From steven at simplycircus.com Thu Feb 1 00:16:28 2007 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:16:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Networking a new school for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <200701302318.56015.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: A simple way to think about it is that a ground wire running between buildings is no longer a ground wire - it becomes a second nutral wire, but without that big fuse that protects your building. A ground wire is suposed to be the shortest path to ground. When you go between buildings, it no longer is the shortest path. With any line running between two ground circuts (same building or different buildings, low voltage or high), you need to make sure that your grounds are isolated - that is the box where the wire enters each building is properly grounded to the buildings ground. You also need something that will break the circut (such as a nice breaker...). For low-voltage stuff (like the telephone or cable wires) this is done on the pole outside, or in the box they put on the side of your building. If you run your own, you need a device to do the same thing. They makes boxes to do this for ethernet, but they are not cheep (and they have to be properly grounded). The other tricky thing is sheilding. Data often requiers sheilding for the cables, which makes the whole thing a LOT harder. Consult the NEC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of John Lucas > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:19 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Networking a new school for K12LTSP? > > > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 21:31, Rob Owens wrote: > > To eliminate the ground plane problem, couldn't you > > just run a grounding cable from one building to the > > other (in the > > same conduit as your network wire). This seems to me > > like it would solve the problem, but I'm not 100% sure > > -- and I > > don't know if it is allowed by the electrical code > > (but I don't see why it wouldn't be). > > > > -Rob > > > > Nope. Unless the two locations already share a common ground > plane, you need > to optically isolate them. Connecting two separate grounds will > only ensure > that any electrical potential will travel between locations. I have seen > problems *within the same building* where there has been an addition that > wasn't properly grounded. > > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 00:19:14 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:19:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Networking a new school for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20070126170022.DE46673546@hormel.redhat.com> <45C0EA44.9050106@cmosnetworks.com> <45C0F0DA.4020109@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 1/31/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 1/31/07, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > >> On 1/29/07, Joseph Bishay wrote: > > >>> Hello, > > >>> > > >>> I hope you are doing well. > > >>> > > >>> Thank you all for the comprehensive reply! > > >>> > > >>> Once I started reading your email, I realized that probably the best > > >>> way to proceed was to work with the idea of NIC Bonding or port > > >>> trunking. I have a surplus of Gigabit cards so I could put 3 in a > > >>> server (reading online I found that more than 3 wasn't going to give > > >>> enough of an improvement due to the PCI bus limitations -- can anyone > > >>> validate this?) and then send all 3 of those to the switch. I could > > >>> then bond 3 ports from that switch to the next one (we'll probably > > >>> have 2 x48 gigabit switches for the whole building -- still counting > > >>> the number of ports/computers required) so as to deal with the > > >>> bandwidth. The cost of some of those fiber <-> copper converts look > > >>> rather daunting. > > >>> > > >>> I would VERY MUCH prefer to use only 1 server for the entire building > > >>> -- I am still very much a novice at this and the complexities of > > >>> setting up multiple servers or splitting into application & /home with > > >>> LAPD sounds rather daunting. > > >>> > > >> If your still set on one server also have a look at this > > >> http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:Subnetting > > >> Instead of port trunking I think this would be a better idea. > > >> Especially if you are going to have 2 48 port switches that could be > > >> on different gigabit linked subnets. > > > > > > Hmm...I hadn't thought of that particular application myself--addressing > > > bandwidth bottlenecks--but you're right, that sure would do it! That > > > never even occurred to me...thanks! > > > > > > --TP > > I recall reading somewhere that three gigabit cards is probably the max that the PCI bus > > can handle. Can anyone confirm or deny this? > > No. A gigabit card is 1 Gibabit/s (that's 1 billion bits per second). > Each byte is 8 bits. So it maxs out at 125MB/s. A simple PCI bus can > handle 133MB/s max. So 1 gigabit ethernet card can saturate a PCI bus Correction: PCI 2.2 spec is 32 bits at 66Mhz which equals 266MB/s. So 2 gigabit nics should be able to saturate it. The original PCI bus was 32bits at 33Mhz which is 133MB/s. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 00:38:15 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:38:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Networking a new school for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <45C0EA44.9050106@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20070126170022.DE46673546@hormel.redhat.com> <45C0EA44.9050106@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: > > If your still set on one server also have a look at this > > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:Subnetting > > Instead of port trunking I think this would be a better idea. > > Especially if you are going to have 2 48 port switches that could be > > on different gigabit linked subnets. > > Hmm...I hadn't thought of that particular application myself--addressing > bandwidth bottlenecks--but you're right, that sure would do it! That > never even occurred to me...thanks! I actually have not done this yet but it seems to be a better method than trunking ports. Wondering if anyone (who has done this) would share their dhcpd.conf file on the list or the wiki as the instructions on the wiki for subnetting are hard to follow exactly without an example. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ahodson at elp.rr.com Thu Feb 1 03:29:03 2007 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:29:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TCEA Conference in Austin (Feb 5-9) Message-ID: <1170300544.3516.22.camel@HodsonNet1> Hi folks How many of the list members are going to be at TCEA? I've recognized a few of the presenter names, but perhaps we can have an informal session somewhere. I present Thursday from 10-10:45 in Rm 16A, but other than that I am free to meet and if nothing more, exchange K12LTSP war stories. Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Feb 1 05:21:59 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:21:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Public Proxy server needed or advice Message-ID: This is essentially a Windows question brought on by some cool stuff I did in Linux ;-) Yesterday I upgraded my SME/DansGuardian server. I ended up with a tighter system then I had previously. I am doing PAM authentication so that when a user wants to use the Internet they must authenticate with their web browser (clicking on any browser pops up a login screen) before surfing. This helps track activity, but has the added benefit of allowing me to filter by groups and also give the staff the ability to bypass the filter when they run into a blocked site. Before the upgrade....if you had browser settings....you had to authenticate.....if you did not have browser settings....then you were transparently proxied and thus filtered at the default (and much harsher) level. Now....if you have browser settings....fine....if not...you ain't going nowhere! Ports 80 and 3128 are blocked....only 8080 is allowed for DG. Now....my problem is this..... Due to the fact that I have to authenticate to the proxy before I can access the outside world, this poses a problem for things like Windows Update. Many programs allow me to enter a proxy and the username/password. AVG does a great job with this. It'll try the proxy first and then try direct. Windows Update depends on the proxy settings in Internet Explorer. Unfortunately there is no way (that I can find) to embed the username and password in the Connection Settings. To make life easier I have written a proxy.pac file to auto-configure the proxy for IE and firefox, but alas I am unable to find a way to authenticate IE so that Windows Defender and windows update will work properly. I'm basically trying to get some staff laptops squared away with this. The desktops are fine....and everything else is either Linux or OS X....and thus easier to work with in this regard. My only other hope at this point is to use an outside Proxy server on port 8080 (or other non-standard port) just for IE (which we never use as a browser) IE is only enabled on these particular staff laptops....otherwise we use Firefox and Safari all around. I either need a good solid external proxy server (preferably on port 8080) or some advice on how to either rewrite my proxy.pac file so that I can embed the username and password....or some other Windows magic. Any ideas? My proxy.pac file is below: function FindProxyForURL(url, host) { if (isInNet(myIpAddress(), "10.0.0.0", "255.255.240.0")) return "PROXY 10.0.0.1:8080"; else return "DIRECT"; } (this file basically tests to see if it is on my LAN and if so...use the proxy....otherwise (if at home or whatever) use a direct connection) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Feb 1 05:29:28 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:29:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Networking a new school for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20070126170022.DE46673546@hormel.redhat.com> <45C0EA44.9050106@cmosnetworks.com> <45C0F0DA.4020109@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45C17AB8.5080500@cmosnetworks.com> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 1/31/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On 1/31/07, Petre Scheie wrote: >> > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> > >> On 1/29/07, Joseph Bishay wrote: >> > >>> Hello, >> > >>> >> > >>> I hope you are doing well. >> > >>> >> > >>> Thank you all for the comprehensive reply! >> > >>> >> > >>> Once I started reading your email, I realized that probably the >> best >> > >>> way to proceed was to work with the idea of NIC Bonding or port >> > >>> trunking. I have a surplus of Gigabit cards so I could put 3 in a >> > >>> server (reading online I found that more than 3 wasn't going to >> give >> > >>> enough of an improvement due to the PCI bus limitations -- can >> anyone >> > >>> validate this?) and then send all 3 of those to the switch. I >> could >> > >>> then bond 3 ports from that switch to the next one (we'll probably >> > >>> have 2 x48 gigabit switches for the whole building -- still >> counting >> > >>> the number of ports/computers required) so as to deal with the >> > >>> bandwidth. The cost of some of those fiber <-> copper converts >> look >> > >>> rather daunting. >> > >>> >> > >>> I would VERY MUCH prefer to use only 1 server for the entire >> building >> > >>> -- I am still very much a novice at this and the complexities of >> > >>> setting up multiple servers or splitting into application & >> /home with >> > >>> LAPD sounds rather daunting. >> > >>> >> > >> If your still set on one server also have a look at this >> > >> http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:Subnetting >> > >> Instead of port trunking I think this would be a better idea. >> > >> Especially if you are going to have 2 48 port switches that >> could be >> > >> on different gigabit linked subnets. >> > > >> > > Hmm...I hadn't thought of that particular application >> myself--addressing >> > > bandwidth bottlenecks--but you're right, that sure would do it! >> That >> > > never even occurred to me...thanks! >> > > >> > > --TP >> > I recall reading somewhere that three gigabit cards is probably the >> max that the PCI bus >> > can handle. Can anyone confirm or deny this? >> >> No. A gigabit card is 1 Gibabit/s (that's 1 billion bits per second). >> Each byte is 8 bits. So it maxs out at 125MB/s. A simple PCI bus can >> handle 133MB/s max. So 1 gigabit ethernet card can saturate a PCI bus > > Correction: > PCI 2.2 spec is 32 bits at 66Mhz which equals 266MB/s. So 2 gigabit > nics should be able to saturate it. The original PCI bus was 32bits at > 33Mhz which is 133MB/s. > True, but if your PCI bus is 64-bits at 66MHz (i. e. PCI-X), then you're fine, as you then have 532MB/s. I've always been sure to buy 64-bit, 66MHz NIC's for this reason. Same with RAID cards; PCI-X whenever possible. --TP From robark at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 05:34:21 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:34:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Networking a new school for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20070126170022.DE46673546@hormel.redhat.com> <45C0EA44.9050106@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 1/31/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > If your still set on one server also have a look at this > > > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:Subnetting > > > Instead of port trunking I think this would be a better idea. > > > Especially if you are going to have 2 48 port switches that could be > > > on different gigabit linked subnets. > > > > Hmm...I hadn't thought of that particular application myself--addressing > > bandwidth bottlenecks--but you're right, that sure would do it! That > > never even occurred to me...thanks! > > I actually have not done this yet but it seems to be a better method > than trunking ports. Wondering if anyone (who has done this) would > share their dhcpd.conf file on the list or the wiki as the > instructions on the wiki for subnetting are hard to follow exactly > without an example. Never mind. I saw the thread Michael Blinn started on Jan 10. (Two Subnets) Funny Terrell that you were the one who posted the initial solution and now you have discovered another use for your own idea. This is a cool list. Wondering as servers get bigger and more powerful if this setup should be included in k12ltsp future releases as a pre-configured script so people can just pop in another nic and run the script. Instant subnets on different switches therebye doubling bandwidth to clients. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From micha at arava.co.il Thu Feb 1 08:08:46 2007 From: micha at arava.co.il (Micha Silver) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:08:46 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Removing the "Floppy" desktop icon In-Reply-To: <45C0EF84.7030901@maltzen.net> References: <45C0E5E6.4090807@arava.co.il> <45C0EF84.7030901@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45C1A00E.8050503@arava.co.il> Petre Scheie wrote: > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Disabling_local_device_access_fo > > > Ah ha! Perfect, thanks, Micha From thewhitmers at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 13:03:33 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:03:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Public Proxy server needed or advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/1/07, David Trask wrote: > This is essentially a Windows question brought on by some cool stuff I did > in Linux ;-) Yesterday I upgraded my SME/DansGuardian server. I ended > up with a tighter system then I had previously. I am doing PAM > authentication so that when a user wants to use the Internet they must > authenticate with their web browser (clicking on any browser pops up a > login screen) before surfing. This helps track activity, but has the > added benefit of allowing me to filter by groups and also give the staff > the ability to bypass the filter when they run into a blocked site. > Before the upgrade....if you had browser settings....you had to > authenticate.....if you did not have browser settings....then you were > transparently proxied and thus filtered at the default (and much harsher) > level. Now....if you have browser settings....fine....if not...you ain't > going nowhere! Ports 80 and 3128 are blocked....only 8080 is allowed for > DG. Now....my problem is this..... > > Due to the fact that I have to authenticate to the proxy before I can > access the outside world, this poses a problem for things like Windows > Update. Many programs allow me to enter a proxy and the > username/password. AVG does a great job with this. It'll try the proxy > first and then try direct. Windows Update depends on the proxy settings > in Internet Explorer. Unfortunately there is no way (that I can find) to > embed the username and password in the Connection Settings. To make life > easier I have written a proxy.pac file to auto-configure the proxy for IE > and firefox, but alas I am unable to find a way to authenticate IE so that > Windows Defender and windows update will work properly. I'm basically > trying to get some staff laptops squared away with this. The desktops are > fine....and everything else is either Linux or OS X....and thus easier to > work with in this regard. My only other hope at this point is to use an > outside Proxy server on port 8080 (or other non-standard port) just for IE > (which we never use as a browser) IE is only enabled on these particular > staff laptops....otherwise we use Firefox and Safari all around. I > either need a good solid external proxy server (preferably on port 8080) > or some advice on how to either rewrite my proxy.pac file so that I can > embed the username and password....or some other Windows magic. Any ideas? > > My proxy.pac file is below: > > function FindProxyForURL(url, host) > { > if (isInNet(myIpAddress(), "10.0.0.0", "255.255.240.0")) > return "PROXY 10.0.0.1:8080"; > else > return "DIRECT"; > } > > > (this file basically tests to see if it is on my LAN and if so...use the > proxy....otherwise (if at home or whatever) use a direct connection) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > David, This doesn't answer your question about public proxies, but may help you nonetheless. Our school ran into a similar problem with Windows Update on all our Windows XP computers when we implemented CensorNet a few years ago. (It uses Dansguardian and Squid, and I think.) The solution that worked for us was two-part: 1) add ".microsoft.com" and ".windowsupdate.com" to CensorNet's list of authentication exceptions 2) instruct Windows Update to use Internet Explorer's proxy settings. To do this: - open a command window (Start | Run | cmd) - enter the following: proxycfg -u Step one removed the need to supply a username & password when running Windows Update, though going through our proxy server (port 8080) was still required. Step two sets the default proxy settings in Windows by copying those settings from the current user's Internet Explorer setup. (We have the proxy IP address and port entered directly in IE settings rather than using proxy.pac.) Windows Update uses the default proxy settings rather than those for any specific user, as I understand it. I'm not sure how exactly you could implement step one in your specific setup, though I assume its possible. (I've only ever worked with Dansguardian as part of CensorNet and not in any other context.) David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: the.whitmers at gmail.com From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Feb 1 15:42:13 2007 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:42:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: multi-server/single source authenticaton Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420D896AF@hhpmail.media.local> John, I've been using single source authentication via Active Directory. There has been developments with Winbind (I think it is included with the most recent versions), that you can enable a module and it will map the AD SIDS to UNIX ids consistently, so you'll have the same UID number across multiple systems. Now I do it via LDAP and Microsoft Services for Unix. It is a little more to configure per user, however I can specify different home paths for users.. .ie: I keep students in /home/students and faculty in /home/faculty. You can't do that with Winbind, but then again, Winbind is a lot less work. I've just finally got LDAP failover working with my DCs. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:40:29 -0800 From: "john " Subject: multi-server/single source authenticaton was Re: [K12OSN] Networking a new school for K12LTSP? To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: <2be970b50701301440t630ed022w945070e20f3ce10d at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This has been an interesting thread. It makes me want to raise my own question. Is it possible to do multi-server/single source authenticaton using Active Directory rather than LDAP? Right now, we're not able to drop active directory for students, but will probably need to add servers as our LTSP experiment moves forward. The sticking point has been the way winbind/samba creates and maps unix passwords to windows passwords. Essentially each installation of Linux that uses Active Directory for authenticaton ends up with their own local user/pass db that makes centralized NFS homes semi-impossible. Has anyone figured out how to scale Linux and AD? John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hartt at glenburn.net Thu Feb 1 15:43:56 2007 From: hartt at glenburn.net (Tim Hart) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:43:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Really a networking issue but... Message-ID: I know this is really a networking issue but thought that someone may be able to help. I have a couple of portable classrooms that are very far away from the server room. They are connected by half duplex fiber. They are running K12LTSP 5 and have worked fine the entire year. I took two days off to attend a conference and come back to none of the machines out in the portables work. Nothing has changed on the network. I tried changing out the switch. I get an ip address from the server when I plug in my laptop and can surf the web. The ping times to the server, however, are all over the place. Some are under a ms and some are up towards 1000ms. It really is all over the place. The result is clients that boot very slowly. When they try to connect to the NFS server it chokes and won't go any further, reporting that it is waiting for the NFS server. Anyone have any ideas? Things to try? Thanks to everyone out there. Tim From steven at simplycircus.com Thu Feb 1 16:02:39 2007 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:02:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Really a networking issue but... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Take it in steps, starting at the modulars and working your way out to the server. Disconnect the terminals from the wan, and connect to a laptop running Knoppix/LTSP. Do the clients boot ok? Next try plugging the WAN back in at the modular end, and going to the building end. Plug the Knoppix laptop in to the other end of the fiber. Do the terminals boot? If the terminals do boot, keep moving back along your network until you find where it stops functioning. When you discover where it stops working, thats where your issue is. Are the fiber units fried, or perhaps not properly plugged in? If you can tell us where it stops, we can then help you figure out what steps to take next. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Tim Hart > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:44 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Really a networking issue but... > > > I know this is really a networking issue but thought that someone may be > able to help. > > I have a couple of portable classrooms that are very far away from the > server room. They are connected by half duplex fiber. They are running > K12LTSP 5 and have worked fine the entire year. I took two days off to > attend a conference and come back to none of the machines out in the > portables work. > > Nothing has changed on the network. > > I tried changing out the switch. > > I get an ip address from the server when I plug in my laptop and can surf > the web. The ping times to the server, however, are all over the place. > Some are under a ms and some are up towards 1000ms. It really is all over > the place. > > The result is clients that boot very slowly. When they try to connect to > the NFS server it chokes and won't go any further, reporting that it is > waiting for the NFS server. > > Anyone have any ideas? Things to try? > > Thanks to everyone out there. > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mel at melwade.com Thu Feb 1 16:23:58 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:23:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] CensorNet - WAS:Public Proxy server needed or advice Message-ID: <43080f460702010823v22656becke07a1e067cd860bd@mail.gmail.com> Does CensorNet and/or Dansgaurdian do packet level filtering? I'm looking for a solution that will automatically block any circumventors and atomozier sites... -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 16:41:36 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:41:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CensorNet - WAS:Public Proxy server needed or advice In-Reply-To: <43080f460702010823v22656becke07a1e067cd860bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460702010823v22656becke07a1e067cd860bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200702011241.36219.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Thursday 01 February 2007 12:23, Mel Wade wrote: > Does CensorNet and/or Dansgaurdian do packet level filtering? I'm looking > for a solution that will automatically block any circumventors and > atomozier sites... > That would normally be the role of a firewall, not a web content filter. I know nothing about Censornet, Dansgaurdian and others plug into the Squid web proxy. If your web filter were installed *in* a firewall both packet filtering and web filtering could be configured and handled in one "place", but not with the same application. IPCop has several web content filter addons (Dansguardian and URLFilter) and one addon called "Blockouttraffic" that can set up the IPTables to restrict any and all traffic you want to block. IPCop's proxy (Squid) can be used "tansparently" so that it can't be bypassed. There are other addons too. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 16:53:38 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:53:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless and home directories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200702011253.39070.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Wednesday 31 January 2007 09:04, Randall Swift wrote: > I am using a ldap/samba server as my authentication server and I would > like to know how a wireless laptop can connect to their home directory > after login (they log in with a cached account). Is there a script that > can run after the wireless connects so they will have their home > directory? > I assume that the laptops are running Windows, if so then a script that said something like: net use h: \\smbhost\home\%USER% Would connect map drive "h:" to their home directory. There may be more elegant scripts that could be used, and the above assumes that all users have the same loginid and password on the laptop and in Samba. There are other options to the "net use" command to tweak your setup. From your question I assume the laptops are *not* performing a domain login (which should map the home drive already) and that there is no firewall on the wireless net blocking the NetBIOS ports used by Windows net traffic. I do hope you aren't using an "open" wifi net. If all that is needed is access to the content of the home directory, you could use something like "CoreFTP" which is a GUI FTP client that also uses "sftp", which is a subsystem of SSH. This would allow you to keep the NetBIOS ports "closed" (only need tcp port 22 open) and provide encryption of the session. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From cwerks at yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 17:20:36 2007 From: cwerks at yahoo.com (James Huffman) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:20:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] CUPS printing Question Message-ID: <789207.70856.qm@web35214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> First off I would like to thank all who helped with my last problem (Software for grade books and administration)That really helped us out a lot. Ok, now for my next (hopefully simple) problem. We are using CUPS for printing and all is going well. We just added a second printer to our network and have that as default. The problem is this: **Some** of the students default to the wrong paper size and freeze the queue. I change the paper size on there computer but it keeps going back when they log off and back on again. Any help (or direction to a good how to)would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Jim Huffman From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Feb 1 20:03:51 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:03:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT- wine and user accounts Message-ID: <20070201130350.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2b0f055eca.wbe@email.secureserver.net> We are running WINE on our K12LTSP server so that we can serve up some applications that only run on Windows. When I install an application, it only shows up for the user account where the installation took place. Is there a way to install an application under WINE that will show up for all users? Sincerely, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 rmcdaniel at indata.us From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 1 21:48:36 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:48:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP in use Video? Message-ID: <20070201213559.M27678@winonacotter.org> We are starting to plan for NCLS again this year (www.nclinux.net). A tool that I think would be excellent would be a usage video. I am talking about an approximately 20 minute video that briefly shows a decent size lab being used by actual students during an actual class, has a quick interview with a teacher or two that states what applications they use with their class and their goals with that program, and a quick interview with someone in administration commenting on how they feel FOSS has helped to improve technology/accessibility in their school. I don't think this should be technical at all. I think even if done fairly unprofessional this could be a great tool for us and others to use during presentations. The people this would be geared towards won't really care how things work, just that they do work. Maybe a quick blurp from a Tech Admin but making sure it only focused on time saved via central management. I don't think low cost should be a driving focus either. I don't really have the talents personally to put something like this together, or a real good environment for interviewees. But if anyone would be willing to take such a task under their wing, I and I am sure the community at large, would greatly appreciate it. I would place the result in an easy to reach location so that it can be downloaded by anyone who would need such a presentation. And of course if anyone knows of such a video that already exists, please point me in the right direction. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Feb 1 22:56:12 2007 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:56:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP in use Video? In-Reply-To: <20070201213559.M27678@winonacotter.org> References: <20070201213559.M27678@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <3196.76.179.82.249.1170370572.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> we took video of the old nubus mac lab at work..lemm see if i can find where it is.. > We are starting to plan for NCLS again this year (www.nclinux.net). A > tool > that I think would be excellent would be a usage video. I am talking > about an > approximately 20 minute video that briefly shows a decent size lab being > used > by actual students during an actual class, has a quick interview with a > teacher or two that states what applications they use with their class and > their goals with that program, and a quick interview with someone in > administration commenting on how they feel FOSS has helped to improve > technology/accessibility in their school. > > I don't think this should be technical at all. I think even if done > fairly > unprofessional this could be a great tool for us and others to use during > presentations. The people this would be geared towards won't really care > how > things work, just that they do work. Maybe a quick blurp from a Tech > Admin > but making sure it only focused on time saved via central management. I > don't > think low cost should be a driving focus either. > > I don't really have the talents personally to put something like this > together, or a real good environment for interviewees. But if anyone > would be > willing to take such a task under their wing, I and I am sure the > community at > large, would greatly appreciate it. I would place the result in an easy > to > reach location so that it can be downloaded by anyone who would need such > a > presentation. > > And of course if anyone knows of such a video that already exists, please > point me in the right direction. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 22:53:36 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:53:36 -0800 Subject: multi-server/single source authenticaton was Re: [K12OSN] Networking a new school for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <200701302041.30285.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <2be970b50701301440t630ed022w945070e20f3ce10d@mail.gmail.com> <200701302041.30285.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50702011453kc88ca26qf506ffcab7c55d82@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for your thoughts, John. I'll look for that book. I'd prefer to go all LDAP, but currently I haven't gotten the Ok to do that, primarly because it's not obvious how we would get Windows machines to authenticate via LDAP. John On 1/30/07, John Lucas wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 18:40, john wrote: > > This has been an interesting thread. It makes me want to raise my own > > question. > > > > Is it possible to do multi-server/single source authenticaton using > Active > > Directory rather than LDAP? Right now, we're not able to drop active > > directory for students, but will probably need to add servers as our > LTSP > > experiment moves forward. The sticking point has been the way > winbind/samba > > creates and maps unix passwords to windows passwords. Essentially each > > installation of Linux that uses Active Directory for authenticaton ends > up > > with their own local user/pass db that makes centralized NFS homes > > semi-impossible. Has anyone figured out how to scale Linux and AD? > > > > John > > > > First a caveat: I have not (yet) tried to use AD for Linux authentication, > but > I have looked into it somewhat. Since AD is primarily LDAP and Kerberos, > it > should be possible, and chapter 9 of "LDAP System Administration" by > Gerald > Carter (published by O'Reilly) has a pretty good step by step description > of > how to go about it. You will need administrative rights to the Windows > server, since there will be some additional configuration required. > > BTW anyone using LDAP should be interested in the above mentioned book, it > is > a very good practical guide for many uses of LDAP. Highly recommended. > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/| > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) > | > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 22:57:42 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:57:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: multi-server/single source authenticaton In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420D896AF@hhpmail.media.local> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420D896AF@hhpmail.media.local> Message-ID: <2be970b50702011457v39799ad2o2df41caadec8f874@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Henry, AUGUST 21, 2006Do you have any idea what version of Winbind/Samba does that, or where I could find documentation about that? Currently I am running Samba 3.0.22-1ubuntu3.1 and I am not aware of that module. I appreciate your help! John On 2/1/07, Burroughs, Henry wrote: > > John, > > > > I've been using single source authentication via Active Directory. There > has been developments with Winbind (I think it is included with the most > recent versions), that you can enable a module and it will map the AD SIDS > to UNIX ids consistently, so you'll have the same UID number across multiple > systems. Now I do it via LDAP and Microsoft Services for Unix. It is a > little more to configure per user, however I can specify different home > paths for users.. .ie: I keep students in /home/students and faculty in > /home/faculty. You can't do that with Winbind, but then again, Winbind is a > lot less work. I've just finally got LDAP failover working with my DCs. > > > > Henry Burroughs > > Technology Director > > Hilton Head Preparatory School > > www.hhprep.org > > > > > > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:40:29 -0800 > > From: "john " > > Subject: multi-server/single source authenticaton was Re: [K12OSN] > > Networking a new school for K12LTSP? > > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > > Message-ID: > > <2be970b50701301440t630ed022w945070e20f3ce10d at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > This has been an interesting thread. It makes me want to raise my own > > question. > > > > Is it possible to do multi-server/single source authenticaton using Active > > Directory rather than LDAP? Right now, we're not able to drop active > > directory for students, but will probably need to add servers as our LTSP > > experiment moves forward. The sticking point has been the way > winbind/samba > > creates and maps unix passwords to windows passwords. Essentially each > > installation of Linux that uses Active Directory for authenticaton ends up > > with their own local user/pass db that makes centralized NFS homes > > semi-impossible. Has anyone figured out how to scale Linux and AD? > > > > John > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 1 23:42:23 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:42:23 -0600 Subject: multi-server/single source authenticaton was Re: [K12OSN] Networking a new school for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50702011453kc88ca26qf506ffcab7c55d82@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50701301440t630ed022w945070e20f3ce10d@mail.gmail.com> <200701302041.30285.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <2be970b50702011453kc88ca26qf506ffcab7c55d82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C27ADF.80603@futuresource.com> john wrote: > Thanks for your thoughts, John. I'll look for that book. I'd prefer to > go all LDAP, but currently I haven't gotten the Ok to do that, primarly > because it's not obvious how we would get Windows machines to > authenticate via LDAP. Windows machines can authenticate against a samba domain, which in turn stores its user/password database in LDAP. You've probably seen that scenario called samba/ldap here. The opposite approach is also possible. You can use smb authentication on the Linux side against a windows domain. This isn't quite as slick as winbindd because you have to create the linux accounts yourself but it avoids the problems of getting random uids and you don't have to manage a separate password. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Feb 2 02:05:46 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 20:05:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT- wine and user accounts Message-ID: <36579.192.168.254.3.1170381946.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Ron, I never could figure out how to install Windows Apps through Wine,to show up system wide. With Crossover Office Pro you can do just that. Its not very costly,cant remember the cost now for Xover Office ? It gives you the option to install the app for one user only, or system wide. You may want to check into this. I dont think Ive run across an app that wouldnt install correctly with Xover Office. I wanted to just use Wine myself but run into the very hangup you are running into making the apps system wide,,rather than per user. Crossover Office actually installs the apps in the opt directory rather than the users home folder,I think is how it works around the "only per user" install. It creates a Start Menu entry "Windows Applications, with whatever sub directories of the Apps you install via Xover Office. BTW: You can have both Xover Office and Wine installed as well. Just an FYI. I'm guessing someone on the list here can post a cludge on how to make "all users" see an app installed via Wine,maybe? This doesnt help much, I know:).. Barry Cisna westcentral school From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Feb 2 03:20:20 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:20:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT- wine and user accounts Message-ID: <20070201202020.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.76450ba2c4.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Thanks Barry. I came across a little information on getting this to work on the Wine site: http://www.winehq.com/site/docs/wineusr-guide/using-regedit I will give this a shot tomorrow and see if this does the job. I am a little hard headed at times, will probably end up with Xover Office before it's said and done. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] OT- wine and user accounts > From: Barry Cisna > Date: Thu, February 01, 2007 8:05 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Hi Ron, > > I never could figure out how to install Windows Apps through Wine,to show > up system wide. With Crossover Office Pro you can do just that. Its not > very costly,cant remember the cost now for Xover Office ? It gives you > the option to install the app for one user only, or system wide. You may > want to check into this. I dont think Ive run across an app that wouldnt > install correctly with Xover Office. I wanted to just use Wine myself but > run into the very hangup you are running into making the apps system > wide,,rather than per user. Crossover Office actually installs the apps > in the opt directory rather than the users home folder,I think is how it > works around the "only per user" install. It creates a Start Menu entry > "Windows Applications, with whatever sub directories of the Apps you > install via Xover Office. > BTW: You can have both Xover Office and Wine installed as well. Just an FYI. > I'm guessing someone on the list here can post a cludge on how to make > "all users" see an app installed via Wine,maybe? > This doesnt help much, I know:).. > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Feb 2 08:23:46 2007 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:23:46 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT- wine and user accounts In-Reply-To: <20070201130350.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2b0f055eca.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070201130350.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2b0f055eca.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <200702020823.46573.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 01 February 2007 20:03, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > We are running WINE on our K12LTSP server so that we can serve up some > applications that only run on Windows. When I install an application, > it only shows up for the user account where the installation took > place. Is there a way to install an application under WINE that will > show up for all users? We achieve this by cheating. On NFS we have a directory student_wine. Each user has a symbolic link .wine in their home dir which points to the student_wine dir. Any apps show up for any user, eg to run one application, the KDE menu item contains Exec=wine /home/MAUD/ooo/student_wine/drive_c/Program\\ Files/Focus-ES/KS3Physics/KS3P.exe -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 2 14:13:51 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:13:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP in use Video? In-Reply-To: <3196.76.179.82.249.1170370572.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <20070201213559.M27678@winonacotter.org> <3196.76.179.82.249.1170370572.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <20070202141244.M13245@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:56:12 -0500 (EST), cliebow wrote > we took video of the old nubus mac lab at work..lemm see if i can > find where it is.. Thanks Chuck. Ideally it would be great to have video of a newer lab environment utilizing the newest features such as USB sticks and such. But every little bit will help. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 2 14:20:56 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:20:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 2-server setup In-Reply-To: References: <1170125912.10277.16.camel@200-8143-202-01.Jefferson.ketsds.net> <774593a20701291912q43ea2068qcebd48f26b209187@mail.gmail.com> <1170127614.10277.26.camel@200-8143-202-01.Jefferson.ketsds.net> <8EBB5E77-305E-4EC0-9427-787366F8CB8F@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <20070202141557.M5003@winonacotter.org> > > I now have a spare 1.2GHZ AMD computer. Would it be worth putting an > > SATA2 raid card into that and hosting /home and LDAP there? How good > > it SATA2 with NCQ? Or is it absolutely essential to go for (way more > > expensive) SCSI hard drives? You know, that is one of the coolest things I like about how the linux filesystem and mounting works. If you find that the SATA2 is too slow, it is so simple to upgrade in the future. If you get to the point that you decide the slower drives are not working, just buy some SCSI drives and put them in the machine. Configure them how you want and format them. Mount them as /mnt/newscsi or something and rsync you data over to them. Change your /etc/fstab to mount /home to the new scsi drives on boot instead of the old SATA2 drives and run mount -a or reboot. Done. I never did figure out how to quick mount "C:\Documents and Settings" to a new upgraded hard drive without messing with existing data :-) I love the flexibility of Linux. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From baci at harborcityschool.org Fri Feb 2 14:28:51 2007 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:28:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP in use Video? In-Reply-To: <20070201213559.M27678@winonacotter.org> References: <20070201213559.M27678@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1170426531.3107.4.camel@BACI-W> I think this may be something we could do. We have a 4 server implementation supporting 100 clients in general and "lab" settings. If no-one else has started or completed such a thing, I'll (er..my students)will take it on. On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 15:48 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > We are starting to plan for NCLS again this year (www.nclinux.net). A tool > that I think would be excellent would be a usage video. I am talking about an > approximately 20 minute video that briefly shows a decent size lab being used > by actual students during an actual class, has a quick interview with a > teacher or two that states what applications they use with their class and > their goals with that program, and a quick interview with someone in > administration commenting on how they feel FOSS has helped to improve > technology/accessibility in their school. > > I don't think this should be technical at all. I think even if done fairly > unprofessional this could be a great tool for us and others to use during > presentations. The people this would be geared towards won't really care how > things work, just that they do work. Maybe a quick blurp from a Tech Admin > but making sure it only focused on time saved via central management. I don't > think low cost should be a driving focus either. > > I don't really have the talents personally to put something like this > together, or a real good environment for interviewees. But if anyone would be > willing to take such a task under their wing, I and I am sure the community at > large, would greatly appreciate it. I would place the result in an easy to > reach location so that it can be downloaded by anyone who would need such a > presentation. > > And of course if anyone knows of such a video that already exists, please > point me in the right direction. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Feb 2 14:28:14 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:28:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT- wine and user accounts In-Reply-To: <200702020823.46573.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <20070201130350.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2b0f055eca.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <200702020823.46573.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <9bd317560702020628p553253cdya317416ed1b0dff0@mail.gmail.com> So I take it you are generally running programs don't need to save any settings in that student_wine folder? thanks, Peter On 2/2/07, Martin Woolley wrote: > On Thursday 01 February 2007 20:03, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > We are running WINE on our K12LTSP server so that we can serve up some > > applications that only run on Windows. When I install an application, > > it only shows up for the user account where the installation took > > place. Is there a way to install an application under WINE that will > > show up for all users? > > We achieve this by cheating. On NFS we have a directory student_wine. Each > user has a symbolic link .wine in their home dir which points to the > student_wine dir. Any apps show up for any user, eg to run one application, > the KDE menu item contains > Exec=wine /home/MAUD/ooo/student_wine/drive_c/Program\\ > Files/Focus-ES/KS3Physics/KS3P.exe > > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Feb 2 14:32:00 2007 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:32:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: multi-server/single source authenticaton Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420D896D8@hhpmail.media.local> John, Here's the link to the howto describing IDMAP_RID , which gives the predictable mapping for Winbind. http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/idmapper.html #id339794 I looked at the changelog for that version of samba, and I "think" it is enabled in that build... so all you have to do is use the example samba config file to setup the winbind idmap backend correctly. Good luck! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org _____ From: john [mailto:lists.john at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:58 PM To: Burroughs, Henry Cc: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: multi-server/single source authenticaton Thanks Henry, Do you have any idea what version of Winbind/Samba does that, or where I could find documentation about that? Currently I am running Samba 3.0.22-1ubuntu3.1 and I am not aware of that module. I appreciate your help! John On 2/1/07, Burroughs, Henry wrote: John, I've been using single source authentication via Active Directory. There has been developments with Winbind (I think it is included with the most recent versions), that you can enable a module and it will map the AD SIDS to UNIX ids consistently, so you'll have the same UID number across multiple systems. Now I do it via LDAP and Microsoft Services for Unix. It is a little more to configure per user, however I can specify different home paths for users.. .ie: I keep students in /home/students and faculty in /home/faculty. You can't do that with Winbind, but then again, Winbind is a lot less work. I've just finally got LDAP failover working with my DCs. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:40:29 -0800 From: "john " Subject: multi-server/single source authenticaton was Re: [K12OSN] Networking a new school for K12LTSP? To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: < 2be970b50701301440t630ed022w945070e20f3ce10d at mail.gmail.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This has been an interesting thread. It makes me want to raise my own question. Is it possible to do multi-server/single source authenticaton using Active Directory rather than LDAP? Right now, we're not able to drop active directory for students, but will probably need to add servers as our LTSP experiment moves forward. The sticking point has been the way winbind/samba creates and maps unix passwords to windows passwords. Essentially each installation of Linux that uses Active Directory for authenticaton ends up with their own local user/pass db that makes centralized NFS homes semi-impossible. Has anyone figured out how to scale Linux and AD? John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Feb 2 15:04:23 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:04:23 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with student logins Message-ID: <45C352F7.5000509@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I've setup a k12ltsp box and I've almost got it working authenticating against our existing OpenLDAP server. If I do a getent passwd from the server I get all our users but if I try to login at the k12ltsp screen it appears to login but then boots you straight out. If I login at a CLI I can login but get this error message id: cannot find name for user ID 4492 you can't access anything in the the users home directory. Any ideas how to fix this ? Brian Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From petre at maltzen.net Fri Feb 2 16:42:45 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:42:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Networking a new school for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <45C17AB8.5080500@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20070126170022.DE46673546@hormel.redhat.com> <45C0EA44.9050106@cmosnetworks.com> <45C0F0DA.4020109@maltzen.net> <45C17AB8.5080500@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <45C36A05.1070808@maltzen.net> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On 1/31/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>> On 1/31/07, Petre Scheie wrote: >>>> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >>>>> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>>>>> On 1/29/07, Joseph Bishay wrote: >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope you are doing well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you all for the comprehensive reply! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once I started reading your email, I realized that probably the >>> best >>>>>>> way to proceed was to work with the idea of NIC Bonding or port >>>>>>> trunking. I have a surplus of Gigabit cards so I could put 3 in a >>>>>>> server (reading online I found that more than 3 wasn't going to >>> give >>>>>>> enough of an improvement due to the PCI bus limitations -- can >>> anyone >>>>>>> validate this?) and then send all 3 of those to the switch. I >>> could >>>>>>> then bond 3 ports from that switch to the next one (we'll probably >>>>>>> have 2 x48 gigabit switches for the whole building -- still >>> counting >>>>>>> the number of ports/computers required) so as to deal with the >>>>>>> bandwidth. The cost of some of those fiber <-> copper converts >>> look >>>>>>> rather daunting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would VERY MUCH prefer to use only 1 server for the entire >>> building >>>>>>> -- I am still very much a novice at this and the complexities of >>>>>>> setting up multiple servers or splitting into application & >>> /home with >>>>>>> LAPD sounds rather daunting. >>>>>>> >>>>>> If your still set on one server also have a look at this >>>>>> http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:Subnetting >>>>>> Instead of port trunking I think this would be a better idea. >>>>>> Especially if you are going to have 2 48 port switches that >>> could be >>>>>> on different gigabit linked subnets. >>>>> Hmm...I hadn't thought of that particular application >>> myself--addressing >>>>> bandwidth bottlenecks--but you're right, that sure would do it! >>> That >>>>> never even occurred to me...thanks! >>>>> >>>>> --TP >>>> I recall reading somewhere that three gigabit cards is probably the >>> max that the PCI bus >>>> can handle. Can anyone confirm or deny this? >>> No. A gigabit card is 1 Gibabit/s (that's 1 billion bits per second). >>> Each byte is 8 bits. So it maxs out at 125MB/s. A simple PCI bus can >>> handle 133MB/s max. So 1 gigabit ethernet card can saturate a PCI bus >> Correction: >> PCI 2.2 spec is 32 bits at 66Mhz which equals 266MB/s. So 2 gigabit >> nics should be able to saturate it. The original PCI bus was 32bits at >> 33Mhz which is 133MB/s. >> > > True, but if your PCI bus is 64-bits at 66MHz (i. e. PCI-X), then you're > fine, as you then have 532MB/s. I've always been sure to buy 64-bit, > 66MHz NIC's for this reason. Same with RAID cards; PCI-X whenever possible. > What brand of 64-bit NIC are you buying for this purpose? Where do you get them? Petre From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Feb 2 16:43:50 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:43:50 -0800 Subject: multi-server/single source authenticaton was Re: [K12OSN] Networking a new school for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <45C27ADF.80603@futuresource.com> References: <2be970b50701301440t630ed022w945070e20f3ce10d@mail.gmail.com> <200701302041.30285.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <2be970b50702011453kc88ca26qf506ffcab7c55d82@mail.gmail.com> <45C27ADF.80603@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50702020843m56b9652ex9287a75f202269f7@mail.gmail.com> Whoops, of course! Thanks, so as far as AD was concerned the samba domain would be just another domain in the forest. Would group policies work on both domains? John On 2/1/07, Les Mikesell wrote: > > john wrote: > > > Thanks for your thoughts, John. I'll look for that book. I'd prefer to > > go all LDAP, but currently I haven't gotten the Ok to do that, primarly > > because it's not obvious how we would get Windows machines to > > authenticate via LDAP. > > Windows machines can authenticate against a samba domain, which in turn > stores its user/password database in LDAP. You've probably seen that > scenario called samba/ldap here. > > The opposite approach is also possible. You can use smb authentication > on the Linux side against a windows domain. This isn't quite as slick > as winbindd because you have to create the linux accounts yourself but > it avoids the problems of getting random uids and you don't have to > manage a separate password. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 2 17:12:15 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:12:15 -0600 Subject: multi-server/single source authenticaton was Re: [K12OSN] Networking a new school for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50702020843m56b9652ex9287a75f202269f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50701301440t630ed022w945070e20f3ce10d@mail.gmail.com> <200701302041.30285.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <2be970b50702011453kc88ca26qf506ffcab7c55d82@mail.gmail.com> <45C27ADF.80603@futuresource.com> <2be970b50702020843m56b9652ex9287a75f202269f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C370EF.30307@futuresource.com> john wrote: > Whoops, of course! Thanks, so as far as AD was concerned the samba > domain would be just another domain in the forest. Would group policies > work on both domains? I'm not sure how (or if) samba interacts with AD domains. Is anyone trying that? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Fri Feb 2 17:23:51 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:23:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Networking a new school for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <45C36A05.1070808@maltzen.net> References: <20070126170022.DE46673546@hormel.redhat.com> <45C0EA44.9050106@cmosnetworks.com> <45C0F0DA.4020109@maltzen.net> <45C17AB8.5080500@cmosnetworks.com> <45C36A05.1070808@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 2/2/07, Petre Scheie wrote: > > True, but if your PCI bus is 64-bits at 66MHz (i. e. PCI-X), then you're > > fine, as you then have 532MB/s. I've always been sure to buy 64-bit, > > 66MHz NIC's for this reason. Same with RAID cards; PCI-X whenever possible. > > > What brand of 64-bit NIC are you buying for this purpose? Where do you get them? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833106114 and cheaper in Canada http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=20799&vpn=PWLA8490MTBLK5&manufacture=Intel -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Feb 2 18:33:03 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:33:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Networking a new school for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <45C36A05.1070808@maltzen.net> References: <20070126170022.DE46673546@hormel.redhat.com> <45C0EA44.9050106@cmosnetworks.com> <45C0F0DA.4020109@maltzen.net> <45C17AB8.5080500@cmosnetworks.com> <45C36A05.1070808@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45C383DF.6030803@cmosnetworks.com> Pretty much all of the fiber ones, which is about all I use, are that way. One good one that I've found works well with Linux is Amer.com's C1000SX. It is available here: http://www.amer.com/catalogue/ac1000sx.html Another one is the Intel Pro/1000SX card, which is 64bit/66MHz. These have been around for a long time, and I have used them in many a GNU/Linux box. Just do a search on www.pricewatch.com, using the terms "intel gigabit fiber", and I find them reasonably priced. As for copper cards, those typically are integrated into the motherboard nowadays, even on client box models. That's a question that the motherboard manufacturer should answer--on which bus, and at what bit/speed rate, is their integrated 10/100/1000 network interface(s)? Tyan and MSI both are known to put the copper Gig-E interface either on the PCI-32 bus (lower-end mobos) or, in Tyan's case, also on the PCI-X bux (higher end, co$t$ more). If it's the latter, you're in good shape. If it's the former, but you're running your other Gig-E cards on the PCI-X bus, then other than IDE hard disk contention (also on the PCI-32 bus, but not usually constant), you probably will be fine. Of course, I'd be looking at SATA or SCSI hardware raid on PCI-X if the budget allows for it. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>> On 1/31/07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>>> On 1/31/07, Petre Scheie wrote: >>>>> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >>>>>> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>>>>>> On 1/29/07, Joseph Bishay wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope you are doing well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you all for the comprehensive reply! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Once I started reading your email, I realized that probably the >>>> best >>>>>>>> way to proceed was to work with the idea of NIC Bonding or port >>>>>>>> trunking. I have a surplus of Gigabit cards so I could put 3 in a >>>>>>>> server (reading online I found that more than 3 wasn't going to >>>> give >>>>>>>> enough of an improvement due to the PCI bus limitations -- can >>>> anyone >>>>>>>> validate this?) and then send all 3 of those to the switch. I >>>> could >>>>>>>> then bond 3 ports from that switch to the next one (we'll probably >>>>>>>> have 2 x48 gigabit switches for the whole building -- still >>>> counting >>>>>>>> the number of ports/computers required) so as to deal with the >>>>>>>> bandwidth. The cost of some of those fiber <-> copper converts >>>> look >>>>>>>> rather daunting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would VERY MUCH prefer to use only 1 server for the entire >>>> building >>>>>>>> -- I am still very much a novice at this and the complexities of >>>>>>>> setting up multiple servers or splitting into application & >>>> /home with >>>>>>>> LAPD sounds rather daunting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> If your still set on one server also have a look at this >>>>>>> http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:Subnetting >>>>>>> Instead of port trunking I think this would be a better idea. >>>>>>> Especially if you are going to have 2 48 port switches that >>>> could be >>>>>>> on different gigabit linked subnets. >>>>>> Hmm...I hadn't thought of that particular application >>>> myself--addressing >>>>>> bandwidth bottlenecks--but you're right, that sure would do it! >>>> That >>>>>> never even occurred to me...thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> --TP >>>>> I recall reading somewhere that three gigabit cards is probably the >>>> max that the PCI bus >>>>> can handle. Can anyone confirm or deny this? >>>> No. A gigabit card is 1 Gibabit/s (that's 1 billion bits per second). >>>> Each byte is 8 bits. So it maxs out at 125MB/s. A simple PCI bus can >>>> handle 133MB/s max. So 1 gigabit ethernet card can saturate a PCI bus >>> Correction: >>> PCI 2.2 spec is 32 bits at 66Mhz which equals 266MB/s. So 2 gigabit >>> nics should be able to saturate it. The original PCI bus was 32bits at >>> 33Mhz which is 133MB/s. >>> >> >> True, but if your PCI bus is 64-bits at 66MHz (i. e. PCI-X), then you're >> fine, as you then have 532MB/s. I've always been sure to buy 64-bit, >> 66MHz NIC's for this reason. Same with RAID cards; PCI-X whenever >> possible. >> > What brand of 64-bit NIC are you buying for this purpose? 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URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Fri Feb 2 18:50:14 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:50:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with student logins In-Reply-To: <45C352F7.5000509@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <45C352F7.5000509@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200702021450.14293.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Friday 02 February 2007 11:04, Brian Chivers wrote: > I've setup a k12ltsp box and I've almost got it working authenticating > against our existing OpenLDAP server. > > If I do a getent passwd from the server I get all our users but if I try to > login at the k12ltsp screen it appears to login but then boots you straight > out. > > If I login at a CLI I can login but get this error message > > id: cannot find name for user ID 4492 > > you can't access anything in the the users home directory. > > Any ideas how to fix this ? > > Brian > Portsmouth College > You don't give any details about Linux distribution etc. but have you checked to make sure that the name service switch (NSS) is also using LDAP? Authentication is one thing, but home directory, group membership etc. is another that goes beyond authentication and is handled by NSS. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Feb 2 19:36:01 2007 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:36:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT- wine and user accounts Message-ID: <51021.172.28.8.66.1170444961.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hi Martin, Could you give a little more detailed steps on how you have your Windows Apps setup system wide using the NFS share setup? I dont understand how you get Wine to install to the NFS share folder or do you share user xyz and install all apps as this user ,then NFS share user /home/xyz/.wine,,then point/symlink all other users,to this home folder? Id like to give this a shot with the native wine if possible. Thanks, Barry Cisna westcentral school From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Feb 3 20:49:48 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 14:49:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] postfix problem ,dns maybe ? Message-ID: <38013.192.168.254.3.1170535788.