From karlp at ourldsfamily.com Wed Feb 4 05:03:06 2009 From: karlp at ourldsfamily.com (Karl Pearson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:03:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: OT: job posting Message-ID: <8808633e7b8d68d7f6f97335f97f1112.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> I'm not sure how many of you might be interested in the position below, but they pay relocation 100%, I believe, and pay very well. The contact email is a recruiter who is desperate to fill the position. He is so desperate, he even submitted my name. Go figure. And yes, I would be interested in a referral bonus. :-) Karl --------------------------- Original Message --------------------------- Subject: Here is the job description I told you about. From: "Scott Hodges" Date: Tue, February 3, 2009 4:49 pm To: karlp at ourldsfamily.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This position is working primarily with the Test & Targeting (TnT) product. Its a full-time, permanent position in which you will be a lead contributor to the design, engineering & maintenance of our SaaS offering - an online business optimization suite hosted with 99.998% uptime. The network consists of thousands of servers housed in several data centers around the world - tracking billions. Much of the responsibility will consist of scaling our network to support an increasing amount of traffic with greater effiency as our customer base continues to grow. He/She will report to the Director, Network Operations. Qualifications ? Linux/Unix environment. ? Layer 2 Networking (switch config, spanning tree, VLANs) ? TCP/IP Networking (basic routing concepts, policy routing) ? DNS (managing linux DNS servers, solving slave/master DNS zone replication problems) ? MySQL (replication, backups, general admin, monitoring/tuning) ? RAID (managing hardware arrays, optimizing arrays for particular needs) ? Firewalls (managing iptables-based firewalls) ? Shell (basic scripting) A plus to have: ? BGP (managing BGP anycast, multi-homed BGP peering) ? MySQL tuning / query analysis ? Advanced RAID/filesystem performance optimization ? ZXTM load balancer experience including TrafficScript ? Cfengine config management ? Perl/Python/other scripting languages ? Java knowledge/experience Scott Hodges Staffing Consultant Ampian Staffing Inc. 9071 S. 1300 W. Ste 104 W. Jordan, UT 84088 Office Phone: 877-229-6996 ext 102 Direct: 801-207-1635 Fax: 801-253-6127 Ask me about our referral bonus! From redhat at buglecreek.com Mon Feb 9 22:21:24 2009 From: redhat at buglecreek.com (redhat at buglecreek.com) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:21:24 -0700 Subject: Determine if x is running Message-ID: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> I'm am writing a script that sets some various security settings on Redhat Boxes. I would like to try to determine if a gui may be running on the box the script is run on. If so, I would echo some additional text to stdout that instructs the user that they may required to manually perform some additional settings manually. Things having to do with screen savers. Anyway, I thought about the following: 1. use the runlevel command or who -r to see if the system is in runlevel 5. This seems flawed since the box may have been started in runlevel 3 and the startx command may have been used. The commands would show runlevel 3. 2. Check if the environment variable DISPLAY is set. If so, seems like there is a good chance that they are running a gui. (maybe) Is there a better way to check this that anyone can think of? From rvandolson at esri.com Mon Feb 9 22:25:54 2009 From: rvandolson at esri.com (Ray Van Dolson) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:25:54 -0800 Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 02:21:24PM -0800, redhat at buglecreek.com wrote: > I'm am writing a script that sets some various security settings on > Redhat Boxes. I would like to try to determine if a gui may be running > on the box the script is run on. If so, I would echo some additional > text to stdout that instructs the user that they may required to > manually perform some additional settings manually. Things having to do > with screen savers. Anyway, I thought about the following: > > 1. use the runlevel command or who -r to see if the system is in > runlevel 5. This seems flawed since the box may have been started in > runlevel 3 and the startx command may have been used. The commands would > show runlevel 3. > 2. Check if the environment variable DISPLAY is set. If so, seems like > there is a good chance that they are running a gui. (maybe) > > Is there a better way to check this that anyone can think of? Would it be sufficient for your needs to check is the X process is running? Theoretically, there is probably some way to interact with a running X server directly from a script (even if you're not in control of its terminal) to determine if it's running. Also, X typically listens on port 6000 locally. Ray From Andy.Q.Wu at seagate.com Mon Feb 9 22:34:10 2009 From: Andy.Q.Wu at seagate.com (Andy.Q.Wu at seagate.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:34:10 +0800 Subject: Andy Q Wu/Seagate is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 02/10/2009 and will not return until 02/11/2009. I will be on leave on Feb 10. Please call my cell phone 91776398 if you have urgent issue. From karlp at ourldsfamily.com Tue Feb 10 06:30:38 2009 From: karlp at ourldsfamily.com (Karl Pearson) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 23:30:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> Message-ID: On Mon, February 9, 2009 3:25 pm, Ray Van Dolson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 02:21:24PM -0800, redhat at buglecreek.com wrote: >> I'm am writing a script that sets some various security settings on >> Redhat Boxes. I would like to try to determine if a gui may be >> running >> on the box the script is run on. If so, I would echo some additional >> text to stdout that instructs the user that they may required to >> manually perform some additional settings manually. Things having to >> do >> with screen savers. Anyway, I thought about the following: >> >> 1. use the runlevel command or who -r to see if the system is in >> runlevel 5. This seems flawed since the box may have been started in >> runlevel 3 and the startx command may have been used. The commands >> would >> show runlevel 3. >> 2. Check if the environment variable DISPLAY is set. If so, seems >> like >> there is a good chance that they are running a gui. (maybe) DISPLAY is set by the user's login process, so it would be empty for a cron job. >> >> Is there a better way to check this that anyone can think of? > > Would it be sufficient for your needs to check is the X process is > running? > > Theoretically, there is probably some way to interact with a running X > server directly from a script (even if you're not in control of its > terminal) to determine if it's running. > > Also, X typically listens on port 6000 locally. Just run runlevel and it will return what runlevel is currently being run in the second response, i.e: on boot, it will show N 5 or N 3 for X or text depending on what's in /etc/inittab on the initdefault line. Now then, that doesn't handle startx, but how many times might that actually happen. On my servers, there's no CRT/LCD, so no user will be running startx. They might run vncserver, however, and use an X display remotely. But, they better not leave it in that state, else that will be disabled for them. All the users in my network have Linux PCs anyway, and have no reason to be on the server unless they are editing a web page, but then they can use fish:// in Konqueror or sftp:/// in Nautilus. I suspect I've confused more than helped, but ask away and someone smarter than me will respond. Karl > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > --- Karl Pearson Karlp at ourldsfamily.com Owner/Administrator of the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- From ricks at nerd.com Tue Feb 10 18:30:55 2009 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:30:55 -0800 Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> Message-ID: <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> Karl Pearson wrote: > On Mon, February 9, 2009 3:25 pm, Ray Van Dolson wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 02:21:24PM -0800, redhat at buglecreek.com wrote: >>> I'm am writing a script that sets some various security settings on >>> Redhat Boxes. I would like to try to determine if a gui may be >>> running >>> on the box the script is run on. If so, I would echo some additional >>> text to stdout that instructs the user that they may required to >>> manually perform some additional settings manually. Things having to >>> do >>> with screen savers. Anyway, I thought about the following: >>> >>> 1. use the runlevel command or who -r to see if the system is in >>> runlevel 5. This seems flawed since the box may have been started in >>> runlevel 3 and the startx command may have been used. The commands >>> would >>> show runlevel 3. >>> 2. Check if the environment variable DISPLAY is set. If so, seems >>> like >>> there is a good chance that they are running a gui. (maybe) > > DISPLAY is set by the user's login process, so it would be empty for a > cron job. > >>> Is there a better way to check this that anyone can think of? >> Would it be sufficient for your needs to check is the X process is >> running? >> >> Theoretically, there is probably some way to interact with a running X >> server directly from a script (even if you're not in control of its >> terminal) to determine if it's running. The easiest way is a small shell script: #!/bin/bash RES=`ps ax | grep -v grep | grep -i xorg` if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then echo X is running else echo X is NOT running fi (substitute the name of your X server for "xorg" if you're not running XOrg). On top of that, $RES will be empty if X isn't running, and will contain the line from "ps ax" describing it if X is running. This should work regardless of if the machine starts X by going into run level 5 and firing up a greeter or startx from some other run level. It looks for the instance of the X server itself. >> Also, X typically listens on port 6000 locally. Not unless you TELL it to. It will listen on local Unix domain ports, but not TCP/IP. > Just run runlevel and it will return what runlevel is currently being > run in the second response, i.e: on boot, it will show N 5 or N 3 for X > or text depending on what's in /etc/inittab on the initdefault line. > > Now then, that doesn't handle startx, but how many times might that > actually happen. On my servers, there's no CRT/LCD, so no user will be > running startx. They might run vncserver, however, and use an X display > remotely. But, they better not leave it in that state, else that will be > disabled for them. All the users in my network have Linux PCs anyway, > and have no reason to be on the server unless they are editing a web > page, but then they can use fish:// in Konqueror or sftp:/// in > Nautilus. > > I suspect I've confused more than helped, but ask away and someone > smarter than me will respond. The shell snippet I provided ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - I.R.S.: We've got what it takes to take what you've got! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From karlp at ourldsfamily.com Wed Feb 11 01:41:21 2009 From: karlp at ourldsfamily.com (Karl Pearson) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:41:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> Message-ID: <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> On Tue, February 10, 2009 11:30 am, Rick Stevens wrote: > Karl Pearson wrote: >> On Mon, February 9, 2009 3:25 pm, Ray Van Dolson wrote: >>> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 02:21:24PM -0800, redhat at buglecreek.com >>> wrote: >>>> I'm am writing a script that sets some various security settings on >>>> Redhat Boxes. I would like to try to determine if a gui may be >>>> running >>>> on the box the script is run on. If so, I would echo some >>>> additional >>>> text to stdout that instructs the user that they may required to >>>> manually perform some additional settings manually. Things having >>>> to >>>> do >>>> with screen savers. Anyway, I thought about the following: >>>> >>>> 1. use the runlevel command or who -r to see if the system is in >>>> runlevel 5. This seems flawed since the box may have been started >>>> in >>>> runlevel 3 and the startx command may have been used. The commands >>>> would >>>> show runlevel 3. >>>> 2. Check if the environment variable DISPLAY is set. If so, seems >>>> like >>>> there is a good chance that they are running a gui. (maybe) >> >> DISPLAY is set by the user's login process, so it would be empty for a >> cron job. >> >>>> Is there a better way to check this that anyone can think of? >>> Would it be sufficient for your needs to check is the X process is >>> running? >>> >>> Theoretically, there is probably some way to interact with a running >>> X >>> server directly from a script (even if you're not in control of its >>> terminal) to determine if it's running. > > The easiest way is a small shell script: > > #!/bin/bash > RES=`ps ax | grep -v grep | grep -i xorg` > if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then > echo X is running > else > echo X is NOT running > fi > > (substitute the name of your X server for "xorg" if you're not running > XOrg). On top of that, $RES will be empty if X isn't running, and will > contain the line from "ps ax" describing it if X is running. > > This should work regardless of if the machine starts X by going into run > level 5 and firing up a greeter or startx from some other run level. It > looks for the instance of the X server itself. > >>> Also, X typically listens on port 6000 locally. > > Not unless you TELL it to. It will listen on local Unix domain ports, > but not TCP/IP. > >> Just run runlevel and it will return what runlevel is currently being >> run in the second response, i.e: on boot, it will show N 5 or N 3 for >> X >> or text depending on what's in /etc/inittab on the initdefault line. >> >> Now then, that doesn't handle startx, but how many times might that >> actually happen. On my servers, there's no CRT/LCD, so no user will be >> running startx. They might run vncserver, however, and use an X >> display >> remotely. But, they better not leave it in that state, else that will >> be >> disabled for them. All the users in my network have Linux PCs anyway, >> and have no reason to be on the server unless they are editing a web >> page, but then they can use fish:// in Konqueror or sftp:/// in >> Nautilus. >> >> I suspect I've confused more than helped, but ask away and someone >> smarter than me will respond. > > The shell snippet I provided HA! I knew you thought you were smarter than me! I knew you were too, by the way... :) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - I.R.S.: We've got what it takes to take what you've got! - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > --- Karl Pearson Karlp at ourldsfamily.com Owner/Administrator of the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- From ricks at nerd.com Wed Feb 11 17:44:19 2009 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:44:19 -0800 Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> Message-ID: <49930E73.9080009@nerd.com> Karl Pearson wrote: > On Tue, February 10, 2009 11:30 am, Rick Stevens wrote: >> Karl Pearson wrote: >>> On Mon, February 9, 2009 3:25 pm, Ray Van Dolson wrote: >>>> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 02:21:24PM -0800, redhat at buglecreek.com >>>> wrote: >>>>> I'm am writing a script that sets some various security settings on >>>>> Redhat Boxes. I would like to try to determine if a gui may be >>>>> running >>>>> on the box the script is run on. If so, I would echo some >>>>> additional >>>>> text to stdout that instructs the user that they may required to >>>>> manually perform some additional settings manually. Things having >>>>> to >>>>> do >>>>> with screen savers. Anyway, I thought about the following: >>>>> >>>>> 1. use the runlevel command or who -r to see if the system is in >>>>> runlevel 5. This seems flawed since the box may have been started >>>>> in >>>>> runlevel 3 and the startx command may have been used. The commands >>>>> would >>>>> show runlevel 3. >>>>> 2. Check if the environment variable DISPLAY is set. If so, seems >>>>> like >>>>> there is a good chance that they are running a gui. (maybe) >>> DISPLAY is set by the user's login process, so it would be empty for a >>> cron job. >>> >>>>> Is there a better way to check this that anyone can think of? >>>> Would it be sufficient for your needs to check is the X process is >>>> running? >>>> >>>> Theoretically, there is probably some way to interact with a running >>>> X >>>> server directly from a script (even if you're not in control of its >>>> terminal) to determine if it's running. >> The easiest way is a small shell script: >> >> #!