From jthomas at bittware.com Tue Jan 4 03:04:03 2011 From: jthomas at bittware.com (j.w. thomas) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:04:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Christmas Upgrade In-Reply-To: <4D06E03C.1050107@bittware.com> References: <4D06837E.6070304@bittware.com> <4D068D59.60002@cmosnetworks.com> <4D06E03C.1050107@bittware.com> Message-ID: <4D228E23.3020301@bittware.com> No luck in scaring up a gigE switch, but if truth be told, I haven't really been looking yet (real life got in the way). Real life also got in the way of installing the new server of the holiday break. The new server is indeed sweet: dual 3GHz Intel CPUs, 6G RAM, a hardware RAID with 5 SCSI disks, and redundant power supplies. I'm downloading the EL5-64 iso again, as I have no idea where my old image went. j.w. thomas wrote: > Those are good thoughts. I'll see if I can scare up a switch with a > gigE uplink. > > The old server was 64-bit, and I am running EL5-64 on it already. The > new one had better be a 64-bitter as well, or I think the 6G will be > 50%+ more memory than it can use. > > Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: >> I kinda doubt it's the server, but that 100Mbit network you mentioned >> does raise a flag. Does that also include the connection to your server? >> >> About 6 years ago, I had a dual-Athlon MP, 1.4GHz box with 3.5GB DRAM >> serving 24 clients daily, with simultaneous OpenOffice.org and Firefox >> sessions open (school computer lab), and that server had no problems >> with it. Response (for that era) was snappy, and the K12LTSP server >> was not overloaded. The difference was that I had a Gig-E connection >> to the server. >> >> Never, ever say no to a more powerful box! I envy you. :-) If that >> server has built-in Gig-E, which I suspect it does, then make sure you >> have a Gig-E port on whatever switch you're connecting it to. This >> is, as Joe Biden would say, a big...umm...deal. :-D Seriously, >> though, this is. The clients can be 100Mbit, no problem, but the >> server should hook up to Gig. >> >> I'm assuming that the CPU's are also more powerful than your current >> server. Is this is 64-bit server, perchance? If so, then you can run >> 64-bit K12LTSP 5EL on it, but there are a few things to be aware of, >> especially with regard to Firefox and plugins. Let us know, and >> again, congrats! >> >> --TP >> >> j.w. thomas wrote: >>> I've been running a K12LTSP 5EL for a couple of years, and have just >>> been donated a newer server. It has something like 6G of ram >>> compared to 2G on its replacement, and a massive SATA drive vs a tiny >>> IDE. >>> >>> The clients will remain unchanged - 10 year-old Gateways with 256M >>> RAM. We have six of these. >>> >>> A parent at our school donated the server. He was inspired to do >>> this because late last year the students had prepared some ooimpress >>> presentations, and had ten of them running on the six terminals (four >>> of them were minimized). It was dismal. >>> >>> I don't think that a new server was the solution, but he could not be >>> dissuaded. My guess is that running OOo on the clients would be a >>> better approach to solving the bottleneck. >>> >>> The network is 100Mbit, via an unmanaged switch. >>> >>> I plan to bring the new server online over the Christmas break. Is >>> it possible to set this up for running an app locally with EL5? I am >>> terrified of upgrading to something newer, especially in light of the >>> age of the thin clients. >>> >>> What should I do with the old server? >>> >>> Advice solicited and appreciated. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > -- Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc jthomas at bittware.com http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536 The secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse - Calvin's Dad From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Jan 9 16:19:53 2011 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:19:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments Message-ID: <1294589993.975.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello All, Wondering if anyone on the board here is either planning on rolling out some new K12LTSP installations anywhere,or knows of anyone else that is? It seems the activity here on the mailing list has all but went kaput? Take Care, BC From lars.schade at berlin.de Sun Jan 9 17:57:40 2011 From: lars.schade at berlin.de (Lars Schade) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:57:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: <1294589993.975.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1294589993.975.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1294595860.2182.23.camel@localhost> Hello All, the discussion in December about k12linux in f14 and/or rhel6 led me to upgrade my installation to f13 using Kevin's rpm. Things went smoothly and seem to work fine. As you know support for f13 will end in June and I truly hope that the future of k12linux will be somewhat less vague and open by that time than it seems to be today! Cheers, Lars Am Sonntag, den 09.01.2011, 10:19 -0600 schrieb Barry Cisna: > Hello All, > > Wondering if anyone on the board here is either planning on rolling out > some new K12LTSP installations anywhere,or knows of anyone else that is? > It seems the activity here on the mailing list has all but went kaput? > > Take Care, > BC > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dvanassche at gmail.com Tue Jan 11 22:54:00 2011 From: dvanassche at gmail.com (David Van Assche) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:54:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Nice case for building a fat client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, the biggest cos these days seem to be monitors :-) which I suppose can be gotten second hand relatively easily. How's your setup holding up? How many fatclients are you running concurently? kind regards, David Van Assche On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > I've actually had the thing running and my students can't wait until > we get more. The difference in speed between this and a thin client is > beyond noticeable. > > Here are the parts I used: > > Foxconn A74ML-K 3.0 Socket AM3/ AMD 740G/ A&V&GbE/ MATX > Motherboard MB-A74MLK3 $43.99 > Evercase E0526-S15 150W Mini-ITX Case (Black) CA-0526S15 $45.90 > $45.90 > AMD Athlon II X2 Processor 250 (3.0 GHz) AM3, Retail ADX250OCBX > $62.99 $62.99 > Super Talent DDR3-1333 2GB Original Memory D32G1333SP $18.98 > $18.98 > Sub Total > $171.86 > > I ordered from SuperBiiz, but you could probably get similar pricing > from NewEgg or TigerDirect. Last I checked, those two didn't carry the > case, however, and the case is a really nice, small case for a client. > With a micro-ATX mobo, there's only room for a slim optical drive and > a 2.5 inch hard drive, so if you're not using either of those, you're > not wasting a lot of room. Also, there's a vent just over the location > of the CPU, so the CPU fan blows