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Re: RHEL 4 Update Procedure



I think that your account manager (hardware or RedHat) should be your first point of contact. If you don't have one, and you are running mission critical servers (I have no idea what size of organization you work for) then contact the vendor directly.

Where I work, we do the test and provide the assurance . Our mission critical servers are file-web (SAMBA-APACHE servers) and RDBMS servers (Postgres, MySQL). So, we have set to the side an identical (excluding amount of RAM and number of disks) hardware config, which is used especially for this particular purpose. Having a scaled down replica of the mission critical boxes for the purposes of trying to see if an update breaks something is worth the extra money when compared to the downtime we could have. In the days of virtualization, this becomes easier and cheaper, so you should really investigate why you should not have a "play and break" platform for your mission critical stuff. If your managers start dismissing the idea in terms of cost (hardware and manhours dedicated to the task), remind them what could they loose if they loose everything or something works in degraded mode. If that represents an amount of money larger than the cost of running this test/assurance platform, they have no case.

As for the vendor testing, RedHat does perform in my experience fairly conservative and careful testing. But in order to break something, you do need really need to change ABI/API. A device driver or a change of kernel parameters can really have an impact on your mission critical app. I remember the SCSI affinity patches of the RHEL 3.0 series and how they affected read performance, making standard Dell kit (PERC U320 controllers) run soooo slowly for some workloads. For a while, the vendor was arguing that the settings were good for some workloads and at the end they removed them I think. My point. Yes, you could tune, yes, they might fix it, but if you have a mission critical app and you roll the patch, only to find your Oracle running in dog mode thirty minutes later, by the time you scratch your head enough to connect it with the update, you lost revenue and uptime which would be avoided if you had a test platform.

The best assurance is your own testing. Only my honest opinion.

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George B. Magklaras

Senior Computer Systems Engineer/UNIX Systems Administrator
The Biotechnology Centre of Oslo,
University of Oslo
http://www.biotek.uio.no/

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AB wrote:
Hello all,

We run several mission critical RHEL 4 AS servers and we are currently having a
bit of an internal debate regarding the installation of official RedHat updates.

Several of my colleagues think that installing the RedHat updates is too
dangerous because it could potentially break another package and/or another
piece of our or a third party's software.

These are my arguing points as to why we should apply the updates. Please
correct me if I have misunderstood any of the points I make, and feel free to
add more to the list (the more the better): -
.	All RHEL updates are exhaustively tested by RedHat to make sure they
will not break other official components of the OS.
.	RHEL updates are only ever bugfix / security updates. An API/ABI will
never be changed as part of an update. If one of our programs was compiled
against a library which later got updated, the program would not be negatively
affected by the update.
.	RHEL updates are tested against most of the large certified applications
(such as Oracle etc.) before release.
.	RedHat don't release updates just for the fun of it, they release them
to fix new security holes to prevent our systems been broken into, and to fix
known critical bugs to keep our systems stable and our data intact.

On a slightly different note, does anyone know of a certification framework we
could develop our applications to, to provide the best possible compatibility
with the underlying RHEL OS?

What do most other organisations in our position do? I'd be especially
interested to hear from other companies using RHEL 4 AS who must provide 24/7
availability, and what RedHat's official line on the matter is.


Regards,
Adam




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