From frastow at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 06:33:53 2008 From: frastow at gmail.com (frastow at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:33:53 +0000 Subject: Customized installation for Oracle Message-ID: <678908826-1225521216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-667987477-@bxe090.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Dear List, We are trying to make a customized install of RHEL 4.5 to run Oracle database 10g, with only the minimum packages required, so that we reduce the size, minimize attack surface and reduce patching efforts, etc. Any thoughts on where we can find such a list of packages, how to make such an install, etc.? Regards, Empower your Business with BlackBerry? and Mobile Solutions from Etisalat From Thomas.vonSteiger at swisscom.com Mon Nov 3 12:27:54 2008 From: Thomas.vonSteiger at swisscom.com (Thomas.vonSteiger at swisscom.com) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:27:54 +0100 Subject: Customized installation for Oracle In-Reply-To: <678908826-1225521216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-667987477-@bxe090.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <678908826-1225521216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-667987477-@bxe090.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1FC8A0BAFBBD9749BB1F06010D23C8A5336A0F13@sg000035.corproot.net> Here are a good link for howto oracle 10g on linux: http://www.puschitz.com/InstallingOracle10g.shtml The minimum rpm's you can have by deselect everything an install this rpm's http://www.puschitz.com/InstallingOracle10g.shtml#CheckingSoftwarePackages -Thomas -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of frastow at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:34 AM To: Redhat Install Subject: Customized installation for Oracle Dear List, We are trying to make a customized install of RHEL 4.5 to run Oracle database 10g, with only the minimum packages required, so that we reduce the size, minimize attack surface and reduce patching efforts, etc. Any thoughts on where we can find such a list of packages, how to make such an install, etc.? 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From frastow at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 16:41:19 2008 From: frastow at gmail.com (frastow at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:41:19 +0000 Subject: Customized installation for Oracle Message-ID: <987361872-1225730465-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-462330266-@bxe090.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Thomas thanks. This sounds quite good - I will do a test install and update. Regards, ------Original Message------ From: Thomas.vonSteiger at swisscom.com To: frastow at gmail.com To: Redhat Install Subject: RE: Customized installation for Oracle Sent: Nov 3, 2008 4:27 PM Here are a good link for howto oracle 10g on linux: http://www.puschitz.com/InstallingOracle10g.shtml The minimum rpm's you can have by deselect everything an install this rpm's http://www.puschitz.com/InstallingOracle10g.shtml#CheckingSoftwarePackages -Thomas -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of frastow at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:34 AM To: Redhat Install Subject: Customized installation for Oracle Dear List, We are trying to make a customized install of RHEL 4.5 to run Oracle database 10g, with only the minimum packages required, so that we reduce the size, minimize attack surface and reduce patching efforts, etc. Any thoughts on where we can find such a list of packages, how to make such an install, etc.? Regards, Empower your Business with BlackBerry(r) and Mobile Solutions from Etisalat _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe Empower your Business with BlackBerry? and Mobile Solutions from Etisalat From henders254 at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 04:18:49 2008 From: henders254 at gmail.com (Chris Henderson) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:18:49 +1100 Subject: Confused about 64-bit ISO Message-ID: I have a x86 computer where I can install a 64-bit O.S. I need to install a 64-bit Redhat AS or ES in there. But when I go to Redhat's ISO download section it gets very confusing with various options. I have downloaded and burned a 900MB Red Hat Application Server v. 2 (AS v. 4 for x86_64) but can't seem to boot off the DVD. If it's a 64-bit O.S. then why it's only 900MB and why can't I boot off of it? I'm not sure what's Intel Itanium or IBM Power or Intel EM64T is. Could anyone please point me to the right 64-bit ISO for x86? From nmw at ion.le.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 10:39:02 2008 From: nmw at ion.le.ac.uk (Nigel Wade) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:39:02 +0000 Subject: Confused about 64-bit ISO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49141AC6.9040301@ion.le.ac.uk> Chris Henderson wrote: > I have a x86 computer where I can install a 64-bit O.S. I need to > install a 64-bit Redhat AS or ES in there. But when I go to Redhat's > ISO download section it gets very confusing with various options. I > have downloaded and burned a 900MB Red Hat Application Server v. 2 (AS > v. 4 for x86_64) but can't seem to boot off the DVD. If it's a 64-bit > O.S. then why it's only 900MB and why can't I boot off of it? RedHat Application Server is not an operating system. It is a framework for developing and running Web Applications. > I'm not sure what's Intel Itanium or IBM Power or Intel EM64T is. They are different processor architectures. > > Could anyone please point me to the right 64-bit ISO for x86? > What you need is RedHat Enterprise Linux. The latest version is 5.2. There is no longer any AS/ES distinction. Login to your RHN. Click on the Download Software icon on the left of the page. Then follow the link to "Red Hat Enterprise Linux (v. 5 for 64-bit x86_64)" (don't expand the "+") and download the Binary DVD iso. If you really do want AS or ES (RHEL 4) then there are links to the download sections for older RHEL versions on the same page