From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 01:42:30 2007 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] AD authentification, what is the best way? In-Reply-To: <20070730160029.F03EB73376@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <943800.58820.qm@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> > ... > Make sure that when you setup your home directory > shares you share out each user's folder and not > just a top level folder. > Samba cannot mount a folder inside the share, it > can only mount the share itself. > ... That's exactly why the Samba [homes] share behaves specially. It allows you to type the [homes] information only once, yet create shares for every user (potentially hundreds). If you find yourself typing ...and typing ...and typing, back up and try to be more clever about leveraging the Samba [homes] capability. ([homes] can be used for _any_ one set of shares, USUALLY home directories [hence the name] but not necessarily.) thanks! -Chuck Kollars P.S. *All* Microsoft Windows products could mount only the share itself not a folder inside the share until recently. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From cblum at newburyport.k12.ma.us Wed Aug 1 13:28:07 2007 From: cblum at newburyport.k12.ma.us (Chandler Blum) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:28:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AD authentification, what is the best way? In-Reply-To: <943800.58820.qm@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> References: <943800.58820.qm@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1185974887.3210.4.camel@zone.local> If the shares are on a Windows 2003 machine then what? We could migrate the home directories from the windows box to a linux box but I think my boss would slap me if I suggested that again :p On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 18:42 -0700, Chuck Kollars wrote: > > ... > > Make sure that when you setup your home directory > > shares you share out each user's folder and not > > just a top level folder. > > Samba cannot mount a folder inside the share, it > > can only mount the share itself. > > ... > > That's exactly why the Samba [homes] share behaves > specially. It allows you to type the [homes] > information only once, yet create shares for every > user (potentially hundreds). If you find yourself > typing ...and typing ...and typing, back up and try to > be more clever about leveraging the Samba [homes] > capability. > > ([homes] can be used for _any_ one set of shares, > USUALLY home directories [hence the name] but not > necessarily.) > > thanks! > -Chuck Kollars > > P.S. *All* Microsoft Windows products could mount only > the share itself not a folder inside the share until > recently. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 1 14:45:58 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:45:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH Jailing? Disable viewing of dot files/folders with SCP clients? Message-ID: <20070801143654.M49633@winonacotter.org> I would like to disable access from outside to our server via ftp. I would like to offer access in the future via SCP over SSH. Now with ftp I could say go into the vsftp.conf and set an option to jail users to their home directory, then they could browse the entire server. But when I enable the use of ssh and connect with a client such as WinSCP (Windows) or Gftp (Linux) or Fugu (OSX) I can browse the entire server. So I googled ssh jail /home and all solutions I find recommend creating some sort of /jail directory and relocating /home inside it such as /jail/home/username or /home/jail/home/username. I don't really like the sound of that and don't fully understand what that could break in terms of LTSP and other apps. Does anyone know of a way to keep users from traversing out of /home with modification of sshd.conf or at least with an add-on that doesn't require messing with the standard layout of /home? Second minor problem is how to eliminate display of dot files when viewing with and SCP client. I would like to disable display of dot files on the server side to eliminate the need of client modifications. Any suggestions there would be helpful as well (I don't want users to delete or even know that the dot files or directories even exist). I am okay with users being able to change a setting on their client to purposely display the dot files/folders, but I would like it to default to not displaying. I figure if they know enough to make a change to display the files, they must already know they exist, and would then likely understand their role/importance. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From nils at breun.nl Wed Aug 1 15:10:02 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:10:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH Jailing? Disable viewing of dot files/folders with SCP clients? In-Reply-To: <20070801143654.M49633@winonacotter.org> References: <20070801143654.M49633@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I would like to disable access from outside to our server via ftp. > I would like to > offer access in the future via SCP over SSH. Now with ftp I could > say go into the > vsftp.conf and set an option to jail users to their home directory, > then they could > browse the entire server. But when I enable the use of ssh and > connect with a client > such as WinSCP (Windows) or Gftp (Linux) or Fugu (OSX) I can browse > the entire server. > So I googled ssh jail /home and all solutions I find recommend > creating some sort of > /jail directory and relocating /home inside it such as /jail/home/ > username or > /home/jail/home/username. I don't really like the sound of that > and don't fully > understand what that could break in terms of LTSP and other apps. > > Does anyone know of a way to keep users from traversing out of / > home with modification > of sshd.conf or at least with an add-on that doesn't require > messing with the standard > layout of /home? I don't know if you want to allow shell access at all, but you might want to install scponly and set that as your user's shell. scponlyc is a chrooted scponly binary which might be suitable for your needs. If you enable the rpmforge yum repository you can 'yum install scponly'. (If you're compiling from source you'll want to use the -- enable-chrooted-binary flag when configuring.) > Second minor problem is how to eliminate display of dot files when > viewing with and SCP > client. I would like to disable display of dot files on the server > side to eliminate > the need of client modifications. Any suggestions there would be > helpful as well (I > don't want users to delete or even know that the dot files or > directories even exist). > I am okay with users being able to change a setting on their client > to purposely display > the dot files/folders, but I would like it to default to not > displaying. I figure if > they know enough to make a change to display the files, they must > already know they > exist, and would then likely understand their role/importance. I think it depends on the SCP client whether dot files are shown or not. I don't think you can change anything on the server to influence this. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 1 15:16:47 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:16:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH Jailing? Disable viewing of dot files/folders with SCP clients? In-Reply-To: References: <20070801143654.M49633@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20070801151542.M15940@winonacotter.org> > I don't know if you want to allow shell access at all, but you might > want to install scponly and set that as your user's shell. scponlyc > is a chrooted scponly binary which might be suitable for your needs. > If you enable the rpmforge yum repository you can 'yum install > scponly'. (If you're compiling from source you'll want to use the -- > enable-chrooted-binary flag when configuring.) I will still want a shell available but only for a handful of users. I just installed scponly and will check it out, thanks for the suggestion. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 1 18:09:32 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:09:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] squirrelmail Message-ID: <46B0CC5C.7020304@paasda.org> is it secure enough to be used as a mail portal for staff wishing to access their e-mail from home? I'm inherently distrustful of allowing access to any internal servers from off-campus. --Huck From cblum at newburyport.k12.ma.us Wed Aug 1 18:16:54 2007 From: cblum at newburyport.k12.ma.us (Chandler Blum) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:16:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <46B0CC5C.7020304@paasda.org> References: <46B0CC5C.7020304@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1185992214.3210.21.camel@zone.local> We used it up until a few weeks ago when we switched to Horde. We switched because for some reason SquirrelMail would cause apache to crash. We believe it had something to do with the amount of ram squirrelmail would use opening up folders (apparently it opens up every message in a folder once the folder has been opened, could be wrong about that). We've got a couple hundred mail users and many of them had thousands of emails in a folder. That uses up a lot of memory quickly. The switch seems to have helped as apache hasn't crashed recently. As for security, I believe it is good, its pretty actively maintained. Just my two sense. On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 11:09 -0700, Huck wrote: > is it secure enough to be used as a mail portal for staff wishing to > access their e-mail from home? > > I'm inherently distrustful of allowing access to any internal servers > from off-campus. > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 1 18:33:31 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:33:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <1185992214.3210.21.camel@zone.local> References: <46B0CC5C.7020304@paasda.org> <1185992214.3210.21.camel@zone.local> Message-ID: <46B0D1FB.7070409@paasda.org> Thanks...currently trying to figure out the 'iptables' rule necessary to let users go to https://ourwebsite.com:411/ to get their emails. pretty sure it's a good idea to use the secure http eh? although not sure if it's necessary as it's using IMAP rather than POP3...so shouldn't be passing the passwds in cleartext. no? --Huck Chandler Blum wrote: > We used it up until a few weeks ago when we switched to Horde. > > We switched because for some reason SquirrelMail would cause apache to > crash. We believe it had something to do with the amount of ram > squirrelmail would use opening up folders (apparently it opens up every > message in a folder once the folder has been opened, could be wrong > about that). We've got a couple hundred mail users and many of them had > thousands of emails in a folder. That uses up a lot of memory quickly. > > The switch seems to have helped as apache hasn't crashed recently. > > As for security, I believe it is good, its pretty actively maintained. > > Just my two sense. > > On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 11:09 -0700, Huck wrote: >> is it secure enough to be used as a mail portal for staff wishing to >> access their e-mail from home? >> >> I'm inherently distrustful of allowing access to any internal servers >> from off-campus. >> >> --Huck >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 1 18:43:33 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:43:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <46B0D1FB.7070409@paasda.org> References: <46B0CC5C.7020304@paasda.org> <1185992214.3210.21.camel@zone.local> <46B0D1FB.7070409@paasda.org> Message-ID: <994441ae0708011143h53de5d7dt2ad0342afe6f6a96@mail.gmail.com> On 8/1/07, Huck wrote: > pretty sure it's a good idea to use the secure http eh? although not > sure if it's necessary as it's using IMAP rather than POP3...so > shouldn't be passing the passwds in cleartext. no? HTTPS is good. IMAP can send passwords in the clear, depending on the the SASL auth method (PLAIN is... plain, CRAM-MD5/GSSAPI etc. are not) (IMAPS or IMAP TLS never does, even using PLAIN). In this case, they would be going to localhost from localhost (remember squirrelmail is the IMAP client here) as long as squirrelmail is on your mail server. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 1 19:05:18 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:05:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <1185992214.3210.21.camel@zone.local> References: <46B0CC5C.7020304@paasda.org> <1185992214.3210.21.camel@zone.local> Message-ID: <46B0D96E.7050207@futuresource.com> Chandler Blum wrote: > We used it up until a few weeks ago when we switched to Horde. > > We switched because for some reason SquirrelMail would cause apache to > crash. We believe it had something to do with the amount of ram > squirrelmail would use opening up folders (apparently it opens up every > message in a folder once the folder has been opened, could be wrong > about that). We've got a couple hundred mail users and many of them had > thousands of emails in a folder. That uses up a lot of memory quickly. > > The switch seems to have helped as apache hasn't crashed recently. > > As for security, I believe it is good, its pretty actively maintained. > > Just my two sense. If you don't mind maintaining another box and set of logins, SME server from http://www.contribs.org makes a nice out-of-the-box email server, including imap and web mail. Has anyone glued it into their ldap or other network authentication system yet? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Wed Aug 1 19:22:38 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:22:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] AD authentification, what is the best way? References: <943800.58820.qm@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This may be too late, but I just created a new user on AD and had to create the home directory in Users/Staff/UserName then when I created the new share I used that path but made the share //servername/UserName$ . That way all the staff and students shares are pathed the same, but saved under a different path. /Users/Students/UserName , etc. Don't know if that helps with your sharing issue, but it's a thought. Levi -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Chuck Kollars Sent: Tue 7/31/2007 8:42 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] AD authentification, what is the best way? > ... > Make sure that when you setup your home directory > shares you share out each user's folder and not > just a top level folder. > Samba cannot mount a folder inside the share, it > can only mount the share itself. > ... That's exactly why the Samba [homes] share behaves specially. It allows you to type the [homes] information only once, yet create shares for every user (potentially hundreds). If you find yourself typing ...and typing ...and typing, back up and try to be more clever about leveraging the Samba [homes] capability. ([homes] can be used for _any_ one set of shares, USUALLY home directories [hence the name] but not necessarily.) thanks! -Chuck Kollars P.S. *All* Microsoft Windows products could mount only the share itself not a folder inside the share until recently. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It isn't as pretty as some of the other options but the amount of add-ons available for it is what pushed me in this direction. I needed ways to customize and allow users the ability to manage their own spam settings, whitelist and blacklists, and to be able to do different themes by domain and such. This made squirrelmail about my only option. I do find it to be fairly light weight on my server (I serve about 1000 users on different domains from a single 1Ghz PIII with 1GB RAM without any trouble at all). But if you need a prettier interface and not many options I think there are better choices. For our school I run OpenWebMail but the perl scripts seem to take a little extra processing power than I would like to see, however this isn't a big deal if it is on a dedicated server. I like that OpenWebMail has a built in tool for users to work with files in their home directories and allows them to attach a file from their home directory directly from webmail at home, or to use it as an FTP alternative. Horde is pretty nice (as long as you choose a decent color scheme :-) I think it is also very light weight and is a little prettier than Squirrel Mail. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 1 20:45:22 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:45:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update flash-plugin In-Reply-To: <15307.58040.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <15307.58040.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0708011345l336fd491gfce2ae3ca39ee71e@mail.gmail.com> On 8/1/07, P Nakashima wrote: > Hi all, > Doing a "yum update flash-plugin" on a K12LTSP 6 box gives me the following. > Any ideas? Can you do a "yum clean all" and try again? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From ssh at tranquility.net Wed Aug 1 20:50:12 2007 From: ssh at tranquility.net (ssh at tranquility.net) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:50:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN]K12LTSP v. 6 DHCP works for clients only? In-Reply-To: <46B0D1FB.7070409@paasda.org> References: <46B0CC5C.7020304@paasda.org> <1185992214.3210.21.camel@zone.local> <46B0D1FB.7070409@paasda.org> Message-ID: I've been using 4.4.x so troublefree for so long, I am rusty on troubleshooting. I am installing V6 on a test server. The base install works fine on clients so far. I am in the habit of plugging a couple of laptops into the client side of K12LTSP and getting dhcp info for their OS. This doesn't seem to work for me with V6. DHCP is giving the non-client machines an IP and a lease, but they cannot seem to reach anything than the server or each other. route shows k12ltsp on the inside interface as the default GW ifconfig shows the interface as up, and has an IP cat /etc/resolv.conf shows the server correctly I can also manually configure the non-clients with the same results. I can ping, ssh, etc to anything on the client network, but no lookup or anything to the outside. TIA From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 1 21:04:58 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:04:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN]K12LTSP v. 6 DHCP works for clients only? In-Reply-To: References: <46B0CC5C.7020304@paasda.org> <1185992214.3210.21.camel@zone.local> <46B0D1FB.7070409@paasda.org> Message-ID: <994441ae0708011404v54c36ebbt1bc456bc162b3eb3@mail.gmail.com> On 8/1/07, ssh at tranquility.net wrote: > DHCP is giving the non-client machines an IP and a lease, but they cannot > seem to reach anything than the server or each other. Can you try: service nat start chkconfig nat on -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From gjk_lists at rogers.com Wed Aug 1 21:17:21 2007 From: gjk_lists at rogers.com (Gustav Kramer) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:17:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN]K12LTSP v. 6 DHCP works for clients only? In-Reply-To: References: <46B0CC5C.7020304@paasda.org> <1185992214.3210.21.camel@zone.local> <46B0D1FB.7070409@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1186003041.26058.2.camel@howick.ltsp> On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 15:50 -0500, ssh at tranquility.net wrote: > I've been using 4.4.x so troublefree for so long, I am rusty on > troubleshooting. I am installing V6 on a test server. The base install > works fine on clients so far. I am in the habit of plugging a couple of > laptops into the client side of K12LTSP and getting dhcp info for their > OS. This doesn't seem to work for me with V6. > > DHCP is giving the non-client machines an IP and a lease, but they cannot > seem to reach anything than the server or each other. > > route shows k12ltsp on the inside interface as the default GW > ifconfig shows the interface as up, and has an IP > cat /etc/resolv.conf shows the server correctly > > I can also manually configure the non-clients with the same results. I can > ping, ssh, etc to anything on the client network, but no lookup or > anything to the outside. > TIA > A while back I had a similar problem and found an answer in the archives suggesting checking the firewall settings. Here's an excerpt: "I found while looking at the Linux Firewall module in Webmin that only lo was set to accept any traffic but that eth0 was not. I added a rule to accept any traffic on eth0 and now my internal workstations get through the firewall just fine." Here's the link if you want to follow the whole thread: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-December/msg00062.html It worked for me, YMMV. - gustav From mel at melwade.com Wed Aug 1 22:04:59 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:04:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] WinXP Join LDAP Domain Message-ID: <43080f460708011504l18cd61afj8e11e92086b9e8b3@mail.gmail.com> I have Windows XP clients that I need to join the LDAP domain. 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I've got 10 days before the server MUST be up, and I'm squeeze'n each one hope'n 7.0 is ready for production even if it means a plethora of "yum upgrade" in the post-install time. --Huck From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 2 04:20:29 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:20:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20070802041611.M28715@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:50:31 -0700, Huck wrote > is this BETA5, pretty much good to go? like the final beta before > release? I've got 10 days before the server MUST be up, and I'm > squeeze'n each one hope'n 7.0 is ready for production even if it means a > plethora of "yum upgrade" in the post-install time. I feel your pain :-) I'm in the same boat waiting for releases of Edubuntu Gutsy. You could take the approach I most likely will, make the assumption that it most likely isn't perfect yet and that there will probably be some small glitches shortly after the official release that will still need fixes as well. But that hopefully those will be minor and be able to be improved within the first couple weeks that students come back. And an fresh install now with yum updates every day will be easier than going with the current version and making a switch just a few weeks/months into the school year. Not the most wise approach :-) Good luck. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Aug 2 07:30:31 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:30:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46B18817.20601@cmosnetworks.com> Any reason you can't use the new 5.0EL version? It's been solid as a rock for me. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Huck wrote: > is this BETA5, pretty much good to go? like the final beta before > release? I've got 10 days before the server MUST be up, and I'm > squeeze'n each one hope'n 7.0 is ready for production even if it means > a plethora of "yum upgrade" in the post-install time. > > --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nadavkav at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 12:21:14 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:21:14 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <46B18817.20601@cmosnetworks.com> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> <46B18817.20601@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4219988b0708020521y2ac55e1elf94d3086c4e168e6@mail.gmail.com> does it allow remote (XDMCP) connetions ? is this bug solved ? here's a reference to fedora's bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=243560 From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Aug 2 13:30:12 2007 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:30:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <46B18817.20601@cmosnetworks.com> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> <46B18817.20601@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <46B1DC64.20404@cox.net> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > Any reason you can't use the new 5.0EL version? It's been solid as a > rock for me. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate > antivirus protection! > > > Huck wrote: >> is this BETA5, pretty much good to go? like the final beta before >> release? I've got 10 days before the server MUST be up, and I'm >> squeeze'n each one hope'n 7.0 is ready for production even if it >> means a plethora of "yum upgrade" in the post-install time. >> >> --Huck > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I love centos as a server and 5 is rock solid, but I'd much rather use fedora for workstations. I'm in the same situation as some of you others on this list, that is, I need to update before school starts. If we don't have a choice, I may go with Centos5 or even edubuntu (MueKow looks interesting). Centos 5 will only get maintenance updates and not the latest and greatest software. For example, it uses firefox 1.5 and as far as I know will never get updated to 2.0 from the standard repositories. Luis From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 2 17:05:33 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 10:05:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <46B1DC64.20404@cox.net> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> <46B18817.20601@cmosnetworks.com> <46B1DC64.20404@cox.net> Message-ID: <46B20EDD.3030903@paasda.org> Luis has echo'd my reasoning... I have a CentOS4.3 server that I use for staff..and I'm not overly impressed honestly..yes it has been rock solid...but there have been a number of things that I've not been able to get to compile(mostly a lack of time to troubleshoot, so I moved those off to my debian server that is my TANK ;) --Huck Luis Montes wrote: > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> Any reason you can't use the new 5.0EL version? It's been solid as a >> rock for me. >> >> --TP >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate >> antivirus protection! >> >> >> Huck wrote: >>> is this BETA5, pretty much good to go? like the final beta before >>> release? I've got 10 days before the server MUST be up, and I'm >>> squeeze'n each one hope'n 7.0 is ready for production even if it >>> means a plethora of "yum upgrade" in the post-install time. >>> >>> --Huck >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > I love centos as a server and 5 is rock solid, but I'd much rather use > fedora for workstations. I'm in the same situation as some of you > others on this list, that is, I need to update before school starts. If > we don't have a choice, I may go with Centos5 or even edubuntu (MueKow > looks interesting). > Centos 5 will only get maintenance updates and not the latest and > greatest software. For example, it uses firefox 1.5 and as far as I know > will never get updated to 2.0 from the standard repositories. > > Luis > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ssh at tranquility.net Thu Aug 2 18:29:36 2007 From: ssh at tranquility.net (ssh at tranquility.net) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:29:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <46B1DC64.20404@cox.net> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> <46B18817.20601@cmosnetworks.com> <46B1DC64.20404@cox.net> Message-ID: I had tried the latest Beta, it crashed at the same point on install with Unhandled Exception right at the point where it was to transfer install image, I believe. I tried on both AMD 2200 and Intel P4 1.8 platforms on three different mahines (MD5sums matched, etc). I had seen that mentioned here before, so I did not report it. thx Scott S. From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 2 18:37:00 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:37:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <46B20EDD.3030903@paasda.org> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> <46B18817.20601@cmosnetworks.com> <46B1DC64.20404@cox.net> <46B20EDD.3030903@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46B2244C.6060309@futuresource.com> Huck wrote: > Luis has echo'd my reasoning... > I have a CentOS4.3 server that I use for staff..and I'm not overly > impressed honestly.. Hasn't it updated to 4.5? > yes it has been rock solid...but there have been a > number of things that I've not been able to get to compile(mostly a lack > of time to troubleshoot, so I moved those off to my debian server that > is my TANK ;) Usually you can find an RPM of anything you might want compiled for RHEL4 or get the src RPM for the nearest thing (like fedora FC3) and rebuild it with 'rpmbuild --rebuild' to get working binaries on centos. I have an RH7.3-based k12ltsp box that just passed 4 years of uptime (although the uptime counter rolls at 497 days). Is that a match for your debian box? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 2 18:57:56 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:57:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <46B2244C.6060309@futuresource.com> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> <46B18817.20601@cmosnetworks.com> <46B1DC64.20404@cox.net> <46B20EDD.3030903@paasda.org> <46B2244C.6060309@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0708021157y595efb3bt3544e16e9b77c84d@mail.gmail.com> On 8/2/07, Les Mikesell wrote: > Usually you can find an RPM of anything you might want compiled for > RHEL4 or get the src RPM for the nearest thing (like fedora FC3) and > rebuild it with 'rpmbuild --rebuild' to get working binaries on centos. And EPEL should provide an increasing number of high-quality packages for RHEL/CentOS 4/5 distributions: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 2 22:59:42 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:59:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46B261DE.90107@paasda.org> downloaded BETA 5 today... attempted an install...fatal error blah blah...didn't get to read it all cuz I hit the 'debug' button look'n for more info...something about Anaconda.(don't want none because she got no .. ack! 90's flashbacks!) So might just hold out until next week and see if anything changes. --Huck Huck wrote: > is this BETA5, pretty much good to go? like the final beta before > release? I've got 10 days before the server MUST be up, and I'm > squeeze'n each one hope'n 7.0 is ready for production even if it means a > plethora of "yum upgrade" in the post-install time. > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From kdanb at kdanb.com Fri Aug 3 03:20:49 2007 From: kdanb at kdanb.com (Daniel Button) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:20:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5EL and Wine Message-ID: <46B29F11.5060203@kdanb.com> Levi, I ran into this a couple of times. I finally found an answer that worked for me. I installed that rpm msttcorefonts-2.0-1.noarch.rpm. I installed the package from winehq.org. I searched some sites until I found reference to the msttcorefonts. I do not remember where I found the package. A Google search should help you find it. This package did the trick for me. I installed on my laptop with Centos 5 as well as my Centos 4 K12 server. Works like a charm!!! Hope this helps!! Dan Ok, I thought I had figured this out but apparently not. The only thing that seems to make a difference is renaming the fonts folder in wine. It then seems to go out and find the system fonts from CentOS, but not all of them. I'm wondering if copying all the TFF files into the .wine fonts folder would fix it? I'll try it when I get home, that's where I've been messing with it for now. I don't want to mess with my server too much before school. Is there a way I can remove and then reinstall wine but showing what may have went wrong? Debug it is what I mean. So I can get a better idea of what might be causing this, I don't think recompiling it made a difference, and neither did installing all the other font packages. Thanks. Levi From karisue at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 14:52:35 2007 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:52:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap documentation Message-ID: Hello, I noticed this morning that the link http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ to the Matt O's documentation doesn't work. Does anyone know what's up with it? ~kari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 3 15:12:17 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:12:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] need some K12LTSP 5.0EL advice In-Reply-To: <1185367143.19603.60.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1315fcd60707242130x28caa967sb3d1b14779dc598d@mail.gmail.com> <1185367143.19603.60.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <46B345D1.5000208@futuresource.com> James P. Kinney III wrote: > You will ALWAYS need a swap partition for the OS. The standard 2GB swap > partition is OK. If you are using software RAID1, create the a pair of > 1GB swap partitions and let swap handle them outside of RAID. Putting > swap on a mirror is a waste of system resources. Unless, of course, you'd like the machine to keep running when one of the disks dies, which is often the reason you add the mirror in the first place. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mel at melwade.com Fri Aug 3 15:11:57 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:11:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap documentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43080f460708030811i7eaf77c0v68a6dc8678880142@mail.gmail.com> It works for me. I'm still trying to find documentation on how to get WindowsXP clients to join the LDAP domain. Mel On 8/3/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > Hello, > > I noticed this morning that the link > http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ to the Matt O's > documentation doesn't work. Does anyone know what's up with it? > > ~kari > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 3 15:18:17 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:18:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick Question about Swap partitions In-Reply-To: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> References: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <46B34739.5020707@futuresource.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > How big should they be? I have read places that too large of a Swap partition is bad, I > have also read that a good rule of thumb is to make your swap partition twice the size > of your RAM. In my case I have 16GB of RAM. Does that mean I should have 32GB swap > partitions? Also most recommendations for swap partition sizes are for single user > machines (Desktops). In the case of LTSP we have many users on one machine (108 in my > current case). So is the swap size dependent also on how many concurrent users are > accessing files? > > If anyone could point out a good way of determining swap size for LTSP servers I would > appreciate it. It depends on the use pattern, but on machines I've seen as you get close to 2 gigs into swap the machine will be so slow and unresponsive that you'll probably reboot it before it would recover - if it ever does. The main point is that you need enough RAM. Swap will keep the machine from crashing if you run short momentarily but its not a real substitute. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 3 15:23:23 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:23:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick Question about Swap partitions In-Reply-To: <46B34739.5020707@futuresource.com> References: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> <46B34739.5020707@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20070803151940.M74132@winonacotter.org> > It depends on the use pattern, but on machines I've seen as you get > close to 2 gigs into swap the machine will be so slow and unresponsive > that you'll probably reboot it before it would recover - if it ever > does. The main point is that you need enough RAM. Swap will keep the > machine from crashing if you run short momentarily but its not a real > substitute. So then theoretically is there a problem with having too much swap available? I want to be sure I have enough in a just in case scenario, but if too much will also slow things down I want to keep it to a minimum. For example let's say you have a system with 16GB RAM and a 2GB swap, would this perform any differently than a machine with 16GB RAM and 10GB swap? If both perform the same, and you have enough space, wouldn't the setup with more swap be safer if a sudden high use case came about? Obviously if events kept repeatedly using all the RAM and digging deep into swap usage, you would add more RAM for the future and hope to stay out of swap completely. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 3 15:29:07 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:29:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap documentation In-Reply-To: <43080f460708030811i7eaf77c0v68a6dc8678880142@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708030811i7eaf77c0v68a6dc8678880142@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B349C3.7040907@paasda.org> they join the samba domain...ldap is merely the authentication method if I'm not mistaken... try this: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ --Huck Mel Wade wrote: > It works for me. > > I'm still trying to find documentation on how to get WindowsXP clients > to join the LDAP domain. > > Mel > > On 8/3/07, *Kari Matthews * > wrote: > > Hello, > > I noticed this morning that the link > http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ > to the Matt > O's documentation doesn't work. Does anyone know what's up with it? > > ~kari > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 3 15:31:34 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:31:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick Question about Swap partitions In-Reply-To: <20070803151940.M74132@winonacotter.org> References: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> <46B34739.5020707@futuresource.com> <20070803151940.M74132@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <46B34A56.9060109@paasda.org> No such thing as too much swap...it just won't get used. but back in the old days of linux your swap was double your RAM... now days...you should be able to tune it(because we have SOOOOO MUCH RAM available now) to have just as much as you'd need... I seriously doubt you will ever touch 10GB of swap with 16GB of RAM already in the machine...perhaps 2 GB.. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> It depends on the use pattern, but on machines I've seen as you get >> close to 2 gigs into swap the machine will be so slow and unresponsive >> that you'll probably reboot it before it would recover - if it ever >> does. The main point is that you need enough RAM. Swap will keep the >> machine from crashing if you run short momentarily but its not a real >> substitute. > > So then theoretically is there a problem with having too much swap available? I want to > be sure I have enough in a just in case scenario, but if too much will also slow things > down I want to keep it to a minimum. > > For example let's say you have a system with 16GB RAM and a 2GB swap, would this perform > any differently than a machine with 16GB RAM and 10GB swap? If both perform the same, > and you have enough space, wouldn't the setup with more swap be safer if a sudden high > use case came about? Obviously if events kept repeatedly using all the RAM and digging > deep into swap usage, you would add more RAM for the future and hope to stay out of swap > completely. > From joe at vortex-tech.com Fri Aug 3 15:34:36 2007 From: joe at vortex-tech.com (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:34:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <46B261DE.90107@paasda.org> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> <46B261DE.90107@paasda.org> Message-ID: <98bb4fe80708030834x21423f0en5de3ee96da04235@mail.gmail.com> Same problem. It happened right after formatting partitions when it said "transferring install image". Were you using the dvd too Huck? I am downloading 6 right now, but I just got two brand spankin new beefy servers that are aching for the latest greatest. I might try the 7 cd's. -Joe Korzeniewski On 8/2/07, Huck wrote: > > downloaded BETA 5 today... > attempted an install...fatal error blah blah...didn't get to read it all > cuz I hit the 'debug' button look'n for more info...something about > Anaconda.(don't want none because she got no .. ack! 90's flashbacks!) > > So might just hold out until next week and see if anything changes. > > > --Huck > > > Huck wrote: > > is this BETA5, pretty much good to go? like the final beta before > > release? I've got 10 days before the server MUST be up, and I'm > > squeeze'n each one hope'n 7.0 is ready for production even if it means a > > plethora of "yum upgrade" in the post-install time. > > > > --Huck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 3 15:54:18 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:54:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <98bb4fe80708030834x21423f0en5de3ee96da04235@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> <46B261DE.90107@paasda.org> <98bb4fe80708030834x21423f0en5de3ee96da04235@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B34FAA.30800@paasda.org> I was using the cd-isos...*hangs head* no spare dvd drive to slap into my 4yr old server ;( the 6.0 cd's and dvd works wonderfully btw ;) --Huck Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > Same problem. It happened right after formatting partitions when it said > "transferring install image". Were you using the dvd too Huck? > > I am downloading 6 right now, but I just got two brand spankin new beefy > servers that are aching for the latest greatest. I might try the 7 cd's. > > -Joe Korzeniewski > > On 8/2/07, *Huck* > wrote: > > downloaded BETA 5 today... > attempted an install...fatal error blah blah...didn't get to read it all > cuz I hit the 'debug' button look'n for more info...something about > Anaconda.(don't want none because she got no .. ack! 90's flashbacks!) > > So might just hold out until next week and see if anything changes. > > > --Huck > > > Huck wrote: > > is this BETA5, pretty much good to go? like the final beta before > > release? I've got 10 days before the server MUST be up, and I'm > > squeeze'n each one hope'n 7.0 is ready for production even if it > means a > > plethora of "yum upgrade" in the post-install time. > > > > --Huck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From stegil at hotmail.com Fri Aug 3 16:05:01 2007 From: stegil at hotmail.com (Steve Gilmore) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:05:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dual display Message-ID: Good Day, I'm trying to implement dual monitors for the server only (k12ltsp-v6.0-x64). Installed an ATI 9250 and setup spanning, but am only getting a cloned display. I had to add 'iommu=noaperture' to the kernel boot line due to memaper aperture error. I rechecked manually the /etc/X11/xorg.conf and setup monitors and video card for Xinerama, but still am only getting a cloned display. Is there another config file that has to be edited to enable a spanned desktop for the server only, not the client displays? SteveG From luis.montes at cox.net Fri Aug 3 16:09:25 2007 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:09:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <98bb4fe80708030834x21423f0en5de3ee96da04235@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> <46B261DE.90107@paasda.org> <98bb4fe80708030834x21423f0en5de3ee96da04235@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B35335.9050708@cox.net> Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > Same problem. It happened right after formatting partitions when it > said "transferring install image". Were you using the dvd too Huck? > > I am downloading 6 right now, but I just got two brand spankin new > beefy servers that are aching for the latest greatest. I might try the > 7 cd's. > > -Joe Korzeniewski > > On 8/2/07, *Huck* > > wrote: > > downloaded BETA 5 today... > attempted an install...fatal error blah blah...didn't get to read > it all > cuz I hit the 'debug' button look'n for more info...something about > Anaconda.(don't want none because she got no .. ack! 90's > flashbacks!) > > So might just hold out until next week and see if anything changes. > > > --Huck > > > Huck wrote: > > is this BETA5, pretty much good to go? like the final beta before > > release? I've got 10 days before the server MUST be up, and I'm > > squeeze'n each one hope'n 7.0 is ready for production even if it > means a > > plethora of "yum upgrade" in the post-install time. > > > > --Huck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see And this is why I suggested taking the burden off Eric of making a full blown distro. Having just a repo and a collection of scripts/GUIs would possibly even make it easier for us to help contribute. Luis From mel at melwade.com Fri Aug 3 16:44:40 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:44:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP Options Message-ID: <43080f460708030944q7800a0d4lc81b0d4a497c6a7a@mail.gmail.com> I'm working on a new install for K12LSTP. We will have three servers on the network. One will be a standard K12LTSP install with 2 NICs. The other two will only be using one NIC and there will be regular clients on the network in addition to LTSP clients. Each server will be in a separate building. I the LTSP clients in Building A to only connect to Server A and LTSP Clients in Building B to only connect to Server B. DHCP will not be handled by the K12LTSP servers but by a separate server (either Win or Linux). Can any one give advice on how to set this up? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 3 17:42:36 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:42:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick Question about Swap partitions In-Reply-To: <20070803151940.M74132@winonacotter.org> References: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> <46B34739.5020707@futuresource.com> <20070803151940.M74132@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <46B3690C.50007@futuresource.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> It depends on the use pattern, but on machines I've seen as you get >> close to 2 gigs into swap the machine will be so slow and unresponsive >> that you'll probably reboot it before it would recover - if it ever >> does. The main point is that you need enough RAM. Swap will keep the >> machine from crashing if you run short momentarily but its not a real >> substitute. > > So then theoretically is there a problem with having too much swap available? I want to > be sure I have enough in a just in case scenario, but if too much will also slow things > down I want to keep it to a minimum. No, it just won't be used unless you need it. > For example let's say you have a system with 16GB RAM and a 2GB swap, would this perform > any differently than a machine with 16GB RAM and 10GB swap? If both perform the same, > and you have enough space, wouldn't the setup with more swap be safer if a sudden high > use case came about? Yes if the high use case comes at night when nobody cares... When users are active they aren't going to like it when they have to wait for several gigs of disk reads and writes between their keystrokes. > Obviously if events kept repeatedly using all the RAM and digging > deep into swap usage, you would add more RAM for the future and hope to stay out of swap > completely. There's the famous quote from supercomputer designer Seymour Cray in the late 70's: "Memory is like an orgasm. It's a lot better if you don't have to fake it" I don't think it has changed much since. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From scott at hosef.org Fri Aug 3 18:01:58 2007 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:01:58 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick Question about Swap partitions In-Reply-To: <46B34A56.9060109@paasda.org> References: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> <46B34739.5020707@futuresource.com> <20070803151940.M74132@winonacotter.org> <46B34A56.9060109@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46B36D96.2060803@hosef.org> Interesting Note. For my home mail/web/familytree server, I have my swap mirrored across RAID1 on two separate drives. Some time ago either the drives or the cables or the ide channels died. This mobo has 6 ide channels, and my RAID arrays are spread amongst them, so the system is still working. It has no swap and usually uses most or all of its RAM. --scott Huck wrote: > No such thing as too much swap...it just won't get used. > > but back in the old days of linux your swap was double your RAM... > now days...you should be able to tune it(because we have SOOOOO MUCH RAM > available now) to have just as much as you'd need... > > I seriously doubt you will ever touch 10GB of swap with 16GB of RAM > already in the machine...perhaps 2 GB.. > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>> It depends on the use pattern, but on machines I've seen as you get >>> close to 2 gigs into swap the machine will be so slow and >>> unresponsive that you'll probably reboot it before it would recover - >>> if it ever does. The main point is that you need enough RAM. Swap >>> will keep the machine from crashing if you run short momentarily but >>> its not a real substitute. >> >> So then theoretically is there a problem with having too much swap >> available? I want to >> be sure I have enough in a just in case scenario, but if too much will >> also slow things >> down I want to keep it to a minimum. >> For example let's say you have a system with 16GB RAM and a 2GB swap, >> would this perform >> any differently than a machine with 16GB RAM and 10GB swap? If both >> perform the same, >> and you have enough space, wouldn't the setup with more swap be safer >> if a sudden high >> use case came about? Obviously if events kept repeatedly using all >> the RAM and digging >> deep into swap usage, you would add more RAM for the future and hope >> to stay out of swap >> completely. >> > From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 3 18:26:18 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:26:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick Question about Swap partitions In-Reply-To: <46B36D96.2060803@hosef.org> References: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> <46B34739.5020707@futuresource.com> <20070803151940.M74132@winonacotter.org> <46B34A56.9060109@paasda.org> <46B36D96.2060803@hosef.org> Message-ID: <46B3734A.8030709@futuresource.com> R. Scott Belford wrote: > Interesting Note. For my home mail/web/familytree server, I have my > swap mirrored across RAID1 on two separate drives. Some time ago either > the drives or the cables or the ide channels died. This mobo has 6 ide > channels, and my RAID arrays are spread amongst them, so the system is > still working. It has no swap and usually uses most or all of its RAM. It's moderately difficult to tell how much RAM your processes actually need, since most available memory will be taken for buffers that speed disk access but aren't essential and are released as necessary. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pnakashi at yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 18:45:52 2007 From: pnakashi at yahoo.com (P Nakashima) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update flash-plugin In-Reply-To: <994441ae0708011345l336fd491gfce2ae3ca39ee71e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <944936.47300.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan Young wrote: Can you do a "yum clean all" and try again? Thanks Dan :-) Tried it, but still got the error. Is this just our local problem or is this affecting others? --Peter These are my results: [root@ ~]# yum clean all Loading "installonlyn" plugin Cleaning up Everything [root@ ~]# yum update flash-plugin Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories macromedia 100% |=========================| 1.9 kB 00:00 adobe-linux 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates 100% |=========================| 1.2 kB 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.4 kB 00:00 macromedia: ################################################## 4/4 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.3 kB 00:00 adobe-linu: ################################################## 2/2 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:03 core : ################################################## 2931/2931 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.3 MB 00:02 k12ltsp : ################################################## 4640/4640 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 492 kB 00:04 updates : ################################################## 1418/1418 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 kB 00:00 webmin : ################################################## 2/2 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.6 MB 00:04 extras : ################################################## 5029/5029 Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for flash-plugin to pack into transaction set. flash-plugin-9.0.48.0-rel 100% |=========================| 2.5 MB 00:05 http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/linux/i386/flash-plugin-9.0.48.0-release.i386.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not complete. Trying other mirror. Error: failure: flash-plugin-9.0.48.0-release.i386.rpm from adobe-linux: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root@ ~]# --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 3 18:51:10 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:51:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update flash-plugin In-Reply-To: <944936.47300.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <994441ae0708011345l336fd491gfce2ae3ca39ee71e@mail.gmail.com> <944936.47300.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0708031151k4ab54b88k321b09411de0a44e@mail.gmail.com> On 8/3/07, P Nakashima wrote: > Dan Young wrote: > Can you do a "yum clean all" and try again? > > Thanks Dan :-) > Tried it, but still got the error. Is this just our local problem or is > this affecting others? I was able to just do a wget of that file. Seems OK here. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 3 19:05:27 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:05:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick Question about Swap partitions In-Reply-To: <46B3690C.50007@futuresource.com> References: <20070725133610.M97642@winonacotter.org> <46B34739.5020707@futuresource.com> <20070803151940.M74132@winonacotter.org> <46B3690C.50007@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20070803190450.M33798@winonacotter.org> > There's the famous quote from supercomputer designer Seymour Cray in the > late 70's: > "Memory is like an orgasm. It's a lot better if you don't have to fake it" > I don't think it has changed much since. Never heard that one. I'll have to remember that :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 3 19:14:25 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:14:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP Options In-Reply-To: <43080f460708030944q7800a0d4lc81b0d4a497c6a7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708030944q7800a0d4lc81b0d4a497c6a7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B37E91.30603@paasda.org> What are the other 2 servers doing? Application servers? your explanation is severely lacking for anyone to give advice on. DHCP will not be handled by ANY of the servers? how you plan to accomplish that with 3 separate LTSP networks? each server(AFAIK) requires knowledge of which clients are attaching to them. --Huck Mel Wade wrote: > I'm working on a new install for K12LSTP. > > We will have three servers on the network. One will be a standard > K12LTSP install with 2 NICs. > > The other two will only be using one NIC and there will be regular > clients on the network in addition to LTSP clients. Each server will be > in a separate building. I the LTSP clients in Building A to only > connect to Server A and LTSP Clients in Building B to only connect to > Server B. DHCP will not be handled by the K12LTSP servers but by a > separate server (either Win or Linux). > > Can any one give advice on how to set this up? > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ssh at tranquility.net Fri Aug 3 19:34:03 2007 From: ssh at tranquility.net (ssh at tranquility.net) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:34:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] non-terminal clients getting DHCP, but no access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Both of the suggestions looked good, on iptables and verifying NAT. I restarted NAT, it did not help. Looking at Iptables seemed promising, I also had a chain that allowed lo but not eth0. I closed the lo chain, edited it (via Webmin) to accept eth0 and put it at the top. That didn't work, so I created a new rule and placed it above the default rule, still no joy. I then turned off the firewall completely from System --> Administration--> Security Level and Firewall. (Selinux was already disabled). It _still_ doesn't work on the non-clients (thin clients are fine). This leads me to believe that it's not a firewall issue. Suggestions? TIA Scott S. From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Fri Aug 3 19:50:39 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:50:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Pam_Mount References: <943800.58820.qm@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've got a CentOS 5 installation connected to a Server 2003 AD. Everything is authenticating fine. I've got network shares mounting good. I even have pam_mount working, sort of. I thought last time I had it working it was copying the files over to my server, syncing them up so to speak. Actually the reason I could still see files in the user home folders was pam_mount has been failing to unmount the share. I don't want to leave the share up, it seems to be a bit of a security risk. Below is the log file. Anythoughts on what I should try. Levi gdm-binary[20528]: pam_mkhomedir(gdm:session): unknown option: unmask=0022 gdm[23799]: PAM (gdm) illegal module type: ;auth gdm[3312]: PAM (gdm) illegal module type: ;auth gdm-binary[3312]: pam_mkhomedir(gdm:session): unknown option: unmask=0022 webmin[3218]: Webmin starting gdm[3243]: PAM (gdm) illegal module type: ;auth gdm[3317]: PAM (gdm) illegal module type: ;auth gdm[3344]: PAM (gdm) illegal module type: ;auth gdm-binary[3317]: pam_mkhomedir(gdm:session): unknown option: unmask=0022 login: PAM (login) illegal module type: ;auth login[3231]: pam_mkhomedir(login:session): unknown option: unmask=0022 login: PAM (login) illegal module type: ;auth login: pam_krb5[4142]: authentication succeeds for 'lnkemp' (lnkemp at BOLIVAR.EDU) login[4142]: pam_mkhomedir(login:session): unknown option: unmask=0022 login: PAM (login) illegal module type: ;auth login[4164]: pam_mkhomedir(login:session): unknown option: unmask=0022 crond[4357]: PAM (crond) illegal module type: ;auth webmin[5145]: Successful login as root from 10.250.20.200 gdm[5333]: PAM (gdm) illegal module type: ;auth gdm-binary[5333]: pam_mkhomedir(gdm:session): unknown option: unmask=0022 crond[5648]: PAM (crond) illegal module type: ;auth gdm[5674]: PAM (gdm) illegal module type: ;auth gdm-binary[5674]: pam_mkhomedir(gdm:session): unknown option: unmask=0022 gdm-binary[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:413) error trying to retrieve authtok from auth code gdm[5674]: pam_mount(readconfig.c:197) reading options_allow... gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:439) back from global readconfig gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:441) per-user configurations not allowed by pam_mount.conf gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:459) pam_sm_open_session: real uid/gid=0:16777218, effective uid/gid=0:16777218 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(readconfig.c:418) checking sanity of volume record (lnkemp$) gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:474) about to perform mount operations gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:368) information for mount: gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:369) ---------------------- gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:370) (defined by globalconf) gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:373) user: lnkemp gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:374) server: BR2 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:375) volume: lnkemp$ gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:376) mountpoint: /home/BOLIVAR/lnkemp gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:377) options: uid=lnkemp gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:378) fs_key_cipher: gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:379) fs_key_path: gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:380) use_fstab: 0 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:381) ---------------------- gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:177) realpath of volume "/home/BOLIVAR/lnkemp" is "/home/BOLIVAR/lnkemp" gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:182) checking to see if //BR2/lnkemp$ is already mounted at /home/BOLIVAR/lnkemp gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:799) checking for encrypted filesystem key configuration gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:819) about to start building mount command gdm[5674]: pam_mount(misc.c:262) command: /bin/mount [-t] [cifs] [//BR2/lnkemp$] [/home/BOLIVAR/lnkemp] [-o] [username=lnkemp,uid=16777216,gid=16777218,uid=lnkemp] gdm[5688]: pam_mount(misc.c:335) set_myuid(pre): real uid/gid=0:16777218, effective uid/gid=0:16777218 gdm[5688]: pam_mount(misc.c:370) set_myuid(post): real uid/gid=0:16777218, effective uid/gid=0:16777218 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:851) mount errors (should be empty): gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:100) pam_mount(misc.c:335) set_myuid(pre): real uid/gid=0:16777218, effective uid/gid=0:16777218 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:100) pam_mount(misc.c:370) set_myuid(post): real uid/gid=0:16777218, effective uid/gid=0:16777218 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:854) waiting for mount gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:123) clean system authtok (0) gdm[5674]: pam_mount(misc.c:262) command: /usr/sbin/pmvarrun [-u] [lnkemp] [-o] [1] gdm[5692]: pam_mount(misc.c:335) set_myuid(pre): real uid/gid=0:16777218, effective uid/gid=0:16777218 gdm[5692]: pam_mount(misc.c:370) set_myuid(post): real uid/gid=0:16777218, effective uid/gid=0:16777218 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:360) pmvarrun says login count is 1 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:491) done opening session gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:533) received order to close things gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:534) real and effective user ID are 0 and 0. gdm[5674]: pam_mount(misc.c:262) command: /usr/sbin/pmvarrun [-u] [lnkemp] [-o] [-1] gdm[5904]: pam_mount(misc.c:335) set_myuid(pre): real uid/gid=0:16777218, effective uid/gid=0:0 gdm[5904]: pam_mount(misc.c:370) set_myuid(post): real uid/gid=0:16777218, effective uid/gid=0:0 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:360) pmvarrun says login count is 0 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:556) going to unmount gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:368) information for mount: gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:369) ---------------------- gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:370) (defined by globalconf) gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:373) user: lnkemp gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:374) server: BR2 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:375) volume: lnkemp$ gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:376) mountpoint: /home/BOLIVAR/lnkemp gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:377) options: uid=lnkemp gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:378) fs_key_cipher: gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:379) fs_key_path: gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:380) use_fstab: 0 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:381) ---------------------- gdm[5674]: pam_mount(misc.c:262) command: /usr/sbin/lsof [/home/BOLIVAR/lnkemp] gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:131) lsof output (should be empty)... gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:100) COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:100) escd 5843 lnkemp 3w REG 0,18 651 25393 /home/BOLIVAR/lnkemp/.redhat/esc/esc.log gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:100) gam_serve 5878 lnkemp cwd DIR 0,18 0 2 /home/BOLIVAR/lnkemp gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:133) waiting for lsof gdm[5674]: pam_mount(misc.c:262) command: /bin/umount [/home/BOLIVAR/lnkemp] gdm[5907]: pam_mount(misc.c:335) set_myuid(pre): real uid/gid=0:16777218, effective uid/gid=0:0 gdm[5907]: pam_mount(misc.c:370) set_myuid(post): real uid/gid=0:16777218, effective uid/gid=0:0 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:487) umount errors (should be empty): gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:100) pam_mount(misc.c:335) set_myuid(pre): real uid/gid=0:16777218, effective uid/gid=0:0 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:100) pam_mount(misc.c:370) set_myuid(post): real uid/gid=0:16777218, effective uid/gid=0:0 gdm[5674]: pam_mount(mount.c:490) waiting for umount gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:558) unmount of lnkemp$ failed gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:567) pam_mount execution complete gdm[5674]: pam_mount(pam_mount.c:106) Clean global config (0) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll have to remember that :-) I think its the background for the Linus Torvalds quote: ?Software is like sex: it's better when it's free" But I suppose you can't use either of those when promoting free software for schools... -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 3 20:21:13 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:21:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] non-terminal clients getting DHCP, but no access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B38E39.7080804@paasda.org> I've NEVER had any luck with that... Hoping to this year...will have more info next week after I get this server installed with K12LTSP 6.0, as I intend to attempt it again. --Huck ssh at tranquility.net wrote: > Both of the suggestions looked good, on iptables and verifying NAT. I > restarted NAT, it did not help. Looking at Iptables seemed promising, I > also had a chain that allowed lo but not eth0. I closed the lo chain, > edited it (via Webmin) to accept eth0 and put it at the top. > > That didn't work, so I created a new rule and placed it above the > default rule, still no joy. I then turned off the firewall completely > from System --> Administration--> Security Level and Firewall. (Selinux > was already disabled). It _still_ doesn't work on the non-clients (thin > clients are fine). This leads me to believe that it's not a firewall > issue. Suggestions? > TIA > Scott S. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From joe at vortex-tech.com Fri Aug 3 22:08:17 2007 From: joe at vortex-tech.com (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:08:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <46B35335.9050708@cox.net> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> <46B261DE.90107@paasda.org> <98bb4fe80708030834x21423f0en5de3ee96da04235@mail.gmail.com> <46B35335.9050708@cox.net> Message-ID: <98bb4fe80708031508i151936afrfb3a471470d0a897@mail.gmail.com> I finally got it installed using a nfs share to the isos. I read about it on an earlier post: Petre Scheie said: "Or put the ISO files you used to create the CDs into a directory on a server, NFS-export that directory, boot the new machine with CD1 and enter 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt, choose the NFS install method, and point it at the server with the ISO images. Once you get the hang of this approach, all others pale." He was slightly off, but helped out bigtime nonetheless. I just changed 'text' to 'askmethod' after pressing tab on the second option. (I didn't pay attention to whether it would work doing something similar with the first option, I just know this way worked. Now I am having vnc problems... new post for that though -Joe On 8/3/07, Luis Montes < luis.montes at cox.net> wrote: > > Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > Same problem. It happened right after formatting partitions when it > > said "transferring install image". Were you using the dvd too Huck? > > > > I am downloading 6 right now, but I just got two brand spankin new > > beefy servers that are aching for the latest greatest. I might try the > > 7 cd's. > > > > -Joe Korzeniewski > > > > On 8/2/07, *Huck* > > > wrote: > > > > downloaded BETA 5 today... > > attempted an install...fatal error blah blah...didn't get to read > > it all > > cuz I hit the 'debug' button look'n for more info...something about > > Anaconda.(don't want none because she got no .. ack! 90's > > flashbacks!) > > > > So might just hold out until next week and see if anything changes. > > > > > > --Huck > > > > > > Huck wrote: > > > is this BETA5, pretty much good to go? like the final beta before > > > release? I've got 10 days before the server MUST be up, and I'm > > > squeeze'n each one hope'n 7.0 is ready for production even if it > > means a > > > plethora of "yum upgrade" in the post-install time. > > > > > > --Huck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > And this is why I suggested taking the burden off Eric of making a full > blown distro. Having just a repo and a collection of scripts/GUIs would > possibly even make it easier for us to help contribute. > > Luis > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 22:11:13 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 10:11:13 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote software Message-ID: This is an interesting alternative to NX web client. I have been wanting to get the NX web client going for some time. I will be posting on the FreeNX mailing list and see if I can get anywhere. http://www.graphon.com/index.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joe at vortex-tech.com Fri Aug 3 22:22:41 2007 From: joe at vortex-tech.com (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:22:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] vncts won't play nice in K12LTSP-7 BETA5 Message-ID: <98bb4fe80708031522m2aba34a6h3e0530bba2cde1cb@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone successfully got vnc set up to let you get a login screen from the external interface with 7 beta 5? The last school I was at, I set up k12ltsp5 and it worked out of the box. Here's what's going on. I know it is actually listening because I am getting the fedora fancy cursor on a checkered X background for like one second and then it disconnects. In /var/log/messages I get this: Aug 3 17:51:56 LTSP-WK xinetd[4262]: START: vnc-1024x768x16 pid=4640 from= 10.250.56.5 Aug 3 17:51:57 LTSP-WK gdmlogin[4666]: The accessibility registry was not found. Aug 3 17:51:57 LTSP-WK xinetd[4262]: EXIT: vnc-1024x768x16 status=0 pid=4640 duration=1(sec) My vncts.ltsp has disabled set to no for every service. Any ideas? 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After trying to keep an MS Exchange server operating previous to SM, I'd give SM a 10. Hope this helps. Take Care, Barry Cisna From pnakashi at yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 22:27:11 2007 From: pnakashi at yahoo.com (P Nakashima) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update flash-plugin In-Reply-To: <994441ae0708031151k4ab54b88k321b09411de0a44e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478485.92342.qm@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan Young wrote: On 8/3/07, P Nakashima wrote: > Dan Young wrote: > Can you do a "yum clean all" and try again? > > Thanks Dan :-) > Tried it, but still got the error. Is this just our local problem or is > this affecting others? I was able to just do a wget of that file. Seems OK here. Thanks Dan :-) It worked with wget http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/linux/i386/flash-plugin-9.0.48.0-release.i386.rpm Not sure why it's not working the other way. All smiles, --Peter --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Sat Aug 4 01:43:50 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:43:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP Options In-Reply-To: <46B37E91.30603@paasda.org> References: <43080f460708030944q7800a0d4lc81b0d4a497c6a7a@mail.gmail.com> <46B37E91.30603@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43080f460708031843n417643a0o8e641f7f42874df3@mail.gmail.com> Let me ask it this way then, If I have 2 K12LTSP servers on the same network, how can I direct a client to connect to a particular server? (DHCP will be handled by a separate server.) Each LTSP server will only have one NIC. Mel On 8/3/07, Huck wrote: > > What are the other 2 servers doing? Application servers? > > your explanation is severely lacking for anyone to give advice on. > > DHCP will not be handled by ANY of the servers? > how you plan to accomplish that with 3 separate LTSP networks? > each server(AFAIK) requires knowledge of which clients are attaching to > them. > > --Huck > > Mel Wade wrote: > > I'm working on a new install for K12LSTP. > > > > We will have three servers on the network. One will be a standard > > K12LTSP install with 2 NICs. > > > > The other two will only be using one NIC and there will be regular > > clients on the network in addition to LTSP clients. Each server will be > > in a separate building. I the LTSP clients in Building A to only > > connect to Server A and LTSP Clients in Building B to only connect to > > Server B. DHCP will not be handled by the K12LTSP servers but by a > > separate server (either Win or Linux). > > > > Can any one give advice on how to set this up? > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > > BF Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 4 02:09:52 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:09:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP Options In-Reply-To: <43080f460708031843n417643a0o8e641f7f42874df3@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708030944q7800a0d4lc81b0d4a497c6a7a@mail.gmail.com> <46B37E91.30603@paasda.org> <43080f460708031843n417643a0o8e641f7f42874df3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B3DFF0.30001@futuresource.com> Mel Wade wrote: > Let me ask it this way then, > > If I have 2 K12LTSP servers on the same network, how can I direct a client > to connect to a particular server? (DHCP will be handled by a separate > server.) > > Each LTSP server will only have one NIC. The next-server option in the dhcp response determines where the client loads the kernel, and the root-path option is where it mounts the root directory from. You can control this per-client by specifying the MAC addresses in "hardware ethernet entries" or it can be controlled by subnet ranges if they are on different subnets. