[K12OSN] liberation-fonts instead of msttcorefonts?

"Terrell Prudé Jr." microman at cmosnetworks.com
Tue Jul 10 06:46:35 UTC 2007

You're right on both counts, of course.  That was the point of demo'ing
that file to her in three different versions of MS Word.  Like I said,
she got real quiet, real fast.

As to your point about PDF's, I've seen that issue, too, especially when
someone uses Arial Black.  Cisco used to be notorious for doing this
kind of thing.  That's why, whenever I make a PDF, I go ahead and embed
the typeface whenever possible.

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Daniel Bodanske wrote:
> Anyone who gets finicky about the layout of something in Word is being
> silly, and I'll be happy to explain to them why they are. Word is not
> a typesetting or desktop publishing program.
> A real issue, though is how these equivalent fonts affect PDFs, which
> should display exactly the same everywhere. If the font is embedded,
> there is never a problem, but I have seen PDFs where the default Sans
> font is not the same on different computers, and the layout of the PDF
> got screwed up with letters overlapping or improperly kerned (is that
> the correct term?).
> Dan
> On 7/10/07, "Terrell Prudé Jr." <microman at cmosnetworks.com> wrote:
>>  I use and like them as well.  They are indeed close, but not quite
>> exact.
>> I actually had someone comment to me about the "different look" of a
>> document that I had sent them that used Liberation (I use
>> OpenOffice.org).
>> They looked at it in Times New Roman--on MS Word, naturally--and
>> actually
>> complained!  Reason?  The ends of the paragraphs didn't fall exactly
>> in the
>> same places (my printout vs. her screen display).  They were close,
>> but not
>> exactly the same.
>>  Therefore, I decided on a little test.  I then viewed the same document
>> again in OpenOffice.org, changing everything from Liberation to Times
>> New
>> Roman, and sure enough, the paragraphs ended in OpenOffice.org
>> exactly where
>> they did in my colleague's MS Word 2003.  She seemed to have a valid
>> point
>> at first.
>>  OK, let's continue testing, I thought.  I fired up a Windows box w/
>> MS Word
>> XP, followed later with MS Word 2000, and viewed the same document in
>> each,
>> using Times New Roman.  Guess what?  The paragraphs didn't land exactly
>> where they had in MS Word 2003!  Furthermore, Word XP and Word 2000
>> had the
>> paragraphs ending in slightly different places.  So, I said to my MS
>> Word-using colleague, "so how do you deal with this with your Word
>> XP-using
>> boss?" My colleague then got quiet.
>>  The test showed me two things.  First, OpenOffice.org 2.x is so
>> compatible
>> with MS Word 2003 that at times it even beats MS Word XP and 2000 (I
>> didn't
>> bother trying Word 97).  Second, using the Liberation typefaces doesn't
>> produce any layout changes greater than switching between different
>> versions
>> of Microsoft Word.  A whole lot of businesses and schools continue to
>> use MS
>> Office 2000/XP, so this point is relevant.
>>  Conclusion:  the Liberation typefaces are certainly good enough to
>> replace
>> Times New Roman.  Further, they are Free as in Freedom.  I absolutely
>> will
>> continue to use them.
>>  I believe that we should continue to make the msttcorefonts
>> available, if
>> only to continue to serve notice to Microsoft:  WE WILL EXERCISE OUR
>>  It's much like why USA warships would sail periodically in the Black
>> Sea
>> during the Cold War as a notice to the Soviet Union.  However, we should
>> also certainly pre-load Liberation and furthermore make it the default
>> typeface.  If someone wants to choose the msttcorefonts, then they still
>> can, but with Liberation, they don't have to anymore.
>>  --TP
>> _______________________________
>>  Do you GNU!?
>>  Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection!
>>  Nadav Kavalerchik wrote:
>> i second that :-)
>>  i use them too, and they are great!
>>  i also set the Font Replacement Table in OpenOffice to replace the
>>  corresponding MS fonts with these fonts according to their fonts
>> families.
>>  it can be patched globally by editing the file:
>>  /{where OO is
>> installed}/openoffice.org2/user/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/Common.xcu
>>  where the "Font Replacement Table" setting are stored.
>>  i'm attaching it.
>> On 7/8/07, Nils Breunese <nils at breun.nl> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I recently installed K12LTSP 5EL and notice that the 'Get Fonts'
>> > launcher in 'Install additional software' builds and installs
>> > msttcorefonts. Red Hat has recently released the liberation-fonts
>> > package, which contains GPL substitutes for Microsoft's fonts.
>> >
>> > The press release says: "There are three sets: Sans (a substitute for
>> > Arial, Albany, Helvetica, Nimbus Sans L, and Bitstream Vera Sans),
>> > Serif (a substitute for Times New Roman, Thorndale, Nimbus Roman, and
>> > Bitstream Vera Serif) and Mono (a substitute for Courier New,
>> > Cumberland, Courier, Nimbus Mono L, and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono)."
>> >
>> > I've installed the liberation-fonts package on K12LTSP 5EL and it
>> > works great. Shouldn't the script install these fonts instead?
>> >
>> >    < https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/ >
>> >
>> > Nils Breunese.
>> >
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