From SteveSings at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 12:37:22 2008 From: SteveSings at gmail.com (Stephen Crampton) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:37:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: NX Client/nomachine Message-ID: If you just want to use fl_teachertool remotely, I found that I did not need freenx. I have two servers sharing the load on my LTSP network. One of them (server2) is attached to a projector for demos and to display student work. The other (server1) runs a local web server. (Because of school-district policy, we are a stand-alone network, not attached to the Internet.) I log in to my teacher account on server2. When I want to use fl_teachertool, I start it locally, which brings up about half of the clients. Then I open a terminal and type the following: su - ssh -X server1 fl_teachertool & Voila. I get another fl_teachertool window with the other half of the clients. So that I don't have to authenticate every time, I copied the ssh key from server1 to server2. TODO: Put this into a script with an icon that will automatically open up both instances of fl_teachertool. Also, set it up so that I don't have to be root to make the remote fl_teachertool work. QUESTION: Am I correct in assuming that the security issue in fl_teachertool is minimized, because the teacher account is running on the server? A student hacker could view or take control of another student's machine, but not the teacher machine, right? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toddobryan at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 21:01:30 2008 From: toddobryan at gmail.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 17:01:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Java on Linux slow, any ideas? Message-ID: <904774730811011401v63d5c5e2hfa7cd43777399138@mail.gmail.com> I'm running BlueJ, a fairly modest teaching IDE in my lab, and it's slow as molasses. Even slower than Eclipse, if that means anything to you. If I had to guess, I'd guess that every student is getting their own copy of the program and the needed libraries rather than sharing them with everyone else, but I'm not sure how to verify that or what to do about it. The shell script that runs the program is: #!/bin/sh APPBASE="/opt/bluej" CP="$APPBASE/lib/bluej.jar:/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/lib/tools.jar" "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java" -cp "$CP" bluej.Boot $* Anybody have any ideas about how I could maybe speed it up? It's making Linux look bad to my AP Computer Science kids. Thanks, Todd From bfristen at shaw.ca Sun Nov 2 01:19:30 2008 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:19:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp-build-client - command not found Message-ID: <490D0022.2080505@shaw.ca> I am trying to install LTSP5 on a laptop. I did a fresh install of Fedora 9 (specifically so I could install LTSP5) and the system has been updated by yum. The LTSP5 packages have been installed on the laptop using the Software Updater (ie. gui interface for yum), and the Network Configuration Tool shows three active devices eth0 eth0 Ethernet eth1 eth1 Wireless ltspb ltspbr0 Bridge Network Manager is disabled. I have run through the Install Guide at https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide I have all the services specified in the InstallGuide running, and then I get to step 8: ltsp-build-client which gives me a "command not found" message. 'which', of course, shows no such command, and there is no manual entry. I have not found a script by this name anywhere in /etc/ltsp or /usr/share/ltsp. /opt/ltsp contains nothing but an empty 'images' directory. Where is this script? From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Nov 2 12:39:07 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:39:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Java on Linux slow, any ideas? Message-ID: <1225629547.32677.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Todd, This will not really help you out any for a resolve. But I tested bluej last year for viability for a teacher before putting it on a k12ltsp server and it was very slow both on a nice desktop as well as a brand new laptop. I tried launching bluej with different memory parameters,,,blah,,blah,,and didn't make a lick of difference. The browse function would not work at all.The browse would not even go in deeper into directories for one. I had to type in the paths to open project files for example. I'm sure these people have put a lot of time into bluej but it just wouldn't work at all for us. I couldn't find any fixups in the list serve( at the time) there so finally gave up. I am an army of one here:) FYI: I was using fc6 with jdk1.5.0_15 Take Care, Barry Cisna From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sun Nov 2 15:40:19 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:40:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp-build-client - command not found In-Reply-To: <490D0022.2080505@shaw.ca> References: <490D0022.2080505@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <490DC9E3.7070602@scheie.homedns.org> On my F9 system, ltsp-build-client is in /usr/sbin/, and rpm shows that it was installed via the ltsp-server package. Since you have to be root to do all these steps, did you, by chance, use 'su' to become root instead of 'su -' ? The former doesn't set root's environment, including the $PATH, meaning it won't find all the various tools in /sbin, /usr/sbin, etc. Peter Brian Fristensky wrote: > I am trying to install LTSP5 on a laptop. I did a fresh > install of Fedora 9 (specifically so I could install LTSP5) > and the system has been updated by yum. > > The LTSP5 > packages have been installed on the laptop using the > Software Updater (ie. gui interface for yum), and the > Network Configuration Tool shows three active devices > > eth0 eth0 Ethernet > eth1 eth1 Wireless > ltspb ltspbr0 Bridge > > Network Manager is disabled. > > > I have run through the Install Guide at > > https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide > > I have all the services specified in the InstallGuide > running, and then I get to step 8: > > ltsp-build-client > > > which gives me a "command not found" message. 'which', > of course, shows no such command, and there is no > manual entry. I have not found a script by this name > anywhere in /etc/ltsp or /usr/share/ltsp. /opt/ltsp > contains nothing but an empty 'images' directory. > > Where is this script? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bfristen at shaw.ca Sun Nov 2 21:32:21 2008 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:32:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp-build-client - command not found Message-ID: <490E1C65.6070303@shaw.ca> > On my F9 system, ltsp-build-client is in /usr/sbin/, and rpm shows that it > was installed via the ltsp-server package. Since you have to be root to do > all these steps, did you, by chance, use 'su' to become root instead of 'su > -' ? The former doesn't set root's environment, including the $PATH, meaning > it won't find all the various tools in /sbin, /usr/sbin, etc. > > Peter Yes, that was the problem. When I ran it as /usr/sbin/ltsp-build-client the command worked, correctly installing the files in /opt/ltsp. The instructions didn't specifically say to run the command as sudo, and I always find it convenient to have a terminal window open as root when I am doing sysadmin stuff. It is actually a bit surprising to me that su would not set root's $PATH, but I there are probably good reasons for that. Thanks. -- ============================================ Brian Fristensky 971 Somerville Avenue Winnipeg MB R3T 1B4 CANADA bfristen at shaw.ca 204-261-3960 ============================================ From nils at breun.nl Sun Nov 2 21:53:37 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:53:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp-build-client - command not found In-Reply-To: <490E1C65.6070303@shaw.ca> References: <490E1C65.6070303@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <96C5CD72-E3B8-45DE-8C3F-DCC71BD5EB21@breun.nl> Brian Fristensky wrote: >> On my F9 system, ltsp-build-client is in /usr/sbin/, and rpm shows >> that it >> was installed via the ltsp-server package. Since you have to be >> root to do >> all these steps, did you, by chance, use 'su' to become root >> instead of 'su >> -' ? The former doesn't set root's environment, including the >> $PATH, meaning >> it won't find all the various tools in /sbin, /usr/sbin, etc. >> Peter > > Yes, that was the problem. When I ran it as /usr/sbin/ltsp-build- > client > the command worked, correctly installing the files in /opt/ltsp. > > The instructions didn't specifically say to run the command > as sudo, and I always find it convenient to have a terminal window > open as root when I am doing sysadmin stuff. It is actually a bit > surprising to me that su would not set root's $PATH, > but I there are probably good reasons for that. Well, su is short for substitute user. If you want to also change the environment, you have to add the dash (or -l or --login). See 'man su' for more info. You could alias 'su' to 'su -' if you like by adding the following to your .bashrc: ---- alias su='su -' ---- Nils Breunese. From toddobryan at gmail.com Sun Nov 2 22:44:30 2008 From: toddobryan at gmail.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:44:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Java on Linux slow, any ideas? In-Reply-To: <1225629547.32677.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1225629547.32677.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <904774730811021444w1e6c0a4cu5c9b8b23700ef787@mail.gmail.com> Hmm. It works fine on my laptop and my school desktop, and is plenty fast when it's only a few students. Were you using the Sun Java packages or gcj? On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Todd, > > This will not really help you out any for a resolve. But I tested bluej > last year for viability for a teacher before putting it on a k12ltsp > server and it was very slow both on a nice desktop as well as a brand > new laptop. I tried launching bluej with different memory > parameters,,,blah,,blah,,and didn't make a lick of difference. > The browse function would not work at all.The browse would not even go > in deeper into directories for one. I had to type in the paths to open > project files for example. > I'm sure these people have put a lot of time into bluej but it just > wouldn't work at all for us. I couldn't find any fixups in the list > serve( at the time) there so finally gave up. I am an army of one here:) > FYI: I was using fc6 with jdk1.5.0_15 > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Nov 3 00:48:50 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:48:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Java on Linux slow, any ideas? Message-ID: <1225673330.15448.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Todd, I just done an install of bluej on my k12ltsp server here at home,and it runs fine now. I am using the same version of java -- jdk1.5.0_15 only this is now Centos5 versus last years was fc6. Same kernel, only Centos5 is a few numbers newer kernel wise. Newer version of bluej of course too. Maybe i just messed up on the setup way back. Just curious,roughly how many clients can you have running bluej there,before your network tanks? Do you have gig-e backbone there with 100mb going "into the rooms"? Are the clients you are using half way decent? Could try running APPS=Y ( locally) and see if you gain anything this way? Just a thought. Take Care, Barry Cisna From willems.leo at googlemail.com Mon Nov 3 02:47:41 2008 From: willems.leo at googlemail.com (Leo Willems) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:47:41 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LAN games on Linux Terminal server Message-ID: <3fabbdc20811021847y900ab9fta96d74b8e5049afd@mail.gmail.com> At our school we get from time to time requests from students to let them play LAN games at our computer labs on a event. Our servers and clients exist in the Windows world. For several reasons we can not support their requests from the IT point of view. Licensing cost for the "cool commercial" games, installation of the game software on the PC clients. And de-installation after use. The idea would be to run the K12 Linux as terminal server and gateway to the internet. As a temporal setup for the LAN party, unplug the windows world and let it be untouched and let the PC clients LAN boot from the K12 Linux terminal server. Technical not a problem, I like to thank the developer for the of installing a K12 terminal server! Now the question, what cool games to play for high school students on the terminal server? What games would you recommend from the educational point of view? Thanks Leo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DLWillson at TheGeek.NU Mon Nov 3 03:49:16 2008 From: DLWillson at TheGeek.NU (David L. Willson) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:49:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] LAN games on Linux Terminal server In-Reply-To: <2955034.4441225684021646.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> Message-ID: <24807873.4461225684156165.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> Here's my list of favorite games that should be too demanding. LBreakout2 Globulation 2 oolite jumpnbump glest Extreme Tux Racer Battle for Wesnoth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo Willems" To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 7:47:41 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [K12OSN] LAN games on Linux Terminal server At our school we get from time to time requests from students to let them play LAN games at our computer labs on a event. Our servers and clients exist in the Windows world. For several reasons we can not support their requests from the IT point of view. Licensing cost for the "cool commercial" games, installation of the game software on the PC clients. And de-installation after use. The idea would be to run the K12 Linux as terminal server and gateway to the internet. As a temporal setup for the LAN party, unplug the windows world and let it be untouched and let the PC clients LAN boot from the K12 Linux terminal server. Technical not a problem, I like to thank the developer for the of installing a K12 terminal server! Now the question, what cool games to play for high school students on the terminal server? What games would you recommend from the educational point of view? Thanks Leo _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From DLWillson at TheGeek.NU Mon Nov 3 03:59:23 2008 From: DLWillson at TheGeek.NU (David L. Willson) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:59:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] LAN games on Linux Terminal server In-Reply-To: <24807873.4461225684156165.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> Message-ID: <4386691.4491225684763103.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> s/ should / shouldn't / sorry... And I'm not sure about Extreme Tux Racer. The rest are great games and there's enough variety there to please just about every taste, if only for few days. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David L. Willson" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 8:49:16 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LAN games on Linux Terminal server Here's my list of favorite games that should be too demanding. LBreakout2 Globulation 2 oolite jumpnbump glest Extreme Tux Racer Battle for Wesnoth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo Willems" To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 7:47:41 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [K12OSN] LAN games on Linux Terminal server At our school we get from time to time requests from students to let them play LAN games at our computer labs on a event. Our servers and clients exist in the Windows world. For several reasons we can not support their requests from the IT point of view. Licensing cost for the "cool commercial" games, installation of the game software on the PC clients. And de-installation after use. The idea would be to run the K12 Linux as terminal server and gateway to the internet. As a temporal setup for the LAN party, unplug the windows world and let it be untouched and let the PC clients LAN boot from the K12 Linux terminal server. Technical not a problem, I like to thank the developer for the of installing a K12 terminal server! Now the question, what cool games to play for high school students on the terminal server? What games would you recommend from the educational point of view? Thanks Leo _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From CSYPERSKI at dupage88.net Mon Nov 3 13:08:36 2008 From: CSYPERSKI at dupage88.net (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:08:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Auto Login Message-ID: <490EA36C.E4A8.0041.0@dupage88.net> I am sorry if this question has been answered already, but we are attempting to use K12 Linux LTSP for the base a digital signage project we are working on, with about 20 LCD displays placed around out school district. The only road block we have hit is using gdm's autologin for the remote clients. Is there something I am missing? Here is my /etc/gdm/custom.conf: #GDM configuration storage [xdmcp] [chooser] [security] AllowRemoteAutoLogin=true [debug] [daemon] TimedLoginEnable=true TimedLogin=csyperski TimedLoginDelay=10 All this does is autologin the specificed user on the server itself and not the remote clients. Once again, I apologize if this question has been answered already. Thanks in advance for any help/guidance you can provide. Thanks, Chuck Syperski From CSYPERSKI at dupage88.net Mon Nov 3 13:12:20 2008 From: CSYPERSKI at dupage88.net (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:12:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Auto Login In-Reply-To: <490EA36C.E4A8.0041.0@dupage88.net> References: <490EA36C.E4A8.0041.0@dupage88.net> Message-ID: <490EA44C.E4A8.0041.0@dupage88.net> I should also mention I am running the Fedora 9 based install. >>> "CHUCK SYPERSKI" 11/3/2008 7:08 AM >>> I am sorry if this question has been answered already, but we are attempting to use K12 Linux LTSP for the base a digital signage project we are working on, with about 20 LCD displays placed around out school district. The only road block we have hit is using gdm's autologin for the remote clients. Is there something I am missing? Here is my /etc/gdm/custom.conf: #GDM configuration storage [xdmcp] [chooser] [security] AllowRemoteAutoLogin=true [debug] [daemon] TimedLoginEnable=true TimedLogin=csyperski TimedLoginDelay=10 All this does is autologin the specificed user on the server itself and not the remote clients. Once again, I apologize if this question has been answered already. Thanks in advance for any help/guidance you can provide. Thanks, Chuck Syperski _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Mon Nov 3 16:20:34 2008 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:20:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash Plugin Message-ID: <20081103T082034Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> Hello, I am trying to get flash to work on a k12ltsp setup. It is a k12ltsp on FC6 (I know I need to upgrade and have put some time into it but...) I have installed flash-plugin but it does not work. Firefox if version 3.0.3. Can anyone point to how to get it working? Thanks. Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Nov 3 16:02:35 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:02:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Flash Plugin Message-ID: <55754.216.24.126.66.1225728155.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Steve, If you did install the flashplugin from yum or manually with an rpm you will need to copy the following directory to your "upgraded" firefox /plugins directory. For some reason the FF upgrade usually does not pull the installed plugins into the new FF directory as it should. drill to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ,,, copy this dir. to,>> /usr/lib/firefox3.0.3/plugins ,,, ( or the FF#.#.# dir may look a bit different than what I have shown here). Close all your web browsers if any are open. Now open your FF browser. in the address bar type in : about:plugins You should see SHOCKWAVE FLASH >> Shockwave Flash & Future Splash listed. Take Care, Barry Cisna From gentgeen at wikiak.org Mon Nov 3 16:24:49 2008 From: gentgeen at wikiak.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:24:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LAN games on Linux Terminal server In-Reply-To: <24807873.4461225684156165.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> References: <2955034.4441225684021646.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> <24807873.4461225684156165.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> Message-ID: <20081103112449.3c56d39a@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:49:16 -0700 (MST) "David L. Willson" wrote: > > Battle for Wesnoth > Second this one.. in fact I have LTSP set up in my house, and me and my 3 kids regularly play together in just such a setup. -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From peter at scheie.homedns.org Mon Nov 3 16:46:18 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:46:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Auto Login In-Reply-To: <490EA44C.E4A8.0041.0@dupage88.net> References: <490EA36C.E4A8.0041.0@dupage88.net> <490EA44C.E4A8.0041.0@dupage88.net> Message-ID: <490F2ADA.3030402@scheie.homedns.org> Since you mention Fedora 9, I assume you're using LTSP 5. LTSP 5 doesn't use GDM, it uses LDM. LDM has some autologin features, but we haven't yet documented their use on K12linux/Fedora. You might have a look at the LTSP documentation or Ubuntu's docs. Peter CHUCK SYPERSKI wrote: > I should also mention I am running the Fedora 9 based install. > >>>> "CHUCK SYPERSKI" 11/3/2008 7:08 AM >>> > I am sorry if this question has been answered already, but we are attempting to use K12 Linux LTSP for the base a digital signage project we are working on, with about 20 LCD displays placed around out school district. The only road block we have hit is using gdm's autologin for the remote clients. Is there something I am missing? Here is my /etc/gdm/custom.conf: > > #GDM configuration storage > > [xdmcp] > > [chooser] > > [security] > AllowRemoteAutoLogin=true > > [debug] > > [daemon] > TimedLoginEnable=true > TimedLogin=csyperski > TimedLoginDelay=10 > > All this does is autologin the specificed user on the server itself and not the remote clients. Once again, I apologize if this question has been answered already. Thanks in advance for any help/guidance you can provide. > > Thanks, > Chuck Syperski > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From CSYPERSKI at dupage88.net Mon Nov 3 17:31:47 2008 From: CSYPERSKI at dupage88.net (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:31:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Auto Login In-Reply-To: <490F2ADA.3030402@scheie.homedns.org> References: <490EA36C.E4A8.0041.0@dupage88.net> <490EA44C.E4A8.0041.0@dupage88.net> <490F2ADA.3030402@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <490EE11A.E4A8.0041.0@dupage88.net> Thanks for help, it is appreciated! >>> Peter Scheie 11/3/2008 10:46 AM >>> Since you mention Fedora 9, I assume you're using LTSP 5. LTSP 5 doesn't use GDM, it uses LDM. LDM has some autologin features, but we haven't yet documented their use on K12linux/Fedora. You might have a look at the LTSP documentation or Ubuntu's docs. Peter CHUCK SYPERSKI wrote: > I should also mention I am running the Fedora 9 based install. > >>>> "CHUCK SYPERSKI" 11/3/2008 7:08 AM >>> > I am sorry if this question has been answered already, but we are attempting to use K12 Linux LTSP for the base a digital signage project we are working on, with about 20 LCD displays placed around out school district. The only road block we have hit is using gdm's autologin for the remote clients. Is there something I am missing? Here is my /etc/gdm/custom.conf: > > #GDM configuration storage > > [xdmcp] > > [chooser] > > [security] > AllowRemoteAutoLogin=true > > [debug] > > [daemon] > TimedLoginEnable=true > TimedLogin=csyperski > TimedLoginDelay=10 > > All this does is autologin the specificed user on the server itself and not the remote clients. Once again, I apologize if this question has been answered already. Thanks in advance for any help/guidance you can provide. > > Thanks, > Chuck Syperski > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Mon Nov 3 18:52:33 2008 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:52:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash Plugin References: <55754.216.24.126.66.1225728155.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <20081103T105233Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> Thank you Barry. That worked like a champ. Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu >>> Barry R Cisna 11/3/08 8:02:35 AM >>> Hi Steve, If you did install the flashplugin from yum or manually with an rpm you will need to copy the following directory to your "upgraded" firefox /plugins directory. For some reason the FF upgrade usually does not pull the installed plugins into the new FF directory as it should. drill to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ,,, copy this dir. to,>> /usr/lib/firefox3.0.3/plugins ,,, ( or the FF#.#.# dir may look a bit different than what I have shown here). Close all your web browsers if any are open. Now open your FF browser. in the address bar type in : about:plugins You should see SHOCKWAVE FLASH >> Shockwave Flash & Future Splash listed. Take Care, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12ltsp at hermon.net Mon Nov 3 20:56:19 2008 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:56:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CTRL-ALT-Backspace Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestion. It didn't work (prevented X from loading), but it lead me to the correct direction. The xinit -t didn't work either. I did find a way to get it turned off. It's probably not the "correct" method or the best method, but I edited the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg file, which is a script a terminal runs at bootu- to generate the xdm.conf file for the X server, and added the lines into it: Section "Serverflags" Option "DontZap" "yes" EndSection It was added under the "Setup Keyboard and Mouse" section since the KB and mouse will always be needed (and this portion of the script is guaranteed to be executed). Now CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE won't work anymore. Sharing this incase others are looking for a solution to this problem or knows of a better way to turn it off. Thanks! "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Try: >X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "DontZap\" \"yes" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Owen Assistant to the Director of Information Services Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Automatic Notice: Emails of a private nature from this account may not be shared to any third-party. Sharing confidential information from this account may construe a breach of confidence under state law. All messages from this account are written and sent from the State of Maine. From bfristen at shaw.ca Tue Nov 4 00:14:39 2008 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:14:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] No response from server. Restarting Message-ID: <490F93EF.4090904@shaw.ca> I am getting LTSP5 to start up, and I get the Login screen. I type in a userid and password, and get the message Verifying password The system thinks for awhile, and then I get No response from server. Restarting. Then the screen goes blank, displaying only the arrow cursor. Nothing else happens. My particulars: Server: LTSP5 on a laptop running a fresh and updated Fedora 9 install, LTSP set up as per the instructions. Client: LTSP Term 1420 PXE from Diskless Workstations (This may or may not have any bearing. I did the default build using ltsp-build-client, which produces an i386 chroot. Is this correct for the 1420 PXE? There were no The host is a 64-bit machine, and the 1420 specification sheet doesn't explicitly say whether that is a 64-bit or 32-bit architecture.) Brian Fristensky From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Nov 4 01:05:36 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:05:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] No response from server. Restarting Message-ID: <1225760736.22421.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Brian, I assume what you are describing in your post is on your TC? If this is the case, try uncommenting the SCREEN_02 = shell in your lts.conf file. Crank up your TC, when it gets to your login do the 'ol CTL-ALT-F2 and drop to a shell. Once you get the bash prompt try a 'startx' and just see what happens here. If you get an login here try and login. If it bombs like it is currently doing look in your system log file. I bet it will be descriptive enough you will get some good clues possibly. Do you have iptables stopped while testing this? Try another TC if you have one available. Who knows maybe this TC is getting wonky with your build of ltsp. Doubtful though. Also, try adding a couple new usernames/passwords to try. Keep scratching. Take Care, Barry Cisna From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Nov 4 11:47:24 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:47:24 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Capturing snapshots from camera Message-ID: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing field to capture an image every 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd like to use and a video input card (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) but I'm not sure what software to use to do this. Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X minutes Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Tue Nov 4 13:05:01 2008 From: glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:05:01 -0500 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Capturing=20snapshots=20from?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20camera?= References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible webcam. It will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here that can suggest easy to get compatible webcams. >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 06:47:24 >>> I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing field to capture an image every 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd like to use and a video input card (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) but I'm not sure what software to use to do this. Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X minutes Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Nov 4 13:54:03 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:54:03 +0000 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UsOpcC4gOiBbSzEyT1NOXSBDYXB0dXJpbmcgc25hcHNob3RzIGY=?= =?UTF-8?B?cm9tIGNhbWVyYQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Message-ID: <491053FB.10107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of lens that we'd need. I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at the mo to see if that'll do it. Brian Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible webcam. It > will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here that can > suggest easy to get compatible webcams. > > > >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 06:47:24 >>> > I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing > field to capture an image every > 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. > > I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd like to > use and a video input card > (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) > but I'm not sure what software > to use to do this. > > Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X > minutes > > Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. > > Thanks > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Tue Nov 4 14:42:05 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:42:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Capturing snapshots from camera In-Reply-To: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <49105F3D.3050705@biochemfluidics.com> Have you looked into zoneminder? http://www.zoneminder.com/ In my brief research that I've done on this subject, it seems the best solution is to get an IP camera by a reputable manufacturer. I think Axis was recommended on some of the sites I viewed. -Rob Brian Chivers wrote: > I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing > field to capture an image every 30 minutes so we can see how much it is > being used. > > I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd like to > use and a video input card (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll > get one that is *grin*) but I'm not sure what software to use to do this. > > Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X > minutes > > Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. > > Thanks > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Nov 4 14:47:13 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:47:13 -0600 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20R=C3=A9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Capturing=20snapshots?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20from=20camera?= In-Reply-To: <491053FB.10107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491053FB.10107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> You aren't needing to read the labels on their clothes. . . you just need to see if there is someone *there*. . . "Quality" isn't as much of a factor as "the presence of" if you are using this for the described purpose. DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 7:54 AM >>> Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of lens that we'd need. I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at the mo to see if that'll do it. Brian Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible webcam. It > will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here that can > suggest easy to get compatible webcams. > > > >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 06:47:24 >>> > I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing > field to capture an image every > 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. > > I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd like to > use and a video input card > (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) > but I'm not sure what software > to use to do this. > > Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X > minutes > > Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. > > Thanks > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Tue Nov 4 15:12:40 2008 From: glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:12:40 -0500 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Capturing=20snapshots=20?= =?UTF-8?Q?from=20camera?= References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491053FB.10107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20081104T101240Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> There must be a webcam that is to your liking, take a look at this Philips webcam with a precision 3X zoom and 1.3 Mpixels. http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/fr/fr/consumer/cc/_productid_SPC630NC_00_FR_CONSUMER/Webcam+SPC630NC-00#/consumer/fr/fr/consumer/cc/_productid_SPC630NC_00_FR_CONSUMER/Webcam+SPC630NC-00 Google for "precision webcam -dell" >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 08:54:03 >>> Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of lens that we'd need. I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at the mo to see if that'll do it. Brian Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible webcam. It > will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here that can > suggest easy to get compatible webcams. > > > >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 06:47:24 >>> > I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing > field to capture an image every > 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. > > I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd like to > use and a video input card > (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) > but I'm not sure what software > to use to do this. > > Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X > minutes > > Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. > > Thanks > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From monteslu at cox.net Tue Nov 4 15:43:35 2008 From: monteslu at cox.net (monteslu at cox.net) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 7:43:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Capturing snapshots from camera In-Reply-To: <49105F3D.3050705@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <20081104104335.VKR97.237738.imail@fed1rmwml38> You can also get a dlink dcs-900 for about 60-70 bucks. It has a little built in webserver that you can get the image from a URL like http://camera_ip/image.jpg Would be trivial to set up a cron job to do a wget on that image. Not great quality, but you should be able to tell if people are in the lab. Luis ---- Rob Owens wrote: > Have you looked into zoneminder? http://www.zoneminder.com/ > > In my brief research that I've done on this subject, it seems the best > solution is to get an IP camera by a reputable manufacturer. I think > Axis was recommended on some of the sites I viewed. > > -Rob > > Brian Chivers wrote: > > I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing > > field to capture an image every 30 minutes so we can see how much it is > > being used. > > > > I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd like to > > use and a video input card (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll > > get one that is *grin*) but I'm not sure what software to use to do this. > > > > Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X > > minutes > > > > Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. > > > > Thanks > > Brian Chivers > > Portsmouth College > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > ******************************************************** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, > copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in > error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. > E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as > information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or > incomplete, or contain viruses. > The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions > in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail > transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy > version. > > ******************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Nov 4 18:39:45 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:39:45 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_Capturing_s?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?napshots_from_camera?= In-Reply-To: <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491053FB.10107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <491096F1.1050605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> OK I'll give you all little more background and it might explain my need for quality :-) You assumed that we're looking at people :-) we need to count GEESE yes that's right we need to know how many geese roughly are using our field before we are allowed to build a new college. These are Brent geese that come over from Canada to feed etc & the local nature people have said we need to have numbers before we can go ahead, they've said that snapshots would be OK. It's ridiculous that geese are stopping us build a new College but it's taken almost 3 years to get to this point !!!! Brian Doug Simpson wrote: > You aren't needing to read the labels on their clothes. . . you just need to see if there is someone *there*. . . > > "Quality" isn't as much of a factor as "the presence of" if you are using this for the described purpose. > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > >>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 7:54 AM >>> >>>> > Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of lens that we'd need. > > I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at the mo to see if that'll do it. > > Brian > > Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > >> My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible webcam. It >> will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here that can >> suggest easy to get compatible webcams. >> >> >> >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 06:47:24 >>> >> I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing >> field to capture an image every >> 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. >> >> I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd like to >> use and a video input card >> (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) >> but I'm not sure what software >> to use to do this. >> >> Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X >> minutes >> >> Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. >> >> Thanks >> Brian Chivers >> Portsmouth College >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 19:34:13 2008 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:34:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hotmail DOA- Hotmail won't allow users to enter text in body of email Message-ID: <8b88203f0811041134i1c9c4d93sc70fb0da9432ec1a@mail.gmail.com> Well, I've been wondering about when all of the students were going to come to me complaining that hotmail doesn't work since we been getting the "Upgrade your Browser" message from hotmail. This morning it finally happened and I've not only heard from students but also loudly from some teachers... I've said that our only solution is to use another webmail system know to work like gmail... Are there any fixes to this problem that you know about? Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moon at smbis.com Tue Nov 4 19:36:50 2008 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:36:50 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_R=E9p._:_=5BK12OSN=5D_Capturing_snapshots_from_camera?= In-Reply-To: <491096F1.1050605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491053FB.10107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk><49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491096F1.1050605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <7A929F6ECB7F47CFBED3B76922C49987@acerpc> Seems to me you might want to reconsider doing this at all, and look into hiring a lawyer that knows what they are doing. Since the environmentalists are the ones opposing your building on this land, I would think the onus would be on them to prove it being detrimental to the migrating birds. I would seriously look into hiring another lawyer if the one I had couldn't have made this very clear. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Chivers [mailto:brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 01:40 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: R?p. : [K12OSN] Capturing snapshots from camera OK I'll give you all little more background and it might explain my need for quality :-) You assumed that we're looking at people :-) we need to count GEESE yes that's right we need to know how many geese roughly are using our field before we are allowed to build a new college. These are Brent geese that come over from Canada to feed etc & the local nature people have said we need to have numbers before we can go ahead, they've said that snapshots would be OK. It's ridiculous that geese are stopping us build a new College but it's taken almost 3 years to get to this point !!!! Brian Doug Simpson wrote: > You aren't needing to read the labels on their clothes. . . you just need to see if there is someone *there*. . . > > "Quality" isn't as much of a factor as "the presence of" if you are using this for the described purpose. > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > >>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 7:54 AM >>> >>>> > Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of lens that we'd need. > > I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at the mo to see if that'll do it. > > Brian > > Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > >> My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible webcam. It >> will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here that can >> suggest easy to get compatible webcams. >> >> >> >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 06:47:24 >>> >> I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing >> field to capture an image every >> 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. >> >> I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd like to >> use and a video input card >> (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) >> but I'm not sure what software >> to use to do this. >> >> Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X >> minutes >> >> Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. >> >> Thanks >> Brian Chivers >> Portsmouth College >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Nov 4 19:37:08 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:37:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hotmail DOA- Hotmail won't allow users to enter text in body of email In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0811041134i1c9c4d93sc70fb0da9432ec1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0811041134i1c9c4d93sc70fb0da9432ec1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49105003.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> We don't allow use of "free email" sites here. Some people think the rules don't apply to them and they break them by using a circumventer of some sort or another, but as a general rule, no "free email" here. They use what we provide or they just don't use it. DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> "Jim Christiansen" 11/4/2008 1:34 PM >>> Well, I've been wondering about when all of the students were going to come to me complaining that hotmail doesn't work since we been getting the "Upgrade your Browser" message from hotmail. This morning it finally happened and I've not only heard from students but also loudly from some teachers... I've said that our only solution is to use another webmail system know to work like gmail... Are there any fixes to this problem that you know about? Thanks, Jim From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Nov 4 19:42:18 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:42:18 -0600 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20R=C3=A9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Capturing=20snapshots?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20from=20camera?= In-Reply-To: <491096F1.1050605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491053FB.10107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us><49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491096F1.1050605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4910513A.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> See? If you had been just a tad more explicit as to what you were looking to be looking at, we would have saved a lot of time, here. . . Is there any indoor location with a clear view of that field? Some regular webcams come with software that will sit there and record, but only capture any data when there is actual activity. Kinda like a motion-activated video recorder. Had a good sized hard drive in an olod laptop connected to a decent quality webcam with the motion-activated recorder and there ya go. You should be able to see geese in even an inexpensive webcam unless the field is a quarter mile away or something. . . DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 12:39 PM >>> OK I'll give you all little more background and it might explain my need for quality :-) You assumed that we're looking at people :-) we need to count GEESE yes that's right we need to know how many geese roughly are using our field before we are allowed to build a new college. These are Brent geese that come over from Canada to feed etc & the local nature people have said we need to have numbers before we can go ahead, they've said that snapshots would be OK. It's ridiculous that geese are stopping us build a new College but it's taken almost 3 years to get to this point !!!! Brian Doug Simpson wrote: > You aren't needing to read the labels on their clothes. . . you just need to see if there is someone *there*. . . > > "Quality" isn't as much of a factor as "the presence of" if you are using this for the described purpose. > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > >>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 7:54 AM >>> >>>> > Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of lens that we'd need. > > I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at the mo to see if that'll do it. > > Brian > > Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > >> My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible webcam. It >> will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here that can >> suggest easy to get compatible webcams. >> >> >> >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 06:47:24 >>> >> I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing >> field to capture an image every >> 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. >> >> I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd like to >> use and a video input card >> (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) >> but I'm not sure what software >> to use to do this. >> >> Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X >> minutes >> >> Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. >> >> Thanks >> Brian Chivers >> Portsmouth College >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Tue Nov 4 20:02:01 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:02:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hotmail DOA- Hotmail won't allow users to enter text in body of email In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0811041134i1c9c4d93sc70fb0da9432ec1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0811041134i1c9c4d93sc70fb0da9432ec1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4910AA39.2000803@biochemfluidics.com> What browser and what distro are you using? Jim Christiansen wrote: > Well, I've been wondering about when all of the students were going to > come to me complaining that hotmail doesn't work since we been getting > the "Upgrade your Browser" message from hotmail. This morning it > finally happened and I've not only heard from students but also loudly > from some teachers... > > I've said that our only solution is to use another webmail system know > to work like gmail... > > Are there any fixes to this problem that you know about? > > Thanks, Jim > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Guy Lessard Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais Gatineau, Qu?bec Canada >>> Brian Chivers 04/11/08 13:41 >>> OK I'll give you all little more background and it might explain my need for quality :-) You assumed that we're looking at people :-) we need to count GEESE yes that's right we need to know how many geese roughly are using our field before we are allowed to build a new college. These are Brent geese that come over from Canada to feed etc & the local nature people have said we need to have numbers before we can go ahead, they've said that snapshots would be OK. It's ridiculous that geese are stopping us build a new College but it's taken almost 3 years to get to this point !!!! Brian Doug Simpson wrote: > You aren't needing to read the labels on their clothes. . . you just need to see if there is someone *there*. . . > > "Quality" isn't as much of a factor as "the presence of" if you are using this for the described purpose. > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > >>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 7:54 AM >>> >>>> > Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of lens that we'd need. > > I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at the mo to see if that'll do it. > > Brian > > Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > >> My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible webcam. It >> will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here that can >> suggest easy to get compatible webcams. >> >> >> >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 06:47:24 >>> >> I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing >> field to capture an image every >> 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. >> >> I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd like to >> use and a video input card >> (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) >> but I'm not sure what software >> to use to do this. >> >> Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X >> minutes >> >> Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. >> >> Thanks >> Brian Chivers >> Portsmouth College >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Nov 5 10:26:17 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:26:17 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_Capturing_s?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?napshots_from_camera?= In-Reply-To: <4910513A.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491053FB.10107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us><49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491096F1.1050605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4910513A.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <491174C9.2040806@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Sorry, I was a little "embarrassed" to say what I actually need it to do :-) The lawyers have looked into this & it's them that have told us we'd have to do it :-/ Brian Doug Simpson wrote: > See? If you had been just a tad more explicit as to what you were looking to be looking at, we would have saved a lot of time, here. . . > > Is there any indoor location with a clear view of that field? Some regular webcams come with software that will sit there and record, but only capture any data when there is actual activity. Kinda like a motion-activated video recorder. Had a good sized hard drive in an olod laptop connected to a decent quality webcam with the motion-activated recorder and there ya go. You should be able to see geese in even an inexpensive webcam unless the field is a quarter mile away or something. . . > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > >>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 12:39 PM >>> > OK I'll give you all little more background and it might explain my need > for quality :-) > > You assumed that we're looking at people :-) we need to count GEESE yes > that's right we need to know how many geese roughly are using our field > before we are allowed to build a new college. These are Brent geese > that come over from Canada to feed etc & the local nature people have > said we need to have numbers before we can go ahead, they've said that > snapshots would be OK. > > It's ridiculous that geese are stopping us build a new College but it's > taken almost 3 years to get to this point !!!! > > Brian > > Doug Simpson wrote: >> You aren't needing to read the labels on their clothes. . . you just need to see if there is someone *there*. . . >> >> "Quality" isn't as much of a factor as "the presence of" if you are using this for the described purpose. >> >> DS >> >> Doug Simpson >> Technology Specialist >> De Queen Public Schools >> De Queen, AR >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >> >> >> >>>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 7:54 AM >>> >>>>> >> Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of lens that we'd need. >> >> I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at the mo to see if that'll do it. >> >> Brian >> >> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: >> >>> My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible webcam. It >>> will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here that can >>> suggest easy to get compatible webcams. >>> >>> >>> >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 06:47:24 >>> >>> I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing >>> field to capture an image every >>> 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. >>> >>> I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd like to >>> use and a video input card >>> (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) >>> but I'm not sure what software >>> to use to do this. >>> >>> Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X >>> minutes >>> >>> Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Brian Chivers >>> Portsmouth College >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>> >>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From whatch at anwsu.org Wed Nov 5 14:32:49 2008 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:32:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] kompozer/web page maker for k12ltsp Message-ID: <49116857.0948.00D4.0@anwsu.org> I've got k12ltsp (centos 5) running and would like to install kompozer or nvu. I can't find an rpm for it. Does anybody know how to get one of these web page makers installed; or another program to make/edit webpages? *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you're not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. 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K12ltsp5 (centos 5) with firefox and fully updated ------------------------------ - *From*: Rob Owens - *To*: "Support list for open source software in schools." - *Subject*: Re: [K12OSN] Hotmail DOA- Hotmail won't allow users to enter text in body of email - *Date*: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:02:01 -0500 ------------------------------ What browser and what distro are you using? Jim Christiansen wrote: > Well, I've been wondering about when all of the students were going to > come to me complaining that hotmail doesn't work since we been getting > the "Upgrade your Browser" message from hotmail. This morning it > finally happened and I've not only heard from students but also loudly > from some teachers... > > I've said that our only solution is to use another webmail system know > to work like gmail... > > Are there any fixes to this problem that you know about? > > Thanks, Jim > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Nov 5 15:56:33 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:56:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12OSN a bit OT - how to make responses on the same interface request came in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4911C231.30801@cmosnetworks.com> OK, this still sounds like a classic routing issue, in this case, on server A's part. From what I can gather, server A's eth2 must use a cable connection with a static IP, and you're using a static NAT entry to translate that 192.168.x.x IP address to that globally routable static IP. That's the only way that packets of any sort could enter eth2 from the outside, which it sounds like is what's happening here. Actually, the way I'd do it is to eschew trying to connect to server A's eth2 at all and just connect to eth1, which sits on that fractional T1. If you're concerned about bandwidth on that fractional T1, then looks like it's time to upgrade that fractional T1 to maybe a full T1 or possibly another type of connection. My cable modem (with a static IP, no less) has a speed of 5Mbps down, 2Mbps up, which is faster than even full T1 speeds, and much less money. Furthermore, I'd make the default route for server A going out eth1, not eth2--otherwise, there's no point to even having the fractional T1 in the first place. That's just money wasted. If my understanding's off here, then is there any way you could do up a diagram and PM it to me? No sense in cluttering the list with graphics. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Terrell, > Thank you for the speedy response. I see that I made my usual > mess when asking a simple question, so I'll try to to clean it up: > > server A: eth1 routable public address 74.x.x.x, frac T1, > eth2 cable non-routable address 192.168.x.x, fast, default route > openvpn run as server and client > server B: eth1 cable, non routable 10.10.x.x > openvpn run as client only > server C: eth1 routable public address 65.x.x.x > openvpn run as server and client > server D: eth1 routable public address 216.x.x.x > openvpn run as server > > server A connects as openvpn client to server D using default route and > to server C on 65.x.x.x using eth2 by the way of a simple ip route add command. > > server B connects as openvpn client to server C on 65.x.x.x > > server B needs to connect as openvpn client to server A on 74.x.x.x, this > fails because on server A the UDP packets come on eth2, but responses go > on eth1. The address of server B is private (ISP provided) and changes > dynamically. > > What do I do to make server B connect to server A using openvpn? > > I hope that is clearer. Btw, your answer is spot on for the question I > asked instead of the question I meant to ask. > > julius > > > > On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, [ISO-8859-1] "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > > >> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> >>> Dear Folks, >>> I am somewhat stumped with a simple networking scenario: >>> eth0 - internal, >>> eth1 - external fast, dhcp non-routable, default route, >>> eth2 - external public address not very fast. >>> I am using openvpn and for connections to other servers I can >>> easily specify which interface to use. What I need to do is to connect to >>> openvpn server process on eth2. Unfortunately packets come in on eth2 but >>> travel out on eth1 - default. Source based routing is no help, since I am >>> not just passing the packets based on the incoming interface, but I'm >>> trying to push responses on eth2. Essentialy, on receipt on eth2 of an UDP >>> packets on port 1194 I need to answer with UDP packet om port 1194 on >>> eth2. >>> The computers trying to connect have only private addresses from >>> cable ISPs. >>> Any suggestions? Please ... >>> julius >>> >>> >> What I'd do is make a static route for this OpenVPN server, pointing to >> eth2's next hop. Something like this: >> >> thedude at linuxbox# route add -host w.x.y.z gw a.b.c.d >> >> where w.x.y.z is the OpenVPN box that you want to talk to, and a.b.c.d >> is eth2's next-hop router. Now, if you have a bunch of OpenVPN boxes in >> the same subnet that you have to talk to--for example, the 44.55.66.0/24 >> network, I'd do it like this: >> >> thedude at linuxbox# route add -net 44.55.66.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw >> a.b.c.d >> >> where, again, a.b.c.d is eth2's next hop. >> >> --TP >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU ? >> Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate >> antivirus protection! >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim Christiansen wrote: > Well, I've been wondering about when all of the students were going to > come to me complaining that hotmail doesn't work since we been getting > the "Upgrade your Browser" message from hotmail. This morning it > finally happened and I've not only heard from students but also loudly > from some teachers... > > I've said that our only solution is to use another webmail system know > to work like gmail... > > Are there any fixes to this problem that you know about? > > Thanks, Jim > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Wed Nov 5 16:16:40 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:16:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] kompozer/web page maker for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <49116857.0948.00D4.0@anwsu.org> Message-ID: <4911C6E8.3010807@biochemfluidics.com> Nils Breunese wrote: > Will Hatch wrote: > >> I've got k12ltsp (centos 5) running and would like to install kompozer >> or nvu. I can't find an rpm for it. Does anybody know how to get one >> of these web page makers installed; or another program to make/edit >> webpages? > > The KompoZer website has an rpm you can download: > http://www.kompozer.net/ I haven't tried it myself. > I'm using kompozer 0.7.10 on CentOS 5 -- I think I downloaded it from the kompozer website. It works fine. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Wed Nov 5 16:20:51 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:20:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hotmail DOA- Hotmail won't allow users to enter text in body of email In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0811050651y3d798507le23369218016d366@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0811050651y3d798507le23369218016d366@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4911C7E3.1020108@biochemfluidics.com> Just making sure you were using something current... I have the same system as you. I can access www.hotmail.com and can go through the signup routine (but I stopped before actually creating an account). I didn't get any errors. Can you do the same on your system? Firefox on CentOS 5 is pretty current, so this seems like it's either a mistake / config problem or it's Microsoft singling out a particular browser and/or operating system that they don't want to play nice with! -Rob Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi Rob, I was just thinking this am that I should have put this info in... > > K12ltsp5 (centos 5) with firefox and fully updated > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > * /From/: Rob Owens > * /To/: "Support list for open source software in schools." redhat com> > * /Subject/: Re: [K12OSN] Hotmail DOA- Hotmail won't allow users to > enter text in body of email > * /Date/: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:02:01 -0500 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > What browser and what distro are you using? > > Jim Christiansen wrote: >> Well, I've been wondering about when all of the students were going to >> come to me complaining that hotmail doesn't work since we been getting > >> the "Upgrade your Browser" message from hotmail. This morning it >> finally happened and I've not only heard from students but also loudly >> from some teachers... >> >> I've said that our only solution is to use another webmail system know > >> to work like gmail... >> >> Are there any fixes to this problem that you know about? >> >> Thanks, Jim >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Wed Nov 5 16:25:31 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:25:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hotmail DOA- Hotmail won't allow users to enter text in body of email In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0811050817q4abfd843uca21734fd3830f36@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0811050817q4abfd843uca21734fd3830f36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4911C8FB.5000603@biochemfluidics.com> You could download the tarball from mozilla.com and create a package using checkinstall. checkinstall is in the rpmforge repository. -Rob Jim Christiansen wrote: > OK, I have one non-ltsp ubuntu server running firefox 3.0.3 and a student can set text in both the subject line and message body text... > > My ltsp servers are running k12ltsp centos5. One with firefox 3.0.2 and 3.0.1. .. these browsers can not send hotmail emails. Is there a way I can yum update the three k12ltsp server to firefox 3.0.3? > > > I suppose I could setup a firefox running outside of opt... > > Thanks, > > Jim > > ========================= > What browser and what distro are you using? > > Jim Christiansen wrote: >> Well, I've been wondering about when all of the students were going to > >> come to me complaining that hotmail doesn't work since we been getting >> the "Upgrade your Browser" message from hotmail. This morning it >> finally happened and I've not only heard from students but also loudly > >> from some teachers... >> >> I've said that our only solution is to use another webmail system know >> to work like gmail... >> >> Are there any fixes to this problem that you know about? > >> >> Thanks, Jim >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Wed Nov 5 16:41:23 2008 From: glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:41:23 -0500 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Capturing=20snapshots=20?