From jwulf at redhat.com Fri Dec 2 13:43:41 2011 From: jwulf at redhat.com (Joshua Wulf) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 23:43:41 +1000 Subject: [publican-list] Publican 3.0 -- with DocBook 5 or without ... WITH! In-Reply-To: <4E0C2FE7.8030401@redhat.com> References: <4E095CDD.5060407@redhat.com> <20110628133101.GQ23826@rivendell.home.ouaza.com> <4E0A50E2.7050500@redhat.com> <4E0C2FE7.8030401@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4ED8D60D.8070704@redhat.com> Hi Jeff, Is there any movement toward Docbook 5 support yet? I'm happy to help out with testing. I'd like to try integrating RDFa [1], which needs Docbook 5. - Josh [1] http://www.devx.com/semantic/Article/42543/1954 On 06/30/2011 06:12 PM, Jeff Fearn wrote: > So almost everyone seems in favour of moving to DocBook 5! > > Rudi has weakened my resolve with yummy cider, Bulmers, and I have > agreed to do a 2.6 release which will contain a selection of non > invasive fixes for bugs that are currently in the Modified, ON_QA, or > Verified states. > > After that we'll concentrate on moving the common content and Users > Guide to DocBook 5, then rebuild the common brand from scratch based on > the nes DocBook XSL and CSS. Then it's test, test, test ... and maybe > some more cider! > > Thanks for your input everybody :) > > Cheers, Jeff. > > _______________________________________________ > publican-list mailing list > publican-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/publican-list > Wiki: https://fedorahosted.org/publican From jfearn at redhat.com Sun Dec 4 22:16:43 2011 From: jfearn at redhat.com (Jeff Fearn) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 08:16:43 +1000 Subject: [publican-list] Publican 3.0 -- with DocBook 5 or without ... WITH! In-Reply-To: <4ED8D60D.8070704@redhat.com> References: <4E095CDD.5060407@redhat.com> <20110628133101.GQ23826@rivendell.home.ouaza.com> <4E0A50E2.7050500@redhat.com> <4E0C2FE7.8030401@redhat.com> <4ED8D60D.8070704@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4EDBF14B.5080102@redhat.com> On 12/02/2011 11:43 PM, Joshua Wulf wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > Is there any movement toward Docbook 5 support yet? I'm happy to help > out with testing. Not a lot, we are getting 2.9 ready, slowly, that is taking precedence. Cheers, Jeff. From sbecue at yahoo.fr Tue Dec 6 11:41:05 2011 From: sbecue at yahoo.fr (Sebastien BECUE) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:41:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [publican-list] user docs forbiden Message-ID: <1323171665.79696.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hello, last few days, access to the user documentation returns a message 403 forbidden Do you have the same problem? Should an access account to read this book to be? Having found no contact other than this list to announce the problem. Can anyone do anything? It seems that the user is no longer jfearn account http://fedorapeople.org/ If someone have the documentation? thank you Web site : https://fedorahosted.org/publican/ User Doc link : http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/en-US/Publican/2.6/html/Users_Guide/ 403 forbidden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.moulder at monash.edu Tue Dec 6 13:42:41 2011 From: peter.moulder at monash.edu (Peter Moulder) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 00:42:41 +1100 Subject: [publican-list] Possible alternative to wkhtmltopdf Message-ID: <20111206134241.GA4911@bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au> I mentioned earlier that I was working on an HTML renderer to do pagination. Let's call it Morp. Although it isn't user-ready, the output is starting to look like a tempting alternative, at least for print usage. Headline features from a Publican point of view: - HTML/CSS styling. - Doesn't fall apart when encountering a keep-together block larger than a page. - Allows glyph fallback font substitution for mixed-script documents. - Proper shaping for Indic scripts (using Pango). - Decent page breaking: honours 'widows' & 'orphans' and so on, but also tries to avoid breaks that are merely undesirable, such as breaking a short list item, or even splitting a paragraph if this can be easily avoided. Conversely, it might allow a widow if the alternatives seem worse. (E.g. if I mark figures as page-break-before:avoid and page-break-inside:avoid, then Morp chooses to give a widow on page 89 of the below sample in preference to either breaking those constraints or leaving the page only 60% full.) - css3-page styling of page headings, page numbering (roman numerals in preface), styling of the "blank" page before a chapter, different margins between inside & outside edges, etc. - Rounded borders for the 
 things.  (This is the most obvious
    visual difference between FOP page content that I guess is due to
    something missing from FOP.)

