From mel at melwade.com Sat Sep 1 00:13:29 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:13:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Id "s1" respawning too fast In-Reply-To: <43080f460708310857k638d03achadafa453bfeded76@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708310804n29ab3234hd02a2bf019458268@mail.gmail.com> <46D8310B.7050802@McQuil.com> <43080f460708310857k638d03achadafa453bfeded76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460708311713x11e0c627xd5c019c07f391129@mail.gmail.com> I'm also getting this message when I try to login using LDAP: Aug 31 17:00:52 library gdm[7688]: pam_krb5[7688]: authentication succeeds for 'try' (try at UCASTUDENT.NET) Aug 31 17:00:57 ws252.ltsp lbuscd: expecting: 'Register|msgid|userid|username'^M Aug 31 17:00:57 ws252.ltsp ltspinfod: Connection from 192.168.0.254 port 60344 -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org Sat Sep 1 11:55:03 2007 From: willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org (willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:55:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] will this setup work? Message-ID: <20070901045503.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.bbe5b244d1.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Sep 1 21:58:59 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:58:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] will this setup work? In-Reply-To: <20070901045503.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.bbe5b244d1.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070901045503.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.bbe5b244d1.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <46D9E0A3.2040006@cmosnetworks.com> willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org wrote: > Ok, so I put Ipcop in between my modem and k12 box. I have the > internet on the server and clients, so most everything is ok, except > that my windows machines attached to the switch are not finding the > internet. I get a notification that there is "limited or no > connectivity". I swear that I had this exact setup for years, but now > its not working. Ever since Comcast bought out Adelphia, I've had > issues. > > I checked services; nat is running. > > Help! Are the Windows boxes on the same subnet as the LTSP clients? If so, can you ping and traceroute to the next hop past the K12LTSP server? Hmm...for that matter, can you ping the K12LTSP server from the Windows boxes? Are the Windows boxes actually getting a default gateway? Are they getting any IP addresses (169.254.x.x doesn't count) at all? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Sun Sep 2 00:57:32 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:57:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki Error In-Reply-To: <994441ae0708210918r4a117119ka212705217df3264@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708191408x7aaea0fj92ee9a30c582ab93@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0708201059s62ce36a4q7a41f6bcc707e09@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460708210821y1352c7bw7301895a6f9ec231@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0708210918r4a117119ka212705217df3264@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460709011757k414f0f37o7cadca8edb16dc71@mail.gmail.com> Someone just screwed up this entry. Can you please revert it back to the last Aug 22 revision. Mel On 8/21/07, Dan Young wrote: > On 8/21/07, Mel Wade wrote: > > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Technical:ADIntegration > > mod_security experiment gone awry. Should work now. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From nils at breun.nl Sun Sep 2 13:11:17 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:11:17 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP Installer In-Reply-To: <43080f460707261548v4c77cf16j5670ed75dafc42ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460707261548v4c77cf16j5670ed75dafc42ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mel Wade wrote: > Can anyone help be get the smbldap installer to work on CentOS 5? I emailed Matt Oquist (moquist-smbldap at majen.net) a while ago to say I wanted to help adding K12LTSP 5EL (CentOS 5) support to smbldap- installer. I had some questions about the distro_data file, but I haven't heard back from him yet. :o( Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Sep 2 15:44:18 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:44:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP Installer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Mel Wade wrote: > >> Can anyone help be get the smbldap installer to work on CentOS 5? > >I emailed Matt Oquist (moquist-smbldap at majen.net) a while ago to say >I wanted to help adding K12LTSP 5EL (CentOS 5) support to smbldap- >installer. I had some questions about the distro_data file, but I >haven't heard back from him yet. :o( > >Nils Breunese. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see I'll pass on to Matt David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Sep 2 15:47:00 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:47:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] can someone send me the contents of k12linux templates? Message-ID: I don't have a K12LTSP machine handy....can someone send me the content of the k12linux templates directory (it may be something like /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux ) I'm trying to see if I can do some work with the gdm-kdm-purge-users script. Thx. Either post somewhere or simply email it to me off-list....thx David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Sep 2 15:54:31 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:54:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] on second thought...can someone send me /usr/sbin/purge_user? Message-ID: See my previous post....actually the file I'm looking for is /usr/sbin/purge_user can someone archive it and send it to me? I'm looking at modifying it to address an issue I have, but don't have access to a K12lTSP box at the moment. Thx. Either post, send as attachement, or whatever. thx. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From nils at breun.nl Sun Sep 2 16:20:40 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:20:40 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] on second thought...can someone send me /usr/sbin/purge_user? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35EE991F-C9A7-4445-BBA1-1E0B8325CE29@breun.nl> David Trask wrote: > See my previous post....actually the file I'm looking for is > /usr/sbin/purge_user can someone archive it and send it to me? I'm > looking at modifying it to address an issue I have, but don't have > access > to a K12lTSP box at the moment. Thx. Either post, send as > attachement, > or whatever. thx. This is from our K12LTSP 5EL box: ---- #!/bin/bash KILL=/usr/bin/pkill CONFIG="/etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp" # source config file if [ -f $CONFIG ] then . $CONFIG fi # define the minimum uid if [ -f /etc/login.defs ] then UID_MIN="`grep UID_MIN /etc/login.defs | awk '{print $2}'`" fi if [ ! $UID_MIN ] then UID_MIN=500 fi function usage () { echo echo "This script will remove all of a user's processes" echo echo "Usage:" echo " $0 [SANE]" echo echo "If \"SANE\" is given as the second arguement, this script will" echo "read $CONFIG and will only run if PURGE_PROCESSES=YES" echo echo "Also note that this script will refuse to run if the target" echo "user's uid number is less than $UID_MIN. If you need to purge a" echo "system user's processes, please run the $KILL command" echo "directly" echo exit } # Sanity Checks # a username must be specified if [ ! "$1" ] then usage fi # do sanity checks? if [ "$2" = "SANE" ] then if [ "$PURGE_PROCESSES" != "YES" ] then echo echo "PURGE_PROCESSES=YES is not set in /etc/sysconfig/ k12ltsp, aborting" echo exit fi fi # make sure the pkill command exists if [ ! -x $KILL ] then echo echo "ERROR: $KILL not found, aborting" echo exit fi # only work on UIDs greater than 500 (or whatever UID_MIN is set to) UIDNUMBER=`id -u $1 2> /dev/null` if [ ! "$UIDNUMBER" ] then echo echo "ERROR: could not determine the user's UID number, aborting" echo usage fi if [ "$UIDNUMBER" -lt $UID_MIN ] then echo echo "ERROR: user's UID number ($UIDNUMBER) is less than $UID_MIN, aborting" echo usage fi # okay, everything checks out. Let's do the dirty work # first do it nicely $KILL -u $1 # wait a couple seconds sleep 2s # now do it the hard way $KILL -9 -u $1 ---- Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe I'll upgrade on monday..... :( Peter From mel at melwade.com Mon Sep 3 07:07:16 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:07:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Console Display Reset Message-ID: <43080f460709030007r63dd4c74o9b9912f6a210c508@mail.gmail.com> I'm still fighting a problem where the console display gets reset when a client logs out. K12LTSP 5.0EL and it also did it to me on 6.0. Here's my logs from when the problem occured - any ideas would be welcome! Sep 3 00:00:42 library last message repeated 3 times Sep 3 00:02:29 ws217.ltsp init: cannot execute "/bin/startsess" Sep 3 00:02:30 ws217.ltsp last message repeated 9 times Sep 3 00:02:30 ws217.ltsp init: Id "s1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes Sep 3 00:02:30 library gdm[3625]: QUERY_VT request denied: Not authenticated Sep 3 00:02:31 library kernel: gdm-binary[3625]: segfault at 0000000000000078 rip 000000000040ce54 rsp 00007fffbe792a40 error 4 Sep 3 00:02:32 library pcscd: winscard.c:219:SCardConnect() Reader E-Gate 0 0 Not Found Sep 3 00:02:32 library last message repeated 3 times Sep 3 00:02:33 library gdm[4331]: Display :0 is busy. There is another X server running already. Sep 3 00:02:33 library kwin: nss_ldap: reconnected to LDAP server ldap://10.0.4.10 after 1 attempt Sep 3 00:02:33 library kicker: nss_ldap: reconnected to LDAP server ldap://10.0.4.10 after 1 attempt Sep 3 00:02:33 library kaccess: nss_ldap: reconnected to LDAP server ldap://10.0.4.10 after 1 attempt Sep 3 00:02:33 library kdesktop: nss_ldap: reconnected to LDAP server ldap://10.0.4.10 after 1 attempt Sep 3 00:02:36 library gdm[4331]: Display :0 is busy. There is another X server running already. Sep 3 00:02:38 library gdm[3751]: nss_ldap: reconnected to LDAP server ldap://10.0.4.10 after 1 attempt Sep 3 00:02:39 library gpm[3221]: *** info [client.c(137)]: Sep 3 00:02:39 library gpm[3221]: Connecting at fd 6 Sep 3 00:02:46 library gpm[3221]: *** info [client.c(275)]: Sep 3 00:02:46 library gpm[3221]: Request on 6 (console 8) Sep 3 00:02:46 library gpm[3221]: *** info [client.c(284)]: Sep 3 00:02:46 library gpm[3221]: Closing Sep 3 00:02:48 library gdm[4445]: Display :0 is busy. There is another X server running already. Sep 3 00:02:51 library gdm[4445]: Display :0 is busy. There is another X server running already. Sep 3 00:02:53 library gpm[3221]: *** info [client.c(137)]: Sep 3 00:02:53 library gpm[3221]: Connecting at fd 6 Sep 3 00:02:55 library gpm[3221]: *** info [client.c(275)]: Sep 3 00:02:55 library gpm[3221]: Request on 6 (console 8) Sep 3 00:02:55 library gpm[3221]: *** info [client.c(284)]: Sep 3 00:02:55 library gpm[3221]: Closing Sep 3 00:02:55 library gdm[4445]: gdm_server_start: Display :0 busy. Trying another display number. Sep 3 00:03:00 library kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for d0000000,1000000 old: uncachable new: write-combining -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From mel at melwade.com Mon Sep 3 16:37:57 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 09:37:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] System-Auth Message-ID: <43080f460709030937t2c487658y468aa7a62cb6bff0@mail.gmail.com> I've got a problem with my system-auth file in an AD integration - the file is below. Everything works great until I add the pam_mount lines to mount the home folders. I imagine the problem is simple but I'm just not familiar enough with the details of the system-auth to see it. Can someone take a look at this for me? When I add the pam_mount lines the clients disconnect and I get the following error messages in the log: Sep 3 09:18:41 library last message repeated 11 times Sep 3 09:18:53 library gdm[4188]: nss_ldap: reconnected to LDAP server ldap://10.0.4.10 after 1 attempt Sep 3 09:18:55 library gdm[4188]: pam_krb5[4188]: authentication succeeds for 'try' (try at UCASTUDENT.NET) Sep 3 09:18:59 library gdm[4188]: Couldn't authenticate user #%PAM-1.0 #Line above is part of this file ############ #/etc/pam.d/system-auth config file ############ # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required pam_env.so auth optional pam_krb5.so auth optional pam_mount.so try_first_pass auth sufficient pam_unix.so nullok try_first_pass auth requisite pam_succeed_if.so uid >= 500 quiet auth required pam_deny.so account sufficient pam_krb5.so account required pam_unix.so account sufficient pam_succeed_if.so uid < 500 quiet account required pam_permit.so password requisite pam_cracklib.so try_first_pass retry=3 password sufficient pam_unix.so md5 shadow nullok try_first_pass use_authtok password required pam_deny.so session optional pam_keyinit.so revoke session required pam_limits.so session [success=1 default=ignore] pam_succeed_if.so service in crond quiet use_uid session required pam_unix.so session required pam_mkhomedir.so umask=0077 skel=/etc/skel quiet session optional pam_mount.so ## end of system-auth Here's my mount command from the pam_mount.conf file: volume * cifs studenta home /home/&/Desktop/SaveHere uid=& - - -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From moquist at majen.net Mon Sep 3 21:37:00 2007 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 17:37:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] xterminator In-Reply-To: <20070903160022.2BB21735DF@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070903160022.2BB21735DF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20070903213700.GA4056@majen.net> I've written a program named 'xterminator' to provide the functionality of purge_user in edubuntu. This is ready for *testing* now, so if you want to help me test it please add the following two lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: ------------------------------------------ deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/moquist/ubuntu feisty universe deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/moquist/ubuntu feisty universe ------------------------------------------ This package will work fine on gutsy as well; just use these same two lines. The following commands will add those lines to the right file: $ sudo echo deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/moquist/ubuntu feisty universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list $ sudo echo deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/moquist/ubuntu feisty universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list Then: $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get install xterminator xterminator kills ALL of a user's [other] processes when she first starts an X session. After she terminates her X session, there is a short delay and all her remaining processes are killed, and then xterminator exits. All this killing of processes is logged in /var/log/syslog. I would like to add a config file that lets the administrator specify whether the killing should happen only at login, only after logout, or both. But that's not done yet. Note the following: * If you have this on your system, each user can only have one login session at a time. If you have kids sharing usernames & passwords then they'll be kicking each other out. (This is part of why the syslogging is important; it provides more data about what may be happening when your users complain that their computers crash...) * If your users depend on cron jobs, ssh sessions, or any other type of persistent process that runs before, after, or outside a graphical login session, then xterminator will kill those processes, too. In fact, a good addition to the config file might be a list of process names *NOT* to kill, ever. * If the effective UID of an xterminator process is 0 (i.e., if root runs 'xterminator', it exits immediately. Oh...but the message it prints should be to stderr, not stdout. One more thing to fix... * If you execute xterminator on the command line, it will work there, too. i.e., it will kill all your processes except your shell and its ancestors, and after you exit your shell it will clean up all your other processes on the system. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From e.pedragosa at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 01:31:29 2007 From: e.pedragosa at gmail.com (Edwardson) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:31:29 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Blender Suddenly Closes when rendering In-Reply-To: <20070903160022.437D77357A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070903160022.437D77357A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <46DCB571.3080502@gmail.com> Hi, I'm trying out blender under LTSP environment. The program suddenly closes when i render. The clients have 128MB, uses i810 for xserver. The LTSP server has 4Gb RAM. I'm using K12ltsp 5EL. What could be the cause of this problem? Edward From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 02:48:06 2007 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:18:06 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Blender Suddenly Closes when rendering In-Reply-To: <46DCB571.3080502@gmail.com> References: <20070903160022.437D77357A@hormel.redhat.com> <46DCB571.3080502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20709031948k64c5ebfcj83c3243862561606@mail.gmail.com> On 04/09/07, Edwardson wrote: > I'm trying out blender under LTSP environment. The program suddenly > closes when i render. The clients have 128MB, uses i810 for xserver. The > LTSP server has 4Gb RAM. I'm using K12ltsp 5EL. > > What could be the cause of this problem? Edward, Try adding swap space for this terminal and see if it slows down or still crashes. If former then you need more memory at client (although not sure why). You can also run memory monitoring on the server to see if the server side memory is the issue. We have tried blender at clients without problems but cannot say we ran it at anything but minimalistic levels. -- Regards, Sudev Barar See you at 'Freed.in - freedom in technology & software' - India's leading free and open source community event. 28- 29 September 2007, New Delhi. Entry free, on first come basis. Register at http://Freed.in From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Sep 4 07:24:43 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:24:43 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP Installer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46DD083B.2040702@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: >> Mel Wade wrote: >> >>> Can anyone help be get the smbldap installer to work on CentOS 5? >> I emailed Matt Oquist (moquist-smbldap at majen.net) a while ago to say >> I wanted to help adding K12LTSP 5EL (CentOS 5) support to smbldap- >> installer. I had some questions about the distro_data file, but I >> haven't heard back from him yet. :o( >> >> Nils Breunese. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > I'll pass on to Matt > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > I've got CentOS5 running with Samba / OpenLDAP but not actually used Matt's script. I've included below my notes from our Wiki that might allow you to install all the necessary packages then you could run the script to do the configuring. The line for the "Download the rpmforge-release package." will probably need altering as I'm running this on a Xeon machine using the 64bit kernel but it looks like I included a note where to get the other packages from, planning or what :-) There might be some extra bits like apcupsd that you don't need in my notes but it might be a start. If you like anymore info drop me a line Brian ProtectBase You should make sure that you have ProtectBase installed. yum-protectbase is available in the CentOS 5 repositories: yum install yum-protectbase Plugins are enabled in CentOS 5 by default. Edit the file /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add the following line to the [base] and [update] and [centosplus] section: protect=1 Leave the [centosplus] section disabled: enabled=0 Edit /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo and add the following line to the other sections protect=0 Download the rpmforge-release package. wget http://apt.sw.be/redhat/el5/en/x86_64/RPMS.dag/rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.x86_64.rpm (You can find a complete list of rpmforge-release package packages at http://dag.wieers.com/packages/rpmforge-release/ but it is recommended that you use one of the two listed above). Install DAG's GPG key rpm --import http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.dag.txt Verify the package you have downloaded rpm -K rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.*.rpm Security warning: The rpmforge-release package imports GPG keys into your RPM database. As long as you have verified the package and trust Dag then it should be safe. Install the package rpm -i rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.*.rpm This will add a yum repository config file and import the appropriate GPG keys. Test with this command: yum check-update It should output these two lines: Loading "protectbase" plugin ... 76 packages excluded due to repository protections The number above may differ, but there should be several packages shown as being excluded. [edit] Install Extra Packages yum install ntp yum install apcupsd Install needed rpms for Samba3 / Openldap (found from Smbldap installer script) yum install perl-XML-SAX-Base perl-Unicode-String perl-IO-Socket-SSL perl-Crypt-SmbHash perl-Convert-BER Install actual servers & dependants yum install perl-URI perl-Convert-ASN1 perl-libwww-perl yum install perl-XML-NamespaceSupport perl-URI perl-Crypt-SSLeay yum install perl-Digest-SHA1 perl-LDAP yum install gcc glibc-headers yum install openldap-servers openldap-clients yum install samba-common samba yum install apcupsd yum install net-snmp Install Webmin for easy configuration (example below is current version but visit www.webmin.com for latest version) wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin-1.340-1.noarch.rpm rpm -U webmin-1.340-1.noarch.rpm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From genfil at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 10:00:19 2007 From: genfil at gmail.com (Jean Phil) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:00:19 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can not get 4 GB memory Message-ID: I have installed k12ltsp 6.0 64bit on a Pentium D with 4 GB of memory. But according to the system monitor I have only 3.2 GB memory. How can I get all 4 GB ram? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Sep 4 13:23:57 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:23:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can not get 4 GB memory References: Message-ID: I'm going to ask even though you probably already checked. Is the processor 64 bit? Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Jean Phil Sent: Tue 9/4/2007 5:00 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Can not get 4 GB memory I have installed k12ltsp 6.0 64bit on a Pentium D with 4 GB of memory. But according to the system monitor I have only 3.2 GB memory. How can I get all 4 GB ram? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I imagine the problem is simple but I'm just not familiar enough with the details of the system-auth to see it. Can someone take a look at this for me? When I add the pam_mount lines the clients disconnect and I get the following error messages in the log: Sep 3 09:18:41 library last message repeated 11 times Sep 3 09:18:53 library gdm[4188]: nss_ldap: reconnected to LDAP server ldap://10.0.4.10 after 1 attempt Sep 3 09:18:55 library gdm[4188]: pam_krb5[4188]: authentication succeeds for 'try' (try at UCASTUDENT.NET) Sep 3 09:18:59 library gdm[4188]: Couldn't authenticate user #%PAM-1.0 #Line above is part of this file ############ #/etc/pam.d/system-auth config file ############ # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required pam_env.so auth optional pam_krb5.so auth optional pam_mount.so try_first_pass auth sufficient pam_unix.so nullok try_first_pass auth requisite pam_succeed_if.so uid >= 500 quiet auth required pam_deny.so account sufficient pam_krb5.so account required pam_unix.so account sufficient pam_succeed_if.so uid < 500 quiet account required pam_permit.so password requisite pam_cracklib.so try_first_pass retry=3 password sufficient pam_unix.so md5 shadow nullok try_first_pass use_authtok password required pam_deny.so session optional pam_keyinit.so revoke session required pam_limits.so session [success=1 default=ignore] pam_succeed_if.so service in crond quiet use_uid session required pam_unix.so session required pam_mkhomedir.so umask=0077 skel=/etc/skel quiet session optional pam_mount.so ## end of system-auth Here's my mount command from the pam_mount.conf file: volume * cifs studenta home /home/&/Desktop/SaveHere uid=& - - -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Sep 4 14:35:07 2007 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:35:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Google apps In-Reply-To: <46D750A2.70101@deltacfax.com> References: <46D750A2.70101@deltacfax.com> Message-ID: <46DD26CB.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> This one of the very reasons we host all our own email and don't allow "free" email sites from our school. Then there are little chances for this kind of stuff to happen. . . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Tim Born 8/30/2007 6:20 PM >>> Kari Matthews wrote: > GRRRR... I use google apps for our school email. I linked to the > google apps page from our website. I got a call today from the pastor > (it's a Catholic school) saying there is porn on my website, and > please remove it immediately. Turns out, someone clicked on google > apps and then on video. There, in the top 10 list, are a bunch of > porn sites. The principal said pretty gruffly, "We cannot have this > on our site!" It was not on *my* site, of course, but no matter -- in > his head, that is St. Mary's site, and it needed to be removed. > > Ugh ... I wonder if I emailed google if they would take any action so > that places of business (esp schools) could still link to google apps > w/o having that link. I doubt it, but still. > > The problem is not student access in the building, but student / > parent access from home. They do not want there to be any links to > such material from my homepage. > > Any thoughts? > ~kari > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > Kari - If you prefix your outbound URLs with "http://val.deltacfax.com/smallminds.php?" e.g. you can force them to see a reminder when they leave your site. Ugly, admitedly. Small minds sometimes need these things. It's programatic, so you can script the fix across all your pages or use Apache mod_rewrite. If you have a web server that dishes PHP by all means take this source and customize to your hearts content. This was actually kind of fun. Have a nice holiday folks. -tim From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Sep 4 14:41:39 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:41:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] client fails to boot all of the way up Message-ID: <20070904074139.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.1462344a7e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Tue Sep 4 15:29:56 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:29:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] System-Auth In-Reply-To: <43080f460709030937t2c487658y468aa7a62cb6bff0@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460709030937t2c487658y468aa7a62cb6bff0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DD79F4.1030704@bio-chemvalve.com> Mel Wade wrote: > > Here's my mount command from the pam_mount.conf file: > > volume * cifs studenta home /home/&/Desktop/SaveHere uid=& - - > > In my pam_mount.conf file I've got ...uid=&,workgroup=MYDOMAIN - - I recall reading somewhere that leaving out the workgroup option was asking for trouble. -Rob From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Sep 4 15:43:20 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:43:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can not get 4 GB memory In-Reply-To: <20070904133604.M20636@winonacotter.org> References: <20070904133604.M20636@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <46DD7D18.8040504@cmosnetworks.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:00:19 +0800, Jean Phil wrote > >> I have installed k12ltsp 6.0 64bit on a Pentium D with 4 GB of memory. But >> according to the system monitor I have only 3.2 GB memory. How can I get all >> 4 GB ram? >> > > 3.2 GB almost certainly indicates you are running a 32-bit kernel. Try installing the > server kernel and see if that helps. > > Another possibility is that the computer is saddled with a 32-bit motherboard chipset. Anything with, as just one example, an Intel i945 chipset will have this problem. I have a laptop affected by this. The CPU is an Intel Core 2 Duo 64-bit, the kernel is 64-bit (Ubuntu Feisty x86-64), but the chipset has space for only 2^32 memory addresses. If that's what's going on, then that means that, no matter *what* you do, the PCI addressing will suck up your top-end address space, 64-bit kernel or not, due to the chipset's hardware limitation. In my Latitude D620, the BIOS shows two 2GB sticks installed, but only 3.25GB available for use. I spent five hours on the phone with Dell before I finally got them to admit this (the i965 fixes that problem--it addresses 2^33 bytes, or 8GB). Check out your chipset and see which one it is. "lspci" should be quite helpful in that regard. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karisue at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 15:57:05 2007 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:57:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] updating student profiles Message-ID: I just config'd dansguardian. Is there a fast way to add the firefox settings for the proxy to all the student accounts? Also, my dansguardian (3129) port works splendidly, but the squid port (3128) is refusing connections. What can I look at to figure out how to make squid cooperate? I am a noob using webmin and instinct to make it all go. Thanks. ~kari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To me happens in a few distros that I have implemented that fedora and Ubuntu Greetings from ARGENTINA 2007/9/4, rmcdaniel at indata.us : > > This is my second post regarding this issue. I am using HP T5525 clients > in a new lab. I have loaded K12ltsp6 and K12ltsp7 B.5 with the same > results. The client grabs an IP address from the server and begins to boot, > at the point where it displays the NIC information, it times out and then > gets "DHCPD Error" and hangs. I use wireshark to capture packets and see > what is happening. The server keeps handing out DHCP offer packets, but the > client never seems to pick them up and keeps sending DHCP request. > I have seen several similar issues in Google searches without seeing any > real fixes for this problem. Has anyone gotten this to work???? > > > Quickly becoming bald, > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Technology Coordinator > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > "Things which matter most must nev! er be at the mercy of things which > matter least" Goethe > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Sep 4 17:58:15 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:58:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] client fails to boot all of the way up Message-ID: <20070904105815.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.047f392663.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nadavkav at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 18:42:45 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:42:45 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] client fails to boot all of the way up In-Reply-To: <20070904105815.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.047f392663.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070904105815.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.047f392663.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4219988b0709041142q7736ac40i3728d10338d590cb@mail.gmail.com> we had the same issue today, on PIII motherboard. (we have just plugged in as a terminal) in the bios, we disabled the boot from lan or the lan device on the board. and it solved it :-) (we were getting dhcpd error just before X was up) we have a nic with boot-rom that loads the kernel. i hope it will solve your issue :-) On 9/4/07, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > Thanks for the reply Alberto. The server is the only thing providing > DHCP. This issue is a result of the NIC on the T5525 client. I have opened > a case with HP regarding this and also have my account manager pushing this > from a sales end. Maybe I can get HP to release a bios update for this > model that will fix this issue. > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Technology Coordinator > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > "Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which > matter least" Goethe > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] client fails to boot all of the way up > From: "Alberto Castillo" > Date: Tue, September 04, 2007 12:23 pm > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Hi! > Do you turn off the DHCP Server of your ROUTER? > If your ROUTER have on him dhcp server, the thin client takes any path > from this dhcp server. > To me happens in a few distros that I have implemented that fedora and > Ubuntu > Greetings from ARGENTINA > > > 2007/9/4, rmcdaniel at indata.us : > > > > This is my second post regarding this issue. I am using HP T5525 > > clients in a new lab. I have loade! d K12ltsp6 and K12ltsp7 B.5 with > > the same results. The client grabs an IP address from the server and begins > > to boot, at the point where it displays the NIC information, it times out > > and then gets "DHCPD Error" and hangs. I use wireshark to capture packets > > and see what is happening. The server keeps handing out DHCP offer packets, > > but the client never seems to pick them up and keeps sending DHCP request. > > I have seen several similar issues in Google searches without seeing any > > real fixes for this problem. Has anyone gotten this to work???? > > > > > > Quickly becoming bald, > > > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Technology Coordinator > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-1752 x30 > > rmcdaniel at indata! .us > > > > "Things which matter most must nev! er be at th! e mercy of things which > > matter least" Goethe > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN**@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Try installing the > server kernel and see if that helps. > > > Another possibility is that the computer is saddled with a 32-bit > motherboard chipset. Anything with, as just one example, an Intel i945 > chipset will have this problem. I have a laptop affected by this. The CPU > is an Intel Core 2 Duo 64-bit, the kernel is 64-bit (Ubuntu Feisty x86-64), > but the chipset has space for only 2^32 memory addresses. If that's what's > going on, then that means that, no matter *what* you do, the PCI addressing > will suck up your top-end address space, 64-bit kernel or not, due to the > chipset's hardware limitation. In my Latitude D620, the BIOS shows two 2GB > sticks installed, but only 3.25GB available for use. I spent five hours > on the phone with Dell before I finally got them to admit this (the i965 > fixes that problem--it addresses 2^33 bytes, or 8GB). > > Check out your chipset and see which one it is. "lspci" should be quite > helpful in that regard. > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Sep 4 18:45:11 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:45:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] References: <43080f460709030937t2c487658y468aa7a62cb6bff0@mail.gmail.com> <46DD79F4.1030704@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: I've got a printing setup question. I have a vague understanding if cups printing. And I can successfully setup a printer shared by a samba server. But I have a printer in the lab, and it is connected to the server directly with the terminals. I set the IP and subnet to be 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.0 with a gateway of 192.168.0.254 but I cannot seem to ping it. By the way it cannot DHCP or I would. 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I have a vague understanding if cups printing. And I can successfully setup a printer shared by a samba server. But I have a printer in the lab, and it is connected to the server directly with the terminals. I set the IP and subnet to be 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.0 with a gateway of 192.168.0.254 but I cannot seem to ping it. By the way it cannot DHCP or I would. Anythoughts on what to do? I do not want to run a cable just for it. Thanks. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 9/4/07, Kemp, Levi wrote: > > I apologize for not giving this message a subject. > > Levi Kemp > Technology Specialist > Bolivar R-1 Schools > 417-328-8943 > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Kemp, Levi > Sent: Tue 9/4/2007 1:45 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] > > I've got a printing setup question. I have a vague understanding if cups > printing. And I can successfully setup a printer shared by a samba server. > But I have a printer in the lab, and it is connected to the server directly > with the terminals. I set the IP and subnet to be > 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.0 with a gateway of 192.168.0.254 but I cannot > seem to ping it. By the way it cannot DHCP or I would. Anythoughts on what > to do? I do not want to run a cable just for it. Thanks. > > > Levi Kemp > Technology Specialist > Bolivar R-1 Schools > 417-328-8943 > lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 4 20:40:46 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:40:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki Error In-Reply-To: <43080f460709011757k414f0f37o7cadca8edb16dc71@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708191408x7aaea0fj92ee9a30c582ab93@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0708201059s62ce36a4q7a41f6bcc707e09@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460708210821y1352c7bw7301895a6f9ec231@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0708210918r4a117119ka212705217df3264@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460709011757k414f0f37o7cadca8edb16dc71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0709041340p29e33f79k25e047e2e2066e0@mail.gmail.com> Hmm, didn't see it in RecentChanges. I reverted it. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 On 9/1/07, Mel Wade wrote: > Someone just screwed up this entry. Can you please revert it back to > the last Aug 22 revision. > > Mel > > On 8/21/07, Dan Young wrote: > > On 8/21/07, Mel Wade wrote: > > > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Technical:ADIntegration > > > > mod_security experiment gone awry. Should work now. > > > > -- > > Dan Young > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Sep 4 21:53:29 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:53:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 86-key keyboard... Message-ID: <46DDD3D9.4070507@paasda.org> Does anyone recall how to get to the 'keyboard' chooser? I can't find the script anywhere... I need to configure the server to use this APC rackmount keyboard/monitor combo that we got a year ago and just installed this summer =) and found out that the | key didn't work which was devastating to my command-line preference...so after much struggle with APC(them telling me they only manufacture "normal" keyboards)...I got them to divulge that it's an 86-key keyboard(and maybe not so "normal"). In System->Preferences->Keyboard there are no options for 86-key keyboards :( if someone could shed any light on this, it'd make my week! Thanks, --Huck From bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 22:18:30 2007 From: bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com (Bruce Anderson) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:18:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mathematica fonts Message-ID: <6583c9ed0709041518p710ed13cr95cef4e84c82280a@mail.gmail.com> Where do I edit font path for the thin clients? 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Anyone anywhere can link to http://video.google.com/ and click on the top 100 and see stuff you would not want young children to see. If you block video.google.com then you won't have the problem. Teachers can use http://teachertube.com/ for kid-safe videos. Hosting your own email is GREAT and is often a preferred solution but don't blame this on Gmail. One GOOD thing you can do with gmail is create a domain for your school (oregonk12.org) and then allow access to Google apps hosted on your domain. When filtering, you can then deny access to all other google doc URLs but allow access to your own by grey listing or white listing anything with your domain in the URL (oregonk12.org/*). This way your students learn how to use Google Docs and you have admin controls over the accounts and documents without shutting them off from these great web 2.0 tools. ;-) Paul On 9/4/07, Doug Simpson wrote: > This one of the very reasons we host all our own email and don't allow "free" email sites from our school. Then there are little chances for this kind of stuff to happen. . . > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > >>> Tim Born 8/30/2007 6:20 PM >>> > Kari Matthews wrote: > > > GRRRR... I use google apps for our school email. I linked to the > > google apps page from our website. I got a call today from the pastor > > (it's a Catholic school) saying there is porn on my website, and > > please remove it immediately. Turns out, someone clicked on google > > apps and then on video. There, in the top 10 list, are a bunch of > > porn sites. The principal said pretty gruffly, "We cannot have this > > on our site!" It was not on *my* site, of course, but no matter -- in > > his head, that is St. Mary's site, and it needed to be removed. > > > > Ugh ... I wonder if I emailed google if they would take any action so > > that places of business (esp schools) could still link to google apps > > w/o having that link. I doubt it, but still. > > > > The problem is not student access in the building, but student / > > parent access from home. They do not want there to be any links to > > such material from my homepage. > > > > Any thoughts? > > ~kari > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > Kari - > > If you prefix your outbound URLs with > "http://val.deltacfax.com/smallminds.php?" > e.g. href="http://val.deltacfax.com/smallminds.php?http://www.google.com/apps/"Google > Apps > you can force them to see a reminder when they leave your site. > > Ugly, admitedly. Small minds sometimes need these things. > It's programatic, so you can script the fix across all your pages or use > Apache mod_rewrite. > > If you have a web server that dishes PHP by all means take this source > and customize to your hearts content. > This was actually kind of fun. > > Have a nice holiday folks. > > -tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Sep 5 00:58:59 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:58:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] updating student profiles Message-ID: <35759.192.168.254.3.1188953939.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Kari, do a ' locate all.js ' in a terminal it will reside at /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.4/greprefs/all.js scroll about half way down and edit the lines: pref(network.proxy.http and..pref( network.proxy.http_port add your server's ip address on the first line,between the ' ' on the second line add 8080 # your proxy port, between the ' ' This will show for every user. downside,, if they find the settings in the prefs of Firefox they can take these out...next login they will reappear though. There is also a way to " gray out" certain boxes in Firefox. i can not remember what the editor is that does this,,,though..sorry:(. Ok for DG add the DG plugin to Webmin,,, you'll figure things out lots quicker Via Webmin. in the config for DG you should ,, port 8080 as your " filter port" port 3128 as your "proxy port" ,, in the config file in the DG Webmin plugin, It should now work with these values. Hope this helps a little.. Take Care Barry Cisna From einfeldt at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 01:06:01 2007 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:06:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Google apps In-Reply-To: <508f42dc0709041642p5ca86e72s504645c0649f5aa3@mail.gmail.com> References: <46D750A2.70101@deltacfax.com> <46DD26CB.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <508f42dc0709041642p5ca86e72s504645c0649f5aa3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b5781040709041806i13b2fa52p8b25065bc04e429b@mail.gmail.com> hi Paul, great to hear from you again. I would love to speak with you about what I am doing with the Digital Tipping Point film, and with FOSS at a school near my home. And it was all inspired by you, Paul ! More comments in line... On 9/4/07, Paul Nelson wrote: > > Hosting your own email is GREAT and is often a preferred solution but > don't blame this on Gmail. One GOOD thing you can do with gmail is > create a domain for your school (oregonk12.org) I completely agree with Paul on this point. Please see our school's Google Partnerpage: http://partnerpage.google.com/sfbayacademy.org It is a great wedge tool for slowly and painlessly separating a school from Microsoft solutions. Google apps is the leading edge of the wedge for FOSS. First you start swapping in Google Docs here and there for Microsoft Office. Then you start swapping in Gmail with the Google Calendar program for Outlook; and before you know it, you are down to almost no Microsoft solutions at all. Then the next step is global Linux. heh. and then allow access > to Google apps hosted on your domain. When filtering, you can then > deny access to all other google doc URLs but allow access to your own > by grey listing or white listing anything with your domain in the URL > (oregonk12.org/*). What are you using for filtering, Paul? This way your students learn how to use Google Docs > and you have admin controls That is one of the most awesome things about Google Docs and the Google Partner gmail program -- control over your email, with a very simple user interface that is easy for the teachers and admins to learn. Oh, and one important thing that Paul didn't mention -- collaboration!!! That is a hugely popular feature of gmail and Google docs with the teachers and the students and their parents. Anyone who is invited to a document can collaborate. So the students are simply required to invite teachers and parents to every document that they create, or risk losing their on-line privileges completely. Last year, one teacher had his students do a slide show Google docs. The kids got experience standing up in front of class and presenting, and they also planned their presos, of course, and did the formatting and photos, etc. It was awesome. -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timlegge at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 01:23:05 2007 From: timlegge at gmail.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:23:05 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Google apps In-Reply-To: <508f42dc0709041642p5ca86e72s504645c0649f5aa3@mail.gmail.com> References: <46D750A2.70101@deltacfax.com> <46DD26CB.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <508f42dc0709041642p5ca86e72s504645c0649f5aa3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/4/07, Paul Nelson wrote: > Hosting your own email is GREAT and is often a preferred solution but > don't blame this on Gmail. One GOOD thing you can do with gmail is > create a domain for your school (oregonk12.org) and then allow access > to Google apps hosted on your domain. When filtering, you can then > deny access to all other google doc URLs but allow access to your own > by grey listing or white listing anything with your domain in the URL > (oregonk12.org/*). This way your students learn how to use Google Docs > and you have admin controls over the accounts and documents without > shutting them off from these great web 2.0 tools. I agree. Gmail through Google Apps has been the greatest thing to occur for our users since we switched to Linux. The benefits of having Google look after our email have been numerous: 1) We no longer use evolution (sorry but it can be painful to use and support) 2) We are able to use our own domain name 3) We did not have to setup a mail server 4) I did not have to figure out how to provide web mail access Our management type people love being able to check email from home and on the road. Granted all of this is possible with any number of fine software projects but as the volunteer administrator at a Boys and Girls Club I was looking to reduce complexity and Google has helped me do that. It gave me email, interoffice chat, some great calendar options and access to the other Google Apps (Including the soon to be announced Google Wiki I believe). Tim From genfil at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 08:11:49 2007 From: genfil at gmail.com (Jean Phil) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:11:49 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can not get 4 GB memory Message-ID: I check our motherboard. Sorry I not really that knowledge about motherboards. We have Intel d945gnt with a Intel(r) 945G Express Chipset and ECS 945p-a with Intel 945Pchipset. Is Intel(r) 945G Express Chipset and Intel 945Pchipset the same family with i945? Are both chipset 32 bit? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dean at mumby.co.za Wed Sep 5 06:49:02 2007 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:49:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] client fails to boot all of the way up In-Reply-To: <20070904074139.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.1462344a7e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070904074139.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.1462344a7e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1188974942.9861.1.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 07:41 -0700, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > This is my second post regarding this issue. I am using HP T5525 > clients in a new lab. I have loaded K12ltsp6 and K12ltsp7 B.5 with > the same results. The client grabs an IP address from the server and > begins to boot, at the point where it displays the NIC information, it > times out and then gets "DHCPD Error" and hangs. I use wireshark to > capture packets and see what is happening. The server keeps handing > out DHCP offer packets, but the client never seems to pick them up and > keeps sending DHCP request. > I have seen several similar issues in Google searches without seeing > any real fixes for this problem. Has anyone gotten this to work???? > I use a variety of hp thin clients so i cant believe the problem is with them ,have you tried running a crossover cable directly between the server and the client ? > > Quickly becoming bald, > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Technology Coordinator > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > ?Things which matter most must nev! er be at the mercy of things which > matter least? Goethe > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Sep 5 12:53:43 2007 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:53:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 86-key keyboard... In-Reply-To: <46DDD3D9.4070507@paasda.org> References: <46DDD3D9.4070507@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46DE6087.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Speaking of commandline preference. . . I HATE that there are very few (or less even. . .) commandline utilities for doing the simple stuff like adding users, changing passwords and setting permissions. . . in Novell. . . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Huck 9/4/2007 4:53 PM >>> Does anyone recall how to get to the 'keyboard' chooser? I can't find the script anywhere... I need to configure the server to use this APC rackmount keyboard/monitor combo that we got a year ago and just installed this summer =) and found out that the | key didn't work which was devastating to my command-line preference...so after much struggle with APC(them telling me they only manufacture "normal" keyboards)...I got them to divulge that it's an 86-key keyboard(and maybe not so "normal"). In System->Preferences->Keyboard there are no options for 86-key keyboards :( if someone could shed any light on this, it'd make my week! Thanks, --Huck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jmaier at icsptk.org Wed Sep 5 12:56:06 2007 From: jmaier at icsptk.org (Jacob Maier) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:56:06 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] short cut key in photoshop not working Message-ID: <46DEA766.40009@icsptk.org> Hi everyone. I have my lab up and running K12LTSP V 6. The yearbook class is using photoshop under crossover office ( I know I should get them to switch to gimp but they won't ). But the keyboard short cut do not seem to work. I am not sure what to do? A quick short has revealed nothing helpful. So I am open to any suggestions. I am assuming that it is something minor in a config file somewhere. Thanks in advance. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Sep 5 13:36:15 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:36:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] client fails to boot all of the way up Message-ID: <20070905063615.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.77272590a6.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 14:39:29 2007 From: bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com (Bruce Anderson) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:39:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mathematica fonts In-Reply-To: <46DDEADF.7000505@dcresearch.com> References: <6583c9ed0709041518p710ed13cr95cef4e84c82280a@mail.gmail.com> <46DDEADF.7000505@dcresearch.com> Message-ID: <6583c9ed0709050739v5a4dd7eel2a8fb7be5cce3b43@mail.gmail.com> I found no font in /etc/X11/xorg.conf xset q => Font Path: /home/bruce/.gnome2/share/cursor-fonts,/usr/share/fonts/misc/,/usr/share/fonts/Type1/,/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/,/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/,/home/bruce/.gnome2/share/fonts It looks like most of the client fonts come from /usr/share/fonts, but not all. I tried xset fp+ /usr/local/Wolfram/Mathematica/6.0/SystemFiles/Fots/Type1; xset fp rehash but it didn't take. On 9/4/07, Joe Baker wrote: > > Maybe this will give you a clue: > grep font /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > You could run a font server also. > -Joe Baker > > Bruce Anderson wrote: > > Where do I edit font path for the thin clients? > > It is OK on the server, but not the clients. > > -- > > Bruce Anderson > > Westmont High School, Room 44 > > 4805 Westmont Avenue > > Campbell, CA 95008 > > (408)378-1500 x6244 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Bruce Anderson Westmont High School, Room 44 4805 Westmont Avenue Campbell, CA 95008 (408)378-1500 x6244 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mel On 9/5/07, JohnG wrote: > > > I was curious what the changes are from 5.0.0EL to 5.0.1EL; are they just > bug fixes? Also do either of these releases have the latest LTSP on them > once all the updates are applied? Thanks so much. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Sep 5 21:11:42 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:11:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v5.0 ATI Rage Xl video driver probs Message-ID: <56742.192.168.254.3.1189026702.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello List, Trying to update an old Tyan Tiger 200T server with the onboard video ATI Rage XL chip with K12LTSP v5.0. Version 4.0 of K12LTSP set this up fine,actually ID'ing it as a ATI Mach64 chip,but when trying to update the default install of K12LTSP v5.0 ( & 6.0), When it initializes the video card in the install it merley gets to an "X" with black background ,& setup Id's the video chip as ATI Rage XL ( which it actually is.) I've Googled but have not found a real workaround. Has anyone here run into this snafoo? Even if i try and do a text install/update after the video card/chip is ID'd setup goes no further:( If I try and go back to my old K12LTSP v4.x.x Cd's ,like I say the video is ID'd as ATI Mach64 and the GUI portion of setup comes up fine( to start the install process)? BTW : I Have tried NFS & CD install and all with same results. Thanks, Barry Cisna westcentral school From mel at melwade.com Wed Sep 5 22:07:46 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:07:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki Problems Message-ID: <43080f460709051507k8e8e6cetb753206bf94d8efd@mail.gmail.com> Someone's screwed up the K12 LTSP Wiki again.... -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Sep 5 22:11:47 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:11:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki Problems In-Reply-To: <43080f460709051507k8e8e6cetb753206bf94d8efd@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460709051507k8e8e6cetb753206bf94d8efd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0709051511q69b2f377xbc28c75ba2b6ada5@mail.gmail.com> Page? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 On 9/5/07, Mel Wade wrote: > Someone's screwed up the K12 LTSP Wiki again.... > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mel at melwade.com Wed Sep 5 22:46:00 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:46:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki Problems In-Reply-To: <994441ae0709051511q69b2f377xbc28c75ba2b6ada5@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460709051507k8e8e6cetb753206bf94d8efd@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0709051511q69b2f377xbc28c75ba2b6ada5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460709051546o5ff34137v488ecddd3245d8be@mail.gmail.com> http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Software http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical to name a couple.... On 9/5/07, Dan Young wrote: > Page? > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > On 9/5/07, Mel Wade wrote: > > Someone's screwed up the K12 LTSP Wiki again.... > > > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > > BF Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Sep 5 23:24:55 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:24:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki Problems In-Reply-To: <43080f460709051546o5ff34137v488ecddd3245d8be@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460709051507k8e8e6cetb753206bf94d8efd@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0709051511q69b2f377xbc28c75ba2b6ada5@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460709051546o5ff34137v488ecddd3245d8be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0709051624x4bea4c3cub13d275d3011db84@mail.gmail.com> On 9/5/07, Mel Wade wrote: > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Software > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical > > to name a couple.... Thanks; fixed those, plus a couple of others. Will double-check the ReCAPTCHA setup. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From peter at scheie.homedns.org Thu Sep 6 00:26:26 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:26:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Differences between 5.0.0EL and 5.0.1EL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46DF4932.90002@scheie.homedns.org> The 5.x-EL version uses LTSP 4.2, which is not the latest--LTSP 5.0 is the latest--but I would argue 4.2 is the more mature at this time. 5.0 is interesting from a "what's in the future" standpoint, as that's where the developers are working. While it holds great promise, from a user/student/teacher standpoint, I think 4.2 is, today, the better choice: 5.0 is slower to boot than 4.2, tends to require faster client hardware, doesn't support fl_teachertool (yet--Robert's working on it), etc. Edubuntu is using LTSP 5. If you're interested, have a look at it. Peter JohnG wrote: > I was curious what the changes are from 5.0.0EL to 5.0.1EL; are they > just bug fixes? Also do either of these releases have the latest LTSP on > them once all the updates are applied? Thanks so much. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From genfil at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 01:50:58 2007 From: genfil at gmail.com (Jean Phil) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:50:58 -0700 Subject: Fwd: [K12OSN] Can not get 4 GB memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jean Phil Date: Sep 5, 2007 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Can not get 4 GB memory To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: microman at cmosnetworks.com I check our motherboard. Sorry I not really that knowledge about motherboards. We have Intel d945gnt with a Intel(r) 945G Express Chipset and ECS 945p-a with Intel 945Pchipset. Is Intel(r) 945G Express Chipset and Intel 945Pchipset the same family with i945? Are both chipset 32 bit? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Thu Sep 6 11:01:02 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:01:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v5.0 ATI Rage Xl video driver probs In-Reply-To: <56742.192.168.254.3.1189026702.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <56742.192.168.254.3.1189026702.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <46DFDDEE.8090605@bio-chemvalve.com> I found this in a very sloppily-formatted archive site. Try "linux noprobe text" at the boot prompt. >From that site: Problem is the CentOS installation routine does not like the onboard ATI Rage XL video card! Two options to get around this problem! 1) Use Text mode to do install rather than GUI mode 2) Disable onboard video in BIOS and install a PCI video card (anykind except ATI) from your surplus junk box! Do the CentOS install and when it is done remove the PCI video card! Restore BIOS to use onboard video. The CentOS operating system does not care about the ATI Rage XL card and it works fine. Just the install probram chokes on it!!! Hope this helps; Klaus Hagel City of Tacoma, WA CCongdon 06-26-06 20:21 To add information... I have the same problem. This may possibly confirm the suggestion about ATI RageXL System: Compaq DL360 G2 Dual P3-S 1.266 GHz 1GB RAM HP/Compaq Smart Array 5i RAID Controller 2x 36.4 GB Ultra-3 Drives (Hardware RAID1) Using CentOS x86 4.3 CD set. System locks up at 'formatting /boot file system' Anaconda reports that the on-board video card is an ATI RageXL. Jodious 09-26-06 21:43 I may have found an easy work around for this issue. The ATI seems to be the cause, but if you run the installer with "linux noprobe text" it should install just fine. Dell PowerEdge 600SC Intel Pentium 4 2.4Ghz 2 x Dell 512MB 2 x 80Gb ATA Seagate Drives CERC ATA RAID Card (Not Used) Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Trying to update an old Tyan Tiger 200T server with the onboard video ATI > Rage XL chip with K12LTSP v5.0. Version 4.0 of K12LTSP set this up > fine,actually ID'ing it as a ATI Mach64 chip,but when trying to update the > default install of K12LTSP v5.0 ( & 6.0), When it initializes the video > card in the install it merley gets to an "X" with black background ,& > setup Id's the video chip as ATI Rage XL ( which it actually is.) I've > Googled but have not found a real workaround. Has anyone here run into > this snafoo? > Even if i try and do a text install/update after the video card/chip is > ID'd setup goes no further:( > If I try and go back to my old K12LTSP v4.x.x Cd's ,like I say the video > is ID'd as ATI Mach64 and the GUI portion of setup comes up fine( to start > the install process)? BTW : I Have tried NFS & CD install and all with > same results. > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From atul.bairagi at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 12:34:54 2007 From: atul.bairagi at gmail.com (atul bairagi) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 05:34:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] network printer problem Message-ID: we have printer hp leaser 1018, it installed on rhel 4 as update 4 it is shareable, but we cannot get it from other systems. can any one told me the steps how to set it in the network. thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For what it's worth, the printer GUI on CentOS 5 is way, way better than the one on CentOS 4. -Rob atul bairagi wrote: > we have printer hp leaser 1018, it installed on rhel 4 as update 4 it is > shareable, but we cannot get it from other systems. can any one told me the > steps how to set it in the network. > > > thanks > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Sep 6 15:04:51 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:04:51 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [K12OSN] Can not get 4 GB memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E01713.6050408@cmosnetworks.com> Jean Phil wrote: > I check our motherboard. Sorry I not really that knowledge about > motherboards. We have Intel d945gnt with a Intel? 