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Not sure what caused this( like everything network gone wonky related), but yesterday our school mailserver freaked out with the HD running solid by the time i got several phone calls from teachers" Email is down". Last I looked this server had been up for 125 days,and also on our lan had one of our best/main servers that houses financial stuff had frooze solid(MS Windows).Anyways after rebooting the mail server FC3/K12LTSP 4.2.1 now whoever trys to send getting the below message from emails that are sent externally to our mail server. can send out fine and send/receive internally fine. This is the first trouble with this server in two years running rock solid. ( seems I always read this),,,:) I've read several posts in the past about email server "loopbacks" but have never run into this myself. I can not see anything wonky in the postfix main & master config files. Seems like a dns thing but I cant see what I need to see to resolve it. When I look at "veiw full headers", of a bounced back/externally sent message I see one thing changed: It used to show emailhostname.school.domain Now I'm seeing mail.school.domain -Almost as though maybe our local stats dns provider may have changed something? I'll call them Monday. Postfix Dovecot amavisd Squirrelmail Any ideas welcome. Thanks, Barry Cisna westcentral school ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 5.0.0 MX list for our.school.domain. points back to mail.our.school.domain 554 5.3.5 Local configuration error 550 5.1.1 postmaster... User unknown From carlos.om.carvalho at gmail.com Sat Feb 3 21:21:17 2007 From: carlos.om.carvalho at gmail.com (orlando carvalho) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:21:17 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't authenticate, from a linux client (K12LTSP), against a samba PDC/tdbsam Message-ID: <4f442a230702031321l51f50e60x5519dd9b1ec531cb@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Since September 2006, I've been using a samba PDC (3.0.20) with tdbsam, to authenticate the users of a school network (90 XP boxes). All the users are able to log in the network from XP boxes. Recently, I've installed a samba client (K12LTSP) in the domain, but, I' ve a problem getting linux client to authenticate against the Samba PDC. After setup all the config files (smb.conf, nsswitch, system-auth/pam amd pam_mount.conf) and start all services, I can't log in. The error message is "Account disabled by the administrator". This happen with all accounts. When I try to logon into the linux client machine with a username and password stored in samba I get the following in /var/log/messages: ==> messages <== Jan 31 17:41:38 ltspserver1 nmbd[2954]: Jan 31 17:41:38 ltspserver1 nmbd[2954]: ***** Jan 31 17:42:29 ltspserver1 pam_winbind[3455]: user 'p1012' OK Jan 31 17:42:29 ltspserver1 pam_winbind[3455]: user 'p1012' granted access Jan 31 17:42:29 ltspserver1 gdm[3740]: session_child_run: Utilizador n?o autorizado a iniciar sess?o Jan 31 17:59:44 ltspserver1 restorecond: Reset file context /etc/mtab: system_u:object_r:etc_t:s0->system_u:object_r:etc_runtime_t:s0 Jan 31 18:00:18 ltspserver1 pam_winbind[3832]: user 'p1012' OK Jan 31 18:00:18 ltspserver1 pam_winbind[3832]: user 'p1012' granted access Jan 31 18:00:18 ltspserver1 gdm[3846]: session_child_run: Utilizador n?o autorizado a iniciar sess?o Jan 31 18:08:28 ws253.ltsp -- MARK -- TRANSLATION of "Utilizador n?o autorizado a iniciar sess?o": User not allowed to start session In Samba PDC the command pdbedit -Lv p1012, prints: Unix username: p1012 NT username: Account Flags: [UX ] User SID: S-1-5-21-3881466999-1126814743-3210567677-7692 Primary Group SID: S-1-5-21-3881466999-1126814743-3210567677-2113 Full Name: Carlos Carvalho Home Directory: \\servlinux\p1012 HomeDir Drive: X: Logon Script: logon.bat Profile Path: Domain: ESCOLA Account desc: Workstations: Munged dial: Logon time: 0 Logoff time: Tue, 19 Jan 2038 03:14:07 GMT Kickoff time: Tue, 19 Jan 2038 03:14:07 GMT Password last set: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:00:11 GMT Password can change: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:00:11 GMT Password must change: Tue, 19 Jan 2038 03:14:07 GMT Last bad password : 0 Bad password count : 0 Logon hours : FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF All the following commands succeeded: wbinfo -u wbinfo -g wbinfo -t getent passwd My config files are: SMB.CONF (SAMBA PDC): [global] unix charset = iso8859-1 display charset = cp850 workgroup = ESCOLA server string = Samba Server passdb backend = tdbsam passwd chat = *new*password* %n\n re-enter*new*password* %n\n password*changed* username map = /etc/samba/smbusers log level = 2 auth syslog = 0 log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log max log size = 50 name resolve order = wins bcast hosts time server = Yes printcap name = cups show add printer wizard = No add user script = /usr/sbin/useradd -m %u delete user script = /usr/sbin/userdel -r %u add group script = /usr/sbin/groupadd %g delete group script = /usr/sbin/groupdel %g add user to group script = /usr/sbin/usermod -G %g %u add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -s /bin/false -d /var/lib/nobody %u logon script = logon.bat logon path = logon drive = X: domain logons = Yes os level = 65 preferred master = Yes domain master = Yes wins support = Yes ldap ssl = no idmap uid = 10000-20000 idmap gid = 10000-20000 admin users = root veto oplock files = /*.doc/*.xls/*.mdb/ [homes] comment = Home Directories - %p valid users = %S read only = No browseable = No [printers] comment = SMB Print Spool path = /var/spool/samba guest ok = Yes printable = Yes use client driver = Yes browseable = No [netlogon] comment = Network Logon Service path = /home/netlogon/%u read only = No browseable = No [software] comment = Instalacao de SW path = /apps/programas create mode = 770 directory mode = 770 valid users = root @ti admin users = p650 p1012 p894 writeable = yes browseable = no [professores] comment = Ficheiros para professores path = /apps/professores create mode = 770 directory mode = 770 valid users = root @professores admin users = p650 p1012 p894 writeable = yes browseable = no [administracao] comment = Programas de Gestao path = /apps/administracao create mode = 775 directory mode = 775 valid users = root @professores @t1213 admin users = p894 p774 p140 writeable = yes browseable = no [software_livre] comment = Software Livre path = /dados/livre create mode = 777 directory mode = 777 valid users = root @professores @alunos @formacao admin users = p1012 p755 p650 p894 writeable = yes browseable = yes SMB.CONF (LINUX CLIENT): [global] workgroup = ESCOLA security = domain log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log max log size = 50 wins server = 192.168.1.10 password server = 192.168.1.10 idmap uid = 16777216-33554431 idmap gid = 16777216-33554431 winbind enum users = yes winbind enum groups = yes template shell = /bin/false winbind use default domain = yes [homes] comment = Home Directories browseable = no writable = yes [printers] comment = All Printers path = /usr/spool/samba browseable = no SYSTEM-AUTH (LINUX CLIENT): #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required pam_env.so auth required pam_mount.so auth sufficient pam_unix.so nullok try_first_pass auth sufficient pam_smb_auth.so use_first_pass nolocal auth sufficient pam_winbind.so use_first_pass auth required pam_deny.so account required pam_unix.so broken_shadow account sufficient pam_localuser.so account sufficient pam_succeed_if.so uid < 500 quiet account [default=bad success=ok user_unknown=ignore] pam_winbind.so account required pam_permit.so password requisite pam_cracklib.so try_first_pass retry=3 password sufficient pam_unix.so md5 shadow nullok try_first_pass use_authtok password sufficient pam_winbind.so use_authtok password required pam_deny.so session optional pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel umask 0022 session optional pam_mount.so use_first_pass session optional pam_keyinit.so revoke session required pam_limits.so session [success=1 default=ignore] pam_succeed_if.so service in crond quiet use_uid session required pam_unix.so PAM_MOUNT (LINUX CLIENT): debug 0 mkmountpoint 1 fsckloop /dev/loop7 options_allow nosuid,nodev,loop,encryption options_require nosuid,nodev lsof /usr/sbin/lsof %(MNTPT) fsck /sbin/fsck -p %(FSCKTARGET) losetup /sbin/losetup -p0 "%(before=\"-e \" CIPHER)" "%(before=\"-k \" KEYBITS)" %(FSCKLOOP) %(VOLUME) unlosetup /sbin/losetup -d %(FSCKLOOP) cifsmount /bin/mount -t cifs //%(SERVER)/%(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) -o "username=%(USER)%(before=\",\" OPTIONS)" smbmount /bin/mount -t smbfs //%(SERVER)/%(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) -o "username=%(USER)%(before=\",\" OPTIONS)" ncpmount /bin/mount -t ncpfs %(SERVER)/%(USER) %(MNTPT) -o "pass-fd=0,volume=%(VOLUME)%(before=\",\" OPTIONS)" umount /bin/umount %(MNTPT) lclmount /bin/mount -p0 %(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) "%(before=\"-o \" OPTIONS)" cryptmount /bin/mount -t crypt "%(before=\"-o \" OPTIONS)" %(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) nfsmount /bin/mount %(SERVER):%(VOLUME) "%(MNTPT)%(before=\"-o \" OPTIONS)" mntagain /bin/mount --bind %(PREVMNTPT) %(MNTPT) mntcheck /bin/mount # For BSD's (don't have /etc/mtab) pmvarrun /usr/sbin/pmvarrun -u %(USER) -d -o %(OPERATION) volume * smb 192.168.1.10 & /home/&/online uid=&,dmask=0570 - - I've tested with k12ltsp 5.0/k12ltsp 6.0 and Samba 3.0.23c/Samba 3.0.23dwithout success. Before testing, I installed all the updates availables. Almost everything is working well and the system is able to create the users home directories with pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel umask 0022. I tried the commands <> and <> without success. Meanwhile, I joined with success, a linux client Fedora core 4. I need an easy way to deploy terminals, so, could you help me to find correct way to solve my problem? Thank You, Carlos Carvalho -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat Feb 3 21:42:54 2007 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:42:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Can't authenticate, from a linux client (K12LTSP), against a samba PDC/tdbsam In-Reply-To: <4f442a230702031321l51f50e60x5519dd9b1ec531cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f442a230702031321l51f50e60x5519dd9b1ec531cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4581.76.179.82.249.1170538974.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> dont suppose passwordmustchange field is bunging things up?? From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 4 13:20:20 2007 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 05:20:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT- wine and user accounts Message-ID: <20070204132020.40735.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think you can install WINE applications in /usr/local/bin to allow access to everybody. I can't recall the details on how to do it, but I'm pretty sure I read it on the winehq.com page a few years ago. -Rob On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:03:51PM -0700, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > We are running WINE on our K12LTSP server so that we can serve up some > applications that only run on Windows. When I install an application, > it only shows up for the user account where the installation took > place. Is there a way to install an application under WINE that will > show up for all users? > > > Sincerely, > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Sun Feb 4 20:52:59 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 15:52:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Discussion on sound (not meant as a rant) In-Reply-To: References: <200701191358.54291.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: A little more on the continue saga of getting mplayer with the gui to work. mplayer runs solidly now, playing all the videos that I have tried from UnitedStreaming provided I start it from a terminal session. I have not gotten either the gui interface nor the plugin to work properly. GUI: For the gui, it launches but the moment you start a clip, it freezes. Now, the only clue I have is that if you try to then open a terminal session after launching gmplayer, the terminal session also freezes. Is there a possibility that the gui is trying to write to std out and can't so it freezes? If I execute a CTRL-C for the terminal window, I then get the prompt back, and can kill gmplayer. Plugin: The plugin shows as loaded, and shows that it is downloading/buffering, but then on playback, I do not get anything, no picture, no sound. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Feb 5 02:18:35 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:18:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Discussion on sound (not meant as a rant) Message-ID: <38279.192.168.254.3.1170641915.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> David, What build of K12LTSP are you are on? Are you using the standard Firefox 1.5.x? If you like I can give you my little ftp site and I'll tar.gz all the rpm's that will let Mplayer work on all formats of video/audio, out of the box.you can down them all, install and you should have working Mplayer and less frustration. Why dont you post your - about:plugins - typed into the address bar of Firefox here? We maybe be able to see what you are missing. Try going to cartalk DOT com and try and play some of the real audio media there and see if your audio at least works correctly. Can you play any videos,at say msn DOT com video selections? This will get you some various possibilities of formats that *should* work with mplayer. Have you installed the Mplayer plugin? If so you should have the "controls" built into the we browser itself. You shouldn't have to do the terminal stuff to make Mplayer work.If it works correctly this way your gui interface will work as well as standalone providing you have given Mplayer the correct audio/video plugin, in the Mplayer.conf file. Hope this helps a little. Take Care, Barry Cisna From I.Derks at translucent.nl Mon Feb 5 10:10:10 2007 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:10:10 +0100 Subject: multi-server/single source authenticaton was Re: [K12OSN] Networking a new school for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <45C370EF.30307@futuresource.com> References: <2be970b50701301440t630ed022w945070e20f3ce10d@mail.gmail.com> <200701302041.30285.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <2be970b50702011453kc88ca26qf506ffcab7c55d82@mail.gmail.com> <45C27ADF.80603@futuresource.com> <2be970b50702020843m56b9652ex9287a75f202269f7@mail.gmail.com> <45C370EF.30307@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1170670210.12684.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 11:12 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > john wrote: > > Whoops, of course! Thanks, so as far as AD was concerned the samba > > domain would be just another domain in the forest. Would group policies > > work on both domains? > we use nitrobit for group policies with our samba/ldap setup with great succes. No need for AD that way! -- Immanuel Derks Translucent Systems From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Feb 5 12:39:34 2007 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 06:39:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't authenticate, from a linux client (K12LTSP), against a samba PDC/tdbsam In-Reply-To: <4f442a230702031321l51f50e60x5519dd9b1ec531cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f442a230702031321l51f50e60x5519dd9b1ec531cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Did you setup a machine account for the linux box?? On Feb 3, 2007, at 3:21 PM, orlando carvalho wrote: > Hi, > > Since September 2006, I've been using a samba PDC (3.0.20) with > tdbsam, to authenticate the users of a school network (90 XP > boxes). All the users are able to log in the network from XP boxes. > > Recently, I've installed a samba client (K12LTSP) in the domain, > but, I' ve a problem getting linux client to authenticate against > the Samba PDC. After setup all the config files (smb.conf, > nsswitch, system-auth/pam amd pam_mount.conf) and start all > services, I can't log in. The error message is "Account disabled by > the administrator". This happen with all accounts. > > When I try to logon into the linux client machine with a username > and password stored in samba I get the following in /var/log/messages: > > ==> messages <== > > Jan 31 17:41:38 ltspserver1 nmbd[2954]: > > Jan 31 17:41:38 ltspserver1 nmbd[2954]: ***** > > Jan 31 17:42:29 ltspserver1 pam_winbind[3455]: user 'p1012' OK > > Jan 31 17:42:29 ltspserver1 pam_winbind[3455]: user 'p1012' granted > access > > Jan 31 17:42:29 ltspserver1 gdm[3740]: session_child_run: > Utilizador n?o autorizado a iniciar sess?o > > Jan 31 17:59:44 ltspserver1 restorecond: Reset file context /etc/ > mtab: system_u:object_r:etc_t:s0->system_u:object_r:etc_runtime_t:s0 > > Jan 31 18:00:18 ltspserver1 pam_winbind[3832]: user 'p1012' OK > > Jan 31 18:00:18 ltspserver1 pam_winbind[3832]: user 'p1012' granted > access > > Jan 31 18:00:18 ltspserver1 gdm[3846]: session_child_run: > Utilizador n?o autorizado a iniciar sess?o > > Jan 31 18:08:28 ws253.ltsp -- MARK -- > > > > TRANSLATION of "Utilizador n?o autorizado a iniciar sess?o": User > not allowed to start session > > > > In Samba PDC the command pdbedit -Lv p1012, prints: > > Unix username: p1012 > > NT username: > > Account Flags: [UX ] > > User SID: S-1-5-21-3881466999-1126814743-3210567677-7692 > > Primary Group SID: S-1-5-21-3881466999-1126814743-3210567677-2113 > > Full Name: Carlos Carvalho > > Home Directory: \\servlinux\p1012 > > HomeDir Drive: X: > > Logon Script: logon.bat > > Profile Path: > > Domain: ESCOLA > > Account desc: > > Workstations: > > Munged dial: > > Logon time: 0 > > Logoff time: Tue, 19 Jan 2038 03:14:07 GMT > > Kickoff time: Tue, 19 Jan 2038 03:14:07 GMT > > Password last set: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:00:11 GMT > > Password can change: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:00:11 GMT > > Password must change: Tue, 19 Jan 2038 03:14:07 GMT > > Last bad password : 0 > > Bad password count : 0 > > Logon hours : FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF > > > > All the following commands succeeded: > > wbinfo -u > > wbinfo -g > > wbinfo -t > > getent passwd > > > > My config files are: > > > > SMB.CONF (SAMBA PDC): > > [global] > > unix charset = iso8859-1 > > display charset = cp850 > > workgroup = ESCOLA > > server string = Samba Server > > passdb backend = tdbsam > > passwd chat = *new*password* %n\n re-enter*new*password* %n\n > password*changed* > > username map = /etc/samba/smbusers > > log level = 2 auth > > syslog = 0 > > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > > max log size = 50 > > name resolve order = wins bcast hosts > > time server = Yes > > printcap name = cups > > show add printer wizard = No > > add user script = /usr/sbin/useradd -m %u > > delete user script = /usr/sbin/userdel -r %u > > add group script = /usr/sbin/groupadd %g > > delete group script = /usr/sbin/groupdel %g > > add user to group script = /usr/sbin/usermod -G %g %u > > add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -s /bin/false -d /var/lib/ > nobody %u > > logon script = logon.bat > > logon path = > > logon drive = X: > > domain logons = Yes > > os level = 65 > > preferred master = Yes > > domain master = Yes > > wins support = Yes > > ldap ssl = no > > idmap uid = 10000-20000 > > idmap gid = 10000-20000 > > admin users = root > > veto oplock files = /*.doc/*.xls/*.mdb/ > > > > [homes] > > comment = Home Directories - %p > > valid users = %S > > read only = No > > browseable = No > > > > [printers] > > comment = SMB Print Spool > > path = /var/spool/samba > > guest ok = Yes > > printable = Yes > > use client driver = Yes > > browseable = No > > > > [netlogon] > > comment = Network Logon Service > > path = /home/netlogon/%u > > read only = No > > browseable = No > > [software] > > comment = Instalacao de SW > > path = /apps/programas > > create mode = 770 > > directory mode = 770 > > valid users = root @ti > > admin users = p650 p1012 p894 > > writeable = yes > > browseable = no > > > > [professores] > > comment = Ficheiros para professores > > path = /apps/professores > > create mode = 770 > > directory mode = 770 > > valid users = root @professores > > admin users = p650 p1012 p894 > > writeable = yes > > browseable = no > > [administracao] > > comment = Programas de Gestao > > path = /apps/administracao > > create mode = 775 > > directory mode = 775 > > valid users = root @professores @t1213 > > admin users = p894 p774 p140 > > writeable = yes > > browseable = no > > [software_livre] > > comment = Software Livre > > path = /dados/livre > > create mode = 777 > > directory mode = 777 > > valid users = root @professores @alunos @formacao > > admin users = p1012 p755 p650 p894 > > writeable = yes > > browseable = yes > > > > SMB.CONF (LINUX CLIENT): > > [global] > > workgroup = ESCOLA > > security = domain > > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > > max log size = 50 > > wins server = 192.168.1.10 > > password server = 192.168.1.10 > > idmap uid = 16777216-33554431 > > idmap gid = 16777216-33554431 > > winbind enum users = yes > > winbind enum groups = yes > > template shell = /bin/false > > winbind use default domain = yes > > [homes] > > comment = Home Directories > > browseable = no > > writable = yes > > > > [printers] > > comment = All Printers > > path = /usr/spool/samba > > browseable = no > > > > SYSTEM-AUTH (LINUX CLIENT): > > #%PAM-1.0 > > # This file is auto-generated. > > # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. > > auth required pam_env.so > > auth required pam_mount.so > > auth sufficient pam_unix.so nullok try_first_pass > > auth sufficient pam_smb_auth.so use_first_pass nolocal > > auth sufficient pam_winbind.so use_first_pass > > auth required pam_deny.so > > > > account required pam_unix.so broken_shadow > > account sufficient pam_localuser.so > > account sufficient pam_succeed_if.so uid < 500 quiet > > account [default=bad success=ok user_unknown=ignore] pam_winbind.so > > account required pam_permit.so > > > > password requisite pam_cracklib.so try_first_pass retry=3 > > password sufficient pam_unix.so md5 shadow nullok try_first_pass > use_authtok > > password sufficient pam_winbind.so use_authtok > > password required pam_deny.so > > > > session optional pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel umask 0022 > > session optional pam_mount.so use_first_pass > > session optional pam_keyinit.so revoke > > session required pam_limits.so > > session [success=1 default=ignore] pam_succeed_if.so service in > crond quiet use_uid > > session required pam_unix.so > > > > PAM_MOUNT (LINUX CLIENT): > > debug 0 > > mkmountpoint 1 > > fsckloop /dev/loop7 > > options_allow nosuid,nodev,loop,encryption > > options_require nosuid,nodev > > lsof /usr/sbin/lsof %(MNTPT) > > fsck /sbin/fsck -p %(FSCKTARGET) > > losetup /sbin/losetup -p0 "%(before=\"-e \" CIPHER)" "%(before=\"-k > \" KEYBITS)" %(FSCKLOOP) %(VOLUME) > > unlosetup /sbin/losetup -d %(FSCKLOOP) > > cifsmount /bin/mount -t cifs //%(SERVER)/%(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) -o > "username=%(USER)%(before=\",\" OPTIONS)" > > smbmount /bin/mount -t smbfs //%(SERVER)/%(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) -o > "username=%(USER)%(before=\",\" OPTIONS)" > > ncpmount /bin/mount -t ncpfs %(SERVER)/%(USER) %(MNTPT) -o "pass- > fd=0,volume=%(VOLUME)%(before=\",\" OPTIONS)" > > umount /bin/umount %(MNTPT) > > lclmount /bin/mount -p0 %(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) "%(before=\"-o \" OPTIONS)" > > cryptmount /bin/mount -t crypt "%(before=\"-o \" OPTIONS)" % > (VOLUME) %(MNTPT) > > nfsmount /bin/mount %(SERVER):%(VOLUME) "%(MNTPT)%(before=\"-o \" > OPTIONS)" > > mntagain /bin/mount --bind %(PREVMNTPT) %(MNTPT) > > mntcheck /bin/mount # For BSD's (don't have /etc/mtab) > > pmvarrun /usr/sbin/pmvarrun -u %(USER) -d -o %(OPERATION) > > > > volume * smb 192.168.1.10 & /home/&/online uid=&,dmask=0570 - - > > > > > > I've tested with k12ltsp 5.0/k12ltsp 6.0 and Samba 3.0.23c/Samba > 3.0.23d without success. Before testing, I installed all the > updates availables. > > Almost everything is working well and the system is able to create > the users home directories with pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel > umask 0022. > > I tried the commands <> and < "[X ] p1012>> without success. > > Meanwhile, I joined with success, a linux client Fedora core 4. > > I need an easy way to deploy terminals, so, could you help me to > find correct way to solve my problem? > > > > Thank You, > > Carlos Carvalho > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkXHJYYACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRqcwCfWo/hOS1a4EIxHSYaZvQPrdXz QLIAnRABXKujaqfkecK+yer2vaDhbd1R =oV8A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 5 14:20:43 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:20:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP in use Video? In-Reply-To: <1170426531.3107.4.camel@BACI-W> References: <20070201213559.M27678@winonacotter.org> <1170426531.3107.4.camel@BACI-W> Message-ID: <20070205141910.M40839@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:28:51 -0600, Chris Bacigalupo wrote > I think this may be something we could do. We have a 4 server > implementation supporting 100 clients in general and "lab" settings. > If no-one else has started or completed such a thing, I'll (er..my > students)will take it on. Ideally, sometime before June 14th (first day of the seminar). But even if it didn't make it by then I am sure it would be most useful to many others and future seminars. The last event we put on we just seemed to be lacking testimonials and demonstrations of real world use. I think such a video would really help drive the point across to newcomers. It would also be a great tool for Tech Admins to show their administration when trying to make a sale as well. Thanks for your efforts, and anything you can come up with would be appreciated. You could leave any student names out and even be very vague with the staff names as well. I don't think the names are as significant as the concept. You could even be very general with the school name as well just stating that the school is an urban or rural school with X amount of students to give an idea of size. Thanks again, Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 15:39:03 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:39:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Discussion on sound (not meant as a rant) In-Reply-To: <38279.192.168.254.3.1170641915.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <38279.192.168.254.3.1170641915.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: Barry, I am using the Firefox version that was released last August. I try to update during the summer for the servers. I did install Firefox 2.0 over Christmas break since 1.5 was crushing the servers (very resource intensive). 2.0 is much less so though still heavier than Mozilla ever was. I will try the other suggestions later this week (hopefully tomorrow night) and post back results. The plug-in doesn't work correctly though, of that I am certain having spent a few hours yesterday with it. And the gui just hangs on any video which is strange, even when launched via mplayer -gui some_video_file It starts to play the video, and hangs. mplayer some_video_file works without issues. There are about a zillion options for mplayer, so perhaps some combination will work. I do notice during the manual compile/build that there are numerous warnings from the gcc compiler about pointers and such. I have the latest versions of gcc (and associated libraries). Thanks for all of your efforts. On 2/4/07, Barry Cisna wrote: > > David, > > What build of K12LTSP are you are on? Are you using the standard Firefox > 1.5.x? If you like I can give you my little ftp site and I'll tar.gz all > the rpm's that will let Mplayer work on all formats of video/audio, out > of the box.you can down them all, install and you should have working > Mplayer and less frustration. > Why dont you post your - about:plugins - typed into the address bar of > Firefox here? We maybe be able to see what you are missing. Try going to > cartalk DOT com and try and play some of the real audio media there and > see if your audio at least works correctly. Can you play any videos,at say > msn DOT com video selections? This will get you some various possibilities > of formats that *should* work with mplayer. Have you installed the Mplayer > plugin? If so you should have the "controls" built into the we browser > itself. You shouldn't have to do the terminal stuff to make Mplayer > work.If it works correctly this way your gui interface will work as well > as standalone providing you have given Mplayer the correct audio/video > plugin, in the Mplayer.conf file. > > Hope this helps a little. > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 15:39:47 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:39:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Discussion on sound (not meant as a rant) In-Reply-To: References: <38279.192.168.254.3.1170641915.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: Shoot, meant K12LTSP version in the first line. On 2/5/07, David Hopkins wrote: > > Barry, > > I am using the Firefox version that was released last August. I try to > update during the summer for the servers. I did install Firefox 2.0 over > Christmas break since 1.5 was crushing the servers (very resource > intensive). 2.0 is much less so though still heavier than Mozilla ever > was. I will try the other suggestions later this week (hopefully tomorrow > night) and post back results. The plug-in doesn't work correctly though, of > that I am certain having spent a few hours yesterday with it. And the gui > just hangs on any video which is strange, even when launched via > > mplayer -gui some_video_file > > It starts to play the video, and hangs. mplayer some_video_file works > without issues. There are about a zillion options for mplayer, so perhaps > some combination will work. I do notice during the manual compile/build > that there are numerous warnings from the gcc compiler about pointers and > such. I have the latest versions of gcc (and associated libraries). > > Thanks for all of your efforts. > > > On 2/4/07, Barry Cisna wrote: > > > > David, > > > > What build of K12LTSP are you are on? Are you using the standard Firefox > > 1.5.x? If you like I can give you my little ftp site and I'll tar.gz all > > the rpm's that will let Mplayer work on all formats of video/audio, out > > of the box.you can down them all, install and you should have working > > Mplayer and less frustration. > > Why dont you post your - about:plugins - typed into the address bar of > > Firefox here? We maybe be able to see what you are missing. Try going to > > cartalk DOT com and try and play some of the real audio media there and > > see if your audio at least works correctly. Can you play any videos,at > > say > > msn DOT com video selections? This will get you some various > > possibilities > > of formats that *should* work with mplayer. Have you installed the > > Mplayer > > plugin? If so you should have the "controls" built into the we browser > > itself. You shouldn't have to do the terminal stuff to make Mplayer > > work.If it works correctly this way your gui interface will work as well > > as standalone providing you have given Mplayer the correct audio/video > > plugin, in the Mplayer.conf file. > > > > Hope this helps a little. > > Take Care, > > > > Barry Cisna > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Mon Feb 5 15:49:44 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:49:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Pam_mount Message-ID: <45C6FD32.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Hello everyone! I have been tryinh to figure out a problem I am having with pam_mount. I have k12LTSP 6 installed and authenticating with windows AD. I have setup home directory mounting via pam_mount, however, it does not appear to be mounting anything. It did work before. The log files show it trying to mount, but there are no error messeges other than it trying to unmount and saying it is not mounted. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to trouble-shoot this? Thanks Daniel From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Mon Feb 5 15:52:48 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:52:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Network monitoring Message-ID: <45C6FDEA.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Does anyone have a suggestion on an open source setup to monitor network traffic? I want to setup a server to monitor the traffic so I can see who is going where, what bandwidth is being used, and what services are being used. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Daniel From caldodge at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 15:56:48 2007 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:56:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Network monitoring In-Reply-To: <45C6FDEA.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45C6FDEA.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0702050756x1f5969b1la09f5073da35a303@mail.gmail.com> On 2/5/07, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Does anyone have a suggestion on an open source setup to monitor network > traffic? I want to setup a server to monitor the traffic so I can see > who is going where, what bandwidth is being used, and what services are > being used. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. You can run iptraf in daemon mode, with logging to a file, then analyze the log results. Calvin From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Feb 5 15:57:19 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:57:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Network monitoring Message-ID: <20070205085719.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.656346bcf9.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I am looking to do the same thing and was going to start evaluating these: http://www.censornet.com/ http://giannis.stoilis.gr/software/mysar/ http://squidalyser.sourceforge.net/ Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Network monitoring > From: "Daniel Kuecker" > Date: Mon, February 05, 2007 9:52 am > To: > > Does anyone have a suggestion on an open source setup to monitor network > traffic? I want to setup a server to monitor the traffic so I can see > who is going where, what bandwidth is being used, and what services are > being used. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Feb 5 16:08:11 2007 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:08:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Pam_mount In-Reply-To: <45C6FD32.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45C6FD32.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <1779.76.179.82.249.1170691691.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> been too long now to be much help..but my configs are in winintegration on thw wiki if you wqant to c rosscheck.. > Hello everyone! > > I have been tryinh to figure out a problem I am having with pam_mount. > I have k12LTSP 6 installed and authenticating with windows AD. I have > setup home directory mounting via pam_mount, however, it does not appear > to be mounting anything. It did work before. The log files show it > trying to mount, but there are no error messeges other than it trying to > unmount and saying it is not mounted. Does anyone have any suggestions > on how to trouble-shoot this? > > Thanks > Daniel > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Feb 5 15:59:51 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:59:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Network monitoring Message-ID: <20070205085951.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.17cf3db8a2.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I know that Nagios is a good network management tool. http://www.nagios.org/ Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Network monitoring > From: "Daniel Kuecker" > Date: Mon, February 05, 2007 9:52 am > To: > > Does anyone have a suggestion on an open source setup to monitor network > traffic? I want to setup a server to monitor the traffic so I can see > who is going where, what bandwidth is being used, and what services are > being used. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From caldodge at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 16:06:40 2007 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:06:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Network monitoring In-Reply-To: <20070205085951.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.17cf3db8a2.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070205085951.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.17cf3db8a2.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0702050806o4b8e2279r794ea720d0c7c85b@mail.gmail.com> On 2/5/07, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I know that Nagios is a good network management tool. AFAIK, Nagios is intended to verify that services are running, rather than tracking network usage by user/service/IP address. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong. Calvin From caldodge at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 16:08:19 2007 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:08:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Network monitoring In-Reply-To: <45C6FDEA.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45C6FDEA.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0702050808r16ed09e8y31f9613dbfa13ae9@mail.gmail.com> On 2/5/07, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Does anyone have a suggestion on an open source setup to monitor network > traffic? I want to setup a server to monitor the traffic so I can see > who is going where, what bandwidth is being used, and what services are > being used. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. If you can live with daily info updates (IIRC, that's the update interval), there's MRTG, which gives you purty graphs of the above info. Calvin From ARolick at fillmore.k12.ca.us Mon Feb 5 16:12:36 2007 From: ARolick at fillmore.k12.ca.us (Abraham Rolick) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:12:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Network monitoring In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0702050808r16ed09e8y31f9613dbfa13ae9@mail.gmail.com> References: <45C6FDEA.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <824a5f7a0702050808r16ed09e8y31f9613dbfa13ae9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MRTG only reports network utilization I believe (doesn't report which services were used, which URLs were hit, etc). -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Calvin Dodge Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:08 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Network monitoring On 2/5/07, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Does anyone have a suggestion on an open source setup to monitor network > traffic? I want to setup a server to monitor the traffic so I can see > who is going where, what bandwidth is being used, and what services are > being used. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. If you can live with daily info updates (IIRC, that's the update interval), there's MRTG, which gives you purty graphs of the above info. Calvin _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From hartt at glenburn.net Mon Feb 5 16:25:27 2007 From: hartt at glenburn.net (Tim Hart) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:25:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH Message-ID: I am getting my Linux servers shut down by by ISP for outbound ssh scanning. I can turn it off but would like to know what the issue could be so I can still use ssh. Ideas? Tim From petre at maltzen.net Mon Feb 5 16:38:38 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:38:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C75D8E.8060201@maltzen.net> What does 'outbound ssh scanning' mean? Tim Hart wrote: > I am getting my Linux servers shut down by by ISP for outbound ssh > scanning. I can turn it off but would like to know what the issue could be > so I can still use ssh. Ideas? > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at hvja.org Mon Feb 5 16:48:26 2007 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:48:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Network monitoring In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0702050756x1f5969b1la09f5073da35a303@mail.gmail.com> References: <45C6FDEA.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <824a5f7a0702050756x1f5969b1la09f5073da35a303@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C75FDA.6090401@hvja.org> NTOP comes to mind and Cacti... for bandwidth and server loads...maybe services as well... but not sure how to co-relate WHO is going WHERE without utilitizing something like squid's access logs with requiring them to authenticate to the proxy to access the outside world..you can tell IP address going to site http://www.xyz.com/ and what time it occurs and backtrack if need be.. --Huck Calvin Dodge wrote: > On 2/5/07, Daniel Kuecker wrote: >> Does anyone have a suggestion on an open source setup to monitor network >> traffic? I want to setup a server to monitor the traffic so I can see >> who is going where, what bandwidth is being used, and what services are >> being used. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. > > You can run iptraf in daemon mode, with logging to a file, then > analyze the log results. > > Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nils at breun.nl Mon Feb 5 16:58:46 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:58:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Network monitoring In-Reply-To: <45C6FDEA.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45C6FDEA.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <09E9BD23-2110-4E38-978E-004BE3A94E8B@breun.nl> Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Does anyone have a suggestion on an open source setup to monitor > network > traffic? I want to setup a server to monitor the traffic so I can see > who is going where, what bandwidth is being used, and what services > are > being used. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. You might want to check out ntop (http://www.ntop.org/). From the website: What ntop can do for me? - Sort network traffic according to many protocols - Show network traffic sorted according to various criteria - Display traffic statistics - Store on disk persistent traffic statistics in RRD format - Identify the indentity (e.g. email address) of computer users - Passively (i.e. withou sending probe packets) identify the host OS - Show IP traffic distribution among the various protocols - Analyse IP traffic and sort it according to the source/ destination - Display IP Traffic Subnet matrix (who's talking to who?) - Report IP protocol usage sorted by protocol type - Act as a NetFlow/sFlow collector for flows generated by routers (e.g. Cisco and Juniper) or switches (e.g. Foundry Networks) - Produce RMON-like network traffic statistics It is not a very lightweight app, but it is very easy to setup and really shows a *lot* of stats. It is distributed under the GPL. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From hartt at glenburn.net Mon Feb 5 17:00:04 2007 From: hartt at glenburn.net (Tim Hart) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:00:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: <45C75D8E.8060201@maltzen.net> References: <45C75D8E.8060201@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." on Monday, February 05, 2007 at 11:38 AM -0500 wrote: >What does 'outbound ssh scanning' mean? That is my question! Of course now I can't get through to them to turn my IP addesses back on. Great start to the week. :) This is happening on a brand new install of K12LTSP 6 and a 6 month old K12LTSP 5 install. Tim From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 17:24:50 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:24:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200702051324.50948.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> It is important that you find out who on your network is port scanning. If you are behind a NAT firewall, it could be coming from any host on your net, not just the Linux hosts. First step would be to monitor your net just *inside* your perimeter firewall with a protocol analyzer (filtering tcp port 22) to find out which host is doing the scanning. If you connect to the firewall through a switch, you will have to put the protocol analyzer (i.e. ethereal) on "monitor port" on a managed switch or insert a hub (not a switch) inline on an unmanaged switch so that all net traffic can be "seen" by the analyzer. Next find out who is logged into that host and what processes are running. If it *is* your linux host, look for who is running typical scanning programs (i.e. nmap) and deal with that user. You can also disable or remove such software by changing ownership and permissions (allow only those in group wheel to run nmap for instance). Linux hosts are not the only ones capable of port scanning. There is the possibility that some computer on your net has been hacked. Check out the procedures for recovery at http://www.cert.org/ It is also possible that your ISP has jumped the gun, so insist on seeing the evidence and make sure it is scanning and not legitimate ssh usage. You might restrict outgoing traffic more strictly, including blocking outgoing ssh traffic until the problem is found and fixed. You could (for instance) block outgoing outbound tcp/22, and still run sshd on an alternate port for incoming traffic (in a pinch). That ought to get you started; good luck. On Monday 05 February 2007 12:25, Tim Hart wrote: > I am getting my Linux servers shut down by by ISP for outbound ssh > scanning. I can turn it off but would like to know what the issue could be > so I can still use ssh. Ideas? > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 17:51:36 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:51:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: References: <45C75D8E.8060201@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200702051351.36899.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Port scanning is the examination of remote systems for available services and is a usual preliminary used by "crackers" to exploit a vulnerable service for break-in. In this case it probably means that tcp port 22 on *many* remote systems were being probed to see if the service is accessable. Next step would be to determine the version of the service and what platform it is on to see if it can be exploited. As an example a simple "telnet somehost 22" might return: "SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.5p1". There could be automated tools that discover vulnerable systems and also automates the exploit (one does not have to be clever). AFAIK there is no current exploit on recent SSH services, so one would have to be looking for really old versions. On Monday 05 February 2007 13:00, Tim Hart wrote: > "Support list for open source software in schools." on > > Monday, February 05, 2007 at 11:38 AM -0500 wrote: > >What does 'outbound ssh scanning' mean? > > That is my question! Of course now I can't get through to them to turn my > IP addesses back on. Great start to the week. :) > > This is happening on a brand new install of K12LTSP 6 and a 6 month old > K12LTSP 5 install. > > Tim > Port scanning is the examination of remote systems for available services and is a usual preliminary used by "crackers" to exploit a vulnerable service for break-in. In this case it probably means that tcp port 22 on *many* remote systems were being probed to see if the service is accessable. Next step would be to determine the version of the service and what platform it is on to see if it can be exploited. As an example a simple "telnet somehost 22" might return: "SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.5p1". There could be automated tools that discover vulnerable systems and also automates the exploit (one does not have to be clever). AFAIK there is no current exploit on recent SSH services, so one would have to be looking for really old versions. Your ISP does *not* have to shut you down completely, they could block outgoing tcp/22 probes and leave the rest of the net up. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From les at futuresource.com Mon Feb 5 18:03:19 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:03:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: <200702051351.36899.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <45C75D8E.8060201@maltzen.net> <200702051351.36899.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C77167.4030106@futuresource.com> John Lucas wrote: > Port scanning is the examination of remote systems for available services and > is a usual preliminary used by "crackers" to exploit a vulnerable service for > break-in. In this case it probably means that tcp port 22 on *many* remote > systems were being probed to see if the service is accessable. Next step > would be to determine the version of the service and what platform it is on > to see if it can be exploited. As an example a simple "telnet somehost 22" > might return: "SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.5p1". There could be automated tools that > discover vulnerable systems and also automates the exploit (one does not have > to be clever). > > AFAIK there is no current exploit on recent SSH services, so one would have to > be looking for really old versions. There is a lot of brute force password guessing going on, though, so there are probably automated scripts and perhaps trojans of some sort doing it. If you have port 22 open inbound, you'll probably see a lot of login attempts with user names that don't exist and/or bad passwords. If you have a port that can monitor all outbound connections you can: tcpdump port 22 and watch for one internal address trying to connect to a lot of different destinations. If you've connected to the monitor host via ssh yourself, make that: tcpdump port 22 and not host my_ip_address to keep your own traffic from cluttering what you see. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Feb 5 18:38:01 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:38:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network monitoring In-Reply-To: <45C6FDEA.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45C6FDEA.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <45C77989.5080506@cmosnetworks.com> Does your router support NetFlow? If it does, then I would recommend the Flow-Tools. I use the Flow-Tools all the time to get traffic/protocol/IP address information and have detected many an infected Windows box that way. Also nailed P2P file-sharers with it. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Does anyone have a suggestion on an open source setup to monitor network > traffic? I want to setup a server to monitor the traffic so I can see > who is going where, what bandwidth is being used, and what services are > being used. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you get a response go to ' http localhost 631 ' in your webbrowser, stop and restart the troubled printer there. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From carlos.om.carvalho at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 18:45:33 2007 From: carlos.om.carvalho at gmail.com (orlando carvalho) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:45:33 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't authenticate, from a linux client (K12LTSP), against a samba PDC/tdbsam Message-ID: <4f442a230702051045p5c45d0efka3b04b310723e69e@mail.gmail.com> Yes and wbinfo -t succeded. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ARolick at fillmore.k12.ca.us Mon Feb 5 18:59:56 2007 From: ARolick at fillmore.k12.ca.us (Abraham Rolick) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:59:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: <45C77167.4030106@futuresource.com> References: <45C75D8E.8060201@maltzen.net> <200702051351.36899.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <45C77167.4030106@futuresource.com> Message-ID: It will be a bit more involved, but the reporting will be much better if you consider using an IDS such as Snort. It has the ability to detect the scans based on certain criteria that you can define. -Abe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 10:03 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SSH John Lucas wrote: > Port scanning is the examination of remote systems for available services and > is a usual preliminary used by "crackers" to exploit a vulnerable service for > break-in. In this case it probably means that tcp port 22 on *many* remote > systems were being probed to see if the service is accessable. Next step > would be to determine the version of the service and what platform it is on > to see if it can be exploited. As an example a simple "telnet somehost 22" > might return: "SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.5p1". There could be automated tools that > discover vulnerable systems and also automates the exploit (one does not have > to be clever). > > AFAIK there is no current exploit on recent SSH services, so one would have to > be looking for really old versions. There is a lot of brute force password guessing going on, though, so there are probably automated scripts and perhaps trojans of some sort doing it. If you have port 22 open inbound, you'll probably see a lot of login attempts with user names that don't exist and/or bad passwords. If you have a port that can monitor all outbound connections you can: tcpdump port 22 and watch for one internal address trying to connect to a lot of different destinations. If you've connected to the monitor host via ssh yourself, make that: tcpdump port 22 and not host my_ip_address to keep your own traffic from cluttering what you see. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 19:07:59 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:07:59 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer stopped working: "/usr/lib/cups/backend/socketfailed" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think my problem was that the usb port on the client was not working properly. I changed to another usb port and it seemed to fix it. On 06/02/07, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I just had the same problem Krsnedu. The problem for me is I had to use > Cups admin http://localhost:631 to start the printers. Solved my > problem. > > -Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Cisna [mailto:brcisna at eazylivin.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:26 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Printer stopped working: > "/usr/lib/cups/backend/socketfailed" > > Krsnendu, > > A simple troubleshoot would be to from another client or server just do > ' telnet 9100 ' This would be if you have a HP jet direct > printer configred for this client #.This will tell you if you have > connectivity across the network to the specified printer. > Ive found setting up a usb printer as an HP jet direct /network printer > works pretty reliably. > > If you get a response go to ' http localhost 631 ' in your webbrowser, > stop and restart the troubled printer there. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 19:32:01 2007 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:32:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] SSH Message-ID: <284128.29744.qm@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think John Lucas has got it right in his post below. Your ISP is saying that somebody on *your* network is doing the port-scanning. If it's coming from a Linux machine, the program being used is probably nmap. Here's an idea that I don't know how to implement, but perhaps someone on the list could help: Replace your nmap binary with a script that reports to you who called that script (ie, which user attempted to use nmap). I would only do this if there are no legitimate reasons for your users to use nmap. -Rob On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 01:24:50PM -0400, John Lucas wrote: > It is important that you find out who on your network is port scanning. If you > are behind a NAT firewall, it could be coming from any host on your net, not > just the Linux hosts. First step would be to monitor your net just *inside* > your perimeter firewall with a protocol analyzer (filtering tcp port 22) to > find out which host is doing the scanning. If you connect to the firewall > through a switch, you will have to put the protocol analyzer (i.e. ethereal) > on "monitor port" on a managed switch or insert a hub (not a switch) inline > on an unmanaged switch so that all net traffic can be "seen" by the analyzer. > > Next find out who is logged into that host and what processes are running. If > it *is* your linux host, look for who is running typical scanning programs > (i.e. nmap) and deal with that user. You can also disable or remove such > software by changing ownership and permissions (allow only those in group > wheel to run nmap for instance). Linux hosts are not the only ones capable of > port scanning. > > There is the possibility that some computer on your net has been hacked. Check > out the procedures for recovery at http://www.cert.org/ > > It is also possible that your ISP has jumped the gun, so insist on seeing the > evidence and make sure it is scanning and not legitimate ssh usage. You might > restrict outgoing traffic more strictly, including blocking outgoing ssh > traffic until the problem is found and fixed. You could (for instance) block > outgoing outbound tcp/22, and still run sshd on an alternate port for > incoming traffic (in a pinch). > > That ought to get you started; good luck. > > > On Monday 05 February 2007 12:25, Tim Hart wrote: > > I am getting my Linux servers shut down by by ISP for outbound ssh > > scanning. I can turn it off but would like to know what the issue could be > > so I can still use ssh. Ideas? > > > > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From jon at spriggs.org.uk Mon Feb 5 21:37:54 2007 From: jon at spriggs.org.uk (Jon Spriggs) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:37:54 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96df2e0b0702051337l7d21d586wa11f408e98818ff3@mail.gmail.com> Hi there Tim, I don't know how many systems we're talking about here, but it might be worth doing a couple of things. If you use a Linux machine as your Internet router, install Wireshark (which is the new name for Ethereal) on there. If you don't use Linux on your router, put a hub in between all your switches and your internet router - likely to be no more than about 3 or 4 at a guess, then attach a desktop machine to each of the hubs, on which should be installed something like Fedora or another desktop distro, and then install Wireshark on these machines. You should be monitoring for (as previously mentioned) port 22 for all outbound traffic, for example, if your internal network is 10.0.0.0 and your netmask is 255.255.255.0 then your filter is: tcp.port == 22 && ip.dst != 10.0.0.0/24 This will then show you the originating server for all your outbound SSH requests. Next, you isolate the machine. If it's not a machine you manage, you'll have to figure out which box on the network it is. If you can resolve the ARP address, then you can look on your switches (assuming they are managed switches) to see which port the machine is plugged into, or you'll just have to do a massive amount of pinging against that IP address, and look at the traffic lights on the switches to see which port is receiving a lot of traffic. Unplug the box and wait to see who moans that their computer has stopped working, then pull the owner to one side and give them a dressing down about letting someone use their machine (because obviously it *won't* be them LOL). If it's a machine that you manage, then you should remove any tools like NMAP from it, and then take two things, either a DD image or a tar of the machine's hard disks for evidence, and then an MD5SUM of all the files on the server. This should be fairly easy to do by using the find command and the md5sum command... but I'll admit, offhand my bash-scripting knowledge is a bit lacking. You should also use the find command to make a list of all files on the drive. Next, send an e-mail to all users of that box saying that you've had your upstream connection blocked due to an issue which you have located as originating on this box, and then wait a day or so. Take another snapshot of the drive, and compare the MD5SUMs of the files on the server against those you took the day before, and whatever has changed see if the original snapshot of those files looks like NMAP or similar. Check your login logs (if you make them) and see who logged in in that 24 hours. See which user owns the file that has changed (and pray it's not "root:root") and then confront the user. If that doesn't work, then monitor your wireshark logs and see at what time of day the traffic is being generated. If it's outside your normal operating hours, check the crontabs for all your users, see what ps aux throws up - especially for high processor usage or long-running tasks. You can also try using ntop to see what processes are running "hot" as far as network traffic goes. And after all that lot, phone your ISP and tell them that you've sorted the problem, and that if they have any further issues, rather than cutting you off at the ISP level, maybe they should contact a local administrator, such as yourself, and provide your phone number. Or, just drop outbound port 22 at your firewall :) Regards, Jon On 2/5/07, Tim Hart wrote: > I am getting my Linux servers shut down by by ISP for outbound ssh > scanning. I can turn it off but would like to know what the issue could be > so I can still use ssh. Ideas? > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at hvja.org Tue Feb 6 00:02:13 2007 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:02:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap.secret .. Huck's bane. Message-ID: <45C7C585.2040406@hvja.org> I've tried and tried...google'n left and right... this is the log before creating a /etc/ldap.secret file and putting in the passwd(from using slappasswd -s ) Feb 5 15:37:19 ltsp gdm[32053]: pam_ldap: could not open secret file /etc/ldap.secret (No such file or directory) Feb 5 15:37:21 ltsp dbus-daemon: nss_ldap: reconnected to LDAP server ldap://127.0.0.1/ after 1 attempt Feb 5 15:37:29 ltsp passwd: pam_ldap: could not open secret file /etc/ldap.secret (No such file or directory) Feb 5 15:37:32 ltsp passwd: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user "uid=huckda,ou=Users,dc=hvja,dc=org" (Invalid credentials) Feb 5 15:37:47 ltsp passwd: pam_ldap: could not open secret file /etc/ldap.secret (No such file or directory) Feb 5 15:38:03 ltsp passwd: pam_ldap: ldap_modify_s Insufficient access after creating the /etc/ldap.secret file with the passwd in it... I get this: Feb 5 15:50:31 ltsp gdm[1340]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind (Invalid credentials) Feb 5 15:50:33 ltsp gdm[1340]: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server ldap://127.0.0.1/: Invalid credentials Feb 5 15:50:33 ltsp gdm[1340]: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server ldap://127.0.0.1/: Invalid credentials Feb 5 15:50:33 ltsp gdm[1340]: nss_ldap: reconnecting to LDAP server (sleeping 4 seconds)... Feb 5 15:50:37 ltsp gdm[1340]: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server ldap://127.0.0.1/: Invalid credentials Feb 5 15:50:37 ltsp gdm[1340]: nss_ldap: reconnecting to LDAP server (sleeping 8 seconds)... Feb 5 15:50:41 ltsp gdm[1356]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind (Invalid credentials) Feb 5 15:50:45 ltsp gdm[1340]: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server ldap://127.0.0.1/: Invalid credentials Feb 5 15:50:45 ltsp gdm[1340]: nss_ldap: reconnecting to LDAP server (sleeping 16 seconds)... Feb 5 15:51:23 ltsp gdm[1356]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind (Invalid credentials) Feb 5 15:51:32 ltsp gdm[1548]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind (Invalid credentials) Feb 5 15:51:45 ltsp nscd: nss_ldap: reconnected to LDAP server ldap://127.0.0.1/ after 1 attempt and the passwd is the same one that I entered using the SMBLDAP installation script any ideas? --Huck From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Tue Feb 6 01:33:33 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:33:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: <45C77167.4030106@futuresource.com> References: <200702051351.36899.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <45C77167.4030106@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200702052133.33696.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Monday 05 February 2007 14:03, Les Mikesell wrote: > John Lucas wrote: > > Port scanning is the examination of remote systems for available services > > and is a usual preliminary used by "crackers" to exploit a vulnerable > > service for break-in. In this case it probably means that tcp port 22 on > > *many* remote systems were being probed to see if the service is > > accessable. Next step would be to determine the version of the service > > and what platform it is on to see if it can be exploited. As an example a > > simple "telnet somehost 22" might return: "SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.5p1". There > > could be automated tools that discover vulnerable systems and also > > automates the exploit (one does not have to be clever). > > > > AFAIK there is no current exploit on recent SSH services, so one would > > have to be looking for really old versions. > > There is a lot of brute force password guessing going on, though, so > there are probably automated scripts and perhaps trojans of some sort > doing it. If you have port 22 open inbound, you'll probably see a lot > of login attempts with user names that don't exist and/or bad passwords. > Dictionary attacks don't look like port scanning. The ISP has to clarify what it is *exactly* they are responding to. The original poster and one of the other responders didn't know what the ISP was referring to, so I tried to explain what I *think* they were referring to and (in an earlier post) how to go about dealing with the apparent problem. > If you have a port that can monitor all outbound connections you can: > tcpdump port 22 > and watch for one internal address trying to connect to a lot of > different destinations. If you've connected to the monitor host via > ssh yourself, make that: > tcpdump port 22 and not host my_ip_address > to keep your own traffic from cluttering what you see. Right, assuming that the protocol analyzer can see the traffic and that the offending host can be identified. Many sites use NAT firewalls, making all traffic look like it comes from a single host to the outside world (i.e. the ISP). The poster would have to give more info about his net in order to get more specific assistance. From what has been described so far (next to nothing) I wouldn't assume that the scanning even comes from a Linux host. I know one thing, if the ISP cut off the entire net (or even completely cut off a single host) without direct notification and an exact description of the problem, I would be looking for a new ISP. If a user on my net is violating the ISPs policies, give me a chance to fix the problem and don't punish all my users. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Feb 6 01:47:54 2007 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:47:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] ldap.secret .. Huck's bane. In-Reply-To: <45C7C585.2040406@hvja.org> References: <45C7C585.2040406@hvja.org> Message-ID: <3154.76.179.82.249.1170726474.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> try smbpasswd -w yourpw..see if that resets it in smb.secret.. From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 6 02:10:45 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:10:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: <200702052133.33696.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <200702051351.36899.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <45C77167.4030106@futuresource.com> <200702052133.33696.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C7E3A5.20201@futuresource.com> John Lucas wrote: >> There is a lot of brute force password guessing going on, though, so >> there are probably automated scripts and perhaps trojans of some sort >> doing it. If you have port 22 open inbound, you'll probably see a lot >> of login attempts with user names that don't exist and/or bad passwords. >> > > Dictionary attacks don't look like port scanning. I suspect they do from the originating side. I see perhaps a dozen or so attempts from one site in a day. I'm guessing, but I think that same site is probably also also sending a dozen attempts to thousands of other places to keep the traffic down to a level that nobody will notice. And it's probably probing random addresses as fast as it can as well as doing some retries on the ones that accept connections. >> If you have a port that can monitor all outbound connections you can: >> tcpdump port 22 >> and watch for one internal address trying to connect to a lot of >> different destinations. If you've connected to the monitor host via >> ssh yourself, make that: >> tcpdump port 22 and not host my_ip_address >> to keep your own traffic from cluttering what you see. > > Right, assuming that the protocol analyzer can see the traffic and that the > offending host can be identified. Many sites use NAT firewalls, making all > traffic look like it comes from a single host to the outside world (i.e. the > ISP). If it is your network, you should know where to sniff or how to ask the nat device for its translations. But you could verify that the traffic exists or not even past the nat. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Tue Feb 6 05:08:02 2007 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:08:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Strategies for Dual-booting thin clients Message-ID: <45C80D32.9060400@snarlnet.com> Hi Folks, I'd love to be able to run MythFrontEnd on my thin clients. I set up MythTV a week or so ago and I'm loving it, but I'd love to leverege it to the point where I could watch it from any terminal. I've tried just installing MythTV on my K12LTSP server, but it doesn't seem to work. Googling shows that people have a hard time setting this up and suffer poor performance if they succeed. So, I stumbled on this distro "MiniMyth" ( http://linpvr.org/minimyth/document-boot.shtml ). It has an option for network booting or local booting. I'm wondering how I'd set that up alongside K12LTSP. I'm imagining some sort of boot menu at startup, or after the DHCP handshake with the K12LTSP server where I get to pick which OS gets handed to the thin client. Is this possible? Can someone point me to a tutorial/howto/clue as to how to set this up? I've set up several K12LTSP servers, LAMP servers, MythTV, but I'm still kindof just a user of Linux. I don't always "get" what's going on, so some step by step instructions would be great. The other thing I was wondering is if the above isn't possible, can I get some sort of small, silent solid state "hard drive" that I'd put in my thin clients. Then I could boot some sort of boot loader on that that would let me boot local (minimyth) or network K12LTSP. If this strikes people as the best option where could I get those "hard drives" and how do I figure out how to create that boot menu? Obviously, I'm open to any options. Thank you for your time. ck From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Feb 6 05:15:00 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:45:00 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Strategies for Dual-booting thin clients In-Reply-To: <45C80D32.9060400@snarlnet.com> References: <45C80D32.9060400@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <774593a20702052115p4ad6b439ha441b70c3237bfb7@mail.gmail.com> On 06/02/07, Carl Keil wrote: > The other thing I was wondering is if the above isn't possible, can I > get some sort of small, silent solid state "hard drive" that I'd put in > my thin clients. Then I could boot some sort of boot loader on that > that would let me boot local (minimyth) or network K12LTSP. If this > strikes people as the best option where could I get those "hard drives" > and how do I figure out how to create that boot menu? puppy linux? -- Regards, Sudev Barar From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Feb 6 14:14:52 2007 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:14:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP in use Video? In-Reply-To: <20070205141910.M40839@winonacotter.org> References: <20070201213559.M27678@winonacotter.org> <1170426531.3107.4.camel@BACI-W> <20070205141910.M40839@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40966.169.244.70.146.1170771292.