[Patternfly] Patternfly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 8
Brian Dellascio
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1. Re: FYI - Latest API Management UI (Matt Carrano)
2. Re: Patternfly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 7 (Brian Dellascio)
3. Re: Patternfly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 7 (Eric Helms)
4. Re: FYI - Latest API Management UI (Jeremy Perry)
5. Re: FYI - Latest API Management UI (Emily Dirsh)
6. Re: FYI - Latest API Management UI (Liz Clayton)
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 12:08:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Carrano <mcarrano at redhat.com>
To: Catherine Robson <crobson at redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [Patternfly] FYI - Latest API Management UI
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Catherine/Eric,
Thanks for passing along the feedback. It is great to see these screens and to know that Overload is now using PatternFly styling. Also, good tip about the Rawgithub tool. I can see where this can be a really helpful thing.
Regarding the font sizing, I can see what you mean about the 11pt text. This is a tricky issue because I find that readability depends a lot on monitor resolution and context. There's probably not one right answer for all cases, and this also varies a lot from person to person. That said, it's something for us to keep in mind and I appreciate getting the feedback. I'm copying in the PF list as others may also have thoughts who are more knowledgeable in this area than I.
-Matt
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To: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
Cc: "Eric Wittmann" <eric.wittmann at redhat.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:08:02 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: FYI - Latest API Management UI
Matt,
Eric is using the PatternFly font recommendations, but we both felt the
font was too small to read easily. He noted that it was 11px by default
(and is what he currently has implemented), but 12px seems to be much
easier to look at. You can click on the link he provided below to see
his application (without the top header area at this point).
Thought I would forward this to you for feedback on PatternFly.
Thanks!
Catherine
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Subject: Re: FYI - Latest API Management UI
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:04:26 -0400
From: Eric Wittmann <eric.wittmann at redhat.com>
To: Catherine Robson <crobson at redhat.com>
Thanks for the feedback.
Regarding font size - it's funny, I thought it was too small as well,
but the font size is coming from PatternFly (I think) so I assumed that
was the recommended size. I'll def. change it.
I may book an hour with you - would love some functional feedback.
-Eric
On 3/25/2014 10:48 AM, Catherine Robson wrote:
>
>
> Eric Wittmann wrote:
>> Just wanted to let you know that I have applied the PatternFly styles
>> to my most recent project UI. I also discovered a web site called
>> "rawgithub.com" which is amazing and allows me to view the UI
>> templates as webpages directly from the github source! That's a super
>> nerdy thing to be excited about, but I'm not ashamed. :P
> This is very cool! I hate having to check stuff out and figure out how
> to build it.
>>
>> In any case, it means you can view the UI here (if interested) without
>> downloading or checking anything out:
>>
>> http://rawgithub.com/Governance/apiman/master/apiman-dt/apiman-dt-ui/apiman-dt-ui-war/src/main/java/org/overlord/apiman/dt/ui/client/local/site/user-orgs.html
>>
>>
>> What you *won't* see is the header, which (like all overlord apps)
>> gets added later via javascript. So it looks a little bare without
>> that, but hopefully you'll get the idea. :)
>>
>> Also note that I tried to ensure that every page looks good in a
>> browser but also in a phone - so that aspect of things should be
>> working well.
> Looking great!
>>
>> Any feedback welcome.
>
> The only feedback I have is that font is a bit small. You might want to
> bump the body font size up to 12px instead of 11px. It makes it much
> easier to read I think, and doesn't seem to ruin the design in any way
> to me.
>
> Otherwise, from a design standpoint, I think this looks good. I have no
> idea what it is supposed to be or do from a functional standpoint, so I
> don't think I can comment on the usability or workflow really at this
> point. If you want to review this level of stuff, maybe book an hour
> with me and we can do a walkthrough of it together.
>
>>
>> -Eric
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:30:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Dellascio <bdellasc at redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [Patternfly] Patternfly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 7
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Howdy,
Matt suggested I farm this out to the list, which in hindsight should have occurred to me. I'm using the default table styling provided in two separate places where we use an underlying table HTML structure but feel like the styling ends up looking a bit out of place (specifically the gradient in this case). I've attached a screenshot to give an idea of what I am talking about. Note the:
- Middle left hand side, list of content views with table header 'Name'
- Center large table
Any input or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. And please don't mind the other styling such as the blue button text. It's a work in progress.
