From mip1983 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 1 13:04:00 2009 From: mip1983 at yahoo.com (mir ip) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 06:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Hi ltsp-build-client Message-ID: <260266.89629.qm@web36303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, So i am installing Ltsp on existing Fedora 10. I am following the install guide from k12linux wiki. So everything just goes fine but i have several questions. is step3 compulsory? And how long does it take? to complete step9? Because almost 6 hours my Fedora is trying to build ltsp client. Any ideas? Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 13:29:32 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:29:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS5 + Flash + Sound In-Reply-To: <1254186724.2334.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1254186724.2334.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Sorry for the delay ... other issues came up which made sound seem like a luxury. Here is the output: Installed plugins Find more information about browser plugins at mozilla.org < https://pfs.mozilla.org/plugins/>. Help for installing plugins is available from plugindoc.mozdev.org < http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DivX Browser Plug-In File name: nswrapper_64_64.gecko-mediaplayer-dvx.so Gecko Media Player 0.9.8 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled video/divx DivX Media Format divx Yes video/vnd.divx DivX Media Format divx Yes QuickTime Plug-in 7.4.5 File name: nswrapper_64_64.gecko-mediaplayer-qt.so Gecko Media Player 0.9.8 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled video/quicktime Quicktime mov Yes video/x-quicktime Quicktime mov Yes image/x-quicktime Quicktime mov Yes video/quicktime Quicktime mp4 Yes video/quicktime Quicktime - Session Description Protocol sdp Yes application/x-quicktimeplayer Quicktime mov Yes RealPlayer 9 File name: nswrapper_64_64.gecko-mediaplayer-rm.so Gecko Media Player 0.9.8 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled audio/x-pn-realaudio RealAudio ram,rm Yes application/vnd.rn-realmedia RealMedia rm Yes application/vnd.rn-realaudio RealAudio ra,ram Yes video/vnd.rn-realvideo RealVideo rv Yes audio/x-realaudio RealAudio ra Yes audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin RealAudio rpm Yes application/smil SMIL smil Yes Windows Media Player Plug-in File name: nswrapper_64_64.gecko-mediaplayer-wmp.so Gecko Media Player 0.9.8 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/asx Media Files * Yes video/x-ms-asf-plugin Media Files * Yes video/x-msvideo AVI avi,* Yes video/msvideo AVI avi,* Yes application/x-mplayer2 Media Files * Yes application/x-ms-wmv Microsoft WMV video wmv,* Yes video/x-ms-asf Media Files asf,asx,* Yes 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Audio File au,snd Yes audio/x-basic Basic Audio File au,snd Yes audio/midi MIDI Audio mid,midi,kar Yes audio/x-scpls Shoutcast Playlist pls Yes Shockwave Flash File name: nswrapper_64_64.libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32 MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player spl Yes libnpjp2.so File name: libnpjp2.so MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/x-java-vm Java Yes application/x-java-applet Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.2 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.3 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.4 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.5 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.6 Java Yes application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.6.0_12 Java Yes application/x-java-bean Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.2 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.3 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.3.1 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.4 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.1 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.2 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.5 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.6 Java Yes application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.6.0_12 Java Yes NPAPI Plugins Wrapper 0.9.91.5 File name: npwrapper.so nspluginwrapper is a cross-platform NPAPI plugin viewer, in particular for linux/i386 plugins. This is *beta* software available under the terms of the GNU General Public License. MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled unknown/mime-type Do not open none Yes On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Barry Cisna wrote: > Dave, > > Could you do a simple copy/paste of results when you type in the address > bar of your running Firefox of: > > about:plugins > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Fri Oct 2 17:05:43 2009 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:05:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Failed Message-ID: <43080f460910021005g44f4d20at26803cb7404e04d9@mail.gmail.com> I came in this morning and one of my k12Linux servers is giving this error log when trying to start dhcpd: Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server 4.0.0 Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Copyright 2004-2007 Internet Systems Consortium. Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: All rights reserved. Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/ Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Not searching LDAP since ldap-server, ldap-port and ldap-base-dn were not specified in the config file Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Wrote 0 leases to leases file. Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth1 (172.31.100.254). Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth1. If this is not what Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: you want, please write a subnet declaration Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: to which interface eth1 is attached. ** Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth0 (10.0.4.8). Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth0. If this is not what Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: you want, please write a subnet declaration Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: to which interface eth0 is attached. ** Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: This version of ISC DHCP is based on the release available Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: on ftp.isc.org. Features have been added and other changes Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: have been made to the base software release in order to make Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: it work better with this distribution. Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Please report for this software via the Red Hat Bugzilla site: Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: http://bugzilla.redhat.com Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: Oct 2 10:02:32 library dhcpd: exiting. The dhcpd.conf file looks good... I've made no changes. Mel Wade "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lilly Tomlin http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Oct 2 18:12:30 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:12:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS5 + Flash + Sound Message-ID: <35826.216.24.126.66.1254507150.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> David, I do not have access to the one 64bit server we have here. Is the nswrapper flash player( listed in your about:plugins) a spin off of some sort? I do not remember if our 64bit is the nswrapper thingie? In other words the 32bit does not have the nswrapper listed in the file name. This may be worth a try just to make sure you have all your ducks in a row. Run commands as root: mkdir /tmp/.esd touch /tmp/.esd/socket Go to: http://www.123greetings.com And try and play a couple of the flash cards. This is a starting point anyway. Let us know your progress. Take Care, Barry From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Oct 2 18:21:28 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:21:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Failed Message-ID: <37669.216.24.126.66.1254507688.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Mel, Do you have static IP's on both eth0 & eth1? If not, do static IP's on both nics then try and start dhcp. as root, service dhcpd start See what you get. Take Care, Barry Cisna From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 19:02:52 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:02:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS5 + Flash + Sound In-Reply-To: <35826.216.24.126.66.1254507150.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <35826.216.24.126.66.1254507150.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: First, although I mentioned using CentOS, just to be certain, this is Ltsp4.2 which is not supported .. but sound does work well once I get the pieces sorted out again. so ... following is going to be a bit confused. > I do not have access to the one 64bit server we have here. Is the > nswrapper flash player( listed in your about:plugins) a spin off of some > sort? I do not remember if our 64bit is the nswrapper thingie? > In other words the 32bit does not have the nswrapper listed in the file > name. > > Actually, it seems there are two versions of nsplugginwrapper. One that wraps 32bit for x86_64 and another that says it wraps x86_64 bit plugins for x86_64 (strange, but that is also what it seems to do). In my /usr/lib64/mozilla directory, I have plugins and plugins-wrapped. I have /usr/lib/firefox64/firefox-3.0.14 since that is the version I'm using but all plugins go in the mozilla directory. All the items in plugins are x86_64 versions, but they get wrapped anyway and then show up in the plugins-wrapped directory. If I uninstall nsplugginwrapper, FF3.0.14 (x86_64) doesn't show any plugins at all whereas with nsplugginwrapper installed, they are shown. Confused? I know I am at the moment. What I wanted was to wrap the 32bit v9 version of Flash (where I know sound used to work and Flash 10 x86_64 doesn't seem to work with sound for me). So, since using the x86_64 seems to be a bit problematic, I am going to try reverting back to just downloading the precompiled 32bit version, install it in /opt, create symlinks from /usr/bin/firefox to it and go from there at the moment. I was hoping to move to just x86_64 on my system but given the way things have gone, it may be time to try something else. Not sure if I will try this today though since I leave for a week and making a change late on a Friday afternoon just before vacation seems to be begging for problems on Monday. FF3 is stable as long as teachers don't visit aol.com (which takes forever to load for them). Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > This may be worth a try just to make sure you have all your ducks in a row. > Run commands as root: > > mkdir /tmp/.esd > touch /tmp/.esd/socket > > Go to: http://www.123greetings.com > > And try and play a couple of the flash cards. > This is a starting point anyway. > Let us know your progress. > > Take Care, > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Fri Oct 2 21:33:09 2009 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:33:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: DHCP Failed In-Reply-To: <37669.216.24.126.66.1254507688.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <37669.216.24.126.66.1254507688.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <43080f460910021433i18744cd3xec90f5ffccbfa572@mail.gmail.com> I kept digging and found we had a network card that failed. On 10/2/09, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Mel, > > Do you have static IP's on both eth0 & eth1? > If not, do static IP's on both nics then try and start dhcp. > as root, > service dhcpd start > > See what you get. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Sent from my mobile device Mel Wade "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lilly Tomlin http://www.melwade.com From william at fragakis.com Sat Oct 3 20:22:38 2009 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:22:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: DHCP Failed In-Reply-To: <20091003160035.CEFF861AFAD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20091003160035.CEFF861AFAD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1254601358.24662.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> iirc, one might also get this if dhcpd tries to start at boot before the nics are initialized. William On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:33:09 -0700 > From: Mel Wade > Subject: [K12OSN] Re: DHCP Failed > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > <43080f460910021433i18744cd3xec90f5ffccbfa572 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I kept digging and found we had a network card that failed. > > On 10/2/09, Barry R Cisna wrote: > > Mel, > > > > Do you have static IP's on both eth0 & eth1? > > If not, do static IP's on both nics then try and start dhcp. > > as root, > > service dhcpd start > > > > See what you get. > > > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From burke at thealmquists.net Sun Oct 4 18:37:57 2009 From: burke at thealmquists.net (Almquist Burke) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:37:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hi ltsp-build-client In-Reply-To: <260266.89629.qm@web36303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <260266.89629.qm@web36303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7C2F01C2-4554-471D-9EB3-C94487FAE8AF@thealmquists.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 1, 2009, at 8:04 AM, mir ip wrote: > Hi, > So i am installing Ltsp on existing Fedora 10. I am following the > install guide from k12linux wiki. So everything just goes fine but > i have several questions. > > is step3 compulsory? Nope, The VMclient is something you can use for testing. If you have real clients, you don't have to intstall this. > And how long does it take to complete step9? Because almost 6 > hours my Fedora is trying to build ltsp client. > Any ideas? This can take a while depending on the speed of your internet connection. > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkrI64YACgkQxWV7OPa/g5EX2wCcDxL9o1Z9+idLv1CuYGWxeUS9 +G0AoIS8fTRE5nj1vcxr//NoXCeh+nRF =q1wV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steven at sjdsoft.hk Mon Oct 5 03:04:56 2009 From: steven at sjdsoft.hk (Steven James Drinnan) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:04:56 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS5 + Flash + Sound In-Reply-To: References: <35826.216.24.126.66.1254507150.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <1254711897.3824.8.camel@mylaptop.myhome> If you are using the wrapper, does your system use pulse sound server? (Not sure if centos 5 uses pulse) I just saw an article that said that flash uses alsa so you may need the alsa-pulse component installed. steven On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 15:02 -0400, David Hopkins wrote: > First, although I mentioned using CentOS, just to be certain, this is > Ltsp4.2 which is not supported .. but sound does work well once I get > the pieces sorted out again. > > so ... following is going to be a bit confused. > > I do not have access to the one 64bit server we have here. Is > the > nswrapper flash player( listed in your about:plugins) a spin > off of some > sort? I do not remember if our 64bit is the nswrapper thingie? > In other words the 32bit does not have the nswrapper listed in > the file name. > > > Actually, it seems there are two versions of nsplugginwrapper. One > that wraps 32bit for x86_64 and another that says it wraps x86_64 bit > plugins for x86_64 (strange, but that is also what it seems to do). > > In my /usr/lib64/mozilla directory, I have plugins and > plugins-wrapped. I have /usr/lib/firefox64/firefox-3.0.14 since that > is the version I'm using but all plugins go in the mozilla directory. > All the items in plugins are x86_64 versions, but they get wrapped > anyway and then show up in the plugins-wrapped directory. If I > uninstall nsplugginwrapper, FF3.0.14 (x86_64) doesn't show any plugins > at all whereas with nsplugginwrapper installed, they are shown. > > Confused? I know I am at the moment. > > What I wanted was to wrap the 32bit v9 version of Flash (where I know > sound used to work and Flash 10 x86_64 doesn't seem to work with > sound for me). > > So, since using the x86_64 seems to be a bit problematic, I am going > to try reverting back to just downloading the precompiled 32bit > version, install it in /opt, create symlinks from /usr/bin/firefox to > it and go from there at the moment. I was hoping to move to just > x86_64 on my system but given the way things have gone, it may be time > to try something else. > > Not sure if I will try this today though since I leave for a week and > making a change late on a Friday afternoon just before vacation seems > to be begging for problems on Monday. FF3 is stable as long as > teachers don't visit aol.com (which takes forever to load for them). > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > This may be worth a try just to make sure you have all your > ducks in a row. > Run commands as root: > > mkdir /tmp/.esd > touch /tmp/.esd/socket > > Go to: http://www.123greetings.com > > And try and play a couple of the flash cards. > This is a starting point anyway. > Let us know your progress. > > Take Care, > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mip1983 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 5 04:39:31 2009 From: mip1983 at yahoo.com (mir ip) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Hi ltsp-build-client In-Reply-To: <7C2F01C2-4554-471D-9EB3-C94487FAE8AF@thealmquists.net> Message-ID: <774024.88965.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Almquist Burke thank you? for replies. I have done, it is up and running now. I have written everything on my blog kyrdev.blogspot.com Best regards, --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Almquist Burke wrote: From: Almquist Burke Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Hi ltsp-build-client To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 11:37 AM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 1, 2009, at 8:04 AM, mir ip wrote: > Hi, > So i am installing Ltsp on existing Fedora 10. I am following the install guide from k12linux wiki. So everything just goes fine but i have several questions. > > is step3 compulsory? Nope, The VMclient is something you can use for testing. If you have real clients, you don't have to intstall this. > And how long does it take? to complete step9? Because almost 6 hours my Fedora is trying to build ltsp client. > Any ideas? This can take a while depending on the speed of your internet connection. > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkrI64YACgkQxWV7OPa/g5EX2wCcDxL9o1Z9+idLv1CuYGWxeUS9 +G0AoIS8fTRE5nj1vcxr//NoXCeh+nRF =q1wV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mip1983 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 5 08:40:42 2009 From: mip1983 at yahoo.com (mir ip) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 01:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] printing. In-Reply-To: <774024.88965.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <861656.20877.qm@web36308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I have configured and installed ltsp on existing Fedora 10. Than i have configured Canon LBP3000 printer. But i have a problem now it if several users try to print it is not printing. And i have to restart to print again. What can be the issue? I searched on google but no result. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 11:09:04 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:09:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CentOS5 + Flash + Sound In-Reply-To: <1254711897.3824.8.camel@mylaptop.myhome> References: <35826.216.24.126.66.1254507150.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> <1254711897.3824.8.camel@mylaptop.myhome> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Steven James Drinnan wrote: > If you are using the wrapper, does your system use pulse sound server? > (Not sure if centos 5 uses pulse) > > I just saw an article that said that flash uses alsa so you may need the > alsa-pulse component installed. > > steven > > > CentOS doesn't use pulse. Still using esd. I reverted the systems to a 32-bit version (FF 3.5) and I am monitoring the system as users start FF with this version. When I had the 32-bit version of Flash 10 installed, it complained about alsa, so I have also reverted Flash back to version 9. The system seems stable and responsive, but I can't check on sound remotely (via a VPN) so that will have to wait till I get back to the school. /tmp/.esd/socket does exist though and I have libflashsupport installed. Thanks for all the help guys! It is appreciated. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 08:01:03 2009 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 01:01:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Major schools deployments Message-ID: <4b5781040910060101y6552577ao15700d553ab72b57@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am aware generally of proposed and existing Linux deployments in schools in Portland (Oregon), Indiana, Kerala (India), Extremadura (Spain), Russia, and Brazil, but I am wondering if anyone can summarize in just a paragraph or so what is going on with those deployments. Also, has anyone heard what is going on at the Riverdale High School in Portland, Oregon? Is Paul Nelson still there? I would also love to hear a brief paragraph from people about their school deployments. Do you have LDAP or LTSP networks? Do you have dedicated computer labs? Do you just have a few standalone Linux computers in classrooms? I am a volunteer who is supporting two public schools in San Francisco with Linux. At one school, we have a 31-seat LDAP Ubuntu lab. That school also has about 20 standalone machines in classrooms. Those machines are used for basic Internet browsing; for email; and for using TuxType, KTouch, and TuxMath. At another school, there are about 31 standalone machines which perfom similar functions to the machines located in the first school. Our use of Linux is rather primitive. We are looking to enhance that usage to get more educational benefit from these machines. -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dpetersen at riverdale.k12.or.us Wed Oct 7 02:50:12 2009 From: dpetersen at riverdale.k12.or.us (Dale Petersen) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:50:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Major schools deployments In-Reply-To: <4b5781040910060101y6552577ao15700d553ab72b57@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b5781040910060101y6552577ao15700d553ab72b57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACC01E4.9010608@riverdale.k12.or.us> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherman.davis9 at verizon.net Wed Oct 7 02:11:32 2009 From: sherman.davis9 at verizon.net (Sherman Davis) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:11:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP in schools Message-ID: <983439990.787257.1254881492765.