[Patternfly] tooltip delay

Tue Jun 3 17:33:34 UTC 2014

I don't see any kind of "intent" for bootstrap widgets. It looks like
the usual way to apply intent is to set a very short delay -- the duration
varies based on whom you ask.

I think PatteryFly should specify a default delay for any kind of pop-up
widget -- perhaps 200 ms. And then maybe 1 or 2 seconds for special use
cases.

I'll probably go with 200ms for my use case for now, but look forward to
official guidance from PatternFly.

Thanks,
Greg

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> To: "Petr Vobornik" <pvoborni at redhat.com>
> Cc: patternfly at redhat.com, "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 8:58:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Petr Vobornik" <pvoborni at redhat.com>
> > To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Matt Carrano"
> > <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> > Cc: patternfly at redhat.com, "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 8:40:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > has anybody tried to use the proper intent solution with PF/bootstrap
> > tooltips?
> 
> I have not.
> 
> > 
> > IMHO it looks like a much better approach than a simple delay because
> > one setting might fit almost all use cases.
> 
> You have a good point. I'll look into it.
> 
> > 
> > Petr
> > 
> > On 31.5.2014 00:47, Greg Sheremeta wrote:
> > > For oVirt, we have tooltips all over the place. One of the places is a
> > > question mark icon that we use to indicate context-sensitive help is
> > > available. Here, I think it's ok to pop the tooltip immediately on hover.
> > > The user expects that. However, for our application menu items, they are
> > > very central on the screen and having instant popup makes it very
> > > distracting when you're simply doing regular mouse actions. You don't
> > > intent to hover over them to see a tooltip -- you just can't help but
> > > pass
> > > over them as you move the mouse around the screen.
> > >
> > > Perhaps a pattern that makes sense is:
> > > - if a tooptip is being used in an obvious 'help me' context, instant is
> > > ok.
> > > - else, if the trigger element is somewhere off in the corner of the
> > > screen, instant is ok (depends on context, perhaps)
> > > - else -- especially anything in the middle of the application screen --
> > > 2
> > > second delay.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> > >> To: "Robb Hamilton" <rhamilto at redhat.com>
> > >> Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, patternfly at redhat.com,
> > >> "Einav
> > >> Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> > >> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 3:58:02 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> > >>
> > >> See below...
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Robb Hamilton" <rhamilto at redhat.com>
> > >> To: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> > >> Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, patternfly at redhat.com,
> > >> "Einav
> > >> Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> > >> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 3:18:32 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On May 30, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Matt Carrano <mcarrano at redhat.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> We can definitely consider a "tooltip" pattern.  But in the mean time
> > >>> it
> > >>> seems like this is easily customizable.  Robb, do you think it makes
> > >>> sense
> > >>> to add a second set of tooltip examples with the delay set to 2
> > >>> seconds?
> > >>> People might want the immediate pop-up or delayed tip depending on
> > >>> context.
> > >>
> > >> sure, we can definitely do that.  but i think we should be supplying the
> > >> context, too (e.g., when would i use a delay and how long should the
> > >> delay
> > >> be?).  do we have a vetted answer?
> > >>
> > >> Agree.  I can definitely do that.  Do you think we should just put this
> > >> info
> > >> into the widget page, or does this start to become more like a pattern?
> > >> As
> > >> for vetting the answer, I can write it up and submit for review like
> > >> anything else we do.  I'm also happy to have input on this.  Does anyone
> > >> feel like 2 seconds is too long or too short?  Robb, what would probably
> > >> help is to create a quick prototype example and float it out to the list
> > >> for
> > >> people to try.  It's the type of thing that you need to interact with to
> > >> get
> > >> a feel for.
> > >>
> > >> Thoughts?
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Matt
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > >>> To: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> > >>> Cc: patternfly at redhat.com, "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:03:20 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> > >>>
> > >>> I just pulled it from SO :) Can you put a hard time 'pattern' on the
> > >>> patternfly site?
> > >>>
> > >>> Greg
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> > >>>> To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > >>>> Cc: patternfly at redhat.com, "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:02:17 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi Greg,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> These timings feel a bit long.  In my past experience, I've found that
> > >>>> a
> > >>>> dwell time of 2-3 seconds works pretty well.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Matt
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > >>>> To: patternfly at redhat.com
> > >>>> Cc: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:56:00 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> > >>>>
> > >>>> data-delay='{"show":"5000", "hide":"3000"}'
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cool.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Greg
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>> From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > >>>>> To: patternfly at redhat.com
> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:55:12 AM
> > >>>>> Subject: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Are there plans to implement a hover-intent-like delay to tooltips?
> > >>>>> As-is,
> > >>>>> they can be distracting.
> > >>>>> https://www.patternfly.org/widgets/#tooltip
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Examples of a delay:
> > >>>>> http://cherne.net/brian/resources/jquery.hoverIntent.html
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>> Greg
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Greg Sheremeta
> > >>>>> Red Hat, Inc.
> > >>>>> Sr. Software Engineer, RHEV
> > >>>>> Cell: 919-807-1086
> > >>>>> gshereme at redhat.com
> > --
> > Petr Vobornik
> > 
> 
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