From ankeensah at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 14:27:56 2010 From: ankeensah at gmail.com (ankeensah) Date: 2 Sep 2010 14:27:56 -0000 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?CgoKClRoaXMgaXMganVzdCBhbWF6aW5n4oCmCgo=?= Message-ID: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricks at nerd.com Thu Sep 2 19:47:25 2010 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:47:25 -0700 Subject: This is just =?windows-1252?Q?amazing=85?= In-Reply-To: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> Message-ID: <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com> On 09/02/2010 07:27 AM, ankeensah wrote: (absolutely nothing) What's amazing? You shouldn't post things to the list unless you verify that you actually SAID something! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - If at first you don't succeed, quit. No sense being a damned fool! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From landonmkelsey at hotmail.com Fri Sep 3 00:57:54 2010 From: landonmkelsey at hotmail.com (Landon M. Kelsey, III) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:57:54 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_This_is_just_amazing=85?= In-Reply-To: <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com> References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com> Message-ID: What the heck is this? -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stevens Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:47 PM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: This is just amazing On 09/02/2010 07:27 AM, ankeensah wrote: (absolutely nothing) What's amazing? You shouldn't post things to the list unless you verify that you actually SAID something! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - If at first you don't succeed, quit. No sense being a damned fool! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe From karlp at ourldsfamily.com Fri Sep 3 05:35:14 2010 From: karlp at ourldsfamily.com (Karl Pearson) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:35:14 -0600 Subject: This is just =?iso-8859-1?Q?amazing=85?= In-Reply-To: References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com> Message-ID: That was Rick responding to someone who joined the group for the sole purpose of advertising a new social networking site that isn't on my list of possibilities. I think that's what it was. On Thu, September 2, 2010 6:57 pm, Landon M. Kelsey, III wrote: > What the heck is this? > > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stevens > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:47 PM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: This is just amazing > > On 09/02/2010 07:27 AM, ankeensah wrote: > (absolutely nothing) > > What's amazing? You shouldn't post things to the list unless you > verify that you actually SAID something! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - If at first you don't succeed, quit. No sense being a damned fool! - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > --- Karl Pearson Karlp at ourldsfamily.com Owner/Administrator of the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. --Benjamin Franklin --- Children seldom misquote you. In fact, they usually repeat word for word what you shouldn't have said. --- From landonmkelsey at hotmail.com Fri Sep 3 13:10:03 2010 From: landonmkelsey at hotmail.com (Landon M. Kelsey, III) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:10:03 -0500 Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?RE:_This_is_just_amazing.?= In-Reply-To: References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com> Message-ID: I was surprised when I stated getting strange photographs and emails from strange individuals. Thought I got out of it weeks ago. -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Karl Pearson Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:35 AM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: RE: This is just amazing. That was Rick responding to someone who joined the group for the sole purpose of advertising a new social networking site that isn't on my list of possibilities. I think that's what it was. On Thu, September 2, 2010 6:57 pm, Landon M. Kelsey, III wrote: > What the heck is this? > > -----Original Message----- > From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stevens > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:47 PM > To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux > Subject: Re: This is just amazing. > > On 09/02/2010 07:27 AM, ankeensah wrote: > (absolutely nothing) > > What's amazing? You shouldn't post things to the list unless you > verify that you actually SAID something! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - If at first you don't succeed, quit. No sense being a damned fool! - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > --- Karl Pearson Karlp at ourldsfamily.com Owner/Administrator of the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. --Benjamin Franklin --- Children seldom misquote you. In fact, they usually repeat word for word what you shouldn't have said. --- _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe From ricks at nerd.com Fri Sep 3 18:10:15 2010 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 11:10:15 -0700 Subject: This is just amazing... In-Reply-To: References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com> Message-ID: <4C813A07.5030105@nerd.com> On 09/02/2010 10:35 PM, Karl Pearson wrote: > That was Rick responding to someone who joined the group for the sole > purpose of advertising a new social networking site that isn't on my list > of possibilities. > > I think that's what it was. Yup., that's what it was. I may bounce the twit off the list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Never test for an error condition you don't know how to handle. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From blann at gte.net Fri Sep 3 20:58:36 2010 From: blann at gte.net (blann) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 10:58:36 -1000 Subject: This is just amazing... References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com> <4C813A07.5030105@nerd.com> Message-ID: <997589278E6540F49D080219C865BBD5@homebf0fb2266c> If I may change the subject and, as usual ask for help (and thanks for past responses): Many moons back I must have damaged my MBR (winXP,FC6). A helpful member sent a cd with ubuntu , and now there is a boot choice(grub) between that OS and XP. I am trying to see if I can restore the grub loader to get into my old FC installation which is likely still on my HD. I have tried my disk1 from FC6 to do a reinstall, it seems to go thru motions, but a revised grub loader does not come up- even tho I get a message during install that boot loader is being installed- and an installation complete msg. Is there a way to repair or replace what I am assuming is a damaged mbr/grub loader due to having turned off a hung up XP with AC button? I have, via generosity of an active member of the group, an FC12 set of install disks; have hesitated running this for fear I would overwrite /home directory, whereas the FC Bible advises that simple re-install of FC6 should not do this. Any comments greatly appreciated! Thanks- Marshall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Stevens" To: "Getting started with Red Hat Linux" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:10 AM Subject: Re: This is just amazing... > On 09/02/2010 10:35 PM, Karl Pearson wrote: >> That was Rick responding to someone who joined the group for the sole >> purpose of advertising a new social networking site that isn't on my list >> of possibilities. >> >> I think that's what it was. > > Yup., that's what it was. I may bounce the twit off the list. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - Never test for an error condition you don't know how to handle. - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > From landonmkelsey at hotmail.com Fri Sep 3 21:22:19 2010 From: landonmkelsey at hotmail.com (Landon M. Kelsey, III) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:22:19 -0500 Subject: This is just amazing... In-Reply-To: <997589278E6540F49D080219C865BBD5@homebf0fb2266c> References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com><4C813A07.5030105@nerd.com> <997589278E6540F49D080219C865BBD5@homebf0fb2266c> Message-ID: First I want to make sure you are getting these. I hope I am disconnected from the social networking mess. -----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of blann Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 3:59 PM To: Getting started with Red Hat Linux Subject: Re: This is just amazing... If I may change the subject and, as usual ask for help (and thanks for past responses): Many moons back I must have damaged my MBR (winXP,FC6). A helpful member sent a cd with ubuntu , and now there is a boot choice(grub) between that OS and XP. I am trying to see if I can restore the grub loader to get into my old FC installation which is likely still on my HD. I have tried my disk1 from FC6 to do a reinstall, it seems to go thru motions, but a revised grub loader does not come up- even tho I get a message during install that boot loader is being installed- and an installation complete msg. Is there a way to repair or replace what I am assuming is a damaged mbr/grub loader due to having turned off a hung up XP with AC button? I have, via generosity of an active member of the group, an FC12 set of install disks; have hesitated running this for fear I would overwrite /home directory, whereas the FC Bible advises that simple re-install of FC6 should not do this. Any comments greatly appreciated! Thanks- Marshall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Stevens" To: "Getting started with Red Hat Linux" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:10 AM Subject: Re: This is just amazing... > On 09/02/2010 10:35 PM, Karl Pearson wrote: >> That was Rick responding to someone who joined the group for the sole >> purpose of advertising a new social networking site that isn't on my list >> of possibilities. >> >> I think that's what it was. > > Yup., that's what it was. I may bounce the twit off the list. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - Never test for an error condition you don't know how to handle. - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe From karlp at ourldsfamily.com Sat Sep 4 21:00:50 2010 From: karlp at ourldsfamily.com (Karl Pearson) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:00:50 -0600 Subject: This is just amazing... In-Reply-To: <997589278E6540F49D080219C865BBD5@homebf0fb2266c> References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com> <4C813A07.5030105@nerd.com> <997589278E6540F49D080219C865BBD5@homebf0fb2266c> Message-ID: Please forgive my top-post, but also forgive my response: If you are going to "If I may change the subject" to us, please actually CHANGE THE SUBJECT (line above). This is called Hijacking A Thread, and isn't very good manners. Now to your email (see below): On Fri, September 3, 2010 2:58 pm, blann wrote: > If I may change the subject and, as usual ask for help (and thanks for > past > responses): > Many moons back I must have damaged my MBR (winXP,FC6). A helpful member > sent a cd with ubuntu , and now there is a boot choice(grub) between that > OS > and XP. fdisk /mbr will 'fix' a broken master boot record so you can boot into WinXP again, though why anyone would without being coerced to, I don't know. > > I am trying to see if I can restore the grub loader to get into my old FC > installation which is likely > still on my HD. I have tried my disk1 from FC6 to do a reinstall, it > seems to go thru motions, > but a revised grub loader does not come up- even tho I get a message > during > install > that boot loader is being installed- and an installation complete msg. When you installed Ubuntu (Linux Mint is much better IMHO), do you remember being asked if you wanted to put it side-by-side with BOTH WinXP and FC? > > Is there a way to repair or replace what I am assuming is a damaged > mbr/grub > loader due to having > turned off a hung up XP with AC button? as I wrote above: fdisk /mbr > > I have, via generosity of an active member of the group, an FC12 set of > install disks; have hesitated > running this for fear I would overwrite /home directory, whereas the FC > Bible advises that simple > re-install of FC6 should not do this. > Any comments greatly appreciated! Thanks- Marshall Any install of FC will overwrite the home directory, unless specifically told not to. What I do in these cases is boot to a "live CD" such as Mint or another Knoppix-like release, then mount the Linux partition, and copy /home/ME to a USB-attached external device, such as a disk or flash drive that's big enough to hold the data. With some distributions, you could even burn your home directory to a DVD. I also recommend not worrying about copying anything other than Documents, etc. Settings are pretty easy to recreate, actually, and you get to use the functionality of the new OS better that way, too. Good luck. Karl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Stevens" > To: "Getting started with Red Hat Linux" > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:10 AM > Subject: Re: This is just amazing... > > >> On 09/02/2010 10:35 PM, Karl Pearson wrote: >>> That was Rick responding to someone who joined the group for the sole >>> purpose of advertising a new social networking site that isn't on my >>> list >>> of possibilities. >>> >>> I think that's what it was. >> >> Yup., that's what it was. I may bounce the twit off the list. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - >> - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - >> - - >> - Never test for an error condition you don't know how to handle. - >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Redhat-install-list mailing list >> Redhat-install-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list >> To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: >> redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com >> Subject: unsubscribe >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > --- Karl Pearson Karlp at ourldsfamily.com Owner/Administrator of the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. --Benjamin Franklin --- Children seldom misquote you. In fact, they usually repeat word for word what you shouldn't have said. --- From blann at gte.net Mon Sep 6 15:53:41 2010 From: blann at gte.net (blann) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 05:53:41 -1000 Subject: This is just amazing...not References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com> <4C813A07.5030105@nerd.com> <997589278E6540F49D080219C865BBD5@homebf0fb2266c> Message-ID: Aloha Karl, Below some answers I may have failed to make in text ( and thanks for your input): ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Pearson" To: "Getting started with Red Hat Linux" Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: Re: This is just amazing... > Please forgive my top-post, but also forgive my response: > > If you are going to "If I may change the subject" to us, please actually > CHANGE THE SUBJECT (line above). > > This is called Hijacking A Thread, and isn't very good manners. > > Now to your email (see below): > > > On Fri, September 3, 2010 2:58 pm, blann wrote: >> If I may change the subject and, as usual ask for help (and thanks for >> past >> responses): >> Many moons back I must have damaged my MBR (winXP,FC6). A helpful member >> sent a cd with ubuntu , and now there is a boot choice(grub) between that >> OS >> and XP. > > fdisk /mbr will 'fix' a broken master boot record so you can boot into > WinXP again, though why anyone would without being coerced to, I don't > know. > >> >> I am trying to see if I can restore the grub loader to get into my old FC >> installation which is likely >> still on my HD. I have tried my disk1 from FC6 to do a reinstall, it >> seems to go thru motions, >> but a revised grub loader does not come up- even tho I get a message >> during >> install >> that boot loader is being installed- and an installation complete msg. > > When you installed Ubuntu (Linux Mint is much better IMHO), do you > remember being asked if you wanted to put it side-by-side with BOTH WinXP > and FC? I DO NOT RECALL_ MY OLD MEMORY IS BAD< BUT AT STARTUP A GRUB LOADER APPEARS< IT CONTAINS UBUNTU,WINXP, UBUNTU RESCUE, AND A COUPLE OF MEMORY CHECK OPTIONS. SO THE 'LIVE UBUNTU' SEEMS MOUNTED WITH WINXP OPTION. The HD organization coming up shows a /dev/hdb with hdb1 ext3(102mb), and hdb2 LVM PV (117138 mb)- and /dev/sda with sda1-3 and 5-7 partitions,ntfs,ext3,extended,ntfs, ext3,swap partitions. I need now after some years to go back and review my partitions to ID. > >> >> Is there a way to repair or replace what I am assuming is a damaged >> mbr/grub >> loader due to having >> turned off a hung up XP with AC button? > > as I wrote above: fdisk /mbr FDISK sounds like what I may have used years ago to repartition; is it on disk 1 of my FC6 install? > >> >> I have, via generosity of an active member of the group, an FC12 set of >> install disks; have hesitated >> running this for fear I would overwrite /home directory, whereas the FC >> Bible advises that simple >> re-install of FC6 should not do this. >> Any comments greatly appreciated! Thanks- Marshall > > Any install of FC will overwrite the home directory, unless specifically > told not to. What I do in these cases is boot to a "live CD" such as Mint > or another Knoppix-like release, then mount the Linux partition, and copy > /home/ME to a USB-attached external device, such as a disk or flash drive > that's big enough to hold the data. With some distributions, you could > even burn your home directory to a DVD. I also recommend not worrying > about copying anything other than Documents, etc. Settings are pretty easy > to recreate, actually, and you get to use the functionality of the new OS > better that way, too. > BETWEEN COMPUTER IN SD AND SOME USB"S I LIKELY HAVE HOME DIRECTORY BACKED UP- SO MAYBE I'LL GAMBLE. Thanks again for your help on this- best wishes,Marshall > Good luck. > > Karl > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick Stevens" >> To: "Getting started with Red Hat Linux" >> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:10 AM >> Subject: Re: This is just amazing... >> >> >>> On 09/02/2010 10:35 PM, Karl Pearson wrote: >>>> That was Rick responding to someone who joined the group for the sole >>>> purpose of advertising a new social networking site that isn't on