From nick at trilliumcharterschool.org Thu May 1 00:38:44 2008 From: nick at trilliumcharterschool.org (Nick Fenger) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:38:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Finally need to logon and access homes from windows In-Reply-To: <48186BAA.5070006@scheie.homedns.org> References: <8b88203f0804291201y1d33652atd48879126082e0a6@mail.gmail.com> <48186BAA.5070006@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: If you are not going to have the XP machine join a domain then you can drop a script into the C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup folder on the XP box. It will pop up their files when they login and remind them to completely log out when they are done. Copy to a text below and save as Logon.vbs If MsgBox("Do You Need Access to Your Personal Files During This Session?",4,"Access Your Files?") = 6 Then Call Main() End If Sub Main() Msgbox "Be sure to completely logout of Windows when you are done or others will be able to access your files. " & vbCrLf & "Press OK to enter your username and password to access your files." Call Run("%windir%\Explorer.exe \\TRILLIUMORG-PDC\ ") Msgbox "If received an error saying your files were not accessable, logout of windows and login again" End Sub Sub Run(ByVal sFile) Dim shell Set shell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") 'shell.Run Chr(34) & sFile & Chr(34), 1, false shell.Run sFile, 1, false Set shell = Nothing End Sub I think you could map a network drive that may do the same thing but I'm not sure. On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Peter Scheie wrote: > To access your linux home dirs from Windows, you'll need Samba running on > the linux box(es). I don't think setting that up will be any easier or > harder on Centos than Fedora 5 or 6; setting Samba up is easy on any of > them. So, I wouldn't change your existing systems for that, at least not > this late in the school year. There are other reasons to upgrade, chiefly > the fact that support updates are no longer being produced for Fedora 5 & 6. > But that can wait until summer. > > Peter > > Jim Christiansen wrote: > > > Well, the day has arrived where I need to log on windows (2k or xp pro- > > haven't decided yet) and use my linux home dirs. > > > > The current server is fedora 5 or 6 based k12ltsp. Will things be > > easier if the server was running the current k12ltsp 5- Centos version?? > > > > Is there a current writeup for this? > > > > I wish I didn't have to, but I have Pro/Engineer and want my students to > > experience it. > > > > Thanks in advance for any ideas and advice. Jim > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Trillium Charter School MS Advisor Math & Technology Teacher Technology Coordinator www.trilliumcharterschool.org Trillium Charter School is democratically-structured environment that fosters students' natural curiosity, creativity, and self-awareness. Students learn to take initiative and assume responsibility for their own learning, which supports constructive interaction with the local, regional, and global community. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu May 1 04:26:15 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 00:26:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Excessive collisions cripple network -- Suggestions for solutions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48194667.6010008@cmosnetworks.com> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Tom Wolfe wrote: > > >> Our Linux labs continue to work great. However, our network has now become >> much bigger, with lots of little satellite switches in our mini labs >> (classes that are serviced by a single Cat 5e wire now have 5-15 K12LTSP >> clients via simple switches). >> >> Every couple of months it seems that accidentally ?someone? plugs both >> ends of an ethernet cable into the same switch. This ends up sending out >> collisions like nuts and slows or cripples our network. I then have to >> figure out where the problem is and fix it. >> >> Are there any recommendations out there on how to prevent these problems >> from affecting my whole network, e.g. is there a switch that will shut >> down a port if it's generating too many collisions or problems? And maybe >> even email me to alert me of the problem?? >> >> Suggestions would be appreciated! >> >> > Many optipons, all good options cost money. The simplest if not least > expensive is to use switches that support spanning tree protocol, end > enable it. There is a small packet delay penalty, but it is usually > negligible. All my HP Procurve switches have STP set and have no problem > with looped cabling. since this happens in rooms served by a single cat5 > wire, local STP is really crucial. If only a big upstream switch has this > capability, it will stop all traffic from the affected room. > julius > Julius is right. What you're seeing probably isn't massive collisions, but rather a broadcast storm, which can happen even when everything's Full Duplex (i. e., no collisions). Several models of switch support STP: HP ProCurve Cisco Catalyst (all models) Amer.com (all managed-switch models) Raptor Avaya I've also used some Nortel BayStack 350-24T and 450-24T switches, which do this job very nicely as well. They make great LTSP switches, and they're relatively inexpensive on eBay. Look for one with a Gig-E uplink in it. To get rid of the delay that Julius mentioned, which can take 30 seconds, you should configure all your access ports for "Rapid Spanning Tree", or in Cisco parlance, "port-fast" spanning tree. That'll reduce that delay from 30 seconds down to 2 seconds. Leave your uplinks on "normal" spanning tree. Additionally, you might want to configure your access ports to do rate-limiting for broadcast frames. This is relatively easy on any managed switch of decent quality. We do this at my place of work with rather good results. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Thu May 1 10:21:23 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:21:23 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] configure instructions In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F6D0D@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053A12FD@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <590C489D-CEF3-4B01-9CC3-05036AF7D695@breun.nl> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F6D0D@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: Marc Fromm wrote: > I tried to configure the required files that will allow a box to find > and boot from the LTSP server. In our building DHCP is already running > thus the current LTSP server is configured with specific system > entries > associated by MAC addresses. > > Below are all the config files that I could locate that assosciate > with > booting a terminal. These are the configurations that are beyond the > install that require specific information. I think the big > difference is > our LTSP server will only boot systems that it is told to boot, > based on > all the config file settings. > > [snip] If your LTSP server has 2 NIC it would be so much easier to just attach your clients to 1 of them and let the LTSP server do DHCP for your clients. You can use the other NIC to connect the LTSP server to the rest of your network (to provide internet access for the clients for instance) and you should be good to go. Nils Breunese. From ahodson at elp.rr.com Thu May 1 15:53:40 2008 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:53:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Do we need to spread the message? Message-ID: <21804570.129471209657221115.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web23-z01> Hi list members I find myself having to write more and more letters to software makers that are not addressing the growing need for Linux/Java portals for their web-based software... Am I alone here? ============================================== Greetings My name is Alan Hodson, and I work for the El Paso ISD (TX) Technology Services Department. One of my responsibilities is to make sure that our sizable investment on diskless Thin Clients that are deployed in many labs (and increasingly as replacement desktop units) work flawlessly with the software that Curriculum and Instruction determines should be accessible by our teachers and students. I've looked at Windows and Mac interfaces for XXXXXXXX, but I am coming up short as far as Linux/Java. I need to know if there are plans to develop a Linux interface (or system independent Java) to make sure nobody is left behind, or to begin efforts to migrate to a system that does. Depending on the caliber of your programmers, any web-based solution has a myriad of work-arounds specific to an app that you want in your customer's CPUs. The problem is in most companies one of foresight - only Mac and Windows solutions is a last-century approach to last-century customers. More and more districts are seeing the light (mostly savings) in converting to thin clients and Linux-based servers (ala K12LTSP). I hope yours is a progressive company, that is "able to effectively tap the potential of the Open Source community" (a quote from Don Tapscott's Wikinomics book) I hope to hear good news from your R&D folks. The product looks really cool! Cheers Alan A Hodson MEd. oF: 915-887-6871 fX: 915-779-4100 aahodson at episd.org http://links.episd.org/ http://tinyurl.com/3e4sh8 Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away ============================== From robert.pogson at gmail.com Thu May 1 16:39:41 2008 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (robert pogson) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:39:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Userful Linux/discoverstation Message-ID: <6e87faa70805010939r60c66952rd19c6603e5558144@mail.gmail.com> I used Groovix.com last year. They have FLOSS scripts that worked very well. We did have a problem with static discharges changing the identity of the mice/keyboards but that can be fixed with udev rules. Look for multiseat X in Google. I do not know how you could stick in 20 on one server that way. We used 1 AGP and 5 PCI video cards to get six per server. Heating is an issue with so many cards side by side. I think thin client is a better tool in most cases if you can use the $100 client on the back of a monitor. You may still need thick clients for full screen video etc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Thu May 1 20:38:36 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:38:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] centos install instructions Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F7260@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> I created my boot DVD with the centos dvd iso. Is there an install document for the centos version? The k12ltsp site lists documentation for fedora with an LTSP option. http://k12ltsp.org/install.html Marc Fromm Information Technology Specialist II Financial Aid Department Western Washington University Phone: 360-650-3351 Fax: 360-788-0251 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu May 1 20:50:20 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 16:50:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Do we need to spread the message? In-Reply-To: <21804570.129471209657221115.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web23-z01> References: <21804570.129471209657221115.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web23-z01> Message-ID: <481A2D0C.5000001@cmosnetworks.com> ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Hi list members > > I find myself having to write more and more letters to software makers that are not addressing the growing need for Linux/Java portals for their web-based software... Am I alone here? > You are not alone. I've written a few myself. Usually, I'm told--somewhat politely--to go jump in the river. So, I simply avoid that product. That's one big reason why I'm celebrating that my employer no longer uses BMC's "Magic" trouble-ticket system (IE-only). We switched to something that is Firefox-friendly. Even Cisco is starting, slowly, to see the light. Actually, most things that need to be done can also be done with cross-platform JavaScript. This would eliminate the need for a Java VM in the first place. --TP From aahodson at episd.org Thu May 1 21:06:24 2008 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:06:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] The new Ubuntu 8.04 server Message-ID: <4819DC700200006C00019659@episd14.episd.org> List: After downloading the brand new Ubuntu 8.04 server and the Edubuntu 8.04 Addons isos, burning them, and installing them (edubuntu needs to be installed from Synaptic/CD source) and after running "sudo ltsp-build-client" the awesome looking ubuntu thin clients are available to Thin Client clusters (with the exception perhaps of the AMD Geode-based thin clients like the SYM1112 that just hangs...) Is anybody using a patch or work-around for the SYM112? I had been told that the earlier Gutsy release of Ubuntu included a very broken amd driver, as well as a broken Xserver, that this new version was going to fix. Can anybody perhaps cross-post with the Ubuntu folks to see if they have solutions? Thanks Alan Hodson El Paso ISD - TX http://links.episd.org/3e4sh8 -=o=- From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Thu May 1 22:25:39 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:25:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] configurations ??? Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F742A@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> I installed k12ltsp from the centos iso file. Are there any clear instructions on how to configure the server to boot system based on Mac address? The instructions from this page (http://k12ltsp.org/server.html) are missing details. I have followed them and the system displays the "option root-path" missing error and "kill init" message. I suspect the dhcp.conf file is not configured correctly. After installing the centos k12ltsp the dhcp.conf file had nothing in it. Marc From rowens at ptd.net Thu May 1 23:07:22 2008 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:07:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] The new Ubuntu 8.04 server In-Reply-To: <4819DC700200006C00019659@episd14.episd.org> References: <4819DC700200006C00019659@episd14.episd.org> Message-ID: <20080501230722.GC20010@junker.owens.net> Gideon Romm had some debs he sent me to get the AMD driver to work on Gutsy. Not sure if he's got them for Hardy as well. He told me that Symbio had hired a developer to fix the AMD video driver, but I guess it wasn't done in time for inclusion in Hardy (based on what you're saying). You can probably get Gideon at support at symbio-technologies.com -Rob On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 03:06:24PM -0600, Alan Hodson wrote: > List: > > After downloading the brand new Ubuntu 8.04 server and the Edubuntu 8.04 Addons isos, burning them, and installing them (edubuntu needs to be installed from Synaptic/CD source) and after running "sudo ltsp-build-client" the awesome looking ubuntu thin clients are available to Thin Client clusters (with the exception perhaps of the AMD Geode-based thin clients like the SYM1112 that just hangs...) > > Is anybody using a patch or work-around for the SYM112? I had been told that the earlier Gutsy release of Ubuntu included a very broken amd driver, as well as a broken Xserver, that this new version was going to fix. > > Can anybody perhaps cross-post with the Ubuntu folks to see if they have solutions? > > Thanks > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD - TX > http://links.episd.org/3e4sh8 > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 1 23:13:15 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 16:13:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] The new Ubuntu 8.04 server In-Reply-To: <20080501230722.GC20010@junker.owens.net> References: <4819DC700200006C00019659@episd14.episd.org> <20080501230722.GC20010@junker.owens.net> Message-ID: <481A4E8B.7060605@paasda.org> Those guys at Symbio sure are helpful! he provided me with some video drivers 4yrs ago as well.. --Huck Rob Owens wrote: > Gideon Romm had some debs he sent me to get the AMD driver to work on Gutsy. Not sure if he's got them for Hardy as well. He told me that Symbio had hired a developer to fix the AMD video driver, but I guess it wasn't done in time for inclusion in Hardy (based on what you're saying). > > You can probably get Gideon at support at symbio-technologies.com > > -Rob > > On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 03:06:24PM -0600, Alan Hodson wrote: >> List: >> >> After downloading the brand new Ubuntu 8.04 server and the Edubuntu 8.04 Addons isos, burning them, and installing them (edubuntu needs to be installed from Synaptic/CD source) and after running "sudo ltsp-build-client" the awesome looking ubuntu thin clients are available to Thin Client clusters (with the exception perhaps of the AMD Geode-based thin clients like the SYM1112 that just hangs...) >> >> Is anybody using a patch or work-around for the SYM112? I had been told that the earlier Gutsy release of Ubuntu included a very broken amd driver, as well as a broken Xserver, that this new version was going to fix. >> >> Can anybody perhaps cross-post with the Ubuntu folks to see if they have solutions? >> >> Thanks >> Alan Hodson >> El Paso ISD - TX >> http://links.episd.org/3e4sh8 >> -=o=- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri May 2 00:52:24 2008 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 20:52:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Win an eeePC at FOSSED 2008! Join us! Message-ID: Win an eeePC at FOSSED 2008! Yep! That's right! The fine folks from Resara who'll be providing the networking for FOSSED 2008, will be providing a brand new eeePC to a lucky winner at FOSSED 2008! BUT...ya' gotta' be there to win! FOSSED 2008 at Gould Academy is just a little over 7 weeks away! That may sound like a lot to some of you, but to me it's "crunch time". If you're planning to come we hope you'll register very soon as we need to get everything in order to make this the best FOSSED yet! Register today! http://fossed.blogspot.com Hello everyone! It's that time of year again! Time to begin thinking about summer, upgrades, purchases, and enriching our minds with new knowledge...and since this is a bit of a tough budget year...free and open source software could really help you in the coming year! Once again, this year we're offering the Free & Open Source Software in Education Conference. Would you believe this will be our 6th anniversary! Six years! Wow! It all start with a ground swell from folks like you who wanted to know more about Linux/Open Source alternatives and how they could be applied to school networks and the classroom. Here we are 5 years later and still going strong! I want you all to know....you're welcome, no matter where you are...we hope you can join us! In the past we've had folks from FL, NC, VA, British Columbia, Quebec....and more....so feel free and welcome to join us this year! I also want you all to know that this year we're hosting a new conference in Byfield, MA at Governor's Academy! The format will be similar to the one at Gould Academy, but we'll have lots of new presenters and sessions! For specific questions and information please feel free to contact us at: (and seriously, don't hesitate to ask) dtrask_AT_vcsvikings.org or copperdoggy_AT_gmail.com When you get right down to it...the conference is an amazing experience for the money. ($495 for on-campus / $445 for off-campus....and this includes all meals, accomodations, etc and the conference!) For more info and to register (first read below)visit our web site at http://fossed.blogspot.com Techies, admins, classroom teachers, students, consultants, vendors.....all welcome! We have something for everyone! Bring a team and learn together! Before I go into too much additional detail, I wanted to let you all know that the FOSSED conference Session Descriptions (which is an open-ended document) for the Gould Academy conference in Bethel, Maine has been posted here: (check back often) http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfvj9xq4_142mwp2nctf FOSSED Session descriptions http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfvj9xq4_145q25xp3cx FOSSED FAQ's (everything you wanted to know!) To celebrate, this year we're going to have some exciting new additions! Two years ago, the addition of the "teacher track" in which classroom teachers attended to learn more about using Open Source/Web 2.0/etc in their classrooms was so successful, we scrambled to add another teacher track for the UNH conference just 2 weeks later...and lo' and behold it was full! So...that kind of success merits some attention! Once again, this year we'll feature a full set of sessions for teachers! These will include, but are not limited to..."A Tour of Free Open Source Applications for your classroom...try them out!" (Robert Sargent from VT...will be presenting), "Ok, I have Open Source in my classroom...now what?" (taught by one of our conference alumni who is an elementary classroom teacher), "Web 2.0, Blogging, etc. for your classroom" (taught by Sharon Betts...popular session from last year...lots of new content for this year)..."Moodle beyond the classroom! (using Moodle for professional development)"..."Open Source applications on the MLTI laptops"...and much more! Lots of useful sessions to help you learn more without spending more! This year we'll be kicking the techie side of things up another notch! I'm REALLY excited about Trey Bachner's session on "Open source tools for a unified help desk"! I've seen this in action...automated asset/inventory management (imagine populating an inventory database just by turning on the computer and connecting to the network!)...server monitoring...help desk...and so much more! All Open Source and FREE. Learn how to easily manage servers...deploy commands...make simple changes to MLTI laptops...and so much more! Have you ever wished, "If only I had a program that could so "such and such""? Well...learn some simple skills and you might just be able to write it yourself! We'll learn all about Linux firewalls, routers, and servers....in particular...the awesome IPCop server and the new spectacular Untangle Internet Gateway server! (YES it's true...now you can manage Instant Messaging and P2P traffic!) For those of you deploying or hoping to deploy Linux/Open Source into the classroom...we'll be exploring how to set that up. You'll also have a chance to use Linux thin-client terminals...hands on...thanks to the folks from Resara. And a new yet HUGE topic...Virtualization! Using VMware, Parallels, and so forth to easily deploy multiple servers on one piece of hardware...or to make easy to deploy virtual machines for use in the classroom! Imagine making a virtual Windows machine or Linux machine on one computer and then simply copying that file (yes...one file) to all the machines in the building and VOILA! You have deployed an entire operating system complete with applications! No more modifications necessary! Come learn more! Ok...so that's a taste of what we're offering (see the link to the Session Descriptions for more)...and we'd sure like to hear if there's something more you'd like to learn. It looks like a lot of sessions, and it is, but we'll have more half-day sessions this year so you can attend more sessions than in years past. Remember...Mac, Linux, Windows? We don't care! We're going to cover them all....we're talking about Open Source in our cross-platform world. Sure, we'll be spending quite a bit of time on Linux...especially on the techie side, but most of the sessions involving Open Source in the classroom will be essentially platform agnostic...so bring your Mac, Windows, or Linux machine (laptop) and we'll show you how you can have the same applications for everyone regardless of what kind of computer they use! Last, but not least is the atmosphere. You get a chance to relax, unwind, and enjoy learning about technology. We're a shorts and T-shirt kind of crowd. It's 3 days of hands-on learning. You get a chance to talk to other folks from other schools...share ideas...network...and more. The food is FANTASTIC! Seriously, you have to see it to believe it...ask anyone who's been. So what're you waiting for! So...where do you sign up? Visit us at http://fossed.blogspot.com There are 2 conferences this year. The granddaddy of them all...at Gould Academy in Bethel Maine...June 25th - 27th (arrive afternoon of the 24th to settle in a prepare for the next morning)....and our third year in southern New England...this year at Governors Academy in Byfield, MA August 4th-6th (arrive the p.m. of the 3rd)! Remember! ACTEM members can apply for $400 in professional development funds...it's a great deal and the conference will end up costing you a small amount in the end. Many folks have done this in the past and it's a great use of this ACTEM benefit! How much? The costs for Governor's and Gould are as follows: $495 - on-campus (all meals, rooms, etc. are included!) $445 - off-campus (only noon-time meal and snacks included) Please register early. Even if you don't have a PO number yet...register and leave that part blank. We can also accept credit cards if you wish to pay that way. (You will get an email from me with a link and instructions to pay by CC) So...hope you can join us this year! If you have any questions or suggestions...don't hesitate to let me know at dtrask at vcsvikings.org or copperdoggy at gmail.com :-) IF YOU HAVE ALREADY REGISTERED PLEASE GET YOUR PO'S TO ME ASAP! THX! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From webmaster at vol.org Fri May 2 01:08:09 2008 From: webmaster at vol.org (George Kocke) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:08:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] The new Ubuntu 8.04 server In-Reply-To: <4819DC700200006C00019659@episd14.episd.org> References: <4819DC700200006C00019659@episd14.episd.org> Message-ID: On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Alan Hodson wrote: > After downloading the brand new Ubuntu 8.04 server and the Edubuntu 8.04 Addons isos, burning them, and installing them (edubuntu needs to be installed from Synaptic/CD source) and after running "sudo ltsp-build-client" the awesome looking ubuntu thin clients are available to Thin Client clusters (with the exception perhaps of the AMD Geode-based thin clients like the SYM1112 that just hangs...) > Is anybody using a patch or work-around for the SYM112? I had been told that the earlier Gutsy release of Ubuntu included a very broken amd driver, as well as a broken Xserver, that this new version was going to fix. I have 60 ComputerLab Geode thin clients similar to these: http://computerlab.com/techspecmt15t.htm I installed 8.04 / LTSP 5 using the alternative install CD and ran into the Geode video problem. Mine will present a series of green dots across the screen when X starts and I am unable to switch to a shell. I can ping the machines, so I know they're not completely frozen. I really need a fix for this as well. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri May 2 01:13:21 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:13:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] configurations ??? In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F742A@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F742A@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <26DABF88-B03D-47EC-99EE-8979F1995E8F@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 K12LTSP uses a different DHCP configuration file. That's why it's empty. On May 1, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Marc Fromm wrote: > > I installed k12ltsp from the centos iso file. > Are there any clear instructions on how to configure the server to > boot > system based on Mac address? > > The instructions from this page (http://k12ltsp.org/server.html) are > missing details. I have followed them and the system displays the > "option root-path" missing error and "kill init" message. > > I suspect the dhcp.conf file is not configured correctly. After > installing the centos k12ltsp the dhcp.conf file had nothing in it. > > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkgaarEACgkQxWV7OPa/g5HUYQCghmnGDjKpzosO3f/tiLfOENUi eMsAoICR9g5V6fd3HiVo5LxnJmEtuqqH =PfAX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thewhitmers at gmail.com Fri May 2 01:52:32 2008 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 21:52:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] configurations ??? In-Reply-To: <26DABF88-B03D-47EC-99EE-8979F1995E8F@mindfirestudios.com> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F742A@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <26DABF88-B03D-47EC-99EE-8979F1995E8F@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: Marc, K12LTSP now uses the following file for DHCP configuration: /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf Current K12LTSP documentation is in a wiki at: http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page Especially check out the following link to download the various available versions. Most people on this list will point you to the version based on CentOS 5 due its long support life. All the CentOS and Fedora based versions on that page have K12LTSP integrated. http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/DownLoad I hope this will help get you going in the right direction! David Whitmer On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Almquist Burke < balmquist at mindfirestudios.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > K12LTSP uses a different DHCP configuration file. That's why it's empty. > > On May 1, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Marc Fromm wrote: > > > > I installed k12ltsp from the centos iso file. > > Are there any clear instructions on how to configure the server to boot > > system based on Mac address? > > > > The instructions from this page (http://k12ltsp.org/server.html) are > > missing details. I have followed them and the system displays the > > "option root-path" missing error and "kill init" message. > > > > I suspect the dhcp.conf file is not configured correctly. After > > installing the centos k12ltsp the dhcp.conf file had nothing in it. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkgaarEACgkQxWV7OPa/g5HUYQCghmnGDjKpzosO3f/tiLfOENUi > eMsAoICR9g5V6fd3HiVo5LxnJmEtuqqH > =PfAX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri May 2 04:31:11 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 00:31:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] centos install instructions In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F7260@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F7260@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <481A990F.3050408@cmosnetworks.com> Not to my knowledge. However, things *should* work OK if you just add the K12LTSP repositories into your yum.repos.d directory. I don't have one for K12LTSP 5.0EL handy, but I do have one for K12LTSP 4.2EL, which I'm using now. The file is "k12ltsp.repo". There is also a "k12ltsp-webmin.repo" if you'd like to use the WebMin GUI tool. Adapt to your needs, and the standard "no guarantees" disclaimers apply. Of course, you could always just join the K12LTSP 5.0EL torrent and download the ready-made version. :-) k12ltsp.repo: [k12ltsp] name=K12LTSP mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2EL-32bit gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 And k12ltsp-webmin.repo: [webmin] name=Webmin baseurl=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/webmin gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/webmin/WEBMIN-GPG-KEY enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! 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I had been told that the earlier Gutsy release of Ubuntu included a very broken amd driver, as well as a broken Xserver, that this new version was going to fix. > > I have 60 ComputerLab Geode thin clients similar to these: > > http://computerlab.com/techspecmt15t.htm > > I installed 8.04 / LTSP 5 using the alternative install CD and ran > into the Geode video problem. Mine will present a series of green dots > across the screen when X starts and I am unable to switch to a shell. > I can ping the machines, so I know they're not completely frozen. > I vaguely remember the green dots. Have you waited it out? I found that at some point during my troubleshooting, the green dots did not indicate a system hang. I waited a minute or two and eventually got the LDM screen. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From tsmith at geneseeschools.org Fri May 2 14:10:14 2008 From: tsmith at geneseeschools.org (Travis Smith) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 10:10:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox doesn't print flash Message-ID: <481AE885.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> We are piloting this new writing program called MYACCESS that is webbased and uses flash but was surprised when the kids went to print results it wouldn't print the swf object. I looked into and seems like this is a bug in Firefox. Do you guys know of any working solutions or should I try out Opera? I will try Firefox3 in a minute to see if it has same behavior. Travis Sorry if you get this twice but I believe it bounced the first time. Scanned by GenNET AV out -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri May 2 14:35:00 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 10:35:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Adobe finally releasing Flash specs w/o NDA Message-ID: <481B2694.2050203@cmosnetworks.com> It seems that we have Microsoft to thank for something very beneficial to our cause.... Adobe has announced, just yesterday, the free use of the Flash specs to create Flash players, something which, as we all know, they absolutely forbade up until then. Before, you could make Flash file *creators*, like OpenOffice.org does, but not Flash file *readers* without reverse-engineering. Now that the Gnash project has access to the specs, we may be free of the "Adobe curse" soon, especially with LTSP deployments. Teachers will have one less "big gun" to whine about LTSP with. Here's the announcement from Adobe themselves. http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200804/050108AdobeOSP.html Who do we have to thank? Yep, competition from Microsoft's Silverlight. Pure and simple. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Fri May 2 15:10:42 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:10:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] configurations ??? In-Reply-To: <26DABF88-B03D-47EC-99EE-8979F1995E8F@mindfirestudios.com> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F742A@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <26DABF88-B03D-47EC-99EE-8979F1995E8F@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F75A6@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> What DHCP file does LTSP use? The working LTSP system uses the dhcpd.conf file found in /etc that is why I have tried to configure the dhcpd.conf file on the new LTSP system. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Almquist Burke Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:13 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] configurations ??? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 K12LTSP uses a different DHCP configuration file. That's why it's empty. On May 1, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Marc Fromm wrote: > > I installed k12ltsp from the centos iso file. > Are there any clear instructions on how to configure the server to > boot > system based on Mac address? > > The instructions from this page (http://k12ltsp.org/server.html) are > missing details. I have followed them and the system displays the > "option root-path" missing error and "kill init" message. > > I suspect the dhcp.conf file is not configured correctly. After > installing the centos k12ltsp the dhcp.conf file had nothing in it. > > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkgaarEACgkQxWV7OPa/g5HUYQCghmnGDjKpzosO3f/tiLfOENUi eMsAoICR9g5V6fd3HiVo5LxnJmEtuqqH =PfAX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From nils at breun.nl Fri May 2 15:14:03 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 17:14:03 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] configurations ??? In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F75A6@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F742A@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <26DABF88-B03D-47EC-99EE-8979F1995E8F@mindfirestudios.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88053F75A6@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: Marc Fromm wrote: > What DHCP file does LTSP use? The working LTSP system uses the > dhcpd.conf file found in /etc that is why I have tried to configure > the > dhcpd.conf file on the new LTSP system. K12LTSP uses /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf. Normally you shouldn't need to do anything to get your thin clients to boot off of your K12LTSP server after installing it. Nils Breunese. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri May 2 17:51:46 2008 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:51:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Best Web server distro....what is it? Message-ID: A power outage today finally killed one of my web servers....primarily the hard drive. Luckily it wasn't serving a whole lot, but it did house a lot of files that I had uploaded via FTP for "safe-keeping". As you may guess, my backup wasn't any good either. Nonetheless, I've put in a new HD and want to press it back into service. I was running SME server on it and it was running great for about 4+ years. I'm looking for any other possibilities. Simple, quick, dirty, and free (FOSS). Simple Linux web server....any suggestions? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From monteslu at cox.net Fri May 2 18:13:11 2008 From: monteslu at cox.net (monteslu at cox.net) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:13:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Best Web server distro....what is it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080502141311.MX0LR.30022.imail@fed1rmwml08> I'd either go with Centos 5 or Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. Both free and will be getting security updates for a few years. ---- David Trask wrote: > A power outage today finally killed one of my web servers....primarily the > hard drive. Luckily it wasn't serving a whole lot, but it did house a lot > of files that I had uploaded via FTP for "safe-keeping". As you may > guess, my backup wasn't any good either. Nonetheless, I've put in a new > HD and want to press it back into service. I was running SME server on it > and it was running great for about 4+ years. I'm looking for any other > possibilities. Simple, quick, dirty, and free (FOSS). Simple Linux web > server....any suggestions? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Fri May 2 20:00:33 2008 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 16:00:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] The new Ubuntu 8.04 server In-Reply-To: <481A4E8B.7060605@paasda.org> References: <4819DC700200006C00019659@episd14.episd.org> <20080501230722.GC20010@junker.owens.net> <481A4E8B.7060605@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1209758433.28591.10.camel@bart> Hi, guys. Sorry to have been so aloof for so long. I don't have this listserv set up in such an easily accessible way, atm. But, I thought I'd post some instructions for all those using the SYM1110 or SYM1112 on Hardy. The Geode GX2 chipset has issues with ubuntu's usplash. So, the splash screen needs to be turned off: sudo sed -i -e 's/splash//' /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default Also, even with the driver improvements that we've made on the Geode - which have been both for the LX and GX2 chipsets, these chipsets are very much dependent on the BIOS. As it happens, some BIOSes lie about their configurations to the OS and claim to have an internal LCD panel when they do not. The driver uses different timings if there is a panel. So, to get the right timings for the video modes that you want, we recommend the following lts.conf params on LTSP5: X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 X_OPTION_01 = "\"NoPanel\" \"true\"" I hope that explains things well enough. The 16-bit color depth ensures you can get the highest possible mode (and is thin client friendlier). Since the issue of the lying BIOS is not the driver's fault, it would be wrong of us to include something in upstream that would disable the panel regardless of what the BIOS says. In terms of the bootsplash, it is on the board as something to address, because everybody likes a nice bootsplash. :) Cheers, -Gideon PS: I am crawling back into my hole, so please no offense if I am not heard from for some time. :) On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 16:13 -0700, Huck wrote: > Those guys at Symbio sure are helpful! > he provided me with some video drivers 4yrs ago as well.. > > --Huck > > Rob Owens wrote: > > Gideon Romm had some debs he sent me to get the AMD driver to work on Gutsy. Not sure if he's got them for Hardy as well. He told me that Symbio had hired a developer to fix the AMD video driver, but I guess it wasn't done in time for inclusion in Hardy (based on what you're saying). > > > > You can probably get Gideon at support at symbio-technologies.com > > > > -Rob > > > > On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 03:06:24PM -0600, Alan Hodson wrote: > >> List: > >> > >> After downloading the brand new Ubuntu 8.04 server and the Edubuntu 8.04 Addons isos, burning them, and installing them (edubuntu needs to be installed from Synaptic/CD source) and after running "sudo ltsp-build-client" the awesome looking ubuntu thin clients are available to Thin Client clusters (with the exception perhaps of the AMD Geode-based thin clients like the SYM1112 that just hangs...) > >> > >> Is anybody using a patch or work-around for the SYM112? I had been told that the earlier Gutsy release of Ubuntu included a very broken amd driver, as well as a broken Xserver, that this new version was going to fix. > >> > >> Can anybody perhaps cross-post with the Ubuntu folks to see if they have solutions? > >> > >> Thanks > >> Alan Hodson > >> El Paso ISD - TX > >> http://links.episd.org/3e4sh8 > >> -=o=- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From lists.john at gmail.com Fri May 2 20:21:01 2008 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:21:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Consensus seems to be building Hardy Heron slow as molasses Message-ID: <2be970b50805021321g3f058fe0v59904acdb1bd9108@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I run a dev box where I try out the latest LTSP stuff before adding it to our school districts LTSP environment. I recently upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy and I have to say Hardy is noticeably slower. Bad enough that I would never dare foist it on the kids in a thin client environment. Google tells me that other folks have similar complaints in stand-alone environments. From folks I spoken with It seems to be an under lying problem with X, possibly due to attempts to integrate compiz et al. I am willing to bet that I'll never use really flashy windows effects with my thin clients so the speed trade off for those of us in a LTSP environment are simply a losing proposition. I'll keep using LTSP because I love the approach but I hope Jim et. al. continue to work on a stand alone version that doesn't require us to be tied to any particular distribution. .02, John From nils at breun.nl Fri May 2 21:54:25 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 23:54:25 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Best Web server distro....what is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C55CA88-FB16-48E6-AC44-DC3083703C3F@breun.nl> David Trask wrote: > A power outage today finally killed one of my web > servers....primarily the > hard drive. Luckily it wasn't serving a whole lot, but it did house > a lot > of files that I had uploaded via FTP for "safe-keeping". As you may > guess, my backup wasn't any good either. Nonetheless, I've put in a > new > HD and want to press it back into service. I was running SME server > on it > and it was running great for about 4+ years. I'm looking for any > other > possibilities. Simple, quick, dirty, and free (FOSS). Simple Linux > web > server....any suggestions? Just use whatever you're comfortable with and has a couple of years of security updates. If you don't want to spend any money you probably want CentOS, Ubuntu LTS or Debian. If SME is still alive that is probably fine as well, since that's based on CentOS AFAIK. There isn't any fundamental difference in Apache on those different distributions. Nils Breunese. From les at futuresource.com Fri May 2 23:05:27 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 18:05:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Best Web server distro....what is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <481B9E37.3030203@futuresource.com> David Trask wrote: > A power outage today finally killed one of my web servers....primarily the > hard drive. Luckily it wasn't serving a whole lot, but it did house a lot > of files that I had uploaded via FTP for "safe-keeping". As you may > guess, my backup wasn't any good either. Nonetheless, I've put in a new > HD and want to press it back into service. I was running SME server on it > and it was running great for about 4+ years. I'm looking for any other > possibilities. Simple, quick, dirty, and free (FOSS). Simple Linux web > server....any suggestions? If SME server did what you needed without modifications, grab a current copy from www.contribs.org. It still works and is based on a still-supported centos. But... you really should something running backuppc on a raid-mirrored filesystem to take care of that for you. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From phanh at canby.k12.or.us Sat May 3 04:12:02 2008 From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 21:12:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fatal server error: No screens found Message-ID: Hello, folks One of our K12LTSP client quit working and we put in a new one with higher spec: 1.4 GHz, 256MB and Intel NIC card. We then receive this message: Module Loader present [EE]No Devices detected Fatal server error: No screens found Xserver failed, press enter to continue We think this maybe something related to video but not sure. Anyone run into this problem? and your solution? Thank you very much, From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Sat May 3 04:14:59 2008 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:14:59 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Best Web server distro....what is it? In-Reply-To: <481B9E37.3030203@futuresource.com> References: <481B9E37.3030203@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <481BE6C3.9070705@tclcommunications.co.nz> Les Mikesell wrote: > David Trask wrote: >> A power outage today finally killed one of my web >> servers....primarily the >> hard drive. Luckily it wasn't serving a whole lot, but it did house >> a lot >> of files that I had uploaded via FTP for "safe-keeping". As you may >> guess, my backup wasn't any good either. Nonetheless, I've put in a new >> HD and want to press it back into service. I was running SME server >> on it >> and it was running great for about 4+ years. I'm looking for any other >> possibilities. Simple, quick, dirty, and free (FOSS). Simple Linux web >> server....any suggestions? > > If SME server did what you needed without modifications, grab a > current copy from www.contribs.org. It still works and is based on a > still-supported centos. But... you really should something running > backuppc on a raid-mirrored filesystem to take care of that for you. > I have two SME sites running LTSP loaded onto the server as well 10 windows xp clients and 6 ltsp clients boot from SME as per here SME7.3 + Gnome 2.16 + LTSP 4.2 have added openoffice and a few other apps. there is a "server-panel" to manage the boot images my server is a AMD 4600+ x2 with 4G ram the thin clients load in blink of eye and are very rsponsive! best off both worlds for ltsp + domain controller + lamp etc cheers Paul S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toddobryan at gmail.com Sat May 3 16:15:40 2008 From: toddobryan at gmail.