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Wed Oct 7 21:13:36 2009 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:13:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Major schools deployments Message-ID: <6069A203FD01884885C037F81DD75080173295C90C@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Hello, My name is Sean Harbour, I'm a network engineer for Northwest Regional Education Service District, in Hillsboro, Oregon. We support 20 regional K-12 school districts, and some of them use variations of the K12LTSP software that Eric Harrison spearheaded and Paul Nelson helped implement. Coincidently, my desk is about 20 feet away from Paul Nelson's office at NWRESD. I'm happy to report he is still a great advocate of open source software in schools, especially where it makes sense as a free or inexpensive replacement for something that is costing funds that could be put to better use elsewhere improving the education of children. We use LTSP for 4 school districts and one small academy. The academy and 3 of the school districts each have one lab and server of approximately 30 thin clients. The last district has two labs of @30 thin clients on one server (dual quad core, 12GB RAM, dual Gigabit ethernet). The last year or so has been a struggle attempting to implement the latest versions of Fedora LTSP in a manner that will scale to meet our requirements, and integrate closely with our large M$ Active Directory infrastructure. So far, Fedora 9,10,11 have been performance washouts. That is to say, we have been unable to scale them to the point where the performance was acceptable in our school environments with 30 or more multimedia capable thin clients (HP T5135 400Mhz/128MB) . This also includes the Ubuntu 8.x and 9.x variants. 10 to 15 clients is the maximum so far, and even that was pushing the envelope of "acceptable". However, due to the rapid improvements being made, I fully expect a workable solution based on the newer Fedora or Ubuntu will be available soon, though it may require an upgrade of our older thin clients. Disclaimer: We do have several labs running successfully using Fedora 9 and re-purposed desktops with Intel P4 generation > 1Ghz Celeron processors, this seems to make a difference compared to our low end thin clients.The performance issues we have run into may be particular to our clients and peculiar network integration requirements. Your mileage may vary. This year we are in the process of retrofitting our labs with K12LTSP CentOS-5 64 bit. Performance is quite acceptable, and we have been able to integrate the user logins with Active Directory quite well so far. The thin clients have lost sound capability and USB thumb drives are problematic, but the stability and speed of the system is well worth it. We believe we can solve the existing problem with thumbdrives shortly, though we haven't had time to look into the sound issue yet, I believe it is likely a driver issue with our particular model of thin client. We are by no means a large implementer of LTSP, but it does work reasonably well for us, and requires little maintenance once setup. I'm interested in hearing of any other deployments out there. I am especially interested in hearing of any large deployments in Africa or South America, besides those in the USA. I would be happy to share my experiences with LTSP so far with anyone willing to listen. Thanks, Sean Harbour Northwest Regional Education Service District Hillsboro, Oregon USA 503-614-1448 sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us From einfeldt at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 23:20:02 2009 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:20:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Major schools deployments In-Reply-To: <6069A203FD01884885C037F81DD75080173295C90C@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> References: <6069A203FD01884885C037F81DD75080173295C90C@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4b5781040910071620l676a8c68m811ddeeb34abd353@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Below is a documentation summary of our LDAP system written by one of our volunteers, Grant Bowman. We have a team of really capable server architects who build a kick-ass Ubuntu LDAP network. Sean described some issues with LTSP. I have found that LTSP requires tremendously powerful servers. It would be interesting to read some documentation of Veronica, Archie, etc, (the LSTP servers that Paul Nelson build) because I am guessing that the reason the Riverdale High School LTSP works really well is that they have built some really powerful servers there. We were having trouble running OpenOffice and video on Firefox using the LTSP network that we had built. LDAP seemed to do better at load balancing , using the resources of the clients to take some pressure off of the server. The link to our documentation is here: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dfzcxcjr_2chc5cqcg I have pasted the contents of that document below. I hope this is helpful to others who are experiencing issues with performance on their LTSP systems. I'm not saying our solution is right for everyone, but it does work well for us. Staffing The time spent preparing the lab and keeping it running is significant, though far less than a similar lab using machines that run other operating systems. The system outlined in this document is designed to minimize the valuable staff time spent on hardware and software issues. Should a problem occur with a computer, the time required to swap in a spare computer and reload the faulty machine is minimal. Though the focus of this document is describing all the technical requirements of a computer lab system, working with teachers, students, the local Linux community, school administration and the school district are all extremely important parts of a successful project. In our case, a single person has been the administrative and organizational contact. Since he lives near the schools, his consistent physical presence helping in the schools has been the key to all of the progress our sub projects have gained. Hardware Hardware is a necessary but not sufficient component of a project's success. The server is a 2.8 GHz Pentium D with two gigabytes of RAM, 320 GB of disk and two gigabit Ethernet cards, one for the 192.168.10.x internal network where full services are provided and one connecting to the school's standard network using a DHCP assigned IP address. Lab computers are all donated Pentium 4 machines with 512 MB of RAM, at least 10 GB of disk space and 100 megabit ethernet cards. Fast Ethernet (10/100 Mbit) switches are used for the lab so that plenty of bandwidth is available within the lab for playing video on many machines simultaneously and so that any switch can be daisy chained from any other via gigabit Ethernet uplinks. The operating system we chose is Ubuntu's Long Term Support (LTS) version aka. 8.04 Hardy Heron released in April of 2008. Ubuntu itself is based on the highly successful Debian GNU/Linux distribution. We plan to migrate the lab to the next Ubuntu LTS version scheduled to be 10.04 in April of 2010. A budget and/or donations must be secured for the lab to replace broken and damaged hardware such as mice and keyboards. We are using a Google Docs spreadsheet to track the hardware. It is publically visible. http://is.gd/1X3Js Network Routing NAT FIREWALL Firestarter frontend The network topology is pretty simple - one network card is the gateway for 192.168.10.1 and provides all the key services necessary. The other network card can be configured via static or dhcp on whatever school or main network that has connectivity to the Internet. This configuration will not conflict with any possible existing network services while still providing robust services to Linux clients. Network Services All of these services are NOT publicly visible. They are only visible to our subnet's client machines. DNS/DHCP (dnsmasq) 1. IP Addressing, Routing, DNS services (address from name dhclient supplies) 2. Name resolution, internal and external 3. PXE image name for network booting PROXY Services 1. Squid proxy content caching 2. Privoxy address filtering 3. Drew's youtube rewrite squid plugin script - Firefox prefs.js on clients LDAP (openldap) 1. Authentication services (pamldap) 2. Secured by ssl 3. frontend admin by phpldapadmin NFSv4 1. Exported /home partition from server containing student /home/ directories SSL CERTIFICATE AUTHORITY 1. Used by LDAP for secure authentication HTTP APACHE 1. Hosts standard repository (see Package Repository below) and custom packages such as msttcorefonts, install_flash_player_10_linux.deb 2. Hosts pre-seed install files such as hardy-placement.cfg and post-placement.sh 3. Hosts myldapadmin ldap frontend tool PACKAGE REPOSITORY 1. maintained by apt-mirror, served to clients through through HTTP Apache 2. used by cron-apt to keep clients updated 3. used by debian-installer for network installs NETWORK INSTALLER BOOTING (syslinux) 1. PXELinux boot via TFTP (tftpd-hpa) 2. 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URL: From news at siddall.name Thu Oct 8 00:12:26 2009 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:12:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Major schools deployments In-Reply-To: <6069A203FD01884885C037F81DD75080173295C90C@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> References: <6069A203FD01884885C037F81DD75080173295C90C@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4ACD2E6A.1020100@siddall.name> Sean, Thanks for the information. I am curious about your LTSP5 experiences and the performance problems you ran into. What ended up being the performance bottleneck on the server? CPU, RAM, network bandwidth, or something else? I have an F10 K12Linux test system with reasonably fast 3 GHz quad core, 8 GB RAM and dual gig NICs. My thin clients are all 1.6 GHz Atom systems with GMA950 video, 1 GB RAM, 100 Mbit NIC. Even with only one client running the client desktop is not exactly snappy. It takes about 2 or 3 seconds to restore a minimized Thunderbird window, and about 1 second to restore a Firefox window. Interestingly the server CPU, RAM and network utilization are quite low so I don't think there is a bottleneck at the server. My guess is it is something with the client -- probably video, CPU, or NIC but I have not researched enough to know which yet. In your experience does the client performance get worse as more clients are added? That would definitely be problematic as users are so far unimpressed by the sluggishness. Jeff From rowens at ptd.net Thu Oct 8 00:13:26 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:13:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Major schools deployments In-Reply-To: <6069A203FD01884885C037F81DD75080173295C90C@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> References: <6069A203FD01884885C037F81DD75080173295C90C@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20091008001326.GB4317@aurora.owens.net> On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 02:13:36PM -0700, Sean Harbour wrote: > > This year we are in the process of retrofitting our labs with K12LTSP CentOS-5 64 bit. Performance is quite acceptable, and we have been able to integrate the user logins with Active Directory quite well so far. The thin clients have lost sound capability and USB thumb drives are problematic, but the stability and speed of the system is well worth it. We believe we can solve the existing problem with thumbdrives shortly, though we haven't had time to look into the sound issue yet, I believe it is likely a driver issue with our particular model of thin client. > Have you tried this: http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 -Rob From tuxnician at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 01:50:56 2009 From: tuxnician at gmail.com (Jason Yeoman) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:50:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Major schools deployments In-Reply-To: <20091008001326.GB4317@aurora.owens.net> References: <6069A203FD01884885C037F81DD75080173295C90C@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> <20091008001326.GB4317@aurora.owens.net> Message-ID: <697a67d60910071850p433c3872t5e35420f33884f92@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I'm a computer tech for the local school board. We did have an ltsp setup in one classroom at a school unfortunately it did not last long for various reasons including staff changes. Currently the 30 elementary and 3 secondary schools are all Windows based with a Mac lab at each secondary school. With the one key teacher/computer consultant that was the innovator in bringing this project to the board now gone there is no interest in supporting it. I appreciate the positive information that everyone has shared. My hope is that I can somehow re-generate an interest in using an LTSP in the schools so that students will have the experience of different operating systems and not a proprietary one. I imagine that the computer courses in the secondary schools would see the benefit of students bulding a supporting an ltsp for hands on experience. Unfortunately I am not a teacher so I have little or no say in even suggesting an ltsp so I'm constantly looking for reasons and examples to show that it can be successful. Here in Ontario the Ministry of Education purchases educational software licenses for schools so it's a little more difficult to push open source software. Since most applications are Windows based it's a hard sell for an ltsp. There was an idea of setting up mini-ltsp labs for grades JK-1 with educational software geared towards the younger students but the IT manager believes it's just as easy as buying some Windows machines instead. It's an up hill battle here but I'm glad to here about other people's successes. Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keaton.prower at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 06:07:19 2009 From: keaton.prower at gmail.com (Keaton) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 23:07:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh commands In-Reply-To: References: <20090925160034.ABCD28E05B4@hormel.redhat.com> <1253896512.29325.105.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <849aa2ca0910072307p269e9706xb934ddef8d8204f0@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Conrad Lawes wrote: > I concur with William. I am still amazed that folks are still using vnc > when freenx or nomachine is sooo much faster and easier to setup than > vnc. > > Out-of-the-box freenx is more secure since it uses the ssh protocol by > default. > > > http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FreeNX > > http://www.nomachine.com/download.php > > > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM, William Fragakis wrote: > >> Using freenx server (I've had better luck with the nxclients as opposed >> to the freenx clients) has worked for me to have a full remote desktop >> via ssh. >> >> William >> >> >> On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: >> > >> > Message: 2 >> > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:51:14 -0600 >> > From: Alan Hodson >> > Subject: [K12OSN] ssh commands >> > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> > >> > Message-ID: <4ABCAEB2.6050207 at elp.rr.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> > >> > Greetings list >> > >> > After a successful install and update of Centos 5 on a new server, I >> > am >> > trying to remember how to use the ssh command to remotely be able to >> > tweak a user's account. [ssh -l username 10.###.###.### -X] works >> > nicely >> > after user root set up the initial contact. I am able to type >> > [firefox] >> > to remotely setup their browser, [oowrite] to set up OpenOffice, etc. >> > I've tried studying the [Properties] of an icon, to discover what >> > command they represent. >> > I would be thankful if someone tells me what command to use to >> > actually >> > activate the true desktop image that the user sees, allowing me to, >> > among other things, interchange the position of bars. SSH is a nice >> > and >> > powerful control tool. >> > cheers >> > Alan Hodson >> > El Paso ISD, TX >> > -=o=- >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > -- > Regards, > Conrad Lawes > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Interesting, I hadn't heard of this software before now. I presume it's closed-source though, considering the links for 'enterprise evaluation versions' of the software on the download page. Still, seems worth looking at for me. Since we switched from CentOS 5 to Ubuntu 9.04, we've been unable to replicate the former's prebuilt VNC setup. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am still amazed that folks are still using > vnc when freenx or nomachine is sooo much faster and easier to setup > than vnc. > > Out-of-the-box freenx is more secure since it uses the ssh protocol by > default. > > > http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FreeNX > > http://www.nomachine.com/download.php > > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM, William Fragakis > > wrote: > > Using freenx server (I've had better luck with the nxclients as > opposed > to the freenx clients) has worked for me to have a full remote desktop > via ssh. > > William > > > On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com > wrote: > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:51:14 -0600 > > From: Alan Hodson > > > Subject: [K12OSN] ssh commands > > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > > > Message-ID: <4ABCAEB2.6050207 at elp.rr.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Greetings list > > > > After a successful install and update of Centos 5 on a new server, I > > am > > trying to remember how to use the ssh command to remotely be able to > > tweak a user's account. [ssh -l username 10.###.###.### -X] works > > nicely > > after user root set up the initial contact. I am able to type > > [firefox] > > to remotely setup their browser, [oowrite] to set up OpenOffice, > etc. > > I've tried studying the [Properties] of an icon, to discover what > > command they represent. > > I would be thankful if someone tells me what command to use to > > actually > > activate the true desktop image that the user sees, allowing me to, > > among other things, interchange the position of bars. SSH is a nice > > and > > powerful control tool. > > cheers > > Alan Hodson > > El Paso ISD, TX > > -=o=- > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Regards, > Conrad Lawes > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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HARDWARE 410 clients, most of them thin clients (aprox. 370 of them - all pre-used machines from companies in Norway) 11 Fedora 11 LTSP-servers (LTSP5) with 8GB mem, AMD Phenom Triple-Core and Gb-network. 3 file servers (centos) with 2x RAID0 setups on each server (software raid) 1 firewall (pfsense) 2 vmware servers running - web server (apache) - wiki documentation server (mediawiki) - SNMP server (cacti) - printer server (fedora 11) - testing zimbra mail server - thin clients for testing each TS-server - secure server for sensitive personal information (centos) We build everything ourselves. We have 2 labs with 30 thin clients, 2 labs with 20 thin clients and 4-5 thin clients in each classrom. Every teacher has a thin client on his/her workdesk. We've also testing thick client installation/updating of Fedora 11 using PXE/kickstart. We're activly trying to avoid windows and non-free software (so we're trying to use something else than the free (as-in-beer) vmware, but vmware is sooooo good and fast). Network hardware - HP Procurve with 1Gb as a backbone, so we use 2910, 2824, 2626, 2648 and 1800 (and some 1400). We've got a lot of them... NETWORK SERVICES Authentication with NIS from one of the file servers. dhcpd from one of the file severs. /home shared with NFS (using TCP) LTSP5 with NBD-images Backup every night with rsync and node-linking "Homeoffice" for the pupils and the employees with FreeNX Mail-services on one of the file servers with exim and OpenWebMail (no POP3 or IMAP!) A lot of self-made scripts to make a better world :-) We also have a neigbouring school (Gr?dem skole) that have a very similar setup and size. We're trying to document most of what we do on www.gnuskole.no (in norwegian). Translated with google: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=no&js=y&u=www.gnuskole.no&sl=no&tl=en&history_state0= OUR MAIN CHALLENGE Our major bottleneck seems to be the fileservers. Both of the main fileservers can't handle the traffic on the disc when a lot of pupils (or employees) uses e.g. firefox and the TS keeps waiting for the NFS-traffic to catch up. We're trying to optimize the nfs-servers with numbers of nfsd and using async, but I think we'll have to consider buying hardware-raid based NAS-boxes from e.g. Cisco. Odin From ben at inspiredtechs.com Thu Oct 8 11:45:57 2009 From: ben at inspiredtechs.com (Ben Dailey) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 07:45:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Major schools deployments In-Reply-To: <20091008080948.M17432@gnuskole.no> References: <6069A203FD01884885C037F81DD75080173295C90C@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> <20091008001326.GB4317@aurora.owens.net> <697a67d60910071850p433c3872t5e35420f33884f92@mail.gmail.com> <20091008080948.M17432@gnuskole.no> Message-ID: <57f84b3e0910080445qcdda670t7c948f8c3d950b90@mail.gmail.com> > OUR MAIN CHALLENGE > Our major bottleneck seems to be the fileservers. Both of the main fileservers can't > handle the traffic on the disc when a lot of pupils (or employees) uses e.g. firefox and > the TS keeps waiting for the NFS-traffic to catch up. We're trying to optimize the > nfs-servers with numbers of nfsd and using async, but I think we'll have to consider > buying hardware-raid based NAS-boxes from e.g. Cisco. > > Odin, Have you tried settings the browser.cache.disk.parent_directory option for firefox? http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache.disk.parent_directory If you point this to a tmpfs in RAM I would think that you would see a good performance improvement. Haven't actually tested this theory but thought I would throw it out there. Thank You, Ben Dailey Assistant Technology Director bdailey at bhmsd.k12.in.us www.bhmsd.k12.in.us From brcisna at eazylivin.net Thu Oct 8 12:45:40 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 07:45:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Major schools deployments Message-ID: <34387.216.24.126.66.1255005940.