From vthai61 at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 00:58:52 2008 From: vthai61 at gmail.com (Vi Thai) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:58:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firewall question Message-ID: <26c4defe0802291658i218c39d9n2ceb10019ecdbdf6@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone! I'm the technology coordinator of a small school in Glenburn, Maine. I have two separate but related issues. 1... I recently changed the firewall settings on three of my k12ltsp servers that are running Fedora 6. I received this message from my network manager from server a: "outbound port tcp/22 (secure shell) scanning detected." I'm not really sure what this meant, so I looked at the firewall settings on this particular server and noticed that one of the trusted ports was SSH, which I read uses port 22. We only allow users to login from clients from within ou r school and no one from outside school can log in, so I didn't think turning off SSH would be a problem. After turning SSH off some of the clients on the server could not log in. I reset the server and everything was back to normal. Is this what I should have done to address the message I received? There hasn't been an update since the summer so should I do a "yum update" in the terminal to ensure that all software on the server is updated? 2... I then went to look at the firewall settings for the other two servers ("server b" and "server c") and noticed that neither of the firewalls on the servers were even on! I quickly changed the settings so that the firewall was enabled with no exceptions. I reset the server and everyone was able to connect after the restart. I thought everything was fine until a few minutes later when a teacher called and indicated that she couldn't get onto the wireless airport out in her portable (I had put an apple wireless airport out there plugged into the WAN port which was plugged into a switch on "server c"). The airport was working fine before I turned on the firewall and even if turn the firewall off I still cannot get the airport to work. Anyone have an thoughts on how I could solve this issue. I really don't want to turn the firewall off even though it has been on since I've been here last October. My suspicion is that the firewall has been disabled for over two years now with no apparent problems. We have been having a network slow down so perhaps there has been a compromise on one of these servers and I have not been informed yet. I know it's a silly question, but should this firewall even be turned on? I'm new to this type of network and any help provided would be greatly appreciated. Vi From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 02:32:33 2008 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:32:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Question for a serious problem I have. Message-ID: Hello, I hope everyone is well. I am running K12LTSP based on Fedora Core 6. Ever since I did a clean install to this version, I have had the problem with the 'last' command. Previously, "last -n 20" would show me the last 20 users who logged into the system, as well as the time they logged in and out. However, with this install the whenever I run the command I get, for everyone the following: student1 ws220.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 13:01 gone - no logout student2 ws220.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 12:55 gone - no logout student3 ws199.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 12:20 gone - no logout student4 ws199.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 12:20 gone - no logout student5 ws216.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 12:17 gone - no logout The problem, as you can see, is that no matter what time they log out, the system will show them as gone - no logout. This never used to happen until this version. It doesn't matter if the person was logged in for 3 minutes, 30 minutes, or 3 hours - they will always show as gone - no logout. My problem now is that we have a student who is being considered for suspension from the school due to an email he sent to a girl. The parents want the student gone as the letter was extremely upsetting and inappropriate. There were several people in the lab at the time the email was sent, but they all left and logged out at different times. I need to be able to show who was still in the lab at the time the email was sent. Thus this problem is a major one. My question is - how can I get the last command to correctly show the time they logged out? Thank you. Joseph From meelis at nlib.ee Sat Mar 1 07:51:14 2008 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:51:14 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Question for a serious problem I have. References: Message-ID: <021f01c87b71$0665e0c0$4301a8c0@melka> Hi Joseph! One way is to find that special command from the /var/log/messages file. For example in my server log there is this entry when a user loggs in : ************ Feb 25 17:24:45 terminalserver2 gconfd (8t7-27269): k?ivitamine (versioon 2.14.0), pid 27269 kasutaja '8t7' ************ and when the user loggs out : ************ Feb 25 17:28:45 terminalserver2 gconfd (8t7-27269): V?ljumine ************ My server uses our native language but in english it should be "Start","version","user" and "Exit" ? 8t7 is the name of my terminal. 8th floor terminal 7. For future advice I recommend you to use PostSession and PreSession scripts that log the info as you use FC6 with LTSP 4.2? PreSession - user logged in PostSession - user logged out I use these files to generate statistics for the server usage. Saves info in the mysql DB etc. This does not work in LTSP 5 :( ast that version has a LDM thingy that does not use GDM files while building the session. Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Bishay" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:32 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Question for a serious problem I have. > Hello, > > I hope everyone is well. > > I am running K12LTSP based on Fedora Core 6. Ever since I did a clean > install to this version, I have had the problem with the 'last' > command. Previously, "last -n 20" would show me the last 20 users who > logged into the system, as well as the time they logged in and out. > However, with this install the whenever I run the command I get, for > everyone the following: > > student1 ws220.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 13:01 gone - no > logout > student2 ws220.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 12:55 gone - no > logout > student3 ws199.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 12:20 gone - no > logout > student4 ws199.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 12:20 gone - no > logout > student5 ws216.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 12:17 gone - no > logout > > > The problem, as you can see, is that no matter what time they log out, > the system will show them as gone - no logout. This never used to > happen until this version. It doesn't matter if the person was logged > in for 3 minutes, 30 minutes, or 3 hours - they will always show as > gone - no logout. > > My problem now is that we have a student who is being considered for > suspension from the school due to an email he sent to a girl. The > parents want the student gone as the letter was extremely upsetting > and inappropriate. There were several people in the lab at the time > the email was sent, but they all left and logged out at different > times. I need to be able to show who was still in the lab at the time > the email was sent. Thus this problem is a major one. > > My question is - how can I get the last command to correctly show the > time they logged out? > > Thank you. > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Mar 1 16:05:08 2008 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:05:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Local apps- how many here are running local apps Message-ID: <61410.74.36.160.110.1204387508.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello List, I was wanting to find out how many school settings are using local apps in each school or by room or by workstation. I have been considering giving this a shot " just to try it" now that our old pentium 1's**( from k12ltsp v.1 days) mannny moons ago, have been upgraded:) I have read several little caveats and or gotchas when running local apps as well. Reason I am asking I would really like to get Google Earth usable on all the thin clients as this would be a big shot in the arm to "promote" the thin client setup. Of course when starting GoogelEarth on the thin clients I have tried on briefly I get the " running in OpenGL mode it will be super slow yada yada",,,,which it is. I think the GoogleEarth thing has been hashed out before but I could search/find anything on it as far as TC resolves. Maybe there is a simple/easy fix? I'm guessing trying to run GE is about like trying to run Celestia,,,slooooww,,,even on a standalone high end box! Thanks, Barry Cisna From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Sat Mar 1 16:25:52 2008 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:25:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] firewall question References: <26c4defe0802291658i218c39d9n2ceb10019ecdbdf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Vi Thai Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 6:58 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] firewall question Hi everyone! I'm the technology coordinator of a small school in Glenburn, Maine. I have two separate but related issues. 1... I recently changed the firewall settings on three of my k12ltsp servers that are running Fedora 6. I received this message from my network manager from server a: "outbound port tcp/22 (secure shell) scanning detected." I'm not really sure what this meant, so I looked at the firewall settings on this particular server and noticed that one of the trusted ports was SSH, which I read uses port 22. We only allow users to login from clients from within ou r school and no one from outside school can log in, so I didn't think turning off SSH would be a problem. After turning SSH off some of the clients on the server could not log in. I reset the server and everything was back to normal. Is this what I should have done to address the message I received? There hasn't been an update since the summer so should I do a "yum update" in the terminal to ensure that all software on the server is updated? 2... I then went to look at the firewall settings for the other two servers ("server b" and "server c") and noticed that neither of the firewalls on the servers were even on! I quickly changed the settings so that the firewall was enabled with no exceptions. I reset the server and everyone was able to connect after the restart. I thought everything was fine until a few minutes later when a teacher called and indicated that she couldn't get onto the wireless airport out in her portable (I had put an apple wireless airport out there plugged into the WAN port which was plugged into a switch on "server c"). The airport was working fine before I turned on the firewall and even if turn the firewall off I still cannot get the airport to work. Anyone have an thoughts on how I could solve this issue. I really don't want to turn the firewall off even though it has been on since I've been here last October. My suspicion is that the firewall has been disabled for over two years now with no apparent problems. We have been having a network slow down so perhaps there has been a compromise on one of these servers and I have not been informed yet. I know it's a silly question, but should this firewall even be turned on? I'm new to this type of network and any help provided would be greatly appreciated. Vi _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see I'd have to look it up but I recall someone asking this question before. The issue was with clients, both thin clients and regular fat clients on the DHCP side of the server not getting through. The solution was to open up ports on that NIC, the internal one so that all the traffic on the internal network could get through. I believe they used Webmin to do this easier. This should allow you to keep the external firewall on to protect the server and allow anyone on the inside to get through. As far as you second question goes, do you have an external firewall for the entire school? If so having one on your K12LTSP server may not be necessary, but if you can get it working it couldn't hurt. Levi -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4223 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robark at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 17:44:42 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:44:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Local apps- how many here are running local apps In-Reply-To: <61410.74.36.160.110.1204387508.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <61410.74.36.160.110.1204387508.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > I was wanting to find out how many school settings are using local apps in > each school or by room or by workstation. I have been considering giving > this a shot " just to try it" now that our old pentium 1's**( from k12ltsp > v.1 days) mannny moons ago, have been upgraded:) I have read several > little caveats and or gotchas when running local apps as well. Right now most who run local apps are running 100% local apps. So it's either 100% server (regular ltsp) or 100% local. There is work being done to be able to split the load but that is still in development. I think Eric mentioned this a while ago. If you have powerful clients. Which btw are very cheap now. Total cost for a complete diskless client (MB, CPU, RAM, CASE/PS minus monitor) is about $200. You can use them with this how-to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients although I have not done this I know of others who have. Namely, Kamloops school district uses a very similar setup. They however, setup a vserver vps (you can use OpenVZ too) to run the client chroot for security reasons. I know they can run 3D apps like GE, Beryl/Compiz and video like mplayer playing a DVD file for all users concurently with no lag. Personally, I think this is where ltsp is headed since the cheapest systems today are SO much more powerful than say 5 years ago and they are only getting faster. Case in point, my dual Xeon ltsp server (approx $350/cpu) which I purchased 4 years ago is slower than a $70 dual core cpu today. That's an order of magniture cheaper for a FASTER cpu, in only 4 years. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sat Mar 1 17:46:55 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:46:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Question for a serious problem I have. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1204393615.3354.263.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> That is a fault with the current scheme of LTSP. If a student/user gets off the client by hitting or by powering down the client abruptly, then there is no logout event that occurs and thus "gone - no logout" messages. As for your security issue, to my knowledge, there is no definitive way to prove what student had their hands on the keys that generated the email. However, the email headers will give solid clues for the account source as well as detailed tracking times. This can be correlated with login time to determine a range of times the email was sent from which machine and thus narrow down the identity of the sender. But as far as generating a "smoking gun" evidence trail, there isn't one as for the current K12LTSP setup unless everyone is required to use a real username/password scheme and is required to change passwords often enough that a shoulder lurker would be foiled. On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 21:32 -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > I hope everyone is well. > > I am running K12LTSP based on Fedora Core 6. Ever since I did a clean > install to this version, I have had the problem with the 'last' > command. Previously, "last -n 20" would show me the last 20 users who > logged into the system, as well as the time they logged in and out. > However, with this install the whenever I run the command I get, for > everyone the following: > > student1 ws220.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 13:01 gone - no logout > student2 ws220.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 12:55 gone - no logout > student3 ws199.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 12:20 gone - no logout > student4 ws199.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 12:20 gone - no logout > student5 ws216.ltsp:0 Sun Feb 24 12:17 gone - no logout > > > The problem, as you can see, is that no matter what time they log out, > the system will show them as gone - no logout. This never used to > happen until this version. It doesn't matter if the person was logged > in for 3 minutes, 30 minutes, or 3 hours - they will always show as > gone - no logout. > > My problem now is that we have a student who is being considered for > suspension from the school due to an email he sent to a girl. The > parents want the student gone as the letter was extremely upsetting > and inappropriate. There were several people in the lab at the time > the email was sent, but they all left and logged out at different > times. I need to be able to show who was still in the lab at the time > the email was sent. Thus this problem is a major one. > > My question is - how can I get the last command to correctly show the > time they logged out? > > Thank you. > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From robark at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 17:50:41 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:50:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Local apps- how many here are running local apps In-Reply-To: References: <61410.74.36.160.110.1204387508.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > although I have not done this I know of others who have. Namely, > Kamloops school district uses a very similar setup. They however, > setup a vserver vps (you can use OpenVZ too) to run the client chroot > for security reasons. I know they can run 3D apps like GE, > Beryl/Compiz and video like mplayer playing a DVD file for all users > concurently with no lag. Forgot to mention that sound and local devices work out of the box since you have a complete local OS running. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From rowens at ptd.net Sun Mar 2 00:05:45 2008 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:05:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firewall question In-Reply-To: <26c4defe0802291658i218c39d9n2ceb10019ecdbdf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <26c4defe0802291658i218c39d9n2ceb10019ecdbdf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080302000545.GA12023@junker.owens.net> Sounds like someone is using your "server a" to do a port scan on port 22. That means somebody logged into "server a" is trying to find out which other computers on the network (or on the internet) are accepting ssh connections. This could be one of your legitimate local users, or it could be that someone on the internet managed to log into your "server a" (via ssh or other means). It could be that someone is trying to break into other computers using your "server a", or it could be a legitimate use of a port scanner. For instance, I use port scanners on my local network when DNS fails and I need to ssh into one of my other machines. I scan the entire network for port 22, and try each machine that has that port open. Whether you need a firewall or not is determined by your network setup. If your server is protected from the internet by another firewall, then it might not make sense to run a local firewall on your server. If the server's purpose is to server file shares to the entire network, then make sure NFS and/or Samba are the only services running. If you do this, then a firewall would only block ports that aren't open anyway, which means the firewall isn't adding any protection. -Rob On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 07:58:52PM -0500, Vi Thai wrote: > Hi everyone! I'm the technology coordinator of a small school in > Glenburn, Maine. I have two separate but related issues. > 1... > I recently changed the firewall settings on three of my k12ltsp > servers that are running Fedora 6. I received this message from my > network manager from server a: "outbound port tcp/22 (secure shell) > scanning detected." I'm not really sure what this meant, so I looked > at the firewall settings on this particular server and noticed that > one of the trusted ports was SSH, which I read uses port 22. We only > allow users to login from clients from within ou > r school and no one from outside school can log in, so I didn't think > turning off SSH would be a problem. After turning SSH off some of the > clients on the server could not log in. I reset the server and > everything was back to normal. Is this what I should have done to > address the message I received? There hasn't been an update since the > summer so should I do a "yum update" in the terminal to ensure that > all software on the server is updated? > 2... > I then went to look at the firewall settings for the other two servers > ("server b" and "server c") and noticed that neither of the firewalls > on the servers were even on! I quickly changed the settings so that > the firewall was enabled with no exceptions. I reset the server and > everyone was able to connect after the restart. I thought everything > was fine until a few minutes later when a teacher called and indicated > that she couldn't get onto the wireless airport out in her portable (I > had put an apple wireless airport out there plugged into the WAN port > which was plugged into a switch on "server c"). The airport was > working fine before I turned on the firewall and even if turn the > firewall off I still cannot get the airport to work. Anyone have an > thoughts on how I could solve this issue. I really don't want to turn > the firewall off even though it has been on since I've been here last > October. My suspicion is that the firewall has been disabled for over > two years now with no apparent problems. We have been having a > network slow down so perhaps there has been a compromise on one of > these servers and I have not been informed yet. I know it's a silly > question, but should this firewall even be turned on? I'm new to this > type of network and any help provided would be greatly appreciated. > > Vi > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 03:36:57 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:36:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sambaSamAccount Message-ID: <9bd317560803021936s7f8a5ae7r9dda4794fecdace4@mail.gmail.com> I'm testing out the smblap installer on Centos 5 with Brian Chivers suggestions. It all looks great except that I can't actually join the darn thing. smbldap-useradd -w COMPY doesn't add in the sambaSamAccount stuff into ldap. dn: uid=COMPY$,ou=Computers,dc=company,dc=org objectClass: top objectClass: account objectClass: posixAccount cn: COMPY$ uid: COMPY$ uidNumber: 10012 gidNumber: 515 homeDirectory: /dev/null loginShell: /bin/false description: Computer gecos: Computer structuralObjectClass: account entryUUID: 2f88fc52-7d18-102c-8ca6-573e9fbcce47 creatorsName: cn=Manager,dc=comapny,dc=org createTimestamp: 20080303024928Z entryCSN: 20080303024928Z#000000#00#000000 modifiersName: cn=Manager,dc=company,dc=org modifyTimestamp: 20080303024928Z Mind you it does get in for user accounts. I've tried smbdap-tools 8.6, 9.1, 9.4 even. Any advice on this.... I've googled my brains out. Thanks, Peter From iman354 at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 09:15:29 2008 From: iman354 at gmail.com (Iman) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:15:29 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] sambaSamAccount In-Reply-To: <9bd317560803021936s7f8a5ae7r9dda4794fecdace4@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560803021936s7f8a5ae7r9dda4794fecdace4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4dc3f0d20803030115r76867119n45cf611d78ca1f7e@mail.gmail.com> Hi....all I am newbie.... I need learn all about of K12OSN... www.imanlinuxer.blogspot.com On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm testing out the smblap installer on Centos 5 with Brian Chivers > suggestions. It all looks great except that I can't actually join the > darn thing. smbldap-useradd -w COMPY doesn't add in the > sambaSamAccount stuff into ldap. > > dn: uid=COMPY$,ou=Computers,dc=company,dc=org > objectClass: top > objectClass: account > objectClass: posixAccount > cn: COMPY$ > uid: COMPY$ > uidNumber: 10012 > gidNumber: 515 > homeDirectory: /dev/null > loginShell: /bin/false > description: Computer > gecos: Computer > structuralObjectClass: account > entryUUID: 2f88fc52-7d18-102c-8ca6-573e9fbcce47 > creatorsName: cn=Manager,dc=comapny,dc=org > createTimestamp: 20080303024928Z > entryCSN: 20080303024928Z#000000#00#000000 > modifiersName: cn=Manager,dc=company,dc=org > modifyTimestamp: 20080303024928Z > > Mind you it does get in for user accounts. I've tried smbdap-tools > 8.6, 9.1, 9.4 even. > > Any advice on this.... I've googled my brains out. > > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Mar 3 09:35:57 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:35:57 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] sambaSamAccount In-Reply-To: <9bd317560803021936s7f8a5ae7r9dda4794fecdace4@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560803021936s7f8a5ae7r9dda4794fecdace4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CBC67D.4020503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Have you tried joining a Windows box via windows rather then the CLI and seeing what that does ?? Brian Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm testing out the smblap installer on Centos 5 with Brian Chivers > suggestions. It all looks great except that I can't actually join the > darn thing. smbldap-useradd -w COMPY doesn't add in the > sambaSamAccount stuff into ldap. > > dn: uid=COMPY$,ou=Computers,dc=company,dc=org > objectClass: top > objectClass: account > objectClass: posixAccount > cn: COMPY$ > uid: COMPY$ > uidNumber: 10012 > gidNumber: 515 > homeDirectory: /dev/null > loginShell: /bin/false > description: Computer > gecos: Computer > structuralObjectClass: account > entryUUID: 2f88fc52-7d18-102c-8ca6-573e9fbcce47 > creatorsName: cn=Manager,dc=comapny,dc=org > createTimestamp: 20080303024928Z > entryCSN: 20080303024928Z#000000#00#000000 > modifiersName: cn=Manager,dc=company,dc=org > modifyTimestamp: 20080303024928Z > > Mind you it does get in for user accounts. I've tried smbdap-tools > 8.6, 9.1, 9.4 even. > > Any advice on this.... I've googled my brains out. > > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 13:05:40 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:05:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic on client boot Message-ID: Sometimes, after a server has been up for weeks, clients will start getting the kernel panic error on (re)boot. It seems to somehow be related to NFS services (or tftp, not sure which) going down. I have tried restarting nfs and other services, but that never fixes the problem. Simply rebooting the server does correct the issue, but would appear to be overkill. Any client systems that are already up, continue working, but no new clients can connect. Has anyone seen this, and even better, found a way short of a system reboot to fix it? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School. From vthai61 at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 13:35:24 2008 From: vthai61 at gmail.com (Vi Thai) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:35:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firewall question In-Reply-To: References: <26c4defe0802291658i218c39d9n2ceb10019ecdbdf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26c4defe0803030535n354c52d7y3057558490a1b5b4@mail.gmail.com> There is no firewall for the entire school. This K12LTSP server contacts the Openserver for students and staff to log in. The Openserver has a firewall with only eth0 (private) being trusted so do the K12LTSP servers even need to have their firewalls turned on? The reason why I ask is because all the thin clients can log on fine now. The firewall settings for the K12LTSP servers are set to trust nothing, not even NFS or Samaba, and they are still able to log on. However now I am not able to get wireless to work on any of these servers now. Before when the firewall was turned off I was able to get wireless to work behind "server c" but now that I've turned on the firewall on all k12ltsp spervers, wireless no longer works if I plug a wireless router into a switch on "server c." I don't want to expose the entire system just get a handful of students wireless access. Thanks for everyones input. I really appreciate it. Vi 2008/3/1 Kemp, Levi : > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Vi Thai > Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 6:58 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] firewall question > > Hi everyone! I'm the technology coordinator of a small school in > Glenburn, Maine. I have two separate but related issues. > 1... > I recently changed the firewall settings on three of my k12ltsp > servers that are running Fedora 6. I received this message from my > network manager from server a: "outbound port tcp/22 (secure shell) > scanning detected." I'm not really sure what this meant, so I looked > at the firewall settings on this particular server and noticed that > one of the trusted ports was SSH, which I read uses port 22. We only > allow users to login from clients from within ou > r school and no one from outside school can log in, so I didn't think > turning off SSH would be a problem. After turning SSH off some of the > clients on the server could not log in. I reset the server and > everything was back to normal. Is this what I should have done to > address the message I received? There hasn't been an update since the > summer so should I do a "yum update" in the terminal to ensure that > all software on the server is updated? > 2... > I then went to look at the firewall settings for the other two servers > ("server b" and "server c") and noticed that neither of the firewalls > on the servers were even on! I quickly changed the settings so that > the firewall was enabled with no exceptions. I reset the server and > everyone was able to connect after the restart. I thought everything > was fine until a few minutes later when a teacher called and indicated > that she couldn't get onto the wireless airport out in her portable (I > had put an apple wireless airport out there plugged into the WAN port > which was plugged into a switch on "server c"). The airport was > working fine before I turned on the firewall and even if turn the > firewall off I still cannot get the airport to work. Anyone have an > thoughts on how I could solve this issue. I really don't want to turn > the firewall off even though it has been on since I've been here last > October. My suspicion is that the firewall has been disabled for over > two years now with no apparent problems. We have been having a > network slow down so perhaps there has been a compromise on one of > these servers and I have not been informed yet. I know it's a silly > question, but should this firewall even be turned on? I'm new to this > type of network and any help provided would be greatly appreciated. > > Vi > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > I'd have to look it up but I recall someone asking this question before. The issue was with clients, both thin clients and regular fat clients on the DHCP side of the server not getting through. The solution was to open up ports on that NIC, the internal one so that all the traffic on the internal network could get through. I believe they used Webmin to do this easier. This should allow you to keep the external firewall on to protect the server and allow anyone on the inside to get through. > As far as you second question goes, do you have an external firewall for the entire school? If so having one on your K12LTSP server may not be necessary, but if you can get it working it couldn't hurt. > > Levi > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 3 14:01:30 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:01:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic on client boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080303135954.M75845@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:05:40 -0500, David Hopkins wrote > Sometimes, after a server has been up for weeks, clients will start > getting the kernel panic error on (re)boot. It seems to somehow be > related to NFS services (or tftp, not sure which) going down. I have > tried restarting nfs and other services, but that never fixes the > problem. Simply rebooting the server does correct the issue, but would > appear to be overkill. Any client systems that are already up, > continue working, but no new clients can connect. Has anyone seen > this, and even better, found a way short of a system reboot to fix it? How many clients do you have booted at a time? I had a problem with Edubuntu when booting my 108 clients. Eventually I ran out of NFS threads. If you only have 25 or so I don't think this is a problem, but if you are running much more than that I can look up what it was I did to increase the thread count. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 14:14:53 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:14:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic on client boot In-Reply-To: <20080303135954.M75845@winonacotter.org> References: <20080303135954.M75845@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Actually, running out of NFS threads sounds like a very good place to start. We only have about 40 systems on this particular server because there seems to be a 'tipping' point where once we add just a few more, we start getting drops from NFS and so maybe that is also somehow related if NFS links get stale? Can that happen? