[Patternfly] tooltip delay

[Greg Sheremeta]

For oVirt, we have tooltips all over the place. One of the places is a question mark icon that we use to indicate context-sensitive help is available. Here, I think it's ok to pop the tooltip immediately on hover. The user expects that. However, for our application menu items, they are very central on the screen and having instant popup makes it very distracting when you're simply doing regular mouse actions. You don't intent to hover over them to see a tooltip -- you just can't help but pass over them as you move the mouse around the screen.

Perhaps a pattern that makes sense is:
- if a tooptip is being used in an obvious 'help me' context, instant is ok.
- else, if the trigger element is somewhere off in the corner of the screen, instant is ok (depends on context, perhaps)
- else -- especially anything in the middle of the application screen -- 2 second delay.

Greg


----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> To: "Robb Hamilton" <rhamilto at redhat.com>
> Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, patternfly at redhat.com, "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 3:58:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> 
> See below...
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robb Hamilton" <rhamilto at redhat.com>
> To: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, patternfly at redhat.com, "Einav
> Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 3:18:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Matt Carrano <mcarrano at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > We can definitely consider a "tooltip" pattern.  But in the mean time it
> > seems like this is easily customizable.  Robb, do you think it makes sense
> > to add a second set of tooltip examples with the delay set to 2 seconds?
> > People might want the immediate pop-up or delayed tip depending on
> > context.
> 
> sure, we can definitely do that.  but i think we should be supplying the
> context, too (e.g., when would i use a delay and how long should the delay
> be?).  do we have a vetted answer?
> 
> Agree.  I can definitely do that.  Do you think we should just put this info
> into the widget page, or does this start to become more like a pattern?  As
> for vetting the answer, I can write it up and submit for review like
> anything else we do.  I'm also happy to have input on this.  Does anyone
> feel like 2 seconds is too long or too short?  Robb, what would probably
> help is to create a quick prototype example and float it out to the list for
> people to try.  It's the type of thing that you need to interact with to get
> a feel for.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> > 
> > Matt
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > To: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> > Cc: patternfly at redhat.com, "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:03:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> > 
> > I just pulled it from SO :) Can you put a hard time 'pattern' on the
> > patternfly site?
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Matt Carrano" <mcarrano at redhat.com>
> >> To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> >> Cc: patternfly at redhat.com, "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:02:17 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> >> 
> >> Hi Greg,
> >> 
> >> These timings feel a bit long.  In my past experience, I've found that a
> >> dwell time of 2-3 seconds works pretty well.
> >> 
> >> Matt
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> >> To: patternfly at redhat.com
> >> Cc: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:56:00 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> >> 
> >> data-delay='{"show":"5000", "hide":"3000"}'
> >> 
> >> Cool.
> >> 
> >> Greg
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> >>> To: patternfly at redhat.com
> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:55:12 AM
> >>> Subject: [Patternfly] tooltip delay
> >>> 
> >>> Are there plans to implement a hover-intent-like delay to tooltips?
> >>> As-is,
> >>> they can be distracting.
> >>> https://www.patternfly.org/widgets/#tooltip
> >>> 
> >>> Examples of a delay:
> >>> http://cherne.net/brian/resources/jquery.hoverIntent.html
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Greg
> >>> 
> >>> Greg Sheremeta
> >>> Red Hat, Inc.
> >>> Sr. Software Engineer, RHEV
> >>> Cell: 919-807-1086
> >>> gshereme at redhat.com
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