Just so I know I understand the functionality on this screen:
- the selection in the left-hand list determines the content in the right screen?
- multiple items can be selected @ once in the left-hand list?
- selecting the "Name" checkbox selects all contents of that list?
- would there be other lists with their own parent? In other words, "Name" has a couple of items within it, would there be other parents @ the same level as "Name" that has its own children?
OR
Would this be one flat list?
I can give you some thoughts once I understand the above items...
Brian
Thanks,
Eric Helms
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> From: Eric Helms <ehelms at redhat.com>
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> Subject: [Patternfly] Table Header Coloring
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> Howdy,
>
> Matt suggested I farm this out to the list, which in hindsight should have
> occurred to me. I'm using the default table styling provided in two separate
> places where we use an underlying table HTML structure but feel like the
> styling ends up looking a bit out of place (specifically the gradient in
> this case). I've attached a screenshot to give an idea of what I am talking
> about. Note the:
>
> - Middle left hand side, list of content views with table header 'Name'
> - Center large table
>
> Any input or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. And please don't mind the
> other styling such as the blue button text. It's a work in progress.
>
>
> Just so I know I understand the functionality on this screen:
> - the selection in the left-hand list determines the content in the right
> screen?
Correct.
> - multiple items can be selected @ once in the left-hand list?
Correct.
> - selecting the "Name" checkbox selects all contents of that list?
Correct.
> - would there be other lists with their own parent? In other words, "Name"
> has a couple of items within it, would there be other parents @ the same
> level as "Name" that has its own children?
> OR
> Would this be one flat list?
Flat list.
But what I am most looking for is the visual coloring of the table headers in this context and with the surrounding elements more so than the interaction itself.
One other question that occurred to me - do you utilize sorting on the table column for the left list?
If not, I guess I'm wondering why a table is being used when you could achieve the same functionality with a checkbox list? I did a quick mockup where "Select All" replaces the table header "Name". I only changed it in the mockup because it seemed odd to leave it as "Name" when its not a title within in a table header.
By using an indented checkbox list and changing the background of that panel to #fafafa, I think its a much cleaner look and you maintain all the same functionality without the visual overhead of the table.
Thanks,
Brian
Thanks,
Eric
>
>
> I can give you some thoughts once I understand the above items...
> Brian
>
> Thanks,
> Eric Helms
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:53:10 -0400
From: Jeremy Perry <jeperry at redhat.com>
To: Matt Carrano <mcarrano at redhat.com>
Cc: patternfly at redhat.com, Catherine Robson <crobson at redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Patternfly] FYI - Latest API Management UI
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I know I?m coming out of nowhere with this, but I think looking seriously at 12px as a default is worth exploration. Aside from increased legibility, the number 12 has many benefits for creating a typographic rhythm on line heights like 1.25, 1.5 etc.
On Mar 25, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Matt Carrano <mcarrano at redhat.com> wrote:
> Catherine/Eric,
>
> Thanks for passing along the feedback. It is great to see these screens and to know that Overload is now using PatternFly styling. Also, good tip about the Rawgithub tool. I can see where this can be a really helpful thing.
>
> Regarding the font sizing, I can see what you mean about the 11pt text. This is a tricky issue because I find that readability depends a lot on monitor resolution and context. There's probably not one right answer for all cases, and this also varies a lot from person to person. That said, it's something for us to keep in mind and I appreciate getting the feedback. I'm copying in the PF list as others may also have thoughts who are more knowledgeable in this area than I.
>
> -Matt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Catherine Robson" <crobson at redhat.com>
> To: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> Cc: "Eric Wittmann" <eric.wittmann at redhat.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:08:02 AM
> Subject: Fwd: Re: FYI - Latest API Management UI
>
> Matt,
>
> Eric is using the PatternFly font recommendations, but we both felt the
> font was too small to read easily. He noted that it was 11px by default
> (and is what he currently has implemented), but 12px seems to be much
> easier to look at. You can click on the link he provided below to see
> his application (without the top header area at this point).