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, In our schools scenario,I have found that you should disregard everyone's feelings that the TC's are a bit slow. Bottom line,the reliablity benefits of K12lTSP far outweighs the slight speedier Windows alternative. no Viruses!!... there is always a work around of some kind for Winders specific applications. that being Wine or going one better going to everything web based. Once you find a web based product for you client server type apps life will be smooth. Oden, You should not be having trouble with your file server. We have 1000 students here ,not really knwoing actual TC and fat clients at this point but we only have a 4 year old file server that is always 'keeping up' with everything. This is an EL5 based file server BTW. Just my input. Take Care, Barry Cisna From robark at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 17:22:20 2009 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:22:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Major schools deployments In-Reply-To: <4b5781040910060101y6552577ao15700d553ab72b57@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b5781040910060101y6552577ao15700d553ab72b57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: ... > > I would also love to hear a brief paragraph from people about their school > deployments. Do you have LDAP or LTSP networks? Do you have dedicated > computer labs? Do you just have a few standalone Linux computers in > classrooms? > There are large deployments in Canada. The ones I know of are in Kamloops, Chilliwack and Laval school districts. Kamloops has a home grown diskless solution which they migrated to from LTSP. Chilliwack is using DRBL diskless solution. Laval is using Mille-Xterm which is LTSP clustering provided by Revolution Linux. I am just a single classroom in Vancouver. I started out using K12LTSP. This year I just started using DRBL diskless solution with all new clients. So far I really like DRBL. BTW Diskless means all processes run on client. But the client filesystem is remote. (usually NFS based). Unlike, LTSP where all processes are usually on one central server. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada From rowens at ptd.net Thu Oct 8 22:12:19 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:12:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh commands In-Reply-To: <849aa2ca0910072307p269e9706xb934ddef8d8204f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090925160034.ABCD28E05B4@hormel.redhat.com> <1253896512.29325.105.camel@localhost.localdomain> <849aa2ca0910072307p269e9706xb934ddef8d8204f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091008221219.GG7090@aurora.owens.net> On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:07:19PM -0700, Keaton wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Conrad Lawes wrote: > > > I concur with William. I am still amazed that folks are still using vnc > > when freenx or nomachine is sooo much faster and easier to setup than > > vnc. > > > > Out-of-the-box freenx is more secure since it uses the ssh protocol by > > default. > > > > > > http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FreeNX > > > > http://www.nomachine.com/download.php > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM, William Fragakis wrote: > > > >> Using freenx server (I've had better luck with the nxclients as opposed > >> to the freenx clients) has worked for me to have a full remote desktop > >> via ssh. > >> > >> William > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > >> > > >> > Message: 2 > >> > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:51:14 -0600 > >> > From: Alan Hodson > >> > Subject: [K12OSN] ssh commands > >> > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >> > > >> > Message-ID: <4ABCAEB2.6050207 at elp.rr.com> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >> > > >> > Greetings list > >> > > >> > After a successful install and update of Centos 5 on a new server, I > >> > am > >> > trying to remember how to use the ssh command to remotely be able to > >> > tweak a user's account. [ssh -l username 10.###.###.### -X] works > >> > nicely > >> > after user root set up the initial contact. I am able to type > >> > [firefox] > >> > to remotely setup their browser, [oowrite] to set up OpenOffice, etc. > >> > I've tried studying the [Properties] of an icon, to discover what > >> > command they represent. > >> > I would be thankful if someone tells me what command to use to > >> > actually > >> > activate the true desktop image that the user sees, allowing me to, > >> > among other things, interchange the position of bars. SSH is a nice > >> > and > >> > powerful control tool. > >> > cheers > >> > Alan Hodson > >> > El Paso ISD, TX > >> > -=o=- > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Conrad Lawes > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > Interesting, I hadn't heard of this software before now. I presume it's > closed-source though, considering the links for 'enterprise evaluation > versions' of the software on the download page. Still, seems worth looking > at for me. Since we switched from CentOS 5 to Ubuntu 9.04, we've been unable > to replicate the former's prebuilt VNC setup. NX Server is proprietary, but FreeNX is not. -Rob From scott at hosef.org Thu Oct 8 22:37:29 2009 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:37:29 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh commands In-Reply-To: <20091008221219.GG7090@aurora.owens.net> References: <20090925160034.ABCD28E05B4@hormel.redhat.com> <1253896512.29325.105.camel@localhost.localdomain> <849aa2ca0910072307p269e9706xb934ddef8d8204f0@mail.gmail.com> <20091008221219.GG7090@aurora.owens.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Rob Owens wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Conrad Lawes wrote: >> >> > I concur with ?William. ? I am still amazed that folks are still using vnc >> > ?when ?freenx or nomachine is sooo much faster and easier ?to setup than >> > vnc. >> > >> > Out-of-the-box ?freenx ?is more secure ?since it uses the ssh protocol by >> > default. >> > >> > >> > http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FreeNX >> > >> > http://www.nomachine.com/download.php >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM, William Fragakis wrote: >> > >> >> Using freenx server (I've had better luck with the nxclients as opposed >> >> to the freenx clients) has worked for me to have a full remote desktop >> >> via ssh. >> >> >> >> William >> >> Interesting, I hadn't heard of this software before now. I presume it's >> closed-source though, considering the links for 'enterprise evaluation >> versions' of the software on the download page. Still, seems worth looking >> at for me. Since we switched from CentOS 5 to Ubuntu 9.04, we've been unable >> to replicate the former's prebuilt VNC setup. > > NX Server is proprietary, but FreeNX is not. > > -Rob With respect to the use of FreeNX, part of my Utopian setup is a CentOS server running a paravirtualized, Edubuntu-themed desktop, a paravirtualized Debian Desktop providing DRBL services, and a paravirtualized LDAP/NFS/SAMBA/PDC server. Both the CentOS server and the Ubuntu Desktop accept connections via FreeNX. The compression algorithm is outstanding, and the packages are maintained in repositories. A client, be it a PXE booting netbook, a USB booting netbook, or any computer running a nxclient, connects, compresses, authenticates, loads a profile, and gets going. Here's the thing - the client can be in your LAN, it can at the students' home, it can be one of our transitional homeless in Hawaii using a netbook through free public wifi, from the hospital if your kid is sick, on vacation if you are traveling, etc., etc., etc. The magical gigabit connection we are used to seeking is automagically compressed into the freenx connection wherever you choose to make your LAN. Utopian LAN - all desktop are BIOS locked to pxe/etherboot/gpxe boot. Boot options, be they from flash, pxe, hard drive, pxe to http, etc - are controlled by the gpxe boot menu and administered remotely. How does one achieve, and how will google achieve, the ubiquitous roaming Desktop via the web - the NX compression integrated into the BIOS or as part of your pre-configured flash drive. I've been doing it with my netbooks since last year, and it's scary good. --scott From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 19:02:11 2009 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:02:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell 1750 boot from USB Message-ID: <4ACF88B3.2000004@gmail.com> I'm wanting to try k12linux, but the Dell 1750 server I have doesn't support booting from USB. There isn't a floppy drive either. Is there a boot cd out there that will let me boot up and then boot from USB? I know it's possible with a floppy disk, so I'm assuming I should be able to do it with a CDROM. -- Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools Blog: http://ryancollins.org/wp/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > know it's possible with a floppy disk, so I'm assuming I should be able > to do it with a CDROM. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dloomis at suddenlink.net Sun Oct 11 02:02:37 2009 From: dloomis at suddenlink.net (Daniel Loomis) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:02:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba chmods not working Message-ID: <2A51F463-FA84-4739-906E-382437B4BF3A@suddenlink.net> I just started setting up a new K12ltsp system and find I cannot samba create mask and create directory to override system defaults. I use create mask 770 directory mask 770 in either [global] or [shares] but when a client creates a new directory it defaults to 0755 and any new files default to 0644 Host is running EL. Dan From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Oct 11 02:42:32 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:42:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba chmods not working In-Reply-To: <2A51F463-FA84-4739-906E-382437B4BF3A@suddenlink.net> References: <2A51F463-FA84-4739-906E-382437B4BF3A@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <4AD14618.6020105@cmosnetworks.com> Daniel Loomis wrote: > I just started setting up a new K12ltsp system and find I cannot samba > create mask and create directory to override system defaults. > > I use > > create mask 770 > directory mask 770 > > in either [global] or [shares] > > but when a client creates a new directory it defaults to 0755 > and any new files default to 0644 > > Host is running EL. > > Dan Try the "force" directives. Like this: force directory mode = 0770 force create mask = 0770 --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? 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Jr. wrote: > Daniel Loomis wrote: >> I just started setting up a new K12ltsp system and find I cannot >> samba create mask and create directory to override system defaults. >> >> I use >> >> create mask 770 >> directory mask 770 >> >> in either [global] or [shares] >> >> but when a client creates a new directory it defaults to 0755 >> and any new files default to 0644 >> >> Host is running EL. >> >> Dan > > > Try the "force" directives. Like this: > > force directory mode = 0770 > force create mask = 0770 > > --TP Er...make that second line "force create mode = 0770". Typing too doggone fast.... By the way, is there any reason you want to make user files executable by default? I can see directories, but why files? The "force create mode" that I use is 0660, for this reason. Directories of course remain 0770 because of the first line. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Search the listarchives for mail from him, Alberto Castillo That would be a good startin point. -- Klaus Ade 67E61D18B2C44F8A3DA35C6D849F9F5F 26FA477D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From k12ltsp at rwcinc.net Sun Oct 11 18:31:52 2009 From: k12ltsp at rwcinc.net (Patrick Fleming) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:31:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> Message-ID: <4AD22498.3050003@rwcinc.net> Klaus Ade Johnstad wrote: > S?ndag 11. oktober 2009 17.44.09 skrev raju VK : >> I have successfully installed the terminal server on my fc10 >> desktop.. Now my question is now I can use some vintage (1998/99) >> PCs as clients. The PCs has no option to boot from network. Other >> wise they are still functional. If I use a network card with boot >> ROM can I connect these PCs to the terminal server ?. I googling the >> net last two days does not yield any result. >> >> >> with thanks in advance, >> Raju >> > > One person that is using realy old PC as clients (like i486 w/4MB ram) > is Alberto Castillo from Argentina. Search the listarchives for mail > from him, Alberto Castillo > > That would be a good startin point. > If you don't already have net boot capable NICs, there are a couple listed over at Disklessworkstations.com http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/prod/scan/co=yes/fi=products/sf=prod_group/se=Network%20Cards/op=eq/tf=category%2Cdescription.html?open= From robark at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 19:49:16 2009 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:49:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:44 AM, raju VK wrote: > I have successfully installed the terminal server on my fc10 desktop.. Now > my question is now I can use some vintage (1998/99) PCs as clients. The PCs > has no option to boot from network. Other wise they are still functional. If You can use floppy disks with etherboot. See http://rom-o-matic.net/ -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Oct 12 02:29:11 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:29:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD29477.9090302@cmosnetworks.com> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:44 AM, raju VK wrote: > >> I have successfully installed the terminal server on my fc10 desktop.. Now >> my question is now I can use some vintage (1998/99) PCs as clients. The PCs >> has no option to boot from network. Other wise they are still functional. If >> > > You can use floppy disks with etherboot. See http://rom-o-matic.net/ > I still do this with some AMD K6-2's from that time period. The motherboard is the Tyan S1590S Trinity, and the things work *great* as LTSP clients. My choice of PCI NIC's (PCI has been the norm since 1996, don't bother with ISA cards) is any of the following: - Realtek 8129, - 3Com 3C905 (any revision), - Intel EtherExpress Pro/100B, - or *anything* that supports PXE-boot. If you want solid video performance, including streaming video, then consider any ATI Radeon from 8500 and earlier, or the Matrox Millenium G400. Both are excellent, both are supported in their acceleration modes in LTSP's X11, and I know from experience that the Millenium G400 *will* handle 640x480 video at full speed. For "good enough" video (i. e. OpenOffice.org, Firefox, no heavy video), the ATI 3D Rage Pro's are quite fine. Leave nVidious alone due to X11 driver issues and their policy of not publishing their specs (read: binary blobs only). They'll work...but only in VESA mode, which means they'll be S-L-O-W. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? 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The configuration is PII, 128 MB RAM and even a monitor from a discarded X386 (worked with a graphics card) for the client and the server is also an old Athlon 2000+ with 512 mb RAM.... -- Alok Mahendroo alondro at fastmail.in > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:14:09 +0530 > From: raju VK > Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have successfully installed the terminal server on my fc10 desktop.. > Now > my question is now I can use some vintage (1998/99) PCs as clients. The > PCs > has no option to boot from network. Other wise they are still functional. > If > I use a network card with boot ROM can I connect these PCs to the > terminal > server ?. I googling the net last two days does not yield any result. > > > with thanks in advance, > Raju > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20091011/29f41c52/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 10 > ************************************** -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow From vkr2007 at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 17:07:01 2009 From: vkr2007 at gmail.com (raju VK) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:37:01 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> Message-ID: <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for all the replies. But even now my question is not properly answered. It is simply, if I use a new network card with boot ROM, whether I can boot in to a network even if the boot options does not have an entry for network card as boot device. >From the replies I assume the answer is negative and the only option is to use a boot floppy. regards, Raju On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Klaus Ade Johnstad wrote: > S?ndag 11. oktober 2009 17.44.09 skrev raju VK : > > I have successfully installed the terminal server on my fc10 > > desktop.. Now my question is now I can use some vintage (1998/99) > > PCs as clients. The PCs has no option to boot from network. Other > > wise they are still functional. If I use a network card with boot > > ROM can I connect these PCs to the terminal server ?. 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URL: From rowens at ptd.net Mon Oct 12 19:39:57 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:39:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091012193957.GB24461@aurora.owens.net> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:37:01PM +0530, raju VK wrote: > Thanks for all the replies. But even now my question is not properly > answered. It is simply, if I use a new network card with boot ROM, > whether I can boot in to a network even if the boot options does not have an > entry for network card as boot device. > > >From the replies I assume the answer is negative and the only option is to > use a boot floppy. > The boot floppy (or boot CD) does allow you to boot over the network. The boot floppy only contains instructions for the computer to boot from the network -- it does not contain a local operating system or even a kernel. It will work functionally the same as a network card with a boot ROM, except that you need to have the floppy installed. -Rob From jthomas at bittware.com Mon Oct 12 19:44:26 2009 From: jthomas at bittware.com (j.w. thomas) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:44:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD3871A.9070000@bittware.com> raju VK wrote: > Thanks for all the replies. But even now my question is not properly > answered. It is simply, if I use a new network card with boot ROM, > whether I can boot in to a network even if the boot options does not > have an entry for network card as boot device. > > From the replies I assume the answer is negative and the only option is > to use a boot floppy. If you install a boot ROM in the ethernet card, the BIOS should find it and execute it on start up. It has been years since I have done this, but I'm pretty sure I used the stuff supplied by rom-o-matic. Or was it etherboot? Maybe both! -- Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc jthomas at bittware.com http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536 The secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse - Calvin's Dad From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 00:35:12 2009 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:35:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Major schools deployments In-Reply-To: <4ACC01E4.9010608@riverdale.k12.or.us> References: <4b5781040910060101y6552577ao15700d553ab72b57@mail.gmail.com> <4ACC01E4.9010608@riverdale.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4b5781040910121735xb93ff3bq7b672a5af9d29f61@mail.gmail.com> hi, On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Dale Petersen wrote: > Our deployment of Linux is still in the form of LTSP. Our High School has > > Dale, I have added your story here to the K12 Open Source wiki maintained by Steve Hargadon. I have not edited anything. Please let me know if this approach works for you. Same for other members of this list. I am hoping that we will make it easier to find information about current Linux / FOSS deployments at schools. Please feel free to delete or make other changes as you see fit: http://wiki.k12opensource.com/Oregon That page is linked from this page: http://wiki.k12opensource.com/School+deployments And that page is linked from this page, under In the Classroom > Classroom Deployments: http://wiki.k12opensource.com/Programs I hope that this is useful, and that it becomes popular. I am planning to add one or two stories that have been posted to this list per day, unless this idea is not popular with the folks here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you do put that in, then your PC will happily boot from the network. Jim McQuillan sells these chips for several types of network card, not just 3C905's. But what if you don't happen to have that chip, and your employer will not pop for these chips? That's when you "substitute" the boot ROM chip for a floppy disk, hard disk, or CD-ROM with that same boot ROM image on it. It accomplishes exactly the same thing. Hopefully this helps to clear some things up. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! raju VK wrote: > Thanks for all the replies. But even now my question is not properly > answered. It is simply, if I use a new network card with boot ROM, > whether I can boot in to a network even if the boot options does not > have an entry for network card as boot device. > > From the replies I assume the answer is negative and the only option > is to use a boot floppy. > > regards, > Raju > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Klaus Ade Johnstad > > wrote: > > S?ndag 11. oktober 2009 17.44.09 skrev raju VK : > > I have successfully installed the terminal server on my fc10 > > desktop.. Now my question is now I can use some vintage (1998/99) > > PCs as clients. The PCs has no option to boot from network. Other > > wise they are still functional. If I use a network card with boot > > ROM can I connect these PCs to the terminal server ?. I > googling the > > net last two days does not yield any result. > > > > > > with thanks in advance, > > Raju > > > > One person that is using realy old PC as clients (like i486 w/4MB ram) > is Alberto Castillo from Argentina. Search the listarchives for mail > from him, Alberto Castillo > > > That would be a good startin point. > > -- > Klaus Ade > 67E61D18B2C44F8A3DA35C6D849F9F5F 26FA477D > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 15:34:29 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:34:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client specs or network speed - which is more important? Message-ID: Hello, I hope everyone is doing well. I have been working to tighten up the network and one of the options that I have is to try to upgrade our thin clients (they are all Pentium I/II and some IIIs with about 128 MB RAM) or to upgrade our entire network speed to gigabit. We don't use any locally-run applications. We are running K12linux based on Fedora. What do you think? Thank you Joseph From robark at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 16:42:05 2009 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:42:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client specs or network speed - which is more important? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > I hope everyone is doing well. > > I have been working to tighten up the network and one of the options > that I have is to try to upgrade our thin clients (they are all > Pentium I/II and some IIIs with about 128 MB RAM) or to upgrade our > entire network speed to gigabit. We don't use any locally-run > applications. > > We are running K12linux based on Fedora. > > What do you think? Upgrade the clients. 100Mbps is fine for clients but have a gigabit uplink to server. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 13 17:23:56 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:23:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client specs or network speed - which is more important? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD4B7AC.8040901@cmosnetworks.com> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Joseph Bishay wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I hope everyone is doing well. >> >> I have been working to tighten up the network and one of the options >> that I have is to try to upgrade our thin clients (they are all >> Pentium I/II and some IIIs with about 128 MB RAM) or to upgrade our >> entire network speed to gigabit. We don't use any locally-run >> applications. >> >> We are running K12linux based on Fedora. >> >> What do you think? >> > > Upgrade the clients. 100Mbps is fine for clients but have a gigabit > uplink to server. > > That depends on what is meant by "upgrade the clients." If you mean "add some DRAM to the existing clients," then I'd agree, 'cause there's nothing wrong with those clients. A few years back, 32MB in the clients was enough, but now I typically put 256MB in mine 'cause of the way Firefox does image caching in X11. I still have a Pentium-166 MMX and some AMD K6-2's from 10-12 years ago, and they work great. They have 100Mbps cards, and they have decent video boards (Matrox Millenium G400, ATI Radeon 7500, etc.). +1 on the "upgrade the *server* to Gigabit" suggestion. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They have > 100Mbps cards, and they have decent video boards (Matrox Millenium G400, > ATI Radeon 7500, etc.). > > +1 on the "upgrade the *server* to Gigabit" suggestion. You probably wouldn't like those clients if they had non-accelerated video cards and that slow CPU had to do all the work, though. And it probably costs as much to add old-style RAM these days as to get a much newer used PC. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 13 19:45:03 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:45:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client specs or network speed - which is more important? In-Reply-To: <4AD4BAE9.8030508@gmail.com> References: <4AD4B7AC.8040901@cmosnetworks.com> <4AD4BAE9.8030508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD4D8BF.3080507@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> >>> >>> Upgrade the clients. 100Mbps is fine for clients but have a gigabit >>> uplink to server. >>> >>> >> >> That depends on what is meant by "upgrade the clients." If you mean >> "add some DRAM to the existing clients," then I'd agree, 'cause >> there's nothing wrong with those clients. A few years back, 32MB in >> the clients was enough, but now I typically put 256MB in mine 'cause >> of the way Firefox does image caching in X11. I still have a >> Pentium-166 MMX and some AMD K6-2's from 10-12 years ago, and they >> work great. They have 100Mbps cards, and they have decent video >> boards (Matrox Millenium G400, ATI Radeon 7500, etc.). >> >> +1 on the "upgrade the *server* to Gigabit" suggestion. > > You probably wouldn't like those clients if they had non-accelerated > video cards and that slow CPU had to do all the work, though. And it > probably costs as much to add old-style RAM these days as to get a > much newer used PC. Actually, SDRAM's pretty cheap, even "SDR" 168-pin SDRAM, here in the USA (maybe it's different down under). There's lots of surplus over here. And cards like the Millenium G400 and ATI Radeon series (also pretty cheap in USA, large surplus) are accelerated, and they exist in both PCI and AGP versions. --TP From william at fragakis.com Tue Oct 13 21:17:35 2009 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:17:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client specs or network speed - which is more> important? In-Reply-To: <20091013160038.0DF9161A4B5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20091013160038.0DF9161A4B5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1255468655.29084.203.camel@localhost.localdomain> Network. It's not even a debate if you are doing thin clients running apps off the server (LTSP). 5-6 clients running anything remotely graphical (Flash, Tuxmath) will saturate a 10/100 network. Regards, William On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:34:29 -0400 > From: Joseph Bishay > Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client specs or network speed - which is more > important? > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello, > > I hope everyone is doing well. > > I have been working to tighten up the network and one of the options > that I have is to try to upgrade our thin clients (they are all > Pentium I/II and some IIIs with about 128 MB RAM) or to upgrade our > entire network speed to gigabit. We don't use any locally-run > applications. > > We are running K12linux based on Fedora. > > What do you think? > > Thank you > Joseph > > From vkr2007 at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 05:59:58 2009 From: vkr2007 at gmail.com (raju VK) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:29:58 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: <4AD3F2D6.9000608@cmosnetworks.com> References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> <4AD3F2D6.9000608@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <778412130910132259u20e31b71wa35c47dc45b512db@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the clarification. Hardware vendors and other people were not sure of this. That is why I posted it. This assumes significance as the floppy drives on al these machines are not working. Therefore I have decided to give a try even if the query is not answered. with many thanks, Raju On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:54 AM, "Terrell Prud? Jr." < microman at cmosnetworks.com> wrote: > Actually, it was answered, but perhaps you're not understanding just what > it is we're saying here. Any card that supports PXE-booting is just such a > card as you describe, with its own boot ROM on it. > > Here's some additional information as well. If you have any 3Com 3C905 > cards handy (either the original or the "B" variant), you'll notice a socket > for a chip. That socket is where you'd put the boot ROM for that card. If > you do put that in, then your PC will happily boot from the network. Jim > McQuillan sells these chips for several types of network card, not just > 3C905's. But what if you don't happen to have that chip, and your employer > will not pop for these chips? That's when you "substitute" the boot ROM > chip for a floppy disk, hard disk, or CD-ROM with that same boot ROM image > on it. It accomplishes exactly the same thing. > > Hopefully this helps to clear some things up. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU ? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate > antivirus protection! > > > raju VK wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies. But even now my question is not properly > answered. It is simply, if I use a new network card with boot ROM, > whether I can boot in to a network even if the boot options does not have > an entry for network card as boot device. > > From the replies I assume the answer is negative and the only option is > to use a boot floppy. > > regards, > Raju > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Klaus Ade Johnstad wrote: > >> S?ndag 11. oktober 2009 17.44.09 skrev raju VK : >> > I have successfully installed the terminal server on my fc10 >> > desktop.. Now my question is now I can use some vintage (1998/99) >> > PCs as clients. The PCs has no option to boot from network. Other >> > wise they are still functional. If I use a network card with boot >> > ROM can I connect these PCs to the terminal server ?. I googling the >> > net last two days does not yield any result. >> > >> > >> > with thanks in advance, >> > Raju >> > >> >> One person that is using realy old PC as clients (like i486 w/4MB ram) >> is Alberto Castillo from Argentina. 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Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: raju VK To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Different types of video cards how to manage On testing my installation, I noticed that on some clients, particularly using the intel 845 series motherboards with integrated video / graphics, the x window is corrupted and the terminal is unfit to use. But on other clients there is no problem. How can I overcome this ? is it possible to have different xorg.conf files for each different type of clients? or the /etc/X11/xorg.conf can be modified to suit all the clients. Kindly guide me. (my system is fc10) Raju ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This example is for the 3Com 3C905 series, and it assumes the old box's hard disk shows up as /dev/hdb. terrell at thinclientmaker$ su - root Password: (enter root's password here) root at thinclientmaker# cat eb-5.4.4-3c90x.zdsk > /dev/hdb root at thinclientmaker# halt Then, just pop this new "EtherBoot hard disk" back into the old box and boot from it. If you set up one box to do all your old hard disks this way, it goes pretty quickly. I did something similar with some EIDE Sun Ultra 5 hard disks a few years back (I used an x86 machine for the cat'ing), and I had ten hard disks all config'd in about 20 minutes. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! raju VK wrote: > Thanks for the clarification. Hardware vendors and other people were > not sure of this. That is why I posted it. This assumes significance > as the floppy drives on al these machines are not working. Therefore > I have decided to give a try even if the query is not answered. > > > > with many thanks, > Raju > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:54 AM, "Terrell Prud? Jr." > > wrote: > > Actually, it was answered, but perhaps you're not understanding > just what it is we're saying here. Any card that supports > PXE-booting is just such a card as you describe, with its own boot > ROM on it. > > Here's some additional information as well. If you have any 3Com > 3C905 cards handy (either the original or the "B" variant), you'll > notice a socket for a chip. That socket is where you'd put the > boot ROM for that card. If you do put that in, then your PC will > happily boot from the network. Jim McQuillan sells these chips > for several types of network card, not just 3C905's. But what if > you don't happen to have that chip, and your employer will not pop > for these chips? That's when you "substitute" the boot ROM chip > for a floppy disk, hard disk, or CD-ROM with that same boot ROM > image on it. It accomplishes exactly the same thing. > > Hopefully this helps to clear some things up. > > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU ? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the > ultimate antivirus protection! > > > raju VK wrote: >> Thanks for all the replies. But even now my question is not >> properly answered. It is simply, if I use a new network card >> with boot ROM, >> whether I can boot in to a network even if the boot options does >> not have an entry for network card as boot device. >> >> From the replies I assume the answer is negative and the only >> option is to use a boot floppy. >> >> regards, >> Raju >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Klaus Ade Johnstad >> > wrote: >> >> S?ndag 11. oktober 2009 17.44.09 skrev raju VK : >> > I have successfully installed the terminal server on my fc10 >> > desktop.. Now my question is now I can use some vintage >> (1998/99) >> > PCs as clients. The PCs has no option to boot from >> network. Other >> > wise they are still functional. If I use a network card >> with boot >> > ROM can I connect these PCs to the terminal server ?. I >> googling the >> > net last two days does not yield any result. >> > >> > >> > with thanks in advance, >> > Raju >> > >> >> One person that is using realy old PC as clients (like i486 >> w/4MB ram) >> is Alberto Castillo from Argentina. Search the listarchives >> for mail >> from him, Alberto Castillo > > >> >> That would be a good startin point. >> >> -- >> Klaus Ade >> 67E61D18B2C44F8A3DA35C6D849F9F5F 26FA477D >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing >> list K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Oct 14 15:32:36 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:32:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gx260's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD5EF14.7020209@cmosnetworks.com> It appears that not every video driver is installed in the X11 that lives in /opt/ltsp/i386. This may be what's biting you in the rear. What happens if you try popping, say, an ATI Rage, Radeon 7x00, Radeon 8500, or Matrox Millenium G-series in the box? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Joe Dow wrote: > Hey all, > > Again I'm gonna ask about the Dell Gx260's as no one seems to have > given me a suitable answer. The problem is with the intel video, > wondering if anyone has successfully gotten these up and running, and > if so. How?? > > Joe > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vkr2007 at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 18:06:36 2009 From: vkr2007 at gmail.com (raju VK) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:36:36 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: <4AD5EE45.4050201@cmosnetworks.com> References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> <4AD3F2D6.9000608@cmosnetworks.com> <778412130910132259u20e31b71wa35c47dc45b512db@mail.gmail.com> <4AD5EE45.4050201@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <778412130910141106s766a6faetd70df845c75b34f1@mail.gmail.com> I was about to try this method. But I am facing a peculiar problem. The oldest HDDs I currently have is of 39 pin. But the connector on board is of 40 pins. When I tried to boot the PC by connecting one of these HDDs, (with (DOS), the PC refuses to start. I tried by flipping the cable ( to check whether it is fitted reversley). Once the HDD is disconnected, the PC starts without any problem. Any clue what went wrong ? Regards, Raju On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:59 PM, "Terrell Prud? Jr." < microman at cmosnetworks.com> wrote: > Also remember that even though the floppy drives aren't working, you can > accomplish the same thing with the hard disk instead. What I do in this > case is pull the old box's hard disk out of it, install it in another > GNU/Linux or other UNIX-style box, and then "cat" the Rom-O-Matic image to > the hard disk, like so. This example is for the 3Com 3C905 series, and it > assumes the old box's hard disk shows up as /dev/hdb. > > terrell at thinclientmaker$ su - root > Password: (enter root's password here) > root at thinclientmaker# cat eb-5.4.4-3c90x.zdsk > /dev/hdb > root at thinclientmaker# halt > > Then, just pop this new "EtherBoot hard disk" back into the old box and > boot from it. If you set up one box to do all your old hard disks this way, > it goes pretty quickly. I did something similar with some EIDE Sun Ultra 5 > hard disks a few years back (I used an x86 machine for the cat'ing), and I > had ten hard disks all config'd in about 20 minutes. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU ? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate > antivirus protection! > > > raju VK wrote: > > Thanks for the clarification. Hardware vendors and other people were not > sure of this. That is why I posted it. This assumes significance as the > floppy drives on al these machines are not working. Therefore I have > decided to give a try even if the query is not answered. > > > > with many thanks, > Raju > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:54 AM, "Terrell Prud? Jr." < > microman at cmosnetworks.com> wrote: > >> Actually, it was answered, but perhaps you're not understanding just what >> it is we're saying here. Any card that supports PXE-booting is just such a >> card as you describe, with its own boot ROM on it. >> >> Here's some additional information as well. If you have any 3Com 3C905 >> cards handy (either the original or the "B" variant), you'll notice a socket >> for a chip. That socket is where you'd put the boot ROM for that card. If >> you do put that in, then your PC will happily boot from the network. Jim >> McQuillan sells these chips for several types of network card, not just >> 3C905's. But what if you don't happen to have that chip, and your employer >> will not pop for these chips? That's when you "substitute" the boot ROM >> chip for a floppy disk, hard disk, or CD-ROM with that same boot ROM image >> on it. It accomplishes exactly the same thing. >> >> Hopefully this helps to clear some things up. >> >> --TP >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU ? >> Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate >> antivirus protection! >> >> >> raju VK wrote: >> >> Thanks for all the replies. But even now my question is not properly >> answered. It is simply, if I use a new network card with boot ROM, >> whether I can boot in to a network even if the boot options does not have >> an entry for network card as boot device. >> >> From the replies I assume the answer is negative and the only option is >> to use a boot floppy. >> >> regards, >> Raju >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Klaus Ade Johnstad > > wrote: >> >>> S?ndag 11. oktober 2009 17.44.09 skrev raju VK : >>> > I have successfully installed the terminal server on my fc10 >>> > desktop.. Now my question is now I can use some vintage (1998/99) >>> > PCs as clients. The PCs has no option to boot from network. Other >>> > wise they are still functional. If I use a network card with boot >>> > ROM can I connect these PCs to the terminal server ?. I googling the >>> > net last two days does not yield any result. >>> > >>> > >>> > with thanks in advance, >>> > Raju >>> > >>> >>> One person that is using realy old PC as clients (like i486 w/4MB ram) >>> is Alberto Castillo from Argentina. Search the listarchives for mail >>> from him, Alberto Castillo >>> >>> That would be a good startin point. >>> >>> -- >>> Klaus Ade >>> 67E61D18B2C44F8A3DA35C6D849F9F5F 26FA477D >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing listK12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing listK12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lesmikesell at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 18:38:13 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:38:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: <778412130910141106s766a6faetd70df845c75b34f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> <4AD3F2D6.9000608@cmosnetworks.com> <778412130910132259u20e31b71wa35c47dc45b512db@mail.gmail.com> <4AD5EE45.4050201@cmosnetworks.com> <778412130910141106s766a6faetd70df845c75b34f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD61A95.6000903@gmail.com> raju VK wrote: > I was about to try this method. But I am facing a peculiar problem. The > oldest HDDs I currently have is of 39 pin. But the connector on board is > of 40 pins. When I tried to boot the PC by connecting one of these HDDs, > (with (DOS), the PC refuses to start. I tried by flipping the cable ( > to check whether it is fitted reversley). Once the HDD is disconnected, > the PC starts without any problem. > Any clue what went wrong ? IDE connectors normally have the lower center pin out with a corresponding blank in the cable so you can't reverse them - and there is also a notch up in the cable connector opposite this that fits a cut-out in the edge of the disk connector. But besides getting the pins right you also need the jumpers on the drive to select it as master (if it is the only drive) or slave (if the 2nd on the cable). Also on older PCs there were different size limits on the drives that could be attached and it's not unusual to fail to boot if a disk that is too large is connected. Sometimes a firmware update can fix this, but you'll have to boot something to install it. If you are working with very many disks, I'd recommend getting an inexpensive USB->IDE (and SATA) cable adapter so you can hot-plug them into a more modern (USB 2.0) machine. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From jthomas at bittware.com Wed Oct 14 18:50:49 2009 From: jthomas at bittware.com (j.w. thomas) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:50:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: <4AD5EE45.4050201@cmosnetworks.com> References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> <4AD3F2D6.9000608@cmosnetworks.com> <778412130910132259u20e31b71wa35c47dc45b512db@mail.gmail.com> <4AD5EE45.4050201@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4AD61D89.6080101@bittware.com> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: > Also remember that even though the floppy drives aren't working, you can > accomplish the same thing with the hard disk instead. What I do in this > case is pull the old box's hard disk out of it, install it in another > GNU/Linux or other UNIX-style box, and then "cat" the Rom-O-Matic image > to the hard disk, like so. This example is for the 3Com 3C905 series, > and it assumes the old box's hard disk shows up as /dev/hdb. > > terrell at thinclientmaker$ su - root > Password: (enter root's password here) > root at thinclientmaker# cat eb-5.4.4-3c90x.zdsk > /dev/hdb > root at thinclientmaker# halt > > Then, just pop this new "EtherBoot hard disk" back into the old box and > boot from it. If you set up one box to do all your old hard disks this > way, it goes pretty quickly. I did something similar with some EIDE Sun > Ultra 5 hard disks a few years back (I used an x86 machine for the > cat'ing), and I had ten hard disks all config'd in about 20 minutes. > It would be really sweet to have a LiveCD that did this for you. With appropriate warnings! -- Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc jthomas at bittware.com http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536 When you have a new hammer, the whole world looks like a nail. From joe.dow at essb.qc.ca Wed Oct 14 20:02:15 2009 From: joe.dow at essb.qc.ca (Joe Dow) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:02:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gx260's References: <4AD5EF14.7020209@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Well I tried a Nvidia Geforce 2, which is the only one I had on hand. Same issue .. I get the Fedora screen with the progress bar, then nothing ... have tried with no XSERVER and with XSERVER=vesa in the lts.conf Booting from the live dvd (v.10) I get to the logon screen but it looks horrible and wasn't usable. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terrell Prud? Jr." To: Support list for open source software in schools. Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Gx260's It appears that not every video driver is installed in the X11 that lives in /opt/ltsp/i386. This may be what's biting you in the rear. What happens if you try popping, say, an ATI Rage, Radeon 7x00, Radeon 8500, or Matrox Millenium G-series in the box? --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU? Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! Joe Dow wrote: Hey all, Again I'm gonna ask about the Dell Gx260's as no one seems to have given me a suitable answer. The problem is with the intel video, wondering if anyone has successfully gotten these up and running, and if so. How?? Joe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Oct 14 23:08:12 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:08:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gx260's In-Reply-To: References: <4AD5EF14.7020209@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4AD659DC.3090709@cmosnetworks.com> Leave nVidious cards alone. They don't play nicely with releasing their specs. I suggest trying out the cards listed below. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Joe Dow wrote: > Well I tried a Nvidia Geforce 2, which is the only one I had on hand. > Same issue .. I get the Fedora screen with the progress bar, then > nothing ... have tried with no XSERVER and with XSERVER=vesa in the > lts.conf > > Booting from the live dvd (v.10) I get to the logon screen but it > looks horrible and wasn't usable. > > Joe > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* "Terrell Prud? Jr." > *To:* Support list for open source software in schools. > > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:32 AM > *Subject:* Re: [K12OSN] Gx260's > > It appears that not every video driver is installed in the X11 > that lives in /opt/ltsp/i386. This may be what's biting you in > the rear. What happens if you try popping, say, an ATI Rage, > Radeon 7x00, Radeon 8500, or Matrox Millenium G-series in the box? > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU ? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the > ultimate antivirus protection! > > > Joe Dow wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> Again I'm gonna ask about the Dell Gx260's as no one seems to >> have given me a suitable answer. The problem is with the intel >> video, wondering if anyone has successfully gotten these up and >> running, and if so. How?? >> >> Joe >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Oct 14 23:09:58 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:09:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: <4AD61D89.6080101@bittware.com> References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> <4AD3F2D6.9000608@cmosnetworks.com> <778412130910132259u20e31b71wa35c47dc45b512db@mail.gmail.com> <4AD5EE45.4050201@cmosnetworks.com> <4AD61D89.6080101@bittware.com> Message-ID: <4AD65A46.2080907@cmosnetworks.com> j.w. thomas wrote: > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> Also remember that even though the floppy drives aren't working, you >> can accomplish the same thing with the hard disk instead. What I do >> in this case is pull the old box's hard disk out of it, install it in >> another GNU/Linux or other UNIX-style box, and then "cat" the >> Rom-O-Matic image to the hard disk, like so. This example is for the >> 3Com 3C905 series, and it assumes the old box's hard disk shows up as >> /dev/hdb. >> >> terrell at thinclientmaker$ su - root >> Password: (enter root's password here) >> root at thinclientmaker# cat eb-5.4.4-3c90x.zdsk > /dev/hdb >> root at thinclientmaker# halt >> >> Then, just pop this new "EtherBoot hard disk" back into the old box >> and boot from it. If you set up one box to do all your old hard >> disks this way, it goes pretty quickly. I did something similar with >> some EIDE Sun Ultra 5 hard disks a few years back (I used an x86 >> machine for the cat'ing), and I had ten hard disks all config'd in >> about 20 minutes. >> > > It would be really sweet to have a LiveCD that did this for you. With > appropriate warnings! > It exists. It's called Damn Small Linux. :-) --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Oct 14 23:11:58 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:11:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: <778412130910141106s766a6faetd70df845c75b34f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> <4AD3F2D6.9000608@cmosnetworks.com> <778412130910132259u20e31b71wa35c47dc45b512db@mail.gmail.com> <4AD5EE45.4050201@cmosnetworks.com> <778412130910141106s766a6faetd70df845c75b34f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD65ABE.5070507@cmosnetworks.com> Define more precisely "the PC refuses to start" for us. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! raju VK wrote: > I was about to try this method. But I am facing a peculiar problem. > The oldest HDDs I currently have is of 39 pin. But the connector on > board is of 40 pins. When I tried to boot the PC by connecting one of > these HDDs, (with (DOS), the PC refuses to start. I tried by flipping > the cable ( to check whether it is fitted reversley). Once the HDD is > disconnected, the PC starts without any problem. > Any clue what went wrong ? > > Regards, > Raju > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:59 PM, "Terrell Prud? Jr." > > wrote: > > Also remember that even though the floppy drives aren't working, > you can accomplish the same thing with the hard disk instead. > What I do in this case is pull the old box's hard disk out of it, > install it in another GNU/Linux or other UNIX-style box, and then > "cat" the Rom-O-Matic image to the hard disk, like so. This > example is for the 3Com 3C905 series, and it assumes the old box's > hard disk shows up as /dev/hdb. > > terrell at thinclientmaker$ su - root > Password: (enter root's password here) > root at thinclientmaker# cat eb-5.4.4-3c90x.zdsk > /dev/hdb > root at thinclientmaker# halt > > Then, just pop this new "EtherBoot hard disk" back into the old > box and boot from it. If you set up one box to do all your old > hard disks this way, it goes pretty quickly. I did something > similar with some EIDE Sun Ultra 5 hard disks a few years back (I > used an x86 machine for the cat'ing), and I had ten hard disks all > config'd in about 20 minutes. > > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU ? > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the > ultimate antivirus protection! > > > raju VK wrote: >> Thanks for the clarification. Hardware vendors and other people >> were not sure of this. That is why I posted it. This assumes >> significance as the floppy drives on al these machines are not >> working. Therefore I have decided to give a try even if the >> query is not answered. >> >> >> >> with many thanks, >> Raju >> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:54 AM, "Terrell Prud? Jr." >> > wrote: >> >> Actually, it was answered, but perhaps you're not >> understanding just what it is we're saying here. Any card >> that supports PXE-booting is just such a card as you >> describe, with its own boot ROM on it. >> >> Here's some additional information as well. If you have any >> 3Com 3C905 cards handy (either the original or the "B" >> variant), you'll notice a socket for a chip. That socket is >> where you'd put the boot ROM for that card. If you do put >> that in, then your PC will happily boot from the network. >> Jim McQuillan sells these chips for several types of network >> card, not just 3C905's. But what if you don't happen to have >> that chip, and your employer will not pop for these chips? >> That's when you "substitute" the boot ROM chip for a floppy >> disk, hard disk, or CD-ROM with that same boot ROM image on >> it. It accomplishes exactly the same thing. >> >> Hopefully this helps to clear some things up. >> >> >> --TP >> _______________________________ >> Do you GNU ? >> Microsoft Free since 2003 --the >> ultimate antivirus protection! >> >> >> raju VK wrote: >>> Thanks for all the replies. But even now my question is not >>> properly answered. It is simply, if I use a new network >>> card with boot ROM, >>> whether I can boot in to a network even if the boot options >>> does not have an entry for network card as boot device. >>> >>> From the replies I assume the answer is negative and the >>> only option is to use a boot floppy. >>> >>> regards, >>> Raju >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Klaus Ade Johnstad >>> > wrote: >>> >>> S?ndag 11. oktober 2009 17.44.09 skrev raju VK : >>> > I have successfully installed the terminal server on >>> my fc10 >>> > desktop.. Now my question is now I can use some >>> vintage (1998/99) >>> > PCs as clients. The PCs has no option to boot from >>> network. Other >>> > wise they are still functional. If I use a network >>> card with boot >>> > ROM can I connect these PCs to the terminal server ?. >>> I googling the >>> > net last two days does not yield any result. >>> > >>> > >>> > with thanks in advance, >>> > Raju >>> > >>> >>> One person that is using realy old PC as clients (like >>> i486 w/4MB ram) >>> is Alberto Castillo from Argentina. Search the >>> listarchives for mail >>> from him, Alberto Castillo >> > >>> >>> That would be a good startin point. >>> >>> -- >>> Klaus Ade >>> 67E61D18B2C44F8A3DA35C6D849F9F5F 26FA477D >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> _______________________________________________ K12OSN >>> mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info >>> see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing >> list K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 23:30:01 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:30:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: <4AD61D89.6080101@bittware.com> References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> <4AD3F2D6.9000608@cmosnetworks.com> <778412130910132259u20e31b71wa35c47dc45b512db@mail.gmail.com> <4AD5EE45.4050201@cmosnetworks.com> <4AD61D89.6080101@bittware.com> Message-ID: Hello, On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM, j.w. thomas wrote: > Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >> >> ?terrell at thinclientmaker$ su - root >> ?Password: ?(enter root's password here) >> ?root at thinclientmaker# cat eb-5.4.4-3c90x.zdsk > /dev/hdb >> ?root at thinclientmaker# halt >> >> Then, just pop this new "EtherBoot hard disk" back into the old box and >> boot from it. ?If you set up one box to do all your old hard disks this way, >> it goes pretty quickly. ?I did something similar with some EIDE Sun Ultra 5 >> hard disks a few years back (I used an x86 machine for the cat'ing), and I >> had ten hard disks all config'd in about 20 minutes. >> > It would be really sweet to have a LiveCD that did this for you. ?With > appropriate warnings! I know I found a while ago a floppy image that does just that -- you boot off the floppy and it then runs a script that will automatically partition a 10 MB section on the hard drive of the machine and install on it a universal network bootup script. Take out the floppy, reboot, and you're done -- it will from then on boot off the network (unless you change the options that were there to let it dual boot, etc.) It is a pretty awesome floppy that I constantly use, but I can't seem to find the place online I downloaded it from originally! Maybe someone else has heard of it... Joseph From scott at hosef.org Thu Oct 15 00:11:05 2009 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:11:05 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> <4AD3F2D6.9000608@cmosnetworks.com> <778412130910132259u20e31b71wa35c47dc45b512db@mail.gmail.com> <4AD5EE45.4050201@cmosnetworks.com> <4AD61D89.6080101@bittware.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM, j.w. thomas wrote: >> Terrell Prud? Jr. wrote: >>> >>> ?terrell at thinclientmaker$ su - root >>> ?Password: ?(enter root's password here) >>> ?root at thinclientmaker# cat eb-5.4.4-3c90x.zdsk > /dev/hdb >>> ?root at thinclientmaker# halt >>> >>> Then, just pop this new "EtherBoot hard disk" back into the old box and >>> boot from it. ?If you set up one box to do all your old hard disks this way, >>> it goes pretty quickly. ?I did something similar with some EIDE Sun Ultra 5 >>> hard disks a few years back (I used an x86 machine for the cat'ing), and I >>> had ten hard disks all config'd in about 20 minutes. >>> >> It would be really sweet to have a LiveCD that did this for you. ?With >> appropriate warnings! > > I know I found a while ago a floppy image that does just that -- you > boot off the floppy and it then runs a script that will automatically > partition a 10 MB section on the hard drive of the machine and install > on it a universal network bootup script. ?Take out the floppy, reboot, > and you're done -- it will from then on boot off the network (unless > you change the options that were there to let it dual boot, etc.) It > is a pretty awesome floppy that I constantly use, but I can't seem to > find the place online I downloaded it from originally! ?Maybe someone > else has heard of it... > > Joseph When network booting a really old PC that has not been retro-fitted with a pxe/ether-booting network card, I have found the following three paths to work best: Floppy Drive - The etherboot universal image, attained via the web or from my most convenient DRBL install, works most of the time. For the rare occasions that it does not, the rom-o-matic site will astonish you in its complete offering of images for any network card made, it seems. Compact Disk - The Clonezilla Live CD, while not defaulting to etherboot, provides etherboot as an option. I use this, mostly. Hard Drive - In addition to Terrell's good technique, and what sounds like a good power-floppy option referenced by Joseph, I have found that GRUB works great since you can load the appropriate image into /boot and configure your menu appropriately. I get the sense that GRUB2 will make this even easier, but I'm still fiddling with its new grub.d directory. The final outcome remains that your default boot can be the network or various hard drive installations if they are in place as backups or alternatives. When dealing with old hard drives and computers of the vintage with which you are blessed, I have lost many a hair with, for instance, a Western Digital hard drive that was not manually set to be master, and taking its masterful place as the last disk on the cable. I usually just make them solo. Once booting from the network, you have lots of options, including the network boot of a Puppy or a DSL iso. have fun --scott From rowens at ptd.net Thu Oct 15 00:11:34 2009 From: rowens at ptd.net (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:11:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients In-Reply-To: <778412130910141106s766a6faetd70df845c75b34f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <778412130910110844k7119acbdo92d289dabd3c0a50@mail.gmail.com> <200910111818.54098.klaus@skolelinux.no> <778412130910121007xa4a3c54u9f34e8cf93d3790b@mail.gmail.com> <4AD3F2D6.9000608@cmosnetworks.com> <778412130910132259u20e31b71wa35c47dc45b512db@mail.gmail.com> <4AD5EE45.4050201@cmosnetworks.com> <778412130910141106s766a6faetd70df845c75b34f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091015001134.GB31055@aurora.owens.net> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:36:36PM +0530, raju VK wrote: > I was about to try this method. But I am facing a peculiar problem. The > oldest HDDs I currently have is of 39 pin. But the connector on board is of > 40 pins. When I tried to boot the PC by connecting one of these HDDs, (with > (DOS), the PC refuses to start. I tried by flipping the cable ( to check > whether it is fitted reversley). Once the HDD is disconnected, the PC starts > without any problem. > Any clue what went wrong ? > > Regards, > Raju > If you can't get this working, you can also boot from a CD or a USB device to accomplish the same end result. -Rob > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:59 PM, "Terrell Prud? Jr." < > microman at cmosnetworks.com> wrote: > > > Also remember that even though the floppy drives aren't working, you can > > accomplish the same thing with the hard disk instead. What I do in this > > case is pull the old box's hard disk out of it, install it in another > > GNU/Linux or other UNIX-style box, and then "cat" the Rom-O-Matic image to > > the hard disk, like so. This example is for the 3Com 3C905 series, and it > > assumes the old box's hard disk shows up as /dev/hdb. > > > > terrell at thinclientmaker$ su - root > > Password: (enter root's password here) > > root at thinclientmaker# cat eb-5.4.4-3c90x.zdsk > /dev/hdb > > root at thinclientmaker# halt > > > > Then, just pop this new "EtherBoot hard disk" back into the old box and > > boot from it. If you set up one box to do all your old hard disks this way, > > it goes pretty quickly. I did something similar with some EIDE Sun Ultra 5 > > hard disks a few years back (I used an x86 machine for the cat'ing), and I > > had ten hard disks all config'd in about 20 minutes. > > > > --TP > > _______________________________ > > Do you GNU ? > > Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate > > antivirus protection! > > > > > > raju VK wrote: > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Hardware vendors and other people were not > > sure of this. That is why I posted it. This assumes significance as the > > floppy drives on al these machines are not working. Therefore I have > > decided to give a try even if the query is not answered. > > > > > > > > with many thanks, > > Raju > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:54 AM, "Terrell Prud? Jr." < > > microman at cmosnetworks.com> wrote: > > > >> Actually, it was answered, but perhaps you're not understanding just what > >> it is we're saying here. Any card that supports PXE-booting is just such a > >> card as you describe, with its own boot ROM on it. > >> > >> Here's some additional information as well. If you have any 3Com 3C905 > >> cards handy (either the original or the "B" variant), you'll notice a socket > >> for a chip. That socket is where you'd put the boot ROM for that card. If > >> you do put that in, then your PC will happily boot from the network. Jim > >> McQuillan sells these chips for several types of network card, not just > >> 3C905's. But what if you don't happen to have that chip, and your employer > >> will not pop for these chips? That's when you "substitute" the boot ROM > >> chip for a floppy disk, hard disk, or CD-ROM with that same boot ROM image > >> on it. It accomplishes exactly the same thing. > >> > >> Hopefully this helps to clear some things up. > >> > >> --TP > >> _______________________________ > >> Do you GNU ? > >> Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate > >> antivirus protection! > >> > >> > >> raju VK wrote: > >> > >> Thanks for all the replies. But even now my question is not properly > >> answered. It is simply, if I use a new network card with boot ROM, > >> whether I can boot in to a network even if the boot options does not have > >> an entry for network card as boot device. > >> > >> From the replies I assume the answer is negative and the only option is > >> to use a boot floppy. > >> > >> regards, > >> Raju > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Klaus Ade Johnstad >> > wrote: > >> > >>> S?ndag 11. oktober 2009 17.44.09 skrev raju VK : > >>> > I have successfully installed the terminal server on my fc10 > >>> > desktop.. Now my question is now I can use some vintage (1998/99) > >>> > PCs as clients. The PCs has no option to boot from network. Other > >>> > wise they are still functional. If I use a network card with boot > >>> > ROM can I connect these PCs to the terminal server ?. I googling the > >>> > net last two days does not yield any result. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > with thanks in advance, > >>> > Raju > >>> > > >>> > >>> One person that is using realy old PC as clients (like i486 w/4MB ram) > >>> is Alberto Castillo from Argentina. Search the listarchives for mail > >>> from him, Alberto Castillo > >>> > >>> That would be a good startin point. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Klaus Ade > >>> 67E61D18B2C44F8A3DA35C6D849F9F5F 26FA477D > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing listK12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing listK12OSN at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From odin at gnuskole.no Thu Oct 15 09:51:47 2009 From: odin at gnuskole.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Odin_N=F8sen?=) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:51:47 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Different types of video cards how to manage In-Reply-To: <5311B5168EF74831A7AA9B2255925CD3@lordwick> References: <778412130910121130v4defb6dx9e096d80b45db184@mail.gmail.com> <5311B5168EF74831A7AA9B2255925CD3@lordwick> Message-ID: <20091015094952.M39159@gnuskole.no> > If you get the intel 845 running from the server let me know how you managed > that. My video refuses to work no matter what I do. I've got the same problem. Some Intel 845-machines does work, other doesn't. This usually works (in lts.conf): [10.0.1.193] XSERVER = vesa But there are limitations with resolutions (and speed). Odin From brcisna at eazylivin.net Thu Oct 15 20:52:51 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:52:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] using really old PCs as clients Message-ID: <1255639971.31439.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Raju, Here is a very nice setup for older pc's that have nics stuck in them and has a minimum whopping 10mb HD! ed_on_hd.ima is an image you put on a floppy,boot your old pc's from your floppy disk,and this floppy will wipe the hard drive,auto detect the nic inside,and install the correct drivers,for the nic. Takes about 5 mins per box once you get the routine going! This setup at least lets you use " what you have" already. If some of the boxes do not have floppy drives in them simply temporarily hang a floppy on each one to setup the hard drive then remove the floppy again. the only downside to this setup you hear the HD's whinning,which some of them old animals the HD's really sing,,,:). http://etherboot.anadex.de/ Take Care, Barry Cisna From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Oct 15 22:03:44 2009 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:03:44 -1000 (HST) Subject: [K12OSN] Duplicate Icons in Edutainment Message-ID: <44184.206.195.188.253.1255644224.squirrel@wilsonch.gotdns.com> Anyone encountered this problem on your CentOS LTSPv4.2 installs? Some of my Edutainment apps have duplicate icons (GTK+ Equation Grapher & tuxmath). Is there a way to globally fix this without touching each profile by hand? Thanks! Wilson From keaton.prower at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 05:50:41 2009 From: keaton.prower at gmail.com (Keaton) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:50:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh commands In-Reply-To: References: <20090925160034.ABCD28E05B4@hormel.redhat.com> <1253896512.29325.105.camel@localhost.localdomain> <849aa2ca0910072307p269e9706xb934ddef8d8204f0@mail.gmail.com> <20091008221219.GG7090@aurora.owens.net> Message-ID: <849aa2ca0910172250r727eae04q6437212723f90e8b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM, R. Scott Belford wrote: > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Conrad Lawes > wrote: > >> > >> > I concur with William. I am still amazed that folks are still using > vnc > >> > when freenx or nomachine is sooo much faster and easier to setup > than > >> > vnc. > >> > > >> > Out-of-the-box freenx is more secure since it uses the ssh protocol > by > >> > default. > >> > > >> > > >> > http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FreeNX < > http://goog_1253883863086> > >> > > >> > http://www.nomachine.com/download.php > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM, William Fragakis < > william at fragakis.com>wrote: > >> > > >> >> Using freenx server (I've had better luck with the nxclients as > opposed > >> >> to the freenx clients) has worked for me to have a full remote > desktop > >> >> via ssh. > >> >> > >> >> William > >> > >> Interesting, I hadn't heard of this software before now. I presume it's > >> closed-source though, considering the links for 'enterprise evaluation > >> versions' of the software on the download page. Still, seems worth > looking > >> at for me. Since we switched from CentOS 5 to Ubuntu 9.04, we've been > unable > >> to replicate the former's prebuilt VNC setup. > > > > NX Server is proprietary, but FreeNX is not. > > > > -Rob > > With respect to the use of FreeNX, part of my Utopian setup is a > CentOS server running a paravirtualized, Edubuntu-themed desktop, a > paravirtualized Debian Desktop providing DRBL services, and a > paravirtualized LDAP/NFS/SAMBA/PDC server. Both the CentOS server and > the Ubuntu Desktop accept connections via FreeNX. The compression > algorithm is outstanding, and the packages are maintained in > repositories. > > A client, be it a PXE booting netbook, a USB booting netbook, or any > computer running a nxclient, connects, compresses, authenticates, > loads a profile, and gets going. Here's the thing - the client can be > in your LAN, it can at the students' home, it can be one of our > transitional homeless in Hawaii using a netbook through free public > wifi, from the hospital if your kid is sick, on vacation if you are > traveling, etc., etc., etc. The magical gigabit connection we are > used to seeking is automagically compressed into the freenx connection > wherever you choose to make your LAN. > > Utopian LAN - all desktop are BIOS locked to pxe/etherboot/gpxe boot. > Boot options, be they from flash, pxe, hard drive, pxe to http, etc - > are controlled by the gpxe boot menu and administered remotely. How > does one achieve, and how will google achieve, the ubiquitous roaming > Desktop via the web - the NX compression integrated into the BIOS or > as part of your pre-configured flash drive. I've been doing it with > my netbooks since last year, and it's scary good. > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Wow, I've daydreamed about setups like that but I didn't think the technology actually existed! If only out budget were bigger... =) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Oct 18 13:22:40 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:22:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Mapping software Message-ID: <1255872160.14554.