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Hi folks
seems we're all waiting for k12linux, however here we have managed to get ltsp5 working on fedora 9, and incorporated all the features of k12lltsp that we wanted. It does include openoffice 3 and java enabled firefox, flash, sound. etc. works a treat. It would be good to see a dedicated release for sure as we had a few problems with teacher tool and other minor issues which have taken time to rectify, but the effort has been worthwhile.  It was necessary to do this as some of the clients we are using had pxe bootable cards not recognised by 4.2, and this has been solved by using 5

Also of interest is the discussion on sugar. Here we have settled on gnome as it (for us) is the easiest way for students to connect to files on servers other then the lts that exist on the network, and offers an interface closer to other operating systems in the school.

So while we wait for a dedicated iso, we will keep working on adding things in to our current set-up

Steve
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Today's Topics:

   1. RE: Sugar on K12osn (Doug Simpson)
   2. Excellent article/videos about Linux in Education
      (Robert Arkiletian)
   3. Re: Sugar on K12osn (Dan Young)
   4. Re: Sugar on K12osn (David Farning)
   5. Re: Sugar on K12osn (David Farning)
   6. Re: Sugar on K12osn (Rob Owens)
   7. Re: Sugar on K12osn (Nils Breunese)
   8. Re: Sugar on K12osn (David Farning)
   9. screen resolution issue (Will Hatch)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:20:21 -0500
From: "Doug Simpson" <simpsond leopards k12 ar us>
Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Sugar on K12osn
To: "'Support list for open source software in schools.'"
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What the heqq is Sugar, besides the white powdery substance added to tea to make it tolerable?

DS

Doug Simpson
Technology Specialist
De Queen Public Schools
De Queen, AR
simpsond leopards k12 ar us
"A Dollar Saved is a Dollar Earned"


>>> "Steven Santos" <Steven SimplyCircus com> 10/15/2008 10:21 AM >>>
As I recall, the firth suggestion was to make sure sugar would play nicely in an LTSP environment.  Has this too been accomplished?

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> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of David Farning
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> To: k12osn redhat com
> Subject: [K12OSN] Sugar on K12osn
>
> About two months ago I started a thread about getting Sugar[1] on LTSP.
> I recived three pieces of advice.
> 1. Get Fedora packages.
> 2. Get Sugar to start as a standard x-session
> 3. Reduce memory consumptions.
> The developers on the Fedora OLPC team have taken care of these three
> issues.  There are now live Fedora CDs and USBs that run Sugar as an X-
> session on 256M machines.
> What should we start working on next?
> thanks
> david
>
>
> 1.  http://sugarlabs.org/go/Main_Page
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:25:34 -0700
From: "Robert Arkiletian" <robark gmail com>
Subject: [K12OSN] Excellent article/videos about Linux in Education
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http://hehe2.net/advocacy/how-linux-helped-5-poverty-stricken-governments/

--
Robert Arkiletian
Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada
Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/
C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:12:33 -0700
From: "Dan Young" <dyoung mesd k12 or us>
Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sugar on K12osn
To: "Support list for open source software in schools."
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Doug Simpson
<simpsond leopards k12 ar us> wrote:
> What the heqq is Sugar, besides the white powdery substance added to tea to make it tolerable?

OLPC Human Interface:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar

--
Dan Young <dyoung mesd k12 or us>
Multnomah ESD - Technology Services
503-257-1562



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:20:30 -0500
From: David Farning <dfarning sugarlabs org>
Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sugar on K12osn
To: Tom Hoffman <tom hoffman gmail com>
Cc: "\"support list for open source software in schools.\""
        <k12osn redhat com>
Message-ID: <564f43edbeb6cb6d4d617864eecc46f5 127 0 0 1>
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Which repository should we target? I was reading a thread about 'CentOS exactly tracks RHEL.  Therefore, we may see it in RHEL 6, thus CentOS 6, and thus K12Linux 6EL.' with regard to OO3 yesterday.  Does this apply?  Or is there a more appropriate repository?
Our Jabber server still needs a considerable amount of work.  There is a significant amount of unnecessary overhead in the current implementation.  So scaling is limited.  I'll follow up when when we have a working implementation ready as a RPM.
thanks
david

On  10/15/2008, 10:21, Tom Hoffman (tom hoffman gmail com) wrote:A Jabber server that works with Sugar out of the box.  --Tom  On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:31 AM, David Farning  wrote: > About two months ago I started a thread about getting Sugar[1] on LTSP.  I recived three pieces of advice. > 1. Get Fedora packages. > 2. Get Sugar to start as a standard x-session > 3. Reduce memory consumptions. > The developers on the Fedora OLPC team have taken care of these three issues.  There are now live Fedora CDs and USBs that run Sugar as an X-session on 256M machines. > What should we start working on next? > thanks > david > > > 1.  http://sugarlabs.org/go/Main_Page > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN redhat com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see /www.k12os.org> >  _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN redhat com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:20:30 -0500
From: David Farning <dfarning sugarlabs org>
Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sugar on K12osn
To: Tom Hoffman <tom hoffman gmail com>
Cc: "\"support list for open source software in schools.\""
        <k12osn redhat com>
Message-ID: <564f43edbeb6cb6d4d617864eecc46f5 127 0 0 1>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Which repository should we target? I was reading a thread about 'CentOS exactly tracks RHEL.  Therefore, we may see it in RHEL 6, thus CentOS 6, and thus K12Linux 6EL.' with regard to OO3 yesterday.  Does this apply?  Or is there a more appropriate repository?
Our Jabber server still needs a considerable amount of work.  There is a significant amount of unnecessary overhead in the current implementation.  So scaling is limited.  I'll follow up when when we have a working implementation ready as a RPM.
thanks
david