/bin/bash >> RES=`ps ax | grep -v grep | grep -i xorg` >> if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then >> echo X is running >> else >> echo X is NOT running >> fi >> >> (substitute the name of your X server for "xorg" if you're not running >> XOrg). On top of that, $RES will be empty if X isn't running, and will >> contain the line from "ps ax" describing it if X is running. >> >> This should work regardless of if the machine starts X by going into run >> level 5 and firing up a greeter or startx from some other run level. It >> looks for the instance of the X server itself. >> >>>> Also, X typically listens on port 6000 locally. >> Not unless you TELL it to. It will listen on local Unix domain ports, >> but not TCP/IP. >> >>> I suspect I've confused more than helped, but ask away and someone >>> smarter than me will respond. >> The shell snippet I provided > > HA! I knew you thought you were smarter than me! I knew you were too, by > the way... :) Not really, just been doing this stuff for over 30 years. SOMETHING'S gotta rub off! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - If it's stupid and it works...it ain't stupid! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From karlp at ourldsfamily.com Thu Feb 12 06:20:37 2009 From: karlp at ourldsfamily.com (Karl Pearson) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:20:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <49930E73.9080009@nerd.com> References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <49930E73.9080009@nerd.com> Message-ID: <533aa3d06d96dcab44335975d5e5d3a7.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> On Wed, February 11, 2009 10:44 am, Rick Stevens wrote: > Karl Pearson wrote: >> On Tue, February 10, 2009 11:30 am, Rick Stevens wrote: >>> Karl Pearson wrote: >>>> On Mon, February 9, 2009 3:25 pm, Ray Van Dolson wrote: <<< Stuff deleted >>> >>>> I suspect I've confused more than helped, but ask away and someone >>>> smarter than me will respond. >>> The shell snippet I provided >> >> HA! I knew you thought you were smarter than me! I knew you were too, >> by >> the way... :) > > Not really, just been doing this stuff for over 30 years. SOMETHING'S > gotta rub off! I'm really hoping it will begin to rub off on me... I've been doing this, though not as intensely as you, for about 23 years. Karl Pearson Owner/Administrator, the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com karlp at ourldsfamily.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - If it's stupid and it works...it ain't stupid! - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > --- Karl Pearson Karlp at ourldsfamily.com Owner/Administrator of the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- From ricks at nerd.com Thu Feb 12 18:17:34 2009 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:17:34 -0800 Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <533aa3d06d96dcab44335975d5e5d3a7.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <49930E73.9080009@nerd.com> <533aa3d06d96dcab44335975d5e5d3a7.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> Message-ID: <499467BE.9000305@nerd.com> Karl Pearson wrote: > On Wed, February 11, 2009 10:44 am, Rick Stevens wrote: >> Karl Pearson wrote: >>> On Tue, February 10, 2009 11:30 am, Rick Stevens wrote: >>>> Karl Pearson wrote: >>>>> On Mon, February 9, 2009 3:25 pm, Ray Van Dolson wrote: > <<< Stuff deleted >>> >>>>> I suspect I've confused more than helped, but ask away and someone >>>>> smarter than me will respond. >>>> The shell snippet I provided >>> HA! I knew you thought you were smarter than me! I knew you were too, >>> by >>> the way... :) >> Not really, just been doing this stuff for over 30 years. SOMETHING'S >> gotta rub off! > > I'm really hoping it will begin to rub off on me... I've been doing > this, though not as intensely as you, for about 23 years. It helps if you're abrasive and "prickly", like me. You find you also have to remove lots of lint and other things that stick to you. :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick "Hedgehog" Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - The gene pool could use a little chlorine. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From karlp at ourldsfamily.com Thu Feb 12 20:01:04 2009 From: karlp at ourldsfamily.com (Karl Pearson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:01:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <499467BE.9000305@nerd.com> References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <49930E73.9080009@nerd.com> <533aa3d06d96dcab44335975d5e5d3a7.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <499467BE.9000305@nerd.com> Message-ID: <9963fbf2a85711a2b35e76a2c9acddec.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> On Thu, February 12, 2009 11:17 am, Rick Stevens wrote: > Karl Pearson wrote: >> On Wed, February 11, 2009 10:44 am, Rick Stevens wrote: >>> Karl Pearson wrote: >>>> On Tue, February 10, 2009 11:30 am, Rick Stevens wrote: >>>>> Karl Pearson wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, February 9, 2009 3:25 pm, Ray Van Dolson wrote: >> <<< Stuff deleted >>> >>>>>> I suspect I've confused more than helped, but ask away and someone >>>>>> smarter than me will respond. >>>>> The shell snippet I provided >>>> HA! I knew you thought you were smarter than me! I knew you were >>>> too, >>>> by >>>> the way... :) >>> Not really, just been doing this stuff for over 30 years. >>> SOMETHING'S >>> gotta rub off! >> >> I'm really hoping it will begin to rub off on me... I've been doing >> this, though not as intensely as you, for about 23 years. > > It helps if you're abrasive and "prickly", like me. You find you also > have to remove lots of lint and other things that stick to you. :-) I'll have to remember that. Hedgehog is better than porcupine then, huh? Thinking about likening IT folks to different animals, why is it that one that comes to mind is 'skunk'? Karl > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick "Hedgehog" Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - The gene pool could use a little chlorine. - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > --- Karl Pearson Karlp at ourldsfamily.com Owner/Administrator of the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- From jreyn at us.ibm.com Thu Feb 12 20:53:51 2009 From: jreyn at us.ibm.com (John Reynolds) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:53:51 -0800 Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <9963fbf2a85711a2b35e76a2c9acddec.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <49930E73.9080009@nerd.com> <533aa3d06d96dcab44335975d5e5d3a7.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <499467BE.9000305@nerd.com> <9963fbf2a85711a2b35e76a2c9acddec.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> Message-ID: Karl Pearson wrote on 02/12/2009 12:01:04 PM: > > On Thu, February 12, 2009 11:17 am, Rick Stevens wrote: > > Karl Pearson wrote: > >> On Wed, February 11, 2009 10:44 am, Rick Stevens wrote: > >>> Karl Pearson wrote: > >>>> On Tue, February 10, 2009 11:30 am, Rick Stevens wrote: > >>>>> Karl Pearson wrote: > >>>>>> On Mon, February 9, 2009 3:25 pm, Ray Van Dolson wrote: > >> <<< Stuff deleted >>> > >>>>>> I suspect I've confused more than helped, but ask away and someone > >>>>>> smarter than me will respond. > >>>>> The shell snippet I provided > >>>> HA! I knew you thought you were smarter than me! I knew you were > >>>> too, > >>>> by > >>>> the way... :) > >>> Not really, just been doing this stuff for over 30 years. > >>> SOMETHING'S > >>> gotta rub off! > >> > >> I'm really hoping it will begin to rub off on me... I've been doing > >> this, though not as intensely as you, for about 23 years. > > > > It helps if you're abrasive and "prickly", like me. You find you also > > have to remove lots of lint and other things that stick to you. :-) > > I'll have to remember that. Hedgehog is better than porcupine then, huh? > Thinking about likening IT folks to different animals, why is it that > one that comes to mind is 'skunk'? > We're the ones constantly being badgered. John R -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpotter at techmarin.com Thu Feb 12 20:58:40 2009 From: tpotter at techmarin.com (Ted Potter) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:58:40 -0800 Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <49930E73.9080009@nerd.com> <533aa3d06d96dcab44335975d5e5d3a7.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <499467BE.9000305@nerd.com> <9963fbf2a85711a2b35e76a2c9acddec.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> Message-ID: <5ce05200902121258h4f6e936dp8e44cc1c2495eb07@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/12 John Reynolds > > > Karl Pearson wrote on 02/12/2009 12:01:04 PM: > > > > > On Thu, February 12, 2009 11:17 am, Rick Stevens wrote: > > > Karl Pearson wrote: > > >> On Wed, February 11, 2009 10:44 am, Rick Stevens wrote: > > >>> Karl Pearson wrote: > > >>>> On Tue, February 10, 2009 11:30 am, Rick Stevens wrote: > > >>>>> Karl Pearson wrote: > > >>>>>> On Mon, February 9, 2009 3:25 pm, Ray Van Dolson wrote: > > >> <<< Stuff deleted >>> > > >>>>>> I suspect I've confused more than helped, but ask away and someone > > >>>>>> smarter than me will respond. > > >>>>> The shell snippet I provided > > >>>> HA! I knew you thought you were smarter than me! I knew you were > > >>>> too, > > >>>> by > > >>>> the way... :) > > >>> Not really, just been doing this stuff for over 30 years. > > >>> SOMETHING'S > > >>> gotta rub off! > > >> > > >> I'm really hoping it will begin to rub off on me... I've been doing > > >> this, though not as intensely as you, for about 23 years. > > > > > > It helps if you're abrasive and "prickly", like me. You find you also > > > have to remove lots of lint and other things that stick to you. :-) > > > > I'll have to remember that. Hedgehog is better than porcupine then, huh? > > Thinking about likening IT folks to different animals, why is it that > > one that comes to mind is 'skunk'? > > > We're the ones constantly being badgered. Not me ! I am The Weasel !! > > > John R > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > -- Ted Potter tpotter at techmarin.com Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it. - Albert Einstein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinz at kinz.org Thu Feb 12 21:31:38 2009 From: jkinz at kinz.org (jkinz at kinz.org) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:31:38 -0500 Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <9963fbf2a85711a2b35e76a2c9acddec.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <49930E73.9080009@nerd.com> <533aa3d06d96dcab44335975d5e5d3a7.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <499467BE.9000305@nerd.com> <9963fbf2a85711a2b35e76a2c9acddec.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> Message-ID: <20090212213138.GF26952@redline.kinz.org> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 01:01:04PM -0700, Karl Pearson wrote: > > On Thu, February 12, 2009 11:17 am, Rick Stevens wrote: > > Karl Pearson wrote: > >> On Wed, February 11, 2009 10:44 am, Rick Stevens wrote: > >>> Karl Pearson wrote: > >>>> On Tue, February 10, 2009 11:30 am, Rick Stevens wrote: > >>>>> Karl Pearson wrote: ................................................... > >>> Not really, just been doing this stuff for over 30 years. > >>> SOMETHING'S > >>> gotta rub off! > >> > >> I'm really hoping it will begin to rub off on me... I've been doing > >> this, though not as intensely as you, for about 23 years. > > > > It helps if you're abrasive and "prickly", like me. You find you also > > have to remove lots of lint and other things that stick to you. :-) > > I'll have to remember that. Hedgehog is better than porcupine then, huh? > Thinking about likening IT folks to different animals, why is it that > one that comes to mind is 'skunk'? IT bathing habits? :) JK -- "Funniest signatures series": (found posted to a public email list) IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. From ricks at nerd.com Thu Feb 12 22:25:17 2009 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:25:17 -0800 Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <5ce05200902121258h4f6e936dp8e44cc1c2495eb07@mail.gmail.com> References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <49930E73.9080009@nerd.com> <533aa3d06d96dcab44335975d5e5d3a7.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <499467BE.9000305@nerd.com> <9963fbf2a85711a2b35e76a2c9acddec.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <5ce05200902121258h4f6e936dp8e44cc1c2495eb07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4994A1CD.4010308@nerd.com> Ted Potter wrote: > 2009/2/12 John Reynolds > >> >> Karl Pearson wrote on 02/12/2009 12:01:04 PM: >> >>> On Thu, February 12, 2009 11:17 am, Rick Stevens wrote: >>>> Karl Pearson wrote: >>>>> On Wed, February 11, 2009 10:44 am, Rick Stevens wrote: >>>>>> Karl Pearson wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, February 10, 2009 11:30 am, Rick Stevens wrote: >>>>>>>> Karl Pearson wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, February 9, 2009 3:25 pm, Ray Van Dolson wrote: >>>>> <<< Stuff deleted >>> >>>>>>>>> I suspect I've confused more than helped, but ask away and someone >>>>>>>>> smarter than me will respond. >>>>>>>> The shell snippet I provided >>>>>>> HA! I knew you thought you were smarter than me! I knew you were >>>>>>> too, >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> the way... :) >>>>>> Not really, just been doing this stuff for over 30 years. >>>>>> SOMETHING'S >>>>>> gotta rub off! >>>>> I'm really hoping it will begin to rub off on me... I've been doing >>>>> this, though not as intensely as you, for about 23 years. >>>> It helps if you're abrasive and "prickly", like me. You find you also >>>> have to remove lots of lint and other things that stick to you. :-) >>> I'll have to remember that. Hedgehog is better than porcupine then, huh? >>> Thinking about likening IT folks to different animals, why is it that >>> one that comes to mind is 'skunk'? >>> >> We're the ones constantly being badgered. > > > Not me ! I am The Weasel !! Ok, so I'm the "The Hedgehog", Karl's "The Skunk", Ted's "The Weasel", and Jeff's afraid of water so we'll call him "The Reeker". Gee, we all have nicknames that could get us into the mob if we wanted! "Yeah, so youse wan' dat RPM rubbed out, real quiet-like? Ted 'The Weasel' can do it. He'll make it look like an accident." I have a DBA friend who calls himself "ChiaBrit" or "Shrek". His hair does make him look a bit like a Chia pet. He's also a BIG guy and his ears are kinda weird--probably from playing Rugby. Only problem is that he's a Brit, not a Scot. He does do a "right good" imitation of Cartman from South Park. "I'm not fat! I'm big boned!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - When in doubt, mumble. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From ricks at nerd.com Thu Feb 12 22:27:06 2009 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:27:06 -0800 Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <5ce05200902121258h4f6e936dp8e44cc1c2495eb07@mail.gmail.com> References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090209222553.GA4794@esri.com> <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <49930E73.9080009@nerd.com> <533aa3d06d96dcab44335975d5e5d3a7.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <499467BE.9000305@nerd.com> <9963fbf2a85711a2b35e76a2c9acddec.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <5ce05200902121258h4f6e936dp8e44cc1c2495eb07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4994A23A.6090503@nerd.com> Sorry, forgot that John's "The Badger". I don't want to make a member of the RHIL Mafia mad at me! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Grabel's Law: 2 is not equal to 3--not even for large values of 2. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From tpotter at techmarin.com Thu Feb 12 23:55:13 2009 From: tpotter at techmarin.com (Ted Potter) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:55:13 -0800 Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <4994A23A.6090503@nerd.com> References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <49930E73.9080009@nerd.com> <533aa3d06d96dcab44335975d5e5d3a7.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <499467BE.9000305@nerd.com> <9963fbf2a85711a2b35e76a2c9acddec.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <5ce05200902121258h4f6e936dp8e44cc1c2495eb07@mail.gmail.com> <4994A23A.6090503@nerd.com> Message-ID: <5ce05200902121555i3947f0dbn78d5e7f8af5f0f0c@mail.gmail.com> so of course grouped together we become the cyberspace/IT Rat Pack ? On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > Sorry, forgot that John's "The Badger". I don't want to make a member > of the RHIL Mafia mad at me! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - Grabel's Law: 2 is not equal to 3--not even for large values of 2. - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > -- Ted Potter tpotter at techmarin.com Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it. - Albert Einstein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricks at nerd.com Fri Feb 13 00:05:27 2009 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:05:27 -0800 Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <5ce05200902121555i3947f0dbn78d5e7f8af5f0f0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1234218084.31136.1299437605@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <49930E73.9080009@nerd.com> <533aa3d06d96dcab44335975d5e5d3a7.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <499467BE.9000305@nerd.com> <9963fbf2a85711a2b35e76a2c9acddec.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <5ce05200902121258h4f6e936dp8e44cc1c2495eb07@mail.gmail.com> <4994A23A.6090503@nerd.com> <5ce05200902121555i3947f0dbn78d5e7f8af5f0f0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4994B947.6000208@nerd.com> Ted Potter wrote: > so of course grouped together we become the cyberspace/IT Rat Pack ? Hadn't thought of it like that, but with the exception of Jeff "The Reeker" Kinz, aren't all of the animals rodents? If that's the case, yeah, "Rat Pack" may be a good idea. Brings a new meaning to RPM, doesn't it? "Rat Pack Manipulator" or something like that. Oh, man, it must be getting late! I'm getting punchy! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - First Law of Work: - - If you can't get it done in the first 24 hours, work nights. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bret_stern at machinemanagement.com Fri Feb 13 03:31:47 2009 From: bret_stern at machinemanagement.com (Bret) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:31:47 -0800 Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <4994B947.6000208@nerd.com> Message-ID: <200902130358.n1D3wWW7020196@mx3.redhat.com> Easy there fella's..by the way did you determine if X was running?? There's nothin worse than a bad X. badda-bing > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of > Rick Stevens > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:05 PM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: Determine if x is running > > Ted Potter wrote: > > so of course grouped together we become the cyberspace/IT Rat Pack ? > > Hadn't thought of it like that, but with the exception of > Jeff "The Reeker" Kinz, aren't all of the animals rodents? > If that's the case, yeah, "Rat Pack" may be a good idea. > Brings a new meaning to RPM, doesn't it? "Rat Pack > Manipulator" or something like that. > > Oh, man, it must be getting late! I'm getting punchy! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - First Law of Work: - > - If you can't get it done in the first 24 hours, work nights. - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe From jkinz at kinz.org Fri Feb 13 21:00:55 2009 From: jkinz at kinz.org (jkinz at kinz.org) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:00:55 -0500 Subject: Determine if x is running In-Reply-To: <4994A1CD.4010308@nerd.com> References: <4991C7DF.2040001@nerd.com> <2ebdccde3c7da7d437517a2e804570d5.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <49930E73.9080009@nerd.com> <533aa3d06d96dcab44335975d5e5d3a7.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <499467BE.9000305@nerd.com> <9963fbf2a85711a2b35e76a2c9acddec.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <5ce05200902121258h4f6e936dp8e44cc1c2495eb07@mail.gmail.com> <4994A1CD.4010308@nerd.com> Message-ID: <20090213210055.GA2739@redline.kinz.org> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 02:25:17PM -0800, Rick Stevens wrote: > Ok, so I'm the "The Hedgehog", Karl's "The Skunk", Ted's "The Weasel", > and Jeff's afraid of water so we'll call him "The Reeker". Gee, we all Hey!,Wait - i wasn't talking about me!.... (dang too late..... -- "Funniest signatures series": (found posted to a public email list) IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. From brkittycat at verizon.net Mon Feb 23 20:56:15 2009 From: brkittycat at verizon.net (Brenda Radford) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:56:15 -0500 Subject: New Monitor Message-ID: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> I got a new monitor and I have been using it with my Windows box, but today I tried to hook it up to my Red Hat box with no luck. What do I have to do to get the monitor working with Red Hat? Thanks in advance -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob at bobcatos.com Mon Feb 23 21:17:51 2009 From: bob at bobcatos.com (Bob McClure Jr) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:17:51 -0600 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> Message-ID: <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 03:56:15PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: > I got a new monitor and I have been using it with my Windows box, but today > I tried to hook it up to my Red Hat box with no luck. What do I have to do > to get the monitor working with Red Hat? I presume you see most of the booting process and when it finishes booting, you get a blank or badly garbled screen. At that point do a Ctrl-Alt-F1. That should put you in a text screen with a login prompt. Log in as root. Then run system-config-display It should figure out what your monitor is and come up with an acceptable set of choices for resolution, defaulting to the highest available. If the best it can come up with is 800x600, then it probably can't figure out what your monitor is. In that case, click on the "Hardware" tab. If, for monitor, it says "unknown", hit the "Configure" button to hand-enter either your monitor make and model, or the best description you can find like "Generic LCD 1024x768". If everything is fine, hit OK to exit back to the text mode. Then hit Ctrl-D to terminate the login. Then hit Alt-F7 to return to what should be the GUI. If it's still blank or blitzed, hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart the X server, or, if worse comes to worst, reboot. Let us know if that doesn't do it. > Thanks in advance Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13 (NIV) From brkittycat at verizon.net Tue Feb 24 00:40:41 2009 From: brkittycat at verizon.net (Brenda Radford) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:40:41 -0500 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> Message-ID: <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> I think I am in trouble already because I am top posting, but blame it on Windows. When I turn the Red Hat box on with the new monitor hooked up, I get the motherboard splash screen and then the screen goes blank. I do not see any of the text I am supposed to see when the computer is booting up. Does that change your answer of what to try to do? I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 with no results on the screen. I should have given more detail when I asked the question. Thanks, Bob, what do I do now? -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:18 PM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: New Monitor On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 03:56:15PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: > I got a new monitor and I have been using it with my Windows box, but today > I tried to hook it up to my Red Hat box with no luck. What do I have to do > to get the monitor working with Red Hat? I presume you see most of the booting process and when it finishes booting, you get a blank or badly garbled screen. At that point do a Ctrl-Alt-F1. That should put you in a text screen with a login prompt. Log in as root. Then run system-config-display It should figure out what your monitor is and come up with an acceptable set of choices for resolution, defaulting to the highest available. If the best it can come up with is 800x600, then it probably can't figure out what your monitor is. In that case, click on the "Hardware" tab. If, for monitor, it says "unknown", hit the "Configure" button to hand-enter either your monitor make and model, or the best description you can find like "Generic LCD 1024x768". If everything is fine, hit OK to exit back to the text mode. Then hit Ctrl-D to terminate the login. Then hit Alt-F7 to return to what should be the GUI. If it's still blank or blitzed, hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart the X server, or, if worse comes to worst, reboot. Let us know if that doesn't do it. > Thanks in advance Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13 (NIV) _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe From jayeola at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 00:59:19 2009 From: jayeola at gmail.com (john maclean) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:59:19 +0000 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> Message-ID: <4170c1720902231659r74c625ebubec3ec189169cbef@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/24 Brenda Radford : > I think I am in trouble already because I am top posting, but blame it on > Windows. > > When I turn the Red Hat box on with the new monitor hooked up, I get the > motherboard splash screen and then the screen goes blank. I do not see any > of the text I am supposed to see when the computer is booting up. > > Does that change your answer of what to try to do? I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 with > no results on the screen. > > I should have given more detail when I asked the question. > > Thanks, Bob, what do I do now? > > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:18 PM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: New Monitor > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 03:56:15PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: >> I got a new monitor and I have been using it with my Windows box, but > today >> I tried to hook it up to my Red Hat box with no luck. What do I have to do >> to get the monitor working with Red Hat? > > I presume you see most of the booting process and when it finishes > booting, you get a blank or badly garbled screen. At that point do a > Ctrl-Alt-F1. That should put you in a text screen with a login > prompt. Log in as root. Then run > > system-config-display > > It should figure out what your monitor is and come up with an > acceptable set of choices for resolution, defaulting to the highest > available. > > If the best it can come up with is 800x600, then it probably can't > figure out what your monitor is. In that case, click on the > "Hardware" tab. If, for monitor, it says "unknown", hit the > "Configure" button to hand-enter either your monitor make and model, > or the best description you can find like "Generic LCD 1024x768". > > If everything is fine, hit OK to exit back to the text mode. Then hit > Ctrl-D to terminate the login. Then hit Alt-F7 to return to what > should be the GUI. If it's still blank or blitzed, hit > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart the X server, or, if worse comes to > worst, reboot. > > Let us know if that doesn't do it. > >> Thanks in advance > > Cheers, > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. > bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com > Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his > friends. John 15:13 (NIV) > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > Silly question but do you have another monitor that you could hook up to this box just to confirm that it can send ouput to "something"? -- John Maclean 07739 171 531 MSc (DIC) Timezone: GMT From tpotter at techmarin.com Tue Feb 24 01:03:35 2009 From: tpotter at techmarin.com (Ted Potter) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:03:35 -0800 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <4170c1720902231659r74c625ebubec3ec189169cbef@mail.gmail.com> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <4170c1720902231659r74c625ebubec3ec189169cbef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ce05200902231703g34a38bb2j84cd00899a3c68e1@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:59 PM, john maclean wrote: > 2009/2/24 Brenda Radford : > > I think I am in trouble already because I am top posting, but blame it on > > Windows. > > > > When I turn the Red Hat box on with the new monitor hooked up, I get the > > motherboard splash screen and then the screen goes blank. I do not see > any > > of the text I am supposed to see when the computer is booting up. > > > > Does that change your answer of what to try to do? I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 > with > > no results on the screen. > > > > I should have given more detail when I asked the question. > > > > Thanks, Bob, what do I do now? > sounds more like a DOA to me. What leads you to think the OS is loading ? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure > Jr > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:18 PM > > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > > Subject: Re: New Monitor > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 03:56:15PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: > >> I got a new monitor and I have been using it with my Windows box, but > > today > >> I tried to hook it up to my Red Hat box with no luck. What do I have to > do > >> to get the monitor working with Red Hat? > > > > I presume you see most of the booting process and when it finishes > > booting, you get a blank or badly garbled screen. At that point do a > > Ctrl-Alt-F1. That should put you in a text screen with a login > > prompt. Log in as root. Then run > > > > system-config-display > > > > It should figure out what your monitor is and come up with an > > acceptable set of choices for resolution, defaulting to the highest > > available. > > > > If the best it can come up with is 800x600, then it probably can't > > figure out what your monitor is. In that case, click on the > > "Hardware" tab. If, for monitor, it says "unknown", hit the > > "Configure" button to hand-enter either your monitor make and model, > > or the best description you can find like "Generic LCD 1024x768". > > > > If everything is fine, hit OK to exit back to the text mode. Then hit > > Ctrl-D to terminate the login. Then hit Alt-F7 to return to what > > should be the GUI. If it's still blank or blitzed, hit > > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart the X server, or, if worse comes to > > worst, reboot. > > > > Let us know if that doesn't do it. > > > >> Thanks in advance > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. > > bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com > > Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his > > friends. John 15:13 (NIV) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Redhat-install-list mailing list > > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > > Subject: unsubscribe > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Redhat-install-list mailing list > > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > > Subject: unsubscribe > > > > > Silly question but do you have another monitor that you could hook up > to this box just to confirm that it can send ouput to "something"? > > -- > John Maclean > 07739 171 531 > MSc (DIC) > > Timezone: GMT > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > -- Ted Potter tpotter at techmarin.com Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it. - Albert Einstein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karlp at ourldsfamily.com Tue Feb 24 01:55:09 2009 From: karlp at ourldsfamily.com (Karl Pearson) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:55:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <5ce05200902231703g34a38bb2j84cd00899a3c68e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <4170c1720902231659r74c625ebubec3ec189169cbef@mail.gmail.com> <5ce05200902231703g34a38bb2j84cd00899a3c68e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ad09c1cf84ee2d15c387de8c4cdca48.