Package Refinement

Tue Sep 26 19:53:04 UTC 2006

I don't think you can remove a default package group this way:
-@ dialup

But, I've never tried it.....

Other than that, yes your sample is fine, however I wouldn't add entire
package groups because you need a particular package.  Start with a bare
build.  In other words, have a %packages with nothing in it (unless you
want to try -@ dialup), then only add the packages you NEED to get the
environment running:

up2date httpd perl-libwww-perl

This will resolve deps and give you a list of needed packages which you
can then add into your kickstart file if you wish.

You can then figure out what you can REMOVE by removing packages.  rpm
won't allow you to remove anything that's needed by another package
unless you force it:

rpm -e squid

All of the packages you've removed go into your packages section with a
minus in front of them.

Alternatively, you CAN go through the comps.xml and try to figure it all
out first, but I've found this way to be MUCH easier.

This is a BARE MINIMUM I have come up with (RHEL3 I believe) that still
allows you to get into the server via ssh and load additional rpms

%packages
# you COULD delete the following, but I want them
#-portmap
#-openssh-clients
#-openssh-server
#-openssh
#-openssl
#-vim-minimal
#-vim-common
#-dhclient
# To install a Minimum X environment, the following is all that is
needed
# XFree86-twm
-cyrus-sasl
-cyrus-sasl-md5
-glib2
-kbd
-krb5-libs
-libuser
-openldap
-tcp_wrappers
-usermode
-zip
-xinetd
-wget
-vixie-cron
-usbutils
-up2date
-unzip
-unix2dos
-traceroute
-tmpwatch
-time
-telnet
-tcsh
-tcpdump
-sysreport
-symlinks
-stunnel
-specspo
-slocate
-sharutils
-sendmail
-rsync
-rpm-python
-rpmdb-redhat
-rootfiles
-rmt
-rhpl
-rhnlib
-redhat-release
-redhat-menus
-redhat-logos
-readline
-raidtools
-quota
-pyxf86config
-python-optik
-python
-pyOpenSSL
-psacct
-procmail
-pinfo
-pdksh
-pciutils
-patch
-passwd
-parted
-nss_ldap
-nscd
-nfs-utils
-netdump
-netconfig
-ncompress
-mt-st
-mtr
-mtools
-mgetty
-mdadm
-man-pages
-man
-MAKEDEV
-make
-mailx
-mailcap
-m4
-lsof
-lslk
-logwatch
-logrotate
-lockdev
-libtool-libs
-libstdc++
-libgcj
-kernel-utils
-kernel
-htmlview
-hotplug
-hesiod
-hdparm
-groff
-gnupg
-gmp
-ftp
-file
-elfutils
-eject
-ed
-dump
-dos2unix
-diffutils
-devlabel
-cyrus-sasl-plain
-crontabs
-cpio
-bzip2
-binutils
-bind-utils
-bc
-autofs
-authconfig
-attr
-at
-fbset
-finger
-iptables-ipv6
-irda-utils
-isdn4k-utils
-jfsutils
-jwhois
-krb5-workstation
-krbafs-utils
-lftp
-lha
-libwvstreams
-nano
-ppp
-prelink
-rdate
-redhat-config-mouse
-redhat-config-soundcard
-rp-pppoe
-rsh
-samba
-samba-common
-schedutils
-setarch
-star
-sudo
-talk
-tftp
-vconfig
-wireless-tools
-wvdial
-cyrus-sasl-gssapi
-ipsec-tools
-libobjc
-pam_smb
-acl
-apmd
-aspell
-cups
-cups-libs
-dosfstools
-gettext
-iptables
-krbafs
-libjpeg
-libpng
-libtiff
-minicom
-mkbootdisk
-nc
-ntsysv
-pam_krb5
-pax
-pspell
-rdist
-redhat-config-network-tui
-redhat-config-securitylevel-tui
-redhat-lsb
-setserial
-setuptool
-syslinux
-utempter
-ash
-kernel-pcmcia-cs
-yp-tools
-ypbind
-acpid
-authd
-diskdumputils
-eal3-certification
-eal3-certification-doc
-iscsi-initiator-utils
-jpackage-utils
-laus
-nss_db
-pam_passwdqc
-up2date-update

