From Roman.Hardin at bardstown.kyschools.us Mon Jun 1 21:08:25 2009 From: Roman.Hardin at bardstown.kyschools.us (Hardin, Roman) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:08:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] External DHCP, DNS,& Everything One nic Message-ID: <7DD3A3003F797B4AAB7B8BCF84FF15C6030FE56A@ED017X1.bardstown.ketsds.net> Hi all, I am an administrator at a school and only recently have come upon the K12LTSP linux project. I would like to get a server and some clients working for our 3 and 4 year old users. I think this could be a perfect solution for them. I am certainly somewhat of a Linux newbie, so with that said here is my issue. I need help getting setup LTSP on the new FC 10 release. I will have an all Microsoft L network accept for these Linux machines. I have already running, External DHCP,DNS,WINS and Proxy. I only want to use one NIC if at all possible. I have looked at the knowledge base wiki but have not been able to wrap my head around exactly how I am going to accomplish this. I have about 10 clients running Optiplex SX260's with 512mb and gig nics. My server is a Quad Core Optiplex with gig nic and 4gb of ram. I know that is overkill but it was given to me so to speak. If anyone could help I would be grateful. If I need to provide any more info I would be glad to. Thanks in advance. Roman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Jun 2 01:33:09 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:33:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] C-Media CM8738 Sound Card Problem Message-ID: <1243906389.16453.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> murrah, on the dell laptop,,as it boots do you ever see a line in the scrolling text that says: "accepting connections on port 16001",,,? This would appear shortly before the end of the boot process,,before configuring x lines starts to appear. try the following in a terminal on the TC; telnet ws253 16001 try on the sever console( with the TC booted up) telnet ws253 16001 see if you get a connection this way,,, if you never see the above line ,,,accepting,,,,you may see some sort of error message when the maestro sound module is trying to be loaded at TC boot up, post back your findings,,, take care, Barry Cisna From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Jun 2 02:47:40 2009 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:47:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Local CD/DVD and USB Drive Problems From Terminal In-Reply-To: <4A230206.3060706@isp-systems.net> References: <4A22E1CA.1060002@isp-systems.net> <4A22F5E9.30209@scheie.homedns.org> <4A230206.3060706@isp-systems.net> Message-ID: <4A2492CC.30805@scheie.homedns.org> murrah boswell wrote: > Hello Peter, > > Peter Scheie wrote: >> Access to local CD drives on the client does not support music CDs. >> They are a different format than data CDs. > > Okay, thanks for the info! Is there any way to support music CDs? > No. See my original reply. > Also, I did get the USB access working from the terminal, however, there > is strange behavior. If I plug a USB stick in on the server, it shows up > on my testing terminal desktop also. But if I just mount one from the > terminal it does not appear on the server desktop. > > I do not want a USB stick mounted at the server to appear at the > terminal(s)? Is this configurable, and if so, how? > From a conversation I had with one of the devs on #ltsp: "Install perl-suid then create a script in /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d (you may have to create that directory) on the application server and a script called fixperm inside it, containing: #!/usr/bin/perl if ( $ARGV[0] eq 'add' ) { $ENV{'PATH'} = '/bin:/usr/bin'; $user=getpwuid($<); system "chown", "$user.root","/media/$user"; } then you have to set permission 4755 on that script so that the script is setuid root as the script is run as the user and it wouldn't normally have the right to change the permission on that directory if all goes well, the directory in /media/ will change to $user.root when something is plugged and will then only appear on the user's desktop." I haven't tried this myself yet; YMMV. HTH Peter > Regards, > Murrah Boswell > >> >> Peter >> >> murrah boswell wrote: >>> Hello All, >>> >>> I am using the K12Linux 10 Live CD booted on a server from a USB stick! >>> >>> I read that K12Linux provides access to local devices like the CD/DVD >>> drive but when I put a music cd into the local drive and try to play >>> it, I get an error about not being able to mount /dev/sr0 because of >>> Permission denied. >>> >>> How can I enable the clients to utilize local resources like the >>> CD/DVD drive and USB dive? >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Murrah Boswell >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From burke at thealmquists.net Tue Jun 2 04:00:27 2009 From: burke at thealmquists.net (Almquist Burke) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:00:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] External DHCP, DNS,& Everything One nic In-Reply-To: <7DD3A3003F797B4AAB7B8BCF84FF15C6030FE56A@ED017X1.bardstown.ketsds.net> References: <7DD3A3003F797B4AAB7B8BCF84FF15C6030FE56A@ED017X1.bardstown.ketsds.net> Message-ID: <5130EF7E-4B6E-4CD5-BB91-574F6FB92D8E@thealmquists.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 1, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Hardin, Roman wrote: > Hi all, > > I am an administrator at a school and only recently have come upon > the K12LTSP linux project. I would like to get a server and some > clients working for our 3 and 4 year old users. I think this could > be a perfect solution for them. I am certainly somewhat of a Linux > newbie, so with that said here is my issue. I need help getting > setup LTSP on the new FC 10 release. I will have an all Microsoft L > network accept for these Linux machines. I have already running, > External DHCP,DNS,WINS and Proxy. I only want to use one NIC if at > all possible. I have looked at the knowledge base wiki but have not > been able to wrap my head around exactly how I am going to > accomplish this. I have about 10 clients running Optiplex SX260?s > with 512mb and gig nics. My server is a Quad Core Optiplex with gig > nic and 4gb of ram. I know that is overkill but it was given to me > so to speak. If anyone could help I would be grateful. If I need to > provide any more info I would be glad to. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Roman > May I ask why you want to do a one NIC setup? But if you really need a one NIC setup, this is the place to look. https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/NetworkSetup and this https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/MixedNetworkSetup If you have any questions, please let me know. Plus, it might help me improve the documentation. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkoko9sACgkQxWV7OPa/g5FaoQCfeo0+ifQ2tbxgpx0QxsX/qlxP UAUAn1f+T9VHt9gzE/kat+ji0DMV4W5f =moxP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Tue Jun 2 05:18:11 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:18:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] C-Media CM8738 Sound Card Problem In-Reply-To: <1243906389.16453.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1243906389.16453.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A24B613.1000305@isp-systems.net> Hello Barry, > on the dell laptop,,as it boots do you ever see a line in the scrolling > text that says: > "accepting connections on port 16001",,,? > This would appear shortly before the end of the boot process,,before > configuring x lines starts to appear. > try the following in a terminal on the TC; > telnet ws253 16001 > try on the sever console( with the TC booted up) > telnet ws253 16001 > see if you get a connection this way,,, > if you never see the above line ,,,accepting,,,,you may see some sort of > error message when the maestro sound module is trying to be loaded at TC > boot up, > post back your findings,,, I have in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf : [ws253] SMODULE_01 = "snd-maestro3" I have even tried [ws253] SMODULE_01 = "/opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.17.8-ltsp-1/kernel/sound/pci/snd-maestro3.ko" To see if I could get insmod to load it since I realized that modprobe is not on the TC, but the same error. When the TC is booting I see a message to the effect of: FATAL: Module maestro3 not found Where exactly is the snd-maestro3 module supposed to be located? If I do a find /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.17.8-ltsp-1/kernel/ | grep snd I see /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.17.8-ltsp-1/kernel/sound/pci/snd-maestro3.ko in the list. When I try to telnet to port 16001, I get: [root at testbed ~]# telnet ws253 16001 Trying 10.10.1.253... telnet: connect to address 10.10.1.253: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused Regards, Murrah Boswell > > take care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Tue Jun 2 06:13:43 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:13:43 -0700 Subject: BTW: Re: [K12OSN] C-Media CM8738 Sound Card Problem In-Reply-To: <4A221BBA.6090606@isp-systems.net> References: <1243738313.21567.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4A221BBA.6090606@isp-systems.net> Message-ID: <4A24C317.6070708@isp-systems.net> Hello Barry, If I connect the Dell C600 TC to a K12Linux 10 server via pxe, the sound works fine without any SMODULE_01 additions to lts.conf. So there is something in the difference between how the two systems view the TC and load modules it appears. I do have to tweek the video settings in lts.conf using K12Linux 10 though, where they are perfect under K12LTSP 5EL. Regards, Murrah Boswell murrah boswell wrote: > Hello Barry, > >> as the tc boots ,do you ever see the line "accepting connections on port >> 16001",,,shortly before the line to start configuring x? >> from a terminal on the server do the following,,as root: >> tail -f /var/log/messages >> boot the tc,post back here what is in the messages file. >> you may want to try adding an entry in the lts.conf file for this TC. >> Something like, >> >> [ws100] >> SMODULE_01 = cmipci >> > > The CM8738 is on my server and I finally got it operational by install > the alsa drivers for the cmipci. Once the drivers got located in the > uname -r kernel modules directory and I could modprobe the drivers into > the kernel, then the server sound card started working. > > However, the sound system on my client terminal is not working. I am > using a Dell C600 laptop to test with and it uses a maestro3 sound > chipset. I added an entry for my laptop in lts.conf: > > [ws253] > SMODULE_01 = snd-maestro3 > > And when I reconnected with the laptop via pxe I got: > > [root at testbed log]# tail -f messages > May 30 22:31:18 testbed dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:01:03:8b:0e:2e via eth0 > May 30 22:31:19 testbed dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 10.10.1.252 to > 00:01:03:8b:0e:2e via eth0 > May 30 22:31:19 testbed dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 10.10.1.252 (10.10.1.5) > from 00:01:03:8b:0e:2e via eth0 > May 30 22:31:19 testbed dhcpd: DHCPACK on 10.10.1.252 to > 00:01:03:8b:0e:2e via eth0 > May 30 22:31:19 testbed xinetd[1920]: START: tftp pid=22534 > from=10.10.1.252 > May 30 22:31:19 testbed in.tftpd[22535]: tftp: client does not accept > options > May 30 22:31:22 testbed dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:01:03:8b:0e:2e via eth0 > May 30 22:31:23 testbed dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 10.10.1.253 to > 00:01:03:8b:0e:2e via eth0 > May 30 22:31:23 testbed dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 10.10.1.253 (10.10.1.5) > from 00:01:03:8b:0e:2e via eth0 > May 30 22:31:23 testbed dhcpd: DHCPACK on 10.10.1.253 to > 00:01:03:8b:0e:2e via eth0 > May 30 22:31:23 testbed mountd[1988]: authenticated mount request from > ws253.ltsp:999 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 syslogd started: BusyBox v0.60.4 > (2007.01.18-19:26+0000) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Linux version 2.6.17.8-ltsp-1 (jam at bam) (gcc > version 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)) #0 PREEMPT Fri Aug 11 13:49:25 > EDT 2006 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: BIOS-provided physical RAM map: > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - > 000000000009fc00 (usable) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - > 00000000000a0000 (reserved) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - > 000000001ffdb000 (usable) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: BIOS-e820: 000000001ffdb000 - > 0000000020000000 (reserved) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: BIOS-e820: 00000000ffe00000 - > 0000000100000000 (reserved) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: 0MB HIGHMEM available. > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: 511MB LOWMEM available. > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: On node 0 totalpages: 131035 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:0 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Normal zone: 126939 pages, LIFO batch:31 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: DMI 2.3 present. > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: RSDP (v000 > DELL ) @ 0x000f4c00 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: RSDT (v001 DELL CPi R 0x27d30708 > ASL 0x00000061) @ 0x1fff0000 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: FADT (v001 DELL CPi R 0x27d30708 > ASL 0x00000061) @ 0x1fff0400 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: DSDT (v001 INT430 SYSFexxx 0x00001001 > MSFT 0x0100000e) @ 0x00000000 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x808 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Allocating PCI resources starting at > 30000000 (gap: 20000000:dfe00000) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Built 1 zonelists > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Kernel command line: root=/dev/ram0 rw > initrd=initramfs.gz BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz.ltsp auto > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception > support... done. > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Initializing CPU#0 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, > 8192 bytes) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Detected 1002.441 MHz processor. > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Using pmtmr for high-res timesource > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 > (order: 6, 262144 bytes) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Inode-cache hash table entries: 32768 > (order: 5, 131072 bytes) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Memory: 514300k/524140k available (2264k > kernel code, 9084k reserved, 640k data, 172k init, 0k highmem) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Checking if this processor honours the WP > bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Calibrating delay using timer specific > routine.. 2006.27 BogoMIPS (lpj=4012555) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Security Framework v1.0.0 initialized > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383f9ff > 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0383f9ff > 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: CPU: L2 cache: 256K > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f9ff > 00000000 00000000 00000040 00000000 00000000 00000000 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Intel machine check architecture supported. > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: CPU: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 0a > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: SMP alternatives: switching to UP code > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Freeing SMP alternatives: 0k freed > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: setting ELCR to 0200 (from 0820) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: checking if image is initramfs... it is > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Freeing initrd memory: 1244k freed > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: NET: Registered protocol family 16 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: bus type pci registered > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at > 0xfc13e, last bus=1 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Setting up standard PCI resources > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: Subsystem revision 20060127 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: Interpreter enabled > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: Using PIC for interrupt routing > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (0000:00) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: Assume root bridge [\_SB_.PCI0] bus is 0 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: PCI quirk: region 0800-083f claimed by PIIX4 > ACPI > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: PCI quirk: region 0840-084f claimed by PIIX4 > SMB > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: PIIX4 devres B PIO at 00e0-00e7 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: PIIX4 devres C PIO at 0850-085f > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Boot video device is 0000:01:00.0 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table > [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 9 10 *11) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs *5 7) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 9 10 > 11) *0, disabled. > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 5 7 9 > 10 *11) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table > [\_SB_.PCI0.AGP_._PRT] > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: ACPI: Power Resource [PADA] (on) > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam > Belay > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: PnP ACPI init > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: PnP ACPI: found 15 devices > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: PnPBIOS: Disabled by ACPI PNP > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: PCI: If a device doesn't work, try > "pci=routeirq". If it helps, post a report > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:02: ioport range 0x4d0-0x4d1 has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:02: ioport range 0x800-0x805 could > not be reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:02: ioport range 0x808-0x80f could > not be reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:03: ioport range 0x806-0x807 has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:03: ioport range 0x850-0x853 has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:03: ioport range 0x856-0x85f has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:03: ioport range 0x810-0x83f has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:03: ioport range 0x840-0x84f has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:03: ioport range 0x600-0x67f has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:03: ioport range 0x680-0x6ff has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:04: ioport range 0xf000-0xf0fe has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:04: ioport range 0xf100-0xf1fe has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:04: ioport range 0xf200-0xf2fe has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:04: ioport range 0xf400-0xf4fe has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:04: ioport range 0xf500-0xf5fe has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:04: ioport range 0xf600-0xf6fe has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:04: ioport range 0xf800-0xf8fe has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:04: ioport range 0xf900-0xf9fe has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: pnp: 00:09: ioport range 0x3f0-0x3f1 has > been reserved > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: PCI: Bridge: 0000:00:01.0 > May 30 22:31:24 ws253 root: IO window: e000-efff > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: MEM window: fd000000-feffffff > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: PREFETCH window: f8000000-fbffffff > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: PCI: Bus 2, cardbus bridge: 0000:00:03.0 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: IO window: 00001000-000010ff > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: IO window: 00001400-000014ff > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: PREFETCH window: 30000000-31ffffff > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: MEM window: 32000000-33ffffff > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: PCI: Bus 6, cardbus bridge: 0000:00:03.1 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: IO window: 00001800-000018ff > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: IO window: 00001c00-00001cff > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: PREFETCH window: 34000000-35ffffff > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: MEM window: 36000000-37ffffff > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:03.0 (0000 -> > 0003) > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] enabled at > IRQ 11 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: PCI: setting IRQ 11 as level-triggered > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:03.0[A] -> Link > [LNKD] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:03.1 (0000 -> > 0003) > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:03.1[A] -> Link > [LNKD] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: NET: Registered protocol family 2 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: IP route cache hash table entries: 4096 > (order: 2, 16384 bytes) > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: TCP established hash table entries: 16384 > (order: 4, 65536 bytes) > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: TCP bind hash table entries: 8192 (order: 3, > 32768 bytes) > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: TCP: Hash tables configured (established > 16384 bind 8192) > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: TCP reno registered > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 > okir at monad.swb.de). > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: Initializing Cryptographic API > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: io scheduler noop registered > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: io scheduler anticipatory registered (default) > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: io scheduler deadline registered > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: io scheduler cfq registered > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: Limiting direct PCI/PCI transfers. > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: isapnp: No Plug & Play device found > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: agpgart: Detected an Intel 440BX Chipset. > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xf4000000 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: [drm] Initialized drm 1.0.1 20051102 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: intelfb: Framebuffer driver for Intel(R) > 830M/845G/852GM/855GM/865G/915G/915GM chipsets > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: intelfb: Version 0.9.2 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ > 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is > a 16550A > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: 00:0d: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of > 8192K size 1024 blocksize > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: PNP: PS/2 Controller > [PNP0303:KBC,PNP0f13:PS2M] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: TCP bic registered > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: NET: Registered protocol family 1 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: NET: Registered protocol family 17 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: Using IPI Shortcut mode > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: ACPI wakeup devices: > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: LID PBTN PCI0 UAR1 USB0 MPCI > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S3 S4 S5) > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: Freeing unused kernel memory: 172k freed > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as > /class/input/input0 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.0[A] -> Link > [LNKD] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: 3c59x: Donald Becker and others. > www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: 0000:00:10.0: 3Com PCI 3c556 Laptop Tornado > at e080ec00. > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.0[A] -> Link > [LNKD] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: eth0: setting full-duplex. > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 5.7, id: > 0x9b48b1, caps: 0x804793/0x0 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: serio: Synaptics pass-through port at > isa0060/serio1/input0 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as > /class/input/input1 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: usbcore: registered new driver usbfs > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: usbcore: registered new driver hub > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: USB Universal Host Controller Interface > driver v3.0 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:07.2[D] -> Link > [LNKD] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: UHCI Host Controller > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: new USB bus > registered, assigned bus number 1 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: irq 11, io base > 0x0000dce0 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: ohci_hcd: 2005 April 22 USB 1.1 'Open' Host > Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI) > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: usb 1-1: new low speed USB device using > uhci_hcd and address 2 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as > /class/input/input2 > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: usbcore: registered new driver usbmouse > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: drivers/usb/input/usbmouse.c: v1.6:USB HID > Boot Protocol mouse driver > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: usbcore: registered new driver usbkbd > May 30 22:31:25 ws253 root: drivers/usb/input/usbkbd.c: :USB HID Boot > Protocol keyboard driver > May 30 22:31:32 ws253 root: udev detected add of floppy > May 30 22:31:32 ws253 /bin/ltspfsd[1089]: Program started > May 30 22:31:32 ws253 init: Entering runlevel: 5 > May 30 22:31:32 ws253 root: udev detected add of cdrom > May 30 22:32:31 ws253 ltspinfod: Connection from 10.10.1.5 port 51370 > > Then I logged on as a user: > > May 30 22:32:31 testbed gconfd (muleindeyard-22654): starting (version > 2.14.0), pid 22654 user 'muleindeyard' > May 30 22:32:31 testbed gconfd (muleindeyard-22654): Resolved address > "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only > configuration source at position 0 > May 30 22:32:31 testbed gconfd (muleindeyard-22654): Resolved address > "xml:readwrite:/home/muleindeyard/.gconf" to a writable configuration > source at position 1 > May 30 22:32:31 testbed gconfd (muleindeyard-22654): Resolved address > "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only > configuration source at position 2 > May 30 22:32:44 testbed gconfd (muleindeyard-22654): Resolved address > "xml:readwrite:/home/muleindeyard/.gconf" to a writable configuration > source at position 0 > > But I still have no local sound from the laptop. > > How can I probe for and detect the local sound device on the laptop > while in a k12ltsp session? I don't seem to have access to any of the > laptop devices? > > Regards, > Murrah Boswell > >> >> >> Take Care, >> Barry Cisna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Tue Jun 2 07:17:35 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:17:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Local CD/DVD and USB Drive Problems From Terminal In-Reply-To: <4A2492CC.30805@scheie.homedns.org> References: <4A22E1CA.1060002@isp-systems.net> <4A22F5E9.30209@scheie.homedns.org> <4A230206.3060706@isp-systems.net> <4A2492CC.30805@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <4A24D20F.5020508@isp-systems.net> Hello Peter, > "Install perl-suid > then create a script in /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d (you may have to create that > directory) on the application server > and a script called fixperm inside it, containing: > > #!