  - Justified text good enough to actually use.

    Web browsers and even word processors have taught people that
    justified text can't be used satisfactorily, producing large gaps
    and/or excessive hyphenation.

    Morp may not apply every known technique, but already it's enough
    that Publican-produced pages can look like a book rather than like
    a web page or school project.

(I have a feeling that FOP can do quite good justified text too, btw.)


The most recent sample of wkhtmltopdf output that was posted to the list
was the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 Installation Guide (in English):

  http://fedorapeople.org/~jfearn/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-6-Installation_Guide-en-US-TEST.pdf

The corresponding document (though apparently a slightly different
version) as rendered by FOP is

  http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/pdf/Installation_Guide/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-6-Installation_Guide-en-US.pdf

while output from Morp is at

  http://bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au/~pmoulder/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-6-Installation_Guide-en-US-Morp.pdf


I've tried to make the page styling match FOP output.  Given that
Publican output has lots of screenshots (so it's hard to fill every page
evenly no matter what you do), I've set the pagination not to try very
hard to fill pages exactly, letting break pages in more logical places
(so usually breaking between paragraphs rather than within paragraphs).

I've used SVG versions of the warning/note/important icons, whereas I
replaced the list-item bitmap images with simple glyph markers (diamond
and box).

Some notable omissions are:

  - No page references yet (e.g. in tables of contents).

  - No clickable document outline or clickable links.  I'd do this if
    Cairo made it convenient (someone was working on an interface for
    that), but this isn't something my boss needs.  Otherwise, the
    output could be labelled as "PDF for printing" or the like, and
    steering people to EPUB or HTML for on-screen use.

pjrm.



From hertzog at debian.org  Tue Dec  6 15:47:29 2011
From: hertzog at debian.org (Raphael Hertzog)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 16:47:29 +0100
Subject: [publican-list] Possible alternative to wkhtmltopdf
In-Reply-To: <20111206134241.GA4911@bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au>
References: <20111206134241.GA4911@bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20111206154729.GD22129@rivendell.home.ouaza.com>

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011, Peter Moulder wrote:
> I mentioned earlier that I was working on an HTML renderer to do
> pagination.  Let's call it Morp.  Although it isn't user-ready, the
> output is starting to look like a tempting alternative, at least for
> print usage.

I looked at the generated PDF and yes it looks promising.

So can you tell us more about this HTML renderer and its availability for
others to play with?

Cheers,
-- 
Rapha?l Hertzog ? Debian Developer

Pre-order a copy of the Debian Administrator's Handbook and help
liberate it: http://debian-handbook.info/liberation/



From jmorgan at redhat.com  Tue Dec  6 23:00:33 2011
From: jmorgan at redhat.com (Jared Morgan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:00:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [publican-list] user docs forbiden
In-Reply-To: <1323171665.79696.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 

Hi Sebastian. 

I'm having the same problem. 


Jared Morgan 
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Red Hat Asia Pacific 
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----- Original Message -----

From: "Sebastien BECUE"  
To: publican-list at redhat.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 9:41:05 PM 
Subject: [publican-list] user docs forbiden 



Hello, 



last few days , access to the user documentation returns a message 403 forbidden 
Do you have the same problem? 
Should an access account to read this book to be ? 

Having found no contact other than this list to announce the problem. 
Can anyone do anything? 



It seems that the user is no longer jfearn account http://fedorapeople.org/ 
If someone have the documentation? 


thank you 


Web site : 

https://fedorahosted.org/publican/ 


User Doc link : 

http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/en-US/Publican/2.6/html/Users_Guide/ 
403 forbidden 



_______________________________________________ 
publican-list mailing list 
publican-list at redhat.com 
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From sgordon at redhat.com  Wed Dec  7 00:42:35 2011
From: sgordon at redhat.com (Steve Gordon)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 19:42:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [publican-list] user docs forbiden
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

 
> It seems that the user is no longer jfearn account
> http://fedorapeople.org/
> If someone have the documentation?

