rmXXXprYY). Question: Is the DISPLAY env variable for a client always of the form hostname:0.0 ? -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 17:38:35 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:38:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <463208A8.2060700@scheie.homedns.org> References: <463208A8.2060700@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: On 4/27/07, Peter Scheie wrote: > So, what sort of improvement(s) do you have in mind? ;-) > The major new feature is going to be the thumbnail snapshot window of each client. But I am also trying to clean up my code to make it simpler/efficient more modular and easier to understand and modify. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 27 17:39:20 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:39:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox crashes In-Reply-To: <46323091.4010201@peopleplaces.org> References: <46323091.4010201@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <46323548.6050702@mesd.k12.or.us> Michael Blinn wrote: > This box has 8GB RAM. At the time of the crash, I have 2.5GB of RAM free > on the box. 0 swapped of course. I don't believe the 'insufficient > resources' claim ;) Probably referring to X resources, i.e. video RAM on the X server? What's the thin client look like? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Fri Apr 27 17:59:39 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:59:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox crashes In-Reply-To: <46323548.6050702@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <46323091.4010201@peopleplaces.org> <46323548.6050702@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <46323A0B.2010405@peopleplaces.org> I'm still testing a lot so I only have 3 clients, one is a nVidia GeForce3 TI200 and the other two are i810s; this error occurs on the i810s for-sure, and I need more debugging time to tell if the sudden-crash bug I see on the nVidia box is the same. The server itself has an ES1000 but I haven't logged in there in months. I did find these links: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310917 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=210931 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348463 I find it weird that these only occur on my thin clients if it is an error in GDK. -Michael Dan Young wrote: > Michael Blinn wrote: > >> This box has 8GB RAM. At the time of the crash, I have 2.5GB of RAM free >> on the box. 0 swapped of course. I don't believe the 'insufficient >> resources' claim ;) >> > > Probably referring to X resources, i.e. video RAM on the X server? > > What's the thin client look like? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2006 10:08:22 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Friggin' Firefox and K12LSP v5 On Tue, 5 Sep 2006, David Trask wrote: I nuked all of my extensions (I had quite a few) and noticed that firefox started up twice as fast. I wonder if the long-list of language extensions that are now included by default causes performance problems? try logging in as root and... cd /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.6/ mkdir save mv extensions/* save and see if the start time is better. To put the language extensions back: cd /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.6/ mv save/* extensions/ -Eric ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan Young To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:39:20 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Firefox crashes Michael Blinn wrote: > This box has 8GB RAM. At the time of the crash, I have 2.5GB of RAM free > on the box. 0 swapped of course. I don't believe the 'insufficient > resources' claim ;) Probably referring to X resources, i.e. video RAM on the X server? What's the thin client look like? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 27 18:13:06 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:13:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox crashes In-Reply-To: <46323A0B.2010405@peopleplaces.org> References: <46323091.4010201@peopleplaces.org> <46323548.6050702@mesd.k12.or.us> <46323A0B.2010405@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <46323D32.8030005@mesd.k12.or.us> Michael Blinn wrote: > I'm still testing a lot so I only have 3 clients, one is a nVidia > GeForce3 TI200 and the other two are i810s; this error occurs on the > i810s for-sure, and I need more debugging time to tell if the > sudden-crash bug I see on the nVidia box is the same. The server itself > has an ES1000 but I haven't logged in there in months. http://www.google.com/search?q=%27BadAlloc+%28insufficient+resources+for+operation%29%27 First hit refers to i810 VRAM issues: http://blog.sontek.net/archive/2007/04/04/Error-BadAlloc-insufficient-resources-for-operation.aspx Can you bump up the VRAM with the X_VIDEORAM parameter in your lts.conf? http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf#X_VIDEORAM -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 27 19:26:06 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:26:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <46320773.4090102@scheie.homedns.org> References: <46320773.4090102@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <20070427192336.M26308@winonacotter.org> > > Is DISPLAY always =wsXXX.ltsp:0.0 where XXX is the last part of the ip? > > Close, maybe close enough: Unless you do something funny in dhcpd.conf and/or > the /etc/hosts file, that convention should be reliable. However, I'm not > sure the ltsp domain part is reliable. If, during installation, the server's > hostname is set to, say, fourthgrade.isd234.edu, the clients' DISPLAY may end > up wsXXX.isd234.edu. Or it may not; I'm not certain this is a problem, but I > seem to recall running into it before (and I'm not at an installation that I > can verify with ATM). Even if I'm correct, you probably can use an > environment variable. It would be best, however, if people would check their > setups and report to the list as to whether changing the server's domain > affects the clients' domain (I hope I'm wrong and this is a non-issue). My server is named ltsp.winonacotter.org and the /etc/hosts named all workstations as wsXXX.ltsp. So I assume it automatically uses whatever the machine name is that is assigned in setup and not the domain. My guess is that if I called this supernova.winonacotter.org my /etc/hosts would have wsXXX.supernova. But I cannot verify this either as I have always named the machine ltsp in my setups. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From twolfe at sawback.com Fri Apr 27 19:46:06 2007 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: pam_mount asks for password twice In-Reply-To: <20070418001235.GA7231@clubber.owens.net> References: <20070418001235.GA7231@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: Hi Rob, I had this problem before, has to do with pam_mount being required instead of optional in your authentication module(s). If you haven't solved the problem yet let me know and I'll pull up my pam.d files for a better explanation. Regards, Tom Wolfe On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Rob Owens wrote: > I just tried pam_mount on Ubuntu 6.06 for the first time and it works > great. The only complaint I have is that on gdm login, it asks for the > user's password twice. Is this normal behavior, or is there a way > around it? > > Thanks > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri Apr 27 19:47:06 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:47:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: <1177635101.27842.442.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4632533A.4060400@scheie.homedns.org> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 4/26/07, James P. Kinney III wrote: >> On Thu, 2007-04-26 at 16:20 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> > I want to make fl-tt better. Is there any way to get a clients >> > DISPLAY >> > and >> > XAUTHORITY >> > environment variables if you are root? >> > >> > Is XAUTHORITY always =/home/username/.Xauthority ? >> >> I think this is correct. I have never seen any other location >> for .Xauthority >> > Is DISPLAY always =wsXXX.ltsp:0.0 where XXX is the last part of the >> ip? >> >> That is K12LTSP/LTSP specific. If another naming scheme is in use, this >> will not be the case. In the Atlanta Public Schools pilot roll-out, the >> thin clients are named rmXXXscYY where XXX is the room number and YY is >> a sequential counter within each room. This scheme is used so lpoptions >> can be run on login to set the default printer (which uses a similar >> naming scheme: rmXXXprYY). > > Question: Is the DISPLAY env variable for a client always of the form > hostname:0.0 ? > On my K12LTSP version 6 box it is. Not sure about ver. 5 although I can check it later tonight. Petre From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 27 20:09:27 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:09:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: <463208A8.2060700@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <20070427200239.M20972@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:38:35 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote > On 4/27/07, Peter Scheie wrote: > > So, what sort of improvement(s) do you have in mind? ;-) > > > > The major new feature is going to be the thumbnail snapshot window of > each client. But I am also trying to clean up my code to make it > simpler/efficient more modular and easier to understand and modify. Is there a way we can have the list of users refresh automatically every 5 or 10 seconds? I'll be working with users and notice that users still in the list are showing even after they logged off, so I have to manually refresh the list every so often. Is this something hard to do, or does it already do so but not as often as I would like? If it already does it can I change the refresh interval manually? Any help would be great. Thanks for your work on this. Funny side note here. I have used FL_TeacherTool in the past and thought the speed was fairly good, but my last server it was sssssllllooooowwwww! I wondered what had changed and was about to send an email. Turns out my IP is a 10.X.X.X range so when the server installed it created 65536 hosts in the hosts file. So whenever I would perform an operation (open the program or refresh the user list) it would sit forever. I finally figured that out and narrowed my hosts file to the range 500 IP's give out by the dhcp server and viola, it is much faster now. Let that be a lesson to anyone else out there doing something stupid like I was :-) Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 20:15:40 2007 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:15:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Client to use unique network printer Message-ID: <8b88203f0704271315le638f1cx99f643306485237e@mail.gmail.com> I can find out how to assign a locally attached printer to a client in the lts.conf file but not how to have one or two clients use another separate networked printer... It is a jetdirect hp with its own ip that is not added to the cups printer server. I don't want it to be seen by the other clients in another classroom. Is there any way to do this? Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Well it is saying there is already a TFTP server in the network. "Lights On!", My K12LTSP Server?, is what I'm thinking. So I've disconnected it and we are about to see it that is it. Should it even be showing up on the rest of the network? I thought it was just for the clients? Thoughts? Levi _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 27 20:45:58 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:45:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TFTP issue In-Reply-To: References: <4630D775.9000203@paasda.org><816590.69526.qm@web33915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <774593a20704262333s1d45dadfp1253ec954ca07e13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46326106.8080105@futuresource.com> Kemp, Levi wrote: > I am having a weird issue with TFTP. I want to first ask, even though > I'm pretty sure, if TFTP is needed for LTSP. Like I said I'm pretty sure > it is. My boss and I have been working on setting up a Linux box with an > SMTP Virus Scanner (replacing Symantec) in front of our Exchange server > (I'll get that box too someday :-) ) and needed to make changes to our > firewall. Well our firewall apparently uses TFTP to make changes and so > he needed to install a TFTP Server program on his pc to do so(apparently > he doesn't make changes often). Well it is saying there is already a > TFTP server in the network. "Lights On!", My K12LTSP Server?, is what > I'm thinking. So I've disconnected it and we are about to see it that is > it. Should it even be showing up on the rest of the network? I thought > it was just for the clients? Thoughts? K12ltsp does have a tftp server and it is needed to boot clients, but it doesn't send anything unless specifically asked. There should be no problem having any number of tftp servers on the same network. DHCP is the only service with that problem because it has to respond to broadcasts. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Fri Apr 27 21:49:48 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:49:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TFTP issue References: <4630D775.9000203@paasda.org><816590.69526.qm@web33915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <774593a20704262333s1d45dadfp1253ec954ca07e13@mail.gmail.com> <46326106.8080105@futuresource.com> Message-ID: >Kemp, Levi wrote: >> I am having a weird issue with TFTP. I want to first ask, even though >> I'm pretty sure, if TFTP is needed for LTSP. Like I said I'm pretty sure >> it is. My boss and I have been working on setting up a Linux box with an >> SMTP Virus Scanner (replacing Symantec) in front of our Exchange server >> (I'll get that box too someday :-) ) and needed to make changes to our >> firewall. Well our firewall apparently uses TFTP to make changes and so >> he needed to install a TFTP Server program on his pc to do so(apparently >> he doesn't make changes often). Well it is saying there is already a >> TFTP server in the network. "Lights On!", My K12LTSP Server?, is what >> I'm thinking. So I've disconnected it and we are about to see it that is >> it. Should it even be showing up on the rest of the network? I thought >> it was just for the clients? Thoughts? > >K12ltsp does have a tftp server and it is needed to boot clients, but it >doesn't send anything unless specifically asked. There should be no >problem having any number of tftp servers on the same network. DHCP is >the only service with that problem because it has to respond to broadcasts. > >-- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com Well, I'll just have to leave it off till we finish the other project then. For some reason the TFTP server my boss is using won't work unless LTSP is off the network. He only needs it to reset the password on the firewall, which for some reason we don't have. I didn't think it should matter since you can more than one LTSP set up. Levi _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4688 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sat Apr 28 01:50:11 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:50:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux & Lefse: The North Central Linux Symposium, June 14 & 15 in Minneapolis Message-ID: <4632A853.80000@scheie.homedns.org> All- Mark your calendar if you're in the midwest: We'll be holding our second annual North Central Linux Symposium in Minneapolis on June 14 & 15. Our slogan this year is 'More Computers, More Software, Less Money'. As in the past, the focus is on K12LTSP on the first day and on LTSP in general on the second. We'll be inviting all the schools and colleges in Minnesota to come. We be demonstrating how, for the cost of one computer per classroom, schools can put ten computers in each classroom, giving students computer access for a few hours every day rather than just one hour per week. Only with Linux and LTSP is this possible and manageable. On the second day, we'll be hearing about LTSP 5 and the future. LTSP founder Jim McQuillan will be there, as will developers Scott Balneaves and Gideon Romm. This year the conference is being graciously hosted by Hennepin Technical College, a community college on the north side of town. We'll be in a much nicer auditorium, and the college is providing much of the hardware we'll be showing off. This is a grassroots operation, made up of many people from this list. It's a great time to get together with your LTSP peers, and to help spread the word. Visit www.nclinux.net for details. Hope to see you there. Petre Scheie From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Apr 28 16:50:38 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:50:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linuxfest Northwest In-Reply-To: <1176051061.3832.8.camel@dbserver> References: <1176051061.3832.8.camel@dbserver> Message-ID: <46337B5E.4090205@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Vince Callaway wrote: > Is anyone on this list going to be at this event? > > http://linuxfestnorthwest.org > For you K12LTSP's who are at LFNW who want to meet up.... Today I'm planning to go to the Fedora presentation at 11:00, the OpenID presentation at 1:30, and the BackupPC presentation at 3:00. Tomorrow I'm planning to go to the Google presentation at 10:00 & OLPC presentation at 11:00. I'm wearing a bright blue hawaiian shirt, I stick out like a sore thumb here ;-) -Eric From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Apr 30 08:52:10 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:52:10 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Can you mix LDAP database backends Message-ID: <4635AE3A.50302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> From all the other questions I've asked I guess you all know that I'm in the process of updating / replacing several of our servers. During my "reading" about this it would appear that most LDAP systems now use bdb as the database backend where as our existing systems use ldbm. When I setup the new LDAP server can I simply do a slapcat from the current system then slapadd it to the new system ? Also we have several slave ldap servers setup, these currently use ldbm so can you replicate a bdb master to ldbm slaves ?? Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Apr 30 14:02:29 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:02:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Headed to UES and UDS....and I'll be blogging! Message-ID: Hi all! Matt Oquist and I are both headed to the Ubuntu Education Summit and the Ubuntu Developers Summit in Seville, Spain. We leave tomorrow and I wanted to invite you folks to share in the journey. I will be blogging our "adventure" along the way. You can read all about it (and see the pics) at: http://dtrask.wordpress.com or http://copper-dog.net :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Apr 30 20:14:47 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:14:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Web based appliance Message-ID: <20070430131447.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.46e488cd60.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Does anyone know of an open source solution that will provide a web front end to all applications regardless of server OS. I was thinking along the lines of this NTAVO appliance by Devon IT. http://www.devonit.com/gateway/gateway_overview.php Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 rmcdaniel at indata.us From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Apr 30 20:42:10 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:42:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: OT - Web based appliance Message-ID: <20070430134209.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.42b3675b74.wbe@email.secureserver.net> It looks like Sun's Global Desktop (tarantella) has now become opensource:) Is anyone using this??? Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: OT - Web based appliance > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > Date: Mon, April 30, 2007 3:14 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Does anyone know of an open source solution that will provide a web > front end to all applications regardless of server OS. I was thinking > along the lines of this NTAVO appliance by Devon IT. > > http://www.devonit.com/gateway/gateway_overview.php > > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > rmcdaniel at indata.us From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 30 21:23:44 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:23:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Web based appliance In-Reply-To: <20070430131447.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.46e488cd60.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070430131447.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.46e488cd60.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <46365E60.3030707@futuresource.com> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Does anyone know of an open source solution that will provide a web > front end to all applications regardless of server OS. I was thinking > along the lines of this NTAVO appliance by Devon IT. > > http://www.devonit.com/gateway/gateway_overview.php Does it have to be a web connection? Freenx/NX is pretty good at running anything remotely. You can connect via nx to a session running rdesktop to a windows server too. For strictly web, open source, and cross platform you could use vnc's applet mode but it won't perform as well as freenx. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at hvja.org Mon Apr 30 21:27:14 2007 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:27:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Web based appliance In-Reply-To: <46365E60.3030707@futuresource.com> References: <20070430131447.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.46e488cd60.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <46365E60.3030707@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <46365F32.7020909@hvja.org> I'll toot the FreeNX horn as well...it is amazingly fast over the network and internet both in comparison with VNC... --Huck Les Mikesell wrote: > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >> Does anyone know of an open source solution that will provide a web >> front end to all applications regardless of server OS. I was thinking >> along the lines of this NTAVO appliance by Devon IT. >> >> http://www.devonit.com/gateway/gateway_overview.php > > Does it have to be a web connection? Freenx/NX is pretty good at > running anything remotely. You can connect via nx to a session > running rdesktop to a windows server too. For strictly web, open > source, and cross platform you could use vnc's applet mode but it > won't perform as well as freenx. > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Apr 30 21:32:26 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:32:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Web based appliance Message-ID: <20070430143225.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c471516482.wbe@email.secureserver.net> This actually presents all of the applications running on any server, as a web based application. I would like to put a thin client on my teacher's desk but I have been unable to do that due to our Student Management System, STI. With something like this I can serve it up as a web based application and access it with just a web browser. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT - Web based appliance > From: Les Mikesell > Date: Mon, April 30, 2007 4:23 pm > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > Does anyone know of an open source solution that will provide a web > > front end to all applications regardless of server OS. I was thinking > > along the lines of this NTAVO appliance by Devon IT. > > > > http://www.devonit.com/gateway/gateway_overview.php > > Does it have to be a web connection? Freenx/NX is pretty good at > running anything remotely. You can connect via nx to a session running > rdesktop to a windows server too. For strictly web, open source, and > cross platform you could use vnc's applet mode but it won't perform as > well as freenx. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at hvja.org Mon Apr 30 21:37:24 2007 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:37:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Web based appliance In-Reply-To: <20070430143225.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c471516482.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070430143225.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c471516482.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <46366194.1040301@hvja.org> I'm kind of confused... is STI a Web 2.0 application?(browser should be enough?) or something running on a windows server?(rdp should do the trick?) or just a web-based interface?(browser should be enough again?) a stand alone .exe file?(wine maybe? on the ltsp server) ? --Huck rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > This actually presents all of the applications running on any server, as > a web based application. I would like to put a thin client on my > teacher's desk but I have been unable to do that due to our Student > Management System, STI. With something like this I can serve it up as > a web based application and access it with just a web browser. > > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT - Web based appliance >> From: Les Mikesell >> Date: Mon, April 30, 2007 4:23 pm >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >> >> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know of an open source solution that will provide a web >>> front end to all applications regardless of server OS. I was thinking >>> along the lines of this NTAVO appliance by Devon IT. >>> >>> http://www.devonit.com/gateway/gateway_overview.php >>> >> Does it have to be a web connection? Freenx/NX is pretty good at >> running anything remotely. You can connect via nx to a session running >> rdesktop to a windows server too. For strictly web, open source, and >> cross platform you could use vnc's applet mode but it won't perform as >> well as freenx. >> >> -- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Apr 30 22:17:04 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:17:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Web based appliance In-Reply-To: <20070430131447.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.46e488cd60.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070430131447.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.46e488cd60.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1177971424.3964.71.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 13:14 -0700, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Does anyone know of an open source solution that will provide a web > front end to all applications regardless of server OS. I was thinking > along the lines of this NTAVO appliance by Devon IT. > > http://www.devonit.com/gateway/gateway_overview.php > I had to go digging to see what this is supposed to do. Application Publishing is a Citrix thing. Basically any application eventually just generates a stream of code to be turned into pixel on a screen. What this thing does is capture that stream and turn it into an applet of sorts that can be viewed using a browser with the right plugins or a standalone viewer. The nice thing is this process only serves the application window and not the full desktop. But they are not open source and rather expensive. The most cost-efficient way to make this happen for school budgets is to use M$ terminal server on the machine that runs the mandatory window$ application and run tsclient or rdesktop for the client side. Affordable and stable are nice combinations. Otherwise, use NX. -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are on the LAN or performance isn't a big issue you should be able to do this with the applet version of vnc. First you would set up a login on the server to act the way you want (probably one of the lightweight window mangers and a kiosk-like menu). Then you set up a web page that downloads the applet and connects back. I think the standalone version of vncserver will do this - and you could use it for testing. For actual use you'd probably want the xinetd-started vnc sessions so you'd need a separate web page to download the applet. To test the concept, use something like: vncserver :16 from a test account, give it a password, then connect from a browser using http://server_name:5816 I think the default window manager will be twm, so don't expect much at this point - just type the name of some application you want to try to see if the performance is reasonable. If you think it could work, then we can figure out a way to get the applet downloaded from a web page without needing vncserver. Then it is a just a matter of setting up a login to work the way you want - or perhaps giving them the default login that you would get with a standalone vnc connection. Don't forget to run vncserver -kill :16 from the same account after you are done testing. Vncserver has an assortment of options you might want to test that will affect the screen size and depth, but for real use you'll want to convert them over to the vnc invocations from xinetd so you get fresh logins for each connection. The reason for testing with vncserver is that it has the embedded applet downloader listening on port 5800 + display number so you can use it without a vnc viewer on the client. If it works, there are other ways you can download that applet. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com