From b.rahul.pm at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 10:43:11 2012 From: b.rahul.pm at gmail.com (Rahul Bhalerao) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:13:11 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Lohit fonts in Android ICS? In-Reply-To: <4F9CF3AC.9070907@redhat.com> References: <4F9CF3AC.9070907@redhat.com> Message-ID: This is indeed a great news. Even I have to upgrade to ICS to check that. _ Rahul. On Apr 29, 2012 1:24 PM, "Parag Nemade" wrote: > Hi, > On 29/04/12 10:50, Shriramana Sharma wrote: > >> Hello, I just upgraded my Sony Xperia Neo V to ICS yesterday evening >> and to my pleasant surprise found that Tamil (my mother tongue) script >> is now displayed properly apart from the Devanagari + Bengali which >> were there in Gingerbread. >> >> Not only that, the appearance of the fonts looks as if they are the >> Lohit collection of fonts. Even the Devanagari font has changed >> appearance since Gingerbread and now looks like the Lohit Devanagari >> on my computer. 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Special thanks to Mr. Shriramana Sharma for not only providing his linguistic expertise but also drawing ligatures and shapes. :) Resolved bugs in this release are as follows: [1] "[ta_IN] Request to add Lohit Tamil Classical with old Tamil ligatures of -aa and -ai" [2] "[ta_IN] SHI SHII glyphs in Lohit Tamil font need to be corrected" [3] "[ta_IN] Please fine-tune glyphs of Tamil numerals and one symbol in Lohit Tamil font" See the Changelog for more information, download link available at https://fedorahosted.org/lohit Best Regards, Pravin Satpute 1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=795327 2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806591 3. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=807068 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bugzilla at redhat.com Wed Jun 6 12:50:50 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:50:50 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 Pravin Satpute changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED CC| |lohit-devel-list at redhat.com --- Comment #1 from Pravin Satpute --- Understood the problem, Thanks for http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Logicwiki/Sandbox?setlang=ta and pdf from Govt. it made difference clear. Will fix this soon. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Wed Jun 6 15:54:55 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:54:55 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 Shriramana Sharma changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |samjnaa at gmail.com --- Comment #2 from Shriramana Sharma --- I can't say I agree with this bug report. The Unicode Standard's chapter on Tamil (http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.1.0/ch09.pdf p 310 of book) already documents the fact that in accepted orthographic styles the ? shape changes to ? when it joins with ? ? and ?. It also notes that various governmental bodies recommend use of unmodified ? with these characters for educational purposes. Obviously these governmental bodies are trying to simplify the learning of the script for children. Maybe the TN Govt suggests use of unmodified ?. But Sri Lanka Govt suggests use of modified ? as per TUS 6.1. TN Govt is not the only deciding body about Tamil script because Tamil is also used in Sri Lanka and Malaysia. Therefore it is not true that this is a "bug" or that it should be fixed. Fedora is an international software (even though offices and Indic-related projects are located in Pune) and need not follow the mandates of a single government especially when other governments mandate otherwise. You can even see Tamil fonts released freely (but I think not under free licence) by TN Govt: 1) http://www.tn.nic.in/tamilsw/otf.zip from http://www.tn.nic.in/tamilsw/otf.htm 2) http://www.ildc.in/Tamil/GIST/Modular/Modular.zip from http://www.ildc.in/Tamil/GIST/htm/modular-otfonts.htm As far as I can see they all show this behaviour of "modified" shape of ?. Already in other parts of the world there are special fonts for literacy purposes i.e. specially to help teaching. For example see http://scripts.sil.org/andika and http://scripts.sil.org/SILEntityFonts. But these are clearly behaviours intended for specific usage contexts and not for general use. And when you read the TN Govt order which says that ?? ?? ?? should be rendered only with the / below and not without it, please also read the paragraph above that: """10. Font developers working on Tamil fonts to be procured by the Government of Tamil Nadu shall be required to follow orthographic conventions and standards and make the following distinctions:""" Lohit Tamil is of the community, by the community and for the community. It is not designed specially for procurement by the TN Govt for usage in TN Govt offices (although it may be freely used there under the OFL). So Lohit Tamil need not comply by these rules. I already noted above that Lohit Tamil is an internationally usable font and not subject to rules of a single regional Govt. (Other scripts are mostly localized within India. Not Tamil. Bengali is the only other exception, but such issues don't seem to exist there.) Anyhow, it should be noted that in fact historically "?" is