[K12OSN] LTSP in libraries - HELP!
"Terrell Prudé Jr."
microman at cmosnetworks.com
Fri Nov 23 20:48:25 UTC 2007
Conrad Lawes wrote:
> I appreciate all the merits of Open Source. However, if there's no
> comparable open source option that will offer the same, if not better,
> end result then it's counter-productive to suggest an open source
> solution simply because it's not MS.
>
I didn't. Read it again.
> For instance, suggesting a solution that is going to require replacing
> the current library system back-end just to satisfy the client-side
> requirements, IMHO would be over-kill, if not costly.
>
Red herring.
> It seems to me that Jim is perfectly happy with the XP solution that
> is presently in place. He just doesn't want to upgrade to Vista. So
> again, I ask why not stick just with XP?
>
>
Asked and answered. This time, actually read the reasons. :-)
--TP
> On Nov 23, 2007 2:00 PM, "Terrell Prudé Jr."
> <microman at cmosnetworks.com <mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com>> wrote:
>
> Hmm...several reasons:
>
> 1.) A system that actually *works* without major care and
> feeding. In short, a much, *MUCH* cheaper maintenance bill.
> 2.) A system with less up-front cost, in most cases, zero. Sure,
> this is small compared to maintenance, but it's still there.
> 3.) A system that actually supports truly open standards.
> 4.) A system that is virus free.
> 5.) A system that *you*, the user/sysadmin, can modify as you
> need. Yes, a lot of people actually do this!
> 6.) A system that actually gets updates right away, unlike MS
> ("oh, that WMF report is a feature, not a bug!")
> 7.) Freedom from license audit threats. Just ask Paul Nelson and
> other schools/libraries about that.
> 8.) A guarantee of "no piracy." It's impossible to "pirate"
> something that's Free, as in Freedom.
> 9.) The ability to, without any limitations, share that same
> software with whomever asks ("oh, your computer crashed? No prob,
> here's a Knoppix/Ubuntu/Fedora LiveCD so you can keep doing that
> book report").
>
> Windows XP is a steaming pile of dung, and Vista is yet worse.
> And both are a legal trap, a big one. Thus, my two questions to
> you would be,
>
> 1.) Why would you want to go backwards to MS Windows, instead of
> forward to something actually good like GNU/Linux?
> 2.) Are you *asking* for a license compliance audit, like what
> happened to Portland Public Schools and many others? I trust
> you've read that Microsoft EULA....
>
> --TP
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> Conrad Lawes wrote:
>> Dump question: Is there any reason why you can't continue using XP?
>> Many OEMs offer customers the choice of staying with XP. Vista
>> is not mandatory at least not yet.
>> It is apparent (from this thread) that any other solution is
>> going to require significant research time and investment.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2007 10:42 AM, Jim Anderson <gotthin at gmail.com
>> <mailto:gotthin at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I am in charge of the computers at my local library. We have 18
>> public computers running Windows XP and Envisionware software for
>> session control and printing. The library is beginning an
>> expansion
>> that will increase the number of public computers by 50% plus
>> add a
>> classroom with more computers. As I have a large part in the
>> decision-making in this area I would like to find a Free
>> alternative
>> to having a slew of Vista computers installed. The library
>> has had
>> good results with XP because of the "DeepFreeze" security
>> software
>> that is installed. However an upgrade to Vista will be very
>> costly
>> and I am totally unconvinced that it would be a smooth
>> transition and
>> maintenance will be incessant.
>>
>> I have experience with K12LTSP since helping with a computer
>> lab this
>> past year. I would like to bring the stability, reliability
>> and lower
>> cost of ownership that I have experienced with LTSP to the
>> library.
>> Instead of buying 25+ new Vista computers the library could buy
>> dedicated thin clients and new monitors. The library will see an
>> ongoing cost saving in electricity costs, as well. I had
>> been looking
>> at a Windows-based terminal server solution, but I can't get
>> away from
>> the fear that one user could do something that would require the
>> reboot of the whole system, or worse. In my mind LTSP is the
>> only way
>> to go.
>>
>> As well as using a lighweight locked-down desktop I need to
>> have some
>> way to control session lengths, create reservations (preferably a
>> self-service kiosk) and store print jobs in a queue for
>> release by by
>> the user. The system would have to be able to interface with a
>> payment system, such as Jamex, for payment of print jobs, and
>> it would
>> have to be able to read library card barcodes for making
>> reservations
>> and for print release.
>>
>> So my question is: "Does anyone know of any Linux systems
>> that would
>> work with LTSP and meet these requirements?"
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Jim Anderson
>>
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>> --
>> Regards,
>> Conrad Lawes
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