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:15:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fatal server error: No screens found In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <904774730805030915p17deade0rd99f5117d74e8cb1@mail.gmail.com> It is related to the video card. You'll have to pick an appropriate video driver for that machine. Unfortunately, that's all I can tell you. X issues are one of my many areas of nearly complete ignorance. Speaking of which, does anyone have a good print resource that explains the basics of X in a reasonably understandable way? The docs I can find online pretty much assume you know what you're doing. Todd On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Hung Phan wrote: > Hello, folks > > One of our K12LTSP client quit working and we put in a new one with higher > spec: 1.4 GHz, 256MB and Intel NIC card. > We then receive this message: > Module Loader present > [EE]No Devices detected > > Fatal server error: > No screens found > > Xserver failed, press enter to continue > > We think this maybe something related to video but not sure. Anyone run > into this problem? and your solution? > > Thank you very much, > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Sat May 3 16:35:53 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 11:35:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Best Web server distro....what is it? In-Reply-To: <481BE6C3.9070705@tclcommunications.co.nz> References: <481B9E37.3030203@futuresource.com> <481BE6C3.9070705@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: <481C9469.5070106@futuresource.com> Paul Satherley wrote: > >> If SME server did what you needed without modifications, grab a >> current copy from www.contribs.org. It still works and is based on a >> still-supported centos. But... you really should something running >> backuppc on a raid-mirrored filesystem to take care of that for you. >> > I have two SME sites running LTSP loaded onto the server as well 10 > windows xp clients and 6 ltsp clients boot from SME > > as per here SME7.3 + Gnome 2.16 + LTSP 4.2 > have added > openoffice and a few other apps. > > there is a "server-panel" to manage the boot images > my server is a AMD 4600+ x2 with 4G ram the thin clients load in blink > of eye and are very rsponsive! > > best off both worlds for ltsp + domain controller + lamp etc I haven't paid much attention to SME server for a while, although I still have one running as a small email server. I always thought what it needed to integrate with ltsp was to have its user management hooked to LDAP and NFS to export home directories - with other servers doing the actual ltsp booting. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sat May 3 21:01:35 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:01:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fatal server error: No screens found In-Reply-To: <904774730805030915p17deade0rd99f5117d74e8cb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <904774730805030915p17deade0rd99f5117d74e8cb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <481CD2AF.1000501@scheie.homedns.org> You might have a look at "X Power Tools" by Chris Tyler. Just came out this year. I think there are a couple of chapters edited by Jim McQuillan (LTSP founder). Peter Todd O'Bryan wrote: > It is related to the video card. You'll have to pick an appropriate > video driver for that machine. Unfortunately, that's all I can tell > you. X issues are one of my many areas of nearly complete ignorance. > > Speaking of which, does anyone have a good print resource that > explains the basics of X in a reasonably understandable way? The docs > I can find online pretty much assume you know what you're doing. > > Todd > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Hung Phan wrote: >> Hello, folks >> >> One of our K12LTSP client quit working and we put in a new one with higher >> spec: 1.4 GHz, 256MB and Intel NIC card. >> We then receive this message: >> Module Loader present >> [EE]No Devices detected >> >> Fatal server error: >> No screens found >> >> Xserver failed, press enter to continue >> >> We think this maybe something related to video but not sure. Anyone run >> into this problem? and your solution? >> >> Thank you very much, >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun May 4 15:54:00 2008 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 11:54:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New version of K12ltsp?? In-Reply-To: <4805AF9D.9000504@cmosnetworks.com> References: <48054F37.1050807@netscape.net> <4805AF9D.9000504@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <481DDC18.2070304@netscape.net> Hi, I've been out of the loop for some time & this question may seem "dumb" but on the k12ltsp site it mentions that FC6 versions & up are discontinued and that new version of k12ltsp are available with Centos EL5. Does that mean that Centos EL5 incorporates all the k12ltsp functions??? Then the next questions are: -is it possible to upgrade from a FC1 installation to Centos without a wipe & re-install? -can existing IPcop setup be used as-is or will new config and port forwarding be needed? -will default client setup need to be rebuilt? thank you for your help Norbert From twolfe at sawback.com Sun May 4 17:36:12 2008 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Excessive collisions cripple network -- Suggestions for solutions? In-Reply-To: <48194667.6010008@cmosnetworks.com> References: <48194667.6010008@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20080504133257.Q34353@dyyme.pair.com> Terrell & Julius, thanks for the ideas. The switches I have right now are Netgear GS748T (v1). They supposedly support STP but the firmware is also a little flakey. I'll give it a shot. I'm also definitely into the idea of springing more $$ for better switches and moving the Netgears to other less critical locations. The Cisco Catalyst switches are expensive -- are they worth the money? Any specific recommendations? Any lower cost solutions that are "just as good"? Regards, Tom Wolfe --- Tom Wolfe, IT Specialist twolfe at sawback.com Stoney Education Authority tel: (403) 881-2650 Box 238, Morley AB, T0L 1N0 fax: (403) 881-2793 Morley Community School | Chief Jacob Bearspaw School | Ta-otha School On Thu, 1 May 2008, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Tom Wolfe wrote: >> >> >>> Our Linux labs continue to work great. However, our network has now become >>> much bigger, with lots of little satellite switches in our mini labs >>> (classes that are serviced by a single Cat 5e wire now have 5-15 K12LTSP >>> clients via simple switches). >>> >>> Every couple of months it seems that accidentally ?someone? plugs both >>> ends of an ethernet cable into the same switch. This ends up sending out >>> collisions like nuts and slows or cripples our network. I then have to >>> figure out where the problem is and fix it. >>> >>> Are there any recommendations out there on how to prevent these problems >>> from affecting my whole network, e.g. is there a switch that will shut >>> down a port if it's generating too many collisions or problems? And maybe >>> even email me to alert me of the problem?? >>> >>> Suggestions would be appreciated! >>> >>> >> Many optipons, all good options cost money. The simplest if not least >> expensive is to use switches that support spanning tree protocol, end >> enable it. There is a small packet delay penalty, but it is usually >> negligible. All my HP Procurve switches have STP set and have no problem >> with looped cabling. since this happens in rooms served by a single cat5 >> wire, local STP is really crucial. If only a big upstream switch has this >> capability, it will stop all traffic from the affected room. >> julius >> > > Julius is right. What you're seeing probably isn't massive collisions, > but rather a broadcast storm, which can happen even when everything's > Full Duplex (i. e., no collisions). Several models of switch support STP: > > HP ProCurve > Cisco Catalyst (all models) > Amer.com (all managed-switch models) > Raptor > Avaya > > I've also used some Nortel BayStack 350-24T and 450-24T switches, which > do this job very nicely as well. They make great LTSP switches, and > they're relatively inexpensive on eBay. Look for one with a Gig-E > uplink in it. > > To get rid of the delay that Julius mentioned, which can take 30 > seconds, you should configure all your access ports for "Rapid Spanning > Tree", or in Cisco parlance, "port-fast" spanning tree. That'll reduce > that delay from 30 seconds down to 2 seconds. Leave your uplinks on > "normal" spanning tree. > > Additionally, you might want to configure your access ports to do > rate-limiting for broadcast frames. This is relatively easy on any > managed switch of decent quality. We do this at my place of work with > rather good results. > > --TP > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun May 4 20:08:29 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 16:08:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New version of K12ltsp?? In-Reply-To: <481DDC18.2070304@netscape.net> References: <48054F37.1050807@netscape.net> <4805AF9D.9000504@cmosnetworks.com> <481DDC18.2070304@netscape.net> Message-ID: <481E17BD.9030003@cmosnetworks.com> Possible? Maybe. Recommended? Hell, no! You will spend possibly an order of magnitude more time trying to sort out RPM dependencies and maybe even just trying to get the system to boot. If I were you, I'd just do a fresh install. This is, of course, after you've backed up any changes your dhcpd.conf (or equivalent on that version of K12LTSP). If by "CentOS EL" you mean "K12LTSP EL", then the answer is yes. K12LTSP "EL" releases are essentially the same as any other K12LTSP release, the difference being that the base is CentOS, not Fedora. Here's an explanation of the differences. http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Which_K12LTSP_should_I_download%3F --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! bear2bar wrote: > > > Hi, > > I've been out of the loop for some time & this question may seem > "dumb" but on the k12ltsp site it mentions that FC6 versions & up are > discontinued and that new version of k12ltsp are available with Centos > EL5. Does that mean that Centos EL5 incorporates all the k12ltsp > functions??? > Then the next questions are: > -is it possible to upgrade from a FC1 installation to Centos > without a wipe & re-install? > -can existing IPcop setup be used as-is or will new config and port > forwarding be needed? > -will default client setup need to be rebuilt? > > thank you for your help > > Norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun May 4 20:41:40 2008 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 16:41:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New version of K12ltsp?? In-Reply-To: <481E17BD.9030003@cmosnetworks.com> References: <48054F37.1050807@netscape.net> <4805AF9D.9000504@cmosnetworks.com> <481DDC18.2070304@netscape.net> <481E17BD.9030003@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <481E1F84.6030003@netscape.net> Hi Terrell, Thanks for the info, now where do I get k12ltsp EL ? norbert Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > Possible? Maybe. Recommended? Hell, no! You will spend possibly an > order of magnitude more time trying to sort out RPM dependencies and > maybe even just trying to get the system to boot. > > If I were you, I'd just do a fresh install. This is, of course, after > you've backed up any changes your dhcpd.conf (or equivalent on that > version of K12LTSP). If by "CentOS EL" you mean "K12LTSP EL", then > the answer is yes. K12LTSP "EL" releases are essentially the same as > any other K12LTSP release, the difference being that the base is > CentOS, not Fedora. Here's an explanation of the differences. > > > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Which_K12LTSP_should_I_download%3F > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU ? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate > antivirus protection! > > > bear2bar wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I've been out of the loop for some time & this question may seem >> "dumb" but on the k12ltsp site it mentions that FC6 versions & up are >> discontinued and that new version of k12ltsp are available with >> Centos EL5. Does that mean that Centos EL5 incorporates all the >> k12ltsp functions??? >> Then the next questions are: >> -is it possible to upgrade from a FC1 installation to Centos >> without a wipe & re-install? >> -can existing IPcop setup be used as-is or will new config and >> port forwarding be needed? >> -will default client setup need to be rebuilt? >> >> thank you for your help >> >> Norbert >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun May 4 21:01:29 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpIEpyLiI=?=) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 17:01:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Excessive collisions cripple network -- Suggestions for solutions? In-Reply-To: <20080504133257.Q34353@dyyme.pair.com> References: <48194667.6010008@cmosnetworks.com> <20080504133257.Q34353@dyyme.pair.com> Message-ID: <481E2429.6000804@cmosnetworks.com> I guess it depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking for just *one* switch, specifically for a K12LTSP lab, then you can go with pretty much any of the managed switches below. On the other hand, it sounds from your initial email like your site has a "cobbled-together" network infrastructure consisting of CompUSA-grade mini-switch devices. If I were you, I'd be looking at a wholesale upgrade of the wiring closets. That's what we did in my district. We got rid of all the Synoptic LattisHubs and other substandard gear like that and put in some decent gear. We have emphatically not regretted it. Catalyst switches are definitely good stuff, though they are definitely expensive...if you buy them new. If I were you, I'd get on eBay and have a look for the Catalyst 3550, the 48-port version, and make sure you get the two GBICs along with it. They very often can be had for less than US $1,000. I used to recommend Amer.com's SR48G2i (US $995). Unfortunately, not only do they not make that model anymore, but I've also found that the company is somewhat less than trustworthy. They made promises to us that, once they thought they had our money, they demonstrated no willingness to keep. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Tom Wolfe wrote: > Terrell & Julius, thanks for the ideas. The switches I have right now > are Netgear GS748T (v1). They supposedly support STP but the firmware > is also a little flakey. I'll give it a shot. > > I'm also definitely into the idea of springing more $$ for better > switches and moving the Netgears to other less critical locations. The > Cisco Catalyst switches are expensive -- are they worth the money? Any > specific recommendations? Any lower cost solutions that are "just as > good"? > > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > > --- > Tom Wolfe, IT Specialist twolfe at sawback.com > Stoney Education Authority tel: (403) 881-2650 > Box 238, Morley AB, T0L 1N0 fax: (403) 881-2793 > Morley Community School | Chief Jacob Bearspaw School | Ta-otha School > > > On Thu, 1 May 2008, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > >> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Tom Wolfe wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Our Linux labs continue to work great. However, our network has now >>>> become >>>> much bigger, with lots of little satellite switches in our mini labs >>>> (classes that are serviced by a single Cat 5e wire now have 5-15 >>>> K12LTSP >>>> clients via simple switches). >>>> >>>> Every couple of months it seems that accidentally ?someone? plugs both >>>> ends of an ethernet cable into the same switch. This ends up >>>> sending out >>>> collisions like nuts and slows or cripples our network. I then have to >>>> figure out where the problem is and fix it. >>>> >>>> Are there any recommendations out there on how to prevent these >>>> problems >>>> from affecting my whole network, e.g. is there a switch that will shut >>>> down a port if it's generating too many collisions or problems? And >>>> maybe >>>> even email me to alert me of the problem?? >>>> >>>> Suggestions would be appreciated! >>>> >>>> >>> Many optipons, all good options cost money. The simplest if not least >>> expensive is to use switches that support spanning tree protocol, end >>> enable it. There is a small packet delay penalty, but it is usually >>> negligible. All my HP Procurve switches have STP set and have no >>> problem >>> with looped cabling. since this happens in rooms served by a single >>> cat5 >>> wire, local STP is really crucial. If only a big upstream switch has >>> this >>> capability, it will stop all traffic from the affected room. >>> julius >>> >> >> Julius is right. What you're seeing probably isn't massive collisions, >> but rather a broadcast storm, which can happen even when everything's >> Full Duplex (i. e., no collisions). Several models of switch support >> STP: >> >> HP ProCurve >> Cisco Catalyst (all models) >> Amer.com (all managed-switch models) >> Raptor >> Avaya >> >> I've also used some Nortel BayStack 350-24T and 450-24T switches, which >> do this job very nicely as well. They make great LTSP switches, and >> they're relatively inexpensive on eBay. Look for one with a Gig-E >> uplink in it. >> >> To get rid of the delay that Julius mentioned, which can take 30 >> seconds, you should configure all your access ports for "Rapid Spanning >> Tree", or in Cisco parlance, "port-fast" spanning tree. That'll reduce >> that delay from 30 seconds down to 2 seconds. Leave your uplinks on >> "normal" spanning tree. >> >> Additionally, you might want to configure your access ports to do >> rate-limiting for broadcast frames. This is relatively easy on any >> managed switch of decent quality. We do this at my place of work with >> rather good results. >> >> --TP >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun May 4 22:36:05 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 18:36:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New version of K12ltsp?? In-Reply-To: <481E1F84.6030003@netscape.net> References: <48054F37.1050807@netscape.net> <4805AF9D.9000504@cmosnetworks.com> <481DDC18.2070304@netscape.net> <481E17BD.9030003@cmosnetworks.com> <481E1F84.6030003@netscape.net> Message-ID: <481E3A55.8020603@cmosnetworks.com> The download links are on the homepage of http://www.k12ltsp.org, including a .torrent. If you have a Bittorrent client, that's the way that's kindest to the mirrors. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! bear2bar wrote: > Hi Terrell, > > Thanks for the info, now where do I get k12ltsp EL ? > > norbert > > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> Possible? Maybe. Recommended? Hell, no! You will spend possibly >> an order of magnitude more time trying to sort out RPM dependencies >> and maybe even just trying to get the system to boot. >> >> If I were you, I'd just do a fresh install. This is, of course, >> after you've backed up any changes your dhcpd.conf (or equivalent on >> that version of K12LTSP). If by "CentOS EL" you mean "K12LTSP EL", >> then the answer is yes. K12LTSP "EL" releases are essentially the >> same as any other K12LTSP release, the difference being that the base >> is CentOS, not Fedora. Here's an explanation of the differences. >> >> >> http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Which_K12LTSP_should_I_download%3F >> >> >> --TP >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU ? >> Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate >> antivirus protection! >> >> >> bear2bar wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I've been out of the loop for some time & this question may seem >>> "dumb" but on the k12ltsp site it mentions that FC6 versions & up >>> are discontinued and that new version of k12ltsp are available with >>> Centos EL5. Does that mean that Centos EL5 incorporates all the >>> k12ltsp functions??? >>> Then the next questions are: >>> -is it possible to upgrade from a FC1 installation to Centos >>> without a wipe & re-install? >>> -can existing IPcop setup be used as-is or will new config and >>> port forwarding be needed? >>> -will default client setup need to be rebuilt? >>> >>> thank you for your help >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon May 5 04:35:00 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 23:35:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Excessive collisions cripple network -- Suggestions for solutions? In-Reply-To: <481E2429.6000804@cmosnetworks.com> References: <48194667.6010008@cmosnetworks.com> <20080504133257.Q34353@dyyme.pair.com> <481E2429.6000804@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <481E8E74.5030900@futuresource.com> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > I guess it depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking for > just *one* switch, specifically for a K12LTSP lab, then you can go with > pretty much any of the managed switches below. > > On the other hand, it sounds from your initial email like your site has > a "cobbled-together" network infrastructure consisting of CompUSA-grade > mini-switch devices. If I were you, I'd be looking at a wholesale > upgrade of the wiring closets. That's what we did in my district. We > got rid of all the Synoptic LattisHubs and other substandard gear like > that and put in some decent gear. We have emphatically not regretted it. > > Catalyst switches are definitely good stuff, though they are definitely > expensive...if you buy them new. If I were you, I'd get on eBay and > have a look for the Catalyst 3550, the 48-port version, and make sure > you get the two GBICs along with it. They very often can be had for > less than US $1,000. > > I used to recommend Amer.com's SR48G2i (US $995). Unfortunately, not > only do they not make that model anymore, but I've also found that the > company is somewhat less than trustworthy. They made promises to us > that, once they thought they had our money, they demonstrated no > willingness to keep. > Dell sells some moderately-priced managed switches. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Mon May 5 16:58:48 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:58:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] root-path message Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88054651D7@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Sometimes the systems boot just fine and other times they fail and display the following message: Error no 'root-path' received from DHCP Possible causes: 1. dhcpd.conf file doesn't include 'option root-path' entry 2. multiple DHCP servers Client receivd offer from wrong one 1. The option root-path is set in the "dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf" file. I was told to use the "dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf" and not the actual "dhcpd.conf" file. There is a valid IP address in the line. I removed for this email. option root-path "###.###.###.###:/opt/ltsp/i386"; 2. There is another DHCP service running on campus for user's windows XP desktops to receive an IP address. If the boot error is due to contacting the "wrong" dhcp service, then how can it be prevented in an environment where workstations are dhcp as well? In my "dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf" file I have commented out the "range dynamic-bootp" line so that the windows workstations do not get an IP from the LTSP server, which they were until I did comment the "range dynamic-bootp" line. Marc From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon May 5 17:03:53 2008 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 13:03:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Excessive collisions cripple network -- Suggestions=?ISO-8859-1?Q? for_?= solutions In-Reply-To: <481E8E74.5030900@futuresource.com> References: < > <48194667.6010008@cmosnetworks.com> < > <20080504133257.Q34353@dyyme.pair.com> < > <481E2429.6000804@cmosnetworks.com> <481E8E74.5030900@futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >> I used to recommend Amer.com's SR48G2i (US $995). Unfortunately, not >> only do they not make that model anymore, but I've also found that the >> company is somewhat less than trustworthy. They made promises to us >> that, once they thought they had our money, they demonstrated no >> willingness to keep. Can you elaborate a little? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at hvja.org Mon May 5 17:46:15 2008 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 10:46:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Excessive collisions cripple network -- Suggestions=?ISO-8859-1?Q? for_?= solutions In-Reply-To: References: < > <48194667.6010008@cmosnetworks.com> < > <20080504133257.Q34353@dyyme.pair.com> < > <481E2429.6000804@cmosnetworks.com> <481E8E74.5030900@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <481F47E7.2060704@hvja.org> I'm curious as well...I've had nothing but great service from them..(although at times I feel their 'monthly deals' are a little hokey) --Huck David Trask wrote: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >>> I used to recommend Amer.com's SR48G2i (US $995). Unfortunately, not >>> only do they not make that model anymore, but I've also found that the >>> company is somewhat less than trustworthy. They made promises to us >>> that, once they thought they had our money, they demonstrated no >>> willingness to keep. >>> > > Can you elaborate a little? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Mon May 5 19:34:13 2008 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Excessive collisions cripple network -- Suggestions for solutions? Message-ID: <360432.23283.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > ... Every couple of months it seems that > accidentally ?someone? plugs both ends of an > ethernet cable into the same switch. This ends up > sending out collisions ... It's actually a broadcast storm, not a jam. Something like wireshark will show the whole network is saturated with repeats of a "legitimate" packet, and that packet is addressed to broadcast. The "jam" light is not actually on. And the enabling culprit is that "auto-crossover" function on many of the little hubs. It starts with a legitimate broadcast packet going out all the ports. The packet traverses the loop and goes right back into the mini-hub, which understands it because of the auto-crossover. What's the right thing to do when a broadcast packet is received? Send it right back out all the other ports again of course ...repeat as needed. Although there are "proper" solutions involving either high-quality switches or a hierarchical network architecture, either of the low-tech solutions below will work too: low-tech alternative 1) Put an IT-owned switch in each classroom and ban mini-hubs (at least "most" of them). Make sure the IT-owned switches are "stupid" enough to _not_ have the auto-crossover. If you're going to do this, make sure the administration will back up your banning of non-IT-installed minihubs. low-tech alternative 2) Every few weeks walk through the building and "take" all the unnecessary or dangling CAT5 jumper cables. Make it so teachers have to come see you to get a CAT5 cable. If there's no dangling end, a "helpful" kid can't plug it into the hub. Surprisingly, this silly solution works pretty well for us; we have a single network covering over a thousand students and we only have one of these "loop" indicents about once every three years. good luck! -Chuck Kollars ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue May 6 15:12:02 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 11:12:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Excessive collisions cripple network -- Suggestions=?ISO-8859-1?Q? for_?= solutions In-Reply-To: References: < > <48194667.6010008@cmosnetworks.com> < > <20080504133257.Q34353@dyyme.pair.com> < > <481E2429.6000804@cmosnetworks.com> <481E8E74.5030900@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <48207542.4000303@cmosnetworks.com> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >>> I used to recommend Amer.com's SR48G2i (US $995). Unfortunately, not >>> only do they not make that model anymore, but I've also found that the >>> company is somewhat less than trustworthy. They made promises to us >>> that, once they thought they had our money, they demonstrated no >>> willingness to keep. >>> > > Can you elaborate a little? > > I just now PM'd you the elaboration, since it's kinda long. I know you use a lot of their stuff. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twolfe at sawback.com Tue May 6 20:53:56 2008 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Excessive collisions cripple network -- Suggestions for solutions? In-Reply-To: <360432.23283.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <360432.23283.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080506165006.V96291@dyyme.pair.com> Thanks for the tips, insights and suggestions everyone. I'm going to try to as many of these issues as possible, starting with cleaning up the wiring. You're right Chuck, I'm certain that most of this has to do with the rats nests of Cat 5 cables behind the rows of computers leading to the cheap switches. What is an "IT-owned" switch btw? Do you mean a switch that wasn't bought & installed by a teacher, i.e. one that I'm aware of? Regards, Tom Wolfe On Mon, 5 May 2008, Chuck Kollars wrote: >> ... Every couple of months it seems that >> accidentally ?someone? plugs both ends of an >> ethernet cable into the same switch. This ends up >> sending out collisions ... > > It's actually a broadcast storm, not a jam. Something > like wireshark will show the whole network is > saturated with repeats of a "legitimate" packet, and > that packet is addressed to broadcast. The "jam" light > is not actually on. > > And the enabling culprit is that "auto-crossover" > function on many of the little hubs. It starts with a > legitimate broadcast packet going out all the ports. > The packet traverses the loop and goes right back into > the mini-hub, which understands it because of the > auto-crossover. What's the right thing to do when a > broadcast packet is received? Send it right back out > all the other ports again of course ...repeat as > needed. > > Although there are "proper" solutions involving either > high-quality switches or a hierarchical network > architecture, either of the low-tech solutions below > will work too: > > low-tech alternative 1) Put an IT-owned switch in each > classroom and ban mini-hubs (at least "most" of them). > Make sure the IT-owned switches are "stupid" enough to > _not_ have the auto-crossover. If you're going to do > this, make sure the administration will back up your > banning of non-IT-installed minihubs. > > low-tech alternative 2) Every few weeks walk through > the building and "take" all the unnecessary or > dangling CAT5 jumper cables. Make it so teachers have > to come see you to get a CAT5 cable. If there's no > dangling end, a "helpful" kid can't plug it into the > hub. Surprisingly, this silly solution works pretty > well for us; we have a single network covering over a > thousand students and we only have one of these "loop" > indicents about once every three years. > > good luck! > > -Chuck Kollars > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 6 21:01:04 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 14:01:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Excessive collisions cripple network -- Suggestions for solutions? In-Reply-To: <20080506165006.V96291@dyyme.pair.com> References: <360432.23283.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20080506165006.V96291@dyyme.pair.com> Message-ID: <4820C710.3060003@paasda.org> one that wasn't bought at bestbuy/target/circuit city... not a SOHO switch... Tom Wolfe wrote: > Thanks for the tips, insights and suggestions everyone. > > I'm going to try to as many of these issues as possible, starting with > cleaning up the wiring. You're right Chuck, I'm certain that most of > this has to do with the rats nests of Cat 5 cables behind the rows of > computers leading to the cheap switches. > > What is an "IT-owned" switch btw? Do you mean a switch that wasn't > bought & installed by a teacher, i.e. one that I'm aware of? > > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > > > On Mon, 5 May 2008, Chuck Kollars wrote: > >>> ... Every couple of months it seems that >>> accidentally ?someone? plugs both ends of an >>> ethernet cable into the same switch. This ends up >>> sending out collisions ... >> >> It's actually a broadcast storm, not a jam. Something >> like wireshark will show the whole network is >> saturated with repeats of a "legitimate" packet, and >> that packet is addressed to broadcast. The "jam" light >> is not actually on. >> >> And the enabling culprit is that "auto-crossover" >> function on many of the little hubs. It starts with a >> legitimate broadcast packet going out all the ports. >> The packet traverses the loop and goes right back into >> the mini-hub, which understands it because of the >> auto-crossover. What's the right thing to do when a >> broadcast packet is received? Send it right back out >> all the other ports again of course ...repeat as >> needed. >> >> Although there are "proper" solutions involving either >> high-quality switches or a hierarchical network >> architecture, either of the low-tech solutions below >> will work too: >> >> low-tech alternative 1) Put an IT-owned switch in each >> classroom and ban mini-hubs (at least "most" of them). >> Make sure the IT-owned switches are "stupid" enough to >> _not_ have the auto-crossover. If you're going to do >> this, make sure the administration will back up your >> banning of non-IT-installed minihubs. >> >> low-tech alternative 2) Every few weeks walk through >> the building and "take" all the unnecessary or >> dangling CAT5 jumper cables. Make it so teachers have >> to come see you to get a CAT5 cable. If there's no >> dangling end, a "helpful" kid can't plug it into the >> hub. Surprisingly, this silly solution works pretty >> well for us; we have a single network covering over a >> thousand students and we only have one of these "loop" >> indicents about once every three years. >> >> good luck! >> >> -Chuck Kollars >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From phanh at canby.k12.or.us Wed May 7 00:07:02 2008 From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:07:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fatal server error: No screens found In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0112C35D-3EBA-4BDD-A6BC-D71FA436E57C@canby.k12.or.us> Thank you for all the replies so far. It turns out the video card in the new system is Nvidia. When we changed the video driver to Nvidia in the GUI, the X doesn't work on the server and reset to its original default driver (which is ATI.) We choose the VESA driver which display the server GUI correctly but the display issue still exists with the new client. How can we install and include the Nvidia driver in our K12LTSP v6 without causing the conflict with the ATI. Thanks in advance for your reply, On May 2, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Hung Phan wrote: > Hello, folks > > One of our K12LTSP client quit working and we put in a new one with > higher spec: 1.4 GHz, 256MB and Intel NIC card. > We then receive this message: > Module Loader present > [EE]No Devices detected > > Fatal server error: > No screens found > > Xserver failed, press enter to continue > > We think this maybe something related to video but not sure. Anyone > run into this problem? and your solution? > > Thank you very much, > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From limonavila at gmail.com Wed May 7 16:42:05 2008 From: limonavila at gmail.com (Arturo Limon) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 18:42:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] VolGroup00 not found on boot Message-ID: Hello, I am working in a proyect for a linux terminal server for schools in my region (north or Spain) I have just installed K12ltsp 5 (Centos 5), 64 bit version, in a Fujitsu-Siemens Primergy TX150 S6 server, with a LSI sata raid controller. I have had to get the driver for the sata raid controller from Fujitsu, to be able to install the system; installation did not worked without it. I have provided it as a driver floppy in the installation process, started as "linux dd". K12LTSP 5EL seems not to include driver for this raid controller. Previously I had installed a Centos 5.1, and it worked all perfectly Installation has gone OK, but on reboot, the system says 'Volume group "VolGroup00" not found' and after not being able to find any more folders, it ends with a "kernel panic". Maybe installation did not include the driver in the finally installed system? I will greatly appreciate any help about how to solve this problem. Will it work to update the installed system with the Centos 5.1 CDs? Thanks in advance. Arturo. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Thu May 8 15:45:49 2008 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:45:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Impress Handouts References: <481B9E37.3030203@futuresource.com> <481BE6C3.9070705@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: The students are doing a unit involving presentations and wanted to print handouts instead of all the slides. Seemed simple enough except that all it prints is a blank page or two, no matter what user or printer. Any ideas or thoughts as to where I might find a solution to this? I can print normal just fine, it's just the handouts pages. Should I try a different version of OOo or StarOffice? Thanks. Levi -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2718 bytes Desc: not available URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 8 15:52:22 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 10:52:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Impress Handouts In-Reply-To: References: <481B9E37.3030203@futuresource.com> <481BE6C3.9070705@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: <4822DB65.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> The presentations don't happen to have videos in the slides, do they? DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "Newer isn't always better!" >>> "Kemp, Levi" 5/8/2008 10:45 AM >>> The students are doing a unit involving presentations and wanted to print handouts instead of all the slides. Seemed simple enough except that all it prints is a blank page or two, no matter what user or printer. Any ideas or thoughts as to where I might find a solution to this? I can print normal just fine, it's just the handouts pages. Should I try a different version of OOo or StarOffice? Thanks. Levi From tsmith at geneseeschools.org Thu May 8 15:51:25 2008 From: tsmith at geneseeschools.org (Travis Smith) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:51:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Impress Handouts In-Reply-To: References: <481B9E37.3030203@futuresource.com> <481BE6C3.9070705@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: <4822E937.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> >>> "Kemp, Levi" 05-08-08 11:45 AM >>> The students are doing a unit involving presentations and wanted to print handouts instead of all the slides. Seemed simple enough except that all it prints is a blank page or two, no matter what user or printer. Any ideas or thoughts as to where I might find a solution to this? I can print normal just fine, it's just the handouts pages. Should I try a different version of OOo or StarOffice? Thanks Hi Levi, I just opened up a students presentation and printed handouts successful with 2.0 and off a new Ubuntu 8.04 box that I think had 2.4 on it. Maybe its like Doug said and has a video or weird graphic. I went to file - print - options - and selected handouts and printed to an hp 4200 laser printer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 8 16:03:53 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:03:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Impress Handouts In-Reply-To: <4822E937.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> References: <481B9E37.3030203@futuresource.com> <481BE6C3.9070705@tclcommunications.co.nz> <4822E937.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> Message-ID: <4822DE18.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> By the way, if you ever figure out how to print a video, you'll be a rich man! DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "Newer isn't always better!" >>> "Travis Smith" 5/8/2008 10:51 AM >>> >>> "Kemp, Levi" 05-08-08 11:45 AM >>> The students are doing a unit involving presentations and wanted to print handouts instead of all the slides. Seemed simple enough except that all it prints is a blank page or two, no matter what user or printer. Any ideas or thoughts as to where I might find a solution to this? I can print normal just fine, it's just the handouts pages. Should I try a different version of OOo or StarOffice? Thanks Hi Levi, I just opened up a students presentation and printed handouts successful with 2.0 and off a new Ubuntu 8.04 box that I think had 2.4 on it. Maybe its like Doug said and has a video or weird graphic. I went to file - print - options - and selected handouts and printed to an hp 4200 laser printer. From accessys at smart.net Thu May 8 16:08:59 2008 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Impress Handouts In-Reply-To: <4822DE18.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <481B9E37.3030203@futuresource.com> <481BE6C3.9070705@tclcommunications.co.nz> <4822E937.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> <4822DE18.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 May 2008, Doug Simpson wrote: > By the way, if you ever figure out how to print a video, you'll be a rich man! > DS how do you easily capture an image from one of your own videos Bob - end ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu May 8 16:15:43 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:15:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Impress Handouts In-Reply-To: References: <481B9E37.3030203@futuresource.com> <481BE6C3.9070705@tclcommunications.co.nz> <4822E937.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> <4822DE18.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <4822E0DE.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> If you're player supports frame capturing, you can do it that way. . . DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "Newer isn't always better!" >>> "Accessys at smart.net" 5/8/2008 11:08 AM >>> On Thu, 8 May 2008, Doug Simpson wrote: > By the way, if you ever figure out how to print a video, you'll be a rich man! > DS how do you easily capture an image from one of your own videos Bob - end ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 8 16:16:14 2008 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:16:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Impress Handouts In-Reply-To: <4822DE18.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <481B9E37.3030203@futuresource.com> <481BE6C3.9070705@tclcommunications.co.nz> <4822E937.6ADC.000C.3@geneseeschools.org> <4822DE18.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <994441ae0805080916i48ce3f51l97e2057cc818482f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > By the way, if you ever figure out how to print a video, you'll be a rich man! http://photojojo.com/content/buy-this/flipclips-turn-videos-into-flipbooks/ Make your check payable to... ;-) -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Thu May 8 17:35:08 2008 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:35:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Impress Handouts In-Reply-To: <994441ae0805080916i48ce3f51l97e2057cc818482f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Funny, Our Yearbook class used that ;-) And as far as video's in the slides that's a no. Just text boxes, jpegs, and the occasional "wordart". It's odd that only the handouts won't print though. I'll let you know if upgrading to the newest OO.o fixes it. Could it be related to the way they insert the images? I found out today that they like to "drag" or "copy & paste" the images in, as apposed to going to insert image. All the images are in a shared folder provided by the librarian. Levi > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Young > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:16 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Open Office Impress Handouts > > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Doug Simpson > wrote: > > By the way, if you ever figure out how to print a video, > you'll be a rich man! > > http://photojojo.com/content/buy-this/flipclips-turn-videos-in > to-flipbooks/ > > Make your check payable to... ;-) > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhbarr at gozelle.com Thu May 8 18:12:54 2008 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:12:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Impress Handouts In-Reply-To: References: <481B9E37.3030203@futuresource.com> <481BE6C3.9070705@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: 2008/5/8 Kemp, Levi : > The students are doing a unit involving presentations and wanted to print handouts instead of all the slides. Seemed simple enough except that all it prints is a blank page or two, no matter what user or printer. Any ideas or thoughts as to where I might find a solution to this? I can print normal just fine, it's just the handouts pages. Should I try a different version of OOo or StarOffice? Thanks. This may sounds silly, but have you tried exporting to pdf or some other encapsulated format? I know we've had instances where presentation software behaved oddly, and we were able to get the handouts printed by "squashing" to pdf, then reprinting. It's a foolish added step, but on occasion it has gotten the job done. HTH, -dhbarr. From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu May 8 18:13:06 2008 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:13:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Is k12LTSP 5-EL apt-get enabled? Message-ID: <20080508T141306Z_40D100070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> I have this older K12ltsp (fedora based) that is apt-get enabled and i was wondering if the Centos version is? Thanks. Guy Lessard Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais Gatineau, Qu?bec Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Thu May 8 20:11:30 2008 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:11:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Impress Handouts References: <481B9E37.3030203@futuresource.com><481BE6C3.9070705@tclcommunications.co.nz> Message-ID: It was Greyscale, oddly enough. So all they need to do was leave it on default, check handouts, and uncheck drawing. Way too much stress over a tiny thing.... Thanks all! Levi Kemp Technology Specialist Bolivar R-1 Schools 417-328-8943 lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us "The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe, and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location... and I'm not even too sure about that one" --Dennis Hughes, FBI -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of David H. Barr Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 1:12 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Open Office Impress Handouts 2008/5/8 Kemp, Levi : > The students are doing a unit involving presentations and wanted to print handouts instead of all the slides. Seemed simple enough except that all it prints is a blank page or two, no matter what user or printer. Any ideas or thoughts as to where I might find a solution to this? I can print normal just fine, it's just the handouts pages. Should I try a different version of OOo or StarOffice? Thanks. This may sounds silly, but have you tried exporting to pdf or some other encapsulated format? I know we've had instances where presentation software behaved oddly, and we were able to get the handouts printed by "squashing" to pdf, then reprinting. It's a foolish added step, but on occasion it has gotten the job done. HTH, -dhbarr. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3758 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Thu May 8 22:56:41 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:56:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] periodic boot failures Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88054D20CD@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> I submitted this item a week ago, with no relies. Has anyone else experienced the problematic boot-up as described below? Are there any tricks to prevent the failed boot attempts? [Previous Message] Sometimes the systems boot just fine and other times they fail and display the following message: Error no 'root-path' received from DHCP Possible causes: 1. dhcpd.conf file doesn't include 'option root-path' entry 2. multiple DHCP servers Client receivd offer from wrong one 1. The option root-path is set in the "dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf" file. I was told to use the "dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf" and not the actual "dhcpd.conf" file. There is a valid IP address in the line. I removed for this email. option root-path "###.