right out of the case. Since there's > no case fan, that's a pretty good thing. > > There are still a couple of things I'm not sure about with using a fat > client with Ubuntu LTSP. I changed /etc/environment, but it doesn't > seem to show up when people log in, and I did have to create a way for > network traffic to get forwarded, but other than that, the set-up is > very nice. It's not super low power, but the CPU is about 65 watts and > the motherboard doesn't use much more. Obviously, you could get a nice > thin client that uses much less power, but I don't think it would be > as fast, and it might not be much smaller. > > Todd > > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Todd O'Bryan > wrote: > > I just got one of these cases. A MicroATX motherboard fits into it > > very snugly, but it's a very nice overall size: > > > > > http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=CA-0526S15&title=Evercase-E0526-S15-150W-Mini-ITX-Case-Black > > > > The power supply is above part of the motherboard, so you might want > > to try your parts before buying a bunch, but if you want something > > that's not much bigger than a typical thin client, I think this fits > > the bill. Add an inexpensive mobo, a CPU, and RAM, and it's all less > > than $200 for a pretty powerful machine. > > > > I've been creating my fat-client image to try to get it running and > > will report back once everything is installed and working. > > > > Todd > > > > -- > edubuntu-users mailing list > edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jan 11 23:08:27 2011 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:08:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: <1294595860.2182.23.camel@localhost> References: <1294589993.975.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1294595860.2182.23.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4D2CE2EB.6020301@cmosnetworks.com> The "problem" is that K12LTSP 5EL was done so doggone well (thank you, Eric!) that I haven't had to replace it anywhere. It still gets the job done in fine fashion. --TP Lars Schade wrote: > Hello All, > > the discussion in December about k12linux in f14 and/or rhel6 led me to > upgrade my installation to f13 using Kevin's rpm. Things went smoothly > and seem to work fine. As you know support for f13 will end in June and > I truly hope that the future of k12linux will be somewhat less vague and > open by that time than it seems to be today! > > Cheers, Lars > > Am Sonntag, den 09.01.2011, 10:19 -0600 schrieb Barry Cisna: > >> Hello All, >> >> Wondering if anyone on the board here is either planning on rolling out >> some new K12LTSP installations anywhere,or knows of anyone else that is? >> It seems the activity here on the mailing list has all but went kaput? >> >> Take Care, >> BC >> >> >> From toddobryan at gmail.com Tue Jan 11 23:27:15 2011 From: toddobryan at gmail.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:27:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Nice case for building a fat client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So far one. I placed an order for 12 more back at the beginning of December, but my district didn't manage to get it to the vendor until after Christmas, at which point they were sold out of the motherboard and we had to start the process again. (sigh) I'm using the same server to support the fat client as my thirty thin clients, and everything seems to work fine. Todd On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:54 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > Yeah, the biggest cos these days seem to be monitors :-) which I suppose can > be gotten second hand relatively easily. > > How's your setup holding up? How many fatclients are you running > concurently? > > kind regards, > David Van Assche > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Todd O'Bryan wrote: >> >> I've actually had the thing running and my students can't wait until >> we get more. The difference in speed between this and a thin client is >> beyond noticeable. >> >> Here are the parts I used: >> >> Foxconn A74ML-K 3.0 Socket AM3/ AMD 740G/ A&V&GbE/ MATX >> Motherboard ? ? MB-A74MLK3 ? ? ?$43.99 >> Evercase E0526-S15 150W Mini-ITX Case (Black) ? CA-0526S15 ? ? ?$45.90 >> ?$45.90 >> AMD Athlon II X2 Processor 250 (3.0 GHz) AM3, Retail ? ?ADX250OCBX >> ?$62.99 ?$62.99 >> Super Talent DDR3-1333 2GB Original Memory ? ? ?D32G1333SP ? ? ?$18.98 >> ?$18.98 >> Sub Total >> $171.86 >> >> I ordered from SuperBiiz, but you could probably get similar pricing >> from NewEgg or TigerDirect. Last I checked, those two didn't carry the >> case, however, and the case is a really nice, small case for a client. >> With a micro-ATX mobo, there's only room for a slim optical drive and >> a 2.5 inch hard drive, so if you're not using either of those, you're >> not wasting a lot of room. Also, there's a vent just over the location >> of the CPU, so the CPU fan blows right out of the case. Since there's >> no case fan, that's a pretty good thing. >> >> There are still a couple of things I'm not sure about with using a fat >> client with Ubuntu LTSP. I changed /etc/environment, but it doesn't >> seem to show up when people log in, and I did have to create a way for >> network traffic to get forwarded, but other than that, the set-up is >> very nice. It's not super low power, but the CPU is about 65 watts and >> the motherboard doesn't use much more. Obviously, you could get a nice >> thin client that uses much less power, but I don't think it would be >> as fast, and it might not be much smaller. >> >> Todd >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Todd O'Bryan >> wrote: >> > I just got one of these cases. A MicroATX motherboard fits into it >> > very snugly, but it's a very nice overall size: >> > >> > >> > http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=CA-0526S15&title=Evercase-E0526-S15-150W-Mini-ITX-Case-Black >> > >> > The power supply is above part of the motherboard, so you might want >> > to try your parts before buying a bunch, but if you want something >> > that's not much bigger than a typical thin client, I think this fits >> > the bill. Add an inexpensive mobo, a CPU, and RAM, and it's all less >> > than $200 for a pretty powerful machine. >> > >> > I've been creating my fat-client image to try to get it running and >> > will report back once everything is installed and working. >> > >> > Todd >> > >> >> -- >> edubuntu-users mailing list >> edubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users > > From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 03:51:28 2011 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:21:28 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: <4D2CE2EB.6020301@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1294589993.975.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1294595860.2182.23.camel@localhost> <4D2CE2EB.6020301@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 12 January 2011 04:38, Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: > The "problem" is that K12LTSP 5EL was done so doggone well (thank you, > Eric!) that I haven't had to replace it anywhere. ?It still gets the job > done in fine fashion. +1 for that. And in low cost situations it is not the latest greatest that is being looked at. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: Replying using bottom post/in-line post makes email conversations whole lot easier for meaningful dialogue. Snip out what is not relevant. Adopt this and spread the message. From news at siddall.name Fri Jan 14 02:35:39 2011 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:35:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: References: <1294589993.975.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1294595860.2182.23.camel@localhost> <4D2CE2EB.6020301@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4D2FB67B.8060806@siddall.name> On 01/11/2011 10:51 PM, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 12 January 2011 04:38, Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: >> The "problem" is that K12LTSP 5EL was done so doggone well (thank you, >> Eric!) that I haven't had to replace it anywhere. It still gets the job >> done in fine fashion. > > +1 for that. And in low cost situations it is not the latest greatest > that is being looked at. Yes, but... no sound is a showstopper for me, and IIRC localapps, local devices, compositing etc. didn't exist/work either, and then of course there are all the old desktops/apps (ex: KDE3). I use all those things on my F13 K12Linux setup. Honestly I really don't have any complaints with Fedora either. Sure it has a few bleeding edge problems, but the platform as a whole has been rock solid. I have _never_ in the year and a half since I set it up had any unplanned downtime, and the uptime is usually into the hundreds of days before I need to reboot to install a new kernel or something. Now, if someone would build a stable 6EL based LTSP5! Jeff From robark at gmail.com Sat Jan 15 07:22:31 2011 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:22:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: <4D2FB67B.8060806@siddall.name> References: <1294589993.975.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1294595860.2182.23.camel@localhost> <4D2CE2EB.6020301@cmosnetworks.com> <4D2FB67B.8060806@siddall.name> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Jeff Siddall wrote: ... > Now, if someone would build a stable 6EL based LTSP5! I know people who are waiting for K12Linux 6EL to deploy in Sept 2011. My gut feeling is this project, in it's current state, no longer has the man power to support a new release every 6 months to keep in step with Fedora. However, I think there are *many* who are desperately waiting for a version based on CentOS6 (RHEL6) with local app support. CentOS6 should be released within the next month. That leaves around 6 months to get a stable K12Linux 6EL release out. Considering CentOS6 is largely based on FC12 (which already has a stable K12Linux release) I think it should be possible. The big question is who would build it and be the maintainers? -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada From robark at gmail.com Sat Jan 15 07:35:23 2011 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:35:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: References: <1294589993.975.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1294595860.2182.23.camel@localhost> <4D2CE2EB.6020301@cmosnetworks.com> <4D2FB67B.8060806@siddall.name> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Jeff Siddall wrote: > ... >> Now, if someone would build a stable 6EL based LTSP5! > > I know people who are waiting for K12Linux 6EL to deploy in Sept 2011. > My gut feeling is this project, in it's current state, no longer has > the man power to support a new release every 6 months to keep in step > with Fedora. > > However, I think there are *many* who are desperately waiting for a > version based on CentOS6 (RHEL6) with local app support. > > CentOS6 should be released within the next month. That leaves around > 6 months to get a stable K12Linux 6EL ?release out. Considering > CentOS6 is largely based on FC12 (which already has a stable K12Linux > release) I think it should be possible. The big question is who would > build it and be the maintainers? > Correction: Sorry I keep thinking about K12Linux in K12LTSP terms. K12Linux was never a distro in itself as K12LTSP was, so all that would be needed is K12Linux packages for CentOS6. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada From gspurgeon at dageek.co.uk Sat Jan 15 11:02:46 2011 From: gspurgeon at dageek.co.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:02:46 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: References: <1294589993.975.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1294595860.2182.23.camel@localhost> <4D2CE2EB.6020301@cmosnetworks.com> <4D2FB67B.8060806@siddall.name> Message-ID: <4D317ED6.8010504@dageek.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Please dont take these next comments the wrong way, It seems no mater how I word them, they sounds very mean... That is not my intention @ all. I hope the following 2 points will help. > CentOS6 should be released within the next month. That leaves around > 6 months to get a stable K12Linux 6EL release out. Considering > CentOS6 is largely based on FC12 a.) Fedora is no longer known as Fedora Core, We dropped the Core bit @ FC6 (2006) It is now just 'Fedora' b.) RHEL6 is based on Fedora 14, not Fedora 12, So CentOS6 *should* be based on the same code. > The big question is who would build it and be the maintainers? I have built and released LTSP 5.2.4 as .rpm's and I know from this list that people have been using the .rpm's in production environments. I do need to update the .rpm's to the latest stable release of LTSP, but due to some Major changes in Fedora 14, this is not as simple as it sounds. The Kickstart files used to create the LTSP Images in Fedora 13 and below are fine, but Fedora 14 has removed a lot of the packages that LTSP used to use, So we now need to replace/rebuild these kickstarts with the correct packages and make sure that the LTSP Clients can still boot and run as they should. This is going to take a hell of a lot of testing and so on. I can build and test the .rpm's and get them released, but I do not have a test enviroment where I can boot serveral clients and really functionally test them all. That is where the comunity needs to help me with the testing. Along with some friends I have been working on trying to get these .rpm's added back into the official fedora repos but even for a Red Hat Employee, it is not as easy as you would think. We still have to follow the procedures and this again all takes time. I have taken over the Fedora .rpm's and will continue to do my best to get them released as soon as I can. We have a Bugzilla Open @ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=598134 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=652896 and my temp repo is @ http://www.dageek.co.uk/ltsp/ I also have a screenshot of LTSP v5.2.4 Running on Fedora 13 @ http://www.dageek.co.uk/ltsp/LTSP-Server-5.2.4-5.png - -- Gavin Spurgeon. AKA Da Geek - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The happiest of people don't necessarily have the best of everything, they just make the most of everything that comes along their way.." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.12 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0xftUACgkQvp6arS3vDiplPwCgvb4d6di6j1QajVaMyhXJd0g/ QjwAnivPy/oEHu9EGG7CU+TNL5nUS0kL =ow9f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- This message was scanned by DaGeek Spam Filter and is believed to be clean. From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Jan 15 15:43:25 2011 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:43:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Firewall solution suggestion Message-ID: <1295106205.975.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello All, This topic does not pertain to K12LTSP per see but I think it may do some users of K12LTSP some good if they do not know about this firewall, pfSense. We are a k-12 school district. We have been using a Linux based firewall commercial product for the last 9 years which has worked great. But as time marches on the neccessity to have two WAN connections this product simply did not offer a transparent failover as well as load balancing if one wan went down. We are a rural school so without a doubt we do have one of our two wans go down from time to time. Enter pfSense. I installed pfSense on three offcast 1u servers we had,and these have worked great for the last year. It provides Ipsec Open and pptp vpns and many other niceities. This is going to save our school about $7500 per year not having to have a contract for our previous firewall solution. But more of a savings is not having to roll a van to two remote buildings to switch wires to the second WAN. I tried reading several solutions using a conventional Linux firewall with some scripting to make a downed wan link fail over to the second wan but simply could not make it work transparently. If you have multiple wan connections this may be worth looking into for you. I know Cisco of course does have this same capability if you are willing to spend the $$$!. Can't beat the price AND reliability of pfSense from what I have learned,though. pfSense runs on FreeBSD and is about a 68mb iso FWIW. Hope this may help someone else here. Take Care, BC From robark at gmail.com Sat Jan 15 22:30:48 2011 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:30:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: <4D317ED6.8010504@dageek.co.uk> References: <1294589993.975.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1294595860.2182.23.camel@localhost> <4D2CE2EB.6020301@cmosnetworks.com> <4D2FB67B.8060806@siddall.name> <4D317ED6.8010504@dageek.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Please dont take these next comments the wrong way, It seems no mater > how I word them, they sounds very mean... That is not my intention @ > all. I hope the following 2 points will help. > >> CentOS6 should be released within the next month. That leaves around >> 6 months to get a stable K12Linux 6EL ?release out. Considering >> CentOS6 is largely based on FC12 > > a.) Fedora is no longer known as Fedora Core, We dropped the Core bit @ > FC6 (2006) It is now just 'Fedora' Sorry, I knew this. It's just out of habit I wrote FC. > > b.) RHEL6 is based on Fedora 14, not Fedora 12, So CentOS6 *should* be > based on the same code. > My assumption was based on the package versions listed on distrowatch. It seems on the surface that RHEL6 is a hybrid of F12 + F13. But I don't work for Red Hat so I could definitely be wrong. >> The big question is who would build it and be the maintainers? > > I have built and released LTSP 5.2.4 as .rpm's and I know from this list > that people have been using the .rpm's in production environments. > I do need to update the .rpm's to the latest stable release of LTSP, but > due to some Major changes in Fedora 14, this is not as simple as it sounds. > > The Kickstart files used to create the LTSP Images in Fedora 13 and > below are fine, but Fedora 14 has removed a lot of the packages that > LTSP used to use, So we now need to replace/rebuild these kickstarts > with the correct packages and make sure that the LTSP Clients can still > boot and run as they should. This is going to take a hell of a lot of > testing and so on. > > I can build and test the .rpm's and get them released, but I do not have > a test enviroment where I can boot serveral clients and really > functionally test them all. That is where the comunity needs to help me > with the testing. > > Along with some friends I have been working on trying to get these > .rpm's added back into the official fedora repos but even for a Red Hat > Employee, it is not as easy as you would think. We still have to follow > the procedures and this again all takes time. > > I have taken over the Fedora .rpm's and will continue to do my best to > get them released as soon as I can. > > We have a Bugzilla Open @ > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=598134 > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=652896 > > and my temp repo is @ > http://www.dageek.co.uk/ltsp/ > > I also have a screenshot of LTSP v5.2.4 Running on Fedora 13 @ > http://www.dageek.co.uk/ltsp/LTSP-Server-5.2.4-5.png > This is good to see. Those bug report threads really fill in the blanks I had about what was happening with the project. I am happy Red Hat has not dropped K12Linux and LTSP. Thank you Gavin. However, I'm *assuming* that there are many schools that would prefer to go with CentOS6 or RHEL6 as compared to Fedora because of the work involved in upgrading every summer. This is why, I think, K12LTSP 5EL was so popular. But maybe I'm wrong and most people want a K12Linux based on Fedora. People should speak up as to what they need/want. I'm wondering if you are planning to release RHEL6 or CentOS6 packages? I'm not sure about the pricing of RHEL6 as an LTSP server but I recall an edu version with no support was $50/year. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jan 16 05:41:03 2011 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:41:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Firewall solution suggestion In-Reply-To: <1295106205.975.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1295106205.975.