/usr/bin/perl > if ( $ARGV[0] eq 'add' ) { > $ENV{'PATH'} = '/bin:/usr/bin'; > $user=getpwuid($<); > system "chown", "$user.root","/media/$user"; > } > > then you have to set permission 4755 on that script > so that the script is setuid root as the script is run as the user and it > wouldn't normally have the right to change the permission on that directory > if all goes well, the directory in /media/ will change to $user.root when > something is plugged and will then only appear on the user's desktop." The USB stick got mounted and ls -al /media ... drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 1969-12-31 17:00 NEW VOLUME The script didn't work, the USB stick still appeared on my TC desktop. What is it that triggers ltspfsd to run this script? BTW, I am logged in as root when I plug the stick in. Regards, Murrah Boswell > > I haven't tried this myself yet; YMMV. > > HTH > Peter > >> Regards, >> Murrah Boswell >> >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> murrah boswell wrote: >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> I am using the K12Linux 10 Live CD booted on a server from a USB stick! >>>> >>>> I read that K12Linux provides access to local devices like the >>>> CD/DVD drive but when I put a music cd into the local drive and try >>>> to play it, I get an error about not being able to mount /dev/sr0 >>>> because of Permission denied. >>>> >>>> How can I enable the clients to utilize local resources like the >>>> CD/DVD drive and USB dive? >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Murrah Boswell >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 2 15:29:55 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:29:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] External DHCP, DNS,& Everything One nic In-Reply-To: <7DD3A3003F797B4AAB7B8BCF84FF15C6030FE56A@ED017X1.bardstown.ketsds.net> References: <7DD3A3003F797B4AAB7B8BCF84FF15C6030FE56A@ED017X1.bardstown.ketsds.net> Message-ID: <994441ae0906020829v14e90d7ch69f32ad567add6ee@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Hardin, Roman wrote: > I am an administrator at a school and only recently have come upon the > K12LTSP linux project. I would like to get a server and some clients working > for our 3 and 4 year old users. I think this could be a perfect solution for > them. I am certainly somewhat of a Linux newbie, so with that said here is > my issue. I need help getting setup LTSP on the new FC 10 release. This may be a good place to start: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/LiveServer -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Jun 2 17:47:13 2009 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:47:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] C-Media CM8738 Sound Card Problem Message-ID: <65215.209.7.254.130.1243964833.squirrel@216.24.126.68> murrah, change your lts.conf entry to: [ws253] SMODULE_01 = maestro3 reboot the TC. See if this works for you,, Barry From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Wed Jun 3 00:55:20 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:55:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] C-Media CM8738 Sound Card Problem In-Reply-To: <65215.209.7.254.130.1243964833.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <65215.209.7.254.130.1243964833.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <4A25C9F8.3040901@isp-systems.net> Hello Barry, > change your lts.conf entry to: > > [ws253] > SMODULE_01 = maestro3 > > reboot the TC. > See if this works for you,, Same errors: Sound driver not found... FATAL: Module maestro3 not found Regards, Murrah > > > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Wed Jun 3 01:03:10 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:03:10 -0700 Subject: UPDATE: Re: [K12OSN] C-Media CM8738 Sound Card Problem In-Reply-To: <65215.209.7.254.130.1243964833.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <65215.209.7.254.130.1243964833.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <4A25CBCE.4080203@isp-systems.net> Barry, > murrah, > > change your lts.conf entry to: > > [ws253] > SMODULE_01 = maestro3 > > reboot the TC. > See if this works for you,, I put a completely bogus driver in my lts.conf: [ws253] # SMODULE_01 = maestro3 SMODULE_01 = cmipci and I still get the error about not being able to load the maestro3 module. The lts.conf I have been working with is /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf Am I in the wrong ballpark? Murrah > > > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Jun 3 02:25:41 2009 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:25:41 -0500 Subject: UPDATE: Re: [K12OSN] C-Media CM8738 Sound Card Problem In-Reply-To: <4A25CBCE.4080203@isp-systems.net> References: <65215.209.7.254.130.1243964833.squirrel@216.24.126.68> <4A25CBCE.4080203@isp-systems.net> Message-ID: <4A25DF25.1030806@scheie.homedns.org> Murrah, I missed the beginning of this thread, but if you are having trouble getting sound to work with Dell Latitudes as clients for a K12LTSP server, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 Peter murrah boswell wrote: > > > Barry, > >> murrah, >> >> change your lts.conf entry to: >> >> [ws253] >> SMODULE_01 = maestro3 >> >> reboot the TC. >> See if this works for you,, > > I put a completely bogus driver in my lts.conf: > > [ws253] > # SMODULE_01 = maestro3 > SMODULE_01 = cmipci > > and I still get the error about not being able to load the maestro3 > module. The lts.conf I have been working with is > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > Am I in the wrong ballpark? > > > Murrah > >> >> >> Barry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Wed Jun 3 03:44:32 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:44:32 -0700 Subject: UPDATE: Re: [K12OSN] C-Media CM8738 Sound Card Problem In-Reply-To: <4A25DF25.1030806@scheie.homedns.org> References: <65215.209.7.254.130.1243964833.squirrel@216.24.126.68> <4A25CBCE.4080203@isp-systems.net> <4A25DF25.1030806@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <4A25F1A0.8080002@isp-systems.net> Peter, > I missed the beginning of this thread, but if you are having trouble > getting sound to work with Dell Latitudes as clients for a K12LTSP > server, see > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 I have already been here a few days ago and done all they suggested with the new ALSA download. The new ALSA distro installs snd-maestro3 in /lib/modules/2.6.18-8.1.6.el5/kernel/sound/pci/snd-maestro3.ko so I copied the new snd-maestro3.ko into /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.17.8-ltsp-1/kernel/sound/pci/ One thing of interest is that the new snd-maestro3.ko is over seven times larger that the one packaged with K12LTSP 5EL. That is, 212083 vs 29382. The suggested modification to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/audiolist-alsa was already in the distro, except now it is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/audiolist. These changes did not have any impact on the TC being able to load maestro3 and like I said earlier, when I changed the entry in lts.conf to [ws253] # SMODULE_01 = maestro3 SMODULE_01 = cmipci I never even saw a mention of cmipci when the TC was booting, just negative reference to maestro3. Murrah > > > Peter > > murrah boswell wrote: >> >> >> Barry, >> >>> murrah, >>> >>> change your lts.conf entry to: >>> >>> [ws253] >>> SMODULE_01 = maestro3 >>> >>> reboot the TC. >>> See if this works for you,, >> >> I put a completely bogus driver in my lts.conf: >> >> [ws253] >> # SMODULE_01 = maestro3 >> SMODULE_01 = cmipci >> >> and I still get the error about not being able to load the maestro3 >> module. The lts.conf I have been working with is >> >> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf >> >> Am I in the wrong ballpark? >> >> >> Murrah >> >>> >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wtogami at redhat.com Wed Jun 3 03:43:27 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:43:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 Message-ID: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> Hey folks, Fedora 11 is soon to be released. Sometime after that I will spin a new K12Linux Live Server ISO image. http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/ltsp/k12linux/f11/beta1/ Currently the beta is under 1GB in size. Would folks prefer that the image include OpenOffice and educational apps? The image would likely be around 1.5GB in that case. Please reply here with a list of packages already in Fedora that you would like to be included in the image. Around mid-June I will spin up a release candidate for folks here to test. (It seems we shouldn't include Tuxtyping, Tuxmath and Tuxpaint because they are impossible to use over the network right?) * Can somebody volunteer to take charge of compiling the list? * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join If a package you want is not already in Fedora, then you need to follow the procedure to become a Fedora packager and add the package yourself. * No, we cannot include any packages not included in Fedora. * I am thinking to make the K12Linux F11 Live Server ISO x86-64 only as this is the majority of deployments. 32bit clients are supported by the 64bit server. 32bit servers are still possible if you install K12Linux on top of the standard Fedora 11. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jun 3 04:37:49 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:37:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> Warren Togami wrote: > Hey folks, > > Fedora 11 is soon to be released. Sometime after that I will spin a > new K12Linux Live Server ISO image. > > http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/ltsp/k12linux/f11/beta1/ > Currently the beta is under 1GB in size. Would folks prefer that the > image include OpenOffice and educational apps? The image would likely > be around 1.5GB in that case. > > Please reply here with a list of packages already in Fedora that you > would like to be included in the image. Around mid-June I will spin > up a release candidate for folks here to test. > > (It seems we shouldn't include Tuxtyping, Tuxmath and Tuxpaint because > they are impossible to use over the network right?) > > * Can somebody volunteer to take charge of compiling the list? > > * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join > If a package you want is not already in Fedora, then you need to > follow the procedure to become a Fedora packager and add the package > yourself. > > * No, we cannot include any packages not included in Fedora. > > * I am thinking to make the K12Linux F11 Live Server ISO x86-64 only > as this is the majority of deployments. 32bit clients are supported > by the 64bit server. 32bit servers are still possible if you install > K12Linux on top of the standard Fedora 11. OpenOffice.org is an absolute must, because of all the MS Office files that teachers sling around. Remember that one of the big selling points of GNU/Linux distros is that "it already comes with office." This really can't be considered negotiable any more than the kernel can...if it's to be taken seriously in a North American K-12 environment. As for the educational apps, some should be included, e. g. ChildsPlay. After all, there's gotta be something "K12" for "K12Linux" to demo. :-) --TP From mparic at compbizsolutions.com Wed Jun 3 04:57:50 2009 From: mparic at compbizsolutions.com (Michael Paric) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:57:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Lock down proxy settings and home page In-Reply-To: <20090601160040.D0F3C8E014F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20090601160040.D0F3C8E014F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <6D6E93C1-1106-4F97-85B2-FEFEF460630A@compbizsolutions.com> We didn't use XULRunner (but did use Firefox 3), and I'm suspecting it may be overriding any personal profile changes. Is XULRunner necessary for your deployment? > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:43:39 -0700 > From: murrah boswell > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Lock down proxy settings and home page > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <4A23162B.3080103 at isp-systems.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello Michael, > > Michael Paric wrote: >> The proxy, home page and other preferences are saved in the file: >> >> /home//.mozilla/firefox//prefs.js > > I am testing with K12Linux 5EL that uses Firefox 3 running on top of > xulrunner. I tried to modify a test account prefs.js file but > Firefox didn't pay any attention to the changes. I just tried to > lock the browser.startup.homepage setting with: > > lockPref("browser.startup.page", 1); > lockPref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://www.google.com/"); > > and it had no impact. > > Under K12LTSP 5, I can lock Firefox 2 down tighter than a drum, but > Firefox 3 is another animal. What version of Firefox are you using? > > Thanks, > Murrah Boswell From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Wed Jun 3 05:21:55 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:21:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Lock down proxy settings and home page In-Reply-To: <6D6E93C1-1106-4F97-85B2-FEFEF460630A@compbizsolutions.com> References: <20090601160040.D0F3C8E014F@hormel.redhat.com> <6D6E93C1-1106-4F97-85B2-FEFEF460630A@compbizsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4A260873.8020604@isp-systems.net> Hello Michael, > We didn't use XULRunner (but did use Firefox 3), and I'm suspecting it > may be overriding any personal profile changes. Is XULRunner necessary > for your deployment? Not at all! I would get rid of xulrunner in a heart beat if I knew how to discouple Firefox from it. Murrah > > >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:43:39 -0700 >> From: murrah boswell >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Lock down proxy settings and home page >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >> Message-ID: <4A23162B.3080103 at isp-systems.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hello Michael, >> >> Michael Paric wrote: >>> The proxy, home page and other preferences are saved in the file: >>> >>> /home//.mozilla/firefox//prefs.js >> >> I am testing with K12Linux 5EL that uses Firefox 3 running on top of >> xulrunner. I tried to modify a test account prefs.js file but >> Firefox didn't pay any attention to the changes. I just tried to lock >> the browser.startup.homepage setting with: >> >> lockPref("browser.startup.page", 1); >> lockPref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://www.google.com/"); >> >> and it had no impact. >> >> Under K12LTSP 5, I can lock Firefox 2 down tighter than a drum, but >> Firefox 3 is another animal. What version of Firefox are you using? >> >> Thanks, >> Murrah Boswell > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mizak at worldnet.att.net Wed Jun 3 13:31:26 2009 From: mizak at worldnet.att.net (Michael J. Izak) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:31:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A267B2E.30909@worldnet.att.net> Please include Firefox and Thunderbird. When Thunderbird is included it would be a whole lot easier for a lot of people to install the distro and go from there without any more fiddling. Most wise people and small law firms use Fedora and Thunderbird as a mail server only. Michael Izak Warren Togami wrote: > Hey folks, > > Fedora 11 is soon to be released. Sometime after that I will spin a > new K12Linux Live Server ISO image. > > http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/ltsp/k12linux/f11/beta1/ > Currently the beta is under 1GB in size. Would folks prefer that the > image include OpenOffice and educational apps? The image would likely > be around 1.5GB in that case. > > Please reply here with a list of packages already in Fedora that you > would like to be included in the image. Around mid-June I will spin > up a release candidate for folks here to test. > > (It seems we shouldn't include Tuxtyping, Tuxmath and Tuxpaint because > they are impossible to use over the network right?) > > * Can somebody volunteer to take charge of compiling the list? > > * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join > If a package you want is not already in Fedora, then you need to > follow the procedure to become a Fedora packager and add the package > yourself. > > * No, we cannot include any packages not included in Fedora. > > * I am thinking to make the K12Linux F11 Live Server ISO x86-64 only > as this is the majority of deployments. 32bit clients are supported > by the 64bit server. 32bit servers are still possible if you install > K12Linux on top of the standard Fedora 11. > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From monteslu at cox.net Wed Jun 3 13:43:01 2009 From: monteslu at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:43:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: > Warren Togami wrote: >> Hey folks, >> >> Fedora 11 is soon to be released. Sometime after that I will spin a >> new K12Linux Live Server ISO image. >> >> http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/ltsp/k12linux/f11/beta1/ >> Currently the beta is under 1GB in size. Would folks prefer that the >> image include OpenOffice and educational apps? The image would >> likely be around 1.5GB in that case. >> >> Please reply here with a list of packages already in Fedora that you >> would like to be included in the image. Around mid-June I will spin >> up a release candidate for folks here to test. >> >> (It seems we shouldn't include Tuxtyping, Tuxmath and Tuxpaint >> because they are impossible to use over the network right?) >> >> * Can somebody volunteer to take charge of compiling the list? >> >> * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join >> If a package you want is not already in Fedora, then you need to >> follow the procedure to become a Fedora packager and add the package >> yourself. >> >> * No, we cannot include any packages not included in Fedora. >> >> * I am thinking to make the K12Linux F11 Live Server ISO x86-64 only >> as this is the majority of deployments. 32bit clients are supported >> by the 64bit server. 32bit servers are still possible if you install >> K12Linux on top of the standard Fedora 11. > > > OpenOffice.org is an absolute must, because of all the MS Office files > that teachers sling around. Remember that one of the big selling > points of GNU/Linux distros is that "it already comes with office." > This really can't be considered negotiable any more than the kernel > can...if it's to be taken seriously in a North American K-12 environment. > > As for the educational apps, some should be included, e. g. > ChildsPlay. After all, there's gotta be something "K12" for > "K12Linux" to demo. :-) > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Tuxpaint works ok over the network as the animations are minimal. Much better than tuxtype and tuxmath anway. For really young children it's more important than openoffice. From news at siddall.name Wed Jun 3 14:13:03 2009 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:13:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A2684EF.90204@siddall.name> Warren Togami wrote: > Hey folks, > > Fedora 11 is soon to be released. Sometime after that I will spin a new > K12Linux Live Server ISO image. > > http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/ltsp/k12linux/f11/beta1/ > Currently the beta is under 1GB in size. Would folks prefer that the > image include OpenOffice and educational apps? The image would likely > be around 1.5GB in that case. > > Please reply here with a list of packages already in Fedora that you > would like to be included in the image. Around mid-June I will spin up > a release candidate for folks here to test. > > (It seems we shouldn't include Tuxtyping, Tuxmath and Tuxpaint because > they are impossible to use over the network right?) > > * Can somebody volunteer to take charge of compiling the list? > > * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join > If a package you want is not already in Fedora, then you need to follow > the procedure to become a Fedora packager and add the package yourself. > > * No, we cannot include any packages not included in Fedora. > > * I am thinking to make the K12Linux F11 Live Server ISO x86-64 only as > this is the majority of deployments. 32bit clients are supported by the > 64bit server. 32bit servers are still possible if you install K12Linux > on top of the standard Fedora 11. > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com My view on this is that the image should contain _all_ commonly used applications. With large (8 GB+) USB sticks now available for dirt cheap there is no strong argument for a crippled K12Linux ISO. To add to what others have already requested, I'll throw KDE into the mix. IMO it's gotten to be the best desktop -- easier to learn, and more "wow" than Gnome -- both good for doing demos. It doesn't have to be the default desktop, just there for anyone who wants to use it. You asked someone to compile a list. Here's what people have requested so far: OO.o Thunderbird Firefox Tuxpaint ChildsPlay KDE VNC (server+client if they are not there already -- I don't remember) Jeff From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jun 3 14:47:52 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:47:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A2684EF.90204@siddall.name> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A2684EF.90204@siddall.name> Message-ID: <4A268D18.6090403@cmosnetworks.com> Jeff Siddall wrote: > > My view on this is that the image should contain _all_ commonly used > applications. With large (8 GB+) USB sticks now available for dirt > cheap there is no strong argument for a crippled K12Linux ISO. > > To add to what others have already requested, I'll throw KDE into the > mix. IMO it's gotten to be the best desktop -- easier to learn, and > more "wow" than Gnome -- both good for doing demos. It doesn't have to > be the default desktop, just there for anyone who wants to use it. > > You asked someone to compile a list. Here's what people have requested > so far: > > OO.o > Thunderbird > Firefox > Tuxpaint > ChildsPlay > KDE > VNC (server+client if they are not there already -- I don't remember) > I have to wonder about KDE. If you're talking about KDE 3.5.x, then I'll heartily agree with you. But KDE 4.x still isn't really done baking yet (give it another year, I'd say, and it'll be great). Remember, it's typically the teachers and their administrators that have to approve K12LTSP/K12Linux's introduction into a school. It doesn't do good to have a 3/4-baked desktop environment when you're doing demos for decision makers. --TP From mo_luscre at mogadore.net Wed Jun 3 14:54:25 2009 From: mo_luscre at mogadore.net (Anthony Luscre) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:54:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Urgent help needed catching up- Angry & Frustrated Users! In-Reply-To: <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> Message-ID: Our district has been running three LTSP labs with 20 to 30 client each since way back in the version 3 days, six years ago. Recently I have updated all three servers and OS for all three. Currently we are running Fedora 10 with LTSP-5. Each server is a a quad core xenon with 7 to 13 gigs of RAM. We are still using our original client terminals - Compaq iPAQ Desktop Computers- 500MHz PIII with 64? to 128 RAM with hard drive removed. This year we have been experiencing a number of issues with varying frequencies: 1. Failure of whole lab to be able to log on simultaneously 2. FireFox slow or constantly freezing 3. OpenOffice slow or freezing 4. Failure of client terminals to get boot from server if restarted after a freeze. My questions: 1. Will upgrading the client terminals to Dell GX240's with Pentium 4 1.5 GHz processors with 256mb RAM make a significant improvement on their own? 2. Do I need to utilize "Local Apps" to make it all work reliably? 3. If utilizing Local Apps will it help my current IPAQ do the job or will the Dell GX240s be necessary to see an improvement? 4. I am not really sure what I need to do to run Local Apps with LTSP 5, is their a good source of recent information? 5. Are used computers with HD removed still a viable option for terminals and if so what are suggested requirements? Thanks for any help you can give me on these issues as I would not like to see our 6 years experiment with LTSP come to an end due to teacher/student frustration and would be hard pressed to buy and maintain 80 new windows computers. Anthony Anthony A. Luscre - Director of Technology Mogadore Local Schools 1 S. Cleveland Ave. Mogadore, OH 44260 mo_luscre at mogadore.net PH--- 330-628-7255 FAX- 330-628-6661 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at siddall.name Wed Jun 3 15:22:05 2009 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:22:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A268D18.6090403@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A2684EF.90204@siddall.name> <4A268D18.6090403@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4A26951D.60907@siddall.name> Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: > > > Jeff Siddall wrote: >> >> My view on this is that the image should contain _all_ commonly used >> applications. With large (8 GB+) USB sticks now available for dirt >> cheap there is no strong argument for a crippled K12Linux ISO. >> >> To add to what others have already requested, I'll throw KDE into the >> mix. IMO it's gotten to be the best desktop -- easier to learn, and >> more "wow" than Gnome -- both good for doing demos. It doesn't have to >> be the default desktop, just there for anyone who wants to use it. >> >> You asked someone to compile a list. Here's what people have requested >> so far: >> >> OO.o >> Thunderbird >> Firefox >> Tuxpaint >> ChildsPlay >> KDE >> VNC (server+client if they are not there already -- I don't remember) >> > > I have to wonder about KDE. If you're talking about KDE 3.5.x, then > I'll heartily agree with you. But KDE 4.x still isn't really done > baking yet (give it another year, I'd say, and it'll be great). > Remember, it's typically the teachers and their administrators that have > to approve K12LTSP/K12Linux's introduction into a school. It doesn't do > good to have a 3/4-baked desktop environment when you're doing demos for > decision makers. Nope, I'm talking about KDE 4.2+ KDE has improved enormously from the atrocious 4.0 release. It's still not perfect, but I have been using it as my only desktop for months and it is plenty usable. Again, I am not saying it should be the default desktop, just that it should be there. Now that I think of it there is no good reason not to add XFCE to the list also. Choice is good. Jeff From dvanassche at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 15:31:39 2009 From: dvanassche at gmail.com (David Van Assche) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:31:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> Message-ID: <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> They suffer from the SDL using pulse and bringing down the network/server environment. This is easily verifiabe... launch 3 or 4 instances of any of the tux 4 kids suite and watch the cpu usage spike and freezes start occuring all over till an eventual complete collapse. The work around is to launch the apps without sound... that seems to allow the applications to run without problems, so if you are going to carry those by default, u need to make sure they are launching _without_ sound. I'm basing all this on Debian and Ubuntu problems, but I'm sure it happens on Fedora too. Here is the relevant bug for that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxmath/+bug/269082 kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche www.nubae.com On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Luis Montes wrote: > Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: > >> Warren Togami wrote: >> >>> Hey folks, >>> >>> Fedora 11 is soon to be released. Sometime after that I will spin a new >>> K12Linux Live Server ISO image. >>> >>> http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/ltsp/k12linux/f11/beta1/ >>> Currently the beta is under 1GB in size. Would folks prefer that the >>> image include OpenOffice and educational apps? The image would likely be >>> around 1.5GB in that case. >>> >>> Please reply here with a list of packages already in Fedora that you >>> would like to be included in the image. Around mid-June I will spin up a >>> release candidate for folks here to test. >>> >>> (It seems we shouldn't include Tuxtyping, Tuxmath and Tuxpaint because >>> they are impossible to use over the network right?) >>> >>> * Can somebody volunteer to take charge of compiling the list? >>> >>> * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join >>> If a package you want is not already in Fedora, then you need to follow >>> the procedure to become a Fedora packager and add the package yourself. >>> >>> * No, we cannot include any packages not included in Fedora. >>> >>> * I am thinking to make the K12Linux F11 Live Server ISO x86-64 only as >>> this is the majority of deployments. 