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Re: What has happened to [K12OSN] K12Linux



"Keep it Simple, Stupid" is great for things that are simple, but a complete Linux distribution, not to mention LTSP is far from simple. One of Carla's main gripes seems to be the splitting up of config files. Sure it's more complicated, but I don't see a ton of stuff that gets put in that's done simply to make things more complicated. For example, yum.conf used to hold the repos that your system could use in a single file. Now each repo is in its own file under /etc/yum.repos.d/ Why would they do that when it was so simple to edit a single file? Well, what if you want to have the repo definition in an rpm file that you can easily click on a webpage and install without opening a text editor? It's much easier to drop a repo definition into that directory and remove it with a package manager than it is to mess around with your config file in a package post-install procedure.

Making things easy for the novice to configure with a GUI comes at the expense of making it more difficult for the expert to edit files by hand. Still, I don't think this is the big deal that Carla is making it out to be (then again, I'm not trying to get hits on my website for ad revenue).

K12LTSP was great, but the world has moved on. Fedora+LTSP5 (k12linux) has some really cool things going for it. The work going on with local apps is worth the switch alone.

The only thing in k12linux that I don't see as an improvement to K12ltsp is the use of a network bridge to keep the DHCP server off the physical network. It's intention is to protect us from ourselves, which is nice, but I did have trouble removing it and passing traffic through eth0. I'm really hoping that using a network bridge is NOT the default for the next version.

Luis

bear2bar wrote:
Hi,
You can add my vote to the growing list of "Confused Linux Promoters" a.k.a Linux Sys Admin & Users you find it near to impossible to believe what has happened to Linux. As an early adopter of K12LTSP I was delighted by the ease and coherent approach to setting up and run a thin-client system, now with K12linux it seems nothing short of a miracle if the server doesn't ..... ugh ..... crash, something akin to the "Blue Screen of Death". Although I do agree that that Linux has progressed dramatically in a few short years it has also become a daunting challenge to manage & maintain. The development of utilities like Yum & Smart do make updates easier, however when an application doesn't work trying to find the problem & resolve it is no easier than finding a coherent entry in the M$ registry. I have always adopted the "KISS" principle maybe it time to take a step back and try that approach to Linux, least it go the way of the "Dodo bird"

Norbert Bedoucha
UNIX/Linux Sys Admin & Volunteer, as in for free, K12LTSP integrator in schools and community organizations
Moon wrote:
After having spent better part of the afternoon just trying to setup K12Linux and really questioning why, I ran across an article this afternoon that kind of hit the nail on the head. It is an article written by someone I believe most of you know; Carla Schroder. I say she hit the nail on the head because she points out the real coming demise of Linux, especially Red Hat (Fedora mostly so far, but Ubuntu is doing their share, although the GNOME people are adding their own level of confusion) which I also believe is doing their own "Vista" self destruction. Take a moment and read the article, then go back and compare K12LTSP to K12Linux and tell me I'm wrong.

http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/01/linux-succumbs.html

On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 19:27 -0500, Warren Togami wrote:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=479893
Live Hard Drive install shouldn't mangle the ifcfg-* files

Thanks to Almquist Burke for discovering this critical issue in the previous spin. I respun the images as "stable2".

Going ahead with formal announcement probably tomorrow.

Warren Togami
wtogami redhat com <mailto:wtogami redhat com>

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