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> On Mon, February 23, 2009 6:03 pm, Ted Potter wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:59 PM, john maclean wrote: > >> 2009/2/24 Brenda Radford : >> > I think I am in trouble already because I am top posting, but blame >> it on >> > Windows. >> > >> > When I turn the Red Hat box on with the new monitor hooked up, I get >> the >> > motherboard splash screen and then the screen goes blank. I do not >> see >> any >> > of the text I am supposed to see when the computer is booting up. >> > >> > Does that change your answer of what to try to do? I tried >> Ctrl-Alt-F1 >> with >> > no results on the screen. >> > >> > I should have given more detail when I asked the question. >> > >> > Thanks, Bob, what do I do now? >> > > sounds more like a DOA to me. What leads you to think the OS is loading > ? Nope, sounds like the video card has 2 outputs and it's on the wrong one. Just a guess. I've seen hardware output go to one port, and OS output go to the other one a couple times. Usually on ATI cards, however. (love nVidia, personally) Karl > > > > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com >> > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob >> McClure >> Jr >> > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:18 PM >> > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux >> > Subject: Re: New Monitor >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 03:56:15PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: >> >> I got a new monitor and I have been using it with my Windows box, >> but >> > today >> >> I tried to hook it up to my Red Hat box with no luck. What do I >> have to >> do >> >> to get the monitor working with Red Hat? >> > >> > I presume you see most of the booting process and when it finishes >> > booting, you get a blank or badly garbled screen. At that point do >> a >> > Ctrl-Alt-F1. That should put you in a text screen with a login >> > prompt. Log in as root. Then run >> > >> > system-config-display >> > >> > It should figure out what your monitor is and come up with an >> > acceptable set of choices for resolution, defaulting to the highest >> > available. >> > >> > If the best it can come up with is 800x600, then it probably can't >> > figure out what your monitor is. In that case, click on the >> > "Hardware" tab. If, for monitor, it says "unknown", hit the >> > "Configure" button to hand-enter either your monitor make and model, >> > or the best description you can find like "Generic LCD 1024x768". >> > >> > If everything is fine, hit OK to exit back to the text mode. Then >> hit >> > Ctrl-D to terminate the login. Then hit Alt-F7 to return to what >> > should be the GUI. If it's still blank or blitzed, hit >> > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart the X server, or, if worse comes to >> > worst, reboot. >> > >> > Let us know if that doesn't do it. >> > >> >> Thanks in advance >> > >> > Cheers, >> > -- >> > Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. >> > bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com >> > Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his >> > friends. John 15:13 (NIV) >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Redhat-install-list mailing list >> > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list >> > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: >> > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com >> > Subject: unsubscribe >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Redhat-install-list mailing list >> > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list >> > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: >> > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com >> > Subject: unsubscribe >> > >> >> >> Silly question but do you have another monitor that you could hook up >> to this box just to confirm that it can send ouput to "something"? >> >> -- >> John Maclean >> 07739 171 531 >> MSc (DIC) >> >> Timezone: GMT >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Redhat-install-list mailing list >> Redhat-install-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list >> To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: >> redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com >> Subject: unsubscribe >> > > > > -- > Ted Potter > tpotter at techmarin.com > Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it. - > Albert > Einstein > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe --- Karl Pearson Karlp at ourldsfamily.com Owner/Administrator of the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- From ricks at nerd.com Tue Feb 24 01:43:04 2009 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:43:04 -0800 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> Message-ID: <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> Brenda Radford wrote: > I think I am in trouble already because I am top posting, but blame it on > Windows. > > When I turn the Red Hat box on with the new monitor hooked up, I get the > motherboard splash screen and then the screen goes blank. I do not see any > of the text I am supposed to see when the computer is booting up. > > Does that change your answer of what to try to do? I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 with > no results on the screen. > > I should have given more detail when I asked the question. We need a bit more data: What version of Red Hat are you running? What monitor is it? (make and model) Try booting in text only mode and see if it comes up. If you don't know how to do that, let us know, but also tell us the info above. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - This message printed using recycled bandwidth - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From brkittycat at verizon.net Tue Feb 24 02:42:24 2009 From: brkittycat at verizon.net (Brenda Radford) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:42:24 -0500 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> Message-ID: <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> I am running RHEL AS 4 U5. It is an Acer H213H new-fangled monitor (it's huge). The video card is an ATI Radeon 9250. I have tried hooking it up with a VGA cable and a DVI cable. It made no difference. I tried hooking it up to a VGA monitor. The floppy disk light came on and stayed on, so I unplugged the floppy drive and disabled it in the BIOS. I got some text display on the VGA monitor related to the BIOS only. No Red Hat text of any kind I do not know how to boot up in text only mode. You will have to tell me how to do that I hope it is not DOA. It was working a couple of months ago. I did not have the money to renew my Red Hat Academic subscription until today, and I was hoping to get the box updated. Thanks to all you guys; I hope I answered all your questions. I love this install list. -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stevens Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:43 PM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: New Monitor Brenda Radford wrote: > I think I am in trouble already because I am top posting, but blame it on > Windows. > > When I turn the Red Hat box on with the new monitor hooked up, I get the > motherboard splash screen and then the screen goes blank. I do not see any > of the text I am supposed to see when the computer is booting up. > > Does that change your answer of what to try to do? I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 with > no results on the screen. > > I should have given more detail when I asked the question. We need a bit more data: What version of Red Hat are you running? What monitor is it? (make and model) Try booting in text only mode and see if it comes up. If you don't know how to do that, let us know, but also tell us the info above. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - This message printed using recycled bandwidth - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe From bob at bobcatos.com Tue Feb 24 03:03:09 2009 From: bob at bobcatos.com (Bob McClure Jr) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:03:09 -0600 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> Message-ID: <20090224030309.GA15972@bobcat.bobcatos.com> As for top posting, I don't think you have to start your reply where MS leaves your cursor. Just arrow down to where you want to insert a reply, open up a line and start typing there. See also http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/bottom-posting.html On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 09:42:24PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: > I am running RHEL AS 4 U5. > It is an Acer H213H new-fangled monitor (it's huge). > The video card is an ATI Radeon 9250. > I have tried hooking it up with a VGA cable and a DVI cable. It made no > difference. > > I tried hooking it up to a VGA monitor. The floppy disk light came on and > stayed on, so I unplugged the floppy drive and disabled it in the BIOS. > I got some text display on the VGA monitor related to the BIOS only. No Red > Hat text of any kind Sounds like the hard drive or memory is not coming up. Does the machine do a single beep shortly after reset or power-on? If not, something's failing the POST (power-on self test). Power it off and get inside the box and pull and reseat memory sticks and any add-on cards. If it does beep, then POST is good. Hit Del or whatever is prescribed to get into the BIOS after the beep. Does the BIOS recognize the hard drive? If not, power down, open it up, and pull and reseat the cables that connect the hard drive(s) to the motherboard. Let us know how far you get. > I do not know how to boot up in text only mode. You will have to tell me how > to do that > > I hope it is not DOA. It was working a couple of months ago. I did not have > the money to renew my Red Hat Academic subscription until today, and I was > hoping to get the box updated. > > Thanks to all you guys; I hope I answered all your questions. I love this > install list. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stevens > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:43 PM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: New Monitor > > Brenda Radford wrote: > > I think I am in trouble already because I am top posting, but blame it on > > Windows. > > > > When I turn the Red Hat box on with the new monitor hooked up, I get the > > motherboard splash screen and then the screen goes blank. I do not see any > > of the text I am supposed to see when the computer is booting up. > > > > Does that change your answer of what to try to do? I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 > with > > no results on the screen. > > > > I should have given more detail when I asked the question. > > We need a bit more data: > What version of Red Hat are you running? > What monitor is it? (make and model) > > Try booting in text only mode and see if it comes up. If you don't know > how to do that, let us know, but also tell us the info above. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - This message printed using recycled bandwidth - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13 (NIV) From brkittycat at verizon.net Tue Feb 24 02:29:09 2009 From: brkittycat at verizon.net (Brenda Radford) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:29:09 -0500 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> Message-ID: I am running RHEL AS 4 U5. It is an Acer H213H new-fangled monitor (it's huge). The video card is an ATI Radeon 9250. I have tried hooking it up with a VGA cable and a DVI cable. It made no difference. I tried hooking it up to a VGA monitor. The floppy disk light came on and stayed on, so I unplugged the floppy drive and disabled it in the BIOS. I got some text display on the VGA monitor related to the BIOS only. No Red Hat text of any kind I do not know how to boot up in text only mode. You will have to tell me how to do that I hope it is not DOA. It was working a couple of months ago. I did not have the money to renew my Red Hat Academic subscription until today, and I was hoping to get the box updated. Thanks to all you guys; I hope I answered all your questions. I love this install list. -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stevens Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:43 PM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: New Monitor Brenda Radford wrote: > I think I am in trouble already because I am top posting, but blame it on > Windows. > > When I turn the Red Hat box on with the new monitor hooked up, I get the > motherboard splash screen and then the screen goes blank. I do not see any > of the text I am supposed to see when the computer is booting up. > > Does that change your answer of what to try to do? I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 with > no results on the screen. > > I should have given more detail when I asked the question. We need a bit more data: What version of Red Hat are you running? What monitor is it? (make and model) Try booting in text only mode and see if it comes up. If you don't know how to do that, let us know, but also tell us the info above. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - This message printed using recycled bandwidth - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe From tpotter at techmarin.com Tue Feb 24 06:13:25 2009 From: tpotter at techmarin.com (Ted Potter) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:13:25 -0800 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> Message-ID: <5ce05200902232213k3a8b3bacx946256b87cd2236b@mail.gmail.com> Corte On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Brenda Radford wrote: > I am running RHEL AS 4 U5. > It is an Acer H213H new-fangled monitor (it's huge). > The video card is an ATI Radeon 9250. > I have tried hooking it up with a VGA cable and a DVI cable. It made no > difference. > > I tried hooking it up to a VGA monitor. The floppy disk light came on and > stayed on, so I unplugged the floppy drive and disabled it in the BIOS. > I got some text display on the VGA monitor related to the BIOS only. No Red > Hat text of any kind > > I do not know how to boot up in text only mode. You will have to tell me > how > to do that > > I hope it is not DOA. It was working a couple of months ago. I did not have > the money to renew my Red Hat Academic subscription until today, and I was > hoping to get the box updated. > > Thanks to all you guys; I hope I answered all your questions. I love this > install list. > If you can see the bios then I would expect you should see the boot loader grub or whatever. The other idea would be to try and ping the machine if you know what the ip address is. Another idea - get a live boot cd/dvd and boot from that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stevens > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:43 PM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: New Monitor > > Brenda Radford wrote: > > I think I am in trouble already because I am top posting, but blame it on > > Windows. > > > > When I turn the Red Hat box on with the new monitor hooked up, I get the > > motherboard splash screen and then the screen goes blank. I do not see > any > > of the text I am supposed to see when the computer is booting up. > > > > Does that change your answer of what to try to do? I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 > with > > no results on the screen. > > > > I should have given more detail when I asked the question. > > We need a bit more data: > What version of Red Hat are you running? > What monitor is it? (make and model) > > Try booting in text only mode and see if it comes up. If you don't know > how to do that, let us know, but also tell us the info above. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - This message printed using recycled bandwidth - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > -- Ted Potter tpotter at techmarin.com Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it. - Albert Einstein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricks at nerd.com Tue Feb 24 17:30:03 2009 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:30:03 -0800 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <20090224030309.GA15972@bobcat.bobcatos.com> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> <20090224030309.GA15972@bobcat.bobcatos.com> Message-ID: <49A42E9B.8060000@nerd.com> Bob McClure Jr wrote: > As for top posting, I don't think you have to start your reply where > MS leaves your cursor. Just arrow down to where you want to insert a > reply, open up a line and start typing there. See also > > http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/bottom-posting.html > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 09:42:24PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: >> I am running RHEL AS 4 U5. >> It is an Acer H213H new-fangled monitor (it's huge). >> The video card is an ATI Radeon 9250. >> I have tried hooking it up with a VGA cable and a DVI cable. It made no >> difference. >> >> I tried hooking it up to a VGA monitor. The floppy disk light came on and >> stayed on, so I unplugged the floppy drive and disabled it in the BIOS. >> I got some text display on the VGA monitor related to the BIOS only. No Red >> Hat text of any kind > > Sounds like the hard drive or memory is not coming up. Does the > machine do a single beep shortly after reset or power-on? If not, > something's failing the POST (power-on self test). Power it off and > get inside the box and pull and reseat memory sticks and any add-on > cards. > > If it does beep, then POST is good. Hit Del or whatever is prescribed > to get into the BIOS after the beep. Does the BIOS recognize the hard > drive? If not, power down, open it up, and pull and reseat the cables > that connect the hard drive(s) to the motherboard. > > Let us know how far you get. If it does see the hard drive, you might want to try to reset the BIOS to its default settings. If the machine hasn't been fired up in a while, it is possible that some of the BIOS settings got glitched due to an old motherboard CMOS battery (that's a button-shaped battery on the motherboard that keeps the CMOS memory holding the BIOS settings alive when the machine's powered down). If that's the case, and once you get the machine up, you really need to replace that CMOS battery. > >> I do not know how to boot up in text only mode. You will have to tell me how >> to do that As to booting in text mode, it sounds complicated but it isn't: 1. Wait for the grub menu to come up, then press the spacebar. 2. Use the keyboard up and down arrow keys to highlight the kernel you want to boot (it's probably already selected). 3. Press "E" (for "Edit"). You'll be shown a couple of lines of text. 4. Use the up/down arrow keys to select the line that starts with the word "kernel". 5. Press "E" again and that line of text will be displayed for editing. 6. Press the "End" key on your keyboard or use the right arrow key to get to the end of the line. 7. Add " text" OR " 3" (that's a space and the word "text" OR a space and the digit "3") to the end of the line. Do NOT include the quotes. The end of the line should look something like: rhgb quiet text or rhgb quiet 3 8. Press the "ENTER" key to save the line. 9. Press "B" to boot the kernel with the changes. Note that these changes are only temporary and will work for THIS boot. If you reboot, you'll have to do this again. >> >> I hope it is not DOA. It was working a couple of months ago. I did not have >> the money to renew my Red Hat Academic subscription until today, and I was >> hoping to get the box updated. We'll get it sorted. It's difficult to diagnose remotely and on a mailing list to boot, but we've done far more arcane things here! :-) >> Thanks to all you guys; I hope I answered all your questions. I love this >> install list. If you could, Brenda, try not to top post. It makes following the logic of the messages difficult. It's better to place your comments and responses below what you're commenting on (as we try to do). Windows mail clients default to top posting, but nothing says you HAVE to put your response there. Just use the arrow keys to scroll down to where you want to put your comment and do it your way. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From tpotter at techmarin.com Tue Feb 24 18:00:43 2009 From: tpotter at techmarin.com (Ted Potter) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:00:43 -0800 Subject: off topic - install of the month Message-ID: <5ce05200902241000g5da21265k38c48c8c69bb77e5@mail.gmail.com> Greetings, Just wanted to share a little story from last week. A customer bought a new dell computer for his wife and ask me to help install it. So I show up and the guy turns on the machine. I watch in amazement as this bright red screen with white text comes up. Peering closely I am watching this machine execute the autoexec.bat file and then run other batch scripts to attempt to log in to a Novell network server. Calling Dell support got me this (and I quote) "what is DOS ?" What I want to know is where in h*ll did Dell dig up a hard drive configured to be a Novell client ? -- Ted Potter tpotter at techmarin.com Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it. - Albert Einstein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcorsi at spearreport.com Tue Feb 24 18:37:25 2009 From: mcorsi at spearreport.com (Mark Corsi) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:37:25 -0500 Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <5ce05200902241000g5da21265k38c48c8c69bb77e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ce05200902241000g5da21265k38c48c8c69bb77e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005001c996ae$f15e6120$d41b2360$@com> unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Romans 12:11 (NIV) From bob at bobcatos.com Tue Feb 24 19:11:10 2009 From: bob at bobcatos.com (Bob McClure Jr) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:11:10 -0600 Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <20090224184101.GA22179@bobcat.bobcatos.com> References: <5ce05200902241000g5da21265k38c48c8c69bb77e5@mail.gmail.com> <005001c996ae$f15e6120$d41b2360$@com> <20090224184101.GA22179@bobcat.bobcatos.com> Message-ID: <20090224191110.GB22179@bobcat.bobcatos.com> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:41:01PM -0600, Bob McClure Jr wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 01:37:25PM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > > unsubscribe > > List-Subscribe: , > Well, I'm a moron. I meant to cut and paste: List-Unsubscribe: , > or RTFF (Read the fine footer): > > > Redhat-install-list mailing list > > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > > Subject: unsubscribe > > Cheers. > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Romans 12:11 (NIV) From mcorsi at spearreport.com Tue Feb 24 20:13:46 2009 From: mcorsi at spearreport.com (Mark Corsi) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:13:46 -0500 Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <20090224191110.GB22179@bobcat.bobcatos.com> References: <5ce05200902241000g5da21265k38c48c8c69bb77e5@mail.gmail.com> <005001c996ae$f15e6120$d41b2360$@com> <20090224184101.GA22179@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <20090224191110.GB22179@bobcat.bobcatos.com> Message-ID: <005e01c996bc$66c00c90$344025b0$@com> Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:11 PM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: unsubscribe On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:41:01PM -0600, Bob McClure Jr wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 01:37:25PM -0500, Mark Corsi wrote: > > unsubscribe > > List-Subscribe: , > Well, I'm a moron. I meant to cut and paste: List-Unsubscribe: , > or RTFF (Read the fine footer): > > > Redhat-install-list mailing list > > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > > Subject: unsubscribe > > Cheers. > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Romans 12:11 (NIV) _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe From brkittycat at verizon.net Wed Feb 25 01:48:29 2009 From: brkittycat at verizon.net (Brenda Radford) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:48:29 -0500 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <49A42E9B.8060000@nerd.com> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> <20090224030309.GA15972@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <49A42E9B.8060000@nerd.com> Message-ID: <7793AF05BB7A481A9B1AAFB99EFDDA51@brendace5b4803> -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stevens Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:30 PM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: New Monitor Bob McClure Jr wrote: > As for top posting, I don't think you have to start your reply where > MS leaves your cursor. Just arrow down to where you want to insert a > reply, open up a line and start typing there. See also > > http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/bottom-posting.html > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 09:42:24PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: >> I am running RHEL AS 4 U5. >> It is an Acer H213H new-fangled monitor (it's huge). >> The video card is an ATI Radeon 9250. >> I have tried hooking it up with a VGA cable and a DVI cable. It made no >> difference. >> >> I tried hooking it up to a VGA monitor. The floppy disk light came on and >> stayed on, so I unplugged the floppy drive and disabled it in the BIOS. >> I got some text display on the VGA monitor related to the BIOS only. No Red >> Hat text of any kind > > Sounds like the hard drive or memory is not coming up. Does the > machine do a single beep shortly after reset or power-on? If not, > something's failing the POST (power-on self test). Power it off and > get inside the box and pull and reseat memory sticks and any add-on > cards. > > If it does beep, then POST is good. Hit Del or whatever is prescribed > to get into the BIOS after the beep. Does the BIOS recognize the hard > drive? If not, power down, open it up, and pull and reseat the cables > that connect the hard drive(s) to the motherboard. > > Let us know how far you get. If it does see the hard drive, you might want to try to reset the BIOS to its default settings. If the machine hasn't been fired up in a while, it is possible that some of the BIOS settings got glitched due to an old motherboard CMOS battery (that's a button-shaped battery on the motherboard that keeps the CMOS memory holding the BIOS settings alive when the machine's powered down). If that's the case, and once you get the machine up, you really need to replace that CMOS battery. > >> I do not know how to boot up in text only mode. You will have to tell me how >> to do that As to booting in text mode, it sounds complicated but it isn't: 1. Wait for the grub menu to come up, then press the spacebar. 2. Use the keyboard up and down arrow keys to highlight the kernel you want to boot (it's probably already selected). 3. Press "E" (for "Edit"). You'll be shown a couple of lines of text. 4. Use the up/down arrow keys to select the line that starts with the word "kernel". 5. Press "E" again and that line of text will be displayed for editing. 6. Press the "End" key on your keyboard or use the right arrow key to get to the end of the line. 7. Add " text" OR " 3" (that's a space and the word "text" OR a space and the digit "3") to the end of the line. Do NOT include the quotes. The end of the line should look something like: rhgb quiet text or rhgb quiet 3 8. Press the "ENTER" key to save the line. 9. Press "B" to boot the kernel with the changes. Note that these changes are only temporary and will work for THIS boot. If you reboot, you'll have to do this again. >> >> I hope it is not DOA. It was working a couple of months ago. I did not have >> the money to renew my Red Hat Academic subscription until today, and I was >> hoping to get the box updated. We'll get it sorted. It's difficult to diagnose remotely and on a mailing list to boot, but we've done far more arcane things here! :-) >> Thanks to all you guys; I hope I answered all your questions. I love this >> install list. If you could, Brenda, try not to top post. It makes following the logic of the messages difficult. It's better to place your comments and responses below what you're commenting on (as we try to do). Windows mail clients default to top posting, but nothing says you HAVE to put your response there. Just use the arrow keys to scroll down to where you want to put your comment and do it your way. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I opened up the case and reseated the memory and made sure the hard drive was plugged in properly and reconnected the floppy drive (I think the cable was on backwards; I seem to remember that makes the light stay on) and fired it up again and got it working with the new monitor. I went into grub, changed it to text, and pressed B to boot the kernel with the changes. Then I got these error messages: VFS: can't find ext 3 filesystem on dev dm-0 mount: error 22 mounting ext 3 mount: error 2 mounting none switchroot: mount failed: 22 umount/initrd/dev failed: 2 Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! This cannot be good. Something is wrong with the hard drive, is that what it all means? FYI, I was able to boot with Knoppix. Thanks Brenda From bob at bobcatos.com Wed Feb 25 02:29:20 2009 From: bob at bobcatos.com (Bob McClure Jr) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:29:20 -0600 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <7793AF05BB7A481A9B1AAFB99EFDDA51@brendace5b4803> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> <20090224030309.GA15972@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <49A42E9B.8060000@nerd.com> <7793AF05BB7A481A9B1AAFB99EFDDA51@brendace5b4803> Message-ID: <20090225022919.GA10463@bobcat.bobcatos.com> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 08:48:29PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: > > > > If it does see the hard drive, you might want to try to reset the BIOS > to its default settings. If the machine hasn't been fired up in a > while, it is possible that some of the BIOS settings got glitched due > to an old motherboard CMOS battery (that's a button-shaped battery on > the motherboard that keeps the CMOS memory holding the BIOS settings > alive when the machine's powered down). If that's the case, and once > you get the machine up, you really need to replace that CMOS battery. > > > > >> I do not know how to boot up in text only mode. You will have to tell me > how > >> to do that > > As to booting in text mode, it sounds complicated but it isn't: > > 1. Wait for the grub menu to come up, then press the spacebar. > > 2. Use the keyboard up and down arrow keys to highlight the kernel you > want to boot (it's probably already selected). > > 3. Press "E" (for "Edit"). You'll be shown a couple of lines of text. > > 4. Use the up/down arrow keys to select the line that starts with the > word "kernel". > > 5. Press "E" again and that line of text will be displayed for editing. > > 6. Press the "End" key on your keyboard or use the right arrow key to > get to the end of the line. > > 7. Add " text" OR " 3" (that's a space and the word "text" OR a space > and the digit "3") to the end of the line. Do NOT include the quotes. > The end of the line should look something like: > > rhgb quiet text > or > rhgb quiet 3 > > 8. Press the "ENTER" key to save the line. > > 9. Press "B" to boot the kernel with the changes. > > Note that these changes are only temporary and will work for THIS boot. > If you reboot, you'll have to do this again. > > >> > >> I hope it is not DOA. It was working a couple of months ago. I did not > have > >> the money to renew my Red Hat Academic subscription until today, and I > was > >> hoping to get the box updated. > > We'll get it sorted. It's difficult to diagnose remotely and on a > mailing list to boot, but we've done far more arcane things here! :-) > > >> Thanks to all you guys; I hope I answered all your questions. I love this > >> install list. > > If you could, Brenda, try not to top post. It makes following the > logic of the messages difficult. It's better to place your comments > and responses below what you're commenting on (as we try to do). > > Windows mail clients default to top posting, but nothing says you HAVE > to put your response there. Just use the arrow keys to scroll down to > where you want to put your comment and do it your way. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I opened up the case and reseated the memory and made sure the hard drive > was plugged in properly and reconnected the floppy drive (I think the cable > was on backwards; I seem to remember that makes the light stay on) and fired > it up again and got it working with the new monitor. I went into grub, > changed it to text, and pressed B to boot the kernel with the changes. > Then I got these error messages: > > VFS: can't find ext 3 filesystem on dev dm-0 > mount: error 22 mounting ext 3 > mount: error 2 mounting none > switchroot: mount failed: 22 > umount/initrd/dev failed: 2 > Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > > This cannot be good. Something is wrong with the hard drive, is that what it > all means? Well, the drive's not totally toast, since it booted partway, but one of the filesystems is in a hurting status. > FYI, I was able to boot with Knoppix. Is that a live CD? If so, you can do some poking around, starting with: fdisk -l # that's "ell", not one lvscan The first will find all the physical partitions. The next will find all the logical volumes. Let us know what they report. For each of the partitions listed as a Linux (type 83) filesystem, run e2fsck /dev/hdax # where "x" is the partition number For each of the LVs (if any), run e2fsck /dev// Make a note of which one(s) ha(ve|s) problems. If you still have your distribution disks, boot with Disc 1, and at the Boot: prompt, put "linux rescue". When it asks about networking, tell it no. When it offers to mount any filesystems, tell it "continue" (i.e. make it so). Some of the mounts will probably fail, but if any succeed, you can chroot /mnt/sysimage The do a cat /etc/fstab and report the results. Don't know what more to suggest until we get that information. At that point, you can exit # or Ctrl-D out of the chroot shell exit # or Ctrl-D, yes, again, to reboot After it says something about "rebooting", let it roll to see if something wonderful happens, or just shut it down. > Thanks > Brenda Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Romans 12:11 (NIV) From brkittycat at verizon.net Wed Feb 25 18:36:32 2009 From: brkittycat at verizon.net (Brenda Radford) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:36:32 -0500 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <20090225022919.GA10463@bobcat.bobcatos.com> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> <20090224030309.GA15972@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <49A42E9B.8060000@nerd.com> <7793AF05BB7A481A9B1AAFB99EFDDA51@brendace5b4803> <20090225022919.GA10463@bobcat.bobcatos.com> Message-ID: <52F000DF225B4652BD1A586BD3011042@brendace5b4803> -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:29 PM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: New Monitor On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 08:48:29PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: > > > > If it does see the hard drive, you might want to try to reset the BIOS > to its default settings. If the machine hasn't been fired up in a > while, it is possible that some of the BIOS settings got glitched due > to an old motherboard CMOS battery (that's a button-shaped battery on > the motherboard that keeps the CMOS memory holding the BIOS settings > alive when the machine's powered down). If that's the case, and once > you get the machine up, you really need to replace that CMOS battery. > > > > >> I do not know how to boot up in text only mode. You will have to tell me > how > >> to do that > > As to booting in text mode, it sounds complicated but it isn't: > > 1. Wait for the grub menu to come up, then press the spacebar. > > 2. Use the keyboard up and down arrow keys to highlight the kernel you > want to boot (it's probably already selected). > > 3. Press "E" (for "Edit"). You'll be shown a couple of lines of text. > > 4. Use the up/down arrow keys to select the line that starts with the > word "kernel". > > 5. Press "E" again and that line of text will be displayed for editing. > > 6. Press the "End" key on your keyboard or use the right arrow key to > get to the end of the line. > > 7. Add " text" OR " 3" (that's a space and the word "text" OR a space > and the digit "3") to the end of the line. Do NOT include the quotes. > The end of the line should look something like: > > rhgb quiet text > or > rhgb quiet 3 > > 8. Press the "ENTER" key to save the line. > > 9. Press "B" to boot the kernel with the changes. > > Note that these changes are only temporary and will work for THIS boot. > If you reboot, you'll have to do this again. > > >> > >> I hope it is not DOA. It was working a couple of months ago. I did not > have > >> the money to renew my Red Hat Academic subscription until today, and I > was > >> hoping to get the box updated. > > We'll get it sorted. It's difficult to diagnose remotely and on a > mailing list to boot, but we've done far more arcane things here! :-) > > >> Thanks to all you guys; I hope I answered all your questions. I love this > >> install list. > > If you could, Brenda, try not to top post. It makes following the > logic of the messages difficult. It's better to place your comments > and responses below what you're commenting on (as we try to do). > > Windows mail clients default to top posting, but nothing says you HAVE > to put your response there. Just use the arrow keys to scroll down to > where you want to put your comment and do it your way. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I opened up the case and reseated the memory and made sure the hard drive > was plugged in properly and reconnected the floppy drive (I think the cable > was on backwards; I seem to remember that makes the light stay on) and fired > it up again and got it working with the new monitor. I went into grub, > changed it to text, and pressed B to boot the kernel with the changes. > Then I got these error messages: > > VFS: can't find ext 3 filesystem on dev dm-0 > mount: error 22 mounting ext 3 > mount: error 2 mounting none > switchroot: mount failed: 22 > umount/initrd/dev failed: 2 > Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > > This cannot be good. Something is wrong with the hard drive, is that what it > all means? Well, the drive's not totally toast, since it booted partway, but one of the filesystems is in a hurting status. > FYI, I was able to boot with Knoppix. Is that a live CD? If so, you can do some poking around, starting with: fdisk -l # that's "ell", not one lvscan The first will find all the physical partitions. The next will find all the logical volumes. Let us know what they report. For each of the partitions listed as a Linux (type 83) filesystem, run e2fsck /dev/hdax # where "x" is the partition number For each of the LVs (if any), run e2fsck /dev// Make a note of which one(s) ha(ve|s) problems. If you still have your distribution disks, boot with Disc 1, and at the Boot: prompt, put "linux rescue". When it asks about networking, tell it no. When it offers to mount any filesystems, tell it "continue" (i.e. make it so). Some of the mounts will probably fail, but if any succeed, you can chroot /mnt/sysimage The do a cat /etc/fstab and report the results. Don't know what more to suggest until we get that information. At that point, you can exit # or Ctrl-D out of the chroot shell exit # or Ctrl-D, yes, again, to reboot After it says something about "rebooting", let it roll to see if something wonderful happens, or just shut it down. > Thanks > Brenda Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Romans 12:11 (NIV) fdisk -l Device boot start end ID system /dev/hde1 * 1 13 83 Linux /dev/hde2 14 9729 8e Linux LVM lvscan inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 [72.62GB] inherit inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 [1.75GB] inherit e2fsck /dev// /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 I got this error message for both: No such file or directory while trying to open The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 file system (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: E2fsck -b 8193 Linux rescue gave me this: You don't have any Linux partitions. The chroot /mnt/sysimage And cat /etc/fstab also failed. No such file or directory Nothing wonderful happened when it rebooted. Now what do I do? Do I have to start over with a fresh install? This reminds me of a blue screen in Windows. I had one of those last January. Thanks, Brenda From tpotter at techmarin.com Wed Feb 25 18:58:18 2009 From: tpotter at techmarin.com (Ted Potter) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:58:18 -0800 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <52F000DF225B4652BD1A586BD3011042@brendace5b4803> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> <20090224030309.GA15972@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <49A42E9B.8060000@nerd.com> <7793AF05BB7A481A9B1AAFB99EFDDA51@brendace5b4803> <20090225022919.GA10463@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <52F000DF225B4652BD1A586BD3011042@brendace5b4803> Message-ID: <5ce05200902251058v671a54a7id69dc72cf487aa01@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Brenda Radford wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure > Jr > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:29 PM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: New Monitor > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 08:48:29PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: > > > > > > > > If it does see the hard drive, you might want to try to reset the BIOS > > to its default settings. If the machine hasn't been fired up in a > > while, it is possible that some of the BIOS settings got glitched due > > to an old motherboard CMOS battery (that's a button-shaped battery on > > the motherboard that keeps the CMOS memory holding the BIOS settings > > alive when the machine's powered down). If that's the case, and once > > you get the machine up, you really need to replace that CMOS battery. > > > > > > > >> I do not know how to boot up in text only mode. You will have to tell > me > > how > > >> to do that > > > > As to booting in text mode, it sounds complicated but it isn't: > > > > 1. Wait for the grub menu to come up, then press the spacebar. > > > > 2. Use the keyboard up and down arrow keys to highlight the kernel you > > want to boot (it's probably already selected). > > > > 3. Press "E" (for "Edit"). You'll be shown a couple of lines of text. > > > > 4. Use the up/down arrow keys to select the line that starts with the > > word "kernel". > > > > 5. Press "E" again and that line of text will be displayed for editing. > > > > 6. Press the "End" key on your keyboard or use the right arrow key to > > get to the end of the line. > > > > 7. Add " text" OR " 3" (that's a space and the word "text" OR a space > > and the digit "3") to the end of the line. Do NOT include the quotes. > > The end of the line should look something like: > > > > rhgb quiet text > > or > > rhgb quiet 3 > > > > 8. Press the "ENTER" key to save the line. > > > > 9. Press "B" to boot the kernel with the changes. > > > > Note that these changes are only temporary and will work for THIS boot. > > If you reboot, you'll have to do this again. > > > > >> > > >> I hope it is not DOA. It was working a couple of months ago. I did not > > have > > >> the money to renew my Red Hat Academic subscription until today, and I > > was > > >> hoping to get the box updated. > > > > We'll get it sorted. It's difficult to diagnose remotely and on a > > mailing list to boot, but we've done far more arcane things here! :-) > > > > >> Thanks to all you guys; I hope I answered all your questions. I love > this > > >> install list. > > > > If you could, Brenda, try not to top post. It makes following the > > logic of the messages difficult. It's better to place your comments > > and responses below what you're commenting on (as we try to do). > > > > Windows mail clients default to top posting, but nothing says you HAVE > > to put your response there. Just use the arrow keys to scroll down to > > where you want to put your comment and do it your way. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - > > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > > - - > > - Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. - > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I opened up the case and reseated the memory and made sure the hard drive > > was plugged in properly and reconnected the floppy drive (I think the > cable > > was on backwards; I seem to remember that makes the light stay on) and > fired > > it up again and got it working with the new monitor. I went into grub, > > changed it to text, and pressed B to boot the kernel with the changes. > > Then I got these error messages: > > > > VFS: can't find ext 3 filesystem on dev dm-0 > > mount: error 22 mounting ext 3 > > mount: error 2 mounting none > > switchroot: mount failed: 22 > > umount/initrd/dev failed: 2 > > Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > > > > This cannot be good. Something is wrong with the hard drive, is that what > it > > all means? > > Well, the drive's not totally toast, since it booted partway, but one > of the filesystems is in a hurting status. > > > FYI, I was able to boot with Knoppix. > > Is that a live CD? If so, you can do some poking around, starting > with: > > fdisk -l # that's "ell", not one > lvscan > > The first will find all the physical partitions. The next will find > all the logical volumes. Let us know what they report. > > For each of the partitions listed as a Linux (type 83) filesystem, run > > e2fsck /dev/hdax # where "x" is the partition number > > For each of the LVs (if any), run > > e2fsck /dev// > > Make a note of which one(s) ha(ve|s) problems. > > If you still have your distribution disks, boot with Disc 1, and at > the Boot: prompt, put "linux rescue". > > When it asks about networking, tell it no. When it offers to mount > any filesystems, tell it "continue" (i.e. make it so). Some of the > mounts will probably fail, but if any succeed, you can > > chroot /mnt/sysimage > > The do a > > cat /etc/fstab > > and report the results. > > Don't know what more to suggest until we get that information. At > that point, you can > > exit # or Ctrl-D out of the chroot shell > exit # or Ctrl-D, yes, again, to reboot > > After it says something about "rebooting", let it roll to see if > something wonderful happens, or just shut it down. > > > Thanks > > Brenda > > Cheers, > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. > bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com > Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the > Lord. Romans 12:11 (NIV) > > > > fdisk -l > > Device boot start end ID system > > /dev/hde1 * 1 13 83 Linux > /dev/hde2 14 9729 8e Linux LVM > > lvscan > > inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 [72.62GB] inherit > inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 [1.75GB] inherit > > > e2fsck /dev// > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 > I got this error message for both: > > No such file or directory while trying to open > The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 > filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 file > system (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is > corrupt and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: > E2fsck -b 8193 > > Linux rescue gave me this: > You don't have any Linux partitions. > > The chroot /mnt/sysimage > And cat /etc/fstab also failed. No such file or directory > > Nothing wonderful happened when it rebooted. > > Now what do I do? Do I have to start over with a fresh install? > This reminds me of a blue screen in Windows. I had one of those last > January. > > Thanks, > Brenda > > > Bob or Rick may have a different take. I say if you have nothing to lose then why not do a fresh install. Still in reviewing this post it seems some part of the file systems is hosed. If a recovery option exists, as a tech-guy I would pursue it just for the learning experience. From a sys admin point of view with the goal of having a running box do a fresh install. 