e.g. "Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS (v. 4 for 64-bit AMD64/Intel EM64T)". -- Nigel Wade, System Administrator, Space Plasma Physics Group, University of Leicester, Leicester, LE1 7RH, UK E-mail : nmw at ion.le.ac.uk Phone : +44 (0)116 2523548, Fax : +44 (0)116 2523555 From digital8doug at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 06:39:09 2008 From: digital8doug at yahoo.com (Doug A. HASLETT-Digital Video) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:39:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Confused about 64-bit iso; If not a server, then Download a recent Fedora Message-ID: <198549.79501.qm@web32108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chris Henderson, Which CPU do you have; an Intel Core 2 Duo or an AMD x2 ? Either one will run x86-64. If you have a different CPU, may need another version (or stay 32 bit OS!) Am assuming; 1 U R new to GNU/Linux OS; and 2 possibly migrating away from M$ Windoz, 3 not really in need of Server software, 4 ended up in Redhat lists BY FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS! Would recommend using recent Fedora OS (#9). 10 is still in testing but will be released very shortly/later in 2008. Choice depends on age of your equipment, maybe better to use Fedora 8.Good luck D8D RSVP via email if more info desired as I have 3 years as GNU newbie From ricks at nerd.com Wed Nov 12 17:46:12 2008 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:46:12 -0800 Subject: Confused about 64-bit iso; If not a server, then Download a recent Fedora In-Reply-To: <198549.79501.qm@web32108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <198549.79501.qm@web32108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <491B1664.6040901@nerd.com> Doug A. HASLETT-Digital Video wrote: > Chris Henderson, Which CPU do you have; an Intel Core 2 Duo or an AMD x2 ? > Either one will run x86-64. > If you have a different CPU, may need another version (or stay 32 bit OS!) > Am assuming; 1 U R new to GNU/Linux OS; and 2 possibly migrating away from M$ Windoz, 3 not really in need of Server software, 4 ended up in Redhat lists BY FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS! > Would recommend using recent Fedora OS (#9). 10 is still in testing but will be released very shortly/later in 2008. Choice depends on age of your equipment, maybe better to use Fedora 8.Good luck D8D > RSVP via email if more info desired as I have 3 years as GNU newbie Whoa! Formatting, Doug, formatting! First, yes, there's only one 64-bit kernel for Intelish processors (that's both AMD and Intel 64-bit chips). There are different kernels for non-Intelish processors (e.g. Sun SPARC, etc.). The AMD and Intel 64-bit processors also happily run 32-bit kernels. There are still issues with a number of third party things not being available in 64-bit versions (Adobe Flash for example). Unless the OP really and truly needs the 64-bit features (e.g. heavy number crunching, flat memory model, etc.), it may be wiser to use the 32-bit version of the OS. For most tasks there's not a huge performance difference between the 32- and 64-bit versions. If the OP needs a stable OS, then Red Hat Enterprise (RHEL) 5 or CentOS 5 (built from Red Hat's source RPMs, but relabeled and tweaked a bit) may be a better bet. Those of us in "Fedora Land" admit that Fedora is more of a test bed (I'd even go so far as calling it a beta--others disagree) for what eventually becomes RHEL (e.g. RHEL 5 is based on Fedora 6). We are the "experimental hamsters" for Red Hat, and Fedora is our maze. Fedora 9 still has some teething issues and I wouldn't recommend it to a newbie. Fedora 10 is due to be released on the 20th and indications are that it'll be a bit more polished than F9 was but it's still a bit rough around the edges (the KDE desktop continues to evolve and there have been some last minute changes regarding which applications will be included). I don't recommend Fedora 8 (F8) either as it will cease to be actively supported soon. Generally, a new Fedora is released every 6 months, and support for older versions halts two months after its second successor has been released. Based on this, F8 will cease to be actively supported two months after F10 is released (so, mid-January if the F10 schedule holds). Also note that Fedora and CentOS don't differentiate between "server" and "desktop" versions. It depends on what bits you install that sets the "flavor". If you install the Gnome or KDE desktops and all of their associated applications, then you've got a "desktop" machine. If you don't, then you have a "server" (command line access only). And if you don't boot a "desktop" machine to run level 5 (thereby starting the GUI system), it runs like a server. Your choice. Also note that Fedora and CentOS kernels are essentially the "bigmem, SMP" kernels with no limit on the number of processors (which was the primary difference between the old RHEL 4 "AS" and "ES" versions). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - ...Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror - - and you'd be on your own, pal! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From labeebmpm at gmail.com Thu Nov 27 15:29:17 2008 From: labeebmpm at gmail.com (LABEEB .M) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:59:17 +0530 Subject: redhat licensing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <134c73a60811270729v1e841909yd588ea207312389d@mail.gmail.com> if you are licensing your product it is better ,bcz you can download easily the updates 2008/7/7 Sujitkumar Shirkar > > Hello all, > > I would like to know > do i need to buy RHEL 4, Update 4 license if i have to use it for > production purpose? > We have download from the net and it is working fine, then do i need to buy > license? > If i have 100 system installed with RHEL4 Update 4 and if i i buy only > one RHEL subcription will it work for all 100 systems? > > Please advise > > With Thanks and Regards > > Sujitkumar Shirkar > > > ------------------------------ > Take the quiz. Crack your personality type. Get individualized suggestions > for email