>
> Thought I would forward this to you for feedback on PatternFly.
>
> Thanks!
> Catherine
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: FYI - Latest API Management UI
> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:04:26 -0400
> From: Eric Wittmann <eric.wittmann at redhat.com>
> To: Catherine Robson <crobson at redhat.com>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> Regarding font size - it's funny, I thought it was too small as well,
> but the font size is coming from PatternFly (I think) so I assumed that
> was the recommended size. I'll def. change it.
>
> I may book an hour with you - would love some functional feedback.
>
> -Eric
>
> On 3/25/2014 10:48 AM, Catherine Robson wrote:
>>
>>
>> Eric Wittmann wrote:
>>> Just wanted to let you know that I have applied the PatternFly styles
>>> to my most recent project UI. I also discovered a web site called
>>> "rawgithub.com" which is amazing and allows me to view the UI
>>> templates as webpages directly from the github source! That's a super
>>> nerdy thing to be excited about, but I'm not ashamed. :P
>> This is very cool! I hate having to check stuff out and figure out how
>> to build it.
>>>
>>> In any case, it means you can view the UI here (if interested) without
>>> downloading or checking anything out:
>>>
>>> http://rawgithub.com/Governance/apiman/master/apiman-dt/apiman-dt-ui/apiman-dt-ui-war/src/main/java/org/overlord/apiman/dt/ui/client/local/site/user-orgs.html
>>>
>>>
>>> What you *won't* see is the header, which (like all overlord apps)
>>> gets added later via javascript. So it looks a little bare without
>>> that, but hopefully you'll get the idea. :)
>>>
>>> Also note that I tried to ensure that every page looks good in a
>>> browser but also in a phone - so that aspect of things should be
>>> working well.
>> Looking great!
>>>
>>> Any feedback welcome.
>>
>> The only feedback I have is that font is a bit small. You might want to
>> bump the body font size up to 12px instead of 11px. It makes it much
>> easier to read I think, and doesn't seem to ruin the design in any way
>> to me.
>>
>> Otherwise, from a design standpoint, I think this looks good. I have no
>> idea what it is supposed to be or do from a functional standpoint, so I
>> don't think I can comment on the usability or workflow really at this
>> point. If you want to review this level of stuff, maybe book an hour
>> with me and we can do a walkthrough of it together.
>>
>>>
>>> -Eric
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:36:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Emily Dirsh <edirsh at redhat.com>
To: patternfly at redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Patternfly] FYI - Latest API Management UI
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+1
While there are differences in resolution/system rendering/context/etc, 11px is a very small default body text. (Much smaller than _11pt_.)
Just some real-world examples - OpenShift console body text defaults to 14px, the Patternfly site has 13px body text, the default Bootstrap body text size is 14px.
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> From: "Jeremy Perry" <jeperry at redhat.com>
> To: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> Cc: patternfly at redhat.com, "Catherine Robson" <crobson at redhat.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:53:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Patternfly] FYI - Latest API Management UI
>
> I know I?m coming out of nowhere with this, but I think looking seriously at
> 12px as a default is worth exploration. Aside from increased legibility, the
> number 12 has many benefits for creating a typographic rhythm on line
> heights like 1.25, 1.5 etc.
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Matt Carrano <mcarrano at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > Catherine/Eric,
> >
> > Thanks for passing along the feedback. It is great to see these screens
> > and to know that Overload is now using PatternFly styling. Also, good tip
> > about the Rawgithub tool. I can see where this can be a really helpful
> > thing.
> >
> > Regarding the font sizing, I can see what you mean about the 11pt text.
> > This is a tricky issue because I find that readability depends a lot on
> > monitor resolution and context. There's probably not one right answer for
> > all cases, and this also varies a lot from person to person. That said,
> > it's something for us to keep in mind and I appreciate getting the
> > feedback. I'm copying in the PF list as others may also have thoughts who
> > are more knowledgeable in this area than I.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Catherine Robson" <crobson at redhat.com>
> > To: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> > Cc: "Eric Wittmann" <eric.wittmann at redhat.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:08:02 AM
> > Subject: Fwd: Re: FYI - Latest API Management UI
> >
> > Matt,
> >
> > Eric is using the PatternFly font recommendations, but we both felt the
> > font was too small to read easily. He noted that it was 11px by default
> > (and is what he currently has implemented), but 12px seems to be much
> > easier to look at. You can click on the link he provided below to see
> > his application (without the top header area at this point).