= =?UTF-8?Q?from=20camera?= References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491053FB.10107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491096F1.1050605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4910513A.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <4910513A.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491174C9.2040806@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20081105T114123Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Youre really screwed with this. OK there you go, either ou get a quality webcam (glass zoom lens, ...) or a capture card and a cctv camera. I still think that the webcam would be the easy way. >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-05 05:26:17 >>> Sorry, I was a little "embarrassed" to say what I actually need it to do :-) The lawyers have looked into this & it's them that have told us we'd have to do it :-/ Brian Doug Simpson wrote: > See? If you had been just a tad more explicit as to what you were looking to be looking at, we would have saved a lot of time, here. . . > > Is there any indoor location with a clear view of that field? Some regular webcams come with software that will sit there and record, but only capture any data when there is actual activity. Kinda like a motion-activated video recorder. Had a good sized hard drive in an olod laptop connected to a decent quality webcam with the motion-activated recorder and there ya go. You should be able to see geese in even an inexpensive webcam unless the field is a quarter mile away or something. . . > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > >>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 12:39 PM >>> > OK I'll give you all little more background and it might explain my need > for quality :-) > > You assumed that we're looking at people :-) we need to count GEESE yes > that's right we need to know how many geese roughly are using our field > before we are allowed to build a new college. These are Brent geese > that come over from Canada to feed etc & the local nature people have > said we need to have numbers before we can go ahead, they've said that > snapshots would be OK. > > It's ridiculous that geese are stopping us build a new College but it's > taken almost 3 years to get to this point !!!! > > Brian > > Doug Simpson wrote: >> You aren't needing to read the labels on their clothes. . . you just need to see if there is someone *there*. . . >> >> "Quality" isn't as much of a factor as "the presence of" if you are using this for the described purpose. >> >> DS >> >> Doug Simpson >> Technology Specialist >> De Queen Public Schools >> De Queen, AR >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >> >> >> >>>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 7:54 AM >>> >>>>> >> Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of lens that we'd need. >> >> I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at the mo to see if that'll do it. >> >> Brian >> >> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: >> >>> My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible webcam. It >>> will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here that can >>> suggest easy to get compatible webcams. >>> >>> >>> >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 06:47:24 >>> >>> I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing >>> field to capture an image every >>> 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. >>> >>> I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd like to >>> use and a video input card >>> (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) >>> but I'm not sure what software >>> to use to do this. >>> >>> Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X >>> minutes >>> >>> Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Brian Chivers >>> Portsmouth College >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>> >>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Nov 5 17:07:08 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:07:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hotmail DOA- Hotmail won't allow users to enter text in body of email In-Reply-To: <4911C7E3.1020108@biochemfluidics.com> References: <8b88203f0811050651y3d798507le23369218016d366@mail.gmail.com> <4911C7E3.1020108@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <4911D2BC.7010404@cmosnetworks.com> Rob Owens wrote: > Just making sure you were using something current... > > I have the same system as you. I can access www.hotmail.com and can go > through the signup routine (but I stopped before actually creating an > account). I didn't get any errors. Can you do the same on your system? > > Firefox on CentOS 5 is pretty current, so this seems like it's either a > mistake / config problem or it's Microsoft singling out a particular > browser and/or operating system that they don't want to play nice with! > I've seen intermittent problems w/ HotMail on Ubuntu Hardy Heron as well. Sometimes HotMail will work w/ Ubuntu's Firefox (my friend uses Hardy), and other times it doesn't. Same browser, same config, same (very unclogged and very big) connection to the Internet. She has since switched to Gmail. I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to introduce "glitches" into HotMail every so often. They've done it several times before, including breaking Windows XP compatibility with Samba (the Samba team coded around it). Remember that JavaScript allows you to bypass the browser ID string and use other means to determine browser and OS (Remedy Magic does exactly this). --TP From nils at breun.nl Wed Nov 5 18:07:07 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:07:07 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Hotmail DOA- Hotmail won't allow users to enter text in body of email In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0811050817q4abfd843uca21734fd3830f36@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0811050817q4abfd843uca21734fd3830f36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1AD7AC3D-0008-41FC-AAB9-BF2712588E74@breun.nl> Jim Christiansen wrote: > OK, I have one non-ltsp ubuntu server running firefox 3.0.3 and a > student can set text in both the subject line and message body text... > > My ltsp servers are running k12ltsp centos5. One with firefox 3.0.2 > and 3.0.1... these browsers can not send hotmail emails. Is there a > way I can yum update the three k12ltsp server to firefox 3.0.3? > > > I suppose I could setup a firefox running outside of opt... You should file a bug report against the CentOS package if 3.0.3 works and 3.0.2 from CentOS doesn't. Nils Breunese. From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 19:36:04 2008 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:36:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Metadata file does not match checksum Message-ID: <8b88203f0811051136v3606cb71t4ed4e5b2ee998afd@mail.gmail.com> I'm getting an error trying to update one of my servers... Importing additional filelist information filelists.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 8.5 MB 00:42 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/repodata/filelists.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum Trying other mirror. Error: failure: repodata/filelists.xml.gz from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. Any ideas??? 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What I've got working at the mo is a WinTV card (bt878 based chipset) with a CCTV camera with a nice lens on. I'm using I'm running Ubuntu 8.10 with XAWTV + STREAMER, I've then got a cron job setup that takes a snapshot and scp's it to one of our other servers. The bosses can then via with and do with it what they like :-) Only little issue I had was that xawtv will has to run to initialise that card so what I've done is got the box to autologin and run XAWTV this allows the cron job to run OK. The screensaver is set to 30 seconds so this stop anyone fiddling & it's also locked away in a store cupboard so hopefully it'll be OK for this year. The best part is that we've got to do the survey I think it's 8 times a month for the next FIVE years !!!! That's going to be a lot of jpeg's they have to look through. It's a bit of a dirty hack but it gives me some breathing space to look at webcams that'll do the job better & easier :-) Thanks for all the pointers to the webcams, I've stored these away to look at and hopefully buy a few to play with when they "bean counters" aren't looking Brian Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Youre really screwed with this. OK there you go, either ou get a > quality webcam (glass zoom lens, ...) or a capture card and a cctv > camera. I still think that the webcam would be the easy way. > > > > >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-05 05:26:17 >>> > Sorry, I was a little "embarrassed" to say what I actually need it to > do :-) > > The lawyers have looked into this & it's them that have told us we'd > have to do it :-/ > > Brian > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > See? If you had been just a tad more explicit as to what you were > looking to be looking at, we would have saved a lot of time, here. . . > > > > Is there any indoor location with a clear view of that field? Some > regular webcams come with software that will sit there and record, but > only capture any data when there is actual activity. Kinda like a > motion-activated video recorder. Had a good sized hard drive in an > olod laptop connected to a decent quality webcam with the > motion-activated recorder and there ya go. You should be able to see > geese in even an inexpensive webcam unless the field is a quarter mile > away or something. . . > > > > DS > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > De Queen Public Schools > > De Queen, AR > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > > > >>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 12:39 PM >>> > > OK I'll give you all little more background and it might explain my > need > > for quality :-) > > > > You assumed that we're looking at people :-) we need to count GEESE yes > > that's right we need to know how many geese roughly are using our field > > before we are allowed to build a new college. These are Brent geese > > that come over from Canada to feed etc & the local nature people have > > said we need to have numbers before we can go ahead, they've said that > > snapshots would be OK. > > > > It's ridiculous that geese are stopping us build a new College but it's > > taken almost 3 years to get to this point !!!! > > > > Brian > > > > Doug Simpson wrote: > >> You aren't needing to read the labels on their clothes. . . you > just need to see if there is someone *there*. . . > >> > >> "Quality" isn't as much of a factor as "the presence of" if you are > using this for the described purpose. > >> > >> DS > >> > >> Doug Simpson > >> Technology Specialist > >> De Queen Public Schools > >> De Queen, AR > >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > >> > >> > >> > >>>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 7:54 AM >>> > >>>>> > >> Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of lens that we'd need. > >> > >> I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at > the mo to see if that'll do it. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > >> > >>> My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible webcam. It > >>> will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here > that can > >>> suggest easy to get compatible webcams. > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 > 06:47:24 >>> > >>> I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing > >>> field to capture an image every > >>> 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. > >>> > >>> I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd > like to > >>> use and a video input card > >>> (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) > >>> but I'm not sure what software > >>> to use to do this. > >>> > >>> Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X > >>> minutes > >>> > >>> Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Brian Chivers > >>> Portsmouth College > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > >>> > >>> the views of Portsmouth College > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > >> > >> the views of Portsmouth College > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > > > the views of Portsmouth College > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From nils at breun.nl Wed Nov 5 21:35:27 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:35:27 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Metadata file does not match checksum In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0811051136v3606cb71t4ed4e5b2ee998afd@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0811051136v3606cb71t4ed4e5b2ee998afd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67BA2BBC-4474-43FA-805B-7DF13C63522E@breun.nl> Jim Christiansen wrote: > I'm getting an error trying to update one of my servers... > > Importing additional filelist information > filelists.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 8.5 MB > 00:42 > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/repodata/filelists.xml.gz > : [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: repodata/filelists.xml.gz from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] > No more mirrors to try. > > > Any ideas??? Try again later. You may have caught the repo in the middle of a metadata update. Nils Breunese. From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 03:03:42 2008 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:03:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Metadata file does not match checksum Message-ID: <8b88203f0811051903t61ad1931x79ae17873d18ed9a@mail.gmail.com> Got it... Mixed up repos... Thank you for taking the time looking at it. Take Care, Jim ========================== I'm getting an error trying to update one of my servers... Importing additional filelist information filelists.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 8.5 MB 00:42 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/repodata/filelists.xml.gz : [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum Trying other mirror. Error: failure: repodata/filelists.xml.gz from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. Any ideas??? Try again later. You may have caught the repo in the middle of a metadata update. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Thu Nov 6 12:22:33 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:22:33 -0500 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UsOpcC4gOiBbSzEyT1NOXSBDYXB0dXJpbmcgc25hcHNob3RzIGY=?= =?UTF-8?B?cm9tIGNhbWVyYQ==?= In-Reply-To: <491205AD.4000301@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491053FB.10107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491096F1.1050605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4910513A.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <4910513A.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491174C9.2040806@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081105T114123Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491205AD.4000301@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4912E189.8080907@biochemfluidics.com> I've got an idea. Why don't you fence the field in and put some dogs in there. Then the geese will be easy to count -- because there won't be any! -Rob Brian Chivers wrote: > :-) I agree but the bosses want so I have to so that I've tried. > > What I've got working at the mo is a WinTV card (bt878 based chipset) > with a CCTV camera with a nice lens on. > > I'm using I'm running Ubuntu 8.10 with XAWTV + STREAMER, I've then got a > cron job setup that takes a snapshot and scp's it to one of our other > servers. The bosses can then via with and do with it what they like :-) > > Only little issue I had was that xawtv will has to run to initialise > that card so what I've done is got the box to autologin and run XAWTV > this allows the cron job to run OK. The screensaver is set to 30 seconds > so this stop anyone fiddling & it's also locked away in a store cupboard > so hopefully it'll be OK for this year. > > The best part is that we've got to do the survey I think it's 8 times a > month for the next FIVE years !!!! That's going to be a lot of jpeg's > they have to look through. > > It's a bit of a dirty hack but it gives me some breathing space to look > at webcams that'll do the job better & easier :-) > > Thanks for all the pointers to the webcams, I've stored these away to > look at and hopefully buy a few to play with when they "bean counters" > aren't looking > Brian > > Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: >> Youre really screwed with this. OK there you go, either ou get a >> quality webcam (glass zoom lens, ...) or a capture card and a cctv >> camera. I still think that the webcam would be the easy way. >> >> >> >> >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-05 05:26:17 >> >>> >> Sorry, I was a little "embarrassed" to say what I actually need it to >> do :-) >> >> The lawyers have looked into this & it's them that have told us we'd >> have to do it :-/ >> >> Brian >> >> Doug Simpson wrote: >> > See? If you had been just a tad more explicit as to what you were >> looking to be looking at, we would have saved a lot of time, here. . . >> > >> > Is there any indoor location with a clear view of that field? Some >> regular webcams come with software that will sit there and record, but >> only capture any data when there is actual activity. Kinda like a >> motion-activated video recorder. Had a good sized hard drive in an >> olod laptop connected to a decent quality webcam with the >> motion-activated recorder and there ya go. You should be able to see >> geese in even an inexpensive webcam unless the field is a quarter mile >> away or something. . . >> > >> > DS >> > >> > Doug Simpson >> > Technology Specialist >> > De Queen Public Schools >> > De Queen, AR >> > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >> > >> > >> >>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 12:39 PM >> >>> >> > OK I'll give you all little more background and it might explain my >> need >> > for quality :-) >> > >> > You assumed that we're looking at people :-) we need to count GEESE yes >> > that's right we need to know how many geese roughly are using our field >> > before we are allowed to build a new college. These are Brent geese >> > that come over from Canada to feed etc & the local nature people have >> > said we need to have numbers before we can go ahead, they've said that >> > snapshots would be OK. >> > >> > It's ridiculous that geese are stopping us build a new College but it's >> > taken almost 3 years to get to this point !!!! >> > >> > Brian >> > >> > Doug Simpson wrote: >> >> You aren't needing to read the labels on their clothes. . . you >> just need to see if there is someone *there*. . . >> >> >> >> "Quality" isn't as much of a factor as "the presence of" if you are >> using this for the described purpose. >> >> >> >> DS >> >> >> >> Doug Simpson >> >> Technology Specialist >> >> De Queen Public Schools >> >> De Queen, AR >> >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> >> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 >> 7:54 AM >>> >> >>>>> >> Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of >> lens that we'd need. >> >> >> >> I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at >> the mo to see if that'll do it. >> >> >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: >> >> >>> My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible >> webcam. It >> >>> will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here >> that can >> >>> suggest easy to get compatible webcams. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 >> 06:47:24 >>> >> >>> I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing >> >>> field to capture an image every >> >>> 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. >> >>> >> >>> I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd >> like to >> >>> use and a video input card >> >>> (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) >> >>> but I'm not sure what software >> >>> to use to do this. >> >>> >> >>> Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X >> >>> minutes >> >>> >> >>> Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks >> >>> Brian Chivers >> >>> Portsmouth College >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >>> >> >>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> K12OSN mailing list >> >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >>> For more info see >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> K12OSN mailing list >> >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >>> For more info see >> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> K12OSN mailing list >> >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> K12OSN mailing list >> >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> For more info see >> >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> > > the views of Portsmouth College > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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What is the best solution for a teacher's computer ? Here is the thought process.... I was going to take a decent business level desktop machine and setup a dual boot (Win XP and [another ?] Fedora 9 or CentOs 5). But now I'm thinking.... well - why not just a regular XP machine - then she can choose at boot-up to run XP or run PXE to become a thin client machine too. ... but .... she also wants two monitors are her desk - she would like one screen to run the snap-shots / fl_TeacherTool all the time - then have the second display to run the rest of her linux desktop. So the more I think about this.... How would you arrange this environment? 30 lab machines.... obvious thin clients... but what about the teachers machine? - another thin client or a stand alone linux machine that logs into the network... ????? thanks, john- -- This message was scanned by KCSOS and is believed to be clean. From whatch at anwsu.org Thu Nov 6 18:31:08 2008 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:31:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] fltk teacher tool blues Message-ID: <4912F19D020000D40000D44D@fs2.anwsu.org> I have used teacher tool before, on earlier versions of k12ltsp. I didn't have to configure anything, and it just worked. The version on my current k12ltsp box is not working. I am using the latest k12ltsp based on centos 5. When I open the teacher tool utility it does not show any users on the network. I followed instructions to Enable the control/monitor feature from this webpage: http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Setting_up_Fl_TeacherTool_on_K12LTSP_5_or_newer It worked yesterday, because I could see myself logged in, when viewing the teacher tool from the server. But today, I had 20 users on and none showed up. I downloaded some kernel updates yesterday and rebooted. Not sure whats up. Any ideas? Thanks! 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From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Nov 6 19:15:41 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:15:41 +0000 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UsOpcC4gOiBbSzEyT1NOXSBDYXB0dXJpbmcgc25hcHNob3RzIGY=?= =?UTF-8?B?cm9tIGNhbWVyYQ==?= In-Reply-To: <4912E189.8080907@biochemfluidics.com> References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491053FB.10107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491096F1.1050605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4910513A.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <4910513A.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491174C9.2040806@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081105T114123Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491205AD.4000301@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4912E189.8080907@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <4913425D.6000501@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Nice idea, I was going for Radio Controlled car with pointy sticks !!! Rob Owens wrote: > I've got an idea. Why don't you fence the field in and put some dogs in > there. Then the geese will be easy to count -- because there won't be any! > > -Rob > > Brian Chivers wrote: > >> :-) I agree but the bosses want so I have to so that I've tried. >> >> What I've got working at the mo is a WinTV card (bt878 based chipset) >> with a CCTV camera with a nice lens on. >> >> I'm using I'm running Ubuntu 8.10 with XAWTV + STREAMER, I've then got a >> cron job setup that takes a snapshot and scp's it to one of our other >> servers. The bosses can then via with and do with it what they like :-) >> >> Only little issue I had was that xawtv will has to run to initialise >> that card so what I've done is got the box to autologin and run XAWTV >> this allows the cron job to run OK. The screensaver is set to 30 seconds >> so this stop anyone fiddling & it's also locked away in a store cupboard >> so hopefully it'll be OK for this year. >> >> The best part is that we've got to do the survey I think it's 8 times a >> month for the next FIVE years !!!! That's going to be a lot of jpeg's >> they have to look through. >> >> It's a bit of a dirty hack but it gives me some breathing space to look >> at webcams that'll do the job better & easier :-) >> >> Thanks for all the pointers to the webcams, I've stored these away to >> look at and hopefully buy a few to play with when they "bean counters" >> aren't looking >> Brian >> >> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: >> >>> Youre really screwed with this. OK there you go, either ou get a >>> quality webcam (glass zoom lens, ...) or a capture card and a cctv >>> camera. I still think that the webcam would be the easy way. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-05 05:26:17 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> Sorry, I was a little "embarrassed" to say what I actually need it to >>> do :-) >>> >>> The lawyers have looked into this & it's them that have told us we'd >>> have to do it :-/ >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> Doug Simpson wrote: >>> >>>> See? If you had been just a tad more explicit as to what you were >>>> >>> looking to be looking at, we would have saved a lot of time, here. . . >>> >>>> Is there any indoor location with a clear view of that field? Some >>>> >>> regular webcams come with software that will sit there and record, but >>> only capture any data when there is actual activity. Kinda like a >>> motion-activated video recorder. Had a good sized hard drive in an >>> olod laptop connected to a decent quality webcam with the >>> motion-activated recorder and there ya go. You should be able to see >>> geese in even an inexpensive webcam unless the field is a quarter mile >>> away or something. . . >>> >>>> DS >>>> >>>> Doug Simpson >>>> Technology Specialist >>>> De Queen Public Schools >>>> De Queen, AR >>>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>>> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 12:39 PM >>>>>>> >>>> OK I'll give you all little more background and it might explain my >>>> >>> need >>> >>>> for quality :-) >>>> >>>> You assumed that we're looking at people :-) we need to count GEESE yes >>>> that's right we need to know how many geese roughly are using our field >>>> before we are allowed to build a new college. These are Brent geese >>>> that come over from Canada to feed etc & the local nature people have >>>> said we need to have numbers before we can go ahead, they've said that >>>> snapshots would be OK. >>>> >>>> It's ridiculous that geese are stopping us build a new College but it's >>>> taken almost 3 years to get to this point !!!! >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> Doug Simpson wrote: >>>> >>>>> You aren't needing to read the labels on their clothes. . . you >>>>> >>> just need to see if there is someone *there*. . . >>> >>>>> "Quality" isn't as much of a factor as "the presence of" if you are >>>>> >>> using this for the described purpose. >>> >>>>> DS >>>>> >>>>> Doug Simpson >>>>> Technology Specialist >>>>> De Queen Public Schools >>>>> De Queen, AR >>>>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>>>> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 >>>>> >>> 7:54 AM >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >> Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of >>>>>>>> >>> lens that we'd need. >>> >>>>> I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at >>>>> >>> the mo to see if that'll do it. >>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: >>>>> >>> My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible >>>>> >>> webcam. It >>> >>>>>> will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here >>>>>> >>> that can >>> >>>>>> suggest easy to get compatible webcams. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 >>>>>> >>> 06:47:24 >>> >>> >>>>>> I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing >>>>>> field to capture an image every >>>>>> 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd >>>>>> >>> like to >>> >>>>>> use and a video input card >>>>>> (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) >>>>>> but I'm not sure what software >>>>>> to use to do this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X >>>>>> minutes >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Brian Chivers >>>>>> Portsmouth College >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>>>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>>>> >>>>>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>>> >>>>>>> the views of Portsmouth College >> >>>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>> >>>>> the views of Portsmouth College > >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>> >>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > ******************************************************** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy > version. > > ******************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Nov 6 19:40:02 2008 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:40:02 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Computer In-Reply-To: <4912AF14.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> Message-ID: <20081106194003.2D7NV.10479.root@hrndva-web13-z01> Having been part of creating such a lab in Richardson Middle School. 1. Thin Client is good enough for most teachers in an open lab situation. 2. A dual boot machine might be an option for a teacher station as this would allow the teacher to use either by choosing the operating system at boot up. It is possible to set things up so that at boot time the computer first seeks to PXE boot and requires the escape key to by pass to the OS chooser screen. If you are going to install a Linux in it use the same one that is in the server but in the standalone version. 3. Dual monitors is both a hardware and a software issue, the video card needs two monitor outputs or the computer needs a second video card. I'm not sure what the software settings in Linux are, I'm guessing that you are using K12LTSP V6 at least or Ubuntu with the educational server package added. 4. What ever you do make sure that the teacher machine has a minimum of two or better GIG of RAM and that the video has a high value of RAM on board. 5. I actually built my own ten station Linux thin client network for the classroom I had and did run fl_teacher_tool all of the time. It is needed to keep the kids from abusing things like semi-porn sites and such. The ability to see what the students are doing and provide assistance from my machine was too helpful not to use. I actually used my server to do everything. I hope this helps John P. Conlon ---- John Montoya wrote: > Hello everyone, > > New Lab Install - II > > Yesterday I went out to the school site and installed k12 / 5-EL. Went relatively well. Removed OpenOffice 2.4 and installed OpenOffice 3.0, working now on > updating fl TeacherTool to 0.60 - THEN.... going to take my shot at getting the students to authenticate through the schools Active Directory servers !!!!!! joy - > > The next couple of days should be interesting - I'll keep everyone posted with authentication part of this. > > Now to my question.... > What is the best solution for a teacher's computer ? > > Here is the thought process.... I was going to take a decent business level desktop machine and setup a dual boot (Win XP and [another ?] Fedora 9 or CentOs 5). > But now I'm thinking.... well - why not just a regular XP machine - then she can choose at boot-up to run XP or run PXE to become a thin client machine too. > ... but .... she also wants two monitors are her desk - she would like one screen to run the snap-shots / fl_TeacherTool all the time - then have the second display to run the rest of > her linux desktop. > > So the more I think about this.... > > > How would you arrange this environment? > 30 lab machines.... obvious thin clients... but what about the teachers machine? - another thin client or a stand alone linux machine that logs into the network... ????? > > > > thanks, > > > john- > > > -- > This message was scanned by KCSOS and is believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 22:25:32 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:25:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] fltk teacher tool blues In-Reply-To: <4912F19D020000D40000D44D@fs2.anwsu.org> References: <4912F19D020000D40000D44D@fs2.anwsu.org> Message-ID: On 11/6/08, Will Hatch wrote: > I have used teacher tool before, on earlier versions of k12ltsp. I didn't > have to configure anything, and it just worked. The version on my current > k12ltsp box is not working. I am using the latest k12ltsp based on centos > 5. When I open the teacher tool utility it does not show any users on the > network. I followed instructions to Enable the control/monitor feature from > this webpage: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Setting_up_Fl_TeacherTool_on_K12LTSP_5_or_newer > > It worked yesterday, because I could see myself logged in, when viewing the > teacher tool from the server. But today, I had 20 users on and none showed > up. I downloaded some kernel updates yesterday and rebooted. Not sure > whats up. Any ideas? Thanks! do you get any error messages when run from the command line? also try copy pasting the following line into a terminal and see what you get netstat -t -e|grep x11|sed -e 's/:/ /g'|awk '{print $9,$6}'|grep -vw root|grep -vw gdm|grep -vw kdm|grep -vw xdm|sort|uniq -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From mel at melwade.com Fri Nov 7 01:37:05 2008 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:37:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hotmail DOA- Hotmail won't allow users to enter text in body of email In-Reply-To: <1AD7AC3D-0008-41FC-AAB9-BF2712588E74@breun.nl> References: <8b88203f0811050817q4abfd843uca21734fd3830f36@mail.gmail.com> <1AD7AC3D-0008-41FC-AAB9-BF2712588E74@breun.nl> Message-ID: <43080f460811061737r7a99454v5c63d4e35879b76b@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone solved this? I'm hitting the same problem. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Nils Breunese wrote: > Jim Christiansen wrote: > > OK, I have one non-ltsp ubuntu server running firefox 3.0.3 and a student >> can set text in both the subject line and message body text... >> >> My ltsp servers are running k12ltsp centos5. One with firefox 3.0.2 and >> 3.0.1... these browsers can not send hotmail emails. Is there a way I >> can yum update the three k12ltsp server to firefox 3.0.3? >> >> >> I suppose I could setup a firefox running outside of opt... >> > > You should file a bug report against the CentOS package if 3.0.3 works and > 3.0.2 from CentOS doesn't. > > Nils Breunese. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Fri Nov 7 13:01:23 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:01:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Computer In-Reply-To: <4912AF14.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> References: <48FD9613.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> <48FE1652.2000705@biochemfluidics.com> <4912AF14.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> Message-ID: <1226062883.3218.8.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Thin client all the way, baby!!! Teacher gets a thin client with a larger screen. Use rdesktop to a windows app server for any legacy junk. If the choice MUST be a windows desktop then use FreeNX on the thin client server and teacher can use nxclient to access Linux environment. -OR- XP desktop with vmware-player running a PXE boot-only virtual machine that boots from the thin client server like the students. On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 08:47 -0800, John Montoya wrote: > Hello everyone, > > New Lab Install - II > > Yesterday I went out to the school site and installed k12 / 5-EL. Went relatively well. Removed OpenOffice 2.4 and installed OpenOffice 3.0, working now on > updating fl TeacherTool to 0.60 - THEN.... going to take my shot at getting the students to authenticate through the schools Active Directory servers !!!!!! joy - > > The next couple of days should be interesting - I'll keep everyone posted with authentication part of this. > > Now to my question.... > What is the best solution for a teacher's computer ? > > Here is the thought process.... I was going to take a decent business level desktop machine and setup a dual boot (Win XP and [another ?] Fedora 9 or CentOs 5). > But now I'm thinking.... well - why not just a regular XP machine - then she can choose at boot-up to run XP or run PXE to become a thin client machine too. > ... but .... she also wants two monitors are her desk - she would like one screen to run the snap-shots / fl_TeacherTool all the time - then have the second display to run the rest of > her linux desktop. > > So the more I think about this.... > > > How would you arrange this environment? > 30 lab machines.... obvious thin clients... but what about the teachers machine? - another thin client or a stand alone linux machine that logs into the network... ????? > > > > thanks, > > > john- > > > -- > This message was scanned by KCSOS and is believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Fri Nov 7 13:06:57 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:06:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Computer In-Reply-To: <1226062883.3218.8.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <48FD9613.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> <48FE1652.2000705@biochemfluidics.com> <4912AF14.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> <1226062883.3218.8.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <49143D71.2080107@biochemfluidics.com> James P. Kinney III wrote: > Thin client all the way, baby!!! > Teacher gets a thin client with a larger screen. Use rdesktop to a > windows app server for any legacy junk. > Agreed. If the teacher really needs Windows running all the time, you could try a dual monitor setup on your thin client. disklessworkstations.com now has a dual monitor thin client available. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Nov 7 13:37:32 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:37:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Computer In-Reply-To: <1226062883.3218.8.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <48FD9613.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> <48FE1652.2000705@biochemfluidics.com> <4912AF14.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> <1226062883.3218.8.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4913F03C.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> -OR- XP desktop with vmware-player running a PXE boot-only virtual machine that boots from the thin client server like the students. Can you provide more info on how to set this up? Much appreciated! DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Nov 7 14:05:23 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:05:23 -0600 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20R=C3=A9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Capturing=20snapshots?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20from=20camera?= In-Reply-To: <4913425D.6000501@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491053FB.10107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491096F1.1050605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4910513A.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <4910513A.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491174C9.2040806@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081105T114123Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491205AD.4000301@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4912E189.8080907@biochemfluidics.com><4912E189.8080907@biochemfluidics.com> <4913425D.6000501@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4913F6C2.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> But with the dogs, there won't be any "evidence". The cars will leave the things laying around. . .They'll be GONe with the dog method! DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> Brian Chivers 11/6/2008 1:15 PM >>> Nice idea, I was going for Radio Controlled car with pointy sticks !!! Rob Owens wrote: > I've got an idea. Why don't you fence the field in and put some dogs in > there. Then the geese will be easy to count -- because there won't be any! > > -Rob > > Brian Chivers wrote: > >> :-) I agree but the bosses want so I have to so that I've tried. >> >> What I've got working at the mo is a WinTV card (bt878 based chipset) >> with a CCTV camera with a nice lens on. >> >> I'm using I'm running Ubuntu 8.10 with XAWTV + STREAMER, I've then got a >> cron job setup that takes a snapshot and scp's it to one of our other >> servers. The bosses can then via with and do with it what they like :-) >> >> Only little issue I had was that xawtv will has to run to initialise >> that card so what I've done is got the box to autologin and run XAWTV >> this allows the cron job to run OK. The screensaver is set to 30 seconds >> so this stop anyone fiddling & it's also locked away in a store cupboard >> so hopefully it'll be OK for this year. >> >> The best part is that we've got to do the survey I think it's 8 times a >> month for the next FIVE years !!!! That's going to be a lot of jpeg's >> they have to look through. >> >> It's a bit of a dirty hack but it gives me some breathing space to look >> at webcams that'll do the job better & easier :-) >> >> Thanks for all the pointers to the webcams, I've stored these away to >> look at and hopefully buy a few to play with when they "bean counters" >> aren't looking >> Brian >> >> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: >> >>> Youre really screwed with this. OK there you go, either ou get a >>> quality webcam (glass zoom lens, ...) or a capture card and a cctv >>> camera. I still think that the webcam would be the easy way. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-05 05:26:17 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> Sorry, I was a little "embarrassed" to say what I actually need it to >>> do :-) >>> >>> The lawyers have looked into this & it's them that have told us we'd >>> have to do it :-/ >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> Doug Simpson wrote: >>> >>>> See? If you had been just a tad more explicit as to what you were >>>> >>> looking to be looking at, we would have saved a lot of time, here. . . >>> >>>> Is there any indoor location with a clear view of that field? Some >>>> >>> regular webcams come with software that will sit there and record, but >>> only capture any data when there is actual activity. Kinda like a >>> motion-activated video recorder. Had a good sized hard drive in an >>> olod laptop connected to a decent quality webcam with the >>> motion-activated recorder and there ya go. You should be able to see >>> geese in even an inexpensive webcam unless the field is a quarter mile >>> away or something. . . >>> >>>> DS >>>> >>>> Doug Simpson >>>> Technology Specialist >>>> De Queen Public Schools >>>> De Queen, AR >>>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>>> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 12:39 PM >>>>>>> >>>> OK I'll give you all little more background and it might explain my >>>> >>> need >>> >>>> for quality :-) >>>> >>>> You assumed that we're looking at people :-) we need to count GEESE yes >>>> that's right we need to know how many geese roughly are using our field >>>> before we are allowed to build a new college. These are Brent geese >>>> that come over from Canada to feed etc & the local nature people have >>>> said we need to have numbers before we can go ahead, they've said that >>>> snapshots would be OK. >>>> >>>> It's ridiculous that geese are stopping us build a new College but it's >>>> taken almost 3 years to get to this point !!!! >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> Doug Simpson wrote: >>>> >>>>> You aren't needing to read the labels on their clothes. . . you >>>>> >>> just need to see if there is someone *there*. . . >>> >>>>> "Quality" isn't as much of a factor as "the presence of" if you are >>>>> >>> using this for the described purpose. >>> >>>>> DS >>>>> >>>>> Doug Simpson >>>>> Technology Specialist >>>>> De Queen Public Schools >>>>> De Queen, AR >>>>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>>>> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 >>>>> >>> 7:54 AM >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >> Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of >>>>>>>> >>> lens that we'd need. >>> >>>>> I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at >>>>> >>> the mo to see if that'll do it. >>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: >>>>> >>> My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible >>>>> >>> webcam. It >>> >>>>>> will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here >>>>>> >>> that can >>> >>>>>> suggest easy to get compatible webcams. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 >>>>>> >>> 06:47:24 >>> >>> >>>>>> I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing >>>>>> field to capture an image every >>>>>> 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd >>>>>> >>> like to >>> >>>>>> use and a video input card >>>>>> (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) >>>>>> but I'm not sure what software >>>>>> to use to do this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X >>>>>> minutes >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Brian Chivers >>>>>> Portsmouth College >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>>>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>>>> >>>>>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>>> >>>>>>> the views of Portsmouth College >> >>>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>> >>>>> the views of Portsmouth College > >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>> >>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > ******************************************************** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, > copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in > error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. > E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as > information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or > incomplete, or contain viruses. > The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions > in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail > transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy > version. > > ******************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ben at inspiredtechs.com Fri Nov 7 14:10:39 2008 From: ben at inspiredtechs.com (Ben Dailey) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:10:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Computer In-Reply-To: <4913F03C.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <48FD9613.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> <48FE1652.2000705@biochemfluidics.com> <4912AF14.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> <1226062883.3218.8.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <4913F03C.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <57f84b3e0811070610m6c3fd3a8kdbf0ea4a8bba1b2e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Doug Simpson wrote: > > -OR- > > XP desktop with vmware-player running a PXE boot-only virtual machine > that boots from the thin client server like the students. > > Can you provide more info on how to set this up? > > Much appreciated! > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" Doug, Alternatively you could use qemu with kqemu. General qemu info including kqemu: http://bellard.org/qemu/ Win32 Qemu: http://www1.interq.or.jp/~t-takeda/qemu/ Network Bridge on Win32 for Qemu: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Using_QEMU_on_Windows_XP#Networking_Issues_in_QEmu PXE Booting Qemu Howto: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:qemu#pxe_booting_your_qemu_virtual_machine HTH, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Nov 7 14:12:54 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:12:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and specific IPs Message-ID: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Is there a way to make DHCP hand out IP addresses, but only to computers that we have the MAC addresses for? In other words, DHCP will hand out IP addresses, but only to a certain specified list of MAC addresses. I am wanting to stop people from bringing unauthorized equipment from home and connecting it to our network and if it don't get an IP address, it won't work. I already have the list of valid MAC addresses in the lease files for DHCP and I can weed out the ones that aren't ours. The DHCP I am running is running on a linux server if that makes a difference. Thanks Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" From nils at breun.nl Fri Nov 7 14:27:47 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:27:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and specific IPs In-Reply-To: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <2BF6A8E8-A36F-4F1C-90EA-C47F9E653284@breun.nl> Doug Simpson wrote: > Is there a way to make DHCP hand out IP addresses, but only to > computers that we have the MAC addresses for? In other words, DHCP > will hand out IP addresses, but only to a certain specified list of > MAC addresses. > > I am wanting to stop people from bringing unauthorized equipment > from home and connecting it to our network and if it don't get an IP > address, it won't work. Don't forget that people can assign an IP address to their 'unautorized equipment from home' without DHCP. Nils Breunese. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 14:29:26 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:29:26 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with shutting machines down with ltspinfo Message-ID: <491450C6.9060007@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I've been running a script that run ltspinfo to shutdown classrooms at night but have run into a problem. When it shuts them down it really does and the only way to turn them back on is to unplug the power lead & network lead before the power button will work again :-( Any idea's what to try ?? Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 14:31:21 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:31:21 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_Capturing_s?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?napshots_from_camera?= In-Reply-To: <4913F6C2.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <4910364C.8030602@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081104T080501Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491053FB.10107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <49100C10.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491096F1.1050605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4910513A.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <4910513A.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491174C9.2040806@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20081105T114123Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <491205AD.4000301@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4912E189.8080907@biochemfluidics.com><4912E189.8080907@biochemfluidics.com> <4913425D.6000501@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4913F6C2.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <49145139.3010803@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I like your thinking :-) Brian Doug Simpson wrote: > But with the dogs, there won't be any "evidence". The cars will leave the things laying around. . .They'll be GONe with the dog method! > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > >>>> Brian Chivers 11/6/2008 1:15 PM >>> > Nice idea, I was going for Radio Controlled car with pointy sticks !!! > > Rob Owens wrote: >> I've got an idea. Why don't you fence the field in and put some dogs in >> there. Then the geese will be easy to count -- because there won't be any! >> >> -Rob >> >> Brian Chivers wrote: >> >>> :-) I agree but the bosses want so I have to so that I've tried. >>> >>> What I've got working at the mo is a WinTV card (bt878 based chipset) >>> with a CCTV camera with a nice lens on. >>> >>> I'm using I'm running Ubuntu 8.10 with XAWTV + STREAMER, I've then got a >>> cron job setup that takes a snapshot and scp's it to one of our other >>> servers. The bosses can then via with and do with it what they like :-) >>> >>> Only little issue I had was that xawtv will has to run to initialise >>> that card so what I've done is got the box to autologin and run XAWTV >>> this allows the cron job to run OK. The screensaver is set to 30 seconds >>> so this stop anyone fiddling & it's also locked away in a store cupboard >>> so hopefully it'll be OK for this year. >>> >>> The best part is that we've got to do the survey I think it's 8 times a >>> month for the next FIVE years !!!! That's going to be a lot of jpeg's >>> they have to look through. >>> >>> It's a bit of a dirty hack but it gives me some breathing space to look >>> at webcams that'll do the job better & easier :-) >>> >>> Thanks for all the pointers to the webcams, I've stored these away to >>> look at and hopefully buy a few to play with when they "bean counters" >>> aren't looking >>> Brian >>> >>> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: >>> >>>> Youre really screwed with this. OK there you go, either ou get a >>>> quality webcam (glass zoom lens, ...) or a capture card and a cctv >>>> camera. I still think that the webcam would be the easy way. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-05 05:26:17 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Sorry, I was a little "embarrassed" to say what I actually need it to >>>> do :-) >>>> >>>> The lawyers have looked into this & it's them that have told us we'd >>>> have to do it :-/ >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> Doug Simpson wrote: >>>> >>>>> See? If you had been just a tad more explicit as to what you were >>>>> >>>> looking to be looking at, we would have saved a lot of time, here. . . >>>> >>>>> Is there any indoor location with a clear view of that field? Some >>>>> >>>> regular webcams come with software that will sit there and record, but >>>> only capture any data when there is actual activity. Kinda like a >>>> motion-activated video recorder. Had a good sized hard drive in an >>>> olod laptop connected to a decent quality webcam with the >>>> motion-activated recorder and there ya go. You should be able to see >>>> geese in even an inexpensive webcam unless the field is a quarter mile >>>> away or something. . . >>>> >>>>> DS >>>>> >>>>> Doug Simpson >>>>> Technology Specialist >>>>> De Queen Public Schools >>>>> De Queen, AR >>>>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>>>> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 12:39 PM >>>>>>>> >>>>> OK I'll give you all little more background and it might explain my >>>>> >>>> need >>>> >>>>> for quality :-) >>>>> >>>>> You assumed that we're looking at people :-) we need to count GEESE yes >>>>> that's right we need to know how many geese roughly are using our field >>>>> before we are allowed to build a new college. These are Brent geese >>>>> that come over from Canada to feed etc & the local nature people have >>>>> said we need to have numbers before we can go ahead, they've said that >>>>> snapshots would be OK. >>>>> >>>>> It's ridiculous that geese are stopping us build a new College but it's >>>>> taken almost 3 years to get to this point !!!! >>>>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> Doug Simpson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You aren't needing to read the labels on their clothes. . . you >>>>>> >>>> just need to see if there is someone *there*. . . >>>> >>>>>> "Quality" isn't as much of a factor as "the presence of" if you are >>>>>> >>>> using this for the described purpose. >>>> >>>>>> DS >>>>>> >>>>>> Doug Simpson >>>>>> Technology Specialist >>>>>> De Queen Public Schools >>>>>> De Queen, AR >>>>>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>>>>> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Brian Chivers 11/4/2008 >>>>>> >>>> 7:54 AM >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> Problem is that the webcams don't have the sort of >>>>>>>>> >>>> lens that we'd need. >>>> >>>>>> I'm looking at a package called "webcam" that's part of xawtv at >>>>>> >>>> the mo to see if that'll do it. >>>> >>>>>> Brian >>>>>> >>>>>> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: >>>>>> >>> My gut feeling is do'nt touch that, get a Linux compatible >>>>>> >>>> webcam. It >>>> >>>>>>> will be a lot less hassle. I'm sure there will be members here >>>>>>> >>>> that can >>>> >>>>>>> suggest easy to get compatible webcams. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> Brian Chivers 2008-11-04 >>>>>>> >>>> 06:47:24 >>> >>>> >>>>>>> I've been asked to setup a camera over looking our College's playing >>>>>>> field to capture an image every >>>>>>> 30 minutes so we can see how much it is being used. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a camera with that has a composite video output that I'd >>>>>>> >>>> like to >>>> >>>>>>> use and a video input card >>>>>>> (not sure if it linux compatible, if not I'll get one that is *grin*) >>>>>>> but I'm not sure what software >>>>>>> to use to do this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not worried about motion sensing just need a jpg or something every X >>>>>>> minutes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone do this ? Any ideas or pointer where to start. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> Brian Chivers >>>>>>> Portsmouth College >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>> For more info see >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>> For more info see >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>>>> >>>>>>>> the views of Portsmouth College >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>>> >>>>>> the views of Portsmouth College > >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>> >>>> the views of Portsmouth College >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>> >>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> ******************************************************** >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> material. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy >> version. >> >> ******************************************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Nov 7 14:33:10 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:33:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and specific IPs In-Reply-To: <2BF6A8E8-A36F-4F1C-90EA-C47F9E653284@breun.nl> References: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <2BF6A8E8-A36F-4F1C-90EA-C47F9E653284@breun.nl> Message-ID: <4913FD45.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> I do realize that, but I don't want them to "just work" when they plug them in. Thanks for the reply. DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> Nils Breunese 11/7/2008 8:27 AM >>> Doug Simpson wrote: > Is there a way to make DHCP hand out IP addresses, but only to > computers that we have the MAC addresses for? In other words, DHCP > will hand out IP addresses, but only to a certain specified list of > MAC addresses. > > I am wanting to stop people from bringing unauthorized equipment > from home and connecting it to our network and if it don't get an IP > address, it won't work. Don't forget that people can assign an IP address to their 'unautorized equipment from home' without DHCP. Nils Breunese. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Nov 7 14:34:11 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:34:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and specific IPs In-Reply-To: <2BF6A8E8-A36F-4F1C-90EA-C47F9E653284@breun.nl> References: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <2BF6A8E8-A36F-4F1C-90EA-C47F9E653284@breun.nl> Message-ID: <4913FD82.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Also, if they assign an address that is already in use, they'll get an IP conflict error. Thanks again. . . DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> Nils Breunese 11/7/2008 8:27 AM >>> Doug Simpson wrote: > Is there a way to make DHCP hand out IP addresses, but only to > computers that we have the MAC addresses for? In other words, DHCP > will hand out IP addresses, but only to a certain specified list of > MAC addresses. > > I am wanting to stop people from bringing unauthorized equipment > from home and connecting it to our network and if it don't get an IP > address, it won't work. Don't forget that people can assign an IP address to their 'unautorized equipment from home' without DHCP. Nils Breunese. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Fri Nov 7 14:38:07 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:38:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and specific IPs In-Reply-To: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <491452CF.1060206@biochemfluidics.com> Doug Simpson wrote: > Is there a way to make DHCP hand out IP addresses, but only to computers that we have the MAC addresses for? In other words, DHCP will hand out IP addresses, but only to a certain specified list of MAC addresses. > > I am wanting to stop people from bringing unauthorized equipment from home and connecting it to our network and if it don't get an IP address, it won't work. > > I already have the list of valid MAC addresses in the lease files for DHCP and I can weed out the ones that aren't ours. > > The DHCP I am running is running on a linux server if that makes a difference. > First you have to get rid of your dynamic IP assignment by removing the "range" statement and anything associated with it. On my system, that would mean getting rid of the entire "shared-network WORKSTATIONS" section. Then you have to manually map each MAC address to an IP address with statements like this: host pickahostname { hardware ethernet 00:00:00:00:00:00; #put a real MAC address here fixed-address 192.168.1.100; #each host needs a unique address here } But Nils is right, people can still assign a static IP address if they know what network range you're using. That is probably a worse situation than you have now, because it is just asking for duplicate IP addresses to happen. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From ben at inspiredtechs.com Fri Nov 7 14:44:50 2008 From: ben at inspiredtechs.com (Ben Dailey) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:44:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and specific IPs In-Reply-To: <491452CF.1060206@biochemfluidics.com> References: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491452CF.1060206@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <57f84b3e0811070644n597564e1k285c906d8d0d4b7c@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > Doug Simpson wrote: > > Is there a way to make DHCP hand out IP addresses, but only to computers > that we have the MAC addresses for? In other words, DHCP will hand out IP > addresses, but only to a certain specified list of MAC addresses. > > > > I am wanting to stop people from bringing unauthorized equipment from > home and connecting it to our network and if it don't get an IP address, it > won't work. > > > > I already have the list of valid MAC addresses in the lease files for > DHCP and I can weed out the ones that aren't ours. > > > > The DHCP I am running is running on a linux server if that makes a > difference. > > > > First you have to get rid of your dynamic IP assignment by removing the > "range" statement and anything associated with it. On my system, that > would mean getting rid of the entire "shared-network WORKSTATIONS" section. > > Then you have to manually map each MAC address to an IP address with > statements like this: > > host pickahostname { > hardware ethernet 00:00:00:00:00:00; #put a real MAC address here > fixed-address 192.168.1.100; #each host needs a unique address here > } > > But Nils is right, people can still assign a static IP address if they > know what network range you're using. That is probably a worse > situation than you have now, because it is just asking for duplicate IP > addresses to happen. > > -Rob > ******************************************************** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, > copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission > in > error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. > E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as > information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or > incomplete, or contain viruses. > The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions > in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail > transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy > version. > > ******************************************************** Doug, Have a look at the man page for dhcpd.conf. But you should be able to create add a pool with in your ranged and then do an deny unknown_clients; unknown_clients are those machines which do not have a host declaration in dhcpd.conf. So using your leases file and some gawk magic you should be able to generate a host declaration for each machine you have. You then may want to create another range and pool with bogus addresses that go no where and set that pool to allow unkown_clients;. Here is a link to an online copy of the above mentioned man page. http://www.linuxmanpages.com/man5/dhcpd.conf.5.php HTH, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Nov 7 14:46:02 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:46:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] pulling winders environment data into a form from a PHP webpage Message-ID: <49140049.