ids that suit your personality.Log on to > www.coolhotmail.com/personality.html Try it now! > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmbdick at gmail.com Fri Nov 28 21:56:18 2008 From: rmbdick at gmail.com (Dick Bentley) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:56:18 -0600 Subject: multibooting Message-ID: <599fc6a50811281356s14f9c1fdqa8fd775302e0686e@mail.gmail.com> Running three OSs plus Knoppix on an AMD64-based machine with 3 large SATA drives, onr allocated to each system -- currently XP Prox64, Debian, and Ubuntu -- I started out with XP, Fedora, and Ubuntu. When I upgraded Ubuntu it correctly modified the GRUB bootloader, but when I upgraded Fedora to 9 it failed to recognize and incorporate the other operating systems. My goal with this circus is to identify a Linux or Unix based system I will be happy with as a replacement for Microsoft when they quit supporting XP, which is as far as I'm willing to go with them on my home/office workstation (a very small and neglected market). Anyone know if Fedora 10 will play nice with XP and Ubuntu via GRUB? I gave up on SUSE, which seems determined to have the whole machine or nothing; but I would like to get a little more experience with Fedora. I still have freeBSD and Solaris on my list as well. I always ran Red Hat with my Windows system at home until they split off Fedora and went for the corporate market, and I have worked in Windows, MacIntosh, and Solaris shops -- so now that I am in my Golden Years I do know what I am groping toward. Sort of. 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The permissions are right out of the box: drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 28 04:02 /var/spool/mail I've done a web search and found nothing useful. My solution in each case has been to make /var/spool/mail world writable, and, in at least one case, added the sticky bit, to wit: drwxrwxrwt 3 root mail 20480 Nov 28 16:19 /var/spool/mail It works, but it's not the way it's supposed to work out of the box. Selinux is disabled on all machines. What am I missing? Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. 1 Peter 3:3-4 (NIV) From mcorsi at spearreport.com Sat Nov 29 04:03:10 2008 From: mcorsi at spearreport.com (Mark Corsi) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:03:10 -0500 Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox In-Reply-To: <20081129012428.GA22339@bobcat.bobcatos.com> References: <20081129012428.GA22339@bobcat.bobcatos.com> Message-ID: <001801c951d7$64ca0730$2e5e1590$@com> Not what you will want to hear, but... Use Sendmail. Older, more stable, runs 80% of all mail servers. Never ceases to amaze me when people always try to make a better widget than one that works nearly perfectly. -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:24 PM To: Red Hat Install Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox Okay, this is driving me nuts. Procmail can't create a mailbox for a new user. This has come up on at least four servers I manage - FC5, FC6, CentOS 5.2, and now RedHat 5.2. They are all using Postfix and procmail to accept and deliver mail. All but one involve "bootlegging" in the users by copying over the normal users' passwd, shadow, group, and gshadow entries, as well as their home directories and/or the mail spool (/var/spool/mail). In the most recent case (RHEL 5), the /var/spool/mail directory is stock except that I created an LVM device and transferred /var/spool contents to it and then mounted it on /var/spool. The permissions are right out of the box: drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 28 04:02 /var/spool/mail I've done a web search and found nothing useful. My solution in each case has been to make /var/spool/mail world writable, and, in at least one case, added the sticky bit, to wit: drwxrwxrwt 3 root mail 20480 Nov 28 16:19 /var/spool/mail It works, but it's not the way it's supposed to work out of the box. Selinux is disabled on all machines. What am I missing? Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. 1 Peter 3:3-4 (NIV) _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe From bob at bobcatos.com Sat Nov 29 12:51:20 2008 From: bob at bobcatos.com (Bob McClure Jr) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:51:20 -0600 Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox In-Reply-To: <001801c951d7$64ca0730$2e5e1590$@com> References: <20081129012428.GA22339@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <001801c951d7$64ca0730$2e5e1590$@com> Message-ID: <20081129125120.GA25805@bobcat.bobcatos.com> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:03:10PM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > Not what you will want to hear, but... > > Use Sendmail. Older, more stable, runs 80% of all mail servers. Well, ubiquity does not make superiority. Note that Windows runs a similar percentage of PCs. You wouldn't suggest that I go back to that, would you? > Never ceases to amaze me when people always try to make a better widget than > one that works nearly perfectly. I barely got the hang of configuring sendmail when it was a single daemon. When it went to two daemons, I never figured out which config items went in which daemon's config. Postfix is much easier to figure out, and IMHO more flexible. Note also that I think procmail is the problem, not postfix. > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:24 PM > To: Red Hat Install > Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox > > Okay, this is driving me nuts. Procmail can't create a mailbox for a > new user. This has come up on at least four servers I manage - FC5, > FC6, CentOS 5.2, and now RedHat 5.2. They are all using Postfix and > procmail to accept and deliver mail. All but one involve > "bootlegging" in the users by copying over the normal users' passwd, > shadow, group, and gshadow entries, as well as their home directories > and/or the mail spool (/var/spool/mail). In the most recent case > (RHEL 5), the /var/spool/mail directory is stock except that I created > an LVM device and transferred /var/spool contents to it and then > mounted it on /var/spool. The permissions are right out of the box: > > drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 28 04:02 /var/spool/mail > > I've done a web search and found nothing useful. My solution in each > case has been to make /var/spool/mail world writable, and, in at least > one case, added the sticky bit, to wit: > > drwxrwxrwt 3 root mail 20480 Nov 28 16:19 /var/spool/mail > > It works, but it's not the way it's supposed to work out of the box. > Selinux is disabled on all machines. What am I missing? > > Cheers, > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) From mcorsi at spearreport.com Sat Nov 29 13:05:55 2008 From: mcorsi at spearreport.com (Mark Corsi) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:05:55 -0500 Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox In-Reply-To: <20081129125120.GA25805@bobcat.bobcatos.com> References: <20081129012428.GA22339@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <001801c951d7$64ca0730$2e5e1590$@com> <20081129125120.GA25805@bobcat.bobcatos.com> Message-ID: <001901c95223$375637a0$a602a6e0$@com> Sorry Bob. My response was a bit 'tongue-in-cheek'. Late at night and one too many beers. -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:51 AM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: Procmail can't create mailbox On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:03:10PM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > Not what you will want to hear, but... > > Use Sendmail. Older, more stable, runs 80% of all mail servers. Well, ubiquity does not make superiority. Note that Windows runs a similar percentage of PCs. You wouldn't suggest that I go back to that, would you? > Never ceases to amaze me when people always try to make a better widget than > one that works nearly perfectly. I barely got the hang of configuring sendmail when it was a single daemon. When it went to two daemons, I never figured out which config items went in which daemon's config. Postfix is much easier to figure out, and IMHO more flexible. Note also that I think procmail is the problem, not postfix. > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:24 PM > To: Red Hat Install > Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox > > Okay, this is driving me nuts. Procmail can't create a mailbox for a > new user. This has come up on at least four servers I manage - FC5, > FC6, CentOS 5.2, and now RedHat 5.2. They are all using Postfix and > procmail to accept and deliver mail. All but one involve > "bootlegging" in the users by copying over the normal users' passwd, > shadow, group, and gshadow entries, as well as their home directories > and/or the mail spool (/var/spool/mail). In the most recent case > (RHEL 5), the /var/spool/mail directory is stock except that I created > an LVM device and transferred /var/spool contents to it and then > mounted it on /var/spool. The permissions are right out of the box: > > drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 28 04:02 /var/spool/mail > > I've done a web search and found nothing useful. My solution in each > case has been to make /var/spool/mail world writable, and, in at least > one case, added the sticky bit, to wit: > > drwxrwxrwt 3 root mail 20480 Nov 28 16:19 /var/spool/mail > > It works, but it's not the way it's supposed to work out of the box. > Selinux is disabled on all machines. What am I missing? > > Cheers, > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe From mcorsi at spearreport.com Sat Nov 29 13:08:54 2008 From: mcorsi at spearreport.com (Mark Corsi) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:08:54 -0500 Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox In-Reply-To: <20081129125120.GA25805@bobcat.bobcatos.com> References: <20081129012428.GA22339@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <001801c951d7$64ca0730$2e5e1590$@com> <20081129125120.GA25805@bobcat.bobcatos.com> Message-ID: <002101c95223$a21ccfe0$e6566fa0$@com> One suggestion, rather than using permissions straight out of box. Try setting the permissions to 777 (temporarily) to see if it is a permission based issue. -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:51 AM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: Procmail can't create mailbox On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:03:10PM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > Not what you will want to hear, but... > > Use Sendmail. Older, more stable, runs 80% of all mail servers. Well, ubiquity does not make superiority. Note that Windows runs a similar percentage of PCs. You wouldn't suggest that I go back to that, would you? > Never ceases to amaze me when people always try to make a better widget than > one that works nearly perfectly. I barely got the hang of configuring sendmail when it was a single daemon. When it went to two daemons, I never figured out which config items went in which daemon's config. Postfix is much easier to figure out, and IMHO more flexible. Note also that I think procmail is the problem, not postfix. > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:24 PM > To: Red Hat Install > Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox > > Okay, this is driving me nuts. Procmail can't create a mailbox for a > new user. This has come up on at least four servers I manage - FC5, > FC6, CentOS 5.2, and now RedHat 5.2. They are all using Postfix and > procmail to accept and deliver mail. All but one involve > "bootlegging" in the users by copying over the normal users' passwd, > shadow, group, and gshadow entries, as well as their home directories > and/or the mail spool (/var/spool/mail). In the most recent case > (RHEL 5), the /var/spool/mail directory is stock except that I created > an LVM device and transferred /var/spool contents to it and then > mounted it on /var/spool. The permissions are right out of the box: > > drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 28 04:02 /var/spool/mail > > I've done a web search and found nothing useful. My solution in each > case has been to make /var/spool/mail world writable, and, in at least > one case, added the sticky