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:05:40 -0500, David Hopkins wrote > > > > Sometimes, after a server has been up for weeks, clients will start > > getting the kernel panic error on (re)boot. It seems to somehow be > > related to NFS services (or tftp, not sure which) going down. I have > > tried restarting nfs and other services, but that never fixes the > > problem. Simply rebooting the server does correct the issue, but would > > appear to be overkill. Any client systems that are already up, > > continue working, but no new clients can connect. Has anyone seen > > this, and even better, found a way short of a system reboot to fix it? > > How many clients do you have booted at a time? I had a problem with Edubuntu when > booting my 108 clients. Eventually I ran out of NFS threads. If you only have 25 or so > I don't think this is a problem, but if you are running much more than that I can look > up what it was I did to increase the thread count. > > Jim > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Mar 3 14:45:09 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:45:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firewall question In-Reply-To: <26c4defe0803030535n354c52d7y3057558490a1b5b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <26c4defe0802291658i218c39d9n2ceb10019ecdbdf6@mail.gmail.com> <26c4defe0803030535n354c52d7y3057558490a1b5b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CC0EF5.4090004@cmosnetworks.com> Define "can't get onto wireless" more precisely for us. For example, are you saying wireless users can't get an IP address (I'm assuming they're getting DHCP from the K12LTSP server's eth0 interface)? If they can get an IP address, can they ping their next-hop router ("default gateway", in Microsoft parlance)? If they can do that, then can they ping something past the K12LTSP server? Can they ping this "Openserver" (Gawd, I hope you don't mean SCO Openserver!), and if they can do that, then what type of thick clients are these (machine type, OS, and so on)? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Vi Thai wrote: > There is no firewall for the entire school. This K12LTSP server > contacts the Openserver for students and staff to log in. The > Openserver has a firewall with only eth0 (private) being trusted so do > the K12LTSP servers even need to have their firewalls turned on? The > reason why I ask is because all the thin clients can log on fine now. > The firewall settings for the K12LTSP servers are set to trust > nothing, not even NFS or Samaba, and they are still able to log on. > However now I am not able to get wireless to work on any of these > servers now. Before when the firewall was turned off I was able to > get wireless to work behind "server c" but now that I've turned on the > firewall on all k12ltsp spervers, wireless no longer works if I plug a > wireless router into a switch on "server c." I don't want to expose > the entire system just get a handful of students wireless access. > Thanks for everyones input. I really appreciate it. > > Vi > > 2008/3/1 Kemp, Levi : > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Vi Thai >> Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 6:58 PM >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: [K12OSN] firewall question >> >> Hi everyone! I'm the technology coordinator of a small school in >> Glenburn, Maine. I have two separate but related issues. >> 1... >> I recently changed the firewall settings on three of my k12ltsp >> servers that are running Fedora 6. I received this message from my >> network manager from server a: "outbound port tcp/22 (secure shell) >> scanning detected." I'm not really sure what this meant, so I looked >> at the firewall settings on this particular server and noticed that >> one of the trusted ports was SSH, which I read uses port 22. We only >> allow users to login from clients from within ou >> r school and no one from outside school can log in, so I didn't think >> turning off SSH would be a problem. After turning SSH off some of the >> clients on the server could not log in. I reset the server and >> everything was back to normal. Is this what I should have done to >> address the message I received? There hasn't been an update since the >> summer so should I do a "yum update" in the terminal to ensure that >> all software on the server is updated? >> 2... >> I then went to look at the firewall settings for the other two servers >> ("server b" and "server c") and noticed that neither of the firewalls >> on the servers were even on! I quickly changed the settings so that >> the firewall was enabled with no exceptions. I reset the server and >> everyone was able to connect after the restart. I thought everything >> was fine until a few minutes later when a teacher called and indicated >> that she couldn't get onto the wireless airport out in her portable (I >> had put an apple wireless airport out there plugged into the WAN port >> which was plugged into a switch on "server c"). The airport was >> working fine before I turned on the firewall and even if turn the >> firewall off I still cannot get the airport to work. Anyone have an >> thoughts on how I could solve this issue. I really don't want to turn >> the firewall off even though it has been on since I've been here last >> October. My suspicion is that the firewall has been disabled for over >> two years now with no apparent problems. We have been having a >> network slow down so perhaps there has been a compromise on one of >> these servers and I have not been informed yet. I know it's a silly >> question, but should this firewall even be turned on? I'm new to this >> type of network and any help provided would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Vi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> I'd have to look it up but I recall someone asking this question before. The issue was with clients, both thin clients and regular fat clients on the DHCP side of the server not getting through. The solution was to open up ports on that NIC, the internal one so that all the traffic on the internal network could get through. I believe they used Webmin to do this easier. This should allow you to keep the external firewall on to protect the server and allow anyone on the inside to get through. >> As far as you second question goes, do you have an external firewall for the entire school? If so having one on your K12LTSP server may not be necessary, but if you can get it working it couldn't hurt. >> >> Levi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Mon Mar 3 15:21:35 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:21:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] firewall question In-Reply-To: <26c4defe0803030535n354c52d7y3057558490a1b5b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <26c4defe0802291658i218c39d9n2ceb10019ecdbdf6@mail.gmail.com> <26c4defe0803030535n354c52d7y3057558490a1b5b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CC177F.7040508@scheie.homedns.org> I've run into this kind of problem before. Assuming server C is a dual-nic system, if you look carefully at the firewall rules I think you will see that eth0, for the clients, allows all connections, as it should be. eth1, on the other hand, usually blocks all incoming traffic except what is ESTABLISHED or RELATED (those are formal iptables terms; I'm not yelling or adding emphasis). As I recall, what has probably broken on your system is the FORWARD chain having no rules, and/or a kernel setting (/proc/net/ip_conntrack?) being turned off. The result is that your thin clients work, because their apps are running on the server and thus the traffic only goes via the OUTPUT chain; but other clients, like those coming from the wireless connection and then through the server, are not getting their traffic forwarded. I don't have access to a system ATM to more fully check/recall the details. Probably the most expedient thing to do would be to jump onto the #ltsp channel on IRC (there's a link and instructions at the ltsp.org website) and ask the folks there. Peter Vi Thai wrote: > There is no firewall for the entire school. This K12LTSP server > contacts the Openserver for students and staff to log in. The > Openserver has a firewall with only eth0 (private) being trusted so do > the K12LTSP servers even need to have their firewalls turned on? The > reason why I ask is because all the thin clients can log on fine now. > The firewall settings for the K12LTSP servers are set to trust > nothing, not even NFS or Samaba, and they are still able to log on. > However now I am not able to get wireless to work on any of these > servers now. Before when the firewall was turned off I was able to > get wireless to work behind "server c" but now that I've turned on the > firewall on all k12ltsp spervers, wireless no longer works if I plug a > wireless router into a switch on "server c." I don't want to expose > the entire system just get a handful of students wireless access. > Thanks for everyones input. I really appreciate it. > > Vi > > 2008/3/1 Kemp, Levi : >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Vi Thai >> Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 6:58 PM >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: [K12OSN] firewall question >> >> Hi everyone! I'm the technology coordinator of a small school in >> Glenburn, Maine. I have two separate but related issues. >> 1... >> I recently changed the firewall settings on three of my k12ltsp >> servers that are running Fedora 6. I received this message from my >> network manager from server a: "outbound port tcp/22 (secure shell) >> scanning detected." I'm not really sure what this meant, so I looked >> at the firewall settings on this particular server and noticed that >> one of the trusted ports was SSH, which I read uses port 22. We only >> allow users to login from clients from within ou >> r school and no one from outside school can log in, so I didn't think >> turning off SSH would be a problem. After turning SSH off some of the >> clients on the server could not log in. I reset the server and >> everything was back to normal. Is this what I should have done to >> address the message I received? There hasn't been an update since the >> summer so should I do a "yum update" in the terminal to ensure that >> all software on the server is updated? >> 2... >> I then went to look at the firewall settings for the other two servers >> ("server b" and "server c") and noticed that neither of the firewalls >> on the servers were even on! I quickly changed the settings so that >> the firewall was enabled with no exceptions. I reset the server and >> everyone was able to connect after the restart. I thought everything >> was fine until a few minutes later when a teacher called and indicated >> that she couldn't get onto the wireless airport out in her portable (I >> had put an apple wireless airport out there plugged into the WAN port >> which was plugged into a switch on "server c"). The airport was >> working fine before I turned on the firewall and even if turn the >> firewall off I still cannot get the airport to work. Anyone have an >> thoughts on how I could solve this issue. I really don't want to turn >> the firewall off even though it has been on since I've been here last >> October. My suspicion is that the firewall has been disabled for over >> two years now with no apparent problems. We have been having a >> network slow down so perhaps there has been a compromise on one of >> these servers and I have not been informed yet. I know it's a silly >> question, but should this firewall even be turned on? I'm new to this >> type of network and any help provided would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Vi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> I'd have to look it up but I recall someone asking this question before. The issue was with clients, both thin clients and regular fat clients on the DHCP side of the server not getting through. The solution was to open up ports on that NIC, the internal one so that all the traffic on the internal network could get through. I believe they used Webmin to do this easier. This should allow you to keep the external firewall on to protect the server and allow anyone on the inside to get through. >> As far as you second question goes, do you have an external firewall for the entire school? If so having one on your K12LTSP server may not be necessary, but if you can get it working it couldn't hurt. >> >> Levi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From craig at tobyhouse.com Mon Mar 3 16:48:34 2008 From: craig at tobyhouse.com (Craig White) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:48:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] sambaSamAccount In-Reply-To: <9bd317560803021936s7f8a5ae7r9dda4794fecdace4@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560803021936s7f8a5ae7r9dda4794fecdace4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1204562914.10195.13.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 22:36 -0500, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm testing out the smblap installer on Centos 5 with Brian Chivers > suggestions. It all looks great except that I can't actually join the > darn thing. smbldap-useradd -w COMPY doesn't add in the > sambaSamAccount stuff into ldap. > > dn: uid=COMPY$,ou=Computers,dc=company,dc=org > objectClass: top > objectClass: account > objectClass: posixAccount > cn: COMPY$ > uid: COMPY$ > uidNumber: 10012 > gidNumber: 515 > homeDirectory: /dev/null > loginShell: /bin/false > description: Computer > gecos: Computer > structuralObjectClass: account > entryUUID: 2f88fc52-7d18-102c-8ca6-573e9fbcce47 > creatorsName: cn=Manager,dc=comapny,dc=org > createTimestamp: 20080303024928Z > entryCSN: 20080303024928Z#000000#00#000000 > modifiersName: cn=Manager,dc=company,dc=org > modifyTimestamp: 20080303024928Z > > Mind you it does get in for user accounts. I've tried smbdap-tools > 8.6, 9.1, 9.4 even. > > Any advice on this.... I've googled my brains out. ---- definitely not working... It should be adding objectclass: sambaSamAccount and attributes for... sambaSID sambaPrimaryGroupSID displayName sambaPwdMustChange sambaAcctFlags sambaPwdCanChange sambaNTPassword sambaPwdLastSet Have you set all of the values in smbldap_conf ? Have you set values in LDAP for 'sambaDomainName' and 'Idmap' ? Craig Craig From peter at hartmanncomputer.com Mon Mar 3 17:30:22 2008 From: peter at hartmanncomputer.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:30:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sambaSamAccount In-Reply-To: <47CBC67D.4020503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <9bd317560803021936s7f8a5ae7r9dda4794fecdace4@mail.gmail.com> <47CBC67D.4020503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <9bd317560803030930v4168748euf8717b63abee9308@mail.gmail.com> > Have you tried joining a Windows box via windows rather then the CLI and seeing what that does ?? I have...I get "the user name could to be found." The result is the same. The couputer gets added in lap but without the samba attributes. > Have you set all of the values in smbldap_conf ? > > Have you set values in LDAP for 'sambaDomainName' and 'Idmap' ? Yep. slapcat | grep 'sambaDomainName' and 'Idmap' respectively return the values. I've read that as of samba 3.0.2a(?) that samba itself puts these values into ldap Maybe that's where it's breaking down? Thanks, On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Brian Chivers wrote: > Have you tried joining a Windows box via windows rather then the CLI and seeing what that does ?? > > Brian > > > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I'm testing out the smblap installer on Centos 5 with Brian Chivers > > suggestions. It all looks great except that I can't actually join the > > darn thing. smbldap-useradd -w COMPY doesn't add in the > > sambaSamAccount stuff into ldap. > > > > dn: uid=COMPY$,ou=Computers,dc=company,dc=org > > objectClass: top > > objectClass: account > > objectClass: posixAccount > > cn: COMPY$ > > uid: COMPY$ > > uidNumber: 10012 > > gidNumber: 515 > > homeDirectory: /dev/null > > loginShell: /bin/false > > description: Computer > > gecos: Computer > > structuralObjectClass: account > > entryUUID: 2f88fc52-7d18-102c-8ca6-573e9fbcce47 > > creatorsName: cn=Manager,dc=comapny,dc=org > > createTimestamp: 20080303024928Z > > entryCSN: 20080303024928Z#000000#00#000000 > > modifiersName: cn=Manager,dc=company,dc=org > > modifyTimestamp: 20080303024928Z > > > > Mind you it does get in for user accounts. I've tried smbdap-tools > > 8.6, 9.1, 9.4 even. > > > > Any advice on this.... I've googled my brains out. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From craig at tobyhouse.com Mon Mar 3 17:38:06 2008 From: craig at tobyhouse.com (Craig White) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:38:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] sambaSamAccount In-Reply-To: <9bd317560803030930v4168748euf8717b63abee9308@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560803021936s7f8a5ae7r9dda4794fecdace4@mail.gmail.com> <47CBC67D.4020503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <9bd317560803030930v4168748euf8717b63abee9308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1204565886.10195.15.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 12:30 -0500, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Have you tried joining a Windows box via windows rather then the CLI and seeing what that does ?? > > I have...I get "the user name could to be found." The result is the > same. The couputer gets added in lap but without the samba > attributes. > > > Have you set all of the values in smbldap_conf ? > > > > Have you set values in LDAP for 'sambaDomainName' and 'Idmap' ? > > Yep. slapcat | grep 'sambaDomainName' and 'Idmap' respectively > return the values. > > I've read that as of samba 3.0.2a(?) that samba itself puts these > values into ldap Maybe that's where it's breaking down? ---- No it doesn't smbldap-populate will create initial settings based upon your smbldap.conf Craig From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 19:28:51 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:28:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sambaSamAccount In-Reply-To: <1204565886.10195.15.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> References: <9bd317560803021936s7f8a5ae7r9dda4794fecdace4@mail.gmail.com> <47CBC67D.4020503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <9bd317560803030930v4168748euf8717b63abee9308@mail.gmail.com> <1204565886.10195.15.camel@cube.tobyhouse.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560803031128m21dc9cf1h19b5b76728df1cd5@mail.gmail.com> > smbldap-populate will create initial settings based upon your > smbldap.conf Well, I meant samba puts the values into ldap when you run the command smbldap-useradd. As understand it smbldap-populate is run only once at the beginning (hopefully). I just applied a .diff Andres Toomsalu wrote to 0.9.1 smbldap-useradd and the values get in. I have to test the joining later. http://www.unixresources.net/linux/lf/56/archive/00/00/14/60/146070.html Hopefully it will work out. Thanks, Peter On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Craig White wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 12:30 -0500, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > Have you tried joining a Windows box via windows rather then the CLI and seeing what that does ?? > > > > > I have...I get "the user name could to be found." The result is the > > same. The couputer gets added in lap but without the samba > > attributes. > > > > > Have you set all of the values in smbldap_conf ? > > > > > > Have you set values in LDAP for 'sambaDomainName' and 'Idmap' ? > > > > Yep. slapcat | grep 'sambaDomainName' and 'Idmap' respectively > > return the values. > > > > I've read that as of samba 3.0.2a(?) that samba itself puts these > > values into ldap Maybe that's where it's breaking down? > ---- > No it doesn't > > smbldap-populate will create initial settings based upon your > smbldap.conf > > Craig > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nick at trilliumcharterschool.org Tue Mar 4 03:45:34 2008 From: nick at trilliumcharterschool.org (Nick Fenger) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:45:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachertool Distribute File Problem Message-ID: <355b8410803031945p324f8b90w68329669f36472@mail.gmail.com> Hello K12OSNers, I am getting the following errors when using the Distribute Function in Teacher Tool (Fl_Teachertool version 0.41) on a K12LTSP 6.0 box w/ seperate PDC/LDAP box. cp: cannot stat `/home/oceans/test.txt': Permission denied cp: cannot stat `/home/alekst/test.txt': Permission denied I get the error when non-root users to run teachertool and when I am running it logged in under root. I'm not sure if this is important, but, the root on the terminal server can only list the home directories but not access or change the files. We have a separate PDC/LDAP server where the home directories are kept. I am not entirely sure why I cannot read/write student directories under root, this happened when I had the LDAP server rebuilt last year (it used to work). I am thinking that I need to somehow give users in the Teacher's Group access to the directories of the students (or at least a directory on their desktop)? Is this something I need to configure on the LDAP server (like permissions or group membership) - OR - Do I need to configure every user to accept the files (is there a script that does this?) Any help would be greatly appreciated, i've got everything else in the tool working (even did the recomple of vncreflector.) - I LOVE this program, it has changed the way I teach! Thanks, Nick Fenger -- Trillium Charter School MS Advisor Math & Technology Teacher Technology Coordinator www.trilliumcharterschool.org Trillium Charter School is democratically-structured environment that fosters students' natural curiosity, creativity, and self-awareness. Students learn to take initiative and assume responsibility for their own learning, which supports constructive interaction with the local, regional, and global community. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moseley at hank.org Tue Mar 4 06:29:35 2008 From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:29:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hyperstudio-like application? Message-ID: <20080304062934.GA6629@hank.org> Hyperstudio seems somewhat popular in schools. Is there an open source program that could be used as a replacement? I wonder if OpenOffice.org Impress would be somewhat functionally equivalent. -- Bill Moseley moseley at hank.org From robark at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 07:05:32 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:05:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachertool Distribute File Problem In-Reply-To: <355b8410803031945p324f8b90w68329669f36472@mail.gmail.com> References: <355b8410803031945p324f8b90w68329669f36472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/3 Nick Fenger : > > Hello K12OSNers, > > I am getting the following errors when using the Distribute Function in > Teacher Tool (Fl_Teachertool version 0.41) on a K12LTSP 6.0 box w/ seperate > PDC/LDAP box. > > cp: cannot stat `/home/oceans/test.txt': Permission denied > cp: cannot stat `/home/alekst/test.txt': Permission denied > > I get the error when non-root users to run teachertool and when I am running > it logged in under root. I'm not sure if this is important, but, the root on fl_teachertool will not work properly for non root users. You have to setup visudo for teachers as described here http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/installationk12ltsp.html#sudo Also if you run it as root make sure you become root like this su - not just su > the terminal server can only list the home directories but not access or > change the files. We have a separate PDC/LDAP server where the home > directories are kept. I am not entirely sure why I cannot read/write student > directories under root, this happened when I had the LDAP server rebuilt > last year (it used to work). Are you talking about specifically with fl_teachertool or in general? I don't have LDAP experience maybe someone else can help here. > > I am thinking that I need to somehow give users in the Teacher's Group > access to the directories of the students (or at least a directory on their > desktop)? Is this something I need to configure on the LDAP server (like > permissions or group membership) - OR - Do I need to configure every user to > accept the files (is there a script that does this?) Are you wanting teachers to access student homes so they can mark stuff? If that's the case, I would recommend handin folders where students (others) only have write and execute permission with the sticky bit set but the teacher has full access. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, i've got everything else in the tool > working (even did the recomple of vncreflector.) - I LOVE this program, it > has changed the way I teach! Glad to hear it. I enjoy using it too. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From nick at trilliumcharterschool.org Tue Mar 4 15:16:03 2008 From: nick at trilliumcharterschool.org (Nick Fenger) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:16:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachertool Distribute File Problem In-Reply-To: References: <355b8410803031945p324f8b90w68329669f36472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c87e0a$aa594910$ff0bdb30$@org> Robert, Per your questions: I do have visudo per the docs and all of the other teachertool features work for non-roots. As far as accessing homes is concerned, it is not only a teachertool problem. When I log directly into the k12ltsp server (i.e. start a Gnome session) and open File Browser I can see all of the mounted home directory names but I cannot list or access the files. It is as if root on my local box is not really acting as root? Does the teachertool distribute feature need root access to homes even if you are running is as a non-root user? (see below for clarification of my problem). Thanks, -Nick -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:06 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachertool Distribute File Problem 2008/3/3 Nick Fenger : > > Hello K12OSNers, > > I am getting the following errors when using the Distribute Function in > Teacher Tool (Fl_Teachertool version 0.41) on a K12LTSP 6.0 box w/ seperate > PDC/LDAP box. > > cp: cannot stat `/home/oceans/test.txt': Permission denied > cp: cannot stat `/home/alekst/test.txt': Permission denied > > I get the error when non-root users to run teachertool and when I am running > it logged in under root. I'm not sure if this is important, but, the root on fl_teachertool will not work properly for non root users. You have to setup visudo for teachers as described here http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/installationk12ltsp.html# sudo Also if you run it as root make sure you become root like this su - not just su > the terminal server can only list the home directories but not access or > change the files. We have a separate PDC/LDAP server where the home > directories are kept. I am not entirely sure why I cannot read/write student > directories under root, this happened when I had the LDAP server rebuilt > last year (it used to work). Are you talking about specifically with fl_teachertool or in general? I don't have LDAP experience maybe someone else can help here. > > I am thinking that I need to somehow give users in the Teacher's Group > access to the directories of the students (or at least a directory on their > desktop)? Is this something I need to configure on the LDAP server (like > permissions or group membership) - OR - Do I need to configure every user to > accept the files (is there a script that does this?) Are you wanting teachers to access student homes so they can mark stuff? If that's the case, I would recommend handin folders where students (others) only have write and execute permission with the sticky bit set but the teacher has full access. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, i've got everything else in the tool > working (even did the recomple of vncreflector.) - I LOVE this program, it > has changed the way I teach! Glad to hear it. I enjoy using it too. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 4 15:23:05 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:23:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hyperstudio-like application? In-Reply-To: <20080304062934.GA6629@hank.org> References: <20080304062934.GA6629@hank.org> Message-ID: <20080304152156.M79230@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:29:35 -0800, Bill Moseley wrote > Hyperstudio seems somewhat popular in schools. Is there > an open source program that could be used as a replacement? > I wonder if OpenOffice.org Impress would be somewhat functionally > equivalent. I am not entirely familiar with Hyperstudios features, but we replaced it years ago with PowerPoint, and now Impress. The only complaint we had from the teachers when we switched was that they had to redo their presentations, but no concerns on lack of features. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 4 17:07:42 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:07:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: what do you use to schedule you schools bells In-Reply-To: <47BB18FA.3090703@stmarys-school.org> References: <20080219170026.9426F61941F@hormel.redhat.com> <47BB18FA.3090703@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <47CD81DE.1060106@paasda.org> a nice little application called 'bell commander'... cheap..and it rocks ;) John Baillie wrote: > Hello, > > Take a look at this article from Linux Journal it should get you going. > I referred to it when putting together a web based door latch release > for our front gate. > The AR-2 relay mentioned in the article worked well for us but the case > (sold > separately) is way too big for the device. Save your self a few bucks > and find something smaller at your local Home Depot. > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET Tue Mar 4 17:55:58 2008 From: CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:55:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution Message-ID: I just wanted to take the time and tell everyone about an open-source project I have been working on for a little while now called FOG. It is a ghost-like imaging solution that can be used to image Windows PCs in large network environments. It does everything without boot disks/CDs, it also includes some pretty advanced features like multicast support, a client side service that does printer management, hostname changes, AD registration, user tracking and more. The FOG management suite does imaging plus hardware inventory, AV scan, memory testing, and disk wiping. It is all web based and can run on Fedora or Ubuntu. Please check it out and let us know what you think! Homepage: http://freeghost.sf.net/index.php Documentation: http://freeghost.no-ip.org/wiki/index.php/FOGUserGuide SourceForge Page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeghost From robark at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 18:06:45 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:06:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachertool Distribute File Problem In-Reply-To: <000301c87e0a$aa594910$ff0bdb30$@org> References: <355b8410803031945p324f8b90w68329669f36472@mail.gmail.com> <000301c87e0a$aa594910$ff0bdb30$@org> Message-ID: On 3/4/08, Nick Fenger wrote: > Robert, > > Per your questions: > > I do have visudo per the docs and all of the other teachertool features work > for non-roots. > > As far as accessing homes is concerned, it is not only a teachertool > problem. When I log directly into the k12ltsp server (i.e. start a Gnome > session) and open File Browser I can see all of the mounted home directory > names but I cannot list or access the files. It is as if root on my local > box is not really acting as root? If you can't access users home files as root then fl_teachertool won't be able to access them either. I would suggest posting a new question thread specifically addressing this problem as I believe it's a separate issue. > > > Does the teachertool distribute feature need root access to homes even if > you are running is as a non-root user? (see below for clarification of my > problem). fl_teachertool will not work unless it has root privileges. Wether you run it directly as root or as a non-root user who has their privileges effectively elevated to root using sudo it's the same situation. fl_teachertool needs root privileges one way or another. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Mar 4 18:57:22 2008 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:57:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: > >http://freeghost.no-ip.org/wiki/index.php/FOGUserGuide chuck...this was so awesome....I blogged it! http://fossed.blogspot.com or http://dtrask.wordpress.com David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Mar 4 18:57:22 2008 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:57:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: > >http://freeghost.no-ip.org/wiki/index.php/FOGUserGuide chuck...this was so awesome....I blogged it! http://fossed.blogspot.com or http://dtrask.wordpress.com David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From tnelson at rockbochs.com Tue Mar 4 18:55:12 2008 From: tnelson at rockbochs.com (Tim Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:55:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <21015596.1261204656912670.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> Is there any way to get that guide in PDF format? That is some VERY nice work that would be nice to have offline... Tim Nelson ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Trask" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Cc: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 12:57:22 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: > >http://freeghost.no-ip.org/wiki/index.php/FOGUserGuide chuck...this was so awesome....I blogged it! http://fossed.blogspot.com or http://dtrask.wordpress.com David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 4 19:31:14 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:31:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CDA382.5030606@futuresource.com> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: >> http://freeghost.no-ip.org/wiki/index.php/FOGUserGuide > > chuck...this was so awesome....I blogged it! Has anyone compared this to drbl and clonezilla? http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/ Fog claims to be able to resize to a smaller disk, clonezilla supports multiple partitions. Other differences??? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET Tue Mar 4 20:11:22 2008 From: CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:11:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution Message-ID: Thanks we love the exposure! >>> dtrask at vcsvikings.org 03/04/08 12:57PM >>> "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: > >http://freeghost.no-ip.org/wiki/index.php/FOGUserGuide chuck...this was so awesome....I blogged it! http://fossed.blogspot.com or http://dtrask.wordpress.com David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET Tue Mar 4 20:13:14 2008 From: CSYPERSKI at DUPAGE88.NET (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:13:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution Message-ID: There is a pdf link on the left hand side of wiki. It will take is few seconds to generate. Thanks >>> tnelson at rockbochs.com 03/04/08 12:55PM >>> Is there any way to get that guide in PDF format? That is some VERY nice work that would be nice to have offline... Tim Nelson ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Trask" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Cc: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 12:57:22 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: > >http://freeghost.no-ip.org/wiki/index.php/FOGUserGuide chuck...this was so awesome....I blogged it! http://fossed.blogspot.com or http://dtrask.wordpress.com David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From nadavkav at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 20:15:08 2008 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:15:08 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution In-Reply-To: <47CDA382.5030606@futuresource.com> References: <47CDA382.5030606@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4219988b0803041215x642ecd86q3b67361bf692b71e@mail.gmail.com> we use CloneZilla and we are veerrrryyy happy with it. it duplicates entire "master ltsp" server + partition resize in 20min~ and we have a working new server in no time :-) it can do single partitions too ! which helps us run over the old OS with a new one without problems. and it leaves the /home (on a different partition) intact with all the user's data. On 04/03/2008, Les Mikesell wrote: > David Trask wrote: > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > writes: > >> http://freeghost.no-ip.org/wiki/index.php/FOGUserGuide > > > > chuck...this was so awesome....I blogged it! > > > Has anyone compared this to drbl and clonezilla? > http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ > http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/ > > Fog claims to be able to resize to a smaller disk, clonezilla supports > multiple partitions. Other differences??? > > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nils at breun.nl Tue Mar 4 20:31:23 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:31:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution In-Reply-To: <21015596.1261204656912670.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> References: <21015596.1261204656912670.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> Message-ID: <0666D9E5-ABF5-4B71-A2E4-47E5D6B3D23F@breun.nl> Tim Nelson wrote: > Is there any way to get that guide in PDF format? That is some VERY > nice work that would be nice to have offline... If you have a PDF printer installed, you can just print the page to a PDF file. OS X has this functionality built in, on Windows you can use PDFCreator and I believe most Linux distro's can do this too. Of course you could also just save the webpage (no PDF, but why does it need to be?). Nils Breunese. From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 5 00:28:04 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:28:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution In-Reply-To: <4219988b0803041215x642ecd86q3b67361bf692b71e@mail.gmail.com> References: <47CDA382.5030606@futuresource.com> <4219988b0803041215x642ecd86q3b67361bf692b71e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CDE914.3060105@futuresource.com> Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > we use CloneZilla and we are veerrrryyy happy with it. > it duplicates entire "master ltsp" server + partition resize in 20min~ > and we have a working new server in no time :-) > it can do single partitions too ! which helps us run over the old OS > with a new one without problems. and it leaves > the /home (on a different partition) intact with all the user's data. Are you using a 'clonezilla-live' boot from CD or do you have a DRBL server set up? And has anyone compared DRBL's thicker-client boot to k12ltsp in operation? (Drbl is the PXE/etherboot server) -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From scott at hosef.org Wed Mar 5 03:29:26 2008 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:29:26 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution In-Reply-To: <47CDE914.3060105@futuresource.com> References: <47CDA382.5030606@futuresource.com> <4219988b0803041215x642ecd86q3b67361bf692b71e@mail.gmail.com> <47CDE914.3060105@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <47CE1396.2080406@hosef.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > > Are you using a 'clonezilla-live' boot from CD or do you have a DRBL > server set up? And has anyone compared DRBL's thicker-client boot to > k12ltsp in operation? (Drbl is the PXE/etherboot server) > Yes. It has been several months, but after a kind of disappointing migration to something other than the K12ltsp, primarily due to the flash load, we tested and liked booting a thick client from a DRBL server. "Tested and liked" is hardly the thorough feedback needed, but the classroom had been through enough of a change already, so my load testing was limited. I use it almost daily to boot to a thick client, after imaging its drive, and run gparted to resize the partition. It boots fast, is easily customizable, easily maintainable, easily tweaked, and could be more to me if I knew more. With the amazing and recently released clonezilla-live cd getting so much attention, I hope that the DRBL magic continues. A *serious* gotcha for me early on was trying to use some Universal Boot Floppies. That did not work. I had to use a newer etherboot floppy made from an etherboot image on the DRBL server. This is documented, but I am generally too smart for documentation until things are broken. Aloha --scott From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 16:19:47 2008 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:19:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Question for a serious problem I have. In-Reply-To: <1204393615.3354.263.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1204393615.3354.263.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: Hello, Thanks for your reply. In regards to this: On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 12:46 PM, James P. Kinney III wrote: > That is a fault with the current scheme of LTSP. If a student/user gets > off the client by hitting or by powering down the > client abruptly, then there is no logout event that occurs and thus > "gone - no logout" messages. In this case the students are not killing the X-session using ctrl-alt-bkspace to generate the message. I tried it out myself by having them log in and out in correctly and then checking the 'last' output and it was still registering their logout as 'gone - no logout' Are there any other reasons that it would be doing this? Thank you Joseph From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 5 16:46:14 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:46:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: FOG - Free Computer Cloning Solution In-Reply-To: <47CE1396.2080406@hosef.org> References: <47CDA382.5030606@futuresource.com> <4219988b0803041215x642ecd86q3b67361bf692b71e@mail.gmail.com> <47CDE914.3060105@futuresource.com> <47CE1396.2080406@hosef.org> Message-ID: <47CECE56.1060905@futuresource.com> R. Scott Belford wrote: >> >> Are you using a 'clonezilla-live' boot from CD or do you have a DRBL >> server set up? And has anyone compared DRBL's thicker-client boot to >> k12ltsp in operation? (Drbl is the PXE/etherboot server) >> > > Yes. It has been several months, but after a kind of disappointing > migration to something other than the K12ltsp, primarily due to the > flash load, we tested and liked booting a thick client from a DRBL > server. "Tested and liked" is hardly the thorough feedback needed, but > the classroom had been through enough of a change already, so my load > testing was limited. > > I use it almost daily to boot to a thick client, after imaging its > drive, and run gparted to resize the partition. It boots fast, is > easily customizable, easily maintainable, easily tweaked, and could be > more to me if I knew more. With the amazing and recently released > clonezilla-live cd getting so much attention, I hope that the DRBL magic > continues. I think someone who understands the PXE/etherboot process better than I do could install DRBL on a k12ltsp server, then patch the boot choices together so certain machine types (based on mac address ranges) would continue to boot as thin clients while others (with more RAM, faster CPU, etc.) would boot as diskless 'fat' clients with an NFS-mounted root and everything running locally, getting the same home directory either way. (But don't try this on a production server unless you know what you are doing...). It would at least make an interesting comparison for where the 'fat' approach is better. > A *serious* gotcha for me early on was trying to use some Universal Boot > Floppies. That did not work. I had to use a newer etherboot floppy > made from an etherboot image on the DRBL server. This is documented, > but I am generally too smart for documentation until things are broken. The clonezilla-live CD has a netboot option on its boot menu that should work well enough for testing the concept on machines that won't do PXE. It is supposed to be easy to remaster that CD. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 5 17:41:35 2008 From: sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:41:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: flash load In-Reply-To: <20080305170035.103E561926C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080305170035.103E561926C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1204738895.13490.33.camel@s4> Scott, you mentioned you were having problems with poor performance with flash on thin clients. Were you able to investigate running flash locally on the thin clients instead of the server? I'd be very interested in what you discovered. I would expect that some of thin clients available would be resource starved to the point it would not work very well, but I suspect quite a few would be just fine, and it certainly scales well. Here's a link that mentions this specific issue. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ltsp-Local-Apps -- Sean Harbour "R. Scott Belford" wrote: >Yes. It has been several months, but after a kind of disappointing >migration to something other than the K12ltsp, primarily due to the >flash load -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hosef.org Thu Mar 6 03:35:53 2008 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:35:53 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: flash load In-Reply-To: <1204738895.13490.33.camel@s4> References: <20080305170035.103E561926C@hormel.redhat.com> <1204738895.13490.33.camel@s4> Message-ID: <47CF6699.9010605@hosef.org> Sean Harbour wrote: > Scott, you mentioned you were having problems with poor performance with > flash on thin clients. Were you able to investigate running flash > locally on the thin clients instead of the server? I'd be very > interested in what you discovered. I would expect that some of thin > clients available would be resource starved to the point it would not > work very well, but I suspect quite a few would be just fine, and it > certainly scales well. Here's a link that mentions this specific issue. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ltsp-Local-Apps > Well, the wiki above was only a plan. It is more possible with LTSP5, but it was not successfully implemented in gutsy. I think that there are plans to get it right with Hardy, but I have no idea what the status is. I am sure that more development help and testing would be useful. As Les alluded to in the thread about imaging, the really impressive potential with LTSP5 is the ability to blend running local apps with thin clients rather transparently. Furthermore, because the image served to the clients is just that, an image blown up at boot, it is more possible to create various images depending on clients, needs, etc. --scott From ml at bortal.de Thu Mar 6 06:52:00 2008 From: ml at bortal.de (ml at bortal.de) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:52:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] How to change own user password Message-ID: <47CF9490.2090408@bortal.de> Hello List, how can the users change their own password in a unix shell? foobar at PDC:~$ passwd Enter login(LDAP) password: New password: Re-enter new password: LDAP password information update failed: Unknown error passwd: Permission denied Thanks, Mario From vthai61 at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 15:11:30 2008 From: vthai61 at gmail.com (Vi Thai) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:11:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] updating server 404 error Message-ID: <26c4defe0803060711x29250845ibf8cda8613149751@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone. I'm trying to update our server and I'm getting this for an error: retrygrab() failed for: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/headers/header.info Executing failover method failover: out of servers to try Error getting file http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/headers/header.info [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found Any idea what's going on? Do I have to update the repo? If so, how do I do that? Thanks. Vi From nils at breun.nl Thu Mar 6 15:32:49 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:32:49 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] updating server 404 error In-Reply-To: <26c4defe0803060711x29250845ibf8cda8613149751@mail.gmail.com> References: <26c4defe0803060711x29250845ibf8cda8613149751@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Vi Thai wrote: > Hello everyone. I'm trying to update our server and I'm getting this > for an error: retrygrab() failed for: > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/headers/header.info > Executing failover method > failover: out of servers to try > Error getting file > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/headers/header.info > [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found > > Any idea what's going on? Do I have to update the repo? If so, how > do I do that? Thanks. You seem to be running Fedora Core 1, which has been EOL since some time in 2004 (!). You really need to upgrade to a newer OS. Nils Breunese. From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 16:20:15 2008 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:20:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachertool Distribute File Problem In-Reply-To: <000301c87e0a$aa594910$ff0bdb30$@org> References: <355b8410803031945p324f8b90w68329669f36472@mail.gmail.com> <000301c87e0a$aa594910$ff0bdb30$@org> Message-ID: <47D019BF.1020808@gmail.com> Nick Fenger wrote: > Robert, > > Per your questions: > > I do have visudo per the docs and all of the other teachertool features work > for non-roots. > > As far as accessing homes is concerned, it is not only a teachertool > problem. When I log directly into the k12ltsp server (i.e. start a Gnome > session) and open File Browser I can see all of the mounted home directory > names but I cannot list or access the files. It is as if root on my local > box is not really acting as root? > You don't state how the home directories are mounted (NFS or SMB) from the LDAP/file server. Could the home directories be NFS mounted with the "root_squash" export directive? Alternatively if SMB is in use, what rights has Samba given the user "root" on others home shares? I suspect that while "root" is really the superuser on your LTSP server, that it doesn't appear that way on the file server and that you may need to adjust ownership/permissions to fix the situation. > > Does the teachertool distribute feature need root access to homes even if > you are running is as a non-root user? (see below for clarification of my > problem). > > Thanks, > > -Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Robert Arkiletian > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:06 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachertool Distribute File Problem > > 2008/3/3 Nick Fenger : >> Hello K12OSNers, >> >> I am getting the following errors when using the Distribute Function in >> Teacher Tool (Fl_Teachertool version 0.41) on a K12LTSP 6.0 box w/ > seperate >> PDC/LDAP box. >> >> cp: cannot stat `/home/oceans/test.txt': Permission denied >> cp: cannot stat `/home/alekst/test.txt': Permission denied >> >> I get the error when non-root users to run teachertool and when I am > running >> it logged in under root. I'm not sure if this is important, but, the root > on > > fl_teachertool will not work properly for non root users. You have to > setup visudo for teachers as described here > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/installationk12ltsp.html# > sudo > > Also if you run it as root make sure you become root like this > su - > not just > su > >> the terminal server can only list the home directories but not access or >> change the files. We have a separate PDC/LDAP server where the home >> directories are kept. I am not entirely sure why I cannot read/write > student >> directories under root, this happened when I had the LDAP server rebuilt >> last year (it used to work). > > Are you talking about specifically with fl_teachertool or in general? > I don't have LDAP experience maybe someone else can help here. > >> I am thinking that I need to somehow give users in the Teacher's Group >> access to the directories of the students (or at least a directory on > their >> desktop)? Is this something I need to configure on the LDAP server (like >> permissions or group membership) - OR - Do I need to configure every user > to >> accept the files (is there a script that does this?) > > Are you wanting teachers to access student homes so they can mark > stuff? If that's the case, I would recommend handin folders where > students (others) only have write and execute permission with the > sticky bit set but the teacher has full access. > >> Any help would be greatly appreciated, i've got everything else in the > tool >> working (even did the recomple of vncreflector.) - I LOVE this program, it >> has changed the way I teach! > > Glad to hear it. I enjoy using it too. > -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 16:29:21 2008 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:29:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to change own user password In-Reply-To: <47CF9490.2090408@bortal.de> References: <47CF9490.2090408@bortal.de> Message-ID: <47D01BE1.7000406@gmail.com> ml at bortal.de wrote: > Hello List, > > how can the users change their own password in a unix shell? > > foobar at PDC:~$ passwd > Enter login(LDAP) password: > New password: > Re-enter new password: > LDAP password information update failed: Unknown error > > passwd: Permission denied > If you are using SMBLDAP then using "smbpasswd" works to change both the Unix and Samba passwords stored in LDAP, just make sure that it acts on the PDC. Assuming the PDC is named "pdchost": smbpasswd -r pdchost username It will prompt for for old and new passwords. You can put it on a GUI menu with xterm: xterm -e "smbpasswd -r pdchost $USER" -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 18:12:42 2008 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:12:42 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] latest Flash 9,0,115,0 : slow in ltsp In-Reply-To: <1197047391.6439.17.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1197047391.6439.17.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: I think I have this problem. Flash videos have become very choppy. How did you instal 9.0.48.0? I have downloaded the tar.gz installer, but every time I try to install it complains please enter a valid installation path. I have been entering /usr/lib/firefox and variations on that. What am I missing? On 08/12/2007, William Fragakis wrote: > > Ever in the desire to muck up my home sandbox, I updated to the latest > flash plugin 9,0,115,0. Framerates slowed to a crawl on both a typical > thin client (Ntavo 9010)and more robust one sporting a Radeon 9200 PCI > video card. Video would slow to just several fps. > > Has anyone else experienced this or, instead, better performance with > this version? Reverting to 9.0.48.0 restored things. > > Regards, > William Fragakis > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is as if root on my > local > > box is not really acting as root? > > > > You don't state how the home directories are mounted (NFS or SMB) from > the LDAP/file server. Could the home directories be NFS mounted with the > "root_squash" export directive? Alternatively if SMB is in use, what > rights has Samba given the user "root" on others home shares? I suspect > that while "root" is really the superuser on your LTSP server, that it > doesn't appear that way on the file server and that you may need to > adjust ownership/permissions to fix the situation. > > > > > Does the teachertool distribute feature need root access to homes even > if > > you are running is as a non-root user? (see below for clarification of > my > > problem). > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > > Of Robert Arkiletian > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:06 PM > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Fl_Teachertool Distribute File Problem > > > > 2008/3/3 Nick Fenger : > >> Hello K12OSNers, > >> > >> I am getting the following errors when using the Distribute Function in > >> Teacher Tool (Fl_Teachertool version 0.41) on a K12LTSP 6.0 box w/ > > seperate > >> PDC/LDAP box. > >> > >> cp: cannot stat `/home/oceans/test.txt': Permission denied > >> cp: cannot stat `/home/alekst/test.txt': Permission denied > >> > >> I get the error when non-root users to run teachertool and when I am > > running > >> it logged in under root. I'm not sure if this is important, but, the > root > > on > > > > fl_teachertool will not work properly for non root users. You have to > > setup visudo for teachers as described here > > > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/installationk12ltsp.html# > > sudo > > > > Also if you run it as root make sure you become root like this > > su - > > not just > > su > > > >> the terminal server can only list the home directories but not access > or > >> change the files. We have a separate PDC/LDAP server where the home > >> directories are kept. I am not entirely sure why I cannot read/write > > student > >> directories under root, this happened when I had the LDAP server > rebuilt > >> last year (it used to work). > > > > Are you talking about specifically with fl_teachertool or in general? > > I don't have LDAP experience maybe someone else can help here. > > > >> I am thinking that I need to somehow give users in the Teacher's Group > >> access to the directories of the students (or at least a directory on > > their > >> desktop)? Is this something I need to configure on the LDAP server > (like > >> permissions or group membership) - OR - Do I need to configure every > user > > to > >> accept the files (is there a script that does this?) > > > > Are you wanting teachers to access student homes so they can mark > > stuff? If that's the case, I would recommend handin folders where > > students (others) only have write and execute permission with the > > sticky bit set but the teacher has full access. > > > >> Any help would be greatly appreciated, i've got everything else in the > > tool > >> working (even did the recomple of vncreflector.) - I LOVE this program, > it > >> has changed the way I teach! > > > > Glad to hear it. I enjoy using it too. > > > > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Trillium Charter School MS Advisor Math & Technology Teacher Technology Coordinator www.trilliumcharterschool.org Trillium Charter School is democratically-structured environment that fosters students' natural curiosity, creativity, and self-awareness. Students learn to take initiative and assume responsibility for their own learning, which supports constructive interaction with the local, regional, and global community. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have flash-plugin-9.0.115.0 installed (on K12LTSP 5EL 64-bit using nspluginwrapper) and I haven't heard any complaints. From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 18:41:09 2008 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:41:09 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Latest Flash 9,0,115,0 : slow in ltsp Message-ID: Actually I am using Ubuntu Hardy (I didn't notice this was the K12OS list -I have cc'd to Edubuntu list.) I managed to do a manual install of 9.0.48.0 using path /usr/lib/firefox- 3.0b3 But the video on the clients is still choppy. I am not sure why. On 07/03/2008, Nils Breunese wrote: > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > I think I have this problem. Flash videos have become very choppy. > > > > How did you instal 9.0.48.0? I have downloaded the tar.gz installer, > > but every time I try to install it complains please enter a valid > > installation path. I have been entering /usr/lib/firefox and > > variations on that. 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URL: From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Thu Mar 6 19:10:30 2008 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:10:30 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Python Edit/compile/execute Message-ID: Hi, I was wondering if someone could recommend a Python editor that will do all the fancy stuff like auto-indenting, compiling the code and run the program, without going to a shell. (I know the shell is better, but I'd prefer if the kids didn't touch it for now.) Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Mar 6 19:17:00 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:17:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Python Edit/compile/execute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D0432C.2070000@paasda.org> ActiveState Python... but it's windows-based... jones yeates wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if someone could recommend a Python editor that will do all the fancy stuff like auto-indenting, compiling the code and run the program, without going to a shell. (I know the shell is better, but I'd prefer if the kids didn't touch it for now.) > > Thanks. > _________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhbarr at gozelle.com Thu Mar 6 19:22:22 2008 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:22:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Python Edit/compile/execute In-Reply-To: <47D0432C.2070000@paasda.org> References: <47D0432C.2070000@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Huck wrote: > jones yeates wrote: > > > I was wondering if someone could recommend a Python editor that will do all the fancy stuff like auto-indenting, compiling the code and run the program, without going to a shell. (I know the shell is better, but I'd prefer if the kids didn't touch it for now.) > > > ActiveState Python... > but it's windows-based... Perhaps this could help you find a starting point: http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html As to how any or all of these would function in an LTSP environment, I have no idea. HTH, -dhbarr. From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 19:23:47 2008 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 14:23:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Python Edit/compile/execute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92de6c880803061123h76e60674jfc7d8e8eee7519a5@mail.gmail.com> You can just use idle, which is part of the python-tools rpm, according to Google. Also, there is no compile step. Python is interpreted. --Tom On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:10 PM, jones yeates wrote: > > Hi, > > I was wondering if someone could recommend a Python editor that will do all the fancy stuff like auto-indenting, compiling the code and run the program, without going to a shell. (I know the shell is better, but I'd prefer if the kids didn't touch it for now.) > > Thanks. > _________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nils at breun.nl Thu Mar 6 19:25:43 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 20:25:43 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Python Edit/compile/execute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FB28FD4-DB7D-419C-A922-10BFBEE41D3A@breun.nl> jones yeates wrote: > I was wondering if someone could recommend a Python editor that will > do all the fancy stuff like auto-indenting, compiling the code and > run the program, without going to a shell. (I know the shell is > better, but I'd prefer if the kids didn't touch it for now.) Eclipse + PyDev maybe? http://pydev.sourceforge.net/ You don't need to compile Python code by the way. Nils Breunese. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 7 05:20:34 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 00:20:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: flash load In-Reply-To: <47CF6699.9010605@hosef.org> References: <20080305170035.103E561926C@hormel.redhat.com> <1204738895.13490.33.camel@s4> <47CF6699.9010605@hosef.org> Message-ID: <20080307051800.M44458@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:35:53 -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote > Sean Harbour wrote: > > Scott, you mentioned you were having problems with poor performance with > > flash on thin clients. Were you able to investigate running flash > > locally on the thin clients instead of the server? I'd be very > > interested in what you discovered. I would expect that some of thin > > clients available would be resource starved to the point it would not > > work very well, but I suspect quite a few would be just fine, and it > > certainly scales well. Here's a link that mentions this specific issue. > > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ltsp-Local-Apps > > > > Well, the wiki above was only a plan. It is more possible with LTSP5, > but it was not successfully implemented in gutsy. I think that there > are plans to get it right with Hardy, but I have no idea what the status > is. I am sure that more development help and testing would be useful. > > As Les alluded to in the thread about imaging, the really impressive > potential with LTSP5 is the ability to blend running local apps with > thin clients rather transparently. Furthermore, because the image > served to the clients is just that, an image blown up at boot, it is > more possible to create various images depending on clients, needs, etc. > > --scott I know that at the last UDS Scott Balnaeves and a few others successfully ran a proof of concept with LTSP5 and a client running Firefox locally. But this was just a proof of concept as many other factors still need to be figured out such as how to access local devices and tie into the file system on the server and such. But it was good to know that they made progress. I doubt it will even make it to Hardy, but if Hardy goes smooth and there aren't a ton of bugs to fix for the next version I'm sure this will be slated for Hardy +1. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 06:52:26 2008 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:52:26 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] How to change own user password In-Reply-To: <47D01BE1.7000406@gmail.com> References: <47CF9490.2090408@bortal.de> <47D01BE1.7000406@gmail.com> Message-ID: Does this work for non-root users? When I tried something similar in the pass only root could change passwords. It seemed that users could change their own passwds, but they never actually changed. Maybe it was the way smbldap was set up. It thought that a way around this would be to make a script that runs sudo that calls the smbldap passwd script. all users would need sudo rights to run just the script. On 07/03/2008, John Lucas wrote: > > ml at bortal.de wrote: > > Hello List, > > > > how can the users change their own password in a unix shell? > > > > foobar at PDC:~$ passwd > > Enter login(LDAP) password: > > New password: > > Re-enter new password: > > LDAP password information update failed: Unknown error > > > > passwd: Permission denied > > > > > If you are using SMBLDAP then using "smbpasswd" works to change both the > Unix and Samba passwords stored in LDAP, just make sure that it acts > on the PDC. Assuming the PDC is named "pdchost": > > smbpasswd -r pdchost username > > It will prompt for for old and new passwords. You can put it on a GUI > menu with xterm: > > xterm -e "smbpasswd -r pdchost $USER" > > > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtogami at redhat.com Fri Mar 7 07:35:47 2008 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:35:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP5 for Fedora Status Message-ID: <47D0F053.1080809@redhat.com> http://wtogami.livejournal.com/23648.html Some code is ready to test if you are adventurous. Only Fedora 8 is partially usable today. NOT ready for production, and highly likely to conflict with past K12LTSP packages if you have them installed. I need your feedback, bug reports and patches. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Mar 7 14:12:49 2008 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:12:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP5 for Fedora Status In-Reply-To: <47D0F053.1080809@redhat.com> References: <47D0F053.1080809@redhat.com> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >http://wtogami.livejournal.com/23648.html >Some code is ready to test if you are adventurous. Only Fedora 8 is >partially usable today. NOT ready for production, and highly likely to >conflict with past K12LTSP packages if you have them installed. > >I need your feedback, bug reports and patches. > >Warren Togami >wtogami at redhat.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Cool news! Good work! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Mar 7 14:12:49 2008 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:12:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP5 for Fedora Status In-Reply-To: <47D0F053.1080809@redhat.com> References: <47D0F053.1080809@redhat.com> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >http://wtogami.livejournal.com/23648.html >Some code is ready to test if you are adventurous. Only Fedora 8 is >partially usable today. NOT ready for production, and highly likely to >conflict with past K12LTSP packages if you have them installed. > >I need your feedback, bug reports and patches. > >Warren Togami >wtogami at redhat.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Cool news! Good work! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 7 15:17:27 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 10:17:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to change own user password In-Reply-To: References: <47CF9490.2090408@bortal.de> <47D01BE1.7000406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080307151610.M36897@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:52:26 +1300, Krsnendu dasa wrote > Does this work for non-root users? When I tried something similar in the > pass only root could change passwords. It seemed that users could change > their own passwds, but they never actually changed. Maybe it was the way > smbldap was set up. It thought that a way around this would be to make a > script that runs sudo that calls the smbldap passwd script. all users would > need sudo rights to run just the script. Our users have no problem changing passwords with "passwd username", but I only use ldap and no smb. Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Fri Mar 7 19:09:08 2008 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:09:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP5 for Fedora Status In-Reply-To: <47D0F053.1080809@redhat.com> Message-ID: So which would you rather have tests done on then, 8 or 9? I figure I could just install a vm of it and give it a test, but I won't have time to do both. Levi > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Warren Togami > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 1:36 AM > To: Fedora Education Initiative; Support list for opensource > software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP5 for Fedora Status > > http://wtogami.livejournal.com/23648.html > Some code is ready to test if you are adventurous. Only > Fedora 8 is partially usable today. NOT ready for > production, and highly likely to conflict with past K12LTSP > packages if you have them installed. > > I need your feedback, bug reports and patches. > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Mar 8 15:52:08 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 09:52:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] YouTube crashes Firefox Message-ID: <1204991528.26738.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello List, FYI. I have Googled Firefox forums on this and no luck. Has anyone here figured out a good workaround for thin clients that when trying to view YouTube videos it crashes Firefox? I would guess on these clients 2 out of 10 times Firefoxes crashes/closes when trying to view various YouTube videos. This is the Ebox2300/128mb onboard ram. We are tickled to death with these other than this snafoo. I have the following lines in the lts.conf file for these clients.: X4_MODULE_03 = glx USE_NBD_SWAP = Y I have tried with and without the USE_NBD_SWAP = Y and this seems to make no better,no worse.( this was a suggestion in a similar scenario at a Firefox forum for crashes FF when viewing videos).This happens with both the stock FF v1.5.0 and FF v2.0.0.2 . K12LTSP v6 Thanks, Barry Cisna From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 17:01:13 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:01:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: bash help Message-ID: <9bd317560803080901q59bfd7b3w9091ff133039906a@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to test if vpopmail users have a spam folder already, but I'd like to make the directory test case insensitive. snip: if [ ! -d "/home/vpopmail/domains/domain.com/$name/Maildir/.[Ss][Pp][Aa][Mm]" ]; then echo not there fi This way the test fails even if there is a .spam folder. Without the quotes the regex is interpreted but when the directory is there, I get a 'binary operator expected' error for the 'if' line. What am I not getting? Thanks, Peter From robark at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 17:07:02 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:07:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] YouTube crashes Firefox In-Reply-To: <1204991528.26738.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1204991528.26738.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > FYI. I have Googled Firefox forums on this and no luck. Has anyone here > figured out a good workaround for thin clients that when trying to view > YouTube videos it crashes Firefox? I would guess on these clients 2 out > of 10 times Firefoxes crashes/closes when trying to view various YouTube > videos. > This is the Ebox2300/128mb onboard ram. We are tickled to death with > these other than this snafoo. I have the following lines in the lts.conf > file for these clients.: > X4_MODULE_03 = glx > USE_NBD_SWAP = Y > > I have tried with and without the USE_NBD_SWAP = Y and this seems to > make no better,no worse.( this was a suggestion in a similar scenario at > a Firefox forum for crashes FF when viewing videos).This happens with > both the stock FF v1.5.0 and FF v2.0.0.2 . Hi Barry, I don't think it's a memory issue. In my opinion this is a flash issue. I have also experienced it. This is what I have noticed. flash version 48 is more stable and uses less resources than 115, however it has security issues. Gnash JUST released version 0.8.2 beta. I tried installing Gnash but was unsuccessful due to failed dependecies because I am still using k12ltsp 4EL. So I'm stuck using flash 48. One more thing, Opera 9.26 (stable) won't work with flash 115. However, Opera 9.5 (beta) does support flash 115 (even 64 bit Opera 9.5 supports the 32 bit flash plugin). Seems Adobe built flash 115 to have some custom hooks for Firefox so the Opera people had to work around it. Basically this whole situation continues to stink because of flash. It's the one non-open source code that everyone has to have. I wish the Gnash developers the best of luck. We are all depending on them. Could anyone who has tried Gnash 0.8.2 beta let us know how well it now works? -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 17:16:32 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:16:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: bash help In-Reply-To: <9bd317560803080901q59bfd7b3w9091ff133039906a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560803080901q59bfd7b3w9091ff133039906a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560803080916j27a4969es35fc0d6215d894bb@mail.gmail.com> Ok so this works in ksh: if [ ! -d "/home/vpopmail/domains/ascensionschoolnyc.org/"$name"/Maildir/."[Ss][Pp][Aa][Mm]"" ]; Why not bash? Peter On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm trying to test if vpopmail users have a spam folder already, but > I'd like to make the directory test case insensitive. > > snip: > > if [ ! -d "/home/vpopmail/domains/domain.com/$name/Maildir/.[Ss][Pp][Aa][Mm]" ]; > then > echo not there > fi > > This way the test fails even if there is a .spam folder. > > Without the quotes the regex is interpreted but when the directory is > there, I get a 'binary operator expected' error for the 'if' line. > > > What am I not getting? > > Thanks, > Peter > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Mar 8 20:03:36 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:03:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: bash help In-Reply-To: <9bd317560803080916j27a4969es35fc0d6215d894bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560803080901q59bfd7b3w9091ff133039906a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560803080916j27a4969es35fc0d6215d894bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D2F118.6030207@cmosnetworks.com> Try single quotes and see if that helps out. I've had similar issues in the past. Also, you shouldn't need the "" after [Mm]; it's superfluous. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Peter Hartmann wrote: > Ok so this works in ksh: > > if [ ! -d "/home/vpopmail/domains/ascensionschoolnyc.org/"$name"/Maildir/."[Ss][Pp][Aa][Mm]"" > ]; > > Why not bash? > > > Peter > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >> I'm trying to test if vpopmail users have a spam folder already, but >> I'd like to make the directory test case insensitive. >> >> snip: >> >> if [ ! -d "/home/vpopmail/domains/domain.com/$name/Maildir/.[Ss][Pp][Aa][Mm]" ]; >> then >> echo not there >> fi >> >> This way the test fails even if there is a .spam folder. >> >> Without the quotes the regex is interpreted but when the directory is >> there, I get a 'binary operator expected' error for the 'if' line. >> >> >> What am I not getting? >> >> Thanks, >> Peter >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william at fragakis.com Mon Mar 10 04:39:05 2008 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:39:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] YouTube crashes Firefox In-Reply-To: <20080309160020.7979A8E01BF@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080309160020.7979A8E01BF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1205123945.23776.9.camel@server.ltsp> In my experience, memory does seem to be a factor. As another poster suggested, I tried boosting the nbd swap for thin clients with 128mb of ram with video at 1280x1024 which couldn't even get out of the gate with flash. That helped. I run into this much less with clients using PCI video cards (Radeon 9250). I also suspect that the issue may be more complex. Flash alone won't always crash Firefox but when sound kicks in, that seems to make matters worse. Youtube seemed more stable several months ago then suddenly got dodgy late last fall or early in winter. I had been able to watch 30-50 minute videos with no problem but recently things would crash with the first video loaded. I've also had Firefox crash when loading a page that had mb's of images (someone had several dozen hi rez images on a web page that I came across). Every time I loaded that page - poof. The page did not have any Flash. regards, William On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:07:02 -0800 > From: "Robert Arkiletian" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] YouTube crashes Firefox > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Barry Cisna > wrote: > > Hello List, > > > > FYI. I have Googled Firefox forums on this and no luck. Has anyone > here > > figured out a good workaround for thin clients that when trying to > view > > YouTube videos it crashes Firefox? I would guess on these clients 2 > out > > of 10 times Firefoxes crashes/closes when trying to view various > YouTube > > videos. > > This is the Ebox2300/128mb onboard ram. We are tickled to death > with > > these other than this snafoo. I have the following lines in the > lts.conf > > file for these clients.: > > X4_MODULE_03 = glx > > USE_NBD_SWAP = Y > > > > I have tried with and without the USE_NBD_SWAP = Y and this seems > to > > make no better,no worse.( this was a suggestion in a similar > scenario at > > a Firefox forum for crashes FF when viewing videos).This happens > with > > both the stock FF v1.5.0 and FF v2.0.0.2 . > > Hi Barry, > I don't think it's a memory issue. In my opinion this is a flash > issue. I have also experienced it. This is what I have noticed. > > flash version 48 is more stable and uses less resources than 115, > however it has security issues. Gnash JUST released version 0.8.2 > beta. I tried installing Gnash but was unsuccessful due to failed > dependecies because I am still using k12ltsp 4EL. So I'm stuck using > flash 48. > > One more thing, Opera 9.26 (stable) won't work with flash 115. > However, Opera 9.5 (beta) does support flash 115 (even 64 bit Opera > 9.5 supports the 32 bit flash plugin). Seems Adobe built flash 115 to > have some custom hooks for Firefox so the Opera people had to work > around it. > > Basically this whole situation continues to stink because of flash. > It's the one non-open source code that everyone has to have. I wish > the Gnash developers the best of luck. We are all depending on them. > > Could anyone who has tried Gnash 0.8.2 beta let us know how well it > now works? > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > From toddobryan at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 16:13:21 2008 From: toddobryan at gmail.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:13:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] All the clients became German??? Message-ID: <904774730803100913ud970b66jf34cdac1d8f383ff@mail.gmail.com> Suddenly all of the keyboard layouts defaulted to German on all my clients, for no apparent reason. Anybody have any idea why this might happen and how I can fix it? This is Ubuntu 7.04 and 7.10 with the LTSP packages. Thanks, Todd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From nils at breun.nl Mon Mar 10 18:17:01 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:17:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] EL5.1 K12LTSP, OOo2, CUPS 1.2.4 number of copies not logged correctly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greg wrote: > In OpenOffice2, if I set the "Copies" print option to 2 for a one > page document, CUPS only logs 1 page. The printer does print the > correct number of copies, however the correct page count logging is > important for us. Other applications (i.e. Firefox and Adobe Reader) > are correctly logged. > Incidentally, if the Collate option is selected, the number of > copies are correctly tallied. > Does anyone know of a way to correct this issue? File a bug report? Nils Breunese. From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 22:09:19 2008 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux for High School students? Message-ID: <703568.61059.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> This is a general Linux-in-education question, not really a K12LTSP question nor even a thin client question. Hopefully this isn't too far off topic, as I don't know where else to post-- My general environment is a high school (which is very different from lower grades) with something like one computer per four students (plentiful but not assigned to individuals). The computers are in classrooms (including "study hall") and the library, not in "labs", so adult supervison is spotty. Students use the computers in kiosk fashion, except with access to their own network "home directory". Use is mainly for web access, presentations, and word processing (use of other applications is very very low). I'm looking into deploying Linux workstations into this environment. Security, maintainability, and usability are paramount issues: Is bootup fast enough for impatient students? Will computers resist breakin attempts by students for ten minutes until a teacher comes by? Is IT automatically notified of repeated breakin attempts (indicating the need to move the computer to a better location)? Can computers be "unlocked" fairly quickly by IT staff for maintenance? Do systems react gracefully to impatient students pounding on keyboards and mice? Do disks never ever fill up? Do systems react gracefully to "forgotten" CDs still in the drive? Can system configuration files never be trashed? Are all peripherals (CD, USB sticks, sound) usable by all students? Do systems react gracefully to repeated abrupt power-offs? Will abused systems restore themselves to usefulness without manual IT intervention? I've been surprised that even distributions specifically aimed at education don't seem to address the concerns of this environment all that well. I expected to just follow a HowTo; instead, I've found myself "rolling my own" solution too many times. Is there a cache of useful information or a better specialized distribution I'm unaware of? Am I missing the forest for the trees? Is Linux really as new to the semi-anonymous high school environment as it seems? Has anybody else had a similar experience? thanks! -Chuck Kollars ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From nick at trilliumcharterschool.org Mon Mar 10 22:17:30 2008 From: nick at trilliumcharterschool.org (Nick Fenger) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:17:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] All the clients became German??? In-Reply-To: <904774730803100913ud970b66jf34cdac1d8f383ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <904774730803100913ud970b66jf34cdac1d8f383ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This happened to us and I found out that a few of my students were changing the language setting on the terminal login screen. When the next student logged in they got the wrong language. After logging in, their default language would change to the and cause them to use the wrong language every time they logged in. This really caused problems when printing since the language settings also define default paper sizes for OpenOffice. I was able to allow only English by modifying /etc/gdm/locale.alias (Fedora 6). Remove all languages except this one: English(USA) en_US.UTF-8,en_US 2008/3/10 Todd O'Bryan : > Suddenly all of the keyboard layouts defaulted to German on all my > clients, for no apparent reason. > > Anybody have any idea why this might happen and how I can fix it? > > This is Ubuntu 7.04 and 7.10 with the LTSP packages. > > Thanks, > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Trillium Charter School MS Advisor Math & Technology Teacher Technology Coordinator www.trilliumcharterschool.org Trillium Charter School is democratically-structured environment that fosters students' natural curiosity, creativity, and self-awareness. Students learn to take initiative and assume responsibility for their own learning, which supports constructive interaction with the local, regional, and global community. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Mar 11 02:47:10 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:47:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux for High School students? In-Reply-To: <703568.61059.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <703568.61059.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1205203630.3833.80.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Hi Chuck! You have a pile of valid concerns and I'll try to answer them as best I can. On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 15:09 -0700, Chuck Kollars wrote: > This is a general Linux-in-education question, not > really a K12LTSP question nor even a thin client > question. Hopefully this isn't too far off topic, as I > don't know where else to post-- > > > My general environment is a high school (which is very > different from lower grades) with something like one > computer per four students (plentiful but not assigned > to individuals). The computers are in classrooms > (including "study hall") and the library, not in > "labs", so adult supervison is spotty. Students use > the computers in kiosk fashion, except with access to > their own network "home directory". Use is mainly for > web access, presentations, and word processing (use of > other applications is very very low). > > I'm looking into deploying Linux workstations into > this environment. Security, maintainability, and > usability are paramount issues: Is bootup fast enough > for impatient students? Systems should not need to be rebooted. Students should logout only. Edit the /etc/inittab file and comment out the # Trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t3 -r now to read # Trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE # ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t3 -r now Also remove the ability to power off the machine for non-admin users with the gui under the system menu using saybayon > Will computers resist breakin > attempts by students for ten minutes until a teacher > comes by? Under most circumstances, yes. If not 1. keep an eye on that student and 2. hire them to help out. > Is IT automatically notified of repeated > breakin attempts (indicating the need to move the > computer to a better location)? Not by default but scripts can be generated to look for events that flag for help. > Can computers be > "unlocked" fairly quickly by IT staff for maintenance? No. These are *NIX systems that provide for most all maintenance by remote access over a fully encrypted, secure channel. These are not like legacy windows machines that require much support to be local. That said, Linux (like all UNIX-based systems) are designed for teams of support people. By placing users in the "wheel" group and/or providing sudo capabilities, the designated people can administer the machines. > Do systems react gracefully to impatient students > pounding on keyboards and mice? No better or worse than any other system. That said, because Linux systems were designed from the ground up to be multi-user, multi-tasking, network-centric systems they don't typically exhibit the symptoms that cause impatience. > Do disks never ever > fill up? ?? Of course they do. But in a school environment, the users space is on a central server and only application binaries are on the "client" machines. So migrating to a larger set of drives is done at a single locations (Segate make a 1TB drive). > Do systems react gracefully to "forgotten" > CDs still in the drive? CD's and USB memory sticks are handled differently than they are in Microsoft land. The CD will not just pop out when you press the button on the tray. The "eject" must be used (right click on the CD icon on the desktop and select "eject". If the CD is in use, and I mean any file is open, the eject will gripe out an error). The same is true fo USB memory sticks. They can be pulled out but that can scramble the data on them. That is a problem with any system as there is no locking process. > Can system configuration files > never be trashed? Not by normal users without them doing something malicious and deliberate to circumvent the by-design security (i.e. users are not allowed to break anything but their own stuff). > Are all peripherals (CD, USB sticks, > sound) usable by all students? If the system is configured for multiple users, once logged in, each user can use the CD, sound, USB stuff. > Do systems react > gracefully to repeated abrupt power-offs? The short answer is no system will take kindly to that. Long version: Linux systems are quite robust. The journaling file systems (ext3) are rather good at recovering from a bozo-user event. But any system can be damaged by repeated abuse. If you want abuse-proof (nearly) systems, go all thin client. They don't have hard drives to get scrambled. > Will abused > systems restore themselves to usefulness without > manual IT intervention? In most cases, yes. If no admin after student that should be banished to pencil and paper yanks the power cord out repeatedly is a requirement, go thin client. There are other ways to force boot things but they require some serious configuration. > > I've been surprised that even distributions > specifically aimed at education don't seem to address > the concerns of this environment all that well. I > expected to just follow a HowTo; instead, I've found > myself "rolling my own" solution too many times. Is > there a cache of useful information or a better > specialized distribution I'm unaware of? Nope. > Am I missing > the forest for the trees? Yep. Linux for the most part "Just Works". My kids have grown up using Linux. My 17 year really comes in grousing about the crappy windows machines at her school. Her school system is experimenting with Linux but the decision makers are still in "no one gets fired for using Windows" mentality. That will change. > Is Linux really as new to > the semi-anonymous high school environment as it > seems? Yes and no. Linux is relatively new to the K12 arena. Colleges and research facilities have been using it for the past 15 years. K12 is _always_ slow and usually gets the most expensive and worst quality stuff because they just can't attract the high-end of the tech crowd ("I run the servers for a middle school" is just nowhere near as cool as "I run servers at Google" :) so they are easy prey for the technology sales reps. If you want tank-like setup, use thin clients. That reduces the user system maintenance to "does it have power and networking?". > Has anybody else had a similar experience? > > thanks! > > -Chuck Kollars > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From hamedsuhli at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 05:26:18 2008 From: hamedsuhli at gmail.com (Hamed alSuhli) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:26:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] question about windows control Message-ID: <47D617FA.8010200@gmail.com> Hi there, I have Ethernet Lan of a few windows desktops, and want to share that desktops, and voice chat with single Linux workstation one at a time. this Linux workstation used also as data backup archive for windows 2003 based server. I want to control the win desktops from Linux not the reverse. what is the suitable distro and application?? could LTSB work here. best Regards. -- Hamed alSuhli, Semantic Arabic Encoding and Format TARMEEZ maintainer. http://sourceforge.net/projects/tarmeez From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Mar 11 05:36:42 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:36:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux for High School students? In-Reply-To: <703568.61059.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <703568.61059.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D61A6A.8020701@cmosnetworks.com> OK, I'll take a stab at this. Linux in *any* school is a good idea, for so many reasons. Easier maintenance is just one of them. What you describe sounds like a great application for LTSP and thin clients--some might even say "the canonical case if ever there was one." Here's why: 1.) If the kids physically beat up on the thin clients, no problem; just swap out an old PC that PXE-boots. Done. Very inexpensive fix. 2.) You only install the apps that you want. If you don't want to give them, say, OpenOffice.org, then don't install it. You want them to have basically only Firefox, then you can do that. 3.) If you've got the LTSP server locked away (yes, you always need physical security!), then the kids can't mess with the server and get root. 4.) If you're worried about power outages, then just put the LTSP server on an UPS. APCUPSD, which comes with most GNU/Linux distributions, will execute a clean shutdown of the server if the power outage goes for too long and the UPS batteries start getting low. Much like PowerChute Plus. 5.) Relating to #4, the thin clients won't ever have filesystem corruption. They're thin clients--no hard disk to corrupt! :-) 6.) You don't need to "unlock" the system (I assume you mean similar to Deep Freeze on MS Windows here). IT staff are the only ones who should have root. You just become root, and the system's unlocked--FOR YOU--until you exit out of root mode. 7.) A GNU/Linux system is by nature considerably more resistant to attempted break-ins than one running, say, MS Windows. It's just built better. It will certainly last the 10 minutes that you mentioned below. That said, *NO SYSTEM* remains that way unless you do your regular security updates. Nor will any system resist break-in attempts well if you just configure it to be wide-open, obviously. 8.) Should you get cracked, 0wn3d, or whatever term you prefer, then yes, IT staff definitely will need to get involved. Big time. Again, that's with *any* system, be it MS Windows, Novell NetWare, GNU/Linux, OpenBSD--even the IBM Mainframe z/OS. No system that I know of automatically "heals itself" once it's been compromised. 9.) Hard disks will, sooner or later, *always* fill up. Again, any system. However, another big issue, disk fragmentation, tends to be handled a lot better with GNU/Linux than with Microsoft's NTFS. Not that the NTFS is "bad", necessarily; it was a most welcome improvement over FAT. But ext3 simply does it better. Now, for your question about "does the USB stuff work," that depends on whether you're in a "thick client" or LTSP environment. Those answers differ. With GNU/Linux thick clients, I can tell you that every USB device that *I* have personally tried has worked with no problem. That includes USB thumb drives, portable hard disks, digital cameras, and HP OfficeJets. I've not had a sound card "not work" for many years. However, if your machine uses Broadcom wireless, then that takes a small amount of tweaking to make work. That's only an issue with wireless laptops, really. But you should know about it. With thin clients, remember that, in an LTSP environment, everything runs on the server, not the thin client. Despite that, YES, you can save to certain local storage media on the thin client. The LTSP development team did some very clever hackery to make that work! I've done this with floppies many times. I also read that USB thumb drives have been supported since K12LTSP 4.4.1 (there's a Wiki entry on how to make this work). Presumably that would include any other kind of "normal" USB storage medium, such as a USB portable hard disk or digital camera. Hopefully this helps. I could easily put more in here, but it's probably already too long. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Chuck Kollars wrote: > This is a general Linux-in-education question, not > really a K12LTSP question nor even a thin client > question. Hopefully this isn't too far off topic, as I > don't know where else to post-- > > > My general environment is a high school (which is very > different from lower grades) with something like one > computer per four students (plentiful but not assigned > to individuals). The computers are in classrooms > (including "study hall") and the library, not in > "labs", so adult supervison is spotty. Students use > the computers in kiosk fashion, except with access to > their own network "home directory". Use is mainly for > web access, presentations, and word processing (use of > other applications is very very low). > > I'm looking into deploying Linux workstations into > this environment. Security, maintainability, and > usability are paramount issues: Is bootup fast enough > for impatient students? Will computers resist breakin > attempts by students for ten minutes until a teacher > comes by? Is IT automatically notified of repeated > breakin attempts (indicating the need to move the > computer to a better location)? Can computers be > "unlocked" fairly quickly by IT staff for maintenance? > Do systems react gracefully to impatient students > pounding on keyboards and mice? Do disks never ever > fill up? Do systems react gracefully to "forgotten" > CDs still in the drive? Can system configuration files > never be trashed? Are all peripherals (CD, USB sticks, > sound) usable by all students? Do systems react > gracefully to repeated abrupt power-offs? Will abused > systems restore themselves to usefulness without > manual IT intervention? > > I've been surprised that even distributions > specifically aimed at education don't seem to address > the concerns of this environment all that well. I > expected to just follow a HowTo; instead, I've found > myself "rolling my own" solution too many times. Is > there a cache of useful information or a better > specialized distribution I'm unaware of? Am I missing > the forest for the trees? Is Linux really as new to > the semi-anonymous high school environment as it > seems? Has anybody else had a similar experience? > > thanks! > > -Chuck Kollars > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 12:12:24 2008 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:12:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to change own user password In-Reply-To: References: <47CF9490.2090408@bortal.de> <47D01BE1.7000406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D67728.5080207@gmail.com> Krsnendu dasa wrote: > Does this work for non-root users? When I tried something similar in the > pass only root could change passwords. It seemed that users could change > their own passwds, but they never actually changed. Maybe it was the way > smbldap was set up. It thought that a way around this would be to make a > script that runs sudo that calls the smbldap passwd script. all users > would need sudo rights to run just the script. > It works for me. If only root can change passwords, then you may need to check our your LDAP configuration to make sure that the password attributes (all 3 of them) are writeable by the user. A simple ACL *similar* to this should work: # basic password protection -jrl access to attrs=userpassword,sambaLMpassword,sambaNTpassword by dn="uid=root,ou=Users,dc=ascs,dc=net" write by self write by * auth access to * by dn="uid=root,ou=Users,dc=ascs,dc=net" write by * read > On 07/03/2008, *John Lucas* > wrote: > > ml at bortal.de wrote: > > Hello List, > > > > how can the users change their own password in a unix shell? > > > > foobar at PDC:~$ passwd > > Enter login(LDAP) password: > > New password: > > Re-enter new password: > > LDAP password information update failed: Unknown error > > > > passwd: Permission denied > > > > > If you are using SMBLDAP then using "smbpasswd" works to change both the > Unix and Samba passwords stored in LDAP, just make sure that it acts > on the PDC. Assuming the PDC is named "pdchost": > > smbpasswd -r pdchost username > > It will prompt for for old and new passwords. You can put it on a GUI > menu with xterm: > > xterm -e "smbpasswd -r pdchost $USER" > > > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Mar 11 12:53:41 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:53:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] question about windows control In-Reply-To: <47D617FA.8010200@gmail.com> References: <47D617FA.8010200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D680D5.70808@scheie.homedns.org> Like most things, it depends. If the Linux workstation is sufficiently powerful, you may be able to turn it into an LTSP server, and then use the Window boxes as thin clients. But if the primary task is doing voice chat, I don't think using thin clients for that will be easy (if even possible). Peter Hamed alSuhli wrote: > Hi there, > > I have Ethernet Lan of a few windows desktops, and want to share that > desktops, and voice chat with single Linux workstation one at a time. > this Linux workstation used also as data backup archive for windows 2003 > based > server. > I want to control the win desktops from Linux not the reverse. > what is the suitable distro and application?? > > could LTSB work here. > > best Regards. > > -- > Hamed alSuhli, > Semantic Arabic Encoding and Format TARMEEZ maintainer. > http://sourceforge.net/projects/tarmeez > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Mar 11 13:02:31 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:02:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux for High School students? In-Reply-To: <47D61A6A.8020701@cmosnetworks.com> References: <703568.61059.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <47D61A6A.8020701@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <47D682E7.5050009@scheie.homedns.org> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > 9.) Hard disks will, sooner or later, *always* fill up. Again, any > system. However, another big issue, disk fragmentation, tends to be > handled a lot better with GNU/Linux than with Microsoft's NTFS. Not > that the NTFS is "bad", necessarily; it was a most welcome improvement > over FAT. But ext3 simply does it better. Two points here, in response to Chuck's question, is that with Linux/LTSP, you can 1) easily set disk quotas for users, to prevent them from consuming all the disk space (intentionally or not); 2) the users' directories can all be easily placed on a separate partition, so that if a user does suddenly manage to gobble up a bunch of space, it does not stop the system from running; it's also easier to upgrade the system without disrupting the users' files. Peter From hamedsuhli at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 13:23:11 2008 From: hamedsuhli at gmail.com (Hamed alSuhli) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:23:11 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] question about windows control In-Reply-To: <47D680D5.70808@scheie.homedns.org> References: <47D617FA.8010200@gmail.com> <47D680D5.70808@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <47D687BF.3060105@gmail.com> Linux workstation is sufficiently powerful, for managing 4Tear Bytes HDDs. as an addition task, we want to use it to view other desktops (like vnc) and rarely control, this is simple. but the importance is for efficient voice chatting with other windows clients. it's good to have one solution like net support but it's windows. Peter Scheie wrote: > Like most things, it depends. If the Linux workstation is > sufficiently powerful, you may be able to turn it into an LTSP server, > and then use the Window boxes as thin clients. But if the primary > task is doing voice chat, I don't think using thin clients for that > will be easy (if even possible). > > Peter > > Hamed alSuhli wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> I have Ethernet Lan of a few windows desktops, and want to share that >> desktops, and voice chat with single Linux workstation one at a time. >> this Linux workstation used also as data backup archive for windows 2003 >> based >> server. >> I want to control the win desktops from Linux not the reverse. >> what is the suitable distro and application?? >> >> could LTSB work here. >> >> best Regards. >> >> -- >> Hamed alSuhli, >> Semantic Arabic Encoding and Format TARMEEZ maintainer. >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/tarmeez > From toddobryan at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 02:52:41 2008 From: toddobryan at gmail.