32bit clients are supported by the >>> 64bit server. 32bit servers are still possible if you install K12Linux on >>> top of the standard Fedora 11. >>> >> >> >> OpenOffice.org is an absolute must, because of all the MS Office files >> that teachers sling around. Remember that one of the big selling points of >> GNU/Linux distros is that "it already comes with office." This really can't >> be considered negotiable any more than the kernel can...if it's to be taken >> seriously in a North American K-12 environment. >> >> As for the educational apps, some should be included, e. g. ChildsPlay. >> After all, there's gotta be something "K12" for "K12Linux" to demo. :-) >> >> --TP >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> Tuxpaint works ok over the network as the animations are minimal. Much > better than tuxtype and tuxmath anway. > > For really young children it's more important than openoffice. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Jun 3 15:27:01 2009 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:27:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: UPDATE: Re: [K12OSN] C-Media CM8738 Sound Card Problem Message-ID: <19746.209.7.254.130.1244042821.squirrel@216.24.126.68> murrah, question. do you have an entry in your dhcp.conf file to make sure this client is in fact receiving the ip .253? barry cisna From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jun 3 15:39:18 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:39:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> That seems to be an LTSP 5-specific problem, because this problem does not occur on LTSP 4.x or LTSP 3.x. The network can handle the traffic fine, but apparently the LTSP5 server cannot. --TP David Van Assche wrote: > They suffer from the SDL using pulse and bringing down the > network/server environment. This is easily verifiabe... launch 3 or 4 > instances of any of the tux 4 kids suite and watch the cpu usage spike > and freezes start occuring all over till an eventual complete > collapse. The work around is to launch the apps without sound... that > seems to allow the applications to run without problems, so if you are > going to carry those by default, u need to make sure they are > launching _without_ sound. I'm basing all this on Debian and Ubuntu > problems, but I'm sure it happens on Fedora too. Here is the relevant > bug for that:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxmath/+bug/269082 > > kind Regards, > David (nubae) Van Assche > www.nubae.com > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Luis Montes > wrote: > > Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: > > Warren Togami wrote: > > Hey folks, > > Fedora 11 is soon to be released. Sometime after that I > will spin a new K12Linux Live Server ISO image. > > http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/ltsp/k12linux/f11/beta1/ > Currently the beta is under 1GB in size. Would folks > prefer that the image include OpenOffice and educational > apps? The image would likely be around 1.5GB in that case. > > Please reply here with a list of packages already in > Fedora that you would like to be included in the image. > Around mid-June I will spin up a release candidate for > folks here to test. > > (It seems we shouldn't include Tuxtyping, Tuxmath and > Tuxpaint because they are impossible to use over the > network right?) > > * Can somebody volunteer to take charge of compiling the list? > > * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join > If a package you want is not already in Fedora, then you > need to follow the procedure to become a Fedora packager > and add the package yourself. > > * No, we cannot include any packages not included in Fedora. > > * I am thinking to make the K12Linux F11 Live Server ISO > x86-64 only as this is the majority of deployments. 32bit > clients are supported by the 64bit server. 32bit servers > are still possible if you install K12Linux on top of the > standard Fedora 11. > > > > OpenOffice.org is an absolute must, because of all the MS > Office files that teachers sling around. Remember that one of > the big selling points of GNU/Linux distros is that "it > already comes with office." This really can't be considered > negotiable any more than the kernel can...if it's to be taken > seriously in a North American K-12 environment. > > As for the educational apps, some should be included, e. g. > ChildsPlay. After all, there's gotta be something "K12" for > "K12Linux" to demo. :-) > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Tuxpaint works ok over the network as the animations are minimal. > Much better than tuxtype and tuxmath anway. > > For really young children it's more important than openoffice. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 16:36:13 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:36:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Hello, I hope everyone is doing well. >> ? ? ? ?Warren Togami wrote: >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ?Hey folks, >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ?Fedora 11 is soon to be released. ?Sometime after that I >> ? ? ? ? ? ?will spin a new K12Linux Live Server ISO image. >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ?http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/ltsp/k12linux/f11/beta1/ >> ? ? ? ? ? ?Currently the beta is under 1GB in size. ?Would folks >> ? ? ? ? ? ?prefer that the image include OpenOffice and educational >> ? ? ? ? ? ?apps? ?The image would likely be around 1.5GB in that case. >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ?Please reply here with a list of packages already in >> ? ? ? ? ? ?Fedora that you would like to be included in the image. >> ? ? ? ? ? ? Around mid-June I will spin up a release candidate for >> ? ? ? ? ? ?folks here to test. >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ?(It seems we shouldn't include Tuxtyping, Tuxmath and >> ? ? ? ? ? ?Tuxpaint because they are impossible to use over the >> ? ? ? ? ? ?network right?) We have a small deployment and this allows us to use such programs. I would hazard a guess that many of the deployments of LTSP are smaller ones and thus can run such programs. They're also very crucial for the younger grades. >> ? ? ? ? ? ?* I am thinking to make the K12Linux F11 Live Server ISO >> ? ? ? ? ? ?x86-64 only as this is the majority of deployments. ?32bit >> ? ? ? ? ? ?clients are supported by the 64bit server. ?32bit servers >> ? ? ? ? ? ?are still possible if you install K12Linux on top of the >> ? ? ? ? ? ?standard Fedora 11. I know for myself and some others, that our servers are going to stay 32-bit because of the cost of upgrading it to anything more than that. My question is this -- is the plan to have K12Linux by default a cutting-edge system? I.E.: You need 64-bit servers, gigabit-network, excellent, modern thin clients? If that was the case it makes sense to have it only 64-bit. But I would imagine a lot of people using LTSP are not at all in that boat and were drawn to it for exactly the opposite reasons. So what's the vision? >> ? ? ? ?OpenOffice.org is an absolute must, because of all the MS >> ? ? ? ?Office files that teachers sling around. ?Remember that one of >> ? ? ? ?the big selling points of GNU/Linux distros is that "it >> ? ? ? ?already comes with office." ?This really can't be considered >> ? ? ? ?negotiable any more than the kernel can...if it's to be taken >> ? ? ? ?seriously in a North American K-12 environment. >> >> ? ? ? ?As for the educational apps, some should be included, e. g. >> ? ? ? ?ChildsPlay. ?After all, there's gotta be something "K12" for >> ? ? ? ?"K12Linux" to demo. ?:-) What about the option that used to exist with the older K12LTSP -- after the initial installation there was a desktop folder script the administrator would have that contained a series of scripts to download educational/extra software. It basically was a front-end for yum. That's still an incredibly cool demo feature -- double-click additional software, double-click 'get OpenOffice' or 'Get ChildsPlay' - wait a moment, and it's ready to go! Thank you. Joseph From informatik at steinerschule-basel.ch Wed Jun 3 16:35:47 2009 From: informatik at steinerschule-basel.ch (Informatik (Christian Ostheimer)) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:35:47 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Urgent help needed catching up- Angry & Frustrated Users! In-Reply-To: References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> Message-ID: <8BB3D1B1-0E25-4D01-88EE-CC0C4E2556D3@steinerschule-basel.ch> Am 03.06.2009 um 16:54 schrieb Anthony Luscre : > Our district has been running three LTSP labs with 20 to 30 client > each since way back in the version 3 days, six years ago. > > Recently I have updated all three servers and OS for all three. > Currently we are running Fedora 10 with LTSP-5. Each server is a a > quad core xenon with 7 to 13 gigs of RAM. > We are still using our original client terminals - Compaq iPAQ > Desktop Computers- 500MHz PIII with 64 to 128 RAM with hard drive > removed. > > This year we have been experiencing a number of issues with varying > frequencies: > 1. Failure of whole lab to be able to log on simultaneously > 2. FireFox slow or constantly freezing > 3. OpenOffice slow or freezing > 4. Failure of client terminals to get boot from server if restarted > after... Did you disable ssh tunneling (lts.conf LDM_DIRECTX=True)? My lab 20 clients, p2 350MHz, but RAM 192MB runs fine (with an older version of ltsp5, no local apps); per 10 (100MbpS) clients one gigabit uplink in the switch. Disabling ssh gives speed, >=128MB RAM avoids firefox freezes on the client. - Only flash videos and games are slow in firefox (p4 clients + local apps would help; but only 256MB RAM might be a problem). Christian From robark at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 17:12:05 2009 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:12:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Urgent help needed catching up- Angry & Frustrated Users! In-Reply-To: References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Anthony Luscre wrote: > Our district has been running three LTSP labs with 20 to 30 client each > since way back in the version 3 days, six years ago. > > Recently I have updated all three servers and OS for all three. > Currently we are running Fedora 10 with LTSP-5. Each server is a a quad core > xenon with 7 to 13 gigs of RAM. your server is good. Make sure your kernel sees all the ram. run top. if running 32 bit OS make sure you are running a pae kernel > We are still using our original client terminals - Compaq iPAQ Desktop > Computers- 500MHz PIII with 64 to 128 RAM with hard drive removed. > 500mhz is good enough. But if you can add more ram to clients. 256 should be fine. > This year we have been experiencing a number of issues with varying > frequencies: > 1. Failure of whole lab to be able to log on simultaneously > 2. FireFox slow or constantly freezing > 3. OpenOffice slow or freezing > 4. Failure of client terminals to get boot from server if restarted after a > freeze. > > My questions: > 1. Will upgrading the client terminals to Dell GX240's with Pentium 4 1.5 > GHz processors with 256mb RAM make a significant improvement on their own? > > 2. Do I need to utilize "Local Apps" to make it all work reliably? > > 3. If utilizing Local Apps will it help my current IPAQ do the job or will > the Dell GX240s be necessary to see an improvement? > > 4. I am not really sure what I need to do to run Local Apps with LTSP 5, is > their a good source of recent information? > > 5. Are used computers with HD removed still a viable option for terminals > and if so what are suggested requirements? > > Thanks for any help you can give me on these issues as I would not like to > see our 6 years experiment with LTSP come to an end due to teacher/student > frustration and would be hard pressed to buy and maintain 80 new windows > computers. > > Anthony > > > Anthony A. Luscre - Director of Technology > > Mogadore Local Schools > 1 S. Cleveland Ave. > Mogadore, OH 44260 > > mo_luscre at mogadore.net > PH--- 330-628-7255 > FAX- 330-628-6661 > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada From mo_luscre at mogadore.net Wed Jun 3 17:15:49 2009 From: mo_luscre at mogadore.net (Anthony Luscre) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:15:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Urgent help needed catching up- Angry & Frustrated Users! In-Reply-To: References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> Message-ID: Yes, I am running PAE kerenel on all three ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Arkiletian Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 13:12 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Urgent help needed catching up- Angry & Frustrated Users! To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Anthony Luscre > wrote: > > Our district has been running three LTSP labs with 20 to 30 > client each > > since way back in the version 3 days, six years ago. > > > > Recently I have updated all three servers and OS for all three. > > Currently we are running Fedora 10 with LTSP-5. Each server is > a a quad core > > xenon with 7 to 13 gigs of RAM. > > your server is good. Make sure your kernel sees all the ram. run top. > if running 32 bit OS make sure you are running a pae kernel > > > We are still using our original client terminals - Compaq iPAQ > Desktop> Computers- 500MHz PIII with 64? to 128 RAM with > hard drive removed. > > > > 500mhz is good enough. But if you can add more ram to clients. 256 > should be fine. > > > > This year we have been experiencing a number of issues with varying > > frequencies: > > 1. Failure of whole lab to be able to log on simultaneously > > 2. FireFox slow or constantly freezing > > 3. OpenOffice slow or freezing > > 4. Failure of client terminals to get boot from server if > restarted after a > > freeze. > > > > My questions: > > 1. Will upgrading the client terminals to Dell GX240's with > Pentium 4 1.5 > > GHz processors with 256mb RAM make a significant improvement > on their own? > > > > 2. Do I need to utilize "Local Apps" to make it all work reliably? > > > > 3. If utilizing Local Apps will it help my current IPAQ do the > job or will > > the Dell GX240s be necessary to see an improvement? > > > > 4. I am not really sure what I need to do to run Local Apps > with LTSP 5, is > > their a good source of recent information? > > > > 5. Are used computers with HD removed still a viable option > for terminals > > and if so what are suggested requirements? > > > > Thanks for any help you can give me on these issues as I would > not like to > > see our 6 years experiment with LTSP come to an end due to > teacher/student> frustration and would be hard pressed to buy > and maintain 80 new windows > > computers. > > > > Anthony > > > > > > Anthony A. Luscre - Director of Technology > > > > Mogadore Local Schools > > 1 S. 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URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jun 3 17:37:54 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:37:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4A26B4F2.5020505@cmosnetworks.com> Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > I hope everyone is doing well. > > > >>> * I am thinking to make the K12Linux F11 Live Server ISO >>> x86-64 only as this is the majority of deployments. 32bit >>> clients are supported by the 64bit server. 32bit servers >>> are still possible if you install K12Linux on top of the >>> standard Fedora 11. >>> > > I know for myself and some others, that our servers are going to stay > 32-bit because of the cost of upgrading it to anything more than that. > My question is this -- is the plan to have K12Linux by default a > cutting-edge system? I.E.: You need 64-bit servers, gigabit-network, > excellent, modern thin clients? If that was the case it makes sense > to have it only 64-bit. But I would imagine a lot of people using > LTSP are not at all in that boat and were drawn to it for exactly the > opposite reasons. So what's the vision? > Same here. Most of the people for whom I've done this always ran 32-bit K12LTSP on 32-bit machines with 3.5GB DRAM. And they will continue to do so. If they've got to buy a new machine, then it's "well, we're buying a new machine anyway, let's just put the regular Windows Server on there." Additionally, there is a very large bit-ness problem with some apps. The Adobe Flash plugin on Firefox is simply the most famous of them. Such bit-ness problems are a second reason (in addition to the first one, above) why I run exclusively 32-bit K12LTSP today. I'm a long-time IT engineer, and I can sort out bitness issues, but I'm the exception. If I'm a typical technology administrator at a school, I don't have time to futz around with bit-ness issues or excuses, because I've got an entire school to take care of. Your "Linux thing" is now keeping me from doing my job. Hence, I stay with 32-bit, because that's what works. > >>> OpenOffice.org is an absolute must, because of all the MS >>> Office files that teachers sling around. Remember that one of >>> the big selling points of GNU/Linux distros is that "it >>> already comes with office." This really can't be considered >>> negotiable any more than the kernel can...if it's to be taken >>> seriously in a North American K-12 environment. >>> >>> As for the educational apps, some should be included, e. g. >>> ChildsPlay. After all, there's gotta be something "K12" for >>> "K12Linux" to demo. :-) >>> > > What about the option that used to exist with the older K12LTSP -- > after the initial installation there was a desktop folder script the > administrator would have that contained a series of scripts to > download educational/extra software. It basically was a front-end for > yum. That's still an incredibly cool demo feature -- double-click > additional software, double-click 'get OpenOffice' or 'Get ChildsPlay' > - wait a moment, and it's ready to go! > That was used for non-Free apps like Adobe Flash and Java. OpenOffice.org has always been on there, and given the MS Office file issue, I'd say that app's too important. What happens when you demo the "get OpenOffice" on a slow link? Say it's a school that cannot afford high-speed connections, or they're simply not available in that area. If we're focusing on just the United States and southern Canada with K12Linux, then we can assume high-speed connections for "get " demos. Worldwide, that's a different story. Here's an example. I met some young (and very pretty) college students from some remote village way up in the mountains of Peru. They had computers up there...but no Internet. No electricity, either. So how did they have computers without electricity? Solar panels from a government grant. Kids did their homework on computers powered by solar panels. Granted, they were older computers, but they worked. Software was installed via CD-ROM. When they went off to the university (about half of 'em did, Peruvians are a very educated people), they were already computer-literate. Well, I'd come prepared for such an opportunity. I promptly showed 'em my PowerBook G3 running Kubuntu Dapper and the Spanish Language pack. They already knew about Firefox from college, but had never seen OpenOffice.org. I explained to them that it's "basicamente Microsoft Oficina, pero gratis, como Firefox." They were quite impressed and immediately asked me where they could download it. This led to one even asking me about GNU/Linux, and then they all wanted to try it (naturally, I let them). Score one for FOSS there. Folks, OpenOffice.org is one of our two mondo-big poster children for desktop FOSS (Firefox is the other one). We need to get it immediately in front of people, again, just like Firefox. Best way to do that is to have it on the ISO image. --TP From wtogami at redhat.com Wed Jun 3 21:09:57 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:09:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A26B4F2.5020505@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26B4F2.5020505@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4A26E6A5.90501@redhat.com> On 06/03/2009 01:37 PM, Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: > > Folks, OpenOffice.org is one of our two mondo-big poster children for > desktop FOSS (Firefox is the other one). We need to get it immediately > in front of people, again, just like Firefox. Best way to do that is to > have it on the ISO image. > Do you volunteer to compile the list of Fedora packages to add? If nobody does, then I will add nothing to the upcoming image. Warren From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Thu Jun 4 02:05:32 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:05:32 -0700 Subject: UPDATE: Re: [K12OSN] C-Media CM8738 Sound Card Problem In-Reply-To: <19746.209.7.254.130.1244042821.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <19746.209.7.254.130.1244042821.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <4A272BEC.8010609@isp-systems.net> Hello Barry, > question. do you have an entry in your dhcp.conf file to make sure this > client is in fact receiving the ip .253? Yes, I do have an entry in /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf. host ws253 { hardware ethernet 00:01:03:8b:0e:2e; fixed-address 10.10.1.253; } and I can see ws253 and manipulate it using fl_teachertool fine. Regards, Murrah Boswell > > barry cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dvanassche at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 04:48:28 2009 From: dvanassche at gmail.com (David Van Assche) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 06:48:28 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A26E6A5.90501@redhat.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26B4F2.5020505@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26E6A5.90501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <8cc423ef0906032148m28eed83ak564599ee4ef178e5@mail.gmail.com> I did a recent study of packages that could be included on the addon cd, normally found in edubuntu universe. I tested them all to make sure they work and tried to get something that works for each subject. I've attached my list, but also worth looking at is openSUSE's list of added apps, which are nicely categorised here: http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Applications/Desktop kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Warren Togami wrote: > On 06/03/2009 01:37 PM, Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: > >> >> Folks, OpenOffice.org is one of our two mondo-big poster children for >> desktop FOSS (Firefox is the other one). We need to get it immediately >> in front of people, again, just like Firefox. Best way to do that is to >> have it on the ISO image. >> >> > Do you volunteer to compile the list of Fedora packages to add? If nobody > does, then I will add nothing to the upcoming image. > > Warren > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best way to do that is to >> have it on the ISO image. >> > > Do you volunteer to compile the list of Fedora packages to add? If > nobody does, then I will add nothing to the upcoming image. > > Warren Sure, I'd be glad to compile software, if you need someone to do so. Heck, I'll even do the compilation on a CentOS box. :-) I've not done RPM builds before (only .tgz), so I could use a few pointers on how to do it. --TP From dvanassche at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 05:30:32 2009 From: dvanassche at gmail.com (David Van Assche) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 07:30:32 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A27564F.1060904@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26B4F2.5020505@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26E6A5.90501@redhat.com> <4A27564F.1060904@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8cc423ef0906032230t61982dc6h79782d4c0d0dcd05@mail.gmail.com> I'd really suggest you take a look at opensuse's build service, which is a gpl service that uses their cloud to do actual buildwork... the advantages are output to mutiple distros and architectures by uploading spec files. But it sounds to me that its just conna require some kind of meta package that defines all the apps to be carried... kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Terrell Prude' Jr. < microman at cmosnetworks.com> wrote: > Warren Togami wrote: > >> On 06/03/2009 01:37 PM, Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: >> >>> >>> Folks, OpenOffice.org is one of our two mondo-big poster children for >>> desktop FOSS (Firefox is the other one). We need to get it immediately >>> in front of people, again, just like Firefox. Best way to do that is to >>> have it on the ISO image. >>> >>> >> Do you volunteer to compile the list of Fedora packages to add? If nobody >> does, then I will add nothing to the upcoming image. >> >> Warren >> > > Sure, I'd be glad to compile software, if you need someone to do so. Heck, > I'll even do the compilation on a CentOS box. :-) I've not done RPM builds > before (only .tgz), so I could use a few pointers on how to do it. > > --TP > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 11:48:35 2009 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:48:35 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <12b235150906040448g49b0a78fg276ad7b617d173c2@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/3 Warren Togami : > Hey folks, Hi! thank you for your effort! > > Fedora 11 is soon to be released. ?Sometime after that I will spin a new > K12Linux Live Server ISO image. > > http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/ltsp/k12linux/f11/beta1/ > Currently the beta is under 1GB in size. ?Would folks prefer that the image > include OpenOffice and educational apps? ?The image would likely be around > 1.5GB in that case. I live in Argentina, and I work into the Ministery of Education Of Province of Cordoba - GOVERMENT. We are use k12 since Fedora core 2 or 3 I do not remember exactly. And I am active member from group 'Fedora Argentina'. > > Please reply here with a list of packages already in Fedora that you would > like to be included in the image. ?Around mid-June I will spin up a release > candidate for folks here to test. Is possible include the packages of ltsp 4.2? because we are a lots of old machines, near of 1500 and we use ltsp 4.2 for pentiums and for i486 a system that I build that can runs only with 4MB RAM. Wine is possible include? others educational apps? you are include childsplay for example? educational apps for spanish language? > > (It seems we shouldn't include Tuxtyping, Tuxmath and Tuxpaint because they > are impossible to use over the network right?) With ltsp 4.2 runs very well!! > > * Can somebody volunteer to take charge of compiling the list? > > * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join > If a package you want is not already in Fedora, then you need to follow the > procedure to become a Fedora packager and add the package yourself. > > * No, we cannot include any packages not included in Fedora. > > * I am thinking to make the K12Linux F11 Live Server ISO x86-64 only as this > is the majority of deployments. ?32bit clients are supported by the 64bit > server. ?32bit servers are still possible if you install K12Linux on top of > the standard Fedora 11. > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > Thank you for all and if you need some that me, please contact me PD: sorry for my bad english! > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 12:22:01 2009 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:22:01 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <12b235150906040448g49b0a78fg276ad7b617d173c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <12b235150906040448g49b0a78fg276ad7b617d173c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12b235150906040522q34a4ca43l23528acc5e33dd00@mail.gmail.com> I agree with Terrel! In my experience in this 5 years of implementation of schools with no resources in SUDAMERICA, we get any machine for thin client! For this reason and because, and we no are the exception! like us other geverments of entire Argentinian Territory have thousand and thounsands of 486 with 4MB or 8MB and Pentium1 with 16MB ram max, we are decide build a micro distro that runs any of theese machines from 4 MB to up! using a vnc-client and a mini-kernel and a mini rootfs, all send via tftp and nfs to the clients. We are use a lot of 32 bit P4 server with only 1 or 2 GB RAM! The 80% of schools that I implement do no have internet, and 90% of schools I implement have i486 machines! The teachers tell me that they need use some aplications that they receive from lots of educational capacitations and all are .exe! and the rest are .swf!, foir that wine and flash for us is GOOD! The SOLUTION of no internet conection is: WIKIPEDIA OFFLINE. We have install the wikipedia spanish in all servers and the childrens can navigate trought that! is cool! I think lot time that create a spin of fedora with NO OPENOFFICE, but yes GNOME OFFICE, a web client more light that firefox, wine, some apps propietary like flash adobe, we will still use wikipedia and too a lot of applications that the goverment ask to use in the schools for ARGENTINA. Too I think will include the microsystem that runs 486 with 4MB ram, but I think in use a patch kernel like the CentOs k12, and use of course LTSP 4.2.