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Aug 4 04:59:52 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:59:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP Options In-Reply-To: <46B3DFF0.30001@futuresource.com> References: <43080f460708030944q7800a0d4lc81b0d4a497c6a7a@mail.gmail.com> <46B37E91.30603@paasda.org> <43080f460708031843n417643a0o8e641f7f42874df3@mail.gmail.com> <46B3DFF0.30001@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <46B407C8.7030205@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > Mel Wade wrote: >> Let me ask it this way then, >> >> If I have 2 K12LTSP servers on the same network, how can I direct a >> client >> to connect to a particular server? (DHCP will be handled by a separate >> server.) >> >> Each LTSP server will only have one NIC. > > The next-server option in the dhcp response determines where the > client loads the kernel, and the root-path option is where it mounts > the root directory from. You can control this per-client by > specifying the MAC addresses in "hardware ethernet entries" or it can > be controlled by subnet ranges if they are on different subnets. > To build on Les's second idea (different subnet ranges), I use an extension of this that I'll call "the method of different VLAN's." Of course, your switches do need to support VLAN's and trunking, and you'll need to configure your DHCP server to serve a different subnet to each VLAN. If you can do that, then this will give you the most flexibility in physical deployment of servers and clients. --TP From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sun Aug 5 00:53:00 2007 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:53:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linksys LNE 100 TX NIC issue Message-ID: <46B51F6C.8080306@elp.rr.com> I have 2 of these NICs in my server and when I installed K12LTSP 6 The correct NICs are not installed. In fact when I went to look for them they are not even in the list of choices. When I run the ifconfig command I get the following. eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:04:5A:6F:58:B8 inet addr:192.168.1.102 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::204:5aff:fe6f:58b8/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:33 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:45 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:6317 (6.1 KiB) TX bytes:7742 (7.5 KiB) lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:2134 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:2134 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:6378963 (6.0 MiB) TX bytes:6378963 (6.0 MiB) peth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FE:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF inet addr:192.168.0.254 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::fcff:ffff:feff:ffff/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:7 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:14 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:19 Base address:0xc000 peth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FE:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF inet6 addr: fe80::fcff:ffff:feff:ffff/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING NOARP MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:60 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:109 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:10946 (10.6 KiB) TX bytes:18925 (18.4 KiB) Interrupt:20 Base address:0x8000 vif0.1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FE:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF inet6 addr: fe80::fcff:ffff:feff:ffff/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING NOARP MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:53 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:37 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:9364 (9.1 KiB) TX bytes:7101 (6.9 KiB) xenbr1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FE:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF inet6 addr: fe80::200:ff:fe00:0/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING NOARP MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:34 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:8131 (7.9 KiB) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Please help Thanks in advance, Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Sun Aug 5 06:53:37 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:23:37 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [Conference] Freed.In Message-ID: <774593a20708042353o664bed51s1b346004970db2fc@mail.gmail.com> Not your average cup of tea but if you are inetersted in what is happening in OSS field this may be of interest. Paper submissions are now open, please see bottom of mail for URL's. freed.in - New Delhi 2007 - September 28-29 freed.in isn't just a Linux conference. It is a technical conference about Free Software and related topics, held annually in New Delhi. We invite submissions on any Free Software related subject; from Linux and the BSDs to OpenOffice.org, from networking to audio-visual magic, from deep hacks to Creative Commons. Important dates * Submissions open: July 15, 2007 * Submission deadline: August 13, 2007 * Email notifications from review committee: August 20, 2007 * Conference begins: September 28, 2007 Presentations being accepted We are accepting proposals for two different types of presentation: you can submit a proposal for a talk or a tutorial. If in doubt, you want to submit a talk proposal rather than a tutorial proposal. Call for Papers Talks are the main part of the conference: a series of presentations on Free Software related subjects. This year there will be 20-30 presentations. Presenters will be given a 50 minute slot, which includes up to 10 minutes for questions. The main programme also has 8 tutorial slots. Tutorials are longer and more interactive presentations, with slots lasting for 160 minutes, giving the speaker time to interact with the audience. Proposals for tutorials should be clear about the level of expertise required of the audience. Most presentations and tutorials will be technical in nature, but proposals for presentations on other aspects of Free Software and Free Culture, such as educational and cultural aspects are welcome. Topics Submissions related to the following topics are welcome: * General Papers (very strict accept policy!) * System Administration * Collaboration and Communication * Scientific and Research Tools * Native Language Computing * Legal Aspects of FLOSS The main site for the conference: http://freed.in/ Conference registration and paper submission site: http://conf.freed.in/ Please contact info at freed.in if you have any questions. You are also encouraged to give this conference a wider publicity by forwarding it to friends who may find it interesting to attend as speaker or delegate. -- Regards, Sudev Barar See you at 'Freed.in - freedom in technology & software' - India's leading free and open source community event. 28- 29 September 2007, New Delhi. Entry free, on first come basis. Register at http://Freed.in From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Mon Aug 6 14:22:23 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:22:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory structure Message-ID: <46B72E9F.1000506@peopleplaces.org> Hello K12LTSPers - On my x86_64 v6 box I have both /var/ltsp/ and /var/ltsp-4.2/ /var/ltsp/ has i386/ and i386-1/ for my two subnets, as well a bunch of other things. /var/ltsp-4.2/ seems to be mostly blank, except for directory structure and a very few files, though the last-modified date is newer than /var/ltsp/ and has a pkg_cache/ltsp-x-core-1.8-0-i386.tgz file in it. Any idea here? They're not symlinked either way so I'm a little confused. What is /var/ltsp-4.2/ for? Thanks, Michael From rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us Mon Aug 6 15:44:05 2007 From: rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us (rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:44:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow terminals Message-ID: <47BF54FA22494E838525FECEDF52DF8E.MAI@schooldesk.net> I've got two 5.0EL labs set up that we're using to test out the viability of using LTSP in our Elementary School and possibly in our Middle/High School as well. So far, the feedback has been mostly positive. I've got 2 issues that are causing some reservations by the teachers. One is that the terminals are a little slow, especially whenever a student exits a program and tries to go back into it. The servers are struggling to keep up. Eventually, they will get back into their desired program, but not before they've clicked it several (dozen) times. I'm thinking that my servers may not have enough ram, but I need more feedback from you, the more experienced. Both labs are running an HP xw6000 server with a 3.2 Ghz Xeon processor, 4 GB of ram, dual 30 GB SCSI hard drives. There are 28 terminals in lab and 26 in the other. I have gigabit nics in the servers going to an HP 2650 switch (GB uplink port, 48 100MB ports). I would think a 3.2 Ghz Xeon would have the capacity, but what about doubling the ram to 8GB? Any suggestions would most definitely be appreciated. The other issue relates to one of the 2 labs. In it, I have 26 Acer 220 laptops. I boot them off a boot floppy as PXE doesn't seem to work on them, but that's another issue. The biggest problem I'm having with them is at that I running them at 800x600 (most I can get), and some of the games, i.e. ChildsPlay, is shifted to the right so that about 1/3 of the screen is not visible. If they were standard desktop pc's and monitors, I could adjust the monitor's settings to move the screen to the left. Can't do it on the laptops. If you have any suggestions on this matter, I'd also appreaciate any help. Thanks guys for all the help you given in the past! Ronnie From list at nettrust.com Mon Aug 6 15:50:50 2007 From: list at nettrust.com (Greg X) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:50:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thin-clients and widescreen? devonIT 6020p can't map 1440x900 Message-ID: has anyone has success with DevonIT thin-clients running on widescreen monitors? if so, how? (actually, it works, but video card is outputting 1280x1024 and screen image is streched out, 1:1 pixel mapping would be nice too...) my screen resolution pull down only has listings for fullscreen widths. i went shopping for monitors this weekend only to find that widescreens have all but obsoleted fullscreen LCD's.... thanks. From jmakoid at devonit.com Mon Aug 6 16:08:08 2007 From: jmakoid at devonit.com (Joe Makoid) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:08:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thin-clients and widescreen? devonIT 6020p can't map1440x900 Message-ID: <63D8398361581D4282CEEC0C3EDBBB5D451AFB@moosehead.devonit.com> Stephane (our CTO) can you help out? Joe Makoid President Devon IT "the Alternative Desktop Computing Company" 215-479-6152 Exec Asst. & Dir. Operations Rebecca Blair rblair at devonit.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Greg X Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:51 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] thin-clients and widescreen? devonIT 6020p can't map1440x900 has anyone has success with DevonIT thin-clients running on widescreen monitors? if so, how? (actually, it works, but video card is outputting 1280x1024 and screen image is streched out, 1:1 pixel mapping would be nice too...) my screen resolution pull down only has listings for fullscreen widths. i went shopping for monitors this weekend only to find that widescreens have all but obsoleted fullscreen LCD's.... thanks. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Aug 6 17:07:35 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:07:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow terminals In-Reply-To: <47BF54FA22494E838525FECEDF52DF8E.MAI@schooldesk.net> References: <47BF54FA22494E838525FECEDF52DF8E.MAI@schooldesk.net> Message-ID: <46B75557.5040606@cmosnetworks.com> rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us wrote: > I've got two 5.0EL labs set up that we're using to test out the viability of using LTSP in our Elementary School and possibly in our Middle/High School as well. So far, the feedback has been mostly positive. > > I've got 2 issues that are causing some reservations by the teachers. One is that the terminals are a little slow, especially whenever a student exits a program and tries to go back into it. The servers are struggling to keep up. Eventually, they will get back into their desired program, but not before they've clicked it several (dozen) times. > > I'm thinking that my servers may not have enough ram, but I need more feedback from you, the more experienced. Both labs are running an HP xw6000 server with a 3.2 Ghz Xeon processor, 4 GB of ram, dual 30 GB SCSI hard drives. There are 28 terminals in lab and 26 in the other. I have gigabit nics in the servers going to an HP 2650 switch (GB uplink port, 48 100MB ports). I would think a 3.2 Ghz Xeon would have the capacity, but what about doubling the ram to 8GB? Any suggestions would most definitely be appreciated. > > What kind of switches are you using? You mention Gbit on the server, but are you sure that your clients are autonegotiating to 100Mbps/FDX? If not, that can cause some slowness. That said, even 10Mb/Half Duplex, as experienced on my ancient Power Mac 5260 is at least tolerable for launching OpenOffice.org. I've run 25 terminals on a 4GB (well, 3.5GB usable) dual Athlon 1.47GHz box with twin 80GB EIDE disk drives with no slowness whatsoever, *and* that server was one of the main file servers for the entire school (Samba). Speaking of Gbit on the server, are you seeing any errors on that switch port--CRC, input, or otherwise? And is it all clients, or just certain ones? One other thing to look at is what top says. Are you indeed running out of DRAM, do you have some process that's eating up either memory or disk I/O? When this happens, are your disk drives thrashing like crazy? > The other issue relates to one of the 2 labs. In it, I have 26 Acer 220 laptops. I boot them off a boot floppy as PXE doesn't seem to work on them, but that's another issue. The biggest problem I'm having with them is at that I running them at 800x600 (most I can get), and some of the games, i.e. ChildsPlay, is shifted to the right so that about 1/3 of the screen is not visible. If they were standard desktop pc's and monitors, I could adjust the monitor's settings to move the screen to the left. Can't do it on the laptops. If you have any suggestions on this matter, I'd also appreaciate any help. > Try running ChildsPlay in a window instead of full screen, like this: microman at takhisis ~]$ childsplay --window --TP From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Aug 6 17:13:51 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:13:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow terminals In-Reply-To: <47BF54FA22494E838525FECEDF52DF8E.MAI@schooldesk.net> References: <47BF54FA22494E838525FECEDF52DF8E.MAI@schooldesk.net> Message-ID: <1186420431.7124.64.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 11:44 -0400, rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us wrote: > I've got two 5.0EL labs set up that we're using to test out the > viability of using LTSP in our Elementary School and possibly in our > Middle/High School as well. So far, the feedback has been mostly > positive. > > I've got 2 issues that are causing some reservations by the teachers. > One is that the terminals are a little slow, especially whenever a > student exits a program and tries to go back into it. The servers are > struggling to keep up. Eventually, they will get back into their > desired program, but not before they've clicked it several (dozen) > times. Try different X servers to get a faster one. The old vesa driver is nearly painful. > > I'm thinking that my servers may not have enough ram, but I need more > feedback from you, the more experienced. Both labs are running an HP > xw6000 server with a 3.2 Ghz Xeon processor, 4 GB of ram, dual 30 GB > SCSI hard drives. There are 28 terminals in lab and 26 in the other. I > have gigabit nics in the servers going to an HP 2650 switch (GB uplink > port, 48 100MB ports). I would think a 3.2 Ghz Xeon would have the > capacity, but what about doubling the ram to 8GB? Any suggestions > would most definitely be appreciated. Theoretically, a 1Gbit Nic _should_ handle about 700Mb/s using standard ethernet (can't do jumbo frames in 100Mb). You are at the upper edge of that limit with 54 clients running. Figure in at least 7Mb/s per client just for resting state screen draws. If there is activity (all of the games - childsplay, gcompris, tuxmath, tuxtype - are real bandwidth hogs and can eat 20Mb/s for each instance). > > The other issue relates to one of the 2 labs. In it, I have 26 Acer > 220 laptops. I boot them off a boot floppy as PXE doesn't seem to work > on them, but that's another issue. The biggest problem I'm having with > them is at that I running them at 800x600 (most I can get), and some > of the games, i.e. ChildsPlay, is shifted to the right so that about > 1/3 of the screen is not visible. If they were standard desktop pc's > and monitors, I could adjust the monitor's settings to move the screen > to the left. Can't do it on the laptops. If you have any suggestions > on this matter, I'd also appreaciate any help. Change the launcher to include --window and they will run in a window and not offset of the screen. The launcher(s) is(are) in /usr/share/applications > > Thanks guys for all the help you given in the past! > > Ronnie > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. :) Travis Scanned by GenNET AV out From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Aug 6 17:38:33 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:38:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow terminals In-Reply-To: <1186420431.7124.64.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <47BF54FA22494E838525FECEDF52DF8E.MAI@schooldesk.net> <1186420431.7124.64.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <46B75C99.9010709@cmosnetworks.com> James P. Kinney III wrote: > Theoretically, a 1Gbit Nic _should_ handle about 700Mb/s using standard > ethernet (can't do jumbo frames in 100Mb). You are at the upper edge of > that limit with 54 clients running. Figure in at least 7Mb/s per client > just for resting state screen draws. If there is activity (all of the > games - childsplay, gcompris, tuxmath, tuxtype - are real bandwidth hogs > and can eat 20Mb/s for each instance). > In support of James's point here, TuxType will actually eat even more--as high as 73Mb/sec per instance. --TP From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Aug 6 17:52:31 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:52:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow terminals In-Reply-To: <46B75C99.9010709@cmosnetworks.com> References: <47BF54FA22494E838525FECEDF52DF8E.MAI@schooldesk.net> <1186420431.7124.64.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <46B75C99.9010709@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1186422751.7124.76.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 13:38 -0400, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > James P. Kinney III wrote: > > Theoretically, a 1Gbit Nic _should_ handle about 700Mb/s using standard > > ethernet (can't do jumbo frames in 100Mb). You are at the upper edge of > > that limit with 54 clients running. Figure in at least 7Mb/s per client > > just for resting state screen draws. If there is activity (all of the > > games - childsplay, gcompris, tuxmath, tuxtype - are real bandwidth hogs > > and can eat 20Mb/s for each instance). > > > In support of James's point here, TuxType will actually eat even > more--as high as 73Mb/sec per instance. OUCH!! I have only clocked an aggregate and average. Since tuxtype and tuxmath use the same engine I suspect they will be equivalent bandwidth hogs. Good thing I used a quad bonded gig network from the server to the gig feeds to each classroom. :) > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nils at breun.nl Mon Aug 6 17:59:05 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:59:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow terminals In-Reply-To: <1186422751.7124.76.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <47BF54FA22494E838525FECEDF52DF8E.MAI@schooldesk.net> <1186420431.7124.64.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <46B75C99.9010709@cmosnetworks.com> <1186422751.7124.76.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <2171A954-D6FF-4462-A7E1-33D382FA3C55@breun.nl> James P. Kinney III wrote: > On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 13:38 -0400, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: >> James P. Kinney III wrote: >>> Theoretically, a 1Gbit Nic _should_ handle about 700Mb/s using >>> standard >>> ethernet (can't do jumbo frames in 100Mb). You are at the upper >>> edge of >>> that limit with 54 clients running. Figure in at least 7Mb/s per >>> client >>> just for resting state screen draws. If there is activity (all of >>> the >>> games - childsplay, gcompris, tuxmath, tuxtype - are real >>> bandwidth hogs >>> and can eat 20Mb/s for each instance). >>> >> In support of James's point here, TuxType will actually eat even >> more--as high as 73Mb/sec per instance. > > OUCH!! I have only clocked an aggregate and average. Since tuxtype and > tuxmath use the same engine I suspect they will be equivalent > bandwidth > hogs. The bandwidth needed doesn't really depend on the things like processing power and calculations. It's just the amount of on-screen activity. Video and fast graphics take up a lot of bandwidth. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Aug 6 18:04:59 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:04:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow terminals In-Reply-To: <1186422751.7124.76.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <47BF54FA22494E838525FECEDF52DF8E.MAI@schooldesk.net> <1186420431.7124.64.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <46B75C99.9010709@cmosnetworks.com> <1186422751.7124.76.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <46B762CB.3090007@cmosnetworks.com> James P. Kinney III wrote: > OUCH!! I have only clocked an aggregate and average. Since tuxtype and > tuxmath use the same engine I suspect they will be equivalent bandwidth > hogs. > > Good thing I used a quad bonded gig network from the server to the gig > feeds to each classroom. :) > Yeah, go and make us jealous like that. :-) I'll test out the other apps individually (hopefully) sometime this week with 5.0EL. --TP From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 6 18:19:36 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:19:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow terminals In-Reply-To: <47BF54FA22494E838525FECEDF52DF8E.MAI@schooldesk.net> References: <47BF54FA22494E838525FECEDF52DF8E.MAI@schooldesk.net> Message-ID: <46B76638.7060909@futuresource.com> rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us wrote: > One is that the terminals are a little slow, especially whenever a student exits a program and tries to go back into it. The other replies are focusing on bandwidth, but this seems a little odd to me. Normally a recently-run program would be in disk cache and shouldn't take that much time or bandwidth to load and open its window again. Does this only happen when the server is busy? What kind of disk layout do you have? Is /home on its own drive? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Aug 6 18:18:46 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:18:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow terminals In-Reply-To: <2171A954-D6FF-4462-A7E1-33D382FA3C55@breun.nl> References: <47BF54FA22494E838525FECEDF52DF8E.MAI@schooldesk.net> <1186420431.7124.64.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <46B75C99.9010709@cmosnetworks.com> <1186422751.7124.76.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <2171A954-D6FF-4462-A7E1-33D382FA3C55@breun.nl> Message-ID: <1186424326.7124.81.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 19:59 +0200, Nils Breunese wrote: > James P. Kinney III wrote: > > > On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 13:38 -0400, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > >> James P. Kinney III wrote: > >>> Theoretically, a 1Gbit Nic _should_ handle about 700Mb/s using > >>> standard > >>> ethernet (can't do jumbo frames in 100Mb). You are at the upper > >>> edge of > >>> that limit with 54 clients running. Figure in at least 7Mb/s per > >>> client > >>> just for resting state screen draws. If there is activity (all of > >>> the > >>> games - childsplay, gcompris, tuxmath, tuxtype - are real > >>> bandwidth hogs > >>> and can eat 20Mb/s for each instance). > >>> > >> In support of James's point here, TuxType will actually eat even > >> more--as high as 73Mb/sec per instance. > > > > OUCH!! I have only clocked an aggregate and average. Since tuxtype and > > tuxmath use the same engine I suspect they will be equivalent > > bandwidth > > hogs. > > The bandwidth needed doesn't really depend on the things like > processing power and calculations. It's just the amount of on-screen > activity. Video and fast graphics take up a lot of bandwidth. I have some of the nor-client Jr. machines. They will _NEVER_ be a bandwidth hog. At 200MHz they are the bottleneck on the network :) which is actually a good thing. It prevents any one student from being a screen hog. Unless they are on a terminal window and running a custom written system destroyer python application, those little clients will not destroy the server in terms of load. If all they are supposed to be doing is word processing, spreadsheets and a bit of web surfing, setting the NIC to run at 10Mb will stop all sorts of student shenanigans... > > Nils Breunese. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Mon Aug 6 19:01:07 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:01:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory structure In-Reply-To: <46B72E9F.1000506@peopleplaces.org> References: <46B72E9F.1000506@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <46B76FF3.4040008@bio-chemvalve.com> If you've run ltspadmin ever, it defaults to using /opt/ltsp-4.2 as the installation directory. Once you accept that default, it creates that directory tree (and possibly the /var/ltsp-4.2 directory you're referring to, I'm not sure). Anyway, it happened to me. I accepted the default of /opt/ltsp-4.2 when in fact I should have specified /opt/ltsp. I didn't install anything into the new tree, so I was left with an extra directory tree with no files in it, just like you describe. -Rob Michael Blinn wrote: > Hello K12LTSPers - On my x86_64 v6 box I have both /var/ltsp/ and > /var/ltsp-4.2/ > > /var/ltsp/ has i386/ and i386-1/ for my two subnets, as well a bunch > of other things. > > /var/ltsp-4.2/ seems to be mostly blank, except for directory > structure and a very few files, though the last-modified date is newer > than /var/ltsp/ and has a pkg_cache/ltsp-x-core-1.8-0-i386.tgz file in > it. > > Any idea here? They're not symlinked either way so I'm a little > confused. What is /var/ltsp-4.2/ for? > > Thanks, > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Mon Aug 6 19:04:14 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:04:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP Options In-Reply-To: <43080f460708031843n417643a0o8e641f7f42874df3@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708030944q7800a0d4lc81b0d4a497c6a7a@mail.gmail.com> <46B37E91.30603@paasda.org> <43080f460708031843n417643a0o8e641f7f42874df3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B770AE.1050908@bio-chemvalve.com> Besides the method that Les suggested, you could also run the XDMCP Chooser and let users pick which server to connect to. -Rob Mel Wade wrote: > Let me ask it this way then, > > If I have 2 K12LTSP servers on the same network, how can I direct a client > to connect to a particular server? (DHCP will be handled by a separate > server.) > > Each LTSP server will only have one NIC. > > Mel > > On 8/3/07, Huck wrote: > >> What are the other 2 servers doing? Application servers? >> >> your explanation is severely lacking for anyone to give advice on. >> >> DHCP will not be handled by ANY of the servers? >> how you plan to accomplish that with 3 separate LTSP networks? >> each server(AFAIK) requires knowledge of which clients are attaching to >> them. >> >> --Huck >> >> Mel Wade wrote: >> >>> I'm working on a new install for K12LSTP. >>> >>> We will have three servers on the network. One will be a standard >>> K12LTSP install with 2 NICs. >>> >>> The other two will only be using one NIC and there will be regular >>> clients on the network in addition to LTSP clients. Each server will be >>> in a separate building. I the LTSP clients in Building A to only >>> connect to Server A and LTSP Clients in Building B to only connect to >>> Server B. DHCP will not be handled by the K12LTSP servers but by a >>> separate server (either Win or Linux). >>> >>> Can any one give advice on how to set this up? >>> -- >>> Mel Wade >>> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - >>> BF Skinner >>> http://www.melwade.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Mon Aug 6 19:08:14 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:08:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5EL and Wine In-Reply-To: References: <43080f460707261406s7091e965q2d44dfcc76aea0f9@mail.gmail.com> <46AA44C7.8020307@bio-chemvalve.com> <46AA44F2.4050502@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <46B7719E.1040401@bio-chemvalve.com> If you installed the fontforge package after creating the user's .wine folder, perhaps wine isn't able to pick up the addition of new fonts. Try: rm -rf ~/.wine winecfg and see if that works now that fontforge is installed. -Rob Kemp, Levi wrote: > Ok, I thought I had figured this out but apparently not. The only thing that seems to make a difference is renaming the fonts folder in wine. It then seems to go out and find the system fonts from CentOS, but not all of them. I'm wondering if copying all the TFF files into the .wine fonts folder would fix it? I'll try it when I get home, that's where I've been messing with it for now. I don't want to mess with my server too much before school. Is there a way I can remove and then reinstall wine but showing what may have went wrong? Debug it is what I mean. So I can get a better idea of what might be causing this, I don't think recompiling it made a difference, and neither did installing all the other font packages. Thanks. > > Levi > > _____ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Rob Owens > Sent: Fri 7/27/2007 2:18 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5EL and Wine > > > > By the way, I installed wine from the rpmforge repository. > > -Rob > > Rob Owens wrote: > >> I think I had to install the 'fontforge' package from the rpmforge repo >> in order to get text in my menus in wine. I don't know why fontforge >> isn't considered a dependency of wine, since it seems to be required. >> >> -Rob >> >> Kemp, Levi wrote: >> >> >>> I've switched to using K12LTSP 5EL 32bit and really love it. It seems to >>> be a more stable than 6 was and I've had better luck with integration >>> into AD. Actually everything is working great except I'm having some >>> weird trouble with wine. I've got 5EL installed on my server at school >>> and on my pc at home, reinstalled twice now. But every time it's the >>> same, there is no text in wine. The menus, buttons, etc, are there, but >>> no text. I've checked for font packages but that hasn't seemed to help. >>> Should I ask the Wine list, or the CentOS list? I've always had great >>> luck here so I thought I'd ask you all first. I need it for a couple of >>> legacy windows apps hosted on a file server. They ran great on K12LTSP >>> 6, but I like the release schedule better for EL. Also, I've got another >>> app that won't run under wine, and was considering using a virtual xp >>> setup. Any thoughts on a good way to do that? Or would it just be easier >>> to run a windows terminal server? Thanks. >>> >>> Levi Kemp >>> Technology Specialist >>> Bolivar R-I School District >>> 417-328-8943 >>> lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see > >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Mon Aug 6 19:13:44 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:13:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-7.0.0-i386-BETA5 In-Reply-To: <46B20EDD.3030903@paasda.org> References: <46B10E37.7030106@paasda.org> <46B18817.20601@cmosnetworks.com> <46B1DC64.20404@cox.net> <46B20EDD.3030903@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46B772E8.1050505@bio-chemvalve.com> Huck, Why not just add LTSP 4.2 to a Debian installation then? Debian Etch is fairly up-to-date with its package selection. -Rob Huck wrote: > Luis has echo'd my reasoning... > I have a CentOS4.3 server that I use for staff..and I'm not overly > impressed honestly..yes it has been rock solid...but there have been a > number of things that I've not been able to get to compile(mostly a > lack of time to troubleshoot, so I moved those off to my debian server > that is my TANK ;) > > --Huck > > Luis Montes wrote: >> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >>> Any reason you can't use the new 5.0EL version? It's been solid as >>> a rock for me. >>> >>> --TP >>> _______________________________ >>> Do you GNU!? >>> Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate >>> antivirus protection! >>> >>> >>> Huck wrote: >>>> is this BETA5, pretty much good to go? like the final beta before >>>> release? I've got 10 days before the server MUST be up, and I'm >>>> squeeze'n each one hope'n 7.0 is ready for production even if it >>>> means a plethora of "yum upgrade" in the post-install time. >>>> >>>> --Huck >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> I love centos as a server and 5 is rock solid, but I'd much rather >> use fedora for workstations. I'm in the same situation as some of >> you others on this list, that is, I need to update before school >> starts. If we don't have a choice, I may go with Centos5 or even >> edubuntu (MueKow looks interesting). >> Centos 5 will only get maintenance updates and not the latest and >> greatest software. For example, it uses firefox 1.5 and as far as I >> know will never get updated to 2.0 from the standard repositories. >> >> Luis >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Mon Aug 6 19:32:44 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:32:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Resolution Message-ID: <46B7775C.6030609@peopleplaces.org> I have a test-case for screen resolutions in gnome that isn't working the way I think it should. Let's say I have two terminals with different resolutions set in lts.conf (set using MAC address) I log into terminal one, and I get the default lts.conf resolution (say, 1280x1024) Then, I change the resolution using System->Preferences->Screen Resolution (say, 1024x768) I log out of term1 and into terminal two, and the change I made comes with me, instead of using the default resolution from lts.conf for this MAC Can I prevent this from happening? I think I can remove ~$USER/.gconf/desktop/gnome/screen/default/0/%gconf.xml on logout but will this help? Thanks, Michael From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 20:41:43 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:41:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] backend raid 1, raid 5 or none of the above? Message-ID: <2be970b50708061341u3fc77874r843a23351943d62c@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I am waffling on a question that I hope you all will be able to help me come to a resolution about. Should my backend file storage system be software raid 1 or software raid 5 or non of these? OS is Linux of course. My LTSP server resides on a different machine entirely. I've already setup a RAID5 system with 3 active disks and one hotswap by following a very good howto http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 My final setup uses /dev/md0 in a raid 1 config using 10 Gb to host the OS and mbr and /dev/md1 in a 1 tb raid 5 to host the file system which has been partitioned with separate /home, /tmp , /usr, /var However the more I think about it the more I am worried that I am setting myself for pain in the future. I am thinking about dumping the whole setup and going to raid 1 for the following reasons: 1. My reading tells me that RAID 1 has a longer MTBF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID_1#RAID_1 2. RAID 1 offers redundancy similar to raid5 but also relative simplicity because I can clone one of the disks and keep a copy around in case of problems 3. RAID 1 offers comparable disk read times when compared to RAID 5 On the other hand: RAID 5 offers large volume sizes which we are looking for RAID 5 offers comparable disk read times when compared to RAID 1 RAID 5 doens't offer comparable MTBF rates as RAID as you factor in extra disk RAID 5 may be more complex to administer or rebuild than a "simple" mirror Perhaps if I am such a coward I should go with a single 500 gig disk, and make a backup image with G4U or a hardware disk cloner (which we have) and keep it on hand and do a incremental backup of student files every night (which we intend to do anyway). That way, although students might not have access to their resources for a day, at least I would have a path to recovery that I already understand. As a side note we have frequent power outages do to weather, isolation etc, and I haven't looked into setting up linux to talk to UPS's. Is a raided system more intolerant of having the plug pulled than a normal Linux box running ext3? waffle, waffle, waffle :-) I hope folks will set me straight! Thanks, John From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 6 21:04:55 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:04:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] backend raid 1, raid 5 or none of the above? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50708061341u3fc77874r843a23351943d62c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50708061341u3fc77874r843a23351943d62c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070806205746.M90468@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:41:43 -0700, john wrote > Hi all, > > I am waffling on a question that I hope you all will be able to help > me come to a resolution about. Should my backend file storage system > be software raid 1 or software raid 5 or non of these? OS is Linux of > course. My LTSP server resides on a different machine entirely. For ultimate speed with ultimate reliability I opt for RAID 1+0 or RAID 0+1. RAID 1+0 is a stripe of multiple mirrors, RAID 0+1 is a mirror of multiple stripes. RAID 1+0 can be referred to as RAID 10 and RAID 0+1 can be referred to RAID 01. RAID 5+0 or RAID 50 is a striped set of RAID 5 arrays if you so desire. However RAID 01 and 10 will cost you half of your total space, but if speed and reliability are a must my opinion is these are your best choice. And you still have the ability to loose multiple drives and keep running while you wait for a replacement. For my system for next year I configured RAID 1+0 which is comprised of a stripe of 3 mirrors using a total of six 300GB 15,000RPM 3Gps SAS drives. I hope this will be overkill. The system is built to handle 110 concurrent users, we'll see. HTH Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 7 04:26:26 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:26:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow terminals In-Reply-To: <46B76638.7060909@futuresource.com> References: <47BF54FA22494E838525FECEDF52DF8E.MAI@schooldesk.net> <46B76638.7060909@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <46B7F472.50808@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us wrote: > >> One is that the terminals are a little slow, especially whenever a >> student exits a program and tries to go back into it. > > The other replies are focusing on bandwidth, but this seems a little > odd to me. Normally a recently-run program would be in disk cache and > shouldn't take that much time or bandwidth to load and open its window > again. Does this only happen when the server is busy? What kind of > disk layout do you have? Is /home on its own drive? > See the first response to this thread. :-) --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 7 04:35:41 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:35:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] backend raid 1, raid 5 or none of the above? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50708061341u3fc77874r843a23351943d62c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50708061341u3fc77874r843a23351943d62c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B7F69D.4080302@cmosnetworks.com> john wrote: > Hi all, > > I am waffling on a question that I hope you all will be able to help > me come to a resolution about. Should my backend file storage system > be software raid 1 or software raid 5 or non of these? OS is Linux of > course. My LTSP server resides on a different machine entirely. > > I've already setup a RAID5 system with 3 active disks and one hotswap > by following a very good howto > http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 > > My final setup uses /dev/md0 in a raid 1 config using 10 Gb to host > the OS and mbr > and /dev/md1 in a 1 tb raid 5 to host the file system which has been > partitioned with separate /home, /tmp , /usr, /var > > However the more I think about it the more I am worried that I am > setting myself for pain in the future. I am thinking about dumping the > whole setup and going to raid 1 for the following reasons: > > 1. My reading tells me that RAID 1 has a longer MTBF > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID_1#RAID_1 > > 2. RAID 1 offers redundancy similar to raid5 but also relative > simplicity because I can clone one of the disks and keep a copy around > in case of problems > 3. RAID 1 offers comparable disk read times when compared to RAID 5 > > > On the other hand: > > RAID 5 offers large volume sizes which we are looking for > RAID 5 offers comparable disk read times when compared to RAID 1 > RAID 5 doens't offer comparable MTBF rates as RAID as you factor in extra disk > RAID 5 may be more complex to administer or rebuild than a "simple" mirror > > Perhaps if I am such a coward I should go with a single 500 gig disk, > and make a backup image with G4U or a hardware disk cloner (which we > have) and keep it on hand and do a incremental backup of student files > every night (which we intend to do anyway). That way, although > students might not have access to their resources for a day, at least > I would have a path to recovery that I already understand. > > As a side note we have frequent power outages do to weather, isolation > etc, and I haven't looked into setting up linux to talk to UPS's. Is a > raided system more intolerant of having the plug pulled than a normal > Linux box running ext3? > > > waffle, waffle, waffle :-) > > I hope folks will set me straight! > > Thanks, > > John If I were you, I'd go with hardware RAID 5 with, say, an LSI Logic MegaRAID card or something similar. I imagine that the ability to replace a failed disk quickly--preferably on the fly--is important, since you're considering something like RAID. Others may differ, but I find that, for me, hardware RAID 5 offers the best balance of capacity per disk, speed, quick recovery from a failed disk, and expense. Actually, my own RAID (I built one recently) is a RAID 5 with six SATA disks and an LSI MegaRAID 150-6. It works quite nicely indeed and didn't break the bank. If you need something *very* reliable, then RAID 50 would be your bet. If you need balls-out speed and good reliability, RAID 10 is your bet. --TP From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 7 07:14:19 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 03:14:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin-client manager not working - ideas? Message-ID: Ok, Last issue and I'm going home (it's 3 a.m.) I've just finished getting 2 Edubuntu servers up and running....they are in dhcp-load balance/failover mode (working fine)...clients boot and log in fine, however screen blanking, sharing, and monitoring in thin-client manager is not working. Now...one thing to take into consideration...I am running Samba/LDAP (on another box using the smbldap-installer on Ubuntu server which I also installed this evening) as my point of authentication. It's working fine. (there is one little issue and this may have something to do with it...when I enter... chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 I get a little message about (see below) id: cannot find name for group ID 512 Other than that...everything seems to work fine. Except I can't seem to get full functionality regarding sharing and viewing screens in Thin-Client Manager. I followed the directions in https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients to the letter. I'm at a loss. Anyone got any ideas? What am I missing? I'd really like to get this working ASAP as I need to get ready for the new school year. Thanks! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From sgonzalez at sau83.org Tue Aug 7 11:21:45 2007 From: sgonzalez at sau83.org (Sonja Gonzalez) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin-client manager not working - ideas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <14948318.14361186485705222.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Hi Dave-- Thanks for asking this question. It actually shed light on another problem I'm having with VNC. I'm going to try the directions you referenced. Would you be amenable to a visitor? I'd like to come see what you're doing there in Vassalboro. I know I could be doing better things here and I'm sure you've told us in class, but I guess I'd like to see it in action! I would have to wait until school started... I'm still trying to get set up here. If not, no worries! If you get responses to your question outside the K12OSN list (which is how I got it) can you forward them to me? I'd like to use the thin client manager also. Thanks! Sonja _______________________________ Sonja Gonzalez Director of Technology Ellis School 432 Main Street Fremont, NH 03044 603.895.2511 x603 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Trask" To: edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com, K12OSN at redhat.com, "Matt Oquist" , "Scott Balneaves" Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 3:14:19 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: [K12OSN] Thin-client manager not working - ideas? Ok, Last issue and I'm going home (it's 3 a.m.) I've just finished getting 2 Edubuntu servers up and running....they are in dhcp-load balance/failover mode (working fine)...clients boot and log in fine, however screen blanking, sharing, and monitoring in thin-client manager is not working. Now...one thing to take into consideration...I am running Samba/LDAP (on another box using the smbldap-installer on Ubuntu server which I also installed this evening) as my point of authentication. It's working fine. (there is one little issue and this may have something to do with it...when I enter... chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 I get a little message about (see below) id: cannot find name for group ID 512 Other than that...everything seems to work fine. Except I can't seem to get full functionality regarding sharing and viewing screens in Thin-Client Manager. I followed the directions in https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients to the letter. I'm at a loss. Anyone got any ideas? What am I missing? I'd really like to get this working ASAP as I need to get ready for the new school year. Thanks! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sgonzalez at sau83.org Tue Aug 7 11:23:39 2007 From: sgonzalez at sau83.org (Sonja Gonzalez) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Thin-client manager not working - ideas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <16877568.14391186485819179.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> K12 list-- sorry for my previous email that was to Dave and I should have directed it just to him... not enough coffee yet to avoid the dumb mistakes I guess! Sonja _______________________________ Sonja Gonzalez Director of Technology Ellis School 432 Main Street Fremont, NH 03044 603.895.2511 x603 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Trask" To: edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com, K12OSN at redhat.com, "Matt Oquist" , "Scott Balneaves" Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 3:14:19 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: [K12OSN] Thin-client manager not working - ideas? Ok, Last issue and I'm going home (it's 3 a.m.) I've just finished getting 2 Edubuntu servers up and running....they are in dhcp-load balance/failover mode (working fine)...clients boot and log in fine, however screen blanking, sharing, and monitoring in thin-client manager is not working. Now...one thing to take into consideration...I am running Samba/LDAP (on another box using the smbldap-installer on Ubuntu server which I also installed this evening) as my point of authentication. It's working fine. (there is one little issue and this may have something to do with it...when I enter... chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 I get a little message about (see below) id: cannot find name for group ID 512 Other than that...everything seems to work fine. Except I can't seem to get full functionality regarding sharing and viewing screens in Thin-Client Manager. I followed the directions in https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients to the letter. I'm at a loss. Anyone got any ideas? What am I missing? I'd really like to get this working ASAP as I need to get ready for the new school year. Thanks! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Aug 7 12:28:53 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:28:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin-client manager not working - ideas? In-Reply-To: <16877568.14391186485819179.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> References: <16877568.14391186485819179.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Message-ID: <1186489733.7124.148.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> It was all because of: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070728 :) On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 07:23 -0400, Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > K12 list-- sorry for my previous email that was to Dave and I should have directed it just to him... not enough coffee yet to avoid the dumb mistakes I guess! > > Sonja > > _______________________________ > Sonja Gonzalez > Director of Technology > Ellis School > 432 Main Street > Fremont, NH 03044 > 603.895.2511 x603 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Trask" > To: edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com, K12OSN at redhat.com, "Matt Oquist" , "Scott Balneaves" > Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 3:14:19 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York > Subject: [K12OSN] Thin-client manager not working - ideas? > > Ok, > > Last issue and I'm going home (it's 3 a.m.) I've just finished getting 2 > Edubuntu servers up and running....they are in dhcp-load balance/failover > mode (working fine)...clients boot and log in fine, however screen > blanking, sharing, and monitoring in thin-client manager is not working. > Now...one thing to take into consideration...I am running Samba/LDAP (on > another box using the smbldap-installer on Ubuntu server which I also > installed this evening) as my point of authentication. It's working fine. > (there is one little issue and this may have something to do with > it...when I enter... > > chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 > > I get a little message about (see below) > > id: cannot find name for group ID 512 > > Other than that...everything seems to work fine. Except I can't seem to > get full functionality regarding sharing and viewing screens in > Thin-Client Manager. I followed the directions in > https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients to the letter. I'm > at a loss. Anyone got any ideas? What am I missing? I'd really like to > get this working ASAP as I need to get ready for the new school year. > Thanks! > > David N. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 7 15:05:48 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:05:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] backend raid 1, raid 5 or none of the above? In-Reply-To: <46B7F69D.4080302@cmosnetworks.com> References: <2be970b50708061341u3fc77874r843a23351943d62c@mail.gmail.com> <46B7F69D.4080302@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <46B88A4C.8050506@paasda.org> If backups are your main concern...checkout BackupPC... Then you can mirror the OS... and use BackupPC for /home --Huck Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > john wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I am waffling on a question that I hope you all will be able to help >> me come to a resolution about. Should my backend file storage system >> be software raid 1 or software raid 5 or non of these? OS is Linux of >> course. My LTSP server resides on a different machine entirely. >> >> I've already setup a RAID5 system with 3 active disks and one hotswap >> by following a very good howto >> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 >> >> My final setup uses /dev/md0 in a raid 1 config using 10 Gb to host >> the OS and mbr >> and /dev/md1 in a 1 tb raid 5 to host the file system which has been >> partitioned with separate /home, /tmp , /usr, /var >> >> However the more I think about it the more I am worried that I am >> setting myself for pain in the future. I am thinking about dumping the >> whole setup and going to raid 1 for the following reasons: >> >> 1. My reading tells me that RAID 1 has a longer MTBF >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID_1#RAID_1 >> >> 2. RAID 1 offers redundancy similar to raid5 but also relative >> simplicity because I can clone one of the disks and keep a copy around >> in case of problems >> 3. RAID 1 offers comparable disk read times when compared to RAID 5 >> >> >> On the other hand: >> >> RAID 5 offers large volume sizes which we are looking for >> RAID 5 offers comparable disk read times when compared to RAID 1 >> RAID 5 doens't offer comparable MTBF rates as RAID as you factor in extra disk >> RAID 5 may be more complex to administer or rebuild than a "simple" mirror >> >> Perhaps if I am such a coward I should go with a single 500 gig disk, >> and make a backup image with G4U or a hardware disk cloner (which we >> have) and keep it on hand and do a incremental backup of student files >> every night (which we intend to do anyway). That way, although >> students might not have access to their resources for a day, at least >> I would have a path to recovery that I already understand. >> >> As a side note we have frequent power outages do to weather, isolation >> etc, and I haven't looked into setting up linux to talk to UPS's. Is a >> raided system more intolerant of having the plug pulled than a normal >> Linux box running ext3? >> >> >> waffle, waffle, waffle :-) >> >> I hope folks will set me straight! >> >> Thanks, >> >> John > > If I were you, I'd go with hardware RAID 5 with, say, an LSI Logic > MegaRAID card or something similar. I imagine that the ability to > replace a failed disk quickly--preferably on the fly--is important, > since you're considering something like RAID. Others may differ, but I > find that, for me, hardware RAID 5 offers the best balance of capacity > per disk, speed, quick recovery from a failed disk, and expense. > > Actually, my own RAID (I built one recently) is a RAID 5 with six SATA > disks and an LSI MegaRAID 150-6. It works quite nicely indeed and > didn't break the bank. > > If you need something *very* reliable, then RAID 50 would be your bet. > If you need balls-out speed and good reliability, RAID 10 is your bet. > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 15:18:38 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:18:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] backend raid 1, raid 5 or none of the above? In-Reply-To: <46B88A4C.8050506@paasda.org> References: <2be970b50708061341u3fc77874r843a23351943d62c@mail.gmail.com> <46B7F69D.4080302@cmosnetworks.com> <46B88A4C.8050506@paasda.org> Message-ID: <2be970b50708070818y3da4d63fn434a83ac30bd66f2@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to everyone for the ideas and advice. On 8/7/07, Huck wrote: > If backups are your main concern...checkout BackupPC... > > Then you can mirror the OS... > and use BackupPC for /home > > --Huck > > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > > john wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I am waffling on a question that I hope you all will be able to help > >> me come to a resolution about. Should my backend file storage system > >> be software raid 1 or software raid 5 or non of these? OS is Linux of > >> course. My LTSP server resides on a different machine entirely. > >> > >> I've already setup a RAID5 system with 3 active disks and one hotswap > >> by following a very good howto > >> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 > >> > >> My final setup uses /dev/md0 in a raid 1 config using 10 Gb to host > >> the OS and mbr > >> and /dev/md1 in a 1 tb raid 5 to host the file system which has been > >> partitioned with separate /home, /tmp , /usr, /var > >> > >> However the more I think about it the more I am worried that I am > >> setting myself for pain in the future. I am thinking about dumping the > >> whole setup and going to raid 1 for the following reasons: > >> > >> 1. My reading tells me that RAID 1 has a longer MTBF > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID_1#RAID_1 > >> > >> 2. RAID 1 offers redundancy similar to raid5 but also relative > >> simplicity because I can clone one of the disks and keep a copy around > >> in case of problems > >> 3. RAID 1 offers comparable disk read times when compared to RAID 5 > >> > >> > >> On the other hand: > >> > >> RAID 5 offers large volume sizes which we are looking for > >> RAID 5 offers comparable disk read times when compared to RAID 1 > >> RAID 5 doens't offer comparable MTBF rates as RAID as you factor in extra disk > >> RAID 5 may be more complex to administer or rebuild than a "simple" mirror > >> > >> Perhaps if I am such a coward I should go with a single 500 gig disk, > >> and make a backup image with G4U or a hardware disk cloner (which we > >> have) and keep it on hand and do a incremental backup of student files > >> every night (which we intend to do anyway). That way, although > >> students might not have access to their resources for a day, at least > >> I would have a path to recovery that I already understand. > >> > >> As a side note we have frequent power outages do to weather, isolation > >> etc, and I haven't looked into setting up linux to talk to UPS's. Is a > >> raided system more intolerant of having the plug pulled than a normal > >> Linux box running ext3? > >> > >> > >> waffle, waffle, waffle :-) > >> > >> I hope folks will set me straight! > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> John > > > > If I were you, I'd go with hardware RAID 5 with, say, an LSI Logic > > MegaRAID card or something similar. I imagine that the ability to > > replace a failed disk quickly--preferably on the fly--is important, > > since you're considering something like RAID. Others may differ, but I > > find that, for me, hardware RAID 5 offers the best balance of capacity > > per disk, speed, quick recovery from a failed disk, and expense. > > > > Actually, my own RAID (I built one recently) is a RAID 5 with six SATA > > disks and an LSI MegaRAID 150-6. It works quite nicely indeed and > > didn't break the bank. > > > > If you need something *very* reliable, then RAID 50 would be your bet. > > If you need balls-out speed and good reliability, RAID 10 is your bet. > > > > --TP > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thewhitmers at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 15:34:05 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:34:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] anyone using eBox platform as a Samba PDC? Message-ID: Is anyone on the list using eBox Platform software (http://www.ebox-platform.com/) to run a Samba PDC on their network? If you are, does it work well for handling both domain logins from Windows computers as well as logins from Linux computers? This eBox software looks like it might provide similar capabilities to using the smbldap-installer scripts, only with a web interface (similar to Webmin). (BTW - To avoid possible confusion, this has nothing to do with the ebox mini computers.) Thanks! David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 7 16:22:54 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:22:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Thin-client manager not working - ideas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070807161845.M50761@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 03:14:19 -0400, David Trask wrote > Ok, > > Last issue and I'm going home (it's 3 a.m.) I've just finished getting 2 > Edubuntu servers up and running....they are in dhcp-load balance/failover > mode (working fine)...clients boot and log in fine, however screen > blanking, sharing, and monitoring in thin-client manager is not working. > Now...one thing to take into consideration...I am running Samba/LDAP (on > another box using the smbldap-installer on Ubuntu server which I also > installed this evening) as my point of authentication. I can't get the Thin Client Manager (Or is it now Student Control Panel) working at all either. I can get a list of processes but that is it. Blanking, sharing, monitoring don't work at all. I like you have tried every possible fix I could find with none of them working. I can install x11vnc into /opt/ltsp/i386 and get the errors to go away, but still won't work. I have tried this with single NICs, teamed NICs, 32-bit OS, 64-bit OS, local unix users, ldap users, hopping on one foot and patting my head while trying the above, but nothing works. In my opinion the Thin Client Manager is mostly worthless without the VNC features working and really need to be fixed. Please let me know if you find anyone with a "working" solution. I am running Edubuntu Feisty as I am sure you are. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 7 16:38:49 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:38:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Two positions open at MESD: Server/Network Admin & an Application Developer Message-ID: <46B8A019.9050103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Multnomah Education Service District has two positions open, a Server/Network Admin & an Application Developer. http://www.mesd.k12.or.us/hr/jobopp/jobopp.html http://www.mesd.k12.or.us/hr/jobopp/AJobs/sys_admn_dev_08_07.pdf http://www.mesd.k12.or.us/hr/jobopp/application_develop05_07.pdf We are going to try to fill the sys admin position before school starts. The application dead line is August 10th, so act fast! The app devel position is open until filled. -- Eric Harrison Technology Services Multnomah Education Service District (503)257-1554 cell: (971)998-6249 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 19:14:52 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:14:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: bash help Message-ID: <9bd317560708071214n19064eddn5500f9f5240e3abb@mail.gmail.com> I'm stumped on this one. I need to do a sort uniq on a csv file but only by comparing the first field. Little help? Thanks! Peter From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 7 19:55:00 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:55:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: bash help In-Reply-To: <9bd317560708071214n19064eddn5500f9f5240e3abb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560708071214n19064eddn5500f9f5240e3abb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B8CE14.1060903@futuresource.com> Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm stumped on this one. I need to do a sort uniq on a csv file but > only by comparing the first field. Little help? > sort -u -k1,1 -t, The character following the t is your field separator. I'm not sure if you always get the first or last of the lines that match in the 1st field - better check that if it matters. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From peter at hartmanncomputer.com Tue Aug 7 20:15:29 2007 From: peter at hartmanncomputer.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:15:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: bash help In-Reply-To: <46B8CE14.1060903@futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560708071214n19064eddn5500f9f5240e3abb@mail.gmail.com> <46B8CE14.1060903@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560708071315j38409676x580099b62aeeffd1@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Les! That's awesome to know. On 8/7/07, Les Mikesell wrote: > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I'm stumped on this one. I need to do a sort uniq on a csv file but > > only by comparing the first field. Little help? > > > > sort -u -k1,1 -t, > > The character following the t is your field separator. I'm not sure if > you always get the first or last of the lines that match in the 1st > field - better check that if it matters. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 7 20:32:59 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:32:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: bash help In-Reply-To: <9bd317560708071315j38409676x580099b62aeeffd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560708071214n19064eddn5500f9f5240e3abb@mail.gmail.com> <46B8CE14.1060903@futuresource.com> <9bd317560708071315j38409676x580099b62aeeffd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B8D6FB.9000804@futuresource.com> Peter Hartmann wrote: > Thanks Les! That's awesome to know. The unix sort utility was written to be the only sort you'd ever need for text files or streams but it can get pretty weird if you need the optional character position offsets in the fields, multiple key fields, or some of the other options. And the GNU version is one of many programs where you have to use 'info' instead of man to get the real documentation. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 20:34:43 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:34:43 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] backend raid 1, raid 5 or none of the above? In-Reply-To: <46B7F69D.4080302@cmosnetworks.com> References: <2be970b50708061341u3fc77874r843a23351943d62c@mail.gmail.com> <46B7F69D.4080302@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: > > > If you need something *very* reliable, then RAID 50 would be your bet. > If you need balls-out speed and good reliability, RAID 10 is your bet. > > --TP > How is RAID 50 more reliable than RAID? 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URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 7 21:16:24 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:16:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] backend raid 1, raid 5 or none of the above? In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50708061341u3fc77874r843a23351943d62c@mail.gmail.com> <46B7F69D.4080302@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20070807210858.M32832@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:34:43 +1200, Krsnendu dasa wrote > > > > > > If you need something *very* reliable, then RAID 50 would be your bet. > > If you need balls-out speed and good reliability, RAID 10 is your bet. > > > > --TP > > > How is RAID 50 more reliable than RAID? Doesn't the 0 part add speed not > reliablility? Here is a description of RAID 50 and RAID 05. http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/perf/raid/levels/multLevel05-c.html This should clear up the benefits of either. Short version, RAID 50 is a RAID 0 stripe of RAID 5 arrays. RAID 05 is a RAID 5 array made from RAID 0 stripes. In RAID 50 since you have a stripe of multiple RAID 5's you get more fault tolerance (can loose a drive from both arrays and still function), and the striping should provide improved speeds. HTH Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 7 22:00:40 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:00:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Thin-client manager not working - ideas? In-Reply-To: <20070807161845.M50761@winonacotter.org> References: <20070807161845.M50761@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: I'm truly curious....I'm unsure as to which log file to "tail" in order to see what's happening. I've been playing with ITALC and they have a thin-client provision, but I'm not sure if it's "MueKow" aware (for lack of a better term", but now that I have had my marathon server(s) setup session, I can now concentrate more on the "fun" stuff. Keep chucking suggestions at me and I'll keep trying to find out why. "Jim Kronebusch" writes: > >I can't get the Thin Client Manager (Or is it now Student Control Panel) >working at all >either. I can get a list of processes but that is it. Blanking, >sharing, monitoring >don't work at all. I like you have tried every possible fix I could find >with none of >them working. I can install x11vnc into /opt/ltsp/i386 and get the >errors to go away, >but still won't work. I have tried this with single NICs, teamed NICs, >32-bit OS, >64-bit OS, local unix users, ldap users, hopping on one foot and patting >my head while >trying the above, but nothing works. In my opinion the Thin Client >Manager is mostly >worthless without the VNC features working and really need to be fixed. > >Please let me know if you find anyone with a "working" solution. I am >running Edubuntu >Feisty as I am sure you are. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 7 22:05:41 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:05:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Thin-client manager not working - ideas? In-Reply-To: References: <20070807161845.M50761@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <46B8ECB5.7010704@paasda.org> I've put ITALC on all the PC's we've deployed this summer...it's great! Haven't tried on the Linux side and definitely not on the LTSP side... is the fl_teachertool setup no longer working? --Huck David Trask wrote: > I'm truly curious....I'm unsure as to which log file to "tail" in order to > see what's happening. I've been playing with ITALC and they have a > thin-client provision, but I'm not sure if it's "MueKow" aware (for lack > of a better term", but now that I have had my marathon server(s) setup > session, I can now concentrate more on the "fun" stuff. Keep chucking > suggestions at me and I'll keep trying to find out why. > > > "Jim Kronebusch" writes: >> I can't get the Thin Client Manager (Or is it now Student Control Panel) >> working at all >> either. I can get a list of processes but that is it. Blanking, >> sharing, monitoring >> don't work at all. I like you have tried every possible fix I could find >> with none of >> them working. I can install x11vnc into /opt/ltsp/i386 and get the >> errors to go away, >> but still won't work. I have tried this with single NICs, teamed NICs, >> 32-bit OS, >> 64-bit OS, local unix users, ldap users, hopping on one foot and patting >> my head while >> trying the above, but nothing works. In my opinion the Thin Client >> Manager is mostly >> worthless without the VNC features working and really need to be fixed. >> >> Please let me know if you find anyone with a "working" solution. I am >> running Edubuntu >> Feisty as I am sure you are. > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 8 00:22:42 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:22:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Thin-client manager not working - ideas? In-Reply-To: <46B8ECB5.7010704@paasda.org> References: < > <20070807161845.M50761@winonacotter.org> < > <46B8ECB5.7010704@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Haven't tried on the Linux side and definitely not on the LTSP side... >is the fl_teachertool setup no longer working? Yes..it does, but I'm trying things out with Edubuntu. fl_teachetool rocks! Thin-client manager is also cool....I've had ti working on a simple test system (standard install no changes from default)....I'm having issues on my production system. I'm planning to use ITALC for my Edubuntu workstations (hard drive installs), but am curious about it's feasibility on thin-clients > David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 8 04:43:17 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 23:43:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Thin-client manager not working - ideas? In-Reply-To: References: < > <20070807161845.M50761@winonacotter.org> < > <46B8ECB5.7010704@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20070808044118.M95211@winonacotter.org> > Yes..it does, but I'm trying things out with Edubuntu. fl_teachetool > rocks! Thin-client manager is also cool....I've had ti working on a > simple test system (standard install no changes from default)....I'm > having issues on my production system. I'm planning to use ITALC for my > Edubuntu workstations (hard drive installs), but am curious about it's > feasibility on thin-clients ITALC could be cool with the cross-platform compatibility. One central management point for all workstations be them thin, fat, OSX, Win, Linux would be very cool. Sounds too good to be true :-) But definitely worth trying. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 8 15:09:35 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:09:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Thin-client manager not working - ideas? In-Reply-To: <20070808044118.M95211@winonacotter.org> References: < > <20070807161845.M50761@winonacotter.org> < > <46B8ECB5.7010704@paasda.org> <20070808044118.M95211@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <46B9DCAF.4000009@paasda.org> You know for my setup... I use K12LTSP server for all student machines... windows(eth1) and thin clients(eth0)... that would just rock Jim!! I don't care about the Macs, cuz the teacher for that lab doesn't enforce the computer use policies anyway... --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> Yes..it does, but I'm trying things out with Edubuntu. fl_teachetool >> rocks! Thin-client manager is also cool....I've had ti working on a >> simple test system (standard install no changes from default)....I'm >> having issues on my production system. I'm planning to use ITALC for my >> Edubuntu workstations (hard drive installs), but am curious about it's >> feasibility on thin-clients > > ITALC could be cool with the cross-platform compatibility. One central management point > for all workstations be them thin, fat, OSX, Win, Linux would be very cool. Sounds too > good to be true :-) But definitely worth trying. > From peter at hartmanncomputer.com Thu Aug 9 00:51:38 2007 From: peter at hartmanncomputer.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:51:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: bash help In-Reply-To: <46B8D6FB.9000804@futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560708071214n19064eddn5500f9f5240e3abb@mail.gmail.com> <46B8CE14.1060903@futuresource.com> <9bd317560708071315j38409676x580099b62aeeffd1@mail.gmail.com> <46B8D6FB.9000804@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560708081751w6dca9a6cs21cf0534cc689526@mail.gmail.com> Wow I never knew about 'info'...thanks! Sort is totally freaking awesome. I wanted to remove lines in my csv where the certain fields in a given row were blank (names this time). So I did the same command: sort -u -k83,83 -t, And all the blank fields, being non-unique, got removed and removed the lines in the csv! I wonder if they ever intended it to be used that way or if it was a happy accident or 'haxident' as I like to call them. :) Thanks again, Peter On 8/7/07, Les Mikesell wrote: > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Thanks Les! That's awesome to know. > > The unix sort utility was written to be the only sort you'd ever need > for text files or streams but it can get pretty weird if you need the > optional character position offsets in the fields, multiple key fields, > or some of the other options. And the GNU version is one of many > programs where you have to use 'info' instead of man to get the real > documentation. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 9 03:20:24 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:20:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba and windows themes.. Message-ID: <46BA87F8.2030501@paasda.org> How to ensure that WinXP is the theme users get on login to the domain? I keep getting the 'classic' Win2K looking theme...and don't see any options of setting it back. --Huck From robark at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 06:53:37 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:53:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] noatime mount option for better performance Message-ID: Just read this http://kerneltrap.org/node/14148 Wondering if anyone has added noatime to /etc/fstab mount options for extra performance? Sounds like it might make a big difference on a terminal server. I don't care about /tmp being cleaned out automatically (as you can wipe out /tmp on a reboot anyway) and I don't think any of us are using HSM (Hierarchical Storage Management). -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From nadavkav at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 09:38:46 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:38:46 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] noatime mount option for better performance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4219988b0708090238w67fc74fcwe858d11061d84b4c@mail.gmail.com> very interesting :-) i know this issue for some time but i was not brave enough to try it. because i'm not sure what service or application it will break on the system. and how much benefit it really has on the performance ? how would you suggest we try it ? On 8/9/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Just read this > http://kerneltrap.org/node/14148 > Wondering if anyone has added noatime to /etc/fstab mount options for > extra performance? Sounds like it might make a big difference on a > terminal server. > > I don't care about /tmp being cleaned out automatically (as you can > wipe out /tmp on a reboot anyway) and I don't think any of us are > using HSM (Hierarchical Storage Management). > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Aug 9 13:06:26 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:06:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] noatime mount option for better performance In-Reply-To: <4219988b0708090238w67fc74fcwe858d11061d84b4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4219988b0708090238w67fc74fcwe858d11061d84b4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1186664786.7124.285.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 12:38 +0300, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > very interesting :-) > > i know this issue for some time but i was not brave enough to > try it. because i'm not sure what service or application it will break > on the system. and how much benefit it really has on the performance ? From a performance aspect, the potential in LTSP is huge. Everytime a client reads a file that runs the user interface, a disk write must also happen if atime is on. From a standpoint of system control, do you _really_ need to know when someone read a file? Maybe in a high-security environment but in a school? > > how would you suggest we try it ? Currently most system use mount options as defaults which are default options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async so change an fstab line from LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults 1 2 to: LABEL=/home /home ext3 rw,suid,dev,exec,auto,nouser,async,noatime 1 2 It is highly recommended that flash drives always be mounted with noatime as their write count is limited. > > On 8/9/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Just read this > > http://kerneltrap.org/node/14148 > > Wondering if anyone has added noatime to /etc/fstab mount options for > > extra performance? Sounds like it might make a big difference on a > > terminal server. > > > > I don't care about /tmp being cleaned out automatically (as you can > > wipe out /tmp on a reboot anyway) and I don't think any of us are > > using HSM (Hierarchical Storage Management). > > > > -- > > Robert Arkiletian > > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced) Changing password for root (current) NT password: Enter new NT password: Retype new NT password: BAD PASSWORD: it is WAY too short I know what you are thinking, hey, why didn't you leave root logged in so you could check it and make changes in case. Well, my new librarian was cleaning in her closet and accidentally turned off my LTSP server and my Vexira anti-virus definitions server. I'm on the point of freaking out here, what do I need to do to recover? Thanks a ton, you guys have always been a huge help. Levi Kemp Bolivar R-1 Schools -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3178 bytes Desc: not available URL: From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Aug 9 15:34:36 2007 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:34:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with sed script! Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420F0C111@hhpmail.media.local> I'm trying to get a sed script put together to cleanup newlines in an ldifde export file before I import it back into my new AD forest (I am migrating all the Exchange contacts between domains). What I have is this (and other variations of the line wrap): member: CN=Joan/Joseph Brunori,OU=SortMe,OU=E-mail Address Book,OU=Prep,DC=MEDIA,DC=LO CAL I need to get rid of the " " and newline after member (which pulls up the CN row) and then get rid of the newline that sometimes breaks up the end of the row. So basically, these member: entries should begin with: Member: and end with LOCAL. I don't care if the script makes two passes (one to fix the member, then the other to fix the other newline). I've got to get that imported so I can migrate the exchange mailboxes tonight! Yuck!! 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Tim From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 9 16:06:59 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:06:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Login Problem From Pam_Mount In-Reply-To: References: <4219988b0708090238w67fc74fcwe858d11061d84b4c@mail.gmail.com> <1186664786.7124.285.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <46BB3BA3.6080406@paasda.org> I had this occur when I tried using the LDAP setup.... I went back to the old school method =) --Huck Kemp, Levi wrote: > I've got a bit of a problem. I set up pam_mount but something went wrong. All my AD users can still log on, but they have to enter their password twice and they get an error about ownership of their /home directory. This isn't half my problem though. I cannot log in as root. It tells me this. > > You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced) > Changing password for root > (current) NT password: > Enter new NT password: > Retype new NT password: > BAD PASSWORD: it is WAY too short > > I know what you are thinking, hey, why didn't you leave root logged in so you could check it and make changes in case. Well, my new librarian was cleaning in her closet and accidentally turned off my LTSP server and my Vexira anti-virus definitions server. I'm on the point of freaking out here, what do I need to do to recover? Thanks a ton, you guys have always been a huge help. > > Levi Kemp > Bolivar R-1 Schools > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 16:25:38 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:25:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] noatime mount option for better performance In-Reply-To: <1186664786.7124.285.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <4219988b0708090238w67fc74fcwe858d11061d84b4c@mail.gmail.com> <1186664786.7124.285.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: On 8/9/07, James P. Kinney III wrote: > From a performance aspect, the potential in LTSP is huge. Everytime a > client reads a file that runs the user interface, a disk write must also > happen if atime is on. From a standpoint of system control, do you > _really_ need to know when someone read a file? Maybe in a high-security > environment but in a school? Exactly. > Currently most system use mount options as defaults which are > default options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async > > so change an fstab line from > LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults 1 2 > to: > LABEL=/home /home ext3 rw,suid,dev,exec,auto,nouser,async,noatime 1 2 > How about just LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults,noatime 1 2 also (for clarity) other mount points would benefit too. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 16:42:58 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:42:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Login Problem From Pam_Mount In-Reply-To: References: <4219988b0708090238w67fc74fcwe858d11061d84b4c@mail.gmail.com> <1186664786.7124.285.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50708090942p5e459f70s2fcfb7526f9e9db4@mail.gmail.com> Hi Levi, You should probably try to boot into the server in single user mode and try to work your fix there. Google "grub single user" or "lilo single user" and follow the directions. Hopefully you have a backup of your pam.d directory if not you may want to look through your .bash_history file to try and reconstruct where you may have gone wrong. At the very least you can probably remove or comment out the pam_mount directives until you get this sorted. HTH, John On 8/9/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > I've got a bit of a problem. I set up pam_mount but something went wrong. All my AD users can still log on, but they have to enter their password twice and they get an error about ownership of their /home directory. This isn't half my problem though. I cannot log in as root. It tells me this. > > You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced) > Changing password for root > (current) NT password: > Enter new NT password: > Retype new NT password: > BAD PASSWORD: it is WAY too short > > I know what you are thinking, hey, why didn't you leave root logged in so you could check it and make changes in case. Well, my new librarian was cleaning in her closet and accidentally turned off my LTSP server and my Vexira anti-virus definitions server. I'm on the point of freaking out here, what do I need to do to recover? Thanks a ton, you guys have always been a huge help. > > Levi Kemp > Bolivar R-1 Schools > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 9 16:50:58 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:50:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Login Problem From Pam_Mount In-Reply-To: <2be970b50708090942p5e459f70s2fcfb7526f9e9db4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4219988b0708090238w67fc74fcwe858d11061d84b4c@mail.gmail.com> <1186664786.7124.285.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <2be970b50708090942p5e459f70s2fcfb7526f9e9db4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46BB45F2.6060901@paasda.org> this is exactly the kind of situation where BackupPC has saved my tail! after a few saves I started making copies of the original files before editing...or commenting out original lines and adding modifications. --Huck john wrote: > Hi Levi, > > You should probably try to boot into the server in single user mode > and try to work your fix there. Google "grub single user" or "lilo > single user" and follow the directions. Hopefully you have a backup of > your pam.d directory if not you may want to look through your > .bash_history file to try and reconstruct where you may have gone > wrong. At the very least you can probably remove or comment out the > pam_mount directives until you get this sorted. > > HTH, > > John > > On 8/9/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: >> I've got a bit of a problem. I set up pam_mount but something went wrong. All my AD users can still log on, but they have to enter their password twice and they get an error about ownership of their /home directory. This isn't half my problem though. I cannot log in as root. It tells me this. >> >> You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced) >> Changing password for root >> (current) NT password: >> Enter new NT password: >> Retype new NT password: >> BAD PASSWORD: it is WAY too short >> >> I know what you are thinking, hey, why didn't you leave root logged in so you could check it and make changes in case. Well, my new librarian was cleaning in her closet and accidentally turned off my LTSP server and my Vexira anti-virus definitions server. I'm on the point of freaking out here, what do I need to do to recover? Thanks a ton, you guys have always been a huge help. >> >> Levi Kemp >> Bolivar R-1 Schools >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robark at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 17:26:34 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:26:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] noatime mount option for better performance In-Reply-To: References: <4219988b0708090238w67fc74fcwe858d11061d84b4c@mail.gmail.com> <1186664786.7124.285.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: On 8/9/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 8/9/07, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > From a performance aspect, the potential in LTSP is huge. Everytime a > > client reads a file that runs the user interface, a disk write must also > > happen if atime is on. From a standpoint of system control, do you > > _really_ need to know when someone read a file? Maybe in a high-security > > environment but in a school? > > Exactly. > > > Currently most system use mount options as defaults which are > > default options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async > > > > so change an fstab line from > > LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults 1 2 > > to: > > LABEL=/home /home ext3 rw,suid,dev,exec,auto,nouser,async,noatime 1 2 > > > > How about just > LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults,noatime 1 2 > also (for clarity) other mount points would benefit too. > Here are some interesting links http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Disk_Optimization http://www.ghidinelli.com/2006/01/17/postgres-812-benchmarks/ http://www.ghidinelli.com/workspace/postgres/postgres_20060116.html I'm weighing the risk vs benefit of data=writeback -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From timlegge at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 17:27:02 2007 From: timlegge at gmail.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:27:02 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with sed script! In-Reply-To: References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420F0C111@hhpmail.media.local> Message-ID: > Hi > > I like sed but the easiest way might be to open in gvim and do a > search and replace of \n for nothing. > Hi I had a few minutes so: sed '/^$/d' filename will remove the blank lines (all blank lines in the file). If you are particular (only the ones after member) you need cat filename | perl -lp0e 's/DC=LO\n.*CAL/DC=LOCAL\n/g' will combine the lines (if the break is at LO) sed operates only on one line at a lime. Perl in paragraph mode can combine the lines... tim From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 9 17:42:33 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:42:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with sed script! In-Reply-To: References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420F0C111@hhpmail.media.local> Message-ID: <46BB5209.2080804@futuresource.com> Timothy Legge wrote: > cat filename | perl -lp0e 's/DC=LO\n.*CAL/DC=LOCAL\n/g' > > will combine the lines (if the break is at LO) > > sed operates only on one line at a lime. Perl in paragraph mode can > combine the lines... Sed does have a way to do things like that with hold and get operations across multiple lines, but the syntax is fairly insane compared to perl. And sed is another program where you need to use info instead of man for the real documentation - or google for sed and holding space for some examples. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 9 18:04:20 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:04:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Login Problem From Pam_Mount In-Reply-To: References: <4219988b0708090238w67fc74fcwe858d11061d84b4c@mail.gmail.com> <1186664786.7124.285.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <20070809175859.M52087@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:31:27 -0500, Kemp, Levi wrote > I've got a bit of a problem. I set up pam_mount but something went wrong. All > my AD users can still log on, but they have to enter their password twice and > they get an error about ownership of their /home directory. This isn't half my > problem though. I cannot log in as root. It tells me this. I can't remember the Fedora particulars but in Ubuntu when you see grub loading you hit escape to get the grub boot menu then choose the recovery mode for your most current kernel. When logged into single user mode vim /etc/nsswitch.conf and change the passwd, group and shadow to list "files" listed first then "ldap". Then your local /etc/passwd and such will take priority over LDAP. HTH Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 9 18:16:38 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:16:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba and windows themes.. In-Reply-To: <46BA87F8.2030501@paasda.org> References: <46BA87F8.2030501@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46BB5A06.5060406@paasda.org> blah...nevermind...just seems that connecting to the domain defaults to some classic theme..and each individual can still 'choose' a theme in the control panel. would still rather have the default XP theme by default. --huck Huck wrote: > How to ensure that WinXP is the theme users get on login to the domain? > > I keep getting the 'classic' Win2K looking theme...and don't see any > options of setting it back. > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mel at melwade.com Thu Aug 9 18:17:46 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:17:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? Message-ID: <43080f460708091117q79ddcad3r4b70719cb4245ab9@mail.gmail.com> When will beta 6 be out? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 9 18:26:51 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:26:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? In-Reply-To: <43080f460708091117q79ddcad3r4b70719cb4245ab9@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708091117q79ddcad3r4b70719cb4245ab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46BB5C6B.4010305@paasda.org> I'd go with 6.0 if you plan on being ready for the school start. I've had to buckle under and do the same...just finished the SAMBA setup and now the little worker dude is join'n all to domain. --Huck Mel Wade wrote: > When will beta 6 be out? > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mel at melwade.com Thu Aug 9 18:29:43 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:29:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? In-Reply-To: <46BB5C6B.4010305@paasda.org> References: <43080f460708091117q79ddcad3r4b70719cb4245ab9@mail.gmail.com> <46BB5C6B.4010305@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43080f460708091129k73473fdbke0ecdcd94285a9c6@mail.gmail.com> I may even go with the 5EL then... On 8/9/07, Huck wrote: > > I'd go with 6.0 if you plan on being ready for the school start. > I've had to buckle under and do the same...just finished the SAMBA setup > and now the little worker dude is join'n all to domain. > > --Huck > > Mel Wade wrote: > > When will beta 6 be out? > > > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > > BF Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Aug 9 18:30:17 2007 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:30:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba and windows themes.. In-Reply-To: <46BB5A06.5060406@paasda.org> References: <46BA87F8.2030501@paasda.org> <46BB5A06.5060406@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46BB16E9.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> There is a way to do this. It will come up to the default theme the first time a user logs in and will stay that way until they change it. If you use DriveShield, Deepfreeze or similar, you can make this the default every time they login and eventually they will realize their changes are fuitility at it's best and they won't bother anymore. . . worked for us. . . Dou Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Huck 8/9/2007 1:16 PM >>> blah...nevermind...just seems that connecting to the domain defaults to some classic theme..and each individual can still 'choose' a theme in the control panel. would still rather have the default XP theme by default. --huck Huck wrote: > How to ensure that WinXP is the theme users get on login to the domain? > > I keep getting the 'classic' Win2K looking theme...and don't see any > options of setting it back. > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From monteslu at cox.net Thu Aug 9 20:22:08 2007 From: monteslu at cox.net (monteslu at cox.net) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:22:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? Message-ID: <22297586.1186690928790.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> I have k12ltsp5EL & edubuntu discs sitting in front of me, and school starts on Monday. As much as I love fedora, redhat hasn't done much to help integrate Muekow. I'm gonna give edubuntu a shot. 1 smbldap server 2 edubuntu servers 70 thin clients. I'll report on my success or failure. Luis ---- Mel Wade wrote: > I may even go with the 5EL then... > > On 8/9/07, Huck wrote: > > > > I'd go with 6.0 if you plan on being ready for the school start. > > I've had to buckle under and do the same...just finished the SAMBA setup > > and now the little worker dude is join'n all to domain. > > > > --Huck > > > > Mel Wade wrote: > > > When will beta 6 be out? > > > > > > -- > > > Mel Wade > > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > > > BF Skinner > > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 9 21:13:26 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:13:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? In-Reply-To: <22297586.1186690928790.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> References: <22297586.1186690928790.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <20070809211040.M94910@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:22:08 -0700, monteslu wrote > I have k12ltsp5EL & edubuntu discs sitting in front of me, and school starts > on Monday. > > As much as I love fedora, redhat hasn't done much to help integrate Muekow. > I'm gonna give edubuntu a shot. > > 1 smbldap server > 2 edubuntu servers > 70 thin clients. > > I'll report on my success or failure. You'll really like Edubuntu. Download the modified LDM and enable LDM_DIRECTX=true in lts.conf for faster screen speeds. FYI the Thin Client Manager (Edubuntu's TeacherTool) has some major issues at the moment, any VNC related features do not work. Other than that Edubuntu is great. If it helps you can steal the needed pieces from this tutorial for setting up LDAP authentication for your Edubuntu servers: http://www.1-cs.com/ubuntu_ldap_howto.txt Good luck. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Thu Aug 9 23:24:51 2007 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:24:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Working on Netware home drive mounting utility... Anybody interested? Message-ID: <46BB6A030200003C00000FD2@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Hi Everybody, For anybody who remembers me (or cares), it's good to be back. I have switched jobs (working for a large metro district now instead of the old middle-of-corn-field one) and talked them into piloting two LTSP labs. We run a netware environment and my boss is adamant about the students being able to access their home directories from the labs. This raised an interesting problem since I have never been able to get NovelClient working on k12ltsp (or anything else... most likely since it was written for FC2 and earlier). Ncpmount is out there and at least works, but there aren't any other front ends for it (at least that I know of). My idea was to create a script that does sort of a contextless login and queries ldap to find the user's fqn and home directory, then conjure up all the other required parameters for ncpmount. I have kind of a proof-of-concept going that we are using successfully in the tech dept (as I try to win converts to linux), but I would like to get it to the point where it would be just a package that can get installed as part of K12LTSP. I have been programming for many years now, but it has been mostly in languages I am not proud of (*cough* ms). I am writing this in python (which has been amazingly easy to pick up) using zenity as a gui but am pretty new to it, so it may be a little rough. It works pretty good with our environment, but like I said, it isn't much right now and isn't very scalable yet, so it needs plenty of work before it is ready to go out for testing. So I have two questions: Anybody out there want to help? (I am in particular need of guidance in packaging and gui design, although anybody that wants to help in any capacity is welcome) Will anybody else out there use this if I do GPL and distribute it (basically is it worth spending my free time at home to do so)? -Joe Joe Korzeniewski Network Administrator Battle Creek Public Schools p. 269-965-9667 c. 269-209-9677 From robark at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 00:11:07 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:11:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? In-Reply-To: <20070809211040.M94910@winonacotter.org> References: <22297586.1186690928790.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> <20070809211040.M94910@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On 8/9/07, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > lts.conf for faster screen speeds. FYI the Thin Client Manager (Edubuntu's TeacherTool) > has some major issues at the moment, any VNC related features do not work. Other than > that Edubuntu is great. > Hopefully, I can make a version of fl_teachertool for Edubuntu. BTW in addition to the thumbnail views the next version of fl_teachertool is going to have language support with a simple .h string template file. So far I have french and english. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Aug 10 01:24:28 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:24:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs Message-ID: <55688.192.168.254.3.1186709068.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello List, Just run into a snafoo on the new Winders Vista ( Business edition)machines we have purchased at school. I am not seeing the samba home folders, on the Vista machines. Now I'm scrambling trying to find a fix for this. Anyone else run into this? I found the following link as a starting point but this is not exactly what I m running into. K12LTSP v 4.4.1 This setup is working fine on Winders 2000 and XP boxes. Wish it was a 'perfect' K12LTSP world and all were Linux,,:) Here's the one link that is closest to my prob: https://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=660925&SiteID=1 Thanks Barry Cisna westcentral school From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 10 01:32:21 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:32:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <55688.192.168.254.3.1186709068.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <55688.192.168.254.3.1186709068.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46BBC025.6030107@paasda.org> can you do a net use h: \SERVERNAME\HOME\U% ? from the command line? Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Just run into a snafoo on the new Winders Vista ( Business > edition)machines we have purchased at school. I am not seeing the samba > home folders, on the Vista machines. Now I'm scrambling trying to find a > fix for this. Anyone else run into this? I found the following link as a > starting point but this is not exactly what I m running into. > K12LTSP v 4.4.1 > This setup is working fine on Winders 2000 and XP boxes. > Wish it was a 'perfect' K12LTSP world and all were Linux,,:) > > Here's the one link that is closest to my prob: > > https://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=660925&SiteID=1 > > Thanks > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From timlegge at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 02:22:31 2007 From: timlegge at gmail.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:22:31 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with sed script! In-Reply-To: <46BB5209.2080804@futuresource.com> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420F0C111@hhpmail.media.local> <46BB5209.2080804@futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 8/9/07, Les Mikesell wrote: > Sed does have a way to do things like that with hold and get operations > across multiple lines, but the syntax is fairly insane compared to perl. > And sed is another program where you need to use info instead of man > for the real documentation - or google for sed and holding space for > some examples. Because it is possible: Join LOCAL: sed -n '/DC=LO/!{p;b};s/ *$//;h;n;s/^ *//;x;G;s/\n//p' filename ;-) save the following to a file and execute with the filename to process as the parameter. sed -n ' # print line and branch to end only for non matching lines /DC=LO/!{p;b} # remove trailing spaces s/ *$// # store the current line h # read next line destroying current line n # remove reading spaces s/^ *// # swap the current line and stored line x # append the new stored line to the current line G # remove embedded new line s/\n//p ' $2 note that I had to use sed's -n and manually print because otherwise it seemed to print both the original and new line (there is probably a simple solution). tim From timlegge at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 02:27:08 2007 From: timlegge at gmail.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:27:08 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with sed script! In-Reply-To: References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420F0C111@hhpmail.media.local> <46BB5209.2080804@futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 8/9/07, Timothy Legge wrote: > sed -n ' > # print line and branch to end only for non matching lines > /DC=LO/!{p;b} > # remove trailing spaces > s/ *$// > # store the current line > h > # read next line destroying current line > n > # remove reading spaces > s/^ *// > # swap the current line and stored line > x > # append the new stored line to the current line > G > # remove embedded new line > s/\n//p > ' $2 replace the $2 with $1 my command line originally included the DC=LO string... Tim From monteslu at cox.net Fri Aug 10 02:56:07 2007 From: monteslu at cox.net (monteslu at cox.net) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:56:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? Message-ID: <26214304.1186714567100.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> One day in and I've had some success and some extreme frustration. First the good stuff: Install went fine. Thin clients immediately booted up. The latest smbldap client script connected me right up. Now the problems: sudo... I guess it's better than switching to root like I've always done with redhat, but why does it only work on the server for GUI apps? The lts.conf is not nearly as nice as the one on k12ltsp. In fact, it's almost empty. I have no idea what the new variables are. The top of the file says I can read a gzipped example conf, but it doesn't exist on the server or in any repo that I can tell. Sound still doesn't work for me in flash on a client and the only adobe flash thing i can see in the repo is the plugin itself. Luis ---- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:22:08 -0700, monteslu wrote > > I have k12ltsp5EL & edubuntu discs sitting in front of me, and school starts > > on Monday. > > > > As much as I love fedora, redhat hasn't done much to help integrate Muekow. > > I'm gonna give edubuntu a shot. > > > > 1 smbldap server > > 2 edubuntu servers > > 70 thin clients. > > > > I'll report on my success or failure. > > You'll really like Edubuntu. Download the modified LDM and enable LDM_DIRECTX=true in > lts.conf for faster screen speeds. FYI the Thin Client Manager (Edubuntu's TeacherTool) > has some major issues at the moment, any VNC related features do not work. Other than > that Edubuntu is great. > > If it helps you can steal the needed pieces from this tutorial for setting up LDAP > authentication for your Edubuntu servers: > > http://www.1-cs.com/ubuntu_ldap_howto.txt > > Good luck. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Fri Aug 10 12:18:30 2007 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:18:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? In-Reply-To: <26214304.1186714567100.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> References: <26214304.1186714567100.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <46BC1F56.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Luis, I am a ubuntu lover as far as desktops, so naturally I tried out edubuntu when I got my new TSs. I share your disappointment. It looked pretty and all, but as far as functionality, K12LTSP is far more polished. I have to give credit to the people who have been working on the K12LTSP distro since I didn't realize all the things that go into it until I used something without. The fact that you can get a new session using vnc instead of just remote control, FL_Teachertool, shortcuts for all the most needed software and tons of wiki documentation makes k12 a tough act to follow. With that said, if you are dead set on using edubuntu, you can always set the password to use the root account using the command sudo passwd. Sudo is only for command line, gksudo is the GUI equivalent. Your lts.conf frustration could be because it is using ltsp5, which is far different from 4.x. You should be able to find documentation on the ltsp website. -Joe Joe Korzeniewski Network Administrator Battle Creek Public Schools p. 269-965-9667 c. 269-209-9677 >>> 08/09/07 10:56 PM >>> One day in and I've had some success and some extreme frustration. First the good stuff: Install went fine. Thin clients immediately booted up. The latest smbldap client script connected me right up. Now the problems: sudo... I guess it's better than switching to root like I've always done with redhat, but why does it only work on the server for GUI apps? The lts.conf is not nearly as nice as the one on k12ltsp. In fact, it's almost empty. I have no idea what the new variables are. The top of the file says I can read a gzipped example conf, but it doesn't exist on the server or in any repo that I can tell. Sound still doesn't work for me in flash on a client and the only adobe flash thing i can see in the repo is the plugin itself. Luis ---- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:22:08 -0700, monteslu wrote > > I have k12ltsp5EL & edubuntu discs sitting in front of me, and school starts > > on Monday. > > > > As much as I love fedora, redhat hasn't done much to help integrate Muekow. > > I'm gonna give edubuntu a shot. > > > > 1 smbldap server > > 2 edubuntu servers > > 70 thin clients. > > > > I'll report on my success or failure. > > You'll really like Edubuntu. Download the modified LDM and enable LDM_DIRECTX=true in > lts.conf for faster screen speeds. FYI the Thin Client Manager (Edubuntu's TeacherTool) > has some major issues at the moment, any VNC related features do not work. Other than > that Edubuntu is great. > > If it helps you can steal the needed pieces from this tutorial for setting up LDAP > authentication for your Edubuntu servers: > > http://www.1-cs.com/ubuntu_ldap_howto.txt > > Good luck. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Aug 10 12:19:23 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:19:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs Message-ID: <56914.216.24.126.67.1186748363.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Huck, I tried the net use h: \servername\home\u% I get error 67, "the the network name can not be found" On the Xp boxes ,of course i get " the network name is already in use" I can ping the fileserver by name and ip address from the Vista machines FYI. The winders firewall is turned off on the Vista machines as well. Any ideas? Thanks, Barry Cisna From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 13:00:11 2007 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:00:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dilbert OS Comic Message-ID: <464c38cc0708100600h3f6edc69t7267184b04dabc93@mail.gmail.com> Thought you folks might find this amusing on a Friday. http://www.comics.com/webmail/ViewStrip?key=55656539-e1181436c0-FF Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 10 13:27:13 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:27:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? In-Reply-To: <26214304.1186714567100.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> References: <26214304.1186714567100.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: Sound works fine in flash....go here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ near the bottom for the fix...piece of cake. I have it working well. also on the Edubuntu site either in the docs or the wiki you'll find the lts.conf variables. I recently (last week) got two servers (Edubuntu) with dhcp/load balance and failover along with a Samba/LDAP server using smbldap-installer....up and running. It was so easy it was anti-climactic. I'm still a K12LTSP fan and have been since the beginning (I've used it at our school since September 2001...in earnest)...however, I really like where Ubuntu and Edubuntu are headed. The MueKow way of doing things is the way of the future....there are still some bugs, but each new release just gets SO MUCH better. I would love to see the Redhat/Fedora folks really get their act together and go nuts with K12LTSP, but it ain't happening yet...at least publicly. There will be MAJOR new advances in Gutsy (the next release) that should speed things up tremendously. Once booted the terminals are fine....no diffs between K12LTSP and Edubuntu.....it's the booting that takes a bit. Be sure to use Gideon Romms patched LDM for your current Edubuntu installation. I think it's here http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp/download/gadi%40ltsp.org-20070521205254-ek710bofdpdtlwlz/x_Matt_Zimmerman_%3Cmatt.zimmerman%40canonical.com%3E_Tue_Jun__7_19%3A59%3A49_2005_32192.0/ldm and do this: > Replace your current "/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm" with the new file (you may want to > backup your current ldm just to be safe). The in "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" add the > following line: > > LDM_DIRECTX=True Hope this all helps! :-) "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >One day in and I've had some success and some extreme frustration. > >First the good stuff: > >Install went fine. >Thin clients immediately booted up. >The latest smbldap client script connected me right up. > >Now the problems: > >sudo... I guess it's better than switching to root like I've always done >with redhat, but why does it only work on the server for GUI apps? >The lts.conf is not nearly as nice as the one on k12ltsp. In fact, it's >almost empty. I have no idea what the new variables are. The top of the >file says I can read a gzipped example conf, but it doesn't exist on the >server or in any repo that I can tell. >Sound still doesn't work for me in flash on a client and the only adobe >flash thing i can see in the repo is the plugin itself. > >Luis > > >---- Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:22:08 -0700, monteslu wrote >> > I have k12ltsp5EL & edubuntu discs sitting in front of me, and school >starts >> > on Monday. >> > >> > As much as I love fedora, redhat hasn't done much to help integrate >Muekow. >> > I'm gonna give edubuntu a shot. >> > >> > 1 smbldap server >> > 2 edubuntu servers >> > 70 thin clients. >> > >> > I'll report on my success or failure. >> >> You'll really like Edubuntu. Download the modified LDM and enable >LDM_DIRECTX=true in >> lts.conf for faster screen speeds. FYI the Thin Client Manager >(Edubuntu's TeacherTool) >> has some major issues at the moment, any VNC related features do not >work. Other than >> that Edubuntu is great. >> >> If it helps you can steal the needed pieces from this tutorial for >setting up LDAP >> authentication for your Edubuntu servers: >> >> http://www.1-cs.com/ubuntu_ldap_howto.txt >> >> Good luck. >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >> Department, and is believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From monteslu at cox.net Fri Aug 10 14:16:47 2007 From: monteslu at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:16:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? In-Reply-To: References: <26214304.1186714567100.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <46BC734F.3040602@cox.net> Thanks for the help, everyone. Only thing I need now is the load balancing part to get back to where I was with k12ltsp. Any tips or pointers to documentation of how you did it? In k12ltsp, I just load balanced by poining half the workstations at a different server using lts.conf, but that doesn't cover failover. I'm not really so much set on edubuntu as I am getting a working Muekow install before school starts up next week. Luis David Trask wrote: > Sound works fine in flash....go here > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ > > near the bottom for the fix...piece of cake. I have it working well. > also on the Edubuntu site either in the docs or the wiki you'll find the > lts.conf variables. I recently (last week) got two servers (Edubuntu) > with dhcp/load balance and failover along with a Samba/LDAP server using > smbldap-installer....up and running. It was so easy it was > anti-climactic. I'm still a K12LTSP fan and have been since the beginning > (I've used it at our school since September 2001...in earnest)...however, > I really like where Ubuntu and Edubuntu are headed. The MueKow way of > doing things is the way of the future....there are still some bugs, but > each new release just gets SO MUCH better. I would love to see the > Redhat/Fedora folks really get their act together and go nuts with > K12LTSP, but it ain't happening yet...at least publicly. There will be > MAJOR new advances in Gutsy (the next release) that should speed things up > tremendously. Once booted the terminals are fine....no diffs between > K12LTSP and Edubuntu.....it's the booting that takes a bit. Be sure to > use Gideon Romms patched LDM for your current Edubuntu installation. > > I think it's here > > http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp/download/gadi%40ltsp.org-20070521205254-ek710bofdpdtlwlz/x_Matt_Zimmerman_%3Cmatt.zimmerman%40canonical.com%3E_Tue_Jun__7_19%3A59%3A49_2005_32192.0/ldm > > and do this: > > >> Replace your current "/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm" with the new file >> > (you may want to > >> backup your current ldm just to be safe). The in >> > "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" add the > >> following line: >> >> LDM_DIRECTX=True >> > > Hope this all helps! :-) > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >> One day in and I've had some success and some extreme frustration. >> >> First the good stuff: >> >> Install went fine. >> Thin clients immediately booted up. >> The latest smbldap client script connected me right up. >> >> Now the problems: >> >> sudo... I guess it's better than switching to root like I've always done >> with redhat, but why does it only work on the server for GUI apps? >> The lts.conf is not nearly as nice as the one on k12ltsp. In fact, it's >> almost empty. I have no idea what the new variables are. The top of the >> file says I can read a gzipped example conf, but it doesn't exist on the >> server or in any repo that I can tell. >> Sound still doesn't work for me in flash on a client and the only adobe >> flash thing i can see in the repo is the plugin itself. >> >> Luis >> >> >> ---- Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:22:08 -0700, monteslu wrote >>> >>>> I have k12ltsp5EL & edubuntu discs sitting in front of me, and school >>>> >> starts >> >>>> on Monday. >>>> >>>> As much as I love fedora, redhat hasn't done much to help integrate >>>> >> Muekow. >> >>>> I'm gonna give edubuntu a shot. >>>> >>>> 1 smbldap server >>>> 2 edubuntu servers >>>> 70 thin clients. >>>> >>>> I'll report on my success or failure. >>>> >>> You'll really like Edubuntu. Download the modified LDM and enable >>> >> LDM_DIRECTX=true in >> >>> lts.conf for faster screen speeds. FYI the Thin Client Manager >>> >> (Edubuntu's TeacherTool) >> >>> has some major issues at the moment, any VNC related features do not >>> >> work. Other than >> >>> that Edubuntu is great. >>> >>> If it helps you can steal the needed pieces from this tutorial for >>> >> setting up LDAP >> >>> authentication for your Edubuntu servers: >>> >>> http://www.1-cs.com/ubuntu_ldap_howto.txt >>> >>> Good luck. >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >>> Department, and is believed to be clean. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > > From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Fri Aug 10 14:34:18 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:34:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <55688.192.168.254.3.1186709068.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <55688.192.168.254.3.1186709068.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46BC776A.5090901@bio-chemvalve.com> Could you just share /home instead? Then all your users would need to click on "home" and then click on their name in a big long list of names. You could share [homes] and then share /home as [SorryVistaUsers] so that you don't inconvenience all the XP and 2000 users. -Rob Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Just run into a snafoo on the new Winders Vista ( Business > edition)machines we have purchased at school. I am not seeing the samba > home folders, on the Vista machines. Now I'm scrambling trying to find a > fix for this. Anyone else run into this? I found the following link as a > starting point but this is not exactly what I m running into. > K12LTSP v 4.4.1 > This setup is working fine on Winders 2000 and XP boxes. > Wish it was a 'perfect' K12LTSP world and all were Linux,,:) > > Here's the one link that is closest to my prob: > > https://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=660925&SiteID=1 > > Thanks > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 10 15:26:55 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:26:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <56914.216.24.126.67.1186748363.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <56914.216.24.126.67.1186748363.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46BC83BF.1000902@paasda.org> net use * /d that command should delete any network mappings you have... and do you have in smb.conf the line that the comments say is for Windows 95 machines to join the domain turned to YES ? I think it is 'domain logons = yes' It should be YES...because it isn't just for Win '95 boxes at all, and they really should change that comment someday... You say you have it working with your 2k and XP boxes though...hrmph... and that link you posted shows that most of those people's problem was with the firmware of their NAS devices.. Having only had to set up 3 Vista Home machines for some real estate clients...I haven't had to setup any 'real' networking(just wireless), so I'm shooting from the hip here.. Can you browse to the LTSP server like you would in XP..'view entire network' -> Microsoft Windows Network -> LTSPSERVER -> [list of shares] ?? Now you have me worried as Vista was slated to replace the XP lab 2008-2009 school year... --Huck Barry Cisna wrote: > Huck, > > I tried the net use h: \servername\home\u% > I get error 67, "the the network name can not be found" > On the Xp boxes ,of course i get " the network name is already in use" > I can ping the fileserver by name and ip address from the Vista machines FYI. > The winders firewall is turned off on the Vista machines as well. > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 10 15:42:58 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:42:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? In-Reply-To: References: <22297586.1186690928790.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> <20070809211040.M94910@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20070810154120.M66243@winonacotter.org> > Hopefully, I can make a version of fl_teachertool for Edubuntu. > BTW in addition to the thumbnail views the next version of > fl_teachertool is going to have language support with a simple .h > string template file. So far I have french and english. Could you have that version for Edubuntu ready by September :-) You would be my hero if TeacherTool ran on Edubuntu. I'll wait. As of now David Trask says he has screen viewing in TCM working. Hopefully that will provide some sort of use in the meantime. Thanks, Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mel at melwade.com Fri Aug 10 18:32:19 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0EL-64 won't burn to DVD Message-ID: <43080f460708101132w7b3b39c5hdbdc0a664daf2e51@mail.gmail.com> I've downloaded the DVD iso for 5.0EL and it's too large for the DVD. Anyone know a solution for this? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Fri Aug 10 19:10:24 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:10:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0EL-64 won't burn to DVD In-Reply-To: <43080f460708101132w7b3b39c5hdbdc0a664daf2e51@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708101132w7b3b39c5hdbdc0a664daf2e51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46BCB820.3090802@bio-chemvalve.com> Get a bigger dvd? Just kidding. Maybe something's wrong with the iso file. You could try rsync'ing it, so that hopefully the file will be corrected (if it is indeed corrupt) without having to download the entire iso image again. I forget the path for the rsync server, but I'm pretty sure I saw someone post it in the last month or so. -Rob Mel Wade wrote: > I've downloaded the DVD iso for 5.0EL and it's too large for the DVD. > Anyone know a solution for this? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 10 19:46:44 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:46:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? In-Reply-To: <46BC734F.3040602@cox.net> References: <26214304.1186714567100.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> <46BC734F.3040602@cox.net> Message-ID: Are your Edubuntu servers going to be the DHCP servers for the network? For this they'll need to be....if so....then I can send you my dhcp config to show you how to do it. Basically how it works.... 2 Edubuntu servers (both with one NIC) connected to the LAN One is the primary and the other the secondard Both server the exact same range, but an algorithm sets it up so first one answers and then the other In a perfect world...if you have a lab of 20 machines....10 will get their address from server A and 10 from server B (I've tested this and it is the case, but then the users show up and there are more machines) If Server A goes down....Server B hands out ALL the IP addresses until Server A comes back online. From an Edubuntu or LTSP standpoint....since the TC's get their "image" from the server they get their DHCP from in this case....the load gets split in half as TC#1 boots from Server A...TC#2 boots from Server B...and so on. Works slick! Luis Montes writes: >Thanks for the help, everyone. > >Only thing I need now is the load balancing part to get back to where I >was with k12ltsp. Any tips or pointers to documentation of how you did it? >In k12ltsp, I just load balanced by poining half the workstations at a >different server using lts.conf, but that doesn't cover failover. > >I'm not really so much set on edubuntu as I am getting a working Muekow >install before school starts up next week. > > >Luis > >David Trask wrote: >> Sound works fine in flash....go here >> >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ >> >> near the bottom for the fix...piece of cake. I have it working well. >> also on the Edubuntu site either in the docs or the wiki you'll find the >> lts.conf variables. I recently (last week) got two servers (Edubuntu) >> with dhcp/load balance and failover along with a Samba/LDAP server using >> smbldap-installer....up and running. It was so easy it was >> anti-climactic. I'm still a K12LTSP fan and have been since the >beginning >> (I've used it at our school since September 2001...in >earnest)...however, >> I really like where Ubuntu and Edubuntu are headed. The MueKow way of >> doing things is the way of the future....there are still some bugs, but >> each new release just gets SO MUCH better. I would love to see the >> Redhat/Fedora folks really get their act together and go nuts with >> K12LTSP, but it ain't happening yet...at least publicly. There will be >> MAJOR new advances in Gutsy (the next release) that should speed things >up >> tremendously. Once booted the terminals are fine....no diffs between >> K12LTSP and Edubuntu.....it's the booting that takes a bit. Be sure to >> use Gideon Romms patched LDM for your current Edubuntu installation. >> >> I think it's here >> >> >http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp/download/gadi%40ltsp.org-20070521205254-ek710bofdpdtlwlz/x_Matt_Zimmerman_%3Cmatt.zimmerman%40canonical.com%3E_Tue_Jun__7_19%3A59%3A49_2005_32192.0/ldm >> >> and do this: >> >> >>> Replace your current "/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm" with the new file >>> >> (you may want to >> >>> backup your current ldm just to be safe). The in >>> >> "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" add the >> >>> following line: >>> >>> LDM_DIRECTX=True >>> >> >> Hope this all helps! :-) >> >> "Support list for open source software in schools." >> writes: >> >>> One day in and I've had some success and some extreme frustration. >>> >>> First the good stuff: >>> >>> Install went fine. >>> Thin clients immediately booted up. >>> The latest smbldap client script connected me right up. >>> >>> Now the problems: >>> >>> sudo... I guess it's better than switching to root like I've always >done >>> with redhat, but why does it only work on the server for GUI apps? >>> The lts.conf is not nearly as nice as the one on k12ltsp. In fact, it's >>> almost empty. I have no idea what the new variables are. The top of the >>> file says I can read a gzipped example conf, but it doesn't exist on >the >>> server or in any repo that I can tell. >>> Sound still doesn't work for me in flash on a client and the only >adobe >>> flash thing i can see in the repo is the plugin itself. >>> >>> Luis >>> >>> >>> ---- Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:22:08 -0700, monteslu wrote >>>> >>>>> I have k12ltsp5EL & edubuntu discs sitting in front of me, and school >>>>> >>> starts >>> >>>>> on Monday. >>>>> >>>>> As much as I love fedora, redhat hasn't done much to help integrate >>>>> >>> Muekow. >>> >>>>> I'm gonna give edubuntu a shot. >>>>> >>>>> 1 smbldap server >>>>> 2 edubuntu servers >>>>> 70 thin clients. >>>>> >>>>> I'll report on my success or failure. >>>>> >>>> You'll really like Edubuntu. Download the modified LDM and enable >>>> >>> LDM_DIRECTX=true in >>> >>>> lts.conf for faster screen speeds. FYI the Thin Client Manager >>>> >>> (Edubuntu's TeacherTool) >>> >>>> has some major issues at the moment, any VNC related features do not >>>> >>> work. Other than >>> >>>> that Edubuntu is great. >>>> >>>> If it helps you can steal the needed pieces from this tutorial for >>>> >>> setting up LDAP >>> >>>> authentication for your Edubuntu servers: >>>> >>>> http://www.1-cs.com/ubuntu_ldap_howto.txt >>>> >>>> Good luck. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>> dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >>>> Department, and is believed to be clean. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Director >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> >> > David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From mel at melwade.com Fri Aug 10 21:03:00 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:03:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0EL-64 won't burn to DVD In-Reply-To: <46BCB820.3090802@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <43080f460708101132w7b3b39c5hdbdc0a664daf2e51@mail.gmail.com> <46BCB820.3090802@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <43080f460708101403n608589a2v95446fb676caa16@mail.gmail.com> I've actually downloaded it twice, and I've got the ISO on a windows box, so I'm not sure the resync would work. Mel On 8/10/07, Rob Owens wrote: > > Get a bigger dvd? Just kidding. > > Maybe something's wrong with the iso file. You could try rsync'ing it, > so that hopefully the file will be corrected (if it is indeed corrupt) > without having to download the entire iso image again. I forget the > path for the rsync server, but I'm pretty sure I saw someone post it in > the last month or so. > > -Rob > > Mel Wade wrote: > > I've downloaded the DVD iso for 5.0EL and it's too large for the DVD. > > Anyone know a solution for this? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 10 21:10:15 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:10:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0EL-64 won't burn to DVD In-Reply-To: <43080f460708101403n608589a2v95446fb676caa16@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708101132w7b3b39c5hdbdc0a664daf2e51@mail.gmail.com> <46BCB820.3090802@bio-chemvalve.com> <43080f460708101403n608589a2v95446fb676caa16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46BCD437.9060309@paasda.org> try cygwin Mel... gives you those lovely *nix command utilites on a windows machine. --Huck Mel Wade wrote: > I've actually downloaded it twice, and I've got the ISO on a windows > box, so I'm not sure the resync would work. > > Mel > > On 8/10/07, *Rob Owens * > wrote: > > Get a bigger dvd? Just kidding. > > Maybe something's wrong with the iso file. You could try rsync'ing it, > so that hopefully the file will be corrected (if it is indeed corrupt) > without having to download the entire iso image again. I forget the > path for the rsync server, but I'm pretty sure I saw someone post it in > the last month or so. > > -Rob > > Mel Wade wrote: > > I've downloaded the DVD iso for 5.0EL and it's too large for the > DVD. > > Anyone know a solution for this? > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 10 21:09:38 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:09:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0EL-64 won't burn to DVD In-Reply-To: <43080f460708101403n608589a2v95446fb676caa16@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708101132w7b3b39c5hdbdc0a664daf2e51@mail.gmail.com> <46BCB820.3090802@bio-chemvalve.com> <43080f460708101403n608589a2v95446fb676caa16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0708101409o22d11e9av9d4cf3ff1ac3ea75@mail.gmail.com> It may just need a dual-layer disc. The 5.0.0-EL-64bit is 8 (!) CDs, so that adds up. 7 * 650MB ~= 4.7GB -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 On 8/10/07, Mel Wade wrote: > I've actually downloaded it twice, and I've got the ISO on a windows box, so > I'm not sure the resync would work. > > Mel > > > On 8/10/07, Rob Owens wrote: > > Get a bigger dvd? Just kidding. > > > > Maybe something's wrong with the iso file. You could try rsync'ing it, > > so that hopefully the file will be corrected (if it is indeed corrupt) > > without having to download the entire iso image again. I forget the > > path for the rsync server, but I'm pretty sure I saw someone post it in > > the last month or so. > > > > -Rob > > > > Mel Wade wrote: > > > I've downloaded the DVD iso for 5.0EL and it's too large for the DVD. > > > Anyone know a solution for this? > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Aug 10 21:39:02 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:39:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs Message-ID: <1186781942.755.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello List People, I found this MS Vista hack. I'll report on Monday if this is an actual fix for the Vista problem I reported .It looks as if in this link that if you have Samba 3.0 or greater you shouldn't have to do this hack, though? Hope this may help some other poor soul that is Winders bound. http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/codemonkeybusiness/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270746 Barry Cisna westcentral school From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Aug 11 04:48:26 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:48:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0EL-64 won't burn to DVD In-Reply-To: <43080f460708101132w7b3b39c5hdbdc0a664daf2e51@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708101132w7b3b39c5hdbdc0a664daf2e51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46BD3F9A.9050308@cmosnetworks.com> Here's a workaround. Consider copying the contents of that DVD to a local FTP server. Then, do your installation from that FTP server. That's how I do all of my installs, and it does work well. Matter of fact, I find it generally faster than doing installs from DVD's. You'd only need the first CD to start the installation. That's only 170MB. At the boot prompt, just type "linux askmethod" and plug in the information. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Mel Wade wrote: > I've downloaded the DVD iso for 5.0EL and it's too large for the DVD. > Anyone know a solution for this? > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Aug 12 15:53:03 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:53:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNC stopped working Message-ID: <44454.192.168.254.3.1186933983.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Mark, In your /etc/hosts file make sure you have an entry for ,,, 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost This entry disappeared on me a couple versions back, a couple of times, on FC and gave these results. It may have done the same on EL5.0 Give it a look. Take Care Barry Cisna westcentral school From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Aug 12 15:58:07 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:58:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNC stopped working Message-ID: <50776.192.168.254.3.1186934287.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Mark, Forgot to add, do the following in a terminal: ps aux | grep vnc You should get something very similar to the below: ]$ ps aux | grep vnc nobody 4803 0.0 0.3 8392 1756 ? Ss Aug09 0:01 /usr/bin/Xvnc -inetd -once -query localhost -fp unix/:7100 -SecurityTypes None -geometry 1024x768 -depth 16 If you don't get a return like this, vnc is not functioning correctly for some reason. Barry Cisna From cwt137 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 18:12:04 2007 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] need help with proxy Message-ID: <196637.54115.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, I'm trying to setup a proxy server using k12ltsp. I would not only like to filter pages based on url, but by content. I looked at the FAQ and the wiki page, but the docs look outdated and don't look to be correct. I was able to get the proxy working but, it isn't doing any filtering. Does anyone have any pointers for me? Thanks. Chris From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Aug 12 22:41:45 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:41:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] need help with proxy Message-ID: <57563.192.168.254.3.1186958505.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Chris, If you are using K12LTSP ( FCx ) just do ADD/Remove Software above Applications menu. Add Squid and DanGuardian and Webmin ( rpms)This will install several dependencies as well. Or from a terminal do: yum -y install Squid DanGuardian webmin This combination will work right from the getgo with no configuring. Once you have these installed , get familiar with Webmin and setup DG to update its url blacklist every 24 hrs. Squidguard will work as well, but it takes some editing of the config's to make it work.Webmin gives you are very user friendly interface to DG. Sidenote:You have to download the plugin for DG to Webmin,as DG is not a default plugin for Webmin. Hope this helps. Take Care Barry Cisna From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Aug 12 23:19:36 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:19:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0.1EL test images, Was: 5.0EL-64 won't burn to DVD In-Reply-To: <1186864860.7124.398.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <43080f460708101132w7b3b39c5hdbdc0a664daf2e51@mail.gmail.com> <1186864860.7124.398.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <46BF9588.9010001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> James P. Kinney III wrote: > If you need a hard version you MUST use a dual-layer DVD as it is too > big for a single. > > > > On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 11:32 -0700, Mel Wade wrote: >> I've downloaded the DVD iso for 5.0EL and it's too large for the DVD. >> Anyone know a solution for this? >> >> -- >> Mel Wade >> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - >> BF Skinner >> http://www.melwade.com I built new K12LTSP 5.0EL iso that are couple hundred megs smaller (I removed the books on clustered file systems, xen, etc). All of the latest upgrade packages are included. I have not tested these at all yet, so downloader beware ;-) -Eric 32 bit: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/32-bit/iso/ ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/32-bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/32-bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/32-bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.1EL/32-bit/iso/ . rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.1EL/32-bit/dvd/ . 64 bit: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/64-bit/iso/ ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/64-bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/64-bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/64-bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.1EL/64-bit/iso/ . rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.1EL/64-bit/dvd/ . From mel at melwade.com Sun Aug 12 23:39:46 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:39:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0.1EL test images, Was: 5.0EL-64 won't burn to DVD In-Reply-To: <46BF9588.9010001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460708101132w7b3b39c5hdbdc0a664daf2e51@mail.gmail.com> <1186864860.7124.398.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <46BF9588.9010001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43080f460708121639x13a12739ld7dc27a7238da771@mail.gmail.com> Kudos... > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 11:32 -0700, Mel Wade wrote: > >> I've downloaded the DVD iso for 5.0EL and it's too large for the DVD. > >> Anyone know a solution for this? > >> > >> -- > >> Mel Wade > >> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > >> BF Skinner > >> http://www.melwade.com > > > I built new K12LTSP 5.0EL iso that are couple hundred megs smaller (I > removed the books on clustered file systems, xen, etc). > > All of the latest upgrade packages are included. > > I have not tested these at all yet, so downloader beware ;-) > > -Eric > > > 32 bit: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/32-bit/iso/ > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/32-bit/dvd/ > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/32-bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/32-bit/dvd/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.1EL/32-bit/iso/ . > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.1EL/32-bit/dvd/ . > > > > 64 bit: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/64-bit/iso/ > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/64-bit/dvd/ > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/64-bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.1EL/64-bit/dvd/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.1EL/64-bit/iso/ . > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.1EL/64-bit/dvd/ . > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From peter at hartmanncomputer.com Mon Aug 13 12:43:13 2007 From: peter at hartmanncomputer.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:43:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows computer can't find internet In-Reply-To: <20070813052808.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.c0cb502ba3.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070813052808.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.c0cb502ba3.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560708130543v22be56a3j5b2807c8770387f0@mail.gmail.com> Try this.... https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-April/msg00012.html Peter On 8/13/07, willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org wrote: > Hi All, > > I just did fresh installation of 6.0 32bit, from DVD. I stuck with the > default installation. My server has two nics. I have comcast cable > internet. The clients boot up fine, the internet works on the server and > the clients, but the Windows computers I have hitched up to the switch can't > seem to find the internet. I've been using k12ltsp for a few years now, but > for some reason can't figure this one out. I have the firewall enabled on > the k12 server. Could this be the problem. Any Ideas? Thanks! > > Will > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Aug 13 14:36:04 2007 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:36:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC stopped working Message-ID: <46C06C54.9070909@honeygroveisd.net> An update to this... When I try "service vncserver start" from the command line I get "Starting VNC server: no displays configured". It seems that a configuration file has been messed up somewhere along the lines. I don't know what the magic is that connect VNC to the login manager in K12LTSP, so I'm at a loss. Any pointers? