[K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services

[David Hopkins]

Julius,

If you notice, I said I carry enough device cals to cover my thin clients.
However, I have device cals, not user cals, and the MS agreement is per
device that is connecting.  Technically, I have exactly 3 devices which are
connecting, the 3 LTSP boxes, and as picky as MS is in enforcing whatever
rules favor them, I find it ironic that I could get by with just 3 device
cals.

Now, that said, MS has also tried to force businesses to only use User cals
so that when a user leaves, the cal goes with them.  At a school, this would
be silly since students leave every year. Anyhow, not trying to start an
argument on this.  Just found it interesting.

Sincerely,
Dave Hopkins


On 7/11/07, Julius Szelagiewicz <julius at turtle.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, David Hopkins wrote:
>
> > I don't agree with this way of viewing it. Rdesktop is running from LTSP
> > server. And, if you go to the Terminal Services Licensing Manager on the
> > Windows TS, you'll see exactly 1 connection showing up, not matter how
> many
> > thin clients are connected.  I have 3 LTSP servers, and the most I have
> ever
> > had is 3 licenses being used, even with 150 thin clients in use.  I
> think MS
> > didn't think of this loophole.
> >
> they most certainly did - the licensing is per user, no matter how the
> server sees it. if you use their software, you should pay for it, no
> matter the value you get out of it.
> julius
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 7/10/07, Krsnendu dasa <krsnendu108 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you run the screen script, isn't rdesktop running as a local
> > > application on the terminal? If so it would have a different ip
> > > address. i.e. another device
> > >
> > > Of course if you run it through the server it would have the same ip
> > > address, but as Rob mentions below they have probably set it up that
> > > you can't access more than once from one ip address.
> > >
> > > On 11/07/07, Rob Owens <rowens at ptd.net> wrote:
> > > > Personally I think that if MS's technical measures don't prevent the
> > > > "one device loophole", then it is ok to do.  Like you said, I'm sure
> MS
> > > > would want you to pay more, but the fact seems to be that they
> > > > overlooked this--and that's their problem.
> > > >
> > > > -Rob
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:41:27AM -0400, David Hopkins wrote:
> > > > > A question I asked about the licence, but is dicey is that the
> device
> > > cals
> > > > > cover 'per device'.  From the windows side, every terminal session
> > > coming in
> > > > > via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it is all coming from
> 1
> > > device,
> > > > > so technically it probably meets the license requirements though I
> am
> > > sure
> > > > > MS wants to you pay for every client device and not for the
> terminal
> > > server
> > > > > itself.  I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my thin clients, but
> I
> > > guess
> > > > > some brave soul could argue the technical aspects with MS if they
> > > wanted.
> > > > > Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in their favor.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Dave Hopkins
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prudé Jr." <microman at cmosnetworks.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Roger Morris wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >John Lucas wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi
> > > > > >
> > > > > >What is the deal with terminal Services again?  I believe I need
> the
> > > > > >following:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >1) Windows Server
> > > > > >2) Device/Client Cals for Windows
> > > > > >3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long
> as
> > > > > >the above is properly licensed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Anything else required?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application
> mode",
> > > > > >       otherwise the
> > > > > >default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous
> > > users.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     to elaborate a little.  in 'admin' mode, no CAL is required,
> > > right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Correct.  You get two CAL's with admin mode automatically...but
> only
> > > two.
> > > > > >Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at the console,
> then
> > > that
> > > > > >counts as a session.  Thus, Windows XP will give you only one
> > > terminal
> > > > > >server session.  Dunno how that applies to Windows Server; might
> be
> > > > > >similar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--TP
> > > > > >
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