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Re: [K12OSN] New Building's LTSP Server
- From: "Terrell Prude' Jr." <microman cmosnetworks com>
- To: "Support list for open source software in schools." <k12osn redhat com>
- Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New Building's LTSP Server
- Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:42:38 -0400
I'd suggest buying the parts and building your own box. You get exactly
what you want, it's modern, and you can save some cash over buying a
"server" box from, say, HP, Dell, etc. For example, I just built a
quad-core 3.2GHz AMD box with 8GB DRAM and a 1.5TB SATA disk drive for
just under $400. With careful shopping, you could build, say, a 12-core
box, with 16GB DRAM, for about $1200. A single-socket 6-processor
machine with 16GB DRAM would run about $600.
For storage, yes, SCSI drives are very reliable, no doubt. Like you,
I've had SCSI disks last 8+ years. However, SATA drives are so cheap by
comparison, and disk drive reliability has generally gotten very good
over the years. I'd have no big concerns about going SATA nowadays.
Since everything's Gigabit, personally, I'd recommend two servers, one
for the home directories, and another for the storage. Put them all on
the same flat network, just for simplicity, with NFS automount (this is
very easy to set up). I'm assuming that Adobe Flash (read: CPU hog) is
in play. Since all your terminals are P4's and can handle it, you could
run Firefox locally and have everything else run from the LTSP server.
The one concern I had with your proposed setup is LTSP bandwidth,
specifically with the unmanaged switches. With that many terminals,
normally I would suggest Multi-Linking a couple of Gig-E NIC's in the
LTSP server. However, the switch needs to support that, and unmanaged
switches cannot do that (it's something you need to explicitly
configure). So, that means only one Gig-E link to and from your LTSP
server for your thin clients.
However, there is a way to deal even with that. It's the same method
that I figured out some years ago to have i386, PPC, and SPARC thin
clients simultaneously running on my x86 LTSP server. Yep, three
different client CPU architectures at the same time! :-) How? You
separate groups of clients into different physical segments/subnets
(SPARC's on one, PPC's on another, x86 on a third). While all your
clients are x86, it also has a very nice side benefit that applies to
your situation: spreading bandwidth usage out and relieving congestion.
Consider the standard 2-NIC LTSP server setup. There's the "outside"
link and the "inside" link. We'll call the outside link "eth0" and the
inside link "eth1" (you can do it either way, but that's just my mood
this morning). Eth0 is connected to your main school LAN (we'll say
10.0.0.0/22), and eth1 is hooked up to your terminals (we'll say
192.168.1.0/24). But you discover that 65 clients on the eth1 segment
are just too much for that Gig-E segment, and users are complaining that
"the system feels slow."
No problem. Drop a second NIC in that server and call it "eth2". Give
it 192.168.2.0/24 and copy 'n' paste an appropriate DHCP scope for this
subnet in dhcpd.conf (I just use the "eth1" segment as a template).
Take one of your unmanaged switches for the thin client and hook it up
to this new eth2, and move some of your thin clients to this new
segment. Remember, the new segment is ONLY connected to eth2; it
doesn't, and must not, touch eth1 at all. When you fire up a client on
this segment, it should get a 192.168.2.x IP address. Now each of your
Gig-E NIC's is serving only, say, 30 clients apiece instead of 65.
Think of it as a "poor man's Multi-Link".
All you're doing here is simply adding on a second internal LTSP
subnet. In your scenario, you could add not just an "eth2", but also an
"eth3" and have 22 computers per thin-client segment. That would most
certainly solve any bandwidth issues. Obviously one could take this to
an "eth4", "eth5", etc. if one wanted to do that and had that many PCI
slots. At that point, though, I'd just go for a 10Gb NIC. :-)
Joseph Bishay wrote:
I hope everyone had a good weekend.
So I'm waist-deep in the design of our new building. Quite the
exercise being in charge of designing nearly everything that runs on
electricity in the building!
I wanted some recommendations for our new LTSP network please. Details:
1) Total of 65 computers spread out across 3 floors -- library,
computer lab, and study lounge are areas of high concentration.
2) All cabling is cat 6
3) All switches and network cards are gigabit and unmanaged.
4) Terminals are 2-3 year old Pentium 4 computers or inexpensive
modern computers (IE suitable for local apps or thin client)
5) Distribution is Edubuntu
6) The setup is for an elementary school students, teachers, and admin
staff / business meetings. No specific software except OpenOffice and
7) Budget for all servers needed is $2000 (IE: either one server for
LTSP or if I needed an application server plus home fileserver total
I've had an old Proliant DL360 G3 (
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl360/ ) humming
along for a year and supporting our old building of 15 computers no
problem. Has dual Xeon 2.8 Ghz chips and 2 GB of ram and usually is
underutilized. The bottle-neck is clearly the RAM as every now and
then it hits swap. In our new setup it certainly won't be
underutilized so I'll certainly need something much more powerful.
Should I look for a cutting edge desktop computer (running an Intel-i
level chip such as this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883108475 ) or
am I better off getting an actual (older) purpose-built server (Such
as another proliant)?
Final aspect are the hard drives. Personally I'm a huge fan of SCSI
drives -- both this server and the prior custom-built servers had
rock-solid reliable hard drives that ran non-stop for something like 8
years without a hitch. Of course they were super-expensive with the
RAID controller, etc. Would you recommend a SATA raid controller and
SATA drives for such a setup nowadays or stick with SCSI?
Did I miss anything else? :)
Thanks for all your insight!
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