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Unique request. . . Is there a way to write an input field in a webpage that will pull environment data from winders and enter it into an input field in a php webpage? I am working on a system for bellwork (things the students must do first thing when the bell rings) and I would like the webpage they view and fill out with the daily bellwork to pull the login name of the currently logged-in windows user into a hidden field for submission to the teacher. Two reasons: A. Students couldn't cheat. B. The teacher knows who did. C. The teacher knows if they did it. Ok, there was three. . . I am using a script that takes input from the student, like name, period, grade, etc. The teacher edits a simple text file with the day's instructions in it and that is placed using include. The students have places to respond and a submit button at the end. It then emails the results to a specified email account. But with the student being able to enter the name themselves, a single student could enter the data for any number of them. If it pulled the currently logged in user's name and submitted that along with, the teacher would know if cheating was going on. Just a weird, unique request. . . Thanks! Doug P.S. The webpage is php, running on a linux server and the students are logging in on windows workstations from a Novell server. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" From whatch at anwsu.org Fri Nov 7 14:40:19 2008 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:40:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] fltk teacher tool blues Message-ID: <49140D03020000D40000D480@fs2.anwsu.org> I tried starting from the command line, and typing the code in that you suggested. No luck with either suggestion. No users are showing up as logged in. Again, I am logged in as root on the server itself, and am logged in as myself on one of my thin clients. My thin clients are DevonIT units. I am using a Dell Optiplex 745 as my K12LTSP server, with one nic. When I try "yum update fl_teachertool" at the command line it says that it can't find a update match. I'm stumped! >>> "Robert Arkiletian" 11/06/08 5:25 PM >>> On 11/6/08, Will Hatch wrote: > I have used teacher tool before, on earlier versions of k12ltsp. I didn't > have to configure anything, and it just worked. The version on my current > k12ltsp box is not working. I am using the latest k12ltsp based on centos > 5. When I open the teacher tool utility it does not show any users on the > network. I followed instructions to Enable the control/monitor feature from > this webpage: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Setting_up_Fl_TeacherTool_on_K12LTSP_5_or_newer > > It worked yesterday, because I could see myself logged in, when viewing the > teacher tool from the server. But today, I had 20 users on and none showed > up. I downloaded some kernel updates yesterday and rebooted. Not sure > whats up. Any ideas? Thanks! do you get any error messages when run from the command line? also try copy pasting the following line into a terminal and see what you get netstat -t -e|grep x11|sed -e 's/:/ /g'|awk '{print $9,$6}'|grep -vw root|grep -vw gdm|grep -vw kdm|grep -vw xdm|sort|uniq -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. 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From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Fri Nov 7 14:39:48 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:39:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and specific IPs In-Reply-To: <4913FD82.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <2BF6A8E8-A36F-4F1C-90EA-C47F9E653284@breun.nl> <4913FD82.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <49145334.4020400@biochemfluidics.com> Doug Simpson wrote: > Also, if they assign an address that is already in use, they'll get an IP conflict error. > But *both* machines with the duplicate address will have intermittent connection problems -- not just 2nd person to pick the address. -Rob > Thanks again. . . > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > >>>> Nils Breunese 11/7/2008 8:27 AM >>> > Doug Simpson wrote: > >> Is there a way to make DHCP hand out IP addresses, but only to >> computers that we have the MAC addresses for? In other words, DHCP >> will hand out IP addresses, but only to a certain specified list of >> MAC addresses. >> >> I am wanting to stop people from bringing unauthorized equipment >> from home and connecting it to our network and if it don't get an IP >> address, it won't work. > > Don't forget that people can assign an IP address to their > 'unautorized equipment from home' without DHCP. > > Nils Breunese. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From gspurgeon at redhat.com Fri Nov 7 15:23:29 2008 From: gspurgeon at redhat.com (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:23:29 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] pulling winders environment data into a form from a PHP webpage In-Reply-To: <49140049.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <49140049.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1226071409.6689.5.camel@gspurgeo.fab.redhat.com> On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 08:46 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: > Unique request. . . > > Is there a way to write an input field in a webpage that will pull environment data from winders and enter it into an input field in a php webpage? > > I am working on a system for bellwork (things the students must do first thing when the bell rings) and I would like the webpage they view and fill out with the daily bellwork to pull the login name of the currently logged-in windows user into a hidden field for submission to the teacher. > > Two reasons: > > A. Students couldn't cheat. > > B. The teacher knows who did. > > C. The teacher knows if they did it. > > Ok, there was three. . . > > I am using a script that takes input from the student, like name, period, grade, etc. > > The teacher edits a simple text file with the day's instructions in it and that is placed using include. > > The students have places to respond and a submit button at the end. > > It then emails the results to a specified email account. > > But with the student being able to enter the name themselves, a single student could enter the data for any number of them. If it pulled the currently logged in user's name and submitted that along with, the teacher would know if cheating was going on. > > Just a weird, unique request. . . > > Thanks! > > Doug > > P.S. The webpage is php, running on a linux server and the students are logging in on windows workstations from a Novell server. Why not just make the user authenticate to your www page with the NDS details, then using php/ldap you will be able to pull in all of the username details strait from Novell in a no editable field... -- Gavin Spurgeon. gspurgeon at redhat.com RedHat GLS Instructor EMEA Red Hat UK Ltd 200 Fowler Avenue IQ Farnborough, Farnborough, Hants GU14 7JP Mob: +44 7841 231160 Tel: +44 1252 362700 Fax: +44 1252 548116 Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903 Directors: Michael Cunningham (USA), Brendan Lane (Ireland), Matt Parson (USA), Charlie Peters (USA) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 15:24:58 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:24:58 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] pulling winders environment data into a form from a PHP webpage In-Reply-To: <49140049.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <49140049.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <49145DCA.4050503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Could try the $PHP_AUTH_USER variable if they've had to login to the page. If not create a php_info page that this will show you the variables. The scary one is it you use ldap authentication or similar what is stored *grin* Brian Doug Simpson wrote: > Unique request. . . > > Is there a way to write an input field in a webpage that will pull environment data from winders and enter it into an input field in a php webpage? > > I am working on a system for bellwork (things the students must do first thing when the bell rings) and I would like the webpage they view and fill out with the daily bellwork to pull the login name of the currently logged-in windows user into a hidden field for submission to the teacher. > > Two reasons: > > A. Students couldn't cheat. > > B. The teacher knows who did. > > C. The teacher knows if they did it. > > Ok, there was three. . . > > I am using a script that takes input from the student, like name, period, grade, etc. > > The teacher edits a simple text file with the day's instructions in it and that is placed using include. > > The students have places to respond and a submit button at the end. > > It then emails the results to a specified email account. > > But with the student being able to enter the name themselves, a single student could enter the data for any number of them. If it pulled the currently logged in user's name and submitted that along with, the teacher would know if cheating was going on. > > Just a weird, unique request. . . > > Thanks! > > Doug > > P.S. The webpage is php, running on a linux server and the students are logging in on windows workstations from a Novell server. > > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Nov 7 15:26:27 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:26:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] pulling winders environment data into a form from a PHP webpage In-Reply-To: <1226071409.6689.5.camel@gspurgeo.fab.redhat.com> References: <49140049.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <1226071409.6689.5.camel@gspurgeo.fab.redhat.com> Message-ID: <491409C2.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> The web server is not running on the Novell server and I don't know how to make the web page authenticate a user from the Novell server and all that jazz. . . Would it be easier to run the web page and php from a Novell server and authenticate or would it be about the same... .. > DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> Gavin Spurgeon 11/7/2008 9:23 AM >>> On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 08:46 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: > Unique request. . . > > Is there a way to write an input field in a webpage that will pull environment data from winders and enter it into an input field in a php webpage? > > I am working on a system for bellwork (things the students must do first thing when the bell rings) and I would like the webpage they view and fill out with the daily bellwork to pull the login name of the currently logged-in windows user into a hidden field for submission to the teacher. > > Two reasons: > > A. Students couldn't cheat. > > B. The teacher knows who did. > > C. The teacher knows if they did it. > > Ok, there was three. . . > > I am using a script that takes input from the student, like name, period, grade, etc. > > The teacher edits a simple text file with the day's instructions in it and that is placed using include. > > The students have places to respond and a submit button at the end. > > It then emails the results to a specified email account. > > But with the student being able to enter the name themselves, a single student could enter the data for any number of them. If it pulled the currently logged in user's name and submitted that along with, the teacher would know if cheating was going on. > > Just a weird, unique request. . . > > Thanks! > > Doug > > P.S. The webpage is php, running on a linux server and the students are logging in on windows workstations from a Novell server. Why not just make the user authenticate to your www page with the NDS details, then using php/ldap you will be able to pull in all of the username details strait from Novell in a no editable field... -- Gavin Spurgeon. gspurgeon at redhat.com RedHat GLS Instructor EMEA Red Hat UK Ltd 200 Fowler Avenue IQ Farnborough, Farnborough, Hants GU14 7JP Mob: +44 7841 231160 Tel: +44 1252 362700 Fax: +44 1252 548116 Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903 Directors: Michael Cunningham (USA), Brendan Lane (Ireland), Matt Parson (USA), Charlie Peters (USA) From peter at beetlebolt.com Fri Nov 7 15:27:29 2008 From: peter at beetlebolt.com (Peter k) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:27:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hotmail DOA- Hotmail won't allow users to enter text in body of email In-Reply-To: <43080f460811061737r7a99454v5c63d4e35879b76b@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0811050817q4abfd843uca21734fd3830f36@mail.gmail.com> <1AD7AC3D-0008-41FC-AAB9-BF2712588E74@breun.nl> <43080f460811061737r7a99454v5c63d4e35879b76b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5c0b99870811070727m3832374fh6c174bbfc58a0d3b@mail.gmail.com> I've often solved problems like these by using one of the alternative login sites, like http://login.live.com or https://login.live.com In the past I've even edited my HOSTS file to point hotmail.com to those alternatives. I know this is a temporary fix, but it may work for you until MS fixes it. -peter 2008/11/6 Mel Wade : > Has anyone solved this? I'm hitting the same problem. > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Nils Breunese wrote: >> >> Jim Christiansen wrote: >> >>> OK, I have one non-ltsp ubuntu server running firefox 3.0.3 and a student >>> can set text in both the subject line and message body text... >>> >>> My ltsp servers are running k12ltsp centos5. One with firefox 3.0.2 and >>> 3.0.1... these browsers can not send hotmail emails. Is there a way I can >>> yum update the three k12ltsp server to firefox 3.0.3? >>> >>> >>> I suppose I could setup a firefox running outside of opt... >> >> You should file a bug report against the CentOS package if 3.0.3 works and >> 3.0.2 from CentOS doesn't. >> >> Nils Breunese. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Nov 7 15:28:08 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:28:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] pulling winders environment data into a form from a PHP webpage In-Reply-To: <49145DCA.4050503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <49140049.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <49145DCA.4050503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <49140A27.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Ok, but woudl that mean that I'd have to have authentication info on the server where php was running (the linux server)? interesting, but getting deeper by the second. . . DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> Brian Chivers 11/7/2008 9:24 AM >>> Could try the $PHP_AUTH_USER variable if they've had to login to the page. If not create a php_info page that this will show you the variables. The scary one is it you use ldap authentication or similar what is stored *grin* Brian Doug Simpson wrote: > Unique request. . . > > Is there a way to write an input field in a webpage that will pull environment data from winders and enter it into an input field in a php webpage? > > I am working on a system for bellwork (things the students must do first thing when the bell rings) and I would like the webpage they view and fill out with the daily bellwork to pull the login name of the currently logged-in windows user into a hidden field for submission to the teacher. > > Two reasons: > > A. Students couldn't cheat. > > B. The teacher knows who did. > > C. The teacher knows if they did it. > > Ok, there was three. . . > > I am using a script that takes input from the student, like name, period, grade, etc. > > The teacher edits a simple text file with the day's instructions in it and that is placed using include. > > The students have places to respond and a submit button at the end. > > It then emails the results to a specified email account. > > But with the student being able to enter the name themselves, a single student could enter the data for any number of them. If it pulled the currently logged in user's name and submitted that along with, the teacher would know if cheating was going on. > > Just a weird, unique request. . . > > Thanks! > > Doug > > P.S. The webpage is php, running on a linux server and the students are logging in on windows workstations from a Novell server. > > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From gspurgeon at redhat.com Fri Nov 7 15:32:29 2008 From: gspurgeon at redhat.com (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:32:29 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] pulling winders environment data into a form from a PHP webpage In-Reply-To: <491409C2.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <49140049.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <1226071409.6689.5.camel@gspurgeo.fab.redhat.com> <491409C2.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1226071949.6689.10.camel@gspurgeo.fab.redhat.com> On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 09:26 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: > The web server is not running on the Novell server and I don't know how to make the web page authenticate a user from the Novell server and all that jazz. . . > > Would it be easier to run the web page and php from a Novell server and authenticate or would it be about the same... .. > No, not @ all, it is really quite easy to get a PHP script to connect to Novell's NDS and check user names and stuff... so you have your NDS Server with all usernames/passwords and then your Linux www server running your PHP script that asks users for a username/password that it checks against the Novell NDS... Bobs your uncle :-) I did this with a very large in-house web app that used Novell's NDS as its user back-end. I have ~3000 students and ~200 staff... -- Gavin Spurgeon. gspurgeon at redhat.com RedHat GLS Instructor EMEA Red Hat UK Ltd 200 Fowler Avenue IQ Farnborough, Farnborough, Hants GU14 7JP Mob: +44 7841 231160 Tel: +44 1252 362700 Fax: +44 1252 548116 Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903 Directors: Michael Cunningham (USA), Brendan Lane (Ireland), Matt Parson (USA), Charlie Peters (USA) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Nov 7 15:30:01 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:30:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] pulling winders environment data into a form from a PHP webpage In-Reply-To: <1226071409.6689.5.camel@gspurgeo.fab.redhat.com> References: <49140049.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <1226071409.6689.5.camel@gspurgeo.fab.redhat.com> Message-ID: <49140A98.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> >>> Gavin Spurgeon 11/7/2008 9:23 AM >>> On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 08:46 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: > Unique request. . . > > Is there a way to write an input field in a webpage that will pull environment data from winders and enter it into an input field in a php webpage? > > I am working on a system for bellwork (things the students must do first thing when the bell rings) and I would like the webpage they view and fill out with the daily bellwork to pull the login name of the currently logged-in windows user into a hidden field for submission to the teacher. > > Two reasons: > > A. Students couldn't cheat. > > B. The teacher knows who did. > > C. The teacher knows if they did it. > > Ok, there was three. . . > > I am using a script that takes input from the student, like name, period, grade, etc. > > The teacher edits a simple text file with the day's instructions in it and that is placed using include. > > The students have places to respond and a submit button at the end. > > It then emails the results to a specified email account. > > But with the student being able to enter the name themselves, a single student could enter the data for any number of them. If it pulled the currently logged in user's name and submitted that along with, the teacher would know if cheating was going on. > > Just a weird, unique request. . . > > Thanks! > > Doug > > P.S. The webpage is php, running on a linux server and the students are logging in on windows workstations from a Novell server. Why not just make the user authenticate to your www page with the NDS details, then using php/ldap you will be able to pull in all of the username details strait from Novell in a no editable field... OK, how do I set up this authentication stuff on the linux server? I know little about ldap and etc. DS Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" From CSYPERSKI at dupage88.net Fri Nov 7 16:15:03 2008 From: CSYPERSKI at dupage88.net (CHUCK SYPERSKI) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:15:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Log Out Questions In-Reply-To: <490F2ADA.3030402@scheie.homedns.org> References: <490EA36C.E4A8.0041.0@dupage88.net> <490EA44C.E4A8.0041.0@dupage88.net> <490F2ADA.3030402@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <49141529.E4A8.0041.0@dupage88.net> We are using k12 Linux on Fedora 9 (LTSP 5) and need to log off a terminal from a shell script, when command and we run at the client workstation to logout the user, or restart ldm? Thanks From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 17:02:32 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:02:32 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] pulling winders environment data into a form from a PHP webpage In-Reply-To: <49140A27.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <49140049.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <49145DCA.4050503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49140A27.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <491474A8.4020107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> A quick google and it looks like Novell Edirecotry is a LDAP server so it's quite easy to do. I use LDAP authentication against our OpenLDAP servers a lot for some of our php / linux servers so if you'd like my config's let me know and I'll mail them over. If you get it working you have access to PHP_AUTH_USER & PHP_AUTH_PW and once you have these you can do anything, the scary bit is when you look at the PHP_AUTH_PW and see that it's a plaintext password !!!!! Brian Doug Simpson wrote: > Ok, but woudl that mean that I'd have to have authentication info on the server where php was running (the linux server)? > > interesting, but getting deeper by the second. . . > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > >>>> Brian Chivers 11/7/2008 9:24 AM >>> >>>> > Could try the $PHP_AUTH_USER variable if they've had to login to the page. If not create a php_info > page that this will show you the variables. > > The scary one is it you use ldap authentication or similar what is stored *grin* > > Brian > > Doug Simpson wrote: > >> Unique request. . . >> >> Is there a way to write an input field in a webpage that will pull environment data from winders and enter it into an input field in a php webpage? >> >> I am working on a system for bellwork (things the students must do first thing when the bell rings) and I would like the webpage they view and fill out with the daily bellwork to pull the login name of the currently logged-in windows user into a hidden field for submission to the teacher. >> >> Two reasons: >> >> A. Students couldn't cheat. >> >> B. The teacher knows who did. >> >> C. The teacher knows if they did it. >> >> Ok, there was three. . . >> >> I am using a script that takes input from the student, like name, period, grade, etc. >> >> The teacher edits a simple text file with the day's instructions in it and that is placed using include. >> >> The students have places to respond and a submit button at the end. >> >> It then emails the results to a specified email account. >> >> But with the student being able to enter the name themselves, a single student could enter the data for any number of them. If it pulled the currently logged in user's name and submitted that along with, the teacher would know if cheating was going on. >> >> Just a weird, unique request. . . >> >> Thanks! >> >> Doug >> >> P.S. The webpage is php, running on a linux server and the students are logging in on windows workstations from a Novell server. >> >> >> >> Doug Simpson >> Technology Specialist >> De Queen Public Schools >> De Queen, AR >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Nov 7 17:15:48 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:15:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] pulling winders environment data into a form from a PHP webpage In-Reply-To: <491474A8.4020107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <49140049.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <49145DCA.4050503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49140A27.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us><49140A27.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491474A8.4020107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <49142363.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> I'd like to see those configs, if possible. . . plaintext pw doesn't really bother me because this webserver is not available from outside, and is generally used in a specific classroom. . . Thanks! Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> Brian Chivers 11/7/2008 11:02 AM >>> A quick google and it looks like Novell Edirecotry is a LDAP server so it's quite easy to do. I use LDAP authentication against our OpenLDAP servers a lot for some of our php / linux servers so if you'd like my config's let me know and I'll mail them over. If you get it working you have access to PHP_AUTH_USER & PHP_AUTH_PW and once you have these you can do anything, the scary bit is when you look at the PHP_AUTH_PW and see that it's a plaintext password !!!!! Brian Doug Simpson wrote: > Ok, but woudl that mean that I'd have to have authentication info on the server where php was running (the linux server)? > > interesting, but getting deeper by the second. . . > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > >>>> Brian Chivers 11/7/2008 9:24 AM >>> >>>> > Could try the $PHP_AUTH_USER variable if they've had to login to the page. If not create a php_info > page that this will show you the variables. > > The scary one is it you use ldap authentication or similar what is stored *grin* > > Brian > > Doug Simpson wrote: > >> Unique request. . . >> >> Is there a way to write an input field in a webpage that will pull environment data from winders and enter it into an input field in a php webpage? >> >> I am working on a system for bellwork (things the students must do first thing when the bell rings) and I would like the webpage they view and fill out with the daily bellwork to pull the login name of the currently logged-in windows user into a hidden field for submission to the teacher. >> >> Two reasons: >> >> A. Students couldn't cheat. >> >> B. The teacher knows who did. >> >> C. The teacher knows if they did it. >> >> Ok, there was three. . . >> >> I am using a script that takes input from the student, like name, period, grade, etc. >> >> The teacher edits a simple text file with the day's instructions in it and that is placed using include. >> >> The students have places to respond and a submit button at the end. >> >> It then emails the results to a specified email account. >> >> But with the student being able to enter the name themselves, a single student could enter the data for any number of them. If it pulled the currently logged in user's name and submitted that along with, the teacher would know if cheating was going on. >> >> Just a weird, unique request. . . >> >> Thanks! >> >> Doug >> >> P.S. The webpage is php, running on a linux server and the students are logging in on windows workstations from a Novell server. >> >> >> >> Doug Simpson >> Technology Specialist >> De Queen Public Schools >> De Queen, AR >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri Nov 7 18:19:20 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:19:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and specific IPs In-Reply-To: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <491486A8.1030204@scheie.homedns.org> Here's an almost-helpful suggestion: There are some projects out there, the names of which I can't recall at the moment, in which unrecognized client systems are redirected to a webpage in which the user is required to register. This happens via the user's web browser, so if the user doesn't open firefox, say, it appears to them they are just not connected. These kind of systems are deployed in places likes yours, and airports where they charge for internet access. There was a great writeup about one system six or eight years ago in Linux Journal, by some people from a school such as yours. Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of their project, but you might try searching LJ's archives. Peter Doug Simpson wrote: > Is there a way to make DHCP hand out IP addresses, but only to computers that we have the MAC addresses for? In other words, DHCP will hand out IP addresses, but only to a certain specified list of MAC addresses. > > I am wanting to stop people from bringing unauthorized equipment from home and connecting it to our network and if it don't get an IP address, it won't work. > > I already have the list of valid MAC addresses in the lease files for DHCP and I can weed out the ones that aren't ours. > > The DHCP I am running is running on a linux server if that makes a difference. > > Thanks > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Fri Nov 7 18:20:44 2008 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:20:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing to a LaserJet 1320 Message-ID: <20081107T102044Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> I have an LTSP system up and running, however, printing to the 1320 laser requires pressing the button on the printer for each print job. What is the cure for this? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks. Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick.hadgis at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 18:26:21 2008 From: nick.hadgis at gmail.com (Nick Hadgis) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:26:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and specific IPs In-Reply-To: <491486A8.1030204@scheie.homedns.org> References: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491486A8.1030204@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <400d33020811071026g29942914r960689b7c75d9020@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Peter Scheie wrote: > Here's an almost-helpful suggestion: There are some projects out there, the > names of which I can't recall at the moment, in which unrecognized client > systems are redirected to a webpage in which the user is required to > register. This happens via the user's web browser, so if the user doesn't > open firefox, say, it appears to them they are just not connected. These > kind of systems are deployed in places likes yours, and airports where they > charge for internet access. There was a great writeup about one system six > or eight years ago in Linux Journal, by some people from a school such as > yours. Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of their project, but you > might try searching LJ's archives. > > Peter Peter, I think the project are either PacketFence http://www.packetfence.org or OpenNAC http://www.opennac.net http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9551 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 18:44:17 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:44:17 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] pulling winders environment data into a form from a PHP webpage In-Reply-To: <49142363.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <49140049.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <49145DCA.4050503@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49140A27.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us><49140A27.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491474A8.4020107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49142363.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <49148C81.4020200@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> This is what I use below, you'll need to play around with the ou= section and make sure that you have mod_auth_ldap loaded in httpd.conf The bit at the end with the gidNumbers are the group you want to give access to, so this is for only Staff, Domain Admins & Finance, if you wanted everyone to have access swap it to AuthLDAPURL ldap://alpha.portsmouth-college.ac.uk/ou=Users,dc=portsmouth-college,dc=ac,dc=uk?uid??(objectclass=*) This means everyone but gets the PHP variables setup for you. It opens some interesting doors as I use the plantext passwords to create MD5 hashes that I then enter into a mysql datase for another project I've been working on, if you'd like this page as well just ask & I'll mail it over. Brian AuthType Basic AuthName "TPCTV - Portsmouth College Staff only" AuthBasicProvider ldap AuthzLDAPAuthoritative off AuthLDAPURL ldap://alpha.portsmouth-college.ac.uk/ou=Users,dc=portsmouth-college,dc=ac,dc=uk?uid??(|(gidNumber=553)(gidNumber=533)(gidNumber=512)) require valid-user Doug Simpson wrote: > I'd like to see those configs, if possible. . . > > plaintext pw doesn't really bother me because this webserver is not available from outside, and is generally used in a specific classroom. . . > > Thanks! > > Doug > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > >>>> Brian Chivers 11/7/2008 11:02 AM >>> >>>> > A quick google and it looks like Novell Edirecotry is a LDAP server so > it's quite easy to do. I use LDAP authentication against our OpenLDAP > servers a lot for some of our php / linux servers so if you'd like my > config's let me know and I'll mail them over. > > If you get it working you have access to PHP_AUTH_USER & PHP_AUTH_PW and > once you have these you can do anything, the scary bit is when you look > at the PHP_AUTH_PW and see that it's a plaintext password !!!!! > > Brian > > Doug Simpson wrote: > >> Ok, but woudl that mean that I'd have to have authentication info on the server where php was running (the linux server)? >> >> interesting, but getting deeper by the second. . . >> >> DS >> >> Doug Simpson >> Technology Specialist >> De Queen Public Schools >> De Queen, AR >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >> >> >> >> >>>>> Brian Chivers 11/7/2008 9:24 AM >>> >>>>> >>>>> >> Could try the $PHP_AUTH_USER variable if they've had to login to the page. If not create a php_info >> page that this will show you the variables. >> >> The scary one is it you use ldap authentication or similar what is stored *grin* >> >> Brian >> >> Doug Simpson wrote: >> >> >>> Unique request. . . >>> >>> Is there a way to write an input field in a webpage that will pull environment data from winders and enter it into an input field in a php webpage? >>> >>> I am working on a system for bellwork (things the students must do first thing when the bell rings) and I would like the webpage they view and fill out with the daily bellwork to pull the login name of the currently logged-in windows user into a hidden field for submission to the teacher. >>> >>> Two reasons: >>> >>> A. Students couldn't cheat. >>> >>> B. The teacher knows who did. >>> >>> C. The teacher knows if they did it. >>> >>> Ok, there was three. . . >>> >>> I am using a script that takes input from the student, like name, period, grade, etc. >>> >>> The teacher edits a simple text file with the day's instructions in it and that is placed using include. >>> >>> The students have places to respond and a submit button at the end. >>> >>> It then emails the results to a specified email account. >>> >>> But with the student being able to enter the name themselves, a single student could enter the data for any number of them. If it pulled the currently logged in user's name and submitted that along with, the teacher would know if cheating was going on. >>> >>> Just a weird, unique request. . . >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> P.S. The webpage is php, running on a linux server and the students are logging in on windows workstations from a Novell server. >>> >>> >>> >>> Doug Simpson >>> Technology Specialist >>> De Queen Public Schools >>> De Queen, AR >>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri Nov 7 18:49:30 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:49:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and specific IPs In-Reply-To: <400d33020811071026g29942914r960689b7c75d9020@mail.gmail.com> References: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <491486A8.1030204@scheie.homedns.org> <400d33020811071026g29942914r960689b7c75d9020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49148DBA.6030407@scheie.homedns.org> Nick Hadgis wrote: > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Peter Scheie > > wrote: > > Here's an almost-helpful suggestion: There are some projects out > there, the names of which I can't recall at the moment, in which > unrecognized client systems are redirected to a webpage in which > the user is required to register. This happens via the user's web > browser, so if the user doesn't open firefox, say, it appears to > them they are just not connected. These kind of systems are > deployed in places likes yours, and airports where they charge > for internet access. There was a great writeup about one system > six or eight years ago in Linux Journal, by some people from a > school such as yours. Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of > their project, but you might try searching LJ's archives. > > Peter > > > Peter, > I think the project are either PacketFence http://www.packetfence.org > or OpenNAC http://www.opennac.net > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9551 Ah, it was OpenNAC. I was hoping someone with a better memory than I have would speak up. Thanks Nick! From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 20:23:22 2008 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:23:22 -0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Hotmail DOA- Hotmail won't allow users to enter text in body of email In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0811041134i1c9c4d93sc70fb0da9432ec1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0811041134i1c9c4d93sc70fb0da9432ec1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12b235150811071223p359a928fw66e48ad87ba8a211@mail.gmail.com> Hi friends!!! I solved this problem just today!!! Is very very simple the solution! The problem occurs when hotmail checks what OS is in the client, through firefox. Only the copies of firefox in firefox official site not have this trouble... but do no download!!! I just simply explanation about this! In a few steps is all resolved!: 1 - open firefox 2 - write in the box where you write "www.anysite...." about:config 3- search "general.agentuser.vendor" 4 - double clic and delete the name vendor (Red Hat, Centos, Ubuntu...) 5 - FINISH! note: the "" not included in the step to follow! If for any reason, you bakc to this problem, other alternative is the plug-in for firefox "Switch user agent" Sorry for my bad english folks!!!! Cheers from Argentina!!! 2008/11/4 Jim Christiansen > Well, I've been wondering about when all of the students were going to come > to me complaining that hotmail doesn't work since we been getting the > "Upgrade your Browser" message from hotmail. This morning it finally > happened and I've not only heard from students but also loudly from some > teachers... > > I've said that our only solution is to use another webmail system know to > work like gmail... > > Are there any fixes to this problem that you know about? > > Thanks, Jim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I just simply explanation about this! > In a few steps is all resolved!: > 1 - open firefox > 2 - write in the box where you write "www.anysite...." about:config > 3- search "general.agentuser.vendor" Sorry is "useragent" not "agentuser"!!! > > 4 - double clic and delete the name vendor (Red Hat, Centos, Ubuntu...) > 5 - FINISH! > note: the "" not included in the step to follow! > If for any reason, you bakc to this problem, other alternative is the > plug-in for firefox "Switch user agent" > Sorry for my bad english folks!!!! > Cheers from Argentina!!! > 2008/11/4 Jim Christiansen > >> Well, I've been wondering about when all of the students were going to >> come to me complaining that hotmail doesn't work since we been getting the >> "Upgrade your Browser" message from hotmail. This morning it finally >> happened and I've not only heard from students but also loudly from some >> teachers... >> >> I've said that our only solution is to use another webmail system know to >> work like gmail... >> >> Are there any fixes to this problem that you know about? >> >> Thanks, Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lcorsetti at llnl.gov Fri Nov 7 20:38:38 2008 From: lcorsetti at llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:38:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Any rpm for RHEL 5 server without boot services? Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20081107123457.040044a0@llnl.gov> Hi, I would like to configure Red Hat Enterprise 5 servers as ldm login servers only and not have any LTSP boot services on them. Is there an rpm that only includes the ldminfo related software to accomplish this? If not, I imagine the manual steps to accomplish this are not very complicated. Can any of you offer insight? Thanks! Lisa Corsetti Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory From robark at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 20:50:45 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:50:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] fltk teacher tool blues In-Reply-To: <49140D03020000D40000D480@fs2.anwsu.org> References: <49140D03020000D40000D480@fs2.anwsu.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Will Hatch wrote: > I tried starting from the command line, and typing the code in that you suggested. No luck with either suggestion. No users are showing up as logged in. Again, I am logged in as root on the server itself, and am logged in as myself on one of my thin clients. My thin clients are DevonIT units. I am using a Dell Optiplex 745 as my K12LTSP server, with one nic. When I try "yum update fl_teachertool" at the command line it says that it can't find a update match. I'm stumped! > power on (boot up) just couple of clients and login to them with separate usernames and send us the output of this netstat -t -e | grep x11 -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From lesmikesell at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 20:57:51 2008 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:57:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Any rpm for RHEL 5 server without boot services? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20081107123457.040044a0@llnl.gov> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20081107123457.040044a0@llnl.gov> Message-ID: <4914ABCF.7060109@gmail.com> Lisa Corsetti wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to configure Red Hat Enterprise 5 servers as ldm login > servers only and not have any LTSP boot services on them. Is there an > rpm that only includes the ldminfo related software to accomplish this? > If not, I imagine the manual steps to accomplish this are not very > complicated. Can any of you offer insight? If you have installed the k12ltsp server software, just stop the dhcpd service: service dhcpd stop and chkconfig dhcpd off to keep it from starting at bootup. I'm not sure how you enable remote X logins on a stock RHEL5 - it used to be with gdmconfig on older versions but I think it is changed now. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 21:40:57 2008 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:40:57 -0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Hi! I need your council please! Message-ID: <12b235150811071340u6694c21en67ffdc295939971f@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks! I have in mind a great question: I need automate to maximum the installation process, Codecs, plug-ins (flash, java), wine & wine-doors install, some win32 apps... Why? Because I are implement from 4 years ago in schools of our province (state) of Cordoba. I am job in the Ministery of Educaction - AREA: Direction of Systems, and suddenly, recently, my boss, the politics of the Ministery of Education are interest in this proyect. (four long years...). I am a simply linux power user! and I did learn in the road how implement with very succefull. I ask to all you: Ther is any shape of create a "metadistro" with any tools? I use Centos k125EL, or is more easy create a script to do this? (I have create one simply). I ask this, because I am the only that understand "linux" in my job and my co-workers no have any idea about, but they will install the system in schools and not only they! the responsibles of labs too! and they are teachers that only learn to on/off the computers nothing more!!! I need know if exists any tools for create a Unattended metadistro or I am a Crazy horse??? 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Just use a kvm switch -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 22:10:49 2008 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:10:49 -0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Graphic accel in i810, is possible? Message-ID: <12b235150811071410i3da8fdb2rdda0487d244cbd91@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks! I have try to set-up graph accel in my i810 clients and I have lost. Somebody can tell me where I did find? A litlle help please? In this moment, the client machines are a compaq deskpro Ex566 (with) with mother intel and i810 video. I have a test and glxgears in client tell me: 900 frame in 5.6 seconds = 160.632 FPS (poor!) Thankyou friends and sorry for my bad english! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Take Care, Barry Cisna From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Fri Nov 7 23:17:55 2008 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:17:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing to a LaserJet 1320 References: <1226099376.21782.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081107T151755Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> Thanks Barry. I did some more digging and setting tray 2 to the default for printing fixed the problem. It is a network printer. Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kinney III) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:30:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Computer In-Reply-To: <4913F03C.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> References: <48FD9613.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> <48FE1652.2000705@biochemfluidics.com> <4912AF14.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> <1226062883.3218.8.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <4913F03C.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1226107814.8945.4.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Vmware-player files can be created with vmware workstation. Once saved, those can be distributed with vmware-player as an image file. I created one with no hard drive, 128MB RAM, sound and usb to emulate the thin client in use. It is configured in it virtual bios to PXE boot. I have enclosed the vmware-player files. Hopefully the list can handle attachments. If not, I'll see about putting them on my website. Download vmware-player from vmware.com On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 07:37 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: > -OR- > > XP desktop with vmware-player running a PXE boot-only virtual machine > that boots from the thin client server like the students. > > Can you provide more info on how to set this up? > > Much appreciated! > > DS > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > De Queen Public Schools > De Queen, AR > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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Here in Ontario the Ministry of Education purchases licenses for software and provides it at no cost for the schools. There is no real incentive to look towards OSS. The good news that outside the board I work for OSS is being used. I feel for the students because they are forced to use Microsoft Office then have to purchase it for home to do their homework. I would like to see Open Office and other great software on cd for lending from the school library. Some families can't afford MS Office. I find it very fustrating and difficult to get the word out. Jason From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Nov 8 06:19:42 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:19:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] School board not interested in OSS In-Reply-To: <697a67d60811072050u4e8c516al22b0715698367305@mail.gmail.com> References: <697a67d60811072050u4e8c516al22b0715698367305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49152F7E.1080208@cmosnetworks.com> Waitasec...if the Ministry of Education is purchasing the licenses, then how is it free of charge? Where's the money coming from? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Jason Yeoman wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've been on the list for a few years now. I am a computer tech who > works for the local school board who unfortunately does not embrace OS > Software. > > Here in Ontario the Ministry of Education purchases licenses for > software and provides it at no cost for the schools. There is no real > incentive to look towards OSS. The good news that outside the board I > work for OSS is being used. I feel for the students because they are > forced to use Microsoft Office then have to purchase it for home to do > their homework. I would like to see Open Office and other great > software on cd for lending from the school library. Some families > can't afford MS Office. > > I find it very fustrating and difficult to get the word out. > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harish.pillay at gmail.com Sat Nov 8 08:33:50 2008 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:33:50 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] School board not interested in OSS In-Reply-To: <49152F7E.1080208@cmosnetworks.com> References: <697a67d60811072050u4e8c516al22b0715698367305@mail.gmail.com> <49152F7E.1080208@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: > Waitasec...if the Ministry of Education is purchasing the licenses, then how > is it free of charge? Where's the money coming from? This is very typical. For example, here in Singapore, the Ministry of Education has a national license to Windows and Office which means that all schools do not know of the real costs of using these tools. Clever way to hide away the numbers. So, when you talk to principals and teachers about using OO.o, they look puzzled. The way you should approach this is by highlighting the fact that the school should not be teaching a particular product, but the concepts behind it (wordprocessing, spreadsheets, presentations etc). Second, ask the school if the child can get a copy of Office from the school and run it at home. Recognize that not all children and their families can afford the "student edition" so they might revert to unauthorized copies (I don't use the word "piracy"). So, is the school inadvertently promoting the unauthorized copying of software? All of this is avoidable with open office which is freely copyable and distributable. Hope this helps. -- Harish Pillay h.pillay at ieee.org gpg id: 746809E3 fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Nov 8 13:43:27 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 07:43:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] School board not interested in OSS Message-ID: <1226151807.20210.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Harish, Very well put. Sounds like almost everyone "in the trenches" like us end up against the same scenario.As I've said before most people view OSS as "If it is free it cant be very good". Shows you how narrow minded the powers that be are:(. Goes to show (in most cases) they have a good line of BS and not much common sense, to be the controlling decision maker in school doings:(. Good luck in your pursuit Jason. Take Care, Barry Cisna From whatch at anwsu.org Sat Nov 8 14:05:34 2008 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:05:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] fltk teacher tool blues Message-ID: <4915565E020000D40000D4FD@fs2.anwsu.org> When I type in the command you suggested I get nothing really. [wphillips at server ~]$ netstat -t -e | grep x11 [wphillips at server ~]$ I did the same thing under a different user name with the same result; it just goes back to the prompt. So what does this mean? Thanks for the help Robert. -Will >>> "Robert Arkiletian" 11/07/08 3:50 PM >>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Will Hatch wrote: > I tried starting from the command line, and typing the code in that you suggested. No luck with either suggestion. No users are showing up as logged in. Again, I am logged in as root on the server itself, and am logged in as myself on one of my thin clients. My thin clients are DevonIT units. I am using a Dell Optiplex 745 as my K12LTSP server, with one nic. When I try "yum update fl_teachertool" at the command line it says that it can't find a update match. I'm stumped! > power on (boot up) just couple of clients and login to them with separate usernames and send us the output of this netstat -t -e | grep x11 -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. 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From micha at arava.co.il Sat Nov 8 14:26:02 2008 From: micha at arava.co.il (Micha Silver) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:26:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] School board not interested in OSS In-Reply-To: References: <697a67d60811072050u4e8c516al22b0715698367305@mail.gmail.com> <49152F7E.1080208@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4915A17A.1060307@arava.co.il> Harish Pillay wrote: >> Waitasec...if the Ministry of Education is purchasing the licenses, then how >> is it free of charge? Where's the money coming from? >> > > This is very typical. For example, here in Singapore, the Ministry of Education > has a national license to Windows and Office which means that all schools do > not know of the real costs of using these tools. Clever way to hide away the > numbers. > > SImilar situation here in Israel. The MOE has some "School Agreement" whereby Regional Councils pay to MS a fee of about $2 per student (based on the number of students, not software installations !) in the Council, then they can install Office, MSProject, Visio, Terminal Clients, etc, for no charge. Furthermore teachers and school administrators are eligible for a copy of MS Office at a greatly discounted price. It's not made public how much the gov't actually pays MS for this arrangement. And any mention of FOSS earns you looks like "what planet did you fall from?" Micha > So, when you talk to principals and teachers about using OO.o, they look > puzzled. The way you should approach this is by highlighting the fact that > the school should not be teaching a particular product, but the concepts > behind it (wordprocessing, spreadsheets, presentations etc). Second, ask > the school if the child can get a copy of Office from the school and run it > at home. Recognize that not all children and their families can afford the > "student edition" so they might revert to unauthorized copies (I don't use > the word "piracy"). So, is the school inadvertently promoting the unauthorized > copying of software? All of this is avoidable with open office which is > freely copyable and distributable. > > Hope this helps. > From admin at childrenfirstflorida.org Sat Nov 8 19:17:45 2008 From: admin at childrenfirstflorida.org (MW Rathburn) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:17:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual NIC and DHCP Message-ID: <200811081927.mA8JRnhx016020@mx3.redhat.com> I've installed K12LTSP (CentOS5) for evaluation. Server has dual NIC's. eth0 has the default 192.168.0.254 scheme. eth1 is static 192.168.1.25. I have both NIC's going into the same switch/router/firewall, which gives out it's own DHCP in the 192.168.1.x scheme. My questions are: When I plug in a PXE capable thin client appliance, will it know to get it's information from the 192.168.0.x DHCP server or the 192.168.1.x DHCP server (the switch/router/firewall)? (yet to receive the appliance to test this) Should I just use one of the NIC's and manually assign the appliance's IP information from the router via DHCP Reserved IP, then update the dhcpd.conf file, using the 192.168.1.x scheme? Thanks. From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sat Nov 8 19:40:47 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:40:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual NIC and DHCP In-Reply-To: <200811081927.mA8JRnhx016020@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200811081927.mA8JRnhx016020@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4915EB3F.40303@scheie.homedns.org> You don't want to do that. Having two DHCP servers on the same network will cause all kinds of problems. With that said, if you have vlans in the switch, you could segregate the thin clients onto the same vlan as the LTSP server, but you need to be able to turn off the switch's DHCP server on those same ports. The clients are dumb, they'll have no way to know which DHCP server is answering their request for an address, which is why you shouldn't run two DHCP servers on the same network. In the LTSP servers dhcpd.conf (k12ltsp-dhcpd.conf, I think), you can tell the DHCP server to give out addresses only to specific MAC addresses. If you can do the same in your switch, you could arrange it so that only the LTSP gives addresses to the clients. But that all sounds like an awful lot of work; I think it would be much simpler to just use two switches, one for just the clients and the other for connecting the server to the rest of the network. Peter MW Rathburn wrote: > I've installed K12LTSP (CentOS5) for evaluation. Server has dual NIC's. > eth0 has the default 192.168.0.254 scheme. eth1 is static 192.168.1.25. > > I have both NIC's going into the same switch/router/firewall, which gives > out it's own DHCP in the 192.168.1.x scheme. My questions are: > > When I plug in a PXE capable thin client appliance, will it know to get it's > information from the 192.168.0.x DHCP server or the 192.168.1.x DHCP server > (the switch/router/firewall)? (yet to receive the appliance to test this) > > Should I just use one of the NIC's and manually assign the appliance's IP > information from the router via DHCP Reserved IP, then update the dhcpd.conf > file, using the 192.168.1.x scheme? > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Nov 8 19:42:04 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:42:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual NIC and DHCP In-Reply-To: <200811081927.mA8JRnhx016020@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200811081927.mA8JRnhx016020@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4915EB8C.4020707@cmosnetworks.com> MW Rathburn wrote: > I've installed K12LTSP (CentOS5) for evaluation. Server has dual NIC's. > eth0 has the default 192.168.0.254 scheme. eth1 is static 192.168.1.25. > That should be just fine--provided, of course, that both interfaces are on different broadcast domains. > I have both NIC's going into the same switch/router/firewall, which gives > out it's own DHCP in the 192.168.1.x scheme. My questions are: > OK, which is it--the same switch, the same router, or the same firewall? Which one? > When I plug in a PXE capable thin client appliance, will it know to get it's > information from the 192.168.0.x DHCP server or the 192.168.1.x DHCP server > (the switch/router/firewall)? (yet to receive the appliance to test this) > That depends on how you've hooked things up (see previous question). > Should I just use one of the NIC's and manually assign the appliance's IP > information from the router via DHCP Reserved IP, then update the dhcpd.conf > file, using the 192.168.1.x scheme? > > Well, if your K12LTSP server's eth1 is hooked up to your router, then you could certainly do a DHCP reservation. I tend to prefer static assignments, because it's just easier. Either way, you don't need to touch the K12LTSP server's dhcpd.conf, unless you made some custom tweaks to it to hand out 192.168.1.x addresses. --TP From robark at gmail.com Sat Nov 8 19:51:17 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:51:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] fltk teacher tool blues In-Reply-To: <4915565E020000D40000D4FD@fs2.anwsu.org> References: <4915565E020000D40000D4FD@fs2.anwsu.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Will Hatch wrote: > When I type in the command you suggested I get nothing really. > > [wphillips at server ~]$ netstat -t -e | grep x11 > [wphillips at server ~]$ > > I did the same thing under a different user name with the same result; it just goes back to the prompt. So what does this mean? Thanks for the help Robert. -Will > I don't understand why netstat is not giving you any output. Try this command: last | grep still -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From admin at childrenfirstflorida.org Sat Nov 8 20:22:47 2008 From: admin at childrenfirstflorida.org (MW Rathburn) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:22:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual NIC and DHCP In-Reply-To: <4915EB8C.4020707@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200811082033.mA8KXwhw024701@mx3.redhat.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: "Terrell Prud? Jr." [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] > > I have both NIC's going into the same switch/router/firewall, which > > gives out it's own DHCP in the 192.168.1.x scheme. My > questions are: > > > > OK, which is it--the same switch, the same router, or the > same firewall? Which one? > All three. A Netgear FVX538 switch/router/firewall. The hardware can also do multiple LAN's or multi-home, but the additional LAN's cannot do DHCP so that's out. > Well, if your K12LTSP server's eth1 is hooked up to your > router, then you could certainly do a DHCP reservation. I > tend to prefer static assignments, because it's just easier. > Either way, you don't need to touch the K12LTSP server's > dhcpd.conf, unless you made some custom tweaks to it to hand > out 192.168.1.x addresses. > Okay. T'was wondering if PXE has some magical method of getting address information over and above normal DHCP. This is all new to me. We can't segregate the network with switches, since each desktop has only one network drop, and those pass through IP dual-port IP phones all to a shared switch. So it sounds like we need to just use one of the NIC's in the server, give it an address that's the same as the rest of the network and disable DHCP or turn off NetworkManager (?). What else needs to be done so that a thin client given address 192.168.1.254 from the router via Reserved IP knows to get it's LTSP information from server 192.1681.25? Thanks again! From admin at childrenfirstflorida.org Sat Nov 8 21:11:58 2008 From: admin at childrenfirstflorida.org (MW Rathburn) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:11:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual NIC and DHCP Message-ID: <200811082111.mA8LBucb005175@mx3.redhat.com> I found this: > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacob Hoopes > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:07 PM > To: Oren Levy > Subject: RE: [Ltsp-discuss] DHCP server is Netgear router > > Hey if you want to do that you need to put this line on the first line of your /etc/dhcpd.conf file: > not authoritative; > that's it, now you just give static ip's to your ltsp nodes and under your subnet declaration in the linux /etc/dhcpd.conf make it look similar to this: > subnet 192.168.100.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > range dynamic-bootp 192.168.100.1 192.168.100.20; > ping-check true; > deny unknown-clients; <--this is the option we're concerned with > host wyse { > hardware ethernet 00:00:00:00:00:00; > fixed-address 192.168.100.1; > filename "/pxelinux.0"; > option vendor-class-identifier "PXEClient"; > option vendor-encapsulated-options 09:0f:80:00:0c:4e:65:74:77:6f:72:6b:20:62:6f:6f:74:0a:07:00:50:72:6f:6d:70:7 4:06:01:02:08:03:80:00:00:47:04:80:00:00:00:ff; > } > } > > On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 15:09, Oren Levy wrote: > > Thanks all. Just to be clear, I want to keep the router DHCP running, for all the other PCs, while I fiddle around with LTSP. Thus, I wanted to add a linux DHCP server to run in parallel with the router. LTSP clients would speak to the linux DHCP server, everyone else would speak with the router. ***** It's a five year old post, but I assume it's still valid for the latest K12LSTP version? Each thin client that I'd have connect to LSTP would have an entry in the dhcpd.conf file. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Nov 9 14:04:50 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:04:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HA Clustering k12ltsp Message-ID: <1226239490.31428.