my >>>> list >>>> of possibilities. >>>> >>>> I think that's what it was. >>> >>> Yup., that's what it was. I may bounce the twit off the list. >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - >>> - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - >>> - - >>> - Never test for an error condition you don't know how to handle. - >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Redhat-install-list mailing list >>> Redhat-install-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list >>> To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: >>> redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com >>> Subject: unsubscribe >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Redhat-install-list mailing list >> Redhat-install-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list >> To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: >> redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com >> Subject: unsubscribe >> > > > --- > Karl Pearson > Karlp at ourldsfamily.com > Owner/Administrator of the sites at > http://ourldsfamily.com > --- > "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; > to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." > --- > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have > for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. > --Benjamin Franklin > --- > Children seldom misquote you. In fact, they usually > repeat word for word what you shouldn't have said. > --- > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > From karlp at ourldsfamily.com Tue Sep 7 05:45:42 2010 From: karlp at ourldsfamily.com (Karl Pearson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:45:42 -0600 Subject: Lost FC6 Partition (was Re: This is just amazing...not) In-Reply-To: References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com> <4C813A07.5030105@nerd.com> <997589278E6540F49D080219C865BBD5@homebf0fb2266c> Message-ID: <9a788ec7e975b8e6f4872f59d7fae964.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> On Mon, September 6, 2010 9:53 am, blann wrote: > Aloha Karl, > Below some answers I may have failed to make in text ( and thanks for > your > input): > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karl Pearson" > To: "Getting started with Red Hat Linux" > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 11:00 AM > Subject: Re: This is just amazing... > > >> Please forgive my top-post, but also forgive my response: >> >> If you are going to "If I may change the subject" to us, please actually >> CHANGE THE SUBJECT (line above). >> >> This is called Hijacking A Thread, and isn't very good manners. >> >> Now to your email (see below): >> >> >> On Fri, September 3, 2010 2:58 pm, blann wrote: >>> If I may change the subject and, as usual ask for help (and thanks for >>> past >>> responses): >>> Many moons back I must have damaged my MBR (winXP,FC6). A helpful >>> member >>> sent a cd with ubuntu , and now there is a boot choice(grub) between >>> that >>> OS >>> and XP. >> >> fdisk /mbr will 'fix' a broken master boot record so you can boot into >> WinXP again, though why anyone would without being coerced to, I don't >> know. >> >>> >>> I am trying to see if I can restore the grub loader to get into my old >>> FC >>> installation which is likely >>> still on my HD. I have tried my disk1 from FC6 to do a reinstall, it >>> seems to go thru motions, >>> but a revised grub loader does not come up- even tho I get a message >>> during >>> install >>> that boot loader is being installed- and an installation complete msg. >> >> When you installed Ubuntu (Linux Mint is much better IMHO), do you >> remember being asked if you wanted to put it side-by-side with BOTH >> WinXP >> and FC? > I DO NOT RECALL_ MY OLD MEMORY IS BAD< BUT AT STARTUP A GRUB > LOADER APPEARS< IT CONTAINS UBUNTU,WINXP, UBUNTU RESCUE, AND > A COUPLE OF MEMORY CHECK OPTIONS. SO THE 'LIVE UBUNTU' SEEMS MOUNTED > WITH WINXP OPTION. The HD organization coming up shows a /dev/hdb with > hdb1 > ext3(102mb), > and hdb2 LVM PV (117138 mb)- and /dev/sda with sda1-3 and 5-7 > partitions,ntfs,ext3,extended,ntfs, > ext3,swap partitions. I need now after some years to go back and review my > partitions to ID. If you are seeing Grub, then you aren't booting from a Live CD, which you would have to do to use the disk tools necessary to see what partitions can be found. I suspect, sadly, that your FC6 partition was over-written by the Ubuntu install. >> >>> >>> Is there a way to repair or replace what I am assuming is a damaged >>> mbr/grub >>> loader due to having >>> turned off a hung up XP with AC button? >> >> as I wrote above: fdisk /mbr > FDISK sounds like what I may have used years ago to repartition; is it on > disk 1 of my FC6 > install? I doubt it. FC6 wasn't a live CD. You can use fdisk from any version of Linux to see the partition table, however, and that may be what you need to do. Just run Ubuntu and run fdisk as root (sudo fdisk should work). If you have more than one hard disk in the PC, you will want to run it against each disk to see what partitions. FC6 defaulted to ext3, I believe (that may have been FC8???). Rick will know for sure, as well as a few others on this list. It's been a while since I happened on an FC6 install to check. In any case, I would recommend that if you are going to use a multiple-OS PC, that you get a new hard disk for each OS, unless you know you'll be using one very sparingly. If that's the case, just run that OS in VirtualBox and be done with it. That's how I run XP at work and home. I think I boot them up about once a week, or less. >> >>> >>> I have, via generosity of an active member of the group, an FC12 set of >>> install disks; have hesitated >>> running this for fear I would overwrite /home directory, whereas the FC >>> Bible advises that simple >>> re-install of FC6 should not do this. >>> Any comments greatly appreciated! Thanks- Marshall You can always download new ISOs from any distributions downloads page, and burn them to DVDs or CDs and take them for a test drive. I use CentOS and FC9 on my servers, and Linux Mint (a derivative of Ubuntu, without all the restrictions) for my desktops and laptop. Karl >> >> Any install of FC will overwrite the home directory, unless specifically >> told not to. What I do in these cases is boot to a "live CD" such as >> Mint >> or another Knoppix-like release, then mount the Linux partition, and >> copy >> /home/ME to a USB-attached external device, such as a disk or flash >> drive >> that's big enough to hold the data. With some distributions, you could >> even burn your home directory to a DVD. I also recommend not worrying >> about copying anything other than Documents, etc. Settings are pretty >> easy >> to recreate, actually, and you get to use the functionality of the new >> OS >> better that way, too. >> BETWEEN COMPUTER IN SD AND SOME USB"S I LIKELY HAVE HOME > DIRECTORY BACKED UP- SO MAYBE I'LL GAMBLE. > > Thanks again for your help on this- best wishes,Marshall > > > > From ricks at nerd.com Tue Sep 7 17:17:42 2010 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 10:17:42 -0700 Subject: Lost FC6 Partition (was Re: This is just amazing...not) In-Reply-To: <9a788ec7e975b8e6f4872f59d7fae964.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com> <4C813A07.5030105@nerd.com> <997589278E6540F49D080219C865BBD5@homebf0fb2266c> <9a788ec7e975b8e6f4872f59d7fae964.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> Message-ID: <4C8673B6.60102@nerd.com> On 09/06/2010 10:45 PM, Karl Pearson wrote: > On Mon, September 6, 2010 9:53 am, blann wrote: >> Aloha Karl, >> Below some answers I may have failed to make in text ( and thanks for >> your >> input): >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karl Pearson" >> To: "Getting started with Red Hat Linux" >> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 11:00 AM >> Subject: Re: This is just amazing... >> >> >>> Please forgive my top-post, but also forgive my response: >>> >>> If you are going to "If I may change the subject" to us, please actually >>> CHANGE THE SUBJECT (line above). >>> >>> This is called Hijacking A Thread, and isn't very good manners. >>> >>> Now to your email (see below): >>> >>> >>> On Fri, September 3, 2010 2:58 pm, blann wrote: >>>> If I may change the subject and, as usual ask for help (and thanks for >>>> past >>>> responses): >>>> Many moons back I must have damaged my MBR (winXP,FC6). A helpful >>>> member >>>> sent a cd with ubuntu , and now there is a boot choice(grub) between >>>> that >>>> OS >>>> and XP. >>> >>> fdisk /mbr will 'fix' a broken master boot record so you can boot into >>> WinXP again, though why anyone would without being coerced to, I don't >>> know. >>> >>>> >>>> I am trying to see if I can restore the grub loader to get into my old >>>> FC >>>> installation which is likely >>>> still on my HD. I have tried my disk1 from FC6 to do a reinstall, it >>>> seems to go thru motions, >>>> but a revised grub loader does not come up- even tho I get a message >>>> during >>>> install >>>> that boot loader is being installed- and an installation complete msg. >>> >>> When you installed Ubuntu (Linux Mint is much better IMHO), do you >>> remember being asked if you wanted to put it side-by-side with BOTH >>> WinXP >>> and FC? >> I DO NOT RECALL_ MY OLD MEMORY IS BAD< BUT AT STARTUP A GRUB >> LOADER APPEARS< IT CONTAINS UBUNTU,WINXP, UBUNTU RESCUE, AND >> A COUPLE OF MEMORY CHECK OPTIONS. SO THE 'LIVE UBUNTU' SEEMS MOUNTED >> WITH WINXP OPTION. The HD organization coming up shows a /dev/hdb with >> hdb1 >> ext3(102mb), >> and hdb2 LVM PV (117138 mb)- and /dev/sda with sda1-3 and 5-7 >> partitions,ntfs,ext3,extended,ntfs, >> ext3,swap partitions. I need now after some years to go back and review my >> partitions to ID. > > If you are seeing Grub, then you aren't booting from a Live CD, which you > would have to do to use the disk tools necessary to see what partitions > can be found. > > I suspect, sadly, that your FC6 partition was over-written by the Ubuntu > install. > > >>> >>>> >>>> Is there a way to repair or replace what I am assuming is a damaged >>>> mbr/grub >>>> loader due to having >>>> turned off a hung up XP with AC button? >>> >>> as I wrote above: fdisk /mbr >> FDISK sounds like what I may have used years ago to repartition; is it on >> disk 1 of my FC6 >> install? > > I doubt it. FC6 wasn't a live CD. You can use fdisk from any version of > Linux to see the partition table, however, and that may be what you need > to do. > > Just run Ubuntu and run fdisk as root (sudo fdisk should work). If you > have more than one hard disk in the PC, you will want to run it against > each disk to see what partitions. > > FC6 defaulted to ext3, I believe (that may have been FC8???). Rick will > know for sure, as well as a few others on this list. It's been a while > since I happened on an FC6 install to check. > > In any case, I would recommend that if you are going to use a multiple-OS > PC, that you get a new hard disk for each OS, unless you know you'll be > using one very sparingly. If that's the case, just run that OS in > VirtualBox and be done with it. That's how I run XP at work and home. I > think I boot them up about once a week, or less. > >>> >>>> >>>> I have, via generosity of an active member of the group, an FC12 set of >>>> install disks; have hesitated >>>> running this for fear I would overwrite /home directory, whereas the FC >>>> Bible advises that simple >>>> re-install of FC6 should not do this. >>>> Any comments greatly appreciated! Thanks- Marshall > > You can always download new ISOs from any distributions downloads page, > and burn them to DVDs or CDs and take them for a test drive. I use CentOS > and FC9 on my servers, and Linux Mint (a derivative of Ubuntu, without all > the restrictions) for my desktops and laptop. > > Karl > >>> >>> Any install of FC will overwrite the home directory, unless specifically >>> told not to. What I do in these cases is boot to a "live CD" such as >>> Mint >>> or another Knoppix-like release, then mount the Linux partition, and >>> copy >>> /home/ME to a USB-attached external device, such as a disk or flash >>> drive >>> that's big enough to hold the data. With some distributions, you could >>> even burn your home directory to a DVD. I also recommend not worrying >>> about copying anything other than Documents, etc. Settings are pretty >>> easy >>> to recreate, actually, and you get to use the functionality of the new >>> OS >>> better that way, too. >>> BETWEEN COMPUTER IN SD AND SOME USB"S I LIKELY HAVE HOME >> DIRECTORY BACKED UP- SO MAYBE I'LL GAMBLE. >> >> Thanks again for your help on this- best wishes,Marshall It was I who sent a bunch of CDs to you, Blann. And you sent me return postage. Not at all necessary, but kudos to you! Anyway, FC6 defaults to ext2 filesystems and, if you used logical volumes, LVM1. A live CD of a more current system may not see your items because of that (FC8 and later went to ext3 and LVM2). If you have a CD of FC6, try booting that in rescue mode and see if it spots your FC6 installation. If it does, let it mount it (it'll be mounted at /mnt/sysimage). You can then "chroot /mnt/sysimage" and try to reinstall grub to your MBR at that point. Note that this will screw up your existing MBR, so back that up before doing this. To back up the MBR, put some removable, writable media in your machine somewhere and copy the first block of your boot drive to it using dd: dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/removable/media/mbr.bak bs=512 count=1 If you can't find appropriate bootable FC6 media, (rummaging through my stock of CDs and HD archives of ISO images), I have copies of every Fedora release. To be honest, several I only have DVD images of some of them, but I can make copies and shoot them to you as I did before. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Trying to make digital files uncopyable is like trying to make - - water not wet. -- Bruce Schneier - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From blann at gte.net Wed Sep 8 13:24:53 2010 From: blann at gte.net (blann) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:24:53 -1000 Subject: Lost FC6 Partition (was Re: This is just amazing...not) References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com> <4C813A07.5030105@nerd.com> <997589278E6540F49D080219C865BBD5@homebf0fb2266c> <9a788ec7e975b8e6f4872f59d7fae964.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <4C8673B6.60102@nerd.com> Message-ID: I tried going thru steps in an earlier reply from a link given to archive by gonzalo76 on this topic. Had problems with the grub> root(hd0,x) commands. Finally went to the Fedora12 DVD kindly sent awhile back by a kind forum member. The install went extremely smoothly. I lost home directory files, but will add from back-up. Of importance to me, the FORTRAN compiler is there and working on files imported from a USB. I think that this LINUX system is up and working (and the winXP boots fine) and thank those who offered help on this. Best wishes to all- always a great group of folks generous with your time- best wishes,Marshall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Stevens" To: "Getting started with Red Hat Linux" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Lost FC6 Partition (was Re: This is just amazing...not) > On 09/06/2010 10:45 PM, Karl Pearson wrote: >> On Mon, September 6, 2010 9:53 am, blann wrote: >>> Aloha Karl, >>> Below some answers I may have failed to make in text ( and thanks for >>> your >>> input): >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Karl Pearson" >>> To: "Getting started with Red Hat Linux" >>> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 11:00 AM >>> Subject: Re: This is just amazing... >>> >>> >>>> Please forgive my top-post, but also forgive my response: >>>> >>>> If you are going to "If I may change the subject" to us, please >>>> actually >>>> CHANGE THE SUBJECT (line above). >>>> >>>> This is called Hijacking A Thread, and isn't very good manners. >>>> >>>> Now to your email (see below): >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, September 3, 2010 2:58 pm, blann wrote: >>>>> If I may change the subject and, as usual ask for help (and thanks for >>>>> past >>>>> responses): >>>>> Many moons back I must have damaged my MBR (winXP,FC6). A helpful >>>>> member >>>>> sent a cd with ubuntu , and now there is a boot choice(grub) between >>>>> that >>>>> OS >>>>> and XP. >>>> >>>> fdisk /mbr will 'fix' a broken master boot record so you can boot into >>>> WinXP again, though why anyone would without being coerced to, I don't >>>> know. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am trying to see if I can restore the grub loader to get into my old >>>>> FC >>>>> installation which is likely >>>>> still on my HD. I have tried my disk1 from FC6 to do a reinstall, it >>>>> seems to go thru motions, >>>>> but a revised grub loader does not come up- even tho I get a message >>>>> during >>>>> install >>>>> that boot loader is being installed- and an installation complete msg. >>>> >>>> When you installed Ubuntu (Linux Mint is much better IMHO), do you >>>> remember being asked if you wanted to put it side-by-side with BOTH >>>> WinXP >>>> and FC? >>> I DO NOT RECALL_ MY OLD MEMORY IS BAD< BUT AT STARTUP A GRUB >>> LOADER APPEARS< IT CONTAINS UBUNTU,WINXP, UBUNTU RESCUE, AND >>> A COUPLE OF MEMORY CHECK OPTIONS. SO THE 'LIVE UBUNTU' SEEMS MOUNTED >>> WITH WINXP OPTION. The HD organization coming up shows a /dev/hdb with >>> hdb1 >>> ext3(102mb), >>> and hdb2 LVM PV (117138 mb)- and /dev/sda with sda1-3 and 5-7 >>> partitions,ntfs,ext3,extended,ntfs, >>> ext3,swap partitions. I need now after some years to go back and review >>> my >>> partitions to ID. >> >> If you are seeing Grub, then you aren't booting from a Live CD, which you >> would have to do to use the disk tools necessary to see what partitions >> can be found. >> >> I suspect, sadly, that your FC6 partition was over-written by the Ubuntu >> install. >> >> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to repair or replace what I am assuming is a damaged >>>>> mbr/grub >>>>> loader due to having >>>>> turned off a hung up XP with AC button? >>>> >>>> as I wrote above: fdisk /mbr >>> FDISK sounds like what I may have used years ago to repartition; is it >>> on >>> disk 1 of my FC6 >>> install? >> >> I doubt it. FC6 wasn't a live CD. You can use fdisk from any version of >> Linux to see the partition table, however, and that may be what you need >> to do. >> >> Just run Ubuntu and run fdisk as root (sudo fdisk should work). If you >> have more than one hard disk in the PC, you will