[linux-lvm] LVM snapshot with Clustered VG [SOLVED]

Vladislav Bogdanov bubble at hoster-ok.com
Fri Mar 15 17:16:34 UTC 2013

15.03.2013 18:55, Zdenek Kabelac пишет:
> Dne 15.3.2013 16:36, Vladislav Bogdanov napsal(a):
>> 15.03.2013 18:02, Zdenek Kabelac wrote:
>>> Dne 15.3.2013 15:51, Vladislav Bogdanov napsal(a):
>>>> 15.03.2013 16:32, Zdenek Kabelac wrote:
>>>>> Dne 15.3.2013 13:53, Vladislav Bogdanov napsal(a):
>>>>>> 15.03.2013 12:37, Zdenek Kabelac wrote:
>>>>>>> Dne 15.3.2013 10:29, Vladislav Bogdanov napsal(a):
>>>>>>>> 15.03.2013 12:00, Zdenek Kabelac wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dne 14.3.2013 22:57, Andreas Pflug napsal(a):
>>>>>>>>>> On 03/13/13 19:30, Vladislav Bogdanov wrote:
>>>>>>>> You could activate LVs with the above syntax [ael]
>>>>>>> (there is a tag support - so you could exclusively activate LV on
>>>>>>> remote
>>>>>>> node in via some configuration tags)
>>>>>> Could you please explain this - I do not see anything relevant in man
>>>>>> pages.
>>>>> Let's say - you have 3 nodes  A, B, C - each have a TAG_A, TAG_B,
>>>>> TAG_C,
>>>>> then on node A you may exclusively activate LV which has TAG_B - this
>>>>> will try to exclusively active LV on the node which has it configured
>>>>> in lvm.conf  (see the  volume_list= [])
>>>> Aha, if I understand correctly this is absolutely not what I need.
>>>> I want all this to be fully dynamic without any "config-editing
>>>> voodoo".
>>>>>>> And you want to 'upgrade' remote locks to something else ?
>>>>>> Yes, shared-to-exclusive end vice verse.
>>>>> So how do you convert the lock from   shared to exclusive without
>>>>> unlock
>>>>> (if I get it right - you keep the ConcurrentRead lock - and you
>>>>> want to
>>>>> take Exlusive -  to  make change state from  'active' to 'active
>>>>> exlusive')
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_lock_manager
>>>> I just pass LCKF_CONVERT to dlm_controld if requested and needed. And
>>>> that is dlm's task to either satisfy conversion or to refuse it.
>>> So to understand myself better this thing -
>>> the dlm sends 'unlock' requests to all other nodes except the one which
>>> should be converted to exclusive mode and send exclusive lock to the
>>> prefered node?
>> No.
>> clvmd sends request to a remote clvmd to upgrade or acquire or release
>> the lock.
>> That remote instance asks local dlm to do the job. dlm either says OK or
>> says ERROR.
>> It does not do anything except that.
>> It LV is locked on a remote node, be it shared or exclusive lock, dlm
>> says ERROR if exclusive lock (or conversion to it) is requested.
>> My patches also allow "-an --force" to release shared locks on other
>> nodes. Exclusive lock may be released or downgraded only on node which
>> holds it (or with --node <node>).
>>>>> Clvmd 'communicates' via these locks.
>>>> Not exactly true.
>>>> clvmd does cluster communications with corosync, which implements
>>>> virtual synchrony, so all cluster nodes receive messages in the same
>>>> order.
>>>> At the bottom, clvmd uses libdlm to communicate with dlm_controld and
>>>> request it to lock/unlock.
>>>> dlm_controld instances use corosync for membership and locally manages
>>>> in-kernel dlm counter-part, which uses tcp/sctp mesh-like
>>>> connections to
>>>> communicate.
>>>> So request from one clvmd instance goes to another and goes to kernel
>>>> from there, and then it is distributed to other nodes. Actually that
>>>> does not matter where does it hits kernel space if it supports
>>>> delegation of locks to remote nodes, but I suspect it doesn't. But
>>>> if it
>>>> doesn't support such thing, then the only option to manage lock on a
>>>> remote node is to request that's node dlm instance to do the locking
>>>> job.
>>>>> So the proper algorithm needs to be there for ending with some proper
>>>>> state after locks changes (and sorry I'm not a dlm expert here)
>>>> That is what actually happens.
>>>> There is just no difference between running (to upgrade local lock to
>>>> exclusive on node <node>.
>>>> ssh <node> lvchange -aey --force VG/LV
>>>> or
>>>> lvchange -aey --node <node> --force VG/LV
>>> --node is exactly what the tag is for - each node may have it's tag.
>>> lvm doesn't work with cluster nodes.
>> But corosync and dlm operate node IDs, and pacemaker operates node names
>> and IDs. None of them use tags.
>>> The question is - could be the code transformed to use this logic ?
>>> I guess you need to know  dlm node name here right ?
>> Node IDs are obtained from corosync membership list, and may be used for
>> that. If corosync is configured with nodelist in a way pacemaker wants
>> it
>> (http://clusterlabs.org/doc/en-US/Pacemaker/1.1/html/Pacemaker_Explained/s-node-name.html),
>> then node names may be used too.
> clvmd knows the dlm node name - but lvm command should reference things
> via tags. There will be probably no way to add '--node' option into lvm
> command.
> Can you think about using 'tags'?
> So your machines will have configured tags (be it machine name) and
> instead of the node - you would use 'tag' ?

So, --tag should be used instead on --node?
I'd better make --node a alias for --tag for exactly this case if that
is possible...
But... For those with cluster background --node is a native term while
--tag is... alien one... So, I'd better leave it as is.

> Zdenek

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