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4D3284EF.10406@cmosnetworks.com> Posts don't need to pertain specifically to K12LTSP/K12Linux. We're about FOSS in K-12 schools, so this definitely applies. And it's great that you could save all that coin with FOSS. Right now, every dime counts. But I do have a couple of questions. I use OpenBSD's PF firewall code (similar to, but much easier syntax to read than, iptables), so I'm wondering what advantage pfSense gives over something like OpenBSD PF. Second, I was looking for screenshots of pfSense on their Web site. Unfortunately, the pfSense folks put their screenshot gallery in the proprietary Adobe Flash format instead of something FOSS-friendly like JPEG's. I know, not your doing, but what the heck would any FOSS project do something that inane for? --TP Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello All, > > This topic does not pertain to K12LTSP per see but I think it may do > some users of K12LTSP some good if they do not know about this firewall, > pfSense. > We are a k-12 school district. We have been using a Linux based firewall > commercial product for the last 9 years which has worked great. But as > time marches on the neccessity to have two WAN connections this product > simply did not offer a transparent failover as well as load balancing > if one wan went down. We are a rural school so without a doubt we do > have one of our two wans go down from time to time. > > Enter pfSense. I installed pfSense on three offcast 1u servers we > had,and these have worked great for the last year. It provides Ipsec > Open and pptp vpns and many other niceities. > This is going to save our school about $7500 per year not having to have > a contract for our previous firewall solution. But more of a savings is > not having to roll a van to two remote buildings to switch wires to the > second WAN. I tried reading several solutions using a conventional Linux > firewall with some scripting to make a downed wan link fail over to the > second wan but simply could not make it work transparently. > If you have multiple wan connections this may be worth looking into for > you. I know Cisco of course does have this same capability if you are > willing to spend the $$$!. > Can't beat the price AND reliability of pfSense from what I have > learned,though. pfSense runs on FreeBSD and is about a 68mb iso FWIW. > Hope this may help someone else here. > > Take Care, > BC > From sali at vsb.bc.ca Mon Jan 17 01:25:39 2011 From: sali at vsb.bc.ca (Seema Ali) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:25:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments Message-ID: FYI. I have an interesting situation. I have been given $10 000 to upgrade my lab. The money will only cover part of the computer lab. So I'll have some Intel Core 2 Duo processor E8400 computers and some old Pentium 4's (I believe). I'm currently running CentOS5 and I have K12LTSP4. I heard that my current set up will not work for the new computers because I don't have the drivers for it. So, I am also waiting for version of K12Linux/K12LTSP based on CentOS6 with local application support. Gavin (& helpers), thanks for all of your hard work. >From Seema. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toddobryan at gmail.com Mon Jan 17 02:00:14 2011 From: toddobryan at gmail.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:00:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, wait. I didn't do the conversion to Canadian dollars. Still, you can get quite a lot for that much money. On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > How big a lab do you have? You could easily completely upgrade a lab > of 30 machines for $10k. > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Seema Ali wrote: >> FYI. >> >> I have an interesting situation.? I have been given $10 000 to upgrade my >> lab.? The money will only cover part of the computer lab.? So I'll have some >> Intel Core 2 Duo processor E8400 computers and some old Pentium 4's (I >> believe).? I'm currently running CentOS5 and I have K12LTSP4.? I heard that >> my current set up will not work for the new computers because I don't have >> the drivers for it. So, I am also waiting for version of K12Linux/K12LTSP >> based on CentOS6 with local application support. >> >> Gavin (& helpers), thanks for all of your hard work. >> >> >From Seema. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From toddobryan at gmail.com Mon Jan 17 01:59:34 2011 From: toddobryan at gmail.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:59:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How big a lab do you have? You could easily completely upgrade a lab of 30 machines for $10k. On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Seema Ali wrote: > FYI. > > I have an interesting situation.? I have been given $10 000 to upgrade my > lab.? The money will only cover part of the computer lab.? So I'll have some > Intel Core 2 Duo processor E8400 computers and some old Pentium 4's (I > believe).? I'm currently running CentOS5 and I have K12LTSP4.? I heard that > my current set up will not work for the new computers because I don't have > the drivers for it. So, I am also waiting for version of K12Linux/K12LTSP > based on CentOS6 with local application support. > > Gavin (& helpers), thanks for all of your hard work. > > >From Seema. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Jan 17 12:19:08 2011 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 06:19:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Firewall solution suggestion Message-ID: <1295266748.6889.18.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> pfSense is in fact a 'rolled into one' pf part of FreeBSD. It is simply an out of the box , turnkey solution to pf. Pop the iso in(or usb stick install) and you are done in 15 minutes,then a reboot to do your configuration. FeeBSD has native support for most vpn encryption cards as well ,which is nice if you need vpn site to site support. We do three site to site vpns for our setting. There is nothing 'lacking' in this piece from what I can see. RRD graphs, a real time throughput view, states, routes view,NAT that automagically adds wan rules as you add a nat rule for example, can add packages such as squid,squidGuard,havp,and so on from the webui. The 3 machines that are running only have 500mb of ram running squid,squidGurad,lightsquid,havp just for an example. It's always a kind of challenge to put together your own ideas into some things but with all of the tls and ssh stuff for vpn's it isn't worth the time for me to try and 'roll your own' on this kind of stuff. The screenshots on pfSense are in fact made with a freeware called "Simpleviewer" a look alike to flash slide show type thing,along with Picasa,as a base. http://simpleviewer.net/simpleviewer/ BC From news at siddall.name Mon Jan 17 17:10:39 2011 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:10:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D34780F.8030107@siddall.name> On 01/16/2011 09:00 PM, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > Oh, wait. I didn't do the conversion to Canadian dollars. Still, you > can get quite a lot for that much money. Actually, the Canadian dollar will buy more than the US dollar now! Ultimately how much things cost will be determined by the questions: 1. How many? 2. How good? For ballpark estimates you can get a six core 8 GB server for $1K and an Atom, 1 GB, 19" widescreen client for about $300 which would get you a complete 30 client system for $10k. Jeff From sali at vsb.bc.ca Mon Jan 17 17:38:01 2011 From: sali at vsb.bc.ca (Seema Ali) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:38:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments References: Message-ID: My lab is a regular 30 student computers + 1 teacher computer. Normally I would agree with you, that $10 000 could upgrade a new lab, but our school district has restrictions on the types of computers we can purchase. We have a choice of 2 at a fixed price with upgrade options. =[ Todd, right now the Canadian dollar is close to the Americain dollar, but I think the cost of our supplies is more. I haven't researched computer prices, but I know it is true for books. =] >From Seema. How big a lab do you have? You could easily completely upgrade a lab of 30 machines for $10k. On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Seema Ali wrote: > FYI. > > I have an interesting situation.? I have been given $10 000 to upgrade my > lab.? The money will only cover part of the computer lab.? So I'll have some > Intel Core 2 Duo processor E8400 computers and some old Pentium 4's (I > believe).? I'm currently running CentOS5 and I have K12LTSP4.? I heard that > my current set up will not work for the new computers because I don't have > the drivers for it. So, I am also waiting for version of K12Linux/K12LTSP > based on CentOS6 with local application support. > > Gavin (& helpers), thanks for all of your hard work. > > >From Seema. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com Mon Jan 17 18:35:52 2011 From: clifford_ilkay at dinamis.com (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:35:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D348C08.3030608@dinamis.com> On 01/17/2011 12:38 PM, Seema Ali wrote: > My lab is a regular 30 student computers + 1 teacher computer. > Normally I would agree with you, that $10 000 could upgrade a new lab, > but our school district has restrictions on the types of computers we > can purchase. We have a choice of 2 at a fixed price with upgrade > options. =[ > Todd, right now the Canadian dollar is close to the Americain dollar, > but I think the cost of our supplies is more. I haven't researched > computer prices, but I know it is true for books. =] The exchange rate of the US$ vs. the C$ is only loosely correlated to prices in Canada. When merchants see it to their advantage to keep prices high in Canada, as they did when the C$ hit historic lows circa 2004 at C$0.63 to the US$, they'll take advantage of it. When the C$ started rising, things didn't necessarily get cheaper in Canada. Some things did but not everything. Computers are a different story. There are huge regional differences in the U.S. and Canada for pricing. Toronto has a very competitive market for computer parts so even when the C$ was cheap, we could find things here for the same price or better than the U.S. in many cases. Check out ncix.com. They're a BC-based retailer that has moved into the Toronto market. You have to shop carefully because their prices aren't uniformly competitive. is a good place to compare Canadian prices, though it's by no means exhaustive for a place like Toronto where we have many small shops selling computer gear. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 From toddobryan at gmail.com Mon Jan 17 19:15:06 2011 From: toddobryan at gmail.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:15:06 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Because, of course, it is easier for the tech support people if they only have to know how to fix certain models. I was able to order parts and put the computers together myself by selling it as a learning experience for my classes (which it will be, of course). Todd On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Seema Ali wrote: > My lab is a regular 30 student computers? + 1 teacher computer. > > Normally I would agree with you, that $10 000 could upgrade a new lab, but > our school district has restrictions on the types of computers we can > purchase.? We have a choice of 2 at a fixed price with upgrade options.? =[ > > Todd, right now the Canadian dollar is close to the Americain dollar, but I > think the cost of our supplies is more.? I haven't researched computer > prices, but I know it is true for books. =] > > From Seema. > > > > How big a lab do you have? You could easily completely upgrade a lab > of 30 machines for $10k. > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Seema Ali wrote: >> FYI. >> >> I have an interesting situation.? I have been given $10 000 to upgrade my >> lab.? The money will only cover part of the computer lab.? So I'll have >> some >> Intel Core 2 Duo processor E8400 computers and some old Pentium 4's (I >> believe).? I'm currently running CentOS5 and I have K12LTSP4.? I heard >> that >> my current set up will not work for the new computers because I don't have >> the drivers for it. So, I am also waiting for version of K12Linux/K12LTSP >> based on CentOS6 with local application support. >> >> Gavin (& helpers), thanks for all of your hard work. >> >> >From Seema. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From news at siddall.name Mon Jan 17 19:18:22 2011 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:18:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D3495FE.4070809@siddall.name> On 01/17/2011 12:38 PM, Seema Ali wrote: > My lab is a regular 30 student computers + 1 teacher computer. > > Normally I would agree with you, that $10 000 could upgrade a new lab, > but our school district has restrictions on the types of computers we > can purchase. We have a choice of 2 at a fixed price with upgrade > options. =[ Are these computers diskless thin clients or just normal desktops? If they are normal desktops I recommend you go back and get the computer restrictions adjusted before proceeding, or switch to a different technology like DRBL. Desktop computers are large, noisy, hot, expensive, unreliable things that tend not to make sense when deployed as clients in an LTSP environment. Perhaps start by letting them know that the power savings obtained from switching from a typical desktop PCs to typical fanless thin clients will pay for the entire system -- all $10,000 -- in the next 5 years! Jeff From news at siddall.name Tue Jan 18 16:05:26 2011 From: news at siddall.name (Jeff Siddall) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:05:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: <4D34A41D.9020508@deltacfax.com> References: <4D3495FE.4070809@siddall.name> <4D34A41D.9020508@deltacfax.com> Message-ID: <4D35BA46.3090901@siddall.name> On 01/17/2011 03:18 PM, Tim Born wrote: > On 1/17/11 1:18 PM, Jeff Siddall wrote: > >> >> Perhaps start by letting them know that the power savings obtained from >> switching from a typical desktop PCs to typical fanless thin clients >> will pay for the entire system -- all $10,000 -- in the next 5 years! >> >> Jeff > > My knee-jerk reaction to that statement was "no way!". Then I dug up my > kill-a-watt and measured some of my clients. The worst one costs me > $190/yr in electricity (assuming 7x24). That would