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Re: RHCE certification



On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Paul Whitney <paul whitney mac com> wrote:

> Well they may not be all that, but it does have a lot more rigor than
> say an MCSE. I thought the RHCE exam was pretty tough because of the
> written and practicals portion. I have actually considered it just
> because of the practical side would tend to be more credible than just a
> cram jam.
>
> I am not a sysadmin and do not do this stuff everyday, but would still
> like the cred just because I do work on it from an integration
> perspective.
>
> P.
>
> On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 07:59 -0700, Troy wrote:
> > Any manager that doesn't know the difference between a good sysadmin
> > and one with a bunch of certificates, is a manager you don't want to
> > work for.
> >
> > Having said that, if they're paying for it, you might as well take it.
> > My manager wanted me to take it, and it was the most ridiculous thing
> > I've ever seen. Now, anyone who boasts about the fact that they are
> > RHCE certified, gets put into a very special category in my book.
> >
> >
> > On Aug 22, 2008, at 6:24 AM, hike wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:38 AM, mark <m roth2006 rcn com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Johan Booysen wrote:
> > >>> My employer wants me to look into gaining the RHCE certification.
> > >> <snip>
> > >> Only if your employer is paying. Otherwise, well, we've had
> > >> discussions
> > >> here
> > >> before, and it's not more important than actually knowing/learning
> > >> the job
> > >> on
> > >> your own (books/co-workers/google HOWTOs/etc).
> > >>
> > >>       mark
> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> > > MGRS are generally NOT technical.
> > > MGRS use certification, training classes as a way to judge their
> > > work-force.
> > >
> > > Certifications help MGRS within the business organization whether
> > > they are
> > > looking for status (I've got all RHCEs on my staff), or quick
> > > approval (all
> > > the engineers recommend), or avoiding nitpicking people (the RHCE
> > > all said
> > > this is the way to go).
> > >
> > > If you have certification, you help your MGR get her/his job
> > > accomplished!
> > >
> > > Certs may mean nothing to a sysadmin but certs are very important to
> > > your
> > > MGR.
> > > Don't you want to help your MGR accomplish his task, show support for
> > > her/him, etc.?
> > >
> > > Certs are a game that sysadmin canNOT afford to skip.
> > >
> > > On the plus side, certs will get you jobs and more money.
> > > My Solaris sysadmin Certification brings in at least $10K more a
> > > year.  At
> > > my site, I am the highest paid sysadmin because of my certs (a college
> > > degree puts me in the senior category; the certs make me the biggest
> > > earner).  The real UNIX guru, with 5-10 more years of experience and
> > > a much
> > > larger skill set, dreams of making what I make.   (I recommended him
> > > for my
> > > current position; my employer picked little, old, certified me.)
> > >
> > > Skipping certs is a fool's game!
> > >
> > >
> > > I paid for my own RHCT training--class, hotel, car, meals, and took
> > > a week
> > > without pay.  Passed the RHCT test.  Put in on my company's website
> > > form.
> > > Now I am recognized as certified.
> > >
> > > If you need a cert, get it; if you have to pay for it, get it.  It
> > > is your
> > > career not your MGR's or your employer's career.  Just like college,
> > > once
> > > you get your bachelor's, you don't have to get it again and it is a
> > > constatnt source of money.  (The $10K it cost me for college has
> > > provided
> > > $100Ks for me.  Currently, it pays about $10K per year that similarily
> > > skilled sysadmins without a backelor's don't get.)
> > >
> > > Being penny wise and pound foolish is also a fool's game!
> > >
> > > Fools give bad advice.
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Troy,

So why do believe that you should not help your MGR get the work done?

(That is why she/he hired you after all!)

So why do believe that you should not take responsibility for your own
career?

(Is a bad MGR the one you want making your career decisions!)


MGRS are not technical.  They listen to people based on a number of
factors.  Certs get you heard.

MGRS come and go.  I have been here 3 years and have had 3 MGRS.  You have
to talk in terms they understand.  As corporate drolls, they understand
certifications.

I am surprised that you work for a really big CERTIFICATION agency (.edu)
and have such an anti-educational/anti-certification.

Regardless of the differing opinions, I prefer to take control of my own
career.  MGRS don't always do this (though all MGRS should).  If the company
wouldn't pay for my cert classes, I will.  I paid $5K for my RHCT training
and certification and received a $8K raise 8 months later.  Thus far, the
$5K investment has garnered me $14.4K.  And they want me to stay--that's $8K
per year.  Do you really think I should walk away from $8K a years?

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