> >
> > Thought I would forward this to you for feedback on PatternFly.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Catherine
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: FYI - Latest API Management UI
> > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:04:26 -0400
> > From: Eric Wittmann <eric.wittmann at redhat.com>
> > To: Catherine Robson <crobson at redhat.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback.
> >
> > Regarding font size - it's funny, I thought it was too small as well,
> > but the font size is coming from PatternFly (I think) so I assumed that
> > was the recommended size. I'll def. change it.
> >
> > I may book an hour with you - would love some functional feedback.
> >
> > -Eric
> >
> > On 3/25/2014 10:48 AM, Catherine Robson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric Wittmann wrote:
> >>> Just wanted to let you know that I have applied the PatternFly styles
> >>> to my most recent project UI. I also discovered a web site called
> >>> "rawgithub.com" which is amazing and allows me to view the UI
> >>> templates as webpages directly from the github source! That's a super
> >>> nerdy thing to be excited about, but I'm not ashamed. :P
> >> This is very cool! I hate having to check stuff out and figure out how
> >> to build it.
> >>>
> >>> In any case, it means you can view the UI here (if interested) without
> >>> downloading or checking anything out:
> >>>
> >>> http://rawgithub.com/Governance/apiman/master/apiman-dt/apiman-dt-ui/apiman-dt-ui-war/src/main/java/org/overlord/apiman/dt/ui/client/local/site/user-orgs.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What you *won't* see is the header, which (like all overlord apps)
> >>> gets added later via javascript. So it looks a little bare without
> >>> that, but hopefully you'll get the idea. :)
> >>>
> >>> Also note that I tried to ensure that every page looks good in a
> >>> browser but also in a phone - so that aspect of things should be
> >>> working well.
> >> Looking great!
> >>>
> >>> Any feedback welcome.
> >>
> >> The only feedback I have is that font is a bit small. You might want to
> >> bump the body font size up to 12px instead of 11px. It makes it much
> >> easier to read I think, and doesn't seem to ruin the design in any way
> >> to me.
> >>
> >> Otherwise, from a design standpoint, I think this looks good. I have no
> >> idea what it is supposed to be or do from a functional standpoint, so I
> >> don't think I can comment on the usability or workflow really at this
> >> point. If you want to review this level of stuff, maybe book an hour
> >> with me and we can do a walkthrough of it together.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> -Eric
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Patternfly at redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly
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>
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:28:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Liz Clayton <lclayton at redhat.com>
To: Emily Dirsh <edirsh at redhat.com>
Cc: patternfly at redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Patternfly] FYI - Latest API Management UI
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Hi,
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> From: "Emily Dirsh" <edirsh at redhat.com>
> To: patternfly at redhat.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:36:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Patternfly] FYI - Latest API Management UI
>
> +1
+1
> While there are differences in resolution/system rendering/context/etc, 11px
> is a very small default body text. (Much smaller than _11pt_.)
I don't have examples, but here are some interesting articles on the topic:
- in case you are worried that 12 is too big:
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2011/10/07/16-pixels-body-copy-anything-less-costly-mistake/
- general accessibility info:
https://www.webaccessibility.com/best_practices.php?best_practice_id=1822
http://accessibility.psu.edu/fontsizehtml
http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#guidelines
-Liz C.
>
> Just some real-world examples - OpenShift console body text defaults to 14px,
> the Patternfly site has 13px body text, the default Bootstrap body text size
> is 14px.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeremy Perry" <jeperry at redhat.com>
> > To: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> > Cc: patternfly at redhat.com, "Catherine Robson" <crobson at redhat.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:53:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Patternfly] FYI - Latest API Management UI
> >
> > I know I?m coming out of nowhere with this, but I think looking seriously
> > at
> > 12px as a default is worth exploration. Aside from increased legibility,
> > the
> > number 12 has many benefits for creating a typographic rhythm on line
> > heights like 1.25, 1.5 etc.
