From msevior at physics.unimelb.edu.au Wed Jul 12 00:13:23 2006 From: msevior at physics.unimelb.edu.au (msevior at physics.unimelb.edu.au) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:13:23 +1000 (EST) Subject: [olpc-software] Re: Documents on the OLPC In-Reply-To: <408d079d0607102328vf8bab0ekcd2912fe85b13619@mail.gmail.com> References: <408d079d0607100405m275ad7d2l1766bdfdebbe0b46@mail.gmail.com> <44B235ED.4010407@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu> <408d079d0607100629s2baebd43n21e5632a9bf2a370@mail.gmail.com> <44B2C61D.6060309@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu> <408d079d0607102328vf8bab0ekcd2912fe85b13619@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1095.210.49.194.209.1152663203.squirrel@kiosk.ph.unimelb.edu.au> > > On 7/10/06, Ivan Krstic wrote: >> Robert Staudinger wrote: >> > The only statement >> > we have is that AbiWord is considered for the OLPC but unfortunately >> > we do now know if/how it is supposed to interoperate with the planned >> > onboard "wiki" or "document storage and manipulation system" in >> > whatever incanation. >> >> I should have a spec about this available soon. To be perfectly level >> with you, and while I use Abiword and like it quite a bit, I see any >> real (standalone) word processor on the Laptop as a crutch to be removed >> as soon as possible in one of the next software iterations, and in favor >> of a minimalistic, Writely-like in-browser solution that directly >> integrates with the wiki. This is my personal opinion, and isn't >> universally shared here; more details in the spec, and I'll remember to >> point you to it when it's up. Until then, excuse the brevity of the >> following answers. > > Thanks for speaking so frankly. > >> > what will the primary document format on the OLPC be? >> >> Undecided, but moving quickly. >> >> > how are the stored documents accessed (local ones, remote ones)? >> >> Will be detailed in the spec. >> >> > will documents be versioned, tracking of changes? >> >> Fully. >> >> > are there any plans for collaborative editing? >> >> Yes, both almost-real-time for documents, and merge-mode for things like >> eBook annotations. > > That's very interesting information. > For your information, AbiWord has a total real-time collaborative editing feature under heavy evelopment (like sub-ethaedit but which handles all word-processor features). This extends to the ability to update documents on a remote server also in real time. In other words, we're planning to leap-frog Writely. The time-frame for stabilizing these developments is similar to the OLPC. Erik's work can continue in parallel with no worry of interference. Does OLPC plan to have an IM feature? I ask because we use XMPP to connect our collaborative sessions, but we we can use a diferent protocol for the OLPC if needed. Anyway, we'll keep you informed and you can watch our progress. Best regards, Martin Sevior > Best, > Rob > From alan.kay at squeakland.org Wed Jul 12 18:31:30 2006 From: alan.kay at squeakland.org (Alan Kay) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:31:30 -0700 Subject: [olpc-software] Re: Documents on the OLPC In-Reply-To: <1095.210.49.194.209.1152663203.squirrel@kiosk.ph.unimelb.e du.au> References: <408d079d0607100405m275ad7d2l1766bdfdebbe0b46@mail.gmail.com> <44B235ED.4010407@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu> <408d079d0607100629s2baebd43n21e5632a9bf2a370@mail.gmail.com> <44B2C61D.6060309@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu> <408d079d0607102328vf8bab0ekcd2912fe85b13619@mail.gmail.com> <1095.210.49.194.209.1152663203.squirrel@kiosk.ph.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060712112936.10c85988@mail.squeakland.org> To all -- And don't forget that whatever document format/app you choose to use or make, it needs to be able to allow authoring and running of children's graphical scripts of the Logo or Etoy type. Cheers, Alan At 05:13 PM 7/11/2006, msevior at physics.unimelb.edu.au wrote: > > > > On 7/10/06, Ivan Krstic wrote: > >> Robert Staudinger wrote: > >> > The only statement > >> > we have is that AbiWord is considered for the OLPC but unfortunately > >> > we do now know if/how it is supposed to interoperate with the planned > >> > onboard "wiki" or "document storage and manipulation system" in > >> > whatever incanation. > >> > >> I should have a spec about this available soon. To be perfectly level > >> with you, and while I use Abiword and like it quite a bit, I see any > >> real (standalone) word processor on the Laptop as a crutch to be removed > >> as soon as possible in one of the next software iterations, and in favor > >> of a minimalistic, Writely-like in-browser solution