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URL: From brkittycat at verizon.net Wed Feb 25 19:53:04 2009 From: brkittycat at verizon.net (Brenda Radford) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:53:04 -0500 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <5ce05200902251058v671a54a7id69dc72cf487aa01@mail.gmail.com> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> <20090224030309.GA15972@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <49A42E9B.8060000@nerd.com> <7793AF05BB7A481A9B1AAFB99EFDDA51@brendace5b4803> <20090225022919.GA10463@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <52F000DF225B4652BD1A586BD3011042@brendace5b4803> <5ce05200902251058v671a54a7id69dc72cf487aa01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3E435D6E9EE648D797A84AEC039A3E8D@brendace5b4803> _____ From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ted Potter Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:58 PM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: New Monitor On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Brenda Radford wrote: -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:29 PM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: New Monitor On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 08:48:29PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: > > > > If it does see the hard drive, you might want to try to reset the BIOS > to its default settings. If the machine hasn't been fired up in a > while, it is possible that some of the BIOS settings got glitched due > to an old motherboard CMOS battery (that's a button-shaped battery on > the motherboard that keeps the CMOS memory holding the BIOS settings > alive when the machine's powered down). If that's the case, and once > you get the machine up, you really need to replace that CMOS battery. > > > > >> I do not know how to boot up in text only mode. You will have to tell me > how > >> to do that > > As to booting in text mode, it sounds complicated but it isn't: > > 1. Wait for the grub menu to come up, then press the spacebar. > > 2. Use the keyboard up and down arrow keys to highlight the kernel you > want to boot (it's probably already selected). > > 3. Press "E" (for "Edit"). You'll be shown a couple of lines of text. > > 4. Use the up/down arrow keys to select the line that starts with the > word "kernel". > > 5. Press "E" again and that line of text will be displayed for editing. > > 6. Press the "End" key on your keyboard or use the right arrow key to > get to the end of the line. > > 7. Add " text" OR " 3" (that's a space and the word "text" OR a space > and the digit "3") to the end of the line. Do NOT include the quotes. > The end of the line should look something like: > > rhgb quiet text > or > rhgb quiet 3 > > 8. Press the "ENTER" key to save the line. > > 9. Press "B" to boot the kernel with the changes. > > Note that these changes are only temporary and will work for THIS boot. > If you reboot, you'll have to do this again. > > >> > >> I hope it is not DOA. It was working a couple of months ago. I did not > have > >> the money to renew my Red Hat Academic subscription until today, and I > was > >> hoping to get the box updated. > > We'll get it sorted. It's difficult to diagnose remotely and on a > mailing list to boot, but we've done far more arcane things here! :-) > > >> Thanks to all you guys; I hope I answered all your questions. I love this > >> install list. > > If you could, Brenda, try not to top post. It makes following the > logic of the messages difficult. It's better to place your comments > and responses below what you're commenting on (as we try to do). > > Windows mail clients default to top posting, but nothing says you HAVE > to put your response there. Just use the arrow keys to scroll down to > where you want to put your comment and do it your way. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I opened up the case and reseated the memory and made sure the hard drive > was plugged in properly and reconnected the floppy drive (I think the cable > was on backwards; I seem to remember that makes the light stay on) and fired > it up again and got it working with the new monitor. I went into grub, > changed it to text, and pressed B to boot the kernel with the changes. > Then I got these error messages: > > VFS: can't find ext 3 filesystem on dev dm-0 > mount: error 22 mounting ext 3 > mount: error 2 mounting none > switchroot: mount failed: 22 > umount/initrd/dev failed: 2 > Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > > This cannot be good. Something is wrong with the hard drive, is that what it > all means? Well, the drive's not totally toast, since it booted partway, but one of the filesystems is in a hurting status. > FYI, I was able to boot with Knoppix. Is that a live CD? If so, you can do some poking around, starting with: fdisk -l # that's "ell", not one lvscan The first will find all the physical partitions. The next will find all the logical volumes. Let us know what they report. For each of the partitions listed as a Linux (type 83) filesystem, run e2fsck /dev/hdax # where "x" is the partition number For each of the LVs (if any), run e2fsck /dev// Make a note of which one(s) ha(ve|s) problems. If you still have your distribution disks, boot with Disc 1, and at the Boot: prompt, put "linux rescue". When it asks about networking, tell it no. When it offers to mount any filesystems, tell it "continue" (i.e. make it so). Some of the mounts will probably fail, but if any succeed, you can chroot /mnt/sysimage The do a cat /etc/fstab and report the results. Don't know what more to suggest until we get that information. At that point, you can exit # or Ctrl-D out of the chroot shell exit # or Ctrl-D, yes, again, to reboot After it says something about "rebooting", let it roll to see if something wonderful happens, or just shut it down. > Thanks > Brenda Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Romans 12:11 (NIV) fdisk -l Device boot start end ID system /dev/hde1 * 1 13 83 Linux /dev/hde2 14 9729 8e Linux LVM lvscan inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 [72.62GB] inherit inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 [1.75GB] inherit e2fsck /dev// /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 I got this error message for both: No such file or directory while trying to open The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 file system (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: E2fsck -b 8193 Linux rescue gave me this: You don't have any Linux partitions. The chroot /mnt/sysimage And cat /etc/fstab also failed. No such file or directory Nothing wonderful happened when it rebooted. Now what do I do? Do I have to start over with a fresh install? This reminds me of a blue screen in Windows. I had one of those last January. Thanks, Brenda Bob or Rick may have a different take. I say if you have nothing to lose then why not do a fresh install. Still in reviewing this post it seems some part of the file systems is hosed. If a recovery option exists, as a tech-guy I would pursue it just for the learning experience. From a sys admin point of view with the goal of having a running box do a fresh install. Assuming no data or apps are needed from the existing install. -- Ted Potter tpotter at techmarin.com Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it. - Albert Einstein Thanks, Ted. It is a learning box, not a mission critical production box. I think I have the data on a CD I burned a short time ago. I just need some supervision to try to do a recovery. I will wait for Bob or Rick to weigh in before I do anything, though. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob at bobcatos.com Wed Feb 25 20:59:06 2009 From: bob at bobcatos.com (Bob McClure Jr) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:59:06 -0600 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <3E435D6E9EE648D797A84AEC039A3E8D@brendace5b4803> References: <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> <20090224030309.GA15972@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <49A42E9B.8060000@nerd.com> <7793AF05BB7A481A9B1AAFB99EFDDA51@brendace5b4803> <20090225022919.GA10463@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <52F000DF225B4652BD1A586BD3011042@brendace5b4803> <5ce05200902251058v671a54a7id69dc72cf487aa01@mail.gmail.com> <3E435D6E9EE648D797A84AEC039A3E8D@brendace5b4803> Message-ID: <20090225205906.GB22991@bobcat.bobcatos.com> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 02:53:04PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: > > > > > _____ > > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ted Potter > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:58 PM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: New Monitor > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Brenda Radford > wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McClure Jr > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:29 PM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: New Monitor > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 08:48:29PM -0500, Brenda Radford wrote: > > > > > > > > If it does see the hard drive, you might want to try to reset the BIOS > > to its default settings. If the machine hasn't been fired up in a > > while, it is possible that some of the BIOS settings got glitched due > > to an old motherboard CMOS battery (that's a button-shaped battery on > > the motherboard that keeps the CMOS memory holding the BIOS settings > > alive when the machine's powered down). If that's the case, and once > > you get the machine up, you really need to replace that CMOS battery. > > > > > > > >> I do not know how to boot up in text only mode. You will have to tell > me > > how > > >> to do that > > > > As to booting in text mode, it sounds complicated but it isn't: > > > > 1. Wait for the grub menu to come up, then press the spacebar. > > > > 2. Use the keyboard up and down arrow keys to highlight the kernel you > > want to boot (it's probably already selected). > > > > 3. Press "E" (for "Edit"). You'll be shown a couple of lines of text. > > > > 4. Use the up/down arrow keys to select the line that starts with the > > word "kernel". > > > > 5. Press "E" again and that line of text will be displayed for editing. > > > > 6. Press the "End" key on your keyboard or use the right arrow key to > > get to the end of the line. > > > > 7. Add " text" OR " 3" (that's a space and the word "text" OR a space > > and the digit "3") to the end of the line. Do NOT include the quotes. > > The end of the line should look something like: > > > > rhgb quiet text > > or > > rhgb quiet 3 > > > > 8. Press the "ENTER" key to save the line. > > > > 9. Press "B" to boot the kernel with the changes. > > > > Note that these changes are only temporary and will work for THIS boot. > > If you reboot, you'll have to do this again. > > > > >> > > >> I hope it is not DOA. It was working a couple of months ago. I did not > > have > > >> the money to renew my Red Hat Academic subscription until today, and I > > was > > >> hoping to get the box updated. > > > > We'll get it sorted. It's difficult to diagnose remotely and on a > > mailing list to boot, but we've done far more arcane things here! :-) > > > > >> Thanks to all you guys; I hope I answered all your questions. I love > this > > >> install list. > > > > If you could, Brenda, try not to top post. It makes following the > > logic of the messages difficult. It's better to place your comments > > and responses below what you're commenting on (as we try to do). > > > > Windows mail clients default to top posting, but nothing says you HAVE > > to put your response there. Just use the arrow keys to scroll down to > > where you want to put your comment and do it your way. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - > > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > > - - > > - Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. - > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I opened up the case and reseated the memory and made sure the hard drive > > was plugged in properly and reconnected the floppy drive (I think the > cable > > was on backwards; I seem to remember that makes the light stay on) and > fired > > it up again and got it working with the new monitor. I went into grub, > > changed it to text, and pressed B to boot the kernel with the changes. > > Then I got these error messages: > > > > VFS: can't find ext 3 filesystem on dev dm-0 > > mount: error 22 mounting ext 3 > > mount: error 2 mounting none > > switchroot: mount failed: 22 > > umount/initrd/dev failed: 2 > > Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > > > > This cannot be good. Something is wrong with the hard drive, is that what > it > > all means? > > Well, the drive's not totally toast, since it booted partway, but one > of the filesystems is in a hurting status. > > > FYI, I was able to boot with Knoppix. > > Is that a live CD? If so, you can do some poking around, starting > with: > > fdisk -l # that's "ell", not one > lvscan > > The first will find all the physical partitions. The next will find > all the logical volumes. Let us know what they report. > > For each of the partitions listed as a Linux (type 83) filesystem, run > > e2fsck /dev/hdax # where "x" is the partition number > > For each of the LVs (if any), run > > e2fsck /dev// > > Make a note of which one(s) ha(ve|s) problems. > > If you still have your distribution disks, boot with Disc 1, and at > the Boot: prompt, put "linux rescue". > > When it asks about networking, tell it no. When it offers to mount > any filesystems, tell it "continue" (i.e. make it so). Some of the > mounts will probably fail, but if any succeed, you can > > chroot /mnt/sysimage > > The do a > > cat /etc/fstab > > and report the results. > > Don't know what more to suggest until we get that information. At > that point, you can > > exit # or Ctrl-D out of the chroot shell > exit # or Ctrl-D, yes, again, to reboot > > After it says something about "rebooting", let it roll to see if > something wonderful happens, or just shut it down. > > > Thanks > > Brenda > > Cheers, > -- > Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. > bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com > Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the > Lord. Romans 12:11 (NIV) > > > > > fdisk -l > > Device boot start end ID system > > /dev/hde1 * 1 13 83 Linux > /dev/hde2 14 9729 8e Linux LVM > > lvscan > > inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 [72.62GB] inherit > inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 [1.75GB] inherit > > > e2fsck /dev// > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 > I got this error message for both: > > No such file or directory while trying to open > The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 > filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 file > system (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is > corrupt and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: > E2fsck -b 8193 I'm guessing that's because they weren't activated, but ... > Linux rescue gave me this: > You don't have any Linux partitions. If there was anything useful there, it should have found it, so it's probably reinstall time, but I will defer to Rick's judgement. He may (and frequently does) know something I don't. > The chroot /mnt/sysimage > And cat /etc/fstab also failed. No such file or directory > > Nothing wonderful happened when it rebooted. > > Now what do I do? Do I have to start over with a fresh install? > This reminds me of a blue screen in Windows. I had one of those last > January. > > Thanks, > Brenda > > > > Bob or Rick may have a different take. I say if you have nothing to lose > then why not do a fresh install. Still in reviewing this post it seems some > part of the file systems is hosed. If a recovery option exists, as a > tech-guy > I would pursue it just for the learning experience. From a sys admin point > of > view with the goal of having a running box do a fresh install. Assuming no > data or apps are needed from the existing install. > > -- > Ted Potter > tpotter at techmarin.com > Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it. - Albert > Einstein > > > > Thanks, Ted. It is a learning box, not a mission critical production box. I > think I have the data on a CD I burned a short time ago. I just need some > supervision to try to do a recovery. I will wait for Bob or Rick to weigh in > before I do anything, though. Cheers, -- Bob McClure, Jr. Bobcat Open Systems, Inc. bob at bobcatos.com http://www.bobcatos.com Remember, O LORD, your great mercy and love, for they