[K12OSN] OT - Student Entered Attendance System
dhuckaby at paasda.org
Mon Jun 23 21:12:41 UTC 2008
what if the cards were in a card-holder(like time cards at factories)
right next to the computer kiosks... then they would just grab their's
and swipe it...enter their password and go...
Carl Keil wrote:
>> Seems crude, but aren't you talking about an RFID warehousing system?
>> > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Carl Keil <carl at snarlnet.com> wrote:
>>> > > Hey Kind Folks,
>>> > >
>>> > > I've been asked to create something and I thought I'd pick the
>>> > > brain before possibly entering into the wheel reinvention game.
>>> > >
>>> > > Does anyone know of a computerized system for keeping track of
>>> > > that would function with the kids themselves (k-12) entering
>>> their own
>>> > > comings and goings into the system? As I sit down to design this
>>> > > imagining all kinds of data integrity nightmares with
>>> > > clicking "sign in" and "sign out" buttons that are next their (or
>>> > > else's) name. This would be some sort of kiosk by the front
>>> door. I'm
>>> > > thinking that if I use a web interface (I am a web programmer),
>>> I'll use a
>>> > > thin client for this.
>>> > > This is for a free school, where kids can enter and leave the
>>> school at
>>> > > different times. There is no "home room" or designated check in
>>> > > Right now, kids sign in on paper, but it is making reporting and
>>> > > trends difficult. I'm toying with the idea of using facial (and
>>> > > voice) recognition software. So, a kid comes in, sticks their
>>> mug into a
>>> > > camera and clicks a button that either says they are coming or
>>> going. If
>>> > > the picture can't be recognized, it is stored and flagged for human
>>> > > identification. I have no idea how to do that though.
>>> > > One other design problem is that we need some record of who's in the
>>> > > building that we can grab if there's a fire or other emergency.
>>> > > where the sign-in sheet on the clipboard really shines.
>>> > >
>>> > > Any brainstormy thoughts at all about pitfalls or solutions would be
>>> > > helpful at this point. Anyone else have a situation similar to
>>> > >
>> There are many pitfalls, the biggest being smart kids - don't ever
>> underestimate the ability of a four year old to deceive.
>> Single scan (forget the in/out buttons, just have the current state
>> will tell you just that something got scanned, so there is a problem
>> there. The kids can scan in and -not- enter or leave.
>> All the tokens not attached permanently can be exchanged ....
>> Can you do something of a bit futuristic nature, since the future will
>> happen soon? What I have in mind is "chipping" the kids with tiny RFID
>> chips. Works for my cats. I had to change the design from a single
>> with the door mechanism to three scanners, so that I really know where
>> they are. I've seen cats and kids change their minds and back out after
>> opening the doors to go in -:)
>> Of course the above was somewhat in jest, but there is no good solution
>> without the use of biometrics, and even those can be fooled.
>> One inexpensive way is to count heads going in and out - web cam, simple
>> software. Make sure you push the video to an external server. In case of
>> an emergency, you'll now -how many- kids are in, to find out -which-
>> you'd need to view the video. As far as I know, this is acceptable level
>> of data for emergencies.
>> Good luck, julius
> The first thing I asked the school's director was if it would be OK to
> chip the kids. This is exactly like herding cats, which, apparently,
> you have some experience with. I've since realized that even chipping
> the kids and/or video surveillance won't work. The kids at this school
> have the option of playing outside if there is an adult out there to
> supervise. This isn't considered "checking out". The kids really do
> need to click or swipe something to signify their intention to
> stay/leave. Since these kids can't be relied on to bring ID badges
> every day and tattooing bar codes is a wee bit too futuristic, I'm
> heavily leaning towards fingerprint swipers.
> Can anyone recommend a linux friendly, affordable, USB, fingerprint
> reader? One that can read through gloves, mittens, masking tape and
> layers of assorted jams and jellies? My wife loves the idea of a hand
> sanitizer station next to the finger print swiper, cut down on colds and
> flus and track the kids all in one fluid motion.
> Thank you everyone for your help thinking this through.
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