> >
> >
> > On Mar 25, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Matt Carrano <mcarrano at redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Catherine/Eric,
> > >
> > > Thanks for passing along the feedback. It is great to see these screens
> > > and to know that Overload is now using PatternFly styling. Also, good
> > > tip
> > > about the Rawgithub tool. I can see where this can be a really helpful
> > > thing.
> > >
> > > Regarding the font sizing, I can see what you mean about the 11pt text.
> > > This is a tricky issue because I find that readability depends a lot on
> > > monitor resolution and context. There's probably not one right answer
> > > for
> > > all cases, and this also varies a lot from person to person. That said,
> > > it's something for us to keep in mind and I appreciate getting the
> > > feedback. I'm copying in the PF list as others may also have thoughts
> > > who
> > > are more knowledgeable in this area than I.
> > >
> > > -Matt
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Catherine Robson" <crobson at redhat.com>
> > > To: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> > > Cc: "Eric Wittmann" <eric.wittmann at redhat.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:08:02 AM
> > > Subject: Fwd: Re: FYI - Latest API Management UI
> > >
> > > Matt,
> > >
> > > Eric is using the PatternFly font recommendations, but we both felt the
> > > font was too small to read easily. He noted that it was 11px by default
> > > (and is what he currently has implemented), but 12px seems to be much
> > > easier to look at. You can click on the link he provided below to see
> > > his application (without the top header area at this point).
> > >
> > > Thought I would forward this to you for feedback on PatternFly.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Catherine
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: Re: FYI - Latest API Management UI
> > > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:04:26 -0400
> > > From: Eric Wittmann <eric.wittmann at redhat.com>
> > > To: Catherine Robson <crobson at redhat.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the feedback.
> > >
> > > Regarding font size - it's funny, I thought it was too small as well,
> > > but the font size is coming from PatternFly (I think) so I assumed that
> > > was the recommended size. I'll def. change it.
> > >
> > > I may book an hour with you - would love some functional feedback.
> > >
> > > -Eric
> > >
> > > On 3/25/2014 10:48 AM, Catherine Robson wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Eric Wittmann wrote:
> > >>> Just wanted to let you know that I have applied the PatternFly styles
> > >>> to my most recent project UI. I also discovered a web site called
> > >>> "rawgithub.com" which is amazing and allows me to view the UI
> > >>> templates as webpages directly from the github source! That's a super
> > >>> nerdy thing to be excited about, but I'm not ashamed. :P
> > >> This is very cool! I hate having to check stuff out and figure out how
> > >> to build it.
> > >>>
> > >>> In any case, it means you can view the UI here (if interested) without
> > >>> downloading or checking anything out:
> > >>>
> > >>> http://rawgithub.com/Governance/apiman/master/apiman-dt/apiman-dt-ui/apiman-dt-ui-war/src/main/java/org/overlord/apiman/dt/ui/client/local/site/user-orgs.html
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> What you *won't* see is the header, which (like all overlord apps)
> > >>> gets added later via javascript. So it looks a little bare without
> > >>> that, but hopefully you'll get the idea. :)
> > >>>
> > >>> Also note that I tried to ensure that every page looks good in a
> > >>> browser but also in a phone - so that aspect of things should be
> > >>> working well.
> > >> Looking great!
> > >>>
> > >>> Any feedback welcome.
> > >>
> > >> The only feedback I have is that font is a bit small. You might want to
> > >> bump the body font size up to 12px instead of 11px. It makes it much
> > >> easier to read I think, and doesn't seem to ruin the design in any way
> > >> to me.
> > >>
> > >> Otherwise, from a design standpoint, I think this looks good. I have no
> > >> idea what it is supposed to be or do from a functional standpoint, so I
> > >> don't think I can comment on the usability or workflow really at this
> > >> point. If you want to review this level of stuff, maybe book an hour
> > >> with me and we can do a walkthrough of it together.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> -Eric
> > >
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