put Jeff's statement > well within reach across 30 machines & 5 years. > > -tim Yeah, perhaps I should have done the math in my original post. Depending on the scenario the payback can be a _lot_ faster. Here's a sample: Typical desktop PC power consumption: 100 W Fanless thin client (Intel D410PT) power consumption: 24 W Cost of thin client: $143* Cost of electricity: $0.11/kWh (conveniently this works out to $1 per watt per year so you can impress people by doing the math in your head!) Cost of electricity per year (24/7) for desktop PC: $100 Cost of electricity per year (24/7) for thin client: $24 Electricity saving per year (24/7) per thin client: $76 Client payback time on electricity savings: 1.9 years ...and that doesn't include the HVAC savings etc. With numbers like that (not to mention the "green" reasons) there is really no business case for using/re-using fat desktops as clients. * Here's the parts for the thin client ($19+$54+$70 = $143): http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=59176 http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=61979 http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=54088 Jeff From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jan 18 17:50:26 2011 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:50:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any New K12LTSP deployments In-Reply-To: <4D35BA46.3090901@siddall.name> References: <4D3495FE.4070809@siddall.name> <4D34A41D.9020508@deltacfax.com> <4D35BA46.3090901@siddall.name> Message-ID: <4D35D2E2.4060106@cmosnetworks.com> Jeff Siddall wrote: > On 01/17/2011 03:18 PM, Tim Born wrote: > >> On 1/17/11 1:18 PM, Jeff Siddall wrote: >> >> >>> Perhaps start by letting them know that the power savings obtained from >>> switching from a typical desktop PCs to typical fanless thin clients >>> will pay for the entire system -- all $10,000 -- in the next 5 years! >>> >>> Jeff >>> >> My knee-jerk reaction to that statement was "no way!". Then I dug up my >> kill-a-watt and measured some of my clients. The worst one costs me >> $190/yr in electricity (assuming 7x24). That would put Jeff's statement >> well within reach across 30 machines & 5 years. >> >> -tim >> > > Yeah, perhaps I should have done the math in my original post. > Depending on the scenario the payback can be a _lot_ faster. Here's a > sample: > > Typical desktop PC power consumption: 100 W > Fanless thin client (Intel D410PT) power consumption: 24 W > Cost of thin client: $143* > Cost of electricity: $0.11/kWh (conveniently this works out to $1 per > watt per year so you can impress people by doing the math in your head!) > Cost of electricity per year (24/7) for desktop PC: $100 > Cost of electricity per year (24/7) for thin client: $24 > Electricity saving per year (24/7) per thin client: $76 > > Client payback time on electricity savings: 1.9 years > > ...and that doesn't include the HVAC savings etc. > > With numbers like that (not to mention the "green" reasons) there is > really no business case for using/re-using fat desktops as clients. > > * Here's the parts for the thin client ($19+$54+$70 = $143): > http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=59176 > http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=61979 > http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=54088 > > Jeff > Just more "ammunition" to the notion that a thin client architecture is a good idea and not at all "outdated". I know of one such system in the mountains of Peru. Since there's no electricity provided way up there by the utility company, they power the whole "Internet cafe" with solar panels and a satellite uplink. Obviously, this is done only during sunlight hours, and it's not like they've got Gig-E uplinks, but hey, they've got Internet! Results like that say a lot to me. --TP From aahodson at episd.org Wed Jan 19 22:42:40 2011 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:42:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] Centos 5.5 x86_64 server: need K12LTSP functionality In-Reply-To: <5465136.21295476670781.JavaMail.SYSTEM@NEO-570716> Message-ID: <193954.41295476973375.JavaMail.SYSTEM@NEO-570716> Greetings folks En West Texas (El Paso ISD) we have a long tradition of using K12LTSP Thin Clients. After months of very low usage, one of our schools has rediscovered the concept, and on a Dell server had me install Centos 5.5. Now my question is, who has a reliable list of the apps that need to be installed, and the tweaks that will bring eth0 up so that this beauty becomes the thin client server for a VLan switch to the newly ordered thin clients? ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-32bit/i386/CentOS/ has the list, but surely someone on the list has the "required" order or shortcuts... Help! Alan A Hodson MEd. Instructional Applications Analyst El Paso Independent School District oF: 915-887-6871 fX: 915-772-4016 Nxt:915-892-0389 aahodson at episd.org - http://links.episd.org/ Open Source Proponent - http://tinyurl.com/3e4sh8 Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away -=o=- From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Jan 19 23:46:04 2011 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:46:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos 5.5 x86_64 server: need K12LTSP functionality Message-ID: <1295480764.332.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Alan, Not quite sure what you are asking? Below is a link to the DVD for x86_64 EL5. This is the way I'd do it,,,then just yum update,,,go drink coffee for a couple hours ,come back and reboot,,you will be at 5.5 :) I am guessing you are wanting a 1. , 2. , 3. , on how to get the extras installed ,flash, web browser with plugins,, on _64 to circumvent all of the 64 bit snafoo stuff? ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/dvd/ B From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sun Jan 23 05:03:44 2011 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:03:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos 5.5 x86_64 server: need K12LTSP functionality In-Reply-To: <1295480764.332.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1295480764.332.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4D3BB6B0.7010001@elp.rr.com> Thanks Barry for the link. I d/l the image several times, and have tried burning the DVD in 4 different configurations, but I keep getting DVD media size errors... so I am now in the process of burning the 8 CDs that comprise the install, and will give that a try. Your help is appreciated by all of us that "have seen the light" but are still struggling with the details. Cheers Barry Cisna wrote: > Alan, > > Not quite sure what you are asking? Below is a link to the DVD for > x86_64 EL5. This is the way I'd do it,,,then just yum update,,,go drink > coffee for a couple hours ,come back and reboot,,you will be at 5.5 :) > I am guessing you are wanting a 1. , 2. , 3. , on how to get the extras > installed ,flash, web browser with plugins,, on _64 to circumvent all of > the 64 bit snafoo stuff? > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/dvd/ > > > B > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jan 23 05:10:55 2011 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:10:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos 5.5 x86_64 server: need K12LTSP functionality In-Reply-To: <4D3BB6B0.7010001@elp.rr.com> References: <1295480764.332.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4D3BB6B0.7010001@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D3BB85F.5060700@cmosnetworks.com> Just to eliminate the crazy...you're burning it with something like growisofs as an ISO, not just burning the .iso file to the DVD as a file, right? I have myself done this before. --TP Alan Hodson wrote: > Thanks Barry for the link. I d/l the image several times, and have > tried burning the DVD in 4 different configurations, but I keep > getting DVD media size errors... so I am now in the process of burning > the 8 CDs that comprise the install, and will give that a try. > > Your help is appreciated by all of us that "have seen the light" but > are still struggling with the details. > Cheers > > Barry Cisna wrote: >> Alan, >> >> Not quite sure what you are asking? Below is a link to the DVD for >> x86_64 EL5. This is the way I'd do it,,,then just yum update,,,go drink >> coffee for a couple hours ,come back and reboot,,you will be at 5.5 :) >> I am guessing you are wanting a 1. , 2. , 3. , on how to get the extras >> installed ,flash, web browser with plugins,, on _64 to circumvent all of >> the 64 bit snafoo stuff? >> >> >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/dvd/ >> >> >> B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From william at fragakis.com Sun Jan 23 23:55:21 2011 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:55:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos 5.5 x86_64 server: need K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1295826921.30438.81.camel@server.ltsp> Or just download the first cd, choose text install and install via ftp. Regards, William On Sun, 2011-01-23 at 12:00 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:03:44 -0700 > From: Alan Hodson > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Centos 5.5 x86_64 server: need K12LTSP > functionality > Message-ID: <4D3BB6B0.7010001 at elp.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Thanks Barry for the link. I d/l the image several times, and have > tried > burning the DVD in 4 different configurations, but I keep getting DVD > media size errors... so I am now in the process of burning the 8 CDs > that comprise the install, and will give that a try. > > Your help is appreciated by all of us that "have seen the light" but > are > still struggling with the details. > Cheers > > Barry Cisna wrote: > > Alan, > > > > Not quite sure what you are asking? Below is a link to the DVD for > > x86_64 EL5. This is the way I'd do it,,,then just yum update,,,go > drink > > coffee for a couple hours ,come back and reboot,,you will be at > 5.5 :) > > I am guessing you are wanting a 1. , 2. , 3. , on how to get the > extras > > installed ,flash, web browser with plugins,, on _64 to circumvent > all of > > the 64 bit snafoo stuff? > > > > > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-EL-64bit/dvd/ From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 05:47:12 2011 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:17:12 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [X post] Settings for APN Message-ID: This may not be strictly on topic but with diverse experience this group has I am hoping I would get some answers / pointers. I have a device that sends data using GPRS/GSM carrier. It has following fields for settings: APN: Username: Password: Name Servers: With my current service provider these are sufficient. (See Airtel settings http://modmyi.com/wiki/index.php/Carrier_APN_Settings#AirTel ) and the GPRS is working What it does not have are these fields: Proxy serv. Address: Proxy Port number: I need these for using Vodaphone network (See Vodaphone http://modmyi.com/wiki/index.php/Carrier_APN_Settings#VODAFONE ) I am confused as how to pass on the proxy settings. Can I use something like user at proxy:port in users name field? -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: Replying using bottom post/in-line post makes email conversations whole lot easier for meaningful dialogue. Snip out what is not relevant. Adopt this and spread the message. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jan 27 16:53:08 2011 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude' Jr.) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:53:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [X post] Settings for APN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D41A2F4.30909@cmosnetworks.com> So this is an Apple iPhone that you're trying to hook up? --TP Sudev Barar wrote: > This may not be strictly on topic but with diverse experience this > group has I am hoping I would get some answers / pointers. > > I have a device that sends data using GPRS/GSM carrier. It has > following fields for settings: > > APN: > Username: > Password: > Name Servers: > > With my current service provider these are sufficient. (See Airtel > settings http://modmyi.com/wiki/index.php/Carrier_APN_Settings#AirTel > ) and the GPRS is working > > What it does not have are these fields: > Proxy serv. Address: > Proxy Port number: > > I need these for using Vodaphone network (See Vodaphone > http://modmyi.com/wiki/index.php/Carrier_APN_Settings#VODAFONE ) > > I am confused as how to pass on the proxy settings. Can I use > something like user at proxy:port in users name field? > > From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Jan 28 04:57:58 2011 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:27:58 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [X post] Settings for APN In-Reply-To: <4D41A2F4.30909@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4D41A2F4.30909@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 27 January 2011 22:23, Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote: > So this is an Apple iPhone that you're trying to hook up? > No, it is a remote reporting device. Please consider this input example for GPRS service as needed by GSM provider (rather than Vodaphone one that I gave) http://modmyi.com/wiki/index.php/Carrier_APN_Settings#QTel_.28QATAR.29 The device I have has field inputs only for APN, user name. password and DNS. No fields for proxy:port address. Unfortunately I am not in Qatar and the person there is not proficient enough to put questions to the service helpline to get me an answer. I was thinking of using something like apn:proxy:port in the filed for APN. Will this work? I know this is off topic to list but thanks for inputs either ways. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: Replying using bottom post/in-line post makes email conversations whole lot easier for meaningful dialogue. Snip out what is not relevant. Adopt this and spread the message.