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello List, Just curious if anyone on the board here has found a decent mapping software for Linux? I have tried RoadNav/(Navit) but it is just too clunky for decent functionality. I am sure the developers have put in a lot of time getting this software to the point it is. I tried making an install of M$ Streets and Trips (2009) but it is just too heavy for wine to find all the bits to link to,etc. I am guessing using Google maps is just what will have to work? Was wanting something that trips could be figured up 'offline'. Thanks for any ideas. Take Care, Barry Cisna From micha at arava.co.il Sun Oct 18 19:55:23 2009 From: micha at arava.co.il (Micha Silver) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:55:23 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Mapping software In-Reply-To: <1255872160.14554.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1255872160.14554.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4ADB72AB.4020108@arava.co.il> Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Just curious if anyone on the board here has found a decent mapping > software for Linux? I have tried RoadNav/(Navit) but it is just too > clunky for decent functionality. I am sure the developers have put in a > lot of time getting this software to the point it is. I tried making an > install of M$ Streets and Trips (2009) but it is just too heavy for wine > to find all the bits to link to,etc. I am guessing using Google maps is > just what will have to work? Was wanting something that trips could be > figured up 'offline'. Thanks for any ideas. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > Hello Barry: If you're interested in mapping as in GIS, then there's a wealth of software to choose from. You might start at the osgeo.org or freegis.org websites to get an overview of the web mapping applications, desktop apps, databases etc. Worthy of special mention is the OpenStreetMap project, a wiki-like data set of street maps and points of interest, collected and uploaded by users, and slowly expanding across the globe. OSM data can be viewed online and downloaded, viewed, and manipulated (i.e. add your own street...) with the desktop application QGIS and a GPS, using the OpenStreetMap plugin. At the "high end" there's PostGIS, an enterprise class geo-enabled database, and GRASS, the grand daddy of FOSS GIS analysis. If you're looking for a GPS routing program, based on OS software, I know there's something afoot. See: http://industry.slashgeo.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/19/215236 but I don't know how far along they are. Regards, Micha > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > This mail was received via Mail-SeCure System. > > > From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 02:56:08 2009 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:26:08 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Mapping software In-Reply-To: <4ADB72AB.4020108@arava.co.il> References: <1255872160.14554.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4ADB72AB.4020108@arava.co.il> Message-ID: <774593a20910181956y71891beflce37cfc672a5242e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/19 Micha Silver : >> Hello List, >> >> Just curious if anyone on the board here has found a decent mapping >> software for Linux? I have tried RoadNav/(Navit) but it is just too >> clunky for decent functionality. I am sure the developers have put in a Try viking. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. 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Even when on Fedora 10, the monitor resolution was not an issue. As long as the monitors are plug-and-play the resolution adjusts autmatically to the native resolution of the monitor without any issue. reb From news at siddall.name Mon Oct 19 18:11:42 2009 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:11:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 install how to on top of Centos 64 bit 5.x In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0910191001i20898609l95cda81a679b8621@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0910191001i20898609l95cda81a679b8621@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ADCABDE.1090500@siddall.name> Jim Christiansen wrote: > I need the 64 > bit version as this server has 6 gigs of ram. I have 8 GB RAM and I just run the i386 distro with the PAE kernel. Jeff From jon.williams52 at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 20:09:20 2009 From: jon.williams52 at gmail.com (Jon Williams) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:09:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing screen resolution In-Reply-To: <20091019170614.EFDE7C41FACA4@althea.taco.com> References: <20091019170614.EFDE7C41FACA4@althea.taco.com> Message-ID: Ah ok. I had one of my test workstations pop up with a 1600x1200 resolution on an old 19" CRT monitor. That's something I just know our users would complain about. Everyone in the company is used to a 1024x768 resolution. Is there a way to force a certain resolution? I've got one older user who simply insists on a 800x640 resolution! On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Phydeaux wrote: > At 08:40 AM 10/19/09, Jon Williams wrote: > >What's the best way to manage screen resolution across a wide variety of > workstations? I've got a hodge podge of client computers and monitors. I'm > currently experimenting with the fedora 10 version of k12linux. 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That's something I just know > our users would complain about. Everyone in the company is used to a > 1024x768 resolution. > > Is there a way to force a certain resolution? I've got one older user > who simply insists on a 800x640 resolution! > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Phydeaux wrote: > At 08:40 AM 10/19/09, Jon Williams wrote: > >What's the best way to manage screen resolution across a wide > variety of workstations? I've got a hodge podge of client > computers and monitors. I'm currently experimenting with the > fedora 10 version of k12linux. I've been searching google and > experimenting but am still a bit lost. > > > >I appreciate the help. I have an opportunity to move about > 200 workstations over to something better than a Windows XP / > Samba server environment. I'm trying to convince our owner > that we don't need to switch to a horribly expensive Citrix > environment. > > > We're on Fedora 11. Even when on Fedora 10, the monitor > resolution > was not an issue. As long as the monitors are plug-and-play > the resolution > adjusts autmatically to the native resolution of the monitor > without any > issue. > > reb > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Most users don't know and better (and frankly, in windows, there isn't any good way to increase icon and font sizes globally) so they just lower the screen resolution and make everything bigger at the cost of making everything fuzzy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkrdPMAACgkQxWV7OPa/g5E3BwCfdDTli0h/KRngIgLMs7yBuMsD VBsAn10bbKxicfvful2qQv1ysacY6ZhL =TMN8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From william at fragakis.com Tue Oct 20 16:59:41 2009 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:59:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 install how to on top of Centos 64 bit 5.x In-Reply-To: <20091020160034.2C8EB8E0023@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20091020160034.2C8EB8E0023@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1256057981.4097.199.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> A few thoughts: 1 - trying to install a k12ltsp on top of vanilla install requires some intimacy with the finer workings of ltsp. If you have to remember how you did it last time, you may want to stick to a stock install 2 - As mentioned elsewhere, PAE kernel 3 - Since drives now run $30-40, it's worth doing a clone installation (say, using dd) and sticking it on a shelf somewhere. Given what your time is worth (or things you'd rather be doing), it's cheap insurance. In fact, I recommend for businesses, since hardware is so cheap, just build a clone machine and stick it in a closet (or have it synch up nightly or even hourly to an active box). When an ltsp server could run $1200-1500, it wasn't cost efficient. Now that you can buy a dual core, couple gig RAM box for $300-400, it is. regards, William On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:01:23 -0600 > From: Jim Christiansen > Subject: [K12OSN] K12 install how to on top of Centos 64 bit 5.x > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <8b88203f0910191001i20898609l95cda81a679b8621 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Everyone, > > Well, on schedule it seems, one of my K12LTSP servers has had its > drive > fail. I seem to need to replace one of the three server drives every > couple > of years... Just long enough for me to forget how I did it last time. > > I have backups of /home, /opt, /etc ... > > The last time I had to do this I did an http install from a webserver > directory that I had altered with proper centos 64 image files. The > K12LTSP5 iso is missing the proper image and won't boot. I need the > 64 bit > version as this server has 6 gigs of ram. > > Is there a fixed EL5 64 iso or ...Does anyone have a nice quick how-to > filed > away anywhere? > > Thanks, > > Jim From dhhoward at comcast.net Tue Oct 20 17:22:21 2009 From: dhhoward at comcast.net (dhhoward at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [K12OSN] Hi tech classroom with no student PCs In-Reply-To: <1256057981.4097.199.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> Message-ID: <544925775.222111256059341586.JavaMail.root@sz0164a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I just attended a seminar where someone did a demo of a telepresence system in a classroom. It was an advanced high school chemistry class and the kids been collaborating with a local tech university, and were involved in all kinds of cool nanotechnology education stuff, carbon nanotubes, scanning electron microscope digital images, etc. The system cost the school about $10-15k for one classroom, and the quality of the video was very good, in fact I could see the entire classroom pretty well. Which is why during the Q&A, your humble correspondent had to ask "How many computers do you have in your classroom?" The answer was... one teacher computer. That's it, no student computers. This is 2009, and an advanced (AP) high school chemistry class has no student computers. And no, the students didn't have laptops either. Just think what this crowd could do with $10-15k... Daniel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I used XSERVER = i810, in the lts.conf, for the client, there is no window at all. on XSERVER=vesa, I getting a working screen / window but the resolution is only 600x480, which is not useful. the client was perfectly working when RH9 was installed on HDD, and the video driver was i810. As the server is using ATI card, do I require to copy / install any i810 files to get it properly worked on the client. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Almquist Burke wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:00 PM, Steven James Drinnan wrote: > > Just a thought, do the users like these resolutions or just bigger text. >> Maybe it would be better if you asked if they would prefer larger fonts. >> That way the screen resolution would be preserved but they would be able >> to see everything more clearly. >> > > > Wow, I just wanted to say that this is a huge pet peeve of mine. Most users > don't know and better (and frankly, in windows, there isn't any good way to > increase icon and font sizes globally) so they just lower the screen > resolution and make everything bigger at the cost of making everything > fuzzy. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkrdPMAACgkQxWV7OPa/g5E3BwCfdDTli0h/KRngIgLMs7yBuMsD > VBsAn10bbKxicfvful2qQv1ysacY6ZhL > =TMN8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hosef.org Wed Oct 21 20:27:36 2009 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:27:36 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Gx260's In-Reply-To: <200910210935.43334.klaus@skolelinux.no> References: <200910210935.43334.klaus@skolelinux.no> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Klaus Ade Johnstad wrote: > ?Onsdag 14. oktober 2009 16.11.56 skrev Joe Dow : >> Hey all, >> >> Again I'm gonna ask about the Dell Gx260's as no one seems to have >> ?given me a suitable answer. ?The problem is with the intel video, >> ?wondering if anyone has successfully gotten these up and running, >> ?and if so. How?? >> >> Joe >> > > I have some of these, and with Debian Lenny, they "just work". Can you > describe your problem? Have you checked BIOS to see how much RAM is allocated to the Video Card. I have had issues with Dells that have onboard video. It was not until I allocated more shared memory to the card that the K12LTSP worked. Perhaps this will help. --scott From hm at motah.co.uk Wed Oct 21 22:24:16 2009 From: hm at motah.co.uk (Hamlesh [Personal]) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:24:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mixed network environment - using LTSP server for routing too Message-ID: Howdy, Just deployed LTSP at work, loving it, solves many many many problems I've had in the past with overheads of reinstalling machines etc etc etc. Currently deploying it at home, for 3 users, I've read through the docs but struggling with one thing. Home setup; CABLE MODEM | | CABLE ROUTER | | LTSP SERVER | SWITCH | CLIENTS Now, ideally I'd like to use the LTSP server to both boot thin clients from, but also as the DHCP/DNS/gateway for other clients. Such as my laptop which is also plugged into the switch (albeit via wifi). The laptop picks up an IP from the LTSP DHCP server, but I can't route traffic through. What changes should I make? I'd like any fat clients to simply treat it as they would the cable router, and dont want want to plug the devices into the cable router as i'd like to keep the network topology flat. Thanks :) From charlie at smbis.com Wed Oct 21 22:43:02 2009 From: charlie at smbis.com (Charlie) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:43:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mixed network environment - using LTSP server for routing too In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1256164982.4600.19.camel@cws2.localdomain> Check out this link: http://techgurulive.com/2008/09/15/how-to-enable-ip-forwarding-in-linux-2/ On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 23:24 +0100, Hamlesh [Personal] wrote: > Howdy, > > Just deployed LTSP at work, loving it, solves many many many problems > I've had in the past with overheads of reinstalling machines etc etc > etc. > > Currently deploying it at home, for 3 users, I've read through the > docs but struggling with one thing. > > Home setup; > > CABLE MODEM > | > | > CABLE ROUTER > | > | > LTSP SERVER > | > SWITCH > | > CLIENTS > > Now, ideally I'd like to use the LTSP server to both boot thin clients > from, but also as the DHCP/DNS/gateway for other clients. Such as my > laptop which is also plugged into the switch (albeit via wifi). The > laptop picks up an IP from the LTSP DHCP server, but I can't route > traffic through. > > What changes should I make? I'd like any fat clients to simply treat > it as they would the cable router, and dont want want to plug the > devices into the cable router as i'd like to keep the network topology > flat. > > Thanks :) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lesmikesell at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 22:47:54 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:47:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mixed network environment - using LTSP server for routing too In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ADF8F9A.7080707@gmail.com> Hamlesh [Personal] wrote: > Howdy, > > Just deployed LTSP at work, loving it, solves many many many problems > I've had in the past with overheads of reinstalling machines etc etc > etc. > > Currently deploying it at home, for 3 users, I've read through the > docs but struggling with one thing. > > Home setup; > > CABLE MODEM > | > | > CABLE ROUTER > | > | > LTSP SERVER > | > SWITCH > | > CLIENTS > > Now, ideally I'd like to use the LTSP server to both boot thin clients > from, but also as the DHCP/DNS/gateway for other clients. Such as my > laptop which is also plugged into the switch (albeit via wifi). The > laptop picks up an IP from the LTSP DHCP server, but I can't route > traffic through. > > What changes should I make? I'd like any fat clients to simply treat > it as they would the cable router, and dont want want to plug the > devices into the cable router as i'd like to keep the network topology > flat. What version are you using? If it is a K12LTSP install, it should be set up by default. 'service nat restart' should make sure it is running. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From hm at motah.co.uk Wed Oct 21 23:15:00 2009 From: hm at motah.co.uk (Hamlesh [Personal]) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:15:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mixed network environment - using LTSP server for routing too In-Reply-To: References: <4ADF8F9A.7080707@gmail.com> Message-ID: Neither worked :( "service nat restart" yields: "nat: unrecognized service" enabling ipv4 forwarding doesnt seem to route the traffic. Any other ideas? H From hm at motah.co.uk Wed Oct 21 22:55:05 2009 From: hm at motah.co.uk (Hamlesh [Personal]) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:55:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mixed network environment - using LTSP server for routing too In-Reply-To: <4ADF8F9A.7080707@gmail.com> References: <4ADF8F9A.7080707@gmail.com> Message-ID: > What version are you using? ?If it is a K12LTSP install, it should be set up > by default. ?'service nat restart' should make sure it is running. k12linux-f10-x86_64-stable4 I'll give that a go once the home LTSP server starts behaving. Just installed it to disk, but on a software RAID1 setup, think its making it stall. If the "service nat restart" doesn't do it I suspect that Charlie's IP forwarding should fix it - I assumed all that would be enabled as standard. H :) From lesmikesell at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 23:32:34 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:32:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mixed network environment - using LTSP server for routing too In-Reply-To: References: <4ADF8F9A.7080707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ADF9A12.5010507@gmail.com> Hamlesh [Personal] wrote: > Neither worked :( > > "service nat restart" yields: "nat: unrecognized service" > > enabling ipv4 forwarding doesnt seem to route the traffic. > > Any other ideas? That means you didn't use the K12LTSP distro that installs a lot of nice stuff for you. Below is the 'nat' init script. Change the PUBLIC_ETHERNET interface at the top if needed and fix any wrapped lines. #!/bin/sh # # # # Version: 0.0.3 # # chkconfig: 2345 90 10 # description: Starts and stops Network Address Translation for 12Linux/LTS # PUBLIC_ETHERNET="eth1" # Source function library. . /etc/init.d/functions start() { echo -n "Starting up Network Address Translation: " # Load the NAT module (this pulls in all the others). modprobe iptable_nat # In the NAT table (-t nat), Append a rule (-A) after routing # (POSTROUTING) for all packets going out eth1 (-o eth1) which says to # MASQUERADE the connection (-j MASQUERADE). iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $PUBLIC_ETHERNET -j MASQUERADE # Turn on IP forwarding echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward echo return 0 } stop() { echo -n "Stopping Network Address Translation: " echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING -o $PUBLIC_ETHERNET -j MASQUERADE echo return 0 } restart() { stop start } case "$1" in start) start ;; stop) stop ;; restart|reload) restart ;; *) echo "*** Usage: nat {start|stop|restart}" exit 1 esac ##### From hm at motah.co.uk Wed Oct 21 23:42:32 2009 From: hm at motah.co.uk (Hamlesh [Personal]) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:42:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mixed network environment - using LTSP server for routing too In-Reply-To: <4ADF9A12.5010507@gmail.com> References: <4ADF8F9A.7080707@gmail.com> <4ADF9A12.5010507@gmail.com> Message-ID: > That means you didn't use the K12LTSP distro that installs a lot of nice > stuff for you. Ah according to k12ltsp.org K12Linux was the more modern version, so I assumed that was the better version! > Below is the 'nat' init script. ?Change the PUBLIC_ETHERNET interface at the > top if needed and fix any wrapped lines. Tried that and executed it, still no joy :( H From lesmikesell at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 00:46:27 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:46:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mixed network environment - using LTSP server for routing too In-Reply-To: References: <4ADF8F9A.7080707@gmail.com> <4ADF9A12.5010507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ADFAB63.9090505@gmail.com> Hamlesh [Personal] wrote: >> That means you didn't use the K12LTSP distro that installs a lot of nice >> stuff for you. > > Ah according to k12ltsp.org K12Linux was the more modern version, so I > assumed that was the better version! It is better in that it has a later version of LTSP, but now LTSP is just a package that fedora can include where K12LTSP was a distribution that included a bunch of stuff you were likely to want and scripts to make it come up working. > >> Below is the 'nat' init script. Change the PUBLIC_ETHERNET interface at the >> top if needed and fix any wrapped lines. > > Tried that and executed it, still no joy :( Can you be a little more specific about how it fails? And try the commands that it runs with 'start' separately to see what it needs? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From peter at scheie.homedns.org Thu Oct 22 01:20:25 2009 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:20:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mixed network environment - using LTSP server for routing too In-Reply-To: References: <4ADF8F9A.7080707@gmail.com> <4ADF9A12.5010507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ADFB359.3050804@scheie.homedns.org> Hamlesh [Personal] wrote: >> That means you didn't use the K12LTSP distro that installs a lot of nice >> stuff for you. > > Ah according to k12ltsp.org K12Linux was the more modern version, so I > assumed that was the better version! > > >> Below is the 'nat' init script. Change the PUBLIC_ETHERNET interface at the >> top if needed and fix any wrapped lines. > > Tried that and executed it, still no joy :( > K12LTSP has this enabled by default; K12Linux does not. To enable it: * echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward * edit /etc/sysctl.conf to make that permanent * iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE * iptables-save * service dnsmasq start The first two turn on forwarding, which is the primary requirement. The next two tell iptables to allow port forwarding; if iptables is turned off, they are unnecessary. The last one is to provide a DNS service to the fat client. Remember that thin client's apps are running on the server so they use the DNS server listed in /etc/resolv.conf. On the TC segment, however, dhcpd.conf tells clients that the nameserver is the LTSP server, meaning there needs to be a nameserver running on the LTSP server. That's what dnsmasq does. Peter From hm at motah.co.uk Thu Oct 22 07:43:47 2009 From: hm at motah.co.uk (Hamlesh [Personal]) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:43:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mixed network environment - using LTSP server for routing too In-Reply-To: <4ADFB359.3050804@scheie.homedns.org> References: <4ADF8F9A.7080707@gmail.com> <4ADF9A12.5010507@gmail.com> <4ADFB359.3050804@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: > * echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > * edit /etc/sysctl.conf to make that permanent > * iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE > * iptables-save > * service dnsmasq start Sweet - that works :D Will dnsmasq start by default now? H From lesmikesell at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 13:41:09 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:41:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mixed network environment - using LTSP server for routing too In-Reply-To: References: <4ADF8F9A.7080707@gmail.com> <4ADF9A12.5010507@gmail.com> <4ADFB359.3050804@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <4AE060F5.7030304@gmail.com> Hamlesh [Personal] wrote: >> * echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward >> * edit /etc/sysctl.conf to make that permanent >> * iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE >> * iptables-save >> * service dnsmasq start > > Sweet - that works :D > > Will dnsmasq start by default now? Those should be essentially the same commands as the nat init script that I posted from K12LTSP ran except it specified an interface for the MASQUERADE. If you can figure out why it didn't work you can use the service command to control it. In general, things run by init scripts are controlled by the 'service' command so 'service service_name on' starts them once. If you want them to start automatically it is "chkconfig service_name on" or use "chkconfig --list service_name" to see whether it is on or off at each run level. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 18:40:42 2009 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:40:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice "Error While Printing" In-Reply-To: <47C7E4DE-4B8C-4DF7-86E9-A51288CE5F4F@inlandlakes.org> References: <47C7E4DE-4B8C-4DF7-86E9-A51288CE5F4F@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560910221140u11470e81se0dd3f26845758eb@mail.gmail.com> Hey Shawn, Did you ever figure out what exactly happened? Same thing here. Thanks, Peter On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm running a couple K12LTSP 6.0 servers, and one of them will no longer > print from OpenOffice. ?All other programs work fine, but when printing in > OpenOffice 2.0.4, after picking which printer to print to, a dialog box > comes up that says, "Error While Printing" -- and of course, nothing prints. > > I've googled a bit, but so far found nothing helpful... > > The same version on a different server is working fine, and restarting cups > hasn't made a difference. ?I've never had a problem like this with > OpenOffice, so I'm not even sure where to start poking around. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > -Shawn Powers > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Oct 22 22:15:06 2009 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:15:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing screen resolution In-Reply-To: <778412130910211044t74fbe09r5f43e565dd26852f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091019170614.EFDE7C41FACA4@althea.taco.com> <1256011222.4785.24.camel@mylaptop.myhome> <7C895697-555F-46C6-A001-6399C3F0FA9C@thealmquists.net> <778412130910211044t74fbe09r5f43e565dd26852f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1256249706.9923.15.camel@bart.nr.symbio-technologies.com> Hi, everybody. I figured I would chime in on forcing video modes. In part, it depends upon what version of LTSP5 you are using, but I will talk about things in the most recent sense. Oh, also, anyone using "i810" for an intel card on a modern Linux distro, probably shouldn't. "i810" was abandoned in favor of the "intel" driver. But, that's just a side point. Also, not that "vesa" only has "vesa" modes, so no widescreen options, no matter how much you try to force it. So if its a widescreen resolution you're after, best not to use "vesa". Now, onto forcing video modes... In the latest version of LTSP5, by default, we look towards the video drivers' "Xrandr" capabilities to adjust the screen resolution. For those of you unfamiliar with Xrandr, it is a mechanism supported by most drivers to adjust video settings on the fly, without restarting the Xserver or hardcoding settings in the Xserver configuration file. To wit, there are a set of lts.conf variables prefixed with XRANDR_, such as: XRANDR_MODE_0 = "1024x768" (check the docs for a complete list of XRANDR_ variables for lts.conf) So, this is the preferred way of setting the mode. If Xrandr cannot set the specified mode, it will fall back on the driver default, which is considerably more graceful than not starting the Xserver at all. If you find that you don't get the mode you want with the above setting, it may be because the mode cannot be achieved by the driver with the auto-detected sync frequencies for the attached monitor. So, you may want to force: X_VERTREFRESH = "55-75" X_HORZSYNC = "30-100" (substituting the above ranges for those for the attached monitor). If you still cannot get the mode, you can fall back on not using Xrandr at all, and go back to the old way with: XRANDR_DISABLE = True X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 If this still does not result in the desired mode, best to get a shell on the thin client itself, and look at the thin client's log file in /var/log/Xorg.*.log to see why the driver failed to give you the mode you requested. Hope this helps, -Gadi PS: Of course, all of the above can be done on a per-workstation basis by putting the parameters in the appropriate MAC-address-delineated section of your lts.conf file On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 23:14 +0530, raju VK wrote: > But the basic question is still unanswered. > > How to set individual clients video / graphic settings?. > I myself is struggling to set the video for some 845G chipset clients. > The auto detected screen /window is corrupted and is not responding. > When I used XSERVER = i810, in the lts.conf, for the client, there is > no window at all. on XSERVER=vesa, I getting a working screen / window > but the resolution is only 600x480, which is not useful. > the client was perfectly working when RH9 was installed on HDD, and > the video driver was i810. > As the server is using ATI card, do I require to copy / install any > i810 files to get it properly worked on the client. > > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Almquist Burke > wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:00 PM, Steven James Drinnan wrote: > > Just a thought, do the users like these resolutions or > just bigger text. > Maybe it would be better if you asked if they would > prefer larger fonts. > That way the screen resolution would be preserved but > they would be able > to see everything more clearly. > > > > Wow, I just wanted to say that this is a huge pet peeve of > mine. Most users don't know and better (and frankly, in > windows, there isn't any good way to increase icon and font > sizes globally) so they just lower the screen resolution and > make everything bigger at the cost of making everything fuzzy. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkrdPMAACgkQxWV7OPa/g5E3BwCfdDTli0h/KRngIgLMs7yBuMsD > VBsAn10bbKxicfvful2qQv1ysacY6ZhL > =TMN8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Pay It Forward! Intel Atom 1.6GHz, 512MB RAM + Symbiont Boot Stick = $275 10% of order goes to school or open source project of your choice! Buy yourself a lab or office and use your donation to set up a school, pay for a desperately needed feature added to a software package, or sponsor part of LTSP's annual developer's conference LTSP-by-the-sea! Check out: http://www.symbio-technologies.com/payitforward From daleif at imf.au.dk Fri Oct 23 09:00:22 2009 From: daleif at imf.au.dk (Lars Madsen) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:00:22 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing screen resolution In-Reply-To: <1256249706.9923.15.camel@bart.nr.symbio-technologies.com> References: <20091019170614.EFDE7C41FACA4@althea.taco.com> <1256011222.4785.24.camel@mylaptop.myhome> <7C895697-555F-46C6-A001-6399C3F0FA9C@thealmquists.net> <778412130910211044t74fbe09r5f43e565dd26852f@mail.gmail.com> <1256249706.9923.15.camel@bart.nr.symbio-technologies.com> Message-ID: <4AE170A6.2070604@imf.au.dk> Gideon Romm wrote: > Hi, everybody. I figured I would chime in on forcing video modes. In > part, it depends upon what version of LTSP5 you are using, but I will > talk about things in the most recent sense. > > Oh, also, anyone using "i810" for an intel card on a modern Linux > distro, probably shouldn't. "i810" was abandoned in favor of the > "intel" driver. But, that's just a side point. Also, not that "vesa" > only has "vesa" modes, so no widescreen options, no matter how much you > try to force it. So if its a widescreen resolution you're after, best > not to use "vesa". > > Now, onto forcing video modes... > > In the latest version of LTSP5, by default, we look towards the video > drivers' "Xrandr" capabilities to adjust the screen resolution. For > those of you unfamiliar with Xrandr, it is a mechanism supported by most > drivers to adjust video settings on the fly, without restarting the > Xserver or hardcoding settings in the Xserver configuration file. To > wit, there are a set of lts.conf variables prefixed with XRANDR_, such > as: > > XRANDR_MODE_0 = "1024x768" > > (check the docs for a complete list of XRANDR_ variables for lts.conf) > > So, this is the preferred way of setting the mode. If Xrandr cannot set > the specified mode, it will fall back on the driver default, which is > considerably more graceful than not starting the Xserver at all. > > If you find that you don't get the mode you want with the above setting, > it may be because the mode cannot be achieved by the driver with the > auto-detected sync frequencies for the attached monitor. So, you may > want to force: > > X_VERTREFRESH = "55-75" > X_HORZSYNC = "30-100" > > (substituting the above ranges for those for the attached monitor). > > If you still cannot get the mode, you can fall back on not using Xrandr > at all, and go back to the old way with: > > XRANDR_DISABLE = True > X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 > > If this still does not result in the desired mode, best to get a shell > on the thin client itself, and look at the thin client's log file > in /var/log/Xorg.*.log to see why the driver failed to give you the mode > you requested. > > Hope this helps, > > -Gadi > > PS: Of course, all of the above can be done on a per-workstation basis > by putting the parameters in the appropriate MAC-address-delineated > section of your lts.conf file > nice, thanks for this. Had a few problems earlier and didn't know about the XRANDR option, will try that later. /daleif From HBurroughs at hhprep.org Fri Oct 23 13:00:19 2009 From: HBurroughs at hhprep.org (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:00:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Firewalls & Routers done easy -> firehol Message-ID: <3437EBC2F7B463439E7CD8796349DCF2987526@enterprise.hhp.hhprep.org> I used to write iptables by hand.... In particular in the DENY everything then poke the holes through. I don't know if anyone on the list is using it, but I highly recommend "Firehol" http://firehol.sourceforge.net It generates the iptables commands from a separate configuration file that is really easy to understand and use. I use it as my network firewall/router and handle multiple interfaces (including vlans), ip forwarding/masquerading, a wireless DMZ, and eventually a full DMZ. I also do destination nat mangling with it as well. There are redhat compatable RPMS that you can just install from. In particular, it has a "try" mode so if you are modifying the configuration remotely and do something to lock yourself out it will revert to your previous firewall state after 30 seconds unless you "commit" the changes. It also is working beautifully with my squidguard proxy setup on the same host (transparent works nicely), and it should be fairly easy to lock down my outbound connection ports in the near future using firehol (and a whole lot easier to reverse the process if restricting ports causes us problems). Have a great weekend! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"i810" was abandoned in favor of the > "intel" driver. But, that's just a side point. Also, not that "vesa" > only has "vesa" modes, so no widescreen options, no matter how much you > try to force it. So if its a widescreen resolution you're after, best > not to use "vesa". > > Now, onto forcing video modes... > > In the latest version of LTSP5, by default, we look towards the video > drivers' "Xrandr" capabilities to adjust the screen resolution. For > those of you unfamiliar with Xrandr, it is a mechanism supported by most > drivers to adjust video settings on the fly, without restarting the > Xserver or hardcoding settings in the Xserver configuration file. To > wit, there are a set of lts.conf variables prefixed with XRANDR_, such > as: > > XRANDR_MODE_0 = "1024x768" > > (check the docs for a complete list of XRANDR_ variables for lts.conf) > > So, this is the preferred way of setting the mode. If Xrandr cannot set > the specified mode, it will fall back on the driver default, which is > considerably more graceful than not starting the Xserver at all. > > If you find that you don't get the mode you want with the above setting, > it may be because the mode cannot be achieved by the driver with the > auto-detected sync frequencies for the attached monitor. So, you may > want to force: > > X_VERTREFRESH = "55-75" > X_HORZSYNC = "30-100" > > (substituting the above ranges for those for the attached monitor). > > If you still cannot get the mode, you can fall back on not using Xrandr > at all, and go back to the old way with: > > XRANDR_DISABLE = True > X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 > > If this still does not result in the desired mode, best to get a shell > on the thin client itself, and look at the thin client's log file > in /var/log/Xorg.*.log to see why the driver failed to give you the mode > you requested. > > Hope this helps, > > -Gadi > > PS: Of course, all of the above can be done on a per-workstation basis > by putting the parameters in the appropriate MAC-address-delineated > section of your lts.conf file > > On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 23:14 +0530, raju VK wrote: > > But the basic question is still unanswered. > > > > How to set individual clients video / graphic settings?. > > I myself is struggling to set the video for some 845G chipset clients. > > The auto detected screen /window is corrupted and is not responding. > > When I used XSERVER = i810, in the lts.conf, for the client, there is > > no window at all. on XSERVER=vesa, I getting a working screen / window > > but the resolution is only 600x480, which is not useful. > > the client was perfectly working when RH9 was installed on HDD, and > > the video driver was i810. > > As the server is using ATI card, do I require to copy / install any > > i810 files to get it properly worked on the client. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Almquist Burke > > wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:00 PM, Steven James Drinnan wrote: > > > > Just a thought, do the users like these resolutions or > > just bigger text. > > Maybe it would be better if you asked if they would > > prefer larger fonts. > > That way the screen resolution would be preserved but > > they would be able > > to see everything more clearly. > > > > > > > > Wow, I just wanted to say that this is a huge pet peeve of > > mine. Most users don't know and better (and frankly, in > > windows, there isn't any good way to increase icon and font > > sizes globally) so they just lower the screen resolution and > > make everything bigger at the cost of making everything fuzzy. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAkrdPMAACgkQxWV7OPa/g5E3BwCfdDTli0h/KRngIgLMs7yBuMsD > > VBsAn10bbKxicfvful2qQv1ysacY6ZhL > > =TMN8 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer > ltsp at symbio-technologies.com > > Pay It Forward! > Intel Atom 1.6GHz, 512MB RAM + Symbiont Boot Stick = $275 > 10% of order goes to school or open source project of your choice! > > Buy yourself a lab or office and use your donation to set up a school, > pay for a desperately needed feature added to a software package, > or sponsor part of LTSP's annual developer's conference LTSP-by-the-sea! > > Check out: http://www.symbio-technologies.com/payitforward > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Tue Oct 27 00:03:50 2009 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:03:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up VNC remote support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AE638E6.3090903@scheie.homedns.org> Are you running K12LTSP or K12Linux? K12LTSP included fl_teachertool which allows you to do just what you want: see, and optionally control, any given user's screen. fl_teachertool is not quite ready for K12Linux, although Robert Arkiletian, the author, is working on it. Peter Jon Williams wrote: > I don't know why I'm having such a hard time with this but I'm having no > luck in configuring vnc support for my test LTSP server. What I would > like to do is be able to vnc into a end user's session and troubleshoot > any and all issues they may be having by viewing what they have on the > screen. > > The approach I've taken is by installing the vnc-ltsp-config package and > then tweaking Xinetd setting to try and get things to work. No matter > what I try however, ever vnc session I initiate gives me a gray screen > and nothing else. > > I know I'm making this harder then it has to be. Can anyone provide any > pointers on the best way to troubleshoot this? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 04:53:02 2009 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:53:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up VNC remote support In-Reply-To: <4AE638E6.3090903@scheie.homedns.org> References: <4AE638E6.3090903@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Peter Scheie wrote: > Are you running K12LTSP or K12Linux? ?K12LTSP included fl_teachertool which > allows you to do just what you want: see, and optionally control, any given > user's screen. ?fl_teachertool is not quite ready for K12Linux, although > Robert Arkiletian, the author, is working on it. Yes. I am almost done. I have been too busy to make that last push to finish it off. Hoping for some night this week to release a beta. I am not using ltsp any more so I can't really test it in production like I used to. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada From jon.williams52 at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 12:08:10 2009 From: jon.williams52 at gmail.com (Jon Williams) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:08:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up VNC remote support In-Reply-To: <4AE638E6.3090903@scheie.homedns.org> References: <4AE638E6.3090903@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: K12Linux. Thanks for the great info. I'll check out K12LTSP. My hope is to roll this out to about 40 of our agencies throughout 2 states. So I've got to get remote support to a point where it is very solid. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Peter Scheie wrote: > Are you running K12LTSP or K12Linux? K12LTSP included fl_teachertool which > allows you to do just what you want: see, and optionally control, any given > user's screen. fl_teachertool is not quite ready for K12Linux, although > Robert Arkiletian, the author, is working on it. > > Peter > > Jon Williams wrote: > >> I don't know why I'm having such a hard time with this but I'm having no >> luck in configuring vnc support for my test LTSP server. What I would like >> to do is be able to vnc into a end user's session and troubleshoot any and >> all issues they may be having by viewing what they have on the screen. >> >> The approach I've taken is by installing the vnc-ltsp-config package and >> then tweaking Xinetd setting to try and get things to work. No matter what >> I try however, ever vnc session I initiate gives me a gray screen and >> nothing else. >> I know I'm making this harder then it has to be. Can anyone provide any >> pointers on the best way to troubleshoot this? >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at siddall.name Tue Oct 27 15:10:00 2009 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:10:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up VNC remote support In-Reply-To: References: <4AE638E6.3090903@scheie.homedns.org> Message-ID: <4AE70D48.9010706@siddall.name> Jon Williams wrote: > K12Linux. Thanks for the great info. I'll check out K12LTSP. My hope > is to roll this out to about 40 of our agencies throughout 2 states. So > I've got to get remote support to a point where it is very solid. I wrote up a solution which WFM: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/X11vncLocalApp Jeff From william at fragakis.com Tue Oct 27 16:22:36 2009 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:22:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up VNC remote support In-Reply-To: <20091027160038.814F08E04C3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20091027160038.814F08E04C3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1256660556.9826.19.