* because I do no like the performance of fedora 10 with my VNC clients in compare with CentOs k12 ltsp that are a marvel like runs my i486 clients! they boot in near 30 seconds with centosk12 and looks very well! sorry for fedora, I love fedora, but today for us centosk12 still are the solution. Maybe some day I will build a spin of fedora for olds clients and servers. Sorry for my bad english and for my personal apreciations. >From Argentina Alberto Castillo Thank you for read me! Alberto Castillo From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 12:43:58 2009 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:43:58 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] A bug of vnc-server in FEDORA 10? Message-ID: <12b235150906040543p4a628bc4yfb481d1d6b1b92ea@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks! Last night, I can run my micro distro with a 486 and 4MB ram + vnc client to a Fedora 10 vnc server. The cuestion is that a lot of time troubleshooting the implementation of server and find a typo in the package vnc-config-ltsp of group of packages LTSP from fedora (the typo is in the declaration of service 800*600*16 colours in vncts that have into the /etc/xinetd.d, that have a little 'x' more little that usual! and the vnc client gime a error! just replace the strange 'x' for a regular x into the argument 'server_args' in the declaration of geometry), when I connect the server gime in same time 2 instances of gdmgreeter!!! in short: when I connect I can see too login screen one on top of the other, and I when I login with a user, this ccan enter fine, but still I have the login screen mix with the Desktop!!! I never seen that before... Some idea? The configuration of vnc server and xinetd is the same that k12ltsp centos5 Thank you for read! Alberto Castillo From news at siddall.name Thu Jun 4 12:47:47 2009 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:47:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <12b235150906040522q34a4ca43l23528acc5e33dd00@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <12b235150906040448g49b0a78fg276ad7b617d173c2@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150906040522q34a4ca43l23528acc5e33dd00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A27C273.5010703@siddall.name> > I agree with Terrel! > In my experience in this 5 years of implementation of schools with no > resources in SUDAMERICA, we get any machine for thin client! > For this reason and because, and we no are the exception! like us > other geverments of entire Argentinian Territory have thousand and > thounsands of 486 with 4MB or 8MB and Pentium1 with 16MB ram max, we > are decide build a micro distro that runs any of theese machines from > 4 MB to up! using a vnc-client and a mini-kernel and a mini rootfs, > all send via tftp and nfs to the clients. > We are use a lot of 32 bit P4 server with only 1 or 2 GB RAM! > The 80% of schools that I implement do no have internet, and 90% of > schools I implement have i486 machines! > The teachers tell me that they need use some aplications that they > receive from lots of educational capacitations and all are .exe! and > the rest are .swf!, foir that wine and flash for us is GOOD! > The SOLUTION of no internet conection is: WIKIPEDIA OFFLINE. > We have install the wikipedia spanish in all servers and the childrens > can navigate trought that! is cool! > I think lot time that create a spin of fedora with NO OPENOFFICE, but > yes GNOME OFFICE, a web client more light that firefox, wine, some > apps propietary like flash adobe, we will still use wikipedia and too > a lot of applications that the goverment ask to use in the schools for > ARGENTINA. > Too I think will include the microsystem that runs 486 with 4MB ram, > but I think in use a patch kernel like the CentOs k12, and use of > course LTSP 4.2.* because I do no like the performance of fedora 10 > with my VNC clients in compare with CentOs k12 ltsp that are a marvel > like runs my i486 clients! they boot in near 30 seconds with centosk12 > and looks very well! sorry for fedora, I love fedora, but today for us > centosk12 still are the solution. > Maybe some day I will build a spin of fedora for olds clients and servers. > Sorry for my bad english and for my personal apreciations. >>From Argentina > Alberto Castillo > Thank you for read me! > Alberto Castillo It seems like there are two user communities here. One has legacy hardware (like 486 machines, with no 64 bit servers) and the other, which is the group I belong to, has modern hardware -- exclusively 64 bit servers and generally 586+ clients. Given that there is a decade, or perhaps more, of Moore's law separating the two groups it's pretty tough to make both happy! My impression as a relatively new K12Linux user is that it is perhaps the most bleeding edge of all LTSP distros, largely due to the fact that it is based on the latest Fedora, which is one of the most bleeding edge distros. As such, K12Linux really does not seem like the right place to try to support legacy hardware. Further, LTSP5 is perhaps the wrong version to base a legacy hardware LTSP distro on, given it's significantly increased resource requirements from LTSP4. Two solutions for supporting legacy hardware come to mind. One is for "someone" to continue to maintain a LTSP4 based distribution on an OS with long term support (ie: CentOS). The other is for "someone" to create a custom K12Linux spin that takes out a lot of the weight of K12Linux and optimizes it for legacy hardware. Not sure of the viability of these, or who the magical "someone" might be. Thoughts? Jeff From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jun 4 17:52:25 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:52:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A27C273.5010703@siddall.name> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <12b235150906040448g49b0a78fg276ad7b617d173c2@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150906040522q34a4ca43l23528acc5e33dd00@mail.gmail.com> <4A27C273.5010703@siddall.name> Message-ID: <4A2809D9.20408@cmosnetworks.com> Jeff Siddall wrote: > It seems like there are two user communities here. One has legacy > hardware (like 486 machines, with no 64 bit servers) and the other, > which is the group I belong to, has modern hardware -- exclusively 64 > bit servers and generally 586+ clients. > > Given that there is a decade, or perhaps more, of Moore's law separating > the two groups it's pretty tough to make both happy! > > My impression as a relatively new K12Linux user is that it is perhaps > the most bleeding edge of all LTSP distros, largely due to the fact that > it is based on the latest Fedora, which is one of the most bleeding edge > distros. As such, K12Linux really does not seem like the right place to > try to support legacy hardware. > > Further, LTSP5 is perhaps the wrong version to base a legacy hardware > LTSP distro on, given it's significantly increased resource requirements > from LTSP4. > > Two solutions for supporting legacy hardware come to mind. One is for > "someone" to continue to maintain a LTSP4 based distribution on an OS > with long term support (ie: CentOS). The other is for "someone" to > create a custom K12Linux spin that takes out a lot of the weight of > K12Linux and optimizes it for legacy hardware. Not sure of the > viability of these, or who the magical "someone" might be. > > Thoughts? > Fortunately, we already have an excellent LTSP4-based distro today, and that's K12LTSP 5EL, which will be supported until the year 2014. I'd suggest that any CentOS 6-based K12Linux also include LTSP 4 as an optional "for legacy hardware" installatation. The Fedora releases should stay bleeding edge, because that's the whole point of Fedora. But now we're getting to a point where LTSP might no longer be a good business case. The whole point of LTSP was to be able to reuse old computers as thin clients to save both money and the environment. IIRC, for a time, Jim McQuillan himself even resold Dell OptiPlex GX1's as a thin-client option not so long ago. If we're now going toward super-powerful (and increasingly expensive) thin client hardware, then we have a problem. As a buyer, I'd be better off spending the extra $20 for a full-fledged PC and install my choice of distro on the hard disk (Ghost, Kickstart, however). Oh, and I just saved the expense of buying an LTSP server. Whoops.... Here's an example of what I mean. http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16183&cat=249&page=1 --TP From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jun 4 18:02:57 2009 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:02:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A2809D9.20408@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <12b235150906040448g49b0a78fg276ad7b617d173c2@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150906040522q34a4ca43l23528acc5e33dd00@mail.gmail.com> <4A27C273.5010703@siddall.name> <4A2809D9.20408@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4A280C51.7090801@paasda.org> TP, your post is dead on.. While up until last year it was feasible for us to go with Thin Clients..we've worked with local hospitals' IT depts.(in the Portland, OR area) to "donate" their old dell optiplex gx240-gx260's to our school(s). Basically the IT coordinator gathers them all..images a batch depending on the school(s) need and gets them delivered and setup. So far over 350 machines have been "reused" rather than 'recycled'... and any gx240 or gx260 is PLENTY of hardware for any elementary school around...and still quite adequate for 99% of all small businesses. I still like LTSP for central authentication and management though...call me a knucklehead but I just don't like windows server setups, and hardening. --Huck Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: > Jeff Siddall wrote: >> It seems like there are two user communities here. One has legacy >> hardware (like 486 machines, with no 64 bit servers) and the other, >> which is the group I belong to, has modern hardware -- exclusively 64 >> bit servers and generally 586+ clients. >> >> Given that there is a decade, or perhaps more, of Moore's law separating >> the two groups it's pretty tough to make both happy! >> >> My impression as a relatively new K12Linux user is that it is perhaps >> the most bleeding edge of all LTSP distros, largely due to the fact that >> it is based on the latest Fedora, which is one of the most bleeding edge >> distros. As such, K12Linux really does not seem like the right place to >> try to support legacy hardware. >> >> Further, LTSP5 is perhaps the wrong version to base a legacy hardware >> LTSP distro on, given it's significantly increased resource requirements >> from LTSP4. >> >> Two solutions for supporting legacy hardware come to mind. One is for >> "someone" to continue to maintain a LTSP4 based distribution on an OS >> with long term support (ie: CentOS). The other is for "someone" to >> create a custom K12Linux spin that takes out a lot of the weight of >> K12Linux and optimizes it for legacy hardware. Not sure of the >> viability of these, or who the magical "someone" might be. >> >> Thoughts? >> > > Fortunately, we already have an excellent LTSP4-based distro today, and > that's K12LTSP 5EL, which will be supported until the year 2014. I'd > suggest that any CentOS 6-based K12Linux also include LTSP 4 as an > optional "for legacy hardware" installatation. The Fedora releases > should stay bleeding edge, because that's the whole point of Fedora. > > But now we're getting to a point where LTSP might no longer be a good > business case. > > The whole point of LTSP was to be able to reuse old computers as thin > clients to save both money and the environment. IIRC, for a time, Jim > McQuillan himself even resold Dell OptiPlex GX1's as a thin-client > option not so long ago. If we're now going toward super-powerful (and > increasingly expensive) thin client hardware, then we have a problem. > As a buyer, I'd be better off spending the extra $20 for a full-fledged > PC and install my choice of distro on the hard disk (Ghost, Kickstart, > however). Oh, and I just saved the expense of buying an LTSP server. > Whoops.... > > Here's an example of what I mean. > > http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16183&cat=249&page=1 > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From Steven at SimplyCircus.com Thu Jun 4 18:05:52 2009 From: Steven at SimplyCircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:05:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A2809D9.20408@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <12b235150906040448g49b0a78fg276ad7b617d173c2@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150906040522q34a4ca43l23528acc5e33dd00@mail.gmail.com> <4A27C273.5010703@siddall.name> <4A2809D9.20408@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Terrell, I think the case for LTS is as strong today as it always has been. I completely agree with you on including LTS 4.x in a Centros version. Where I disagree with you is on legacy hardware being the driving factor. Cost of operation is still the leading factor as far as I am concerned. --- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Terrell Prude' Jr. > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:52 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 > > Jeff Siddall wrote: > > It seems like there are two user communities here. One has legacy > > hardware (like 486 machines, with no 64 bit servers) and the other, > > which is the group I belong to, has modern hardware -- exclusively 64 > > bit servers and generally 586+ clients. > > > > Given that there is a decade, or perhaps more, of Moore's law > separating > > the two groups it's pretty tough to make both happy! > > > > My impression as a relatively new K12Linux user is that it is perhaps > > the most bleeding edge of all LTSP distros, largely due to the fact > that > > it is based on the latest Fedora, which is one of the most bleeding > edge > > distros. As such, K12Linux really does not seem like the right place > to > > try to support legacy hardware. > > > > Further, LTSP5 is perhaps the wrong version to base a legacy hardware > > LTSP distro on, given it's significantly increased resource > requirements > > from LTSP4. > > > > Two solutions for supporting legacy hardware come to mind. One is > for > > "someone" to continue to maintain a LTSP4 based distribution on an OS > > with long term support (ie: CentOS). The other is for "someone" to > > create a custom K12Linux spin that takes out a lot of the weight of > > K12Linux and optimizes it for legacy hardware. Not sure of the > > viability of these, or who the magical "someone" might be. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Fortunately, we already have an excellent LTSP4-based distro today, and > that's K12LTSP 5EL, which will be supported until the year 2014. I'd > suggest that any CentOS 6-based K12Linux also include LTSP 4 as an > optional "for legacy hardware" installatation. The Fedora releases > should stay bleeding edge, because that's the whole point of Fedora. > > But now we're getting to a point where LTSP might no longer be a good > business case. > > The whole point of LTSP was to be able to reuse old computers as thin > clients to save both money and the environment. IIRC, for a time, Jim > McQuillan himself even resold Dell OptiPlex GX1's as a thin-client > option not so long ago. If we're now going toward super-powerful (and > increasingly expensive) thin client hardware, then we have a problem. > As a buyer, I'd be better off spending the extra $20 for a full-fledged > PC and install my choice of distro on the hard disk (Ghost, Kickstart, > however). Oh, and I just saved the expense of buying an LTSP server. > Whoops.... > > Here's an example of what I mean. > > http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16183&cat=249&page=1 > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lesmikesell at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 18:26:07 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:26:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A2809D9.20408@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <12b235150906040448g49b0a78fg276ad7b617d173c2@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150906040522q34a4ca43l23528acc5e33dd00@mail.gmail.com> <4A27C273.5010703@siddall.name> <4A2809D9.20408@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4A2811BF.6080807@gmail.com> Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: > > Fortunately, we already have an excellent LTSP4-based distro today, and > that's K12LTSP 5EL, which will be supported until the year 2014. I'd > suggest that any CentOS 6-based K12Linux also include LTSP 4 as an > optional "for legacy hardware" installatation. The Fedora releases > should stay bleeding edge, because that's the whole point of Fedora. > > But now we're getting to a point where LTSP might no longer be a good > business case. > > The whole point of LTSP was to be able to reuse old computers as thin > clients to save both money and the environment. IIRC, for a time, Jim > McQuillan himself even resold Dell OptiPlex GX1's as a thin-client > option not so long ago. If we're now going toward super-powerful (and > increasingly expensive) thin client hardware, then we have a problem. > As a buyer, I'd be better off spending the extra $20 for a full-fledged > PC and install my choice of distro on the hard disk (Ghost, Kickstart, > however). Oh, and I just saved the expense of buying an LTSP server. > Whoops.... Maybe, but don't forget the time it takes to load that local hard disk and keep it working in a hostile environment like a classroom. > Here's an example of what I mean. > > http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16183&cat=249&page=1 It's hard to argue with using local resources, but perhaps a drbl boot server booting fat clients with NFS roots is the next step - and being able to mix/match that with identical application access from thin clients and mostly-standalone systems. Regardless, there is another piece to this puzzle that everyone is dancing around so far. That is the inclusion of some easy way to load the stuff that Fedora is never going to include. Eric was absolutely wonderful in providing those 'get-xxxx' scripts for the parts that make the system useful and in some cases also the yum repo to distribute them. I don't see any reason to expect a distro that doesn't include those things to add them now. Is there some other way this can be handled to bypass the issue? Perhaps an rpm that can be installed by clicking on a web link that adds the needed yum repositories and the get-xxx scripts. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 4 20:26:25 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:26:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A26E6A5.90501@redhat.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26B4F2.5020505@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26E6A5.90501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0906041326o37b5988fp22d922c0055831b0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Warren Togami wrote: > On 06/03/2009 01:37 PM, Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: >> >> Folks, OpenOffice.org is one of our two mondo-big poster children for >> desktop FOSS (Firefox is the other one). We need to get it immediately >> in front of people, again, just like Firefox. Best way to do that is to >> have it on the ISO image. >> > > Do you volunteer to compile the list of Fedora packages to add? ?If nobody > does, then I will add nothing to the upcoming image. If it's OK to compile the list on fedorahosted.org/k12linux, I'd be happy to do so. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 4 20:44:50 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:44:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <994441ae0906041326o37b5988fp22d922c0055831b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26B4F2.5020505@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26E6A5.90501@redhat.com> <994441ae0906041326o37b5988fp22d922c0055831b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0906041344s6080639ds6c1e17875a4cfdd3@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Dan Young wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Warren Togami wrote: >> On 06/03/2009 01:37 PM, Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: >>> >>> Folks, OpenOffice.org is one of our two mondo-big poster children for >>> desktop FOSS (Firefox is the other one). We need to get it immediately >>> in front of people, again, just like Firefox. Best way to do that is to >>> have it on the ISO image. >>> >> >> Do you volunteer to compile the list of Fedora packages to add? ?If nobody >> does, then I will add nothing to the upcoming image. > > If it's OK to compile the list on fedorahosted.org/k12linux, I'd be > happy to do so. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > A compilation of suggestions to date is here: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/LiveServer/F11CandidateApps -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 4 20:39:58 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:39:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A27564F.1060904@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26B4F2.5020505@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26E6A5.90501@redhat.com> <4A27564F.1060904@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0906041339r558ea84ct9ded46eecbe5bf63@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: > Warren Togami wrote: >> >> On 06/03/2009 01:37 PM, Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: >>> >>> Folks, OpenOffice.org is one of our two mondo-big poster children for >>> desktop FOSS (Firefox is the other one). We need to get it immediately >>> in front of people, again, just like Firefox. Best way to do that is to >>> have it on the ISO image. >>> >> >> Do you volunteer to compile the list of Fedora packages to add? ?If nobody >> does, then I will add nothing to the upcoming image. >> >> Warren > > Sure, I'd be glad to compile software, if you need someone to do so. ?Heck, > I'll even do the compilation on a CentOS box. ?:-) ?I've not done RPM builds > before (only .tgz), so I could use a few pointers on how to do it. I believe he is referring to compiling a _list_, not the bits on disk. This all needs to be software that is already available in the Fedora repository. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lesmikesell at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 20:59:26 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:59:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <994441ae0906041344s6080639ds6c1e17875a4cfdd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26B4F2.5020505@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26E6A5.90501@redhat.com> <994441ae0906041326o37b5988fp22d922c0055831b0@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0906041344s6080639ds6c1e17875a4cfdd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2835AE.3070005@gmail.com> Dan Young wrote: > >>>> Folks, OpenOffice.org is one of our two mondo-big poster children for >>>> desktop FOSS (Firefox is the other one). We need to get it immediately >>>> in front of people, again, just like Firefox. Best way to do that is to >>>> have it on the ISO image. >>>> >>> Do you volunteer to compile the list of Fedora packages to add? If nobody >>> does, then I will add nothing to the upcoming image. >> If it's OK to compile the list on fedorahosted.org/k12linux, I'd be >> happy to do so. >> >> -- >> Dan Young >> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >> 503-257-1562 >> > > A compilation of suggestions to date is here: > https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/LiveServer/F11CandidateApps I'd want freenx installed with the default NX key to be running to demonstrate how well remote cross-platform access works along with the thin client capabilities. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Jun 4 21:05:15 2009 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:05:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <994441ae0906041339r558ea84ct9ded46eecbe5bf63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I just put a preview release (dated 4/24/2009) of F11 on a flash drive and noticed that it does not include Firefox. The image I installed from is F11-Preview-i686-Live-KDE.iso from here: ftp://mirror.cc.vt.edu/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/11-Preview/Live/i686/ If Firefox would not otherwise be included on the K12Linux image, then I'd request it be added to the list. -- Henry From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Jun 5 01:49:37 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:49:37 -0500 Subject: UPDATE: Re: [K12OSN] C-Media CM8738 Sound Card Problem Message-ID: <1244166577.25342.