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Jim: Any of this help you?..biggest problem is you cant see the redhat screen on the macs for the screendoor effect? http://www.ellsworthschools.org/brochure/video/vintage.html From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 6 17:14:50 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:14:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple of updates Message-ID: <45C8B78A.4080800@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I uploaded a couple of K12LTSP-specific updates. Dan Young found that the libflashsupport package would not play some videos when SELinux is enabled & provided a patch to fix it. I uploaded packages for K12LTSP 4.2.3EL, 5.0, & 6.0 yum install libflashsupport For K12LTSP 6.0, I noticed that the sound configuration in the LTSP packages was slightly different than previous versions (it did not include the "-public" flag). This has been patched & new K12LTSP 6.0 packages uploaded. yum install ltsp_i386 -Eric From robark at gmail.com Tue Feb 6 17:26:26 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:26:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Strategies for Dual-booting thin clients In-Reply-To: <774593a20702052115p4ad6b439ha441b70c3237bfb7@mail.gmail.com> References: <45C80D32.9060400@snarlnet.com> <774593a20702052115p4ad6b439ha441b70c3237bfb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/5/07, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 06/02/07, Carl Keil wrote: > > The other thing I was wondering is if the above isn't possible, can I > > get some sort of small, silent solid state "hard drive" that I'd put in > > my thin clients. Then I could boot some sort of boot loader on that > > that would let me boot local (minimyth) or network K12LTSP. If this > > strikes people as the best option where could I get those "hard drives" > > and how do I figure out how to create that boot menu? > > puppy linux? Slax > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 6 17:36:20 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:36:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Strategies for Dual-booting thin clients In-Reply-To: References: <45C80D32.9060400@snarlnet.com> <774593a20702052115p4ad6b439ha441b70c3237bfb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C8BC94.6030202@futuresource.com> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 2/5/07, Sudev Barar wrote: >> On 06/02/07, Carl Keil wrote: >> > The other thing I was wondering is if the above isn't possible, can I >> > get some sort of small, silent solid state "hard drive" that I'd put in >> > my thin clients. Then I could boot some sort of boot loader on that >> > that would let me boot local (minimyth) or network K12LTSP. If this >> > strikes people as the best option where could I get those "hard drives" >> > and how do I figure out how to create that boot menu? >> >> puppy linux? > > Slax If the clients can boot from CD, how about the Knoppmyth iso that you can boot with the 'frontend' option? But, if you are going to have a local install, why not let it run all the time and run nx or xnest or 'X -query server' when you want to be a thin client? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Feb 6 18:15:48 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:15:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple of updates In-Reply-To: <45C8B78A.4080800@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45C8B78A.4080800@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45C8C5D4.7010405@cmosnetworks.com> Hi Eric, I am running 4.2.3EL, so I've been playing around with all the new Flash uploads that you've done this year. Looks like sound is an issue with Flash 9, generally, though Flash 7 did give me audio. Will give these new packages a try tonight and see how it goes. Just to make sure, there isn't a special handshake that you've got to do w/ the new Flash, beyond what's been posted to the lists, to make sound work, is there? I mean something discovered recently. Thanks! --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Eric Harrison wrote: > I uploaded a couple of K12LTSP-specific updates. > > Dan Young found that the libflashsupport package would not play some > videos when SELinux is enabled & provided a patch to fix it. I uploaded > packages for K12LTSP 4.2.3EL, 5.0, & 6.0 > > yum install libflashsupport > > > For K12LTSP 6.0, I noticed that the sound configuration in the LTSP > packages was slightly different than previous versions (it did not > include the "-public" flag). This has been patched & new K12LTSP 6.0 > packages uploaded. > > yum install ltsp_i386 > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Feb 6 18:18:01 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:18:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP in use Video? In-Reply-To: <40966.169.244.70.146.1170771292.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <20070201213559.M27678@winonacotter.org> <1170426531.3107.4.camel@BACI-W> <20070205141910.M40839@winonacotter.org> <40966.169.244.70.146.1170771292.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <20070206181704.M89000@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:14:52 -0500 (EST), cliebow wrote > Jim: Any of this help you?..biggest problem is you cant see the > redhat screen on the macs for the screendoor effect? > > http://www.ellsworthschools.org/brochure/video/vintage.html Thanks Chuck. I'll watch this a little later and see. I am sure some of it should be of good use. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Feb 7 02:58:19 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:58:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT- wine and user accounts Message-ID: <43354.192.168.254.3.1170817099.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Ron,,,again,,, Ask and ye shall receive,,:) I found on an Ubuntu forum the following. Install all your Windows apps under wine as a user. Dont make any diff who the user is. Once you have them all installed,log into the server as root via VNC or console. Make a folder called /wine. Make sure all your hidden folders are showing. Now, copy everything under the users homefolder/.wine that you installed the windows apps under. Make sure you select All the sub folders under user/home/.wine to > /wine. Should be ./wine/dosdevices /drive_c & three .reg files >to /wine. Now you can make a launcher as root and drag to "everyone gets the launcher" on the roots desktop or make a launcher for just a few users,by username. I DID try this and it does work .Make sure in the wine(newfolder) subfolders everything is chmod -c -R 755 /wine/ This will give you Windows apps system wide and makes all the Winders users happy! Hope thus helps. Take care, Barry Cisna westcentral school From scott at hosef.org Wed Feb 7 03:08:39 2007 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:08:39 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP in use Video? In-Reply-To: <20070206181704.M89000@winonacotter.org> References: <20070201213559.M27678@winonacotter.org> <1170426531.3107.4.camel@BACI-W> <20070205141910.M40839@winonacotter.org> <40966.169.244.70.146.1170771292.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <20070206181704.M89000@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <45C942B7.6080503@hosef.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:14:52 -0500 (EST), cliebow wrote >> Jim: Any of this help you?..biggest problem is you cant see the >> redhat screen on the macs for the screendoor effect? >> >> http://www.ellsworthschools.org/brochure/video/vintage.html > > Thanks Chuck. I'll watch this a little later and see. I am sure some of it > should be of good use. > Last year I visited Daniel and William to see the work they were doing in Atlanta. In addition to pictures, I shot some video. Pages 3 and 4 of the gallery have some video of teachers discussing how they use the technology as well as a few revisions of the laptop carts they built. http://www.hosef.org/gallery2/v/gosef/?g2_page=3 --scott From toddobryan at mac.com Wed Feb 7 15:48:43 2007 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:48:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Limiting memory use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1170863323.4923.4.camel@200-8143-202-01> I'm using Ubuntu 6.10. I teach programming and students will frequently create an infinitely recursive function that eats up more and more memory. If they don't realize what they've done and stop the program, eventually we run out of RAM, start hitting the virtual memory, and the whole lab comes to a grinding halt as the system thrashes itself to oblivion. Is there any way to limit the memory that a process can suck up so that this doesn't happen? Thanks, Todd From k12osn at deltacfax.com Wed Feb 7 16:05:40 2007 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:05:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Limiting memory use In-Reply-To: <1170863323.4923.4.camel@200-8143-202-01> References: <1170863323.4923.4.camel@200-8143-202-01> Message-ID: <45C9F8D4.6060102@deltacfax.com> Todd O'Bryan wrote: >I'm using Ubuntu 6.10. > >I teach programming and students will frequently create an infinitely >recursive function that eats up more and more memory. If they don't >realize what they've done and stop the program, eventually we run out of >RAM, start hitting the virtual memory, and the whole lab comes to a >grinding halt as the system thrashes itself to oblivion. > >Is there any way to limit the memory that a process can suck up so that >this doesn't happen? > >Thanks, >Todd > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Take a look at ulimit > [timborn at elliott ~]$ ulimit -a > core file size (blocks, -c) 0 > data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited > file size (blocks, -f) unlimited > pending signals (-i) 24574 > max locked memory (kbytes, -l) 32 > max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited > open files (-n) 1024 > pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 > POSIX message queues (bytes, -q) 819200 > stack size (kbytes, -s) 10240 > cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited > max user processes (-u) 24574 > virtual memory (kbytes, -v) unlimited > file locks (-x) unlimited You should be able to set system wide limits by adding a file in /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh: cat /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh ulimit -m 1024 From thewhitmers at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 16:07:04 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:07:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] slow SSH login problem Message-ID: A minor problem recently appeared on one of our school's K12LTSP servers. Beginning about two weeks ago, logging into this server remotely via SSH began to take about 2 minutes (this used to take only a few seconds). Once logged in, everything works okay over the SSH connection. In fact, I'm not having any other problems with this server. This server is running K12LTSP 6.0 (the version based on FC6). Our school has some other K12LTSP servers, all running v5 (FC5), and none of those are experiencing this particular SSH login problem. I normally manually run yum update once a week on our servers. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can check? Or ideas on what the problem might be? (I'll have time to try some things this evening.) Thanks! David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: the.whitmers at gmail.com From ARolick at fillmore.k12.ca.us Wed Feb 7 16:15:03 2007 From: ARolick at fillmore.k12.ca.us (Abraham Rolick) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:15:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] slow SSH login problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could this be the traditional reverse DNS lookup problem? Check out your 'sshd_config' file and try setting UseDNS to no. -Abe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Whitmer Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:07 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] slow SSH login problem A minor problem recently appeared on one of our school's K12LTSP servers. Beginning about two weeks ago, logging into this server remotely via SSH began to take about 2 minutes (this used to take only a few seconds). Once logged in, everything works okay over the SSH connection. In fact, I'm not having any other problems with this server. This server is running K12LTSP 6.0 (the version based on FC6). Our school has some other K12LTSP servers, all running v5 (FC5), and none of those are experiencing this particular SSH login problem. I normally manually run yum update once a week on our servers. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can check? Or ideas on what the problem might be? (I'll have time to try some things this evening.) Thanks! David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: the.whitmers at gmail.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From k12osn at deltacfax.com Wed Feb 7 16:15:49 2007 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:15:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] slow SSH login problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C9FB35.9010904@deltacfax.com> Start by looking at what changed in the past two weeks: rpm -qa -last An update to ssh in the past two weeks might cause you to roll it back to see if that is causing the problem. You might see something else in that list that triggers other ideas. best, -tim David Whitmer wrote: > A minor problem recently appeared on one of our school's K12LTSP servers. > > Beginning about two weeks ago, logging into this server remotely via > SSH began to take about 2 minutes (this used to take only a few > seconds). Once logged in, everything works okay over the SSH > connection. In fact, I'm not having any other problems with this > server. > > This server is running K12LTSP 6.0 (the version based on FC6). Our > school has some other K12LTSP servers, all running v5 (FC5), and none > of those are experiencing this particular SSH login problem. > > I normally manually run yum update once a week on our servers. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can check? Or ideas on > what the problem might be? (I'll have time to try some things this > evening.) > > Thanks! > > David Whitmer > Director of Media & Technology > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > email: the.whitmers at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From phawxhurst at hotmail.com Wed Feb 7 16:17:20 2007 From: phawxhurst at hotmail.com (Peter Hawxhurst) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:17:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HAS ANYWONE GOTTEN EDU 6.06 TO RUN ON HP PAV DV2000? Message-ID: Hi, i have installed both the i386 and amd64 versions of edu on my hp pavilion dv2000 but it fails to identify the broadcom wireless card?? any ideas? thanks. peace Peter Hawxhurst phawxhurst at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 17:01:56 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:01:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] slow SSH login problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200702071301.56898.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Wednesday 07 February 2007 12:07, David Whitmer wrote: > A minor problem recently appeared on one of our school's K12LTSP servers. > > Beginning about two weeks ago, logging into this server remotely via > SSH began to take about 2 minutes (this used to take only a few > seconds). Once logged in, everything works okay over the SSH > connection. In fact, I'm not having any other problems with this > server. > > This server is running K12LTSP 6.0 (the version based on FC6). Our > school has some other K12LTSP servers, all running v5 (FC5), and none > of those are experiencing this particular SSH login problem. > > I normally manually run yum update once a week on our servers. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can check? Or ideas on > what the problem might be? (I'll have time to try some things this > evening.) > Are you by any chance using LDAP or NIS authentication? If an authentication service is under-performing, logins will become painful. DNS might be another problem. If you have more than one nameserver listed in /etc/resolv.conf, try testing the responsiveness of each one listed with: dig @nameserverIP www.google.com where "nameserverIP" is replaced by the IP address of each of the nameservers listed in /etc/resolv.conf. It may be that the you are failing your way through each nameserver in turn before you are finally able to resolve names (or falling though altogether). Turning off DNS lookups for sshd (/etc/ssh/sshd_config "UseDNS no") will work around the problem, but you really should fix DNS if that is the problem. It might be something changed during your updates, but I would think there would be lots of folks with the same problem. I use K12LTSP 5 and Fedora Core 6 and haven't seen this problem. Finally (and most basically) you may be experiencing link saturation on your WAN link or another network problem that is increasing your latency. If you can ping (not blocked by firewall), try pinging in *both* directions and check the return times, variation, and packet loss. It would be nice if you had a baseline for these numbers prior to the problem, but if the problem is bad enough, it will probably be obvious. Pinging your firewall from your remote location would show any WAN numbers that may turn up the problem even if your firewall blocks reaching internal hosts. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From robark at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 17:10:09 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:10:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Limiting memory use In-Reply-To: <1170863323.4923.4.camel@200-8143-202-01> References: <1170863323.4923.4.camel@200-8143-202-01> Message-ID: On 2/7/07, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > I'm using Ubuntu 6.10. > > I teach programming and students will frequently create an infinitely > recursive function that eats up more and more memory. If they don't > realize what they've done and stop the program, eventually we run out of > RAM, start hitting the virtual memory, and the whole lab comes to a > grinding halt as the system thrashes itself to oblivion. > > Is there any way to limit the memory that a process can suck up so that > this doesn't happen? Look at file /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp-limits -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From moquist at majen.net Wed Feb 7 17:12:01 2007 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:12:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: HAS ANYWONE GOTTEN EDU 6.06 TO RUN ON HP PAV DV2000? (Peter Hawxhurst) In-Reply-To: <20070207170027.2AF137344A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070207170027.2AF137344A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20070207171201.GB27494@majen.net> > From: "Peter Hawxhurst" > Subject: [K12OSN] HAS ANYWONE GOTTEN EDU 6.06 TO RUN ON HP PAV DV2000? > i have installed both the i386 and amd64 versions of edu on my hp pavilion > dv2000 but it fails to identify the broadcom wireless card?? > any ideas? thanks. peace Yes. The broadcom driver isn't included on the installation disk. You can copy it in from any other Ubuntu system and load it during install, or you should have it once you reboot. If you don't have it even after you reboot, I would recommend copying it in, insmodding it, and then installing linux-image-generic right away, which is what you should do anyway...details below. ***************************************** NOTE TO EVERY EDUBUNTU ADMIN: Immediately after you install Edubuntu and reboot, install the 'linux-image-generic' package, make sure it will boot by default (edit /boot/grub/menu.lst), and then reboot again. linux-image-generic will give you SMP support. You will not have SMP support until you install another kernel than the default, and linux-image-generic is the recommended kernel. ***************************************** Details: copy /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/bnx2.ko off of another Ubuntu system (install linux-image-2.6.17-10-386 if necessary to get it) onto a thumb drive, then stick that thumb drive into your Edubuntu server. If you're currently installing, ALT+F1 (maybe ALT+F2) will give you a terminal, where you can do something like this: $ cat /proc/partitions "Hmm... /dev/sdb looks like my USB stick. I'll use that." ...this could be /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1, etc. $ mkdir /mnt/tmp $ mount /dev/sdb /mnt/tmp $ cp /mnt/bnx2.ko /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/ $ umount /mnt/tmp $ insmod /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/bnx2.ko --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Wed Feb 7 18:49:00 2007 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:49:00 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Re:=20HAS=20ANYWONE=20GOT?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?TEN=20EDU=206.06=20TO=20RUN=20ON=20HP=20PAV=20DV2000=3F?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20(Peter=20Hawxhurst)?= In-Reply-To: <20070207171201.GB27494@majen.net> References: <20070207170027.2AF137344A@hormel.redhat.com> <20070207171201.GB27494@majen.net> Message-ID: <45C9D8CC020000BB0000285F@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> If the info. below doesn't work, i got the Wireless Broadcom nic on a dv-2020 to work using ndiswrapper. It was under Suse 10.1. Guy Lessard Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais Gatineau, Qu?bec Canada >>> Matt Oquist 2007-02-07 12:12:01 >>> > From: "Peter Hawxhurst" > Subject: [K12OSN] HAS ANYWONE GOTTEN EDU 6.06 TO RUN ON HP PAV DV2000? > i have installed both the i386 and amd64 versions of edu on my hp pavilion > dv2000 but it fails to identify the broadcom wireless card?? > any ideas? thanks. peace Yes. The broadcom driver isn't included on the installation disk. You can copy it in from any other Ubuntu system and load it during install, or you should have it once you reboot. If you don't have it even after you reboot, I would recommend copying it in, insmodding it, and then installing linux-image-generic right away, which is what you should do anyway...details below. ***************************************** NOTE TO EVERY EDUBUNTU ADMIN: Immediately after you install Edubuntu and reboot, install the 'linux-image-generic' package, make sure it will boot by default (edit /boot/grub/menu.lst), and then reboot again. linux-image-generic will give you SMP support. You will not have SMP support until you install another kernel than the default, and linux-image-generic is the recommended kernel. ***************************************** Details: copy /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/bnx2.ko off of another Ubuntu system (install linux-image-2.6.17-10-386 if necessary to get it) onto a thumb drive, then stick that thumb drive into your Edubuntu server. If you're currently installing, ALT+F1 (maybe ALT+F2) will give you a terminal, where you can do something like this: $ cat /proc/partitions "Hmm... /dev/sdb looks like my USB stick. I'll use that." ...this could be /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1, etc. $ mkdir /mnt/tmp $ mount /dev/sdb /mnt/tmp $ cp /mnt/bnx2.ko /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/ $ umount /mnt/tmp $ insmod /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/bnx2.ko --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Tom Wolfe From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Feb 7 20:25:29 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:25:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT- wine and user accounts Message-ID: <20070207132529.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.ad68dd3ad4.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Barry, It worked like a charm. Thanks sooooooo much for the helpful reply! Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] OT- wine and user accounts > From: Barry Cisna > Date: Tue, February 06, 2007 8:58 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Hi Ron,,,again,,, > > Ask and ye shall receive,,:) I found on an Ubuntu forum the following. > Install all your Windows apps under wine as a user. Dont make any diff > who the user is. Once you have them all installed,log into the server as > root via VNC or console. Make a folder called /wine. Make sure all your > hidden folders are showing. Now, copy everything under the users > homefolder/.wine that you installed the windows apps under. Make sure you > select All the sub folders under user/home/.wine to > /wine. Should be > ./wine/dosdevices /drive_c & three .reg files >to /wine. Now you can make > a launcher as root and drag to "everyone gets the launcher" on the roots > desktop or make a launcher for just a few users,by username. > I DID try this and it does work .Make sure in the wine(newfolder) > subfolders everything is > chmod -c -R 755 /wine/ > This will give you Windows apps system wide and makes all the Winders > users happy! > Hope thus helps. > > Take care, > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From k12ltsp at morleyschool.net Wed Feb 7 20:48:18 2007 From: k12ltsp at morleyschool.net (K12ltsp) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:48:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommendations on computer lab furniture Message-ID: <353d3b7e8f8062102e0afb1f70db6b9b@morleyschool.net> We're looking at getting new computer lab desks to replace the collapsing collapsible tables we've got now... Dow anyone have any suggestions? I'm looking for normal lab-style desks as well as something that would be really compact along a wall. Preferably a Canadian manufacturer/distributor, we are located west of Calgary. Regards, Tom Wolfe Morley, AB From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 01:20:50 2007 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:20:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Strategies for Dual-booting thin clients Message-ID: <104029.61823.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I run MythTV at home on the same machine that is my terminal server. I've had trouble getting it to play properly on my thin clients. I think it might come down to the specs on my video card, because different cards seem to perform differently for me. Ironically, my newest video card (a Radeon 9200SE) only gives me a black screen when I try to watch a recording using mythfrontend. That same video card is capable of watching mpeg videos through mplayer, though. My terminal server is relatively underpowered--2.0 Celeron w/ 512MB RAM. That could be my trouble, but I don't think it is. I think it's either network bandwidth or a video card issue. If you want to boot from something silent, how about a usb thumbdrive? (Assuming your bios is capable of that). -Rob On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 09:08:02PM -0800, Carl Keil wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'd love to be able to run MythFrontEnd on my thin clients. I set up > MythTV a week or so ago and I'm loving it, but I'd love to leverege it > to the point where I could watch it from any terminal. I've tried just > installing MythTV on my K12LTSP server, but it doesn't seem to work. > Googling shows that people have a hard time setting this up and suffer > poor performance if they succeed. > > So, I stumbled on this distro "MiniMyth" ( > http://linpvr.org/minimyth/document-boot.shtml ). It has an option for > network booting or local booting. I'm wondering how I'd set that up > alongside K12LTSP. I'm imagining some sort of boot menu at startup, or > after the DHCP handshake with the K12LTSP server where I get to pick > which OS gets handed to the thin client. Is this possible? Can someone > point me to a tutorial/howto/clue as to how to set this up? I've set up > several K12LTSP servers, LAMP servers, MythTV, but I'm still kindof just > a user of Linux. I don't always "get" what's going on, so some step by > step instructions would be great. > > The other thing I was wondering is if the above isn't possible, can I > get some sort of small, silent solid state "hard drive" that I'd put in > my thin clients. Then I could boot some sort of boot loader on that > that would let me boot local (minimyth) or network K12LTSP. If this > strikes people as the best option where could I get those "hard drives" > and how do I figure out how to create that boot menu? > > Obviously, I'm open to any options. > > Thank you for your time. > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front From thewhitmers at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 03:50:17 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:50:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] slow SSH login problem In-Reply-To: <200702071301.56898.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <200702071301.56898.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for your advice. When I checked the server, SSH logins is working fine now. I had done a yum update last weekend... perhaps that corrected something. I did check sshd_config. The "UseDNS" line was already commented out. Would it default to "no" in that case, or "yes". SSH login is working now, so many it doesn't matter too much right now. To answer another response, this particular server only uses local authentication... no LDAP or NIS. Ping responses were okay, too. Thank you all for your advice! David Whitmer From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Feb 8 11:03:49 2007 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:03:49 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] HAS ANYWONE GOTTEN EDU 6.06 TO RUN ON HP PAV DV2000? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1579.200.214.74.35.1170932629.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ping responses were okay, too. > Yes, and you currently are not experiencing the problem either. Take some baseline ping mesurements now while it is working correctly; if the problem crops up again, you will have something to compare to. If the problem returns, test DNS directly by using "dig" with each of your nameservers too. I don't think your updates had anything to do with creating or fixing the problem; it may have been a transient problem on your ISP's network and may never show up again or something no one has mentioned yet, but it is a good idea to develop some systematic diagnostics and taking baseline data is a good place to start. If you can use "traceroute" (many firewalls prevent it's use) it would be a good idea to record the route to several well known locations (like www.google.com for instance); then if a problem crops up you can see if your routing has changed or where it stops. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 15:30:15 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:30:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] msttfonts? Message-ID: <9bd317560702080730n60004d4cg98e90c508d23dbf@mail.gmail.com> Is it me or is the msttfonts missing form the fc6 k12ltsp repo? thanks, Peter From nils at breun.nl Thu Feb 8 15:51:35 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:51:35 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] msttfonts? In-Reply-To: <9bd317560702080730n60004d4cg98e90c508d23dbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560702080730n60004d4cg98e90c508d23dbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is it me or is the msttfonts missing form the fc6 k12ltsp repo? It has never been part of the Fedora repository, maybe because of its questionable legal status. Fedora FAQ has an entry on installing TrueType fonts and this includes instructions on building your own msttcorefonts rpm and installing it. It's pretty simple (six commands): Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 8 17:08:15 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:08:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] msttfonts? In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560702080730n60004d4cg98e90c508d23dbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45CB58FF.6060500@futuresource.com> Nils Breunese wrote: > Peter Hartmann wrote: > >> Is it me or is the msttfonts missing form the fc6 k12ltsp repo? > > It has never been part of the Fedora repository, maybe because of its > questionable legal status. Fedora FAQ has an entry on installing > TrueType fonts and this includes instructions on building your own > msttcorefonts rpm and installing it. It's pretty simple (six commands): > Is something wrong with double-clicking the 'Install additional software' folder on root's desktop, then the 'Get Fonts' icon? Or if you don't log into the GUI you can execute /usr/sbin/get.msttcorefonts from the command line. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 17:53:02 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:53:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] msttfonts? In-Reply-To: <45CB58FF.6060500@futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560702080730n60004d4cg98e90c508d23dbf@mail.gmail.com> <45CB58FF.6060500@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560702080953r29a83ce2m9f239c15bbf93886@mail.gmail.com> thanks y'all Les, I always forget to look at roots Desktop... Though it's mostly out of fear of screwing up the system :) Peter On 2/8/07, Les Mikesell wrote: > Nils Breunese wrote: > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > >> Is it me or is the msttfonts missing form the fc6 k12ltsp repo? > > > > It has never been part of the Fedora repository, maybe because of its > > questionable legal status. Fedora FAQ has an entry on installing > > TrueType fonts and this includes instructions on building your own > > msttcorefonts rpm and installing it. It's pretty simple (six commands): > > > > Is something wrong with double-clicking the 'Install additional > software' folder on root's desktop, then the 'Get Fonts' icon? > > Or if you don't log into the GUI you can execute > /usr/sbin/get.msttcorefonts > from the command line. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Feb 8 18:12:14 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:12:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Typing Program Message-ID: <45CB131C.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Hello World! Does anyone know of a web- based typing program that is focused on elementary students? We currently are using type to learn, but I need to run it on a Linux based thin client. It needs to be able to keep track of student progress and able to generate reports. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Feb 8 18:20:35 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 10:20:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Typing Program In-Reply-To: <45CB131C.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45CB131C.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <45CB69F3.6010700@paasda.org> Ktouch does that does it not? non-web-based. --Huck Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Hello World! > > Does anyone know of a web- based typing program that is focused on > elementary students? We currently are using type to learn, but I need > to > run it on a Linux based thin client. It needs to be able to keep track > of student progress and able to generate reports. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Feb 8 18:23:02 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:23:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Typing Program In-Reply-To: <45CB69F3.6010700@paasda.org> References: <45CB131C.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <45CB69F3.6010700@paasda.org> Message-ID: <45CB15A5.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> when I tried ktouch, did the lesson, then logged off and back on, the statistics were lost. I need to be able to keep track to show student progress >>> Huck 02/08/07 12:20 PM >>> Ktouch does that does it not? non- web- based. -- Huck Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Hello World! > > Does anyone know of a web- based typing program that is focused on > elementary students? We currently are using type to learn, but I need > to > run it on a Linux based thin client. It needs to be able to keep track > of student progress and able to generate reports. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Feb 8 18:31:41 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 10:31:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Typing Program In-Reply-To: <45CB15A5.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45CB131C.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <45CB69F3.6010700@paasda.org> <45CB15A5.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <45CB6C8D.7070604@paasda.org> sounds like a 'write' rights issue...or is there some known bug with ktouch and ltsp? Daniel Kuecker wrote: > when I tried ktouch, did the lesson, then logged off and back on, the > statistics were lost. I need to be able to keep track to show student > progress > >>>> Huck 02/08/07 12:20 PM >>> > Ktouch does that does it not? > > non- web- based. > > -- Huck > > Daniel Kuecker wrote: >> Hello World! >> >> Does anyone know of a web- based typing program that is focused on >> elementary students? We currently are using type to learn, but I > need >> to >> run it on a Linux based thin client. It needs to be able to keep > track >> of student progress and able to generate reports. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com Thu Feb 8 18:39:45 2007 From: Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com (Theo Turner) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:39:45 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Typing Program Message-ID: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34C902F@server.CumnorHouse.local> Try the BBC Online Typing Tutor. It's free and excellent. http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/typing/ Theo -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Kuecker Sent: 08 February 2007 18:12 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Typing Program Hello World! Does anyone know of a web- based typing program that is focused on elementary students? We currently are using type to learn, but I need to run it on a Linux based thin client. It needs to be able to keep track of student progress and able to generate reports. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 21:03:30 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:03:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Pam_mount In-Reply-To: <45C6FD32.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45C6FD32.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <2be970b50702081303h45572805r11fbf10d2f228f0e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Daniel, Can you mount windows shares manually using your AD credentials? Does SMBClient act as expected? John On 2/5/07, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > Hello everyone! > > I have been tryinh to figure out a problem I am having with pam_mount. > I have k12LTSP 6 installed and authenticating with windows AD. I have > setup home directory mounting via pam_mount, however, it does not appear > to be mounting anything. It did work before. The log files show it > trying to mount, but there are no error messeges other than it trying to > unmount and saying it is not mounted. Does anyone have any suggestions > on how to trouble-shoot this? > > Thanks > Daniel > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Feb 8 21:50:49 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:50:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Pam_mount In-Reply-To: <2be970b50702081303h45572805r11fbf10d2f228f0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <45C6FD32.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <2be970b50702081303h45572805r11fbf10d2f228f0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45CB4658.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> I did get this to work. I originally had weird problems with permissions and through my trouble-shooting it stopped mounting. i rechecked all the config files and noticed in pam_mount.conf i Had inverted the server and share names on the mount line. As far as the weird permissions, if anyone else has the problem, i had to change the line to the following: volume * cifs SERVER SHARE /home/DOMAIN/&/mount uid=&,gid=& - - to volume * cifs SERVER SHARE /home/DOMAIN/&/mount - - - and it works great now. Thanks Daniel >>> "john " 02/08/07 3:03 PM >>> Hi Daniel, Can you mount windows shares manually using your AD credentials? Does SMBClient act as expected? John On 2/5/07, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > Hello everyone! > > I have been tryinh to figure out a problem I am having with pam_mount. > I have k12LTSP 6 installed and authenticating with windows AD. I have > setup home directory mounting via pam_mount, however, it does not appear > to be mounting anything. It did work before. The log files show it > trying to mount, but there are no error messeges other than it trying to > unmount and saying it is not mounted. Does anyone have any suggestions > on how to trouble- shoot this? > > Thanks > Daniel > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 23:56:52 2007 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:56:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] HAS ANYWONE GOTTEN EDU 6.06 TO RUN ON HP PAV DV2000? Message-ID: <20070208235653.62830.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My mother has an HP Pavilion dv6105us and it's got a Broadcom 4311 (I'm pretty sure that's the number). I installed Ubuntu 6.10 on that machine. Anyway, there's a package called bcm43xx-fwcutter. You can try that out, but it didn't work for me. It installed properly, but my internet access was extremely slow. I ended up using ndiswrapper, which worked well. I ran into a bug, though, in the way that NetworkManager interacts with the ndiswrapper driver. For whatever reason, NetworkManager loses all its wireless network settings every time you log out (but only if you're using ndiswrapper, apparently). I'm currently looking for a good wireless switching tool that works with ndiswrapper *and* WPA encryption. By the way, when I installed Linux on my sister's laptop a few years ago (which also had a Broadcom wireless card), I found it easier to just buy a new internal wireless card that would work w/ Linux. It was a mini-pci interface. My mother's Pavilion, on the other hand, doesn't seem to use a mini-pci interface (unless I'm looking at the wrong thing). Does anybody know what type of interface this card uses? The mini-pci wireless network cards are only about $20, and I'd gladly spend that amount to fix the problems w/ my mom's laptop. -Rob On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 10:17:20AM -0600, Peter Hawxhurst wrote: > Hi, > i have installed both the i386 and amd64 versions of edu on my hp pavilion > dv2000 but it fails to identify the broadcom wireless card?? > any ideas? thanks. peace > > > > Peter Hawxhurst > phawxhurst at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. > http://get.live.com/messenger/overview > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From moquist at majen.net Fri Feb 9 00:47:44 2007 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:47:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: HAS ANYWONE GOTTEN EDU 6.06 TO RUN ON HP PAV DV2000? (Peter Hawxhurst) (Matt Oquist) In-Reply-To: <20070208170021.EDE6E7347C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070208170021.EDE6E7347C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20070209004744.GA16825@majen.net> I rather badly misread the original question; sorry. I read it too fast and responded too quickly, missing the point entirely (as I see now). The stuff I said is still worth knowing about and I'm gld it's been posted to this list, but it really has nothing to do with getting a broadcom WIRELESS card working. I've never even worked with a broadcom wireless card, so I can't give any advice about that. :\ Good luck, though. --matt > > From: "Peter Hawxhurst" > > Subject: [K12OSN] HAS ANYWONE GOTTEN EDU 6.06 TO RUN ON HP PAV DV2000? > > i have installed both the i386 and amd64 versions of edu on my hp pavilion > > dv2000 but it fails to identify the broadcom wireless card?? > > any ideas? thanks. peace > > Yes. The broadcom driver isn't included on the installation disk. You > can copy it in from any other Ubuntu system and load it during > install, or you should have it once you reboot. > > If you don't have it even after you reboot, I would recommend copying > it in, insmodding it, and then installing linux-image-generic right > away, which is what you should do anyway...details below. > > ***************************************** > NOTE TO EVERY EDUBUNTU ADMIN: Immediately after you install Edubuntu > and reboot, install the 'linux-image-generic' package, make sure it > will boot by default (edit /boot/grub/menu.lst), and then reboot > again. linux-image-generic will give you SMP support. You will not > have SMP support until you install another kernel than the default, > and linux-image-generic is the recommended kernel. > ***************************************** > > Details: copy /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/bnx2.ko > off of another Ubuntu system (install linux-image-2.6.17-10-386 if > necessary to get it) onto a thumb drive, then stick that thumb drive > into your Edubuntu server. If you're currently installing, ALT+F1 > (maybe ALT+F2) will give you a terminal, where you can do something > like this: > > $ cat /proc/partitions > "Hmm... /dev/sdb looks like my USB stick. I'll use that." > ...this could be /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1, etc. > $ mkdir /mnt/tmp > $ mount /dev/sdb /mnt/tmp > $ cp /mnt/bnx2.ko /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/ > $ umount /mnt/tmp > $ insmod /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/bnx2.ko > > --matt > > -- > Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > http://majen.net/ -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 01:03:20 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:03:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] compound names stopping gnome logins Message-ID: <2be970b50702081703r306dbedfh2575d09343a51fe4@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I have one that I hope you can help me with. While most of our students have sane user names in the lastname_firstname format, some of our student users have compound user names like: user van_user . It just so happens that this user is having trouble logging in to the Gnome desktop. These compound names don't seem to cause problems if students log in via the command line. When the student trys to login in via GDM they get the following message: "Please contact your system administrator to resolve the following problem: Could not resolve the address "xml.readwrite:/home/Students/uservan_user/.gconf" in the configuration file /etc/gconf/2/path": Couldn't resolve address for configuration source: Bad address `xml:readwrite:/home/Students/user van_user/.gconf': ` ' is an invalid character in a configuration storage address" Is the problem the compound name? Where did that final ' come from on xml:readwrite:/home/Students/user van_user/.gconf' ? I hope someone here can point me in the right direction. Thanks! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Feb 9 14:01:16 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:01:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] compound names stopping gnome logins In-Reply-To: <2be970b50702081703r306dbedfh2575d09343a51fe4@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50702081703r306dbedfh2575d09343a51fe4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45CC7EAC.5040708@maltzen.net> Unless things have changed (and they may have), having a space in a user ID was never allowed in Unix/Linux. Stay away from other punctuation characters, too, if you want to avoid problems. Petre john wrote: > Hi all, > > I have one that I hope you can help me with. While most of our students > have sane user names in the lastname_firstname format, some of our > student users have compound user names like: > > user van_user . It just so happens that this user is having trouble > logging in to the Gnome desktop. > These compound names don't seem to cause problems if students log in via > the command line. When the student trys to login in via GDM they get the > following message: > > "Please contact your system administrator to resolve the following problem: > Could not resolve the address "xml.readwrite:/home/Students/user > van_user/.gconf" in the configuration file /etc/gconf/2/path": Couldn't > resolve address for configuration source: Bad address > `xml:readwrite:/home/Students/user van_user/.gconf': ` ' is an invalid > character in a configuration storage address" > > Is the problem the compound name? Where did that final ' come from on > xml:readwrite:/home/Students/user van_user/.gconf' ? > > I hope someone here can point me in the right direction. > > Thanks! > > John > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Fri Feb 9 16:38:35 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:38:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Huge security issue Message-ID: <45CC4EAC.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Hello World! Just when I thought I had everything going good. I have a huge security issue. I just noticed that i can log into my thin clients with user root and any password. actually, i can log in as any valid user with any password from GDM. IF I try to do they same with ssh, it will only allow the correct password. I have it setup to auth against ADS. I have two thin clients setup, and both are allowing this. Does anyone have any suggestions? I need to resolve this before any students figure it out and have root access..... Thanks Daniel From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 9 16:49:55 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:49:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Huge security issue In-Reply-To: <45CC4EAC.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45CC4EAC.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <45CCA633.9050901@mesd.k12.or.us> Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Just when I thought I had everything going good. I have a huge security > issue. I just noticed that i can log into my thin clients with user root > and any password. > actually, i can log in as any valid user with any password from GDM. IF > I try to do they same with ssh, it will only allow the correct password. > I have it setup to auth against ADS. I have two thin clients setup, and > both are allowing this. Does anyone have any suggestions? I need to > resolve this before any students figure it out and have root > access..... Can you show us the contents of /etc/pam.d/gdm and /etc/pam.d/system-auth? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Fri Feb 9 16:57:09 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:57:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Huge security issue In-Reply-To: <45CCA633.9050901@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45CC4EAC.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <45CCA633.9050901@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45CC5305.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> gdm: #%PAM-1.0 auth required pam_mount.so # use_first_pass auth required pam_env.so #auth include system-auth account required pam_nologin.so account include system-auth password include system-auth session optional pam_keyinit.so force revoke session include system-auth session required pam_loginuid.so session optional pam_console.so session optional pam_mount.so #session required pam_mount.so system-auth: #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required pam_env.so auth optional pam_mount.so auth sufficient pam_unix.so nullok try_first_pass auth requisite pam_succeed_if.so uid >= 500 quiet #auth sufficient pam_krb5.so use_first_pass auth sufficient pam_winbind.so use_first_pass auth required pam_deny.so account required pam_unix.so broken_shadow #account sufficient pam_krb5.so account sufficient pam_winbind.so account sufficient pam_succeed_if.so uid < 500 quiet account [default=bad success=ok user_unknown=ignore] pam_winbind.so account required pam_permit.so password requisite pam_cracklib.so try_first_pass retry=3 password sufficient pam_unix.so md5 shadow nullok try_first_pass use_authtok #password sufficient pam_krb5.so use_authok password sufficient pam_winbind.so use_authtok password required pam_deny.so session optional pam_keyinit.so revoke session required pam_limits.so session [success=1 default=ignore] pam_succeed_if.so service in crond quiet use_uid session required pam_unix.so session optional pam_mount.so session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel umask=0077 #session optional pam_krb5.so >>> Dan Young 02/09/07 10:49 AM >>> Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Just when I thought I had everything going good. I have a huge security > issue. I just noticed that i can log into my thin clients with user root > and any password. > actually, i can log in as any valid user with any password from GDM. IF > I try to do they same with ssh, it will only allow the correct password. > I have it setup to auth against ADS. I have two thin clients setup, and > both are allowing this. Does anyone have any suggestions? I need to > resolve this before any students figure it out and have root > access..... Can you show us the contents of /etc/pam.d/gdm and /etc/pam.d/system-auth? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 9 17:05:50 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:05:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Huge security issue In-Reply-To: <45CC5305.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45CC4EAC.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <45CCA633.9050901@mesd.k12.or.us> <45CC5305.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <45CCA9EE.2010603@mesd.k12.or.us> Daniel Kuecker wrote: > gdm: > > #%PAM-1.0 > auth required pam_mount.so # use_first_pass > > auth required pam_env.so > #auth include system-auth Any reason for commenting out "auth include system-auth"? Without including the "auth" section from /etc/pam.d/system-auth, gdm never hits the pam_deny if the password is wrong. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Fri Feb 9 17:10:12 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:10:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Huge security issue In-Reply-To: <45CCA9EE.2010603@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45CC4EAC.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <45CCA633.9050901@mesd.k12.or.us> <45CC5305.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><45CC5305.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <45CCA9EE.2010603@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45CC5614.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Thanks, that fixed it! I have no idea why I did that... I must be an idiot! ;-) >>> Dan Young 02/09/07 11:05 AM >>> Daniel Kuecker wrote: > gdm: > > #%PAM-1.0 > auth required pam_mount.so # use_first_pass > > auth required pam_env.so > #auth include system-auth Any reason for commenting out "auth include system-auth"? Without including the "auth" section from /etc/pam.d/system-auth, gdm never hits the pam_deny if the password is wrong. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Fri Feb 9 17:11:43 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:11:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Huge security issue In-Reply-To: <45CCA9EE.2010603@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45CC4EAC.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <45CCA633.9050901@mesd.k12.or.us> <45CC5305.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><45CC5305.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <45CCA9EE.2010603@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45CC566F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> OK. One more thing. now it asks for my password twice. any reason for that? >>> Dan Young 02/09/07 11:05 AM >>> Daniel Kuecker wrote: > gdm: > > #%PAM-1.0 > auth required pam_mount.so # use_first_pass > > auth required pam_env.so > #auth include system-auth Any reason for commenting out "auth include system-auth"? Without including the "auth" section from /etc/pam.d/system-auth, gdm never hits the pam_deny if the password is wrong. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 9 17:22:59 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:22:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Huge security issue In-Reply-To: <45CC566F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <45CC4EAC.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <45CCA633.9050901@mesd.k12.or.us> <45CC5305.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><45CC5305.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <45CCA9EE.2010603@mesd.k12.or.us> <45CC566F.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <45CCADF3.1060009@mesd.k12.or.us> Daniel Kuecker wrote: > OK. One more thing. now it asks for my password twice. any reason for > that? The Samba HOWTO mentions that briefly: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/winbind.html Back up your existing system-auth, and try re-ordering your system-auth "auth" statements and using "use_first_pass" instead of "try_first_pass" in pam_unix. Something like: auth required pam_env.so auth sufficient pam_winbind.so auth sufficient pam_unix.so nullok use_first_pass auth optional pam_mount.so auth requisite pam_succeed_if.so uid >= 500 quiet auth required pam_deny.so -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 18:14:56 2007 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:14:56 -0800 Subject: spaces in user names was Re: [K12OSN] compound names stopping gnome logins Message-ID: <2be970b50702091014p69dc1952h223be157bdc7bbdb@mail.gmail.com> Hi Petre, Thanks for this help. I am using winbind/samba, Pam_mount to authenticate to Active Directory, so we have some names which AD will tolerate that Linux will not. Do you know if there is any solution other than creating new users for those cases? John On 2/9/07, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Unless things have changed (and they may have), having a space in a user > ID was never > allowed in Unix/Linux. Stay away from other punctuation characters, too, > if you want to > avoid problems. > > Petre > > john wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I have one that I hope you can help me with. While most of our students > > have sane user names in the lastname_firstname format, some of our > > student users have compound user names like: > > > > user van_user . It just so happens that this user is having trouble > > logging in to the Gnome desktop. > > These compound names don't seem to cause problems if students log in via > > the command line. When the student trys to login in via GDM they get the > > following message: > > > > "Please contact your system administrator to resolve the following > problem: > > Could not resolve the address "xml.readwrite:/home/Students/user > > van_user/.gconf" in the configuration file /etc/gconf/2/path": Couldn't > > resolve address for configuration source: Bad address > > `xml:readwrite:/home/Students/user van_user/.gconf': ` ' is an invalid > > character in a configuration storage address" > > > > Is the problem the compound name? Where did that final ' come from on > > xml:readwrite:/home/Students/user van_user/.gconf' ? > > > > I hope someone here can point me in the right direction. > > > > Thanks! > > > > John > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I read it too >fast and responded too quickly, missing the point entirely (as I see >now). > >The stuff I said is still worth knowing about and I'm gld it's been >posted to this list, but it really has nothing to do with getting >a broadcom WIRELESS card working. > >I've never even worked with a broadcom wireless card, so I can't give >any advice about that. :\ > >Good luck, though. > >--matt > >> > From: "Peter Hawxhurst" >> > Subject: [K12OSN] HAS ANYWONE GOTTEN EDU 6.06 TO RUN ON HP PAV DV2000? >> > i have installed both the i386 and amd64 versions of edu on my hp >pavilion >> > dv2000 but it fails to identify the broadcom wireless card?? >> > any ideas? thanks. peace >> >> Yes. The broadcom driver isn't included on the installation disk. You >> can copy it in from any other Ubuntu system and load it during >> install, or you should have it once you reboot. >> >> If you don't have it even after you reboot, I would recommend copying >> it in, insmodding it, and then installing linux-image-generic right >> away, which is what you should do anyway...details below. >> >> ***************************************** >> NOTE TO EVERY EDUBUNTU ADMIN: Immediately after you install Edubuntu >> and reboot, install the 'linux-image-generic' package, make sure it >> will boot by default (edit /boot/grub/menu.lst), and then reboot >> again. linux-image-generic will give you SMP support. You will not >> have SMP support until you install another kernel than the default, >> and linux-image-generic is the recommended kernel. >> ***************************************** >> >> Details: copy /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/bnx2.ko >> off of another Ubuntu system (install linux-image-2.6.17-10-386 if >> necessary to get it) onto a thumb drive, then stick that thumb drive >> into your Edubuntu server. If you're currently installing, ALT+F1 >> (maybe ALT+F2) will give you a terminal, where you can do something >> like this: >> >> $ cat /proc/partitions >> "Hmm... /dev/sdb looks like my USB stick. I'll use that." >> ...this could be /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1, etc. >> $ mkdir /mnt/tmp >> $ mount /dev/sdb /mnt/tmp >> $ cp /mnt/bnx2.ko /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/ >> $ umount /mnt/tmp >> $ insmod /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/bnx2.ko >> >> --matt >> >> -- >> Open Source Software Engineering Consultant >> http://majen.net/ >-- >Open Source Software Engineering Consultant >http://majen.net/ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 10 01:17:21 2007 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:17:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] HAS ANYWONE GOTTEN EDU 6.06 TO RUN ON HP PAV DV2000? Message-ID: <875770.25933.qm@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To answer my own question, the type of wireless card in my mother's HP Pavilion dv6105us is one or all of the following (I'm not 100% sure if they all refer to the same thing): Mini PCI Express Mini PCIe Mini Card >From what I can tell, this is slated to replace Mini PCI -Rob On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 03:56:52PM -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > My mother has an HP Pavilion dv6105us and it's got a > Broadcom 4311 (I'm > pretty sure that's the number). I installed Ubuntu > 6.10 on that > machine. Anyway, there's a package called > bcm43xx-fwcutter. You can > try that out, but it didn't work for me. It installed > properly, but my > internet access was extremely slow. > > I ended up using ndiswrapper, which worked well. I > ran into a bug, > though, in the way that NetworkManager interacts with > the ndiswrapper > driver. For whatever reason, NetworkManager loses all > its wireless > network settings every time you log out (but only if > you're using > ndiswrapper, apparently). I'm currently looking for a > good wireless > switching tool that works with ndiswrapper *and* WPA > encryption. > > By the way, when I installed Linux on my sister's > laptop a few years > ago (which also had a Broadcom wireless card), I found > it easier to just > buy a new internal wireless card that would work w/ > Linux. It was a > mini-pci interface. My mother's Pavilion, on the > other hand, doesn't > seem to use a mini-pci interface (unless I'm looking > at the wrong > thing). Does anybody know what type of interface this > card uses? The > mini-pci wireless network cards are only about $20, > and I'd gladly spend > that amount to fix the problems w/ my mom's laptop. > > -Rob > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 10:17:20AM -0600, Peter > Hawxhurst wrote: > > Hi, > > i have installed both the i386 and amd64 versions of > edu on my hp pavilion > > dv2000 but it fails to identify the broadcom > wireless card?? > > any ideas? thanks. peace > > > > > > > > Peter Hawxhurst > > phawxhurst at hotmail.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live > Messenger. > > http://get.live.com/messenger/overview > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 10 13:50:48 2007 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 05:50:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: HAS ANYWONE GOTTEN EDU 6.06 TO RUN ON HP PAV =?ISO-8859-1?Q?DV2000=3F =28Peter_?= Hawx Message-ID: <20070210135048.93329.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> David, Do you find the connection speed to be satisfactory using fwcutter? It was extremely slow on my mother's laptop with Ubuntu 6.10 and a bcm4311 chipset. Did you do anything special, or just a standard install? -Rob On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 02:50:10PM -0500, David Trask wrote: > I have gotten it working well on my HP ZV5000 (Pavilion) which has a > Broadcom card. Prior to Dapper I used to use ndiswrapper, but now use > fwcutter. Both should work and how-to's are all in the Ubuntu wiki and > forums. Any search for Broadcom should get you there. I've had the > internal wireless card working on my HP laptop since Hoary (never tried > with Warty as I used a Belkin PCMCIA card).....it can be done and works > fine. > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >I rather badly misread the original question; sorry. I read it too > >fast and responded too quickly, missing the point entirely (as I see > >now). > > > >The stuff I said is still worth knowing about and I'm gld it's been > >posted to this list, but it really has nothing to do with getting > >a broadcom WIRELESS card working. > > > >I've never even worked with a broadcom wireless card, so I can't give > >any advice about that. :\ > > > >Good luck, though. > > > >--matt > > > >> > From: "Peter Hawxhurst" > >> > Subject: [K12OSN] HAS ANYWONE GOTTEN EDU 6.06 TO RUN ON HP PAV DV2000? > >> > i have installed both the i386 and amd64 versions of edu on my hp > >pavilion > >> > dv2000 but it fails to identify the broadcom wireless card?? > >> > any ideas? thanks. peace > >> > >> Yes. The broadcom driver isn't included on the installation disk. You > >> can copy it in from any other Ubuntu system and load it during > >> install, or you should have it once you reboot. > >> > >> If you don't have it even after you reboot, I would recommend copying > >> it in, insmodding it, and then installing linux-image-generic right > >> away, which is what you should do anyway...details below. > >> > >> ***************************************** > >> NOTE TO EVERY EDUBUNTU ADMIN: Immediately after you install Edubuntu > >> and reboot, install the 'linux-image-generic' package, make sure it > >> will boot by default (edit /boot/grub/menu.lst), and then reboot > >> again. linux-image-generic will give you SMP support. You will not > >> have SMP support until you install another kernel than the default, > >> and linux-image-generic is the recommended kernel. > >> ***************************************** > >> > >> Details: copy /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/bnx2.ko > >> off of another Ubuntu system (install linux-image-2.6.17-10-386 if > >> necessary to get it) onto a thumb drive, then stick that thumb drive > >> into your Edubuntu server. If you're currently installing, ALT+F1 > >> (maybe ALT+F2) will give you a terminal, where you can do something > >> like this: > >> > >> $ cat /proc/partitions > >> "Hmm... /dev/sdb looks like my USB stick. I'll use that." > >> ...this could be /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1, etc. > >> $ mkdir /mnt/tmp > >> $ mount /dev/sdb /mnt/tmp > >> $ cp /mnt/bnx2.ko /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/ > >> $ umount /mnt/tmp > >> $ insmod /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/bnx2.ko > >> > >> --matt > >> > >> -- > >> Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > >> http://majen.net/ > >-- > >Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > >http://majen.net/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From nadavkav at gmail.com Sat Feb 10 17:03:24 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:03:24 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] setting group write permission on OO documents (OT) Message-ID: <4219988b0702100903p6e312241g4b1a6b753477c869@mail.gmail.com> Hi All :-) We are using a terminal server setup in our lab that let users with different names (which are part of a Students Group) save documents on a shared folder. (all terminals autologin with user names pc1..pc25) How can we save OO documents with Group permission set to Write so a Documents could be saved by anyone and edited by anyone ? Kindly, Nadav [image: Smile] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12osn at deltacfax.com Sat Feb 10 20:42:11 2007 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:42:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] setting group write permission on OO documents (OT) In-Reply-To: <4219988b0702100903p6e312241g4b1a6b753477c869@mail.gmail.com> References: <4219988b0702100903p6e312241g4b1a6b753477c869@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45CE2E23.5040700@deltacfax.com> Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > Hi All :-) > > We are using a terminal server setup in our lab that let users with > different names (which are part of a Students Group) save documents on > a shared folder. (all terminals autologin with user names pc1..pc25) > > How can we save OO documents with Group permission set to Write so a > Documents could be saved by anyone and edited by anyone ? > > Kindly, > Nadav Smile > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > If your students are saving their files to e.g. /sharedStuff and /sharedStuff is grouped to Students and the permissions on /sharedStuff include the sgid bit (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setgid) then /the files that get created there will belong to Student group/, and folks in Student group will be able to do .... whatever the permission bits for the file permit. mkdir /sharedStuff chgrp Students /sharedStuff chmod 2770 /sharedStuff That allows the owner (presumably root) and folks in Students group to create & view files in /sharedStuff. The permissions on the files actually control access, but I think umask defaults to 002, so I think the default will be that anyone in the Students group will probably be able to read/write those files. best, -tim From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Feb 10 21:30:55 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:30:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: missing: /lib/modules/2.6.19-1.2895.fc6/modules.dep Message-ID: <9bd317560702101330w2bf733a7q13732bb8c9d21cc6@mail.gmail.com> Help me Obi-Wan.... I can't boot the last two fc6 kernels. at boot I get errors about missing /lib/modules/2.6.19-1.2895.fc6/modules.dep then I have no network interfaces. I read somewhere that running depmod -a as root solves it. When I do this from a good kernel it creates the right stuff in /lib/modules but when I reboot it's gone. I tried making it non-writeable for root but it stil got erased. I tried puttin /sbin/depmod -a in rc.local but I think that happens too late. losing....hair...must find...answer. Thank you Peter From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Feb 11 07:00:35 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:00:35 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Error trying to change group membership Message-ID: This is the command and error that I get: [root at k12ltsp1 ~]# smbldap-usermod -G students,staff,513,BackupPC krsnendu erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server (IO::Socket::INET: connect: No route to host) at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/smbldap_tools.pm line 282. It is unusual that the error message starts with French. usershow works fine. From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Feb 11 07:19:42 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:19:42 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommendations on computer lab furniture In-Reply-To: <353d3b7e8f8062102e0afb1f70db6b9b@morleyschool.net> References: <353d3b7e8f8062102e0afb1f70db6b9b@morleyschool.net> Message-ID: Make sure the tables are the right height for the students. We just put in some table attached to a wall, then realized they were basically adult height and our children are 8 years old about half a foot difference in height! :-< On 08/02/07, K12ltsp wrote: > We're looking at getting new computer lab desks to replace the collapsing collapsible tables we've got now... > > Dow anyone have any suggestions? I'm looking for normal lab-style desks as well as something that would be really compact along a wall. > > Preferably a Canadian manufacturer/distributor, we are located west of Calgary. > > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > Morley, AB > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Feb 11 20:22:27 2007 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:22:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy Spam in my yum update Message-ID: <45CF7B03.5090307@snarlnet.com> Does anyone have any idea why I'm getting this when I run 'yum update'? Both my k12ltsp boxes are doing it. And what can/should I do about it? Yum is wonderful, mysterious and terrifying to me. What follows is approximately one quarter (hopefully representative) of the output I get when I run 'yum update' from the command line. Thanks for any ideas. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:327: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: td line 309 and tr ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:328: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: tr line 308 and table ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:332: parser error : EntityRef: expecting ';' pen('https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/jump_pages/icann_dry.asp?isc=gppg0095&domain ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:332: parser error : EntityRef: expecting ';' com/gdshop/jump_pages/icann_dry.asp?isc=gppg0095&domain=macromedia.mplug.org&app ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:336: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: td line 189 and table ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:346: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: img line 346 and td ages-pw.secureserver.net/images/061703/spc_trans.gif" border="0" height="9"> ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:349: parser error : EntityRef: expecting ';' > ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:362: parser error : xmlParseEntityRef: no name size:12px;font-weight:normal;color: #000000;text-align:left;">Generous Storage & ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:374: parser error : EntityRef: expecting ';' ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:377: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: br line 349 and table ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:379: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: a line 349 and td ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:380: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: td line 349 and tr ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:381: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: tr line 348 and table ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:389: parser error : EntityRef: expecting ';' "center"> ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:389: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: a line 389 and td online_tm.gif" border="0" alt="Life Online With Bob Parsons" vspace="8"> ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:393: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: br line 392 and td es-pw.secureserver.net/images/061703/spc_trans.gif" border="0" height="8" /> ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:395: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: tr line 391 and table ^ //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:397: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: tr line 388 and td ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nils at breun.nl Sun Feb 11 22:04:55 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:04:55 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy Spam in my yum update In-Reply-To: <45CF7B03.5090307@snarlnet.com> References: <45CF7B03.5090307@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: Carl Keil wrote: > Does anyone have any idea why I'm getting this when I run 'yum > update'? Both my k12ltsp boxes are doing it. > And what can/should I do about it? Yum is wonderful, mysterious and > terrifying to me. What follows is approximately one quarter > (hopefully representative) of the output I get when I run 'yum > update' from the command line. > > Looks like /var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml got corrupted somehow. Have you tried running 'yum clean all' and trying again? Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Calvin From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Feb 12 02:44:12 2007 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:44:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy Spam in my yum update Message-ID: <45CFD47C.1010706@snarlnet.com> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Carl Keil wrote: > > > > Does anyone have any idea why I'm getting this when I run 'yum > update'? Both my k12ltsp boxes are doing it. And what can/should I > do about it? Yum is wonderful, mysterious and terrifying to me. > What follows is approximately one quarter (hopefully > representative) of the output I get when I run 'yum update' from > the command line. > > > > > Looks like /var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml got corrupted somehow. > Have you tried running 'yum clean all' and trying again? > >Nils Breunese. > > > > Yes, I should have mentioned that I did a 'yum clean all' before the 'yum update'. I still got the same thing afterwards. The file /var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml is full of weird spammy nonsense. Is it safe to just delete that file? ck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Feb 12 04:19:02 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:19:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy Spam in my yum update In-Reply-To: <45CFD47C.1010706@snarlnet.com> References: <45CFD47C.1010706@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <45CFEAB6.7020509@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Carl Keil wrote: >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Carl Keil wrote: >> >> >> >> Does anyone have any idea why I'm getting this when I run 'yum >> update'? Both my k12ltsp boxes are doing it. And what can/should I >> do about it? Yum is wonderful, mysterious and terrifying to me. >> What follows is approximately one quarter (hopefully >> representative) of the output I get when I run 'yum update' from >> the command line. >> >> >> >> Looks like /var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml got corrupted somehow. >> Have you tried running 'yum clean all' and trying again? >> >> Nils Breunese. >> >> >> >> > Yes, I should have mentioned that I did a 'yum clean all' before the > 'yum update'. I still got the same thing afterwards. The file > /var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml is full of weird spammy nonsense. > Is it safe to just delete that file? > > ck Yes, you can remove everything under /var/cache/yum/macromedia (that is what "yum clean all" should have done) If you are running through a proxy, perhaps your proxy has a corrupted copy. You can tell up-stream proxies not to cache the meta-data by adding this line to the [main] section of /etc/yum.conf http_caching packages -Eric From jon at spriggs.org.uk Mon Feb 12 08:58:39 2007 From: jon at spriggs.org.uk (Jon Spriggs) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:58:39 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy Spam in my yum update In-Reply-To: <45CF7B03.5090307@snarlnet.com> References: <45CF7B03.5090307@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0702120058w7ca520e3mab0261bfd90c058f@mail.gmail.com> On 2/11/07, Carl Keil wrote: > Does anyone have any idea why I'm getting this when I run 'yum update'? > Both my k12ltsp boxes are doing it. > And what can/should I do about it? > Yum is wonderful, mysterious and terrifying to me. > What follows is approximately one quarter (hopefully representative) of > the output I get when I run 'yum update' from the command line. > > Thanks for any ideas. Hi there Carl, I assumed it was a problem with the Macromedia repo, and disabled it. I've not installed Flash on my box, so I edited /etc/yum.repos.d/macromedia.repo and changed "enabled=1" to "enabled=0". That's as good a work-around as any. Alternatively, you can use "yum --disablerepo=macromedia functionname". Regards, Jon From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Feb 12 15:13:40 2007 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:13:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy Spam in my yum update In-Reply-To: <45CF7B03.5090307@snarlnet.com> References: <45CF7B03.5090307@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <98B54964-2D07-4E0A-A3A2-6B8C813E7846@inlandlakes.org> It appears as though macromedia.mplug.org no longer is a valid domain. The spam is from godaddy's parked page. What is mplug.org? Who owns it, and should we tell them their domain is very broken? -Shawn On Feb 11, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Carl Keil wrote: > Does anyone have any idea why I'm getting this when I run 'yum > update'? Both my k12ltsp boxes are doing it. > And what can/should I do about it? Yum is wonderful, mysterious and > terrifying to me. What follows is approximately one quarter > (hopefully representative) of the output I get when I run 'yum > update' from the command line. > > Thanks for any ideas. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:327: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: td line 309 and tr > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:328: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: tr line 308 and table > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:332: parser error : > EntityRef: expecting ';' > pen('https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/jump_pages/icann_dry.asp? > isc=gppg0095&domain > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:332: parser error : > EntityRef: expecting ';' > com/gdshop/jump_pages/icann_dry.asp? > isc=gppg0095&domain=macromedia.mplug.org&app > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:336: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: td line 189 and table > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:346: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: img line 346 and td > ages-pw.secureserver.net/images/061703/spc_trans.gif" border="0" > height="9"> > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:347: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: td line 346 and tr > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:349: parser error : > EntityRef: expecting ';' > > vspace="3"> > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:362: parser error : > xmlParseEntityRef: no name > size:12px;font-weight:normal;color: #000000;text- > align:left;">Generous Storage & > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:374: parser error : > EntityRef: expecting ';' > height="8"> > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:376: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: br line 374 and tr > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:377: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: br line 349 and table > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:379: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: a line 349 and td > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:380: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: td line 349 and tr > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:381: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: tr line 348 and table > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:389: parser error : > EntityRef: expecting ';' > "center"> vspace="8"> > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:389: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: a line 389 and td > online_tm.gif" border="0" alt="Life Online With Bob Parsons" > vspace="8"> > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:390: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: td line 389 and tr > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:393: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: br line 392 and td > es-pw.secureserver.net/images/061703/spc_trans.gif" border="0" > height="8" /> > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:394: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: td line 392 and tr > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:395: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: tr line 391 and table > > ^ > //var/cache/yum/macromedia/repomd.xml:397: parser error : Opening > and ending tag mismatch: tr line 388 and td > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --- > This message checked for SPAM and Viruses by MailFoundry. > If this is SPAM, please forward it to spam at mailfoundry.com -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From nils at breun.nl Mon Feb 12 15:23:01 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:23:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy Spam in my yum update In-Reply-To: <98B54964-2D07-4E0A-A3A2-6B8C813E7846@inlandlakes.org> References: <45CF7B03.5090307@snarlnet.com> <98B54964-2D07-4E0A-A3A2-6B8C813E7846@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <7AAC2DEA-249B-476C-ABDF-A0FC200591D3@breun.nl> Shawn Powers wrote: > It appears as though macromedia.mplug.org no longer is a valid > domain. The spam is from godaddy's parked page. > > What is mplug.org? Who owns it, and should we tell them their > domain is very broken? I can visit http://macromedia.mplug.org/ just fine. It lists these mirrors: USA (Warren's Server): http://macromedia.mplug.org/site_uh.html Europe (Red.es / RedIRIS, Madrid Spain): http:// macromedia.rediris.es/site_ri.html Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Feb 12 15:29:31 2007 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:29:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy Spam in my yum update In-Reply-To: <7AAC2DEA-249B-476C-ABDF-A0FC200591D3@breun.nl> References: <45CF7B03.5090307@snarlnet.com> <98B54964-2D07-4E0A-A3A2-6B8C813E7846@inlandlakes.org> <7AAC2DEA-249B-476C-ABDF-A0FC200591D3@breun.nl> Message-ID: That's what I see if I look at the google cache, but when I try to hit the site live, I get a godaddy "domain parked" page. I wonder if you're getting a cached copy or if it's back online and *I'm* getting a cached copy. Anyone know more about mplug.org ? -Shawn On Feb 12, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Nils Breunese wrote: > I can visit http://macromedia.mplug.org/ just fine. > > It lists these mirrors: > > USA (Warren's Server): http://macromedia.mplug.org/site_uh.html > Europe (Red.es / RedIRIS, Madrid Spain): http:// > macromedia.rediris.es/site_ri.html -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Feb 12 15:35:12 2007 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:35:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy Spam in my yum update In-Reply-To: <98B54964-2D07-4E0A-A3A2-6B8C813E7846@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E1FDFC@MAILBE2.westat.com> Shawn Powers wrote: >> >> It appears as though macromedia.mplug.org no longer is a valid >> domain. The spam is from godaddy's parked page. >> >> What is mplug.org? Who owns it, and should we tell them their >> domain is very broken? MPLUG appears to have been the Mid-Pacific Linux User's Group. Google cache shows their www page from a year ago (Feb. 18, 2006) http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:a8ajOwFq70QJ:www.mplug.org/+mplug&h l=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us with the following text: July 26, 2003 - MPLUG and LUAU have merged into the Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation. It links to http://www.hosef.org/ The mplug.org domain is currently owned by a Warren Togami with addresses in Nashua, New Hampshire and Honolulu, Hawaii. Very odd. -- Henry From nils at breun.nl Mon Feb 12 16:20:18 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:20:18 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy Spam in my yum update In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E1FDFC@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E1FDFC@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <0179D942-B953-43CC-95B2-CC9C436DA6EC@breun.nl> Henry Hartley wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: >>> >>> It appears as though macromedia.mplug.org no longer is a valid >>> domain. The spam is from godaddy's parked page. >>> >>> What is mplug.org? Who owns it, and should we tell them their >>> domain is very broken? It doesn't seem to be a caching problem on my site, I can reach macromedia.mplug.org just fine. > July 26, 2003 - MPLUG and LUAU have merged into the Hawaii Open Source > Education Foundation. > > It links to http://www.hosef.org/ > > The mplug.org domain is currently owned by a Warren Togami with > addresses in Nashua, New Hampshire and Honolulu, Hawaii. Very odd. Warren Togami is the founder of the original Fedora Project: http:// fedoraproject.org/wiki/WarrenTogami Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If all problems were that easy to fix... -Shawn On Feb 12, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Nils Breunese wrote: > It doesn't seem to be a caching problem on my site, I can reach > macromedia.mplug.org just fine. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From petre at maltzen.net Mon Feb 12 17:37:35 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:37:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy Spam in my yum update In-Reply-To: <39572C3B-2DE4-4DDF-8AFA-8936ED3D16B0@inlandlakes.org> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E1FDFC@MAILBE2.westat.com> <0179D942-B953-43CC-95B2-CC9C436DA6EC@breun.nl> <39572C3B-2DE4-4DDF-8AFA-8936ED3D16B0@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <45D0A5DF.7000705@maltzen.net> I was just about to say that at 11:28 CST, http://macromedia.mplug.org was not available to me; but then I tried http://macromedia.mplug.org/site_uh.html, (IOW, specifying a file to retrieve) and that DID work. Then I tried http://macromedia.mplug.org again, at 11:29am CST, and it worked. Odd. Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > As of *right now* it started working. > > If all problems were that easy to fix... > > -Shawn > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Nils Breunese wrote: > >> It doesn't seem to be a caching problem on my site, I can reach >> macromedia.mplug.org just fine. > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at hvja.org Mon Feb 12 18:11:54 2007 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:11:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] childsplay --window Message-ID: <45D0ADEA.4010103@hvja.org> childsplay --window is how to run childsplay windowed in case anyone needs that functionality. gcompris -w does the same for gcompris. --Huck From scott at hosef.org Mon Feb 12 22:32:49 2007 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:32:49 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy Spam in my yum update In-Reply-To: <0179D942-B953-43CC-95B2-CC9C436DA6EC@breun.nl> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E1FDFC@MAILBE2.westat.com> <0179D942-B953-43CC-95B2-CC9C436DA6EC@breun.nl> Message-ID: <45D0EB11.8030209@hosef.org> Nils Breunese wrote: > Henry Hartley wrote: > >> Shawn Powers wrote: >>>> >>>> It appears as though macromedia.mplug.org no longer is a valid >>>> domain. The spam is from godaddy's parked page. >>>> >>>> What is mplug.org? Who owns it, and should we tell them their >>>> domain is very broken? > > It doesn't seem to be a caching problem on my site, I can reach > macromedia.mplug.org just fine. > >> July 26, 2003 - MPLUG and LUAU have merged into the Hawaii Open Source >> Education Foundation. >> >> It links to http://www.hosef.org/ >> >> The mplug.org domain is currently owned by a Warren Togami with >> addresses in Nashua, New Hampshire and Honolulu, Hawaii. Very odd. > > Warren Togami is the founder of the original Fedora Project: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WarrenTogami Warren now works for Red Hat. He was the founder of the Fedora Project while at UH. He also started the Mid-Pacific Linux Users Group while in High School at the Mid-Pacific Institute http://www.midpac.edu/ MPLUG and LUAU (our original LUG) were merged with HOSEF many years ago. Warren has continued to maintain the Flash Plugin for Fedora and other distros > > Nils Breunese. --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Executive Director The Hawai`i Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 2644 Ewa Beach, HI 96706 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Feb 13 13:32:45 2007 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:32:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... Message-ID: I had one of my hard drives fail in a hardware RAID5 array this morning. Along with the drive failure, I have thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of file corruptions, missing inodes, etc, etc. I've been fscking all morning. So much for fault tolerance. My question to the list, is should I switch to a software based array? I use software RAID5 at home, and apart from figuring out *which* drive is "drive 4", I've been able to replace a bad drive without any real headaches. Any suggestions on what I should do next? Apart from quitting my job and applying at McDonalds... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jam at mcquil.com Tue Feb 13 13:42:45 2007 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:42:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D1C055.4050603@McQuil.com> Shawn, Which hardware raid were you using? I've been using 3Ware SATA raid, and it's been working great. I managed to pick a lousy batch of harddrives, and I've lost a few of them, and each time, I just pop out the old drive, plug in the new one, and it never misses a beat. Software raid will never give you that nice hot-swap capability. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Shawn Powers wrote: > I had one of my hard drives fail in a hardware RAID5 array this > morning. Along with the drive failure, I have thousands, maybe hundreds > of thousands of file corruptions, missing inodes, etc, etc. I've been > fscking all morning. So much for fault tolerance. > > My question to the list, is should I switch to a software based array? > I use software RAID5 at home, and apart from figuring out *which* drive > is "drive 4", I've been able to replace a bad drive without any real > headaches. > > Any suggestions on what I should do next? Apart from quitting my job > and applying at McDonalds... > > -Shawn > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 13 14:57:45 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:57:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D1D1E9.9080809@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > I had one of my hard drives fail in a hardware RAID5 array this > morning. Along with the drive failure, I have thousands, maybe hundreds > of thousands of file corruptions, missing inodes, etc, etc. I've been > fscking all morning. So much for fault tolerance. > > My question to the list, is should I switch to a software based array? > I use software RAID5 at home, and apart from figuring out *which* drive > is "drive 4", I've been able to replace a bad drive without any real > headaches. > > Any suggestions on what I should do next? Apart from quitting my job > and applying at McDonalds... > > -Shawn Yesterday I worked on a software RAID5 that blew chunks. No permanent damage, but it did not fail gracefully - the bad drive hung the SCSI bus. I had to do a manual fsck after power-cycling. It *could* have been bad. Backups, backups are good ;-) -Eric From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Feb 13 15:11:26 2007 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:11:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... In-Reply-To: <45D1D1E9.9080809@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45D1D1E9.9080809@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <350A86A5-13CE-4BEE-8AB7-55D7BFC7A660@inlandlakes.org> On Feb 13, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Eric Harrison wrote: > Backups, backups are good ;-) Amen. I'm in a bit of a sticky situation, because I see last night's backup is 30GB smaller than the night before, so I think I had some issues going on there. Now, when I rebuild my server (which it looks like I will be doing, fsck will not give this file system it's blessing when fscking manually...) I get to decide whether to restore the partially corrupted, but most recent copy, or the good but old copy. Yay. -Shawn PS: Jim -- it's an LSI raid card, which uses the megaraid kernel module. It's been a faithful old server, but I may have to drop it from the top of a large building sometime soon... -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Feb 13 15:17:05 2007 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:17:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... In-Reply-To: <350A86A5-13CE-4BEE-8AB7-55D7BFC7A660@inlandlakes.org> References: <45D1D1E9.9080809@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <350A86A5-13CE-4BEE-8AB7-55D7BFC7A660@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Feb 13, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Shawn Powers wrote: > Yay. On a related note, if anyone is looking to hire a tech director recently flogged by his staff, drop me a line. File server failures are wildly popular. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 13 14:56:15 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:56:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] childsplay --window In-Reply-To: <45D0ADEA.4010103@hvja.org> References: <45D0ADEA.4010103@hvja.org> Message-ID: <45D1D18F.3000703@maltzen.net> Can you stick this in the wiki? Huck wrote: > childsplay --window > > is how to run childsplay windowed in case anyone needs that functionality. > > gcompris -w > > does the same for gcompris. > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 13 16:15:25 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:15:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... In-Reply-To: References: <45D1D1E9.9080809@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <350A86A5-13CE-4BEE-8AB7-55D7BFC7A660@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <45D1E41D.20301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > On Feb 13, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Shawn Powers wrote: >> Yay. > > On a related note, if anyone is looking to hire a tech director recently > flogged by his staff, drop me a line. File server failures are wildly > popular. > > -Shawn Glass is half full, eh? Perhaps now would be a good time to remind everyone how far behind you are on your hardware replacement cycle, inadequate redundancy, and all of the other expensive goodies that no one understands until something breaks ;-) -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 13 16:56:32 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:56:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... In-Reply-To: <45D1E41D.20301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45D1D1E9.9080809@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <350A86A5-13CE-4BEE-8AB7-55D7BFC7A660@inlandlakes.org> <45D1E41D.20301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45D1EDC0.5020402@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > Perhaps now would be a good time to remind everyone how far behind you > are on your hardware replacement cycle, inadequate redundancy, and all > of the other expensive goodies that no one understands until something > breaks ;-) I should have mentioned that this was a rhetorical comment. I have over a $100,000 worth of (non-budgeted) hardware replacements requests sitting on my desk & grumpy staff who constantly remind me of how grumpy our users will be WHEN (not if) things break... Pretty much standard operating conditions ;-) -Eric From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 13 22:15:25 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:15:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... In-Reply-To: <45D1C055.4050603@McQuil.com> References: <45D1C055.4050603@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <45D2387D.2090509@futuresource.com> Jim McQuillan wrote: > Which hardware raid were you using? > > I've been using 3Ware SATA raid, and it's been working great. I managed > to pick a lousy batch of harddrives, and I've lost a few of them, and > each time, I just pop out the old drive, plug in the new one, and it > never misses a beat. > > Software raid will never give you that nice hot-swap capability. Sure it does if the hardware supports it. I've swapped out several broken SCA (SCSI with the hot-swap connector) drives that were in RAID1 software mirrors without shutting down, and I have a couple of partitions built as RAID1 with a member 'missing' that I periodically mirror to an external firewire drive that is then rotated offsite. I don't think I'd do RAID5 in software these days though. For smaller storage you don't save enough over RAID1 to be worth the extra CPU use and losing the ability to recover data from any single remaining drive and for larger storage you'd want to do it in hardware. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 13 22:17:41 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:17:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D23905.2020200@futuresource.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > Any suggestions on what I should do next? Apart from quitting my job > and applying at McDonalds... It has been a while since I've mentioned backuppc as a good thing here... -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Feb 13 22:21:57 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:21:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... In-Reply-To: <45D23905.2020200@futuresource.com> References: <45D23905.2020200@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <45D23A05.8020208@paasda.org> I didn't want to rub salt in the wound ;) --Huck Les Mikesell wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > >> Any suggestions on what I should do next? Apart from quitting my job >> and applying at McDonalds... > > It has been a while since I've mentioned backuppc as a good thing here... > From vince at totalsense.com Tue Feb 13 23:59:48 2007 From: vince at totalsense.com (Vince Callaway) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:59:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Russian teacher in trouble. Message-ID: <1171411188.9966.2.camel@dbserver> Somebody should have told him about K12LTSP. http://tinyurl.com/2vtevt From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Feb 14 00:57:50 2007 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:57:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... In-Reply-To: <45D23905.2020200@futuresource.com> References: <45D23905.2020200@futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Feb 13, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > It has been a while since I've mentioned backuppc as a good thing > here... I have backuppc, AND several backups (MAN that program was worth the hassle to figure out!) I ended up doing a bare-metal restore on a separate computer, with another raid controller (a bit nicer, with fancy lights on the front telling when the drives fail), AND I sacrificed some space for a hot spare. :) Still doing RAID 5 because I couldn't afford that much drive space (literally, at $700 a drive!!!) Still restoring as we speak... 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Also since it's a public list maybe the Ministry of Education and other BC School Districts will eventually take notice how widespread FOSS has become in our Province and how well an online community can support each other. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 14 07:40:37 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:40:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... In-Reply-To: References: <45D23905.2020200@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <45D2BCF5.4090604@futuresource.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > On Feb 13, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: >> It has been a while since I've mentioned backuppc as a good thing here... > > I have backuppc, AND several backups (MAN that program was worth the > hassle to figure out!) > > I ended up doing a bare-metal restore on a separate computer, with > another raid controller (a bit nicer, with fancy lights on the front > telling when the drives fail), AND I sacrificed some space for a hot > spare. :) Still doing RAID 5 because I couldn't afford that much drive > space (literally, at $700 a drive!!!) > > Still restoring as we speak... If you are literally dumping the whole system backup onto a machine with a different controller it can be tricky to make it boot. Don't panic - you can boot your install CD in rescue mode and fix it but it may involve building a new initrd image with the right driver. If the new controller works with the old driver, all you need is to get grub installed on the new system. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Feb 14 12:22:01 2007 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:22:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... In-Reply-To: <45D2BCF5.4090604@futuresource.com> References: <45D23905.2020200@futuresource.com> <45D2BCF5.4090604@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <19ABC11B-6C61-464C-93BC-097CF05A3567@inlandlakes.org> On Feb 14, 2007, at 2:40 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > If you are literally dumping the whole system backup onto a machine > with a different controller it can be tricky to make it boot. No, I just reinstalled the OS, restored the /home directory, and copy/ pasted the important things in /etc. 22 hours with only an hour off for dinner -- it mignt be my personal "hours of work in a day" record. :) -Shawn the sleepy -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <19ABC11B-6C61-464C-93BC-097CF05A3567@inlandlakes.org> References: <45D23905.2020200@futuresource.com> <45D2BCF5.4090604@futuresource.com> <19ABC11B-6C61-464C-93BC-097CF05A3567@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <45D31870.6040800@futuresource.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > On Feb 14, 2007, at 2:40 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: >> If you are literally dumping the whole system backup onto a machine >> with a different controller it can be tricky to make it boot. > > No, I just reinstalled the OS, restored the /home directory, and > copy/pasted the important things in /etc. 22 hours with only an hour > off for dinner -- it mignt be my personal "hours of work in a day" > record. :) > > -Shawn the sleepy Good approach - you get fewer surprises that way and you can always do a full restore of /etc to some other location and use 'diff -r' to see if you missed anything that matters. By the way, the current version of backuppc is 3.0.0 and it has some advantages, including a web based editor for the configurations and permitting backups to run during the nightly cleanup pass. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Feb 14 14:18:05 2007 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:18:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID let me down... In-Reply-To: <45D31870.6040800@futuresource.com> References: <45D23905.2020200@futuresource.com> <45D2BCF5.4090604@futuresource.com> <19ABC11B-6C61-464C-93BC-097CF05A3567@inlandlakes.org> <45D31870.6040800@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <126B309B-F222-413B-9F30-39297F0F1140@inlandlakes.org> On Feb 14, 2007, at 9:10 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > By the way, the current version of backuppc is 3.0.0 and it has > some advantages, including a web based editor for the > configurations and permitting backups to run during the nightly > cleanup pass. I'm using 3.0.0 (I actually switched to backuppc from my hand written rsync scripts just over a week ago) and it's really awesome. The hardest part for me was getting the CGI interface working with mod_perl and all -- but it was worth the hassle! -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Feb 14 14:21:48 2007 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:21:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] etherboot "slow dots" Message-ID: <3DA3AC3E-F1B8-4750-BC36-D9C1CF7B7FA7@inlandlakes.org> I have some older IBM computers that use etherboot because they don't support PXE. For some reason, several of them started showing a problem where the "dots" that fill up the screen during the boot process are glacially slow, and the computers often will fail to boot all the way. A different computer, sitting right next to it, booting PXE, boots up lightning quick. These computers have been thin clients for years, and are connecting to the same server all year. Any ideas where I can troubleshoot the booting problem? It's very odd... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 14 14:44:16 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:44:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] etherboot "slow dots" In-Reply-To: <3DA3AC3E-F1B8-4750-BC36-D9C1CF7B7FA7@inlandlakes.org> References: <3DA3AC3E-F1B8-4750-BC36-D9C1CF7B7FA7@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <45D32040.7070505@maltzen.net> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-Wont_Boot#Etherboot_seems_to_start_downloa Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > I have some older IBM computers that use etherboot because they don't > support PXE. For some reason, several of them started showing a problem > where the "dots" that fill up the screen during the boot process are > glacially slow, and the computers often will fail to boot all the way. > A different computer, sitting right next to it, booting PXE, boots up > lightning quick. > > These computers have been thin clients for years, and are connecting to > the same server all year. Any ideas where I can troubleshoot the > booting problem? It's very odd... > > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Wed Feb 14 21:23:18 2007 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:23:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting Windows homedirs Message-ID: <45D30D46020000FC000057BB@mail.deerpark.wednet.edu> I have a test K12LTSP version 6 server setup. I have joined the AD domain and configured pam_mount to mount a Student folder on each users Desktop. The Student folder is a Windows share on a Win2K server. In that folder are directories for each graduating year. The actual student home directories are in the appropriate year. I can browse the network to the server and open the share. Accessing it this way, I can see all the year directories and open them to see the student folders. If I try to open a student folder without permissions, I shows empty. When I open the folder automatically mounted on the Desktop, it just shows empty! The pam_mount.conf file has the line: volume * cifs HighDC Student /home/DPSD/&/Desktop/Student uid=&,gid=&,dmask=0750,workgroup=DEERPARK.WEDNET.EDU - - to mount the folder. The Student folder show on the Desktop, but as I said, it is empty. There is no change if I use file types of smb or smbfs. I even tried a dmask of 0777 with no luck. This might be related. If I open a terminal screen on the server as root, I get good results from all the wbinfo commands I have tried. When I try getent passwd or getent group, I just get the local information. My nsswitch.conf file has: passwd files winbind #shadow files winbind group files winbind I have tried replacing "files" with compat. It had no effect. I added the # to comment out the shadow line, No good. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks. Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Wed Feb 14 21:08:48 2007 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:08:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting Windows homedirs Message-ID: <45D309E0020000FC000057B7@mail.deerpark.wednet.edu> I have a test K12LTSP version 6 server setup. I have joined the AD domain and configured pam_mount to mount a Student folder on each users Desktop. The Student folder is a Windows share on a Win2K server. In that folder are directories for each graduating year. The actual student home directories are in the appropriate year. I can browse the network to the server and open the share. Accessing it this way, I can see all the year directories and open them to see the student folders. If I try to open a student folder without permissions, I shows empty. When I open the folder automatically mounted on the Desktop, it just shows empty! The pam_mount.conf file has the line: volume * cifs HighDC Student /home/DPSD/&/Desktop/Student uid=&,gid=&,dmask=0750,workgroup=DEERPARK.WEDNET.EDU - - to mount the folder. The Student folder show on the Desktop, but as I said, it is empty. There is no change if I use file types of smb or smbfs. I even tried a dmask of 0777 with no luck. This might be related. If I open a terminal screen on the server as root, I get good results from all the wbinfo commands I have tried. When I try getent passwd or getent group, I just get the local information. My nsswitch.conf file has: passwd files winbind #shadow files winbind group files winbind I have tried replacing "files" with compat. It had no effect. I added the # to comment out the shadow line, No good. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks. Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Thu Feb 15 15:20:42 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:20:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap will not start on server Message-ID: I go on vacation, so of course the server has problems :) The linux server used for ldap authentication crashed yesterday. Now, ldap will not start successfully. This means that samba will not start and that means users can' t log onto the windows servers.. Also, I have a slave ldap server running and we are currently authenticating against that server for the linux logins. However, my windows terminal servers want to use the main authentication server. So, I had the tech coordinator try running the following. sladp_db_recover -v -h /var/lib/ldap but this does not correct the issue since then running /etc/init.d/ldap start will not start ldap. It returns a message that slapd failed to start. The tech director is now trying: slapd_db_recover -v -h /var/lib/ldap chown -R ldap.ldap /var/lib/ldap /etc/init.d/ldap start but I am not overly optimistic. So, the question: Can I just delete all of the db.001, db.0002, etc files and have slapd rebuild them without losing the database? Then, I can run the above commands again? Finally, there is a replog.lck file which I had him delete (it was size zero), but this had not effect on ldap starting. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Feb 15 15:29:12 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:29:12 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap will not start on server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D47C48.6020802@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Have you tried this http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/DisasterRecovery Brian David Hopkins wrote: > I go on vacation, so of course the server has problems :) > > The linux server used for ldap authentication crashed yesterday. Now, > ldap will not start successfully. This means that samba will not start > and that means users can' t log onto the windows servers.. Also, I have > a slave ldap server running and we are currently authenticating against > that server for the linux logins. However, my windows terminal servers > want to use the main authentication server. > > So, I had the tech coordinator try running the following. > > sladp_db_recover -v -h /var/lib/ldap > > but this does not correct the issue since then running > > /etc/init.d/ldap start will not start ldap. It returns a message that > slapd failed to start. > > The tech director is now trying: > > slapd_db_recover -v -h /var/lib/ldap > chown -R ldap.ldap /var/lib/ldap > /etc/init.d/ldap start > > but I am not overly optimistic. So, the question: > > Can I just delete all of the db.001, db.0002, etc files and have slapd > rebuild them without losing the database? Then, I can run the above > commands again? Finally, there is a replog.lck file which I had him > delete (it was size zero), but this had not effect on ldap starting. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Feb 15 16:23:25 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:23:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap will not start on server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you been backing up your ldap database? If so go to the smbldap_installer support site and read about disaster recovery http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >I go on vacation, so of course the server has problems :) > >The linux server used for ldap authentication crashed yesterday. Now, >ldap will not start successfully. This means that samba will not start >and that means users can' t log onto the windows servers.. Also, I have >a slave ldap server running and we are currently authenticating against >that server for the linux logins. However, my windows terminal servers >want to use the main authentication server. > >So, I had the tech coordinator try running the following. > >sladp_db_recover -v -h /var/lib/ldap > >but this does not correct the issue since then running > >/etc/init.d/ldap start will not start ldap. It returns a message that >slapd failed to start. > >The tech director is now trying: > >slapd_db_recover -v -h /var/lib/ldap >chown -R ldap.ldap /var/lib/ldap >/etc/init.d/ldap start > >but I am not overly optimistic. So, the question: > >Can I just delete all of the db.001, db.0002, etc files and have slapd >rebuild them without losing the database? Then, I can run the above >commands again? Finally, there is a replog.lck file which I had him >delete (it was size zero), but this had not effect on ldap starting. > >Sincerely, >Dave Hopkins > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Thu Feb 15 16:53:58 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:53:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap will not start on server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the help everyone. Turns out that the tech coord was mis-typing the chown command, thus the *db* files weren't being reset properly to be owned by ldap. Once he noticed this, and correctly set ownership of /var/lib/ldap to ldap.ldap, everything started up properly. I have now found that it is very difficult to troubleshoot typos. :) I do have backups running nightly for the database, but trying to walk the tech coord through the steps via the phone when he is being pressured by teachers/etc is not a fun thing. I wouldn't have an issue with resetting the database from the backups, but not something I want to try remotely just yet. Anyhow, thanks! thanks! Now, I can get back to my vacation. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins On 2/15/07, David Trask wrote: > > Have you been backing up your ldap database? If so go to the > smbldap_installer support site and read about disaster recovery > http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >I go on vacation, so of course the server has problems :) > > > >The linux server used for ldap authentication crashed yesterday. Now, > >ldap will not start successfully. This means that samba will not start > >and that means users can' t log onto the windows servers.. Also, I have > >a slave ldap server running and we are currently authenticating against > >that server for the linux logins. However, my windows terminal servers > >want to use the main authentication server. > > > >So, I had the tech coordinator try running the following. > > > >sladp_db_recover -v -h /var/lib/ldap > > > >but this does not correct the issue since then running > > > >/etc/init.d/ldap start will not start ldap. It returns a message that > >slapd failed to start. > > > >The tech director is now trying: > > > >slapd_db_recover -v -h /var/lib/ldap > >chown -R ldap.ldap /var/lib/ldap > >/etc/init.d/ldap start > > > >but I am not overly optimistic. So, the question: > > > >Can I just delete all of the db.001, db.0002, etc files and have slapd > >rebuild them without losing the database? Then, I can run the above > >commands again? 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URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 22:08:59 2007 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:08:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] local usb key won't mount anymore Message-ID: <706105.37124.qm@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had my local usb key working fine, but I screwed something up. It all started when I tried to simultaneously copy about 5 very large directories to my 2 GB usb key. Anyway, since them it hasn't been acting right. Today when I tried to copy files to the usb key, they were instead copied to a local folder called ~/Drives/Removeable Device... (I know it was a local folder, because when I unplugged the usb key it was still there). So I removed the "Removeable Device" folder and that didn't fix anything... Any suggestions? I'm not sure exactly how this file mounting works, so I'm not in a good position to troubleshoot this. I am a member of the "fuse" group and /dev/fuse is owned by user "root" and group "fuse". And as I said, it *was* working perfectly a few days ago... Thanks for any help you guys can give. -Rob ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From petre at maltzen.net Thu Feb 15 22:17:32 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:17:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] local usb key won't mount anymore In-Reply-To: <706105.37124.qm@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <706105.37124.qm@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45D4DBFC.3050402@maltzen.net> Have a look at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting Petre Rob Owens wrote: > I had my local usb key working fine, but I screwed > something up. It all started when I tried to > simultaneously copy > about 5 very large directories to my 2 GB usb key. > Anyway, since them it hasn't been acting right. Today > when I > tried to copy files to the usb key, they were instead > copied to a local folder called ~/Drives/Removeable > Device... (I > know it was a local folder, because when I unplugged > the usb key it was still there). So I removed the > "Removeable > Device" folder and that didn't fix anything... > > Any suggestions? I'm not sure exactly how this file > mounting works, so I'm not in a good position to > troubleshoot > this. > > I am a member of the "fuse" group and /dev/fuse is > owned by user "root" and group "fuse". And as I said, > it *was* > working perfectly a few days ago... > > Thanks for any help you guys can give. > > -Rob > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From k12ltsp at morleyschool.net Thu Feb 15 23:31:45 2007 From: k12ltsp at morleyschool.net (Tom Wolfe) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:31:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum: "Error in loading repository data" Message-ID: <9b9b169b5d835580c858eea4d58bd2d7@morleyschool.net> Hi all, I'm getting the following error when trying to use yum: ailure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. I'm new to yum and can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. Any hints? Regards, Tom Wolfe From k12ltsp at morleyschool.net Thu Feb 15 23:41:22 2007 From: k12ltsp at morleyschool.net (Tom Wolfe) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:41:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum: "Error in loading repository data Message-ID: OK, I seem to have solved it with yum update ... does this make sense? Regards, Tom Wolfe From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 00:17:05 2007 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:17:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] local usb key won't mount anymore Message-ID: <669498.2969.qm@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Petre. In /etc/fstab, I only see an entry for My_CDrom. (I disabled floppy access, since I use a boot floppy). I tried 2 different usb keys, and neither one works. When I plug in a usb key, it lights up, then goes out. This same usb key used to stay lit while it was plugged in. I restarted udev on the server, but that didn't help. Local cdrom access works fine. Any ideas? On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 04:17:32PM -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > Have a look at > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting > > Petre > > Rob Owens wrote: > >I had my local usb key working fine, but I screwed > >something up. It all started when I tried to > >simultaneously copy > >about 5 very large directories to my 2 GB usb key. > >Anyway, since them it hasn't been acting right. Today > >when I > >tried to copy files to the usb key, they were instead > >copied to a local folder called ~/Drives/Removeable > >Device... (I > >know it was a local folder, because when I unplugged > >the usb key it was still there). So I removed the > >"Removeable > >Device" folder and that didn't fix anything... > > > >Any suggestions? I'm not sure exactly how this file > >mounting works, so I'm not in a good position to > >troubleshoot > >this. > > > >I am a member of the "fuse" group and /dev/fuse is > >owned by user "root" and group "fuse". And as I said, > >it *was* > >working perfectly a few days ago... > > > >Thanks for any help you guys can give. > > > >-Rob > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ > >No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > >with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > >http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From toddobryan at mac.com Fri Feb 16 13:34:35 2007 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:34:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FL_TeacherTool on Ubuntu with LTSP 5 Message-ID: <1171632875.953.95.camel@200-8143-202-01.Jefferson.ketsds.net> Is it possible to use FL_TeacherTool with the most recent version of LTSP on (Ed)Ubuntu? Edubuntu's Student Control Panel just doesn't cut it. Thanks, Todd From petre at maltzen.net Fri Feb 16 14:21:33 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:21:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] local usb key won't mount anymore In-Reply-To: <669498.2969.qm@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <669498.2969.qm@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45D5BDED.3070000@maltzen.net> The best thing to do is go through the checklist and save the output of each step, then mail that to Scott Balneaves at sbalneav at ltsp.org, or get on #ltsp and see if Scott's there and ask him directly. He wrote the Local Device Access code, and he can usually spot the trouble, but he'll need ALL the output from the checklist (although the first few items on the checklist don't apply since you're not installing LDA by hand since it's included with K12LTSP). Rob Owens wrote: > Thanks Petre. > > In /etc/fstab, I only see an entry for My_CDrom. (I > disabled floppy > access, since I use a boot floppy). > > I tried 2 different usb keys, and neither one works. > When I plug in a > usb key, it lights up, then goes out. This same usb > key used to stay > lit while it was plugged in. > > I restarted udev on the server, but that didn't help. > > Local cdrom access works fine. > > Any ideas? > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 04:17:32PM -0600, Petre Scheie > > wrote: >> Have a look at >> > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting >> Petre >> >> Rob Owens wrote: >>> I had my local usb key working fine, but I screwed >>> something up. It all started when I tried to >>> simultaneously copy >>> about 5 very large directories to my 2 GB usb key. >>> Anyway, since them it hasn't been acting right. > Today >>> when I >>> tried to copy files to the usb key, they were > instead >>> copied to a local folder called ~/Drives/Removeable >>> Device... (I >>> know it was a local folder, because when I > unplugged >>> the usb key it was still there). So I removed the >>> "Removeable >>> Device" folder and that didn't fix anything... >>> >>> Any suggestions? I'm not sure exactly how this > file >>> mounting works, so I'm not in a good position to >>> troubleshoot >>> this. >>> >>> I am a member of the "fuse" group and /dev/fuse is >>> owned by user "root" and group "fuse". And as I > said, >>> it *was* >>> working perfectly a few days ago... >>> >>> Thanks for any help you guys can give. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >>> No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go >>> with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. >>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 20:06:28 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:06:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FL_TeacherTool on Ubuntu with LTSP 5 In-Reply-To: <1171632875.953.95.camel@200-8143-202-01.Jefferson.ketsds.net> References: <1171632875.953.95.camel@200-8143-202-01.Jefferson.ketsds.net> Message-ID: On 2/16/07, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > Is it possible to use FL_TeacherTool with the most recent version of > LTSP on (Ed)Ubuntu? I don't know where SCP source code is located. I have read about it and it seems it's going to be modular, which is good. Since Eric is going to use ltsp 5 (muekow) for Fedora 7 I am going to have to modify fl_tt (or release a different version). So it should then work with Edubuntu also. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 16 20:14:11 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:14:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FL_TeacherTool on Ubuntu with LTSP 5 In-Reply-To: References: <1171632875.953.95.camel@200-8143-202-01.Jefferson.ketsds.net> Message-ID: <45D61093.4050804@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 2/16/07, Todd O'Bryan wrote: >> Is it possible to use FL_TeacherTool with the most recent version of >> LTSP on (Ed)Ubuntu? > > I don't know where SCP source code is located. I have read about it > and it seems it's going to be modular, which is good. Since Eric is > going to use ltsp 5 (muekow) for Fedora 7 I am going to have to > modify fl_tt (or release a different version). So it should then work > with Edubuntu also. > I was not planning on using Edubuntu's LDM by default (LDM is what breaks FL_Teachertool). So probably little-to-no changes to FL_TeacherTool will be required for K12LTSP 7.0... I'm now running FC7t1 on my laptop. I'll put testing fl_tt on my TODO list.... -Eric From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Sat Feb 17 01:00:46 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:00:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting Windows homedirs Message-ID: <45D5FF5E0200007D000034DC@mail.shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Try changing to the following. I had a very similar problem with k12ltsp 6... volume * cifs HighDC Student /home/DPSD/&/Desktop/Student uid=&,gid=&,dmask=0750,workgroup=DEERPARK.WEDNET.EDU - - to volume * cifs HighDC Student /home/DPSD/&/Desktop/Student - - - From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Feb 17 02:11:16 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:11:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap will not start on server In-Reply-To: References: < > Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >I do have backups running nightly for the database, but trying to walk >the tech coord through the steps via the phone when he is being pressured >by teachers/etc is not a fun thing. I wouldn't have an issue with >resetting the database from the backups, but not something I want to try >remotely just yet. Why? Doing it remotely is exactly the same as doing it locally....especially if you're using a terminal or PuTTY and doing it with CLI. I usually skip the phone call and just ask for root access so I can do it myself. (Then I ask them to change the root password back to something else when done) Seriously though....don't be afraid to reset the ldap database remotely....it's not big deal. :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ssh at tranquility.net Sat Feb 17 04:52:43 2007 From: ssh at tranquility.net (ssh at tranquility.net) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:52:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DST change does 2006g-1.fc4 tzdata fix the problem? In-Reply-To: References: < > Message-ID: <1171687963.17396.7.camel@bofh.ltsp> Official Redhat is mentioned here: http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHEA-2005-656.html Despite the cheap HTML, a good overview is here: http://www.reganfamily.ca/dst/index.html thx Scott S. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can check with: zdump -v CST6CDT |grep 2007 (or any US timezone) If it doesn't mention Mar 11 and you don't want to do a full update, yum update tzdata will just get the time zone files. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ssh at tranquility.net Sat Feb 17 05:18:25 2007 From: ssh at tranquility.net (ssh at tranquility.net) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:18:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DST change does 2006g-1.fc4 tzdata fix the problem? In-Reply-To: <45D68DFC.7060004@futuresource.com> References: < > <1171687963.17396.7.camel@bofh.ltsp> <45D68DFC.7060004@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1171689505.17396.10.camel@bofh.ltsp> I hadn't done a full update for some time (dang dialup) but tzdata has been updated. Thanks for the tip on zdump -v CST6CDT |grep 2007 Scott S. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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K12LTSP 5.0 Thanks, Barry Cisna From nadavkav at gmail.com Sat Feb 17 10:32:42 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:32:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] etherboot "slow dots" In-Reply-To: <3DA3AC3E-F1B8-4750-BC36-D9C1CF7B7FA7@inlandlakes.org> References: <3DA3AC3E-F1B8-4750-BC36-D9C1CF7B7FA7@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4219988b0702170232u291ee0aag4d6c998ca3556430@mail.gmail.com> in our experience, it has to do with either a failure in the Ethernet network card or the cable is ending his life and needs to be replaced. (this is how we solved a few incidents like your, in which the workstations used to work for a year or two without and problem) On 2/14/07, Shawn Powers wrote: > > I have some older IBM computers that use etherboot because they don't > support PXE. For some reason, several of them started showing a > problem where the "dots" that fill up the screen during the boot > process are glacially slow, and the computers often will fail to boot > all the way. A different computer, sitting right next to it, booting > PXE, boots up lightning quick. > > These computers have been thin clients for years, and are connecting > to the same server all year. Any ideas where I can troubleshoot the > booting problem? It's very odd... > > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thebobhill at mail.com Sat Feb 17 23:04:41 2007 From: thebobhill at mail.com (Bob Hill) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:04:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using K12LTSP on existing school network Message-ID: <45D78A09.70908@mail.com> Hello all, I am a high school teacher in North Carolina. I have been testing K12ltsp and other LTSP solutions on a small (5 clients) classroom local network for the past six months or so. The current Fedora Core 6 K12ltsp works very well and I am happy with the performance. I am not network knowledgeable yet, and have questions I hope someone here may answer. How should I approach our IT staff to get an okay to attach my classroom server to our school network so we can have internet access for the thin clients? I have tested this and it works fine, but the IT staff always warns us of attaching switches or routers to the school network and does not allow it. Would attaching my LTSP server to the network cause problems somehow? The school network uses fat windows workstations logging into the school server through Novell, but most if not all of the applications run locally. My classroom LTSP server does not need to log on to our school network. Internet access just passes through the school server. It seems the school network would see my classroom LTSP server as just another single machine with one IP address, while my the switch I am using would be behind this machine attached to the thin clients. Please explain to me how this would "bring down our school network" as I have sometimes been told. I understand that the clients may be increasing the bandwidth demand on the port the classroom server is attached to, but is this a problem? Finally, if this is a problem, could I somehow set up an extra cacheing proxy server or something to download some complete websites during off hours and have the LTSP classroom server connect to that for simulated internet access? Thanks for any suggestions or directions. Bob Hill From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 18 02:01:54 2007 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:01:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Using K12LTSP on existing school network Message-ID: <3085.378.qm@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You are correct that the school network will only see the LTSP server. It will not see all the thin clients (as long as you use a 2 network card setup in the LTSP server). You are also correct that the thin clients will be increasing bandwidth demand on the port that the classroom server is attached to, but the increase will be negligible. Most of the bandwidth is between the clients and the LTSP server. The additional demands that the server will cause on the school's network will be due to the fact that you have 5 users, instead of one, requesting internet sites and utilizing the school's centralized network file storage (if they have any). In short, this should not be a problem. Don't bother with a caching proxy server--you don't need it. The only way I could try to explain the "bring down our school network" statement is this. If someone were to bring in a router or some other device which acts as a DHCP server, and hooked it into your school network, you could end up with multiple school computers getting the same IP address. This would cause trouble, but not bring the network down. The LTSP server does, in fact, act as a DHCP server--but it only serves IP addresses to the thin clients and not to the school network, so it won't be a problem. Be careful setting it up though, because if you mistakenly hook the "thin client nic" to the school network, you will be serving IP addresses to the school network. You don't want this. Luckily, it will also have the side effect that your thin clients won't boot, so you'll notice this mistake immediately. Tell the IT staff that the thin clients will be on a separate subnet, and that the school's network will only see the LTSP server. Tell them that if it causes trouble (which it won't), you'll simply unplug it until you figure out what you did wrong. Remind them that you are adding computers to your classroom for free (or for cheap) and that this is important to you and your students. Good luck! -Rob On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 06:04:41PM -0500, Bob Hill wrote: > Hello all, > > I am a high school teacher in North Carolina. I have been testing > K12ltsp and other LTSP solutions on a small (5 clients) classroom local > network for the past six months or so. The current Fedora Core 6 > K12ltsp works very well and I am happy with the performance. I am not > network knowledgeable yet, and have questions I hope someone here may > answer. > > How should I approach our IT staff to get an okay to attach my classroom > server to our school network so we can have internet access for the thin > clients? I have tested this and it works fine, but the IT staff always > warns us of attaching switches or routers to the school network and does > not allow it. Would attaching my LTSP server to the network cause > problems somehow? > > The school network uses fat windows workstations logging into the school > server through Novell, but most if not all of the applications run > locally. My classroom LTSP server does not need to log on to our school > network. Internet access just passes through the school server. It > seems the school network would see my classroom LTSP server as just > another single machine with one IP address, while my the switch I am > using would be behind this machine attached to the thin clients. Please > explain to me how this would "bring down our school network" as I have > sometimes been told. I understand that the clients may be increasing > the bandwidth demand on the port the classroom server is attached to, > but is this a problem? > > Finally, if this is a problem, could I somehow set up an extra cacheing > proxy server or something to download some complete websites during off > hours and have the LTSP classroom server connect to that for simulated > internet access? > > Thanks for any suggestions or directions. > > Bob Hill > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Feb 18 02:05:58 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:05:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Using K12LTSP on existing school network Message-ID: <42980.192.168.254.3.1171764358.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Bob, Glad to hear you are giving K12LTSP a shot at your school. As you have stated with only 6 thin clients they will never " bring down your network". This is a misnomer by lots of people who are Windows die hards. I heard the same speel when i started this 4 years ago.The bottom line ,the longer you use k12ltsp the more you'll see the stabilty advantages of it. It is becoming more and more refined each release,and is very user friendly now with the ease of use with usb sticks,that are now "plug and play". This use to be a headache to get working,but works "out of the box" now. The audio probs are becoming less and less,but for newbie admins to K12LTSP there is quite a bit of extra installing to do to get all formats of video/audio players working which is getting to be a must have in a school scenario. As far as bandwidth,for now you'll be fine with just 100 mb switches from s erver to your room switch. When we started out with 20 clients thats all we had for two years.we had 60 clients the second year on only 100 mb swiches just for an example. With the low cost of 1000 mb uplink switches it easy and cheap to eventually upgrade your network to this,if you are not already there. There is such a set of variables ,though you'll have to monitor,for example using tux math by just afew clients full screen will choke a 100 mb switch backbone or the server itself,hard to say which croaks first in this , but you can webmail/office applications, light programming, gimp editing,and no one else on your lan will notice any difference. The only thing at this point you cant do with a thin client that you can with your fat clients there is burn cd/dvd's. Good luck, Take Care, Barry Cisna westcentral school From les at futuresource.com Sun Feb 18 02:32:58 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:32:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using K12LTSP on existing school network In-Reply-To: <45D78A09.70908@mail.com> References: <45D78A09.70908@mail.com> Message-ID: <45D7BADA.7080306@futuresource.com> Bob Hill wrote: > Please > explain to me how this would "bring down our school network" as I have > sometimes been told. With the 2 NIC configuration, the danger is that you might plug the wrong interface into the main network which would give out DHCP addresses that don't work to the machines there. The way to avoid it is to connect only the client side when you first install a server and make sure you can boot a thin client. This will tell you that your DHCP-serving side is correct before you plug the other interface into the main network. If you only have one cable plugged in you can also use mii-tool to see which one has link up, and ifconfig to see which IP address it has so you know which is which. The 2 NIC configuration will not require more bandwidth on the main net than the same number of client would if plugged in directly so as long as you are aware of the DHCP issue and how to avoid it you should not have any problems. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Feb 18 02:58:15 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:58:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Russian teacher in trouble. In-Reply-To: <1171411188.9966.2.camel@dbserver> References: <1171411188.9966.2.camel@dbserver> Message-ID: <45D7C0C7.2050405@cmosnetworks.com> Actually, someone might. Late in January, I called the Free Software Foundation about this, asking them to forward some K12LTSP information to the Russians that your article mentions. They told me that they'll get in touch with FSF Europe to see if someone can help not only his school, but that whole village and possibly the entire area. Let's hope that they will do just that. BTW, I am currently in Peru, with my GNU/Linux-running laptop to demo, and that is my primary mission here. Wish me luck; they're 99% MS Windows here. --TP Vince Callaway escribi?: > Somebody should have told him about K12LTSP. > > http://tinyurl.com/2vtevt > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vince at totalsense.com Sun Feb 18 06:47:00 2007 From: vince at totalsense.com (Vince Callaway) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:47:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Russian teacher in trouble. In-Reply-To: <45D7C0C7.2050405@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1171411188.9966.2.camel@dbserver> <45D7C0C7.2050405@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1171781220.5670.10.camel@dbserver> On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 21:58 -0500, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > BTW, I am currently in Peru, with my GNU/Linux-running laptop to demo, > and that is my primary mission here. Wish me luck; they're 99% MS > Windows here. Certainly wish you luck. I am definately a supporter of free enterprise. The problem is that the cost of hardware and licensing for a MS based PC is more than some schools budget for a student in a year. Personally I feel that in the lower grades the underlying technology should be transparent. Learning to join words together in a sentence can be done just as easily in open office as MS word. Heck, I still use vi for 90% of my work. From petre at maltzen.net Sun Feb 18 16:41:50 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:41:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool can't broadcast on k12 6 Message-ID: <45D881CE.5070609@maltzen.net> fl_teachertool 0.41 on my K12LTSP 6 system can't broadcast to clients. Monitoring works, as does lock (invoke screensaver). I've enabled X4_MODULE_02 = vnc in lts.conf and rebooted the clients. This happens whether I run it as root or as a user who's been given permission via sudoers. When I call fl_tt from a command line and try to broadcast, I see errors like this: /usr/sbin/teachertool-vncviewer: ConnetctToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused Unable to connect to VNC server If I run nmap against a client, it shows there is a listener on port 5900. I copied the .vnc directory from root's home directory to /opt/ltsp/i386/root/. I'm stumped as to why the connections are being refused. Anyone have any ideas? Petre From petre at maltzen.net Sun Feb 18 16:51:29 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:51:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool can't broadcast on k12 6 In-Reply-To: <45D881CE.5070609@maltzen.net> References: <45D881CE.5070609@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45D88411.4050903@maltzen.net> A little more info: Monitor and Control work, just not Broadcast. So, vnc can connect to one client, just not multiple clients. Peter Scheie wrote: > fl_teachertool 0.41 on my K12LTSP 6 system can't broadcast to clients. > Monitoring works, as does lock (invoke screensaver). I've enabled > X4_MODULE_02 = vnc in lts.conf and rebooted the clients. This happens > whether I run it as root or as a user who's been given permission via > sudoers. When I call fl_tt from a command line and try to broadcast, I > see errors like this: > > /usr/sbin/teachertool-vncviewer: ConnetctToTcpAddr: connect: Connection > refused > Unable to connect to VNC server > > If I run nmap against a client, it shows there is a listener on port > 5900. I copied the .vnc directory from root's home directory to > /opt/ltsp/i386/root/. I'm stumped as to why the connections are being > refused. Anyone have any ideas? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 16:53:09 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 05:53:09 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh access dropping out Message-ID: This is what happens. I ssh into my K12LTSP-6 server. Sometimes if I don't give it input for a few seconds it freezes and I have to reconnect. This happens when I uses ssh from another linux machine, putty and winscp from windows. It also happens from LAN and when accessing from home through the internet. I also noticed this behaviour when accessing a debian virtual machine running on K12LTSP. I haven't noticed this behaviour so much using NX Any clues as to what might be happening? From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 18 19:03:34 2007 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:03:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] local usb key won't mount anymore Message-ID: <148683.97124.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I discovered that /etc/X11/Xsession.d/51lbus-start is not executable -- nor are any of the scripts in that directory. This can't be right, can it? Would someone mind telling me the proper permissions of these scripts? Should they be executable by root only, or by anybody? -Rob On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 08:21:33AM -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > The best thing to do is go through the checklist and save the output of > each step, then mail that to Scott Balneaves at sbalneav at ltsp.org, or get > on #ltsp and see if Scott's there and ask him directly. He wrote the Local > Device Access code, and he can usually spot the trouble, but he'll need ALL > the output from the checklist (although the first few items on the > checklist don't apply since you're not installing LDA by hand since it's > included with K12LTSP). > > Rob Owens wrote: > >Thanks Petre. > > > >In /etc/fstab, I only see an entry for My_CDrom. (I > >disabled floppy > >access, since I use a boot floppy). > > > >I tried 2 different usb keys, and neither one works. > >When I plug in a > >usb key, it lights up, then goes out. This same usb > >key used to stay > >lit while it was plugged in. > > > >I restarted udev on the server, but that didn't help. > > > >Local cdrom access works fine. > > > >Any ideas? > > > >On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 04:17:32PM -0600, Petre Scheie > > > >wrote: > >>Have a look at > >> > >http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting > >>Petre > >> > >>Rob Owens wrote: > >>>I had my local usb key working fine, but I screwed > >>>something up. It all started when I tried to > >>>simultaneously copy > >>>about 5 very large directories to my 2 GB usb key. > >>>Anyway, since them it hasn't been acting right. > >Today > >>>when I > >>>tried to copy files to the usb key, they were > >instead > >>>copied to a local folder called ~/Drives/Removeable > >>>Device... (I > >>>know it was a local folder, because when I > >unplugged > >>>the usb key it was still there). So I removed the > >>>"Removeable > >>>Device" folder and that didn't fix anything... > >>> > >>>Any suggestions? I'm not sure exactly how this > >file > >>>mounting works, so I'm not in a good position to > >>>troubleshoot > >>>this. > >>> > >>>I am a member of the "fuse" group and /dev/fuse is > >>>owned by user "root" and group "fuse". And as I > >said, > >>>it *was* > >>>working perfectly a few days ago... > >>> > >>>Thanks for any help you guys can give. > >>> > >>>-Rob > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>____________________________________________________________________________________ > >>>No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > >>>with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > >>>http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ > >It's here! Your new message! > >Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > >http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 18 19:18:48 2007 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:18:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] SOLVED -- local usb key won't mount anymore Message-ID: <20070218191848.83696.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here I am, answering my own question... So the scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d do not have to be executable. They are sourced by /etc/X11/Xsession. I'm not exactly sure why that means they don't have to be executable, but apparently it does. My problem turned out to be that /etc/X11/Xsession.d/51lbus-start was owned by my user, instead of by root. I'm not sure how this happenned. I did: chown root.root 51lbus-start and then ran /etc/X11/Xsession and now my local devices work again. The question is, why did it work before? I didn't purposely change ownership of 41lbus-start to my owner, so how did it happen? Rhetorical questions, I guess. It works now. -Rob On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 11:03:34AM -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > I discovered that /etc/X11/Xsession.d/51lbus-start is > not executable -- nor are any of the scripts in that > directory. > This can't be right, can it? Would someone mind > telling me the proper permissions of these scripts? > Should they be > executable by root only, or by anybody? > > -Rob > > On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 08:21:33AM -0600, Petre Scheie > wrote: > > The best thing to do is go through the checklist and > save the output of > > each step, then mail that to Scott Balneaves at > sbalneav at ltsp.org, or get > > on #ltsp and see if Scott's there and ask him > directly. He wrote the Local > > Device Access code, and he can usually spot the > trouble, but he'll need ALL > > the output from the checklist (although the first > few items on the > > checklist don't apply since you're not installing > LDA by hand since it's > > included with K12LTSP). > > > > Rob Owens wrote: > > >Thanks Petre. > > > > > >In /etc/fstab, I only see an entry for My_CDrom. > (I > > >disabled floppy > > >access, since I use a boot floppy). > > > > > >I tried 2 different usb keys, and neither one > works. > > >When I plug in a > > >usb key, it lights up, then goes out. This same > usb > > >key used to stay > > >lit while it was plugged in. > > > > > >I restarted udev on the server, but that didn't > help. > > > > > >Local cdrom access works fine. > > > > > >Any ideas? > > > > > >On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 04:17:32PM -0600, Petre > Scheie > > > > > >wrote: > > >>Have a look at > > >> > > > >http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting > > >>Petre > > >> > > >>Rob Owens wrote: > > >>>I had my local usb key working fine, but I > screwed > > >>>something up. It all started when I tried to > > >>>simultaneously copy > > >>>about 5 very large directories to my 2 GB usb > key. > > >>>Anyway, since them it hasn't been acting right. > > >Today > > >>>when I > > >>>tried to copy files to the usb key, they were > > >instead > > >>>copied to a local folder called > ~/Drives/Removeable > > >>>Device... (I > > >>>know it was a local folder, because when I > > >unplugged > > >>>the usb key it was still there). So I removed > the > > >>>"Removeable > > >>>Device" folder and that didn't fix anything... > > >>> > > >>>Any suggestions? I'm not sure exactly how this > > >file > > >>>mounting works, so I'm not in a good position to > > >>>troubleshoot > > >>>this. > > >>> > > >>>I am a member of the "fuse" group and /dev/fuse > is > > >>>owned by user "root" and group "fuse". And as I > > >said, > > >>>it *was* > > >>>working perfectly a few days ago... > > >>> > > >>>Thanks for any help you guys can give. > > >>> > > >>>-Rob > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>____________________________________________________________________________________ > > >>>No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > > >>>with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. 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Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From robark at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 20:24:29 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:24:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: fl_teachertool can't broadcast on k12 6 In-Reply-To: <45D881CE.5070609@maltzen.net> References: <45D881CE.5070609@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 2/18/07, Peter Scheie wrote: > fl_teachertool 0.41 on my K12LTSP 6 system can't broadcast to clients. > Monitoring works, as does lock (invoke screensaver). I've enabled > X4_MODULE_02 = vnc in lts.conf and rebooted the clients. This happens > whether I run it as root or as a user who's been given permission via > sudoers. When I call fl_tt from a command line and try to broadcast, I > see errors like this: > > /usr/sbin/teachertool-vncviewer: ConnetctToTcpAddr: connect: Connection > refused > Unable to connect to VNC server > > If I run nmap against a client, it shows there is a listener on port > 5900. I copied the .vnc directory from root's home directory to > /opt/ltsp/i386/root/. I'm stumped as to why the connections are being > refused. Anyone have any ideas? > Copying .vnc dir to /opt tree is for Control/Monitor. For broadcast you need two other packages. teachertool-tightvnc (which it looks like you already have) vncreflector (I noticed Eric has named it vnc-reflector in 6.0 repo) make sure you have installed these. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From petre at maltzen.net Sun Feb 18 22:15:25 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:15:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: fl_teachertool can't broadcast on k12 6 In-Reply-To: References: <45D881CE.5070609@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45D8CFFD.8080702@maltzen.net> Yes, vnc-reflector-1.2.4-3.fc6 is installed, according to rpm. Any other ideas? The error message suggests that the clients are refusing the connection. During the broadcast, a new login window and session are created; perhaps the error is about establishing that vnc session to the server rather than the vnc sessions to the clients? Petre Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 2/18/07, Peter Scheie wrote: >> fl_teachertool 0.41 on my K12LTSP 6 system can't broadcast to clients. >> Monitoring works, as does lock (invoke screensaver). I've enabled >> X4_MODULE_02 = vnc in lts.conf and rebooted the clients. This happens >> whether I run it as root or as a user who's been given permission via >> sudoers. When I call fl_tt from a command line and try to broadcast, I >> see errors like this: >> >> /usr/sbin/teachertool-vncviewer: ConnetctToTcpAddr: connect: Connection >> refused >> Unable to connect to VNC server >> >> If I run nmap against a client, it shows there is a listener on port >> 5900. I copied the .vnc directory from root's home directory to >> /opt/ltsp/i386/root/. I'm stumped as to why the connections are being >> refused. Anyone have any ideas? >> > > Copying .vnc dir to /opt tree is for Control/Monitor. For broadcast > you need two other packages. > > teachertool-tightvnc (which it looks like you already have) > vncreflector (I noticed Eric has named it vnc-reflector in 6.0 repo) > > make sure you have installed these. > From petre at maltzen.net Sun Feb 18 22:45:31 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:45:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] kgeography missing from k12 ver. 6 Message-ID: <45D8D70B.1000802@maltzen.net> It appears that kGeography, which is included in k12 version 5, is not in version 6. According the kGeography website, it's been part of kde edu since KDE 3.5. Anyone know why this is missing? Petre From toddobryan at mac.com Sun Feb 18 23:16:28 2007 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:16:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FL_TeacherTool on Ubuntu with LTSP 5 In-Reply-To: References: <1171632875.953.95.camel@200-8143-202-01.Jefferson.ketsds.net> Message-ID: <1171840588.22820.8.camel@tobryan1-laptop> I have an Ubuntu+Muekow lab set up and am willing to help out getting FL_Teachertool working on it. I'm actually a pretty proficient Java/Python programmer and can *usually* get C/C++ working before I throw the computer out the window. Let me know where to start and I'll try getting it set up and see where the problems happen. Todd P.S. I notice you teach Python at your high school. I start in Scheme using the materials at www.htdp.org, then switch to Python for the last six weeks to get my students ready for the Java AP class the next year. Would love to hear what you've found really works and what doesn't. On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 12:06 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 2/16/07, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > Is it possible to use FL_TeacherTool with the most recent version of > > LTSP on (Ed)Ubuntu? > > I don't know where SCP source code is located. I have read about it > and it seems it's going to be modular, which is good. Since Eric is > going to use ltsp 5 (muekow) for Fedora 7 I am going to have to > modify fl_tt (or release a different version). So it should then work > with Edubuntu also. > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Feb 19 00:17:47 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:17:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update fails Message-ID: <45D8ECAB.5040300@maltzen.net> Just installed k12lstp 6, and am trying to run yum update. It fails with this error: --> Processing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 for package: icewm-l10n --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 is needed by package icewm-l10n But icewm is installed (by default): # rpm -qa |grep ice icewm-menu-gnome2-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 icewm-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 icewm-themes-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 icewm-l10n-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 I deleted the /var/lib/rpm/__db* files and ran 'rpm --rebuilddb', but it made no difference. Any suggestions? Petre From petre at maltzen.net Mon Feb 19 00:43:33 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:43:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update fails In-Reply-To: <45D8ECAB.5040300@maltzen.net> References: <45D8ECAB.5040300@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45D8F2B5.30809@maltzen.net> More info: It appears to be a conflict between the k12lstp repo and the extras repo. K12ltsp uses icewm-* version 1.2.28, which is what is installed; and the extras repo has icewm-* version 1.2.30. I disabled the extras repo (yes, there's a way to do it on the commandline passed to yum, but I can never remember the syntax) and then 'yum update' ran fine. But I'd rather not have to turn off the extras repo whenever I do an update. Is this normal? Petre Petre Scheie wrote: > Just installed k12lstp 6, and am trying to run yum update. It fails > with this error: > > --> Processing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 for package: icewm-l10n > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: Missing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 is needed by package icewm-l10n > > But icewm is installed (by default): > > # rpm -qa |grep ice > icewm-menu-gnome2-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 > icewm-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 > icewm-themes-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 > icewm-l10n-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 > > I deleted the /var/lib/rpm/__db* files and ran 'rpm --rebuilddb', but it > made no difference. Any suggestions? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Mon Feb 19 00:50:27 2007 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:50:27 -1000 (HST) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update fails In-Reply-To: <45D8F2B5.30809@maltzen.net> References: <45D8ECAB.5040300@maltzen.net> <45D8F2B5.30809@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <3814.192.168.0.10.1171846227.squirrel@192.168.0.250> Just disable the icewm package in yum for the Extra's repo. Goto your /etc/yum.repos.d/ and edit the Extra's repo file and add the exclude command. :) exclude=icewm Wilson > More info: It appears to be a conflict between the k12lstp repo and the > extras repo. K12ltsp uses icewm-* version 1.2.28, which is what is > installed; and the extras repo has icewm-* version 1.2.30. I disabled > the extras repo (yes, there's a way to do it on the commandline passed > to yum, but I can never remember the syntax) and then 'yum update' ran > fine. But I'd rather not have to turn off the extras repo whenever I do > an update. Is this normal? > > Petre > > Petre Scheie wrote: >> Just installed k12lstp 6, and am trying to run yum update. It fails >> with this error: >> >> --> Processing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 for package: icewm-l10n >> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 is needed by package >> icewm-l10n >> >> But icewm is installed (by default): >> >> # rpm -qa |grep ice >> icewm-menu-gnome2-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >> icewm-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >> icewm-themes-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >> icewm-l10n-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >> >> I deleted the /var/lib/rpm/__db* files and ran 'rpm --rebuilddb', but it >> made no difference. Any suggestions? >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ssh at tranquility.net Mon Feb 19 00:57:29 2007 From: ssh at tranquility.net (ssh at tranquility.net) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:57:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh access dropping out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1171846649.17396.37.camel@bofh.ltsp> On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 05:53 +1300, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > This is what happens. > I ssh into my K12LTSP-6 server. > Sometimes if I don't give it input for a few seconds it freezes and I > have to reconnect. On Putty, there is an option in the Connection tree to set keepalives. I have had a few problems getting disconnected from sshd's over the net. I set that to 30 (seconds) and it completely solved the problem. If the sshd server is what is dropping it, that won't help other clients. I see there is a line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config commented out that may help (I haven't tried this). Try uncommenting the line: #ClientAliveInterval 0 and set the 0 to different values. You'll have to restart sshd to read the new config. Hope this helps, Scott S. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From robark at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 05:53:47 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:53:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: fl_teachertool can't broadcast on k12 6 In-Reply-To: <45D8CFFD.8080702@maltzen.net> References: <45D881CE.5070609@maltzen.net> <45D8CFFD.8080702@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 2/18/07, Petre Scheie wrote: > Yes, vnc-reflector-1.2.4-3.fc6 is installed, according to rpm. Any > other ideas? The error message suggests that the clients are refusing > the connection. During the broadcast, a new login window and session > are created; perhaps the error is about establishing that vnc session to > the server rather than the vnc sessions to the clients? > Okay lets try this manually 1) first start the reflector /usr/bin/vncreflector /etc/fl_teachertool/HOST_INFO_FILE & 2) start vncviewer for the teacher /usr/bin/teachertool-vncviewer localhost:99 & 3)start vncviewer for a student (from a client) /usr/bin/teachertool-vncviewer -viewonly localhost:99 & Let me know how it fails. Also check that you have the package "vnc-ltsp-config" installed. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 07:36:20 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:36:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FL_TeacherTool on Ubuntu with LTSP 5 In-Reply-To: <1171840588.22820.8.camel@tobryan1-laptop> References: <1171632875.953.95.camel@200-8143-202-01.Jefferson.ketsds.net> <1171840588.22820.8.camel@tobryan1-laptop> Message-ID: On 2/18/07, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > I have an Ubuntu+Muekow lab set up and am willing to help out getting > FL_Teachertool working on it. I'm actually a pretty proficient > Java/Python programmer and can *usually* get C/C++ working before I > throw the computer out the window. > > Let me know where to start and I'll try getting it set up and see where > the problems happen. Are you using LDM? As Eric points out that's what causes the problem for fl-tt. I think LDM must be responsible for tunnelling X traffic through ssh. It requires modifying every function in my code. I'd have to do testing/development on a Muekow lab to figure things out. If you don't need encrypted X traffic I have read Jim M. post that Edubuntu can revert back to the traditional way ltsp connects clients. If you can use gdm I think it would be a lot easier to get fl-tt working in that scenario. > > Todd > > P.S. I notice you teach Python at your high school. I start in Scheme > using the materials at www.htdp.org, then switch to Python for the last > six weeks to get my students ready for the Java AP class the next year. > Would love to hear what you've found really works and what doesn't. > I was teaching C++ up until last year. I found that there was too much overhead (pointers, dynamic memory allocation etc..) to get high school kids programming a gui app. FLTK is pretty easy but you first need to know C++. If you want to see how easy FLTK is goto google and type [fltk tutorial]. My tutorial should be the first hit. The problem is it takes time to learn C++. So starting this year I'm teaching Python. *I love Python*. I keep telling my students how much Python rocks. It's so clean and efficient. Thankfully there is a Python wrapper for FLTK it's called pyFLTK. Look how simple an OOP style gui app in pyFLTK is #!/usr/bin/python from fltk import * class MyApp(Fl_Window): def __init__(self, w, h, label): Fl_Window.__init__(self, w, h, label) self.begin() self.button1 = Fl_Button(95, 5, 140, 50) self.button1.label("Not clicked yet") self.button1.callback(self.button1callback) self.button1.color(FL_BLUE) self.input1 = Fl_Input(95, 90, 140, 50) self.input1.label("Input box") self.end() def button1callback(self, widget): widget.label(self.input1.value()) Fl.scheme("plastic") app = MyApp(450, 155, "Widget communication") app.show() Fl.run() I'm sad the AP people decided on Java. Java has so much syntax overhead. I don't think it's a good first language. But many schools are teaching it cause it's the AP language. Take a look at this http://www.cs.sfu.ca/news/events/psc/io/ Look at each language. They all do the exact same thing!!!! -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From petre at maltzen.net Mon Feb 19 14:05:47 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:05:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: fl_teachertool can't broadcast on k12 6 In-Reply-To: References: <45D881CE.5070609@maltzen.net> <45D8CFFD.8080702@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45D9AEBB.7050503@maltzen.net> Something is wrong with vncreflector. When I try to start it, as directed in step #1 below, I see this in /var/log/messages: Feb 19 08:02:34 k12ltsp xinetd[2818]: START: vnc-800x600x16 pid=4200 from=127.0.0.1 Feb 19 08:02:34 k12ltsp vncreflector: *** buffer overflow detected ***: vncreflector terminated Feb 19 08:02:34 k12ltsp xinetd[2818]: EXIT: vnc-800x600x16 status=0 pid=4200 duration=0(sec) Any idea what would cause a buffer overflow? Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 2/18/07, Petre Scheie wrote: >> Yes, vnc-reflector-1.2.4-3.fc6 is installed, according to rpm. Any >> other ideas? The error message suggests that the clients are refusing >> the connection. During the broadcast, a new login window and session >> are created; perhaps the error is about establishing that vnc session to >> the server rather than the vnc sessions to the clients? >> > > Okay lets try this manually > > 1) first start the reflector > /usr/bin/vncreflector /etc/fl_teachertool/HOST_INFO_FILE & > > 2) start vncviewer for the teacher > /usr/bin/teachertool-vncviewer localhost:99 & > > 3)start vncviewer for a student (from a client) > /usr/bin/teachertool-vncviewer -viewonly localhost:99 & > > Let me know how it fails. Also check that you have the package > "vnc-ltsp-config" installed. From petre at maltzen.net Mon Feb 19 14:11:29 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:11:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] linux/windows terminal server client error: can't upgrade license In-Reply-To: <56474.192.168.254.3.1171690559.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <56474.192.168.254.3.1171690559.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <45D9B011.9010700@maltzen.net> Hmm. This probably won't help you much, but this problem rings a bell. I *think* I remember others running into this problem previously. Search the list archives, perhaps check the LTSP mailing list archives, too. Petre Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello All, > > After updating all our windows 2003 server's from Sp1 to SP2, now, when > trying to connect to one of them with the linux Windows terminal server > client, I am getting the following error message:" Can't upgrade license". > I can connect fine with a regular Winders RDP. Has anyone ever got this > error message with Linux RDP?..it has worked flawlessly.. > It acts like RDP is going to connect but then the message appears. I can > telnet and connect to this server on port 3389. > it is only one server of the 5 that does this. Don't have a clue how I > could troubleshoot this. > > K12LTSP 5.0 > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Feb 19 14:16:59 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:16:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update fails In-Reply-To: <3814.192.168.0.10.1171846227.squirrel@192.168.0.250> References: <45D8ECAB.5040300@maltzen.net> <45D8F2B5.30809@maltzen.net> <3814.192.168.0.10.1171846227.squirrel@192.168.0.250> Message-ID: <45D9B15B.5080200@maltzen.net> Thanks for that. I notice my K12LTSP 5 (FC5) server is now having the same problem. Using the exclude command works, but why is this problem arising now? Was the K12LTSP repo previously in sync with the Extras repo, but is no longer? Petre wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com wrote: > Just disable the icewm package in yum for the Extra's repo. Goto your > /etc/yum.repos.d/ and edit the Extra's repo file and add the exclude > command. :) > > > exclude=icewm > > > Wilson > > >> More info: It appears to be a conflict between the k12lstp repo and the >> extras repo. K12ltsp uses icewm-* version 1.2.28, which is what is >> installed; and the extras repo has icewm-* version 1.2.30. I disabled >> the extras repo (yes, there's a way to do it on the commandline passed >> to yum, but I can never remember the syntax) and then 'yum update' ran >> fine. But I'd rather not have to turn off the extras repo whenever I do >> an update. Is this normal? >> >> Petre >> >> Petre Scheie wrote: >>> Just installed k12lstp 6, and am trying to run yum update. It fails >>> with this error: >>> >>> --> Processing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 for package: icewm-l10n >>> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >>> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 is needed by package >>> icewm-l10n >>> >>> But icewm is installed (by default): >>> >>> # rpm -qa |grep ice >>> icewm-menu-gnome2-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>> icewm-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>> icewm-themes-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>> icewm-l10n-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>> >>> I deleted the /var/lib/rpm/__db* files and ran 'rpm --rebuilddb', but it >>> made no difference. Any suggestions? >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 16:13:48 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:13:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: networking question Message-ID: <9bd317560702190813x691b79fdjea5dd1fd6aa87231@mail.gmail.com> Does anybody have an idea of what sort of bandwidth is involved in mounting home folders with "net use u: /home //server/share" on a populated 24 port 10/100 switch (win98)? Would saturate a 10/100 link? Thanks, Peter From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Feb 19 17:36:49 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:36:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: networking question In-Reply-To: <9bd317560702190813x691b79fdjea5dd1fd6aa87231@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560702190813x691b79fdjea5dd1fd6aa87231@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45D9E031.1080708@paasda.org> We have no problems with that... 40+ users on the staff side and 22 in the student windows lab... never seen an issue with it. --Huck Peter Hartmann wrote: > Does anybody have an idea of what sort of bandwidth is involved in > mounting home folders with "net use u: /home //server/share" on a > populated 24 port 10/100 switch (win98)? Would saturate a 10/100 > link? > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From olivier.mugnier at laposte.net Mon Feb 19 17:38:13 2007 From: olivier.mugnier at laposte.net (Olivier Mugnier) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:38:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] linux/windows terminal server client error: can't upgradelicense References: <56474.192.168.254.3.1171690559.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <45D9B011.9010700@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <001a01c7544c$bbf40e50$0100450a@olivier> Is that related of license type in windows ? for site or for users Is both of them accepted ? You can change license type only once on windows ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] linux/windows terminal server client error: can't upgradelicense > Hmm. This probably won't help you much, but this problem rings a bell. I > *think* I remember others running into this problem previously. Search > the list archives, perhaps check the LTSP mailing list archives, too. > > Petre > > Barry Cisna wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> After updating all our windows 2003 server's from Sp1 to SP2, now, when >> trying to connect to one of them with the linux Windows terminal server >> client, I am getting the following error message:" Can't upgrade >> license". >> I can connect fine with a regular Winders RDP. Has anyone ever got this >> error message with Linux RDP?..it has worked flawlessly.. >> It acts like RDP is going to connect but then the message appears. I can >> telnet and connect to this server on port 3389. >> it is only one server of the 5 that does this. Don't have a clue how I >> could troubleshoot this. >> >> K12LTSP 5.0 >> >> Thanks, >> >> Barry Cisna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 17:50:25 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:50:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: fl_teachertool can't broadcast on k12 6 In-Reply-To: <45D9AEBB.7050503@maltzen.net> References: <45D881CE.5070609@maltzen.net> <45D8CFFD.8080702@maltzen.net> <45D9AEBB.7050503@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 2/19/07, Petre Scheie wrote: > Something is wrong with vncreflector. When I try to start it, as directed in step #1 > below, I see this in /var/log/messages: > > Feb 19 08:02:34 k12ltsp xinetd[2818]: START: vnc-800x600x16 pid=4200 from=127.0.0.1 > Feb 19 08:02:34 k12ltsp vncreflector: *** buffer overflow detected ***: vncreflector > terminated > Feb 19 08:02:34 k12ltsp xinetd[2818]: EXIT: vnc-800x600x16 status=0 pid=4200 duration=0(sec) > > Any idea what would cause a buffer overflow? Never seen that before. Just to confirm, this is happening BEFORE step 2. Try downloading the source and compile it yourself. Here is the source http://sourceforge.net/projects/vnc-reflector/ grab the tarball, untar it, cd to the dir and type "make". Then cp the vncreflector binary to /usr/bin See if that helps. Can anyone else confirm this as I don't have k12ltsp 6.0? -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 17:54:34 2007 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:54:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP!! thin kernel: EDAC MC1: CE - no information available: k8_edac Error Overflow set Message-ID: <8b88203f0702190954x5ceb1226r2bbdf40faa093484@mail.gmail.com> I've got a messages log file with a zillion of these errors. 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URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Feb 19 21:05:39 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:05:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: fl_teachertool can't broadcast on k12 6 In-Reply-To: References: <45D881CE.5070609@maltzen.net> <45D8CFFD.8080702@maltzen.net> <45D9AEBB.7050503@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45DA1123.7010603@maltzen.net> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 2/19/07, Petre Scheie wrote: >> Something is wrong with vncreflector. When I try to start it, as >> directed in step #1 >> below, I see this in /var/log/messages: >> >> Feb 19 08:02:34 k12ltsp xinetd[2818]: START: vnc-800x600x16 pid=4200 >> from=127.0.0.1 >> Feb 19 08:02:34 k12ltsp vncreflector: *** buffer overflow detected >> ***: vncreflector >> terminated >> Feb 19 08:02:34 k12ltsp xinetd[2818]: EXIT: vnc-800x600x16 status=0 >> pid=4200 duration=0(sec) >> >> Any idea what would cause a buffer overflow? > > Never seen that before. Just to confirm, this is happening BEFORE step > 2. Try downloading the source and compile it yourself. Here is the > source > http://sourceforge.net/projects/vnc-reflector/ > grab the tarball, untar it, cd to the dir and type "make". Then cp the > vncreflector binary to /usr/bin See if that helps. Can anyone else > confirm this as I don't have k12ltsp 6.0? > Yes, it was happening (crashing) before step 2. I downloaded and compiled vncreflector and once that was in place in /usr/bin/, everything worked fine. I notice that the size of the original vncreflector is 101812 bytes, while the one I compiled is 102604 bytes. I've got a working fl_teachertool now, but I'm not sure if the problem is my machine or something is wrong with the vncreflector package. Thanks for your help, Robert. Petre From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 21:33:17 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:33:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: networking question In-Reply-To: <45D9E031.1080708@paasda.org> References: <9bd317560702190813x691b79fdjea5dd1fd6aa87231@mail.gmail.com> <45D9E031.1080708@paasda.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560702191333r68448d30u39fbe641fda54969@mail.gmail.com> ok thanks Huck. I think it's because they have one account per class. When a class logs in 35+ users in the lab, programs are trying to simultanousely open and save files in the same "Application Data" folder. That would cause something that looks like a slow network right? Thanks, Petter On 2/19/07, Huck wrote: > We have no problems with that... > > 40+ users on the staff side and 22 in the student windows lab... > > never seen an issue with it. > > --Huck > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Does anybody have an idea of what sort of bandwidth is involved in > > mounting home folders with "net use u: /home //server/share" on a > > populated 24 port 10/100 switch (win98)? Would saturate a 10/100 > > link? > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at hvja.org Mon Feb 19 21:57:15 2007 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:57:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP FC6 flavour hangs on system message bus on bootup Message-ID: <45DA1D3B.7010400@hvja.org> http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=99396&page=2&pp=15 this is all I've found concerning this... is this a LDAP issue? the 'fixes' suggested don't actual SOLVE the problem though...as I need to authenticate via LDAP --Huck From dhuckaby at hvja.org Tue Feb 20 00:35:19 2007 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:35:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] hanging at system message bus FIXED Message-ID: <45DA4247.5000401@hvja.org> I have absolutely no idea what occurred... finally I resorted to 'upgrading' from the installation DVD... it left everything unharmed and I was able to boot, restart all services and voila...magically all worked I'll know for sure tomorrow when the kids come back to school =) --Huck From rfreidel at computergeex.com Tue Feb 20 05:22:33 2007 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:22:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 6.0 upgrade? Message-ID: <20070219222233.7066863c.rfreidel@computergeex.com> Hi All, been a while since I have done anything with k12ltsp, but the one remaining school I was working with that used it had a hard drive die in their firewall and since I was there anyway, and the fact they were using ltsp built on fedora core 2 I decided I would "upgrade" the server. I am lost with Fedora, first thing... I started the upgrade then decided against it, I already had a copy of /etc & /home so I rebooted and did a clean install while I worked on the firewall, I got the content filtering firewall running while the install from dvd was doing its thing. Now the last time I did a install of k12ltsp I didn't have to do much to it to make it work, it worked out of the box so to speak, so I anticipated the same type of result, well got to the end of the install and the prompt of installing boot loader hung on the screen, I let it sit there for about 8 mins, finally rebooted the server hoping grub was setup, to my pleasant surprise it was. Then when the machine booted I tested the internet and it worked, then I turned on a "thin client" that boots off of a floppy, it couldn't find a dhcp server, so I tried another, it didn't work either. Then I tried one of the windows machines, it got its ip from the server, but no internet. I tried with my laptop, got an ip, valid gateway, resolv.conf listed the server as nameserver, but couldn't ping a numeric ip beyond the server. Nat was started, no firewall was enabled on the server since it sat behind a filtering firewall, I did disable selinux during the install as well. Other than that it was a default installation, but it didn't work. The documentation available on the site is pretty much the same as before, so it hasn't helped, browsing the list archives have revealed similar problems, but not quite the same. Is selinux a requirement to get k12ltsp to work? Is there a site somewhere that lists the processes that should be running for the terminal server to work? I did notice that named was not running, or enabled at boot (whatever fedora calls it), is there something that didn't get started/installed? I have no idea what to look for. Sorry this is so long, but the school is two hours away on mountain roads some of the miles are dirt, and its late, gonna head back down there tomorrow to try to fix it and hope to be armed with the fix. Thanks in advance for any tips/advice/flames. -- Ron Freidel From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 20 05:49:23 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:49:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] can't launch 'sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' via desktop icon Message-ID: <45DA8BE3.1070707@maltzen.net> On my new K12LTSP 6 box, if I call 'sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' from a xterm session, it comes up fine. But if I create a desktop icon (launcher in gnome) that calls this same command, nothing happens when I click on the icon. I've got other icons that call ssh to another host and launch a graphical app, and they all work fine. Any idea why sudo and fl_teachertool won't launch? It works on version 5 if that matters. Petre From nadavkav at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 12:38:06 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:38:06 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] can't launch 'sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' via desktop icon In-Reply-To: <45DA8BE3.1070707@maltzen.net> References: <45DA8BE3.1070707@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4219988b0702200438hcddfc6bxfd1f60020870552f@mail.gmail.com> i've had the same issue, try setting Group or Others execute permission bit on the file /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool ( i think that should do it ) On 2/20/07, Petre Scheie wrote: > > On my new K12LTSP 6 box, if I call 'sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' from > a xterm session, it comes up fine. But if I create a desktop icon > (launcher in gnome) that calls this same command, nothing happens when I > click on the icon. I've got other icons that call ssh to another host > and launch a graphical app, and they all work fine. Any idea why sudo > and fl_teachertool won't launch? It works on version 5 if that matters. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 14:40:38 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:40:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap will not start on server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am a little late in responding, but the reason I can't do this remotely is that it is sitting behind at least 2 firewalls and a bunch of policies that severely restrict remote access by anyone that is not directly employed by the state's IT department. On 2/16/07, David Trask wrote: > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >I do have backups running nightly for the database, but trying to walk > >the tech coord through the steps via the phone when he is being pressured > >by teachers/etc is not a fun thing. I wouldn't have an issue with > >resetting the database from the backups, but not something I want to try > >remotely just yet. > > Why? Doing it remotely is exactly the same as doing it > locally....especially if you're using a terminal or PuTTY and doing it > with CLI. I usually skip the phone call and just ask for root access so I > can do it myself. (Then I ask them to change the root password back to > something else when done) Seriously though....don't be afraid to reset > the ldap database remotely....it's not big deal. :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 14:45:59 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:45:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Discussion on sound (not meant as a rant) In-Reply-To: References: <200701191358.54291.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: Final follow-up on this. Ryan (the tech coord) informed me that the demo of using United Streaming went flawlessly last Friday. He was even able to show an ad hoc presentation by one of the invited speakers that used both Windows Media player and flash-based movies from a usb stick without any problems. Again, many many thanks to everyone for the assistance that let this happen. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins On 2/4/07, David Hopkins wrote: > > A little more on the continue saga of getting mplayer with the gui to > work. > > mplayer runs solidly now, playing all the videos that I have tried from > UnitedStreaming provided I start it from a terminal session. I have not > gotten either the gui interface nor the plugin to work properly. > > GUI: For the gui, it launches but the moment you start a clip, it > freezes. Now, the only clue I have is that if you try to then open a > terminal session after launching gmplayer, the terminal session also > freezes. Is there a possibility that the gui is trying to write to std out > and can't so it freezes? If I execute a CTRL-C for the terminal window, I > then get the prompt back, and can kill gmplayer. > > Plugin: The plugin shows as loaded, and shows that it is > downloading/buffering, but then on playback, I do not get anything, no > picture, no sound. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 20 15:38:18 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:38:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Discussion on sound (not meant as a rant) In-Reply-To: References: <200701191358.54291.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45DB15EA.5090707@maltzen.net> Dave- How did you finally fix the problems of playing the United Streaming content? In the last episode that I caught, you were using mplayer, but sound was not working, as I recall. Petre David Hopkins wrote: > Final follow-up on this. > > Ryan (the tech coord) informed me that the demo of using United > Streaming went flawlessly last Friday. He was even able to show an ad > hoc presentation by one of the invited speakers that used both Windows > Media player and flash-based movies from a usb stick without any problems. > > Again, many many thanks to everyone for the assistance that let this happen. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > On 2/4/07, *David Hopkins* < dahopkins429 at gmail.com > > wrote: > > A little more on the continue saga of getting mplayer with the gui > to work. > > mplayer runs solidly now, playing all the videos that I have tried > from UnitedStreaming provided I start it from a terminal session. I > have not gotten either the gui interface nor the plugin to work > properly. > > GUI: For the gui, it launches but the moment you start a clip, it > freezes. Now, the only clue I have is that if you try to then open > a terminal session after launching gmplayer, the terminal session > also freezes. Is there a possibility that the gui is trying to > write to std out and can't so it freezes? If I execute a CTRL-C for > the terminal window, I then get the prompt back, and can kill gmplayer. > > Plugin: The plugin shows as loaded, and shows that it is > downloading/buffering, but then on playback, I do not get anything, > no picture, no sound. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From morris_r at 4j.lane.edu Tue Feb 20 15:36:02 2007 From: morris_r at 4j.lane.edu (roger morris) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:36:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] hanging at system message bus FIXED In-Reply-To: <45DA4247.5000401@hvja.org> References: <45DA4247.5000401@hvja.org> Message-ID: <45DB1562.7040903@4j.lane.edu> Huck wrote: > I have absolutely no idea what occurred... > > finally I resorted to 'upgrading' from the installation DVD... > it left everything unharmed and I was able to boot, restart all > services and voila...magically all worked > > I'll know for sure tomorrow when the kids come back to school =) > > --Huck I had a similar problem. When they altered the BaseDN in Ldap, a couple of the servers refused to boot. Going single user mode and altering /etc/ldap.conf to match the new server settings allowed it to boot. Possibly the nssswitch.conf had 'ldap' in the wrong place. Roger From robark at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 16:55:53 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:55:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] can't launch 'sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' via desktop icon In-Reply-To: <4219988b0702200438hcddfc6bxfd1f60020870552f@mail.gmail.com> References: <45DA8BE3.1070707@maltzen.net> <4219988b0702200438hcddfc6bxfd1f60020870552f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/20/07, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > i've had the same issue, > try setting Group or Others execute permission bit on the file > /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool > ( i think that should do it ) This is odd, why should allowing others or group execute bit matter if it's being run as root. My makefile sets the permissions to 754. If by using sudo it's being run as root there should be no problem. Sometimes I forget to put sudo in front of the fl_teachertool command. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Tue Feb 20 17:04:18 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:04:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting older thin clients Message-ID: <45DB2A12.1060502@peopleplaces.org> Hi - I would like to use a boatload of older pentium machines as k12ltsp thin clients. Most are Pentium-MMX computers, though a few might be PIIs. I don't think their BIOSs have a 'Boot from network' setting; nor, at this point, do they have netboot-capable NICs in them. What steps should I follow to set these up as clients? I'd like to batch-order NICs and BIOSs (if necessary) so I'm dealing with all similar hardware. Any suggestions? I'd love to not use floppies and just have them turn on and go. I'm fairly new to this so please bear with me.. so far with this new server I've only booted an AMD K2 w/ a 3c905tx using a floppy created from rom-o-matic. Thanks, Michael Blinn -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Feb 20 17:09:41 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:09:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting older thin clients Message-ID: <20070220100941.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.bcbe5e1d31.wbe@email.secureserver.net> In one of our labs that had older machines, I created a Bootable CD and use that in the machines to boot off of the K12LTSP server. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 (251) 363-3201 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Booting older thin clients > From: Michael Blinn > Date: Tue, February 20, 2007 11:04 am > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Hi - I would like to use a boatload of older pentium machines as k12ltsp > thin clients. Most are Pentium-MMX computers, though a few might be > PIIs. I don't think their BIOSs have a 'Boot from network' setting; nor, > at this point, do they have netboot-capable NICs in them. What steps > should I follow to set these up as clients? I'd like to batch-order NICs > and BIOSs (if necessary) so I'm dealing with all similar hardware. Any > suggestions? I'd love to not use floppies and just have them turn on and > go. I'm fairly new to this so please bear with me.. so far with this new > server I've only booted an AMD K2 w/ a 3c905tx using a floppy created > from rom-o-matic. > > Thanks, > Michael Blinn > > -- > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Feb 20 17:42:57 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:42:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting older thin clients Message-ID: <20070220104257.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0500370691.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I don't think that it would since after the system starts to boot, everything is run from the server. I haven't tried using the CDs after the systems have booted. Maybe someone else can expand on this. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 (251) 363-3201 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting older thin clients > From: Michael Blinn > Date: Tue, February 20, 2007 11:31 am > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Does this method cause any issues with local devices? (for example, when a user wishes to access a local data CD?) > Thanks Ron, > Michael > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: In one of our labs that had older machines, I created a Bootable CD and > use that in the machines to boot off of the K12LTSP server. > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > (251) 363-3201 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Booting older thin clients > From: Michael Blinn > Date: Tue, February 20, 2007 11:04 am > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Hi - I would like to use a boatload of older pentium machines as k12ltsp > thin clients. Most are Pentium-MMX computers, though a few might be > PIIs. I don't think their BIOSs have a 'Boot from network' setting; nor, > at this point, do they have netboot-capable NICs in them. What steps > should I follow to set these up as clients? I'd like to batch-order NICs > and BIOSs (if necessary) so I'm dealing with all similar hardware. Any > suggestions? I'd love to not use floppies and just have them turn on and > go. I'm fairly new to this so please bear with me.. so far with this new > server I've only booted an AMD K2 w/ a 3c905tx using a floppy created > from rom-o-matic. > > Thanks, > Michael Blinn > > -- > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > -- > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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Thank you. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 20 18:18:01 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:18:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] can't launch 'sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' via desktop icon In-Reply-To: References: <45DA8BE3.1070707@maltzen.net> <4219988b0702200438hcddfc6bxfd1f60020870552f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45DB3B59.5050007@maltzen.net> I don't think it's necessary, either. I made numerous changes and tweaks late last night (IOW, I was tired and groggy), including changes to the sudoers file--I think I had had some mistakes in there because when I trimmed it back, some things started working. This morning I changed the group to 'teachers', of which my ID is a member, on fl_teachertool, tried my icon, and no joy. Then discovered my icon was calling 'sudo xclock' as part of an earlier debugging effort. Changed it to call 'sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' and it worked! Then I changed the group back to root, as it originally was, and it still works. So, I'm not sure why it wasn't working for me originally and I don't know exactly what I did to fix it. I do know that compiling my own vncreflector, as mentioned in another thread, was key to getting Broadcast to work. But I don't think that has anything to do with why I could not get fl_teachertool to launch via an icon. Petre Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 2/20/07, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: >> i've had the same issue, >> try setting Group or Others execute permission bit on the file >> /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool >> ( i think that should do it ) > > This is odd, why should allowing others or group execute bit matter if > it's being run as root. My makefile sets the permissions to 754. If by > using sudo it's being run as root there should be no problem. > Sometimes I forget to put sudo in front of the fl_teachertool command. > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 20 18:21:57 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:21:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo not defaulting to MS formats in version 6 Message-ID: <45DB3C45.5020103@maltzen.net> I just noticed that OOo is not defaulting to MS formats--.doc, .xls, .ppt--when saving documents. I see the /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh file, and I ran it as root, but it didn't change anything for existing users (didn't try creating a new user afterward). Didn't there use to be an icon on root's desktop for running this? Or was it run by default during installation? Should the script still work? Petre From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 20 18:27:12 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:27:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update fails In-Reply-To: <45D9B15B.5080200@maltzen.net> References: <45D8ECAB.5040300@maltzen.net> <45D8F2B5.30809@maltzen.net> <3814.192.168.0.10.1171846227.squirrel@192.168.0.250> <45D9B15B.5080200@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45DB3D80.9040801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > Thanks for that. I notice my K12LTSP 5 (FC5) server is now having the > same problem. Using the exclude command works, but why is this problem > arising now? Was the K12LTSP repo previously in sync with the Extras > repo, but is no longer? > > Petre I noticed this one on some of my boxes as well. Icewm was just added to extras, it was not included previously. I'll update the K12LTSP packages so that they don't conflict... -Eric > wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com wrote: >> Just disable the icewm package in yum for the Extra's repo. Goto your >> /etc/yum.repos.d/ and edit the Extra's repo file and add the exclude >> command. :) >> >> >> exclude=icewm >> >> >> Wilson >> >> >>> More info: It appears to be a conflict between the k12lstp repo and the >>> extras repo. K12ltsp uses icewm-* version 1.2.28, which is what is >>> installed; and the extras repo has icewm-* version 1.2.30. I disabled >>> the extras repo (yes, there's a way to do it on the commandline passed >>> to yum, but I can never remember the syntax) and then 'yum update' ran >>> fine. But I'd rather not have to turn off the extras repo whenever I do >>> an update. Is this normal? >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>>> Just installed k12lstp 6, and am trying to run yum update. It fails >>>> with this error: >>>> >>>> --> Processing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 for package: icewm-l10n >>>> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >>>> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 is needed by package >>>> icewm-l10n >>>> >>>> But icewm is installed (by default): >>>> >>>> # rpm -qa |grep ice >>>> icewm-menu-gnome2-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>>> icewm-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>>> icewm-themes-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>>> icewm-l10n-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>>> >>>> I deleted the /var/lib/rpm/__db* files and ran 'rpm --rebuilddb', >>>> but it >>>> made no difference. Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> Petre >>>> From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 20 18:31:57 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:31:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo not defaulting to MS formats in version 6 In-Reply-To: <45DB3C45.5020103@maltzen.net> References: <45DB3C45.5020103@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45DB3E9D.3030603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > I just noticed that OOo is not defaulting to MS formats--.doc, .xls, > .ppt--when saving documents. I see the > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh file, and > I ran it as root, but it didn't change anything for existing users > (didn't try creating a new user afterward). Didn't there use to be an > icon on root's desktop for running this? Or was it run by default > during installation? Should the script still work? > > Petre > Running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh should reset the defaults back to the MS formats. If a user changes their personal settings, it will over-ride the defaults. You might try nuking a user's ~/.openoffice* directory so that they pick back up the default settings. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 20 19:06:14 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:06:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update fails In-Reply-To: <45DB3D80.9040801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45D8ECAB.5040300@maltzen.net> <45D8F2B5.30809@maltzen.net> <3814.192.168.0.10.1171846227.squirrel@192.168.0.250> <45D9B15B.5080200@maltzen.net> <45DB3D80.9040801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45DB46A6.1060600@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: >> Thanks for that. I notice my K12LTSP 5 (FC5) server is now having the >> same problem. Using the exclude command works, but why is this problem >> arising now? Was the K12LTSP repo previously in sync with the Extras >> repo, but is no longer? >> >> Petre > > > I noticed this one on some of my boxes as well. Icewm was just added to > extras, it was not included previously. > > I'll update the K12LTSP packages so that they don't conflict... > > -Eric New IceWM packages for K12LTSP 5.0 32/64bit and K12LTSP 6.0 32bit have been uploaded (hopefully 6.0 64bit later in the day). The repositories are rebuilding right now, should be done within a half hour... -Eric >> wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com wrote: >>> Just disable the icewm package in yum for the Extra's repo. Goto your >>> /etc/yum.repos.d/ and edit the Extra's repo file and add the exclude >>> command. :) >>> >>> >>> exclude=icewm >>> >>> >>> Wilson >>> >>> >>>> More info: It appears to be a conflict between the k12lstp repo and the >>>> extras repo. K12ltsp uses icewm-* version 1.2.28, which is what is >>>> installed; and the extras repo has icewm-* version 1.2.30. I disabled >>>> the extras repo (yes, there's a way to do it on the commandline passed >>>> to yum, but I can never remember the syntax) and then 'yum update' ran >>>> fine. But I'd rather not have to turn off the extras repo whenever I do >>>> an update. Is this normal? >>>> >>>> Petre >>>> >>>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>>>> Just installed k12lstp 6, and am trying to run yum update. It fails >>>>> with this error: >>>>> >>>>> --> Processing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 for package: icewm-l10n >>>>> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >>>>> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 is needed by package >>>>> icewm-l10n >>>>> >>>>> But icewm is installed (by default): >>>>> >>>>> # rpm -qa |grep ice >>>>> icewm-menu-gnome2-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>>>> icewm-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>>>> icewm-themes-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>>>> icewm-l10n-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>>>> >>>>> I deleted the /var/lib/rpm/__db* files and ran 'rpm --rebuilddb', >>>>> but it >>>>> made no difference. Any suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> Petre >>>>> > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 20 20:24:29 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:24:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo not defaulting to MS formats in version 6 In-Reply-To: <45DB3E9D.3030603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45DB3C45.5020103@maltzen.net> <45DB3E9D.3030603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45DB58FD.4080403@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: >> I just noticed that OOo is not defaulting to MS formats--.doc, .xls, >> .ppt--when saving documents. I see the >> /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh file, and >> I ran it as root, but it didn't change anything for existing users >> (didn't try creating a new user afterward). Didn't there use to be an >> icon on root's desktop for running this? Or was it run by default >> during installation? Should the script still work? >> >> Petre >> > > > Running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh > should reset the defaults back to the MS formats. > > If a user changes their personal settings, it will over-ride the > defaults. You might try nuking a user's ~/.openoffice* directory so that > they pick back up the default settings. > Removing the users ~/.openoffice* does fix it. Did the openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh previously run automatically or have I just forgotten that I ran it manually in the past? Thanks Eric. Petre From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 20 20:25:37 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:25:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update fails In-Reply-To: <45DB46A6.1060600@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45D8ECAB.5040300@maltzen.net> <45D8F2B5.30809@maltzen.net> <3814.192.168.0.10.1171846227.squirrel@192.168.0.250> <45D9B15B.5080200@maltzen.net> <45DB3D80.9040801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45DB46A6.1060600@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45DB5941.1050801@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> Petre Scheie wrote: >>> Thanks for that. I notice my K12LTSP 5 (FC5) server is now having the >>> same problem. Using the exclude command works, but why is this problem >>> arising now? Was the K12LTSP repo previously in sync with the Extras >>> repo, but is no longer? >>> >>> Petre >> >> I noticed this one on some of my boxes as well. Icewm was just added to >> extras, it was not included previously. >> >> I'll update the K12LTSP packages so that they don't conflict... >> >> -Eric > > > New IceWM packages for K12LTSP 5.0 32/64bit and K12LTSP 6.0 32bit have > been uploaded (hopefully 6.0 64bit later in the day). > > The repositories are rebuilding right now, should be done within a half > hour... > > -Eric > 'yum update' works just fine now, including Extras. Thanks Eric. You're two for two today! Petre >>> wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com wrote: >>>> Just disable the icewm package in yum for the Extra's repo. Goto your >>>> /etc/yum.repos.d/ and edit the Extra's repo file and add the exclude >>>> command. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> exclude=icewm >>>> >>>> >>>> Wilson >>>> >>>> >>>>> More info: It appears to be a conflict between the k12lstp repo and the >>>>> extras repo. K12ltsp uses icewm-* version 1.2.28, which is what is >>>>> installed; and the extras repo has icewm-* version 1.2.30. I disabled >>>>> the extras repo (yes, there's a way to do it on the commandline passed >>>>> to yum, but I can never remember the syntax) and then 'yum update' ran >>>>> fine. But I'd rather not have to turn off the extras repo whenever I do >>>>> an update. Is this normal? >>>>> >>>>> Petre >>>>> >>>>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>>>>> Just installed k12lstp 6, and am trying to run yum update. It fails >>>>>> with this error: >>>>>> >>>>>> --> Processing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 for package: icewm-l10n >>>>>> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >>>>>> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.28 is needed by package >>>>>> icewm-l10n >>>>>> >>>>>> But icewm is installed (by default): >>>>>> >>>>>> # rpm -qa |grep ice >>>>>> icewm-menu-gnome2-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>>>>> icewm-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>>>>> icewm-themes-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>>>>> icewm-l10n-1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 >>>>>> >>>>>> I deleted the /var/lib/rpm/__db* files and ran 'rpm --rebuilddb', >>>>>> but it >>>>>> made no difference. Any suggestions? >>>>>> >>>>>> Petre >>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 20 20:33:37 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:33:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting older thin clients In-Reply-To: <20070220104257.