945G Express > Chipset and ECS 945p-a with Intel 945P > > chipset. > Is Intel? 945G Express Chipset and Intel 945P > > chipset the same family with i945? Are both chipset 32 bit? I'm afraid they are. The entire 945 series is 32-bit, which makes it unsuitable for memory configurations beyond 3GB, sometimes 3.25GB. The only difference between the 945G and the 945P is that the 945G contains the integrated graphics. The 945P is used when someone wants to sell you, say, ATI or nVidia cards bundled w/ the box (e. g. higher-end laptops). Here's a link to Intel's Web site with the docs for the entire 945 family: http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-020683.htm And here's the 945p-specific link (you can get there from the first link): http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/945p/index.htm I find it rather amazing, really, that Intel would so hobble a supposedly "modern" chipset that supports something so relatively new as the PCI-Express bus. Go figure.... --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Sep 6 15:13:53 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:13:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird network issue? (RESOLVED) In-Reply-To: <46D6E8A3.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <46D6E493.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <46D72CD5.20301@cmosnetworks.com> <46D6E8A3.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <46DFD273.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Just to let everyone know, i resolved this issue by disabling use local apps. >>> "Daniel Kuecker" 08/30/07 3:58 PM >>> yes. i have added 24 new thing clients to one, and replaced 10 on the other. I just thought it was weird both had the same problem when they were at different locations. >>> "Terrell Prud? Jr." 08/30/07 3:47 PM >>> Have there been *any* changes whatsoever in the network infrastructure? Even small ones? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Daniel Kuecker wrote: > Hello World! > > I am having a weird problem. I have two servers running our HS and K8 > schools. One was running K12ltsp5 and the other k12ltsp6. everything was > running fine last school year. this year has started and i have noticed > these issues. randomly some thin clients will boot off the network, but > as soon as it starts the X session, all I get is a grey background with > an cursor. I notice that when this happens, the network traffic on the > thin client is blinking constantly. I will reboot the thin client and > sometimes it will com up normally, sometimes it may take 4 or 5 reboots. > then once a user logs in and then back out, alot of the time the screen > scrambles and the thin clients lock up. i reloaded that server with > edubuntu, the problem seems to have gone away. However, now i noticed > the k12ltsp6 server is doing the same thing. both of these servers were > there own seperate network with the second nic connected to the main > network. Does anyone have any ideas? which log files should i look at. i > do notice i get alot of errors "ws217.ltsp ypbind[1029]: broadcast: RPC: > Timed out." > Thanks, > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org Thu Sep 6 18:27:30 2007 From: sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org (Joshua Sommermeyer) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:27:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office In-Reply-To: <43080f460708311713x11e0c627xd5c019c07f391129@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708310804n29ab3234hd02a2bf019458268@mail.gmail.com><46D8310B.7050802@McQuil.com><43080f460708310857k638d03achadafa453bfeded76@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460708311713x11e0c627xd5c019c07f391129@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E11525CB4@ex01.crusaders.local> Does anyone have a good curriculum/book/online resource they are using to teach Open Office to high school students? That you'd be willing to share? Thanks for your help! _________________________________________ Joshua D. Sommermeyer Director of Technology Concordia Lutheran High School (o) 281.351.2547 (f) 281.255.8806 www.concordiacrusaders.org sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org ? +++Building Lives of Excellence upon the Foundation of Christ. +++ ? From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Thu Sep 6 18:48:29 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:48:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Looking for a consultant in northern NJ Message-ID: <46E04B7D.7020705@bio-chemvalve.com> I'm looking for an IT consultant who can service a company in Boonton, NJ (near Morristown). On-site visits are a requirement. I don't need a big company, but a one-man show might not be sufficient. Here are some details: There are approx. 20 Windows users, and all the typical problems associated with Windows and users. We need someone who is accessible by phone, and who can make on-site visits. You can expect to field the usual boring problems like "my email doesn't work", "my printer doesn't work", etc. We are slowly but surely migrating our systems to Linux, so you'll need to be proficient in various Linux systems and in making them interact with Windows systems. We currently use K12LTSP 5.0EL, BackupPC on Debian Etch, MoinMoin on CentOS 4, Ubuntu on a couple desktops. You'll need to be able to make server hardware suggestions and/or purchases. I could also use advice on how to overcome some additional migration hurdles, such as a Windows-only inventory management system. We currently use Active Directory and Exchange, so you'll need to be familiar with those systems. Please email me off list if interested. -Rob From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Sep 6 18:57:52 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:57:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office In-Reply-To: <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E11525CB4@ex01.crusaders.local> References: <43080f460708310804n29ab3234hd02a2bf019458268@mail.gmail.com><46D8310B.7050802@McQuil.com><43080f460708310857k638d03achadafa453bfeded76@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460708311713x11e0c627xd5c019c07f391129@mail.gmail.com> <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E11525CB4@ex01.crusaders.local> Message-ID: <46E04DB0.2060102@paasda.org> ISBN: well..nevermind I can't find out.. http://www.getopenoffice.org/ there is Writer/Calc/Presenter all comprehensive...and then a single big book that rolls all three into one. --Huck Joshua Sommermeyer wrote: > Does anyone have a good curriculum/book/online resource they are using to teach Open Office to high school students? That you'd be willing to share? > > Thanks for your help! > > _________________________________________ > Joshua D. Sommermeyer > Director of Technology > Concordia Lutheran High School > (o) 281.351.2547 > (f) 281.255.8806 > www.concordiacrusaders.org > sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org > > +++Building Lives of Excellence upon the Foundation of Christ. +++ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From accessys at smart.net Thu Sep 6 19:30:55 2007 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office In-Reply-To: <46E04DB0.2060102@paasda.org> References: <43080f460708310804n29ab3234hd02a2bf019458268@mail.gmail.com><46D8310B.7050802@McQuil.com><43080f460708310857k638d03achadafa453bfeded76@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460708311713x11e0c627xd5c019c07f391129@mail.gmail.com> <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E11525CB4@ex01.crusaders.local> <46E04DB0.2060102@paasda.org> Message-ID: I have the OO.o 1.0 version and it is about as good a software book as I have seen anywhere. Bob On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Huck wrote: > ISBN: well..nevermind I can't find out.. > > http://www.getopenoffice.org/ > > there is Writer/Calc/Presenter all comprehensive...and then a single big > book that rolls all three into one. > > --Huck > > Joshua Sommermeyer wrote: > > Does anyone have a good curriculum/book/online resource they are using to teach Open Office to high school students? That you'd be willing to share? > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > _________________________________________ > > Joshua D. Sommermeyer > > Director of Technology > > Concordia Lutheran High School > > (o) 281.351.2547 > > (f) 281.255.8806 > > www.concordiacrusaders.org > > sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org > > > > +++Building Lives of Excellence upon the Foundation of Christ. +++ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jjjggg at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 20:07:50 2007 From: jjjggg at hotmail.com (JohnG) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:07:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Differences between 5.0.0EL and 5.0.1EL References: <46DF4932.90002@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: Great, thanks for the info. Another quick question, is there any difference in the education packages installed on 5.x-EL vs 6.0.0 (assuming both are fully updated)? > The 5.x-EL version uses LTSP 4.2, which is not the latest--LTSP 5.0 is the > latest--but I would argue 4.2 is the more mature at this time. 5.0 is > interesting from a "what's in the future" standpoint, as that's where the > developers are working. While it holds great promise, from a > user/student/teacher standpoint, I think 4.2 is, today, the better choice: > 5.0 is slower to boot than 4.2, tends to require faster client hardware, > doesn't support fl_teachertool (yet--Robert's working on it), etc. > Edubuntu is using LTSP 5. If you're interested, have a look at it. > > Peter > > JohnG wrote: >> I was curious what the changes are from 5.0.0EL to 5.0.1EL; are they just >> bug fixes? Also do either of these releases have the latest LTSP on them >> once all the updates are applied? Thanks so much. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mel at melwade.com Thu Sep 6 20:58:54 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:58:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and Client Booting Message-ID: <43080f460709061358j7dbd6f4bkb053599c1a5c5b8a@mail.gmail.com> I've got one server set up successfully and now I'm working on two more. The other two are not standard setups as they only have 1 nic each and will both be on the same network. I'm attempting to use a third server (non-ltsp) as DHCP for the entire network, including those two servers. When the client boots, I'm getting a "FTFP too many packages" error. I'm sure the problem is in my dhcp.conf file but I'm not sure exactly where. If anyone can look this over an give some guidance, I would be grateful. File is below. LSTP is running K12LTSP 5.01EL DHCP is running Centos 4.5 on a VMware server. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com # This is a modified copy of the file from the the K12LSTP server. # Server 1: BoysDorm - 10.0.7.254 # Test Client: Boys001 - 10.0.6.189 # # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. # authoritative; default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.252.0; option broadcast-address 10.0.7.255; option routers 10.0.4.1; option domain-name-servers 10.0.4.10; next-server 10.0.7.254; option domain-name "ucastudent.net"; #option root-path "10.0.7.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; option option-221 code 221 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 10.0.4.0 netmask 255.255.252.0 { range dynamic-bootp 10.0.7.1 10.0.7.150; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 10.0.7.254; # trick from Peter Rundle # newer Macs if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # really old iMacs elsif substring (option option-221, 0, 5) = "Apple" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # Intel PXE elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } # default to an i386 BOOTP image else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { option root-path "10.0.7.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; } else { option root-path "10.0.7.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; } } } # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 10.0.4.11; host Boys001 { hardware ethernet 00:C0:4F:4C:95:56; fixed-address 10.0.6.189; option root-path "10.0.7.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; next-server boysdorm; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; #option option-129 "NIC=PXEClient"; } host ws002 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; fixed-address 192.168.0.2; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=ne"; } host ws003 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:28:B2; fixed-address 192.168.0.3; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } # Apple Specific Settings # host ws007 { # hardware ethernet 00:30:65:69:23:60; # fixed-address 192.168.0.4; # option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; # filename "yaboot"; # option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; # } } From graham at theingots.org.nz Thu Sep 6 23:04:06 2007 From: graham at theingots.org.nz (Graham) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:04:06 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office In-Reply-To: <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E11525CB4@ex01.crusaders.local> References: <43080f460708310804n29ab3234hd02a2bf019458268@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460708311713x11e0c627xd5c019c07f391129@mail.gmail.com> <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E11525CB4@ex01.crusaders.local> Message-ID: <200709071104.06256.graham@theingots.org.nz> On Friday 07 September 2007 06:27, Joshua Sommermeyer wrote: > Does anyone have a good curriculum/book/online resource they are using to > teach Open Office to high school students? That you'd be willing to share? The best up-to-date documentation is available from http://www.oooauthors.org They have the manuals in editable format (*.odt) Online resources, certification and assessment materials can be had from http://www.theingots.org. Both OOoAuthors and INGOTs material are available under creative commons. Cheers -- Graham Lauder, INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html From mel at melwade.com Thu Sep 6 23:55:39 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:55:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office In-Reply-To: <200709071104.06256.graham@theingots.org.nz> References: <43080f460708310804n29ab3234hd02a2bf019458268@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460708311713x11e0c627xd5c019c07f391129@mail.gmail.com> <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E11525CB4@ex01.crusaders.local> <200709071104.06256.graham@theingots.org.nz> Message-ID: <43080f460709061655l6c6614cbh7da321ecff4a67ff@mail.gmail.com> I like classroom material that is project based. Unfortunately I haven't found anything like this for Open Office. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From graham at theingots.org.nz Fri Sep 7 02:56:18 2007 From: graham at theingots.org.nz (Graham) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:56:18 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office In-Reply-To: <43080f460709061655l6c6614cbh7da321ecff4a67ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460708310804n29ab3234hd02a2bf019458268@mail.gmail.com> <200709071104.06256.graham@theingots.org.nz> <43080f460709061655l6c6614cbh7da321ecff4a67ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709071456.18239.graham@theingots.org.nz> On Friday 07 September 2007 11:55, Mel Wade wrote: > I like classroom material that is project based. Unfortunately I > haven't found anything like this for Open Office. Agreed, however, OOoAuthors has an Education repository (http://oooauthors.org/en/authors/education/) Where people are encouraged to upload Classroom material they have created for the benefit of others under Creative Commons. I would encourage people to contribute. As the old OpenSource saying goes, "When there's an itch, scratch it." :) Cheers -- Graham Lauder, INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html From mel at melwade.com Fri Sep 7 04:00:38 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:00:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation Message-ID: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> Anyone know where I can find DHCP documentation specific to K12LSTP client booting? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Sep 7 05:01:50 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:01:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E0DB3E.2000402@cmosnetworks.com> Remember that K12LTSP actually does use LTSP, and furthermore, Eric makes *minimal* changes...and I mean *minimal*. Really--it's nearly bone-stock from upstream LTSP. The file locations are, with the exception of /etc/dhcpd.conf, identical (IIRC, he renames it something like /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf or something like that). By contrast, Edubuntu tends to move the LTSP files into quite different locations (under /usr and such) than upstream LTSP uses. Drives me nuts whenever I want to run ltspadmin. Any time I use K12LTSP, I just use the LTSP docs, and I have yet to go wrong. Anything in particular you're looking to figure out? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Mel Wade wrote: > Anyone know where I can find DHCP documentation specific to K12LSTP > client booting? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Fri Sep 7 05:15:49 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:15:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <46E0DB3E.2000402@cmosnetworks.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <46E0DB3E.2000402@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <43080f460709062215s542410d2y4a471ba78e017bad@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to use a third server as DHCP to direct specific clients to one of two other LTSP servers. On 9/6/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > Remember that K12LTSP actually does use LTSP, and furthermore, Eric makes > *minimal* changes...and I mean *minimal*. Really--it's nearly bone-stock > from upstream LTSP. The file locations are, with the exception of > /etc/dhcpd.conf, identical (IIRC, he renames it something like > /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf or something like that). By contrast, Edubuntu > tends to move the LTSP files into quite different locations (under /usr and > such) than upstream LTSP uses. Drives me nuts whenever I want to run > ltspadmin. > > Any time I use K12LTSP, I just use the LTSP docs, and I have yet to go > wrong. > > Anything in particular you're looking to figure out? > > --TP > > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! > > > Mel Wade wrote: > Anyone know where I can find DHCP documentation specific to K12LSTP > client booting? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Sep 7 05:23:00 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:23:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <43080f460709062215s542410d2y4a471ba78e017bad@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <46E0DB3E.2000402@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062215s542410d2y4a471ba78e017bad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E0E034.1080702@cmosnetworks.com> There are a couple of ways I can think of to do this: do it by subnet, or do it by individual DHCP reservation. The first method scales for many clients, but your network infrastructure really should support VLAN's. The second method is very specific, but I find maintenance to be a pain if you have to swap NIC's. A few more pieces of info would help: 1.) How many clients are we talking about directing to each LTSP server? 2.) What are the IP subnets being used on the LTSP client segment(s) of each LTSP server? 3.) Are you using a two-NIC (classical) or one-NIC LTSP setup? --TP Mel Wade wrote: > I'm trying to use a third server as DHCP to direct specific clients to > one of two other LTSP servers. > > On 9/6/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > >> Remember that K12LTSP actually does use LTSP, and furthermore, Eric makes >> *minimal* changes...and I mean *minimal*. Really--it's nearly bone-stock >> from upstream LTSP. The file locations are, with the exception of >> /etc/dhcpd.conf, identical (IIRC, he renames it something like >> /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf or something like that). By contrast, Edubuntu >> tends to move the LTSP files into quite different locations (under /usr and >> such) than upstream LTSP uses. Drives me nuts whenever I want to run >> ltspadmin. >> >> Any time I use K12LTSP, I just use the LTSP docs, and I have yet to go >> wrong. >> >> Anything in particular you're looking to figure out? >> >> --TP >> >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! >> >> >> Mel Wade wrote: >> Anyone know where I can find DHCP documentation specific to K12LSTP >> client booting? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Fri Sep 7 05:38:43 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:38:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <46E0E034.1080702@cmosnetworks.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <46E0DB3E.2000402@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062215s542410d2y4a471ba78e017bad@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E034.1080702@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <43080f460709062238k55c286b5nbfadb1303fa56063@mail.gmail.com> 1. About 50 each. 2. 10.0.4.0/22 - all clients 3. one-NIC setup On 9/6/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > There are a couple of ways I can think of to do this: do it by subnet, or > do it by individual DHCP reservation. The first method scales for many > clients, but your network infrastructure really should support VLAN's. The > second method is very specific, but I find maintenance to be a pain if you > have to swap NIC's. > > A few more pieces of info would help: > > 1.) How many clients are we talking about directing to each LTSP server? > > 2.) What are the IP subnets being used on the LTSP client segment(s) of > each LTSP server? > > 3.) Are you using a two-NIC (classical) or one-NIC LTSP setup? > > --TP > > > > Mel Wade wrote: > I'm trying to use a third server as DHCP to direct specific clients to > one of two other LTSP servers. > > On 9/6/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > > Remember that K12LTSP actually does use LTSP, and furthermore, Eric makes > *minimal* changes...and I mean *minimal*. Really--it's nearly bone-stock > from upstream LTSP. The file locations are, with the exception of > /etc/dhcpd.conf, identical (IIRC, he renames it something like > /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf or something like that). By contrast, Edubuntu > tends to move the LTSP files into quite different locations (under /usr and > such) than upstream LTSP uses. Drives me nuts whenever I want to run > ltspadmin. > > Any time I use K12LTSP, I just use the LTSP docs, and I have yet to go > wrong. > > Anything in particular you're looking to figure out? > > --TP > > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! > > > Mel Wade wrote: > Anyone know where I can find DHCP documentation specific to K12LSTP > client booting? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri Sep 7 12:56:30 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:56:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office In-Reply-To: <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E11525CB4@ex01.crusaders.local> References: <43080f460708310804n29ab3234hd02a2bf019458268@mail.gmail.com><46D8310B.7050802@McQuil.com><43080f460708310857k638d03achadafa453bfeded76@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460708311713x11e0c627xd5c019c07f391129@mail.gmail.com> <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E11525CB4@ex01.crusaders.local> Message-ID: <46E14A7E.9080101@scheie.homedns.org> www.getopenoffice.org sells OOo workbooks, and offers educational discounts. The site is run by Solveig Haugland who is arguably one of the more prominent authors of OOo books. Peter Joshua Sommermeyer wrote: > Does anyone have a good curriculum/book/online resource they are using to teach Open Office to high school students? That you'd be willing to share? > > Thanks for your help! > > _________________________________________ > Joshua D. Sommermeyer > Director of Technology > Concordia Lutheran High School > (o) 281.351.2547 > (f) 281.255.8806 > www.concordiacrusaders.org > sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org > > +++Building Lives of Excellence upon the Foundation of Christ. +++ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From karisue at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 15:09:53 2007 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:09:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian filter Message-ID: I have a new principal who is, for lack of a more descriptive word, paranoid. After last week's video.google.com scare last week, he had me switch our filter to whitelist only. So I have a little list of websites that are allowed; all else is blocked. The teachers and students are not happy. This is a K-8 school, and the 5th-8th graders feel they are being punished. I tend to agree. And when research paper time comes (October), what will happen then? I promised to look into how other schools handle filtering. I am scared of filtering by keyword -- what if I don't think of all of them? Are available prepared lists thorough and reliable? I have two needs: 1. I need to be able to report how other schools use Dansguardian or similar filtering tools. 2. I need to educate the principal on this topic. Can you think of any info I can throw his way to persuade him to let up the screws a little bit? Thanks for helping, Kari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Fri Sep 7 15:35:07 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:35:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43080f460709070835h348974d6s9d88e8ef360971be@mail.gmail.com> We use and 8e6 content filter. We whitelist some areas by category and black list labs with adequate supervision. We have found it to be effective in blocking circumventors even in a blacklist environment. I would state that most filters do not block circumventors and thus you really are only filtering the honest or stupid. Mel On 9/7/07, Kari Matthews wrote: > I have a new principal who is, for lack of a more descriptive word, > paranoid. After last week's video.google.com scare last week, he had me > switch our filter to whitelist only. So I have a little list of websites > that are allowed; all else is blocked. > > The teachers and students are not happy. This is a K-8 school, and the > 5th-8th graders feel they are being punished. I tend to agree. And when > research paper time comes (October), what will happen then? > > I promised to look into how other schools handle filtering. I am scared of > filtering by keyword -- what if I don't think of all of them? Are available > prepared lists thorough and reliable? > > I have two needs: > > 1. I need to be able to report how other schools use Dansguardian or > similar filtering tools. > 2. I need to educate the principal on this topic. Can you think of any > info I can throw his way to persuade him to let up the screws a little bit? > > Thanks for helping, > Kari > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From webmaster at vol.org Fri Sep 7 15:46:45 2007 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:46:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E17265.6020803@vol.org> Kari Matthews wrote: > 1. I need to be able to report how other schools use Dansguardian or > similar filtering tools. > 2. I need to educate the principal on this topic. Can you think of any > info I can throw his way to persuade him to let up the screws a little bit? DansGuardian is extremely effective when using prepared lists and your own lists of domains, URLs, phrases, etc. What I suggest is setting it up to log usernames and using that to show your principal that you can provide detailed reports of what your students are doing. There is a CGI script (dglog.pl) that will allow you to produce these reports. One technique I've found extremely effective with students is to use a projector to show them DansGuardian logs in real time as they search. They're a bit shocked when they see their usernames in the logs. I also show them that I can see exactly what they're typing into the Google search box via a perl script I wrote. This message has been scanned by the Internet Service Departments Virus/Spam filter. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Sep 7 16:08:37 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:08:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <43080f460709062238k55c286b5nbfadb1303fa56063@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <46E0DB3E.2000402@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062215s542410d2y4a471ba78e017bad@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E034.1080702@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062238k55c286b5nbfadb1303fa56063@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E17785.5000900@cmosnetworks.com> 50 each...you *could* do individual DHCP reservations for, say, 50 of the clients pointing to one LTSP server, and then have everyone else point to the other LTSP server. A little high-maintenance, but it certainly does work. Say your first LTSP server is 10.0.4.254 and your second one is 10.0.5.254. You want to direct a specific client (MAC address 11-22-33-44-55-66) to 10.0.5.254. host ws001 { hardware ethernet 11:22:33:44:55:66: option root-path "10.0.5.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; next-server "10.0.5.254"; filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; Here's another option, the one I'd be looking at over the long haul. If your router and your switches all support 802.1Q VLAN trunking, then I'd pop each LTSP server in its own fully-routed IP subnet. For example, using Cisco gear, something like this: ------------------------------------------------------ interface FastEthernet0/1.101 description LTSP Server #1's subnet encapsulation dot1q 101 ip address 10.0.8.1 255.255.255.0 interface FastEthernet0/1.102 description LTSP Server #2's subnet encapsulation dot1q 102 ip address 10.0.9.1 255.255.255.0 ! This assumes that you propagate your routing table info via OSPF, like we do in my district router ospf 100 network 10.0.8.1 0.0.0.0 area 0 network 10.0.9.1 0.0.0.0 area 0 ------------------------------------------------------ Then, make VLAN's 101 and 102 in your switch, turn on your trunking, and pop whatever client ports you want for LTSP server #1 into VLAN 101, and the client ports for LTSP server #2 into VLAN 102. Your LTSP servers will, of course, need to be put into the new subnets and VLAN's as well. Note that everything's still fully routable internally throughout the school; you're not doing any NAT'ing here. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Mel Wade wrote: > 1. About 50 each. > 2. 10.0.4.0/22 - all clients > 3. one-NIC setup > > On 9/6/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > >> There are a couple of ways I can think of to do this: do it by subnet, or >> do it by individual DHCP reservation. The first method scales for many >> clients, but your network infrastructure really should support VLAN's. The >> second method is very specific, but I find maintenance to be a pain if you >> have to swap NIC's. >> >> A few more pieces of info would help: >> >> 1.) How many clients are we talking about directing to each LTSP server? >> >> 2.) What are the IP subnets being used on the LTSP client segment(s) of >> each LTSP server? >> >> 3.) Are you using a two-NIC (classical) or one-NIC LTSP setup? >> >> --TP >> >> >> >> Mel Wade wrote: >> I'm trying to use a third server as DHCP to direct specific clients to >> one of two other LTSP servers. >> >> On 9/6/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: >> >> >> Remember that K12LTSP actually does use LTSP, and furthermore, Eric makes >> *minimal* changes...and I mean *minimal*. Really--it's nearly bone-stock >> from upstream LTSP. The file locations are, with the exception of >> /etc/dhcpd.conf, identical (IIRC, he renames it something like >> /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf or something like that). By contrast, Edubuntu >> tends to move the LTSP files into quite different locations (under /usr and >> such) than upstream LTSP uses. Drives me nuts whenever I want to run >> ltspadmin. >> >> Any time I use K12LTSP, I just use the LTSP docs, and I have yet to go >> wrong. >> >> Anything in particular you're looking to figure out? >> >> --TP >> >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! >> >> >> Mel Wade wrote: >> Anyone know where I can find DHCP documentation specific to K12LSTP >> client booting? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sep 7 12:44:35 ncslts3 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:c0:4f:50:41:bb via eth0 Sep 7 12:44:35 ncslts3 dhcpd: Abandoning IP address 192.168.0.253: pinged before offer Sep 7 12:44:36 ncslts3 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:c0:4f:50:41:bb via eth0 Sep 7 12:44:36 ncslts3 dhcpd: Abandoning IP address 192.168.0.252: pinged before offer Sep 7 12:44:38 ncslts3 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:c0:4f:50:41:bb via eth0 Sep 7 12:44:38 ncslts3 dhcpd: Abandoning IP address 192.168.0.251: pinged before offer Sep 7 12:44:42 ncslts3 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:c0:4f:50:41:bb via eth0 Sep 7 12:44:42 ncslts3 dhcpd: Abandoning IP address 192.168.0.250: pinged before offer Sep 7 12:44:50 ncslts3 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:c0:4f:50:41:bb via eth0 Sep 7 12:44:50 ncslts3 dhcpd: Abandoning IP address 192.168.0.249: pinged before offer If I specify a reservation for the client though, e.g. host ws123 { # Tech Lab system 1 hardware ethernet 00:c0:4f:50:41:bb; fixed-address 192.168.0.123; } It boots without issues. All of the IP addresses that are being tried above already are used (and are actually specified as reservations in the conf file). So, why is dhcp trying IP addresses that are already in use? How can I force dhcp to not try these? I know I can reset the range so that it stops at say 192.168.0.248, but then what happens to the 249-253 systems? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The site is run by Solveig Haugland who is arguably one of > the more prominent authors of OOo books. > > Peter > > Joshua Sommermeyer wrote: >> Does anyone have a good curriculum/book/online resource they are using >> to teach Open Office to high school students? That you'd be willing >> to share? >> >> Thanks for your help! >> >> _________________________________________ >> Joshua D. Sommermeyer >> Director of Technology >> Concordia Lutheran High School >> (o) 281.351.2547 >> (f) 281.255.8806 >> www.concordiacrusaders.org >> sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org >> >> +++Building Lives of Excellence upon the Foundation of Christ. +++ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Sep 7 18:44:30 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:44:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian filter In-Reply-To: <46E17265.6020803@vol.org> References: <46E17265.6020803@vol.org> Message-ID: <46E19C0E.2000400@paasda.org> share please? :) fun scripty scripts =) Also, to parent poster: Your principal needs to be aware that any student with enough motivation WILL find a way to circumvent nearly any content filter that ISN'T using keyword matching...Dansguardian is nice in that you can filter based on an aggregate scoring of words to which YOU assign weights...also you can whitelist specific IP's(so 192.168.0.200...the princpal's laptop) is unfiltered completely...and blacklist explicitly urls/domains/and any page with specific keywords. --Huck george kocke wrote: > What I suggest is setting it up to log usernames and using that to show > your principal that you can provide detailed reports of what your > students are doing. There is a CGI script (dglog.pl) that will allow you > to produce these reports. > > I also show them that I can see exactly what they're typing into the > Google search box via a perl script I wrote. From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Fri Sep 7 19:09:02 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:09:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop max session time Message-ID: <46E1A1CE.5010407@bio-chemvalve.com> One of my users stays logged into his Windows rdesktop session (on SCREEN_02) constantly. He's had a few instances where the system kicks him off with a 2 minute warning. Is there a timeout in the LTSP rdesktop script? Or might there be a setting on the Windows terminal server for max. session time? -Rob From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Sep 7 20:05:32 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:05:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - user passwords Message-ID: <20070907130532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f7cafb25cd.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 20:10:36 2007 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:10:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - user passwords In-Reply-To: <20070907130532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f7cafb25cd.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070907130532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f7cafb25cd.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <69b790a80709071310w40ebc876nb40042bcaa665367@mail.gmail.com> On 9/7/07, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > I have just setup a lab of 30 clients with K12LTSP v. 6. I am showing the > students how to change their password. The system keeps telling me that the > word is a dictionary word and will not allow me to use the password. Is > there a way to over ride the strong password settings??? > THis page: http://www.deer-run.com/~hal/sysadmin/pam_cracklib.html details how to user cracklib to enforce strong passwords. You could probably figure what setting to change to enable an easily guessable password. I think this would be a good time for you to teach how to create strong passwords that are easy to remember. -- Roger ~~~~//~~~~ low cost web hosting: http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?91357 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, MlbB'sai4y References: <20070907130532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f7cafb25cd.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4b5781040709071315rb65633ala62351de7726b319@mail.gmail.com> hi On 9/7/07, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > I have just setup a lab of 30 clients with K12LTSP v. 6. I am showing the > students how to change their password. The system keeps telling me that the > word is a dictionary word and will not allow me to use the password. Is > there a way to over ride the strong password settings??? > I don't know of any GUI interface to over-ride, but you should be able to become su and do passwd [username] and you will be prompted for a new password. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Sep 7 20:59:38 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:59:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - user passwords In-Reply-To: <20070907130532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f7cafb25cd.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070907130532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f7cafb25cd.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20070907205908.M31477@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:05:32 -0700, rmcdaniel wrote > I have just setup a lab of 30 clients with K12LTSP v. 6. I am showing the > students how to change their password. The system keeps telling me that the > word is a dictionary word and will not allow me to use the password. Is there > a way to over ride the strong password settings??? Webmin will override this and you are also able to bulk import -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Sep 7 21:07:42 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:07:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - user passwords In-Reply-To: <20070907205908.M31477@winonacotter.org> References: <20070907130532.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f7cafb25cd.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <20070907205908.M31477@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20070907210628.M54554@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:59:38 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote > On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:05:32 -0700, rmcdaniel wrote > > I have just setup a lab of 30 clients with K12LTSP v. 6. I am showing the > > students how to change their password. The system keeps telling me that the > > word is a dictionary word and will not allow me to use the password. Is there > > a way to over ride the strong password settings??? > > Webmin will override this and you are also able to bulk import I accidentally sent before finishing. Upon re-reading webmin most likely won't help you since you need the users to make changes. You may be able to use usermin, but I'm sure disabling the restriction would be easier. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From einfeldt at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 23:01:25 2007 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:01:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian filter In-Reply-To: <43080f460709070835h348974d6s9d88e8ef360971be@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460709070835h348974d6s9d88e8ef360971be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b5781040709071601i3665682dw62214a1a624abbb5@mail.gmail.com> hi On 9/7/07, Mel Wade wrote: > > We use and 8e6 content filter. We whitelist some areas by category > and black list labs with adequate supervision. We have found it to be > effective in blocking circumventors even in a blacklist environment. > I would state that most filters do not block circumventors and thus > you really are only filtering the honest or stupid. > I support a public middle school in San Francisco, and I concur with what Mel is saying above, both as to the methods he uses as well as the limitations on filtering. I am also an attorney, and I explain filtering this way to parents and administrators: The US Supreme Court is unable to come up with a one-sentence definition of obscenity. Instead, they use a balancing of factors tests. So if the US Supremes can't define obscenity, how is it possible for a filter to define it? It is inevitably true that the most secure way for a parent to avoid pornography is to lock the student up at home and never allow them to 1) watch TV; 2) go out with friends; 3) go on the Internet; 4) read books. Of course, that is extreme, but the point is well-taken: sex is part of the human experience. It is only with constant vigilance and constant adult presence IN THE ROOM that it is possible to minimize contact with undesireable content, and even then, a few bikinis will sneak through, but probably no bare breasts or posteriors. Another way of putting it is that life is generally PG. You can probably cut the XXX stuff down to a 2% chance of encounter; you can cut the PG-17 stuff down to a 10% risk of exposure; but it seems as if you have a 90% risk of exposure to PG-13 stuff, simply because that is life in the US. The other thing that I tell parents and administrators is that, as George Kocke says, we can trace their steps, and we will. If you suspect a particular student, take a few moments to follow their steps, and then pull them off of all computer use for a period of time, according to the level of their abuse of their privileges. There is no such thing as perfect control, not even in a totalitarian state like China, and certainly not in a democracy, not even in schools in a democracy. That is why it is so important to be involved in the kids lives to prepare them so that they will make good choices when they inevitably encounter undesirable stuff. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The site is run by Solveig Haugland who is arguably one of >> the more prominent authors of OOo books. >> >> Peter >> >> Joshua Sommermeyer wrote: >>> Does anyone have a good curriculum/book/online resource they are >>> using to teach Open Office to high school students? That you'd be >>> willing to share? >>> >>> Thanks for your help! >>> >>> _________________________________________ >>> Joshua D. Sommermeyer >>> Director of Technology >>> Concordia Lutheran High School >>> (o) 281.351.2547 >>> (f) 281.255.8806 >>> www.concordiacrusaders.org >>> sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org >>> >>> +++Building Lives of Excellence upon the Foundation of Christ. +++ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 8 06:08:57 2007 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 23:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian filter Message-ID: <969349.41560.qm@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> We use DansGuardian(&Squid) at our building, which contains both a middle school (6-8) and a high school (9-12) for a total of ~1100 students. At the elementary schools (K-5) in this same district we use IPCop. Under the covers the current version of IPCop uses a preconfigured DansGuardian. It's settings are about right for elementaries, but would be quickly hooted down if we tried to implement them at the high school. (We _also_ use firewalls at all schools. Web Filtering by itself can't provide adequate security. No matter what you do, don't throw out your firewall. Run DansGuardian _together_ [or if necessary _in_parallel_] with a firewall.) One thing that DansGuardian can do easily is have different "classes" of restrictions for different computers (or even for different individual users if you're techie enough to deal with NTLM:-). I find the needs and expectations of younger students are very different from those of older students. If I was handling a building with K-8 all in one place, I'd set up a couple (or maybe even three) different DansGuardian filter classes, then assign the computers in the lower grade classrooms to one and the computers in the upper grade classrooms to the other. Common facilities like libraries might be the tricky part of this approach. For those, having an automagic script move computers from one class to the other at different times of day might be a solution. (Squid alone could very conveniently handle all the time-of-day restrictions. You'd just have to configure it once then you could completely forget it. And Squid can handle blacklists too [although not quite as conveniently as DansGuardian]. Unfortunately Squid isn't [in my mind:-] up to the task of doing the sort of phrase filtering or search term vetting you'd want to do for an elementary.) (Let me stress the age differences a little more: A photo of a bare bum in a first grade class results in an emergency call and can escalate to shutting down all the computers in the whole school if not handled quickly and satisfactorily. The same bare bum photo in an eighth grade class is probably just part of the health class curriculum.) Although we've gotten pretty fancy over time, that's neither necessary nor is it the way we started out. DansGuardian comes with a whole bunch of preconfigured suggestions. You basically just have to decide "yes/no" for each category. We didn't even _start_ to think about supplying our own word recipes or modifying the DansGuardian presupplied ones for a whole year. By the way, our experience is even filtering technologies like DansGuardian are almost useless without really good blacklists. We pay a small yearly fee to http://urlblacklist.com (no 's', that's a different site and you don't want it), and get regular updates from them. Last I counted their lists were around 300,000 (!). (A blacklist only half or a third that size is sufficient for elementaries.) You couldn't possibly do anything remotely equivalent. It's semi-heresy to say that the DansGuardian phrase filtering alone isn't worth a whole lot ...but that's how I feel. This is partly a question of philosophy. Our philosophy is to comply with CIPA, keep our principals happy, and make it difficult for students to do illegal or stupid things -- and otherwise to let the chips fall where they may. We don't have a population of overly litigious parents, we've got the backing of our School Committee, and we can point to the situation not so many years ago when access was completely unfiltered and truthfully say we're doing a _whole_ lot better now. CIPA requires being careful about 'porn', one of our principals is very concerned about 'chat', and both principals constantly hear from their teachers they want 'online games' blocked. Keeping students from doing illegal and/or stupid things means blocking 'online gambling' and 'ecommerce' sites. And reserving our bandwidth for academic purposes means discouraging file downloads and file sharing. Trying through technical means to get to ZERO risks is a quixotic quest for several reasons: The amount of technical effort is huge and more expensive than most schools really want to pay. Even with huge effort and the best of intentions, being outfoxed technically once in a while will be inevitable. Any reasonable technical implementation is always backstopped by enforcement of an AUP (Acceptable Use Policy) - it can't stand on its own. Kids have easier web access at the local public library and completely open access at home. And if they're too locked down, computers aren't useful academically. (That's a continuing discussion point on this and several other mailing lists.) Also, if one of the school's goals is to _teach_ the students how to conduct themselves safely on the net, totally restricting everything isn't the way to do it. The only way to learn is to have the opportunity to fail once in a while. Hopefully the school can keep the injuries in bounds ...but it makes no sense to prevent slips and falls altogether. Going suddenly from very tight limits at school to no limits at all after graduation is like going from skateboarding to driving in just one day. The "whitelist" approach is _extremely_ draconian, to be considered only as a very last resort, and arguably impossible to implement reasonably in 2007. What was still possible (albeit difficult) a few years ago is just ridiculous nowadays. With _millions_ of web-connected computers, having a whitelist large enough to make the computers useful to students is pretty much impossible. Besides, just in the last year we've seen a trend of more and more websites intermingling (A is the main website, but the newsfeed is at B, the streaming video is at C, the ads are mostly at D and E, and the traffic meter that says who owes what is at F). In such an environment, whitelisting is such a huge PITB it more or less doesn't work at all. We briefly considered whitelisting _just_for_https/443_ this school year, but our principals decided even that was such a huge inconvenience to users it was better to take other administrative actions. One very nice feature of the most recent releases of DansGuardian is the ability to FORCE "safe search". (What used to be a separate "Google patch" has now been incorporated into the base software.) Instead of having the search engine send you everything then trying to filter it after the fact, the "safe search" approach tells the search engine you want their "adult content filter" (or whatever they call it), then lets _the_search_engine_ do most of the filtering work. This is pretty nice for text, and invaluable for pictures. This alone would make DansGuardian worth it even if it didn't do anything else. (It's kinda fun to watch a student try over and over to turn the adult content filter off, only to see it come back on again and again and again no matter what they do.) Also, consider setting up a GUI admin tool for DansGuardian such as "the Webmin patch". (You'll probably have to tinker with it a little to get it to work on the latest version.) With it, you can turn preset groups of phrases on/off very easily, without having to deal with the internals of DansGuardian at all and without having to think very hard about which phrases to block. good luck! -Chuck Kollars ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org Sat Sep 8 08:40:49 2007 From: willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org (willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 01:40:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian filter Message-ID: <20070908014049.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.355a3531dc.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrbal4 at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 06:27:02 2007 From: mrbal4 at gmail.com (Mister B) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 23:27:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian filter In-Reply-To: <20070908014049.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.355a3531dc.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070908014049.af6af33cab8c3852ebe1fe55c84796fe.355a3531dc.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1bfa2fdd0709082327i79e74a6et643afc59b1a01200@mail.gmail.com> I used Dansguardian for many years in a K-12 school, and have since moved on to Censornet ( http://opensource.censornet.com/ ) -a DansGuardian and other open source software-based filtering distribution (based on Debian) that is doing a good job for us now. We didn't buy the blacklist support, but with some monitoring and tweaking, it is working well. Recording and reporting abilities are robust, and I am generally happy with its performance on a ~1.8 ghz P4 with 1gb RAM. On 9/8/07, willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org < willhatch at fayhoneyknoppschool.org> wrote: > > Kari, > > I was a special educator at a residential school for boys - sex offenders, > for 4 years. When I first arrived, their idea of safety with the internet > was to unplug the ethernet cable from the modem. After many hours of > teaching myself about linux, I ended up with ipcop, dansguardian, and > k12ltsp. It worked well, but being a linux novice I found it difficult to > tweak the settings of Dansguardian. Then I discovered Clarkconnect > community edition. It has a nice interface with pull-down menus to adjust > the settings. With the settings on high, for text and images, its pretty > darn secure. With my students I had to make sure it was, and I never had > any trouble. Yes, it sometimes filters too much. Better too much than not > enough. -Will > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian filter > From: "Kari Matthews" > Date: Fri, September 07, 2007 8:09 am > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > I have a new principal who is, for lack of a more descriptive word, > paranoid. After last week's video.google.com scare last week, he had me > switch our filter to whitelist only. So I have a little list of websites > that are allowed; all else is blocked. > > The teachers and students are not happy. This is a K-8 school, and the > 5th-8th graders feel they are being punished. I tend to agree. And when > research paper time comes (October), what will happen then? > > I promised to look into how other schools handle filtering. I am scared > of filtering by keyword -- what if I don't think of all of them? Are > available prepared lists thorough and reliable? > > I have two needs: > > 1. I need to be able to report how other schools use Dansguardian or > similar filtering tools. > 2. I need to educate the principal on this! topic. Can you think of any > info I can throw his way to persuade him to let up the screws a little bit? > > Thanks for helping, > Kari > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN**@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From e.pedragosa at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 10:22:52 2007 From: e.pedragosa at gmail.com (Edwardson) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:22:52 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Curriculum, outlines, standards and benchmarks In-Reply-To: <20070908160023.59867736C1@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070908160023.59867736C1@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <46E3C97C.5080209@gmail.com> Hi, We are in the process of improving our standards and benchmarks, curriculum and course outlines. I found some examples by searching using google, but i would like to get input (possibly documents) from schools who uses LTSP. This is for K-grade 12. Thanks. Edward From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sun Sep 9 14:02:35 2007 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 08:02:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Curriculum, outlines, standards and benchmarks In-Reply-To: <46E3C97C.5080209@gmail.com> References: <20070908160023.59867736C1@hormel.redhat.com> <46E3C97C.5080209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E3FCFB.6030102@elp.rr.com> Hi Edward Although applicable only to Texas, and related more to the TEKS content of several Open Source Software programs we are making available to teachers via our 92 school librarians, you might want to take a look at http://links.episd.org/open-source (click on the icons.) There's also more generic complementary material at http://toss-elptx.blogspot.com/ - there's even a parody of NCLB to balance content ;-) Cheers Alan El Paso ISD - TX -=o=- Edwardson wrote: > Hi, > > We are in the process of improving our standards and benchmarks, > curriculum and course outlines. I found some examples by searching using > google, but i would like to get input (possibly documents) from schools > who uses LTSP. This is for K-grade 12. > > Thanks. > > Edward > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Fight the Digital Divide http://toss-elptx.blogspot.com/ \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ From william at fragakis.com Sun Sep 9 14:34:02 2007 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:34:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] cost of Windows according to Microsoft Message-ID: <1189348442.3530.39.camel@server.ltsp> Great article on Microsoft's TOC estimates for XP and Vista for "mobile" computing since K12LTSP is often compared to "let's give all the students a laptop". http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136865-c,vistalonghorn/article.html Microsoft estimates the annual TOC for mobile computing on Vista to be about $3800 while for XP $4400. Many XP fans have been skeptical of the Vista "savings" because M'soft estimates hardware savings with Vista - even though it requires a much more powerful PC for the same level of performance than XP. At Morris Brandon, where we have 400+ K12LTSP desktops, had we put that many laptops in place running XP (Vista not being available two years ago), the annual cost estimate would be more than US$ 1.76 million. Assuming their rosy estimates for Vista - $1.5 million. Obviously, schools using Windows aren't don't have that much money which means that compared to M'soft's best practices, they are cutting corners in security, reliability, support, asset-management, software deployment, etc. Whatever TOC corners are being cut (costs avoided), likely, there are proportionate productivity losses as teachers and students deal with security and hardware issues and administrators struggle to keep up with software deployment and inventory. regards, William From csyperski at DUPAGE88.NET Mon Sep 10 02:31:34 2007 From: csyperski at DUPAGE88.NET (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:31:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG Message-ID: This post may be off topic for this mailing list, but I hope this may be able to help some people. I have created another open-source project that is called FOG, which stands for Free, Open-source Ghost. It is a computer imaging solution for Windows XP machines with a single partition (and Vista soon). It uses PXE to boot the computers and image them with a small Linux OS, no floppy disks, bootable CDs or USB drives needed. It is all managed via a web interface and is very easy to use and setup. It even includes a Windows service to change the Windows host name after imaging. It allows users to image whole groups of computers, like a floor or computer lab and a whole bunch of other features. The server runs on Fedora 7 and comes with a installation wizard. If you want to check it out it is completely open-source and free! http://www.sf.net/projects/freeghost Sorry again for posting off topic. Thanks, Chuck Syperski From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Mon Sep 10 12:09:34 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:09:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian filter In-Reply-To: <969349.41560.qm@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> References: <969349.41560.qm@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46E533FE.7020209@bio-chemvalve.com> Chuck Kollars wrote: > Also, if one of the school's goals is to _teach_ the > students how to conduct themselves safely on the net, > totally restricting everything isn't the way to do it. > The only way to learn is to have the opportunity to > fail once in a while. Hopefully the school can keep > the injuries in bounds ...but it makes no sense to > prevent slips and falls altogether. Going suddenly > from very tight limits at school to no limits at all > after graduation is like going from skateboarding to > driving in just one day. > > I always say that at some point (college, likely) kids are going to be in a position where they have to make important decisions on their own. They'll do a better job of it if they've already had some practice. -Rob From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Sep 10 12:14:18 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:14:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >This post may be off topic for this mailing list, but I hope this may be >able to help some people. > >I have created another open-source project that is called FOG, which >stands for Free, Open-source Ghost. > >It is a computer imaging solution for Windows XP machines with a single >partition (and Vista soon). It uses PXE to boot the computers and image >them with a small Linux OS, no floppy disks, bootable CDs or USB drives >needed. It is all managed via a web interface and is very easy to use >and setup. It even includes a Windows service to change the Windows host >name after imaging. It allows users to image whole groups of computers, >like a floor or computer lab and a whole bunch of other features. The >server runs on Fedora 7 and comes with a installation wizard. > >If you want to check it out it is completely open-source and free! > >http://www.sf.net/projects/freeghost > > >Sorry again for posting off topic. Are you kidding? This is great! Thanks for sharing! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Sep 10 12:14:18 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:14:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >This post may be off topic for this mailing list, but I hope this may be >able to help some people. > >I have created another open-source project that is called FOG, which >stands for Free, Open-source Ghost. > >It is a computer imaging solution for Windows XP machines with a single >partition (and Vista soon). It uses PXE to boot the computers and image >them with a small Linux OS, no floppy disks, bootable CDs or USB drives >needed. It is all managed via a web interface and is very easy to use >and setup. It even includes a Windows service to change the Windows host >name after imaging. It allows users to image whole groups of computers, >like a floor or computer lab and a whole bunch of other features. The >server runs on Fedora 7 and comes with a installation wizard. > >If you want to check it out it is completely open-source and free! > >http://www.sf.net/projects/freeghost > > >Sorry again for posting off topic. Are you kidding? This is great! Thanks for sharing! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Sep 10 14:59:13 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:59:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG Message-ID: <20070910075913.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.62d9344e2e.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET Mon Sep 10 15:04:10 2007 From: CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:04:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG Message-ID: Thanks for feedback, let me know if you have any problems with it, I would love to hear it, especially with the hostname change portion. thanks >>> rmcdaniel at indata.us 09/10/07 09:59AM >>> Wow, great looking interface. I loaded it on FC7 without any problems and can't wait to try imaging a few computers. Thanks for the hard work! Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Technology Coordinator Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 rmcdaniel at indata.us "Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least" Goethe -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG From: "CHUCK SYPERSKI" Date: Sun, September 09, 2007 9:31 pm To: This post may be off topic for this mailing list, but I hope this may be able to help some people. I have created another open-source project that is called FOG, which stands for Free, Open-source Ghost. It is a computer imaging solution for Windows XP machines with a single partition (and Vista soon). It uses PXE to boot the computers and image them with a small Linux OS, no floppy disks, bootable CDs or USB drives needed. It is all managed via a web interface and is very easy to use and setup. It even includes a Windows service to change the Windows host name after imaging. It allows users to image whole groups of computers, like a floor or computer lab and a whole bunch of other features. The server runs on Fedora 7 and comes with a installation wizard. If you want to check it out it is completely open-source and free! http://www.sf.net/projects/freeghost Sorry again for posting off topic. Thanks, Chuck Syperski _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Sep 10 16:18:41 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:18:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office In-Reply-To: <46E1EDE7.1040003@scheie.homedns.org> References: <43080f460708310804n29ab3234hd02a2bf019458268@mail.gmail.com><46D8310B.7050802@McQuil.com><43080f460708310857k638d03achadafa453bfeded76@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460708311713x11e0c627xd5c019c07f391129@mail.gmail.com> <556D988B3239574AA2ED57EFDACF2E11525CB4@ex01.crusaders.local> <46E14A7E.9080101@scheie.homedns.org> <46E19CA1.6030306@paasda.org> <46E1EDE7.1040003@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <46E56E61.1040908@paasda.org> depends on your teaching style I suppose. Personally I enjoyed creating projects based on other classes they were taking at the time.. i.e. History or Literature, even Health and P.E. Have them create documents/spreadsheets/presentations based on what they were doing in other classes...who knows they might even be able to USE THEM in their other classes and get credit in BOTH places! --Huck Peter Scheie wrote: > Is being project based good or bad? > > Peter > > Huck wrote: >> and from my 30 second perusal just now they appear to be project based... >> >> --Huck >> >> Peter Scheie wrote: >>> www.getopenoffice.org sells OOo workbooks, and offers educational >>> discounts. The site is run by Solveig Haugland who is arguably one >>> of the more prominent authors of OOo books. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> Joshua Sommermeyer wrote: >>>> Does anyone have a good curriculum/book/online resource they are >>>> using to teach Open Office to high school students? That you'd be >>>> willing to share? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your help! >>>> >>>> _________________________________________ >>>> Joshua D. Sommermeyer >>>> Director of Technology >>>> Concordia Lutheran High School >>>> (o) 281.351.2547 >>>> (f) 281.255.8806 >>>> www.concordiacrusaders.org >>>> sommermeyerj at concordiacrusaders.org >>>> >>>> +++Building Lives of Excellence upon the Foundation of Christ. +++ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 02:13:55 2007 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:13:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound and and Flash Sound EL5 Message-ID: <8b88203f0709101913i27307dc1seedf017b0615dc2a@mail.gmail.com> I've just done an install with my students on their club computer using K12EL5 64 bit. I've been through the email archives with my kids tonight but we can't get the flash sound woking on the terminals nor the xmms audio. Anyone know the tricks for the EL5/Centos K12? Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 04:18:11 2007 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:18:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Sound and and Flash Sound EL5 In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0709101913i27307dc1seedf017b0615dc2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0709101913i27307dc1seedf017b0615dc2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b88203f0709102118s75e9c751xe0b353dd4510ae9b@mail.gmail.com> OK, I got it using the wiki and the LTSP-esd-alsa_1.0.0-2.tgz package! On 9/10/07, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > I've just done an install with my students on their club computer using > K12EL5 64 bit. I've been through the email archives with my kids tonight > but we can't get the flash sound woking on the terminals nor the xmms audio. > > > Anyone know the tricks for the EL5/Centos K12? > > Thanks, > > Jim > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lameiro at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 07:58:08 2007 From: lameiro at gmail.com (Leandro Lameiro) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:58:08 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] ANN: GNota - A GTK+ teachers gradebook Message-ID: <6815022a0709110058ue47e065radb5c6d97faed6bf@mail.gmail.com> I am pleased to announce the first release of GNota, a GTK+ teachers gradebook application. This first release was sponsored by Google Summer of Code program 2007, mentored by Tom Hoffman from SchoolTool ( http://www.schooltool.org/ ) and Ubuntu as the mentoring organization. Beware that, as the first version, it can be a bit buggy. All your feedback such as bug reports, patches, artwork, criticisms and suggestions are really appreciated. GNota is a gradebook application, this means that its objective is to help teachers and schools with most of repetitive tasks, using automatic calculation of end-of-period overall grades, archiving of student data (like phone numbers, full name, student ID, etc). GNota aims to be suitable for all schools in the world, thus it supports various scoring systems like American Letters (A-F) and Extended American Letters scales (A-F+-), percentage scales (0%-100%), Zero/Ten scoresystem and has support for creation of new scoresystems if you need to. It also has support for 3 algorithms for overall score calculation (simple average, simple average of best N scores and weighted average). GNota can also calculate if the student was approved in the class, by using customizable approvation criterion (for instance overall score greater than C and missed classes less than 3 classes). GNota gradebooks can be imported from and exported to CSV files, so that you are free to work with spreadsheets like OpenOffice.org, Google Docs and Microsoft Office if you need to. (Yes, GNota runs on Windows too) === Installing === Preferred: Using Debian packages: Download the package from https://launchpad.net/gnota/0.1/0.1.0/+download/gnota_0.1.0-1.deb (If you are using Ubuntu) GNota uses Elixir, a python library that is still not in Ubuntu repositories. You can download Elixir package from Debian - http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-elixir Alternative: Using python eggs: First, you need Python 2.5 ( www.python.org ) and setuptools ( download http://peak.telecommunity.com/dist/ez_setup.py and run "python ez_setup.py") In your command line (on Windows you have to type from Python Scripts directory) type: easy_install GNota Make sure that you also have GTK/PyGTK and all dependencies involved (PyGObject and PyCairo) If you need help installing GTK/PyGTK in Windows, see http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=show&file=faq21.001.htp === Providing feedback === Your feedback is really appreciated and is necessary for improvement of GNota. You can add bug reports in GNota bugtracker at https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnota/ , or send me e-mails if you prefer ( lameiro at gmail dot com ). Thank you! Best regards Leandro Lameiro From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Tue Sep 11 20:47:05 2007 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:47:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services Message-ID: <46E6B813.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Does anyone have any experience with Windows Terminal Services? I have a k12ltsp 5EL lab installed working great. i have install a windows server with terminal services enabled. i setup an icon for the students to connect to it with sound redirection, and all. I am having a few issues. maybe this doesnt work. i am running Type to Learn typing program that seems to be extremely slow. if i use one or two clients, it seems fine except the sound is not perfect. I am also using Star Math. during the install, normally i have to go into the management of a PC and specify that the data is stored on a mapped drive and it works for every student who logs onto that PC. but on the terminal services, i have to set that for every student. i assume it is something to do with profiles. any suggestions? Thanks Daniel Kuecker From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 20:56:48 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:56:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services In-Reply-To: <46E6B813.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <46E6B813.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: At NCS we are using TTL as well using terminal services. I have a TTL3NET.ini (think that is the name) file that I push to every students WINDOWS directory (which resides in their home directory). Actually, it is also part of the /etc/skel configuration so they get it reset as well if needed. This sets the datapath variable that you mention. I can send it to later today when I get back to the school. Also, with TTL, there are some graphics options that can be turned off (something about the background in Windows Wipers or something) that reduces the load and improves performance. I haven't gotten sound to work with TTL yet. On 9/11/07, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > Does anyone have any experience with Windows Terminal Services? I have a > k12ltsp 5EL lab installed working great. i have install a windows server > with terminal services enabled. i setup an icon for the students to connect > to it with sound redirection, and all. I am having a few issues. maybe this > doesnt work. i am running Type to Learn typing program that seems to be > extremely slow. if i use one or two clients, it seems fine except the sound > is not perfect. I am also using Star Math. during the install, normally i > have to go into the management of a PC and specify that the data is stored > on a mapped drive and it works for every student who logs onto that PC. but > on the terminal services, i have to set that for every student. i assume it > is something to do with profiles. any suggestions? > > Thanks > Daniel Kuecker > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 22:47:27 2007 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:47:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software Message-ID: <4b5781040709111547r1c100d55tbab691b6fc93b6aa@mail.gmail.com> hi, Our public middle school has just hired a music teacher for the very first time. The teacher would like to use computers to do music notation and editing. We are going to be running this software over an LTSP thin client network. She wants to "teach students to read treble and bass clef music notation and to understand simple rhythmic patterns. She would like quizzes and tests and self correction. She would like to use this program, which apparently is a Windows-only program. I have looked at some of the apps that are in the Edubuntu Feisty repository, which are GNU Denomo Lilypond Musitex Notedit Opustex Score-reading Solfege Are there any FOSS musicians on this list? If so, I would love to hear from you, because I am neither a musician nor a systems administrator, but I am playing the role of both in supporting this public middle school as a volunteer with FOSS. Heh. Thanks in advance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12osn at deltacfax.com Wed Sep 12 00:28:43 2007 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:28:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software In-Reply-To: <4b5781040709111547r1c100d55tbab691b6fc93b6aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b5781040709111547r1c100d55tbab691b6fc93b6aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E732BB.2060005@deltacfax.com> I wouldn't be confused with a musician, but Lilypond typesets really gorgeous scores. When I was creating sheet music for my kids I used it. Not hard, but not WYSIWYG either. But the results are stunning! fwiw -tim Christian Einfeldt wrote: > hi, > > > Our public middle school has just hired a music teacher for the very > first time. The teacher would like to use computers to do music > notation and editing. We are going to be running this software over > an LTSP thin client network. She wants to "teach students to read > treble and bass clef music notation and to understand simple rhythmic > patterns. She would like quizzes and tests and self correction. > > She would like to use this program, which apparently is a Windows-only > program. I have looked at some of the apps that are in the Edubuntu > Feisty repository, which are > > GNU Denomo > Lilypond > Musitex > Notedit > Opustex > Score-reading > Solfege > > Are there any FOSS musicians on this list? If so, I would love to > hear from you, because I am neither a musician nor a systems > administrator, but I am playing the role of both in supporting this > public middle school as a volunteer with FOSS. Heh. > > Thanks in advance. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From einfeldt at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 00:53:21 2007 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:53:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software In-Reply-To: <46E732BB.2060005@deltacfax.com> References: <4b5781040709111547r1c100d55tbab691b6fc93b6aa@mail.gmail.com> <46E732BB.2060005@deltacfax.com> Message-ID: <4b5781040709111753w14def150v8a0f10a722a0326d@mail.gmail.com> hi On 9/11/07, Tim Born wrote: > > I wouldn't be confused with a musician, but Lilypond typesets really > gorgeous scores. If I'm not mistaken, GNU Denomo is a GUI front end for Lilypond, is that right? When I was creating sheet music for my kids I used it. Not hard, but > not WYSIWYG either. > But the results are stunning! Good to know. Why were the results stunning? Can you say a bit more? Anything that will help me "sell" this app to the teacher would be welcome. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12osn at deltacfax.com Wed Sep 12 01:13:50 2007 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:13:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software In-Reply-To: <4b5781040709111753w14def150v8a0f10a722a0326d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b5781040709111547r1c100d55tbab691b6fc93b6aa@mail.gmail.com> <46E732BB.2060005@deltacfax.com> <4b5781040709111753w14def150v8a0f10a722a0326d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E73D4E.1010908@deltacfax.com> Ah. Sorry about the brevity. If you have ever viewed fonts that have been 'tuned' and properly kerned, you will know they are pleasing to the eye. You may not know *why*, but you can tell something about that font is "good". In a similar way to a beautifully set type font, Lilypad knows how to set music. It knows how *much* better than I do. The spacing looks "right", not mechanical / mono-spaced. Like I said, I'm no musician, but I can appreciate the difference in two versions of the same score. The one set by Lilypad is likely to be better looking than almost any sheet music you buy, unless your publisher has hand-tuned the score. The Lilypad site has an essay that explains some of the extreme lengths they go to in order to set the score "correctly": http://lilypond.org/web/about/automated-engraving/ There are also lots of scores out there already set in Lilypad. Print one up and compare it to something from the music store and see for yourself if it doesn't look better. Sorry, I'm not familiar with 'Denomo'. I can type, so using Lilypad wasn't hard. Learning to read the notes was the hard part for me ;-) , but that's probably something a music teacher would encourage. best, -tim Christian Einfeldt wrote: > hi > > On 9/11/07, *Tim Born* > wrote: > > I wouldn't be confused with a musician, but Lilypond typesets really > gorgeous scores. > > > If I'm not mistaken, GNU Denomo is a GUI front end for Lilypond, is > that right? > > When I was creating sheet music for my kids I used it. Not hard, but > not WYSIWYG either. > But the results are stunning! > > > Good to know. Why were the results stunning? Can you say a bit > more? Anything that will help me "sell" this app to the teacher would > be welcome. From tompoe at fngi.net Wed Sep 12 01:46:11 2007 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:46:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software In-Reply-To: <46E73D4E.1010908@deltacfax.com> References: <4b5781040709111547r1c100d55tbab691b6fc93b6aa@mail.gmail.com> <46E732BB.2060005@deltacfax.com> <4b5781040709111753w14def150v8a0f10a722a0326d@mail.gmail.com> <46E73D4E.1010908@deltacfax.com> Message-ID: <46E744E3.6080607@fngi.net> Tim Born wrote: > Ah. Sorry about the brevity. > > If you have ever viewed fonts that have been 'tuned' and properly > kerned, you will know they are pleasing to the eye. > You may not know *why*, but you can tell something about that font is > "good". > > In a similar way to a beautifully set type font, Lilypad knows how to > set music. > It knows how *much* better than I do. The spacing looks "right", not > mechanical / mono-spaced. > Like I said, I'm no musician, but I can appreciate the difference in > two versions of the same score. The one set by Lilypad is likely to be > better looking than almost any sheet music you buy, unless your > publisher has hand-tuned the score. > > The Lilypad site has an essay that explains some of the extreme > lengths they go to in order to set the score "correctly": > http://lilypond.org/web/about/automated-engraving/ > > There are also lots of scores out there already set in Lilypad. Print > one up and compare it to something from the music store and see for > yourself if it doesn't look better. > > Sorry, I'm not familiar with 'Denomo'. > I can type, so using Lilypad wasn't hard. Learning to read the notes > was the hard part for me ;-) , but that's probably something a music > teacher would encourage. > > best, > -tim > > > Christian Einfeldt wrote: > >> hi >> >> On 9/11/07, *Tim Born* > > wrote: >> >> I wouldn't be confused with a musician, but Lilypond typesets really >> gorgeous scores. >> >> >> If I'm not mistaken, GNU Denomo is a GUI front end for Lilypond, is >> that right? >> >> When I was creating sheet music for my kids I used it. Not hard, >> but >> not WYSIWYG either. >> But the results are stunning! >> >> >> Good to know. Why were the results stunning? Can you say a bit >> more? Anything that will help me "sell" this app to the teacher >> would be welcome. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I have a cheap desktop PC computer loaded with freely available audio and video software from Stanford University's Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics. One of the applications is called, Rosegarden4. A child can sit and open the application. She can load a midi file, click and listen to the tune. She could play a tune on her kazoo, record it, and play it back as she listens. She can then click on an icon, and bring up the tune as a musical score and change one or more of the notes, then play her new tune. She can also click on an icon/menu, and select an instrument of her choice. She can then listen to her tune as a piano, or trumpet, or whatever. She might want to create her own music by entering notes on a blank score, select an instrument, and see how it sounds. Like a typical songwriter, she might use a virtual keyboard to pick out notes on that keyboard and see them appear in the accompanying scoresheet. The child can learn to read/write music with immediate feedback at play. When she is happy with her tune, she can add other instruments, eventually gaining a musical score that has the sound of an orchestra. Finally, that tune is printed using Lilypad, possibly the world's finest and most professional musical scoresheet software. What's interesting to note, I think, is the fact that Rosegarden4 is designed and created for the professional. Professionals demand editing software that does remarkable things automagically, to save the professional time and effort, and allow them to concentrate on the content, the creation, the innovation. That means, it allows a child to point and click and learn how to use the software. As she progresses, she adds new features she discovers, and her expertise level is increased. At some point, she learns enough features to compete with her professional colleagues and mentors. :) I would encourage anyone to check out http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ for freely available audio and video software for their classroom. I would also recommend they make sure their kids get exposed to the Rosegarden4 tutorials. Tom From matrimble at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 02:33:28 2007 From: matrimble at gmail.com (Mark Trimble) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:33:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Only Konqueror Works Message-ID: <17b895960709111933m375f3abfx9e602b70a5594d8@mail.gmail.com> I'm perplexed by a problem I'm encountering in K12LTSP fc6. Konqueror browses the web without a problem with its proxy settings set to "Direct Connection to Internet", while Mozilla Firefox fails to function with the same setting. If I change Firefox's proxy settings to "Automatic Discovery of Proxy", it will usually load Google, but nothing else afterwards. Changing "System:Preferences:Network Proxy" from Direct to Manual or Automatic doesn't appear to make a difference. Yum isn't successful connecting to the Internet either. Why would Konqueror work, but nothing else? Regards, Mark From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Sep 12 07:29:16 2007 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:29:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software In-Reply-To: <4b5781040709111547r1c100d55tbab691b6fc93b6aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b5781040709111547r1c100d55tbab691b6fc93b6aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709120829.17450.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 11 September 2007 23:47, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > > Our public middle school has just hired a music teacher for the very first > time. The teacher would like to use computers to do music notation and > editing. We are going to be running this software over an LTSP thin client > network. She wants to "teach students to read treble and bass clef music > notation and to understand simple rhythmic patterns. She would like > quizzes and tests and self correction. We briefly deployed Rosegarden with excellent results. When the new head of music started, he insisted that Apple MACs and Garageband was the only solution; the ususal case of not daring to step outside familiar territory. MuseScore has an excellent review in the latest issue of Linux Format. It's KDE based which would be an advantage at our school. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Sep 12 11:44:55 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:44:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Only Konqueror Works In-Reply-To: <17b895960709111933m375f3abfx9e602b70a5594d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <17b895960709111933m375f3abfx9e602b70a5594d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E7D137.4090705@cmosnetworks.com> Mark Trimble wrote: > I'm perplexed by a problem I'm encountering in K12LTSP fc6. Konqueror > browses the web without a problem with its proxy settings set to > "Direct Connection to Internet", while Mozilla Firefox fails to > function with the same setting. If I change Firefox's proxy settings > to "Automatic Discovery of Proxy", it will usually load Google, but > nothing else afterwards. Changing "System:Preferences:Network Proxy" > from Direct to Manual or Automatic doesn't appear to make a > difference. > > Yum isn't successful connecting to the Internet either. > > Why would Konqueror work, but nothing else? > > Try traceroute www.yahoo.com and see what happens. UNIX/GNU traceroute uses one of the high UDP ports. If that works, then try telnetting (from a terminal) to www.yahoo.com on TCP 80. I suspest that this second step won't work. Any other boxes (UNIX, GNU/Linux, Mac, whatever) that can Web surf on the same IP subnet that the K12LTSP server's sitting on? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I noticed that someone else had the same problem and resolved it by turning the firewall off (https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-April/msg00012.html), which is something I'd rather not do. The trusted services are HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, and SMTP. I also saw something about chkconfig --level 345 transparent-proxing on at: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-August/msg00172.html I would try it out but I am not sure how to reset the settings back to what I originally had, just in case I mess something up or it doesn't work or understand the chkconfig --list | grep prox output. Is there a way to fix this? As you can tell, I'm new to Linux. _________________________________________________________________ Enter to win a night a VIP night out at TIFF http://redcarpet.sympatico.msn.ca/ From thewhitmers at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 13:50:13 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:50:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/12/07, jones yeates wrote: > > I have a K12LTSP server up and running off of Fedora Core 5. We are using > a > floppy disk to boot onto the Linux server, and it is working well. We > have > Internet connection as long as the clients boot in Linux. > > When we take the floppy out, the clients boot up in Windows. However, the > clients can't get access out of the LAN. The server (acting like a > router) > isn't letting the clients through. > > I've tried changing the /etc/sysctl.conf file's line for ip forwarding: > net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 > Then I typed: /etc/init.d/net.eth0 > Everything started up fine. Still no luck. > > I also have nat running and it seems to be working fine as well (as far as > I > can tell). > > There is a firewall, and I'd like to keep it on. I noticed that someone > else had the same problem and resolved it by turning the firewall off > (https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-April/msg00012.html), which > is > something I'd rather not do. The trusted services are HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, > and > SMTP. > > I also saw something about > chkconfig --level 345 transparent-proxing on > at: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-August/msg00172.html > > I would try it out but I am not sure how to reset the settings back to > what > I originally had, just in case I mess something up or it doesn't work or > understand the chkconfig --list | grep prox output. > > Is there a way to fix this? As you can tell, I'm new to Linux. Try the following at a command prompt (as root): service nat start David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org personal email: thewhitmers at gmail.com school email: david.whitmer at cshk12.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm using K12LTSP 5.0EL -Rob From matrimble at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 14:57:04 2007 From: matrimble at gmail.com (Mark Trimble) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:57:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Only Konqueror Works In-Reply-To: <46E7D137.4090705@cmosnetworks.com> References: <17b895960709111933m375f3abfx9e602b70a5594d8@mail.gmail.com> <46E7D137.4090705@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <17b895960709120757i164a8472g5e07eb300b2ae9f@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Terrell. It turned out my primary dns entry was wrong, which definitely accounts for the problems. I'm still a little confused, though, why Konqueror worked at all! Cheers, Mark On 9/12/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > Mark Trimble wrote: > > I'm perplexed by a problem I'm encountering in K12LTSP fc6. Konqueror > browses the web without a problem with its proxy settings set to > "Direct Connection to Internet", while Mozilla Firefox fails to > function with the same setting. If I change Firefox's proxy settings > to "Automatic Discovery of Proxy", it will usually load Google, but > nothing else afterwards. Changing "System:Preferences:Network Proxy" > from Direct to Manual or Automatic doesn't appear to make a > difference. > > Yum isn't successful connecting to the Internet either. > > Why would Konqueror work, but nothing else? > > Try traceroute www.yahoo.com and see what happens. UNIX/GNU traceroute > uses one of the high UDP ports. If that works, then try telnetting (from a > terminal) to www.yahoo.com on TCP 80. I suspest that this second step > won't work. 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However, my music teacher *really* wants Finale. Has anyone tried using wine to enable Finale on Linux? Thanks-- _______________________________ Sonja Gonzalez Director of Technology Ellis School 432 Main Street Fremont, NH 03044 603.895.2511 x603 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Woolley" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:29:16 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software On Tuesday 11 September 2007 23:47, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > > Our public middle school has just hired a music teacher for the very first > time. The teacher would like to use computers to do music notation and > editing. We are going to be running this software over an LTSP thin client > network. She wants to "teach students to read treble and bass clef music > notation and to understand simple rhythmic patterns. She would like > quizzes and tests and self correction. We briefly deployed Rosegarden with excellent results. When the new head of music started, he insisted that Apple MACs and Garageband was the only solution; the ususal case of not daring to step outside familiar territory. MuseScore has an excellent review in the latest issue of Linux Format. It's KDE based which would be an advantage at our school. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Wed Sep 12 16:56:17 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:56:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software In-Reply-To: <16259403.58371189615576406.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> References: <16259403.58371189615576406.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Message-ID: <46E81A31.2030000@bio-chemvalve.com> My advice would be to calculate the cost of all the Finale licenses, and then ask the music teacher if she would rather use free software and spend the money on musical instruments or some other physical items. -Rob Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > This is a great thread... thanks for all of the ideas! However, my music teacher *really* wants Finale. Has anyone tried using wine to enable Finale on Linux? > > Thanks-- > > _______________________________ > Sonja Gonzalez > Director of Technology > Ellis School > 432 Main Street > Fremont, NH 03044 > 603.895.2511 x603 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Woolley" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:29:16 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software > > On Tuesday 11 September 2007 23:47, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > >> Our public middle school has just hired a music teacher for the very first >> time. The teacher would like to use computers to do music notation and >> editing. We are going to be running this software over an LTSP thin client >> network. She wants to "teach students to read treble and bass clef music >> notation and to understand simple rhythmic patterns. She would like >> quizzes and tests and self correction. >> > > We briefly deployed Rosegarden with excellent results. When the new head of > music started, he insisted that Apple MACs and Garageband was the only > solution; the ususal case of not daring to step outside familiar territory. > > MuseScore has an excellent review in the latest issue of Linux Format. It's > KDE based which would be an advantage at our school. > From sgonzalez at sau83.org Wed Sep 12 17:05:53 2007 From: sgonzalez at sau83.org (Sonja Gonzalez) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software In-Reply-To: <46E81A31.2030000@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <20984967.58701189616753703.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> The student version of Finale actually is free, and that's all she needs. She doesn't need the features of the "paid for" version. _______________________________ Sonja Gonzalez Director of Technology Ellis School 432 Main Street Fremont, NH 03044 603.895.2511 x603 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Owens" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:56:17 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software My advice would be to calculate the cost of all the Finale licenses, and then ask the music teacher if she would rather use free software and spend the money on musical instruments or some other physical items. -Rob Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > This is a great thread... thanks for all of the ideas! However, my music teacher *really* wants Finale. Has anyone tried using wine to enable Finale on Linux? > > Thanks-- > > _______________________________ > Sonja Gonzalez > Director of Technology > Ellis School > 432 Main Street > Fremont, NH 03044 > 603.895.2511 x603 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Woolley" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:29:16 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software > > On Tuesday 11 September 2007 23:47, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > >> Our public middle school has just hired a music teacher for the very first >> time. The teacher would like to use computers to do music notation and >> editing. We are going to be running this software over an LTSP thin client >> network. She wants to "teach students to read treble and bass clef music >> notation and to understand simple rhythmic patterns. She would like >> quizzes and tests and self correction. >> > > We briefly deployed Rosegarden with excellent results. When the new head of > music started, he insisted that Apple MACs and Garageband was the only > solution; the ususal case of not daring to step outside familiar territory. > > MuseScore has an excellent review in the latest issue of Linux Format. It's > KDE based which would be an advantage at our school. > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tompoe at fngi.net Wed Sep 12 17:47:59 2007 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:47:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software In-Reply-To: <20984967.58701189616753703.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> References: <20984967.58701189616753703.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Message-ID: <46E8264F.2060207@fngi.net> Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > The student version of Finale actually is free, and that's all she needs. She doesn't need the features of the "paid for" version. > > _______________________________ > Sonja Gonzalez > Director of Technology > Ellis School > 432 Main Street > Fremont, NH 03044 > 603.895.2511 x603 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Owens" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:56:17 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software > > My advice would be to calculate the cost of all the Finale licenses, and > then ask the music teacher if she would rather use free software and > spend the money on musical instruments or some other physical items. > > -Rob > > Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > >> This is a great thread... thanks for all of the ideas! However, my music teacher *really* wants Finale. Has anyone tried using wine to enable Finale on Linux? >> >> Thanks-- >> >> _______________________________ >> Sonja Gonzalez >> Director of Technology >> Ellis School >> 432 Main Street >> Fremont, NH 03044 >> 603.895.2511 x603 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Woolley" >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:29:16 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software >> >> On Tuesday 11 September 2007 23:47, Christian Einfeldt wrote: >> >> >>> Our public middle school has just hired a music teacher for the very first >>> time. The teacher would like to use computers to do music notation and >>> editing. We are going to be running this software over an LTSP thin client >>> network. She wants to "teach students to read treble and bass clef music >>> notation and to understand simple rhythmic patterns. She would like >>> quizzes and tests and self correction. >>> >>> >> We briefly deployed Rosegarden with excellent results. When the new head of >> music started, he insisted that Apple MACs and Garageband was the only >> solution; the ususal case of not daring to step outside familiar territory. >> >> MuseScore has an excellent review in the latest issue of Linux Format. It's >> KDE based which would be an advantage at our school. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > And, of course, she can explain to the parents why: 1] They must purchase Finale if they want their child to go beyond the token introduction she is about to offer them. 2] They will then purchase every update to keep their child current with state-of-the-art, or have their child use obsolete software 3] She refuses to use the same software that major recording studios, major film studios, and major broadcast networks use (Rosegarden4). From tim at litwiller.net Wed Sep 12 17:42:37 2007 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:42:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software In-Reply-To: <20984967.58701189616753703.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> References: <20984967.58701189616753703.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Message-ID: <46E8250D.40602@litwiller.net> Where do you find the student version free? I just called our supplier and they say it is $350 per copy for the student version and $600 each for the regular version. Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > The student version of Finale actually is free, and that's all she needs. She doesn't need the features of the "paid for" version. > > _______________________________ > Sonja Gonzalez > Director of Technology > Ellis School > 432 Main Street > Fremont, NH 03044 > 603.895.2511 x603 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Owens" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:56:17 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software > > My advice would be to calculate the cost of all the Finale licenses, and > then ask the music teacher if she would rather use free software and > spend the money on musical instruments or some other physical items. > > -Rob > > Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > >> This is a great thread... thanks for all of the ideas! However, my music teacher *really* wants Finale. Has anyone tried using wine to enable Finale on Linux? >> >> Thanks-- >> >> _______________________________ >> Sonja Gonzalez >> Director of Technology >> Ellis School >> 432 Main Street >> Fremont, NH 03044 >> 603.895.2511 x603 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Woolley" >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:29:16 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software >> >> On Tuesday 11 September 2007 23:47, Christian Einfeldt wrote: >> >> >>> Our public middle school has just hired a music teacher for the very first >>> time. The teacher would like to use computers to do music notation and >>> editing. We are going to be running this software over an LTSP thin client >>> network. She wants to "teach students to read treble and bass clef music >>> notation and to understand simple rhythmic patterns. She would like >>> quizzes and tests and self correction. >>> >>> >> We briefly deployed Rosegarden with excellent results. When the new head of >> music started, he insisted that Apple MACs and Garageband was the only >> solution; the ususal case of not daring to step outside familiar territory. >> >> MuseScore has an excellent review in the latest issue of Linux Format. It's >> KDE based which would be an advantage at our school. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From sgonzalez at sau83.org Wed Sep 12 18:07:52 2007 From: sgonzalez at sau83.org (Sonja Gonzalez) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software In-Reply-To: <46E8250D.40602@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <7802823.59541189620472861.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Sorry, I was incomplete (I don't know much about this software.) The free version is Finale Notepad, and that's what she wants. _______________________________ Sonja Gonzalez Director of Technology Ellis School 432 Main Street Fremont, NH 03044 603.895.2511 x603 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Litwiller" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:42:37 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software Where do you find the student version free? I just called our supplier and they say it is $350 per copy for the student version and $600 each for the regular version. Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > The student version of Finale actually is free, and that's all she needs. She doesn't need the features of the "paid for" version. > > _______________________________ > Sonja Gonzalez > Director of Technology > Ellis School > 432 Main Street > Fremont, NH 03044 > 603.895.2511 x603 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Owens" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:56:17 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software > > My advice would be to calculate the cost of all the Finale licenses, and > then ask the music teacher if she would rather use free software and > spend the money on musical instruments or some other physical items. > > -Rob > > Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > >> This is a great thread... thanks for all of the ideas! However, my music teacher *really* wants Finale. Has anyone tried using wine to enable Finale on Linux? >> >> Thanks-- >> >> _______________________________ >> Sonja Gonzalez >> Director of Technology >> Ellis School >> 432 Main Street >> Fremont, NH 03044 >> 603.895.2511 x603 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Woolley" >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:29:16 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software >> >> On Tuesday 11 September 2007 23:47, Christian Einfeldt wrote: >> >> >>> Our public middle school has just hired a music teacher for the very first >>> time. The teacher would like to use computers to do music notation and >>> editing. We are going to be running this software over an LTSP thin client >>> network. She wants to "teach students to read treble and bass clef music >>> notation and to understand simple rhythmic patterns. She would like >>> quizzes and tests and self correction. >>> >>> >> We briefly deployed Rosegarden with excellent results. When the new head of >> music started, he insisted that Apple MACs and Garageband was the only >> solution; the ususal case of not daring to step outside familiar territory. >> >> MuseScore has an excellent review in the latest issue of Linux Format. It's >> KDE based which would be an advantage at our school. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Sep 12 18:46:26 2007 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:46:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E7EDB1.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> >>> "David Whitmer" 9/12/2007 8:50 AM >>> On 9/12/07, jones yeates wrote: > > I have a K12LTSP server up and running off of Fedora Core 5. We are using > a > floppy disk to boot onto the Linux server, and it is working well. We > have > Internet connection as long as the clients boot in Linux. > > When we take the floppy out, the clients boot up in Windows. However, the > clients can't get access out of the LAN. The server (acting like a > router) > isn't letting the clients through. > > I've tried changing the /etc/sysctl.conf file's line for ip forwarding: > net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 > Then I typed: /etc/init.d/net.eth0 > Everything started up fine. Still no luck. > > I also have nat running and it seems to be working fine as well (as far as > I > can tell). > > There is a firewall, and I'd like to keep it on. I noticed that someone > else had the same problem and resolved it by turning the firewall off > (https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-April/msg00012.html), which > is > something I'd rather not do. The trusted services are HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, > and > SMTP. > > I also saw something about > chkconfig --level 345 transparent-proxing on > at: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-August/msg00172.html > > I would try it out but I am not sure how to reset the settings back to > what > I originally had, just in case I mess something up or it doesn't work or > understand the chkconfig --list | grep prox output. > > Is there a way to fix this? As you can tell, I'm new to Linux. Try the following at a command prompt (as root): service nat start David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org personal email: thewhitmers at gmail.com school email: david.whitmer at cshk12.org Then if that works (it likely will) then at the prompt type: chkconfig nat on shouldn't happen again. Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us From scott at hosef.org Wed Sep 12 19:29:07 2007 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:29:07 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software In-Reply-To: <7802823.59541189620472861.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> References: <7802823.59541189620472861.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Message-ID: <46E83E03.1000400@hosef.org> This does not let you edit music in the classical way, but you can edit music for today's youth. http://terminatorx.org/ "TerminatorX is a realtime audio synthesizer that allows you to "scratch" on digitally sampled audio data (*.wav, *.au, *.ogg, *.mp3, etc.) the way hiphop-DJs scratch on vinyl records. It features multiple turntables, realtime effects (buit-in as well as LADSPA plugin effects), a sequencer and MIDI interface - all accessible through an easy-to-use gtk+ GUI." --scott From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 12 19:44:09 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:44:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Help adding a .diff to mozilla source Message-ID: <20070912192600.M96105@winonacotter.org> I have been trying to find a way to prevent Firefox from caching pixmaps to X, which can in turn use up all available memory on a thin client and cause it to freeze. I have filed this bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395260 under mozilla and one under ubuntu to try and get this resolved. The last post to bug 395260 referred me to bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296818 (very old) which has appeared to result in a possible fix. The fix is this .diff file: http://primates.ximian.com/~federico/misc/moz-images-20070907.diff I assume I need to download the firefox source code from ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0.0.6/source and then somehow patch the source with the .diff file. I have tried a few things but just get errors. Could anyone tell me how to do this? Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From einfeldt at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 20:54:18 2007 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:54:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software In-Reply-To: <7802823.59541189620472861.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> References: <46E8250D.40602@litwiller.net> <7802823.59541189620472861.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Message-ID: <4b5781040709121354h1072f9f3g8c12b79bc46e7352@mail.gmail.com> hi On 9/12/07, Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > > Sorry, I was incomplete (I don't know much about this software.) The free > version is Finale Notepad, and that's what she wants. Just a few minutes ago, I gave our music teacher a free computer with Edubuntu Linux, running Rosegarden, NoteEdit, GNU Denomo, and GNU Solfege. She is going to take the computer home and experiment with it. She originally asked the school to spend money on a proprietary license that would have cost $80 for 14 seats, or nearly $1,000.00. Now she has decided that money would be better spent on instruments, and she is going to try to run those open source software music programs across our Edubuntu thin client network. Sonja, maybe you would be interested in contacting one of these organizations to find out about receiving free computers for your school. There might even be a program like this near you in Fremont, NH. http://www.freegeek.org/ http://www.accrc.org Good luck. -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point _______________________________ > Sonja Gonzalez > Director of Technology > Ellis School > 432 Main Street > Fremont, NH 03044 > 603.895.2511 x603 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Litwiller" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:42:37 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software > > Where do you find the student version free? I just called our supplier > and they say it is $350 per copy for the student version and $600 each > for the regular version. > > Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > > The student version of Finale actually is free, and that's all she > needs. She doesn't need the features of the "paid for" version. > > > > _______________________________ > > Sonja Gonzalez > > Director of Technology > > Ellis School > > 432 Main Street > > Fremont, NH 03044 > > 603.895.2511 x603 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rob Owens" > > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." < > k12osn at redhat.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:56:17 PM (GMT-0500) > America/New_York > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software > > > > My advice would be to calculate the cost of all the Finale licenses, and > > then ask the music teacher if she would rather use free software and > > spend the money on musical instruments or some other physical items. > > > > -Rob > > > > Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > > > >> This is a great thread... thanks for all of the ideas! However, my > music teacher *really* wants Finale. Has anyone tried using wine to enable > Finale on Linux? > >> > >> Thanks-- > >> > >> _______________________________ > >> Sonja Gonzalez > >> Director of Technology > >> Ellis School > >> 432 Main Street > >> Fremont, NH 03044 > >> 603.895.2511 x603 > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Martin Woolley" > >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." < > k12osn at redhat.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:29:16 AM (GMT-0500) > America/New_York > >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software > >> > >> On Tuesday 11 September 2007 23:47, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Our public middle school has just hired a music teacher for the very > first > >>> time. The teacher would like to use computers to do music notation > and > >>> editing. We are going to be running this software over an LTSP thin > client > >>> network. She wants to "teach students to read treble and bass clef > music > >>> notation and to understand simple rhythmic patterns. She would like > >>> quizzes and tests and self correction. > >>> > >>> > >> We briefly deployed Rosegarden with excellent results. When the new > head of > >> music started, he insisted that Apple MACs and Garageband was the only > >> solution; the ususal case of not daring to step outside familiar > territory. > >> > >> MuseScore has an excellent review in the latest issue of Linux Format. > It's > >> KDE based which would be an advantage at our school. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Sep 12 22:32:49 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:32:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software In-Reply-To: <4b5781040709121354h1072f9f3g8c12b79bc46e7352@mail.gmail.com> References: <46E8250D.40602@litwiller.net> <7802823.59541189620472861.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> <4b5781040709121354h1072f9f3g8c12b79bc46e7352@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E86911.8090907@cmosnetworks.com> Sonja, As a systems engineer in a school system, I can only give you this advice for this automaton masquerading as a teacher: At some point, you've got to be willing to tell this imbecile "no, sorry, it's not supported by our student systems." If this teacher wants this "Finale", then let *her* purchase the Windows or Mac computers on which to run it...out of *her* *personal* wallet...if she deems it so "essential" to education. You'll see then just how important that one piece of software becomes to her so-called educational mission. Maybe some of you think this is harsh, but sometimes you simply have to do that. You must say no, sometimes. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Christian Einfeldt wrote: > hi > > On 9/12/07, *Sonja Gonzalez* > wrote: > > Sorry, I was incomplete (I don't know much about this software.) > The free version is Finale Notepad, and that's what she wants. > > > Just a few minutes ago, I gave our music teacher a free computer with > Edubuntu Linux, running Rosegarden, NoteEdit, GNU Denomo, and GNU > Solfege. She is going to take the computer home and experiment with > it. She originally asked the school to spend money on a proprietary > license that would have cost $80 for 14 seats, or nearly $1, 000.00. > Now she has decided that money would be better spent on instruments, > and she is going to try to run those open source software music > programs across our Edubuntu thin client network. > > Sonja, maybe you would be interested in contacting one of these > organizations to find out about receiving free computers for your > school. There might even be a program like this near you in Fremont, NH. > > http://www.freegeek.org/ > > http://www.accrc.org > > Good luck. > > -- > Christian Einfeldt, > Producer, The Digital Tipping Point > > > _______________________________ > Sonja Gonzalez > Director of Technology > Ellis School > 432 Main Street > Fremont, NH 03044 > 603.895.2511 x603 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Litwiller" > > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:42:37 PM (GMT-0500) > America/New_York > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software > > Where do you find the student version free? I just called our > supplier > and they say it is $350 per copy for the student version and $600 each > for the regular version. > > Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > > The student version of Finale actually is free, and that's all > she needs. She doesn't need the features of the "paid for" version. > > > > _______________________________ > > Sonja Gonzalez > > Director of Technology > > Ellis School > > 432 Main Street > > Fremont, NH 03044 > > 603.895.2511 x603 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rob Owens" < rowens at bio-chemvalve.com > > > > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:56:17 PM (GMT-0500) > America/New_York > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software > > > > My advice would be to calculate the cost of all the Finale > licenses, and > > then ask the music teacher if she would rather use free software > and > > spend the money on musical instruments or some other physical items. > > > > -Rob > > > > Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > > > >> This is a great thread... thanks for all of the ideas! However, > my music teacher *really* wants Finale. Has anyone tried using > wine to enable Finale on Linux? > >> > >> Thanks-- > >> > >> _______________________________ > >> Sonja Gonzalez > >> Director of Technology > >> Ellis School > >> 432 Main Street > >> Fremont, NH 03044 > >> 603.895.2511 x603 > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Martin Woolley" > > >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:29:16 AM (GMT-0500) > America/New_York > >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FOSS music notation and editing software > >> > >> On Tuesday 11 September 2007 23:47, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Our public middle school has just hired a music teacher for > the very first > >>> time. The teacher would like to use computers to do music > notation and > >>> editing. We are going to be running this software over an > LTSP thin client > >>> network. She wants to "teach students to read treble and bass > clef music > >>> notation and to understand simple rhythmic patterns. She > would like > >>> quizzes and tests and self correction. > >>> > >>> > >> We briefly deployed Rosegarden with excellent results. When the > new head of > >> music started, he insisted that Apple MACs and Garageband was > the only > >> solution; the ususal case of not daring to step outside > familiar territory. > >> > >> MuseScore has an excellent review in the latest issue of Linux > Format. It's > >> KDE based which would be an advantage at our school. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf20709121811i2a615e16xc1e3e5936cf97f07@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf20709121811i2a615e16xc1e3e5936cf97f07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E896DF.9090903@paasda.org> freenx... yum install freenx-server I think is the correct package.. search the archives for it...fairly simple to setup... and then from the folks at NOMACHINE....grab the NXclient... fastest way with GUI anyway... --Huck Ken Johnson wrote: > I need to support a K12LTSP classroom in a neighboring state. > > Is it possible (and if so, how) to remotely, with permission, access > this K12LTSP server. Ideally, I need to be able to remotely, see and > control the screen like teachertool allows you to, locally. > > Could I run an application like fl_teachertool or Open Office remotely > to respond to the Teacher's support requests? > > What would it take to do this? I am running K12LTSP 6 > > Thank you, > > Ken Johnson > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Thu Sep 13 02:04:19 2007 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:04:19 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server Message-ID: I tried: service nat start and service nat restart It started up fine. It still didn't work. _________________________________________________________________ Show Your Messenger Buddies How You Really Feel http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Sep 13 02:04:28 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:04:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote control - How ? In-Reply-To: <46E896DF.9090903@paasda.org> References: <1eb89cf20709121811i2a615e16xc1e3e5936cf97f07@mail.gmail.com> <46E896DF.9090903@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46E89AAC.3050104@cmosnetworks.com> Good idea. Also, make sure it's tunneled in an SSH session. So, you'll want to allow SSH to that server from your remote IP address. Another option is to have an IPSec VPN gateway at your remote site and use something like VPNC to get into the network. --TP Huck wrote: > freenx... > > yum install freenx-server I think is the correct package.. > > search the archives for it...fairly simple to setup... > > and then from the folks at NOMACHINE....grab the NXclient... > > fastest way with GUI anyway... > > --Huck > > Ken Johnson wrote: >> I need to support a K12LTSP classroom in a neighboring state. >> >> Is it possible (and if so, how) to remotely, with permission, access >> this K12LTSP server. Ideally, I need to be able to remotely, see and >> control the screen like teachertool allows you to, locally. >> >> Could I run an application like fl_teachertool or Open Office >> remotely to respond to the Teacher's support requests? >> >> What would it take to do this? I am running K12LTSP 6 >> >> Thank you, >> >> Ken Johnson >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From thewhitmers at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 02:49:19 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:49:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/12/07, jones yeates wrote: > > I tried: > service nat start > and > service nat restart > > It started up fine. It still didn't work. Are your Windows computers able to ping computers that are on the other side of your K12LTSP server by their IP address? Knowing this would help with determining whether you're having a routing problem or a DNS lookup problem with your Windows computers. David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org personal email: thewhitmers at gmail.com school email: david.whitmer at cshk12.