###.###.###:/opt/ltsp/i386"; 2. There is another DHCP service running on campus for user's windows XP desktops to receive an IP address. If the boot error is due to contacting the "wrong" dhcp service, then how can it be prevented in an environment where workstations are dhcp as well? In my "dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf" file I have commented out the "range dynamic-bootp" line so that the windows workstations do not get an IP from the LTSP server, which they were until I did comment the "range dynamic-bootp" line. Thanks, Marc From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri May 9 00:19:25 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 19:19:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] periodic boot failures Message-ID: <1210292365.30574.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Marc, You can run parallel dhcp servers on the same subnet providing they are both Linux dhcp servers. You can NOT run both a Windows and a linux dhcp server on the same subnet( without doing a bunch of VLAN voodoo) which is not really worth the trouble. Here is a nice howto on how to run your K12LTSP server on an alternative port number( 1067 rather than 67) so your thin clients will only see the linux server,and the existing Windows boxes will use the existing windows dhcp server on your campus. You will always get the random,sometimes successful boot of thin clients then the next time the thin client gets confused on the root path of the linux image running windows and linux dhcp servers on the same subnet. I have setup one such setup at one of our Grade Schools this way and has run fine for 5 years. Note :There is some extra legwork in making this all happen as far as setting up the config for each client to see port 1067. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t Take Care, Barry Cisna From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri May 9 04:10:10 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 00:10:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] livecd? Message-ID: <9bd317560805082110w591450cducbcf54254627e4aa@mail.gmail.com> Is there a k12ltsp live cd? Not the just the edu-apps but the ltsp bits. The reason I'm asking is because I want to see if I can boot some white emacs and I'd much rather just show up with a cd than lug an emac to a different school. What's the experience like on these computers...is the video snappy? Thanks, Peter From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri May 9 05:15:19 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpIEpyLiI=?=) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 01:15:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Is k12LTSP 5-EL apt-get enabled? In-Reply-To: <20080508T141306Z_40D100070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> References: <20080508T141306Z_40D100070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Message-ID: <4823DDE7.4090308@cmosnetworks.com> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > I have this older K12ltsp (fedora based) that is apt-get enabled and i > was wondering if the Centos version is? > Thanks. It's yum-enabled, which is essentially the same thing. I don't believe apt-rpm is under active development anymore. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssh at tranquility.net Fri May 9 05:24:53 2008 From: ssh at tranquility.net (ssh at tranquility.net) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 00:24:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] livecd? In-Reply-To: <9bd317560805082110w591450cducbcf54254627e4aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560805082110w591450cducbcf54254627e4aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1210310693.10055.3.camel@bofh.ltsp> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 00:10 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is there a k12ltsp live cd? Some Knoppix variants have livecd terminal server configs, but I don't think K12LTSP does. > The reason I'm asking is because I want to see if I can boot > some white emacs and I'd much rather just show up with a cd I wouldn't know, I am a vi kinduva guy... (sorry, couldn't resist). It's pretty easy to get the server working on a laptop for demo purposes. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri May 9 18:02:48 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 13:02:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] livecd? In-Reply-To: <9bd317560805082110w591450cducbcf54254627e4aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560805082110w591450cducbcf54254627e4aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <482491C8.6030008@scheie.homedns.org> Knoppix provides a network boot server, and while this is good in a pinch (and cool to play with), it won't tell you whether it will work with K12LTSP or not because they don't provide the same set of X servers, NIC drivers, etc. Best thing to do would be to get a laptop. Doesn't have to be fancy: I once scavenged a bunch of laptops from the trash heap, managing to take only the non-broken ones by finding one in good shape, installing K12LTSP on it, and using it to boot/test all the others. I think they were all mostly 700mhz models, since I just wanted to see if they would boot & run. Petre Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is there a k12ltsp live cd? Not the just the edu-apps but the ltsp > bits. The reason I'm asking is because I want to see if I can boot > some white emacs and I'd much rather just show up with a cd than lug > an emac to a different school. What's the experience like on these > computers...is the video snappy? > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri May 9 21:12:53 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 17:12:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] livecd? In-Reply-To: <1210310693.10055.3.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <9bd317560805082110w591450cducbcf54254627e4aa@mail.gmail.com> <1210310693.10055.3.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <4824BE55.6020900@cmosnetworks.com> ssh at tranquility.net wrote: >> The reason I'm asking is because I want to see if I can boot >> some white emacs and I'd much rather just show up with a cd >> > > I wouldn't know, I am a vi kinduva guy... (sorry, couldn't resist). > That crack really was just plain venom incarnate. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri May 9 21:23:03 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 16:23:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] livecd? Message-ID: <1210368183.8967.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Peter, Even the actual k12ltsp distro will not get video correctly on Emacs, so You are pretty much SOL with the Emacs. K12ltsp will boot Imacs fine.( the kiddy colored all in one boxes). take Care, Barry Cisna From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri May 9 23:28:16 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 19:28:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] livecd? In-Reply-To: <1210368183.8967.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1210368183.8967.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9bd317560805091628t1c94084dq9f7d6acd175e3ee4@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Barry....good to know. > I wouldn't know, I am a vi kinduva guy... (sorry, couldn't resist). budump chshh! "Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all night...try the fish." :) P On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Even the actual k12ltsp distro will not get video correctly on Emacs, so > You are pretty much SOL with the Emacs. K12ltsp will boot Imacs > fine.( the kiddy colored all in one boxes). > > take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun May 11 00:59:19 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 19:59:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP usefullness in your school Message-ID: <1210467559.28660.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello List, I pose this question about once a year to all the K12LTSP'ers on the list here. I'd like to know,especially the newer people on the list here,how your admins think, when you mention,about the K12ltsp setup in a school setting. I have posted all my trials and tribulations many times before. I always wonder what the admins think when you mention the distro is free. This seems to be the biggest downfall I have found.Seems odd doesn't it?,,,hhmm.I was told many moons ago by an older gentleman that is a long time Linux guru that the United States would be the last country to "flip" to Linux ,because the US is such a commercialized country. I can see now he is correct:) For example what does the teachers say when you have mentioned to them about k12ltsp for the first time,etc. Any comments to share? Take Care, Barry Cisna From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Sun May 11 15:01:57 2008 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 15:01:57 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP usefullness in your school In-Reply-To: <1210467559.28660.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1210467559.28660.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I'm a computer teacher at my school. This is the first year that I have used K12LTSP. Last year, the reaction in my school was a little surprising to me. I thought free was the best F-word a school would want to hear, but it wasn't. I run both Linux and Windows in my lab. The technician gently mentioned that they have tried thin clients before in the Business lab and they took it down. It was a Windows set up. I didn't really think she was discouraging me. When I bought the server and was ready to go, she informed me that she was not going to support my lab, if I changed the setup on the clients. Even if a monitor breaks. I ended up doing a floppy boot and had to figure out how to connect to the IPX network on my own. She still supports my lab and is pretty impressed by Linux. If the board would train the technicians she told me that she would love to be trained. (She said that when I first started.) The school board also had its reservations. I was asked to reconsider my idea. The board doesn't like to have subnetworks set up all over the place. They weren't evil about it. They weren't super helpful either. Maybe because they didn't really have the background to help me or they didn't think it was a very good idea. However, they let me do it and they answered my questions the best they could. I appreciated the help that they gave me. The business ed. teacher was a little discouraged, but eventually she liked the idea because it meant more money could go into her lab. That's another issue, that I seem to have problems with. Where the money goes. I've been working hard on my own to get the lab set up, and I'm worried that because of the low costs for my lab, it will be harder to ask for money when I really need it. I've seen it happen with another collegue at a different school. My prinicpal was actually pretty supportive. I was lucky that she had some technical background. She was a principal at a school that was the first one in our district to set up a thin client. So she was familiar with the idea. When September came around, I was a little worried that the students would complain about the change. I was pleasantly surprised that they didn't. Quite a few of them really liked it. They did complain if something was lagging or they couldn't connect to the Internet. They do that in Windows too. Personally on the most part I really like it. I love fl_teachertool and use it a lot in my class. The students like it too, especially the ones in the back who have trouble seeing the board. I have noticed some glitches that I can't seem to figure out, like why the gnome-power-manager keeps needing to restart. If I had some proper Linux training I could figure it out, but for now it will remain a "Restart button" pushing experience. It is a lot to learn. If I didn't have a couple of (awesome) friends in the city to give me Linux support and you guys I would have stopped using it a while ago. I agree with the older gentleman. It seems that the general credibility placed on software in North America is directly proportional to the cost, rather than its value. I believe that in schools, some of it might be a concern for support. They want reliable, effective and quick support. That costs money. Wow, this ended up being a long reply. Thanks for reading it. I hope that answered your inquiry. > From: brcisna at eazylivin.net> To: k12osn at redhat.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 19:59:19 -0500> Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP usefullness in your school> > Hello List,> > I pose this question about once a year to all the K12LTSP'ers on the> list here. I'd like to know,especially the newer people on the list> here,how your admins think, when you mention,about the K12ltsp setup in> a school setting. I have posted all my trials and tribulations many> times before. I always wonder what the admins think when you mention the> distro is free. This seems to be the biggest downfall I have found.Seems> odd doesn't it?,,,hhmm.I was told many moons ago by an older gentleman> that is a long time Linux guru that the United States would be the last> country to "flip" to Linux ,because the US is such a commercialized> country. I can see now he is correct:)> For example what does the teachers say when you have mentioned to them> about k12ltsp for the first time,etc. > Any comments to share?> > Take Care,> > Barry Cisna> > _______________________________________________> K12OSN mailing list> K12OSN at redhat.com> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn> For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Turn every day into $1000. Learn more at SignInAndWIN.ca http://g.msn.ca/ca55/213 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 12 00:53:03 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 20:53:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP usefullness in your school In-Reply-To: <1210467559.28660.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1210467559.28660.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <482794EF.50108@cmosnetworks.com> OK, I'll take a stab at this. :-) My district is fully, totally, committed to being a Microsoft shop. On the desktop, they don't want to hear anything about Linux, don't want to talk about it, don't want to see it. This is from top to bottom. The excuse about training and support always comes up, usually from scared MCSE's. The conversation goes roughly like this: Them: "Hey, is that Vista you're running on that laptop?" Me: "Nope, it's Ubuntu Linux." Them: "Oh...yeah, Linux sounds cool 'n' all, but who's gonna support it? Me: "The same people who are supporting the Windows desktops today." Them: "OK, who's gonna pay for the training?" Me: "Same folks who pay for their Windows training now." Them: just turn and walk away in total dismissal. Now, note that I didn't initiate this conversation. They, the desktop Windows support staff (or their bosses), did upon seeing my laptop. They consider me the "Linux fanatic," and we have a good laugh about it. However, anything like K12LTSP is completely, absolutely, out of the question. On the server side, things are somewhat different. In 2005, the Powers That Be began to grudgingly tolerate RHEL in the data center, and it's use has slowly increased over time due to certain server apps that we run. Some of our Oracle databases , for example, increasingly run on RHEL. Our network monitoring systems and syslog/NetFlow boxes run on RHEL and CentOS. Same with the app we use to manage our thousands of Wireless Access Points; that runs on top of CentOS. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twolfe at sawback.com Mon May 12 01:40:50 2008 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 21:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP usefullness in your school In-Reply-To: <1210467559.28660.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1210467559.28660.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080511212359.R66705@dyyme.pair.com> Hi Barry and others, Students -- don't care at all whether it's Linux or Windows 98 or Vista or Mac so long as they can get on youtube and bebo ;) but they do like that we suddenly have lots of computers to go around. Teachers -- love having these minilabs in their classrooms, and love how easy they are to use. On the topic of teachers: This winter I was away, as I often am in the winter, for a couple of weeks and an electrical contractor working on an addition accidentally piped 220 VAC into three classrooms. Literally there were flames and smoke coming out of 20 P3 IBM Netvistas. Fortunately I had a stack of "spares" in our storage room, and the teachers, remembering my exhortations of "hey if it ever craps out just throw it in a pile and grab new one" took me at my word, and when I returned a week later it was like nothing had happened... Except that I had 20 destroyed workstations lying in a pile. All the labs were operational. Wow. How much did this cost the school? Well... how much was the labour cost of these teachers grabbing a new one and plugging it in? If they had been shiny new Optiplexes running Vista, the cost would have been massive, to say nothing of the down time until I replaced them. Nothing I hate more than re-imaging hard disks since I discovered K12LTSP School admin -- They love stories like the one above, and the fact that they have 150 new computers with a shoestring budget. BUT... sadly they have been using their surplus cash to buy that $cholastic Read180 stuff, and we all know what Scholastic thinks of Linux... talk about opposite paradigms. Myself -- I do wish that it were easier to run windows applications on K12LTSP. Although it's sharing beds with the devil it would sure make it easier for me and other schools to phase out the Windows machines completely. In a few years time I'm quite sure that the presence of Linux machines in schools would become massive enough to start drawing the attention of software vendors like even Scholastic, and running Windows apps would eventually become a thing of the past. But this is a relatively minor point for me, if K12LTSP want to keep morally pure that's fine with me. Regards, Tom Wolfe --- Tom Wolfe, IT Specialist twolfe at sawback.com Stoney Education Authority tel: (403) 881-2650 Box 238, Morley AB, T0L 1N0 fax: (403) 881-2793 Morley Community School | Chief Jacob Bearspaw School | Ta-otha School On Sat, 10 May 2008, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > I pose this question about once a year to all the K12LTSP'ers on the > list here. I'd like to know,especially the newer people on the list > here,how your admins think, when you mention,about the K12ltsp setup in > a school setting. I have posted all my trials and tribulations many > times before. I always wonder what the admins think when you mention the > distro is free. This seems to be the biggest downfall I have found.Seems > odd doesn't it?,,,hhmm.I was told many moons ago by an older gentleman > that is a long time Linux guru that the United States would be the last > country to "flip" to Linux ,because the US is such a commercialized > country. I can see now he is correct:) > For example what does the teachers say when you have mentioned to them > about k12ltsp for the first time,etc. > Any comments to share? > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Mon May 12 11:29:00 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 07:29:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP usefullness in your school In-Reply-To: References: <1210467559.28660.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <482829FC.7050904@biochemfluidics.com> jones yeates wrote: > The business ed. teacher was a little discouraged, but eventually she > liked the idea because it meant more money could go into her lab. > That's another issue, that I seem to have problems with. Where the > money goes. I've been working hard on my own to get the lab set up, and > I'm worried that because of the low costs for my lab, it will be harder > to ask for money when I really need it. I've seen it happen with > another collegue at a different school. My experience, which is more with businesses than schools, is that people love to see new hardware. Go buy some new LCD monitors and thin clients. For some reason, saving $2000 while spending $2000 is often appreciated more than saving $2000 and not having so spend anything. I also find that people are much more impressed with real thin client hardware (especially if it mounts to the back of an LCD monitor) than they are with old PC's used as thin clients. They can't believe "that the computer is so small". An old PC is just another old PC, and they aren't that impressed that you made it run as fast as a new PC. So I say go spend your budget on a vendor who supports LTSP, such as disklessworkstations.com or thesymbiont.com (there are probably others--ask around). -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Wed May 14 15:13:05 2008 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:13:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Cell phones Message-ID: <482ABB31.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> I apologize for not being Linux related, but I was wondering how other schools are handling cell phone use by students? Our current policy is they are not to use them in school at all, however, they can text message in their pockets without teachers knowing. We are starting to experience bullying via text messages. What are you guys/gals doing to combat this issue? Thanks Daniel From ericbrow at gmail.com Wed May 14 15:31:20 2008 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:31:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Cell phones In-Reply-To: <482ABB31.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <482ABB31.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: I recently had a heated discussion with another teacher on this issue. I have always practiced modeling the proper behavior with cell phone usage, and I do not get the problems that my co-workers talk about. I show the kids at the beginning of each semester how my phone is turned off, and put away in my coat or computer bag because IMHO my purpose for being there is to teach, and not to wait for cell phone calls. If there is a call important enough, anyone who knows me knows to call the high school, and they will be put through to my room if it's truly important. With this attitude, I rarely have to ask anyone to put their phone away. If I do, it's usually only once. Occasionally there will be the one hold-out who thinks they just HAVE to use their phone 24/7. They eventually have theirs taken away by another teacher before they get to me. Many of my co-workers have the attitude that they are the adult, and they are allowed to do things that students are not, including having and using a cell phone during class. They wear it proudly on their belt, and take any phone call during class. They are the ones that seem to have the most problems with student cell phone usage. They are also the ones who get the angriest when I point out how modeling proper behavior gets me more desirable results. I think their reasoning fails because there is no law prohibiting cell phone usage by age, similar to that of alcohol or cigarettes. I have heard and read of many districts who ban them completely. Usually though, these bans are struck down. Lawyers for the students usually point out safety concerns in incidents like Columbine. I have also considered purchasing a cell phone jamming box. I've never wasted the money, but I often wish I had. The high school office is directly above me, and everyone up there is always using their phones. I think it would be funny if they suddenly couldn't. It would be even funnier to set it on a timer to turn off just during the school day. "How come I have signal again?". To address your district's policy, good luck. I don't know of any district that was always able to ban anything completely with success. Particularly those items that are acceptable to use outside of school, like rubber bands, toys, comic books, and cell phones. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > I apologize for not being Linux related, but I was wondering how other schools are handling cell phone use by students? Our current policy is they are not to use them in school at all, however, they can text message in their pockets without teachers knowing. We are starting to experience bullying via text messages. What are you guys/gals doing to combat this issue? > > Thanks > Daniel > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bill at funnymonkey.com Wed May 14 15:37:14 2008 From: bill at funnymonkey.com (Bill Fitzgerald) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:37:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Cell phones In-Reply-To: <482ABB31.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <482ABB31.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <482B072A.6090909@funnymonkey.com> RE: bullying and forbidding cell phones: In a school where cell phone use is forbidden during the school day, you create an additional barrier to students who are being bullied from getting support -- If a student has received an inappropriate text message during the school day, the first thing they need to do to get support is admit that they were doing something "against the rules" -- in this case, using their cell phone. And for many students (and especially for students who are very concrete/see the world in black and white terms) this is an enormous barrier. By removing a blanket ban on cell phones, you remove this barrier. Consequently, you also place cell phone use on the table as an open subject -- it's less of a technology issue, and more of a classroom management issue, just like passing notes or talking during class. My .02 Cheers, Bill Daniel Kuecker wrote: > I apologize for not being Linux related, but I was wondering how other schools are handling cell phone use by students? Our current policy is they are not to use them in school at all, however, they can text message in their pockets without teachers knowing. We are starting to experience bullying via text messages. What are you guys/gals doing to combat this issue? > > Thanks > Daniel > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From accessys at smart.net Wed May 14 15:41:25 2008 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Cell phones In-Reply-To: <482B072A.6090909@funnymonkey.com> References: <482ABB31.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <482B072A.6090909@funnymonkey.com> Message-ID: maybe every desk needs a "cell phone" holster into which everyone puts their phone during class....maybe it hangs on the side of the desk. of course then you have a gazillion forgotten phones to deal with. Bob On Wed, 14 May 2008, Bill Fitzgerald wrote: > RE: bullying and forbidding cell phones: > > In a school where cell phone use is forbidden during the school day, you > create an additional barrier to students who are being bullied from > getting support -- > > If a student has received an inappropriate text message during the > school day, the first thing they need to do to get support is admit that > they were doing something "against the rules" -- in this case, using > their cell phone. And for many students (and especially for students who > are very concrete/see the world in black and white terms) this is an > enormous barrier. By removing a blanket ban on cell phones, you remove > this barrier. Consequently, you also place cell phone use on the table > as an open subject -- it's less of a technology issue, and more of a > classroom management issue, just like passing notes or talking during class. > > My .02 > > Cheers, > > Bill > > Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > I apologize for not being Linux related, but I was wondering how other schools are handling cell phone use by students? Our current policy is they are not to use them in school at all, however, they can text message in their pockets without teachers knowing. We are starting to experience bullying via text messages. What are you guys/gals doing to combat this issue? > > > > Thanks > > Daniel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > - end ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed May 14 16:02:10 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:02:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Cell phones In-Reply-To: <482ABB31.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> References: <482ABB31.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <482B0D02.7040308@paasda.org> Use in the halls okay, but NOT in the classrooms... that's our policy...but we're a smaller 250 student parochial high school...and the bullying issue is much larger than 'text messaging'...if the dude/ette has your cell #...well go change it and don't give it out to every tom, dick and sally? 2 cents worth. Daniel Kuecker wrote: > I apologize for not being Linux related, but I was wondering how other schools are handling cell phone use by students? Our current policy is they are not to use them in school at all, however, they can text message in their pockets without teachers knowing. We are starting to experience bullying via text messages. What are you guys/gals doing to combat this issue? > > Thanks > Daniel > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Wed May 14 21:28:55 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:28:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] edit client logon window Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88055B36F2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> In a previous setup of K12ltsp (k12ltsp FC6) I could edit the logon window welcome message with this file /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and changing the entry RemoteWelcome=. My new setup (k12ltsp CentOS) does not seem to use the gdm.conf. I grepped the server for the line "Welcome to" but it found no file to edit to change the client login screen. What file can I edit to alter the client login window? thanks Marc From nils at breun.nl Wed May 14 23:09:10 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 01:09:10 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] edit client logon window In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88055B36F2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88055B36F2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: Marc Fromm wrote: > In a previous setup of K12ltsp (k12ltsp FC6) I could edit the logon > window welcome message with this file /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and > changing > the entry RemoteWelcome=. My new setup (k12ltsp CentOS) does not > seem to > use the gdm.conf. I grepped the server for the line "Welcome to" but > it > found no file to edit to change the client login screen. > > What file can I edit to alter the client login window? I used gdmsetup (also available via the Gnome menu, but I forget the exact menu and menu item, probably under System -> Administration somewhere) to change the logon screen to the CentOS 5 default logon window. I think you can also change that text using gdmsetup. The remote logon window is what is shown to the clients. Nils Breunese. From steven at simplycircus.com Thu May 15 02:57:17 2008 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:57:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Cell phones In-Reply-To: <482ABB31.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: Thankfully, kids don't usually want to have a cell phone when hanging from the ceiling by their ankles, so this isn't much of an issue for us. I have seen a large number of cell policies, and while I don't have the exact wording, the one I like best essentially says that students can have cell phones, but they must be turned off during school (powered on phones are confiscated on site, and must be picked up by the parents), but may be used once outside the building. Students with current emergencies (parent in the hospital, father from Iraq calling, etc) can get a "cell phone day pass" from the school office. The student turns the phone and pass over to the classroom teacher (pass and phone go with the student from class to class). The teacher then answers the phone when it rings, and then sends the student into the hall to take the call. HTH _____ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Daniel Kuecker > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:13 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Cell phones > > > I apologize for not being Linux related, but I was wondering how > other schools are handling cell phone use by students? Our > current policy is they are not to use them in school at all, > however, they can text message in their pockets without teachers > knowing. We are starting to experience bullying via text > messages. What are you guys/gals doing to combat this issue? > > Thanks > Daniel > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From aimssda at cscoms.com Thu May 15 08:55:22 2008 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (edwardson) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:55:22 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Adobe Visual Communicator Alternative? anyone knows In-Reply-To: <20080514160040.CFF8B61A1B1@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080514160040.CFF8B61A1B1@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <482BFA7A.20308@cscoms.com> Hi, I'm looking for a linux (open source) alternative to Adobe's Visual Communicator. If you happen to know one, please reply,. Regards, Edward TH From nils at breun.nl Thu May 15 09:36:05 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:36:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Adobe Visual Communicator Alternative? anyone knows In-Reply-To: <482BFA7A.20308@cscoms.com> References: <20080514160040.CFF8B61A1B1@hormel.redhat.com> <482BFA7A.20308@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <1E723418-633C-4557-8666-7B279A84B6FF@breun.nl> edwardson wrote: > I'm looking for a linux (open source) alternative to Adobe's Visual > Communicator. If you happen to know one, please reply,. Maybe an online service like Mogulus or Operator11 would work for you? Nils Breunese. From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Thu May 15 11:06:49 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:06:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] edit client logon window In-Reply-To: References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88055B36F2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <482C1949.8020702@biochemfluidics.com> On my K12LTSP 5EL system, there's a file called /etc/gdm/custom.conf -- check that out. I think I remember hearing that there were some problems with GDM on this system. For instance, XDMCP chooser does not work. Maybe it's been fixed by now. Just keep this in mind in case the same bugs affect what you're trying to do. -Rob Nils Breunese wrote: > Marc Fromm wrote: > >> In a previous setup of K12ltsp (k12ltsp FC6) I could edit the logon >> window welcome message with this file /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and changing >> the entry RemoteWelcome=. My new setup (k12ltsp CentOS) does not seem to >> use the gdm.conf. I grepped the server for the line "Welcome to" but it >> found no file to edit to change the client login screen. >> >> What file can I edit to alter the client login window? > > I used gdmsetup (also available via the Gnome menu, but I forget the > exact menu and menu item, probably under System -> Administration > somewhere) to change the logon screen to the CentOS 5 default logon > window. I think you can also change that text using gdmsetup. The remote > logon window is what is shown to the clients. > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Although MS Windows is required for some of our software we settled on a K12LTSP installation. Ease of use, low maintenance and the ability to run on far less expensive hardware helped make the choice an easy one. We bought a fairly decent Vision server and three $199.00 Linpsire clients online. In the beginning we ran our MS Windows dependent software under VMWare, although it had memory limitations. We eventually added a Windows 2003 server with enough CALs that we could run our software using Terminal Services. Although most software runs fine with Terminal Services it's hard to get technical support for the configuration from software vendors. Most vendors expect to have software installed locally or in a Client Server environment and the (Windows) TS configuration doesn't "compute". Except for my OS upgrades or the occasional power outage we have no downtime. K12LTSP is solid. >I have posted all my trials and tribulations many > times before. I always wonder what the admins think when you mention the > distro is free. This seems to be the biggest downfall I have found.Seems > odd doesn't it?,,,hhmm.I was told many moons ago by an older gentleman > that is a long time Linux guru that the United States would be the last > country to "flip" to Linux ,because the US is such a commercialized > country. I can see now he is correct:) > For example what does the teachers say when you have mentioned to them > about k12ltsp for the first time,etc. > Any comments to share? > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu May 15 16:04:12 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:04:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Big Brother Message-ID: <9bd317560805150904m47f0440fpa91e64b1c8d6abf@mail.gmail.com> Is anybody doing filtering that logs blocked pages with user info? I'm finding some schools have an interest in this but I don't know what "just works". Personally I would think that an identd type of setup that passes UID to a filter would be more acceptable than a user login at browser launch. Any recommendations? Thanks, Peter From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 15 16:21:11 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:21:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Big Brother In-Reply-To: <9bd317560805150904m47f0440fpa91e64b1c8d6abf@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560805150904m47f0440fpa91e64b1c8d6abf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <482C62F7.8030008@paasda.org> dansguardian with 'ident' running? Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is anybody doing filtering that logs blocked pages with user info? > I'm finding some schools have an interest in this but I don't know > what "just works". Personally I would think that an identd type of > setup that passes UID to a filter would be more acceptable than a user > login at browser launch. Any recommendations? > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From rowens at ptd.net Thu May 15 23:16:20 2008 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:16:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Big Brother In-Reply-To: <9bd317560805150904m47f0440fpa91e64b1c8d6abf@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560805150904m47f0440fpa91e64b1c8d6abf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080515231620.GA26792@junker.owens.net> If I recall, Censornet can do this. -Rob On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:04:12PM -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is anybody doing filtering that logs blocked pages with user info? > I'm finding some schools have an interest in this but I don't know > what "just works". Personally I would think that an identd type of > setup that passes UID to a filter would be more acceptable than a user > login at browser launch. Any recommendations? > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From willems.leo at googlemail.com Fri May 16 00:26:48 2008 From: willems.leo at googlemail.com (Leo Willems) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:26:48 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - make install - Linux kernel source not Message-ID: <3fabbdc20805151726t19329b20m6aa31cb09bb3d4b4@mail.gmail.com> Dear Terrell, thanks for the advice! I installed K12LTSP 5.0EL. Some how the kernel source is installed by default, because I haven't seen any distinctive selection during the setup. Compiling the drivers for a Attansic L2 works fine. I added a 2nd network card to the server, a 3com 3C905B-TX. K12LTSP 5.0EL didn't recognize this card by default. I downloaded and compile the driver. still not recognized. About to change the network card, I first changed the PCI slot on the board. And the network card is recognized. Does a driver for the 3com 3C905B-TX come in the K12LTSP 5.0EL distribution or is the downloaded / compiled driver working now? Both NICs are working fine. One for the Internet access, one for the thin client net. Everything automatic setup by default. Nice! Thanks! Leo Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:12:19 -0400 From: "Terrell Prud? Jr." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - make install - Linux kernel source not found To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: <4808E483.4000607 at cmosnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Leo, The K12LTSP is indeed a great system for computer labs. It also works very well in a business situation. You made a good choice. One thing before we get started: you should plan ASAP to "upgrade" to K12LTSP 5.0EL, as Fedora Core 6 (the basis of K12LTSP 6.0.0) hasn't received security updates since December 2007. You are thus vulnerable to getting hacked. CentOS 5, the basis of K12LTSP 5.0EL, on the other hand, will be supported to the year 2014. Turns out that CentOS 5 looks and acts virtually identical to Fedora Core 6, so your users won't experience user-interface disruption. There are two ways to install what you're after. There's the command line way, and there's the GUI way. To install the kernel source on my system (K12LTSP 4.2EL) from the command line, I did this, as root: yum install kernel-devel which should also install the header files. The GUI way is to fire up the "Add/Remove Programs" application and install the "kernel-devel" package. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Leo Willems wrote: > Dear all, > > thank you all for the K12LTSP distribution and keeping up the > community with this mailing list. > > I use the K12LTSP(6.0.0) in server / thin-client setups for computer > labs in children homes in South East Asia. > I really appreciate the automatic detection of most of the hardware > devices (video, audio, network) during the several installations. > ... > > Currently I like to compile drivers for a Attansic L2 Fast Ethernet > (onboard), the network card was not detected during the installation. > > I did this: > > tar zxf L2-linux-driver.tar.gz > cd L2-linux-driver/rc/ > make install > > Error message: Linux kernel source not found. Stop. > > Questions: > 1. How to make sure the Linux kernel source are available? > 2. How to add the Linux kernel source on a running K12LSTP server? > > Thank you! > Leo > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From willems.leo at googlemail.com Fri May 16 01:35:44 2008 From: willems.leo at googlemail.com (Leo Willems) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:35:44 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0EL: Etherboot - fatal server error no screens found Message-ID: <3fabbdc20805151835w4450c399n9f88db2ee35b6c0c@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, with a K12LTSP 5.0EL server and a thin client with Etherboot the NIC is recognized and the thin client basically boots from the server. The boot sequence stops with: Fatal server error - no screens found. On the server the video card is on board a Intel 82945G/GZ and in the thin client a Nvidia Riva TNT2 Mode 64 Pro. 1. Does this error indicate a problem with the video card driver for the thin client? 2. Is the error independent from the video card and a general setting problem? Thanks Leo From jodgipost at gmail.com Fri May 16 11:54:12 2008 From: jodgipost at gmail.com (Dagfinn Stangeland) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:54:12 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 9 LTSP install guide, walkthrough, manual... Message-ID: <645415b20805160454v4ffbc949w31de63b79eb8ebc6@mail.gmail.com> I'm struggling with setting up a Fedora LTSP server. Does anyone know of a final F9 resource for installation and setup of LTSP? What i find floating around seems to written a while ago and seems to be meant for beta and testing versions of Fedora and LTSP. -- Dagfinn Stangeland Theodor Dahlsvei 13 4319 Sandnes Norway +47 90795008 jodgipost at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From nils at breun.nl Fri May 16 12:05:31 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:05:31 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 9 LTSP install guide, walkthrough, manual... In-Reply-To: References: <645415b20805160454v4ffbc949w31de63b79eb8ebc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83321F87-C914-4C1A-8CF8-CC92A6E8DE3A@breun.nl> Nils Breunese wrote: > Dagfinn Stangeland wrote: > >> I'm struggling with setting up a Fedora LTSP server. >> Does anyone know of a final F9 resource for installation and setup >> of LTSP? >> What i find floating around seems to written a while ago and seems >> to be meant for beta and testing versions of Fedora and LTSP. > > You might want to try https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/ for LTSP > installation instructions on Fedora. If you're looking for a ready > to go K12LTSP setup I suggest taking a look at the CentOS 5 based > K12LTSP 5EL: http://k12ltsp.org/ For info on LTSP on Fedora you also might want to follow Warren Togami's LiveJournal: http://wtogami.livejournal.com/ Nils Breunese. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri May 16 14:08:57 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:08:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Big Brother Message-ID: <40009.216.24.126.66.1210946937.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Peter, This is very easy to do do with what is on your K12LTSP Cd's. Simply install Squid, dansguardian. You will also need to download identd( for Winders clients)and install this manually on each of the Winders clients on your lan( some leg work involved),and oident rpm from fedora/EL extras to install onto your K12lTSP server for thin clients reporting. After you get this done you'll have a very nice web filtering system that will report 'userxyz' if the content filter receives a denied page in an easy to read dansguardian report. I have tried squidguard as well along with squid but dansguardian seems to have a few enhancements over squidguard. Take Care, Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri May 16 14:30:11 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:30:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0EL: Etherboot - fatal server error no screens found Message-ID: <46855.216.24.126.66.1210948211.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Leo, If this client you are trying has onboard video,to make your life easier disable it in bios (or pull out the existing) and find an old machine laying around with a pci video card,and slap the video card in the client you are trying out. Almost any pci video card will work "out of the box"with K12LTSP. You really don't need all the high video cards in a thin client scenario anyways. Take Care, Barry Cisna From willems.leo at googlemail.com Fri May 16 15:36:27 2008 From: willems.leo at googlemail.com (Leo Willems) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 00:36:27 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0EL: How to install 147 update packages (solution) Message-ID: <3fabbdc20805160836g1a154974nc4d68abbaf216dea@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, after a recent fresh installation of K12LTSP 5.0EL the system had 147 update packages to install. First I try to let them all update at once. But even overnight the updater hangs. Then I chosse on a random base some packages to install. The updater run into a Update install error [('file /usr/sbin/sysreport conflicts between attempted installs of sos-1.7-9.2.el5 and sysreport-1.4.3-13.el5', (6, '/usr/sbin/sysreport', 0L)), ('file /usr/share/sysreport/functions conflicts between attempted installs of sos-1.7-9.2.el5 and sysreport-1.4.3-13.el5', (6, '/usr/share/sysreport/functions', 0L))] Solution: 'divide and conquer' 1. I selected the packages in smaller ranges, selected by the first letter of the package, e.g. all packages from 'a to b'. 2. All packages could be installed error free till 'q'. 3. The error occurs inthe range 'r to s' 4. I selected the rest in steps 't to y', ... 'sa to st' ... 