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello List, Just wondering if anyone on the list here has ever done an actual HA clustering setup with k12ltsp? I attempted this about 5 years ago with the HS clustering module available in Webmin. Didn't have any luck,but at the time I didn't have a lot of time to scratch at it much. From that point We have always just set up three servers per subnet at school and have found that this simply "load balances" the servers within each subnet to were they end up with about equal number of clients logged into each. Not exactly RFC1234 compliant but haven't had any probs with this setup. Has anyone built a good mousetrap out of a good full fledged clustering setup via k12ltsp? I'm guessing , I just don't have enough geekiness to make this happen,:). Thanks, Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Nov 9 14:12:11 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:12:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Any rpm for RHEL 5 server without boot services? Message-ID: <1226239931.31568.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Lisa, Did you ever figure out any options for your setup you are trying to accomplish? As Les stated, unless I'm missing something you should be able to accomplish what you are intending to do by simply doing a default server install of K12LTSP(5),and once installed simply turn off dhcp service on this server at startup. Once dhcpd is not running no clients will ever know this server is sitting on your subnet,unless you provide dir shares or the like. Take Care, Barry Cisna From julius at turtle.com Mon Nov 10 03:00:16 2008 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:00:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] HA Clustering k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1226239490.31428.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Ask me in 6 months. julius On Sun, 9 Nov 2008, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Just wondering if anyone on the list here has ever done an actual HA > clustering setup with k12ltsp? I attempted this about 5 years ago with > the HS clustering module available in Webmin. Didn't have any luck,but > at the time I didn't have a lot of time to scratch at it much. From that > point We have always just set up three servers per subnet at school and > have found that this simply "load balances" the servers within each > subnet to were they end up with about equal number of clients logged > into each. Not exactly RFC1234 compliant but haven't had any probs with > this setup. > Has anyone built a good mousetrap out of a good full fledged clustering > setup via k12ltsp? I'm guessing , I just don't have enough geekiness to > make this happen,:). > > Thanks, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at beetlebolt.com Mon Nov 10 04:13:47 2008 From: peter at beetlebolt.com (Peter k) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:13:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hotmail DOA- Hotmail won't allow users to enter text in body of email In-Reply-To: <12b235150811071224m6cf8b5d4yfedc5184f77c649f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0811041134i1c9c4d93sc70fb0da9432ec1a@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150811071223p359a928fw66e48ad87ba8a211@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150811071224m6cf8b5d4yfedc5184f77c649f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5c0b99870811092013h4a479368sb4d129e40022bf80@mail.gmail.com> Here's an article about it: http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6023147333.html -peter 2008/11/7 Alberto Castillo : > > > 2008/11/7 Alberto Castillo >> >> Hi friends!!! >> I solved this problem just today!!! >> Is very very simple the solution! >> The problem occurs when hotmail checks what OS is in the client, through >> firefox. >> Only the copies of firefox in firefox official site not have this >> trouble... but do no download!!! I just simply explanation about this! >> In a few steps is all resolved!: >> 1 - open firefox >> 2 - write in the box where you write "www.anysite...." about:config >> 3- search "general.agentuser.vendor" > > Sorry is "useragent" not "agentuser"!!! >> >> 4 - double clic and delete the name vendor (Red Hat, Centos, Ubuntu...) >> 5 - FINISH! >> note: the "" not included in the step to follow! >> If for any reason, you bakc to this problem, other alternative is the >> plug-in for firefox "Switch user agent" >> Sorry for my bad english folks!!!! >> Cheers from Argentina!!! >> 2008/11/4 Jim Christiansen >>> >>> Well, I've been wondering about when all of the students were going to >>> come to me complaining that hotmail doesn't work since we been getting the >>> "Upgrade your Browser" message from hotmail. This morning it finally >>> happened and I've not only heard from students but also loudly from some >>> teachers... >>> >>> I've said that our only solution is to use another webmail system know to >>> work like gmail... >>> >>> Are there any fixes to this problem that you know about? >>> >>> Thanks, Jim >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Mon Nov 10 13:03:23 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:03:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any rpm for RHEL 5 server without boot services? In-Reply-To: <4914ABCF.7060109@gmail.com> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20081107123457.040044a0@llnl.gov> <4914ABCF.7060109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4918311B.6080501@biochemfluidics.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > Lisa Corsetti wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I would like to configure Red Hat Enterprise 5 servers as ldm login >> servers only and not have any LTSP boot services on them. Is there an >> rpm that only includes the ldminfo related software to accomplish >> this? If not, I imagine the manual steps to accomplish this are not >> very complicated. Can any of you offer insight? > > If you have installed the k12ltsp server software, just stop the dhcpd > service: > service dhcpd stop > and > chkconfig dhcpd off > to keep it from starting at bootup. I'm not sure how you enable remote > X logins on a stock RHEL5 - it used to be with gdmconfig on older > versions but I think it is changed now. > On my CentOS 5 system, gdmconfig has the option to turn on/off remote X logins. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Mon Nov 10 13:12:18 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:12:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] School board not interested in OSS In-Reply-To: <697a67d60811072050u4e8c516al22b0715698367305@mail.gmail.com> References: <697a67d60811072050u4e8c516al22b0715698367305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49183332.4040103@biochemfluidics.com> Jason Yeoman wrote: > Here in Ontario the Ministry of Education purchases licenses for > software and provides it at no cost for the schools. There is no real > incentive to look towards OSS. > I feel for the students because they are > forced to use Microsoft Office then have to purchase it for home to do > their homework. I would like to see Open Office and other great > software on cd for lending from the school library. Some families > can't afford MS Office. > That's the incentive, right there. As a side note, I just discovered that OpenOffice has extensions available (like Firefox does). http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/ There is an extension that allows you to import and edit PDF documents. I've tested it and it does work. It requires OpenOffice 3.0. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport Extensions were one of the main selling points for Firefox, and I wouldn't be surprised to see extensions become a big selling point for OpenOffice as well. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. 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Actually, they can check off "read", "write", etc, but the permissions don't "stick". If the same user logs into the linux machine, he can change the permissions. I'm thinking there must be an option in smb.conf that controls this -- does anybody know what it is? -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From rasher at paragould.k12.ar.us Mon Nov 10 13:45:49 2008 From: rasher at paragould.k12.ar.us (Rob Asher) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:45:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] fltk teacher tool blues In-Reply-To: References: <4915565E020000D40000D4FD@fs2.anwsu.org> Message-ID: <4917E69C.0172.0037.0@paragould.k12.ar.us> >From the look of the prompt, he's not logged in as root and may not have privileges to run netstat. Rob ------------------------------------- Rob Asher Network Systems Technician Paragould School District (870)236-7744 Ext. 169 >>> "Robert Arkiletian" 11/8/2008 1:51 PM >>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Will Hatch wrote: > When I type in the command you suggested I get nothing really. > > [wphillips at server ~]$ netstat -t -e | grep x11 > [wphillips at server ~]$ > > I did the same thing under a different user name with the same result; it just goes back to the prompt. So what does this mean? Thanks for the help Robert. -Will > I don't understand why netstat is not giving you any output. Try this command: last | grep still -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ---------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Paragould School District MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ---------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Paragould School District MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From whatch at anwsu.org Mon Nov 10 13:46:21 2008 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:46:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] fltk teacher tool blues Message-ID: <4917F4DD020000D40000D57B@fs2.anwsu.org> This is what I get from a workstation, when logged in as myself, and when I type in "last | grep still" [whatch at server ~]$ last | grep still whatch pts/2 :1000.0 Mon Nov 10 08:31 still logged in ccastill ws108.ltsp:1 ws108.ltsp Tue Sep 30 14:25 - 14:41 (00:16) ccastill ws108.ltsp:16 Tue Sep 30 14:25 - down (2+21:31) [whatch at server ~]$ The user ccastillo appears to be logged in, although I don't know how. It is like the server never logged him out last time he used the network. >>> "Robert Arkiletian" 11/08/08 2:51 PM >>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Will Hatch wrote: > When I type in the command you suggested I get nothing really. > > [wphillips at server ~]$ netstat -t -e | grep x11 > [wphillips at server ~]$ > > I did the same thing under a different user name with the same result; it just goes back to the prompt. So what does this mean? Thanks for the help Robert. -Will > I don't understand why netstat is not giving you any output. Try this command: last | grep still -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you're not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. It is the policy of ANWSU not to discriminate on the basis or race, color, religion, national origin, gender, disability, or gender orientation in its educational programs or activities, or in its employment policies as required by Title IX of the 1972 Educational Amendments, by Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, by Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and by Vermont State Law. From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 13:52:19 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:52:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Sluggish file server Message-ID: This just started a couple of weeks ago, but a couple of times now the kjournald process on the primary fileserver has been utilizing all the CPU. The result is very sluggish response for all users since /home is nfs mounted from this system. Issuing a "mount -a -o remount" doesn't help (and doesn't hurt). What log file should I look at to see what the issue is? I have full backups running on the weekend via Backuppc and haven't had any issues in that respect with Backuppc reporting successful completion. Over 80% of the disk is free on both the / and the /home partitions. After a reboot, the load average quickly climbs back up to around 9 and stays there. Thanks! Dave Hopkins From whatch at anwsu.org Mon Nov 10 14:02:50 2008 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:02:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] fltk teacher tool blues Message-ID: <4917F8BA020000D40000D581@fs2.anwsu.org> I just ran netstat as root with the same result. [root at server ~]# netstat -t -e | grep x11 [root at server ~]# >>> "Rob Asher" 11/10/08 8:45 AM >>> >From the look of the prompt, he's not logged in as root and may not have privileges to run netstat. Rob ------------------------------------- Rob Asher Network Systems Technician Paragould School District (870)236-7744 Ext. 169 >>> "Robert Arkiletian" 11/8/2008 1:51 PM >>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Will Hatch wrote: > When I type in the command you suggested I get nothing really. > > [wphillips at server ~]$ netstat -t -e | grep x11 > [wphillips at server ~]$ > > I did the same thing under a different user name with the same result; it just goes back to the prompt. So what does this mean? Thanks for the help Robert. -Will > I don't understand why netstat is not giving you any output. Try this command: last | grep still -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ---------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Paragould School District MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ---------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Paragould School District MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. 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In-Reply-To: <12b235150811071340u6694c21en67ffdc295939971f@mail.gmail.com> References: <12b235150811071340u6694c21en67ffdc295939971f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/11/7 Alberto Castillo : > Hi folks! > I have in mind a great question: > I need automate to maximum the installation process, Codecs, plug-ins > (flash, java), wine & wine-doors install, some win32 apps... I don't know of any meta-distros, but you could of course write a script to pull in all the required packages on a fresh Debian or Ubuntu install. Reinier From rasher at paragould.k12.ar.us Mon Nov 10 14:39:50 2008 From: rasher at paragould.k12.ar.us (Rob Asher) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:39:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] fltk teacher tool blues In-Reply-To: <4917F8BA020000D40000D581@fs2.anwsu.org> References: <4917F8BA020000D40000D581@fs2.anwsu.org> Message-ID: <4917F345.0172.0037.0@paragould.k12.ar.us> No x11 in the output of netstat for grep to find then. Do you at least get any output with: netstat -pantuew Rob ------------------------------------- Rob Asher Network Systems Technician Paragould School District (870)236-7744 Ext. 169 >>> "Will Hatch" 11/10/2008 8:02 AM >>> I just ran netstat as root with the same result. [root at server ~]# netstat -t -e | grep x11 [root at server ~]# >>> "Rob Asher" 11/10/08 8:45 AM >>> >From the look of the prompt, he's not logged in as root and may not have privileges to run netstat. Rob ------------------------------------- Rob Asher Network Systems Technician Paragould School District (870)236-7744 Ext. 169 >>> "Robert Arkiletian" 11/8/2008 1:51 PM >>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Will Hatch wrote: > When I type in the command you suggested I get nothing really. > > [wphillips at server ~]$ netstat -t -e | grep x11 > [wphillips at server ~]$ > > I did the same thing under a different user name with the same result; it just goes back to the prompt. So what does this mean? Thanks for the help Robert. -Will > I don't understand why netstat is not giving you any output. Try this command: last | grep still -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ---------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Paragould School District MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ---------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Paragould School District MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. 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From robark at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 16:54:10 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:54:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] fltk teacher tool blues In-Reply-To: <4917E69C.0172.0037.0@paragould.k12.ar.us> References: <4915565E020000D40000D4FD@fs2.anwsu.org> <4917E69C.0172.0037.0@paragould.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Rob Asher wrote: > >From the look of the prompt, he's not logged in as root and may not have privileges to run netstat. It should still work without being root. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 17:03:27 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:03:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] fltk teacher tool blues In-Reply-To: <4917F4DD020000D40000D57B@fs2.anwsu.org> References: <4917F4DD020000D40000D57B@fs2.anwsu.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:46 AM, Will Hatch wrote: > This is what I get from a workstation, when logged in as myself, and when I type in "last | grep still" > > [whatch at server ~]$ last | grep still > whatch pts/2 :1000.0 Mon Nov 10 08:31 still logged in > ccastill ws108.ltsp:1 ws108.ltsp Tue Sep 30 14:25 - 14:41 (00:16) > ccastill ws108.ltsp:16 Tue Sep 30 14:25 - down (2+21:31) > [whatch at server ~]$ > > The user ccastillo appears to be logged in, although I don't know how. It is like the server never logged him out last time he used the network. A few points Log in more users than just the person running fl-tt. The user running fl-tt (the teacher) won't show up. Why are you using display 1000 ? > whatch pts/2 :1000.0 Why is user ccastill using display 16 ? > ccastill ws108.ltsp:16 the default display is 0. If I remember my code fl-tt counts on this. Take a look at a portion my output from last|grep still brandy ws246.ltsp:0 ws246.ltsp Mon Nov 10 09:24 still logged in stanle ws147.ltsp:0 ws147.ltsp Mon Nov 10 09:23 still logged in michae pts/3 ws212.ltsp:0 Mon Nov 10 09:23 still logged in michae ws212.ltsp:0 ws212.ltsp Mon Nov 10 09:23 still logged in -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ericbrow at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 19:36:39 2008 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:36:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] School board not interested in OSS In-Reply-To: <49183332.4040103@biochemfluidics.com> References: <697a67d60811072050u4e8c516al22b0715698367305@mail.gmail.com> <49183332.4040103@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: I have to chime in here as well. I had worked for a school district who has been extremely resistant to any OSS, even though I was saving them tens of thousands of dollars each year by expanding the number of computer classes taught with absolutely no extra costs involved. I taught a computer repair class using recycled computers I had to seek out the computers myself, because the assistant superintendent/technology coordinator refused to funnel any broken or used equipment our direction. I taught web design (HTML) and advanced web design (PHP and MySQL) running off of a LAMP server I had purchased and maintained myself. I pulled my "textbook" off of free resources on the web. I offered up my networking class to re-cable to some labs that were in horrible shape, only to be rejected. The last straw for me was when the tech coordinator, her secretary, and two consultants working overtime to swap out 6 switches, when I had asked for my students to have the experience. Something as simple as swapping out switches. They'd rather pay in the neighborhood of $90/hr rather than give students an educational opportunity. When I presented my concerns to the school board, they just shrugged their shoulders and admitted how they deferred technology matters to the tech coordinator because they really didn't understand. Quite frankly, I am rather disgusted with the mindset of technology education in the US. The whole goal seems to be to restrict information rather than guide the students how to find reliable information. I have not heard of once decent financial nor educational argument against FOSS from anyone ever. Educational leaders use lots of taxpayer money and their ignorance to keep students from learning. Sorry for venting. It is at least re-assuring to hear that other countries are having the same problems. Eric On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > Jason Yeoman wrote: >> Here in Ontario the Ministry of Education purchases licenses for >> software and provides it at no cost for the schools. There is no real >> incentive to look towards OSS. > >> I feel for the students because they are >> forced to use Microsoft Office then have to purchase it for home to do >> their homework. I would like to see Open Office and other great >> software on cd for lending from the school library. Some families >> can't afford MS Office. >> > That's the incentive, right there. > > > As a side note, I just discovered that OpenOffice has extensions > available (like Firefox does). http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/ > > There is an extension that allows you to import and edit PDF documents. > I've tested it and it does work. It requires OpenOffice 3.0. > http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport > > Extensions were one of the main selling points for Firefox, and I > wouldn't be surprised to see extensions become a big selling point for > OpenOffice as well. > > -Rob > ******************************************************** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy > version. > > ******************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Nov 10 21:41:26 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:41:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Sluggish file server Message-ID: <1226353286.17692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> David, This is just a thought to see what changes on your server. Try taking off the nfs mount and add your /home folder with a CIFS mount and reboot the server. I always do this stuff via Webmin so I don't have any typos,,as I am good at fatfingering .conf files. Is this an Centos5 K12LTSP5 server BTW? I don't know if it is possible if you have some weird whitespaces on your fstab or mtab .conf file if this would cause this? I don't think so but who knows? Did this server run Ok for several weeks and this just started going wonky on you? What do you see when you run top? Is nfsd showing lots of different processes? Let us know your progress,,,findings. Take Care, Barry Cisna From bfristen at shaw.ca Mon Nov 10 22:53:46 2008 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:53:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] School board not interested in OSS Message-ID: <4918BB7A.6090302@shaw.ca> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > > Jason Yeoman wrote: >> >> Here in Ontario the Ministry of Education purchases licenses for >> >> software and provides it at no cost for the schools. There is no real >> >> incentive to look towards OSS. The problem is not limited to K-12, but exists in universities as well. The administration gets a bulk deal on MS products, and then pretends to provide them free to the entire campus. They think it's normal to throw computers into the trash on a four year obsolescence cycle. There never seems to be enough money for research and teaching, but there is always enough money to buy commercial software and replace perfectly good computers. This is especially ironic at the University of Manitoba, where I teach. Our central Unix system is the finest I have seen at any university anywhere. The system is professionally managed and software is kept up to date. I have a SunRay thin client on my desk which gives me the full power of the clustered Unix servers, RAID backup, performance and availability. I do my heavy numbercrunching for research, as well as preparing lecture notes and presentations, all on a single Unix desktop, using what is now a 6-year old thin client. Thin clients could easily replace 99% of the PCs on campus, cutting the cost and eliminating the need for sysadmins to spend their days roaming from on PC to another, trying to figure out what each user did to their machine. Or deleting viruses. But, when it comes to computers, people are very very afraid to try anything new. There also seems to be a fear that if students work on a day to day basis with something other than Windows, they will not be able to function in the "real" world. My own experience in teaching scientific computing at the university level is that Windows is where people tend to pick up their bad habits in the first place. A student trained on a Unix/Linux platform will probably end up being a better Windows user. -- ============================================ Brian Fristensky 971 Somerville Avenue Winnipeg MB R3T 1B4 CANADA bfristen at shaw.ca 204-261-3960 ============================================ From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Nov 10 23:34:58 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:34:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows Message-ID: <1226360098.19532.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Rob, I'm not sure this would do any good for what you are describing, but what about putting an 'umask =755' in the /home portion share, of your smb.conf file. Then 'service smbd restart'. I guess I've never tried changing permissions on any files dumped onto our /home folder on the Samba file server,via winders? It always "just works",,:).Maybe you are going over the top on geekiness...:-) I'll give it a try tomorrow and let you know what we have for smb.conf settings and the like. Take Care, Barry Cisna From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Nov 10 23:43:35 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:43:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HA Clustering k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1226239490.31428.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1226239490.31428.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1226360615.3931.8.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> With DHCP load balancing and the new ldm load balancing, things work pretty well now. The clustering issue I see is the user data stateful aspect: if a system failure at the server level occurs, all users on that server will loose access (and likely their working data as well) until they restart their client and re-login. The fail-over is the next area of deep work. Current efforts to mitigate this are very challenging as it is a difficult problem. OpenSSI has much promise. There are other clustering solutions but they all center around _stateless_ user transactions. Think web servers and read mostly, write seldom databases as the main HA clustering solutions. OpenMosix has mostly stalled. Mosix is a rather expensive, proprietary solution but is a very viable option. Kerrihged shows much promise as well. On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 08:04 -0600, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Just wondering if anyone on the list here has ever done an actual HA > clustering setup with k12ltsp? I attempted this about 5 years ago with > the HS clustering module available in Webmin. Didn't have any luck,but > at the time I didn't have a lot of time to scratch at it much. From that > point We have always just set up three servers per subnet at school and > have found that this simply "load balances" the servers within each > subnet to were they end up with about equal number of clients logged > into each. Not exactly RFC1234 compliant but haven't had any probs with > this setup. > Has anyone built a good mousetrap out of a good full fledged clustering > setup via k12ltsp? I'm guessing , I just don't have enough geekiness to > make this happen,:). > > Thanks, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From DLWillson at TheGeek.NU Tue Nov 11 00:04:26 2008 From: DLWillson at TheGeek.NU (David L. Willson) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:04:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] School board not interested in OSS In-Reply-To: <27147337.1901226361128990.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> Message-ID: <24726624.1921226361866561.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> and in private business ... piracy, over-deployment, inappropriate licensing for intended use (commercial use of educational product, commercial use of test/dev product, etc...) My answers: Build it anyway. Build it subversively. Build it on your own time. Research it on Saturday, build it on Sunday, demo it on Monday. Make one for your family, your church, your charity of choice, or your geeky friends. Never try to sell vapor. Show them how it does just what they want. Ask what they like best about the Microsoft product, and find a way that the Free product does a better job. Don't bother to try to sell them product that doesn't actually out-perform what they already have. Free software is attacking at more points than Microsoft can defend. We out-virtualize, out-share, out-interoperate, and out-collaborate them. They can't possibly keep up because they are one company with vast-but-still-limited resources. We are the "Free world" and we have, as a group, unlimited resources, unlimited interest, and the ability to respond silently and efficiently to anything and everything that we like. We, as a group, have time to do everything. Show-and-tell your favorite things, don't just talk about them, and defeat Microsoft not because they cost more, but because the Free products are plainly better. Here are three products I can sell, not because they cost less, but because they are so much better than the Microsoft-based equivalent products, or there just isn't any equivalent Microsoft product: - VMware Server (on Linux) - VMware Workstation (on Linux) - OpenFiler - Untangle - Zimbra - LTSP - DimDim - Nagios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Fristensky" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 3:53:46 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [K12OSN] School board not interested in OSS On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > > Jason Yeoman wrote: >> >> Here in Ontario the Ministry of Education purchases licenses for >> >> software and provides it at no cost for the schools. There is no real >> >> incentive to look towards OSS. The problem is not limited to K-12, but exists in universities as well. The administration gets a bulk deal on MS products, and then pretends to provide them free to the entire campus. They think it's normal to throw computers into the trash on a four year obsolescence cycle. There never seems to be enough money for research and teaching, but there is always enough money to buy commercial software and replace perfectly good computers. This is especially ironic at the University of Manitoba, where I teach. Our central Unix system is the finest I have seen at any university anywhere. The system is professionally managed and software is kept up to date. I have a SunRay thin client on my desk which gives me the full power of the clustered Unix servers, RAID backup, performance and availability. I do my heavy numbercrunching for research, as well as preparing lecture notes and presentations, all on a single Unix desktop, using what is now a 6-year old thin client. Thin clients could easily replace 99% of the PCs on campus, cutting the cost and eliminating the need for sysadmins to spend their days roaming from on PC to another, trying to figure out what each user did to their machine. Or deleting viruses. But, when it comes to computers, people are very very afraid to try anything new. There also seems to be a fear that if students work on a day to day basis with something other than Windows, they will not be able to function in the "real" world. My own experience in teaching scientific computing at the university level is that Windows is where people tend to pick up their bad habits in the first place. A student trained on a Unix/Linux platform will probably end up being a better Windows user. -- ============================================ Brian Fristensky 971 Somerville Avenue Winnipeg MB R3T 1B4 CANADA bfristen at shaw.ca 204-261-3960 ============================================ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Nov 11 13:50:13 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:50:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Inbox contents suddenly disappears Message-ID: <58846.216.24.126.66.1226411413.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello List, This is the first time this has happened this school year. One teacher lost all contents of her inbox. She is very comptuer savy,and I asked if she may have created an account in Outlook or Outlook Express on her laptop that would have pulled all the contents of her inbox off of the Squirrelmail server. This happend two times last year,both times the same user. I always wondred if they may have figured out how to 'try" and setup an email account via Outlook/Outlook Express. I don't think so,but I'll never know for sure. Luckily I had a day old back up of our email boxes. I myself have looked at users email boxes via webmin to see what size they are getting in their email boxes during school. Could this be a possibility?Two different locales in the box at one time? This is dovecot/sendmail/SM 1.4.8-4 (Centos5) default install. Of course the contents of all her other email folders are still there. How would one go about troubleshooting this type of thing? I'm more curious than anything to find out what would have caused this,to try and prevent it from happening again. Thanks, Barry Cisna From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Nov 11 13:56:37 2008 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:56:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] School board not interested in OSS In-Reply-To: References: <697a67d60811072050u4e8c516al22b0715698367305@mail.gmail.com> <49183332.4040103@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <49193AB5.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> My thoughts EXACTLY! Here at our school, we ran for 8 years solid with nothing but linux servers except for one stupid M$ one that we had to purchase because a vendor wouldn't support their product on a linux server. They said it "won't run on a linux server". They were just as dumb as a bag of wet diapers. The software "runs" on the same Windows workstation from the linux "file server" and is does from the "windows fileserver" The next stupid thing they did was to downgrade to Novell. Now, we are paying $2 per student, per yearto have this ridiculous mess called Novell. And the funny thing is that this is the last version of Netware there is. They are going SuSE on all newer versions so now that we have Novell, we'll be paying for the same stuff we used to get for free. Well, no doubt that Novell is adding their crap into the mix to require the stupid, bloated, bandwidth-wasting Novell Client. On a side note, that software that that vendor said wouldn't "run on alinux server" did run just fine "from" a linux server for over a week and the users never even knew it wasn't on the original server. (I copied it over and pointed the drive mappings. . . piece of cake. . .) Around here, we have a person who thinks M$ has the only game in town. She thinks that the state requires you to teach M$ Word for example. It doesn't state that at all. It requires that they teach "word processing". Same with Excel. . .They require you teach "spreadsheet". The list goes on and on. There are many very good software packages out there in the FOSS world that are, in many cases, better than their commercial counterparts. My daughter had access to Adobe Photoshop at school and she had a copy of Photoshop Elements on her computer at home that someone gave her for a holiday gift. I set her up with a thin client setup and gave her access to The GIMP, and after a few weeks, every time I went in there to see the works she was creating, she was in The GIMP. She told me she actually prefers it to Photoshop or Elements and that there were things you could do with it that you can't do with either of those. So, spend the doh if you think you need to. I am looking for the day when schools can turn from the wicked M$ machine and move on to a better world. Free of viruses, spyware, adware, infected emails, etc. I do realize that once M$ is no longer the mainstream, there will start to be more malware out there for *nix and other "free" systems, but due to securities already inherent in them, it will be much harder to make them widespread. So, I'll get off it for now. . . Doug Simpson Doug Simpson Technology Specialist De Queen Public Schools De Queen, AR simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >>> "Eric Brown" 11/10/2008 1:36 PM >>> I have to chime in here as well. I had worked for a school district who has been extremely resistant to any OSS, even though I was saving them tens of thousands of dollars each year by expanding the number of computer classes taught with absolutely no extra costs involved. I taught a computer repair class using recycled computers I had to seek out the computers myself, because the assistant superintendent/technology coordinator refused to funnel any broken or used equipment our direction. I taught web design (HTML) and advanced web design (PHP and MySQL) running off of a LAMP server I had purchased and maintained myself. I pulled my "textbook" off of free resources on the web. I offered up my networking class to re-cable to some labs that were in horrible shape, only to be rejected. The last straw for me was when the tech coordinator, her secretary, and two consultants working overtime to swap out 6 switches, when I had asked for my students to have the experience. Something as simple as swapping out switches. They'd rather pay in the neighborhood of $90/hr rather than give students an educational opportunity. When I presented my concerns to the school board, they just shrugged their shoulders and admitted how they deferred technology matters to the tech coordinator because they really didn't understand. Quite frankly, I am rather disgusted with the mindset of technology education in the US. The whole goal seems to be to restrict information rather than guide the students how to find reliable information. I have not heard of once decent financial nor educational argument against FOSS from anyone ever. Educational leaders use lots of taxpayer money and their ignorance to keep students from learning. Sorry for venting. It is at least re-assuring to hear that other countries are having the same problems. Eric On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > Jason Yeoman wrote: >> Here in Ontario the Ministry of Education purchases licenses for >> software and provides it at no cost for the schools. There is no real >> incentive to look towards OSS. > >> I feel for the students because they are >> forced to use Microsoft Office then have to purchase it for home to do >> their homework. I would like to see Open Office and other great >> software on cd for lending from the school library. Some families >> can't afford MS Office. >> > That's the incentive, right there. > > > As a side note, I just discovered that OpenOffice has extensions > available (like Firefox does). http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/ > > There is an extension that allows you to import and edit PDF documents. > I've tested it and it does work. It requires OpenOffice 3.0. > http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport > > Extensions were one of the main selling points for Firefox, and I > wouldn't be surprised to see extensions become a big selling point for > OpenOffice as well. > > -Rob > ******************************************************** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, > copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in > error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. > E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as > information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or > incomplete, or contain viruses. > The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions > in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail > transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy > version. > > ******************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Nov 11 13:52:48 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:52:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Inbox contents suddenly disappears Message-ID: <58892.216.24.126.66.1226411568.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Sorry for post here. sent to wrong list,,:( Barry From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Tue Nov 11 14:28:32 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:28:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows In-Reply-To: <1226360098.19532.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1226360098.19532.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49199690.2020408@biochemfluidics.com> Actually, the share I'm having trouble with is not [homes], although that may give me the same problem -- I didn't check. I'm concerned about a shared-access share as follows: [freeforall] comment = storage for everyone path = /mnt/freeforall writable = yes /mnt/freeforall has 777 permissions. Everyone can write to that share via samba, but through Windows, a user cannot change permissions on his files/directories that he creates in that share. He can change the permissions through Linux, though. -Rob Barry R Cisna wrote: > Rob, > > I'm not sure this would do any good for what you are describing, but > what about putting an 'umask =755' in the /home portion share, of your > smb.conf file. Then 'service smbd restart'. I guess I've never tried > changing permissions on any files dumped onto our /home folder on the > Samba file server,via winders? It always "just works",,:).Maybe you are > going over the top on geekiness...:-) I'll give it a try tomorrow and > let you know what we have for smb.conf settings and the like. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Nov 11 15:03:04 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:03:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows Message-ID: <1226415784.19263.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Rob, Just checked a bit ago. I had to go in and knock out a couple things on Veteran's Day no less. I need to get a life! Anyways. Samba v 3.0242.(CentOS5 - K12LTSP5) I was able to log in from Server 2003, Server 2000, XP, and Vista and could change the permissions on any files and it stuck( Logged out, logged in,,,yada,,yada),,,but I was not able to change any permissions on dirs and make it stick? This was also beyond root folder IE "extra" created dirs/files -FYI. You might try adding the following on this particular share you are dealing with: public = yes I don't think this will help you any but cant hurt anything to try. Also when I try and change permissions on either files or dirs nothing is throw to the smbd.log,other than 'open-close'xyz.file. So no good info here:( What do you have os level = ??? set to in your smb.conf file? Keep us posted with what you come up with .. Take Care, Barry Cisna From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 15:16:00 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:16:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Sluggish file server In-Reply-To: <1226353286.17692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1226353286.17692.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > Is this an Centos5 > K12LTSP5 server BTW? I am using teh CentOS5 distro, but not the CentOS K12LTSP distro. > I don't know if it is possible if you have some > weird whitespaces on your fstab or mtab .conf file if this would cause > this? I don't think so but who knows? Did this server run Ok for several > weeks and this just started going wonky on you? This behavior just started. The server has been running flawlessly since early August. I haven't applied any updates to the system unless they were to fix a critical security issue. I try to 'freeze' system configurations at the start of the school year to minimize issues. > What do you see when you > run top? Is nfsd showing lots of different processes? Top shows kjournald and also several nfsd processes. Both times it has happened have been on Monday morning. I am wondering if it might not be somehow related to the full backups that run Sunday night. The backups show that they have completed by the time school starts. I'll try setting the full backups to run Saturdays instead. The only other thing that comes to mind is that samba profiles are kept on this system but I don't see how that would just now be showing up. > Let us know your progress,,,findings. Absolutely. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Nov 11 15:26:52 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:26:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Sluggish file server Message-ID: <1226417212.20148.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> David, You could comment out your full backup job for a week ,like you say to take that possibility out of the picture. Then let er run and see if you still go out of cpu. The only thing that doesn't seem this would be it,if this job runs ONLY on Sunday night,if you reboot on say Monday and your server is cpu bound in minutes this doesn't really add up. What kind of backup scheme are you using? Is this like a hand written backup script by chance? Just curious. Also have you just recently setup this backup,and this is when your cpu maxing started? If this is by coincidence it sounds like you may have nailed down the culprit. Fingers crossed:) Let us know what you figure out. Take Care, Barry Cisna From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 19:23:40 2008 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:23:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Beta Message-ID: <92de6c880811111123n58688d49l924f76e7e0fe7b7c@mail.gmail.com> I'm happy to announce that we've got a new release of SchoolTool out in sync with Ubuntu 2008.10. We're calling it a "beta." We plan on continuing to map to the Ubuntu schedule, with "1.0" slated for April. SchoolTool is a free student information system and calendar server. Details about the release here: http://book.schooltool.org/htmlhelp/intrepid-features.html Installation instructions for Ubuntu: http://book.schooltool.org/htmlhelp/install.html A couple additional notes: we're working right now on setup/export via spreadsheets, which I think will make everyone wanting to experiment with SchoolTool happy. We should have that in an update release soon. Also, I'm working on documentation for using SchoolTool as a personal gradebook or for scheduling resources in a school, which are good ways to use/test SchoolTool without making a major commitment. Enjoy! --Tom Hoffman From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Tue Nov 11 19:41:45 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:41:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows In-Reply-To: <1226415784.19263.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1226415784.19263.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4919DFF9.3020105@biochemfluidics.com> Debian Etch Samba 3.0.24 os level = 65 I confirmed the same behavior you saw. I can change permissions on files, but not on folders. "public = yes" doesn't change anything. I don't see anything in the logs at the time that I attempted the permissions change. Anybody got any ideas? -Rob Barry R Cisna wrote: > Rob, > > Just checked a bit ago. I had to go in and knock out a couple things on > Veteran's Day no less. I need to get a life! Anyways. Samba v > 3.0242.(CentOS5 - K12LTSP5) I was able to log in from Server 2003, > Server 2000, XP, and Vista and could change the permissions on any files > and it stuck( Logged out, logged in,,,yada,,yada),,,but I was not able > to change any permissions on dirs and make it stick? This was also > beyond root folder IE "extra" created dirs/files -FYI. > You might try adding the following on this particular share you are > dealing with: public = yes I don't think this will help you any but > cant hurt anything to try. > Also when I try and change permissions on either files or dirs nothing > is throw to the smbd.log,other than 'open-close'xyz.file. So no good > info here:( > What do you have os level = ??? set to in your smb.conf file? > Keep us posted with what you come up with .. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From moon at smbis.com Tue Nov 11 20:04:32 2008 From: moon at smbis.com (Moon) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:04:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Beta In-Reply-To: <92de6c880811111123n58688d49l924f76e7e0fe7b7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de6c880811111123n58688d49l924f76e7e0fe7b7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8166C40410D049BB9854F98CFE1017AB@acerpc> Since you do not support Red Hat based distos, why are you using their K12OSN support list to peddle your app? Ubuntu has a forum. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hoffman [mailto:tom.hoffman at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 02:24 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Beta I'm happy to announce that we've got a new release of SchoolTool out in sync with Ubuntu 2008.10. We're calling it a "beta." We plan on continuing to map to the Ubuntu schedule, with "1.0" slated for April. SchoolTool is a free student information system and calendar server. Details about the release here: http://book.schooltool.org/htmlhelp/intrepid-features.html Installation instructions for Ubuntu: http://book.schooltool.org/htmlhelp/install.html A couple additional notes: we're working right now on setup/export via spreadsheets, which I think will make everyone wanting to experiment with SchoolTool happy. We should have that in an update release soon. Also, I'm working on documentation for using SchoolTool as a personal gradebook or for scheduling resources in a school, which are good ways to use/test SchoolTool without making a major commitment. Enjoy! --Tom Hoffman _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 20:37:05 2008 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:37:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Beta In-Reply-To: <8166C40410D049BB9854F98CFE1017AB@acerpc> References: <92de6c880811111123n58688d49l924f76e7e0fe7b7c@mail.gmail.com> <8166C40410D049BB9854F98CFE1017AB@acerpc> Message-ID: <92de6c880811111237o46ef65f9p6a2e62e73d47eda9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Moon wrote: > Since you do not support Red Hat based distos, why are you using their > K12OSN support list to peddle your app? Ubuntu has a forum. Why are you trying to divide the community? It is all free software. If someone wants to make .rpm packages, as Eric Harrison has done in the past for SchoolTool, they're welcome to. It is generally not the responsibility of application developers to create binary packages for specific distributions. --Tom From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Nov 11 22:34:39 2008 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Almquist Burke) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:34:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] k12linux wikki updates Message-ID: <65E6C79A-3D9D-4472-AD0E-75A8C8ADDB53@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just made a couple updates to the install guide, networking setup, and advanced networking setup pages on the wikki at fedorahosted.org/ k12linux, now that the K12LTSP FC9 RC1 respin has been out for a while. A couple people here on the list have talked about how to do a single NIC setup. I've set aside the AdvancedNetworkSetup page for information about the Single NIC setup. If anyone wants to write up their experience doing a single NIC setup as a guide and put it up on the wikki, that would be greatly appreciated. If you don't have wikki access, you can certainly email it to me and I'd be happy to put it up. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkkaCH8ACgkQxWV7OPa/g5FMRwCfUv2HpRgVd6xe9Kq+IvjIIc/P c+EAn0EVZSF4lcRtneuAztYwvP4ReQEc =fm5B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Nov 12 02:03:35 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:03:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Beta In-Reply-To: <8166C40410D049BB9854F98CFE1017AB@acerpc> References: <92de6c880811111123n58688d49l924f76e7e0fe7b7c@mail.gmail.com> <8166C40410D049BB9854F98CFE1017AB@acerpc> Message-ID: <491A3977.2090302@scheie.homedns.org> Don't be snooty. As a user of both Fedora and Ubuntu systems (and a few other distros), I like hearing about new developments in educational applications. It's all FOSS. Peter Moon wrote: > Since you do not support Red Hat based distos, why are you using their > K12OSN support list to peddle your app? Ubuntu has a forum. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Hoffman [mailto:tom.hoffman at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 02:24 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Beta > > I'm happy to announce that we've got a new release of SchoolTool out > in sync with Ubuntu 2008.10. We're calling it a "beta." We plan on > continuing to map to the Ubuntu schedule, with "1.0" slated for April. > > SchoolTool is a free student information system and calendar server. > > Details about the release here: > > http://book.schooltool.org/htmlhelp/intrepid-features.html > > Installation instructions for Ubuntu: > http://book.schooltool.org/htmlhelp/install.html > > A couple additional notes: we're working right now on setup/export via > spreadsheets, which I think will make everyone wanting to experiment > with SchoolTool happy. We should have that in an update release soon. > > Also, I'm working on documentation for using SchoolTool as a personal > gradebook or for scheduling resources in a school, which are good ways > to use/test SchoolTool without making a major commitment. > > Enjoy! > > --Tom Hoffman > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 12 03:15:13 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:15:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone confirm these work on their K12LTSP systems? Message-ID: <491A4A41.9040208@paasda.org> http://phet.colorado.edu/simulations/index.php I've tried on mine and have fallen short of the goal (them actually working)... I'm quite unfamiliar with 'java apps' other than the games I'm continually blocking on the Windows side of things... Our physics teacher asked it they'd work on the thin clients... I thought, Sure! Why not? but was proven wrong when I attempted to run them. Perhaps I'm going about it incorrectly... 1st it tries to open them with 'bluefish'(an editor if I'm not mistaken)... so I tried running them with /usr/bin/java that didn't work either. no error...it just opened with bluefish anyway... Any thoughts/advice appreciated! --Huck From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Nov 12 03:54:10 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:54:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Beta In-Reply-To: <92de6c880811111237o46ef65f9p6a2e62e73d47eda9@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de6c880811111123n58688d49l924f76e7e0fe7b7c@mail.gmail.com> <8166C40410D049BB9854F98CFE1017AB@acerpc> <92de6c880811111237o46ef65f9p6a2e62e73d47eda9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491A5362.9070301@cmosnetworks.com> Tom Hoffman wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Moon wrote: > >> Since you do not support Red Hat based distos, why are you using their >> K12OSN support list to peddle your app? Ubuntu has a forum. >> > > Why are you trying to divide the community? It is all free software. > If someone wants to make .rpm packages, as Eric Harrison has done in > the past for SchoolTool, they're welcome to. It is generally not the > responsibility of application developers to create binary packages for > specific distributions. > > --Tom > Hello Tom, I just took a look at the SchoolTool Web site. You're most certainly right in that there's no point in Ubuntu vs. Red Hat. This is a "K12OSN" forum, not just a K12LTSP forum, and everyone who does Free Software in education is welcome here. In that spirit.... Since I have actually looked at the Web site, I'm having trouble finding a tarball (that is, a .tar.gz) for the source code. If we had that, then we could just compile SchoolTool on *whatever* distro, including the BSD's. Any way you could make a source tarball available, or a CVS/Subversion/git link where we could pull the source tree down? Thanks for your work, --TP From ben at inspiredtechs.com Wed Nov 12 03:57:19 2008 From: ben at inspiredtechs.com (Ben Dailey) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:57:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone confirm these work on their K12LTSP systems? In-Reply-To: <491A4A41.9040208@paasda.org> References: <491A4A41.9040208@paasda.org> Message-ID: <57f84b3e0811111957i37792398p35dde0f86aaa8288@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Huck wrote: > http://phet.colorado.edu/simulations/index.php > > I've tried on mine and have fallen short of the goal (them actually > working)... > > I'm quite unfamiliar with 'java apps' other than the games I'm continually > blocking on the Windows side of things... > > Our physics teacher asked it they'd work on the thin clients... I thought, > Sure! Why not? but was proven wrong when I attempted to run them. > > Perhaps I'm going about it incorrectly... > > 1st it tries to open them with 'bluefish'(an editor if I'm not mistaken)... > so I tried running them with /usr/bin/java that didn't work either. > > no error...it just opened with bluefish anyway... > > Any thoughts/advice appreciated! > > --Huck > > Huck, We use these on our XP Machines and I just had to set our firefox settings to open the files automatically with Java Web Start instead of prompting the students because we disallow downloads using the great Public Fox Addon. Anyways I quick google search for Java Web Start Linux returned so promising results. Let us know how things turn out. HTH, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 04:05:07 2008 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:05:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Beta In-Reply-To: <8166C40410D049BB9854F98CFE1017AB@acerpc> References: <92de6c880811111123n58688d49l924f76e7e0fe7b7c@mail.gmail.com> <8166C40410D049BB9854F98CFE1017AB@acerpc> Message-ID: <92de6c880811112005ife05ae5nf93cc32a3eb44265@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Moon wrote: > Since you do not support Red Hat based distos, why are you using their > K12OSN support list to peddle your app? Ubuntu has a forum. I've been doing this long enough that I started writing a long explanation of why we're only providing Ubuntu packages in anticipation of kvetching. I didn't finish it because, well, it was getting pretty long and I only felt like I was half-way though the whole explanation. The planned second half would explain that since virtualization is relatively accessible now, and not a bad security practice for something like an SIS (that is, running it on its own stripped down virtual server instance to help insulate it from other systems that might be compromised) people who aren't using Ubuntu (or Linux) as their primary OS can just run SchoolTool on an Ubuntu (or JeOS) virtual server. Anyhow, for those who are interested, here's the first half which I did write: A basic design goal of SchoolTool is to be easy to install and administer at individual schools with relatively low levels of technical support. Our target implementer is more a local "power user" than a trained Unix sys admin. To be sure, we also provide options for customizations by experienced programmers and sys admins, and in the long run we hope to see SchoolTool services centrally hosted by government and vendors. But individual installations at school sites is currently the primary use case. This decision comes at some cost. Turning a program like SchoolTool into a product that can be reliably and consistently installed and deployed by anyone is a process that is often estimated to triple overall development time. Our experience has borne out that maxim. We have found that we must keep the process of production deployment as simple and standardized as possible to avoid overwhelming our limited deveopment and support resources. For some early versions of SchoolTool we created installation packages for Windows, Mac OS and Linux. It was not too difficult because Python, the language SchoolTool is written in, has excellent cross-platform support. What we came to realize, however, was that while we could figure out how to make basic packages for all these platforms that seemed to work, there was no way we could support all of them. We simply did not have the expertise or even sufficient developer access to all the necessary OS instances to fix them when they broke, or if one of them mysteriously performed poorly (as the Mac OS version did). We decided one well-maintained and supported package was better than four spotty ones. This is not to say that people cannot contribute other packages, just that the "core" SchoolTool team develops and supports one set of "official" packages. Specifically, we provide packages for Ubuntu Linux. This is a completely free, well-supported, popular and easy to use platform. It was also founded and funded by Mark Shuttleworth, who founded and funds SchoolTool, which of course played some part in the decision. Currently, the SchoolTool packages are not part of the main Ubuntu distribution, but are hosted in a "Personal Package Archive" on Launchpad.net. This works well for us while SchoolTool is still under heavy development and testing. We can push revisions to users quickly and directly, taking advantage of the automated updating features built into Ubuntu, without having to deal with the bureaucratic aspects of submitting packages to the main distribution. --Tom From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 04:24:30 2008 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:24:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Beta In-Reply-To: <491A5362.9070301@cmosnetworks.com> References: <92de6c880811111123n58688d49l924f76e7e0fe7b7c@mail.gmail.com> <8166C40410D049BB9854F98CFE1017AB@acerpc> <92de6c880811111237o46ef65f9p6a2e62e73d47eda9@mail.gmail.com> <491A5362.9070301@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <92de6c880811112024r23f7be0bgd4014d46a28006e2@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: > Tom Hoffman wrote: > In that spirit.... > > Since I have actually looked at the Web site, I'm having trouble finding a > tarball (that is, a .tar.gz) for the source code. If we had that, then we > could just compile SchoolTool on *whatever* distro, including the BSD's. > > Any way you could make a source tarball available, or a CVS/Subversion/git > link where we could pull the source tree down? Hi Terrell, The source is at our Launchpad site: https://code.launchpad.net/schooltool That is an insane pile of branches, however, so you'd better just follow these instructions: http://book.schooltool.org/htmlhelp/dev_sandbox.html The problem here is that SchoolTool is built on Zope 3, which has recently been split into a whole pile (I don't know... dozens) of separate libraries, which are distributed separately, and because the whole idea of SchoolTool is to create a modular platform, it is split into separate packages too, so that some day you'll be able to download and install, say, the Maine demographic schema or the Valencia demographic schema and whatever other components you need. So packaging SchoolTool is a bit complicated, too. It isn't just one package, it is like, 50. I don't even know what the count is. We've put a HUGE amount of work into hiding this behind 'apt-get install schooltool' I hope people will someday be able to 'yum install schooltool' someday too, but realistically, it is complicated enough that it will take a little tangible demand for someone to really do it. I know this response is a little bizarre -- obviously we're very grateful you are interested, and I don't want to scare people away. But I also want to protect you from the scary parts. And yes, there are easier ways to make web apps, but there are also advantages to using small, independent, reusable code libraries. It is just a pain to package. --Tom From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Nov 12 06:48:06 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:48:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone confirm these work on their K12LTSP systems? Message-ID: <1226472486.4488.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Huck, These apps will run fine on a TC. You will need to locate were javaws resides on your system,first. Do ' locate javaws ' . When the students go to the site you have provided here,,simply have students select "open" and they will navigate to,, /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10/jre/bin/javaws Make sure they check "Do this automatically for files of this type" as well,this way it will be more transparent next visit to this site.AKA: Saved in their own FF settings,,:). Let us know how it goes. Take Care, Barry Cisna From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Wed Nov 12 12:12:26 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:12:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows In-Reply-To: <4919DFF9.3020105@biochemfluidics.com> References: <1226415784.19263.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4919DFF9.3020105@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <491AC82A.3090003@biochemfluidics.com> I confirmed the same behavior on another system -- windows users can adjust the permissions of a file, but not a directory, on a Samba share. The 2nd system is K12LTSP 5.0EL authenticating to Active Directory. Samba 3.0.28 Still wondering if this is normal... -Rob Rob Owens wrote: > Debian Etch > Samba 3.0.24 > os level = 65 > > I confirmed the same behavior you saw. I can change permissions on > files, but not on folders. "public = yes" doesn't change anything. I > don't see anything in the logs at the time that I attempted the > permissions change. > > Anybody got any ideas? > > -Rob > > Barry R Cisna wrote: >> Rob, >> >> Just checked a bit ago. I had to go in and knock out a couple things on >> Veteran's Day no less. I need to get a life! Anyways. Samba v >> 3.0242.