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 08:17:44 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:17:44 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote control - How ? In-Reply-To: <46E89AAC.3050104@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1eb89cf20709121811i2a615e16xc1e3e5936cf97f07@mail.gmail.com> <46E896DF.9090903@paasda.org> <46E89AAC.3050104@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: The latest version of nomachine's free server has a feature called shadow desktop which allows you to log in to a desktop that already has a logged in user. Both users can controlk the mouse etc. No machine only allows 2 concurrent users, but it sounds like it will serve your purpose. I don't think Freenx has the shadow desktop feature. On 13/09/2007, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > Good idea. Also, make sure it's tunneled in an SSH session. So, you'll > want to allow SSH to that server from your remote IP address. > > Another option is to have an IPSec VPN gateway at your remote site and > use something like VPNC to get into the network. > > --TP > > Huck wrote: > > freenx... > > > > yum install freenx-server I think is the correct package.. > > > > search the archives for it...fairly simple to setup... > > > > and then from the folks at NOMACHINE....grab the NXclient... > > > > fastest way with GUI anyway... > > > > --Huck > > > > Ken Johnson wrote: > >> I need to support a K12LTSP classroom in a neighboring state. > >> > >> Is it possible (and if so, how) to remotely, with permission, access > >> this K12LTSP server. Ideally, I need to be able to remotely, see and > >> control the screen like teachertool allows you to, locally. > >> > >> Could I run an application like fl_teachertool or Open Office > >> remotely to respond to the Teacher's support requests? > >> > >> What would it take to do this? 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URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 12:36:11 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:36:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] disaster recovery: samab/ldap Message-ID: <9bd317560709130536x661e5d3ep44bbb020e208325b@mail.gmail.com> So this what i get for not insisting on a BDC. The samba ldap servers nfs connection is really flaky and I'd like to just have it handle authentication until i have time to take it down and go over it. I've moved /home back to the k12 server and changed /etc/fstab. But I can only log in as root. It's been too long since I've thought about how samba ldap works. What do I have to do to make this work. I've got a feeling it's on the samba ldap server. little help? Thanks in advance, Peter From william at fragakis.com Thu Sep 13 14:07:58 2007 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:07:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote control - How ? In-Reply-To: <20070913123811.46CCB7302A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070913123811.46CCB7302A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1189692478.28372.78.camel@server.ltsp> FreeNX plus fl_TeacherTool will do this as well. I remember remotely logging into our system to clean up some desktops and watching a student editing an essay. I resisted the urge to send the message "Tux sees all - use its not it's on line 4". For simplicity, I'd FreeNX into a gateway server and then VNC to the individual servers within the network more out of laziness so I didn't have to set up the various keys. I was able to manage about 10 servers that way. Teachers love it when they email you a problem a particular student is having and you respond in 10 minutes with a resolution. regards, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 08:38 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 17 > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:17:44 +1200 > From: "Krsnendu dasa" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Remote control - How ? > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The latest version of nomachine's free server has a feature called > shadow > desktop which allows you to log in to a desktop that already has a > logged > in user. Both users can controlk the mouse etc. No machine only allows > 2 > concurrent users, but it sounds like it will serve your purpose. I > don't > think Freenx has the shadow desktop feature. > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 14:06:51 2007 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:06:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: disaster recovery: samab/ldap In-Reply-To: <9bd317560709130536x661e5d3ep44bbb020e208325b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560709130536x661e5d3ep44bbb020e208325b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560709130706o65222d30t371096c2ced36a29@mail.gmail.com> In the mele, the ldap database got corrupted. had to slappadd -l backup.ldiff. oy! what a morning! On 9/13/07, Peter Hartmann wrote: > So this what i get for not insisting on a BDC. The samba ldap servers > nfs connection is really flaky and I'd like to just have it handle > authentication until i have time to take it down and go over it. I've > moved /home back to the k12 server and changed /etc/fstab. But I > can only log in as root. It's been too long since I've thought about > how samba ldap works. What do I have to do to make this work. I've > got a feeling it's on the samba ldap server. little help? > > Thanks in advance, > Peter > From peter at hartmanncomputer.com Thu Sep 13 15:19:06 2007 From: peter at hartmanncomputer.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:19:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: disaster recovery: samab/ldap In-Reply-To: <9bd317560709130706o65222d30t371096c2ced36a29@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560709130536x661e5d3ep44bbb020e208325b@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560709130706o65222d30t371096c2ced36a29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560709130819i6ca1638fjbe65cadd56dcbfcb@mail.gmail.com> Ok i have real question now: does the smbdap installer work on centos 4? the fc4 machine that we were using is pretty much past tense. :( Thanks, Peter On 9/13/07, Peter Hartmann wrote: > In the mele, the ldap database got corrupted. had to slappadd -l > backup.ldiff. > > oy! what a morning! > > On 9/13/07, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > So this what i get for not insisting on a BDC. The samba ldap servers > > nfs connection is really flaky and I'd like to just have it handle > > authentication until i have time to take it down and go over it. I've > > moved /home back to the k12 server and changed /etc/fstab. But I > > can only log in as root. It's been too long since I've thought about > > how samba ldap works. What do I have to do to make this work. I've > > got a feeling it's on the samba ldap server. little help? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Peter > > > From peter at beetlebolt.com Thu Sep 13 19:48:52 2007 From: peter at beetlebolt.com (peter) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:48:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp commercial support Message-ID: <46E99424.6000503@beetlebolt.com> Hi. I'm working for an nyc public school and I'm interested in learning more about ltsp. For one thing, my school has lots of money and I have little time so I'm interested in hiring a company or contractor to sell and support ltsp, not doing it myself. I would particularly like to visit a school that is using this software so I can see exactly what I could expect. Can anybody tell me where I go or who to call? I'd be more than willing to travel to Connecticut, New Jersey, or Philadelphia to see a working ltsp system. -peter From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 20:39:28 2007 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:39:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp commercial support In-Reply-To: <46E99424.6000503@beetlebolt.com> References: <46E99424.6000503@beetlebolt.com> Message-ID: Not quite Philadelphia, but in Newark, Delaware, about another 45 miles from Philli, NCS has been using LTSP for 5 years now. As a charter school, we are actually get quite a few visitors wanting to see how things are done, so feel free to drop by. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Del On 9/13/07, peter wrote: > > Hi. I'm working for an nyc public school and I'm interested in learning > more about ltsp. For one thing, my school has lots of money and I have > little time so I'm interested in hiring a company or contractor to sell > and support ltsp, not doing it myself. I would particularly like to > visit a school that is using this software so I can see exactly what I > could expect. Can anybody tell me where I go or who to call? I'd be more > than willing to travel to Connecticut, New Jersey, or Philadelphia to > see a working ltsp system. > -peter > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm working for an nyc public school and I'm interested in learning > more about ltsp. For one thing, my school has lots of money and I have > little time so I'm interested in hiring a company or contractor to sell > and support ltsp, not doing it myself. I would particularly like to > visit a school that is using this software so I can see exactly what I > could expect. Can anybody tell me where I go or who to call? I'd be more > than willing to travel to Connecticut, New Jersey, or Philadelphia to > see a working ltsp system. > -peter > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Sep 13 21:37:51 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:37:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp commercial support In-Reply-To: <46E9A422.2020505@gmail.com> References: <46E99424.6000503@beetlebolt.com> <46E9A422.2020505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E9ADAF.4040301@paasda.org> I'll second Symbio...even with phone/email support they are great...haven't had them in person..cuz of being on the opposite side of the world ;) --Huck Edward Holcroft wrote: > I worked with the guys from Symbio Technologies in New Rochelle a couple > of years back and can honestly say they really knew what they doing. > They have a special interest in schools. Check out their website at > www.thesymbiont.com. If they can't help I'm sure they'll be able to put > you in touch with someone. > > Another website you could look at for contact details, working out of > Vermont is www.whitenitro.com Also had the pleasure of working with them > in the past. They focus exclusively on open source in the education sector. > > ... and you certainly don't have to leave NYC to see LTSP in action in a > school. > > cheers > ed > > peter wrote: >> Hi. I'm working for an nyc public school and I'm interested in learning >> more about ltsp. For one thing, my school has lots of money and I have >> little time so I'm interested in hiring a company or contractor to sell >> and support ltsp, not doing it myself. I would particularly like to >> visit a school that is using this software so I can see exactly what I >> could expect. Can anybody tell me where I go or who to call? I'd be more >> than willing to travel to Connecticut, New Jersey, or Philadelphia to >> see a working ltsp system. >> -peter >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 22:01:31 2007 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:01:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K-12 Open Source Conference October 9 - 11, 2007 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The first K-12 Open Minds conference ( www.openmindsconference.org) is going to be held October 9 - 11, 2007, in Indianapolis, Indiana. The kick-off reception is Tuesday, the 9th, with the regular conference sessions on Wednesday and Thursday, the 10th & 11th. For me, this is the must-attend event of the year relating to Free and Open Source Software in K-12 education. There are more tracks and topics that I already want to see than I will have time to attend. There are currently over 55 planned conference sessions, covering a the use of Linux and Open Source use in classroom, teaching, technical, and leadership aspects. The individual registration fee is $100, or $89 each for groups of three or more. Register on the website or call Anthony Yanez, Registration Coordinator, at 800.940.6039, extension 1348. Holding the conference in Indianapolis has two distinct advantages. The first is that nice hotel rooms are available for under $100/night at the conference location (Sheraton) if you book before the 19th of September. Considering that the last conference I went to, the hotel cost for one night was more than this conference, and three days of hotel, all combined, makes this the bargain of the year. The second benefit is that the conference is being organized by Mike Huffman and Laura Taylor , whose rich credentials in the area of actual implementation of Free and Open Source Software in K-12 education are really unparalleled in the United States. See my interview with them, and an audio recording of their session at NECC 2007, on my EdTechLive.com website. Mike is also preparing blog tags for the sessions, and I'll post on that as soon as we have that information. I hope to see a lot of you there. Wednesday night is free, and it would be fun to have dinner and socialize. Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com www.SteveHargadon.com 916-899-1400 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope to see you all there. -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Director of Technology Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 22:58:34 2007 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:58:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Coordinating for NECC 2008 In-Reply-To: <32827997.774321189721771604.JavaMail.root@zimbra.sacredsf.org> References: <32827997.774321189721771604.JavaMail.root@zimbra.sacredsf.org> Message-ID: On 9/13/07, Hoover Chan wrote: That being said, I noticed that the NECC abstract deadline is coming up > faster than expected. I was wondering what all is being planned for NECC > 2008 as far as Open Source activities. I know NECC has contacted me again, and asked me to chair the Open Source speakers committee, and that we'll have an Open Source "pavilion" again. Given the kinds of questions that frequently come up, I was wondering > whether it might be useful to have an "Install Fest" where we can > demonstrate what it would take to do a basic installation and deployment. > Maybe something where we encourage people to bring their own computers or > laptops where appropriate distro CD's are available at the session to > install? I like the idea. We've never done that before. I don't know if we'd get many takers during the actual conference times, as people are going to be reluctant to monkey with their computers during a conference when they depend on them. :) It's most likely the local folks would maybe be interested, and we could do something in combination with a LUG there. As a related matter, I'm about to do a call for presenters for this years CUE.org show, where we'll have an "Open Source" pavilion as well. 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Doug From vceder at canterburyschool.org Fri Sep 14 03:53:45 2007 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:53:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Coordinating for NECC 2008 In-Reply-To: <32827997.774321189721771604.JavaMail.root@zimbra.sacredsf.org> References: <32827997.774321189721771604.JavaMail.root@zimbra.sacredsf.org> Message-ID: <46EA05C9.6050400@canterburyschool.org> I personally like the idea of some kind of installfest, being a LUG member. Probably in that environment the emphasis might be better put on liveCD's and demos of what you can do with the software - I can't imagine many being willing to "risk" the computer they were traveling with by doing an actual install... (but I would be pleased if I were wrong about that ;-) ) Cheers, Vern Hoover Chan wrote: > I hope you all are surviving the start of school year crunch. I'm > just barely starting to resurface. > > That being said, I noticed that the NECC abstract deadline is coming > up faster than expected. I was wondering what all is being planned > for NECC 2008 as far as Open Source activities. > > Given the kinds of questions that frequently come up, I was wondering > whether it might be useful to have an "Install Fest" where we can > demonstrate what it would take to do a basic installation and > deployment. Maybe something where we encourage people to bring their > own computers or laptops where appropriate distro CD's are available > at the session to install? > > Anyway, just brainstorming some ideas for the conference. > > Thanks. Hope to see you all there. > > > -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan > chan at sacredsf.org Director of Technology Schools of the Sacred Heart > 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For > more info see -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Sep 14 10:44:36 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:44:36 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: disaster recovery: samab/ldap In-Reply-To: <9bd317560709130819i6ca1638fjbe65cadd56dcbfcb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560709130536x661e5d3ep44bbb020e208325b@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560709130706o65222d30t371096c2ced36a29@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560709130819i6ca1638fjbe65cadd56dcbfcb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EA6614.3080509@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Not tried it on CentOS 4 but on 5 it almost works. I've mailed to the list before my note on installing OpenLDAP / Samba3 with CentOS5 and this "should" forfill the requirements of the smbldap installer script & allow it to work, this is one my "To Do" list. Brian Peter Hartmann wrote: > Ok i have real question now: does the smbdap installer work on centos > 4? the fc4 machine that we were using is pretty much past tense. :( > > Thanks, > Peter > > > > On 9/13/07, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> In the mele, the ldap database got corrupted. had to slappadd -l >> backup.ldiff. >> >> oy! what a morning! >> >> On 9/13/07, Peter Hartmann wrote: >>> So this what i get for not insisting on a BDC. The samba ldap servers >>> nfs connection is really flaky and I'd like to just have it handle >>> authentication until i have time to take it down and go over it. I've >>> moved /home back to the k12 server and changed /etc/fstab. But I >>> can only log in as root. It's been too long since I've thought about >>> how samba ldap works. What do I have to do to make this work. I've >>> got a feeling it's on the samba ldap server. little help? >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Peter >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From thewhitmers at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 15:27:10 2007 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:27:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/12/07, David Whitmer wrote: > > > On 9/12/07, jones yeates wrote: > > > > I tried: > > service nat start > > and > > service nat restart > > > > It started up fine. It still didn't work. > > > > Are your Windows computers able to ping computers that are on the other > side of your K12LTSP server by their IP address? > > Knowing this would help with determining whether you're having a routing > problem or a DNS lookup problem with your Windows computers. > Also... Something else for you to check are your settings in " named-k12ltsp.conf". Adding the "forwarders" and "forward only" parameters might help. I know it did at my school. David David Whitmer > Director of Media & Technology > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > personal email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > school email: david.whitmer at cshk12.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pnelson.k12 at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 22:24:55 2007 From: pnelson.k12 at gmail.com (Paul Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:24:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Coordinating for NECC 2008 In-Reply-To: <32827997.774321189721771604.JavaMail.root@zimbra.sacredsf.org> References: <32827997.774321189721771604.JavaMail.root@zimbra.sacredsf.org> Message-ID: <508f42dc0709141524v3a45b082i4f5d60c22110a447@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/07, Hoover Chan wrote: > I hope you all are surviving the start of school year crunch. I'm just barely starting to resurface. > > That being said, I noticed that the NECC abstract deadline is coming up faster than expected. I was wondering what all is being planned for NECC 2008 as far as Open Source activities. > snip... I WILL be at NECC 2008. I'd love to showcase how Drupal can be used to create great web sites for schools. I'd also like to showcase some of the good MAC/Linux/Windows FOSS out there. I'm doing a "Power Publishing, Three for Free" presentation later this year on Inkscape, GIMP and Scribus. I think it's amazing that all three run on all three OSs. I'd also like to showcase some Creative Commons licensed courses for Moodle. I want more schools to create and publish courses and Moodle is a great way to do this. One fun thing we did at a NECC was to have a server, switch, cables and thin-client all piled up on a table. We'd show people the K12LTSP diagram and then time them to see how long it took them to build a working thin-client computer lab. We kept a billboard with the top 5 times for the conference and then gave away the server to the fastest time. Did you know you can build a working thin-client lab in less than a minute? Our server was a small mini-atx case job that was easy to send home with the lucky winner. If all else fails, we could get some local school kids to hand out Linux CDRoms by the Microsoft booth. That's always fun. Driving there was the most fun. http://www.k12ltsp.org/necc/tux.jpg ;-) Paul From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 03:00:33 2007 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:00:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Coordinating for NECC 2008 In-Reply-To: <508f42dc0709141524v3a45b082i4f5d60c22110a447@mail.gmail.com> References: <32827997.774321189721771604.JavaMail.root@zimbra.sacredsf.org> <508f42dc0709141524v3a45b082i4f5d60c22110a447@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92de6c880709142000t3d5cb7e9i2df265ec561ce741@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps we can present Paul with some kind of lifetime achievement award at NECC. Don't tell him, though. --Tom On 9/14/07, Paul Nelson wrote: > On 9/13/07, Hoover Chan wrote: > > I hope you all are surviving the start of school year crunch. I'm just barely starting to resurface. > > > > That being said, I noticed that the NECC abstract deadline is coming up faster than expected. I was wondering what all is being planned for NECC 2008 as far as Open Source activities. > > snip... > > I WILL be at NECC 2008. > > I'd love to showcase how Drupal can be used to create great web sites > for schools. I'd also like to showcase some of the good > MAC/Linux/Windows FOSS out there. I'm doing a "Power Publishing, Three > for Free" presentation later this year on Inkscape, GIMP and Scribus. > I think it's amazing that all three run on all three OSs. > > I'd also like to showcase some Creative Commons licensed courses for > Moodle. I want more schools to create and publish courses and Moodle > is a great way to do this. > > One fun thing we did at a NECC was to have a server, switch, cables > and thin-client all piled up on a table. We'd show people the K12LTSP > diagram and then time them to see how long it took them to build a > working thin-client computer lab. We kept a billboard with the top 5 > times for the conference and then gave away the server to the fastest > time. Did you know you can build a working thin-client lab in less > than a minute? Our server was a small mini-atx case job that was easy > to send home with the lucky winner. > > If all else fails, we could get some local school kids to hand out > Linux CDRoms by the Microsoft booth. That's always fun. kidding... but it WAS fun.> > > Driving there was the most fun. > http://www.k12ltsp.org/necc/tux.jpg > > ;-) Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 05:41:11 2007 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:41:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Coordinating for NECC 2008 In-Reply-To: <508f42dc0709141524v3a45b082i4f5d60c22110a447@mail.gmail.com> References: <32827997.774321189721771604.JavaMail.root@zimbra.sacredsf.org> <508f42dc0709141524v3a45b082i4f5d60c22110a447@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/14/07, Paul Nelson wrote: > > > I WILL be at NECC 2008. > > I'd love to showcase how Drupal can be used to create great web sites > for schools. I'd also like to showcase some of the good > MAC/Linux/Windows FOSS out there. I'm doing a "Power Publishing, Three > for Free" presentation later this year on Inkscape, GIMP and Scribus. > I think it's amazing that all three run on all three OSs. Great stuff, all of it. Just remember, now that we have been assimilated by the BORG (I mean NECC), all proposals for sessions at NECC in the Open Source Pavilion go through the regular NECC committee process. We can still do other stuff on the side, but anything we want to appear in the program gets submitted like everything else. Paul, let's talk for sure. I know I've carried the ball for the last few years, but I'm glad to share the load (and any glory)... Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sat Sep 15 15:08:22 2007 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:08:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Desktop immage while ssh In-Reply-To: <46EA7C800200006C00005C93@episd14.episd.org> References: <46EA7C800200006C00005C93@episd14.episd.org> Message-ID: <46EBF566.2090900@elp.rr.com> Oh, it's you again with another untimely question... perhaps there are no ssh users here with enough time on their hands to address such low level queries... or perhaps this list is getting to be too high brow to address such issues... nah, there's still a core of good hackers willing to help all users. The question is... Alan Hodson wrote: > A quick question for users who frequently use ssh > > While remotely logged in, what is the command to make the remote desktop appear? - I'd like to be able to set background images for all the students remotely by using the dropbox > > Thanks > Alan A Hodson > El Paso TX > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Fight the Digital Divide http://toss-elptx.blogspot.com/ \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 17:59:53 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:59:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Desktop immage while ssh In-Reply-To: <46EA7C800200006C00005C93@episd14.episd.org> References: <46EA7C800200006C00005C93@episd14.episd.org> Message-ID: <200709151359.53199.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Friday 14 September 2007 14:20, Alan Hodson wrote: > A quick question for users who frequently use ssh > > While remotely logged in, what is the command to make the remote desktop > appear? - I'd like to be able to set background images for all the students > remotely by using the dropbox > The question as asked is a trick question: ssh doesn't make remote desktops appear. You can re-direct X on the remote machine by using the "-X" switch. This will set the display to be re-directed into the ssh tunnel so that the local X server can display the output from the remote application. ssh -X remote.machine.com This assumes that the remote sshd will allow re-direction (most do, all can be so configured). So much for remote applications. If you want entire remote desktops/sessions, look into NX/freenx; they use ssh for transport and handle remote sessions even over low bandwidth (but they aren't ssh). -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From opensource at whitenitro.com Sat Sep 15 18:02:45 2007 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:02:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Coordinating for NECC 2008 In-Reply-To: <20070915160023.A2C6E73139@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070915160023.A2C6E73139@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <40E62C6A-C0C0-418F-96F7-9F921994F201@whitenitro.com> On Sep 15, 2007, at 12:00 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Driving there was the most fun. > http://www.k12ltsp.org/necc/tux.jpg > > ;-) Paul When he got pulled over for speeding (the problem with fast OS) and asked for his license, did he show the officer the GPL? :-) Bryant -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The question is... > > Alan Hodson wrote: >> A quick question for users who frequently use ssh >> While remotely logged in, what is the command to make the remote >> desktop appear? - I'd like to be able to set background images for >> all the students remotely by using the dropbox >> Thanks >> Alan A Hodson >> El Paso TX I use SSH pretty frequently, but I just don't understand what you're asking. Are you talking about X11Forwarding? VNC? FreeNX? Another kind of remote desktop (rdesktop to a Windows machine?)? Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sat Sep 15 19:12:17 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:12:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Coordinating for NECC 2008 In-Reply-To: <46EA05C9.6050400@canterburyschool.org> References: <32827997.774321189721771604.JavaMail.root@zimbra.sacredsf.org> <46EA05C9.6050400@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: <46EC2E91.3060407@scheie.homedns.org> There isn't a live CD for demonstrating the booting of thin clients. There is, however, a live CD that contains/shows the applications that come with K12LTSP, which is probably more useful as a give-away at a conference anyway. The CD is an Edubuntu disk that I doctored so that it looks like K12LTSP 6, which I then handout to teachers so they can explore K12LTSP at their convenience. The irony is that the true brilliance of LTSP--that old machines can be given new life as snappy thin clients--isn't what most people care about. The live CD, aka "K12LTSP's Greatest Hits", is available at ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/live-cd-demo Peter Vern Ceder wrote: > I personally like the idea of some kind of installfest, being a LUG member. > > Probably in that environment the emphasis might be better put on > liveCD's and demos of what you can do with the software - I can't > imagine many being willing to "risk" the computer they were traveling > with by doing an actual install... (but I would be pleased if I were > wrong about that ;-) ) > > Cheers, > Vern > > Hoover Chan wrote: >> I hope you all are surviving the start of school year crunch. I'm >> just barely starting to resurface. >> >> That being said, I noticed that the NECC abstract deadline is coming >> up faster than expected. I was wondering what all is being planned >> for NECC 2008 as far as Open Source activities. >> >> Given the kinds of questions that frequently come up, I was wondering >> whether it might be useful to have an "Install Fest" where we can >> demonstrate what it would take to do a basic installation and >> deployment. Maybe something where we encourage people to bring their >> own computers or laptops where appropriate distro CD's are available >> at the session to install? >> >> Anyway, just brainstorming some ideas for the conference. >> >> Thanks. Hope to see you all there. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan >> chan at sacredsf.org Director of Technology Schools of the Sacred Heart >> 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 >> >> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For >> more info see > From vceder at canterburyschool.org Sat Sep 15 19:48:33 2007 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:48:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Coordinating for NECC 2008 In-Reply-To: <46EC2E91.3060407@scheie.homedns.org> References: <32827997.774321189721771604.JavaMail.root@zimbra.sacredsf.org> <46EA05C9.6050400@canterburyschool.org> <46EC2E91.3060407@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <46EC3711.8050008@canterburyschool.org> Peter Scheie wrote: > There isn't a live CD for demonstrating the booting of thin clients. Right, but in the context of LTSP, the notion of an installfest is also somewhat meaningless. ;-) I understood Hoover to be talking about FOSS and Linux installs more generally - not many people will be traveling with LSTP servers... > There is, however, a live CD that contains/shows the applications that > come with K12LTSP, which is probably more useful as a give-away at a > conference anyway. The CD is an Edubuntu disk that I doctored so that > it looks like K12LTSP 6, which I then handout to teachers so they can > explore K12LTSP at their convenience. The irony is that the true > brilliance of LTSP--that old machines can be given new life as snappy > thin clients--isn't what most people care about. Excellent idea and pretty much what I was thinking of. I've been playing with doctoring the Ubuntu live CD to have a complete Java and Python programming environment, but I'm still working on shrinking it down to CD size. Now if you want a DVD, I can do that... ;-) My point was that live CD's have come to a point where they can be more useful in a conference environment and we can concentrate more on demo'ing the software rather than spending an afternoon troubleshooting driver issues, as we used to do at our LUG installfests. > The live CD, aka "K12LTSP's Greatest Hits", is available at > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/live-cd-demo > Thanks for the link, I'll have a look. Cheers, Vern -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From matrimble at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 01:13:35 2007 From: matrimble at gmail.com (Mark Trimble) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:13:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling Client Audio Message-ID: <17b895960709151813y79d08944w712bf0727ba7eb3c@mail.gmail.com> I've installed VLC for listening to streamed Web Radio and it appears to be working just fine... on the server. Is there anyway to direct the audio to a thin client? I can run VLC from a client and can see that tracks are playing, but no sound comes through. System sounds play on the client and a can get a test tone to play, but no real application audio plays, either from VLC or TuxType or anything else. Any help appreciated! Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for helping alan -=o=- Nils Breunese wrote: > ahodson wrote: > >> Oh, it's you again with another untimely question... perhaps there are >> no ssh users here with enough time on their hands to address such low >> level queries... or perhaps this list is getting to be too high brow >> to address such issues... nah, there's still a core of good hackers >> willing to help all users. The question is... >> >> Alan Hodson wrote: >>> A quick question for users who frequently use ssh >>> While remotely logged in, what is the command to make the remote >>> desktop appear? - I'd like to be able to set background images for >>> all the students remotely by using the dropbox >>> Thanks >>> Alan A Hodson >>> El Paso TX > > I use SSH pretty frequently, but I just don't understand what you're > asking. Are you talking about X11Forwarding? VNC? FreeNX? Another kind > of remote desktop (rdesktop to a Windows machine?)? > > Nils Breunese. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Fight the Digital Divide http://toss-elptx.blogspot.com/ \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 10:18:28 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 06:18:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Desktop immage while ssh In-Reply-To: <46ECA697.7040505@elp.rr.com> References: <46EA7C800200006C00005C93@episd14.episd.org> <366964F4-A4B2-4EFB-975F-FED60ECD9C47@breun.nl> <46ECA697.7040505@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <200709160618.28319.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Saturday 15 September 2007 23:44, ahodson wrote: > Hi Nils > > From my server I need to ssh into 6 other servers - I use > > to gain console access, and then run routines like > /usr/bin/system-config-users > to add new students to a server, etc. The question was directed at > finding out how to turn console into the remote desktop, so I can then > push a chosen desktop background to all users using the "Push new > icons..." desktop icon... Is this doable this way? > Thanks for helping > alan > -=o=- > If I have decoded "how to turn console into the remote desktop" correctly, then you would need NX/freenx and log onto the remote system as root (where the "Push new icons..." are located). You could *try* something like this (assuming KDE for the moment): ssh -X -l root remotemachine '/usr/bin/startkde' But I don't think you would like the result. NX is more efficient, you can suspend sessions etc. NX/freenx would be the right tool. > Nils Breunese wrote: > > ahodson wrote: > >> Oh, it's you again with another untimely question... perhaps there are > >> no ssh users here with enough time on their hands to address such low > >> level queries... or perhaps this list is getting to be too high brow > >> to address such issues... nah, there's still a core of good hackers > >> willing to help all users. The question is... > >> > >> Alan Hodson wrote: > >>> A quick question for users who frequently use ssh > >>> While remotely logged in, what is the command to make the remote > >>> desktop appear? - I'd like to be able to set background images for > >>> all the students remotely by using the dropbox > >>> Thanks > >>> Alan A Hodson > >>> El Paso TX > > > > I use SSH pretty frequently, but I just don't understand what you're > > asking. Are you talking about X11Forwarding? VNC? FreeNX? Another kind > > of remote desktop (rdesktop to a Windows machine?)? > > > > Nils Breunese. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From nils at breun.nl Sun Sep 16 10:58:51 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:58:51 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Desktop immage while ssh In-Reply-To: <200709160618.28319.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <46EA7C800200006C00005C93@episd14.episd.org> <366964F4-A4B2-4EFB-975F-FED60ECD9C47@breun.nl> <46ECA697.7040505@elp.rr.com> <200709160618.28319.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A9022C7-5990-454B-ADE1-43944DB2245A@breun.nl> John Lucas wrote: > On Saturday 15 September 2007 23:44, ahodson wrote: >> Hi Nils >> >> From my server I need to ssh into 6 other servers - I use >> >> to gain console access, and then run routines like >> /usr/bin/system-config-users >> to add new students to a server, etc. The question was directed at >> finding out how to turn console into the remote desktop, so I can >> then >> push a chosen desktop background to all users using the "Push new >> icons..." desktop icon... Is this doable this way? >> Thanks for helping >> alan >> -=o=- >> > > If I have decoded "how to turn console into the remote desktop" > correctly, > then you would need NX/freenx and log onto the remote system as > root (where > the "Push new icons..." are located). You could *try* something > like this > (assuming KDE for the moment): > > ssh -X -l root remotemachine '/usr/bin/startkde' > > But I don't think you would like the result. NX is more efficient, > you can > suspend sessions etc. NX/freenx would be the right tool. That, or VNC if bandwidth isn't much of an issue (VNC is less work to setup). No SSH needed, that's why I was confused. Of course you can also just add users from a regular SSH shell, but I take it you're not very comfortable using the command line? It is much faster than any remote desktop method. :o) Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sun Sep 16 14:57:12 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:57:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Desktop immage while ssh In-Reply-To: <6A9022C7-5990-454B-ADE1-43944DB2245A@breun.nl> References: <46EA7C800200006C00005C93@episd14.episd.org> <366964F4-A4B2-4EFB-975F-FED60ECD9C47@breun.nl> <46ECA697.7040505@elp.rr.com> <200709160618.28319.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <6A9022C7-5990-454B-ADE1-43944DB2245A@breun.nl> Message-ID: <46ED4448.20408@scheie.homedns.org> Nils Breunese wrote: > John Lucas wrote: > >> On Saturday 15 September 2007 23:44, ahodson wrote: >>> Hi Nils >>> >>> From my server I need to ssh into 6 other servers - I use >>> >>> to gain console access, and then run routines like >>> /usr/bin/system-config-users >>> to add new students to a server, etc. The question was directed at >>> finding out how to turn console into the remote desktop, so I can then >>> push a chosen desktop background to all users using the "Push new >>> icons..." desktop icon... Is this doable this way? >>> Thanks for helping >>> alan >>> -=o=- >>> >> >> If I have decoded "how to turn console into the remote desktop" >> correctly, >> then you would need NX/freenx and log onto the remote system as root >> (where >> the "Push new icons..." are located). You could *try* something like this >> (assuming KDE for the moment): >> >> ssh -X -l root remotemachine '/usr/bin/startkde' >> >> But I don't think you would like the result. NX is more efficient, you >> can >> suspend sessions etc. NX/freenx would be the right tool. > > That, or VNC if bandwidth isn't much of an issue (VNC is less work to > setup). No SSH needed, that's why I was confused. Of course you can also > just add users from a regular SSH shell, but I take it you're not very > comfortable using the command line? It is much faster than any remote > desktop method. :o) > > Nils Breunese. You can also tunnel VNC over SSH in a two step process. Step 1, ssh to the server like so: ssh -L 3700:localhost:5900 10.x.x.x Step 2: Start the vncviewer on your local system (not the server you're ssh-ing to) and point it at localhost:3700. The connection will get redirected over the ssh session and you'll get the VNC login screen which looks just like what the clients see. This method gives you ssh security so you can use it over the internet, but not the 'must be setup beforehand' requirements of NX. OTOH, the 10.x.x.x address you mention suggests you may only be connecting over the LAN, not the internet, so the security may not be that important. If you are connecting over the internet, I suggest taking John's advice and setup NX as the performance is much better than VNC, especially if this is something you'll be doing in an ongoing basis. But VNC over SSH is great in a pinch. (I think it's at this point that Les points out that some version of VNC comes with ssh tunneling built-in, but I can never remember which version, and that version isn't always available; this method works with any version.) Peter From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Sep 16 15:12:05 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:12:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] using linux terminal server client to windows vista box Message-ID: <38406.192.168.254.3.1189955525.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello list, Has anyone tried using the current linux terminal server client( I m using K12LTSP v.5.0) to an Winders Vista/Business edition machine? I get the following error: [root at server1 ~]# rdesktop 192.168.0.239 ERROR: modulus len 0x108 ERROR: send: Connection reset by peer ERROR: Connection closed I'm relatively certain this is the same error code you would get connecting from the earlier versions of LTSC to say a Winders 2003 server waaayy back when. I've goolged but have not really found what the workaround/cure is for this. BTW: I do have the winders firewall shutoff off on the two machines I've tried this on.And I have set the" Enable remote Desktop connections" in the Remote tab on both machines. I selected "connect from any Remote Desktop client" as well. I know Vista has the new v.6 of remote desktop *client* on it. I'm sure this is killing something behind the scenes,or so,,I'm guessing:). Take Care, Barry Cisna From les at futuresource.com Sun Sep 16 19:01:51 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:01:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Desktop immage while ssh In-Reply-To: <46ED4448.20408@scheie.homedns.org> References: <46EA7C800200006C00005C93@episd14.episd.org> <366964F4-A4B2-4EFB-975F-FED60ECD9C47@breun.nl> <46ECA697.7040505@elp.rr.com> <200709160618.28319.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <6A9022C7-5990-454B-ADE1-43944DB2245A@breun.nl> <46ED4448.20408@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <46ED7D9F.3000208@futuresource.com> Peter Scheie wrote: > > > Nils Breunese wrote: >> John Lucas wrote: >> >>> On Saturday 15 September 2007 23:44, ahodson wrote: >>>> Hi Nils >>>> >>>> From my server I need to ssh into 6 other servers - I use >>>> >>>> to gain console access, and then run routines like >>>> /usr/bin/system-config-users >>>> to add new students to a server, etc. The question was directed at >>>> finding out how to turn console into the remote desktop, so I can then >>>> push a chosen desktop background to all users using the "Push new >>>> icons..." desktop icon... Is this doable this way? >>>> Thanks for helping >>>> alan >>>> -=o=- >>>> >>> >>> If I have decoded "how to turn console into the remote desktop" >>> correctly, >>> then you would need NX/freenx and log onto the remote system as root >>> (where >>> the "Push new icons..." are located). You could *try* something like >>> this >>> (assuming KDE for the moment): >>> >>> ssh -X -l root remotemachine '/usr/bin/startkde' >>> >>> But I don't think you would like the result. NX is more efficient, >>> you can >>> suspend sessions etc. NX/freenx would be the right tool. >> >> That, or VNC if bandwidth isn't much of an issue (VNC is less work to >> setup). No SSH needed, that's why I was confused. Of course you can >> also just add users from a regular SSH shell, but I take it you're not >> very comfortable using the command line? It is much faster than any >> remote desktop method. :o) >> >> Nils Breunese. > > You can also tunnel VNC over SSH in a two step process. Step 1, ssh to > the server like so: > > ssh -L 3700:localhost:5900 10.x.x.x > > Step 2: Start the vncviewer on your local system (not the server you're > ssh-ing to) and point it at localhost:3700. The connection will get > redirected over the ssh session and you'll get the VNC login screen > which looks just like what the clients see. This method gives you ssh > security so you can use it over the internet, but not the 'must be setup > beforehand' requirements of NX. OTOH, the 10.x.x.x address you mention > suggests you may only be connecting over the LAN, not the internet, so > the security may not be that important. If you are connecting over the > internet, I suggest taking John's advice and setup NX as the performance > is much better than VNC, especially if this is something you'll be doing > in an ongoing basis. But VNC over SSH is great in a pinch. (I think > it's at this point that Les points out that some version of VNC comes > with ssh tunneling built-in, but I can never remember which version, and > that version isn't always available; this method works with any version.) There are lots of other possibilities, but freenx/NX is the best if you need to do it often. But, yes, if you want to connect via vnc over ssh, some versions of vncviewer have the -via option to set up the ssh tunnel transparently for you. "vncviewer -via ssh_host target_host" will establish the port-forwarding ssh connection - which will prompt for a password if you haven't set up ssh keys, and may or may not be the same machine as the vnc target. If you already have at least one machine you can reach with ssh and targets running vnc servers you can use this method with no additional setup, and if your vncview doesn't have the -via option you can do it manually by setting up the port forwarding ssh connection as a separate step. It is possible to start a normal X desktop through an ssh connection but I've forgotten the right command. You can get almost the same effect by dragging the icons for the programs you'd want to run from the menus onto the desktop, then running nautilus from your remote ssh connection. Any programs you start by double-clicking the icons will open in new windows on your remote desktop. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From toddobryan at mac.com Sun Sep 16 20:17:27 2007 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:17:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX on 64-bit server Message-ID: <1189973847.2202.6.camel@200-TC-TOBRYAN1> Does anybody have a link to detailed instructions about getting a FreeNX server set up on a 64-bit server? I know you have to set up a chroot and think I did that correctly, but still no luck getting things working. Todd From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Mon Sep 17 14:18:44 2007 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:18:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX on 64-bit server In-Reply-To: <1189973847.2202.6.camel@200-TC-TOBRYAN1> References: <1189973847.2202.6.camel@200-TC-TOBRYAN1> Message-ID: <46EE8CC4.7080003@peopleplaces.org> I followed Rick Stout's instructions.. basically just 'yum install freenx', and never touched a chroot -- FreeNX.x86_64 is a part of extras now. -Michael Todd O'Bryan wrote: > Does anybody have a link to detailed instructions about getting a FreeNX > server set up on a 64-bit server? I know you have to set up a chroot and > think I did that correctly, but still no luck getting things working. > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. From toddobryan at mac.com Mon Sep 17 14:23:23 2007 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:23:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX on 64-bit server In-Reply-To: <46EE8CC4.7080003@peopleplaces.org> References: <1189973847.2202.6.camel@200-TC-TOBRYAN1> <46EE8CC4.7080003@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <1190039003.1762.2.camel@200-8143-202-01> Drat. I'm on Ubuntu. On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 10:18 -0400, Michael Blinn wrote: > I followed Rick Stout's instructions.. basically just 'yum install > freenx', and never touched a chroot -- FreeNX.x86_64 is a part of extras > now. > -Michael > > Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > Does anybody have a link to detailed instructions about getting a FreeNX > > server set up on a 64-bit server? I know you have to set up a chroot and > > think I did that correctly, but still no luck getting things working. > > > > Todd From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 16:23:30 2007 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:23:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: RH/Centos EL5 = ?? Message-ID: <8b88203f0709170923h79291b24n56a7d6c9a27477b6@mail.gmail.com> Thank you! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Sep 17 16:57:19 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:57:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp on port 1067 windows clients sees this port Message-ID: <44924.216.24.126.67.1190048239.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, I updated one of our K12LTSp servers to v.5.0 at one of our remote building s here at school. I have always set this server up to broadcast dhcp on port 1067.Everything is working fine,,,Thank God, ,,,,but,,,, for some reason on this version some of the Winders clients/workstations, are "seeing" dhcp running on port 1067. On the server when I do a nmap -sU localhost i am seeing dhcp actually running on port 1067. as it should be and nothing running on port 67. It seems the only winders machines that are " seeing" port 1067 are two particular brands of PC's.' Internet Initiative"/ TigerDirect brand PC's and "Dell SX280's". I changed my /etc/init.d/dhcpd file line from; daemon /usr/sbin/dhcpd ${DHCPARGS} 2>/dev/ to: daemon /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 ${DHCPARGS} 2>/dev/ .. to start dhcp on port 1067 Are some of the newer nics possibly set to also look on port 1067? A head scratcher for sure. This is really not causing any probs,but I wonder why these machines are now seeing port 1067? This machines were set into place new this year BTW. Thanks, Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Sep 18 01:12:45 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:12:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling Client Audio Message-ID: <38128.192.168.254.3.1190077965.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Mark, Try installing xmms ( player) and set in options/preferences the output plugin to* esound*. I found if you are having sound gremlins,this is a good way to troubleshoot from waaay back when.After installed you will see "Audio Player" under your Sound and Video folder on the start menu. Once installed just select Play Directory,> drill down to /usr/share/sounds. this will play the whole directory. This will give you a few different file formats to deal with. They should all play here. If you see " soundbars" but no sound output somehow your sound is muted( or speakers not plugged in,,,,ugh). Do a ' yum -y install xmms ' in a bash terminal. This will install what you need. Post back your results. Take Care, Barry Cisna From matrimble at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 04:17:48 2007 From: matrimble at gmail.com (Mark Trimble) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:17:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Enabling Client Audio In-Reply-To: <38128.192.168.254.3.1190077965.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <38128.192.168.254.3.1190077965.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <17b895960709172117m4da9eb7dhd417a2755316b841@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Barry; will do. I'm out of town this week but will post my results when I return. Regards, Mark On 9/17/07, Barry Cisna wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > Try installing xmms ( player) and set in options/preferences the output > plugin to* esound*. > I found if you are having sound gremlins,this is a good way to > troubleshoot from waaay back when.After installed you will see "Audio > Player" under your Sound and Video folder on the start menu. Once > installed just select Play Directory,> drill down to /usr/share/sounds. > this will play the whole directory. This will give you a few different > file formats to deal with. They should all play here. If you see " > soundbars" but no sound output somehow your sound is muted( or speakers > not plugged in,,,,ugh). > Do a ' yum -y install xmms ' in a bash terminal. > This will install what you need. Post back your results. > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 18 12:52:15 2007 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:52:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Office 2007 and OpenOffice Message-ID: <46EFC9FF.6080807@earthlink.net> I guess I've been living under a rock, so I am unaware of what is going on between Office 2007 and OpenOffice. Can anyone fill me in? There are some kids bringing Office 2007 documents into the building and are unable to open them in OpenOffice. I have not seen this myself, but this is what the technology teacher is telling me. I did a quick google, but found no practical information from a user standpoint, just discussions about Open XML and ODF. I see there is an ODF converter for Office 2007, but it would be impossible to have parents install a converter. In the past, it was much easier to have OpenOffice be able to open Microsoft and save as Microsoft, less knowledge on the part of the user necessary.... This may be a huge problem in our building since all of the staff just switched to Office 2007 on their windows machines. :^( Thanks, Rita Gibson RMSELTech From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Sep 18 12:53:12 2007 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:53:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Office 2007 and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <46EFC9FF.6080807@earthlink.net> References: <46EFC9FF.6080807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46EF83E8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> When it comes to tenology (especially M$) Newer isn't always better. . .! JMHO - YMMV Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Rita Gibson 9/18/2007 7:52 AM >>> I guess I've been living under a rock, so I am unaware of what is going on between Office 2007 and OpenOffice. Can anyone fill me in? There are some kids bringing Office 2007 documents into the building and are unable to open them in OpenOffice. I have not seen this myself, but this is what the technology teacher is telling me. I did a quick google, but found no practical information from a user standpoint, just discussions about Open XML and ODF. I see there is an ODF converter for Office 2007, but it would be impossible to have parents install a converter. In the past, it was much easier to have OpenOffice be able to open Microsoft and save as Microsoft, less knowledge on the part of the user necessary.... This may be a huge problem in our building since all of the staff just switched to Office 2007 on their windows machines. :^( Thanks, Rita Gibson RMSELTech _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From pwelte at nashville-k12.org Tue Sep 18 12:55:35 2007 From: pwelte at nashville-k12.org (Paul Welte) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:55:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Office 2007 and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <46EFC9FF.6080807@earthlink.net> References: <46EFC9FF.6080807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46EFCAC7.20304@nashville-k12.org> Novell's 2.1 version of OpenOffice will open the XML formats of Office 2007. You can get it here: http://download.novell.com/index.jsp?product_id=&search=Search&build_type=SDBuildBean&families=3402&version=&date_range=&keywords=&x=34&y=7 Not sure when/if OpenOffice.org (currently at version 2.2) will include support for the new formats. Rita Gibson wrote: > I guess I've been living under a rock, so I am unaware of what is > going on between Office 2007 and OpenOffice. > > Can anyone fill me in? There are some kids bringing Office 2007 > documents into the building and are unable to open them in OpenOffice. > I have not seen this myself, but this is what the technology teacher > is telling me. I did a quick google, but found no practical > information from a user standpoint, just discussions about Open XML > and ODF. I see there is an ODF converter for Office 2007, but it would > be impossible to have parents install a converter. In the past, it was > much easier to have OpenOffice be able to open Microsoft and save as > Microsoft, less knowledge on the part of the user necessary.... > > This may be a huge problem in our building since all of the staff just > switched to Office 2007 on their windows machines. :^( > > Thanks, > > Rita Gibson > RMSELTech > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From webmaster at vol.org Tue Sep 18 13:23:00 2007 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:23:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Office 2007 and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <46EFC9FF.6080807@earthlink.net> References: <46EFC9FF.6080807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46EFD134.5020507@vol.org> Rita Gibson wrote: > there is an ODF converter for Office 2007, but it would be impossible to > have parents install a converter. In the past, it was much easier to > have OpenOffice be able to open Microsoft and save as Microsoft, less > knowledge on the part of the user necessary.... I suggest producing a document that explains how to force Office 2007 to default save in Office 97-2003 formats. This message has been scanned by the Internet Service Departments Virus/Spam filter. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Sep 18 13:33:06 2007 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:33:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Office 2007 and OpenOffice Message-ID: <20070918063306.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.3128995d28.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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OpenOffice 2.4 is slated to include it, due in March 2008. http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79123 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease24 -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Sep 18 15:12:24 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:12:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Office 2007 and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <46EFD134.5020507@vol.org> References: <46EFC9FF.6080807@earthlink.net> <46EFD134.5020507@vol.org> Message-ID: <46EFEAD8.9060802@paasda.org> Or simply teach the kids to click on the "office button" (top left corner), click 'save as', and choose "Word 97-2003 Document (*.doc)" as the type. --Huck george kocke wrote: > Rita Gibson wrote: > >> there is an ODF converter for Office 2007, but it would be impossible >> to have parents install a converter. In the past, it was much easier >> to have OpenOffice be able to open Microsoft and save as Microsoft, >> less knowledge on the part of the user necessary.... > > I suggest producing a document that explains how to force Office 2007 to > default save in Office 97-2003 formats. > > > > This message has been scanned by the Internet Service Departments > Virus/Spam filter. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Sep 18 15:57:09 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpIEpyLiI=?=) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:57:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Office 2007 and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <20070918063306.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.3128995d28.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070918063306.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.3128995d28.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <46EFF555.1000004@cmosnetworks.com> That includes my district, too. We're still on MS Office 2003, with no plans (yet) to go to MS Office 2007, specifically because of this issue. A couple of ideas. Give the kids a copy of OpenOffice.org and have them install that at home. You might talk with the parents at the PTA meeting to get their buy-in. When they understand that MS Office 2007 is what's making it difficult for their kids to interoperate with the school, then you likely will have more success. Bring CD-ROM's with OpenOffice.org on them to this meeting to pass out. --TP rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I would agree with this since most of the world has yet to upgrade. > While you may be compatible within the school system, good luck with > the rest of us... > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Technology Coordinator > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-1752 x30 > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > ?Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which > matter least? Goethe > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Office 2007 and OpenOffice > From: george kocke > Date: Tue, September 18, 2007 8:23 am > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Rita Gibson wrote: > > > there is an ODF converter for Office 2007, but it would be > impossible to > > have parents install a converter. 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In the past, it was much easier to > have OpenOffice be able to open Microsoft and save as Microsoft, less > knowledge on the part of the user necessary.... > > This may be a huge problem in our building since all of the staff just > switched to Office 2007 on their windows machines. :^( > My wife is a University Professor. She had a student turn in an essay in a file made with MS Office 2007 (the extension was ".docx") that she could not open with MS Office 2003, so she sent it to me to try to open it on her home computer (equipped with Office 2007) which I did. As an experiment, I tried it out with NeoOffice v2.2.1 patch 0 (latest OpenOffice code for Mac OS X Aqua) which has experimental MS Office 2007 support. It worked fine. I have downloaded the latest Linux OOo (v2.3.0) but have yet to install it. I think it too has MS Office 2007 filters. I'll let you know. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 22:58:07 2007 From: bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com (Bruce Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:58:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] thin client fonts Message-ID: <6583c9ed0709181558o3293a09cy806db8ad665e1eb4@mail.gmail.com> How do thin clients derive their fonts? I am trying again to get mathematica fonts working. I have experimented with enabling xfs. I have experimented with Sectiion "Files" in several different xorg.conffiles. Does xset -q tell the truth on thin clients? xset fp+ executed on a thin client doesn't seem to change anything. Is it a problem that my thin clients don't recognize my video chipset and default to slow vesa driver? It seems to work OK. When I work on my ltsp server, everything works fine. When I work on one of my thin clients, I get: [bruce at server ~]$ mathematica xset: bad font path element (#68), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax xset: bad font path element (#68), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax -- Bruce Anderson Westmont High School, Room 44 4805 Westmont Avenue Campbell, CA 95008 (408)378-1500 x6244 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I ran into this same mess a couple weeks ago. I think my Gutsy Desktop is running OOo v2.3.0 if I remember right. At first it appeared it opened the .docx file just fine, but it seems to only open text ok. If the document contains images they are not properly pulled into the document. But I have only had the one file to test and luckily I do not have an MS Office 07 anywhere within my grasp. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Sep 19 07:03:33 2007 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:03:33 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Office 2007 and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <46EFC9FF.6080807@earthlink.net> References: <46EFC9FF.6080807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200709190803.34703.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 13:52, Rita Gibson wrote: > I see > there is an ODF converter for Office 2007, but it would be impossible to > have parents install a converter. We use www.zamzar.com a free online converter. It handles most files. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 19 12:03:39 2007 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:03:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Office 2007 and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <200709190803.34703.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <46EFC9FF.6080807@earthlink.net> <200709190803.34703.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <46F1101B.8050104@earthlink.net> Martin Woolley wrote: > On Tuesday 18 September 2007 13:52, Rita Gibson wrote: > >> I see >> there is an ODF converter for Office 2007, but it would be impossible to >> have parents install a converter. >> > > We use www.zamzar.com a free online converter. It handles most files. > Can you take a look at this? Rita From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Wed Sep 19 15:22:49 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:22:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? Message-ID: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> I know some of the guys on this list have implemented roaming profiles using samba--maybe that knowledge can help me w/ my windows problem. I want to move the "documents and settings" folder on our windows terminal server to a new drive. The instructions I've found on microsoft's website include a step which requires you to edit every registry entry that contains the path c:\documents and settings. I looked through my registry and stopped counting when I hit 500 occurrences of this path. Is there an easier way? Sorry for the Windows question, but it's all part of my long-term plan to put Linux on the desktop. -Rob From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 19 15:32:29 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:32:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <20070919153055.M22450@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:22:49 -0400, Rob Owens wrote > I know some of the guys on this list have implemented roaming profiles > using samba--maybe that knowledge can help me w/ my windows problem. I > want to move the "documents and settings" folder on our windows terminal > server to a new drive. The instructions I've found on microsoft's > website include a step which requires you to edit every registry entry > that contains the path c:\documents and settings. I looked through my > registry and stopped counting when I hit 500 occurrences of this path. > Is there an easier way? > > Sorry for the Windows question, but it's all part of my long-term plan > to put Linux on the desktop. > > -Rob It has been a while, but can't you right click the My Documents folder and then somewhere in properties select move and then your new location. I know I have done this in the past to move My Document storage out to a central server. If nothing else pursue correct directions for that, it is way quicker than the registry method. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Sep 19 15:47:49 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:47:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: <20070919153055.M22450@winonacotter.org> References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919153055.M22450@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <46F144A5.9090708@paasda.org> right-click 'start', click 'explore', click on 'Desktop' in the left window pane, right-click 'My Documents', click 'properties', the Target tab should be showing...the 1 field there shows the target path of the My Documents folder...with the 'move...' button directly below that field you can edit the field and move the location. --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:22:49 -0400, Rob Owens wrote >> I know some of the guys on this list have implemented roaming profiles >> using samba--maybe that knowledge can help me w/ my windows problem. I >> want to move the "documents and settings" folder on our windows terminal >> server to a new drive. The instructions I've found on microsoft's >> website include a step which requires you to edit every registry entry >> that contains the path c:\documents and settings. I looked through my >> registry and stopped counting when I hit 500 occurrences of this path. >> Is there an easier way? >> >> Sorry for the Windows question, but it's all part of my long-term plan >> to put Linux on the desktop. >> >> -Rob > > It has been a while, but can't you right click the My Documents folder and then > somewhere in properties select move and then your new location. I know I have done this > in the past to move My Document storage out to a central server. If nothing else pursue > correct directions for that, it is way quicker than the registry method. > > Jim > From bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 15:56:27 2007 From: bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com (Bruce Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:56:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: thin client fonts In-Reply-To: <6583c9ed0709181558o3293a09cy806db8ad665e1eb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6583c9ed0709181558o3293a09cy806db8ad665e1eb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6583c9ed0709190856j27ba89fdr78058397cdc8f69e@mail.gmail.com> I made it work by 1) adding fonts to /etc/X11/fs/config 2) changing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf to enable XFS 3) /sbin/service xfs start On 9/18/07, Bruce Anderson wrote: > > How do thin clients derive their fonts? I am trying again to get > mathematica fonts working. > I have experimented with enabling xfs. > I have experimented with Sectiion "Files" in several different xorg.conffiles. > Does xset -q tell the truth on thin clients? > xset fp+ executed on a thin client doesn't seem to change anything. > Is it a problem that my thin clients don't recognize my video chipset and > default to slow vesa driver? It seems to work OK. > > When I work on my ltsp server, everything works fine. > When I work on one of my thin clients, I get: > [bruce at server ~]$ mathematica > xset: bad font path element (#68), possible causes are: > Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions > Directory missing fonts.dir > Incorrect font server address or syntax > xset: bad font path element (#68), possible causes are: > Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions > Directory missing fonts.dir > Incorrect font server address or syntax > > -- > Bruce Anderson > Westmont High School, Room 44 > 4805 Westmont Avenue > Campbell, CA 95008 > (408)378-1500 x6244 -- Bruce Anderson Westmont High School, Room 44 4805 Westmont Avenue Campbell, CA 95008 (408)378-1500 x6244 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Wed Sep 19 17:07:29 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:07:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: <46F144A5.9090708@paasda.org> References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919153055.M22450@winonacotter.org> <46F144A5.9090708@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46F15751.7020806@bio-chemvalve.com> Jim and Huck, thanks for the responses. But I want to move not just "My Documents", but the entire Documents and Settings folder. The reason is that things like temporary internet files, etc. are filling up the very small C drive on my terminal server. Users are instructed to save all of their "stuff" on a network drive anyway, so My Documents doesn't actually take up much space. Also, to be clear, I'd like to set it up so that all new users get their settings put in d:\documents and settings\username -Rob Huck wrote: > right-click 'start', click 'explore', click on 'Desktop' in the left > window pane, right-click 'My Documents', click 'properties', the Target > tab should be showing...the 1 field there shows the target path of the > My Documents folder...with the 'move...' button directly below that > field you can edit the field and move the location. > > > --Huck > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:22:49 -0400, Rob Owens wrote >>> I know some of the guys on this list have implemented roaming profiles >>> using samba--maybe that knowledge can help me w/ my windows problem. I >>> want to move the "documents and settings" folder on our windows terminal >>> server to a new drive. The instructions I've found on microsoft's >>> website include a step which requires you to edit every registry entry >>> that contains the path c:\documents and settings. I looked through my >>> registry and stopped counting when I hit 500 occurrences of this path. >>> Is there an easier way? >>> >>> Sorry for the Windows question, but it's all part of my long-term plan >>> to put Linux on the desktop. >>> >>> -Rob >> >> It has been a while, but can't you right click the My Documents folder >> and then >> somewhere in properties select move and then your new location. I >> know I have done this >> in the past to move My Document storage out to a central server. If >> nothing else pursue >> correct directions for that, it is way quicker than the registry method. >> >> Jim >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 19 17:15:09 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:15:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: <46F15751.7020806@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919153055.M22450@winonacotter.org> <46F144A5.9090708@paasda.org> <46F15751.7020806@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <20070919171356.M87942@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:07:29 -0400, Rob Owens wrote > Jim and Huck, thanks for the responses. But I want to move not just "My > Documents", but the entire Documents and Settings folder. The reason is > that things like temporary internet files, etc. are filling up the very > small C drive on my terminal server. Users are instructed to save all > of their "stuff" on a network drive anyway, so My Documents doesn't > actually take up much space. > > Also, to be clear, I'd like to set it up so that all new users get their > settings put in d:\documents and settings\username > > -Rob Ahh, my apologies. I misread your original email which was very clear in stating you wanted to move Documents and Settings. Can't say I can help you there. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Sep 19 17:24:31 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:24:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: <20070919171356.M87942@winonacotter.org> References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919153055.M22450@winonacotter.org> <46F144A5.9090708@paasda.org> <46F15751.7020806@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919171356.M87942@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <46F15B4F.8000303@paasda.org> Huck is of no use here as well...sorry :( I only know of the other because when using Samba with roaming profiles...when staff members put all of their files in My Documents(the default location)...their login and logout times stretch over a millennium it seems...and for some reason they do NOT listen when you request/explain/ask/nudge/encourage them to save to the NETWORK drive(s). --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:07:29 -0400, Rob Owens wrote >> Jim and Huck, thanks for the responses. But I want to move not just "My >> Documents", but the entire Documents and Settings folder. The reason is >> that things like temporary internet files, etc. are filling up the very >> small C drive on my terminal server. Users are instructed to save all >> of their "stuff" on a network drive anyway, so My Documents doesn't >> actually take up much space. >> >> Also, to be clear, I'd like to set it up so that all new users get their >> settings put in d:\documents and settings\username >> >> -Rob > > Ahh, my apologies. I misread your original email which was very clear in stating you > wanted to move Documents and Settings. Can't say I can help you there. > > Jim > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Sep 19 17:27:19 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:27:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: <46F15751.7020806@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919153055.M22450@winonacotter.org> <46F144A5.9090708@paasda.org> <46F15751.7020806@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <46F15BF7.6080208@paasda.org> Rob... I hate regediting ...but I wonder if there is not some 'free' tool(app) out there that will let you simply search and replace globally in the registry... so you could simply do a search on "c:\documents and settings" and replace it with "h:\documents and settings" or some such. --Huck Rob Owens wrote: > Jim and Huck, thanks for the responses. But I want to move not just "My > Documents", but the entire Documents and Settings folder. The reason is > that things like temporary internet files, etc. are filling up the very > small C drive on my terminal server. Users are instructed to save all > of their "stuff" on a network drive anyway, so My Documents doesn't > actually take up much space. > > Also, to be clear, I'd like to set it up so that all new users get their > settings put in d:\documents and settings\username > > -Rob > > Huck wrote: >> right-click 'start', click 'explore', click on 'Desktop' in the left >> window pane, right-click 'My Documents', click 'properties', the Target >> tab should be showing...the 1 field there shows the target path of the >> My Documents folder...with the 'move...' button directly below that >> field you can edit the field and move the location. >> >> >> --Huck >> >> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:22:49 -0400, Rob Owens wrote >>>> I know some of the guys on this list have implemented roaming profiles >>>> using samba--maybe that knowledge can help me w/ my windows problem. I >>>> want to move the "documents and settings" folder on our windows terminal >>>> server to a new drive. The instructions I've found on microsoft's >>>> website include a step which requires you to edit every registry entry >>>> that contains the path c:\documents and settings. I looked through my >>>> registry and stopped counting when I hit 500 occurrences of this path. >>>> Is there an easier way? >>>> >>>> Sorry for the Windows question, but it's all part of my long-term plan >>>> to put Linux on the desktop. >>>> >>>> -Rob >>> It has been a while, but can't you right click the My Documents folder >>> and then >>> somewhere in properties select move and then your new location. I >>> know I have done this >>> in the past to move My Document storage out to a central server. If >>> nothing else pursue >>> correct directions for that, it is way quicker than the registry method. >>> >>> Jim >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From HBurroughs at hhprep.org Wed Sep 19 17:23:04 2007 From: HBurroughs at hhprep.org (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:23:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Office 2007 and OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <20070919160024.54ED773095@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3437EBC2F7B463439E7CD8796349DCF2229CCE@enterprise.hhp.hhprep.org> I've had this same issue with a few faculty members. There is a converter pack for the 2007 formats that can be installed on office 2003 machines. Then you can read/write the 2007 formats. I found a university that had built a group policy msi file, so I used Active Directory (I'm stuck with it) to deploy it to all my machines. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:11:45 -0400 From: John Lucas Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Office 2007 and OpenOffice To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: Rita Gibson Message-ID: <200709181511.45541.MrJohnLucas at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Tuesday 18 September 2007 08:52, Rita Gibson wrote: > I guess I've been living under a rock, so I am unaware of what is going > on between Office 2007 and OpenOffice. > > Can anyone fill me in? There are some kids bringing Office 2007 > documents into the building and are unable to open them in OpenOffice. I > have not seen this myself, but this is what the technology teacher is > telling me. I did a quick google, but found no practical information > from a user standpoint, just discussions about Open XML and ODF. I see > there is an ODF converter for Office 2007, but it would be impossible to > have parents install a converter. In the past, it was much easier to > have OpenOffice be able to open Microsoft and save as Microsoft, less > knowledge on the part of the user necessary.... > > This may be a huge problem in our building since all of the staff just > switched to Office 2007 on their windows machines. :^( > My wife is a University Professor. She had a student turn in an essay in a file made with MS Office 2007 (the extension was ".docx") that she could not open with MS Office 2003, so she sent it to me to try to open it on her home computer (equipped with Office 2007) which I did. As an experiment, I tried it out with NeoOffice v2.2.1 patch 0 (latest OpenOffice code for Mac OS X Aqua) which has experimental MS Office 2007 support. It worked fine. I have downloaded the latest Linux OOo (v2.3.0) but have yet to install it. I think it too has MS Office 2007 filters. I'll let you know. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Wed Sep 19 18:47:53 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:47:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: <46F15BF7.6080208@paasda.org> References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919153055.M22450@winonacotter.org> <46F144A5.9090708@paasda.org> <46F15751.7020806@bio-chemvalve.com> <46F15BF7.6080208@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46F16ED9.3010502@bio-chemvalve.com> That would be great if I could find such a thing. I'll have a look around. -Rob Huck wrote: > Rob... > > I hate regediting ...but I wonder if there is not some 'free' tool(app) > out there that will let you simply search and replace globally in the > registry... > > so you could simply do a search on "c:\documents and settings" and > replace it with "h:\documents and settings" or some such. > > --Huck > > Rob Owens wrote: >> Jim and Huck, thanks for the responses. But I want to move not just "My >> Documents", but the entire Documents and Settings folder. The reason is >> that things like temporary internet files, etc. are filling up the very >> small C drive on my terminal server. Users are instructed to save all >> of their "stuff" on a network drive anyway, so My Documents doesn't >> actually take up much space. >> >> Also, to be clear, I'd like to set it up so that all new users get their >> settings put in d:\documents and settings\username >> >> -Rob >> >> Huck wrote: >>> right-click 'start', click 'explore', click on 'Desktop' in the left >>> window pane, right-click 'My Documents', click 'properties', the Target >>> tab should be showing...the 1 field there shows the target path of the >>> My Documents folder...with the 'move...' button directly below that >>> field you can edit the field and move the location. >>> >>> >>> --Huck >>> >>> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:22:49 -0400, Rob Owens wrote >>>>> I know some of the guys on this list have implemented roaming profiles >>>>> using samba--maybe that knowledge can help me w/ my windows >>>>> problem. I >>>>> want to move the "documents and settings" folder on our windows >>>>> terminal >>>>> server to a new drive. The instructions I've found on microsoft's >>>>> website include a step which requires you to edit every registry entry >>>>> that contains the path c:\documents and settings. I looked through my >>>>> registry and stopped counting when I hit 500 occurrences of this path. >>>>> Is there an easier way? >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for the Windows question, but it's all part of my long-term plan >>>>> to put Linux on the desktop. >>>>> >>>>> -Rob >>>> It has been a while, but can't you right click the My Documents folder >>>> and then >>>> somewhere in properties select move and then your new location. I >>>> know I have done this >>>> in the past to move My Document storage out to a central server. If >>>> nothing else pursue >>>> correct directions for that, it is way quicker than the registry >>>> method. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From stegil at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 19:29:53 2007 From: stegil at hotmail.com (Steve Gilmore) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:29:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: Rob, Maybe the 'subst' command could help you. http://www.windowsinternals.com/mapping-drive-letters-to-local-folders-with-subst/ http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-5975262.html cheers SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Owens" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? >I know some of the guys on this list have implemented roaming profiles > using samba--maybe that knowledge can help me w/ my windows problem. I > want to move the "documents and settings" folder on our windows terminal > server to a new drive. The instructions I've found on microsoft's > website include a step which requires you to edit every registry entry > that contains the path c:\documents and settings. I looked through my > registry and stopped counting when I hit 500 occurrences of this path. > Is there an easier way? > > Sorry for the Windows question, but it's all part of my long-term plan > to put Linux on the desktop. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kriston at tekdesk.org Wed Sep 19 19:41:04 2007 From: kriston at tekdesk.org (Kriston Purdy) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:41:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <010101c7faf5$042f78e0$6400a8c0@toshiba04> What I've generally done, is export the registry to a .reg file, open it with notepad and used the search and replace tool within notepad. Quick and easy fix. KrisP -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steve Gilmore Sent: September 19, 2007 3:30 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? Rob, Maybe the 'subst' command could help you. http://www.windowsinternals.com/mapping-drive-letters-to-local-folders-with- subst/ http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-5975262.html cheers SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Owens" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? >I know some of the guys on this list have implemented roaming profiles > using samba--maybe that knowledge can help me w/ my windows problem. I > want to move the "documents and settings" folder on our windows terminal > server to a new drive. The instructions I've found on microsoft's > website include a step which requires you to edit every registry entry > that contains the path c:\documents and settings. I looked through my > registry and stopped counting when I hit 500 occurrences of this path. > Is there an easier way? > > Sorry for the Windows question, but it's all part of my long-term plan > to put Linux on the desktop. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Wed Sep 19 20:27:58 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:27:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: <010101c7faf5$042f78e0$6400a8c0@toshiba04> References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> <010101c7faf5$042f78e0$6400a8c0@toshiba04> Message-ID: <46F1864E.2090004@bio-chemvalve.com> Good idea. Thanks. Kriston Purdy wrote: > What I've generally done, is export the registry to a .reg file, open it > with notepad and used the search and replace tool within notepad. Quick and > easy fix. > KrisP > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Steve Gilmore > Sent: September 19, 2007 3:30 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? > > Rob, > Maybe the 'subst' command could help you. > http://www.windowsinternals.com/mapping-drive-letters-to-local-folders-with- > subst/ > http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-5975262.html > > cheers > SteveG > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Owens" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:22 AM > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? > > >> I know some of the guys on this list have implemented roaming profiles >> using samba--maybe that knowledge can help me w/ my windows problem. I >> want to move the "documents and settings" folder on our windows terminal >> server to a new drive. The instructions I've found on microsoft's >> website include a step which requires you to edit every registry entry >> that contains the path c:\documents and settings. I looked through my >> registry and stopped counting when I hit 500 occurrences of this path. >> Is there an easier way? >> >> Sorry for the Windows question, but it's all part of my long-term plan >> to put Linux on the desktop. >> >> -Rob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Sep 20 17:25:36 2007 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:25:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: <46F15B4F.8000303@paasda.org> References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919153055.M22450@winonacotter.org> <46F144A5.9090708@paasda.org> <46F15751.7020806@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919171356.M87942@winonacotter.org><20070919171356.M87942@winonacotter.org> <46F15B4F.8000303@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46F266BF.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> For teachers, they will learn after their "profile" disappears a few times to put their stuff in their H drive. For students, we had linux/samba set up and I had my samba server set up so that their profile was stored on the server but as soon as they logged out, samba deleted the server copy of their profile. Then, we had DriveShield (similar to DeepFreeze without the lockup problems) installed and once the computers were rebooted, they came back clean. . .(no local profiles, either) MAJOR space saver!!!!!!on the server and the workstation. If you would like assistance with setting this up in samba (the client-side stuff is a different animal) let me know and I can give you pointers and examples to make ti clean those wasteful profiles off the server at least. Then you can decide how to handle the client-side cleanup. Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Huck 9/19/2007 12:24 PM >>> Huck is of no use here as well...sorry :( I only know of the other because when using Samba with roaming profiles...when staff members put all of their files in My Documents(the default location)...their login and logout times stretch over a millennium it seems...and for some reason they do NOT listen when you request/explain/ask/nudge/encourage them to save to the NETWORK drive(s). --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:07:29 -0400, Rob Owens wrote >> Jim and Huck, thanks for the responses. But I want to move not just "My >> Documents", but the entire Documents and Settings folder. The reason is >> that things like temporary internet files, etc. are filling up the very >> small C drive on my terminal server. Users are instructed to save all >> of their "stuff" on a network drive anyway, so My Documents doesn't >> actually take up much space. >> >> Also, to be clear, I'd like to set it up so that all new users get their >> settings put in d:\documents and settings\username >> >> -Rob > > Ahh, my apologies. I misread your original email which was very clear in stating you > wanted to move Documents and Settings. Can't say I can help you there. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From shane.sammons at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 17:40:52 2007 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:40:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X with Linux or Windows Home Folders? Message-ID: <3610bbec0709201040j4bb9c465rfd2bf242d410b90e@mail.gmail.com> Maybe someone here would know. I have search Google and I keep getting instructions on NFS shares, Samba, etc. Yet, not one has been setting up and moving user home folder in OS X Workgroup Manager from local AFP shares to an SMB or NFS share. I created a basic Windows share and entered smb:\\192.168.168.6\students with username in both of its fields and that didn't work. I then tried the username:password at Workgroup/servername/share format. Still account were made locally. I am not going to setup an Ubuntu Server and see if I can do it with NFS shares. However, again no luck with finding documentation on it. I have found notes of issues with the file locking of 10.3 systems which we use. Would anyone here know and be a good resource for this or perhaps could direct me to some documentation? Thanks, Shane Sammons -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken.tech1 at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 20:18:02 2007 From: ken.tech1 at gmail.com (Ken Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:18:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Failed Moodle Install - Why ? Message-ID: <1eb89cf20709201318w5b07bd2exa062bdf684789b8c@mail.gmail.com> In my newly built test server I have installed K12LTSP 6. I am trying to install Moodle 1.8. I have followed the instructions in the K12LTSP- Moodle Howto. When I try to first connect to the Moodle Installation screens, in the browser, it passes all the tests. When I get to the screen that prompts for the database name, username, password etc. I enter this information, then I click "next". I get an error message in red that says: "We could not connect to the database you specified. Please check your database settings." What am I doing wrong and how do I check the database settings? I have entered the correct username and password. Help! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From I.Derks at translucent.nl Thu Sep 20 21:00:19 2007 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:00:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Failed Moodle Install - Why ? In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf20709201318w5b07bd2exa062bdf684789b8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf20709201318w5b07bd2exa062bdf684789b8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F2DF63.6080205@translucent.nl> Ken Johnson wrote: > In my newly built test server I have installed K12LTSP 6. I am trying > to install Moodle 1.8. > > I have followed the instructions in the K12LTSP- Moodle Howto. > > When I try to first connect to the Moodle Installation screens, in the > browser, it passes all the tests. > > When I get to the screen that prompts for the database name, username, > password etc. I enter this information, then I click "next". > > I get an error message in red that says: > > "We could not connect to the database you specified. Please check your > database settings." > > What am I doing wrong and how do I check the database settings? > > I have entered the correct username and password. > > Help! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ** -is the database running? (service mysqld start) or check ps aux|grep mysql -has the moodle database been created properly?; did you see the setup script create the zillions of tables? otherwise do: mysql -u root -p....and then creatate database moodle ; GRANT SELECT,INSERT,UPDATE,DELETE,CREATE,CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES, DROP,INDEX,ALTER ON moodle.* TO moodleuser at localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'yourpassword'; -are you running a firewall that bloacks access? (iptables -L -n and see if port 3306 is not blocked out) euhhh From I.Derks at translucent.nl Thu Sep 20 21:01:33 2007 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:01:33 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Failed Moodle Install - Why ? In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf20709201318w5b07bd2exa062bdf684789b8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf20709201318w5b07bd2exa062bdf684789b8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F2DFAD.8020701@translucent.nl> > > I get an error message in red that says: > > "We could not connect to the database you specified. Please check your > database settings." > > What am I doing wrong and how do I check the database settings? mysql> *SHOW DATABASES;* From peter at scheie.homedns.org Thu Sep 20 22:20:40 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:20:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X with Linux or Windows Home Folders? In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0709201040j4bb9c465rfd2bf242d410b90e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0709201040j4bb9c465rfd2bf242d410b90e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F2F238.1030506@scheie.homedns.org> Not quite sure if this will help you, but you might look at afpfs-ng which allows you to mount Apple shared volumes onto Linux machines. http://alexthepuffin.googlepages.com/home Peter Shane Sammons wrote: > Maybe someone here would know. I have search Google and I keep getting > instructions on NFS shares, Samba, etc. Yet, not one has been setting up > and moving user home folder in OS X Workgroup Manager from local AFP > shares to an SMB or NFS share. > > I created a basic Windows share and entered smb:\\192.168.168.6\students > with username in both of its fields and that didn't work. I then tried > the username:password at Workgroup/servername/share format. Still account > were made locally. > > I am not going to setup an Ubuntu Server and see if I can do it with NFS > shares. However, again no luck with finding documentation on it. I have > found notes of issues with the file locking of 10.3 systems which we use. > > Would anyone here know and be a good resource for this or perhaps could > direct me to some documentation? > > Thanks, > Shane Sammons > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ken.tech1 at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 21:28:33 2007 From: ken.tech1 at gmail.com (Ken Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:28:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Failed Moodle Install - Why ? In-Reply-To: <46F2DFAD.8020701@translucent.nl> References: <1eb89cf20709201318w5b07bd2exa062bdf684789b8c@mail.gmail.com> <46F2DFAD.8020701@translucent.nl> Message-ID: <1eb89cf20709201428w55ca817ew5092c948ad291363@mail.gmail.com> I reinstalled K12LTSP twice, followed the Moodle Howto twice, both times wit the same result. The setup created what it was supposed to, I run SHOW DATABASES and the Moodle Database shows up. Service mysql start shows ok. Is it a permissions issue? How should it be set? Whatever mistake I'm making, I'm consistent (both installs) I'm almost over the goal line, but I'm a few yards short. On 9/20/07, Immanuel Derks wrote: > > > > > > I get an error message in red that says: > > > > "We could not connect to the database you specified. Please check your > > database settings." > > > > What am I doing wrong and how do I check the database settings? > > mysql> *SHOW DATABASES;* > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Sep 21 03:31:07 2007 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:31:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X with Linux or Windows Home Folders? In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0709201040j4bb9c465rfd2bf242d410b90e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0709201040j4bb9c465rfd2bf242d410b90e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070921032045.M91678@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:40:52 -0400, Shane Sammons wrote > Maybe someone here would know. I have search Google and I keep getting > instructions on NFS shares, Samba, etc. Yet, not one has been setting up and > moving user home folder in OS X Workgroup Manager from local AFP shares to > an SMB or NFS share. > > I created a basic Windows share and entered smb:\\192.168.168.6\students > with username in both of its fields and that didn't work. I then tried the > username:password at Workgroup/servername/share format. Still account were made > locally. > > I am not going to setup an Ubuntu Server and see if I can do it with NFS > shares. However, again no luck with finding documentation on it. I have > found notes of issues with the file locking of 10.3 systems which we use. > > Would anyone here know and be a good resource for this or perhaps could > direct me to some documentation? > > Thanks, > Shane Sammons Well this isn't exactly for what you want to do, but maybe it will give you a clue as to what you need to do. Here is a howto I posted a few years back on getting OSX to work with LDAP and NFS home's. http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html Section 3 and 4 might have what you need. If your setup is currently using the local /home folder you could use these instructions to mount /home from a nfs server on startup to your local /home server (if your user data is stored in a different location by default such as Users, you should be able to change the instructions to use that location). Warning, you can hose a system pretty quick in NetInfo Manager. Have a backup :-) One other thing I had a problem with. Mac doesn't use a file extension by default and store data about the file in a bazillion .Apple* whatever files. For some reason this broke for me when using NFS. All files needed an extension or they just showed up with a terminal icon and users didn't know how to open them. I think NFS breaks apples communication with the sill .Apple crap, where AFP and SMB didn't. Maybe I was one of the lucky ones to get this problem and things will be better for you. Fix, make users add extensions to all their files (yeah right). If you want to use samba, you may be able to change the vfstype to smb. Hope this helps. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From I.Derks at translucent.nl Fri Sep 21 04:00:43 2007 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:00:43 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Failed Moodle Install - Why ? In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf20709201428w55ca817ew5092c948ad291363@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf20709201318w5b07bd2exa062bdf684789b8c@mail.gmail.com> <46F2DFAD.8020701@translucent.nl> <1eb89cf20709201428w55ca817ew5092c948ad291363@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F341EB.1070103@translucent.nl> Ken Johnson wrote: > I reinstalled K12LTSP twice, followed the Moodle Howto twice, both > times wit the same result. The setup created what it was supposed to, > I run SHOW DATABASES and the Moodle Database shows up. Service mysql > start shows ok. > > Is it a permissions issue? How should it be set? > Could be.... What is the moodle.conf looking like in /etc/httpd/conf.d ? Dit you chown apache.apache the document root dir of the webserver? Immanuel From shane.sammons at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 00:45:50 2007 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:45:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X with Linux or Windows Home Folders? In-Reply-To: <46F2F238.1030506@scheie.homedns.org> References: <3610bbec0709201040j4bb9c465rfd2bf242d410b90e@mail.gmail.com> <46F2F238.1030506@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <3610bbec0709201745h7ba45f48o278be2eebdb82922@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Peter. This might come in handy if I can get shared setup. I don't image it to be too hard, I have just never had to do it on Linux before. On 9/20/07, Peter Scheie wrote: > > Not quite sure if this will help you, but you might look at afpfs-ng > which allows you to mount Apple shared volumes onto Linux machines. > > http://alexthepuffin.googlepages.com/home > > Peter > > Shane Sammons wrote: > > Maybe someone here would know. I have search Google and I keep getting > > instructions on NFS shares, Samba, etc. Yet, not one has been setting up > > and moving user home folder in OS X Workgroup Manager from local AFP > > shares to an SMB or NFS share. > > > > I created a basic Windows share and entered smb:\\192.168.168.6\students > > with username in both of its fields and that didn't work. I then tried > > the username:password at Workgroup/servername/share format. Still account > > were made locally. > > > > I am not going to setup an Ubuntu Server and see if I can do it with NFS > > shares. However, again no luck with finding documentation on it. I have > > found notes of issues with the file locking of 10.3 systems which we > use. > > > > Would anyone here know and be a good resource for this or perhaps could > > direct me to some documentation? > > > > Thanks, > > Shane Sammons > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken.tech1 at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 04:21:48 2007 From: ken.tech1 at gmail.com (Ken Johnson) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:21:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Failed Moodle Install - Why? Message-ID: <1eb89cf20709192121o5f3761bci8050c0efb68e3832@mail.gmail.com> In my newly built test server I have installed K12LTSP 6. I am trying to install Moodle 1.8. I have followed the instructions in the K12LTSP- Moodle Howto. When I try to first connect to the Moodle Installation screens, in the browser, it passes all the tests. When I get to the screen that prompts for the database name, username, password etc. I click "next" I get an error message in red that says: "We could not connect to the database you specified. Please check your database settings." What am I doing wrong and how do I check the database settings? I have entered the correct username and password. Help! Ken Johnson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shane.sammons at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 14:36:22 2007 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:36:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X with Linux or Windows Home Folders? In-Reply-To: <20070921032045.M91678@winonacotter.org> References: <3610bbec0709201040j4bb9c465rfd2bf242d410b90e@mail.gmail.com> <20070921032045.M91678@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <3610bbec0709210736p6da3b660o53dc090d8656312d@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Jim! I will let you know how I make out, I just got Ubuntu Desktop (7.04) installed on my server now updating, for some reason the server version wouldn't initialize the keyboard. I will see how I make out with the sharing on Linux. I also have the Windows 2003 server to keep playing with as well. Hopefully I will find a way to move the students network systems off to one of the two servers. Both have 250Gb mirrored drives, much better then the single 60 un-mirrored on the OSX server (don't ask was purchased before I got here). Again thank you for the help so far. --Shane On 9/20/07, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:40:52 -0400, Shane Sammons wrote > > Maybe someone here would know. I have search Google and I keep getting > > instructions on NFS shares, Samba, etc. Yet, not one has been setting up > and > > moving user home folder in OS X Workgroup Manager from local AFP shares > to > > an SMB or NFS share. > > > > I created a basic Windows share and entered smb:\\192.168.168.6\students > > with username in both of its fields and that didn't work. I then tried > the > > username:password at Workgroup/servername/share format. Still account were > made > > locally. > > > > I am not going to setup an Ubuntu Server and see if I can do it with NFS > > shares. However, again no luck with finding documentation on it. I have > > found notes of issues with the file locking of 10.3 systems which we > use. > > > > Would anyone here know and be a good resource for this or perhaps could > > direct me to some documentation? > > > > Thanks, > > Shane Sammons > > Well this isn't exactly for what you want to do, but maybe it will give > you a clue as to > what you need to do. Here is a howto I posted a few years back on getting > OSX to work > with LDAP and NFS home's. http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html > > Section 3 and 4 might have what you need. If your setup is currently > using the local > /home folder you could use these instructions to mount /home from a nfs > server on > startup to your local /home server (if your user data is stored in a > different location > by default such as Users, you should be able to change the instructions to > use that > location). Warning, you can hose a system pretty quick in NetInfo > Manager. Have a > backup :-) > > One other thing I had a problem with. Mac doesn't use a file extension by > default and > store data about the file in a bazillion .Apple* whatever files. For some > reason this > broke for me when using NFS. All files needed an extension or they just > showed up with > a terminal icon and users didn't know how to open them. I think NFS > breaks apples > communication with the sill .Apple crap, where AFP and SMB didn't. Maybe > I was one of > the lucky ones to get this problem and things will be better for > you. Fix, make users > add extensions to all their files (yeah right). > > If you want to use samba, you may be able to change the vfstype to smb. > > Hope this helps. > Jim > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm hoping this will help someone else and perhaps the configuration example can be corrected. -- Jon Harder Mountain Lake (MN) Public Schools From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Fri Sep 21 17:36:45 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:36:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <46F4012D.7000102@bio-chemvalve.com> I looked into 'subst' at your suggestion, but it appears to only allow you to assign a drive letter (and not a folder). But your suggestion led me to the following links, which show how to make a unix-like link on a windows system. I'm going to try this as soon as my users log off. http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=5&threadID=185413&messageID=1895059 http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9D467A69-57FF-4AE7-96EE-B18C4790CFFD&displaylang=en -Rob Steve Gilmore wrote: > Rob, > Maybe the 'subst' command could help you. > http://www.windowsinternals.com/mapping-drive-letters-to-local-folders-with-subst/ > > http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-5975262.html > > cheers > SteveG > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Owens" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:22 AM > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? > > >> I know some of the guys on this list have implemented roaming profiles >> using samba--maybe that knowledge can help me w/ my windows problem. I >> want to move the "documents and settings" folder on our windows terminal >> server to a new drive. The instructions I've found on microsoft's >> website include a step which requires you to edit every registry entry >> that contains the path c:\documents and settings. I looked through my >> registry and stopped counting when I hit 500 occurrences of this path. >> Is there an easier way? >> >> Sorry for the Windows question, but it's all part of my long-term plan >> to put Linux on the desktop. >> >> -Rob >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Fri Sep 21 18:05:04 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:05:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: <46F4012D.7000102@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> <46F4012D.7000102@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <46F407D0.9070306@bio-chemvalve.com> Note that the first link I provided below has incorrect information. The correct way to make a link is: linkd -Rob Rob Owens wrote: > I looked into 'subst' at your suggestion, but it appears to only allow > you to assign a drive letter (and not a folder). But your suggestion > led me to the following links, which show how to make a unix-like link > on a windows system. I'm going to try this as soon as my users log off. > > http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=5&threadID=185413&messageID=1895059 > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9D467A69-57FF-4AE7-96EE-B18C4790CFFD&displaylang=en > > -Rob > > Steve Gilmore wrote: >> Rob, >> Maybe the 'subst' command could help you. >> http://www.windowsinternals.com/mapping-drive-letters-to-local-folders-with-subst/ >> >> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-5975262.html >> >> cheers >> SteveG >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Owens" >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:22 AM >> Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? >> >> >>> I know some of the guys on this list have implemented roaming profiles >>> using samba--maybe that knowledge can help me w/ my windows problem. I >>> want to move the "documents and settings" folder on our windows terminal >>> server to a new drive. The instructions I've found on microsoft's >>> website include a step which requires you to edit every registry entry >>> that contains the path c:\documents and settings. I looked through my >>> registry and stopped counting when I hit 500 occurrences of this path. >>> Is there an easier way? >>> >>> Sorry for the Windows question, but it's all part of my long-term plan >>> to put Linux on the desktop. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 19:15:04 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:15:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X with Linux or Windows Home Folders? In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0709201040j4bb9c465rfd2bf242d410b90e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0709201040j4bb9c465rfd2bf242d410b90e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709211515.04189.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Thursday 20 September 2007 13:40, Shane Sammons wrote: > Maybe someone here would know. I have search Google and I keep getting > instructions on NFS shares, Samba, etc. Yet, not one has been setting up > and moving user home folder in OS X Workgroup Manager from local AFP shares > to an SMB or NFS share. > > I created a basic Windows share and entered smb:\\192.168.168.6\students > with username in both of its fields and that didn't work. I then tried the > username:password at Workgroup/servername/share format. Still account were > made locally. > > I am not going to setup an Ubuntu Server and see if I can do it with NFS > shares. However, again no luck with finding documentation on it. I have > found notes of issues with the file locking of 10.3 systems which we use. > > Would anyone here know and be a good resource for this or perhaps could > direct me to some documentation? > Well, here is something that I ran accross that uses Linux servers (with LDAP, Samba, and NFS) *instead* of Mac OS X servers for heterogenous authentication and fileservice (Linux/Windows/Mac). This doesn't use Workgroup Manager, but it might help anyway: http://www.cs.dixie.edu/ldap/ I have implemented the LDAP part and it works great, I haven't done the NFS part yet (next week I'll try it out), but users can manually connect to their home folders on the server via SMB/CIFS using the Finder. I am new to Mac, but have had years of experience with FreeBSD and Linux. I used K12LTSP-5EL (CentOS 5 based) and the "smbldap-installer" script. There were some things I had to work around to make it work, but it allows me to use the "smbldap-tools" for user and group managment. If anyone wants my notes on getting smbldap-installer working with K12LTSP-5EL/CentOS 5 sent me a note. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From pnelson.k12 at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 06:54:37 2007 From: pnelson.k12 at gmail.com (Paul Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:54:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Failed Moodle Install - Why ? In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf20709201428w55ca817ew5092c948ad291363@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf20709201318w5b07bd2exa062bdf684789b8c@mail.gmail.com> <46F2DFAD.8020701@translucent.nl> <1eb89cf20709201428w55ca817ew5092c948ad291363@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <508f42dc0709212354g4e79b2b5j3bc528a2d044059d@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/07, Ken Johnson wrote: > I reinstalled K12LTSP twice, followed the Moodle Howto twice, both times wit > the same result. The setup created what it was supposed to, I run SHOW > DATABASES and the Moodle Database shows up. Service mysql start shows ok. > > Is it a permissions issue? How should it be set? > > Whatever mistake I'm making, I'm consistent (both installs) > > I'm almost over the goal line, but I'm a few yards short. > > > On 9/20/07, Immanuel Derks wrote: > > > > > > > > I get an error message in red that says: > > > > > > "We could not connect to the database you specified. Please check your > > > database settings." > > > > > > What am I doing wrong and how do I check the database settings? Make sure you have the right database name, password and user. You can test this by logging into mysql with your moodle user name. mysql -u moodleusername -p (replace moodle username with yours) mysql wiil ask you for your password and if you get it right, you'll be able to login. These are the same usernames and passwords you should be entering in the web based moodle install but instead, you're testing them in a terminal window. Once you're in mysql you can test the database name by typing: use moodledb; (replace with name of your database.) Be sure you deal with step 14 in the howto and address selinux issues. If you are sure you have the right database info and you've set permissions on the moodledata directory correctly then you can go ahead an manually edit the site/default/settings.php file, but from the error message you're getting I'm 99.999% sure that you have a typo in your database name, username or password. ;-) Paul From ken.tech1 at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 08:38:11 2007 From: ken.tech1 at gmail.com (Ken Johnson) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:38:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Failed Moodle Install - Why ? In-Reply-To: <508f42dc0709212354g4e79b2b5j3bc528a2d044059d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf20709201318w5b07bd2exa062bdf684789b8c@mail.gmail.com> <46F2DFAD.8020701@translucent.nl> <1eb89cf20709201428w55ca817ew5092c948ad291363@mail.gmail.com> <508f42dc0709212354g4e79b2b5j3bc528a2d044059d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1eb89cf20709220138k4576b760mcbffe42ba4c06586@mail.gmail.com> You are correct. It was a typo. Good thing I don't work at a nuclear power plant. Thanks On 9/21/07, Paul Nelson wrote: > > On 9/20/07, Ken Johnson wrote: > > I reinstalled K12LTSP twice, followed the Moodle Howto twice, both times > wit > > the same result. The setup created what it was supposed to, I run SHOW > > DATABASES and the Moodle Database shows up. Service mysql start shows > ok. > > > > Is it a permissions issue? How should it be set? > > > > Whatever mistake I'm making, I'm consistent (both installs) > > > > I'm almost over the goal line, but I'm a few yards short. > > > > > > On 9/20/07, Immanuel Derks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I get an error message in red that says: > > > > > > > > "We could not connect to the database you specified. Please check > your > > > > database settings." > > > > > > > > What am I doing wrong and how do I check the database settings? > > Make sure you have the right database name, password and user. You can > test this by logging into mysql with your moodle user name. > > mysql -u moodleusername -p (replace moodle username with yours) > > mysql wiil ask you for your password and if you get it right, you'll > be able to login. These are the same usernames and passwords you > should be entering in the web based moodle install but instead, you're > testing them in a terminal window. > > Once you're in mysql you can test the database name by typing: > use moodledb; (replace with name of your database.) > > Be sure you deal with step 14 in the howto and address selinux issues. > If you are sure you have the right database info and you've set > permissions on the moodledata directory correctly then you can go > ahead an manually edit the site/default/settings.php file, but from > the error message you're getting I'm 99.999% sure that you have a typo > in your database name, username or password. > > ;-) Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Sat Sep 22 19:34:42 2007 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:34:42 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server Message-ID: I am using a floppy to boot onto the LTSP server. It is working fine. The clients can log in and access the Internet. =] When the client doesn't boot from the floppy, it loads up Windows (2000). It is unable to find the "tree server" to authenticate the Windows user. However, if I say "Yes" to work on the Window's desktop, I can access the Internet. On the Fedora Core 5 server that is running K12LTSP, I tried: #echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and that took care of the Windows client being able to access the Internet. I tried: #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying on and there was no change so I entered #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying off I restarted the server, for another attempt at solving this. I turned off the firewall, installed and ran squid. I made the changes discussed in http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-August/msg00221.html but it failed to #service squid restart. I removed the transparent value and #service squid restart worked fine. I tried #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying on again. This time it couldn't be found. I listed all the values for chkconfig and it wasn't on the list. I am not sure how I removed that item, is there a way I can get it back? Below is what the ipconfig looks like on the Window's client. E:\>ipconfig /all Windows 2000 IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : c-23 Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ltsp Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ltsp Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-01-04-EB-12-1C DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.218 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Friday, September 21, 2007 4:25:40 PM Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, September 21, 2007 10:25:40PM As a Windows client, I am able to ping outside of the 192.168.0.0 LAN and onto the school's regular network. I believe nat is working because I can access the Internet on the Window's client. I am not sure what else to try. The transparent thing is my only guess. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail. Even hotter than before. Get a better look now. www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA148 From sjxn at bigpond.net.au Sat Sep 22 22:23:11 2007 From: sjxn at bigpond.net.au (Steve Jackson) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:23:11 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F595CF.2090809@bigpond.net.au> This sounds like a DNS lookup problem to me. DNS is used to locate domain servers in Active Directory, assuming that's what you mean by "tree server" - and the same for Novell I think. To diagnose, I would hand-configure the W2K DNS server entry to be the same address as it would get if it were connected to the "main" network, and see if it now works. If it does, you need to look at where the LTSP server's DNS service is forwarding requests it can't handle to, and make it try the "main" network's DNS. If your LTSP server doesn't have a DNS service, change its DHCP config to tell the clients to use the main DNS address. Transparent proxying only affects web traffic IIRC (and I'm not sure what's going on with squid, can't help there). The ip_forward setting must be 1. NAT must be used unless the "main" network knows how to route packets back into the "terminal & w2k" network. Steve jones yeates wrote: > I am using a floppy to boot onto the LTSP server. It is working > fine. The clients can log in and access the Internet. =] > > When the client doesn't boot from the floppy, it loads up Windows > (2000). It is unable to find the "tree server" to authenticate the > Windows user. However, if I say "Yes" to work on the Window's > desktop, I can access the Internet. > > On the Fedora Core 5 server that is running K12LTSP, I tried: > #echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > and that took care of the Windows client being able to access the > Internet. > > I tried: > #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying on > and there was no change so I entered > #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying off > > I restarted the server, for another attempt at solving this. > I turned off the firewall, installed and ran squid. I made the > changes discussed in > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-August/msg00221.html but it > failed to #service squid restart. I removed the transparent value and > #service squid restart worked fine. > > I tried > #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying on > again. This time it couldn't be found. I listed all the values for > chkconfig and it wasn't on the list. I am not sure how I removed that > item, is there a way I can get it back? > > Below is what the ipconfig looks like on the Window's client. > > E:\>ipconfig /all > Windows 2000 IP Configuration > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : c-23 > Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ltsp > Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ltsp > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network > Connection > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-01-04-EB-12-1C > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.218 > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Friday, September 21, 2007 > 4:25:40 PM > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, September 21, 2007 > 10:25:40PM > > As a Windows client, I am able to ping outside of the 192.168.0.0 LAN > and onto the school's regular network. I believe nat is working > because I can access the Internet on the Window's client. > > > I am not sure what else to try. The transparent thing is my only guess. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail. Even hotter than before. Get a better look now. > www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA148 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sun Sep 23 08:39:48 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:39:48 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: <46F266BF.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919153055.M22450@winonacotter.org> <46F144A5.9090708@paasda.org> <46F15751.7020806@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919171356.M87942@winonacotter.org><20070919171356.M87942@winonacotter.org> <46F15B4F.8000303@paasda.org> <46F266BF.