that directly > >> integrates with the wiki. This is my personal opinion, and isn't > >> universally shared here; more details in the spec, and I'll remember to > >> point you to it when it's up. Until then, excuse the brevity of the > >> following answers. > > > > Thanks for speaking so frankly. > > > >> > what will the primary document format on the OLPC be? > >> > >> Undecided, but moving quickly. > >> > >> > how are the stored documents accessed (local ones, remote ones)? > >> > >> Will be detailed in the spec. > >> > >> > will documents be versioned, tracking of changes? > >> > >> Fully. > >> > >> > are there any plans for collaborative editing? > >> > >> Yes, both almost-real-time for documents, and merge-mode for things like > >> eBook annotations. > > > > That's very interesting information. > > > >For your information, AbiWord has a total real-time collaborative editing >feature under heavy evelopment (like sub-ethaedit but which handles all >word-processor features). This extends to the ability to update documents >on a remote server also in real time. In other words, we're planning to >leap-frog Writely. The time-frame for stabilizing these developments is >similar to the OLPC. Erik's work can continue in parallel with no worry of >interference. > >Does OLPC plan to have an IM feature? I ask because we use XMPP to connect >our collaborative sessions, but we we can use a diferent protocol for the >OLPC if needed. > >Anyway, we'll keep you informed and you can watch our progress. > >Best regards, > >Martin Sevior > > > Best, > > Rob > > > > >-- >olpc-software mailing list >olpc-software at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/olpc-software From msevior at physics.unimelb.edu.au Thu Jul 13 04:34:52 2006 From: msevior at physics.unimelb.edu.au (Martin Sevior) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:34:52 +1000 Subject: [olpc-software] Touch Typing program? In-Reply-To: <44A12B62.8050907@redhat.com> References: <44A12B62.8050907@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1152765293.11108.58.camel@seviorpc.ph.unimelb.edu.au> Hi All, Please forgive this question, but I have seen no mention of one of the most obvious programs needed for the project. Is there a program to teach touch typing for the OLPC? I'd like to learn myself :-) My daughter has the use of a nice commercial program at her school (she is 12 years old and now her skills are now better than mine) but I have not found appropriate Open Source program for Linux. Cheers Martin Sevior From sundaram at redhat.com Thu Jul 13 05:53:54 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:23:54 +0530 Subject: [olpc-software] Touch Typing program? In-Reply-To: <1152765293.11108.58.camel@seviorpc.ph.unimelb.edu.au> References: <44A12B62.8050907@redhat.com> <1152765293.11108.58.camel@seviorpc.ph.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <44B5DFF2.2050506@redhat.com> Martin Sevior wrote: > Hi All, > Please forgive this question, but I have seen no mention of one > of the most obvious programs needed for the project. > > Is there a program to teach touch typing for the OLPC? > > I'd like to learn myself :-) > > My daughter has the use of a nice commercial program at her school (she > is 12 years old and now her skills are now better than mine) but I have > not found appropriate Open Source program for Linux. > > Cheers > > Martin Sevior > I havent heard of any plans to include such a program with OLPC by default but there are several such open source software that can be potentially used Tuxtype http://fedoraproject.org/extras/5/i386/repodata/repoview/tuxtype2-0-1.5.3-1.fc5.html Ktouch, which is part of KDE Edu. gtypist and emacs-gypist are open source but doesnt fit the target audience. Rahul From msevior at physics.unimelb.edu.au Fri Jul 14 08:08:47 2006 From: msevior at physics.unimelb.edu.au (Martin Sevior) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:08:47 +1000 Subject: [olpc-software] Touch Typing program? In-Reply-To: <44B5DFF2.2050506@redhat.com> References: <44A12B62.8050907@redhat.com> <1152765293.11108.58.camel@seviorpc.ph.unimelb.edu.au> <44B5DFF2.2050506@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1152864527.2744.13.camel@seviorpc.ph.unimelb.edu.au> On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 11:23 +0530, Rahul wrote: > Martin Sevior wrote: > > Hi All, > > Please forgive this question, but I have seen no mention of one > > of the most obvious programs needed for the project. > > > > Is there a program to teach touch typing for the OLPC? > > > > I'd like to learn myself :-) > > > > My daughter has the use of a nice commercial program at her school (she > > is 12 years old and now her skills are now