[K12OSN] liberation-fonts instead of msttcorefonts?

Tue Jul 10 14:03:47 UTC 2007

Using OpenOffice 2.0.4 on Linux and exporting to a PDF, I don't see any option to "embed the
typeface".  Does anybody know if that's done by default?  I always
thought that a PDF was a self-contained system, so to speak.  But this
thread has got me thinking that I'd better double check what I think I
know...

-Rob

On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 02:46:35AM -0400, "Terrell Prudé Jr." wrote:
> You're right on both counts, of course.  That was the point of demo'ing
> that file to her in three different versions of MS Word.  Like I said,
> she got real quiet, real fast.
> 
> As to your point about PDF's, I've seen that issue, too, especially when
> someone uses Arial Black.  Cisco used to be notorious for doing this
> kind of thing.  That's why, whenever I make a PDF, I go ahead and embed
> the typeface whenever possible.
> 
> --TP
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> 
> 
> Daniel Bodanske wrote:
> > Anyone who gets finicky about the layout of something in Word is being
> > silly, and I'll be happy to explain to them why they are. Word is not
> > a typesetting or desktop publishing program.
> >
> > A real issue, though is how these equivalent fonts affect PDFs, which
> > should display exactly the same everywhere. If the font is embedded,
> > there is never a problem, but I have seen PDFs where the default Sans
> > font is not the same on different computers, and the layout of the PDF
> > got screwed up with letters overlapping or improperly kerned (is that
> > the correct term?).
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On 7/10/07, "Terrell Prudé Jr." <microman at cmosnetworks.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  I use and like them as well.  They are indeed close, but not quite
> >> exact.
> >> I actually had someone comment to me about the "different look" of a
> >> document that I had sent them that used Liberation (I use
> >> OpenOffice.org).
> >> They looked at it in Times New Roman--on MS Word, naturally--and
> >> actually
> >> complained!  Reason?  The ends of the paragraphs didn't fall exactly
> >> in the
> >> same places (my printout vs. her screen display).  They were close,
> >> but not
> >> exactly the same.
> >>
> >>  Therefore, I decided on a little test.  I then viewed the same document
> >> again in OpenOffice.org, changing everything from Liberation to Times
> >> New
> >> Roman, and sure enough, the paragraphs ended in OpenOffice.org
> >> exactly where
> >> they did in my colleague's MS Word 2003.  She seemed to have a valid
> >> point
> >> at first.
> >>
> >>  OK, let's continue testing, I thought.  I fired up a Windows box w/
> >> MS Word
> >> XP, followed later with MS Word 2000, and viewed the same document in
> >> each,
> >> using Times New Roman.  Guess what?  The paragraphs didn't land exactly
> >> where they had in MS Word 2003!  Furthermore, Word XP and Word 2000
> >> had the
> >> paragraphs ending in slightly different places.  So, I said to my MS
> >> Word-using colleague, "so how do you deal with this with your Word
> >> XP-using
> >> boss?" My colleague then got quiet.
> >>
> >>  The test showed me two things.  First, OpenOffice.org 2.x is so
> >> compatible
> >> with MS Word 2003 that at times it even beats MS Word XP and 2000 (I
> >> didn't
> >> bother trying Word 97).  Second, using the Liberation typefaces doesn't
> >> produce any layout changes greater than switching between different
> >> versions
> >> of Microsoft Word.  A whole lot of businesses and schools continue to
> >> use MS
> >> Office 2000/XP, so this point is relevant.
> >>
> >>  Conclusion:  the Liberation typefaces are certainly good enough to
> >> replace
> >> Times New Roman.  Further, they are Free as in Freedom.  I absolutely
> >> will
> >> continue to use them.
> >>
> >>  I believe that we should continue to make the msttcorefonts
> >> available, if
> >> only to continue to serve notice to Microsoft:  WE WILL EXERCISE OUR
> >> RIGHTS.
> >>  It's much like why USA warships would sail periodically in the Black
> >> Sea
> >> during the Cold War as a notice to the Soviet Union.  However, we should
> >> also certainly pre-load Liberation and furthermore make it the default
> >> typeface.  If someone wants to choose the msttcorefonts, then they still
> >> can, but with Liberation, they don't have to anymore.
> >>
> >>  --TP
> >>
> >> _______________________________
> >>  Do you GNU!?
> >>  Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection!
> >>
> >>
> >>  Nadav Kavalerchik wrote:
> >> i second that :-)
> >>
> >>  i use them too, and they are great!
> >>  i also set the Font Replacement Table in OpenOffice to replace the
> >>  corresponding MS fonts with these fonts according to their fonts
> >> families.
> >>  it can be patched globally by editing the file:
> >>  /{where OO is
> >> installed}/openoffice.org2/user/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/Common.xcu
> >>
> >>  where the "Font Replacement Table" setting are stored.
> >>
> >>  i'm attaching it.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/8/07, Nils Breunese <nils at breun.nl> wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > I recently installed K12LTSP 5EL and notice that the 'Get Fonts'
> >> > launcher in 'Install additional software' builds and installs
> >> > msttcorefonts. Red Hat has recently released the liberation-fonts
> >> > package, which contains GPL substitutes for Microsoft's fonts.
> >> >
> >> > The press release says: "There are three sets: Sans (a substitute for
> >> > Arial, Albany, Helvetica, Nimbus Sans L, and Bitstream Vera Sans),
> >> > Serif (a substitute for Times New Roman, Thorndale, Nimbus Roman, and
> >> > Bitstream Vera Serif) and Mono (a substitute for Courier New,
> >> > Cumberland, Courier, Nimbus Mono L, and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono)."
> >> >
> >> > I've installed the liberation-fonts package on K12LTSP 5EL and it
> >> > works great. Shouldn't the script install these fonts instead?
> >> >
> >> >    < https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/ >
> >> >
> >> > Nils Breunese.
> >> >
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