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Re: [rdo-list] TripleO UI Packaging Strategy



Notes from our meeting today:

* We have outlined three timelines for handling dependencies

    a) short term     - bundle everything
    b) long term      - unbundle toolchain
    c) very long term - use new npm registry

* Currently, the build system uses nodejs 0.10.x, let's look at
  upgrading that

* Upstream CI should run selenium tests and other smoke tests

* Related patches:

   * openstack infra - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343834/
   * rpm spec in tripleo-ui - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344932/ 
   * once these are merged:
     * open a request for review in rdo
     * create a distgit repo for tripleo-ui

Feel free to add to this

Thanks

Honza Pokorny

On 2016-07-21 17:47, Haïkel wrote:
> 2016-07-21 16:23 GMT+02:00 Honza Pokorny <honza redhat com>:
> > There still seems to be some confusion about what we're saying, so let
> > me attempt to summarize:
> >
> > 1. bundling of npm dependencies (sources) undesirable but temporarily tolerated
> >
> > 2. bundling of build toolchain even more undesirable
> >
> > 3. all bundling of sources tolerated temporarily
> >
> > 4. start working on packaging build toolchain as soon as possible
> >
> > A modern javascript application (both frontend and nodejs) uses npm to
> > manage its dependencies and to build production/release versions from
> > sources.  All of this configuration information is contained in the
> > package.json file.  The "dependencies" section of that file contains a
> > list of direct application dependencies; the "devDependencies" section
> > contains a list of build/minification dependencies.  Typically, one will
> > run "npm install" to fetch all dependencies: these will be placed in the
> > node_modules/ directory --- npm downloads sources along with artifacts
> > (e.g. if the package is written in coffee-script, it will contain both
> > the coffee-script sources and the compiled js).  And, we plan to use npm
> > to also build the minified code (e.g. "npm run build").
> >
> > What I propose to do is:
> >
> > 1.  On release, run "npm install" to bring in all dependencies
> > 2.  Create a tarball of node_modules
> > 3.  Run "npm pack" to create a release package
> > 4.  The tripleo-ui RPM spec will receive the package from 3. as Source0
> > 5.  The RPM build system has all of the application and build
> >     dependencies in the node_modules.tar.gz file; it can build minified
> >     dist files (release, production) without internet access
> >
> > Once we have this system in place and we can actually ship our code, we
> > can start working on unbundling those dependencies (i.e removing them
> > from the node_modules tarball, and publishing them as rpms that the
> > tripleo-ui.spec can request).
> >
> > How does this sound?  Do I understand this correctly?
> >
> > Honza Pokorny
> >
> 
> Looks ok as a first step.
> Difficulty is that as long as we have this bundling, we won't be able
> to build TripleO UI in DLRN (except by introducing a specific
> workaround).
> 
> H.
> 
> 
> > On 2016-07-19 17:34, Haïkel wrote:
> >> 2016-07-19 16:53 GMT+02:00 Honza Pokorny <hpokorny redhat com>:
> >> > On 2016-07-19 16:29, Haďkel wrote:
> >> >> 2016-07-19 16:08 GMT+02:00 Florian Fuchs <flfuchs redhat com>:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So a couple of questions, assuming/suggesting the following workflow:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 1. In a first step, we make sure the build tools and dependencies exist as
> >> >> > node modules on the build system, so it can compile the target JS files from
> >> >> > it. We make sure all dependencies have compatible licenses.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2. On each new tripleo-ui release, the build system compiles new target JS
> >> >> > files using the dependencies from step 1.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 3. The build system adds the compiled files to the new package (which is
> >> >> > otherwise based on the tripleo-ui distgit repo).
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Questions:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - Is this workflow plausible/acceptable/feasible?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, though I'm not sure what you understand as build system.
> >> >> Build system has no internet access, and except baseOS, only things
> >> >> available are provided sources + dependencies declared as
> >> >> BuildRequires (must be packaged)
> >> >
> >> > I guess this is the biggest problem: our build system is responsible for
> >> > both fetching any dependencies and for actually building the project.
> >> > Preferably, we'd like to run "npm install" from the RPM spec.  This step
> >> > requires internet access, and therefore violates one of the rules. Since
> >> > our dependencies are fixed/pinned, there is a fair degree of certainty
> >> > that the dependencies will be the same each time the build is run[1].
> >> > Npm install brings in sources, not artifacts.
> >> >
> >>
> >> There's an ongoing work to integrate language "native" packages with
> >> RPM ecosystem (so-called modularity workgroup in Fedora)
> >> In the future, build system will have access to an internal npm
> >> registry mirror (and pypi  for python, etc.), but that's still an
> >> ongoing work and there are many issues to solve (notably
> >> reproducibility).
> >>
> >> For now, we either have to package dependencies or bundle them. Our
> >> build and delivery infrastructure is provided by CentOS, these are not
> >> constraints that we can bypass, nor we can maintain on our own.
> >>
> >> The landscape of software engineering was very different when
> >> GNU/Linux packaging and distributions were created, and it'll take
> >> time to adapt to modern software engineering (for the better or the
> >> worst)
> >>
> >> > What would be your preferred solution?  Should we try and use xstatic?
> >> > We could also bundle our dependencies along with the source tarball ---
> >> > would that ease your mind?
> >> >
> >>
> >> xstatic would be nice but I'd prefer that you check with our horizon
> >> developers, first. They have more experience on that topic, especially
> >> Mattias who also maintained horizon packaging.
> >> Yes, direct dependencies can be bundled, we can tolerate minification
> >> toolchain (provided it complies with our licensing terms) bundling but
> >> that'd be temporary exception.
> >>
> >> > [1]: Yes, I know about the leftpad fiasco :)
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> > - If it is, would that flow be good acceptable for now only, or even
> >> >> >  permanently, given that all sources are free software and the build is
> >> >> >  transparent and reproducible?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> That's the stable state we want to reach.
> >> >> Depending the amount of work needed, we may tolerate temporary
> >> >> exceptions, but they have to be approved by RDO maintainers in our
> >> >> weekly meeting.
> >> >>
> >> >> > - Would version changes for dependencies have to be reviewed separately or
> >> >> >  could they be updated with each new build based on the version information
> >> >> >  in the upstream repo's package.json file?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Process is:
> >> >> * initial review when you introduce new package (except if it's
> >> >> packaged in Fedora as they have exemption from legal team)
> >> >> * update bumps are done directly without peer reviewing (well release
> >> >> wranglers and CI are checking sanity)
> >> >>
> >> >> > - Could steps 1. and 2. be combined, so tools and dependencies are updated
> >> >> >  and installed on each new release? (Assuming dependency changes are
> >> >> >  reviewed beforehand.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks for clarifying!
> >> >> > Florian
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Up to a certain extent, while we tolerate bundling web assets, I
> >> >> prefer that we don't bundle the toolchain and try to keep it stable.
> >> >> Not that we'd enforce strict constraints on that, but remember that we
> >> >> have limited ressources to maintain the whole distribution.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> H.
> >> >>
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