bit, to wit: > > drwxrwxrwt 3 root mail 20480 Nov 28 16:19 /var/spool/mail > > It works, but it's not the way it's supposed to work out of the box. > Selinux is disabled on all machines. What am I missing? > > Cheers, > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe From bob at bobcatos.com Sat Nov 29 13:34:08 2008 From: bob at bobcatos.com (Bob McClure Jr) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:34:08 -0600 Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox In-Reply-To: <001901c95223$375637a0$a602a6e0$@com> References: <20081129012428.GA22339@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <001801c951d7$64ca0730$2e5e1590$@com> <20081129125120.GA25805@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <001901c95223$375637a0$a602a6e0$@com> Message-ID: <20081129133408.GA26172@bobcat.bobcatos.com> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 08:05:55AM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > Sorry Bob. My response was a bit 'tongue-in-cheek'. Late at night and one > too many beers. Not a problem. Been there, done that. > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:51 AM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: Procmail can't create mailbox > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:03:10PM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > > Not what you will want to hear, but... > > > > Use Sendmail. Older, more stable, runs 80% of all mail servers. > > Well, ubiquity does not make superiority. Note that Windows runs a > similar percentage of PCs. You wouldn't suggest that I go back to > that, would you? > > > Never ceases to amaze me when people always try to make a better widget > than > > one that works nearly perfectly. > > I barely got the hang of configuring sendmail when it was a single > daemon. When it went to two daemons, I never figured out which config > items went in which daemon's config. Postfix is much easier to figure > out, and IMHO more flexible. > > Note also that I think procmail is the problem, not postfix. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure > > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:24 PM > > To: Red Hat Install > > Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox > > > > Okay, this is driving me nuts. Procmail can't create a mailbox for a > > new user. This has come up on at least four servers I manage - FC5, > > FC6, CentOS 5.2, and now RedHat 5.2. They are all using Postfix and > > procmail to accept and deliver mail. All but one involve > > "bootlegging" in the users by copying over the normal users' passwd, > > shadow, group, and gshadow entries, as well as their home directories > > and/or the mail spool (/var/spool/mail). In the most recent case > > (RHEL 5), the /var/spool/mail directory is stock except that I created > > an LVM device and transferred /var/spool contents to it and then > > mounted it on /var/spool. The permissions are right out of the box: > > > > drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 28 04:02 /var/spool/mail > > > > I've done a web search and found nothing useful. My solution in each > > case has been to make /var/spool/mail world writable, and, in at least > > one case, added the sticky bit, to wit: > > > > drwxrwxrwt 3 root mail 20480 Nov 28 16:19 /var/spool/mail > > > > It works, but it's not the way it's supposed to work out of the box. > > Selinux is disabled on all machines. What am I missing? > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Bob McClure, Jr. > > Cheers, > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) From bob at bobcatos.com Sat Nov 29 13:36:28 2008 From: bob at bobcatos.com (Bob McClure Jr) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:36:28 -0600 Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox In-Reply-To: <002101c95223$a21ccfe0$e6566fa0$@com> References: <20081129012428.GA22339@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <001801c951d7$64ca0730$2e5e1590$@com> <20081129125120.GA25805@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <002101c95223$a21ccfe0$e6566fa0$@com> Message-ID: <20081129133628.GB26172@bobcat.bobcatos.com> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 08:08:54AM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > One suggestion, rather than using permissions straight out of box. Try > setting the permissions to 777 (temporarily) to see if it is a permission > based issue. Yep, did that. It works, but that's not the way it's supposed to work. That's my interim dodge until I find The Right Solution(tm). > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:51 AM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: Procmail can't create mailbox > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:03:10PM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > > Not what you will want to hear, but... > > > > Use Sendmail. Older, more stable, runs 80% of all mail servers. > > Well, ubiquity does not make superiority. Note that Windows runs a > similar percentage of PCs. You wouldn't suggest that I go back to > that, would you? > > > Never ceases to amaze me when people always try to make a better widget > than > > one that works nearly perfectly. > > I barely got the hang of configuring sendmail when it was a single > daemon. When it went to two daemons, I never figured out which config > items went in which daemon's config. Postfix is much easier to figure > out, and IMHO more flexible. > > Note also that I think procmail is the problem, not postfix. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure > > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:24 PM > > To: Red Hat Install > > Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox > > > > Okay, this is driving me nuts. Procmail can't create a mailbox for a > > new user. This has come up on at least four servers I manage - FC5, > > FC6, CentOS 5.2, and now RedHat 5.2. They are all using Postfix and > > procmail to accept and deliver mail. All but one involve > > "bootlegging" in the users by copying over the normal users' passwd, > > shadow, group, and gshadow entries, as well as their home directories > > and/or the mail spool (/var/spool/mail). In the most recent case > > (RHEL 5), the /var/spool/mail directory is stock except that I created > > an LVM device and transferred /var/spool contents to it and then > > mounted it on /var/spool. The permissions are right out of the box: > > > > drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 28 04:02 /var/spool/mail > > > > I've done a web search and found nothing useful. My solution in each > > case has been to make /var/spool/mail world writable, and, in at least > > one case, added the sticky bit, to wit: > > > > drwxrwxrwt 3 root mail 20480 Nov 28 16:19 /var/spool/mail > > > > It works, but it's not the way it's supposed to work out of the box. > > Selinux is disabled on all machines. What am I missing? > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Bob McClure, Jr. > > Cheers, > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) From mcorsi at spearreport.com Sat Nov 29 14:17:51 2008 From: mcorsi at spearreport.com (Mark Corsi) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:17:51 -0500 Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox In-Reply-To: <20081129133628.GB26172@bobcat.bobcatos.com> References: <20081129012428.GA22339@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <001801c951d7$64ca0730$2e5e1590$@com> <20081129125120.GA25805@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <002101c95223$a21ccfe0$e6566fa0$@com> <20081129133628.GB26172@bobcat.bobcatos.com> Message-ID: <002501c9522d$440935b0$cc1ba110$@com> Ok - if that works then back the permissions off slowly to figure out what that folder sees the process as. -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:36 AM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: Procmail can't create mailbox On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 08:08:54AM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > One suggestion, rather than using permissions straight out of box. Try > setting the permissions to 777 (temporarily) to see if it is a permission > based issue. Yep, did that. It works, but that's not the way it's supposed to work. That's my interim dodge until I find The Right Solution(tm). > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:51 AM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: Procmail can't create mailbox > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:03:10PM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > > Not what you will want to hear, but... > > > > Use Sendmail. Older, more stable, runs 80% of all mail servers. > > Well, ubiquity does not make superiority. Note that Windows runs a > similar percentage of PCs. You wouldn't suggest that I go back to > that, would you? > > > Never ceases to amaze me when people always try to make a better widget > than > > one that works nearly perfectly. > > I barely got the hang of configuring sendmail when it was a single > daemon. When it went to two daemons, I never figured out which config > items went in which daemon's config. Postfix is much easier to figure > out, and IMHO more flexible. > > Note also that I think procmail is the problem, not postfix. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure > > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:24 PM > > To: Red Hat Install > > Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox > > > > Okay, this is driving me nuts. Procmail can't create a mailbox for a > > new user. This has come up on at least four servers I manage - FC5, > > FC6, CentOS 5.2, and now RedHat 5.2. They are all using Postfix and > > procmail to accept and deliver mail. All but one involve > > "bootlegging" in the users by copying over the normal users' passwd, > > shadow, group, and gshadow entries, as well as their home directories > > and/or the mail spool (/var/spool/mail). In the most recent case > > (RHEL 5), the /var/spool/mail directory is stock except that I created > > an LVM device and transferred /var/spool contents to it and then > > mounted it on /var/spool. The permissions are right out of the box: > > > > drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 28 04:02 /var/spool/mail > > > > I've done a web search and found nothing useful. My solution in each > > case has been to make /var/spool/mail world writable, and, in at least > > one case, added the sticky bit, to wit: > > > > drwxrwxrwt 3 root mail 20480 Nov 28 16:19 /var/spool/mail > > > > It works, but it's not the way it's supposed to work out of the box. > > Selinux is disabled on all machines. What am I missing? > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Bob McClure, Jr. > > Cheers, > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe From mcorsi at spearreport.com Sat Nov 29 14:28:38 2008 From: mcorsi at spearreport.com (Mark Corsi) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:28:38 -0500 Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox In-Reply-To: <20081129133628.GB26172@bobcat.bobcatos.com> References: <20081129012428.GA22339@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <001801c951d7$64ca0730$2e5e1590$@com> <20081129125120.GA25805@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <002101c95223$a21ccfe0$e6566fa0$@com> <20081129133628.GB26172@bobcat.bobcatos.com> Message-ID: <002601c9522e$c582b2a0$508817e0$@com> My guess is that the server is seeing the process as 'other'. This leaves two solutions. One is to start the process with sudo so it starts as root. I would hazard a guess that this would open up an unexpected security hole since this is a mail process. The other solution is to make the process owner part of the group that owns that folder and make the folder group writable. Pretty sure the second solution will maintain security while accomplishing your goal. -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:36 AM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: Procmail can't create mailbox On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 08:08:54AM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > One suggestion, rather than using permissions straight out of box. Try > setting the