[linux-lvm] What are they talking about?
Greg Freemyer
freemyer at NorcrossGroup.com
Wed May 21 15:46:01 UTC 2003
Kevin,
I understand how LVM2, DM, and EVMS are architected.
I still have no idea what the article is talking about.
Are you saying that the referenced sources just don't understand how it all works
and that the "industrial-strength Logical Volume Manager" they want is achievable via
the current DM implementation in combination with appropriate high quality
user-space tools?
That certainly agrees with what I thought and why I was so confused by the article.
Thanks
Greg
--
Greg Freemyer
>> (Once more - with feeling this time!)
>> Device-Mapper is the new kernel driver in 2.5. It replaced the LVM1 kernel
>>
>> driver from 2.4. This driver provides generic "volume management"
>> capabilities. Specifically, it can create devices which simply redirect
>> I/O
>> to other underlying devices. Such a device could be thought of as a
>> "logical
>> volume".
>> LVM2 and EVMS are both actively developed projects that utilize the
>> Device-Mapper driver for creating their "logical volumes". Neither LVM2
>> nor
>> EVMS are (or will be) "in the kernel". All of the real complexity of
>> volume
>> management is done in user-space. It is far more sensible to ask a
>> question
>> like "will LVM2 and/or EVMS be included in the next release of Red Hat or
>> Debian?" And the next major release of these distros may not correspond
>> exactly with the release of the 2.6.0 kernel.
>> To prevent reposting all of the gory details, please see a very similar
>> previous discussion at:
>> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=104164610600002&r=1&w=2
>> and
>> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=104195031700002&r=1&w=2
>> On Wednesday 21 May 2003 12:42, Anastasios A. Papadopoulos \(Tas\) wrote:
>> > Now I am really confused. (Sorry folks, it doesn't take much).
>> >
>> > I thought that EVMS was dead. The EVMS web site says something to the
>> > effect that the new EVMS product will be mostly a front end for (LVM?).
>> Am
>> > I reading that wrong?
>> >
>> > Also in their announcement, the EVMS development group said that Linus
>> etal
>> > decided to include LVM but not EVMS.
>> >
>> > Can someone straighten me out, please?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Greg Freemyer" <freemyer at NorcrossGroup.com>
>> > To: "LVM Mailing list" <linux-lvm at sistina.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:06 PM
>> > Subject: [linux-lvm] What are they talking about?
>> >
>> >
>> > In the article at http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1054003,00.asp
>> >
>> > they talk about the 2.6 kernel having a DM, but not a LVM.
>> >
>> > What are they trying to say? What is it they think is missing?
>> >
>> > === Quote from the article
>> >
>> > According to Witham, a number of features that the development community
>> > believes are not yet ready to be incorporated into the 2.6 kernel may
>> very
>> > well be pushed to 2.7.
>> >
>> > Among these features are support for complete Non-Uniform Memory Access
>> > as well as an EVMS (Enterprise Volume Management System), which deals
>> > with the difficult and controversial issue of volume management, Frye
>> said,
>> > adding that 2.6 would be better than 2.4 in terms of volume management
>> even
>> > without the EVMS.
>> >
>> > Oracle Corp. and Red Hat Inc. officials have also previously called for
>> > volume
>> > management. Wim Coekaerts, principal member of Oracle's technical staff,
>> in
>> > Redwood Shores, Calif., said: "We would like Linux to have a Logical
>> Volume
>> > Manager. The 2.6 kernel will have a device manager, but we need an LVM."
>> >
>> > Paul Cornier, executive vice president of Red Hat, in Raleigh, N.C.,
>> > agreed.
>> >
>> > "Making a more generic cluster file system is important to us, as is an
>> > industrial-strength Logical Volume Manager," Cornier said. "A
>> distributed
>> > lock
>> > manager completes things. This is functionality that needs to go into
>> the
>> > operating
>> > system but is unlikely to be found in the next [kernel] upgrade."
>> >
>> > IBM's Frye said that there's clearly a need for an improved volume
>> > management
>> > system and that Linux is not yet good enough in that regard.
>> > ====
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Greg
>> > --
>> > Greg Freemyer
>> --
>> Kevin Corry
>> kevcorry at us.ibm.com
>> http://evms.sourceforge.net/
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