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Re: device compatibility interface for live migration with assigned devices



On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 02:29:07AM +0100, Sean Mooney wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-08-20 at 08:39 +0800, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:36:52AM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> > > On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 10:16:28 +0100
> > > Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange redhat com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 05:01:51PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > >    On 2020/8/18 下午4:55, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:24:30AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  On 2020/8/14 下午1:16, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 12:24:50PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  On 2020/8/10 下午3:46, Yan Zhao wrote:  
> > > > >  we actually can also retrieve the same information through sysfs, .e.g
> > > > > 
> > > > >  |- [path to device]
> > > > >     |--- migration
> > > > >     |     |--- self
> > > > >     |     |   |---device_api
> > > > >     |    |   |---mdev_type
> > > > >     |    |   |---software_version
> > > > >     |    |   |---device_id
> > > > >     |    |   |---aggregator
> > > > >     |     |--- compatible
> > > > >     |     |   |---device_api
> > > > >     |    |   |---mdev_type
> > > > >     |    |   |---software_version
> > > > >     |    |   |---device_id
> > > > >     |    |   |---aggregator
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Yes but:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  - You need one file per attribute (one syscall for one attribute)
> > > > >  - Attribute is coupled with kobject
> > > 
> > > Is that really that bad? You have the device with an embedded kobject
> > > anyway, and you can just put things into an attribute group?
> > > 
> > > [Also, I think that self/compatible split in the example makes things
> > > needlessly complex. Shouldn't semantic versioning and matching already
> > > cover nearly everything? I would expect very few cases that are more
> > > complex than that. Maybe the aggregation stuff, but I don't think we
> > > need that self/compatible split for that, either.]
> > 
> > Hi Cornelia,
> > 
> > The reason I want to declare compatible list of attributes is that
> > sometimes it's not a simple 1:1 matching of source attributes and target attributes
> > as I demonstrated below,
> > source mdev of (mdev_type i915-GVTg_V5_2 + aggregator 1) is compatible to
> > target mdev of (mdev_type i915-GVTg_V5_4 + aggregator 2),
> >                (mdev_type i915-GVTg_V5_8 + aggregator 4)
> the way you are doing the nameing is till really confusing by the way
> if this has not already been merged in the kernel can you chagne the mdev
> so that mdev_type i915-GVTg_V5_2 is 2 of mdev_type i915-GVTg_V5_1 instead of half the device
> 
> currently you need to deived the aggratod by the number at the end of the mdev type to figure out
> how much of the phsicial device is being used with is a very unfridly api convention
> 
> the way aggrator are being proposed in general is not really someting i like but i thin this at least
> is something that should be able to correct.
> 
> with the complexity in the mdev type name + aggrator i suspect that this will never be support
> in openstack nova directly requireing integration via cyborg unless we can pre partion the
> device in to mdevs staicaly and just ignore this.
> 
> this is way to vendor sepecif to integrate into something like openstack in nova unless we can guarentee
> taht how aggreator work will be portable across vendors genericly.
> 
> > 
> > and aggragator may be just one of such examples that 1:1 matching does not
> > fit.
> for openstack nova i dont see us support anything beyond the 1:1 case where the mdev type does not change.
>
hi Sean,
I understand it's hard for openstack. but 1:N is always meaningful.
e.g.
if source device 1 has cap A, it is compatible to
device 2: cap A,
device 3: cap A+B,
device 4: cap A+B+C
....
to allow openstack to detect it correctly, in compatible list of
device 2, we would say compatible cap is A;
device 3, compatible cap is A or A+B;
device 4, compatible cap is A or A+B, or A+B+C;

then if openstack finds device A's self cap A is contained in compatible
cap of device 2/3/4, it can migrate device 1 to device 2,3,4.

conversely,  device 1's compatible cap is only A,
so it is able to migrate device 2 to device 1, and it is not able to
migrate device 3/4 to device 1.

Thanks
Yan

> i woudl really prefer if there was just one mdev type that repsented the minimal allcatable unit and the
> aggragaotr where used to create compostions of that. i.e instad of i915-GVTg_V5_2 beign half the device,
> have 1 mdev type i915-GVTg and if the device support 8 of them then we can aggrate 4 of i915-GVTg
> 
> if you want to have muplie mdev type to model the different amoutn of the resouce e.g. i915-GVTg_small i915-GVTg_large
> that is totlaly fine too or even i915-GVTg_4 indcating it sis 4 of i915-GVTg
> 
> failing that i would just expose an mdev type per composable resouce and allow us to compose them a the user level with
> some other construct mudeling a attament to the device. e.g. create composed mdev or somethig that is an aggreateion of
> multiple sub resouces each of which is an mdev. so kind of like how bond port work. we would create an mdev for each of
> the sub resouces and then create a bond or aggrated mdev by reference the other mdevs by uuid then attach only the
> aggreated mdev to the instance.
> 
> the current aggrator syntax and sematic however make me rather uncofrotable when i think about orchestating vms on top
> of it even to boot them let alone migrate them.
> > 
> > So, we explicitly list out self/compatible attributes, and management
> > tools only need to check if self attributes is contained compatible
> > attributes.
> > 
> > or do you mean only compatible list is enough, and the management tools
> > need to find out self list by themselves?
> > But I think provide a self list is easier for management tools.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Yan
> > 
> 


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