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <46F62654.9040804@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Sorry if I'm being a little slow here but aren't all the folders in doc's & settings controlled by one section of the registry ?? What we do is alter the location of My Doc's at login by using a login script that just alters the following in there registry HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders and HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders My doc's is the key called "Personal" so I have a kixscript that does this :alter_my_docs ;************************************************ ;* - Alter My Documents - * ;************************************************ $ikey="HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders" IF (WriteValue($ikey,"Personal",$mydocs,"REG_SZ") <> 0) ? "Update error MyDocuments @error: @serror" ENDIF $ikey="HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders" IF (WriteValue($ikey,"Personal",$mydocs,"REG_SZ") <> 0) ? "Update error MyDocuments @error: @serror" ENDIF RETURN where $mydocs = there P: drive (why P:, p for personal :-) ) If you look at the Samba How to they have a whole section on "Folder Redirection" have a look at this http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba_&_Windows_Profiles#Folder_Redirection & http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/happy.html#redirfold Something we also do is to use poledit to remove all files except for "favourites" (could alter registry to store this on there P: drive) from the users profile and delete profiles as they logout so keeping what's held in there roaming profile to a minimum. If you'd like a complete copy of the login.kix script let me know. Brian Doug Simpson wrote: > For teachers, they will learn after their "profile" disappears a few times to put their stuff in their H drive. > > For students, we had linux/samba set up and I had my samba server set up so that their profile was stored on the server but as soon as they logged out, samba deleted the server copy of their profile. Then, we had DriveShield (similar to DeepFreeze without the lockup problems) installed and once the computers were rebooted, they came back clean. . .(no local profiles, either) MAJOR space saver!!!!!!on the server and the workstation. > > If you would like assistance with setting this up in samba (the client-side stuff is a different animal) let me know and I can give you pointers and examples to make ti clean those wasteful profiles off the server at least. Then you can decide how to handle the client-side cleanup. > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > >>>> Huck 9/19/2007 12:24 PM >>> >>>> > Huck is of no use here as well...sorry :( > I only know of the other because when using Samba with roaming > profiles...when staff members put all of their files in My Documents(the > default location)...their login and logout times stretch over a > millennium it seems...and for some reason they do NOT listen when you > request/explain/ask/nudge/encourage them to save to the NETWORK drive(s). > > --Huck > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:07:29 -0400, Rob Owens wrote >> >>> Jim and Huck, thanks for the responses. But I want to move not just "My >>> Documents", but the entire Documents and Settings folder. The reason is >>> that things like temporary internet files, etc. are filling up the very >>> small C drive on my terminal server. Users are instructed to save all >>> of their "stuff" on a network drive anyway, so My Documents doesn't >>> actually take up much space. >>> >>> Also, to be clear, I'd like to set it up so that all new users get their >>> settings put in d:\documents and settings\username >>> >>> -Rob >>> >> Ahh, my apologies. I misread your original email which was very clear in stating you >> wanted to move Documents and Settings. Can't say I can help you there. >> >> Jim >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Sun Sep 23 17:38:36 2007 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:38:36 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server In-Reply-To: <46F595CF.2090809@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: I forgot to mention that it is a Novell 4.83 client that is trying to log onto the Windows network. I will try changing the DNS server address, as soon as I get into work on Monday. Should I get the dhcp server on the LAN to send out the ip address for the DNS server on the school's network (10.*.*.*), instead of the 192.168.0.254? I am a little unclear as to why the DNS server wouldn't be working for the Novell login. If the Internet is working, then wouldn't the DNS be doing its job? I believe the client goes to the ltsp server (for dns) then from there it would contact the other servers for name info. >From: Steve Jackson >Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server >Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:23:11 +1000 > >This sounds like a DNS lookup problem to me. DNS is used to locate domain >servers in Active Directory, assuming that's what you mean by "tree server" >- and the same for Novell I think. >To diagnose, I would hand-configure the W2K DNS server entry to be the same >address as it would get if it were connected to the "main" network, and see >if it now works. If it does, you need to look at where the LTSP server's >DNS service is forwarding requests it can't handle to, and make it try the >"main" network's DNS. If your LTSP server doesn't have a DNS service, >change its DHCP config to tell the clients to use the main DNS address. > >Transparent proxying only affects web traffic IIRC (and I'm not sure what's >going on with squid, can't help there). The ip_forward setting must be 1. >NAT must be used unless the "main" network knows how to route packets back >into the "terminal & w2k" network. > >Steve > >jones yeates wrote: >>I am using a floppy to boot onto the LTSP server. It is working fine. >>The clients can log in and access the Internet. =] >> >>When the client doesn't boot from the floppy, it loads up Windows (2000). >>It is unable to find the "tree server" to authenticate the Windows user. >>However, if I say "Yes" to work on the Window's desktop, I can access the >>Internet. >> >>On the Fedora Core 5 server that is running K12LTSP, I tried: >> #echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward >>and that took care of the Windows client being able to access the >>Internet. >> >>I tried: >> #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying on >>and there was no change so I entered >> #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying off >> >>I restarted the server, for another attempt at solving this. >>I turned off the firewall, installed and ran squid. I made the changes >>discussed in >>http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-August/msg00221.html but it >>failed to #service squid restart. I removed the transparent value and >>#service squid restart worked fine. >> >>I tried >> #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying on >>again. This time it couldn't be found. I listed all the values for >>chkconfig and it wasn't on the list. I am not sure how I removed that >>item, is there a way I can get it back? >> >>Below is what the ipconfig looks like on the Window's client. >> >>E:\>ipconfig /all >>Windows 2000 IP Configuration >> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : c-23 >> Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : >> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid >> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ltsp >>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: >> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ltsp >> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network >>Connection >> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-01-04-EB-12-1C >> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >> Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.218 >> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 >> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 >> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 >> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Friday, September 21, 2007 >>4:25:40 PM >> Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, September 21, 2007 >>10:25:40PM >> >>As a Windows client, I am able to ping outside of the 192.168.0.0 LAN and >>onto the school's regular network. I believe nat is working because I can >>access the Internet on the Window's client. >> >> >>I am not sure what else to try. The transparent thing is my only guess. >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Windows Live Hotmail. Even hotter than before. Get a better look now. >>www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA148 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Get Cultured With Arts & Culture Festivals On Live Maps http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca&v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!2010&encType=1&style=h&FORM=SERNEP From sjxn at bigpond.net.au Sun Sep 23 23:27:06 2007 From: sjxn at bigpond.net.au (Steve Jackson) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:27:06 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F6F64A.8050304@bigpond.net.au> I'm afraid I don't know how Novell logons work these days, so I can't be much more help. Do Novell logons work through NAT in other circumstances? If it were AD I'd suspect your LTSP DNS was forwarding direct to a DNS on the internet (such as your ISP or maybe a router) that didn't have the entries for AD, but did allow name resolution for the Internet. Setting DHCP on the LTSP server to send out the main DNS server address would help for this problem, if the test I suggested before works; but it might break other things, if your terminals use names rather than ip addresses for their logging server or other things (is DNS on your LTSP server just a caching server?). It would be better to make sure the LTSP server is forwarding to the main network's DNS server rather than (or as well as, perhaps) direct to the internet. If that doesn't fix the problem, then there is something else going on here. If what I have suggested so far doesn't work, I'd use tcpdump or something better to sniff the traffic going in and out of the LTSP server on both interfaces, to see what gets through and what never comes back. Can the LTSP server ping the Novell login server, by ip address and by name? Can the Novell server ping the LTSP server? What iptables rules are in use on the LTSP server? These are all ideas for further investigation - sorry I can't be more specific, I haven't touched Netware for over 15 years (and for that matter, AD for over 4 years - but that's a different story)! jones yeates wrote: > I forgot to mention that it is a Novell 4.83 client that is trying to > log onto the Windows network. I will try changing the DNS server > address, as soon as I get into work on Monday. > > Should I get the dhcp server on the LAN to send out the ip address for > the DNS server on the school's network (10.*.*.*), instead of the > 192.168.0.254? > > I am a little unclear as to why the DNS server wouldn't be working for > the Novell login. If the Internet is working, then wouldn't the DNS > be doing its job? I believe the client goes to the ltsp server (for > dns) then from there it would contact the other servers for name info. > > >> From: Steve Jackson >> Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server >> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:23:11 +1000 >> >> This sounds like a DNS lookup problem to me. DNS is used to locate >> domain servers in Active Directory, assuming that's what you mean by >> "tree server" - and the same for Novell I think. >> To diagnose, I would hand-configure the W2K DNS server entry to be >> the same address as it would get if it were connected to the "main" >> network, and see if it now works. If it does, you need to look at >> where the LTSP server's DNS service is forwarding requests it can't >> handle to, and make it try the "main" network's DNS. If your LTSP >> server doesn't have a DNS service, change its DHCP config to tell the >> clients to use the main DNS address. >> >> Transparent proxying only affects web traffic IIRC (and I'm not sure >> what's going on with squid, can't help there). The ip_forward setting >> must be 1. NAT must be used unless the "main" network knows how to >> route packets back into the "terminal & w2k" network. >> >> Steve >> >> jones yeates wrote: >>> I am using a floppy to boot onto the LTSP server. It is working >>> fine. The clients can log in and access the Internet. =] >>> >>> When the client doesn't boot from the floppy, it loads up Windows >>> (2000). It is unable to find the "tree server" to authenticate the >>> Windows user. However, if I say "Yes" to work on the Window's >>> desktop, I can access the Internet. >>> >>> On the Fedora Core 5 server that is running K12LTSP, I tried: >>> #echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward >>> and that took care of the Windows client being able to access the >>> Internet. >>> >>> I tried: >>> #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying on >>> and there was no change so I entered >>> #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying off >>> >>> I restarted the server, for another attempt at solving this. >>> I turned off the firewall, installed and ran squid. I made the >>> changes discussed in >>> http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-August/msg00221.html but >>> it failed to #service squid restart. I removed the transparent >>> value and #service squid restart worked fine. >>> >>> I tried >>> #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying on >>> again. This time it couldn't be found. I listed all the values for >>> chkconfig and it wasn't on the list. I am not sure how I removed >>> that item, is there a way I can get it back? >>> >>> Below is what the ipconfig looks like on the Window's client. >>> >>> E:\>ipconfig /all >>> Windows 2000 IP Configuration >>> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : c-23 >>> Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : >>> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid >>> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>> DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ltsp >>> Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: >>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ltsp >>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE >>> Network Connection >>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-01-04-EB-12-1C >>> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >>> Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.218 >>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 >>> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 >>> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 >>> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Friday, September 21, >>> 2007 4:25:40 PM >>> Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, September 21, >>> 2007 10:25:40PM >>> >>> As a Windows client, I am able to ping outside of the 192.168.0.0 >>> LAN and onto the school's regular network. I believe nat is working >>> because I can access the Internet on the Window's client. >>> >>> >>> I am not sure what else to try. The transparent thing is my only >>> guess. >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Windows Live Hotmail. Even hotter than before. Get a better look >>> now. www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA148 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Cultured With Arts & Culture Festivals On Live Maps > http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca&v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!2010&encType=1&style=h&FORM=SERNEP > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mel at melwade.com Sun Sep 23 23:27:37 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:27:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <46E17785.5000900@cmosnetworks.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <46E0DB3E.2000402@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062215s542410d2y4a471ba78e017bad@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E034.1080702@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062238k55c286b5nbfadb1303fa56063@mail.gmail.com> <46E17785.5000900@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <43080f460709231627t41b684b3u58ad48ba597b5beb@mail.gmail.com> I'm coming back to this project. I've tried putting the options on the reservation and it then the client can't find the PXE/FTFP server. With the config as below I get a ERROR! DHCPD Failed! and a Kernel Panic. # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd # # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. # default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; authoritative; option subnet-mask 255.255.252.0; option broadcast-address 10.0.7.255; option routers 10.0.4.1; option domain-name-servers 10.0.4.10; option domain-name "ucastudent.net"; next-server 10.0.7.254; option root-path "10.0.7.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; option option-221 code 221 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 10.0.4.0 netmask 255.255.252.0 { range dynamic-bootp 10.0.7.10 10.0.7.150; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 10.0.4.11; # trick from Peter Rundle # newer Macs if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # really old iMacs elsif substring (option option-221, 0, 5) = "Apple" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # Intel PXE elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } # default to an i386 BOOTP image else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { option root-path "10.0.7.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; } else { option root-path "10.0.7.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; } } } group { use-host-decl-names on; host Boys002 { hardware ethernet 00:C0:4F:4C:95:56; fixed-address 10.0.7.2; #option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; #option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; } host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; fixed-address 10.0.7.1; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; } host ws002 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; fixed-address 10.0.7.2; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=ne"; } host ws003 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:28:B2; fixed-address 10.0.7.3; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } } On 9/7/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > 50 each...you *could* do individual DHCP reservations for, say, 50 of the > clients pointing to one LTSP server, and then have everyone else point to > the other LTSP server. A little high-maintenance, but it certainly does > work. Say your first LTSP server is 10.0.4.254 and your second one is > 10.0.5.254. You want to direct a specific client (MAC address > 11-22-33-44-55-66) to 10.0.5.254. > > host ws001 { > hardware ethernet 11:22:33:44:55:66: > option root-path "10.0.5.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > next-server "10.0.5.254"; > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > > Here's another option, the one I'd be looking at over the long haul. If > your router and your switches all support 802.1Q VLAN trunking, then I'd > pop each LTSP server in its own fully-routed IP subnet. For example, using > Cisco gear, something like this: > > ------------------------------------------------------ > interface FastEthernet0/1.101 > description LTSP Server #1's subnet > encapsulation dot1q 101 > ip address 10.0.8.1 255.255.255.0 > > interface FastEthernet0/1.102 > description LTSP Server #2's subnet > encapsulation dot1q 102 > ip address 10.0.9.1 255.255.255.0 > > ! This assumes that you propagate your routing table info via OSPF, like > we do in my district > router ospf 100 > network 10.0.8.1 0.0.0.0 area 0 > network 10.0.9.1 0.0.0.0 area 0 > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Then, make VLAN's 101 and 102 in your switch, turn on your trunking, and > pop whatever client ports you want for LTSP server #1 into VLAN 101, and the > client ports for LTSP server #2 into VLAN 102. Your LTSP servers will, of > course, need to be put into the new subnets and VLAN's as well. Note that > everything's still fully routable internally throughout the school; you're > not doing any NAT'ing here. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > Mel Wade wrote: > > 1. About 50 each. > 2. 10.0.4.0/22 - all clients > 3. one-NIC setup > > On 9/6/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > There are a couple of ways I can think of to do this: do it by subnet, or > do it by individual DHCP reservation. The first method scales for many > clients, but your network infrastructure really should support VLAN's. The > second method is very specific, but I find maintenance to be a pain if you > have to swap NIC's. > > A few more pieces of info would help: > > 1.) How many clients are we talking about directing to each LTSP server? > > 2.) What are the IP subnets being used on the LTSP client segment(s) of > each LTSP server? > > 3.) Are you using a two-NIC (classical) or one-NIC LTSP setup? > > --TP > > > > Mel Wade wrote: > I'm trying to use a third server as DHCP to direct specific clients to > one of two other LTSP servers. > > On 9/6/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > > Remember that K12LTSP actually does use LTSP, and furthermore, Eric makes > *minimal* changes...and I mean *minimal*. Really--it's nearly bone-stock > from upstream LTSP. The file locations are, with the exception of > /etc/dhcpd.conf, identical (IIRC, he renames it something like > /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf or something like that). By contrast, Edubuntu > tends to move the LTSP files into quite different locations (under /usr and > such) than upstream LTSP uses. Drives me nuts whenever I want to run > ltspadmin. > > Any time I use K12LTSP, I just use the LTSP docs, and I have yet to go > wrong. > > Anything in particular you're looking to figure out? > > --TP > > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! > > > Mel Wade wrote: > Anyone know where I can find DHCP documentation specific to K12LSTP > client booting? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Sep 24 03:37:36 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:37:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <43080f460709231627t41b684b3u58ad48ba597b5beb@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <46E0DB3E.2000402@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062215s542410d2y4a471ba78e017bad@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E034.1080702@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062238k55c286b5nbfadb1303fa56063@mail.gmail.com> <46E17785.5000900@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709231627t41b684b3u58ad48ba597b5beb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F73100.4050305@cmosnetworks.com> Are these clients PXE-booting, or are you using EtherBoot? Try sticking the line filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; in the Boys002 entry. I know, it's in the shared section, but just give it a try and see if it works. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Mel Wade wrote: > I'm coming back to this project. I've tried putting the options on > the reservation and it then the client can't find the PXE/FTFP server. > > With the config as below I get a ERROR! DHCPD Failed! and a Kernel Panic. > > # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd > # > # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd > # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. > # > default-lease-time 21600; > max-lease-time 21600; > ddns-update-style none; > allow booting; > allow bootp; > authoritative; > > option subnet-mask 255.255.252.0 ; > option broadcast-address 10.0.7.255 ; > option routers 10.0.4.1 ; > option domain-name-servers 10.0.4.10 ; > option domain-name " ucastudent.net "; > next-server 10.0.7.254 ; > option root-path "10.0.7.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > option option-128 code 128 = string; > option option-129 code 129 = text; > option option-221 code 221 = text; > > shared-network WORKSTATIONS { > subnet 10.0.4.0 netmask 255.255.252.0 > { > range dynamic-bootp 10.0.7.10 10.0.7.150 > ; > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 10.0.4.11 ; > > > # trick from Peter Rundle > > # newer Macs > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" > { > filename "yaboot"; > option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; > } > # really old iMacs > elsif substring (option option-221, 0, 5) = "Apple" > { > filename "yaboot"; > option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; > } > # Intel PXE > elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" > { > # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > # default to an i386 BOOTP image > else > { > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > } > > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { > option root-path "10.0.7.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; > } else { > option root-path "10.0.7.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 "; > } > } > } > group { > use-host-decl-names on; > > > > host Boys002 { > hardware ethernet 00:C0:4F:4C:95:56; > fixed-address 10.0.7.2 ; > #option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > #option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; > } > > host ws001 { > hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; > fixed-address 10.0.7.1 ; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; > } > host ws002 { > hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; > fixed-address 10.0.7.2 ; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=ne"; > } > host ws003 { > hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:28:B2; > fixed-address 10.0.7.3 ; > # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > > } > > > On 9/7/07, *"Terrell Prud? Jr."* < microman at cmosnetworks.com > > wrote: > > 50 each...you *could* do individual DHCP reservations for, say, 50 > of the clients pointing to one LTSP server, and then have everyone > else point to the other LTSP server. A little high-maintenance, > but it certainly does work. Say your first LTSP server is > 10.0.4.254 and your second one is 10.0.5.254 > . You want to direct a specific client (MAC > address 11-22-33-44-55-66) to 10.0.5.254 . > > host ws001 { > hardware ethernet 11:22:33:44:55:66: > option root-path "10.0.5.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > next-server "10.0.5.254 "; > filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > > Here's another option, the one I'd be looking at over the long > haul. If your router and your switches all support 802.1Q VLAN > trunking, then I'd pop each LTSP server in its own fully-routed IP > subnet. For example, using Cisco gear, something like this: > > ------------------------------------------------------ > interface FastEthernet0/1.101 > description LTSP Server #1's subnet > encapsulation dot1q 101 > ip address 10.0.8.1 255.255.255.0 > > > interface FastEthernet0/1.102 > description LTSP Server #2's subnet > encapsulation dot1q 102 > ip address 10.0.9.1 255.255.255.0 > > > ! This assumes that you propagate your routing table info via > OSPF, like we do in my district > router ospf 100 > network 10.0.8.1 0.0.0.0 area 0 > network 10.0.9.1 0.0.0.0 area 0 > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Then, make VLAN's 101 and 102 in your switch, turn on your > trunking, and pop whatever client ports you want for LTSP server > #1 into VLAN 101, and the client ports for LTSP server #2 into > VLAN 102. Your LTSP servers will, of course, need to be put into > the new subnets and VLAN's as well. Note that everything's still > fully routable internally throughout the school; you're not doing > any NAT'ing here. > > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate > antivirus protection! > > > Mel Wade wrote: >> 1. About 50 each. >> 2. 10.0.4.0/22 - all clients >> 3. one-NIC setup >> >> On 9/6/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." >> wrote: >> >>> There are a couple of ways I can think of to do this: do it by subnet, or >>> do it by individual DHCP reservation. The first method scales for many >>> clients, but your network infrastructure really should support VLAN's. The >>> >>> second method is very specific, but I find maintenance to be a pain if you >>> have to swap NIC's. >>> >>> A few more pieces of info would help: >>> >>> 1.) How many clients are we talking about directing to each LTSP server? >>> >>> >>> 2.) What are the IP subnets being used on the LTSP client segment(s) of >>> each LTSP server? >>> >>> 3.) Are you using a two-NIC (classical) or one-NIC LTSP setup? >>> >>> --TP >>> >>> >>> >>> Mel Wade wrote: >>> >>> I'm trying to use a third server as DHCP to direct specific clients to >>> one of two other LTSP servers. >>> >>> On 9/6/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Remember that K12LTSP actually does use LTSP, and furthermore, Eric makes >>> *minimal* changes...and I mean *minimal*. Really--it's nearly bone-stock >>> from upstream LTSP. The file locations are, with the exception of >>> >>> /etc/dhcpd.conf, identical (IIRC, he renames it something like >>> /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf or something like that). By contrast, Edubuntu >>> tends to move the LTSP files into quite different locations (under /usr and >>> >>> such) than upstream LTSP uses. Drives me nuts whenever I want to run >>> ltspadmin. >>> >>> Any time I use K12LTSP, I just use the LTSP docs, and I have yet to go >>> wrong. >>> >>> Anything in particular you're looking to figure out? >>> >>> >>> --TP >>> >>> _______________________________ >>> Do you GNU!? >>> Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! >>> >>> >>> Mel Wade wrote: >>> Anyone know where I can find DHCP documentation specific to K12LSTP >>> >>> client booting? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at strangelogic.co.uk Mon Sep 24 11:42:01 2007 From: jason at strangelogic.co.uk (Jason) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:42:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Old & Weird Request Message-ID: <46F7A289.8020605@strangelogic.com> Hi everyone. Firstly let me say hello as I am new to the list. so.... "Hello everyone :)" I have a somewhat weird request for help. I am trying to track down an old old 2.0.x version of the distro but am finding no luck anywhere. I am sure that some of you have worked out I am trying to follow the excellent K12LTSP and OpenMosix guide by James Jenson at http://www.k12ltsp.org/ltsp-om5.html If the ISOs exist somewhere out in the ether I'd be eminently grateful for a download from you, or alternatively will be more than happy to pay for you to post them to me, although I am in the UK, so that may make it more difficult. Thanks in advance for your help Kind Regards -- -- Jason Duke From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Sep 24 12:45:07 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:45:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Old & Weird Request Message-ID: <38014.216.24.126.67.1190637907.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Jason, this is were you need to be to download version 2 (.1.2) of K12LTSP . ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/2.1.2 Take Care, Barry Cisna From mel at melwade.com Mon Sep 24 14:39:09 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:39:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <46F73100.4050305@cmosnetworks.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <46E0DB3E.2000402@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062215s542410d2y4a471ba78e017bad@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E034.1080702@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062238k55c286b5nbfadb1303fa56063@mail.gmail.com> <46E17785.5000900@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709231627t41b684b3u58ad48ba597b5beb@mail.gmail.com> <46F73100.4050305@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <43080f460709240739p274dd1aax249926a13ae51789@mail.gmail.com> I gave that a try but no change... On 9/23/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > Are these clients PXE-booting, or are you using EtherBoot? Try sticking > the line > > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > > in the Boys002 entry. I know, it's in the shared section, but just give > it a try and see if it works. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Mel Wade wrote: > I gave that a try but no change... > > On 9/23/07, *"Terrell Prud? Jr."* > wrote: > > Are these clients PXE-booting, or are you using EtherBoot? Try > sticking the line > > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > > in the Boys002 entry. I know, it's in the shared section, but > just give it a try and see if it works. > > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate > antivirus protection! > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Mon Sep 24 15:24:45 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:24:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <46F7D1A8.5050203@cmosnetworks.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <46E0DB3E.2000402@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062215s542410d2y4a471ba78e017bad@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E034.1080702@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062238k55c286b5nbfadb1303fa56063@mail.gmail.com> <46E17785.5000900@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709231627t41b684b3u58ad48ba597b5beb@mail.gmail.com> <46F73100.4050305@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709240739p274dd1aax249926a13ae51789@mail.gmail.com> <46F7D1A8.5050203@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <43080f460709240824g21b9ef89w9e725e7bfbe09eeb@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I'm getting DHCP. I've got the whole network running on the dhcp server. If the thin client the DHCP response seems to be very slow. It takes 20-30 seconds to move beyond the dhcp part of the boot. On 9/24/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > Are you getting DHCP at all? Try popping a thick client on that segment > and see if you get an IP address. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > protection! > > > Mel Wade wrote: > > I gave that a try but no change... > > On 9/23/07, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > > > Are these clients PXE-booting, or are you using EtherBoot? Try sticking > > the line > > > > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > > > > in the Boys002 entry. I know, it's in the shared section, but just give > > it a try and see if it works. > > > > --TP > > _______________________________ > > Do you GNU!? > > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus > > protection! > > > > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjjggg at hotmail.com Mon Sep 24 16:48:08 2007 From: jjjggg at hotmail.com (JohnG) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:48:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Old & Weird Request References: <38014.216.24.126.67.1190637907.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: Also check here for other 2.0 versions: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/old/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Cisna" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Old & Weird Request > Jason, > > this is were you need to be to download version 2 (.1.2) > of K12LTSP . > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/2.1.2 > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Mon Sep 24 17:17:04 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:17:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: <46F62654.9040804@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919153055.M22450@winonacotter.org> <46F144A5.9090708@paasda.org> <46F15751.7020806@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919171356.M87942@winonacotter.org><20070919171356.M87942@winonacotter.org> <46F15B4F.8000303@paasda.org> <46F266BF.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <46F62654.9040804@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <46F7F110.6030900@bio-chemvalve.com> I'm looking to move the entire Documents and Settings folder, not just My Documents. Does your method affect the entire Documents and Settings folder? If so, then I'll give it a try. -Rob Brian Chivers wrote: > Sorry if I'm being a little slow here but aren't all the folders in > doc's & settings controlled by one section of the registry ?? > > What we do is alter the location of My Doc's at login by using a login > script that just alters the following in there registry > > HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell > Folders > > and > > HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User > Shell Folders > > My doc's is the key called "Personal" so I have a kixscript that does this > > :alter_my_docs > ;************************************************ > ;* - Alter My Documents - * > ;************************************************ > > $ikey="HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell > Folders" > IF (WriteValue($ikey,"Personal",$mydocs,"REG_SZ") <> 0) > ? "Update error MyDocuments @error: @serror" > ENDIF > > $ikey="HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User > Shell Folders" > IF (WriteValue($ikey,"Personal",$mydocs,"REG_SZ") <> 0) > ? "Update error MyDocuments @error: @serror" > ENDIF > RETURN > > where $mydocs = there P: drive (why P:, p for personal :-) ) > > If you look at the Samba How to they have a whole section on "Folder > Redirection" have a look at this > > http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba_&_Windows_Profiles#Folder_Redirection > > & > > http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/happy.html#redirfold > > Something we also do is to use poledit to remove all files except for > "favourites" (could alter registry to store this on there P: drive) from > the users profile and delete profiles as they logout so keeping what's > held in there roaming profile to a minimum. > > If you'd like a complete copy of the login.kix script let me know. > > Brian > > Doug Simpson wrote: >> For teachers, they will learn after their "profile" disappears a few >> times to put their stuff in their H drive. >> >> For students, we had linux/samba set up and I had my samba server set >> up so that their profile was stored on the server but as soon as they >> logged out, samba deleted the server copy of their profile. Then, we >> had DriveShield (similar to DeepFreeze without the lockup problems) >> installed and once the computers were rebooted, they came back clean. >> . .(no local profiles, either) MAJOR space saver!!!!!!on the server >> and the workstation. >> >> If you would like assistance with setting this up in samba (the >> client-side stuff is a different animal) let me know and I can give >> you pointers and examples to make ti clean those wasteful profiles off >> the server at least. Then you can decide how to handle the client-side >> cleanup. >> >> Doug >> >> Doug Simpson >> Technology Specialist >> De Queen Public Schools >> De Queen, AR >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> >> >>>>> Huck 9/19/2007 12:24 PM >>> >>>>> >> Huck is of no use here as well...sorry :( >> I only know of the other because when using Samba with roaming >> profiles...when staff members put all of their files in My >> Documents(the default location)...their login and logout times stretch >> over a millennium it seems...and for some reason they do NOT listen >> when you request/explain/ask/nudge/encourage them to save to the >> NETWORK drive(s). >> >> --Huck >> >> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:07:29 -0400, Rob Owens wrote >>> >>>> Jim and Huck, thanks for the responses. But I want to move not just >>>> "My >>>> Documents", but the entire Documents and Settings folder. The >>>> reason is >>>> that things like temporary internet files, etc. are filling up the very >>>> small C drive on my terminal server. Users are instructed to save all >>>> of their "stuff" on a network drive anyway, so My Documents doesn't >>>> actually take up much space. >>>> >>>> Also, to be clear, I'd like to set it up so that all new users get >>>> their >>>> settings put in d:\documents and settings\username >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >>> Ahh, my apologies. I misread your original email which was very >>> clear in stating you >>> wanted to move Documents and Settings. Can't say I can help you there. >>> Jim >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For >> more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 24 17:32:01 2007 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (RMSELTech) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:32:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] File permissions and ownership missing Message-ID: <46F7F491.1090708@earthlink.net> Has anyone ever seen a file that has no permissions and no ownership? [root at mail ~]# ls -l /home/afry/Drives total 0 ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /home/afry/Drives/My_Floppy I don't know why this file has no information -- I can't delete it. If I try to remove it as a file, the error message says it is a directory. If I try to remove it as a directory, the error message says "cannot lstat the filename". And I can't install IceWM because of it. (See the very end of the screen I copied and pasted below.) I really need to install Ice, because everyone is used to using IceWM as the default. I hope there are no other files like the above. It's almost as if it is corrupted somehow. I have pasted the screen that references this file when I try to install IceWM. Thanks, Rita Gibson RMSELTech [root at mail ~]# yum install icewm Loading "installonlyn" plugin Loading "protectbase" plugin Setting up Install Process Setting up repositories Reading repository metadata in from local files 0 packages excluded due to repository protections Parsing package install arguments Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.30-1.el5.rf set to be updated ---> Package icewm.x86_64 0:1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libImlib.so.1 for package: icewm --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package imlib.i386 1:1.9.13-1.el5.rf set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libgdk-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib --> Processing Dependency: libglib-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib --> Processing Dependency: libgtk-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib --> Processing Dependency: libgmodule-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package gtk+.i386 1:1.2.10-56.el5 set to be updated ---> Package glib.i386 1:1.2.10-20.el5 set to be updated --> Running transaction check Dependencies Resolved ============================================================================= Package Arch Version Repository Size ============================================================================= Installing: icewm i386 1.2.30-1.el5.rf rpmforge32 1.1 M icewm x86_64 1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 k12ltsp 793 k Installing for dependencies: glib i386 1:1.2.10-20.el5 k12ltsp 137 k gtk+ i386 1:1.2.10-56.el5 k12ltsp 923 k imlib i386 1:1.9.13-1.el5.rf rpmforge32 658 k Transaction Summary ============================================================================= Install 5 Package(s) Update 0 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Total download size: 3.5 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: Running Transaction Test error: failed to stat /home/afry/Drives/My_Floppy: Permission denied Finished Transaction Test Transaction Check Error: package imlib-1.9.13-30.fc6 (which is newer than imlib-1.9.13-1.el5.rf) is already installed Error Summary ------------- From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Sep 24 19:05:23 2007 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:05:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: easy way to move "documents and settings" folder? In-Reply-To: <46F7F110.6030900@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <46F13EC9.9090901@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919153055.M22450@winonacotter.org> <46F144A5.9090708@paasda.org> <46F15751.7020806@bio-chemvalve.com> <20070919171356.M87942@winonacotter.org><20070919171356.M87942@winonacotter.org> <46F15B4F.8000303@paasda.org> <46F266BF.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <46F62654.9040804@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <46F7F110.6030900@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <46F80A73.5000407@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> What I sent only effects My Doc's but with the info in the links I sent you should be able to add the extra folders in docs & settings. Brian Rob Owens wrote: > I'm looking to move the entire Documents and Settings folder, not just > My Documents. Does your method affect the entire Documents and Settings > folder? If so, then I'll give it a try. > > -Rob > > Brian Chivers wrote: > >> Sorry if I'm being a little slow here but aren't all the folders in >> doc's & settings controlled by one section of the registry ?? >> >> What we do is alter the location of My Doc's at login by using a login >> script that just alters the following in there registry >> >> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell >> Folders >> >> and >> >> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User >> Shell Folders >> >> My doc's is the key called "Personal" so I have a kixscript that does this >> >> :alter_my_docs >> ;************************************************ >> ;* - Alter My Documents - * >> ;************************************************ >> >> $ikey="HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell >> Folders" >> IF (WriteValue($ikey,"Personal",$mydocs,"REG_SZ") <> 0) >> ? "Update error MyDocuments @error: @serror" >> ENDIF >> >> $ikey="HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User >> Shell Folders" >> IF (WriteValue($ikey,"Personal",$mydocs,"REG_SZ") <> 0) >> ? "Update error MyDocuments @error: @serror" >> ENDIF >> RETURN >> >> where $mydocs = there P: drive (why P:, p for personal :-) ) >> >> If you look at the Samba How to they have a whole section on "Folder >> Redirection" have a look at this >> >> http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba_&_Windows_Profiles#Folder_Redirection >> >> & >> >> http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/happy.html#redirfold >> >> Something we also do is to use poledit to remove all files except for >> "favourites" (could alter registry to store this on there P: drive) from >> the users profile and delete profiles as they logout so keeping what's >> held in there roaming profile to a minimum. >> >> If you'd like a complete copy of the login.kix script let me know. >> >> Brian >> >> Doug Simpson wrote: >> >>> For teachers, they will learn after their "profile" disappears a few >>> times to put their stuff in their H drive. >>> >>> For students, we had linux/samba set up and I had my samba server set >>> up so that their profile was stored on the server but as soon as they >>> logged out, samba deleted the server copy of their profile. Then, we >>> had DriveShield (similar to DeepFreeze without the lockup problems) >>> installed and once the computers were rebooted, they came back clean. >>> . .(no local profiles, either) MAJOR space saver!!!!!!on the server >>> and the workstation. >>> >>> If you would like assistance with setting this up in samba (the >>> client-side stuff is a different animal) let me know and I can give >>> you pointers and examples to make ti clean those wasteful profiles off >>> the server at least. Then you can decide how to handle the client-side >>> cleanup. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> Doug Simpson >>> Technology Specialist >>> De Queen Public Schools >>> De Queen, AR >>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Huck 9/19/2007 12:24 PM >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> Huck is of no use here as well...sorry :( >>> I only know of the other because when using Samba with roaming >>> profiles...when staff members put all of their files in My >>> Documents(the default location)...their login and logout times stretch >>> over a millennium it seems...and for some reason they do NOT listen >>> when you request/explain/ask/nudge/encourage them to save to the >>> NETWORK drive(s). >>> >>> --Huck >>> >>> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:07:29 -0400, Rob Owens wrote >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jim and Huck, thanks for the responses. But I want to move not just >>>>> "My >>>>> Documents", but the entire Documents and Settings folder. The >>>>> reason is >>>>> that things like temporary internet files, etc. are filling up the very >>>>> small C drive on my terminal server. Users are instructed to save all >>>>> of their "stuff" on a network drive anyway, so My Documents doesn't >>>>> actually take up much space. >>>>> >>>>> Also, to be clear, I'd like to set it up so that all new users get >>>>> their >>>>> settings put in d:\documents and settings\username >>>>> >>>>> -Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Ahh, my apologies. I misread your original email which was very >>>> clear in stating you >>>> wanted to move Documents and Settings. Can't say I can help you there. >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For >>> more info see >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Sep 24 23:05:03 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:05:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] File permissions and ownership missing In-Reply-To: <46F7F491.1090708@earthlink.net> References: <46F7F491.1090708@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46F8429F.8050301@paasda.org> have you tried rm -rf /home/afry ?? --Huck RMSELTech wrote: > Has anyone ever seen a file that has no permissions and no ownership? > > [root at mail ~]# ls -l /home/afry/Drives > total 0 > ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /home/afry/Drives/My_Floppy > > I don't know why this file has no information -- I can't delete it. If I > try to remove it as a file, the error message says it is a directory. If > I try to remove it as a directory, the error message says "cannot lstat > the filename". And I > can't install IceWM because of it. (See the very end of the screen I > copied and pasted below.) > > I really need to install Ice, because everyone is used to using IceWM as > the default. I hope > there are no other files like the above. It's almost as if it is corrupted > somehow. > > I have pasted the screen that references this file when I try to install > IceWM. > > Thanks, > > Rita Gibson > RMSELTech > > [root at mail ~]# yum install icewm > Loading "installonlyn" plugin > Loading "protectbase" plugin > Setting up Install Process > Setting up repositories > Reading repository metadata in from local files > 0 packages excluded due to repository protections > Parsing package install arguments > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.30-1.el5.rf set to be updated > ---> Package icewm.x86_64 0:1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: libImlib.so.1 for package: icewm > --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package imlib.i386 1:1.9.13-1.el5.rf set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: libgdk-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib > --> Processing Dependency: libglib-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib > --> Processing Dependency: libgtk-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib > --> Processing Dependency: libgmodule-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib > --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package gtk+.i386 1:1.2.10-56.el5 set to be updated > ---> Package glib.i386 1:1.2.10-20.el5 set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > > Dependencies Resolved > > ============================================================================= > > Package Arch Version Repository Size > ============================================================================= > > Installing: > icewm i386 1.2.30-1.el5.rf rpmforge32 1.1 M > icewm x86_64 1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 k12ltsp > 793 k > Installing for dependencies: > glib i386 1:1.2.10-20.el5 k12ltsp 137 k > gtk+ i386 1:1.2.10-56.el5 k12ltsp 923 k > imlib i386 1:1.9.13-1.el5.rf rpmforge32 > 658 k > > Transaction Summary > ============================================================================= > > Install 5 Package(s) > Update 0 Package(s) > Remove 0 Package(s) > > Total download size: 3.5 M > Is this ok [y/N]: y > Downloading Packages: > Running Transaction Test > error: failed to stat /home/afry/Drives/My_Floppy: Permission denied > Finished Transaction Test > > > Transaction Check Error: > package imlib-1.9.13-30.fc6 (which is newer than imlib-1.9.13-1.el5.rf) > is already installed > > Error Summary > ------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Sep 24 23:06:09 2007 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:06:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <43080f460709240824g21b9ef89w9e725e7bfbe09eeb@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <46E0DB3E.2000402@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062215s542410d2y4a471ba78e017bad@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E034.1080702@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062238k55c286b5nbfadb1303fa56063@mail.gmail.com> <46E17785.5000900@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709231627t41b684b3u58ad48ba597b5beb@mail.gmail.com> <46F73100.4050305@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709240739p274dd1aax249926a13ae51789@mail.gmail.com> <46F7D1A8.5050203@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709240824g21b9ef89w9e725e7bfbe09eeb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F842E1.803@paasda.org> 20-30 seconds? wiring? Mel Wade wrote: > Yes, I'm getting DHCP. I've got the whole network running on the dhcp > server. If the thin client the DHCP response seems to be very slow. It > takes 20-30 seconds to move beyond the dhcp part of the boot. > > On 9/24/07, *"Terrell Prud? Jr."* > wrote: > > Are you getting DHCP at all? Try popping a thick client on that > segment and see if you get an IP address. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate > antivirus protection! > > > Mel Wade wrote: >> I gave that a try but no change... >> >> On 9/23/07, *"Terrell Prud? Jr."* < microman at cmosnetworks.com >> > wrote: >> >> Are these clients PXE-booting, or are you using EtherBoot? >> Try sticking the line >> >> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; >> >> in the Boys002 entry. I know, it's in the shared section, but >> just give it a try and see if it works. >> >> >> --TP >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate >> antivirus protection! >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mel Wade >> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men >> do." - BF Skinner >> http://www.melwade.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Sep 25 00:49:14 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:49:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] File permissions and ownership missing In-Reply-To: <46F7F491.1090708@earthlink.net> References: <46F7F491.1090708@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46F85B0A.108@scheie.homedns.org> The files in /home/*/Drives/ are pointers to local devices on the client such as USB sticks and floppy disks. Are you seeing this while logged in on a client that boots via floppy disk? Peter RMSELTech wrote: > Has anyone ever seen a file that has no permissions and no ownership? > > [root at mail ~]# ls -l /home/afry/Drives > total 0 > ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /home/afry/Drives/My_Floppy > > I don't know why this file has no information -- I can't delete it. If I > try to remove it as a file, the error message says it is a directory. If > I try to remove it as a directory, the error message says "cannot lstat > the filename". And I > can't install IceWM because of it. (See the very end of the screen I > copied and pasted below.) > > I really need to install Ice, because everyone is used to using IceWM as > the default. I hope > there are no other files like the above. It's almost as if it is corrupted > somehow. > > I have pasted the screen that references this file when I try to install > IceWM. > > Thanks, > > Rita Gibson > RMSELTech > > [root at mail ~]# yum install icewm > Loading "installonlyn" plugin > Loading "protectbase" plugin > Setting up Install Process > Setting up repositories > Reading repository metadata in from local files > 0 packages excluded due to repository protections > Parsing package install arguments > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.30-1.el5.rf set to be updated > ---> Package icewm.x86_64 0:1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: libImlib.so.1 for package: icewm > --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package imlib.i386 1:1.9.13-1.el5.rf set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: libgdk-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib > --> Processing Dependency: libglib-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib > --> Processing Dependency: libgtk-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib > --> Processing Dependency: libgmodule-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib > --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package gtk+.i386 1:1.2.10-56.el5 set to be updated > ---> Package glib.i386 1:1.2.10-20.el5 set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > > Dependencies Resolved > > ============================================================================= > > Package Arch Version Repository Size > ============================================================================= > > Installing: > icewm i386 1.2.30-1.el5.rf rpmforge32 1.1 M > icewm x86_64 1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 k12ltsp > 793 k > Installing for dependencies: > glib i386 1:1.2.10-20.el5 k12ltsp 137 k > gtk+ i386 1:1.2.10-56.el5 k12ltsp 923 k > imlib i386 1:1.9.13-1.el5.rf rpmforge32 > 658 k > > Transaction Summary > ============================================================================= > > Install 5 Package(s) > Update 0 Package(s) > Remove 0 Package(s) > > Total download size: 3.5 M > Is this ok [y/N]: y > Downloading Packages: > Running Transaction Test > error: failed to stat /home/afry/Drives/My_Floppy: Permission denied > Finished Transaction Test > > > Transaction Check Error: > package imlib-1.9.13-30.fc6 (which is newer than imlib-1.9.13-1.el5.rf) > is already installed > > Error Summary > ------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 04:25:59 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:25:59 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Migrating users to a new server smbldap Message-ID: We are in the process of moving our users over from K12LTSP 6 to Edubuntu. I have been using smbldap on the K12LTSP box and want to continue using it on Edubuntu. We installed smbldap on the new server fine, but made some of the choices differently. e.g. we gave a different domain name and password. We were able to create a user with the bulk add script and that user could log in from the thin client. When we tried to import the users from the old box we came across problems. The users were not coming up when we did getent passwd. We thought the change of domain name might have been the problem so we reran the smbldap configure script but when we ran it it failed every time without any meaningful message. We tried the old password, old domain name etc but it wouldn't install. Any clues what to do next? If worst comes to worst we can reinstall the operating system, but what if the same problem occurs again? It will be best if we can import the ldif user database from the other system. Alternatively we could run the bulk user add script using the list of users. Of course then we would also have to set up the groups again etc but this is not a big deal. The thing that worries me is that the users will not be able to access there home directories if the uid does not match. If we use the same usernames does the uid matter? If it does, can it be set along with the bulk add script? Thanks for any tips. Krsnendu dasa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Tue Sep 25 05:05:19 2007 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:05:19 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server In-Reply-To: <46F595CF.2090809@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: I tried to get the dhcp server to give the client the DNS server ip addresses on the school's network, and it still didn't work. As you mentioned, the Linux thin clients ended up not being able to connect properly. I noticed that the school machines have a different Connection-specific DNS Suffix than the LAN and I'm not sure if I should change it to what the school has or not. I don't know what that does. The Windows clints can ping the DNS servers. I installed tcpdump, but I'm not sure how to use it to see the packet flow from the Window's client. >From: Steve Jackson >Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server >Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:23:11 +1000 > >This sounds like a DNS lookup problem to me. DNS is used to locate domain >servers in Active Directory, assuming that's what you mean by "tree server" >- and the same for Novell I think. >To diagnose, I would hand-configure the W2K DNS server entry to be the same >address as it would get if it were connected to the "main" network, and see >if it now works. If it does, you need to look at where the LTSP server's >DNS service is forwarding requests it can't handle to, and make it try the >"main" network's DNS. If your LTSP server doesn't have a DNS service, >change its DHCP config to tell the clients to use the main DNS address. > >Transparent proxying only affects web traffic IIRC (and I'm not sure what's >going on with squid, can't help there). The ip_forward setting must be 1. >NAT must be used unless the "main" network knows how to route packets back >into the "terminal & w2k" network. > >Steve > >jones yeates wrote: >>I am using a floppy to boot onto the LTSP server. It is working fine. >>The clients can log in and access the Internet. =] >> >>When the client doesn't boot from the floppy, it loads up Windows (2000). >>It is unable to find the "tree server" to authenticate the Windows user. >>However, if I say "Yes" to work on the Window's desktop, I can access the >>Internet. >> >>On the Fedora Core 5 server that is running K12LTSP, I tried: >> #echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward >>and that took care of the Windows client being able to access the >>Internet. >> >>I tried: >> #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying on >>and there was no change so I entered >> #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying off >> >>I restarted the server, for another attempt at solving this. >>I turned off the firewall, installed and ran squid. I made the changes >>discussed in >>http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-August/msg00221.html but it >>failed to #service squid restart. I removed the transparent value and >>#service squid restart worked fine. >> >>I tried >> #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying on >>again. This time it couldn't be found. I listed all the values for >>chkconfig and it wasn't on the list. I am not sure how I removed that >>item, is there a way I can get it back? >> >>Below is what the ipconfig looks like on the Window's client. >> >>E:\>ipconfig /all >>Windows 2000 IP Configuration >> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : c-23 >> Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : >> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid >> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ltsp >>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: >> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ltsp >> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network >>Connection >> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-01-04-EB-12-1C >> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >> Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.218 >> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 >> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 >> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 >> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Friday, September 21, 2007 >>4:25:40 PM >> Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, September 21, 2007 >>10:25:40PM >> >>As a Windows client, I am able to ping outside of the 192.168.0.0 LAN and >>onto the school's regular network. I believe nat is working because I can >>access the Internet on the Window's client. >> >> >>I am not sure what else to try. The transparent thing is my only guess. >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Windows Live Hotmail. Even hotter than before. Get a better look now. >>www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA148 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Former Police Officer Paul Gillespie?s TAKE BACK THE INTERNET tips and tricks, watch the video now http://safety.sympatico.msn.ca/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Sep 25 05:10:57 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:10:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <43080f460709240824g21b9ef89w9e725e7bfbe09eeb@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <46E0DB3E.2000402@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062215s542410d2y4a471ba78e017bad@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E034.1080702@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062238k55c286b5nbfadb1303fa56063@mail.gmail.com> <46E17785.5000900@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709231627t41b684b3u58ad48ba597b5beb@mail.gmail.com> <46F73100.4050305@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709240739p274dd1aax249926a13ae51789@mail.gmail.com> <46F7D1A8.5050203@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709240824g21b9ef89w9e725e7bfbe09eeb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F89861.1090708@cmosnetworks.com> OK, then time to make sure that all your daemons are running on your TFTP server that's hosting the PXE boot files. According to your dhcpd.conf file, I believe that'd be 10.0.7.254 (the "next-server" option). Is that the case? Also, I trust that the appropriate directories/files are under the /tftpboot directory on that server? Mine, which runs K12LTSP 4.2EL (CentOS version), looks like this: [microman at takhisis /]$ ls -alsF /tftpboot/lts/pxe total 6232 8 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Sep 12 2005 ./ 8 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Sep 12 2005 ../ 896 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 906441 Apr 19 2005 bzImage-2.4.26-ltsp-3 1420 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1444412 Apr 19 2005 bzImage-2.6.9-ltsp-3 1020 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1034898 Apr 19 2005 initrd-2.4.26-ltsp-3.gz 1004 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1018735 Apr 19 2005 initrd-2.6.9-ltsp-3.gz 464 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 464972 Jan 20 2002 initrd.ks 4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Sep 12 2005 initrd.lpp -> initrd-2.4.26-ltsp-3.gz 4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Sep 12 2005 initrd.lts -> initrd-2.4.26-ltsp-3.gz 16 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11720 Apr 19 2005 pxelinux.0 4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Sep 12 2005 pxelinux.bin -> pxelinux.0 8 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 12 2005 pxelinux.cfg/ 1368 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1390683 Jan 20 2002 vmlinuz-2.4.9-1-kitchen-sink 4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Sep 12 2005 vmlinuz.lpp -> bzImage-2.4.26-ltsp-3 4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Sep 12 2005 vmlinuz.ltsp -> bzImage-2.4.26-ltsp-3 [microman at takhisis /]$ --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU!? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Mel Wade wrote: > Yes, I'm getting DHCP. I've got the whole network running on the dhcp > server. If the thin client the DHCP response seems to be very slow. > It takes 20-30 seconds to move beyond the dhcp part of the boot. > > On 9/24/07, *"Terrell Prud? Jr."* > wrote: > > Are you getting DHCP at all? Try popping a thick client on that > segment and see if you get an IP address. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate > antivirus protection! > > > Mel Wade wrote: >> I gave that a try but no change... >> >> On 9/23/07, *"Terrell Prud? Jr."* < microman at cmosnetworks.com >> > wrote: >> >> Are these clients PXE-booting, or are you using EtherBoot? >> Try sticking the line >> >> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; >> >> in the Boys002 entry. I know, it's in the shared section, >> but just give it a try and see if it works. >> >> >> --TP >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate >> antivirus protection! >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mel Wade >> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men >> do." - BF Skinner >> http://www.melwade.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Mel Wade wrote: > Yes, I'm getting DHCP. I've got the whole network running on the dhcp > server. If the thin client the DHCP response seems to be very slow. > It takes 20-30 seconds to move beyond the dhcp part of the boot. > > On 9/24/07, *"Terrell Prud? Jr."* > wrote: > > Are you getting DHCP at all? Try popping a thick client on that > segment and see if you get an IP address. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU!? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate > antivirus protection! > > > Mel Wade wrote: >> I gave that a try but no change... >> >> On 9/23/07, *"Terrell Prud? Jr."* < microman at cmosnetworks.com >> > wrote: >> >> Are these clients PXE-booting, or are you using EtherBoot? >> Try sticking the line >> >> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; >> >> in the Boys002 entry. I know, it's in the shared section, >> but just give it a try and see if it works. >> >> >> --TP >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate >> antivirus protection! >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mel Wade >> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men >> do." - BF Skinner >> http://www.melwade.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Tue Sep 25 09:09:33 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:09:33 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] File permissions and ownership missing In-Reply-To: <46F8429F.8050301@paasda.org> References: <46F7F491.1090708@earthlink.net> <46F8429F.8050301@paasda.org> Message-ID: <132F5A99-EF89-467C-8290-DD4506C7F364@breun.nl> Huck wrote: > have you tried > > rm -rf /home/afry > > ?? I'd be careful with that. You realize that completely removed afry's homedir, right? That might not be what RMSELTech wants... Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From sjxn at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 25 11:58:18 2007 From: sjxn at bigpond.net.au (Steve Jackson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:58:18 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1190721498.7247.84.camel@localhost> Hmmm. I think you need help from someone more familiar than me with the Novell logon process at this point. However.... As I understand things, the DNS suffix is used when querying DNS servers, and is added to the name of the machine being sought if it is not specified. Thus if your machine name was 'daneel,' your DNS suffix was 'robots.com' and you asked 'daneel' to ping 'giskard' without specifying a fully-qualified name such as 'giskard.solaria.net' then 'daneel' would query for 'giskard.robots.com,' adding its own DNS suffix on to the sought-for name. A connection-specific DNS suffix lets you tell a computer with more than one network interface that it is to use a different DNS suffix on each network it has available. In most cases there is only one network interface and the connection-specific suffix is not needed; but it is set by DHCP anyway, just in case you didn't give Windows a fully-qualified name, or in case that name doesn't work on this particular network. I am afraid I have no idea whether this will affect the Novell logon process. To find out, if you place the PC directly on the main network, does it login correctly? What DNS suffix does it get there? What happens if you set that DNS suffix in the DHCP settings on the LTSP server? (The terminals will get this suffix too, but it shouldn't matter AFAIK unless they are running local apps or print servers etc). As an aside, I assume you've looked in the log files on the Windows machine, to see if the Novell client is trying to tell you anything. I don't know where Novell would put that information (anyone?), but I would start with the Event Viewer. Also, it would be helpful to see the output of 'iptables -v -L' on the LTSP machine. With tcpdump, it's probably only worth doing this if you know a bit about recognising network packets. On the other hand, I see no way to get any further without doing something like it, after proving the logon works with the Windows box on the main network. Others may like to recommend a better protocol analyser for this, such as ethereal - I'm just telling you what I would do, having a limited memory :-) I would first try to see what happens on the terminal network, like this: 1. Start a command line on the LTSP server and type 'ifconfig' (omit the quotes, they are just for clarity here) to see which network is on which interface - look at the ip addresses for eth0, eth1, etc. Let's say eth0 is the terminal network (with 192.168.0.254) and eth1 the main network for what follows. If yours are different, make the appropriate changes below. 2. Make sure all other computers and terminals on the terminal network are turned off, to avoid extra traffic or having to use a filter while tcpdump-ing. 3. Do 'tcpdump -vv -i eth0 >file0' in the command line on the LTSP server - this causes tcpdump's output to be captured in a text file called 'file0'. 4. Turn on the Windows machine (this is so we capture any preliminary lookups it tries before logon). 5. Try to log in to Novell when Windows is ready. 6. When the login fails, use Ctrl/c on the LTSP server to interrupt the capture. 7. Shut down the Windows machine again. Now we repeat the process capturing traffic on the main network. You won't be able to shut everything down here, but try to do it at a quiet time. 8. With the Windows machine off, do 'tcpdump -vv -i eth1 >file1' on the LTSP server. 9. Repeat steps 4,5,6. Now compare the two capture files 'file0' and 'file1'. (I suggest doing the two captures separately so that file0 will give you a guide to what is relevant in file1, without having to search hard for it amongst all the other traffic.) The ip addresses (and ports on the LTSP server end) will be different owing to NAT, but you should see an outgoing packet in file1 for every incoming relevant packet in file0 (this is where it gets hard to describe what you are really looking for), and appropriate responses coming back from the DNS and Novell servers on the main network in file1, and being passed back to Windows in file0. Look out for repeated requests that give a clue about a response going missing. If you can't work out the order of packets, you could repeat steps 2-6 but using 'tcpdump -vv -i any >file2' which will capture both interfaces at once, in order. Again, look for corresponding packets on each side being relayed by the LTSP server. Look out for DNS lookup failures, and also look out for broadcasts other than ARP on the eth0 side (sent to a .255 address) - it may even be that Novell relies on broadcasts to find servers, but I sincerely hope not! It would be instructive to compare the results with a trace of a successful login on the main network, if you can manage that - but Windows has no native equivalent to tcpdump, and I don't know about Netware. By the way, I'm using Ubuntu to check the command parameters I'm telling you - they might be slightly different on FC5, but I doubt it. That's all I can think of at the moment. I hope it helps! Good luck! On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 05:05 +0000, jones yeates wrote: > I tried to get the dhcp server to give the client the DNS server ip > addresses on the school's network, and it still didn't work. As you > mentioned, the Linux thin clients ended up not being able to connect > properly. > > I noticed that the school machines have a different Connection-specific DNS > Suffix than the LAN and I'm not sure if I should change it to what the > school has or not. I don't know what that does. > > The Windows clints can ping the DNS servers. > > I installed tcpdump, but I'm not sure how to use it to see the packet flow > from the Window's client. > > > >From: Steve Jackson > >Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > >To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Window Clients can't get past the Linux Server > >Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:23:11 +1000 > > > >This sounds like a DNS lookup problem to me. DNS is used to locate domain > >servers in Active Directory, assuming that's what you mean by "tree server" > >- and the same for Novell I think. > >To diagnose, I would hand-configure the W2K DNS server entry to be the same > >address as it would get if it were connected to the "main" network, and see > >if it now works. If it does, you need to look at where the LTSP server's > >DNS service is forwarding requests it can't handle to, and make it try the > >"main" network's DNS. If your LTSP server doesn't have a DNS service, > >change its DHCP config to tell the clients to use the main DNS address. > > > >Transparent proxying only affects web traffic IIRC (and I'm not sure what's > >going on with squid, can't help there). The ip_forward setting must be 1. > >NAT must be used unless the "main" network knows how to route packets back > >into the "terminal & w2k" network. > > > >Steve > > > >jones yeates wrote: > >>I am using a floppy to boot onto the LTSP server. It is working fine. > >>The clients can log in and access the Internet. =] > >> > >>When the client doesn't boot from the floppy, it loads up Windows (2000). > >>It is unable to find the "tree server" to authenticate the Windows user. > >>However, if I say "Yes" to work on the Window's desktop, I can access the > >>Internet. > >> > >>On the Fedora Core 5 server that is running K12LTSP, I tried: > >> #echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > >>and that took care of the Windows client being able to access the > >>Internet. > >> > >>I tried: > >> #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying on > >>and there was no change so I entered > >> #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying off > >> > >>I restarted the server, for another attempt at solving this. > >>I turned off the firewall, installed and ran squid. I made the changes > >>discussed in > >>http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-August/msg00221.html but it > >>failed to #service squid restart. I removed the transparent value and > >>#service squid restart worked fine. > >> > >>I tried > >> #chkconfig --levels 345 transparent-proxying on > >>again. This time it couldn't be found. I listed all the values for > >>chkconfig and it wasn't on the list. I am not sure how I removed that > >>item, is there a way I can get it back? > >> > >>Below is what the ipconfig looks like on the Window's client. > >> > >>E:\>ipconfig /all > >>Windows 2000 IP Configuration > >> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : c-23 > >> Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : > >> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid > >> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ltsp > >>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: > >> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ltsp > >> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network > >>Connection > >> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-01-04-EB-12-1C > >> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > >> Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > >> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.218 > >> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > >> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 > >> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 > >> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.254 > >> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Friday, September 21, 2007 > >>4:25:40 PM > >> Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, September 21, 2007 > >>10:25:40PM > >> > >>As a Windows client, I am able to ping outside of the 192.168.0.0 LAN and > >>onto the school's regular network. I believe nat is working because I can > >>access the Internet on the Window's client. > >> > >> > >>I am not sure what else to try. The transparent thing is my only guess. > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Windows Live Hotmail. Even hotter than before. 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My current configuration includes this in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf: SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = rdesktop RDP_SERVER = tserve RDP_OPTIONS = -a 16 -f SCREEN_03 = shell Clients randomly choose between SCREEN_01 and SCREEN_02 when they start up. I want it to open consistently on SCREEN_01. Hopefully most users won't even need to know about rdesktop. I tried delaying the startup of SCREEN_02 with a sleep of several seconds, but no luck with that. Finally, how do I change the default image on the linux login screen. Does it need to be a certain size? Thanks, -- Jon Harder Mountain Lake (MN) Public Schools From sgonzalez at sau83.org Tue Sep 25 13:38:43 2007 From: sgonzalez at sau83.org (Sonja Gonzalez) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle question Message-ID: <15887501.157281190727523015.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Not sure if this is an appropriate forum for this question, but here goes. I am running Moodle 1.7 on an Ubuntu 6.06 server. When we create a quiz and give it a start time, it will never open. It always tells us "The quiz will not be available until:". When I run date on the server, it gives me the correct date. The Moodle calendar shows the correct date, and users are locked into GMT -5 which is our time zone. Any ideas what is going wrong with this? Thanks... Sonja _______________________________ Sonja Gonzalez Director of Technology Ellis School 432 Main Street Fremont, NH 03044 603.895.2511 x603 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 25 14:16:55 2007 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:16:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] File permissions and ownership missing In-Reply-To: <46F85B0A.108@scheie.homedns.org> References: <46F7F491.1090708@earthlink.net> <46F85B0A.108@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <46F91857.7040302@earthlink.net> Peter Scheie wrote: > The files in /home/*/Drives/ are pointers to local devices on the > client such as USB sticks and floppy disks. Are you seeing this > while logged in on a client that boots via floppy disk? > > Peter > No, a terminal that PXE boots. I did an ls -l on the file just now, and get ordinary looking permissions and ownership. But when I try to install icewm, I keep getting that same error message, but with a different username -- I looked to see if the user had processes running on the server and in each case there were processes out there, there were three users that kept ice from installing. I killed each of the user processes and now it appears to have installed icewm. I need to go on site and log in to see. (I'm home now.) [root at mail ~]# yum install icewm Loading "installonlyn" plugin Sep 19 08:37 My_Floppy Loading "protectbase" plugin Setting up Install Process Setting up repositories Reading repository metadata in from local files:09 My_Floppy 0 packages excluded due to repository protections Parsing package install arguments Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.30-1.el5.rf set to be updated ---> Package icewm.x86_64 0:1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libImlib.so.1 for package: icewm --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes.py --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package imlib.i386 1:1.9.13-1.el5.rf set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libgdk-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib --> Processing Dependency: libglib-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib --> Processing Dependency: libgtk-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib --> Processing Dependency: libgmodule-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes.oppy --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package gtk+.i386 1:1.2.10-56.el5 set to be updated ---> Package glib.i386 1:1.2.10-20.el5 set to be updated --> Running transaction check96 Sep 24 08:12 My_Floppy Dependencies Resolved total 4 ============================================================================= Package Arch Version Repository Size ============================================================================= Installing: icewm i386 1.2.30-1.el5.rf rpmforge32 1.1 M icewm x86_64 1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 k12ltsp 79 3 ktern not found Installing for dependencies: glib i386 1:1.2.10-20.el5 k12ltsp 137 k gtk+ i386 1:1.2.10-56.el5 k12ltsp 923 k imlib i386 1:1.9.13-1.el5.rf rpmforge32 658 k Transaction Summary ============================================================================= Install 5 Package(s) Update 0 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) [root at mail ~]# size: 3.5 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: Running Transaction Test Finished Transaction Test Transaction Check Error: package imlib-1.9.13-30.fc6 (which is newer than imlib-1.9.13-1.el5.rf) is alr eady installed Error Summary ------------- Which brings me to another question -- I'm not sure that the script that is supposed to kill user processes (I recall that it ran when the user logs off and runs again as the user logs on) well it doesn't seem to be working. I think it is found in a k12ltsp file and you set PURGE_PROCESSES = YES or NO depending on your preference. We have a lot of processes that just get left out there. Right now, no one should be logged on yet, school has not even started, and there a many student user processes hanging around out there. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to start another thread with this question -- but I've been meaning to ask for a while, I've just kind of been watching the issue. Thanks RMSELTech > RMSELTech wrote: >> Has anyone ever seen a file that has no permissions and no ownership? >> >> [root at mail ~]# ls -l /home/afry/Drives >> total 0 >> ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /home/afry/Drives/My_Floppy >> >> I don't know why this file has no information -- I can't delete it. >> If I try to remove it as a file, the error message says it is a >> directory. If I try to remove it as a directory, the error message >> says "cannot lstat the filename". And I >> can't install IceWM because of it. (See the very end of the screen I >> copied and pasted below.) >> >> I really need to install Ice, because everyone is used to using IceWM >> as the default. I hope >> there are no other files like the above. It's almost as if it is >> corrupted >> somehow. >> >> I have pasted the screen that references this file when I try to >> install IceWM. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Rita Gibson >> RMSELTech >> >> [root at mail ~]# yum install icewm >> Loading "installonlyn" plugin >> Loading "protectbase" plugin >> Setting up Install Process >> Setting up repositories >> Reading repository metadata in from local files >> 0 packages excluded due to repository protections >> Parsing package install arguments >> Resolving Dependencies >> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >> ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.30-1.el5.rf set to be updated >> ---> Package icewm.x86_64 0:1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 set to be updated >> --> Running transaction check >> --> Processing Dependency: libImlib.so.1 for package: icewm >> --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. >> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >> ---> Package imlib.i386 1:1.9.13-1.el5.rf set to be updated >> --> Running transaction check >> --> Processing Dependency: libgdk-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib >> --> Processing Dependency: libglib-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib >> --> Processing Dependency: libgtk-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib >> --> Processing Dependency: libgmodule-1.2.so.0 for package: imlib >> --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. >> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >> ---> Package gtk+.i386 1:1.2.10-56.el5 set to be updated >> ---> Package glib.i386 1:1.2.10-20.el5 set to be updated >> --> Running transaction check >> >> Dependencies Resolved >> >> ============================================================================= >> >> Package Arch Version Repository >> Size >> ============================================================================= >> >> Installing: >> icewm i386 1.2.30-1.el5.rf rpmforge32 >> 1.1 M >> icewm x86_64 1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 k12ltsp >> 793 k >> Installing for dependencies: >> glib i386 1:1.2.10-20.el5 k12ltsp >> 137 k >> gtk+ i386 1:1.2.10-56.el5 k12ltsp >> 923 k >> imlib i386 1:1.9.13-1.el5.rf rpmforge32 >> 658 k >> >> Transaction Summary >> ============================================================================= >> >> Install 5 Package(s) >> Update 0 Package(s) >> Remove 0 Package(s) >> >> Total download size: 3.5 M >> Is this ok [y/N]: y >> Downloading Packages: >> Running Transaction Test >> error: failed to stat /home/afry/Drives/My_Floppy: Permission denied >> Finished Transaction Test >> >> >> Transaction Check Error: >> package imlib-1.9.13-30.fc6 (which is newer than imlib-1.9.13-1.el5.rf) >> is already installed >> >> Error Summary >> ------------- >> From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 25 14:20:46 2007 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:20:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] File permissions and ownership missing In-Reply-To: <132F5A99-EF89-467C-8290-DD4506C7F364@breun.nl> References: <46F7F491.1090708@earthlink.net> <46F8429F.8050301@paasda.org> <132F5A99-EF89-467C-8290-DD4506C7F364@breun.nl> Message-ID: <46F9193E.8000603@earthlink.net> Nils Breunese wrote: > Huck wrote: > >> have you tried >> >> rm -rf /home/afry >> >> ?? > > I'd be careful with that. You realize that completely removed afry's > homedir, right? That might not be what RMSELTech wants... > > Nils Breunese. Well yes, I did a rm-rf /home/afrey/My_Floppy and received the message that this was a directory, then used the command to remove the directory and received that message unable to lstat /home/afry/My_Floppy Anyway, the permissions are normal right now. I don't know why. However, I am wondering if that user was still logged in the other day when I was attempting to install icewm. Thanks, for the help. I'm going to go into the school this morning and physically log in to see if icewm is working in the lab now. I'll post if I have further issues. Rita Gibson RMSELTech > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1023 - Release Date: 9/22/2007 1:27 PM > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Sep 25 15:00:25 2007 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:00:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Migrating users to a new server smbldap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a great case for having "enforced" passwords....like I do ;-) (this way I always have the correct userlist with passwords).... Anyway....you can easily change the permissions on the home directories with a script like this: !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing ${x} ..." cd /home/${x} chown -R ${x}:Students /home/${x}/ echo "I have changed the permissions for ${x}" done I've never run into UID issues. I've moved users and home dirs all over the place. So long as the username is the same it all works. The script is simplistic, but you get the idea. I recently had to redo my server due to a "fat fingers" mistake. I tarred up the entire /home directory....moved it to another server....reformatted and reloaded the server....brought the tarred /home back over.....untarred it in place.....added the users and then ran the script above.....everything is back to normal...no data lost. "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >We are in the process of moving our users over from K12LTSP 6 to Edubuntu. >I have been using smbldap on the K12LTSP box and want to continue using >it on Edubuntu. >We installed smbldap on the new server fine, but made some of the choices >differently. e.g. we gave a different domain name and password. >We were able to create a user with the bulk add script and that user >could log in from the thin client. >When we tried to import the users from the old box we came across >problems. >The users were not coming up when we did getent passwd. >We thought the change of domain name might have been the problem so we >reran the smbldap configure script but when we ran it it failed every >time without any meaningful message. We tried the old password, old >domain name etc but it wouldn't install. > >Any clues what to do next? > >If worst comes to worst we can reinstall the operating system, but what >if the same problem occurs again? It will be best if we can import the >ldif user database from the other system. >Alternatively we could run the bulk user add script using the list of >users. Of course then we would also have to set up the groups again etc >but this is not a big deal. >The thing that worries me is that the users will not be able to access >there home directories if the uid does not match. If we use the same >usernames does the uid matter? If it does, can it be set along with the >bulk add script? > >Thanks for any tips. > >Krsnendu dasa >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From nils at breun.nl Tue Sep 25 15:08:49 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:08:49 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] default configuration questions In-Reply-To: <20070925132955.00FA45101E9@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <20070925132955.00FA45101E9@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1F7BDAD5-D003-4E1C-991A-DE1F99E59E69@breun.nl> Jon Harder wrote: > I have three configuration issues that I have not been able to > resolve. > > First, how can I set the preferred mailreader to default to > thunderbird? > That is, when a user first logs on, it is already thunderbird and they > do not need to select it via the System -> Preferences -> More > Preferences -> > Prefered Applications menu. I did this on our K12LTSP 5EL install: - Install gconf-editor (yum install gconf-editor) - Start gconf-editor as root - Navigate to /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/mailto - Replace 'evolution --component=mail %s' with 'thunderbird -compose %s' - Right-click the key and select 'Select as Default' (you can also choose Mandatory if you do not want to allow your users to change this) > My second question involves selecting a default login screen for > the client > computers. My current configuration includes this in > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf: > > SCREEN_01 = startx > SCREEN_02 = rdesktop > RDP_SERVER = tserve > RDP_OPTIONS = -a 16 -f > SCREEN_03 = shell > > Clients randomly choose between SCREEN_01 and SCREEN_02 when they > start up. I want it to open consistently on SCREEN_01. Hopefully most > users won't even need to know about rdesktop. I tried delaying the > startup > of SCREEN_02 with a sleep of several seconds, but no luck with that. I think it's strange that they'd choose randomly. We have startx on 01 and shell on 02 and all clients boot to X by default. > Finally, how do I change the default image on the linux login screen. > Does it need to be a certain size? You'd have to modify the GDM theme. I didn't change the theme, but just set remote logins to use the same GDM theme as local logins, which gets you the default CentOS/Fedora login screen. I think the CentOS 5 theme is pretty slick. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We are now running the latest k12ltsp over CentOS, so perhaps things are different... Thanks for any help, Rita Gibson Rita Gibson\r\nrgibson57 at earthlink.net From rowens at bio-chemvalve.com Tue Sep 25 15:54:54 2007 From: rowens at bio-chemvalve.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:54:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] default configuration questions In-Reply-To: <20070925132955.00FA45101E9@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <20070925132955.00FA45101E9@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <46F92F4E.2000402@bio-chemvalve.com> I came up with a solution to the "random screen" problem a few weeks back. See this thread: http://marc.info/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=118822138808083&w=2 Basically it involves inserting a 'read' statement into the screen scripts located in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screen.d/ I can also email the list with my screen scripts if anyone thinks it would be useful. Hmm, maybe I should put this on the wiki. -Rob Jon Harder wrote: > I have three configuration issues that I have not been able to > resolve. > > First, how can I set the preferred mailreader to default to thunderbird? > That is, when a user first logs on, it is already thunderbird and they > do not need to select it via the System -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> > Prefered Applications menu. > > My second question involves selecting a default login screen for the client > computers. My current configuration includes this in > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf: > > SCREEN_01 = startx > SCREEN_02 = rdesktop > RDP_SERVER = tserve > RDP_OPTIONS = -a 16 -f > SCREEN_03 = shell > > Clients randomly choose between SCREEN_01 and SCREEN_02 when they > start up. I want it to open consistently on SCREEN_01. Hopefully most > users won't even need to know about rdesktop. I tried delaying the startup > of SCREEN_02 with a sleep of several seconds, but no luck with that. > > Finally, how do I change the default image on the linux login screen. > Does it need to be a certain size? > > Thanks, > > -- > Jon Harder > Mountain Lake (MN) Public Schools > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From craig at tobyhouse.com Tue Sep 25 16:53:39 2007 From: craig at tobyhouse.com (Craig White) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:53:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] eMac client Message-ID: <1190739219.3583.40.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> Ran into roadblock on using eMac as client same issue that Jon Harder reported in June (thread continued into July without no apparent resolution) http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-June/msg00283.html Jon, did you ever get an eMac client working? -- Craig White From twolfe at sawback.com Tue Sep 25 18:55:46 2007 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Pine sent mail folder, how to show recipients instead of senders? And K12LTSP successes... Message-ID: <20070925145149.K80337@dyyme.pair.com> Sorry to ask this off-topic question... but it was asked a few years back on this list and I thought maybe someone might have a quick answer. How can I sort my sent mail folder according to recipient instead of sender (me)? On the K12LTSP front, we're expanding soon -- 100 more FREE "Computers for Schools" http://www.education.gov.ab.ca/cfs/ P3 units arriving any day now. This is a largely Microsoft funded project, but they are giving me stations with blank (or removed?) hard drives and preconfigured to PXE boot! How easy is that? Regards, Tom Wolfe Morley Community School Morley, Alberta From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 25 19:50:17 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:50:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] eMac client In-Reply-To: <1190739219.3583.40.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> References: <1190739219.3583.40.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0709251250l238ce563vf4a339ee730c6450@mail.gmail.com> On 9/25/07, Craig White wrote: > Ran into roadblock on using eMac as client > > same issue that Jon Harder reported in June (thread continued into July > without no apparent resolution) > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-June/msg00283.html Can you edit /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf and change XSERVER = auto to XSERVER = ati and reboot the client. I've seen display adapters that are not auto-configured by LTSP, but will work if you tell them to use the proper driver. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From craig at tobyhouse.com Tue Sep 25 20:21:19 2007 From: craig at tobyhouse.com (Craig White) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:21:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] eMac client In-Reply-To: <994441ae0709251250l238ce563vf4a339ee730c6450@mail.gmail.com> References: <1190739219.3583.40.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> <994441ae0709251250l238ce563vf4a339ee730c6450@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190751679.3583.61.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 12:50 -0700, Dan Young wrote: > On 9/25/07, Craig White wrote: > > Ran into roadblock on using eMac as client > > > > same issue that Jon Harder reported in June (thread continued into July > > without no apparent resolution) > > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-June/msg00283.html > > Can you edit /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf and change > > XSERVER = auto > to > XSERVER = ati > > and reboot the client. > > I've seen display adapters that are not auto-configured by LTSP, but > will work if you tell them to use the proper driver. ---- yeah - I've tried that but like the original poster of the referenced thread, I think there's an issue with an eMac client booting the 2.4 kernel because it never gets to the point of switchroot. -- Craig White From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 20:41:29 2007 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:41:29 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Migrating users to a new server smbldap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Would we be better off without using smbldap altogether. Our setup is one edubuntu ltsp server and one backupPC server also running a windows vm. There are about five windows laptop users. Perhaps it will be easier to just add the laptop users as smb users manually. On the other hand it might not. What is your advice? Also we are changing from K12ltsp 6 to edubuntu. Would the home directories work ok with the config files (gnome, firefox etc...) or will weird things happen? Would we be better off just starting fresh with new home directories for users and providing a link to their old home directories. There are some shortcuts in firefox which would be nice to keep, but I could just do it for everyone using sabayon or something like that. Thanks for your wisdom, Krsnendu dasa On 26/09/2007, David Trask wrote: > > This is a great case for having "enforced" passwords....like I do ;-) > (this way I always have the correct userlist with passwords).... > Anyway....you can easily change the permissions on the home directories > with a script like this: > > > !#/bin/bash > for x in `ls /home`; do > echo "Doing ${x} ..." > cd /home/${x} > chown -R ${x}:Students /home/${x}/ > echo "I have changed the permissions for ${x}" > done > > > I've never run into UID issues. I've moved users and home dirs all over > the place. So long as the username is the same it all works. The script > is simplistic, but you get the idea. I recently had to redo my server due > to a "fat fingers" mistake. I tarred up the entire /home > directory....moved it to another server....reformatted and reloaded the > server....brought the tarred /home back over.....untarred it in > place.....added the users and then ran the script above.....everything is > back to normal...no data lost. > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >We are in the process of moving our users over from K12LTSP 6 to > Edubuntu. > >I have been using smbldap on the K12LTSP box and want to continue using > >it on Edubuntu. > >We installed smbldap on the new server fine, but made some of the choices > >differently. e.g. we gave a different domain name and password. > >We were able to create a user with the bulk add script and that user > >could log in from the thin client. > >When we tried to import the users from the old box we came across > >problems. > >The users were not coming up when we did getent passwd. > >We thought the change of domain name might have been the problem so we > >reran the smbldap configure script but when we ran it it failed every > >time without any meaningful message. We tried the old password, old > >domain name etc but it wouldn't install. > > > >Any clues what to do next? > > > >If worst comes to worst we can reinstall the operating system, but what > >if the same problem occurs again? It will be best if we can import the > >ldif user database from the other system. > >Alternatively we could run the bulk user add script using the list of > >users. Of course then we would also have to set up the groups again etc > >but this is not a big deal. > >The thing that worries me is that the users will not be able to access > >there home directories if the uid does not match. If we use the same > >usernames does the uid matter? If it does, can it be set along with the > >bulk add script? > > > >Thanks for any tips. > > > >Krsnendu dasa > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 25 21:09:06 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:09:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] eMac client In-Reply-To: <1190751679.3583.61.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> References: <1190739219.3583.40.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> <994441ae0709251250l238ce563vf4a339ee730c6450@mail.gmail.com> <1190751679.3583.61.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0709251409t5f8de587g90ca71158c314546@mail.gmail.com> On 9/25/07, Craig White wrote: > yeah - I've tried that but like the original poster of the referenced thread, I think there's an issue with an eMac client booting the 2.4 kernel because it never gets to the point of switchroot. Obviously, I didn't read deep enough into the old thread. Sorry for the noise. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Sep 25 21:48:58 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:48:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing IceWM In-Reply-To: <28062577.1190732964550.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28062577.1190732964550.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46F9824A.2060809@scheie.homedns.org> I've run into this sort of thing, usually caused by a conflict between different repositories that offer the same packages but with different dependencies. Try turning off either the freshrpms or livna repo file in /etc/yum.repos.d/. Peter Rita Gibson wrote: > I was having some problems with the IceWM menu and long story short, I uninstalled IceWM so that I could reinstall it thinking I would get the menu editor, etc. I have been unable to reinstall it. This is the error message when I use the Gnome Package Manager: > > [('package imlib-1.9.13-30.fc6 (which is newer than imlib-1.9.13-1.el5.rf) is already installed', (8, None, 0L))] > > What next? We have been using IceWM as our desktop manager because we have 30 clients in our lab, and it seems to be a little leaner, we like to run it with nautilus turned off. At least that is what we have done in the past. We are now running the latest k12ltsp over CentOS, so perhaps things are different... > > Thanks for any help, > > Rita Gibson > > Rita Gibson\r\nrgibson57 at earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From craig at tobyhouse.com Tue Sep 25 22:11:15 2007 From: craig at tobyhouse.com (Craig White) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:11:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] login screen background Message-ID: <1190758275.17505.11.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> I'm editing /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc and I'm trying to change the logon screen for ltsp systems but nothing seems to be changing. I've searched the wiki and googled around but am not seeing anything...is there a reference that I am missing? -- Craig White From les at futuresource.com Tue Sep 25 22:17:10 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:17:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <46F842E1.803@paasda.org> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <46E0DB3E.2000402@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062215s542410d2y4a471ba78e017bad@mail.gmail.com> <46E0E034.1080702@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709062238k55c286b5nbfadb1303fa56063@mail.gmail.com> <46E17785.5000900@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709231627t41b684b3u58ad48ba597b5beb@mail.gmail.com> <46F73100.4050305@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709240739p274dd1aax249926a13ae51789@mail.gmail.com> <46F7D1A8.5050203@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709240824g21b9ef89w9e725e7bfbe09eeb@mail.gmail.com> <46F842E1.803@paasda.org> Message-ID: <46F988E6.4080801@futuresource.com> Huck wrote: > 20-30 seconds? wiring? > > Mel Wade wrote: >> Yes, I'm getting DHCP. I've got the whole network running on the dhcp >> server. If the thin client the DHCP response seems to be very slow. >> It takes 20-30 seconds to move beyond the dhcp part of the boot. Delays in multiples of 30 seconds are often failing DNS lookups. Are you handing out 2 dns server addresses where only one works? Does the tftp server try to look up the connecting IP address for logging? If you are using the standard 2-nic setup these will be in your hosts file but could cause the delay if use different ranges and don't have them in the tftp/nfs server's hosts file or have the zone in your DNS server. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 23:51:34 2007 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:51:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] login screen background In-Reply-To: <1190758275.17505.11.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> References: <1190758275.17505.11.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> Message-ID: <200709251951.34727.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> On Tuesday 25 September 2007 18:11, Craig White wrote: > I'm editing /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc and I'm trying to change the logon screen > for ltsp systems but nothing seems to be changing. > > I've searched the wiki and googled around but am not seeing > anything...is there a reference that I am missing? > You don't state what disto you are using, but on K12LTSP-5EL and CentOS-5 the kdmrc file has two lines that override the settings set within the KDE control center: Theme=/usr/share/config/kdm/themes/RHEL UseTheme=true You might look for something similar and comment them out and try again. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Sep 26 12:33:09 2007 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:33:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] eMac client Message-ID: <47035.216.24.126.67.1190809989.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Craig, This does not help you a bit,,,but,,, I wrangled for many hours trying to get Emacs to boot off of K12LTSP.I should say to boot with correct video. I got the same situation you did. On the other hand the older Imacs booted up without a hitch & had sound and the whole 9 yards. I also tried installing several distros on the HD of the Emacs and they ALL came up with video problems. The closest I ever came to getting correct video with an HD install of K12LTSP5. I even tried Yellow Dog which is kind of Mac specific,but still got the the video/monitor with all off to one side video. I used an old linux thing that "adjusted" your monitor position,which * almost* centered the video correctly, but with each reboot these settings had to be redone. In any case, I never had any luck with Emacs. I wish they would have worked as I had 35 of these at my disposal and they would make nice " all in one" boxes:( Let us know if you ever have any luck with these. Take Care, Barry Cisna From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Sep 26 13:18:33 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:18:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Pine sent mail folder, how to show recipients instead of senders? And K12LTSP successes... In-Reply-To: <20070925145149.K80337@dyyme.pair.com> References: <20070925145149.K80337@dyyme.pair.com> Message-ID: <46FA5C29.4060504@scheie.homedns.org> For pine, $ is the sort key; then you'll get choices for sorting by From, To, Subject, etc. Peter Tom Wolfe wrote: > Sorry to ask this off-topic question... but it was asked a few years > back on this list and I thought maybe someone might have a quick answer. > > How can I sort my sent mail folder according to recipient instead of > sender (me)? > > On the K12LTSP front, we're expanding soon -- 100 more FREE "Computers > for Schools" http://www.education.gov.ab.ca/cfs/ P3 units arriving any > day now. This is a largely Microsoft funded project, but they are giving > me stations with blank (or removed?) hard drives and preconfigured to > PXE boot! How easy is that? > > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > Morley Community School > Morley, Alberta > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From twolfe at sawback.com Wed Sep 26 14:28:50 2007 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Pine sent mail folder, how to show recipients instead of senders? And K12LTSP successes... In-Reply-To: <46FA5C29.4060504@scheie.homedns.org> References: <20070925145149.K80337@dyyme.pair.com> <46FA5C29.4060504@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <20070926102808.A25500@dyyme.pair.com> Although $ sorts you still don't get recipient columns... which is really what I want, thanks though! Regards, Tom Wolfe --- Tom Wolfe, IT Specialist twolfe at sawback.com Stoney Educational Authority tel: (403) 881-3650 Box 238, Morley AB, T0L 1N0 fax: (403) 881-2793 Morley Community School | Chief Jacob Bearspaw School | Ta-otha School On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Peter Scheie wrote: > For pine, $ is the sort key; then you'll get choices for sorting by From, To, > Subject, etc. > > Peter > > Tom Wolfe wrote: >> Sorry to ask this off-topic question... but it was asked a few years back >> on this list and I thought maybe someone might have a quick answer. >> >> How can I sort my sent mail folder according to recipient instead of sender >> (me)? >> >> On the K12LTSP front, we're expanding soon -- 100 more FREE "Computers for >> Schools" http://www.education.gov.ab.ca/cfs/ P3 units arriving any day now. >> This is a largely Microsoft funded project, but they are giving me stations >> with blank (or removed?) hard drives and preconfigured to PXE boot! How >> easy is that? >> >> Regards, >> Tom Wolfe >> Morley Community School >> Morley, Alberta >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From pnelson.k12 at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 18:33:09 2007 From: pnelson.k12 at gmail.com (Paul Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:33:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Education and FOSS Mini-conference in Melbourne - Jan 2008 Message-ID: <508f42dc0709261133u192e6cb4t3dc714b898435767@mail.gmail.com> > From: Bryant Patten > Date: September 24, 2007 11:46:06 AM EDT > It's that time of year again.... > > I am organizing this year's Open Source and Education mini-conference at the Australian National Linux conference (linux.conf.au 2008) in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. I wanted to extend an invitation to all members of this list to speak at this FOSS and Education gathering. Last year, we had an great group of speakers from all over the world. > > The details and call for presentations at the mini-conference can be viewed at: > > http://www.fossed.org/lca08/index.html > > The general conference website is: > > http://linux.conf.au/ > > Unfortunately, there is still no money available to assist with travel. If you have recommendations for other people that I should invite, please let me know. Looking forward to hearing from you. > > Thanks, > > Bryant Patten > White Nitro, LLC > Post Mills, Vermont, USA From craig at tobyhouse.com Wed Sep 26 19:06:21 2007 From: craig at tobyhouse.com (Craig White) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:06:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] login screen background In-Reply-To: <200709251951.34727.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <1190758275.17505.11.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> <200709251951.34727.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190833581.25480.5.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 19:51 -0400, John Lucas wrote: > On Tuesday 25 September 2007 18:11, Craig White wrote: > > I'm editing /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc and I'm trying to change the logon screen > > for ltsp systems but nothing seems to be changing. > > > > I've searched the wiki and googled around but am not seeing > > anything...is there a reference that I am missing? > > > > You don't state what disto you are using, but on K12LTSP-5EL and CentOS-5 the > kdmrc file has two lines that override the settings set within the KDE > control center: > > Theme=/usr/share/config/kdm/themes/RHEL > UseTheme=true > > You might look for something similar and comment them out and try again. ---- yeah sorry...I'm just learning on these things and I'm using k12ltsp-6 which puts kdmrc in /etc/X11/xdm - but I'm also fooling with Fedora 7 which puts kdmrc in /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc it's a moving target to be sure ;-) Thanks, that was it though I have found it to be more interesting to duplicate the FedoraDNA theme and then customize from there. -- Craig White From craig at tobyhouse.com Wed Sep 26 19:08:29 2007 From: craig at tobyhouse.com (Craig White) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:08:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] eMac client In-Reply-To: <47035.216.24.126.67.1190809989.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <47035.216.24.126.67.1190809989.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <1190833709.25480.7.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 07:33 -0500, Barry Cisna wrote: > Craig, > > This does not help you a bit,,,but,,, I wrangled for many hours trying to > get Emacs to boot off of K12LTSP.I should say to boot with correct video. > I got the same situation you did. On the other hand the older Imacs booted > up without a hitch & had sound and the whole 9 yards. I also tried > installing several distros on the HD of the Emacs and they ALL came up > with video problems. The closest I ever came to getting correct video with > an HD install of K12LTSP5. I even tried Yellow Dog which is kind of Mac > specific,but still got the the video/monitor with all off to one side > video. I used an old linux thing that "adjusted" your monitor > position,which * almost* centered the video correctly, but with each > reboot these settings had to be redone. In any case, I never had any luck > with Emacs. I wish they would have worked as I had 35 of these at my > disposal and they would make nice " all in one" boxes:( > Let us know if you ever have any luck with these. ---- I'm gonna take one of my eMacs and do a full Fedora 7 install on it which I will presume works as the installer booted up via network into a full GUI install mode but the eMac I'm working on, I am not willing to erase the hard drive. Thanks -- Craig White From accessys at smart.net Wed Sep 26 19:29:45 2007 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] eMac client In-Reply-To: <1190833709.25480.7.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> References: <47035.216.24.126.67.1190809989.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <1190833709.25480.7.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> Message-ID: and Emacs is a critical component in the teaching all kids rules since it allows for the use of EMACspeak for kids who have video to Audio screen readers. Bob On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Craig White wrote: > On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 07:33 -0500, Barry Cisna wrote: > > Craig, > > > > This does not help you a bit,,,but,,, I wrangled for many hours trying to > > get Emacs to boot off of K12LTSP.I should say to boot with correct video. > > I got the same situation you did. On the other hand the older Imacs booted > > up without a hitch & had sound and the whole 9 yards. I also tried > > installing several distros on the HD of the Emacs and they ALL came up > > with video problems. The closest I ever came to getting correct video with > > an HD install of K12LTSP5. I even tried Yellow Dog which is kind of Mac > > specific,but still got the the video/monitor with all off to one side > > video. I used an old linux thing that "adjusted" your monitor > > position,which * almost* centered the video correctly, but with each > > reboot these settings had to be redone. In any case, I never had any luck > > with Emacs. I wish they would have worked as I had 35 of these at my > > disposal and they would make nice " all in one" boxes:( > > Let us know if you ever have any luck with these. > ---- > I'm gonna take one of my eMacs and do a full Fedora 7 install on it > which I will presume works as the installer booted up via network into a > full GUI install mode but the eMac I'm working on, I am not willing to > erase the hard drive. > > Thanks > > -- > Craig White > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Wed Sep 26 21:28:40 2007 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:28:40 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell 5 client can't get through LTSP server Message-ID: I found the following link for Novell 6 that I believe explains how to get a client with a Novell logon screen to get through the ltsp server. http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/6019.html I was wondering if anyone had similar steps for Novell 5 (server side) and Novell 4.83 (client end). _________________________________________________________________ Get Cultured With Arts & Culture Festivals On Live Maps http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca&v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!2010&encType=1&style=h&FORM=SERNEP From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Wed Sep 26 22:24:06 2007 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:24:06 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell 5 client can't get through LTSP server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually its a Novell 4.83 client (without service pack 1) the Novell server is 5. >From: "jones yeates" >Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: [K12OSN] Novell 5 client can't get through LTSP server >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:28:40 +0000 > >I found the following link for Novell 6 that I believe explains how to get >a client with a Novell logon screen to get through the ltsp server. >http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/6019.html > >I was wondering if anyone had similar steps for Novell 5 (server side) and >Novell 4.83 (client end). > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get Cultured With Arts & Culture Festivals On Live Maps >http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca&v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!2010&encType=1&style=h&FORM=SERNEP > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Former Police Officer Paul Gillespie?s TAKE BACK THE INTERNET tips and tricks, watch the video now http://safety.sympatico.msn.ca/ From robark at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 22:29:20 2007 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:29:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell 5 client can't get through LTSP server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/26/07, jones yeates wrote: > I found the following link for Novell 6 that I believe explains how to get a > client with a Novell logon screen to get through the ltsp server. > http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/6019.html > That article describes how to use a Novell server for your homes in Linux. In other words, how to auth and access the Novell accounts through an LTSP login. I think your problem is different. If I read correctly, you want your Windows boxes in your lan, which are being given an ip from your LTSP server, to *get through* to the external Novell server. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Wed Sep 26 22:40:45 2007 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:40:45 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell 5 client can't get through LTSP server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ya, my Window clients are on the lan behind the linux router and I can't get them to authenticate to the Novell server. >From: "Robert Arkiletian" >Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Novell 5 client can't get through LTSP server >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:29:20 -0700 > >On 9/26/07, jones yeates wrote: > > I found the following link for Novell 6 that I believe explains how to >get a > > client with a Novell logon screen to get through the ltsp server. > > http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/6019.html > > > >That article describes how to use a Novell server for your homes in >Linux. In other words, how to auth and access the Novell accounts >through an LTSP login. > >I think your problem is different. If I read correctly, you want your >Windows boxes in your lan, which are being given an ip from your LTSP >server, to *get through* to the external Novell server. > > >-- >Robert Arkiletian >Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada >Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ >C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Enter to win a night a VIP night out at TIFF http://redcarpet.sympatico.msn.ca/ From joeb at scesd.k12.or.us Wed Sep 26 23:02:35 2007 From: joeb at scesd.k12.or.us (Joe Burkleo) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:02:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell 5 client can't get through LTSP server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46FA829A.0F3C.0098.0@scesd.k12.or.us> >>> "jones yeates" 9/26/2007 3:40 PM >>> Ya, my Window clients are on the lan behind the linux router and I can't get them to authenticate to the Novell server. You will need to configure SLP Services on the server and workstations if you have not already done so. Here is a link to a TID that explains how to configure the server and clients. http://www.novell.com/support/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&externalId=10059981&sliceId=&dialogID=46811520&stateId=0%200%2046817185 Joe >From: "Robert Arkiletian" >Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Novell 5 client can't get through LTSP server >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:29:20 -0700 > >On 9/26/07, jones yeates wrote: > > I found the following link for Novell 6 that I believe explains how to >get a > > client with a Novell logon screen to get through the ltsp server. > > http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/6019.html > > > >That article describes how to use a Novell server for your homes in >Linux. In other words, how to auth and access the Novell accounts >through an LTSP login. > >I think your problem is different. If I read correctly, you want your >Windows boxes in your lan, which are being given an ip from your LTSP >server, to *get through* to the external Novell server. > > >-- >Robert Arkiletian >Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada >Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ >C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Enter to win a night a VIP night out at TIFF http://redcarpet.sympatico.msn.ca/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rossrtfm at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 23:17:18 2007 From: rossrtfm at gmail.com (Ross Armstrong) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:17:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client boot issues Message-ID: have setup a variety of servers for tlsp purposes and none have worked out. I am most comfortable with RedHat distros and have installed many over the years, but never with the intent of using TLSP. It didn't go well. ==Using k12ltsp ver 5 All went well. All services are installed and running as verified in ltspadmin. I'm using a client boot ROM, and it is working as I get an IP address. The client hangs at: loading 192.168.0.253:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp. . . NBI. . . . . Any assistance getting my client past this would be great. Note: I have read many suggestions and made many changes, and some are noted below. -edited the dchpd.conf file to point to the correct image and the correct location. -used PXE ->same result as the boot ROM -updated every package -> made no difference -> reinstall -- Ross Armstrong Know where you're going or you won't know when you've arrived -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Thu Sep 27 02:10:05 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:10:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Pine sent mail folder, how to show recipients instead of senders? And K12LTSP successes... In-Reply-To: <20070926102808.A25500@dyyme.pair.com> References: <20070925145149.K80337@dyyme.pair.com> <46FA5C29.4060504@scheie.homedns.org> <20070926102808.A25500@dyyme.pair.com> Message-ID: <46FB10FD.201@scheie.homedns.org> In my pine, I press < for the list of folders, select sent-mail, press $ for sorting options, and then press T to sort by [To] which then sorts the messages by the recipient. Is this not what you want? Peter Tom Wolfe wrote: > Although $ sorts you still don't get recipient columns... which is > really what I want, thanks though! > > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > > --- > Tom Wolfe, IT Specialist twolfe at sawback.com > Stoney Educational Authority tel: (403) 881-3650 > Box 238, Morley AB, T0L 1N0 fax: (403) 881-2793 > Morley Community School | Chief Jacob Bearspaw School | Ta-otha School > > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Peter Scheie wrote: > >> For pine, $ is the sort key; then you'll get choices for sorting by >> From, To, Subject, etc. >> >> Peter >> >> Tom Wolfe wrote: >>> Sorry to ask this off-topic question... but it was asked a few years >>> back on this list and I thought maybe someone might have a quick answer. >>> >>> How can I sort my sent mail folder according to recipient instead of >>> sender (me)? >>> >>> On the K12LTSP front, we're expanding soon -- 100 more FREE >>> "Computers for Schools" http://www.education.gov.ab.ca/cfs/ P3 units >>> arriving any day now. This is a largely Microsoft funded project, but >>> they are giving me stations with blank (or removed?) hard drives and >>> preconfigured to PXE boot! How easy is that? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Tom Wolfe >>> Morley Community School >>> Morley, Alberta >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nadavkav at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 09:46:32 2007 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:46:32 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle question In-Reply-To: <15887501.157281190727523015.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> References: <15887501.157281190727523015.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Message-ID: <4219988b0709270246t4e27b458l730ec9f0e93a2ed2@mail.gmail.com> try to disable the time limit on the quiz to see if it's a time issue. also, some time student can't use the quiz if they are not registered (you are using a guest account) to this course or they are not logged in. i recommend you upgrade to version 1.8 or wait a few days to 1.9 (major updates on both versions) and try moodle's forums: http://moodle.org/course/view.php?id=5 for more help :-) On 9/25/07, Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > > Not sure if this is an appropriate forum for this question, but here goes. > I am running Moodle 1.7 on an Ubuntu 6.06 server. When we create a quiz > and give it a start time, it will never open. It always tells us "The quiz > will not be available until:". When I run date on the > server, it gives me the correct date. The Moodle calendar shows the correct > date, and users are locked into GMT -5 which is our time zone. Any ideas > what is going wrong with this? > > Thanks... > > Sonja > > _______________________________ > Sonja Gonzalez > Director of Technology > Ellis School > 432 Main Street > Fremont, NH 03044 > 603.895.2511 x603 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sgonzalez at sau83.org Thu Sep 27 14:57:56 2007 From: sgonzalez at sau83.org (Sonja Gonzalez) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle question In-Reply-To: <4219988b0709270246t4e27b458l730ec9f0e93a2ed2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9149938.5391190905076504.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Thanks for your suggestions. We do not allow guests on our site, and you can't register (the account has to be created by us.) And yes, if you turn the clock off, all works fine. In fact, if you allow the student to retake the test after a certain number of hours, it will tell you the date you can take it next is in the year 1970, but allows you to actually take the test after the allowed time. I did try the forums, but no one responded! There is chat about a java timer that I'm following. Might be related.... Thanks! Please give more ideas if you have any!! _______________________________ Sonja Gonzalez Director of Technology Ellis School 432 Main Street Fremont, NH 03044 603.895.2511 x603 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nadav Kavalerchik" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:46:32 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Moodle question try to disable the time limit on the quiz to see if it's a time issue. also, some time student can't use the quiz if they are not registered (you are using a guest account) to this course or they are not logged in. i recommend you upgrade to version 1.8 or wait a few days to 1.9 (major updates on both versions) and try moodle's forums: http://moodle.org/course/view.php?id=5 for more help :-) On 9/25/07, Sonja Gonzalez < sgonzalez at sau83.org > wrote: Not sure if this is an appropriate forum for this question, but here goes. I am running Moodle 1.7 on an Ubuntu 6.06 server. When we create a quiz and give it a start time, it will never open. It always tells us "The quiz will not be available until:". When I run date on the server, it gives me the correct date. The Moodle calendar shows the correct date, and users are locked into GMT -5 which is our time zone. Any ideas what is going wrong with this? Thanks... Sonja _______________________________ Sonja Gonzalez Director of Technology Ellis School 432 Main Street Fremont, NH 03044 603.895.2511 x603 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see < http://www.k12os.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Note: I have read many suggestions and made many changes, and some are noted below. -edited the dchpd.conf file to point to the correct image and the correct location. -used PXE ->same result as the boot ROM -updated every package -> made no difference -> reinstall At this point ltspadmin is still reporting all is fine, and the client still hangs. Any ideas are appreciated Thanks -- Ross Know where you're going or you won't know when you've arrived -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steven at simplycircus.com Thu Sep 27 17:25:49 2007 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:25:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client boot issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This may be a dumb question to ask, but are you sure your netwoek cables are all plugged in to the right places? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Ross Armstrong Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:15 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client boot issues have setup a variety of servers for tlsp purposes and none have worked out. I am most comfortable with RedHat distros and have installed many over the years, but never with the intent of using TLSP. It didn't go well. ==Using k12ltsp ver 5 All went well. All services are installed and running as verified in ltspadmin. I'm using a client boot ROM, and it is working as I get an IP address. The client hangs at: loading 192.168.0.253:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp. . . NBI. . . . . Any assistance getting my client past this would be great. Note: I have read many suggestions and made many changes, and some are noted below. -edited the dchpd.conf file to point to the correct image and the correct location. -used PXE ->same result as the boot ROM -updated every package -> made no difference -> reinstall At this point ltspadmin is still reporting all is fine, and the client still hangs. Any ideas are appreciated Thanks -- Ross Know where you're going or you won't know when you've arrived -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From craig at tobyhouse.com Thu Sep 27 17:31:38 2007 From: craig at tobyhouse.com (Craig White) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:31:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client boot issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1190914298.31843.30.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 13:14 -0400, Ross Armstrong wrote: > > have setup a variety of servers for tlsp purposes and none have worked > out. > > I am most comfortable with RedHat distros and have installed many over > the years, but never with the intent of using TLSP. It didn't go > well. > > ==Using k12ltsp ver 5 > > All went well. All services are installed and running as verified in > ltspadmin. I'm using a client boot ROM, and it is working as I get an > IP address. > > The client hangs at: loading 192.168.0.253:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp. . . > NBI. . . . . > > Any assistance getting my client past this would be great. > > Note: I have read many suggestions and made many changes, and some are > noted below. > -edited the dchpd.conf file to point to the correct image and the > correct location. > -used PXE ->same result as the boot ROM > -updated every package -> made no difference -> reinstall > > At this point ltspadmin is still reporting all is fine, and the client > still hangs. > > Any ideas are appreciated ---- Care to show us - the relevant section for the client in dhcpd.conf ? - logs from dhcp server that shows client was assigned ip address? - logs from nfs server that shows that client mounted nfs share? - contents of /tftpboot/lts/whatever_boot_kernel/pxelinux.cfg/default? -- Craig White From kevin_mims at yahoo.com Thu Sep 27 18:25:32 2007 From: kevin_mims at yahoo.com (Kevin Mims) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12lstp-remove all login choices except for KDE Desktop Message-ID: <674619.55015.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hello- I am trying to set up a lab using k12ltsp, so far things are going OK. I have some concerns that I hope someone can help with. I am using the plain login KDE login window on the clients. I am trying to lock down the client login screens to where users can only log in to the KDE desktop. I have seen in other posts on how to remove other sessions from the session list, and I removed those. The thing is, there's still selections for Default and Failsafe logins. Can these be removed as well? I would also like to remove the Languages drop down as well, is this possible? Any help would be much appreciateed! -Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin_mims at yahoo.com Thu Sep 27 18:28:45 2007 From: kevin_mims at yahoo.com (Kevin Mims) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - installing VMware player Message-ID: <953234.69415.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Any tips on installing VMware player on K12LTSP? I can't get it to install properly. Thanks- Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Thu Sep 27 18:59:55 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:59:55 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - installing VMware player In-Reply-To: <953234.69415.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <953234.69415.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84CC2613-A7EE-40CD-A4E5-F50811BF67CB@breun.nl> Kevin Mims wrote: > Any tips on installing VMware player on K12LTSP? > > I can't get it to install properly. What version of K12LTSP are you running? I once installed VMWare Server on Fedora Core 6 and I remember having to download a patch as Fedora wasn't supported directly. Don't know what the current situation is, but you might to google for your Fedora/CentOS version with VMWare. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nils Breunese. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at coronet.co.uk Thu Sep 27 19:39:13 2007 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:39:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] SambaLDAP question In-Reply-To: <20070927160025.CBA9C736DB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070927160025.CBA9C736DB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1190921953.8388.34.camel@sabre> We successfully joined the first XP Pro machine to our Samba LDAP domain, but further machines simply return the error message "The specified domain either does not exist or could not be contacted". We're using K12LTSP v5.0 for the classroom thin client server, with CentOS 5 for the backend file & authentication server. With donated machines and classes of 12-15 this seems the way to go. The important Windows XP Pro client registry settings are all the same, so most likely we have somehow varied the procedure for adding machine accounts. Can anyone point me to a detailed step-by-step howto for adding machine accounts & joining Windows machines to the SambaLDAP domain? The various LDAP-Samba HowTos are great for setting up Samba, and we appear to have completed those steps successfully. However, I cannot find a sufficiently detailed explanation of the subsequent steps for a) setting up machine accounts with SambaLDAP b) creating the Samba (or LDAP?) root user & password c) joining XP Pro machines to the domain Thanks in advance for any help! John **** From mel at melwade.com Thu Sep 27 19:41:35 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:41:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <46F988E6.4080801@futuresource.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460709062238k55c286b5nbfadb1303fa56063@mail.gmail.com> <46E17785.5000900@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709231627t41b684b3u58ad48ba597b5beb@mail.gmail.com> <46F73100.4050305@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709240739p274dd1aax249926a13ae51789@mail.gmail.com> <46F7D1A8.5050203@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709240824g21b9ef89w9e725e7bfbe09eeb@mail.gmail.com> <46F842E1.803@paasda.org> <46F988E6.4080801@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43080f460709271241v180b2e1bm20939bed09732d55@mail.gmail.com> I'm currently leaning toward a network hardware problem as the issue. I'll be doing some more testing today. 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I have seen in other posts on how to > remove other sessions from the session list, and I removed those. The > thing is, there's still selections for Default and Failsafe logins. Can > these be removed as well? > > I would also like to remove the Languages drop down as well, is this > possible? > > Any help would be much appreciateed! > > -Kevin > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From kevin_mims at yahoo.com Fri Sep 28 00:50:47 2007 From: kevin_mims at yahoo.com (Kevin Mims) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12lstp-remove all login choices except for KDE Desktop In-Reply-To: <46FC4CB9.6070408@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <783100.28513.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Yep, I've followed the steps in that wiki, but I am still left with Default and Failsafe options. Any ideas where I would find the settings for those? Peter Scheie wrote: See the wiki: http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/How_to_edit_the_Session_menu_that_appears_on_the_client_login_screen Peter Kevin Mims wrote: > Hello- > > I am trying to set up a lab using k12ltsp, so far things are going OK. > I have some concerns that I hope someone can help with. > > I am using the plain login KDE login window on the clients. > > I am trying to lock down the client login screens to where users can > only log in to the KDE desktop. I have seen in other posts on how to > remove other sessions from the session list, and I removed those. The > thing is, there's still selections for Default and Failsafe logins. Can > these be removed as well? > > I would also like to remove the Languages drop down as well, is this > possible? > > Any help would be much appreciateed! > > -Kevin > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri Sep 28 02:16:34 2007 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:16:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12lstp-remove all login choices except for KDE Desktop In-Reply-To: <783100.28513.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <783100.28513.qm@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46FC6402.9040800@scheie.homedns.org> What version of K12LTSP are you running? Kevin Mims wrote: > Yep, I've followed the steps in that wiki, but I am still left with > Default and Failsafe options. Any ideas where I would find the settings > for those? > > */Peter Scheie /* wrote: > > See the wiki: > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/How_to_edit_the_Session_menu_that_appears_on_the_client_login_screen > > Peter > > Kevin Mims wrote: > > Hello- > > > > I am trying to set up a lab using k12ltsp, so far things are > going OK. > > I have some concerns that I hope someone can help with. > > > > I am using the plain login KDE login window on the clients. > > > > I am trying to lock down the client login screens to where users can > > only log in to the KDE desktop. I have seen in other posts on how to > > remove other sessions from the session list, and I removed those. > The > > thing is, there's still selections for Default and Failsafe > logins. Can > > these be removed as well? > > > > I would also like to remove the Languages drop down as well, is this > > possible? > > > > Any help would be much appreciateed! > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Sep 28 06:20:13 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:20:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - installing VMware player In-Reply-To: <37F921EB-ED16-4690-B9DE-F338C1F9C495@breun.nl> References: <715471.66408.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <37F921EB-ED16-4690-B9DE-F338C1F9C495@breun.nl> Message-ID: <46FC9D1D.6030401@cmosnetworks.com> Nils Breunese wrote: > Kevin Mims wrote: > >> It's FC6. I see all kinds of references to an all-all patch, but I'm >> not sure what version of the Player is working the best under Fedora >> Core 6. > > As you can read in the docs Fedora Core 6 is not a supported host OS > for VMWare. I believe you do need that any-any patch. I know I needed > it when I installed VMWare Server (also free of charge these days) on > Fedora a couple of months ago. See > for more information on > the any-any patch. > > Nils Breunese. Just this week, I installed VMware Server on Ubuntu Feisty 64-bit on a Core 2 Duo box at work. I'm running Windows XP SP2 as a guest in the thing (requirement for the CrackBerry), and like Nils, I too needed the any-any patch. But it does work, and rather well. I haven't (yet) tried installing VMware on any Fedora releases, but if I were going to do that, I'd lean more toward RHEL or CentOS. That's because that's what VMware, Inc. is more likely to support as a host OS. Given my results with Feisty64, I'd guess that RHEL/CentOS probably would work pretty well with it, too. --TP From nils at breun.nl Fri Sep 28 07:23:54 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:23:54 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - installing VMware player In-Reply-To: <46FC9D1D.6030401@cmosnetworks.com> References: <715471.66408.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <37F921EB-ED16-4690-B9DE-F338C1F9C495@breun.nl> <46FC9D1D.6030401@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <9B9AD1AF-8D1D-4BAE-80F8-7E17D3BAC430@breun.nl> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > Nils Breunese wrote: >> Kevin Mims wrote: >> >>> It's FC6. I see all kinds of references to an all-all patch, but >>> I'm >>> not sure what version of the Player is working the best under Fedora >>> Core 6. >> >> As you can read in the docs Fedora Core 6 is not a supported host OS >> for VMWare. I believe you do need that any-any patch. I know I needed >> it when I installed VMWare Server (also free of charge these days) on >> Fedora a couple of months ago. See >> for more information on >> the any-any patch. > > Just this week, I installed VMware Server on Ubuntu Feisty 64-bit on a > Core 2 Duo box at work. I'm running Windows XP SP2 as a guest in the > thing (requirement for the CrackBerry), and like Nils, I too needed > the > any-any patch. But it does work, and rather well. > > I haven't (yet) tried installing VMware on any Fedora releases, but > if I > were going to do that, I'd lean more toward RHEL or CentOS. That's > because that's what VMware, Inc. is more likely to support as a host > OS. Given my results with Feisty64, I'd guess that RHEL/CentOS > probably > would work pretty well with it, too. RHEL *is* a supported host OS for VMWare, so yes, I hope that that would work out of the box. :o) Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I believe you do need that any-any patch. I know I needed >>> it when I installed VMWare Server (also free of charge these days) on >>> Fedora a couple of months ago. See >>> for more information on >>> the any-any patch. >> >> Just this week, I installed VMware Server on Ubuntu Feisty 64-bit on a >> Core 2 Duo box at work. I'm running Windows XP SP2 as a guest in the >> thing (requirement for the CrackBerry), and like Nils, I too needed the >> any-any patch. But it does work, and rather well. >> >> I haven't (yet) tried installing VMware on any Fedora releases, but if I >> were going to do that, I'd lean more toward RHEL or CentOS. That's >> because that's what VMware, Inc. is more likely to support as a host >> OS. Given my results with Feisty64, I'd guess that RHEL/CentOS probably >> would work pretty well with it, too. > > RHEL *is* a supported host OS for VMWare, so yes, I hope that that would > work out of the box. :o) > > Nils Breunese. > I've got VMWare server running on a CentOS-5/K12LTSP-EL5 installation, providing a Windows XP session for a customer that has one app (Quickbooks) that needs to run under Windows. I can't recall if I had to install the any-any patch or not. But it wasn't too difficult, and I was able to do most of the installation work remotely. Peter From kevin_mims at yahoo.com Fri Sep 28 12:29:33 2007 From: kevin_mims at yahoo.com (Kevin Mims) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12lstp-remove all login choices except for KDE Desktop In-Reply-To: <46FC6402.9040800@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <610757.34343.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> 6.0.0 Peter Scheie wrote: What version of K12LTSP are you running? Kevin Mims wrote: > Yep, I've followed the steps in that wiki, but I am still left with > Default and Failsafe options. Any ideas where I would find the settings > for those? > > */Peter Scheie /* wrote: > > See the wiki: > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/How_to_edit_the_Session_menu_that_appears_on_the_client_login_screen > > Peter > > Kevin Mims wrote: > > Hello- > > > > I am trying to set up a lab using k12ltsp, so far things are > going OK. > > I have some concerns that I hope someone can help with. > > > > I am using the plain login KDE login window on the clients. > > > > I am trying to lock down the client login screens to where users can > > only log in to the KDE desktop. I have seen in other posts on how to > > remove other sessions from the session list, and I removed those. > The > > thing is, there's still selections for Default and Failsafe > logins. Can > > these be removed as well? > > > > I would also like to remove the Languages drop down as well, is this > > possible? > > > > Any help would be much appreciateed! > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin_mims at yahoo.com Fri Sep 28 12:32:42 2007 From: kevin_mims at yahoo.com (Kevin Mims) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - installing VMware player In-Reply-To: <46FCF38C.7040900@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <385726.66039.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Thanks for the response. I think I'll download and try K12ltsp-5 and see how that goes. Peter Scheie wrote: Nils Breunese wrote: > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > >> Nils Breunese wrote: >>> Kevin Mims wrote: >>> >>>> It's FC6. I see all kinds of references to an all-all patch, but I'm >>>> not sure what version of the Player is working the best under Fedora >>>> Core 6. >>> >>> As you can read in the docs Fedora Core 6 is not a supported host OS >>> for VMWare. I believe you do need that any-any patch. I know I needed >>> it when I installed VMWare Server (also free of charge these days) on >>> Fedora a couple of months ago. See >>> for more information on >>> the any-any patch. >> >> Just this week, I installed VMware Server on Ubuntu Feisty 64-bit on a >> Core 2 Duo box at work. I'm running Windows XP SP2 as a guest in the >> thing (requirement for the CrackBerry), and like Nils, I too needed the >> any-any patch. But it does work, and rather well. >> >> I haven't (yet) tried installing VMware on any Fedora releases, but if I >> were going to do that, I'd lean more toward RHEL or CentOS. That's >> because that's what VMware, Inc. is more likely to support as a host >> OS. Given my results with Feisty64, I'd guess that RHEL/CentOS probably >> would work pretty well with it, too. > > RHEL *is* a supported host OS for VMWare, so yes, I hope that that would > work out of the box. :o) > > Nils Breunese. > I've got VMWare server running on a CentOS-5/K12LTSP-EL5 installation, providing a Windows XP session for a customer that has one app (Quickbooks) that needs to run under Windows. I can't recall if I had to install the any-any patch or not. But it wasn't too difficult, and I was able to do most of the installation work remotely. Peter _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can anyone point me to a detailed step-by-step howto for > adding machine accounts & joining Windows machines to the SambaLDAP > domain? > > The various LDAP-Samba HowTos are great for setting up Samba, and we > appear to have completed those steps successfully. However, I cannot > find a sufficiently detailed explanation of the subsequent steps for > > a) setting up machine accounts with SambaLDAP This should be managed using the smbldap-passwd scripts with a section like this in your smb.conf file # use the smbldap-tools scripts add user script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-useradd -m "%u" #delete user script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-userdel "%u" add machine script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-useradd -w "%u" add group script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd -p "%g" #delete group script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupdel "%g" add user to group script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupmod -m "%u" "%g" delete user from group script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupmod -x "%u" "%g" set primary group script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-usermod -g "%g" "%u" > b) creating the Samba (or LDAP?) root user & password smbpasswd -a root where this is a DIFFERENT password to you linux root password > c) joining XP Pro machines to the domain Right click on My computer, Properties, Computer Name, Then click on the change button next to the line To rename the computer or join a domain ..... Hope this help at least get you started :-) Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From nils at breun.nl Fri Sep 28 13:11:00 2007 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:11:00 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - installing VMware player In-Reply-To: <385726.66039.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <385726.66039.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kevin Mims wrote: > Thanks for the response. I think I'll download and try K12ltsp-5 > and see how that goes. It might work without the patch on K12LTSP 5EL, because it is basically CentOS 5, which is basically RHEL 5 and RHEL is a supported host OS for VMWare. The non-EL versions of K12LTSP are based on Fedora and Fedora is not a supported host OS for VMWare. It works just fine, but you need that any-any patch. I would just try the patch instead of installing another OS, I remember it was easy to apply. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Sep 28 13:29:23 2007 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:29:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP article Message-ID: I mentioned a while back about the article I wrote for Linux Journal pertaining to LTSP. It's available to read online now if anyone was itching to read it but wasn't a subscriber. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9688#mpart5 -Shawn From linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us Fri Sep 28 15:23:42 2007 From: linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us (Jon Harder) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:23:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ddefault configuration questions In-Reply-To: <1F7BDAD5-D003-4E1C-991A-DE1F99E59E69@breun.nl> <46F92F4E.2000402@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <20070925132955.00FA45101E9@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <1F7BDAD5-D003-4E1C-991A-DE1F99E59E69@breun.nl> <46F92F4E.2000402@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <20070928152342.BF2615101EB@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Nils Breunese wrote: > Jon Harder wrote: > > First, how can I set the preferred mailreader to default to thunderbird? > > That is, when a user first logs on, it is already thunderbird and they > > do not need to select it via the System -> Preferences -> More > > Preferences -> Prefered Applications menu. > > - Install gconf-editor (yum install gconf-editor) > - Start gconf-editor as root > - Navigate to /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/mailto > - Replace 'evolution --component=mail %s' with 'thunderbird -compose %s' > - Right-click the key and select 'Select as Default' (you can also > choose Mandatory if you do not want to allow your users to change this) This is what I was looking for. It worked as advertised. Thanks. Now I can preconfigure an email client for each of my users automatically when I create their accounts. Rob Owens wrote: > > Jon Harder wrote: > > Clients randomly choose between SCREEN_01 and SCREEN_02 when they > > start up. I want it to open consistently on SCREEN_01. Hopefully most > > users won't even need to know about rdesktop. I tried delaying the startup > > of SCREEN_02 with a sleep of several seconds, but no luck with that. > > I came up with a solution to the "random screen" problem a few weeks > back. See this thread: > http://marc.info/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=118822138808083&w=2 > > Basically it involves inserting a 'read' statement into the screen > scripts located in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screen.d/ This is an acceptable solution and solved my problem. Thanks! Jon Harder wrote: > Finally, how do I change the default image on the linux login screen. > Does it need to be a certain size? I found this answer myself. The word I was looking for was "greeter" and its basic configuration can be changed with gdmsetup. In my configuration, the logo image is at /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/k12ltsp.jpg and the size need not be exact, although about 300 px seems like a nice width. -- Jon Harder Mountain Lake (MN) Public Schools From linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us Fri Sep 28 15:34:22 2007 From: linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us (Jon Harder) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:34:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] eMac client In-Reply-To: <1190739219.3583.40.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> References: <1190739219.3583.40.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> Message-ID: <20070928153422.7AAA65101EC@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Craig White wrote: > same issue that Jon Harder reported in June (thread continued into July > without no apparent resolution) > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-June/msg00283.html > > Jon, did you ever get an eMac client working? No, I was satisified with getting my older Mac clients working -- slot loading and earlier -- so I dropped the eMac problem. Eventually I will be interested in a solution, because I have 60+ of that type of eMac and they will make good clients after their useful OS X life has passed. Maybe sooner if my users demand the open source! I have one student already wondering why he can't boot to linux on those ... -- Jon Harder Mountain Lake (MN) Public Schools From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Sep 28 15:55:28 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:55:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12lstp-remove all login choices except for KDE Desktop In-Reply-To: <610757.34343.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <46FC6402.9040800@scheie.homedns.org> <610757.34343.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0709280855o3b546da2jebb611c94b70c33e@mail.gmail.com> Can you try adding: ShowGnomeFailsafeSession=false ShowXtermFailsafeSession=false to your /etc/gdm/custom.conf -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 On 9/28/07, Kevin Mims wrote: > 6.0.0 > > Peter Scheie wrote: > What version of K12LTSP are you running? > > Kevin Mims wrote: > > Yep, I've followed the steps in that wiki, but I am still left with > > Default and Failsafe options. Any ideas where I would find the settings > > for those? > > > > */Peter Scheie /* wrote: > > > > See the wiki: > > > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/How_to_edit_the_Session_menu_that_appears_on_the_client_login_screen > > > > Peter > > > > Kevin Mims wrote: > > > Hello- > > > > > > I am trying to set up a lab using k12ltsp, so far things are > > going OK. > > > I have some concerns that I hope someone can help with. > > > > > > I am using the plain login KDE login window on the clients. > > > > > > I am trying to lock down the client login screens to where users can > > > only log in to the KDE desktop. I have seen in other posts on how to > > > remove other sessions from the session list, and I removed those. > > The > > > thing is, there's still selections for Default and Failsafe > > logins. Can > > > these be removed as well? > > > > > > I would also like to remove the Languages drop down as well, is this > > > possible? > > > > > > Any help would be much appreciateed! > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Sep 28 16:00:15 2007 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:00:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - installing VMware player In-Reply-To: References: <385726.66039.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0709280900t3399338fq3f9a33ea8da2029c@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/07, Nils Breunese wrote: > It might work without the patch on K12LTSP 5EL, because it is > basically CentOS 5, which is basically RHEL 5 and RHEL is a supported > host OS for VMWare. The non-EL versions of K12LTSP are based on > Fedora and Fedora is not a supported host OS for VMWare. It works > just fine, but you need that any-any patch. I would just try the > patch instead of installing another OS, I remember it was easy to apply. http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/ D/L vmware-any-any-update*.tar.gz Untar and run runme.pl -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From craig at tobyhouse.com Fri Sep 28 16:21:51 2007 From: craig at tobyhouse.com (Craig White) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:21:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SambaLDAP question In-Reply-To: <46FCFBEB.3040006@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <20070927160025.CBA9C736DB@hormel.redhat.com> <1190921953.8388.34.camel@sabre> <46FCFBEB.3040006@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1190996511.31843.86.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 14:04 +0100, Brian Chivers wrote: > John Ingleby wrote: > > We successfully joined the first XP Pro machine to our Samba LDAP > > domain, but further machines simply return the error message "The > > specified domain either does not exist or could not be contacted". > > > > We're using K12LTSP v5.0 for the classroom thin client server, with > > CentOS 5 for the backend file & authentication server. With donated > > machines and classes of 12-15 this seems the way to go. > > > > The important Windows XP Pro client registry settings are all the same, > > so most likely we have somehow varied the procedure for adding machine > > accounts. Can anyone point me to a detailed step-by-step howto for > > adding machine accounts & joining Windows machines to the SambaLDAP > > domain? > > > > The various LDAP-Samba HowTos are great for setting up Samba, and we > > appear to have completed those steps successfully. However, I cannot > > find a sufficiently detailed explanation of the subsequent steps for > > > > a) setting up machine accounts with SambaLDAP > > This should be managed using the smbldap-passwd scripts with a section like this in your smb.conf file > > # use the smbldap-tools scripts > add user script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-useradd -m "%u" > #delete user script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-userdel "%u" > add machine script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-useradd -w "%u" > add group script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd -p "%g" > #delete group script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupdel "%g" > add user to group script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupmod -m "%u" "%g" > delete user from group script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupmod -x "%u" "%g" > set primary group script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-usermod -g "%g" "%u" > > > > b) creating the Samba (or LDAP?) root user & password > > smbpasswd -a root > > where this is a DIFFERENT password to you linux root password > > > c) joining XP Pro machines to the domain > > Right click on My computer, Properties, Computer Name, Then click on the change button next to the line > > To rename the computer or join a domain ..... > > Hope this help at least get you started :-) > ---- above is good but I would wonder about the wisdom of having a user root in LDAP or smbpasswd Since OP is using LTSP-5 (CentOS-5) he is running recent samba and therefore, a full set of privileges is described here: http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/rights.html and I wouldn't recommend having a user 'root' in LDAP unless you definitely know what you're doing. The machine should have a local root user. That local root user really doesn't need to be a samba user. As described in the link above, the user Administrator should be created with whatever uid, and the well-known RID of 500 -- Craig White From kevin_mims at yahoo.com Fri Sep 28 16:23:57 2007 From: kevin_mims at yahoo.com (Kevin Mims) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12lstp-remove all login choices except for KDE Desktop In-Reply-To: <994441ae0709280855o3b546da2jebb611c94b70c33e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <386498.58045.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I'll give that a try, thanks. Dan Young wrote: Can you try adding: ShowGnomeFailsafeSession=false ShowXtermFailsafeSession=false to your /etc/gdm/custom.conf -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 On 9/28/07, Kevin Mims wrote: > 6.0.0 > > Peter Scheie wrote: > What version of K12LTSP are you running? > > Kevin Mims wrote: > > Yep, I've followed the steps in that wiki, but I am still left with > > Default and Failsafe options. Any ideas where I would find the settings > > for those? > > > > */Peter Scheie /* wrote: > > > > See the wiki: > > > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/How_to_edit_the_Session_menu_that_appears_on_the_client_login_screen > > > > Peter > > > > Kevin Mims wrote: > > > Hello- > > > > > > I am trying to set up a lab using k12ltsp, so far things are > > going OK. > > > I have some concerns that I hope someone can help with. > > > > > > I am using the plain login KDE login window on the clients. > > > > > > I am trying to lock down the client login screens to where users can > > > only log in to the KDE desktop. I have seen in other posts on how to > > > remove other sessions from the session list, and I removed those. > > The > > > thing is, there's still selections for Default and Failsafe > > logins. Can > > > these be removed as well? > > > > > > I would also like to remove the Languages drop down as well, is this > > > possible? > > > > > > Any help would be much appreciateed! > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From craig at tobyhouse.com Fri Sep 28 16:27:39 2007 From: craig at tobyhouse.com (Craig White) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:27:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] eMac client In-Reply-To: <20070928153422.7AAA65101EC@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <1190739219.3583.40.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> <20070928153422.7AAA65101EC@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1190996859.31843.91.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 10:34 -0500, Jon Harder wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > same issue that Jon Harder reported in June (thread continued into July > > without no apparent resolution) > > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-June/msg00283.html > > > > Jon, did you ever get an eMac client working? > > No, I was satisified with getting my older Mac clients working -- > slot loading and earlier -- so I dropped the eMac problem. > > Eventually I will be interested in a solution, because I have 60+ of > that type of eMac and they will make good clients after their useful > OS X life has passed. Maybe sooner if my users demand the open source! > I have one student already wondering why he can't boot to linux on > those ... ---- I have an i386 system working fine. I have 7 iMacs all rockin' and rollin' I have 3 eMacs, 1 of which I am waiting for approval to erase HD and do a full install to see what I can see from an F7 install (I expect it to work because I got all the way into GUI Anaconda without issue). I haven't been able to get beyond the point that you were myself. I have 2 G4 systems, 1 of which I tried and failed to get X going and may do a full install there...I haven't decided yet. If I make some progress, I'll post back - thanks Jon, I tried to send you an e-mail directly at your subscribed address which was rejected by your mail server. -- Craig White From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Sep 28 17:45:41 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:45:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - installing VMware player In-Reply-To: <9B9AD1AF-8D1D-4BAE-80F8-7E17D3BAC430@breun.nl> References: <715471.66408.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <37F921EB-ED16-4690-B9DE-F338C1F9C495@breun.nl> <46FC9D1D.6030401@cmosnetworks.com> <9B9AD1AF-8D1D-4BAE-80F8-7E17D3BAC430@breun.nl> Message-ID: <46FD3DC5.8020101@cmosnetworks.com> Nils Breunese wrote: > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > >> Nils Breunese wrote: >>> Kevin Mims wrote: >>> >>>> It's FC6. I see all kinds of references to an all-all patch, but I'm >>>> not sure what version of the Player is working the best under Fedora >>>> Core 6. >>> >>> As you can read in the docs Fedora Core 6 is not a supported host OS >>> for VMWare. I believe you do need that any-any patch. I know I needed >>> it when I installed VMWare Server (also free of charge these days) on >>> Fedora a couple of months ago. See >>> for more information on >>> the any-any patch. >> >> Just this week, I installed VMware Server on Ubuntu Feisty 64-bit on a >> Core 2 Duo box at work. I'm running Windows XP SP2 as a guest in the >> thing (requirement for the CrackBerry), and like Nils, I too needed the >> any-any patch. But it does work, and rather well. >> >> I haven't (yet) tried installing VMware on any Fedora releases, but if I >> were going to do that, I'd lean more toward RHEL or CentOS. That's >> because that's what VMware, Inc. is more likely to support as a host >> OS. Given my results with Feisty64, I'd guess that RHEL/CentOS probably >> would work pretty well with it, too. > > RHEL *is* a supported host OS for VMWare, so yes, I hope that that > would work out of the box. :o) > > Nils Breunese. Ha ha, smarty. :-) You're correct, though, and I should've been more clear; I meant to indicate RHEL 4.5 or 5.0, and that I'd give v5.0 a shot first just because it's got the newer stuff in it. But of course I didn't actually say that, now did I? Tough crowd, these Linux people...IT'S JUST TOO MUCH STRESS!!!!! --TP From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Fri Sep 28 17:54:45 2007 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:54:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] In-Reply-To: <46FD3DC5.8020101@cmosnetworks.com> References: <715471.66408.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <37F921EB-ED16-4690-B9DE-F338C1F9C495@breun.nl> <46FC9D1D.6030401@cmosnetworks.com><9B9AD1AF-8D1D-4BAE-80F8-7E17D3BAC430@breun.nl> <46FD3DC5.8020101@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Hello everyone, It's been too long since I've checked the list. I've had a lot of "fun" working with our LTSP lab. I finally resolved my issue with scholastic software. Even though I was able to get the older version working in the lab, it came down to the fact that the database wasn't stable. According to scholastic, "It is self-corrupting, two minutes after running the maintenance you WILL have errors in it again." So we upgraded to the new Enterprise Edition", which runs on a MySql database, using a flash player as a browser on the client to access the apps on the server. It uses Jboss as the appliation server. Funny how almost all of the software used open source, good side though, wine opens the executable to run any of the apps and uses native flash player, java, adobe, etc. So there is one problem solved. Unfortunately I'm still having a problem with a network drive that the school uses for both a digital dropbox and a basic application server for apps like microtype and geometer sketchpad. No on seems to have write access to the mounted drive and that is the main problem. It seems like it shouldn't be a hard thing to figure out, but I haven't had as much time to spend on it as I need to. Where should I start looking to fix this aside from chmod, because that doesn't seem to do it. If you need more info let me know, I'm hoping to get it fixed by Monday, otherwise I may be forced into a Microsoft Terminal setup, and that would kill me. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-I School District 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us From craig at tobyhouse.com Fri Sep 28 18:25:54 2007 From: craig at tobyhouse.com (Craig White) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:25:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] In-Reply-To: References: <715471.66408.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <37F921EB-ED16-4690-B9DE-F338C1F9C495@breun.nl> <46FC9D1D.6030401@cmosnetworks.com> <9B9AD1AF-8D1D-4BAE-80F8-7E17D3BAC430@breun.nl> <46FD3DC5.8020101@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1191003954.31843.103.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 12:54 -0500, Kemp, Levi wrote: > Hello everyone, > It's been too long since I've checked the list. I've had a lot > of "fun" working with our LTSP lab. I finally resolved my issue with > scholastic software. Even though I was able to get the older version > working in the lab, it came down to the fact that the database wasn't > stable. According to scholastic, "It is self-corrupting, two minutes > after running the maintenance you WILL have errors in it again." So we > upgraded to the new Enterprise Edition", which runs on a MySql database, > using a flash player as a browser on the client to access the apps on > the server. It uses Jboss as the appliation server. Funny how almost all > of the software used open source, good side though, wine opens the > executable to run any of the apps and uses native flash player, java, > adobe, etc. So there is one problem solved. Unfortunately I'm still > having a problem with a network drive that the school uses for both a > digital dropbox and a basic application server for apps like microtype > and geometer sketchpad. No on seems to have write access to the mounted > drive and that is the main problem. It seems like it shouldn't be a hard > thing to figure out, but I haven't had as much time to spend on it as I > need to. Where should I start looking to fix this aside from chmod, > because that doesn't seem to do it. If you need more info let me know, > I'm hoping to get it fixed by Monday, otherwise I may be forced into a > Microsoft Terminal setup, and that would kill me. ---- spare us the drama is the mount read only? on a computer that doesn't have write access to the mounted drive, can you run the command... mount and report back to us? -- Craig White From twolfe at sawback.com Fri Sep 28 21:56:55 2007 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Pine sent mail folder, how to show recipients instead of senders? And K12LTSP successes... In-Reply-To: <46FB10FD.201@scheie.homedns.org> References: <20070925145149.K80337@dyyme.pair.com> <46FA5C29.4060504@scheie.homedns.org> <20070926102808.A25500@dyyme.pair.com> <46FB10FD.201@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <20070928175320.K77513@dyyme.pair.com> Hello folks, in case anyone's interested, I found the answer to my Pine problem: Pine needs to know what e-mail addresses are yours so the field you want to update in .pinerc is: alt-addresses=m11 at pineiscool.com,me2 at pineiscool.com etc This assumes the index-format is set as default with the FROMORTO token, which means one will see the From for incoming mail and the To for outgoing mail. If the OP wants instead ALWAYS to see ONLY the FROM, he has to customize the index-format. M S C to enter configuration W index-format to locate the entry ? to enter entry specific help then click on the "list of tokens" link to see a thorough description of how to configure the index format. *** now that I think of it, the problem started way back years ago when I changed my email address from the system's default (userhame at host.xx) to my current email address. Regards, Tom Wolfe On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Peter Scheie wrote: > In my pine, I press < for the list of folders, select sent-mail, press $ for > sorting options, and then press T to sort by [To] which then sorts the > messages by the recipient. Is this not what you want? > > Peter > > Tom Wolfe wrote: >> Although $ sorts you still don't get recipient columns... which is really >> what I want, thanks though! >> >> Regards, >> Tom Wolfe >> >> >> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Peter Scheie wrote: >> >>> For pine, $ is the sort key; then you'll get choices for sorting by From, >>> To, Subject, etc. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> Tom Wolfe wrote: >>>> Sorry to ask this off-topic question... but it was asked a few years back >>>> on this list and I thought maybe someone might have a quick answer. >>>> >>>> How can I sort my sent mail folder according to recipient instead of >>>> sender (me)? >>>> >>>> On the K12LTSP front, we're expanding soon -- 100 more FREE "Computers >>>> for Schools" http://www.education.gov.ab.ca/cfs/ P3 units arriving any >>>> day now. This is a largely Microsoft funded project, but they are giving >>>> me stations with blank (or removed?) hard drives and preconfigured to PXE >>>> boot! How easy is that? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Tom Wolfe >>>> Morley Community School >>>> Morley, Alberta >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From mel at melwade.com Fri Sep 28 23:11:30 2007 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:11:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <43080f460709271241v180b2e1bm20939bed09732d55@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <46E17785.5000900@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709231627t41b684b3u58ad48ba597b5beb@mail.gmail.com> <46F73100.4050305@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709240739p274dd1aax249926a13ae51789@mail.gmail.com> <46F7D1A8.5050203@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709240824g21b9ef89w9e725e7bfbe09eeb@mail.gmail.com> <46F842E1.803@paasda.org> <46F988E6.4080801@futuresource.com> <43080f460709271241v180b2e1bm20939bed09732d55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460709281611l339873efwc9f63ae0feabbb08@mail.gmail.com> I've isolated the K12LTSP server from the network and it boots right up using the LTSP's DHCP server. This is brining me closer to calling it a network problem. The problem I have with the VLAN option is that my content filter needs to see the client IP addresses of each client on the whole network and that would require, as I understand it, segmenting the network and routing traffic which would make all the clients in a dorm appear to the content filter as the IP address of the switch. I can't block a particular TCP port on the switch as that is Layer 4. I'm still looking for options... Mel On 9/27/07, Mel Wade wrote: > > I'm currently leaning toward a network hardware problem as the issue. > I'll be doing some more testing today. I know that its not DNS as > everything is called by IP and I would have other problems if DNS were an > issue. > > I've also ordered a new procurve switch to replace my core switch which is > old and needs to be replaced anyway. With that I will be looking a the vlan > option of having new each building pull DCHP from their own server and > having the DHCP server be the K12LTSP server. I've not done much with > managed switches and vLANs before so this will be a bit of new territory. > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twolfe at sawback.com Sat Sep 29 14:59:53 2007 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] In-Reply-To: <1191003954.31843.103.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> References: <715471.66408.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <37F921EB-ED16-4690-B9DE-F338C1F9C495@breun.nl> <46FC9D1D.6030401@cmosnetworks.com> <9B9AD1AF-8D1D-4BAE-80F8-7E17D3BAC430@breun.nl> <46FD3DC5.8020101@cmosnetworks.com> <1191003954.31843.103.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> Message-ID: <20070929105817.R21989@dyyme.pair.com> Oh come on, the drama is what makes life worth living. So Levi -- Scholastic, you have it working on K12LTSP??? Do you have Read180 working too? I would really be interested in a little how-to or something. I can get everything BUT Read 180 to work over Terminal Services (it's killing me but it works). Regards, Tom Wolfe Morley, AB On Fri, 28 Sep 2007, Craig White wrote: > On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 12:54 -0500, Kemp, Levi wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> It's been too long since I've checked the list. I've had a lot >> of "fun" working with our LTSP lab. I finally resolved my issue with >> scholastic software. Even though I was able to get the older version >> working in the lab, it came down to the fact that the database wasn't >> stable. According to scholastic, "It is self-corrupting, two minutes >> after running the maintenance you WILL have errors in it again." So we >> upgraded to the new Enterprise Edition", which runs on a MySql database, >> using a flash player as a browser on the client to access the apps on >> the server. It uses Jboss as the appliation server. Funny how almost all >> of the software used open source, good side though, wine opens the >> executable to run any of the apps and uses native flash player, java, >> adobe, etc. So there is one problem solved. Unfortunately I'm still >> having a problem with a network drive that the school uses for both a >> digital dropbox and a basic application server for apps like microtype >> and geometer sketchpad. No on seems to have write access to the mounted >> drive and that is the main problem. It seems like it shouldn't be a hard >> thing to figure out, but I haven't had as much time to spend on it as I >> need to. Where should I start looking to fix this aside from chmod, >> because that doesn't seem to do it. If you need more info let me know, >> I'm hoping to get it fixed by Monday, otherwise I may be forced into a >> Microsoft Terminal setup, and that would kill me. > ---- > spare us the drama > > is the mount read only? on a computer that doesn't have write access to > the mounted drive, can you run the command... > > mount > > and report back to us? > > -- > Craig White > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From twolfe at sawback.com Sat Sep 29 15:01:30 2007 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RMON network switch monitoring software? Message-ID: <20070929110027.T21989@dyyme.pair.com> Anyone know of any SNMP/RMON software that I can use to monitor my Dell PowerConnect switches for collisions, etc? The crappy web management software is a pain to use. In fact it's killing me :) Regards, Tom Wolfe --- Tom Wolfe, IT Specialist twolfe at sawback.com Stoney Educational Authority tel: (403) 881-3650 Box 238, Morley AB, T0L 1N0 fax: (403) 881-2793 Morley Community School | Chief Jacob Bearspaw School | Ta-otha School From twolfe at sawback.com Sat Sep 29 15:02:49 2007 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Yum update problems Message-ID: <20070929110150.R21989@dyyme.pair.com> Here's something else that's killing me, and I feel like a dufus because I'm sure it should be easy to fix. when I do yum -y update I get at the end the following: --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libxpcom_core.so for package: firefox-devel --> Processing Dependency: libgtkembedmoz.so for package: devhelp --> Processing Dependency: firefox = 1.5.0.10-5.fc6 for package: firefox-devel --> Processing Dependency: libdbus-1.so.2()(64bit) for package: qt4 --> Processing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.8.0.10 for package: devhelp --> Processing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.8.0.10 for package: yelp --> Processing Dependency: libmozjs.so for package: firefox-devel --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: libgtkembedmoz.so is needed by package devhelp Error: Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.8.0.10 is needed by package yelp Error: Missing Dependency: firefox = 1.5.0.10-5.fc6 is needed by package firefox-devel Error: Missing Dependency: libxpcom_core.so is needed by package firefox-devel Error: Missing Dependency: libmozjs.so is needed by package firefox-devel Error: Missing Dependency: libdbus-1.so.2()(64bit) is needed by package qt4 Error: Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.8.0.10 is needed by package devhelp [root at srv06 ~]# any suggestions on how to get it to work? Thanks... Regards, Tom Wolfe --- Tom Wolfe, IT Specialist twolfe at sawback.com Stoney Educational Authority tel: (403) 881-3650 Box 238, Morley AB, T0L 1N0 fax: (403) 881-2793 Morley Community School | Chief Jacob Bearspaw School | Ta-otha School From les at futuresource.com Sat Sep 29 15:11:05 2007 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:11:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RMON network switch monitoring software? In-Reply-To: <20070929110027.T21989@dyyme.pair.com> References: <20070929110027.T21989@dyyme.pair.com> Message-ID: <46FE6B09.1020708@futuresource.com> Tom Wolfe wrote: > Anyone know of any SNMP/RMON software that I can use to monitor my Dell > PowerConnect switches for collisions, etc? The crappy web management > software is a pain to use. In fact it's killing me :) > I haven't tried it with Dell switches, but OpenNMS is a great monitoring system and they just added a yum repository that makes it painless to install on Centos or fedora. It's java based and still somewhat complex to configure but if you have enough equipment to make it worthwhile give it a try. http://www.opennms.org/index.php/Installation:Yum -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Sat Sep 29 16:29:04 2007 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:29:04 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] "Nating" IPX Message-ID: Does anyone know how to set up IPX so that the external school network gets IPX packets from my ltsp network with the school's network number? Or how to test an IPX connection between a Windows client and a Novell server? _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Sep 29 22:44:13 2007 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:44:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Documentation In-Reply-To: <43080f460709281611l339873efwc9f63ae0feabbb08@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460709062100v4734d27odde1c96594912338@mail.gmail.com> <46E17785.5000900@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709231627t41b684b3u58ad48ba597b5beb@mail.gmail.com> <46F73100.4050305@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709240739p274dd1aax249926a13ae51789@mail.gmail.com> <46F7D1A8.5050203@cmosnetworks.com> <43080f460709240824g21b9ef89w9e725e7bfbe09eeb@mail.gmail.com> <46F842E1.803@paasda.org> <46F988E6.4080801@futuresource.com> <43080f460709271241v180b2e1bm20939bed09732d55@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460709281611l339873efwc9f63ae0feabbb08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FED53D.8030806@cmosnetworks.com> Mel Wade wrote: > I've isolated the K12LTSP server from the network and it boots right > up using the LTSP's DHCP server. This is brining me closer to calling > it a network problem. > I would tend to agree. If your network isn't running right, then you have bigger problems. > The problem I have with the VLAN option is that my content filter > needs to see the client IP addresses of each client on the whole > network and that would require, as I understand it, segmenting the > network and routing traffic which would make all the clients in a dorm > appear to the content filter as the IP address of the switch. I can't > block a particular TCP port on the switch as that is Layer 4. I'm > still looking for options... > Here's where I don't agree. Segmenting the network and routing traffic would not make all the clients in a dorm appear to the content filter as the IP address of the switch. I do content filtering all the time on routed networks, and each client appears as itself. The only time that's not true is if you're NAT'ing IP subnets internally (i. e. other than at your Internet router or firewall), which, unless you have a REALLY good reason and know exactly why you're doing it, is a bad idea. As for blocking particular TCP ports on Layer 3 switches, I do that all the time, too, assuming that your switch supports ACL's that allow you to filter by TCP or UDP port. We use Cisco Catalysts in my district, and they definitely support this. --TP