the modified shape and it was originally identical to ? as seen in inscriptions and manuscripts because it is descended from Brahmi RA which looks like | which developed a horizontal head-stroke and the left-side support stroke to become today's RA. So it actually looked like ?. Later for disambiguation purpose they settled on adding a / stroke at bottom for RA. (Compare ? ? which also were both written as ? originally.) I personally would like to see Lohit Tamil retain its current behaviour. I learnt to write Tamil this way and would like to continue doing so. As noted, Unicode also gives only this as standard behaviour. If TN Govt would like to modify Lohit Tamil for its internal usage purpose, it may do so under the OFL. Thank you. P.S.: @Srikanth: Please don't take any of this personally. It is not directed against you. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Wed Jun 6 16:54:51 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:54:51 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #3 from Srikanth --- Thanks Shriramana for your inputs. There is nothing to take things personally here :) While I agree with you that Lohit is a font for community and particular Govt procurement standard should not be taken as baseline, I think we can still look at those recommendations at its merit. In my view, the intent of wanting ??,??,?? to have a / at bottom is to disambiguate and provide better readability then why not have it for the sake of better readability? PS: The bug was tagged with ta_IN(not by me), so should we be only considering about India ? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Wed Jun 6 17:49:20 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:49:20 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #4 from Pravin Satpute --- That is why i cc'ed this bug to lohit-devel to get comments from active contributors. Thanks Shriramana for detailed comment. Yes Lohit is default font in World Wide distributions so we have to follow international standards i.e. Unicode. Same time if possible we do support locale specific things not defined in Unicode but in local govt. In this case i do not see any chance to do customized changes specific to ta_IN locale. As Open Type only support lang code i.e. "TAM" not lang_contry TAM_IN code. http://www.microsoft.com/typography/developers/opentype/languagetags.aspx We should wait to get some consensus between Tamil Govt. defined standard and Unicode standard. @Srikanth between how Wikipedia handle this, language wise or language_country wise? i think its language wise, so this problem is application to ta.wikipedia.org as well :) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Wed Jun 6 18:20:57 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 18:20:57 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #5 from Srikanth --- (In reply to comment #4) > That is why i cc'ed this bug to lohit-devel to get comments from active > contributors. Thanks Shriramana for detailed comment. > > Yes Lohit is default font in World Wide distributions so we have to follow > international standards i.e. Unicode. > > Same time if possible we do support locale specific things not defined in > Unicode but in local govt. > > In this case i do not see any chance to do customized changes specific to > ta_IN locale. As Open Type only support lang code i.e. "TAM" not lang_contry > TAM_IN code. > http://www.microsoft.com/typography/developers/opentype/languagetags.aspx > > We should wait to get some consensus between Tamil Govt. defined standard > and Unicode standard. Unicode leaves it to typographical preference. So both are right. TamilNadu Govt standard restricts to only one form. Since its a question of preference and even as per Unicode, the preference is only different in Srilanka, where as Tamil Nadu, Singapore, Malaysia fall in same line for this case. So its not that we need to wait for concensus between Unicode and Tamil Govt, but me and Shriramana need to have concensus :) > @Srikanth between how Wikipedia handle this, language wise or > language_country wise? i think its language wise, so this problem is > application to ta.wikipedia.org as well :) Wikipedia community is small and hence there has not been divisions, but elsewhere (like wordpress http://ta-lk.wordpress.org/ ) there have been specific language_country efforts. :) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Wed Jun 6 22:02:11 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 22:02:11 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #6 from Shriramana Sharma --- Hey Srikanth, thanks for taking this in a sporting manner! You are right that probably in the end it is only needed for you and I to have consensus as far as this bug is concerned, but IMO I think it would be useful to take some "census" :-) as to what the community actually thinks rather than what a few Govt bureaucrats think!? As I already pointed out, even fonts released by the TN Govt are having the actual traditional style glyphs. So they themselves are not behaving consistently with their own order. But as you rightly said, whoever is following it or not is irrelevant, and the question is whether it would be good for Lohit to support this new orthography in the interests of readability for the community. I wonder what is a good way to reach out to the actual Tamil users among the OSS community... Please give some time on this and don't hurriedly close it either way. I'll discuss with some other friends whether we can reach out to at least certain representative (?) sections of the Tamil computing community. P.S.: A solution would be to make Lohit Tamil take "new" shapes of ? (i.e. as per TN Govt requirements) whereas to leave Lohit Tamil Classical with "old" shapes. Pravin, what do you think of that? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From samjnaa at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 07:32:54 2012 From: samjnaa at gmail.com (Shriramana Sharma) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:02:54 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Released 2.5.1 version of the Lohit Tamil and Lohit Tamil Classical In-Reply-To: <4FCDFAB3.4040509@redhat.com> References: <4FCDFAB3.4040509@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Pravin Satpute wrote: > > ?? Announcing the release of Lohit Tamil 2.5.1 with bug fixes and > enhancements. Added new font "Lohit Tamil Classical" specifically for Tamil > Classical. Hello. The installed font name for the classical orthography font seems to be "Lohit TamilClassical" without a space between "Tamil" and "Classical". Is this intentional? It is difficult to read and seems unwieldy. I would request including a space in between. -- Shriramana Sharma From psatpute at redhat.com Thu Jun 7 08:45:17 2012 From: psatpute at redhat.com (Pravin Satpute) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:15:17 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Released 2.5.1 version of the Lohit Tamil and Lohit Tamil Classical In-Reply-To: References: <4FCDFAB3.4040509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4FD06A1D.5010104@redhat.com> On ??????? 07 ??? 2012 01:02 ?.??., Shriramana Sharma wrote: > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Pravin Satpute wrote: >> Announcing the release of Lohit Tamil 2.5.1 with bug fixes and >> enhancements. Added new font "Lohit Tamil Classical" specifically for Tamil >> Classical. > Hello. The installed font name for the classical orthography font > seems to be "Lohit TamilClassical" without a space between "Tamil" and > "Classical". Is this intentional? It is difficult to read and seems > unwieldy. I would request including a space in between. > I was thinking to make "Tamil Classical" bit shorter any suggestions ? "Lohit TA Classical" ? If no other good alternative, i can simply change name as planned earlier. Thanks, Pravin Satpute From samjnaa at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 08:50:05 2012 From: samjnaa at gmail.com (Shriramana Sharma) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:20:05 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Released 2.5.1 version of the Lohit Tamil and Lohit Tamil Classical In-Reply-To: <4FD06A1D.5010104@redhat.com> References: <4FCDFAB3.4040509@redhat.com> <4FD06A1D.5010104@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Pravin Satpute wrote: > "Lohit TA Classical" ? That is not very readable. > If no other good alternative, i can simply change name as planned earlier. On my system I am able to install the font by renaming it as "Lohit Tamil Classical" with a space. What is the problem in having the space? Saving one space doesn't make a difference in compatibility or such, and it tremendously improves readability. Please add the space. BTW I can't post to fonts @ lists.fedoraproject.org as I am not a member there so I'm removing that from CC. -- Shriramana Sharma From psatpute at redhat.com Thu Jun 7 09:09:04 2012 From: psatpute at redhat.com (Pravin Satpute) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:39:04 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Released 2.5.1 version of the Lohit Tamil and Lohit Tamil Classical In-Reply-To: References: <4FCDFAB3.4040509@redhat.com> <4FD06A1D.5010104@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4FD06FB0.2050502@redhat.com> On ??????? 07 ??? 2012 02:20 ?.??., Shriramana Sharma wrote: > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Pravin Satpute wrote: >> "Lohit TA Classical" ? > That is not very readable. > >> If no other good alternative, i can simply change name as planned earlier. > On my system I am able to install the font by renaming it as "Lohit > Tamil Classical" with a space. What is the problem in having the > space? Saving one space doesn't make a difference in compatibility or > such, and it tremendously improves readability. Please add the space. Yes, agree removing single space does not make much difference. No props, i am adding space into it. - Pravin Satpute From samjnaa at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 09:25:46 2012 From: samjnaa at gmail.com (Shriramana Sharma) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:55:46 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Released 2.5.1 version of the Lohit Tamil and Lohit Tamil Classical In-Reply-To: <4FD06FB0.2050502@redhat.com> References: <4FCDFAB3.4040509@redhat.com> <4FD06A1D.5010104@redhat.com> <4FD06FB0.2050502@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Pravin Satpute wrote: > Yes, agree removing single space does not make much difference. > No props, i am adding space into it. Yes thank you. And within the tarball it would obviously be Lohit-Tamil-Classical.ttf -- Shriramana Sharma From psatpute at redhat.com Thu Jun 7 09:42:10 2012 From: psatpute at redhat.com (Pravin Satpute) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:12:10 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Released 2.5.1 version of the Lohit Tamil and Lohit Tamil Classical In-Reply-To: References: <4FCDFAB3.4040509@redhat.com> <4FD06A1D.5010104@redhat.com> <4FD06FB0.2050502@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4FD07772.6000609@redhat.com> On ??????? 