[K12OSN] Terminal Services Licenses for rdesktop

[David Hopkins]

I just checked MS Terminal server manager and it shows 35 sessions are
active from students on the system used by the students.  But, checking
Terminal server licenses only shows 1 license (a single device cal)  being
required.  Now, we have 50 licenses on the server, and over the last 4
years, only 6 have ever been used, one for each different device that has
connected (4 other servers and 2 desktops via MS's TSclient).  I agree that
MS would probably take exception to the use of a Linux TS to tie in with
their TS because it looks like it only pulls 1 license, but .. that is why I
mentioned the device CAL issue.

I still think that the way the licensing was intended was that each TS
session requires a device cal for each device.  This isn't unreasonable from
MS's perspective where the remote devices are single user systems (their
desktops) and thus each device corresponds to a user session, but ... if
coming from a multi-user system, it appears they did not account for this
scenario.  I would probably still lose in court though :(

Sincerely,
Dave Hopkins


On 1/26/07, Petre Scheie <petre at maltzen.net> wrote:
>
> My recollection from  previous discussions is that whatever is the most
> expensive way to
> do it, that's the way MS charges you, at least in regard to TS client
> licenses.
> Olivier's description fits that: you need a license for each client
> machine.  The fact
> that multiple copies are running on one machine, the server, is
> irrelevant.  Make sure
> the administration knows this, that ANY time you start to venture into the
> MS world, it
> will cost more money.
>
> Petre
>
> Olivier Mugnier wrote:
> > Knowing a bit of TSE technology on windows... you need one license for
> > each connection
> > I mean... 1 license <=> 1 thin client (the same or different during
> time)
> >
> > You can open a non-local session for each license you have....
> >
> > Not knowing LSTP yet but I think that if you want RDP service on win,
> > you need as much license as you have thin client connected at same time
> > (1 client is already include in windows pro, 2 in server editions)
> > (RDP don't allow you to boot but linux have RDP client)
> > Not sure of the difference between RDP and TSE....
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     *From:* David Hopkins <mailto:dahopkins429 at gmail.com>
> >     *To:* Support list for open source software in schools.
> >     <mailto:k12osn at redhat.com>
> >     *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:32 PM
> >     *Subject:* Re: [K12OSN] Terminal Services Licenses for rdesktop
> >
> >     I think this was discussed before, but ... are TSCALs per device
> >     that is connecting or per user?  I thought there was a possibility
> >     that if it was per device, then from the Windows Terminal Server's
> >     perspective only one device is connecting (all connections originate
> >     from the Linux terminal server), but with multiple sessions?
> >     Anyhow, not sure I would want to test this logic in court.
> >
> >     Otherwise, I second taking a shot at using wine to run the app first
> >     before investing in the TSCALs.  $138 Canadian?  And I complained
> >     about $42 US.
> >
> >     Sincerely,
> >     Dave Hopkins
> >
> >
> >
> >     On 1/25/07, *Mel Wade* <mel at melwade.com <mailto:mel at melwade.com>>
> >     wrote:
> >
> >         Yes, if you are going to access a Windows Terminal Server.
> >
> >         --
> >         Mel Wade
> >         "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men
> >         do." - BF Skinner
> >         http://www.melwade.com <http://www.melwade.com/>
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