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> murrah, on the tc in a terminal,do an: telnet ws253 16001 ,,then on the server in a terminal do an: telnet ws253 16001 see if either of these show a connection,,, should be "Escape character is,,," See if you can find another machine to use as an tc to try on your network to boot,,, take care, barry cisna From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Fri Jun 5 02:28:24 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:28:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool port K12Linux Message-ID: <4A2882C8.5080006@isp-systems.net> Anybody know when a port of fl_teachertool to K12Linux is going to be available? I have downloaded fl_teachertool-0.70 and followed the manual installation steps at http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/installation.html, but still not working. I get "No users logged in" If I run netstat -t -e -n, I see that my test TC user is connected at 172.31.100.100:6001 with group 501 and since at line 1845 in fl_teachertool.cxx I see getstdout_ss(outss, "LANG=C netstat -t -e -n|grep :6000| grep ESTABLISHED |sed -e 's/:/ /g'| sed -e 's/ESTABLISHED/ESTABLISHED /' | awk '{print $9,$6}'|sort|uniq", "ERROR: netstat failed"); the grep statement will always return an empty set and raise the "No users logged in" error. I tried changing the entry in fl_teachertool.cxx to grep :6001, commented out line 1868 that reads dummy.ip= getstdout("getent hosts | grep -w "+dummy.ip+" | awk '{print $2}' ","Error: getent failed"); and recompiled. This did allow fl_teachertool to see my session, but I could not connect to it. Anybody have any thoughts about this? Regards, Murrah Boswell From news at siddall.name Fri Jun 5 03:01:38 2009 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:01:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <12b235150906040448g49b0a78fg276ad7b617d173c2@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150906040522q34a4ca43l23528acc5e33dd00@mail.gmail.com> <4A27C273.5010703@siddall.name> <4A2809D9.20408@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4A288A92.5030808@siddall.name> Steven Santos wrote: > Terrell, > > I think the case for LTS is as strong today as it always has been. > > I completely agree with you on including LTS 4.x in a Centros version. > > Where I disagree with you is on legacy hardware being the driving factor. > Cost of operation is still the leading factor as far as I am concerned. I second that. I am new to LTSP and am rolling it out in a 10 user office on brand new hardware specifically because it is cheaper to support than an office full of fat clients. In my case I have one LTSP server (Phenom II X4 + 8 GB RAM) + 10 mini-ITX thin clients (Intel Little Falls board + Morex T3310 + 1 GB RAM + 24" LCD). The server hardware cost about $1200 and the client hardware costs about $460 each for a total of $5800. Previously each of these 10 users was getting a $1000 Windows PC every 4 years for a total of $10000. Even if _all_ the LTSP equipment is forklifted every 4 years (which is unnecessary -- at least for the clients) then the total hardware cost of LTSP is still about 40% less than Windows fat clients. Add to that the energy savings of more than $2000 every 4 years, plus the centralized support savings and there is still an excellent business case to be made for LTSP on _brand new_ hardware. Jeff From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jun 5 04:34:08 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:34:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A288A92.5030808@siddall.name> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <12b235150906040448g49b0a78fg276ad7b617d173c2@mail.gmail.com> <12b235150906040522q34a4ca43l23528acc5e33dd00@mail.gmail.com> <4A27C273.5010703@siddall.name> <4A2809D9.20408@cmosnetworks.com> <4A288A92.5030808@siddall.name> Message-ID: <4A28A040.8090105@cmosnetworks.com> Jeff Siddall wrote: > Steven Santos wrote: > >> Terrell, >> >> I think the case for LTS is as strong today as it always has been. >> >> I completely agree with you on including LTS 4.x in a Centros version. >> >> Where I disagree with you is on legacy hardware being the driving factor. >> Cost of operation is still the leading factor as far as I am concerned. >> > > I second that. > > I am new to LTSP and am rolling it out in a 10 user office on brand new > hardware specifically because it is cheaper to support than an office > full of fat clients. > > In my case I have one LTSP server (Phenom II X4 + 8 GB RAM) + 10 > mini-ITX thin clients (Intel Little Falls board + Morex T3310 + 1 GB RAM > + 24" LCD). > > The server hardware cost about $1200 and the client hardware costs about > $460 each for a total of $5800. > > Previously each of these 10 users was getting a $1000 Windows PC every 4 > years for a total of $10000. Even if _all_ the LTSP equipment is > forklifted every 4 years (which is unnecessary -- at least for the > clients) then the total hardware cost of LTSP is still about 40% less > than Windows fat clients. > > Add to that the energy savings of more than $2000 every 4 years, plus > the centralized support savings and there is still an excellent business > case to be made for LTSP on _brand new_ hardware. > > Jeff > I'm seeing two flaws in Jeff's argument. The first is that he's comparing $1000 MS Windows PC's to an LTSP lab. I, by contrast, am comparing $300 Ubuntu GNU/Linux machines to an LTSP lab. BIG difference. The second is that I'm talking about an LTSP 5 lab, not LTSP 4, with the business-case question. An LTSP 5 solution requires considerably beefier hardware, client and server both, than LTSP 4. Now, do that above calculation for a typical 20- to 30-seat K-12 computer lab, and the LTSP 5 solution just got considerably more expensive by comparison. The "ongoing maintenance" argument won't fly; the decision-makers will see that greater up-front cost and say "NO!" to LTSP-anything. Remember, our expertise is geekdom; theirs is administration/education. Different skill sets. If we stick with LTSP 4, though, we can continue to reuse old PC's or even use $100 thin clients instead of $460/seat. That $1200 server Jeff mentioned just became a fire-breathing screamer; I've done it on a a dual Athlon MP with 4GB DRAM. Now, we just got way cheaper than even the $300 ZaReason boxes, and our case for LTSP remains very strong. --TP From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Fri Jun 5 04:44:23 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:44:23 -0700 Subject: UPDATE: Re: [K12OSN] C-Media CM8738 Sound Card Problem In-Reply-To: <1244166577.25342.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1244166577.25342.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A28A2A7.9040307@isp-systems.net> Hello Barry, > on the tc in a terminal,do an: > telnet ws253 16001 > ,,then on the server in a terminal do an: > telnet ws253 16001 > > see if either of these show a connection,,, should be "Escape character > is,,," I have tried this in the past and can not telnet to port 16001. > See if you can find another machine to use as an tc to try on your > network to boot,,, I will work on getting another TC to test with. Thanks, Murrah Boswell > > take care, > barry cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From proyecto.edulin at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 12:07:56 2009 From: proyecto.edulin at gmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:07:56 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC for fedora10 has a bug? Message-ID: <12b235150906050507x40ccec4cxa62988ab61dd83a9@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks! Last night, I can run my micro distro with a 486 and 4MB ram + vnc client to a Fedora 10 vnc server. The cuestion is that a lot of time troubleshooting the implementation of server and find a typo in the package vnc-config-ltsp of group of packages LTSP from fedora (the typo is in the declaration of service 800*600*16 colours in vncts that have into the /etc/xinetd.d, that have a little 'x' more little that usual! and the vnc client gime a error! just replace the strange 'x' for a regular x into the argument 'server_args' in the declaration of geometry), when I connect the server give me in same time 2 instances of gdmgreeter!!! in short: when I connect I can see too login screen one on top of the other, and I when I login with a user, this can enter fine, but still I have the login screen mix with the Desktop!!! I can not out from sessions! I never seen that before... Some idea? The configuration of vnc server and xinetd is the same that k12ltsp centos5 Thank you for read! Alberto Castillo PD: I edit the mail. that have find that only with resolution 800*600*16 occurs this. In 640*480*16 do not have problems, I revisited all the code and I do not find anything wrong. From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 15:11:54 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:11:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Users randomly logged out? Message-ID: This just started a couple of days ago, but for just a very few users, they can be working and then are logged off the system ... or the X interface hangs and they are logged out. This is across several different thin clients (Dell GX150, Epia-based and Compaq systems) as well as two different servers. I am using the CentOS-based release with LTSP4.2. Is there a maximum number of gnome sessions or a maximum number of X connections that might be specified in a config file somewhere? This is just strange. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From wtogami at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 15:43:52 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:43:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <994441ae0906041344s6080639ds6c1e17875a4cfdd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26B4F2.5020505@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26E6A5.90501@redhat.com> <994441ae0906041326o37b5988fp22d922c0055831b0@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0906041344s6080639ds6c1e17875a4cfdd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A293D38.7010407@redhat.com> On 06/04/2009 04:44 PM, Dan Young wrote: > > A compilation of suggestions to date is here: > https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/LiveServer/F11CandidateApps # FreeNX client, server (0.3M) Does this actually work? In my experience it is horribly buggy and broken software. Also it has zero integration with LTSP. Warren From wtogami at redhat.com Fri Jun 5 15:45:46 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:45:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A293DAA.30502@redhat.com> On 06/04/2009 05:05 PM, Henry Hartley wrote: > I just put a preview release (dated 4/24/2009) of F11 on a flash drive and noticed that it does not include Firefox. The image I installed from is F11-Preview-i686-Live-KDE.iso from here: > > ftp://mirror.cc.vt.edu/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/11-Preview/Live/i686/ > > If Firefox would not otherwise be included on the K12Linux image, then I'd request it be added to the list. > > -- > Henry > Huh? It has been several years now, all releases of Fedora have included firefox including that particular release. Warren From lesmikesell at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 16:14:28 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:14:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A293D38.7010407@redhat.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26B4F2.5020505@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26E6A5.90501@redhat.com> <994441ae0906041326o37b5988fp22d922c0055831b0@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0906041344s6080639ds6c1e17875a4cfdd3@mail.gmail.com> <4A293D38.7010407@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A294464.30105@gmail.com> Warren Togami wrote: > On 06/04/2009 04:44 PM, Dan Young wrote: >> >> A compilation of suggestions to date is here: >> https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/LiveServer/F11CandidateApps > > # FreeNX client, server (0.3M) > > Does this actually work? In my experience it is horribly buggy and > broken software. Also it has zero integration with LTSP. I haven't used exactly that version, but for the ones I have, the server is fairly usable and doesn't hurt anything to have enabled because it won't start unless a client initiates a session via ssh. The most useful way to use it is install the no-cost NX client from www.nomachine.com on windows or macs and use them _in addition to_ the ltsp thin clients, or use it for remote access or administration. It's basically a remote X that is very bandwidth and latency efficient. You probably wouldn't want to use it for a large number of clients because of the server-side overhead but it is great to have it available for situations where you can't (or don't want to) boot as a thin client or you want to be able to shift a long-running session around, like picking up your desktop from home. And personally, I like the cut/paste between the session and native apps on the NX client side. There might be a security issue to be aware of if you use the default NX client key, though. The last time I checked (long ago...) you could establish a passwordless ssh session as the nx user with that key. You couldn't do anything directly with that login, but you could do ssh port-forwarding that might be able to reach services or other systems that you expect to be firewalled. Also, there is probably a bug that is fixed in the ubuntu version where you can't get a shadow session of the physical console. I can track that fix down if anyone needs it. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Jun 5 16:46:06 2009 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:46:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A293DAA.30502@redhat.com> Message-ID: Warren Togami wrote: >> On 06/04/2009 05:05 PM, Henry Hartley wrote: >> > I just put a preview release (dated 4/24/2009) of F11 on a flash >> > drive and noticed that it does not include Firefox. The image I >> > installed from is F11-Preview-i686-Live-KDE.iso from here: >> > >> > ftp://mirror.cc.vt.edu/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/11-Preview/Live/i686/ >> > >> > If Firefox would not otherwise be included on the K12Linux image, >> > then I'd request it be added to the list. >> >> Huh? It has been several years now, all releases of Fedora have >> included firefox including that particular release. Well, that's what I assumed, too. Without reinstalling I can't be completely sure but I'm *pretty* sure that it wasn't there. Could this be a KDE vs. Gnome thing? This is the KDE specific Fedora package. Or a Live vs. full install? A lot is left off the Live install, so maybe that's it? After installing on a USB drive and booting the system, I opened the "Web Browser" and up came Konqueror. I wanted Firefox so ran "yum install firefox" and it didn't say anything about it already being installed (and the yum log says it was installed -- not updated -- on June 3, when I did that). Yum installed 3.5 beta 4, by the way. Likewise, Thunderbird wasn't present until I installed it manually. Anyway, I assume by your response that it WILL be included on the package you make, so no worries and sorry to bother you. Thanks for your time and effort. It is much appreciated. -- Henry From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Jun 5 21:08:08 2009 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:08:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wrote: > Warren Togami wrote: > >> On 06/04/2009 05:05 PM, Henry Hartley wrote: > >> > I just put a preview release (dated 4/24/2009) of F11 on a > >> > flash drive and noticed that it does not include Firefox. The > >> > image I installed from is F11-Preview-i686-Live-KDE.iso from > >> > here: > >> > > >> > ftp://mirror.cc.vt.edu/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/11-Preview/Live/i686/ > >> > > >> > If Firefox would not otherwise be included on the K12Linux > >> > image, then I'd request it be added to the list. > >> > >> Huh? It has been several years now, all releases of Fedora > >> have included firefox including that particular release. > > Well, that's what I assumed, too. Without reinstalling I can't be > completely sure but I'm *pretty* sure that it wasn't there. Could > this be a KDE vs. Gnome thing? This is the KDE specific Fedora > package. Or a Live vs. full install? A lot is left off the Live > install, so maybe that's it? I went through the process of reinstalling both the "standard/gnome" and the "special/KDE" live image from the above address. The "standard" Fedora image (F11-Preview-i686-Live.iso) which uses Gnome includes Firefox. The "special" KDE spin (the iso file referenced in my initial e-mail, above) does NOT include Firefox. Odd, I think, but there you go. -- Henry From k12ltsp at rwcinc.net Fri Jun 5 21:45:40 2009 From: k12ltsp at rwcinc.net (Patrick Fleming) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:45:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Users randomly logged out? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A299204.8080809@rwcinc.net> Look for a network issue. This happens on clients that I have with flaking/aging network cards. If it's happening a lot I would suspect the hub or switch or the NIC on the server. Are these on the same network? You could also be experiencing conflicts with DHCP renewal if they are on the same wire. David Hopkins wrote: > This just started a couple of days ago, but for just a very few users, > they can be working and then are logged off the system ... or the X > interface hangs and they are logged out. This is across several > different thin clients (Dell GX150, Epia-based and Compaq systems) as > well as two different servers. I am using the CentOS-based release > with LTSP4.2. Is there a maximum number of gnome sessions or a > maximum number of X connections that might be specified in a config > file somewhere? This is just strange. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rowens at ptd.net Fri Jun 5 22:30:03 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:30:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <4A293D38.7010407@redhat.com> References: <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26B4F2.5020505@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26E6A5.90501@redhat.com> <994441ae0906041326o37b5988fp22d922c0055831b0@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0906041344s6080639ds6c1e17875a4cfdd3@mail.gmail.com> <4A293D38.7010407@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090605223003.GA11848@aurora.owens.net> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 11:43:52AM -0400, Warren Togami wrote: > On 06/04/2009 04:44 PM, Dan Young wrote: >> >> A compilation of suggestions to date is here: >> https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/LiveServer/F11CandidateApps > > # FreeNX client, server (0.3M) > > Does this actually work? In my experience it is horribly buggy and > broken software. Also it has zero integration with LTSP. > Maybe it is not integrated w/ LTSP, but it has a lot in common with LTSP. It allows machines to graphically connect to the LTSP server. It's the best way, in my opinion, to connect to a Linux machine from a Windows machine. I think it's a great idea to include it, as long as it works. -Rob From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Jun 5 23:15:56 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:15:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Users randomly logged out? Message-ID: <1244243756.1819.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi David, The way this is worded it sounds like it is user specific? I'm guessing this is a particular machine(s),that this is ocurring at? We have never experienced this at all on EL5,which is what I think you are running? Curious,what type of switch are you using that these TC's are piped into? Are the nics in the TC's that are dodgey by chance gigE? If this happens for a particular user,at any TC I'd save there home folder stuff they have saved, dump there profile,recreate it. Have you added any non-default stuff that is starting at say all users login? Sidenote: Way back,( several k12ltsp versions ago) when we had quotas set up for users home folders this would occur if they were very close to their home folder limit. May be worth checking also. Take Care, Barry Cisna From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 23:42:45 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:42:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Users randomly logged out? In-Reply-To: <1244243756.1819.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1244243756.1819.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: This is on 2 different servers with different hardware. And three different types of clients. None of the clients have gigE connections. I haven't had a chance ot get over to the school yet to try different accounts. I am using Amer.com switches primarily though I have some older Netgear switches as well. The school had a power hit the other day (lightning storm) but all the switches are on UPS and never went down. Clients were on both types of switches. Simply connecting 2 of the thin clients to a different server stopped the issue. Those clients were originally on the same server which is handling 40+ other systems without issues so it could be an issue with the dhcp database being corrupted somehow. I'll go in to the school this weekend and experiment with different hardware and accounts from the various locations that these clients are located. Thanks for the suggestions ... it gives me something to test. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hi David, > > The way this is worded it sounds like it is user specific? I'm guessing > this is a particular machine(s),that this is ocurring at? We have never > experienced this at all on EL5,which is what I think you are running? > Curious,what type of switch are you using that these TC's are piped > into? Are the nics in the TC's that are dodgey by chance gigE? If this > happens for a particular user,at any TC I'd save there home folder stuff > they have saved, dump there profile,recreate it. Have you added any > non-default stuff that is starting at say all users login? > Sidenote: Way back,( several k12ltsp versions ago) when we had quotas > set up for users home folders this would occur if they were very close > to their home folder limit. May be worth checking also. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Jun 5 23:52:04 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:52:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Users randomly logged out? Message-ID: <1244245924.7458.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> David, That is interesting you said you had some lightning 'stuff'. I would trace back from the switch the tc's are piped into and shut off,power back on each switch in the location you are having trouble with. In other words from room switch, hallway switch, server room switch. It's very possible one shut off and the next one did not, when (possibly) power went down,even for a second. We have some very weird stuff happen, strictly on M$ vi$ta clients that if the power goes out comes back on,over the weekend (as all of our switches are not on UPS), we have to sometimes simply 'switch' ports on the room switch before the client will do a domain login.Ip's look right ,can ping DC and blah,,blah,,,. Seems something is cached/arped into one switch or the other. Hope this makes sense. Take Care, Barry Cisna From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 17:04:30 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 13:04:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Users randomly logged out? In-Reply-To: <1244245924.7458.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1244245924.7458.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > That is interesting you said you had some lightning 'stuff'. I would > trace back from the switch the tc's are piped into and shut off,power > back on each switch in the location you are having trouble with. In > other words from room switch, hallway switch, server room switch. It's > very possible one shut off and the next one did not, when (possibly) > power went down,even for a second. Yep, went through the process of cycling power on the various devices. All the wiring on each floor go to a single closet per floor where the switches are located. I still get the same behavior. > We have some very weird stuff happen, > strictly on M$ vi$ta clients that if the power goes out comes back > on,over the weekend (as all of our switches are not on UPS), we have to > sometimes simply 'switch' ports on the room switch before the client > will do a domain login.Ip's look right ,can ping DC and blah,,blah,,,. > Seems something is cached/arped into one switch or the other. Hope this > makes sense. Lightning is just not good news ever and can make strange things happen. I tend to think that the CatVe that was installed wasn't installed right (low bid, etc) and is thus marginal for some of the rooms. I'll have to test the actual links over the summer (school has 1 more week of classes). Until I can do this to rule out cabling I have ran some long patch cables in the rooms and dropped in some 8-port gigabit switches in these locations. That seems to have corrected the issue when everything else didn't. So ... bad wiring in the walls? The switches aren't showing any errors in their logs though ... oh well, end of year gremlins. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From micha at arava.co.il Sun Jun 7 11:53:50 2009 From: micha at arava.co.il (Micha Silver) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:53:50 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Preparing K12Linux F11 In-Reply-To: <994441ae0906041344s6080639ds6c1e17875a4cfdd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A25F15F.4090602@redhat.com> <4A25FE1D.7080200@cmosnetworks.com> <4A267DE5.70208@cox.net> <8cc423ef0906030831v3973c8d0t9b888c713b86c360@mail.gmail.com> <4A269926.7080807@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26B4F2.5020505@cmosnetworks.com> <4A26E6A5.90501@redhat.com> <994441ae0906041326o37b5988fp22d922c0055831b0@mail.gmail.com> <994441ae0906041344s6080639ds6c1e17875a4cfdd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2BAA4E.5070500@arava.co.il> Dan Young wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Dan Young wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Warren Togami wrote: >> >>> On 06/03/2009 01:37 PM, Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: >>> >>>> Folks, OpenOffice.org is one of our two mondo-big poster children for >>>> desktop FOSS (Firefox is the other one). We need to get it immediately >>>> in front of people, again, just like Firefox. Best way to do that is to >>>> have it on the ISO image. >>>> >>>> >>> Do you volunteer to compile the list of Fedora packages to add? If nobody >>> does, then I will add nothing to the upcoming image. >>> >> If it's OK to compile the list on fedorahosted.org/k12linux, I'd be >> happy to do so. >> >> -- >> Dan Young >> Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >> 503-257-1562 >> >> > > A compilation of suggestions to date is here: > https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/LiveServer/F11CandidateApps > Here are a few more thoughts: Scribus Inkscape (I don't know if these come packaged anyway in the default F 11 spin. ) GCompris stellarium skychart Gnome has other edu software that parallel kdeedu and should be included, such as Gperiodic, but I don't think they are packaged yet for F11. Regards, Micha > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > This mail was received via Mail-SeCure System. > > > From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Sun Jun 7 16:05:01 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:05:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp-build-client not working Message-ID: <4A2BE52D.30802@isp-systems.net> Hello All, Anyone know what is going on with the repos called by ltsp-build-client? I keep getting: [root at k12linux init.d]# ltsp-build-client Autoconfigured Kickstart: /etc/ltsp/kickstart/Fedora/10/ltsp-i386.ks Cachedir: /var/cache/chroot Installing into /opt/ltsp/i386 Mounting /opt/ltsp/i386 for chroot installation Retrieving http://mirror.uoregon.edu/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386/repodata/repomd.xml ...OK Error creating image : Unable to download from repo : Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: temporary-10-i386. Please verify its path and try again error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally My firewall is disabled and I can get to http://mirror.uoregon.edu/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386/repodata/. I have tried to rerun ltsp-build-client several times after I delete the /opt directory, but it always fails at some point. Regards, Murrah Boswell From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Sun Jun 7 17:36:25 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:36:25 -0700 Subject: SOLVED MAYBE: Re: [K12OSN] ltsp-build-client not working In-Reply-To: <4A2BE52D.30802@isp-systems.net> References: <4A2BE52D.30802@isp-systems.net> Message-ID: <4A2BFA99.8050500@isp-systems.net> > Anyone know what is going on with the repos called by ltsp-build-client? > I keep getting: > > [root at k12linux init.d]# ltsp-build-client > Autoconfigured Kickstart: /etc/ltsp/kickstart/Fedora/10/ltsp-i386.ks > Cachedir: /var/cache/chroot > Installing into /opt/ltsp/i386 > Mounting /opt/ltsp/i386 for chroot installation > Retrieving > http://mirror.uoregon.edu/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386/repodata/repomd.xml > ...OK > Error creating image : Unable to download from repo : Cannot retrieve > repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: temporary-10-i386. > Please verify its path and try again > error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally > > > My firewall is disabled and I can get to > http://mirror.uoregon.edu/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386/repodata/. > > I have tried to rerun ltsp-build-client several times after I delete the > /opt directory, but it always fails at some point. I went into /etc/ltsp/kickstart/Fedora/10/ltsp-i386.ks and commented out the line: #repo --name=temporary-10-i386 --baseurl=http://togami.com/~k12linux-temporary/fedora/10/i386/ because http://togami.com is offline. This appears to have fixed the problem since now I am not getting errors about repo temporary-10-i386 and ltsp-build-client is once again retrieving. http://togami.com must have gone offline last night since my ltsp-build-client run started late died in the middle of the night. Murrah Boswell From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Sun Jun 7 17:54:39 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:54:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp-build-client quick fix? Message-ID: <4A2BFEDF.6030003@isp-systems.net> Hello All, I have ltsp-build-client running again but it is very, very slow. Does anyone know if I can copy the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory structure from the K12Linux Live CD to the server that I am trying to setup and have it function properly? The problem is that the server I am trying to setup K12Linux on can not read a dvd or boot off a usb stick, so I would have to ftp the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory structure from one server running K12Linux Live on a usb stick to the new server. Will this work? Regards, Murrah Boswell From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Sun Jun 7 19:18:37 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 12:18:37 -0700 Subject: NEVER MIND: Re: [K12OSN] ltsp-build-client quick fix? In-Reply-To: <4A2BFEDF.6030003@isp-systems.net> References: <4A2BFEDF.6030003@isp-systems.net> Message-ID: <4A2C128D.4060108@isp-systems.net> Disregard the whining below about the slowness, ltsp-build-client completed! Murrah > Hello All, > > I have ltsp-build-client running again but it is very, very slow. > > Does anyone know if I can copy the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory structure > from the K12Linux Live CD to the server that I am trying to setup and > have it function properly? > > The problem is that the server I am trying to setup K12Linux on can not > read a dvd or boot off a usb stick, so I would have to ftp the > /opt/ltsp/i386 directory structure from one server running K12Linux Live > on a usb stick to the new server. Will this work? > > > Regards, > Murrah Boswell > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Jun 7 20:16:50 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:16:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Users randomly logged out? Message-ID: <1244405810.14327.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> David, Just an idea. For your troubleshooting tool belt,you could download jperf,that I built an rpm for. A lot of people in the higher end network community have been downloading this quite a bit and have been emailing saying how slick it works. It does have some built in jitter graphs. Don't know if it would pinpoint anything in real time on your network to show the prob? The rpm installs about all the dependencies in one shot. View the readme at the url before you install for a description.Install on your k12ltsp server,run jperf in server mode,then simply fire up client mode within the tc,and see if anything looks wonky. It won't be as conclusive as the good ol Fluke network testers,but what the hey.It's pretty simple but may show something. I sound like a salesman ,don't I?...:) ftp://eazylivin.net/server/jperf/ Hope this helps. Take Care, Barry Cisna From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Sun Jun 7 22:42:44 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:42:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding to chroot environment Message-ID: <4A2C4264.1050209@isp-systems.net> Hello All, Could someone explain to me, fairly step-by-step, how to add applications to the k12ltsp chrooted environment /opt/ltsp/i386? Or am I missing something basic about how a thin-client TC operates? I want to add Gnu Gateway (GnuGk) to the server and need to be able to have ohphone listening on each TC for phone calls coming from the teacher at the server. If I install GnuGk on the server by standard methods, will the TC dynamically have access to ophone? Same question for firefox 3. I want to use firefox 2 and do away with xulrunner and yelp, so will the TC clients dynamically have access to firefox 2 on the server, or do I have to "install" it in the chrooted environment? Regards, Murrah Boswell From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Tue Jun 9 04:40:38 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:40:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fresh install K12LTSP 5EL questions Message-ID: <4A2DE7C6.9030906@isp-systems.net> Hello All, I did a fresh install, accepting all the defaults, of K12LTSP 5EL (Centos 5) and have some questions. Without any tweaks, a TC would not boot. To get it to boot, First I had to start dhcp manually and then set it to start at boot. Then I had to start NFS manually and set it to start at boot. Then I had to stop iptables and ip6tables and disable them both from starting at boot to allow NFS traffic through to the TC. I left nat running. Should I have had to do all this out of the box or did I miss some setup parameters? Regards, Murrah Boswell From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jun 9 04:51:03 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:51:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fresh install K12LTSP 5EL questions In-Reply-To: <4A2DE7C6.9030906@isp-systems.net> References: <4A2DE7C6.9030906@isp-systems.net> Message-ID: <4A2DEA37.7030809@cmosnetworks.com> murrah boswell wrote: > Hello All, > > I did a fresh install, accepting all the defaults, of K12LTSP 5EL > (Centos 5) and have some questions. > > Without any tweaks, a TC would not boot. > > To get it to boot, > > First I had to start dhcp manually and then set it to start at boot. > > Then I had to start NFS manually and set it to start at boot. > > Then I had to stop iptables and ip6tables and disable them both from > starting at boot to allow NFS traffic through to the TC. > > I left nat running. > > Should I have had to do all this out of the box or did I miss some > setup parameters? Yup, that should automatically be up and running after a default K12LTSP 5EL install. Vewwy intewwesting.... I know you said you accepted all the defaults, but I'll still ask. Are you *absolutely* sure you chose the LTSP install? I've chosen "server" before, which is not quite the same thing. --TP From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Jun 9 11:23:01 2009 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:23:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fresh install K12LTSP 5EL questions Message-ID: <1244546581.17068.8.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> murrah, I believe the reason your tc's were not booting was actually the iptables & iptables6 were starting at server bootup. These two have to be disabled at boot until you do some firewall opening, otherwise the tc's will NOT boot. I don't know why these firewall rules were never set correctly in the ltsp setup scripts? You should NOT have had to reset any service of dhcp or nfs to start at boot.These two should start automagically at first server bootup. Are you using the two nic setup on your server? Did you actually do an ' service dhcpd status' & 'service nfs status' after the server was started to see if these services were if fact running or not running? Bottom line,sounds like your tc(s) are booting fine now. Take Care, Barry Cisna From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Tue Jun 9 14:03:59 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:03:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fresh install K12LTSP 5EL questions In-Reply-To: <1244546581.17068.8.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1244546581.17068.8.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <4A2E6BCF.7050002@isp-systems.net> Hello Barry, > I believe the reason your tc's were not booting was actually the > iptables & iptables6 were starting at server bootup. These two have to > be disabled at boot until you do some firewall opening, otherwise the > tc's will NOT boot. I don't know why these firewall rules were never set > correctly in the ltsp setup scripts? > You should NOT have had to reset any service of dhcp or nfs to start at > boot.These two should start automagically at first server bootup. > Are you using the two nic setup on your server? Yes and I took the default two nic setup. > Did you actually do an ' service dhcpd status' & 'service nfs status' > after the server was started to see if these services were if fact > running or not running? No I did not check dhcp and nfs status at initial server start. I will reinstall tonight and then check these. > Bottom line,sounds like your tc(s) are booting fine now. Yeah it is working kinda sort, but I still can not get the maestro3 modules to load at TC boot. Dell C600 remember? Still does not work! This is why I did a completely fresh install to see if I messed something up the first time I installed K12LTSP 5EL (Centos 5). I am very new to the thin-client server/client environment, but like the cleanness and quickness of K12LTSP 5EL (Centos 5) over K12Linux so would like to baseline that distribution for my testbed. Again though, I will do another fresh install of K12LTSP 5EL (Centos 5) tonight and check initial server state. Regards, Murrah Boswell From rowens at ptd.net Tue Jun 9 21:21:38 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:21:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fresh install K12LTSP 5EL questions In-Reply-To: <4A2E6BCF.7050002@isp-systems.net> References: <1244546581.17068.8.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> <4A2E6BCF.7050002@isp-systems.net> Message-ID: <20090609212138.GE13411@aurora.owens.net> On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 07:03:59AM -0700, murrah boswell wrote: > Hello Barry, > >> I believe the reason your tc's were not booting was actually the >> iptables & iptables6 were starting at server bootup. These two have to >> be disabled at boot until you do some firewall opening, otherwise the >> tc's will NOT boot. I don't know why these firewall rules were never set >> correctly in the ltsp setup scripts? >> You should NOT have had to reset any service of dhcp or nfs to start at >> boot.These two should start automagically at first server bootup. >> Are you using the two nic setup on your server? > > Yes and I took the default two nic setup. > Are you sure you hooked the thin clients up to the correct nic? -Rob From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Wed Jun 10 00:51:19 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:51:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fresh install K12LTSP 5EL questions In-Reply-To: <20090609212138.GE13411@aurora.owens.net> References: <1244546581.17068.8.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> <4A2E6BCF.7050002@isp-systems.net> <20090609212138.GE13411@aurora.owens.net> Message-ID: <4A2F0387.1050503@isp-systems.net> >> > Are you sure you hooked the thin clients up to the correct nic? Yeah! > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Thu Jun 11 01:16:13 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:16:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fresh install K12LTSP 5EL questions In-Reply-To: <1244546581.17068.8.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1244546581.17068.8.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <4A305ADD.5070009@isp-systems.net> hello Barry, > I believe the reason your tc's were not booting was actually the > iptables & iptables6 were starting at server bootup. These two have to > be disabled at boot until you do some firewall opening, otherwise the > tc's will NOT boot. I don't know why these firewall rules were never set > correctly in the ltsp setup scripts? > You should NOT have had to reset any service of dhcp or nfs to start at > boot.These two should start automagically at first server bootup. > Are you using the two nic setup on your server? > Did you actually do an ' service dhcpd status' & 'service nfs status' > after the server was started to see if these services were if fact > running or not running? > Bottom line,sounds like your tc(s) are booting fine now. Interesting development! The fresh install I did was in "text" mode (which I normally do since I never used the X environment before) and all the tweaks I described previously were necessary. But it was working so I thought I would experiment for awhile with getting GnuGK installed. Then when I ran a yum update, all the files got downloaded and installed, but half way through the cleanup process I got a "bus error" message. I have read that several things could cause this, most related to python, but I could not verify this since my system was completely unstable. Whatever happened, made my system completely unusable. Libraries got trashed and the system was hosed. Even an attempted repair of the system failed. So I reinstalled, but this time I went the gui route, selected the same default options, and this time at first boot, both dhcp and nfs were running as logically they should have been, and my test TC booted perfectly without any tweaks even with iptables/ip6tables running. I do not know what the difference between the initial configuration going the "gui" route versus the "text" route does, but it is significant on my system. Now, however, I am reticent to do a full yum update for fear of the "bus error." So I will just do critical updates as I see a need. Still can not get the maestro3 module to load for the Dell C600 and do not have any more insights into this problem, and to respond to another of your suggestions from a previous message, I connected another TC (A new IBM motherboard with onboard audio) and again, audio drivers could not be loaded. Regards, Murrah Boswell > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lesmikesell at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 01:51:55 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:51:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fresh install K12LTSP 5EL questions In-Reply-To: <4A305ADD.5070009@isp-systems.net> References: <1244546581.17068.8.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> <4A305ADD.5070009@isp-systems.net> Message-ID: <4A30633B.1050902@gmail.com> murrah boswell wrote: > hello Barry, > > >> I believe the reason your tc's were not booting was actually the >> iptables & iptables6 were starting at server bootup. These two have to >> be disabled at boot until you do some firewall opening, otherwise the >> tc's will NOT boot. I don't know why these firewall rules were never set >> correctly in the ltsp setup scripts? >> You should NOT have had to reset any service of dhcp or nfs to start at >> boot.These two should start automagically at first server bootup. >> Are you using the two nic setup on your server? >> Did you actually do an ' service dhcpd status' & 'service nfs status' >> after the server was started to see if these services were if fact >> running or not running? >> Bottom line,sounds like your tc(s) are booting fine now. > > Interesting development! The fresh install I did was in "text" mode > (which I normally do since I never used the X environment before) and > all the tweaks I described previously were necessary. But it was working > so I thought I would experiment for awhile with getting GnuGK installed. > Then when I ran a yum update, all the files got downloaded and > installed, but half way through the cleanup process I got a "bus error" > message. I have read that several things could cause this, most related > to python, but I could not verify this since my system was completely > unstable. > > Whatever happened, made my system completely unusable. Libraries got > trashed and the system was hosed. Even an attempted repair of the system > failed. So I reinstalled, but this time I went the gui route, selected > the same default options, and this time at first boot, both dhcp and nfs > were running as logically they should have been, and my test TC booted > perfectly without any tweaks even with iptables/ip6tables running. > > I do not know what the difference between the initial configuration > going the "gui" route versus the "text" route does, but it is > significant on my system. > > Now, however, I am reticent to do a full yum update for fear of the "bus > error." So I will just do critical updates as I see a need. If you are starting from a pre-5.3 version, updating to 5.3 it may be necessary to yum update glibc\* first. And just on general principles I'd also yum update rpm\* yum\* too before doing a full yum update. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jun 12 14:00:14 2009 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:00:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A little over a week left! Register for FOSSed 2009 today! Message-ID: http://www.fossed.com Register today! Hi all, The schedule is on its way to being finalized....I hope to have it done this weekend. In the meantime...I hope that you will take the opportunity to register for FOSSed 2009! We're getting ready for an awesome conference and we want to see YOU there! FOSSed is a week and a few days from now...and we're ordering linens, firming up sponsors, scheduling presenters, getting ready for the banquet and much more! We want YOU to be a part of it! FOSSed is a great way to start the summer and get your brain thinking about some cool new things you can do for next school year! 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Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 (207)923-4305 (direct) From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Jun 12 19:37:30 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:37:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fresh install K12LTSP 5EL questions Message-ID: <1244835450.3742.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> hi murrah, sounds like you are kind of struggling with your k12ltsp server. try reinstalling using the graphical installer. it kinda sounds like you may be shooting yourself in the foot ,right off of the bat. do you have standard pci nics installed on your server? if so they should be setup without any probs. what puzzles me is why you have to set your dhcp and nfs server to start at boot. this should be done automatically without user intervention. also make sure your iptables , and iptables6 are shutoff at boot time after you do the initial install. do NOT do an yum update at least for a while. make sure you get a couple tc's booting properly. to be honest i never update anything unless someone wants something added to the server and i see updates may be needed for the additions being made. i go by the old saying let a sleeping dog lie:).,,or if it aint broke don't fix it. i figure by the time i want to do all kinda updating ,i'll do a fresh install of the latest greatest build of what is new on the market! have you ever gotten sound on any of the tcs you have available? let us know your progress. take care, barry cisna From sebastian at when.com Fri Jun 12 23:06:24 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:06:24 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Introducing Fedora's Education SIG Message-ID: <4A32DF70.8020401@when.com> Hi everybody, I'm Sebastian Dziallas, the lead of Fedora's Education Special Interest Group, where we're currently working out a new concept of an educational open source solution for students, as well as teachers. It basically includes a spin - a special flavor of Fedora - designed especially for students and teachers, to provide them with an encouraging experience to contribute to educational efforts. So this is about allowing you, your students, to better work with upstream projects and even to contribute to them. So we're not providing the perfect solution. We're making the tools to create it. Now, why am I sending this here? Because we need YOU! We need teachers interested in such solutions, who're willing to talk to developers, as it is currently happening in SugarLabs' Math4 project [1], which has been started by Greg DeKoenigsberg. Following that way, developers will have people to make stuff for. In the end, it's all about establishing a connection between the different involved parties: Students. Teachers. Developers. That's what we're trying to do. So if you can articulate problems, on which classes could work, for example using our spin, just speak up. If this sounds interesting to you, you might also want to head over to our wiki page [2]. Please share any ideas or thoughts you may have with us! Mel, who I cc'ed to this e-mail, Warren and me are happy to answer questions... Best Regards, Sebastian Dziallas [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Math4Team [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education From mel at redhat.com Sat Jun 13 02:13:06 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:13:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Introducing Fedora's Education SIG In-Reply-To: <4A32DF70.8020401@when.com> References: <4A32DF70.8020401@when.com> Message-ID: <4A330B32.40907@redhat.com> Hey, everyone! I've been lurking on this list, but I suppose now is as good a time as any to introduce myself. My name is Mel. I'm an engineer and an education geek, and (as Sebastian mentioned) helping him on the Fedora education spin (during "free time" when I'm not working on http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_2009, teaching professors how to teach open source, as part of my day job at Red Hat with Greg). > It basically includes a spin - a special flavor of Fedora - designed > especially for students and teachers, to provide them with an > encouraging experience to contribute to educational efforts. > So this is about allowing you, your students, to better work with > upstream projects and even to contribute to them. So we're not providing > the perfect solution. We're making the tools to create it. This is really important. For the spin, we're *not* making (or packaging or providing) software that K-12 students can use to study - you won't find flash cards or astronomy charts or dictionaries or anything of the sort in here. The spin we're going to be releasing on July 19 is not intended for use in, say, a 4th grade classroom. What we *are* making is a development environment for people who want to make things that K-12 students can use to study. Those people could definitely include the K-12 students themselves, and we hope it'll include you as well. We're pretty sure it will include at least some of the CS professors coming out to POSSE in July - they are professors teaching classes (not necessarily education classes) who want their students to contribute to open-source efforts as part of their coursework, and some of these groups are likely to have a strong interest in contributing to open-source *education* projects in particular. (So they might, for instance, assign one of their student teams to find a middle school science class and make a game to help them learn the topic they're studying. I'm making this particular example up, but you get the idea.) Now, admittedly, there's a good amount of overlap between making things to help you learn, and learning. (Projects like Sugar Labs actually treat them as more or less the same thing.) But we're focused on the first for the next month. We're doing this, in part, because we want to build an ecosystem of great education packages - but in order to do that, it's got to be easy for people to help. So we're making the tools for that first. Hopefully that makes sense - as Sebastian said, please ask questions and shout out ideas at any time, and we'll figure things out together as we go along. Cheers! --Mel From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Sat Jun 13 05:07:24 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:07:24 -0700 Subject: TWO PROBLEMS SOLVED: Re: [K12OSN] Fresh install K12LTSP 5EL questions In-Reply-To: <1244835450.3742.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1244835450.3742.