are from of old. Remember not the sins of my youth and my rebellious ways; according to your love remember me, for you are good, O LORD. Psalm 25:6,7 (NIV) From ricks at nerd.com Wed Feb 25 21:04:14 2009 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:04:14 -0800 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <3E435D6E9EE648D797A84AEC039A3E8D@brendace5b4803> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> <20090224030309.GA15972@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <49A42E9B.8060000@nerd.com> <7793AF05BB7A481A9B1AAFB99EFDDA51@brendace5b4803> <20090225022919.GA10463@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <52F000DF225B4652BD1A586BD3011042@brendace5b4803> <5ce05200902251058v671a54a7id69dc72cf487aa01@mail.gmail.com> <3E435D6E9EE648D797A84AEC039A3E8D@brendace5b4803> Message-ID: <49A5B24E.1040209@nerd.com> (bunch of stuff snipped) (Brenda said:) > fdisk -l > > Device boot start end ID system > > /dev/hde1 * 1 13 83 Linux > /dev/hde2 14 9729 8e Linux LVM > > lvscan > > inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 [72.62GB] inherit > inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 [1.75GB] inherit > > > e2fsck /dev// > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 > I got this error message for both: > > No such file or directory while trying to open > The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 > filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 file > system (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is > corrupt and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: > E2fsck -b 8193 > > Linux rescue gave me this: > You don't have any Linux partitions. > > The chroot /mnt/sysimage > And cat /etc/fstab also failed. No such file or directory > > Nothing wonderful happened when it rebooted. > > Now what do I do? Do I have to start over with a fresh install? > This reminds me of a blue screen in Windows. I had one of those last > January. > > Thanks, > Brenda > > > > Bob or Rick may have a different take. I say if you have nothing to lose > then why not do a fresh install. Still in reviewing this post it seems some > part of the file systems is hosed. If a recovery option exists, as a > tech-guy > I would pursue it just for the learning experience. From a sys admin point > of > view with the goal of having a running box do a fresh install. Assuming no > data or apps are needed from the existing install. I'd tend to agree. There's something very odd here. The fdisk -l shows Linux partitions on /dev/hde? You'd have to have at least five IDE drives to get out there, and Linux now treats all drives as SCSI so they should show up as /dev/sde (not /dev/hde) with any fairly recent kernel. You could, theoretically, do an "fsck /dev/hde1" as it's a regular partition with a filesystem on it. Do NOT fsck /dev/hde2 as that's an LVM volume. The rescue disk should have found that stuff and activated your volume groups. You can try it again by going into rescue mode and entering "vgchange -ay" to activate the volume groups. Going back to the initial problem, a message such as "FS: can't find ext 3 filesystem on dev dm-0" smells more like we have a software RAID here and it somehow is degraded or the RAID modules aren't loaded in the initrd image. A device such as dm-0 is a software RAID volume. Brenda, was this configured on a software RAID? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Grabel's Law: 2 is not equal to 3--not even for large values of 2. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From brkittycat at verizon.net Wed Feb 25 21:23:15 2009 From: brkittycat at verizon.net (Brenda Radford) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:23:15 -0500 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <49A5B24E.1040209@nerd.com> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> <20090224030309.GA15972@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <49A42E9B.8060000@nerd.com> <7793AF05BB7A481A9B1AAFB99EFDDA51@brendace5b4803> <20090225022919.GA10463@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <52F000DF225B4652BD1A586BD3011042@brendace5b4803> <5ce05200902251058v671a54a7id69dc72cf487aa01@mail.gmail.com> <3E435D6E9EE648D797A84AEC039A3E8D@brendace5b4803> <49A5B24E.1040209@nerd.com> Message-ID: <3286F6B025FC484BB69F0396F1A668C3@brendace5b4803> -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stevens Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:04 PM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: New Monitor (bunch of stuff snipped) (Brenda said:) > fdisk -l > > Device boot start end ID system > > /dev/hde1 * 1 13 83 Linux > /dev/hde2 14 9729 8e Linux LVM > > lvscan > > inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 [72.62GB] inherit > inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 [1.75GB] inherit > > > e2fsck /dev// > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 > I got this error message for both: > > No such file or directory while trying to open > The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 > filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 file > system (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is > corrupt and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: > E2fsck -b 8193 > > Linux rescue gave me this: > You don't have any Linux partitions. > > The chroot /mnt/sysimage > And cat /etc/fstab also failed. No such file or directory > > Nothing wonderful happened when it rebooted. > > Now what do I do? Do I have to start over with a fresh install? > This reminds me of a blue screen in Windows. I had one of those last > January. > > Thanks, > Brenda > > > > Bob or Rick may have a different take. I say if you have nothing to lose > then why not do a fresh install. Still in reviewing this post it seems some > part of the file systems is hosed. If a recovery option exists, as a > tech-guy > I would pursue it just for the learning experience. From a sys admin point > of > view with the goal of having a running box do a fresh install. Assuming no > data or apps are needed from the existing install. I'd tend to agree. There's something very odd here. The fdisk -l shows Linux partitions on /dev/hde? You'd have to have at least five IDE drives to get out there, and Linux now treats all drives as SCSI so they should show up as /dev/sde (not /dev/hde) with any fairly recent kernel. You could, theoretically, do an "fsck /dev/hde1" as it's a regular partition with a filesystem on it. Do NOT fsck /dev/hde2 as that's an LVM volume. The rescue disk should have found that stuff and activated your volume groups. You can try it again by going into rescue mode and entering "vgchange -ay" to activate the volume groups. Going back to the initial problem, a message such as "FS: can't find ext 3 filesystem on dev dm-0" smells more like we have a software RAID here and it somehow is degraded or the RAID modules aren't loaded in the initrd image. A device such as dm-0 is a software RAID volume. Brenda, was this configured on a software RAID? No RAID configuration. This box has four hard drives in it, but they are not cabled. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Grabel's Law: 2 is not equal to 3--not even for large values of 2. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From ricks at nerd.com Wed Feb 25 21:34:47 2009 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:34:47 -0800 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <3286F6B025FC484BB69F0396F1A668C3@brendace5b4803> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> <20090224030309.GA15972@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <49A42E9B.8060000@nerd.com> <7793AF05BB7A481A9B1AAFB99EFDDA51@brendace5b4803> <20090225022919.GA10463@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <52F000DF225B4652BD1A586BD3011042@brendace5b4803> <5ce05200902251058v671a54a7id69dc72cf487aa01@mail.gmail.com> <3E435D6E9EE648D797A84AEC039A3E8D@brendace5b4803> <49A5B24E.1040209@nerd.com> <3286F6B025FC484BB69F0396F1A668C3@brendace5b4803> Message-ID: <49A5B977.4080904@nerd.com> Brenda Radford wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stevens > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:04 PM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: New Monitor > > (bunch of stuff snipped) > (Brenda said:) > >> fdisk -l >> >> Device boot start end ID system >> >> /dev/hde1 * 1 13 83 Linux >> /dev/hde2 14 9729 8e Linux LVM >> >> lvscan >> >> inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 [72.62GB] inherit >> inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 [1.75GB] inherit >> >> >> e2fsck /dev// >> /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 >> /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 >> I got this error message for both: >> >> No such file or directory while trying to open >> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 >> filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 file >> system (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is >> corrupt and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: >> E2fsck -b 8193 >> >> Linux rescue gave me this: >> You don't have any Linux partitions. >> >> The chroot /mnt/sysimage >> And cat /etc/fstab also failed. No such file or directory >> >> Nothing wonderful happened when it rebooted. >> >> Now what do I do? Do I have to start over with a fresh install? >> This reminds me of a blue screen in Windows. I had one of those last >> January. >> >> Thanks, >> Brenda >> >> >> >> Bob or Rick may have a different take. I say if you have nothing to lose >> then why not do a fresh install. Still in reviewing this post it seems > some >> part of the file systems is hosed. If a recovery option exists, as a >> tech-guy >> I would pursue it just for the learning experience. From a sys admin point >> of >> view with the goal of having a running box do a fresh install. Assuming no >> data or apps are needed from the existing install. > >> I'd tend to agree. There's something very odd here. The fdisk -l shows >> Linux partitions on /dev/hde? You'd have to have at least five IDE >> drives to get out there, and Linux now treats all drives as SCSI so they >> should show up as /dev/sde (not /dev/hde) with any fairly recent kernel. >> >> You could, theoretically, do an "fsck /dev/hde1" as it's a regular >> partition with a filesystem on it. Do NOT fsck /dev/hde2 as that's an >> LVM volume. >> >> The rescue disk should have found that stuff and activated your volume >> groups. You can try it again by going into rescue mode and entering >> "vgchange -ay" to activate the volume groups. >> >> Going back to the initial problem, a message such as "FS: can't find >> ext 3 filesystem on dev dm-0" smells more like we have a software RAID >> here and it somehow is degraded or the RAID modules aren't loaded in the >> initrd image. A device such as dm-0 is a software RAID volume. >> >> Brenda, was this configured on a software RAID? > > > No RAID configuration. This box has four hard drives in it, but they are not > cabled. How do you mean? No data cables or no power cables? If they still have data cables but no power cables, that's bad and they can hang the bus. Tell you what, can you give us a full rundown on the system? Things like CPU type (32- or 64-bit), amount of RAM, video card type, numbers and types of drives, how they're connected and what you think you have on them now, any external devices (USB, etc.) and which operating systems you're trying to work with. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Is that a buffer overflow or are you just happy to see me? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From brkittycat at verizon.net Wed Feb 25 21:40:20 2009 From: brkittycat at verizon.net (Brenda Radford) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:40:20 -0500 Subject: New Monitor In-Reply-To: <49A5B977.4080904@nerd.com> References: <653C4A3EC6544A43B705682F2E24A528@brendace5b4803> <20090223211751.GA998@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <997E2B2321D34D188ED198A9F0A7DECF@brendace5b4803> <49A350A8.6080407@nerd.com> <485361BF45ED468380C70AB22F0507A9@brendace5b4803> <20090224030309.GA15972@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <49A42E9B.8060000@nerd.com> <7793AF05BB7A481A9B1AAFB99EFDDA51@brendace5b4803> <20090225022919.GA10463@bobcat.bobcatos.com> <52F000DF225B4652BD1A586BD3011042@brendace5b4803> <5ce05200902251058v671a54a7id69dc72cf487aa01@mail.gmail.com> <3E435D6E9EE648D797A84AEC039A3E8D@brendace5b4803> <49A5B24E.1040209@nerd.com> <3286F6B025FC484BB69F0396F1A668C3@brendace5b4803> <49A5B977.4080904@nerd.com> Message-ID: <9A0EB8A8C4C2411BB375B3301F6D03DA@brendace5b4803> -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stevens Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:35 PM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: New Monitor Brenda Radford wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stevens > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:04 PM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: New Monitor > > (bunch of stuff snipped) > (Brenda said:) > >> fdisk -l >> >> Device boot start end ID system >> >> /dev/hde1 * 1 13 83 Linux >> /dev/hde2 14 9729 8e Linux LVM >> >> lvscan >> >> inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 [72.62GB] inherit >> inactive /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 [1.75GB] inherit >> >> >> e2fsck /dev// >> /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 >> /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 >> I got this error message for both: >> >> No such file or directory while trying to open >> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 >> filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 file >> system (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is >> corrupt and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: >> E2fsck -b 8193 >> >> Linux rescue gave me this: >> You don't have any Linux partitions. >> >> The chroot /mnt/sysimage >> And cat /etc/fstab also failed. No such file or directory >> >> Nothing wonderful happened when it rebooted. >> >> Now what do I do? Do I have to start over with a fresh install? >> This reminds me of a blue screen in Windows. I had one of those last >> January. >> >> Thanks, >> Brenda >> >> >> >> Bob or Rick may have a different take. I say if you have nothing to lose >> then why not do a fresh install. Still in reviewing this post it seems > some >> part of the file systems is hosed. If a recovery option exists, as a >> tech-guy >> I would pursue it just for the learning experience. From a sys admin point >> of >> view with the goal of having a running box do a fresh install. Assuming no >> data or apps are needed from the existing install. > >> I'd tend to agree. There's something very odd here. The fdisk -l shows >> Linux partitions on /dev/hde? You'd have to have at least five IDE >> drives to get out there, and Linux now treats all drives as SCSI so they >> should show up as /dev/sde (not /dev/hde) with any fairly recent kernel. >> >> You could, theoretically, do an "fsck /dev/hde1" as it's a regular >> partition with a filesystem on it. Do NOT fsck /dev/hde2 as that's an >> LVM volume. >> >> The rescue disk should have found that stuff and activated your volume >> groups. You can try it again by going into rescue mode and entering >> "vgchange -ay" to activate the volume groups. >> >> Going back to the initial problem, a message such as "FS: can't find >> ext 3 filesystem on dev dm-0" smells more like we have a software RAID >> here and it somehow is degraded or the RAID modules aren't loaded in the >> initrd image. A device such as dm-0 is a software RAID volume. >> >> Brenda, was this configured on a software RAID? > > > No RAID configuration. This box has four hard drives in it, but they are not > cabled. How do you mean? No data cables or no power cables? If they still have data cables but no power cables, that's bad and they can hang the bus. Tell you what, can you give us a full rundown on the system? Things like CPU type (32- or 64-bit), amount of RAM, video card type, numbers and types of drives, how they're connected and what you think you have on them now, any external devices (USB, etc.) and which operating systems you're trying to work with. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Is that a buffer overflow or are you just happy to see me? - No data cables AND no power cables. They are just in the case. They were not connected when I did the install, I do not think.