From scott at hosef.org Fri Feb 1 05:44:04 2008 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:44:04 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Using multiple DSL connections In-Reply-To: <25705823.121201792003873.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> References: <25705823.121201792003873.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> Message-ID: <47A2B1A4.2070902@hosef.org> Tim Nelson wrote: > You may want to look at another open source project called pfSense. > It is a router/firewall platform that you can run on embedded > hardware or even an old server/pc you have lying around. One of its > greatest features is the abiliity to load balance multiple WAN links. > Keep in mind if you have two 3Mbit pipes, you will not get 6Mbit > throughput, but rather, outbound connections will be sent out one > pipe or another based upon state or bandwidth usage. You can even > assign your VoIP traffic priority over other traffic using the built > in traffic shaper. > > The project is -VERY- active with an imminent 1.2 stable release just > around the corner. Support is second to none in the forums, mailing > lists, and their paid commercial support. > Ditto to pfSense. It is so very, very good. > http://www.pfsense.org > > Tim Nelson Systems/Network Support Rockbochs Inc. (218)727-4332 --scott From devrylin.thesageinblack at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 05:48:45 2008 From: devrylin.thesageinblack at gmail.com (Devry Lin) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:48:45 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help integrating LTSP Server into school network Message-ID: <229185470801312148m2ef19263q4ba3a71531e95ddc@mail.gmail.com> Thank you all for the help! It was because of the subnetting... (our school used a 192.168 network.. so i changed the LTSP to 172.168) I was able to convince the IT people in my school to let me plug it on to the network, and now i am writting this mail on one of the clients! -- "Puex Ce Que Veux. Allons-y". (Where there's a will, there's a way. Let's go.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 06:07:54 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:07:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help integrating LTSP Server into school network In-Reply-To: <229185470801312148m2ef19263q4ba3a71531e95ddc@mail.gmail.com> References: <229185470801312148m2ef19263q4ba3a71531e95ddc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/1/31 Devry Lin : > Thank you all for the help! It was because of the subnetting... (our school > used a 192.168 network.. so i changed the LTSP to 172.168) I was able to > convince the IT people in my school to let me plug it on to the network, and > now i am writting this mail on one of the clients! > -- > "Puex Ce Que Veux. Allons-y". (Where there's a will, there's a way. Let's > go.) Well done Devry. Welcome to the world of LTSP :) and good catch James your post was most intuitive. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 07:13:51 2008 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:43:51 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help integrating LTSP Server into school network In-Reply-To: <229185470801312148m2ef19263q4ba3a71531e95ddc@mail.gmail.com> References: <229185470801312148m2ef19263q4ba3a71531e95ddc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20801312313x3ea189devdd9acfa3b6068055@mail.gmail.com> On 01/02/2008, Devry Lin wrote: > Thank you all for the help! It was because of the subnetting... (our school > used a 192.168 network.. so i changed the LTSP to 172.168) I was able to > convince the IT people in my school to let me plug it on to the network, and > now i am writting this mail on one of the clients! As your students would say "kewl" -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. From micha at arava.co.il Fri Feb 1 09:37:46 2008 From: micha at arava.co.il (Micha Silver) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:37:46 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help integrating LTSP Server into school network In-Reply-To: <229185470801312148m2ef19263q4ba3a71531e95ddc@mail.gmail.com> References: <229185470801312148m2ef19263q4ba3a71531e95ddc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A2E86A.6030303@arava.co.il> Devry Lin wrote: > Thank you all for the help! It was because of the subnetting... (our school > used a 192.168 network.. so i changed the LTSP to 172.168) I was able to > I think that's a routeable address. There are internet sites with "real" address in the range 172.168.x.x that you won't be able to reach if your internal LAN has those addresses. You might do better to choose a subnet in the range 172.16.x.x - 172.31.x.x -- Micha > convince the IT people in my school to let me plug it on to the network, and > now i am writting this mail on one of the clients! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 11:00:04 2008 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:30:04 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help integrating LTSP Server into school network In-Reply-To: <47A2E86A.6030303@arava.co.il> References: <229185470801312148m2ef19263q4ba3a71531e95ddc@mail.gmail.com> <47A2E86A.6030303@arava.co.il> Message-ID: <774593a20802010300q1156ff9cyb5405f9ff77e7a@mail.gmail.com> On 01/02/2008, Micha Silver wrote: > I think that's a routeable address. There are internet sites with "real" > address in the range 172.168.x.x that you won't be able to reach if your > internal LAN has those addresses. > You might do better to choose a subnet in the range 172.16.x.x - 172.31.x.x AFAIK this is local subnet range as is 10... -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. From micha at arava.co.il Fri Feb 1 11:21:34 2008 From: micha at arava.co.il (Micha Silver) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:21:34 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help integrating LTSP Server into school network In-Reply-To: <774593a20802010300q1156ff9cyb5405f9ff77e7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <229185470801312148m2ef19263q4ba3a71531e95ddc@mail.gmail.com> <47A2E86A.6030303@arava.co.il> <774593a20802010300q1156ff9cyb5405f9ff77e7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A300BE.30104@arava.co.il> Sudev Barar wrote: > On 01/02/2008, Micha Silver wrote: > >> I think that's a routeable address. There are internet sites with "real" >> address in the range 172.168.x.x that you won't be able to reach if your >> internal LAN has those addresses. >> You might do better to choose a subnet in the range 172.16.x.x - 172.31.x.x >> > > AFAIK this is local subnet range as is 10... > If I'm not mistaken, Devry chose 172.168.x.x as his subnet. That's not a local subnet range. From rfc1918: 3. Private Address Space The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the following three blocks of the IP address space for private internets: 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 (10/8 prefix) 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 (172.16/12 prefix) 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix) We will refer to the first block as "24-bit block", the second as "20-bit block", and to the third as "16-bit" block. Note that (in pre-CIDR notation) the first block is nothing but a single class A network number, while the second block is a set of 16 contiguous class B network numbers, and third block is a set of 256 contiguous class C network numbers. From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 15:46:19 2008 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:46:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for wisdom of the masses In-Reply-To: <47A1D90902000078000050FC@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47A1D90902000078000050FC@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <47A33ECB.6060003@gmail.com> Doug Simpson wrote: > Just let them use vncviewer and connect that way. . . Works for me. . . > > They'll have to come in through the public IP unless they are inside. . . > > Doug > VNC passes session traffic "in the clear" (without encryption). While you can tunnel VNC in SSH, it is clumsy to set up and not very efficient. NX/freenx uses SSH for transport (strong encryption) and is uses bandwidth more efficiently as well, using aggressive compresstion and caching to make the sesstion more responsive. Opening (port forwarding) the SSH service to the Internet can be a security problem. If possible I would restrict which users can use SSH and make sure those users have "good" passwords; not vulnerable to dictionary attacks. Also make sure that SSH is up-to-date and keep it that way, plus turn off VNC version 1 capability. >>>> "Alan Hodson" 01/31/08 1:33 PM >>> > Salutations > > At a school where I just installed a new server (Centos5-64B AMD Dell) for 30 thin clients, teachers are wanting to log into the system from their own laptops. The district is behind a firewall and the server's eth1 has a static IP: 10.x.x.x - what is the easiest way of allowing them to log in as thin clients from areas away from the lab? VLans are not viable, and their laptops are running XP. I should be able to burn a cd with enough info/resources for them to log in, no? DSL? > All suggestions welcomed > > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > -=o=- > > Alan A Hodson MEd. > oF: 915-887-6871 > fX: 915-779-4100 > aahodson at episd.org > http://links.episd.org/ > http://tinyurl.com/3e4sh8 > > Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, > but by the moments that take our breath away > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 16:32:57 2008 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:02:57 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help integrating LTSP Server into school network In-Reply-To: <47A300BE.30104@arava.co.il> References: <229185470801312148m2ef19263q4ba3a71531e95ddc@mail.gmail.com> <47A2E86A.6030303@arava.co.il> <774593a20802010300q1156ff9cyb5405f9ff77e7a@mail.gmail.com> <47A300BE.30104@arava.co.il> Message-ID: <774593a20802010832h425f146ax87abb32ae6048438@mail.gmail.com> On 01/02/2008, Micha Silver wrote: > > AFAIK this is local subnet range as is 10... > > > If I'm not mistaken, Devry chose 172.168.x.x as his subnet. That's not a > local subnet range. > From rfc1918: > > 3. Private Address Space > > The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the > following three blocks of the IP address space for private internets: > > 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 (10/8 prefix) > 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 (172.16/12 prefix) > 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix) Yup, I stand corrected. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 1 19:17:15 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:17:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for wisdom of the masses In-Reply-To: <47A33ECB.6060003@gmail.com> References: <47A1D90902000078000050FC@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47A33ECB.6060003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A31BDA.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Agreed. . . VNC is fast and easy and is likely already set up. . . I really need to get NX, though. . . it is faster, smoother and is more secure. . . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> John Lucas 2/1/2008 9:46 AM >>> Doug Simpson wrote: > Just let them use vncviewer and connect that way. . . Works for me. . . > > They'll have to come in through the public IP unless they are inside. . . > > Doug > VNC passes session traffic "in the clear" (without encryption). While you can tunnel VNC in SSH, it is clumsy to set up and not very efficient. NX/freenx uses SSH for transport (strong encryption) and is uses bandwidth more efficiently as well, using aggressive compresstion and caching to make the sesstion more responsive. Opening (port forwarding) the SSH service to the Internet can be a security problem. If possible I would restrict which users can use SSH and make sure those users have "good" passwords; not vulnerable to dictionary attacks. Also make sure that SSH is up-to-date and keep it that way, plus turn off VNC version 1 capability. >>>> "Alan Hodson" 01/31/08 1:33 PM >>> > Salutations > > At a school where I just installed a new server (Centos5-64B AMD Dell) for 30 thin clients, teachers are wanting to log into the system from their own laptops. The district is behind a firewall and the server's eth1 has a static IP: 10.x.x.x - what is the easiest way of allowing them to log in as thin clients from areas away from the lab? VLans are not viable, and their laptops are running XP. I should be able to burn a cd with enough info/resources for them to log in, no? DSL? > All suggestions welcomed > > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > -=o=- > > Alan A Hodson MEd. > oF: 915-887-6871 > fX: 915-779-4100 > aahodson at episd.org > http://links.episd.org/ > http://tinyurl.com/3e4sh8 > > Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, > but by the moments that take our breath away > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From phanh at canby.k12.or.us Fri Feb 1 22:33:34 2008 From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:33:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems Message-ID: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> Hello, folks We are stump at this moment to provide a solution for mass remote login to 40 computer labs at any given time. We found solution for mass auto-login but nothing else. Have anyone found a solution for similar issue? Thank you very much for your advice, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowens at ptd.net Fri Feb 1 23:17:16 2008 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:17:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for wisdom of the masses In-Reply-To: <47A33ECB.6060003@gmail.com> References: <47A1D90902000078000050FC@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47A33ECB.6060003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080201231716.GB18715@junker.owens.net> On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 11:46:19AM -0400, John Lucas wrote: > Doug Simpson wrote: > >Just let them use vncviewer and connect that way. . . Works for me. . . > > > >They'll have to come in through the public IP unless they are inside. . . > > > >Doug > > > > VNC passes session traffic "in the clear" (without encryption). While you > can tunnel VNC in SSH, it is clumsy to set up and not very efficient. > > NX/freenx uses SSH for transport (strong encryption) and is uses bandwidth > more efficiently as well, using aggressive compresstion and caching to make > the sesstion more responsive. > > Opening (port forwarding) the SSH service to the Internet can be a security > problem. If possible I would restrict which users can use SSH and make sure > those users have "good" passwords; not vulnerable to dictionary attacks. > Also make sure that SSH is up-to-date and keep it that way, plus turn off > VNC version 1 capability. > FreeNX allows you to use a separate password file for authentication, so you can have easy-to-remember passwords for local access, but harder ones for NX authentication. I forget where you set it, but I've used it successfully on a machine that does not allow ssh password authentication. -Rob From pxeboot at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 00:07:17 2008 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:07:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> References: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> Message-ID: If your client PCs support Wake-On-LAN or Remote Wake-up, you can "wake them up" at a specific time. W-O-L is normally a feature that is enabled/disabled from the system BIOS. 2008/2/1 Hung Phan : > Hello, folks > We are stump at this moment to provide a solution for mass remote login to > 40 computer labs at any given time. We found solution for mass auto-login > but nothing else. > Have anyone found a solution for similar issue? > > Thank you very much for your advice, > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pxeboot at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 00:08:18 2008 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:08:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> References: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> Message-ID: If your client PCs support Wake-On-LAN or Remote Wake-up, you can "wake them up" at a specific time. W-O-L is normally a feature that is enabled/disabled from the system BIOS. 2008/2/1 Hung Phan : > Hello, folks > We are stump at this moment to provide a solution for mass remote login to > 40 computer labs at any given time. We found solution for mass auto-login > but nothing else. > Have anyone found a solution for similar issue? > > Thank you very much for your advice, > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phanh at canby.k12.or.us Sat Feb 2 00:18:50 2008 From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:18:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: References: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <25CDD6DC-452C-40AB-A20B-1343E53F5F0F@canby.k12.or.us> WOL is something we are working on too for the lab but the current issue is to send the login credential to 40 remote systems. The teacher wants to log into 40 systems at the beginning of every testing period to save time. We accomplish something like this on the Mac by scripting but not sure about Linux. May be someone have a better solution? We are open to all solution: open source, script, or commercial. Thank you very much, On Feb 1, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Conrad Lawes wrote: > If your client PCs support Wake-On-LAN or Remote Wake-up, you can > "wake them up" at a specific time. > > W-O-L is normally a feature that is enabled/disabled from the > system BIOS. > > > 2008/2/1 Hung Phan : > Hello, folks > > We are stump at this moment to provide a solution for mass remote > login to 40 computer labs at any given time. We found solution for > mass auto-login but nothing else. > Have anyone found a solution for similar issue? > > Thank you very much for your advice, > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > -- > Regards, > Conrad Lawes > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Hung Phan Network Specialist Canby School District 1859 S Township Canby, OR 97013 503-266-0010 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Sat Feb 2 00:48:26 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:48:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: <25CDD6DC-452C-40AB-A20B-1343E53F5F0F@canby.k12.or.us> References: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> <25CDD6DC-452C-40AB-A20B-1343E53F5F0F@canby.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <47A3BDDA.6040706@paasda.org> why not use the mass-auto-login and just script it to occur at a specific time/date? I only assume this is a K12LTSP lab and not 40 Windows machines... Hung Phan wrote: > WOL is something we are working on too for the lab but the current issue > is to send the login credential to 40 remote systems. The teacher wants > to log into 40 systems at the beginning of every testing period to save > time. We accomplish something like this on the Mac by scripting but not > sure about Linux. May be someone have a better solution? We are open to > all solution: open source, script, or commercial. > > Thank you very much, > > > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Conrad Lawes wrote: > >> If your client PCs support Wake-On-LAN or Remote Wake-up, you can >> "wake them up" at a specific time. >> >> W-O-L is normally a feature that is enabled/disabled from the system >> BIOS. >> >> >> 2008/2/1 Hung Phan >: >> >> Hello, folks >> >> We are stump at this moment to provide a solution for mass remote >> login to 40 computer labs at any given time. We found solution for >> mass auto-login but nothing else. >> Have anyone found a solution for similar issue? >> >> Thank you very much for your advice, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Conrad Lawes >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > Hung Phan > Network Specialist > Canby School District > 1859 S Township > Canby, OR 97013 > 503-266-0010 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Feb 2 01:35:15 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:35:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> References: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Why is auto login not acceptable? On Feb 1, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Hung Phan wrote: > Hello, folks > > We are stump at this moment to provide a solution for mass remote > login to 40 computer labs at any given time. We found solution for > mass auto-login but nothing else. > Have anyone found a solution for similar issue? > > Thank you very much for your advice, > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sat Feb 2 15:06:02 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:06:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: <25CDD6DC-452C-40AB-A20B-1343E53F5F0F@canby.k12.or.us> References: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> <25CDD6DC-452C-40AB-A20B-1343E53F5F0F@canby.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1201964762.6663.210.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 16:18 -0800, Hung Phan wrote: > WOL is something we are working on too for the lab but the current > issue is to send the login credential to 40 remote systems. The > teacher wants to log into 40 systems at the beginning of every testing > period to save time. We accomplish something like this on the Mac by > scripting but not sure about Linux. May be someone have a better > solution? We are open to all solution: open source, script, or > commercial. > At the risk of sounding like a jerk, why are the teachers incapable of instructing the students on how to log into the machines. It takes all of 15 seconds and is a valuable part of the learning process. I've seen first graders happily logging into their own account using a username and password. I've also seen teachers unable to access their email because they can't remember to look at the caps-lock key. If the teachers can't make that work just setup the machines for autologin and do a wake on LAN startup. Now they are always running and ready for use by anyone who sits down. If the schools are going to be able to effectively use this tremendous technology upgrade to Linux thin clients (or Linux at all) the technologists who make it happen have to raise the bar on the knowledge expectations of the teachers. The kids will generally be running circles around the teachers in a week on new tech in the classroom. The teachers MUST step up and gain at the barest minimum a functional foundation of computers. Linux systems are extremely powerful tools and training of teachers of good practices and habits is mandatory. > > Thank you very much, > > > > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Conrad Lawes wrote: > > > If your client PCs support Wake-On-LAN or Remote Wake-up, you can > > "wake them up" at a specific time. > > > > W-O-L is normally a feature that is enabled/disabled from the > > system BIOS. > > > > > > 2008/2/1 Hung Phan : > > Hello, folks > > > > > > We are stump at this moment to provide a solution for mass > > remote login to 40 computer labs at any given time. We found > > solution for mass auto-login but nothing else. > > Have anyone found a solution for similar issue? > > > > > > Thank you very much for your advice, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Conrad Lawes > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > Hung Phan > Network Specialist > Canby School District > 1859 S Township > Canby, OR 97013 > 503-266-0010 > > > > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Feb 2 20:59:00 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:59:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: <1201964762.6663.210.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> <25CDD6DC-452C-40AB-A20B-1343E53F5F0F@canby.k12.or.us> <1201964762.6663.210.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <47A4D994.7010801@cmosnetworks.com> James P. Kinney III wrote: > On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 16:18 -0800, Hung Phan wrote: > >> WOL is something we are working on too for the lab but the current >> issue is to send the login credential to 40 remote systems. The >> teacher wants to log into 40 systems at the beginning of every testing >> period to save time. We accomplish something like this on the Mac by >> scripting but not sure about Linux. May be someone have a better >> solution? We are open to all solution: open source, script, or >> commercial. >> >> > > At the risk of sounding like a jerk, why are the teachers incapable of > instructing the students on how to log into the machines. It takes all > of 15 seconds and is a valuable part of the learning process. I've seen > first graders happily logging into their own account using a username > and password. I've also seen teachers unable to access their email > because they can't remember to look at the caps-lock key. > > > Gotta agree there. Remember, folks, kids today are growing up with computers the same way that my generation grew up with televisions and VCR's. Even the youngest of schoolchildren today have no problem putting in a username and password. > If the teachers can't make that work just setup the machines for > autologin and do a wake on LAN startup. Now they are always running and > ready for use by anyone who sits down. > > If the schools are going to be able to effectively use this tremendous > technology upgrade to Linux thin clients (or Linux at all) the > technologists who make it happen have to raise the bar on the knowledge > expectations of the teachers. The kids will generally be running circles > around the teachers in a week on new tech in the classroom. The teachers > MUST step up and gain at the barest minimum a functional foundation of > computers. Linux systems are extremely powerful tools and training of > teachers of good practices and habits is mandatory. > It never ceases to amaze me how teachers preen themselves with their pedigrees, but then will nearly-violently refuse to learn to use a new tool, claiming, "waaah, it's too hard!" Then their "uneducated" kids walk up to it and use it with aplomb.... Case in point. Just last month I popped a 12-year-old kid in front of a CentOS 5 box. He had never even *heard* of Linux or GNU before. Within seconds, he had Firefox up and was otherwise moving around the computer like there was nothing to it. Here's another: I know a high school kid whose English teacher was getting all upset and bent out of shape because "THE COMPUTER'S NOT WORKING!" She was all set to take this up the chain of command. Well, without saying a word, this kid walked up to the computer, pressed the button marked "POWER", and the computer magically started working. Did she thank him? Nope. On the contrary, she gave him what he described to me as a most baleful, nearly hateful, look. Right then, he lost all respect for her, and I don't blame him. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 17:10:14 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:10:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: <47A4D994.7010801@cmosnetworks.com> References: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> <25CDD6DC-452C-40AB-A20B-1343E53F5F0F@canby.k12.or.us> <1201964762.6663.210.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <47A4D994.7010801@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: 2008/2/2 "Terrell Prud? Jr." : > > Here's another: I know a high school kid whose English teacher was getting > all upset and bent out of shape because "THE COMPUTER'S NOT WORKING!" She > was all set to take this up the chain of command. Well, without saying a > word, this kid walked up to the computer, pressed the button marked "POWER", > and the computer magically started working. Did she thank him? Nope. On > the contrary, she gave him what he described to me as a most baleful, nearly > hateful, look. Right then, he lost all respect for her, and I don't blame > him. > Doesn't have to be a teacher. A guy I used to work with insisted on setting up a new system. After a couple of hours, he started ranting about how it was broken, DOA. So, he logged a support call (and we carry 4 hour on-site for all systems). The tech drives up from the support office (hour drive), walks over to the system, looks behind it, plugs in the keyboard, logs in and leaves. System fixed. The guy that logged the call was not happy about being 'shown up' and always insisted that the keyboard must have been defective. Dave Hopkins From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Feb 3 20:02:03 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:02:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: References: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> <25CDD6DC-452C-40AB-A20B-1343E53F5F0F@canby.k12.or.us> <1201964762.6663.210.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <47A4D994.7010801@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <47A61DBB.1070401@cmosnetworks.com> David Hopkins wrote: > 2008/2/2 "Terrell Prud? Jr." : > >> Here's another: I know a high school kid whose English teacher was getting >> all upset and bent out of shape because "THE COMPUTER'S NOT WORKING!" She >> was all set to take this up the chain of command. Well, without saying a >> word, this kid walked up to the computer, pressed the button marked "POWER", >> and the computer magically started working. Did she thank him? Nope. On >> the contrary, she gave him what he described to me as a most baleful, nearly >> hateful, look. Right then, he lost all respect for her, and I don't blame >> him. >> >> > > Doesn't have to be a teacher. That's quite true. > A guy I used to work with insisted on > setting up a new system. After a couple of hours, he started ranting > about how it was broken, DOA. So, he logged a support call (and we > carry 4 hour on-site for all systems). The tech drives up from the > support office (hour drive), walks over to the system, looks behind > it, plugs in the keyboard, logs in and leaves. System fixed. The guy > that logged the call was not happy about being 'shown up' and always > insisted that the keyboard must have been defective. > > Dave Hopkins What our two examples indicate is an ego problem, specifically the end-user's ego problem. This is particularly compounded when those end users are accustomed to flaunting their "advanced degrees" all around trying to show us how smart they're supposed to be. What I haven't yet figured out yet is how to get such people to be willing to learn the tool, like kids do. This is one of our biggest roadblocks to furthering K12LTSP and Free Software in general. Ideas, anyone? --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sun Feb 3 20:38:43 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:38:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: <47A61DBB.1070401@cmosnetworks.com> References: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> <25CDD6DC-452C-40AB-A20B-1343E53F5F0F@canby.k12.or.us> <1201964762.6663.210.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <47A4D994.7010801@cmosnetworks.com> <47A61DBB.1070401@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1202071123.6663.286.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 15:02 -0500, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > What I haven't yet figured out yet is how to get such people to be > willing to learn the tool, like kids do. This is one of our biggest > roadblocks to furthering K12LTSP and Free Software in general. Ideas, > anyone? Link promotions and pay increases to performance enhancing technology proficiency testing devised by the tech geeks like us. When the ego is slapped with the paycheck, many people will start paying attention to the nerd who is trying to teach them how to stop looking foolish. -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From ericbrow at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 20:44:20 2008 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:44:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: <1202071123.6663.286.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> <25CDD6DC-452C-40AB-A20B-1343E53F5F0F@canby.k12.or.us> <1201964762.6663.210.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <47A4D994.7010801@cmosnetworks.com> <47A61DBB.1070401@cmosnetworks.com> <1202071123.6663.286.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: > On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 15:02 -0500, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > > What I haven't yet figured out yet is how to get such people to be > > willing to learn the tool, like kids do. This is one of our biggest > > roadblocks to furthering K12LTSP and Free Software in general. Ideas, > > anyone? > > Link promotions and pay increases to performance enhancing technology > proficiency testing devised by the tech geeks like us. When the ego is > slapped with the paycheck, many people will start paying attention to > the nerd who is trying to teach them how to stop looking foolish. As mentioned earlier in this thread, our tech coordinator likes to mention how many degrees and pieces of paper she has. She's also real big on tying pay increases to increases in test scores when negations come around. Her first question when approached with a new IT project is "Exactly what does Apple Corporation sell that I can purchase that may meet some aspect of this new need.". My idea was to start charging $130 per seat off of a K12LTSP server. Then it has to be good, right? From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 21:22:04 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 16:22:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: References: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> <25CDD6DC-452C-40AB-A20B-1343E53F5F0F@canby.k12.or.us> <1201964762.6663.210.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <47A4D994.7010801@cmosnetworks.com> <47A61DBB.1070401@cmosnetworks.com> <1202071123.6663.286.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: > > Link promotions and pay increases to performance enhancing technology > > proficiency testing devised by the tech geeks like us. When the ego is > > slapped with the paycheck, many people will start paying attention to > > the nerd who is trying to teach them how to stop looking foolish. trouble is what constitutes good use? No matter what you pick, the union will get involved and then it gets very very complicated. Just look at the fuss over using standardized testing as a measure of teacher effectiveness. The approach I've found to work is patience and re-enforcement of the 'but the kids don't have an issue with it'. Couple this with showing them things they can do with the Linux-way that can't be done easily nor cheaply the MS/Apple way and get upper management to take the savings and put them back into the classroom as books, field trips, pay increases, other benefits, plus being able to give all the software to the kids for home use and most of the teachers start to appreciate it. > > As mentioned earlier in this thread, our tech coordinator likes to > mention how many degrees and pieces of paper she has. She's also > real big on tying pay increases to increases in test scores when > negations come around. Her first question when approached with a new > IT project is "Exactly what does Apple Corporation sell that I can > purchase that may meet some aspect of this new need.". > > My idea was to start charging $130 per seat off of a K12LTSP server. > Then it has to be good, right? > Which is why we use StarOffice instead of just OO.org ... granted it is only $80.00 for the entire district, but ... it is a paid product. And I have had someone in the DOE actually ask me why they should be interested in saving money since if they don't spend it, then their 'power' is reduced on the next budget. Dave Hopkins From pfaffman at relaxpc.com Sun Feb 3 23:57:40 2008 From: pfaffman at relaxpc.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:57:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap installer problems on clean el5 installation Message-ID: <932609800802031557x5993d04fnd0f47e290e17a38c@mail.gmail.com> I have just installed K12LSTP5EL on a handful of machines. I'm hoping to use one as an LDAP/NFS server and 4 others as in-class servers supporting 10-15 clients. I was elated to see that Matt Oquist seems to have figured this out for me. Alas, the script dies. I solved the first problem by editing distrodata.pm and removing rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY; and the "--disablerepo=core" from the yum command there. Things looked good for a while, but after the install one of the config scripts died. Here's what looks like the salient info from the logs. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-populate line 35, line 225. failure! I'm stopping here because this is bad. Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks. I am a professor at the University of Tennessee and am starting a K12LTSP study in two middle schools. I'm hoping to have data showing that K12LTSP does what most people here think it does. -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville http://learn.occ.utk.edu/ +1-865-974-0497 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Feb 4 04:59:17 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:59:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: References: <102E2A7E-68B7-4362-AB10-EE2E68AC8C93@canby.k12.or.us> <25CDD6DC-452C-40AB-A20B-1343E53F5F0F@canby.k12.or.us> <1201964762.6663.210.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <47A4D994.7010801@cmosnetworks.com> <47A61DBB.1070401@cmosnetworks.com> <1202071123.6663.286.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <47A69BA5.6040403@cmosnetworks.com> David Hopkins wrote: >>> Link promotions and pay increases to performance enhancing technology >>> proficiency testing devised by the tech geeks like us. When the ego is >>> slapped with the paycheck, many people will start paying attention to >>> the nerd who is trying to teach them how to stop looking foolish. >>> > > trouble is what constitutes good use? If by that you mean "basic proficiency", then that would be for *us*, the tech geeks, to decide. No, hacking /etc/dhcpd.conf or the Windows Registry doesn't need to be on there. But obviously stupid stuff should be: 1.) The CD/DVD drive tray is *not* a cup holder. 2.) Yes, you must actually press the Power button to turn on the computer. Duh.... 3.) No, the mouse is in fact *not* a "gas pedal." 4.) The phrase "move the mouse across the screen" does not actually mean to put the physical mouse on the physical screen and move said mouse. Duh.... 5.) Show basic competence in Web surfing, office productivity (word processing, spreadsheet, presentations). 6.) Know what the "ping" command is, as well as how to find your own IP address and default gateway. Yes, this is basic, i. e. "how-to-use-a-can-opener"-type stuff. You have to know more to be able to drive a car, so by comparison, *this* list is a snap. > No matter what you pick, the > union will get involved and then it gets very very complicated. Just > look at the fuss over using standardized testing as a measure of > teacher effectiveness. The approach I've found to work is patience > and re-enforcement of the 'but the kids don't have an issue with it'. > Couple this with showing them things they can do with the Linux-way > that can't be done easily nor cheaply the MS/Apple way and get upper > management to take the savings and put them back into the classroom as > books, field trips, pay increases, other benefits, plus being able to > give all the software to the kids for home use and most of the > teachers start to appreciate it. > At some point, a teacher needs the paycheck threatened somehow. Sad, but all too true. The way to do that in my district is to "de-staff" someone from a school during the school year. That de-staffed faculty member then goes into a "pool" awaiting assignment, not to exceed six weeks, at which time the district itself assigns that teacher somewhere. But while in that pool, i. e. not actively teaching, that teacher DOES NOT GET PAID. Teachers emphatically *do not* want this to happen. And the union cannot do Jack Diddly about it, because in my state, it is illegal for teachers to strike. Yes, the carrot is a good tool. Unfortunately, the presence of the stick must also be made known. > Which is why we use StarOffice instead of just OO.org ... granted it > is only $80.00 for the entire district, but ... it is a paid product. > And I have had someone in the DOE actually ask me why they should be > interested in saving money since if they don't spend it, then their > 'power' is reduced on the next budget. No, it's not. You're able to spend it on training. Believe me, if you want a way to spend lots of money and thus keep your "power", that's an excellent way to accomplish that. Oh, and your people directly benefit as a result! Wow...what a concept.... --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 14:25:48 2008 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:25:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. Message-ID: Hello, I hope everyone is doing well. I got a call from one of the users of our lab that when they try to log in, they receive the message "GDM could not write your authorization file . This could mean that you are out of disk space or that your home directory could not be opened for writing . In any case it is not possible to login. Contact system administrator." This is true for any user who tries to log in. I was able to switch to a console and log and look around. "df" shows me that my entire LVM drive of 37 GB is full! I am shocked because the automated email that cron sends me on a daily basis showed, up until last week, that over 50% was free. Now it's all used. Spent some time using fancy find/ls/du commands and I was able to free up a couple of MB of space. But something doesn't add up. The sum total of all the files isn't 37 GB. I rebooted into single user, blew away tmp, emptied caches and trash files -- nothing is making a dent. /Var is taking up about 200 MB (I know that's a common culprit). What else could it be? Could the drives me reporting the wrong file, or are there other areas I should look in to remove files? Thank you. From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Feb 4 14:39:18 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:39:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1202135958.6663.305.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Be sure to run yum clean all to dump the update cache. If the error message is claiming a full /home dir (which is why users can't log in), so someone hosed the home dir by filling it up. for user in `ls -1 /home` do echo "$user `du -ks $user`" done will print a list of the space used by user in the /home folder. 37GB is a small drive system these days. It is usually a good idea to implement quotas on a multi-user system to prevent a user from blowing up the drive space. On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:25 -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > I hope everyone is doing well. > > I got a call from one of the users of our lab that when they try to > log in, they receive the message "GDM could not write your > authorization file . This could mean that you are out of disk space or > that your home directory could not be opened for writing . In any case > it is not possible to login. Contact system administrator." This is > true for any user who tries to log in. > > I was able to switch to a console and log and look around. "df" shows > me that my entire LVM drive of 37 GB is full! I am shocked because > the automated email that cron sends me on a daily basis showed, up > until last week, that over 50% was free. Now it's all used. > > Spent some time using fancy find/ls/du commands and I was able to free > up a couple of MB of space. But something doesn't add up. The sum > total of all the files isn't 37 GB. I rebooted into single user, blew > away tmp, emptied caches and trash files -- nothing is making a dent. > /Var is taking up about 200 MB (I know that's a common culprit). > > What else could it be? Could the drives me reporting the wrong file, > or are there other areas I should look in to remove files? > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From monteslu at cox.net Mon Feb 4 15:56:53 2008 From: monteslu at cox.net (monteslu at cox.net) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 7:56:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: <47A4D994.7010801@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20080204105653.SV0UR.196158.root@fed1wml20> I think the original question here deserves some consideration. Sure most kids these days have no problem logging in and remembering passwords but auto-login could be helpful for kids that are young enough to still be learning the alphabet. The school I volunteer for is pre-k through 8th. There are four year olds that we have using the lab. Why shouldn't something like the thin client manager be able to log in and out a group of machines? Luis ---- "\"Terrell Prud? Jr.\"" wrote: > James P. Kinney III wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 16:18 -0800, Hung Phan wrote: > > > >> WOL is something we are working on too for the lab but the current > >> issue is to send the login credential to 40 remote systems. The > >> teacher wants to log into 40 systems at the beginning of every testing > >> period to save time. We accomplish something like this on the Mac by > >> scripting but not sure about Linux. May be someone have a better > >> solution? We are open to all solution: open source, script, or > >> commercial. > >> > >> > > > > At the risk of sounding like a jerk, why are the teachers incapable of > > instructing the students on how to log into the machines. It takes all > > of 15 seconds and is a valuable part of the learning process. I've seen > > first graders happily logging into their own account using a username > > and password. I've also seen teachers unable to access their email > > because they can't remember to look at the caps-lock key. > > > > > > > > Gotta agree there. Remember, folks, kids today are growing up with > computers the same way that my generation grew up with televisions and > VCR's. Even the youngest of schoolchildren today have no problem > putting in a username and password. > > > If the teachers can't make that work just setup the machines for > > autologin and do a wake on LAN startup. Now they are always running and > > ready for use by anyone who sits down. > > > > If the schools are going to be able to effectively use this tremendous > > technology upgrade to Linux thin clients (or Linux at all) the > > technologists who make it happen have to raise the bar on the knowledge > > expectations of the teachers. The kids will generally be running circles > > around the teachers in a week on new tech in the classroom. The teachers > > MUST step up and gain at the barest minimum a functional foundation of > > computers. Linux systems are extremely powerful tools and training of > > teachers of good practices and habits is mandatory. > > > > It never ceases to amaze me how teachers preen themselves with their > pedigrees, but then will nearly-violently refuse to learn to use a new > tool, claiming, "waaah, it's too hard!" Then their "uneducated" kids > walk up to it and use it with aplomb.... > > Case in point. Just last month I popped a 12-year-old kid in front of a > CentOS 5 box. He had never even *heard* of Linux or GNU before. Within > seconds, he had Firefox up and was otherwise moving around the computer > like there was nothing to it. > > Here's another: I know a high school kid whose English teacher was > getting all upset and bent out of shape because "THE COMPUTER'S NOT > WORKING!" She was all set to take this up the chain of command. Well, > without saying a word, this kid walked up to the computer, pressed the > button marked "POWER", and the computer magically started working. Did > she thank him? Nope. On the contrary, she gave him what he described > to me as a most baleful, nearly hateful, look. Right then, he lost all > respect for her, and I don't blame him. > > --TP From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 18:53:36 2008 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:53:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. In-Reply-To: <1202135958.6663.305.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1202135958.6663.305.