(CentOS5 - K12LTSP5) I was able to log in from Server 2003, >> Server 2000, XP, and Vista and could change the permissions on any files >> and it stuck( Logged out, logged in,,,yada,,yada),,,but I was not able >> to change any permissions on dirs and make it stick? This was also >> beyond root folder IE "extra" created dirs/files -FYI. >> You might try adding the following on this particular share you are >> dealing with: public = yes I don't think this will help you any but >> cant hurt anything to try. >> Also when I try and change permissions on either files or dirs nothing >> is throw to the smbd.log,other than 'open-close'xyz.file. So no good >> info here:( >> What do you have os level = ??? set to in your smb.conf file? >> Keep us posted with what you come up with .. >> >> Take Care, >> Barry Cisna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > ******************************************************** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Wed Nov 12 13:05:49 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:05:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows - SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <491AC82A.3090003@biochemfluidics.com> References: <1226415784.19263.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4919DFF9.3020105@biochemfluidics.com> <491AC82A.3090003@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <491AD4AD.10208@biochemfluidics.com> I managed to change permissions on a Samba-shared directory through Windows. No changes were needed on the Samba server. I had to use a different technique for changing the directory permissions through Windows. 1) In Windows, right-click on the Samba-shared directory and choose "Properties". 2) Hit the "Security" tab. 3) Do not attempt to change permissions here! Instead, hit the "Advanced" button. 4) On the "Permissions" tab, select a user or group and hit the "Edit..." button. 5) Make your permissions changes and wonder why the heck Windows has 14 different permissions options... 6) Hit OK 7) Hit Apply (or OK, I assume, but I didn't test it that way) 8) Hit OK Does anybody know why this alternate process is needed, and why you can't change directory permissions using the same method as changing file permissions? Is it fixed in later versions of Samba? -Rob Rob Owens wrote: > I confirmed the same behavior on another system -- windows users can > adjust the permissions of a file, but not a directory, on a Samba share. > > The 2nd system is K12LTSP 5.0EL authenticating to Active Directory. > Samba 3.0.28 > > Still wondering if this is normal... > > -Rob > > Rob Owens wrote: >> Debian Etch >> Samba 3.0.24 >> os level = 65 >> >> I confirmed the same behavior you saw. I can change permissions on >> files, but not on folders. "public = yes" doesn't change anything. I >> don't see anything in the logs at the time that I attempted the >> permissions change. >> >> Anybody got any ideas? >> >> -Rob >> >> Barry R Cisna wrote: >>> Rob, >>> >>> Just checked a bit ago. I had to go in and knock out a couple things on >>> Veteran's Day no less. I need to get a life! Anyways. Samba v >>> 3.0242.(CentOS5 - K12LTSP5) I was able to log in from Server 2003, >>> Server 2000, XP, and Vista and could change the permissions on any files >>> and it stuck( Logged out, logged in,,,yada,,yada),,,but I was not able >>> to change any permissions on dirs and make it stick? This was also >>> beyond root folder IE "extra" created dirs/files -FYI. >>> You might try adding the following on this particular share you are >>> dealing with: public = yes I don't think this will help you any but >>> cant hurt anything to try. >>> Also when I try and change permissions on either files or dirs nothing >>> is throw to the smbd.log,other than 'open-close'xyz.file. So no good >>> info here:( >>> What do you have os level = ??? set to in your smb.conf file? >>> Keep us posted with what you come up with .. >>> >>> Take Care, >>> Barry Cisna >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> ******************************************************** >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> material. 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The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 13:10:10 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:10:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Sluggish file server In-Reply-To: <1226417212.20148.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1226417212.20148.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > You could comment out your full backup job for a week ,like you say to > take that possibility out of the picture. Then let er run and see if you > still go out of cpu. I'll try this over the weekend. > The only thing that doesn't seem this would be > it,if this job runs ONLY on Sunday night,if you reboot on say Monday and > your server is cpu bound in minutes this doesn't really add up. > What kind of backup scheme are you using? Is this like a hand written > backup script by chance? Just curious. Using BackupPC which runs great once you get it set up which isn't hard if just want basic defaults (which I am using). It runs a full backup weekly and incrementals daily using ssh and rsync. > Also have you just recently setup > this backup,and this is when your cpu maxing started? If this is by > coincidence it sounds like you may have nailed down the culprit. Fingers > crossed:) Backups have been running since early September (start of school) without issues. I'm currently leaning towards it being a samba issue with roaming profiles since the PDC is my primary authentication server but I point the profile location to the file server instead of saving them on the PDC. But that is pure speculation. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From kenneth.lundstrom at nudata.fi Wed Nov 12 21:41:36 2008 From: kenneth.lundstrom at nudata.fi (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kenneth_Lundstr=F6m?=) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:41:36 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and specific IPs In-Reply-To: <49145334.4020400@biochemfluidics.com> References: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <2BF6A8E8-A36F-4F1C-90EA-C47F9E653284@breun.nl> <4913FD82.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <49145334.4020400@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <491B4D90.7000606@nudata.fi> >> Also, if they assign an address that is already in use, they'll get an IP conflict error. > But *both* machines with the duplicate address will have intermittent connection problems -- not just 2nd person to pick the address. Why not instead tweak the dhcpd config file so those no authorized clients gets an wrong ipaddress/netmask/default gateway. Everything "works" but you can?t surf. Kenneth >> -Rob >> >> >> Thanks again. . . >> >> DS >> >> Doug Simpson >> Technology Specialist >> De Queen Public Schools >> De Queen, AR >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> "A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned" >> >> >> >>>>> Nils Breunese 11/7/2008 8:27 AM >>> >>>>> >> Doug Simpson wrote: >> >> >>> Is there a way to make DHCP hand out IP addresses, but only to >>> computers that we have the MAC addresses for? In other words, DHCP >>> will hand out IP addresses, but only to a certain specified list of >>> MAC addresses. >>> >>> I am wanting to stop people from bringing unauthorized equipment >>> from home and connecting it to our network and if it don't get an IP >>> address, it won't work. >>> >> Don't forget that people can assign an IP address to their >> 'unautorized equipment from home' without DHCP. >> >> Nils Breunese. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > ******************************************************** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 11:56:23 2008 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:56:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone confirm these work on their K12LTSP systems? In-Reply-To: <491A4A41.9040208@paasda.org> References: <491A4A41.9040208@paasda.org> Message-ID: <491C15E7.5010802@gmail.com> Huck wrote: > http://phet.colorado.edu/simulations/index.php > > I've tried on mine and have fallen short of the goal (them actually > working)... > > I'm quite unfamiliar with 'java apps' other than the games I'm > continually blocking on the Windows side of things... > > Our physics teacher asked it they'd work on the thin clients... I > thought, Sure! Why not? but was proven wrong when I attempted to run them. > > Perhaps I'm going about it incorrectly... > > 1st it tries to open them with 'bluefish'(an editor if I'm not mistaken)... > so I tried running them with /usr/bin/java that didn't work either. > > no error...it just opened with bluefish anyway... > > Any thoughts/advice appreciated! > > --Huck > Just tried it on a K12LTSP5-EL (CentOS 5 with LTSP 4.2) server and it works just fine. That server has Firefox 3 and Sun JDK 1.6.04 installed (latest is 1.6.10 I think). You have to make sure that the Java plugin is present (usually by symbolic link) in the Firefox plugins directory. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Thu Nov 13 12:14:39 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:14:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and specific IPs In-Reply-To: <491B4D90.7000606@nudata.fi> References: <4913F885.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <2BF6A8E8-A36F-4F1C-90EA-C47F9E653284@breun.nl> <4913FD82.550C.0078.0@leopards.k12.ar.us> <49145334.4020400@biochemfluidics.com> <491B4D90.7000606@nudata.fi> Message-ID: <491C1A2F.8050804@biochemfluidics.com> Kenneth Lundstr?m wrote: >>> Also, if they assign an address that is already in use, they'll get > an IP conflict error. > >> But *both* machines with the duplicate address will have intermittent > connection problems -- not just 2nd person to pick the address. > > Why not instead tweak the dhcpd config file so those no authorized > clients gets an wrong ipaddress/netmask/default gateway. Everything > "works" but you can?t surf. > Hey, that's a smart idea! I'm gonna use that one someday. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From robark at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 19:17:29 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:17:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: teachertool upgrade In-Reply-To: <491B4CEE02000008000B9FF3@technetium.servers.kern.org> References: <491B4CEE02000008000B9FF3@technetium.servers.kern.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:38 PM, John Montoya wrote: > Hello, > > I need help with a new k12LTSP 5 EL server install. > > I would like to update the existing 4.2 installed and running version of fl_teachertool. > I want to use the newest version of teachertool - v0.62 > > The install documents are a little confusing. > Okay I will walk you through it. yum install fltk fltk-devel yum install libXpm-devel libpng-devel libjpeg-devel yum install libXmu-devel libXaw-devel imake yum install xscreensaver-base yum install vncreflector download: wget http://downloads.sourceforge.net/vnc-tight/tightvnc-1.3.9_unixsrc.tar.bz2 tar -xvjf tightvnc-1.3.9_unixsrc.tar.bz2 cd to the tightvnc dir and type xmkmf make World cp vncviewer binary to /usr/bin but rename it to teachertool-vncviewer cp vncpasswd binary to /usr/bin but rename it to teachertool-vncpasswd download: wget http://downloads.sourceforge.net/vncsnapshot/vncsnapshot-1.2a-src.tar.gz tar -xvzf vncsnapshot-1.2a-src.tar.gz cd to the dir then type make cp vncsnapshot /usr/bin download: wget http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/fl_teachertool-0.62-src.tar.gz tar -xvzf fl_teachertool-0.62-src.tar.gz cd to the dir then type make make install The rest is exactly copied from my site: (understand that there is a certain amount of risk to enabling control/monitor) If you decide to enable this do not enable shell or telnet in lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf that is, keep these commented out #SCREEN_02 = shell #SCREEN_03 = telnet and also don't allow students to bring in laptops (with linux) There is a risk that the monitor/control password can be stolen. ========================================== Next follow the old steps to enable monitor/control in k12ltsp http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/installationk12ltsp.html#monitor (Note: Oct 27, 2008 The procedure in the above link produces a security issue and is no longer recommended. This means Control/Monitor/Snapshots will not work. See link for further details.) Almost finished... Next (as root of course) mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/teacher chmod 700 /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/teacher Now create a new file vim /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/teacher/vncreflectorpass inside this file you should type two passwords like this fullcontrolpassword viewonlypassword You make up your own passwords. They should be in plain text. Then chmod 600 /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/teacher/vncreflectorpass Now you need to create the encrypted versions of these plain text passwords Again as root issue the command: teachertool-vncpasswd /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/teacher/teacherpass Now only type in *one* password. The one you typed in the first line of vncreflectorpass (eg fullcontrolpassword) Now chmod 600 /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/teacher/teacherpass Next teachertool-vncpasswd /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/clientpass Note: the dir is *not* the same as teacherpass Again only type in *one* password. The one you typed in the second line of vncreflectorpass (eg viewonlypassword) Now chmod 644 /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/clientpass Last thing: Make your broadcast windows bigger than 800x600 I prefer 1024x768 broadcast windows vim /etc/xinetd.d/vncts change 16bit 800x600 to 1024x768 #service xinetd restart That's it. Don't forget to configure /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/fl_teachertool.conf if you have multiple rooms (or wish to divide classrooms into sections) If you are not sure how to configure it read the docs here http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/documentation.html Specifically the last 2 sections. Enjoy!!!!!!!!! > Any guidance will be appreciated, > > thanks, > -john > > -- > This message was scanned by KCSOS and is believed to be clean. > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Nov 13 19:21:59 2008 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:21:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone confirm these work on their K12LTSP systems? In-Reply-To: <491C15E7.5010802@gmail.com> References: <491A4A41.9040208@paasda.org> <491C15E7.5010802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <491C7E57.2030107@paasda.org> John Lucas wrote: > Huck wrote: >> http://phet.colorado.edu/simulations/index.php >> >> I've tried on mine and have fallen short of the goal (them actually >> working)... >> >> I'm quite unfamiliar with 'java apps' other than the games I'm >> continually blocking on the Windows side of things... >> >> Our physics teacher asked it they'd work on the thin clients... I >> thought, Sure! Why not? but was proven wrong when I attempted to run >> them. >> >> Perhaps I'm going about it incorrectly... >> >> 1st it tries to open them with 'bluefish'(an editor if I'm not >> mistaken)... >> so I tried running them with /usr/bin/java that didn't work either. >> >> no error...it just opened with bluefish anyway... >> >> Any thoughts/advice appreciated! >> >> --Huck >> > > Just tried it on a K12LTSP5-EL (CentOS 5 with LTSP 4.2) server and it > works just fine. That server has Firefox 3 and Sun JDK 1.6.04 installed > (latest is 1.6.10 I think). You have to make sure that the Java plugin > is present (usually by symbolic link) in the Firefox plugins directory. > ahh that may have been what I was missing..will try again today I hope and see if I can get it working for the physics class! thanks, --Huck From burke at thealmquists.net Thu Nov 13 23:37:54 2008 From: burke at thealmquists.net (Almquist Burke) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:37:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows - SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <491AD4AD.10208@biochemfluidics.com> References: <1226415784.19263.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4919DFF9.3020105@biochemfluidics.com> <491AC82A.3090003@biochemfluidics.com> <491AD4AD.10208@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think that's because you are changing permissions on the file share, and not on the files/folders themselves if you do it the first way. On NT based systems, even if you are using file sharing, you have to have permission to use the files. On Nov 12, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > > Does anybody know why this alternate process is needed, and why you > can't change directory permissions using the same method as changing > file permissions? Is it fixed in later versions of Samba? > > -Rob > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkkculIACgkQxWV7OPa/g5EjcgCfSIohAG9a9ygbNXa8KsBPWZJS MMMAmwb+VEkoqtX/eETxztuLBYYvTsHb =Mr63 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jomontoya at kern.org Fri Nov 14 00:41:15 2008 From: jomontoya at kern.org (John Montoya) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:41:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: teachertool upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <491B4CEE02000008000B9FF3@technetium.servers.kern.org> Message-ID: <491C5887.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> Robert- Thank you very much for the details. But ran into an issue: yum install fltk fltk-devel - [ worked ok ] yum install libXpm-devel libpng-devel libjpeg-devel - [ worked ok ] yum install libXmu-devel libXaw-devel imake - [ worked ok ] yum install xscreensaver-base - [ worked ok ] yum install vncreflector - [ worked ok ] download: wget http://downloads.sourceforge.net/vnc-tight/tightvnc-1.3.9_unixsrc.tar.bz2 - [ worked ok ] tar -xvjf tightvnc-1.3.9_unixsrc.tar.bz2 - [ worked ok ] cd to the tightvnc dir and type xmkmf - [PROBLEM ] My server did not have " xmkmf " - command not found. Did a little searching and found a post to " yum install imake " Did that and was then able to run the ' xmkmf ' command. Then tried the " make World " - and got a whole SLEW of errors.... that ended with: argsresources.c:353: error: ?appDataResourceList? undeclared (first use in this function) argsresources.c:359: error: ?appContext? undeclared (first use in this function) argsresources.c:359: error: ?actions? undeclared (first use in this function) argsresources.c:366: error: ?listenSpecified? undeclared (first use in this function) argsresources.c:377: error: ?AppData? has no member named ?passwordDialog? argsresources.c:377: error: ?True? undeclared (first use in this function) argsresources.c:384: error: ?AppData? has no member named ?passwordDialog? make[2]: *** [argsresources.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/work/vnc_unixsrc/vncviewer' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/work/vnc_unixsrc' make: *** [World] Error 2 So not sure what happened or went wrong.... but that's as far as I got with the instructions. thanks, john- I have the complete list of errors if needed, was not sure an attachment would work. >>> "Robert Arkiletian" 11/13/2008 11:17 AM >>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:38 PM, John Montoya wrote: > Hello, > > I need help with a new k12LTSP 5 EL server install. > > I would like to update the existing 4.2 installed and running version of fl_teachertool. > I want to use the newest version of teachertool - v0.62 > > The install documents are a little confusing. > Okay I will walk you through it. yum install fltk fltk-devel yum install libXpm-devel libpng-devel libjpeg-devel yum install libXmu-devel libXaw-devel imake yum install xscreensaver-base yum install vncreflector download: wget http://downloads.sourceforge.net/vnc-tight/tightvnc-1.3.9_unixsrc.tar.bz2 tar -xvjf tightvnc-1.3.9_unixsrc.tar.bz2 cd to the tightvnc dir and type xmkmf make World cp vncviewer binary to /usr/bin but rename it to teachertool-vncviewer cp vncpasswd binary to /usr/bin but rename it to teachertool-vncpasswd download: wget http://downloads.sourceforge.net/vncsnapshot/vncsnapshot-1.2a-src.tar.gz tar -xvzf vncsnapshot-1.2a-src.tar.gz cd to the dir then type make cp vncsnapshot /usr/bin download: wget http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/fl_teachertool-0.62-src.tar.gz tar -xvzf fl_teachertool-0.62-src.tar.gz cd to the dir then type make make install The rest is exactly copied from my site: (understand that there is a certain amount of risk to enabling control/monitor) If you decide to enable this do not enable shell or telnet in lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf that is, keep these commented out #SCREEN_02 = shell #SCREEN_03 = telnet and also don't allow students to bring in laptops (with linux) There is a risk that the monitor/control password can be stolen. ========================================== Next follow the old steps to enable monitor/control in k12ltsp http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/installationk12ltsp.html#monitor (Note: Oct 27, 2008 The procedure in the above link produces a security issue and is no longer recommended. This means Control/Monitor/Snapshots will not work. See link for further details.) Almost finished... Next (as root of course) mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/teacher chmod 700 /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/teacher Now create a new file vim /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/teacher/vncreflectorpass inside this file you should type two passwords like this fullcontrolpassword viewonlypassword You make up your own passwords. They should be in plain text. Then chmod 600 /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/teacher/vncreflectorpass Now you need to create the encrypted versions of these plain text passwords Again as root issue the command: teachertool-vncpasswd /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/teacher/teacherpass Now only type in *one* password. The one you typed in the first line of vncreflectorpass (eg fullcontrolpassword) Now chmod 600 /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/teacher/teacherpass Next teachertool-vncpasswd /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/clientpass Note: the dir is *not* the same as teacherpass Again only type in *one* password. The one you typed in the second line of vncreflectorpass (eg viewonlypassword) Now chmod 644 /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/clientpass Last thing: Make your broadcast windows bigger than 800x600 I prefer 1024x768 broadcast windows vim /etc/xinetd.d/vncts change 16bit 800x600 to 1024x768 #service xinetd restart That's it. Don't forget to configure /usr/local/etc/fl_teachertool/fl_teachertool.conf if you have multiple rooms (or wish to divide classrooms into sections) If you are not sure how to configure it read the docs here http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/documentation.html Specifically the last 2 sections. Enjoy!!!!!!!!! > Any guidance will be appreciated, > > thanks, > -john > > -- > This message was scanned by KCSOS and is believed to be clean. > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -- This message was scanned by KCSOS and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://smtp.kern.org/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=F334D107E5.C2A2A Click here to report this message as GOOD email. http://smtp.kern.org/cgi-bin/learn-good.cgi?id=F334D107E5.C2A2A -- This message was scanned by KCSOS and is believed to be clean. From robark at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 03:23:28 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:23:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: teachertool upgrade In-Reply-To: <491C5887.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> References: <491B4CEE02000008000B9FF3@technetium.servers.kern.org> <491C5887.C4A6.0008.0@kern.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 4:41 PM, John Montoya wrote: > Robert- > > Thank you very much for the details. > > But ran into an issue: > > yum install fltk fltk-devel - [ worked ok ] > yum install libXpm-devel libpng-devel libjpeg-devel - [ worked ok > ] > yum install libXmu-devel libXaw-devel imake - [ worked ok ] > yum install xscreensaver-base - [ worked ok ] > yum install vncreflector - [ worked ok ] > download: wget > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/vnc-tight/tightvnc-1.3.9_unixsrc.tar.bz2 > - [ worked ok ] > tar -xvjf tightvnc-1.3.9_unixsrc.tar.bz2 - [ worked ok ] > > cd to the tightvnc dir and type xmkmf - [PROBLEM ] > > My server did not have " xmkmf " - command not found. Did a little > searching and found a post to " yum install imake " > Did that and was then able to run the ' xmkmf ' command. > > Then tried the " make World " - and got a whole SLEW of errors.... > > that ended with: > argsresources.c:353: error: ?appDataResourceList? undeclared (first use > in this function) > Not sure what the missing dependency is so I am just going to send you the two tightvnc binaries from my k12ltsp5EL installation. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Fri Nov 14 12:20:11 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:20:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows - SOLVED! In-Reply-To: References: <1226415784.19263.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4919DFF9.3020105@biochemfluidics.com> <491AC82A.3090003@biochemfluidics.com> <491AD4AD.10208@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <491D6CFB.2050607@biochemfluidics.com> I was right-clicking on a folder within the share. Are you saying that attempts to change permissions on the whole share and not just that folder? If so, that would explain my problem (because my user wouldn't have permission to change the whole share). But it doesn't seem intuitive. -Rob Almquist Burke wrote: > I think that's because you are changing permissions on the file share, > and not on the files/folders themselves if you do it the first way. On > NT based systems, even if you are using file sharing, you have to have > permission to use the files. > > On Nov 12, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > >> Does anybody know why this alternate process is needed, and why you >> can't change directory permissions using the same method as changing >> file permissions? Is it fixed in later versions of Samba? > >> -Rob > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Nov 14 13:40:58 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:40:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: teachertool upgrade Message-ID: <49629.216.24.126.66.1226670058.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Robert, I am getting errors when trying to simply do a make after untarring the fl_teachertool-0.62.src.tar.gz. Followed the instructions per your website & here. Error(s)-(partial): fl_teachertool.cxx:937: error: ?False? was not declared in this scope fl_teachertool.cxx:938: error: ?class ThumbButton? has no member named ?color? fl_teachertool.cxx:938: error: ?FL_BACKGROUND_COLOR? was not declared in this scope fl_teachertool.cxx: At global scope: fl_teachertool.cxx:947: error: variable or field ?snapwin_callback? declared void fl_teachertool.cxx:947: error: ?int SnapshotWindow::snapwin_callback? is not a static member of ?class SnapshotWindow? fl_teachertool.cxx:947: error: ?Fl_Widget? was not declared in this scope fl_teachertool.cxx:947: error: expected primary-expression before ?,? token fl_teachertool.cxx:947: error: expected primary-expression before ?void? fl_teachertool.cxx:947: error: initializer expression list treated as compound expression fl_teachertool.cxx:947: error: expected ?,? or ?;? before ?{? token fl_teachertool.cxx: In member function ?void SnapshotWindow::snapwin_callback_i()?: fl_teachertool.cxx:956: error: ?Fl? has not been declared fl_teachertool.cxx:956: error: ?FL_SHORTCUT? was not declared in this scope fl_teachertool.cxx:956: error: ?Fl? has not been declared fl_teachertool.cxx:956: error: ?FL_Escape? was not declared in this scope fl_teachertool.cxx:960: error: ?False? was not declared in this scope fl_teachertool.cxx:961: error: ?class NameWindow? has no member named ?nameoutP? fl_teachertool.cxx:962: error: ?class ThumbButton? has no member named ?color? fl_teachertool.cxx:962: error: ?FL_BACKGROUND_COLOR? was not declared in this scope fl_teachertool.cxx:963: error: ?redraw? was not declared in this scope fl_teachertool.cxx:968: error: ?hide? was not declared in this scope fl_teachertool.cxx:969: error: ?class NameWindow? has no member named ?nameinP? fl_teachertool.cxx: In member function ?void SnapshotWindow::repopulate()?: fl_teachertool.cxx:979: error: request for member ?size? in ?((SnapshotWindow*)this)->SnapshotWindow::thumbnail?, which is of non-class type ?int? fl_teachertool.cxx:991: error: request for member ?size? in ?((SnapshotWindow*)this)->SnapshotWindow::thumbnail?, which is of non-class type ?int? fl_teachertool.cxx:994: error: ?class ThumbButton? has no member named ?image? fl_teachertool.cxx:995: error: invalid types ?int[unsigned int]? for array subscript fl_teachertool.cxx:996: error: invalid types ?int[unsigned int]? for array subscript fl_teachertool.cxx:1007: error: ?scroll? was not declared in this scope fl_teachertool.cxx:1014: error: ?class MyReturnButton? has no member named ?do_callback? fl_teachertool.cxx:1021: error: request for member ?resize? in ?((SnapshotWindow*)this)->SnapshotWindow::thumbnail?, which is of non-class type ?int? fl_teachertool.cxx:1024: error: ?class NameWindow? has no member named ?nameinP? Ideas? Take Care, Barry Cisna From robark at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 17:06:54 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:06:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: teachertool upgrade In-Reply-To: <49629.216.24.126.66.1226670058.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <49629.216.24.126.66.1226670058.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hi Robert, > > I am getting errors when trying to simply do a make after untarring the > fl_teachertool-0.62.src.tar.gz. > Followed the instructions per your website & here. > > Error(s)-(partial): > > fl_teachertool.cxx:937: error: 'False' was not declared in this scope > fl_teachertool.cxx:938: error: 'class ThumbButton' has no member named > 'color' are you sure you installed fltk-devel ? try yum install fltk-devel -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 18:25:08 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:25:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] diskless client labs are supercomputers Message-ID: Schools which use diskless clients can utilize distcc http://code.google.com/p/distcc/ to turn their school or lab into a supercomputer for C or C++ compilation purposes. What a neat project that would be to implement. Imagine compiling the Linux kernel in under 1 minute. Imagine a senior high school programming class having access to a compiler farm. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From bfristen at shaw.ca Sat Nov 15 02:36:18 2008 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:36:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] You can't have LTSP and network too Message-ID: <491E35A2.3090001@shaw.ca> The old adage goes "You can't have your cake and eat it too." I was happy, and a bit relieved, to finally get LTSP5 to work, but now I can't use the Internet eg. Firefox can't find anything at any URL. Even simple things like trying to ping a remote host, or even one on my home network (eg. 192.168.x.x), gives a "network unreachable" message. Server: laptop running Fedora9 and LTSP5 Terminal: Diskless Workstations 1420 PXE ltspbr0 is associated with my wired ethernet port eth0 There is also a wireless ethernet port eth1. These interfaces worked before I activated the ltspbr0: /usr/sbin/brctl addif ltspbr0 eth0 As soon as I typed this command, I was able to boot the terminal, but after that, no internet connection. The ping error messages, by the way, show that ping is trying to use eth0. eth0, eth1 and ltspbr0 all show as Active in the Network tool. While we're at it, my ultimate plan is to be running LTSP5 on a desktop machine that has only a single hard wired ethernet card. (I have a feeling these two questions are related.) I would like to encourage whoever was planning on writing the "AdvancedNetworkSetup" page on the FedoraK12 wiki to make that a priority. Many thanks in advance. Brian From burke at thealmquists.net Sat Nov 15 03:35:44 2008 From: burke at thealmquists.net (Almquist Burke) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:35:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows - SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <491D6CFB.2050607@biochemfluidics.com> References: <1226415784.19263.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4919DFF9.3020105@biochemfluidics.com> <491AC82A.3090003@biochemfluidics.com> <491AD4AD.10208@biochemfluidics.com> <491D6CFB.2050607@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <5E939F47-62CA-40DE-906F-1887EBC42208@thealmquists.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 14, 2008, at 6:20 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > I was right-clicking on a folder within the share. Are you saying > that > attempts to change permissions on the whole share and not just that > folder? If so, that would explain my problem (because my user > wouldn't > have permission to change the whole share). But it doesn't seem > intuitive. > > -Rob > I don't have a windows box sitting here to test with at home so I'm not sure if that is the case. I just remember that the last time I gave myself headaches setting up a PDC using samba, that you had permissions/users that were set by samba AND users/permissions that pertained to the files/folders on the filesystem themselves. They have to work in tandem and getting the setup correct is tricky sometimes. The [Printers] and [Homes] sections have pretty bullet proof defaults for what they do, but setting up custom shares means you have to get your permissions and users/groups just right for both the filesystem and samba. Are you using the stick bit? groups? What do you want the share to do? If we know exactly what access you want to give, we might be able to help better. ... or it might just be buggy, or that first permissions screen really DOES apply to the shares and not the files/folders. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkkeQ5AACgkQxWV7OPa/g5FRXgCeIdTXnsXya1yM2zCPp4Fhkn0g 1awAn3RbWi/U4M87gpO9Z+66TlbXftDt =pHbD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sat Nov 15 03:19:03 2008 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:19:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] diskless client labs are supercomputers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1226719143.25611.7.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> I was envisioning a rework of the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ad. "Hello. I'm A Mac" " I'm a PC" room fills with little kids... "Hello! We're a Linux thin client super computing cluster!" - mac just open his mouth and closes it with out saying anything - PC stammers and falls over. mob of kid/TCs move around the room seemingly randomly but periodically, they form letters to spell L I N U X ---------------- Actually, it should be possible to load in distributed tools like seti at home and world community grid onto the client image so they can chug useful stuff during lull times. On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:25 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Schools which use diskless clients can utilize distcc > > http://code.google.com/p/distcc/ > > to turn their school or lab into a supercomputer for C or C++ compilation > purposes. What a neat project that would be to implement. Imagine > compiling the Linux kernel in under 1 minute. Imagine a senior high > school programming class having access to a compiler farm. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- James P. Kinney III CEO & Director of Engineering Local Net Solutions,LLC http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From accessys at smart.net Sat Nov 15 18:14:36 2008 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:14:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] diskless client labs are supercomputers In-Reply-To: <1226719143.25611.7.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1226719143.25611.7.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: nice ad, who pays for it..... PC on that commercial shows the problem, piles and piles of money for marketing.... Linux is free, no piles and piles of money for marketing. Good news/bad news Bob On Fri, 14 Nov 2008, James P. Kinney III wrote: > I was envisioning a rework of the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ad. > > "Hello. I'm A Mac" > " I'm a PC" > > room fills with little kids... > > "Hello! We're a Linux thin client super computing cluster!" > > - mac just open his mouth and closes it with out saying anything > - PC stammers and falls over. > > mob of kid/TCs move around the room seemingly randomly but periodically, > they form letters to spell L I N U X > > ---------------- > > Actually, it should be possible to load in distributed tools like seti > at home and world community grid onto the client image so they can chug > useful stuff during lull times. > > On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:25 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Schools which use diskless clients can utilize distcc > > > > http://code.google.com/p/distcc/ > > > > to turn their school or lab into a supercomputer for C or C++ compilation > > purposes. What a neat project that would be to implement. Imagine > > compiling the Linux kernel in under 1 minute. Imagine a senior high > > school programming class having access to a compiler farm. > > > > -- > > Robert Arkiletian > > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > -- > James P. Kinney III > CEO & Director of Engineering > Local Net Solutions,LLC > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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Access Systems, engineers .NO attachments in e-mail, .*LINUX powered*. access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Nov 15 20:04:40 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:04:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] You can't have LTSP and network too Message-ID: <1226779480.15557.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Brian, Sounds like you have multiple problems there. I would guess if you remove the bridge you created on your eth0, that prob will be out of the picture. I would assume you have not be able to get both booting TC's and internet at the same time? If this is the case, do an: service iptables stop then,,, switch your two cat5 cables on the back of your server ,,then on the server do an; tail -f /var/log/messages boot one of your TC's and see what you get in your log. hopefully you'll see your TC come to life and be able to hit the internet! Do you have your eth1 set to a static ip? Or are you plugged into an dsl modem/router possible dishing dhcp to your server( on eth1)? Take Care, Barry Cisna From sbarar at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 00:21:44 2008 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:51:44 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] You can't have LTSP and network too In-Reply-To: <491E35A2.3090001@shaw.ca> References: <491E35A2.3090001@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <774593a20811151621j65e0d4efn77d760e66946cd06@mail.gmail.com> 2008/11/15 Brian Fristensky : > things like trying to ping a remote > host, or even one on my home network (eg. 192.168.x.x), gives a "network > unreachable" message. > > Server: laptop running Fedora9 and LTSP5 > Terminal: Diskless Workstations 1420 PXE > > ltspbr0 is associated with my wired ethernet port eth0 > There is also a wireless ethernet port eth1. > These interfaces worked before I activated the ltspbr0: > > /usr/sbin/brctl addif ltspbr0 eth0 > Please post out put of ifconfig route -n -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. In case you are already doing this ..... great, spread the message. From bfristen at shaw.ca Sun Nov 16 18:37:17 2008 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:37:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm ... Message-ID: <4920685D.6060206@shaw.ca> I upgraded LTSP5 using yum yesterday, and now my thin client won't boot. The boot process proceeds to the message Adding udev persistent rules and then the following message appears: SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm Please change to another screen After this message appears, I can't change screens with ctrl-alt-F1 - ctrl-alt-F12. No further messages appear, and the thin client hangs. I can get it to start a reboot with ctrl-alt-del, but it seems to get frozen and will not even finish halting the system. My /etc/lts.conf file is empty, as is the lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc, so no screens are being set up there. It seems likely that something was changed in the recent update that causes this error. Server: laptop running Fedora9 and LTSP5 Terminal: Diskless Workstations 1420 PXE -- ============================================ Brian Fristensky 971 Somerville Avenue Winnipeg MB R3T 1B4 CANADA bfristen at shaw.ca 204-261-3960 ============================================ From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Nov 17 00:02:49 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:02:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm ... Message-ID: <1226880169.17770.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Brian, Do you have another thin client you can test with by chance? If this client did work at one,time, I'd say you better reinstall FC# LTSP,,and don't do any updating to your server at least till you get stuff ironed out initially. One thing, You should not even have an lts.conf file at /etc . If you do,,Seems your update went south somehow:( So that being said, if you don't just reinstall you are going to be chasing multiple problems to no end I'm afraid. Let us now how it goes. Take Care, Barry Cisna From bfristen at shaw.ca Mon Nov 17 02:44:47 2008 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:44:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm ... In-Reply-To: <1226880169.17770.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1226880169.17770.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4920DA9F.7040701@shaw.ca> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Brian, > > Do you have another thin client you can test with by chance? Nope. Why should a different TC behave any differently? The whole point of LTSP is that everything is downloaded from the server. Of course that means that bugs are also downloaded, but the problem is almost certainly at the server end. >If this > client did work at one,time, I'd say you better reinstall FC# LTSP,,and > don't do any updating to your server at least till you get stuff ironed > out initially. Surely you're joking! If I reinstalled the operating system every time something didn't work I'd be doing nothing else but reinstalling the operating system. I did a fresh install of Fedora9 specifically so that I could use LTSP5, and everything I've installed has been done using yum. I have followed the LTSP install instructions step by step and in fact did have LTSP working two days ago. The whole idea of these forums is to work the problem. If I did a textbook install and got this problem, then others will too. This is how we find bugs in releases and get them fixed. >One thing, You should not even have an lts.conf file > at /etc . That has always been there. I have installed LTSP5 twice on a fresh Fedora9 install and there has always been an empty /etc/lts.conf file. >If you do,,Seems your update went south somehow:( > So that being said, if you don't just reinstall you are going to be > chasing multiple problems to no end I'm afraid. > Let us now how it goes. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Brian Fristensky From peter at scheie.homedns.org Mon Nov 17 03:25:51 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:25:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm ... In-Reply-To: <4920DA9F.7040701@shaw.ca> References: <1226880169.17770.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4920DA9F.7040701@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <4920E43F.3080904@scheie.homedns.org> Brian Fristensky wrote: > Barry R Cisna wrote: >> One thing, You should not even have an lts.conf file >> at /etc . > > That has always been there. I have installed LTSP5 twice on a fresh > Fedora9 install and there has always been an empty /etc/lts.conf file. > In LTSP 5, by default, the lts.conf file is empty, so that is not unusual. Any more it exists to handle the exceptions. I suggest jumping on #ltsp on freenode IRC and asking the folks there about your particular situation. Peter From Patrick.Healy at dsusd.us Mon Nov 17 04:26:52 2008 From: Patrick.Healy at dsusd.us (Healy, Patrick) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:26:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm ... Message-ID: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B750DE0D06B@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> Brian Fristensky wrote: and then the following message appears: SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm Please change to another screen Hi Brian, I updated my FC9 k12linux install last week and got the exact same problem on any rebooted client. The fix for me was to edit lts.conf and just comment out the line for screen 01 in /var/lib/tftpboot/i386/etc/lts.conf which was set to ldm. Suprisingly, only rebooted terminals got this message, the ones that were left on through the update were still ok. All was well after that. Please forgive any typo on the file location, as I'm at home now without the server in front of me -- but note that the file you need to change is in /var not /etc or /opt. Good Luck. Pat Healy Palm Desert High School From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Nov 17 11:38:24 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:38:24 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Copying the look & feel of a EeePC on k12LTSP Message-ID: <492157B0.7070108@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> We are currently running a couple of labs on k12LTSP 5EL & staff are slowly getting used to it. One thing that a couple of people have asked /said is that there is so much software they get confused where to look !!! and if it's possible to copy the tab'd frontend that you get on the EeePC's or Acer Aspire One's so simplify the layout. Does anyone know if this is possible & if so any pointers . Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Mon Nov 17 13:40:08 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:40:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm ... In-Reply-To: <4920685D.6060206@shaw.ca> References: <4920685D.6060206@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <49217438.5020705@biochemfluidics.com> Brian Fristensky wrote: > > > I upgraded LTSP5 using yum yesterday, and now my thin client won't boot. > > The boot process proceeds to the message > > Adding udev persistent rules > > and then the following message appears: > > SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm Please change to another screen > On the Debian-based LTSP 5 systems I've used, ldm must be on SCREEN_07 or higher. Maybe the same for Fedora? > > After this message appears, I can't change screens with ctrl-alt-F1 - > ctrl-alt-F12. > > No further messages appear, and the thin client hangs. I can get it > to start a reboot with ctrl-alt-del, but it seems to get frozen and > will not even finish halting the system. > > My /etc/lts.conf file is empty, as is the lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc, > so no screens are being set up there. It seems likely that something > was changed in the recent update that causes this error. > On Ubuntu LTSP 5, lts.conf goes in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386. There was a discussion about a month back on the ltsp-user list as to why it wouldn't work if it was /etc/lts.conf -- basically it is not available to the thin client filesystem. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Mon Nov 17 13:30:56 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:30:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Copying the look & feel of a EeePC on k12LTSP In-Reply-To: <492157B0.7070108@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <492157B0.7070108@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <49217210.3040108@biochemfluidics.com> I know that the Acer Aspire One uses XFCE. You could install that on K12LTSP and change all the defaults to the same as the Aspire One. See #6 on this page for some hints: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/09/05/ten_aspire_one_tips/page3.html -Rob Brian Chivers wrote: > We are currently running a couple of labs on k12LTSP 5EL & staff are > slowly getting used to it. > > One thing that a couple of people have asked /said is that there is so > much software they get confused where to look !!! and if it's possible > to copy the tab'd frontend that you get on the EeePC's or Acer Aspire > One's so simplify the layout. > > Does anyone know if this is possible & if so any pointers . > > Thanks > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Mon Nov 17 13:42:20 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:42:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows - SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <5E939F47-62CA-40DE-906F-1887EBC42208@thealmquists.net> References: <1226415784.19263.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4919DFF9.3020105@biochemfluidics.com> <491AC82A.3090003@biochemfluidics.com> <491AD4AD.10208@biochemfluidics.com> <491D6CFB.2050607@biochemfluidics.com> <5E939F47-62CA-40DE-906F-1887EBC42208@thealmquists.net> Message-ID: <492174BC.7070403@biochemfluidics.com> Almquist Burke wrote: > > On Nov 14, 2008, at 6:20 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > >> I was right-clicking on a folder within the share. Are you saying that >> attempts to change permissions on the whole share and not just that >> folder? If so, that would explain my problem (because my user wouldn't >> have permission to change the whole share). But it doesn't seem >> intuitive. > >> -Rob > > > I don't have a windows box sitting here to test with at home so I'm not > sure if that is the case. I just remember that the last time I gave > myself headaches setting up a PDC using samba, that you had > permissions/users that were set by samba AND users/permissions that > pertained to the files/folders on the filesystem themselves. They have > to work in tandem and getting the setup correct is tricky sometimes. The > [Printers] and [Homes] sections have pretty bullet proof defaults for > what they do, but setting up custom shares means you have to get your > permissions and users/groups just right for both the filesystem and > samba. Are you using the stick bit? groups? What do you want the share > to do? If we know exactly what access you want to give, we might be able > to help better. ... or it might just be buggy, or that first permissions > screen really DOES apply to the shares and not the files/folders. I'm really just trying to provide an open share that anybody can create a file/folder in, while enabling users to change permissions on the files/folders that they create. It seems to be working now, but it seemed odd to me that I couldn't use the first permissions screen to do it (well, it worked for files, but not folders). Thanks for your help. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From HBurroughs at hhprep.org Mon Nov 17 14:07:55 2008 From: HBurroughs at hhprep.org (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:07:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows - In-Reply-To: <20081115170036.040B961A655@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081115170036.040B961A655@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3437EBC2F7B463439E7CD8796349DCF244D69F@enterprise.hhp.hhprep.org> Sorry about bad reply form, I reply from the digest. Are you using ACLS under linux? getfacl/setfacl..... Under samba and those shares, do you have: Inherit permissions = yes Inherit acls = yes Map acl inherit = yes The whole change permission thing is still funky, however you can start to add other users to a file as well as some of the rwx abilities from the windows end. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:35:44 -0600 From: Almquist Burke Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows - SOLVED! To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: <5E939F47-62CA-40DE-906F-1887EBC42208 at thealmquists.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 14, 2008, at 6:20 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > I was right-clicking on a folder within the share. Are you saying > that > attempts to change permissions on the whole share and not just that > folder? If so, that would explain my problem (because my user > wouldn't > have permission to change the whole share). But it doesn't seem > intuitive. > > -Rob > I don't have a windows box sitting here to test with at home so I'm not sure if that is the case. I just remember that the last time I gave myself headaches setting up a PDC using samba, that you had permissions/users that were set by samba AND users/permissions that pertained to the files/folders on the filesystem themselves. They have to work in tandem and getting the setup correct is tricky sometimes. The [Printers] and [Homes] sections have pretty bullet proof defaults for what they do, but setting up custom shares means you have to get your permissions and users/groups just right for both the filesystem and samba. Are you using the stick bit? groups? What do you want the share to do? If we know exactly what access you want to give, we might be able to help better. ... or it might just be buggy, or that first permissions screen really DOES apply to the shares and not the files/folders. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkkeQ5AACgkQxWV7OPa/g5FRXgCeIdTXnsXya1yM2zCPp4Fhkn0g 1awAn3RbWi/U4M87gpO9Z+66TlbXftDt =pHbD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 ************************************** From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Mon Nov 17 14:42:48 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:42:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows - In-Reply-To: <3437EBC2F7B463439E7CD8796349DCF244D69F@enterprise.hhp.hhprep.org> References: <20081115170036.040B961A655@hormel.redhat.com> <3437EBC2F7B463439E7CD8796349DCF244D69F@enterprise.hhp.hhprep.org> Message-ID: <492182E8.8010108@biochemfluidics.com> Burroughs, Henry wrote: > Sorry about bad reply form, I reply from the digest. > > Are you using ACLS under linux? getfacl/setfacl..... > No. > Under samba and those shares, do you have: > > Inherit permissions = yes > Inherit acls = yes > Map acl inherit = yes > I have none of these. I should mention that this company currently doesn't use permissions -- everything's wide open. So I don't need to get too fancy with the ACLs. I'd be happy to just use basic Unix file permissions and be able to change them through Windows. I think I'm achieving that now, but I haven't done much testing yet. Do you think I should be looking into ACLs? If they're truly useful then maybe I'll look into it. I don't feel like I need them, but maybe that's just because I've never used them. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From bfristen at shaw.ca Mon Nov 17 15:08:28 2008 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:08:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm ... In-Reply-To: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B750DE0D06B@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B750DE0D06B@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <492188EC.5090003@shaw.ca> Healy, Patrick wrote: > Brian Fristensky wrote: > and then the following message appears: > SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm Please change to another screen > > Hi Brian, > I updated my FC9 k12linux install last week and got the exact same problem on any rebooted client. The fix for me was to edit lts.conf and just comment out the line for screen 01 in > /var/lib/tftpboot/i386/etc/lts.conf which was set to ldm. Suprisingly, only rebooted terminals got this message, the ones that were left on through the update were still ok. All was well after that. Please forgive any typo on the file location, as I'm at home now without the server in front of me -- but note that the file you need to change is in /var not /etc or /opt. Good Luck. > > Pat Healy > Palm Desert High School > Pat, Thanks, that did the trick. Just to document the correct path, the file is /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf I commented out the line that said SCREEN_01=ldm This time, the thin client rebooted properly. It is worth noting that the above line was the only SCREEN statement that was uncommented in the file. I don't know of any Linux distros that don't use screens 1 - 6 as command line and screen 7 as the default X11 screen. This is therefore probably a bug, rather than a feature. -- ============================================ Brian Fristensky 971 Somerville Avenue Winnipeg MB R3T 1B4 CANADA bfristen at shaw.ca 204-261-3960 ============================================ From nils at breun.nl Mon Nov 17 15:15:18 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:15:18 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm ... In-Reply-To: <492188EC.5090003@shaw.ca> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B750DE0D06B@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <492188EC.5090003@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <02BBF6A0-5259-4787-8208-716D6FC037DF@breun.nl> Brian Fristensky wrote: > I don't know of any Linux distros that don't use > screens 1 - 6 as command line and screen 7 as the default X11 screen. > This is therefore probably a bug, rather than a feature. This might be interesting: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue150#Moving_X_from_VT7_to_VT1 Nils Breunese. From william at fragakis.com Mon Nov 17 18:04:11 2008 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:04:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN] SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm In-Reply-To: <20081117170030.F2721619721@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081117170030.F2721619721@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1226945051.7530.6.camel@server.ltsp> Hi, you need the lts.conf so the client knows where to start graphic sessions by running ldm (or even startx) or to start a terminal. You are getting the same screen that a default session with proper lts.conf would get on ctrl+alt+f1 lts.conf is now located in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ If you don't have one, here's enough to get you started: [default] #X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 LOCALDEV=True SOUND=True NBD_SWAP=True SYSLOG_HOST=server #XKBLAYOUT=us LDM_NUMLOCK=true SCREEN_02=shell #SCREEN_03=shell #SCREEN_04=shell #SCREEN_05=shell #SCREEN_06=shell SCREEN_07=ldm #VOLUME=100 #HEADPHONE_VOLUME=90 #PCM_VOLUME=90 #CD_VOLUME=90 #FRONT_VOLUME=90 # LDM_DIRECTX=yes allows greater scalability and performance # Turn this off if you want greater security instead. LDM_DIRECTX=yes # LDM_DEBUG=yes writes to /var/log/ldm.log during client runtime LDM_DEBUG=yes On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 12:00 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:37:17 -0600 > From: Brian Fristensky > Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm ... > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <4920685D.6060206 at shaw.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I upgraded LTSP5 using yum yesterday, and now my thin client won't > boot. > > The boot process proceeds to the meIfssage > > Adding udev persistent rules > > and then the following message appears: > > SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm Please change to another screen > > > After this message appears, I can't change screens with ctrl-alt-F1 - > ctrl-alt-F12. > > No further messages appear, and the thin client hangs. I can get it > to start a reboot with ctrl-alt-del, but it seems to get frozen and > will not even finish halting the system. > > My /etc/lts.conf file is empty, as is the lts.conf > in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc, > so no screens are being set up there. It seems likely that something > was changed in the recent update that causes this error. > > Server: laptop running Fedora9 and LTSP5 > Terminal: Diskless Workstations 1420 PXE > > > From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Mon Nov 17 18:08:45 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:08:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN] SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm In-Reply-To: <1226945051.7530.6.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20081117170030.F2721619721@hormel.redhat.com> <1226945051.7530.6.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4921B32D.3090205@biochemfluidics.com> William Fragakis wrote: > Hi, > you need the lts.conf so the client knows where to start graphic > sessions by running ldm (or even startx) or to start a terminal. You are > getting the same screen that a default session with proper lts.conf > would get on ctrl+alt+f1 > I'm not sure about Fedora, but on Ubuntu and Debian with LTSP 5, you don't need lts.conf at all unless you want to make changes from the defaults. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From chuck at qwk2lrn.net Mon Nov 17 18:52:37 2008 From: chuck at qwk2lrn.net (Charles M Hale) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:52:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool wont auto startup in ICEWM in a workspace > 1 Message-ID: <7fa65cc20811171052v594503e1n19f8a3b51d116627@mail.gmail.com> We are using Fl_TeacherTool with the ICEWM window's manager and we are trying to startup Fl_TeacherTool in a workspace other than the primary workspace. ICEWM has a very good facility for doing this; its the 'winoptions' file in the .icewm subdirectory. Its seems that our directive of .workspace: is being iignored. We have Fl_TeacherTool starting up in workspace 1. We would like it to startup in workspace 2 or 3. We noted that when Fl_TeacherTool starts, we has 'Fl_Teachertool @ ' as the identifying text in the window, we/ve use all possible combinations for our and Fl_TeacherTool continues to startup in the first workspace. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get Fl_TeacherTool to start in a workspace other than the first one. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 20:37:15 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:37:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: 64 bit Flash Player alpha release Message-ID: Ok, it's not a final product but Adobe has announced a pre-release version of Flash for x86_64 http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ Here's hoping that they can deliver a final product in time to make it a great present for the holidays! From robark at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 21:26:34 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:26:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool wont auto startup in ICEWM in a workspace > 1 In-Reply-To: <7fa65cc20811171052v594503e1n19f8a3b51d116627@mail.gmail.com> References: <7fa65cc20811171052v594503e1n19f8a3b51d116627@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/11/17 Charles M Hale : > We are using Fl_TeacherTool with the ICEWM window's manager and we are > trying to startup Fl_TeacherTool in a workspace other than the primary > workspace. > ICEWM has a very good facility for doing this; its the 'winoptions' file in > the .icewm subdirectory. > Its seems that our directive of .workspace: > is being iignored. > We have Fl_TeacherTool starting up in workspace 1. We would like it to > startup in workspace 2 or 3. > We noted that when Fl_TeacherTool starts, we has 'Fl_Teachertool @ hostname>' as the identifying text in the window, we/ve use all possible > combinations for our and Fl_TeacherTool continues to startup in > the first workspace. I think I figured it out. At least I hope I did. I have a fix. I hope. This is an interesting problem. Have a look at the documentation for icewm http://www.icewm.org/manual/icewm-14.html#winoptions "It's possible that an application's class and/or name contains the dot character (".") used by IceWM to separate class, name and role values. To lock it, precede it with the backslash character. In the following example, we suppose an application's window has the.class as its class value and the.name as its name value : the\.class.the\.name.option: argument" The problem arises because my program grabs the hostame (which usually has a "." in it and tacks that onto the window name". So the "." is not escaped. The only solution I have is to get rid of the @hostame part of the window name in my code. So search for these two lines in fl_teachertool.cxx (it's in the main function) host=getstdout("echo $HOSTNAME","Error: Could not get Hostname"); host.insert(0, "Fl_TeacherTool @ "); and just replace it with host="Fl_TeacherTool"; Hopefully that will solve the problem. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get Fl_TeacherTool to start in a > workspace other than the first one. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ssh at tranquility.net Tue Nov 18 00:09:23 2008 From: ssh at tranquility.net (Scott S.) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:09:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Copying the look & feel of a EeePC on k12LTSP In-Reply-To: <492157B0.7070108@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <492157B0.7070108@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <492207B3.4060007@tranquility.net> Brian Chivers wrote: and if it's possible > to copy the tab'd frontend that you get on the EeePC's or Acer Aspire > One's so simplify the layout. > > Does anyone know if this is possible & if so any pointers . The Asus EEEpc uses ICEwm, instead of Gnome or KDE. That will give you the same window manager, at least. Install ICEwm for your users. thx, Scott S. From DLWillson at TheGeek.NU Tue Nov 18 00:27:07 2008 From: DLWillson at TheGeek.NU (David L. Willson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:27:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows In-Reply-To: <28823442.7781226967611013.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> Message-ID: <13183166.7851226968027557.