better than mine) but I have > > not found appropriate Open Source program for Linux. > > > > Cheers > > > > Martin Sevior > > > > I havent heard of any plans to include such a program with OLPC by > default but there are several such open source software that can be > potentially used > > Tuxtype > http://fedoraproject.org/extras/5/i386/repodata/repoview/tuxtype2-0-1.5.3-1.fc5.html > > Ktouch, which is part of KDE Edu. gtypist and emacs-gypist are open > source but doesnt fit the target audience. > Hi Rahul, Thanks very much! It's a great program. I hope OLPC includes something like it. Touch Typing is a 21st century skill that will be very useful for everyone. Cheers Martin > Rahul > From krstic at solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu Wed Jul 12 22:17:53 2006 From: krstic at solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu (Ivan Krstic) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:17:53 -0400 Subject: [olpc-software] Re: Documents on the OLPC In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060712112936.10c85988@mail.squeakland.org> References: <408d079d0607100405m275ad7d2l1766bdfdebbe0b46@mail.gmail.com> <44B235ED.4010407@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu> <408d079d0607100629s2baebd43n21e5632a9bf2a370@mail.gmail.com> <44B2C61D.6060309@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu> <408d079d0607102328vf8bab0ekcd2912fe85b13619@mail.gmail.com> <1095.210.49.194.209.1152663203.squirrel@kiosk.ph.unimelb.edu.au> <6.1.2.0.2.20060712112936.10c85988@mail.squeakland.org> Message-ID: <44B57511.4050405@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu> Alan Kay wrote: > And don't forget that whatever document format/app you choose to use or > make, it needs to be able to allow authoring and running of children's > graphical scripts of the Logo or Etoy type. Actually, that's rather orthogonal to what we're working on with regard to the basic document format, so let's leave that discussion for later. -- Ivan Krstic | GPG: 0x147C722D From uwog at uwog.net Wed Jul 12 15:16:17 2006 From: uwog at uwog.net (J.M. Maurer) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:16:17 +0200 Subject: [olpc-software] Re: Documents on the OLPC In-Reply-To: <1095.210.49.194.209.1152663203.squirrel@kiosk.ph.unimelb.edu.au> References: <408d079d0607100405m275ad7d2l1766bdfdebbe0b46@mail.gmail.com> <44B235ED.4010407@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu> <408d079d0607100629s2baebd43n21e5632a9bf2a370@mail.gmail.com> <44B2C61D.6060309@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu> <408d079d0607102328vf8bab0ekcd2912fe85b13619@mail.gmail.com> <1095.210.49.194.209.1152663203.squirrel@kiosk.ph.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <1152717377.10557.2.camel@sigma.lan.uwog.net> [snip] > >> > >> > are there any plans for collaborative editing? > >> > >> Yes, both almost-real-time for documents, and merge-mode for things like > >> eBook annotations. > > > > That's very interesting information. > > > > For your information, AbiWord has a total real-time collaborative editing > feature under heavy evelopment (like sub-ethaedit but which handles all > word-processor features). This extends to the ability to update documents > on a remote server also in real time. In other words, we're planning to > leap-frog Writely. The time-frame for stabilizing these developments is > similar to the OLPC. Erik's work can continue in parallel with no worry of > interference. > > Does OLPC plan to have an IM feature? I ask because we use XMPP to connect > our collaborative sessions, but we we can use a diferent protocol for the > OLPC if needed. > > Anyway, we'll keep you informed and you can watch our progress. Just to add: adding a Markdown import/export filter is not hard. One could even make Markdown the default format real easy to suit the OLPC project even better. If the availability of such a filter would help AbiWord's cause, I'd be glad to write it. Marc From blizzard at redhat.com Thu Jul 20 17:34:56 2006 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:34:56 -0400 Subject: [olpc-software] moving this mailing list Message-ID: <44BFBEC0.2050901@redhat.com> We've moved this mailing list and at the same time split it into two mailing lists. If you're interested in development of low-level details: kernel, some base libraries, hardware or LinuxBIOS, you should probably subscribe to devel at laptop.org. You can subscribe here: http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/devel If you're interested in core OS, design and UI issues you can join sugar at laptop.org. You can subscribe here: http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/sugar Thanks! --Chris