[K12OSN] general acceptance of k12ltsp in schools

["Terrell Prudé Jr."]

Vince Callaway wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 02:32 -0500, "Terrell Prudé Jr." wrote:
>   
>> I have heard all of the following:
>>
>> "Look, we have to prepare our children for the 'real world', and the
>> 'real world' uses Microsoft."
>>     
> Most of the 'real world' is moving to web based applications.  The
> system your working on is quickly becoming irrelevant.
>
>   
>> "Microsoft is the standard.  Employers are demanding that schools
>> teach the standard."
>>     
> Employers are demanding that people can read, write and show up for work
> on time.
>
>   
>> "Nobody got fired for buying Microsoft."
>>     
> I came across k12ltsp by reading a blog about just that.  The blog was
> the account of someone who was hired to replace all the microsoft based
> computers companywide.  The reason is because M$ had done a license
> audit of the company and found they were not in compliance.  Meaning
> they could not document that all the PC's they bought actually came with
> windows.  The CEO made the decision to make the company Microsoft free.
> The main office was converted first and done over a weekend.  They saved
> thousands of dollars by not needing expensive PCs at every desk.
>
> Lastly the entire tech staff was fired for costing them so much money.
>
>   
>> "Linux is for techies."
>>     
> It's easier to administer than windows.
> My wife uses it who barely knows where the on button is.  She plays on
> pogo.com, uses gaim to chat and quite often has a dvd playing at the
> same time.  She just laughs when her chat buddies tell her they were
> offline because of a crash or virus.
>
>   
>> "Will it work with <insert special pet application>?"
>>     
> I've found very few windows apps that I could not run under wine.
>
>   
>> "Where's Internet Explorer?  Where's my Outlook?  I can't take time to
>> figure this out, I have to do real work!"
>>     
> Those apps are the reason you need virus scanners.  I convert everyone
> to firefox and either thunderbird or evolution.
>
>   
>> "We'd have to retrain all our staff!  That's expensive, we don't have
>> funding or time for that!" <Note: they seem to have no problem
>> spending big bucks for Windows training.>
>>
>>     
> You could (god forbid) reduce tech staff and save money.  Linux systems
> don't self destruct like windows systems do.
>
>   
>> And the coup de grace:
>>
>> "It was great while it lasted...."  This was the undercover one that
>> got ripped out by the Windows Nazis after two trouble-free years.
>>     
> My condolences.  Your comparison is a good one since it was removed out
> of fear.
>
>   
>> Of course, the mindset that you have to turn 3rd graders into "good
>> little employees" is a little frightening to me....
>>     
>
> 3rd graders should not even be aware of what they are working with.  If
> you are teaching them write does it matter what brand of pencil they
> use?
>
> Banning Linux is like banning books.  You are crossing line from
> education to indoctrination.
>
>   

Vince, you are, you understand, preachin' to the choir.  You, Bob, and
John Lucas are all absolutely correct.  The blog to which you're
referring that describes that BSA audit is called "The Blog of Helios"
over at blog.lobby4linux.com, and I read it, too.  Ken "Helios" Starks
now runs K12LTSP at "Ultra Secret Corporation," so named because they're
apparently in pending litigation with the BSA and Microsoft. 

Everyone on this list should read The Blog of Helios.  Starks's story is
truly an example of Things Done Right.  And he's doing it...WHILE
BATTLING CANCER.  Unfortunately, his site is apparently now
password-protected; I just tried it.  Hopefully this is just an
accidental Apache misconfiguration.

--TP
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