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: Hello, > Be sure to run yum clean all to dump the update cache. Done - made negligible impact (df still reports 100% used) > If the error message is claiming a full /home dir (which is why users > can't log in), so someone hosed the home dir by filling it up. > > for user in `ls -1 /home` > do > echo "$user `du -ks $user`" > done > > will print a list of the space used by user in the /home folder. Thank you for that. I am not very good with such scripts so I used du --max-depth=1 -h in /home to give me the listing for everyone. The biggest user we have is using 400 MB. You are right that 37 GB is small nowadays. When we originally purchased the drives (37x2 SCSI drives in a hardware RAID mirror configuration) it was the most we could afford. However, we only have 12 computers, and a total userbase of 25 students, so it has been more that sufficient for several years. I also backup and wipe it at the end of every school year for a fresh install. Are there any other possibilities? Thank you. From nils at breun.nl Mon Feb 4 19:28:45 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:28:45 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. In-Reply-To: References: <1202135958.6663.305.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4D06A6BE-906A-4E2F-A079-2C8CE109E837@breun.nl> Op 4 feb 2008, om 19:53 heeft Joseph Bishay het volgende geschreven: > Hello, > >> Be sure to run yum clean all to dump the update cache. > > Done - made negligible impact (df still reports 100% used) > >> If the error message is claiming a full /home dir (which is why >> users >> can't log in), so someone hosed the home dir by filling it up. >> >> for user in `ls -1 /home` >> do >> echo "$user `du -ks $user`" >> done >> >> will print a list of the space used by user in the /home folder. > > Thank you for that. I am not very good with such scripts so I used du > --max-depth=1 -h in /home to give me the listing for everyone. The > biggest user we have is using 400 MB. You are right that 37 GB is > small nowadays. When we originally purchased the drives (37x2 SCSI > drives in a hardware RAID mirror configuration) it was the most we > could afford. However, we only have 12 computers, and a total > userbase of 25 students, so it has been more that sufficient for > several years. I also backup and wipe it at the end of every school > year for a fresh install. > > Are there any other possibilities? Just start at the root of the filesystem and run a du command to list the largest dirs. cd into the large dirs that you want to check out and repeat until you find something abnormal. You could use something like 'du --max-depth=1 | sort --reverse --numeric-sort | head' to generate a listing of the top 10 most space-consuming directories. A small example: # cd / # du --max-depth=1 --exclude=. | sort -r -n | head 16260343 . 13656262 ./var 1241192 ./usr 925626 ./proc 232868 ./root 81944 ./lib 51096 ./opt 27536 ./tmp 16428 ./sbin 15332 ./etc (./var is the largest, so first we check there...) # cd var # du --max-depth=1 | sort -r -n | head Etcetera. Nils Breunese. From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 19:48:57 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:48:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. In-Reply-To: References: <1202135958.6663.305.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: Maybe this is a dumb idea, but what about a bunch of core files that got created from a crashing application? Like OO.o or Firefox? Only ask because I once did a patch and then ended up with a lot of them when the apps started crashing. Mine had names like core.xxyyzz If it is the issue a simple use of the find command can locate them? e.g. find / -name 'core*' -print Dave Hopkins From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Feb 4 19:55:13 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:55:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. In-Reply-To: References: <1202135958.6663.305.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <20080204195347.M8643@winonacotter.org> > Are there any other possibilities? Could part of the problem be that du is being run as a non-privileged user so it can't dig as deep as it needs to in order to find files? Maybe a sudo su is in order before running the commands? Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Mon Feb 4 20:06:15 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:06:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. In-Reply-To: References: <1202135958.6663.305.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <47A77037.2060306@futuresource.com> Joseph Bishay wrote: > Thank you for that. I am not very good with such scripts so I used du > --max-depth=1 -h in /home to give me the listing for everyone. The > biggest user we have is using 400 MB. You are right that 37 GB is > small nowadays. When we originally purchased the drives (37x2 SCSI > drives in a hardware RAID mirror configuration) it was the most we > could afford. However, we only have 12 computers, and a total > userbase of 25 students, so it has been more that sufficient for > several years. I also backup and wipe it at the end of every school > year for a fresh install. > > Are there any other possibilities? I thought you said you rebooted in an earlier email, but if you haven't it is possible for a process to open a file and remove it's name while it is still open. In this case, the process can still access the data in the open file and the space is not released until the last process closes it. Killing the process with the open file (which obviously happens if you reboot) will fix that. Another possibility is that you have file system corruption that needs to be fixed with fsck. This should be done with the file system unmounted so the easiest way might be to use the -F option to shutdown to force the fsck run at bootup. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 22:47:57 2008 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:47:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. In-Reply-To: <20080204195347.M8643@winonacotter.org> References: <1202135958.6663.305.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20080204195347.M8643@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Hello, I ran the command as root in single user mode, so it was able to drill down all the way. The numbers didn't seem to add up. Joseph On Feb 4, 2008 2:55 PM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Are there any other possibilities? > > Could part of the problem be that du is being run as a non-privileged user so it can't > dig as deep as it needs to in order to find files? Maybe a sudo su is in order before > running the commands? > > Jim > From steven at simplycircus.com Mon Feb 4 22:40:47 2008 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:40:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I assume that /home is on its own partition? Go grab a cheep 100GB external drive, format it ext2 or anything else that will preserve your permissions and then move all of home over to that. Blow out /home and see how much space that frees up, and how much space is on that drive. Then you can move a user at a times directory back, and likely find the issue. _____ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Joseph Bishay > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:54 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. > > > Hello, > > > Be sure to run yum clean all to dump the update cache. > > Done - made negligible impact (df still reports 100% used) > > > If the error message is claiming a full /home dir (which is why users > > can't log in), so someone hosed the home dir by filling it up. > > > > for user in `ls -1 /home` > > do > > echo "$user `du -ks $user`" > > done > > > > will print a list of the space used by user in the /home folder. > > Thank you for that. I am not very good with such scripts so I used du > --max-depth=1 -h in /home to give me the listing for everyone. The > biggest user we have is using 400 MB. You are right that 37 GB is > small nowadays. When we originally purchased the drives (37x2 SCSI > drives in a hardware RAID mirror configuration) it was the most we > could afford. However, we only have 12 computers, and a total > userbase of 25 students, so it has been more that sufficient for > several years. I also backup and wipe it at the end of every school > year for a fresh install. > > Are there any other possibilities? > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 22:56:52 2008 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:56:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. In-Reply-To: <47A77037.2060306@futuresource.com> References: <1202135958.6663.305.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <47A77037.2060306@futuresource.com> Message-ID: Hello, > I thought you said you rebooted in an earlier email, but if you haven't > it is possible for a process to open a file and remove it's name while > it is still open. You are correct - I first rebooted the system to see if it would resolve the issue (Hey, I come from a windows background -- rebooting solves everything!). When that didn't work I rebooted again into single user mode and cleaned stuff up and rebooted back into runlevel 5 - still not working. > have file system corruption that needs to be fixed with fsck. This > should be done with the file system unmounted so the easiest way might > be to use the -F option to shutdown to force the fsck run at bootup. I was thinking I needed to boot into knoppix or something to do that -- I"m glad there is an easiery way! Do I just run 'shutdown -F' to force it to check? (sorry, silly question I'm sure -- I've just lost a server trying to run fsck improperly). Thank you Joseph From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Mon Feb 4 23:00:32 2008 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:00:32 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] php - automatically opening up an rtf file in a browser Message-ID: I have this code that worked in WIndows and I tried to modify it for Linux and it isn't working. It basically takes an existing rtf file and replaces the text with something else and I'd like the rtf to load up within the browser. In Windows, a popup window comes up and it has an option to open an rtf file like Word or WordPad. For Linux some of the students are getting Firefox as the only opetion and others are getting Bluefish as the only option. No one is getting OpenOffice. Is there an easy way to fix this? Do I have to change something in my httpd.conf file? Here is the code: $name = $_POST['html_name']; if(!$name) echo "Error"; else { //generate headers for the browswer to choose //the correct application header('Content-Type: application/rtf'); header('Content-Type: inline, filename=something.rtf'); //get the file $filename = "example.rtf"; $output = file_get_contents($filename); //replace items $output = str_replace('<>', $name, $output); //send the generated document to the browser echo $output; } ?> _________________________________________________________________ From onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 4 23:52:35 2008 From: onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca (Onatawahtaw) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:52:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Programming for multi-language support In-Reply-To: <1200028102.23915.7.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <204020.62233.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings, I am working on some open source language teaching software. Currently it is English to Cree instruction. I am looking at ways to easily allow other languages to be implemented. Currently, configuration files consist of text, pictures, and audio. I would like to be able to move the text and audio out of the configuration files into language specific folders/files. Then I would create variables in the configuration file that indicates it is getting the information from an external file. In theory this could work fine. However, the problem I am running into is that not all concepts carry over easily. For example, I can create a configuration file to teach the four seasons, and have a clickable imagemap that display the four seasons. Teaching this concept would work fine when going between English, French, Spanish, German, etc. However, Cree has 6 seasons: Fall, Winter, Spring, Summer, as well as Freezeup and Thaw. I can foresee similar problems in many other languages with other concepts. Is there a simple solution to this problem? Thanks, -Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From nelsda at yahoo.com Tue Feb 5 00:03:35 2008 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:03:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Mass remote login to computer lab systems In-Reply-To: <47A61DBB.1070401@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <371585.29774.qm@web32607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: <> > What our two examples indicate is an ego problem, > specifically the > end-user's ego problem. This is particularly > compounded when those end > users are accustomed to flaunting their "advanced > degrees" all around > trying to show us how smart they're supposed to be. > > What I haven't yet figured out yet is how to get > such people to be > willing to learn the tool, like kids do. This is > one of our biggest > roadblocks to furthering K12LTSP and Free Software > in general. Ideas, > anyone? > > --TP Ego is definitely one of the big issues. It seems that those with low self esteem use their degrees to measure their value. This just makes things worse. The same issues come into play when talking about teaching techniques. Those who are comfortable with who they are are more open to learning anything, whether it be about how to improve their teaching or learning to use a computer. Unfortunately, many use the lack of computer know-how much the way society uses the lack math know-how. It is sociably acceptable to not be very good at it and do nothing about it. In teachers' defense, however, we are inundated with regulation, work load, training to keep current, education fads (will this one just blow by too?), a classroom full of students who are at varying developmental stages, and many more things in addition to making several hundred to several thousand split second decisions throughout the day, each of which, may have long term unwanted consequences. I have heard that being a teacher is only second to an air traffic controller when it comes to stress level. I contend, however, that learning the basics of how computers work will lighten a teacher's load but many teachers don't see that. This is along the lines of "Don't teach Word, teach wordprocessing." I also have seen where some computer support people don't really understand what teachers have to do. So it does go both ways. I'm speaking from the stand point of having been a teacher for 19 years and being in the computer tech role for 14 of those 19 years. The teachers who learned the fastest were the ones who would take just 10min each day to "play" with something new on the computer, who wrote down the steps to do something when I went over it with them, and finally those who asked the most questions. David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1328 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From tfrichtel at socal.rr.com Tue Feb 5 08:25:28 2008 From: tfrichtel at socal.rr.com (Tim Frichtel) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:25:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: OSS in Education and Linux Expo this weekend in LA Message-ID: <47A81D78.5090600@socal.rr.com> If you are going to be in Los Angeles this weekend, we'd love to see you at the Southern California Linux Expo. http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/ This is the 6th year for this all-volunteer run OSS show. This year we're adding a day of Education related presentations on Friday. http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale6x/conference-info/open-source-software-in-education/ One of our speakers will cover LTSP/Edubuntu. We'll be using K12LTSP to power part of our "Try It Lab" where expo attendees can attend informal classes on Inkscape, GIMP, OO.org, and more. Students and Teachers (with ID) get a 50% discount by entering "EDU08" or "STDNT" respectively. https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/reg6/ Tim Frichtel From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Tue Feb 5 15:56:01 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:56:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice keyboard shortcut - document specific Message-ID: <47A88711.7020703@biochemfluidics.com> I learned the other day how to make a keyboard shortcut in OpenOffice. However, that shortcut becomes a property of the user and it'll work in every file--that's not what I want. I created a macro in a spreadsheet and I need to be able to call that macro with a keyboard shortcut, but I don't want to have to configure every client individually. 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Woolfork Ave. Donalsonville, GA 39845 229.524.5235 Ext. 227 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Feb 5 19:04:57 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:04:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Impress Problem In-Reply-To: <46834.10.10.100.1.1202232364.squirrel@mail.seminole.k12.ga.us> References: <46834.10.10.100.1.1202232364.squirrel@mail.seminole.k12.ga.us> Message-ID: <47A85EF8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Are your users using their own accounts? Are they opening the same file from the same place or are they opening their own copies from their home directories? Makes a difference. . . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> "Ronnie Miller" 2/5/2008 11:26 AM >>> I'm having an issue with Impress in my LTSP labs. Whenever more than one student uses Impress to create and/or edit a presentation, everything's fine. But, whenever more than 1 user tries to run the slide show, only the first one runs. All the others abort out of Impress. Is this normal? Or, is there a setting or configuration issue that I'm missing? As always, any and all help is most appreciated. -- Ronnie Miller Technology Specialist Seminole County Schools 800 S. Woolfork Ave. Donalsonville, GA 39845 229.524.5235 Ext. 227 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 5 21:03:47 2008 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:03:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. Message-ID: <544290.72259.qm@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> > The biggest user we have is using 400 MB. You are > right that 37 GB is small nowadays. When we > originally purchased the drives (37x2 SCSI drives in > a hardware RAID mirror configuration) it was the > most we could afford. However, we only have 12 > computers, and a total userbase of 25 students, so > it has been more that sufficient for several years. > I also backup and wipe it at the end of every school > year for a fresh install. Are there any other > possibilities? After horrible problems with "out of space" for several years, we now have situation that totally takes care of itself. (Hooray!) We average less than 10MB per student, even including some digital photography classes and a bunch of students that graduated. And we don't even do anything. We did several things that each helped a little. First, we automatically notified a student whenever their space usage got "too high". Second, whenever a student stored .MP3s (which are "large"), we automatically notified them they might be in violation of a copyright. And third, we figured out how to enable and use "quotas" in Linux to keep the lid on a situation so it couldn't get totally out of hand. (Our "quota" setting is more than a dozen times higher than typical actual use; it's a distant threat rather than a constant presence.) Just one thing made much of the difference! That was implementing the "recycle" feature (a "VFS" addon) of Samba that puts a "network trash can" in each directory. As part of the implementation we set up automatic emptying of the trash -- any file in the trash that hasn't been touched in 30 days gets deleted. (We use the `find` command which execs `rm` as needed.) Now our disk space takes care of itself. We don't allocate hardly any mindshare to it any more, all we do is a `df` once every couple months to make sure nothing has gone wrong causing the disk to get full. And if our students are typical, you should have _plenty_ of space on your disk. thanks! -Chuck Kollars ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us Tue Feb 5 21:26:43 2008 From: rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us (Ronnie Miller) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:26:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? Message-ID: <45609.10.10.100.1.1202246803.squirrel@mail.seminole.k12.ga.us> I've recently (this week) started having issues with Sabayon not working. I just finished building a new server and had everything almost ready, but when I got ready to build my profile in Sabayon, it wouldn't work. I've installed Sabayon and the sabayon-apply part and can even run the "User Profile Editor" program. The problem occurs when I try to edit an existing profile or create a new one. Sabayon acts like it's doing something then nothing - no edit screen or anything. The "User Profile Editor" dialog box just sits there. I also tried it on an older, existing server that I had used it before on - same thing. When I click on "Details" that screen pops up fine, it's just the actual edit screen that never appears. I'm confused... -- Ronnie Miller Technology Specialist Seminole County Schools 800 S. Woolfork Ave. Donalsonville, GA 39845 229.524.5235 Ext. 227 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From kenneth.lundstrom at nudata.fi Tue Feb 5 22:18:30 2008 From: kenneth.lundstrom at nudata.fi (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kenneth_Lundstr=F6m?=) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:18:30 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Keyboard and Mouse Message-ID: <47A8E0B6.3060602@nudata.fi> Hello everyone! In december I asked about getting an ThinkPad R61 to boot as an client. After many sleepless nights I finally got it to work, all except USB keyboard and mouse. Where should I start looking for errors? Kenneth Lundstr?m From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 02:32:33 2008 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:02:33 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Keyboard and Mouse In-Reply-To: <47A8E0B6.3060602@nudata.fi> References: <47A8E0B6.3060602@nudata.fi> Message-ID: <774593a20802051832h324253dbpe01c317c6c865b74@mail.gmail.com> On 06/02/2008, Kenneth Lundstr?m wrote: > Hello everyone! > > In december I asked about getting an ThinkPad R61 to boot as an client. > After many sleepless nights I finally got it to work, all except USB > keyboard and mouse. > > Where should I start looking for errors? run "tail -f /var/log/messages" in a terminal and watch if any messages are displayed when you plug in or plug out the USB device. If you then the messages will indicate what device etc. If not may be you need some modules to be loaded. Normally on k12 distro USB keyboard work by default. What booting parameters you have set? If you have set "acpi=off" or something similar then also sometimes USB detection goes to dogs. I had a USB phone cable which did not get recognized. So in my HP Tx1000 I had to set the following boot time options to get USB device recognition working: noapic nolapic irqfixup I got tips from http://www.kellyandsopho.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=LinuxOnHpPaviliontx1000z#Mirroring_the_Drive HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Wed Feb 6 15:27:35 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:27:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone quantified savings using LTSP? In-Reply-To: <47A0B21F.3010109@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20080127192518.GA6919@hank.org> <1201669529.6663.80.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <47A0B21F.3010109@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <47A9D1E7.70201@biochemfluidics.com> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > James P. Kinney III wrote: >>> Of course, it's not that hard to come up with donated PCs, so that's a >>> bigger savings. >>> >> >> Old PC's are the way to get the thin client process _started_. The are >> large, hot, heavy and often come with the old CRT monitor. All power >> hogs. >> > > I have to disagree somewhat here. Old PC's actually don't use much > juice at all if you just pull the hard disks (the power cable to the HD > is sufficient) and use LCD screens with them. CRT's are going to suck > power whether you hook them up to a new Northtec-style thin client or an > old PC. > > We once got a bunch of donated 15" LCD screens at one school, and they > got put into a lab full of Dell OptiPlex GX1's. Once I flashed the > BIOSes to the latest revision (took 5 minutes per box), things went > smoothly as wet ice...and saved a nice wad of cash, too. > I recently did some power measurements of various types of computer equipment. I'm attaching an ods spreadsheet, but I'm not sure if the list will block it or not. I found that old P2 or P3 machines used about 30 Watts or so (idle) when used as a thin client. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. 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On the Fedora Wiki, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList , there is a list of features planned on being included in FC9. K12LTSP is on that list, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/K12Linux . Does that mean that there will be no more K12LTSP releases and that all K12LTSP development will be done in Fedora? Chris ----- Original Message ---- From: Eric Harrison To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 10:30:17 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP? On 12/27/07, monteslu at cox.net wrote: > Eric Harrison, any chance we can get an official comment on the state of things? > > I'm sure you're a busy guy, and I very much appreciate the years of work you've put into the project. > > I've been using K12LTSP for a several years, but had to switch to edubuntu this past summer. > I'd switch back to fedora in a heartbeat if it had solid LTSP5 support. Here is the official state of the union: 1) The fundamental flaw with K12LTSP is that is has mostly been me doing the grunt work. This is probably obvious, I'm stating it just to make sure that it is. 2) Point #1 has burned me out. This is probably obvious, I'm stating it just to make sure that it is. 3) I've been working long and hard, mostly behind the scenes, to fix #1 and #2. Unless you are paying really close attention, that is probably not obvious. 4) As part of #3, I personally helped to spec out the first version of Edubuntu and have attended about half of the Ubuntu Developer Summits. I've done my best to make friends with the fine folks at skolelinux, debian-edu, revolution linux, and anyone who is a "competitor" to K12LTSP. I've preached to the choir about how much we all have in common and how important it is that we all work together. These are not our competitors, these are our bothers-in-arms.... 5) I've been swamped with personal & work stuff and it has been hard to carve out large tracks of time to do K12LTSP work. Building and testing new K12LTSP releases takes huge amounts of time. Hence K12LTSP versions 5.1EL, 7 & 8 are still sitting in the "testing" directory. 6) If you are a Fedora hacker, you may have noticed the LTSP5 packages trickling into the Fedora repositories. Hopes are that F9 will have fully-functional LTSP5 support. >From a purely optimistic point-of-view, I hope that the FUDcon will result in fully-functional LTSP5 packages for F8. 7) This weekend I will be at the Fedora FUDcon (see points #1-4, 6). If you happen to make it to North Carolina this weekend, come and help us do some hacking. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Wed Feb 6 22:41:34 2008 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:41:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? In-Reply-To: <45609.10.10.100.1.1202246803.squirrel@mail.seminole.k12.ga.us> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ronnie Miller > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:27 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? > > I've recently (this week) started having issues with Sabayon > not working. > I just finished building a new server and had everything > almost ready, but when I got ready to build my profile in > Sabayon, it wouldn't work. I've installed Sabayon and the > sabayon-apply part and can even run the "User Profile Editor" > program. The problem occurs when I try to edit an existing > profile or create a new one. Sabayon acts like it's doing > something then nothing - no edit screen or anything. The > "User Profile Editor" dialog box just sits there. > > I also tried it on an older, existing server that I had used > it before on > - same thing. When I click on "Details" that screen pops up > fine, it's just the actual edit screen that never appears. > I'm confused... > > > -- > Ronnie Miller > Technology Specialist > Seminole County Schools > 800 S. Woolfork Ave. > Donalsonville, GA 39845 > 229.524.5235 Ext. 227 > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous > content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Exactly the issue I'm having. Try running sabayon through a terminal and see what it prints out when you try to edit. This is what I get. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/profilesdialog.py", line 342, in __edit_button_clicked session.start () File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/profilesdialog.py", line 129, in start self.temp_homedir = protosession.setup_shell_and_homedir (self.username) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/protosession.py", line 60, in setup_shell_and_homedir temp_homedir = usermod.create_temporary_homedir (pw.pw_uid, pw.pw_gid) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 64, in create_temporary_homedir copy_tree (SKEL_HOMEDIR, temp_homedir, uid, gid) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 58, in copy_tree copy_tree (src_path, dst_path, uid, gid) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 58, in copy_tree copy_tree (src_path, dst_path, uid, gid) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 62, in copy_tree os.chown (dst_path, uid, gid) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/tmp/sabayon-temp-home-NwwxrC/.wine/dosdevices/c:' I've downloaded the newest version from the website, but I'm having issues getting it to build. All the dependencies are beyond FC6, and I really don't want to have to install EL5 right now. I had more issues getting everything to work in EL5 last time and went back to FC6, that was July of 07 though. Is there an older version of Sabayon that might work on FC6 still? Levi From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 13:18:22 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:18:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? In-Reply-To: References: <45609.10.10.100.1.1202246803.squirrel@mail.seminole.k12.ga.us> Message-ID: I am running EL5 and Sabayon (latest version) is not working properly. Just my two cents on this. Dave Hopkins On Feb 6, 2008 5:41 PM, Kemp, Levi wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ronnie Miller > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:27 PM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? > > > > I've recently (this week) started having issues with Sabayon > > not working. > > I just finished building a new server and had everything > > almost ready, but when I got ready to build my profile in > > Sabayon, it wouldn't work. I've installed Sabayon and the > > sabayon-apply part and can even run the "User Profile Editor" > > program. The problem occurs when I try to edit an existing > > profile or create a new one. Sabayon acts like it's doing > > something then nothing - no edit screen or anything. The > > "User Profile Editor" dialog box just sits there. > > > > I also tried it on an older, existing server that I had used > > it before on > > - same thing. When I click on "Details" that screen pops up > > fine, it's just the actual edit screen that never appears. > > I'm confused... > > > > > > -- > > Ronnie Miller > > Technology Specialist > > Seminole County Schools > > 800 S. Woolfork Ave. > > Donalsonville, GA 39845 > > 229.524.5235 Ext. 227 > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous > > content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > Exactly the issue I'm having. Try running sabayon through a terminal and > see what it prints out when you try to edit. This is what I get. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/profilesdialog.py", > line 342, in __edit_button_clicked > session.start () > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/profilesdialog.py", > line 129, in start > self.temp_homedir = protosession.setup_shell_and_homedir > (self.username) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/protosession.py", line > 60, in setup_shell_and_homedir > temp_homedir = usermod.create_temporary_homedir (pw.pw_uid, > pw.pw_gid) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 64, > in create_temporary_homedir > copy_tree (SKEL_HOMEDIR, temp_homedir, uid, gid) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 58, > in copy_tree > copy_tree (src_path, dst_path, uid, gid) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 58, > in copy_tree > copy_tree (src_path, dst_path, uid, gid) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 62, > in copy_tree > os.chown (dst_path, uid, gid) > OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/tmp/sabayon-temp-home-NwwxrC/.wine/dosdevices/c:' > > I've downloaded the newest version from the website, but I'm having > issues getting it to build. All the dependencies are beyond FC6, and I > really don't want to have to install EL5 right now. I had more issues > getting everything to work in EL5 last time and went back to FC6, that > was July of 07 though. Is there an older version of Sabayon that might > work on FC6 still? > > Levi > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jomonto at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 16:38:46 2008 From: jomonto at gmail.com (John Montoya) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:38:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up Writer and Shared docs Message-ID: Hi Everyone- K12ltsp version 6 Two issues: First: The lab teacher wants clip art for the students to use in Writer. So I located the open clip art source and installed it. I opened Writer on the server, created a new theme (pointing to the new folder of clip art) - and it works fine on the server - except the students can not see the new theme. Is there a method for sharing the clip art so all students will be able to see and use it? Second: The same lab teacher purchased a teaching manual for OpenOffice. The book has assignments that students are to complete. There are corresponding documents that you are able to download from this company (which we have). So another similar "file sharing" issue. I have one set of assignment files, that need to be distributed to each student's workstation for completion. So do I have to copy the folder 30 times to each home directory? (I can't imagine so....). ... and one more little thing- I noticed that when you lock the server (ie: log out as what ever user you were) it takes you back to a Fedora login screen (which is good - for all intent, the server is locked) - but I also noticed at the bottom of the screen, "Language / Session / Restart / Shut Down" - I thought... those functions couldn't possibly be usable... ummmmm - I was wrong, they are. - So I'm guessing it's only a matter of time before one of the students is messing around at the teachers desk (where the server lives) - and just shuts down the server. Is there a way to disable all these functions - or a way to really lock the server (after you log out)?? Thanks for your time & help, john From nils at breun.nl Thu Feb 7 17:13:21 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:13:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up Writer and Shared docs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John Montoya wrote: > Second: > The same lab teacher purchased a teaching manual for OpenOffice. The > book has assignments that students are to complete. There are > corresponding documents that you are able to download from this > company (which we have). > So another similar "file sharing" issue. I have one set of assignment > files, that need to be distributed to each student's workstation for > completion. So do I have to copy the folder 30 times to each home > directory? (I can't imagine so....). Create a directory that is readable by all students. > ... and one more little thing- > > I noticed that when you lock the server (ie: log out as what ever user > you were) it takes you back to a Fedora login screen (which is good - > for all intent, the server is locked) - but I also noticed at the > bottom of the screen, "Language / Session / Restart / Shut Down" - I > thought... those functions couldn't possibly be usable... ummmmm - I > was wrong, they are. - So I'm guessing it's only a matter of > time before one of the students is messing around at the teachers desk > (where the server lives) - and just shuts down the server. Is there a > way to disable all these functions - or a way to really lock the > server (after you log out)?? I believe you can change this in the login configuration, but I don't have a FC6 machine handy, so I can't tell you what the exact menu item is called. It's probably somewhere in the Administration section. You can also open up a terminal and run 'gdmsetup'. Or if you're comfortable in a terminal, just make sure you set 'SystemMenu = false' in the [greeter] section of /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf (this is the same as running gdmsetup and changing the option there). Also check out chapter 4 'Locking Down the Desktop: Disabling GNOME Desktop Features' of the Red Hat Desktop Deployment Guide for some more ideas: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/desktop-guide/ Of course, if the server is physically in the class room a student can always just unplug the power cord. :o) Nils Breunese. From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Thu Feb 7 20:11:50 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:11:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up Writer and Shared docs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47AB6606.2040604@biochemfluidics.com> John Montoya wrote: > Hi Everyone- > > K12ltsp version 6 > > Two issues: > > First: > The lab teacher wants clip art for the students to use in Writer. So I > located the open clip art source and installed it. I opened Writer on > the server, created a new theme (pointing to the new folder of clip > art) - and it works fine on the server - except the students can not > see the new theme. Is there a method for sharing the clip art so all > students will be able to see and use it? > You probably created a theme for whatever user you were logged in as. OpenOffice ssems to keep some of its system defaults in /usr/lib/OpenOffice-2.0 (on my system). I recently installed a system-wide macro by editing a file in /usr/lib/OpenOffice-2.0/share/basic -- don't ask me what I did, because I really don't remember... -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From julius at turtle.com Thu Feb 7 21:15:17 2008 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:15:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Eclipse for Centos Message-ID: Dear Folks, where should I point yum to install Eclipse on Centos 5 based K12 server? Thanks, julius From nils at breun.nl Thu Feb 7 22:38:58 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:38:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Eclipse for Centos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > where should I point yum to install Eclipse on Centos 5 based K12 > server? Eclipse is available in the default repositories. Type 'yum list eclipse*' to see what's available. A 'yum install eclipse-platform' should probably get you up and running. You can also search for eclipse using something like the yumex GUI if that's your thing. Nils Breunese. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Feb 8 02:38:50 2008 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:38:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! Message-ID: Recently I was able to purchase an interactive whiteboard called a ?SmartBoard? for our school. I have several more in the budget for next year, but this one gives us an opportunity to learn more about how to use one. I was excited to find out when I ordered it that it would be compatible with Linux, but I had my doubts. Often times manufacturers make claims to be compatible with Linux, but generally with a loss of features or a very difficult installation. I was a little nervous when I stuck in the CD to the drive on my Edubuntu desktop .and I couldn?t get the installer to execute. So I went to the web site and downloaded the installer from there. The installer was a breeze to work with! It?s an autopackage that simply asked me a couple yes or no questions and then VOILA! That was it! Suddenly the SmartBoard software launched and we were in business! The total install time took less than 2 minutes! Guess what else? Everything works! Every feature from the notebook software to the screen captures and more! I?m truly impressed! The folks at Smarttech have really taken a look at the future of Linux and FOSS in Education. Today was simply my first day all I got a chance to do was put it together, load the software and play around a little. I?m finding myself a bit excited to get to school tomorrow so I can really try things out. Just in the few chances I got to try it out today, I can really see how it will totally change the way I teach! I?m psyched! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Feb 8 02:59:36 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:59:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47ABC598.60005@paasda.org> SmartTechnologies I can't say enough good stuff about... they don't just sell you an "interactive whiteboard" and say thanks...now pay us up the wazoooo for software and all these trinkets... they GIVE you the software and I would argue it is INFINITELY(not an overstatement at all) better than ANYTHING Microsoft could GIVE AWAY(other than maybe their IP treasure trovel that they horde to stifle innovation [/end rant]) I have MATH teachers, ENGLISH teachers, SPANISH teachers, HEALTH & P.E. teachers and COACHES excited about all of the stuff they can do with the SOFTWARE(not just the board...as the board is merely a peripheral to the computer like a keyboard & mouse)...but the SOFTWARE really is amazing and the #1 focus is education... The mere fact that they support Linux(something I and likely many others encouraged them to do since I got MY 1st Smartboard back when I taught 6yrs ago) Macs and MS platforms to the same degree and level of excellence really tells me, yes they need to make a profit, but they actually CARE about their users and those they are affecting with education on a daily basis. --Huck David Trask wrote: > Recently I was able to purchase an interactive whiteboard called a > ?SmartBoard? for our school. I have several more in the budget for next > year, but this one gives us an opportunity to learn more about how to use > one. I was excited to find out when I ordered it that it would be > compatible with Linux, but I had my doubts. Often times manufacturers > make claims to be compatible with Linux, but generally with a loss of > features or a very difficult installation. I was a little nervous when I > stuck in the CD to the drive on my Edubuntu desktop?.and I couldn?t get > the installer to execute. So?I went to the web site and downloaded the > installer from there. The installer was a breeze to work with! It?s an > autopackage that simply asked me a couple yes or no questions?and then > VOILA! That was it! Suddenly the SmartBoard software launched and we > were in business! The total install time took less than 2 minutes! Guess > what else? Everything works! Every feature from the notebook software to > the screen captures and more! I?m truly impressed! The folks at > Smarttech have really taken a look at the future of Linux and FOSS in > Education. Today was simply my first day?all I got a chance to do was put > it together, load the software and play around a little. I?m finding > myself a bit excited to get to school tomorrow so I can really try things > out. Just in the few chances I got to try it out today, I can really see > how it will totally change the way I teach! I?m psyched! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 03:51:42 2008 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 22:51:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92de6c880802071951p33ee258djf033f62e012690d2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 9:38 PM, David Trask wrote: > Recently I was able to purchase an interactive whiteboard called a > "SmartBoard" for our school. I have several more in the budget for next > year, but this one gives us an opportunity to learn more about how to use > one. I was excited to find out when I ordered it that it would be > compatible with Linux, but I had my doubts. Often times manufacturers > make claims to be compatible with Linux, but generally with a loss of > features or a very difficult installation. I was a little nervous when I > stuck in the CD to the drive on my Edubuntu desktop?.and I couldn't get > the installer to execute. So?I went to the web site and downloaded the > installer from there. The installer was a breeze to work with! It's an > autopackage that simply asked me a couple yes or no questions?and then > VOILA! That was it! Suddenly the SmartBoard software launched and we > were in business! The total install time took less than 2 minutes! Guess > what else? Everything works! Every feature from the notebook software to > the screen captures and more! I'm truly impressed! Do you know if they're using Wine or is this a native (GTK?) port? --Tom From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Feb 8 04:29:43 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:29:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone quantified savings using LTSP? In-Reply-To: <47A9D1E7.70201@biochemfluidics.com> References: <20080127192518.GA6919@hank.org> <1201669529.6663.80.