Over the past few months there was a move to get all FAS users to update their password and key(s). After a waiting period users who didn't do this had their accounts made inactive, as jfearn's account is now showing inactive in FAS I would have to assume he is one of these and needs to re-activate his account before these are available again. Just a guess though.

Steve



From jfearn at redhat.com  Wed Dec  7 00:56:31 2011
From: jfearn at redhat.com (Jeff Fearn)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:56:31 +1000
Subject: [publican-list] user docs forbiden
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4EDEB9BF.7020907@redhat.com>

On 12/07/2011 10:42 AM, Steve Gordon wrote:
>
>> It seems that the user is no longer jfearn account
>> http://fedorapeople.org/
>> If someone have the documentation?
>
> Over the past few months there was a move to get all FAS users to update their password and key(s). After a waiting period users who didn't do this had their accounts made inactive, as jfearn's account is now showing inactive in FAS I would have to assume he is one of these and needs to re-activate his account before these are available again. Just a guess though.

This is correct, might move to github instead though ... decisions, 
decisions.


Cheers, Jeff



From dmison at redhat.com  Wed Dec  7 02:42:53 2011
From: dmison at redhat.com (Darrin Mison)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 21:42:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [publican-list] user docs forbiden
In-Reply-To: <4EDEB9BF.7020907@redhat.com>
References: 
	<4EDEB9BF.7020907@redhat.com>
Message-ID: 


On 07/12/2011, at 10:56 AM, Jeff Fearn  wrote:

> On 12/07/2011 10:42 AM, Steve Gordon wrote:
>> 
>>> It seems that the user is no longer jfearn account
>>> http://fedorapeople.org/
>>> If someone have the documentation?
>> 
>> Over the past few months there was a move to get all FAS users to update their password and key(s). After a waiting period users who didn't do this had their accounts made inactive, as jfearn's account is now showing inactive in FAS I would have to assume he is one of these and needs to re-activate his account before these are available again. Just a guess though.
> 
> This is correct, might move to github instead though ... decisions, decisions.

Can I be the first to say, "hell yes" ;-)

> 
> 
> Cheers, Jeff
> 
> _______________________________________________
> publican-list mailing list
> publican-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/publican-list
> Wiki: https://fedorahosted.org/publican



From sbecue at yahoo.fr  Wed Dec  7 09:31:36 2011
From: sbecue at yahoo.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien_B=E9cue?=)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:31:36 +0100
Subject: [publican-list] user docs forbiden
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<4EDEB9BF.7020907@redhat.com>
	
Message-ID: 

Sorry, but English is not my first language and I do not understand all the
nuances of this exchange.
Is there a chance that the account is active again?
Is there another source of user documentation for the product?

Thank you for all of the above

S?bastien

2011/12/7 Darrin Mison 

>
> On 07/12/2011, at 10:56 AM, Jeff Fearn  wrote:
>
> > On 12/07/2011 10:42 AM, Steve Gordon wrote:
> >>
> >>> It seems that the user is no longer jfearn account
> >>> http://fedorapeople.org/
> >>> If someone have the documentation?
> >>
> >> Over the past few months there was a move to get all FAS users to
> update their password and key(s). After a waiting period users who didn't
> do this had their accounts made inactive, as jfearn's account is now
> showing inactive in FAS I would have to assume he is one of these and needs
> to re-activate his account before these are available again. Just a guess
> though.
> >
> > This is correct, might move to github instead though ... decisions,
> decisions.
>
> Can I be the first to say, "hell yes" ;-)
>
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Jeff
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > publican-list mailing list
> > publican-list at redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/publican-list
> > Wiki: https://fedorahosted.org/publican
>
> _______________________________________________
> publican-list mailing list
> publican-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/publican-list
> Wiki: https://fedorahosted.org/publican
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From peter.moulder at monash.edu  Wed Dec  7 10:40:28 2011
From: peter.moulder at monash.edu (Peter Moulder)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 21:40:28 +1100
Subject: [publican-list] user docs forbiden
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<4EDEB9BF.7020907@redhat.com>
	
	
Message-ID: <20111207104028.GA13720@bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au>

On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 10:31:36AM +0100, S?bastien B?cue wrote:
> Sorry, but English is not my first language and I do not understand all the
> nuances of this exchange.
> Is there a chance that the account is active again?
> Is there another source of user documentation for the product?