want to run it against >> each disk to see what partitions. >> >> FC6 defaulted to ext3, I believe (that may have been FC8???). Rick will >> know for sure, as well as a few others on this list. It's been a while >> since I happened on an FC6 install to check. >> >> In any case, I would recommend that if you are going to use a multiple-OS >> PC, that you get a new hard disk for each OS, unless you know you'll be >> using one very sparingly. If that's the case, just run that OS in >> VirtualBox and be done with it. That's how I run XP at work and home. I >> think I boot them up about once a week, or less. >> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have, via generosity of an active member of the group, an FC12 set >>>>> of >>>>> install disks; have hesitated >>>>> running this for fear I would overwrite /home directory, whereas the >>>>> FC >>>>> Bible advises that simple >>>>> re-install of FC6 should not do this. >>>>> Any comments greatly appreciated! Thanks- Marshall >> >> You can always download new ISOs from any distributions downloads page, >> and burn them to DVDs or CDs and take them for a test drive. I use CentOS >> and FC9 on my servers, and Linux Mint (a derivative of Ubuntu, without >> all >> the restrictions) for my desktops and laptop. >> >> Karl >> >>>> >>>> Any install of FC will overwrite the home directory, unless >>>> specifically >>>> told not to. What I do in these cases is boot to a "live CD" such as >>>> Mint >>>> or another Knoppix-like release, then mount the Linux partition, and >>>> copy >>>> /home/ME to a USB-attached external device, such as a disk or flash >>>> drive >>>> that's big enough to hold the data. With some distributions, you could >>>> even burn your home directory to a DVD. I also recommend not worrying >>>> about copying anything other than Documents, etc. Settings are pretty >>>> easy >>>> to recreate, actually, and you get to use the functionality of the new >>>> OS >>>> better that way, too. >>>> BETWEEN COMPUTER IN SD AND SOME USB"S I LIKELY HAVE HOME >>> DIRECTORY BACKED UP- SO MAYBE I'LL GAMBLE. >>> >>> Thanks again for your help on this- best wishes,Marshall > > It was I who sent a bunch of CDs to you, Blann. And you sent me return > postage. Not at all necessary, but kudos to you! > > Anyway, FC6 defaults to ext2 filesystems and, if you used logical volumes, > LVM1. A live CD of a more current system may not see your > items because of that (FC8 and later went to ext3 and LVM2). > > If you have a CD of FC6, try booting that in rescue mode and see if it > spots your FC6 installation. If it does, let it mount it (it'll be > mounted at /mnt/sysimage). You can then "chroot /mnt/sysimage" and > try to reinstall grub to your MBR at that point. Note that this will > screw up your existing MBR, so back that up before doing this. To > back up the MBR, put some removable, writable media in your machine > somewhere and copy the first block of your boot drive to it using dd: > > dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/removable/media/mbr.bak bs=512 count=1 > > If you can't find appropriate bootable FC6 media, (rummaging through my > stock of CDs and HD archives of ISO images), I have copies of every > Fedora release. To be honest, several I only have DVD images of some > of them, but I can make copies and shoot them to you as I did before. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - Trying to make digital files uncopyable is like trying to make - > - water not wet. -- Bruce Schneier - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > From landonmkelsey at hotmail.com Wed Sep 8 05:08:30 2010 From: landonmkelsey at hotmail.com (landon kelsey) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:08:30 -0500 Subject: Lost FC6 Partition (was Re: This is just amazing...not) In-Reply-To: References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com>, , , <4C813A07.5030105@nerd.com> <997589278E6540F49D080219C865BBD5@homebf0fb2266c>, , , <9a788ec7e975b8e6f4872f59d7fae964.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com>, <4C8673B6.60102@nerd.com>, Message-ID: lost access? Create a Fedora version on a DVD and boot to it then you may be able to access your "lost" files OR even after chroot /mnt/sysimage, look for the files and copy to some medium or maybe even ftp WOW Haven't done FORTRAN since the early 90s > From: blann at gte.net > To: redhat-install-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Lost FC6 Partition (was Re: This is just amazing...not) > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 03:24:53 -1000 > > I tried going thru steps in an earlier reply from a link given to archive by > gonzalo76 on this topic. Had problems with the > grub> root(hd0,x) commands. > Finally went to the Fedora12 DVD kindly sent awhile back by a kind forum > member. The install went extremely smoothly. > I lost home directory files, but will add from back-up. Of importance to me, > the FORTRAN compiler is there and working > on files imported from a USB. I think that this LINUX system is up and > working (and the winXP boots fine) and thank those > who offered help on this. Best wishes to all- always a great group of folks > generous with your time- best wishes,Marshall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Stevens" > To: "Getting started with Red Hat Linux" > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 7:17 AM > Subject: Re: Lost FC6 Partition (was Re: This is just amazing...not) > > > > On 09/06/2010 10:45 PM, Karl Pearson wrote: > >> On Mon, September 6, 2010 9:53 am, blann wrote: > >>> Aloha Karl, > >>> Below some answers I may have failed to make in text ( and thanks for > >>> your > >>> input): > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Karl Pearson" > >>> To: "Getting started with Red Hat Linux" > >>> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 11:00 AM > >>> Subject: Re: This is just amazing... > >>> > >>> > >>>> Please forgive my top-post, but also forgive my response: > >>>> > >>>> If you are going to "If I may change the subject" to us, please > >>>> actually > >>>> CHANGE THE SUBJECT (line above). > >>>> > >>>> This is called Hijacking A Thread, and isn't very good manners. > >>>> > >>>> Now to your email (see below): > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, September 3, 2010 2:58 pm, blann wrote: > >>>>> If I may change the subject and, as usual ask for help (and thanks for > >>>>> past > >>>>> responses): > >>>>> Many moons back I must have damaged my MBR (winXP,FC6). A helpful > >>>>> member > >>>>> sent a cd with ubuntu , and now there is a boot choice(grub) between > >>>>> that > >>>>> OS > >>>>> and XP. > >>>> > >>>> fdisk /mbr will 'fix' a broken master boot record so you can boot into > >>>> WinXP again, though why anyone would without being coerced to, I don't > >>>> know. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I am trying to see if I can restore the grub loader to get into my old > >>>>> FC > >>>>> installation which is likely > >>>>> still on my HD. I have tried my disk1 from FC6 to do a reinstall, it > >>>>> seems to go thru motions, > >>>>> but a revised grub loader does not come up- even tho I get a message > >>>>> during > >>>>> install > >>>>> that boot loader is being installed- and an installation complete msg. > >>>> > >>>> When you installed Ubuntu (Linux Mint is much better IMHO), do you > >>>> remember being asked if you wanted to put it side-by-side with BOTH > >>>> WinXP > >>>> and FC? > >>> I DO NOT RECALL_ MY OLD MEMORY IS BAD< BUT AT STARTUP A GRUB > >>> LOADER APPEARS< IT CONTAINS UBUNTU,WINXP, UBUNTU RESCUE, AND > >>> A COUPLE OF MEMORY CHECK OPTIONS. SO THE 'LIVE UBUNTU' SEEMS MOUNTED > >>> WITH WINXP OPTION. The HD organization coming up shows a /dev/hdb with > >>> hdb1 > >>> ext3(102mb), > >>> and hdb2 LVM PV (117138 mb)- and /dev/sda with sda1-3 and 5-7 > >>> partitions,ntfs,ext3,extended,ntfs, > >>> ext3,swap partitions. I need now after some years to go back and review > >>> my > >>> partitions to ID. > >> > >> If you are seeing Grub, then you aren't booting from a Live CD, which you > >> would have to do to use the disk tools necessary to see what partitions > >> can be found. > >> > >> I suspect, sadly, that your FC6 partition was over-written by the Ubuntu > >> install. > >> > >> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Is there a way to repair or replace what I am assuming is a damaged > >>>>> mbr/grub > >>>>> loader due to having > >>>>> turned off a hung up XP with AC button? > >>>> > >>>> as I wrote above: fdisk /mbr > >>> FDISK sounds like what I may have used years ago to repartition; is it > >>> on > >>> disk 1 of my FC6 > >>> install? > >> > >> I doubt it. FC6 wasn't a live CD. You can use fdisk from any version of > >> Linux to see the partition table, however, and that may be what you need > >> to do. > >> > >> Just run Ubuntu and run fdisk as root (sudo fdisk should work). If you > >> have more than one hard disk in the PC, you will want to run it against > >> each disk to see what partitions. > >> > >> FC6 defaulted to ext3, I believe (that may have been FC8???). Rick will > >> know for sure, as well as a few others on this list. It's been a while > >> since I happened on an FC6 install to check. > >> > >> In any case, I would recommend that if you are going to use a multiple-OS > >> PC, that