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> This is not resolved if we don't know why permissions changes weren't working on folders. When viewing the properties pages of a share, from a Windows XP SMB client, if you switch to the "Security" tab, you are looking the permissions for the NTFS folder that is shared. You are not looking at the share ACL, but the folder ACL. To see share ACL from XP, try pointing Computer Management at your Samba server. According to my look, my home-folder-share has an ACL of Everyone:FullControl. That's not likely to cause any problem. But every entity on every folder ACL has "special" permissions. This problem needs exploration. I have a feeling that the solution is somewhere in unix-side facls. Like, if the filesystem is loaded "with ACL support", which I forget how to do, the changes to permissions might work correctly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Owens" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:42:20 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap adjusting permissions from Windows - SOLVED! Almquist Burke wrote: > > On Nov 14, 2008, at 6:20 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > >> I was right-clicking on a folder within the share. Are you saying that >> attempts to change permissions on the whole share and not just that >> folder? If so, that would explain my problem (because my user wouldn't >> have permission to change the whole share). But it doesn't seem >> intuitive. > >> -Rob > > > I don't have a windows box sitting here to test with at home so I'm not > sure if that is the case. I just remember that the last time I gave > myself headaches setting up a PDC using samba, that you had > permissions/users that were set by samba AND users/permissions that > pertained to the files/folders on the filesystem themselves. They have > to work in tandem and getting the setup correct is tricky sometimes. The > [Printers] and [Homes] sections have pretty bullet proof defaults for > what they do, but setting up custom shares means you have to get your > permissions and users/groups just right for both the filesystem and > samba. Are you using the stick bit? groups? What do you want the share > to do? If we know exactly what access you want to give, we might be able > to help better. ... or it might just be buggy, or that first permissions > screen really DOES apply to the shares and not the files/folders. I'm really just trying to provide an open share that anybody can create a file/folder in, while enabling users to change permissions on the files/folders that they create. It seems to be working now, but it seemed odd to me that I couldn't use the first permissions screen to do it (well, it worked for files, but not folders). Thanks for your help. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Nov 18 04:17:54 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:17:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_01 contains a screen script ldm ... Message-ID: <1226981874.12858.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Brian, Glad to hear you got your server reconciled. I guess I've never built ltsp on top of FC# so I had never heard of the lts.conf file being in the /etc dir. I thought for sure your build tree had gone completely south.. Sounds like your cookin with hot grease again! Take Care, Barry Cisna From stretchem at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 14:46:27 2008 From: stretchem at gmail.com (Mike Rathburn) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:46:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] You can't have LTSP and network too Message-ID: <7cee901e0811180646q650f9ae6lfd6d9a044f9e2e39@mail.gmail.com> I've run into the same problem, although I wasn't even able to get a 1420 PXE to get a DHCP assignment. This is related to my earlier post "New Fedora9 Installation and Networking". I wanted to go through a reinstall to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. Installed F9 with two interfaces - eth0 set to DHCP, eth1 set to static. Went through the instructions as posted in the wikki, but here's an overview of the steps done for clarity: After F9 install with reboot, eth0 got DHCP address 192.168.1.117, eth1 is statically set to 192.168.1.25. NetworkManager is on, but the eth1 network interface was inactive. Networking was only working through eth0. Had to do 'chkconfig network on' to get the two network interfaces to activate on startup. Rebooted. Networking is working fine for both interfaces. yum install ltsp-server Rebooted. yum install ltsp-vmclient Uncommented the option_cache_value line in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf echo "/opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash)" >> /etc/exports ifup ltspbr0 chkconfig network on Rebooted. for service in xinetd ltsp-dhcpd rpcbind nfs sshd; do chkconfig $service on; service $service restart; done for server in ldminfod nbdrootd nbdswapd tftp; do chkconfig $server on; done ltsp-build-client Rebooted. Verifed dhcp is running via pgrep dhcpd Stopped the firewall via service iptables stop Added BRIDGE=ltspbr0 to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 Did service network restart **** LOST NETWORK CONNECTION! **** Now I can't just paste the output of ifconfig because I don't have a network connection. However, ifconfig shows that eth0 doesn't have any address info, so it's inactive. eth1 has inet address of 192.168.1.25/255.255.255.0, as it should. ltspbr0 has inet address of 172.31.100.254/255.255.255.0, bound to the hardware address of eth0. I did chkconfig --list network, and 2,3,4,5 are on as they should be. My route -n shows: Dest GW Mask Iface 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 eth1 172.31.100.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 ltspbr0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 ltspbr0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 eth1 ifcfg-eth0 has: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp HWADDR=00:1a:a0:33:03:60 ONBOOT=yes DHCP_HOSTNAME=ltsp.childrenfirstflorida.org DNS1=192.168.1.1 SEARCH='childrenfirstflorida.org' NM_CONTROLLED=no TYPE=Ethernet BRIDGE=ltspbr0 ifcfg-eth1 has: DEVICE=eth1 BOOTPROTO=none BROADCAST=192.168.1.255 HWADDR=00:14:d1:15:4e:39 IPADDR=192.168.1.25 IPV6INIT=yes IPV6_AUTOCONF=yes NETMASK=255.255.255.0 NETWORK=192.168.1.0 ONBOOT=yes DNS1=192.168.1.1 SEARCH='childrenfirstflorida.org' NM_CONTROLLED=no GATEWAY=192.168.1.1 TYPE=Ethernet USERCTL=no PEERDNS=yes ifcfg-ltspbr0 has: DEVICE=ltspbr0 TYPE=Bridge ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=static STP=off DELAY=0.1 USERCTL=no IPV6INIT=no PEERDNS=yes NETMASK=255.255.255.0 IPADDR=172.31.100.254 ARP=yes Now, cruising on into the GUI, System -> Administration -> Network is showing eth0 inactive, eth1 and ltspbr0 both active. The NetworkManager icon is showing no connections to manage. Services -> network is enabled and started. dhcpd is shown as disabled, but is started. iptables is enabled, but is stopped. ltsp-dhcpd is enabled and started. So, again, what have I missed? Thanks! From efeldhusen.lists at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 14:56:09 2008 From: efeldhusen.lists at gmail.com (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:56:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source concept information for k-12 educators? Message-ID: <4922D789.5050000@gmail.com> I had a good question from one of my elementary school teachers regarding where to find information describing open source software for a lay person? I can do a pretty good job describing why and how people write open source software, but they were looking for something that they could read online. Any suggestions? Eric -- Eric J. Feldhusen Director of Technology Rudyard Area Schools http://www.rudyard.k12.mi.us ericf at eup.k12.mi.us (906)-478-3771 x253 11185 Second Street (906)-478-3912 fax Rudyard, MI 49780 From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Nov 18 15:16:40 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:16:40 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Copying the look & feel of a EeePC on k12LTSP In-Reply-To: <492207B3.4060007@tranquility.net> References: <492157B0.7070108@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <492207B3.4060007@tranquility.net> Message-ID: <4922DC58.3040506@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Scott S. wrote: > Brian Chivers wrote: > and if it's possible >> to copy the tab'd frontend that you get on the EeePC's or Acer Aspire >> One's so simplify the layout. >> >> Does anyone know if this is possible & if so any pointers . > > > The Asus EEEpc uses ICEwm, instead of Gnome or KDE. That will give you > the same window manager, at least. Install ICEwm for your users. > > thx, > Scott S. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see OK, what I'll have to do is look out documentation for ICEwm and XFCE& see what file controls the frontend bit & then copy / change this have a play. Thanks Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From skrishna.unix at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 15:18:11 2008 From: skrishna.unix at gmail.com (krishna kilari) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:18:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source concept information for k-12 educators? In-Reply-To: <4922D789.5050000@gmail.com> References: <4922D789.5050000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1419aa700811180718m67e09c18n213c46efc215dc47@mail.gmail.com> Obviously the best place to start is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Eric Feldhusen wrote: > I had a good question from one of my elementary school teachers > regarding where to find information describing open source software for > a lay person? I can do a pretty good job describing why and how people > write open source software, but they were looking for something that > they could read online. > > Any suggestions? > > Eric > > -- > Eric J. Feldhusen > Director of Technology > Rudyard Area Schools http://www.rudyard.k12.mi.us > ericf at eup.k12.mi.us (906)-478-3771 x253 > 11185 Second Street (906)-478-3912 fax > Rudyard, MI 49780 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stretchem at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 15:26:40 2008 From: stretchem at gmail.com (Mike Rathburn) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:26:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source concept information for k-12 educators? In-Reply-To: <1419aa700811180718m67e09c18n213c46efc215dc47@mail.gmail.com> References: <4922D789.5050000@gmail.com> <1419aa700811180718m67e09c18n213c46efc215dc47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7cee901e0811180726u469e21fdn9efceb36a35cf5a9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/11/18 krishna kilari : > Obviously the best place to start > is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source > As they're reading the wiki online, remind them that the wiki in and of itself is 'Open Source'. From k12ltsp at rwcinc.net Tue Nov 18 15:29:41 2008 From: k12ltsp at rwcinc.net (Patrick Fleming) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:29:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] You can't have LTSP and network too In-Reply-To: <7cee901e0811180646q650f9ae6lfd6d9a044f9e2e39@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cee901e0811180646q650f9ae6lfd6d9a044f9e2e39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4922DF65.6060001@rwcinc.net> One problem that I see is that you have eth0 and eth1 on 192.168.1.0 network. I would try setting eth1 to 192.168.0.x and see if you get anything different. At first glance, this would appear to have the interfaces fighting for the network and routes. If eth1 is also offering dhcp addresses to your thin clients you will have to edit /etc/dhcpd.conf and probably your named files. Mike Rathburn wrote: > I've run into the same problem, although I wasn't even able to get a > 1420 PXE to get a DHCP assignment. This is related to my earlier post > "New Fedora9 Installation and Networking". I wanted to go through a > reinstall to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. > > Installed F9 with two interfaces - eth0 set to DHCP, eth1 set to > static. Went through the instructions as posted in the wikki, but > here's an overview of the steps done for clarity: > > After F9 install with reboot, eth0 got DHCP address 192.168.1.117, > eth1 is statically set to 192.168.1.25. NetworkManager is on, but the > eth1 network interface was inactive. Networking was only working > through eth0. Had to do 'chkconfig network on' to get the two network > interfaces to activate on startup. Rebooted. Networking is working > fine for both interfaces. > > yum install ltsp-server > Rebooted. > yum install ltsp-vmclient > Uncommented the option_cache_value line in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf > echo "/opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash)" >> /etc/exports > ifup ltspbr0 > chkconfig network on > Rebooted. > for service in xinetd ltsp-dhcpd rpcbind nfs sshd; do chkconfig > $service on; service $service restart; done > for server in ldminfod nbdrootd nbdswapd tftp; do chkconfig $server on; done > ltsp-build-client > Rebooted. > Verifed dhcp is running via pgrep dhcpd > Stopped the firewall via service iptables stop > Added BRIDGE=ltspbr0 to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > Did service network restart > **** LOST NETWORK CONNECTION! **** > > Now I can't just paste the output of ifconfig because I don't have a > network connection. However, ifconfig shows that eth0 doesn't have > any address info, so it's inactive. eth1 has inet address of > 192.168.1.25/255.255.255.0, as it should. ltspbr0 has inet address of > 172.31.100.254/255.255.255.0, bound to the hardware address of eth0. > > I did chkconfig --list network, and 2,3,4,5 are on as they should be. > > My route -n shows: > > Dest GW Mask Iface > 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 eth1 > 172.31.100.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 ltspbr0 > 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 ltspbr0 > 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 eth1 > > ifcfg-eth0 has: > DEVICE=eth0 > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > HWADDR=00:1a:a0:33:03:60 > ONBOOT=yes > DHCP_HOSTNAME=ltsp.childrenfirstflorida.org > DNS1=192.168.1.1 > SEARCH='childrenfirstflorida.org' > NM_CONTROLLED=no > TYPE=Ethernet > BRIDGE=ltspbr0 > > ifcfg-eth1 has: > DEVICE=eth1 > BOOTPROTO=none > BROADCAST=192.168.1.255 > HWADDR=00:14:d1:15:4e:39 > IPADDR=192.168.1.25 > IPV6INIT=yes > IPV6_AUTOCONF=yes > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > NETWORK=192.168.1.0 > ONBOOT=yes > DNS1=192.168.1.1 > SEARCH='childrenfirstflorida.org' > NM_CONTROLLED=no > GATEWAY=192.168.1.1 > TYPE=Ethernet > USERCTL=no > PEERDNS=yes > > ifcfg-ltspbr0 has: > DEVICE=ltspbr0 > TYPE=Bridge > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=static > STP=off > DELAY=0.1 > USERCTL=no > IPV6INIT=no > PEERDNS=yes > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > IPADDR=172.31.100.254 > ARP=yes > > Now, cruising on into the GUI, System -> Administration -> Network is > showing eth0 inactive, eth1 and ltspbr0 both active. The > NetworkManager icon is showing no connections to manage. Services -> > network is enabled and started. dhcpd is shown as disabled, but is > started. iptables is enabled, but is stopped. ltsp-dhcpd is enabled > and started. > > So, again, what have I missed? > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Nov 18 15:49:18 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:49:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source concept information for k-12 educators? In-Reply-To: <4922D789.5050000@gmail.com> References: <4922D789.5050000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4922E3FE.1000302@scheie.homedns.org> Search wikipedia for FOSS or FLOSS. Peter Eric Feldhusen wrote: > I had a good question from one of my elementary school teachers > regarding where to find information describing open source software for > a lay person? I can do a pretty good job describing why and how people > write open source software, but they were looking for something that > they could read online. > > Any suggestions? > > Eric > From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 15:59:24 2008 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:59:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Sluggish file server In-Reply-To: <1226417212.20148.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1226417212.20148.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > Let us know what you figure out. Over the weekend I checked the backups and they weren't the issue. I still get 8 nsfd processes running and the load average still gets fairly high (6-9 on a dual processor system). After looking at the logs, it seems to be related to smb (though why that would cause nsfd processes to spawn is unknown). The spikes occur when the teachers connect to the windows terminal server to access the web-based SIS (which only works properly with IE6, so perhaps browser-based SIS is more accurate, and the state paid a lot of money to have this program developed by a major company in this area, but that is a different issue). Because we have not been able to get teachers to cleanly log off when using rdesktop, we added an 'attendence' icon to all teachers' desktops that launches rdesktop with the -s option which automatically launches IE6 and connects to the state SIS in a full screen mode without decorations. When they exit, it then ends the session correctly. The spikes occur when all the teachers use the attendance icon, but only on Mondays. The state has recently implemented Lightspeed and I see numerous connection attempts against the (smb) servers by the lightspeed software so perhaps this is related. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From stretchem at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 16:01:05 2008 From: stretchem at gmail.com (Mike Rathburn) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:01:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] You can't have LTSP and network too In-Reply-To: <4922DF65.6060001@rwcinc.net> References: <7cee901e0811180646q650f9ae6lfd6d9a044f9e2e39@mail.gmail.com> <4922DF65.6060001@rwcinc.net> Message-ID: <7cee901e0811180801v1216c53u3d30755e9228ac17@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Patrick. However, setting eth0 to anything and everything doesn't matter since it's deactivated and bridged to ltspbr0, at least that's my understanding. I set it to static and different addresses. Doesn't effect anything, not even the routes. As an additional note to my original post and current system settings, /etc/resolv.conf has: nameserver 192.168.1.1 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Patrick Fleming wrote: > One problem that I see is that you have eth0 and eth1 on 192.168.1.0 > network. I would try setting eth1 to 192.168.0.x and see if you get > anything different. At first glance, this would appear to have the > interfaces fighting for the network and routes. If eth1 is also offering > dhcp addresses to your thin clients you will have to edit > /etc/dhcpd.conf and probably your named files. > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Nov 18 16:06:50 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:06:50 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here Message-ID: <47210.216.24.126.66.1227024410.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Available for download, fl_teachertool-0.62.rpm. This is based on Robert Arkiletian's Fl_TEACHERTOOL-0.62 source. Use the .i386.rpm for FC# , Centos5/K12LTSP5. Download the .src.rpm to rebuild to your distro. Please read the README on this URL, for detailed instructions. You will need to download two dependencies, which the rpm will pull down for you ( if yum works correctly for you). These two rpm's are also at this URL for convenience. Hope this makes it more user friendly for everyone. ftp://eazylivin.net/server/fl_teachertool-0.62 Take Care, Barry Cisna From micha at arava.co.il Tue Nov 18 19:59:24 2008 From: micha at arava.co.il (Micha Silver) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:59:24 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source concept information for k-12 educators? In-Reply-To: <4922D789.5050000@gmail.com> References: <4922D789.5050000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49231E9C.80401@arava.co.il> Eric Feldhusen wrote: > I had a good question from one of my elementary school teachers > regarding where to find information describing open source software for > a lay person? I can do a pretty good job describing why and how people > write open source software, but they were looking for something that > they could read online. > > Any suggestions? > Well, there's the "authoritative" definition for free software by the free software foundation: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html "Free" is not the same as "open source", but the the article gives a good theoretical base. -- Micha > Eric > > From whatch at anwsu.org Tue Nov 18 20:09:56 2008 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:09:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] installing mplayer to play mp4 files Message-ID: <4922DAF0.0948.00D4.0@anwsu.org> I downloaded a youtube video that is in mp4 format and wanted to play it k12ltsp, but Totem can't play it. I read that mplayer will, but am having all kinds of trouble getting it installed. When I follow directions that I've found on the internet, I keep getting yum errors. [root at server ~]# yum install mplayer Loading "priorities" plugin Loading "fastestmirror" plugin Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * epel: ftp.linux.ncsu.edu * webmin: k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us * addons: mirrors.combinetworks.com * extras: ftp.lug.udel.edu * adobe-linux-i386: linuxdownload.adobe.com * k12ltsp: k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us * macromedia: macromedia.mplug.org * updates: mirror.trouble-free.net * base: updates.interworx.info 0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments No package mplayer available. Nothing to do [root at server ~]# How do I get this thing installed? Is there another rpm out there that will play mp4? *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. 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From dsokolowsky at alcatel-lucent.com Tue Nov 18 20:50:18 2008 From: dsokolowsky at alcatel-lucent.com (David Sokolowsky) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:50:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Copying the look & feel of a EeePC on k12LTSP In-Reply-To: <4922DC58.3040506@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <492157B0.7070108@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <492207B3.4060007@tranquility.net> <4922DC58.3040506@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <49232A8A.6010500@alcatel-lucent.com> lxlauncher may be a good place to start. It is part of LXDE (lightweight desktop) - http://lxde.org/ " About LXLauncher Open source replacement for Asus Launcher of EeePC This is designed for Asus EeePC. (See the screenshot) LXLauncher is part of LXDE project (Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment: http://lxde.org/). It's designed for Asus EeePC as an open source replacement for Asus Launcher included in EeePC provided by Xandros. LXLauncher is standard-compliant and desktop-independent. It follows freedesktop.org specs, so newly added applications will automatically show up in the launcher, and vice versa for the removed ones. Drop the limited Asus launcher and try LXLauncher today! Cheers!" http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/LXLauncher Regards, Dave From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Tue Nov 18 21:27:04 2008 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:27:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox 3.0.4 Message-ID: <20081118T132704Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> Frequently, when the thin client computer users start firefox (v. 3.0.4), they get an error message. It starts with: an error occurred while loading or saving config. information for gecko... They have to clear it about 7 or 8 times according to the teacher, then firefox works. They have recently been getting a similar message at login for krb5-auth-dialog. We are integrated with Active Directory so the kids can access the Windows hosted home folders. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 21:30:32 2008 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:30:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] installing mplayer to play mp4 files In-Reply-To: <4922DAF0.0948.00D4.0@anwsu.org> References: <4922DAF0.0948.00D4.0@anwsu.org> Message-ID: <492333F8.6020903@gmail.com> Will Hatch wrote: > I downloaded a youtube video that is in mp4 format and wanted to play it > k12ltsp, but Totem can't play it. I read that mplayer will, but am having > all kinds of trouble getting it installed. When I follow directions that > I've found on the internet, I keep getting yum errors. > I find VLC works better that Mplayer. To install VLC on Fedora-based K12LTSP, you can use the FreshRPM repository, for K12LTSP-EL (CentOS-based) you can use the RPMForge repository. VLC doesn't have a plugin (it is a stand-alone player) nor does it run Quicktime, but I don't have much luck with mplayer/mplayerplug-in and Quicktime anyway; works well with some content and not others. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 21:38:29 2008 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:38:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox 3.0.4 In-Reply-To: <20081118T132704Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> References: <20081118T132704Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> Message-ID: <492335D5.5080206@gmail.com> Steve Krause wrote: > Frequently, when the thin client computer users start firefox (v. > 3.0.4), they get an error message. It starts with: an error occurred > while loading or saving config. information for gecko... They have to > clear it about 7 or 8 times according to the teacher, then firefox > works. They have recently been getting a similar message at login for > krb5-auth-dialog. We are integrated with Active Directory so the kids > can access the Windows hosted home folders. Any help would be greatly > appreciated! > Sounds like you may be having problems (re-)connecting to those Windows home folders, since firefox saves configuration info as well as cache files in the user's home directory. You may have to look into file server response times/load, network problems or timeout values. Make sure that users are logging out "clean" (closing all applications and logging out) and not just turning the terminals off. -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu Tue Nov 18 22:10:02 2008 From: krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu (Steve Krause) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:10:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox 3.0.4 References: <20081118T132704Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> Message-ID: <20081118T141002Z_424200110000@deerpark.wednet.edu> Thanks John. I used unfortunate terminology. The "home" folders I was referring to are merely a place to store documents. The setup creates a home folder under the legacy domain name on the LTSP server to hold the configuration information. The Win folder is mounted via pam_mount. The actual home folders on the LTSP server have permission with full rights for the user only. Steve Krause, CNE Network Manager Deer Park School District #414 Deer Park, WA (509) 464-5567 krauses at deerpark.wednet.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Nov 19 00:35:23 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:35:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] installing mplayer to play mp4 files Message-ID: <1227054923.17147.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Will, If you are using Centos5/K12LTSP, or FC# with ltsp, you will need to go to your yum.repos.d directory and enable( change from the default =0, >=1) the livna repository. Mplayer will work for mp4's,,, but I've found the most streamlined/all in one solution is to install totem-xine. It'll play about any format of audio/video you throw at it(RealPlayer,Quicktime,wmv,asf,mp#,flac,ogg,etc) providing you get all the right dependencies installed .Totem-xine has a nice look plugin for FF as well. Take Care, Barry Cisna From mel at melwade.com Wed Nov 19 01:25:56 2008 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:25:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] GRUB? Message-ID: <43080f460811181725k3d5d1697jb868c73739fd5bff@mail.gmail.com> I did some updates and then rebooted the server. Now all I'm getting is a grub prompt. Not sure where to go from here... -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12ltsp at rwcinc.net Wed Nov 19 02:35:06 2008 From: k12ltsp at rwcinc.net (Patrick Fleming) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:35:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] You can't have LTSP and network too In-Reply-To: <7cee901e0811180801v1216c53u3d30755e9228ac17@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cee901e0811180646q650f9ae6lfd6d9a044f9e2e39@mail.gmail.com> <4922DF65.6060001@rwcinc.net> <7cee901e0811180801v1216c53u3d30755e9228ac17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49237B5A.3020206@rwcinc.net> I suspect it's being deactivated after eth1 gets its static address. Mike Rathburn wrote: > Thanks Patrick. However, setting eth0 to anything and everything > doesn't matter since it's deactivated and bridged to ltspbr0, at least > that's my understanding. I set it to static and different addresses. > Doesn't effect anything, not even the routes. > > As an additional note to my original post and current system settings, > /etc/resolv.conf has: > > nameserver 192.168.1.1 > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Patrick Fleming wrote: >> One problem that I see is that you have eth0 and eth1 on 192.168.1.0 >> network. I would try setting eth1 to 192.168.0.x and see if you get >> anything different. At first glance, this would appear to have the >> interfaces fighting for the network and routes. If eth1 is also offering >> dhcp addresses to your thin clients you will have to edit >> /etc/dhcpd.conf and probably your named files. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From burke at thealmquists.net Wed Nov 19 02:35:00 2008 From: burke at thealmquists.net (Almquist Burke) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:35:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] You can't have LTSP and network too In-Reply-To: <7cee901e0811180646q650f9ae6lfd6d9a044f9e2e39@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cee901e0811180646q650f9ae6lfd6d9a044f9e2e39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1F58DD58-C95E-4544-ABD0-CCEF6ADB8033@thealmquists.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Umm, dumb question. Which network card is on the LAN/vLAN facing the clients and which is on your main network. What is your network topology? On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Mike Rathburn wrote: > I've run into the same problem, although I wasn't even able to get a > 1420 PXE to get a DHCP assignment. This is related to my earlier post > "New Fedora9 Installation and Networking". I wanted to go through a > reinstall to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. > > Installed F9 with two interfaces - eth0 set to DHCP, eth1 set to > static. Went through the instructions as posted in the wikki, but > here's an overview of the steps done for clarity: > > After F9 install with reboot, eth0 got DHCP address 192.168.1.117, > eth1 is statically set to 192.168.1.25. NetworkManager is on, but the > eth1 network interface was inactive. Networking was only working > through eth0. Had to do 'chkconfig network on' to get the two network > interfaces to activate on startup. Rebooted. Networking is working > fine for both interfaces. > > yum install ltsp-server > Rebooted. > yum install ltsp-vmclient > Uncommented the option_cache_value line in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build- > client.conf > echo "/opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash)" >> /etc/exports > ifup ltspbr0 > chkconfig network on > Rebooted. > for service in xinetd ltsp-dhcpd rpcbind nfs sshd; do chkconfig > $service on; service $service restart; done > for server in ldminfod nbdrootd nbdswapd tftp; do chkconfig $server > on; done > ltsp-build-client > Rebooted. > Verifed dhcp is running via pgrep dhcpd > Stopped the firewall via service iptables stop > Added BRIDGE=ltspbr0 to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > Did service network restart > **** LOST NETWORK CONNECTION! **** > > Now I can't just paste the output of ifconfig because I don't have a > network connection. However, ifconfig shows that eth0 doesn't have > any address info, so it's inactive. eth1 has inet address of > 192.168.1.25/255.255.255.0, as it should. ltspbr0 has inet address of > 172.31.100.254/255.255.255.0, bound to the hardware address of eth0. > > I did chkconfig --list network, and 2,3,4,5 are on as they should be. > > My route -n shows: > > Dest GW Mask Iface > 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 eth1 > 172.31.100.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 ltspbr0 > 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 ltspbr0 > 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 eth1 > > ifcfg-eth0 has: > DEVICE=eth0 > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > HWADDR=00:1a:a0:33:03:60 > ONBOOT=yes > DHCP_HOSTNAME=ltsp.childrenfirstflorida.org > DNS1=192.168.1.1 > SEARCH='childrenfirstflorida.org' > NM_CONTROLLED=no > TYPE=Ethernet > BRIDGE=ltspbr0 > > ifcfg-eth1 has: > DEVICE=eth1 > BOOTPROTO=none > BROADCAST=192.168.1.255 > HWADDR=00:14:d1:15:4e:39 > IPADDR=192.168.1.25 > IPV6INIT=yes > IPV6_AUTOCONF=yes > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > NETWORK=192.168.1.0 > ONBOOT=yes > DNS1=192.168.1.1 > SEARCH='childrenfirstflorida.org' > NM_CONTROLLED=no > GATEWAY=192.168.1.1 > TYPE=Ethernet > USERCTL=no > PEERDNS=yes > > ifcfg-ltspbr0 has: > DEVICE=ltspbr0 > TYPE=Bridge > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=static > STP=off > DELAY=0.1 > USERCTL=no > IPV6INIT=no > PEERDNS=yes > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > IPADDR=172.31.100.254 > ARP=yes > > Now, cruising on into the GUI, System -> Administration -> Network is > showing eth0 inactive, eth1 and ltspbr0 both active. The > NetworkManager icon is showing no connections to manage. Services -> > network is enabled and started. dhcpd is shown as disabled, but is > started. iptables is enabled, but is stopped. ltsp-dhcpd is enabled > and started. > > So, again, what have I missed? > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkkje1QACgkQxWV7OPa/g5GblACcC4U9wZGSTn0942YhLGYd860W XgoAn3aF0m2J+pXVqr+RKilF4FEtn4Dc =4UuD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stretchem at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 02:59:38 2008 From: stretchem at gmail.com (M Rathburn) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:59:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] You can't have LTSP and network too In-Reply-To: <1F58DD58-C95E-4544-ABD0-CCEF6ADB8033@thealmquists.net> Message-ID: <4923811d.03172c0a.4a7b.fffffdea@mx.google.com> Not a dumb question... eth0 is the one for the thin clients. eth1 is for the rest of the network (internet). Recognize that I've now done two complete installs with the same result... one with eth0 getting DHCP, one with eth0 statically assigned. In both installs, as soon as the BRIDGE is made, all networking goes south. Have now also done two installs of K12LTSP CentOS5EL, using the same as above, and they both worked perfectly throughout. The problem is with the Fedora9 install. My next lab test is to install F9, but this time swap the interfaces around - have eth0 be for internet, eth1 be for the clients, and we'll see if that makes a difference. -Mike Rathburn Children First Florida > > Umm, dumb question. Which network card is on the LAN/vLAN > facing the clients and which is on your main network. What is > your network topology? > > > On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Mike Rathburn wrote: > > > I've run into the same problem, although I wasn't even able > to get a > > 1420 PXE to get a DHCP assignment. This is related to my > earlier post > > "New Fedora9 Installation and Networking". I wanted to go > through a > > reinstall to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. > > > > Installed F9 with two interfaces - eth0 set to DHCP, eth1 set to > > static. Went through the instructions as posted in the wikki, but > > here's an overview of the steps done for clarity: > > > > After F9 install with reboot, eth0 got DHCP address 192.168.1.117, > > eth1 is statically set to 192.168.1.25. NetworkManager is > on, but the > > eth1 network interface was inactive. Networking was only working > > through eth0. Had to do 'chkconfig network on' to get the > two network > > interfaces to activate on startup. Rebooted. Networking > is working > > fine for both interfaces. > > > > yum install ltsp-server > > Rebooted. > > yum install ltsp-vmclient > > Uncommented the option_cache_value line in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build- > > client.conf echo "/opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash)" >> > > /etc/exports ifup ltspbr0 chkconfig network on Rebooted. > > for service in xinetd ltsp-dhcpd rpcbind nfs sshd; do chkconfig > > $service on; service $service restart; done for server in ldminfod > > nbdrootd nbdswapd tftp; do chkconfig $server on; done > > ltsp-build-client Rebooted. > > Verifed dhcp is running via pgrep dhcpd Stopped the firewall via > > service iptables stop Added BRIDGE=ltspbr0 to > > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > > Did service network restart > > **** LOST NETWORK CONNECTION! **** > > > > Now I can't just paste the output of ifconfig because I > don't have a > > network connection. However, ifconfig shows that eth0 doesn't have > > any address info, so it's inactive. eth1 has inet address of > > 192.168.1.25/255.255.255.0, as it should. ltspbr0 has inet > address of > > 172.31.100.254/255.255.255.0, bound to the hardware address of eth0. > > > > I did chkconfig --list network, and 2,3,4,5 are on as they > should be. > > > > My route -n shows: > > > > Dest GW Mask Iface > > 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 eth1 > > 172.31.100.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 ltspbr0 > > 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 ltspbr0 > > 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 eth1 > > > > ifcfg-eth0 has: > > DEVICE=eth0 > > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > > HWADDR=00:1a:a0:33:03:60 > > ONBOOT=yes > > DHCP_HOSTNAME=ltsp.childrenfirstflorida.org > > DNS1=192.168.1.1 > > SEARCH='childrenfirstflorida.org' > > NM_CONTROLLED=no > > TYPE=Ethernet > > BRIDGE=ltspbr0 > > > > ifcfg-eth1 has: > > DEVICE=eth1 > > BOOTPROTO=none > > BROADCAST=192.168.1.255 > > HWADDR=00:14:d1:15:4e:39 > > IPADDR=192.168.1.25 > > IPV6INIT=yes > > IPV6_AUTOCONF=yes > > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > > NETWORK=192.168.1.0 > > ONBOOT=yes > > DNS1=192.168.1.1 > > SEARCH='childrenfirstflorida.org' > > NM_CONTROLLED=no > > GATEWAY=192.168.1.1 > > TYPE=Ethernet > > USERCTL=no > > PEERDNS=yes > > > > ifcfg-ltspbr0 has: > > DEVICE=ltspbr0 > > TYPE=Bridge > > ONBOOT=yes > > BOOTPROTO=static > > STP=off > > DELAY=0.1 > > USERCTL=no > > IPV6INIT=no > > PEERDNS=yes > > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > > IPADDR=172.31.100.254 > > ARP=yes > > > > Now, cruising on into the GUI, System -> Administration -> > Network is > > showing eth0 inactive, eth1 and ltspbr0 both active. The > > NetworkManager icon is showing no connections to manage. > Services -> > > network is enabled and started. dhcpd is shown as disabled, but is > > started. iptables is enabled, but is stopped. ltsp-dhcpd > is enabled > > and started. > > > > So, again, what have I missed? > > > > Thanks! From burke at thealmquists.net Wed Nov 19 03:05:27 2008 From: burke at thealmquists.net (Almquist Burke) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:05:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] You can't have LTSP and network too In-Reply-To: <7cee901e0811180646q650f9ae6lfd6d9a044f9e2e39@mail.gmail.com> References: <7cee901e0811180646q650f9ae6lfd6d9a044f9e2e39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69C292AA-2132-4B83-80A1-A330007D57EE@thealmquists.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'll be in the #LTSP IRC chat for the next hour or so if you want to pop in and try to figure this out. On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Mike Rathburn wrote: > I've run into the same problem, although I wasn't even able to get a > 1420 PXE to get a DHCP assignment. This is related to my earlier post > "New Fedora9 Installation and Networking". I wanted to go through a > reinstall to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. > > Installed F9 with two interfaces - eth0 set to DHCP, eth1 set to > static. Went through the instructions as posted in the wikki, but > here's an overview of the steps done for clarity: > > After F9 install with reboot, eth0 got DHCP address 192.168.1.117, > eth1 is statically set to 192.168.1.25. NetworkManager is on, but the > eth1 network interface was inactive. Networking was only working > through eth0. Had to do 'chkconfig network on' to get the two network > interfaces to activate on startup. Rebooted. Networking is working > fine for both interfaces. > > yum install ltsp-server > Rebooted. > yum install ltsp-vmclient > Uncommented the option_cache_value line in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build- > client.conf > echo "/opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash)" >> /etc/exports > ifup ltspbr0 > chkconfig network on > Rebooted. > for service in xinetd ltsp-dhcpd rpcbind nfs sshd; do chkconfig > $service on; service $service restart; done > for server in ldminfod nbdrootd nbdswapd tftp; do chkconfig $server > on; done > ltsp-build-client > Rebooted. > Verifed dhcp is running via pgrep dhcpd > Stopped the firewall via service iptables stop > Added BRIDGE=ltspbr0 to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > Did service network restart > **** LOST NETWORK CONNECTION! **** > > Now I can't just paste the output of ifconfig because I don't have a > network connection. However, ifconfig shows that eth0 doesn't have > any address info, so it's inactive. eth1 has inet address of > 192.168.1.25/255.255.255.0, as it should. ltspbr0 has inet address of > 172.31.100.254/255.255.255.0, bound to the hardware address of eth0. > > I did chkconfig --list network, and 2,3,4,5 are on as they should be. > > My route -n shows: > > Dest GW Mask Iface > 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 eth1 > 172.31.100.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 ltspbr0 > 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 ltspbr0 > 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 eth1 > > ifcfg-eth0 has: > DEVICE=eth0 > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > HWADDR=00:1a:a0:33:03:60 > ONBOOT=yes > DHCP_HOSTNAME=ltsp.childrenfirstflorida.org > DNS1=192.168.1.1 > SEARCH='childrenfirstflorida.org' > NM_CONTROLLED=no > TYPE=Ethernet > BRIDGE=ltspbr0 > > ifcfg-eth1 has: > DEVICE=eth1 > BOOTPROTO=none > BROADCAST=192.168.1.255 > HWADDR=00:14:d1:15:4e:39 > IPADDR=192.168.1.25 > IPV6INIT=yes > IPV6_AUTOCONF=yes > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > NETWORK=192.168.1.0 > ONBOOT=yes > DNS1=192.168.1.1 > SEARCH='childrenfirstflorida.org' > NM_CONTROLLED=no > GATEWAY=192.168.1.1 > TYPE=Ethernet > USERCTL=no > PEERDNS=yes > > ifcfg-ltspbr0 has: > DEVICE=ltspbr0 > TYPE=Bridge > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=static > STP=off > DELAY=0.1 > USERCTL=no > IPV6INIT=no > PEERDNS=yes > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > IPADDR=172.31.100.254 > ARP=yes > > Now, cruising on into the GUI, System -> Administration -> Network is > showing eth0 inactive, eth1 and ltspbr0 both active. The > NetworkManager icon is showing no connections to manage. Services -> > network is enabled and started. dhcpd is shown as disabled, but is > started. iptables is enabled, but is stopped. ltsp-dhcpd is enabled > and started. > > So, again, what have I missed? > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjgncACgkQxWV7OPa/g5GfowCeKfIO1z7YWl05Ar7Q1fy4HM+u 45MAn2Hkaw8mRXwlpc0SyHspnVh7jl9u =LaOQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From burke at thealmquists.net Wed Nov 19 03:49:25 2008 From: burke at thealmquists.net (Almquist Burke) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:49:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] You can't have LTSP and network too In-Reply-To: <4923811d.03172c0a.4a7b.fffffdea@mx.google.com> References: <4923811d.03172c0a.4a7b.fffffdea@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4FD360D3-1E0E-4EC9-B24D-C17685DC0D65@thealmquists.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:59 PM, M Rathburn wrote: > After F9 install with reboot, eth0 got DHCP address 192.168.1.117, > eth1 is statically set to 192.168.1.25. NetworkManager is on, but > the eth1 network interface was inactive. Networking was only > working through eth0. Had to do 'chkconfig network on' to get the > two network > interfaces to activate on startup. Rebooted. Networking is > working fine for both interfaces. >> What you describe above makes me think that eth0 might actually facing the outside of your network and eth1 is facing your clients. FC 9 might detect your NICs in a different order than RHEL/CENTOS. The other thing to check, did you restart the computer or the NetworkManger service too? The other thing you may have to do first, especially on a stock install of FC 9, is to do all the updates first. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjjMUACgkQxWV7OPa/g5F3wQCfbnha9Ebojp6XEcKGZ4l5qmUN 4zoAnixjhEG1ZyNPLF0rEMeMtFjGuWnl =Otz3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From manoj.u.kumar at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 10:13:58 2008 From: manoj.u.kumar at gmail.com (Manoj Kumar) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:43:58 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] GRUB? In-Reply-To: <43080f460811181725k3d5d1697jb868c73739fd5bff@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460811181725k3d5d1697jb868c73739fd5bff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <91851c330811190213j631e4645y8cb3dd2dbc616992@mail.gmail.com> >From the grub> prompt, type the following to boot the server 1. grub> root (hdx,y) where x is the hard disk containing /boot y is the partition number of /boot 2. grub> kernel /vmlinuz- ro root= type the appropriate kernel to boot & the device file name of root partition eg., grub> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-8.el5 ro root=/dev/sda2 3. grub> /initrd-.img type the appropriate initrd version 4. grub> boot Perform the above 4 steps & see if the server boots. If it boots then open /boot/grub/grub.conf and make the neccessary changes or if the file is missing create one Thanks Manoj 2008/11/19 Mel Wade > I did some updates and then rebooted the server. Now all I'm getting is a > grub prompt. Not sure where to go from here... > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Wed Nov 19 16:38:08 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:38:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap - using a separate /home file server Message-ID: <492440F0.2030704@biochemfluidics.com> I'd like to have samba/ldap authentication, but I want my user's home directories on a separate server. I do not want to NFS mount /home on the samba/ldap server, because I want to ensure that the local admin users have access to a home folder even if the network is down. On the samba/ldap server, I'd like to eliminate the [homes] share. On the file server, of course, I would create a [homes] share. Can anyone tell me how to accomplish this? -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Wed Nov 19 17:00:31 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:00:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap - using a separate /home file server In-Reply-To: <492440F0.2030704@biochemfluidics.com> References: <492440F0.2030704@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <4924462F.4090600@biochemfluidics.com> Rob Owens wrote: > I'd like to have samba/ldap authentication, but I want my user's home > directories on a separate server. I do not want to NFS mount /home on > the samba/ldap server, because I want to ensure that the local admin > users have access to a home folder even if the network is down. > > On the samba/ldap server, I'd like to eliminate the [homes] share. On > the file server, of course, I would create a [homes] share. > > Can anyone tell me how to accomplish this? > ...feverishly reading man pages... Could it be as simple as removing "logon drive = X:" from smb.conf on the authentication server, and including it on the file server? -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From DLWillson at TheGeek.NU Wed Nov 19 17:44:53 2008 From: DLWillson at TheGeek.NU (David L. Willson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:44:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap - using a separate /home file server In-Reply-To: <22173645.10321227116531138.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> Message-ID: <10651245.10351227116693279.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> Statement: It seems to me to be easier to redefine $HOME to a local resource for the few local admin users and continue the "normal" NFS mount of /home for the rest, than to network mount $HOME, but over a different protocol, for everyone. Question: Have I misunderstood what you're trying to do? As I read your message, you want to SMB mount $HOME for everyone, rather than NFS mount /home for the whole system. Is that right? Suggestion: Or, couldn't you just create home folders for the local admin users in the /home directory on the root partition, and then only use them when the network is down. They wouldn't affect you when the network is up and /home is NFS mounted. I recommend strongly against SMB mounting $HOME. SMB permissions and *nix file permissions are not identical. NFS perms and *nix file perms are identical. Either way, you're network dependent, but SMB buys you an un-needed level of complexity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Owens" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:38:08 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap - using a separate /home file server I'd like to have samba/ldap authentication, but I want my user's home directories on a separate server. I do not want to NFS mount /home on the samba/ldap server, because I want to ensure that the local admin users have access to a home folder even if the network is down. On the samba/ldap server, I'd like to eliminate the [homes] share. On the file server, of course, I would create a [homes] share. Can anyone tell me how to accomplish this? -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From GNovotny at mcpasd.k12.wi.us Wed Nov 19 17:53:11 2008 From: GNovotny at mcpasd.k12.wi.us (Garrett Novotny) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:53:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Website Message-ID: <4923FE27.C1D4.0011.0@mcpasd.k12.wi.us> Hi everyone, I'm just joined this mailing list and am trying to find out more on what the opensource community has to offer for K-12 schools. Are there many schools in the US using LTSP? If you have any examples, the number of clients/students would be a great help and maybe some contact info. Also I noticed that the http://www.k12os.org website is down. What's the status on that? Thanks, Garrett -- Technology Support Specialist Middleton-Cross Plains Area School District Middleton, WI -- Garrett Novotny Technician - Technology Services Middleton-Cross Plains Area School District 7106 South Avenue - Middleton, WI 53562 [email] gnovotny at mcpasd.k12.wi.us [http] www.mcpasd.k12.wi.us [voice] 608.829.9036 - Help Desk From whatch at anwsu.org Wed Nov 19 19:05:05 2008 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:05:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here Message-ID: <49241D11020000D40000DA66@fs2.anwsu.org> When I try to install the 0.62 rpm from the link, I get this error: file /usr/bin/teachertool-vncviewer from install of fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1 conflicts with file from package teachertool-tightvnc-1.2.9-2.k12ltsp.4.4.2 >>> Barry R Cisna 11/18/08 11:06 AM >>> Hello All, Available for download, fl_teachertool-0.62.rpm. This is based on Robert Arkiletian's Fl_TEACHERTOOL-0.62 source. Use the .i386.rpm for FC# , Centos5/K12LTSP5. Download the .src.rpm to rebuild to your distro. Please read the README on this URL, for detailed instructions. You will need to download two dependencies, which the rpm will pull down for you ( if yum works correctly for you). These two rpm's are also at this URL for convenience. Hope this makes it more user friendly for everyone. ftp://eazylivin.net/server/fl_teachertool-0.62 Take Care, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you're not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. It is the policy of ANWSU not to discriminate on the basis or race, color, religion, national origin, gender, disability, or gender orientation in its educational programs or activities, or in its employment policies as required by Title IX of the 1972 Educational Amendments, by Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, by Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and by Vermont State Law. From whatch at anwsu.org Wed Nov 19 19:17:09 2008 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:17:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here Message-ID: <49241FE5020000D40000DA6A@fs2.anwsu.org> never mind this one... I read the readme and figured it out. I have it installed now, but still no luck with the program working. I logged onto one of my thin clients as myself, then onto the server as root, opened teachertool up and it does not show any users logged on. >>> "Will Hatch" 11/19/08 2:05 PM >>> When I try to install the 0.62 rpm from the link, I get this error: file /usr/bin/teachertool-vncviewer from install of fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1 conflicts with file from package teachertool-tightvnc-1.2.9-2.k12ltsp.4.4.2 >>> Barry R Cisna 11/18/08 11:06 AM >>> Hello All, Available for download, fl_teachertool-0.62.rpm. This is based on Robert Arkiletian's Fl_TEACHERTOOL-0.62 source. Use the .i386.rpm for FC# , Centos5/K12LTSP5. Download the .src.rpm to rebuild to your distro. Please read the README on this URL, for detailed instructions. You will need to download two dependencies, which the rpm will pull down for you ( if yum works correctly for you). These two rpm's are also at this URL for convenience. Hope this makes it more user friendly for everyone. ftp://eazylivin.net/server/fl_teachertool-0.62 Take Care, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you're not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. 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From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Nov 19 20:53:09 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:53:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here Message-ID: <1227127989.21220.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Will, Did you log out the thin clients then log back in ( on a TC?). Also did you reboot your K12LTSP server after installing the fl_teachertool rpm? Try at least doing an ' service xinetd restart '. Also from the logged in TC try and ' telnet 5900 ' make sure you get a response here. These will eliminate a few possibilities. Post your results,please. Take Care, Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Nov 19 20:58:25 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:58:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] export users & groups Message-ID: <1227128305.21220.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Will, Webmin is your friend here. Install Webmin on both servers via the rpm. Export your users/groups on your current server with the users & groups module in Webmin. Copy this saved file,to your new Edubuntu server someplace, then do a batch file import within the Webmin module. No sense in torturing yourself with all the "re-entry" stuff,,:-) Take Care, Barry Cisna From jamielist at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 21:23:34 2008 From: jamielist at gmail.com (Jamie Lists) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:23:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh Message-ID: We're running K12LTSP 5 EL. We need kids that save OO files to default save in M$ format. I checked out the wiki and it said: On K12LTSP 5 EL you need to edit this file first and change "lib" in the BASE path to "lib64". Did this and then ran: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh Still defaulting to OO format. So i looked inside the /usr/lib64 folder.. All it had in there was a mozilla folder. So i changed the /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh back from lib64 to lib. Then i tried the script again. I logged in as an end user and it still defaulted to OO format. Any ideas? Thanks, Jamie From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Nov 19 21:44:29 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:44:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Website In-Reply-To: <4923FE27.C1D4.0011.0@mcpasd.k12.wi.us> References: <4923FE27.C1D4.0011.0@mcpasd.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: <492488BD.5030001@scheie.homedns.org> There are many schools around the world using LTSP, including hundreds in the US. There used to be an online map where people could post their installations, but the map provider added all kinds of weird bells & whistles and it fell into disuse. I know of a couple of installations in the Milwaukee area and I'm sure the admins would be delighted to show you their setups. Contact me off-list if you're interested in seeing them. Not sure about the k12os.org website; www.k12ltsp.org and k12linux, which focus on use and development of LTSP in school settings seem to be up. Peter Garrett Novotny wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm just joined this mailing list and am trying to find out more on what the opensource community has to offer for K-12 schools. Are there many schools in the US using LTSP? If you have any examples, the number of clients/students would be a great help and maybe some contact info. > > Also I noticed that the http://www.k12os.org website is down. What's the status on that? > > Thanks, > Garrett > > -- > Technology Support Specialist > Middleton-Cross Plains Area School District > Middleton, WI > > > -- > Garrett Novotny > Technician - Technology Services > Middleton-Cross Plains Area School District > 7106 South Avenue - Middleton, WI 53562 > [email] gnovotny at mcpasd.k12.wi.us > [http] www.mcpasd.k12.wi.us > [voice] 608.829.9036 - Help Desk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Nov 19 21:47:15 2008 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:47:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP - Requiring and facilitating password change at first logon Message-ID: <49248963.5050009@snarlnet.com> Hey, I've gotten a SMBLDAP server going on Centos. I think it works really well through all the testing I've done. I'm about to convert people over to using it. What's the best way for making the kids change the PW at first login (I didn't assign very good passwords when I set up the accounts and now I'm worrying about it.) Is there a GUI way to do this? Is there a way in LDAP to keep a person in the DB but not let them log into workstations? Like to toggle some sort of "active" field in the db? Oh, BTW all the workstations are Ubuntu 8.04, I'm hoping that simplifies things. Thanks, ck From stretchem at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 01:20:37 2008 From: stretchem at gmail.com (M Rathburn) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:20:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] You can't have LTSP and network too In-Reply-To: <4FD360D3-1E0E-4EC9-B24D-C17685DC0D65@thealmquists.net> Message-ID: <4924bb66.2536640a.239f.4028@mx.google.com> > On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:59 PM, M Rathburn wrote: > > > After F9 install with reboot, eth0 got DHCP address 192.168.1.117, > > eth1 is statically set to 192.168.1.25. NetworkManager is > on, but the > > eth1 network interface was inactive. Networking was only working > > through eth0. Had to do 'chkconfig network on' to get the > two network > > interfaces to activate on startup. Rebooted. Networking > is working > > fine for both interfaces. > >> > > What you describe above makes me think that eth0 might > actually facing the outside of your network and eth1 is > facing your clients. > FC 9 might detect your NICs in a different order than RHEL/CENTOS. > The other thing to check, did you restart the computer or the > NetworkManger service too? The other thing you may have to do > first, especially on a stock install of FC 9, is to do all > the updates first. Yes, this was exactly the problem. Installs of K12Linux CentOS5 configured the two interfaces differently from what the installs of F9 did. ie: CentOS5 said eth0 was network card #1, while F9 said eth0 was network card #2. A little gotcha if you're not paying attention. Thanks Almquist! -Mike Rathburn Children First Florida From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 01:32:31 2008 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:02:31 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] You can't have LTSP and network too In-Reply-To: <4924bb66.2536640a.239f.4028@mx.google.com> References: <4FD360D3-1E0E-4EC9-B24D-C17685DC0D65@thealmquists.net> <4924bb66.2536640a.239f.4028@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <774593a20811191732q57a4a03br1fa2d1ee1a7f8223@mail.gmail.com> 2008/11/20 M Rathburn : >> FC 9 might detect your NICs in a different order than RHEL/CENTOS. >> The other thing to check, did you restart the computer or the >> NetworkManger service too? The other thing you may have to do >> first, especially on a stock install of FC 9, is to do all >> the updates first. > > Yes, this was exactly the problem. Installs of K12Linux CentOS5 configured > the two interfaces differently from what the installs of F9 did. ie: > CentOS5 said eth0 was network card #1, while F9 said eth0 was network card > #2. In some hardware + software combinations the boards keeping getting recognized randomly as eth0 & eth1. In such cases you can fix a particular interface to always get recognized consistently by editing interface file by adding hwaddr statement like: hwaddr 00:1a:6b:6c:39:48 -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. In case you are already doing this ..... great, spread the message. From gert.vandenreyt at openict.be Thu Nov 20 12:10:26 2008 From: gert.vandenreyt at openict.be (Gert Vandenreyt) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:10:26 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound module for ebox 2500 Message-ID: <492553B2.7070803@openict.be> Hi All, I'm having touble getting sound to work with my ebox 2500 clients. When booting the client in puppy linux, sound works fine, lsmod shows the sound module is snd-hda-intel. If I specify this module in lts.conf, and boot as thin client, sound does not work: /dev/dsp : no such file or directory Accepting connections top port 16001 If I try telnet to 16001 -> permission denied Sound does work for several other thin clients, only not for this ebox 2500. Here's my lts.conf: [Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.254 XRAMPERC = 90 XSERVER = "auto" X4_MODULE_01 = glx X4_MODULE_02 = vnc X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS = "off" XkbSymbols = "be-latin1" XkbModel = "pc101" XkbLayout = "be" USE_XFS = N LOCAL_APPS = N SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = shell LOCAL_STORAGE = Y LTSPFSD_OPTIONS="" SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" VOLUME = 100 USE_NBD_SWAP=Y SWAPFILE_SIZE= 128MB [44:4d:50:e1:de:79] SMODULE_01 = "sis7019" [44:4D:50:02:ED:42] SMODULE_01 = "snd-hda-intel" [00:0B:DB:86:4F:36] SMODULE_01 = "i810_audio" From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Thu Nov 20 12:53:14 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:53:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP - Requiring and facilitating password change at first logon In-Reply-To: <49248963.5050009@snarlnet.com> References: <49248963.5050009@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <49255DBA.8040308@biochemfluidics.com> I don't know how to force that. But you could *tell* them to do it, and then run a script the next day that attempts to log in each student using the password that you assigned. If it's successful, it can then change/disable the password, or email you, or put their name on a list, or something. That way you'll know who didn't follow instructions. -Rob Carl Keil wrote: > Hey, > > I've gotten a SMBLDAP server going on Centos. I think it works really > well through all the testing I've done. I'm about to convert people > over to using it. What's the best way for making the kids change the PW > at first login (I didn't assign very good passwords when I set up the > accounts and now I'm worrying about it.) Is there a GUI way to do this? > > Is there a way in LDAP to keep a person in the DB but not let them log > into workstations? Like to toggle some sort of "active" field in the db? > > Oh, BTW all the workstations are Ubuntu 8.04, I'm hoping that simplifies > things. > > Thanks, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Thu Nov 20 13:30:10 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:30:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap - using a separate /home file server In-Reply-To: <10651245.10351227116693279.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> References: <10651245.10351227116693279.JavaMail.root@zimbra.thegeek.nu> Message-ID: <49256662.4040802@biochemfluidics.com> I hadn't thought about redefining $HOME to a local resource for the few local admins. I'll give that some thought. I don't want to SMB mount $HOME. I want SMB access to $HOME from Windows. I'll use NFS if I want to provide $HOME to another Linux server. Two things I failed to mention in my original post: 1) There is no need for users to log in directly to authentication server, so having $HOME files for them there is pointless (even if it is just over NFS). 