On  10/15/2008, 10:21, Tom Hoffman (tom hoffman gmail com) wrote:A Jabber server that works with Sugar out of the box.  --Tom  On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:31 AM, David Farning  wrote: > About two months ago I started a thread about getting Sugar[1] on LTSP.  I recived three pieces of advice. > 1. Get Fedora packages. > 2. Get Sugar to start as a standard x-session > 3. Reduce memory consumptions. > The developers on the Fedora OLPC team have taken care of these three issues.  There are now live Fedora CDs and USBs that run Sugar as an X-session on 256M machines. > What should we start working on next? > thanks > david > > > 1.  http://sugarlabs.org/go/Main_Page > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN redhat com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see /www.k12os.org> >  _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN redhat com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:33:06 -0400
From: Rob Owens <rob owens biochemfluidics com>
Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sugar on K12osn
To: David Farning <dfarning sugarlabs org>,     "Support list for open
        source software in schools." <k12osn redhat com>
Message-ID: <48F72672 3070105 biochemfluidics com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

LTSP and K12LTSP are changing.  Currently K12LTSP uses LTSP 4.2.  Future
versions will use LTSP 5, which is a major change.  Without getting into
too many details, LTSP 5 requires some changes at the distro level.
Fedora is currently implementing these changes, so there looks like
there will definitely be a Fedora-based K12LTSP (renamed K12Linux, I
think).

But will there be a CentOS-based one?  I'm not sure.  My guess is that
K12LTSP 5EL (the current CentOS-based version, using LTSP 4.2) will not
be upgraded for a while.  Before a new version comes out, RedHat must
implement the distro-level changes that Fedora is currently doing.
Maybe that'll happen with their next release, but I don't know if it's
something they're working on or not.  Anybody?

By the way, you might also want to check w/ the Edubuntu folks.  They
are pushing LTSP use in schools as well.

-Rob

David Farning wrote:
> Which repository should we target? I was reading a thread about 'CentOS exactly tracks RHEL.  Therefore, we may see it in RHEL 6, thus CentOS 6, and thus K12Linux 6EL.' with regard to OO3 yesterday.  Does this apply?  Or is there a more appropriate repository?
> Our Jabber server still needs a considerable amount of work.  There is a significant amount of unnecessary overhead in the current implementation.  So scaling is limited.  I'll follow up when when we have a working implementation ready as a RPM.
> thanks
> david
>
> On  10/15/2008, 10:21, Tom Hoffman (tom hoffman gmail com) wrote:A Jabber server that works with Sugar out of the box.  --Tom  On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:31 AM, David Farning  wrote: > About two months ago I started a thread about getting Sugar[1] on LTSP.  I recived three pieces of advice. > 1. Get Fedora packages. > 2. Get Sugar to start as a standard x-session > 3. Reduce memory consumptions. > The developers on the Fedora OLPC team have taken care of these three issues.  There are now live Fedora CDs and USBs that run Sugar as an X-session on 256M machines. > What should we start working on next? > thanks > david > > > 1.  http://sugarlabs.org/go/Main_Page > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN redhat com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see /www.k12os.org> >  _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN redhat com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:56:04 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Nils Breunese" <nils breun nl>
Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sugar on K12osn
To: "David Farning" <dfarning sugarlabs org>,   "Support list for open
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David Farning wrote:

> Which repository should we target? I was reading a thread about 'CentOS
> exactly tracks RHEL.  Therefore, we may see it in RHEL 6, thus CentOS 6,
> and thus K12Linux 6EL.' with regard to OO3 yesterday.  Does this apply?
> Or is there a more appropriate repository?

Yes, this is how CentOS works. CentOS is just a rebuild of RHEL source
packages with the branding removed.

I hear there are Fedora packages for Sugar now. A nice way to make Sugar
available to CentOS/RHEL, and thus K12LTSP EL, would be to make those
packages available in the EPEL repository which provides Fedora packages
to RHEL/CentOS 4 and 5: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL

Nils Breunese.



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:05:33 -0500
From: David Farning <dfarning sugarlabs org>
Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sugar on K12osn
To: Nils Breunese <nils breun nl>
Cc: "\"support list for open source software in schools.\""
        <k12osn redhat com>
Message-ID: <331eeafd1350e5c1d83ba5235ac5fbc8 127 0 0 1>
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Thanks,
I will see about getting the packages included in EPEL.
Because we are a pretty young project,  our development rate is pretty high.  I will see about stablizing a release enough to work with EPEL.
thanks
david

On  10/16/2008, 09:56, Nils Breunese (nils breun nl) wrote:David Farning wrote:  > Which repository should we target? I was reading a thread about 'CentOS > exactly tracks RHEL.  Therefore, we may see it in RHEL 6, thus CentOS 6, > and thus K12Linux 6EL.' with regard to OO3 yesterday.  Does this apply? > Or is there a more appropriate repository?  Yes, this is how CentOS works. CentOS is just a rebuild of RHEL source packages with the branding removed.  I hear there are Fedora packages for Sugar now. A nice way to make Sugar available to CentOS/RHEL, and thus K12LTSP EL, would be to make those packages available in the EPEL repository which provides Fedora packages to RHEL/CentOS 4 and 5: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL  Nils Breunese.





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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:33:37 -0400
From: "Will Hatch" <whatch anwsu org>
Subject: [K12OSN] screen resolution issue
To: <k12osn redhat com>
Message-ID: <48F72683 0948 00D4 0 anwsu org>
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Some programs, such as tuxtype, change the desktop screen resolution when users start the program.  Is there a way to prevent this?  I had to log out the user, and log them back in to get back to the correct resolution.  Is there a preferred resolution with k12ltsp?


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