07 ??? 2012 02:55 ?.??., Shriramana Sharma wrote: > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Pravin Satpute wrote: >> Yes, agree removing single space does not make much difference. >> No props, i am adding space into it. > Yes thank you. And within the tarball it would obviously be > Lohit-Tamil-Classical.ttf > Yes Done. Released Minor update 2.5.1.1. for lohit-tamil-classical with updated fontname "Lohit Tamil Classical" Regards, Pravin Satpute From bugzilla at redhat.com Mon Jun 11 08:08:26 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:08:26 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #7 from Shriramana Sharma --- I have been thinking over it and discussed with some of my friends. They say that not only GoTN but they also prefer to have uniform ? shape even with vowel signs ? ? and virama ?. I hence agree for Lohit Tamil to have glyphs of ?? ?? ?? to have same consonant shape as regular ?. However Lohit Tamil Classical should have the existing glyphs only, because just like the ?? ?? etc behaviour, the current ?? ?? ?? glyphs are the "classical" forms also. If this is agreeable to all, then one may proceed to modify the Lohit Tamil font as requested by Srikanth. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Mon Jun 11 11:10:10 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:10:10 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #8 from Srikanth --- It is fine to keep the current glyphs on the Classical font. Please proceed with the changes on Lohit-Tamil only. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From psatpute at redhat.com Tue Jun 12 10:53:49 2012 From: psatpute at redhat.com (Pravin Satpute) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:23:49 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Migrated Lohit repository from svn to git Message-ID: <4FD71FBD.5020805@redhat.com> Hi All, This was in plan from long time. Done this today thanks for Fedora infrastructure team for this migration. Now one can get latest lohit sfd in following ways. *Anonymous GIT access* $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git *Read and Write Url* $ git clone ssh://@git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git Updated this information on https://fedorahosted.org/lohit as well. Let me know if anyone face any problem while accessing Lohit files. Regards, Pravin Satpute -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samjnaa at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 10:58:58 2012 From: samjnaa at gmail.com (Shriramana Sharma) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:28:58 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Migrated Lohit repository from svn to git In-Reply-To: <4FD71FBD.5020805@redhat.com> References: <4FD71FBD.5020805@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Pravin Satpute wrote: > Anonymous GIT access > $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git Using Kubuntu 12.04. $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git Cloning into 'lohit'... fatal: I don't handle protocol 'http' $ Please help. I hope it's not a Fedora/Kubuntu difference. -- Shriramana Sharma From samjnaa at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 11:01:17 2012 From: samjnaa at gmail.com (Shriramana Sharma) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:31:17 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Migrated Lohit repository from svn to git In-Reply-To: References: <4FD71FBD.5020805@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Shriramana Sharma wrote: > > $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git > Cloning into 'lohit'... > fatal: I don't handle protocol 'http' > $ The following works for me: $ git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/lohit.git Cloning into 'lohit'... Why is this difference? -- Shriramana Sharma From psatpute at redhat.com Tue Jun 12 11:02:56 2012 From: psatpute at redhat.com (Pravin Satpute) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:32:56 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Migrated Lohit repository from svn to git In-Reply-To: References: <4FD71FBD.5020805@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4FD721E0.9060704@redhat.com> On 06/12/2012 04:28 PM, Shriramana Sharma wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Pravin Satpute wrote: >> Anonymous GIT access >> $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git > Using Kubuntu 12.04. > > $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git > Cloning into 'lohit'... > fatal: I don't handle protocol 'http' > $ > > Please help. I hope it's not a Fedora/Kubuntu difference. Can you clone any other git repo? try $ git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/lohit.git