[katello-devel] Foreman skin design spike

[Ivan Nečas]

On 07/25/2012 04:52 PM, Hugh O. Brock wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:29:22AM -0400, Malini Rao wrote:
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jason Rist" <jrist at redhat.com>
>> To: katello-devel at redhat.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:40:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [katello-devel] Foreman skin design spike
>>
>> On 07/24/2012 08:29 AM, Tomas Strachota wrote:
>>> Team,
>>> I've finished a design spike to make Foreman look like Katello. So far
>>> it seems that we can make most of the skinning without bigger problems
>>> just by creating new styles for the bootstrap css & js library.
>>>
>>> You can checkout summary of the investigation and some screenshots on
>>> our wiki
>>> https://fedorahosted.org/katello/wiki/ForemanSkinDesign
>> Is there an instance that we could see these changes in? The screenshots are useful and the initial changes are looking good but I would like to see a bit more and provide you some feedback from the UX consistency perspective. For instance, in the Environments list screen, if we cannot do a 2-pane, then the location of the 'New Environment' button/ link seems a little odd.
>>> Please note that not everything has been styled. Eg. most of the buttons
>>> have still it's original look. I didn't want to loose much time with it
>>> since there's a fair chance that we will just throw it away.
>> So what is the plan? Are we going to be hopping on to Foreman that kinda looks like Katello at certain points in the workflow and then jump back into Katello? Is this a short term strategy before we have a more seamless integration? Either way, I think we should have some UX discussions around how these switches happen so that the overall UX is not impacted severely. The fact that Foreman is made to look more like Katello increases the expectation that the overall navigation and UI paradigms will be the same. This is why, I would like to see a demo if possible on a workflow that involves this switch so we can evaluate the usability impact.
> I love the idea of having a Foreman UI skin that makes it look like
> Cloudforms, that is good stuff.
>
> Having said that, I'm fairly certain that we're going to want to be
> able to build workflows in Katello that touch Foreman objects and we
> probably want not to force the user to a *third* different webapp, no
> matter how similar we make it look. This means there is going to have
> to be some work done in Katello UI to represent Foreman objects, one
> way or another...
Certainly not force to use it, but enable to use it, and give a feeling 
that it's a part of the whole solution. I agree that the basic workflow 
should be supported in Katello without needing to log into the Foreman. 
OTOH, I believe that there are some advanced features in Foreman (like 
reporting, custom templates, maybe VNC console etc.) that probably won't 
be available from Katello UI, but still it would be nice to make it 
available for the users (without fear that they might do something in 
Foreman that would break the integration). From Foreman community point 
of view, I think it would be beneficial as well to let them use Katello 
and Foreman together, without forcing them to leave the Foreman UI 
completely.

So if it would be possible for basic use-cases use only Katello and for 
advanced ones let users safely go into Foreman UI, it would be great.

-- Ivan
>
> --H
>
>>> Questions and ideas are welcome.
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
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>> Looks very nice.  I think some Foreman pages might benefit from Tupane.
>>
>> So what's the next step?  Is it worth doing additional work for upstream
>> Foreman to look like another Red Hat CloudForms upstream related product?
>>
>> -J
>>
>> -- 
>> Jason E. Rist
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-- 
Ivan