Dans ce qu'on a ?crit sur ce liste de diffusion, on n'a pas signal? quand le
probl?me va ?tre r?gl?.  Jeff dit qu'il se demande s'il ne devrait plut?t
mettre la documentation sur github, et qqn a r?pondu pour dire que c'est une
bonne id?e d'y transf?rer.

En ce qui concerne la documentation, je vous en envoyera (en courrier priv?) un
exemplaire dat? d'ao?t.

pjrm.



From peter.moulder at monash.edu  Wed Dec  7 13:03:21 2011
From: peter.moulder at monash.edu (Peter Moulder)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 00:03:21 +1100
Subject: [publican-list] Possible alternative to wkhtmltopdf
In-Reply-To: <20111206154729.GD22129@rivendell.home.ouaza.com>
References: <20111206134241.GA4911@bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au>
	<20111206154729.GD22129@rivendell.home.ouaza.com>
Message-ID: <20111207130321.GA14274@bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au>

On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 04:47:29PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Dec 2011, Peter Moulder wrote:
> > I mentioned earlier that I was working on an HTML renderer to do
> > pagination.  Let's call it Morp.  Although it isn't user-ready, the
> > output is starting to look like a tempting alternative, at least for
> > print usage.
> 
> I looked at the generated PDF and yes it looks promising.
> 
> So can you tell us more about this HTML renderer and its availability for
> others to play with?

Morp is being developed and used for various research projects to do with
layout.

Re availability: I've only just got public git working just now, and have
got as far as publishing one of the two repositories (that of a modified
libcroco) but not the other one.  The modified libcroco is at
git://bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au/libcroco.git and I'll see if I can do
the other one tomorrow.

I was hoping that if the software is useful to Red Hat then they might
want to help with some aspects of making it user-ready, like
the work in making sure that the changes to libcroco are in a form
acceptable to upstream, or maybe changing how http transfers are done.

(Currently I use curl to create blah.header and blah.data files somewhere
under ~/url-cache, but I deliberately don't handle Max-Age stuff because
re-fetching would interfere with the reproduceability of results of
experiments associated with said research.)

Things I'll be working on myself as part of the needs of the research
include footnotes and multi-column (which FOP output uses for the index),
and slowly making the tool more reliable: the current approach to
pagination is a sort of stub implementation that allows me to work on
other things, but it'll need to be rewritten to make it work in general.

pjrm.



From peter.moulder at monash.edu  Wed Dec  7 13:23:40 2011
From: peter.moulder at monash.edu (Peter Moulder)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 00:23:40 +1100
Subject: [publican-list] user docs forbiden
In-Reply-To: <19956_1323254449_4EDF42B1_19956_6368859_1_20111207104028.GA13720@bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au>
References: 
	<4EDEB9BF.7020907@redhat.com>
	
	
	<19956_1323254449_4EDF42B1_19956_6368859_1_20111207104028.GA13720@bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20111207132340.GB14274@bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au>

I've sent him a cached copy of the manual that I had.

pjrm.


[Hmm, I'd forgotten that Raphael was on this list and could have replied in
somewhat better French... "envoyera", heh.]

On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 09:40:28PM +1100, Peter Moulder wrote:

> En ce qui concerne la documentation, je vous en envoyera (en courrier priv?) un
> exemplaire dat? d'ao?t.