Regards, Pravin Satpute From psatpute at redhat.com Tue Jun 12 11:14:34 2012 From: psatpute at redhat.com (Pravin Satpute) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:44:34 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Migrated Lohit repository from svn to git In-Reply-To: References: <4FD71FBD.5020805@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4FD7249A.7080908@redhat.com> On 06/12/2012 04:31 PM, Shriramana Sharma wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Shriramana Sharma wrote: >> $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git >> Cloning into 'lohit'... >> fatal: I don't handle protocol 'http' >> $ > The following works for me: > > $ git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/lohit.git > Cloning into 'lohit'... > > Why is this difference? Can you access any other git repo using http://? I am facing same problem as you with git-1.7.10.2-1.fc17.x86_64 I have not dig much into it. AFAIK git protocol is bit faster for accessing git repo than http:// Will ask fedora infrastructure for it, might be some configuration missing. https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3328 Regards, Pravin Satpute From pnemade at redhat.com Tue Jun 12 11:47:14 2012 From: pnemade at redhat.com (Parag Nemade) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:17:14 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Migrated Lohit repository from svn to git In-Reply-To: <4FD71FBD.5020805@redhat.com> References: <4FD71FBD.5020805@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4FD72C42.10903@redhat.com> Hi Pravin, On 12/06/12 16:23, Pravin Satpute wrote: > Hi All, > > This was in plan from long time. Done this today thanks for Fedora > infrastructure team for this migration. > Now one can get latest lohit sfd in following ways. > > *Anonymous GIT access* > $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git > > *Read and Write Url* > $ git clone ssh://@git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git > Thanks for this information. 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URL: From pnemade at redhat.com Tue Jun 12 11:56:59 2012 From: pnemade at redhat.com (Parag Nemade) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:26:59 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Migrated Lohit repository from svn to git In-Reply-To: <4FD7249A.7080908@redhat.com> References: <4FD71FBD.5020805@redhat.com> <4FD7249A.7080908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4FD72E8B.8030502@redhat.com> On 12/06/12 16:44, Pravin Satpute wrote: > On 06/12/2012 04:31 PM, Shriramana Sharma wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Shriramana Sharma wrote: >>> $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git >>> Cloning into 'lohit'... >>> fatal: I don't handle protocol 'http' >>> $ >> The following works for me: >> >> $ git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/lohit.git >> Cloning into 'lohit'... >> >> Why is this difference? > Can you access any other git repo using http://? > I am facing same problem as you with git-1.7.10.2-1.fc17.x86_64 > > I have not dig much into it. AFAIK git protocol is bit faster for > accessing git repo than http:// > Will ask fedora infrastructure for it, might be some configuration missing. > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3328 I faced similar issues when iok project moved from svn to git. I think the migration was not clean. I too got issues with http protocol clone but after re-importing svn of iok to fresh empty git repo resolved issue for me. But in your case the message looks different. Parag. From pnemade at redhat.com Tue Jun 12 12:19:45 2012 From: pnemade at redhat.com (Parag Nemade) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:49:45 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Migrated Lohit repository from svn to git In-Reply-To: <4FD72E8B.8030502@redhat.com> References: <4FD71FBD.5020805@redhat.com> <4FD7249A.7080908@redhat.com> <4FD72E8B.8030502@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4FD733E1.9070102@redhat.com> On 12/06/12 17:26, Parag Nemade wrote: > On 12/06/12 16:44, Pravin Satpute wrote: >> On 06/12/2012 04:31 PM, Shriramana Sharma wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Shriramana Sharma >>> wrote: >>>> $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git >>>> Cloning into 'lohit'... >>>> fatal: I don't handle protocol 'http' >>>> $ >>> The following works for me: >>> >>> $ git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/lohit.git >>> Cloning into 'lohit'... >>> >>> Why is this difference? >> Can you access any other git repo using http://? >> I am facing same problem as you with git-1.7.10.2-1.fc17.x86_64 >> >> I have not dig much into it. AFAIK git protocol is bit faster for >> accessing git repo than http:// >> Will ask fedora infrastructure for it, might be some configuration >> missing. >> >> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3328 > I faced similar issues when iok project moved from svn to git. I think > the migration was not clean. I too got issues with http protocol clone > but after re-importing svn of iok to fresh empty git repo resolved > issue for me. But in your case the message looks different. > I found the problem. Pravin, while typing the command