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Re: RH Folks -- A Entitlement Wish

On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 11:39:06AM -0600, Mike Vanecek wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:09:52 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote
> > On Saturday 29 March 2003 17:43, Mike Vanecek uttered:
> > > I have 3 RH 8 systems on paid basic entitlements. That works real nice for
> > > standard up2date updates. However, sometimes I need something that is not
> > > provided by up2date. E.g., I wanted to download the rawhide version of
> > > logwatch since it reportedly fixed some problems in the version in the RH 8
> > > distro. Trying to get a ftp connection to rawhide was a real pain. I wish
> > > paid RHN customers could also be given priority access to at least rawhide.
> > 
> > Why not use a local mirror?
> I tried one and it was busy too. Just gave up and waited a couple of days.
> Which one do you recommend?

There are lots of mirrors, and some will be fast for you but slow for
me, and vice versa.  Go to http://www.redhat.com/mirrors.html and try a
few  that might look like they're close.

An unofficial fast mirror with good connectivity is redhat.newaol.com.
They're not always current so you do have to be careful, but when
they're up to date, they're very fast.
> OTOH, my suggestion would be one more reason for folks to pay their $60 for a
> subscription.

I've raised this issue to Red Hat through their community ambassador
program but haven't seen an answer yet (and may not - many issues are
dealt with without me hearing about the resolution).  One of the issues
Red Hat would have to deal with is that up2date does automatic
dependency resolution and nothing is guaranteed with rawhide.  You could
very quickly render your system unusable if you're not *very* careful.
For example, say you wanted a rawhide version of mailman.  Rawhide isn't
version specific, so you could ask for this from a 7.3 system.  mailman
needs the latest python which needs the latest glibc, and before you
know it, your entire system is at a rawhide release when all you really
wanted was mailman.  Binary compatibility would have been lost along the
way.  So yes, Red Hat could probably make it available (perhaps for an
additional fee since there could potentially be a *lot* more network
bandwidth utilized), but I'm not convinced they'd want to put up with
the complaints they'd get.  Given the complaining I've seen just from
numbering a release 9 instead of 8.1, I can't begin to fathom the
complaining they'd get the first time somebody tried to update a trivial
package from rawhide and left their system totally unusable.

Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts ewilts org
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program

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