permissions to 777 (temporarily) to see if it is a permission > based issue. Yep, did that. It works, but that's not the way it's supposed to work. That's my interim dodge until I find The Right Solution(tm). > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:51 AM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: Procmail can't create mailbox > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:03:10PM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > > Not what you will want to hear, but... > > > > Use Sendmail. Older, more stable, runs 80% of all mail servers. > > Well, ubiquity does not make superiority. Note that Windows runs a > similar percentage of PCs. You wouldn't suggest that I go back to > that, would you? > > > Never ceases to amaze me when people always try to make a better widget > than > > one that works nearly perfectly. > > I barely got the hang of configuring sendmail when it was a single > daemon. When it went to two daemons, I never figured out which config > items went in which daemon's config. Postfix is much easier to figure > out, and IMHO more flexible. > > Note also that I think procmail is the problem, not postfix. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure > > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:24 PM > > To: Red Hat Install > > Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox > > > > Okay, this is driving me nuts. Procmail can't create a mailbox for a > > new user. This has come up on at least four servers I manage - FC5, > > FC6, CentOS 5.2, and now RedHat 5.2. They are all using Postfix and > > procmail to accept and deliver mail. All but one involve > > "bootlegging" in the users by copying over the normal users' passwd, > > shadow, group, and gshadow entries, as well as their home directories > > and/or the mail spool (/var/spool/mail). In the most recent case > > (RHEL 5), the /var/spool/mail directory is stock except that I created > > an LVM device and transferred /var/spool contents to it and then > > mounted it on /var/spool. The permissions are right out of the box: > > > > drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 28 04:02 /var/spool/mail > > > > I've done a web search and found nothing useful. My solution in each > > case has been to make /var/spool/mail world writable, and, in at least > > one case, added the sticky bit, to wit: > > > > drwxrwxrwt 3 root mail 20480 Nov 28 16:19 /var/spool/mail > > > > It works, but it's not the way it's supposed to work out of the box. > > Selinux is disabled on all machines. What am I missing? > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Bob McClure, Jr. > > Cheers, > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe From bob at bobcatos.com Sat Nov 29 17:49:25 2008 From: bob at bobcatos.com (Bob McClure Jr) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:49:25 -0600 Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox In-Reply-To: <002501c9522d$440935b0$cc1ba110$@com> References: <20081129012428.GA22339@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <001801c951d7$64ca0730$2e5e1590$@com> <20081129125120.GA25805@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <002101c95223$a21ccfe0$e6566fa0$@com> <20081129133628.GB26172@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <002501c9522d$440935b0$cc1ba110$@com> Message-ID: <20081129174925.GA26934@bobcat.bobcatos.com> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 09:17:51AM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > Ok - if that works then back the permissions off slowly to figure out what > that folder sees the process as. Well, there's only one difference - world write permission. As I understand it, procmail assumes the userid of the recipient, but retains (or at least should have) group-id of mail, which has write permission on /var/spool/mail. BTW, it actually writes to /var/mail, but that's a symlink to spool/mail, but that should make no difference. So the question may well be, what is the group ownership of the procmail process. Maybe I'll call a script from .procmailrc to report the GID. > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:36 AM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: Procmail can't create mailbox > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 08:08:54AM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > > One suggestion, rather than using permissions straight out of box. Try > > setting the permissions to 777 (temporarily) to see if it is a permission > > based issue. > > Yep, did that. It works, but that's not the way it's supposed to > work. That's my interim dodge until I find The Right Solution(tm). > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure > Jr > > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:51 AM > > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > > Subject: Re: Procmail can't create mailbox > > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:03:10PM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > > > Not what you will want to hear, but... > > > > > > Use Sendmail. Older, more stable, runs 80% of all mail servers. > > > > Well, ubiquity does not make superiority. Note that Windows runs a > > similar percentage of PCs. You wouldn't suggest that I go back to > > that, would you? > > > > > Never ceases to amaze me when people always try to make a better widget > > than > > > one that works nearly perfectly. > > > > I barely got the hang of configuring sendmail when it was a single > > daemon. When it went to two daemons, I never figured out which config > > items went in which daemon's config. Postfix is much easier to figure > > out, and IMHO more flexible. > > > > Note also that I think procmail is the problem, not postfix. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > > > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure > > > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:24 PM > > > To: Red Hat Install > > > Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox > > > > > > Okay, this is driving me nuts. Procmail can't create a mailbox for a > > > new user. This has come up on at least four servers I manage - FC5, > > > FC6, CentOS 5.2, and now RedHat 5.2. They are all using Postfix and > > > procmail to accept and deliver mail. All but one involve > > > "bootlegging" in the users by copying over the normal users' passwd, > > > shadow, group, and gshadow entries, as well as their home directories > > > and/or the mail spool (/var/spool/mail). In the most recent case > > > (RHEL 5), the /var/spool/mail directory is stock except that I created > > > an LVM device and transferred /var/spool contents to it and then > > > mounted it on /var/spool. The permissions are right out of the box: > > > > > > drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 28 04:02 /var/spool/mail > > > > > > I've done a web search and found nothing useful. My solution in each > > > case has been to make /var/spool/mail world writable, and, in at least > > > one case, added the sticky bit, to wit: > > > > > > drwxrwxrwt 3 root mail 20480 Nov 28 16:19 /var/spool/mail > > > > > > It works, but it's not the way it's supposed to work out of the box. > > > Selinux is disabled on all machines. What am I missing? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > -- > > > Bob McClure, Jr. > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Bob McClure, Jr. > > Cheers, > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) From bob at bobcatos.com Sat Nov 29 17:52:50 2008 From: bob at bobcatos.com (Bob McClure Jr) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:52:50 -0600 Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox In-Reply-To: <002601c9522e$c582b2a0$508817e0$@com> References: <20081129012428.GA22339@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <001801c951d7$64ca0730$2e5e1590$@com> <20081129125120.GA25805@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <002101c95223$a21ccfe0$e6566fa0$@com> <20081129133628.GB26172@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <002601c9522e$c582b2a0$508817e0$@com> Message-ID: <20081129175250.GB26934@bobcat.bobcatos.com> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 09:28:38AM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > My guess is that the server is seeing the process as 'other'. This leaves > two solutions. One is to start the process with sudo so it starts as root. I > would hazard a guess that this would open up an unexpected security hole > since this is a mail process. The other solution is to make the process > owner part of the group that owns that folder and make the folder group > writable. Pretty sure the second solution will maintain security while > accomplishing your goal. Well, I already have a sufficiently secure work-around, but that works around a symptom. I want to find out why an out-of-the-box configuration quit working. > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:36 AM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: Procmail can't create mailbox > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 08:08:54AM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > > One suggestion, rather than using permissions straight out of box. Try > > setting the permissions to 777 (temporarily) to see if it is a permission > > based issue. > > Yep, did that. It works, but that's not the way it's supposed to > work. That's my interim dodge until I find The Right Solution(tm). > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure > Jr > > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:51 AM > > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > > Subject: Re: Procmail can't create mailbox > > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:03:10PM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > > > Not what you will want to hear, but... > > > > > > Use Sendmail. Older, more stable, runs 80% of all mail servers. > > > > Well, ubiquity does not make superiority. Note that Windows runs a > > similar percentage of PCs. You wouldn't suggest that I go back to > > that, would you? > > > > > Never ceases to amaze me when people always try to make a better widget > > than > > > one that works nearly perfectly. > > > > I barely got the hang of configuring sendmail when it was a single > > daemon. When it went to two daemons, I never figured out which config > > items went in which daemon's config. Postfix is much easier to figure > > out, and IMHO more flexible. > > > > Note also that I think procmail is the problem, not postfix. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > > > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure > > > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:24 PM > > > To: Red Hat Install > > > Subject: Procmail can't create mailbox > > > > > > Okay, this is driving me nuts. Procmail can't create a mailbox for a > > > new user. This has come up on at least four servers I manage - FC5, > > > FC6, CentOS 5.2, and now RedHat 5.2. They are all using Postfix and > > > procmail to accept and deliver mail. All but one involve > > > "bootlegging" in the users by copying over the normal users' passwd, > > > shadow, group, and gshadow entries, as well as their home directories > > > and/or the mail spool (/var/spool/mail). In the most recent case > > > (RHEL 5), the /var/spool/mail directory is stock except that I created > > > an LVM device and transferred /var/spool contents to it and then > > > mounted it on /var/spool. The permissions are right out of the box: > > > > > > drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 28 04:02 /var/spool/mail > > > > > > I've done a web search and found nothing useful. My solution in each > > > case has been to make /var/spool/mail world writable, and, in at least > > > one case, added the sticky bit, to wit: > > > > > > drwxrwxrwt 3 root mail 20480 Nov 28 16:19 /var/spool/mail > > > > > > It works, but it's not the way it's supposed to work out of the box. > > > Selinux is disabled on all machines. What am I missing? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > -- > > > Bob McClure, Jr. > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Bob McClure, Jr. > > Cheers, > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 (NIV)