you get a new hard disk for each OS, unless you know you'll be > >> using one very sparingly. If that's the case, just run that OS in > >> VirtualBox and be done with it. That's how I run XP at work and home. I > >> think I boot them up about once a week, or less. > >> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I have, via generosity of an active member of the group, an FC12 set > >>>>> of > >>>>> install disks; have hesitated > >>>>> running this for fear I would overwrite /home directory, whereas the > >>>>> FC > >>>>> Bible advises that simple > >>>>> re-install of FC6 should not do this. > >>>>> Any comments greatly appreciated! Thanks- Marshall > >> > >> You can always download new ISOs from any distributions downloads page, > >> and burn them to DVDs or CDs and take them for a test drive. I use CentOS > >> and FC9 on my servers, and Linux Mint (a derivative of Ubuntu, without > >> all > >> the restrictions) for my desktops and laptop. > >> > >> Karl > >> > >>>> > >>>> Any install of FC will overwrite the home directory, unless > >>>> specifically > >>>> told not to. What I do in these cases is boot to a "live CD" such as > >>>> Mint > >>>> or another Knoppix-like release, then mount the Linux partition, and > >>>> copy > >>>> /home/ME to a USB-attached external device, such as a disk or flash > >>>> drive > >>>> that's big enough to hold the data. With some distributions, you could > >>>> even burn your home directory to a DVD. I also recommend not worrying > >>>> about copying anything other than Documents, etc. Settings are pretty > >>>> easy > >>>> to recreate, actually, and you get to use the functionality of the new > >>>> OS > >>>> better that way, too. > >>>> BETWEEN COMPUTER IN SD AND SOME USB"S I LIKELY HAVE HOME > >>> DIRECTORY BACKED UP- SO MAYBE I'LL GAMBLE. > >>> > >>> Thanks again for your help on this- best wishes,Marshall > > > > It was I who sent a bunch of CDs to you, Blann. And you sent me return > > postage. Not at all necessary, but kudos to you! > > > > Anyway, FC6 defaults to ext2 filesystems and, if you used logical volumes, > > LVM1. A live CD of a more current system may not see your > > items because of that (FC8 and later went to ext3 and LVM2). > > > > If you have a CD of FC6, try booting that in rescue mode and see if it > > spots your FC6 installation. If it does, let it mount it (it'll be > > mounted at /mnt/sysimage). You can then "chroot /mnt/sysimage" and > > try to reinstall grub to your MBR at that point. Note that this will > > screw up your existing MBR, so back that up before doing this. To > > back up the MBR, put some removable, writable media in your machine > > somewhere and copy the first block of your boot drive to it using dd: > > > > dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/removable/media/mbr.bak bs=512 count=1 > > > > If you can't find appropriate bootable FC6 media, (rummaging through my > > stock of CDs and HD archives of ISO images), I have copies of every > > Fedora release. To be honest, several I only have DVD images of some > > of them, but I can make copies and shoot them to you as I did before. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - > > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > > - - > > - Trying to make digital files uncopyable is like trying to make - > > - water not wet. -- Bruce Schneier - > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Redhat-install-list mailing list > > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > > Subject: unsubscribe > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From landonmkelsey at hotmail.com Wed Sep 8 05:12:22 2010 From: landonmkelsey at hotmail.com (landon kelsey) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:12:22 -0500 Subject: Lost FC6 Partition (was Re: This is just amazing...not) In-Reply-To: References: <20100902142756.9474.qmail@zorpia.com> <4C7FFF4D.8050301@nerd.com>, , , <4C813A07.5030105@nerd.com> <997589278E6540F49D080219C865BBD5@homebf0fb2266c>, , , <9a788ec7e975b8e6f4872f59d7fae964.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com>, <4C8673B6.60102@nerd.com>, Message-ID: ooops! I meant create a fedora version on a flash drive and boot to it > From: blann at gte.net > To: redhat-install-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Lost FC6 Partition (was Re: This is just amazing...not) > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 03:24:53 -1000 > > I tried going thru steps in an earlier reply from a link given to archive by > gonzalo76 on this topic. Had problems with the > grub> root(hd0,x) commands. > Finally went to the Fedora12 DVD kindly sent awhile back by a kind forum > member. The install went extremely smoothly. > I lost home directory files, but will add from back-up. Of importance to me, > the FORTRAN compiler is there and working > on files imported from a USB. I think that this LINUX system is up and > working (and the winXP boots fine) and thank those > who offered help on this. Best wishes to all- always a great group of folks > generous with your time- best wishes,Marshall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Stevens" > To: "Getting started with Red Hat Linux" > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 7:17 AM > Subject: Re: Lost FC6 Partition (was Re: This is just amazing...not) > > > > On 09/06/2010 10:45 PM, Karl Pearson wrote: > >> On Mon, September 6, 2010 9:53 am, blann wrote: > >>> Aloha Karl, > >>> Below some answers I may have failed to make in text ( and thanks for > >>> your > >>> input): > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Karl Pearson" > >>> To: "Getting started with Red Hat Linux" > >>> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 11:00 AM > >>> Subject: Re: This is just amazing... > >>> > >>> > >>>> Please forgive my top-post, but also forgive my response: > >>>> > >>>> If you are going to "If I may change the subject" to us, please > >>>> actually > >>>> CHANGE THE SUBJECT (line above). > >>>> > >>>> This is called Hijacking A Thread, and isn't very good manners. > >>>> > >>>> Now to your email (see below): > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, September 3, 2010 2:58 pm, blann wrote: > >>>>> If I may change the subject and, as usual ask for help (and thanks for > >>>>> past > >>>>> responses): > >>>>> Many moons back I must have damaged my MBR (winXP,FC6). A helpful > >>>>> member > >>>>> sent a cd with ubuntu , and now there is a boot choice(grub) between > >>>>> that > >>>>> OS > >>>>> and XP. > >>>> > >>>> fdisk /mbr will 'fix' a broken master boot record so you can boot into > >>>> WinXP again, though why anyone would without being coerced to, I don't > >>>> know. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I am trying to see if I can restore the grub loader to get into my old > >>>>> FC > >>>>> installation which is likely > >>>>> still on my HD. I have tried my disk1 from FC6 to do a reinstall, it > >>>>> seems to go thru motions, > >>>>> but a revised grub loader does not come up- even tho I get a message > >>>>> during > >>>>> install > >>>>> that boot loader is being installed- and an installation complete msg. > >>>> > >>>> When you installed Ubuntu (Linux Mint is much better IMHO), do you > >>>> remember being asked if you wanted to put it side-by-side with BOTH > >>>> WinXP > >>>> and FC? > >>> I DO NOT RECALL_ MY OLD MEMORY IS BAD< BUT AT STARTUP A GRUB > >>> LOADER APPEARS< IT CONTAINS UBUNTU,WINXP, UBUNTU RESCUE, AND > >>> A COUPLE OF MEMORY CHECK OPTIONS. SO THE 'LIVE UBUNTU' SEEMS MOUNTED > >>> WITH WINXP OPTION. The HD organization coming up shows a /dev/hdb with > >>> hdb1 > >>> ext3(102mb), > >>> and hdb2 LVM PV (117138 mb)- and /dev/sda with sda1-3 and 5-7 > >>> partitions,ntfs,ext3,extended,ntfs, > >>> ext3,swap partitions. I need now after some years to go back and review > >>> my > >>> partitions to ID. > >> > >> If you are seeing Grub, then you aren't booting from a Live CD, which you > >> would have to do to use the disk tools necessary to see what partitions > >> can be found. > >> > >> I suspect, sadly, that your FC6 partition was over-written by the Ubuntu > >> install. > >> > >> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Is there a way to repair or replace what I am assuming is a damaged > >>>>> mbr/grub > >>>>> loader due to having > >>>>> turned off a hung up XP with AC button? > >>>> > >>>> as I wrote above: fdisk /mbr > >>> FDISK sounds like what I may have used years ago to repartition; is it > >>> on > >>> disk 1 of my FC6 > >>> install? > >> > >> I doubt it. FC6 wasn't a live CD. You can use fdisk from any version of > >> Linux to see the partition table, however, and that may be what you need > >> to do. > >> > >> Just run Ubuntu and run fdisk as root (sudo fdisk should work). If you > >> have more than one hard disk in the PC, you will want to run it against > >> each disk to see what partitions. > >> > >> FC6 defaulted to ext3, I believe (that may have been FC8???). Rick will > >> know for sure, as well as a few others on this list. It's been a while > >> since I happened on an FC6 install to check. > >> > >> In any case, I would recommend that if you are going to use a multiple-OS > >> PC, that you get a new hard disk for each OS, unless you know you'll be > >> using one very sparingly. If that's the case, just run that OS in > >> VirtualBox and