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:52:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] All the clients became German??? In-Reply-To: References: <904774730803100913ud970b66jf34cdac1d8f383ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <904774730803111952o6e1191cfqaf01e18c1ba5394a@mail.gmail.com> We actually solved the mystery. One of my seniors who helps me administer the lab had downloaded a new config file, but hadn't noticed that it changed the default keyboard to German. He was pretty embarrassed, but given how much work he does and how seldom he makes mistakes, I'm more amused than annoyed. Thanks for the ideas, though. Todd 2008/3/10 Nick Fenger : > This happened to us and I found out that a few of my students were > changing the language setting on the terminal login screen. When the next > student logged in they got the wrong language. After logging in, their > default language would change to the and cause them to use the wrong > language every time they logged in. This really caused problems when > printing since the language settings also define default paper sizes for > OpenOffice. > > I was able to allow only English by modifying /etc/gdm/locale.alias > (Fedora 6). > > Remove all languages except this one: > English(USA) en_US.UTF-8,en_US > > 2008/3/10 Todd O'Bryan : > > > Suddenly all of the keyboard layouts defaulted to German on all my > > clients, for no apparent reason. > > > > Anybody have any idea why this might happen and how I can fix it? > > > > This is Ubuntu 7.04 and 7.10 with the LTSP packages. > > > > Thanks, > > Todd > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Trillium Charter School > MS Advisor > Math & Technology Teacher > Technology Coordinator > > > www.trilliumcharterschool.org > > Trillium Charter School is democratically-structured environment that > fosters students' natural curiosity, creativity, and self-awareness. > Students learn to take initiative and assume responsibility for their own > learning, which supports constructive interaction with the local, regional, > and global community. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 18:44:15 2008 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:44:15 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] How to change own user password In-Reply-To: <47D67728.5080207@gmail.com> References: <47CF9490.2090408@bortal.de> <47D01BE1.7000406@gmail.com> <47D67728.5080207@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks. Which config file would I put this? On 12/03/2008, John Lucas wrote: > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > Does this work for non-root users? When I tried something similar in the > > pass only root could change passwords. It seemed that users could change > > their own passwds, but they never actually changed. Maybe it was the way > > smbldap was set up. It thought that a way around this would be to make a > > script that runs sudo that calls the smbldap passwd script. all users > > would need sudo rights to run just the script. > > > > > It works for me. If only root can change passwords, then you may need to > check our your LDAP configuration to make sure that the password > attributes (all 3 of them) are writeable by the user. A simple ACL > *similar* to this should work: > > # basic password protection -jrl > access to attrs=userpassword,sambaLMpassword,sambaNTpassword > by dn="uid=root,ou=Users,dc=ascs,dc=net" write > by self write > by * auth > > access to * > by dn="uid=root,ou=Users,dc=ascs,dc=net" write > by * read > > > > > > On 07/03/2008, *John Lucas* > > > wrote: > > > > > ml at bortal.de wrote: > > > Hello List, > > > > > > how can the users change their own password in a unix shell? > > > > > > foobar at PDC:~$ passwd > > > Enter login(LDAP) password: > > > New password: > > > Re-enter new password: > > > LDAP password information update failed: Unknown error > > > > > > passwd: Permission denied > > > > > > > > > If you are using SMBLDAP then using "smbpasswd" works to change both the > > Unix and Samba passwords stored in LDAP, just make sure that it acts > > on the PDC. Assuming the PDC is named "pdchost": > > > > smbpasswd -r pdchost username > > > > It will prompt for for old and new passwords. You can put it on a GUI > > menu with xterm: > > > > xterm -e "smbpasswd -r pdchost $USER" > > > > > > > > -- > > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > > - Mark Twain > > > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > > > | > > > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | > > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -- > > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From meelis at nlib.ee Thu Mar 13 06:31:31 2008 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:31:31 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS 5 + LTSP 4.2 USB problem Message-ID: <09c801c884d3$e02e8490$640d10ac@melka> Hi all! I hope you can help me with this problem. I just installed CentOS 5 and installed LTSP 4.2 to it. Everything seems to work like a charm. I can boot the client and can log in however I found that my USB stick does not work. It blinks the led for a few seconds and thats it. No icon or link to USB drive. This is the content of lts.conf file --- X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS = "off" XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)" XkbModel = "pc101" XkbLayout = "us" USE_XFS = N LOCAL_APPS = N SCREEN_01 = startx LOCAL_STORAGE = Y HOTBLUG = Y LTSPFSD_OPTIONS="" SOUND = N SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" VOLUME = 75 X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 X_HORZSYNC = "60-80" X_VERTREFRESH = "60" --------- Clients get this kernel : 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 Is there someting that I have missed? I did a search in google to find a solution for it but several of them (that I could find) were limited to lts.conf that I have allready defined. I would be grateful if someone could help me to solve this issue :) Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Thu Mar 13 07:56:53 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:56:53 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS 5 + LTSP 4.2 USB problem In-Reply-To: <09c801c884d3$e02e8490$640d10ac@melka> References: <09c801c884d3$e02e8490$640d10ac@melka> Message-ID: Meelis Mihhailov wrote: > I hope you can help me with this problem. I just installed CentOS 5 > and installed LTSP 4.2 to it. Why didn't you just install K12LTSP 5EL? That's CentOS 5 + LTSP 4.2 + everything ready to go. > Everything seems to work like a charm. I can boot the client and can > log in however I found that my USB stick does not work. It blinks > the led for a few seconds and thats it. No icon or link to USB drive. > > This is the content of lts.conf file > [snip] > > Clients get this kernel : 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 > > Is there someting that I have missed? I did a search in google to > find a solution for it but several of them (that I could find) were > limited to lts.conf that I have allready defined. > > I would be grateful if someone could help me to solve this issue :) There is something in LTSP called Local Device Access. It just worked out of the box on our K12LTSP setup. If you want to install this yourself there are instructions on the LTSP wiki: http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev Nils Breunese. From meelis at nlib.ee Thu Mar 13 08:11:10 2008 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:11:10 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS 5 + LTSP 4.2 USB problem References: <09c801c884d3$e02e8490$640d10ac@melka> Message-ID: <0a0401c884e1$cbea5820$640d10ac@melka> This is a good question! I had an understanding that there is "ready to use" K12LTSP for CentOS 4 and over looked this 5EL version. Silly me! Also forgot about the Local Device Access thing. I had read it before but as I used FC releace I did not need it as it worked out of the box. Thanks for pointing this out Nils. I'll give 5EL a try :) Meelis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nils Breunese" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS 5 + LTSP 4.2 USB problem > Meelis Mihhailov wrote: > >> I hope you can help me with this problem. I just installed CentOS 5 and >> installed LTSP 4.2 to it. > > Why didn't you just install K12LTSP 5EL? That's CentOS 5 + LTSP 4.2 + > everything ready to go. > >> Everything seems to work like a charm. I can boot the client and can log >> in however I found that my USB stick does not work. It blinks the led >> for a few seconds and thats it. No icon or link to USB drive. >> >> This is the content of lts.conf file >> [snip] >> >> Clients get this kernel : 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 >> >> Is there someting that I have missed? I did a search in google to find a >> solution for it but several of them (that I could find) were limited to >> lts.conf that I have allready defined. >> >> I would be grateful if someone could help me to solve this issue :) > > There is something in LTSP called Local Device Access. It just worked out > of the box on our K12LTSP setup. If you want to install this yourself > there are instructions on the LTSP wiki: > http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 12:52:10 2008 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:52:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to change own user password In-Reply-To: References: <47CF9490.2090408@bortal.de> <47D01BE1.7000406@gmail.com> <47D67728.5080207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D9237A.1090203@gmail.com> Krsnendu dasa wrote: > Thanks. Which config file would I put this? > That would be in your "slapd.conf" file(s). You should look for commented-out acl likely to already be there. Remember to put your own domain info in place of mine. I highly recommend the book "LDAP System Administration" by Gerald Carter as a highly practical reference. > On 12/03/2008, John Lucas wrote: >> Krsnendu dasa wrote: >> > Does this work for non-root users? When I tried something similar in the >> > pass only root could change passwords. It seemed that users could change >> > their own passwds, but they never actually changed. Maybe it was the way >> > smbldap was set up. It thought that a way around this would be to make a >> > script that runs sudo that calls the smbldap passwd script. all users >> > would need sudo rights to run just the script. >> > >> >> >> It works for me. If only root can change passwords, then you may need to >> check our your LDAP configuration to make sure that the password >> attributes (all 3 of them) are writeable by the user. A simple ACL >> *similar* to this should work: >> >> # basic password protection -jrl >> access to attrs=userpassword,sambaLMpassword,sambaNTpassword >> by dn="uid=root,ou=Users,dc=ascs,dc=net" write >> by self write >> by * auth >> >> access to * >> by dn="uid=root,ou=Users,dc=ascs,dc=net" write >> by * read >> >> >> >> >> > On 07/03/2008, *John Lucas* > >>> > wrote: >> > ml at bortal.de wrote: >> > > Hello List, >> > > >> > > how can the users change their own password in a unix shell? >> > > >> > > foobar at PDC:~$ passwd >> > > Enter login(LDAP) password: >> > > New password: >> > > Re-enter new password: >> > > LDAP password information update failed: Unknown error >> > > >> > > passwd: Permission denied >> > > >> > >> > >> > If you are using SMBLDAP then using "smbpasswd" works to change both the >> > Unix and Samba passwords stored in LDAP, just make sure that it acts >> > on the PDC. Assuming the PDC is named "pdchost": >> > >> > smbpasswd -r pdchost username >> > >> > It will prompt for for old and new passwords. You can put it on a GUI >> > menu with xterm: >> > >> > xterm -e "smbpasswd -r pdchost $USER" >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." >> > - Mark Twain >> > >> > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com >> >>> | >>> | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | >> > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> > >> > >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> >> >> >> -- >> >> "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." >> - Mark Twain >> >> | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | >> | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | >> | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From jhicks at tcstitans.org Thu Mar 13 16:25:42 2008 From: jhicks at tcstitans.org (Joshua Hicks) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:25:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Small, Current Linux build Message-ID: I have about 25 IBM Thinkpad 600E Pentium II's that are currently running Windows 2000. These have served as the primary computer for teachers at my school and as a laptop cart for students. They are just unable to keep up with most applications coming out today. I would like to switch them all over to a small Linux distro that will be able to perform web browsing and word processing with their limited processor speed. Support for wireless networking with WEP encryption is also needed. Does anyone have a suggestion about a good option? I have tried a couple of versions of DSL, but I need something with a little more GUI capabilities. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are just unable to keep up with most applications coming out today. I would like to switch them all over to a small Linux distro that will be able to perform web browsing and word processing with their limited processor speed. Support for wireless networking with WEP encryption is also needed. Does anyone have a suggestion about a good option? I have tried a couple of versions of DSL, but I need something with a little more GUI capabilities. Thanks From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 13 17:30:20 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:30:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Small, Current Linux build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D9104C.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Alost forgot, most newer KNOPPIX also comes with OpenOffice.org already included. . . DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "Newer isn't always better!" >>> "Joshua Hicks" 3/13/2008 11:25 AM >>> I have about 25 IBM Thinkpad 600E Pentium II's that are currently running Windows 2000. These have served as the primary computer for teachers at my school and as a laptop cart for students. They are just unable to keep up with most applications coming out today. I would like to switch them all over to a small Linux distro that will be able to perform web browsing and word processing with their limited processor speed. Support for wireless networking with WEP encryption is also needed. Does anyone have a suggestion about a good option? I have tried a couple of versions of DSL, but I need something with a little more GUI capabilities. Thanks From tsmith at geneseeschools.org Thu Mar 13 16:25:40 2008 From: tsmith at geneseeschools.org (Travis Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:25:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Small, Current Linux build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D91D44.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> I was playing with PC-linux the other day and was really impressed. Everything worked out-of-box. http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=pclinuxos >>> "Joshua Hicks" 03-13-08 12:25 PM >>> I have about 25 IBM Thinkpad 600E Pentium II's that are currently running Windows 2000. These have served as the primary computer for teachers at my school and as a laptop cart for students. They are just unable to keep up with most applications coming out today. I would like to switch them all over to a small Linux distro that will be able to perform web browsing and word processing with their limited processor speed. Support for wireless networking with WEP encryption is also needed. 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Support for wireless networking with WEP encryption is also > needed. Does anyone have a suggestion about a good option? I have > tried a couple of versions of DSL, but I need something with a little > more GUI capabilities. It's probably their RAM and disk speed that are more limiting than the CPU, but I'd give Centos 3.x a try if you don't like the way they perform with a current Ubuntu. It's still supported with updates and you might like the older, less-bloated apps. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From ericbrow at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 16:44:23 2008 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:44:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Small, Current Linux build In-Reply-To: <47D958C4.60507@futuresource.com> References: <47D958C4.60507@futuresource.com> Message-ID: IMHO-Xubuntu works pretty well for older machines, provided you have at least 128 MB RAM. I would also consider Gos, as you can select only the programs you want to run, rather than getting all those packages you may never use. Eric On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Joshua Hicks wrote: > > I have about 25 IBM Thinkpad 600E Pentium II's that are currently > > running Windows 2000. These have served as the primary computer for > > teachers at my school and as a laptop cart for students. They are just > > unable to keep up with most applications coming out today. I would like > > to switch them all over to a small Linux distro that will be able to > > perform web browsing and word processing with their limited processor > > speed. Support for wireless networking with WEP encryption is also > > needed. Does anyone have a suggestion about a good option? I have > > tried a couple of versions of DSL, but I need something with a little > > more GUI capabilities. > > It's probably their RAM and disk speed that are more limiting than the > CPU, but I'd give Centos 3.x a try if you don't like the way they > perform with a current Ubuntu. It's still supported with updates and > you might like the older, less-bloated apps. > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eholcroft.subscribe at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 17:03:42 2008 From: eholcroft.subscribe at gmail.com (Edward Holcroft) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:03:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Small, Current Linux build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D95E6E.1010409@gmail.com> I use Xubuntu on a Dell PIII notebook with 128MB RAM with great success (even the wi-fi works). Not sure about a PII though. What I can say is that I had to install the alternative release of Xubuntu, even on a PIII, as the live CD didn't run on such low specs. There's also Fluxbuntu, which I haven't tried out yet. ed Joshua Hicks wrote: > I have about 25 IBM Thinkpad 600E Pentium II's that are currently > running Windows 2000. These have served as the primary computer for > teachers at my school and as a laptop cart for students. They are > just unable to keep up with most applications coming out today. I > would like to switch them all over to a small Linux distro that will > be able to perform web browsing and word processing with their limited > processor speed. Support for wireless networking with WEP encryption > is also needed. Does anyone have a suggestion about a good option? I > have tried a couple of versions of DSL, but I need something with a > little more GUI capabilities. > > Thanks > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nils at breun.nl Thu Mar 13 17:08:23 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:08:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Small, Current Linux build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9EEF9CF5-28CC-4DF1-BF3C-904ADA05C896@breun.nl> Joshua Hicks wrote: > I have about 25 IBM Thinkpad 600E Pentium II's that are currently > running Windows 2000. These have served as the primary computer for > teachers at my school and as a laptop cart for students. They are > just unable to keep up with most applications coming out today. I > would like to switch them all over to a small Linux distro that will > be able to perform web browsing and word processing with their > limited processor speed. Support for wireless networking with WEP > encryption is also needed. Does anyone have a suggestion about a > good option? I have tried a couple of versions of DSL, but I need > something with a little more GUI capabilities. They might be good LTSP thin clients? Nils Breunese. From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 17:52:22 2008 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:52:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Small, Current Linux build In-Reply-To: <9EEF9CF5-28CC-4DF1-BF3C-904ADA05C896@breun.nl> References: <9EEF9CF5-28CC-4DF1-BF3C-904ADA05C896@breun.nl> Message-ID: <47D969D6.3040506@gmail.com> Nils Breunese wrote: >> I have about 25 IBM Thinkpad 600E Pentium II's that are currently >> running Windows 2000. These have served as the primary computer for >> teachers at my school and as a laptop cart for students. They are >> just unable to keep up with most applications coming out today. I >> would like to switch them all over to a small Linux distro that will >> be able to perform web browsing and word processing with their limited >> processor speed. Support for wireless networking with WEP encryption >> is also needed. Does anyone have a suggestion about a good option? I >> have tried a couple of versions of DSL, but I need something with a >> little more GUI capabilities. > > They might be good LTSP thin clients? I'm setting up some older iBooks right now as wireless "thick" clients. I'm installing Ubuntu Server (I already had the CD and the initial install doesn't install much). I then install two packages, xserver-xorg and xfonts-base. In rc.local I run the commands to setup wireless and connect to an access point, and then run: X -query ltsp.server (where ltsp.server is the machine running ltsp). I also setup a user called shutdown (with no password) who has sudo access to "halt". Its login script calls halt, so a teacher just has to control-alt-backspace to kill X and login as shutdown, which proceeds to shutdown the machine. My next goal is to figure out how to image these machines so I can setup a bunch of them (since they're PPC, it's a little trickier than i386). -- Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator - http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ http://ryancollins.org/wp/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What I can say is that I had to install the > alternative release of Xubuntu, even on a PIII, as the live > CD didn't run on such low specs. > > There's also Fluxbuntu, which I haven't tried out yet. > > ed > > Joshua Hicks wrote: > > I have about 25 IBM Thinkpad 600E Pentium II's that are currently > > running Windows 2000. These have served as the primary > computer for > > teachers at my school and as a laptop cart for students. They are > > just unable to keep up with most applications coming out today. I > > would like to switch them all over to a small Linux distro > that will > > be able to perform web browsing and word processing with > their limited > > processor speed. Support for wireless networking with WEP > encryption > > is also needed. Does anyone have a suggestion about a good > option? I > > have tried a couple of versions of DSL, but I need something with a > > little more GUI capabilities. > > > > Thanks > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Mar 13 18:13:52 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:13:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Small, Current Linux build In-Reply-To: <47D91028.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <47D91028.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <47D96EE0.6090401@cmosnetworks.com> Unless you need OpenOffice.org, that is. If you can use KOffice--while using the KDE desktop--then I'd agree with you. I'd also stick with Konqueror instead of Firefox. The reason for that is the shared-library effect. I run Kubuntu Dapper Drake on a PowerBook G3-400MHz with 256MB DRAM, and when I run it in this configuration, it's surprisingly snappy for such an old machine. But when I fire up OpenOffice.org and Firefox...then I start swapping to the disk. Not horribly, but it does slow things down some. An older version of Knoppix won't do it, either, because one of two things will happen: 1.) Your box will get cracked due to not having the latest security updates. 2.) The first "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" will put you at the latest Debian Sid anyway (remember, Knoppix installed to the HD actually *is* Debian Sid). Someone mentioned installing CentOS 3 on these boxes. I think that's the best idea if you need thick clients, since CentOS 3 remains a supported platform. But I also agree with Nils's suggestion about using them as thin clients if you can. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Doug Simpson wrote: > If they have 265MB RAM, then KNOPPIX works pretty good and I believe the newer KNOPPIX had support for wireless. .. > > It can also be hard drive installed (it runs ****MMMUUUCCCHHH*** better that way. > > Sometimes, though older versions of KNOPPIX works better on older computers because the newer they are, it seems the more resources they need. > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "Newer isn't always better!" > > > >>>> "Joshua Hicks" 3/13/2008 11:25 AM >>> >>>> > I have about 25 IBM Thinkpad 600E Pentium II's that are currently running > Windows 2000. These have served as the primary computer for teachers at my > school and as a laptop cart for students. They are just unable to keep up > with most applications coming out today. I would like to switch them all > over to a small Linux distro that will be able to perform web browsing and > word processing with their limited processor speed. Support for wireless > networking with WEP encryption is also needed. Does anyone have a > suggestion about a good option? I have tried a couple of versions of DSL, > but I need something with a little more GUI capabilities. > > Thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bullet at sc.rr.com Thu Mar 13 23:56:49 2008 From: bullet at sc.rr.com (Tom Simpson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:56:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Small, Current Linux build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D9BF41.2070500@sc.rr.com> My personal favorite: http://wolvix.org This is a very clever lightweight respin of Slackware and Linux-Live that is at the perfect balance point between a full heavyweight distro like Ubuntu and something super-stripped-down like DSL. It ships with both OOo and Firefox. Everything about it just works, including its very slick HD install option. The wireless support is pretty good, too. I am setting up a lab at the nonprofit I am working with using PII and low-end Celeron-class boxes, and they love it. Give it a go. You wont be sorry. :-) -Tom Joshua Hicks wrote: > I have about 25 IBM Thinkpad 600E Pentium II's that are currently > running Windows 2000. These have served as the primary computer for > teachers at my school and as a laptop cart for students. They are > just unable to keep up with most applications coming out today. I > would like to switch them all over to a small Linux distro that will > be able to perform web browsing and word processing with their limited > processor speed. Support for wireless networking with WEP encryption > is also needed. Does anyone have a suggestion about a good option? I > have tried a couple of versions of DSL, but I need something with a > little more GUI capabilities. > > Thanks > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From likuidkewl at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 19:42:26 2008 From: likuidkewl at gmail.com (Dan) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:42:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Small, Current Linux build In-Reply-To: <47D96EE0.6090401@cmosnetworks.com> References: <47D91028.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47D96EE0.6090401@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <56f8d0620803131242k56b72b0bsba2897913ac6686e@mail.gmail.com> > Someone mentioned installing CentOS 3 on these boxes. I think that's the > best idea if you need thick clients, since CentOS 3 remains a supported > platform. But I also agree with Nils's suggestion about using them as thin > clients if you can. >---------------------------- > If they have 265MB RAM, then KNOPPIX works pretty good and I believe the > newer KNOPPIX had support for wireless. .. > > It can also be hard drive installed (it runs ****MMMUUUCCCHHH*** better that > way. > > Sometimes, though older versions of KNOPPIX works better on older computers > because the newer they are, it seems the more resources they need. > > DS > Using Centos and Wireless is a bit of a chore even at 5.1, so I can't even imagine what it is like at 3. we had an older P2 that we were playing with and I had installed the light version of PCLinux(minime) and it seemed to work well. http://www.pclinuxos.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=58&topic=38535.0 -- Dan Maranville From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Mar 14 04:51:41 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpIEpyLiI=?=) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:51:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Small, Current Linux build In-Reply-To: <56f8d0620803131242k56b72b0bsba2897913ac6686e@mail.gmail.com> References: <47D91028.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <47D96EE0.6090401@cmosnetworks.com> <56f8d0620803131242k56b72b0bsba2897913ac6686e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DA045D.5030805@cmosnetworks.com> Dan wrote: > > Using Centos and Wireless is a bit of a chore even at 5.1, so I can't > even imagine what it is like at 3. we had an older P2 that we were > playing with and I had installed the light version of PCLinux(minime) > and it seemed to work well. > http://www.pclinuxos.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=58&topic=38535.0 > Depends, I suppose, on which wireless card it is. I did some Googling, and it turns out that the IBM ThinkPad 600E's didn't come with built-in wireless NIC's. But they do have PCMCIA slots. I'm assuming here that your wireless NIC's are PCMCIA. We need to know which wireless chipset is in the NIC's that are installed in those machines. "lspci" should be helpful in this regard. Also, we need to know whether they're 802.11b or 802.11g cards. Virtually all 802.11b cards are supported in Linux 2.4. However, with 802.11g, I'd make sure I stayed with Ralink or Realtek only. Since their programming specs are open, those two chipset families tend to be very well supported by Free Software (unlike that Broadcom crap). --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Fri Mar 14 15:26:37 2008 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:26:37 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Small,=20Current=20Linux?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20build?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DA60ED020000BB0000ABDB@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> I'm surprised that no one mentionned puppy-Linux, similar to DSL, can be loaded onto USB-key, live-cd, hard disk, external HD. I use the CE (community edition) that includes OO and its blazingly fast on a P3. Supports Wireless cards. http://www.puppylinux.org/user/viewpage.php?page_id=1 Give it a try. >>> "Joshua Hicks" 2008-03-13 12:25:42 >>> I have about 25 IBM Thinkpad 600E Pentium II's that are currently running Windows 2000. These have served as the primary computer for teachers at my school and as a laptop cart for students. They are just unable to keep up with most applications coming out today. I would like to switch them all over to a small Linux distro that will be able to perform web browsing and word processing with their limited processor speed. Support for wireless networking with WEP encryption is also needed. Does anyone have a suggestion about a good option? I have tried a couple of versions of DSL, but I need something with a little more GUI capabilities. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Fri Mar 14 15:46:50 2008 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Squid problem on 64bit Centos 5 Message-ID: Dear Folks, I'm trying to use an Athlon 64 bit box for a squidguard. I have loaded K125EL on it, configured the squidguard as per k12 site instuctions and ... the redirected traffic doesn't get the users to -most- sites. It is the same with just squid running, The setup is essentially the same as on my old, old squidguard box. Any suggestions for a quick look-see? Thanks, julius From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 16:18:06 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:18:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound and Flash revisited (again) Message-ID: I had sound with flash working, then with an upgrade it has stopped, again. I used rpmforge to download the latest (115) for CentOS 5 based on some list email from January. However I do not have any sound. /tmp/.esd/socket exists. esdplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav plays correctly. Is there a step-by-step set of instructions for getting this working? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From moseley at hank.org Fri Mar 14 19:28:13 2008 From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:28:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction to LTSP presentations? Message-ID: <20080314192813.GB30403@hank.org> I'm wondering if there are any Open Office presentations floating around that would be useful to introduce the concept of LTSP to an audience of teachers and staff? Thanks, -- Bill Moseley moseley at hank.org From rowens at ptd.net Fri Mar 14 22:21:10 2008 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:21:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Small, Current Linux build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080314222110.GA679@junker.owens.net> Some of the lightweights I've tried: DSL Puppy Linux Vector Linux Xubuntu Debian with XFCE DSL and Puppy were probably the fastest on old hardware. Vector was pretty fast, and very nice looking. I never used those 3 for very long though (I was just experimenting). I have used XFCE on some old machines and was pretty happy with it. It definitely runs faster than Gnome on the older hardware (at least Gnome with its default Ubuntu settings). -Rob On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:25:42PM -0400, Joshua Hicks wrote: > I have about 25 IBM Thinkpad 600E Pentium II's that are currently running > Windows 2000. These have served as the primary computer for teachers at my > school and as a laptop cart for students. They are just unable to keep up > with most applications coming out today. I would like to switch them all > over to a small Linux distro that will be able to perform web browsing and > word processing with their limited processor speed. Support for wireless > networking with WEP encryption is also needed. Does anyone have a > suggestion about a good option? I have tried a couple of versions of DSL, > but I need something with a little more GUI capabilities. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 14 23:24:08 2008 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:24:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Small, Current Linux build In-Reply-To: <20080314222110.GA679@junker.owens.net> References: <20080314222110.GA679@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <994441ae0803141624l64c84898ke5b8f90012bdf9a4@mail.gmail.com> There is an XFCE spin of Fedora 8 also: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ The Fedora LiveCDs are installable too. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > Some of the lightweights I've tried: > > DSL > Puppy Linux > Vector Linux > Xubuntu > Debian with XFCE > > DSL and Puppy were probably the fastest on old hardware. Vector was pretty fast, and very nice looking. I never used those 3 for very long though (I was just experimenting). I have used XFCE on some old machines and was pretty happy with it. It definitely runs faster than Gnome on the older hardware (at least Gnome with its default Ubuntu settings). > > -Rob > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:25:42PM -0400, Joshua Hicks wrote: > > I have about 25 IBM Thinkpad 600E Pentium II's that are currently running > > Windows 2000. These have served as the primary computer for teachers at my > > school and as a laptop cart for students. They are just unable to keep up > > with most applications coming out today. I would like to switch them all > > over to a small Linux distro that will be able to perform web browsing and > > word processing with their limited processor speed. Support for wireless > > networking with WEP encryption is also needed. Does anyone have a > > suggestion about a good option? I have tried a couple of versions of DSL, > > but I need something with a little more GUI capabilities. > > > > Thanks > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 21:04:51 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:04:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] default configuration questions In-Reply-To: <46F92F4E.2000402@bio-chemvalve.com> References: <20070925132955.00FA45101E9@mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <46F92F4E.2000402@bio-chemvalve.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560803151404o72a9f67ap2a5413995c1a2795@mail.gmail.com> How odd is this problem! I tried "sleep 10" instead of the read. It just waited 10 seconds before switching to screen_02 by itself. Any other ways to avoid this behavior? Thanks, Peter On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:54 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > I came up with a solution to the "random screen" problem a few weeks > back. See this thread: > http://marc.info/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=118822138808083&w=2 > > Basically it involves inserting a 'read' statement into the screen > scripts located in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screen.d/ > > I can also email the list with my screen scripts if anyone thinks it > would be useful. Hmm, maybe I should put this on the wiki. > > -Rob > > > > Jon Harder wrote: > > I have three configuration issues that I have not been able to > > resolve. > > > > First, how can I set the preferred mailreader to default to thunderbird? > > That is, when a user first logs on, it is already thunderbird and they > > do not need to select it via the System -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> > > Prefered Applications menu. > > > > My second question involves selecting a default login screen for the client > > computers. My current configuration includes this in > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf: > > > > SCREEN_01 = startx > > SCREEN_02 = rdesktop > > RDP_SERVER = tserve > > RDP_OPTIONS = -a 16 -f > > SCREEN_03 = shell > > > > Clients randomly choose between SCREEN_01 and SCREEN_02 when they > > start up. I want it to open consistently on SCREEN_01. Hopefully most > > users won't even need to know about rdesktop. I tried delaying the startup > > of SCREEN_02 with a sleep of several seconds, but no luck with that. > > > > Finally, how do I change the default image on the linux login screen. > > Does it need to be a certain size? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Jon Harder > > Mountain Lake (MN) Public Schools > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Sun Mar 16 22:15:55 2008 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:15:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and LDAP and Home drive mapping. Message-ID: I figured out how to solve my problem added by add smb home = with nothing after equal sign then I edit my smbldap.conf and made sure that login as: root userSmbHome="" was also blank. Now my computers do not automatically map the home drive. -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Arnold Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 5:01 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and LDAP and Home drive mapping. Hi all, I have an interesting situation that I admit I have cause by accident for convenience of creating user accounts. At my school I have two Samba servers running LDAP one is PDC and the other is BDC. The PDC houses the home folders for the high school and the junior high students and the BDC keeps the home directories for the elementary buildings. Both servers are located in the same building and ip subnet. On the PDC I use webmin to create user accounts for everybody in the school district. Too allow webmin on the PDC server to create user account and home directory for all users in the district I use a nfs mount the home directories of the elementary staff and students from the BDC to the home folder of PDC server. This allows me to create staff and student accounts centrally. The problem with this is since I have the BDC home folders mounted with nfs under home directory of the PDC sometimes the elementary user accounts maps the home directory on the PDC when it should be mapping to the BDC instead. When the elementary users H: drive maps through samba through the nfs mount back to the BDC I get io errors in Windows. I use kixtart for my login script and I have building groups setup for all buildings to use as check for specific building resources. Then I use elementary groups to run a check on where to map their home drive. This way I hard code the bdc server name to the user home share instead of using a variable to this. Here is the strange part most of the time this works pretty well, but for some reason occasionally a elementary user maps to the pdc server instead of the bdc which causes windows io errors on the network drive. I believe what is happening is Windows 2000 and Windows XP are trying map their home drive their self from their user profile instead of using what I try to set from the login script. Does anybody got any ideas? Another thing would be helpful is I really do not care what server the elementary users access their home drive I just would like to know if it is possible to share nfs mount through samba without any io errors? Thanks in advance -Glenn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mo_luscre at mogadore.net Mon Mar 17 17:32:38 2008 From: mo_luscre at mogadore.net (Anthony Luscre) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:32:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction to LTSP presentations? In-Reply-To: <20080314192813.GB30403@hank.org> References: <20080314192813.GB30403@hank.org> Message-ID: <47DEAB36.6080207@mogadore.net> Bill I have a small booklet in PDF format and a presentation (in PPT format) that I used a few years ago at a Techie Conference on LTSP Both are at http://www.mogadore.net/K12LTSP Anthony Moseley wrote: > I'm wondering if there are any Open Office presentations floating > around that would be useful to introduce the concept of LTSP to > an audience of teachers and staff? > > Thanks, > > > -- -----Anthony A. Luscre------ ---Director of Technology--- ---Mogadore Local Schools--- -----Mogadore, Ohio--------- http://www.mogadore.net/tech Visit our Homepage http:/www.mogadore.net Visit our Portal http://www.mogadore.net/portal_pages.html From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Mar 17 20:33:39 2008 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:33:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server losses video, network after x minutes Message-ID: <1205786019.16521.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello ALL, This is probably a " beating a dead horse" type of thing,,,,but,,, our schools file server has run like a champ for the last two years and last week I come in to find one morning it had shutdown. I've put in a new power supply,tried two new CPU's( dual cpu mobo),changed ram. With the new power supply it boots up fine,and works fine for about 45-60 minutes then the peoples home folder will not show up and then I go to server room to find it is still powered on,but no video at this point. I can not vnc to it at this point either.I can not find a thing in the logs that looks suspect. This is a golden oldie install of FC3 since this box only serves as a file server. It is an old dual 866mhz 1 GB ram 5 scsi drives. When I run Smartdrive via Webmin it does show that one of the five drives had 12 read errors. This has been there for a year. This old box has been very adequate for what we use it for,and have it working with Windows Vista,so would like to keep it operational if I can salvage it. When running various commmands from terminal I never get any segfaults,by the way. Many moons ago when I had troubles like this on old versions of K12LTSP,,I usually always got segfaults,,somewere along the way. Anyone ideas? Thanks, Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Mar 17 21:53:31 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:53:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server loses video, network after x minutes Message-ID: <1205790811.3784.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello ALL, This is probably a " beating a dead horse" type of thing,,,,but,,, our schools file server has run like a champ for the last two years and last week I come in to find one morning it had shutdown. I've put in a new power supply,tried two new CPU's( dual cpu mobo),changed ram. With the new power supply it boots up fine,and works fine for about 45-60 minutes then the peoples home folder will not show up and then I go to server room to find it is still powered on,but no video at this point. I can not vnc to it at this point either.I can not find a thing in the logs that looks suspect. This is a golden oldie install of FC3 since this box only serves as a file server. It is an old dual 866mhz 1 GB ram 5 scsi drives. When I run Smartdrive via Webmin it does show that one of the five drives had 12 read errors. This has been there for a year. This old box has been very adequate for what we use it for,and have it working with Windows Vista,so would like to keep it operational if I can salvage it. When running various commmands from terminal I never get any segfaults,by the way. Many moons ago when I had troubles like this on old versions of K12LTSP,,I usually always got segfaults,,somewere along the way. Also has anyone ever messed with the cpuspeed in linux? I have never but thinking of trying it now?..:) Anyone ideas? Thanks, Barry Cisna From tnelson at rockbochs.com Mon Mar 17 22:32:39 2008 From: tnelson at rockbochs.com (Tim Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:32:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] server loses video, network after x minutes In-Reply-To: <1205790811.3784.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <30528978.3911205793159664.JavaMail.root@zmail.rockbochs.com> It sounds to me like a hardware issue since the box isn't responding at all (console or network). It seems the only item of consequence you haven't replaced yet is the motherboard. Considering the specs, assuming you can find one, it shouldn't be terribly expensive. Ebay generally has plenty of Tyan motherboards (Thunder LE-T 25xx series) that match those specs closely... Tim Nelson Systems/Network Support Rockbochs Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Cisna" To: "K12LTSP" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:53:31 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: [K12OSN] server loses video, network after x minutes Hello ALL, This is probably a " beating a dead horse" type of thing,,,,but,,, our schools file server has run like a champ for the last two years and last week I come in to find one morning it had shutdown. I've put in a new power supply,tried two new CPU's( dual cpu mobo),changed ram. With the new power supply it boots up fine,and works fine for about 45-60 minutes then the peoples home folder will not show up and then I go to server room to find it is still powered on,but no video at this point. I can not vnc to it at this point either.I can not find a thing in the logs that looks suspect. This is a golden oldie install of FC3 since this box only serves as a file server. It is an old dual 866mhz 1 GB ram 5 scsi drives. When I run Smartdrive via Webmin it does show that one of the five drives had 12 read errors. This has been there for a year. This old box has been very adequate for what we use it for,and have it working with Windows Vista,so would like to keep it operational if I can salvage it. When running various commmands from terminal I never get any segfaults,by the way. Many moons ago when I had troubles like this on old versions of K12LTSP,,I usually always got segfaults,,somewere along the way. Also has anyone ever messed with the cpuspeed in linux? I have never but thinking of trying it now?..:) Anyone ideas? Thanks, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tsmith at geneseeschools.org Tue Mar 18 13:49:08 2008 From: tsmith at geneseeschools.org (Travis Smith) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:49:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] server losses video, network after x minutes In-Reply-To: <1205786019.16521.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205786019.16521.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47DF9012.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> Hi Bary, I had kinda same problem a couple weeks ago with a old machine that I have Windows 2003 installed for Destiny 8. The machine has been working for years with no problems but come in one day and it appeared to be on but no video. I replaced the power supply and checked ram but still would power down after about 20 minutes. So figured it must be overheating even in a cool room and put a small box fan in front of the machine with side cover off and it never turned off again. So I replaced the fans and heat sink and haven't had a problem since. Good luck! Travis Smith Information Systems Manager www.geneseeschools.org ( http://www.geneseeschools.org/ ) >>> Barry Cisna 03-17-08 4:33 PM >>> Hello ALL, This is probably a " beating a dead horse" type of thing,,,,but,,, our schools file server has run like a champ for the last two years and last week I come in to find one morning it had shutdown. I've put in a new power supply,tried two new CPU's( dual cpu mobo),changed ram. With the new power supply it boots up fine,and works fine for about 45-60 minutes then the peoples home folder will not show up and then I go to server room to find it is still powered on,but no video at this point. I can not vnc to it at this point either.I can not find a thing in the logs that looks suspect. This is a golden oldie install of FC3 since this box only serves as a file server. It is an old dual 866mhz 1 GB ram 5 scsi drives. When I run Smartdrive via Webmin it does show that one of the five drives had 12 read errors. This has been there for a year. This old box has been very adequate for what we use it for,and have it working with Windows Vista,so would like to keep it operational if I can salvage it. When running various commmands from terminal I never get any segfaults,by the way. Many moons ago when I had troubles like this on old versions of K12LTSP,,I usually always got segfaults,,somewere along the way. Anyone ideas? Thanks, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see Scanned by GenNET AV in Scanned by GenNET AV out -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 14:25:53 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:25:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox --no-restore ? Message-ID: <9bd317560803180725j58e61c80gcea9a7b18897f42d@mail.gmail.com> If the teacher kills firefox2 with FL_Teachertool, the next time it's launched the user is presented with the "firefox was shut down improperly" and has the option to start a new session or restore. Is there a way to launch to a new session without creating a new profile? Thanks, Peter From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Mar 18 14:55:19 2008 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:55:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox --no-restore ? In-Reply-To: <9bd317560803180725j58e61c80gcea9a7b18897f42d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E2065D@MAILBE2.westat.com> Peter Hartmann wrote: >> >> If the teacher kills firefox2 with FL_Teachertool, the next time >> it's launched the user is presented with the "firefox was shut >> down improperly" and has the option to start a new session or >> restore. Is there a way to launch to a new session without >> creating a new profile? I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question correctly. When you click on either "Restore Session" or "Start New Session" you are not creating a new profile. You are simply opening Firefox with the same tabs, on the same pages that were open when it crashed (or was closed externally). So, if your concern is with new profiles, I don't think anything needs to be done. If, on the other hand, you want to take away the ability to restore a session (i.e. you want to get rid of that "Restore Previous Session" option and always start a new session) then you can change the browser.sessionstore.enabled setting to false. Of course, this removes the feature altogether, including if the browser crashes rather than being closed by the teacher. -- Henry From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 15:55:10 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:55:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox --no-restore ? In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E2065D@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <9bd317560803180725j58e61c80gcea9a7b18897f42d@mail.gmail.com> <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E2065D@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560803180855y260c72c6w7e11180091e3c0bc@mail.gmail.com> > I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question correctly. When you > click on either "Restore Session" or "Start New Session" you are not > creating a new profile. I know. Launching firefox witht he -p switch will create a new profile. I just wanted to be specific and say that I didn't want this. > browser.sessionstore.enabled setting to false. Of course, this removes > the feature altogether, including if the browser crashes rather than > being closed by the teacher. Yep, I'm aware of this too. I don't really want to do that either....just want to disable it once. Hopefully that info is stored in a file that I can delete with a script that then calls firefox. The teacher can excecutel that instead with FL_TT. Thanks, Peter On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Henry Hartley wrote: > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > >> > >> If the teacher kills firefox2 with FL_Teachertool, the next time > >> it's launched the user is presented with the "firefox was shut > >> down improperly" and has the option to start a new session or > >> restore. Is there a way to launch to a new session without > >> creating a new profile? > > I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question correctly. When you > click on either "Restore Session" or "Start New Session" you are not > creating a new profile. You are simply opening Firefox with the same > tabs, on the same pages that were open when it crashed (or was closed > externally). So, if your concern is with new profiles, I don't think > anything needs to be done. > > If, on the other hand, you want to take away the ability to restore a > session (i.e. you want to get rid of that "Restore Previous Session" > option and always start a new session) then you can change the > browser.sessionstore.enabled setting to false. Of course, this removes > the feature altogether, including if the browser crashes rather than > being closed by the teacher. > > -- > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 16:49:44 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:49:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox --no-restore ? In-Reply-To: <9bd317560803180855y260c72c6w7e11180091e3c0bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560803180725j58e61c80gcea9a7b18897f42d@mail.gmail.com> <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E2065D@MAILBE2.westat.com> <9bd317560803180855y260c72c6w7e11180091e3c0bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question correctly. When you > > click on either "Restore Session" or "Start New Session" you are not > > creating a new profile. > > I know. Launching firefox witht he -p switch will create a new > profile. I just wanted to be specific and say that I didn't want > this. > > > > > browser.sessionstore.enabled setting to false. Of course, this removes > > the feature altogether, including if the browser crashes rather than > > being closed by the teacher. > > Yep, I'm aware of this too. I don't really want to do that > either....just want to disable it once. > Suggestions welcome. fl_tt just simply calls kill. So any tab info will not be saved and thus the error message upon next launch. Opera has the same behavior. How about this idea, set the browser.sessionstore.enabled to false before killing firefox then kill it, then set it back to true. If that will work can you tell me which file is this setting in so I can code it into fl_tt. Hmm wait a minute, I don't think this will work. If it's true when it starts I think it will still complain. I think any changes to the config are only loaded at launch. So any config changes require a restart. Any suggestions? Maybe we live with the error message. Unless admins disable sessionstore globally. That's what I did with Opera. The reason I did this was kids would have like 10 tabs open when they quit, then complain it was so slow to startup when the whole class launches their browsers the next class. > > Hopefully that info is stored in a file that I can delete with a > script that then calls firefox. The teacher can excecutel that > instead with FL_TT. > > Thanks, > Peter > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Henry Hartley wrote: > > > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > >> > > >> If the teacher kills firefox2 with FL_Teachertool, the next time > > >> it's launched the user is presented with the "firefox was shut > > >> down improperly" and has the option to start a new session or > > >> restore. Is there a way to launch to a new session without > > >> creating a new profile? > > > > I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question correctly. When you > > click on either "Restore Session" or "Start New Session" you are not > > creating a new profile. You are simply opening Firefox with the same > > tabs, on the same pages that were open when it crashed (or was closed > > externally). So, if your concern is with new profiles, I don't think > > anything needs to be done. > > > > If, on the other hand, you want to take away the ability to restore a > > session (i.e. you want to get rid of that "Restore Previous Session" > > option and always start a new session) then you can change the > > browser.sessionstore.enabled setting to false. Of course, this removes > > the feature altogether, including if the browser crashes rather than > > being closed by the teacher. > > > > -- > > Henry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 17:41:34 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:41:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox --no-restore ? In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560803180725j58e61c80gcea9a7b18897f42d@mail.gmail.com> <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E2065D@MAILBE2.westat.com> <9bd317560803180855y260c72c6w7e11180091e3c0bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560803181041y7bf91ef9k60856cabfc360d37@mail.gmail.com> This is a little scary but it works. ------------------ #!/bin/bash #/usr/bin/freshfox rm -rf $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/*.*/sessionstore.js /usr/bin/firefox $1 & -------------------------- Peter On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question correctly. When you > > > click on either "Restore Session" or "Start New Session" you are not > > > creating a new profile. > > > > I know. Launching firefox witht he -p switch will create a new > > profile. I just wanted to be specific and say that I didn't want > > this. > > > > > > > > > browser.sessionstore.enabled setting to false. Of course, this removes > > > the feature altogether, including if the browser crashes rather than > > > being closed by the teacher. > > > > Yep, I'm aware of this too. I don't really want to do that > > either....just want to disable it once. > > > > Suggestions welcome. fl_tt just simply calls kill. So any tab info > will not be saved and thus the error message upon next launch. Opera > has the same behavior. How about this idea, set the > browser.sessionstore.enabled to false before killing firefox then > kill it, then set it back to true. If that will work can you tell me > which file is this setting in so I can code it into fl_tt. > > Hmm wait a minute, I don't think this will work. If it's true when it > starts I think it will still complain. I think any changes to the > config are only loaded at launch. So any config changes require a > restart. Any suggestions? Maybe we live with the error message. Unless > admins disable sessionstore globally. That's what I did with Opera. > The reason I did this was kids would have like 10 tabs open when they > quit, then complain it was so slow to startup when the whole class > launches their browsers the next class. > > > > > > > Hopefully that info is stored in a file that I can delete with a > > script that then calls firefox. The teacher can excecutel that > > instead with FL_TT. > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Henry Hartley wrote: > > > > > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > >> > > > >> If the teacher kills firefox2 with FL_Teachertool, the next time > > > >> it's launched the user is presented with the "firefox was shut > > > >> down improperly" and has the option to start a new session or > > > >> restore. Is there a way to launch to a new session without > > > >> creating a new profile? > > > > > > I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question correctly. When you > > > click on either "Restore Session" or "Start New Session" you are not > > > creating a new profile. You are simply opening Firefox with the same > > > tabs, on the same pages that were open when it crashed (or was closed > > > externally). So, if your concern is with new profiles, I don't think > > > anything needs to be done. > > > > > > If, on the other hand, you want to take away the ability to restore a > > > session (i.e. you want to get rid of that "Restore Previous Session" > > > option and always start a new session) then you can change the > > > browser.sessionstore.enabled setting to false. Of course, this removes > > > the feature altogether, including if the browser crashes rather than > > > being closed by the teacher. > > > > > > -- > > > Henry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 18:46:56 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:46:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox --no-restore ? In-Reply-To: <9bd317560803181041y7bf91ef9k60856cabfc360d37@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560803180725j58e61c80gcea9a7b18897f42d@mail.gmail.com> <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E2065D@MAILBE2.westat.com> <9bd317560803180855y260c72c6w7e11180091e3c0bc@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560803181041y7bf91ef9k60856cabfc360d37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Peter Hartmann wrote: > This is a little scary but it works. > > > ------------------ > #!/bin/bash > #/usr/bin/freshfox > > rm -rf $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/*.*/sessionstore.js > > /usr/bin/firefox $1 & > -------------------------- Why not just disable sessionstore globally? -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 18:55:52 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:55:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox --no-restore ? In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560803180725j58e61c80gcea9a7b18897f42d@mail.gmail.com> <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D07E2065D@MAILBE2.westat.com> <9bd317560803180855y260c72c6w7e11180091e3c0bc@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560803181041y7bf91ef9k60856cabfc360d37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560803181155v2476a0c3m90b0a04b643707fb@mail.gmail.com> It's a good feature...it's just a pain for the teacher who teaches the prek-1st grade. FL_TT is used to launch and kill programs in those classes. Peter On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Peter Hartmann > wrote: > > This is a little scary but it works. > > > > > > ------------------ > > #!/bin/bash > > #/usr/bin/freshfox > > > > rm -rf $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/*.*/sessionstore.js > > > > /usr/bin/firefox $1 & > > -------------------------- > > Why not just disable sessionstore globally? > > -- > > > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wtogami at redhat.com Wed Mar 19 01:12:26 2008 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:12:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Development Discussion List Message-ID: <47E0687A.30504@redhat.com> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12linux-devel-list We will use this list to discuss the development of K12Linux as we approach Fedora 9. At some point a k12linux-users-list will be opened to split user support from development discussion. (On the topic of user support, I think a mailing list is OK, but we could better serve the less experienced educator who is the target user by using a web forum instead. Easier to navigate and search through threads.) Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From john at coronet.co.uk Wed Mar 19 17:50:32 2008 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:50:32 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Development Discussion List In-Reply-To: <20080319160037.9F2526193EC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080319160037.9F2526193EC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1205949033.18021.24.camel@sabre> > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:12:26 -0400 > From: Warren Togami > Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Development Discussion List > To: fedora-education-list at redhat.com, "Support list for opensource > software in schools." > Message-ID: <47E0687A.30504 at redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12linux-devel-list > We will use this list to discuss the development of K12Linux as we > approach Fedora 9. At some point a k12linux-users-list will be opened > to split user support from development discussion. > > (On the topic of user support, I think a mailing list is OK, but we > could better serve the less experienced educator who is the target user > by using a web forum instead. Easier to navigate and search through > threads.) Or a Google Group? We've been using one successfully for Schoolforge-UK over a couple of years, and it offers the best of both worlds: email list plus searchable archive. Regards, John **** From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 19 18:06:54 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:06:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Development Discussion List In-Reply-To: <1205949033.18021.24.camel@sabre> References: <20080319160037.9F2526193EC@hormel.redhat.com> <1205949033.18021.24.camel@sabre> Message-ID: <47E1563E.1040602@futuresource.com> John Ingleby wrote: >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12linux-devel-list >> We will use this list to discuss the development of K12Linux as we >> approach Fedora 9. At some point a k12linux-users-list will be opened >> to split user support from development discussion. >> >> (On the topic of user support, I think a mailing list is OK, but we >> could better serve the less experienced educator who is the target user >> by using a web forum instead. Easier to navigate and search through >> threads.) If this list is for system development the target members are more likely going to be people who have too many interests/subscriptions to visit web forums for each. > Or a Google Group? We've been using one successfully for Schoolforge-UK > over a couple of years, and it offers the best of both worlds: email > list plus searchable archive. If you have a gmail account (they are free...) and join any mail list with that address you get your choice of using their web interface or a normal mailer and on their web interface provides a nice search. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From gotthin at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 18:13:51 2008 From: gotthin at gmail.com (Jim Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:13:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CD burners on thin clients? Message-ID: <1315fcd60803191113v5f7b054ah2b8f010de76d33e5@mail.gmail.com> I've installed some Lite-On CDRW drives on some of my Dell GX1 thin clients but the system does not recognize them as CD burners in CD/DVD Creator. I am using K12LTSP v.5. I've Googled for info on CD brurners on K12LTSP thin clients but did'nt find anything useful. Can someone give me some guidance? Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Mar 19 22:24:31 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:24:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] server loses video, network after x minutes Message-ID: <40292.192.168.254.3.1205965471.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Just thought I'd post this up. I did get our file server - FC3 fixed that would die off in so many minutes. Had to put in another mobo/cpu from another server we had laying in the cast off pile. Something must of got "stressed out" on the mobo is all I can figure out. Had to juggle around the IDE cables a couple times to get the drive sequence ( 5 HD's) correct. Runn'in like a Swiss watch now. Take Care, Barry Cisna From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Mar 20 00:31:19 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:31:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CD burners on thin clients? In-Reply-To: <1315fcd60803191113v5f7b054ah2b8f010de76d33e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1315fcd60803191113v5f7b054ah2b8f010de76d33e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205973079.3833.247.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> In short: it won't work and it's not a good idea. It won't work because the kernel image that is running on the clients doesn't have all the parts needed to use a CD burner and none of the rest of cdburner code is loaded as well (userland binaries). Even if you did get it to load, the likelihood of making nothing but coasters is very high as the bandwidth between client and server becomes an issue. On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 14:13 -0400, Jim Anderson wrote: > I've installed some Lite-On CDRW drives on some of my Dell GX1 thin > clients but the system does not recognize them as CD burners in CD/DVD > Creator. I am using K12LTSP v.5. I've Googled for info on CD > brurners on K12LTSP thin clients but did'nt find anything useful. Can > someone give me some guidance? > > Jim > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 20 15:13:14 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:13:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing Jobs, email changing as well Message-ID: <20080320150901.M15447@winonacotter.org> Well for all of you who know me from these lists at the end of the month I am changing jobs to go work at our local hospital. I will no longer be directly involved in the schools. The new place is 110% a Microsoft shop so I'll be having less time to mess with Linux. Hopefully I'll be able to bring some Linux in over time, but it will be a long process. So I will be removing this email address from the lists and hopefully signing up with my home address soon. So anyone looking to get a hold of me in the future can contact jim at kronebusch.com. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tsmith at geneseeschools.org Thu Mar 20 15:14:30 2008 From: tsmith at geneseeschools.org (Travis Smith) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:14:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing Jobs, email changing as well In-Reply-To: <20080320150901.M15447@winonacotter.org> References: <20080320150901.M15447@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <47E24712.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> Congrats on the new job! >>> "Jim Kronebusch" 03-20-08 11:13 AM >>> Well for all of you who know me from these lists at the end of the month I am changing jobs to go work at our local hospital. I will no longer be directly involved in the schools. The new place is 110% a Microsoft shop so I'll be having less time to mess with Linux. Hopefully I'll be able to bring some Linux in over time, but it will be a long process. So I will be removing this email address from the lists and hopefully signing up with my home address soon. So anyone looking to get a hold of me in the future can contact jim at kronebusch.com. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see Scanned by GenNET AV in Scanned by GenNET AV out -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just be aware. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Well for all of you who know me from these lists at the end of the month I am changing > jobs to go work at our local hospital. I will no longer be directly involved in the > schools. The new place is 110% a Microsoft shop so I'll be having less time to mess > with Linux. Hopefully I'll be able to bring some Linux in over time, but it will be a > long process. > > So I will be removing this email address from the lists and hopefully signing up with my > home address soon. So anyone looking to get a hold of me in the future can contact > jim at kronebusch.com. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 453-5188 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 18:45:07 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:45:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing Jobs, email changing as well In-Reply-To: <20080320150901.M15447@winonacotter.org> References: <20080320150901.M15447@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Well for all of you who know me from these lists at the end of the month I am changing > jobs to go work at our local hospital. I will no longer be directly involved in the > schools. The new place is 110% a Microsoft shop so I'll be having less time to mess > with Linux. Hopefully I'll be able to bring some Linux in over time, but it will be a > long process. Good luck Jim. I know I will miss your pioneering work. You are always one of the first to be brave enough to try new stuff and squish the bugs. If you haven't already read this I recommend it even though it doesn't fit your situation exactly. http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Dealing_With_Uncooperative_Tech_Staff -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From hburroughs at hhprep.org Thu Mar 20 19:55:00 2008 From: hburroughs at hhprep.org (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:55:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSPFS (local devices) & rdesktop clients Message-ID: <1206042900.5790.107.camel@buran> I have a number of users using Rdesktop as their primary display. I just updated to 5.0EL and I am unable to access their local devices under /tmp/devices due to how LTSPFS operates. This patch (http://downloads.sourceforge.net/symbiont/LTSP-RDP-localdev.tgz?modtime=1156) here apparently provides access under /Drives on the client. Does anyone have another solution or should this be incorporated into the next releases of K12LTSP or for an update to 5.0EL, etc? Thanks! See also: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net/msg32462.html Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From mo_luscre at mogadore.net Thu Mar 20 20:44:41 2008 From: mo_luscre at mogadore.net (Anthony Luscre) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:44:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Repository Files Damaged/Outdate In-Reply-To: References: <20080320150901.M15447@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: My repo files are all damaged and/or pointing to outdated sources, so YUM, Add Programs, etc. will not work. Would it possible for some to send me copy of their's and I could completely replace mine? My version info: 2.6.18-1.2257.fc5smp Thank you Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Thu Mar 20 21:03:16 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:03:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Repository Files Damaged/Outdate In-Reply-To: References: <20080320150901.M15447@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <71E68EBF-8666-495B-B7D2-EAF221D84A28@breun.nl> Anthony Luscre wrote: > My repo files are all damaged and/or pointing to outdated sources, > so YUM, Add Programs, etc. will not work. > Would it possible for some to send me copy of their's and I could > completely replace mine? > > My version info: 2.6.18-1.2257.fc5smp You seem to be running (K12LTSP based on) Fedora Core 5. Fedora Core 5 reached End of Life on June 29th last year: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-May/msg00000.html You could upgrade to K12LTSP 6, but note that Fedora Core 6 has also already reached End of Life. The only version of K12LTSP that is based on a currently supported distribution is K12LTSP 5EL, which is based on CentOS 5. Nils Breunese. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 21 16:50:00 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:50:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing Jobs, email changing as well In-Reply-To: <47E29E3E.3000400@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20080320150901.M15447@winonacotter.org> <47E29E3E.3000400@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20080321164826.M22087@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:26:22 -0400, Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote > Congrats on the new job...but it's a shame that they've got the MS > blinders on. Hopefully you can, through example, show them that there > is a better way. > > My folks are in the medical profession, and several control programs for > their gear are MS Windows-only. On top of that, your new colleagues'll > probably say, "hey, this is a hospital, lives are at stake here, we > stick with what we have!" Yes, I know, the actual EEG's, etc. don't run > on Windows. But that'll be their excuse not to consider a change, > despite GNU/Linux's greater stability. Just be aware. > > --TP Thanks. I still try and follow the lists but likely won't be as active with posts. I do see some places already where they could benefit from Linux and Open Source, but I'm not holding my breath. There seems to be a few rules as well where stuff can only run on certified hardware with certified operating systems and such. We'll see :-) Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 21 16:52:30 2008 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:52:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing Jobs, email changing as well In-Reply-To: References: <20080320150901.M15447@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20080321165011.M51651@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:45:07 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Well for all of you who know me from these lists at the end of the month I am changing > > jobs to go work at our local hospital. I will no longer be directly involved in the > > schools. The new place is 110% a Microsoft shop so I'll be having less time to mess > > with Linux. Hopefully I'll be able to bring some Linux in over time, but it will be a > > long process. > > Good luck Jim. I know I will miss your pioneering work. You are always > one of the first to be brave enough to try new stuff and squish the > bugs. If you haven't already read this I recommend it even though it > doesn't fit your situation exactly. > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Dealing_With_Uncooperative_Tech_Staff Thanks Robert. I read that link before, pretty good stuff. My co-worker at the school (John Hansen) is now watching the lists in my place. So give him good treatment if you see him post (like you guys know any other way). Thanks, Jim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 21 17:37:46 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:37:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing Jobs, email changing as well In-Reply-To: <20080321164826.M22087@winonacotter.org> References: <20080320150901.M15447@winonacotter.org> <47E29E3E.3000400@cmosnetworks.com> <20080321164826.M22087@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <47E3F26A.1060104@futuresource.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:26:22 -0400, Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote >> Congrats on the new job...but it's a shame that they've got the MS >> blinders on. Hopefully you can, through example, show them that there >> is a better way. >> >> My folks are in the medical profession, and several control programs for >> their gear are MS Windows-only. On top of that, your new colleagues'll >> probably say, "hey, this is a hospital, lives are at stake here, we >> stick with what we have!" Yes, I know, the actual EEG's, etc. don't run >> on Windows. But that'll be their excuse not to consider a change, >> despite GNU/Linux's greater stability. Just be aware. >> >> --TP > > Thanks. I still try and follow the lists but likely won't be as active with posts. I > do see some places already where they could benefit from Linux and Open Source, but I'm > not holding my breath. There seems to be a few rules as well where stuff can only run > on certified hardware with certified operating systems and such. > > We'll see :-) > Maybe you can squeeze an SME server in for something non-critical. If not, I'm sure IBM and Sun have certified stuff, probably with RHEL as one of the options - and any unix flavor will look very familiar. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From wtogami at redhat.com Mon Mar 24 19:15:59 2008 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:15:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Development Meeting, Friday March 28th Message-ID: <47E7FDEF.8030804@redhat.com> K12Linux Development Meeting Friday, March 28th 2008 (1700UTC) 1:00PM EDT 10:00AM PDT Location: irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting Agenda: * Discuss the various parts to be fixed in LTSP5 for Fedora. * Learn how you can get involved. * Q&A: Discuss with Warren about installing or using LTSP5 on Fedora. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/K12Linux/InstallGuide I highly recommend that you try LTSP5 on Fedora 8 or 9 before attending the meeting so you have some idea of the current status. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12linux-devel-list Most discussion regarding K12Linux happens on k12linux-devel-list. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From ernie_hudson at snowline.k12.ca.us Tue Mar 25 16:17:55 2008 From: ernie_hudson at snowline.k12.ca.us (Ernie Hudson) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:17:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: I have tried, unsuccessfully, several attempts to install k12ltsp5el. Everything works until I log on and attempt to start the graphical interface, then I get xserver failed. Have also been trying to install kubuntu 7.10 and it gives me a build ltsp chroot failed. I am installing on a new server with dual zeon 2.0 quad core cpus, 8 gigs ram, intel motherboard. Any suggestions? Ernie Hudson CLS3 Serrano High School 760-868-3222 ext 2687 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What video hardware? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 25 19:18:45 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:18:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <47E94EEC.4000303@futuresource.com> References: <47E94EEC.4000303@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <47E95015.9060507@paasda.org> he's logged in...so gotta be the console... as the thin clients automatically load the graphical login from the xserver screen eh? Les Mikesell wrote: > Ernie Hudson wrote: >> I have tried, unsuccessfully, several attempts to install k12ltsp5el. >> Everything works until I log on and attempt to start the graphical >> interface, then I get xserver failed. > > At the console or thin client? What video hardware? > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 25 19:19:28 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:19:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <47E94EEC.4000303@futuresource.com> References: <47E94EEC.4000303@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <47E95040.2060108@paasda.org> Ernie, try a pxe booting a client and see if you get the login screen there Les Mikesell wrote: > Ernie Hudson wrote: >> I have tried, unsuccessfully, several attempts to install k12ltsp5el. >> Everything works until I log on and attempt to start the graphical >> interface, then I get xserver failed. > > At the console or thin client? What video hardware? > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Mar 26 16:10:39 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:10:39 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX and web companion Message-ID: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I've setup FreeNX OK on our test k12ltspel5 server and can connect OK using the NoMachine client but I'd like to try the Web Companion thingy so you can access it via a browser. Has anyone done this with FreeNX and if so any nice simple instruction would be gratefully received :-) Thanks Brian Chivers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Wed Mar 26 16:15:50 2008 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:15:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX and web companion In-Reply-To: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <47EA76B6.8060308@peopleplaces.org> I've tried many (many) times, using K12v6 (FC6) and Ubuntu Gutsy/Hardy, and only been successful from one platform. I believe it was to the K12v6 box, using a client with IE7 on a WinXP machine & Sun's Java (don't have the version), and not the one that is auto-downloaded when loading the plugin. I'd be interested in any relative success you may have. -Michael Brian Chivers wrote: > I've setup FreeNX OK on our test k12ltspel5 server and can connect OK > using the NoMachine client but I'd like to try the Web Companion > thingy so you can access it via a browser. > > Has anyone done this with FreeNX and if so any nice simple instruction > would be gratefully received :-) > > Thanks > Brian Chivers From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 26 16:44:17 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:44:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX and web companion In-Reply-To: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <47EA7D61.1000009@futuresource.com> Brian Chivers wrote: > I've setup FreeNX OK on our test k12ltspel5 server and can connect OK > using the NoMachine client but I'd like to try the Web Companion thingy > so you can access it via a browser. > > Has anyone done this with FreeNX and if so any nice simple instruction > would be gratefully received :-) What web companion thingy? -- Les Mikesell les at gmail.com From dhbarr at gozelle.com Wed Mar 26 17:00:59 2008 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:00:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX and web companion In-Reply-To: <47EA7D61.1000009@futuresource.com> References: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <47EA7D61.1000009@futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > Brian Chivers wrote: > > I've setup FreeNX OK on our test k12ltspel5 server and can connect OK > > using the NoMachine client but I'd like to try the Web Companion thingy > > so you can access it via a browser. > > What web companion thingy? THIS web companion thingy :) http://www.nomachine.com/documents/plugin/install.php From devrylin.thesageinblack at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 02:56:40 2008 From: devrylin.thesageinblack at gmail.com (Devry Lin) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:56:40 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP]Audio Recording for LTSP Lab Message-ID: <229185470803261956y7c353c62wc717c6cf7e8ed693@mail.gmail.com> Hi I am currently in High School student (so not really skilled at administration), and had posted some questions here before. Now, thanks to you all, the lab is able to do the most fundamental things (surfing the Internet, word process). After a series of conversation with the language department, they say that they would like to have audio recording on the LTSP Lab to form a Language Lab. Our school traditionally used Audacity for this task, but from what I read on the Internet, Audacity doesn't work well with ESD (which is what is currently used in K12LTSP 6.0). So what software should I look for? 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Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 27 13:16:26 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:16:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX and web companion In-Reply-To: <47EB80F2.90602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <47EA7D61.1000009@futuresource.com> <47EB80F2.90602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <47EB9E2A.5040601@futuresource.com> Brian Chivers wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: >> Brian Chivers wrote: >>> I've setup FreeNX OK on our test k12ltspel5 server and can connect OK >>> using the NoMachine client but I'd like to try the Web Companion >>> thingy so you can access it via a browser. >>> >>> Has anyone done this with FreeNX and if so any nice simple >>> instruction would be gratefully received :-) >> >> What web companion thingy? >> > > Allows you to access the FreeNX server through a web browser so there is > no client to install. I haven't had a chance to try this yet but the usual difference is that the NX commercial server always uses the same ssh key for the nx user's initial connection where freenx creates a new one when installed. So somewhere there should be a place where you have to make the client key match the one on your server. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Mar 27 13:34:02 2008 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:34:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice "Error While Printing" Message-ID: <47C7E4DE-4B8C-4DF7-86E9-A51288CE5F4F@inlandlakes.org> I'm running a couple K12LTSP 6.0 servers, and one of them will no longer print from OpenOffice. All other programs work fine, but when printing in OpenOffice 2.0.4, after picking which printer to print to, a dialog box comes up that says, "Error While Printing" -- and of course, nothing prints. I've googled a bit, but so far found nothing helpful... The same version on a different server is working fine, and restarting cups hasn't made a difference. I've never had a problem like this with OpenOffice, so I'm not even sure where to start poking around. Any suggestions? Thanks, -Shawn Powers From mo_luscre at mogadore.net Thu Mar 27 14:32:38 2008 From: mo_luscre at mogadore.net (Anthony Luscre) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:32:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] YUM & Package Updates failing - Centos 5 In-Reply-To: <47EA7D61.1000009@futuresource.com> References: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <47EA7D61.1000009@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <47EBB006.9000708@mogadore.net> Yesterday, I did a server build using the Centos 5.0.1 DVD. When ever I try to add software via YUM or Software Updater tells me that 139 updates are available and I click to install updates and it gives a crash message (for a few examples see below.) Has anyone else had this problem and/or knows a solution. Thanks Anthony [root at server ~]# yum update Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories Reading repository metadata in from local files rpmforge : 1/9417Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 29, in ? yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 94, in main result, resultmsgs = base.doCommands() File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 381, in doCommands return self.yum_cli_commands[self.basecmd].doCommand(self, self.basecmd, self.extcmds) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yumcommands.py", line 150, in doCommand return base.updatePkgs(extcmds) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 672, in updatePkgs self.doRepoSetup() File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 109, in doRepoSetup self.doSackSetup(thisrepo=thisrepo) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 338, in doSackSetup self.repos.populateSack(which=repos) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/repos.py", line 200, in populateSack sack.populate(repo, with, callback, cacheonly) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/yumRepo.py", line 91, in populate dobj = repo.cacheHandler.getPrimary(xml, csum) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/sqlitecache.py", line 100, in getPrimary return self._getbase(location, checksum, 'primary') File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/sqlitecache.py", line 93, in _getbase self.updateSqliteCache(db, parser, checksum, metadatatype) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/sqlitecache.py", line 368, in updateSqliteCache self.addPrimary(pkgId, package, cur) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/sqlitecache.py", line 257, in addPrimary pkgKey = self.insertHash('packages', PackageToDBAdapter(package), cur) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/sqlitecache.py", line 204, in insertHash values = hash.values() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/sqlitecache.py", line 459, in values out.append(self[k]) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/sqlitecache.py", line 451, in __getitem__ return self._pkg[self.NAME_MAPS.get(k, k)] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/mdparser.py", line 69, in __getitem__ return self._p[k] KeyError: 'epoch' ******************************************************************************* Component: Software Manager Summary: TBa540006e mdparser.py:69:__getitem__:KeyError: 'epoch' Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/pirut", line 453, in ? main() *********************************************************************** Component: yumex Version: 1.2.2 Summary: TB03120a34 yumexmain.py:1045:_runBackground:KeyError: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/yumex/yumexmain.py", line 231, in on_repoRefresh_clicked self.setup_yum() File "/usr/share/yumex/yumexmain.py", line 992, in setup_yum if self._runBackground( self.yumexbase.load_repo_data, rload ): File "/usr/share/yumex/yumexmain.py", line 1045, in _runBackground raise self.backgroundThread.exception KeyError: Local variables in innermost frame: runfunc: > args: (False,) self: <__main__.YumexMainApplication instance at 0x93dfb2c> ************************************************************ Component: yumex Version: 1.2.2 Summary: TB03120a34 yumexmain.py:1045:_runBackground:KeyError: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/yumex/yumexmain.py", line 1108, in ? mainApp = YumexMainApplication() File "/usr/share/yumex/yumexmain.py", line 541, in __init__ self.setup_yum() File "/usr/share/yumex/yumexmain.py", line 992, in setup_yum if self._runBackground( self.yumexbase.load_repo_data, rload ): File "/usr/share/yumex/yumexmain.py", line 1045, in _runBackground raise self.backgroundThread.exception KeyError: Local variables in innermost frame: runfunc: > args: (False,) self: <__main__.YumexMainApplication instance at 0x9aa4b2c> ********************************************************************** -- -----Anthony A. Luscre------ ---Director of Technology--- ---Mogadore Local Schools--- -----Mogadore, Ohio--------- http://www.mogadore.net/tech Visit our Homepage http:/www.mogadore.net Visit our Portal http://www.mogadore.net/portal_pages.html From mo_luscre at mogadore.net Thu Mar 27 15:07:27 2008 From: mo_luscre at mogadore.net (Anthony Luscre) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:07:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Update fails - component: Software Updater In-Reply-To: <20080113101708.SZACQ.961672.root@fepweb05> References: <20080113101708.SZACQ.961672.root@fepweb05> Message-ID: <47EBB82F.9020309@mogadore.net> Mark Did you get an answer or fix the problem. I am having the same issues. Thanks Anthony Lindman wrote: > Hi Terrell, > > The error I posted came from the GUI. > > >From the command line I've tried "yum clean all" followed by "yum update", with this result: > > -- -----Anthony A. Luscre------ ---Director of Technology--- ---Mogadore Local Schools--- -----Mogadore, Ohio--------- http://www.mogadore.net/tech Visit our Homepage http:/www.mogadore.net Visit our Portal http://www.mogadore.net/portal_pages.html From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 19:08:31 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:08:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [K12LTSP]Audio Recording for LTSP Lab In-Reply-To: <229185470803261956y7c353c62wc717c6cf7e8ed693@mail.gmail.com> References: <229185470803261956y7c353c62wc717c6cf7e8ed693@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/26/08, Devry Lin wrote: > they would like to have audio recording on the LTSP Lab to form a Language > Lab. Our school traditionally used Audacity for this task, but from what I > read on the Internet, Audacity doesn't work well with ESD (which is what is > currently used in K12LTSP 6.0). > > So what software should I look for? > What configurations do I need in order to get the software in the previous ltsp does not work very well for doing sound recording and/or video editing. These types of multimedia apps are best done on stand alone boxes. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ernie_hudson at snowline.k12.ca.us Thu Mar 27 19:54:27 2008 From: ernie_hudson at snowline.k12.ca.us (Ernie Hudson) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:54:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <47E94EEC.4000303@futuresource.com> Message-ID: I was logged on to the server. The system is, Intel motherboard S5000vsa 8 gigs ram The video chipset on the mother board is ATI ES1000 w/16mb ram 6 sata drives, 2 250 gig, 4 500 gig. 2 quad core zeon 2.0 processors. Funny thing is I installed Edubuntu 6.10 and everything just worked. When I try to install Edubunu 7.10 I keep getting the failed install build ltsp chroot, this happens every time. When I install ltsp5el Ithe server boots to a login prompt and when I try to run the cmd startx I receive the error xserver failed. Sorry for the late reply as I am on spring break this week and have only come in a couple of days. Ernie -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:14 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] (no subject) Ernie Hudson wrote: > I have tried, unsuccessfully, several attempts to install k12ltsp5el. > Everything works until I log on and attempt to start the graphical > interface, then I get xserver failed. At the console or thin client? What video hardware? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rowens at ptd.net Thu Mar 27 20:29:33 2008 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:29:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX and web companion In-Reply-To: <47EB9E2A.5040601@futuresource.com> References: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <47EA7D61.1000009@futuresource.com> <47EB80F2.90602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <47EB9E2A.5040601@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20080327202933.GA11182@junker.owens.net> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 08:16:26AM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > Brian Chivers wrote: > >Les Mikesell wrote: > >>Brian Chivers wrote: > >>>I've setup FreeNX OK on our test k12ltspel5 server and can connect OK > >>>using the NoMachine client but I'd like to try the Web Companion > >>>thingy so you can access it via a browser. > >>> > >>>Has anyone done this with FreeNX and if so any nice simple > >>>instruction would be gratefully received :-) > >> > >>What web companion thingy? > >> > > > >Allows you to access the FreeNX server through a web browser so there is > >no client to install. > > I haven't had a chance to try this yet but the usual difference is that > the NX commercial server always uses the same ssh key for the nx user's > initial connection where freenx creates a new one when installed. So > somewhere there should be a place where you have to make the client key > match the one on your server. You can also run: nxsetup --setup-nomachine-key and this will install the default nomachine key on the server, meaning that configuring the clients will be somewhat easier. I recommend doing this on a small LAN, but not for an nx server that's accessible over the internet. Using a custom key (as freenx on CentOS does) helps prevent a man-in-the-middle attack. -Rob From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 27 20:39:12 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:39:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47EC05F0.6070904@futuresource.com> Ernie Hudson wrote: > I was logged on to the server. > > The system is, > Intel motherboard S5000vsa > 8 gigs ram > The video chipset on the mother board is ATI ES1000 w/16mb ram > 6 sata drives, 2 250 gig, 4 500 gig. > 2 quad core zeon 2.0 processors. > > Funny thing is I installed Edubuntu 6.10 and everything just worked. When I > try to install Edubunu 7.10 I keep getting the failed install build ltsp > chroot, this happens every time. When I install ltsp5el Ithe server boots to > a login prompt and when I try to run the cmd startx I receive the error > xserver failed. > > Sorry for the late reply as I am on spring break this week and have only > come in a couple of days. I'd do a 'yum update' as root from the command line, accept all the updates and reboot before doing too much else. It could be a bug that the updates will fix. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Mar 27 22:13:36 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:13:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] YUM & Package Updates failing - Centos 5 In-Reply-To: <47EBB006.9000708@mogadore.net> References: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <47EA7D61.1000009@futuresource.com> <47EBB006.9000708@mogadore.net> Message-ID: <3777FA11-DC2A-4A52-9DD8-1A91F6136076@mindfirestudios.com> On Mar 27, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Anthony Luscre wrote: > Yesterday, I did a server build using the Centos 5.0.1 DVD. > When ever I try to add software via YUM or Software Updater tells > me that 139 updates are available and I click to install updates > and it gives a crash message (for a few examples see below.) > Has anyone else had this problem and/or knows a solution. > > Thanks > Anthony I had this problem in the GUI too, and the same at the command line. 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When I install ltsp5el Ithe server >> boots to >> a login prompt and when I try to run the cmd startx I receive the >> error >> xserver failed. >> Sorry for the late reply as I am on spring break this week and have >> only >> come in a couple of days. > > I'd do a 'yum update' as root from the command line, accept all the > updates and reboot before doing too much else. It could be a bug > that the updates will fix. Since this is *buntu, it might be easier to use apt-get or aptitude or somesuch. :o) Nils Breunese. From wtogami at redhat.com Fri Mar 28 02:29:36 2008 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:29:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: K12Linux Development Meeting, Friday March 28th Message-ID: <47EC5810.9000107@redhat.com> K12Linux Development Meeting Friday, March 28th 2008 (1700UTC) 1:00PM EDT 10:00AM PDT Location: irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting Agenda: * Discuss the various parts to be fixed in LTSP5 for Fedora. * Learn how you can get involved. * Q&A: Discuss with Warren about installing or using LTSP5 on Fedora. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/K12Linux/InstallGuide I highly recommend that you try LTSP5 on Fedora 8 or 9 before attending the meeting so you have some idea of the current status. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12linux-devel-list Most discussion regarding K12Linux happens on k12linux-devel-list. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From mo_luscre at mogadore.net Fri Mar 28 13:44:43 2008 From: mo_luscre at mogadore.net (Anthony Luscre) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:44:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Extremely Urgent!!!-- K12LTSP- Which Installation to use? In-Reply-To: <3777FA11-DC2A-4A52-9DD8-1A91F6136076@mindfirestudios.com> References: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <47EA7D61.1000009@futuresource.com> <47EBB006.9000708@mogadore.net> <3777FA11-DC2A-4A52-9DD8-1A91F6136076@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <47ECF64B.4080202@mogadore.net> I need to build a new LTSP server to be ready by next Monday to replace an very old computer/installation that died. What installation should I use? I am finding a variety of links to download variety of versions, but cannot tell which is most current/stable version and link to download ISOs. Thanks Anthony -- -----Anthony A. Luscre------ ---Director of Technology--- ---Mogadore Local Schools--- -----Mogadore, Ohio--------- http://www.mogadore.net/tech Visit our Homepage http:/www.mogadore.net Visit our Portal http://www.mogadore.net/portal_pages.html From tsmith at geneseeschools.org Fri Mar 28 13:41:28 2008 From: tsmith at geneseeschools.org (Travis Smith) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:41:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Extremely Urgent!!!-- K12LTSP- Which Installation to use? In-Reply-To: <47ECF64B.4080202@mogadore.net> References: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <47EA7D61.1000009@futuresource.com> <47EBB006.9000708@mogadore.net> <3777FA11-DC2A-4A52-9DD8-1A91F6136076@mindfirestudios.com> <47ECF64B.4080202@mogadore.net> Message-ID: <47ECBD45.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> Centos iso's..probably best bet is 32 bit ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/iso >>> Anthony Luscre 03-28-08 9:44 AM >>> I need to build a new LTSP server to be ready by next Monday to replace an very old computer/installation that died. What installation should I use? I am finding a variety of links to download variety of versions, but cannot tell which is most current/stable version and link to download ISOs. Thanks Anthony -- -----Anthony A. Luscre------ ---Director of Technology--- ---Mogadore Local Schools--- -----Mogadore, Ohio--------- http://www.mogadore.net/tech Visit our Homepage http:/www.mogadore.net Visit our Portal http://www.mogadore.net/portal_pages.html _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see Scanned by GenNET AV in Scanned by GenNET AV out -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 14:31:12 2008 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:01:12 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Extremely Urgent!!!-- K12LTSP- Which Installation to use? In-Reply-To: <47ECBD45.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> References: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <47EA7D61.1000009@futuresource.com> <47EBB006.9000708@mogadore.net> <3777FA11-DC2A-4A52-9DD8-1A91F6136076@mindfirestudios.com> <47ECF64B.4080202@mogadore.net> <47ECBD45.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> Message-ID: <774593a20803280731q5be3d5dds2be5f04f15ae140f@mail.gmail.com> On 28/03/2008, Travis Smith wrote: > > Centos iso's..probably best bet is 32 bit > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/iso > +1 for that -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. From nils at breun.nl Fri Mar 28 14:35:50 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:35:50 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Extremely Urgent!!!-- K12LTSP- Which Installation to use? In-Reply-To: <47ECF64B.4080202@mogadore.net> References: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <47EA7D61.1000009@futuresource.com> <47EBB006.9000708@mogadore.net> <3777FA11-DC2A-4A52-9DD8-1A91F6136076@mindfirestudios.com> <47ECF64B.4080202@mogadore.net> Message-ID: <44591DE2-DE1E-4E84-A118-CF316A1D3456@breun.nl> Anthony Luscre wrote: > I need to build a new LTSP server to be ready by next Monday to > replace an very old computer/installation that died. > > What installation should I use? > > I am finding a variety of links to download variety of versions, but > cannot tell which is most current/stable version and link to > download ISOs. We run K12LTSP 5EL, which is currently the only stable version of K12LTSP that is based on a distribution that has not reached end of life. Also see http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/DownLoad Nils Breunese. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Mar 28 15:13:09 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:13:09 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Video streaming Message-ID: <47ED0B05.8070003@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Just thinking about my next project for College and one thing that I think I need to look at is video streaming. Currently we have a server with a big HDD that people save clips on as AVI's and this is mapped to the users via Samba. This is OKish for inside college but when they are outside of college they have no access to it and as well allow external access to Moodle I'd like to be able for staff to embed the clips into moodle so they have the same access inside or outside of college. Has anyone done this sort of thing before & if so what did you use. I have looked at the Darwin / Open Source Streaming Server from apple [1] but don't want to start reinventing the wheel if people have found something easier to setup / use Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College [1]http://developer.apple.com/opensource/server/streaming/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From tsmith at geneseeschools.org Fri Mar 28 15:20:32 2008 From: tsmith at geneseeschools.org (Travis Smith) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:20:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Video streaming In-Reply-To: <47ED0B05.8070003@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <47ED0B05.8070003@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <47ECD47F.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> For our school district the teachers use Discovery Education Streaming formally United Streaming. I don't know what the costs were because its hosted at the ISD. They host the server and synch to Discovery servers at night so its faster then using the internet because all the schools have fiber ran connecting back to the ISD. >>> Brian Chivers 03-28-08 11:13 AM >>> Just thinking about my next project for College and one thing that I think I need to look at is video streaming. Currently we have a server with a big HDD that people save clips on as AVI's and this is mapped to the users via Samba. This is OKish for inside college but when they are outside of college they have no access to it and as well allow external access to Moodle I'd like to be able for staff to embed the clips into moodle so they have the same access inside or outside of college. Has anyone done this sort of thing before & if so what did you use. I have looked at the Darwin / Open Source Streaming Server from apple [1] but don't want to start reinventing the wheel if people have found something easier to setup / use Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College [1]http://developer.apple.com/opensource/server/streaming/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see Scanned by GenNET AV in Scanned by GenNET AV out -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From asmo.koskinen at arkki.info Fri Mar 28 16:24:45 2008 From: asmo.koskinen at arkki.info (Asmo Koskinen) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:24:45 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Video streaming In-Reply-To: <47ED0B05.8070003@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <47ED0B05.8070003@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <47ED1BCD.5010802@arkki.info> Brian Chivers kirjoitti: > Just thinking about my next project for College and one thing that I > think I need to look at is video streaming. > I have fooling around with Icecast2 and VLC. 1. Digi-TV and Icecast2: http://www.arkki.info/howto/VDR/Digi-TV_MythTV_ezstream_icevast2_VLC.png 2. DV-camera (Canon MD110) and Icecast2: http://www.arkki.info/howto/VDR/DV_IceCast2_Live.png 3. Digi-TV and VLC: http://www.arkki.info/howto/VDR/Stream/VDR_VLC_Server_Client_Stream.png 4. Digi-TV, VLC and WLAN Laptop as client: http://www.arkki.info/howto/VDR/Stream/VLC_Stream.png ---- Then I have fooling around with Flumotion. 5. Linux as server: http://www.arkki.info/howto/Flumotion/Flumotion_01.png 6. XP as client: http://www.arkki.info/howto/Flumotion/Flumotion_02.png ---- And finally I have fooling around with Wordpress and PodPress for audio. And Wordpress and FLV Player for video. Right now I have only audio files, no video files, to stream. http://www.arkki.info/ ---- So if you have dedicated server for video/audio in the Internet, there are many possibilites. Icecast2, Flumotion, VLC (these three ones can stream live or file) and Wordpress with Flash plugin (file). Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. From asmo.koskinen at arkki.info Fri Mar 28 16:30:43 2008 From: asmo.koskinen at arkki.info (Asmo Koskinen) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:30:43 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Video streaming In-Reply-To: <47ED1BCD.5010802@arkki.info> References: <47ED0B05.8070003@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <47ED1BCD.5010802@arkki.info> Message-ID: <47ED1D33.9080708@arkki.info> Asmo Koskinen kirjoitti: > I have fooling around with Icecast2 and VLC. > > Then I have fooling around with Flumotion. > More fooling around with webcam: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/2007-December/001310.html Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. From nils at breun.nl Fri Mar 28 16:47:56 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:47:56 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Video streaming In-Reply-To: <47ED0B05.8070003@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <47ED0B05.8070003@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: Brian Chivers wrote: > Just thinking about my next project for College and one thing that I > think I need to look at is video streaming. > > Currently we have a server with a big HDD that people save clips on > as AVI's and this is mapped to the users via Samba. This is OKish > for inside college but when they are outside of college they have no > access to it and as well allow external access to Moodle I'd like to > be able for staff to embed the clips into moodle so they have the > same access inside or outside of college. > > Has anyone done this sort of thing before & if so what did you use. > I have looked at the Darwin / Open Source Streaming Server from > apple [1] but don't want to start reinventing the wheel if people > have found something easier to setup / use I would first look into just hosting the files via plain HTTP before you move into the domain of true streaming. See downloading, streaming and progressive downloading explained on http://www.mediacollege.com/video/streaming/overview.html Nils Breunese. From ericbrow at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 17:06:04 2008 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:06:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] distributing stand alone program Message-ID: Hello all, I've got a problem that I feel I should know the answer to, but I've not done this in an LTSP environment before. I would like my Advanced Web Design students to build their databases using GNU Ferret (formerly Gerwin, at http://www.gnu.org/software/ferret/project/project.html). After trying out a few dozen different database building tools, I think this may be one of the easier ones for them to use. You download a zipped package, which I've unzipped. I've put the folder with the program files in /usr/share/gerwin-0.6. I created a soft link in /usr/share/bin to the gerwin program file, but the user gets the error "Could not find" something " in /src". I believe it's trying to access files in a subdirectory in the program folder, but isn't able to find these files because of the link. I also tried creating a launcher to the executable, but nothing happened (I believe due to the same error). I'm pretty confident it's not a permission problem (my typical mode of failure) because a user can navigate to the program folder, and run the program from there. I'd like to keep this as simple for the students, as I know databases and mysql is going to be enough for them to wrap their mind around. What am I missing here? I'm sure its possible for a user to make a link one time to the program that they can just click on. It would be nice if this were in the yum repository, but I also don't mind learning how to get these links right. If it matters, I'm running K12LTSP on Fedora 8 (I think). Thanks, Eric From wtogami at redhat.com Fri Mar 28 20:24:33 2008 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:24:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Meeting Summary: Friday, March 28th, 2008 Message-ID: <47ED5401.5010601@redhat.com> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12linux-devel-list Subscribe to K12Linux Devel List if you are interested in LTSP5 for Fedora. Participating ============= Warren Togami, Red Hat, Fedora department Peter Scheie, from Minneapolis, K12LTSP advocate & user Dan Young, Multnomah Education Services District Vagrant Cascadian, one of the maintainers of LTSP in debian Oliver Grawert, edubuntu maintainer, ubuntu ltsp dev Jon McCann, Red Hat Engineer, GDM and ConsoleKit author and maintainer Chuck Liebow, Ellsworth Schools Maine Matt Domsch, Fedora Board, Dell Jef Spaleta, Fedora Board, U. of Alaska LDM (LTSP Display Manager) ========================== Background: LDM runs on the thin client, asks for a username and password, then creates an ssh connection to the server. If it is successful in a user login, it runs a session (like /usr/bin/gnome-session) * The locale bug where ldminfod overflowed ldm due to too many languages from locale -a is fixed upstream, will be in the next Fedora build. * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=435521 ConsoleKit LDM support: Following through to see if ck-launch-session solves our problem. * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=436912 ldm Xsession support: There are some ideas of how to implement this properly upstream. * Longer term (after F9) we will tackle the localization and accessibility problems. Warren will follow up with Jon Mccann to assess the possibility of doing this via gdm intead. LTSP Server =========== http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/K12Linux/InstallGuide ltsp-server package and ltsp-build-client should be equally functional on Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 at this point. Let Warren know if you see any problems. Ugly Warnings during Thin Client Boot ===================================== https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=359621 can't create lock file /etc/mtab/~994: Read-only file system (use -n flag to override) I eliminated most of them, but the ones involving /etc/mtab are likely impossible to fix. warren: ah, we make /etc/mtab a symlink to /proc/mounts, and i think mount is less noisy ... and we may also use the -n flag to mount, not sure off the top of my head. SELinux: Chroot Install/Update with Enforcing Mode ================================================== https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391451 So currently thin clients have selinux totally disabled. We currently can't fix this for two reasons 1) installing a chroot screws with the host kernel's selinux policies, which is sometimes dangerous 2) we currently only do NFS root boot, and selinux doesn't work with NFS (?) In the future I hope we can support selinux enforcing thin clients, but that will likely only happen with NBD root. (mkinitrd) implement NBD handling. ================================== https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=424591 This task unfortunately will be deferred until after F9. There is simply too much work to be done. Jeremy Katz wants nbd in initrd to be implemented as a mount -o option, so it works exactly like loop mounts. I can understand why my earlier nbd patches for mkinitrd were rejected, because they want to do it correctly and more cleanly. We will need to implement it for both nash mount and regular mount so you can use syntax like: mount -t squashfs 192.168.0.254:2000 -o ro,nbd /path/to/mountpoint NBD is the kernel's network block device. I aim to implement this before Fedora 10. Also we plan on implementing a new DHCP option to direct the client to the right NBD mount point. I'm working with dcantrell who is part of the IETF DHCP group (?) to write a RFC for this something like: option nbd-root "192.168.0.254:2000"; so the DHCP server can tell clients where to find the NBD, just like DHCP can currently do with NFS roots today. pscheie, if you install ltsp-server it defines /etc/xinetd.d/nbdrootd I think pscheie, basically nbdrootd serves a file or partition containing whatever filesystem image to a defined port number Fix pulseaudio launching for remote sound. ========================================== https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=436906 Talked a bit with Lennart after the meeting. The ticket has been updated by Lennart with some advice. Fix ltsp-server-initialize ========================== https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=436907 ltsp-server-initialize is supposed to be a way to automatically configure a server to be a LTSP server. This is a lower priority for me. This is another great opportunity for somebody to get their feet wet in LTSP development. screen.d/xdmcp and screen.d/ldm should share X prep code. ========================================================= https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=436910 oops. this already done. vagrantc did most of the work. thanks vagrantc. (ltspfs) Fix cdpinger segfault. =============================== https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=436913 curiously I haven't seen this crash recently. I'm not aware of any fixes that went in. Keep an eye out if you see it crash. vagrantc is working on a different way to run cdpinger on-demand via udev. I'll be working with him on this because it is better than the current way. Implement non-PXE boot methods using mkelfimage. ================================================ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=438103 I'm working on this now. After talking with vagrantc yesterday I decided to use the update-kernels script in ltsp-client with a few modifications, like NOT touching pxelinux.cfg, yaboot and other boot loader configs. although dwmw2 claims it shouldn't be necessary to wrap kernel and initrd to boot on linuxbios... going to explore that later. Q-FUNK of artecgroup is sending me a Thincan with linuxbios so I can do actual testing later. FL_TeacherTool ============== http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/screenshot.html robark says he will port fl_teachertool to K12Linux. Fedora 9 Release Schedule ========================= http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/ This is the Fedora 9 development schedule. This likely means we have until April 7th to get bug fixes in for Fedora 9. LTSP Development Training ========================= We are meeting on Sunday, March 30th at 11AM EDT (1500 UTC) in irc.freenode.net #ltsp for LTSP development training. * Learn how to find and check out the LTSP source repositories. * How to find things in the source checkout. * How to edit things. * How to build your own tarballs/RPMS for your testing. * How to install your test RPMS on your server and client. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From ernie_hudson at snowline.k12.ca.us Fri Mar 28 20:25:05 2008 From: ernie_hudson at snowline.k12.ca.us (Ernie Hudson) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:25:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <47EC05F0.6070904@futuresource.com> Message-ID: Thanks Les, Running the update from the command line did the trick, in the middle of the updates installing the splash screen appeared and the graphical user interface was up. Everything else worked also except for usb thumb drives on the thin client and sabayon on the server. Ernie -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:39 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] (no subject) Ernie Hudson wrote: > I was logged on to the server. > > The system is, > Intel motherboard S5000vsa > 8 gigs ram > The video chipset on the mother board is ATI ES1000 w/16mb ram > 6 sata drives, 2 250 gig, 4 500 gig. > 2 quad core zeon 2.0 processors. > > Funny thing is I installed Edubuntu 6.10 and everything just worked. When I > try to install Edubunu 7.10 I keep getting the failed install build ltsp > chroot, this happens every time. When I install ltsp5el Ithe server boots to > a login prompt and when I try to run the cmd startx I receive the error > xserver failed. > > Sorry for the late reply as I am on spring break this week and have only > come in a couple of days. I'd do a 'yum update' as root from the command line, accept all the updates and reboot before doing too much else. It could be a bug that the updates will fix. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rowens at ptd.net Fri Mar 28 20:53:25 2008 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:53:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Extremely Urgent!!!-- K12LTSP- Which Installation to use? In-Reply-To: <47ECBD45.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> References: <47EA757F.3040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <47EA7D61.1000009@futuresource.com> <47EBB006.9000708@mogadore.net> <3777FA11-DC2A-4A52-9DD8-1A91F6136076@mindfirestudios.com> <47ECF64B.4080202@mogadore.net> <47ECBD45.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> Message-ID: <20080328205325.GB23313@junker.owens.net> Definitely the CentOS version. (K12LTSP 5.0EL) It's the only one that still has security updates applied. Your other option is Edubuntu, but last I heard it wasn't quite as polished as K12LTSP. Maybe Skolelinux, too, if it's available in English. -Rob On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 09:41:28AM -0400, Travis Smith wrote: > Centos iso's..probably best bet is 32 bit > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/iso > > >>> Anthony Luscre 03-28-08 9:44 AM >>> > I need to build a new LTSP server to be ready by next Monday to replace > > an very old computer/installation that died. > > What installation should I use? > > I am finding a variety of links to download variety of versions, but > cannot tell which is most current/stable version and link to download > ISOs. > > Thanks > Anthony > > -- > > -----Anthony A. Luscre------ > ---Director of Technology--- > ---Mogadore Local Schools--- > -----Mogadore, Ohio--------- > http://www.mogadore.net/tech > > Visit our Homepage http:/www.mogadore.net > Visit our Portal http://www.mogadore.net/portal_pages.html > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > Scanned by GenNET AV in > > > Scanned by GenNET AV out > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rowens at ptd.net Fri Mar 28 21:04:54 2008 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:04:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Video streaming In-Reply-To: <47ED0B05.8070003@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <47ED0B05.8070003@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20080328210454.GC23313@junker.owens.net> Have you looked into Jinzora? http://en.jinzora.com/ -Rob On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 03:13:09PM +0000, Brian Chivers wrote: > Just thinking about my next project for College and one thing that I think > I need to look at is video streaming. > > Currently we have a server with a big HDD that people save clips on as > AVI's and this is mapped to the users via Samba. This is OKish for inside > college but when they are outside of college they have no access to it and > as well allow external access to Moodle I'd like to be able for staff to > embed the clips into moodle so they have the same access inside or outside > of college. > > Has anyone done this sort of thing before & if so what did you use. I have > looked at the Darwin / Open Source Streaming Server from apple [1] but > don't want to start reinventing the wheel if people have found something > easier to setup / use > > Thanks > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > [1]http://developer.apple.com/opensource/server/streaming/index.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sat Mar 29 01:09:34 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:09:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] distributing stand alone program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47ED96CE.6010104@scheie.homedns.org> It sounds like the gerwin program may be a startup shell script that has some relative paths, such that when it's called, it looks in places such as lib/some-lib-file with the assumption that lib/ is within the present working directory ($PWD). Have a look inside the program file, and if that's the case, you may need to edit some paths and make them absolute, e.g., /usr/share gerwin-0.6/lib rather than lib/. Peter Eric Brown wrote: > Hello all, > > I've got a problem that I feel I should know the answer to, but I've > not done this in an LTSP environment before. > > I would like my Advanced Web Design students to build their databases > using GNU Ferret (formerly Gerwin, at > http://www.gnu.org/software/ferret/project/project.html). After > trying out a few dozen different database building tools, I think this > may be one of the easier ones for them to use. You download a zipped > package, which I've unzipped. I've put the folder with the program > files in /usr/share/gerwin-0.6. I created a soft link in > /usr/share/bin to the gerwin program file, but the user gets the error > "Could not find" something " in /src". I believe it's trying to > access files in a subdirectory in the program folder, but isn't able > to find these files because of the link. I also tried creating a > launcher to the executable, but nothing happened (I believe due to > the same error). I'm pretty confident it's not a permission problem > (my typical mode of failure) because a user can navigate to the > program folder, and run the program from there. I'd like to keep this > as simple for the students, as I know databases and mysql is going to > be enough for them to wrap their mind around. > > What am I missing here? I'm sure its possible for a user to make a > link one time to the program that they can just click on. It would be > nice if this were in the yum repository, but I also don't mind > learning how to get these links right. If it matters, I'm running > K12LTSP on Fedora 8 (I think). > > Thanks, > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wtogami at redhat.com Sun Mar 30 14:20:17 2008 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:20:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: LTSP Development Training: Sunday, March 30th at 11AM EDT Message-ID: <47EFA1A1.3070304@redhat.com> This meeting is in 40 minutes. LTSP Development Training ========================= We are meeting on Sunday, March 30th at 11AM EDT (1500 UTC) in irc.freenode.net #ltsp for LTSP development training. * Learn how to find and check out the LTSP source repositories. * How to find things in the source checkout. * How to edit things. * How to build your own tarballs/RPMS for your testing. * How to install your test RPMS on your server and client. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Mar 31 11:09:48 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:09:48 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Block internet access on thinclient side Message-ID: <47F0C67C.2070301@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I'd like to block all access to the outside network / internet from our thinclients unless they go via the our proxy server. I have installed a global extension for firefox that has setup it up how I want with proxy's and bookmarks etc for all users but if you change the connection setting to "direct" you go straight out bypassing everything. I could setup our main firewall to block the thinclient server completely but it is very useful to have full connectivity on it for things like freenx and updates. Is it possible to setup the iptables on the k12ltsp box itself to drop or redirect all connects from the thinclient side and only allow the important ones for things like the initial booting ? I've never played with iptables before any useful pointers would be gratefully received. Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Mar 31 11:31:48 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:31:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Block internet access on thinclient side In-Reply-To: <47F0C67C.2070301@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <47F0C67C.2070301@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1206963108.3833.310.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Hi Brian, It is quite easy to do what you need. The thin clients all run their web browser on the server so only the thin client servers need to be adjusted. iptables is the correct way to do it because proxy settings in user configs can be changed. iptables -I PREROUTING -t nat -s 127.0.0.1 -m tcp -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-destination : Repeat that for all other port traffic you need by just changing the 80. You can save the final configuration with iptables-save > iptables-saved-file and restore with iptables-restore iptables-saved-file On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 12:09 +0100, Brian Chivers wrote: > I'd like to block all access to the outside network / internet from our thinclients unless they go > via the our proxy server. I have installed a global extension for firefox that has setup it up how I > want with proxy's and bookmarks etc for all users but if you change the connection setting to > "direct" you go straight out bypassing everything. > > I could setup our main firewall to block the thinclient server completely but it is very useful to > have full connectivity on it for things like freenx and updates. > > Is it possible to setup the iptables on the k12ltsp box itself to drop or redirect all connects from > the thinclient side and only allow the important ones for things like the initial booting ? > > I've never played with iptables before any useful pointers would be gratefully received. > > Thanks > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC 770-493-8244 http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From mlindman at charter.net Mon Mar 31 14:05:00 2008 From: mlindman at charter.net (Mark Lindman) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:05:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Update fails - component: Software Updater In-Reply-To: <47EBB82F.9020309@mogadore.net> References: <20080113101708.SZACQ.961672.root@fepweb05> <47EBB82F.9020309@mogadore.net> Message-ID: <1206972300.5908.3.camel@WEN-2581401E> Hi Anthony I have not been able to get anything to work to fix it. I may end up just running the system the way it is until the end of the school year and then replace it. it's used primarily by a photography class that is working on the school annual, and I can't risk mucking it up for them. --Mark On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 11:07 -0400, Anthony Luscre wrote: > Mark > > Did you get an answer or fix the problem. > I am having the same issues. > > Thanks > > Anthony > > Lindman wrote: > > Hi Terrell, > > > > The error I posted came from the GUI. > > > > >From the command line I've tried "yum clean all" followed by "yum update", with this result: > > > > > > From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Mon Mar 31 14:10:27 2008 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:10:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Extremely Urgent!!!-- K12LTSP- Which Installation to use? In-Reply-To: <20080328205325.GB23313@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: I don't think Edubuntu would be a poor choice, but it depends on your use. I had more success with the K12LTSP setup and would recommend the CentOS version as well. My biggest issue with Edubuntu was integration into an AD, it's possible just not nearly as simple as with K12. Levi > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:53 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Extremely Urgent!!!-- K12LTSP- Which > Installation to use? > > Definitely the CentOS version. (K12LTSP 5.0EL) It's the > only one that still has security updates applied. > > Your other option is Edubuntu, but last I heard it wasn't > quite as polished as K12LTSP. Maybe Skolelinux, too, if it's > available in English. > > -Rob > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 09:41:28AM -0400, Travis Smith wrote: > > Centos iso's..probably best bet is 32 bit > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/iso > > > > >>> Anthony Luscre 03-28-08 9:44 AM >>> > > I need to build a new LTSP server to be ready by next Monday to > > replace > > > > an very old computer/installation that died. > > > > What installation should I use? > > > > I am finding a variety of links to download variety of > versions, but > > cannot tell which is most current/stable version and link > to download > > ISOs. > > > > Thanks > > Anthony > > > > -- > > > > -----Anthony A. Luscre------ > > ---Director of Technology--- > > ---Mogadore Local Schools--- > > -----Mogadore, Ohio--------- > > http://www.mogadore.net/tech > > > > Visit our Homepage http:/www.mogadore.net Visit our Portal > > http://www.mogadore.net/portal_pages.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > Scanned by GenNET AV in > > > > > > Scanned by GenNET AV out > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From baci at harborcityschool.org Mon Mar 31 15:05:20 2008 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:05:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NCLINUX In-Reply-To: <47ED96CE.6010104@scheie.homedns.org> References: <47ED96CE.6010104@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <1206975920.4381.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sorry to have missed any emails about this, whats the word? got dates yet?