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> What apps will you be using? If you are using primarily office types of apps, K12LTSP is rock solid. K12Linux better integrates Firefox/Flash, imho, and can take advantage of more powerful clients. If you really need desktop support and monitoring, fl_teachertool is absolutely mind-blowing. It does way more than simply grabbing a screen session. btw, put a freenx server on your LTSP servers if you haven't already. It's brilliant to come in from a remote location with FreeNX, running fl_teachertool and getting a user up and running before they've even finished their call to you. Regards, William On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > From: Jeff Siddall > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Setting up VNC remote support > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <4AE70D48.9010706 at siddall.name> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Jon Williams wrote: > > K12Linux. Thanks for the great info. I'll check out K12LTSP. My > hope > > is to roll this out to about 40 of our agencies throughout 2 states. > So > > I've got to get remote support to a point where it is very solid. > > I wrote up a solution which WFM: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/X11vncLocalApp > > Jeff > > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 17:18:16 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:18:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Yum problem Message-ID: Hello, I hope everyone is well. I was just running "Yum update" on my k12Linux LTSP server and there were a number of updates -- however the process just hung during the installation of the new Kernel. I was connected via SSH so after a while the ssh session just terminated from no activity. I'm rather stressed out now as I am hoping the server isn't toast from a failed Kernel install. What do you recommend I do? Thank you Joseph From news at siddall.name Tue Oct 27 18:42:33 2009 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:42:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Yum problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AE73F19.1090101@siddall.name> Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > I hope everyone is well. > > I was just running "Yum update" on my k12Linux LTSP server and there > were a number of updates -- however the process just hung during the > installation of the new Kernel. I was connected via SSH so after a > while the ssh session just terminated from no activity. I'm rather > stressed out now as I am hoping the server isn't toast from a failed > Kernel install. What do you recommend I do? When yum "updates" a kernel it typically doesn't uninstall the most recent kernel(s) -- which means your running kernel will likely be untouched. Even if yum did remove your running kernel from the disk it shouldn't do so until after the new one is installed. Further, the running kernel should not stop running even if it's files are removed from the disk. All this to say it is unlikely your machine is dead from the kernel update. Jeff From jon.williams52 at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 20:09:50 2009 From: jon.williams52 at gmail.com (Jon Williams) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:09:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up VNC remote support In-Reply-To: <1256660556.9826.19.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> References: <20091027160038.814F08E04C3@hormel.redhat.com> <1256660556.9826.19.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> Message-ID: Open Office, Firefox, Java, Opera 9.27 (for a crappy legacy webside that only works in IE and that version of Opera), rdesktop (with printer redirection)...and I think that's about it. We have a couple of computers in both of our inpatient units that are set up for family members to use. I'll likely set up a whole range of games for the kids. I'm busy setting up K12LTSP to test fl_teachertool. It looks exactly like what we are looking for. I'm also very intrigued with iTALC ( http://en.opensuse.org/Italc). I'm setting up another test station with opensuse to play around with it since that package appears to be in their repository and fairly easy to set up. If I like it I'm going to try and set that up on K12Linux. I have about another month before I'm testing this out in production in a couple of our agencies. Maybe Robert will have a beta version of fl_teachertool ready to go by then and I can help give him some feedback. Thanks again for the great feedback. I was at a dead end and you folks helped point me in the right direction. On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM, William Fragakis wrote: > What apps will you be using? > > If you are using primarily office types of apps, K12LTSP is rock solid. > K12Linux better integrates Firefox/Flash, imho, and can take advantage > of more powerful clients. > > If you really need desktop support and monitoring, fl_teachertool is > absolutely mind-blowing. It does way more than simply grabbing a screen > session. > > btw, put a freenx server on your LTSP servers if you haven't already. > It's brilliant to come in from a remote location with FreeNX, running > fl_teachertool and getting a user up and running before they've even > finished their call to you. > > Regards, > William > > On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > From: Jeff Siddall > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Setting up VNC remote support > > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > > Message-ID: <4AE70D48.9010706 at siddall.name> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Jon Williams wrote: > > > K12Linux. Thanks for the great info. I'll check out K12LTSP. My > > hope > > > is to roll this out to about 40 of our agencies throughout 2 states. > > So > > > I've got to get remote support to a point where it is very solid. > > > > I wrote up a solution which WFM: > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/X11vncLocalApp > > > > Jeff > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at scheie.homedns.org Wed Oct 28 00:14:11 2009 From: peter at scheie.homedns.org (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:14:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up VNC remote support In-Reply-To: References: <20091027160038.814F08E04C3@hormel.redhat.com> <1256660556.9826.19.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> Message-ID: <4AE78CD3.6090509@scheie.homedns.org> K12LTSP comes with a bunch of "Edutainment" software already installed, although it can be added to K12Linux without much difficulty. The one app that may push your choice one way or another is Firefox. If users will be doing a lot of streaming video, e.g., YouTube, then K12Linux's support for local apps--where the application runs on the client hardware rather than on the server--will likely become crucial. Peter Jon Williams wrote: > Open Office, Firefox, Java, Opera 9.27 (for a crappy legacy webside that > only works in IE and that version of Opera), rdesktop (with printer > redirection)...and I think that's about it. We have a couple of > computers in both of our inpatient units that are set up for family > members to use. I'll likely set up a whole range of games for the kids. > > I'm busy setting up K12LTSP to test fl_teachertool. It looks exactly > like what we are looking for. I'm also very intrigued with iTALC > (http://en.opensuse.org/Italc). I'm setting up another test station > with opensuse to play around with it since that package appears to be in > their repository and fairly easy to set up. If I like it I'm going to > try and set that up on K12Linux. > > I have about another month before I'm testing this out in production in > a couple of our agencies. Maybe Robert will have a beta version of > fl_teachertool ready to go by then and I can help give him some feedback. > > Thanks again for the great feedback. I was at a dead end and you folks > helped point me in the right direction. > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM, William Fragakis > wrote: > > What apps will you be using? > > If you are using primarily office types of apps, K12LTSP is rock solid. > K12Linux better integrates Firefox/Flash, imho, and can take advantage > of more powerful clients. > > If you really need desktop support and monitoring, fl_teachertool is > absolutely mind-blowing. It does way more than simply grabbing a screen > session. > > btw, put a freenx server on your LTSP servers if you haven't already. > It's brilliant to come in from a remote location with FreeNX, running > fl_teachertool and getting a user up and running before they've even > finished their call to you. > > Regards, > William > > On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com > wrote: > > From: Jeff Siddall > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Setting up VNC remote support > > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > > > Message-ID: <4AE70D48.9010706 at siddall.name > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Jon Williams wrote: > > > K12Linux. Thanks for the great info. I'll check out K12LTSP. My > > hope > > > is to roll this out to about 40 of our agencies throughout 2 > states. > > So > > > I've got to get remote support to a point where it is very solid. > > > > I wrote up a solution which WFM: > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/X11vncLocalApp > > > > Jeff > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dahopkins429 at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 13:08:20 2009 From: dahopkins429 at gmail.com (David Hopkins) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:08:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up VNC remote support In-Reply-To: <1256660556.9826.19.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> References: <20091027160038.814F08E04C3@hormel.redhat.com> <1256660556.9826.19.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> Message-ID: > btw, put a freenx server on your LTSP servers if you haven't already. > It's brilliant to come in from a remote location with FreeNX, running > fl_teachertool and getting a user up and running before they've even > finished their call to you. > > Just want to second the recommendation for installing FreeNX and then connecting remotely. I have started using this approach to connect via a VPN to monitor all the systems. It is quite responsive and there isn't anything I've found that I can't do. Coupled with fl_teachertool which is simple to launch on a remote system via ssh as well, I can monitor/assist users without issues. Just be sure to make certain it is secure by replacing the defaullt ssh keys for instance. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william at fragakis.com Wed Oct 28 18:24:08 2009 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:24:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Yum problem In-Reply-To: <20091028160044.DE3208E0344@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20091028160044.DE3208E0344@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1256754248.26350.29.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> IMNaiveOpinion, it could well be that ssh, Network Manager or iptables restarted on the update and you lost the connection. If you can physically access the box, grub should still have at least the previous kernel as an option. If for some bizarre reason grub won't let you do that, you could also boot the box from a removable device (Install/rescue CD, Knoppix, etc) and edit grub (e.g. /boot/grub/grub.conf) if need be where it's easier to see the parameters ie the older kernel version(s). Grub, of course, can be temporarily edited at boot but you'd need to know which older kernel to point it to (for example root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.30.8-64.fc11.i686.PAE ro root=UUID=1ef14036-12b5-42a0-971e-7e6cfb050f46 rhgb quiet rootfstype=ext4 initrd /initrd-2.6.30.8-64.fc11.i686.PAE.img which is one of my older entries in grub.conf) Good luck, William On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:42:33 -0400 > From: Jeff Siddall > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT - Yum problem > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <4AE73F19.1090101 at siddall.name> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Joseph Bishay wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I hope everyone is well. > > > > I was just running "Yum update" on my k12Linux LTSP server and there > > were a number of updates -- however the process just hung during the > > installation of the new Kernel. I was connected via SSH so after a > > while the ssh session just terminated from no activity. I'm rather > > stressed out now as I am hoping the server isn't toast from a failed > > Kernel install. What do you recommend I do? > > When yum "updates" a kernel it typically doesn't uninstall the most > recent kernel(s) -- which means your running kernel will likely be > untouched. Even if yum did remove your running kernel from the disk > it > shouldn't do so until after the new one is installed. Further, the > running kernel should not stop running even if it's files are removed > from the disk. > > All this to say it is unlikely your machine is dead from the kernel > update. > > Jeff From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 18:26:48 2009 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:26:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Yum problem In-Reply-To: <1256754248.26350.29.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> References: <20091028160044.DE3208E0344@hormel.redhat.com> <1256754248.26350.29.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> Message-ID: Hello, So from the replies I've read even if it messed up the kernel installation the existing one should run just fine. This is excellent news! My follow-up question is, does this mean that the issue, whatever it is, could be resolved by getting to the actual physical box and running "yum clean all", yum update" again? Thanks, Joseph >> >> Joseph Bishay wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > I hope everyone is well. >> > >> > I was just running "Yum update" on my k12Linux LTSP server and there >> > were a number of updates -- however the process just hung during the >> > installation of the new Kernel. ?I was connected via SSH so after a >> > while the ssh session just terminated from no activity. ?I'm rather >> > stressed out now as I am hoping the server isn't toast from a failed >> > Kernel install. ?What do you recommend I do? >> >> When yum "updates" a kernel it typically doesn't uninstall the most >> recent kernel(s) -- which means your running kernel will likely be >> untouched. ?Even if yum did remove your running kernel from the disk >> it >> shouldn't do so until after the new one is installed. ?Further, the >> running kernel should not stop running even if it's files are removed >> from the disk. >> >> All this to say it is unlikely your machine is dead from the kernel >> update. >> >> Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lesmikesell at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 18:49:50 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:49:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Yum problem In-Reply-To: References: <20091028160044.DE3208E0344@hormel.redhat.com> <1256754248.26350.29.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> Message-ID: <4AE8924E.5060004@gmail.com> Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > So from the replies I've read even if it messed up the kernel > installation the existing one should run just fine. This is excellent > news! > > My follow-up question is, does this mean that the issue, whatever it > is, could be resolved by getting to the actual physical box and > running "yum clean all", yum update" again? It is probably better to: yum-complete-transaction (if you don't have it, 'yum install yum-utils' first) This may say it is going to remove a whole bunch of packages, but the times it has happened to me it has always been right about them being duplicates. After this finishes you can try the update again. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From abegoc at free.fr Wed Oct 28 20:11:41 2009 From: abegoc at free.fr (abegoc at free.fr) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:11:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin c850 Neoware low, problem sound and yum In-Reply-To: <1256754248.26350.29.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> References: <20091028160044.DE3208E0344@hormel.redhat.com> <1256754248.26350.29.camel@server-192.168.0.254.ltsp> Message-ID: I have a server K12LTSP and a thin c850 (neoWare). 1 - The browser surfing is very slow. Can I test the performance of the thin client when i am logged in ? The test of the server is OK (by top when logged). 2 - When the thin is booting, i have always : no sound driver loaded. An idea ? 3 -Can i make update of the server by yum . I have several errors from yum Thank you for your responses. From lesmikesell at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 21:59:06 2009 From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:59:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update vs. /etc/udev/rules.d/99-fuse.rules Message-ID: <4AE8BEAA.6060501@gmail.com> Is anyone with a Centos5 based k12ltsp system getting a conflict for /etc/udev/rules.d/99-fuse.rules when trying to update to 5.4? If so, what's the best solution? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Oct 29 04:59:57 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:59:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update vs. /etc/udev/rules.d/99-fuse.rules In-Reply-To: <4AE8BEAA.6060501@gmail.com> References: <4AE8BEAA.6060501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE9214D.9090500@cmosnetworks.com> Yes, I got that. What's happening is that there's an update to the fuse package, which includes /etc/udev/rules.d/99-fuse.rules, and an ltsp package also installs that file. The two packages are thus fighting over who wins. What you do is rename the 99-fuse.rules file to, say, 99-fuse.rules.bak and then go to /var/cache/yum/k12ltsp/packages. Do an "rpm -Uvh --force" on whatever package it is that wants to install a new 99-fuse.rules (it starts with "fuse"). Then, once you're done, you should have both 99-fuse.rules (from the new CentOS 5.4 fuse package) and your .bak version from the ltsp-something package. Give your system a test drive w/ a thin client. If you're doing local floppies or something similar, be sure to try that out. If things are continuing to work just fine, then leave things as they are. If not, then just rename the new 99-fuse.rules file to 99-fuse.rules.rpmnew or something like that, and rename your "old" one from the ltsp-something package to 99-fuse.rules. --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Les Mikesell wrote: > Is anyone with a Centos5 based k12ltsp system getting a conflict for > /etc/udev/rules.d/99-fuse.rules when trying to update to 5.4? If so, > what's the best solution? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Oct 29 15:44:38 2009 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:44:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update vs. /etc/udev/rules.d/99-fuse.rules In-Reply-To: <4AE9214D.9090500@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4AE8BEAA.6060501@gmail.com> <4AE9214D.9090500@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <994441ae0910290844y617594bdte2ba2828fadb40b8@mail.gmail.com> JFYI, fuse is now included in upstream EL 5.4 -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:59 PM, "Terrell Prud? Jr." wrote: > Yes, I got that.? What's happening is that there's an update to the fuse > package, which includes /etc/udev/rules.d/99-fuse.rules, and an ltsp package > also installs that file.? The two packages are thus fighting over who wins. > > What you do is rename the 99-fuse.rules file to, say, 99-fuse.rules.bak and > then go to /var/cache/yum/k12ltsp/packages.? Do an "rpm -Uvh --force" on > whatever package it is that wants to install a new 99-fuse.rules (it starts > with "fuse").? Then, once you're done, you should have both 99-fuse.rules > (from the new CentOS 5.4 fuse package) and your .bak version from the > ltsp-something package. > > Give your system a test drive w/ a thin client.? If you're doing local > floppies or something similar, be sure to try that out.? If things are > continuing to work just fine, then leave things as they are.? If not, then > just rename the new 99-fuse.rules file to 99-fuse.rules.rpmnew or something > like that, and rename your "old" one from the ltsp-something package to > 99-fuse.rules. > > --TP > _______________________________ > Do you GNU? > Microsoft Free since 2003--the ultimate antivirus protection! > > > Les Mikesell wrote: > > Is anyone with a Centos5 based k12ltsp system getting a conflict for > /etc/udev/rules.d/99-fuse.rules when trying to update to 5.4?? If so, what's > the best solution? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Oct 30 21:25:32 2009 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:25:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin c850 Neoware low, problem sound and yum Message-ID: <1256937932.13230.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Abegoc, Do you know what sound chipset this TC is suppose to have onboard? I done a quick Google and can not find any specs on this TC? Let us know. Take Care, Barry Cisna From abegoc at free.fr Sat Oct 31 09:58:57 2009 From: abegoc at free.fr (abegoc at free.fr) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:58:57 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin c850 Neoware low, problem sound and yum In-Reply-To: <1256937932.13230.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1256937932.13230.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4BBE5E6A266249C4B75F399E4D0D28D5@PCdea> Hi Barry, I have found : CN700 Chipset in this link : http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12881_na/12881_na.pdf Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Cisna" To: "K12LTSP" Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Thin c850 Neoware low, problem sound and yum > Abegoc, > > Do you know what sound chipset this TC is suppose to have onboard? I > done a quick Google and can not find any specs on this TC? Let us know. > > Take Care, > Barry Cisna > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see