RHCE and other certs?

[katsumi liquer]

To Evan,

I was in a very similar position to you as I graduated with a CS
degree in 2003 and had a similar time of taking admin and dev jobs
while I was completing my degree. For whatever it is worth, I don't
have any certifications yet.

I have found that what I learned from CS has been in fact very useful,
more than I ever imagined it would be at the time, if for nothing else
than that it helps to understand the nature of problems when you run
in to them, and also about how systems and software are actually
operating. The issues of bytecode, and kernel scheduling, bandwidth
and protocols, etc, for example were somewhat vague to me before
school.

Apart from that, the second most useful thing has simply been
patience, diligence and self resourcefulness. I have seen many people
go AWOL in trouble situations and make things worse where slowing down
and taking a clear view of the situation can work miracles.

It has already been hinted at, but I question the value of
certifications in this day and age where implementation specific
changes happen fairly rapidly, and in order to stay current with your
certs you'd have to be studying at least as much as you are working.
Stay in the thick of it on your own, have a sandbox environment, keep
track of you work and stay calm. If you are in over your head, you may
need to find some help, but that can happen at any time no matter how
prepared you are -- but experience is a good teacher.

Ultimately I think it boils down to how confident you are in your
ability to find information on your own, and experiment. If you are
down with that, you can do anything -- good luck by the way :)

katsu



On 4/17/07, Terry Zink <tzink at logicworks.net> wrote:
> Man, the poor guy who originally posted this question is going to be too scared to ever post his resume.. ever.
>  :P
>
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> Terry Zink
> RHCE
> Logicworks
> ________________________________________
> From: redhat-list-bounces at redhat.com [redhat-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Angie Moore [diabeticithink at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:26 PM
> To: 'General Red Hat Linux discussion list'
> Subject: RE: RHCE and other certs?
>
> The REAL irony is that I've already seen his resume. ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: redhat-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-list-bounces at redhat.com]
> On Behalf Of Ray Van Dolson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:22 PM
> To: General Red Hat Linux discussion list
> Subject: Re: RHCE and other certs?
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 02:59:21PM -0400, Angie Moore wrote:
> > Sooner or later your resume is bound to come across my desk, and that
> > will be fun day...for me. With an attitude like that, your employers
> > will soon figure out a way to get rid of you. And when they do... See
> sentence one.
>
> The irony is that Mark has helped Angie before on this list. :D
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: redhat-list-bounces at redhat.com
> > [mailto:redhat-list-bounces at redhat.com]
> > On Behalf Of m.roth2006 at rcn.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:20 PM
> > To: General Red Hat Linux discussion list
> > Subject: RE: RHCE and other certs?
> >
> > >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:38:09 -0400
> > >From: "Angie Moore" <diabeticithink at yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > << Fine. I now know not to *EVER* apply for a position with Sterling
> > >Consulting >>
> > >
> > >I can tell you are a JOY for your employer. This is exactly why I
> > >dismiss and do not hire people with your type of attitude. Thanks for
> > >proving my point. I hear a hint of jealousy in your voice, and
> > >frankly, I wish you the best.
> >
> > All my employers have been quite pleased with my work over the years,
> > and that includes companies like Ameritech, AT&T, Lowes', as well as
> > smaller companies.
> >
> > "Jealousy"? Perhaps you'd like to think it was that, since you don't
> > want to deal with anger at someone who certainly appears arrogant, if
> > not incompetant.
> >
> > The anger is from your attitude problem, which kept not only myself,
> > but many others, including other very well qualified folks I know who
> > had degrees and experience from getting jobs. How many of your folks are
> H1-B's?
> > How many jobs have you taken from folks here?
> >
> > At this point, I'll stop. One of the other posters is correct - this
> > isn't the place for flame wars. You want to argue (or should I say
> > continue to prove your arrogance and lack of understanding, feel free
> > to email me at <m.roth2006 at rcn.com>.
> >
> >     mark
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