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin." -- Mark Twain From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Aug 13 14:51:12 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:51:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs Message-ID: <57965.216.24.126.67.1187016672.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello List, I tried the vista hack i posted previously. This did not fix the samba drives connection prob. Also on the Vista boxes they are not syncing the time to the Windows DC time server. I am getting " A required privilege is not held by the client" when manually trying to sync the vista boxes to the Windows 2003 server time service?:(...uggh.. Still scratching. take Care Barry Cisna From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 15:08:40 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:08:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC stopped working In-Reply-To: <46C06C54.9070909@honeygroveisd.net> References: <46C06C54.9070909@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <200708131108.40691.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Monday 13 August 2007 10:36, Mark Cockrell wrote: > An update to this... > When I try "service vncserver start" from the command line I get > "Starting VNC server: no displays configured". It seems that a > configuration file has been messed up somewhere along the lines. I > don't know what the magic is that connect VNC to the login manager in > K12LTSP, so I'm at a loss. Any pointers? > Make sure you have the package "vnc-ltsp-config" installed. This invokes Xvnc from xinetd rather than from the vncserver "service". BTW this means that you also have to have xinetd running and the /etc/xinetd.d/vncts service enabled. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 15:15:39 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:15:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <57965.216.24.126.67.1187016672.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <57965.216.24.126.67.1187016672.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <2be970b50708130815n5465d7e0yfd8702be89954301@mail.gmail.com> Hi Barry, If you haven't already searched the archives of the SAMBA list you should give it a shot. Do "samba vista problems" over at google groups and see what you get. I've seen a number of questions come up about VISTA on that list. hth, John On 8/13/07, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > I tried the vista hack i posted previously. This did not fix the samba > drives connection prob. Also on the Vista boxes they are not syncing the > time to the Windows DC time server. I am getting " A required privilege is > not held by the client" when manually trying to sync the vista boxes to > the Windows 2003 server time service?:(...uggh.. > Still scratching. > > take Care > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Aug 13 15:34:47 2007 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:34:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC stopped working In-Reply-To: <200708131108.40691.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <46C06C54.9070909@honeygroveisd.net> <200708131108.40691.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46C07A17.1080709@honeygroveisd.net> John Lucas wrote: > On Monday 13 August 2007 10:36, Mark Cockrell wrote: > >> An update to this... >> When I try "service vncserver start" from the command line I get >> "Starting VNC server: no displays configured". It seems that a >> configuration file has been messed up somewhere along the lines. I >> don't know what the magic is that connect VNC to the login manager in >> K12LTSP, so I'm at a loss. Any pointers? >> >> > > Make sure you have the package "vnc-ltsp-config" installed. This invokes Xvnc > from xinetd rather than from the vncserver "service". BTW this means that you > also have to have xinetd running and the /etc/xinetd.d/vncts service enabled. > > Thanks for your reply John, but as far as I can tell that package is installed. I did a "yum remove vnc-ltsp-config" followed but a "yum install vnc-ltsp-config" hoping that might change something, but it didn't seem to. This is a remote server and I use VNC a lot on it, so I'm open to any suggestions at this point. Thanks. C-ya, Mark ____ Shrimps' hearts are in their heads. From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 13 15:46:02 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:46:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC stopped working In-Reply-To: <46C07A17.1080709@honeygroveisd.net> References: <46C06C54.9070909@honeygroveisd.net> <200708131108.40691.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <46C07A17.1080709@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <46C07CBA.5050502@futuresource.com> Mark Cockrell wrote: >>> An update to this... >>> When I try "service vncserver start" from the command line I get >>> "Starting VNC server: no displays configured". It seems that a >>> configuration file has been messed up somewhere along the lines. I >>> don't know what the magic is that connect VNC to the login manager in >>> K12LTSP, so I'm at a loss. Any pointers? >>> >>> >> >> Make sure you have the package "vnc-ltsp-config" installed. This >> invokes Xvnc from xinetd rather than from the vncserver "service". BTW >> this means that you also have to have xinetd running and the >> /etc/xinetd.d/vncts service enabled. >> >> > Thanks for your reply John, but as far as I can tell that package is > installed. I did a "yum remove vnc-ltsp-config" followed but a "yum > install vnc-ltsp-config" hoping that might change something, but it > didn't seem to. This is a remote server and I use VNC a lot on it, so > I'm open to any suggestions at this point. Thanks. vncserver is a different thing, so it's not going to start anything unless you configure some screens to start and always remain running. Is xinetd running and is the vncts service enabled in its file under /etc/xinetd.d/vncts? If you are using this yourself for administration instead of using it for a lot of user sessions, you might like freenx and the NX client better. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Aug 13 16:09:29 2007 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:09:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: VNC stopped working In-Reply-To: <20070813160030.10AE473391@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070813160030.10AE473391@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <46C08239.1030500@honeygroveisd.net> > > vncserver is a different thing, so it's not going to start anything > unless you configure some screens to start and always remain running. > Is xinetd running and is the vncts service enabled in its file under > /etc/xinetd.d/vncts? > > If you are using this yourself for administration instead of using it > for a lot of user sessions, you might like freenx and the NX client > better. > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell at gmail.com > "Service xinetd status" returns "xinetd (pid 3181) is running..." so I assume it is running. The /etc/xinetd.d/vncts file reference earlier appears to be correct. I've been using VNC on this machine for a couple of months and it just stopped on Saturday. We all know thing rarely "just stop" so the truth probably is that I messed something up while doing something else. I just haven't been able to figure out what. C-ya, Mark ____ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. From karisue at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 20:42:39 2007 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:42:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap question ... "this is bad" Message-ID: Hello, When I run the smbldap-configure script, it goes along nicely until I get to this: Backing up "/etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf" at "/etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf-Mon_Aug_13_15_48_38_2007.bak" failure! I'm stopping here because this is bad. Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. 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Executable for slapcat found: /usr/sbin/slapcat Executable for slapd found: /usr/sbin/slapd Executable for smbd found: /usr/sbin/smbd Executable for smbldap-populate found: /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate smbusers: using /etc/samba/smbusers openldap_ldap.conf: using /etc/ldap/ldap.conf slapd.conf: using /etc/ldap/slapd.conf fedora_slapd.pid: using /var/run/slapd.pid (guessed) back_bdb.so: using /usr/lib/ldap/back_bdb.so etc_ldap.conf: using /etc/ldap.conf cosine.schema: using /etc/ldap/schema/cosine.schema ubuntu_libnss_ldap.conf: using /etc/libnss-ldap.conf samba.schema: using /etc/ldap/schema/samba.schema smbldap_bind.conf: using /etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap_bind.conf core.schema: using /etc/ldap/schema/core.schema smb.conf: using /etc/samba/smb.conf ubuntu_pam_ldap.conf: using /etc/pam_ldap.conf DB_CONFIG: using /var/lib/ldap/DB_CONFIG inetorgperson.schema: using /etc/ldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema nis.schema: using /etc/ldap/schema/nis.schema smbldap.conf: using /etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf Unable to read answers input file (/kari/Desktop/smbldap-installer/smbldap- configure.answers). 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The clients boot up fine, the internet works on the server > and the clients, but the Windows computers I have hitched up to the > switch can't seem to find the internet. I've been using k12ltsp for a > few years now, but for some reason can't figure this one out. I have > the firewall enabled on the k12 server. Could this be the problem. Any > Ideas? Thanks! > > Will > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Aug 14 02:25:47 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:25:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how do I add a driver to client In-Reply-To: <46BFFE03.6020108@icsptk.org> References: <46BFFE03.6020108@icsptk.org> Message-ID: <1187058347.15601.41.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> The rpm command won't work that way as there is no rpm in the LTSP tree. What you can do is to get a version of the module compiled using the same build libs and kernel as the LTSP kernel and lib (the stuff in /opt/ltsp...) and manually put it in the proper module directory. One done, edit the modules list in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc and make sure the module is listed correctly. You will need to know the PCI ID string. In order to get this string, you may need to use a bootable system like Knoppix or a smaller system like puppy linux so you can get to a working lspci command. It may work to use the --relocate OLDPATH=NEWPATH flag for rpm. rpm -i --relocate /=/opt/ltsp/i386 filename.rpm The problem with that is you will have a listing for having that package installed on the host machine when you really don't. I recommend using the manual process. On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 15:45 +0900, Jacob Maier wrote: > Hi > I am trying to add the driver for the nvidia nforce 410 chip set (lan) > but I can not seem to get > chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 rpm -i file /name/ > to work as it keeps saying command rpm not found. > > I am doing this because I get to the point in loading the client where > it search for the network and it can not identify the correct card. > Oh I am using version 6 of k12ltsp > Help > Thanks > Jacob Maier > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Aug 14 02:32:25 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:32:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <57965.216.24.126.67.1187016672.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <57965.216.24.126.67.1187016672.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <1187058745.15601.45.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1024 eliminates ALL windows problems Sounds like another bug in the permissions mess on Vista. On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 09:51 -0500, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > I tried the vista hack i posted previously. This did not fix the samba > drives connection prob. Also on the Vista boxes they are not syncing the > time to the Windows DC time server. I am getting " A required privilege is > not held by the client" when manually trying to sync the vista boxes to > the Windows 2003 server time service?:(...uggh.. > Still scratching. > > take Care > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 14 03:50:25 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:50:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap question ... "this is bad" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070814034926.M41175@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:42:39 -0500, Kari Matthews wrote > Hello, > > When I run the smbldap-configure script, it goes along nicely until I get to > this: > > Backing up "/etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf" at > "/etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf-Mon_Aug_13_15_48_38_2007.bak" > failure! > I'm stopping here because this is bad. > Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. > > Can anyone advise me how to correc this by hand? Forgive me for even suggesting this, I am sure a solution is not this simple. But did you run the script with root privileges? It looks like the backup is the first action to be taken and maybe you simply don't have enough permissions to execute the task? Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 14 03:55:53 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:55:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <1187058745.15601.45.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <57965.216.24.126.67.1187016672.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <1187058745.15601.45.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <20070814035311.M50572@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:32:25 -0400, James P. Kinney III wrote > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1024 eliminates ALL windows > problems > > Sounds like another bug in the permissions mess on Vista. This doesn't help solve the problem, but it makes me feel better in a small way: I HATE VISTA!!!! This has the potential to be the largest distributed computer virus in history. And definitely the first that people are willing paying for and using. I can't believe the problems my company is getting called for and we ultimately find out that Vista is the cause. Oops, forgot the sarcasm syntax :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org Tue Aug 14 07:43:39 2007 From: willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org (willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:43:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows computer can't find internet Message-ID: <20070814004339.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.cb1eb40e5f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 12:40:18 2007 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:40:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't install Java Message-ID: <464c38cc0708140540x39ab75edma030c66c61d812bc@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone. I am trying to install Java from the "Install Additional Software" directory. No such luck. This is a fresh install of K12LTSP6. There is no firewall. Not sure what the heck is going on. Any ideas? I posted the output below. Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Install Process Setting up repositories core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 adobe-linux 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates 100% |=========================| 1.2 kB 00:00 macromedia 100% |=========================| 1.9 kB 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/fedora/linux/core/updates/6/i386/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp error] 530- 530-Sorry, too many anonymous users right now. Try again later. 530- 530 Login incorrect. Trying other mirror. primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 425 kB 00:05 ################################################## 1089/1089 Parsing package install arguments Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for java-1.5.0-sun to pack into transaction set. java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10-1 100% |=========================| 36 MB 07:10 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/RPMS/non-free/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10-1jpp.k12ltsp.6.0.0.i586.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not complete. Trying other mirror. Error: failure: RPMS/non-free/java- 1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10-1jpp.k12ltsp.6.0.0.i586.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. ERROR: something went wrong with 'yum install java-1.5.0-sun java-1.5.0-sun-alsa java-1.5.0-sun-fonts java-1.5.0-sun-plugin' Aborting :-( Press the Enter key to exit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karisue at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 12:43:10 2007 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:43:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap question ... "this is bad" In-Reply-To: <20070814034926.M41175@winonacotter.org> References: <20070814034926.M41175@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Oh, if only it were that simple. Yes, I was acting as root. It actually isn't the backup file, as far as I can tell. It is making that file correctly. I think the problem is the configure.answers file because when I opened that file, it only had 2 of my answers within. So it is definitely not very simple, at least not in my rendering. Thanks for taking a stab at it. ~kari On 8/13/07, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > Forgive me for even suggesting this, I am sure a solution is not this > simple. But did > you run the script with root privileges? It looks like the backup is the > first action > to be taken and maybe you simply don't have enough permissions to execute > the task? > > Jim > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 14 15:04:31 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:04:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap question ... "this is bad" In-Reply-To: References: <20070814034926.M41175@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <46C1C47F.7080604@paasda.org> Kari, I'm arriving late to this discussion... but which script is it you are running again? the SMBLDAP script from IDEALX? for doing all of the 'script-fu' against the LDAP and smb.conf files? can you tell me the location of the script? I ran it on another install and personally it wasn't for me..caused more grief than help(they are SMALL networks <250 users, all in 1 building). Can you find out if the original file actually exists in the specified directory? I believe the script has hard-coded paths for the most part. And things MAY have changed locations since the script was created? --Huck Kari Matthews wrote: > Oh, if only it were that simple. Yes, I was acting as root. It > actually isn't the backup file, as far as I can tell. It is making that > file correctly. I think the problem is the configure.answers file > because when I opened that file, it only had 2 of my answers within. > > So it is definitely not very simple, at least not in my rendering. > > Thanks for taking a stab at it. > > ~kari > > > On 8/13/07, *Jim Kronebusch * > wrote: > > > Forgive me for even suggesting this, I am sure a solution is not > this simple. But did > you run the script with root privileges? It looks like the backup > is the first action > to be taken and maybe you simply don't have enough permissions to > execute the task? > > Jim > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 14 15:13:06 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:13:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap question ... "this is bad" In-Reply-To: References: <20070814034926.M41175@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <46C1C682.5020004@paasda.org> Just found this, wondering if you've followed it step by step? on my k12ltsp 6.0 install this was in /usr/share/doc/samba-3.0.24/LDAP/smbldap-tools-0.9.2/ [quote] [root at ltsp smbldap-tools-0.9.2]# more INSTALL # $Source: /opt/cvs/samba/smbldap-tools/INSTALL,v $ # ## How To Install SMBLDAP-TOOLS DEPENDANCIES : -=-=-=-=-=-=-= . scripts now use the Crypt::SmbHash perl module INSTALLATION from the tar.gz archive =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- . Copy all those scripts in /usr/local/sbin/ . Modify smbldap.conf and smbldap_bind.conf to match your configuration, and cop y them in /etc/smbldap-tools/ . set proper permissions on those files: $ chmod 644 /etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf $ chmod 600 /etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap_bind.conf . update the 2 first declaration of /usr/local/sbin/smbldap_tools.pm to define t he PATH to the configuration file, for example > my $smbldap_conf="/etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf"; > my $smbldap_bind_conf="/etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap_bind.conf"; . if upgrading, add these lines in smbldap.conf configuration file: [root at ltsp smbldap-tools-0.9.2]# cat INSTALL # $Source: /opt/cvs/samba/smbldap-tools/INSTALL,v $ # ## How To Install SMBLDAP-TOOLS DEPENDANCIES : -=-=-=-=-=-=-= . scripts now use the Crypt::SmbHash perl module INSTALLATION from the tar.gz archive =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- . Copy all those scripts in /usr/local/sbin/ . Modify smbldap.conf and smbldap_bind.conf to match your configuration, and copy them in /etc/smbldap-tools/ . set proper permissions on those files: $ chmod 644 /etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf $ chmod 600 /etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap_bind.conf . update the 2 first declaration of /usr/local/sbin/smbldap_tools.pm to define the PATH to the configuration file, for example > my $smbldap_conf="/etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf"; > my $smbldap_bind_conf="/etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap_bind.conf"; . if upgrading, add these lines in smbldap.conf configuration file: > # Allows not tu use slappasswd (if with_slappasswd == 0 in smbldap_conf.pm) > # but prefer Crypt:: libraries > with_slappasswd="0" > slappasswd="/usr/sbin/slappasswd" If 'with_slappasswd' is set to 0, password will be hashed with appropriate perl module (to not use anymore external programm) . initialize the ldap directory $ smbldap-populate . If not already done : "smbpasswd -w secret" to set up the ldap admin password in secrets.tdb INSTALLATION from RedHat RPM: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= . install the package $ rpm -Uvh smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1.noarch.rpm . Modify /etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf and /etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap_bind.conf to match you configuration. . initialize the ldap directory $ smbldap-populate . If not already done : "smbpasswd -w secret" to set up the ldap admin password in secrets.tdb [/quote] From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Tue Aug 14 15:16:33 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:16:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] noatime mount option for better performance In-Reply-To: References: <4219988b0708090238w67fc74fcwe858d11061d84b4c@mail.gmail.com> <1186664786.7124.285.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <46C1C751.6030205@peopleplaces.org> Forgive the lateness; I've been on vacation. I've used 'defaults,noatime' for my /boot /var and /usr/local/ partitions since I built the server last year. It works well, and from my tests cuts the load significantly. I started with /var/ because I do a lot of DB stuff, and that's where MySQL keeps its things by default, as well as log files /usr/local/ is where my custom anti-spam and imap servers are /boot/ I just threw in there as an afterthought. I'll try /tmp/ next. I definitely can't use /home/ because I have backup scripts that compare file modification timestamps, though I imagine there are a host of other reasons not to. I do imagine I'll eventually run into some weird error that is caused by a program looking for a timestamp change, I just haven't found it yet. -Michael Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 8/9/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> On 8/9/07, James P. Kinney III wrote: >> >>> From a performance aspect, the potential in LTSP is huge. Everytime a >>> client reads a file that runs the user interface, a disk write must also >>> happen if atime is on. From a standpoint of system control, do you >>> _really_ need to know when someone read a file? Maybe in a high-security >>> environment but in a school? >>> >> Exactly. >> >> >>> Currently most system use mount options as defaults which are >>> default options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async >>> >>> so change an fstab line from >>> LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults 1 2 >>> to: >>> LABEL=/home /home ext3 rw,suid,dev,exec,auto,nouser,async,noatime 1 2 >>> >>> >> How about just >> LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults,noatime 1 2 >> also (for clarity) other mount points would benefit too. >> >> > > Here are some interesting links > http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Disk_Optimization > http://www.ghidinelli.com/2006/01/17/postgres-812-benchmarks/ > http://www.ghidinelli.com/workspace/postgres/postgres_20060116.html > > I'm weighing the risk vs benefit of data=writeback > > -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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In-Reply-To: <46C1C47F.7080604@paasda.org> References: <20070814034926.M41175@winonacotter.org> <46C1C47F.7080604@paasda.org> Message-ID: my system, very small, has something running in the background, for about a week now the system has been very sluggish, have done systems checks and I find that about 50% of RAM is being used by something even when the system is in idle and nobody is using it. this is new, I cannot find what is using the memory, when I have done a systems check I find all processes "sleeping" ???? thanks Bob +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 14 16:31:57 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:31:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] noatime mount option for better performance In-Reply-To: <46C1C751.6030205@peopleplaces.org> References: <4219988b0708090238w67fc74fcwe858d11061d84b4c@mail.gmail.com> <1186664786.7124.285.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <46C1C751.6030205@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <46C1D8FD.404@futuresource.com> Michael Blinn wrote: > Forgive the lateness; I've been on vacation. > > I've used 'defaults,noatime' for my /boot /var and /usr/local/ > partitions since I built the server last year. It works well, and from > my tests cuts the load significantly. > > I started with /var/ because I do a lot of DB stuff, and that's where > MySQL keeps its things by default, as well as log files > /usr/local/ is where my custom anti-spam and imap servers are > /boot/ I just threw in there as an afterthought. I'll try /tmp/ next. I > definitely can't use /home/ because I have backup scripts that compare > file modification timestamps, though I imagine there are a host of other > reasons not to. It's not likely that your backup scripts check atime. Normally you want them to use ctime which will catch any modification of the file or its attributes (mtime only catches changes to the file contents). > I do imagine I'll eventually run into some weird error that is caused by > a program looking for a timestamp change, I just haven't found it yet. There is some discussion on the fedora development list about making noatime the default for the distribution - and ubuntu may already do it. The only thing anyone has found that it affects is the tmpwatch script that cleans unused files from the tmp directory and some feature of mutt (a text mode email reader) that has a workaround. Sometimes atime is helpful when debugging (did a process read a certain file before crashing?) or when cleaning up old files that you can tell haven't been read, but otherwise you don't really need it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 14 17:30:12 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:30:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <20070814035311.M50572@winonacotter.org> References: <57965.216.24.126.67.1187016672.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <1187058745.15601.45.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20070814035311.M50572@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <46C1E6A4.5020602@cmosnetworks.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:32:25 -0400, James P. Kinney III wrote > >> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1024 eliminates ALL windows >> problems >> >> Sounds like another bug in the permissions mess on Vista. >> > > This doesn't help solve the problem, but it makes me feel better in a small way: > > I HATE VISTA!!!! > > This has the potential to be the largest distributed computer virus in history. And > definitely the first that people are willing paying for and using. I can't believe the > problems my company is getting called for and we ultimately find out that Vista is the > cause. > > Oops, forgot the sarcasm syntax :-) > That's why what Eric, JAM, and so many other hackers are doing is so important. That's also why it's equally as important that we show folks that there *is* a better alternative. Even my district (total Microsoft shop) is holding off on Vista because of all the problems that it's causing. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Aug 14 19:41:07 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:41:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs Message-ID: <57848.192.168.254.3.1187120467.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello List, I still have not found a fix for the Vista machines not seeing the Samba users home folder / H: drive:( I've searched the Samba lists/archives mucho.No dice. I've tried doing all sortsa things with sambaclient to no avail. Even when I map a drive which works without a hitch to the Samba server\sharedfolder,/ Save the "reconnect at Logon", I see all the contents, but once the Vista machine is rebooted the mapped drive is no longer showing on the workstation :( I'm going to another building that I have setup as a testbed with Winders 2003 Server, as the file server for homefolders and see if my results are the same with Vista. I may be on to something ,though. I DID find that Vista looks for the user's home folder with the ext .v2 . So in other words as Winders 2000 & XP boxes looks for \\servername\home(s)\usexyz ,,, Vista looks for \\servername\home(s)\userxyz.v2 I'm going to beat on Samba a little tomorrow and see if I can hammer something into a share as [Vista] home(s) = u%.v2 Kind of a long shot . I'm wishing the Vista boxes were elsewhere at another school dist ,,,:) If anyone that's a script kiddy can help me out, I'd be abliged:) I have not even found a howto ,or if anyone has setup a homefolders, on a Win2003 server to Vista workstations,,,bummer. Take Care Barry Cisna From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 14 20:50:43 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:50:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <57848.192.168.254.3.1187120467.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <57848.192.168.254.3.1187120467.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <20070814204237.M39982@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:41:07 -0500 (CDT), Barry Cisna wrote > Hello List, > > I still have not found a fix for the Vista machines not seeing the Samba > users home folder / H: drive:( I've searched the Samba lists/archives > mucho.No dice. Can you mount them with a windows login script? Something along the lines of: if exist g:\nul net use g: /del net use g: \\servername\sharedfolder\jim or, simply net use g: \\servername\sharedfolder\jim /persist:yes It has been a while since I messed with batch files for mounting shares at log on but I have had to do this a lot in the past even with all Windows domains. I think this will take variables as well for mounting user home folders. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From sergio at turbocorp.com Tue Aug 14 23:23:33 2007 From: sergio at turbocorp.com (Sergio Chaves) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:23:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <20070814204237.M39982@winonacotter.org> References: <57848.192.168.254.3.1187120467.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <20070814204237.M39982@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200708141923.34031.sergio@turbocorp.com> >From http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/75/Microsoft_Vista_With_Linux_Interoperability.pdf The Samba 3.0.23c client code can?t connect to Windows Vista RC1 (Build 5600). In other words, many client applications based on libsmbclient, including the Konqueror K10 slave (smb://), will not be able to open Vista shares. But why? Establishing a connection to a CIFs server is a process with a number of steps. After establishing a TCP connection via port 139 or 445, the client issues the Negotiate Protocol, Session Setup, and Tree Connect requests in succession. The Negotiate Protocol request negotiates the connection parameters, Session Setup logs the user on and passes in a password, and Tree Connect tells the server which share the client wants to connect to. This basic approach has remained unchanged since the earliest versions of the protocol that date back to the 80s. However, security requirements directed at the protocol have grown drastically since then. Different versions of Windows have responded to demands for more security in various ways. Besides authenticating with cleartext passwords, an approach that is theoretically still viable, a number of new approaches have been added, including LanManager authentication, NTLM v1, and NTLM v2. With the introduction of Windows 2000 and Active Directory, Microsoft added another authentication mechanism that is completely different from all previous ones: Kerberos 5. In the process of extending Kerberos, Microsoft entered into new territory; some of the Internet RFCs concerning encapsulating Kerberos in other protocols, such as CIFS and LDAP, have seen major development since the introduction of Windows 2000. Samba 3 has always been based on what Windows really does, as Microsoft rarely keeps to standards. One of the consequences is that changes to Windows have often surprised us in the past. In this special case, Microsoft has applied the underlying RFCs more strictly than previously with respect to Vista compatibility. We need to modify the code to reflect the new requirements before Samba-based clients can access Vista shares. Volker Lendecke - Samba Developer On Tuesday 14 August 2007, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:41:07 -0500 (CDT), Barry Cisna wrote > > > Hello List, > > > > I still have not found a fix for the Vista machines not seeing the Samba > > users home folder / H: drive:( I've searched the Samba lists/archives > > mucho.No dice. > > Can you mount them with a windows login script? Something along the lines > of: > > if exist g:\nul net use g: /del > net use g: \\servername\sharedfolder\jim > > or, simply > > net use g: \\servername\sharedfolder\jim /persist:yes > > It has been a while since I messed with batch files for mounting shares at > log on but I have had to do this a lot in the past even with all Windows > domains. I think this will take variables as well for mounting user home > folders. -- "The art of leadership is saying no, not yes. It is very easy to say yes." 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From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Aug 14 23:42:17 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:42:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs Message-ID: <46138.192.168.254.3.1187134937.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello List, Thanks to all for the suggestions in reference to my Vista delema. Jim, I've never gotten into setting up any logon.bat files for windows logins. Would I simply enter what you've suggested in the logon.bat file on the Samba server? If so, how can i do that for all domain users? I have looked a bit at this many moons ago. but I just done a setup from a howto,that someone had posted and Samba " just worked",to were all users that logged onto our domain had a home folder/h: drive on the Samba server. now with Vista,this is not happening:(. Can you give me a 1. do this 2. do this 3. do this ,,, Refire Samba server and give 'er a go! I'm wondering if even the logon.bat file would possibly fail with the "fast query"( that has been mentioned as a failing thing over at Samba .org) thing in Vista's Explorer? I guess i can give it a shot. It's not worth a hoot the way it is right now:) Thanks Take Care Barry Cisna From sergio at turbocorp.com Wed Aug 15 00:15:03 2007 From: sergio at turbocorp.com (Sergio Chaves) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:15:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <46138.192.168.254.3.1187134937.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <46138.192.168.254.3.1187134937.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <200708142015.03267.sergio@turbocorp.com> What version of samba are you using? According to another linux magazine article, Samba 3.0.22 and later work just fine. The author could not mount the shares from GUI but successfully mounted them using: mount -t smbfs -o username= password= //IP Address/share /mountpoint Good luck Sergio On Tuesday 14 August 2007, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Thanks to all for the suggestions in reference to my Vista delema. > > Jim, > I've never gotten into setting up any logon.bat files for windows logins. > Would I simply enter what you've suggested in the logon.bat file on the > Samba server? If so, how can i do that for all domain users? I have looked > a bit at this many moons ago. but I just done a setup from a howto,that > someone had posted and Samba " just worked",to were all users that logged > onto our domain had a home folder/h: drive on the Samba server. now with > Vista,this is not happening:(. > Can you give me a > 1. do this > 2. do this > 3. do this ,,, > Refire Samba server and give 'er a go! > > I'm wondering if even the logon.bat file would possibly fail with the > "fast query"( that has been mentioned as a failing thing over at Samba > .org) thing in Vista's Explorer? I guess i can give it a shot. It's not > worth a hoot the way it is right now:) > > > Thanks > > Take Care > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 15 01:19:15 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:19:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <46138.192.168.254.3.1187134937.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <46138.192.168.254.3.1187134937.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46C25493.4040902@paasda.org> uncomment [netlogon] share... see where the path is../opt/samba/netlogon (for my install) create startup.bat(that's what I called mine) write 'net use m: \\ltspserver\' in that file run unix2dos on startup.bat service smb restart roughly...that's it --Huck Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Thanks to all for the suggestions in reference to my Vista delema. > > Jim, > I've never gotten into setting up any logon.bat files for windows logins. > Would I simply enter what you've suggested in the logon.bat file on the > Samba server? If so, how can i do that for all domain users? I have looked > a bit at this many moons ago. but I just done a setup from a howto,that > someone had posted and Samba " just worked",to were all users that logged > onto our domain had a home folder/h: drive on the Samba server. now with > Vista,this is not happening:(. > Can you give me a > 1. do this > 2. do this > 3. do this ,,, > Refire Samba server and give 'er a go! > > I'm wondering if even the logon.bat file would possibly fail with the > "fast query"( that has been mentioned as a failing thing over at Samba > .org) thing in Vista's Explorer? I guess i can give it a shot. It's not > worth a hoot the way it is right now:) > > > Thanks > > Take Care > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 15:35:58 2007 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:35:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] killing an unknown process?? In-Reply-To: References: <20070814034926.M41175@winonacotter.org> <46C1C47F.7080604@paasda.org> Message-ID: Hello Bob, Did you try to use the ps command? I think something like this will work for you: ps -eo pid,ppid,rss,vsize,pcpu,pmem,cmd -ww --sort=pid rss and vsize will give you and indication of which process is consuming all the memory. Darryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Peter From mel at melwade.com Tue Aug 14 17:30:27 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:30:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP Options In-Reply-To: <43080f460708140938q153a913cv8c423bf9325a8ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708030944q7800a0d4lc81b0d4a497c6a7a@mail.gmail.com> <46B37E91.30603@paasda.org> <43080f460708031843n417643a0o8e641f7f42874df3@mail.gmail.com> <46B3DFF0.30001@futuresource.com> <43080f460708140938q153a913cv8c423bf9325a8ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460708141030h5da3eb6cx65d5df5c97348252@mail.gmail.com> I think I answered my own question: Option 066 -TFTP server's name or IP address On 8/14/07, Mel Wade wrote: > > Can I do this when using Windows DCHP? > > On 8/3/07, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > Mel Wade wrote: > > > Let me ask it this way then, > > > > > > If I have 2 K12LTSP servers on the same network, how can I direct a > > client > > > to connect to a particular server? (DHCP will be handled by a > > separate > > > server.) > > > > > > Each LTSP server will only have one NIC. > > > > The next-server option in the dhcp response determines where the client > > loads the kernel, and the root-path option is where it mounts the root > > directory from. You can control this per-client by specifying the MAC > > addresses in "hardware ethernet entries" or it can be controlled by > > subnet ranges if they are on different subnets. > > > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Tue Aug 14 16:38:01 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:38:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP Options In-Reply-To: <46B3DFF0.30001@futuresource.com> References: <43080f460708030944q7800a0d4lc81b0d4a497c6a7a@mail.gmail.com> <46B37E91.30603@paasda.org> <43080f460708031843n417643a0o8e641f7f42874df3@mail.gmail.com> <46B3DFF0.30001@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43080f460708140938q153a913cv8c423bf9325a8ba@mail.gmail.com> Can I do this when using Windows DCHP? On 8/3/07, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Mel Wade wrote: > > Let me ask it this way then, > > > > If I have 2 K12LTSP servers on the same network, how can I direct a > client > > to connect to a particular server? (DHCP will be handled by a separate > > server.) > > > > Each LTSP server will only have one NIC. > > The next-server option in the dhcp response determines where the client > loads the kernel, and the root-path option is where it mounts the root > directory from. You can control this per-client by specifying the MAC > addresses in "hardware ethernet entries" or it can be controlled by > subnet ranges if they are on different subnets. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Aug 15 11:34:15 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:34:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs Message-ID: <43010.216.24.126.67.1187177655.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello List, Thanks again for everyone that posted links &ideas as to a fix for Vista. Sergio , I read as well were IF you have Samba 3.0.22 or greater this issue should be resolved. I Also read were,as of Samba 3.0.25 Vista will still NOT work? Huck, Could you decrypt your startup.bat file? Are you saying I simply put the statup.bat file in my,, 1. '/etc/samba ' directory ? 2. uncomment the [netlogin] in my /etc/samba/smb.conf file Put these lines in startup.bat ,,, 3. net use m: \\ltspserver\ in my startup.bat 4. run unix2dos in my startup.bat,, 4a. or run unix2dos against the startup.bat file???duuhhh me,,sorry 5. Restart Samba server Done What have/did I miss? BTW: I can Map a drive to this share within Vista Windows Explorer as it is,but,,, when the client/workstation is rebooted the share( which i checked " save at login") The drive/share is no longer showing[ as it does in Winders 2000 & XP. The fileserver is using Samba 3.0.1 ( FC3) Thanks Barry Cisna From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Wed Aug 15 12:16:07 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:16:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] kernel-2.6.22.1-32.fc6 Message-ID: <46C2EE87.2030500@peopleplaces.org> Just a FYI: If you're running a SCSI K12V6 system, I would suggest _not_ upgrading to the 2.6.22.1-32.fc6 kernel w/ FC6 - Doing so will most likely not work, as detailed here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=251577 and you'll then need to boot into previous kernel versions. Michael (found out the hard way) From tsmith at geneseeschools.org Wed Aug 15 12:35:38 2007 From: tsmith at geneseeschools.org (Travis Smith) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:35:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: joomla template-developer gig In-Reply-To: <9bd317560708141133r3b27823cv666ed90bf90cf42f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560708141133r3b27823cv666ed90bf90cf42f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46C2BAD1.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> ** Confidential ** ** High Priority ** You could try http://www.joomlancers.com I am not that good at the graphics but I downloaded a free template from http://www.edugeek.octoink.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76&Itemid=78 and looks pretty good. >>> "Peter Hartmann" 08-14-07 2:33 PM >>> Can someone recommend a good Joomla template developer? I know when i'm out of my element. I have almost zero visual talent. (which is ok because i have music :) ) Anyway, the person doesn't have to be local but should have a portfolio. The site is an parochial elementary school. Thanks, Peter Scanned by GenNET AV out From monteslu at cox.net Wed Aug 15 14:06:25 2007 From: monteslu at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:06:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? In-Reply-To: References: <26214304.1186714567100.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> <46BC734F.3040602@cox.net> Message-ID: <46C30861.7080704@cox.net> Right now I have one of the two edubuntu servers acting as the dhcp server. It's also the place where I'm splitting up which clients go to which ltsp LDM_SERVER using lts.conf. This provides some load balancing but no failover. I'm definitely open to using two both edubuntu servers as dhcp servers. Luis David Trask wrote: > Are your Edubuntu servers going to be the DHCP servers for the network? > For this they'll need to be....if so....then I can send you my dhcp config > to show you how to do it. Basically how it works.... > > 2 Edubuntu servers (both with one NIC) connected to the LAN > One is the primary and the other the secondard > Both server the exact same range, but an algorithm sets it up so first one > answers and then the other > In a perfect world...if you have a lab of 20 machines....10 will get their > address from server A and 10 from server B (I've tested this and it is > the case, but then the users show up and there are more machines) > > If Server A goes down....Server B hands out ALL the IP addresses until > Server A comes back online. From an Edubuntu or LTSP standpoint....since > the TC's get their "image" from the server they get their DHCP from in > this case....the load gets split in half as TC#1 boots from Server > A...TC#2 boots from Server B...and so on. Works slick! > > > Luis Montes writes: > >> Thanks for the help, everyone. >> >> Only thing I need now is the load balancing part to get back to where I >> was with k12ltsp. Any tips or pointers to documentation of how you did it? >> In k12ltsp, I just load balanced by poining half the workstations at a >> different server using lts.conf, but that doesn't cover failover. >> >> I'm not really so much set on edubuntu as I am getting a working Muekow >> install before school starts up next week. >> >> >> Luis >> >> David Trask wrote: >> >>> Sound works fine in flash....go here >>> >>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ >>> >>> near the bottom for the fix...piece of cake. I have it working well. >>> also on the Edubuntu site either in the docs or the wiki you'll find the >>> lts.conf variables. I recently (last week) got two servers (Edubuntu) >>> with dhcp/load balance and failover along with a Samba/LDAP server using >>> smbldap-installer....up and running. It was so easy it was >>> anti-climactic. I'm still a K12LTSP fan and have been since the >>> >> beginning >> >>> (I've used it at our school since September 2001...in >>> >> earnest)...however, >> >>> I really like where Ubuntu and Edubuntu are headed. The MueKow way of >>> doing things is the way of the future....there are still some bugs, but >>> each new release just gets SO MUCH better. I would love to see the >>> Redhat/Fedora folks really get their act together and go nuts with >>> K12LTSP, but it ain't happening yet...at least publicly. There will be >>> MAJOR new advances in Gutsy (the next release) that should speed things >>> >> up >> >>> tremendously. Once booted the terminals are fine....no diffs between >>> K12LTSP and Edubuntu.....it's the booting that takes a bit. Be sure to >>> use Gideon Romms patched LDM for your current Edubuntu installation. >>> >>> I think it's here >>> >>> >>> >> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp/download/gadi%40ltsp.org-20070521205254-ek710bofdpdtlwlz/x_Matt_Zimmerman_%3Cmatt.zimmerman%40canonical.com%3E_Tue_Jun__7_19%3A59%3A49_2005_32192.0/ldm >> >>> and do this: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Replace your current "/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm" with the new file >>>> >>>> >>> (you may want to >>> >>> >>>> backup your current ldm just to be safe). The in >>>> >>>> >>> "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" add the >>> >>> >>>> following line: >>>> >>>> LDM_DIRECTX=True >>>> >>>> >>> Hope this all helps! :-) >>> >>> "Support list for open source software in schools." >>> writes: >>> >>> >>>> One day in and I've had some success and some extreme frustration. >>>> >>>> First the good stuff: >>>> >>>> Install went fine. >>>> Thin clients immediately booted up. >>>> The latest smbldap client script connected me right up. >>>> >>>> Now the problems: >>>> >>>> sudo... I guess it's better than switching to root like I've always >>>> >> done >> >>>> with redhat, but why does it only work on the server for GUI apps? >>>> The lts.conf is not nearly as nice as the one on k12ltsp. In fact, it's >>>> almost empty. I have no idea what the new variables are. The top of the >>>> file says I can read a gzipped example conf, but it doesn't exist on >>>> >> the >> >>>> server or in any repo that I can tell. >>>> Sound still doesn't work for me in flash on a client and the only >>>> >> adobe >> >>>> flash thing i can see in the repo is the plugin itself. >>>> >>>> Luis >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:22:08 -0700, monteslu wrote >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I have k12ltsp5EL & edubuntu discs sitting in front of me, and school >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> starts >>>> >>>> >>>>>> on Monday. >>>>>> >>>>>> As much as I love fedora, redhat hasn't done much to help integrate >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Muekow. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I'm gonna give edubuntu a shot. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1 smbldap server >>>>>> 2 edubuntu servers >>>>>> 70 thin clients. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll report on my success or failure. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> You'll really like Edubuntu. Download the modified LDM and enable >>>>> >>>>> >>>> LDM_DIRECTX=true in >>>> >>>> >>>>> lts.conf for faster screen speeds. FYI the Thin Client Manager >>>>> >>>>> >>>> (Edubuntu's TeacherTool) >>>> >>>> >>>>> has some major issues at the moment, any VNC related features do not >>>>> >>>>> >>>> work. Other than >>>> >>>> >>>>> that Edubuntu is great. >>>>> >>>>> If it helps you can steal the needed pieces from this tutorial for >>>>> >>>>> >>>> setting up LDAP >>>> >>>> >>>>> authentication for your Edubuntu servers: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.1-cs.com/ubuntu_ldap_howto.txt >>>>> >>>>> Good luck. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>>> dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >>>>> Department, and is believed to be clean. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> David N. Trask >>> Technology Teacher/Director >>> Vassalboro Community School >>> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>> (207)923-3100 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 15 14:13:33 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:13:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <46138.192.168.254.3.1187134937.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <46138.192.168.254.3.1187134937.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <20070815134758.M86600@winonacotter.org> > I've never gotten into setting up any logon.bat files for windows logins. > Would I simply enter what you've suggested in the logon.bat file on the > Samba server? If so, how can i do that for all domain users? I have looked > a bit at this many moons ago. but I just done a setup from a howto,that > someone had posted and Samba " just worked",to were all users that logged > onto our domain had a home folder/h: drive on the Samba server. now with > Vista,this is not happening:(. > Can you give me a > 1. do this > 2. do this > 3. do this ,,, > Refire Samba server and give 'er a go! I am guessing that since you can map the shares when Vista is running that a logon.bat will certainly work. I have mostly only created logon.bat files in an all Windows network in the past. Using logon.bat files is more stable than just mapping and hoping they reappear, say a user inadvertently removes the map, it will still be recreated at logon. I have only messed with logon batch files from a linux samba server once and that was a few years ago. It looks like Huck is a little more familiar with this, keep prodding him for info and I'm sure you'll get something working. What exactly do you want your mapped drives to do? Do you want to map //servername/Users or do you want to map each user personally such as //servername/Users/username? Let me know and I should be able to provide exactly what you want your batch file to look like. There are a ton of ways to create the batch files and a ton of options. Usually a typical map for a users home first deletes the existing map, then creates the new map with a variable to plug in username. It might be a good idea to first map to the general Users folder, then if that works try a variable. It might be that some of the old variables are broken in Vista, I haven't had to work with this on Vista yet. Below is what a batch to map the Users folder could look like. The REM is the same as a # in linux and the text following is just a note of what the next line will do: REM Delete pre-existing drive mappings NET USE H: /DELET >nul REM MAP H: To Users NET USE H: \\servername\Users Place the above text is a plain text file called logon.bat and put it in the correct place on the server. Hopefully Huck can provide the specifics on how to do that. Here is some more info on using variables from the windows environment. At the command line on your Windows machine type "set" without the quotes. This should provide a list of environment variables that can be used. An example output is listed below: ALLUSERSPROFILE=C:\Documents and Settings\All Users APPDATA=C:\Documents and Settings\user\Application Data CLIENTNAME=Console CommonProgramFiles=C:\Program Files\Common Files COMPUTERNAME=UserDesktop ComSpec=C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe FP_NO_HOST_CHECK=NO HOMEDRIVE=H: HOMEPATH=\ HOMESHARE=\\servername\user LOGONSERVER=\\servername NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS=1 OS=Windows_NT Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program Files\SSH Communications Security\SSH Secure Shell PATHEXT=.COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WSF;.WSH PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE=x86 PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER=x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 6, GenuineIntel PROCESSOR_LEVEL=6 PROCESSOR_REVISION=0806 ProgramFiles=C:\Program Files PROMPT=$P$G SESSIONNAME=Console SystemDrive=C: SystemRoot=C:\WINDOWS TEMP=C:\DOCUME~1\user\LOCALS~1\Temp TMP=C:\DOCUME~1\user\LOCALS~1\Temp USERDOMAIN=DOMAIN USERNAME=user USERPROFILE=C:\Documents and Settings\user windir=C:\WINDOWS The above would have been run on a machine with the name "UserDesktop", and logged in with the user "User" to the domain "DOMAIN" from server "servername". Now you can plug any of those variables into your batch file like so: NET TIME %LOGONSERVER% /set /yes REM Delete pre-existing drive mappings NET USE H: /DELET >nul REM MAP H: To Users Home Directory NET USE H: %LOGONSERVER%\Users\%USERNAME% REM MAP Z: Some other share NET USE Z: %LOGONSERVER%\OtherShare The use of the variables will help you set up more specific batch files. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From peter at hartmanncomputer.com Wed Aug 15 16:44:59 2007 From: peter at hartmanncomputer.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:44:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: joomla template-developer gig In-Reply-To: <46C2BAD1.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> References: <9bd317560708141133r3b27823cv666ed90bf90cf42f@mail.gmail.com> <46C2BAD1.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560708150944pf1344a2rd82916d93c654e8b@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Travis, I tried taking a look at the edugeek template, which does indeed look nice. But I'm wary since it inclues, and seems only usable with it's own joomla-base. Wary for security and also wary of destroying the existing dabase ie. content we have going. I tried archiving up the templates themselvs as zip files and then trying to import them in our existing joomla but they weren't valid at all. I guess you started with this template from the beginning? Peter On 8/15/07, Travis Smith wrote: > ** Confidential ** > ** High Priority ** > > You could try http://www.joomlancers.com > > I am not that good at the graphics but I downloaded a free template > from > http://www.edugeek.octoink.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76&Itemid=78 > and looks pretty good. > > >>> "Peter Hartmann" 08-14-07 2:33 PM >>> > Can someone recommend a good Joomla template developer? I know when > i'm out of my element. I have almost zero visual talent. (which is > ok because i have music :) ) Anyway, the person doesn't have to > be local but should have a portfolio. The site is an parochial > elementary school. > > Thanks, > Peter > > > > > Scanned by GenNET AV out > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Wed Aug 15 17:07:00 2007 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:07:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Run script at logout Message-ID: <46C2FA740200003C000012B6@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Hello Everybody. I have been working on a script to mount students' home directories from netware servers. I need to make an unmount script run at logoff to clear out their mounts. I tried using an entry in Xreset, but it doesn't work with that (neither the one on the server or in the client export). Right now I have it clearing their mounts at login (each computer will have an autologin user account) with a setting in /etc/profile. I can stand leaving it like this, but it would be sloppy. Just wondering if anybody can give me any insight into how to make this happen? Thanks Joe Korzeniewski Network Administrator Battle Creek Public Schools p. 269-965-9667 c. 269-209-9677 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 15 18:28:38 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:28:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <43010.216.24.126.67.1187177655.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <43010.216.24.126.67.1187177655.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46C345D6.2080506@paasda.org> in my /etc/samba/smb.conf file I have the following share: # Un-comment the following and create the netlogon directory for Domain Logons # HUCK [netlogon] comment = Network Logon Service path = /usr/local/samba/lib/netlogon guest ok = yes writable = no share modes = no notice the 'path = /usr/local/samba/lib/netlogon' THIS is where your 'startup.bat' file should be then put: net use m: \\ltspserver\ in your startup.bat file then run: unix2dos startup.bat then run: service smb restart --Huck Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Thanks again for everyone that posted links &ideas as to a fix for Vista. > Sergio , > I read as well were IF you have Samba 3.0.22 or greater this issue should > be resolved. I Also read were,as of Samba 3.0.25 Vista will still NOT > work? > > Huck, > > Could you decrypt your startup.bat file? > Are you saying I simply put the statup.bat file in my,, > 1. '/etc/samba ' directory ? > 2. uncomment the [netlogin] in my /etc/samba/smb.conf file > Put these lines in startup.bat ,,, > 3. net use m: \\ltspserver\ in my startup.bat > 4. run unix2dos in my startup.bat,, > 4a. or run unix2dos against the startup.bat file???duuhhh me,,sorry > 5. Restart Samba server > Done > > What have/did I miss? > > BTW: I can Map a drive to this share within Vista Windows Explorer as it > is,but,,, when the client/workstation is rebooted the share( which i > checked " save at login") The drive/share is no longer showing[ as it does > in Winders 2000 & XP. > The fileserver is using Samba 3.0.1 ( FC3) > > > Thanks > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Aug 15 18:34:54 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:34:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - disk clone over network Message-ID: <20070815113454.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.754bd3379e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET Wed Aug 15 18:43:42 2007 From: CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:43:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - disk clone over network Message-ID: I am in the process of completing a open source imaging application called fog, or free open source ghost. I am about 2-3 weeks away from a release, but it uses pxe, tftp, and partimage. The project is on sourceforge. http://www.sf.net/projects/freeghost >>> rmcdaniel at indata.us 08/15/07 01:34PM >>> Can anyone recommend an application that I can use to take a good image of a laptop and clone other laptops across the network? I have been trying to use DRBL with no luck. I can't get the clients that boot from the network using PXE to see the server and boot. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Technology Coordinator Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 rmcdaniel at indata.us "Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least" Goethe From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 15 18:54:39 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:54:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - disk clone over network In-Reply-To: <20070815113454.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.754bd3379e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070815113454.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.754bd3379e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <46C34BEF.3060705@futuresource.com> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Can anyone recommend an application that I can use to take a good image > of a laptop and clone other laptops across the network? I have been > trying to use DRBL with no luck. I can't get the clients that boot from > the network using PXE to see the server and boot. If you don't mind it taking a long time and the disks are all identical, boot your master with a knoppix CD or the install CD in rescue mode and: dd if=/dev/hda | ssh server 'cat >/path/to/image_name' the on the clones: ssh server 'cat < /path/to/image_name' |dd of=hda (note that this will destroy anything currently on the disk). You might be able to use the clonezilla live CD to do the same thing but faster since it knows a little bit about the filesystem structure and doesn't need to copy unused space: http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/. If you have a lot of machines it might be worth setting up the multicast mode infrastructure but if you can't PXE boot the installer it might not work anyway. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Aug 15 20:37:56 2007 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:37:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - disk clone over network In-Reply-To: <20070815113454.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.754bd3379e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070815113454.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.754bd3379e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <198E3587-03DB-4C65-A6EF-2C6AD2E70D8F@mindfirestudios.com> Both g4u and partimage work across the network. You boot from a CD either create the image or download the new one. Partimage uses a partimage server, g4u just needs an FTP account. On Aug 15, 2007, at 1:34 PM, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Can anyone recommend an application that I can use to take a good > image of a laptop and clone other laptops across the network? I > have been trying to use DRBL with no luck. I can't get the clients > that boot from the network using PXE to see the server and boot. > > > Thanks, > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Technology Coordinator > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > ?Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things > which matter least? Goethe > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Aug 15 21:43:02 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:43:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Run script at logout In-Reply-To: <46C2FA740200003C000012B6@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> References: <46C2FA740200003C000012B6@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <46C37366.9060006@scheie.homedns.org> Since you're using autologin, you could create a script that uses zenity to query the user for an ID & PW (or just a PW if the user has logged in with his/her own ID), then uses those to mount the Netware directory, then calls thunar and points it at the mountpoint with the Netware directory, followed by an unmount of the Netware directory. Then put an icon on the desktop that calls the script. When the user clicks on it, it will prompt for ID & PW and then open a file manager window on the Netware directory. Once the user closes the file manager, it's dismounted. Peter Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > Hello Everybody. > > I have been working on a script to mount students' home directories from netware servers. I need to make an unmount script run at logoff to clear out their mounts. I tried using an entry in Xreset, but it doesn't work with that (neither the one on the server or in the client export). Right now I have it clearing their mounts at login (each computer will have an autologin user account) with a setting in /etc/profile. I can stand leaving it like this, but it would be sloppy. Just wondering if anybody can give me any insight into how to make this happen? > > Thanks > > > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Aug 15 21:45:05 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:45:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - disk clone over network Message-ID: <20070815144505.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a119a23701.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 16 00:43:33 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:43:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying workstations from eth0 to eth1 Message-ID: <46C39DB5.4090003@paasda.org> eth0 is on 192.168.0.254 (default K12LTSP install) eth1 is on a static 10.1.3.35... gateway machine is 10.1.3.1 (running squid/dansguardian) I am trying to have Windows machines behind the K12LTSP machine(eth0) access the internet...without success... I have the following: [root at ltsp ~]# chkconfig --list | grep transparent transparent-proxying 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off [root at ltsp ~]# iptables -L Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Any thoughts? Do I need some sort of an IPTABLES rule that forwards port 80 traffic from eth0 to eth1 or something? --Huck From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 16 00:45:04 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:45:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying workstations from eth0 to eth1 In-Reply-To: <46C39DB5.4090003@paasda.org> References: <46C39DB5.4090003@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46C39E10.6080109@paasda.org> Oh..one thing I forgot... if I configure the proxy to bypass dansguardian 10.1.3.1 port 3128 I can hit the internet...but then the content isn't filtered...so it's not a WIN situation. --Huck Huck wrote: > eth0 is on 192.168.0.254 (default K12LTSP install) > > eth1 is on a static 10.1.3.35... > gateway machine is 10.1.3.1 (running squid/dansguardian) > > I am trying to have Windows machines behind the K12LTSP machine(eth0) > access the internet...without success... > > I have the following: > > [root at ltsp ~]# chkconfig --list | grep transparent > transparent-proxying 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > [root at ltsp ~]# iptables -L > Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) > target prot opt source destination > ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere > > Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) > target prot opt source destination > > Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) > target prot opt source destination > > > Any thoughts? Do I need some sort of an IPTABLES rule that forwards port > 80 traffic from eth0 to eth1 or something? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Thu Aug 16 01:20:00 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:20:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - disk clone over network Message-ID: <52924.192.168.254.3.1187227200.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Ron, g4l - ghost for linux bootable ISO image , has worked for every NIC on oddball machines, that I have ever thrown at it. Once you get your IMG saved to a ftp server or http server on your LAN you can clone an 80 gig HD to another machine in 25 mins. Here's the link to give it a test drive: http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l Take Care Barry Cisna From joe at vortex-tech.com Thu Aug 16 01:33:28 2007 From: joe at vortex-tech.com (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:33:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Run script at logout In-Reply-To: <46C37366.9060006@scheie.homedns.org> References: <46C2FA740200003C000012B6@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> <46C37366.9060006@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <98bb4fe80708151833l35c00fj73dcdd81cf43855c@mail.gmail.com> Peter, Thank you for your reply. We actually ended up solving this by adding a line to /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default that calls the unmount script. I do like your line of thinking though, the only big reason I wouldn't go that route is since I have already spent so much time writing the program to work the way it does. Everything seems to be running smoothly now though. When a user logs in, they have a "mount home directory" icon that accepts their username and password (and does an ldap lookup for the rest) and mounts the home directory and any other shares specified in their config file. When they log out then, the PostSession script calls my unmount script. The big advantage I see doing it your way though is that users never have to log out. I will have to do a little hacking and see if I can make my program work like that. The only stumbling block I see at this point is multiple mounts... Thanks again, -Joe On 8/15/07, Peter Scheie wrote: > > Since you're using autologin, you could create a script that uses zenity > to query the user for an ID & PW (or just a PW if the user has logged in > with his/her own ID), then uses those to mount the Netware directory, > then calls thunar and points it at the mountpoint with the Netware > directory, followed by an unmount of the Netware directory. Then put an > icon on the desktop that calls the script. When the user clicks on it, > it will prompt for ID & PW and then open a file manager window on the > Netware directory. Once the user closes the file manager, it's > dismounted. > > Peter > > Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > Hello Everybody. > > > > I have been working on a script to mount students' home directories from > netware servers. I need to make an unmount script run at logoff to clear out > their mounts. I tried using an entry in Xreset, but it doesn't work with > that (neither the one on the server or in the client export). Right now I > have it clearing their mounts at login (each computer will have an autologin > user account) with a setting in /etc/profile. I can stand leaving it like > this, but it would be sloppy. Just wondering if anybody can give me any > insight into how to make this happen? