[libvirt-users] Networking with qemu/kvm+libvirt

Andre Goree andre at drenet.net
Tue Feb 9 18:02:50 UTC 2016

On 02/08/2016 4:37 pm, Laine Stump wrote:
> On 02/08/2016 04:20 PM, Andre Goree wrote:
>> On 01/11/2016 3:05 pm, Laine Stump wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2016 02:25 PM, Andre Goree wrote:
>>>> I have some questions regarding the way that networking is handled 
>>>> via qemu/kvm+libvirt -- my apologies in advance if this is not the 
>>>> proper mailing list for such a question.
>>>> I am trying to determine how exactly I can manipulate traffic from a 
>>>> _guest's_ NIC using iptables on the _host_.
>>> It depends on which type of networking you are using.
>>> 1) If your guest is using a macvtap device to connect to the outside,
>>> then iptables processing isn't done on the traffic. I saw something
>>> awhile back about getting that limitation removed from macvtap in the
>>> the kernel, but don't remember what is the current status.
>>> 2) If your guest is using a standard tap device that is attached to 
>>> an
>>> Open vSwitch bridge, then iptables processing isn't done - ovs has
>>> it's own version of packet filtering (that's as much as I know about
>>> it). Note that OpenStack's networking uses OVS, but sets up a 
>>> separate
>>> Linux host bridge device for each guest device and puts it in between
>>> the guest's tap device and the OVS bridge at least partly so that
>>> iptables filtering can be done on the guest traffic.
>>> 3) If your guest is using a standard tap device that is attached to a
>>> Linux host bridge, then all the traffic to/from the guest will be
>>> processed by iptables and ebtables on the host. libvirt has a
>>> subsystem that can help you create filtering rules that will be
>>> applied to the guest interfaces *on the host*:
>>>   https://libvirt.org/formatnwfilter.html
>>>> On the host, there is a bridged virtual NIC that corresponds to the 
>>>> guest's NIC.  That interface does not have an IP setup on it on the 
>>>> host, however within the vm itself the IP is configured and 
>>>> everything works as expected.
>>>> During my testing, I've seemingly determined that traffic from the 
>>>> vm does NOT traverse iptables on the host, but I _can_ in fact see 
>>>> the traffic via tcpdump on the host.  This seems odd to me, unless 
>>>> the traffic is passed on during interaction with the kernel, and 
>>>> thus never actually reaches iptables.  I've gone as far as trying to 
>>>> log via iptables any and all traffic traversing the guest's 
>>>> interface on the host, but to no avail (iptables does not see any 
>>>> traffic from the guest's NIC on the host).
>>>> Is this the way it's supposed to work?  And if so, is there any way 
>>>> I can do IP/port redirection silently on the _host_?
>>> libvirt's "default" network does that for traffic outbound from the
>>> guest. For traffic inbound to a guest connected to libvirt's default
>>> network (or any other Linux host bridge), you can add a DNAT rule.
>>> Here is an example:
>>> http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking#Forwarding_Incoming_Connections
>>> You may also find this article useful:
>>>    https://libvirt.org/firewall.html
>> Thank you again for pointing me in the right direction, I definitely 
>> have an overall and much better understanding of how libvirt 
>> networking works, along with the amazingly awesome tool, nwfilter.  
>> However I still am having some trouble.  I've been pouring through the 
>> documentation, and can't seem to figure out how exactly I'd create a 
>> rule to forward packets destined for one IP to another, different IP.
> nwfilter doesn't support that.

Thank you so much Laine, you've been a tremendous help, and this is 
exactly what I thought was the case (and was afraid of.)

>> However, via OpenStack, using a magic IP to configure new instances 
>> (they're given an IP that allows them to connect to a metadata server 
>> sitting on the network) indeed works, so I know it's just something 
>> simple I'm either missing or just not understanding.
>> The purpose of all this is to kinda mimic OpenStack's magic IP setup 
>> without using OpenStack itself -- as I have my own platform using 
>> qemu/kvm+libvirt  that precludes me from using a different platform.
> I'm unfamiliar with OpenStack's "magic IP", so I'm not sure exactly
> what to recommend.

OpenStack uses a "magic IP" (something like as a 
destination for a newly spun up instance to reach the metadata server -- 
the metadata server thus providing pre-configured options to the newly 
spun up instance (e.g. whether or not to update on first boot, set 
hostname, which packages to install on first boot, etc...this is done 
with cloud-init).  The metatdata server has an actual routable IP, 
however via iptables or otherwise (I'd hoped this could be done through 
nwfilter) on the host, the new instance (without a fully configured, 
working network setup) attempts to connect to, with 
packets aimed at that destination automatically being forwarded to the 
actual IP of the metadata server.

I'm at a loss as to how to forward those packets from the guest aimed at 
a specific IP to a different IP, that's my entire issue.

> (also, I'm not sure how your mail client managed to get the
> "justsendmailnothingelse" email added to a Cc, but that address is not
> intended for me to receive mail; it is used only to *send* mail (and
> nothing else :-), that's why the From: is set to my canonical address)

My apologies, I believe I simply used "Reply-All" and that address was 
included in CC.  Made sure to remove it this time :)

Thanks again for all your help.

Andre Goree
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