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0500370691.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070220104257.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0500370691.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <45DB5B21.50505@maltzen.net> You can boot a thin client from a CD, just like you can boot one from a floppy disk. And you can still use the CD drive and the floppy drive for Local Device Access (LDA). But there are some tradeoffs. First, to use the CD or floppy drive, users will have to remove the boot CD/floppy, which means they're going to lose the CD/floppy or scratch/break it or forget to put it back in, etc. If your users are all adults, this might, MIGHT be manageable; but if your users are kids, I think you'll find it frustrating. BTW, LDA does not support music CDs in the clients. You can buy a NIC with a bootrom for $20 at disklessworkstations.com. These are great, and you never have to worry about losing the boot media. Of course, using an etherboot CD or floppy is cheaper, so it really depends on what your priority is. Petre rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I don't think that it would since after the system starts to boot, > everything is run from the server. I haven't tried using the CDs after > the systems have booted. Maybe someone else can expand on this. > > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > (251) 363-3201 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting older thin clients >> From: Michael Blinn >> Date: Tue, February 20, 2007 11:31 am >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >> >> Does this method cause any issues with local devices? (for example, when a user wishes to access a local data CD?) >> Thanks Ron, >> Michael >> >> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: In one of our labs that had older machines, I created a Bootable CD and >> use that in the machines to boot off of the K12LTSP server. >> >> Ron >> >> Ronald R. McDaniel >> Conecuh County Schools >> (251) 578-1752 x30 >> (251) 363-3201 cell >> 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc >> rmcdaniel at indata.us >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [K12OSN] Booting older thin clients >> From: Michael Blinn >> Date: Tue, February 20, 2007 11:04 am >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >> >> Hi - I would like to use a boatload of older pentium machines as k12ltsp >> thin clients. Most are Pentium-MMX computers, though a few might be >> PIIs. I don't think their BIOSs have a 'Boot from network' setting; nor, >> at this point, do they have netboot-capable NICs in them. What steps >> should I follow to set these up as clients? I'd like to batch-order NICs >> and BIOSs (if necessary) so I'm dealing with all similar hardware. Any >> suggestions? I'd love to not use floppies and just have them turn on and >> go. I'm fairly new to this so please bear with me.. so far with this new >> server I've only booted an AMD K2 w/ a 3c905tx using a floppy created >> from rom-o-matic. >> >> Thanks, >> Michael Blinn >> >> -- >> >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: >> This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. 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Thank you. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Tue Feb 20 20:38:05 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:38:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting older thin clients In-Reply-To: <45DB5B21.50505@maltzen.net> References: <20070220104257.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0500370691.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <45DB5B21.50505@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45DB5C2D.3000704@peopleplaces.org> Yeah, my adult users would lose the CDs (; Does the NIC with bootrom route require a semi-new BIOS that can recognize a NIC as a boot device? If not, from a purely intellectual standpoint, how does the computer know to boot from it? Thanks Petre, Michael Petre Scheie wrote: > You can boot a thin client from a CD, just like you can boot one from > a floppy disk. And you can still use the CD drive and the floppy > drive for Local Device Access (LDA). But there are some tradeoffs. > First, to use the CD or floppy drive, users will have to remove the > boot CD/floppy, which means they're going to lose the CD/floppy or > scratch/break it or forget to put it back in, etc. If your users are > all adults, this might, MIGHT be manageable; but if your users are > kids, I think you'll find it frustrating. BTW, LDA does not support > music CDs in the clients. > > You can buy a NIC with a bootrom for $20 at disklessworkstations.com. > These are great, and you never have to worry about losing the boot > media. Of course, using an etherboot CD or floppy is cheaper, so it > really depends on what your priority is. From djaques at corbett.k12.or.us Tue Feb 20 20:43:18 2007 From: djaques at corbett.k12.or.us (Derek Jaques) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:43:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client suggestions Message-ID: <45DB5D66.1060501@corbett.k12.or.us> I posted about this in the fall and got some great responses. I ended up buying 30 fan less terminals from devonit.com Their customer service has been great, and the price was very reasonable, but there have been my quirks out of the box. (USB drives not working, TFTP error, Sound problems) The PTA at our school is so impressed with our new K12LTSP lab that they want to set up another one in our grade school. Anyway... I was hoping that some of the people who are on the forum can suggest thin clients that are "turn key" ready, and hopefully field tested. I am looking for something fan less with front usb ports if possible. Thank you, Derek Jaques Corbett SD From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 20 20:56:02 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:56:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo not defaulting to MS formats in version 6 In-Reply-To: <45DB58FD.4080403@maltzen.net> References: <45DB3C45.5020103@maltzen.net> <45DB3E9D.3030603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45DB58FD.4080403@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45DB6062.2010406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> Petre Scheie wrote: >>> I just noticed that OOo is not defaulting to MS formats--.doc, .xls, >>> .ppt--when saving documents. I see the >>> /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh file, and >>> I ran it as root, but it didn't change anything for existing users >>> (didn't try creating a new user afterward). Didn't there use to be an >>> icon on root's desktop for running this? Or was it run by default >>> during installation? Should the script still work? >>> >>> Petre >>> >> >> >> Running /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh >> should reset the defaults back to the MS formats. >> >> If a user changes their personal settings, it will over-ride the >> defaults. You might try nuking a user's ~/.openoffice* directory so that >> they pick back up the default settings. >> > Removing the users ~/.openoffice* does fix it. Did the > openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh previously run automatically or have I > just forgotten that I ran it manually in the past? > > Thanks Eric. > > Petre > The script runs automatically at install time. Updates can over-write the changes. As far as I know, a user's setting will only over-ride the defaults if the user manually changes their settings. -Eric From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 20 22:20:32 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:20:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting older thin clients In-Reply-To: <45DB5C2D.3000704@peopleplaces.org> References: <20070220104257.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0500370691.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <45DB5B21.50505@maltzen.net> <45DB5C2D.3000704@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <45DB7430.6020000@maltzen.net> No, it's part of the x86 architecture, the same way it 'knows' to ask the floppy drive or hard drive for some sort of boot code. I've got a 486 from 1994 or so with a bootrom NIC and it boots just fine (I just use it for showing off). Any PC will do. Petre Michael Blinn wrote: > Yeah, my adult users would lose the CDs (; > > Does the NIC with bootrom route require a semi-new BIOS that can > recognize a NIC as a boot device? If not, from a purely intellectual > standpoint, how does the computer know to boot from it? > > Thanks Petre, > Michael > > Petre Scheie wrote: >> You can boot a thin client from a CD, just like you can boot one from >> a floppy disk. And you can still use the CD drive and the floppy >> drive for Local Device Access (LDA). But there are some tradeoffs. >> First, to use the CD or floppy drive, users will have to remove the >> boot CD/floppy, which means they're going to lose the CD/floppy or >> scratch/break it or forget to put it back in, etc. If your users are >> all adults, this might, MIGHT be manageable; but if your users are >> kids, I think you'll find it frustrating. BTW, LDA does not support >> music CDs in the clients. >> >> You can buy a NIC with a bootrom for $20 at disklessworkstations.com. >> These are great, and you never have to worry about losing the boot >> media. Of course, using an etherboot CD or floppy is cheaper, so it >> really depends on what your priority is. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 00:19:11 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:19:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] verynice keeps growing Message-ID: On k12ltsp 4.3EL after about 43 days uptime top reports my verynice process as consuming 217M of memory. Does anyone else notice this? Do I really need verynice? -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 21 00:48:11 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:48:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] moving a file to a setgid directory not changing file's group Message-ID: <45DB96CB.4040105@maltzen.net> I have a shared directory, /home/classroom, which is setgid. In this case I have clients that autologin, so documents created on ws001 one day need to be editable on ws002 on another day. If the kids save the file directly in /home/common, the group for the file is set to the same group as that of /home/classroom, in this case, the group name is classroom. However, if a student saves the file in the homedir first and then, via nautilus, drags the file to the /home/classroom folder, the group permissions are not changed to classroom but remain that of the autologin of the given workstation. This means the file can only be edited at the same workstation as where it was created, not what I want. I've been doing shared directories on Unix for 10+ years, and I never noticed this, that the setgid of a directory is ignored if a file is moved to that directory. Copying or creating directly the file works just fine, it's just the moving that's a problem. Or am I just missing something or do I not have the permissions set correctly? Petre From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Wed Feb 21 01:07:24 2007 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:07:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting older thin clients In-Reply-To: <45DB2A12.1060502@peopleplaces.org> References: <45DB2A12.1060502@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <20070220200724.3d61ff6a@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:04:18 -0500 Michael Blinn wrote: > Hi - I would like to use a boatload of older pentium machines as > k12ltsp thin clients. Most are Pentium-MMX computers, though a few > might be PIIs. I don't think their BIOSs have a 'Boot from network' > setting; nor, at this point, do they have netboot-capable NICs in > them. What steps should I follow to set these up as clients? I'd like > to batch-order NICs and BIOSs (if necessary) so I'm dealing with all > similar hardware. Any suggestions? I'd love to not use floppies and > just have them turn on and go. I'm fairly new to this so please bear > with me.. so far with this new server I've only booted an AMD K2 w/ a > 3c905tx using a floppy created from rom-o-matic. > > Thanks, > Michael Blinn > > -- > I actually have all my clients boot from the hard drive. (I know all about the discussion on this list about HD in a system, but anyway) The easiest way I have found to do this is with the Wizzy Tom's Root Boot Disk. But have also done it by installing grub, then using an image from the etherboot web site for my specific NIC. -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 21 01:13:23 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:13:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] moving a file to a setgid directory not changing file's group In-Reply-To: <45DB96CB.4040105@maltzen.net> References: <45DB96CB.4040105@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45DB9CB3.3070006@maltzen.net> After some further digging, I've confirmed that this is normal Unix behavior, and that the best solution seems to be a cron job that runs once a minute to change the group of all the files in /home/classroom. I think this question has even come up on this list before, and that's been the answer. Petre Petre Scheie wrote: > I have a shared directory, /home/classroom, which is setgid. In this > case I have clients that autologin, so documents created on ws001 one > day need to be editable on ws002 on another day. If the kids save the > file directly in /home/common, the group for the file is set to the same > group as that of /home/classroom, in this case, the group name is > classroom. However, if a student saves the file in the homedir first > and then, via nautilus, drags the file to the /home/classroom folder, > the group permissions are not changed to classroom but remain that of > the autologin of the given workstation. This means the file can only be > edited at the same workstation as where it was created, not what I want. > > I've been doing shared directories on Unix for 10+ years, and I never > noticed this, that the setgid of a directory is ignored if a file is > moved to that directory. Copying or creating directly the file works > just fine, it's just the moving that's a problem. Or am I just missing > something or do I not have the permissions set correctly? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 02:11:17 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:41:17 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client suggestions In-Reply-To: <45DB5D66.1060501@corbett.k12.or.us> References: <45DB5D66.1060501@corbett.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <774593a20702201811v1a3d9467mfe7eae14a004916e@mail.gmail.com> On 21/02/07, Derek Jaques wrote: > I posted about this in the fall and got some great responses. I ended > up buying 30 fan less terminals from devonit.com Their customer > service has been great, and the price was very reasonable, but there > have been my quirks out of the box. (USB drives not working, TFTP > error, Sound problems) I am experimenting with ebox2300 from taiwan and MicroJr from www.norhtec.com (essentially both are same) and am happy so far in last two months. Two caveats: 1. With multiple browser windows open the UI is slightly slow 2. You will have to configure couple of files in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc tree to force loading of usbhid devices before usbmouse in case you are using single dongle keyboard/mice devices. > The PTA at our school is so impressed with our new K12LTSP lab that they > want to set up another one in our grade school. Anyway... I was hoping Three cheers for your PTA!!! -- Regards, Sudev Barar From daengbo at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 03:06:21 2007 From: daengbo at gmail.com (Daniel Bodanske) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:06:21 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client suggestions In-Reply-To: <774593a20702201811v1a3d9467mfe7eae14a004916e@mail.gmail.com> References: <45DB5D66.1060501@corbett.k12.or.us> <774593a20702201811v1a3d9467mfe7eae14a004916e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Derek, You could always support the creator of LTSP and purchase terminals guaranteed to work flawlessly with it "out of the box." Visit Jim at www.DisklessWorkstations.Com. Dan On 2/21/07, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 21/02/07, Derek Jaques wrote: > > I posted about this in the fall and got some great responses. I ended > > up buying 30 fan less terminals from devonit.com Their customer > > service has been great, and the price was very reasonable, but there > > have been my quirks out of the box. (USB drives not working, TFTP > > error, Sound problems) > > I am experimenting with ebox2300 from taiwan and MicroJr from > www.norhtec.com (essentially both are same) and am happy so far in > last two months. Two caveats: > 1. With multiple browser windows open the UI is slightly slow > 2. You will have to configure couple of files in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc > tree to force loading of usbhid devices before usbmouse in case you > are using single dongle keyboard/mice devices. > > > The PTA at our school is so impressed with our new K12LTSP lab that they > > want to set up another one in our grade school. Anyway... I was hoping > > Three cheers for your PTA!!! > > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From toddobryan at mac.com Wed Feb 21 03:19:46 2007 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:19:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Graphing Calculator (TI-like) replacement Message-ID: <1172027986.5107.5.camel@tobryan1-laptop> Anybody know of an open-source tool that does most of the stuff that a graphing calculator of the TI variety does? Todd From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Feb 21 03:25:45 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:25:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Graphing Calculator (TI-like) replacement Message-ID: <20070220202545.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e4cdb77f59.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I have used this one for a Pre-Calc class. http://www.graphcalc.com It is pretty good. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 (251) 363-3201 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Graphing Calculator (TI-like) replacement > From: "Todd O'Bryan" > Date: Tue, February 20, 2007 9:19 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Anybody know of an open-source tool that does most of the stuff that a > graphing calculator of the TI variety does? > > Todd > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Feb 21 03:48:27 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:48:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Discussion on sound (not meant as a rant) In-Reply-To: References: < > <200701191358.54291.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > Message-ID: Can you document the steps you took to get everything working correctly? "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Final follow-up on this. > >Ryan (the tech coord) informed me that the demo of using United Streaming >went flawlessly last Friday. He was even able to show an ad hoc >presentation by one of the invited speakers that used both Windows Media >player and flash-based movies from a usb stick without any problems. > >Again, many many thanks to everyone for the assistance that let this >happen. > >Sincerely, >Dave Hopkins > > >On 2/4/07, David Hopkins < [ mailto:dahopkins429 at gmail.com >]dahopkins429 at gmail.com> wrote: > >A little more on the continue saga of getting mplayer with the gui to >work. > >mplayer runs solidly now, playing all the videos that I have tried from >UnitedStreaming provided I start it from a terminal session. I have not >gotten either the gui interface nor the plugin to work properly. > >GUI: For the gui, it launches but the moment you start a clip, it >freezes. Now, the only clue I have is that if you try to then open a >terminal session after launching gmplayer, the terminal session also >freezes. Is there a possibility that the gui is trying to write to std >out and can't so it freezes? If I execute a CTRL-C for the terminal >window, I then get the prompt back, and can kill gmplayer. > >Plugin: The plugin shows as loaded, and shows that it is >downloading/buffering, but then on playback, I do not get anything, no >picture, no sound. > >Sincerely, >Dave Hopkins > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Feb 21 03:51:31 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:51:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash 9 and K12LTSP...what am I missing? Message-ID: Hi all, I'm doing a workshop at a school where they have installed K12LTSP 6 and are trying to get Flash 9 working. When I installed the flash-plugin from yum...version 9 is what came through. Sound is working on everything at this point using Gideon Romms package....at this point Flash is simply not working (at all). I'm wondering if there is a file that needs to be copied somewhere or a symlink needs to be made. Any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 21 05:15:21 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:15:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash 9 and K12LTSP...what am I missing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45DBD569.3090405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm doing a workshop at a school where they have installed K12LTSP 6 and > are trying to get Flash 9 working. When I installed the flash-plugin from > yum...version 9 is what came through. Sound is working on everything at > this point using Gideon Romms package....at this point Flash is simply not > working (at all). I'm wondering if there is a file that needs to be > copied somewhere or a symlink needs to be made. Any ideas? > Flash is not working at all, or just no sound in flash? For sound support make sure you have the libflashsupport package installed, it is not installed by default: yum install libflashsupport If flash is not working at all, only two things come to mind: 1) is this a 64bit install with a 64bit firefox? If yes, install the 32bit firefox: rpm -e firefox.x86_64 yum install firefox.i386 2) try removing the flash package and install it again: rpm -e flash-plugin yum install flash-plugin -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 21 05:17:45 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:17:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] verynice keeps growing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45DBD5F9.3050104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On k12ltsp 4.3EL after about 43 days uptime top reports my verynice > process as consuming 217M of memory. Does anyone else notice this? Do > I really need verynice? > Verynice is supposed to help with run-away processes. If you don't have a problem with run-away processes, you can turn it off: service verynice.init stop chkconfig verynice.init off I recently had verynice chewing up a lot of ram on my server as well. I restarted it and the memory freed up. I have not had a chance to take a look at it. -Eric From computoman at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 10:58:29 2007 From: computoman at yahoo.com (Eddie) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:58:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] alternative remote desktop solution Message-ID: <429512.72320.qm@web54607.mail.yahoo.com> Has anyone tried the software from http://xpunlimited.com/ that allows you to have multple remote desktops from a xp pro desktop machine in a commercial environment? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 11:02:11 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:02:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Discussion on sound (not meant as a rant) In-Reply-To: <45DB15EA.5090707@maltzen.net> References: <200701191358.54291.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <45DB15EA.5090707@maltzen.net> Message-ID: I ended up recompiling from source with just the esd sound drivers as suggested. That seems to have solved the sound issue. I also had to correct the k12ltsp sound hack for flash (seems to be a mistake in the variable name in the cron job, which was listed in another thread). I still can't get gmplayer to work (mplayer with the gui), nor is mplayerplug-in working correctly. However, neither of these are essential for the demo since Ryan just wanted to show that the Unitedstreaming content can be played back as a movie once the actual clips were downloaded to the local server. To do this, I simply put an application launcher icon on the teachers desktop. Dragging and dropping a video file onto the icon launches mplayer (not gmplayer) without the gui and the video works fine. mplayer can be completely controlled through keyboard shortcuts if needed but since all that the teachers wanted was to play complete clips, this is ok for now. I also created a directory for saving the files so that the teachers can share the clips and avoid duplicate downloads. As for documentation, I will definitely document what works once I get the gui and plugin working properly. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins On 2/20/07, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Dave- > How did you finally fix the problems of playing the United Streaming > content? In the last episode that I caught, you were using mplayer, but > sound was not working, as I recall. > > Petre > > David Hopkins wrote: > > Final follow-up on this. > > > > Ryan (the tech coord) informed me that the demo of using United > > Streaming went flawlessly last Friday. He was even able to show an ad > > hoc presentation by one of the invited speakers that used both Windows > > Media player and flash-based movies from a usb stick without any > problems. > > > > Again, many many thanks to everyone for the assistance that let this > happen. > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > On 2/4/07, *David Hopkins* < dahopkins429 at gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > A little more on the continue saga of getting mplayer with the gui > > to work. > > > > mplayer runs solidly now, playing all the videos that I have tried > > from UnitedStreaming provided I start it from a terminal session. I > > have not gotten either the gui interface nor the plugin to work > > properly. > > > > GUI: For the gui, it launches but the moment you start a clip, it > > freezes. Now, the only clue I have is that if you try to then open > > a terminal session after launching gmplayer, the terminal session > > also freezes. Is there a possibility that the gui is trying to > > write to std out and can't so it freezes? 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URL: From stegil at hotmail.com Wed Feb 21 14:53:07 2007 From: stegil at hotmail.com (Steve Gilmore) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:53:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] alternative remote desktop solution References: <429512.72320.qm@web54607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The WinXP patch has been around since XP first came on the market. It's actually an original file from Microsoft that they deleted in the final retail release. All you have to do is replace their file with the original beta and you have the same thing , though without paying some 3rd party for the same stuff. Here's a link for an installer and doc's. http://www.kood.org/terminal-server-patch/ Cheers SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eddie" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:58 AM Subject: [K12OSN] alternative remote desktop solution > Has anyone tried the software from > http://xpunlimited.com/ that allows you to have > multple remote desktops from a xp pro desktop machine > in a commercial environment? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com Wed Feb 21 15:59:11 2007 From: Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com (Theo Turner) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:59:11 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] alternative remote desktop solution Message-ID: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34E62F2@server.CumnorHouse.local> I have also been looking at the xpunlimited package. The patch referred to below works on workgroup computers but not when connected to a domain. This makes it of no use to me. However xpunlimted have a version that works on domain based computers. Does anyone know any more or does anyone have it? Theo -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steve Gilmore Sent: 21 February 2007 14:53 To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] alternative remote desktop solution The WinXP patch has been around since XP first came on the market. It's actually an original file from Microsoft that they deleted in the final retail release. All you have to do is replace their file with the original beta and you have the same thing , though without paying some 3rd party for the same stuff. Here's a link for an installer and doc's. http://www.kood.org/terminal-server-patch/ Cheers SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eddie" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:58 AM Subject: [K12OSN] alternative remote desktop solution > Has anyone tried the software from > http://xpunlimited.com/ that allows you to have > multple remote desktops from a xp pro desktop machine > in a commercial environment? > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From info at baf-computers.com Wed Feb 21 16:52:39 2007 From: info at baf-computers.com (Les Finch) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:52:39 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] alternative remote desktop solution In-Reply-To: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34E62F2@server.CumnorHouse.local> References: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34E62F2@server.CumnorHouse.local> Message-ID: <45DC78D7.1030001@baf-computers.com> I have the first version 1.7 for a year now in a motor car garage and at my office but I have not needed domain based pc's I have not had any faults now the New version is out will try it. Theo Turner wrote: > I have also been looking at the xpunlimited package. The patch referred > to below works on workgroup computers but not when connected to a > domain. This makes it of no use to me. However xpunlimted have a version > that works on domain based computers. Does anyone know any more or does > anyone have it? > > Theo > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Gilmore > Sent: 21 February 2007 14:53 > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] alternative remote desktop solution > > The WinXP patch has been around since XP first came on the market. It's > actually an original file from Microsoft that they deleted in the final > retail release. All you have to do is replace their file with the > original > beta and you have the same thing , though without paying some 3rd party > for > the same stuff. Here's a link for an installer and doc's. > http://www.kood.org/terminal-server-patch/ > Cheers > SteveG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eddie" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:58 AM > Subject: [K12OSN] alternative remote desktop solution > > > >> Has anyone tried the software from >> http://xpunlimited.com/ that allows you to have >> multple remote desktops from a xp pro desktop machine >> in a commercial environment? >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________ > ____________ > >> Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels >> in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. >> http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Wed Feb 21 17:09:37 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:09:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting older thin clients In-Reply-To: <45DB7430.6020000@maltzen.net> References: <20070220104257.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0500370691.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <45DB5B21.50505@maltzen.net> <45DB5C2D.3000704@peopleplaces.org> <45DB7430.6020000@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45DC7CD1.3000105@peopleplaces.org> Thank you - I ordered a test batch of bootrom NICs from disklessworkstations and will be booting old machines soon! Regards, Michael Petre Scheie wrote: > No, it's part of the x86 architecture, the same way it 'knows' to ask > the floppy drive or hard drive for some sort of boot code. I've got a > 486 from 1994 or so with a bootrom NIC and it boots just fine (I just > use it for showing off). Any PC will do. > > Petre > > Michael Blinn wrote: >> Yeah, my adult users would lose the CDs (; >> >> Does the NIC with bootrom route require a semi-new BIOS that can >> recognize a NIC as a boot device? If not, from a purely intellectual >> standpoint, how does the computer know to boot from it? >> >> Thanks Petre, >> Michael >> >> Petre Scheie wrote: >>> You can boot a thin client from a CD, just like you can boot one >>> from a floppy disk. And you can still use the CD drive and the >>> floppy drive for Local Device Access (LDA). But there are some >>> tradeoffs. First, to use the CD or floppy drive, users will have to >>> remove the boot CD/floppy, which means they're going to lose the >>> CD/floppy or scratch/break it or forget to put it back in, etc. If >>> your users are all adults, this might, MIGHT be manageable; but if >>> your users are kids, I think you'll find it frustrating. BTW, LDA >>> does not support music CDs in the clients. >>> >>> You can buy a NIC with a bootrom for $20 at >>> disklessworkstations.com. These are great, and you never have to >>> worry about losing the boot media. Of course, using an etherboot CD >>> or floppy is cheaper, so it really depends on what your priority is. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and in what unremembered seasons? - Kahlil Gibran CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 20:02:15 2007 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:02:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: HELP!! thin kernel: EDAC MC1: CE - no information available: k8_edac Error Overflow set In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0702190954x5ceb1226r2bbdf40faa093484@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0702190954x5ceb1226r2bbdf40faa093484@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b88203f0702211202l5f41e893p87050f0e12eaf218@mail.gmail.com> I've just finished a memory test with zero errors reported. Could these messages have something to do with the thin server processes and not actual server system memory?? I ask this because of the constant references in the reports including "thin kernel ..." in every line: ... thin kernel: EDAC MC1: CE - no inf... The actual messages log is growing to 290 megs before rolling over to a new log file. I've got 2 gigs of errors now in two or three days worth of logs. Also, the server seems to fail every twenty minutes or so when under a heavier load 25+ students. Seems to run without failing for hour on a lighter load... Ideas anyone?? On 2/19/07, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > I've got a messages log file with a zillion of these errors. The thin > client and the server is constantly crashing:: > > > Feb 18 04:05:03 thin kernel: EDAC MC1: CE - no information available: > k8_edac Error Overflow set > Feb 18 04:05:03 thin kernel: EDAC k8 MC1: extended error code: ECC error > Feb 18 04:05:04 thin kernel: EDAC k8 MC1: general bus error: participating > processor(local node origin), time-out(no timeout) memory transaction > type(generic read), mem or i/o(mem access), cache level(generic) > Feb 18 04:05:04 thin kernel: EDAC MC1: CE page 0x12ee25, offset 0xd08, > grain 8, syndrome 0x10, row 1, channel 1, label "": k8_edac > Feb 18 04:05:04 thin kernel: EDAC MC1: CE - no information available: > k8_edac Error Overflow set > Feb 18 04:05:04 thin kernel: EDAC k8 MC1: extended error code: ECC error > Feb 18 04:05:05 thin kernel: EDAC k8 MC1: general bus error: participating > processor(local node origin), time-out(no timeout) memory transaction > type(generic read), mem or i/o(mem access), cache level(generic) > Feb 18 04:05:05 thin kernel: EDAC MC1: CE page 0x12ef6c, offset 0x28, > grain 8, syndrome 0x10, row 1, channel 1, label "": k8_edac > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Feb 21 22:36:29 2007 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:36:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: HELP!! thin kernel: EDAC MC1: CE - no information available: k8_edac Error Overflow set In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0702211202l5f41e893p87050f0e12eaf218@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0702190954x5ceb1226r2bbdf40faa093484@mail.gmail.com> <8b88203f0702211202l5f41e893p87050f0e12eaf218@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <800DCD64-5431-454D-A1B0-D063BF8ED175@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Check this link from google. http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/19/103 Looks like it might be a bad module, despite what memtest says. On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I've just finished a memory test with zero errors reported. Could > these messages have something to do with the thin server processes > and not actual server system memory?? > > I ask this because of the constant references in the reports > including "thin kernel ..." in every line: ... thin kernel: EDAC > MC1: CE - no inf... > > The actual messages log is growing to 290 megs before rolling over > to a new log file. I've got 2 gigs of errors now in two or three > days worth of logs. > > Also, the server seems to fail every twenty minutes or so when > under a heavier load 25+ students. Seems to run without failing > for hour on a lighter load... > > Ideas anyone?? > > On 2/19/07, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I've got a messages log file with a zillion of these errors. The > thin client and the server is constantly crashing:: > > > Feb 18 04:05:03 thin kernel: EDAC MC1: CE - no information > available: k8_edac Error Overflow set > Feb 18 04:05:03 thin kernel: EDAC k8 MC1: extended error code: ECC > error > Feb 18 04:05:04 thin kernel: EDAC k8 MC1: general bus error: > participating processor(local node origin), time-out(no timeout) > memory transaction type(generic read), mem or i/o(mem access), > cache level(generic) > Feb 18 04:05:04 thin kernel: EDAC MC1: CE page 0x12ee25, offset > 0xd08, grain 8, syndrome 0x10, row 1, channel 1, label "": k8_edac > Feb 18 04:05:04 thin kernel: EDAC MC1: CE - no information > available: k8_edac Error Overflow set > Feb 18 04:05:04 thin kernel: EDAC k8 MC1: extended error code: ECC > error > Feb 18 04:05:05 thin kernel: EDAC k8 MC1: general bus error: > participating processor(local node origin), time-out(no timeout) > memory transaction type(generic read), mem or i/o(mem access), > cache level(generic) > Feb 18 04:05:05 thin kernel: EDAC MC1: CE page 0x12ef6c, offset > 0x28, grain 8, syndrome 0x10, row 1, channel 1, label "": k8_edac > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkXcyW0ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRgkgCghgsmSDOUiMkInmSeSCPOSCWR LHsAnRWyn5OAc0qsPpliDXglwuuBf33u =qbre -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From milanofabio at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 23:24:27 2007 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:24:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Rootkit Scanner Message-ID: <35c1344c0702211524pd3e0b97y3dab666dca32feef@mail.gmail.com> Anyone recommend a good rootkit scanner? From rfreidel at computergeex.com Wed Feb 21 23:27:44 2007 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:27:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Rootkit Scanner In-Reply-To: <8626328.1172100276281.JavaMail.root@sniper58> References: <8626328.1172100276281.JavaMail.root@sniper58> Message-ID: <20070221162744.4db11649.rfreidel@computergeex.com> How about http://www.chkrootkit.org/ On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:24:27 -0800 "Fabio Milano" wrote: > Anyone recommend a good rootkit scanner? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Ron Freidel From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Feb 22 01:02:47 2007 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:02:47 -1000 (HST) Subject: [K12OSN] Rootkit Scanner In-Reply-To: <35c1344c0702211524pd3e0b97y3dab666dca32feef@mail.gmail.com> References: <35c1344c0702211524pd3e0b97y3dab666dca32feef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <33665.192.168.0.250.1172106167.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> Check out RKHunter. :) http://www.rootkit.nl/downloads/ Wilson > Anyone recommend a good rootkit scanner? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From BenWillis at anderson5.net Thu Feb 22 01:20:16 2007 From: BenWillis at anderson5.net (Willis, Ben) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:20:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Netware Authentication Message-ID: <098B90F26175B74DB1F74126AEFC9C770411BC0C@a5do-mail.acsd5.local> I'm attempting to get Edubuntu to authenticate my thin clients against my Netware NDS servers using pam_ncp_auth.so I have my server authenticating logins and even creating users on the fly but the thin clients refuse to work. I assume that this is because the ssh session is not authenticating via NCP as well. It will log into an account that already exists on the server though. While testing Ive used a simple ssh session into the server with an account that does not yet exist on the server. I can see in the /var/log/auth.log file that the authentication attempt is made but I get an error that the password is incorrect (of course it is correct). Am I missing something? Surely there are school districts out these still using Netware and wanting to authenticate their students against NDS. Thanks! Ben Willis Anderson School District Five Anderson SC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wilson > Has anyone tried the software from > http://xpunlimited.com/ that allows you to have > multple remote desktops from a xp pro desktop machine > in a commercial environment? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ahodson at elp.rr.com Thu Feb 22 02:30:16 2007 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:30:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP6 question Message-ID: <45DD0038.8030201@elp.rr.com> Hi group I am having a difficult time having some of the modules from http://nlvm.usu.edu/en/nav/vlibrary.html run in 2 of my new V.6 servers, while two others (same basic install) load and run w/o any issues. I am at a loss as to why two don't work. It seems to be Java version (runtime?) update or lack of it. Can someone please shed some light on this matter? Thanks Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX & http://tossfoundation.org -=o=- From bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com Thu Feb 22 02:56:56 2007 From: bjohnson1102 at mchsi.com (Brad Johnson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:56:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Netware Authentication In-Reply-To: <098B90F26175B74DB1F74126AEFC9C770411BC0C@a5do-mail.acsd5.local> References: <098B90F26175B74DB1F74126AEFC9C770411BC0C@a5do-mail.acsd5.local> Message-ID: <45DD0678.1030006@mchsi.com> Hi Ben, I had the same problem with edubuntu, and couldn't resolve the issue. I can authenticate fine using Fedora. Edubuntu uses LDM to authenticate, as opposed to GDM or others. If I understand LDM correctly, it is wrapped in ssh, but I'm unsure why authentication won't work. Willis, Ben wrote: > I'm attempting to get Edubuntu to authenticate my thin clients against my Netware NDS servers using pam_ncp_auth.so > > I have my server authenticating logins and even creating users on the fly but the thin clients refuse to work. I assume that this is because the ssh session is not authenticating via NCP as well. It will log into an account that already exists on the server though. > > While testing Ive used a simple ssh session into the server with an account that does not yet exist on the server. I can see in the /var/log/auth.log file that the authentication attempt is made but I get an error that the password is incorrect (of course it is correct). > > Am I missing something? Surely there are school districts out these still using Netware and wanting to authenticate their students against NDS. > > Thanks! > > Ben Willis > Anderson School District Five > Anderson SC > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 1:44 PM > From BenWillis at anderson5.net Thu Feb 22 03:37:29 2007 From: BenWillis at anderson5.net (Willis, Ben) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:37:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Netware Authentication Message-ID: <098B90F26175B74DB1F74126AEFC9C770411BC0F@a5do-mail.acsd5.local> Thanks for the info. I'm not sure if its good to hear because at least I know its not just me or if its bad to hear that I may not be able to get this to work. The SSH session fails no matter what with an error number -669 in the auth.log file. Without the ssh session the thin client cannot log in. Surely someone in ubuntu or ltsp dev would want this to work given how much Netware still exists. Ben -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Brad Johnson Sent: Wed 2/21/2007 9:56 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP Netware Authentication Hi Ben, I had the same problem with edubuntu, and couldn't resolve the issue. I can authenticate fine using Fedora. Edubuntu uses LDM to authenticate, as opposed to GDM or others. If I understand LDM correctly, it is wrapped in ssh, but I'm unsure why authentication won't work. Willis, Ben wrote: > I'm attempting to get Edubuntu to authenticate my thin clients against my Netware NDS servers using pam_ncp_auth.so > > I have my server authenticating logins and even creating users on the fly but the thin clients refuse to work. I assume that this is because the ssh session is not authenticating via NCP as well. It will log into an account that already exists on the server though. > > While testing Ive used a simple ssh session into the server with an account that does not yet exist on the server. I can see in the /var/log/auth.log file that the authentication attempt is made but I get an error that the password is incorrect (of course it is correct). > > Am I missing something? Surely there are school districts out these still using Netware and wanting to authenticate their students against NDS. > > Thanks! > > Ben Willis > Anderson School District Five > Anderson SC > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 1:44 PM > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com Thu Feb 22 11:11:04 2007 From: Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com (Theo Turner) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:11:04 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] alternative remote desktop solution Message-ID: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC342D55E@server.CumnorHouse.local> I've just tried the Demo version on an xp sp2 domain vmware virtual machine. Worked very well. The way of using it I have been considering is to install a fast machine with linux probably fedora and install the free vmware server. Then run 1 or more virtual machines with xpunlimited installs on. As I see it the advantage of this is I can set the virtual machine to roll back to a fixed snapshot each time it reboots. Thus no one can bust it, or if they do it only needs the virtual machine restarting. On the client side I already use 2xThinClientServer which allows connection to rdp or nx so I could specify which users get a windows desktop and which get my existing linux one. Any thoughts anyone? Theo -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Sent: 22 February 2007 02:00 To: Support list for open source software in schools. Cc: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] alternative remote desktop solution Just tried XPUnlimited's beta package and it didn't work on Windows XP SP2 with all the latest patches. Test computer was in a workgroup and fast user switching was on. MS must of did something with the updated patches. Wilson > Has anyone tried the software from > http://xpunlimited.com/ that allows you to have > multple remote desktops from a xp pro desktop machine > in a commercial environment? > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From info at baf-computers.com Thu Feb 22 13:20:31 2007 From: info at baf-computers.com (Les Finch) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:20:31 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] alternative remote desktop solution In-Reply-To: <35176.192.168.0.250.1172109597.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> References: <429512.72320.qm@web54607.mail.yahoo.com> <35176.192.168.0.250.1172109597.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> Message-ID: <45DD989F.2060701@baf-computers.com> Mine is still working all window updates done. wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com wrote: > Just tried XPUnlimited's beta package and it didn't work on Windows XP SP2 > with all the latest patches. Test computer was in a workgroup and fast > user switching was on. MS must of did something with the updated patches. > > Wilson > > >> Has anyone tried the software from >> http://xpunlimited.com/ that allows you to have >> multple remote desktops from a xp pro desktop machine >> in a commercial environment? >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels >> in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. >> http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 22 13:25:49 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:25:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] alternative remote desktop solution In-Reply-To: <35176.192.168.0.250.1172109597.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> References: <429512.72320.qm@web54607.mail.yahoo.com> <35176.192.168.0.250.1172109597.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> Message-ID: <45DD99DD.7040200@futuresource.com> wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com wrote: > Just tried XPUnlimited's beta package and it didn't work on Windows XP SP2 > with all the latest patches. Test computer was in a workgroup and fast > user switching was on. MS must of did something with the updated patches. Did you turn off XP's firewall? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Feb 22 14:24:35 2007 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:24:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DOS Boot Image via LTSP TFTP? Message-ID: <45DDA7A3.5080102@stmarys-school.org> Hello, We dual boot K12ltsp / Win2K Pro. We are receiving a shipment of 2nd hand XP boxes tomorrow so I need to create an dual boot k12 / XP image and deploy it. I was looking at the 3com boot services CD that came with Ghost and it works like LTSP. So I was think since I already have a bootTP server maybe I could drop in a DOS image temporarily? Does this seem doable? Thanks, John From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 17:46:56 2007 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:46:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Non - English language support? Message-ID: Hello, How are you doing? I hope all is well. I've been asked to configure a machine (standalone installation of k12ltsp) to be able to read and write in arabic. Now, when I google information on this, the pages that explain it are in arabic, which I cannot read! While this isn't exactly ltsp related, it is important in the sense it is for one of the board members of the school where ltsp is implemented, and the reason it was installed for him was to show that it is a viable desktop replacement as well as good for the kids. As the school plans on expanding in the future, being able to do things like support this language is crucial. All help is greatly appreciated. Thank you. Joseph From ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca Thu Feb 22 17:42:38 2007 From: ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca (Ryan Hackl) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:42:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] staroffice 8 default to MS formats? Message-ID: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A5813@mail1.lskysd.ca> Hi! I saw a thread indicating the value of the /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh script in setting the defaults for openoffice to MS formats (for a microsoft dominant environment). Good work! I'm just wondering if there's a similar script for StarOffice 8. I tried running the "openoffice" version of the script, but it didn't work. Looking into the script, I can see why (references to openoffice folders rather than staroffice folders) Thanks for the input! - Ryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The original Fedora build *does have* a good hebrew interface, but a few bugs were fixed by the Israeli team recently. As to your question, to the best of my knowledge Arabic support in Linux is at least as good as Hebrew, so a FC6 machine (or k12ltsp 6) should be a very workable desktop replacement. Foreign language support need not be a cause for hesitation in adopting OSS, not even our RTL languages. It would help, of course if you had an Arabic speaker "on hand", so that when you switch the interface language, you can see if it's working right! Regards, Micha > > While this isn't exactly ltsp related, it is important in the sense it > is for one of the board members of the school where ltsp is > implemented, and the reason it was installed for him was to show that > it is a viable desktop replacement as well as good for the kids. As > the school plans on expanding in the future, being able to do things > like support this language is crucial. > > All help is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you. > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > This mail was sent via Kinneret Mail-SeCure System. > > From nadavkav at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 21:14:09 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:14:09 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Non - English language support? In-Reply-To: <45DDDFB6.20102@arava.co.il> References: <45DDDFB6.20102@arava.co.il> Message-ID: <4219988b0702221314s78c209c7v7fc0ae9cf58aef76@mail.gmail.com> i agree with Micha :-) we enable Hebrew, English, Arabic and Russian languages in K12LTSP6 (fc6) by installing the right KDE-i18n-* packages (using yumex tool) and then enabling them with KDE's Control Panel. you can open an application's UI in both Arabic and Hebrew (simultaneously!!!) have no fear, gnu/linux OSes and most Open Source Software support multi-language UIs and content creation natively. On 2/22/07, Micha Silver wrote: > > Joseph Bishay wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > How are you doing? I hope all is well. > > > > I've been asked to configure a machine (standalone installation of > > k12ltsp) to be able to read and write in arabic. Now, when I google > > information on this, the pages that explain it are in arabic, which I > > cannot read! > I don't know about Arabic specifically, but on our server I've installed > hebrew support, and student's UI's are in hebrew. Many of the KDE apps > are translated, there's a pretty good set of hebrew fonts, and the bidi > (right to left) implementations, which used to drive us crazy, are now > pretty mature. The only non standard addition I did was to replace > Fedora's OpenOffice with the hebrew version built in Israel. The > original Fedora build *does have* a good hebrew interface, but a few > bugs were fixed by the Israeli team recently. > As to your question, to the best of my knowledge Arabic support in Linux > is at least as good as Hebrew, so a FC6 machine (or k12ltsp 6) should be > a very workable desktop replacement. Foreign language support need not > be a cause for hesitation in adopting OSS, not even our RTL languages. > It would help, of course if you had an Arabic speaker "on hand", so that > when you switch the interface language, you can see if it's working right! > > Regards, > Micha > > > > While this isn't exactly ltsp related, it is important in the sense it > > is for one of the board members of the school where ltsp is > > implemented, and the reason it was installed for him was to show that > > it is a viable desktop replacement as well as good for the kids. 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URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 23:21:16 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:21:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Netware Authentication In-Reply-To: <098B90F26175B74DB1F74126AEFC9C770411BC0C@a5do-mail.acsd5.local> References: <098B90F26175B74DB1F74126AEFC9C770411BC0C@a5do-mail.acsd5.local> Message-ID: <200702221921.16427.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> This isn't exactly what you were asking about, but have you considered authenticating against NDS via LDAP? There is a link at Novell that discusses it: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/1630.html I make the suggestion because I know pam_ldap and nss_ldap are in widespread use with Linux and I know it works (ssh too) FWIW. As I have said before, I don't currently use Netware (not since v4) let alone try to attempt Linux integration, so this is just a suggestion. On Wednesday 21 February 2007 21:20, Willis, Ben wrote: > I'm attempting to get Edubuntu to authenticate my thin clients against my > Netware NDS servers using pam_ncp_auth.so > > I have my server authenticating logins and even creating users on the fly > but the thin clients refuse to work. I assume that this is because the ssh > session is not authenticating via NCP as well. It will log into an account > that already exists on the server though. > > While testing Ive used a simple ssh session into the server with an account > that does not yet exist on the server. I can see in the /var/log/auth.log > file that the authentication attempt is made but I get an error that the > password is incorrect (of course it is correct). > > Am I missing something? Surely there are school districts out these still > using Netware and wanting to authenticate their students against NDS. > > Thanks! > > Ben Willis > Anderson School District Five > Anderson SC -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Fri Feb 23 04:42:35 2007 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:42:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DOS Boot Image via LTSP TFTP? Message-ID: Yes it is doable. I currently use this setup on my terminal server. All you do is make your 3com menu with 3com menu making utility. Then update your dhcpd.conf file to load the nameofmenu.sys file instead of the pxelinux.0. Note I do have my dhcp server on a different server. I also setup my terminals to lease a specific ip address and set terminal to use specific file from terminal server. Here is the section of my dhcpd.conf file. class "pxeclients" { match if substring(option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient"; } class "Etherboot" { match if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "Etherboot"; option vendor-encapsulated-options 3c:09:45:74:68:65:72:62:6f:6f:74:ff; filename = "/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.9-ltsp-3"; } subnet 10.100.0.0 netmask 255.255.252.0 { range 10.100.1.0 10.100.3.254; option routers 10.100.0.1; next-server 10.100.0.96; option root-path "10.100.0.96:/opt/ltsp/i386"; filename "hsmenu.mnu"; # filename "STARTROM.COM"; host HS114PC22618 { fixed-address 10.100.0.178; hardware ethernet 00:02:55:30:7F:36; next-server 10.100.0.96; filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: John Baillie [mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:25 AM To: K12OSN Subject: [K12OSN] DOS Boot Image via LTSP TFTP? Hello, We dual boot K12ltsp / Win2K Pro. We are receiving a shipment of 2nd hand XP boxes tomorrow so I need to create an dual boot k12 / XP image and deploy it. I was looking at the 3com boot services CD that came with Ghost and it works like LTSP. So I was think since I already have a bootTP server maybe I could drop in a DOS image temporarily? Does this seem doable? Thanks, John _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 17:11:35 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:11:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Insightful posts on bcfosss Message-ID: After starting bcfosss (British Columbia Free Open Source Software in Schools) list a few days ago it's off to a great start. But this thread has very insightful and interesting posts by a school district IT head. http://groups.google.ca/group/bcfosss/browse_thread/thread/8824baddaea779d4 -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us Fri Feb 23 18:09:49 2007 From: kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us (Kevin Haugh) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:09:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Which client should we buy? Message-ID: <67ab09941144ab3639fff5f88e92c9c6@redlands.k12.ca.us> Hello, I have the opportunity to create a 40 workstation k12ltsp lab at my school site. We have funding available to purchase NEW thin clients for this implementation. I'm looking at the following... LTSP Term 1220 PXE workstation from disklessworkstations.com Symbiont Branded Network Terminal SYM1120 from http://www.technologyrescue.com Any other suggestions? Any others that I should consider? After lurking on this board and "playing" around with K12LTSP, I'm looking forward to making this happen. TIA for any help. -Kevin --------------- Kevin Haugh, Teacher/Asst. Football Coach Redlands High School kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us http://uti.rhs.redlandsusd.net From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 23 18:21:36 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:21:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DST Changes? Message-ID: <20070223182019.M63924@winonacotter.org> Does anyone know if most linux distros have already incorporated updates for the new daylight savings time changes? I have seen things regarding updates for MS and Apple products, but nothing on Linux. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Fri Feb 23 18:22:43 2007 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:22:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which client should we buy? In-Reply-To: <67ab09941144ab3639fff5f88e92c9c6@redlands.k12.ca.us> References: <67ab09941144ab3639fff5f88e92c9c6@redlands.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <1172254963.17673.11.camel@localhost> Have you looked here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients -G On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 10:09 -0800, Kevin Haugh wrote: > Hello, > > I have the opportunity to create a 40 workstation k12ltsp lab at my > school site. We have funding available to purchase NEW thin clients > for this implementation. I'm looking at the following... > > LTSP Term 1220 PXE workstation from disklessworkstations.com > Symbiont Branded Network Terminal SYM1120 from > http://www.technologyrescue.com > > Any other suggestions? Any others that I should consider? > > After lurking on this board and "playing" around with K12LTSP, I'm > looking forward to making this happen. > > TIA for any help. > > -Kevin > --------------- > Kevin Haugh, Teacher/Asst. Football Coach > Redlands High School > kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us > http://uti.rhs.redlandsusd.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From jwiles at johnmorganwiles.com Fri Feb 23 18:50:19 2007 From: jwiles at johnmorganwiles.com (John Wiles) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:50:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DST Changes? In-Reply-To: <20070223182019.M63924@winonacotter.org> References: <20070223182019.M63924@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <45DF376B.1090408@johnmorganwiles.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Does anyone know if most linux distros have already incorporated updates for > the new daylight savings time changes? > > I have seen things regarding updates for MS and Apple products, but nothing on > Linux. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > To check to see if your system hasn't been updated do something Similar to the following: /usr/sbin/zdump -v US/Eastern | fgrep 2007 If you see Apr 1, and Oct 28 in the output your system doesn't have the update. If your distro is RHEL based download tzdata-2006m-2.el4.src.rpm and install the rpm. If you have Java on your system and use it, you will also need to update it as well. Download tzupdater.jar from java.sun.com. To test your java installation use: java -jar tzupdater.jar -t If the JRE has timezone data that doesn't match the one in the tool, the verification tests report errors and fail. To update your java installation use: java -jar tzupdater.jar -u From petre at maltzen.net Fri Feb 23 18:52:30 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:52:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DST Changes? In-Reply-To: <20070223182019.M63924@winonacotter.org> References: <20070223182019.M63924@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <45DF37EE.5090907@maltzen.net> Most distros put out patches for the new DST almost two years ago when the law changing DST was enacted. So, if you've been keeping your system updated, you should already be covered. To see if you're patched, run this: /usr/sbin/zdump -v US/Central |grep 2007 Substitute your own timezone for Central. It will show you when DST will start and end for your timezone. If you see dates of Mar 11 and Nov 4, you're covered. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Does anyone know if most linux distros have already incorporated updates for > the new daylight savings time changes? > > I have seen things regarding updates for MS and Apple products, but nothing on > Linux. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 23 18:53:51 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:53:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DST Changes? In-Reply-To: <45DF376B.1090408@johnmorganwiles.com> References: <20070223182019.M63924@winonacotter.org> <45DF376B.1090408@johnmorganwiles.com> Message-ID: <20070223185322.M60775@winonacotter.org> > To check to see if your system hasn't been updated do something > Similar to the following: > > /usr/sbin/zdump -v US/Eastern | fgrep 2007 > > If you see Apr 1, and Oct 28 in the output your system doesn't have > the update. > > If your distro is RHEL based download tzdata-2006m-2.el4.src.rpm > and install the rpm. > > If you have Java on your system and use it, you will also need to > update it as well. Download tzupdater.jar from java.sun.com. > > To test your java installation use: java -jar tzupdater.jar -t > If the JRE has timezone data that doesn't match the one in the tool, > the verification tests report errors and fail. > > To update your java installation use: java -jar tzupdater.jar -u Thanks for the info. My desktop (Kubuntu) is up to date. I'll start checking my servers. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 23 18:54:19 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:54:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Converting to Linux Message-ID: I'd like to ask for suggestions on this undertaking; we are going to attempt to use Linux at our school as opposed to Windows. My first question is this, without setting up a Linux server is it possible to create a lab of Linux clients and run them on our current network, or does this have to be all or none? I'm unsure if we want to go with thin clients, some of the programs may be too much to run over the network. Second question, what version of Linux would you suggest? None of us have a great deal of experience with Linux, we are just unable to keep are hardware up with the requirements for windows and do not want to have to move into Vista. Thanks for the assistance. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssh at tranquility.net Fri Feb 23 19:01:35 2007 From: ssh at tranquility.net (ssh at tranquility.net) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:01:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] DST Changes? In-Reply-To: <20070223182019.M63924@winonacotter.org> References: <20070223182019.M63924@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Does anyone know if most linux distros have already incorporated updates for > the new daylight savings time changes? > > I have seen things regarding updates for MS and Apple products, but nothing on > Linux. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 Hi Jim, I asked the same question recently. Make sure your tzdata is latest version via yum and you should be good. From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 19:28:24 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:28:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Converting to Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In order to set up a linux-based thin client environment, you are going to need a linux-based server. The simplest solution is to just use the K12LTSP distro that Eric maintains. However, you also need to address issue of how you are going to continue using your existing programs, or migrating to other packages. And you will probably want to set up the network as outlined at k12ltsp.org which may entail purchasing some more network equipment. It can seem a little daunting, but it is not that difficult to set up. A very simple first step would be to create a small demo lab (linux server, a few thin clients, and the switch to connect them to the server). This would walk you through all of the basic steps required for implementing a solution school-wide. With such a small number of clients in a demo system, you might be able to use one of your existing desktop system (less than 3 years old) as the test server and the switch could be as simple of a simple 8 port 100mb switch. This would not have the full performance of using 'proper' hardware, but would let you get an idea of what you will need to do and could be set up in an afternoon. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins On 2/23/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > > I'd like to ask for suggestions on this undertaking; we are going to > attempt to use Linux at our school as opposed to Windows. My first question > is this, without setting up a Linux server is it possible to create a lab of > Linux clients and run them on our current network, or does this have to be > all or none? I'm unsure if we want to go with thin clients, some of the > programs may be too much to run over the network. Second question, what > version of Linux would you suggest? None of us have a great deal of > experience with Linux, we are just unable to keep are hardware up with the > requirements for windows and do not want to have to move into Vista. Thanks > for the assistance. > > > > Levi Kemp > > Technology Specialist > > Bolivar R-I School District > > 417-328-8943 > > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 23 20:25:58 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:25:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DST Changes? In-Reply-To: <45DF37EE.5090907@maltzen.net> References: <20070223182019.M63924@winonacotter.org> <45DF37EE.5090907@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20070223202356.M96052@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:52:30 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote > Most distros put out patches for the new DST almost two years ago > when the law changing DST was enacted. So, if you've been keeping > your system updated, you should already be covered. > > To see if you're patched, run this: > > /usr/sbin/zdump -v US/Central |grep 2007 > > Substitute your own timezone for Central. It will show you when DST > will start and end for your timezone. If you see dates of Mar 11 > and Nov 4, you're covered. Thanks guys. I checked out all of my systems over ssh and they are all updated. Just goes to show how Open Source actually has its act together. MS is just patching their stuff now, and they are supposed to be more organized :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 23 20:42:38 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:42:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Converting to Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070223202709.M26216@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:54:19 -0600, Kemp, Levi wrote > I'd like to ask for suggestions on this undertaking; we are going to > attempt to use Linux at our school as opposed to Windows. My first > question is this, without setting up a Linux server is it possible to > create a lab of Linux clients and run them on our current network, or > does this have to be all or none? I'm unsure if we want to go with thin > clients, some of the programs may be too much to run over the > network. Second question, what version of Linux would you suggest? > None of us have a great deal of experience with Linux, we are just > unable to keep are hardware up with the requirements for windows and > do not want to have to move into Vista. Thanks for the assistance. Linux means options, many options. If you just want to run stand alone machine the way you would your windows or macs, just install locally right on those machines. You should be able to access your network just as you would with a Windows machine without interfering with anything. Most of what is discussed on this list is the use of LTSP for thin clients which require a server. But you can use a live Cd or do a local install on any machine. My personal preference is Kubuntu. This is the KDE based version of Ubuntu (Ubuntu is Gnome based). I just plain like KDE. Many others like Gnome. There is no right or wrong way. I simply find KDE to be cleaner and more intuitive than Gnome, but that is my preference. If you are running older machines in this lab, you could look at Xubuntu which runs XFCE for the desktop environment. This desktop requires less overhead. if you decide later that you want a thin client setup you can always incorporate Edubuntu. And as far as servers go Ubuntu rocks as well. Why Ubuntu? It seems to be advancing in leaps and bounds and seems to have an excellent governing structure and plan for the future. Nothing bad about Fedora/RedHat or any other distro for that matter, I just really like Ubuntu personally. And if you enable the universe and multiverse repositories (should be enable by default I hear in Fiesty), you have just about any application you'd ever need with a simple search in Adept (the package manager). Adept is a simple search, click install, apply changes system. Also upgrading with an apt based system is awesome. Either use your package manager for a simply upgrade, or in /etc/apt/sources.list change all references to your previous version to the new version then (say from Edgy to Fiesty)"apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade". Then just wait for your new OS. And for me personally, the 6 month release cycle is a perfect mesh between latest and greatest along with stable. Hope that helps. I'm sure you'll get many responses with what window manager and what distro to use. Again, choice, its awesome. Just choose what sounds like it best fits your needs. And with the cost ($0), you can afford to change your mind if the first choice doesn't seem to fit the bill. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Feb 23 23:12:53 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:12:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: A good network inventory program here Message-ID: <1172272373.13132.14.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Just thought this may be of use to someone out there that operates in a mixed OS network. We have been using OCS Inventory NG for a couple months now. It has worked out very well for inventory data for fat clients on the network. The program runs on mysql, with a web interface,and gives out very human readable info such as software installed,who was logged into the box at last inventory,all hardware specs,bios version,etc, very detailed & very accurate to boot from what I've seen. Its very easy to install on the server as well as to push out to fat clients. It now has capability of pushing out silent install apps to fat clients & doing rpm installs on linux boxes as well. I know,,if everyone was willing to do ALL K12LTSP thin clients something like this would not even be needed :) Think of fat clients as job security. This is available for winders,and Linux OS's. I dont believe there is a MAC client for this? Hope this helps. Barry Cisna westcentral school From daengbo at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 01:29:51 2007 From: daengbo at gmail.com (Daniel Bodanske) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:29:51 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Converting to Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Levi, I think that the first thing you should do is look at the types of clients you want to convert. Get detailed information about what hardware you have now and need to support for the switch. Make a list. Chip sets, processors, memory, printers, scanners, etc. Next look at your software requirements. Does your school system require the use of any software? Is it local or web-based? If the students need to visit web pages, are they built only for IE? How many students will your lab support this year? What's your one, three and five-year plan? How resistant are your teachers to switching from Windows? Does it terrify them? How supportive is the administration for this switch? Ask these questions before you ever decide what focus to take for the switch. You may save a lot of time that you would otherwise spend trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Once you have these questions answered, get back to us with the details, and there will be a million recommendations for you. I once put together a thin client network of thirteen machines for under US$1000, including the server. Everything was very used, but someone recently commented to me that the system used to work very well and that it was bulletproof. Best of luck in your conversion, but remember the old carpenter's rule: "Measure twice; cut once." Save yourself a lot of headaches by looking at your requirements before you start with any software. Dan On 2/24/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > > > > > I'd like to ask for suggestions on this undertaking; we are going to attempt > to use Linux at our school as opposed to Windows. My first question is this, > without setting up a Linux server is it possible to create a lab of Linux > clients and run them on our current network, or does this have to be all or > none? I'm unsure if we want to go with thin clients, some of the programs > may be too much to run over the network. Second question, what version of > Linux would you suggest? None of us have a great deal of experience with > Linux, we are just unable to keep are hardware up with the requirements for > windows and do not want to have to move into Vista. Thanks for the > assistance. > > > > Levi Kemp > > Technology Specialist > > Bolivar R-I School District > > 417-328-8943 > > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 01:55:51 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:25:51 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Converting to Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20702231755j464a819fn5327310dc4b83b26@mail.gmail.com> On 24/02/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > none? I'm unsure if we want to go with thin clients, some of the programs > may be too much to run over the network. Second question, what version of Others have commented on your query but I would like to just highlight the two lines above. The beauty of thin client network is that, in main, that programs do not run over network and virtually no file transfers take place on network. All is run within the server and so things become faster without chocking the network. All that is carried by network is IO (display and keyboard/mouse) traffic and this is relatively low even with 20~30 clients working concurrently. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 02:01:39 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:31:39 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Which client should we buy? In-Reply-To: <67ab09941144ab3639fff5f88e92c9c6@redlands.k12.ca.us> References: <67ab09941144ab3639fff5f88e92c9c6@redlands.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <774593a20702231801kd035435ra85db65e9e646f48@mail.gmail.com> On 23/02/07, Kevin Haugh wrote: > I have the opportunity to create a 40 workstation k12ltsp lab at my > school site. We have funding available to purchase NEW thin clients > for this implementation. I'm looking at the following... > > LTSP Term 1220 PXE workstation from disklessworkstations.com With funding available this be the choice as they are the untiring people behind LTSP. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From computoman at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 05:53:02 2007 From: computoman at yahoo.com (Eddie) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:53:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Sun Ray 1 install Message-ID: <20070224055302.21646.qmail@web54610.mail.yahoo.com> I know there was a discussion earlier about this but I must have deleted the email. I was having problems using debian based distros to do ltsp. So I went back to the orginal k12ltsp and have not had any problems. Even my mac clients work. with a net boot. I bought a sun ray terminal real cheap to play with. I tried to load the sunray server 3 software but it says I do not have a compatible cpu. I am running a 800 mhz AMD Duron. Has anyone elso run into this? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From veewee77 at alltel.net Sat Feb 24 05:35:19 2007 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:35:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Converting to Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45DFCE97.90603@alltel.net> Sure is. KNOPPIX is a CD-ROM bootable, fully operational workstation linux that boots and runs from the CD-ROM. Kinda slow on older or low mem computers but there is a LOT of stuff in there for you to experiment with without having to invest in installation until you are sure you want to. Generally, the older the computer, the older version of KNOPPIX you need. 3.2 works great on PII's with 64MB RAM. 3.9 requires 128MB RAM and fast processors. They include OpenOffice, (word, excel, powerpoint-like programs) and a good collection of things to use and experiment with without formatting your hard drives. There is even ways to boot and kee data on the hard drive that don't go away when you turn off (everything, by default, goes away when you reboot.) This will let you run it with no server or anything and you can learn a lot from it. It can also be installed into a directory on the *existing* windows filesystem, meaning you can boot either if you want to. (not on NTFS partitions, though. . . well, maybe by now they have NTFS writeable). Have fun! Doug Kemp, Levi wrote: > I'd like to ask for suggestions on this undertaking; we are going to > attempt to use Linux at our school as opposed to Windows. My first > question is this, without setting up a Linux server is it possible to > create a lab of Linux clients and run them on our current network, or > does this have to be all or none? I'm unsure if we want to go with > thin clients, some of the programs may be too much to run over the > network. Second question, what version of Linux would you suggest? > None of us have a great deal of experience with Linux, we are just > unable to keep are hardware up with the requirements for windows and > do not want to have to move into Vista. Thanks for the assistance. > > > > Levi Kemp > > Technology Specialist > > Bolivar R-I School District > > 417-328-8943 > > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Sat Feb 24 11:39:29 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:39:29 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: A good network inventory program here In-Reply-To: <1172272373.13132.14.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> References: <1172272373.13132.14.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <6511C0B8-8E89-4A78-BF6C-7D6A1A7E2304@breun.nl> Barry Cisna wrote: > Just thought this may be of use to someone out there that > operates in > a mixed OS network. We have been using OCS Inventory NG for a couple > months now. It has worked out very well for inventory data for fat > clients on the network. > > > > This is available for winders,and Linux OS's. I dont believe there > is a > MAC client for this? From the http://ocsinventory.sourceforge.net/ frontpage: Inventoried client computers can run - Microsoft Windows 95/98/Me/NT4/2000/XP/2003/Vista, - Linux, - *BSD, - Mac OS X, - Sun Solaris, - and IBM AIX - and HP-UX. 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Terrific. > > I've just found: > http://devonit.com/terminals/terminals_models_features.php > > And have a quote for 12 DIT6040 clients- mouse and keyboard included > for $139.00 Pretty good price- PXE boot and fanless. > > Anybody using these? > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Feb 24 23:06:30 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:06:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: A good network inventory program here Message-ID: <45306.192.168.254.3.1172358390.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Nils, Thanks for the heads up on OCS Inventory NG having a client for MAC OSX. I didnt know that had that available now. We have converted all of our inhertied Emacs to FC5 PPC. We have all of our old inhertied Imacs netbooting to an K12LTSP server as well. Have you thought about going this route( if you have Macs)? It makes for much more consistant all around runability. The only major problem i run into on the Emacs is the wonky video display being off center with a default install of FC5 _PPC. With the old video adjuster add on,you can come very close to getting the video display centered,,with some tweaking. Wish it would work out of the box,,as this is kind of time consuming,or I wish I would have imaged the first one,,then G4L the rest with the saved image. Oh well. Nice thing about OCS Inventory NG it brings all your network hardware info into one interface. Once you get the hang of deplying packages through OCS you'll throw away your windows remote install server,,:).OCS will "auto find" even your printers as well. I have one OCS Inventory server inventorying three subnets at our school. We use Ntop along with this and between the two softwares you get a good overall picture of what hardware you have residing on your LAN, Good Luck Barry Cisna From rowens at ptd.net Sat Feb 24 23:17:58 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:17:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Converting to Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070224231758.GA10069@clubber.owens.net> What kind of computers are you currently using? Are they relatively new, or severely out-of-date? Pentium 3, Pentium 4? How much RAM? There are a lot of options for converting to Linux. The best one for you will depend on what hardware you currently have available. -Rob On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 12:54:19PM -0600, Kemp, Levi wrote: > I'd like to ask for suggestions on this undertaking; we are going to > attempt to use Linux at our school as opposed to Windows. My first > question is this, without setting up a Linux server is it possible to > create a lab of Linux clients and run them on our current network, or > does this have to be all or none? I'm unsure if we want to go with thin > clients, some of the programs may be too much to run over the network. > Second question, what version of Linux would you suggest? None of us > have a great deal of experience with Linux, we are just unable to keep > are hardware up with the requirements for windows and do not want to > have to move into Vista. Thanks for the assistance. > > > > Levi Kemp > > Technology Specialist > > Bolivar R-I School District > > 417-328-8943 > > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nils at breun.nl Sun Feb 25 00:12:41 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:12:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: A good network inventory program here In-Reply-To: <45306.192.168.254.3.1172358390.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <45306.192.168.254.3.1172358390.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <3370B6CE-0E73-4186-B9C7-CA122E483029@breun.nl> Barry Cisna wrote: > Thanks for the heads up on OCS Inventory NG having a client for > MAC OSX. > I didnt know that had that available now. We have converted all of our > inhertied Emacs to FC5 PPC. We have all of our old inhertied Imacs > netbooting to an K12LTSP server as well. Have you thought about going > this route( if you have Macs)? I have no LTSP servers and only one Mac: the iBook I'm typing this message on. :o) Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Sun Feb 25 17:02:11 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:02:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which client should we buy? In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0702240950s3dbbfb00qa795e4ddc6d8fef7@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0702240950s3dbbfb00qa795e4ddc6d8fef7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200702251302.11757.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Saturday 24 February 2007 13:50, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > I've just found: > http://devonit.com/terminals/terminals_models_features.php > > And have a quote for 12 DIT6040 clients- mouse and keyboard included for > $139.00 Pretty good price- PXE boot and fanless. > > Anybody using these? > No, but the data sheet on this model makes no mention of PXE boot capability and in fact has software in a "disk on module" and has only 64MB RAM. If it in fact *does* support PXE boot, I do wish Devon IT would include that information in it's online documentation. The RAM limitation could be overcome by using NBD swap. Do you have any assurance that the audio hardware and USB HW work under LTSP? It is likely, but I would want proof before comitting to a large purchase; they may allow you to try one out before buying. I have a Devon IT 6020P (PXE boot only 128MB RAM with audio and USB v1.1 working with LTSP v4.2), but it does have a small fan. On the other hand it does have twice the RAM and a CPU running at twice the clock rate (800Mhz vs. 400Mhz in DIT6040). I *did* have to tweak the LTSP USB initialization scripts (eliminated USB v2.0 driver, which was conflicting) in order to get USB flashram to work, but it does work. List price quantity 1 is $149 but they frequently have discounts (recently a buy 3 get 4 deal). If they made this terminal (at this price) without a fan and with USB v2.0 support, it would be optimal. I like the specs on the DisklessWorkstations "LTSP 1220 PXE" terminal (fanless with USB v2.0, 800Mhz CPU 128MB RAM, guaranteed to work with LTSP v4.2 and later), but the price is $285 (quantity one), which means nearly a 2:1 price differential with the 6020P. I have some time before I order any new terminals, and I hope that the optimal terminal (one at the right price) makes it's appearance before I have to decide on the compromises. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From csyperski at DUPAGE88.NET Sun Feb 25 18:52:18 2007 From: csyperski at DUPAGE88.NET (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:52:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Lunchroom POS Message-ID: If anyone is looking for a POS for their school's lunchroom, I have released a cafe management system under GPL. If anyone is interested here are a few features and links below. * It will connect directly (no exporting data) to nearly any sis system including Powerschool, FocusSIS, Pentamation, or any other system that support JDBC/ODBC connections to the SIS DB. * No need for a SIF server. * Tracks transactions by student. * Ability to use student credit. * Ability to use Touch Screen monitors. * Support for barcode scanners. * Support for APG cash drawers. * PHP Web-based Menu management & Parent Access Portal. * Parent Portal translates on the fly to 4 different languages. * Keeps free and reduced students anonymous. * Allows Students to have one free or reduces breakfast and lunch per day. * Transactional Database entries. * Hotbar, a menu bar that tracks frequently used items per register, for fast access. * Last student order * Written in PHP and Java *End of day reporting to count down the cash drawer per register. * It's Free! Homepage with demos and install instructions: http://pscafe.sf.net/ Sourceforge page: http://sf.net/projects/pscafe/ Download at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=167001 Thanks, Chuck Syperski From nelsda at yahoo.com Sun Feb 25 20:26:44 2007 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:26:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd quit working Message-ID: <650624.26214.qm@web32610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> After a powerfailure to my K12LTSP 6.0.0 server DHCP quit working. Trying to manually start it with servide dhcpd start produces an almost instant [FAILED] response. The log (/var/log/messages) file says ** You must add a global ddns-update-style statement to /etc/dhcpd.conf. To get the same behaviour as in 3.0b2pl11 and previous versions, add a line that says "ddns-update-style ad-hoc;" Please read the dhcpd.conf manual page for more information. ** The /etc/dhcpd.conf only has the following: [root at ruby etc]# cat dhcpd.conf # # DHCP Server Configuration file. # see /usr/share/doc/dhcp*/dhcpd.conf.sample # All I can figure is that something got messed up during a yum update or some file got messed up when the power quit. A search of the maillist didn't turn up anything that looked like it applied to my situation. FWIW, /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases is an empty file. I don't know why since dhcp was working prior to the power going out. Thank you for any help/ideas. David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Feb 25 21:37:24 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:37:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd quit working Message-ID: <37697.192.168.254.3.1172439444.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> David, Have a look at your /etc/dhcpd.conf file. Unless if k12ltspFC6( from FC5k12ltsp), has reverted back, you are actually using the dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf( not dhcpd.conf) file as your system dhcpd config file. As on FC5 your /etc/dhcpd.conf file should be ALL commeneted out. Have a look to see if it is in fact all commented out.This is IF you done a default install of K12LTSP. In your /etc directory you may have a dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf.rpmsave file. rename this to dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf and see if your dhcpd starts correctly by service dhcpd start. If you look in your /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd.txt you'll see it has a line there for your server to use the /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf file. Its worth a try. Good Luck, Barry Cisna westcentral school From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Feb 25 22:02:47 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:02:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Lunchroom POS Message-ID: <49755.192.168.254.3.1172440967.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Chuck, I tried giving the PSCafePOS a spin for a demo. I chmoded everything to 755 and when i execute the PSCAFEPOS.bat file I get the following error: [root at server1 PSCafePOS]# PSCAFEPOS.bat -bash: PSCAFEPOS.bat: command not found [root at server1 PSCafePOS]# ./PSCAFEPOS.bat off : command not foundne 2: cls : No such file or directory: .src Starting PSCafePOS Written by Chuck Syperski Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: PSSystemDriver Done : No such file or directory: .. I m using K12LTSP 5.0 default install with java-sun 1.5.0 Our school could use something like this. Any ideas what I messed up?:).. Thanks, Barry Cisna westcentral school From rmcdaniel at indata.us Sun Feb 25 22:04:42 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:04:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Lunchroom POS Message-ID: <20070225150441.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8d0072fc1a.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Chuck, The program looks great. I will pass this on to our CNP Director. Thanks for your hard work and belief in opensource! Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 (251) 363-3201 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Lunchroom POS > From: "CHUCK SYPERSKI" > Date: Sun, February 25, 2007 12:52 pm > To: > > If anyone is looking for a POS for their school's lunchroom, I have released a cafe management system under GPL. If anyone is interested here are a few features and links below. > > * It will connect directly (no exporting data) to nearly any sis system including Powerschool, FocusSIS, Pentamation, or any other system that support JDBC/ODBC connections to the SIS DB. > * No need for a SIF server. > * Tracks transactions by student. > * Ability to use student credit. > * Ability to use Touch Screen monitors. > * Support for barcode scanners. > * Support for APG cash drawers. > * PHP Web-based Menu management & Parent Access Portal. > * Parent Portal translates on the fly to 4 different languages. > * Keeps free and reduced students anonymous. > * Allows Students to have one free or reduces breakfast and lunch per day. > * Transactional Database entries. > * Hotbar, a menu bar that tracks frequently used items per register, for fast access. > * Last student order > * Written in PHP and Java > *End of day reporting to count down the cash drawer per register. > * It's Free! > > Homepage with demos and install instructions: > http://pscafe.sf.net/ > > Sourceforge page: > http://sf.net/projects/pscafe/ > > Download at > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=167001 > > Thanks, > Chuck Syperski > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nils at breun.nl Sun Feb 25 22:12:47 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:12:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Lunchroom POS In-Reply-To: <49755.192.168.254.3.1172440967.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <49755.192.168.254.3.1172440967.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <5FBF1A17-90B0-448A-80FC-6F1C946A2F27@breun.nl> Barry Cisna wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > I tried giving the PSCafePOS a spin for a demo. I chmoded > everything to > 755 and when i execute the PSCAFEPOS.bat file I get the following > error: > > [root at server1 PSCafePOS]# PSCAFEPOS.bat > -bash: PSCAFEPOS.bat: command not found > [root at server1 PSCafePOS]# ./PSCAFEPOS.bat > off > : command not foundne 2: cls > : No such file or directory: .src > Starting PSCafePOS > Written by Chuck Syperski > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: > PSSystemDriver > Done > : No such file or directory: .. > > I m using K12LTSP 5.0 default install with java-sun 1.5.0 > > Our school could use something like this. > > Any ideas what I messed up?:).. I don't know pscafe, but *.bat sounds like a DOS/Windows batch file... A quick look at the installation manual shows: "PSCafePOS can run on nearly any operating system. Currently the cash drawer will only work with Microsoft Windows." Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is a standard K12LTSP install with eth0 for the internal net and eth1 for the internet. Thank you, David --- Barry Cisna wrote: > David, > > Have a look at your /etc/dhcpd.conf file. Unless > if k12ltspFC6( from > FC5k12ltsp), has reverted back, you are actually > using the > dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf( not dhcpd.conf) file as your > system dhcpd config > file. As on FC5 your /etc/dhcpd.conf file should be > ALL commeneted out. > Have a look to see if it is in fact all commented > out.This is IF you > done a default install of K12LTSP. In your /etc > directory you may have a > dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf.rpmsave file. rename this to > dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf and > see if your dhcpd starts correctly by service > dhcpd start. > If you look in your /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd.txt you'll > see it has a line > there for your server to use the > /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf file. > Its worth a try. > Good Luck, > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Feb 26 01:18:24 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:18:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd quit working Message-ID: <42983.192.168.254.3.1172452704.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> David, Your /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd.txt file doesnt look right. Edit it to this: # Command line options here DHCPDARGS=" -cf /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf" your other two /etc/sysconfig/dhcp* files looks correct. I'm not sure how this one file got the way it did? Anway,,edit the file to the above value..save it,,,then try and do: service dhcpd start see what you get. I'm wondering if maybe there are other Network values that are not right as well? Did you do a yum update before your power outage by chance,,and you hadnt rebooted the server? Give it a shot and post your results. Take Care, Barry Cisna From linuxsys at davisny.edu Mon Feb 26 13:26:07 2007 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:26:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working Message-ID: <22306740.1172496367765.JavaMail.root@email.davisny.edu> Sorry, this is actually the second time I sent this. I realized before that I sent it from an address that wasn't a member of the list, so it's probably waiting for moderation. So I thought I'd go ahead and send this on through. ------- Hi all, ? We?ve been having a bit of a problem with out K12LTSP setup here. Back in late January local device support just?stopped working. I vaguely remember that this was after a bunch of updates, but I?m not 100% sure. I know, that?s not really helpful. Anyway, when you insert a USB stick the folder icon appears on the user?s desktop but no files are listed when the user double clicks the folder. In going through some of the archives I was thinking this had to do with ltspfs-insecure. I?ve started/restarted it multiple times with no luck. I also read a bit about the fuse group. I was prepared to add all users to that group, but we authenticate against an ADS and I?m not really clear on how to map windows groups to unix groups. I thought I had figured it out after diving into the samba documentation but to no avail. So, my question? ? Should I try to reinstall the ltspfs package, could it be possible that ltspfs-insecure is broken on our system? OR Should I just bit the bullet and try to figure out how to map a windows group to the unix group fuse in order to get things working again (and if so, could someone point me in the right direction)? OR Am I headed in the opposite direction of what I should be looking into, in other words ? does it have nothing to do with permissions and whatnot and some small setting in a conf file somewhere just needs changed? ? 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Here is what default could look like (between tags) --------BEGIN default------- DEFAULT linux TIMEOUT 50 PROMPT 1 DISPLAY display.msg LABEL ghost kernel memdisk append initrd=ghostboot LABEL linux kernel vmlinuz.ltsp append root=/dev/ram0 rw initrd=initramfs.gz -------END default-------- As far as making the "ghostboot" image, I used winimage to combine both disks made in the boot wizard into a 2.88mb disk image and saved it in raw format (.ima). Make sure that you are viewing hidden and system files otherwise some important files won't be copied and you won't be able to boot. Good luck, Joe Joe Korzeniewski Technology Director Mason County Eastern Schools 231-757-1120 >>> jbaillie at stmarys-school.org 2/22/2007 9:24 am >>> Hello, We dual boot K12ltsp / Win2K Pro. We are receiving a shipment of 2nd hand XP boxes tomorrow so I need to create an dual boot k12 / XP image and deploy it. I was looking at the 3com boot services CD that came with Ghost and it works like LTSP. So I was think since I already have a bootTP server maybe I could drop in a DOS image temporarily? Does this seem doable? Thanks, John _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jkorz at mceschools.com Mon Feb 26 14:33:14 2007 From: jkorz at mceschools.com (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:33:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which client should we buy? In-Reply-To: <200702251302.11757.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0702240950s3dbbfb00qa795e4ddc6d8fef7@mail.gmail.com> <200702251302.11757.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E2A95A.81D5.0081.3@mceschools.com> The specs mention native XDMCP, which from my understanding is what is used once the terminal boots via pxe anyway (so this probably gets to prompt faster than a pxe client). Graphics and sound support are most likely taken care of as well. I would suggest that you either buy or borrow one to test it out before buying a bunch however. Please post back your results. Joe Korzeniewski Technology Director Mason County Eastern Schools 231-757-1120 >>> mrjohnlucas at gmail.com 2/25/2007 12:02 pm >>> On Saturday 24 February 2007 13:50, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > I've just found: > http://devonit.com/terminals/terminals_models_features.php > > And have a quote for 12 DIT6040 clients- mouse and keyboard included for > $139.00 Pretty good price- PXE boot and fanless. > > Anybody using these? > No, but the data sheet on this model makes no mention of PXE boot capability and in fact has software in a "disk on module" and has only 64MB RAM. If it in fact *does* support PXE boot, I do wish Devon IT would include that information in it's online documentation. The RAM limitation could be overcome by using NBD swap. Do you have any assurance that the audio hardware and USB HW work under LTSP? It is likely, but I would want proof before comitting to a large purchase; they may allow you to try one out before buying. I have a Devon IT 6020P (PXE boot only 128MB RAM with audio and USB v1.1 working with LTSP v4.2), but it does have a small fan. On the other hand it does have twice the RAM and a CPU running at twice the clock rate (800Mhz vs. 400Mhz in DIT6040). I *did* have to tweak the LTSP USB initialization scripts (eliminated USB v2.0 driver, which was conflicting) in order to get USB flashram to work, but it does work. List price quantity 1 is $149 but they frequently have discounts (recently a buy 3 get 4 deal). If they made this terminal (at this price) without a fan and with USB v2.0 support, it would be optimal. I like the specs on the DisklessWorkstations "LTSP 1220 PXE" terminal (fanless with USB v2.0, 800Mhz CPU 128MB RAM, guaranteed to work with LTSP v4.2 and later), but the price is $285 (quantity one), which means nearly a 2:1 price differential with the 6020P. I have some time before I order any new terminals, and I hope that the optimal terminal (one at the right price) makes it's appearance before I have to decide on the compromises. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Mon Feb 26 15:01:04 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:01:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working In-Reply-To: <22306740.1172496367765.JavaMail.root@email.davisny.edu> References: <22306740.1172496367765.JavaMail.root@email.davisny.edu> Message-ID: <45E2F630.2000403@maltzen.net> I had a similar experience recently: Months ago, Local Device Access (LDA) was working fine for me. A few months elapsed in which LDA was not used by anyone. Then I went to use it to access some CDROMs and got the same behavior you describe: the icons appear, but when clicked on, they're empty. I 'fixed' the problem by putting all the user IDs into the fuse group. This is a small installation, so it's not a problem. Eric made some changes to the LDA code such that putting users into the fuse group isn't necessary (at the expense of a slightly lower security threshold). I keep this box updated, so my guess is that something along the way broke that modification. I didn't have time to delve into what actually broke. Try putting a user into the fuse group and see if it makes a difference. Petre Calvin Park wrote: > Sorry, this is actually the second time I sent this. I realized before > that I sent it from an address that wasn't a member of the list, so it's > probably waiting for moderation. So I thought I'd go ahead and send this > on through. > ------- > Hi all, > > We???ve been having a bit of a problem with out K12LTSP setup here. Back > in late January local device support just???stopped working. I vaguely > remember that this was after a bunch of updates, but I???m not 100% > sure. I know, that???s not really helpful. Anyway, when you insert a USB > stick the folder icon appears on the user???s desktop but no files are > listed when the user double clicks the folder. In going through some of > the archives I was thinking this had to do with ltspfs-insecure. I???ve > started/restarted it multiple times with no luck. I also read a bit > about the fuse group. I was prepared to add all users to that group, but > we authenticate against an ADS and I???m not really clear on how to map > windows groups to unix groups. I thought I had figured it out after > diving into the samba documentation but to no avail. So, my question??? > > Should I try to reinstall the ltspfs package, could it be possible that > ltspfs-insecure is broken on our system? > OR > Should I just bit the bullet and try to figure out how to map a windows > group to the unix group fuse in order to get things working again (and > if so, could someone point me in the right direction)? > OR > Am I headed in the opposite direction of what I should be looking into, > in other words ??? does it have nothing to do with permissions and > whatnot and some small setting in a conf file somewhere just needs changed? > > Thanks in advance! > -Calvin > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Mon Feb 26 15:25:33 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:25:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working In-Reply-To: <45E2F630.2000403@maltzen.net> References: <22306740.1172496367765.JavaMail.root@email.davisny.edu> <45E2F630.2000403@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45E2FBED.2030102@maltzen.net> Noting that my previous message was not much help since you're using LDAP, you might see the LDA troubleshooting checklist: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting Petre Petre Scheie wrote: > I had a similar experience recently: Months ago, Local Device Access > (LDA) was working fine for me. A few months elapsed in which LDA was > not used by anyone. Then I went to use it to access some CDROMs and got > the same behavior you describe: the icons appear, but when clicked on, > they're empty. I 'fixed' the problem by putting all the user IDs into > the fuse group. This is a small installation, so it's not a problem. > Eric made some changes to the LDA code such that putting users into the > fuse group isn't necessary (at the expense of a slightly lower security > threshold). I keep this box updated, so my guess is that something > along the way broke that modification. I didn't have time to delve into > what actually broke. Try putting a user into the fuse group and see if > it makes a difference. > > Petre > > Calvin Park wrote: >> Sorry, this is actually the second time I sent this. I realized before >> that I sent it from an address that wasn't a member of the list, so >> it's probably waiting for moderation. So I thought I'd go ahead and >> send this on through. >> ------- >> Hi all, >> >> We???ve been having a bit of a problem with out K12LTSP setup here. >> Back in late January local device support just???stopped working. I >> vaguely remember that this was after a bunch of updates, but I???m not >> 100% sure. I know, that???s not really helpful. Anyway, when you >> insert a USB stick the folder icon appears on the user???s desktop but >> no files are listed when the user double clicks the folder. In going >> through some of the archives I was thinking this had to do with >> ltspfs-insecure. I???ve started/restarted it multiple times with no >> luck. I also read a bit about the fuse group. I was prepared to add >> all users to that group, but we authenticate against an ADS and I???m >> not really clear on how to map windows groups to unix groups. I >> thought I had figured it out after diving into the samba documentation >> but to no avail. So, my question??? >> >> Should I try to reinstall the ltspfs package, could it be possible >> that ltspfs-insecure is broken on our system? >> OR >> Should I just bit the bullet and try to figure out how to map a >> windows group to the unix group fuse in order to get things working >> again (and if so, could someone point me in the right direction)? >> OR >> Am I headed in the opposite direction of what I should be looking >> into, in other words ??? does it have nothing to do with permissions >> and whatnot and some small setting in a conf file somewhere just needs >> changed? >> >> Thanks in advance! >> -Calvin >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 16:07:28 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:07:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working In-Reply-To: <45E2FBED.2030102@maltzen.net> References: <22306740.1172496367765.JavaMail.root@email.davisny.edu> <45E2F630.2000403@maltzen.net> <45E2FBED.2030102@maltzen.net> Message-ID: When I upgraded the fuse package, I lost USB access because of issues with users no longer being associated with the fuse group. Also, for whatever reason, fuse wasn't being loaded when the system restarted. I used modprobe fuse and then everything worked again. I am using LDAP for authentication. On 2/26/07, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Noting that my previous message was not much help since you're using LDAP, > you might see > the LDA troubleshooting checklist: > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting > > Petre > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > I had a similar experience recently: Months ago, Local Device Access > > (LDA) was working fine for me. A few months elapsed in which LDA was > > not used by anyone. Then I went to use it to access some CDROMs and got > > the same behavior you describe: the icons appear, but when clicked on, > > they're empty. I 'fixed' the problem by putting all the user IDs into > > the fuse group. This is a small installation, so it's not a problem. > > Eric made some changes to the LDA code such that putting users into the > > fuse group isn't necessary (at the expense of a slightly lower security > > threshold). I keep this box updated, so my guess is that something > > along the way broke that modification. I didn't have time to delve into > > what actually broke. Try putting a user into the fuse group and see if > > it makes a difference. > > > > Petre > > > > Calvin Park wrote: > >> Sorry, this is actually the second time I sent this. I realized before > >> that I sent it from an address that wasn't a member of the list, so > >> it's probably waiting for moderation. So I thought I'd go ahead and > >> send this on through. > >> ------- > >> Hi all, > >> > >> We???ve been having a bit of a problem with out K12LTSP setup here. > >> Back in late January local device support just???stopped working. I > >> vaguely remember that this was after a bunch of updates, but I???m not > >> 100% sure. I know, that???s not really helpful. Anyway, when you > >> insert a USB stick the folder icon appears on the user???s desktop but > >> no files are listed when the user double clicks the folder. In going > >> through some of the archives I was thinking this had to do with > >> ltspfs-insecure. I???ve started/restarted it multiple times with no > >> luck. I also read a bit about the fuse group. I was prepared to add > >> all users to that group, but we authenticate against an ADS and I???m > >> not really clear on how to map windows groups to unix groups. I > >> thought I had figured it out after diving into the samba documentation > >> but to no avail. So, my question??? > >> > >> Should I try to reinstall the ltspfs package, could it be possible > >> that ltspfs-insecure is broken on our system? > >> OR > >> Should I just bit the bullet and try to figure out how to map a > >> windows group to the unix group fuse in order to get things working > >> again (and if so, could someone point me in the right direction)? > >> OR > >> Am I headed in the opposite direction of what I should be looking > >> into, in other words ??" does it have nothing to do with permissions > >> and whatnot and some small setting in a conf file somewhere just needs > >> changed? > >> > >> Thanks in advance! > >> -Calvin > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That way I can see what is going to be most compatible. I've started with the Fedora that was on the K12LTSP site. I did a workstation install, and maybe I missed this in the install because I couldn't be near the computer the whole time, but is there a default user or admin? I tried logging on as root but was unable. If there is a contact on that site I need to be looking at then I apologize for bothering the group. Thanks again. Levi ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Daniel Bodanske Sent: Fri 2/23/2007 7:29 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Converting to Linux Levi, I think that the first thing you should do is look at the types of clients you want to convert. Get detailed information about what hardware you have now and need to support for the switch. Make a list. Chip sets, processors, memory, printers, scanners, etc. Next look at your software requirements. Does your school system require the use of any software? Is it local or web-based? If the students need to visit web pages, are they built only for IE? How many students will your lab support this year? What's your one, three and five-year plan? How resistant are your teachers to switching from Windows? Does it terrify them? How supportive is the administration for this switch? Ask these questions before you ever decide what focus to take for the switch. You may save a lot of time that you would otherwise spend trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Once you have these questions answered, get back to us with the details, and there will be a million recommendations for you. I once put together a thin client network of thirteen machines for under US$1000, including the server. Everything was very used, but someone recently commented to me that the system used to work very well and that it was bulletproof. Best of luck in your conversion, but remember the old carpenter's rule: "Measure twice; cut once." Save yourself a lot of headaches by looking at your requirements before you start with any software. Dan On 2/24/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > > > > > I'd like to ask for suggestions on this undertaking; we are going to attempt > to use Linux at our school as opposed to Windows. My first question is this, > without setting up a Linux server is it possible to create a lab of Linux > clients and run them on our current network, or does this have to be all or > none? I'm unsure if we want to go with thin clients, some of the programs > may be too much to run over the network. Second question, what version of > Linux would you suggest? None of us have a great deal of experience with > Linux, we are just unable to keep are hardware up with the requirements for > windows and do not want to have to move into Vista. Thanks for the > assistance. > > > > Levi Kemp > > Technology Specialist > > Bolivar R-I School District > > 417-328-8943 > > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 6109 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cwerks at yahoo.com Mon Feb 26 18:05:17 2007 From: cwerks at yahoo.com (James Huffman) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:05:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] cups question Message-ID: <362115.71407.qm@web35210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all! I have a (hopefully) easy cups question. We have a few users who default to the wrong paper size even after I change their properties...we have to manually delete their print jobs when they forget to change it on their own. The next time they log in though they have to change again... Any ideas? Thanks Jim Huffman Hope Lutheran High School From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Feb 27 01:38:05 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:38:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Lunchroom POS Message-ID: <38580.192.168.254.3.1172540285.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Chuck, Thanks for the correction on the PSCAFEPOS.sh. I must have been sitting in front of the monitor toooo long the day i tried to run the PSCAFEPOS.bat file on a linux box,,:) Have you tried running this with the "miller-group" CENTRE- SIS? The demo looks very simple/easy for everyone to use. Thanks for the work on this! Take Care, Barry Cisna westcentral school From nelsda at yahoo.com Tue Feb 27 04:26:01 2007 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:26:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd quit working--FIXED! In-Reply-To: <42983.192.168.254.3.1172452704.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <955031.67183.qm@web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Barry, That was it! Somehow /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd got messed up. Yes, I had done a yum update without a reboot before the power failure. I wonder what messed it up? Thank you for your help. David --- Barry Cisna wrote: > David, > > Your /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd.txt file doesnt look > right. Edit it to this: > > # Command line options here > DHCPDARGS=" -cf /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf" > > your other two /etc/sysconfig/dhcp* files looks > correct. I'm not sure how > this one file got the way it did? Anway,,edit the > file to the above > value..save it,,,then try and do: service dhcpd > start see what you get. > I'm wondering if maybe there are other Network > values that are not right > as well? Did you do a yum update before your power > outage by chance,,and > you hadnt rebooted the server? Give it a shot and > post your results. > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us Tue Feb 27 05:54:09 2007 From: kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us (Kevin Haugh) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:54:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SCSI or SATA drives in my LTSP server? Message-ID: I'm configuring a k12ltsp server to handle 35 clients. My instincts tell me to stick with SCSI drives. However, faster SATA drives seem to be catching up. Any recommendations? Thanks! ******************** Kevin Haugh, Teacher/Asst. Football Coach Redlands High School Redlands, CA kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET Tue Feb 27 12:45:21 2007 From: CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:45:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Lunchroom POS Message-ID: >From what I am reading it looks like they are using PostgreSQL as their db. If this is the case then all you need to do is download the JDBC 3 driver from thier site http://jdbc.postgresql.org/download.html for the version of postgresql that you are running and put it in the src/lib directory. Then run "PSCAFEPOS.sh --config" to setup your datafield mappings. If you have any other questions please let me know. Thanks, Chuck Syperski Software Developer DuPage High School District 88 >>> brcisna at eazylivin.net 02/26/07 07:38PM >>> Chuck, Thanks for the correction on the PSCAFEPOS.sh. I must have been sitting in front of the monitor toooo long the day i tried to run the PSCAFEPOS.bat file on a linux box,,:) Have you tried running this with the "miller-group" CENTRE- SIS? The demo looks very simple/easy for everyone to use. Thanks for the work on this! Take Care, Barry Cisna westcentral school _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tsmith at geneseeschools.org Tue Feb 27 13:14:39 2007 From: tsmith at geneseeschools.org (Travis Smith) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:14:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SCSI or SATA drives in my LTSP server? Message-ID: ** Confidential ** ** High Priority ** If you can get SCSI for any production server. I recently bought a hp proliant dl320 and changed the sata drive to two 15k SAS 72GbB ($350 a piece) with raid 1 and it seems to perform well. It wasn't for a LTSP server though. Travis Smith Information Systems Manager Genesee Schools 810.591.3111 >>> kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us 02-27-07 12:54 AM >>> I'm configuring a k12ltsp server to handle 35 clients. My instincts tell me to stick with SCSI drives. However, faster SATA drives seem to be catching up. Any recommendations? Thanks! ******************** Kevin Haugh, Teacher/Asst. Football Coach Redlands High School Redlands, CA kevin_haugh at redlands.k12.ca.us Scanned by GenNET AV in Scanned by GenNET AV out From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Feb 27 13:22:11 2007 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:22:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SCSI or SATA drives in my LTSP server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1172582531.18688.26.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> If the budget permits, SCSI has a longer anticipated lifetime from the manufacturers than does SATA. But yet, SATA drives are so much less expensive that several can be replaced within the lifetime of a single SCSI on a $/byte argument. What it ultimately boils down to is how they are in use. If it is very easy to replace a drive that has been in use with a new one after a failure, then SATA would be a good idea. If, however, the system recovery time is a factor, then stick with SCSI. Also note: SCSI is still MUCH faster than even SATA II (or is it III now?). The speed rates published most often for SATA are burst rates. The rates published for SCSI are sustained throughput. On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 21:54 -0800, Kevin Haugh wrote: > I'm configuring a k12ltsp server to handle 35 clients. My instincts > tell me to stick with SCSI drives. However, faster SATA drives seem > to be catching up. 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If so, what are the good and bad points? I welcome any feedback. Thanks in advance. Mark Cockrell Technology Coordinator Honey Grove I.S.D. From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Feb 27 15:39:19 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:39:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Building a new school- need input In-Reply-To: <45E445B1.7070500@honeygroveisd.net> References: <45E445B1.7070500@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: I love the idea of a 1:1 ratio though I doubt I could ever convince our board to go for it. I know that Northwest Missouri State in Maryville attempted that by using notebooks and tablets, but still fell short of a 1:1 goal. You might ask them although a college setting may not be similar enough to your situation. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Cockrell Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:53 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Building a new school- need input Hello all, My district is in the process of planning a new high school, and I'm pitching the idea of putting 25 computers (thin clients) in each classroom. We're looking at using a desk in which the monitor and keyboard hide away when not in use so that the student has the full workspace when not using the computer, but has nearly instant access to a terminal when necessary. Naturally the question that I'm being asked repeatedly is, "Who else is doing this?" So, I put that question to the group. Do any of you have such a room, or do any of your schools have a 1:1 desktop initiative like I'm proposing? If so, what are the good and bad points? I welcome any feedback. Thanks in advance. Mark Cockrell Technology Coordinator Honey Grove I.S.D. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jkorz at mceschools.com Tue Feb 27 15:42:18 2007 From: jkorz at mceschools.com (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:42:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Lunchroom POS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E40BA7.81D5.0081.3@mceschools.com> If you like center-sis, check out focus-sis.org. The original developer of centre forked the project due to some ethics issues related to the miller group. Focus 2.2RC8 (which should become the 2.2 release) is available here http://www.focus-sis.org/focus_downloads/. Our school is using it and I have had nothing but good feedback regarding it. Joe Korzeniewski Technology Director Mason County Eastern Schools 231-757-1120 >>> CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET 2/27/2007 7:45 am >>> >From what I am reading it looks like they are using PostgreSQL as their db. If this is the case then all you need to do is download the JDBC 3 driver from thier site http://jdbc.postgresql.org/download.html for the version of postgresql that you are running and put it in the src/lib directory. Then run "PSCAFEPOS.sh --config" to setup your datafield mappings. If you have any other questions please let me know. Thanks, Chuck Syperski Software Developer DuPage High School District 88 >>> brcisna at eazylivin.net 02/26/07 07:38PM >>> Chuck, Thanks for the correction on the PSCAFEPOS.sh. I must have been sitting in front of the monitor toooo long the day i tried to run the PSCAFEPOS.bat file on a linux box,,:) Have you tried running this with the "miller-group" CENTRE- SIS? The demo looks very simple/easy for everyone to use. Thanks for the work on this! Take Care, Barry Cisna westcentral school _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jkorz at mceschools.com Tue Feb 27 16:14:44 2007 From: jkorz at mceschools.com (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:14:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Building a new school- need input In-Reply-To: <45E445B1.7070500@honeygroveisd.net> References: <45E445B1.7070500@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <45E41346.81D5.0081.3@mceschools.com> Mark, Our school has one laptop per 6-12 student that we received through the michigan freedom to learn grant. From a tech admin standpoint, the biggest problem I have seen is that the students are far better with the technology than the teachers are. Although these are windows laptops (working on fixing that), we do have a k12ltsp server in our elementary and are in the transition phase from imacs (os 8-9) to a completely linux building (although it may take a while to root all these years of proprietary software). Some of the nice things about 1:1 is that we have drop boxes and public folders for all 6-12 students on our novell server. The teachers can then have students work on assignments electronically and drop them off in the drop box at the end of class. Some teachers can even drop the graded assignments off in the students' home drive when they are completed. Next year my plan is to implement moodle to replace the drop boxes and public folders as well as do some online quizzes and tests. Some teachers are currently using M$ class server since we got it through the grant although from my understanding it is quite cumbersome to learn. We have implemented focus-sis (open source) as a gradebook/attendance/sms solution which integrates gracefully into moodle (as far as student accounts being used for both) with no modifications. The biggest challenge we have had so far is the ridiculously slow boot time for these laptops since they have to be locked down so tight in order for me to be able to maintain all 400+ of them by myself. An LTSP solution would solve that problem. The con of 1:1 is that the computers are dust collectors unless the teachers learn about ways to use them. Many of them simply won't use them because they are afraid of technology. I still don't know what to do about them. All in all, teachers haven't been negative toward it as much as slow in adopting it. Give it time and it will be an investment that pays off - especially using thin clients... build it once, upgrade the server every couple of years and keep yourself busy with meaningful work instead of ghosting machines and reattaching keys on laptops. As far as our ltsp elementary, I am hoping to convert all the classrooms and the one lab over to linux terminals within two years. I am waiting on an ebox 2300 (http://www.wdlsystems.com/modperl/view_services.cgi?r=detail&prod_num=1EBOX23&aisle_id=799) to test out as a terminal. These little suckers run 106/ea! I have seen some good things about them on this list and am looking forward to trying one out (they are also sold rebranded as microclient jr from a site called norhtec in taiwan). The benefit of having the eboxes is that they will mount on the back of a standard lcd panel! If they can do basic browser/openoffice we will probably stick with those, otherwise we may look at buying big refurbs from disklessthinclients.com for $99 ea. Anyways, I hope I was of some help. Please feel free to email me personally if you would like to discuss any of this more in depth. Joe Korzeniewski Technology Director Mason County Eastern Schools 231-757-1120 >>> cockrell at honeygroveisd.net 2/27/2007 9:52 am >>> Hello all, My district is in the process of planning a new high school, and I'm pitching the idea of putting 25 computers (thin clients) in each classroom. We're looking at using a desk in which the monitor and keyboard hide away when not in use so that the student has the full workspace when not using the computer, but has nearly instant access to a terminal when necessary. Naturally the question that I'm being asked repeatedly is, "Who else is doing this?" So, I put that question to the group. Do any of you have such a room, or do any of your schools have a 1:1 desktop initiative like I'm proposing? If so, what are the good and bad points? I welcome any feedback. Thanks in advance. Mark Cockrell Technology Coordinator Honey Grove I.S.D. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From bkovach at logrog.net Tue Feb 27 16:23:59 2007 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:23:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Building a new school- need input In-Reply-To: <45E445B1.7070500@honeygroveisd.net> References: <45E445B1.7070500@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <56013.216.229.68.126.1172593439.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Missouri has the eMints program. It's similar to what you are doing, but I think it's 2:3, not sure. In any case, only very recently has K12LTSP been approved for that program and even still, has some benign issues. In any case, there are districts around that are similar to your situation, but usually only a grade or two or three in a building, not necessarily a whole district. I think the whole building should be that way, but Governor Blount didn't ask me, now did he! :) BK -- Brandon Kovach Logan-Rogersville R-8 Schools Technology Director > Hello all, > My district is in the process of planning a new high school, and I'm > pitching the idea of putting 25 computers (thin clients) in each > classroom. We're looking at using a desk in which the monitor and > keyboard hide away when not in use so that the student has the full > workspace when not using the computer, but has nearly instant access to > a terminal when necessary. Naturally the question that I'm being asked > repeatedly is, "Who else is doing this?" So, I put that question to the > group. Do any of you have such a room, or do any of your schools have a > 1:1 desktop initiative like I'm proposing? If so, what are the good and > bad points? I welcome any feedback. Thanks in advance. > > Mark Cockrell > Technology Coordinator > Honey Grove I.S.D. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Feb 27 16:30:10 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:30:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Building a new school- need input In-Reply-To: <56013.216.229.68.126.1172593439.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <45E445B1.7070500@honeygroveisd.net> <56013.216.229.68.126.1172593439.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: The eMints program is great, although as far as my building goes only the 6th grade teachers were able to apply (I only support a middle school). Each classroom received a laptop, a pc, smartboard and a projector. Not quite 1:1 , but still good. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Kovach Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:24 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Building a new school- need input Missouri has the eMints program. It's similar to what you are doing, but I think it's 2:3, not sure. In any case, only very recently has K12LTSP been approved for that program and even still, has some benign issues. In any case, there are districts around that are similar to your situation, but usually only a grade or two or three in a building, not necessarily a whole district. I think the whole building should be that way, but Governor Blount didn't ask me, now did he! :) BK -- Brandon Kovach Logan-Rogersville R-8 Schools Technology Director > Hello all, > My district is in the process of planning a new high school, and I'm > pitching the idea of putting 25 computers (thin clients) in each > classroom. We're looking at using a desk in which the monitor and > keyboard hide away when not in use so that the student has the full > workspace when not using the computer, but has nearly instant access to > a terminal when necessary. Naturally the question that I'm being asked > repeatedly is, "Who else is doing this?" So, I put that question to the > group. Do any of you have such a room, or do any of your schools have a > 1:1 desktop initiative like I'm proposing? If so, what are the good and > bad points? I welcome any feedback. Thanks in advance. > > Mark Cockrell > Technology Coordinator > Honey Grove I.S.D. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Tue Feb 27 18:00:25 2007 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:00:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Advice In-Reply-To: <1172254963.17673.11.camel@localhost> References: <67ab09941144ab3639fff5f88e92c9c6@redlands.k12.ca.us> <1172254963.17673.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <45E471B9.8030509@chelseaeagles.org> Good Afternoon List, Would any of you care to pass on your opinions or experiences with any Virtual Machine software? I'm going to be doing some experiments with various operating systems and I thought I'd try that route. Thanks -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From k12osn at deltacfax.com Tue Feb 27 18:00:53 2007 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:00:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Advice In-Reply-To: <45E471B9.8030509@chelseaeagles.org> References: <67ab09941144ab3639fff5f88e92c9c6@redlands.k12.ca.us> <1172254963.17673.11.camel@localhost> <45E471B9.8030509@chelseaeagles.org> Message-ID: <45E471D5.3020406@deltacfax.com> Mark Goodridge wrote: > Good Afternoon List, > Would any of you care to pass on your opinions or experiences with any > Virtual Machine software? I'm going to be doing some experiments with > various operating systems and I thought I'd try that route. > > Thanks I keep trying to make Xen work, but it's been problematic for me so far. I even went and got one of the new chips with the VT instructions in it so I could (theoretically) run Xen with an unmodified OS. So far I'm still trying ... VMware Server (now free) has been my mainstay for years. Documentation is excellent, reliability is very good, performance is acceptable. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/srg/netos/xen/ http://www.vmware.com/products/server/ best, -tim From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 18:06:36 2007 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:06:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Advice In-Reply-To: <45E471B9.8030509@chelseaeagles.org> References: <67ab09941144ab3639fff5f88e92c9c6@redlands.k12.ca.us> <1172254963.17673.11.camel@localhost> <45E471B9.8030509@chelseaeagles.org> Message-ID: <92de6c880702271006h5a7eb864jf712221a194ed9b4@mail.gmail.com> On 2/27/07, Mark Goodridge wrote: > Good Afternoon List, > Would any of you care to pass on your opinions or experiences with any > Virtual Machine software? I'm going to be doing some experiments with > various operating systems and I thought I'd try that route. > > Thanks > -- > Mark Goodridge > The Computer Guy > Chelsea Elementary School For testing, QEMU works well for me under Ubuntu and is free software. I also have had good experiences with VMWare Server, which is free as in beer commercial software. They are both easy to use, and for testing out OS's I wouldn't mess with anything more complex. --Tom From nils at breun.nl Tue Feb 27 19:00:31 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:00:31 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Advice In-Reply-To: <45E471D5.3020406@deltacfax.com> References: <67ab09941144ab3639fff5f88e92c9c6@redlands.k12.ca.us> <1172254963.17673.11.camel@localhost> <45E471B9.8030509@chelseaeagles.org> <45E471D5.3020406@deltacfax.com> Message-ID: <97EFBA6B-F6AF-4190-BCB0-B0133B4E2B37@breun.nl> Tim Born wrote: > Mark Goodridge wrote: > >> Good Afternoon List, >> Would any of you care to pass on your opinions or experiences with >> any Virtual Machine software? I'm going to be doing some >> experiments with various operating systems and I thought I'd try >> that route. >> >> Thanks > > I keep trying to make Xen work, but it's been problematic for me so > far. I even went and got one of the new chips with the VT > instructions in it so I could (theoretically) run Xen with an > unmodified OS. So far I'm still trying ... I also never got Xen to work. VMware Server and OpenVZ both were very easy. Apparently KVM (available in the Linux 2.6.20 kernel) is seen as the future (you need a VT/SVM capable processor though). Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 27 19:30:42 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:30:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Building a new school- need input In-Reply-To: <45E445B1.7070500@honeygroveisd.net> References: <45E445B1.7070500@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <45E486E2.80804@maltzen.net> Brandon Elementary in Atlanta is doing this. When I visited the school in December they were retrofitting the classrooms to get a 1:1 ratio in the 1st grade and other classes. 1st grade! They got to it gradually, starting with a 3:1 ratio. The teachers then became the drivers for more computers in the classroom because they saw themselves what having all those computers can do for teaching. Contact William Fragakis or Daniel Howard for more details. Petre Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > My district is in the process of planning a new high school, and I'm > pitching the idea of putting 25 computers (thin clients) in each > classroom. We're looking at using a desk in which the monitor and > keyboard hide away when not in use so that the student has the full > workspace when not using the computer, but has nearly instant access to > a terminal when necessary. Naturally the question that I'm being asked > repeatedly is, "Who else is doing this?" So, I put that question to the > group. Do any of you have such a room, or do any of your schools have a > 1:1 desktop initiative like I'm proposing? If so, what are the good and > bad points? I welcome any feedback. Thanks in advance. > > Mark Cockrell > Technology Coordinator > Honey Grove I.S.D. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 27 19:36:41 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:36:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Advice In-Reply-To: <92de6c880702271006h5a7eb864jf712221a194ed9b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <67ab09941144ab3639fff5f88e92c9c6@redlands.k12.ca.us> <1172254963.17673.11.camel@localhost> <45E471B9.8030509@chelseaeagles.org> <92de6c880702271006h5a7eb864jf712221a194ed9b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E48849.6020504@maltzen.net> I, too, am happily using QEMU under Edubuntu for testing other OSs. Petre Tom Hoffman wrote: > On 2/27/07, Mark Goodridge wrote: >> Good Afternoon List, >> Would any of you care to pass on your opinions or experiences with any >> Virtual Machine software? I'm going to be doing some experiments with >> various operating systems and I thought I'd try that route. >> >> Thanks >> -- >> Mark Goodridge >> The Computer Guy >> Chelsea Elementary School > > For testing, QEMU works well for me under Ubuntu and is free software. > I also have had good experiences with VMWare Server, which is free as > in beer commercial software. > > They are both easy to use, and for testing out OS's I wouldn't mess > with anything more complex. > > --Tom > I, too, am happily using QEMU under Edubuntu for testing other OSs. Petre From linuxsys at davisny.edu Tue Feb 27 19:34:38 2007 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:34:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working In-Reply-To: <45E2FBED.2030102@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Petre, Thanks for the link. I've gone through the twelve steps and it looks like step 4 (Does your workstation know its name) is the issue. When I enter hostname I receive "(none)" as the response. I checked the various /etc/dhcpd.* files, and all seems to be as it should. :-/ Anyone have any further ideas? -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: Petre Scheie [mailto:petre at maltzen.net] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:26 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working Noting that my previous message was not much help since you're using LDAP, you might see the LDA troubleshooting checklist: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting Petre Petre Scheie wrote: > I had a similar experience recently: Months ago, Local Device Access > (LDA) was working fine for me. A few months elapsed in which LDA was > not used by anyone. Then I went to use it to access some CDROMs and got > the same behavior you describe: the icons appear, but when clicked on, > they're empty. I 'fixed' the problem by putting all the user IDs into > the fuse group. This is a small installation, so it's not a problem. > Eric made some changes to the LDA code such that putting users into the > fuse group isn't necessary (at the expense of a slightly lower security > threshold). I keep this box updated, so my guess is that something > along the way broke that modification. I didn't have time to delve into > what actually broke. Try putting a user into the fuse group and see if > it makes a difference. > > Petre > > Calvin Park wrote: >> Sorry, this is actually the second time I sent this. I realized before >> that I sent it from an address that wasn't a member of the list, so >> it's probably waiting for moderation. So I thought I'd go ahead and >> send this on through. >> ------- >> Hi all, >> >> We???ve been having a bit of a problem with out K12LTSP setup here. >> Back in late January local device support just???stopped working. I >> vaguely remember that this was after a bunch of updates, but I???m not >> 100% sure. I know, that???s not really helpful. Anyway, when you >> insert a USB stick the folder icon appears on the user???s desktop but >> no files are listed when the user double clicks the folder. In going >> through some of the archives I was thinking this had to do with >> ltspfs-insecure. I???ve started/restarted it multiple times with no >> luck. I also read a bit about the fuse group. I was prepared to add >> all users to that group, but we authenticate against an ADS and I???m >> not really clear on how to map windows groups to unix groups. I >> thought I had figured it out after diving into the samba documentation >> but to no avail. So, my question??? >> >> Should I try to reinstall the ltspfs package, could it be possible >> that ltspfs-insecure is broken on our system? >> OR >> Should I just bit the bullet and try to figure out how to map a >> windows group to the unix group fuse in order to get things working >> again (and if so, could someone point me in the right direction)? >> OR >> Am I headed in the opposite direction of what I should be looking >> into, in other words ??? does it have nothing to do with permissions >> and whatnot and some small setting in a conf file somewhere just needs >> changed? >> >> Thanks in advance! >> -Calvin >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Tue Feb 27 19:31:06 2007 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (lmcpherson) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:31:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Advice In-Reply-To: <97EFBA6B-F6AF-4190-BCB0-B0133B4E2B37@breun.nl> References: <67ab09941144ab3639fff5f88e92c9c6@redlands.k12.ca.us> <1172254963.17673.11.camel@localhost> <45E471B9.8030509@chelseaeagles.org> <45E471D5.3020406@deltacfax.com> <97EFBA6B-F6AF-4190-BCB0-B0133B4E2B37@breun.nl> Message-ID: <1172604666.5387.7.camel@larry-laptop> I use a Dell D600 laptop with Ubuntu 6.10 as the host and VMware workstation - Win98 & WinXP clients. When I'm working wireless, Ubuntu does not pass on the parameters to the VM - (WIN98 & WINXP Clients). The wired connections works great - and I can use a share folder that all OSs can access. I also loaded Ubuntu Server 6.10 as a client -- but it continually crashes. I rarely need Windows, but I have it just in case I run into an issue I can't solve with Ubuntu. Larry On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 20:00 +0100, Nils Breunese wrote: > Tim Born wrote: > > > Mark Goodridge wrote: > > > >> Good Afternoon List, > >> Would any of you care to pass on your opinions or experiences with > >> any Virtual Machine software? I'm going to be doing some > >> experiments with various operating systems and I thought I'd try > >> that route. > >> > >> Thanks > > > > I keep trying to make Xen work, but it's been problematic for me so > > far. I even went and got one of the new chips with the VT > > instructions in it so I could (theoretically) run Xen with an > > unmodified OS. So far I'm still trying ... > > I also never got Xen to work. VMware Server and OpenVZ both were very > easy. Apparently KVM (available in the Linux 2.6.20 kernel) is seen > as the future (you need a VT/SVM capable processor though). > > Nils Breunese. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 27 20:03:06 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:03:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E48E7A.5040606@maltzen.net> What is in your /etc/hosts file? The hostname command should return something like ws001 or similar, which should be found in /etc/hosts. Petre Calvin Park wrote: > Petre, > > Thanks for the link. I've gone through the twelve steps and it looks like step 4 (Does your workstation know its name) is the issue. When I enter hostname I receive "(none)" as the response. I checked the various /etc/dhcpd.* files, and all seems to be as it should. :-/ > > Anyone have any further ideas? > > -Calvin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Petre Scheie [mailto:petre at maltzen.net] > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:26 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working > > Noting that my previous message was not much help since you're using LDAP, you might see > the LDA troubleshooting checklist: > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting > > Petre > > Petre Scheie wrote: >> I had a similar experience recently: Months ago, Local Device Access >> (LDA) was working fine for me. A few months elapsed in which LDA was >> not used by anyone. Then I went to use it to access some CDROMs and got >> the same behavior you describe: the icons appear, but when clicked on, >> they're empty. I 'fixed' the problem by putting all the user IDs into >> the fuse group. This is a small installation, so it's not a problem. >> Eric made some changes to the LDA code such that putting users into the >> fuse group isn't necessary (at the expense of a slightly lower security >> threshold). I keep this box updated, so my guess is that something >> along the way broke that modification. I didn't have time to delve into >> what actually broke. Try putting a user into the fuse group and see if >> it makes a difference. >> >> Petre >> >> Calvin Park wrote: >>> Sorry, this is actually the second time I sent this. I realized before >>> that I sent it from an address that wasn't a member of the list, so >>> it's probably waiting for moderation. So I thought I'd go ahead and >>> send this on through. >>> ------- >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We???ve been having a bit of a problem with out K12LTSP setup here. >>> Back in late January local device support just???stopped working. I >>> vaguely remember that this was after a bunch of updates, but I???m not >>> 100% sure. I know, that???s not really helpful. Anyway, when you >>> insert a USB stick the folder icon appears on the user???s desktop but >>> no files are listed when the user double clicks the folder. In going >>> through some of the archives I was thinking this had to do with >>> ltspfs-insecure. I???ve started/restarted it multiple times with no >>> luck. I also read a bit about the fuse group. I was prepared to add >>> all users to that group, but we authenticate against an ADS and I???m >>> not really clear on how to map windows groups to unix groups. I >>> thought I had figured it out after diving into the samba documentation >>> but to no avail. So, my question??? >>> >>> Should I try to reinstall the ltspfs package, could it be possible >>> that ltspfs-insecure is broken on our system? >>> OR >>> Should I just bit the bullet and try to figure out how to map a >>> windows group to the unix group fuse in order to get things working >>> again (and if so, could someone point me in the right direction)? >>> OR >>> Am I headed in the opposite direction of what I should be looking >>> into, in other words ??? does it have nothing to do with permissions >>> and whatnot and some small setting in a conf file somewhere just needs >>> changed? >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> -Calvin >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From caldodge at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 20:32:00 2007 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:32:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Lunchroom POS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <824a5f7a0702271232o1081bf6do22777b222f041121@mail.gmail.com> On 2/27/07, CHUCK SYPERSKI wrote: > >From what I am reading it looks like they are using PostgreSQL as their db. If this is the case then all you need to do is download the JDBC 3 driver from thier site http://jdbc.postgresql.org/download.html for the version of postgresql that you are running Or - if you're running Fedora - do "yum -y install postgresql-jdbc". Calvin From jdavis at standard.k12.ca.us Tue Feb 27 21:13:27 2007 From: jdavis at standard.k12.ca.us (Jeff Davis) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:13:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos? Message-ID: <45E49EF7.3000407@standard.k12.ca.us> I've been getting a lot of questions lately re: thin clients for classroom deployment - Given that we use linux almost exclusively on the back end, it seems to me that this may be a good opportunity to get linux in front of teachers and students. I have a couple of questions that hopefully have been answered previously. I'm trying to mitigate the inevitable "it's what I have at home" push-back as much as possible, esp from teachers. 1) We anticipate needing a few basics, such as web browsing, email, and productivity apps. I assume in this environment we're talking firefox, tbird, and OOo. 2) We also use some hosted apps that will not run under linux due to plugin issues. The vendor does not appear to be willing to budge on this (big surprise there...) I've been able to get firefox for windows installed on my linux box at home using WINE, and from there get the plugins installed. Are there any pitfalls I should be aware of? 3) We are planning to do a very limited pilot using some older (p4-xeon) dual cpu servers (proliant ml530). Realistically, what is the maximum number of clients I should attempt to connect to them. The cpus are 800mhz, with 2-4gb ram. Hard drive space is in the neighborhood of 80gb. We're looking at cannibalizing several of these older servers to make one higher-capacity unit for the pilot 4) Has anyone got this running under Centos or other longer-service-life distro? If this takes off I would prefer not to have to upgrade every 6 months or so. 5) We have an existing OpenLDAP/autofs infrastructure. Should I anticipate any issues with integrating this system with existing services for authentication and home directory provisioning? Thanks, and my apologies if these issues have been dealt with already. -Jeff -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jdavis.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 328 bytes Desc: not available URL: From johnny at msad41.us Tue Feb 27 22:32:38 2007 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:32:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Lunchroom POS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1172615558.45e4b1860539e@www.msad41.us> Chuck, I have your program running on an FC 5 box but when I try to upload my .cvs file with the student info it gives me an error on all the lines. It's a standard .csv file created out of Excel but it just won't fly...any clues to what I might have wrong? This is how it looks per line... 329,1,John,Leonard,1,1 Where it is student #,building,first name,last name,active,active...Is this incorrect? Thank you for any help...John Quoting CHUCK SYPERSKI : > >From what I am reading it looks like they are using PostgreSQL as their db. > If this is the case then all you need to do is download the JDBC 3 driver > from thier site http://jdbc.postgresql.org/download.html for the version of > postgresql that you are running and put it in the src/lib directory. Then > run "PSCAFEPOS.sh --config" to setup your datafield mappings. If you have > any other questions please let me know. > > Thanks, > Chuck Syperski > Software Developer > DuPage High School District 88 John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Office:207-943-5332 Voice:207-943-0902 X181 Cell:207-233-3757 From rowens at ptd.net Tue Feb 27 23:51:32 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:51:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Advice In-Reply-To: <92de6c880702271006h5a7eb864jf712221a194ed9b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <67ab09941144ab3639fff5f88e92c9c6@redlands.k12.ca.us> <1172254963.17673.11.camel@localhost> <45E471B9.8030509@chelseaeagles.org> <92de6c880702271006h5a7eb864jf712221a194ed9b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070227235132.GA20463@clubber.owens.net> I've tested VMware and Qemu, and found VMware to be much quicker. I tried and tried to love Qemu, due to its free software status, but VMware just outperformed it. I also tried compiling Qemu w/ the kqemu accelerator. This is supposed to give performance near that of VMware. I never succeeeded, but I'm sure that's my fault (since plenty of other people have gotten it working). kqemu was recently released under the GPL (it was previously free of charge, but closed source). I recently read some news that Debian has "adopted" OpenVZ as its virtualization of choice. I've never tried it, but perhaps it's worth looking into. -Rob On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 01:06:36PM -0500, Tom Hoffman wrote: > On 2/27/07, Mark Goodridge wrote: > >Good Afternoon List, > >Would any of you care to pass on your opinions or experiences with any > >Virtual Machine software? I'm going to be doing some experiments with > >various operating systems and I thought I'd try that route. > > > >Thanks > >-- > >Mark Goodridge > >The Computer Guy > >Chelsea Elementary School > > For testing, QEMU works well for me under Ubuntu and is free software. > I also have had good experiences with VMWare Server, which is free as > in beer commercial software. > > They are both easy to use, and for testing out OS's I wouldn't mess > with anything more complex. > > --Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rowens at ptd.net Tue Feb 27 23:58:50 2007 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:58:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos? In-Reply-To: <45E49EF7.3000407@standard.k12.ca.us> References: <45E49EF7.3000407@standard.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <20070227235850.GB20463@clubber.owens.net> > 4) Has anyone got this running under Centos or other > longer-service-life distro? If this takes off I would prefer not to > have to upgrade every 6 months or so. There is a version of K12LTSP based on CentOS. It has an "EL" suffix to the version name/number. Look here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/iso -Rob From ssh at tranquility.net Wed Feb 28 00:07:06 2007 From: ssh at tranquility.net (ssh at tranquility.net) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:07:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT-Multiple Knoppix and hostnames In-Reply-To: <45306.192.168.254.3.1172358390.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <45306.192.168.254.3.1172358390.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <1172621226.11162.9.camel@bofh.ltsp> Hi All, My workplace has a dozen Win98 machines they need to replace. I have been trying to promote K12LTSP to them. The client needs are very minimial. One problem they would have is getting the clients isolated on their own network. It may be possible to Vlan them off for that. The clients are so physically scattered that re-wiring is not a trivial task. Floppy boot is also problematic because it is a dusty environment. Barring that, I considered booting the clients to Knoppix. I can remaster Knoppix and remove much (most) of what is unneeded. A problem I wonder about is having a lot of computers on the network all with "Knoppix" as the hostname. There's a couple of ways around this. Since the machines have storage, it wouldn't be too hard to save a persistent home directory to a FAT32 partition, and have them booted with the cheatcodes to read the info from there. K12LTSP does this by having everything named in /etc/hosts file. What would be a good way? thx Scott S. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a standard .csv file created out of Excel but it just won't fly...any clues to what I might have wrong? This is how it looks per line... 329,1,John,Leonard,1,1 Where it is student #,building,first name,last name,active,active...Is this incorrect? Thank you for any help...John Quoting CHUCK SYPERSKI : > >From what I am reading it looks like they are using PostgreSQL as their db. > If this is the case then all you need to do is download the JDBC 3 driver > from thier site http://jdbc.postgresql.org/download.html for the version of > postgresql that you are running and put it in the src/lib directory. Then > run "PSCAFEPOS.sh --config" to setup your datafield mappings. If you have > any other questions please let me know. > > Thanks, > Chuck Syperski > Software Developer > DuPage High School District 88 John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Office:207-943-5332 Voice:207-943-0902 X181 Cell:207-233-3757 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From johnny at msad41.us Wed Feb 28 00:57:11 2007 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:57:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Lunchroom POS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1172624230.45e4d36700250@www.msad41.us> Yes, that did it...I was looking at a template in the docs folder and incorrectly adding that active....Just FYI, we use a SIS called Web2 School up here in Maine and I'm working with one of the people there right now. It's all written in java and it looks like all I need to do is install W2S on the same Fedora box as the POS and then import my data over from the current Windows server that it's running on and he thinks I'll be all set. I will keep you posted on how it goes. There are a fair number of schools in the NY, New England area that use Web2School for their SIS....Thank you for all that hard work by the way...It looks like you will be saving us around $5000 as opposed to purchasing NutriKids, which btw was almost in the purchase order stage...lol Thanks again, J Quoting CHUCK SYPERSKI : > It looks like you have one too many actives at the end I think (I am not in > front of my box right now) it should be: > > student id > building > fname > lname > meal status (F, R or N for free or reduced or Normal) > activity (0 or 1) > > Just so you know, you don't have to upload this data if you SIS has a > database backend that supports JDBC or ODBC, you can directly connect to > it. > > Please let me know if this doesn't work. > > Thanks for you interest, > Chuck Syperski > > >>> johnny at msad41.us 02/27/07 16:33 PM >>> > Chuck, I have your program running on an FC 5 box but when I try to upload > my > ..cvs file with the student info it gives me an error on all the lines. It's > a > standard .csv file created out of Excel but it just won't fly...any clues > to > what I might have wrong? This is how it looks per line... > 329,1,John,Leonard,1,1 > Where it is student #,building,first name,last name,active,active...Is this > incorrect? > Thank you for any help...John > > Quoting CHUCK SYPERSKI : > > > >From what I am reading it looks like they are using PostgreSQL as their > db. > > If this is the case then all you need to do is download the JDBC 3 driver > > from thier site http://jdbc.postgresql.org/download.html for the version > of > > postgresql that you are running and put it in the src/lib directory. > Then > > run "PSCAFEPOS.sh --config" to setup your datafield mappings. If you > have > > any other questions please let me know. > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Syperski > > Software Developer > > DuPage High School District 88 > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Office:207-943-5332 > Voice:207-943-0902 X181 > Cell:207-233-3757 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Office:207-943-5332 Voice:207-943-0902 X181 Cell:207-233-3757 From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Wed Feb 28 01:06:19 2007 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:06:19 -1000 (HST) Subject: [K12OSN] How do you setup clients so they print to different default printers? Message-ID: <36274.192.168.0.250.1172624779.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> Our school currently has one beefy LTSP server that we use for the computer lab (15 Clients) and library (12 Clients). We have setup (2) Dell 1710N network printers in the Lab & Library but how do you set the user profiles so each location prints to the correct printer by default? Thanks! Thin Client network range (192.168.0.100-200 /24) Lab Printer 192.168.0.10 /24 Library Printer 192.168.0.11 /24 Generic User accounts are created for each lab. ==Lab== Station 1 - 15 ==Library== Library 1 - 12 Wilson Chan From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Wed Feb 28 06:17:19 2007 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:17:19 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos? In-Reply-To: <20070227235850.GB20463@clubber.owens.net> References: <45E49EF7.3000407@standard.k12.ca.us> <20070227235850.GB20463@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <45E51E6F.3080101@tclcommunications.co.nz> Rob Owens wrote: >> 4) Has anyone got this running under Centos or other >> longer-service-life distro? If this takes off I would prefer not to >> have to upgrade every 6 months or so. >> > > you might look here sme7.1 centos 4.3 + ltsp > There is a version of K12LTSP based on CentOS. It has an "EL" suffix to > the version name/number. Look here: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/iso > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From olivier.royer at educagri.fr Wed Feb 28 09:20:32 2007 From: olivier.royer at educagri.fr (OLIVIER ROYER) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:20:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] pb vlc Message-ID: Hello I installed VLC on K12ltsp FC5. VLC works on the server. But it doesn't work on the thin client. The application closes immediately. Who resolved this problem ? (I want to use VLC to streaming video) Thanks Olivier ROYER From CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET Wed Feb 28 12:47:40 2007 From: CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:47:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Lunchroom POS Message-ID: I am very glad to help you. Please keep in mind that the road map for this product is driven by the needs of the users, so if there is any feature that you would like to see as part of it, please don't hesitate to let me know. Whole goal is to save schools money on operations so they can spend to better education. If there is anything else I can help you with, please let me know. Thanks, Chuck Syperski >>> johnny at msad41.us 02/27/07 06:57PM >>> Yes, that did it...I was looking at a template in the docs folder and incorrectly adding that active....Just FYI, we use a SIS called Web2 School up here in Maine and I'm working with one of the people there right now. It's all written in java and it looks like all I need to do is install W2S on the same Fedora box as the POS and then import my data over from the current Windows server that it's running on and he thinks I'll be all set. I will keep you posted on how it goes. There are a fair number of schools in the NY, New England area that use Web2School for their SIS....Thank you for all that hard work by the way...It looks like you will be saving us around $5000 as opposed to purchasing NutriKids, which btw was almost in the purchase order stage...lol Thanks again, J Quoting CHUCK SYPERSKI : > It looks like you have one too many actives at the end I think (I am not in > front of my box right now) it should be: > > student id > building > fname > lname > meal status (F, R or N for free or reduced or Normal) > activity (0 or 1) > > Just so you know, you don't have to upload this data if you SIS has a > database backend that supports JDBC or ODBC, you can directly connect to > it. > > Please let me know if this doesn't work. > > Thanks for you interest, > Chuck Syperski > > >>> johnny at msad41.us 02/27/07 16:33 PM >>> > Chuck, I have your program running on an FC 5 box but when I try to upload > my > ..cvs file with the student info it gives me an error on all the lines. It's > a > standard .csv file created out of Excel but it just won't fly...any clues > to > what I might have wrong? This is how it looks per line... > 329,1,John,Leonard,1,1 > Where it is student #,building,first name,last name,active,active...Is this > incorrect? > Thank you for any help...John > > Quoting CHUCK SYPERSKI : > > > >From what I am reading it looks like they are using PostgreSQL as their > db. > > If this is the case then all you need to do is download the JDBC 3 driver > > from thier site http://jdbc.postgresql.org/download.html for the version > of > > postgresql that you are running and put it in the src/lib directory. > Then > > run "PSCAFEPOS.sh --config" to setup your datafield mappings. If you > have > > any other questions please let me know. > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Syperski > > Software Developer > > DuPage High School District 88 > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Office:207-943-5332 > Voice:207-943-0902 X181 > Cell:207-233-3757 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Office:207-943-5332 Voice:207-943-0902 X181 Cell:207-233-3757 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Feb 28 12:56:54 2007 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:56:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working In-Reply-To: <45E48E7A.5040606@maltzen.net> Message-ID: /etc/hosts looks like it's supposed to, 192.168.3.x wsXXX.ltsp wsXXX All entries appear to be there. Thanks for the help on this. -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: Petre Scheie [mailto:petre at maltzen.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:03 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working What is in your /etc/hosts file? The hostname command should return something like ws001 or similar, which should be found in /etc/hosts. Petre Calvin Park wrote: > Petre, > > Thanks for the link. I've gone through the twelve steps and it looks like step 4 (Does your workstation know its name) is the issue. When I enter hostname I receive "(none)" as the response. I checked the various /etc/dhcpd.* files, and all seems to be as it should. :-/ > > Anyone have any further ideas? > > -Calvin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Petre Scheie [mailto:petre at maltzen.net] > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:26 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working > > Noting that my previous message was not much help since you're using LDAP, you might see > the LDA troubleshooting checklist: > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting > > Petre > > Petre Scheie wrote: >> I had a similar experience recently: Months ago, Local Device Access >> (LDA) was working fine for me. A few months elapsed in which LDA was >> not used by anyone. Then I went to use it to access some CDROMs and got >> the same behavior you describe: the icons appear, but when clicked on, >> they're empty. I 'fixed' the problem by putting all the user IDs into >> the fuse group. This is a small installation, so it's not a problem. >> Eric made some changes to the LDA code such that putting users into the >> fuse group isn't necessary (at the expense of a slightly lower security >> threshold). I keep this box updated, so my guess is that something >> along the way broke that modification. I didn't have time to delve into >> what actually broke. Try putting a user into the fuse group and see if >> it makes a difference. >> >> Petre >> >> Calvin Park wrote: >>> Sorry, this is actually the second time I sent this. I realized before >>> that I sent it from an address that wasn't a member of the list, so >>> it's probably waiting for moderation. So I thought I'd go ahead and >>> send this on through. >>> ------- >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We???ve been having a bit of a problem with out K12LTSP setup here. >>> Back in late January local device support just???stopped working. I >>> vaguely remember that this was after a bunch of updates, but I???m not >>> 100% sure. I know, that???s not really helpful. Anyway, when you >>> insert a USB stick the folder icon appears on the user???s desktop but >>> no files are listed when the user double clicks the folder. In going >>> through some of the archives I was thinking this had to do with >>> ltspfs-insecure. I???ve started/restarted it multiple times with no >>> luck. I also read a bit about the fuse group. I was prepared to add >>> all users to that group, but we authenticate against an ADS and I???m >>> not really clear on how to map windows groups to unix groups. I >>> thought I had figured it out after diving into the samba documentation >>> but to no avail. So, my question??? >>> >>> Should I try to reinstall the ltspfs package, could it be possible >>> that ltspfs-insecure is broken on our system? >>> OR >>> Should I just bit the bullet and try to figure out how to map a >>> windows group to the unix group fuse in order to get things working >>> again (and if so, could someone point me in the right direction)? >>> OR >>> Am I headed in the opposite direction of what I should be looking >>> into, in other words ??? does it have nothing to do with permissions >>> and whatnot and some small setting in a conf file somewhere just needs >>> changed? >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> -Calvin >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Wed Feb 28 13:03:46 2007 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:03:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E57DB2.2080401@McQuil.com> Calvin, Look at the LTSP wiki, there's a page on 'DHCP' and in that page, there's information about how to send a hostname to the client. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Calvin Park wrote: > /etc/hosts looks like it's supposed to, > > 192.168.3.x wsXXX.ltsp wsXXX > > All entries appear to be there. Thanks for the help on this. > > -Calvin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Petre Scheie [mailto:petre at maltzen.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:03 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working > > What is in your /etc/hosts file? The hostname command should return > something like ws001 or similar, which should be found in /etc/hosts. > > Petre > > Calvin Park wrote: > >> Petre, >> >> Thanks for the link. I've gone through the twelve steps and it looks like step 4 (Does your workstation know its name) is the issue. When I enter hostname I receive "(none)" as the response. I checked the various /etc/dhcpd.* files, and all seems to be as it should. :-/ >> >> Anyone have any further ideas? >> >> -Calvin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Petre Scheie [mailto:petre at maltzen.net] >> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:26 AM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] USB and Floppy support not working >> >> Noting that my previous message was not much help since you're using LDAP, you might see >> the LDA troubleshooting checklist: >> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting >> >> Petre >> >> Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> I had a similar experience recently: Months ago, Local Device Access >>> (LDA) was working fine for me. A few months elapsed in which LDA was >>> not used by anyone. Then I went to use it to access some CDROMs and got >>> the same behavior you describe: the icons appear, but when clicked on, >>> they're empty. I 'fixed' the problem by putting all the user IDs into >>> the fuse group. This is a small installation, so it's not a problem. >>> Eric made some changes to the LDA code such that putting users into the >>> fuse group isn't necessary (at the expense of a slightly lower security >>> threshold). I keep this box updated, so my guess is that something >>> along the way broke that modification. I didn't have time to delve into >>> what actually broke. Try putting a user into the fuse group and see if >>> it makes a difference. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> Calvin Park wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry, this is actually the second time I sent this. I realized before >>>> that I sent it from an address that wasn't a member of the list, so >>>> it's probably waiting for moderation. So I thought I'd go ahead and >>>> send this on through. >>>> ------- >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> We???ve been having a bit of a problem with out K12LTSP setup here. >>>> Back in late January local device support just???stopped working. I >>>> vaguely remember that this was after a bunch of updates, but I???m not >>>> 100% sure. I know, that???s not really helpful. Anyway, when you >>>> insert a USB stick the folder icon appears on the user???s desktop but >>>> no files are listed when the user double clicks the folder. In going >>>> through some of the archives I was thinking this had to do with >>>> ltspfs-insecure. I???ve started/restarted it multiple times with no >>>> luck. I also read a bit about the fuse group. I was prepared to add >>>> all users to that group, but we authenticate against an ADS and I???m >>>> not really clear on how to map windows groups to unix groups. I >>>> thought I had figured it out after diving into the samba documentation >>>> but to no avail. So, my question??? >>>> >>>> Should I try to reinstall the ltspfs package, could it be possible >>>> that ltspfs-insecure is broken on our system? >>>> OR >>>> Should I just bit the bullet and try to figure out how to map a >>>> windows group to the unix group fuse in order to get things working >>>> again (and if so, could someone point me in the right direction)? >>>> OR >>>> Am I headed in the opposite direction of what I should be looking >>>> into, in other words ??? does it have nothing to do with permissions >>>> and whatnot and some small setting in a conf file somewhere just needs >>>> changed? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance! >>>> -Calvin >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Feb 28 14:03:49 2007 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:03:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos? In-Reply-To: <20070227235850.GB20463@clubber.owens.net> Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E1FE93@MAILBE2.westat.com> Rob Owens wrote: >> >> > 4) Has anyone got this running under Centos or other >> > longer-service-life distro? If this takes off I would >> > prefer not to have to upgrade every 6 months or so. >> >> There is a version of K12LTSP based on CentOS. It has an >> "EL" suffix to the version name/number. Look here: >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/iso What is the prognosis for K12LTSP 4.2.4EL? It is still in the testing directory but the files haven't been changed since September. Will it be finished or will it languish and be replaced by the CentOS 5 version? Which of these options would you recommend? * Use 4.2.3EL which is a bit older but stable and supported * Use 4.2.4EL which is newer but not fully debugged * Wait for RHEL5 and then CentOS 5 and then a K12 version -- Henry From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 28 14:34:06 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:34:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos? In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E1FE93@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E1FE93@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <45E592DE.2010801@futuresource.com> Henry Hartley wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: >>>> 4) Has anyone got this running under Centos or other >>>> longer-service-life distro? If this takes off I would >>>> prefer not to have to upgrade every 6 months or so. >>> There is a version of K12LTSP based on CentOS. It has an >>> "EL" suffix to the version name/number. Look here: >>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/iso > > > What is the prognosis for K12LTSP 4.2.4EL? It is still in the testing > directory but the files haven't been changed since September. Will it > be finished or will it languish and be replaced by the CentOS 5 version? > > Which of these options would you recommend? > * Use 4.2.3EL which is a bit older but stable and supported > * Use 4.2.4EL which is newer but not fully debugged > * Wait for RHEL5 and then CentOS 5 and then a K12 version I think you should end up with the same thing after a 'yum update' whether you install 4.2.3EL or 4.2.4EL. At least that's the way normal CentOS works. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 28 14:47:28 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:47:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT-Multiple Knoppix and hostnames In-Reply-To: <1172621226.11162.9.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <45306.192.168.254.3.1172358390.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <1172621226.11162.9.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <45E59600.3060409@maltzen.net> Since the machines have a CD drive, why not create an etherboot CD to boot the machines as LTSP clients? Another option would be to buy NICs that have an etherboot chip to use in those machines. Disklessworkstations.com has them for $20 a piece. Then you don't have to worry about the dust and the CD drive. Why do the clients need to be on their own network segment? You can use the K12LTSP server to provide DHCP-supplied addresses to all computers; the non-thin clients will just ignore the extra info given out. Separating the clients onto a separate network is not mandatory. Petre ssh at tranquility.net wrote: > Hi All, > > My workplace has a dozen Win98 machines they need to replace. I have > been trying to promote K12LTSP to them. The client needs are very > minimial. One problem they would have is getting the clients isolated on > their own network. It may be possible to Vlan them off for that. The > clients are so physically scattered that re-wiring is not a trivial > task. Floppy boot is also problematic because it is a dusty environment. > > Barring that, I considered booting the clients to Knoppix. I can > remaster Knoppix and remove much (most) of what is unneeded. A problem I > wonder about is having a lot of computers on the network all with > "Knoppix" as the hostname. > > There's a couple of ways around this. Since the machines have storage, > it wouldn't be too hard to save a persistent home directory to a FAT32 > partition, and have them booted with the cheatcodes to read the info > from there. K12LTSP does this by having everything named in /etc/hosts > file. What would be a good way? > > thx > Scott S. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Feb 28 15:33:35 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:33:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cups question In-Reply-To: <362115.71407.qm@web35210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <362115.71407.qm@web35210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070228153257.M3611@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:05:17 -0800 (PST), James Huffman wrote > Hello all! > I have a (hopefully) easy cups question. We have a > few users who default to the wrong paper size even > after I change their properties...we have to manually > delete their print jobs when they forget to change it > on their own. The next time they log in though they > have to change again... > Any ideas? I found this in a Google search: ------------------------------ If you're using cups as your print server, then going to http://localhost:631 and setting the default paper size to letter should sort you out. ------------------------------ See if that fixes the problems for you. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ssh at tranquility.net Wed Feb 28 15:38:08 2007 From: ssh at tranquility.net (ssh at tranquility.net) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:38:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT-Multiple Knoppix and hostnames In-Reply-To: <45E59600.3060409@maltzen.net> References: <45306.192.168.254.3.1172358390.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <1172621226.11162.9.camel@bofh.ltsp> <45E59600.3060409@maltzen.net> Message-ID: There are approximately 500 machines on their network, they won't want to suddenly trust DHCP to "something new". I know that dust will be a problem on CD's as well, but it perhaps won't be as destructive as it is to a floppy. So far, they are hellbent on the machines being standalone. They understand the terminal server concept and benefits, but things are already spread out pushing the limits of Cat5 length now, and there's three shifts working around these machines. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 28 15:58:33 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:58:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How do you setup clients so they print to different default printers? In-Reply-To: <36274.192.168.0.250.1172624779.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> References: <36274.192.168.0.250.1172624779.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> Message-ID: <45E5A6A9.3080409@maltzen.net> You'll have to assign specific addresses to the clients in /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf. Then you can control the default printer based on the workstation name or address. For example, you could create the following script, call it set_printer.sh, and put it in /etc/profile.d. #!/bin/sh # Set default printer based on which workstation is being used ws=$(echo $LTSP_CLIENT|cut -d. -f1) case $ws in ws001 ) lpoptions -d library_printer ;; ws002 ) lpoptions -d library_printer ;; # and so on for the library workstations ... # now assign printers for the lab workstations ws013 ) lpoptions -d lab_printer ;; ws014 ) lpoptions -d lab_printer ;; # and so on esac ### End of script HTH Petre wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com wrote: > Our school currently has one beefy LTSP server that we use for the > computer lab (15 Clients) and library (12 Clients). We have setup (2) Dell > 1710N network printers in the Lab & Library but how do you set the user > profiles so each location prints to the correct printer by default? > Thanks! > > Thin Client network range (192.168.0.100-200 /24) > Lab Printer 192.168.0.10 /24 > Library Printer 192.168.0.11 /24 > > Generic User accounts are created for each lab. > ==Lab== > Station 1 - 15 > > ==Library== > Library 1 - 12 > > > > Wilson Chan > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 28 16:01:43 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:01:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT-Multiple Knoppix and hostnames In-Reply-To: References: <45306.192.168.254.3.1172358390.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <1172621226.11162.9.camel@bofh.ltsp> <45E59600.3060409@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45E5A767.1080604@futuresource.com> ssh at tranquility.net wrote: > There are approximately 500 machines on their network, they won't want > to suddenly trust DHCP to "something new". If you can get someone to add the extra options to the existing DHCP server, you don't have to change the server itself. > I know that dust will be a > problem on CD's as well, but it perhaps won't be as destructive as it is > to a floppy. So far, they are hellbent on the machines being standalone. > They understand the terminal server concept and benefits, but things are > already spread out pushing the limits of Cat5 length now, and there's > three shifts working around these machines. If the clients were all in one location, using a 2-NIC server setup would solve all your problems. If you have to run with a single nic over your backbone you can test the concept without changing anything by booting a machine into knoppix with 'knoppix 2' at the boot prompt so it doesn't start X automatically, then use 'X -query server_name_or_IP' to start X with the desktop running on the server. If that works the way you want, you should be able to remaster knoppix to always start that way. Whatever problem you thought you might have with identical hostnames won't be a problem in this scenario. It might be even better to build a custom thinstation CD that would run NX, especially if you don't have a gig backbone. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 28 16:58:57 2007 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:58:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FUDCON presentation on K12LTSP by Warren Togami Message-ID: <45E5B4D1.9040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/fudcon-boston-2007-k12ltsp.ogg http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/fudcon-boston-2007-k12ltsp.ogg.torrent -Eric From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Wed Feb 28 17:37:21 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:37:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Advice In-Reply-To: <1172604666.5387.7.camel@larry-laptop> References: <67ab09941144ab3639fff5f88e92c9c6@redlands.k12.ca.us> <97EFBA6B-F6AF-4190-BCB0-B0133B4E2B37@breun.nl> <1172604666.5387.7.camel@larry-laptop> Message-ID: <200702281337.21581.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Tuesday 27 February 2007 15:31, lmcpherson wrote: > I use a Dell D600 laptop with Ubuntu 6.10 as the host and VMware > workstation - Win98 & WinXP clients. When I'm working wireless, Ubuntu > does not pass on the parameters to the VM - (WIN98 & WINXP Clients). > The wired connections works great - and I can use a share folder that > all OSs can access. I also loaded Ubuntu Server 6.10 as a client -- but > it continually crashes. > A little off topic, but if you put your virtual machines on the NAT network, the virtual machines can use the net whether you use wired or wifi networking on the host (the virtual machines always use their virtual ethernet NICs). I am using Fedora Core 6 on a Dell Inspiron 6400 as the host, with VMPlayer (I build the virtual machines with VMServer on my desktop and move them to the Laptop). I actually have a virtual network running on the host-only and NAT networks: - K12LTSP-5 server (also does DHCP for host-only net) - IPCop with URL filter (firewall between host-only and NAT nets) - PXE diskless workstation (boots from virtual LTSP server on host-only net) I wanted to be able to demonstrate FLOSS/Thin-client computing even if I had no physical network. Now the only thing I need is an LCD projector and an audience to demo LTSP and IPCop :-} BTW the virtual diskless terminal uses networked sound and local USB storage too. The other virtual demo setup I have (on the same laptop) is a virtual Windows XP Pro workstation, established on an NT-style domain via a Fedora/Samba/OpenLDAP server (set up with the wonderful smbldap-installer script). I'm starting to integrate FreeRADIUS to this to test secure WiFi infrastructure using all OSS (I have only just started this). I can't run both demos at once (I don't have enough RAM), but I still think this is an effective platform for system integration testing and demonstration. Sharing the same folder among all virtual machines should be easily accomplished by running Samba on the host system and creating shares that can be accessed on the host-only and NAT networks (the virtual NICs are already there with VMPlayer/VMServer). -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 28 19:04:09 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:04:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 'Greatest Hits' Live CD Message-ID: <45E5D229.8040203@maltzen.net> All- I've built a live CD intended to be a 'demonstration disk' of the apps contained in K12LTSP6. You boot it up, and it looks like what users see on the client machines. You can download it here: http://petre.homedns.org/files/ This is my home web server, and I don't have a big pipe, so it may take a bit (anyone want to host it?) Astute observers will notice that it's really just an Edubuntu live CD doctored up to look like K12LTSP6. The purpose of the CD is to allow me (and you!) to give the CD to people so they can explore the apps that come with K12LTSP without needing to be at an actual terminal. The disk does not contain any of the thin client pieces--no dhcpd, no /opt/ltsp, etc.--because it's for showing off the apps. I've been wanting such a live CD for a while. At a school where I got my company to donate some laptops-with-the-hard-drive-removed for clients, the school asked if we had any hard drives for the clients because they wanted to put K12LTSP onto a few laptops and let the teachers take them home to explore the software on their own time. We did have some drives, but I realized we were just lucky, that a more reproducable solution was necessary. I also realized that most people don't understand how LTSP works, and don't want to know, but they'd like to see what it looks like. Since Edubuntu already had all the KDE Edu stuff integrated into their live CD, I started with that, removed a bunch of stuff: -language files for Russion, Italian, etc.; -Evolution; most schools don't allow kids to access email, and if they do, they use a web browser -the Ubuntu installer; this is a demo disk, not intended for installation (and I needed the space) -anything else I could remove from the menus because if they weren't on the K12LTSP menus or at least available via yum, e.g,. Xaos And then I added the Edutainment & Games apps that were missing, e.g., kgeography, KLatin, Chess, etc. So, it's something you can hand out to people to show them what's available for free. Let me know what you think of it. Petre From ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca Wed Feb 28 19:37:12 2007 From: ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca (Ryan Hackl) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:37:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] User folder not created (odd behaviour) Message-ID: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A5822@mail1.lskysd.ca> We've set up a new dual k12ltsp system (serv01 and serv02) which authenticate back to an LDAP server that contains all home folders. A client starts up and randomly chooses the next available terminal server. When this happens, the user logs on to the system, the home folders are 'copied' across to the new server, and normal session login occurs. I have ONE USER (that's the odd behaviour) that can log on to serv01 but not serv02. When she logs into serv01, the home folder is created in the /home directory of serv01, and everything 'works normally.' When she tries to log into serv02 in the exact manner (with same username/password, session type, etc), she gets the message Your home directory is listed as: '/home/' but it does not appear to exist. Do you want to log in with the / (root) directory as your home directory And she can't log in (no copying of the /home folders from the LDAP server to serv02/home occurs) Any ideas of what's gone wrong for this one user, and where to look for a fix? - Ryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Unfortunately it looks like it will take 8 hrs > or so. > > Care to send me the md5sum so I can make sure when I post matches yours? > > best, > -tim > The md5sum is e583ba354fe4f6706c069b1eb141a1c1 Actually, I've got it on my laptop here at work, where I have a much bigger pipe. If it's going to take eight hours, do you have a place where I could push it to from here in presumably less time? Thanks for your help. Petre From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Wed Feb 28 19:49:44 2007 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:49:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Temp server not finding matching ram at reboot Message-ID: <8b88203f0702281149k5997736fkc32ac515ca6309b4@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I've got the weirdest thing going on... Our twin Opteron server is having ecc ram errors and is off to the shop and I have brought in from home-- an AMD 64 X2 4 gigs matching transcend ram asus a8n vm csm mobo. The k12ltsp fc6 install is running smooth except for when it isn't... the ram totals out at 2816 megs. Pull the battery, jumper to clear the cmos and fire it up: 4 gigs found. Boot the k12ltsp -- top it and 2816 megs ram indicated. Power off and restart- bios reports 2816... Pull the battery clear cmos... restart ram check 4 gigs... boot up k12ltsp and top it: 2816 ram!! Soooo... google finds one comment about pulling the battery as the fix but this isn't working... Any guru or with experience with a problem like this? Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pull the battery, jumper to clear the cmos and fire it up: 4 gigs found. Boot the k12ltsp -- top it and 2816 megs ram indicated. Power off and restart- bios reports 2816... Pull the battery clear cmos... restart ram check 4 gigs... boot up k12ltsp and top it: 2816 ram!! Soooo... google finds one comment about pulling the battery as the fix but this isn't working... Any guru or with experience with a problem like this? Thanks, Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Wed Feb 28 20:20:15 2007 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:20:15 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Temp=20server=20not=20fin?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ding=20matching=20ram=20at=20reboot?= In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0702281149k5997736fkc32ac515ca6309b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0702281149k5997736fkc32ac515ca6309b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E59DB0020000BB00002EA1@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> I have this very same hardware running k12ltsp with 2G ram. Take a look at this: http://quaggaspace.org/a8nvm/ I know it does'nt answer your question but maybe the suggested BIOS upgrade will. Guy Lessard Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais Gatineau, Qu?bec Canada >>> "Jim Christiansen" 2007-02-28 14:49:44 >>> Hi All, I've got the weirdest thing going on... Our twin Opteron server is having ecc ram errors and is off to the shop and I have brought in from home-- an AMD 64 X2 4 gigs matching transcend ram asus a8n vm csm mobo. The k12ltsp fc6 install is running smooth except for when it isn't... the ram totals out at 2816 megs. Pull the battery, jumper to clear the cmos and fire it up: 4 gigs found. Boot the k12ltsp -- top it and 2816 megs ram indicated. Power off and restart- bios reports 2816... Pull the battery clear cmos... restart ram check 4 gigs... boot up k12ltsp and top it: 2816 ram!! Soooo... google finds one comment about pulling the battery as the fix but this isn't working... Any guru or with experience with a problem like this? Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From olivier.mugnier at laposte.net Wed Feb 28 20:27:13 2007 From: olivier.mugnier at laposte.net (Olivier Mugnier) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:27:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 'Greatest Hits' Live CD] References: <45E5DCB0.5050403@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <015a01c75b76$d6d21830$0100450a@olivier> Get this can help... http://www.tribalweb.net/tour/accueil.php?lg=us What the size ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:49 PM Subject: [Fwd: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 'Greatest Hits' Live CD] > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 'Greatest Hits' Live CD > Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:36:28 -0600 > From: Petre Scheie > To: Tim Born > References: <45E5D229.8040203 at maltzen.net> > <45E5D6C9.5070501 at deltacfax.com> > > Tim Born wrote: >> Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> All- >>> I've built a live CD intended to be a 'demonstration disk' of the apps >>> contained in K12LTSP6. You boot it up, and it looks like what users see >>> on the client machines. You can download it here: >>> >>> http://petre.homedns.org/files/ >>> >>> This is my home web server, and I don't have a big pipe, so it may take >>> a bit (anyone want to host it?) >> >> I'm copying it over to one of my public machines. It's on a T1, so it >> has good connectivity. Unfortunately it looks like it will take 8 hrs or >> so. >> >> Care to send me the md5sum so I can make sure when I post matches yours? >> >> best, >> -tim >> > The md5sum is e583ba354fe4f6706c069b1eb141a1c1 > > Actually, I've got it on my laptop here at work, where I have a much > bigger pipe. If > it's going to take eight hours, do you have a place where I could push it > to from here > in presumably less time? > > Thanks for your help. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 28 20:39:41 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:39:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 'Greatest Hits' Live CD] In-Reply-To: <015a01c75b76$d6d21830$0100450a@olivier> References: <45E5DCB0.5050403@maltzen.net> <015a01c75b76$d6d21830$0100450a@olivier> Message-ID: <45E5E88D.40204@maltzen.net> It's 682MB. Unfortunately, I don't think the tribalweb stuff will help. I was just looking for an alternative place to host the file since the upload pipe on my home server is small. Besides, tribalweb looks like a Windows app, and I don't use Windows. Petre Olivier Mugnier wrote: > Get this can help... > http://www.tribalweb.net/tour/accueil.php?lg=us > > What the size ? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:49 PM > Subject: [Fwd: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 'Greatest Hits' Live CD] > > >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 'Greatest Hits' Live CD >> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:36:28 -0600 >> From: Petre Scheie >> To: Tim Born >> References: <45E5D229.8040203 at maltzen.net> >> <45E5D6C9.5070501 at deltacfax.com> >> >> Tim Born wrote: >>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>> >>>> All- >>>> I've built a live CD intended to be a 'demonstration disk' of the >>>> apps contained in K12LTSP6. You boot it up, and it looks like what >>>> users see on the client machines. You can download it here: >>>> >>>> http://petre.homedns.org/files/ >>>> >>>> This is my home web server, and I don't have a big pipe, so it may >>>> take a bit (anyone want to host it?) >>> >>> I'm copying it over to one of my public machines. It's on a T1, so >>> it has good connectivity. Unfortunately it looks like it will take 8 >>> hrs or so. >>> >>> Care to send me the md5sum so I can make sure when I post matches yours? >>> >>> best, >>> -tim >>> >> The md5sum is e583ba354fe4f6706c069b1eb141a1c1 >> >> Actually, I've got it on my laptop here at work, where I have a much >> bigger pipe. If >> it's going to take eight hours, do you have a place where I could push >> it to from here >> in presumably less time? >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From olivier.mugnier at laposte.net Wed Feb 28 21:12:02 2007 From: olivier.mugnier at laposte.net (Olivier Mugnier) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:12:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 'Greatest Hits' Live CD] References: <45E5DCB0.5050403@maltzen.net><015a01c75b76$d6d21830$0100450a@olivier> <45E5E88D.40204@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <019e01c75b7d$18ca01c0$0100450a@olivier> Sorry... I shoudn't have posted a windows link on this list... ;-) Give on over eye on this... www.YouSendt.com but i must admit that paying is somehow ennoying ! If you speak a bit of french, you can try http://dl.free.fr They say for big transfert... connect to ftp dl.free.fr Login with a valid email adress the password will be kept for uploading for 24 hour I guess you can use whatever password you want... I read that download speed will be limited for non free user but I didn't read that you need to be in free to post... Good luck.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 'Greatest Hits' Live CD] > It's 682MB. Unfortunately, I don't think the tribalweb stuff will help. > I was just looking for an alternative place to host the file since the > upload pipe on my home server is small. Besides, tribalweb looks like a > Windows app, and I don't use Windows. > > Petre > > Olivier Mugnier wrote: >> Get this can help... >> http://www.tribalweb.net/tour/accueil.php?lg=us >> >> What the size ? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:49 PM >> Subject: [Fwd: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 'Greatest Hits' Live CD] >> >> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 'Greatest Hits' Live CD >>> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:36:28 -0600 >>> From: Petre Scheie >>> To: Tim Born >>> References: <45E5D229.8040203 at maltzen.net> >>> <45E5D6C9.5070501 at deltacfax.com> >>> >>> Tim Born wrote: >>>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>>> >>>>> All- >>>>> I've built a live CD intended to be a 'demonstration disk' of the apps >>>>> contained in K12LTSP6. You boot it up, and it looks like what users >>>>> see on the client machines. You can download it here: >>>>> >>>>> http://petre.homedns.org/files/ >>>>> >>>>> This is my home web server, and I don't have a big pipe, so it may >>>>> take a bit (anyone want to host it?) >>>> >>>> I'm copying it over to one of my public machines. It's on a T1, so it >>>> has good connectivity. Unfortunately it looks like it will take 8 hrs >>>> or so. >>>> >>>> Care to send me the md5sum so I can make sure when I post matches >>>> yours? >>>> >>>> best, >>>> -tim >>>> >>> The md5sum is e583ba354fe4f6706c069b1eb141a1c1 >>> >>> Actually, I've got it on my laptop here at work, where I have a much >>> bigger pipe. If >>> it's going to take eight hours, do you have a place where I could push >>> it to from here >>> in presumably less time? >>> >>> Thanks for your help. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 28 21:28:22 2007 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:28:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FUDCON presentation on K12LTSP by Warren Togami In-Reply-To: <45E5B4D1.9040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45E5B4D1.9040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45E5F3F6.1050206@maltzen.net> Cool! I pulled down the ogg file. It ends rather abruptly, as the discussion was turning to formulating an exact list of what needs to be done. Is there any more to the video? Or do we have to tune in for next week's episode? Petre Eric Harrison wrote: > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/fudcon-boston-2007-k12ltsp.ogg > http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/fudcon-boston-2007-k12ltsp.ogg.torrent > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 28 21:40:44 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:40:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FUDCON presentation on K12LTSP by Warren Togami In-Reply-To: <45E5F3F6.1050206@maltzen.net> References: <45E5B4D1.9040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45E5F3F6.1050206@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <45E5F6DC.1030302@mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > Cool! I pulled down the ogg file. It ends rather abruptly, as the > discussion was turning to formulating an exact list of what needs to be > done. Is there any more to the video? Or do we have to tune in for > next week's episode? I think that's all the video that was captured. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Feb 28 22:36:15 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:36:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos? In-Reply-To: <45E592DE.2010801@futuresource.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E1FE93@MAILBE2.westat.com> <45E592DE.2010801@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <45E603DF.8030502@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > Henry Hartley wrote: >> Rob Owens wrote: >>>>> 4) Has anyone got this running under Centos or other >>>>> longer-service-life distro? If this takes off I would >>>>> prefer not to have to upgrade every 6 months or so. >>>> There is a version of K12LTSP based on CentOS. It has an >>>> "EL" suffix to the version name/number. Look here: >>>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/iso >> >> >> What is the prognosis for K12LTSP 4.2.4EL? It is still in the testing >> directory but the files haven't been changed since September. Will it >> be finished or will it languish and be replaced by the CentOS 5 version? >> >> Which of these options would you recommend? >> * Use 4.2.3EL which is a bit older but stable and supported >> * Use 4.2.4EL which is newer but not fully debugged >> * Wait for RHEL5 and then CentOS 5 and then a K12 version > > I think you should end up with the same thing after a 'yum update' > whether you install 4.2.3EL or 4.2.4EL. At least that's the way > normal CentOS works. > You do, indeed. I use K12LTSP 4.2EL, and all the normal CentOS updates come right on down upon issuing a yum update. [microman at takhisis ~]$ more /etc/redhat-release CentOS release 4.4 (Final) [microman at takhisis ~]$ uname -a Linux takhisis.cmosnetworks.com 2.6.9-42.0.3.ELsmp #1 SMP Fri Oct 6 06:21:39 CDT 2006 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux [microman at takhisis ~]$ --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steven at simplycircus.com Wed Feb 28 23:00:54 2007 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:00:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] User folder not created (odd behaviour) In-Reply-To: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A5822@mail1.lskysd.ca> Message-ID: Instead of copieing, try NFS mounting /home on each terminal server from the LDAP server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Ryan Hackl Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:37 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] User folder not created (odd behaviour) We've set up a new dual k12ltsp system (serv01 and serv02) which authenticate back to an LDAP server that contains all home folders. A client starts up and randomly chooses the next available terminal server. When this happens, the user logs on to the system, the home folders are 'copied' across to the new server, and normal session login occurs. I have ONE USER (that's the odd behaviour) that can log on to serv01 but not serv02. When she logs into serv01, the home folder is created in the /home directory of serv01, and everything 'works normally.' When she tries to log into serv02 in the exact manner (with same username/password, session type, etc), she gets the message Your home directory is listed as: '/home/' but it does not appear to exist. Do you want to log in with the / (root) directory as your home directory And she can't log in (no copying of the /home folders from the LDAP server to serv02/home occurs) Any ideas of what's gone wrong for this one user, and where to look for a fix? - Ryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: