[katello-devel] Promotions UI - looking for input on naming

Fri Jul 20 18:54:02 UTC 2012

Based on the discussions thus far, the plan is to associate a 'type' 
with each changeset.  As a result, each change set will only perform a 
single type of action: deletion (from current env) or promotion (to next 
env).

Brad

On 07/20/2012 02:47 PM, Eric Helms wrote:
> Reading more I realized I wasn't sure about one thing which may effect my thoughts on the naming.
>
> Will a changeset continue to be a singular entity that alters the next environment or will there be two clearly distinct entities - a Promotion Changeset and a Deletion Changeset?
>
> - Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Malini Rao" <mrao at redhat.com>
> To: "Cliff Perry" <cperry at redhat.com>
> Cc: katello-devel at redhat.com
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 2:13:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [katello-devel] Promotions UI - looking for input on naming
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cliff Perry" <cperry at redhat.com>
> To: "Brad Buckingham" <bbuckingham at redhat.com>
> Cc: katello-devel at redhat.com
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 1:37:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [katello-devel] Promotions UI - looking for input on naming
>
> On 07/20/2012 12:17 PM, Brad Buckingham wrote:
>> You all are awesome! Appreciate the quick feedback.
>>
>> I am going to let the thread go for additional inputs until early next
>> week; however, I also lean
>> towards the latest suggestion, which I believe captures most folks intent.
>>
>> i.e.
>>
>> Content -> Changeset Management -> Changesets
>>
>> Content -> Changeset Management -> Changesets History (This one also
>> exists in the UI. It was not in my original email, but does show that we
>> need to have the 3rd level).
>>
> I like those ^^^
>
>> Cliff,
>>
>> To your earlier question on thread, the new feature is not a demotion of
>> content but an actual deletion of the content from the current
>> environment. Example scenario:
>> - user goes to the Changesets page (aka Promotions today)
>> - navigates to an environment (e.g. Dev)
>> - creates a Deletion Changeset
>> - adds content to the Changeset (e.g. products, repos, packages...etc)
>> - user 'applies' the Changeset (and content in changeset is deleted from
>> that environment)
>> - any environment before or after that environment remain unchanged
> I find it inconsistent that the package/content could be further up the
> environment path... but that is not what is being asked for here :)
>
>
> Well...
> Library holds all content, content in environments has to be in library.
> When you populate content into an environment, we call it today a
> 'promotion'. Well, that promotion today ADDs content, it is an addition,
> that we choose to give a fancier word, Promotion. So, when you delete
> the content from the 'DEV' environment, shouldn't we give it the same
> fancier word - demotion. It is the same net-effect, the package is
> removed (removed/deleted/demoted/foreclosed) . :)
>
> I'm not a UDX type guy. I just think the terminology should be
> consistent and won't argue the point further in this thread (I given the
> input which was asked ;)
>
> Cliff
>
> Malini ---> Cliff, I see your train of thought here and your input is valuable. The issue is about whether the term sets an expectation in the user that something is moved FROM somewhere TO somewhere when that may not be the case in the case of removing content from an environment. In the end, these will most likely end up as button labels and we can all see what term resonates best when we see it in the context of a mock-up.
>
>
>> thanks,
>> Brad
>>
>> On 07/20/2012 01:02 PM, Malini Rao wrote:
>>> My suggestion would be -
>>> Content -> Changeset Management -> Changesets
>>>
>>> &
>>>
>>> Content -> Changeset Management -> Changesets History
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Malini
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Todd Warner" <taw at redhat.com>
>>> To: "Mike McCune" <mmccune at redhat.com>
>>> Cc: katello-devel at redhat.com
>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 12:51:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [katello-devel] Promotions UI - looking for input on naming
>>>
>>> On 07/20/2012 12:45 PM, Mike McCune wrote:
>>>> On 07/20/2012 09:21 AM, Jason Rist wrote:
>>>>> On Fri 20 Jul 2012 09:59:57 AM MDT, Todd Warner wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/20/2012 11:55 AM, Cliff Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> On 07/20/2012 10:49 AM, Brad Buckingham wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey Folks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the Katello UI, we currently have the following navigation
>>>>>>>> leading to
>>>>>>>> the Promotions page:
>>>>>>>> Content -> Changeset Promotions -> Promotions (page)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The current promotions page allows users to create change sets and
>>>>>>>> promote content from the current (e.g. Dev) to next (e.g. Test)
>>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are now in the process of developing functionality to allow
>>>>>>>> users to
>>>>>>>> also delete content from an environment. This functionality will be
>>>>>>>> built in to the current promotions UI; therefore, the UI will now
>>>>>>>> support 2 possible actions (deletions and promotions). As a
>>>>>>>> result, it
>>>>>>>> seems like we should consider the navigation and page.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any thoughts/opinions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Possible renames might be:
>>>>>>>> Content -> Changeset Promotion / Deletion -> Promotions /
>>>>>>>> Deletions
>>>>>>>> Content -> Changeset Management -> Promotions / Deletions
>>>>>>> I like this one the most ^^^^
>>>>>>> Content> Changeset Management> Promotions / Deletions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Though 'Promotions / Deletions' seems wrongly worded, it doesn't
>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>> right to me - hurts my ears.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shouldn't it be demotion and promotion?
>>>>>>> or Additions / Deletions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or... Delta Sets :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or... Upgrade / Downgrade
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure you picked the word 'deletions' because that is what is
>>>>>>> happening, without thinking does that term work well with the others
>>>>>>> in play.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cliff
>>>>>> Yeah. But it is a deletion, right? You are not reverting something and
>>>>>> you are not... demoting it. Or are you? It almost seems like two
>>>>>> different, unrelated actions. I'm with Cliff... is sounds
>>>>>> "square-peggish". I'm not sure and am interested in other folks'
>>>>>> opinions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -todd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Content -> Changesets -> Promotions / Deletions
>>>>>>>> Content -> ... -> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> I think I like "Changeset Management -> Promotions and Deletions"
>>>>>
>>>> what about just:
>>>>
>>>> Content -> Changesets
>>>>
>>>> why put the type in the title?
>>> YES!
>>>
>>>> that said, I do like the clarity of Promotions and Deletions because
>>>> it helps explain a bit to new users what changesets do.
>>> Shove "what changeset do" into contextual help?
>>> -todd
>>>
>>
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