[Pulp-dev] Proposal to change default logging to console in Pulp 3

David Davis daviddavis at redhat.com
Wed Jul 25 14:57:26 UTC 2018

Thanks for the info about how systemd handles output. I’m +1 to using
console logging as the default.


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:42 AM Brian Bouterse <bbouters at redhat.com> wrote:

> I think console logging is also probably the right logging default in non
> containerized environments too. The majority of OSes Pulp will run on will
> run systemd which has it's logging facilities reading from stdout and
> stderr [0]. So for the majority of non-containerized userbase systemd is
> their logging system not syslog. Not to say syslog is dead, it's especially
> useful for clustered installs which need fancier logging like
> centralization or off-site replication, etc. Those users can take the extra
> step to configure logging to syslog if they apply a bit of extra config
> after https://pulp.plan.io/issues/3879 is fixed.
> It also being the expected logging for containerized environments makes me
> think we should switch Pulp3 to console logging as the default. What do you
> think?
> [0]:
> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-journald.service.html#Description
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Eric Helms <ehelms at redhat.com> wrote:
>> You actually can run with console logging today. There is a bug where if
>> you are in an environment without syslog and enable console logging you
>> will get errors, see https://pulp.plan.io/issues/3879
>> Since background running typically translates to systemd based, perhaps
>> considering making logging type configurable as an environment variable or
>> command line option to set it per service. For example, perhaps you want to
>> run workers in the background but the main application server in your
>> console?
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:17 AM, David Davis <daviddavis at redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I definitely think that we should support console logging (and it looks
>>> like we currently don’t) but I’m a bit hesitant to make it the default. I
>>> think right now a majority of non-dev users will be running these services
>>> in the background. But I could see perhaps one day where Pulp is mostly run
>>> in containers where console logging would be the better default.
>>> David
>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:17 AM Eric Helms <ehelms at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> Howdy,
>>>> As I understand things, the default logging in Pulp 3 is set to syslog.
>>>> I am proposing changing this to be console by default and optionally
>>>> letting users configure syslog. I think these days console as a default
>>>> makes general sense for running things in a simple terminal, or as a
>>>> developer. Further, the natural way to log in a container based environment
>>>> is to log to stdout. The use of syslog makes sense in a traditional systemd
>>>> based deployment which can be configured by users as needed.
>>>> - Eric
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