Chip

-----Original Message-----
From: kickstart-list-bounces at redhat.com
[mailto:kickstart-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Denton
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:40 PM
To: Discussion list about Kickstart
Subject: Re: Package Refinement

Thanks for the quick response.  So, if I do nnot use --nobase, but want
to exclude those default groups, can I do this:

%packages --resolvedeps
@ web-server
-squid.i386
-webalizer.i386
-tux.i386
@ mail-server
-dovecot.i386
-spamassassin.i386
-@ dialup
-@ java

kernel
grub
e2fsprogs
expect
vim-enhanced
lvm2
perl
tcl
perl-libwww-perl
ntp
netconfig
wget

On Sep 26, 2006, at 3:32 PM, Shabazian, Chip wrote:

> Sorry, in %packages, DON'T include version, and don't forget the s 
> like I did ;)
>
> %packages
> -finger
> -iptables-ipv6
> httpd
> perl-libwww-perl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kickstart-list-bounces at redhat.com 
> [mailto:kickstart-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shabazian, 
> Chip
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:28 PM
> To: Discussion list about Kickstart
> Subject: RE: Package Refinement
>
>
> 1) You can figure out which rpm provides which file by using -qf:
>
> [root at someserver directory]# rpm -qf
> /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/LWP
> perl-libwww-perl-5.65-6
>
> 2) If you want to exclude all those hidden packages, you can use
> nobase:
>
> %packages --nobase
>
> However, doing this will require you to ADD a lot of packages back to 
> the build in order to get a bootable, useable system.  I find it 
> easier to remove unwanted packages and add the ones I want:
>
> %package
> -finger
> -iptables-ipv6
> httpd
> perl-libwww-perl-5.65-6
> ... etc
>
> 3) You can use your standard redirects:
>
> rpm -q -a --qf '%10{SIZE}\t%{NAME}\n' | sort -k1,1n > /tmp/ 
> rpms_by_size
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kickstart-list-bounces at redhat.com 
> [mailto:kickstart-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Denton
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:13 PM
> To: Discussion list about Kickstart
> Subject: Package Refinement
>
> Hello all,
>
> Now that I have the kickstart file mostly working how I would like it,

> I would like some advice on how to reduce the packages installed to 
> the bare minimum for what I would like to do (simple webserver - not 
> exposed to internet). Here are some specific queries:
>
> 1. I have noticed that my perl scripts that use LWP will not work 
> unless I include @development-tools in the package list.  Since the 
> units I am building will not serve as workstations for development, I 
> would rather not install that group at all.  I am wondering 
> specifically what package in that group is providing the LWP support.

> There are a lot of PERL related packages in @development- tools but 
> they all seem to relate to XML. The page I am relying on for info is 
> here:
>
> 	http://penguin.triumf.ca/comps/fc4/comps-v4-lang-en_US.html
>
> 2. "Default, Hidden"  There are two package groups that are listed as 
> Default, Hidden, which I am wondering if they are installed without 
> being listed in the packages group.  They are @dialup and @java.
> Lets take dialup for example. @dialup includes the following
> defaults:  ppp, isdn4k-utils, lrzsz, minicom, statserial, wvdial.
> Oddly, everyone of these packages are installed although I did not 
> specify the group in the packages list.  Thus the 'Default. Hidden'
> must indeed override the packeges list.  Is there some reason why my 
> system would need these files although there is NO modem?
>
> 3. I have found a way to list all packages installed, sorted by size 
> but I would love to redirect the output of the command to a file. My 
> usual bag of tricks is not working (cat, >, etc). Any suggestions?
> Here is the command:
>
> rpm -q -a --qf '%10{SIZE}\t%{NAME}\n' | sort -k1,1n
>
> Thanks for any and all input!!
>
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