'systemtap' 5. Finally all 147 packages could be installed with out error. Thanks Leo From steve.smith at ntschools.net Fri May 16 22:47:14 2008 From: steve.smith at ntschools.net (steve smith) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 08:17:14 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 9 LTSP install guide, walkthrough, manual... Message-ID: <4B3F7121BDFC90419FD2020E952CE8A2B4639DE2EE@DRWNT-EV1A.ntschools.net> Hi haven't used fc9 as yet, but have been working on a ltsp installation guide on fc8, fc7, from bare system to ltsp server complete with sound and local storage working, authentication to ads and auto-mounting of domain shares Documentation is rough as guts, but would send if you liked. Please note that this applies only to ltsp 4.2, haven't played with ltsp 5 (am kinda hoping it will be integrated into fc9 out of the box later this year) Background of the documentation is installation within a school environment of ltsp server and utilisation of clients in comp. rooms for middle school classes. (Northern Territory Australia)We have found a few issues with scratch installation, and have been forced to use kde because of random errors with gnome on log-on. Can send details if people like, and of server, but suffice to say that we can run 45 concurrent users on our little set-up with no issues until multi-media files are opened, then we simply run out of memory. Not a fault of ltsp, a fault of overextending the system. ________________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of k12osn-request at redhat.com [k12osn-request at redhat.com] Sent: Saturday, 17 May 2008 1:30 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: K12OSN Digest, Vol 51, Issue 15 Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to k12osn at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to k12osn-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at k12osn-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. OT: Big Brother (Peter Hartmann) 2. Re: OT: Big Brother (Huck) 3. Re: OT: Big Brother (Rob Owens) 4. Re: K12LTSP - make install - Linux kernel source not (Leo Willems) 5. K12LTSP 5.0EL: Etherboot - fatal server error no screens found (Leo Willems) 6. Fedora 9 LTSP install guide, walkthrough, manual... (Dagfinn Stangeland) 7. Re: Fedora 9 LTSP install guide, walkthrough, manual... (Nils Breunese) 8. Re: Fedora 9 LTSP install guide, walkthrough, manual... (Nils Breunese) 9. OT: Big Brother (Barry R Cisna) 10. K12LTSP 5.0EL: Etherboot - fatal server error no screens found (Barry R Cisna) 11. K12LTSP 5.0EL: How to install 147 update packages (solution) (Leo Willems) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:04:12 -0400 From: "Peter Hartmann" Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Big Brother To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: <9bd317560805150904m47f0440fpa91e64b1c8d6abf at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is anybody doing filtering that logs blocked pages with user info? I'm finding some schools have an interest in this but I don't know what "just works". Personally I would think that an identd type of setup that passes UID to a filter would be more acceptable than a user login at browser launch. Any recommendations? Thanks, Peter ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:21:11 -0700 From: Huck Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Big Brother To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: <482C62F7.8030008 at paasda.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed dansguardian with 'ident' running? Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is anybody doing filtering that logs blocked pages with user info? > I'm finding some schools have an interest in this but I don't know > what "just works". Personally I would think that an identd type of > setup that passes UID to a filter would be more acceptable than a user > login at browser launch. Any recommendations? > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:16:20 -0400 From: Rob Owens Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Big Brother To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: <20080515231620.GA26792 at junker.owens.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If I recall, Censornet can do this. -Rob On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:04:12PM -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is anybody doing filtering that logs blocked pages with user info? > I'm finding some schools have an interest in this but I don't know > what "just works". Personally I would think that an identd type of > setup that passes UID to a filter would be more acceptable than a user > login at browser launch. Any recommendations? > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:26:48 +0800 From: "Leo Willems" Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - make install - Linux kernel source not To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <3fabbdc20805151726t19329b20m6aa31cb09bb3d4b4 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Terrell, thanks for the advice! I installed K12LTSP 5.0EL. Some how the kernel source is installed by default, because I haven't seen any distinctive selection during the setup. Compiling the drivers for a Attansic L2 works fine. I added a 2nd network card to the server, a 3com 3C905B-TX. K12LTSP 5.0EL didn't recognize this card by default. I downloaded and compile the driver. still not recognized. About to change the network card, I first changed the PCI slot on the board. And the network card is recognized. Does a driver for the 3com 3C905B-TX come in the K12LTSP 5.0EL distribution or is the downloaded / compiled driver working now? Both NICs are working fine. One for the Internet access, one for the thin client net. Everything automatic setup by default. Nice! Thanks! Leo Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:12:19 -0400 From: "Terrell Prud? Jr." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - make install - Linux kernel source not found To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: <4808E483.4000607 at cmosnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Leo, The K12LTSP is indeed a great system for computer labs. It also works very well in a business situation. You made a good choice. One thing before we get started: you should plan ASAP to "upgrade" to K12LTSP 5.0EL, as Fedora Core 6 (the basis of K12LTSP 6.0.0) hasn't received security updates since December 2007. You are thus vulnerable to getting hacked. CentOS 5, the basis of K12LTSP 5.0EL, on the other hand, will be supported to the year 2014. Turns out that CentOS 5 looks and acts virtually identical to Fedora Core 6, so your users won't experience user-interface disruption. There are two ways to install what you're after. There's the command line way, and there's the GUI way. To install the kernel source on my system (K12LTSP 4.2EL) from the command line, I did this, as root: yum install kernel-devel which should also install the header files. The GUI way is to fire up the "Add/Remove Programs" application and install the "kernel-devel" package. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Leo Willems wrote: > Dear all, > > thank you all for the K12LTSP distribution and keeping up the > community with this mailing list. > > I use the K12LTSP(6.0.0) in server / thin-client setups for computer > labs in children homes in South East Asia. > I really appreciate the automatic detection of most of the hardware > devices (video, audio, network) during the several installations. > ... > > Currently I like to compile drivers for a Attansic L2 Fast Ethernet > (onboard), the network card was not detected during the installation. > > I did this: > > tar zxf L2-linux-driver.tar.gz > cd L2-linux-driver/rc/ > make install > > Error message: Linux kernel source not found. Stop. > > Questions: > 1. How to make sure the Linux kernel source are available? > 2. How to add the Linux kernel source on a running K12LSTP server? > > Thank you! > Leo > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:35:44 +0800 From: "Leo Willems" Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0EL: Etherboot - fatal server error no screens found To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <3fabbdc20805151835w4450c399n9f88db2ee35b6c0c at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear all, with a K12LTSP 5.0EL server and a thin client with Etherboot the NIC is recognized and the thin client basically boots from the server. The boot sequence stops with: Fatal server error - no screens found. On the server the video card is on board a Intel 82945G/GZ and in the thin client a Nvidia Riva TNT2 Mode 64 Pro. 1. Does this error indicate a problem with the video card driver for the thin client? 2. Is the error independent from the video card and a general setting problem? Thanks Leo ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:54:12 +0200 From: "Dagfinn Stangeland" Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 9 LTSP install guide, walkthrough, manual... To: "K12OS mailing list" , "RedHat K12LTSP list" Message-ID: <645415b20805160454v4ffbc949w31de63b79eb8ebc6 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I'm struggling with setting up a Fedora LTSP server. Does anyone know of a final F9 resource for installation and setup of LTSP? What i find floating around seems to written a while ago and seems to be meant for beta and testing versions of Fedora and LTSP. -- Dagfinn Stangeland Theodor Dahlsvei 13 4319 Sandnes Norway +47 90795008 jodgipost at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20080516/65792f1b/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:03:52 +0200 From: Nils Breunese Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Fedora 9 LTSP install guide, walkthrough, manual... To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Dagfinn Stangeland wrote: > I'm struggling with setting up a Fedora LTSP server. > Does anyone know of a final F9 resource for installation and setup > of LTSP? > What i find floating around seems to written a while ago and seems > to be meant for beta and testing versions of Fedora and LTSP. You might want to try https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/ for LTSP installation instructions on Fedora. If you're looking for a ready to go K12LTSP setup I suggest taking a look at the CentOS 5 based K12LTSP 5EL: http://k12ltsp.org/ Nils Breunese. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:05:31 +0200 From: Nils Breunese Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Fedora 9 LTSP install guide, walkthrough, manual... To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: <83321F87-C914-4C1A-8CF8-CC92A6E8DE3A at breun.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Nils Breunese wrote: > Dagfinn Stangeland wrote: > >> I'm struggling with setting up a Fedora LTSP server. >> Does anyone know of a final F9 resource for installation and setup >> of LTSP? >> What i find floating around seems to written a while ago and seems >> to be meant for beta and testing versions of Fedora and LTSP. > > You might want to try https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/ for LTSP > installation instructions on Fedora. If you're looking for a ready > to go K12LTSP setup I suggest taking a look at the CentOS 5 based > K12LTSP 5EL: http://k12ltsp.org/ For info on LTSP on Fedora you also might want to follow Warren Togami's LiveJournal: http://wtogami.livejournal.com/ Nils Breunese. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:08:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Barry R Cisna Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Big Brother To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <40009.216.24.126.66.1210946937.squirrel at www.eazylivin.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Peter, This is very easy to do do with what is on your K12LTSP Cd's. Simply install Squid, dansguardian. You will also need to download identd( for Winders clients)and install this manually on each of the Winders clients on your lan( some leg work involved),and oident rpm from fedora/EL extras to install onto your K12lTSP server for thin clients reporting. After you get this done you'll have a very nice web filtering system that will report 'userxyz' if the content filter receives a denied page in an easy to read dansguardian report. I have tried squidguard as well along with squid but dansguardian seems to have a few enhancements over squidguard. Take Care, Barry Cisna ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:30:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Barry R Cisna Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0EL: Etherboot - fatal server error no screens found To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <46855.216.24.126.66.1210948211.squirrel at www.eazylivin.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Leo, If this client you are trying has onboard video,to make your life easier disable it in bios (or pull out the existing) and find an old machine laying around with a pci video card,and slap the video card in the client you are trying out. Almost any pci video card will work "out of the box"with K12LTSP. You really don't need all the high video cards in a thin client scenario anyways. Take Care, Barry Cisna ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 00:36:27 +0900 From: "Leo Willems" Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0EL: How to install 147 update packages (solution) To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <3fabbdc20805160836g1a154974nc4d68abbaf216dea at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear all, after a recent fresh installation of K12LTSP 5.0EL the system had 147 update packages to install. First I try to let them all update at once. But even overnight the updater hangs. Then I chosse on a random base some packages to install. The updater run into a Update install error [('file /usr/sbin/sysreport conflicts between attempted installs of sos-1.7-9.2.el5 and sysreport-1.4.3-13.el5', (6, '/usr/sbin/sysreport', 0L)), ('file /usr/share/sysreport/functions conflicts between attempted installs of sos-1.7-9.2.el5 and sysreport-1.4.3-13.el5', (6, '/usr/share/sysreport/functions', 0L))] Solution: 'divide and conquer' 1. I selected the packages in smaller ranges, selected by the first letter of the package, e.g. all packages from 'a to b'. 2. All packages could be installed error free till 'q'. 3. The error occurs inthe range 'r to s' 4. I selected the rest in steps 't to y', ... 'sa to st' ... 'systemtap' 5. Finally all 147 packages could be installed with out error. Thanks Leo ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 51, Issue 15 ************************************** From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Sat May 17 00:34:08 2008 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Big Brother Message-ID: <754113.22177.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Is anybody doing filtering that logs blocked pages > with user info? See http://contentfilter.futuragts.com/wiki/index.php?title=Two_Configuration_Families If you have (or set up) an "Explicit-Proxy" environment, you can have your filter/proxy (ex: Squid) request "ident" information, to which the browser (at least IE) will automatically respond. Many filters (ex: DansGuardian) can then "sniff" the information and include it in their logs. (Use of Firefox --which tries mightily to remain multi-platform and so isn't tightly tied to Windows-- may throw a monkey wrench into the scheme.) But if you have (or set up) a "Transparent-Intercepting" environment, I'm not aware of any way you can generate or capture the identification information with any tool no matter what. In many cases the same software filtering tool will behave differently depending on which environment it's in. (Beware) In these cases the filter logs will typically contain just an IP Address, which you somehow need to associate to a username. Often you can get the username information from somewhere else without requiring the user to reenter it (i.e. retain "single sign on"). For example if your users connect to Samba, you can run `smbstatus` over and over every minute or so to generate the timestamped IP->name correspondence information. thanks! -Chuck Kollars From willems.leo at googlemail.com Sat May 17 00:39:19 2008 From: willems.leo at googlemail.com (Leo Willems) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 09:39:19 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0EL: After Update NIC eth0 (Attansic L2 on board) don't work Message-ID: <3fabbdc20805161739n180e0b8en794cd3a5079fd7bf@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, After installing 147 update packages the NIC eth0 (Attansic L2 on board) don't work any more. error message: atl2 device eth0 does not seem to be present, delaying initialization. 1. make install /lib/modules/2.6.18-53.1.19.el5/source/include/linux/config.h:6:2: warning: #warning Including config.h is deprecated. make -C /lib/modules/2.6.18-53.1.19.el5/source O=/lib/modules/2.6.18-53.1.19.el5/build SUBDIRS=/root/linux network driver/L2-linux-driver/src modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.18-53.1.19.el5-i686' make[2]: *** No rule to make target `network'. Stop. make[1]: *** [network] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.18-53.1.19.el5-i686' make: *** [default] Error 2 1.1 make install don't work, no new binary of the NIC driver to find Another attempt: 2.1 copy NIC driver binary /lib/modules/2.6.18-8.1.6.el5/kernel/drivers/net/atl2 to /lib/modules/2.6.18-53.1.19.el5/kernel/drivers/net/atl2 2.2 Install the module: insmod /lib/modules/2.6.18-53.1.19.el5/kernel/drivers/net/atl2/atl2.ko 2.2.1 NIC eth0 (on board) active eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:13:74:00:5C:38 inet addr:192.168.0.254 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:E2:14:0A:3F inet addr:192.168.1.18 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 2.2.2 No internet access, server routes now internet access via eth0 instead of eth1 traceroute to www.google.com (64.233.189.104), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 server.ltsp (192.168.0.254) 3000.792 ms !H 3000.793 ms !H 3000.788 ms !H 2.2.3 After restart the dhcdd thin clients can boot from the server. 3. Restart of the Server 3.1 eth0 and dhcpd failed to start, no thin client net 3.2 eth1 works fine, internet access works Is there any chance to get the eth0 and permanetly running? Thanks Leo From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat May 17 01:45:02 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:45:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0EL: How to install 147 update packages (solution) In-Reply-To: <3fabbdc20805160836g1a154974nc4d68abbaf216dea@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fabbdc20805160836g1a154974nc4d68abbaf216dea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Had the same problem, I just ran yum update manually after the GUI updater crashed and burned and it worked for me. On May 16, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Leo Willems wrote: > Dear all, > > after a recent fresh installation of K12LTSP 5.0EL the system had 147 > update packages to install. > First I try to let them all update at once. But even overnight the > updater hangs. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkguOJ4ACgkQxWV7OPa/g5GloQCfbB2tm7A8wEEfeHLfxfegJz0n DjsAnjw5ZhofPU4wRjb634jKghMYtiJX =e82y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat May 17 02:21:01 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:21:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0EL: After Update NIC eth0 (Attansic L2 on board) don't work Message-ID: <1210990861.14642.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Leo, This error usually indicates that the new kernel can not probe the mac address correctly. Do: System>Administration>Network. In the network gui select the nic that is not working,select edit, then click on hardware tab. See if the Mac address is listed. If not click on "probe". I'm sure if the mac address is blank/grayed out, the probe will not detect anything. If this is the case, look on the mobo( magnifying glass time),and write down the mac address for both onboard nics. Enter the mac address into the nic's hardware setting,and I 'm betting your nic will now start correctly. Let us know your progress. Take Care, Barry Cisna From mlindman at charter.net Sat May 17 04:41:29 2008 From: mlindman at charter.net (Mark Lindman) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:41:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP usefullness in your school In-Reply-To: <1210467559.28660.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1210467559.28660.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1210999289.22319.20.camel@WEN-2581401E> Hi Barry, I'm the "parent volunteer" at a local private school that has about 200 students. They have a "computer lab" that consists of a small classroom equipped with 8 donated laptop computers, a Mac, and a terminal server that I donated to the school. One parent works for microsoft and has donated some software to the school. The lab was laid out to support a photography class that is also assembling the school annual. K12LTSP is what makes this possible. The laptops are incapable of running windows xp in a reasonable fashion. The instructor is relatively "operating system agnostic". She just needs computers and software for the students to use - the fact that we've got Gimp, Scribus, OpenOffice, and Mozilla with Flash at nearly zero cost continues to amaze her. When I first mentioned using K12LTSP, I didn't present it as a radical idea, and didn't emphasize the 'free' part, but presented it as a way to solve nearly all the issues that she faced as an instructor - most significantly how to get from a pile of mostly useless laptops, to functioning terminals that allowed the students to learn rather than fight with the hardware. There's more to tell, but I'm out of time tonight. Bottom line, without LTSP, and really K12LTSP, there would be no supportable student environment at the school. It's being used now by both teachers and students from many other classes. A huge "Thank you" for the untold hours. You'll likely never know this side of heaven how many folks your work has impacted. Regards, Mark On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 19:59 -0500, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > I pose this question about once a year to all the K12LTSP'ers on the > list here. I'd like to know,especially the newer people on the list > here,how your admins think, when you mention,about the K12ltsp setup in > a school setting. I have posted all my trials and tribulations many > times before. I always wonder what the admins think when you mention the > distro is free. This seems to be the biggest downfall I have found.Seems > odd doesn't it?,,,hhmm.I was told many moons ago by an older gentleman > that is a long time Linux guru that the United States would be the last > country to "flip" to Linux ,because the US is such a commercialized > country. I can see now he is correct:) > For example what does the teachers say when you have mentioned to them > about k12ltsp for the first time,etc. > Any comments to share? > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From monteslu at cox.net Sat May 17 08:40:17 2008 From: monteslu at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 01:40:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS5 64bit & Flash 9 In-Reply-To: <11739575.695151201129021030.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web09-z01> References: <11739575.695151201129021030.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web09-z01> Message-ID: <482E99F1.3060301@cox.net> If anyone else is interested in 64bit flash for Linux, I suggest creating an account on Adobe's issue tracking site and voting it up: http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP?report=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project:popularissues-panel Leaving a polite comment probably wouldn't hurt either. Luis ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Hi friends > > Two schools I support now have CentOS 5 (64bit) and the only way I've been able to work sound via through the Thin Clients (NICE Symbio units) is by running Flash 7. Now, several of the sites the district is promoting apparently only run if Flash 9 is installed. I kind of remember some information on audio codecs not being updated, but don't know for sure. > > My question is directed at those gurus and users that are perhaps facing the same dilemma: the thin clients deliver sound or web based Flash 9 streams - What needs to be done to activate both? > > Thanks for the help > > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > http://tinyurl.com/3e4sh8 > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sat May 17 13:38:18 2008 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 8:38:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops Message-ID: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> Howdy list members - Over the years I've belonged to this list I've come to appreciate that most members are versed not only on alternate solutions for operating systems and configurations, but also are quite knowledgeable in many other aspects of technology. With this in mind, I'd like to ask for some help on what I consider a daunting task I have at hand, namely to select the TOP FIVE LAPTOPS that should be (because of their specs & configuration) selected as best STUDENT laptops available. While this task could easily be "turned over" to vendors, I'd rather query the practitioners and techies who are in the fry, and who don't mind sharing. I suppose items like flash memory and built-in wireless add to a laptop desirability, but there might be other factors. Specs, vendor and cost are needed - interested in helping? From accessys at smart.net Sat May 17 13:43:41 2008 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 09:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops In-Reply-To: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> References: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> Message-ID: getting it from the vendor with no software installed or with your own version of K12 installed would be a big plus. Bob On Sat, 17 May 2008 ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Howdy list members - > > Over the years I've belonged to this list I've come to appreciate that most members are versed not only on alternate solutions for operating systems and configurations, but also are quite knowledgeable in many other aspects of technology. With this in mind, I'd like to ask for some help on what I consider a daunting task I have at hand, namely to select the TOP FIVE LAPTOPS that should be (because of their specs & configuration) selected as best STUDENT laptops available. > > While this task could easily be "turned over" to vendors, I'd rather query the practitioners and techies who are in the fry, and who don't mind sharing. I suppose items like flash memory and built-in wireless add to a laptop desirability, but there might be other factors. Specs, vendor and cost are needed - interested in helping? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > - end ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ occasionally a true patriot must defend his country from its' government +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign. . . . . . . . . . . . accessBob .NO HTML/PDF/RTF/MIME in e-mail. . . . . . . accessys at smartnospam.net .NO MSWord docs in e-mail . . . .. . . . . . Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From fastxr at gmail.com Sat May 17 14:00:19 2008 From: fastxr at gmail.com (Vince Callaway) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:00:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops In-Reply-To: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> References: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> Message-ID: <1211032819.6512.19.camel@1720-laptop> I've bought several laptops in the last year. Most of them are running Ubunutu so I've been a bit picky about chipsets. 1st) I always buy intel processors. AMD is great, but not the best choice for linux. 2nd) Nvidia graphics. Just works the best. The one I use and like the best is my Dell. It is a 1721 with the top screen option. Intel processor, Nvidia graphics and built in sprint broadband card. Not the cheapest. Dell does offer the 15" laptops with Ubuuntu pre-installed. They are also a pretty decent price. For my wife just bought an HP 17". We had to hunt around but did find a version with intel processor and nvidia chipset. I think it was a bargain at $950. The screen was almost as nice as the Dell and had everything she needed. The newest arrival is the EEE PC. I now have a 7" and a 9". I have the 7" one mounted in my car. I use it to access the database at work when on the road. Only complaint is the number row on the keyboard. It is offset a bit and I keep hitting the wrong numbers. I just received the 9" model. I think it is absolutely the best student laptop out there. The screen is clear and large enough for editing documents and web browsing. It is light, small and solid state. Only complaint is you need a spare battery and it has the same keyboard. From massonpj at delhi.edu Sat May 17 15:15:17 2008 From: massonpj at delhi.edu (massonpj at delhi.edu) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 11:15:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP usefullness in your school In-Reply-To: <1210999289.22319.20.camel@WEN-2581401E> References: <1210467559.28660.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>, <1210999289.22319.20.camel@WEN-2581401E> Message-ID: Barry, Could you point me to any documentation you may have about your trials and tribulations? I'd like to learn more about your work (and from anyone else who may have implemented a similar project). Specifically the numbers (size of deployment, internal support staff, students, etc.) and then anything about the environment (OS/software support, etc.). I'd like to point to a few reference models for our own discussions here. Thanks, Patrick Patrick Masson Chief Information Officer 331B Bush Hall State University of New York College of Technology at Delhi Delhi, New York 13753 607-746-4670 massonpj at delhi.edu On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 19:59 -0500, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > I pose this question about once a year to all the K12LTSP'ers on the > list here. I'd like to know,especially the newer people on the list > here,how your admins think, when you mention,about the K12ltsp setup in > a school setting. I have posted all my trials and tribulations many > times before. I always wonder what the admins think when you mention the > distro is free. This seems to be the biggest downfall I have found.Seems > odd doesn't it?,,,hhmm.I was told many moons ago by an older gentleman > that is a long time Linux guru that the United States would be the last > country to "flip" to Linux ,because the US is such a commercialized > country. I can see now he is correct:) > For example what does the teachers say when you have mentioned to them > about k12ltsp for the first time,etc. > Any comments to share? > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Sat May 17 16:25:36 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 09:25:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP usefullness in your school In-Reply-To: <1210999289.22319.20.camel@WEN-2581401E> References: <1210467559.28660.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1210999289.22319.20.camel@WEN-2581401E> Message-ID: On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Mark Lindman wrote: > > There's more to tell, but I'm out of time tonight. Bottom line, without > LTSP, and really K12LTSP, there would be no supportable student > environment at the school. It's being used now by both teachers and > students from many other classes. > > A huge "Thank you" for the untold hours. You'll likely never know this > side of heaven how many folks your work has impacted. > Not to little the work others have done, but just to clarify, Eric Harrison is the maintainer of K12LTSP. However he has currently shifted his efforts to help Fedora begin the development of K12LINUX. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From sbarar at gmail.com Sun May 18 04:19:46 2008 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 09:49:46 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [Informative] Just though to share this Message-ID: <774593a20805172119q5bd30567q57a28e61a222816a@mail.gmail.com> Not directly relevant but many may be facing similar situation. This is for work on server not the client - yet! I had been struggling to run a vendor supplied program under wine. The device which is controlled by this program connects with USB (or Serial) cable as my laptop only has USB port. The problem was which that the program allowed me the choice of COM1~COM3. Ultimately I was able to get the whole thin working with a simple hack of linking the /dev/ttyUSB0 to COM3 with a simple: ln -sf /dev/ttyUSB0 ~/.wine/dosdevices/COM3 (note the "." before wine) The device was recongnised as COM3 in the program under windows and one more reason to chuck that almost useless partition was added. Two more to go -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. From mel at melwade.com Sun May 18 17:44:04 2008 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 10:44:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 100 Largest Files Message-ID: <43080f460805181044w2e75f173vcf7931e170d7818e@mail.gmail.com> Is there a way to scan a hard drive and list the 100 largest files using the command line in Linux? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Sun May 18 18:25:33 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 11:25:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 100 Largest Files In-Reply-To: <43080f460805181044w2e75f173vcf7931e170d7818e@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460805181044w2e75f173vcf7931e170d7818e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4830749D.1030209@paasda.org> the 'find' command... man find and figure out syntax(not that difficult really) or google for the exact same question and you'll get about 100 hits with various methods of using 'find' in a pimpalicious fashion. --Huck Mel Wade wrote: > Is there a way to scan a hard drive and list the 100 largest files using > the command line in Linux? > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From caldodge at gmail.com Sun May 18 18:21:15 2008 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 11:21:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 100 Largest Files In-Reply-To: <43080f460805181044w2e75f173vcf7931e170d7818e@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460805181044w2e75f173vcf7931e170d7818e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0805181121h70587c0am614f4bd7c6773e2b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/18 Mel Wade : > Is there a way to scan a hard drive and list the 100 largest files using the > command line in Linux? find / -mount -type f -print0|xargs -0 du -s >/root/$$.sort;sort -n /root/$$.sort|tail -n 100 (-mount keeps it from searching /proc and the like) This is piped to a temporary file because xargs will cut the filename list into 128 KB chunks. calvin From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 19 02:38:36 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpIEpyLiI=?=) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:38:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops In-Reply-To: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> References: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> Message-ID: <4830E82C.9000405@cmosnetworks.com> For student laptops, you really want hardware that's going to work out of the box. I've found over the years that the Dell Latitudes tend to be very good with GNU/Linux, with just one major caveat. That caveat is that you avoid two pieces of hardware like the plague, and this applies to *any* laptop: 1.) Broadcom wireless 2.) nVidia video Instead, choose Intel video, and your wireless should likewise from from Intel, Ralink, or Realtek. They just work with no fuss. No hunting for drivers, no having to compile crap, no third-party conflicting stuff--none of that. And yes, Compiz Fusion works *great* with Intel video. :-) I have just about all the bells and whistles turned on, and it's really fun. I make all the Windows XP/Vista users quite jealous. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Howdy list members - > > Over the years I've belonged to this list I've come to appreciate that most members are versed not only on alternate solutions for operating systems and configurations, but also are quite knowledgeable in many other aspects of technology. With this in mind, I'd like to ask for some help on what I consider a daunting task I have at hand, namely to select the TOP FIVE LAPTOPS that should be (because of their specs & configuration) selected as best STUDENT laptops available. > > While this task could easily be "turned over" to vendors, I'd rather query the practitioners and techies who are in the fry, and who don't mind sharing. I suppose items like flash memory and built-in wireless add to a laptop desirability, but there might be other factors. Specs, vendor and cost are needed - interested in helping? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 19 02:53:08 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:53:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops In-Reply-To: <1211032819.6512.19.camel@1720-laptop> References: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> <1211032819.6512.19.camel@1720-laptop> Message-ID: <4830EB94.60003@cmosnetworks.com> Vince Callaway wrote: > I've bought several laptops in the last year. Most of them are running > Ubunutu so I've been a bit picky about chipsets. > I hear you. Same here; I'm very picky about my hardware. > 1st) I always buy intel processors. AMD is great, but not the best > choice for linux. > That's because of the other hardware that's included in some AMD-based systems by corner-cutting OEM's. Usually, it's inferior (and horribly closed/proprietary) supporting hardware like Broadcom or Marvell; I guarantee you it ain't the CPU. AMD themselves have always been very Linux-friendly. Their processors are great. > 2nd) Nvidia graphics. Just works the best. > Interesting...I've found otherwise. I run plenty of Red Hat-ish distros, and I've tried installing nVidia's proprietary driver. It can be a right royal pain. By contrast, I've found that Intel video just works out of the box, no matter what distro I pick. That's the benefit of hardware whose specs are published NDA-free. --TP From micha at arava.co.il Mon May 19 06:43:33 2008 From: micha at arava.co.il (Micha Silver) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:43:33 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] 100 Largest Files In-Reply-To: <4830749D.1030209@paasda.org> References: <43080f460805181044w2e75f173vcf7931e170d7818e@mail.gmail.com> <4830749D.1030209@paasda.org> Message-ID: <48312195.9020808@arava.co.il> Huck wrote: > the 'find' command... > > using 'find' in a pimpalicious fashion. > The 'find' command is easy, but I needed Google to understand "pimpalicious"! -- Micha > --Huck > From nils at breun.nl Mon May 19 08:20:44 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:20:44 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops In-Reply-To: <4830EB94.60003@cmosnetworks.com> References: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> <1211032819.6512.19.camel@1720-laptop> <4830EB94.60003@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <6BC58576-B499-47AC-96FB-F8E25437745F@breun.nl> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> 2nd) Nvidia graphics. Just works the best. > > Interesting...I've found otherwise. I run plenty of Red Hat-ish > distros, and I've tried installing nVidia's proprietary driver. It > can > be a right royal pain. By contrast, I've found that Intel video just > works out of the box, no matter what distro I pick. That's the > benefit > of hardware whose specs are published NDA-free. It's not very hard to install nVidia's proprietary driver. In Ubuntu it's a matter of checking a checkbox. Under Fedora it's a little more work (you have to add a third party repository as Fedora doesn't ship non-free software), but it generally works just fine and I don't know for sure, but nVidia graphics might perform better with things like 3D than Intel, I think. Of course, if you're a real open source fanatic you better avoid nVidia and their evil non-open source drivers. Nils Breunese. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 19 13:39:11 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:39:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops In-Reply-To: <6BC58576-B499-47AC-96FB-F8E25437745F@breun.nl> References: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> <1211032819.6512.19.camel@1720-laptop> <4830EB94.60003@cmosnetworks.com> <6BC58576-B499-47AC-96FB-F8E25437745F@breun.nl> Message-ID: <483182FF.5050400@cmosnetworks.com> Nils Breunese wrote: > It's not very hard to install nVidia's proprietary driver. In Ubuntu > it's a matter of checking a checkbox. True. But that's one distro. And if the Ubuntu support list is any indication (Les Mikesell and I are both on there), then Hardy Heron is giving some folks the blues with that. > Under Fedora it's a little more work (you have to add a third party > repository as Fedora doesn't ship non-free software), You and I know how to do that. But most people aren't as technical as we are. > but it generally works just fine and I don't know for sure, but nVidia > graphics might perform better with things like 3D than Intel, I think. > Of course, if you're a real open source fanatic you better avoid > nVidia and their evil non-open source drivers. Or if you just want things to work out of the box w/ no fuss. :-) Right now, Intel does that. You're right, it ain't the Ferrari...it's the Honda Accord. Remember that we're talking about a *student* laptop here, not a gaming machine. --TP From les at futuresource.com Mon May 19 14:55:07 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:55:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops In-Reply-To: <483182FF.5050400@cmosnetworks.com> References: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> <1211032819.6512.19.camel@1720-laptop> <4830EB94.60003@cmosnetworks.com> <6BC58576-B499-47AC-96FB-F8E25437745F@breun.nl> <483182FF.5050400@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <483194CB.9090107@futuresource.com> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > > Or if you just want things to work out of the box w/ no fuss. :-) > Right now, Intel does that. You're right, it ain't the Ferrari...it's > the Honda Accord. Remember that we're talking about a *student* laptop > here, not a gaming machine. You should probably be specific about which intel video chips you like. I always thought the older versions were pretty bad and don't have any experience with the newer ones. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From fastxr at gmail.com Mon May 19 15:28:34 2008 From: fastxr at gmail.com (Vince Callaway) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:28:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops In-Reply-To: <483182FF.5050400@cmosnetworks.com> References: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> <1211032819.6512.19.camel@1720-laptop> <4830EB94.60003@cmosnetworks.com> <6BC58576-B499-47AC-96FB-F8E25437745F@breun.nl> <483182FF.5050400@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1211210914.7863.15.camel@vince-desktop> I pretty much setup the OS for people that are switching. With ubuntu the nvidia driver performs very well and desktop effects work better. The desktop effects give a wow factor that people like. It really helps to have that to get people, especially young people interested. With ubuntu it is only a matter of clicking a checkbox to enable the driver. It does not bother me that it is a proprietary driver. Just the opposite. It means the company has made an investment in supporting Linux. I feel I should encourage the use of their products. Another company I encourage the use of is Brother printers. They provide full drivers for the printers and all-in-ones. I've installed several of the low end MFC-240c's for use as dedicated scanners. Right now they are on sale at frys for something like $60. You are not going to find a scanner with a document feeder that works as well any cheaper. The laser printers with built in network jack are also a real bargain. Great for a low budget classroom. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 19 15:38:05 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:38:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops In-Reply-To: <483194CB.9090107@futuresource.com> References: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> <1211032819.6512.19.camel@1720-laptop> <4830EB94.60003@cmosnetworks.com> <6BC58576-B499-47AC-96FB-F8E25437745F@breun.nl> <483182FF.5050400@cmosnetworks.com> <483194CB.9090107@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <48319EDD.706@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> >> Or if you just want things to work out of the box w/ no fuss. :-) >> Right now, Intel does that. You're right, it ain't the Ferrari...it's >> the Honda Accord. Remember that we're talking about a *student* laptop >> here, not a gaming machine. > > You should probably be specific about which intel video chips you > like. I always thought the older versions were pretty bad and > don't have any experience with the newer ones. > Good point. I'm referring to anything with the 965 chipset and later. One of my boxes at work has that, and the eye candy works very well with it. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon May 19 16:12:37 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:12:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops In-Reply-To: <1211210914.7863.15.camel@vince-desktop> References: <2232637.609191211031498488.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web18-z02> <1211032819.6512.19.camel@1720-laptop> <4830EB94.60003@cmosnetworks.com> <6BC58576-B499-47AC-96FB-F8E25437745F@breun.nl> <483182FF.5050400@cmosnetworks.com> <1211210914.7863.15.camel@vince-desktop> Message-ID: <4831A6F5.3020501@cmosnetworks.com> Vince Callaway wrote: > I pretty much setup the OS for people that are switching. With ubuntu > the nvidia driver performs very well and desktop effects work better. > I do the setup for switchers as well. Desktop effects (I assume you mean Compiz Fusion-type stuff) work very well with Intel video, too. I have one running Kubuntu Hardy, and I've got all the Compiz stuff turned on. It's great. > The desktop effects give a wow factor that people like. It really helps > to have that to get people, especially young people interested. With > ubuntu it is only a matter of clicking a checkbox to enable the driver. > Once again...with *Ubuntu*...and *only* *Ubuntu*. Not Fedora, not Red Hat, not CentOS, and definitely not K12LTSP. You're certainly right about the eye candy. That's exactly why I always go Intel video now. To get that "wow factor," you don't even have to do that extra Ubuntu click, regardless of distro. It's automatic, i. e. during the installation. > It does not bother me that it is a proprietary driver. Just the > opposite. It should. On several levels. > It means the company has made an investment in supporting > Linux. I feel I should encourage the use of their products. > Then please do encourage the use of Intel video. They're giving true support, not what nVidia does. And when the AMD/ATI cards work seamlessly in X.org (should be by the end of the year now that the programming docs are public), encourage the use of AMD/ATI, too. > Another company I encourage the use of is Brother printers. They > provide full drivers for the printers and all-in-ones. > Full *Windows* drivers, maybe. Brother is notorious for being anti-Linux, almost as bad as Broadcom. HP's, on the other hand, work out of the box with *any* distro. I set up an HP all-in-one for my Dad with CentOS 5, and things Just Worked. No having to hunt around some vendor's Web site, either; it works "out of the box" with the distro. *That's* the kind of vendor that I support. Right on, HP! > I've installed several of the low end MFC-240c's for use as dedicated > scanners. Right now they are on sale at frys for something like $60. > You are not going to find a scanner with a document feeder that works as > well any cheaper. The laser printers with built in network jack are > also a real bargain. Great for a low budget classroom Decent HP all-in-ones are about the same price. We don't have Fry's out my way (they're West Coast, right?), but it sounds kinda like our Micro Center out here. BTW, no, I'm not an Intel employee, though I sure wish I'd bought their stock in the 1980's. :-) I just know what works "out of the box" with Linux, and right now, they're it. Hopefully we'll have other options as well in the coming months. --TP From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Mon May 19 18:16:37 2008 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:16:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP usefullness in your school In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't think that should offend anyone Robert. I've attempted a few times lately to get the LTSP setup without being integrated in the distro and it's certainly not easy. I'm eagerly awaiting the work being done on the K12LINUX project and Fedora 9 with LTSP5. If it's anything like the ease of use I got from K12LTSP then it's sure to help many more people. Levi > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 11:26 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] State of K12LTSP usefullness in your school > > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Mark Lindman > wrote: > > > > There's more to tell, but I'm out of time tonight. Bottom line, > > without LTSP, and really K12LTSP, there would be no supportable > > student environment at the school. It's being used now by both > > teachers and students from many other classes. > > > > A huge "Thank you" for the untold hours. You'll likely > never know this > > side of heaven how many folks your work has impacted. > > > > Not to little the work others have done, but just to clarify, > Eric Harrison is the maintainer of K12LTSP. However he has > currently shifted his efforts to help Fedora begin the > development of K12LINUX. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon May 19 21:09:38 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:09:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] block port 80 to a single lab only, on demand(not specifically K12LTSP) Message-ID: <4831EC92.4020905@paasda.org> A teacher would like to block HTTP traffic to his lab at will... i.e. when he wants students to pay attention and actually work on class-based stuff... lab -> hp procurve -> the network(including servers & gateway machines) is there a switch out there that can block specific access ports? on a switch-port basis? i.e. block all HTTP traffic on port 24(the incoming network feed) or is this something that I would need to do at the gateway? since the HP Procurve has it's own IP address, I could in theory block all HTTP traffic using an iptables rule...to the switch's ip address? The Cisco Rep that the teacher spoke with said they don't have a specific switch that will/can do this... --Huck From steven at simplycircus.com Mon May 19 21:51:56 2008 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:51:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops In-Reply-To: <4831A6F5.3020501@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: I just bought a Brother HL2170W B&W laser printer. It has PDD drivers for CUPS. Check out: http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_drivers.html _____ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of "Terrell Prud? Jr." > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:13 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops > > > Vince Callaway wrote: > > I pretty much setup the OS for people that are switching. With ubuntu > > the nvidia driver performs very well and desktop effects work better. > > > I do the setup for switchers as well. Desktop effects (I assume you > mean Compiz Fusion-type stuff) work very well with Intel video, too. I > have one running Kubuntu Hardy, and I've got all the Compiz stuff turned > on. It's great. > > > The desktop effects give a wow factor that people like. It really helps > > to have that to get people, especially young people interested. With > > ubuntu it is only a matter of clicking a checkbox to enable the driver. > > > > Once again...with *Ubuntu*...and *only* *Ubuntu*. Not Fedora, not Red > Hat, not CentOS, and definitely not K12LTSP. > > You're certainly right about the eye candy. That's exactly why I always > go Intel video now. To get that "wow factor," you don't even have to do > that extra Ubuntu click, regardless of distro. It's automatic, i. e. > during the installation. > > > It does not bother me that it is a proprietary driver. Just the > > opposite. > > It should. On several levels. > > > It means the company has made an investment in supporting > > Linux. I feel I should encourage the use of their products. > > > > Then please do encourage the use of Intel video. They're giving true > support, not what nVidia does. And when the AMD/ATI cards work > seamlessly in X.org (should be by the end of the year now that the > programming docs are public), encourage the use of AMD/ATI, too. > > > Another company I encourage the use of is Brother printers. They > > provide full drivers for the printers and all-in-ones. > > > > Full *Windows* drivers, maybe. Brother is notorious for being > anti-Linux, almost as bad as Broadcom. HP's, on the other hand, work > out of the box with *any* distro. I set up an HP all-in-one for my Dad > with CentOS 5, and things Just Worked. No having to hunt around some > vendor's Web site, either; it works "out of the box" with the distro. > > *That's* the kind of vendor that I support. Right on, HP! > > > I've installed several of the low end MFC-240c's for use as dedicated > > scanners. Right now they are on sale at frys for something like $60. > > You are not going to find a scanner with a document feeder that works as > > well any cheaper. The laser printers with built in network jack are > > also a real bargain. Great for a low budget classroom > > Decent HP all-in-ones are about the same price. We don't have Fry's out > my way (they're West Coast, right?), but it sounds kinda like our Micro > Center out here. > > BTW, no, I'm not an Intel employee, though I sure wish I'd bought their > stock in the 1980's. :-) I just know what works "out of the box" with > Linux, and right now, they're it. Hopefully we'll have other options as > well in the coming months. > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon May 19 23:25:53 2008 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:25:53 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops In-Reply-To: References: <4831A6F5.3020501@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Be careful of the ppd files they provide. I had big problems using the one they had for MFC7420. I found a ppd for a similar printer provided in CUPS was much better. 2008/5/20 Steven Santos : > I just bought a Brother HL2170W B&W laser printer. It has PDD drivers for > CUPS. Check out: > > http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_drivers.html > > _____ > > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 617-527-0667 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >> Behalf Of "Terrell Prud? Jr." >> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:13 PM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Query - Top Five Laptops >> >> >> Vince Callaway wrote: >> > I pretty much setup the OS for people that are switching. With ubuntu >> > the nvidia driver performs very well and desktop effects work better. >> > >> I do the setup for switchers as well. Desktop effects (I assume you >> mean Compiz Fusion-type stuff) work very well with Intel video, too. I >> have one running Kubuntu Hardy, and I've got all the Compiz stuff turned >> on. It's great. >> >> > The desktop effects give a wow factor that people like. It really helps >> > to have that to get people, especially young people interested. With >> > ubuntu it is only a matter of clicking a checkbox to enable the driver. >> > >> >> Once again...with *Ubuntu*...and *only* *Ubuntu*. Not Fedora, not Red >> Hat, not CentOS, and definitely not K12LTSP. >> >> You're certainly right about the eye candy. That's exactly why I always >> go Intel video now. To get that "wow factor," you don't even have to do >> that extra Ubuntu click, regardless of distro. It's automatic, i. e. >> during the installation. >> >> > It does not bother me that it is a proprietary driver. Just the >> > opposite. >> >> It should. On several levels. >> >> > It means the company has made an investment in supporting >> > Linux. I feel I should encourage the use of their products. >> > >> >> Then please do encourage the use of Intel video. They're giving true >> support, not what nVidia does. And when the AMD/ATI cards work >> seamlessly in X.org (should be by the end of the year now that the >> programming docs are public), encourage the use of AMD/ATI, too. >> >> > Another company I encourage the use of is Brother printers. They >> > provide full drivers for the printers and all-in-ones. >> > >> >> Full *Windows* drivers, maybe. Brother is notorious for being >> anti-Linux, almost as bad as Broadcom. HP's, on the other hand, work >> out of the box with *any* distro. I set up an HP all-in-one for my Dad >> with CentOS 5, and things Just Worked. No having to hunt around some >> vendor's Web site, either; it works "out of the box" with the distro. >> >> *That's* the kind of vendor that I support. Right on, HP! >> >> > I've installed several of the low end MFC-240c's for use as dedicated >> > scanners. Right now they are on sale at frys for something like $60. >> > You are not going to find a scanner with a document feeder that works as >> > well any cheaper. The laser printers with built in network jack are >> > also a real bargain. Great for a low budget classroom >> >> Decent HP all-in-ones are about the same price. We don't have Fry's out >> my way (they're West Coast, right?), but it sounds kinda like our Micro >> Center out here. >> >> BTW, no, I'm not an Intel employee, though I sure wish I'd bought their >> stock in the 1980's. :-) I just know what works "out of the box" with >> Linux, and right now, they're it. Hopefully we'll have other options as >> well in the coming months. >> >> --TP >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From willems.leo at googlemail.com Tue May 20 16:40:33 2008 From: willems.leo at googlemail.com (Leo Willems) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 00:40:33 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] What is K12LSTP 5.0 EL i386 / CentOS when it comes to binaries? Message-ID: <3fabbdc20805200940u37fbbb2awcf563559282550f@mail.gmail.com> What is K12LSTP 5.0 EL i386 / CentOS when it comes to binaries? I like to download VirtualBox https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=innotek-1.6-G-F at CDS-CDS_SMI Fedora 7 i386 Fedora 8 i386 Linux i386" Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 i386 Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 i386 ? From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue May 20 16:43:48 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:43:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What is K12LSTP 5.0 EL i386 / CentOS when it comes to binaries? In-Reply-To: <3fabbdc20805200940u37fbbb2awcf563559282550f@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fabbdc20805200940u37fbbb2awcf563559282550f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4832FFC4.5000306@cmosnetworks.com> It is Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 i386. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Leo Willems wrote: > What is K12LSTP 5.0 EL i386 / CentOS when it comes to binaries? > > I like to download VirtualBox > https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=innotek-1.6-G-F at CDS-CDS_SMI > > Fedora 7 i386 > Fedora 8 i386 > Linux i386" > Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 i386 > Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 i386 > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willems.leo at googlemail.com Tue May 20 17:00:10 2008 From: willems.leo at googlemail.com (Leo Willems) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 01:00:10 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] easy user interface for students/teachers? Message-ID: <3fabbdc20805201000x48e4e90bqaa7068b50f569c26@mail.gmail.com> easy user interface for students/teachers? You might have seen the easy user interface of the Asus EEE that comes with its Xandros OS. I searching for a similar 'tab' based interface that makes it easy for students to navigate the system and start applications. The interface could be configured accroding to their usegroup (agegroup). From whatch at anwsu.org Tue May 20 17:58:44 2008 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:58:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp, subnets, dhcpd.conf Message-ID: <4832D914020000D400009B1A@fs2.anwsu.org> Hi All, I'll do my best to explain my issue. I've successfully installed k12ltsp in the past. That was when I was at a small school, with my cable modem sitting beside my desk. I didn't have to worry about subnets, or changing the dhcpd.conf file. Here is my current situation: This is a three-building school district. The internet is piped into the high school, where we have a Sonicwall firewall set up. The high school used subnets 0,1, and 2. My building uses 3. The central office uses 4 and 5. I can't find any documentation that says what I have to do exactly, in a case like mine. All the computers in my building use a subnet of .3. I have Edubuntu with ltsp installed, I have a universal boot floppy written for clients. But I know I have to do something to configuration files to get clients to boot. Thanks Will *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you're not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. It is the policy of ANWSU not to discriminate on the basis or race, color, national origin, gender, disability, or gender orientation in its educational programs or activities, or in its employment policies as required by Title IX of the 1972 Educational Amendments, by Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, by Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and by Vermont State Law. From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Tue May 20 18:34:10 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:34:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp, subnets, dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <4832D914020000D400009B1A@fs2.anwsu.org> References: <4832D914020000D400009B1A@fs2.anwsu.org> Message-ID: <483319A2.7010701@biochemfluidics.com> If you want to have thin clients only on subnet 3, then it sounds like you should use a single-nic setup. This means, though, that the K12LTSP server will be acting as the DHCP server for the entire subnet. Make sure that is ok, and make sure there is no other DHCP server on that subnet. If you set it up like this, then the K12LTSP server can be located anywhere on your subnet and it will work. Just make sure it's giving out the correct IP addresses for your subnet. Also make sure that you define the proper gateway machine in dhcpd.conf. It will not be the K12LTSP server. It will be the IP address of the Sonicwall firewall. Now that I think of it, you'll also need to set the DNS server in dhcpd.conf too. -Rob Will Hatch wrote: > Hi All, > > I'll do my best to explain my issue. I've successfully installed k12ltsp in the past. That was when I was at a small school, with my cable modem sitting beside my desk. I didn't have to worry about subnets, or changing the dhcpd.conf file. Here is my current situation: > > This is a three-building school district. The internet is piped into the high school, where we have a Sonicwall firewall set up. The high school used subnets 0,1, and 2. My building uses 3. The central office uses 4 and 5. > > I can't find any documentation that says what I have to do exactly, in a case like mine. All the computers in my building use a subnet of .3. I have Edubuntu with ltsp installed, I have a universal boot floppy written for clients. But I know I have to do something to configuration files to get clients to boot. > > Thanks > Will > > *********************************** > PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you're not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. > It is the policy of ANWSU not to discriminate on the basis or race, color, national origin, gender, disability, or gender orientation in its educational programs or activities, or in its employment policies as required by Title IX of the 1972 Educational Amendments, by Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, by Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and by Vermont State Law. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From whatch at anwsu.org Tue May 20 18:40:50 2008 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:40:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp, subnets, dhcpd.conf Message-ID: <4832E2F2020000D400009B30@fs2.anwsu.org> Thanks for the quick reply Rob. You've focused in on one of my problems. The dhcp is served from the high school, as is dns. There are no plans to have dhcp served from my building. I do have two nics installed in the Edubuntu server, because that is the way I previously did it with k12ltsp. I'm a Educational Technology teacher, so networking is a work in progress. If I understand correctly, you can't have a dhcp server inside of a dhcp server. So there is nothing I can do to my Edubuntu server to make things work? >>> Rob Owens 05/20/08 2:34 PM >>> If you want to have thin clients only on subnet 3, then it sounds like you should use a single-nic setup. This means, though, that the K12LTSP server will be acting as the DHCP server for the entire subnet. Make sure that is ok, and make sure there is no other DHCP server on that subnet. If you set it up like this, then the K12LTSP server can be located anywhere on your subnet and it will work. Just make sure it's giving out the correct IP addresses for your subnet. Also make sure that you define the proper gateway machine in dhcpd.conf. It will not be the K12LTSP server. It will be the IP address of the Sonicwall firewall. Now that I think of it, you'll also need to set the DNS server in dhcpd.conf too. -Rob Will Hatch wrote: > Hi All, > > I'll do my best to explain my issue. I've successfully installed k12ltsp in the past. That was when I was at a small school, with my cable modem sitting beside my desk. I didn't have to worry about subnets, or changing the dhcpd.conf file. Here is my current situation: > > This is a three-building school district. The internet is piped into the high school, where we have a Sonicwall firewall set up. The high school used subnets 0,1, and 2. My building uses 3. The central office uses 4 and 5. > > I can't find any documentation that says what I have to do exactly, in a case like mine. All the computers in my building use a subnet of .3. I have Edubuntu with ltsp installed, I have a universal boot floppy written for clients. But I know I have to do something to configuration files to get clients to boot. > > Thanks > Will > > *********************************** > PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. 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It is the policy of ANWSU not to discriminate on the basis or race, color, national origin, gender, disability, or gender orientation in its educational programs or activities, or in its employment policies as required by Title IX of the 1972 Educational Amendments, by Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, by Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and by Vermont State Law. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 20 18:49:12 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:49:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp, subnets, dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <4832D914020000D400009B1A@fs2.anwsu.org> References: <4832D914020000D400009B1A@fs2.anwsu.org> Message-ID: <48331D28.4030508@paasda.org> You should be fine... put eth1 as 192.168.3.XYZ and leave eth0 as the default LTSP 192.168.0.254... since all of the thin-clients see the internet NAT'd through 192.168.3.XYZ you should be fine. --Huck Will Hatch wrote: > Hi All, > > I'll do my best to explain my issue. I've successfully installed k12ltsp in the past. That was when I was at a small school, with my cable modem sitting beside my desk. I didn't have to worry about subnets, or changing the dhcpd.conf file. Here is my current situation: > > This is a three-building school district. The internet is piped into the high school, where we have a Sonicwall firewall set up. The high school used subnets 0,1, and 2. My building uses 3. The central office uses 4 and 5. > > I can't find any documentation that says what I have to do exactly, in a case like mine. All the computers in my building use a subnet of .3. I have Edubuntu with ltsp installed, I have a universal boot floppy written for clients. But I know I have to do something to configuration files to get clients to boot. > > Thanks > Will > > *********************************** > PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you're not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. > It is the policy of ANWSU not to discriminate on the basis or race, color, national origin, gender, disability, or gender orientation in its educational programs or activities, or in its employment policies as required by Title IX of the 1972 Educational Amendments, by Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, by Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and by Vermont State Law. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 20 18:54:45 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:54:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp, subnets, dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <48331D28.4030508@paasda.org> References: <4832D914020000D400009B1A@fs2.anwsu.org> <48331D28.4030508@paasda.org> Message-ID: <48331E75.5050208@paasda.org> where ONLY your thin clients are plugged into the same switch as ETH0... if you are using them as dual-boot machines.. i.e. windows on the SCHOOL network...and then as LTSP clients on the edubuntu server...then just get layout like this: ---- ETH1 --- SWITCH from school EDUBUNTU SRV ---- switch ---- ETH0 --- SWITCH to all computers then take the wire from ETH0 and plug it into the school switch when you need the windows component on THEIR DHCP server.. *shrugs* ghetto poor-mans' solution with minimal configuration --Huck Huck wrote: > You should be fine... > > put eth1 as 192.168.3.XYZ and leave eth0 as the default LTSP > 192.168.0.254... > > since all of the thin-clients see the internet NAT'd through > 192.168.3.XYZ you should be fine. > > --Huck > > Will Hatch wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I'll do my best to explain my issue. I've successfully installed >> k12ltsp in the past. That was when I was at a small school, with my >> cable modem sitting beside my desk. I didn't have to worry about >> subnets, or changing the dhcpd.conf file. Here is my current situation: >> >> This is a three-building school district. The internet is piped into >> the high school, where we have a Sonicwall firewall set up. The high >> school used subnets 0,1, and 2. My building uses 3. The central >> office uses 4 and 5. >> I can't find any documentation that says what I have to do exactly, in >> a case like mine. All the computers in my building use a subnet of >> .3. I have Edubuntu with ltsp installed, I have a universal boot >> floppy written for clients. But I know I have to do something to >> configuration files to get clients to boot. >> Thanks >> Will >> >> *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This >> communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of >> addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged >> information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, >> disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If >> you're not the intended recipient, please notify the sender >> immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy >> all copies. It is the policy of ANWSU not to discriminate on the basis >> or race, color, national origin, gender, disability, or gender >> orientation in its educational programs or activities, or in its >> employment policies as required by Title IX of the 1972 Educational >> Amendments, by Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, by Title >> VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and by Vermont State Law. >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From cgrossko at wusd.org Tue May 20 18:55:43 2008 From: cgrossko at wusd.org (Cody Grosskopf) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:55:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp, subnets, dhcpd.conf Message-ID: <4832BC40020000BC0000BB63@wusdweb.wusd.org> You can also specify the thin clients by the mac address in the dhcpd.conf for example: host stu13 { hardware ethernet 00:80:64:6C:3A:4E; fixed-address 10.20.100.13; } Just make sure that you DO NOT specify a range in the dhcpd.conf file and you should be able to workaround having an authoritative DHCP server as well as the DHCP server for LTSP on the same subnet. >>> Huck 05/20/08 11:49 AM >>> You should be fine... put eth1 as 192.168.3.XYZ and leave eth0 as the default LTSP 192.168.0.254... since all of the thin-clients see the internet NAT'd through 192.168.3.XYZ you should be fine. --Huck Will Hatch wrote: > Hi All, > > I'll do my best to explain my issue. I've successfully installed k12ltsp in the past. That was when I was at a small school, with my cable modem sitting beside my desk. I didn't have to worry about subnets, or changing the dhcpd.conf file. Here is my current situation: > > This is a three-building school district. The internet is piped into the high school, where we have a Sonicwall firewall set up. The high school used subnets 0,1, and 2. My building uses 3. The central office uses 4 and 5. > > I can't find any documentation that says what I have to do exactly, in a case like mine. All the computers in my building use a subnet of .3. I have Edubuntu with ltsp installed, I have a universal boot floppy written for clients. But I know I have to do something to configuration files to get clients to boot. > > Thanks > Will > > *********************************** > PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you're not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. > It is the policy of ANWSU not to discriminate on the basis or race, color, national origin, gender, disability, or gender orientation in its educational programs or activities, or in its employment policies as required by Title IX of the 1972 Educational Amendments, by Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, by Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and by Vermont State Law. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue May 20 18:59:28 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:59:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp, subnets, dhcpd.conf Message-ID: <40944.216.24.126.66.1211309968.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Will, You can setup your Ubuntu server exactly as Huck suggested. You CAN run both your existing Winders dhcp server as it is, providing your change the running port ( to 1067) for dhcp on your Ubuntu / K12LTSP server as documented in the following article: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t Of course this is ONLY going to dish out dhcp for your K12ltsp thin clients. I am not sure this is going to be feasible for your situation? I have one server setup this way at one of our schools. You also have to change the port number on each clients boot floppy( or whatever method they are booting) as well. It works very well once you see all the correct configs. It DOES end up being extra legwork on your part for sure. The Winders boxes will never be aware that there is an Linux server dishing out dhcp with thes setup. Let us know your progress. Take Care, Barry Cisna From les at futuresource.com Tue May 20 20:33:41 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:33:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp, subnets, dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <4832BC40020000BC0000BB63@wusdweb.wusd.org> References: <4832BC40020000BC0000BB63@wusdweb.wusd.org> Message-ID: <483335A5.8030809@futuresource.com> Cody Grosskopf wrote: > You can also specify the thin clients by the mac address in the > dhcpd.conf for example: > > host stu13 { > hardware ethernet 00:80:64:6C:3A:4E; > fixed-address 10.20.100.13; > } > > Just make sure that you DO NOT specify a range in the dhcpd.conf file > and you should be able to workaround having an authoritative DHCP server > as well as the DHCP server for LTSP on the same subnet. Unless the other DHCP server also ties everything to a different set of specific mac addresses you'll have the problem that it may answer from a range before this one responds. You need to either run on a different port with a matching boot floppy, or have one dhcp server supply all the options (which won't hurt the machines that don't need them) or put the clients on a different subnet. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From nils at breun.nl Tue May 20 21:32:41 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:32:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp, subnets, dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <4832D914020000D400009B1A@fs2.anwsu.org> References: <4832D914020000D400009B1A@fs2.anwsu.org> Message-ID: <15A7C8FC-530A-45C1-BA3E-A7952C8872F8@breun.nl> Will Hatch wrote: > I'll do my best to explain my issue. I've successfully installed > k12ltsp in the past. That was when I was at a small school, with my > cable modem sitting beside my desk. I didn't have to worry about > subnets, or changing the dhcpd.conf file. Here is my current > situation: > > This is a three-building school district. The internet is piped > into the high school, where we have a Sonicwall firewall set up. > The high school used subnets 0,1, and 2. My building uses 3. The > central office uses 4 and 5. > > I can't find any documentation that says what I have to do exactly, > in a case like mine. All the computers in my building use a subnet > of .3. I have Edubuntu with ltsp installed, I have a universal boot > floppy written for clients. But I know I have to do something to > configuration files to get clients to boot. If you use a dual NIC setup on your K12LTSP server it shouldn't matter that there are different subnets. Just make sure you attach the switch for your thin clients to the NIC that does the DHCP for LTSP and that you connect the other NIC to the school network for internet access. If you do it the other way around things won't work and you'll be running a second DHCP on the subnet, which other machines (and people) are not going to like. Nils Breunese. From lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us Tue May 20 21:38:07 2008 From: lnkemp at bolivar.k12.mo.us (Kemp, Levi) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:38:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp, subnets, dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <15A7C8FC-530A-45C1-BA3E-A7952C8872F8@breun.nl> Message-ID: That is the simplest way to get it done. One thing that might help is knowing the location of your thin clients. Are they going to be scattered throughout the building or in one room? If it's one room Nils hit it right on, just do a default setup with two nics and you're set. If they are scattered then you will have to do more work. Levi > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Nils Breunese > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:33 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ltsp, subnets, dhcpd.conf > > Will Hatch wrote: > > > I'll do my best to explain my issue. I've successfully installed > > k12ltsp in the past. That was when I was at a small > school, with my > > cable modem sitting beside my desk. I didn't have to worry about > > subnets, or changing the dhcpd.conf file. Here is my current > > situation: > > > > This is a three-building school district. The internet is piped > > into the high school, where we have a Sonicwall firewall set up. > > The high school used subnets 0,1, and 2. My building uses 3. The > > central office uses 4 and 5. > > > > I can't find any documentation that says what I have to do > exactly, in > > a case like mine. All the computers in my building use a subnet of > > .3. I have Edubuntu with ltsp installed, I have a universal boot > > floppy written for clients. But I know I have to do something to > > configuration files to get clients to boot. > > If you use a dual NIC setup on your K12LTSP server it > shouldn't matter that there are different subnets. Just make > sure you attach the switch for your thin clients to the NIC > that does the DHCP for LTSP and that you connect the other > NIC to the school network for internet access. > If you do it the other way around things won't work and > you'll be running a second DHCP on the subnet, which other > machines (and people) are not going to like. > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rowens at ptd.net Tue May 20 22:15:01 2008 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:15:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp, subnets, dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <4832E2F2020000D400009B30@fs2.anwsu.org> References: <4832E2F2020000D400009B30@fs2.anwsu.org> Message-ID: <20080520221501.GB32599@junker.owens.net> So far everybody has given you correct advice, but which advice you use will depend on what setup you want. Do you want to have thin clients all over the place on your subnet, or do you want to have a bunch of them in one room? It's probably going to be easiest in your case to use a 2-nic setup. One nic is on "subnet 3", and the other serves your thin clients. You could place the K12LTSP server between the Sonicwall machine and the rest of the network, thereby eliminating the problem of having 2 DHCP servers (the K12LTSP server would serve DHCP to subnet 3, and the Sonicwall machine would only serve DHCP to the K12LTSP server itself). -Rob On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 02:40:50PM -0400, Will Hatch wrote: > Thanks for the quick reply Rob. You've focused in on one of my problems. The dhcp is served from the high school, as is dns. There are no plans to have dhcp served from my building. I do have two nics installed in the Edubuntu server, because that is the way I previously did it with k12ltsp. I'm a Educational Technology teacher, so networking is a work in progress. If I understand correctly, you can't have a dhcp server inside of a dhcp server. So there is nothing I can do to my Edubuntu server to make things work? > > >>> Rob Owens 05/20/08 2:34 PM >>> > If you want to have thin clients only on subnet 3, then it sounds like > you should use a single-nic setup. This means, though, that the K12LTSP > server will be acting as the DHCP server for the entire subnet. Make > sure that is ok, and make sure there is no other DHCP server on that > subnet. > > If you set it up like this, then the K12LTSP server can be located > anywhere on your subnet and it will work. Just make sure it's giving > out the correct IP addresses for your subnet. Also make sure that you > define the proper gateway machine in dhcpd.conf. It will not be the > K12LTSP server. It will be the IP address of the Sonicwall firewall. > Now that I think of it, you'll also need to set the DNS server in > dhcpd.conf too. > > -Rob > > Will Hatch wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I'll do my best to explain my issue. I've successfully installed k12ltsp in the past. That was when I was at a small school, with my cable modem sitting beside my desk. I didn't have to worry about subnets, or changing the dhcpd.conf file. Here is my current situation: > > > > This is a three-building school district. The internet is piped into the high school, where we have a Sonicwall firewall set up. The high school used subnets 0,1, and 2. My building uses 3. The central office uses 4 and 5. > > > > I can't find any documentation that says what I have to do exactly, in a case like mine. All the computers in my building use a subnet of .3. I have Edubuntu with ltsp installed, I have a universal boot floppy written for clients. But I know I have to do something to configuration files to get clients to boot. > > > > Thanks > > Will > > > > *********************************** > > PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. 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If you're not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. > It is the policy of ANWSU not to discriminate on the basis or race, color, national origin, gender, disability, or gender orientation in its educational programs or activities, or in its employment policies as required by Title IX of the 1972 Educational Amendments, by Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, by Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and by Vermont State Law. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Tue May 20 22:35:59 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:35:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] easy user interface for students/teachers? In-Reply-To: <3fabbdc20805201000x48e4e90bqaa7068b50f569c26@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fabbdc20805201000x48e4e90bqaa7068b50f569c26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Leo Willems wrote: > easy user interface for students/teachers? > > You might have seen the easy user interface of the Asus EEE that comes > with its Xandros OS. > I searching for a similar 'tab' based interface that makes it easy for > students to navigate the system and start applications. > The interface could be configured accroding to their usegroup (agegroup). I believe the eee is using a customized icewm setup. Checkout the icewm website for customizing the menu. You could put a customized menu file in each specific users home dir -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Wed May 21 19:39:41 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:39:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] printers Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880565857C@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Is there a detailed document on how to setup printers. The link below from the k12ltsp web site does not work: http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:Installation_Steps# Setup_Printers Even if I log onto the server the printer configuration tool lists the printers in "browsed queues" but the edit command is deactivated. We have an HP 3200 printer directly attached to one client that is printing in poor quality from the web, even though the CUPS test print looks great. Could the poor printing from the web be driver related? I would like to know how to add a new printer, both local and networked, and how to update drivers. Marc From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Wed May 21 20:34:43 2008 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:34:43 -0400 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20printers?= References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880565857C@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <20080521T163443Z_40D100070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Try system-config-printers, launch it from xterm. >>> "Marc Fromm" 2008-05-21 15:39:41 >>> Is there a detailed document on how to setup printers. The link below from the k12ltsp web site does not work: http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:Installation_Steps# Setup_Printers Even if I log onto the server the printer configuration tool lists the printers in "browsed queues" but the edit command is deactivated. We have an HP 3200 printer directly attached to one client that is printing in poor quality from the web, even though the CUPS test print looks great. Could the poor printing from the web be driver related? I would like to know how to add a new printer, both local and networked, and how to update drivers. Marc _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Could the poor printing from the web be driver related? > > I would like to know how to add a new printer, both local and networked, > and how to update drivers. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu Wed May 21 20:48:21 2008 From: jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu (JOSEPH O'BRIEN) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:48:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] M2NPV motherboard and PXE Message-ID: Any advice? I'm having trouble getting a Asus M2NPV motherboard to connect to a K12LTSP server (CentOS 5). PXE gets an IP fine, but when it tries to run DHCP the second time it fails with an undetected network card. I've booted to a live cd and it is using the forcedeth driver fine so I added NIC=forcedeth to /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/config. Doing that I get an "ERROR! dhcpd failed!" after it loads the forcedeth module. Suggestions? --thx --joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Wed May 21 23:18:35 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:18:35 -0700 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_R=E9p=2E_=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_printers?= In-Reply-To: <48348986.9080002@paasda.org> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880565857C@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu><20080521T163443Z_40D100070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <48348986.9080002@paasda.org> Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B46DE@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> I could not see an option to update drivers or include drivers for non listed printers. Is there a way to do this? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:44 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: R?p. : [K12OSN] printers http://localhost:631/ that puts you into the CUPS administration page for managing printers and jobs. --Huck Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Try system-config-printers, launch it from xterm. > > > > >>> "Marc Fromm" 2008-05-21 15:39:41 >>> > Is there a detailed document on how to setup printers. > The link below from the k12ltsp web site does not work: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:Installation_Steps# > Setup_Printers > > Even if I log onto the server the printer configuration tool lists the > printers in "browsed queues" but the edit command is deactivated. > > We have an HP 3200 printer directly attached to one client that is > printing in poor quality from the web, even though the CUPS test print > looks great. Could the poor printing from the web be driver related? > > I would like to know how to add a new printer, both local and networked, > and how to update drivers. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From willems.leo at googlemail.com Thu May 22 00:13:04 2008 From: willems.leo at googlemail.com (Leo Willems) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:13:04 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] M2NPV motherboard and PXE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3fabbdc20805211713y1c630f21h765158573f5cf3b9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/22 JOSEPH O'BRIEN : > Any advice? I'm having trouble getting a Asus M2NPV motherboard to connect > to a K12LTSP server (CentOS 5). PXE gets an IP fine, but when it tries to > run DHCP the second time it fails with an undetected network card. I've > booted to a live cd and it is using the forcedeth driver fine so I added > NIC=forcedeth to /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/config. Doing that I get an > "ERROR! dhcpd failed!" after it loads the forcedeth module. Suggestions? > > --thx > --joe Joe, an alternative would be to use Etherboot with a PCI NIC and floppy disk. From robark at gmail.com Thu May 22 01:38:47 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 18:38:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Redirecting sound using esd (fun stuff) Message-ID: Just thought I would share a cool learning experience with the list. Today one of my students played a youtube video (with sound) on his client computer which did NOT have speakers. He did it by redirecting the sound esd stream to another client computer which did have speakers. Here's how he did it. $esdmon -s source_hostname | esdcat > esdrec -s dest_hostname Of course, it works for more than just youtube. You can also redirect things like ogg123 -d esd song.ogg You can even eavesdrop on other students by redirecting (copying in this case) their sound stream to yourself. Pretty sneaky. BTW I'm still using k12ltsp 4EL (ltsp 4.1) Does this hack work on ltsp 4.2 or 5? -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From steven at simplycircus.com Thu May 22 02:35:29 2008 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:35:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Redirecting sound using esd (fun stuff) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wouldn't this be an interesting thing to add to teacherltool... _____ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:39 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Redirecting sound using esd (fun stuff) > > > Just thought I would share a cool learning experience with the list. > > Today one of my students played a youtube video (with sound) on his > client computer which did NOT have speakers. He did it by redirecting > the sound esd stream to another client computer which did have > speakers. Here's how he did it. > > $esdmon -s source_hostname | esdcat > esdrec -s dest_hostname > > Of course, it works for more than just youtube. You can also redirect > things like ogg123 -d esd song.ogg > > You can even eavesdrop on other students by redirecting (copying in > this case) their sound stream to yourself. Pretty sneaky. > > BTW I'm still using k12ltsp 4EL (ltsp 4.1) Does this hack work on > ltsp 4.2 or 5? > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu May 22 10:45:17 2008 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:45:17 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] glib-devel-1.2.10-23.fc6.rpm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200805221145.18540.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Greetings & Felicitations! does anybody know where I can obtain glib-devel-1.2.10-23.fc6.rpm, or if you have this specific rpm, could you please email it to me? The closest that I have found is http://rpm.sh-linux.org/rpm-fc6/extras/RPMS/sh4/glib-devel-1.2.10-23.fc6.sh4.rpm but the server on which is resides is perpetually down. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From nils at breun.nl Thu May 22 10:56:10 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:56:10 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] glib-devel-1.2.10-23.fc6.rpm In-Reply-To: <200805221145.18540.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <200805221145.18540.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <897F3CA4-5A59-42FC-A48C-301E5203CAE1@breun.nl> Martin Woolley wrote: > does anybody know where I can obtain glib-devel-1.2.10-23.fc6.rpm, > or if you > have this specific rpm, could you please email it to me? > The closest that I have found is > http://rpm.sh-linux.org/rpm-fc6/extras/RPMS/sh4/glib-devel-1.2.10-23.fc6.sh4.rpm > but the server on which is resides is perpetually down. There is no glib-devel package in the official Fedora Core 6 repository (http://download.fedoraproject.org/ > core > 6 > i386 >os > Fedora > RPMS). Are you running K12LTSP/Fedora Core 6? Are you sure you need this package? What for? Nils Breunese. From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu May 22 12:56:45 2008 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:56:45 -0400 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20printers?= References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880565857C@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <20080521T163443Z_40D100070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <48348986.9080002@paasda.org> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B46DE@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <20080522T085645Z_40D100070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Try here: http://www.cups.org/ppd.php P.S. if you cannot find your printer driver, check out the manual, they may be compatible with other printers like HP laserjets series. What is the make/model of your printer? >>> "Marc Fromm" 2008-05-21 19:18:35 >>> I could not see an option to update drivers or include drivers for non listed printers. Is there a way to do this? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:44 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: R?p. : [K12OSN] printers http://localhost:631/ that puts you into the CUPS administration page for managing printers and jobs. --Huck Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Try system-config-printers, launch it from xterm. > > > > >>> "Marc Fromm" 2008-05-21 15:39:41 >>> > Is there a detailed document on how to setup printers. > The link below from the k12ltsp web site does not work: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:Installation_Steps# > Setup_Printers > > Even if I log onto the server the printer configuration tool lists the > printers in "browsed queues" but the edit command is deactivated. > > We have an HP 3200 printer directly attached to one client that is > printing in poor quality from the web, even though the CUPS test print > looks great. Could the poor printing from the web be driver related? > > I would like to know how to add a new printer, both local and networked, > and how to update drivers. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I this motherboard > is not compatible then I will look for a different board, but I'd still like > to know why it's failing. > > --thx > --joe > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Thu May 22 17:05:45 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:05:45 -0700 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_R=E9p=2E_=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_printers?= In-Reply-To: <20080522T085645Z_40D100070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880565857C@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu><20080521T163443Z_40D100070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca><48348986.9080002@paasda.org><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B46DE@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <20080522T085645Z_40D100070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4921@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> One printer is an HPLJ3200. The other printer is an HPDeskJet6940 which is not in the list of printer drivers in cups. HP directs me to a site with a file called HPLIP. HPLIP is not currently installed on the server thus I know my driver list is not from that. If I upgrade cups, will that give me an updated driver list? ________________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Guy-Michel Lessard Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:57 AM To: schools., Support list for open source software in Subject: RE: R?p. : [K12OSN] printers Try here: http://www.cups.org/ppd.php ? P.S. if you cannot find your printer driver, check out the manual, they may be compatible with other printers like HP laserjets series. What is the make/model of your printer? >>> "Marc Fromm" 2008-05-21 19:18:35 >>> I could not see an option to update drivers or include drivers for non listed printers. Is there a way to do this? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:44 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: R?p. : [K12OSN] printers http://localhost:631/ that puts you into the CUPS administration page for managing printers and jobs. --Huck Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Try system-config-printers, launch it from xterm. >? > > >? >>> "Marc Fromm" 2008-05-21 15:39:41 >>> > Is there a detailed document on how to setup printers. > The link below from the k12ltsp web site does not work: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Technical:Installation_Steps# > Setup_Printers > > Even if I log onto the server the printer configuration tool lists the > printers in "browsed queues" but the edit command is deactivated. > > We have an HP 3200 printer directly attached to one client that is > printing in poor quality from the web, even though the CUPS test print > looks great. Could the poor printing from the web be driver related? > > I would like to know how to add a new printer, both local and networked, > and how to update drivers. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Thu May 22 17:39:45 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:39:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Are the usb ports disabled on the client machines in k12ltsp CentOS? I have plugged in a usb thumb drive and a printer into a client and neither are detected. I plugged the same usb thumb drive into the server box and it was detected. I added the printer using the CUPS web interface localhots:631. I used Device URI: socket://finaid70:9100 In /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf I added the entry: [finaid70] PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/usb/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = U HOT_PLUG =Y LOCAL_DEVICE_01 =/dev/fd0 LOCAL_DEVICE_02 =/dev/sda1:usb ALLOW_UNKNOWN_USB =Y Marc From nils at breun.nl Thu May 22 17:52:02 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:52:02 +0200 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_R=E9p._:_[K12OSN]_printers?= In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4921@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880565857C@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu><20080521T163443Z_40D100070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca><48348986.9080002@paasda.org><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B46DE@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <20080522T085645Z_40D100070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4921@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: Marc Fromm wrote: > One printer is an HPLJ3200. The other printer is an HPDeskJet6940 > which is not in the list of printer drivers in cups. > HP directs me to a site with a file called HPLIP. HPLIP is not > currently installed on the server thus I know my driver list is not > from that. HPLIP (HP Linux Imaging and Printing) is used by CUPS. If HPLIP is not installed, you can install it: yum install hplip Nils Breunese. From nils at breun.nl Thu May 22 17:53:11 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:53:11 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: Marc Fromm wrote: > Are the usb ports disabled on the client machines in k12ltsp CentOS? They work just fine on our clients. Nils Breunese. From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Thu May 22 18:06:33 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:06:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: > Are the usb ports disabled on the client machines in k12ltsp CentOS? > I have plugged in a usb thumb drive and a printer into a client and > neither are detected. I plugged the same usb thumb drive into the server > box and it was detected. > They work for me, but users need to be in the Fuse group. > I added the printer using the CUPS web interface localhots:631. > I used Device URI: socket://finaid70:9100 Is this correct? Isn't it socket://IP_address_thin_client:9100 or socket://hostname_of_thin_client:9100 (which are typically 192.168.x.y and ws###.ltsp for the base install). We have 80+ printers connected to thin clients and they work fine but we are using the parallel port for the printers, not the usb port. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Thu May 22 18:37:34 2008 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:37:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Redirecting sound using esd (fun stuff) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4835BD6E.1070809@gmail.com> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Just thought I would share a cool learning experience with the list. > > Today one of my students played a youtube video (with sound) on his > client computer which did NOT have speakers. He did it by redirecting > the sound esd stream to another client computer which did have > speakers. Here's how he did it. > > $esdmon -s source_hostname | esdcat > esdrec -s dest_hostname > > Of course, it works for more than just youtube. You can also redirect > things like ogg123 -d esd song.ogg > > You can even eavesdrop on other students by redirecting (copying in > this case) their sound stream to yourself. Pretty sneaky. > > BTW I'm still using k12ltsp 4EL (ltsp 4.1) Does this hack work on ltsp 4.2 or 5? > It can be made to work in 4.2, but you may also be aware that this "feature" is ripe for abuse; students randomly redirecting sound all through the lab, disrupting legitimate activities etc. A very noisy DOS attack. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Thu May 22 18:17:56 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:17:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices In-Reply-To: References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B49E8@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> I'm setting up a new k12ltsp server. Our current server (not setup by me) has USB printer directly attached to a client and it is setup in CUPS using Device URI socket://finaid76:9100 since that client is always logged on with user account finaid76. The lts.conf file has an entry [finaid76] PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/usb/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = U Since there are no clear instructions with printers I am duplicating configurations that currently work. For USB thumb drives, what is the Fuse group? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Hopkins Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:07 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices > Are the usb ports disabled on the client machines in k12ltsp CentOS? > I have plugged in a usb thumb drive and a printer into a client and > neither are detected. I plugged the same usb thumb drive into the server > box and it was detected. > They work for me, but users need to be in the Fuse group. > I added the printer using the CUPS web interface localhots:631. > I used Device URI: socket://finaid70:9100 Is this correct? Isn't it socket://IP_address_thin_client:9100 or socket://hostname_of_thin_client:9100 (which are typically 192.168.x.y and ws###.ltsp for the base install). We have 80+ printers connected to thin clients and they work fine but we are using the parallel port for the printers, not the usb port. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Thu May 22 19:02:55 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:02:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B49E8@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B49E8@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Marc Fromm wrote: > I'm setting up a new k12ltsp server. Our current server (not setup by > me) has USB printer directly attached to a client and it is setup in > CUPS using Device URI socket://finaid76:9100 since that client is always > logged on with user account finaid76. > > The lts.conf file has an entry > [finaid76] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/usb/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = U > > Since there are no clear instructions with printers I am duplicating > configurations that currently work. Ah ... a beginning point for printers is http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers The 'trick' is that you need to add a DHCP reservation for each thin client that will have a printer attached to ensure that the thin client always has the same IP address and hostname. > > For USB thumb drives, what is the Fuse group? In looking at the latest docs for ltsp on ltsp.org's wiki, it seems that this might not be needed. but for my systems, I had to create a user group called fuse and add all my users to it so that the drives were automounted correctly. Since it worked, I've kept adding users to this group. Fuse should be part of the main kernel now, but if not CentOS should be similar to http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS#Installing_FUSE_on_Fedora_Core Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of David Hopkins > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:07 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices > >> Are the usb ports disabled on the client machines in k12ltsp CentOS? >> I have plugged in a usb thumb drive and a printer into a client and >> neither are detected. I plugged the same usb thumb drive into the > server >> box and it was detected. >> > > They work for me, but users need to be in the Fuse group. > >> I added the printer using the CUPS web interface localhots:631. >> I used Device URI: socket://finaid70:9100 > > Is this correct? Isn't it socket://IP_address_thin_client:9100 or > socket://hostname_of_thin_client:9100 (which are typically 192.168.x.y > and ws###.ltsp for the base install). We have 80+ printers connected > to thin clients and they work fine but we are using the parallel port > for the printers, not the usb port. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nils at breun.nl Thu May 22 19:45:03 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 21:45:03 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices In-Reply-To: References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B49E8@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <34DD2B3A-1F72-4AA8-9A0A-9D1ED6C57EC1@breun.nl> David Hopkins wrote: >> For USB thumb drives, what is the Fuse group? > > In looking at the latest docs for ltsp on ltsp.org's wiki, it seems > that this might not be needed. but for my systems, I had to create a > user group called fuse and add all my users to it so that the drives > were automounted correctly. Since it worked, I've kept adding users to > this group. > > Fuse should be part of the main kernel now, but if not CentOS should > be similar to http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS#Installing_FUSE_on_Fedora_Core Running K12LTSP 5EL, I did not need to install fuse myself or add any users to the fuse group. It just works. Nils Breunese. From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Thu May 22 22:40:42 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:40:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices In-Reply-To: References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4BAB@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Something must be turned off on the server for local printers. I can add and print to a network printer both from a client and the server. It appears that I can add a local printer, but I cannot print to the local printer attached to either the client or the server. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Nils Breunese Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:53 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices Marc Fromm wrote: > Are the usb ports disabled on the client machines in k12ltsp CentOS? They work just fine on our clients. Nils Breunese. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Thu May 22 22:50:32 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:50:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices In-Reply-To: References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B49E8@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4BC6@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> All my systems have a DHCP reservation, as listed in the example below. My setup is a frsh install of the latest K12LTSP CentOS 5 EL. Was there something to select during the install? vi dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf host finaid70 { hardware ethernet 00:B0:D0:C3:0C:A6; fixed-address 140.160.xxx.xxx; filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Hopkins Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:03 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Marc Fromm wrote: > I'm setting up a new k12ltsp server. Our current server (not setup by > me) has USB printer directly attached to a client and it is setup in > CUPS using Device URI socket://finaid76:9100 since that client is always > logged on with user account finaid76. > > The lts.conf file has an entry > [finaid76] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/usb/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = U > > Since there are no clear instructions with printers I am duplicating > configurations that currently work. Ah ... a beginning point for printers is http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers The 'trick' is that you need to add a DHCP reservation for each thin client that will have a printer attached to ensure that the thin client always has the same IP address and hostname. > > For USB thumb drives, what is the Fuse group? In looking at the latest docs for ltsp on ltsp.org's wiki, it seems that this might not be needed. but for my systems, I had to create a user group called fuse and add all my users to it so that the drives were automounted correctly. Since it worked, I've kept adding users to this group. Fuse should be part of the main kernel now, but if not CentOS should be similar to http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS#Installing_FUSE_on_Fedora _Core Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of David Hopkins > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:07 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices > >> Are the usb ports disabled on the client machines in k12ltsp CentOS? >> I have plugged in a usb thumb drive and a printer into a client and >> neither are detected. I plugged the same usb thumb drive into the > server >> box and it was detected. >> > > They work for me, but users need to be in the Fuse group. > >> I added the printer using the CUPS web interface localhots:631. >> I used Device URI: socket://finaid70:9100 > > Is this correct? Isn't it socket://IP_address_thin_client:9100 or > socket://hostname_of_thin_client:9100 (which are typically 192.168.x.y > and ws###.ltsp for the base install). We have 80+ printers connected > to thin clients and they work fine but we are using the parallel port > for the printers, not the usb port. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Fri May 23 10:49:55 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 06:49:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4BC6@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B49E8@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4BC6@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <4836A153.6050103@biochemfluidics.com> On my system, I needed to set: use-host-decl-names on; in dhcpd.conf for the section where the printer-attached workstations reside. Give that a try and restart dhcp. -Rob Marc Fromm wrote: > All my systems have a DHCP reservation, as listed in the example below. > My setup is a frsh install of the latest K12LTSP CentOS 5 EL. > Was there something to select during the install? > vi dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf > host finaid70 { > hardware ethernet 00:B0:D0:C3:0C:A6; > fixed-address 140.160.xxx.xxx; > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of David Hopkins > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:03 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices > > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Marc Fromm wrote: >> I'm setting up a new k12ltsp server. Our current server (not setup by >> me) has USB printer directly attached to a client and it is setup in >> CUPS using Device URI socket://finaid76:9100 since that client is > always >> logged on with user account finaid76. >> >> The lts.conf file has an entry >> [finaid76] >> PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/usb/lp0 >> PRINTER_0_TYPE = U >> >> Since there are no clear instructions with printers I am duplicating >> configurations that currently work. > > Ah ... a beginning point for printers is > http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers > > The 'trick' is that you need to add a DHCP reservation for each thin > client that will have a printer attached to ensure that the thin > client always has the same IP address and hostname. > >> For USB thumb drives, what is the Fuse group? > > In looking at the latest docs for ltsp on ltsp.org's wiki, it seems > that this might not be needed. but for my systems, I had to create a > user group called fuse and add all my users to it so that the drives > were automounted correctly. Since it worked, I've kept adding users to > this group. > > Fuse should be part of the main kernel now, but if not CentOS should > be similar to > http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS#Installing_FUSE_on_Fedora > _Core > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of David Hopkins >> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:07 AM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices >> >>> Are the usb ports disabled on the client machines in k12ltsp CentOS? >>> I have plugged in a usb thumb drive and a printer into a client and >>> neither are detected. I plugged the same usb thumb drive into the >> server >>> box and it was detected. >>> >> They work for me, but users need to be in the Fuse group. >> >>> I added the printer using the CUPS web interface localhots:631. >>> I used Device URI: socket://finaid70:9100 >> Is this correct? Isn't it socket://IP_address_thin_client:9100 or >> socket://hostname_of_thin_client:9100 (which are typically 192.168.x.y >> and ws###.ltsp for the base install). We have 80+ printers connected >> to thin clients and they work fine but we are using the parallel port >> for the printers, not the usb port. >> >> Sincerely, >> Dave Hopkins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Now I would like to try to integrate into our network. That means: - an already existing seperate dhcp server - an already existing seperate tftp server - a new ltsp server I can configure (for now) that when my client does a pxe boot it gets the correct tftp server: host linutop.UGent.be { fixed-address 157.193.39.120; hardware ethernet 00:40:ca:a2:9f:91; next-server wopr; filename "pxelinux.0"; } wopr is the tftp server My pxe config file has: wopr:/srv/tftp/fai/pxelinux.cfg# cat 9DC12778 DEFAULT linutop ro initrd=linutop.img quiet splash When I pxe boot the client it finds the linutop kernel and linutop.img file. But then I fail into the busybox shell. I clearly haven't configured where he needs to get his root file system. From the ltsp server. How do I this? I thought I should be able to do that from the pxelinux.cf directory. Thank you in advance, -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rudy Gevaert Rudy.Gevaert at UGent.be tel:+32 9 264 4734 Directie ICT, afd. Infrastructuur ICT Department, Infrastructure office Groep Systemen Systems group Universiteit Gent Ghent University Krijgslaan 281, gebouw S9, 9000 Gent, Belgie www.UGent.be -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From les at futuresource.com Fri May 23 14:36:55 2008 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:36:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CD boot to thin client or NX? Message-ID: <4836D687.5030504@futuresource.com> I'd like to be able to boot some old laptops into something like a kiosk mode with a browser or other application started automatically, running diskless and with pcmcia network cards. Is anyone aware of a boot CD that works that way or will it take some customization? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Fri May 23 15:33:53 2008 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:33:53 -0400 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20CD=20boot=20to=20thin=20clie?= =?UTF-8?Q?nt=20or=20NX=3F?= References: <4836D687.5030504@futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20080523T113353Z_40D100070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> http://www.kioskcd.com/ >>> Les Mikesell 2008-05-23 10:36:55 >>> I'd like to be able to boot some old laptops into something like a kiosk mode with a browser or other application started automatically, running diskless and with pcmcia network cards. Is anyone aware of a boot CD that works that way or will it take some customization? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat May 24 13:13:18 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 08:13:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop shows gray x Message-ID: <1211634798.1849.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello List, Since upgrading our home K12LTSP server to EL5, when I try and rdesktop by CTL-ALT-F3 to one of our schools server ( either WIN2000 or WIN2003), I now get the ol' gray 'x'. I can telnet to this server on port 3389 ,no probs and connect. I used to get the gray X in this fashion before, IF this particular server was turned off at school . I can use the terminal server client in K12ltsp and connect fine to any of our school servers. Would anyone know how to go about troubleshooting this? As I said I can use the terminal server client fine. I am just curious what I have wrong? I can drop to a shell, no probs with CTL-ALT-F2. My config lts.conf : SCREEN_03 = rdesktop RDP_SERVER = public_ip_address_server2000 RDP_OPTIONS = -f -d domainxyz # I have found without changing to -f I don't even get the gray "x" if the above -f is -F (default)- ( uppercase)? This is from past experience. Take care, Barry Cisna From nils at breun.nl Sat May 24 14:05:41 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 16:05:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop shows gray x In-Reply-To: <1211634798.1849.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1211634798.1849.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Barry R Cisna wrote: > Since upgrading our home K12LTSP server to EL5, when I try and > rdesktop > by CTL-ALT-F3 to one of our schools server ( either WIN2000 or > WIN2003), > I now get the ol' gray 'x'. I can telnet to this server on port > 3389 ,no > probs and connect. I used to get the gray X in this fashion before, IF > this particular server was turned off at school . I can use the > terminal > server client in K12ltsp and connect fine to any of our school > servers. > Would anyone know how to go about troubleshooting this? As I said I > can > use the terminal server client fine. I am just curious what I have > wrong? I can drop to a shell, no probs with CTL-ALT-F2. My config > lts.conf : > > SCREEN_03 = rdesktop > RDP_SERVER = public_ip_address_server2000 > RDP_OPTIONS = -f -d domainxyz > > # I have found without changing to -f I don't even get the gray "x" if > the above -f is -F (default)- ( uppercase)? This is from past > experience. See rdesktop --help for the options. Apparently -f means 'full-screen mode'. There doesn't seem to be an -F option. Nils Breunese. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat May 24 14:22:57 2008 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:22:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop shows gray x In-Reply-To: <1211634798.1849.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1211634798.1849.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9bd317560805240722o2db2c811xbd8f182881ee3217@mail.gmail.com> I ran into that too. This is not an answer but a workaround. For the terminal that requires screen_01 to be rdesktop, I have that terminal set to boot an older ltsp4.1 tree. Peter On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Since upgrading our home K12LTSP server to EL5, when I try and rdesktop > by CTL-ALT-F3 to one of our schools server ( either WIN2000 or WIN2003), > I now get the ol' gray 'x'. I can telnet to this server on port 3389 ,no > probs and connect. I used to get the gray X in this fashion before, IF > this particular server was turned off at school . I can use the terminal > server client in K12ltsp and connect fine to any of our school servers. > Would anyone know how to go about troubleshooting this? As I said I can > use the terminal server client fine. I am just curious what I have > wrong? I can drop to a shell, no probs with CTL-ALT-F2. My config > lts.conf : > > SCREEN_03 = rdesktop > RDP_SERVER = public_ip_address_server2000 > RDP_OPTIONS = -f -d domainxyz > > # I have found without changing to -f I don't even get the gray "x" if > the above -f is -F (default)- ( uppercase)? This is from past > experience. > > Take care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nils at breun.nl Sat May 24 14:26:41 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 16:26:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtualized Windows on K12LTSP Message-ID: <0C320076-5007-49BC-85F2-800699F66CA4@breun.nl> Hello all, I have a pretty beefy K12LTSP 5EL 64-bit server setup with about 10 thin clients attached. This is working fine, but there is one legacy Windows application my users need. I kept a couple of Windows XP installations around which they can use for this application, but I'd like to get rid of those machines. There have been some attempts at getting the application to work under Wine, but no luck so far. I'm thinking of setting up a virtual Windows XP machine on the K12LTSP server. The server is a Dell PowerEdge 2900 with a quad-core Intel Xeon E5320 1.86 GHz (which supports Intel's VT virtualization extension) and 4 GB RAM. What virtualization method would people recommend for doing this? KVM, QEMU (+kqemu/qvm86), VirtualBox, VMware Server, Xen? I think Xen is the only method that's available from the K12LTSP/CentOS repositories, right? Plus it's open source. I have used VMware Server on a desktop machine in the past for testing. Is anybody else running a virtual Windows installation on K12LTSP? How did you go about this? Thanks, Nils Breunese. From pnelson.k12 at gmail.com Sat May 24 16:01:23 2008 From: pnelson.k12 at gmail.com (Paul Nelson) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 09:01:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 9 LTSP install guide, walkthrough, manual... In-Reply-To: <645415b20805160454v4ffbc949w31de63b79eb8ebc6@mail.gmail.com> References: <645415b20805160454v4ffbc949w31de63b79eb8ebc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <508f42dc0805240901k62791f3br69844e73b54d65d@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/16 Dagfinn Stangeland : > I'm struggling with setting up a Fedora LTSP server. > Does anyone know of a final F9 resource for installation and setup of LTSP? > What i find floating around seems to written a while ago and seems to be > meant for beta and testing versions of Fedora and LTSP. > snip..... I've started a FC9-LTSP5 walkthrough at: http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/FC9-LTSP5_walk-through To my amazement, and with just a little bumbling through the documentation on the https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/ site, I was up and booting my test client in no time at all. Way to go Warren! ;-) There are many changes in LTSP 5 and this means more decisions for how to set things up. I hope others will chip in on the K12LTSP wiki and help with this. Much of how this works is still black magic to me. One thing I really liked about the older versions of K12LTSP was that they supported other workstations on the same network as the thin-clients. This means that DNS and NAT worked and you could mix and match workstations and thin-clients. I would think this was useful to many and I'd like to see similar functionality in the latest FC9-LTSP5 setup. ;-) Paul Nelson From steven at simplycircus.com Sat May 24 18:22:21 2008 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 14:22:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtualized Windows on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <0C320076-5007-49BC-85F2-800699F66CA4@breun.nl> Message-ID: What is the application you are trying to run? _____ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Nils Breunese > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 10:27 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Virtualized Windows on K12LTSP > > > Hello all, > > I have a pretty beefy K12LTSP 5EL 64-bit server setup with about 10 > thin clients attached. This is working fine, but there is one legacy > Windows application my users need. I kept a couple of Windows XP > installations around which they can use for this application, but I'd > like to get rid of those machines. There have been some attempts at > getting the application to work under Wine, but no luck so far. > > I'm thinking of setting up a virtual Windows XP machine on the K12LTSP > server. The server is a Dell PowerEdge 2900 with a quad-core Intel > Xeon E5320 1.86 GHz (which supports Intel's VT virtualization > extension) and 4 GB RAM. What virtualization method would people > recommend for doing this? KVM, QEMU (+kqemu/qvm86), VirtualBox, VMware > Server, Xen? I think Xen is the only method that's available from the > K12LTSP/CentOS repositories, right? Plus it's open source. I have used > VMware Server on a desktop machine in the past for testing. > > Is anybody else running a virtual Windows installation on K12LTSP? How > did you go about this? > > Thanks, > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From nils at breun.nl Sat May 24 19:33:43 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:33:43 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtualized Windows on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0350BD56-5D15-4A17-9232-48A2213C05A4@breun.nl> Steven Santos wrote: > What is the application you are trying to run? An old version of a Dutch bookkeeping application aimed at clubs called Davilex Club. I believe it's a 16-bit application. They never upgraded it because newer versions requires Windows SBS with Microsoft SQL Server (which they don't have) and converting the data files to the format of the newer version isn't even free (!). Right now they are storing the data on a Samba share on a Linux fileserver. The app works and they know it inside out. People have been looking into migrating to another application (things like GnuCash) for quite some time, but they haven't found a suitable replacement. Nils Breunese. From pxeboot at gmail.com Sat May 24 21:29:00 2008 From: pxeboot at gmail.com (Conrad Lawes) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 17:29:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtualized Windows on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <0C320076-5007-49BC-85F2-800699F66CA4@breun.nl> References: <0C320076-5007-49BC-85F2-800699F66CA4@breun.nl> Message-ID: All the VMMs you mentioned are capable of running Windows XP. You can't go wrong with vmware, though. Its well proven and well supported. Virtualbox is also a suitable solution though host network bridging requires a little bit of elbow grease. QEMU, IMHO, is still a work in progress. Not sure how well Xen supports Windows but I've read that it works. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Nils Breunese wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a pretty beefy K12LTSP 5EL 64-bit server setup with about 10 thin > clients attached. This is working fine, but there is one legacy Windows > application my users need. I kept a couple of Windows XP installations > around which they can use for this application, but I'd like to get rid of > those machines. There have been some attempts at getting the application to > work under Wine, but no luck so far. > > I'm thinking of setting up a virtual Windows XP machine on the K12LTSP > server. The server is a Dell PowerEdge 2900 with a quad-core Intel Xeon > E5320 1.86 GHz (which supports Intel's VT virtualization extension) and 4 GB > RAM. What virtualization method would people recommend for doing this? KVM, > QEMU (+kqemu/qvm86), VirtualBox, VMware Server, Xen? I think Xen is the only > method that's available from the K12LTSP/CentOS repositories, right? Plus > it's open source. I have used VMware Server on a desktop machine in the past > for testing. > > Is anybody else running a virtual Windows installation on K12LTSP? How did > you go about this? > > Thanks, > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Regards, Conrad Lawes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nils at breun.nl Sat May 24 23:00:39 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 01:00:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtualized Windows on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <0C320076-5007-49BC-85F2-800699F66CA4@breun.nl> Message-ID: <580A52CF-A9FC-449E-B16B-013A2AD6F311@breun.nl> Conrad Lawes wrote: > All the VMMs you mentioned are capable of running Windows XP. > You can't go wrong with vmware, though. Its well proven and well > supported. Virtualbox is also a suitable solution though host > network bridging requires a little bit of elbow grease. QEMU, > IMHO, is still a work in progress. Not sure how well Xen supports > Windows but I've read that it works. VMware Server worked well when I tested it in the past, but Xen is open source and doesn't need any work when a new kernel is released AFAIK, because the Xen packages are updated along with it. I think I remember VMware needs to build a kernel module against your current kernel and even though that is not a horrible thing I'd like to keep management overhead as low as possible. I think I'll go and see how far I can get using virt-manager (http://virt-manager.et.redhat.com/). Nils Breunese. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun May 25 02:50:53 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:50:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtualized Windows on K12LTSP Message-ID: <1211683853.27413.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Nils, Not to be trying "reverse engineering",but I would bet you can get that Windows app to run via Wine IF you setup the installer for it correctly. Then you could dish it out to make it available to all users,but then restrict the availabilty to just a group you rig up, called appxyz group. This would nix ( pun intended),the need, to have to even setup your VM. Once you get the app installed simply point the database location on your k12ltsp server at your already being used samba share as you stated. I posted sometime back how to make All of your wine programs available to all users ,say on your domain and it works very well,,rather than just installing( several times) the windows app for every user that needs to access it.You simply make a /wine directory,then copy the contents of the /home/userxyz/.wine to the /wine directory,and all the wine apps are available via a created launcher to everyone that has access to your k12ltsp server. Of course if you don't want everyone accessing it,you simply lock it down to a user 'group'. Good Luck, Take Care, Barry Cisna From nils at breun.nl Sun May 25 12:53:46 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 14:53:46 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtualized Windows on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1211683853.27413.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1211683853.27413.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Barry R Cisna wrote: > Not to be trying "reverse engineering",but I would bet you can get > that > Windows app to run via Wine IF you setup the installer for it > correctly. I believe the installer no longer works. Someone at some point created a zipfile with the files needed and a file with Windows registry stuff you need to import in order to get it all working. I haven't tried myself to get this app to work under Wine, but I believe even under Windows it's not pretty. I think I may end up virtualizing an existing Windows XP install with this app, but we may give Wine another go. Still, I'd like to hear from people who have setup a virtualized installation of Windows on a K12LTSP server and hear what virtualization method they used and why, etc. Nils Breunese. From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sun May 25 14:54:53 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:54:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtualized Windows on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <0C320076-5007-49BC-85F2-800699F66CA4@breun.nl> References: <0C320076-5007-49BC-85F2-800699F66CA4@breun.nl> Message-ID: <48397DBD.40602@scheie.homedns.org> I have one site, a small office, running K12LTSP-EL5, where they have one Windows app they can't live without. I installed VMWare Server and an XP Pro VM and then installed the app in that. The users then run the VMWare console to get to the app. I had tried, briefly, installing the app under Wine, but something, I can't recall what, didn't work quite right; I didn't spend too much time on tying to make it work. Under VMWare, it's been fine, although I don't think they ever have more than one person at a time accessing the app. But it does work just fine via thin client. I'm not wild about VMWare not being in the 'free as in speech' category; but at the time, Virtual Box's networking was too much of a pain to deal with; and I just didn't even think about Qemu at the time (this was a while back). If I were to do it today, I think I might try the qemu route just because it seems less complex (but that's just speculation). Peter Nils Breunese wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a pretty beefy K12LTSP 5EL 64-bit server setup with about 10 thin > clients attached. This is working fine, but there is one legacy Windows > application my users need. I kept a couple of Windows XP installations > around which they can use for this application, but I'd like to get rid > of those machines. There have been some attempts at getting the > application to work under Wine, but no luck so far. > > I'm thinking of setting up a virtual Windows XP machine on the K12LTSP > server. The server is a Dell PowerEdge 2900 with a quad-core Intel Xeon > E5320 1.86 GHz (which supports Intel's VT virtualization extension) and > 4 GB RAM. What virtualization method would people recommend for doing > this? KVM, QEMU (+kqemu/qvm86), VirtualBox, VMware Server, Xen? I think > Xen is the only method that's available from the K12LTSP/CentOS > repositories, right? Plus it's open source. I have used VMware Server on > a desktop machine in the past for testing. > > Is anybody else running a virtual Windows installation on K12LTSP? How > did you go about this? > > Thanks, > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun May 25 15:28:32 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 10:28:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ubunty hardy, different tftp, ltsp and dhcp server In-Reply-To: <4836C226.7040002@UGent.be> References: <4836C226.7040002@UGent.be> Message-ID: <3418426B-18F8-4407-95B9-F4EC645B9064@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How is your network setup? Are you doing the one NIC server install or the two nic installs that separates your thin clients from your main network? On May 23, 2008, at 8:09 AM, Rudy Gevaert wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to ltsp and have a default setup working. Now I would like > to try to integrate into our network. > > That means: > - an already existing seperate dhcp server > - an already existing seperate tftp server > - a new ltsp server > > I can configure (for now) that when my client does a pxe boot it > gets the correct tftp server: > > host linutop.UGent.be { fixed-address 157.193.39.120; hardware > ethernet 00:40:ca:a2:9f:91; next-server wopr; filename "pxelinux.0"; } > > wopr is the tftp server > > My pxe config file has: > wopr:/srv/tftp/fai/pxelinux.cfg# cat 9DC12778 > DEFAULT linutop ro initrd=linutop.img quiet splash > > > When I pxe boot the client it finds the linutop kernel and > linutop.img file. But then I fail into the busybox shell. > > I clearly haven't configured where he needs to get his root file > system. From the ltsp server. > > How do I this? I thought I should be able to do that from the > pxelinux.cf directory. > > Thank you in advance, > -- > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > -- -- > Rudy Gevaert Rudy.Gevaert at UGent.be tel:+32 9 264 > 4734 > Directie ICT, afd. Infrastructuur ICT Department, Infrastructure > office > Groep Systemen Systems group > Universiteit Gent Ghent University > Krijgslaan 281, gebouw S9, 9000 Gent, Belgie > www.UGent.be > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > -- -- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkg5haAACgkQxWV7OPa/g5GKwgCeLw4o1Wi0838dsug7GLu4VsTb mgUAn3HMvUVl1918MH6aSJdClszDK9Mj =VvCN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Rudy.Gevaert at UGent.be Sun May 25 16:17:36 2008 From: Rudy.Gevaert at UGent.be (Rudy Gevaert) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 18:17:36 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ubunty hardy, different tftp, ltsp and dhcp server In-Reply-To: <3418426B-18F8-4407-95B9-F4EC645B9064@mindfirestudios.com> References: <4836C226.7040002@UGent.be> <3418426B-18F8-4407-95B9-F4EC645B9064@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <48399120.8080407@UGent.be> Almquist Burke wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > How is your network setup? Are you doing the one NIC server install or > the two nic installs that separates your thin clients from your main > network? Only one nic in each server. I want to accomplish a seperate dhcp server, a seperate tftp server, and seperate ltsp servers. Thanks in advance, -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rudy Gevaert Rudy.Gevaert at UGent.be tel:+32 9 264 4734 Directie ICT, afd. Infrastructuur Direction ICT, Infrastructure dept. Groep Systemen Systems group Universiteit Gent Ghent University Krijgslaan 281, gebouw S9, 9000 Gent, Belgie www.UGent.be -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun May 25 16:59:36 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 11:59:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ubunty hardy, different tftp, ltsp and dhcp server In-Reply-To: <48399120.8080407@UGent.be> References: <4836C226.7040002@UGent.be> <3418426B-18F8-4407-95B9-F4EC645B9064@mindfirestudios.com> <48399120.8080407@UGent.be> Message-ID: <8E0F7010-F07F-4761-9EC7-4499E22BC367@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I assume you have control over the other TFTP server and DHCP server?? On May 25, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Rudy Gevaert wrote: > Almquist Burke wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> How is your network setup? Are you doing the one NIC server >> install or the two nic installs that separates your thin clients >> from your main network? > > > Only one nic in each server. I want to accomplish a seperate dhcp > server, a seperate tftp server, and seperate ltsp servers. > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > -- -- > Rudy Gevaert Rudy.Gevaert at UGent.be tel:+32 9 264 > 4734 > Directie ICT, afd. Infrastructuur Direction ICT, Infrastructure dept. > Groep Systemen Systems group > Universiteit Gent Ghent University > Krijgslaan 281, gebouw S9, 9000 Gent, Belgie > www.UGent.be > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > -- -- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkg5mvgACgkQxWV7OPa/g5HgUQCfdaDEg+DPOvoww4JjCX3lXFET 2MMAnAxHR2JR/W7k4fit3ubiC5YbdmuX =KbvR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun May 25 17:24:05 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:24:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtualized Windows on K12LTSP Message-ID: <1211736245.25674.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Nils, If you like I'd be happy to try and setup an installer for you,for the app you are trying to get to work via wine.All you would need to do is simply zip the directory that the app resides in: C:\Program Files \Appxyz and send this and i can build an installer for it. It's worth a try anyways. If you have the oldie moldie cd that the app came on( which disappears about 2 days after the app is installed),,:),you could zip that and I can build the installer for you from that. May be worth a try for you anyways? I'm not real smart but I've had a lot of experience! Take care, Barry Cisna From Rudy.Gevaert at UGent.be Sun May 25 20:53:06 2008 From: Rudy.Gevaert at UGent.be (Rudy Gevaert) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:53:06 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ubunty hardy, different tftp, ltsp and dhcp server In-Reply-To: <8E0F7010-F07F-4761-9EC7-4499E22BC367@mindfirestudios.com> References: <4836C226.7040002@UGent.be> <3418426B-18F8-4407-95B9-F4EC645B9064@mindfirestudios.com> <48399120.8080407@UGent.be> <8E0F7010-F07F-4761-9EC7-4499E22BC367@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <4839D1B2.8090701@UGent.be> Almquist Burke wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I assume you have control over the other TFTP server and DHCP server?? Yes I do, but I would like to know how to configure everything so it works like I explained. Thank you in advance, Rudy -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rudy Gevaert Rudy.Gevaert at UGent.be tel:+32 9 264 4734 Directie ICT, afd. Infrastructuur Direction ICT, Infrastructure dept. Groep Systemen Systems group Universiteit Gent Ghent University Krijgslaan 281, gebouw S9, 9000 Gent, Belgie www.UGent.be -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun May 25 21:20:38 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 16:20:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ubunty hardy, different tftp, ltsp and dhcp server In-Reply-To: <4839D1B2.8090701@UGent.be> References: <4836C226.7040002@UGent.be> <3418426B-18F8-4407-95B9-F4EC645B9064@mindfirestudios.com> <48399120.8080407@UGent.be> <8E0F7010-F07F-4761-9EC7-4499E22BC367@mindfirestudios.com> <4839D1B2.8090701@UGent.be> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Take a look at the LTSP-DHCP config file and make the appropriate changes to your existing DHCP server. That's the biggest thing. You can run TFTP and NFS from your LTSP server too IIRC, but you only want one DHCP server per segment, unless you are going to do the whole nonstandard ports thing. On May 25, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Rudy Gevaert wrote: > Almquist Burke wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> I assume you have control over the other TFTP server and DHCP >> server?? > > Yes I do, but I would like to know how to configure everything so > it works like I explained. > > Thank you in advance, > > Rudy > > -- > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > -- -- > Rudy Gevaert Rudy.Gevaert at UGent.be tel:+32 9 264 > 4734 > Directie ICT, afd. Infrastructuur Direction ICT, Infrastructure dept. > Groep Systemen Systems group > Universiteit Gent Ghent University > Krijgslaan 281, gebouw S9, 9000 Gent, Belgie > www.UGent.be > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > -- -- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkg52CYACgkQxWV7OPa/g5Hx9QCeMGie8qqxqZc3T/EtWAwZSIBd 4D8An0oaQ7NypqxV3ZUhuDkVNw+5mh6w =fUmV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue May 27 08:30:22 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 04:30:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtualized Windows on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <0350BD56-5D15-4A17-9232-48A2213C05A4@breun.nl> References: <0350BD56-5D15-4A17-9232-48A2213C05A4@breun.nl> Message-ID: <483BC69E.5030505@cmosnetworks.com> Nils Breunese wrote: > Steven Santos wrote: > >> What is the application you are trying to run? > > An old version of a Dutch bookkeeping application aimed at clubs > called Davilex Club. I believe it's a 16-bit application. They never > upgraded it because newer versions requires Windows SBS with Microsoft > SQL Server (which they don't have) and converting the data files to > the format of the newer version isn't even free (!). Right now they > are storing the data on a Samba share on a Linux fileserver. The app > works and they know it inside out. People have been looking into > migrating to another application (things like GnuCash) for quite some > time, but they haven't found a suitable replacement. > A 16-bit app? Hmm...that's the Windows 3.1 API. WINE has had great support for that since the 1990's, and in fact, that was WINE's original API target before they started working on Win32. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Tue May 27 15:41:05 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:41:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices In-Reply-To: <4836A153.6050103@biochemfluidics.com> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B49E8@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4BC6@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <4836A153.6050103@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B52FA@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> On our working LTSP server the entry use-host-decl-names is commented out in the dhcpd.conf file. I uncommented the entry on the LTSP server that is not printing and set it to on. I then restarted dhcpd and cups, but printing still does not work to a locally attached printer. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rob Owens Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:50 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices On my system, I needed to set: use-host-decl-names on; in dhcpd.conf for the section where the printer-attached workstations reside. Give that a try and restart dhcp. -Rob Marc Fromm wrote: > All my systems have a DHCP reservation, as listed in the example below. > My setup is a frsh install of the latest K12LTSP CentOS 5 EL. > Was there something to select during the install? > vi dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf > host finaid70 { > hardware ethernet 00:B0:D0:C3:0C:A6; > fixed-address 140.160.xxx.xxx; > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of David Hopkins > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:03 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices > > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Marc Fromm wrote: >> I'm setting up a new k12ltsp server. Our current server (not setup by >> me) has USB printer directly attached to a client and it is setup in >> CUPS using Device URI socket://finaid76:9100 since that client is > always >> logged on with user account finaid76. >> >> The lts.conf file has an entry >> [finaid76] >> PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/usb/lp0 >> PRINTER_0_TYPE = U >> >> Since there are no clear instructions with printers I am duplicating >> configurations that currently work. > > Ah ... a beginning point for printers is > http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers > > The 'trick' is that you need to add a DHCP reservation for each thin > client that will have a printer attached to ensure that the thin > client always has the same IP address and hostname. > >> For USB thumb drives, what is the Fuse group? > > In looking at the latest docs for ltsp on ltsp.org's wiki, it seems > that this might not be needed. but for my systems, I had to create a > user group called fuse and add all my users to it so that the drives > were automounted correctly. Since it worked, I've kept adding users to > this group. > > Fuse should be part of the main kernel now, but if not CentOS should > be similar to > http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS#Installing_FUSE_on_Fedora > _Core > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of David Hopkins >> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:07 AM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices >> >>> Are the usb ports disabled on the client machines in k12ltsp CentOS? >>> I have plugged in a usb thumb drive and a printer into a client and >>> neither are detected. I plugged the same usb thumb drive into the >> server >>> box and it was detected. >>> >> They work for me, but users need to be in the Fuse group. >> >>> I added the printer using the CUPS web interface localhots:631. >>> I used Device URI: socket://finaid70:9100 >> Is this correct? Isn't it socket://IP_address_thin_client:9100 or >> socket://hostname_of_thin_client:9100 (which are typically 192.168.x.y >> and ws###.ltsp for the base install). We have 80+ printers connected >> to thin clients and they work fine but we are using the parallel port >> for the printers, not the usb port. >> >> Sincerely, >> Dave Hopkins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Wed May 28 12:43:36 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:43:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B52FA@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B49E8@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4BC6@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <4836A153.6050103@biochemfluidics.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B52FA@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: Have you tried adding the printer using the IP address of the thin client to which the printer is attached? e.g. instead of listing the printer by the hostname of the thin client, on the LTSP server, when adding the printer via CUPS, use socket://IP_address_of_client:9100 . Sincerely, Dave Hopkins On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Marc Fromm wrote: > On our working LTSP server the entry use-host-decl-names is commented > out in the dhcpd.conf file. I uncommented the entry on the LTSP server > that is not printing and set it to on. I then restarted dhcpd and cups, > but printing still does not work to a locally attached printer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:50 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices > > On my system, I needed to set: > > use-host-decl-names on; > > in dhcpd.conf for the section where the printer-attached workstations > reside. Give that a try and restart dhcp. > > -Rob > > Marc Fromm wrote: >> All my systems have a DHCP reservation, as listed in the example > below. >> My setup is a frsh install of the latest K12LTSP CentOS 5 EL. >> Was there something to select during the install? >> vi dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf >> host finaid70 { >> hardware ethernet 00:B0:D0:C3:0C:A6; >> fixed-address 140.160.xxx.xxx; >> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; >> } >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of David Hopkins >> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:03 PM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices >> >> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Marc Fromm > wrote: >>> I'm setting up a new k12ltsp server. Our current server (not setup by >>> me) has USB printer directly attached to a client and it is setup in >>> CUPS using Device URI socket://finaid76:9100 since that client is >> always >>> logged on with user account finaid76. >>> >>> The lts.conf file has an entry >>> [finaid76] >>> PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/usb/lp0 >>> PRINTER_0_TYPE = U >>> >>> Since there are no clear instructions with printers I am duplicating >>> configurations that currently work. >> >> Ah ... a beginning point for printers is >> http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers >> >> The 'trick' is that you need to add a DHCP reservation for each thin >> client that will have a printer attached to ensure that the thin >> client always has the same IP address and hostname. >> >>> For USB thumb drives, what is the Fuse group? >> >> In looking at the latest docs for ltsp on ltsp.org's wiki, it seems >> that this might not be needed. but for my systems, I had to create a >> user group called fuse and add all my users to it so that the drives >> were automounted correctly. Since it worked, I've kept adding users to >> this group. >> >> Fuse should be part of the main kernel now, but if not CentOS should >> be similar to >> > http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS#Installing_FUSE_on_Fedora >> _Core >> >> Sincerely, >> Dave Hopkins >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>> Behalf Of David Hopkins >>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:07 AM >>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices >>> >>>> Are the usb ports disabled on the client machines in k12ltsp CentOS? >>>> I have plugged in a usb thumb drive and a printer into a client and >>>> neither are detected. I plugged the same usb thumb drive into the >>> server >>>> box and it was detected. >>>> >>> They work for me, but users need to be in the Fuse group. >>> >>>> I added the printer using the CUPS web interface localhots:631. >>>> I used Device URI: socket://finaid70:9100 >>> Is this correct? Isn't it socket://IP_address_thin_client:9100 or >>> socket://hostname_of_thin_client:9100 (which are typically > 192.168.x.y >>> and ws###.ltsp for the base install). We have 80+ printers connected >>> to thin clients and they work fine but we are using the parallel port >>> for the printers, not the usb port. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Dave Hopkins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > ******************************************************** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, > copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this > transmission in > error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. > E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as > information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late > or > incomplete, or contain viruses. > The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or > omissions > in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail > transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy > version. > > ******************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Wed May 28 15:33:19 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:33:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> I am experiencing limited success with K12LTSP. I installed K12LTSP Cent OS 5 EL from the ISO download. In the dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf file I commented the range line and I am setting up systems by Mac address and fixed IP address. This system boots with no problems host finaid70 { hardware ethernet 00:B0:D0:C3:0C:A6; fixed-address 140.160.216.111; filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } This system begins booting. Tail -f /var/log/messages states a "dhcpoffer" to the mac address 00:50:70:76:25:EA. The client eventually displays ERROR! dhcpd failed! host finaid71 { hardware ethernet 00:50:70:76:25:EA; fixed-address 140.160.216.228; filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } The failed systems NIC as reported on during the client boot is a Rhine II fast Ethernet. But since it is communicating with the ltsp server, I assume the NIC is fine. How can dhcpd fail on one system and work on the other? Marc From v.amit at hotmail.com Wed May 28 16:01:17 2008 From: v.amit at hotmail.com (v.amit at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:01:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Vacation reply In-Reply-To: <20080528160030.0F7FE61A0F7@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Wed May 28 17:09:09 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:09:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com> Are you sure there's not another DHCP server on the network? And are you sure you want to be assigning public IP addresses to these machines? -Rob Marc Fromm wrote: > I am experiencing limited success with K12LTSP. > I installed K12LTSP Cent OS 5 EL from the ISO download. > In the dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf file I commented the range line and I am > setting up systems by Mac address and fixed IP address. > > This system boots with no problems > host finaid70 { > hardware ethernet 00:B0:D0:C3:0C:A6; > fixed-address 140.160.216.111; > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > > This system begins booting. > Tail -f /var/log/messages states a "dhcpoffer" to the mac address > 00:50:70:76:25:EA. > The client eventually displays ERROR! dhcpd failed! > host finaid71 { > hardware ethernet 00:50:70:76:25:EA; > fixed-address 140.160.216.228; > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > > The failed systems NIC as reported on during the client boot is a Rhine > II fast Ethernet. But since it is communicating with the ltsp server, I > assume the NIC is fine. > > How can dhcpd fail on one system and work on the other? > > Marc > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Wed May 28 17:16:21 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:16:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed In-Reply-To: <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> There is another dhcp server on the network for windows machines to get an IP that is why I am running the ltsp by assigning MAC addresses to IPs. The client is connecting to my ltsp server since I see the mac address in the message log using tail -f. I just tried a third system and it works just fine like the first. I am assuming it is the NIC in th system that fails, even though the NIC worked fine when the box was a windows system. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rob Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:09 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed Are you sure there's not another DHCP server on the network? And are you sure you want to be assigning public IP addresses to these machines? -Rob Marc Fromm wrote: > I am experiencing limited success with K12LTSP. > I installed K12LTSP Cent OS 5 EL from the ISO download. > In the dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf file I commented the range line and I am > setting up systems by Mac address and fixed IP address. > > This system boots with no problems > host finaid70 { > hardware ethernet 00:B0:D0:C3:0C:A6; > fixed-address 140.160.216.111; > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > > This system begins booting. > Tail -f /var/log/messages states a "dhcpoffer" to the mac address > 00:50:70:76:25:EA. > The client eventually displays ERROR! dhcpd failed! > host finaid71 { > hardware ethernet 00:50:70:76:25:EA; > fixed-address 140.160.216.228; > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > > The failed systems NIC as reported on during the client boot is a Rhine > II fast Ethernet. But since it is communicating with the ltsp server, I > assume the NIC is fine. > > How can dhcpd fail on one system and work on the other? > > Marc > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From gamer3100 at gmail.com Wed May 28 17:56:36 2008 From: gamer3100 at gmail.com (Patrick Worcester) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:56:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Booting Message-ID: <5114000f0805281056q44491d21n509298cb5fe40c62@mail.gmail.com> If we are unable to get our clients to boot from the server machine, what are some settings we can change on the server machine to enable the clients to boot from it? We have successfully pinged from client to server and from server to client through the hub. -- ---------------------------------- Mankind Is Unkind Man ---------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Wed May 28 18:13:44 2008 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:13:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <483DA0D8.3060003@gmail.com> Marc Fromm wrote: > There is another dhcp server on the network for windows machines to get > an IP that is why I am running the ltsp by assigning MAC addresses to > IPs. > What may be happening is that *both* DHCP servers are attempting to respond to the request from this machine, but only one of them (the LTSP -based DHCP server) has all the needed boot information. You have restricted on DHCP server, but how have you restricted the other? > The client is connecting to my ltsp server since I see the mac address > in the message log using tail -f. > > I just tried a third system and it works just fine like the first. > > I am assuming it is the NIC in th system that fails, even though the NIC > worked fine when the box was a windows system. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:09 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed > > Are you sure there's not another DHCP server on the network? And are > you sure you want to be assigning public IP addresses to these machines? > > -Rob > > Marc Fromm wrote: >> I am experiencing limited success with K12LTSP. >> I installed K12LTSP Cent OS 5 EL from the ISO download. >> In the dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf file I commented the range line and I am >> setting up systems by Mac address and fixed IP address. >> >> This system boots with no problems >> host finaid70 { >> hardware ethernet 00:B0:D0:C3:0C:A6; >> fixed-address 140.160.216.111; >> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; >> } >> >> This system begins booting. >> Tail -f /var/log/messages states a "dhcpoffer" to the mac address >> 00:50:70:76:25:EA. >> The client eventually displays ERROR! dhcpd failed! >> host finaid71 { >> hardware ethernet 00:50:70:76:25:EA; >> fixed-address 140.160.216.228; >> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; >> } >> >> The failed systems NIC as reported on during the client boot is a > Rhine >> II fast Ethernet. But since it is communicating with the ltsp server, > I >> assume the NIC is fine. >> >> How can dhcpd fail on one system and work on the other? >> >> Marc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > ******************************************************** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, > copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this > transmission in > error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. > E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as > information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late > or > incomplete, or contain viruses. > The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or > omissions > in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail > transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy > version. > > ******************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Wed May 28 18:20:04 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:20:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed In-Reply-To: <483DA0D8.3060003@gmail.com> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483DA0D8.3060003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880572962E@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> I don't have access to the other DHCP server. Two out of the three systems boot fine with out fail every time. The only difference between the 3 systems is the client hardware. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Lucas Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:14 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed Marc Fromm wrote: > There is another dhcp server on the network for windows machines to get > an IP that is why I am running the ltsp by assigning MAC addresses to > IPs. > What may be happening is that *both* DHCP servers are attempting to respond to the request from this machine, but only one of them (the LTSP -based DHCP server) has all the needed boot information. You have restricted on DHCP server, but how have you restricted the other? > The client is connecting to my ltsp server since I see the mac address > in the message log using tail -f. > > I just tried a third system and it works just fine like the first. > > I am assuming it is the NIC in th system that fails, even though the NIC > worked fine when the box was a windows system. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:09 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed > > Are you sure there's not another DHCP server on the network? And are > you sure you want to be assigning public IP addresses to these machines? > > -Rob > > Marc Fromm wrote: >> I am experiencing limited success with K12LTSP. >> I installed K12LTSP Cent OS 5 EL from the ISO download. >> In the dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf file I commented the range line and I am >> setting up systems by Mac address and fixed IP address. >> >> This system boots with no problems >> host finaid70 { >> hardware ethernet 00:B0:D0:C3:0C:A6; >> fixed-address 140.160.216.111; >> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; >> } >> >> This system begins booting. >> Tail -f /var/log/messages states a "dhcpoffer" to the mac address >> 00:50:70:76:25:EA. >> The client eventually displays ERROR! dhcpd failed! >> host finaid71 { >> hardware ethernet 00:50:70:76:25:EA; >> fixed-address 140.160.216.228; >> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; >> } >> >> The failed systems NIC as reported on during the client boot is a > Rhine >> II fast Ethernet. But since it is communicating with the ltsp server, > I >> assume the NIC is fine. >> >> How can dhcpd fail on one system and work on the other? >> >> Marc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > ******************************************************** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed May 28 20:14:54 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:14:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Booting In-Reply-To: <5114000f0805281056q44491d21n509298cb5fe40c62@mail.gmail.com> References: <5114000f0805281056q44491d21n509298cb5fe40c62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483DBD3E.8010505@scheie.homedns.org> You'll have to give us more details about what happens when the clients try to boot in order for us help you. Do the clients get an IP address from the server? Do they get a kernel? What errors are you seeing? Etc. Peter Patrick Worcester wrote: > If we are unable to get our clients to boot from the server machine, > what are some settings we can change on the server machine to enable the > clients to boot from it? We have successfully pinged from client to > server and from server to client through the hub. > > -- > ---------------------------------- > Mankind Is Unkind Man > ---------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed May 28 20:40:07 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:40:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880572962E@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483DA0D8.3060003@gmail.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880572962E@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <8422D059-884C-45E7-AB1C-F5D83A5E73F3@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On May 28, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Marc Fromm wrote: > I don't have access to the other DHCP server. > If that's the case, then you only have two reliable options. One is using etherboot or some other bootdisk and setting the clients to use a nonstandard port for DHCP, usually 1067. That way they don't request on the same port as the other server. Your other option is to do the two NIC install on your server and put your thin clients behind the ltsp server, that would prevent them from sending their DHCP requests to the other server. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkg9wycACgkQxWV7OPa/g5FARgCfdHxyhCLw7LIEkKjrouXgZxFi IlIAn0rYLPD6Wz3UZ3pIjTDH0SqWc8MD =U3aM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Wed May 28 22:26:23 2008 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:26:23 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] no audio in i810 soundcard Message-ID: <12b235150805281526i6320f1f8o41ed2257231f9fe3@mail.gmail.com> Hi everybody! I write from Argentina! so sorry for my bad english, I try to explain to clear as possible: I have many thin clients of same type: "Compaq Deskpro Ex Microtower" (color white) - Celeron 566 - 64MB RAM - Motherboard Intel (I supose) The trouble is that I do not have sound in the terminals. The system: k12EL5.0 (the last). The hardware of thin client (from the original service manual): Chipset Component Function 810e 82810e-DC100 GMCH AGP 2X interface Direct AGP graphics controller SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC100 DIMMs 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB 82801AB ICH PCI bus I/F LPC bus I/F SMBus I/F IDE I/F with UATA/66 support AC '97 controller RTC/CMOS IRQ controller Power management logic USB I/F 8259 or I/O APIC interrupt processing 82802 FWH Loaded with AMI BIOS 815 82815 GMCH AGP 4X interface Direct AGP graphics controller SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC133 DIMMs 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB 82801AB ICH Same as for 810e Chipset 82802 FWH Loaded with Compaq BIOS I check if in the screen of terminal when boots, detect the sound card (onboard) and yes: i810: Intel ICH 82801AA found at IOx0d800 and 0xdc00, MEM 0x0000 and 0x0000 IRQ 11. I check if listen the port 16001 and yes: - accepting connections on port 16001 I check if the "-public" option is present in sound.rc and yes: export ESD_SPAWN_OPTIONS="-public" /bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -as 1 -public & My lts.conf file in part sound: # enable sound by default SOUND = Y # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on x86_64) SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" #RCFILE_0x = sound.rc # default sound volume VOLUME = 75 ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" In the grafic user in gnome, when I try to open the mixer I have a error tell me some that "gstreamer no encounter .. no device..", when I play a audio with xmms, hi tell me that the sund is blocked by other applicattion, when I try to autodetect the sound card from the client, this modifies the values of volume of my server, and I can see, I think, the soundcard of my server, that is a i810 too! In KDE just I have entered, tell me that the sound is no initialize because I have no premissions... Please somebody can help me? Thank you a lot! Cheers from Argentina, sorry for mu bad english! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu Wed May 28 22:57:46 2008 From: Marc.Fromm at wwu.edu (Marc Fromm) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:57:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed In-Reply-To: <8422D059-884C-45E7-AB1C-F5D83A5E73F3@mindfirestudios.com> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu><483DA0D8.3060003@gmail.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880572962E@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <8422D059-884C-45E7-AB1C-F5D83A5E73F3@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057298E9@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> What does it mean to put the clients behind the ltsp server? If I do the 2 nic install how do the clients know to send their dhcp requests to the ltsp server? Can I convert my current setup to the 2 nic or is it better to reinstall? thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Almquist Burke Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:40 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On May 28, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Marc Fromm wrote: > I don't have access to the other DHCP server. > If that's the case, then you only have two reliable options. One is using etherboot or some other bootdisk and setting the clients to use a nonstandard port for DHCP, usually 1067. That way they don't request on the same port as the other server. Your other option is to do the two NIC install on your server and put your thin clients behind the ltsp server, that would prevent them from sending their DHCP requests to the other server. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkg9wycACgkQxWV7OPa/g5FARgCfdHxyhCLw7LIEkKjrouXgZxFi IlIAn0rYLPD6Wz3UZ3pIjTDH0SqWc8MD =U3aM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu May 29 02:29:52 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:29:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057298E9@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu><483DA0D8.3060003@gmail.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880572962E@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <8422D059-884C-45E7-AB1C-F5D83A5E73F3@mindfirestudios.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057298E9@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <2FAC4837-AB21-4FF0-920D-FE98159B9016@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On May 28, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Marc Fromm wrote: > What does it mean to put the clients behind the ltsp server? > If I do the 2 nic install how do the clients know to send their dhcp > requests to the ltsp server? > > Can I convert my current setup to the 2 nic or is it better to > reinstall? A "Two NIC" setup is when your LTSP server is plugged into the school's network on one side (on eth0 for example) and on the other side is plugged into a switch that only goes to the thin clients (eth1 in this case). That way your thin client's DHCP requests never reach the school's DHCP server. Their traffic has to travel though the LTSP server. Here's an example. ----- LTSP server ---- Thin clients / | Internet --- Firewall --- Schools servers (DHCP, File, Authentication, Etc.) \ | \ Other Desktop PCs The thin clients are segmented on their own network, separate from the rest of the school. Only the LTSP server is plugged into the rest of the network on the other network card. This works well if all the thin clients are in the same room as the server (like in a lab, or you have one "server" per classroom). If the clients are scattered about with only a couple in each location and have to be plugged into the school's network, then the alternate DHCP port is probably easier. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkg+FSAACgkQxWV7OPa/g5FDQwCggJ+02HN7hI8dOvCWnA+afoSX xCMAnRHVQYk1sZA/gM4v8E7ahe7BsXy/ =WPeL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu May 29 04:02:44 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:02:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] no audio in i810 soundcard In-Reply-To: <12b235150805281526i6320f1f8o41ed2257231f9fe3@mail.gmail.com> References: <12b235150805281526i6320f1f8o41ed2257231f9fe3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1212033764.5604.190.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Hi Alberto, I have some note in the body of your message below: On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 19:26 -0300, Alberto Castillo wrote: > Hi everybody! > I write from Argentina! so sorry for my bad english, I try to explain > to clear as possible: > > I have many thin clients of same type: "Compaq Deskpro Ex > Microtower" (color white) - Celeron 566 - 64MB RAM - Motherboard Intel > (I supose) > > The trouble is that I do not have sound in the terminals. > > The system: k12EL5.0 (the last). > > The hardware of thin client (from the original service manual): > > Chipset Component Function > 810e 82810e-DC100 GMCH AGP 2X interface > Direct AGP graphics controller > SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC100 > DIMMs > 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB > 82801AB ICH PCI bus I/F > LPC bus I/F > SMBus I/F > IDE I/F with UATA/66 support > AC '97 controller > RTC/CMOS > IRQ controller > Power management logic > USB I/F > 8259 or I/O APIC interrupt processing > 82802 FWH Loaded with AMI BIOS > 815 82815 GMCH AGP 4X interface > Direct AGP graphics controller > SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC133 > DIMMs > 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB > 82801AB ICH Same as for 810e Chipset > 82802 FWH Loaded with Compaq BIOS > > > > I check if in the screen of terminal when boots, detect the sound card > (onboard) and yes: > i810: Intel ICH 82801AA found at IOx0d800 and 0xdc00, MEM 0x0000 and > 0x0000 IRQ 11. > > I check if listen the port 16001 and yes: > - accepting connections on port 16001 > > I check if the "-public" option is present in sound.rc and yes: > export ESD_SPAWN_OPTIONS="-public" > /bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -as 1 -public & Here's a trick: remove the "-nobeeps" and reboot the clients. Now when the start up ESD you will hear a series of 3 (or 4) beeps rising in pitch. If some clients do this and others do not, the detection of the sound chip is a problem. > > My lts.conf file in part sound: > # enable sound by default > SOUND = Y > # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on > x86_64) > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" > #RCFILE_0x = sound.rc > > # default sound volume > VOLUME = 75 I have found that setting this to about 90 works better. 75 is to low to hear anything. > > ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to > use: > # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" > > In the grafic user in gnome, when I try to open the mixer I have a > error tell me some that "gstreamer no encounter .. no device..", OK. Remember how all this stuff works. Any application you see on the client screen is running on the server hardware. So volume control won't work. > when I play a audio with xmms, hi tell me that the sund is blocked by > other applicattion, when I try to autodetect the sound card from the > client, this modifies the values of volume of my server, and I can > see, I think, the soundcard of my server, that is a i810 too! > In KDE just I have entered, tell me that the sound is no initialize > because I have no premissions... I have had to make sure the /tmp/.esd/socket file existed on the server for most sound stuff to work at all. In fact I had to make a cron job to test and recreate it every hour if it went away for any reason. > > Please somebody can help me? > Thank you a lot! > Cheers from Argentina, sorry for mu bad english! Your English was plenty good enough! > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu May 29 04:10:46 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:10:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed In-Reply-To: <2FAC4837-AB21-4FF0-920D-FE98159B9016@mindfirestudios.com> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483DA0D8.3060003@gmail.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880572962E@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <8422D059-884C-45E7-AB1C-F5D83A5E73F3@mindfirestudios.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057298E9@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <2FAC4837-AB21-4FF0-920D-FE98159B9016@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <1212034246.5604.198.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:29 -0500, Almquist Burke wrote: > If > the clients are scattered about with only a couple in each location > and have to be plugged into the school's network, then the alternate > DHCP port is probably easier. Can't tweak the alternate DHCP port for PXE boot, though. That is hard coded in silicon to broadcast a defined packet over a defined port. If the situation is a DHCP server that you can't admin to support the PXE boot then you MUST use a closed network or a second network. Most often, the DHCP setup is locked down by people who won't touch a Linux system so the thin client network stuff will have to be separated either physically or logically. Many managed switches can the setup to use different VLAN's and thus you can use different DHCP servers on the same physical LAN. It will still involve the same person who won't do the DHCP work for you but asking them to help isolate the Linux stuff from the rest of the network is something they will gladly do (until they learn the want the Linux stuff and not the other!). -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From Rudy.Gevaert at UGent.be Thu May 29 06:21:46 2008 From: Rudy.Gevaert at UGent.be (Rudy Gevaert) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:21:46 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ubunty hardy, different tftp, ltsp and dhcp server In-Reply-To: References: <4836C226.7040002@UGent.be> <3418426B-18F8-4407-95B9-F4EC645B9064@mindfirestudios.com> <48399120.8080407@UGent.be> <8E0F7010-F07F-4761-9EC7-4499E22BC367@mindfirestudios.com> <4839D1B2.8090701@UGent.be> Message-ID: <483E4B7A.6040609@UGent.be> Thanks everybody for the suggestions. For the moment I have come up with a working setup that has - a separate dhcp - a separate tftp + nbdroot - a separate ltsp server -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rudy Gevaert Rudy.Gevaert at UGent.be tel:+32 9 264 4734 Directie ICT, afd. Infrastructuur ICT Department, Infrastructure office Groep Systemen Systems group Universiteit Gent Ghent University Krijgslaan 281, gebouw S9, 9000 Gent, Belgie www.UGent.be -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From ssh at tranquility.net Thu May 29 15:40:05 2008 From: ssh at tranquility.net (ssh at tranquility.net) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:40:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Centos bug + Marvell onboard NIC In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: I just did a fresh install of K12LTSP Centos 5. All appeared well, until I took it to a faster connect to do updates (cough, dialup at home). About a gig of download later, I took it home to find out that one of the two onboard Marvell NICs no longer worked. lspci showed it ok, dmesg showed it there, but declared eth1 not found. ifconfig -a would not show it as a choice I could use. eth1 is the "outside NIC". To do the updates, I did temporarily change the MAC of eth1 to fit in with the network planning where I did the upgrades. When I brought it home, I ran neat and saw eth1 listed as eth1.bak Efforts to enable it in the GUI gave a 'device not found' type of error. Booting it to Knoppix, it works there so it's not hardware/cabling problem. I disabled it in BIOS, put in a PCI card, and it works fine. After some (ok, a lot) of searching, I found this Centos bug: http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2541 I am also using ASUS P5B Deluxe mobo. I am not near the machine now to check, but the two onboard Marvell NICs were shown separately as different chipsets (not sure why), and mine was PCI-E as in that bug report. I have not yet booted to the old kernel to verify. The original kernel is old enough, that I think would prefer to stick with the newer kernel, and use a PCI NIC. What is a little puzzling to me, is that I was pretty sure I rebooted a time or two during the updates, and I did some more installing of apps. Seeing this bug report otherwise fits in perfectly with my symptoms. FYI, Scott S. From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Thu May 29 17:40:45 2008 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:40:45 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] no audio in i810 soundcard In-Reply-To: <1212033764.5604.190.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <12b235150805281526i6320f1f8o41ed2257231f9fe3@mail.gmail.com> <1212033764.5604.190.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <12b235150805291040x723d8807g97554eb19d92ddd0@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/29 James P. Kinney III : > Hi Alberto, > > I have some note in the body of your message below: > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 19:26 -0300, Alberto Castillo wrote: > > Hi everybody! > > I write from Argentina! so sorry for my bad english, I try to explain > > to clear as possible: > > > > I have many thin clients of same type: "Compaq Deskpro Ex > > Microtower" (color white) - Celeron 566 - 64MB RAM - Motherboard Intel > > (I supose) > > > > The trouble is that I do not have sound in the terminals. > > > > The system: k12EL5.0 (the last). > > > > The hardware of thin client (from the original service manual): > > > > Chipset Component Function > > 810e 82810e-DC100 GMCH AGP 2X interface > > Direct AGP graphics controller > > SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC100 > > DIMMs > > 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB > > 82801AB ICH PCI bus I/F > > LPC bus I/F > > SMBus I/F > > IDE I/F with UATA/66 support > > AC '97 controller > > RTC/CMOS > > IRQ controller > > Power management logic > > USB I/F > > 8259 or I/O APIC interrupt processing > > 82802 FWH Loaded with AMI BIOS > > 815 82815 GMCH AGP 4X interface > > Direct AGP graphics controller > > SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC133 > > DIMMs > > 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB > > 82801AB ICH Same as for 810e Chipset > > 82802 FWH Loaded with Compaq BIOS > > > > > > > > I check if in the screen of terminal when boots, detect the sound card > > (onboard) and yes: > > i810: Intel ICH 82801AA found at IOx0d800 and 0xdc00, MEM 0x0000 and > > 0x0000 IRQ 11. > > > > I check if listen the port 16001 and yes: > > - accepting connections on port 16001 > > > > I check if the "-public" option is present in sound.rc and yes: > > export ESD_SPAWN_OPTIONS="-public" > > /bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -as 1 -public & > > Here's a trick: remove the "-nobeeps" and reboot the clients. Now when > the start up ESD you will hear a series of 3 (or 4) beeps rising in > pitch. If some clients do this and others do not, the detection of the > sound chip is a problem. Ohh my friend!!! I can hear the beeps!!! I supose that the chipset is detected correct shape!!! I boot the terminal in mode shell to can debug something if I can debug... I supose that still in graphic mode, the user session looks the server sound card, because I still try to play sound and for example, xmms tells me that or the soundcard is not configured or other application is use this resource (I think that the graphic session looks the sound card of server) and the sound card is blocked. Thank you for your response!!!! I hope can solucionate very soon this problem I still no have sound in the terminal... > > > > > My lts.conf file in part sound: > > # enable sound by default > > SOUND = Y > > # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on > > x86_64) > > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > > # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" > > #RCFILE_0x = sound.rc > > > > # default sound volume > > VOLUME = 75 > > I have found that setting this to about 90 works better. 75 is to low to > hear anything. > > > > ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to > > use: > > # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" > > > > In the grafic user in gnome, when I try to open the mixer I have a > > error tell me some that "gstreamer no encounter .. no device..", > OK. Remember how all this stuff works. Any application you see on the > client screen is running on the server hardware. So volume control won't > work. > > > when I play a audio with xmms, hi tell me that the sund is blocked by > > other applicattion, when I try to autodetect the sound card from the > > client, this modifies the values of volume of my server, and I can > > see, I think, the soundcard of my server, that is a i810 too! > > In KDE just I have entered, tell me that the sound is no initialize > > because I have no premissions... > > I have had to make sure the /tmp/.esd/socket file existed on the server > for most sound stuff to work at all. In fact I had to make a cron job to > test and recreate it every hour if it went away for any reason. > > > > Please somebody can help me? > > Thank you a lot! > > Cheers from Argentina, sorry for mu bad english! > > Your English was plenty good enough! > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > James P. Kinney III > CEO & Director of Engineering > Local Net Solutions,LLC > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Thu May 29 18:23:04 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:23:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed In-Reply-To: <2FAC4837-AB21-4FF0-920D-FE98159B9016@mindfirestudios.com> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu><483DA0D8.3060003@gmail.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880572962E@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <8422D059-884C-45E7-AB1C-F5D83A5E73F3@mindfirestudios.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057298E9@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <2FAC4837-AB21-4FF0-920D-FE98159B9016@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <483EF488.8080303@scheie.homedns.org> Almquist Burke wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On May 28, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Marc Fromm wrote: > >> What does it mean to put the clients behind the ltsp server? >> If I do the 2 nic install how do the clients know to send their dhcp >> requests to the ltsp server? >> >> Can I convert my current setup to the 2 nic or is it better to >> reinstall? > > A "Two NIC" setup is when your LTSP server is plugged into the school's > network on one side (on eth0 for example) and on the other side is > plugged into a switch that only goes to the thin clients (eth1 in this > case). That way your thin client's DHCP requests never reach the > school's DHCP server. Their traffic has to travel though the LTSP > server. Here's an example. > > > > ----- LTSP server ---- Thin clients > / | > Internet --- Firewall --- Schools servers (DHCP, File, Authentication, > Etc.) > \ | > \ Other Desktop PCs > > > The thin clients are segmented on their own network, separate from the > rest of the school. Only the LTSP server is plugged into the rest of the > network on the other network card. > > This works well if all the thin clients are in the same room as the > server (like in a lab, or you have one "server" per classroom). If the > clients are scattered about with only a couple in each location and have > to be plugged into the school's network, then the alternate DHCP port is > probably easier.-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Just a footnote: The default setup in a two-nic K12LTSP server uses eth0 for the thin client side and uses eth1 to connect to the rest of the school's network. Peter From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Thu May 29 18:19:24 2008 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:19:24 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] no audio in i810 soundcard In-Reply-To: <12b235150805291040x723d8807g97554eb19d92ddd0@mail.gmail.com> References: <12b235150805281526i6320f1f8o41ed2257231f9fe3@mail.gmail.com> <1212033764.5604.190.