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <47A0B21F.3010109@cmosnetworks.com> <47A9D1E7.70201@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <47ABDAB7.1070306@cmosnetworks.com> Rob Owens wrote: > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> James P. Kinney III wrote: >>>> Of course, it's not that hard to come up with donated PCs, so that's a >>>> bigger savings. >>>> >>> >>> Old PC's are the way to get the thin client process _started_. The are >>> large, hot, heavy and often come with the old CRT monitor. All power >>> hogs. >>> >> >> I have to disagree somewhat here. Old PC's actually don't use much >> juice at all if you just pull the hard disks (the power cable to the >> HD is sufficient) and use LCD screens with them. CRT's are going to >> suck power whether you hook them up to a new Northtec-style thin >> client or an old PC. >> We once got a bunch of donated 15" LCD screens at one school, and >> they got put into a lab full of Dell OptiPlex GX1's. Once I flashed >> the BIOSes to the latest revision (took 5 minutes per box), things >> went smoothly as wet ice...and saved a nice wad of cash, too. >> > I recently did some power measurements of various types of computer > equipment. I'm attaching an ods spreadsheet, but I'm not sure if the > list will block it or not. I found that old P2 or P3 machines used > about 30 Watts or so (idle) when used as a thin client. > > -Rob Looks like it came through OK. Good, thorough analysis, Rob. Your measurements are similar to mine for old PC's. I got 29W usage with a Dell OptiPlex GX1, with (IIRC) a Pentium II-266MHz, HD disconnected. That is compared to my Athlon 2GHz which will suck up as much as 150W if I run it full-tilt (I had the HD doing a lot of work, too). I hadn't tried a thin client, since I don't own one, but the power usage figures that you're showing for those are impressive. I guess it comes down to a cost-benefit analysis of power saved over the expected remaining life of the old PC's whether you go w/ new thin clients or old PC's. --TP From vceder at canterburyschool.org Fri Feb 8 05:28:25 2008 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:28:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! In-Reply-To: <92de6c880802071951p33ee258djf033f62e012690d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de6c880802071951p33ee258djf033f62e012690d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47ABE879.2000106@canterburyschool.org> The Linux versions we've used have all been Java-based. To make the install self-contained, they even packaged a JVM in the installer package. I'm not sure, but I think the Mac version may be Java as well. But like the man says, it the Linux version works well and has all of the functionality of the Windows version. Cheers, Vern Tom Hoffman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 9:38 PM, David Trask wrote: >> Recently I was able to purchase an interactive whiteboard called a >> "SmartBoard" for our school. I have several more in the budget for next >> year, but this one gives us an opportunity to learn more about how to use >> one. I was excited to find out when I ordered it that it would be >> compatible with Linux, but I had my doubts. Often times manufacturers >> make claims to be compatible with Linux, but generally with a loss of >> features or a very difficult installation. I was a little nervous when I >> stuck in the CD to the drive on my Edubuntu desktop?.and I couldn't get >> the installer to execute. So?I went to the web site and downloaded the >> installer from there. The installer was a breeze to work with! It's an >> autopackage that simply asked me a couple yes or no questions?and then >> VOILA! That was it! Suddenly the SmartBoard software launched and we >> were in business! The total install time took less than 2 minutes! Guess >> what else? Everything works! Every feature from the notebook software to >> the screen captures and more! I'm truly impressed! > > Do you know if they're using Wine or is this a native (GTK?) port? > > --Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Fri Feb 8 12:23:23 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:23:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone quantified savings using LTSP? In-Reply-To: <47ABDAB7.1070306@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20080127192518.GA6919@hank.org> <1201669529.6663.80.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <47A0B21F.3010109@cmosnetworks.com> <47A9D1E7.70201@biochemfluidics.com> <47ABDAB7.1070306@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <47AC49BB.1080504@biochemfluidics.com> Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: >> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >>> James P. Kinney III wrote: >>>>> Of course, it's not that hard to come up with donated PCs, so that's a >>>>> bigger savings. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Old PC's are the way to get the thin client process _started_. The are >>>> large, hot, heavy and often come with the old CRT monitor. All power >>>> hogs. >>>> >>> >>> I have to disagree somewhat here. Old PC's actually don't use much >>> juice at all if you just pull the hard disks (the power cable to the >>> HD is sufficient) and use LCD screens with them. CRT's are going to >>> suck power whether you hook them up to a new Northtec-style thin >>> client or an old PC. >>> We once got a bunch of donated 15" LCD screens at one school, and >>> they got put into a lab full of Dell OptiPlex GX1's. Once I flashed >>> the BIOSes to the latest revision (took 5 minutes per box), things >>> went smoothly as wet ice...and saved a nice wad of cash, too. >>> >> I recently did some power measurements of various types of computer >> equipment. I'm attaching an ods spreadsheet, but I'm not sure if the >> list will block it or not. I found that old P2 or P3 machines used >> about 30 Watts or so (idle) when used as a thin client. >> >> -Rob > > Looks like it came through OK. > Good, thorough analysis, Rob. Your measurements are similar to mine for > old PC's. I got 29W usage with a Dell OptiPlex GX1, with (IIRC) a > Pentium II-266MHz, HD disconnected. That is compared to my Athlon 2GHz My P2 had about 4 PCI cards installed, so that might make the difference. > which will suck up as much as 150W if I run it full-tilt (I had the HD > doing a lot of work, too). I hadn't tried a thin client, since I don't > own one, but the power usage figures that you're showing for those are > impressive. > > I guess it comes down to a cost-benefit analysis of power saved over the > expected remaining life of the old PC's whether you go w/ new thin > clients or old PC's. > Don't forget that it can also come down to appearance! I've found that people are typically more impressed with a tiny thin client than an old P2 acting as a thin client. I guess for some people judging something visually comes more naturally than judging by performance... For one of my installations it came down to space constraints. I needed thins client that would mount on the back of an LCD monitor because there was nowhere else to put them. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Fri Feb 8 13:33:31 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:33:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! In-Reply-To: <47ABE879.2000106@canterburyschool.org> References: <92de6c880802071951p33ee258djf033f62e012690d2@mail.gmail.com> <47ABE879.2000106@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: <1202477611.6663.433.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> I have yet to see anything done with a smartboard benefiting the educational process that can't be done more broadly and actively with Linux thin clients and a collaborative workspace like fl_teachertool. In my mind, smartboards developed from the business culture of doing boring presentations that needed to be recorded so the presenter could justify their inflated paycheck. The board makers have not been able to sell them into business as well and they hoped once the bean counters realized the overall uselessness of the technology. So they branched into education which has a horrid reputation of buying nearly any techno-jejaw gizmo in an attempt to improve things. At NECC last year the smartboard makers booths were the biggest, loudest, gaudiest, most over the top showboat monstrosities in the entire floor. We have laws to protect children against predators. We need something to protect educators from these shows! :) The money spent on a smartboard buys an activity for a single person at a time while the others sit passively. This is the same failure mode that was in place with filmstrips, movies and EDU TV. The technology is changing but the practice is nearly identical. The streaming video junk from UnitedStreaming is just filmstrips done on a more expensive player (that school can't keep due to licensing ). For the same cost of a single smartboard, multiple Linux thin clients can be installed in the classroom. Imagine the learning that can happen when students can actively participate in doing things instead of being a passive observer. Yes, the technology is slick. Yes it is cool to be able to write on a whiteboard with a special marker and have the computer projector "draw" it on the board and record it for later viewing. But that passive process for the others in the room is only barely usable for the adults that suffer through those types of presentations in the boardroom meetings. I don't like even the whiteboards and their stinky markers that run out and smell bad and get thrown away. I can _eat_ a stick of chalk if I have too (Rolaids) and a reusable holder is just fine. Besides, the S_C_R_E_E_C_H across the board is a useful tool for the snoozer on the back row :) On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 00:28 -0500, Vern Ceder wrote: > The Linux versions we've used have all been Java-based. To make the > install self-contained, they even packaged a JVM in the installer > package. I'm not sure, but I think the Mac version may be Java as well. > > But like the man says, it the Linux version works well and has all of > the functionality of the Windows version. > > Cheers, > Vern > > Tom Hoffman wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 9:38 PM, David Trask wrote: > >> Recently I was able to purchase an interactive whiteboard called a > >> "SmartBoard" for our school. I have several more in the budget for next > >> year, but this one gives us an opportunity to learn more about how to use > >> one. I was excited to find out when I ordered it that it would be > >> compatible with Linux, but I had my doubts. Often times manufacturers > >> make claims to be compatible with Linux, but generally with a loss of > >> features or a very difficult installation. I was a little nervous when I > >> stuck in the CD to the drive on my Edubuntu desktop?.and I couldn't get > >> the installer to execute. So?I went to the web site and downloaded the > >> installer from there. The installer was a breeze to work with! It's an > >> autopackage that simply asked me a couple yes or no questions?and then > >> VOILA! That was it! Suddenly the SmartBoard software launched and we > >> were in business! The total install time took less than 2 minutes! Guess > >> what else? Everything works! Every feature from the notebook software to > >> the screen captures and more! I'm truly impressed! > > > > Do you know if they're using Wine or is this a native (GTK?) port? > > > > --Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- > This time for sure! > -Bullwinkle J. Moose > ----------------------------- > Vern Ceder, Director of Technology > Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 > vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 13:44:19 2008 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:44:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! In-Reply-To: <47ABE879.2000106@canterburyschool.org> References: <92de6c880802071951p33ee258djf033f62e012690d2@mail.gmail.com> <47ABE879.2000106@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: <92de6c880802080544w77ce29fbp7ad2df4768af3f36@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 8, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Vern Ceder wrote: > The Linux versions we've used have all been Java-based. To make the > install self-contained, they even packaged a JVM in the installer > package. I'm not sure, but I think the Mac version may be Java as well. Oh yeah, Java. Forgot about the power of "write once, run everywhere." ;-) --Tom From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 8 14:21:04 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:21:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP Message-ID: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> I acquired a laptop at work that was donated by some company and I would like to try the EL5 (that the current version?) of K12LTSP on it. The problem is, there is no floppy drive and it has a battery in the CD slot and I don't have a CD-ROM that will fit in there and connect up. (crappy Dell with the caddy thing). Is there a way to install EL on it from the web or something? It currently has WindersXP on it. That is outta here if I can get EL on it. Any ideas? One option would be to pull the drive and put it in another computer and do the install and then put it back in the original. What caveats will I run into with this method? Thanks for the help! Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us From matrimble at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 14:26:57 2008 From: matrimble at gmail.com (Mark Trimble) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:26:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! In-Reply-To: <1202477611.6663.433.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <92de6c880802071951p33ee258djf033f62e012690d2@mail.gmail.com> <47ABE879.2000106@canterburyschool.org> <1202477611.6663.433.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <17b895960802080626o71d02cf8v69afe7ce10a08766@mail.gmail.com> While I am also not personally enamored of smartboards for my own use, I have seen them used very effectively not just to record notes, but also as really slick way to actively demonstrate how to use a software application by projecting on it and calibrating the board to the screen being projected. It's pretty impressive when done well. For my part, I've for several years now been an advocate of tablet pc's. Paired with a projector, a small, lightweight tablet pc equipped with both wireless Internet and (wireless) video capabilities is the ultimate teaching tool. Unfortunately, for now this has left me turning back to M$ (at least for the teacher's computer). Could anyone point me to a device/distro combo in Linux that can provide tablet pc-like functionality? It would be especially cool if such a device were available as a lightweight, solid state, thin client tablet. Cheers, Mark On 2/8/08, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > I have yet to see anything done with a smartboard benefiting the > educational process that can't be done more broadly and actively with > Linux thin clients and a collaborative workspace like fl_teachertool. > > In my mind, smartboards developed from the business culture of doing > boring presentations that needed to be recorded so the presenter could > justify their inflated paycheck. The board makers have not been able to > sell them into business as well and they hoped once the bean counters > realized the overall uselessness of the technology. > > So they branched into education which has a horrid reputation of buying > nearly any techno-jejaw gizmo in an attempt to improve things. At NECC > last year the smartboard makers booths were the biggest, loudest, > gaudiest, most over the top showboat monstrosities in the entire floor. > We have laws to protect children against predators. We need something to > protect educators from these shows! :) > > The money spent on a smartboard buys an activity for a single person at > a time while the others sit passively. This is the same failure mode > that was in place with filmstrips, movies and EDU TV. The technology is > changing but the practice is nearly identical. The streaming video junk > from UnitedStreaming is just filmstrips done on a more expensive player > (that school can't keep due to licensing ). > > For the same cost of a single smartboard, multiple Linux thin clients > can be installed in the classroom. Imagine the learning that can happen > when students can actively participate in doing things instead of being > a passive observer. > > Yes, the technology is slick. Yes it is cool to be able to write on a > whiteboard with a special marker and have the computer projector "draw" > it on the board and record it for later viewing. But that passive > process for the others in the room is only barely usable for the adults > that suffer through those types of presentations in the boardroom > meetings. > > I don't like even the whiteboards and their stinky markers that run out > and smell bad and get thrown away. I can _eat_ a stick of chalk if I > have too (Rolaids) and a reusable holder is just fine. Besides, the > S_C_R_E_E_C_H across the board is a useful tool for the snoozer on the > back row :) > On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 00:28 -0500, Vern Ceder wrote: > > The Linux versions we've used have all been Java-based. To make the > > install self-contained, they even packaged a JVM in the installer > > package. I'm not sure, but I think the Mac version may be Java as well. > > > > But like the man says, it the Linux version works well and has all of > > the functionality of the Windows version. > > > > Cheers, > > Vern > > > > Tom Hoffman wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 9:38 PM, David Trask > wrote: > > >> Recently I was able to purchase an interactive whiteboard called a > > >> "SmartBoard" for our school. I have several more in the budget for > next > > >> year, but this one gives us an opportunity to learn more about how > to use > > >> one. I was excited to find out when I ordered it that it would be > > >> compatible with Linux, but I had my doubts. Often times > manufacturers > > >> make claims to be compatible with Linux, but generally with a loss > of > > >> features or a very difficult installation. I was a little nervous > when I > > >> stuck in the CD to the drive on my Edubuntu desktop?.and I couldn't > get > > >> the installer to execute. So?I went to the web site and downloaded > the > > >> installer from there. The installer was a breeze to work > with! It's an > > >> autopackage that simply asked me a couple yes or no questions?and > then > > >> VOILA! That was it! Suddenly the SmartBoard software launched and > we > > >> were in business! The total install time took less than 2 > minutes! Guess > > >> what else? Everything works! Every feature from the notebook > software to > > >> the screen captures and more! I'm truly impressed! > > > > > > Do you know if they're using Wine or is this a native (GTK?) port? > > > > > > --Tom > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > -- > > This time for sure! > > -Bullwinkle J. Moose > > ----------------------------- > > Vern Ceder, Director of Technology > > Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 > > vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > -- > James P. Kinney III > CEO & Director of Engineering > Local Net Solutions,LLC > 770-493-8244 > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pwelte at nashville-k12.org Fri Feb 8 14:51:52 2008 From: pwelte at nashville-k12.org (Paul Welte) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:51:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! In-Reply-To: <1202477611.6663.433.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <92de6c880802071951p33ee258djf033f62e012690d2@mail.gmail.com> <47ABE879.2000106@canterburyschool.org> <1202477611.6663.433.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <47AC6C88.90901@nashville-k12.org> If the SmartBoard is simply being used as the display surface for a projector, then I agree with your comments. However, the Smartboard provides soooo much more. There is an unlimited number of ways to use a SmartBoard to foster a sense of enthusiasm and engagement that does not normally occur. The Smarttech website has an entire area devoted to creating lesson plans and projects. When used properly, especially at the grade school level, a SmartBoard system provides a huge level of engagement with a small amount of order/distraction. A group of students gathered around a SmartBoard and actively identifying the subject matter by pointing to and touching the board has increased participation and excitement with the subject material. When used properly, these devices foster at least the same amount of active participation as a thin client and they don't require as much support or space. James P. Kinney III wrote: > I have yet to see anything done with a smartboard benefiting the > educational process that can't be done more broadly and actively with > Linux thin clients and a collaborative workspace like fl_teachertool. > > > The money spent on a smartboard buys an activity for a single person at > a time while the others sit passively. This is the same failure mode > that was in place with filmstrips, movies and EDU TV. The technology is > changing but the practice is nearly identical. The streaming video junk > from UnitedStreaming is just filmstrips done on a more expensive player > (that school can't keep due to licensing ). > > For the same cost of a single smartboard, multiple Linux thin clients > can be installed in the classroom. Imagine the learning that can happen > when students can actively participate in doing things instead of being > a passive observer. > From nick.hadgis at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 15:04:07 2008 From: nick.hadgis at gmail.com (Nick Hadgis) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:04:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 8, 2008 6:21 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > I acquired a laptop at work that was donated by some company and I would > like to try the EL5 (that the current version?) of K12LTSP on it. > > The problem is, there is no floppy drive and it has a battery in the CD > slot and I don't have a CD-ROM that will fit in there and connect up. > (crappy Dell with the caddy thing). > > Is there a way to install EL on it from the web or something? It currently > has WindersXP on it. That is outta here if I can get EL on it. > > Any ideas? > > One option would be to pull the drive and put it in another computer and > do the install and then put it back in the original. What caveats will I run > into with this method? I've done this with CentOS4, and if I recall correctly, without any major issues. There could be an issue with the network card, it might grab the MAC address of your "install" laptop, then when you put the disk in your laptop, the MAC addresses will not match and networking might not work right "out the box." The fix is pretty straight forward. This is what I would do. If your laptop can PXE boot,. you could perform the installation completely over the network, search for Kickstart +linux ...your laptop can boot essentially the same way a thin client does, except grab an installation image instead of the thin client image. Check this out for a guide: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/s1-kickstart2-putkickstarthere.html A kickstart installation would be a lot of overhead for 1 Laptop. -Nick > > > Thanks for the help! > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 15:04:09 2008 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:04:09 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! In-Reply-To: <47AC6C88.90901@nashville-k12.org> References: <92de6c880802071951p33ee258djf033f62e012690d2@mail.gmail.com> <47ABE879.2000106@canterburyschool.org> <1202477611.6663.433.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <47AC6C88.90901@nashville-k12.org> Message-ID: I have a SmartBoard in my classroom. I'm glad to hear that I can now use it with Linux. Currently its broken, so I can't but I did find it very useful when I taught lessons in Windows. However students at the back of the room had problems seeing the board. Now that I use fl_teachertool that's no longer a problem and I try to use Linux as much as possible because of fl_teachertool (along with many other reasons).> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:51:52 -0600> From: pwelte at nashville-k12.org> To: k12osn at redhat.com> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed!> > If the SmartBoard is simply being used as the display surface for a > projector, then I agree with your comments. However, the Smartboard > provides soooo much more. There is an unlimited number of ways to use a > SmartBoard to foster a sense of enthusiasm and engagement that does not > normally occur. The Smarttech website has an entire area devoted to > creating lesson plans and projects.> > When used properly, especially at the grade school level, a SmartBoard > system provides a huge level of engagement with a small amount of > order/distraction. A group of students gathered around a SmartBoard and > actively identifying the subject matter by pointing to and touching the > board has increased participation and excitement with the subject > material. When used properly, these devices foster at least the same > amount of active participation as a thin client and they don't require > as much support or space.> > > > James P. Kinney III wrote:> > I have yet to see anything done with a smartboard benefiting the> > educational process that can't be done more broadly and actively with> > Linux thin clients and a collaborative workspace like fl_teachertool.> >> >> > The money spent on a smartboard buys an activity for a single person at> > a time while the others sit passively. This is the same failure mode> > that was in place with filmstrips, movies and EDU TV. The technology is> > changing but the practice is nearly identical. The streaming video junk> > from UnitedStreaming is just filmstrips done on a more expensive player> > (that school can't keep due to licensing ). > >> > For the same cost of a single smartboard, multiple Linux thin clients> > can be installed in the classroom. Imagine the learning that can happen> > when students can actively participate in doing things instead of being> > a passive observer.> > > > _______________________________________________> K12OSN mailing list> K12OSN at redhat.com> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn> For more info see _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 8 15:17:03 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:17:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> I do not want to use the laptop as a thin client. . . I want to demo the K12LTSP EL5 *server* on it. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> "Nick Hadgis" 2/8/2008 9:04 AM >>> On Feb 8, 2008 6:21 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > I acquired a laptop at work that was donated by some company and I would > like to try the EL5 (that the current version?) of K12LTSP on it. > > The problem is, there is no floppy drive and it has a battery in the CD > slot and I don't have a CD-ROM that will fit in there and connect up. > (crappy Dell with the caddy thing). > > Is there a way to install EL on it from the web or something? It currently > has WindersXP on it. That is outta here if I can get EL on it. > > Any ideas? > > One option would be to pull the drive and put it in another computer and > do the install and then put it back in the original. What caveats will I run > into with this method? I've done this with CentOS4, and if I recall correctly, without any major issues. There could be an issue with the network card, it might grab the MAC address of your "install" laptop, then when you put the disk in your laptop, the MAC addresses will not match and networking might not work right "out the box." The fix is pretty straight forward. This is what I would do. If your laptop can PXE boot,. you could perform the installation completely over the network, search for Kickstart +linux ...your laptop can boot essentially the same way a thin client does, except grab an installation image instead of the thin client image. Check this out for a guide: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/s1-kickstart2-putkickstarthere.html A kickstart installation would be a lot of overhead for 1 Laptop. -Nick > > > Thanks for the help! > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sgonzalez at sau83.org Fri Feb 8 15:19:06 2008 From: sgonzalez at sau83.org (Sonja Gonzalez) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:19:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <28048032.4221202483946192.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> We have one SmartBoard and the teacher that uses it swears by it. The functionality is so much more than a white board, and the collaboration that she gets with her students is huge. Dave, I applaud your success in getting these budgeted. I am not as successful so I'm looking at the Wiimote project. If you don't know what it is, here's a link: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/ Does anyone know if there's been any success at porting it to Linux? And has anyone compared its functionality to the SmartBoard's? I saw this YouTube video by a consultant http://youtube.com/watch?v=BSDxc2kFjms who assessed the difference but I don't know if he's tried all the extras that SmartBoard offers in the form of software and lesson plans. I'm still having trouble getting the Wiimote to connect via bluetooth (to Windows) so I haven't actually gotten one working, but if I do, it promises an interactive whiteboard for about $50 (assuming you have the computer and projector already.) Interested in any thoughts on this. sonja _______________________________ Sonja Gonzalez Director of Technology Ellis School 432 Main Street Fremont, NH 03044 603.895.2511 x603 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jones yeates" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Friday, February 8, 2008 10:04:09 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! I have a SmartBoard in my classroom. I'm glad to hear that I can now use it with Linux. Currently its broken, so I can't but I did find it very useful when I taught lessons in Windows. However students at the back of the room had problems seeing the board. Now that I use fl_teachertool that's no longer a problem and I try to use Linux as much as possible because of fl_teachertool (along with many other reasons). > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:51:52 -0600 > From: pwelte at nashville-k12.org > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! > > If the SmartBoard is simply being used as the display surface for a > projector, then I agree with your comments. However, the Smartboard > provides soooo much more. There is an unlimited number of ways to use a > SmartBoard to foster a sense of enthusiasm and engagement that does not > normally occur. The Smarttech website has an entire area devoted to > creating lesson plans and projects. > > When used properly, especially at the grade school level, a SmartBoard > system provides a huge level of engagement with a small amount of > order/distraction. A group of students gathered around a SmartBoard and > actively identifying the subject matter by pointing to and touching the > board has increased participation and excitement with the subject > material. When used properly, these devices foster at least the same > amount of active participation as a thin client and they don't require > as much support or space. > > > > James P. Kinney III wrote: > > I have yet to see anything done with a smartboard benefiting the > > educational process that can't be done more broadly and actively with > > Linux thin clients and a collaborative workspace like fl_teachertool. > > > > > > The money spent on a smartboard buys an activity for a single person at > > a time while the others sit passively. This is the same failure mode > > that was in place with filmstrips, movies and EDU TV. The technology is > > changing but the practice is nearly identical. The streaming video junk > > from UnitedStreaming is just filmstrips done on a more expensive player > > (that school can't keep due to licensing ). > > > > For the same cost of a single smartboard, multiple Linux thin clients > > can be installed in the classroom. Imagine the learning that can happen > > when students can actively participate in doing things instead of being > > a passive observer. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Fri Feb 8 15:20:25 2008 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:20:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: What he is saying though is that you can use the same concept. Instead of sending the thin client a session though, you are actually sending the installer. Levi > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Doug Simpson > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:17 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP > > I do not want to use the laptop as a thin client. . . I want > to demo the K12LTSP EL5 *server* on it. > > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > >>> "Nick Hadgis" 2/8/2008 9:04 AM >>> > On Feb 8, 2008 6:21 AM, Doug Simpson > wrote: > > > I acquired a laptop at work that was donated by some company and I > > would like to try the EL5 (that the current version?) of > K12LTSP on it. > > > > The problem is, there is no floppy drive and it has a > battery in the > > CD slot and I don't have a CD-ROM that will fit in there > and connect up. > > (crappy Dell with the caddy thing). > > > > Is there a way to install EL on it from the web or something? It > > currently has WindersXP on it. That is outta here if I can > get EL on it. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > One option would be to pull the drive and put it in another > computer > > and do the install and then put it back in the original. > What caveats > > will I run into with this method? > > > I've done this with CentOS4, and if I recall correctly, > without any major issues. There could be an issue with the > network card, it might grab the MAC address of your "install" > laptop, then when you put the disk in your laptop, the MAC > addresses will not match and networking might not work right > "out the box." The fix is pretty straight forward. This is > what I would do. > > If your laptop can PXE boot,. you could perform the > installation completely over the network, search for > Kickstart +linux ...your laptop can boot essentially the same > way a thin client does, except grab an installation image > instead of the thin client image. Check this out for a guide: > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom > -guide/s1-kickstart2-putkickstarthere.html > > A kickstart installation would be a lot of overhead for 1 Laptop. > > -Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the help! > > > > Doug > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > De Queen Public Schools > > De Queen, AR > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 8 15:23:42 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:23:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <47AC1F9D.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> OK. . . I looked at the kickstart stuff and that is just crazy! May end up trying it if can't find another way. . . Think I will try the hard-drive in another computer thing first. . . Thanks for the help everyone! Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> "Kemp, Levi" 2/8/2008 9:20 AM >>> What he is saying though is that you can use the same concept. Instead of sending the thin client a session though, you are actually sending the installer. Levi > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Doug Simpson > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:17 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP > > I do not want to use the laptop as a thin client. . . I want > to demo the K12LTSP EL5 *server* on it. > > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > >>> "Nick Hadgis" 2/8/2008 9:04 AM >>> > On Feb 8, 2008 6:21 AM, Doug Simpson > wrote: > > > I acquired a laptop at work that was donated by some company and I > > would like to try the EL5 (that the current version?) of > K12LTSP on it. > > > > The problem is, there is no floppy drive and it has a > battery in the > > CD slot and I don't have a CD-ROM that will fit in there > and connect up. > > (crappy Dell with the caddy thing). > > > > Is there a way to install EL on it from the web or something? It > > currently has WindersXP on it. That is outta here if I can > get EL on it. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > One option would be to pull the drive and put it in another > computer > > and do the install and then put it back in the original. > What caveats > > will I run into with this method? > > > I've done this with CentOS4, and if I recall correctly, > without any major issues. There could be an issue with the > network card, it might grab the MAC address of your "install" > laptop, then when you put the disk in your laptop, the MAC > addresses will not match and networking might not work right > "out the box." The fix is pretty straight forward. This is > what I would do. > > If your laptop can PXE boot,. you could perform the > installation completely over the network, search for > Kickstart +linux ...your laptop can boot essentially the same > way a thin client does, except grab an installation image > instead of the thin client image. Check this out for a guide: > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom > -guide/s1-kickstart2-putkickstarthere.html > > A kickstart installation would be a lot of overhead for 1 Laptop. > > -Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the help! > > > > Doug > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > De Queen Public Schools > > De Queen, AR > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From likuidkewl at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 15:26:16 2008 From: likuidkewl at gmail.com (Dan) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:26:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 8, 2008 10:17 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > I do not want to use the laptop as a thin client. . . I want to demo the K12LTSP EL5 *server* on it. I would suggest checking your notebook's compatibility with booting from a USB device, ie. external dvd. Or use PXE as stated, although USB dvd is much easier and less time consuming for only one machine. As for installing on a different system and then swapping drives, just make sure you are using a similar enough machine(same architecture mainly). -- Dan Maranville From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 8 15:29:40 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:29:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47AC2104.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Thanks for the input! I hadn't thought about using a USB hard drive. . . If I get the DVD ISO, how would I put it on the device so it will boot from it? I know if you just copy the ISO, it won't boot from it. Thanks! Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Dan 2/8/2008 9:26 AM >>> On Feb 8, 2008 10:17 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > I do not want to use the laptop as a thin client. . . I want to demo the K12LTSP EL5 *server* on it. I would suggest checking your notebook's compatibility with booting from a USB device, ie. external dvd. Or use PXE as stated, although USB dvd is much easier and less time consuming for only one machine. As for installing on a different system and then swapping drives, just make sure you are using a similar enough machine(same architecture mainly). -- Dan Maranville _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 8 15:30:33 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:30:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> WAIT After re-reading. . . it said to use a USB external DVD. . . I have one of those. . . think that would work with the CD version as well? I have CD's already for the cd version. . . Thanks! Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Dan 2/8/2008 9:26 AM >>> On Feb 8, 2008 10:17 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > I do not want to use the laptop as a thin client. . . I want to demo the K12LTSP EL5 *server* on it. I would suggest checking your notebook's compatibility with booting from a USB device, ie. external dvd. Or use PXE as stated, although USB dvd is much easier and less time consuming for only one machine. As for installing on a different system and then swapping drives, just make sure you are using a similar enough machine(same architecture mainly). -- Dan Maranville _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From likuidkewl at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 15:35:22 2008 From: likuidkewl at gmail.com (Dan) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:35:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <56f8d0620802080735v49acaa7cw8122102a9b346969@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 8, 2008 10:30 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > WAIT After re-reading. . . it said to use a USB external DVD. . . I have one of those. . . think that would work with the CD version as well? I have CD's already for the cd version. . . > Should work just the same. Also you may want to check out the Centos mailing list there is a discussion of PXE setups going on right now in case the Dell doesn't support the external USB booting. -- Dan Maranville From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 15:49:58 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:49:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560802080749u6e7e94a7w1516ef6e103c222e@mail.gmail.com> Please correct me If I'm wrong...but as of yet there is no flash integration with the Notebook software in Linux. That means that most of the gallery elements are useless. For elementary schools that's a big downer! :( However I have read that OpenOffice3 will play flash so if users create there own gallery content Notebook may become superfluous. OT: Has anyone tried the Wiimote whiteboard on a thin client? The Linux version isn't that stable last time I tried it but still it would be interesting to try on a client. Wonder if bluez would need to run local? Peter On Feb 7, 2008 9:38 PM, David Trask wrote: > Recently I was able to purchase an interactive whiteboard called a > "SmartBoard" for our school. I have several more in the budget for next > year, but this one gives us an opportunity to learn more about how to use > one. I was excited to find out when I ordered it that it would be > compatible with Linux, but I had my doubts. Often times manufacturers > make claims to be compatible with Linux, but generally with a loss of > features or a very difficult installation. I was a little nervous when I > stuck in the CD to the drive on my Edubuntu desktop?.and I couldn't get > the installer to execute. So?I went to the web site and downloaded the > installer from there. The installer was a breeze to work with! It's an > autopackage that simply asked me a couple yes or no questions?and then > VOILA! That was it! Suddenly the SmartBoard software launched and we > were in business! The total install time took less than 2 minutes! Guess > what else? Everything works! Every feature from the notebook software to > the screen captures and more! I'm truly impressed! The folks at > Smarttech have really taken a look at the future of Linux and FOSS in > Education. Today was simply my first day?all I got a chance to do was put > it together, load the software and play around a little. I'm finding > myself a bit excited to get to school tomorrow so I can really try things > out. Just in the few chances I got to try it out today, I can really see > how it will totally change the way I teach! I'm psyched! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tnelson at rockbochs.com Fri Feb 8 15:47:00 2008 From: tnelson at rockbochs.com (Tim Nelson) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:47:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Inexpensive Thin Client for Testing Message-ID: <6379972.151202485620822.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> Hello! I'm about to start testing a small K12LTSP installation and need a few thin clients for testing. I've been leaning towards the Neoware units that can be found cheaply on eBay. Are there certain models that are advisable over the others? Are the Neoware units usable? I appreciate any recommendations you can give. Thank you! --Tim From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 15:54:00 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:54:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! In-Reply-To: <28048032.4221202483946192.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> References: <28048032.4221202483946192.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560802080754g51b4530eg649f00351a84646e@mail.gmail.com> Yes Sonja, there is a Linux version. http://superspace-gemini.blogspot.com/2007/12/linux-electronic-whiteboard.html Peter 2008/2/8 Sonja Gonzalez : > We have one SmartBoard and the teacher that uses it swears by it. The > functionality is so much more than a white board, and the collaboration that > she gets with her students is huge. > > Dave, I applaud your success in getting these budgeted. I am not as > successful so I'm looking at the Wiimote project. If you don't know what it > is, here's a link: > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/ > > Does anyone know if there's been any success at porting it to Linux? And has > anyone compared its functionality to the SmartBoard's? I saw this YouTube > video by a consultant > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=BSDxc2kFjms > > who assessed the difference but I don't know if he's tried all the extras > that SmartBoard offers in the form of software and lesson plans. > > I'm still having trouble getting the Wiimote to connect via bluetooth (to > Windows) so I haven't actually gotten one working, but if I do, it promises > an interactive whiteboard for about $50 (assuming you have the computer and > projector already.) > > Interested in any thoughts on this. > > sonja > > _______________________________ > Sonja Gonzalez > Director of Technology > Ellis School > 432 Main Street > Fremont, NH 03044 > 603.895.2511 x603 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jones yeates" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > Sent: Friday, February 8, 2008 10:04:09 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! > > > I have a SmartBoard in my classroom. I'm glad to hear that I can now use > it with Linux. Currently its broken, so I can't but I did find it very > useful when I taught lessons in Windows. However students at the back of > the room had problems seeing the board. Now that I use fl_teachertool > that's no longer a problem and I try to use Linux as much as possible > because of fl_teachertool (along with many other reasons). > > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:51:52 -0600 > > From: pwelte at nashville-k12.org > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! > > > > If the SmartBoard is simply being used as the display surface for a > > projector, then I agree with your comments. However, the Smartboard > > provides soooo much more. There is an unlimited number of ways to use a > > SmartBoard to foster a sense of enthusiasm and engagement that does not > > normally occur. The Smarttech website has an entire area devoted to > > creating lesson plans and projects. > > > > When used properly, especially at the grade school level, a SmartBoard > > system provides a huge level of engagement with a small amount of > > order/distraction. A group of students gathered around a SmartBoard and > > actively identifying the subject matter by pointing to and touching the > > board has increased participation and excitement with the subject > > material. When used properly, these devices foster at least the same > > amount of active participation as a thin client and they don't require > > as much support or space. > > > > > > > > James P. Kinney III wrote: > > > I have yet to see anything done with a smartboard benefiting the > > > educational process that can't be done more broadly and actively with > > > Linux thin clients and a collaborative workspace like fl_teachertool. > > > > > > > > > The money spent on a smartboard buys an activity for a single person at > > > a time while the others sit passively. This is the same failure mode > > > that was in place with filmstrips, movies and EDU TV. The technology is > > > changing but the practice is nearly identical. The streaming video junk > > > from UnitedStreaming is just filmstrips done on a more expensive player > > > (that school can't keep due to licensing ). > > > > > > For the same cost of a single smartboard, multiple Linux thin clients > > > can be installed in the classroom. Imagine the learning that can happen > > > when students can actively participate in doing things instead of being > > > a passive observer. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 8 16:11:32 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:11:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <47AC7F34.7010600@futuresource.com> Doug Simpson wrote: > WAIT After re-reading. . . it said to use a USB external DVD. . . I have one of those. . . think that would work with the CD version as well? I have CD's already for the cd version. . . > If you can boot at all, you can put the cd iso images in an nfs-exported directory and do an nfs install. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 8 16:11:04 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:11:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AC7F34.7010600@futuresource.com> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us><47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47AC7F34.7010600@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <47AC2AB8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Please expand on this. . . I used to do installations of slackware that way, but never tried it with EL5 or even FC. . . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Les Mikesell 2/8/2008 10:11 AM >>> Doug Simpson wrote: > WAIT After re-reading. . . it said to use a USB external DVD. . . I have one of those. . . think that would work with the CD version as well? I have CD's already for the cd version. . . > If you can boot at all, you can put the cd iso images in an nfs-exported directory and do an nfs install. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 16:24:03 2008 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:24:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AC2AB8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47AC7F34.7010600@futuresource.com> <47AC2AB8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <69b790a80802080824v57d7f62fv6cf4e4773746adb1@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 8, 2008 8:11 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > Please expand on this. . . > I used to do installations of slackware that way, but never tried it with > EL5 or even FC. . . For redhat, when you have the boot prompt, type "linux askmethod". one of the options after you select language will be 'nfs' (or some such wording). You have to boot the install with the same version you have NFS. In other words, if you have both 32 bit and 64 bit ISO images, you have to boot with the 32 bit to use the 32 bit ISO files. the installer will prompt for the NFS server and path to the ISO files. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Roger 2/8/2008 10:24 AM >>> On Feb 8, 2008 8:11 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > Please expand on this. . . > I used to do installations of slackware that way, but never tried it with > EL5 or even FC. . . For redhat, when you have the boot prompt, type "linux askmethod". one of the options after you select language will be 'nfs' (or some such wording). You have to boot the install with the same version you have NFS. In other words, if you have both 32 bit and 64 bit ISO images, you have to boot with the 32 bit to use the 32 bit ISO files. the installer will prompt for the NFS server and path to the ISO files. From nils at breun.nl Fri Feb 8 16:37:21 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:37:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AC2E9E.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47AC7F34.7010600@futuresource.com> <47AC2AB8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <69b790a80802080824v57d7f62fv6cf4e4773746adb1@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2E9E.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <2637960A-E5A3-40EC-85D0-52699BF57174@breun.nl> Doug Simpson wrote: > SuuhhhWWEEETTTT!! I'll try that method! > > Just put the ISO files in the nfs-available directory? See the installation guides for more info on the various available installation methods: K12LTSP 5EL (CentOS 5): http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/5.1/Installation_Guide/ K12LTSP 6 (FC6): http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/fc6/en/ Nils Breunese. From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 16:37:47 2008 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:37:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AC2E9E.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47AC7F34.7010600@futuresource.com> <47AC2AB8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <69b790a80802080824v57d7f62fv6cf4e4773746adb1@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2E9E.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <69b790a80802080837g4c84e803od763cb6cd85748b8@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 8, 2008 8:27 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > SuuhhhWWEEETTTT!! I'll try that method! > > Just put the ISO files in the nfs-available directory? > > > yep. the first field is strictly the server, the second field is the path to the iso including the NFS exported path. if you have \\server\FILES exported, put server in the first field, and FILES\RHEL_32BIT\ in the second (assuming you have them in the RHEL_32BIT directory. I would have expected the server and NFS export to be on one line. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No floppy drive, no CD-ROM. . .etc. . . So there is no way to start linux askmethod on it. . . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Roger 2/8/2008 10:37 AM >>> On Feb 8, 2008 8:27 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > SuuhhhWWEEETTTT!! I'll try that method! > > Just put the ISO files in the nfs-available directory? > > > yep. the first field is strictly the server, the second field is the path to the iso including the NFS exported path. if you have \\server\FILES exported, put server in the first field, and FILES\RHEL_32BIT\ in the second (assuming you have them in the RHEL_32BIT directory. I would have expected the server and NFS export to be on one line. From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 8 16:50:08 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:50:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AC2E9E.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47AC7F34.7010600@futuresource.com> <47AC2AB8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <69b790a80802080824v57d7f62fv6cf4e4773746adb1@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2E9E.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <47AC8840.7080205@futuresource.com> Doug Simpson wrote: > SuuhhhWWEEETTTT!! I'll try that method! > > Just put the ISO files in the nfs-available directory? Yes - you can boot from either the first install CD with 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt, or you can make a usb boot disk with the diskboot.image drive or a CD from the boot.iso file in the images directory of the first install iso. There is also a pxe boot that probably wouldn't be hard to stick into a k12lsp setup using a MAC address to control the machine that gets it. Even if you have a local CD drive, the nfs install approach is much faster that having to swap in the CDs. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 16:47:28 2008 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:47:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AC31D2.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47AC7F34.7010600@futuresource.com> <47AC2AB8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <69b790a80802080824v57d7f62fv6cf4e4773746adb1@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2E9E.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <69b790a80802080837g4c84e803od763cb6cd85748b8@mail.gmail.com> <47AC31D2.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <69b790a80802080847v67407631xb0bec567fa0dea55@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 8, 2008 8:41 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > Yes, I already have an NFS server online. > > I will try this. . . > > But wait. . . I have no way to boot the laptop in the first place. . . > That was the original problem. No floppy drive, no CD-ROM. . .etc. . . > > So there is no way to start linux askmethod on it. . . > > time to fire up the old netboot server. :rolleyes: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ericbrow at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 16:49:26 2008 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:49:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Inexpensive Thin Client for Testing In-Reply-To: <6379972.151202485620822.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> References: <6379972.151202485620822.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> Message-ID: If you're really looking for cheap clients, get an older computer that you think is worthless. Ask around for some, I'm sure you'll find them. All you really need is a floppy or cd drive, it helps to have at least 64MB of ram, video card (4-8 MB will do), network card, and a processor that runs around 266Mhz or better. Get the universal netboot floppy (or cd), and boot. You can even use existing computers in conjunction with the netboot disk for testing purposes, just to show how it all works. When the demonstration is over, remove the netboot disk, and everything is back to normal. I wouldn't bother buying a thing until you decide this is the direction you want to go. Many of my clients meet the above description. We did piece out a bunch of dead machines and load 128 MB of ram for all my clients this last fall, and they work great. Good Luck, Eric On Feb 8, 2008 9:47 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: > Hello! I'm about to start testing a small K12LTSP installation and need a few thin clients for testing. I've been leaning towards the Neoware units that can be found cheaply on eBay. Are there certain models that are advisable over the others? Are the Neoware units usable? I appreciate any recommendations you can give. Thank you! > > --Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 8 16:57:25 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:57:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AC31D2.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47AC7F34.7010600@futuresource.com> <47AC2AB8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <69b790a80802080824v57d7f62fv6cf4e4773746adb1@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2E9E.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <69b790a80802080837g4c84e803od763cb6cd85748b8@mail.gmail.com> <47AC31D2.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <47AC89F5.1060203@futuresource.com> Doug Simpson wrote: > Yes, I already have an NFS server online. > > I will try this. . . > > But wait. . . I have no way to boot the laptop in the first place. . . That was the original problem. No floppy drive, no CD-ROM. . .etc. . . > > So there is no way to start linux askmethod on it. . . If it will boot from a usb flash drive and you have one, loopback-mount the first install CD and cd to its images directory. There's a bootdisk.img file there that you can copy to the USB drive with dd (note that this will wipe out anything else on it). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 8 16:58:24 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:58:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AC89F5.1060203@futuresource.com> References: <47AC10F0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <400d33020802080704r62b99f71q4aaf1a645eff677a@mail.gmail.com> <47AC1E0F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <56f8d0620802080726u551ecfbbgd0cd833752d45996@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2139.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47AC7F34.7010600@futuresource.com> <47AC2AB8.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <69b790a80802080824v57d7f62fv6cf4e4773746adb1@mail.gmail.com> <47AC2E9E.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <69b790a80802080837g4c84e803od763cb6cd85748b8@mail.gmail.com> <47AC31D2.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us><47AC31D2.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47AC89F5.1060203@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <47AC35D0.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> OK. . . I will see if it has USB boot ability and then get the image and try it. Thanks for everything everyone! Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Les Mikesell 2/8/2008 10:57 AM >>> Doug Simpson wrote: > Yes, I already have an NFS server online. > > I will try this. . . > > But wait. . . I have no way to boot the laptop in the first place. . . That was the original problem. No floppy drive, no CD-ROM. . .etc. . . > > So there is no way to start linux askmethod on it. . . If it will boot from a usb flash drive and you have one, loopback-mount the first install CD and cd to its images directory. There's a bootdisk.img file there that you can copy to the USB drive with dd (note that this will wipe out anything else on it). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 17:32:51 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:32:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Apache Message-ID: <9bd317560802080932y7f476dakb250a54599ad5f86@mail.gmail.com> Having a weird problem with apache on an new Centos 5.1 install. All of virtual domains resolve to the master document root instead of their own document root. As in /var/www/html instead of /var/www/html/webmail. If you type in domain.com/webmail it works. Has anyone come across this type of thing? Thanks, Peter From tnelson at rockbochs.com Fri Feb 8 17:28:58 2008 From: tnelson at rockbochs.com (Tim Nelson) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:28:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Inexpensive Thin Client for Testing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <15797367.271202491738987.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> I've been using PCs for testing already but would like to get a better feel for usage/power consumption/end-user experience with an actual thin client. Any hardware suggestions? --Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Brown" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Friday, February 8, 2008 10:49:26 AM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Inexpensive Thin Client for Testing If you're really looking for cheap clients, get an older computer that you think is worthless. Ask around for some, I'm sure you'll find them. All you really need is a floppy or cd drive, it helps to have at least 64MB of ram, video card (4-8 MB will do), network card, and a processor that runs around 266Mhz or better. Get the universal netboot floppy (or cd), and boot. You can even use existing computers in conjunction with the netboot disk for testing purposes, just to show how it all works. When the demonstration is over, remove the netboot disk, and everything is back to normal. I wouldn't bother buying a thing until you decide this is the direction you want to go. Many of my clients meet the above description. We did piece out a bunch of dead machines and load 128 MB of ram for all my clients this last fall, and they work great. Good Luck, Eric On Feb 8, 2008 9:47 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: > Hello! I'm about to start testing a small K12LTSP installation and need a few thin clients for testing. I've been leaning towards the Neoware units that can be found cheaply on eBay. Are there certain models that are advisable over the others? Are the Neoware units usable? I appreciate any recommendations you can give. Thank you! > > --Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Feb 8 17:42:58 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:42:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! In-Reply-To: <1202477611.6663.433.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <92de6c880802071951p33ee258djf033f62e012690d2@mail.gmail.com> <47ABE879.2000106@canterburyschool.org> <1202477611.6663.433.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <47AC94A2.8000502@paasda.org> James P. Kinney III wrote: > I have yet to see anything done with a smartboard benefiting the > educational process that can't be done more broadly and actively with > Linux thin clients and a collaborative workspace like fl_teachertool. Then you haven't seen students giving presentations utilizing the extensive toolsets in the smartboard software, and pulling OTHER students out of the classroom to assist them with their INTERACTIVE(being the key word) presentation to the entire class. rather than sitting at an isolated desk/computer terminal watching their screens as if they were on the sofa at home watching T.V. --Huck From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Feb 8 17:46:30 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:46:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] New SmartBoard and Edubuntu...I'm truly impressed! In-Reply-To: <28048032.4221202483946192.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> References: <28048032.4221202483946192.JavaMail.root@mail.sau83.org> Message-ID: <47AC9576.6040904@paasda.org> Sonja Gonzalez wrote: > > I'm still having trouble getting the Wiimote to connect via bluetooth > (to Windows) so I haven't actually gotten one working, but if I do, it > promises an interactive whiteboard for about $50 (assuming you have the > computer and projector already.) > > Interested in any thoughts on this. > > sonja Sonja, I've spend about 20 hours trying to get my Wiimote connected via bluetooth using the EXACT SAME drivers as explained on the site... zero luck..zero success.. but I'm used to Bluetooth 'just working' as it does on my Nokia N800 with my FrogPad(frogpad.com)... Hrmm...and that's something I haven't tried...pairing it with my N800...(but that's a Linux OS..oh well we'll see) --Huck From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Feb 8 17:48:43 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:48:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Inexpensive Thin Client for Testing In-Reply-To: <15797367.271202491738987.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> References: <15797367.271202491738987.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> Message-ID: <47AC95FB.70505@paasda.org> Neoware had a very inexpensive one...but they got bought out by HP...so probably the prices didn't go down or remain flat(as they aught)...I haven't checked though. the Jammin 125's are good too(disklessworkstations.org/com?) I might be wrong on the URL... --Huck Tim Nelson wrote: > I've been using PCs for testing already but would like to get a better feel for usage/power consumption/end-user experience with an actual thin client. Any hardware suggestions? > > --Tim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Brown" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > Sent: Friday, February 8, 2008 10:49:26 AM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Inexpensive Thin Client for Testing > > If you're really looking for cheap clients, get an older computer that > you think is worthless. Ask around for some, I'm sure you'll find > them. All you really need is a floppy or cd drive, it helps to have > at least 64MB of ram, video card (4-8 MB will do), network card, and a > processor that runs around 266Mhz or better. Get the universal > netboot floppy (or cd), and boot. You can even use existing computers > in conjunction with the netboot disk for testing purposes, just to > show how it all works. When the demonstration is over, remove the > netboot disk, and everything is back to normal. > > I wouldn't bother buying a thing until you decide this is the > direction you want to go. > > Many of my clients meet the above description. We did piece out a > bunch of dead machines and load 128 MB of ram for all my clients this > last fall, and they work great. > > Good Luck, > > Eric > > On Feb 8, 2008 9:47 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: >> Hello! I'm about to start testing a small K12LTSP installation and need a few thin clients for testing. I've been leaning towards the Neoware units that can be found cheaply on eBay. Are there certain models that are advisable over the others? Are the Neoware units usable? I appreciate any recommendations you can give. Thank you! >> >> --Tim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jmakoid at devonit.com Fri Feb 8 17:54:19 2008 From: jmakoid at devonit.com (Joe Makoid) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:54:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Inexpensive Thin Client for Testing In-Reply-To: <15797367.271202491738987.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> References: <15797367.271202491738987.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> Message-ID: Tim, I am the presdident of devon it we make these devices we have them as low as $139 We have many schools around the world that use them Julie Byrnes can help you out. There are other suppliers like Wyse and HP etc. They are all good products, we keep the cost low for schools Joe Makoid President Devon IT (a Devon International Group Company) "the Alternative Desktop Computing Company" 215-479-6152 Exec Asst. & Dir. Operations Rebecca Blair rblair at devonit.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Tim Nelson Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:29 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Inexpensive Thin Client for Testing I've been using PCs for testing already but would like to get a better feel for usage/power consumption/end-user experience with an actual thin client. Any hardware suggestions? --Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Brown" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Friday, February 8, 2008 10:49:26 AM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Inexpensive Thin Client for Testing If you're really looking for cheap clients, get an older computer that you think is worthless. Ask around for some, I'm sure you'll find them. All you really need is a floppy or cd drive, it helps to have at least 64MB of ram, video card (4-8 MB will do), network card, and a processor that runs around 266Mhz or better. Get the universal netboot floppy (or cd), and boot. You can even use existing computers in conjunction with the netboot disk for testing purposes, just to show how it all works. When the demonstration is over, remove the netboot disk, and everything is back to normal. I wouldn't bother buying a thing until you decide this is the direction you want to go. Many of my clients meet the above description. We did piece out a bunch of dead machines and load 128 MB of ram for all my clients this last fall, and they work great. Good Luck, Eric On Feb 8, 2008 9:47 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: > Hello! I'm about to start testing a small K12LTSP installation and need a few thin clients for testing. I've been leaning towards the Neoware units that can be found cheaply on eBay. Are there certain models that are advisable over the others? Are the Neoware units usable? I appreciate any recommendations you can give. Thank you! > > --Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 8 17:55:01 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:55:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Inexpensive Thin Client for Testing In-Reply-To: <6379972.151202485620822.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> References: <6379972.151202485620822.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> Message-ID: <20080208175330.M22302@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:47:00 -0600 (CST), Tim Nelson wrote > Hello! I'm about to start testing a small K12LTSP installation and need a few > thin clients for testing. I've been leaning towards the Neoware units that can > be found cheaply on eBay. Are there certain models that are advisable over the > others? Are the Neoware units usable? I appreciate any recommendations you can > give. Thank you! > > --Tim I have been very happy with the DevonIT 6020p clients. We have 108 here and you can buy them for $139 each with an 800Mhz processor and 128MB RAM. So they are brand new, relatively low cost, work out of the box, and have good processor speeds if you want to try and run some local apps in the future. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 8 18:10:28 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:10:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Inexpensive Thin Client for Testing In-Reply-To: References: <15797367.271202491738987.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> Message-ID: <20080208180728.M64036@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:54:19 -0500, Joe Makoid wrote > Tim, > > I am the presdident of devon it we make these devices we have them as low as > $139 We have many schools around the world that use them Julie Byrnes can > help you out. > > There are other suppliers like Wyse and HP etc. They are all good products, > we keep the cost low for schools > > Joe Makoid Funny, your post makes mine look like a paid advertisement. Really though, without any prompting from DevonIT, I have been very happy with these clients. We run ours in 1280x1024. The only complaint I have is that when run in the higher resolution there can be some funny graphics around the mouse cursor and in the upper right hand corner at times. But if run at 1024x768 there are absolutely no problems. For us, I think the larger resolution is worth the goofy graphics here and there. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Feb 8 19:17:30 2008 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:17:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Apache In-Reply-To: <9bd317560802080932y7f476dakb250a54599ad5f86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E20515@MAILBE2.westat.com> Peter Hartmann wrote: >> Having a weird problem with apache on an new Centos 5.1 install. >> All of virtual domains resolve to the master document root instead >> of their own document root. As in /var/www/html instead of >> /var/www/html/webmail. If you type in domain.com/webmail >> it works. Has anyone come across this type of thing? I assume you're using name virtual hosts. That is, they all share an IP Address. Be sure this line is uncommented in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf (it's commented out by default). NameVirtualHost *:80 -- Henry From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 8 19:32:08 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:32:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fw: Re: Fw: Re: [K12ltsp-list] Re: Bolt on LCD Monitor LTSP Terminal In-Reply-To: References: <20080208141524.M65649@winonacotter.org> <1345.10.5.1.194.1202483161.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <20080208151112.M27809@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20080208193152.M19879@winonacotter.org> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------- From: "kevin smith" To: "Jim Kronebusch" Sent: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:57:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [K12ltsp-list] Re: Bolt on LCD Monitor LTSP Terminal I have used the Pro Edge Thin Client http://www.iocorp.com/products/proedge/. I find it quite easy to use the USB port. The Client itself has been very solid. They have been working on one specifically for use with Edubuntu. On Feb 8, 2008 10:11 AM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------- > From: "Brandon Kovach" > To: "Jim Kronebusch" > Sent: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:06:01 -0600 (CST) > Subject: Re: [K12ltsp-list] Re: Bolt on LCD Monitor LTSP Terminal > > I use 3m double stick tape to hold my motorcycle seats on my race bike. > If that stuff will hold on a seat with my 200 lbs going 145 mph for years, > I can't imagine it wouldn't hold a neoware client to the the back of a > monitor. > > BK > -- > Brandon Kovach > Logan-Rogersville R-8 Schools > Technology Director > > > On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:46:56 -0800, Casey Mynott wrote > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I am doing up a proposal for my school district in regards to getting > >> funds to setup some terminals in my classroom. What I am looking for is > >> a > >> terminal that bolts to the back of a 19" LCD monitor that can run LTSP. > >> I > >> want to show case how awesome the technology is but at the same time > >> making the setup look as clean and cutting edge as possible. I have > seen > >> these "bolt on" terminals but have found very few with any positive > >> experiences. So, the question, have you had any experiences (good or > >> bad) > >> with these types of LTSP terminals. If you have had any experience I > >> would > >> love to hear about it. Thanks for your time. > > > > Well, I was looking at going this way as well. Then I had the > revelation > > of how easy > > will it be for students to connect usb devices with the tiny form factor > > bolted to the > > back of the screen...not very. I thought about getting higher end > > monitors with usb > > ports on the side, but that isn't very cost effective. I thought of > > putting a small usb > > extension on every workstation allowing students to easily plug into the > > extension, but > > I could see those disappearing or looking a little sloppy. Then I > looked > > at the specs > > of most of the bolt on units, and they weren't as good as the larger > units > > that sit next > > to the machine. So I scrapped the bolt on idea as the only benefit it > > would give me is > > a little sleeker look with the cost of difficult usb access and slower > > specs. > > > > Anyhow, just something to think about. The labs look very nice as well > > with small > > footprint terminals next to the monitors. > > > > Jim > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12ltsp-list mailing list > > K12ltsp-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12ltsp-list > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- > > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > -- > edubuntu-users mailing list > edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users > -- Kevin Smith Assistant Director Cass District Library AND The Fiddling Librarian: http://ashkev.weblogs.us -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OriginalMsg.htm Type: text/ Size: 5096 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 8 19:36:11 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:36:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fw: Re: [K12ltsp-list] Re: Bolt on LCD Monitor LTSP Terminal In-Reply-To: References: <20080208141524.M65649@winonacotter.org> <1345.10.5.1.194.1202483161.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <20080208151112.M27809@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20080208193423.M91564@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:57:22 -0500, kevin smith wrote > I have used the Pro Edge Thin Client > http://www.iocorp.com/products/proedge/. I find it quite easy to use > the USB port. The Client itself has been > very solid. They have been working on one specifically for use with > Edubuntu. Good to know, I would have thought that reaching around the side or top of the monitor to use the usb port would have been a problem for students. My main concern is that new users wouldn't even know they existed as they are not in plain sight. Thanks for the info. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri Feb 8 23:49:40 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:49:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Apache In-Reply-To: <9bd317560802080932y7f476dakb250a54599ad5f86@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560802080932y7f476dakb250a54599ad5f86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47ACEA94.2000001@scheie.homedns.org> I've got a Centos 5 server running Apache with two or three VirtualHosts running on it, with no such problems. What do your VirtualHost sections look like? Peter Peter Hartmann wrote: > Having a weird problem with apache on an new Centos 5.1 install. > All of virtual domains resolve to the master document root instead of > their own document root. As in /var/www/html instead of > /var/www/html/webmail. If you type in domain.com/webmail it > works. Has anyone come across this type of thing? > > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From toddobryan at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 00:23:40 2008 From: toddobryan at gmail.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:23:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience with a thin client server connection getting throttled? Message-ID: <904774730802081623v3ce4424ahba512870a2e7cd9c@mail.gmail.com> My district has over 90,000 students and I have the only thin client lab. In my lab we're having a big problem with network connectivity as connections get lost pretty often, especially when lots of users are surfing. The network guy came out and saw how bad the connectivity was when we tried to connect to internet sites like Google, Yahoo, and CNN. We then tried surfing within the district and discovered there were no problems. He set us to bypass the filter box, a FortiNet appliance that filters the whole district, and we had no problems on the internet, so it's apparently the filter that's slowing things down. Unfortunately, for obvious reasons, we can't run without a filter. For political reasons too complicated to go into, we also can't set up an alternate filtering system for just my lab. I suspect that other users don't see this problem because the filter sees an unreasonable amount of traffic coming from what it thinks is a single computer and throttles the connection. (We also have the remnants of a November virus outbreak on the network that is flooding everything with stray packets, so the filter could be busier than it should be. They're still working on cleaning that up.) Does anyone have experience with this kind of thing, with either FortiNet or another filter appliance, where thin client labs see a performance degradation compared to single-user systems? If so, did you have any luck solving it? Thanks, Todd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 00:38:38 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:38:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience with a thin client server connection getting throttled? In-Reply-To: <904774730802081623v3ce4424ahba512870a2e7cd9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <904774730802081623v3ce4424ahba512870a2e7cd9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/8/08, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > My district has over 90,000 students and I have the only thin client lab. In > my lab we're having a big problem with network connectivity as connections > get lost pretty often, especially when lots of users are surfing. The Hi Todd, I can't help with your main question but I would suggest running squid proxy on your server if you are not already. It should reduce your outside traffic. Maybe then the filter will be less likely to limit you. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sat Feb 9 14:13:12 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:13:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fw: Re: [K12ltsp-list] Re: Bolt on LCD Monitor LTSP Terminal In-Reply-To: <20080208193423.M91564@winonacotter.org> References: <20080208141524.M65649@winonacotter.org> <1345.10.5.1.194.1202483161.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <20080208151112.M27809@winonacotter.org> <20080208193423.M91564@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1202566392.6663.439.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Go get a pile of these keyboards: http://www.matias.ca/usb2keyboard/index.php USB2.0 port right on top of the keyboard. On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 14:36 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:57:22 -0500, kevin smith wrote > > I have used the Pro Edge Thin Client > > http://www.iocorp.com/products/proedge/. I find it quite easy to use > > the USB port. The Client itself has been > > very solid. They have been working on one specifically for use with > > Edubuntu. > > Good to know, I would have thought that reaching around the side or top of the monitor > to use the usb port would have been a problem for students. My main concern is that new > users wouldn't even know they existed as they are not in plain sight. > > Thanks for the info. > > Jim > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 18:45:20 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:45:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Apache In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E20515@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <9bd317560802080932y7f476dakb250a54599ad5f86@mail.gmail.com> <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E20515@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560802091045m79d5f150o7bcf7af9d86190f5@mail.gmail.com> Talk about weird.. NameVirtualHost x.x.x.x:80 refused to work. As soon as I changed it to *:80 all was well. iptables? Peter On Feb 8, 2008 2:17 PM, Henry Hartley wrote: > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > >> Having a weird problem with apache on an new Centos 5.1 install. > >> All of virtual domains resolve to the master document root instead > >> of their own document root. As in /var/www/html instead of > >> /var/www/html/webmail. If you type in domain.com/webmail > >> it works. Has anyone come across this type of thing? > > I assume you're using name virtual hosts. That is, they all share an IP > Address. Be sure this line is uncommented in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf > (it's commented out by default). > > NameVirtualHost *:80 > > -- > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 01:27:07 2008 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 20:27:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. In-Reply-To: <544290.72259.qm@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> References: <544290.72259.qm@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Update! So it ends up that the lack of space is because the OS is including the hard drive space from the backup server that is mounted in /mnt! Situation: There is the main k12ltsp server. 37 GB drive. There is an 80 GB drive in another fedora core 4 machine that is acting as a backup machine (every night it rsyncs, every week or so it does a mondoarchive and stores the ISOs). That backup machine is mounted via NFS to ther k12ltsp's /mnt directory. 'mount -l' shows: /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 on / type ext3 (rw) proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) sunrpc on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw) the command to mount it is the last line in rc.local: mount k12backup:/k12backup /mnt/backup -o rsize=8192,wisze=8192 'df' shows: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 32566076 30912500 0 100% / /dev/sda1 101086 16532 79335 18% /boot tmpfs 1037152 0 1037152 0% /dev/shm Is there a solution to this? I didn't realize it considers mounted directories as part of the space and will prevent you from logging in. Thank you. From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sun Feb 10 02:08:01 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:08:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No one can log in! Advice please. In-Reply-To: References: <544290.72259.qm@web60816.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1202609281.6663.450.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Each separate mount point will show up separately in mount and in df. The NFS mount does not show in either output below. If the 80GB drive has space, move the home directories over to it and NFS mount them back to the main server (after verifying the move and deleting the contents of /home). If there are a tremendous number of tiny files (<4k) you may be out of inodes and thus can't write to the drive for that reason. Each file takes at least one inode. Loads of little 1, 2 and 3k files will consume 4k inodes with wasted space. Welcome to the world of low-level, hard-core sysadmin stuff :) try this: find / -type f -size +20000k -exec ls -lh {} \; | awk '{ print $9 ": " $5 }' >>>>>line wrap warning: it is all one line<<<<< This find command will find all files larger than 20M and print the full path and their size. It will truncate filenames with spaces in them but will get you a starting point. On Sat, 2008-02-09 at 20:27 -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Update! > > So it ends up that the lack of space is because the OS is including > the hard drive space from the backup server that is mounted in /mnt! > > Situation: > There is the main k12ltsp server. 37 GB drive. There is an 80 GB > drive in another fedora core 4 machine that is acting as a backup > machine (every night it rsyncs, every week or so it does a > mondoarchive and stores the ISOs). > > That backup machine is mounted via NFS to ther k12ltsp's /mnt > directory. 'mount -l' shows: > > /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 on / type ext3 (rw) > proc on /proc type proc (rw) > sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) > devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) > /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) > tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) > none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) > sunrpc on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) > nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw) > > the command to mount it is the last line in rc.local: > mount k12backup:/k12backup /mnt/backup -o rsize=8192,wisze=8192 > > 'df' shows: > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 > 32566076 30912500 0 100% / > /dev/sda1 101086 16532 79335 18% /boot > tmpfs 1037152 0 1037152 0% /dev/shm > > Is there a solution to this? I didn't realize it considers mounted > directories as part of the space and will prevent you from logging in. > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Feb 11 05:39:39 2008 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:39:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <760387.36024.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <760387.36024.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47AFDF9B.6010806@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Chris Thomas wrote: > With FC 9 Alpha released the other day, I was interested in the new > features that are going to be in FC9. On the Fedora Wiki, > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList , there is a > list of features planned on being included in FC9. K12LTSP is on that > list, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/K12Linux . Does that > mean that there will be no more K12LTSP releases and that all K12LTSP > development will be done in Fedora? > > Chris > The concepts and technologies that make K12LTSP special are indeed slowly but surely being integrated into RedHat/Fedora, and many other distributions as well. We have spent the last couple of years working really hard on this. Chris, I see in the K12LTSP list archives that about two years ago you posted a link to this article: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/12/03/1759224.shtml?tid=146&tid=106 This article refers to Edubuntu as a "fork" of Ubuntu. I, and others from the LTSP/K12LTSP community, help design Edubuntu. In the free software world, competition is a good thing and it often well worth one's time to invest in one's competitors. At the last ubuntu developers summit I attended in Boston, it was decided that Edubuntu as a stand-alone distribution would be no more. It would be absorbed back into the main Ubuntu code base. Like-wise, K12LTSP has until now been a "fork" of RedHat/Fedora. In the same manner, we have been working on absorbing it back into the main Fedora code base. Each and every release has been less-and-less of a "fork". This is great news! -Eric From mel at melwade.com Mon Feb 11 07:34:04 2008 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:34:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <47AFDF9B.6010806@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <760387.36024.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47AFDF9B.6010806@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43080f460802102334xf246788g7845f6d35a812c5d@mail.gmail.com> This sounds like a good thing for the community. It will mean more rapid access to the latest releases as we won't have to wait on final code of the next release for work to begin in the K12LSTP. My only concern is the "Contingency Plan." http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/K12Linux But with the assistance you are giving it shouldn't be to big of a problem for them to handle. Thanks for all your work on this... Mel On 2/10/08, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Chris Thomas wrote: > > With FC 9 Alpha released the other day, I was interested in the new > > features that are going to be in FC9. On the Fedora Wiki, > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList , there is a > > list of features planned on being included in FC9. K12LTSP is on that > > list, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/K12Linux . Does that > > mean that there will be no more K12LTSP releases and that all K12LTSP > > development will be done in Fedora? > > > > Chris > > > > The concepts and technologies that make K12LTSP special are indeed > slowly but surely being integrated into RedHat/Fedora, and many other > distributions as well. > > We have spent the last couple of years working really hard on this. > Chris, I see in the K12LTSP list archives that about two years ago you > posted a link to this article: > > http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/12/03/1759224.shtml?tid=146&tid=106 > > This article refers to Edubuntu as a "fork" of Ubuntu. I, and others > from the LTSP/K12LTSP community, help design Edubuntu. In the free > software world, competition is a good thing and it often well worth > one's time to invest in one's competitors. > > At the last ubuntu developers summit I attended in Boston, it was > decided that Edubuntu as a stand-alone distribution would be no more. It > would be absorbed back into the main Ubuntu code base. > > > Like-wise, K12LTSP has until now been a "fork" of RedHat/Fedora. In the > same manner, we have been working on absorbing it back into the main > Fedora code base. Each and every release has been less-and-less of a > "fork". > > This is great news! > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Mon Feb 11 19:57:29 2008 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:57:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? References: <45609.10.10.100.1.1202246803.squirrel@mail.seminole.k12.ga.us> Message-ID: I use ubuntu at home an finally decided to try Sabayon there to see the results. The only difference I noted is the creation of Sabyon User or sabayon-admin with a home directory in /tmp/sabayon-temp-home-zVNBPk . We had a snow day today, but I'm still going to try and see if that is happening on my Fedora Machine. I don't think so and that may be the reason it isn't working. Can anyone else check this out for me? Thanks! Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us "The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe, and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location... and I'm not even too sure about that one" --Dennis Hughes, FBI -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of David Hopkins Sent: Thu 2/7/2008 7:18 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? I am running EL5 and Sabayon (latest version) is not working properly. Just my two cents on this. Dave Hopkins On Feb 6, 2008 5:41 PM, Kemp, Levi wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ronnie Miller > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:27 PM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? > > > > I've recently (this week) started having issues with Sabayon > > not working. > > I just finished building a new server and had everything > > almost ready, but when I got ready to build my profile in > > Sabayon, it wouldn't work. I've installed Sabayon and the > > sabayon-apply part and can even run the "User Profile Editor" > > program. The problem occurs when I try to edit an existing > > profile or create a new one. Sabayon acts like it's doing > > something then nothing - no edit screen or anything. The > > "User Profile Editor" dialog box just sits there. > > > > I also tried it on an older, existing server that I had used > > it before on > > - same thing. When I click on "Details" that screen pops up > > fine, it's just the actual edit screen that never appears. > > I'm confused... > > > > > > -- > > Ronnie Miller > > Technology Specialist > > Seminole County Schools > > 800 S. Woolfork Ave. > > Donalsonville, GA 39845 > > 229.524.5235 Ext. 227 > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous > > content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > Exactly the issue I'm having. Try running sabayon through a terminal and > see what it prints out when you try to edit. This is what I get. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/profilesdialog.py", > line 342, in __edit_button_clicked > session.start () > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/profilesdialog.py", > line 129, in start > self.temp_homedir = protosession.setup_shell_and_homedir > (self.username) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/protosession.py", line > 60, in setup_shell_and_homedir > temp_homedir = usermod.create_temporary_homedir (pw.pw_uid, > pw.pw_gid) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 64, > in create_temporary_homedir > copy_tree (SKEL_HOMEDIR, temp_homedir, uid, gid) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 58, > in copy_tree > copy_tree (src_path, dst_path, uid, gid) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 58, > in copy_tree > copy_tree (src_path, dst_path, uid, gid) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 62, > in copy_tree > os.chown (dst_path, uid, gid) > OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/tmp/sabayon-temp-home-NwwxrC/.wine/dosdevices/c:' > > I've downloaded the newest version from the website, but I'm having > issues getting it to build. All the dependencies are beyond FC6, and I > really don't want to have to install EL5 right now. I had more issues > getting everything to work in EL5 last time and went back to FC6, that > was July of 07 though. Is there an older version of Sabayon that might > work on FC6 still? > > Levi > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 5022 bytes Desc: not available URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Feb 12 00:32:37 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:32:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience with a thin client server connection getting throttled? In-Reply-To: <904774730802081623v3ce4424ahba512870a2e7cd9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <904774730802081623v3ce4424ahba512870a2e7cd9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47B0E925.1030509@cmosnetworks.com> Todd O'Bryan wrote: > My district has over 90,000 students and I have the only thin client > lab. In my lab we're having a big problem with network connectivity as > connections get lost pretty often, especially when lots of users are > surfing. The network guy came out and saw how bad the connectivity was > when we tried to connect to internet sites like Google, Yahoo, and > CNN. We then tried surfing within the district and discovered there > were no problems. He set us to bypass the filter box, a FortiNet > appliance that filters the whole district, and we had no problems on > the internet, so it's apparently the filter that's slowing things > down. Unfortunately, for obvious reasons, we can't run without a > filter. For political reasons too complicated to go into, we also > can't set up an alternate filtering system for just my lab. > > I suspect that other users don't see this problem because the filter > sees an unreasonable amount of traffic coming from what it thinks is a > single computer and throttles the connection. (We also have the > remnants of a November virus outbreak on the network that is flooding > everything with stray packets, so the filter could be busier than it > should be. They're still working on cleaning that up.) > > Does anyone have experience with this kind of thing, with either > FortiNet or another filter appliance, where thin client labs see a > performance degradation compared to single-user systems? If so, did > you have any luck solving it? > > Thanks, > Todd Hmm...not familiar with specifically FortiNet, but I suppose any modern filter could be set to auto-sense "too much traffic" from one IP address. But that should be able to get turned off. Throttling's not really something that you need unless you've got a major infection problem, in which case you have bigger problems anyway (thottling's just a Band-Aid then, and not a very effective one at that!). There are a few other special "corner cases" for that, but those generally apply to Web/FTP/email *servers*, not client boxes. We don't throttle by IP address. We just block "bad" sites. Seems to work out pretty well for us. And nope, the thin client demo I did (yep, multiple users) was no slower than the single-user Windows thick clients. --TP From steven at simplycircus.com Tue Feb 12 03:02:21 2008 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:02:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience with a thin client server connection gettingthrottled? In-Reply-To: <904774730802081623v3ce4424ahba512870a2e7cd9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I hated these boxes, but they can do what you want. How they do it will depend on the version of FortiNet they are using, but in a nutshell, it is controlled by both the packet shaping module and the firewall module. You will need to create a firewall policy for your specific machine - if possible, start by copying the existing global policy as a starting point, otherwise, do your best. With that new policy created, select packet shaping (I think, it might be traffic shaping...) and make adjustments for the bandwidth (measure your bandwidth with the system set to bypass, and then set it to a high multiple of that). Good luck (you will need it!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Todd O'Bryan Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:24 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Experience with a thin client server connection gettingthrottled? My district has over 90,000 students and I have the only thin client lab. In my lab we're having a big problem with network connectivity as connections get lost pretty often, especially when lots of users are surfing. The network guy came out and saw how bad the connectivity was when we tried to connect to internet sites like Google, Yahoo, and CNN. We then tried surfing within the district and discovered there were no problems. He set us to bypass the filter box, a FortiNet appliance that filters the whole district, and we had no problems on the internet, so it's apparently the filter that's slowing things down. Unfortunately, for obvious reasons, we can't run without a filter. For political reasons too complicated to go into, we also can't set up an alternate filtering system for just my lab. I suspect that other users don't see this problem because the filter sees an unreasonable amount of traffic coming from what it thinks is a single computer and throttles the connection. (We also have the remnants of a November virus outbreak on the network that is flooding everything with stray packets, so the filter could be busier than it should be. They're still working on cleaning that up.) Does anyone have experience with this kind of thing, with either FortiNet or another filter appliance, where thin client labs see a performance degradation compared to single-user systems? If so, did you have any luck solving it? Thanks, Todd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12ltsp at hermon.net Tue Feb 12 19:50:56 2008 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:50:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Major Kernel Vulnerability in FC6 Message-ID: Hi, It's being reported over the news and online that a major kernel vulnerability exists in many versions of linux, including FC6, that allows any user to gain root access from their command line. We have already had a student learn of this exploit and take down our network. Unfortunately Redhat stopped updating FC6 as of december 7 and have no plans to update it anymore. Fixes for the vulnerability are now available for FC7 and FC8. Does anyone know what the status is with K12LTSP moving to FC7 or higher? Does anyone know of an RPM Kernel upgrade that is available for FC6 that we can install to correct the issue? This exposes a major vulnerability that any student can take advantage of and gain root access. Links: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/6/ update (Last update Dec 7.) http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:VjjZyptn_DYJ:spevack.livejournal.com/33032.html+fc6+dec+7&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a (mentioning that Redhat no longer updates repo. since Dec 7) http://secunia.com/advisories/28835/ (vulnerabiity) From nils at breun.nl Tue Feb 12 20:41:09 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:41:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Major Kernel Vulnerability in FC6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40ECB06C-583F-4405-A696-401DDD410701@breun.nl> k12ltsp wrote: > It's being reported over the news and online that a major kernel > vulnerability exists in many versions of linux, including FC6, that > allows > any user to gain root access from their command line. > > We have already had a student learn of this exploit and take down our > network. Unfortunately Redhat stopped updating FC6 as of december 7 > and > have no plans to update it anymore. Fixes for the vulnerability are > now > available for FC7 and FC8. > > Does anyone know what the status is with K12LTSP moving to FC7 or > higher? LTSP is on track to be incorporated into Fedora 9: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/K12Linux I'm not sure if a K12LTSP release based on Fedora 7 or 8 will ever see the light. > Does anyone know of an RPM Kernel upgrade that is available for FC6 > that > we can install to correct the issue? If there is a patch someone should be able to build a patched FC6 kernel I guess. We have a K12LTSP 5EL server, so we have a supported setup. > This exposes a major vulnerability that any student can take > advantage of > and gain root access. A guy called Morten Hustveit created a modified version of the exploit that patches the vulnerability: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953#14 Could be a nice temporary fix. Nils Breunese. From nils at breun.nl Tue Feb 12 20:44:02 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:44:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Major Kernel Vulnerability in FC6 In-Reply-To: <40ECB06C-583F-4405-A696-401DDD410701@breun.nl> References: <40ECB06C-583F-4405-A696-401DDD410701@breun.nl> Message-ID: <79FD5EB5-D775-4E49-9567-43BC463B4CE8@breun.nl> Nils Breunese wrote: >> This exposes a major vulnerability that any student can take >> advantage of >> and gain root access. > > A guy called Morten Hustveit created a modified version of the > exploit that patches the vulnerability: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953#14 > Could be a nice temporary fix. Reading through the thread it appears it's better to use this if you need a quick fix: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953#65 Caveat: I have not tried any of this. Nils Breunese. From k12ltsp at hermon.net Tue Feb 12 21:23:46 2008 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:23:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Major Kernel Vulnerability in FC6 Message-ID: This does fix the vulnerability, but at the same time, it kills the LTSP server's ability to talk to the terminals. The terminals can't boot anymore nor talk to the server after the fix is ran. This correction isn't compatible with LTSP. Fortunately, restarting the server will clear the changes made and the terminals will work again. Thank you however for suggesting it! Take care, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Owen Assistant to the Director of Information Services Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Reading through the thread it appears it's better to use this if you >need a quick fix: >http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953#65 > Caveat: I have not tried any of this. > >Nils Breunese. From julius at turtle.com Tue Feb 12 21:53:45 2008 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:53:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Major Kernel Vulnerability in FC6 In-Reply-To: <40ECB06C-583F-4405-A696-401DDD410701@breun.nl> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Nils Breunese wrote: > k12ltsp wrote: > > > It's being reported over the news and online that a major kernel > > vulnerability exists in many versions of linux, including FC6, that > > allows > > any user to gain root access from their command line. > > > > We have already had a student learn of this exploit and take down our > > network. Unfortunately Redhat stopped updating FC6 as of december 7 > > and > > have no plans to update it anymore. Fixes for the vulnerability are > > now > > available for FC7 and FC8. > > > > Does anyone know what the status is with K12LTSP moving to FC7 or > > higher? > > LTSP is on track to be incorporated into Fedora 9: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/K12Linux > I'm not sure if a K12LTSP release based on Fedora 7 or 8 will ever > see the light. > > > Does anyone know of an RPM Kernel upgrade that is available for FC6 > > that > > we can install to correct the issue? > > If there is a patch someone should be able to build a patched FC6 > kernel I guess. We have a K12LTSP 5EL server, so we have a supported > setup. > > > This exposes a major vulnerability that any student can take > > advantage of > > and gain root access. > > A guy called Morten Hustveit created a modified version of the exploit > that patches the vulnerability: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953#14 > Could be a nice temporary fix. > Nils, thank you. Works like a charm. somebody mentiond that it broke terminals' ability to boot. not in my case - everything works fine. [julius at ltspl ~]$ uname -a Linux ltspl 2.6.22.14-72.fc6 #1 SMP Wed Nov 21 15:12:59 EST 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux julius From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Feb 12 22:07:59 2008 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:07:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Major Kernel Vulnerability in FC6 In-Reply-To: <40ECB06C-583F-4405-A696-401DDD410701@breun.nl> Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E2054B@MAILBE2.westat.com> Nils Breunese wrote: >> If there is a patch someone should be able to build a patched FC6 >> kernel I guess. We have a K12LTSP 5EL server, so we have a supported >> setup. For those using 5EL, the patch you will want, released today, appears to be kernel-2.6.18-53.1.13.el5. http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0129.html It doesn't seem to have made it into the relevant CentOS repositories yet but it should quite soon, I imagine. -- Henry From mlindman at charter.net Wed Feb 13 05:47:37 2008 From: mlindman at charter.net (Mark Lindman) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:47:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions question - shared folder Message-ID: <1202881657.11565.20.camel@WEN-2581401E> I am having a frustrating time sorting out a file permissions issue on a K12LTSP Centos 5.0EL. The school has a photography class which is assembling images for the school year book. I created a folder /home/YearBookCentral to be a shared location for all the text and images. They want to be able to share all files and sub-folders amongst the photography class. Any member of the class should be able to open/modify/rewrite any file within the folder and all sub-folders. I went back into the archives and searched for umask, and followed instructions in the thread http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-November/msg00603.html Here is what I've done: 1. Created group photostudents 2. mkdir /home/YearBookCentral 3. chgrp photostudents /home/YearBookCentral 4. chmod -R g+ws /home/YearBookCentral 5. To test the setup, I created user testps. I made testps a member of testps, and also member of photostudents. I logged on with testps, and confirmed that umask is 002. >From a command prompt, user testps can create files and folders in /home/YearBookCentral. All the files and folders have testps as owner, and photostudents as group, and both have rw permissions. >From an application, or from the file browser, any files or folders have the user testps as owner, with rw, and the group photostudents with r (no w). What am I doing wrong? Thanks for listening... --mark From mlindman at charter.net Wed Feb 13 05:47:37 2008 From: mlindman at charter.net (Mark Lindman) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:47:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions question - shared folder Message-ID: <1202881657.11565.20.camel@WEN-2581401E> I am having a frustrating time sorting out a file permissions issue on a K12LTSP Centos 5.0EL. The school has a photography class which is assembling images for the school year book. I created a folder /home/YearBookCentral to be a shared location for all the text and images. They want to be able to share all files and sub-folders amongst the photography class. Any member of the class should be able to open/modify/rewrite any file within the folder and all sub-folders. I went back into the archives and searched for umask, and followed instructions in the thread http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-November/msg00603.html Here is what I've done: 1. Created group photostudents 2. mkdir /home/YearBookCentral 3. chgrp photostudents /home/YearBookCentral 4. chmod -R g+ws /home/YearBookCentral 5. To test the setup, I created user testps. I made testps a member of testps, and also member of photostudents. I logged on with testps, and confirmed that umask is 002. >From a command prompt, user testps can create files and folders in /home/YearBookCentral. All the files and folders have testps as owner, and photostudents as group, and both have rw permissions. >From an application, or from the file browser, any files or folders have the user testps as owner, with rw, and the group photostudents with r (no w). What am I doing wrong? Thanks for listening... --mark From nils at breun.nl Wed Feb 13 09:06:59 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:06:59 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Major Kernel Vulnerability in FC6 In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E2054B@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E2054B@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <81A08C6A-10D9-4219-997E-CDE5F7D14EC5@breun.nl> Henry Hartley wrote: > Nils Breunese wrote: > >>> If there is a patch someone should be able to build a patched FC6 >>> kernel I guess. We have a K12LTSP 5EL server, so we have a supported >>> setup. > > For those using 5EL, the patch you will want, released today, > appears to > be > > kernel-2.6.18-53.1.13.el5. > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0129.html > > It doesn't seem to have made it into the relevant CentOS repositories > yet but it should quite soon, I imagine. I already have it installed. Nils Breunese. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 09:25:11 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:25:11 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions question - shared folder In-Reply-To: <1202881657.11565.20.camel@WEN-2581401E> References: <1202881657.11565.20.camel@WEN-2581401E> Message-ID: <47B2B777.3090904@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Mark Lindman wrote: > I am having a frustrating time sorting out a file permissions issue on a > K12LTSP Centos 5.0EL. > > The school has a photography class which is assembling images for the > school year book. I created a folder /home/YearBookCentral to be a > shared location for all the text and images. They want to be able to > share all files and sub-folders amongst the photography class. Any > member of the class should be able to open/modify/rewrite any file > within the folder and all sub-folders. > > I went back into the archives and searched for umask, and followed > instructions in the thread > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-November/msg00603.html > > Here is what I've done: > 1. Created group photostudents > 2. mkdir /home/YearBookCentral > 3. chgrp photostudents /home/YearBookCentral > 4. chmod -R g+ws /home/YearBookCentral > 5. To test the setup, I created user testps. I made testps a member of > testps, and also member of photostudents. I logged on with testps, and > confirmed that umask is 002. > >>From a command prompt, user testps can create files and folders > in /home/YearBookCentral. All the files and folders have testps as > owner, and photostudents as group, and both have rw permissions. > >>From an application, or from the file browser, any files or folders have > the user testps as owner, with rw, and the group photostudents with r > (no w). > > What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks for listening... > > --mark > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > I always just do a chmod -R 2770 /directory and that seems to work OK Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Feb 13 14:00:21 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:00:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions question - shared folder In-Reply-To: <1202881657.11565.20.camel@WEN-2581401E> References: <1202881657.11565.20.camel@WEN-2581401E> Message-ID: <47B2F7F5.1090509@scheie.homedns.org> Mark Lindman wrote: >>From an application, or from the file browser, any files or folders have > the user testps as owner, with rw, and the group photostudents with r > (no w). > Are the applications including the file browser running on the server, ala LTSP? Or are they running on Windows workstations and accessing the YearBookCentral folder via Samba? If the latter, you need to also adjust the file create mask and directory create mask in smb.conf. They're under the Advanced view for a given share in SWAT. Peter From nadavkav at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 16:36:23 2008 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:36:23 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <43080f460802102334xf246788g7845f6d35a812c5d@mail.gmail.com> References: <760387.36024.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47AFDF9B.6010806@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43080f460802102334xf246788g7845f6d35a812c5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4219988b0802130836s16cfb252meeaf89b60e523f03@mail.gmail.com> eric: how can i help ? (with fc9) On 11/02/2008, Mel Wade wrote: > > This sounds like a good thing for the community. It will mean more rapid > access to the latest releases as we won't have to wait on final code of the > next release for work to begin in the K12LSTP. > > My only concern is the "Contingency Plan." > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/K12Linux > > But with the assistance you are giving it shouldn't be to big of a problem > for them to handle. > > Thanks for all your work on this... > > Mel > > On 2/10/08, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > Chris Thomas wrote: > > > With FC 9 Alpha released the other day, I was interested in the new > > > features that are going to be in FC9. On the Fedora Wiki, > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList , there is a > > > list of features planned on being included in FC9. K12LTSP is on that > > > list, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/K12Linux . Does that > > > mean that there will be no more K12LTSP releases and that all K12LTSP > > > development will be done in Fedora? > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > The concepts and technologies that make K12LTSP special are indeed > > slowly but surely being integrated into RedHat/Fedora, and many other > > distributions as well. > > > > We have spent the last couple of years working really hard on this. > > Chris, I see in the K12LTSP list archives that about two years ago you > > posted a link to this article: > > > > http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/12/03/1759224.shtml?tid=146&tid=106 > > > > This article refers to Edubuntu as a "fork" of Ubuntu. I, and others > > from the LTSP/K12LTSP community, help design Edubuntu. In the free > > software world, competition is a good thing and it often well worth > > one's time to invest in one's competitors. > > > > At the last ubuntu developers summit I attended in Boston, it was > > decided that Edubuntu as a stand-alone distribution would be no more. It > > would be absorbed back into the main Ubuntu code base. > > > > > > Like-wise, K12LTSP has until now been a "fork" of RedHat/Fedora. In the > > same manner, we have been working on absorbing it back into the main > > Fedora code base. Each and every release has been less-and-less of a > > "fork". > > > > This is great news! > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Has anyone come across this type of thing? > > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville http://learn.occ.utk.edu/ +1-865-974-0497 From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Feb 13 17:43:13 2008 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:43:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Apache In-Reply-To: <9bd317560802091045m79d5f150o7bcf7af9d86190f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E20555@MAILBE2.westat.com> Peter Hartmann wrote: >> >> Talk about weird.. NameVirtualHost x.x.x.x:80 refused to work. >> As soon as I changed it to *:80 all was well. iptables? In the VirtualHost directives for your various hosts, do you have or or do you have ? If the later, then that's the problem. The NameVirtualHost directive must exactly match the directive. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#namevirtualhost -- Henry From robark at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 18:22:34 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:22:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] faster ssh for ltsp5 Message-ID: Could this help ltsp5? http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 18:33:28 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:33:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Apache In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E20555@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <9bd317560802091045m79d5f150o7bcf7af9d86190f5@mail.gmail.com> <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E20555@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560802131033n2ee9b16dqfa08688176019c83@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I did have NameVirtualHost x.x.x.x:80 and . Thanks, Peter On Feb 13, 2008 12:43 PM, Henry Hartley wrote: > Peter Hartmann wrote: > >> > >> Talk about weird.. NameVirtualHost x.x.x.x:80 refused to work. > >> As soon as I changed it to *:80 all was well. iptables? > > In the VirtualHost directives for your various hosts, do you have > or or do you have > ? If the later, then that's the problem. TheNamevirtualgost > NameVirtualHost directive must exactly match the > directive. > > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#namevirtualhost > > -- > > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aahodson at episd.org Wed Feb 13 21:44:19 2008 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:44:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Making Centos 5.1-i386 K12LTSP compliant Message-ID: <47B302430200006C000122A3@episd14.episd.org> Greetings For more organized and better searchers than myself, where do I find info (or how do i go about) making a Centos 5.1-i386 install into a K12LTSP server? I am prepared to install K12LTSP-5.0.0EL-32bit from CDs, but seems there is a yum or rpm solution to this... I am trying not to destroy a creative impulse of one of my colleagues... Thanks for the pointers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD - TX links.episd.org -=o=- Alan A Hodson MEd. oF: 915-887-6871 fX: 915-779-4100 aahodson at episd.org http://links.episd.org/ http://tinyurl.com/3e4sh8 Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away -=o=- From phanh at canby.k12.or.us Wed Feb 13 22:09:02 2008 From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:09:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Prevent default language change Message-ID: We setup a generic account for general computer usage in our lab. A student changed the language to Hebrew and set it to be the default. As the result, all systems login after that have the Hebrew language set. A few mouse click and we can change it back but how do we set to prevent the student from ever change the language? Are any others prevention that you do with your K12LTSP? Thank you, From steve.towson at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 23:02:31 2008 From: steve.towson at gmail.com (Steve Towson) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:02:31 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] pam_mount cifs home folders Message-ID: Hi. My server is an SME 7.3 samba server. I have set up authentication of Fedora 8 workstations against this server and it works well. With Fedora 7 I was able to use pam_mount to mount the user's windows home \\server\username to /home/SCHOOL/username and everything worked well. We had roaming profiles on Fedora workstations. With Fedora 8, however, I have run into errors performing this mount. It works if I mount to /home/SCHOOL/username/mountpoint but if I attempt to mount directly to /home/username there are file permissions that prevent logging in. I've read that this has something to do with the differences between cifs and the permissions gnome needs to set up all the dot files it requires. Does anyone have this working? The funny thing is, when I couldn't get Fedora 8 mounting properly, I went back to Fedora 7, followed all my notes exactly ( http://wiki.contribs.org/fedora7), but it wouldn't work either. It USED to, so I'm really confused. Anyone? Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Feb 14 01:00:31 2008 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:00:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <4219988b0802130836s16cfb252meeaf89b60e523f03@mail.gmail.com> References: <760387.36024.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47AFDF9B.6010806@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43080f460802102334xf246788g7845f6d35a812c5d@mail.gmail.com> <4219988b0802130836s16cfb252meeaf89b60e523f03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0802131700v6b15bcbfka5a856c7c32586e4@mail.gmail.com> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=188611 Check out all bug numbers under: Bug 188611 depends on: Also: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/K12Linux -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 On 2/13/08, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > eric: how can i help ? > (with fc9) > > > On 11/02/2008, Mel Wade wrote: > > This sounds like a good thing for the community. It will mean more rapid > access to the latest releases as we won't have to wait on final code of the > next release for work to begin in the K12LSTP. > > > > My only concern is the "Contingency Plan." > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/K12Linux > > > > But with the assistance you are giving it shouldn't be to big of a problem > for them to handle. > > > > Thanks for all your work on this... > > > > Mel > > > > > > > > On 2/10/08, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > Chris Thomas wrote: > > > > With FC 9 Alpha released the other day, I was interested in the new > > > > features that are going to be in FC9. On the Fedora Wiki, > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList > , there is a > > > > list of features planned on being included in FC9. K12LTSP is on that > > > > list, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/K12Linux > . Does that > > > > mean that there will be no more K12LTSP releases and that all K12LTSP > > > > development will be done in Fedora? > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > The concepts and technologies that make K12LTSP special are indeed > > > slowly but surely being integrated into RedHat/Fedora, and many other > > > distributions as well. > > > > > > We have spent the last couple of years working really hard on this. > > > Chris, I see in the K12LTSP list archives that about two years ago you > > > posted a link to this article: > > > > > > > http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/12/03/1759224.shtml?tid=146&tid=106 > > > > > > This article refers to Edubuntu as a "fork" of Ubuntu. I, and others > > > from the LTSP/K12LTSP community, help design Edubuntu. In the free > > > software world, competition is a good thing and it often well worth > > > one's time to invest in one's competitors. > > > > > > At the last ubuntu developers summit I attended in Boston, it was > > > decided that Edubuntu as a stand-alone distribution would be no more. It > > > would be absorbed back into the main Ubuntu code base. > > > > > > > > > Like-wise, K12LTSP has until now been a "fork" of RedHat/Fedora. In the > > > same manner, we have been working on absorbing it back into the main > > > Fedora code base. Each and every release has been less-and-less of a > "fork". > > > > > > This is great news! > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Feb 14 01:52:54 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:52:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making Centos 5.1-i386 K12LTSP compliant In-Reply-To: <47B302430200006C000122A3@episd14.episd.org> References: <47B302430200006C000122A3@episd14.episd.org> Message-ID: <1202953974.6663.562.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Install a K12LTSP-5EL and apply all the yum updates. Now change the /etc/issue file and run yum update again. On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 14:44 -0700, Alan Hodson wrote: > Greetings > For more organized and better searchers than myself, where do I find info (or how do i go about) making a Centos 5.1-i386 install into a K12LTSP server? I am prepared to install K12LTSP-5.0.0EL-32bit from CDs, but seems there is a yum or rpm solution to this... I am trying not to destroy a creative impulse of one of my colleagues... > Thanks for the pointers > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD - TX > links.episd.org > -=o=- > > Alan A Hodson MEd. > oF: 915-887-6871 > fX: 915-779-4100 > aahodson at episd.org > http://links.episd.org/ > http://tinyurl.com/3e4sh8 > > Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, > but by the moments that take our breath away > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From mlindman at charter.net Thu Feb 14 00:54:49 2008 From: mlindman at charter.net (Mark Lindman) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:54:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions question - shared folder In-Reply-To: <47B2B777.3090904@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20080213195449.0ZWX9.420859.root@fepweb03> Hi Brian, Thanks - that did it. There is a still an element to this that I don't understand. Files created with applications like OO and gimp have the right permissions RW for the owner and group. Folders created with Nautilus have the right permissions. BUT, files created by Nautilus (right-click in the folder and Create Document) do not have the right permissions. Here's an example: [root at ltsp YearBookCentral]# [root at ltsp YearBookCentral]# ls -laR test test: total 40 drwxrws--- 3 lindmmb photostudents 4096 Feb 13 16:40 . drwxrws--- 10 lindmmb photostudents 4096 Feb 12 15:15 .. -rw-rw-r-- 1 lindmmb photostudents 18052 Feb 13 16:26 CreagedByGimp.jpg -rw------- 1 lindmmb photostudents 0 Feb 13 16:21 CreatedByNautilus.txt -rw-rw-r-- 1 lindmmb photostudents 7043 Feb 13 16:25 CreatedByOO.odt drwxrwsr-x 2 lindmmb photostudents 4096 Feb 13 16:40 DirCreatedByNautilus test/DirCreatedByNautilus: total 8 drwxrwsr-x 2 lindmmb photostudents 4096 Feb 13 16:40 . drwxrws--- 3 lindmmb photostudents 4096 Feb 13 16:40 .. [root at ltsp YearBookCentral]# Nautilus also has "no templates installed". Is this a clue? Why does Nautilus create files with different permissions, and how is this controlled? Trying to get a clue, Mark ---- Brian Chivers wrote: ============= Mark Lindman wrote: > I am having a frustrating time sorting out a file permissions issue on a > K12LTSP Centos 5.0EL. > > The school has a photography class which is assembling images for the > school year book. I created a folder /home/YearBookCentral to be a > shared location for all the text and images. They want to be able to > share all files and sub-folders amongst the photography class. Any > member of the class should be able to open/modify/rewrite any file > within the folder and all sub-folders. > > I went back into the archives and searched for umask, and followed > instructions in the thread > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-November/msg00603.html > > Here is what I've done: > 1. Created group photostudents > 2. mkdir /home/YearBookCentral > 3. chgrp photostudents /home/YearBookCentral > 4. chmod -R g+ws /home/YearBookCentral > 5. To test the setup, I created user testps. I made testps a member of > testps, and also member of photostudents. I logged on with testps, and > confirmed that umask is 002. > >>From a command prompt, user testps can create files and folders > in /home/YearBookCentral. All the files and folders have testps as > owner, and photostudents as group, and both have rw permissions. > >>From an application, or from the file browser, any files or folders have > the user testps as owner, with rw, and the group photostudents with r > (no w). > > What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks for listening... > > --mark > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > I always just do a chmod -R 2770 /directory and that seems to work OK Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Feb 14 03:00:05 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:00:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions question - shared folder In-Reply-To: <20080213195449.0ZWX9.420859.root@fepweb03> References: <20080213195449.0ZWX9.420859.root@fepweb03> Message-ID: <1202958005.6663.582.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 16:54 -0800, Mark Lindman wrote: > Why does Nautilus create files with different permissions, and how is this controlled? Because Nautilus is submarine that belongs to Captain Nemo. It knows nothing of files and permissions. It is controlled by the helmsman. :) If you run gconf-edit go to: apps->nautilus->preferences and set "show_advanced_permissions" to on (it may take a check box). Now open a nautilus window and go to edit->preferences->list columns and you can select to display the permissions of folders and files. You don't _have_ to display them to now have better edit control over them. Select a folder with a right-click and choose properties->permissions and you should have full capabilities over the setting now. There may be a better way to do this with umasking but that will involve a log out/in process. Of course the gconf-edit is a **per-user** mess that will need to be scripted and pushed to everyone. Why gnome even thinks the "registry" is a good idea... At least it is a text file and not binary mess. -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Feb 14 05:54:21 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:54:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making Centos 5.1-i386 K12LTSP compliant In-Reply-To: <47B302430200006C000122A3@episd14.episd.org> References: <47B302430200006C000122A3@episd14.episd.org> Message-ID: <47B3D78D.2050106@cmosnetworks.com> I haven't yet tried this, so YMMV. Standard liability disclaimers apply, so try this on a test box first. Any ol' box with CentOS 5 on it ought to do. Make the file /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo, and put the following in it: ---------- CUT HERE ------------ k12ltsp] name=K12LTSP mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2EL-32bit gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 ---------- CUT HERE ------------ Permissions on this file are 644 on my system, with owner root:root. Of course, 664 would be fine as well. My intuition says that even 600 should be fine. Then, try "yum update" and see how things go. This is the same process for adding the RPMForge repositories on CentOS 5, and thus, I'd figure the same would apply to any other "3rd-party" repository like the K12LTSP one. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Alan Hodson wrote: > Greetings > For more organized and better searchers than myself, where do I find info (or how do i go about) making a Centos 5.1-i386 install into a K12LTSP server? I am prepared to install K12LTSP-5.0.0EL-32bit from CDs, but seems there is a yum or rpm solution to this... 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URL: From nils at breun.nl Thu Feb 14 07:52:17 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:52:17 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Making Centos 5.1-i386 K12LTSP compliant In-Reply-To: <47B3D78D.2050106@cmosnetworks.com> References: <47B302430200006C000122A3@episd14.episd.org> <47B3D78D.2050106@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > I haven't yet tried this, so YMMV. Standard liability disclaimers > apply, so try this on a test box first. Any ol' box with CentOS 5 > on it ought to do. > > Make the file /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo, and put the following > in it: > > ---------- CUT HERE ------------ > k12ltsp] > name=K12LTSP > mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2EL-32bit > gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=1 > > ---------- CUT HERE ------------ > > Permissions on this file are 644 on my system, with owner > root:root. Of course, 664 would be fine as well. My intuition says > that even 600 should be fine. > > Then, try "yum update" and see how things go. This is the same > process for adding the RPMForge repositories on CentOS 5, and thus, > I'd figure the same would apply to any other "3rd-party" repository > like the K12LTSP one. The 'yum update' should work, as all CentOS 5 packages are also in the K12LTSP 5EL repo, but it won't get you any LTSP bits. You probably neeed a bunch of packages with ltsp in the name, but I don't know if that should get you a working LTSP setup. Nils Breunese. From nils at breun.nl Thu Feb 14 08:11:27 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:11:27 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Prevent default language change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C306A1E-3889-4B4A-85F1-614128991D7C@breun.nl> Hung Phan wrote: > We setup a generic account for general computer usage in our lab. A > student changed the language to Hebrew and set it to be the default. > As the result, all systems login after that have the Hebrew language > set. A few mouse click and we can change it back but how do we set > to prevent the student from ever change the language? You can disable the language and shutdown/reboot menu in GDM. Or you could maybe remove the language packs that you don't need. Nils Breunese. From nils at breun.nl Thu Feb 14 08:19:47 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:19:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions question - shared folder In-Reply-To: <1202958005.6663.582.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <20080213195449.0ZWX9.420859.root@fepweb03> <1202958005.6663.582.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: James P. Kinney III wrote: > Of course the gconf-edit is a **per-user** mess that will need to be > scripted and pushed to everyone. Why gnome even thinks the > "registry" is > a good idea... At least it is a text file and not binary mess. You can right-click settings in the gconf editor and make them the default for all users or even mandatory if you want. Nils Breunese. From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Feb 14 12:40:49 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:40:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions question - shared folder In-Reply-To: References: <20080213195449.0ZWX9.420859.root@fepweb03> <1202958005.6663.582.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1202992849.6663.585.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 09:19 +0100, Nils Breunese wrote: > James P. Kinney III wrote: > > > Of course the gconf-edit is a **per-user** mess that will need to be > > scripted and pushed to everyone. Why gnome even thinks the > > "registry" is > > a good idea... At least it is a text file and not binary mess. > > You can right-click settings in the gconf editor and make them the > default for all users or even mandatory if you want. Hmm. That seems like a security mess if a non-admin/root user can affect desktop settings for all users. > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From nils at breun.nl Thu Feb 14 12:44:47 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:44:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions question - shared folder In-Reply-To: <1202992849.6663.585.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <20080213195449.0ZWX9.420859.root@fepweb03> <1202958005.6663.582.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <1202992849.6663.585.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <2C343E1C-113A-4EF5-A3EF-215E5730DD87@breun.nl> James P. Kinney III wrote: > On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 09:19 +0100, Nils Breunese wrote: >> James P. Kinney III wrote: >> >>> Of course the gconf-edit is a **per-user** mess that will need to be >>> scripted and pushed to everyone. Why gnome even thinks the >>> "registry" is >>> a good idea... At least it is a text file and not binary mess. >> >> You can right-click settings in the gconf editor and make them the >> default for all users or even mandatory if you want. > > Hmm. That seems like a security mess if a non-admin/root user can > affect > desktop settings for all users. Of course only root can do that. Nils Breunese. From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Thu Feb 14 18:29:28 2008 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:29:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Permissions question - shared folder In-Reply-To: <2C343E1C-113A-4EF5-A3EF-215E5730DD87@breun.nl> References: <20080213195449.0ZWX9.420859.root@fepweb03> <1202958005.6663.582.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <1202992849.6663.585.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <2C343E1C-113A-4EF5-A3EF-215E5730DD87@breun.nl> Message-ID: <47B44239.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> For those of you who were playing with this and set something to mandatory without knowing how to un-mandatorize it, here is a tip: go to file and select New Mandatory Window to see all the settings you have made mandatory. This is a very handy tool for locking down student desktops. I have resorted to writing a script that allows a teacher to just delete & recreate all student accounts when they come into the lab. (the student accounts are all numbered autologins and all work is saved to our netware server, so we can blow them away at will). >>> Nils Breunese 02/14/08 7:44 AM >>> James P. Kinney III wrote: > On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 09:19 +0100, Nils Breunese wrote: >> James P. Kinney III wrote: >> >>> Of course the gconf-edit is a **per-user** mess that will need to be >>> scripted and pushed to everyone. Why gnome even thinks the >>> "registry" is >>> a good idea... At least it is a text file and not binary mess. >> >> You can right-click settings in the gconf editor and make them the >> default for all users or even mandatory if you want. > > Hmm. That seems like a security mess if a non-admin/root user can > affect > desktop settings for all users. Of course only root can do that. Nils Breunese. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us Thu Feb 14 18:42:57 2008 From: rmiller at seminole.k12.ga.us (Ronnie Miller) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:42:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Sabayon Not Working? Message-ID: <44897.10.10.100.1.1203014577.squirrel@mail.seminole.k12.ga.us> Anybody have any ideas/suggestions on this? I just did a total rebuild of a server using Centos5EL and installed Sabayon and it's doing the same thing. I can create a profile name, but when I try to edit it, the screen flashes once and goes right back to the original Sabayon dialogue box. This is really frustrating. Any help is, as always, most appreciated. -[K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working?- - - * From: "Ronnie Miller" - * To: k12osn redhat com - * Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? - * Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:26:43 -0500 (EST) - -I've recently (this week) started having issues with Sabayon not working. -I just finished building a new server and had everything almost ready, but -when I got ready to build my profile in Sabayon, it wouldn't work. I've -installed Sabayon and the sabayon-apply part and can even run the "User -Profile Editor" program. The problem occurs when I try to edit an existing -profile or create a new one. Sabayon acts like it's doing something then -nothing - no edit screen or anything. The "User Profile Editor" dialog box -just sits there.- - -I also tried it on an older, existing server that I had used it before on -- same thing. When I click on "Details" that screen pops up fine, it's -just the actual edit screen that never appears. I'm confused... - -- Ronnie Miller Technology Specialist Seminole County Schools 800 S. Woolfork Ave. Donalsonville, GA 39845 229.524.5235 Ext. 227 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From nils at breun.nl Thu Feb 14 19:10:54 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:10:54 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Sabayon Not Working? In-Reply-To: <44897.10.10.100.1.1203014577.squirrel@mail.seminole.k12.ga.us> References: <44897.10.10.100.1.1203014577.squirrel@mail.seminole.k12.ga.us> Message-ID: Ronnie Miller wrote: > Anybody have any ideas/suggestions on this? I just did a total > rebuild of > a server using Centos5EL and installed Sabayon and it's doing the same > thing. I can create a profile name, but when I try to edit it, the > screen > flashes once and goes right back to the original Sabayon dialogue box. > > This is really frustrating. Any help is, as always, most appreciated. Maybe just file a bug report? Nils Breunese. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Feb 14 19:25:37 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:25:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making Centos 5.1-i386 K12LTSP compliant In-Reply-To: References: <47B302430200006C000122A3@episd14.episd.org> <47B3D78D.2050106@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <47B495B1.4000405@cmosnetworks.com> Nils Breunese wrote: > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > >> I haven't yet tried this, so YMMV. Standard liability disclaimers >> apply, so try this on a test box first. Any ol' box with CentOS 5 on >> it ought to do. >> >> Make the file /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo, and put the following >> in it: >> >> ---------- CUT HERE ------------ >> k12ltsp] >> name=K12LTSP >> mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2EL-32bit >> gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY >> enabled=1 >> gpgcheck=1 >> >> ---------- CUT HERE ------------ >> >> Permissions on this file are 644 on my system, with owner root:root. >> Of course, 664 would be fine as well. My intuition says that even >> 600 should be fine. >> >> Then, try "yum update" and see how things go. This is the same >> process for adding the RPMForge repositories on CentOS 5, and thus, >> I'd figure the same would apply to any other "3rd-party" repository >> like the K12LTSP one. > > The 'yum update' should work, as all CentOS 5 packages are also in the > K12LTSP 5EL repo, but it won't get you any LTSP bits. You probably > neeed a bunch of packages with ltsp in the name, but I don't know if > that should get you a working LTSP setup. > > Nils Breunese. Ah, that's true. Forgot about that. The easiest way, I think, to do this is to run system-config-packages ("Add/Remove Programs" if you're in KDE or GNOME), and look for all the K12LTSP and LTSP stuff. Add those and install as normal. You *might* have to run ltspadmin after the installation, from the terminal window, as root (of course) to set it up for your specific IP subnets. --TP From eholcroft.subscribe at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 19:51:14 2008 From: eholcroft.subscribe at gmail.com (Edward Holcroft) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:51:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Disk image Message-ID: <47B49BB2.7050902@gmail.com> I created an image of my old wiki server using Clonezilla, which also ssh'd the image onto another server. Now I want to restore the image to my new server. Problem is the image was created as /dev/hda and the new server is /dev/sda. Clonezilla doesn't provide an obvious way of changing the device name in the interface. Any ideas on how to tackle this? ed From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 14 20:12:50 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:12:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Disk image In-Reply-To: <47B49BB2.7050902@gmail.com> References: <47B49BB2.7050902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47B4A0C2.1040508@futuresource.com> Edward Holcroft wrote: > I created an image of my old wiki server using Clonezilla, which also > ssh'd the image onto another server. Now I want to restore the image to > my new server. Problem is the image was created as /dev/hda and the new > server is /dev/sda. Clonezilla doesn't provide an obvious way of > changing the device name in the interface. > > Any ideas on how to tackle this? I think if you look in the directory where clonezilla stored the image you'll find a file with the device name in an obvious form - or you can hand-create the partitions and tell clonezilla to restore partitions instead of the disk. However, the bigger problem is that to boot from a scsi disk you need the appropriate driver module included in your initrd image. There are ways to do this, but it might be easier to do a clean install and copy the content you need to keep over. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu Feb 14 21:23:20 2008 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:23:20 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20Disk=20image?= In-Reply-To: <47B4A0C2.1040508@futuresource.com> References: <47B49BB2.7050902@gmail.com> <47B4A0C2.1040508@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <47B46AF8020000BB0000A3FA@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> I believe that sda would be a SATA drive and not a SCSI drive. >>> Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com> 2008-02-14 15:12:50 >> ... Problem is the image was created as /dev/hda and the new > server is /dev/sda. Clonezilla doesn't provide an obvious way of > changing the device name in the interface. > > Any ideas on how to tackle this? I think if you look in the directory where clonezilla stored the image you'll find a file with the device name in an obvious form - or you can hand-create the partitions and tell clonezilla to restore partitions instead of the disk. However, the bigger problem is that to boot from a scsi disk you need the appropriate driver module included in your initrd image. There are ways to do this, but it might be easier to do a clean install and copy the content you need to keep over. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 14 21:32:25 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:32:25 -0600 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Re=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_Disk_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?image?= In-Reply-To: <47B46AF8020000BB0000A3FA@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> References: <47B49BB2.7050902@gmail.com> <47B4A0C2.1040508@futuresource.com> <47B46AF8020000BB0000A3FA@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Message-ID: <47B4B369.30408@futuresource.com> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > I believe that sda would be a SATA drive and not a SCSI drive. > Either way, you need to have the correct module in the initrd to boot from it, and edit any references to device names in /etc/fstab and /etc/grub.conf (actually a symlink - the real copy is in /boot/grub/grub.conf). It is possible to boot from the install CD in rescue mode and patch this stuff up (a technique probably worth learning) but if you don't get it right the first time or two it can end up taking longer than a fresh install. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From eholcroft.subscribe at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 21:34:21 2008 From: eholcroft.subscribe at gmail.com (Edward Holcroft) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:34:21 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Re=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_Disk_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?image?= In-Reply-To: <47B46AF8020000BB0000A3FA@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> References: <47B49BB2.7050902@gmail.com> <47B4A0C2.1040508@futuresource.com> <47B46AF8020000BB0000A3FA@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Message-ID: <47B4B3DD.8020109@gmail.com> Correct, it's sata. Anyway I tried renaming the hda references in the image files to sda and it very nearly worked. Clonezilla freezes up at almost 100% completion. I may well end up doing a fresh install, but want to give the image transfer approach a shot just to satisfy my curiosity. Found this: http://clonezilla-sysresccd.hellug.gr/reloc-img.html#reloc-img-restore-disk ... but it's not working as advertised, yet. ed > I believe that sda would be a SATA drive and not a SCSI drive. > > >>> Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com> 2008-02-14 15:12:50 >> > > ... Problem is the image was created as /dev/hda and the new > > server is /dev/sda. Clonezilla doesn't provide an obvious way of > > changing the device name in the interface. > > > > Any ideas on how to tackle this? > > I think if you look in the directory where clonezilla stored the image > you'll find a file with the device name in an obvious form - or you can > hand-create the partitions and tell clonezilla to restore partitions > instead of the disk. However, the bigger problem is that to boot from a > scsi disk you need the appropriate driver module included in your initrd > image. There are ways to do this, but it might be easier to do a clean > install and copy the content you need to keep over. From accessys at smart.net Thu Feb 14 21:50:56 2008 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:50:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. Message-ID: had to shut my system down yesterday and when I rebooted everything was working fine except accessing the network. keep getting the error code SIOCADDRT: network is unreachable I can ping my cards and the blinking lights on the router appear to be correct. so what is this' I thought I had seen every error code possible but then another. it really has me stumped, tried I think all the standard fixes and am getting nowhere fast. thanks Bob +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From peter at hartmanncomputer.com Thu Feb 14 21:58:01 2008 From: peter at hartmanncomputer.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:58:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: history Message-ID: <9bd317560802141358t32fd59fcw6f0f7a2b80e3e4cb@mail.gmail.com> How did they compile the first complier? (cue: chicken-or-the-egg jokes) I'm curious. Peter From k12osn at deltacfax.com Thu Feb 14 22:04:18 2008 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:04:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: history In-Reply-To: <9bd317560802141358t32fd59fcw6f0f7a2b80e3e4cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560802141358t32fd59fcw6f0f7a2b80e3e4cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47B4BAE2.4060302@deltacfax.com> Peter Hartmann wrote: >How did they compile the first complier? (cue: chicken-or-the-egg >jokes) I'm curious. > >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > I believe both the Pascal compiler (ETH Zurich) and the PL/1 compilers went through a hand-compilation to bootstrap themselves. They created a subset of the language that they hand-compiled to then use to make a compiler for a more complete language. -tim From dhbarr at gozelle.com Thu Feb 14 22:11:46 2008 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:11:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: history In-Reply-To: <9bd317560802141358t32fd59fcw6f0f7a2b80e3e4cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560802141358t32fd59fcw6f0f7a2b80e3e4cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Peter Hartmann wrote: > How did they compile the first complier? (cue: chicken-or-the-egg > jokes) I'm curious. Rear Admiral Dr. Grace Murray Hopper and her team developed the first compiler, in assembly language, to convert symbolic math code into machine code. It was called A-O, ~1949. ( http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/tap/Files/hopper-story.html ) AFAICT NELIAC ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NELIAC ) was the first bootstrappable compiler ~10 years later. -dhbarr. From les at futuresource.com Thu Feb 14 22:20:37 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:20:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> Accessys at smart.net wrote: > had to shut my system down yesterday and when I rebooted everything > was working fine except accessing the network. > > keep getting the error code > > SIOCADDRT: network is unreachable > > I can ping my cards and the blinking lights on the router appear to be > correct. so what is this' I thought I had seen every error code > possible but then another. it really has me stumped, tried I think > all the standard fixes and am getting nowhere fast. If your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth? files don't have the right HWADDR to match your NIC cards (for example if you cloned a disk from a different machine or swapped cards after setup), the system can detect them in the wrong order and even use interfaces you had not set up. The 'mii-tool' command will show which interfaces have link active . If you can't ping your router, try checking one cable at at time to make sure you have link on the right interface name and that ifconfig shows that it has the expected IP address. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From peter at hartmanncomputer.com Thu Feb 14 23:03:08 2008 From: peter at hartmanncomputer.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:03:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: history In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560802141358t32fd59fcw6f0f7a2b80e3e4cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560802141503q3a6d4c7fn718c5205ad6c3440@mail.gmail.com> Oh right....I forgot about assembly. Thanks all. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM, David H. Barr wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Peter Hartmann > wrote: > > How did they compile the first complier? (cue: chicken-or-the-egg > > jokes) I'm curious. > > Rear Admiral Dr. Grace Murray Hopper and her team developed the first > compiler, in assembly language, to convert symbolic math code into > machine code. It was called A-O, ~1949. ( > http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/tap/Files/hopper-story.html ) AFAICT > NELIAC ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NELIAC ) was the first > bootstrappable compiler ~10 years later. > > -dhbarr. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From accessys at smart.net Fri Feb 15 01:18:42 2008 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:18:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> References: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> Message-ID: I didn't change anything since It was last working I can ping the router other than that I wish I knew what you just said???? I get so frustrated people either talk over my head or down to me why isn't there any place for someone who isn't a geek but does know a fair amount about these machines. I've complained about this for years, only two manuals are written. 1 for dummies books 2 uber geek. is it any wonder people put up with 2 hours on hold to be told it is someeone else's fault. I'll get off my soapbox but it is probably the main reason Linux doesn't spread. Bob On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Les Mikesell wrote: > Accessys at smart.net wrote: > > had to shut my system down yesterday and when I rebooted everything > > was working fine except accessing the network. > > > > keep getting the error code > > > > SIOCADDRT: network is unreachable > > > > I can ping my cards and the blinking lights on the router appear to be > > correct. so what is this' I thought I had seen every error code > > possible but then another. it really has me stumped, tried I think > > all the standard fixes and am getting nowhere fast. > > If your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth? files don't have the > right HWADDR to match your NIC cards (for example if you cloned a disk > from a different machine or swapped cards after setup), the system can > detect them in the wrong order and even use interfaces you had not set > up. The 'mii-tool' command will show which interfaces have link active > . If you can't ping your router, try checking one cable at at time to > make sure you have link on the right interface name and that ifconfig > shows that it has the expected IP address. > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 02:33:28 2008 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:33:28 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: References: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> Message-ID: Careful Bob, it might be a reason why you might not get help on this issue too. =] I can understand your frustration, but Les was just trying to help. He probably doesn't know your level of understanding and he doesn't know exactly what your situation is either. He was trying to give you something to try out. Plus if you don't understand, then ask and this listserv is pretty good at explaining things. If your computer can ping the router, then maybe the problem isn't on your machine. Maybe its happening from your router or beyond. I have no idea what happened, so I'm just throwing an idea out. That's what happened to me 2 days ago. I thought it was my server, but it was the school's network that was causing my connection issues. Good luck and I hope you get it working. I wish I could help you out more. PS. If there isn't a middle ground book, maybe you could write one once you gain your uber geekiness knowledge.> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:18:42 -0500> From: accessys at smart.net> To: k12osn at redhat.com> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Network unreachable.> > > I didn't change anything since It was last working> > I can ping the router> > other than that I wish I knew what you just said????> > I get so frustrated people either talk over my head or down to me> > why isn't there any place for someone who isn't a geek but does know a> fair amount about these machines. I've complained about this for> years, only two manuals are written.> 1 for dummies books> 2 uber geek.> > is it any wonder people put up with 2 hours on hold to be told it is> someeone else's fault.> > I'll get off my soapbox but it is probably the main reason Linux> doesn't spread.> > Bob> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Les Mikesell wrote:> > > Accessys at smart.net wrote:> > > had to shut my system down yesterday and when I rebooted everything> > > was working fine except accessing the network.> > >> > > keep getting the error code> > >> > > SIOCADDRT: network is unreachable> > >> > > I can ping my cards and the blinking lights on the router appear to be> > > correct. so what is this' I thought I had seen every error code> > > possible but then another. it really has me stumped, tried I think> > > all the standard fixes and am getting nowhere fast.> >> > If your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth? files don't have the> > right HWADDR to match your NIC cards (for example if you cloned a disk> > from a different machine or swapped cards after setup), the system can> > detect them in the wrong order and even use interfaces you had not set> > up. The 'mii-tool' command will show which interfaces have link active> > . If you can't ping your router, try checking one cable at at time to> > make sure you have link on the right interface name and that ifconfig> > shows that it has the expected IP address.> >> > --> > Les Mikesell> > lesmikesell at gmail.com> >> > _______________________________________________> > K12OSN mailing list> > K12OSN at redhat.com> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn> > For more info see > >> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary> safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob> .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net> .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers> .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right> *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#> THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be> privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named> > _______________________________________________> K12OSN mailing list> K12OSN at redhat.com> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn> For more info see _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Fri Feb 15 02:42:55 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:42:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: References: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1203043375.6663.637.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 20:18 -0500, Accessys at smart.net wrote: > I didn't change anything since It was last working Something changed that was activated when the system restarted. > > I can ping the router OK. So networking on the machine _IS_ running. By "ping the router" I'm assuming you can ping the IP address of the gateway machine/device (which is found by using the "netstat -rn" command and looking at the line that starts with 0.0.0.0 as the destination address and the gateway address will be the second IP address in the line.) So can you ping other places by name? A good tool to remember is "ping www.yahoo.com" because they don't close their ping response and it tests if you have working DNS capability. If that fails, try looking at a web site with a browser. If you can't do that by name but you know an IP address site and that works, then DNS is not working. Do you have correct data in /etc/resolv.conf? Is you Internet facing port working by static IP or DHCP? > > other than that I wish I knew what you just said???? > > I get so frustrated people either talk over my head or down to me Bugs the total freakin' bejezus out me when people ask for help, don't send enough info to help with, get their knickers in a twist because they don't have enough technical background to understand the help they got and then blame it all on the operating system they don't understand! Take a deep breath and learn a great thing here: Google is a really good starting place with error messages. Google _uses_ Linux. Just plop that error message into a Google search and let the power of a global search engine help lower your blood pressure. In short, something horked somewhere and you likely don't have a correct gateway setting. The following link is Google result #2 http://www.beowulf.org/pipermail/realtek/2000-February/000392.html > > why isn't there any place for someone who isn't a geek but does know a > fair amount about these machines. I've complained about this for > years, only two manuals are written. > 1 for dummies books > 2 uber geek. Get a better bookstore! I have a collection of OReilly books that is filling a bookcase alone. Plus dozens of other publishers as well. The indispensable book for Linux noobies (and old farts) is still "Running Linux" by Matt Welsh (Google it!). It must be on your bookshelf AND have dogeared pages :) I have my first edition and a second edition. It's not in it's fifth edition (2006). Also get a good book on the specific distro you are using. There isn't one on K12LTSP but there is a plenty on the Fedora and Redhat base that K12LTSP5 and 6 and 5EL are based on. Everything you need to know about generally running the system up to the point where a thin client is trying to boot up is covered in http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/ Will it make your head hurt? Yes. Will it be easy? No. Is it perhaps the most sophisticated computing platform on the freakin' planet? Yep! And _you_, and everyone else, can get it for no cash up front (www.centos.org, www.k12ltsp.org, fedora.redhat.com, www.debian.org, www.ubuntu.net, etc) and with a world of freedoms that don't prevent you from learning about the guts of all of it. All you have to do is learn, think and tinker. Pretty cool, huh?! > > is it any wonder people put up with 2 hours on hold to be told it is > someeone else's fault. > > I'll get off my soapbox but it is probably the main reason Linux > doesn't spread. You can dance naked with flowers in hair on your soap box all you want :) It won't stop the ongoing spread of Linux . Just ask on this list how many school kids see Linux every day at school. Ask any uber-geek at a bank back room IT facility when the boss isn't around about how many machines run Linux. Ask Wall Street if Linux is expanding. Ask the New York Stock Exchange. Call Microsoft ab out a problem with your Vista machine and see how long you wait for answer. > > Bob > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > Accessys at smart.net wrote: > > > had to shut my system down yesterday and when I rebooted everything > > > was working fine except accessing the network. > > > > > > keep getting the error code > > > > > > SIOCADDRT: network is unreachable > > > > > > I can ping my cards and the blinking lights on the router appear to be > > > correct. so what is this' I thought I had seen every error code > > > possible but then another. it really has me stumped, tried I think > > > all the standard fixes and am getting nowhere fast. > > > > If your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth? files don't have the > > right HWADDR to match your NIC cards (for example if you cloned a disk > > from a different machine or swapped cards after setup), the system can > > detect them in the wrong order and even use interfaces you had not set > > up. The 'mii-tool' command will show which interfaces have link active > > . If you can't ping your router, try checking one cable at at time to > > make sure you have link on the right interface name and that ifconfig > > shows that it has the expected IP address. > > > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob > .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net > .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . 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From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 15 03:02:29 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:02:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: References: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <47B500C5.8030903@futuresource.com> Accessys at smart.net wrote: > I didn't change anything since It was last working > > I can ping the router > > other than that I wish I knew what you just said???? SIOCADDRT means that when you tried to add a route, you didn't have access to the gateway. That could mean the interface wasn't up, the address was wrong or the netmask was wrong. I'd try: ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 to make it go through the motions again. If it is still the same try: traceroute -n some_internet_address and see how far your packets go. You can use "ifconfig" to see your configuration, "route" to see your routes (but they won't include the one that failed). Something must be wrong with the combination of your address, netmask and gateway setting. > I get so frustrated people either talk over my head or down to me > > why isn't there any place for someone who isn't a geek but does know a > fair amount about these machines. There's a lot learn and most people only bother when they are forced to. > I've complained about this for > years, only two manuals are written. > 1 for dummies books > 2 uber geek. The way to learn from something other than bad experience is to break things on purpose, then put them back together at a convenient time. > is it any wonder people put up with 2 hours on hold to be told it is > someeone else's fault. > > I'll get off my soapbox but it is probably the main reason Linux > doesn't spread. Everything breaks and this isn't more complicated than any other networking device. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From accessys at smart.net Fri Feb 15 03:09:54 2008 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:09:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: <1203043375.6663.637.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> <1203043375.6663.637.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: this is the part that bugs me. it is fixed and I don't have a clue what I did. I took out the second ethernet card the one that formerly was working. rebooted the computer and restarted the router and it is working??? you see I'm not really a newbie at this, been running linux personally since Red Hat 6 or so about 8 years. I have every one of the books you mention and spent at least a day on google, blackle, and yahoo not to mention a couple linux forums before I scream for help what bugs the dickens out of me is when the problem is intermittent and I can't figure out why. Networking is new, not Linux. and I know I have personally given out or set up 100's of systems. and I still say the same, if there is a book out there for the mid level semi skilled hacker I haven't found it. O'Rielly writes some good books but he doesn't write em for the non professional hacker. somewhere someone will write one for the person who understands how it works but doesn't do it all day every day but needs to troubleshoot and keep a system running, like a school teacher who has to actually teach classes on the side, has a family and a life. I just want to be able to look up an error code, find out what it means and how to fix it. thanks though Bob On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 20:18 -0500, Accessys at smart.net wrote: > > I didn't change anything since It was last working > Something changed that was activated when the system restarted. > > > > I can ping the router > > OK. So networking on the machine _IS_ running. By "ping the router" I'm > assuming you can ping the IP address of the gateway machine/device > (which is found by using the "netstat -rn" command and looking at the > line that starts with 0.0.0.0 as the destination address and the gateway > address will be the second IP address in the line.) > > So can you ping other places by name? A good tool to remember is "ping > www.yahoo.com" because they don't close their ping response and it tests > if you have working DNS capability. If that fails, try looking at a web > site with a browser. If you can't do that by name but you know an IP > address site and that works, then DNS is not working. Do you have > correct data in /etc/resolv.conf? Is you Internet facing port working by > static IP or DHCP? > > > > other than that I wish I knew what you just said???? > > > > I get so frustrated people either talk over my head or down to me > > Bugs the total freakin' bejezus out me when people ask for help, don't > send enough info to help with, get their knickers in a twist because > they don't have enough technical background to understand the help they > got and then blame it all on the operating system they don't understand! > > Take a deep breath and learn a great thing here: Google is a really good > starting place with error messages. Google _uses_ Linux. Just plop that > error message into a Google search and let the power of a global search > engine help lower your blood pressure. > > In short, something horked somewhere and you likely don't have a correct > gateway setting. The following link is Google result #2 > http://www.beowulf.org/pipermail/realtek/2000-February/000392.html > > > > why isn't there any place for someone who isn't a geek but does know a > > fair amount about these machines. I've complained about this for > > years, only two manuals are written. > > 1 for dummies books > > 2 uber geek. > > Get a better bookstore! I have a collection of OReilly books that is > filling a bookcase alone. Plus dozens of other publishers as well. > > The indispensable book for Linux noobies (and old farts) is still > "Running Linux" by Matt Welsh (Google it!). It must be on your bookshelf > AND have dogeared pages :) I have my first edition and a second edition. > It's not in it's fifth edition (2006). > > Also get a good book on the specific distro you are using. There isn't > one on K12LTSP but there is a plenty on the Fedora and Redhat base that > K12LTSP5 and 6 and 5EL are based on. Everything you need to know about > generally running the system up to the point where a thin client is > trying to boot up is covered in http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/ > > Will it make your head hurt? Yes. Will it be easy? No. Is it perhaps the > most sophisticated computing platform on the freakin' planet? Yep! > > And _you_, and everyone else, can get it for no cash up front > (www.centos.org, www.k12ltsp.org, fedora.redhat.com, www.debian.org, > www.ubuntu.net, etc) and with a world of freedoms that don't prevent you > from learning about the guts of all of it. All you have to do is learn, > think and tinker. Pretty cool, huh?! > > > > > > is it any wonder people put up with 2 hours on hold to be told it is > > someeone else's fault. > > > > I'll get off my soapbox but it is probably the main reason Linux > > doesn't spread. > > You can dance naked with flowers in hair on your soap box all you > want :) It won't stop the ongoing spread of Linux . Just ask on this > list how many school kids see Linux every day at school. Ask any > uber-geek at a bank back room IT facility when the boss isn't around > about how many machines run Linux. Ask Wall Street if Linux is > expanding. Ask the New York Stock Exchange. > > Call Microsoft ab out a problem with your Vista machine and see how long > you wait for answer. > > > > Bob > > > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > > Accessys at smart.net wrote: > > > > had to shut my system down yesterday and when I rebooted everything > > > > was working fine except accessing the network. > > > > > > > > keep getting the error code > > > > > > > > SIOCADDRT: network is unreachable > > > > > > > > I can ping my cards and the blinking lights on the router appear to be > > > > correct. so what is this' I thought I had seen every error code > > > > possible but then another. it really has me stumped, tried I think > > > > all the standard fixes and am getting nowhere fast. > > > > > > If your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth? files don't have the > > > right HWADDR to match your NIC cards (for example if you cloned a disk > > > from a different machine or swapped cards after setup), the system can > > > detect them in the wrong order and even use interfaces you had not set > > > up. The 'mii-tool' command will show which interfaces have link active > > > . If you can't ping your router, try checking one cable at at time to > > > make sure you have link on the right interface name and that ifconfig > > > shows that it has the expected IP address. > > > > > > -- > > > Les Mikesell > > > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob > > .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net > > .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers > > .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right > > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > -- > James P. Kinney III > CEO & Director of Engineering > Local Net Solutions,LLC > 770-493-8244 > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From accessys at smart.net Fri Feb 15 03:17:40 2008 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:17:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: <47B500C5.8030903@futuresource.com> References: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> <47B500C5.8030903@futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Les Mikesell wrote: > Accessys at smart.net wrote: > > I didn't change anything since It was last working > > > > I can ping the router > > > > other than that I wish I knew what you just said???? > > SIOCADDRT means that when you tried to add a route, you didn't have > access to the gateway. That could mean the interface wasn't up, the > address was wrong or the netmask was wrong. thanks, I didn't know that but. > I'd try: > ifdown eth0 > ifup eth0 > to make it go through the motions again. If it is still the same try: > traceroute -n some_internet_address > and see how far your packets go. I have done all of the above. BTW. I unplugged one of the cards, rebooted and restarted the router and it works. ??? but I don't know why. > You can use "ifconfig" to see your configuration, "route" to see your > routes (but they won't include the one that failed). Something must be ah, I did that but I didn't realize the one that was failing wouldn't show up. > wrong with the combination of your address, netmask and gateway setting. I've tried ever combination > > I get so frustrated people either talk over my head or down to me > > > > why isn't there any place for someone who isn't a geek but does know a > > fair amount about these machines. > > There's a lot learn and most people only bother when they are forced to. unfortunately your right. > > I've complained about this for > > years, only two manuals are written. > > 1 for dummies books > > 2 uber geek. > > The way to learn from something other than bad experience is to break > things on purpose, then put them back together at a convenient time. I don't have a spare system to break all the time, maybe I ought to find one. > > is it any wonder people put up with 2 hours on hold to be told it is > > someeone else's fault. > > > > I'll get off my soapbox but it is probably the main reason Linux > > doesn't spread. > > Everything breaks and this isn't more complicated than any other > networking device. I'm new to networking, not computers, I've been on the internet since the early 70's when it didn't even have a name, and the computer I was using was a Univac 1108. so I've had more than my share of frustrations. Networking is new, not Linux, not the internet. thanks for the help, really Bob +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From accessys at smart.net Fri Feb 15 03:30:23 2008 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:30:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: References: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> Message-ID: yes I was getting very very frustrated. I appologize to the entire list for letting it overflow where it shouldn't have Bob On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, jones yeates wrote: > > Careful Bob, it might be a reason why you might not get help on this issue too. =] > > I can understand your frustration, but Les was just trying to help. He probably doesn't know your level of understanding and he doesn't know exactly what your situation is either. He was trying to give you something to try out. Plus if you don't understand, then ask and this listserv is pretty good at explaining things. > > If your computer can ping the router, then maybe the problem isn't on your machine. Maybe its happening from your router or beyond. I have no idea what happened, so I'm just throwing an idea out. That's what happened to me 2 days ago. I thought it was my server, but it was the school's network that was causing my connection issues. > > Good luck and I hope you get it working. I wish I could help you out more. > > PS. If there isn't a middle ground book, maybe you could write one once you gain your uber geekiness knowledge.> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:18:42 -0500> From: accessys at smart.net> To: k12osn at redhat.com> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Network unreachable.> > > I didn't change anything since It was last working> > I can ping the router> > other than that I wish I knew what you just said????> > I get so frustrated people either talk over my head or down to me> > why isn't there any place for someone who isn't a geek but does know a> fair amount about these machines. I've complained about this for> years, only two manuals are written.> 1 for dummies books> 2 uber geek.> > is it any wonder people put up with 2 hours on hold to be told it is> someeone else's fault.> > I'll get off my soapbox but it is probably the main reason Linux> doesn't spread.> > Bob> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Les Mikesell wrote:> > > Accessys at smart.net wrote:> > > had to shut my system down yesterday and when I rebooted everything> > > was working fine except accessing the network.> > >> > > keep getting the error code> > >> > > SIOCADDRT: network is unreachable> > >> > > I can ping my cards and the blinking lights on the router appear to be> > > correct. so what is this' I thought I had seen every error code> > > possible but then another. it really has me stumped, tried I think> > > all the standard fixes and am getting nowhere fast.> >> > If your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth? files don't have the> > right HWADDR to match your NIC cards (for example if you cloned a disk> > from a different machine or swapped cards after setup), the system can> > detect them in the wrong order and even use interfaces you had not set> > up. The 'mii-tool' command will show which interfaces have link active> > . If you can't ping your router, try checking one cable at at time to> > make sure you have link on the right interface name and that ifconfig> > shows that it has the expected IP address.> >> > --> > Les Mikesell> > lesmikesell at gmail.com> >> > _______________________________________________> > K12OSN mailing list> > K12OSN at redhat.com> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn> > For more info see > >> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary> safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob> .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net> .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named> > _______________________________________________> K12OSN mailing list> K12OSN at redhat.com> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn> For more info see > _________________________________________________________________ > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . 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Barr wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Peter Hartmann > wrote: > > How did they compile the first complier? (cue: chicken-or-the-egg > > jokes) I'm curious. > > Rear Admiral Dr. Grace Murray Hopper and her team developed the first > compiler, in assembly language, to convert symbolic math code into > machine code. It was called A-O, ~1949. ( > http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/tap/Files/hopper-story.html ) AFAICT > NELIAC ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NELIAC ) was the first > bootstrappable compiler ~10 years later. > > -dhbarr. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From timlegge at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 05:37:23 2008 From: timlegge at gmail.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:37:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: References: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> <1203043375.6663.637.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Accessys at smart.net wrote: > > this is the part that bugs me. it is fixed and I don't have a clue > what I did. I took out the second ethernet card the one that formerly > was working. rebooted the computer and restarted the router and it is > working??? Hi I put this out there every so often so it might help people other than me. I have seen two cases where an onboard NIC (Network Interface card) stopped working. In both cases the fix was the same. Unplug all sources of power from the PC, remove the battery and wait server minutes. The second time I saw it no one believed it was the issue but I asked them to humour me. They were somewhat surprised (as I was the first time it worked for me)... Tim From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 10:03:24 2008 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:03:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: References: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> <1203043375.6663.637.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <47B5636C.5020408@gmail.com> Accessys at smart.net wrote: > this is the part that bugs me. it is fixed and I don't have a clue > what I did. I took out the second ethernet card the one that formerly > was working. rebooted the computer and restarted the router and it is > working??? > > you see I'm not really a newbie at this, been running linux personally > since Red Hat 6 or so about 8 years. I have every one of the books > you mention and spent at least a day on google, blackle, and yahoo not > to mention a couple linux forums before I scream for help > > what bugs the dickens out of me is when the problem is intermittent > and I can't figure out why. Networking is new, not Linux. and I > know I have personally given out or set up 100's of systems. > The problem seems to be, as you say, your unfamiliarity with networking rather than *any* operating system. The best intro text on TCP/IP IMHO is volume I (don't bother with the other volumes, they are more for developers) of Doug Comer's "Internetworking with TCP/IP". Highly recommended; I have had every edition since the first and it gets updated regularly as new standards come out. With a good understanding of networking, you can develop your own diagnostic tests for use with *any* operating system. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri Feb 15 14:10:04 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:10:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: [Ltsp-discuss] FYI: maddog speaking about thin clients] Message-ID: <47B59D3C.7010102@scheie.homedns.org> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] FYI: maddog speaking about thin clients Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:21:54 +0200 From: Asmo Koskinen Reply-To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net FYI: maddog speaking about thin clients "The second video is an excerpt of maddog speaking to about 180 people at the Florida Linux Show on February 11. This video is a bit over 22 minutes -- and worth every bit of that time." http://www.linux.com/feature/126961 Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _____________________________________________________________________ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 15 14:23:24 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:23:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache2 and index.php or index.html Message-ID: <47B54BFB.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Hi gang! On a debian install, apache2, I cannot get it to display index.html or index.php when they are in documentroot. Only when they are in a directory called /var/www/apache2-default. If I have them in /var/www which is the document root, they will not display using http://sitename/ but they will display if you enter http://sitename/index.html or index.php. Where can I go look for the setting to fix this? Apache2 is far different from 1 as far as configuration! Thanks for any assistance! Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us From nils at breun.nl Fri Feb 15 14:31:29 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:31:29 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache2 and index.php or index.html In-Reply-To: <47B54BFB.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47B54BFB.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: Doug Simpson wrote: > Hi gang! > > On a debian install, apache2, I cannot get it to display index.html > or index.php when they are in documentroot. Only when they are in a > directory called /var/www/apache2-default. > > If I have them in /var/www which is the document root, they will not > display using http://sitename/ but they will display if you enter http://sitename/index.html > or index.php. > > Where can I go look for the setting to fix this? > > Apache2 is far different from 1 as far as configuration! http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryindex (This worked the same under Apache 1.3 by the way: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_dir.html ) Nils Breunese. From accessys at smart.net Fri Feb 15 14:38:15 2008 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:38:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: References: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> <1203043375.6663.637.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: didn't take the battery out but this makes as much or more sense than everything else I tried, part of it is that this happened once before and I switched this card in and it solved the problem... beginning to think every time I shut down I'll have to swap out the cards?!?!?!?! thanks you reassured me that I wasn't totally insane! Bob On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Timothy Legge wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Accessys at smart.net wrote: > > > > this is the part that bugs me. it is fixed and I don't have a clue > > what I did. I took out the second ethernet card the one that formerly > > was working. rebooted the computer and restarted the router and it is > > working??? > > Hi > > I put this out there every so often so it might help people other than > me. I have seen two cases where an onboard NIC (Network Interface > card) stopped working. In both cases the fix was the same. Unplug > all sources of power from the PC, remove the battery and wait server > minutes. > > The second time I saw it no one believed it was the issue but I asked > them to humour me. They were somewhat surprised (as I was the first > time it worked for me)... > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From asmo.koskinen at arkki.info Fri Feb 15 14:37:05 2008 From: asmo.koskinen at arkki.info (Asmo Koskinen) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:37:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache2 and index.php or index.html In-Reply-To: <47B54BFB.