to clone you inserted <200b> character before http:// URL. When I typed anonymous http clone command, it worked for me. > Parag. > > _______________________________________________ > Lohit-devel-list mailing list > Lohit-devel-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/lohit-devel-list From psatpute at redhat.com Wed Jun 13 06:54:40 2012 From: psatpute at redhat.com (Pravin Satpute) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:24:40 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] fc-match/fc-cahe and setting Lohit as default font on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FD83930.50107@redhat.com> On 06/13/2012 01:43 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: cc'ed to lohit-devel so we can get more views on same. > Hello Pravin, > > I remember you told me some commands and edited a font config file to > make Lohit as default font at Mumbai. I need those to the new Lohit > Tamil / Classical on my machine, somehow search is not helping me > properly :(. Yes sure. You can see 66-lohit-tamil-classical.conf file is available with lohit-tamil-classical release. 1. rename 66-lohit-tamil-classical.conf to 65-0-lohit-tamil-classical.conf 2. copy it to /etc/fonts/conf.d/ Done, it should override 65-nonlatin.conf for tamil sans font. > > I would also like to know > > 1. If Lohit-Tamil 2.5.1 would be available in ubuntu packages sometime > soon? I dunno who is package maintainer for Ubuntu, might be santhosh know this. I will definitely help if any problem. It will be good if we can update lohit package regularly in Ubuntu as well with this way we can get more testing of fonts. > 2. If the above way of setting system's default font is "hackish", is > there a right way to set it? It is right way to set it as per the fontconfig, following same way in Fedora. I have renamed 66-lohit-tamil.conf to 65-0-lohit-tamil.conf to make it default font for Fedora. Same way once distro decide regarding default font for particular language. They can update package accordingly. > > One requirement is to have Lohit-Tamil set as default font on the > Collection server (PDF/ODT render server) so that items generated > (typically downloadable wiki pages) through the server uses > Lohit-Tamil for rendering as one feedback we got was that Lohit-Tamil > is better font on ODT file than the current ubuntu default font. Since > wmf servers are puppet based, am not sure if hackish solutions will be > possible / encouraged. Me too not sure how to configure font for particular application. Might be you can ask to particular package upstream or fontconfig-list is there any way. Best Regards, Pravin Satpute From bugzilla at redhat.com Wed Jun 13 10:52:37 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:52:37 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #9 from Pravin Satpute --- Yes, looks fare enough. One can choose between Lohit Tamil and Classical according to his need. As you both are agree and do not see any oppose from anyone. i will do this changes. Can you test http://pravins.fedorapeople.org/Lohit-Tamil.ttf and give your comments. I have enhanced this by removing consonants+halant ligature by adding GPOS rules. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Wed Jun 13 14:41:15 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:41:15 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #10 from Shriramana Sharma --- Created attachment 591529 --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=591529&action=edit ZIP of ODT containing relevant text, PDFs showing current rendering I have now tested the new font. The bottom / is OK, but there are some positioning issues. I notice that you have removed the entire set of vowelless consonants and the precomposed glyph for ?? from the glyphs (but you have not removed ??). I presume you are trying to get the same effect using GPOS. However, the results are not altogether entirely satisfactory. The weird thing is that the positioning is different on Linux (Kubuntu 12.04 LibreOffice 3.5.3) and Windows XP (LO 3.5.0). Please see the attached files which show the rendering on Linux and Windows. You can see that the rendering of Lohit Tamil 2.5.1 is virtually the same on Linux and Windows [except for the fact that Win XP doesn't recognize SHA :-(]. But for the testing TTF version it is quite different. On Linux: The ? for ?? is somewhat more to the left. The attachment point of the ? should be vertically aligned with the right side vertical stroke of the ?. The pulli-s (Tamil virama) on the consonants are mostly OK, in the sense that they are identical to the rendering of the published Lohit Tamil 2.5.1 (I might have some suggestions for that in the future too) but for ?? the pulli is too far to the left. On Windows: The misalignment of ? for ?? is higher in this case, and as for the pulli-s, they have totally gone haywire. You can see it in the PDF. Comments: While mostly I work on Linux, for some purposes I still am not able to leave Windows XP. Apparently your GPOS rules are recognized correctly by the latest Linux but not by the old Win XP. I cannot afford to upgrade to latest Windows which might (or might not) have fixed the GPOS problem. I would like to keep using Lohit Tamil on Win XP also. With the haywire condition of the pulli-s in the testing version, it