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <12b235150805291040x723d8807g97554eb19d92ddd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12b235150805291119m3a6da3abof888d26061759502@mail.gmail.com> I SOLVED!!!!!! Thank you my friend because you open my mind! Now I can hear the sounds!!!! mp3s and wavs!!!! Where is the solution? Simply, I make owner the files (mp3 o wav) to the specific user, that the files I try to play are owner root, solution: chown user file.wav (or .mp3). The only thing that I can not solution for the moment is the use of control volume of the graphical session. And other thing: totem can play the sounds, xmms not. Thank you a lot!!!! Alberto 2008/5/29 Alberto Castillo : > > > 2008/5/29 James P. Kinney III : > > Hi Alberto, >> >> I have some note in the body of your message below: >> >> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 19:26 -0300, Alberto Castillo wrote: >> > Hi everybody! >> > I write from Argentina! so sorry for my bad english, I try to explain >> > to clear as possible: >> > >> > I have many thin clients of same type: "Compaq Deskpro Ex >> > Microtower" (color white) - Celeron 566 - 64MB RAM - Motherboard Intel >> > (I supose) >> > >> > The trouble is that I do not have sound in the terminals. >> > >> > The system: k12EL5.0 (the last). >> > >> > The hardware of thin client (from the original service manual): >> > >> > Chipset Component Function >> > 810e 82810e-DC100 GMCH AGP 2X interface >> > Direct AGP graphics controller >> > SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC100 >> > DIMMs >> > 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB >> > 82801AB ICH PCI bus I/F >> > LPC bus I/F >> > SMBus I/F >> > IDE I/F with UATA/66 support >> > AC '97 controller >> > RTC/CMOS >> > IRQ controller >> > Power management logic >> > USB I/F >> > 8259 or I/O APIC interrupt processing >> > 82802 FWH Loaded with AMI BIOS >> > 815 82815 GMCH AGP 4X interface >> > Direct AGP graphics controller >> > SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC133 >> > DIMMs >> > 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB >> > 82801AB ICH Same as for 810e Chipset >> > 82802 FWH Loaded with Compaq BIOS >> > >> > >> > >> > I check if in the screen of terminal when boots, detect the sound card >> > (onboard) and yes: >> > i810: Intel ICH 82801AA found at IOx0d800 and 0xdc00, MEM 0x0000 and >> > 0x0000 IRQ 11. >> > >> > I check if listen the port 16001 and yes: >> > - accepting connections on port 16001 >> > >> > I check if the "-public" option is present in sound.rc and yes: >> > export ESD_SPAWN_OPTIONS="-public" >> > /bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -as 1 -public & >> >> Here's a trick: remove the "-nobeeps" and reboot the clients. Now when >> the start up ESD you will hear a series of 3 (or 4) beeps rising in >> pitch. If some clients do this and others do not, the detection of the >> sound chip is a problem. > > Ohh my friend!!! > I can hear the beeps!!! > I supose that the chipset is detected correct shape!!! > I boot the terminal in mode shell to can debug something if I can debug... > I supose that still in graphic mode, the user session looks the server > sound card, because I still try to play sound and for example, xmms tells > me that or the soundcard is not configured or other application is use this > resource (I think that the graphic session looks the sound card of server) > and the sound card is blocked. > Thank you for your response!!!! I hope can solucionate very soon this > problem > I still no have sound in the terminal... > >> >> > >> > My lts.conf file in part sound: >> > # enable sound by default >> > SOUND = Y >> > # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on >> > x86_64) >> > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" >> > # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" >> > #RCFILE_0x = sound.rc >> > >> > # default sound volume >> > VOLUME = 75 >> >> I have found that setting this to about 90 works better. 75 is to low to >> hear anything. >> > >> > ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to >> > use: >> > # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" >> > >> > In the grafic user in gnome, when I try to open the mixer I have a >> > error tell me some that "gstreamer no encounter .. no device..", >> OK. Remember how all this stuff works. Any application you see on the >> client screen is running on the server hardware. So volume control won't >> work. >> >> > when I play a audio with xmms, hi tell me that the sund is blocked by >> > other applicattion, when I try to autodetect the sound card from the >> > client, this modifies the values of volume of my server, and I can >> > see, I think, the soundcard of my server, that is a i810 too! >> > In KDE just I have entered, tell me that the sound is no initialize >> > because I have no premissions... >> >> I have had to make sure the /tmp/.esd/socket file existed on the server >> for most sound stuff to work at all. In fact I had to make a cron job to >> test and recreate it every hour if it went away for any reason. >> > >> > Please somebody can help me? >> > Thank you a lot! >> > Cheers from Argentina, sorry for mu bad english! >> >> Your English was plenty good enough! >> > >> > -- >> > This message has been scanned for viruses and >> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> > believed to be clean. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> -- >> James P. Kinney III >> CEO & Director of Engineering >> Local Net Solutions,LLC >> http://www.localnetsolutions.com >> >> GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) >> >> Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu May 29 19:52:20 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:52:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed In-Reply-To: <483EF488.8080303@scheie.homedns.org> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu><483DA0D8.3060003@gmail.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880572962E@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <8422D059-884C-45E7-AB1C-F5D83A5E73F3@mindfirestudios.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057298E9@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <2FAC4837-AB21-4FF0-920D-FE98159B9016@mindfirestudios.com> <483EF488.8080303@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> Just a footnote: The default setup in a two-nic K12LTSP server >> uses eth0 for the thin client side and uses eth1 to connect to the >> rest of the school's network. > > Peter That's only true for older versions of K12LTSP. The FC 9 ones don't have eth0 or eth1 set by default, eth0 is DHCP be default. Eth1 you have to set, and since Network Manager is managing eth0, I found it easier to make eth1 the bridge for thin clients. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkg/CXQACgkQxWV7OPa/g5GrvgCgg+CCRUCn4t/N8v18ma7tMCC+ DeYAnianeq8oQ/Bn4p7YoaTmQW0bEcEd =HRK1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu May 29 19:54:41 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:54:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] no audio in i810 soundcard In-Reply-To: <12b235150805291119m3a6da3abof888d26061759502@mail.gmail.com> References: <12b235150805281526i6320f1f8o41ed2257231f9fe3@mail.gmail.com> <1212033764.5604.190.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <12b235150805291040x723d8807g97554eb19d92ddd0@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150805291119m3a6da3abof888d26061759502@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ahhh, I'll bet your users were not part of the "sound" group that gives them the right to access sound devices. Root can do it no matter what. You shouldn't need to change all your files to root, just make them all members of the "sound group. Fuse group too for usb sticks. On May 29, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Alberto Castillo wrote: > I SOLVED!!!!!! > Thank you my friend because you open my mind! > Now I can hear the sounds!!!! mp3s and wavs!!!! > Where is the solution? > Simply, I make owner the files (mp3 o wav) to the specific user, > that the files I try to play are owner root, solution: > chown user file.wav (or .mp3). > The only thing that I can not solution for the moment is the use of > control volume of the graphical session. > And other thing: totem can play the sounds, xmms not. > Thank you a lot!!!! > Alberto > > 2008/5/29 Alberto Castillo : > > > 2008/5/29 James P. Kinney III : > > Hi Alberto, > > I have some note in the body of your message below: > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 19:26 -0300, Alberto Castillo wrote: > > Hi everybody! > > I write from Argentina! so sorry for my bad english, I try to > explain > > to clear as possible: > > > > I have many thin clients of same type: "Compaq Deskpro Ex > > Microtower" (color white) - Celeron 566 - 64MB RAM - Motherboard > Intel > > (I supose) > > > > The trouble is that I do not have sound in the terminals. > > > > The system: k12EL5.0 (the last). > > > > The hardware of thin client (from the original service manual): > > > > Chipset Component Function > > 810e 82810e-DC100 GMCH AGP 2X interface > > Direct AGP graphics controller > > SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC100 > > DIMMs > > 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB > > 82801AB ICH PCI bus I/F > > LPC bus I/F > > SMBus I/F > > IDE I/F with UATA/66 support > > AC '97 controller > > RTC/CMOS > > IRQ controller > > Power management logic > > USB I/F > > 8259 or I/O APIC interrupt processing > > 82802 FWH Loaded with AMI BIOS > > 815 82815 GMCH AGP 4X interface > > Direct AGP graphics controller > > SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC133 > > DIMMs > > 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB > > 82801AB ICH Same as for 810e Chipset > > 82802 FWH Loaded with Compaq BIOS > > > > > > > > I check if in the screen of terminal when boots, detect the sound > card > > (onboard) and yes: > > i810: Intel ICH 82801AA found at IOx0d800 and 0xdc00, MEM 0x0000 and > > 0x0000 IRQ 11. > > > > I check if listen the port 16001 and yes: > > - accepting connections on port 16001 > > > > I check if the "-public" option is present in sound.rc and yes: > > export ESD_SPAWN_OPTIONS="-public" > > /bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -as 1 -public & > > Here's a trick: remove the "-nobeeps" and reboot the clients. Now when > the start up ESD you will hear a series of 3 (or 4) beeps rising in > pitch. If some clients do this and others do not, the detection of the > sound chip is a problem. > Ohh my friend!!! > I can hear the beeps!!! > I supose that the chipset is detected correct shape!!! > I boot the terminal in mode shell to can debug something if I can > debug... > I supose that still in graphic mode, the user session looks the > server sound card, because I still try to play sound and for > example, xmms tells me that or the soundcard is not configured or > other application is use this resource (I think that the graphic > session looks the sound card of server) and the sound card is blocked. > Thank you for your response!!!! I hope can solucionate very soon > this problem > I still no have sound in the terminal... > > > > > My lts.conf file in part sound: > > # enable sound by default > > SOUND = Y > > # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on > > x86_64) > > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > > # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" > > #RCFILE_0x = sound.rc > > > > # default sound volume > > VOLUME = 75 > > I have found that setting this to about 90 works better. 75 is to > low to > hear anything. > > > > ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to > > use: > > # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" > > > > In the grafic user in gnome, when I try to open the mixer I have a > > error tell me some that "gstreamer no encounter .. no device..", > OK. Remember how all this stuff works. Any application you see on the > client screen is running on the server hardware. So volume control > won't > work. > > > when I play a audio with xmms, hi tell me that the sund is > blocked by > > other applicattion, when I try to autodetect the sound card from the > > client, this modifies the values of volume of my server, and I can > > see, I think, the soundcard of my server, that is a i810 too! > > In KDE just I have entered, tell me that the sound is no initialize > > because I have no premissions... > > I have had to make sure the /tmp/.esd/socket file existed on the > server > for most sound stuff to work at all. In fact I had to make a cron > job to > test and recreate it every hour if it went away for any reason. > > > > Please somebody can help me? > > Thank you a lot! > > Cheers from Argentina, sorry for mu bad english! > > Your English was plenty good enough! > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > James P. Kinney III > CEO & Director of Engineering > Local Net Solutions,LLC > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkg/CgEACgkQxWV7OPa/g5ElRgCeOgVVHFf09rde6R+vteIIGa2N OYAAn0qPA/UzxxPnQ/UsBnDJhTUrQfw6 =5fe6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Thu May 29 20:15:03 2008 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:15:03 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] no audio in i810 soundcard In-Reply-To: References: <12b235150805281526i6320f1f8o41ed2257231f9fe3@mail.gmail.com> <1212033764.5604.190.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <12b235150805291040x723d8807g97554eb19d92ddd0@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150805291119m3a6da3abof888d26061759502@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12b235150805291315g6281a5e8p2132b40eb8276449@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/29 Almquist Burke : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ahhh, I'll bet your users were not part of the "sound" group that gives > them the right to access sound devices. Root can do it no matter what. You > shouldn't need to change all your files to root, just make them all members > of the "sound group. Fuse group too for usb sticks. > Thank you!!! for the very soon response!!! I right now I job in this! Thanks again!!! > > > On May 29, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Alberto Castillo wrote: > > I SOLVED!!!!!! >> Thank you my friend because you open my mind! >> Now I can hear the sounds!!!! mp3s and wavs!!!! >> Where is the solution? >> Simply, I make owner the files (mp3 o wav) to the specific user, that the >> files I try to play are owner root, solution: >> chown user file.wav (or .mp3). >> The only thing that I can not solution for the moment is the use of >> control volume of the graphical session. >> And other thing: totem can play the sounds, xmms not. >> Thank you a lot!!!! >> Alberto >> >> 2008/5/29 Alberto Castillo : >> >> >> 2008/5/29 James P. Kinney III : >> >> Hi Alberto, >> >> I have some note in the body of your message below: >> >> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 19:26 -0300, Alberto Castillo wrote: >> > Hi everybody! >> > I write from Argentina! so sorry for my bad english, I try to explain >> > to clear as possible: >> > >> > I have many thin clients of same type: "Compaq Deskpro Ex >> > Microtower" (color white) - Celeron 566 - 64MB RAM - Motherboard Intel >> > (I supose) >> > >> > The trouble is that I do not have sound in the terminals. >> > >> > The system: k12EL5.0 (the last). >> > >> > The hardware of thin client (from the original service manual): >> > >> > Chipset Component Function >> > 810e 82810e-DC100 GMCH AGP 2X interface >> > Direct AGP graphics controller >> > SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC100 >> > DIMMs >> > 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB >> > 82801AB ICH PCI bus I/F >> > LPC bus I/F >> > SMBus I/F >> > IDE I/F with UATA/66 support >> > AC '97 controller >> > RTC/CMOS >> > IRQ controller >> > Power management logic >> > USB I/F >> > 8259 or I/O APIC interrupt processing >> > 82802 FWH Loaded with AMI BIOS >> > 815 82815 GMCH AGP 4X interface >> > Direct AGP graphics controller >> > SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC133 >> > DIMMs >> > 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB >> > 82801AB ICH Same as for 810e Chipset >> > 82802 FWH Loaded with Compaq BIOS >> > >> > >> > >> > I check if in the screen of terminal when boots, detect the sound card >> > (onboard) and yes: >> > i810: Intel ICH 82801AA found at IOx0d800 and 0xdc00, MEM 0x0000 and >> > 0x0000 IRQ 11. >> > >> > I check if listen the port 16001 and yes: >> > - accepting connections on port 16001 >> > >> > I check if the "-public" option is present in sound.rc and yes: >> > export ESD_SPAWN_OPTIONS="-public" >> > /bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -as 1 -public & >> >> Here's a trick: remove the "-nobeeps" and reboot the clients. Now when >> the start up ESD you will hear a series of 3 (or 4) beeps rising in >> pitch. If some clients do this and others do not, the detection of the >> sound chip is a problem. >> Ohh my friend!!! >> I can hear the beeps!!! >> I supose that the chipset is detected correct shape!!! >> I boot the terminal in mode shell to can debug something if I can >> debug... >> I supose that still in graphic mode, the user session looks the server >> sound card, because I still try to play sound and for example, xmms tells >> me that or the soundcard is not configured or other application is use this >> resource (I think that the graphic session looks the sound card of server) >> and the sound card is blocked. >> Thank you for your response!!!! I hope can solucionate very soon this >> problem >> I still no have sound in the terminal... >> >> > >> > My lts.conf file in part sound: >> > # enable sound by default >> > SOUND = Y >> > # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on >> > x86_64) >> > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" >> > # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" >> > #RCFILE_0x = sound.rc >> > >> > # default sound volume >> > VOLUME = 75 >> >> I have found that setting this to about 90 works better. 75 is to low to >> hear anything. >> > >> > ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to >> > use: >> > # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" >> > >> > In the grafic user in gnome, when I try to open the mixer I have a >> > error tell me some that "gstreamer no encounter .. no device..", >> OK. Remember how all this stuff works. Any application you see on the >> client screen is running on the server hardware. So volume control won't >> work. >> >> > when I play a audio with xmms, hi tell me that the sund is blocked by >> > other applicattion, when I try to autodetect the sound card from the >> > client, this modifies the values of volume of my server, and I can >> > see, I think, the soundcard of my server, that is a i810 too! >> > In KDE just I have entered, tell me that the sound is no initialize >> > because I have no premissions... >> >> I have had to make sure the /tmp/.esd/socket file existed on the server >> for most sound stuff to work at all. In fact I had to make a cron job to >> test and recreate it every hour if it went away for any reason. >> > >> > Please somebody can help me? >> > Thank you a lot! >> > Cheers from Argentina, sorry for mu bad english! >> >> Your English was plenty good enough! >> > >> > -- >> > This message has been scanned for viruses and >> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> > believed to be clean. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> -- >> James P. Kinney III >> CEO & Director of Engineering >> Local Net Solutions,LLC >> http://www.localnetsolutions.com >> >> GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) >> >> Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkg/CgEACgkQxWV7OPa/g5ElRgCeOgVVHFf09rde6R+vteIIGa2N > OYAAn0qPA/UzxxPnQ/UsBnDJhTUrQfw6 > =5fe6 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Thu May 29 20:22:18 2008 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:22:18 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] no audio in i810 soundcard In-Reply-To: References: <12b235150805281526i6320f1f8o41ed2257231f9fe3@mail.gmail.com> <1212033764.5604.190.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <12b235150805291040x723d8807g97554eb19d92ddd0@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150805291119m3a6da3abof888d26061759502@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12b235150805291322l7ef6aabex4aad8140b9d1787b@mail.gmail.com> Hi again! I check in /etc/group and not find any group call "sound", my question is: I must create this new group? and if I create, how tell him that owner the sound? Thanks! 2008/5/29 Almquist Burke : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ahhh, I'll bet your users were not part of the "sound" group that gives > them the right to access sound devices. Root can do it no matter what. You > shouldn't need to change all your files to root, just make them all members > of the "sound group. Fuse group too for usb sticks. > > > On May 29, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Alberto Castillo wrote: > > I SOLVED!!!!!! >> Thank you my friend because you open my mind! >> Now I can hear the sounds!!!! mp3s and wavs!!!! >> Where is the solution? >> Simply, I make owner the files (mp3 o wav) to the specific user, that the >> files I try to play are owner root, solution: >> chown user file.wav (or .mp3). >> The only thing that I can not solution for the moment is the use of >> control volume of the graphical session. >> And other thing: totem can play the sounds, xmms not. >> Thank you a lot!!!! >> Alberto >> >> 2008/5/29 Alberto Castillo : >> >> >> 2008/5/29 James P. Kinney III : >> >> Hi Alberto, >> >> I have some note in the body of your message below: >> >> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 19:26 -0300, Alberto Castillo wrote: >> > Hi everybody! >> > I write from Argentina! so sorry for my bad english, I try to explain >> > to clear as possible: >> > >> > I have many thin clients of same type: "Compaq Deskpro Ex >> > Microtower" (color white) - Celeron 566 - 64MB RAM - Motherboard Intel >> > (I supose) >> > >> > The trouble is that I do not have sound in the terminals. >> > >> > The system: k12EL5.0 (the last). >> > >> > The hardware of thin client (from the original service manual): >> > >> > Chipset Component Function >> > 810e 82810e-DC100 GMCH AGP 2X interface >> > Direct AGP graphics controller >> > SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC100 >> > DIMMs >> > 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB >> > 82801AB ICH PCI bus I/F >> > LPC bus I/F >> > SMBus I/F >> > IDE I/F with UATA/66 support >> > AC '97 controller >> > RTC/CMOS >> > IRQ controller >> > Power management logic >> > USB I/F >> > 8259 or I/O APIC interrupt processing >> > 82802 FWH Loaded with AMI BIOS >> > 815 82815 GMCH AGP 4X interface >> > Direct AGP graphics controller >> > SDRAM controller supporting up to 2 PC133 >> > DIMMs >> > 66-/100-/133-MHz FSB >> > 82801AB ICH Same as for 810e Chipset >> > 82802 FWH Loaded with Compaq BIOS >> > >> > >> > >> > I check if in the screen of terminal when boots, detect the sound card >> > (onboard) and yes: >> > i810: Intel ICH 82801AA found at IOx0d800 and 0xdc00, MEM 0x0000 and >> > 0x0000 IRQ 11. >> > >> > I check if listen the port 16001 and yes: >> > - accepting connections on port 16001 >> > >> > I check if the "-public" option is present in sound.rc and yes: >> > export ESD_SPAWN_OPTIONS="-public" >> > /bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -as 1 -public & >> >> Here's a trick: remove the "-nobeeps" and reboot the clients. Now when >> the start up ESD you will hear a series of 3 (or 4) beeps rising in >> pitch. If some clients do this and others do not, the detection of the >> sound chip is a problem. >> Ohh my friend!!! >> I can hear the beeps!!! >> I supose that the chipset is detected correct shape!!! >> I boot the terminal in mode shell to can debug something if I can >> debug... >> I supose that still in graphic mode, the user session looks the server >> sound card, because I still try to play sound and for example, xmms tells >> me that or the soundcard is not configured or other application is use this >> resource (I think that the graphic session looks the sound card of server) >> and the sound card is blocked. >> Thank you for your response!!!! I hope can solucionate very soon this >> problem >> I still no have sound in the terminal... >> >> > >> > My lts.conf file in part sound: >> > # enable sound by default >> > SOUND = Y >> > # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on >> > x86_64) >> > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" >> > # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" >> > #RCFILE_0x = sound.rc >> > >> > # default sound volume >> > VOLUME = 75 >> >> I have found that setting this to about 90 works better. 75 is to low to >> hear anything. >> > >> > ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to >> > use: >> > # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" >> > >> > In the grafic user in gnome, when I try to open the mixer I have a >> > error tell me some that "gstreamer no encounter .. no device..", >> OK. Remember how all this stuff works. Any application you see on the >> client screen is running on the server hardware. So volume control won't >> work. >> >> > when I play a audio with xmms, hi tell me that the sund is blocked by >> > other applicattion, when I try to autodetect the sound card from the >> > client, this modifies the values of volume of my server, and I can >> > see, I think, the soundcard of my server, that is a i810 too! >> > In KDE just I have entered, tell me that the sound is no initialize >> > because I have no premissions... >> >> I have had to make sure the /tmp/.esd/socket file existed on the server >> for most sound stuff to work at all. In fact I had to make a cron job to >> test and recreate it every hour if it went away for any reason. >> > >> > Please somebody can help me? >> > Thank you a lot! >> > Cheers from Argentina, sorry for mu bad english! >> >> Your English was plenty good enough! >> > >> > -- >> > This message has been scanned for viruses and >> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> > believed to be clean. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> -- >> James P. Kinney III >> CEO & Director of Engineering >> Local Net Solutions,LLC >> http://www.localnetsolutions.com >> >> GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) >> >> Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkg/CgEACgkQxWV7OPa/g5ElRgCeOgVVHFf09rde6R+vteIIGa2N > OYAAn0qPA/UzxxPnQ/UsBnDJhTUrQfw6 > =5fe6 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu May 29 21:04:55 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:04:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] no audio in i810 soundcard In-Reply-To: <12b235150805291322l7ef6aabex4aad8140b9d1787b@mail.gmail.com> References: <12b235150805281526i6320f1f8o41ed2257231f9fe3@mail.gmail.com> <1212033764.5604.190.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <12b235150805291040x723d8807g97554eb19d92ddd0@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150805291119m3a6da3abof888d26061759502@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150805291322l7ef6aabex4aad8140b9d1787b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6AA0A315-4062-407F-B3D5-344EE42BB667@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What version of K12LTSP are you working about? On May 29, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Alberto Castillo wrote: > Hi again! I check in /etc/group and not find any group call > "sound", my question is: I must create this new group? and if I > create, how tell him that owner the sound? > Thanks! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkg/GncACgkQxWV7OPa/g5EsWQCeOY0F2wB5Ga5uKUHMdt4dfQV9 /LQAnRb9g0dQcS9G9FNUe5FpzahO/fKl =bjqP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rowens at ptd.net Thu May 29 21:10:00 2008 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:10:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] no audio in i810 soundcard In-Reply-To: <12b235150805291322l7ef6aabex4aad8140b9d1787b@mail.gmail.com> References: <12b235150805281526i6320f1f8o41ed2257231f9fe3@mail.gmail.com> <1212033764.5604.190.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <12b235150805291040x723d8807g97554eb19d92ddd0@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150805291119m3a6da3abof888d26061759502@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150805291322l7ef6aabex4aad8140b9d1787b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080529211000.GA6195@junker.owens.net> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 05:22:18PM -0300, Alberto Castillo wrote: > Hi again! I check in /etc/group and not find any group call "sound", my > question is: I must create this new group? and if I create, how tell him > that owner the sound? > Thanks! I think the group is called "audio" -Rob From rowens at ptd.net Thu May 29 21:12:04 2008 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:12:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] no audio in i810 soundcard In-Reply-To: <12b235150805291119m3a6da3abof888d26061759502@mail.gmail.com> References: <12b235150805281526i6320f1f8o41ed2257231f9fe3@mail.gmail.com> <1212033764.5604.190.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <12b235150805291040x723d8807g97554eb19d92ddd0@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150805291119m3a6da3abof888d26061759502@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080529211204.GB6195@junker.owens.net> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 03:19:24PM -0300, Alberto Castillo wrote: > I SOLVED!!!!!! > Thank you my friend because you open my mind! > Now I can hear the sounds!!!! mp3s and wavs!!!! > Where is the solution? > Simply, I make owner the files (mp3 o wav) to the specific user, that the > files I try to play are owner root, solution: > chown user file.wav (or .mp3). > The only thing that I can not solution for the moment is the use of control > volume of the graphical session. > And other thing: totem can play the sounds, xmms not. In xmms, you need to go to preferences (ctrl-P) and select "eSound" as the "Output Plugin". Totem may have this set by default, since it picks up the Gnome sound settings. -Rob From ssh at tranquility.net Fri May 30 00:11:50 2008 From: ssh at tranquility.net (ssh at tranquility.net) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:11:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Centos bug + Marvell onboard NIC In-Reply-To: References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: I got back to the machine, and I can verify this. 2.6.18-8.1.6.el5 definitely DOES work with the suspect onboard NIC. 2.6.18-53.1.21.el5 definitely DOES NOT work with the suspect onboard NIC. For the record, the hardware that DOES NOT work is Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller The other onboard gigabit NIC that DOES work is Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller. Wonder why they use differing NICs? thx, Scott S From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri May 30 01:49:28 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:49:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos bug + Marvell onboard NIC Message-ID: <1212112168.7986.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Scott, This does not really help you out one bit, but about one year ago I updated an fc3 K12ltsp server to fc5 k12ltsp, and one of the dual onboard intel nics (don't remember the number) showed up as a wonky number after the update and also did not work same as yours.I wound up doing a fresh install of fc5 k12ltsp at the time to remedy the prob. >From reading lots of similar posts since then it seems a kernel update you want to keep your fingers crossed as you reboot the server after the kernel update:) Since then I have made up my mind to stay with whatever kernel comes with the original distro.Period. Nine times out of ten updates to kernel will go Ok, but when something goes amiss on a production server you are then really working against the clock. Take Care, Barry Cisna From ssh at tranquility.net Fri May 30 05:17:05 2008 From: ssh at tranquility.net (ssh at tranquility.net) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 00:17:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos bug + Marvell onboard NIC and mail spool In-Reply-To: <1212112168.7986.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1212112168.7986.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1212124625.28422.18.camel@bofh.ltsp> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 20:49 -0500, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Scott, > > This does not really help you out one bit, but about one year ago I > updated an fc3 K12ltsp server to fc5 k12ltsp, and one of the dual > onboard intel nics (don't remember the number) showed up as a wonky > number after the update and also did not work same as yours. Point well taken! Nothing like the voice of experience. I was surprised however, because Centos is supposed to be the stable one. I maintain two machines on Debian Sidux (the unstable one), and I have gone through probably 30 kernel updates in the last year. Every one has been flawless, and since that's dabbling up in 2.6.25 land, I figured the older/stable Centos kernel would be fine. Not so, apparently. I can still use the older kernel, but think I'll use a PCI card. Reinstalling isn't a good choice, because of needing to transport the machine to a fast connection for the huge initial updates. Since it was reported as a proper bug, I assume it will get fixed, and I can go back to the onboard. Another problem has reared it's head. I use Evolution, and have fetchmail get each user's mail every 15 minutes. Evolution is set on receiving for Local Delivery, and I point it to /var/spool/mail/username. This lets the users ssh in and check the fresh mail with Pine (now changed to Alpine, apparently) and when they check mail locally with Evolution, it moves it to the Evolution inbox. Fetchmail is working, and I can send email normally with Evolution, but I cannot seem to configure Evolution to /var/spool/mail/username for receiving mail. The spool file is there, but it's grayed out when doing the config. I compared permissions to the functioning one in the older 4.4-ish server, and they are set for user as owner and mail as group. I tried several combinations of rwx. I deleted the spool file and scp it over from the functioning server, and they remain grayed out. I deleted a user/group, recreated it locally and sent it's whole /home again via scp, choosing to 'keep attributes'. Any suggestions on this? I searched for a long time on this one with no real success. I'm not sure if I mentioned this, but it's a fresh install on different hardware. tia, Scott S. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lewis at pcc.com Fri May 30 12:16:36 2008 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:16:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices In-Reply-To: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B52FA@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4977@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B49E8@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B4BC6@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <4836A153.6050103@biochemfluidics.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88056B52FA@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <2D5CA062-E2D9-4474-BC87-12965DD0F602@pcc.com> I use the CentOS 5 EL version of K12LTSP. I also have devices set up for locally attached printers. In one location I have every thin client setup with the parallel port mapping to 9100 and usb to 9101 respectively. (not a great option but the site randomly replaced printers and I was tired of modifying lts.conf). I also do not have any issues. However I also run 100+ CentOS machines using cups. I recently ran into an issue where I was not able to print. The problem turned out to be DNS related. I have found that if you can not resolve a host using both forward and reverse lookups, CUPS would not always print (it was intermittent). Make sure host 192.168.0.100 returns pc100.foo.bar.com host pc100.foo.bar.com returns 192.168.0.100 Hope that helps Lewis On May 27, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Marc Fromm wrote: > On our working LTSP server the entry use-host-decl-names is commented > out in the dhcpd.conf file. I uncommented the entry on the LTSP server > that is not printing and set it to on. I then restarted dhcpd and > cups, > but printing still does not work to a locally attached printer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:50 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices > > On my system, I needed to set: > > use-host-decl-names on; > > in dhcpd.conf for the section where the printer-attached workstations > reside. Give that a try and restart dhcp. > > -Rob > > Marc Fromm wrote: >> All my systems have a DHCP reservation, as listed in the example > below. >> My setup is a frsh install of the latest K12LTSP CentOS 5 EL. >> Was there something to select during the install? >> vi dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf >> host finaid70 { >> hardware ethernet 00:B0:D0:C3:0C:A6; >> fixed-address 140.160.xxx.xxx; >> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; >> } >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of David Hopkins >> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:03 PM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices >> >> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Marc Fromm > wrote: >>> I'm setting up a new k12ltsp server. Our current server (not setup >>> by >>> me) has USB printer directly attached to a client and it is setup in >>> CUPS using Device URI socket://finaid76:9100 since that client is >> always >>> logged on with user account finaid76. >>> >>> The lts.conf file has an entry >>> [finaid76] >>> PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/usb/lp0 >>> PRINTER_0_TYPE = U >>> >>> Since there are no clear instructions with printers I am duplicating >>> configurations that currently work. >> >> Ah ... a beginning point for printers is >> http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers >> >> The 'trick' is that you need to add a DHCP reservation for each thin >> client that will have a printer attached to ensure that the thin >> client always has the same IP address and hostname. >> >>> For USB thumb drives, what is the Fuse group? >> >> In looking at the latest docs for ltsp on ltsp.org's wiki, it seems >> that this might not be needed. but for my systems, I had to create a >> user group called fuse and add all my users to it so that the drives >> were automounted correctly. Since it worked, I've kept adding users >> to >> this group. >> >> Fuse should be part of the main kernel now, but if not CentOS should >> be similar to >> > http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS#Installing_FUSE_on_Fedora >> _Core >> >> Sincerely, >> Dave Hopkins >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >>> On >>> Behalf Of David Hopkins >>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:07 AM >>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] CentOS + USB devices >>> >>>> Are the usb ports disabled on the client machines in k12ltsp >>>> CentOS? >>>> I have plugged in a usb thumb drive and a printer into a client and >>>> neither are detected. I plugged the same usb thumb drive into the >>> server >>>> box and it was detected. >>>> >>> They work for me, but users need to be in the Fuse group. >>> >>>> I added the printer using the CUPS web interface localhots:631. >>>> I used Device URI: socket://finaid70:9100 >>> Is this correct? Isn't it socket://IP_address_thin_client:9100 or >>> socket://hostname_of_thin_client:9100 (which are typically > 192.168.x.y >>> and ws###.ltsp for the base install). We have 80+ printers >>> connected >>> to thin clients and they work fine but we are using the parallel >>> port >>> for the printers, not the usb port. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Dave Hopkins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > ******************************************************** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy > version. > > ******************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From julius at turtle.com Fri May 30 13:39:06 2008 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Centos bug + Marvell onboard NIC In-Reply-To: <1212112168.7986.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 May 2008, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Scott, > > This does not really help you out one bit, but about one year ago I > updated an fc3 K12ltsp server to fc5 k12ltsp, and one of the dual > onboard intel nics (don't remember the number) showed up as a wonky > number after the update and also did not work same as yours.I wound up > doing a fresh install of fc5 k12ltsp at the time to remedy the prob. > >From reading lots of similar posts since then it seems a kernel update > you want to keep your fingers crossed as you reboot the server after the > kernel update:) Since then I have made up my mind to stay with whatever > kernel comes with the original distro.Period. Nine times out of ten > updates to kernel will go Ok, but when something goes amiss on a > production server you are then really working against the clock. > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna It happens so often, that I finally decided to "fight back". I backup /etc/modprobe and any /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth(x), and restore those files after upgrade. Seems ro work fine (fingers crossed). Not upgrading kernel is OK only if the system is really firewalled and the clever users can not access it, in other words, you really should apply security updates. julius From nils at breun.nl Fri May 30 13:42:29 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 15:42:29 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos bug + Marvell onboard NIC In-Reply-To: References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <3B604D49-EE56-4A6E-A08E-38ADCAB4553E@breun.nl> ssh at tranquility.net wrote: > I got back to the machine, and I can verify this. > 2.6.18-8.1.6.el5 definitely DOES work with the suspect onboard NIC. > 2.6.18-53.1.21.el5 definitely DOES NOT work with the suspect onboard > NIC. > > For the record, the hardware that DOES NOT work is Marvell > Technology Group Ltd. 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller > > The other onboard gigabit NIC that DOES work is Marvell Technology > Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller. Time to file a bug report maybe: http://bugs.centos.org/ Nils Breunese. From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri May 30 14:45:52 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:45:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] vnc access via web browser Message-ID: <48401320.9070707@scheie.homedns.org> Has anyone setup vnc access to a server via web browser using the java client that vnc provides? I've got the stock "vnc-server launched via xinetd tied into gdm", so that a user with a dedicated vnc client can just point the client at the server, port 5900-5905 (each port being a different resolution), and get the gdm login screen (thanks for this brilliant bit of packaging, Eric). But I'd like to further simplify the process by also making access available via browser using the java client pieces. I've seen examples online of /etc/xinetd.d/vncts files showing not just the parts launching Xvnc for port 5900-5905, but also launching 'vnc_inetd_httpd' for ports 5800-5805. But I don't have, on my K12LTSP-EL5/CentOS5 box, any such file. The RealVNC website mentions that their package, which I think is the one CentOS uses, includes a small webserver for providing access via the java client, but doesn't say much about what the actual file is. Any suggestions? Peter From gamer3100 at gmail.com Fri May 30 15:07:53 2008 From: gamer3100 at gmail.com (Patrick Worcester) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:07:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 51, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <20080529160032.3086B8E0123@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080529160032.3086B8E0123@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <5114000f0805300807o27319c39pa9c0428eb06d8d81@mail.gmail.com> The client machine reads off that it didn't receive and dhcp offers. when i boot the server machine, as it is starting all the services it comes to dhcp and says Failed instead of Ok. >You'll have to give us more details about what happens when the clients try to >boot in order for us help you. Do the clients get an IP address from the >server? Do they get a kernel? What errors are you seeing? Etc. > >Peter > >Patrick Worcester wrote: >> If we are unable to get our clients to boot from the server machine, >> what are some settings we can change on the server machine to enable the >> clients to boot from it? We have successfully pinged from client to >> server and from server to client through the hub. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sat May 31 11:58:32 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 06:58:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed In-Reply-To: References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu><483DA0D8.3060003@gmail.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880572962E@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <8422D059-884C-45E7-AB1C-F5D83A5E73F3@mindfirestudios.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057298E9@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <2FAC4837-AB21-4FF0-920D-FE98159B9016@mindfirestudios.com> <483EF488.8080303@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <48413D68.9050509@scheie.homedns.org> Almquist Burke wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > >>> Just a footnote: The default setup in a two-nic K12LTSP server uses >>> eth0 for the thin client side and uses eth1 to connect to the rest of >>> the school's network. >> >> Peter > > That's only true for older versions of K12LTSP. The FC 9 ones don't have > eth0 or eth1 set by default, eth0 is DHCP be default. Eth1 you have to > set, and since Network Manager is managing eth0, I found it easier to > make eth1 the bridge for thin clients. Yes, but he said in his original message that he is using K12LTSP-EL5, and in that case it does default to eth0 for the clients and eth1 for the school network. I was just trying to clarify things for him in his particular situation. Bringing up the Fedora 9 implementation, AKA K12Linux, which uses LTSP 5 and is therefore a different architecture, and the fact that it's still a work in progress, would seem to just muddy the waters for him. You and I know the difference, but we've been here a while; I think he is relatively new to K12LTSP. Peter From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sat May 31 12:08:36 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 07:08:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 51, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <5114000f0805300807o27319c39pa9c0428eb06d8d81@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080529160032.3086B8E0123@hormel.redhat.com> <5114000f0805300807o27319c39pa9c0428eb06d8d81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48413FC4.6010008@scheie.homedns.org> What version of K12LTSP are you using? Are you using one or two NICs in your server? If two, the DHCP only serves out addresses on the eth0 interface; make sure that's the one that is connected to the clients (and which card is which interface can change/switch from what they were during installation). Peter Patrick Worcester wrote: > The client machine reads off that it didn't receive and dhcp offers. > when i boot the server machine, as it is starting all the services it > comes to dhcp and says Failed instead of Ok. > > > >You'll have to give us more details about what happens when the > clients try to > >boot in order for us help you. Do the clients get an IP address from the > >server? Do they get a kernel? What errors are you seeing? Etc. > > > >Peter > > > >Patrick Worcester wrote: > >> If we are unable to get our clients to boot from the server machine, > >> what are some settings we can change on the server machine to enable the > >> clients to boot from it? We have successfully pinged from client to > >> server and from server to client through the hub. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat May 31 15:26:19 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 10:26:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd failed In-Reply-To: <48413D68.9050509@scheie.homedns.org> References: <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057293E2@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <483D91B5.2090909@biochemfluidics.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC8805729565@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu><483DA0D8.3060003@gmail.com><81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC880572962E@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <8422D059-884C-45E7-AB1C-F5D83A5E73F3@mindfirestudios.com> <81FEAB8CDDC62B42B6E8AA258228BC88057298E9@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> <2FAC4837-AB21-4FF0-920D-FE98159B9016@mindfirestudios.com> <483EF488.8080303@scheie.homedns.org> <48413D68.9050509@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <752F5CBD-E04F-4315-B115-B732401650B9@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> > Yes, but he said in his original message that he is using K12LTSP- > EL5, and in that case it does default to eth0 for the clients and > eth1 for the school network. 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