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47B54BFB.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <47B5A391.5060104@arkki.info> Doug Simpson kirjoitti: > Where can I go look for the setting to fix this? > I really like all the stuff you can find on the HowtoForge. There is lot's of Debian/Apache2 howtos. Examples: http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_debian_lamp_server http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p6 Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 15 14:42:44 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:42:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache2 and index.php or index.html In-Reply-To: References: <47B54BFB.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <47B55083.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> As far as I can tell, the directoryindex is set correctly. It contains index.html index.php index.xhtml But, it is set in the 000-default directory. When I try to open it from a browser without the index.php or index.html, the browser presents me with a "save File" dialog, with "" for the filename and it doesn't list any file to be saved. I will never have more than one virtual host on this machine so is there a way to get rid of all the virtualhost stuff and get to a simple single setup? Could it be that the default and the 000-default are two different virtual hosts? If so, where would I find the directoryindex for the default site? Thanks! Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Nils Breunese 2/15/2008 8:31 AM >>> Doug Simpson wrote: > Hi gang! > > On a debian install, apache2, I cannot get it to display index.html > or index.php when they are in documentroot. Only when they are in a > directory called /var/www/apache2-default. > > If I have them in /var/www which is the document root, they will not > display using http://sitename/ but they will display if you enter http://sitename/index.html > or index.php. > > Where can I go look for the setting to fix this? > > Apache2 is far different from 1 as far as configuration! http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryindex (This worked the same under Apache 1.3 by the way: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_dir.html ) Nils Breunese. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 15 14:58:29 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:58:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache2 and index.php or index.html In-Reply-To: References: <47B54BFB.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <47B55434.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> at the /etc/apache2 prompt, if I do: grep -r DirectoryIndex * it finds it in two places, mods-available and mods-enabled and both have the right settings. But it still doesn't work without keying the index.html or index.php into the browser after the hostname like http://hostname/index.php Any other ideas? Thanks! Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Nils Breunese 2/15/2008 8:31 AM >>> Doug Simpson wrote: > Hi gang! > > On a debian install, apache2, I cannot get it to display index.html > or index.php when they are in documentroot. Only when they are in a > directory called /var/www/apache2-default. > > If I have them in /var/www which is the document root, they will not > display using http://sitename/ but they will display if you enter http://sitename/index.html > or index.php. > > Where can I go look for the setting to fix this? > > Apache2 is far different from 1 as far as configuration! http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryindex (This worked the same under Apache 1.3 by the way: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_dir.html ) Nils Breunese. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 15 15:12:18 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:12:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache2 and index.php or index.html In-Reply-To: References: <47B54BFB.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <47B55771.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Apparently, apache2 doesn't like index.html and index.php being in the same directory. . . I deleted the index.html and it works now. . . go figure. . . Thanks for your help! Doug P.S. the web server filesystem was directly copied from another server that was working fine as it was. The old one was also running apache2. Wonder what is different between the two. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Nils Breunese 2/15/2008 8:31 AM >>> Doug Simpson wrote: > Hi gang! > > On a debian install, apache2, I cannot get it to display index.html > or index.php when they are in documentroot. Only when they are in a > directory called /var/www/apache2-default. > > If I have them in /var/www which is the document root, they will not > display using http://sitename/ but they will display if you enter http://sitename/index.html > or index.php. > > Where can I go look for the setting to fix this? > > Apache2 is far different from 1 as far as configuration! http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryindex (This worked the same under Apache 1.3 by the way: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_dir.html ) Nils Breunese. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Fri Feb 15 15:35:25 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:35:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: References: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> <1203043375.6663.637.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1203089725.6663.684.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> This is beginning to sound like a module loading issue. Because you are swapping out cards presumably with different drivers and certainly with different MAC addresses, each change will require updating the configuration of the devices. I am unclear on what distro you are running. Second note. Modules get loaded in the order they are found in a file called /etc/modules.conf (for current systems. Older systems used /etc/conf.modules). However many motherboards try to power on devices based on bus ID. That is typically done low number to high based on slot location physically relative to the CPU location. So the top pci slot is 0, the next one down is 1. But some boards do this in reverse (high to low). So the removal of the second nic causes the first nic to function properly which suggests the configuration of the second is out of order, has the wrong MAC on both, or all of the above. The mii-tool mentioned earlier will give you data on the interface specifics as well as providing a means to adjust hardware settings (like full-duplex, etc). On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 09:38 -0500, Accessys at smart.net wrote: > didn't take the battery out but this makes as much or more sense than > everything else I tried, part of it is that this happened once > before and I switched this card in and it solved the problem... > beginning to think every time I shut down I'll have to swap out the > cards?!?!?!?! > > thanks you reassured me that I wasn't totally insane! > > Bob > > On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Timothy Legge wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Accessys at smart.net wrote: > > > > > > this is the part that bugs me. it is fixed and I don't have a clue > > > what I did. I took out the second ethernet card the one that formerly > > > was working. rebooted the computer and restarted the router and it is > > > working??? > > > > Hi > > > > I put this out there every so often so it might help people other than > > me. I have seen two cases where an onboard NIC (Network Interface > > card) stopped working. In both cases the fix was the same. Unplug > > all sources of power from the PC, remove the battery and wait server > > minutes. > > > > The second time I saw it no one believed it was the issue but I asked > > them to humour me. They were somewhat surprised (as I was the first > > time it worked for me)... > > > > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob > .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net > .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers > .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 15 16:37:54 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:37:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: <1203089725.6663.684.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> <1203043375.6663.637.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <1203089725.6663.684.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <47B5BFE2.2010902@futuresource.com> James P. Kinney III wrote: > This is beginning to sound like a module loading issue. Because you are > swapping out cards presumably with different drivers and certainly with > different MAC addresses, each change will require updating the > configuration of the devices. I am unclear on what distro you are > running. > > Second note. Modules get loaded in the order they are found in a file > called /etc/modules.conf (for current systems. Older systems > used /etc/conf.modules). However many motherboards try to power on > devices based on bus ID. That is typically done low number to high based > on slot location physically relative to the CPU location. So the top pci > slot is 0, the next one down is 1. But some boards do this in reverse > (high to low). So the removal of the second nic causes the first nic to > function properly which suggests the configuration of the second is out > of order, has the wrong MAC on both, or all of the above. The mii-tool > mentioned earlier will give you data on the interface specifics as well > as providing a means to adjust hardware settings (like full-duplex, > etc). In recent 2.6 kernels (Centos 5.x, probably FC6), at least some of the device detection operations happen in parallel to speed up booting. A side effect is that which nic is initially called eth0/eth1 (etc.) is essentially random even if you have modules specified in modprobe.conf for certain types. However, when the configuration is applied as the network is started, if the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth? has HWADDR= values that match, the corresponding interface is renamed and used. If you use the GUI tools to set up the interfaces or they haven'b been changed since the initial install, the HWADDR addresses should be correct. If you copy a working machine to a new server or swap NIC cards you have to fix the HWADDR to match. Earlier kernels didn't require this because you could count on the device detection to always happen in the same order and the matching ifcfg-eth? would be applied even if you removed the HWADDR entry. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Feb 15 17:28:28 2008 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:28:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache2 and index.php or index.html In-Reply-To: <47B55434.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E20578@MAILBE2.westat.com> Doug Simpson wrote: > On a debian install, apache2, I cannot get it to display index.html > or index.php when they are in documentroot. Only when they are in a > directory called /var/www/apache2-default. > > If I have them in /var/www which is the document root, they will not > display using http://sitename/ but they will display if you enter http://sitename/index.html > or index.php. > > Where can I go look for the setting to fix this? > > Apache2 is far different from 1 as far as configuration! Just out of curiosity, if you turn off SELinux does the behavior change? -- Henry From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 15 18:44:48 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:44:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache2 and index.php or index.html Message-ID: <47B589400200007800005570@leopards.k12.ar.us> Tell me how to turn off selinux. . . I want to do that anyway! DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> "Henry Hartley" 02/15/08 11:28 AM >>> Doug Simpson wrote: > On a debian install, apache2, I cannot get it to display index.html > or index.php when they are in documentroot. Only when they are in a > directory called /var/www/apache2-default. > > If I have them in /var/www which is the document root, they will not > display using http://sitename/ but they will display if you enter http://sitename/index.html > or index.php. > > Where can I go look for the setting to fix this? > > Apache2 is far different from 1 as far as configuration! Just out of curiosity, if you turn off SELinux does the behavior change? -- Henry _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 15 19:04:06 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:04:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Network unreachable. In-Reply-To: References: <47B4BEB5.1020309@futuresource.com> <1203043375.6663.637.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <47B5E226.9080506@futuresource.com> Accessys at smart.net wrote: > didn't take the battery out but this makes as much or more sense than > everything else I tried, part of it is that this happened once > before and I switched this card in and it solved the problem... > beginning to think every time I shut down I'll have to swap out the > cards?!?!?!?! > > thanks you reassured me that I wasn't totally insane! If you could ping anything at all, that wasn't your problem. I'd recommend getting a printout of the output of mii-tool, ifconfig, and route -n while things are working - or mail them to yourself on some other system for reference. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nils at breun.nl Fri Feb 15 19:25:37 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:25:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache2 and index.php or index.html In-Reply-To: <47B589400200007800005570@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47B589400200007800005570@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <409FC7D1-B79F-4D9D-B3B3-79A6D964B1A5@breun.nl> Doug Simpson wrote: > Tell me how to turn off selinux. . . I want to do that anyway! Google 'disable selinux'. Also, for problems with Apache 2 on Debian this list is maybe not the best place to ask. (Not that we're unwilling to help.) Nils Breunese. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 15 20:02:11 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:02:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache2 and index.php or index.html In-Reply-To: <409FC7D1-B79F-4D9D-B3B3-79A6D964B1A5@breun.nl> References: <47B589400200007800005570@leopards.k12.ar.us> <409FC7D1-B79F-4D9D-B3B3-79A6D964B1A5@breun.nl> Message-ID: <47B59B63.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Well, you guys are the best, and I figured apache2 was apache2 no matter the distro. . . Thanks for all your help! Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Nils Breunese 2/15/2008 1:25 PM >>> Doug Simpson wrote: > Tell me how to turn off selinux. . . I want to do that anyway! Google 'disable selinux'. Also, for problems with Apache 2 on Debian this list is maybe not the best place to ask. (Not that we're unwilling to help.) Nils Breunese. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From chan at sacredsf.org Fri Feb 15 20:08:32 2008 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:08:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: history In-Reply-To: <9bd317560802141503q3a6d4c7fn718c5205ad6c3440@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17732516.2521203106112783.JavaMail.root@irving.ewind.com> Do any of you old timers still remember how to program in assembler? How about toggle switches to load a paper tape loader? -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Director of Technology Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 ----- "Peter Hartmann" wrote: > Oh right....I forgot about assembly. Thanks all. > From julius at turtle.com Fri Feb 15 20:31:12 2008 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:31:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: history In-Reply-To: <17732516.2521203106112783.JavaMail.root@irving.ewind.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Hoover Chan wrote: > Do any of you old timers still remember how to program in assembler? How about toggle switches to load a paper tape loader? > Sure do. I even have my trusty silver nail for quick edits of the tapes. julius From caldodge at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 21:09:56 2008 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:09:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: history In-Reply-To: <17732516.2521203106112783.JavaMail.root@irving.ewind.com> References: <9bd317560802141503q3a6d4c7fn718c5205ad6c3440@mail.gmail.com> <17732516.2521203106112783.JavaMail.root@irving.ewind.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0802151309n4d610e0cn711564caace62ed5@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Hoover Chan wrote: > Do any of you old timers still remember how to program in assembler? How about toggle switches to load a paper tape loader? Toggle switches: check (loaded OS from tape, not paper) Assembler: check (Z-80, 6809, 68000) I remember being thrilled that since my first TRS-80 was a used one, I paid as much for a 16K machine ($400) as I would have for a new 4K one (new 16K Level One Basic systems were $600. So ... 12K difference for $200. And now DDR2 is around $25/gigabyte. It's memories like that which remind me of Weird Al's "When I Was Your Age", as well as Monty Python's "Four Yorkshiremen". Calvin From accessys at smart.net Sat Feb 16 00:49:27 2008 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:49:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: history In-Reply-To: <17732516.2521203106112783.JavaMail.root@irving.ewind.com> References: <17732516.2521203106112783.JavaMail.root@irving.ewind.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Hoover Chan wrote: > Do any of you old timers still remember how to program in assembler? How about toggle switches to load a paper tape loader? well not an assembler, but I sure used paper tape enough, might be a bit rusty but probably would have less trouble with it than I've had with this DSL modem and router......LOL Bob > > -------------------------------------------------- > Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org > Director of Technology > Schools of the Sacred Heart > 2222 Broadway St. > San Francisco, CA 94115 > > ----- "Peter Hartmann" wrote: > > > Oh right....I forgot about assembly. Thanks all. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From accessys at smart.net Sat Feb 16 00:56:25 2008 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:56:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: history In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0802151309n4d610e0cn711564caace62ed5@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560802141503q3a6d4c7fn718c5205ad6c3440@mail.gmail.com> <17732516.2521203106112783.JavaMail.root@irving.ewind.com> <824a5f7a0802151309n4d610e0cn711564caace62ed5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: yes, I remember my first modem was 16.5baud. paid $500 for a 2400 baud modem and thought I had died and gone to heaven... my first personal computer was a $2,000 Victor 9000 with 256k ram and two 5inch floppy drives.....the 10mg hard drive was optional and $500. (which I still have and it still operates.) we've come a long way. Bob On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Calvin Dodge wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Hoover Chan wrote: > > Do any of you old timers still remember how to program in assembler? How about toggle switches to load a paper tape loader? > > Toggle switches: check (loaded OS from tape, not paper) > Assembler: check (Z-80, 6809, 68000) > > I remember being thrilled that since my first TRS-80 was a used one, I > paid as much for a 16K machine ($400) as I would have for a new 4K one > (new 16K Level One Basic systems were $600. > > So ... 12K difference for $200. And now DDR2 is around $25/gigabyte. > > It's memories like that which remind me of Weird Al's "When I Was Your > Age", as well as Monty Python's "Four Yorkshiremen". > > Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From nils at breun.nl Sat Feb 16 19:34:05 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:34:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache2 and index.php or index.html In-Reply-To: <47B59B63.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47B589400200007800005570@leopards.k12.ar.us> <409FC7D1-B79F-4D9D-B3B3-79A6D964B1A5@breun.nl> <47B59B63.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: Doug Simpson wrote: > Well, you guys are the best, and I figured apache2 was apache2 no > matter the distro. . . When it comes to Apache I'm afraid we're not the best as Apache is not something you necessarily use when running an LTSP server. And Apache 2 is not Apache 2 no matter what the distro. Debian uses /etc/apache2 for configuration, Red Hat uses /etc/httpd, Apache on Debian runs as www-data, Apache on Red Hat runs as apache, etc. The configuration directives are the same though of course. Maybe http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ can help you out better or otherwise an apache-related mailinglist or forum. Nils Breunese. From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sun Feb 17 03:59:08 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:59:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache2 and index.php or index.html In-Reply-To: <47B54BFB.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47B54BFB.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1203220748.3354.3.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> you need a directive DirectoryIndex index.html index.php in the main server config _OUTSIDE_ of the directory sections. This will set it as the defaults to use. It is order specific so if you want php first, list it first. If you want it different inside a specifi directory, you can change with a DirectoryIndex index.htm index.php index.html On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 08:23 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: > Hi gang! > > On a debian install, apache2, I cannot get it to display index.html or index.php when they are in documentroot. Only when they are in a directory called /var/www/apache2-default. > > If I have them in /var/www which is the document root, they will not display using http://sitename/ but they will display if you enter http://sitename/index.html or index.php. > > Where can I go look for the setting to fix this? > > Apache2 is far different from 1 as far as configuration! > > Thanks for any assistance! > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sun Feb 17 04:01:18 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:01:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache2 and index.php or index.html In-Reply-To: <47B589400200007800005570@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47B589400200007800005570@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1203220878.3354.7.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Look in /etc/selinux. There is a file called config (in redhat style systems) that you can edit to "disabled" from "enforcing" and then reboot the machine. On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 12:44 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: > Tell me how to turn off selinux. . . I want to do that anyway! > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >>> "Henry Hartley" 02/15/08 11:28 AM >>> > Doug Simpson wrote: > > On a debian install, apache2, I cannot get it to display index.html > > or index.php when they are in documentroot. Only when they are in a > > directory called /var/www/apache2-default. > > > > If I have them in /var/www which is the document root, they will not > > display using http://sitename/ but they will display if you enter > http://sitename/index.html > > or index.php. > > > > Where can I go look for the setting to fix this? > > > > Apache2 is far different from 1 as far as configuration! > > Just out of curiosity, if you turn off SELinux does the behavior change? > > -- > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sun Feb 17 04:13:34 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:13:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: history In-Reply-To: <17732516.2521203106112783.JavaMail.root@irving.ewind.com> References: <17732516.2521203106112783.JavaMail.root@irving.ewind.com> Message-ID: <1203221614.3354.19.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> How many people learned to keep an eye on the card reader so no one could sneak by and slip in a blank card in your stack during crunch time before a program was due? I had toggle switches to program the whole stinking thing. 8 rows of 8 switches, a single switch as an "enter" switch and a light that flashed to indicate the 8 bytes had been received. Didn't have a tape reader on the main data collector but it did write to paper tape (industrial control computer for taking machine floor samples of a multitude of sensors during fabrication of large and medium power transformers) which could be read by a separate machine that crunched numbers into a plotter using the special, uniform density plotter paper. Then I could cut out the curve shape (literally with a pair of scissors) and weigh the curve as a method of computing the integral of the curve (find the area under the curve). The machine was rarely restarted since it took most of a full day for 2 people to key in the hundreds of bytes to run the thing. I LOVE MY LINUX MACHINES!!!! :) On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 12:08 -0800, Hoover Chan wrote: > Do any of you old timers still remember how to program in assembler? How about toggle switches to load a paper tape loader? > > -------------------------------------------------- > Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org > Director of Technology > Schools of the Sacred Heart > 2222 Broadway St. > San Francisco, CA 94115 > > ----- "Peter Hartmann" wrote: > > > Oh right....I forgot about assembly. Thanks all. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Feb 17 17:11:09 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:11:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] bin files change on reboot Message-ID: <56230.192.168.254.3.1203268269.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello List, This is kind of a weird scenario. On an FC5 K12ltsp server I set up at some peoples house over a year ago. I know this server has been hacked into some time back as I can see by the rkhunter logs for some time. I view it from time to time remotely via Webmin. What happens on this server is each time it gets rebooted ( which is not very often) other than over this weekend due to ice storm/power outage here), there are a few bin files that end up being the wrong date/and the wrong file sizes. Most everything still works OK other than lots of behind the scenes things, such as if I simply do a 'uname -a ' I get segmentation fault and if i try to use the zip program i get errors. I took and copyed from a good FC5 server the bin files and placed onto this particular server,so when this happens I explained to them how to copy paste the good bin/files into the /bin folder each time they end up having to reboot this server. Once the correct bin files are copyed into the bin folder then there are no more segmentation faults and the zip program functions correctly,etc.I still have not figured out "were" these files come from each time this server is rebooted? This server runs rock solid and they really don't need to update to anything newer as they just use it to web browse and email thing. BTW; i did delete a couple diretories that had been added with some sort of system scanner files to ftp out to a remote server some time back ,thinking this may have been the resolve for this. No Joy:(. Anyone have any ideas were to look? Thanks, Barry Cisna From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 17:49:13 2008 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:49:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bin files change on reboot In-Reply-To: <56230.192.168.254.3.1203268269.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <56230.192.168.254.3.1203268269.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: You need to reformat and re-install, it's the only way to be sure. If has been hacked, it's probably doing all sorts of nasty suff on the Internet. On 2/17/08, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > This is kind of a weird scenario. On an FC5 K12ltsp server I set up at > some peoples house over a year ago. I know this server has been hacked > into some time back as I can see by the rkhunter logs for some time. I > view it from time to time remotely via Webmin. What happens on this server > is each time it gets rebooted ( which is not very often) other than over > this weekend due to ice storm/power outage here), there are a few bin > files that end up being the wrong date/and the wrong file sizes. Most > everything still works OK other than lots of behind the scenes things, > such as if I simply do a 'uname -a ' I get segmentation fault and if i try > to use the zip program i get errors. I took and copyed from a good FC5 > server the bin files and placed onto this particular server,so when this > happens I explained to them how to copy paste the good bin/files into the > /bin folder each time they end up having to reboot this server. Once the > correct bin files are copyed into the bin folder then there are no more > segmentation faults and the zip program functions correctly,etc.I still > have not figured out "were" these files come from each time this server is > rebooted? This server runs rock solid and they really don't need to update > to anything newer as they just use it to web browse and email thing. > BTW; i did delete a couple diretories that had been added with some sort > of system scanner files to ftp out to a remote server some time back > ,thinking this may have been the resolve for this. No Joy:(. > Anyone have any ideas were to look? > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Sent from my mobile device Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools From nils at breun.nl Sun Feb 17 22:39:50 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:39:50 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] bin files change on reboot In-Reply-To: References: <56230.192.168.254.3.1203268269.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <7592FF18-044D-42A8-BA14-E41A81041BB0@breun.nl> Ryan Collins wrote: > You need to reformat and re-install, it's the only way to be sure. > > If has been hacked, it's probably doing all sorts of nasty suff on > the Internet. +1 I think it's already somewhat irresponsible to put a machine online that runs an EOL'd OS, but if you *know* it's been hacked then you really need to reinstall this one. I can recommend K12LTSP 5EL. Nils Breunese. > On 2/17/08, Barry Cisna wrote: >> Hello List, >> >> This is kind of a weird scenario. On an FC5 K12ltsp server I set up >> at >> some peoples house over a year ago. I know this server has been >> hacked >> into some time back as I can see by the rkhunter logs for some >> time. I >> view it from time to time remotely via Webmin. What happens on this >> server >> is each time it gets rebooted ( which is not very often) other than >> over >> this weekend due to ice storm/power outage here), there are a few bin >> files that end up being the wrong date/and the wrong file sizes. Most >> everything still works OK other than lots of behind the scenes >> things, >> such as if I simply do a 'uname -a ' I get segmentation fault and >> if i try >> to use the zip program i get errors. I took and copyed from a good >> FC5 >> server the bin files and placed onto this particular server,so when >> this >> happens I explained to them how to copy paste the good bin/files >> into the >> /bin folder each time they end up having to reboot this server. >> Once the >> correct bin files are copyed into the bin folder then there are no >> more >> segmentation faults and the zip program functions correctly,etc.I >> still >> have not figured out "were" these files come from each time this >> server is >> rebooted? This server runs rock solid and they really don't need to >> update >> to anything newer as they just use it to web browse and email thing. >> BTW; i did delete a couple diretories that had been added with some >> sort >> of system scanner files to ftp out to a remote server some time back >> ,thinking this may have been the resolve for this. No Joy:(. >> Anyone have any ideas were to look? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Barry Cisna From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Feb 18 00:31:31 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:31:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bin files change on reboot In-Reply-To: <7592FF18-044D-42A8-BA14-E41A81041BB0@breun.nl> References: <56230.192.168.254.3.1203268269.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <7592FF18-044D-42A8-BA14-E41A81041BB0@breun.nl> Message-ID: <1203294691.3354.37.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 23:39 +0100, Nils Breunese wrote: > Ryan Collins wrote: > > > You need to reformat and re-install, it's the only way to be sure. > > > > If has been hacked, it's probably doing all sorts of nasty suff on > > the Internet. > > +1 +1M Get that box off line instantly. It the user won't do it and you are responsible for it, turn off networking and change root password. Linux machines are incredibly powerful systems and one hack job can result in an indescribable amount of mayhem elsewhere. Since the machine is using rpm packages, you can find the trojaned binaries by running "rpm -VA" and then the compromised binaries are the files with the changed MD5 sum fields in the output. Read "man rpm" for details in the verify section. Even if you find the bad binaries, you will likely NOT solve the problem by fixing them. This is where good admin skills (have /home on a separate partition are essential) will keep your people from wanting to strangle you because the ONLY WAY TO CLEAN THIS UP IS TO ERASE THE DRIVE. Sorry for the shouting. I spent several weeks meticulously chasing and cleaning a machine that was compromised only to have it instantly re-compromised when finally put back online (with upgraded plugged-holes binaries) because there was a hidden file buried that I missed (/dev/ or something similar) that reloaded the bad stuff once the system was networked again. > > I think it's already somewhat irresponsible to put a machine online > that runs an EOL'd OS, but if you *know* it's been hacked then you > really need to reinstall this one. I can recommend K12LTSP 5EL. > > Nils Breunese. > > > On 2/17/08, Barry Cisna wrote: > >> Hello List, > >> > >> This is kind of a weird scenario. On an FC5 K12ltsp server I set up > >> at > >> some peoples house over a year ago. I know this server has been > >> hacked > >> into some time back as I can see by the rkhunter logs for some > >> time. I > >> view it from time to time remotely via Webmin. What happens on this > >> server > >> is each time it gets rebooted ( which is not very often) other than > >> over > >> this weekend due to ice storm/power outage here), there are a few bin > >> files that end up being the wrong date/and the wrong file sizes. Most > >> everything still works OK other than lots of behind the scenes > >> things, > >> such as if I simply do a 'uname -a ' I get segmentation fault and > >> if i try > >> to use the zip program i get errors. I took and copyed from a good > >> FC5 > >> server the bin files and placed onto this particular server,so when > >> this > >> happens I explained to them how to copy paste the good bin/files > >> into the > >> /bin folder each time they end up having to reboot this server. > >> Once the > >> correct bin files are copyed into the bin folder then there are no > >> more > >> segmentation faults and the zip program functions correctly,etc.I > >> still > >> have not figured out "were" these files come from each time this > >> server is > >> rebooted? This server runs rock solid and they really don't need to > >> update > >> to anything newer as they just use it to web browse and email thing. > >> BTW; i did delete a couple diretories that had been added with some > >> sort > >> of system scanner files to ftp out to a remote server some time back > >> ,thinking this may have been the resolve for this. No Joy:(. > >> Anyone have any ideas were to look? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 04:27:23 2008 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:27:23 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Ncomputing...does it work under Linux? Message-ID: <774593a20802172027g5ea4ac88v4a732dbd1f3e2a81@mail.gmail.com> http://www.ncomputing.com was referred at a recent seminar in Delhi (India) with speaker claiming that this solution is working under linux and could be better solution than LTSP thin client solution. Any one here tried this? -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. From tim at litwiller.net Mon Feb 18 15:52:57 2008 From: tim at litwiller.net (Timothy C Litwiller) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:52:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells Message-ID: <47B9A9D9.4060101@litwiller.net> I need to find something "free" or very low cost to run the bells at our 28 student private school. I think I have found a relay switch that I can control with usb and wire into the bell circuit along with the the push button. But I need some software that the teachers can use to schedule. I can setup the default - but some times things get changed around for a few days and I don't want to have to be there for every change. From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Mon Feb 18 16:32:16 2008 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:32:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: history In-Reply-To: <1203221614.3354.19.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <17732516.2521203106112783.JavaMail.root@irving.ewind.com> <1203221614.3354.19.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <47B96CC0020000BB0000A4B1@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> I did get my hands on Fortran on punched card early at the college (time shared mainframe somewhere), thank God it was only a semester. Then i got to use a real computer, a PDP-8 with Octal words, a single row of dip switches and the load key at the end. Still remember, 32 words to load the bootstrap loader forthe paper tape reader, the paper tape was punched out by the teletype. The professor hooked up two D/A convertors (it looked hand made) on the PDP-8 to shoot on a CRT tube (oscilloscope) and we had to create a program to write our first name on the CRT. I was lucky, my first name is Guy, only 3 lettres to program, poor Alexander! Guy Lessard Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais Gatineau, Qu?bec Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can > setup the default - but some times things get changed around for a few > days and I don't want to have to be there for every change. > Tim, I looked at the same thing a few years ago and ended up buying a dedicated clock unit that was designed to trigger bells. It seemed a lot simpler than something I put together that involved running a computer. Here is one example of several that American Time and Signal sells: http://www.atsclock.com/catalog?action=gotoProductDetails&id=274 And here another from Lathem Time: http://www.lathem.com/sona.shtml When I did this, I was able to find a unit on ebay for a reasonable price. Good Luck! Sam From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 22:29:11 2008 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:29:11 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells In-Reply-To: <47B9C3C8.2070805@laurel-point.net> References: <20080218170030.6882C618A1B@hormel.redhat.com> <47B9C3C8.2070805@laurel-point.net> Message-ID: We are planning to use webmin to set up cron jobs to play a song at certain times of the day with speakers pointing out to the playground. The idea is if the song finishes and you are not in class then you are late. I am not sure how easy it will be for teachers to change. It wouldn't be good to let them have access to everything that webmin does. I wonder if there is a way to limit access by user to only the function you want. On 19/02/2008, Sam Snow wrote: > > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:52:57 -0600 > > From: Timothy C Litwiller > > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Message-ID: <47B9A9D9.4060101 at litwiller.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I need to find something "free" or very low cost to run the bells at our > > 28 student private school. I think I have found a relay switch that I > > can control with usb and wire into the bell circuit along with the the > > push button. > > > > But I need some software that the teachers can use to schedule. I can > > setup the default - but some times things get changed around for a few > > days and I don't want to have to be there for every change. > > > > Tim, > > I looked at the same thing a few years ago and ended up buying a > dedicated clock unit that was designed to trigger bells. It seemed a lot > simpler than something I put together that involved running a computer. > > Here is one example of several that American Time and Signal sells: > http://www.atsclock.com/catalog?action=gotoProductDetails&id=274 > And here another from Lathem Time: http://www.lathem.com/sona.shtml > > When I did this, I was able to find a unit on ebay for a reasonable price. > > Good Luck! > Sam > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From devrylin.thesageinblack at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 01:17:13 2008 From: devrylin.thesageinblack at gmail.com (Devry Lin) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:17:13 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] Problems with Sound Message-ID: <229185470802181717x7dcfa021k3fa2ba446f3f546@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Thanks for all the help last time and now I am writing this on a client machine.. There has been tests on this lab.. and sound is missing from the clients.. I boot the client and login with an account that uses KDE.. when it starts it shows up this: Sound server information message: Error while initilizing the sound server: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (permission denied) The sound driver will continue, using the null output device. and there was nothing to be heard from the clients... Tried the internet.. didn't help me too much. What should I look for to fix this? Devry Lin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Feb 19 13:52:00 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:52:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells In-Reply-To: <47B9C3C8.2070805@laurel-point.net> References: <20080218170030.6882C618A1B@hormel.redhat.com> <47B9C3C8.2070805@laurel-point.net> Message-ID: <47BA8A9F.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Email me directly offlist and I can give you some help with this if you are really committed to doing it this way. It also depends on how 'electronics minded you are, though. . . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Sam Snow 2/18/2008 11:43 AM >>> > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:52:57 -0600 > From: Timothy C Litwiller > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <47B9A9D9.4060101 at litwiller.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I need to find something "free" or very low cost to run the bells at our > 28 student private school. I think I have found a relay switch that I > can control with usb and wire into the bell circuit along with the the > push button. > > But I need some software that the teachers can use to schedule. I can > setup the default - but some times things get changed around for a few > days and I don't want to have to be there for every change. > Tim, I looked at the same thing a few years ago and ended up buying a dedicated clock unit that was designed to trigger bells. It seemed a lot simpler than something I put together that involved running a computer. Here is one example of several that American Time and Signal sells: http://www.atsclock.com/catalog?action=gotoProductDetails&id=274 And here another from Lathem Time: http://www.lathem.com/sona.shtml When I did this, I was able to find a unit on ebay for a reasonable price. Good Luck! Sam _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Feb 19 15:53:48 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:53:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells In-Reply-To: <47B9A9D9.4060101@litwiller.net> References: <47B9A9D9.4060101@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <20080219154614.M56683@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:52:57 -0600, Timothy C Litwiller wrote > I need to find something "free" or very low cost to run the bells at our > 28 student private school. I think I have found a relay switch that I > can control with usb and wire into the bell circuit along with the the > push button. > > But I need some software that the teachers can use to schedule. I can > setup the default - but some times things get changed around for a few > days and I don't want to have to be there for every change. Well, our school already had an intercom system run throughout that we used to make announcements and to play chimes with our old bell system. However our old system only allowed us to have 4 preset schedules to rotate, we needed far more. I started looking at different systems that could play 15 or so schedules, and the cost was ridiculous, especially to make a chime. So I built a minimal install Linux box with a sound card. I then recorded some voice messages in wav format (each message simply states the name of the schedule for the day). Then I found some chime files in wav format. I created a bunch of cron files in /var/spool/cron, all named with root.nameofschedule. The cron jobs simply call out times of the day to play the chime wav files and the voice messages. I then created a script for every schedule that simply runs a command to swap in the correct cron job for the schedule of the day. Then I set up webmin with a bell user that only has access to the "Schedule Commands" module. Now anyone can log into this and schedule the commands for the next month of bells. If anyone is interested in the scripts let me know and I'll post them to the list. These can easily play music or anything at scheduled intervals. When finished I connected the sound card of the Linux box to the amp that runs the PA system. Problem solved for free. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Feb 19 16:02:02 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:02:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells In-Reply-To: <20080219154614.M56683@winonacotter.org> References: <47B9A9D9.4060101@litwiller.net> <20080219154614.M56683@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <47BAA919.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> I would like to see the scripts. I haven't used the sound card method yet, but that sounds like an interesting thing anyway. . . Could be that the scripts could be used with other things as well.. . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> "Jim Kronebusch" 2/19/2008 9:53 AM >>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:52:57 -0600, Timothy C Litwiller wrote > I need to find something "free" or very low cost to run the bells at our > 28 student private school. I think I have found a relay switch that I > can control with usb and wire into the bell circuit along with the the > push button. > > But I need some software that the teachers can use to schedule. I can > setup the default - but some times things get changed around for a few > days and I don't want to have to be there for every change. Well, our school already had an intercom system run throughout that we used to make announcements and to play chimes with our old bell system. However our old system only allowed us to have 4 preset schedules to rotate, we needed far more. I started looking at different systems that could play 15 or so schedules, and the cost was ridiculous, especially to make a chime. So I built a minimal install Linux box with a sound card. I then recorded some voice messages in wav format (each message simply states the name of the schedule for the day). Then I found some chime files in wav format. I created a bunch of cron files in /var/spool/cron, all named with root.nameofschedule. The cron jobs simply call out times of the day to play the chime wav files and the voice messages. I then created a script for every schedule that simply runs a command to swap in the correct cron job for the schedule of the day. Then I set up webmin with a bell user that only has access to the "Schedule Commands" module. Now anyone can log into this and schedule the commands for the next month of bells. If anyone is interested in the scripts let me know and I'll post them to the list. These can easily play music or anything at scheduled intervals. When finished I connected the sound card of the Linux box to the amp that runs the PA system. Problem solved for free. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Feb 19 16:05:03 2008 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:05:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? References: <45609.10.10.100.1.1202246803.squirrel@mail.seminole.k12.ga.us> Message-ID: It took me while to get to it, but this doesn't appear to work. Every time you "edit" it looks for a different tmp directory. I've decided to use Kiosk Tool instead. So what is the simplest way to force KDE to be the default/only login type? Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us "The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe, and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location... and I'm not even too sure about that one" --Dennis Hughes, FBI -----Original Message----- From: Kemp, Levi Sent: Mon 2/11/2008 1:57 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? I use ubuntu at home an finally decided to try Sabayon there to see the results. The only difference I noted is the creation of Sabyon User or sabayon-admin with a home directory in /tmp/sabayon-temp-home-zVNBPk . We had a snow day today, but I'm still going to try and see if that is happening on my Fedora Machine. I don't think so and that may be the reason it isn't working. Can anyone else check this out for me? Thanks! Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us "The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe, and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location... and I'm not even too sure about that one" --Dennis Hughes, FBI -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of David Hopkins Sent: Thu 2/7/2008 7:18 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? I am running EL5 and Sabayon (latest version) is not working properly. Just my two cents on this. Dave Hopkins On Feb 6, 2008 5:41 PM, Kemp, Levi wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ronnie Miller > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:27 PM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? > > > > I've recently (this week) started having issues with Sabayon > > not working. > > I just finished building a new server and had everything > > almost ready, but when I got ready to build my profile in > > Sabayon, it wouldn't work. I've installed Sabayon and the > > sabayon-apply part and can even run the "User Profile Editor" > > program. The problem occurs when I try to edit an existing > > profile or create a new one. Sabayon acts like it's doing > > something then nothing - no edit screen or anything. The > > "User Profile Editor" dialog box just sits there. > > > > I also tried it on an older, existing server that I had used > > it before on > > - same thing. When I click on "Details" that screen pops up > > fine, it's just the actual edit screen that never appears. > > I'm confused... > > > > > > -- > > Ronnie Miller > > Technology Specialist > > Seminole County Schools > > 800 S. Woolfork Ave. > > Donalsonville, GA 39845 > > 229.524.5235 Ext. 227 > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous > > content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > Exactly the issue I'm having. Try running sabayon through a terminal and > see what it prints out when you try to edit. This is what I get. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/profilesdialog.py", > line 342, in __edit_button_clicked > session.start () > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/profilesdialog.py", > line 129, in start > self.temp_homedir = protosession.setup_shell_and_homedir > (self.username) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/protosession.py", line > 60, in setup_shell_and_homedir > temp_homedir = usermod.create_temporary_homedir (pw.pw_uid, > pw.pw_gid) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 64, > in create_temporary_homedir > copy_tree (SKEL_HOMEDIR, temp_homedir, uid, gid) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 58, > in copy_tree > copy_tree (src_path, dst_path, uid, gid) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 58, > in copy_tree > copy_tree (src_path, dst_path, uid, gid) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/usermod.py", line 62, > in copy_tree > os.chown (dst_path, uid, gid) > OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/tmp/sabayon-temp-home-NwwxrC/.wine/dosdevices/c:' > > I've downloaded the newest version from the website, but I'm having > issues getting it to build. All the dependencies are beyond FC6, and I > really don't want to have to install EL5 right now. I had more issues > getting everything to work in EL5 last time and went back to FC6, that > was July of 07 though. Is there an older version of Sabayon that might > work on FC6 still? > > Levi > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Tue Feb 19 16:18:03 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:18:03 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? In-Reply-To: References: <45609.10.10.100.1.1202246803.squirrel@mail.seminole.k12.ga.us> Message-ID: <74C0B5F4-7DED-4B77-BB7B-652EE69595BC@breun.nl> Kemp, Levi wrote: > It took me while to get to it, but this doesn't appear to work. > Every time you "edit" it looks for a different tmp directory. I've > decided to use Kiosk Tool instead. So what is the simplest way to > force KDE to be the default/only login type? > You can install the switchdesk-gui package or run switchdesk from a terminal (run 'switchdesk kde' as root). Nils Breunese. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Feb 19 17:56:00 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:56:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells In-Reply-To: <47BAA919.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47B9A9D9.4060101@litwiller.net> <20080219154614.M56683@winonacotter.org> <47BAA919.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <20080219173923.M37695@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:02:02 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote > I would like to see the scripts. I haven't used the sound card method yet, but > that sounds like an interesting thing anyway. . . > > Could be that the scripts could be used with other things as well.. . > > Doug Well, they couldn't be much simpler. In the /root I have 19 scripts that look like so: #!/bin/sh crontab -u root /var/spool/cron/root.regular The end of the second line is changed for every schedule, so the regular schedule has root.regular as seen above. An aday schedule has root.aday, bday is root.bday, and so on. Then in /var/spool/cron I have all of the crontabs named root.regular, root.aday, root.bday and so on. The contents of those files look like this: # Cron Syntax # Minute range: 0-59, Hour range: 0-23, Day of the Month range: 1-31, Month of the Year range:1-12, # Day of the Week range:1-7 (where 1 is Monday) # Regular Schedule 45 8 * * 1-5 /root/schedule/regular 50 8 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 35 9 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 40 9 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 25 10 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 30 10 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 15 11 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 20 11 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 50 11 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 55 11 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 05 12 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 10 12 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 40 12 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 45 12 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 55 12 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 00 13 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 45 13 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 50 13 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 35 14 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 40 14 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav 25 15 * * 1-5 play /root/bell.wav Each file has the name of the schedule commented out so to keep track if I ever have to modify them. The first line of the cron plays my voice file, which simply plays 5 minutes before the first class starts saying "Today, we'll be following a regular schedule." In /root/schedule I have all the recordings for every schedule. The standard chime is in /root and called bell.wav. This is simply played at the beginning and end of each class period, and for lunch periods. So at the end of each month everyone is given a bell schedule for the next month. Then I simply log onto webmin and click the "Scheduled Commands" module. Then enter a new command for each day the schedule changes. I enter the "Run as User" as root, the date to run and the time to run (usually 45 minutes before school starts), the directory to run in as /root, and the command to run (ie: ./regular, ./aday, ./bday, etc). Then on the day the command is scheduled for, the script runs that simply swaps the correct crontab in, and it is all automatic. Rather crude, but very simple. I do have a root.temp and a /root/temp available to modify for special events. During the summer if there are any schedule changes I simply update the bell.wav chime intervals in the root.schedule files. I'm sure there is a simple way to fine tune this process, or even write a simply webpage or Gui to modify things and bypass webmin. But I've used this for 3 years now and haven't had the drive to improve upon this. I run 2 servers as well, one for the Sr. High, and one for the Jr. High. Both schools have their own PA system so I run two as they are both on different schedules. It is very cool to set these a month ahead of time and forget them. Our old system I had to remember to set every morning (you can imagine the problems with that, especially on Mondays). Hope this helps someone. And if anyone improves it, please let me know. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Feb 19 17:59:22 2008 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:59:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells In-Reply-To: <20080219170026.9426F61941F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080219170026.9426F61941F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <47BB18FA.3090703@stmarys-school.org> Hello, Take a look at this article from Linux Journal it should get you going. I referred to it when putting together a web based door latch release for our front gate. The AR-2 relay mentioned in the article worked well for us but the case (sold separately) is way too big for the device. Save your self a few bucks and find something smaller at your local Home Depot. John From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Tue Feb 19 18:17:41 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:17:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells In-Reply-To: References: <20080218170030.6882C618A1B@hormel.redhat.com> <47B9C3C8.2070805@laurel-point.net> Message-ID: <47BB1D45.6020903@biochemfluidics.com> Here's a list of some GUIs for cron. I've never used any, so I can't comment on them, but they may be useful to you. http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/cronweb.htm -Rob Krsnendu dasa wrote: > We are planning to use webmin to set up cron jobs to play a song at > certain times of the day with speakers pointing out to the playground. > The idea is if the song finishes and you are not in class then you are late. > > I am not sure how easy it will be for teachers to change. It wouldn't be > good to let them have access to everything that webmin does. I wonder if > there is a way to limit access by user to only the function you want. > > On 19/02/2008, *Sam Snow* > wrote: > > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:52:57 -0600 > > From: Timothy C Litwiller > > > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Message-ID: <47B9A9D9.4060101 at litwiller.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I need to find something "free" or very low cost to run the bells > at our > > 28 student private school. I think I have found a relay switch that I > > can control with usb and wire into the bell circuit along with > the the > > push button. > > > > But I need some software that the teachers can use to schedule. > I can > > setup the default - but some times things get changed around for > a few > > days and I don't want to have to be there for every change. > > > > Tim, > > I looked at the same thing a few years ago and ended up buying a > dedicated clock unit that was designed to trigger bells. It seemed a lot > simpler than something I put together that involved running a computer. > > Here is one example of several that American Time and Signal sells: > http://www.atsclock.com/catalog?action=gotoProductDetails&id=274 > > And here another from Lathem Time: http://www.lathem.com/sona.shtml > > When I did this, I was able to find a unit on ebay for a reasonable > price. > > Good Luck! > Sam > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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That is simple! If anyone else is still having issues with Sabayon not working I'd say switching to KDE is acceptable if you really need to lock down your desktops since Kiosk tool still works. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us "The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe, and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location... and I'm not even too sure about that one" --Dennis Hughes, FBI -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Nils Breunese Sent: Tue 2/19/2008 10:18 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sabayon Not Working? Kemp, Levi wrote: > It took me while to get to it, but this doesn't appear to work. > Every time you "edit" it looks for a different tmp directory. I've > decided to use Kiosk Tool instead. So what is the simplest way to > force KDE to be the default/only login type? > You can install the switchdesk-gui package or run switchdesk from a terminal (run 'switchdesk kde' as root). Nils Breunese. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Save your self a few bucks > and find something smaller at your local Home Depot. > > John > What article would that be? julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Feb 20 01:30:46 2008 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:30:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells Message-ID: <47BB82C6.40006@stmarys-school.org> Re: [K12OSN] Re: OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells ------------------------------------------------------------------------ * /From/: "Julius Szelagiewicz" * /To/: "Support list for open source software in schools." * /Subject/: Re: [K12OSN] Re: OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells * /Date/: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:05:28 -0500 (EST) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hello, > > Take a look at this article from Linux Journal it should get you going. > I referred to it when putting together a web based door latch release > for our front gate. > The AR-2 relay mentioned in the article worked well for us but the case > (sold > separately) is way too big for the device. Save your self a few bucks > and find something smaller at your local Home Depot. > > John > >What article would that be? >julius oops! Here's the link http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6693 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 22:46:08 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:46:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum k12ltsp.repo down? Message-ID: <9bd317560802201446r2e60c964m95ccd504eef8a4e1@mail.gmail.com> Has the k12 repo changed or is just down? mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-EL4.2 Thanks, Peter From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 23:04:52 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:04:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent-proxying (again) Message-ID: <9bd317560802201504v5d9d6bf4rf7eff6bf3d9ed9f8@mail.gmail.com> What's odd is that after starting the transparent-proxing service, iptables -L shows no rules at all. [root at k12linux ~]# iptables -L Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination I've tried it by hand. /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 An interesting note is that the machines that can't get past the k12 server are getting dns forwarded to them ok. [root at smart1ltsp ~]# ping google.com PING google.com (64.233.167.99) 56(84) bytes of data. --- google.com ping statistics --- 15 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 13998ms I did change the public interface a while back. I've changed the PUBLIC_ETHERNET variable to the correct one in the /etc/init.d/nat service. Do i need to change it somwhere else too? Any ideas? Thanks, Peter From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 00:11:26 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:11:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: transparent-proxying (again) In-Reply-To: <9bd317560802201504v5d9d6bf4rf7eff6bf3d9ed9f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560802201504v5d9d6bf4rf7eff6bf3d9ed9f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560802201611o5dff2aawb1b2b3e61b4d3c94@mail.gmail.com> Thanks anyway....I had a squid problem but worked it out. P On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Peter Hartmann wrote: > What's odd is that after starting the transparent-proxing service, > iptables -L shows no rules at all. > > [root at k12linux ~]# iptables -L > Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) > target prot opt source destination > > Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) > target prot opt source destination > > Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) > target prot opt source destination > > I've tried it by hand. > /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 > > An interesting note is that the machines that can't get past the k12 > server are getting dns forwarded to them ok. > > [root at smart1ltsp ~]# ping google.com > PING google.com (64.233.167.99) 56(84) bytes of data. > > --- google.com ping statistics --- > 15 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 13998ms > > I did change the public interface a while back. I've changed the > PUBLIC_ETHERNET variable to the correct one in the /etc/init.d/nat > service. Do i need to change it somwhere else too? > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Peter > From goblin at scooter.co.nz Thu Feb 21 10:22:41 2008 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (John Jenkins) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:22:41 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: transparent-proxying (again) In-Reply-To: <9bd317560802201611o5dff2aawb1b2b3e61b4d3c94@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560802201504v5d9d6bf4rf7eff6bf3d9ed9f8@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560802201611o5dff2aawb1b2b3e61b4d3c94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BD50F1.4050205@scooter.co.nz> Peter Hartmann wrote: > Thanks anyway....I had a squid problem but worked it out. > > P > > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> What's odd is that after starting the transparent-proxing service, >> iptables -L shows no rules at all. >> >> [root at k12linux ~]# iptables -L >> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) >> target prot opt source destination >> >> Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) >> target prot opt source destination >> >> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) >> target prot opt source destination >> >> I've tried it by hand. >> /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 If you want to see the nat table you'll need to tell it so :) Try this iptables -L -t nat John From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Feb 21 12:56:12 2008 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:56:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with Sound Message-ID: <54637.172.28.8.55.1203598572.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Devry, You did not mention what distro of k12ltsp you are using? Do the following posted in the following link ,and I would bet your clients will get sound after these steps are performed. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#ESD_can_t_play_sound Take Care, Barry Cisna From jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us Thu Feb 21 15:19:54 2008 From: jkorzeni at battle-creek.k12.mi.us (Joe Korzeniewski) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:19:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] Problems with Sound In-Reply-To: <229185470802181717x7dcfa021k3fa2ba446f3f546@mail.gmail.com> References: <229185470802181717x7dcfa021k3fa2ba446f3f546@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BD504A.6C73.003C.0@battle-creek.k12.mi.us> Devry, That message means that your sound card is not detected. If you are using an ISA sound card, you will need to specify the SMODULE_01 lines in lts.conf (they are commented). -Joe >>> "Devry Lin" 02/18/08 8:17 PM >>> Hi, Thanks for all the help last time and now I am writing this on a client machine.. There has been tests on this lab.. and sound is missing from the clients.. I boot the client and login with an account that uses KDE.. when it starts it shows up this: Sound server information message: Error while initilizing the sound server: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (permission denied) The sound driver will continue, using the null output device. and there was nothing to be heard from the clients... Tried the internet.. didn't help me too much. What should I look for to fix this? Devry Lin From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Feb 21 17:11:38 2008 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:11:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] Problems with Sound Message-ID: <47BDB0CA.2050409@snarlnet.com> > > >Message: 6 >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:19:54 -0500 >From: "Joe Korzeniewski" >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP] Problems with Sound >To: >Message-ID: <47BD504A.6C73.003C.0 at battle-creek.k12.mi.us> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Devry, > >That message means that your sound card is not detected. If you are using an ISA sound card, you will need to specify the SMODULE_01 lines in lts.conf (they are commented). > >-Joe > > > >>>>>>> "Devry Lin" 02/18/08 8:17 PM >>> >>>> >>>> >Hi, Thanks for all the help last time and now I am writing this on a client >machine.. >There has been tests on this lab.. and sound is missing from the clients.. > >I boot the client and login with an account that uses KDE.. when it starts >it shows up this: > >Sound server information message: >Error while initilizing the sound server: >device /dev/dsp can't be opened (permission denied) >The sound driver will continue, using the null output device. > >and there was nothing to be heard from the clients... Tried the internet.. >didn't help me too much. > >What should I look for to fix this? > >Devry Lin > I always do a 'chmod 777 /dev/dsp' and then a 'chmod 777 /dev/mixer' when I get that message. Seems to get sound working. You might want to do 664 or something less drastic if you're into security. (I'm running K12LTSP at home for my family, behind a firewall, so it doesn't get hit that hard.) ck From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 12:35:23 2008 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:05:23 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting thin clients Message-ID: <774593a20802220435q1001d035q40d0f62e89802a58@mail.gmail.com> I came across a all in one integrated machine which is being used as thin client. This is retailing in India for Rs3500 (~USD80) The system has single shell with built in 14: color monitor with i810 card and 128mb RAM and a 4gb hard disk (quite useless for us). It has spanish keyboard with built in mouse pad (like a lap top) and also a phone handset. Great price. Let us see how it wears off. I have put up some pictures on flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/84518106 at N00/2283041707/ Any one else used this? -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 17:17:16 2008 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:17:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Default Home Page In-Reply-To: <43080f460801250800v548031f3haff57866f9838420@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460801250800v548031f3haff57866f9838420@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Use the Firefox Client Customization Kit and make an extension with all your required settings. Install this extension as a global extension (IIRC, firefox -install-global-extension cck.xpi). On 1/25/08, Mel Wade wrote: > I know we have batted this topic around before, but I'm really needing to > find an final solution. > > In my lab it is really important that we lock the Firefox home page so that > we can supply links to the services of our library for our students. So far > my understanding is that I can create a skel file that would set the > beginning preference for users but then they can change them after that. > > Would a cron task correct any user change? > > Is there any way we can create a lockable file that all users point to for > this information? > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > -- Sent from my mobile device Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Feb 23 23:38:39 2008 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:38:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 2008 FOSSED registration is now open! Read all about it! Message-ID: The 2008 Free & Open Source Software in Education Conference! Visit http://fossed.blogspot.com for more information FOSSED 2008 is being offered in two locations again this summer. This year we'll be hosted by [ http://www.thegovernorsacademy.org ]The Governor's Academy in Byfield, MA. We'll also be back at [ http://www.gouldacademy.org ]Gould Academy in Bethel, ME for the original FOSSED conference. The Gould conference comes first...June 24th - 27th (24th is p.m. arrival date) followed by Governor's Academy...August 3rd - 6th (3rd is p.m. arrival date) We hope you'll be able to join us for an exciting conference this year! We've been able to keep the prices down again this year! Both conferences are ONLY $495 for the full three days! All meals, rooms, and sessions are included! We'll house you, feed you (very well I might add), and educate you! What a deal! Discounts are available for non-overnight (commuter) attendees. See the registration page for details. Remember, we'll work with you with regard to any special payment arrangements. We accept PO's, checks, and credit cards. We want you to join us at FOSSED this year! [ http://writer.zoho.com/public/dtrask/FOSSED-2008-Registration-Gould-Academyhttp://writer.zoho.com/public/dtrask/FOSSED-2008-Registration-Gould-Academy ]Click here to register for Gould Academy [ http://writer.zoho.com/public/dtrask/FOSSED-2008-Registration-Governors-Academyhttp://writer.zoho.com/public/dtrask/FOSSED-2008-Registration-Governors-Academy ]Click here to register for Governor's Academy! We're also looking for presenters and sponsors! If you'd like to be a presenter at FOSSED this year (either one or both) please let me know...I want to hear from you!) Depending on how many sessions you present, you could end up attending for much less, or free, or perhaps even pocket some extra $$$! Many of our best presenters are folks who have attended FOSSED in the past! We hope you'll come and share your expertise with your colleagues! contact me at copperdoggy at gmail.com PLEASE share this email far and wide! This message is OPEN SOURCE! Spread the word! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Feb 23 23:38:39 2008 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:38:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 2008 FOSSED registration is now open! (fixed links) Message-ID: FIXED the LINKS below The 2008 Free & Open Source Software in Education Conference! Visit http://fossed.blogspot.com for more information FOSSED 2008 is being offered in two locations again this summer. This year we'll be hosted by [ http://www.thegovernorsacademy.org ]The Governor's Academy in Byfield, MA. We'll also be back at [ http://www.gouldacademy.org ]Gould Academy in Bethel, ME for the original FOSSED conference. The Gould conference comes first...June 24th - 27th (24th is p.m. arrival date) followed by Governor's Academy...August 3rd - 6th (3rd is p.m. arrival date) We hope you'll be able to join us for an exciting conference this year! We've been able to keep the prices down again this year! Both conferences are ONLY $495 for the full three days! All meals, rooms, and sessions are included! We'll house you, feed you (very well I might add), and educate you! What a deal! Discounts are available for non-overnight (commuter) attendees. See the registration page for details. Remember, we'll work with you with regard to any special payment arrangements. We accept PO's, checks, and credit cards. We want you to join us at FOSSED this year! [ http://writer.zoho.com/public/dtrask/FOSSED-2008-Registration-Gould-Academy ]Click here to register for Gould Academy [ http://writer.zoho.com/public/dtrask/FOSSED-2008-Registration-Governors-Academy ]Click here to register for Governor's Academy! We're also looking for presenters and sponsors! If you'd like to be a presenter at FOSSED this year (either one or both) please let me know...I want to hear from you!) Depending on how many sessions you present, you could end up attending for much less, or free, or perhaps even pocket some extra $$$! Many of our best presenters are folks who have attended FOSSED in the past! We hope you'll come and share your expertise with your colleagues! contact me at copperdoggy at gmail.com PLEASE share this email far and wide! This message is OPEN SOURCE! Spread the word! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From nadavkav at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 16:45:21 2008 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:45:21 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Default Home Page In-Reply-To: References: <43080f460801250800v548031f3haff57866f9838420@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4219988b0802240845s3f07b880if2a7e3ed9de7c183@mail.gmail.com> i'm attaching a script that i have a link to on my root Desktop. i usually change what ever i need to change inside user Sandbox (master template user) and then i open it's setting folder "/home/sandbox" in konqueror (i use KDE) and drag & drop the ".mozilla" folder onto the desktop icon of the script i just included it copies all the setting of this Sandbox user to all other students it's good for coping the entire KDE settings, OpenOffice, Opera... that's one way. another one i mentioned at the beginning of the thread: have a single configuration in the main firefox folder for all users. :-) On 23/02/2008, Ryan Collins wrote: > Use the Firefox Client Customization Kit and make an extension with > all your required settings. Install this extension as a global > extension (IIRC, firefox -install-global-extension cck.xpi). > > > On 1/25/08, Mel Wade wrote: > > I know we have batted this topic around before, but I'm really needing to > > find an final solution. > > > > In my lab it is really important that we lock the Firefox home page so that > > we can supply links to the services of our library for our students. So far > > my understanding is that I can create a skel file that would set the > > beginning preference for users but then they can change them after that. > > > > Would a cron task correct any user change? > > > > Is there any way we can create a lockable file that all users point to for > > this information? > > > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > > Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > Ryan Collins > Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Other than having to add a custom modline to lts.conf, and plugging in a full size keyboard and mouse, it works pretty well. David Whitmer On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Sudev Barar wrote: > I came across a all in one integrated machine which is being used as > thin client. This is retailing in India for Rs3500 (~USD80) The system > has single shell with built in 14: color monitor with i810 card and > 128mb RAM and a 4gb hard disk (quite useless for us). It has spanish > keyboard with built in mouse pad (like a lap top) and also a phone > handset. > > Great price. Let us see how it wears off. I have put up some pictures on > flickr > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/84518106 at N00/2283041707/ > > Any one else used this? > > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- David Whitmer - thewhitmers at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux at cotmac-proex.com Mon Feb 25 05:12:03 2008 From: linux at cotmac-proex.com (info) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:42:03 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting thin clients In-Reply-To: References: <774593a20802220435q1001d035q40d0f62e89802a58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C24E23.305@cotmac-proex.com> Hello, These are Intel Dotstations which intel had Manufactured specially for AOL. Now as a waste for the WEST it is dumped in India at a lower cost Works well as Thin-client and a good options for Schools and NGO's to pust this in rural India. ( it has a 10GB harddisk also ) Regards K.dinesh David Whitmer wrote: > I've got one of those at home. I've been using it as a thin client > for my family for a couple of years. Other than having to add a > custom modline to lts.conf, and plugging in a full size keyboard and > mouse, it works pretty well. > > David Whitmer > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Sudev Barar > wrote: > > I came across a all in one integrated machine which is being used as > thin client. This is retailing in India for Rs3500 (~USD80) The system > has single shell with built in 14: color monitor with i810 card and > 128mb RAM and a 4gb hard disk (quite useless for us). It has spanish > keyboard with built in mouse pad (like a lap top) and also a phone > handset. > > Great price. Let us see how it wears off. I have put up some > pictures on flickr > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/84518106 at N00/2283041707/ > > Any one else used this? > > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > David Whitmer - thewhitmers at gmail.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 18:34:35 2008 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:04:35 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Interesting thin clients In-Reply-To: <58117.192.168.254.3.1203907751.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <58117.192.168.254.3.1203907751.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <774593a20802251034q650268d7k2ec6d3a729db88d@mail.gmail.com> On 25/02/2008, Barry Cisna wrote: > Sudev, > > Could you repost the link you provided on the thin client? The link in > your post does not work. > Just checked the link works. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 22:15:15 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:15:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] remove close-option in Icewm window Message-ID: <9bd317560802251415p29c78190p2477e8161d8cc950@mail.gmail.com> I'm having a problem with the way users are leaving remote desktop to server2K3. Users are just closing the X window instead of logging out of their rdesktop session. The server locks up eventually because of this. When one closes the Windows window, the user gets logged out instead of disconnecting. Is there a way in Icewm to launch a program wth out the usual buttons in the top right for close, maximize and minimize? If there's a different approach please do share it! Thanks, Peter From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 22:40:24 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:40:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: remove close-option in Icewm window In-Reply-To: <9bd317560802251415p29c78190p2477e8161d8cc950@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560802251415p29c78190p2477e8161d8cc950@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560802251440w4aad8983v5dc1121bf3bea5be@mail.gmail.com> If found the answer if anyone's interested. put this in icewm/winoptions rdesktop.dClose: 0 Peter On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm having a problem with the way users are leaving remote desktop to > server2K3. Users are just closing the X window instead of logging out > of their rdesktop session. The server locks up eventually because of > this. When one closes the Windows window, the user gets logged out > instead of disconnecting. Is there a way in Icewm to launch a program > wth out the usual buttons in the top right for close, maximize and > minimize? If there's a different approach please do share it! > > Thanks, > Peter > From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 05:02:45 2008 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:02:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Default Home Page Message-ID: <809042.56145.qm@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > ... In my lab it is really important that we lock > the Firefox home page so that we can supply links to > the services of our library for our students. So > far my understanding is that I can create a skel > file that would set the beginning preference for > users but then they can change them after that. ... I just went through this in great gory detail and found something different than I expected. In general Firefox preferences are set in files with the extension ".js" with calls to subroutines pref(...) [for default settings], user_pref(...) [for user-specific overrides] and lock_pref(...) [for things users aren't allowed to change]. There are usually several of these files, some per-system and others per-user, processed in order, and you can insert your changes in any one of many places (which is probably why answers differ). [Don't be fooled; some of these subroutines have two names: lock_pref(...) is the same as lockPref(...),[ On some Linux systems the initial settings are in /etc/firefox/pref/*. This is system-wide, so you escape trying to twiddle individual user settings, perhaps with something in /etc/skel (unless of course users have already made their own change). You can either modify the file that's there or add an entirely new file of your own (Firefox will process everything in the whole directory) so long as the settings don't conflict with what's already there. And by using lock_pref(...) you get Firefox itself to enforce the permanence of your setting so you don't need to fiddle with 'cron'. ***** _HOWEVER_, what works 99% of the time usually doesn't work for the "home page" setting!!! ***** The home page setting is usually considered integral to "branding" and is usually pre-set by your distributor in a "chrome:" file. Changing it isn't hard ...the second time. The brute force approach of forcing a setting into every individual user as though they had made the change themselves will work, but can be difficult to implement and easy to hack. What works better is to "un-jar" the right chrome: file, find the setting, change it, and "re-jar" the right chrome: file. Be careful not to change (or add or delete) anything else in the file as this might prevent the Chrome-JAR file from working at all. (If you don't have a tool to handle "jar" archives, just use WinZip; ZIP and JAR are approximately the same thing.) Detailed directions on how to do this do exist on the web; I've seen them and used them. They are hard to find though, in fact I can't find them again at the moment. Google for something like "firefox home chrome". good luck! -Chuck Kollars ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue Feb 26 16:01:37 2008 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:01:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Default System Login Session References: <809042.56145.qm@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I just added a small page in the wiki on this. It really is a simple task but I think the question was getting confused. Either way it's there, and as a side note all the users that previously logged in with Gnome were changed to KDE automatically this way. Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us "The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe, and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location... and I'm not even too sure about that one" --Dennis Hughes, FBI -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2750 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 20:41:32 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:41:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gconf question Message-ID: <9bd317560802281241t2f20c187j9fc67a2413b0432f@mail.gmail.com> I have a Desktop k12ltsp fc6 install set up with a Smartboard and I'm setting it up to authenticate with ldap and mount the homes over nfs. I'm thinking that the users who log in to the desktop may get their firefox profiles messed up going back and forth between version 2 and 1.5. I've used the ldap/nfs thing before with desktop installs and the users profiles never really got harmed per se but it bothered me that i took forever for the profile to converted before the program launched. But those those Firefox versions weren't so far apart either. Sooo..... Firefox doesn't seem to want to let you specify a profile folder. I'm using a script that exports HOME=/home/$USER/.firefox-new then calls firefox. I may end up grabbing the users current bookmarks from a single *.default profile, but I just want to keep it simple first. I have alias in /etc/bashrc to call the script. And I have it set with gnome-default-applications-properties. After years of using Icewm on ltsp I don't know my way around the gconf-editor. I've changed the broswer value to my script and set the key as mandatory. But it doesn't seem to affect users. Is it only called upon for new users? With Sabayon, I'm not sure if forcing an entire FC6 desktop scheme on a ton of Centos 4.1 users is a good idea just to nail down one or two little customizations. Even if they never use Gnome again on the terminal server. Is there a way with gconf-editor? Thanks, Peter From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Feb 29 16:23:12 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:23:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gconf question In-Reply-To: <9bd317560802281241t2f20c187j9fc67a2413b0432f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560802281241t2f20c187j9fc67a2413b0432f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C83170.7050609@cmosnetworks.com> Not an exact answer to a gconf question, but perhaps another path. There may be an easier (long-term) way to deal with this. How about upgrading all the K12LTSP servers to 5.0EL? They'd all then have the same version of Firefox (v1.5) and, more importantly, would get security updates for years (FC6 is EOL). CentOS/RHEL 5 is based on FC6 anyway, so it should be a pretty straightforward migration. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Peter Hartmann wrote: > I have a Desktop k12ltsp fc6 install set up with a Smartboard and I'm > setting it up to authenticate with ldap and mount the homes over nfs. > I'm thinking that the users who log in to the desktop may get their > firefox profiles messed up going back and forth between version 2 and > 1.5. I've used the ldap/nfs thing before with desktop installs and > the users profiles never really got harmed per se but it bothered me > that i took forever for the profile to converted before the program > launched. But those those Firefox versions weren't so far apart > either. > > > Sooo..... Firefox doesn't seem to want to let you specify a profile > folder. I'm using a script that exports HOME=/home/$USER/.firefox-new > then calls firefox. I may end up grabbing the users current bookmarks > from a single *.default profile, but I just want to keep it simple > first. I have alias in /etc/bashrc to call the script. And I have it > set with gnome-default-applications-properties. After years of using > Icewm on ltsp I don't know my way around the gconf-editor. I've > changed the broswer value to my script and set the key as mandatory. > But it doesn't seem to affect users. Is it only called upon for new > users? With Sabayon, I'm not sure if forcing an entire FC6 desktop > scheme on a ton of Centos 4.1 users is a good idea just to nail down > one or two little customizations. Even if they never use Gnome again > on the terminal server. Is there a way with gconf-editor? > > Thanks, > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Feb 29 19:04:21 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:04:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gconf question In-Reply-To: <47C83170.7050609@cmosnetworks.com> References: <9bd317560802281241t2f20c187j9fc67a2413b0432f@mail.gmail.com> <47C83170.7050609@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560802291104n67eab10fj5a7f805ca4f7ec2e@mail.gmail.com> Yeah that's definitely in the works. :) P 2008/2/29 "Terrell Prud? Jr." : > > Not an exact answer to a gconf question, but perhaps another path. > > There may be an easier (long-term) way to deal with this. How about > upgrading all the K12LTSP servers to 5.0EL? They'd all then have the same > version of Firefox (v1.5) and, more importantly, would get security updates > for years (FC6 is EOL). CentOS/RHEL 5 is based on FC6 anyway, so it should > be a pretty straightforward migration. > > --TP > > _______________________________ > Do you GNU? > Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! > > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > I have a Desktop k12ltsp fc6 install set up with a Smartboard and I'm > setting it up to authenticate with ldap and mount the homes over nfs. > I'm thinking that the users who log in to the desktop may get their > firefox profiles messed up going back and forth between version 2 and > 1.5. I've used the ldap/nfs thing before with desktop installs and > the users profiles never really got harmed per se but it bothered me > that i took forever for the profile to converted before the program > launched. But those those Firefox versions weren't so far apart > either. > > > Sooo..... Firefox doesn't seem to want to let you specify a profile > folder. I'm using a script that exports HOME=/home/$USER/.firefox-new > then calls firefox. I may end up grabbing the users current bookmarks > from a single *.default profile, but I just want to keep it simple > first. I have alias in /etc/bashrc to call the script. And I have it > set with gnome-default-applications-properties. After years of using > Icewm on ltsp I don't know my way around the gconf-editor. I've > changed the broswer value to my script and set the key as mandatory. > But it doesn't seem to affect users. Is it only called upon for new > users? With Sabayon, I'm not sure if forcing an entire FC6 desktop > scheme on a ton of Centos 4.1 users is a good idea just to nail down > one or two little customizations. Even if they never use Gnome again > on the terminal server. Is there a way with gconf-editor? > > Thanks, > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see >