has become unusable. There is also no point in removing the single ?? when the whole series of CONSONANT + VS-II is having individual precomposed glyphs. Actually the Tamil font is very light (and it is Lohit Kannada which you should be trying to lighten up as I have reported as bug #825115) so there is not much gain in removing the single glyph (but only GPOS headache). Removing the pulli series and using GPOS has had the positive effect of making sure that pulli for all consonants is at the same height. But as mentioned it is causing problems in Windows. If you are particular about lightening the font you can use composite glyphs (which do not contain outlines but only references to existing outlines). Recommendations: Restore the precomposed glyph for ?? with proper attachment of ? but with / in the bottom as requested. If you wish to lighten the font and not give a full pulli series, please use composite glyphs. Otherwise, just retain the old series and just ensure that ?? gets its / below. Only then the usability under Win XP could be maintained (please!). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From psatpute at redhat.com Thu Jun 14 05:22:36 2012 From: psatpute at redhat.com (Pravin Satpute) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:52:36 +0530 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] Migrated Lohit repository from svn to git In-Reply-To: <4FD733E1.9070102@redhat.com> References: <4FD71FBD.5020805@redhat.com> <4FD7249A.7080908@redhat.com> <4FD72E8B.8030502@redhat.com> <4FD733E1.9070102@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4FD9751C.30206@redhat.com> On 06/12/2012 05:49 PM, Parag Nemade wrote: > On 12/06/12 17:26, Parag Nemade wrote: >> On 12/06/12 16:44, Pravin Satpute wrote: >>> On 06/12/2012 04:31 PM, Shriramana Sharma wrote: >>>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Shriramana Sharma >>>> wrote: >>>>> $ git clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/lohit.git >>>>> Cloning into 'lohit'... >>>>> fatal: I don't handle protocol 'http' >>>>> $ >>>> The following works for me: >>>> >>>> $ git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/lohit.git >>>> Cloning into 'lohit'... >>>> >>>> Why is this difference? >>> Can you access any other git repo using http://? >>> I am facing same problem as you with git-1.7.10.2-1.fc17.x86_64 >>> >>> I have not dig much into it. AFAIK git protocol is bit faster for >>> accessing git repo than http:// >>> Will ask fedora infrastructure for it, might be some configuration >>> missing. >>> >>> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3328 >> I faced similar issues when iok project moved from svn to git. I >> think the migration was not clean. I too got issues with http >> protocol clone but after re-importing svn of iok to fresh empty git >> repo resolved issue for me. But in your case the message looks >> different. >> > I found the problem. Pravin, while typing the command to clone you > inserted <200b> character before http:// URL. When I typed anonymous > http clone command, it worked for me. That's great. Dunno how that character came in. Parag Thanks a lot for troubleshoot :) I have update www.fedorahosted.org/lohit git clone link Regards, Pravin Satpute From bugzilla at redhat.com Thu Jun 14 11:50:54 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:50:54 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #11 from Pravin Satpute --- Thanks for detail testing. There was minor problem thats why it was not working on Windows. Updated http://pravins.fedorapeople.org/Lohit-Tamil.ttf this should work on Windows as well. We have removed Virama ligatures with Consonants since we do not required those. With positioning we have complete freedom to place VIRAMA wherever we want. Let me know if you find any difference with enhancements i tried my best to keep position same. Did not removed ?? since i did not found matching "VOWEL SING I" in font. So let it be. But yes, if we can design U+0BBF (SIGN I) which can match with some consonants i would like to update it. Yes, we should remove ?? series as well but i think we can not remove all ligature in that series. Let me know which we can remove without affecting overall output. I will update it. May be on another bug If you are happy with this enhancements i will update Classical fonts as well. Off course not for RA, RI and RII shapes :) Yes, Kannada one is pending we will work on it soon. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Fri Jun 15 02:59:05 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:59:05 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #12 from Shriramana Sharma --- Created attachment 591974 --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=591974&action=edit ZIP of ODT containing relevant text, PDFs showing current rendering (In reply to comment #11) > Updated http://pravins.fedorapeople.org/Lohit-Tamil.ttf this should work on > Windows as well. Now it is working somewhat but not totally. See below. > We have removed Virama ligatures with Consonants since we do not required > those. With positioning we have complete freedom to place VIRAMA wherever we > want. Well the point was that the GPOS implementations on Windows and Linux seem different, so unlike the precomposed glyphs (which render identical on both platforms) the