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A33340C.4040507@isp-systems.net> Hello Barry, > sounds like you are kind of struggling with your k12ltsp server. try > reinstalling using the graphical installer. it kinda sounds like you may > be shooting yourself in the foot ,right off of the bat. do you have > standard pci nics installed on your server? if so they should be setup > without any probs. what puzzles me is why you have to set your dhcp and > nfs server to start at boot. this should be done automatically without > user intervention. also make sure your iptables , and iptables6 are > shutoff at boot time after you do the initial install. do NOT do an yum > update at least for a while. make sure you get a couple tc's booting > properly. to be honest i never update anything unless someone wants > something added to the server and i see updates may be needed for the > additions being made. i go by the old saying let a sleeping dog > lie:).,,or if it aint broke don't fix it. i figure by the time i want to > do all kinda updating ,i'll do a fresh install of the latest greatest > build of what is new on the market! have you ever gotten sound on any of > the tcs you have available? > let us know your progress. A fresh reinstall using the graphical method worked to get he system setup where dhcp and nfs were properly configured and running at initial boot. I shut off iptables and ip6tables at initial configuration. My test TC did boot properly without any tweaking, however, errors are still being raised about not being able to locate the maestro3 module. After some digging around, I discovered the rc.sound script. I realized that the line: SMODULE=`echo $SMODULE | sed s/[.]o$//g` would never locate my modules since they are type .ko modules. I changed this line to: SMODULE=`echo $SMODULE | sed s/[.]ko$//g` Now I can find the maestro3 module at TC boot and I see that the TC is acceptng connections on port 16001 finally. However, now I am getting the "/dev/dsp: file or directory not found" error, so I guess esd is not getting properly loaded. I am going to see what tweaks will get me beyond this error tonight. I set SCREEN_02 = shell in lts.conf for my TC entry, switched into shell mode. lsmod shows: snd_maestro3 0 ... snd snd_maestro3,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore snd but I still get error that /dev/dsp does not exist on the TC. /bin/esdplay /etc/silent.wav raises error that /dev/dsp file or directory not found. So I revisted Peter Scheie's comment of 6.2.2009 and again downloaded LTSP-esd-alsa_1.0.0-2.tgz wget http://softlayer.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/symbiont/LTSP-esd-alsa_1.0.0-2.tgz and ran the install program and changed the new rc.sound to sed on .ko and rebooted my TC. That did the trick, I now have sound on my DELL Latitude C600. The previous time I downloaded LTSP-esd-alsa that Peter recommended, I didn't know to change the sed in rc.sound, but this time it worked perfectly. Thanks Peter for the link! And thank you Barry for all your continued attention to my problem. BTW, I agree with your position on updates. Normally I never update except for glibc\* and kernel\* and disable yum-updatesd, but I wanted to see if a full update would correct the maestro3 module problem. Now I know the maestro3 problem was unrelated to versions of apps at initial install so I will not do a full yum update again. Regards, Murrah Boswell From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Jun 13 12:14:05 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:14:05 -0500 Subject: TWO PROBLEMS SOLVED: Re: [K12OSN] Fresh install K12LTSP 5EL questions Message-ID: <1244895245.26343.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> hi murrah, glad to hear you got sound working on your lone tc. at least you know sound will work on that machine! now that your server is up and operational you will see how trouble free it will run for a long time. look at it this way. when i first got into this, it was a big deal to get a floppy drive working on the tc,,:) whooohooo... sound works pretty well on most machines any more but there are always going to be certain sound cards that you have to hand edit some configs to make 'em work. good luck barry cisna From boushara at louisiana.k12.mo.us Mon Jun 15 16:27:06 2009 From: boushara at louisiana.k12.mo.us (Alan Boushard) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:27:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DNS/NATing issues.... Message-ID: <966923.01245083223921.JavaMail.SYSTEM@techdirhp> Hello, I have had my K12LTSP server up all year without any problems. I go on vacation, (mistake number 1), when I get back my users can't surf the web. It acts as if there is not a internet connection. I start pinging my way through my network and I can reach the internet without any problems and I can even ping my DNS servers, which are OpenDNS servers so I have internet connection but it won't resolve domain names. I did have a bad storm here when I was on vacation and it shut down my server but it doesn't show anything wrong during bootup. Alan Tech Director Louisiana R-II School District Louisiana, MO From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 15 16:43:35 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:43:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS/NATing issues.... In-Reply-To: <966923.01245083223921.JavaMail.SYSTEM@techdirhp> References: <966923.01245083223921.JavaMail.SYSTEM@techdirhp> Message-ID: <994441ae0906150943p2e41cc1ana48be0481bb9ac81@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Alan Boushard wrote: > Hello, > I have had my K12LTSP server up all year without any problems. ?I go on vacation, (mistake number 1), when I get back my users can't surf the web. ?It acts as if there is not a internet connection. ?I start pinging my way through my network and I can reach the internet without any problems and I can even ping my DNS servers, which are OpenDNS servers so I have internet connection but it won't resolve domain names. ?I did have a bad storm here when I was on vacation and it shut down my server but it doesn't show anything wrong during bootup. Can you try (as root): services nat start If that has the desired effect, you'll want to: chkconfig --levels 345 nat on -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lesmikesell at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 16:51:31 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:51:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS/NATing issues.... In-Reply-To: <966923.01245083223921.JavaMail.SYSTEM@techdirhp> References: <966923.01245083223921.JavaMail.SYSTEM@techdirhp> Message-ID: <4A367C13.50002@gmail.com> Alan Boushard wrote: > Hello, > I have had my K12LTSP server up all year without any problems. I go on vacation, (mistake number 1), when I get back my users can't surf the web. It acts as if there is not a internet connection. I start pinging my way through my network and I can reach the internet without any problems and I can even ping my DNS servers, which are OpenDNS servers so I have internet connection but it won't resolve domain names. I did have a bad storm here when I was on vacation and it shut down my server but it doesn't show anything wrong during bootup. 'dig' is the tool to diagnose dns problems. Make sure that named is running on the server and that it has access to the upstream servers. A possible problem is that an upstream firewall/router was reset or changed and now doesn't let UDP through. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jun 16 04:22:48 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:22:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS/NATing issues.... In-Reply-To: <966923.01245083223921.JavaMail.SYSTEM@techdirhp> References: <966923.01245083223921.JavaMail.SYSTEM@techdirhp> Message-ID: <4A371E18.8040909@cmosnetworks.com> Alan Boushard wrote: > Hello, > I have had my K12LTSP server up all year without any problems. I go on vacation, (mistake number 1), when I get back my users can't surf the web. It acts as if there is not a internet connection. I start pinging my way through my network and I can reach the internet without any problems and I can even ping my DNS servers, which are OpenDNS servers so I have internet connection but it won't resolve domain names. I did have a bad storm here when I was on vacation and it shut down my server but it doesn't show anything wrong during bootup. > Just to eliminate the basic stuff, have a look at your /etc/resolv.conf and make good and sure you're pointing to the right DNS servers. Another troubleshooting step would be to fire up nslookup, point it at a public DNS server (198.6.1.2 is UUNET's), and see if you can resolve names. --TP From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Jun 16 10:58:16 2009 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:58:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS/NATing issues.... Message-ID: <1245149896.20259.6.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Alan, Do the following in this order in an terminal (as root), 1. service iptables stop 2. service ip6tables stop 3. service network restart 4. service nat stop 5. service nat start 6. make sure the tc's web browser is set to 'direct internet connection' Reboot a couple TC's. See if things are back to normal... Another thing to consider. You are not running any kind of Squid/DansGuardian on this server are you? Let us know your results. Take Care, Barry Cisna From boushara at louisiana.k12.mo.us Tue Jun 16 14:22:09 2009 From: boushara at louisiana.k12.mo.us (Alan Boushard) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:22:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DNS/NATing issues.... In-Reply-To: <26025554.171245162007078.JavaMail.SYSTEM@techdirhp> Message-ID: <19172862.191245162125296.JavaMail.SYSTEM@techdirhp> I have done all the suggestions that have been given but still no luck. nslookup works with OpenDNS servers. I can ping internet sites with the IP addresses but can't with their domain names. resolv.conf looks normal. I am going to reinstall, I do a fresh install for each school year anyway, this one will just be a little sooner. Thanks for the Help. Alan Boushard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Cisna" To: "K12LTSP List Archives" Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:58:16 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [K12OSN] DNS/NATing issues.... Alan, Do the following in this order in an terminal (as root), 1. service iptables stop 2. service ip6tables stop 3. service network restart 4. service nat stop 5. service nat start 6. make sure the tc's web browser is set to 'direct internet connection' Reboot a couple TC's. See if things are back to normal... Another thing to consider. You are not running any kind of Squid/DansGuardian on this server are you? Let us know your results. Take Care, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lesmikesell at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 15:22:12 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:22:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS/NATing issues.... In-Reply-To: <19172862.191245162125296.JavaMail.SYSTEM@techdirhp> References: <19172862.191245162125296.JavaMail.SYSTEM@techdirhp> Message-ID: <4A37B8A4.7020406@gmail.com> Alan Boushard wrote: > I have done all the suggestions that have been given but still no luck. nslookup works with OpenDNS servers. What does that mean? Does nslookup work if you don't specify a server? > I can ping internet sites with the IP addresses but can't with their domain names. So DNS clearly is not working. Is this from the server, a thin client, a NAT'ed client or all 3? resolv.conf looks normal. Does it point to the local server? Are you running named at all? If the problem is with NATed clients, what DNS server(s) are you giving them with DHCP? Does 'dig' give you a list of root servers? > I am going to reinstall, I do a fresh install for each school year anyway, this one will just be a little sooner. Thanks for the Help. I think you are missing something obvious. DNS problems aren't that hard to diagnose. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From dcurtis at sbschools.net Wed Jun 17 13:28:37 2009 From: dcurtis at sbschools.net (dcurtis at sbschools.net) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:28:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0E7@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net> We have started to investigate K12linux and so far we like it a lot. The issue(s) we are having is finding documentation that works with the latest version. One thing we are trying to do is change the firefox icon on the launcher and remove the evolution icon from the launcher for all users and we have not been able to figure that out of find documentation on how to. We are using Gnome as the desktop managers. Thanks in advance for any help. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Wed Jun 17 13:55:14 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:55:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0E7@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net> References: <24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0E7@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net> Message-ID: <4A38F5C2.4060007@redhat.com> > latest version. One thing we are trying to do is change the firefox icon > on the launcher and remove the evolution icon from the launcher for all > users and we have not been able to figure that out of find documentation > on how to. We are using Gnome as the desktop managers. This is how it works for GNOME on my Fedora install, so hopefully it'll work for you: Remove the Evolution icon: * right-click on the icon in the taskbar * select "remove from panel" Change the Firefox icon: * right-click on the icon in the taskbar * click "properties" * click the icon (in the top left corner) * choose a new icon --Mel From dcurtis at sbschools.net Wed Jun 17 14:12:33 2009 From: dcurtis at sbschools.net (dcurtis at sbschools.net) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:12:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4A38F5C2.4060007@redhat.com> References: <24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0E7@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net> <4A38F5C2.4060007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0EA@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net> That works for the one user, I am trying to setup the desktop for all new users to have a certain firefox setting and no evolution icon. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mel Chua Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:55 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] (no subject) > latest version. One thing we are trying to do is change the firefox icon > on the launcher and remove the evolution icon from the launcher for all > users and we have not been able to figure that out of find documentation > on how to. We are using Gnome as the desktop managers. This is how it works for GNOME on my Fedora install, so hopefully it'll work for you: Remove the Evolution icon: * right-click on the icon in the taskbar * select "remove from panel" Change the Firefox icon: * right-click on the icon in the taskbar * click "properties" * click the icon (in the top left corner) * choose a new icon --Mel _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jahnigl at hotmail.com Wed Jun 17 15:30:07 2009 From: jahnigl at hotmail.com (Lance Jahnig) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:30:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0EA@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net> References: <24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0E7@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net><4A38F5C2.4060007@redhat.com> <24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0EA@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net> Message-ID: > That works for the one user, I am trying to setup the desktop for all > new users to have a certain firefox setting and no evolution icon. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Mel Chua > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:55 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] (no subject) > >> latest version. One thing we are trying to do is change the firefox > icon >> on the launcher and remove the evolution icon from the launcher for > all >> users and we have not been able to figure that out of find > documentation >> on how to. We are using Gnome as the desktop managers. > > This is how it works for GNOME on my Fedora install, so hopefully it'll > work for you: > > Remove the Evolution icon: > * right-click on the icon in the taskbar > * select "remove from panel" > > Change the Firefox icon: > * right-click on the icon in the taskbar > * click "properties" > * click the icon (in the top left corner) > * choose a new icon > > --Mel The settings are in: /usr/share/applications edit redhat-web.desktop (icon settings toward the bottom of the file) - this may be reset when updates are applied move gnome-nautilus.desktop out of this folder - this may be put back when updates are applied From dcurtis at sbschools.net Wed Jun 17 17:20:21 2009 From: dcurtis at sbschools.net (dcurtis at sbschools.net) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:20:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0E7@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net><4A38F5C2.4060007@redhat.com><24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0EA@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net> Message-ID: <24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0EB@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net> I think that got me a little further, but it is not making any change on the firefox on the launcher, just the firefox application. Am I missing something simple? Once I made the change in redhat-web.desktop, it changed the Exec to firefox %s on the launcher but I cannot find that setting anywhere. What I am trying to do is have the Exec=ltsp-localapps firefox %u. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Lance Jahnig Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:30 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] (no subject) > That works for the one user, I am trying to setup the desktop for all > new users to have a certain firefox setting and no evolution icon. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Mel Chua > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:55 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] (no subject) > >> latest version. One thing we are trying to do is change the firefox > icon >> on the launcher and remove the evolution icon from the launcher for > all >> users and we have not been able to figure that out of find > documentation >> on how to. We are using Gnome as the desktop managers. > > This is how it works for GNOME on my Fedora install, so hopefully it'll > work for you: > > Remove the Evolution icon: > * right-click on the icon in the taskbar > * select "remove from panel" > > Change the Firefox icon: > * right-click on the icon in the taskbar > * click "properties" > * click the icon (in the top left corner) > * choose a new icon > > --Mel The settings are in: /usr/share/applications edit redhat-web.desktop (icon settings toward the bottom of the file) - this may be reset when updates are applied move gnome-nautilus.desktop out of this folder - this may be put back when updates are applied _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dcurtis at sbschools.net Wed Jun 17 19:37:29 2009 From: dcurtis at sbschools.net (dcurtis at sbschools.net) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:37:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0E7@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net><4A38F5C2.4060007@redhat.com><24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0EA@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net> Message-ID: <24AAD26C88B9534093235DD9C02F4D170368C0F1@exchangesrvr.sbschools.net> I finally found something. Looks like this worked for me: To set the preferences for a panel and the objects on a panel perform the following steps: 1. Log in to a GNOME session, and configure the panels as required. 2. Use the --dump option with the gconftool-2 command line tool to generate a file that contains an XML description of your panel configuration. The --dump option generates a list that contains all preference keys in a GConf repository directory that you specify. For example, the following command creates an XML description of the default panel configuration in a file called my-panel-setup.entries: gconftool-2 --dump /apps/panel > my-panel-setup.entries 3. Open the my-panel-setup.entries file in a text editor, and modify the file as required. For example, you might want to change the location of the desktop entry files. The following is an excerpt from a file generated with the --dump option: objects/object_16/launcher_location /schemas/apps/panel/objects/launcher_location hadjaha-00adce02f7.desktop In the sample above, you might want to change the reference to hadjaha-00adce02f7.desktop to another desktop entry file that is available globally. When you generate a panel configuration with the --dump option, the positions of the panel objects are absolute positions. You might want to change the positions of panel objects from absolute positions to relative positions. The object at the extreme left of a panel has a position value of 0. The next object has a position value of 1, and so on. If you want object positions to be relative to the right side of the panel, set the value of the right_stick key to true. 4. Use the --load option with the gconftool-2 command line tool to set the values of the default configuration source to the values in the my-panel-setup.entries file. For example, the following command sets the values of the keys in the default configuration source to the values of the corresponding keys in my-panel-setup.entries: gconftool-2 --direct \ --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults \ --load my-panel-setup.entries Found at http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/2.26/system-admin-guid e.html#gconf-0 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Lance Jahnig Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:30 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] (no subject) > That works for the one user, I am trying to setup the desktop for all > new users to have a certain firefox setting and no evolution icon. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Mel Chua > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:55 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] (no subject) > >> latest version. One thing we are trying to do is change the firefox > icon >> on the launcher and remove the evolution icon from the launcher for > all >> users and we have not been able to figure that out of find > documentation >> on how to. We are using Gnome as the desktop managers. > > This is how it works for GNOME on my Fedora install, so hopefully it'll > work for you: > > Remove the Evolution icon: > * right-click on the icon in the taskbar > * select "remove from panel" > > Change the Firefox icon: > * right-click on the icon in the taskbar > * click "properties" > * click the icon (in the top left corner) > * choose a new icon > > --Mel The settings are in: /usr/share/applications edit redhat-web.desktop (icon settings toward the bottom of the file) - this may be reset when updates are applied move gnome-nautilus.desktop out of this folder - this may be put back when updates are applied _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dvanassche at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 19:42:58 2009 From: dvanassche at gmail.com (David Van Assche) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:42:58 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] linux for education portal Message-ID: <8cc423ef0906181242r5f8170e7q48cb8f8d2bd52880@mail.gmail.com> Hi there, We've just launched a pretty decent start for a linux for education portal that should contain hundreds (we already have about 50) totally creative commons or similar free license courses that can be used online directly (guest access to all courses) or downloaded to export into one's own e-learning platform (backups are moodle based.) The site contains howtos, forums, wikipedias and chatrooms, as well as the traditional Moodle courses on a wide array of subjects across the board. It is totally free, and will remain that way both in terms of beer and ideology. We encourage people to take part in it. It is really not too hard to take an existing howto or wiki entry or something and turn it into an interactive course. There are plenty of examples, and there are also courses on Moodle itself and why one should use it. Currently it may seem quite opensuse-centric, but we are working hard to make it as generic to linux as possible as we have noticed that there isn't really such a comprehensive resource out there on this subject matter. We appreciate all help, so please drop us a line if you would like to get involved in any way at all. peace, David (nubae) Van Assche From dvanassche at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 19:44:04 2009 From: dvanassche at gmail.com (David Van Assche) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:44:04 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: linux for education portal In-Reply-To: <8cc423ef0906181242r5f8170e7q48cb8f8d2bd52880@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cc423ef0906181242r5f8170e7q48cb8f8d2bd52880@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cc423ef0906181244i168545fexb210fa233916b604@mail.gmail.com> And I forgot the actual address of the site of course: www.linux-for-education.org On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:42 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > Hi there, > ? We've just launched a pretty decent start for a linux for education > portal that should contain hundreds (we already have about 50) totally > creative commons or similar free license courses that can be used > online directly (guest access to all courses) or downloaded to export > into one's own e-learning platform (backups are moodle based.) The > site contains howtos, forums, wikipedias and chatrooms, as well as the > traditional Moodle courses on a wide array of subjects across the > board. It is totally free, and will remain that way both in terms of > beer and ideology. We encourage people to take part in it. It is > really not too hard to take an existing howto or wiki entry or > something and turn it into an interactive course. There are plenty of > examples, and there are also courses on Moodle itself and why one > should use it. Currently it may seem quite opensuse-centric, but we > are working hard to make it as generic to linux as possible as we have > noticed that there isn't really such a comprehensive resource out > there on this subject matter. We appreciate all help, so please drop > us a line if you would like to get involved in any way at all. > > peace, > David (nubae) Van Assche > From k12ltsp at rwcinc.net Sun Jun 21 14:36:20 2009 From: k12ltsp at rwcinc.net (Patrick Fleming) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:36:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom kernel for thin clients Message-ID: <4A3E4564.5020201@rwcinc.net> Hi all, My office got a new Dell Optiplex 360(?) and I haven't been able to get it to boot yet. At first it behaved liked the year old Dell Optiplex requiring the NIC=tg3 entries in lts.conf and the pxelinux.cfg/00-01.... files. Since it still was failing even with the NIC driver lines I thought that I could just compile a new kernel - I think I grabbed it from kernel.org (maybe that's my mistake). I compiled the kernel and pointed this machine to the new kernel in /tftpboot/. I then had to unpack the initramfs and rename the /lib/modules// directory and copy the modules for the new kernel into the directory structure. It all works until I get a kernel panic about not being able to mount root. The errors on the screen are that it tried ext2 cramfs iso9660. Any idea what I'm missing? I have nfs modules included but there is no mention of trying to use nfs to mount root. Is there an easier way to make the initrd for the clients? This machine started as K12LTSP-6.0.0 install and still has some Fedora rpms installed although the system now is primarily CentOS 5.3. (The Fedora rpms are at higher release versions than the equivalent CentOS rpms, I haven't had the chance to run oldpackage on all my packages and if it aint broke I don't try to break it) I spent four and a half hours fighting this yesterday - I'm further than I was but even more stuck at the moment. Thanks in advance (and happy Father's Day to all the fathers on the list) Patrick From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Jun 21 14:51:57 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:51:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom kernel for thin clients Message-ID: <1245595917.660.