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Joe Korzeniewski > > Network Administrator > > Battle Creek Public Schools > > p. 269-965-9667 > > c. 269-209-9677 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhbarr at gozelle.com Thu Aug 16 01:43:16 2007 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:43:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - disk clone over network In-Reply-To: <52924.192.168.254.3.1187227200.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <52924.192.168.254.3.1187227200.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: On 8/15/07, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hi Ron, > > g4l - ghost for linux I've never validated these claims for myself (I typically clone locally for speed reasons anyway) but: http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/g4l.html Just my two (cautious) grains of salt. -dhbarr. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 16 05:14:12 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:14:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - disk clone over network In-Reply-To: <20070815113454.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.754bd3379e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070815113454.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.754bd3379e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Clonezilla! You can use Clonezilla Live CD and do just about anything....one thing is to upload the master image to a server via ssh (using Clonezilla) and then use Clonezilla on the rest to pull the image down. However....I have DRBL working quite well....here are the beginnings of my how-to http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfvj9xq4_25q2xn7j What I do....is turn off my regular DHCP while imaging on my LAN (for laptops you could set up a seperate little subnet or LAN) and let the DRBL server do the DHCP while imaging. Clonezilla multicast is VERY fast! http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/ I cross-posted this reply as I thought Edubuntu folks might also be interested....I used this to image MANY Edubuntu desktops. "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Can anyone recommend an application that I can use to take a good image >of a laptop and clone other laptops across the network? I have been >trying to use DRBL with no luck. I can't get the clients that boot from >the network using PXE to see the server and boot. > > >Thanks, > >Ron > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Technology Coordinator >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-1752 x30 >[ mailto:rmcdaniel at indata.us ]rmcdaniel at indata.us > >?Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which >matter least? Goethe_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From nils at breun.nl Thu Aug 16 08:29:06 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:29:06 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - disk clone over network In-Reply-To: <46C34BEF.3060705@futuresource.com> References: <20070815113454.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.754bd3379e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <46C34BEF.3060705@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1E2200F2-3DBB-4B73-B712-1FBFB2576F9C@breun.nl> Les Mikesell wrote: > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >> Can anyone recommend an application that I can use to take a good >> image of a laptop and clone other laptops across the network? I >> have been trying to use DRBL with no luck. I can't get the >> clients that boot from the network using PXE to see the server and >> boot. > > If you don't mind it taking a long time and the disks are all > identical, boot your master with a knoppix CD or the install CD in > rescue mode and: > dd if=/dev/hda | ssh server 'cat >/path/to/image_name' > the on the clones: > ssh server 'cat < /path/to/image_name' |dd of=hda > (note that this will destroy anything currently on the disk). If you don't really need ssh's encryption on the network you might want to use dd with netcat (nc) instead of ssh. Much faster! See for instance for some examples. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Thu Aug 16 09:45:03 2007 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:45:03 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - disk clone over network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46C41C9F.4000600@tclcommunications.co.nz> Udp-Cast with sysprep - my image is my worker laptop locked with gpedit and deepfreeze no need for storing images?? Regards CHUCK SYPERSKI wrote: > I am in the process of completing a open source imaging application called fog, or free open source ghost. I am about 2-3 weeks away from a release, but it uses pxe, tftp, and partimage. The project is on sourceforge. > > http://www.sf.net/projects/freeghost > > > >>>> rmcdaniel at indata.us 08/15/07 01:34PM >>> >>>> > Can anyone recommend an application that I can use to take a good image of a laptop and clone other laptops across the network? I have been trying to use DRBL with no luck. I can't get the clients that boot from the network using PXE to see the server and boot. > > > Thanks, > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Technology Coordinator > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > "Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least" Goethe > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 16 13:10:03 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:10:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - disk clone over network In-Reply-To: References: <20070815113454.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.754bd3379e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20070816130118.M65495@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:14:12 -0400, David Trask wrote > Clonezilla! You can use Clonezilla Live CD and do just about > anything....one thing is to upload the master image to a server via ssh > (using Clonezilla) and then use Clonezilla on the rest to pull the image > down. However....I have DRBL working quite well....here are the > beginnings of my how-to > > http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfvj9xq4_25q2xn7j > > What I do....is turn off my regular DHCP while imaging on my LAN (for > laptops you could set up a seperate little subnet or LAN) and let the DRBL > server do the DHCP while imaging. Clonezilla multicast is VERY fast! > > http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/ > > I cross-posted this reply as I thought Edubuntu folks might also be > interested....I used this to image MANY Edubuntu desktops. I was looking at DRBL to boot teacher machines from, so thanks for the link to the tutorial. However I would need like this to boot in conjunction with the LTSP server. I also ran into problems in the past where I could not boot from a Netboot server while the LTSP server was running. So I am now working on butchering up a dhcpd.conf file that has a few different subnets. I am hoping when finished all machines for which I do not know the mac address will get subnet A. Then all ltsp machines will get a "fixed-address" from subnet B where there will be information to boot the LTSP server and what root path. I may put another subnet where I can boot kiosks from a different tree as well. Then I plan on having subnet C loaded with the mac addresses of the new teacher machines that need to boot DRBL and place the pertinent information under there. Then I would like to add a subnet D where all Macintosh machines would be assigned and the next-server info to boot from the NetBoot server. If this all goes well I will post my results back to the list. I am sure there will be some major hair pulling in the meantime, but I am sure others could take advantage of such a setup. Here is the start of what I have if anyone is interested: authoritative; shared-network CotterLAN { # Unknown Clients assigned addresses here subnet 10.6.253.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 10.6.253.1 10.6.254.253; option domain-name "winonacotter.org"; option domain-name-server 10.6.1.50; option routers 10.6.0.1; option subnet-mask 255.255.0.0; pool { range 10.6.253.1 10.6.254.253; deny known clients; } } # Thin Clients assigned specific IP addresses here subnet 10.6.252.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { option domain-name "winonacotter.org"; option domain-name-servers 10.6.1.50; option broadcast-address 10.6.255.255; option routers 10.6.0.1; option subnet-mask 255.255.0.0; if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" { filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"; } else{ filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img"; } option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; host CHS_Main_1 { hardware ethernet xx:xx:xx:xx:xx; fixed-address 10.6.252.1; } } } -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 16 15:19:50 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:19:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom dhcpd.conf file/Offer more security? Message-ID: <20070816151105.M61804@winonacotter.org> First I apologize about the cross posting on the lists, I don't usually do this. I have been working on configuring a custom dhcpd.conf file that can will not give unknown clients the option to boot to my ltsp or netboot servers and will assign IP's for unknown clients in a different range which will also give me better filtering abilities in the firewall. I also wanted to be sure that clients in a known group of mac addresses were assigned specific IP's for setting default printers by location and such. Also I hope to be able to give different boot options by group so that one group can boot LTSP and another Netboot from a mac server. In doing this I think this could add another way to do load balancing as well, say GroupA get's next-server A and Group B get's next server B (This way many LTSP servers could be located on the same LAN and centrally located, but still boot specific groups of machines). Anyhow attached is a working sample on the start of how all this will work. If/when I get Netboot or say Diskless remote booting to work as well I will post that. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dhcpd.conf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1419 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 16 15:50:55 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:50:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fw: Custom dhcpd.conf file/Offer more security? In-Reply-To: <20070816151105.M61804@winonacotter.org> References: <20070816151105.M61804@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20070816155037.M96731@winonacotter.org> I have been working on configuring a custom dhcpd.conf file that can will not give unknown clients the option to boot to my ltsp or netboot servers and will assign IP's for unknown clients in a different range which will also give me better filtering abilities in the firewall. I also wanted to be sure that clients in a known group of mac addresses were assigned specific IP's for setting default printers by location and such. Also I hope to be able to give different boot options by group so that one group can boot LTSP and another Netboot from a mac server. In doing this I think this could add another way to do load balancing as well, say GroupA get's next-server A and Group B get's next server B (This way many LTSP servers could be located on the same LAN and centrally located, but still boot specific groups of machines). Anyhow attached is a working sample on the start of how all this will work. If/when I get Netboot or say Diskless remote booting to work as well I will post that. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have configured my settings vie the K12ltsp wiki to access an ADS domain using winbind. I am running k12ltsp 6. I can log on with domain accounts without a problem, pam_mount mounts the users share as requested, the users file show and the users can read them. But whatever settings I adjust the users till does not have write access to the mount share. The mount share is H_drive and shows permissions of drwxrwxrwx, The files and folders inside the share show files rwxrwSrwt directories drwxrwxrwx. The permissions for the account on the Windows 2003 server for the users home folder and content are "Full Control, this folder and subfolders". Anyone have any ideas what I might check or try?? Thanks, John From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 16 18:56:21 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:56:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] kernel-2.6.22.1-32.fc6 In-Reply-To: <994441ae0708161135t1fdb4e1y7a16c92c5e22ff17@mail.gmail.com> References: <46C2EE87.2030500@peopleplaces.org> <994441ae0708161135t1fdb4e1y7a16c92c5e22ff17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46C49DD5.9070803@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Dan Young wrote: > On 8/15/07, Michael Blinn wrote: >> Just a FYI: If you're running a SCSI K12V6 system, I would suggest >> _not_ upgrading to the 2.6.22.1-32.fc6 kernel w/ FC6 - Doing so will >> most likely not work, as detailed here: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=251577 and you'll >> then need to boot into previous kernel versions. > > kernel-2.6.22.2-39.fc6 is just out which reverts the async SCSI scanning. > and I just added it this to the K12LTSP repository... -Eric From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Thu Aug 16 19:04:46 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:04:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] kernel-2.6.22.1-32.fc6 In-Reply-To: <46C49DD5.9070803@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <46C2EE87.2030500@peopleplaces.org> <994441ae0708161135t1fdb4e1y7a16c92c5e22ff17@mail.gmail.com> <46C49DD5.9070803@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <46C49FCE.5090407@peopleplaces.org> You guys rock. Eric Harrison wrote: > Dan Young wrote: > >> On 8/15/07, Michael Blinn wrote: >> >>> Just a FYI: If you're running a SCSI K12V6 system, I would suggest >>> _not_ upgrading to the 2.6.22.1-32.fc6 kernel w/ FC6 - Doing so will >>> most likely not work, as detailed here: >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=251577 and you'll >>> then need to boot into previous kernel versions. >>> >> kernel-2.6.22.2-39.fc6 is just out which reverts the async SCSI scanning. >> >> > > > and I just added it this to the K12LTSP repository... > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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It works great and gives you some great advantages....at least until the "magical" dev team comes up with a way to do very simple "clustering" and so forth ;-) Anyway....here it is: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDHCPload-balancingFailover David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Thu Aug 16 21:51:23 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:51:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine, or Profiles - I'm not sure which applys! References: Message-ID: I've got a K12LTSP v6 Server up and running with Wine working. I couldn't get Reading Counts, or SRI to install though. Had a thought, my other legacy apps run over the network off a file server. So I installed SRI and all on that server and shared then mounted it like my others. Wine wouldn't run it, it was missing DLL's. Ok, no big deal, I copy those DLL's over to the system32 folder in wine. Hey it runs! But SRI looks like it gets stuck on the splash screen, actually it's trying to find the database, the window is just hidden. Ok, so I share then mount the database folder, move the window into view, point it to the folder, that I had to setup in wine as a drive and voila! SRI seems to be working, yea! Problem, I cannot do this for every student every time they log in. What do I do?! They don't have folders created on my LTSP server till pam_mkhomedir runs, so I cannot just copy all the DLL's over, plus pointing it to the database everytime would be bad too. I sticks, I can open SRI as many times as I want on one user now, no worries their. So any thoughts to help me out of this pickle. I'm avoiding using Windows Terminal Services by doing this. And considering the time constraints and situations I've had I'll look pretty good, and so will the linux K12 solution, in my bosses eye's if I can figure this one thing out. Thanks so much once again. This really has been the most helpful group of people I've known, and Eric, seriously, without this Distro I wouldn't have even got this far. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ___ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3632 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 17 02:16:41 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:16:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I'm on a roll...docs for DRBL/Clonezilla on Ubuntu Message-ID: I just posted a wiki page on installing DRBL/Clonezilla on Ubuntu for use in cloning and deploying multiple machines at once. I actually am now using it to image the workstations and backup machines in my entire school. It's VERY fast! No need for Ghost, Altiris, or any others....try DRBL/Clonezilla! https://wiki.edubuntu.org/SettingUpClonezillaDRBLonUbuntu David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Aug 17 13:51:43 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:51:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs Message-ID: <33037.216.24.126.67.1187358703.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Huck, I tried doing the startup.bat setup as you suggested. Dang the luck. This didn't make the drive show up on Vista. The smb & system logs on the file server does not show any samba errors,so I cant " see" what is failing. I'm going to upgrade Samba to 3.0.23 and see if this helps any. I have not honestly seen were anyone has Samba Shares working seamlessly with Vista though. As I said I can manually add a Samba share to each Vista machine,and can see the contents of the folder ,,,but once the workstation is rebooted the share has disappeared?. I m thinking it has something to do with Vista seeing the homefolder as \home\user.v2 rather than the xp way of \home\user (The .v2 being the killing factor.) I'm not sure how to resolve it,though. Thanks again Barry Cisna From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 17 16:10:04 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:10:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <33037.216.24.126.67.1187358703.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <33037.216.24.126.67.1187358703.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46C5C85C.1080600@paasda.org> in your /etc/passwd file... you specify your users' home directory... are they all specified as /home/user1.v2 , /home/user2.v2, etc...? or did you by chance manually tweak homedirs with a script and not make the changes in /etc/passwd? wanna post your [netlogon] and [home] or [homes] shares? and what you have in your startup.bat script as well as the path the startup.bat is in? --Huck Barry Cisna wrote: > Huck, > > I tried doing the startup.bat setup as you suggested. Dang the luck. This > didn't make the drive show up on Vista. The smb & system logs on the file > server does not show any samba errors,so I cant " see" what is failing. > I'm going to upgrade Samba to 3.0.23 and see if this helps any. > I have not honestly seen were anyone has Samba Shares working seamlessly > with Vista though. As I said I can manually add a Samba share to each > Vista machine,and can see the contents of the folder ,,,but once the > workstation is rebooted the share has disappeared?. > I m thinking it has something to do with Vista seeing the homefolder as > \home\user.v2 rather than the xp way of \home\user > (The .v2 being the killing factor.) > I'm not sure how to resolve it,though. > > Thanks again > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Fri Aug 17 16:12:24 2007 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:12:24 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Permissions issue with pam_mount In-Reply-To: <1187290007.6023.5.camel@143NB-01> References: <1187290007.6023.5.camel@143NB-01> Message-ID: <1187367144.6077.2.camel@143NB-01> OK, answering my own question with a very red face. Normally my teammate creates the Windows shares not I ... and I didn't realize the default share permissions for a new share on Windows 2003 is read only. Switched the share to full permissions and my K12LTSP server is connected to our Windows 2003 file server via ADS permissions and everything works great!! Peace, John On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 14:46 -0400, John Hansknecht wrote: > I am looking for suggestions on what to check. I have configured my > settings vie the K12ltsp wiki to access an ADS domain using winbind. I > am running k12ltsp 6. I can log on with domain accounts without a > problem, pam_mount mounts the users share as requested, the users file > show and the users can read them. But whatever settings I adjust the > users till does not have write access to the mount share. > > The mount share is H_drive and shows permissions of drwxrwxrwx, > > The files and folders inside the share show > > files rwxrwSrwt > directories drwxrwxrwx. > > The permissions for the account on the Windows 2003 server for the users > home folder and content are "Full Control, this folder and subfolders". > > Anyone have any ideas what I might check or try?? > > Thanks, > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mel at melwade.com Fri Aug 17 18:49:02 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:49:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Home Folder Mount Message-ID: <43080f460708171149k4a50b319u124d68f85e1950e3@mail.gmail.com> I'm attempting to mount home folders from AD and they don't seem to work. I have the following line in the pam_mount.conf file: volume * cifs studenta.ucastudent.net Home /home/&/Desktop/SaveHere uid=& - - But nothing mounts and I don't seen any appreciable errors in the messages file. Any help would be appreciated. Here are the lines that are not commented in the pam_mount.conf file: debug 1 mkmountpoint 1 options_allow nosuid,nodev,loop,encryption,fsck lsof /usr/sbin/lsof %(MNTPT) fsck /sbin/fsck -p %(FSCKTARGET) losetup /sbin/losetup -p0 "%(before=\"-e\" CIPHER)" "%(before=\"-k\" KEYBITS)" %(FSCKLOOP) %(VOLUME) unlosetup /sbin/losetup -d %(FSCKLOOP) cifsmount /bin/mount -t cifs //%(SERVER)/%(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) -o "username=%(USER),uid=%(USERUID),gid=%(USERGID)%(before=\",\" OPTIONS)" smbmount /usr/bin/smbmount //%(SERVER)/%(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) -o "username=%(USER),uid=%(USERUID),gid=%(USERGID)%(before=\",\" OPTIONS)" ncpmount /usr/bin/ncpmount %(SERVER)/%(USER) %(MNTPT) -o "pass-fd=0,volume=%(VOLUME)%(before=\",\" OPTIONS)" smbumount /usr/bin/smbumount %(MNTPT) ncpumount /usr/bin/ncpumount %(MNTPT) fusemount /sbin/mount.fuse %(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) "%(before=\"-o\" OPTIONS)" fuseumount /usr/bin/fusermount -u %(MNTPT) umount /bin/umount %(MNTPT) lclmount /bin/mount -p0 -t %(FSTYPE) %(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) "%(before=\"-o\" OPTIONS)" cryptmount /bin/mount -t crypt "%(before=\"-o\" OPTIONS)" %(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) nfsmount /bin/mount %(SERVER):%(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) "%(before=\"-o\" OPTIONS)" mntagain /bin/mount --bind %(PREVMNTPT) %(MNTPT) mntcheck /bin/mount # For BSDs (don't have /etc/mtab) pmvarrun /usr/sbin/pmvarrun -u %(USER) -o %(OPERATION) volume * cifs studenta.ucastudent.net Home /home/&/Desktop uid=& - - -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 19:36:04 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:36:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Home Folder Mount In-Reply-To: <43080f460708171149k4a50b319u124d68f85e1950e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708171149k4a50b319u124d68f85e1950e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50708171236p28dffffdtffa4e2beb59d142d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mel, I was never able to use cifs with pam_mount I always had to use smb_fs. You might try that. hth, John On 8/17/07, Mel Wade wrote: > I'm attempting to mount home folders from AD and they don't seem to work. I > have the following line in the pam_mount.conf file: > > volume * cifs studenta.ucastudent.net Home /home/&/Desktop/SaveHere uid=& - > - > > But nothing mounts and I don't seen any appreciable errors in the messages > file. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Here are the lines that are not commented in the pam_mount.conf file: > > debug 1 > mkmountpoint 1 > options_allow nosuid,nodev,loop,encryption,fsck > lsof /usr/sbin/lsof %(MNTPT) > fsck /sbin/fsck -p %(FSCKTARGET) > losetup /sbin/losetup -p0 "%(before=\"-e\" CIPHER)" "%(before=\"-k\" > KEYBITS)" %(FSCKLOOP) %(VOLUME) > unlosetup /sbin/losetup -d %(FSCKLOOP) > cifsmount /bin/mount -t cifs //%(SERVER)/%(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) -o > "username=%(USER),uid=%(USERUID),gid=%(USERGID)%(before=\",\" > OPTIONS)" > smbmount /usr/bin/smbmount //%(SERVER)/%(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) -o > "username=%(USER),uid=%(USERUID),gid=%(USERGID)%(before=\",\" > OPTIONS)" > ncpmount /usr/bin/ncpmount %(SERVER)/%(USER) %(MNTPT) -o > "pass-fd=0,volume=%(VOLUME)%(before=\",\" OPTIONS)" > smbumount /usr/bin/smbumount %(MNTPT) > ncpumount /usr/bin/ncpumount %(MNTPT) > fusemount /sbin/mount.fuse %(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) "%(before=\"-o\" OPTIONS)" > fuseumount /usr/bin/fusermount -u %(MNTPT) > umount /bin/umount %(MNTPT) > lclmount /bin/mount -p0 -t %(FSTYPE) %(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) "%(before=\"-o\" > OPTIONS)" > cryptmount /bin/mount -t crypt "%(before=\"-o\" OPTIONS)" %(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) > nfsmount /bin/mount %(SERVER):%(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) "%(before=\"-o\" OPTIONS)" > mntagain /bin/mount --bind %(PREVMNTPT) %(MNTPT) > mntcheck /bin/mount # For BSDs (don't have /etc/mtab) > pmvarrun /usr/sbin/pmvarrun -u %(USER) -o %(OPERATION) > volume * cifs studenta.ucastudent.net Home /home/&/Desktop uid=& - - > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Aug 17 19:52:23 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:52:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs Message-ID: <41516.192.168.254.3.1187380343.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello List, I thought Id throw this out, in regards to my continuing saga of Samba shares & Windows Vista. I took one of our new Vista laptops home with me, as I have FC5 / Samba 3.0.23 and Samba configured as a Windows PDC on my home k12ltsp v5.0. The Vista( Business edition) laptop joined easily to my domain and also shows the H: \ home folder fine at login the same as it does for XP machines. Didn't have to do any hocus pocus or anything to get it to work:) So I m not sure if the problem I m having at school is too old version of Samba, & or it is that Windows 2003 server AD DC is messing with Smaba and Vista all throw into the mix.We are using an old version FC3 /Samba 3.0.1 at the school as our file server /home folders server. AS I said this works fine for XP box domain logins. So I didn't want to break something that is working flawlessly. I m going to try and do an upgrade of Samba onto the FC3 fileserver at school and see if this does the trick. If it does not I'll be reformatting and installing a fresh install of FC5/ K12LTSP v5.0 , same as what I have at home to resolve the Vista prob( Hopefully!).. Hope this helps someone that may be contemplating having to throw some Vista boxes onto their school domain:) Thanks, Barry Cisna From mel at melwade.com Fri Aug 17 20:33:19 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:33:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Home Folder Mount In-Reply-To: <2be970b50708171236p28dffffdtffa4e2beb59d142d@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708171149k4a50b319u124d68f85e1950e3@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50708171236p28dffffdtffa4e2beb59d142d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460708171333o6b84e6d7qe7c6dd1950b0003d@mail.gmail.com> Interesting... I got it working last year! That was on K12LSTP6, now I'm using 5EL... On 8/17/07, john wrote: > > Hi Mel, > > I was never able to use cifs with pam_mount I always had to use > smb_fs. 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John From karisue at gmail.com Sat Aug 18 00:34:30 2007 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:34:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu workstation install In-Reply-To: <44D6B1EF.8040707@taulman.org> References: <44D6B1EF.8040707@taulman.org> Message-ID: For anyone who's curious, I got smbldap ala Matt Oquist up and going today. I did a fresh server install w/ Ubuntu 7.04 and then did a workstation install w/ Edubuntu 7.04 (server ed, installed as workstation). I got these directions from Tracy Taulman -- thanks Tracy! The only things that are not included are: 1. You have to chown the home directories after you export them. We do "wsadmin" on the workstations and "administrator" on the server to avoid confusion. 2. smbldap-useradd and smbldap-passwd to create users by hand, if that is the method of choice, obviously. This is what I did to test the server -- added a few users quickly, just to see if this was all going to work or be for naught. 3. Use Nautilus to create the folder on the server in /home and change the owner to owner of directory 4. I am manually adding a printer to each workstation -- haven't figured out how to send those jobs thru the server. Anyone have a fast tip on that? I don't have a high-powered server, but I do have 20 lovely computers w/ 40GB hd's. It is not the funnest in the world to maintain these, but it's not too bad. Anyway, wanted to show you all how I used Matt's script -- no big whoop, I suppose, but I thought someone out there might find this useful. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tracy Taulman Here are the steps that I worked out from before. They still look good and should work just fine for you: 1. Install Edubuntu workstation option 2. On first boot do this: 1. Create an 'administrator' user during install. 2. CTRL+ALT+F1, login as admin sudo su - (<--- to become root) mv /home/administrator /admininistrator usermod -d /administrator admininistrator 3. CTRL+ALT+F2, login as admininistrator to make sure things are working ok 3. Logout and hit F7 to login to graphical 4. Change repositories in Synaptic Package Manager (add Universe and Multi-universe) 5. Put on all updates. 6. Reboot workstation 7. Download smbldap at http://majen.net/smbldap version 2.1 or so 8. Open the archive and extract it. 9. Open a terminal window and cd to smbldap-installer 10. sudo ./smbldap ubuntuclient 11. sudo gedit /etc/udev/permissions.rules Find the sound device section Add MODE="0666", in front of GROUP="audio" 12. Open Synaptic Package Manager and search for portmap and autofs add and apply both 13. Configure the automounter to mount the home directories as needed. 1. Edit /etc/auto.master add: 2. /home /etc/auto.homes --timeout=60 3. Edit /etc/auto.homes 4. * 192.168.0.168:/home/& 14. Restart the computer and logon as a LDAP client! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Sat Aug 18 05:12:23 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:12:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine, or Profiles - I'm not sure which applys! References: Message-ID: Hate to reply to myself, but I figured out I could use the /etc/skel/.wine to do what I need to do after some chatting in #winehq . I do have a legal question though if there is anyone out there who is good with that. I copied native dlls from a system running SRI/Reading Counts!, but only from the scholastic folder. Is that ok as long as I own the scholastic software and have rights to install it as needed. Or is there a microsoft issue there I should no about? Thanks again. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Kemp, Levi Sent: Thu 8/16/2007 4:51 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Wine, or Profiles - I'm not sure which applys! I've got a K12LTSP v6 Server up and running with Wine working. I couldn't get Reading Counts, or SRI to install though. Had a thought, my other legacy apps run over the network off a file server. So I installed SRI and all on that server and shared then mounted it like my others. Wine wouldn't run it, it was missing DLL's. Ok, no big deal, I copy those DLL's over to the system32 folder in wine. Hey it runs! But SRI looks like it gets stuck on the splash screen, actually it's trying to find the database, the window is just hidden. Ok, so I share then mount the database folder, move the window into view, point it to the folder, that I had to setup in wine as a drive and voila! SRI seems to be working, yea! Problem, I cannot do this for every student every time they log in. What do I do?! They don't have folders created on my LTSP server till pam_mkhomedir runs, so I cannot just copy all the DLL's over, plus pointing it to the database everytime would be bad too. I sticks, I can open SRI as many times as I want on one user now, no worries their. So any thoughts to help me out of this pickle. I'm avoiding using Windows Terminal Services by doing this. And considering the time constraints and situations I've had I'll look pretty good, and so will the linux K12 solution, in my bosses eye's if I can figure this one thing out. Thanks so much once again. This really has been the most helpful group of people I've known, and Eric, seriously, without this Distro I wouldn't have even got this far. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us ___ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm still thinking it has something to do with the Vista "fast browsing" and or the ext .v2 that Vista looks for on the home folders as I've seen this in some other Samba/ Vista problems post. I've never seen a 1. 2. 3. do this fix for it,though:(. Also I forgot, what is the command you run to parse the samba file for integrity? I completely forgot just now? ..testparrm??...maybe.. I'm guessing I am going to have to update Samba to at least 3.0.23 to make this get fixed:(..Which menas fresh install of something like FC% which probably should be done anyway. Thanks Barry Cisna From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 18 20:31:51 2007 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] anyone using the network "recycle bin" with samba? Message-ID: <853278.26237.qm@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> I used the Samba network recycle bin all last year for a combined middle/high school with a total of somewhere over 1000 students. It was drop-dead simple both to set up and to use. It even recovers gracefully from having itself deleted by a student (which happens remarkably often) by silently recreating itself the next time it's needed. My experience was students get confused if "local trash" and "network trash" have different time limits, especially if they sometimes use a Windows computer configured to have a completely different trash retention policy. I also found students are remarkably bad at "empty your trash". All kinds of crud builds up in there, and you may find yourself running short of disk space. A maintenance script that runs out of `cron` and uses `find` to identify and delete any files that have been in the recycle bin longer than (pick your value, I for example used 30 days) is almost required. thanks! -Chuck Kollars > ...I am looking at setting up a network recycle bin > for my samba users ... Has anyone else done this, > I'd love to hear the good and the bad. ... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From jmaier at icsptk.org Sun Aug 19 12:33:43 2007 From: jmaier at icsptk.org (Jacob Maier) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:33:43 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] problem with pivot root identifing the nic Message-ID: <46C838A7.3040006@icsptk.org> Hi Everyone I am going to try and explain my problem one more time. I bought a bunch of ASUS vintage 2 AH2 bare bone kits (m2npv-vm motherboards) added memory and processor to be my clients. I am using k12ltsp version 6 as the server. I see the client start up and get the DHCP and TFTP fine. It then begins the second boot and tells me it can not identify the NIC and aborts. I know that the generic forcedeth driver will work or I can install a driver from the NVIDIA website. what I need to know is how to I force the kernel to use one of these modules. Failing this I can boot from USB thumb drives. In which case what small distro would you recommend and what do I have to add to make sure it works properly with the server. School is starting in two days so I need to get thing done. Thanks in advance. Jacob Maier From jam at mcquil.com Sun Aug 19 14:59:49 2007 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:59:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] problem with pivot root identifing the nic In-Reply-To: <46C838A7.3040006@icsptk.org> References: <46C838A7.3040006@icsptk.org> Message-ID: <46C85AE5.3010606@McQuil.com> Jacob, You need to pass an option to the kernel, so it knows which module to load. I think the parameter you want to pass is 'NIC=forcedeth'. I'm assuming you are using PXE to boot the clients, so you'll need to add that to the PXE config file. Take a look at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions#PXE For information about how to pass that option to the kernel. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Jacob Maier wrote: > Hi Everyone > I am going to try and explain my problem one more time. > I bought a bunch of ASUS vintage 2 AH2 bare bone kits (m2npv-vm > motherboards) added memory and processor to be my clients. > I am using k12ltsp version 6 as the server. > I see the client start up and get the DHCP and TFTP fine. It then begins > the second boot and tells me it can not identify the NIC and aborts. > I know that the generic forcedeth driver will work or I can install a > driver from the NVIDIA website. what I need to know is how to I force > the kernel to use one of these modules. > Failing this I can boot from USB thumb drives. In which case what small > distro would you recommend and what do I have to add to make sure it > works properly with the server. > School is starting in two days so I need to get thing done. > Thanks in advance. > Jacob Maier > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Aug 19 16:29:04 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:29:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] problem with pivot root identifing the nic Message-ID: <43243.192.168.254.3.1187540944.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Jacob, It sounds like your clients are very close to booting, but I bet IRQ/DMA or something is choking them. Do the following as this may reveal a little more details. In a terminal do: tail -f /var/log/messages ( on the server) then,,, boot one of your clients and post back here what you are getting in the [output] message log. If you can't figure it out, I've found its about as easy to buy some $5 Realtek8139 pci nics and throw in any clients that are giving you fits and move on to something else:). These always work without a hitch! Here is a pretty good link that tells about that Nvidia nic & kind of explains all the nitty gritty on the Nvidia nic driver: http://dev.gentoo.org/~dsd/nforce-net-to-forcedeth.htm Take Care Barry Cisna From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Aug 19 16:35:46 2007 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:35:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying workstations from eth0 to eth1 In-Reply-To: <46C488EC.5010606@paasda.org> References: <46C39DB5.4090003@paasda.org> <46C488EC.5010606@paasda.org> Message-ID: <76E4391F-DD3A-4407-91E5-DB5350F831AE@mindfirestudios.com> What kind of content filter/proxy do you have on the gateway?? The only thing you should have to turn on is forwarding for workstations which have the LTSP server between them and the gateway. The gateway should take care of the rest. It's very difficult to do the proxy/filter on the LTSP server. It's really meant to be run on the gateway. Trust me, I've tried this in a one server school. You basically end up filtering non-root outgoing and all forwarding traffic through a complicated iptables mess. On Aug 16, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Huck wrote: > Yay...a breakthrough this morning... > > just turning on those services 'transparent-proxying' etc.etc.etc.. > doesn't do much ;) > > one must actually edit the /etc/squid.conf file (and > squidGuard.conf if they plan on filtering anything) > > and there these are the items I edit'd: > > http_port 192.168.0.254:3128 transparent (to allow transparent > proxying) > > THEN-----in the ACL section... > > acl ltsp src 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > > > THEN-----in the http_access section > > http_access allow ltsp > > > and finally...the line to redirect stuff through SquidGuard..I put > as the last line of the file > > redirect_program /usr/bin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf > > > > now...this oddly still bypasses my content filter set up at my > gateway..and I'm not sure why...(thus I had to put squidGuard on > the local LTSP box as well)...but now my windows users behind my > LTSP server can transparent proxy in joy. > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mel at melwade.com Sun Aug 19 21:08:16 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:08:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki Error Message-ID: <43080f460708191408x7aaea0fj92ee9a30c582ab93@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to edit a wiki page and get then error upon submit: Method Not Implemented POST to /mediawiki/index.php not supported. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From mel at melwade.com Sun Aug 19 21:16:07 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:16:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Home Folder Mounting Twist Message-ID: <43080f460708191416p67aae3b2g6cb3244b2656ee08@mail.gmail.com> Here's a little twist to home folder mounting. I'll add it to the wiki when I can, but thought I would share it now fwiw: ===Mounting only an individual user's folder=== The instructions above will mount only the share that contains all the AD home folders. But we often want to mount the specific user's folder and not a folder that lists all the shares. Samba will not allow mounting of a folder under a share so we have to pull a little trick out of our hat. Here is the code I use, please adapt for your use. I've added commented lines to explain each preceeding line. volume * cifs studenta Home /mnt/HomeShare dir_mode=0700,file_mode=0700,uid=& - - #volume * cifs servername share hiddenmountpoint settings - - volume * local - /mnt/HomeShare/& /home/UCASTUDENT/&/Desktop/SaveHere bind - - #volume * local - hiddenmountpoint/& pathtouserdesktop/FolderName bind - - -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Mon Aug 20 12:08:58 2007 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:08:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine Problem Message-ID: <46C94C1A0200003C000015D5@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Hi Everybody, I know this is border line heretical, but please bear with me. My boss won't let me put in k12ltsp labs unless there is office 2000 available. I don't like it, but I trust that when the teachers have openoffice and office2k to compare, the choice will be obvious. Nevertheless, I am having a problem getting wine working for multiple users. I made a directory under /usr/local/wineapps and symlinked that to ~/.wine for my user account. I installed office and it runs perfectly under my username. My thinking was that I could make /usr/local/wineapps read only and make a symlink to it from every other user's ~/.wine directory. When I tried this out, it told me that the product wasn't installed. Has anyone seen this before or come up with a good solution for using office2k on k12ltsp? I am running k12ltsp 6, x64. Thanks, Joe Korzeniewski Network Administrator Battle Creek Public Schools p. 269-965-9667 c. 269-209-9677 From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Aug 20 14:51:10 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:51:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Wine Problem Message-ID: <38730.216.24.126.67.1187621470.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Joe, This is an easy fix for your Wine problem. Install your MS Officewxx ( and whatever other windows apps) as any user. Once you have all your windows apps installed make a directory named wine in the root of your HD. In Nautulis make sure your hidden files are shown ( temporarily). GO the user's home folder you installed the apps as [EX: userone] then copy the dosdevices and the and drive-c directories and the system, user,& userdef file as well to the wine directory. Make sure the permissions on all the these dir and files are 755. Now all users will have access to these:). Make a launcher on the desktop for each of the windows apps as root then push out by dragging to the "All users" folder on the root's desktop. The only downside to this is everyone ends up with all the MS Office launcher icons on their desktops. I don't know had to get them added into the start menu? Someone else on here ,I m sure can tell you how to do this to make this setup neater. This will work though as Ive tried this. Hope this helps. Barry Cisna From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Aug 20 15:45:41 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:45:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine Problem In-Reply-To: <46C94C1A0200003C000015D5@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> References: <46C94C1A0200003C000015D5@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <46C9B725.6090607@cmosnetworks.com> Does your boss know that MS Office 2000 is not much longer for this world, in terms of support and bug fixes? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I know this is border line heretical, but please bear with me. My boss won't let me put in k12ltsp labs unless there is office 2000 available. I don't like it, but I trust that when the teachers have openoffice and office2k to compare, the choice will be obvious. Nevertheless, I am having a problem getting wine working for multiple users. I made a directory under /usr/local/wineapps and symlinked that to ~/.wine for my user account. I installed office and it runs perfectly under my username. My thinking was that I could make /usr/local/wineapps read only and make a symlink to it from every other user's ~/.wine directory. When I tried this out, it told me that the product wasn't installed. Has anyone seen this before or come up with a good solution for using office2k on k12ltsp? I am running k12ltsp 6, x64. > > Thanks, > > > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I just edited my user page OK. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 20 21:23:50 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:23:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <42554.192.168.254.3.1187439862.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <42554.192.168.254.3.1187439862.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46CA0666.1000507@paasda.org> Barry Cisna wrote: > Hi Huck, > > Here are my listings for Samba. Maybe Ive got something malformed > somewhere. I'm good at that:). > > [netlogon] > path = /home/netlogon # This dir is here BTW > share modes = No > > [home] > comment = homes for domain > path = %H > read only = No > > startup.bat has: > net use h: \\ltspserver\home > ( I ran unix2dos on this after creating and placing it in the > \home\netlogon directory & changing both DIR and startup.bat to 755 perms) > > Question: Shouldn't I need to designate somewhere in the globals of Samba > to run the startup.bat file? duuuuhh me.. Yes...you should designate it.. logon script = startup.bat logon drive = H: that is what I have. and for [home] I have the following: comment = Home Directories browseable = no writable = yes and for [netlogon] I have the following: comment = Network Logon Service path = /usr/local/samba/lib/netlogon (MINE..not yours ;) guest ok = yes writable = no share modes = no and that's it... --Huck From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Mon Aug 20 21:49:42 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:49:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine Problem References: <46C94C1A0200003C000015D5@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> <46C9B725.6090607@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: I've had the same problem lately. I've had to incorporate Reading Counts! and SRI into my K12LTSP lab. I've just been running the exe from a shared local folder and making sure the dll's are in all the users .wine, using /ect/skel/ . It works for me, but I don't know if you'd be able to do the same. I have a related question but I'll start a new thread. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of "Terrell Prud? Jr." Sent: Mon 8/20/2007 10:45 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Wine Problem Does your boss know that MS Office 2000 is not much longer for this world, in terms of support and bug fixes? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I know this is border line heretical, but please bear with me. My boss won't let me put in k12ltsp labs unless there is office 2000 available. I don't like it, but I trust that when the teachers have openoffice and office2k to compare, the choice will be obvious. Nevertheless, I am having a problem getting wine working for multiple users. 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The odd thing is that even though it gets the right user on the server, it's insterting an entirely different computer name. Is this a samba or wine problem with not releasing the session? Or is it a windows issue that I'm dealing with? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've been working hard to get this to go. I wonder if having the database on my server would work. And if I could set it up to have it sync. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3106 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cgrossko at wusd.org Mon Aug 20 23:26:48 2007 From: cgrossko at wusd.org (Cody Grosskopf) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:26:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine and Server 2003 Problem Message-ID: <46C9C0C8020000BC00005F0B@wusdweb.wusd.org> Levi, This response is in no help at all. I just had a question, are you running the Enterprise version of Reading Counts or is it an older version? I have tried to install Reading Counts with wine and crossover with no success, though I have not tried an older version just the new Enterprise version. Thanks! Cody >>> "Kemp, Levi" 08/20/07 3:00 PM >>> The programs I'm using in wine have a database sitting on a Server 2003. When I open say reading counts, it works right away and asks for a user name. Same would happen if say I opened up SRI first. But if I close one and go to open the other, or the same one again, I get an error with the database, saying either it cannot be opened (SRI), or another user has the database opened in exclusive mode (Reading Counts!). I can fix this by logging onto the server and closing the session of the user in question. The odd thing is that even though it gets the right user on the server, it's insterting an entirely different computer name. Is this a samba or wine problem with not releasing the session? Or is it a windows issue that I'm dealing with? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've been working hard to get this to go. I wonder if having the database on my server would work. And if I could set it up to have it sync. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 20 23:50:31 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:50:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Oregon users: packages for OAKS (Oregon Assessment of Knowledge and Skills) Message-ID: <46CA28C7.9090109@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I packaged up the official OAKS configurations for K12LTSP & created an "OAKS" session type that functions in the same way that my old TESA session worked. Just run 'yum install oregon-oaks' and your K12LTSP server will be setup for testing ;-) -Eric From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 12:19:24 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:19:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients freezing? Message-ID: This morning all of the users' sessions are freezing after 3-5 minutes of use. The mouse 'moves', but the keyboard is unresponsive, and you can't click on anything at all. Given that nothing has been patched or upgraded, it is very confusing as since this just started yesterday. Rebooting the thin client and you can log back in, but then 3-5 minutes later, everything hangs again. Is it some sort of X-server issue? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 12:33:10 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:33:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Thin clients freezing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A quick add-on. Is it possible that this is due to something hanging with Firefox? I have tried deleting the .mozilla directory for some users, but they still hang. However, the system also shows Firefox using 30%-50% of the cpu for a single instance of the browser, and the user isn't doing anything at all but viewing a static page. On 8/21/07, David Hopkins wrote: > > This morning all of the users' sessions are freezing after 3-5 minutes of > use. The mouse 'moves', but the keyboard is unresponsive, and you can't > click on anything at all. Given that nothing has been patched or upgraded, > it is very confusing as since this just started yesterday. Rebooting the > thin client and you can log back in, but then 3-5 minutes later, everything > hangs again. Is it some sort of X-server issue? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Aug 21 14:15:12 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:15:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine and Server 2003 Problem References: <46C9C0C8020000BC00005F0B@wusdweb.wusd.org> Message-ID: I didn't actually install it using Wine. I installed it on a windows server (the client portion as well) and then shared and mounted the scholastic folder. Then I ran the executables with wine in terminal to see what was going wrong. It pointed to some dll's missing so I copied them into the .wine system32 folder and it worked. We are using v3 of reading counts/sri, not enterprise edition. Sorry if I made it sound like I had installed it on the ltsp server. I'm still at a loss on this though. I just realized Root has no problem opening and closing either app as many times as it wants. I cannot figure out the difference between what a normal user is running and what root is running. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Cody Grosskopf Sent: Mon 8/20/2007 6:26 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Wine and Server 2003 Problem Levi, This response is in no help at all. I just had a question, are you running the Enterprise version of Reading Counts or is it an older version? I have tried to install Reading Counts with wine and crossover with no success, though I have not tried an older version just the new Enterprise version. Thanks! Cody >>> "Kemp, Levi" 08/20/07 3:00 PM >>> The programs I'm using in wine have a database sitting on a Server 2003. When I open say reading counts, it works right away and asks for a user name. Same would happen if say I opened up SRI first. But if I close one and go to open the other, or the same one again, I get an error with the database, saying either it cannot be opened (SRI), or another user has the database opened in exclusive mode (Reading Counts!). I can fix this by logging onto the server and closing the session of the user in question. The odd thing is that even though it gets the right user on the server, it's insterting an entirely different computer name. Is this a samba or wine problem with not releasing the session? Or is it a windows issue that I'm dealing with? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've been working hard to get this to go. I wonder if having the database on my server would work. And if I could set it up to have it sync. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I need to have all 4 port trunk on the same IP address. I've done this before in Windows, but not sure how to accomplish this in Linux. All the ports are recognized. I'm running K12LSTP 5.0EL 64bit -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 21 16:18:59 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:18:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki Error In-Reply-To: <43080f460708210821y1352c7bw7301895a6f9ec231@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708191408x7aaea0fj92ee9a30c582ab93@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0708201059s62ce36a4q7a41f6bcc707e09@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460708210821y1352c7bw7301895a6f9ec231@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0708210918r4a117119ka212705217df3264@mail.gmail.com> On 8/21/07, Mel Wade wrote: > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Technical:ADIntegration mod_security experiment gone awry. Should work now. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 21 16:23:34 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:23:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Pro1000 Quad Port In-Reply-To: <43080f460708210913i604ae5dcga7fd4d516d0b8bea@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708210913i604ae5dcga7fd4d516d0b8bea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0708210923h2cb83563ifc62615a65a277e6@mail.gmail.com> On 8/21/07, Mel Wade wrote: > I've got an Intel Pro1000 Quad Port in my server. I need to have all > 4 port trunk on the same IP address. I've done this before in > Windows, but not sure how to accomplish this in Linux. All the ports > are recognized. I'm running K12LSTP 5.0EL 64bit This seems to be in the right vein: http://cs.thefoleyhouse.co.uk/blogs/karl/archive/2006/11/29/linux-nic-bonding.aspx -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Tue Aug 21 17:09:26 2007 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:09:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine Problem Message-ID: <46CAE4070200003C00001785@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Barry, Thanks for your reply. I followed your instructions (although they weren't too different than what I had tried before). Here's what happens. After I copied everything over to /wine and changed perms to 0755 I still couldn't get it to run (still tells me it isn't installed). I did kind of make it work by copying the *.reg files from /wine to ~/.wine but it kept giving me an error every time I started it. Did it just simply work for you or was there something else? I did already make the menu items by right clicking on the menu bar and clicking edit menu. Then I moved the .desktop files from my home directory to /usr/share/applications and copied the .config and .gconf folders to /etc/skel. They are pretty icons... but that doesn't mean much if they don't do anything :-D Thanks again, -Joe Joe Korzeniewski Network Administrator Battle Creek Public Schools p. 269-965-9667 c. 269-209-9677 >>> Barry Cisna 08/20/07 10:51 AM >>> Hi Joe, This is an easy fix for your Wine problem. Install your MS Officewxx ( and whatever other windows apps) as any user. Once you have all your windows apps installed make a directory named wine in the root of your HD. In Nautulis make sure your hidden files are shown ( temporarily). GO the user's home folder you installed the apps as [EX: userone] then copy the dosdevices and the and drive-c directories and the system, user,& userdef file as well to the wine directory. Make sure the permissions on all the these dir and files are 755. Now all users will have access to these:). Make a launcher on the desktop for each of the windows apps as root then push out by dragging to the "All users" folder on the root's desktop. The only downside to this is everyone ends up with all the MS Office launcher icons on their desktops. I don't know had to get them added into the start menu? Someone else on here ,I m sure can tell you how to do this to make this setup neater. This will work though as Ive tried this. Hope this helps. Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 21 18:19:10 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:19:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine Problem In-Reply-To: <46CAE4070200003C00001785@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> References: <46CAE4070200003C00001785@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <46CB2C9E.5050609@cmosnetworks.com> Would CrossOver Office Server edition be an option? I know from past experience that MS Office 2000 does work on it for multiple users, and they make it quite easy to do the multiple-user apps thing (i. e. what you're trying to do). --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > Barry, > > Thanks for your reply. I followed your instructions (although they weren't too different than what I had tried before). Here's what happens. After I copied everything over to /wine and changed perms to 0755 I still couldn't get it to run (still tells me it isn't installed). I did kind of make it work by copying the *.reg files from /wine to ~/.wine but it kept giving me an error every time I started it. Did it just simply work for you or was there something else? I did already make the menu items by right clicking on the menu bar and clicking edit menu. Then I moved the .desktop files from my home directory to /usr/share/applications and copied the .config and .gconf folders to /etc/skel. They are pretty icons... but that doesn't mean much if they don't do anything :-D > > Thanks again, > > -Joe > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > >>>> Barry Cisna 08/20/07 10:51 AM >>> >>>> > Hi Joe, > > This is an easy fix for your Wine problem. Install your MS Officewxx ( > and whatever other windows apps) as any user. Once you have all your > windows apps installed make a directory named wine in the root of your > HD. In Nautulis make sure your hidden files are shown ( temporarily). GO > the user's home folder you installed the apps as [EX: userone] then copy > the dosdevices and the and drive-c directories and the system, user,& > userdef file as well to the wine directory. Make sure the permissions on > all the these dir and files are 755. > Now all users will have access to these:). > Make a launcher on the desktop for each of the windows apps as root then > push out by dragging to the "All users" folder on the root's desktop. > The only downside to this is everyone ends up with all the MS Office > launcher icons on their desktops. I don't know had to get them added into > the start menu? Someone else on here ,I m sure can tell you how to do this > to make this setup neater. > This will work though as Ive tried this. > Hope this helps. > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 20:30:30 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:30:30 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine Problem In-Reply-To: <46CB2C9E.5050609@cmosnetworks.com> References: <46CAE4070200003C00001785@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> <46CB2C9E.5050609@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Crossover Office Professsional will do the trick. On 22/08/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > Would CrossOver Office Server edition be an option? I know from past > experience that MS Office 2000 does work on it for multiple users, and they > make it quite easy to do the multiple-user apps thing (i. e. what you're > trying to do). > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > Barry, > > Thanks for your reply. I followed your instructions (although they weren't too different than what I had tried before). Here's what happens. After I copied everything over to /wine and changed perms to 0755 I still couldn't get it to run (still tells me it isn't installed). I did kind of make it work by copying the *.reg files from /wine to ~/.wine but it kept giving me an error every time I started it. Did it just simply work for you or was there something else? I did already make the menu items by right clicking on the menu bar and clicking edit menu. Then I moved the .desktop files from my home directory to /usr/share/applications and copied the .config and .gconf folders to /etc/skel. They are pretty icons... but that doesn't mean much if they don't do anything :-D > > Thanks again, > > -Joe > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > Barry Cisna 08/20/07 10:51 AM >>> > > Hi Joe, > > This is an easy fix for your Wine problem. Install your MS Officewxx ( > and whatever other windows apps) as any user. Once you have all your > windows apps installed make a directory named wine in the root of your > HD. In Nautulis make sure your hidden files are shown ( temporarily). GO > the user's home folder you installed the apps as [EX: userone] then copy > the dosdevices and the and drive-c directories and the system, user,& > userdef file as well to the wine directory. Make sure the permissions on > all the these dir and files are 755. > Now all users will have access to these:). > Make a launcher on the desktop for each of the windows apps as root then > push out by dragging to the "All users" folder on the root's desktop. > The only downside to this is everyone ends up with all the MS Office > launcher icons on their desktops. I don't know had to get them added into > the start menu? 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See this thread https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-May/msg00248.html -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From matrimble at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 00:08:10 2007 From: matrimble at gmail.com (Mark Trimble) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:08:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0.1 EL DVD Install Looking for CDs In-Reply-To: References: <17b895960708211343n54d62134r8971525433f31b96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17b895960708211708l539801b4i50c14ec243989a8c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Robert, Based on your referenced thread, I gather you ended up installing with some media source other than DVD (or got a Dell Celeron Home series machine ;-)). Trouble is, I don't have another machine available at the moment to create an NFS share on or to serve as a HTTP host and I'm not quite sure yet how to setup a hard disk installation. Mark On 8/21/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 8/21/07, Mark Trimble wrote: > > Hi, > > > > When running a DVD install of 5.0.1 EL and I select CDROM as the install > > media (there is no DVD option), the install stops, ejects the DVD and > > reports that it cannot find a CentOS install CD. I must have skipped a > step > > somewhere, but am not sure where. > > I had the same problem. See this thread > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-May/msg00248.html > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Wed Aug 22 00:33:11 2007 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:33:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <41516.192.168.254.3.1187380343.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <41516.192.168.254.3.1187380343.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46CB8447.8000006@physics.isu.edu> In my testing using Vista boxes as clients doesn't work well with Samba < 3.0.23 3.0.25 also adds some Vista performance fixes, and 3.0.25c was just released. Perhaps distros will backport some of the fixes. Here is a list of current Samba 3.0 bugs relating to Vista. Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > I thought Id throw this out, in regards to my continuing saga of Samba > shares & Windows Vista. I took one of our new Vista laptops home with me, > as I have FC5 / Samba 3.0.23 and Samba configured as a Windows PDC on my > home k12ltsp v5.0. The Vista( Business edition) laptop joined easily to my > domain and also shows the H: \ home folder fine at login the same as it > does for XP machines. Didn't have to do any hocus pocus or anything to get > it to work:) > So I m not sure if the problem I m having at school is too old version of > Samba, & or it is that Windows 2003 server AD DC is messing with Smaba > and Vista all throw into the mix.We are using an old version FC3 /Samba > 3.0.1 at the school as our file server /home folders server. AS I said > this works fine for XP box domain logins. So I didn't want to break > something that is working flawlessly. > I m going to try and do an upgrade of Samba onto the FC3 fileserver at > school and see if this does the trick. If it does not I'll be reformatting > and installing a fresh install of FC5/ K12LTSP v5.0 , same as what I have > at home to resolve the Vista prob( Hopefully!).. > Hope this helps someone that may be contemplating having to throw some > Vista boxes onto their school domain:) > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 01:24:24 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:24:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0.1 EL DVD Install Looking for CDs In-Reply-To: <17b895960708211708l539801b4i50c14ec243989a8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <17b895960708211343n54d62134r8971525433f31b96@mail.gmail.com> <17b895960708211708l539801b4i50c14ec243989a8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/21/07, Mark Trimble wrote: > Hi Robert, > > Based on your referenced thread, I gather you ended up installing with some > media source other than DVD (or got a Dell Celeron Home series machine ;-)). > Trouble is, I don't have another machine available at the moment to create > an NFS share on or to serve as a HTTP host and I'm not quite sure yet how to > setup a hard disk installation. Yes I used another box to do an NFS install. Well even a laptop will work, if you have one. Darn shame it doesn't work the way it's supposed to. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us Wed Aug 22 01:52:31 2007 From: rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us (rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:52:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy settings for Software Updater Message-ID: <8B602A36C2AC4998986E44ED9445D0E3.MAI@schooldesk.net> We recently implemented a new content filter/firewall at our school requiring all computers to their proxy settings hardcoded. Because of this, my 2 Centos5 servers have stopped receiving updates. I know it's probably a minor thing, but I cannot for the life of me figure out where to set the proxy settings so that Software Updater works again. Blame it on ignorance, but I'm stumped. Any help guys? Thanks. Ronnie Miller Tech Specialist Seminole County Schools From dhbarr at gozelle.com Wed Aug 22 01:59:02 2007 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:59:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0.1 EL DVD Install Looking for CDs In-Reply-To: <17b895960708211708l539801b4i50c14ec243989a8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <17b895960708211343n54d62134r8971525433f31b96@mail.gmail.com> <17b895960708211708l539801b4i50c14ec243989a8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/21/07, Mark Trimble wrote: > Hi Robert, > Trouble is, I don't have another machine available at the moment to create > an NFS share on or to serve as a HTTP host and I'm not quite sure yet how to > setup a hard disk installation. IIRC I've managed to use a first_cd, dvd, last_cd option. This was a much older (~500mhz dual pIII) system, and for whatever reason I couldn't install straight from DVD. Essentially I didn't want to babysit the drive while it re-installed for the third time, so I tried a shortcut. I think I began the install with disc1, dropped in the DVD when prompted for disc2, and put in discX when prompted (it happened to be the final disc). We didn't actually end up using the system for much of anything other than a testbed, so I didn't keep any further details. Hope this helps (or at least does no harm) -dhbarr. From rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us Wed Aug 22 01:59:59 2007 From: rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us (rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:59:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CUPS Printing SSSLLLLOOOOWWW Message-ID: <84E7A2936BAD4B928208B92BD3DA6207.MAI@schooldesk.net> On my 2 Centos5 servers, occasionally printing is horribly slow. Usually waiting jobs will print eventually (sometimes 30 minutes later). Sometimes, the print jobs are coming out immediately after clicking print. One lab has a networked HP LaserJet 2200, the other has an HP LaserJet 1300 connected to the parallel port on the server. Also, where do I go to view/manage pending print jobs? I'm from the Novell/Windows school, so I'm still learning Linux. Any help, guys? Thanks so much! Ronnie Miller Tech Specialist Seminole County Schools From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Wed Aug 22 02:35:38 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:35:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine and Server 2003 Problem References: <46C9C0C8020000BC00005F0B@wusdweb.wusd.org> Message-ID: Hate to reply to myself but I'm curios here, is getting Reading Counts to work on K12LTSP common enough I should make a wiki entry on how I got it to work? It's not as complicated as I thought it would be, but getting there required a defintite learning curve, and determination. Without it working I would have to kiss my LTSP lab goodbye. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Kemp, Levi Sent: Tue 8/21/2007 9:15 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Wine and Server 2003 Problem I didn't actually install it using Wine. I installed it on a windows server (the client portion as well) and then shared and mounted the scholastic folder. Then I ran the executables with wine in terminal to see what was going wrong. It pointed to some dll's missing so I copied them into the .wine system32 folder and it worked. We are using v3 of reading counts/sri, not enterprise edition. Sorry if I made it sound like I had installed it on the ltsp server. I'm still at a loss on this though. I just realized Root has no problem opening and closing either app as many times as it wants. I cannot figure out the difference between what a normal user is running and what root is running. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Cody Grosskopf Sent: Mon 8/20/2007 6:26 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Wine and Server 2003 Problem Levi, This response is in no help at all. I just had a question, are you running the Enterprise version of Reading Counts or is it an older version? I have tried to install Reading Counts with wine and crossover with no success, though I have not tried an older version just the new Enterprise version. Thanks! Cody >>> "Kemp, Levi" 08/20/07 3:00 PM >>> The programs I'm using in wine have a database sitting on a Server 2003. When I open say reading counts, it works right away and asks for a user name. Same would happen if say I opened up SRI first. But if I close one and go to open the other, or the same one again, I get an error with the database, saying either it cannot be opened (SRI), or another user has the database opened in exclusive mode (Reading Counts!). I can fix this by logging onto the server and closing the session of the user in question. The odd thing is that even though it gets the right user on the server, it's insterting an entirely different computer name. Is this a samba or wine problem with not releasing the session? Or is it a windows issue that I'm dealing with? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've been working hard to get this to go. I wonder if having the database on my server would work. And if I could set it up to have it sync. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4274 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Aug 22 13:10:54 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:10:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CUPS Printing SSSLLLLOOOOWWW In-Reply-To: <84E7A2936BAD4B928208B92BD3DA6207.MAI@schooldesk.net> References: <84E7A2936BAD4B928208B92BD3DA6207.MAI@schooldesk.net> Message-ID: <46CC35DE.9030807@scheie.homedns.org> To manage print jobs, point your browser at localhost:631 and login with as root. By default, the browser must be running on the same machine as the CUPS you're trying to admin, but assuming you're running K12LTSP, this means any client will suffice. Peter rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us wrote: > On my 2 Centos5 servers, occasionally printing is horribly slow. Usually waiting jobs will print eventually (sometimes 30 minutes later). Sometimes, the print jobs are coming out immediately after clicking print. One lab has a networked HP LaserJet 2200, the other has an HP LaserJet 1300 connected to the parallel port on the server. > > Also, where do I go to view/manage pending print jobs? I'm from the Novell/Windows school, so I'm still learning Linux. > > Any help, guys? Thanks so much! > > Ronnie Miller > Tech Specialist > Seminole County Schools > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Aug 22 13:12:27 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:12:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine and Server 2003 Problem In-Reply-To: References: <46C9C0C8020000BC00005F0B@wusdweb.wusd.org> Message-ID: <46CC363B.3060303@scheie.homedns.org> Yes, put it in the wiki. No such thing as too much documentation--well, perhaps MS's OOXML spec, but that's a different matter. Peter Kemp, Levi wrote: > Hate to reply to myself but I'm curios here, is getting Reading Counts to work on K12LTSP common enough I should make a wiki entry on how I got it to work? It's not as complicated as I thought it would be, but getting there required a defintite learning curve, and determination. Without it working I would have to kiss my LTSP lab goodbye. > > Levi Kemp > Technology Specialist > Bolivar R-1 Schools > 417-328-8943 > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Kemp, Levi > Sent: Tue 8/21/2007 9:15 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Wine and Server 2003 Problem > > I didn't actually install it using Wine. I installed it on a windows server (the client portion as well) and then shared and mounted the scholastic folder. Then I ran the executables with wine in terminal to see what was going wrong. It pointed to some dll's missing so I copied them into the .wine system32 folder and it worked. We are using v3 of reading counts/sri, not enterprise edition. Sorry if I made it sound like I had installed it on the ltsp server. I'm still at a loss on this though. I just realized Root has no problem opening and closing either app as many times as it wants. I cannot figure out the difference between what a normal user is running and what root is running. > > Levi Kemp > Technology Specialist > Bolivar R-1 Schools > 417-328-8943 > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Cody Grosskopf > Sent: Mon 8/20/2007 6:26 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Wine and Server 2003 Problem > > Levi, > > This response is in no help at all. I just had a question, are you running the Enterprise version of Reading Counts or is it an older version? I have tried to install Reading Counts with wine and crossover with no success, though I have not tried an older version just the new Enterprise version. > > Thanks! > > Cody > >>>> "Kemp, Levi" 08/20/07 3:00 PM >>> > The programs I'm using in wine have a database sitting on a Server 2003. When I open say reading counts, it works right away and asks for a user name. Same would happen if say I opened up SRI first. But if I close one and go to open the other, or the same one again, I get an error with the database, saying either it cannot be opened (SRI), or another user has the database opened in exclusive mode (Reading Counts!). I can fix this by logging onto the server and closing the session of the user in question. The odd thing is that even though it gets the right user on the server, it's insterting an entirely different computer name. Is this a samba or wine problem with not releasing the session? Or is it a windows issue that I'm dealing with? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've been working hard to get this to go. I wonder if having the database on my server would work. And if I could set it up to have it sync. > > Levi Kemp > Technology Specialist > Bolivar R-1 Schools > 417-328-8943 > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Wed Aug 22 13:11:18 2007 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:11:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine Problem In-Reply-To: References: <46CAE4070200003C00001785@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> <46CB2C9E.5050609@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <46CBFE65.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> I am already over budget on this lab, so any more spending is out of the question. I did get it fixed though. Here's what I did: Installed office as a normal user, moved drive_c from user to /wine and chmodded it 0755, chmodded /wine/drive_c/windows/profile and temp to 0777, moved c:\ in winecfg from ~/.wine/drive_c to /wine/drive_c, copied ~/.wine/ to /etc/skel, created my shortcuts and it worked great (well... at least as great as an M$ product can run). -Joe Joe Korzeniewski Network Administrator Battle Creek Public Schools p. 269-965-9667 c. 269-209-9677 >>> "Krsnendu dasa" 8/21/2007 4:30 PM >>> Crossover Office Professsional will do the trick. On 22/08/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > Would CrossOver Office Server edition be an option? I know from past > experience that MS Office 2000 does work on it for multiple users, and they > make it quite easy to do the multiple-user apps thing (i. e. what you're > trying to do). > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > Barry, > > Thanks for your reply. I followed your instructions (although they weren't too different than what I had tried before). Here's what happens. After I copied everything over to /wine and changed perms to 0755 I still couldn't get it to run (still tells me it isn't installed). I did kind of make it work by copying the *.reg files from /wine to ~/.wine but it kept giving me an error every time I started it. Did it just simply work for you or was there something else? I did already make the menu items by right clicking on the menu bar and clicking edit menu. Then I moved the .desktop files from my home directory to /usr/share/applications and copied the .config and .gconf folders to /etc/skel. They are pretty icons... but that doesn't mean much if they don't do anything :-D > > Thanks again, > > -Joe > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > Barry Cisna 08/20/07 10:51 AM >>> > > Hi Joe, > > This is an easy fix for your Wine problem. Install your MS Officewxx ( > and whatever other windows apps) as any user. Once you have all your > windows apps installed make a directory named wine in the root of your > HD. In Nautulis make sure your hidden files are shown ( temporarily). GO > the user's home folder you installed the apps as [EX: userone] then copy > the dosdevices and the and drive-c directories and the system, user,& > userdef file as well to the wine directory. Make sure the permissions on > all the these dir and files are 755. > Now all users will have access to these:). > Make a launcher on the desktop for each of the windows apps as root then > push out by dragging to the "All users" folder on the root's desktop. > The only downside to this is everyone ends up with all the MS Office > launcher icons on their desktops. I don't know had to get them added into > the start menu? Someone else on here ,I m sure can tell you how to do this > to make this setup neater. > This will work though as Ive tried this. > Hope this helps. > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Wed Aug 22 13:40:35 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:40:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine and Server 2003 Problem In-Reply-To: References: <46C94C1A0200003C000015D5@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> <46C9B725.6090607@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <46CC3CD3.6070901@bio-chemvalve.com> It's a longshot, but you could try issuing the 'wineboot' command after closing the first program. -Rob Kemp, Levi wrote: > The programs I'm using in wine have a database sitting on a Server 2003. When I open say reading counts, it works right away and asks for a user name. Same would happen if say I opened up SRI first. But if I close one and go to open the other, or the same one again, I get an error with the database, saying either it cannot be opened (SRI), or another user has the database opened in exclusive mode (Reading Counts!). I can fix this by logging onto the server and closing the session of the user in question. The odd thing is that even though it gets the right user on the server, it's insterting an entirely different computer name. Is this a samba or wine problem with not releasing the session? Or is it a windows issue that I'm dealing with? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've been working hard to get this to go. I wonder if having the database on my server would work. And if I could set it up to have it sync. > > Levi Kemp > Technology Specialist > Bolivar R-1 Schools > 417-328-8943 > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Wed Aug 22 14:50:21 2007 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:50:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Launchers won't run without terminal Message-ID: <46CC14EC.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Hello everybody, I am having a problem that I am guessing is very simple. I have my /etc/sudoers set up to allow teachers to run fl_teachertool without entering a password. sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool works like a charm from the terminal. When I create a launcher to run that command though it does nothing. If I change the launcher to run in a terminal it works perfectly again. Any idea how to make it run without needing to open a terminal? Thanks, -Joe Joe Korzeniewski Network Administrator Battle Creek Public Schools p. 269-965-9667 c. 269-209-9677 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 22 17:07:12 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:07:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy settings for Software Updater In-Reply-To: <8B602A36C2AC4998986E44ED9445D0E3.MAI@schooldesk.net> References: <8B602A36C2AC4998986E44ED9445D0E3.MAI@schooldesk.net> Message-ID: <994441ae0708221007t501cdaa1m685968a005fc3db9@mail.gmail.com> On 8/21/07, rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us wrote: > We recently implemented a new content filter/firewall at our school requiring all computers to their proxy settings hardcoded. Because of this, my 2 Centos5 servers have stopped receiving updates. I know it's probably a minor thing, but I cannot for the life of me figure out where to set the proxy settings so that Software Updater works again. Blame it on ignorance, but I'm stumped. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/yum/sn-yum-proxy-server.html -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Aug 22 17:20:05 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:20:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Launchers won't run without terminal In-Reply-To: <46CC14EC.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> References: <46CC14EC.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <46CC7045.1070805@scheie.homedns.org> There's a setting you need to change or add in /etc/sudoers to allow users to run things under sudo without the need for a terminal. I forget what the setting is, but check the sudoers man page. Peter Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I am having a problem that I am guessing is very simple. I have my /etc/sudoers set up to allow teachers to run fl_teachertool without entering a password. sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool works like a charm from the terminal. When I create a launcher to run that command though it does nothing. If I change the launcher to run in a terminal it works perfectly again. Any idea how to make it run without needing to open a terminal? > > Thanks, > > -Joe > > > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Wed Aug 22 17:29:23 2007 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:29:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Launchers won't run without terminal In-Reply-To: <46CC7045.1070805@scheie.homedns.org> References: <46CC14EC.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> <46CC7045.1070805@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <46CC3A33.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Peter, Thanks for your reply. I looked through the manpage and didn't notice anything like what you mentioned. -Joe Joe Korzeniewski Network Administrator Battle Creek Public Schools p. 269-965-9667 c. 269-209-9677 >>> Peter Scheie 08/22/07 1:20 PM >>> There's a setting you need to change or add in /etc/sudoers to allow users to run things under sudo without the need for a terminal. I forget what the setting is, but check the sudoers man page. Peter Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I am having a problem that I am guessing is very simple. I have my /etc/sudoers set up to allow teachers to run fl_teachertool without entering a password. sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool works like a charm from the terminal. When I create a launcher to run that command though it does nothing. If I change the launcher to run in a terminal it works perfectly again. Any idea how to make it run without needing to open a terminal? > > Thanks, > > -Joe > > > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 17:40:13 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:40:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Launchers won't run without terminal In-Reply-To: <46CC3A33.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> References: <46CC14EC.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> <46CC7045.1070805@scheie.homedns.org> <46CC3A33.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: This is 'off the top of my head' but when I created the launcher for our systems, I exec'ed the application. Is that all that is needed? On 8/22/07, Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > Peter, > > Thanks for your reply. I looked through the manpage and didn't notice > anything like what you mentioned. > > -Joe > > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > >>> Peter Scheie 08/22/07 1:20 PM >>> > There's a setting you need to change or add in /etc/sudoers to allow > users to run things under sudo without the need for a terminal. I > forget what the setting is, but check the sudoers man page. > > Peter > > Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > > > I am having a problem that I am guessing is very simple. I have my > /etc/sudoers set up to allow teachers to run fl_teachertool without entering > a password. sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool works like a charm from the > terminal. When I create a launcher to run that command though it does > nothing. If I change the launcher to run in a terminal it works perfectly > again. 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URL: From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Wed Aug 22 19:34:34 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:34:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Launchers won't run without terminal In-Reply-To: <46CC14EC.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> References: <46CC14EC.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <46CC8FCA.1080504@bio-chemvalve.com> Try setting the launcher to run 'gksudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' I don't know all the details, but 'gksudo' is supposed to be used in a graphical environment, where 'sudo' is to be used in a terminal. -Rob Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I am having a problem that I am guessing is very simple. I have my /etc/sudoers set up to allow teachers to run fl_teachertool without entering a password. sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool works like a charm from the terminal. When I create a launcher to run that command though it does nothing. If I change the launcher to run in a terminal it works perfectly again. Any idea how to make it run without needing to open a terminal? > > Thanks, > > -Joe > > > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Wed Aug 22 20:15:53 2007 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:15:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Launchers won't run without terminal Message-ID: <46CC61390200003C00001BF8@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> You must be using edubuntu... FC6 doesn't have gksudo. I wish it were that easy. I couldn't exec it either, it said path not found. Any other ideas? Joe Korzeniewski Network Administrator Battle Creek Public Schools p. 269-965-9667 c. 269-209-9677 >>> Rob Owens 08/22/07 3:34 PM >>> Try setting the launcher to run 'gksudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' I don't know all the details, but 'gksudo' is supposed to be used in a graphical environment, where 'sudo' is to be used in a terminal. -Rob Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I am having a problem that I am guessing is very simple. I have my /etc/sudoers set up to allow teachers to run fl_teachertool without entering a password. sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool works like a charm from the terminal. When I create a launcher to run that command though it does nothing. If I change the launcher to run in a terminal it works perfectly again. Any idea how to make it run without needing to open a terminal? > > Thanks, > > -Joe > > > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 20:23:03 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:23:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Launchers won't run without terminal In-Reply-To: <46CC61390200003C00001BF8@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> References: <46CC61390200003C00001BF8@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: what happens if you provide the full paths for the exec command, sudo, and fl_teachertool? Or is that what you did? On 8/22/07, Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > You must be using edubuntu... FC6 doesn't have gksudo. I wish it were that > easy. > > I couldn't exec it either, it said path not found. > > Any other ideas? > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > >>> Rob Owens 08/22/07 3:34 PM >>> > Try setting the launcher to run 'gksudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' > > I don't know all the details, but 'gksudo' is supposed to be used in a > graphical environment, where 'sudo' is to be used in a terminal. > > -Rob > > Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > > > I am having a problem that I am guessing is very simple. I have my > /etc/sudoers set up to allow teachers to run fl_teachertool without entering > a password. sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool works like a charm from the > terminal. When I create a launcher to run that command though it does > nothing. If I change the launcher to run in a terminal it works perfectly > again. 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URL: From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Wed Aug 22 20:23:27 2007 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:23:27 -0400 Subject: Solved:[K12OSN] Launchers won't run without terminal Message-ID: <46CC63000200003C00001BFC@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Peter, You were correct Peter. Just for the record, the line Default requiretty has to be commented out. I was looking for the wrong thing, I figured it would be something added to the %Teachers ALL=NOPASSWD line. Thanks for your help everyone. -Joe Joe Korzeniewski Network Administrator Battle Creek Public Schools p. 269-965-9667 c. 269-209-9677 >>> Peter Scheie 08/22/07 1:20 PM >>> There's a setting you need to change or add in /etc/sudoers to allow users to run things under sudo without the need for a terminal. I forget what the setting is, but check the sudoers man page. Peter Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I am having a problem that I am guessing is very simple. I have my /etc/sudoers set up to allow teachers to run fl_teachertool without entering a password. sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool works like a charm from the terminal. When I create a launcher to run that command though it does nothing. If I change the launcher to run in a terminal it works perfectly again. Any idea how to make it run without needing to open a terminal? > > Thanks, > > -Joe > > > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From matrimble at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 21:03:28 2007 From: matrimble at gmail.com (Mark Trimble) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:03:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0.1 EL DVD Install Looking for CDs In-Reply-To: References: <17b895960708211343n54d62134r8971525433f31b96@mail.gmail.com> <17b895960708211708l539801b4i50c14ec243989a8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17b895960708221403s19ffe41aqe6e1d8b8921b9323@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to both of you for your help on this. The solution I came up with is a bit slower, but otherwise for my situation very satisfactory. I created a startup cd using the boot.iso from the distro's /image directory and then performed a FTP install using the /i386 directory on the MESD ftp site. I figured the bandwidth cost was comparable to downloading the iso's and it has allowed me to perform an install without getting/setting up another machine. Now I only hope Eric's OK with it ;-) Cheers, Mark On 8/21/07, David H. Barr wrote: > > On 8/21/07, Mark Trimble wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > > Trouble is, I don't have another machine available at the moment to > create > > an NFS share on or to serve as a HTTP host and I'm not quite sure yet > how to > > setup a hard disk installation. > > IIRC I've managed to use a first_cd, dvd, last_cd option. This was a > much older (~500mhz dual pIII) system, and for whatever reason I > couldn't install straight from DVD. 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Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From monteslu at cox.net Wed Aug 22 21:54:15 2007 From: monteslu at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:54:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Local devices and samba/ldap...need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46CCB087.1080806@cox.net> I believe that you'll need to create the fuse group on the smbldap server to match the group ID on the ltsp server. But that isn't enough, and I'm not sure what the next step is. If you get it figured out, please follow up on the list. Thanks, Luis David Trask wrote: > Ok...I have my Edubuntu servers (feisty) authenticating to a Samba/LDAP > server (plain 'ol Ubuntu Feisty server). Just now I tried to use a USB > thumbdrive in a thin-client and it doesn't show up. Couple things I'm > wondering....could this be because the user is not a part of one of the > essential groups for local devices...like fuse or something. Or is local > devices not enabled by default? Any ideas where to start? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > > From einfeldt at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 01:53:41 2007 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:53:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] I need a list of good FOSS apps for k12LTSP and for FOSS workstations Message-ID: <4b5781040708221853r69b09089sd7ccdc49011f9851@mail.gmail.com> hi, I am a volunteer supporting a public middle school in San Francisco with FOSS. We are getting ready for the new school year, and one of the teachers would like to use this site http://www.explorelearning.com/ Unfortunately, it requires Adobe shockwave, a non-Free software package. We are in the process of moving the operating system on our server from K12LTSP to Edubuntu. I am wondering if anyone here has succeeded in getting shockwave running in any kind of k12LTSP or edubuntu networks. We are currently running on a Xeon dual core 2gb machine, but will soon be moving to a slightly faster machine. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Thu Aug 23 11:48:28 2007 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:48:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I need a list of good FOSS apps for k12LTSP and for FOSS workstations In-Reply-To: <4b5781040708221853r69b09089sd7ccdc49011f9851@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b5781040708221853r69b09089sd7ccdc49011f9851@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46CD3BCB.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> http://blog.explorelearning.com/2004/11/shockwave_on_li.html This link talks about using crossover. If it works with crossover, it may work with plain old wine, either way, it is worth a shot. You can find lots of guides to install IE on linux (I am not sure if ies4linux would work when planning to install another addon, but you might try that route first), then you should just be able to download the sw plugin and install it using wine. -Joe Joe Korzeniewski Network Administrator Battle Creek Public Schools p. 269-965-9667 c. 269-209-9677 >>> "Christian Einfeldt" 08/22/07 9:53 PM >>> hi, I am a volunteer supporting a public middle school in San Francisco with FOSS. We are getting ready for the new school year, and one of the teachers would like to use this site http://www.explorelearning.com/ Unfortunately, it requires Adobe shockwave, a non-Free software package. We are in the process of moving the operating system on our server from K12LTSP to Edubuntu. I am wondering if anyone here has succeeded in getting shockwave running in any kind of k12LTSP or edubuntu networks. We are currently running on a Xeon dual core 2gb machine, but will soon be moving to a slightly faster machine. Thanks! From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 12:32:49 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:32:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Local devices and samba/ldap...need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, I am using the same setup and I found I needed to add a fuse group in ldap, and add all users to it. The one bizarre thing I noticed is thatafter I updated fuze, I had to repeat the process of adding users again, no idea why, but it corrected whatever was wrong. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins On 8/22/07, David Trask wrote: > > Ok...I have my Edubuntu servers (feisty) authenticating to a Samba/LDAP > server (plain 'ol Ubuntu Feisty server). Just now I tried to use a USB > thumbdrive in a thin-client and it doesn't show up. Couple things I'm > wondering....could this be because the user is not a part of one of the > essential groups for local devices...like fuse or something. Or is local > devices not enabled by default? Any ideas where to start? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 23 12:54:52 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:54:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Local devices and samba/ldap...need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >The one bizarre thing I noticed is thatafter I updated fuze, I had to >repeat the process of adding users again, no idea why, but it corrected >whatever was wrong. I'm not following this part....you had to add them all back in again with something like smbldap-useradd-bulk? Can you clarify? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Thu Aug 23 13:42:52 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:42:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Launchers won't run without terminal In-Reply-To: <46CC61390200003C00001BF8@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> References: <46CC61390200003C00001BF8@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <46CD8EDC.8020606@bio-chemvalve.com> Well, Ubuntu and Debian. I'm also using K12LTSP 5.0EL and I see that it doesn't have gksudo. I notice, though, that in the rpmforge repo there's a 'libgksu' package which says it "provides X authentication facilities for running programs in an X session'. It says it handles both 'su' and 'sudo'. I haven't tried it, but it might be worth your while. -Rob Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > You must be using edubuntu... FC6 doesn't have gksudo. I wish it were that easy. > > I couldn't exec it either, it said path not found. > > Any other ideas? > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > >>>> Rob Owens 08/22/07 3:34 PM >>> >>>> > Try setting the launcher to run 'gksudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' > > I don't know all the details, but 'gksudo' is supposed to be used in a > graphical environment, where 'sudo' is to be used in a terminal. > > -Rob > > Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > >> Hello everybody, >> >> I am having a problem that I am guessing is very simple. I have my /etc/sudoers set up to allow teachers to run fl_teachertool without entering a password. sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool works like a charm from the terminal. When I create a launcher to run that command though it does nothing. If I change the launcher to run in a terminal it works perfectly again. Any idea how to make it run without needing to open a terminal? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Joe >> >> >> >> Joe Korzeniewski >> Network Administrator >> Battle Creek Public Schools >> p. 269-965-9667 >> c. 269-209-9677 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mel at melwade.com Thu Aug 23 14:00:10 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:00:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Gateway w/1 Server nic Message-ID: <43080f460708230700jb5636acsabf7ba2dce5a8530@mail.gmail.com> I'm setting up servers that will provide LTSP clients on our main network. The servers will have just one nic. DHCP will be provided from our AD Domain Controller. I went through the files listed on K12LSTP.org and changed the appropriate references to operate on one nic. That got me to wondering about the Gateway IP that the DHCP should provide to the LTSP clients. Should the gateway be the IP address of the LTSP server or the true network gateway? or does it matter? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From sgonzalez at sau83.org Thu Aug 23 14:46:06 2007 From: sgonzalez at sau83.org (Sonja Gonzalez) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Local devices and samba/ldap...need help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <29927693.11501187880366439.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Dave-- Thanks for the heads up on this. Feisty comes with built in support, but you have to enable all you users to be able to see the drive. Here are the commands I used, thanks to Gadi who sent them to me last year when I was doing this same thing: a. sudo chmod a+x /usr/bin/fusermount b. modify /etc/udev/rules.d/45-fuse.rules such that: MODE="666" and running: sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart and, what the heck, for good measure: sudo chmod 666 /dev/fuse I think this might save you from having to re-create the users. It worked for me. sonja _______________________________ Sonja Gonzalez Director of Technology Ellis School 432 Main Street Fremont, NH 03044 603.895.2511 x603 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Trask" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Cc: "David Hopkins" Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:54:52 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Local devices and samba/ldap...need help "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >The one bizarre thing I noticed is thatafter I updated fuze, I had to >repeat the process of adding users again, no idea why, but it corrected >whatever was wrong. I'm not following this part....you had to add them all back in again with something like smbldap-useradd-bulk? Can you clarify? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Thu Aug 23 15:49:16 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:49:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine and Server 2003 Problem References: <46C94C1A0200003C000015D5@BCPSSMTP.battle-creek.k12.mi.us><46C9B725.6090607@cmosnetworks.com> <46CC3CD3.6070901@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: I've managed to figure out the issue. When the errors starting coming up on XP machines I was only left with the SRI server. And that's what scholastic said too, errors in the database. I'm going to have to run the maintenance program daily now and each time it finds errors. Makes me wish I was using AR like the intermediate school, they haven't had a single problem. Of course the primary school uses SRI and they are having the same issues. Basically it runs fine on K12LTSP as long as you get the dll's copied and set the permissions right. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Rob Owens Sent: Wed 8/22/2007 8:40 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Wine and Server 2003 Problem It's a longshot, but you could try issuing the 'wineboot' command after closing the first program. -Rob Kemp, Levi wrote: > The programs I'm using in wine have a database sitting on a Server 2003. When I open say reading counts, it works right away and asks for a user name. Same would happen if say I opened up SRI first. But if I close one and go to open the other, or the same one again, I get an error with the database, saying either it cannot be opened (SRI), or another user has the database opened in exclusive mode (Reading Counts!). I can fix this by logging onto the server and closing the session of the user in question. The odd thing is that even though it gets the right user on the server, it's insterting an entirely different computer name. Is this a samba or wine problem with not releasing the session? Or is it a windows issue that I'm dealing with? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've been working hard to get this to go. I wonder if having the database on my server would work. And if I could set it up to have it sync. > > Levi Kemp > Technology Specialist > Bolivar R-1 Schools > 417-328-8943 > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3986 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 15:52:49 2007 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:52:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Online Educational Resources (Slightly O.T.) Message-ID: Hello, I hope everyone is doing well. I have been asked to provide a list of at least 20 online resources relating to education for marketing. These can be anything from podcasts to RSS feeds, blogs, newsletters, reference sites -- anything at all related to education so they can learn more about the field and understand it better. Because of the audience, things relating to higher education (undergraduate & graduate) are the main area of focus, but all levels of education are welcome. Again, because of the audience, things related to online education would also be the main area of focus, but again, all education is good. I look forward to learning from what you use! Joseph From jriddiough at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 16:14:06 2007 From: jriddiough at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:14:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Online Educational Resources & Software (Slightly O.T.) Message-ID: Hi Joseph, We host a listing of education software and some case studies at SchoolForge, http://www.schoolforge.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 19:06:49 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:06:49 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] I need a list of good FOSS apps for k12LTSP and for FOSS workstations In-Reply-To: <46CD3BCB.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> References: <4b5781040708221853r69b09089sd7ccdc49011f9851@mail.gmail.com> <46CD3BCB.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: Shockwave works pretty well with crossover office. On 23/08/07, Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > http://blog.explorelearning.com/2004/11/shockwave_on_li.html > > This link talks about using crossover. If it works with crossover, it may > work with plain old wine, either way, it is worth a shot. You can find lots > of guides to install IE on linux (I am not sure if ies4linux would work when > planning to install another addon, but you might try that route first), then > you should just be able to download the sw plugin and install it using wine. > > -Joe > > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > >>> "Christian Einfeldt" 08/22/07 9:53 PM >>> > hi, > > I am a volunteer supporting a public middle school in San Francisco with > FOSS. We are getting ready for the new school year, and one of the > teachers > would like to use this site > > http://www.explorelearning.com/ > > Unfortunately, it requires Adobe shockwave, a non-Free software > package. We > are in the process of moving the operating system on our server from > K12LTSP > to Edubuntu. I am wondering if anyone here has succeeded in getting > shockwave running in any kind of k12LTSP or edubuntu networks. We are > currently running on a Xeon dual core 2gb machine, but will soon be moving > to a slightly faster machine. > > Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swift at msad52.org Thu Aug 23 19:20:52 2007 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:20:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users Message-ID: I have a server with ubuntu 6.06 on it. I ran the smbldap-installer script and have it set up as my pdc. I created over 800 users useing the bulk add scripts that came with the installer. I noticed however that it did not create any home directory for these users. If I manually create a single user everything is fine home directory is created. I need to have home directories for these users. I need this fixed fast as school starts next week. Everything worked fine last year when I had it all running on fedora. This summer I switched it all over to ubuntu and have had nothing but headaches. I need help fast. Thanks for any input. Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Aug 23 20:06:30 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:06:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users Message-ID: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Aug 23 20:43:36 2007 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:43:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users In-Reply-To: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <46CDAB26.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> AMEN THAT !!!!! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> 8/23/2007 3:06 PM >>> Randy, Have you used Webmin? I use Webmin and the bulk user add utility. You just import a CSV file into the script and it adds each user, creates home directory, etc. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Technology Coordinator Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 rmcdaniel at indata.us ?Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least? Goethe -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users From: "Randall Swift" Date: Thu, August 23, 2007 2:20 pm To: k12osn at redhat.com I have a server with ubuntu 6.06 on it. I ran the smbldap-installer script and have it set up as my pdc. I created over 800 users useing the bulk add scripts that came with the installer. I noticed however that it did not create any home directory for these users. If I manually create a single user everything is fine home directory is created. I need to have home directories for these users. I need this fixed fast as school starts next week. Everything worked fine last year when I had it all running on fedora. This summer I switched it all over to ubuntu and have had nothing but headaches. I need help fast. Thanks for any input. Randy Swift Networ! k Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us ( http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php?aEmlPart=0&type=reply&folder=INBOX&uid=27207#Compose ) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com ( http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php?aEmlPart=0&type=reply&folder=INBOX&uid=27207#Compose ) https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Aug 23 20:49:17 2007 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:49:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users In-Reply-To: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <46CDAC7B.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> AMEN THAT!!! I wish there were good things like that for Novell! Funny the 'free' stuff has better, easier to use, faster, smoother, tools than the expensive, costly (time and money), slow, unhandy, rediculous paid for stuff! (I'd go back to the easy, good, efficient, fast, smooth, solid 'free' stuff in a SECOND if I could!) JMHO - YMMV Doug ('free' refers to free as in beer; linux) 'paid for' means Novelln this case. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> 8/23/2007 3:06 PM >>> Randy, Have you used Webmin? I use Webmin and the bulk user add utility. You just import a CSV file into the script and it adds each user, creates home directory, etc. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Technology Coordinator Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 rmcdaniel at indata.us ?Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least? Goethe -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users From: "Randall Swift" Date: Thu, August 23, 2007 2:20 pm To: k12osn at redhat.com I have a server with ubuntu 6.06 on it. I ran the smbldap-installer script and have it set up as my pdc. I created over 800 users useing the bulk add scripts that came with the installer. I noticed however that it did not create any home directory for these users. If I manually create a single user everything is fine home directory is created. I need to have home directories for these users. I need this fixed fast as school starts next week. Everything worked fine last year when I had it all running on fedora. This summer I switched it all over to ubuntu and have had nothing but headaches. I need help fast. Thanks for any input. Randy Swift Networ! k Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us ( http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php?aEmlPart=0&type=reply&folder=INBOX&uid=27207#Compose ) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com ( http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php?aEmlPart=0&type=reply&folder=INBOX&uid=27207#Compose ) https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com Thu Aug 23 22:44:34 2007 From: bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com (Brad Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:44:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users In-Reply-To: <46CDAC7B.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <46CDAC7B.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <46CE0DD2.3080003@mchsi.com> There are things like that for Novell...it's called uimport, and I used it to import Linux group and home directory information for 3,000 users...if you want, I can email you the info on how it works. Brad Doug Simpson wrote: > AMEN THAT!!! I wish there were good things like that for Novell! Funny > the 'free' stuff has better, easier to use, faster, smoother, tools than > the expensive, costly (time and money), slow, unhandy, rediculous paid > for stuff! > > (I'd go back to the easy, good, efficient, fast, smooth, solid 'free' > stuff in a SECOND if I could!) > > JMHO - YMMV > > Doug > > ('free' refers to free as in beer; linux) 'paid for' means Novelln this > case. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > >>>> 8/23/2007 3:06 PM >>> >>>> > Randy, > > Have you used Webmin? I use Webmin and the bulk user add utility. You > just import a CSV file into the script and it adds each user, creates > home directory, etc. > > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Technology Coordinator > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > ?Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which > matter least? Goethe > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users > From: "Randall Swift" > Date: Thu, August 23, 2007 2:20 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > I have a server with ubuntu 6.06 on it. I ran the smbldap-installer > script and have it set up as my pdc. I created over 800 users useing > the > bulk add scripts that came with the installer. I noticed however that > it > did not create any home directory for these users. If I manually create > a > single user everything is fine home directory is created. I need to > have > home directories for these users. I need this fixed fast as school > starts > next week. Everything worked fine last year when I had it all running > on > fedora. This summer I switched it all over to ubuntu and have had > nothing > but headaches. I need help fast. Thanks for any input. > > Randy Swift > Networ! k Administrator > Leavitt Area High School > Turner, Maine 04282 > (207)225-3533 > swift at msad52.k12.me.us ( > http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php?aEmlPart=0&type=reply&folder=INBOX&uid=27207#Compose > ) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com ( > http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php?aEmlPart=0&type=reply&folder=INBOX&uid=27207#Compose > ) > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From swift at msad52.org Fri Aug 24 00:25:06 2007 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:25:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users In-Reply-To: <46CDAB26.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <46CDAB26.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: I already have the users created the script said it created the home directory but it is not there. I need a way to create home directories for existing users (about 800 of them). "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >AMEN THAT !!!!! > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >De Queen Public Schools >De Queen, AR >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >>>> 8/23/2007 3:06 PM >>> >Randy, > >Have you used Webmin? I use Webmin and the bulk user add utility. You >just import a CSV file into the script and it adds each user, creates >home directory, etc. > > >Ron > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Technology Coordinator >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-1752 x30 >rmcdaniel at indata.us > >?Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which >matter least? Goethe > > > > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users >From: "Randall Swift" >Date: Thu, August 23, 2007 2:20 pm >To: k12osn at redhat.com > >I have a server with ubuntu 6.06 on it. I ran the smbldap-installer >script and have it set up as my pdc. I created over 800 users useing >the >bulk add scripts that came with the installer. I noticed however that >it >did not create any home directory for these users. If I manually create >a >single user everything is fine home directory is created. I need to >have >home directories for these users. I need this fixed fast as school >starts >next week. Everything worked fine last year when I had it all running >on >fedora. This summer I switched it all over to ubuntu and have had >nothing >but headaches. I need help fast. Thanks for any input. > >Randy Swift >Networ! k Administrator >Leavitt Area High School >Turner, Maine 04282 >(207)225-3533 >swift at msad52.k12.me.us ( >http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php?aEmlPart=0&type=reply&folder=INBOX&uid=27207#Compose >) > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com ( >http://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php?aEmlPart=0&type=reply&folder=INBOX&uid=27207#Compose >) >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 24 00:35:53 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:35:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users In-Reply-To: References: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <46CDAB26.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <46CE27E9.8020708@paasda.org> ahhh you need one of those lovely 'awk/sed' scripts that Les pimps out.. that parses your /etc/passwd file and strips out the username and group and does a mkdir -p /home/ then does a chown -R : then does a chmod 700 /home/* if only scripting were as easy as english! --Huck p.s. maybe this old gem I have tucked away in my archives will be of assistance... [quote] Assuming all teacher names end in two digits and none of the students account names do this one liner may work: for teach in `cat /etc/passwd | awk '{FS=":";}{print $1}' | \ egrep "[0-9][0-9]" ` ; do dir=/var/www/html/${teach}; mkdir $dir;\ chmod 775 $dir ; cd /home/${teach}; ln -s $dir ${teach}.html; done not tested or debugged, use at own risk, beware of gnats etc.. [/quote] From swift at msad52.org Fri Aug 24 00:46:32 2007 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:46:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users In-Reply-To: <46CE27E9.8020708@paasda.org> References: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> < > <46CDAB26.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> < > <46CE27E9.8020708@paasda.org> Message-ID: Unfortunately, I do not understand your commands. I also have to have a way to do this that will work as this is a production server. I would just blow this away and start over but the users passwords have already been put into there schedule. I am also unsure if I create the users again using the bulk user script (from matt oquists smbldap-installer) that it will still not create the home directories. Is there something wrong with this script? I need help! "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >ahhh you need one of those lovely 'awk/sed' scripts that Les pimps out.. > >that parses your /etc/passwd file and strips out the username and group >and does a >mkdir -p /home/ >then does a >chown -R : >then does a >chmod 700 /home/* > >if only scripting were as easy as english! > >--Huck >p.s. maybe this old gem I have tucked away in my archives will be of >assistance... > >[quote] > >Assuming all teacher names end in two digits and none of the students >account names do this one liner may work: > >for teach in `cat /etc/passwd | awk '{FS=":";}{print $1}' | \ >egrep "[0-9][0-9]" ` ; do dir=/var/www/html/${teach}; mkdir $dir;\ >chmod 775 $dir ; cd /home/${teach}; ln -s $dir ${teach}.html; done > >not tested or debugged, use at own risk, beware of gnats etc.. >[/quote] > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 24 01:08:06 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:08:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users In-Reply-To: References: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <46CDAB26.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <20070824010531.M46887@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:25:06 -0400, Randall Swift wrote > I already have the users created the script said it created the home > directory but it is not there. I need a way to create home directories for > existing users (about 800 of them). Add this line to /etc/pam.d/common-session: session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ If a user ever logs in and there is no home directory, this pam module will create the home directory automatically. This is explained in more depth of my howto on Ubuntu LDAP found here http://www.1-cs.com/ubuntu_ldap_howto.txt in step 13. Any other scripts you might do will only help you now, adding this to pam will make sure this never happens again. HTH Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri Aug 24 02:22:45 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:22:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Gateway w/1 Server nic In-Reply-To: <43080f460708230700jb5636acsabf7ba2dce5a8530@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708230700jb5636acsabf7ba2dce5a8530@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46CE40F5.1060205@scheie.homedns.org> Since you're dealing with single-NIC servers, you can just have the DHCP's gateway setting point to the real gateway. Having it point to the K12LTSP server will work, too, but it just routes the traffic unnecessarily through the K12LTSP server, adding an extra hop. Peter Mel Wade wrote: > I'm setting up servers that will provide LTSP clients on our main > network. The servers will have just one nic. DHCP will be provided > from our AD Domain Controller. > > I went through the files listed on K12LSTP.org and changed the > appropriate references to operate on one nic. > > That got me to wondering about the Gateway IP that the DHCP should > provide to the LTSP clients. Should the gateway be the IP address of > the LTSP server or the true network gateway? or does it matter? > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Aug 24 02:18:19 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:18:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Samba home folders created through MS AD Message-ID: <40710.192.168.254.3.1187921899.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello List, I'm sure this has been hashed a million times, but I have not found a 1. 2. 3. of how to do it, IF ,it is at all possible. We are using MS AD as our PDC. I know, one strike against us already:)This is not my choice but as many others are in the same boat, I'm sure,the school has spent plenty of $$ on licenses,,,blah,,blah. After adding new students in MS AD we set there home folder path to ' H: \\k12ltspserver\homes\home\user '. Of course as soon as this is done, Apply> OK, You get the " The home folder could not be created. You will have to manually add the users home folder" message. So therefore I have to add the user on the K12ltsp/Samba/fileserver to generate each users home folder.Is there some sort of script I can add to the samba server to " see" the MS AD settings? This is " Just the way we have always done it", but it would simplify things a little if we could do this. I know we should be using smbldap, & I m going to try this for next school year. Or I'd like to go one better and just use Samba as our PDC and really simplfy things ,and ditch MS AD altogether:-) Thanks for any input. Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Aug 24 02:31:23 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:31:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs Message-ID: <41921.192.168.254.3.1187922683.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Huck, I tried putting the identical settings in Samba that you posted here, today at school and done the ol 'service smb restart', but still no home folder / H: drive showing on the Vista workstations. I only had a little time to spend beating on them today. I did notice one new thing, that if I map the home folder drive manually on each workstation & checkmark " Reconnect at logon"( which does work),and simply log off,and log right back on as same user the mapping has disappeared. AKA: The machine does not even have to be rebooted for the home folder to disappear.This seems kind of strange to me as well? I of course have made the change on the Vista workstations as posted on many sites to downgrade the Network lanman setting from only accept NTLM2 , to accept *both* NTLM and NTLM2 in secpol.msc ,just FYI. I never see any errors in the system log or samba log that tells me anything that is failing on these workstations, as usually happens when Samba gets confused on something? Still scratching. Thanks Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Aug 24 02:44:39 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:44:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Wine Problem Message-ID: <60703.192.168.254.3.1187923479.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Joe, Did you copy *both* the dosdevices & drive_c folders to the newly created /wine dir? Does Office launch for You but no other users? Did you copy the three .reg files as well to the /wine dir? I'm thing your launchers are not setup right.I m almost positive. This should work for Office 2000 Let us know. take Care Barry Cisna From moquist at majen.net Fri Aug 24 02:46:51 2007 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:46:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Local devices and samba/ldap...need help In-Reply-To: <46CCB087.1080806@cox.net> References: <46CCB087.1080806@cox.net> Message-ID: <20070824024651.GB6794@majen.net> I created a group in LDAP with the same gid as 'fuse' on the Edubuntu servers, and I added everyone to it. That's it. I don't even think the group name needs to match (I don't know why it would need to match), but I also don't know of any reason to call it anything other than 'fuse', and it might, in fact, be confusing if you call it something else. So you may as well call the LDAP group 'fuse' as well. --matt Luis Montes wrote: [Wed Aug 22 2007, 05:54:15PM EDT] > I believe that you'll need to create the fuse group on the smbldap > server to match the group ID on the ltsp server. But that isn't enough, > and I'm not sure what the next step is. > If you get it figured out, please follow up on the list. > > Thanks, > > Luis > > > David Trask wrote: > >Ok...I have my Edubuntu servers (feisty) authenticating to a Samba/LDAP > >server (plain 'ol Ubuntu Feisty server). Just now I tried to use a USB > >thumbdrive in a thin-client and it doesn't show up. Couple things I'm > >wondering....could this be because the user is not a part of one of the > >essential groups for local devices...like fuse or something. Or is local > >devices not enabled by default? Any ideas where to start? > > > >David N. 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From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Fri Aug 24 12:00:07 2007 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:00:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine Problem In-Reply-To: <60703.192.168.254.3.1187923479.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <60703.192.168.254.3.1187923479.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46CE9008.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Barry, I tried it that way with copying everything under ~/.wine/ to /wine (dosdevices, drive_c, & .reg files) that didn't work even for me. When I tried moving only drive_c and pointing c:\ with winecfg to /wine/drive_c and copying the remaining .wine to /etc/skel and every other user's folder, it worked. I did have to allow write permissions on windows/profile and windows/temp though. Everything is working good now. Thanks for your help. -Joe Joe Korzeniewski Network Administrator Battle Creek Public Schools p. 269-965-9667 c. 269-209-9677 >>> Barry Cisna 08/23/07 10:44 PM >>> Hi Joe, Did you copy *both* the dosdevices & drive_c folders to the newly created /wine dir? Does Office launch for You but no other users? Did you copy the three .reg files as well to the /wine dir? I'm thing your launchers are not setup right.I m almost positive. This should work for Office 2000 Let us know. take Care Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From nils at breun.nl Fri Aug 24 12:37:58 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:37:58 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP guest accounts Message-ID: <9288D5F1-98A3-4A1B-BA7C-06BAD600FB9F@breun.nl> Hello guys, We're setting up a K12LTSP 5EL install and almost everything is working just fine. We currently in the process of setting up user accounts, but ran into a problem. We want to supply a couple of personal user accounts, but there are also a lot of people that should be able to use the LTSP terminals for just checking their email etcetera and we don't want to give out personal user accounts to all those hundreds of people. Mostly because they will log in so infrequently that most of them will not remember their username and password, so a guest account would probably be more appropriate. We noticed however that when multiple terminals are logged in under the same user account things don't go really smooth. Firefox complains about already running and we also can't reset the guest user's homedir as other people might still be logged in as that user while another terminal logs out. Did anyone ever manage to work this out or have an idea? Thanks, Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We currently in the process of setting up user accounts, but ran into a problem. We want to supply a couple of personal user accounts, but there are also a lot of people that should be able to use the LTSP terminals for just checking their email etcetera and we don't want to give out personal user accounts to all those hundreds of people. Mostly because they will log in so infrequently that most of them will not remember their username and password, so a guest account would probably be more appropriate. We noticed however that when multiple terminals are logged in under the same user account things don't go really smooth. Firefox complains about already running and we also can't reset the guest user's homedir as other people might still be logged in as that user while another terminal logs out. Did anyone ever manage to work this out or have an idea? Thanks, Nils Breunese. From nils at breun.nl Fri Aug 24 13:24:51 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:24:51 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo not defaulting to MS formats in version 6 In-Reply-To: References: <45DB3C45.5020103@maltzen.net> <45DB3E9D.3030603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45DB58FD.4080403@maltzen.net> <45DB6062.2010406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <507925BE-02FE-41DA-843E-6C2479DACFEC@breun.nl> I wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> Petre Scheie wrote: >>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>>>> I just noticed that OOo is not defaulting to MS >>>>> formats--.doc, .xls, >>>>> .ppt--when saving documents. I see the >>>>> /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh >>>>> file, and >>>>> I ran it as root, but it didn't change anything for existing users >>>>> (didn't try creating a new user afterward). Didn't there use >>>>> to be an >>>>> icon on root's desktop for running this? Or was it run by default >>>>> during installation? Should the script still work? >>>>> >>>>> Petre >>>> >>>> Running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format- >>>> defaults.sh >>>> should reset the defaults back to the MS formats. >>>> >>>> If a user changes their personal settings, it will over-ride the >>>> defaults. You might try nuking a user's ~/.openoffice* directory >>>> so that >>>> they pick back up the default settings. >>>> >>> Removing the users ~/.openoffice* does fix it. Did the >>> openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh previously run automatically or >>> have I >>> just forgotten that I ran it manually in the past? >>> >>> Thanks Eric. >>> >>> Petre >> >> The script runs automatically at install time. Updates can over-write >> the changes. >> >> As far as I know, a user's setting will only over-ride the >> defaults if >> the user manually changes their settings. > > I have a fresh K12LTSP 5EL install and my test user defaults to > saving as .odt. I did run a 'yum update' after the installation > which installed an OpenOffice.org update. Could the update have > caused the defaults to reset, or did the script maybe not run at > install time? > > I ran /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh > again and nuked the test user's .openoffice.org2.0 directory, but > Writer still defaults to saving as .odt. Is this a known issue? I believe the /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format- defaults.sh script has an error in the 64-bit version. It tries to access files in /usr/lib, while they are in /usr/lib64. I don't know who wrote or maintains this script, but could this be fixed for the 64-bit version of K12LTSP (5EL)? Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes, you are correct - though simple, this took me awhile to find on v6.x86_64. -Michael From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Aug 24 14:11:44 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:11:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT- Financial Literacy App Message-ID: <20070824071144.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a7a77193c0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Fri Aug 24 15:12:12 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:12:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba drives/home folder and MS Vista probs In-Reply-To: <41921.192.168.254.3.1187922683.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <41921.192.168.254.3.1187922683.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46CEF54C.8000904@bio-chemvalve.com> Here's an article that touches on this topic. It's a little old, though, so it's possible you know all of this already. http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4434907782.html -Rob Barry Cisna wrote: > Huck, > > I tried putting the identical settings in Samba that you posted here, > today at school and done the ol 'service smb restart', but still no home > folder / H: drive showing on the Vista workstations. I only had a little > time to spend beating on them today. I did notice one new thing, that if I > map the home folder drive manually on each workstation & checkmark " > Reconnect at logon"( which does work),and simply log off,and log right > back on as same user the mapping has disappeared. AKA: The machine does > not even have to be rebooted for the home folder to disappear.This seems > kind of strange to me as well? > I of course have made the change on the Vista workstations as posted on > many sites to downgrade the Network lanman setting from only accept > NTLM2 , to accept *both* NTLM and NTLM2 in secpol.msc ,just FYI. I never > see any errors in the system log or samba log that tells me anything > that is failing on these workstations, as usually happens when Samba > gets confused on something? > Still scratching. > > Thanks > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Aug 24 16:11:17 2007 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:11:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Version question Message-ID: <7CCBE3BC-EF4F-459E-801E-F05F9FC0945D@inlandlakes.org> I'm installing our LTSP servers for the year this evening. I think if I install 7beta5, I'll be able to just yum upgrade to the final when it's done. Is that a fair estimate? Is anyone using LTSP7 in production, or might I want to spend a year with 6.0? (Yes I realize any opinions are, well, opinions, but if anyone's been using v7, I'd like to know their opinion...) Thanks a ton, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Yes I realize any opinions are, well, opinions, but if anyone's > been using v7, I'd like to know their opinion...) > > > Thanks a ton, > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > Shawn, I've just started upgrading our school's computers to v7. The only issue I've run into so far is that installing from the DVD always failed when trying to copy the install image to the hard drive (right after the formatting step) . However, installing from the download iso file over NFS worked great. David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Fri Aug 24 17:00:54 2007 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:00:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Version question In-Reply-To: References: <7CCBE3BC-EF4F-459E-801E-F05F9FC0945D@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <46CED6C5.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Have you been able to get VNC working correctly? It kept rejecting the session every time I have tried (I had already corrected /etc/hosts). -Joe Joe Korzeniewski Network Administrator Battle Creek Public Schools p. 269-965-9667 c. 269-209-9677 >>> "David Whitmer" 8/24/2007 12:21 PM >>> On 8/24/07, Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm installing our LTSP servers for the year this evening. I think if I > install 7beta5, I'll be able to just yum upgrade to the final when it's > done. Is that a fair estimate? > > Is anyone using LTSP7 in production, or might I want to spend a year with > 6.0? (Yes I realize any opinions are, well, opinions, but if anyone's > been using v7, I'd like to know their opinion...) > > > Thanks a ton, > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > Shawn, I've just started upgrading our school's computers to v7. The only issue I've run into so far is that installing from the DVD always failed when trying to copy the install image to the hard drive (right after the formatting step) . However, installing from the download iso file over NFS worked great. David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com From thewhitmers at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 17:07:37 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:07:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Version question In-Reply-To: <46CED6C5.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> References: <7CCBE3BC-EF4F-459E-801E-F05F9FC0945D@inlandlakes.org> <46CED6C5.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: I haven't tried it yet. I'll try it this weekend, and will report back on the list about whether it worked for me. Have you checked your selinux and firewall settings? David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com On 8/24/07, Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > Have you been able to get VNC working correctly? It kept rejecting the > session every time I have tried (I had already corrected /etc/hosts). > > -Joe > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > >>> "David Whitmer" 8/24/2007 12:21 PM >>> > On 8/24/07, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > I'm installing our LTSP servers for the year this evening. I think if I > > install 7beta5, I'll be able to just yum upgrade to the final when it's > > done. Is that a fair estimate? > > > > Is anyone using LTSP7 in production, or might I want to spend a year > with > > 6.0? (Yes I realize any opinions are, well, opinions, but if anyone's > > been using v7, I'd like to know their opinion...) > > > > > > Thanks a ton, > > -Shawn > > > > > > -- > > Shawn Powers > > Technology Director > > Inland Lakes Schools > > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > > FAX: 509-356-7024 > > spowers at inlandlakes.org > > Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > > > > > ---- > > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > > or anything else I might infer are not the > > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > > Shawn, > > I've just started upgrading our school's computers to v7. > > The only issue I've run into so far is that installing from the DVD always > failed when trying to copy the install image to the hard drive (right > after > the formatting step) . However, installing from the download iso file > over > NFS worked great. > > > David Whitmer > Director of Media & Technology > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It kept rejecting the > session every time I have tried (I had already corrected /etc/hosts). > > -Joe > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > >>> "David Whitmer" 8/24/2007 12:21 PM >>> > On 8/24/07, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > I'm installing our LTSP servers for the year this evening. I think if I > > install 7beta5, I'll be able to just yum upgrade to the final when it's > > done. Is that a fair estimate? > > > > Is anyone using LTSP7 in production, or might I want to spend a year > with > > 6.0? (Yes I realize any opinions are, well, opinions, but if anyone's > > been using v7, I'd like to know their opinion...) > > > > > > Thanks a ton, > > -Shawn > > > > > > -- > > Shawn Powers > > Technology Director > > Inland Lakes Schools > > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > > FAX: 509-356-7024 > > spowers at inlandlakes.org > > Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > > > > > ---- > > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > > or anything else I might infer are not the > > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > > Shawn, > > I've just started upgrading our school's computers to v7. > > The only issue I've run into so far is that installing from the DVD always > failed when trying to copy the install image to the hard drive (right > after > the formatting step) . However, installing from the download iso file > over > NFS worked great. > > > David Whitmer > Director of Media & Technology > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From swift at msad52.org Fri Aug 24 17:40:31 2007 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:40:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users In-Reply-To: <20070824010531.M46887@winonacotter.org> References: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> < > <46CDAB26.