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Re: Why no "Kill App"??



On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 14:25, Havoc Pennington wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 02:39:05PM -0500, Beartooth wrote:
> > 	It used to be -- in RH 7.2, anyway -- when something got
> > hung up, that you could right-click on its little spot on the
> > panel, whatever that's called, and along with choices like
> > Maximize, Minimize, etc., you got one for Kill App. Very useful for
> > us subtechnoids, who don't have command line kills at our finger
> > tips. I hope very much that this is some kind of oversight, or
> > well-meaning paternalistic wrongness ("protect the poor little user
> > from herself"), which will be rectified in Phoebe. Any point in
> > saying so on the phoebe list, or is it already too late for that?
> > And if so, how do I file an RFE -- or more properly a Request For
> > Re-Enhancement??
> 
> "kill app" always did something completely stupid - it called close()
> on the application's X server connection. If the app was stuck in an
> infinite loop or otherwise stuck, "kill app" wouldn't. Kill the app
> that is. It didn't work, it's that simple. Quite apart from any
> usability rationale.
> 
> If you close a GTK 2 app (and hopefully Qt3.1 apps, though I haven't
> checked if Troll Tech added support), if the app is locked up metacity
> will offer to kill it for you. And when metacity kills it will (when
> possible) use "kill", not close() on the X server connection. kwin may
> do the same, I don't know.
> 
> If you run non-GTK2/Qt3.1 apps, add a launcher to your panel that runs
> xkill. Very easy, if you actually know enough about the technical
> details to have any business calling close() on an X server connection
> in the first place. (If you don't understand what that implies, then
> you should not use xkill, because you won't understand why xkill
> frequently doesn't work or what to do when it fails.)
> 
> Another GUI approach to the problem is System Tools -> System Monitor
> and kill from there.
> 
> And if you have an app that locks up all the time, please report that
> bug...
> 
> Havoc
> 
Or, even lazier people, can just press ctrl+alt+esc, which is the same
as kill -9.  A scull appears on the screen, and you just click on the
program which is no longer responding.

Greg





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