From peter.moulder at monash.edu  Thu Dec  8 12:46:48 2011
From: peter.moulder at monash.edu (Peter Moulder)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 23:46:48 +1100
Subject: [publican-list] Possible alternative to wkhtmltopdf
In-Reply-To: <4516_1323263019_4EDF642B_4516_6062341_1_20111207130321.GA14274@bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au>
References: <20111206134241.GA4911@bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au>
	<20111206154729.GD22129@rivendell.home.ouaza.com>
	<4516_1323263019_4EDF642B_4516_6062341_1_20111207130321.GA14274@bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20111208124648.GA2271@bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au>

I said I'd try to get a git repository URL ready, so I'll give that in
this message.  However, remember that so far it has neither ToC page
numbers nor clickable links, so its output isn't yet satisfactory for
either on-screen or print use.  Apart from that, situations that aren't
handled yet trigger assertion failures, which are still relatively
common.

I'll post here again every once in a while as things progress.

(Speaking of which, there is just a minor update, a stylesheet thing: I
noticed that the rules for choosing a page heading weren't what FOP was
using, so I've gone through a bit more methodically to match things up,
and have updated the pdf accordingly.)

So the git repositories as promised are

  git://bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au/srv/git/libcroco.git
  git://bowman.infotech.monash.edu.au/srv/git/morp.git

but I expect most people might as well wait until there's news such as
page numbers in ToC & index.

The reason for posting a sample now is that I hope that seeing some
output now gives an idea of what the options will be later.  Of course
I'd like to think that the software I'm working on will become useful to
more people, so posting now before things are ready might help people
know how to get what they want sooner.  So if clickable links are
important to you, then consider helping the person who was looking at
giving cairo an interface accessing pdf features.  Otherwise, if you like
Inkscape or something else that uses libcroco, then maybe you'll want to
browse the libcroco git repository I'm using and see what's useful there
and in that way help to bring the various copies of libcroco a bit closer
together.  These are things that aren't needed by the research projects,
but they're things that might help you get a lot for a little effort, and
indirectly that might help me -- in job satisfaction if nothing else.

Oh, btw, re:

> (Currently I use curl to create blah.header and blah.data files somewhere
> under ~/url-cache, but I deliberately don't handle Max-Age stuff because
> re-fetching would interfere with the reproduceability of results of
> experiments associated with said research.)

Just in case anyone's greatly put off by the prospect of it not seeing
an updated version of a source file, I should add that the software does
have "reload" functionality, and there's also a list of URI patterns that
should always be re-fetched.

pjrm.



From anjana at gluster.com  Fri Dec  9 06:32:03 2011
From: anjana at gluster.com (Anjana Suparna)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 06:32:03 +0000
Subject: [publican-list] Unable to access the Publican User Guide
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I am trying to access the User Guide at http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/en-US/Publican/2.6/html/Users_Guide/

and I get the following message:
Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /en-US/Publican/2.6/html/Users_Guide/ on this server.

Is anyone facing the similar issue?

Regards,
Anjana
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From jmorgan at redhat.com  Sun Dec 11 20:26:16 2011
From: jmorgan at redhat.com (Jared Morgan)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:26:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [publican-list] Unable to access the Publican User Guide
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hi Anjana 

Yes, this issue is known to the publican team. It is a problem with fedorapeople user accounts. 

I believe Jeff is looking into a solution for guide hosting. 

You can read more in the 'user docs forbidden' thread in publican-list. 

Cheers 


Jared Morgan 
EAP Maintenance Lead | PressGang Lead 
Red Hat Asia Pacific 
1/193 North Quay 
BRISBANE QLD 4000 

P: +61 7 3514 8242 
M: +61 413 005 479 

Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Anjana Suparna"  
To: publican-list at redhat.com 
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 4:32:03 PM 
Subject: [publican-list] Unable to access the Publican User Guide 


Hi, 

I am trying to access the User Guide at http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/en-US/Publican/2.6/html/Users_Guide/ 

and I get the following message: 
Forbidden 
You don't have permission to access /en-US/Publican/2.6/html/Users_Guide/ on this server. 
Is anyone facing the similar issue? 

Regards, 
Anjana 

_______________________________________________ 
publican-list mailing list 
publican-list at redhat.com 
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From jfearn at redhat.com  Mon Dec 12 02:55:15 2011
From: jfearn at redhat.com (Jeff Fearn)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:55:15 +1000
Subject: [publican-list] Unable to access the Publican User Guide
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4EE56D13.2070509@redhat.com>

Hi, the original site is back up.