GPOS positioning of pulli on the consonants differ between the platforms. > Let me know if you find any difference with enhancements i tried my > best to keep position same. On Kubuntu, now the positioning is practically identical as of the released Lohit Tamil 2.5.1 font with precomposed pulli consonants. So that's fine. I presume other Linux distros will have the same behaviour. The thing is, there is still difference in Windows and Kubuntu. On Windows the placing is still awkward for some of the consonants. I have now attached the rendering of the same ODT as before on Kubuntu 12.04 LO 3.5.3 and Windows XP LO 3.5.4 (I upgraded the Windows LO just now). You can compare them with the control PDFs generated by 2.5.1 on both platforms. The position of the pulli on ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? is still too much to the right. Now the GPOS positioning is obviously different on different platforms (even though it is not supposed to be) and I realize that you may not be able to perform testing on Win XP yourself. Supporting proper rendering on Win XP (which even by Microsoft standards is outdated and has many other rendering problems) may not be high on your priorities. My request is only that in the interests of helping people use open fonts even on non-open platforms, you go back to the precomposed glyphs but to cut down on the font size you can use composite glyphs which I have described before. Given that precomposed glyphs as simple glyphs (with copied outlines) are already there, using precomposed glyphs as composite glyphs (with referenced outlines) should not be a problem. If you think all is too much of an effort and expense on time and resources, I will not object if you give up trying to fix the rendering on Win XP, and will just maintain my own local fork for usage on Windows. (I already do so anyway.) > Did not removed ?? since i did not found matching "VOWEL SING I" in font. So > let it be. But yes, if we can design U+0BBF (SIGN I) which can match with > some consonants i would like to update it. No no, the point was not asking you to remove ??, the point was to ask you to restore ??. > Yes, we should remove ?? series as well but i think we can not remove all > ligature in that series. You can neither remove -? series nor -? series. The cursive connection for each consonant is simply different. The point is to have a complete set of precomposed cursively connected set of consonants, so you should restore ??. > Let me know which we can remove without affecting > overall output. I will update it. May be on another bug I think it is not worth the effort trying to optimize this. Lohit Tamil is one of the lightest Lohit fonts. We should rather be trying to optimize more heavier fonts. > If you are happy with this enhancements i will update Classical fonts as > well. Off course not for RA, RI and RII shapes :) As I said, the rendering on Linux seems to be okay but not on Windows. Please let me know what you decide regarding using composite glyphs which would help to maintain same appearance and usability on Windows. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Fri Jun 15 12:32:23 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:32:23 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #13 from Pravin Satpute --- Backward compatibility is must. If it is not giving expected result on Windows will not do this at time. For the time being we will only go with the changes required for fixing this bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Sun Jun 17 15:43:59 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:43:59 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #14 from Shriramana Sharma --- Thanks Pravin. I also discovered just now that your proposed font also causes vowelless consonants to have more advance width than just basic consonants which is inappropriate as in Tamil the pulli is always placed above, so there should be no change in advance width. As you say, it is advisable to keep backward compatibility and so please fix what is needed for this bug only. We will revisit the pulli consonants matter later. Thank you. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Mon Jun 18 12:45:47 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:45:47 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #15 from Pravin Satpute --- update Lohit Tamil with changes http://pravins.fedorapeople.org/Lohit-Tamil.ttf , will commit it tomorrow in trunk. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Tue Jun 19 09:55:18 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:55:18 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 Fedora Update System changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |MODIFIED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Tue Jun 19 09:55:26 2012 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:55:26 +0000 Subject: [Lohit-devel-list] [Bug 829143] [ta_IN] Fix Rendering of Letter RA, RI, RII per GoTN standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=829143 --- Comment #16 from Fedora Update System --- lohit-tamil-fonts-2.5.1-2.fc17 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 17. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/lohit-tamil-fonts-2.5.1-2.fc17 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.