RHCE and other certs?

[Angie Moore]

WOW, that was the most negative and downright untrue assessment I have ever
had the displeasure of reading. 

DO NOT LISTEN TO THAT GARBAGE THAT "Dave" WROTE.

1.) GET CERTS. Yes, they pay off, handsomely. I ONLY hire people with
certifications. Microsoft, Red Hat, Cisco, doesn't matter. They not only
show you know the basics, but they show the ability to learn, the "book
learning's" of a specific product and the tenacity to follow through.

2.) FORGET the CS bachelors degree, (unless you plan on working for the
government). I have had to let go all of my engineers who came in with CS
degrees. They did not have the knowledge in the area they applied for. The
CS degree gives you an OVERVIEW of various skills, but nothing in-depth.
It's sad really, but I've found it's true, (even though I have a CS degree
from GW).

3.) Problem solving. That's the key. Having the mental ability to problem
solve is the key to a successful tech career. ANYONE can setup an apache
server connecting to a backend MySql database. My baby sister (16 years old)
has not only done that, but she can do much, much more. Practice problem
solving in your area of discipline and you will ultimately be rewarded.

Angie Moore
President
Moore & Angle IT Consulting, Inc.
Sterling, VA
"We prepare you for the impossible"
 


-----Original Message-----
From: redhat-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:redhat-list-bounces at redhat.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Ihnat
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:44 AM
To: General Red Hat Linux discussion list
Subject: Re: RHCE and other certs?

On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:03:30PM -0700, Evan Klitzke wrote:
> <<Working on degree, asks about certs>>

In decreasing order of importance:

  1. Experience.  Real experience trumps all--but then, you somehow have
     to get the chance to get it.  However--self-taught *does* make
     a difference.  If you can point to a live, running website on a
     Linux server running Apache, PostgreSQL or MySQL, etc., it does
     show both knowledge and the ability to assimilate and apply knowledge.

  2. CS degree.  This trumps any cert, period.  I mean a real degree--one
     in which you are trained in data structures, algorithms, etc.; not
     just a Microsoft coding course.  You will have been exposed to a
     broader range of different disciplines than you'll generally be
     able to work in once you have to pay the rent, and experience has
     shown that it really, really makes a difference.

  3. Certs.  Only good ones--something that really required study and
     validation.  I've been working in the field for 30 years, and in
     general, in that time I've seen almost all certs--including that
     of "Professional Engineer" in Illinois--carried by worthless gits.
     The most worthless are vendor certs that are only designed to push
     their product.  Especially after the .bomb around 2000-2002, there
     was a glut of "certified" individuals (people who'd been laid off
     and couldn't find work, so filled their time taking certs in areas
     in which they had no other expertise.)

I would probably lend credence to, say, Cisco or RH certs.  Virtually none
to Microsoft.  Others range between those two extremes.

You didn't say what degree you're taking--but if it isn't CS, it isn't going
to matter nearly as much.  And if it is a vendor-oriented degree, ditto.  (I
don't CARE if you know VB.  I care that you understand concepts and problem
solving techniques based on underlying knowledge of basics.)

Cheers,
--
	Dave Ihnat
	President, DMINET Consulting, Inc.
	dihnat at dminet.com
	773/550.0929

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