Cheers, Jeff.

On 12/12/2011 06:26 AM, Jared Morgan wrote:
> Hi Anjana
>
> Yes, this issue is known to the publican team. It is a problem with fedorapeople user accounts.
>
> I believe Jeff is looking into a solution for guide hosting.
>
> You can read more in the 'user docs forbidden' thread in publican-list.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Jared Morgan
> EAP Maintenance Lead | PressGang Lead
> Red Hat Asia Pacific
> 1/193 North Quay
> BRISBANE QLD 4000
>
> P: +61 7 3514 8242
> M: +61 413 005 479
>
> Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Anjana Suparna"
> To: publican-list at redhat.com
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 4:32:03 PM
> Subject: [publican-list] Unable to access the Publican User Guide
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to access the User Guide at http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/en-US/Publican/2.6/html/Users_Guide/
>
> and I get the following message:
> Forbidden
> You don't have permission to access /en-US/Publican/2.6/html/Users_Guide/ on this server.
> Is anyone facing the similar issue?
>
> Regards,
> Anjana
>
> _______________________________________________
> publican-list mailing list
> publican-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/publican-list
> Wiki: https://fedorahosted.org/publican
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> publican-list mailing list
> publican-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/publican-list
> Wiki: https://fedorahosted.org/publican


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From pkovar at redhat.com  Mon Dec 12 17:45:04 2011
From: pkovar at redhat.com (Petr Kovar)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:45:04 +0100
Subject: [publican-list] user docs forbiden
In-Reply-To: <4EDEB9BF.7020907@redhat.com>
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Hi Jeff,

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:56:31 +1000
Jeff Fearn  wrote:

> On 12/07/2011 10:42 AM, Steve Gordon wrote:
> >
> >> It seems that the user is no longer jfearn account
> >> http://fedorapeople.org/
> >> If someone have the documentation?
> >
> > Over the past few months there was a move to get all FAS users to update their password and key(s). After a waiting period users who didn't do this had their accounts made inactive, as jfearn's account is now showing inactive in FAS I would have to assume he is one of these and needs to re-activate his account before these are available again. Just a guess though.
> 
> This is correct, might move to github instead though ... decisions, 
> decisions.

Why not publish it on docs.fedoraproject.org to make it look more like an
official, complete documentation?

There is already an outdated version of the Publican Users Guide available,
which might be confusing to some readers:

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Contributor_Documentation/1/html/Users_Guide/index.html

Just my 5 cents, anyway.

Cheers,
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From jfearn at redhat.com  Mon Dec 12 22:43:31 2011
From: jfearn at redhat.com (Jeff Fearn)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:43:31 +1000
Subject: [publican-list] user docs forbiden
In-Reply-To: <20111212184504.8bcdad18.pkovar@redhat.com>
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On 12/13/2011 03:45 AM, Petr Kovar wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
>
> On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:56:31 +1000
> Jeff Fearn  wrote:
>
>> On 12/07/2011 10:42 AM, Steve Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>>> It seems that the user is no longer jfearn account
>>>> http://fedorapeople.org/
>>>> If someone have the documentation?
>>>
>>> Over the past few months there was a move to get all FAS users to update their password and key(s). After a waiting period users who didn't do this had their accounts made inactive, as jfearn's account is now showing inactive in FAS I would have to assume he is one of these and needs to re-activate his account before these are available again. Just a guess though.
>>
>> This is correct, might move to github instead though ... decisions,
>> decisions.
>
> Why not publish it on docs.fedoraproject.org to make it look more like an
> official, complete documentation?

Publican isn't a Fedora project.

The correct place for doco would be fedorahosted.org/publican, but all 
we get is the most horrible and underwhelming of wikis, Trac :(

These kinds of questions and the inability to have a static website are 
the main drivers for moving to github.

> There is already an outdated version of the Publican Users Guide available,
> which might be confusing to some readers:
>
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Contributor_Documentation/1/html/Users_Guide/index.html

I like having historical versions of the docs around, the above 
structure wouldn't allow that. I use my hosted site for testing all the 
time, so it actually benefits everyone :)

Cheers, Jeff.

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