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Patrick, Since you have done the kernel recompile for TC use,have you had ANY TC's that will boot? I mean do you have a second TC that you can test besides the DELL Opti? Are you sure nfs is in fact running on your server with all the new stuff in place? 1. Do an 'service nfs status'. You should see a return of something very close to the following: rpc.mountd (pid 3595) is running... nfsd (pid 3592 3591 3590 3589 3588 3585 3584 3583) is running... rpc.rquotad (pid 3566) is running... 2. Next do an 'nmap locahost'. see if you have 2049/tcp listening to verify. Recompiling the kernel from scratch can be a real time eater, trying to figure out the behind the scene caveats. But you are giving it the ol college try it sounds like. Let us know your progress. Take Care, Barry Cisna From k12ltsp at rwcinc.net Sun Jun 21 16:03:59 2009 From: k12ltsp at rwcinc.net (Patrick Fleming) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:03:59 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [K12OSN] Custom kernel for thin clients] Message-ID: <4A3E59EF.3020804@rwcinc.net> (Resent with the "right" return address) Hi Barry, This is a custom kernel for this TC only - the others use the existing kernel. All other machines still boot properly. I have actually spent quite some time on this before hitting the list. I added the NIC=tg3 line to the pxelinux.cfg/01-00... machine specific file, added: MODULE_01 = tg3 to the MAC specific entry in lts.conf I downloaded the driver from Broadcom's website and it would still fail (somewhere around the lts.conf stage) so decided to compile the driver into the kernel. pxelinux.cfg/01-00... looks like this: prompt 0 label linux kernel vmlinuz-2.6.29.4 append root=/dev/ram0 rw initrd=initramfs-2.6.29.4-NAFS.gz NIC=tg3 Does that look like I need support for ramfs of some kind? Barry R Cisna wrote: > Patrick, > > Since you have done the kernel recompile for TC use,have you had ANY > TC's that will boot? I mean do you have a second TC that you can test > besides the DELL Opti? Are you sure nfs is in fact running on your > server with all the new stuff in place? > 1. Do an 'service nfs status'. > You should see a return of something very close to the following: > rpc.mountd (pid 3595) is running... > nfsd (pid 3592 3591 3590 3589 3588 3585 3584 3583) is running... > rpc.rquotad (pid 3566) is running... > 2. Next do an 'nmap locahost'. > see if you have 2049/tcp listening to verify. > Recompiling the kernel from scratch can be a real time eater, trying to > figure out the behind the scene caveats. But you are giving it the ol > college try it sounds like. > Let us know your progress. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Jun 21 20:39:08 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:39:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom kernel for thin clients Message-ID: <1245616748.19638.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Patrick, OK. Do you see as this TC is booting it is in fact "trying" to load the kernel specific initrd you have compiled for this machine? try doing the following and post back the output here. as root on the server ' tail -f /var/log/messages ' boot this TC and copy/paste the output from this to the list here. It may show what the TC is choking on. Also are you seeing in the first few lines as the TC boots the correct ip address that you have assigned this TC to, via lts.conf? ,,,me ipaddress 192.168.0.# .... ,,,and lastly does this optiplex have a setting in the bios to change for pxe booting from int13 to int19?,,try switching this back and forth. Barry From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Jun 21 22:35:20 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:35:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom kernel for thin clients Message-ID: <1245623720.1415.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Patrick, Just noticed in your naming your new kernel. In the pxe world you have to convert the pxelinux.cfg/# of your newly complied kernel to hex. Not 00-01 like you have it .I am fairly certain unless things have changed recently in pxe that that name 00-01 will not work? So, if your Optiplex TC is set to say 192.168.0.1 in your dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf file you need to change the file name to C0A80001. With this set like this you should not even need an entry in your lts.conf file of 'nic = tg3'.The nic=tg3 should be appended to the end of your actual C0A8001 file. You can determine what the hex 'name' should be for your particular TC's ip address by doing the following: gethostip 192.168.0.1 ,,should return C0A8001 Knowing that tg3 is compiled into the stock k12ltsp tree kernel why don't you make a copy of it,and simply append nic=tg3 to the end of it and rename this one C0A80001 ( if the optiplex is .1). Hope this makes sense. Barry. From k12ltsp at rwcinc.net Mon Jun 22 01:23:41 2009 From: k12ltsp at rwcinc.net (Patrick Fleming) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:23:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom kernel for thin clients In-Reply-To: <1245623720.1415.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1245623720.1415.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A3EDD1D.5000207@rwcinc.net> Hi Barry, Replies to two emails inline: Barry R Cisna wrote: > Patrick, > > Just noticed in your naming your new kernel. In the pxe world you have > to convert the pxelinux.cfg/# of your newly complied kernel to hex. Not > 00-01 like you have it .I am fairly certain unless things have changed > recently in pxe that that name 00-01 will not work? This is actually based upon the MAC of the TC. It does work for me and it does load the file. >So, if your Optiplex > TC is set to say 192.168.0.1 in your dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf file you need to > change the file name to C0A80001. With this set like this you should not > even need an entry in your lts.conf file of 'nic = tg3'.The nic=tg3 > should be appended to the end of your actual C0A8001 file. Without NIC = tg3 in the MAC specific file it fails to recognize the NIC after the PXE request. With it in the MAC file it boots further then fails with a similar NIC error. The Optiplex we purchased last year needed both of these steps to boot. This one seems to need more steps :( > > You can determine what the hex 'name' should be for your particular TC's > ip address by doing the following: > gethostip 192.168.0.1 > ,,should return C0A8001 > > Knowing that tg3 is compiled into the stock k12ltsp tree kernel why > don't you make a copy of it,and simply append nic=tg3 to the end of it > and rename this one C0A80001 ( if the optiplex is .1). > Hope this makes sense. I hadn't tried this yet, will give it a shot tomorrow back at the office. > > Barry. > OK. Do you see as this TC is booting it is in fact "trying" to load the Yes, I can see it load the initrd file. It's failing past this point. > kernel specific initrd you have compiled for this machine? try doing the > following and post back the output here. > as root on the server ' tail -f /var/log/messages ' > boot this TC and copy/paste the output from this to the list here. Jun 20 15:43:13 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:23:ae:88:ad:9e via eth0 Jun 20 15:43:13 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.1.8 to 00:23:ae:88:ad:9e via eth0 Jun 20 15:43:17 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.8 (192.168.1.254) from 00:23:ae:88:ad:9e via eth0 Jun 20 15:43:17 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.1.8 to 00:23:ae:88:ad:9e via eth0 Jun 20 15:43:17 server xinetd[2289]: START: tftp pid=7370 from=192.168.1.8 Jun 20 15:43:17 server in.tftpd[7371]: tftp: client does not accept options And that's it. On a TC that boots all the way up I get- note the mountd request toward the end (then I see entries for Busybox): Jun 19 09:57:39 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:1e:c9:36:5d:f5 via eth0 Jun 19 09:57:39 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.1.6 to 00:1e:c9:36:5d:f5 via eth0 Jun 19 09:57:43 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.6 (192.168.1.254) from 0 0:1e:c9:36:5d:f5 via eth0 Jun 19 09:57:43 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.1.6 to 00:1e:c9:36:5d:f5 via et h0 Jun 19 09:57:43 server in.tftpd[12322]: tftp: client does not accept options Jun 19 09:57:53 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:1e:c9:36:5d:f5 via eth0 Jun 19 09:57:53 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.1.6 to 00:1e:c9:36:5d:f5 via eth0 Jun 19 09:57:53 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.6 (192.168.1.254) from 0 0:1e:c9:36:5d:f5 via eth0 Jun 19 09:57:53 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.1.6 to 00:1e:c9:36:5d:f5 via et h0 Jun 19 09:57:53 server mountd[2384]: authenticated mount request from ws6.ltsp:9 86 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) It > may show what the TC is choking on. > Also are you seeing in the first few lines as the TC boots the correct > ip address that you have assigned this TC to, via lts.conf? > ,,,me ipaddress 192.168.0.# .... > ,,,and lastly does this optiplex have a setting in the bios to change > for pxe booting from int13 to int19?,,try switching this back and forth. I will look for these settings in the morning. Thanks for all the advice so far. Patrick From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Jun 22 15:49:02 2009 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:49:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom kernel for thin clients Message-ID: <1245685742.26331.5.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Patrick, try doing the ip address to hex # naming of a stock( a copy of) initrd and append the,, NIC=tg3 to the end of the append line here then do the 'tail -f /var/log/messages' on the server. see if you get any different message thrown by this tc. the nic = tg3 in the lts.conf file should not hurt anything.. there are several variants of the tigon chip,which may be wonking out on this new Optiplex... let us know. Barry From k12ltsp at rwcinc.net Mon Jun 22 23:29:44 2009 From: k12ltsp at rwcinc.net (Patrick Fleming) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:29:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom kernel for thin clients In-Reply-To: <1245685742.26331.5.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1245685742.26331.5.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <4A4013E8.1060306@rwcinc.net> Barry, The NIC seems to be working with my custom kernel and I changed the name of the file to C0A80108 (which by the way is kinda cool - I just created the MAC file based upon what scrolled across my screen) and I get to the same point. Some google searching leads me to believe that I can't just copy stuff into the initrd and repack it. There is an email written by Warren on the devel list that indicates a script to create a "proper" initrd for thin clients. It seems that I'm almoooost there. The only thing I'm changing is the /lib/modules/ directory, at least that's all I believe that I am changing. I'm no expert but I do have a little familiarity with compiling kernels and using mkinitrd and even packing up and initrd directory structure using cpio and gzip - which is why this is bugging me so much. BTW, I did try the pxe kernel and initrd from the EL5 dvd images/pxeboot directory and got to the blue and red install screen so I think that I'm just stuck on initrd not mounting and not trying to mount NFS. Patrick Barry Cisna wrote: > Patrick, > > try doing the ip address to hex # naming of a stock( a copy of) initrd > and append the,, > NIC=tg3 to the end of the append line here > then do the 'tail -f /var/log/messages' on the server. > see if you get any different message thrown by this tc. > the nic = tg3 in the lts.conf file should not hurt anything.. > there are several variants of the tigon chip,which may be wonking out on > this new Optiplex... > let us know. > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From HBurroughs at hhprep.org Tue Jun 23 18:22:35 2009 From: HBurroughs at hhprep.org (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:22:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: PXELINUX & vesamenu.c32 Message-ID: <3437EBC2F7B463439E7CD8796349DCF2987394@enterprise.hhp.hhprep.org> I've been working on a fancy PXE boot menu using vesamenu.c32. Things seem to be working except when you press ENTER on a menu entry, the vesamenu does not go away until some type of graphics refresh happens (aka X starting). This is fine except for my memtest86 image which is text only and then you can't see it because vesamenu is still displaying in front (but not usable). Basically, I can't get vesamenu.c32 to unload graphically when you select an option to boot. Henry Burroughs Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It sounds like there needs to be a repaint or redraw of the screen. Not sure how to do that though. I wonder how DRBL does it. Might be worthwhile to have a look at their scripts. > > Henry Burroughs > > Hilton Head Preparatory School > > www.hhprep.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada From stegil at hotmail.com Wed Jun 24 11:23:24 2009 From: stegil at hotmail.com (SteveG) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:23:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: PXELINUX & vesamenu.c32 In-Reply-To: <3437EBC2F7B463439E7CD8796349DCF2987394@enterprise.hhp.hhprep.org> References: <3437EBC2F7B463439E7CD8796349DCF2987394@enterprise.hhp.hhprep.org> Message-ID: <4A420CAC.8020303@hotmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HBurroughs at hhprep.org Wed Jun 24 16:42:17 2009 From: HBurroughs at hhprep.org (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:42:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXELINUX & vesamenu.c32 SOLVED! Message-ID: <3437EBC2F7B463439E7CD8796349DCF298739B@enterprise.hhp.hhprep.org> After trying to piece together vesamenu.c32 and pxelinux.0 from different distros, etc, I just tried to recompile the most recent syslinux release and it worked! My nice vesamenu comes up and then goes away when it boots a menu option. I'm going to work on putting a background image in there as well. This way I can default k12linux, boot windows locally if installed, boot memtest, or under and admin menu boot RIP Linux which gives me access to gparted, firefox, cdburner software (I tested this from it yesterday!), and even a dvd player. I now know how the whole PXE deal works (the client grabs the pxelinux.0 file, which is an executable program that runs the whole pxelinux.cfg ,etc show). Once I got all those files in sync release wise, they worked! Once I move to k12linux, I'll try to post some details and files on how to do this. Looks cool. Thanks for the help! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From warren at togami.com Wed Jun 24 18:47:22 2009 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:47:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 10/11 performance fix Message-ID: <4A4274BA.1040300@togami.com> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17868 Apparently libxcb accidentally turned on "Nagle's algorithm" with TCP transmissions, which is especially bad for real-time stuff like X over the network. This causes a performance penalty for all X applications over the network, although some apps are more effected than others. http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/libxcb/1.1.91/7.fc10/ Fedora 10 binaries http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/libxcb/1.2/4.fc11/ Fedora 11 binaries Please upgrade libxcb on your K12Linux Fedora 10 or Fedora 11 server and client chroots. We need confirmation that: 1) This doesn't cause any regressions. 2) This actually does help performance (on what applications?) Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From steven at sjdsoft.hk Thu Jun 25 04:24:44 2009 From: steven at sjdsoft.hk (Steven James Drinnan) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:24:44 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can a user select his own language? Message-ID: <1245903884.22045.1.camel@laptop.myhome> Hi I see the instructions that change the whole system to another language. What I what to know is can each user change their language?. If so how? Regards Steven From wtogami at redhat.com Thu Jun 25 05:11:23 2009 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:11:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can a user select his own language? In-Reply-To: <1245903884.22045.1.camel@laptop.myhome> References: <1245903884.22045.1.camel@laptop.myhome> Message-ID: <4A4306FB.4030109@redhat.com> On 06/25/2009 12:24 AM, Steven James Drinnan wrote: > Hi > > I see the instructions that change the whole system to another language. > What I what to know is can each user change their language?. If so how? > > Regards > > Steven You didn't specify what software you are using. Warren From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Jun 27 13:00:41 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:00:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting guru's, quotas challenge Message-ID: <1246107641.11296.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello All, Can someone think of a script that can be placed into the default home folders for all users that would set their /home folder quota? In other words so I do not have to manually enter each user's disk quota on the file server. Yes, I Am lazy! I may be missing something but the only way the group quota can be enforced is for the cumulative members in a given group. It seems this should be able to be more granular ,but I haven't figured it out if this is possible? Trying to think of some way to make this 'scriptable' so the process is less labor intensive Yeah! and less error prone. (that would be Moui),,:) Take Care, Barry Cisna From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 00:40:55 2009 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:40:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS desktop apps recommended for teaching middle school Message-ID: <4b5781040906291740n49f28e7fqefd21286e23a36aa@mail.gmail.com> hi, I am part of an effort to increase the use of FOSS in a local public middle school. We have an LDAP lab running Xubuntu across 30 client machines. We also have a few stand alone machines running various flavors of Linux, but mostly Xubuntu. Could someone please recommend good teaching apps for English language arts classes; for 8th grade biology; and for 7th and 8th grade social studies? It would be primo if these apps are known to conform to California educational requirements. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From otrcomm at isp-systems.net Tue Jun 30 01:40:53 2009 From: otrcomm at isp-systems.net (murrah boswell) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:40:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Chrooted Environment Misunderstanding Message-ID: <4A496D25.3020806@isp-systems.net> Hello All, I know everyone is busy and excited about Fedora 11 K12Linux, but I am attached to the K12LTSP system and have a couple of questions. I know these are questions out of antiquity for some people who have been with K12LTSP from the beginning, but please humor me here. I must have a misunderstanding about the /opt/ltsp/i386 chrooted environment apparently. From a client terminal, when I right click on the desktop and select to Create Launcher, Browse for Command and select File System, why is it that the client terminal has full visibility of the server file system and not just the chrooted environment? Same is true of a Terminal window; I have total visibility of the server file system. Is there a reason why the K12LTSP isn't truly a chrooted environment? Along the same questioning, how do I install an application, such as linphone, in the chrooted environment and force the client to use "local" instantiation of linphone and not allow them to even see the server based instantiation of linphone? Regards, Murrah Boswell From steven at sjdsoft.hk Tue Jun 30 01:58:45 2009 From: steven at sjdsoft.hk (Steven James Drinnan) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:58:45 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS desktop apps recommended for teaching middle school In-Reply-To: <4b5781040906291740n49f28e7fqefd21286e23a36aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b5781040906291740n49f28e7fqefd21286e23a36aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1246327126.3080.4.camel@laptop.myhome> KDE has a range of educational apps that might do the trick. But come to think of it none to do with biology. On another note, are you interested in school management software. I am in the process of developing a school management database and I am looking for testers. Completely Open Source. I.E usability and functionality. If you are interested drop me a line. Steven Drinnan On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 17:40 -0700, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > hi, > > I am part of an effort to increase the use of FOSS in a local public > middle school. We have an LDAP lab running Xubuntu across 30 client > machines. We also have a few stand alone machines running various > flavors of Linux, but mostly Xubuntu. > > Could someone please recommend good teaching apps for English language > arts classes; for 8th grade biology; and for 7th and 8th grade social > studies? It would be primo if these apps are known to conform to > California educational requirements. > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 02:17:56 2009 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:17:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS desktop apps recommended for teaching middle school In-Reply-To: <1246327126.3080.4.camel@laptop.myhome> References: <4b5781040906291740n49f28e7fqefd21286e23a36aa@mail.gmail.com> <1246327126.3080.4.camel@laptop.myhome> Message-ID: <4b5781040906291917n1af9aacaxe16a0cfa669cb218@mail.gmail.com> hi, On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Steven James Drinnan wrote: > > On another note, are you interested in school management software. No, sadly, not for now. For now, all those functions are being performed on Microsoft Windows. It is our goal to move this school entirely to FOSS, but we are volunteers, and progress at this school moves very slowly. We have a Xubuntu lab and several standalone FOSS boxes, but that is it. > I am in the process of developing a school management database and I am > looking for testers. Yeah, no, sorry. I will be interested in following the progress of this initiative, but I am not going to be able to help you with testing at this juncture. :-/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it Tue Jun 30 06:43:22 2009 From: ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it (ollenotna2000) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:43:22 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS desktop apps recommended for teaching middle school In-Reply-To: <1246327126.3080.4.camel@laptop.myhome> References: <4b5781040906291740n49f28e7fqefd21286e23a36aa@mail.gmail.com> <1246327126.3080.4.camel@laptop.myhome> Message-ID: <4A49B40A.3020102@yahoo.it> Steven James Drinnan ha scritto: > On another note, are you interested in school management software. > I am in the process of developing a school management database and I am > looking for testers. Completely Open Source. I.E usability and > functionality. > > If you are interested drop me a line. > > Steven Drinnan > > Hi Steve, My headmaster is thinking about shifting part of the office-burden (teacher's documentation, requests, form-filling) and pupils end-term evaluation to the web. I told her the obvious solution - in terms of manageability and direct control - should be a mysql-php webapp. This summer we are thinking about it. If this is what you are thinking about, here I am. Antonello Facchetti Italy From simonft at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 13:14:49 2009 From: simonft at gmail.com (Simon Fondrie-Teitler) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:14:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FOSS desktop apps recommended for teaching middle school In-Reply-To: <4A49B40A.3020102@yahoo.it> References: <4b5781040906291740n49f28e7fqefd21286e23a36aa@mail.gmail.com> <1246327126.3080.4.camel@laptop.myhome> <4A49B40A.3020102@yahoo.it> Message-ID: I would be interested in testing this out. I dont know how soon, however I have a school setting where it might be useful. -------------------------------------------------- Simon Fondrie-Teitler -------------------------------------------------- On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:43 AM, ollenotna2000 wrote: > Steven James Drinnan ha scritto: > >> On another note, are you interested in school management software. I am in >> the process of developing a school management database and I am >> looking for testers. Completely Open Source. I.E usability and >> functionality. >> If you are interested drop me a line. >> >> Steven Drinnan >> >> > Hi Steve, > > My headmaster is thinking about shifting part of the office-burden > (teacher's documentation, requests, form-filling) and pupils end-term > evaluation to the web. > I told her the obvious solution - in terms of manageability and direct > control - should be a mysql-php webapp. > This summer we are thinking about it. > If this is what you are thinking about, here I am. > > Antonello Facchetti > Italy > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toddobryan at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 14:42:13 2009 From: toddobryan at gmail.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:42:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Chrooted Environment Misunderstanding In-Reply-To: <4A496D25.3020806@isp-systems.net> References: <4A496D25.3020806@isp-systems.net> Message-ID: <904774730906300742l176cd129x5cb88cfd984c93e1@mail.gmail.com> The system in the chroot environment is very basic--it's just enough stuff to get the terminal up and running. Once the terminal is running a basic OS, it connects to the server and acts as a remote X session. When you log in on the terminal, you're logging onto the server, not the chroot environment that's running on the terminal. The idea is that a terminal that can only run basic stuff gets the full power of a much nicer server, because everything really runs on the server. The terminal is just a way of viewing the server processes. There is a way to get to the chroot environment that's running on the terminal--if I remember correctly, Ctrl-Alt-F1 will display a console that really is running on the terminal. But you'd only use that to debug problems, not as a normal operating mode. Todd On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:40 PM, murrah boswell wrote: > Hello All, > > I know everyone is busy and excited about Fedora 11 K12Linux, but I am > attached to the K12LTSP system and have a couple of questions. I know these > are questions out of antiquity for some people who have been with K12LTSP > from the beginning, but please humor me here. > > I must have a misunderstanding about the /opt/ltsp/i386 chrooted environment > apparently. From a client terminal, when I right click on the desktop and > select to Create Launcher, Browse for Command and select File System, why is > it that the client terminal has full visibility of the server file system > and not just the chrooted environment? Same is true of a Terminal window; I > have total visibility of the server file system. > > Is there a reason why the K12LTSP isn't truly a chrooted environment? > > Along the same questioning, how do I install an application, such as > linphone, in the chrooted environment and force the client to use "local" > instantiation of linphone and not allow them to even see the server based > instantiation of linphone? > > > Regards, > Murrah Boswell > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see >