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> < > <20070824010531.M46887@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: this did not work. Remember I set this up using the smbldap-installer script. Thanks for any and all suggestions. I still need any ideas. "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:25:06 -0400, Randall Swift wrote >> I already have the users created the script said it created the home >> directory but it is not there. I need a way to create home directories >for >> existing users (about 800 of them). > >Add this line to /etc/pam.d/common-session: > >session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ > >If a user ever logs in and there is no home directory, this pam module >will create the >home directory automatically. This is explained in more depth of my >howto on Ubuntu >LDAP found here http://www.1-cs.com/ubuntu_ldap_howto.txt in step 13. > >Any other scripts you might do will only help you now, adding this to pam >will make >sure this never happens again. > >HTH >Jim > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >Department, and is believed to be clean. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From robark at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 18:01:42 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:01:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Xvnc SecurityTypes - Edubuntu Fl_TeacherTool port Message-ID: I am trying to port Fl_TeacherTool to Edubuntu but I'm having problems with Xvnc. In K12LTSP Xvnc has the "SecurityTypes None" option for no password required but Edubuntu Xvnc does not seem to have this option. In addition, Xvnc is launched automatically by inetd in k12ltsp like this nobody 27960 0.8 1.1 10656 6048 ? Ss 22:14 0:00 /usr/bin/Xvnc -inetd -once -query localhost -fp unix/:7100 -SecurityTypes None -geometry 1024x768 -depth 16 however I must launch it manually in Edubuntu (vncserver can be used to start Xvnc). This is for the Broadcast feature. I thought about creating a dedicated user for broadcasting. Maybe called "vncuser". The problem is I can't start a vnc server without setting vncpasswd password and if I create a password in /home/vncuser/.vnc/passwd then it can only be read by that person. I could change the permissions on that users dir (seems hackish) but if I can get the "SecurityTypes None" to work I can avoid all this. Any suggestions or help much appreciated. BTW in k12ltsp I think the inetd option connects to xdmcp (since you get a login screen) so I'm assuming that won't work by default in Edubuntu since it's using LTSP5. The package that sets things up in k12ltsp is rpm -ql vnc-ltsp-config /etc/sysconfig/vncts /etc/xinetd.d/vncts /usr/bin/vncts /usr/share/vnc/vncts.services -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From moquist at majen.net Fri Aug 24 20:25:32 2007 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:25:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: HELP!! creating bulk users (Randall Swift) In-Reply-To: <20070824160029.7DADD735DD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070824160029.7DADD735DD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20070824202531.GA13504@majen.net> I have an alpha version of smblap-configure that helps with webmin configuration. Webmin has a very decent bulk-user-add interface. Note: As I said, this is *alpha*. Furthermore, webmin has security issues and you shouldn't use it in production unless you know what you are doing and have your webmin system well-protected by a firewall. With that said, I'm using webmin on several production samba+ldap severs ATM, so I know that my smbldap-configure package does work, even if it's unpolished. This can be used on any distro, but ATM I only have a debian/ubuntu package. If you grab that package and extract the contents you can use the scripts the same way, but you'll have to resolve all the dependencies yourself. === HOW TO USE IT === 1. Add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb http://majen.net/feisty ./ That repo should actually work for any version of Ubuntu after Dapper, but I've mostly tested on feisty. YMMV. 2. apt-get update 3. apt-get install smbldap-configure - Just hit return for all of the questions that dpkg asks you during installation. All of those settings will be overwritten later when you run the smbldap script. I need to get rid of these questions but am not sure yet how to do that properly so this package can be added to universe. 4. cd /usr/share/smbldap-configure 5. ./smbldap all (just like you used to do) 6. apt-get install webmin - I've taken the .deb from http://www.webmin.com/ and put it in the majen.net repository. Note that I had to do this because webmin is no longer included in the official debian/ubuntu repositories...that should tell you something about its security implications. Take this into consideration, please. 7. ./smbldap webmin (if you want to configure webmin) Note: If you use the above to configure webmin, make sure you change the permissions on the webmin config file, since your root password is stored in there (!!!!!!!!). I TOLD you there were serious security implications... this is insane, IMO. But for various reasons we're using it for now anyway... $ chmod 400 /etc/webmin/ldap-useradmin/config Also, if you don't need actual users to log into your webmin server directly (e.g., if you have a samba+ldap+nfs server and separate LTSP servers that your users actually log into) then I highly recommend adding an /etc/nologin file to keep everybody but root out: $ echo Only root has access to this server. Too bad for you. >> /etc/nologin Of course, if you're using Ubuntu the above may lock you out unless you've set the root password ('sudo passwd'), but /etc/nologin is removed when you reboot, so you can get back in that way. I know it's not kosher, but right now I have root passwords set and I have /etc/nologin created on webmin servers by startup scripts, just to keep normal users from having ANY chance to get in and poke around. Webmin still has issues, though, so be vigilant. (Have I emphasized this enough?) --matt > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:20:52 -0400 > From: "Randall Swift" > I have a server with ubuntu 6.06 on it. I ran the smbldap-installer > script and have it set up as my pdc. I created over 800 users useing the > bulk add scripts that came with the installer. I noticed however that it > did not create any home directory for these users. If I manually create a > single user everything is fine home directory is created. I need to have > home directories for these users. I need this fixed fast as school starts > next week. Everything worked fine last year when I had it all running on > fedora. This summer I switched it all over to ubuntu and have had nothing > but headaches. I need help fast. Thanks for any input. > > Randy Swift > Network Administrator > Leavitt Area High School > Turner, Maine 04282 > (207)225-3533 > swift at msad52.k12.me.us -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From cliebow at ellsworthschools.org Fri Aug 24 20:37:35 2007 From: cliebow at ellsworthschools.org (Chuck Liebow) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:37:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users In-Reply-To: References: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <, > < > <46CDAB26.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> < > <, > <, > <20070824010531.M46887@winonacotter.org> <,> Message-ID: if you have a list of users feed them thru a script which does this for every user cp /etc/skel /home/theuser chmod 700 /home/theuser chown 700 /home/theuser From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 20:46:13 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:46:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users In-Reply-To: References: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <20070824010531.M46887@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200708241646.13357.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Try setting the permissions on the parent (/home) directory: chmod 1777 /home In the old days the "pam_mkhomedir.so" would only work if the user in question had write permission in the parent directory of the user's home directory. The sticky bit in this context allows anyone to write to the directory but only to files owned by the creator (like the /tmp directory). On Friday 24 August 2007 13:40, Randall Swift wrote: > this did not work. Remember I set this up using the smbldap-installer > script. Thanks for any and all suggestions. I still need any ideas. > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > writes: > >On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:25:06 -0400, Randall Swift wrote > > > >> I already have the users created the script said it created the home > >> directory but it is not there. I need a way to create home directories > > > >for > > > >> existing users (about 800 of them). > > > >Add this line to /etc/pam.d/common-session: > > > >session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ > > > >If a user ever logs in and there is no home directory, this pam module > >will create the > >home directory automatically. This is explained in more depth of my > >howto on Ubuntu > >LDAP found here http://www.1-cs.com/ubuntu_ldap_howto.txt in step 13. > > > >Any other scripts you might do will only help you now, adding this to pam > >will make > >sure this never happens again. > > > >HTH > >Jim > > > >-- > >This message has been scanned for viruses and > >dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > >Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > Randy Swift > Network Administrator > Leavitt Area High School > Turner, Maine 04282 > (207)225-3533 > swift at msad52.k12.me.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From Paul at Auroragrp.Com Fri Aug 24 22:40:47 2007 From: Paul at Auroragrp.Com (Paul Amaranth) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:40:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: I need a list of good FOSS apps for k12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20070823160025.5AED7731F5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070823160025.5AED7731F5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20070824224047.GA11907@tiger.AuroraGrp.Com> Crossover will run shockwave 8.5 using a Linux browser, but it's a licensed product and even the educational pricing can add up for a lab. >From what I can see, the way to do it with wine is to install IE along with the plugins and run the entire app under wine. If you need a later shockwave, that's about the only way to go. That works fine unless you have some requirement to run the browser in the native Linux environment. I haven't seen any documentation on how to encapsulate a browser plugin under wine and run it with a linux browser. That would be useful. Paul > > hi, > > I am a volunteer supporting a public middle school in San Francisco with > FOSS. We are getting ready for the new school year, and one of the teachers > would like to use this site > > http://www.explorelearning.com/ > > Unfortunately, it requires Adobe shockwave, a non-Free software package. We > are in the process of moving the operating system on our server from K12LTSP > to Edubuntu. I am wondering if anyone here has succeeded in getting > shockwave running in any kind of k12LTSP or edubuntu networks. We are > currently running on a Xeon dual core 2gb machine, but will soon be moving > to a slightly faster machine. > > Thanks! -- Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software paul at AuroraGrp.Com | Unix & Windows From nils at breun.nl Fri Aug 24 23:18:18 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:18:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users In-Reply-To: References: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <, > < > <46CDAB26.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> < > <, > <, > <20070824010531.M46887@winonacotter.org> <, > Message-ID: <9432344F-1352-4B9C-9236-249BC7F7E37D@breun.nl> Chuck Liebow wrote: > if you have a list of users feed them thru a script which does this > for > every user > cp /etc/skel /home/theuser > chmod 700 /home/theuser > chown 700 /home/theuser I guess you meant that last line to read 'chown theuser /home/ theuser'? And you might want to chown recursively (add the -R flag). Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Aug 25 01:09:46 2007 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:09:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP guest accounts In-Reply-To: <46CE94B8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <9288D5F1-98A3-4A1B-BA7C-06BAD600FB9F@breun.nl> <46CE94B8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <44E7FFD4-392F-408B-B7AE-61498BF062C2@mindfirestudios.com> I think there's a setup for autologin that gives you a certain amount of time to login if you have a user account. It used to be in the gdm or kdm config files IIRC. On Aug 24, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > Ask about making Kiosks. . .and if there is a way to make a Kiosk > and still leave a way for a regular user to login. > > I don't know how to do it, but there has been much discussion about > it. The kiosk logs itself in and displays the browser automatically. > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >>>> Nils Breunese 8/24/2007 7:37 AM >>> > Hello guys, > > We're setting up a K12LTSP 5EL install and almost everything is > working just fine. We currently in the process of setting up user > accounts, but ran into a problem. We want to supply a couple of > personal user accounts, but there are also a lot of people that > should be able to use the LTSP terminals for just checking their > email etcetera and we don't want to give out personal user accounts > to all those hundreds of people. Mostly because they will log in so > infrequently that most of them will not remember their username and > password, so a guest account would probably be more appropriate. We > noticed however that when multiple terminals are logged in under the > same user account things don't go really smooth. Firefox complains > about already running and we also can't reset the guest user's > homedir as other people might still be logged in as that user while > another terminal logs out. Did anyone ever manage to work this out or > have an idea? > > Thanks, > > Nils Breunese. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Sat Aug 25 04:16:27 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:16:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users References: <20070823130629.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.259b04d44f.wbe@email.secureserver.net>< > <46CDAB26.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> < ><46CE27E9.8020708@paasda.org> Message-ID: This may not help at all, but could you use pam_mkhomedir? I realize that they arn't actually logging into the server so thay may not work, but it was a thought. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Randall Swift Sent: Thu 8/23/2007 7:46 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Cc: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users Unfortunately, I do not understand your commands. I also have to have a way to do this that will work as this is a production server. I would just blow this away and start over but the users passwords have already been put into there schedule. I am also unsure if I create the users again using the bulk user script (from matt oquists smbldap-installer) that it will still not create the home directories. Is there something wrong with this script? I need help! "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >ahhh you need one of those lovely 'awk/sed' scripts that Les pimps out.. > >that parses your /etc/passwd file and strips out the username and group >and does a >mkdir -p /home/ >then does a >chown -R : >then does a >chmod 700 /home/* > >if only scripting were as easy as english! > >--Huck >p.s. maybe this old gem I have tucked away in my archives will be of >assistance... > >[quote] > >Assuming all teacher names end in two digits and none of the students >account names do this one liner may work: > >for teach in `cat /etc/passwd | awk '{FS=":";}{print $1}' | \ >egrep "[0-9][0-9]" ` ; do dir=/var/www/html/${teach}; mkdir $dir;\ >chmod 775 $dir ; cd /home/${teach}; ln -s $dir ${teach}.html; done > >not tested or debugged, use at own risk, beware of gnats etc.. >[/quote] > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In doing so, one thing you configure is a timeout, meaning the client machine will present the usual login screen for X seconds, allowing users with IDs to login if they wish, but if no one logs in after X seconds, the client machine automatically logs in using the ID you've assigned to it. Instructions on autologin are on the wiki at http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/A_more_complete_How-To_for_setting_up_autologin_of_clients_using_Gnome_%26_GDM There are also a few other documents on the wiki on autologin, but I think this one is the most recent. Peter Doug Simpson wrote: > Ask about making Kiosks. . .and if there is a way to make a Kiosk and still leave a way for a regular user to login. > > I don't know how to do it, but there has been much discussion about it. The kiosk logs itself in and displays the browser automatically. > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >>>> Nils Breunese 8/24/2007 7:37 AM >>> > Hello guys, > > We're setting up a K12LTSP 5EL install and almost everything is > working just fine. We currently in the process of setting up user > accounts, but ran into a problem. We want to supply a couple of > personal user accounts, but there are also a lot of people that > should be able to use the LTSP terminals for just checking their > email etcetera and we don't want to give out personal user accounts > to all those hundreds of people. Mostly because they will log in so > infrequently that most of them will not remember their username and > password, so a guest account would probably be more appropriate. We > noticed however that when multiple terminals are logged in under the > same user account things don't go really smooth. Firefox complains > about already running and we also can't reset the guest user's > homedir as other people might still be logged in as that user while > another terminal logs out. Did anyone ever manage to work this out or > have an idea? > > Thanks, > > Nils Breunese. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nils at breun.nl Sat Aug 25 16:32:26 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:32:26 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP guest accounts In-Reply-To: <46D05671.7090105@scheie.homedns.org> References: <9288D5F1-98A3-4A1B-BA7C-06BAD600FB9F@breun.nl> <46CE94B8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <46D05671.7090105@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: Peter Scheie wrote: > You need to setup autologins for the client machines. In doing so, > one thing you configure is a timeout, meaning the client machine > will present the usual login screen for X seconds, allowing users > with IDs to login if they wish, but if no one logs in after X > seconds, the client machine automatically logs in using the ID > you've assigned to it. Instructions on autologin are on the wiki at > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/A_more_complete_How- > To_for_setting_up_autologin_of_clients_using_Gnome_%26_GDM > There are also a few other documents on the wiki on autologin, but > I think this one is the most recent. Thanks for that. It looks like this might work for us. Will try to set this up tonight. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sounds like you forgot the "-m" switch in smbldap-useradd-bulk. Believe it or not...I did that just the other day....so I ran smbldap-userdel-bulk.....removed the users again....and then "re-added them" making sure I used the -m switch. So...let's assume the input file you used was students.input.....and the output file was students.output. You should have originally run: ./smbldap-useradd-bulk -m -f students.input -o students.output To remove them....simply run ./smbldap-userdel-bulk -f students.output Then to re-add....passwords and all... (making sure this time the -m switch is in place) ./smbldap-useradd-bulk -m -f students.ouput -o students.newoutput The output file is actually in the format needed and contains all the default information you need including the passwords. The script works in such a way that if the password is there in the text file....it will use it....otherwise it will generate one. The output file has the password in place...so that's the one that will be used. No worries! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From matrimble at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 16:53:59 2007 From: matrimble at gmail.com (Mark Trimble) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:53:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Editing Default Profile Message-ID: <17b895960708250953kbc0a06eha30724a0ba5d2225@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I would like to customize the default LTSP user profile/desktop (menus, screensavers, themes, etc) and would also like extensions that I've added to Firefox to be applied to all users. I was wondering if this is possible and, if so, how? Regards, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Krsnendu dasa On 26/08/07, David Trask wrote: > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >Unfortunately, I do not understand your commands. I also have to have a > >way to do this that will work as this is a production server. I would > just > >blow this away and start over but the users passwords have already been > >put into there schedule. I am also unsure if I create the users again > >using the bulk user script (from matt oquists smbldap-installer) that it > >will still not create the home directories. Is there something wrong with > >this script? I need help! > > > The passwords don't have to change....you should still have the master > output file with all the passwords in it right? Sounds like you forgot > the "-m" switch in smbldap-useradd-bulk. Believe it or not...I did that > just the other day....so I ran smbldap-userdel-bulk.....removed the users > again....and then "re-added them" making sure I used the -m switch. > So...let's assume the input file you used was students.input.....and the > output file was students.output. You should have originally run: > > ./smbldap-useradd-bulk -m -f students.input -o students.output > > To remove them....simply run > > ./smbldap-userdel-bulk -f students.output > > Then to re-add....passwords and all... (making sure this time the -m > switch is in place) > > ./smbldap-useradd-bulk -m -f students.ouput -o students.newoutput > > The output file is actually in the format needed and contains all the > default information you need including the passwords. The script works in > such a way that if the password is there in the text file....it will use > it....otherwise it will generate one. The output file has the password in > place...so that's the one that will be used. No worries! :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sat Aug 25 20:51:55 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:51:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Editing Default Profile In-Reply-To: <17b895960708250953kbc0a06eha30724a0ba5d2225@mail.gmail.com> References: <17b895960708250953kbc0a06eha30724a0ba5d2225@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D0966B.40804@scheie.homedns.org> There's no central tool for configuring all these things. However, you can use sabayon to customize the menu system. To configure the desktop icons and Firefox, login as user, create the desktop icons you want, and add the extensions for Firefox, etc. Then logout, login as root, and copy all the files and directories, including and especially the hidden ones, of that user, to /etc/skel. Any new users will get all those files, directories, and their settings. If you later want to add icons to existing users' desktops, login on the console as root and you should have an icon on the desktop for copying things to all user's desktops. If you do that, make sure you update /etc/skel with that addition so any subsequently created users will also get those new icons. Peter Mark Trimble wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to customize the default LTSP user profile/desktop (menus, > screensavers, themes, etc) and would also like extensions that I've > added to Firefox to be applied to all users. I was wondering if this is > possible and, if so, how? > > Regards, > Mark > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From einfeldt at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 21:34:18 2007 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:34:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: I need a list of good FOSS apps for k12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20070824213449.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5e1004d878.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070824213449.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5e1004d878.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4b5781040708251434i352ed355sd1bcb411026a88e6@mail.gmail.com> hi On 8/24/07, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > We just run the windows version of FireFox under Wine with the shockwave > plugin. Works just fine. > I have been told by the sys admin who is responsible for our Linux lab that he has gotten shockwave working on our edubuntu server, but my most recent test was not successful. I'm assuming that it is operator error on my part, as I am a relatively simple end user, and prone to that kind of thing (heh). I have been able to get FF for Windows (FF 4 win) working on a PClinuxOS box, but not shockwave. I am confident that we will resolve this issue, and I anticipate documenting the solution somewhere. I will ping this list when we get it working. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are getting ready for the new school year, and one of the > teachers would like to use this site > > http://www.explorelearning.com/ > > Unfortunately, it requires Adobe shockwave, a non-Free software > package. We are in the process of moving the operating system on our > server from K12LTSP to Edubuntu. I am wondering if anyone here has > succeeded in getting shockwave running in any kind of k12LTSP or > edubuntu networks. We are currently running on a Xeon dual core 2gb > machine, but will soon be moving to a slightly faster machine. > > Thanks! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Fight the Digital Divide http://toss-elptx.blogspot.com/ \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ From einfeldt at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 04:08:40 2007 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:08:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] I need a list of good FOSS apps for k12LTSP and for FOSS workstations In-Reply-To: <46D0FBA1.7020808@elp.rr.com> References: <4b5781040708221853r69b09089sd7ccdc49011f9851@mail.gmail.com> <46D0FBA1.7020808@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <4b5781040708252108q59d8fc24x6c344e9608181c49@mail.gmail.com> hi On 8/25/07, ahodson wrote: > > Hi Christen > > Rushed in to suggest http://tinyurl.com/3e4sh8 as a good source of K12 > FOSS apps, only to realize that your needs were rather specific in > nature. No, we are just at the beginning of moving the school to FOSS. We have a decent Linux lab, and we are slowly branching out with desktops wherever we can. So it will be a long, slow slog, but we will get there. I very much appreciate all of the suggestions that I have seen here! Please keep them coming! I hope you find a solution here, and feel free to keep the link > for a rainy day - it may come in handy. Absolutely. It is a constant process of swapPing out proprietary apps for FOSS apps. Rust never sleeps. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Sun Aug 26 13:19:21 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:19:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] MS - new take on Open Source Message-ID: <20070826061921.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a127462172.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have installed nspluginwrapper to be able to use 32-bit Flash with 64-bit Firefox and I have also installed libflashsupport. There is only a 32-bit package for libflashsupport. Is that because of the 32-bit-ness of Flash or could there be a 64- bit version? We're trying to keep things as much 64-bit as possible. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sun Aug 26 19:15:15 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:15:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] kdebase required by k12ltsp-core? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46D1D143.1050509@scheie.homedns.org> Many of the educational packages that come with K12LTSP are from the kde-edu project. They may depend on kdebase. Installing kdebase consumes an insignificant amount of diskspace--diskspace is cheap--and having it installed is a good idea even if you're strictly running Gnome. Peter Nils Breunese wrote: > Hello, > > We are setting up K12LTSP 5EL and noticed kdebase (including Konqueror) > is installed by default. I tried to remove it, but apparently the > k12ltsp-core package lists kdebase as a dependency. Anyone have any idea > why? We like a clean Gnome desktop. :o) > > Nils Breunese. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nils at breun.nl Sun Aug 26 19:12:09 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:12:09 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] kdebase required by k12ltsp-core? In-Reply-To: <46D1D143.1050509@scheie.homedns.org> References: <46D1D143.1050509@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <78B8E96D-AB47-4DB9-A34B-2453ADB635D6@breun.nl> Peter Scheie wrote: > Many of the educational packages that come with K12LTSP are from > the kde-edu project. They may depend on kdebase. Installing > kdebase consumes an insignificant amount of diskspace--diskspace is > cheap--and having it installed is a good idea even if you're > strictly running Gnome. I don't really agree. If one installs a package that requires kdebase, then yum will install kdebase. No need to have it installed 'just in case'. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com On 8/24/07, Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > Both were turned off. > > -Joe > > Joe Korzeniewski > Network Administrator > Battle Creek Public Schools > p. 269-965-9667 > c. 269-209-9677 > > >>> "David Whitmer" 8/24/2007 1:07 PM >>> > I haven't tried it yet. I'll try it this weekend, and will report back on > the list about whether it worked for me. > > Have you checked your selinux and firewall settings? > > David Whitmer > Director of Media & Technology > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > > > On 8/24/07, Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > > > Have you been able to get VNC working correctly? It kept rejecting the > > session every time I have tried (I had already corrected /etc/hosts). > > > > -Joe > > > > Joe Korzeniewski > > Network Administrator > > Battle Creek Public Schools > > p. 269-965-9667 > > c. 269-209-9677 > > > > >>> "David Whitmer" 8/24/2007 12:21 PM >>> > > On 8/24/07, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > > > I'm installing our LTSP servers for the year this evening. I think if > I > > > install 7beta5, I'll be able to just yum upgrade to the final when > it's > > > done. Is that a fair estimate? > > > > > > Is anyone using LTSP7 in production, or might I want to spend a year > > with > > > 6.0? (Yes I realize any opinions are, well, opinions, but if anyone's > > > been using v7, I'd like to know their opinion...) > > > > > > > > > Thanks a ton, > > > -Shawn > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Shawn Powers > > > Technology Director > > > Inland Lakes Schools > > > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > > > FAX: 509-356-7024 > > > spowers at inlandlakes.org > > > Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > > Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > > > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > > > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > > > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > > > or anything else I might infer are not the > > > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > > > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > > > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > > > > > > Shawn, > > > > I've just started upgrading our school's computers to v7. > > > > The only issue I've run into so far is that installing from the DVD > always > > failed when trying to copy the install image to the hard drive (right > > after > > the formatting step) . However, installing from the download iso file > > over > > NFS worked great. > > > > > > David Whitmer > > Director of Media & Technology > > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Mon Aug 27 12:37:06 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:37:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] kdebase required by k12ltsp-core? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46D2C572.1040206@bio-chemvalve.com> Nils, I just tried to uninstall kdebase and it is a dependency of kdeedu, which contains a bunch of the KDE-based educational stuff like kstars, khangman, and all those other "k" games. k12ltsp-core is just a meta-package, and you can uninstall it if you want (it won't take any other applications with it). But that won't help you if you need to keep the "k" games. -Rob Nils Breunese wrote: > Hello, > > We are setting up K12LTSP 5EL and noticed kdebase (including > Konqueror) is installed by default. I tried to remove it, but > apparently the k12ltsp-core package lists kdebase as a dependency. > Anyone have any idea why? We like a clean Gnome desktop. :o) > > Nils Breunese. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Mon Aug 27 12:38:39 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:38:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP guest accounts In-Reply-To: <9288D5F1-98A3-4A1B-BA7C-06BAD600FB9F@breun.nl> References: <9288D5F1-98A3-4A1B-BA7C-06BAD600FB9F@breun.nl> Message-ID: <46D2C5CF.8070303@bio-chemvalve.com> I used to use a timed login, but now I just write a unique username and password on each machine that anybody can use if they don't have their own login credentials. -Rob Nils Breunese wrote: > Hello guys, > > We're setting up a K12LTSP 5EL install and almost everything is > working just fine. We currently in the process of setting up user > accounts, but ran into a problem. We want to supply a couple of > personal user accounts, but there are also a lot of people that should > be able to use the LTSP terminals for just checking their email > etcetera and we don't want to give out personal user accounts to all > those hundreds of people. Mostly because they will log in so > infrequently that most of them will not remember their username and > password, so a guest account would probably be more appropriate. We > noticed however that when multiple terminals are logged in under the > same user account things don't go really smooth. Firefox complains > about already running and we also can't reset the guest user's homedir > as other people might still be logged in as that user while another > terminal logs out. Did anyone ever manage to work this out or have an > idea? > > Thanks, > > Nils Breunese. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nils at breun.nl Mon Aug 27 12:45:42 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:45:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] kdebase required by k12ltsp-core? In-Reply-To: <46D2C572.1040206@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <46D2C572.1040206@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <3EE94685-D203-4151-8BE8-67E510E98451@breun.nl> Rob Owens wrote: > I just tried to uninstall kdebase and it is a dependency of kdeedu, > which contains a bunch of the KDE-based educational stuff like kstars, > khangman, and all those other "k" games. > > k12ltsp-core is just a meta-package, and you can uninstall it if you > want (it won't take any other applications with it). But that won't > help you if you need to keep the "k" games. We don't have the kdeedu package installed. If kdeedu is considered part of the K12LTSP core packages then I guess k12ltsp-core should list kdeedu as a requirement instead of kdebase. And yes, I know that kdeedu will probably bring in kdebase, that's logical. Nils. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In my case, I thought it would be too hard for users who have their own login credentials to remember to log out of the autologin account before logging in as themselves... -Rob From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Mon Aug 27 14:41:46 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:41:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives References: <9288D5F1-98A3-4A1B-BA7C-06BAD600FB9F@breun.nl> <46D2C5CF.8070303@bio-chemvalve.com> <16A5DCA9-37E4-4F85-8A35-FB10A51B433D@breun.nl> <46D2DB46.6010607@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: When my students save on a network drive they all share for classwork, the file becomes read only. Why is that and how do I fix it? I went to the mount point and changed the group to user and set it as read/write. I also made sure it was for all files below as well? I'm sure this is simple but I need to fix it fast. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2644 bytes Desc: not available URL: From garen_evans2 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 14:51:00 2007 From: garen_evans2 at yahoo.com (Garen Evans II) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <251488.93439.qm@web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- "Kemp, Levi" wrote: > When my students save on a network drive they all > share for classwork, the file becomes read only. Why > is that and how do I fix it? I went to the mount > point and changed the group to user and set it as > read/write. I also made sure it was for all files > below as well? I'm sure this is simple but I need to > fix it fast. > > Levi Kemp > Technology Specialist > Bolivar R-1 Schools > 417-328-8943 > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Levi, My mind fails at the moment (not enough coffee yet), but would writing a cron job to periodically reset the ownership say every couple of minutes between active user hours be a feasible patch? (ie 8am to 4 pm) If I wake up today, I'll look into this more.. Garen L. Evans, II garen_evans2 at yahoo.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 15:11:50 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:11:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba problem Message-ID: <9bd317560708270811n2bbcd89awf6cb9deaf2e6978a@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to let a k12ltsp user access a windows share. The server is using samba/ldap (on a separate machine) for auth. The weird thing is that it can see only a couple windows boxes in the workgroup workgroup. the one in question is xpsp2. Can somone suggest a fix or troubleshooting course of action? Thanks, Peter From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 15:16:34 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:16:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rsyncing servers? Message-ID: <9bd317560708270816y35b6ec8bn4b4ed91d68566f63@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone been so bold as to use rsync system files with multiple servers? I mean in the type of environment where the available dhcp server picks up the request and handles the session. up the i guess one would have to exclude hardware specific stuff. Thanks, Peter From swift at msad52.org Mon Aug 27 15:43:55 2007 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:43:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! creating bulk users In-Reply-To: References: <,> Message-ID: David , I followed the directions in the documentation and the -m switch was not there. It also asked me when I ran the script what the path was for the home directory. I am going to following your instructions below and this should solve the problem. Thanks "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >"Support list for open source software in schools." >writes: >>Unfortunately, I do not understand your commands. I also have to have a >>way to do this that will work as this is a production server. I would >just >>blow this away and start over but the users passwords have already been >>put into there schedule. I am also unsure if I create the users again >>using the bulk user script (from matt oquists smbldap-installer) that it >>will still not create the home directories. Is there something wrong with >>this script? I need help! > > >The passwords don't have to change....you should still have the master >output file with all the passwords in it right? Sounds like you forgot >the "-m" switch in smbldap-useradd-bulk. Believe it or not...I did that >just the other day....so I ran smbldap-userdel-bulk.....removed the users >again....and then "re-added them" making sure I used the -m switch. >So...let's assume the input file you used was students.input.....and the >output file was students.output. You should have originally run: > >./smbldap-useradd-bulk -m -f students.input -o students.output > >To remove them....simply run > >./smbldap-userdel-bulk -f students.output > >Then to re-add....passwords and all... (making sure this time the -m >switch is in place) > >./smbldap-useradd-bulk -m -f students.ouput -o students.newoutput > >The output file is actually in the format needed and contains all the >default information you need including the passwords. The script works in >such a way that if the password is there in the text file....it will use >it....otherwise it will generate one. The output file has the password in >place...so that's the one that will be used. No worries! :-) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 27 16:46:43 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:46:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] libflashsupport 64-bit? In-Reply-To: <6FFF588C-25B8-4B9E-B060-054D9EF16CE5@breun.nl> References: <6FFF588C-25B8-4B9E-B060-054D9EF16CE5@breun.nl> Message-ID: <994441ae0708270946h5d9b8ba3l2f0dfd6fbd84c70c@mail.gmail.com> On 8/26/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > I know Flash doesn't exist for 32-bit and we run a 64-bit K12LTSP 5EL > and want Flash support. I have installed nspluginwrapper to be able > to use 32-bit Flash with 64-bit Firefox and I have also installed > libflashsupport. There is only a 32-bit package for libflashsupport. > Is that because of the 32-bit-ness of Flash or could there be a 64- > bit version? We're trying to keep things as much 64-bit as possible. It didn't build on x86_64 for me in a quick 30-second test. My guess is that since it's a support library for a 32-bit application (the FLash plugin), it doesn't make much sense for it to be a 64-bit library. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From nils at breun.nl Mon Aug 27 16:58:16 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:58:16 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] libflashsupport 64-bit? In-Reply-To: <6FFF588C-25B8-4B9E-B060-054D9EF16CE5@breun.nl> References: <6FFF588C-25B8-4B9E-B060-054D9EF16CE5@breun.nl> Message-ID: Nils Breunese wrote: > I know Flash doesn't exist for 32-bit (...) Of course I meant to say that I know that Flash only exists in a 32- bit version. Sorry. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 27 17:01:42 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:01:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives In-Reply-To: References: <9288D5F1-98A3-4A1B-BA7C-06BAD600FB9F@breun.nl> <46D2C5CF.8070303@bio-chemvalve.com> <16A5DCA9-37E4-4F85-8A35-FB10A51B433D@breun.nl> <46D2DB46.6010607@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0708271001h2450b46fme7eb22a901045be3@mail.gmail.com> On 8/27/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > When my students save on a network drive they all share for classwork, the file becomes read only. Why is that and how do I fix it? I went to the mount point and changed the group to user and set it as read/write. I also made sure it was for all files below as well? I'm sure this is simple but I need to fix it fast. What's the UMASK in /etc/login.defs? Do the shared directories have the setgid bit set, i.e. "chmod g+s /path/to/shared"? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From monteslu at cox.net Mon Aug 27 17:16:13 2007 From: monteslu at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:16:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 6? In-Reply-To: References: <26214304.1186714567100.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <46D306DD.3090206@cox.net> David, Not sure if you ever got the local devices working with edubuntu + smbldap, but I had to disable LDM_DIRECTX to get it work. Luis David Trask wrote: > Sound works fine in flash....go here > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ > > near the bottom for the fix...piece of cake. I have it working well. > also on the Edubuntu site either in the docs or the wiki you'll find the > lts.conf variables. I recently (last week) got two servers (Edubuntu) > with dhcp/load balance and failover along with a Samba/LDAP server using > smbldap-installer....up and running. It was so easy it was > anti-climactic. I'm still a K12LTSP fan and have been since the beginning > (I've used it at our school since September 2001...in earnest)...however, > I really like where Ubuntu and Edubuntu are headed. The MueKow way of > doing things is the way of the future....there are still some bugs, but > each new release just gets SO MUCH better. I would love to see the > Redhat/Fedora folks really get their act together and go nuts with > K12LTSP, but it ain't happening yet...at least publicly. There will be > MAJOR new advances in Gutsy (the next release) that should speed things up > tremendously. Once booted the terminals are fine....no diffs between > K12LTSP and Edubuntu.....it's the booting that takes a bit. Be sure to > use Gideon Romms patched LDM for your current Edubuntu installation. > > I think it's here > > http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp/download/gadi%40ltsp.org-20070521205254-ek710bofdpdtlwlz/x_Matt_Zimmerman_%3Cmatt.zimmerman%40canonical.com%3E_Tue_Jun__7_19%3A59%3A49_2005_32192.0/ldm > > and do this: > > >> Replace your current "/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm" with the new file >> > (you may want to > >> backup your current ldm just to be safe). The in >> > "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" add the > >> following line: >> >> LDM_DIRECTX=True >> > > Hope this all helps! :-) > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >> One day in and I've had some success and some extreme frustration. >> >> First the good stuff: >> >> Install went fine. >> Thin clients immediately booted up. >> The latest smbldap client script connected me right up. >> >> Now the problems: >> >> sudo... I guess it's better than switching to root like I've always done >> with redhat, but why does it only work on the server for GUI apps? >> The lts.conf is not nearly as nice as the one on k12ltsp. In fact, it's >> almost empty. I have no idea what the new variables are. The top of the >> file says I can read a gzipped example conf, but it doesn't exist on the >> server or in any repo that I can tell. >> Sound still doesn't work for me in flash on a client and the only adobe >> flash thing i can see in the repo is the plugin itself. >> >> Luis >> >> >> ---- Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:22:08 -0700, monteslu wrote >>> >>>> I have k12ltsp5EL & edubuntu discs sitting in front of me, and school >>>> >> starts >> >>>> on Monday. >>>> >>>> As much as I love fedora, redhat hasn't done much to help integrate >>>> >> Muekow. >> >>>> I'm gonna give edubuntu a shot. >>>> >>>> 1 smbldap server >>>> 2 edubuntu servers >>>> 70 thin clients. >>>> >>>> I'll report on my success or failure. >>>> >>> You'll really like Edubuntu. Download the modified LDM and enable >>> >> LDM_DIRECTX=true in >> >>> lts.conf for faster screen speeds. FYI the Thin Client Manager >>> >> (Edubuntu's TeacherTool) >> >>> has some major issues at the moment, any VNC related features do not >>> >> work. Other than >> >>> that Edubuntu is great. >>> >>> If it helps you can steal the needed pieces from this tutorial for >>> >> setting up LDAP >> >>> authentication for your Edubuntu servers: >>> >>> http://www.1-cs.com/ubuntu_ldap_howto.txt >>> >>> Good luck. >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >>> Department, and is believed to be clean. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > > From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Mon Aug 27 17:33:43 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:33:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives References: <9288D5F1-98A3-4A1B-BA7C-06BAD600FB9F@breun.nl><46D2C5CF.8070303@bio-chemvalve.com><16A5DCA9-37E4-4F85-8A35-FB10A51B433D@breun.nl><46D2DB46.6010607@bio-chemvalve.com> <994441ae0708271001h2450b46fme7eb22a901045be3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well I'll just be honest here, you went right over my head. I'm sure I could research it and eventually find what you mean, but I'm kinda in mid-use right now so if you could elablorate I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Dan Young Sent: Mon 8/27/2007 12:01 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Network Drives On 8/27/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > When my students save on a network drive they all share for classwork, the file becomes read only. Why is that and how do I fix it? I went to the mount point and changed the group to user and set it as read/write. I also made sure it was for all files below as well? I'm sure this is simple but I need to fix it fast. What's the UMASK in /etc/login.defs? Do the shared directories have the setgid bit set, i.e. "chmod g+s /path/to/shared"? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 27 18:05:16 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:05:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives In-Reply-To: References: <9288D5F1-98A3-4A1B-BA7C-06BAD600FB9F@breun.nl> <46D2C5CF.8070303@bio-chemvalve.com> <16A5DCA9-37E4-4F85-8A35-FB10A51B433D@breun.nl> <46D2DB46.6010607@bio-chemvalve.com> <994441ae0708271001h2450b46fme7eb22a901045be3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0708271105u12feefcbh9173b18a92db772c@mail.gmail.com> On 8/27/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > Well I'll just be honest here, you went right over my head. I'm sure I could research it and eventually find what you mean, but I'm kinda in mid-use right now so if you could elablorate I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Sorry, didn't mean to gloss over the details. /etc/login.defs defines some parameters for users, including the default permissions of files they create. You probably need a umask of 007 to have newly created files be group read/writable and directories be group read/write/executable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umask http://www.tech-faq.com/umask.shtml An "ls -ld /path/to/shared/dir" should show the permissions for the shared directory. I think you'll want something like: drwxrws--- Doing a g+s on a directory will cause files created in that directory to inherit the group ownership of the directory, which is generally desired in a "group share" scenario. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Mon Aug 27 18:48:53 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:48:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives References: <9288D5F1-98A3-4A1B-BA7C-06BAD600FB9F@breun.nl><46D2C5CF.8070303@bio-chemvalve.com><16A5DCA9-37E4-4F85-8A35-FB10A51B433D@breun.nl><46D2DB46.6010607@bio-chemvalve.com><994441ae0708271001h2450b46fme7eb22a901045be3@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0708271105u12feefcbh9173b18a92db772c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ok well here is what shows when I show the permissions for the shared directory. drwxrwxrwx 1 root users 0 Aug 27 10:01 /mnt/M Is that not going to work? Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Dan Young Sent: Mon 8/27/2007 1:05 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Network Drives On 8/27/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > Well I'll just be honest here, you went right over my head. I'm sure I could research it and eventually find what you mean, but I'm kinda in mid-use right now so if you could elablorate I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Sorry, didn't mean to gloss over the details. /etc/login.defs defines some parameters for users, including the default permissions of files they create. You probably need a umask of 007 to have newly created files be group read/writable and directories be group read/write/executable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umask http://www.tech-faq.com/umask.shtml An "ls -ld /path/to/shared/dir" should show the permissions for the shared directory. I think you'll want something like: drwxrws--- Doing a g+s on a directory will cause files created in that directory to inherit the group ownership of the directory, which is generally desired in a "group share" scenario. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3816 bytes Desc: not available URL: From onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca Mon Aug 27 19:38:15 2007 From: onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca (Onatawahtaw) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] First Nations/Aboriginal Language Teaching Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <365839.89282.qm@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Heya, Just thought I'd let you all know that I am working on developing some language teaching software. Currently it is being developed in the Cree language, but it can easily be expanded to other languages as well. It is still in the beginning phase right now, but thought I'd mention it anyway just in case there is some interest. You can download a very rough version from http://adornthetruth.com/nikamo Blessings, -Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Mon Aug 27 20:19:21 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:19:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives References: <9288D5F1-98A3-4A1B-BA7C-06BAD600FB9F@breun.nl><46D2C5CF.8070303@bio-chemvalve.com><16A5DCA9-37E4-4F85-8A35-FB10A51B433D@breun.nl><46D2DB46.6010607@bio-chemvalve.com><994441ae0708271001h2450b46fme7eb22a901045be3@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0708271105u12feefcbh9173b18a92db772c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, I forgot to mention that the login.defs unmask was set to 077, so I changed it to 007. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Kemp, Levi Sent: Mon 8/27/2007 1:48 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Network Drives Ok well here is what shows when I show the permissions for the shared directory. drwxrwxrwx 1 root users 0 Aug 27 10:01 /mnt/M Is that not going to work? Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Dan Young Sent: Mon 8/27/2007 1:05 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Network Drives On 8/27/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > Well I'll just be honest here, you went right over my head. I'm sure I could research it and eventually find what you mean, but I'm kinda in mid-use right now so if you could elablorate I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Sorry, didn't mean to gloss over the details. /etc/login.defs defines some parameters for users, including the default permissions of files they create. You probably need a umask of 007 to have newly created files be group read/writable and directories be group read/write/executable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umask http://www.tech-faq.com/umask.shtml An "ls -ld /path/to/shared/dir" should show the permissions for the shared directory. I think you'll want something like: drwxrws--- Doing a g+s on a directory will cause files created in that directory to inherit the group ownership of the directory, which is generally desired in a "group share" scenario. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is the group set to "users" and at least -rw-rw---- ? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 22:59:28 2007 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:59:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Welcome to a new school year and pdf editing... Message-ID: <8b88203f0708271559o1d3d07d5w2d67164ccbcaa89@mail.gmail.com> Happy New School Year Everyone! I've been asked to do a fast seminar for our teachers on editing pdf docs. I said "You can't." They said yes you can like I was on another planet. I do know about pdftohtml and pdftotext. Are there other tools out here in FOSS that are pdf to doc? thanks All, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgarza28 at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 23:10:00 2007 From: rgarza28 at gmail.com (Ray Garza) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:10:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP guest accounts In-Reply-To: <46D2DB46.6010607@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <9288D5F1-98A3-4A1B-BA7C-06BAD600FB9F@breun.nl> <16A5DCA9-37E4-4F85-8A35-FB10A51B433D@breun.nl> <46D2DB46.6010607@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <200708271810.00180.rgarza28@gmail.com> On Monday 27 August 2007 09:10:14 am Rob Owens wrote: > Nils Breunese wrote: > > Rob Owens wrote: > >> I used to use a timed login, but now I just write a unique username and > >> password on each machine that anybody can use if they don't have their > >> own login credentials. > > > > We thought of that as well, but figured that would be too 'hard' for > > our users... > > That's funny. In my case, I thought it would be too hard for users who > have their own login credentials to remember to log out of the autologin > account before logging in as themselves... > > -Rob We also use generic user accounts, for guest users, but we log them in ourselves. We don't that may guest users so it's not a problem for to manually log them in. Ray From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Aug 27 23:38:20 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:38:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RE: I need a list of good FOSS apps for k12LTSP Message-ID: <59193.192.168.254.3.1188257900.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Paul, This may help in your delima. Update your Firefox to Firefox2.x . Don't know why but this makes a lot of flash stuff work. We've used 2.0 for a year now. There is either a .zip of Firefox 2.x or if you are using fc5/k12ltsp5.0 there is an rpm now,as well. I tried the site you had posted here, & the demo movies play,along with sound without a hitch. I am using 5.0 k12ltsp.( with Firefox2.0.0.2) Not really any need to deal with Wine and extra stuff for this one ( I don't think?)..:-) Hope this helps. Take Care, Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Aug 27 23:57:18 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:57:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives Message-ID: <52874.192.168.254.3.1188259038.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Levi, You didn't mention if this was a Samba file server?If it is, do this in the profiles directive:( at /etc/samba/smb.conf) [profiles] create mask = 0600 directory mask = 0700 You surely aren't using the evil MS $$ file server?... Let us know your progress. Take Care, Barry Cisna From nils at breun.nl Tue Aug 28 00:00:52 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 02:00:52 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Welcome to a new school year and pdf editing... In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0708271559o1d3d07d5w2d67164ccbcaa89@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0708271559o1d3d07d5w2d67164ccbcaa89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <97F4D34D-AB74-47A6-B824-91A0962E7F92@breun.nl> Jim Christiansen wrote: > Happy New School Year Everyone! > > I've been asked to do a fast seminar for our teachers on editing > pdf docs. > > I said "You can't." > > They said yes you can like I was on another planet. I do know > about pdftohtml and pdftotext. Are there other tools out here in > FOSS that are pdf to doc? Google around for "edit pdf linux" and you'll find a couple of tools and tricks, but I'm afraid the only 'real' way to edit PDF's is Adobe Acrobat ($$$ and not available for Linux). Adobe Reader for Linux will let you fill out PDF forms if that is what you need. PDF files are not really suited for editing really. What kind of editing would they like to be able to do? Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Would freenx meet your > needs? > > David Whitmer > Director of Media & Technology > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > > On 8/24/07, Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > > > Both were turned off. > > > > -Joe > > > > Joe Korzeniewski > > Network Administrator > > Battle Creek Public Schools > > p. 269-965-9667 > > c. 269-209-9677 > > > > >>> "David Whitmer" < thewhitmers at gmail.com> 8/24/2007 1:07 PM >>> > > I haven't tried it yet. I'll try it this weekend, and will report back > > on > > the list about whether it worked for me. > > > > Have you checked your selinux and firewall settings? > > > > David Whitmer > > Director of Media & Technology > > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > > > > > > > On 8/24/07, Joe Korzeniewski wrote: > > > > > > Have you been able to get VNC working correctly? It kept rejecting the > > > > > session every time I have tried (I had already corrected /etc/hosts). > > > > > > -Joe > > > > > > Joe Korzeniewski > > > Network Administrator > > > Battle Creek Public Schools > > > p. 269-965-9667 > > > c. 269-209-9677 > > > > > > >>> "David Whitmer" 8/24/2007 12:21 PM >>> > > > On 8/24/07, Shawn Powers < spowers at inlandlakes.org> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm installing our LTSP servers for the year this evening. I think > > if I > > > > install 7beta5, I'll be able to just yum upgrade to the final when > > it's > > > > done. Is that a fair estimate? > > > > > > > > Is anyone using LTSP7 in production, or might I want to spend a year > > > with > > > > 6.0? (Yes I realize any opinions are, well, opinions, but if > > anyone's > > > > been using v7, I'd like to know their opinion...) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a ton, > > > > -Shawn > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Shawn Powers > > > > Technology Director > > > > Inland Lakes Schools > > > > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > > > > FAX: 509-356-7024 > > > > spowers at inlandlakes.org > > > > Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > > > Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > > > > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > > > > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > > > > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > > > > or anything else I might infer are not the > > > > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > > > > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > > > > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shawn, > > > > > > I've just started upgrading our school's computers to v7. > > > > > > The only issue I've run into so far is that installing from the DVD > > always > > > failed when trying to copy the install image to the hard drive (right > > > after > > > the formatting step) . However, installing from the download iso file > > > over > > > NFS worked great. > > > > > > > > > David Whitmer > > > Director of Media & Technology > > > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > > > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > > > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think I have not messed with that and I even can't remember/finf out, what file is the place to tell boot path etc... could somebody give me a hint, please. Yours, mikkoj From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Aug 28 13:26:28 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:26:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives References: <52874.192.168.254.3.1188259038.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: One server at a time Barry. Yes it is a Mounted Samba share. Ok well I'll go back and undo what I've done so far because right now they get read/write errors whenever they try to use it and they could all read and execute before. We're actually using Linux for this, and for our antivirus for our mail server. It's getting there. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Barry Cisna Sent: Mon 8/27/2007 6:57 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives Levi, You didn't mention if this was a Samba file server?If it is, do this in the profiles directive:( at /etc/samba/smb.conf) [profiles] create mask = 0600 directory mask = 0700 You surely aren't using the evil MS $$ file server?... Let us know your progress. Take Care, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sometimes, the print jobs are coming out immediately after >> clicking print. One lab has a networked HP LaserJet 2200, the other >> has an HP LaserJet 1300 connected to the parallel port on the server. >> >> Also, where do I go to view/manage pending print jobs? I'm from the >> Novell/Windows school, so I'm still learning Linux. >> >> Any help, guys? Thanks so much! >> >> Ronnie Miller >> Tech Specialist >> Seminole County Schools >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I wonder if your printing slowness might be related to the article on the following page: (search for libgnomecups ) http://davelargo.blogspot.com/2007_07_01_archive.html -Joe Baker From mel at melwade.com Tue Aug 28 14:52:15 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:52:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE Message-ID: <43080f460708280752q3a6c8c90xf50935050256e3c7@mail.gmail.com> I have some Intel and 3com cards with PXE boot capabilities. I have flashed the cards with the lastest firmware, but get PXE-E20 errors when it tries to boot. I've googled, but can't seem to find a solution.... I have other thin clients booting on the system so I know that part is working. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 28 15:19:27 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:19:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE In-Reply-To: <43080f460708280752q3a6c8c90xf50935050256e3c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708280752q3a6c8c90xf50935050256e3c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D43CFF.6000108@cmosnetworks.com> Mel Wade wrote: > I have some Intel and 3com cards with PXE boot capabilities. I have > flashed the cards with the lastest firmware, but get PXE-E20 errors > when it tries to boot. I've googled, but can't seem to find a > solution.... > > I have other thin clients booting on the system so I know that part is working. > Just did some preliminary Googling, too. From what I read of that error code, the BIOS is returning an error code trying to copy the NIC's boot image into "extended memory" and that this error should "never" (haha) happen. What happens if you take those NIC's and try them in a totally different computer? Any change? The only other possibility that quickly comes to mind is the 15-16MB memory "hole" that some BIOS's allow you to set. This is totally a guess, but maybe that NIC's trying to write into that memory hole, and it can't? I note that the error code speaks of a problem with writing to extended memory. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 28 15:25:19 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:25:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE In-Reply-To: <46D43CFF.6000108@cmosnetworks.com> References: <43080f460708280752q3a6c8c90xf50935050256e3c7@mail.gmail.com> <46D43CFF.6000108@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <46D43E5F.2000208@cmosnetworks.com> _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > Mel Wade wrote: > >> I have some Intel and 3com cards with PXE boot capabilities. I have >> flashed the cards with the lastest firmware, but get PXE-E20 errors >> when it tries to boot. I've googled, but can't seem to find a >> solution.... >> >> I have other thin clients booting on the system so I know that part is working. >> >> > Just did some preliminary Googling, too. From what I read of that error > code, the BIOS is returning an error code trying to copy the NIC's boot > image into "extended memory" and that this error should "never" (haha) > happen. > > What happens if you take those NIC's and try them in a totally different > computer? Any change? > > The only other possibility that quickly comes to mind is the 15-16MB > memory "hole" that some BIOS's allow you to set. This is totally a > guess, but maybe that NIC's trying to write into that memory hole, and > it can't? I note that the error code speaks of a problem with writing > to extended memory. > > --TP Another thing I've seen some people report is that the PC's BIOS itself might need updating. 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From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 18:01:15 2007 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:01:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Welcome to a new school year and pdf editing... In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0708271559o1d3d07d5w2d67164ccbcaa89@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0708271559o1d3d07d5w2d67164ccbcaa89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92de6c880708281101y2a32c7bau5dfa6ab210c6340f@mail.gmail.com> On 8/27/07, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Happy New School Year Everyone! > > I've been asked to do a fast seminar for our teachers on editing pdf docs. > > I said "You can't." I'd say you need to back up and figure out why they think they need to edit pdf's. Something is broken if this is a requirement. --Tom From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Aug 28 18:25:35 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:25:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives References: <52874.192.168.254.3.1188259038.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: Alright. After changing the smb.conf and adding the profiles section as well as chmod g+s /mnt/M new files created in /mnt/M are owned by Root, group is Root, and read only. I'm sure I'm missing something small here, but sadly I'm still learning permissions in linux. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Barry Cisna Sent: Mon 8/27/2007 6:57 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives Levi, You didn't mention if this was a Samba file server?If it is, do this in the profiles directive:( at /etc/samba/smb.conf) [profiles] create mask = 0600 directory mask = 0700 You surely aren't using the evil MS $$ file server?... Let us know your progress. Take Care, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anybody know how long that's been? old way, if you were in a directory with the contents: blah one two and you did a find like this: find . -name *.txt It would have looked for the three files blah.txt one.txt and two.txt To do that find the way you wanted it to work, you would have to run it like this: find . -name \*.txt Now, with the version of redhat I have (AS4), doing find . -name *.txt looks through and finds the appropriate *.txt file like you would expect. -- Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 28 22:34:09 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:34:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] find command In-Reply-To: <69b790a80708281451q72d35ec2h59ac0e894244a918@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80708281451q72d35ec2h59ac0e894244a918@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D4A2E1.3030405@paasda.org> 'find' is likely much more powerful.. but I use 'updatedb'...and then 'locate '... --Huck Roger wrote: > It used to be you had to escape the asterisk in the find command, if you > didn't it would expand to the filenames in the current directory. that > behavior apparantly changed. Does anybody know how long that's been? > > old way, if you were in a directory with the contents: > blah > one > two > > and you did a find like this: > find . -name *.txt > It would have looked for the three files blah.txt one.txt and two.txt > To do that find the way you wanted it to work, you would have to run it > like this: > find . -name \*.txt > > Now, with the version of redhat I have (AS4), doing > find . -name *.txt > looks through and finds the appropriate *.txt file like you would expect. > > > > -- > Roger > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 22:47:18 2007 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:47:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] find command In-Reply-To: <46D4A2E1.3030405@paasda.org> References: <69b790a80708281451q72d35ec2h59ac0e894244a918@mail.gmail.com> <46D4A2E1.3030405@paasda.org> Message-ID: <69b790a80708281547i44fbe1e7n364219b132e6e4ad@mail.gmail.com> On 8/28/07, Huck wrote: > > 'find' is likely much more powerful.. > > but I use 'updatedb'...and then 'locate wildcard>'... Yeah, I use locate often too. find is for when I want to do something with the files after they're found. -- Roger ~~~~//~~~~ low cost web hosting: http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?91357 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Tue Aug 28 22:56:56 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:56:56 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] find command In-Reply-To: <69b790a80708281547i44fbe1e7n364219b132e6e4ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80708281451q72d35ec2h59ac0e894244a918@mail.gmail.com> <46D4A2E1.3030405@paasda.org> <69b790a80708281547i44fbe1e7n364219b132e6e4ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <63DEB4E9-BC3A-4507-A6D1-5B72B27B302A@breun.nl> Roger wrote: > On 8/28/07, Huck wrote: 'find' is likely much > more powerful.. > > but I use 'updatedb'...and then 'locate wildcard>'... > Yeah, I use locate often too. > find is for when I want to do something with the files after > they're found. Why wouldn't you be able to do something with the files that locate eh... locates for you? Piping the result into xargs is pretty powerful. find is more flexible than locate though, you can for instance tell it to only look in a particular part of your filesystem, check for certain permissions, times, etc. and it is always returning actually existing files. locate searches a database (which is updated by running updatedb), while find searches the live filesystem. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 28 23:49:55 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:49:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to access gmail... Message-ID: <46D4B4A3.9050205@paasda.org> on my LTSP box (no firewall) I can not access gmail... I can access hotmail/yahoo/google(all sites except gmail) upon the redirect to the login page it times out... can not find anything in the logs to indicate what the issue is. any ideas? Google itself was unhelpful. --Huck From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 00:00:59 2007 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:00:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] find command In-Reply-To: <63DEB4E9-BC3A-4507-A6D1-5B72B27B302A@breun.nl> References: <69b790a80708281451q72d35ec2h59ac0e894244a918@mail.gmail.com> <46D4A2E1.3030405@paasda.org> <69b790a80708281547i44fbe1e7n364219b132e6e4ad@mail.gmail.com> <63DEB4E9-BC3A-4507-A6D1-5B72B27B302A@breun.nl> Message-ID: <69b790a80708281700t71ef77c5gf69b240ab3226107@mail.gmail.com> On 8/28/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > > Roger wrote: > > > On 8/28/07, Huck wrote: 'find' is likely much > > more powerful.. > > > > but I use 'updatedb'...and then 'locate > wildcard>'... > > Yeah, I use locate often too. > > find is for when I want to do something with the files after > > they're found. > > Why wouldn't you be able to do something with the files that locate > eh... locates for you? Piping the result into xargs is pretty powerful. > > find is more flexible than locate though, you can for instance tell > it to only look in a particular part of your filesystem, check for > certain permissions, times, etc. and it is always returning actually > existing files. locate searches a database (which is updated by > running updatedb), while find searches the live filesystem. you answered exactly why I use find. I never would have come up with that wording, but you put exactly why I use find instead of locate. Locate is to locate a file, or to see where I squirreled something away. I use find when I want to get certain files in a subdirectory and do something with them. I just recently noticed that find uses the wild card character like you expect it to, I was just wondering when it changed. -- Roger ~~~~//~~~~ low cost web hosting: http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?91357 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you ping it? ~kari On 8/28/07, Huck wrote: > > on my LTSP box (no firewall) > > I can not access gmail... > I can access hotmail/yahoo/google(all sites except gmail) > > upon the redirect to the login page it times out... > can not find anything in the logs to indicate what the issue is. > > any ideas? > > Google itself was unhelpful. > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 29 01:06:53 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:06:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to access gmail... In-Reply-To: References: <46D4B4A3.9050205@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46D4C6AD.8060600@paasda.org> have tried https...all various renditions...gmail.com,mail.google.com, etc,...have cleared cache...have turned squid off...can ping and resolve gmail.com without a problem... it seems to be something with 'https' sites specifically... am currently trying to find something in squid.conf that may affect that...although it SHOULD work from the server no matter what...with squid turned off and no transparent proxying happening on my external interface(eth1)...(i.e. not from windows machines connected behind eth0) --Huck Kari Matthews wrote: > This is probably not help, but ... > > 1. Have you tried accessing gmail from the https:// site? > 2. Cleared your cache? > 3. Checked to see whether squid might be blocking it? > > Has it ever worked? Can you ping it? > > ~kari From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Aug 29 01:02:05 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:02:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives Message-ID: <45333.192.168.254.3.1188349325.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Levi, Just a thought,,, After you added the profiles section to your smb.conf file, you did do a ' service smb restart' , in a terminal ( for the new samba config to take effect),right ? Next go to one of the users home folder ,and right click on one of their saved files then> Properties,> then Permissions. Post here exactly what permissions are " checked" after a newly added files has been added to their home folder. See what the perms # is such as 600644 or xxxxxxx . Also right click the users home folde and do Properties on it, and make sure the folder is listed as THAT user. This may reveal something. Take Care, Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Aug 29 01:12:03 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:12:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Client boot problem Message-ID: <47250.192.168.254.3.1188349923.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Mikko, On your server do this in a terminal: tail -f /var/log/messages Now boot the client, Copy/Paste here what the messages you are getting .this will indicate were the boot process is exactly dying. And,,,what brand and number of NIC example:Realtek8139 is in this client. This may help in tshooting it as well. Report back your findings. Take Care Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Aug 29 01:28:47 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:28:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to access gmail... Message-ID: <32789.192.168.254.3.1188350927.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Huck, On the server itself do a https://localhost If you get the certificate thingie alright and get the Apache Page,, go to a workstation on your LAN and do a https://serveripaddress and see if you can still pull up the Apache web page. This should work pretty easily but once you go out beyond your lan,then if Squid is entering into it,this could be not proxing the https sites correctly.I know you said you had squid shut off so this shouldn't be entering into the picture anyway. I know by default in you use Squid along with DansGuardian by default DG will not allow https sites without backing off a couple things in thde Dg.conf file. This is a start at least. Take Care Barry Cisna From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 29 01:38:37 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:38:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to access gmail... In-Reply-To: <32789.192.168.254.3.1188350927.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <32789.192.168.254.3.1188350927.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46D4CE1D.6060708@paasda.org> logged into the server itself... https://localhost brought up the certificate thingie fine... when typing in either the internal or the external IP address...it failed.. Bad Request Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. I'm confused now ;) --Huck Barry Cisna wrote: > Huck, > > On the server itself do a https://localhost > If you get the certificate thingie alright and get the Apache Page,, > go to a workstation on your LAN and do a https://serveripaddress and see > if you can still pull up the Apache web page. This should work pretty > easily but once you go out beyond your lan,then if Squid is entering into > it,this could be not proxing the https sites correctly.I know you said you > had squid shut off so this shouldn't be entering into the picture anyway. > I know by default in you use Squid along with DansGuardian by default DG > will not allow https sites without backing off a couple things in thde > Dg.conf file. > This is a start at least. > > Take Care > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 29 01:40:15 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:40:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to access gmail... In-Reply-To: <32789.192.168.254.3.1188350927.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <32789.192.168.254.3.1188350927.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46D4CE7F.2050206@paasda.org> Oh...the funny thing is....that https://serverexternalIPaddress:10000/ (webmin) works fine ;) and on the 400 ERROR...it still asked about the certificate. --Huck Barry Cisna wrote: > Huck, > > On the server itself do a https://localhost > If you get the certificate thingie alright and get the Apache Page,, > go to a workstation on your LAN and do a https://serveripaddress and see > if you can still pull up the Apache web page. This should work pretty > easily but once you go out beyond your lan,then if Squid is entering into > it,this could be not proxing the https sites correctly.I know you said you > had squid shut off so this shouldn't be entering into the picture anyway. > I know by default in you use Squid along with DansGuardian by default DG > will not allow https sites without backing off a couple things in thde > Dg.conf file. > This is a start at least. > > Take Care > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed Aug 29 01:42:55 2007 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (edwardson) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:42:55 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Blender in LTSP question In-Reply-To: <20070828160024.B8D30735F5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070828160024.B8D30735F5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <46D4CF1F.70102@cscoms.com> Hi, Anybody using blender3d? Or can it be used in a thin client environment with 10-15 users. Regards, Edward From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 29 02:02:08 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:02:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to access gmail... In-Reply-To: <46D4CE7F.2050206@paasda.org> References: <32789.192.168.254.3.1188350927.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <46D4CE7F.2050206@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46D4D3A0.40609@paasda.org> Okay...after more fiddle'n... it appears that if I bypass the dansguardian content filter for ONLY the HTTPS proxy....it works... but that is the same port that they can use in the 'manual proxy' for HTTP..and thus is an unsafe solution... squid/dansguardian default FILTERIPADDRESS:3128 anyone have other ideas? --Huck Huck wrote: > Oh...the funny thing is....that https://serverexternalIPaddress:10000/ > (webmin) works fine ;) > > and on the 400 ERROR...it still asked about the certificate. > > --Huck > > Barry Cisna wrote: >> Huck, >> >> On the server itself do a https://localhost >> If you get the certificate thingie alright and get the Apache Page,, >> go to a workstation on your LAN and do a https://serveripaddress and see >> if you can still pull up the Apache web page. This should work pretty >> easily but once you go out beyond your lan,then if Squid is entering into >> it,this could be not proxing the https sites correctly.I know you said >> you >> had squid shut off so this shouldn't be entering into the picture anyway. >> I know by default in you use Squid along with DansGuardian by default DG >> will not allow https sites without backing off a couple things in thde >> Dg.conf file. >> This is a start at least. >> >> Take Care >> >> Barry Cisna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From nils at breun.nl Wed Aug 29 08:51:42 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:51:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] find command In-Reply-To: <69b790a80708281700t71ef77c5gf69b240ab3226107@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80708281451q72d35ec2h59ac0e894244a918@mail.gmail.com> <46D4A2E1.3030405@paasda.org> <69b790a80708281547i44fbe1e7n364219b132e6e4ad@mail.gmail.com> <63DEB4E9-BC3A-4507-A6D1-5B72B27B302A@breun.nl> <69b790a80708281700t71ef77c5gf69b240ab3226107@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Roger wrote: > you answered exactly why I use find. I never would have come up > with that wording, but you put exactly why I use find instead of > locate. Locate is to locate a file, or to see where I squirreled > something away. I use find when I want to get certain files in a > subdirectory and do something with them. > I just recently noticed that find uses the wild card character like > you expect it to, I was just wondering when it changed. I couldn't find that change in the output of 'rpm -q --changelog findutils', but I guess it has been this way for quite some time now. At least I don't remember having to escape wildcards when using find. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> edwardson 8/28/2007 8:42 PM >>> Hi, Anybody using blender3d? Or can it be used in a thin client environment with 10-15 users. Regards, Edward _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 14:03:52 2007 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:03:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] find command In-Reply-To: References: <69b790a80708281451q72d35ec2h59ac0e894244a918@mail.gmail.com> <46D4A2E1.3030405@paasda.org> <69b790a80708281547i44fbe1e7n364219b132e6e4ad@mail.gmail.com> <63DEB4E9-BC3A-4507-A6D1-5B72B27B302A@breun.nl> <69b790a80708281700t71ef77c5gf69b240ab3226107@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80708290703k1eb85b6fr4af6670684dd3ab1@mail.gmail.com> On 8/29/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > > Roger wrote: > > > you answered exactly why I use find. I never would have come up > > with that wording, but you put exactly why I use find instead of > > locate. Locate is to locate a file, or to see where I squirreled > > something away. I use find when I want to get certain files in a > > subdirectory and do something with them. > > I just recently noticed that find uses the wild card character like > > you expect it to, I was just wondering when it changed. > > I couldn't find that change in the output of 'rpm -q --changelog > findutils', but I guess it has been this way for quite some time now. > At least I don't remember having to escape wildcards when using find. I first learned it on solaris, then used it on BSD. Could be linux version you never had to. And to think I could have saved a keystroke all these years.. -- Roger ~~~~//~~~~ low cost web hosting: http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?91357 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Wed Aug 29 14:12:42 2007 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:12:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] find command In-Reply-To: <69b790a80708290703k1eb85b6fr4af6670684dd3ab1@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80708281451q72d35ec2h59ac0e894244a918@mail.gmail.com> <46D4A2E1.3030405@paasda.org> <69b790a80708281547i44fbe1e7n364219b132e6e4ad@mail.gmail.com> <63DEB4E9-BC3A-4507-A6D1-5B72B27B302A@breun.nl> <69b790a80708281700t71ef77c5gf69b240ab3226107@mail.gmail.com> <69b790a80708290703k1eb85b6fr4af6670684dd3ab1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D57EDA.1070202@McQuil.com> Roger wrote: > On 8/29/07, Nils Breunese wrote: >> Roger wrote: >> >>> you answered exactly why I use find. I never would have come up >>> with that wording, but you put exactly why I use find instead of >>> locate. Locate is to locate a file, or to see where I squirreled >>> something away. I use find when I want to get certain files in a >>> subdirectory and do something with them. >>> I just recently noticed that find uses the wild card character like >>> you expect it to, I was just wondering when it changed. >> I couldn't find that change in the output of 'rpm -q --changelog >> findutils', but I guess it has been this way for quite some time now. >> At least I don't remember having to escape wildcards when using find. > > > > I first learned it on solaris, then used it on BSD. Could be linux version > you never had to. And to think I could have saved a keystroke all these > years.. > It's NOT the find command that you have to escape wildcards (Shell metachars) from. It's the shell. The shell processes the command line, expanding metacharacters before passing the result on to the find command. Find never gets a chance to see the metachars, unless, of course, you escape them from the shell with something like \* or single quotes '*'. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 29 15:46:33 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:46:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] https access from LTSP server Message-ID: <46D594D9.9090502@paasda.org> I've traced it down to squid I guess. 1188398369.684 6891 192.168.0.254 TCP_MISS/000 0 CONNECT www.google.com:443 - NONE/- - 1188398555.828 7634 10.1.3.35 TCP_MISS/000 0 CONNECT www.google.com:443 - NONE/- - 1188398576.831 14156 10.1.3.35 TCP_MISS/000 0 CONNECT mail.google.com:443 - NONE/- - that is the output from the squid access.log file on the K12LTSP server I don't really know how to read that except that it is NOT connecting. if I configure the SSL proxy in the browser to 10.1.3.1:3128 I can bypass the content filter...but then all a student has to do is put that in for the normal http proxy as well and gain unfettered access to the web. --Huck From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Wed Aug 29 17:01:28 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:01:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46D5A668.4090600@bio-chemvalve.com> I'm not sure if anybody mentioned it already, but here are a few more potentially useful samba options: create mask directory mask force create mode force directory mode force user force group -Rob Kemp, Levi wrote: > Alright. After changing the smb.conf and adding the profiles section as well as chmod g+s /mnt/M new files created in /mnt/M are owned by Root, group is Root, and read only. I'm sure I'm missing something small here, but sadly I'm still learning permissions in linux. > > Levi Kemp > Technology Specialist > Bolivar R-1 Schools > 417-328-8943 > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Barry Cisna > Sent: Mon 8/27/2007 6:57 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives > > Levi, > > You didn't mention if this was a Samba file server?If it is, do this in > the profiles directive:( at /etc/samba/smb.conf) > > [profiles] > create mask = 0600 > directory mask = 0700 > > > You surely aren't using the evil MS $$ file server?... > Let us know your progress. > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Wed Aug 29 19:30:04 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:30:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives References: <46D5A668.4090600@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I'll try the force user and force group ones. But what how are the create mode and directory mode used? Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Rob Owens Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 12:01 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Network Drives I'm not sure if anybody mentioned it already, but here are a few more potentially useful samba options: create mask directory mask force create mode force directory mode force user force group -Rob Kemp, Levi wrote: > Alright. After changing the smb.conf and adding the profiles section as well as chmod g+s /mnt/M new files created in /mnt/M are owned by Root, group is Root, and read only. I'm sure I'm missing something small here, but sadly I'm still learning permissions in linux. > > Levi Kemp > Technology Specialist > Bolivar R-1 Schools > 417-328-8943 > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Barry Cisna > Sent: Mon 8/27/2007 6:57 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives > > Levi, > > You didn't mention if this was a Samba file server?If it is, do this in > the profiles directive:( at /etc/samba/smb.conf) > > [profiles] > create mask = 0600 > directory mask = 0700 > > > You surely aren't using the evil MS $$ file server?... > Let us know your progress. > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can change the permissions of /mnt/M/ and chmod is g+s, or use the gui to tell it to do the same, but it seems to make no effect. Sorry if I'm not giving enough info still. But I am learning, that's always a plus. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Barry Cisna Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 8:02 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives Levi, Just a thought,,, After you added the profiles section to your smb.conf file, you did do a ' service smb restart' , in a terminal ( for the new samba config to take effect),right ? Next go to one of the users home folder ,and right click on one of their saved files then> Properties,> then Permissions. Post here exactly what permissions are " checked" after a newly added files has been added to their home folder. See what the perms # is such as 600644 or xxxxxxx . Also right click the users home folde and do Properties on it, and make sure the folder is listed as THAT user. This may reveal something. Take Care, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Blender seemed > to load snappily on 5 or 6 of them with all this other stuff running > randomly on them. > > All I can say is if your lab is already up, give it a try and see how it > does. . .It might surprise you. . . > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > >>> edwardson 8/28/2007 8:42 PM >>> > Hi, > > Anybody using blender3d? Or can it be used in a thin client environment > with 10-15 users. > > Regards, > > Edward > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Aug 29 22:25:39 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:25:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <52916.192.168.254.3.1188426339.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Huck For what you are trying to accomplish, try just whitelisting the https: site(S) you are trying to get to,( if you are using DG for filtering)such as: https://www.google.com/accounts/* I'm not sure this will let that https site even come through? I'll have to think on how I setup our DG here to resolve this little delima? Also I'll look back many moons as I posted a how to on how to hard code the proxy for ALL users,in their browser and also makes the entries to add a manual proxy "greyed out". This is something to try. Sorry I cant remember the particulars right now. I'll post up when I remember ASAP! Take Care, Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Aug 29 22:27:07 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:27:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] https access from LTSP server Message-ID: <52939.192.168.254.3.1188426427.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Huck For what you are trying to accomplish, try just whitelisting the https: site(S) you are trying to get to,( if you are using DG for filtering)such as: https://www.google.com/accounts/* I'm not sure this will let that https site even come through? I'll have to think on how I setup our DG here to resolve this little delima? Also I'll look back many moons as I posted a how to on how to hard code the proxy for ALL users,in their browser and also makes the entries to add a manual proxy "greyed out".It's very simple .I'll just have to have a look/see and write down all the gory details. This is something to try. Sorry I cant remember the particulars right now. I'll post up when I remember ASAP! Take Care, Barry Cisna From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 29 22:34:52 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:34:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <52916.192.168.254.3.1188426339.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <52916.192.168.254.3.1188426339.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46D5F48C.3080508@paasda.org> what I ended up doing for a solution was creating an 'autoproxy by URL' file.. say google.pac...and using that as the proxy option. so it happens automatically for "https" sites...and non-https sites still go DIRECT. Thanks, --Huck Barry Cisna wrote: > Huck > > For what you are trying to accomplish, try just whitelisting the https: > site(S) you are trying to get to,( if you are using DG for filtering)such > as: > > https://www.google.com/accounts/* > > I'm not sure this will let that https site even come through? I'll have to > think on how I setup our DG here to resolve this little delima? > Also I'll look back many moons as I posted a how to on how to hard code > the proxy for ALL users,in their browser and also makes the entries to add > a manual proxy "greyed out". > This is something to try. Sorry I cant remember the particulars right now. > I'll post up when I remember ASAP! > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Aug 29 22:34:53 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:34:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] running dhcp on port 1067 on FC5 Message-ID: <40047.192.168.254.3.1188426893.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello List, Has anyone here tried running dhcp on port 1067 on k12ltsp v.5.0? I've had no problems getting this setup since version 1 of k12ltsp but I just upgraded one building server to k12ltsp v5.0 a few days ago, that I need to run dhcp on port 1067 and dhcp appears to start saying "dhcp is bound to port 1067" as it starts, but when i do a portmap, dhcp is actually running on port 67/default. I have the latest dhcp rpm installed on fc5. I 'm wondering if I need to downgrade to the original shipped dhcp rpm that came with fc5? Cant find any Google action on this:(. Take care Barry Cisna From mel at melwade.com Thu Aug 30 03:20:48 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:20:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] gdm Crash Message-ID: <43080f460708292020i7056bee1w13c59d6c082060a@mail.gmail.com> I'm now getting the following log entry upon client login attemp. - - - - - Aug 29 10:12:57 library gdm[3675]: gdm_cleanup_children: child 30114 crashed of signal 11 Aug 29 10:12:57 library gdm[3675]: gdm_cleanup_children: Slave crashed, killing its children - - - - - When a client attempts a login, the client disconects and returns to the login screen.\ Any ideas? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 04:58:44 2007 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Welcome to a new school year and pdf editing... Message-ID: <400819.6135.qm@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> > I've been asked to do a fast seminar for our teachers > on editing pdf docs. > I said "You can't." > They said yes you can like I was on another planet. You were right not so long ago; for a long time it was completely true that "you can't" edit PDF. But it isn't any more. Just in the last couple of years all kinds of tools that directly edit PDF have become available. They read PDF, edit it, and write PDF - no "conversion" to any other format. (Maybe some sort of patent protection expired?) Don't look for conversion tools; look for a native PDF editor. There are several available as shareware and several others through retail channels for Windows -- sorry I don't have the specifics for Linux that would exactly answer your query. Google is your friend. It's still not true that _all_ PDF documents can be edited though. Most PDFs actually contain the text as characters (along with font information, placement information, illustrations, etc.). These can now be edited. But once in a while you'll run across a PDF document that's a giant bitmap of the entire display area including the text; those cannot be fully edited (you can change the layout, but not the text) because the conversion of text to image is realistically a one-way function. Page through the PDF file with something like `less`; if you see recognizable text, it's editable. But if all you see is masses and masses of gobbledygook characters, it's entirely an image and is not reasonably editable. thanks! (I tend in general to agree with the respondent who said [paraphrasing] "why? let's back up; we shouldn't be here in the first place". But maybe your teachers have some special situation.) -Chuck Kollars ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 05:08:53 2007 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] find command Message-ID: <239176.8370.qm@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> > ... if you were in a directory with the contents: > blah one two and you did a find like this: > find . -name *.txt > It would have looked for the three files blah.txt > one.txt and two.txt ... > Now, with the version of redhat I have (AS4), doing > find . -name *.txt > looks through and finds the appropriate *.txt file > like you would expect. I'd strongly recommend NOT relying on the new RedHat behavior. The expansion of '*' is a function of the shell, not of any particular command (including `find`). RedHat somehow kludged the `find` command to work differently. But the (unintuitive in this particular situation) expansion of '*' has been that way for ages and ages in all kinds of versions and distros and across all shells, and any script you write that depends on the new RedHat kludge is almost certain to not be portable. The complaint that the `find` syntax is awkward and hard to use has been around for at least 25 years. Using an entirely different command is probably a good choice. I --being one of the diehards that still use `find` heavily-- ALWAYS put quotes around the arguments to `find`. It's such a strong habit my fingers do it all by themselves. I ALWAYS write things like -Chuck Kollars ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 05:21:26 2007 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] find command Message-ID: <139392.25595.qm@web60825.mail.yahoo.com> My apologies for the incomplete post (this interface interprets some keystrokes in a way I'm not used to). Here's what I intended to send: > ... if you were in a directory with the contents: > blah one two and you did a find like this: > find . -name *.txt > It would have looked for the three files blah.txt > one.txt and two.txt ... > Now, with the version of redhat I have (AS4), doing > find . -name *.txt > looks through and finds the appropriate *.txt file > like you would expect. I'd strongly recommend NOT relying on the new RedHat behavior. The expansion of '*' is a function of the shell, not of any particular command (including `find`). RedHat somehow kludged the `find` command to work differently despite what the shell tries to do. The (unintuitive in this particular situation:-) expansion of '*' has been that way for ages and ages in all kinds of versions and distros and across all shells, and any script you write that depends on the new RedHat kludge is almost certain to not be portable and/or not work right in the future and/or not be Posix compatible. The complaint that the `find` syntax is very awkward and hard to use (even for *nix) has been around for a long time -- it was common lore that I picked up in the early '80s. Using an entirely different command is probably a good choice. I --being one of the diehards that still use `find` heavily-- ALWAYS put quotes around the arguments to `find`. It's such a strong habit my fingers do it all by themselves. I ALWAYS type things like find . -name "*.txt" Besides always working as expected, this will also work with the RedHat "enhancement" without wrecking portability. thanks! -Chuck Kollars ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From monteslu at cox.net Thu Aug 30 14:14:00 2007 From: monteslu at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:14:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp <-> edubuntu Thunderbird profiles. Message-ID: <46D6D0A8.5080608@cox.net> Seems like the .thunderbird profile is different between k12ltsp5 and edubuntu 7.04. Anyone know how to fix the profile for a user that is keeping his old home directory so that it works on edubuntu 7.04? Thanks, Luis From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Aug 30 14:38:17 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:38:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] hp t5525 can't boot Message-ID: <20070830073817.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4ee6050b6d.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Thu Aug 30 14:49:15 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:49:15 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] hp t5525 can't boot In-Reply-To: <20070830073817.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4ee6050b6d.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070830073817.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4ee6050b6d.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I am having problems with HP T5525 booting K12LTSP 6. My HP T5515 > boots just fine. It seems to be hanging around the NIC > configuration and DHCPD. Any ideas? We had problems that were solved by using smaller blocksizes for NFS. The solution was found here: . Are you getting any error message? What do you see before the client hangs? Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Thu Aug 30 17:28:30 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:28:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Need consultant for MySQL and PHP Message-ID: <46D6FE3E.3050006@bio-chemvalve.com> If anybody on the list is interested in doing consulting work using MySQL and PHP, please contact me. I need to move a database off of MS Access and onto MySQL, with a web-based frontend. It's a relatively small database with less than 10 forms associated with it. -Rob From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Thu Aug 30 17:37:37 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:37:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives In-Reply-To: References: <46D5A668.4090600@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <46D70061.6080405@bio-chemvalve.com> create mask = 0777 would create read/write/execute permissions on files for all users. directory mask = 0777 does the same thing for directories. I don't have a lot of knowledge of these options, but I know that they helped me when I needed to ensure that everybody had access to everything in a certain samba share. I'm pretty sure these options only affect the unix permissions, and do nothing for windows permissions. Still, you need the unix permissions to be correct because no matter what the windows/samba permissions say, the unix permissions can still prevent users from accessing or writing a file. My version of samba says that the default is create mask = 744, which would prevent write access by anybody except the owner. -Rob Kemp, Levi wrote: > Thanks, I'll try the force user and force group ones. But what how are the create mode and directory mode used? > > Levi Kemp > Technology Specialist > Bolivar R-1 Schools > 417-328-8943 > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Rob Owens > Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 12:01 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Network Drives > > I'm not sure if anybody mentioned it already, but here are a few more > potentially useful samba options: > > create mask > directory mask > force create mode > force directory mode > force user > force group > > -Rob > > Kemp, Levi wrote: > >> Alright. After changing the smb.conf and adding the profiles section as well as chmod g+s /mnt/M new files created in /mnt/M are owned by Root, group is Root, and read only. I'm sure I'm missing something small here, but sadly I'm still learning permissions in linux. >> >> Levi Kemp >> Technology Specialist >> Bolivar R-1 Schools >> 417-328-8943 >> lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Barry Cisna >> Sent: Mon 8/27/2007 6:57 PM >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: [K12OSN] Network Drives >> >> Levi, >> >> You didn't mention if this was a Samba file server?If it is, do this in >> the profiles directive:( at /etc/samba/smb.conf) >> >> [profiles] >> create mask = 0600 >> directory mask = 0700 >> >> >> You surely aren't using the evil MS $$ file server?... >> Let us know your progress. >> >> Take Care, >> >> Barry Cisna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From matrimble at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 19:35:14 2007 From: matrimble at gmail.com (Mark Trimble) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:35:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Need consultant for MySQL and PHP In-Reply-To: <46D6FE3E.3050006@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <46D6FE3E.3050006@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <17b895960708301235v5f228e16gcd2c93f0a0c2f1d6@mail.gmail.com> Hi Rob, I would be interested in the work, if it's still available. What kind of time frame and pay rate does the job involve? Do you have a particular PHP CMS you'd like to use? Best Regards, Mark Trimble On 8/30/07, Rob Owens wrote: > > If anybody on the list is interested in doing consulting work using > MySQL and PHP, please contact me. I need to move a database off of MS > Access and onto MySQL, with a web-based frontend. It's a relatively > small database with less than 10 forms associated with it. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Aug 30 20:40:59 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:40:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird network issue? Message-ID: <46D6E493.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Hello World! I am having a weird problem. I have two servers running our HS and K8 schools. One was running K12ltsp5 and the other k12ltsp6. everything was running fine last school year. this year has started and i have noticed these issues. randomly some thin clients will boot off the network, but as soon as it starts the X session, all I get is a grey background with an cursor. I notice that when this happens, the network traffic on the thin client is blinking constantly. I will reboot the thin client and sometimes it will com up normally, sometimes it may take 4 or 5 reboots. then once a user logs in and then back out, alot of the time the screen scrambles and the thin clients lock up. i reloaded that server with edubuntu, the problem seems to have gone away. However, now i noticed the k12ltsp6 server is doing the same thing. both of these servers were there own seperate network with the second nic connected to the main network. Does anyone have any ideas? which log files should i look at. i do notice i get alot of errors "ws217.ltsp ypbind[1029]: broadcast: RPC: Timed out." Thanks, Daniel From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Aug 30 20:47:17 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:47:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird network issue? In-Reply-To: <46D6E493.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <46D6E493.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <46D72CD5.20301@cmosnetworks.com> Have there been *any* changes whatsoever in the network infrastructure? Even small ones? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Hello World! > > I am having a weird problem. I have two servers running our HS and K8 > schools. One was running K12ltsp5 and the other k12ltsp6. everything was > running fine last school year. this year has started and i have noticed > these issues. randomly some thin clients will boot off the network, but > as soon as it starts the X session, all I get is a grey background with > an cursor. I notice that when this happens, the network traffic on the > thin client is blinking constantly. I will reboot the thin client and > sometimes it will com up normally, sometimes it may take 4 or 5 reboots. > then once a user logs in and then back out, alot of the time the screen > scrambles and the thin clients lock up. i reloaded that server with > edubuntu, the problem seems to have gone away. However, now i noticed > the k12ltsp6 server is doing the same thing. both of these servers were > there own seperate network with the second nic connected to the main > network. Does anyone have any ideas? which log files should i look at. i > do notice i get alot of errors "ws217.ltsp ypbind[1029]: broadcast: RPC: > Timed out." > Thanks, > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Thu Aug 30 21:08:49 2007 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Weird network issue? In-Reply-To: <46D72CD5.20301@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: probable cause - networks are interconnected and the switches are not set to deal with it. Interconnect by itself is not a tragedy, unless it happens without the net admin knowledge. julius On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, [ISO-8859-1] "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > Have there been *any* changes whatsoever in the network infrastructure? > Even small ones? > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > Hello World! > > > > I am having a weird problem. I have two servers running our HS and K8 > > schools. One was running K12ltsp5 and the other k12ltsp6. everything was > > running fine last school year. this year has started and i have noticed > > these issues. randomly some thin clients will boot off the network, but > > as soon as it starts the X session, all I get is a grey background with > > an cursor. I notice that when this happens, the network traffic on the > > thin client is blinking constantly. I will reboot the thin client and > > sometimes it will com up normally, sometimes it may take 4 or 5 reboots. > > then once a user logs in and then back out, alot of the time the screen > > scrambles and the thin clients lock up. i reloaded that server with > > edubuntu, the problem seems to have gone away. However, now i noticed > > the k12ltsp6 server is doing the same thing. both of these servers were > > there own seperate network with the second nic connected to the main > > network. Does anyone have any ideas? which log files should i look at. i > > do notice i get alot of errors "ws217.ltsp ypbind[1029]: broadcast: RPC: > > Timed out." > > Thanks, > > Daniel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Aug 30 20:58:20 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:58:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird network issue? In-Reply-To: <46D72CD5.20301@cmosnetworks.com> References: <46D6E493.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <46D72CD5.20301@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <46D6E8A3.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> yes. i have added 24 new thing clients to one, and replaced 10 on the other. I just thought it was weird both had the same problem when they were at different locations. >>> "Terrell Prud? Jr." 08/30/07 3:47 PM >>> Have there been *any* changes whatsoever in the network infrastructure? Even small ones? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Hello World! > > I am having a weird problem. I have two servers running our HS and K8 > schools. One was running K12ltsp5 and the other k12ltsp6. everything was > running fine last school year. this year has started and i have noticed > these issues. randomly some thin clients will boot off the network, but > as soon as it starts the X session, all I get is a grey background with > an cursor. I notice that when this happens, the network traffic on the > thin client is blinking constantly. I will reboot the thin client and > sometimes it will com up normally, sometimes it may take 4 or 5 reboots. > then once a user logs in and then back out, alot of the time the screen > scrambles and the thin clients lock up. i reloaded that server with > edubuntu, the problem seems to have gone away. However, now i noticed > the k12ltsp6 server is doing the same thing. both of these servers were > there own seperate network with the second nic connected to the main > network. Does anyone have any ideas? which log files should i look at. i > do notice i get alot of errors "ws217.ltsp ypbind[1029]: broadcast: RPC: > Timed out." > Thanks, > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From karisue at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 21:45:39 2007 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:45:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Google apps Message-ID: GRRRR... I use google apps for our school email. I linked to the google apps page from our website. I got a call today from the pastor (it's a Catholic school) saying there is porn on my website, and please remove it immediately. Turns out, someone clicked on google apps and then on video. There, in the top 10 list, are a bunch of porn sites. The principal said pretty gruffly, "We cannot have this on our site!" It was not on *my* site, of course, but no matter -- in his head, that is St. Mary's site, and it needed to be removed. Ugh ... I wonder if I emailed google if they would take any action so that places of business (esp schools) could still link to google apps w/o having that link. I doubt it, but still. The problem is not student access in the building, but student / parent access from home. They do not want there to be any links to such material from my homepage. Any thoughts? ~kari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From einfeldt at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 22:07:30 2007 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:07:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Google apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b5781040708301507j6a598d1i3b1415c7f29edee4@mail.gmail.com> hi On 8/30/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > GRRRR... I use google apps for our school email. I linked to the google > apps page from our website. I got a call today from the pastor (it's a > Catholic school) saying there is porn on my website, I have not been able to replicate this problem, and I am a volunteer sys admin for a public middle school which uses google apps, and so this is obviously a concern for us. Please give me a URL to the page where the link appears, together with a description as to which link is the offending link. At any rate, you should be using a squid guard / dans guardian box as a proxy server. It will speed up your Internet surfing, and it will block offending pages. You can, of course, tweak it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 30 22:43:07 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:43:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Google apps In-Reply-To: <4b5781040708301507j6a598d1i3b1415c7f29edee4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b5781040708301507j6a598d1i3b1415c7f29edee4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D747FB.7000204@paasda.org> Christian Einfeldt wrote: > > At any rate, you should be using a squid guard / dans guardian box as a > proxy server. It will speed up your Internet surfing, and it will block > offending pages. You can, of course, tweak it. using squidGuard or Dansguardian won't do a thing for a link to google apps on their website...it only prevents stuff from INSIDE their network. honestly...I simply would NOT link to google apps... just take out the '' html tag...and leave the text...so they actually have to copy/paste or type it in themselves... --Huck From einfeldt at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 22:52:28 2007 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:52:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Google apps In-Reply-To: <46D747FB.7000204@paasda.org> References: <4b5781040708301507j6a598d1i3b1415c7f29edee4@mail.gmail.com> <46D747FB.7000204@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4b5781040708301552s33a789fbw3014c092d238287d@mail.gmail.com> hi On 8/30/07, Huck wrote: > > > Christian Einfeldt wrote: > > > > > At any rate, you should be using a squid guard / dans guardian box as a > > proxy server. It will speed up your Internet surfing, and it will block > > offending pages. You can, of course, tweak it. > > > using squidGuard or Dansguardian won't do a thing for a link to google > apps on their website...it only prevents stuff from INSIDE their network. No, unless I am mistaken, which could be the case, a dansguard / squidguard box blocks blacklisted sites from coming up. I did not set up our squidguard / dansguardian, so maybe I am wrong, but I am told by our sys admin who set it up that is our parental control filter. Maybe I misunderstood him. In other words, suppose that a student tried to go to sex.com. A squidguard / dansguardian box would prevent that page from loading, regardless of whether the link was initiated by being typed into a browser window or as a link on another page. At any rate, our students can't go to sex.com, and I have been told that the squid guard / dansguardian proxy server is the device that prevents that from happening. And indeed, if you go to the dansguardian page, you will see that it offers links to blacklists that you can download for your school. http://dansguardian.org/ But as I say, I am just a trained monkey (seriously), meaning that I am a level-one tech support, so maybe I have gotten this whole thing wrong. I have to say that I don't admin the squidguard / dansguardian box, so maybe I am wrong. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thewhitmers at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 23:14:57 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:14:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Google apps In-Reply-To: <4b5781040708301507j6a598d1i3b1415c7f29edee4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b5781040708301507j6a598d1i3b1415c7f29edee4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/30/07, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > > hi > > On 8/30/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > > > > GRRRR... I use google apps for our school email. I linked to the google > > apps page from our website. I got a call today from the pastor (it's a > > Catholic school) saying there is porn on my website, > > > I have not been able to replicate this problem, and I am a volunteer sys > admin for a public middle school which uses google apps, and so this is > obviously a concern for us. Please give me a URL to the page where the link > appears, together with a description as to which link is the offending link. > > Kari, We use Google Apps at out school, too. Just to try to clarify things... * You added a link on your school's web site to the school's Google Apps web page. Would that be start.yourgoogleappsdomain.org? * On your school's Google Apps Start page, is a link to video.google.com(the "Video" link above the Google search box) * On video.google.com, the school's pastor saw that web page's Top 10 list. Was that accurate? If it was, I'm not sure what you could really do about this situation. This would really be no different than someone just going to www.google.com and clicking on that web page's "Video" link. David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland www.calvaryschoolsholland.org thewhitmers at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From einfeldt at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 23:17:36 2007 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:17:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Google apps In-Reply-To: References: <4b5781040708301507j6a598d1i3b1415c7f29edee4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b5781040708301617m6be3efaew11ece84d188c1492@mail.gmail.com> hi On 8/30/07, David Whitmer wrote: > > > * On your school's Google Apps Start page, is a link to video.google.com(the "Video" link above the Google search box) > > * On video.google.com, the school's pastor saw that web page's Top 10 > list. > > Was that accurate? If it was, I'm not sure what you could really do about > this situation. This would really be no different than someone just going > to www.google.com and clicking on that web page's "Video" link. > I think that this must be correct. I can't imagine that Google would have porn on its websites. It might be very racy content, but not porn. It might be PG13, but it most definitely is not x-rated. I'm thinking that there must be some mistake here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12osn at deltacfax.com Thu Aug 30 23:20:02 2007 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:20:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Google apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46D750A2.70101@deltacfax.com> Kari Matthews wrote: > GRRRR... I use google apps for our school email. I linked to the > google apps page from our website. I got a call today from the pastor > (it's a Catholic school) saying there is porn on my website, and > please remove it immediately. Turns out, someone clicked on google > apps and then on video. There, in the top 10 list, are a bunch of > porn sites. The principal said pretty gruffly, "We cannot have this > on our site!" It was not on *my* site, of course, but no matter -- in > his head, that is St. Mary's site, and it needed to be removed. > > Ugh ... I wonder if I emailed google if they would take any action so > that places of business (esp schools) could still link to google apps > w/o having that link. I doubt it, but still. > > The problem is not student access in the building, but student / > parent access from home. They do not want there to be any links to > such material from my homepage. > > Any thoughts? > ~kari > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > Kari - If you prefix your outbound URLs with "http://val.deltacfax.com/smallminds.php?" e.g. you can force them to see a reminder when they leave your site. Ugly, admitedly. Small minds sometimes need these things. It's programatic, so you can script the fix across all your pages or use Apache mod_rewrite. If you have a web server that dishes PHP by all means take this source and customize to your hearts content. This was actually kind of fun. Have a nice holiday folks. -tim -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For a group web publishing directory, I use it like force create mode = 775 force directory mode = 2775 Hope this is helpful to someone, Ben From olle at teknet.ee Fri Aug 31 06:52:00 2007 From: olle at teknet.ee (Olle Niit) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:52:00 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] running dhcp on port 1067 on FC5 In-Reply-To: <40047.192.168.254.3.1188426893.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <40047.192.168.254.3.1188426893.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46D7BA90.2070509@teknet.ee> Modify file /etc/init.d/dhcpd it's looks like this: start() { # Start daemons. echo -n $"Starting $prog: " daemon /usr/sbin/dhcpd ${DHCPDARGS} 2>/dev/null RETVAL=$? echo modify by hand it to this, just add "-p 1067" to the right place. start() { # Start daemons. echo -n $"Starting $prog: " daemon /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 ${DHCPDARGS} 2>/dev/null RETVAL=$? echo But I think /etc/hdcpd.conf is not in use any more. So You must use /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf to specify these parameters. Barry Cisna kirjutas: > Hello List, > > Has anyone here tried running dhcp on port 1067 on k12ltsp v.5.0? I've had > no problems getting this setup since version 1 of k12ltsp but I just > upgraded one building server to k12ltsp v5.0 a few days ago, that I need > to run dhcp on port 1067 and dhcp appears to start saying "dhcp is bound > to port 1067" as it starts, but when i do a portmap, dhcp is actually > running on port 67/default. > I have the latest dhcp rpm installed on fc5. I 'm wondering if I need to > downgrade to the original shipped dhcp rpm that came with fc5? > Cant find any Google action on this:(. > > Take care > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > -- Olle Niit Teknet Arvutid O? tel 53 767 888 olle at teknet.ee From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 09:14:32 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:14:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem completeing unblock request on CNv4 Message-ID: <46D7DBF8.2080007@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> We have recently implemented CNv4 and are having some problems with the unblock requests, mostly when request for HTTPS sites. When the user clicks on the "Request Unblock" the following error is returned Language string failed to load: from_failedcnv4 at portsmouth-college.ac.uk The unblock request works fine for other sites ?? Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org Fri Aug 31 11:34:24 2007 From: willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org (willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:34:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] will this setup work? Message-ID: <20070831043424.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.41583bfe76.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Aug 31 11:40:29 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:40:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] running dhcp on port 1067 on FC5 Message-ID: <38264.216.24.126.67.1188560429.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Ollie, Your "how to" done the trick! Thanks. I've Googled high and low and never found this for dhcp on port 1067. Before I always had to do; ' DHCPORT="1067" ' & ' prog = dhcpd -p $DHCPORT ' ,,,which no longer works... I'm now nmapping fine on port 1067 ,,,:-) Thanks again, Barry Cisna From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Aug 31 14:13:03 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:13:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] will this setup work? In-Reply-To: <20070831043424.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.41583bfe76.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070831043424.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.41583bfe76.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <46D821EF.5000607@cmosnetworks.com> willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org wrote: > Howdy all, Howdy, pardner. > > I swear that at one point I had my network working with the cable > modem connected directly to my k12ltsp server (eth1), then to my 25 > port switch; thin clients boot and internet worked, and Windows > machines plugged into the switch had internet too. > Wait...you're straight to the Internet butt-naked? No firewall or other router in between? God, I hope you've got the Mother of All Packet Filtering Rulesets on eth1! > I have this set up with k12ltsp 6.0, and the thin clients boot/have > internet, but the Machines cannot find the internet. I went with a > pretty basic install of the k12 software. What could be my problem? > Do I have to have a router in there somewhere? > Hmm...in K12LTSP, Eric has that set to getI'd check your iptables settings to see if I have the appropriate MASQ rules in there. Also, see if IP forwarding is turned on in the kernel. For those who aren't familiar with this: to do that, do like I did on my box: [microman at takhisis ~]$ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 1 [microman at takhisis ~]$ The "1" means it's turned on. Note that the config to allow routing through the K12LTSP server is the default (thanks, Eric!). > If I install a wireless router between the cable modem and the k12 > server, will my teachers be able to get wireless to their laptops? > You could do that. And some kind of NAT'ing and packet-filtering router in the path between your cable modem and the K12LTSP server is highly recommended anyway! Of course, if you're using the K12LTSP server as the main file server for the school, like I did (Samba), then you'll need to make sure that your eth1 packet filtering rules get changed to allow the Windows clients to hit Samba. Might just be easier to stick a wireless access point--in straight bridging mode, no Layer 3 stuff--on the thin client subnet (eth0 segment). --TP From mel at melwade.com Fri Aug 31 15:04:05 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:04:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Id "s1" respawning too fast Message-ID: <43080f460708310804n29ab3234hd02a2bf019458268@mail.gmail.com> I keep getting this error in my logs. * * * * * Aug 31 07:50:21 ws217.ltsp init: cannot execute "/bin/startsess" Aug 31 07:50:22 ws217.ltsp last message repeated 9 times Aug 31 07:50:22 ws217.ltsp init: Id "s1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes Aug 31 07:54:06 library last message repeated 4 times Aug 31 07:54:06 library last message repeated 3 times Aug 31 07:55:22 ws217.ltsp init: cannot execute "/bin/startsess" Aug 31 07:55:23 ws217.ltsp last message repeated 9 times Aug 31 07:55:23 ws217.ltsp init: Id "s1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes * * * * * I'm trying to figure out what is causing it and make the correction. Any help would be appreciated. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From jam at mcquil.com Fri Aug 31 15:17:31 2007 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:17:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Id "s1" respawning too fast In-Reply-To: <43080f460708310804n29ab3234hd02a2bf019458268@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708310804n29ab3234hd02a2bf019458268@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D8310B.7050802@McQuil.com> Mel, Show us your lts.conf file. You've got something in one of the SCREEN_xx entries that can't be executed. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Mel Wade wrote: > I keep getting this error in my logs. > * * * * * > Aug 31 07:50:21 ws217.ltsp init: cannot execute "/bin/startsess" > Aug 31 07:50:22 ws217.ltsp last message repeated 9 times > Aug 31 07:50:22 ws217.ltsp init: Id "s1" respawning too fast: disabled > for 5 minutes > Aug 31 07:54:06 library last message repeated 4 times > Aug 31 07:54:06 library last message repeated 3 times > Aug 31 07:55:22 ws217.ltsp init: cannot execute "/bin/startsess" > Aug 31 07:55:23 ws217.ltsp last message repeated 9 times > Aug 31 07:55:23 ws217.ltsp init: Id "s1" respawning too fast: disabled > for 5 minutes > * * * * * > I'm trying to figure out what is causing it and make the correction. > Any help would be appreciated. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 31 15:23:32 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:23:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] will this setup work? In-Reply-To: <46D821EF.5000607@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20070831043424.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.41583bfe76.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <46D821EF.5000607@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <46D83274.9040200@paasda.org> I thought that was the case as well Terrell...until I attempted it 3 weeks ago...apparently SQUID must be running and you must have it configured properly on the LTSP side of the network...if those windows machines are on that 192.168.0.0/24 subnet.. searching out my posts from August you'll find where I documented what needed to be done(not the most detailed...but what I did to get it working) chkconfig --level 345 transparent-proxying on chkconfig --level 345 squid on and then editing the /etc/squid/squid.conf file is the "condensed" version ;) then again my LTSP machine is BEHIND a router/firewall...so I do not have an iptables rules on the LTSP machine. --Huck Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > Hmm...in K12LTSP, Eric has that set to getI'd check your iptables > settings to see if I have the appropriate MASQ rules in there. Also, > see if IP forwarding is turned on in the kernel. For those who aren't > familiar with this: to do that, do like I did on my box: From mel at melwade.com Fri Aug 31 15:57:19 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:57:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Id "s1" respawning too fast In-Reply-To: <46D8310B.7050802@McQuil.com> References: <43080f460708310804n29ab3234hd02a2bf019458268@mail.gmail.com> <46D8310B.7050802@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <43080f460708310857k638d03achadafa453bfeded76@mail.gmail.com> Here is the uncommented section. I've not done any manual editing of this file: [Default] # IP address of the LTSP server SERVER = 192.168.0.254 # LTSP 4.2 now defaults to restricting the video driver to 90% # of the total memory available on the terminal. Setting this # somewhere between 90 and 100 may help terminals with a marginal # mount of memory, but it is probably a better idea to set # USE_NBD_SWAP=Y for such terminals (see examples below) XRAMPERC = 90 # Video drivers for the terminals XSERVER = "auto" # XFree 4 drivers: ati cirrus cyrix fbdev i128 i740 i810 mga # neomagic nv r128 radeon rendition s3 s3virge savage # siliconmotion sis tdfx tga trident tseng vesa vga via X4_MODULE_01 = glx # add the GLX module by default, blender and the like need it ## Uncomment the following line to enable remote monitoring/control of ## terminals, especially if you use fl_teachertool: # X4_MODULE_02 = vnc # Mice drivers for the terminals X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" # Mouse protocols: ExplorerPS/2 GlidePoint GlidePointPS/2 # IMPS/2 IntelliMouse Microsoft MouseManPlusPS/2 # NetMousePS/2 NetScrollPS/2 PS/2 ThinkingMouse # ThinkingMousePS/2 usb X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS = "off" # Keyboards XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)" XkbModel = "pc101" XkbLayout = "us" # Example of setting a different (German) keyboard mapping, # XkbLayout = "de" # also see: # http://www.xfree86.org/current/XKB-Config2.html # http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-3.0-4-en.html#AEN1213 # /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.lst # (/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/) # (/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86) USE_XFS = N LOCAL_APPS = N SCREEN_01 = startx #SCREEN_02 = shell #SCREEN_03 = telnet # TELNET_HOST = 192.168.0.254 #SCREEN_04 = rdesktop # RDP_SERVER = your.2k.server # RDP_OPTIONS = -F -u fred -d ltsp # local storage device (USB keys, cdrom, etc) LOCAL_STORAGE = Y LTSPFSD_OPTIONS="" # uncomment the following line to enable SNMP support #SNMPD = Y # enable sound by default SOUND = Y # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on x86_64) SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" # default sound volume VOLUME = 75 ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" On 8/31/07, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Mel, > > Show us your lts.conf file. > > You've got something in one of the SCREEN_xx entries that can't be executed. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Mel Wade wrote: > > I keep getting this error in my logs. > > * * * * * > > Aug 31 07:50:21 ws217.ltsp init: cannot execute "/bin/startsess" > > Aug 31 07:50:22 ws217.ltsp last message repeated 9 times > > Aug 31 07:50:22 ws217.ltsp init: Id "s1" respawning too fast: disabled > > for 5 minutes > > Aug 31 07:54:06 library last message repeated 4 times > > Aug 31 07:54:06 library last message repeated 3 times > > Aug 31 07:55:22 ws217.ltsp init: cannot execute "/bin/startsess" > > Aug 31 07:55:23 ws217.ltsp last message repeated 9 times > > Aug 31 07:55:23 ws217.ltsp init: Id "s1" respawning too fast: disabled > > for 5 minutes > > * * * * * > > I'm trying to figure out what is causing it and make the correction. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From mel at melwade.com Fri Aug 31 16:16:15 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:16:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] will this setup work? In-Reply-To: <20070831043424.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.41583bfe76.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070831043424.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.41583bfe76.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <43080f460708310916i4f7640fbr54f5cf2052d83ad9@mail.gmail.com> I would agree that you should have a firewall. IPcop is probably the easiest to setup and very good. K12ltsp should work for what you are doing without anything special. Before you get too complicated with your solution, be sure that you have the correct Gateway on eth1 and that your DNS is set to your ISP's DNS servers. Mel On 8/31/07, willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org wrote: > Howdy all, > > I swear that at one point I had my network working with the cable modem > connected directly to my k12ltsp server (eth1), then to my 25 port switch; > thin clients boot and internet worked, and Windows machines plugged into the > switch had internet too. > > I have this set up with k12ltsp 6.0, and the thin clients boot/have > internet, but the Machines cannot find the internet. I went with a pretty > basic install of the k12 software. What could be my problem? Do I have to > have a router in there somewhere? > > If I install a wireless router between the cable modem and the k12 server, > will my teachers be able to get wireless to their laptops? > > Thanks! > Will > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Aug 31 16:26:33 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:26:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] will this setup work? In-Reply-To: <46D83274.9040200@paasda.org> References: <20070831043424.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.41583bfe76.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <46D821EF.5000607@cmosnetworks.com> <46D83274.9040200@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46D84139.6090900@cmosnetworks.com> That's true; I discovered that same principle years ago on a totally misconfigured Windows NT Server network (192.168.0.0/24 on both NIC's!). What made the Windows clients able to Web surf is that they had MS Proxy Server on the NT Server, as well as the MS Proxy Client. What was saving them was that application gateway (the Web proxy). However, Web was all they could get; no FTP, no streaming audio/video, no AIM, etc. If they hadn't also had MS Exchange Server on the NT Server, then email wouldn't have worked, either. Same holds true for Squid on a GNU/Linux box not configured for routing. Matter of fact, it is also, heh heh, a reasonably effective way to keep your users from doing stuff like P2P. :-) --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Huck wrote: > I thought that was the case as well Terrell...until I attempted it 3 > weeks ago...apparently SQUID must be running and you must have it > configured properly on the LTSP side of the network...if those windows > machines are on that 192.168.0.0/24 subnet.. > > searching out my posts from August you'll find where I documented what > needed to be done(not the most detailed...but what I did to get it > working) > > chkconfig --level 345 transparent-proxying on > chkconfig --level 345 squid on > > and then editing the /etc/squid/squid.conf file > > is the "condensed" version ;) > > then again my LTSP machine is BEHIND a router/firewall...so I do not > have an iptables rules on the LTSP machine. > > --Huck > > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > >> Hmm...in K12LTSP, Eric has that set to getI'd check your iptables >> settings to see if I have the appropriate MASQ rules in there. Also, >> see if IP forwarding is turned on in the kernel. For those who aren't >> familiar with this: to do that, do like I did on my box: > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 31 17:40:34 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:40:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] will this setup work? In-Reply-To: <20070831043424.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.41583bfe76.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070831043424.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.41583bfe76.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <46D85292.8000504@futuresource.com> willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org wrote: > Howdy all, > > I swear that at one point I had my network working with the cable modem > connected directly to my k12ltsp server (eth1), then to my 25 port > switch; thin clients boot and internet worked, and Windows machines > plugged into the switch had internet too. > > I have this set up with k12ltsp 6.0, and the thin clients boot/have > internet, but the Machines cannot find the internet. I went with a > pretty basic install of the k12 software. What could be my problem? Do > I have to have a router in there somewhere? On a 2-nic machine, the iptables setup to act as a nat gateway should be in the nat init script included in k12ltsp. service nat start chkconfig nat on (to restart automatically at bootup) > If I install a wireless router between the cable modem and the k12 > server, will my teachers be able to get wireless to their laptops? Yes, but on the 'outside' interface, many of the k12ltsp services will be blocked. Freenx/NX should work with the 'use ssl for everything' option. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com