2) I'm trying to package the authentication server as a virtual machine, to be distributed to a few different companies. So I want to reduce its interaction/dependency on other machines. This is why I'm hesitant to NFS mount /home -- I'd have to specify an IP address of the NFS server, which will be different in every installation. I'm trying to keep it as simple and modular as possible. -Rob David L. Willson wrote: > Statement: It seems to me to be easier to redefine $HOME to a local resource for the few local admin users and continue the "normal" NFS mount of /home for the rest, than to network mount $HOME, but over a different protocol, for everyone. > > Question: Have I misunderstood what you're trying to do? As I read your message, you want to SMB mount $HOME for everyone, rather than NFS mount /home for the whole system. Is that right? > > Suggestion: Or, couldn't you just create home folders for the local admin users in the /home directory on the root partition, and then only use them when the network is down. They wouldn't affect you when the network is up and /home is NFS mounted. > > I recommend strongly against SMB mounting $HOME. SMB permissions and *nix file permissions are not identical. NFS perms and *nix file perms are identical. Either way, you're network dependent, but SMB buys you an un-needed level of complexity. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Owens" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:38:08 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap - using a separate /home file server > > I'd like to have samba/ldap authentication, but I want my user's home > directories on a separate server. I do not want to NFS mount /home on > the samba/ldap server, because I want to ensure that the local admin > users have access to a home folder even if the network is down. > > On the samba/ldap server, I'd like to eliminate the [homes] share. On > the file server, of course, I would create a [homes] share. > > Can anyone tell me how to accomplish this? > > -Rob > ******************************************************** > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy > version. > > ******************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From chuck at qwk2lrn.net Thu Nov 20 16:06:06 2008 From: chuck at qwk2lrn.net (Charles M Hale) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:06:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool wont auto startup in ICEWM in a workspace > 1 In-Reply-To: References: <7fa65cc20811171052v594503e1n19f8a3b51d116627@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7fa65cc20811200806o7cd371e2j333d989aabd59f5f@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the help. I made the changes, recompiled the program and as expected, the Window Name is now 'Fl_TeacherTool'. However, I still did not achieve getting teachertool to start in any workspace but the first one. In researching the problem further, it appears that there is bug report that the 'winoptions file' does not get parsed in icewm 1.3 and may have stopped working after 1.2.30. We are using 1.2.36 having upgraded to it from 1.2.27 last month. I don't think I'll go back but wait to see if the bug report get resolved. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > 2008/11/17 Charles M Hale : > > We are using Fl_TeacherTool with the ICEWM window's manager and we are > > trying to startup Fl_TeacherTool in a workspace other than the primary > > workspace. > > ICEWM has a very good facility for doing this; its the 'winoptions' file > in > > the .icewm subdirectory. > > Its seems that our directive of .workspace: number> > > is being iignored. > > We have Fl_TeacherTool starting up in workspace 1. We would like it to > > startup in workspace 2 or 3. > > We noted that when Fl_TeacherTool starts, we has 'Fl_Teachertool @ > > hostname>' as the identifying text in the window, we/ve use all possible > > combinations for our and Fl_TeacherTool continues to startup > in > > the first workspace. > > I think I figured it out. At least I hope I did. I have a fix. I hope. > This is an interesting problem. Have a look at the documentation for icewm > > http://www.icewm.org/manual/icewm-14.html#winoptions > > "It's possible that an application's class and/or name contains the > dot character (".") used by IceWM to separate class, name and role > values. To lock it, precede it with the backslash character. In the > following example, we suppose an application's window has the.class as > its class value and the.name as its name value : > the\.class.the\.name.option: argument" > > The problem arises because my program grabs the hostame (which usually > has a "." in it and tacks that onto the window name". So the "." is > not escaped. The only solution I have is to get rid of the @hostame > part of the window name in my code. > > So search for these two lines in fl_teachertool.cxx (it's in the main > function) > > host=getstdout("echo $HOSTNAME","Error: Could not get Hostname"); > host.insert(0, "Fl_TeacherTool @ "); > > and just replace it with > > host="Fl_TeacherTool"; > > Hopefully that will solve the problem. > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get Fl_TeacherTool to start > in a > > workspace other than the first one. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stretchem at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 16:42:37 2008 From: stretchem at gmail.com (M Rathburn) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:42:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here In-Reply-To: <47210.216.24.126.66.1227024410.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <4925937d.4467260a.59b0.7670@mx.google.com> > Hello All, > > Available for download, fl_teachertool-0.62.rpm. Please pardon my ignorance on this, but I'm having some trouble following this. I've read the README, retrieved the GPG key and set up my teacher group as specified. System is F9 with LTSP5 installed and working with a TC. Also have vncserver installed and working. Here's what I'm getting: [root at ltsp ~]# yum install fl_teachertool Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments No package fl_teachertool available. Nothing to do So I went to the site suggested and downloaded the rpm. Then I get this: [root at ltsp ~]# rpm -Uvh fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1.i386.rpm error: Failed dependencies: libfltk.so.1.1 is needed by fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1.i386 libfltk_images.so.1.1 is needed by fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1.i386 ltsp is needed by fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1.i386 The instructions provided says dependencies will be retrieved for me. However, the dependencies I see above aren't the same dependencies that are available for download from the site provided. What have I done wrong? I would particularly like to be able to yum install it if possible. Thanks. -Mike Rathburn Children First Florida From robark at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 17:21:52 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:21:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here In-Reply-To: <4925937d.4467260a.59b0.7670@mx.google.com> References: <47210.216.24.126.66.1227024410.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <4925937d.4467260a.59b0.7670@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:42 AM, M Rathburn wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> Available for download, fl_teachertool-0.62.rpm. > > Please pardon my ignorance on this, but I'm having some trouble following > this. I've read the README, retrieved the GPG key and set up my teacher > group as specified. > > System is F9 with LTSP5 installed and working with a TC. Also Sorry, there is currently no version of fl_teachertool that works with F9 and ltsp5. The rpm which Barry packaged is for k12ltsp5EL (which uses ltsp4.2) I have been unable to get x11vnc installed and working in the F9 client chroot. If someone can do this I may be able to release a version for F9 in the future. have > vncserver installed and working. Here's what I'm getting: > > [root at ltsp ~]# yum install fl_teachertool > Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit > Setting up Install Process > Parsing package install arguments > No package fl_teachertool available. > Nothing to do > > So I went to the site suggested and downloaded the rpm. Then I get this: > > [root at ltsp ~]# rpm -Uvh fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1.i386.rpm > error: Failed dependencies: > libfltk.so.1.1 is needed by fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1.i386 > libfltk_images.so.1.1 is needed by fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1.i386 > ltsp is needed by fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1.i386 > > The instructions provided says dependencies will be retrieved for me. > However, the dependencies I see above aren't the same dependencies that are > available for download from the site provided. > > What have I done wrong? I would particularly like to be able to yum install > it if possible. Thanks. > > -Mike Rathburn > Children First Florida > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From nils at breun.nl Thu Nov 20 18:27:07 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:27:07 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here In-Reply-To: <4925937d.4467260a.59b0.7670@mx.google.com> References: <4925937d.4467260a.59b0.7670@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <063E5B41-0A5D-4B96-BCA7-C837A547AAD1@breun.nl> M Rathburn wrote: > So I went to the site suggested and downloaded the rpm. Then I get > this: > > [root at ltsp ~]# rpm -Uvh fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1.i386.rpm > error: Failed dependencies: > libfltk.so.1.1 is needed by fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1.i386 > libfltk_images.so.1.1 is needed by fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1.i386 > ltsp is needed by fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1.i386 > > The instructions provided says dependencies will be retrieved for me. > However, the dependencies I see above aren't the same dependencies > that are > available for download from the site provided. > > What have I done wrong? I would particularly like to be able to yum > install > it if possible. Thanks. Another reply says this rpm won't work on your setup, but in general: rpm doesn't retrieve dependencies, that's what yum does. You can tell yum to install a locally downloaded rpm and resolve dependencies like this: yum localinstall some.rpm Nils Breunese. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Thu Nov 20 19:06:27 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:06:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here Message-ID: <58916.216.24.126.66.1227207987.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Mike, Please re download the fl_teachertool-0.62.i386.rpm again from the website. Sorry I missed one dependencies that was needed. When you run the rpm you just downloaded this time, it will automagically pull down the fltk "stuff" it wants via yum. Please let us know how it goes. Thanks. Take Care, Barry Cisna From nils at breun.nl Thu Nov 20 19:16:31 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:16:31 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here In-Reply-To: <4925b07b.0405be0a.532e.ffffb977@mx.google.com> References: <4925b07b.0405be0a.532e.ffffb977@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4D2676F7-5F8B-4B3B-AA4A-E38A605A2561@breun.nl> M Rathburn wrote: >> Another reply says this rpm won't work on your setup, but in >> general: >> rpm doesn't retrieve dependencies, that's what yum does. You >> can tell yum to install a locally downloaded rpm and resolve >> dependencies like >> this: yum localinstall some.rpm > > Good info Nils! Will a local install using yum resolve dependencies > if > they're not pre-downloaded? Yes, just check 'man yum': localinstall Is used to install a set of local rpm files. If required the enabled repositories will be used to resolve dependencies. > or does everything need to be downloaded and sitting in the same > directory? In that case you don't need yum, you could just run 'rpm -U *.rpm'. Nils Breunese. P.S. Your reply-to address seems to be missing an 'l'. From whatch at anwsu.org Thu Nov 20 19:16:40 2008 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:16:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] export users & groups Message-ID: <49257148020000D40000DAFA@fs2.anwsu.org> I have Webmin going on both my k12 box and my edubuntu box. When I try to export a batch file of users I get this error: Failed to open output file : $! >>> Barry R Cisna 11/19/08 3:58 PM >>> Hi Will, Webmin is your friend here. Install Webmin on both servers via the rpm. Export your users/groups on your current server with the users & groups module in Webmin. Copy this saved file,to your new Edubuntu server someplace, then do a batch file import within the Webmin module. No sense in torturing yourself with all the "re-entry" stuff,,:-) Take Care, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you're not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. 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From stretchem at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 19:19:16 2008 From: stretchem at gmail.com (M Rathburn) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:19:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here In-Reply-To: <58916.216.24.126.66.1227207987.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <4925b834.8905be0a.5d27.ffffbe3c@mx.google.com> > Please re download the fl_teachertool-0.62.i386.rpm again > from the website. > Sorry I missed one dependencies that was needed. > When you run the rpm you just downloaded this time, it will > automagically pull down the fltk "stuff" it wants via yum. > Please let us know how it goes. Thanks. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > Is this irrespective of Robert's comment that FL_TeacherTool will not work with Fedora9 and LTSP5? Thanks. From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Nov 20 19:45:13 2008 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:45:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP - Requiring and facilitating password Message-ID: <4925BE49.5040008@snarlnet.com> Rob, Thank you for your reply. I think I'd be OK with just telling people they needed to do it. If someone cracks their account and messes around it'll be a learning experience for them. I'm not clear on how ordinary users change their password in the SMBLDAP scheme though. Does "passwd" work? Is there a GUI? These people are on clients, not the server. And I want it to change the password in the LDAP database. Thanks, ck > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:53:14 -0500 From: Rob Owens > Subject: Re: SMBLDAP - Requiring and > facilitating password change at first logon To: "Support list for open > source software in schools." Message-ID: > <49255DBA.8040308 at biochemfluidics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know how to force that. But you could > *tell* them to do it, and then run a script the next day that attempts > to log in each student using the password that you assigned. If it's > successful, it can then change/disable the password, or email you, or > put their name on a list, or something. That way you'll know who > didn't follow instructions. -Rob Carl Keil wrote: >> > Hey, >> > >> > I've gotten a SMBLDAP server going on Centos. I think it works really >> > well through all the testing I've done. I'm about to convert people >> > over to using it. What's the best way for making the kids change the PW >> > at first login (I didn't assign very good passwords when I set up the >> > accounts and now I'm worrying about it.) Is there a GUI way to do this? >> > >> > Is there a way in LDAP to keep a person in the DB but not let them log >> > into workstations? Like to toggle some sort of "active" field in the db? >> > >> > Oh, BTW all the workstations are Ubuntu 8.04, I'm hoping that simplifies >> > things. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > ck From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Thu Nov 20 20:23:14 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:23:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP - Requiring and facilitating password In-Reply-To: <4925BE49.5040008@snarlnet.com> References: <4925BE49.5040008@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <4925C732.5090104@biochemfluidics.com> Last time I tried, "passwd" did not work. "smbpasswd" did work, though. Additionally, changing their password from a Windows machine supposedly works (but I didn't test that). I don't know of a GUI for this. You could probably write a quick one using zenity. Zenity makes it really easy to create dialog boxes. Go to System, Help, and search for zenity. I'll see if I can piece together a script tomorrow. Don't hold your breath, though -- I'm not an expert. -Rob Carl Keil wrote: > Rob, > > Thank you for your reply. > I think I'd be OK with just telling people they needed to do it. If > someone cracks their account and messes around it'll be a learning > experience for them. > > I'm not clear on how ordinary users change their password in the SMBLDAP > scheme though. Does "passwd" work? Is there a GUI? These people are > on clients, not the server. And I want it to change the password in the > LDAP database. > > Thanks, > > ck > > > >> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:53:14 -0500 From: Rob Owens >> Subject: Re: SMBLDAP - Requiring and >> facilitating password change at first logon To: "Support list for open >> source software in schools." Message-ID: >> <49255DBA.8040308 at biochemfluidics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know how to force that. But you could >> *tell* them to do it, and then run a script the next day that attempts >> to log in each student using the password that you assigned. If it's >> successful, it can then change/disable the password, or email you, or >> put their name on a list, or something. That way you'll know who >> didn't follow instructions. -Rob Carl Keil wrote: >>> > Hey, >>> > > I've gotten a SMBLDAP server going on Centos. I think it works >>> really >>> > well through all the testing I've done. I'm about to convert people >>> > over to using it. What's the best way for making the kids change >>> the PW >>> > at first login (I didn't assign very good passwords when I set up the >>> > accounts and now I'm worrying about it.) Is there a GUI way to do >>> this? >>> > > Is there a way in LDAP to keep a person in the DB but not let >>> them log >>> > into workstations? Like to toggle some sort of "active" field in >>> the db? >>> > > Oh, BTW all the workstations are Ubuntu 8.04, I'm hoping that >>> simplifies >>> > things. >>> > > Thanks, >>> > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From nils at breun.nl Thu Nov 20 20:35:59 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:35:59 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here In-Reply-To: <58916.216.24.126.66.1227207987.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <58916.216.24.126.66.1227207987.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <1B394791-98DE-4607-AC25-25CB291336B0@breun.nl> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Please re download the fl_teachertool-0.62.i386.rpm again from the > website. > Sorry I missed one dependencies that was needed. > When you run the rpm you just downloaded this time, it will > automagically > pull down the fltk "stuff" it wants via yum. An rpm that installs its own dependencies by calling yum? Wow, I'm pretty sure that wouldn't pass any packaging guidelines, but yeah, it probably possible... Nils Breunese. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Thu Nov 20 21:10:05 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:10:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here Message-ID: <1227215405.15314.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Mark, The newest I have had available to try on is FC7 and it worked fine. I haven't seen if the build tree for FC9 has changed so I can not honestly say. One thing about it, I can assure you it will not kill any other configs if you'd like to try it. I'd be curious to know if it does work on FC9? If it does not work you can simply do ' rpm -e --nodeps fl_teachertool ' and it will be removed. And yes it does pull down the dependencies, via yum it needs. About everything I install from a single .rpm ends up having to pull down something from the FC#, or CentOS# yum repos,to make it happen. No different in this case. I would guess this is in the rpm packaging guidelines:-) Try installing totem-xine from its own rpm:). Take Care, Barry Cisna From peter at scheie.homedns.org Fri Nov 21 02:18:51 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:18:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here In-Reply-To: <1227215405.15314.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1227215405.15314.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49261A8B.1080906@scheie.homedns.org> While the package may install, I doubt that it will work because, as Robert said, the x11vnc doesn't (yet) work in the client chroot in LTSP 5 on Fedora. Peter Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hi Mark, > > The newest I have had available to try on is FC7 and it worked fine. I > haven't seen if the build tree for FC9 has changed so I can not honestly > say. One thing about it, I can assure you it will not kill any other > configs if you'd like to try it. I'd be curious to know if it does work > on FC9? If it does not work you can simply do > ' rpm -e --nodeps fl_teachertool ' and it will be removed. > And yes it does pull down the dependencies, via yum it needs. About > everything I install from a single .rpm ends up having to pull down > something from the FC#, or CentOS# yum repos,to make it happen. No > different in this case. I would guess this is in the rpm packaging > guidelines:-) Try installing totem-xine from its own rpm:). > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mel at melwade.com Fri Nov 21 02:45:40 2008 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:45:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] GRUB? In-Reply-To: <91851c330811190213j631e4645y8cb3dd2dbc616992@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460811181725k3d5d1697jb868c73739fd5bff@mail.gmail.com> <91851c330811190213j631e4645y8cb3dd2dbc616992@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460811201845q22f6b57cibb873071f2ee82fd@mail.gmail.com> With only the GRUB prompt how can you determin the version you have? 2008/11/19 Manoj Kumar > >From the grub> prompt, type the following to boot the server > 1. grub> root (hdx,y) > where x is the hard disk containing /boot > y is the partition number of /boot > 2. grub> kernel /vmlinuz- ro root= partition> > type the appropriate kernel to boot & the device file name of root > partition > eg., > grub> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-8.el5 ro root=/dev/sda2 > 3. grub> /initrd-.img > type the appropriate initrd version > 4. grub> boot > > Perform the above 4 steps & see if the server boots. If it boots then open > /boot/grub/grub.conf and make the neccessary changes or if the file is > missing create one > > Thanks > Manoj > > 2008/11/19 Mel Wade > >> I did some updates and then rebooted the server. Now all I'm getting is >> a grub prompt. Not sure where to go from here... >> >> -- >> Mel Wade >> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF >> Skinner >> http://www.melwade.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would guess this > is in the rpm packaging > guidelines:-) Try installing totem-xine from its own rpm:). > Tried installing anyways on F9, and getting this error: Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/pixmaps/apple-red.png from install of fl_teachertool-0.62-RC1.i386 conflicts with file from package gnome-desktop-2.22.3-1.fc9.i386 From robark at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 02:53:00 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:53:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62 rpm download here In-Reply-To: <49261A8B.1080906@scheie.homedns.org> References: <1227215405.15314.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49261A8B.1080906@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Peter Scheie wrote: > While the package may install, I doubt that it will work because, as Robert > said, the x11vnc doesn't (yet) work in the client chroot in LTSP 5 on > Fedora. > I can get most things working on ltsp 5 with a little modification of my source code. But snapshots, monitor/control will not work without x11vnc. Part of the problem is that there is no x11vnc package to install via yum on Fedora. So we have to build it in the client chroot. I tried it once or twice without luck. If someone can get x11vnc working then it would be possible to get fl_teachertool working fully. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Fri Nov 21 12:38:16 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:38:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP - Requiring and facilitating password In-Reply-To: <4925C732.5090104@biochemfluidics.com> References: <4925BE49.5040008@snarlnet.com> <4925C732.5090104@biochemfluidics.com> Message-ID: <4926ABB8.4000006@biochemfluidics.com> Hmm, this is a little more complicated than I thought. I came up with a simpler idea though. Create a custom launcher (for Gnome) that runs smbpasswd in a terminal. Here it is, as text and as an attachment: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Version=1.0 Type=Application Terminal=true Icon[en_US]=/usr/share/pixmaps/password.png Name[en_US]=Password Exec=/usr/bin/smbpasswd Comment[en_US]=Change your Samba password Name=Password Comment=Change your Samba password Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/password.png If you want to provide some additional text for instructions, you can make the launcher call myscript.sh instead of smbpasswd. myscript.sh would then be something like: #!/bin/bash echo "This utility will change your Linux and Windows password. Please answer the following questions" /usr/bin/smbpasswd -Rob Rob Owens wrote: > Last time I tried, "passwd" did not work. "smbpasswd" did work, though. > Additionally, changing their password from a Windows machine supposedly > works (but I didn't test that). > > I don't know of a GUI for this. You could probably write a quick one > using zenity. Zenity makes it really easy to create dialog boxes. > Go to System, Help, and search for zenity. > > I'll see if I can piece together a script tomorrow. Don't hold your > breath, though -- I'm not an expert. > > -Rob > > > Carl Keil wrote: >> Rob, >> >> Thank you for your reply. >> I think I'd be OK with just telling people they needed to do it. If >> someone cracks their account and messes around it'll be a learning >> experience for them. >> >> I'm not clear on how ordinary users change their password in the SMBLDAP >> scheme though. Does "passwd" work? Is there a GUI? These people are >> on clients, not the server. And I want it to change the password in the >> LDAP database. >> >> Thanks, >> >> ck >> >> >> >>> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:53:14 -0500 From: Rob Owens >>> Subject: Re: SMBLDAP - Requiring and >>> facilitating password change at first logon To: "Support list for open >>> source software in schools." Message-ID: >>> <49255DBA.8040308 at biochemfluidics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; >>> charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know how to force that. But you could >>> *tell* them to do it, and then run a script the next day that attempts >>> to log in each student using the password that you assigned. If it's >>> successful, it can then change/disable the password, or email you, or >>> put their name on a list, or something. That way you'll know who >>> didn't follow instructions. -Rob Carl Keil wrote: >>>>> Hey, >>>>>> I've gotten a SMBLDAP server going on Centos. I think it works >>>> really >>>>> well through all the testing I've done. I'm about to convert people >>>>> over to using it. What's the best way for making the kids change >>>> the PW >>>>> at first login (I didn't assign very good passwords when I set up the >>>>> accounts and now I'm worrying about it.) Is there a GUI way to do >>>> this? >>>>>> Is there a way in LDAP to keep a person in the DB but not let >>>> them log >>>>> into workstations? Like to toggle some sort of "active" field in >>>> the db? >>>>>> Oh, BTW all the workstations are Ubuntu 8.04, I'm hoping that >>>> simplifies >>>>> things. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> ck >> __________ ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. 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So you end up with the following, /dir/users Now click on button 'Export users ' at the bottom and at the top you'll see ### users successfully exported. Take Care, Barry Cisna From whatch at anwsu.org Fri Nov 21 13:24:25 2008 From: whatch at anwsu.org (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:24:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] export users & groups In-Reply-To: <1227271154.25043.7.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1227271154.25043.7.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <4926706B.0948.00D4.0@anwsu.org> I followed your directions Barry, and it exported fine. I moved it to my edubuntu test machine, and went through the import process. That seemed to work fine too. However, when I look in the Gnome Users & Groups, none of the users I imported show up. I tried to log in as one of these users, no luck. Their home directories did transfer - when I look in /home they are all there. What did I miss? >>> Barry Cisna 11/21/2008 7:39:14 am >>> Hi Will, When exporting users,and you browse to the folder you want to save your users file to: CHECK-(Save users to a file) and click on the browse button ..., you end with something similar to the following in the line; /dir You need to append a forward slash / and a file name ' users '. So you end up with the following, /dir/users Now click on button 'Export users ' at the bottom and at the top you'll see ### users successfully exported. Take Care, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see *********************************** PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. 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From glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Fri Nov 21 15:14:49 2008 From: glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:14:49 -0500 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20GRUB=3F?= References: <43080f460811181725k3d5d1697jb868c73739fd5bff@mail.gmail.com> <91851c330811190213j631e4645y8cb3dd2dbc616992@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460811201845q22f6b57cibb873071f2ee82fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081121T101449Z_40C500070000@cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Hi Mel, Grub is a micro operating system with its own cli with command line completion. As stated before, at the grub prompt: 1- grub > root (hd0,0) At this moment, the disc is mounted 2-type grub > kernel /boot/TAB this is the TAB key that invokes the command line completion and it will dump the list of possible files including the vmlinuz kernel files, choose the most logical version and complete with a short parameter list, so you should have something like: kernel /boot/vmlinuz.... ro root=/dev/hda1 3- do the same for the initrd: grub> initrd /boot/TAB... with no arguments then the great command: grub> boot Bonne chance. >>> "Mel Wade" 2008-11-20 21:45:40 >>> With only the GRUB prompt how can you determin the version you have? 2008/11/19 Manoj Kumar >From the grub> prompt, type the following to boot the server 1. grub> root (hdx,y) where x is the hard disk containing /boot y is the partition number of /boot 2. grub> kernel /vmlinuz- ro root= type the appropriate kernel to boot & the device file name of root partition eg., grub> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-8.el5 ro root=/dev/sda2 3. grub> /initrd-.img type the appropriate initrd version 4. grub> boot Perform the above 4 steps & see if the server boots. 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Boot your server from this,then you can see the 'innards' and the /boot dir of this server. From this point you'll be able to see what your %vmlinuz% number is and so forth. Once you make your edits to grub, reboot and pull your Knoppix CD. Keep doing this "till you get it right",At least you wont have to do a re-install of the whole OS. Barry Cisna From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 17:10:40 2008 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:10:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Once again how to install K12LTSP into Centos 5.2 Message-ID: <8b88203f0811210910s4570880cped1d65f5370f364@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everyone, I'm unable to google with success the mail archive for the steps of installing K12LTSP into a Centos 5.2 install. The trouble is that I need the new Centos 5.2 due to newer sata and eth modules in its newer 5.2 kernel... I just can't use the K12LTSP5 EL dvd. Dratt! 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When I run smbldap-useradd -m -d /ldaphomes/ testuser testuser on S1, the command runs successfully and the home directory is created but it is created as nobody:nogroup for owner and group. Does anyone know what script I need to modify in order for each user home directory to be created as owner:group of the user I am creating and permissions 0700? Thanks From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 18:00:03 2008 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:00:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Once again how to install K12LTSP into Centos 5.2 Message-ID: <8b88203f0811211000y49a78ecu42ce35ba2b768148@mail.gmail.com> I don't need 5.2 specific... Just the steps for k12 on top of centos 5. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Fri Nov 21 19:26:27 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:26:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBLDAP Directory Permissions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49270B63.7030609@biochemfluidics.com> Nicolas Roussi wrote: > Hi, I am very new to LDAP and I need some initial help with a couple of > issues. I have an LDAP server (S1) that is used only to hold usenames, > passwords etc. > I have an LTSP server that I set up as an LDAP client (S2) and > authenticates to the LDAP server. The authentication is working > perfectly and I used the smbldap scripts. The problem is that S2 needs > to have all user directories stored on it. Therefore, I exported > /ldaphomes from S2 and mounted it on S1. The permissions on S2 for > /ldaphomes is 0777 and each subdirectory that I want for my users should > be 0700. When I run smbldap-useradd -m -d /ldaphomes/testuser testuser > on S1, the command runs successfully and the home directory is created > but it is created as nobody:nogroup for owner and group. Does anyone > know what script I need to modify in order for each user home directory > to be created as owner:group of the user I am creating and permissions > 0700? > smbldap-useradd should give you the appropriate permissions for the home directory. I suspect this is an NFS problem. I think what's happening is root on S1 is trying to create folders on S2, but S2 doesn't "recognize" S1's root user privileges. In order to overcome this, you need to export /ldaphomes with the no_root_squash option. Or instead of that, is there a way to run smbldap-useradd from S2, and have it modify the ldap database on S1? I don't see that as an option in the man page, but if it could be done you'd be using S2's local root user and the permissions should get set correctly. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. 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From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Nov 22 01:18:58 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:18:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] video on LTSP Message-ID: <1227316738.25603.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Bob, Have you tried running different type videos on your fc6 server at all besides these you are speaking of? We do not have any probs running realistic encoded videos on even Ebox2300 clients.Our school is subscribed to United Streaming ( money pit) and TC's run these fine as long as there aren't a room full of kids doing them all at once. Of course the quality is not TV quality,but plenty adequate.This seems very strange behaviour for a stand alone player to crash. Did you install both vlc and Totem via yum? Did you encode these using mencoder, or? Of course once in a while we do get FF embedded videos to crash FF. Very seldom,though,anymore. Take Care, Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Nov 22 04:23:02 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:23:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound module for ebox 2500 Message-ID: <1227327782.1919.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Gert, >From what you posted ,if you see the " Accepting connections on port 16001",just a couple lines before this you should see 'xyz sound module loaded'. Also it seems odd if it says /dev/dsp: no directory? When you done the lspci was this in Puppy or when booted up into ltsp at a shell prompt? Barry Cisna From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Nov 22 05:45:57 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:45:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] video on LTSP In-Reply-To: <492729BC.7030601@lane.k12.or.us> References: <492729BC.7030601@lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <49279C95.6070902@cmosnetworks.com> First, get off of Fedora Core 6; you're asking--begging--for a system compromise. It hasn't been supported for nearly a year now! I strongly recommend K12LTSP 5EL, based on CentOS 5, which looks virtually identical to FC6. After you do that... ...then check out your server port on your switch to see how much bandwidth is actually being used when you try to view these videos. Also, note that Totem and MPlayer are not the same thing; I've found that Totem can have "issues" in LTSP environments that MPlayer doesn't seem to have. No, I don't know why; it's just what I've seen. And MPlayer is at version 1.0; there is no v2.16.5. _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Bob Mead wrote: > Hello all: > > I am having problems with watching videos using K12LTSP on Fedora Core > 6. I am at a school site and we have a teacher running a project with > students creating stop motion video (digital pictures) using > clay-mation. I have converted the images into video @ 400kbps and 5 > frame/sec. encoding (using either .flv and .mp4 formats) and cannot get > them to play using Totem (Mplayer v2.16.5) or vlc. Once converted into > a movie file, either of the two players will open the file and then > immediately shutdown. I can play the files in either format in Mplayer > on my Ubuntu desktop. > > My guess is that LTSP just can't support the bandwidth needed to stream > the files. Any suggestions on how to make this work on LTSP? > > Thanks in advance, > ~bob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Nov 22 16:40:48 2008 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:40:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Your favorite firefox extensions! Message-ID: Firefox is a great web browser. One of the great features is the ability to add "extensions" to add enhanced features and tools. I'm planning to write a nice long blog post about Firefox extensions in the near future. I'd like you to contribute! What better way to gather information than to ask the users! I have posted a Google form to gather some simple information about your favorite Firefox extensions and why you like them. Please help me out by contributing to the form. Access the form here and let me know all about your fave extensions! http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pE6J52amam9uROSNu4BbhNA David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From nils at breun.nl Sat Nov 22 19:13:30 2008 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:13:30 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Your favorite firefox extensions! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6496DCBE-E445-44C5-A50E-6A1D6DB420C9@breun.nl> David Trask wrote: > Firefox is a great web browser. One of the great features is the > ability > to add "extensions" to add enhanced features and tools. I'm planning > to > write a nice long blog post about Firefox extensions in the near > future. > I'd like you to contribute! What better way to gather information > than to > ask the users! Mozilla already provides ways to give feedback on addons on https://addons.mozilla.org/ You can leave comments with ratings, there are categories, lists of recommended addons, lists of popular addons, etc. Or are you specifically looking for addons that are useful in an educational environment? Nils Breunese. From carl at snarlnet.com Sat Nov 22 23:23:35 2008 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:23:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: video on LTSP Message-ID: <49289477.7010705@snarlnet.com> I always associated that "immediately shutting down" when playing video thing with either a lack of video RAM on the client or using the wrong video drivers. (Usually vesa when you could force a more appropriate choice.) What kind of video cards do these clients have. If it was a bandwidth thing it would be more likely to just play really slow and/or jerky. And when mplayer or totem can't find the right codec they usually complain about it. Oh, I should say that I'm far from the most knowledgeable guy on here. So YMMVIMHOBBQ and all that. ck > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:45:57 -0500 From: "Terrell Prud? Jr." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] video on LTSP To: > "Support list for open source software in schools." > Message-ID: <49279C95.6070902 at cmosnetworks.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" First, get off of > Fedora Core 6; you're asking--begging--for a system compromise. It > hasn't been supported for nearly a year now! I strongly recommend > K12LTSP 5EL, based on CentOS 5, which looks virtually identical to > FC6. After you do that... ...then check out your server port on your > switch to see how much bandwidth is actually being used when you try > to view these videos. Also, note that Totem and MPlayer are not the > same thing; I've found that Totem can have "issues" in LTSP > environments that MPlayer doesn't seem to have. No, I don't know why; > it's just what I've seen. And MPlayer is at version 1.0; there is no > v2.16.5. _______________________________ Do you GNU > ? Microsoft Free since 2003 > --the ultimate antivirus protection! Bob > Mead wrote: >> > Hello all: >> > >> > I am having problems with watching videos using K12LTSP on Fedora Core >> > 6. I am at a school site and we have a teacher running a project with >> > students creating stop motion video (digital pictures) using >> > clay-mation. I have converted the images into video @ 400kbps and 5 >> > frame/sec. encoding (using either .flv and .mp4 formats) and cannot get >> > them to play using Totem (Mplayer v2.16.5) or vlc. Once converted into >> > a movie file, either of the two players will open the file and then >> > immediately shutdown. I can play the files in either format in Mplayer >> > on my Ubuntu desktop. >> > >> > My guess is that LTSP just can't support the bandwidth needed to stream >> > the files. Any suggestions on how to make this work on LTSP? >> > >> > Thanks in advance, >> > ~bob >> > From morten at gmail.com Sun Nov 23 08:36:10 2008 From: morten at gmail.com (Morten Gausland) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:36:10 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: video on LTSP In-Reply-To: <49289477.7010705@snarlnet.com> References: <49289477.7010705@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: >> > Hello all: >> > >> > I am having problems with watching videos using K12LTSP on Fedora >> > Core 6. I am at a school site and we have a teacher running a >> > project with students creating stop motion video (digital pictures) >> > using clay-mation. I have converted the images into video @ 400kbps >> > and 5 frame/sec. encoding (using either .flv and .mp4 formats) and >> > cannot get them to play using Totem (Mplayer v2.16.5) or vlc. Once >> > converted into a movie file, either of the two players will open >> > the file and then immediately shutdown. I can play the files in >> > either format in Mplayer on my Ubuntu desktop. >> > >> > My guess is that LTSP just can't support the bandwidth needed to >> > stream the files. Any suggestions on how to make this work on LTSP? Does the same thing happen if you play the videos on the server, and not on a client? Some versions of vlc have problems playing video due to a bug in QT4. Try to start vlc from the command line using "vlc --no-embedded-video". For both Totem and vlc: start in a terminal window and see if you get an error message. Best regards, Morten From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Nov 24 13:24:01 2008 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:24:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool-0.62-RC2.i386.rpm download here Message-ID: <1227533041.31866.12.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello All, Available- fl_teachertool-0.6-2RC.i386.rpm for download. Now no root password and sudoers setup required. Create a group ' teachers ' in system-config-users and add whatever users you'd like to run fl_teachertool to this group,then install the rpm. It will simply 'just work'. Could someone that has an FC9 server as well as Ubuntu servers please report if this installs and runs correctly. The Monitor/Control module will definitely will not work as of yet on FC9. It would be greatly appreciated. Read the readme at the url for install. ftp://eazylivin.net/server/fl_teachertool-0.62 Barry Cisna WestCentral School #235 From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Mon Nov 24 13:43:56 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:43:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] deal on EeePC Message-ID: <492AAF9C.1050802@biochemfluidics.com> I'm posting this because I know some folks have mentioned using the EeePC as a thin client. www.newegg.com has a deal on Dec 1 where if you buy a Xerox 6130 color laser printer (currently $374, free shipping) you get a free EeePC (4G-BK029, 7" screen model). The printer's got good ratings, so it seems like a pretty sweet deal. -Rob ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From wtogami at redhat.com Tue Nov 25 03:40:39 2008 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:40:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help Needed: jetpipe testing Message-ID: <492B73B7.2040907@redhat.com> Is anyone successfully using jetpipe with F9 K12Linux? William Fragakis indicated that jetpipe was working for him until he updated his client chroot with the latest ltsp update. I personally have never used jetpipe and lack local printing hardware so I cannot test this easily. If you are currently successfully using jetpipe, could you please update your client chroot to the latest F9 updates and see if it still works? Peter Scheie and I want to go ahead with a K12Linux F9 final relesae, but I want to be sure this jetpipe issue is fixed before we go ahead. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Nov 25 12:10:25 2008 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:10:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] deal on EeePC Message-ID: <1227615025.9276.1.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Rob, Could you post a url for this combo package. I searched daily specials, combo packages at newegg and cant get to this one? Thanks, Barry From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Nov 25 12:29:50 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:29:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12Linux Quick Start Guide Message-ID: <492BEFBE.3060204@scheie.homedns.org> The latest version of the K12Linux Quick Start Guide ver. 3, formerly known as the README LTSP Server Setup, can be seen at http://petre.homedns.org/k12linux/k12linux-quick-start-guide/k12linux-quick-start-guide.html It is also available in an RPM at http://petre.homedns.org/k12linux/k12linux-quick-start-guide-0.0.3-1.fc9.noarch.rpm This QSG contains the instructions for enabling the LTSP networking on K12Linux. It is intended for use in both LiveUSB and installed-to-hard-disk situations (but not LTSP manually installed on top of Fedora). Please have a look at it and let me know if you see any mistakes or other issues. Thanks. Peter From gert.vandenreyt at openict.be Tue Nov 25 10:42:13 2008 From: gert.vandenreyt at openict.be (Gert Vandenreyt) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:42:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound module for ebox 2500 In-Reply-To: <1227327782.1919.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1227327782.1919.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <492BD685.6070709@openict.be> Barry R Cisna schreef: > Hi Gert, > > >From what you posted ,if you see the " Accepting connections on port > 16001",just a couple lines before this you should see 'xyz sound module > loaded'. Also it seems odd if it says /dev/dsp: no directory? > When you done the lspci was this in Puppy or when booted up into ltsp at > a shell prompt? > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > There's no line like 'sound module loaded' lspci in puppy: 00:00.0 Class 0600: 1106:0324 (rev 10) 00:00.1 Class 0600: 1106:1324 00:00.2 Class 0600: 1106:2324 00:00.3 Class 0600: 1106:3324 00:00.4 Class 0600: 1106:4324 00:00.7 Class 0600: 1106:7324 00:01.0 Class 0604: 1106:b198 00:08.0 Class 0200: 10ec:8139 (rev 10) 00:0f.0 Class 0101: 1106:5324 00:10.0 Class 0c03: 1106:3038 (rev 90) 00:10.1 Class 0c03: 1106:3038 (rev 90) 00:10.4 Class 0c03: 1106:3104 (rev 90) 00:11.0 Class 0601: 1106:8324 00:11.7 Class 0600: 1106:324e 00:13.0 Class 0604: 1106:324b 01:00.0 Class 0300: 1106:3157 (rev 03) 02:01.0 Class 0403: 1106:3288 (rev 10) lsmod in puppy: Module Size Used by snd_mixer_oss 16896 0 usblp 14080 0 snd_hda_intel 289308 0 snd_pcm 75656 1 snd_hda_intel snd_timer 22020 1 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 10120 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm snd_hwdep 9220 1 snd_hda_intel snd 52068 5 snd_mixer_oss,snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_hwdep soundcore 7520 1 snd i2c_viapro 9236 0 i2c_core 22032 1 i2c_viapro 8139too 25088 0 mii 5888 1 8139too via_agp 10240 0 agpgart 34128 1 via_agp fuse 44052 0 unionfs 83732 1 nls_iso8859_1 4224 0 nls_cp437 5888 0 usbhid 24928 0 usb_storage 83264 0 lspci, booted as thin client: 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 0324 (rev 10) 0000:00:00.1 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 1324 0000:00:00.2 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 2324 0000:00:00.3 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3324 0000:00:00.4 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 4324 0000:00:00.7 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 7324 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI Bridge 0000:00:08.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) 0000:00:0f.0 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 5324 0000:00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 90) 0000:00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 90) 0000:00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 90) 0000:00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 8324 0000:00:11.7 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 324e 0000:00:13.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 324b 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3157 (rev 03) 0000:02:01.0 0403: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10) lsmod, booted as thin client: Module Size Used by nls_iso8859_1 4224 1 nls_cp437 5888 1 autofs 15616 0 isofs 36800 0 zlib_inflate 17408 1 isofs vfat 12928 1 fat 52636 1 vfat ide_generic 1408 0 [permanent] sd_mod 18320 2 snd_hda_intel 18452 0 snd_hda_codec 137904 1 snd_hda_intel snd_pcm 85896 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 24068 1 snd_pcm snd 53376 4 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 10336 1 snd snd_page_alloc 10120 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm usbhid 40800 0 usbkbd 7040 0 usb_storage 71104 1 scsi_mod 98796 2 sd_mod,usb_storage ide_core 122532 2 ide_generic,usb_storage usbmouse 5632 0 ohci_hcd 21508 0 uhci_hcd 23308 0 ehci_hcd 33288 0 usbcore 126876 8 usbhid,usbkbd,usb_storage,usbmouse,ohci_hcd,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd nbd 22916 1 8139too 26368 0 Gert. From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Tue Nov 25 14:21:13 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:21:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] deal on EeePC In-Reply-To: <1227615025.9276.1.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1227615025.9276.1.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <492C09D9.1090504@biochemfluidics.com> The link on the flyer is www.newegg.com/xerox/cyber08 -- however, that link isn't valid yet. I assume it'll be "turned on" on December 1, which is the day of the sale. Here's the printer: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828118493 Here's the EeePC: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220475 -Rob Barry Cisna wrote: > Rob, > > Could you post a url for this combo package. I searched daily specials, > combo packages at newegg and cant get to this one? > > > Thanks, > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 16:06:33 2008 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:06:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to mount old LVM on old drive to recover student homes Message-ID: <8b88203f0811250806k49862515qe3dbe53896e36cd9@mail.gmail.com> Hello Everyone, Thank you Robert, James and anyone else who messenged me about installing K12 on top of Centos 5.2. I finally figured out I was just missing the --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/k12ltsp.asc key to finish the install. I may have zotted out a longer history from another console but this may have been it.. It seems I've got our students in a panic. I rsynced a two month old backup back to the homes instead of the nightly... Just too busy- what can I say. The the homes I need are on the old single Centos 5 LVM hard drive. How do I mount this in my fstab? I've never had to deal with lvms before. I always stay away from them when I want second and third independent drives. This one was the main drive though... Can't find anything on google yet on adding an already existing LMV to a running system but I'll keep looking. Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Tue Nov 25 17:00:09 2008 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:00:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to mount old LVM on old drive to recover student homes In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0811250806k49862515qe3dbe53896e36cd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0811250806k49862515qe3dbe53896e36cd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1227632409.15575.17.camel@bart> LVM volumes are usually handled by devmapper. Look in the /dev/mapper/ directory and mount the named volume like you would a normal device. -Gadi On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 08:06 -0800, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Thank you Robert, James and anyone else who messenged me about > installing K12 on top of Centos 5.2. I finally figured out I was just > missing the --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/k12ltsp.asc key to > finish the install. I may have zotted out a longer history from > another console but this may have been it.. > > It seems I've got our students in a panic. I rsynced a two month old > backup back to the homes instead of the nightly... Just too busy- > what can I say. > > The the homes I need are on the old single Centos 5 LVM hard drive. > How do I mount this in my fstab? I've never had to deal with lvms > before. I always stay away from them when I want second and third > independent drives. This one was the main drive though... > > Can't find anything on google yet on adding an already existing LMV to > a running system but I'll keep looking. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Tue Nov 25 17:04:08 2008 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:04:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound module for ebox 2500 In-Reply-To: <492BD685.6070709@openict.be> References: <1227327782.1919.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <492BD685.6070709@openict.be> Message-ID: <1227632648.15575.19.camel@bart> You may be using an older LTSP that only uses OSS sound drivers on the client. Try using the OSS equivalent (roughly) to that sound driver - I think it is "i810-audio" -G On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 11:42 +0100, Gert Vandenreyt wrote: > Barry R Cisna schreef: > > Hi Gert, > > > > >From what you posted ,if you see the " Accepting connections on port > > 16001",just a couple lines before this you should see 'xyz sound module > > loaded'. Also it seems odd if it says /dev/dsp: no directory? > > When you done the lspci was this in Puppy or when booted up into ltsp at > > a shell prompt? > > > > Barry Cisna > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > There's no line like 'sound module loaded' > > lspci in puppy: > > 00:00.0 Class 0600: 1106:0324 (rev 10) > 00:00.1 Class 0600: 1106:1324 > 00:00.2 Class 0600: 1106:2324 > 00:00.3 Class 0600: 1106:3324 > 00:00.4 Class 0600: 1106:4324 > 00:00.7 Class 0600: 1106:7324 > 00:01.0 Class 0604: 1106:b198 > 00:08.0 Class 0200: 10ec:8139 (rev 10) > 00:0f.0 Class 0101: 1106:5324 > 00:10.0 Class 0c03: 1106:3038 (rev 90) > 00:10.1 Class 0c03: 1106:3038 (rev 90) > 00:10.4 Class 0c03: 1106:3104 (rev 90) > 00:11.0 Class 0601: 1106:8324 > 00:11.7 Class 0600: 1106:324e > 00:13.0 Class 0604: 1106:324b > 01:00.0 Class 0300: 1106:3157 (rev 03) > 02:01.0 Class 0403: 1106:3288 (rev 10) > > lsmod in puppy: > > Module Size Used by > snd_mixer_oss 16896 0 > usblp 14080 0 > snd_hda_intel 289308 0 > snd_pcm 75656 1 snd_hda_intel > snd_timer 22020 1 snd_pcm > snd_page_alloc 10120 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm > snd_hwdep 9220 1 snd_hda_intel > snd 52068 5 > snd_mixer_oss,snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_hwdep > soundcore 7520 1 snd > i2c_viapro 9236 0 > i2c_core 22032 1 i2c_viapro > 8139too 25088 0 > mii 5888 1 8139too > via_agp 10240 0 > agpgart 34128 1 via_agp > fuse 44052 0 > unionfs 83732 1 > nls_iso8859_1 4224 0 > nls_cp437 5888 0 > usbhid 24928 0 > usb_storage 83264 0 > > > lspci, booted as thin client: > > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 0324 > (rev 10) > 0000:00:00.1 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 1324 > 0000:00:00.2 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 2324 > 0000:00:00.3 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3324 > 0000:00:00.4 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 4324 > 0000:00:00.7 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 7324 > 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI Bridge > 0000:00:08.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. > RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) > 0000:00:0f.0 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 5324 > 0000:00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB > 1.1 Controller (rev 90) > 0000:00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB > 1.1 Controller (rev 90) > 0000:00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 90) > 0000:00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 8324 > 0000:00:11.7 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 324e > 0000:00:13.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 324b > 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown > device 3157 (rev 03) > 0000:02:01.0 0403: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio > Controller (rev 10) > > lsmod, booted as thin client: > > Module Size Used by > nls_iso8859_1 4224 1 > nls_cp437 5888 1 > autofs 15616 0 > isofs 36800 0 > zlib_inflate 17408 1 isofs > vfat 12928 1 > fat 52636 1 vfat > ide_generic 1408 0 [permanent] > sd_mod 18320 2 > snd_hda_intel 18452 0 > snd_hda_codec 137904 1 snd_hda_intel > snd_pcm 85896 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec > snd_timer 24068 1 snd_pcm > snd 53376 4 > snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer > soundcore 10336 1 snd > snd_page_alloc 10120 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm > usbhid 40800 0 > usbkbd 7040 0 > usb_storage 71104 1 > scsi_mod 98796 2 sd_mod,usb_storage > ide_core 122532 2 ide_generic,usb_storage > usbmouse 5632 0 > ohci_hcd 21508 0 > uhci_hcd 23308 0 > ehci_hcd 33288 0 > usbcore 126876 8 > usbhid,usbkbd,usb_storage,usbmouse,ohci_hcd,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd > nbd 22916 1 > 8139too 26368 0 > > > Gert. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 17:32:16 2008 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:32:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to mount old LVM on old drive to recover student homes In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0811250806k49862515qe3dbe53896e36cd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0811250806k49862515qe3dbe53896e36cd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b88203f0811250932rc263c34v35d2e23ed9fdfcdd@mail.gmail.com> Hello, The only volumes I find in /dev/mapper are the newly installed LVM and its swap: [root at library ~]# pvscan PV /dev/hdb2 VG VolGroup00 lvm2 [74.41 GB / 0 free] PV /dev/sda2 VG VolGroup00 lvm2 [465.66 GB / 0 free] Total: 2 [540.06 GB] / in use: 2 [540.06 GB] / in no VG: 0 [0 ] [root at library ~]# vgscan Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... Found volume group "VolGroup00" using metadata type lvm2 Found volume group "VolGroup00" using metadata type lvm2 [root at library ~]# I need to add the old LVM from hdb2 ... The LVMs are named the same... What to do?? Thanks, Im On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Jim Christiansen < jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Thank you Robert, James and anyone else who messenged me about installing > K12 on top of Centos 5.2. I finally figured out I was just missing the > --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/k12ltsp.asc key to finish the > install. I may have zotted out a longer history from another console but > this may have been it.. > > It seems I've got our students in a panic. I rsynced a two month old > backup back to the homes instead of the nightly... Just too busy- what can > I say. > > The the homes I need are on the old single Centos 5 LVM hard drive. How do > I mount this in my fstab? I've never had to deal with lvms before. I > always stay away from them when I want second and third independent drives. > This one was the main drive though... > > Can't find anything on google yet on adding an already existing LMV to a > running system but I'll keep looking. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Steven at SimplyCircus.com Tue Nov 25 17:43:24 2008 From: Steven at SimplyCircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:43:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to mount old LVM on old drive to recover student homes In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0811250932rc263c34v35d2e23ed9fdfcdd@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0811250806k49862515qe3dbe53896e36cd9@mail.gmail.com> <8b88203f0811250932rc263c34v35d2e23ed9fdfcdd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8874 --- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Christiansen Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:32 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How to mount old LVM on old drive to recover student homes Hello, The only volumes I find in /dev/mapper are the newly installed LVM and its swap: [root at library ~]# pvscan PV /dev/hdb2 VG VolGroup00 lvm2 [74.41 GB / 0 free] PV /dev/sda2 VG VolGroup00 lvm2 [465.66 GB / 0 free] Total: 2 [540.06 GB] / in use: 2 [540.06 GB] / in no VG: 0 [0 ] [root at library ~]# vgscan Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... Found volume group "VolGroup00" using metadata type lvm2 Found volume group "VolGroup00" using metadata type lvm2 [root at library ~]# I need to add the old LVM from hdb2 ... The LVMs are named the same... What to do?? Thanks, Im On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Jim Christiansen wrote: Hello Everyone, Thank you Robert, James and anyone else who messenged me about installing K12 on top of Centos 5.2. I finally figured out I was just missing the --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/k12ltsp.asc key to finish the install. I may have zotted out a longer history from another console but this may have been it.. It seems I've got our students in a panic. I rsynced a two month old backup back to the homes instead of the nightly... Just too busy- what can I say. The the homes I need are on the old single Centos 5 LVM hard drive. How do I mount this in my fstab? I've never had to deal with lvms before. I always stay away from them when I want second and third independent drives. This one was the main drive though... Can't find anything on google yet on adding an already existing LMV to a running system but I'll keep looking. Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com Tue Nov 25 18:28:51 2008 From: rob.owens at biochemfluidics.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:28:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to mount old LVM on old drive to recover student homes In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0811250806k49862515qe3dbe53896e36cd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0811250806k49862515qe3dbe53896e36cd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <492C43E3.9020404@biochemfluidics.com> Jim Christiansen wrote: > The the homes I need are on the old single Centos 5 LVM hard drive. How > do I mount this in my fstab? I've never had to deal with lvms before. > I always stay away from them when I want second and third independent > drives. This one was the main drive though... > > Can't find anything on google yet on adding an already existing LMV to a > running system but I'll keep looking. > This is the reference I always go back to when dealing with LVM: http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/linux/mythtv/mythtv-lvm.xml ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. 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If verification is required please request a hard copy version. ******************************************************** From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Tue Nov 25 18:37:46 2008 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (=?us-ascii?Q?Paul_Satherley?=) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:37:46 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] How to mount old LVM on old drive to recover student homes Message-ID: ?I find this very helpful ? wiki.contribs.org/Recovering_SME_Server_with_lvm_drives ? cheers ? -----Original message----- From: Rob Owens Sent: Wed 26-11-2008 07:24 To: Support list for open source software in schools. ; Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How to mount old LVM on old drive to recover student homes Jim Christiansen wrote: > The the homes I need are on the old single Centos 5 LVM hard drive. ?How > do I mount this in my fstab? ?I've never had to deal with lvms before. > I always stay away from them when I want second and third independent > drives. ?This one was the main drive though... > > Can't find anything on google yet on adding an already existing LMV to a > running system but I'll keep looking. > This is the reference I always go back to when dealing with LVM: http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/linux/mythtv/mythtv-lvm.xml ******************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Barry Cisna From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 17:22:13 2008 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:22:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to mount old LVM on old drive to recover student homes Message-ID: <8b88203f0811260922i6e91460fw266bf34ceebbac47@mail.gmail.com> GOT IT!! Thank you Paul, Rod, Steven and Gideon. I had the old LVM rsync the current homes back overnight. I used parts of most of your points. My 500 students don't hate me any more ;-) I've found that booting to the Control D disk error and unmounting or remounting rw the drives has always been a hassle so I've tattooed: "mount / -o remount,rw" to my forehead... Once in, re-editing fstab is a sintch. As for the LVMs: I used a Centos i368 CD (I was curious because my systems are 64 bit so I used a 32 bit disk...) and booted to linux rescue and NOT letting it mount any drives. >From here it was just a matter of "lvm vgrename". Booting the new system up with another newly edited fstab and a mount -a of the new volgroup-newname bla bla bla and the system was ready to rsync back. Thanks a ton, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Nov 26 21:23:04 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:23:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] deal on EeePC Message-ID: <1227734584.13559.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Rob, Thanks for posting this info. We had an old color Tektronix printer ( that weighs about a ton) die just a couple weeks ago. This will be a perfect fit for a replacement. I'll at least get a new laptop( Maybe) out of all of this. I always end up with the castoff stuff..:) Take Care, Barry Cisna From gert.vandenreyt at openict.be Thu Nov 27 08:22:16 2008 From: gert.vandenreyt at openict.be (Gert Vandenreyt) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:22:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound module for ebox 2500 In-Reply-To: <1227646415.11884.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1227646415.11884.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <492E58B8.9090206@openict.be> Barry R Cisna schreef: > Gert, > > Try adding the via82xx sound module to your lts.conf file for this > client. SMODULE_01 = via82xx Make sure you have the other sound modules > you have listed commented out just to take them out of the equation. > Also go into the bios of your Ebox 2500 and see if there is an option > for "legacy sound emulation" or something like that? It seems I run into > this about three years ago and can't remember exactly what the tweak was > to make it activate?I doubt this will work if ltsp didn't recognize this > sound chip at bootup, but it's worth a try. > Let us know your results. > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Barry, No success with th via82xx sound module. In the BIOS there's no option like sound emulation. I know that for the previous ebox 2300 model, someone compiled a driver called sis_7019. I guess I will have to compile a driver for the ebox 2500 myself, but I can't find source code. I also found a script on the ltsp-website that modifies the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound script, so that alsa drivers can be used through esd. With these modifications made, I specify the snd-hda-intel module, and it seems to work fine. I can telnet the client on 16001, no more errors like "/dev/dsp no such file or device", testing sound in GUI shows no errors. BUT ... no sound coming from the speakers Gert. From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Fri Nov 28 05:08:08 2008 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:08:08 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP CentOS5 slow Message-ID: Hi, All of a sudden this past week my server has been slow. I mainly use BlueFish, Geany, and Firefox. I've notice that the terminal is also slightly slower. I am not sure why, because I didn't install/update anything before this strange lag started. In Firefox, its slow to start, load (non Flash) pages, and sometimes just crashes. I asked the students to run Firefox through the terminal to get any error and a student got this after a crash: (Gecko:20069): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.2/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 20069 Killed "$prog" ${1+"$@"}(Gecko:20069): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Geany has been notably slower when you try to execute a program. It can take up to a minute for the output window to pop up. I've noticed the slowness when students are on the computer and even when they're not. I updated Firefox hoping it would help, but it didn't. (I am thinking Firefox 2 would be better, but I don't know how to install an old version of it, with yum, yet.) I did a #gdm-restart and it seemed to have done the trick for a little while. I tried Geany and it was the same thing when I tried to execute. Sometimes it takes up to a minute for the output screen to pop up. I am not sure what to do and the lag has caused a student to stop working on his C++ program. It frustrated him too much. Any ideas on what could be causing this? _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Nov 28 14:23:00 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:23:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP CentOS5 slow Message-ID: <1227882180.15489.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Jones, Please supply some specs of your server and how many TC's you are connecting to it.Is this a default install of K12LTSP5, or CentOS5 with ltsp on top of it? Have you updated the server since a default install? The FF update shouldn't have hindered the performance any just,, FYI. A few things to try. 1. run top from a terminal while the server seems " slow ", and see if your memory is all used up,or if cpu is 100%. 2. You could download jperf,and install on your K12LTSP server as well as a (linux)laptop you have available. Plug your laptop into the switch that the TC's are plugged into. Run jpef in server mode on the server & run jperf on your laptop in client mode. You will see what bandwidth is available along with jitter and all that sorta geeky stuff.This piece has really helped me in finding were bandwidth is being used realtime. 3. Is the switch the TC's are plugged into a 'plug and play' switch? In other words a non-managed switched? 4. That is odd Firefox is throwing that error you posted. Did you install FF via yum? Is this error happening every time FF is launched, or hit and miss? You can download the jperf rpm at the URL below. You will need to install iperf, first, which is at the url as well. ftp://eazylivin.net/server/jperf/ Let us know your findings. Take Care, Barry Cisna From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Nov 28 15:32:40 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:32:40 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning Acer Aspire One Message-ID: <49300F18.4040001@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Our college has decided to buy 45 Acer Aspire ones and I wondered if anyone has any advice on how to clone them all once I have one setup how I'd like, hopefully not one at a time :-) I use Norton Ghost on our PC's but not sure if we could use this on the Aspires. Any pointers gratefully received :-) Brian Portsmouth College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Nov 28 17:13:19 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:13:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning Acer Aspire One Message-ID: <1227892399.18752.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Brian, Use G4L. Download the latest ISO and burn a few copies to CD. It is about 80mb's. If you are setting these Acer's up with Windows, use the sysprep tool that is on any Xp cd(under the Tools folder) for this. Put all the applications,printers you think you *might* use on your 'master'. Then after this copy the -blank6-(two files from the g4l CD) onto the master HD, -run blank6-. It will take about 20 mins on an 80gig HD. This writes nulls to each empty sector of your cloning HD. This will reduce your saved master .img to about 3gig!. After doing the blank6 run sysprep on the master HD. This will in essence ,once cloned to the second,, third pc,,lets you run a mini-setup program,to pick out name,join domain etc after you have cloned to one of the laptops.Now, pop in the g4l cd into your master laptop,and have a directory already setup to save your master.img on a server at your building then go through the steps,to 'backup' the master. This will be saved in lzop compression by default. It will take about 2 hours to save the initial .img to your server. The upside,once you start cloning the master.img to the rest of your laptops,it will take about 25 mins( for one at a time). there is even a multicast option on g4l,but i always just start each cloner one at a time myself. This will work fine for linux,winders,mac partitions. Hope this helps getting you started. Sidenote: G4l runs 'outside' of the OS, This is what gets most people in trouble using Norton Ghost,,:-) Take Care, Barry Cisna WestCentral School #235 From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Fri Nov 28 19:52:11 2008 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:52:11 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP CentOS5 slow In-Reply-To: <1227882180.15489.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1227882180.15489.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP CentOS5 slow > From: brcisna at eazylivin.net > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:23:00 -0600 > > Hi Jones, > > Please supply some specs of your server and how many TC's you are > connecting to it.Is this a default install of K12LTSP5, or CentOS5 with > ltsp on top of it? Have you updated the server since a default install? > The FF update shouldn't have hindered the performance any just,, FYI. > A few things to try. > 1. run top from a terminal while the server seems " slow ", and see if > your memory is all used up,or if cpu is 100%. > 2. You could download jperf,and install on your K12LTSP server as well > as a (linux)laptop you have available. Plug your laptop into the switch > that the TC's are plugged into. Run jpef in server mode on the server & > run jperf on your laptop in client mode. You will see what bandwidth is > available along with jitter and all that sorta geeky stuff.This piece > has really helped me in finding were bandwidth is being used realtime. > 3. Is the switch the TC's are plugged into a 'plug and play' switch? In > other words a non-managed switched? > 4. That is odd Firefox is throwing that error you posted. Did you > install FF via yum? Is this error happening every time FF is launched, > or hit and miss? > You can download the jperf rpm at the URL below. You will need to > install iperf, first, which is at the url as well. > > ftp://eazylivin.net/server/jperf/ > > Let us know your findings. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Thanks Barry. I was going to ask a student to bring in a laptop to test out the bandwidth. I did download i/j-perf but haven't installed it yet. I checked top again and it was the same as last day. The server was still slow when there was only 1 user on it. Both memory and CPU usage was really low. 160K for memory and 1% for CPU on a process. I ran to the server and tried the same programs that were performing slow on a client. They didn't lag on the server. I noticed that on System Monitor every time I would start a process, the network would peak to 100%. I turned off all the clients except 2. I found an administrator and we opened up the wiring closet and there it was! Solid greens on my switch. We unplugged the switch and started it up again. No lights. So there must be a physical loopback in my room. At least that's my guess for now. Thanks again! _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Fri Nov 28 20:45:50 2008 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (=?us-ascii?Q?Paul_Satherley?=) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:45:50 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning Acer Aspire One Message-ID: Hi ,? I've used UDPCast with a Sysprep'd image? etc? but I'm going to use FOG ? sourceforge.net/projects/freeghost/ It combines all the goodness of G4l, udpcast auto setup configuration, and much more for long term management of apps and images!. ? However.. most important is to spend as much time as possible sorting out the base image for all uses, ie after its on the Domain, offline files, wireless ,dialup, proxy,printing,firewall, virus/malware protection AT and AWAY from school, full install of standard apps, .net,java,sql and other librarys,?? and then test and test, test the abilty to re-image, maybe partition the hard drive so that user data is separate as mush as windows will allow etc.........give it to others to break.. fix it. and then image it once..? ? cheers -----Original message----- From: Barry R Cisna Sent: Sat 29-11-2008 06:14 To: K12LTSP ; Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Cloning Acer Aspire One Hi Brian, Use G4L. Download the latest ISO and burn a few copies to CD. It is about 80mb's. If you are setting these Acer's up with Windows, use the sysprep tool that is on any Xp cd(under the Tools folder) for this. Put all the applications,printers you think you *might* use on your 'master'. Then after this copy the -blank6-(two files from the g4l CD) onto the master HD, -run blank6-. It will take about 20 mins on an 80gig HD. This writes nulls to each empty sector of your cloning HD. This will reduce your saved master .img to about 3gig!. After doing the blank6 run sysprep on the master HD. This will in essence ,once cloned to the second,, third pc,,lets you run a mini-setup program,to pick out name,join domain etc after you have cloned to one of the laptops.Now, pop in the g4l cd into your master laptop,and have a directory already setup to save your master.img on a server at your building then go through the steps,to 'backup' the master. This will be saved in lzop compression by default. It will take about 2 hours to save the initial .img to your server. The upside,once you start cloning the master.img to the rest of your laptops,it will take about 25 mins( for one at a time). there is even a multicast option on g4l,but i always just start each cloner one at a time myself. This will work fine for linux,winders,mac partitions. Hope this helps getting you started. Sidenote: G4l runs 'outside' of the OS, This is what gets most people in trouble using Norton Ghost,,:-) Take Care, Barry Cisna WestCentral School #235 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hosef.org Fri Nov 28 21:10:30 2008 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:10:30 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning Acer Aspire One In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have had, and continue to have, great success using Clonezilla from either a usb/cd bootable image, or launched from DRBL. For portable installs I use a macbook booted into debian. Mass imaging via udpcast, single imaging, launching memtest, and even loading the OS from the server, all make this a scary good tool for social entrepreneurship. I'll be knocking out about 120 donated computers with it over the next few days. I have not used sysprep before, but it appears that once you perfect your golden image, you have several good options for achieving your imaging goals. For mass imaging gnu/linux boxes, I start with a small golden image made from an older drive, ~4 gb, and then resize / to fill the bigger drives. --scott 2008/11/28 Paul Satherley : > Hi , > > I've used UDPCast with a Sysprep'd image etc but I'm going to use FOG > > > > sourceforge.net/projects/freeghost/ > > It combines all the goodness of G4l, udpcast auto setup configuration, and > much more for long term management of apps and images!. > > > > However.. most important is to spend as much time as possible sorting out > the base image for all uses, > > ie after its on the Domain, offline files, wireless ,dialup, > proxy,printing,firewall, virus/malware protection AT and AWAY from school, > full install of standard apps, .net,java,sql and other librarys, and then > test and test, test the abilty to re-image, maybe partition the hard drive > so that user data is separate as mush as windows will allow etc.........give > it to others to break.. fix it. and then image it once.. > > > > cheers > > -----Original message----- > From: Barry R Cisna > Sent: Sat 29-11-2008 06:14 > To: K12LTSP ; > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Cloning Acer Aspire One > > Hi Brian, > > Use G4L. Download the latest ISO and burn a few copies to CD. It is > about 80mb's. If you are setting these Acer's up with Windows, use the > sysprep tool that is on any Xp cd(under the Tools folder) for this. Put > all the applications,printers you think you *might* use on your > 'master'. Then after this copy the -blank6-(two files from the g4l CD) > onto the master HD, -run blank6-. It will take about 20 mins on an 80gig > HD. This writes nulls to each empty sector of your cloning HD. This will > reduce your saved master .img to about 3gig!. After doing the blank6 run > sysprep on the master HD. This will in essence ,once cloned to the > second,, third pc,,lets you run a mini-setup program,to pick out > name,join domain etc after you have cloned to one of the laptops.Now, > pop in the g4l cd into your master laptop,and have a directory already > setup to save your master.img on a server at your building then go > through the steps,to 'backup' the master. This will be saved in lzop > compression by default. It will take about 2 hours to save the > initial .img to your server. The upside,once you start cloning the > master.img to the rest of your laptops,it will take about 25 mins( for > one at a time). there is even a multicast option on g4l,but i always > just start each cloner one at a time myself. This will work fine for > linux,winders,mac partitions. > Hope this helps getting you started. > Sidenote: G4l runs 'outside' of the OS, This is what gets most people in > trouble using Norton Ghost,,:-) > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > WestCentral School #235 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sjxn at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 28 22:36:43 2008 From: sjxn at bigpond.net.au (Steve Jackson) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:36:43 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning Acer Aspire One In-Reply-To: <49300F18.4040001@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <49300F18.4040001@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4930727B.4020800@bigpond.net.au> Brian Chivers wrote: > Our college has decided to buy 45 Acer Aspire ones and I wondered if > anyone has any advice on how to clone them all once I have one setup > how I'd like, hopefully not one at a time :-) > Assuming you have the XP variant - I use Clonezilla with DRBL, the A1 will boot using PXE just fine so no need for external USB CD drives etc. I built the first one as needed, copied it to the DRBL server, then imaged the rest (6 in my case) from that. DRBL and Clonezilla can multicast, so in theory you could do all your 45 at once! They have a hidden WinXP restore partition, which I have left in place. From jones_yeates at hotmail.com Sat Nov 29 00:54:05 2008 From: jones_yeates at hotmail.com (jones yeates) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:54:05 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP CentOS5 slow In-Reply-To: <1227882180.15489.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1227882180.15489.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP CentOS5 slow > From: brcisna at eazylivin.net > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:23:00 -0600 > > Hi Jones, > > Please supply some specs of your server and how many TC's you are > connecting to it.Is this a default install of K12LTSP5, or CentOS5 with > ltsp on top of it? Have you updated the server since a default install? > The FF update shouldn't have hindered the performance any just,, FYI. > A few things to try. > 1. run top from a terminal while the server seems " slow ", and see if > your memory is all used up,or if cpu is 100%. > 2. You could download jperf,and install on your K12LTSP server as well > as a (linux)laptop you have available. Plug your laptop into the switch > that the TC's are plugged into. Run jpef in server mode on the server & > run jperf on your laptop in client mode. You will see what bandwidth is > available along with jitter and all that sorta geeky stuff.This piece > has really helped me in finding were bandwidth is being used realtime. > 3. Is the switch the TC's are plugged into a 'plug and play' switch? In > other words a non-managed switched? > 4. That is odd Firefox is throwing that error you posted. Did you > install FF via yum? Is this error happening every time FF is launched, > or hit and miss? > You can download the jperf rpm at the URL below. You will need to > install iperf, first, which is at the url as well. > > ftp://eazylivin.net/server/jperf/ > > Let us know your findings. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I wasn't able to find the loopback and I'm curious if the switch has green lights because of the possible Wake-On-LAN abilities of the NIC cards. The NIC lights are green when the computer is plugged in but turned off. Currently all 30 TC's are off and its just 1 TC and 1 server. To answer your previous questions: Specs: There are max 31 thin clients. Default k12ltsp5EL 2 15K rpm scsi drives in software raid 1 6GB ram (serving max 30 students at a time) 1. TOP output: top - 16:40:27 up 4 days, 2:10, 7 users, load average: 0.16, 0.24, 0.20 Tasks: 211 total, 1 running, 208 sleeping, 0 stopped, 2 zombie Cpu(s): 2.9%us, 0.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 96.6%id, 0.2%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.1%si, 0.0%st Mem: 3631812k total, 2337164k used, 1294648k free, 357848k buffers Swap: 1036088k total, 160k used, 1035928k free, 1278744k cached [I was tired earlier and Swapped Mem and Swap] Memory looks like its being used up. This is with just 1 TC running. 2. I have both window and Linux in my lab, after reading I noticed that I could install iperf.exe on a Windows client and I won't need a laptop. I had key issues installing iperf on Linux, but it says it installed it. I installed jperf no problem, but when I tried to run it I got this: Error occurred during initialization of VM Could not reserve enough space for object heap Could not create the Java virtual machine. 3.I believe that the switch is non-managed. We just connected the cables in and away we went. 4. Yes, I installed Firefox with yum. I also updated a couple of times. I updated it again today. Firefox crashes every once in a while. It was crashing more regularly before the update. It seems to be fine when I turn the switch off/on. If its just a couple of users then it seems to be running ok. Once a class gets in its slow again. I'm stuck again. _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 03:28:13 2008 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:28:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP CentOS5 slow In-Reply-To: References: <1227882180.15489.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/11/28 jones yeates : > 6GB ram (serving max 30 students at a time) > > > 1. TOP output: > top - 16:40:27 up 4 days, 2:10, 7 users, load average: 0.16, 0.24, 0.20 > Tasks: 211 total, 1 running, 208 sleeping, 0 stopped, 2 zombie > Cpu(s): 2.9%us, 0.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 96.6%id, 0.2%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.1%si, > 0.0%st > Mem: 3631812k total, 2337164k used, 1294648k free, 357848k buffers > Swap: 1036088k total, 160k used, 1035928k free, 1278744k cached you have 6gb of ram but you are not using a PAE kernel so you only have 3.6 available. You must install a PAE kernel to utilize all your ram. #yum install kernel-PAE but you will have to reboot for it to take effect so don't do it remotely. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Nov 29 03:26:08 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:26:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP CentOS5 slow Message-ID: <1227929168.16019.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Jones, >From the readings that top is showing the server is under almost no load .16 ( if this was when there were some TC's connected to it). Why don't you post what the make/model number of your switch is. If would happen to be a managed switch sometimes the STP, built in causes weirdness.From what you are explaining the TC's are slow even with only one-two working the server, so something is diffently amiss. Try and find another switch, even if its a small 8 port to try a few TC's onto the server and see if you still get about the same responsiveness. >From the error that Jperf is throwing you do not have Java installed on your server. This is just about a must. So,, do an ' yum install java ' then your Jperf will run without a hitch on your server. As you said the nics in the TC's may have a light with them even being powered off. This is "normal" depending on the mobo manufacuer. Another factor is with 30 TC's connecting you should have at least a GIGE backbone>> 100MB into the room.. Without having some way to monitor "at the TC switch" to the supplying server bandwidth, it is hard to pin down the culprit. Barry Cisna From ssh at tranquility.net Sat Nov 29 05:13:52 2008 From: ssh at tranquility.net (Scott S.) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:13:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression In-Reply-To: <4930727B.4020800@bigpond.net.au> References: <49300F18.4040001@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4930727B.4020800@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <4930CF90.4050607@tranquility.net> The recent Acer cloning discussion is reminding me of a problem I am having cloning disks. I am making this a new thread because I do not want to restore over a network or use compression. This is one of the biggest and most helpful bunch of Linux geeks there is, thought I would throw it out here. Here's the situation. I have a lot of old PCs I want to convert to a custom Debian/Ubuntu distro. Most of them are using an old Suse install. The guy who set these up is long gone, and even though these boxes have worked for years, he otherwise screwed up many things, and the powers that be are Linux-leery, and want to move to Winderrs. I do not have Windows machines available for this imaging project, so that lets out several choices. The machines are so old, that I think transferring a compressed image will take more time to clone on uncompressing. The network they are on is a mish-mash of token ring and ethernet, and it's mostly wired with old IBM Type 2 wiring. The ethernet ones are using a balun to use the old wiring. The network is pretty slow, and I don't want to set up (another) DHCP server for cloning purposes. Many of the machines don't have name resolution available. The average hardware is 400-1.700mhz celerons/PIIs typically with 256 meg of ram, all have USB, none have CD drives. They are using a mixture of network printers, parallel and serial barcode printers. My custom image (remastersys is great for creating a fresh ISO from an existing install) is a total of 2.6 gig, one / partition and one swap. It has the several basic users created, generic printer configurations set up. It was created on a larger drive with small partitions, then using dd to only image the first two partitions by block count. My problem is that most of the machines are too old for either PXE boot or USB boot. I have experimented with piping dd through netcat (Knoppix), but it's pretty slow as well. So far what I have been doing is using Damn Small Linux (it seems to detect the needed hardware fine). It has a boot floppy that works in the machines well, and then allows the machine to boot to USB, currently to a USB DVD drive, hopefully eventually to a syslinux-prepared USB pen drive. I use http://www.littlesvr.ca/isomaster/ to plop my disk image into the DSL iso. It lives on a DVD disc. Once I get my floppy-->USB DVD DSL booted, I just run dd if=/cdrom/masterimage.dd of=/dev/hda bs=64k and off it goes. Machines modern enough to have USB 2.0 will clone in 20 minutes, older 1.x USB machines take an hour and 20 minutes. I boot into root, set the default user, hostname and printer, and am done. There are no recent NV/ATI chipsets to worry about. While multicast solutions could be much faster on a more modern network, I am reluctant to try to work with the Windows oriented network admin to change things. Imaging the machines one at a time is adequate. OK, here's my problem (finally). Sometimes the cloned machine comes up with a GRUB error in stage 1.5 Sometimes I re-run the imaging process and it works, sometimes it doesn't. The destination discs are usually old, but all were in place and working before my imaging process. They are always larger than my small image. I think my dd method of imaging should overwrite boot sector and MBR. I haven't yet found anything in common with the few machines this has failed on. Is there some quirk about GRUB with drive geometry? It seems like I read somewhere about large disks in grub should be set in BIOS for large, or LBA, or something. These are small disks, nothing over 40 gig. thx, Scott S. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Nov 29 05:15:14 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:15:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound module for ebox 2500 Message-ID: <1227935715.19808.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Gert, It sounds like you "are just about there":). It seems weird that the snd-hda-intel sound module is almost working when your machine has an via chipset,but what the heck if it works ,thats whats counts. Try putting the following line underneath your existing line so you end up with: SMODULE_01 = snd-hda-intel SMODULE_02 = snd-pcm-oss ,,,then on the client go to System>Preferences>More Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector . on the Output try and three sound daemons > Test and see if any work. If this combo don't work try; SMODULE_01 = snd-via82xx SMODULE_02 = snd-pcm-oss Let us know your progress. Barry Cisna From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Nov 29 06:41:26 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:41:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression In-Reply-To: <4930CF90.4050607@tranquility.net> References: <49300F18.4040001@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4930727B.4020800@bigpond.net.au> <4930CF90.4050607@tranquility.net> Message-ID: <4930E416.5030408@cmosnetworks.com> I've used dd to clone Debian boxes before, but in my case, it was to identical hardware. You're right in that dd does overwrite the entire disk, MBR and all, provided that you use correct syntax, of course. :-) You have a true cluster-flock of a network. IBM type 2? I haven't seen that in well over a decade. Nope, there's no way I would even *think* of trying a multicast over such a network. That thing needs a total overhaul, new cable plant and all. And unless you're putting MS-DOG on each of the boxes, the network has nothing to do with that need for an overhaul. Yes, your scared-MCSE network admin will most definitely be a problem. One way to fend off this thorn in your side (and handle your Linux-leery managerial PHB's) is to point the following out. First off, to which MS Windows would you convert? You can't get XP anymore, and there's no way Vista will run on those ancient boxes, so who's gonna pay for all the new PC's that are "Vista ready"? Second, even if you *could* get XP, again, who's gonna pay for it? Here's what I'd do. 1.) Upgrade each of those boxes to *AT LEAST* 512MB DRAM. Sure, you can run Debian or Ubuntu in 256MB. But for a user experience that's actually halfway decent, you're not running OpenOffice.org; stick with KDE 3 and KOffice for optimum use of shared libraries. 2.) Take a look at "preseeding" with Debian/Ubuntu. This is functionally equivalent to Red Hat's "kickstart" automated-install system. My understanding is that you cannot use existing partitions, but since you're cloning disks anyway, that doesn't matter. This way, you're pretty much guaranteed to get a working GRUB installation. For EIDE disks (I'm guessing that's what type you have in these boxes), yep, I always tell the BIOS to use LBA. But if you do that, then make sure that the box on which you made the original image also had its BIOS set to use LBA. Things can get a bit dicey at times if you don't make 'em the same if one's using traditional CHS and the other's using LBA. What is the specific GRUB error that you're seeing? The GRUB documentation lists 34 possible error codes. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Scott S. wrote: > The recent Acer cloning discussion is reminding me of a problem I am > having cloning disks. I am making this a new thread because I do not > want to restore over a network or use compression. This is one of the > biggest and most helpful bunch of Linux geeks there is, thought I > would throw it out here. > > Here's the situation. I have a lot of old PCs I want to convert to a > custom Debian/Ubuntu distro. Most of them are using an old Suse > install. The guy who set these up is long gone, and even though these > boxes have worked for years, he otherwise screwed up many things, and > the powers that be are Linux-leery, and want to move to Winderrs. > > I do not have Windows machines available for this imaging project, so > that lets out several choices. > > The machines are so old, that I think transferring a compressed image > will take more time to clone on uncompressing. The network they are on > is a mish-mash of token ring and ethernet, and it's mostly wired with > old IBM Type 2 wiring. The ethernet ones are using a balun to use the > old wiring. The network is pretty slow, and I don't want to set up > (another) DHCP server for cloning purposes. Many of the machines don't > have name resolution available. > > The average hardware is 400-1.700mhz celerons/PIIs typically with 256 > meg of ram, all have USB, none have CD drives. They are using a > mixture of network printers, parallel and serial barcode printers. > > My custom image (remastersys is great for creating a fresh ISO from an > existing install) is a total of 2.6 gig, one / partition and one swap. > It has the several basic users created, generic printer configurations > set up. It was created on a larger drive with small partitions, then > using dd to only image the first two partitions by block count. > > My problem is that most of the machines are too old for either PXE > boot or USB boot. I have experimented with piping dd through netcat > (Knoppix), but it's pretty slow as well. So far what I have been doing > is using Damn Small Linux (it seems to detect the needed hardware > fine). It has a boot floppy that works in the machines well, and then > allows the machine to boot to USB, currently to a USB DVD drive, > hopefully eventually to a syslinux-prepared USB pen drive. > > I use http://www.littlesvr.ca/isomaster/ to plop my disk image into > the DSL iso. It lives on a DVD disc. Once I get my floppy-->USB DVD > DSL booted, I just run dd if=/cdrom/masterimage.dd of=/dev/hda bs=64k > and off it goes. Machines modern enough to have USB 2.0 will clone in > 20 minutes, older 1.x USB machines take an hour and 20 minutes. I boot > into root, set the default user, hostname and printer, and am done. > There are no recent NV/ATI chipsets to worry about. > > While multicast solutions could be much faster on a more modern > network, I am reluctant to try to work with the Windows oriented > network admin to change things. Imaging the machines one at a time is > adequate. > > OK, here's my problem (finally). Sometimes the cloned machine comes up > with a GRUB error in stage 1.5 Sometimes I re-run the imaging process > and it works, sometimes it doesn't. The destination discs are usually > old, but all were in place and working before my imaging process. They > are always larger than my small image. I think my dd method of imaging > should overwrite boot sector and MBR. I haven't yet found anything in > common with the few machines this has failed on. > > Is there some quirk about GRUB with drive geometry? It seems like I > read somewhere about large disks in grub should be set in BIOS for > large, or LBA, or something. These are small disks, nothing over 40 gig. > > thx, > Scott S. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssh at tranquility.net Sat Nov 29 08:45:40 2008 From: ssh at tranquility.net (Scott S.) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:45:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression In-Reply-To: <4930E416.5030408@cmosnetworks.com> References: <49300F18.4040001@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4930727B.4020800@bigpond.net.au> <4930CF90.4050607@tranquility.net> <4930E416.5030408@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <49310134.9020108@tranquility.net> Terrell, you hit several nails right on the head, and gave me some good clues! Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > I've used dd to clone Debian boxes before, but in my case, it was to > identical hardware. You're right in that dd does overwrite the entire > disk, MBR and all, provided that you use correct syntax, of course. :-) dd will clone any possible readable disk, even if the host OS can't mount it. For data recovery with possible bad disks, dd_rhelp: http://vaab.free.fr/utilities/dd_rhelp/index.en.html is great, it can reduce time by weeks from a dd clone with bad sectors. > You have a true cluster-flock of a network. IBM type 2? I haven't seen > that in well over a decade. Agreed, not my choice. It's legacy-ville all the way. Mission-critical servers have nice spiffy new things with big pipes, but not the old things. > First off, to which MS > Windows would you convert? This scenario is my employment, and I am fortunate that my immediate boss has heard of Linux and is encouraging me. Above him, I have pointed out the TCO, and they just shrug it off as "the cost of doing business". I am a thorn in their side, and hopefully a wedge to FOSS. > 1.) Upgrade each of those boxes to *AT LEAST* 512MB DRAM. There is a limited subset of apps needed, and aside from slow loading, 256 is acceptable so far. > 2.) Take a look at "preseeding" with Debian/Ubuntu. I did, for some time. I couldn't get everything to work like I thought it should. > For EIDE disks (I'm guessing that's what type you have in these boxes), Yes, I did not mention there were no SATA or SCSI. > yep, I always tell the BIOS to use LBA. But if you do that, then make > sure that the box on which you made the original image also had its BIOS > set to use LBA. Aha, this was what caught my attention. Thank you very much! The very original start was a VMware instance, with the default generic Phoenix BIOS stuff. It started out as generating a bootable liveCD via remastersys. The problem there was that the original Ubuntu required 384 meg to boot to liveCD, even when the completed install ran in 256 OK. It was very trimmed down, one desktop, no visual effects, etc. Adding 128MB of RAM to all the machines for install was a big slowdown. I then used one of the fresh liveCDs to install to a 4 gig drive, initially thinking about using dd, and keeping it down to DVD size. After factoring in some realities about size, I knew that each of the destination machines would never install another app, never generate any local info, and email was all stored on the email server. I trimmed it down to the 2.6 gig size on the real physical 4 gig drive. Here's the punch line... I used default BIOS stuff on everything, both VMware and the physical drive. I may need to back up and check at the BIOS in the actual machine that had the 4 gig drive. > What is the specific GRUB error that you're seeing? The GRUB > documentation lists 34 possible error codes. I will check it on Monday. Thanks! Scott S. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sat Nov 29 12:48:31 2008 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:48:31 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning Acer Aspire One In-Reply-To: <4930727B.4020800@bigpond.net.au> References: <49300F18.4040001@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4930727B.4020800@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <49313A1F.9030003@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Steve Jackson wrote: > Brian Chivers wrote: >> Our college has decided to buy 45 Acer Aspire ones and I wondered if >> anyone has any advice on how to clone them all once I have one setup >> how I'd like, hopefully not one at a time :-) >> > Assuming you have the XP variant - I use Clonezilla with DRBL, the A1 > will boot using PXE just fine so no need for external USB CD drives > etc. I built the first one as needed, copied it to the DRBL server, > then imaged the rest (6 in my case) from that. DRBL and Clonezilla can > multicast, so in theory you could do all your 45 at once! > > They have a hidden WinXP restore partition, which I have left in place. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Thanks for the pointers. They'll be running the Linpus Linux OS, trying to wean them off Doze and said that they weren't available with XP :-) Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Nov 29 13:51:43 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:51:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression Message-ID: <1227966703.14863.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Scott, With the mix of what you have to deal with there, it may be worth buying two of the quick release 5.25 removable drive bays( with the handle on the front of them to push/pull/lock). About $6 each at geeks. Find your "best" master cloning machine put a decent cdrom in it, and put these two bays in it (along with its own HD). Save your master img on this machines HD. Make sure you do have LBA enabled on this box when setting up your initial image. Once you have your master.img all setup with ALL printers,and ALL applications, and blank6'd and sysprep'd/sealed. Start pulling HD's out of your other boxes and pop one in each of the two quick release bays,so you can do two HD's at a time while cloning. Anyway you do it,its going to be a lot of leg work without any of your machines having cdrom's . I know its always a hassle on lots of cases even getting panels off. I think it is a prerequisite to be a rocket scientist to get some panels back on some of these old machines:) Only other way of doing it would be to buy an external usb cdrom and hang on each machine at a time, but as old as these machines are they would never usb boot i'm sure, so that also throws out doing boot from a usb stick as well. The floppy thing is nothing but frustration to try and do several as well. Just a though? Barry Cisna WestCentral School #235. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Nov 29 14:49:39 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:49:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] hplip worth setting up , using Message-ID: <1227970179.15957.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello All, Just thought this may be on some use to people here on the list. If you haven't checked much into the workings of hplip it is worth your time to read up on this if you are using any hp jetdirect printers or usb hp printers. Of course 'way back' this piece was very iffy.It's all on your k12ltsp server installed by default, BTW. Now, once set up correctly you can view all of your hp printers , networked as well as hanging off of a usb TC,all in one interface. It's easy now to set up the extended functionality of the newer hp printers such as card readers to allow users to view their memory cards with a launcher on the desktop. For teachers for example. Shows cartridge levels,panel errors, etc,just as if you were in front of the printer. Makes admining printers a little *less* of a pain in the neck:) I have printers from three remote school buildings all available now without having to drive all over creation to see what errors are on it . Just another of my 2 pennies:-) Hope this helps. Take Care, Barry Cisna From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sat Nov 29 15:34:07 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:34:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression In-Reply-To: <49310134.9020108@tranquility.net> References: <49300F18.4040001@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4930727B.4020800@bigpond.net.au> <4930CF90.4050607@tranquility.net> <4930E416.5030408@cmosnetworks.com> <49310134.9020108@tranquility.net> Message-ID: <493160EF.3050905@scheie.homedns.org> Actually, this sounds like a good case for using LTSP with the machines, cable plant aside. Would stringing some cat6 cable to these machines, one by one, be out of the question? Considering a modest server can be had for $500, you could then show how those old machines can be given new life just by having a new wire pulled. I think it would be cheaper than trying to buy RAM for such old machines. Just a thought. Peter Scott S. wrote: > Terrell, you hit several nails right on the head, and gave me some good > clues! > > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> I've used dd to clone Debian boxes before, but in my case, it was to >> identical hardware. You're right in that dd does overwrite the entire >> disk, MBR and all, provided that you use correct syntax, of course. :-) > > dd will clone any possible readable disk, even if the host OS can't > mount it. For data recovery with possible bad disks, dd_rhelp: > http://vaab.free.fr/utilities/dd_rhelp/index.en.html is great, it can > reduce time by weeks from a dd clone with bad sectors. > >> You have a true cluster-flock of a network. IBM type 2? I haven't >> seen that in well over a decade. > > Agreed, not my choice. It's legacy-ville all the way. Mission-critical > servers have nice spiffy new things with big pipes, but not the old things. > >> First off, to which MS Windows would you convert? > > This scenario is my employment, and I am fortunate that my immediate > boss has heard of Linux and is encouraging me. Above him, I have pointed > out the TCO, and they just shrug it off as "the cost of doing business". > I am a thorn in their side, and hopefully a wedge to FOSS. > > >> 1.) Upgrade each of those boxes to *AT LEAST* 512MB DRAM. > > There is a limited subset of apps needed, and aside from slow loading, > 256 is acceptable so far. > >> 2.) Take a look at "preseeding" with Debian/Ubuntu. > > I did, for some time. I couldn't get everything to work like I thought > it should. > >> For EIDE disks (I'm guessing that's what type you have in these boxes), > > Yes, I did not mention there were no SATA or SCSI. > >> yep, I always tell the BIOS to use LBA. But if you do that, then make >> sure that the box on which you made the original image also had its >> BIOS set to use LBA. > > Aha, this was what caught my attention. Thank you very much! The very > original start was a VMware instance, with the default generic Phoenix > BIOS stuff. It started out as generating a bootable liveCD via > remastersys. The problem there was that the original Ubuntu required 384 > meg to boot to liveCD, even when the completed install ran in 256 OK. It > was very trimmed down, one desktop, no visual effects, etc. Adding 128MB > of RAM to all the machines for install was a big slowdown. > > I then used one of the fresh liveCDs to install to a 4 gig drive, > initially thinking about using dd, and keeping it down to DVD size. > After factoring in some realities about size, I knew that each of the > destination machines would never install another app, never generate any > local info, and email was all stored on the email server. I trimmed it > down to the 2.6 gig size on the real physical 4 gig drive. Here's the > punch line... I used default BIOS stuff on everything, both VMware and > the physical drive. I may need to back up and check at the BIOS in the > actual machine that had the 4 gig drive. > >> What is the specific GRUB error that you're seeing? The GRUB >> documentation lists 34 possible error codes. > > I will check it on Monday. > > Thanks! > Scott S. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at scheie.homedns.org Sat Nov 29 15:54:46 2008 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:54:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting Acer One from SD card? Message-ID: <493165C6.5060007@scheie.homedns.org> The discussion of Brian's 45 Acer Ones jives with something I've been thinking about. I want to get an A1, but I'll need a few months to save up for it. In the meantime, I'll have to live vicariously through you, Brian. ;-) On #ltsp, someone mentioned using netbooks as 'wireless pseudo thin clients' (my term). They had installed just enough of linux to get NX running and then pointed that at the LTSP server. This has been discussed before, sometimes described as a 'chubby client'. It gives you the advantage of having all the apps in one place (the server) but also the advantage of wireless. The person on #ltsp said that the use of NX kept the wireless bandwidth consumption low enought to support a whole classroom with one WAP, and was, if I recall correctly, under 100K per user. The downside of this arrangement is that you have to install an OS, a specialized one at that, onto each A1, which means that scaling up is more more difficult from a management standpoint. Predictablility is paramount for most teachers, and having the OS on the client not boot because someone messed with it can ruin a computer system's reputation. My latest idea is to put the OS onto an SD card and boot the A1 from that. 1GB SD cards are cheap, about $5, maybe less if you bought a large quantity. You could burn a bunch of these including extras, give the extras to the teacher(s), so that if, when the kids grab the A1s for whatever project, one says "This one's not booting", the teacher can just pop in a new SD card. This does have the problem of kids taking the SD card, but it's easier to deal with than needing to have the A1 in your possession to actually getting it working which would be the case if the internal storage were used. Any thoughts on this idea? Peter From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Nov 29 16:00:45 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:00:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression Message-ID: <1227974445.18088.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Scott, I think Peter has by far,the best logic on this!. For a few dollars in cat5e and one or two switches, these would be a prime fit for a k12ltsp lab. Tell your superiors?:) that the dollars spent on the box of wire and switches will save them $$ by you not having to spend a couple/three days cloning the hd's then still having marginal workstations. I know this all is easier said than done. You can simply install eb_2_hd on the existing hd's and you'd have a nice setup if you get even a decent server to serve the TC's. If you haven't ever used eb_2_hd, it is a very simple 2 step process to erase your hd,and install etherboot image to hd for each nic in the given machine. Installs from a floppy disk (which these machines already have).Takes about 5 mins to do each machine. Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Nov 29 16:14:50 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:14:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression Message-ID: <1227975290.18754.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Scott, Forgot to put in the url for etherboot on hd. AKA: eb_on_hd. its kinda tricky to find:) Can't be much simpler than this to get a working TC. It will set up almost any pci nic. Takes 5 mins per machine. http://etherboot.anadex.de/ Hope this helps. Barry From lesmikesell at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 16:51:52 2008 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:51:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression In-Reply-To: <493160EF.3050905@scheie.homedns.org> References: <49300F18.4040001@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4930727B.4020800@bigpond.net.au> <4930CF90.4050607@tranquility.net> <4930E416.5030408@cmosnetworks.com> <49310134.9020108@tranquility.net> <493160EF.3050905@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <49317328.1080608@gmail.com> Peter Scheie wrote: > Actually, this sounds like a good case for using LTSP with the machines, > cable plant aside. Would stringing some cat6 cable to these machines, > one by one, be out of the question? Considering a modest server can be > had for $500, you could then show how those old machines can be given > new life just by having a new wire pulled. I think it would be cheaper > than trying to buy RAM for such old machines. Just a thought. > I have to agree with this. You aren't going to like performance with 256k RAM and it is difficult and expensive to find old-style RAM these days. If the machines are together or in small groups where you can park a so-so box as a k12ltsp server and squid proxy with a 100MB switch on the local side the clients will work better than on their own. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Nov 29 17:33:20 2008 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:33:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] hplip worth setting up , using In-Reply-To: <1227970179.15957.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1227970179.15957.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49317CE0.8090108@cmosnetworks.com> I've done it several times, both with "stock" CentOS 5 and with K12LTSP 5EL. Yep, it's actually pretty easy. Version 2.8 of HPLIP made tons of improvements and even recognizes the latest HP OfficeJets. Do note, though, that to recognize some of the latest models (e. g. OfficeJet 6480, which my Dad has), you may need to uninstall the stock HPLIP and download/install the latest one from hplip.sourceforge.net. But it is not at all difficult to do this. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello All, > > Just thought this may be on some use to people here on the list. If you > haven't checked much into the workings of hplip it is worth your time to > read up on this if you are using any hp jetdirect printers or usb hp > printers. Of course 'way back' this piece was very iffy.It's all on your > k12ltsp server installed by default, BTW. Now, once set up correctly you > can view all of your hp printers , networked as well as hanging off of a > usb TC,all in one interface. It's easy now to set up the extended > functionality of the newer hp printers such as card readers to allow > users to view their memory cards with a launcher on the desktop. For > teachers for example. Shows cartridge levels,panel errors, etc,just as > if you were in front of the printer. Makes admining printers a little > *less* of a pain in the neck:) I have printers from three remote school > buildings all available now without having to drive all over creation to > see what errors are on it . > Just another of my 2 pennies:-) > Hope this helps. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bfristen at shaw.ca Sat Nov 29 17:41:53 2008 From: bfristen at shaw.ca (Brian Fristensky) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:41:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DVI monitor Message-ID: <49317EE1.3040903@shaw.ca> I have an LCD monitor on a Diskless Workstations PXE 1420. When I connect the monitor to the terminal using a DVI cable, the terminal boots fine in character mode, but when X11 starts, the screen goes blank. This occurs just after the message "Adding udev persistant rules". If I boot with an SVGA analog monitor, at this point the "X" cursor appears. How does one get LTSP to start X11 using a DVI monitor. -- ============================================ Brian Fristensky 971 Somerville Avenue Winnipeg MB R3T 1B4 CANADA bfristen at shaw.ca 204-261-3960 ============================================ From ssh at tranquility.net Sun Nov 30 01:56:30 2008 From: ssh at tranquility.net (Scott S.) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:56:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression In-Reply-To: <49317328.1080608@gmail.com> References: <49300F18.4040001@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4930727B.4020800@bigpond.net.au> <4930CF90.4050607@tranquility.net> <4930E416.5030408@cmosnetworks.com> <49310134.9020108@tranquility.net> <493160EF.3050905@scheie.homedns.org> <49317328.1080608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4931F2CE.7050108@tranquility.net> Thanks all for the replies. I had originally proposed a K12LTSP solution, but these machines are physically very spread out. We're talking many boxes of cable and there's three stories in the building. There's perhaps 100 of them total. I've replaced a few dozen already. I agree that bumping up the RAM on this mish-mash of old machines will be difficult. Their needs are very simple, 256 meg seems to be very adequate. Most of them are only running a 5250 emulator to a couple of AS/400s, and an SSH session to an IBM AIX server. Some of them will need Firefox to use as a mail client. None of these machines will be exposed to the outside. No Flash, etc is needed. I do have a decent machine with removable bays, that's what I have been generating the image and doing the dev work on. I had considered yanking the drives and sticking them into there for imaging. I normally use this machine for forensics and data recovery. There's enough Winderrs machines around that go braindead, that the ability to stick their drives into this box and suck the data off has proved very useful. That machine uses sidux.com for it's base OS. This is a warehouse environment, and most of the machines are tucked into pretty tight cubbyholes and all wires are zip-tied every few inches. They are hard to get out, though some of them need it for cleaning. I have been using a Damn Small Linux boot floppy, with a USB DVD drive to re-image them in place. The suggestions about the BIOS in the original imaging machine seem like a good thing to check. My immediate boss is Linux-curious, which is how I got this far with it. Above him, they want Winderrs, which is a terrible waste of PC resources for the simple needs these machines have. I explained (and demonstrated) K12LTSP and was initially suggesting that as a solution. He said to get these old ones replaced first, then we might run a few runs of cable to try it on a few. Running enough cable to do them all would be a major project. thx, Scott S. From Steven at SimplyCircus.com Sun Nov 30 04:35:27 2008 From: Steven at SimplyCircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:35:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression In-Reply-To: <4931F2CE.7050108@tranquility.net> References: <49300F18.4040001@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4930727B.4020800@bigpond.net.au> <4930CF90.4050607@tranquility.net> <4930E416.5030408@cmosnetworks.com> <49310134.9020108@tranquility.net> <493160EF.3050905@scheie.homedns.org> <49317328.1080608@gmail.com> <4931F2CE.7050108@tranquility.net> Message-ID: How are these machines connected to the network now? --- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Scott S. > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:57 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression > > Thanks all for the replies. I had originally proposed a K12LTSP > solution, but these machines are physically very spread out. We're > talking many boxes of cable and there's three stories in the building. > There's perhaps 100 of them total. I've replaced a few dozen already. I > agree that bumping up the RAM on this mish-mash of old machines will be > difficult. > > Their needs are very simple, 256 meg seems to be very adequate. Most of > them are only running a 5250 emulator to a couple of AS/400s, and an > SSH > session to an IBM AIX server. Some of them will need Firefox to use as > a > mail client. None of these machines will be exposed to the outside. No > Flash, etc is needed. > > I do have a decent machine with removable bays, that's what I have been > generating the image and doing the dev work on. I had considered > yanking > the drives and sticking them into there for imaging. I normally use > this > machine for forensics and data recovery. There's enough Winderrs > machines around that go braindead, that the ability to stick their > drives into this box and suck the data off has proved very useful. That > machine uses sidux.com for it's base OS. > > This is a warehouse environment, and most of the machines are tucked > into pretty tight cubbyholes and all wires are zip-tied every few > inches. They are hard to get out, though some of them need it for > cleaning. > > I have been using a Damn Small Linux boot floppy, with a USB DVD drive > to re-image them in place. The suggestions about the BIOS in the > original imaging machine seem like a good thing to check. > > My immediate boss is Linux-curious, which is how I got this far with > it. > Above him, they want Winderrs, which is a terrible waste of PC > resources > for the simple needs these machines have. I explained (and > demonstrated) > K12LTSP and was initially suggesting that as a solution. He said to get > these old ones replaced first, then we might run a few runs of cable to > try it on a few. Running enough cable to do them all would be a major > project. > > thx, > Scott S. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ssh at tranquility.net Sun Nov 30 08:08:11 2008 From: ssh at tranquility.net (Scott S.) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:08:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression In-Reply-To: References: <49300F18.4040001@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <4930727B.4020800@bigpond.net.au> <4930CF90.4050607@tranquility.net> <4930E416.5030408@cmosnetworks.com> <49310134.9020108@tranquility.net> <493160EF.3050905@scheie.homedns.org> <49317328.1080608@gmail.com> <4931F2CE.7050108@tranquility.net> Message-ID: <493249EB.8020805@tranquility.net> Steven Santos wrote: > How are these machines connected to the network now? Scott S. wrote: > The network they are on > is a mish-mash of token ring and ethernet, and it's mostly wired with > old IBM Type 2 wiring. The ethernet ones are using a balun to use the > old wiring. They are mostly 100mbit, perhaps a quarter of them are 10mbit. Maybe a dozen left are token ring on a MAU, which Debian recognizes well as tr0. Some of them have cat5 and consumer dumb switches run to them as well. I am trying to avoid swapping hardware in/out of them as much as possible. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Nov 30 13:52:13 2008 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:52:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression Message-ID: <1228053133.2124.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Scott, Sounds like you are trying to keep the superiors happy there and that's the name of the game. Its like everything else in this bizz, once you are to the last unit you'll have a pretty good "routine" figured out. Problem is next time you go to do the same thing again, nothing will be the same :-) A couple things to keep in mind. On the older hd's like you are dealing with some of them had 15 heads per sector. If your master is on a conventional 16 heads per sector hd and you clone to a 15/sector hd you'll always get the grub error like you were mentioning. I never could figure out a workaround for this caveat. Also You'll probably run into an hd that is smaller than your master and will result in the grub error as well. Say your master is on an 4gb and you have a one off 3.2gb. Good luck and let us know what kinda shortcuts you figured out at the end of all of this. Barry Cisna From ssh at tranquility.net Sun Nov 30 18:00:22 2008 From: ssh at tranquility.net (Scott S.) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:00:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cloning drives, no network or compression In-Reply-To: <1228053133.2124.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1228053133.2124.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4932D4B6.9000509@tranquility.net> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Scott, > > Sounds like you are trying to keep the superiors happy there and that's > the name of the game. The immediate boss is cool, he is interested. The higher-ups just shrug off the (much) greater cost of Windows as necessary. I understand some of the frustration many of you have expressed here about bucking the system with something new, even if it is much better and cheaper. > the same :-) A couple things to keep in mind. On the older hd's like you > are dealing with some of them had 15 heads per sector. If your master is > on a conventional 16 heads per sector hd and you clone to a 15/sector hd > you'll always get the grub error like you were mentioning. I never could > figure out a workaround for this caveat. Again, good hints to check on. I chose a small 4 gig HD originally for the master thinking of space, I wasn't thinking about drive geometry. Perhaps I can prepare an image from a more modern HD, and have two choices available. > Also You'll probably run into > an hd that is smaller than your master and will result in the grub error > as well. I have one foolproof way? I have the modified distro on a CD that is a bootable liveCD. As long as I can bump the RAM up to 384 it will boot as a liveCD. It's partitioning then sets everything up OK. It's more hassle to remove each one, open it up hang a CD on it but it works, and is actually the fastest install. > Say your master is on an 4gb and you have a one off 3.2gb. The physical disk the master is on is a 4 gig, but the install image is about 2.6 gig, so at least spacewise it should fit anything I will come across. There is a large graveyard of old machines I can harvest for parts as well. I am still holding hope that a small trial of a terminal server would convince them to start rewiring. Rewiring alone would be a huge project, and somewhat disruptive, but a needed step for the sake of the network(s) no matter what they put on it. Thx all for the tips, I have several things to check tomorrow! Scott S.