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Re: And Now Hate Mail?



On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 07:24, John Lowell wrote:
> I just got two private e-mail messages from someone on the list who 
> lacked the courage to identify themselves to me or to permit a reply 
> from me because they manipulated the From address in such a way as to 
> make that impossible. I think I can guess who the party may be, but I'd 
> like to share the contents of the messages with you. Some mailing list 
> this one:
> 
> >On Sat Mar 08 2003 at 21:05, John Lowell wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>> jdow wrote:
> >>> 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>> >John, Michael is one of the helpful people on the list. If he says
> >>>> >"read the man page" please take it seriously. The issue you are asking
> >>>> >about is more complex than a simple answer can make it. The man page
> >>>> >is as brief as you can get a full and complete answer. If it still
> >>>> >leaves some questions then maybe this list can help you resolve the
> >>>> >ambiguities. One problem with the simple answer revolves around whether
> >>>> >the filesystem was created originally as ext2fs and converted or was
> >>>> >created as ext3fs. The second problem revolves around how an ext2fs
> >>>> >might have been converted to ext3. These are details you know from
> >>>> >the history of your machine both before and after Psyche was installed.
> >>>> >You did not supply them yet expect a simple answer. The simple to give
> >>>> >answer is, most bluntly put, "RTFM". Michael was nice enough to point
> >>>> >out which part of the man(ual) you should examine. If this is dis-
> >>>> >courteous as you see it I'm not sure what can be done about it.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >I'll ascribe your testiness to the annoyance of trying franticly to
> >>>> >get something working under immense pressure. Otherwise I'd be rather
> >>>> >tempted to lace into you quite nastily for your arrogance.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >{^_^}
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>> Interesting, jdow, but I rather saw him, and now you, as a bother.
> >>> Kindly never write me here again or I'll contact the list manager.
> >>> 
> >>> John Lowell
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Oh, how terrifying!
> >
> >Now you just go ahead and waste your time trying to do exactly that.
> >
> >I'm afraid that it is you who is the wrong here.
> >
> >you moron.  you want abuse, you'll get it.
> >
> >pull your head in and shut up.
> >
> >and grow up.
> >
> >  
> >
> And number two:
> 
> >n Sat Mar 08 2003 at 20:41, John Lowell wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>> Earlier today, I posted a simple yes-or-no question to to the list and
> >>> got back a lecture and some abuse from a Michael Schwendt. After a
> >>> couple of additional, similar messages from him, I specifically told him
> >>> in the clearest possible terms not to contact me again. He has,
> >>> nevertheless. Has anyone else here ever been similarly annoyed by Mr.
> >>> Schwendt?
> >>> 
> >>> John Lowell
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Look you moron, can you take your childish and petty groaning
> >elsewhere?
> >
> >Please don't pollute the mailing lists with your crap.
> >
> >Michael was being helpful.  You just took "rtfm" totally the wrong
> >way.
> >
> >And you should have rtfm as he indicated, it was a rather silly
> >question that you asked anyway.
> >
> >sheet!
> >
> >  
> >
> Yeah, this is going to the list manager alright.
> 
> John Lowell
> 

Hi Mr Lowell,

Ok, this has gone far enough I'd say. While I too think sending you
personal unsolicited hate messages is moronic and should be dealt with,
I think I speak for many on the list when I say, you should take this up
with the list admins if you so wish and stop posting related messages or
these supposed hate messages here - It's futile and a waste of everyones
bandwidth.

With regards Mr Keating's comments. You took his 'RTFM' (expand your
preferred way i.e. Read The F*cking Manual or Read The Fine Manual)
totally the wrong way. His suggestion was quite valid and as many know
and understand alot of the learning of GNU Linux is putting the effort
in self teaching i.e. start reading the manuals (the RH docs are very
handy) then get your hands dirty. Mr Keating (Jesse) has been on the
list(s) as long as I can remember and been nothing but helpful 90+% of
the time and receptive to any new or old user alike with questions or
queries.

The Red Hat mailing lists like the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) channel are
a place for help, discussion and when things hot up a damn good
constructive argument. I would ask you to step back Mr Lowell and
re-read and reflect and possibly come back too us a little calmer and
take the information given in the good will it was offered by the
numerous list members.

Regards

Philip Wyett

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