be done with it. That's how I run XP at work and home. I > >> think I boot them up about once a week, or less. > >> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I have, via generosity of an active member of the group, an FC12 set > >>>>> of > >>>>> install disks; have hesitated > >>>>> running this for fear I would overwrite /home directory, whereas the > >>>>> FC > >>>>> Bible advises that simple > >>>>> re-install of FC6 should not do this. > >>>>> Any comments greatly appreciated! Thanks- Marshall > >> > >> You can always download new ISOs from any distributions downloads page, > >> and burn them to DVDs or CDs and take them for a test drive. I use CentOS > >> and FC9 on my servers, and Linux Mint (a derivative of Ubuntu, without > >> all > >> the restrictions) for my desktops and laptop. > >> > >> Karl > >> > >>>> > >>>> Any install of FC will overwrite the home directory, unless > >>>> specifically > >>>> told not to. What I do in these cases is boot to a "live CD" such as > >>>> Mint > >>>> or another Knoppix-like release, then mount the Linux partition, and > >>>> copy > >>>> /home/ME to a USB-attached external device, such as a disk or flash > >>>> drive > >>>> that's big enough to hold the data. With some distributions, you could > >>>> even burn your home directory to a DVD. I also recommend not worrying > >>>> about copying anything other than Documents, etc. Settings are pretty > >>>> easy > >>>> to recreate, actually, and you get to use the functionality of the new > >>>> OS > >>>> better that way, too. > >>>> BETWEEN COMPUTER IN SD AND SOME USB"S I LIKELY HAVE HOME > >>> DIRECTORY BACKED UP- SO MAYBE I'LL GAMBLE. > >>> > >>> Thanks again for your help on this- best wishes,Marshall > > > > It was I who sent a bunch of CDs to you, Blann. And you sent me return > > postage. Not at all necessary, but kudos to you! > > > > Anyway, FC6 defaults to ext2 filesystems and, if you used logical volumes, > > LVM1. A live CD of a more current system may not see your > > items because of that (FC8 and later went to ext3 and LVM2). > > > > If you have a CD of FC6, try booting that in rescue mode and see if it > > spots your FC6 installation. If it does, let it mount it (it'll be > > mounted at /mnt/sysimage). You can then "chroot /mnt/sysimage" and > > try to reinstall grub to your MBR at that point. Note that this will > > screw up your existing MBR, so back that up before doing this. To > > back up the MBR, put some removable, writable media in your machine > > somewhere and copy the first block of your boot drive to it using dd: > > > > dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/removable/media/mbr.bak bs=512 count=1 > > > > If you can't find appropriate bootable FC6 media, (rummaging through my > > stock of CDs and HD archives of ISO images), I have copies of every > > Fedora release. To be honest, several I only have DVD images of some > > of them, but I can make copies and shoot them to you as I did before. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - > > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > > - - > > - Trying to make digital files uncopyable is like trying to make - > > - water not wet. -- Bruce Schneier - > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Redhat-install-list mailing list > > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > > Subject: unsubscribe > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any chance that it is already loaded > and lurking, > but I just don't where to look (on the installed system)? > Thanks for any suggestions on this- Marshall Blann > > here is a link that may be what you want. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-configure-modem-to-connect-to-the-internet-using-a-ppp-dialup-account.html the program is called wvdial. I am assuming you need do use PPP via a dial up modem connection. hth -- Ted Potter tpotter at techmarin.com "the measure is effort." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ricks at nerd.com Fri Sep 17 19:39:06 2010 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:39:06 -0700 Subject: add a package F12 In-Reply-To: <3CC3B76912C04FE39DC5546FC1DEE742@homebf0fb2266c> References: <3CC3B76912C04FE39DC5546FC1DEE742@homebf0fb2266c> Message-ID: <4C93C3DA.5060007@nerd.com> On 09/16/2010 07:33 PM, blann wrote: > Dear List, > Forgive dumb request: On doing a F12 install, I thought that I had checked 'dial-up' > for internet. I do not however seem to find any software into which I might insert a phone# > for this. So the thought to use Yum or RPM to add from the installation DVD (and xmgrace > if it is available). One problem is, I don't know the actual name of the dial-up software. > Then how to use YUM to add an unknown? Any chance that it is already loaded and lurking, > but I just don't where to look (on the installed system)? > Thanks for any suggestions on this- Marshall Blann Most networking stuff is handled by NetworkManager. Go to System->Preferences->Network Connections and fill in the blanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - "And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcalhoun at blomand.net Fri Sep 17 23:36:29 2010 From: dcalhoun at blomand.net (Dennis Calhoun) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 18:36:29 -0500 Subject: add a package F12 In-Reply-To: <4C93C3DA.5060007@nerd.com> References: <3CC3B76912C04FE39DC5546FC1DEE742@homebf0fb2266c> <4C93C3DA.5060007@nerd.com> Message-ID: <001b01cb56c1$27293540$757b9fc0$@net> Rick, How is he supposed to do that when the operating system is not yet installed? Blann, Welcome to the completely illogical world of Linux. None of the naming conventions have any USER PERTINENT common sense logic at all. 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URL: From blann at gte.net Sat Sep 18 17:18:00 2010 From: blann at gte.net (blann) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:18:00 -1000 Subject: add a package F12 References: <3CC3B76912C04FE39DC5546FC1DEE742@homebf0fb2266c> <4C93C3DA.5060007@nerd.com> <001b01cb56c1$27293540$757b9fc0$@net> Message-ID: <57A259CB4E464192844FD631BD8247B1@homebf0fb2266c> Dennis, my poor communication:I installed the F12 OS without a hitch. On using it, I could not find what turns out is still the WVDIAL software on my other computer running FC6. I went thru a suggested system-preferences- add or delete software (if I recall sequence correctly) on my F12 system, and got a box. I entered wvdial in the 'find' line, and it brought up a description of wvdial software. Since there was no evidence of it on my desktop, nor could I bring it up when using email software and vlicking on 'send', I clicked on the install/remove option. I think it removed it, because thereafter if I typed 'wvdial' into the find box, it reported nothing found. I'll pursue further a web-link provided by Ted P. which gives instructions on wvdial install. As usual, the group has been very helpful, andI appreciate it. Sorry that I was unclear on install of OS. Marshall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Calhoun" To: "'Getting started with Red Hat Linux'" Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: RE: add a package F12 > Rick, > How is he supposed to do that when the operating system is not yet > installed? > > Blann, > Welcome to the completely illogical world of Linux. None of the naming > conventions have any USER PERTINENT common sense logic at all. > > Dennis ---> left Linsux long ago and doesn't care if he gets removed > herefrom. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > From tpotter at techmarin.com Sat Sep 18 19:49:50 2010 From: tpotter at techmarin.com (Ted Potter) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:49:50 -0700 Subject: add a package F12 In-Reply-To: <57A259CB4E464192844FD631BD8247B1@homebf0fb2266c> References: <3CC3B76912C04FE39DC5546FC1DEE742@homebf0fb2266c> <4C93C3DA.5060007@nerd.com> <001b01cb56c1$27293540$757b9fc0$@net> <57A259CB4E464192844FD631BD8247B1@homebf0fb2266c> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:18 AM, blann wrote: > Dennis, my poor communication:I installed the F12 OS without a hitch. On > using it, I could not find > what turns out is still the WVDIAL software on my other computer running > FC6. I went thru a suggested > system-preferences- add or delete software (if I recall sequence correctly) > on my F12 system, and got a box. > I entered wvdial in the 'find' line, and it brought up a description of > wvdial software. Since there was no evidence > of it on my desktop, nor could I bring it up when using email software and > vlicking on 'send', I clicked on the > install/remove option. I think it removed it, because thereafter if I typed > 'wvdial' into the find box, it reported > nothing found. I'll pursue further a web-link provided by Ted P. which > gives instructions on wvdial install. > > As usual, the group has been very helpful, andI appreciate it. Sorry that I > was unclear on install of OS. > > Marshall > Ah, shucks. From The Man Who Once Was Master of uucico ! (Hi Rick!) > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Calhoun" > To: "'Getting started with Red Hat Linux'" > > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:36 PM > Subject: RE: add a package F12 > > > > Rick, >> How is he supposed to do that when the operating system is not yet >> installed? >> >> Blann, >> Welcome to the completely illogical world of Linux. None of the naming >> conventions have any USER PERTINENT common sense logic at all. >> >> Dennis ---> left Linsux long ago and doesn't care if he gets removed >> herefrom. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Redhat-install-list mailing list >> Redhat-install-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list >> To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: >> redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com >> Subject: unsubscribe >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > -- Ted Potter tpotter at techmarin.com "the measure is effort." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bret_stern at machinemanagement.com Thu Sep 23 23:14:15 2010 From: bret_stern at machinemanagement.com (Bret Stern) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:14:15 -0700 Subject: ARP packets Message-ID: <1285283655.7592.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ladies and gentlemen, Playing with Wireshark and seeing "Gratuitous ARP for 63.209.4.211 (Request)" coming from my Fedora 12 ftp server. The ip address is a bit of a mystery since this is a fresh install, and I couldn't find any nic card setup in the bios which could contain this number. Must be in the server somewhere. Who's gonna solve this one? Where can I look? From ricks at nerd.com Fri Sep 24 00:50:08 2010 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:50:08 -0700 Subject: ARP packets In-Reply-To: <1285283655.7592.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1285283655.7592.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4C9BF5C0.5090304@nerd.com> On 09/23/2010 04:14 PM, Bret Stern wrote: > Ladies and gentlemen, > > > Playing with Wireshark and seeing > "Gratuitous ARP for 63.209.4.211 (Request)" > coming from my Fedora 12 ftp server. > > The ip address is a bit of a mystery since this is a fresh install, and > I couldn't find any nic card setup in the bios which could contain this > number. Must be in the server somewhere. > > Who's gonna solve this one? Where can I look? There are a couple possibilities. If a machine has two NICs on the same IP you'll get that message. The offender could be another physical NIC or an alias of another NIC (e.g. "eth0:0"). Another possibility is that you have a bond running (two NICs set up as either a failover pair or an aggregate). If the system fails over from one NIC to the other one (or if it switches when load sharing), an ARP may be sent--depending on the bond type. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - "Microsoft is a cross between The Borg and the Ferengi. - - Unfortunately they use Borg to do their marketing and Ferengi to - - do their programming." -- Simon Slavin - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From redhat at billoblog.com Fri Sep 24 17:59:23 2010 From: redhat at billoblog.com (redhat at billoblog.com) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ARP packets In-Reply-To: <4C9BF5C0.5090304@nerd.com> References: <1285283655.7592.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4C9BF5C0.5090304@nerd.com> Message-ID: Just out of curiosity, would this happen if you changed MAC addresses on your box and the arp cache had the old MAC address? I run a script that changes my MAC address on every boot up and every six hours when up, for instance. billo On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 09/23/2010 04:14 PM, Bret Stern wrote: >> Ladies and gentlemen, >> >> >> Playing with Wireshark and seeing >> "Gratuitous ARP for 63.209.4.211 (Request)" >> coming from my Fedora 12 ftp server. >> >> The ip address is a bit of a mystery since this is a fresh install, and >> I couldn't find any nic card setup in the bios which could contain this >> number. Must be in the server somewhere. >> >> Who's gonna solve this one? Where can I look? > > There are a couple possibilities. If a machine has two NICs on the > same IP you'll get that message. The offender could be another physical NIC > or an alias of another NIC (e.g. "eth0:0"). > > Another possibility is that you have a bond running (two NICs set up as > either a failover pair or an aggregate). If the system fails over from > one NIC to the other one (or if it switches when load sharing), an ARP > may be sent--depending on the bond type. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - > - - > - "Microsoft is a cross between The Borg and the Ferengi. - > - Unfortunately they use Borg to do their marketing and Ferengi to - > - do their programming." -- Simon Slavin - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request at redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe > From bret_stern at machinemanagement.com Fri Sep 24 23:01:23 2010 From: bret_stern at machinemanagement.com (Bret Stern) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:01:23 -0800 Subject: ARP packets Message-ID: <201009242201.o8OM1N6R007378@machinemanagement.com> Mostly I was curious about the specific IP number 63.209.4.211, and why/how it is interested in that specific Level3 hosted IP number. There are no boot configurations for the dual onboard NICs on this SuperMicro server, so it must be something in Fedora that is querying for this IP. I'll check the network config files and see what I can find out. B ----- Original Message ----- On 10:59 AM 09/24/2010 redhat at billoblog.com wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, would this happen if you changed MAC addresses on > your box and the arp cache had the old MAC address? I run a script that > changes my MAC address on every boot up and every six hours when up, for > instance. > > > billo > > On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Rick Stevens wrote: > > > On 09/23/2010 04:14 PM, Bret Stern wrote: > >> Ladies and gentlemen, > >> > >> > >> Playing with Wireshark and seeing > >> "Gratuitous ARP for 63.209.4.211 (Request)" > >> coming from my Fedora 12 ftp server. > >> > >> The ip address is a bit of a mystery since this is a fresh install, > and > >> I couldn't find any nic card setup in the bios which could contain > this > >> number. Must be in the server somewhere. > >> > >> Who's gonna solve this one? Where can I look? > > > > There are a couple possibilities. If a machine has two NICs on the > > same IP you'll get that message. The offender could be another > physical NIC > > or an alias of another NIC (e.g. "eth0:0"). > > > > Another possibility is that you have a bond running (two NICs set up > as > > either a failover pair or an aggregate). 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URL: From ricks at nerd.com Tue Sep 28 17:20:48 2010 From: ricks at nerd.com (Rick Stevens) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0700 Subject: problem with cluster.conf In-Reply-To: <137004D779B4364FB4980E12819F11E902CDD3CA@srv_citterio.citterio.local> References: <137004D779B4364FB4980E12819F11E902CDD3CA@srv_citterio.citterio.local> Message-ID: <4CA223F0.9070309@nerd.com> On 09/28/2010 05:00 AM, Bertei Massimiliano wrote: > Hi! > > I had install redhat 5.2 in a cluster configuration (2 redhat server) > and I used this in cluster.conf this: > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > And it works very well!!!! > > But now I replace the same server configuration (hw) but I use redhat > 5.5 and when I used the configuration part that you see up, > This return an error because I can't use "interface="eth2" " and into > the GUI configuration I can't find multicast interface. > > Do you know if is only a my proble or the different version of red hat > change the metod of cluster? I haven't run Red Hat's Cluster Suite in a long time. I've used GFS and several other bits, but from the svn repos, not the pre-packaged items. Yes, there have been changes over time, but I don't think it's related to the Linux version--the changes have been in the Cluster Suite packages. As to a possible gotcha with an upgrade in RHEL itself, different versions of the kernel may enumerate the buses differently. For example, under kernel "X", the system may find your built-in NICs first, then scan the PCI bus while kernel "Y" may scan the PCI bus first. First, run "ifconfig -a" and verify that all of your NICS are being seen and what they've been named as. My guess is what WAS eth2 is now eth1 or something. Also check the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethx files. The system will generally try to match the MAC address of a physical NIC with one of those files which contains a matching "HWADDR" value and set the name of the NIC to what the "DEVICE" value in the file is. Notice I said "generally". Sometimes these entries just get ignored. Not often, but sometimes. If you're not sure which NIC is what as far as the connections are concerned, you can use "ethtool -p ethX". That should cause the link LED on the NIC to flash on and off about once a second so you can identify which NIC is which. Exit the ethtool program with CTRL-C. Once you've identified which NIC is which, you can adjust your config file accordingly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks at nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - UNIX is actually quite user friendly. The problem is that it's - - just very picky of who its friends are! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------